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00.00.32 #       <i-> petur: thanks ^^
00.00.40 #       <i-> I'll try with that
00.02.15 #       <preglow> anyway, i need to sleep
00.02.16 #       <preglow> later
00.02.17 #       <petur> imho: releasing a version that has shortcomings is bad for the reputation
00.02.37 #       <amiconn> Yes, but extending the freeze doesn't help either
00.02.49 #       <petur> no it isn't :/
00.02.49 #       <amiconn> We extended for 2 weeks, and not much has happened...
00.02.58 #       <amiconn> 4 weeks in total
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00.03.45 #       <petur> well Linus and lostlogic haven't had the time they need to get some stuff cleared up :(
00.05.26 #       <i-> bye ^^
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00.08.20 #       <petur> amiconn: does the ATA driver boost already?
00.08.34 #       <amiconn> Nope
00.09.04 #       <petur> hmmmm saving to disk needs boosting (20+ seconds now)
00.09.13 #       <amiconn> For recording?
00.09.16 #       <amiconn> ugh
00.09.25 #       <petur> yes, the unboosted recording
00.09.56 #       <amiconn> 1.5MB/sec
00.10.28 #       * amiconn wonders why coldfire ata is so sucking slow
00.10.55 #       <amiconn> Even archos ata is *way* faster - at 1/4 the cpu clock
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00.16.43 #       <petur> hahaha....
00.16.58 #       <petur> found the reason of my strange recording experience
00.17.25 #       <petur> the discman I'm using seems to have some memory thing to resume where you left off
00.17.51 #       <petur> no wonder I'm getting missing parts of songs...
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00.20.54 #       <petur> amiconn: unboosted recording seems ok, writing to disk could use some boosting. Will test more tomorrow
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00.43.36 #       <sharpe> anyone know offhand, the width of the default font characters?
00.43.47 #       <midkay> sysfixed? 6x8, iirc..
00.43.52 #       <midkay> yeah.
00.43.57 #       <sharpe> alright.
00.44.28 #       <sharpe> i'm playing around with the bootloader source.
00.45.31 #       <midkay> fascination has partially ensued.
00.45.57 #       <sharpe> i've achieved level 18 on the ritualist of mine.
00.46.40 #       <midkay> grats.
00.46.52 #       <sharpe> yep.
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00.52.00 #       <thearchive> i'm trying to install rockbox on my Ipod video and everything seemed to go okay with the install except when I boot I get "Rockbox error -5' lodiang original firmware
00.52.06 #       <Xinux> 7 to the right, 2 up, A Green Button;; 1122 Green 5;; Click Z on Bottle, Giant Chart, pick Blue 4
00.53.30 #       <obo> thearchive: -5 I think means the rockbox.ipod file is corrupt - try extracting the zip again
00.54.24 #       <thearchive> i jsut downlaoded the latest zip, moved it onto the ipod, used terminal to go to the directory, used the UNZIP rockbox.zip and it appeared fine. I will try again
00.57.49 #       <sharpe> hmmm... aren't the sleep functions available to the bootloader? i've just had an idea...
01.00.05 #       <thearchive> that worked
01.00.42 #       <thearchive> listeing to my first FLAC on my ipod
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01.14.11 #       <Mikachu> why would you have the url to an invite-only tracker in your quit message?
01.14.39 #       <qwm> midkay
01.14.55 #       <Xinux> computer suicide.
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01.26.39 #       <XavierGr> markun: what? Even iriver targets don't have a dsp? I really shouldn't talk for things I don't know. :) (But what's that thingie that we sent uncompressed PCM to output audio?)
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01.30.11 #       <Murmur2k> Anybody know if its possible to convert ALAC to FLAC?
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01.44.11 #       <Mikachu> Murmur2k: just decode to wav and encode, they're both lossless
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01.50.17 #       <Murmur2k> Thanks, its ok I found dBPoweramp converts maintaining tags etc
01.53.38 #       <Antioch> Murmur2k or you can try this http://craz.net/programs/itunes/alac.html
02.11.26 #       <Murmur2k> Thanks
02.11.43 #       <Murmur2k> Which is a better format ALAC or FLAC?
02.11.44 #       <qwm> <ooze> take a hot swedish chick from behind, bend over to her ear. and whisper "i have aids", then try to keep your penis inside of her.
02.11.47 #       <qwm> <ooze> thats swedish rodeo.
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02.51.38 #       <sharpe> lets see...
02.52.40 #       <sharpe> they said 'fag' on nickelodeon!!
02.53.17 #       <sharpe> those two sentences didn't go together...
02.53.25 #       <midkay> haha. what?!
02.53.27 #       <midkay> WHAT?! go on.
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02.54.22 #       <sharpe> eh, the button functions in the ipod bootloader only seem to work for, one button press... :)
02.54.33 #       <Scorpius> H120 for you all!
02.54.44 #       <Scorpius> this network (freenode) seems interesting.
02.56.15 #       <Mikachu> sharpe: it samples the button state at one point in time
02.57.04 #       <sharpe> key_pressed(), or opto_keypad_read()?
03.01.55 #       <XavierGr> 'fag' on nickelodeon, really?
03.02.55 #       <Xinux> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/handeye.php
03.02.58 #       <Mikachu> sharpe: the bootloader doesn't have interrupts enabled and all that, so supporting button presses is fickle
03.03.01 #       <Xinux> take the hand eye coordination test
03.03.38 #       <Mikachu> Xinux: that's not one of those where it shows a picture of dead goats after 10 seconds with a loud noise is it?
03.03.45 #       <Xinux> no
03.03.52 #       <Xinux> dead goats ftw ?
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03.04.41 #       <XavierGr> HAHAH ROFLMAO
03.04.46 #       <Xinux> lmao
03.04.51 #       <Xinux> did you do it xavier ?
03.04.59 #       <XavierGr> good thing that id didn't had my headphone on
03.05.00 #       <XavierGr> yup
03.05.02 #       <Mikachu> i guess there are some unexpected side effects after all
03.05.10 #       <Xinux> it scared the shit out of me
03.05.11 #       <Xinux> O.O
03.05.18 #       <Mikachu> you are what's wrong with the internet
03.05.37 #       <XavierGr> it would scare me too, if I had the headphones on... :x
03.05.55 #       <XavierGr> there was another cool one like this
03.06.12 #       <Mikachu> see, i even asked you about it and you lied to me
03.06.13 #       <XavierGr> I made a friend of mine play it, it was so hilarious, he was so scared XD
03.07.09 #       <XavierGr> I want to donwload this....
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03.11.02 #       <JdGordon> has any1 done the internal usb-otg mod to a us h300?
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03.12.34 #       <Xinux> Mikachu: you asked if there were "dead goats with loud noises"
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03.13.17 #       <Mikachu> "one of those"...
03.13.38 #       <Mikachu> at any rate, it's not funny and not in this channel
03.14.32 #       <Xinux> its meant to be amusing
03.14.49 #       <XavierGr> Mikachu: come on it was a little bit amusing :p
03.16.31 #       <Xinux> jesus christ!
03.16.37 #       <Mikachu> dunno, i didn't look at it
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03.46.25 #       <webguest51> so why can't i join any other channels from here, btw?
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03.50.56 #       <Mikachu> precaution
03.51.13 #       <webguest51> ?
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03.51.24 #       <Falco98> Paul_The_Nerd: like the new forum...
03.51.26 #       <midkay> if you're doing any more than asking very simple quick one-time questions, you should probably get a real irc client..
03.51.43 #       <Mikachu> Falco98: against abuse
03.51.51 #       <Falco98> ah
03.51.58 #       <Falco98> as in, i was on an unregistered nick?
03.52.06 #       <Falco98> or because my lazy butt still uses the web client?
03.52.10 #       <sharpe> second one
03.52.16 #       <Mikachu> web irc clients never let you join any but a predefined set
03.52.18 #       <Mikachu> of channels
03.52.22 #       <Falco98> aw.
03.52.25 #       <Falco98> sux04
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03.53.06 #       <Falco98> the ironic thing is, i've been an on-and-off mIRC user for more than 8 years, but can't bring myself to fire it up and mess with it :-P
03.53.14 #       <Falco98> maybe i'll check out chatZilla
03.53.32 #       <Xinux> n64 emulator for rockbox
03.53.39 #       <sharpe> what about it?
03.53.39 #       <Falco98> lol
03.53.50 #       <JdGordon> any1 taking bets on weather rb is released today? (toorow for some of u) ?
03.53.50 #       <Xinux> lmao, just dreaming about it
03.54.05 #       <Falco98> hehe
03.54.10 #       <JdGordon> Xinux: ive got a PS3 emulator almost finished
03.54.15 #       <Falco98> how much of the "critical to-do" did they get done?
03.54.17 #       <sharpe> three keys away from the c64 emulator i had worked on.
03.54.18 #       <Xinux> O.o
03.54.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Falco98: Well with the number of iPod users, it was just more convenient to stuff them into boxes so I don't have to ask "So, which iPod do you have" first for every support request. :-P
03.54.30 #       <sharpe> Qwerty keyboard layouts, anyway.
03.54.49 #       <Falco98> Paul_The_Nerd: actually i meant the "new ports" area, since i was griping about it in that one thread last week...
03.54.57 #       <sharpe> Paul_The_Nerd: why am i a Rockbox Expert? :)
03.55.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sharpe: Honestly, because you were in the channel when I was creating the group, and I needed someone for it, and knew that even though you don't actually _post_ (or didn't until I made you one) you'd probably qualify as one if you did.
03.55.57 #       <sharpe> score me! heh...
03.56.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Falco98: Ah yes. That seemed like a very important thing to do, so people don't keep asking for the same new port over and over, and not realizing there are other people interested in it.
03.56.35 #       <Xinux> damnit im so fuckin bored
03.56.54 #       <newbyx86> Neat.
03.56.55 #       <newbyx86> "data abort"
03.56.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ooooh
03.57.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Under what conditions?
03.57.03 #       <newbyx86> "at 00048580"
03.57.08 #       <newbyx86> I was listening to music. :(
03.57.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> With a 5G?
03.57.19 #       <newbyx86> iPod photo.
03.57.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 4G
03.57.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Gotcha
03.57.38 #       <newbyx86> I had to get out a little light to read it too. Hehe.
03.58.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's the other prominent but difficult to track down bug.
03.58.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You didn't happen to compile yourself did you?
03.58.36 #       <newbyx86> I did compile myself.
03.58.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Oooh
03.58.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Tell me you haven't already cleaned up the build directory?
03.58.51 #       <newbyx86> I don't think I have.
03.58.52 #       <newbyx86> I left it.
03.59.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay, there should be a... umm... something.map file in it. I honestly can't remember where.
03.59.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You can actually look up what that address corresponds to (or give it to me, and I can do it for you, if you're feeling lazy)
03.59.29 #       <newbyx86> There is a list of .map files.
03.59.36 #       <newbyx86> newby@impaler:~/space/iPodCrap/rockbox-devel/build$ find . -name *.map
03.59.36 #       <newbyx86> ./apps/rockbox.map
03.59.36 #       <newbyx86> ./apps/codecs/vorbis.map
03.59.36 #       <newbyx86> ./apps/codecs/mpa.map
03.59.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Just rockbox.map
03.59.42 #       <newbyx86> Mmk.
04.00.07 #       <newbyx86> E486: Pattern not found: 00048580
04.00.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah
04.00.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You're looking for the largest address that is less than or equal to that number
04.00.38 #       <newbyx86>                 0x000484b8                set_cpu_frequency
04.00.39 #       <newbyx86>  .text.system_init
04.00.39 #       <newbyx86>                 0x00048598       0x5c /home/jklinect/space/iPodCrap/rockbox-devel/build/librockbox.a(system.o)
04.00.43 #       <newbyx86> 00484b8
04.00.49 #       <newbyx86> set_cpu_frequency
04.00.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Gotcha
04.00.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: You around?
04.01.18 #       <newbyx86> I had to compile myself to disable automatic USB detection. :)
04.01.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Right. I should've remembered that
04.02.24 #       <JdGordon> can any1 tihnk of a button combo that i have missed in this list that is used in rockbox? button short press, long press, double press, more than 1 button press?
04.02.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> newbyx86: Well, that at least confirms where the freeze is taking place, it seems.
04.03.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> JdGordon: Short then long?
04.03.27 #       <JdGordon> any others?
04.03.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Dunno
04.03.37 #       <newbyx86> Paul_The_Nerd, glad to hear I could help out somewhat. :p
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04.05.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> newbyx86: It's a common bug (random freezes in music playback on 4th gen iPods, as well as apparently 1st gen Minis) but it's another one of those "little luck actually pinning it down" bugs
04.06.04 #       <newbyx86> Ahh.
04.06.28 #       <newbyx86> I have a 1st gen mini too. :P
04.06.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> heh
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04.14.35 #       <zivan56> has anyone here messed around with the PortalPlayer PP5024 SoC?
04.17.56 #       <zivan56> would like to get the sansa e2xx running with this, as its quite similar to the iPod mini 2g...
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04.53.07 #       <JdGordon> button on in the sim is + isnt it?>
04.54.36 #       <sharpe> which button?
04.54.41 #       <JdGordon> on
04.54.43 #       <JdGordon> play
04.54.49 #       <sharpe> i think so
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04.55.25 #       <Xinux> wtf! theres a sub in my program1
04.55.32 #       <Xinux> better eat it!
04.56.35 #       <newbyx86> lol
04.57.44 #       <sharpe> subs are good
04.57.55 #       <Xinux> especially in programs
04.57.58 #       <newbyx86> ints are better
04.58.00 #       <newbyx86> they're like ants.
04.58.01 #       <newbyx86> but not.
04.58.06 #       <Xinux> intelligence
04.58.06 #       <Xinux> lmao
04.58.14 #       <newbyx86> public int should be 0.
04.58.14 #       <newbyx86> :(
04.58.21 #       <Xinux> cout!
04.58.25 #       <newbyx86> cin
04.58.27 #       <newbyx86> omg don't cin
04.58.33 #       <Xinux> ='(
04.58.34 #       <newbyx86> cinning is against my religion
04.58.43 #       <newbyx86> cerrrr
04.58.46 #       <newbyx86> kinda like "durrrr" but not.
05.00.02 #       <Xinux> newbyx86: you program C++ correct ?
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05.00.45 #       <Red-Sox> hi
05.00.57 #       <Red-Sox> does rockbox have video?
05.00.59 #       <sharpe> Hi! Hello! How are You?!
05.01.01 #       <sharpe> no!
05.01.06 #       <Red-Sox> ah
05.01.09 #       <sharpe> yep.
05.01.26 #       <Red-Sox> So, what does it do better?
05.01.31 #       <Xinux> i want an official release of podzilla to come out
05.01.37 #       <sharpe> supported audio formats.
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05.01.45 #       <sharpe> plugins, etc...
05.02.10 #       <sharpe> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
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05.02.39 #       <Red-Sox> Dang i need video on my photo
05.02.58 #       <Red-Sox> WAIT
05.03.05 #       <Red-Sox> does it make it work with WMP11?
05.04.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It turns it into a USM Mass Storage-compatible player, with a much larger format support.
05.04.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> USB, not USM
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05.08.57 #       <newbyx86> Xinux, I prefer C. Why?
05.09.29 #       <Xinux> whats a good compiler/editor
05.09.35 #       <Xinux> for c++
05.09.52 #       <JdGordon> g++ and vim :p
05.13.50 #       <Scorpius> I haven't checked all the options but do Rockbox have a way to move/copy files?
05.13.58 #       <Scorpius> 'cos I have a "playlists" subfolder
05.14.05 #       <Scorpius> but when I create a new playlists it creates it on the root
05.14.17 #       <JdGordon> yes, u can copy/cut styuff around
05.14.19 #       <Scorpius> so then I have to plug the mp3 player to move all the playlists to my "playlists" folder
05.14.29 #       <Scorpius> oh really? I could RTFM but the link is down.
05.14.40 #       <JdGordon> what player?
05.14.47 #       <Scorpius> iRiver H120
05.14.56 #       <newbyx86> g++ :)
05.14.59 #       <newbyx86> and vim
05.14.59 #       <newbyx86> wow
05.15.01 #       <newbyx86> JdGordon = genius
05.15.02 #       <JdGordon> ok, hold down the middle button and go copy then paste
05.15.02 #       <newbyx86> ;)
05.15.15 #       <Scorpius> let's see
05.15.33 #       <Scorpius> amazing
05.15.51 #       <Scorpius> it seems you thought about everything
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05.25.56 #       <midkay> hey, Paul_The_Nerd?
05.26.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes?
05.26.21 #       <midkay> as an admin on the forums, do you have the ability to change account usernames?
05.26.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I do not know.
05.26.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I would imagine I can
05.26.49 #       <midkay> could you check?
05.26.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, I can
05.27.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I can change the display name (so the login name is the same) or change the username (which will reset your password, and mail it to you)
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05.28.08 #       <midkay> hm.
05.28.16 #       <midkay> could you change my username to 'midkay'?
05.29.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay, done
05.29.22 #       <BHSPitLappy> any news on the freeze?
05.30.30 #       <midkay> tomorrow is the absolute deadline, last i heard..
05.31.37 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, perfect.. thanks a lot. :)
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05.49.36 #       <BHSPitLappy> umm, bless you?
05.50.01 #       <Xinux> eh
05.50.16 #       <Xinux> i compile my program, and it just shuts off as soon as i run it
05.50.36 #       <BHSPitLappy> oh
05.50.38 #       <BHSPitLappy> yeah, bless you.
05.50.50 #       <Xinux> -_-
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06.13.14 #       <qwm> Bagder
06.13.17 #       <qwm> are you there?
06.13.26 #       <Xinux> this is annoying, whenever the program finishes its operation, it just closes
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07.32.08 #       <BHSPitLappy> ,
07.32.17 #       <BHSPitLappy> go back to your PSP.
07.35.18 #       <Scorpius> heh
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08.37.12 #       <JdGordon> haha the birthdate on the forums doesnt work :D
08.37.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hm?
08.38.16 #       <JdGordon> doesnt let me put my correct dbay in
08.38.22 #       <JdGordon> bday*
08.38.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What is it doing wrong?
08.39.07 #       <JdGordon> i put in 1985-20-01 it changes it to 1986-08-01 !
08.39.18 #       <B4gder> 20-01 ?
08.39.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aaah
08.39.25 #       <B4gder> think iso date
08.39.43 #       <JdGordon> haha, brain no worky today
08.40.04 #       <JdGordon> i even looked to make sure it was mm-dd but filled int he wrong boxes :p
08.40.06 #       * JdGordon idiot
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08.40.45 #       <JdGordon> anywho.... rb 0.3 today?
08.41.27 #       <midkay> i think that was about four years ago.
08.41.40 #       <midkay> your head is indeed messed up datewise.
08.41.45 #       <JdGordon> my brain really is in reverse today sint it?
08.41.47 #       <JdGordon> 3.0
08.41.49 #       <JdGordon> fark
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08.49.00 #       <amiconn> The very first rockbox release was called 1.0
08.49.13 #       <midkay> amiconn, unfortunately for me :)
08.50.41 #       * midkay is attempting a new credits roll
08.53.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What will be different about it?
08.53.33 #       <amiconn> But 1.0 was indeed ~4 years ago
08.53.59 #       <amiconn> If we still do not release today, perhaps the 4th anniversary of 1.0 would be a nice date to release 3.0
08.54.22 #       <amiconn> That would be June 2nd - Friday
08.54.26 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, i based it on the clock credits roll.. instead of the text sliding up like a movie, individual lines fly in from the left until the LCD is filled, and then each one flies out to the right until the LCD is empty. that's how it works now anyways.
08.54.35 #       <midkay> amiconn, hey, pretty cool..
08.54.42 #       <midkay> might be worth the couple-day wait..
08.54.53 #       <B4gd3r> amiconn: sounds like a plan!
08.54.59 #       <midkay> also considering this is the biggest rockbox milestone since 1.0 :)
08.55.09 #       <midkay> new targets, swcodec, the works..
08.55.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What was it that rolled over from 1.x to 2.0?
08.55.40 #       <midkay> recording is the only major feature i can think of..
08.56.00 #       <amiconn> Nothing very special afaik - but then 2.0 was the first rockbox version I ever used
08.56.03 #       <midkay> i think 2.0->2.1 should have been the 2.0 rollover (e.g. 1.5 -> 2.0) - but the plugin loader wasn't anticipated..
08.56.21 #       <midkay> oh, and 2.1 also marked "rockbox in flash" on archos.
08.56.48 #       * B4gd3r remembers lots of harsh words on the rockbox 1.0 release on slashdot
08.57.50 #       <markun> XavierGr: it's called DAC :)
08.58.18 #       <midkay> wow.
08.58.31 #       <midkay> this is looking pretty cool if i may say so myself. :)
08.58.38 #       <midkay> now new lines fly in in place of the old ones..
08.59.48 #       <B4gd3r> sounds like a neat way
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09.00.31 #       <midkay> B4gd3r, didn't you write the current sine-scroll mabobby thing?
09.00.37 #       <B4gd3r> I did
09.01.10 #       <amiconn> midkay: I hope that it works correctly wrt utf-8, that it will be readable on the H1x0 display (text needs to stop shortly because the LCD is teh slowness), and that you didn't forget the player (or kept the old scroller for it)
09.01.31 #       <midkay> amiconn, this is even better for H1x0 because the lines completely stop for .. several seconds..
09.01.38 #       <midkay> and i didn't touch the player scroller, either.
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09.02.18 #       <amiconn> Well, the lines could fly in on the player as well, but that's probably not a good idea because most names don't fit on a line,
09.02.29 #       <amiconn> so they wouldn't be readable when the stop
09.02.36 #       <midkay> amiconn, in fact a name should stay on the lcd for.. depends on the user's font.. but a reasonable one e.g. 10-12px high.. probably 4-7 seconds..
09.02.51 #       <amiconn> aha
09.02.56 #       <B4gder> on the recorder too?
09.03.03 #       <B4gder> sounds awfully slow
09.03.12 #       <B4gder> we're reaching 200 names
09.03.14 #       <midkay> B4gder, but since all the lines are filled..
09.03.14 #       * amiconn would need to see & test it
09.03.18 #       <midkay> that's like 7 seconds per screenful..
09.03.25 #       <midkay> recorders are smaller, so they move quicker..
09.03.31 #       <midkay> i have yet to test it on recorder, true.
09.03.45 #       <midkay> not quite sure how it will work, i'll check it out and find a solution if it doesn't.. or not commit it. :)
09.03.53 #       <B4gder> :-)
09.03.57 #       * amiconn has 8 lines of text on recorder & ondio, except with his in-car font selection
09.04.07 #       <midkay> same..
09.04.24 #       <B4gder> and the problem with names that don't fit occur on archos lcds too
09.04.30 #       <B4gder> I mean bitmap lcds
09.04.40 #       <midkay> yeah, that's.. dunno..
09.04.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> How does the current scrolling handle names that don't fit?
09.05.03 #       <midkay> it doesn't..
09.05.05 #       <midkay> they're just cut off.
09.05.05 #       <B4gder> Paul_The_Nerd: it just shows the leftmost part
09.05.10 #       * amiconn wonders whether we should write the names in their native script, i.e. russian names in cyrillic etc
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09.05.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, really, it doesn't introduce a new problem, it just preserves an existing one?
09.05.22 #       <B4gder> yeps
09.05.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay
09.05.27 #       <midkay> right, and i can't think of a good workaround for it.. hmm..
09.05.40 #       <amiconn> Probably not very feasible
09.05.51 #       <midkay> possibly but painfully, the names that are >LCD_WIDTH could fly in to the right edge..
09.05.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Automatically split long names at word breaks, to take multiple lines?
09.06.11 #       <midkay> when all of them are finished flying in, the >LCD_WIDTH ones could slide over (scroll left) until the left part shows up..
09.06.17 #       <midkay> and then flying out could continue.
09.06.24 #       <amiconn> midkay: Do the names fly out to the opposite side from where they came?
09.06.30 #       <midkay> amiconn, yeah.
09.06.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or just tell devs they need shorter names.
09.06.36 #       <midkay> haha.
09.06.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "I'm sorry, your name is statistically likely to not fit on most font sizes, we're unable to accept your code."
09.07.13 #       <B4gder> btw, I'll reply to the SanDisk guy's email
09.07.21 #       <amiconn> goodie
09.07.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> SanDisk email?
09.07.43 #       <midkay> abbreviate!
09.08.07 #       <B4gder> Paul_The_Nerd: "We are contacting you regarding our interest in your great work at Rockbox.com."
09.08.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Iiinteresting.
09.08.27 #       <midkay> what? where? :o
09.08.49 #       <B4gder> "We wanted to see if your community/team would be interested in creating alternative firmware for the Sansa e200 model?"
09.08.59 #       <B4gder> midkay: the committers list
09.09.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I have to wonder, if a manufacturer includes Rockbox on a new player, do you think they'll support Rockbox, or offload that onto you guys?
09.09.13 #       <HCl> offload.
09.09.16 #       <midkay> i'm not subscribed. :(
09.09.18 #       <HCl> maybe support a stable version
09.09.40 #       <midkay> interesting idea though.
09.09.49 #       * petur wonders if Paul_The_Nerd could subscribe the committers ml
09.10.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I didn't know there was a committers ml.
09.10.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But since I'm not a committer :-P
09.11.42 #       <muesli|delhi> sorry for that certainly annoyinh question...but will be v3 released soon *duck*
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09.13.37 #       <midkay> i think it's june second now, right?
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09.13.45 #       <midkay> to celebrate the fourth anniversary of 1.0
09.14.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well there's many hours to decide if we should make it a wee bit more momentous
09.14.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think since it's the advent of an entirely new era of Rockbox (sorta: software codec support) that may be a good idea.
09.14.58 #       <markun> petur: about your commit of the italian lang file: any idea why he changed all the accented chars to ASCII?
09.15.11 #       <midkay> yeah.
09.15.19 #       <midkay> few days' delay.. big deal. :)
09.15.36 #       <petur> no idea... I don't know Italian language and I just trusted him
09.16.09 #       <markun> I'm no italian (should have asked my girlfriend) but if he just does it because his favorit font doesn't support it I think the font should be fixed.
09.16.27 #       <amiconn> markun: Maybe he didn't know that he should use ut-8 now
09.16.28 #       <amiconn> ?
09.16.38 #       <amiconn> Blah, ignore me
09.16.52 #       * petur ignores amiconn :p
09.17.06 #       <markun> Maybe his editor doesn't use UTF-8 and he thought the chars were wrong
09.17.14 #       <markun> amiconn: no, you could be right
09.17.27 #       <petur> amiconn: saw why my recording missed part of the song yesterday?
09.17.29 #       * midkay is once again getting baffled by his own code. sigh.
09.17.47 #       <amiconn> petur: Yes.
09.18.27 #       * amiconn wonders why someone doesn't know the features of a device he owns.
09.18.28 #       <petur> amiconn: don't know if (and how) I should check how much headroom we have with unboosted recording
09.18.52 #       <petur> amiconn: it was a small switch located *below* the CD
09.18.54 #       <amiconn> Hmm. If you had an spdif source, you could try to record at 96kHz
09.19.08 #       * petur has h340
09.19.44 #       <amiconn> Hmm... if I find some time, I could do that... misusing the recorder as the really flexible spdif source it actually is :)
09.20.19 #       <amiconn> While the MAS is only specified up to 48kHz, it happily generates a  96kHz spdif signal when setting pitch to 200%
09.20.31 #       <amiconn> (and playing an 48kHz mp3 of course)
09.20.49 #       <amiconn> Should even work with a .wav and the wavplay plugin
09.21.00 #       <amiconn> Nah, forget it
09.21.15 #       <amiconn> We wouldn't be able to deliver the data fast enough to the MAS
09.22.19 #       * amiconn knows what to do
09.23.06 #       <amiconn> Rip a CD track, convert it to 96kHz wav but mark the file 48kHz, then encode with 320kbps. Should sound correct when played at 200% pitch
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09.30.33 #       <markun> morning LinusN
09.31.39 #       <LinusN> moo
09.33.47 #       <mikearthur> rning
09.34.06 #       * midkay is becoming more and more baffled and annoyed
09.34.08 #       <LinusN> :-)
09.34.20 #       <midkay> no matter what i do to this code, the bug remains.. not a thing changes.. *quad-checks directories etc*
09.34.34 #       <mikearthur> midkay: try rebuffing the defibulator matrix
09.34.49 #       <midkay> i did. twice. :(
09.34.51 #       <mikearthur> or cache the weasel function
09.34.57 #       <midkay> ah, good idea.
09.35.00 #       <midkay> WAIT.
09.35.01 #       <midkay> WAIT.
09.35.09 #       <midkay> _YES_.
09.35.18 #       <mikearthur> knew it'd be the weasel function
09.35.36 #       <mikearthur> its an age old story
09.35.39 #       <midkay> YES. that did it. progress at last.
09.35.44 #       <mikearthur> man finds bug
09.35.48 #       <mikearthur> man fails to fix bug
09.35.48 #       <midkay> thank you, mikearthur!!
09.35.50 #       <midkay> haha.
09.35.54 #       <mikearthur> man caches weasel function
09.35.56 #       <mikearthur> man is happy
09.37.04 #       <midkay> mwahahaha..
09.37.06 #       <midkay> another bug quashed.
09.40.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> By the way, the Anniversary vs. Today question should probably be discussed and decided upon very soon, I'd guess.
09.41.02 #       <midkay> agreed..
09.42.42 #       * midkay crosses fingers for this build of credits.rock to be bugfree
09.43.12 #       <JdGordon> if your fixing credits.rock can u make it keeps the backlight on or not quit on a button press..
09.43.26 #       <midkay> why not quit on a button press?
09.43.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> One or the other
09.43.35 #       <midkay> oh. right. misread.
09.43.41 #       <midkay> backlight on sounds like a good idea actually.
09.43.48 #       <midkay> i keep tapping my scroll wheel to see the LCD.
09.44.01 #       <JdGordon> ye, how am i supposed to show off if my name is down the end and the backiight goes off??
09.44.10 #       <midkay> lovely. it works.
09.44.13 #       <midkay> JdGordon, hahaha.
09.44.16 #       <midkay> alright alright.
09.44.27 #       * midkay backlight_set_timeouts
09.44.42 #       <petur> JdGordon: and any key you press closes the credits :)
09.44.49 #       <JdGordon> yup
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09.46.34 #       <midkay> backlight 'fixed'.
09.47.07 #       * midkay goes to try it on archos with a nervous expression
09.50.03 #       <midkay> blast! settings reset for a new build..
09.50.07 #       <midkay> btw, i had an idea for this..
09.50.18 #       <amiconn> Don't forget to reset the backlight timeout, and to ifdef the backlight handling properly
09.50.30 #       <midkay> if the settings must be reset in case of a new api version or whatever, how about saving a config e.g. /.rockbox/autosave.cfg and then resetting?
09.50.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well ideally we'd just move to config files only.
09.50.51 #       <midkay> amiconn, i reset it properly - but what do you mean, ifdef it?
09.50.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Oh, that reminds me.
09.51.02 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, we can't 'yet' for some reason - but a quick workaround would be nice..
09.51.05 #       <JdGordon> ..or if it was reset.. and there is a /.rockbox/config.cfg file then load it automatically...
09.51.13 #       <midkay> this resetting business is bugging me a bit..
09.51.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> By the way, tagnavi.config should be like, named tagdefault.config and copied to tagnavi.config if one isn't present.
09.51.54 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, how about tagdefault.config is loaded if and only if tagnavi.config isn't present..
09.52.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Then people would just edit the tagdefault.config
09.52.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And then it'd get copied over when they put on a new build.
09.52.18 #       <midkay> then they're just idiots :)
09.52.22 #       <JdGordon> haha
09.52.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Just like tagnavi.config gets overwritten now
09.52.25 #       <midkay> ah, i see what you mean..
09.52.27 #       <midkay> right.
09.52.34 #       <midkay> well..
09.52.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The default/example file needs to be separate from the used file, I think
09.52.50 #       <midkay> maybe a comment in tagdefault.config saying "do not edit this or your changes will be lost - create a new file" etc.
09.53.16 #       <amiconn> midkay: Hmm, it seems you don't need to ifdef. Ondio has no backlight, but it seems the variables & functions associated with it are still there
09.53.27 #       <midkay> amiconn, ah, good to hear.
09.53.43 #       * midkay tests credits on archos
09.53.59 #       <midkay> ah..
09.54.07 #       <midkay> works, but. hm.
09.54.38 #       <amiconn> In fact that even makes some sense. Ondio *can* have a backlight. It's a mod, but one prepared by archos
09.54.51 #       <midkay> cool. :)
09.55.02 #       <amiconn> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndioBacklight
09.56.27 #       * amiconn will do this mod to an Ondio soon :)
09.57.20 #       <midkay> awesome. :)
09.57.28 #       <midkay> hm... *extends credit delay a bit*
09.57.40 #       * JdGordon just did the tagdefaults.config thingy
09.57.58 #       <JdGordon> 3 tiny changes to tagtree.c
09.58.16 #       <midkay> what is the functionality exactly?
09.58.49 #       <JdGordon> tries to load tagnavi.config, if it doesnt find it or cant load it it loads tagdefaults.config
09.59.01 #       <JdGordon> just need to rename tagnavi.config in the zip to tagdefaults
09.59.35 #       <midkay> i think that if a comment is added in tagdefaults, that's a fine method..
09.59.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Indeed
10.00.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "Rename this file to tagnavi.config, or it will be overwritten when you next update your rockbox build"
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10.00.39 #       <midkay> yeah. like that..
10.00.48 #       <daurn|laptop> :(
10.00.52 #       <daurn|laptop> its that midkay guy
10.01.00 #       <midkay> it's that daurn|laptop guy.
10.01.05 #       <daurn|laptop> no its not
10.01.07 #       <daurn|laptop> :S
10.01.10 #       <JdGordon> im assuming the file will take # for comment lines?
10.01.22 #       <midkay> daurn|laptop, shall i get out the screwdriver again, or..?
10.01.37 #       * daurn|laptop hears a hell baron
10.01.40 #       * daurn|laptop runs
10.01.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> JdGordon: No clue, honestly
10.02.04 #       <midkay> let's hope :)
10.02.11 #       <JdGordon> Slasheri: u around?
10.02.42 #       <JdGordon> im not sure it has support for comments..
10.02.57 #       <midkay> add support then!
10.03.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
10.03.04 #       <daurn|laptop> o fuck
10.03.09 #       * midkay has been working on this credits.c for too long
10.03.12 #       <daurn|laptop> i here a cyberdemon
10.03.19 #       <daurn|laptop> *hear
10.03.23 #       <daurn|laptop> fuck
10.03.31 #       * daurn|laptop heads for the hills
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10.04.08 #       <midkay> fortunately, it seems about done..
10.05.22 #       <JdGordon> well.. it doesnt like lines with #.. and i cant see any code looking for comments...
10.05.44 Nick    daurn|veryfarawa is now known as daurn|laptop (i=daurnscr@dsl-202-52-48-092.vic.veridas.net)
10.05.44 DBUG    Enqueued KICK daurn|laptop
10.05.44 ***     Alert Mode level 1
10.06.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah well.
10.06.39 #       <JdGordon> ... cheer up... hope isnt lost just yet...
10.06.54 #       <midkay> by god, it's JdGordon [potentially] to the rescue!
10.12.27 Ctcp    Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 1 minute and 59 seconds at the last flood
10.12.27 #       * JdGordon fixed it :D
10.13.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
10.13.19 #       * Paul_The_Nerd cheers
10.13.41 #       <JdGordon> # Rename this file to tagnavi.config BEFORE editing or you will lose your settings when you update rockbox
10.13.41 #       <JdGordon> ?
10.13.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Sounds good enough
10.14.19 #       <midkay> cool.
10.14.20 #       <midkay> :)
10.14.52 #       <midkay> if everyone's cool with that, you don't even need to submit a patch.. *shrugs* i can commit it, or whoever..
10.15.34 #       <JdGordon> ok, well is everyone happy with it?
10.15.45 ***     Alert Mode OFF
10.15.49 #       * midkay hopes to hear from some core devs..
10.16.24 #       <JdGordon> i dont know how to rename a file for the patch tho.. so u'll have to do that manually...
10.17.04 #       <JdGordon> no, i think i found it
10.17.16 #       <midkay> wtf. :(
10.17.30 #       <midkay> i just did a lot of credits.c cleanup since everything seems to be working alright+ready..
10.17.43 #       <midkay> tossed some unused variables, switched some to #defines, etc..
10.17.59 #       <midkay> expecting a nice drop in size, it ended up .03kb bigger.
10.18.12 #       <petur> heh
10.18.21 #       <JdGordon> oh noes... a whole 30bytes...
10.18.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Odd though
10.18.40 #       <midkay> maybe i did something else. hm.
10.18.48 #       <midkay> yeah, i think i did..
10.18.56 #       <petur> amiconn will be upset ;)
10.18.58 #       <midkay> changed from a sleep(HZ*2) to a for-loop :)
10.19.00 #       <midkay> hahaha.
10.19.34 #       <dwihno> isn't the credits a plugin nowadays?
10.19.42 #       <midkay> dwihno, yeah.
10.19.42 #       <B4gder> it is
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10.20.00 #       <B4gder> midkay: why a for loop?
10.20.09 #       <midkay> B4gder, button scanning..
10.20.13 #       <B4gder> why not a button_get_tmo() for HZ*2 ?
10.20.17 #       <dwihno> So then, 30 bytes isn't such a big issue :)
10.20.18 #       <midkay> instead of a 2s pause, we do 20 1/10s pauses.
10.20.25 #       <midkay> B4gder, good question :)
10.20.42 #       <midkay> let me try that instead..
10.21.16 #       <midkay> but before i do, i want you to know that it's a pretty worthless change and that i was about to come up with it myself. i was just too preoccupied with.. er. readjusting it to 2.5 seconds! ;)
10.22.17 #       <midkay> hey.
10.22.30 #       <midkay> moving to the w_tmo call saved back the 30 bytes.
10.22.30 #       <midkay> :D
10.22.55 #       <midkay> and it works. good.
10.22.59 #       <midkay> merci, B4gder.
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10.23.28 #       * B4gder bows
10.24.02 #       <Xavier_Web> Bagder: At last I found many good quality voice files from loquendo. Now all that is left is to ensure if it will be legal to host those files here.
10.24.33 #       <midkay> hm. alright. i think it's done.
10.24.37 #       <Xavier_Web> But I am not an expert and I don't have a clue about licenses
10.24.52 #       <Xavier_Web> Maybe we will have to mail them to ask permission as a non-cmmercial group
10.24.56 #       <B4gder> Xavier_Web: so dig up the license and post to the dev list about it
10.25.02 #       <midkay> overall it's slightly quicker on archos and slightly slower on my iPod 5G (the two 'extremes' lcd-size-wise) :)
10.25.08 #       <Xavier_Web> ok
10.25.22 #       <B4gder> midkay: yeah, until gigabeat...
10.25.25 #       <midkay> seems like a fine speed to me, though.. does anyone want to test? B4gder, do you want to test the replacement for your dusty old code? :)
10.25.37 #       <midkay> B4gder, ah... :)
10.25.39 #       <B4gder> no time for test atm
10.25.41 #       <midkay> let's hope that port fails. :)
10.25.45 #       <B4gder> hahaha
10.26.10 #       <midkay> whoops, all the pcb scans and docs disappeared from the wiki.. oh well.. >:D
10.26.46 #       <midkay> hm.. i could just commit this and touch it up if there are any objections afterward..
10.26.53 #       * midkay looks around for feedback
10.27.06 #       <Xavier_Web> midkay: what are you doing?
10.27.12 #       <midkay> Xavier_Web, new credit roll.
10.27.17 #       <midkay> not the biggest of deals :)
10.27.31 #       <Xavier_Web> ah you stole my idea :)
10.27.44 #       <Xavier_Web> I wanted to do that for some weeks.
10.27.55 #       <midkay> Xavier_Web, what were you going to do? :)
10.27.59 #       <midkay> hehehe. :)
10.28.07 #       <JdGordon> ok, patch is ready
10.28.10 #       <Xavier_Web> can it be controlled (like up or down?)
10.28.32 #       <midkay> Xavier_Web, no..
10.28.41 #       <midkay> in fact it's no longer up-down in any way :)
10.28.44 #       <Xavier_Web> ah tha would be cool...
10.28.51 #       <midkay> yeah, it might actually..
10.29.00 #       <midkay> well.
10.29.14 #       <midkay> is docs/CREDITS included with builds? use that instead with the text viewer. :)
10.29.21 #       <midkay> you can even use autoscroll to mimic the old way! :)
10.29.29 #       <Xavier_Web> hehe
10.30.10 #       <markun> midkay: why would the gigabeat have a problem with your code?
10.30.20 #       <midkay> markun, it wouldn't.
10.30.24 #       <midkay> just might be slower..
10.30.29 #       <midkay> lots more screen to fill vertically.
10.30.37 #       <midkay> not 'that' much, but.. :)
10.30.49 #       <markun> What's the advantage?
10.31.02 #       <midkay> of?
10.31.07 #       <midkay> the new one?
10.31.09 #       <markun> your code
10.31.22 #       <midkay> erm.. nothing.. nicer-looking, i hope. :)
10.31.26 #       <midkay> just fun..
10.32.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And maybe more readable if the names pause a bit longer overall.
10.32.44 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, overall they might be onscreen a bit shorter, but they don't constantly scroll (stay in one position the whole time) so they should be about as/more readable.. hard to say..
10.32.47 #       <midkay> depends on model, also.
10.33.01 #       <JdGordon> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5456
10.33.08 #       <B4gder> I'd guess it is more readable on the h1x0 series
10.33.18 #       <B4gder> which is the one with the worst LCD afaik
10.33.34 #       <midkay> if anyone here has an h140 maybe they could test it.
10.33.36 #       <B4gder> I mean worst to read when moving
10.33.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Yes, so they're onscreen shorter, but pause longer. :-P
10.33.41 #       <midkay> B4gder, right, i've heard..
10.33.48 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, right. :)
10.34.10 #       <midkay> anybody?
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10.34.22 #       <midkay> provide useful feedback? anybody?!
10.34.22 #       <midkay> :)
10.34.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I have an h120.
10.34.28 #       <Xavier_Web> midakay I will test it when I get back home
10.34.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: But I can't compile
10.34.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I need to reboot before VMWare will run properly again, and I can't reboot at the moment.
10.35.09 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, h140 is mandatory - the raytraced refractions here increase the plugin size a bit. ;)
10.35.13 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, i can send you a binary for latest cvs.
10.35.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: That would be fine
10.35.51 #       <midkay> want to pm me your email?
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10.47.53 #       <RedBreva> Is there a patch for the reworked credits, I can try it on H140?
10.49.19 #       <midkay> RedBreva, Paul_The_Nerd just tried it and approves.. i can email it to you if you'd like.
10.49.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, it hard-freeze the h140 right now
10.49.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But that's just because it doesn't actually stop at the end of the credits list
10.49.33 #       <midkay> it's not *quite* finished (few bugs to fix at the end) but it shows the effect.
10.49.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'd say half the speed the credits fly on at
10.50.06 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, you mean halve the speed?
10.50.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> halve
10.50.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes
10.50.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I knew I typed it wrong
10.50.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Verbs, dammit.
10.50.32 #       <midkay> haha. i was going to say half.. then i thought.. wait.. :)
10.50.51 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, anyways, thanks for the testing+feedback.
10.51.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I like it though
10.51.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Much more readable overall than the existing one.
10.51.08 #       <midkay> i'll see what i can do.. since the speed is different on every model, i might need target-specific defines to control the speed.
10.51.12 #       <midkay> cool. :)
10.51.34 #       <midkay> *sighs* getting things running consistently across platforms is annoying..
10.51.44 #       <midkay> it'd be cool if they all had an equally fast LCD driver. :)
10.51.56 #       <midkay> i'
10.52.30 #       <midkay> i'm already pushing towards the "too slow" point on iPod 5G. i guess i'll set up some defines.
10.53.04 #       <midkay> haha. Paul_The_Nerd, did credits.rock say "Ver. Haha."? :)
10.53.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No, it reported my version #
10.53.38 #       <midkay> ah, it'
10.53.58 #       <midkay> ah, right.
10.54.22 #       <midkay> first-things-first.. fix the end-of-roll bit..
10.55.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes
10.55.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That is quite an important thing there.
10.55.37 #       <midkay> yeah. simple fix, too, i hope.
10.55.40 #       <midkay> *tests first fix*
10.55.45 #       <midkay> of course, first fixes never work, but.. :)
10.56.56 #       <midkay> ah, yes, defines will work wonderfully, i think.
10.57.05 #       * midkay has it all planned out mentally.
10.58.53 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, would a longer pause between line-flying sessions help, or is it entirely easily readable as-is?
10.58.58 #       <midkay> even just a half-second or second more?
10.59.38 #       <midkay> i guess with slower animations it'd be even slower than the 'just fine' you rated it last build, so i suppose not.
10.59.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: They look great when they stop. It's only while they're moving. They move so fast that you can't even tell that the words fly on. You just sorta see them appear, popping in the list where the previous one was.
11.00.43 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, but when they do stop they're all easily readable - meaning there's enough time to read them?
11.00.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah
11.01.14 #       <midkay> alright.
11.04.58 #       <midkay> ah.
11.05.00 #       <midkay> so glad you mentioned it.
11.05.18 #       <midkay> defines make it look 427.29% better for archos recorder too..
11.06.08 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, mind testing another version then?
11.07.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Sure thing
11.07.49 #       <midkay> sent.
11.08.33 #       <midkay> ah, Paul_The_Nerd - beware the end glitch.
11.08.37 #       <midkay> it doesn't seem fixed.
11.08.50 #       <midkay> bail out a bit early..
11.09.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Looks _great_ for the sliding. The pause once per screen is unnecessary though. You have more than enough time without it now.
11.10.18 #       <markun> petur: Just talked to my girlfriend and she told me the accented chars in the italian lang file were correct before the commit..
11.10.28 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, excellent. will remove that pause (or shorten it to maybe half-second) - any input on animation? slightly faster/slower at all?
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11.10.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Maybe _slightly_ faster. It looks really good right now, but overall it feels a bit slow to recycle the whole screen.
11.11.17 #       <midkay> even slightly faster with the pause shrunk down to 1/2s?
11.11.24 #       <midkay> currently it's at HZ/35..
11.11.32 #       <midkay> maybe i'll move it to HZ/42?
11.11.34 #       <midkay> lucky numer 42 :)
11.11.36 #       <midkay> number*
11.11.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
11.12.18 #       <midkay> mind if i send one last version with HZ/42 and much less pause to double-check that seems just right?
11.12.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Sure
11.12.49 #       <midkay> sent.
11.12.52 #       <midkay> NO.
11.12.53 #       <midkay> argh.
11.12.55 #       <midkay> forgot to recompile.
11.13.06 #       <midkay> resent the same one. :)
11.13.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ok
11.13.26 #       <midkay> there.
11.13.37 #       <petur> markun: no idea why he changed them. I just figured it'd be ok as he seemed to be the maintainer of that file
11.14.07 #       <petur> markun: unless my removal of non-unix lineending screwed up (can't imagine how)
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11.15.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hmmm
11.15.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Is the pause 1/2 second or 2 seconds?
11.16.19 #       <midkay> 1/2, should be.
11.16.24 #       <midkay> or..
11.16.27 #       <midkay> does it seem the same?
11.16.28 #       <petur> markun: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5454
11.16.40 #       <midkay> maybe i recompiled in the wrong dir..
11.16.45 #       * midkay is juggling three compile dirs
11.17.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It feels like 2 seconds
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11.17.19 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, the difference between 2s and 1/2s should be quite evident.. let me try one more recompile.
11.17.51 #       <midkay> re-resent.
11.17.57 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, thanks for going through all this. :)
11.18.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hey, that's what I did here before I started going at the forums
11.18.29 #       <midkay> haha.
11.18.56 #       <midkay> i love how this looks on the 5G lcd..
11.19.10 #       <midkay> slightly slowish, but smooth and wiiide :)
11.19.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, now it's 1/2 second
11.19.16 #       <midkay> ah, good.
11.19.32 #       * JdGordon wants to see...
11.19.41 #       <midkay> JdGordon, soon, young .. erm... padawan. :)
11.19.50 #       <JdGordon> hehe
11.19.51 #       <midkay> only the cool guys get to try this right now. :)
11.19.58 #       * JdGordon cries
11.20.04 #       <midkay> go to your room.
11.20.18 #       <JdGordon> already there
11.20.26 #       <midkay> a-a-a! NO BUTS.
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11.20.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Tried it with both very small and fairly large fonts, and it looks pretty good with both.
11.20.54 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, nice to hear.. so it seems like a good speed now?
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11.21.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I personally would drop even the 1/2 second delay
11.21.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But that's just me.
11.21.24 #       <midkay> extremely small or extremely large fonts could make it a bit hard to view, but for most, it should be fine i think.
11.21.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I _like_ extremely small fonts.
11.22.01 #       <midkay> i mean ridiculously small. :)
11.22.09 #       <midkay> what's that one? tinyfont-5 or something? :)
11.22.15 #       <midkay> really dunno..
11.22.32 #       <JdGordon> 1x1 fonts FTW
11.22.35 #       <midkay> haha.
11.22.40 #       <midkay> tiny-prop-5..
11.22.42 #       <midkay> whoa.
11.22.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I just use Rockbox_default
11.22.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's just right
11.22.53 #       <midkay> 47 lines on the 5G lcd. :)
11.23.48 #       <midkay> cool, it even actually works well with huge fonts..
11.25.23 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, k, dropped the pause delay.
11.25.25 #       <midkay> thanks again. :)
11.25.36 #       <midkay> i'll commit it as soon as i quash that one end-of-roll bug.
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11.26.01 #       * midkay loves doing this kind of thing
11.26.24 #       <midkay> spending several hours on stuff people only glance at once by accident and avoid it from then on..
11.26.29 #       <dpro> aaarg I still get dropouts on ipod when playing pcm/wave files at 106% pitch ... now why is that ?
11.26.31 #       <JdGordon> how long does it take to view the whole list?
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11.26.42 #       <midkay> JdGordon, depends on your target.
11.26.47 #       <markun> petur: he did it in his previous language update as well: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5064
11.26.48 #       <midkay> JdGordon, what model(s) have you got?
11.26.51 #       <JdGordon> h300
11.27.02 #       <midkay> you could actually test the current speed settings and tell me if they're good..
11.27.06 #       * dpro can hardly imagine that this depends on the codec speed ... since there is no codec
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11.27.15 #       <JdGordon> send me the .c and i will
11.27.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: Perhaps it depends on the disk access speed?
11.27.37 #       <midkay> um. heeeel naw. ;)
11.27.49 #       <petur> markun: ouch - didn't see that, it would have warned me :(
11.27.52 #       <midkay> source premieres when it's committed. :)
11.28.16 #       <JdGordon> .. ok
11.28.42 #       <dpro> Paul_The_Nerd: but why does it _never_ happen at normal speed ? I can't believe the ide driver is so tightly tuned to original speed ;)
11.28.43 #       <petur> markun: can you fix that?
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11.29.03 #       <markun> sure, but maybe one of us should email him first
11.29.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: Well, at 106% pitch the file has to be read, processed, and output 6% faster.
11.29.19 #       <dpro> so ?
11.29.27 #       <dpro> ah there we go
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11.29.49 #       * dpro just reproduced it at 100% pitch - damn ... my dj tool is has still a loooong way to go ;)
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11.29.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So that's another 80kbps running through everything, right?
11.30.30 #       * dpro checks with flac now ... 
11.30.56 #       <dpro> getting dropouts with wavs even at 94%
11.31.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Doing what?
11.31.50 #       <dpro> Paul_the_nerd: trying to find a codec that won't skip at ~110%
11.32.16 #       <dpro> amiconn suggested I should try flac since the decoder is faster than mp3
11.32.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, flac's one of the fastest
11.32.52 #       <dpro> so I thought I might aswell try wav, but here the ide driver seems to be the bottleneck even when pitched _down_
11.33.05 #       <midkay> flac is the fastest for my 5G.
11.33.14 #       <midkay> i can't kill it if i try..
11.33.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well it might not be the IDE driver.
11.33.35 #       <dpro> so flac is less disk overhead (1/10) and still faster than everything else in codec speed
11.34.12 #       <midkay> sounds about right..
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11.34.38 #       <linuxstb> dpro: Is the CPU being boosted correctly when you play back WAV @ > 100% speed? (I can't think why not, but...)
11.35.21 #       <dpro> linuxstb: how can I find out ?
11.35.47 #       <linuxstb> Turn up the pitch to a level where it starts to skip, then go into the Debug menu and choose "view audio thread"£
11.36.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: I've noted that with disk poweroff enabled, and "Anti-Skip" buffer only set to 5 seconds (which doesn't actually seem to be 5 seconds, I think) the compressed buffer actually gets exhausted easily in the middle of FLACs. Just as a related note.
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11.36.40 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, I don't think the anti-skip buffer correctly deals with the range of bitrates available on swcodec.
11.37.06 #       <linuxstb> Or at least, some parts of the swcodec engine doesn't adapt properly.
11.37.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah
11.37.36 #       <dpro> I tried various buffer settings but it didn't really change the behaviour much (at least with mp3)
11.37.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I found myself wondering how it decides what 5 seconds is in the case of VBR data anyway
11.38.12 #       <dpro> Paul_the_nerd: based on average bitrate maybe ?
11.38.37 #       <midkay> aha.
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11.38.50 #       * midkay thinks he just found the bug preventing the end-of-roll bugfix from working.
11.38.57 #       <amiconn> The ide driver shouldn't be a bottle neck for wav playback, even if it's sos onelower than  the arch
11.39.53 #       <amiconn> +os one
11.41.15 #       <amiconn> murks
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11.41.42 #       <dpro> amiconn: do you have any idea what causes the dropouts then ? (pitch setting doesn't affect the likeliness of skips)
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11.42.02 #       * dpro encodes the wavs to flacs for testing
11.44.19 #       <dpro> hmm I'd really like to show off rb at the linuxwochen great finale here in vienna ... let's see if I'll get there in time ;)
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11.45.42 #       <midkay> ahahaha...
11.45.47 #       * midkay just madly optimized the credits roll
11.45.51 #       <midkay> so simply..
11.46.03 #       * dpro should have added a 'sync' to for F in `ls` ; do flac $F ; done
11.47.36 #       <linuxstb> dpro: Why not just "flac *.wav" ?
11.48.07 #       <dpro> linuxstb: because actually the above line looks a little different ;)
11.48.40 #       <amiconn> I have no idea what would cause WAV to skip
11.48.51 #       <linuxstb> For Rockbox, you counld also add "--seekpoint=1s" to create a seektable with 1 second accuracy - if you're not already.
11.49.18 #       <dpro> linuxstb: ah good to now
11.49.37 #       <linuxstb> (The default is 10 seconds.)
11.50.17 #       * dpro just read that in the manpage
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11.52.39 #       <JdGordon> midkay: got it finised?
11.52.45 #       <midkay> JdGordon, quite nearly..
11.52.52 #       <midkay> waiting for the whole roll to finish to make sure the bug is fixed.
11.53.06 #       <midkay> one more change and run-through and it should be good to go.
11.54.04 #       <midkay> wheeeee.
11.54.06 #       <midkay> fixed.
11.54.31 #       <dpro> now trying flac @106.4 ....
11.59.21 #       <dpro> there we go ... less likely still dropouts ... DAMN (sorry)
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12.02.59 #       <dpro> linuxstb: boost ratio stays at 0% ....
12.05.58 #       <dpro> hmmm now at 120% it doesn't skip ... it never skips when you need it ;)
12.10.42 #       <dpro> OTOH I changed the anti-skip buffer to 15secs maybe that solved the problem once and for all ...
12.14.36 #       * amiconn wonders under what conditions dpro is getting dropouts
12.14.58 #       <amiconn> That anti-skip buffer on swcodec really needs fixing
12.15.09 #       <amiconn> It doesn't work as intended at all
12.16.09 #       <midkay> and four-to-five hours later, it's looking commitworthy.
12.17.07 #       <preglow> linuxstb: you had any problems with long seeks with flac?
12.19.09 #       <preglow> and any way to see the seek table info?
12.19.17 #       <preglow> just to make sure my file's not broken
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12.21.35 #       * midkay just committed it.. *psst* JdGordon *psst*
12.22.09 #       <JdGordon> :)
12.22.17 #       <JdGordon> ill have a looksie when the build finishes
12.22.29 #       <midkay> loveliness.
12.23.29 #       <JdGordon> any thoughts on the tagnavi.config patch?
12.23.41 #       <JdGordon> .. from anyone..
12.24.55 #       <XavierGr> what exactly anti-skip buffer do?
12.25.03 #       <midkay> JdGordon, i like it..
12.25.10 #       <midkay> any objections to a commit, anyone?
12.25.14 #       <JdGordon> course u do.. u suggested it :D
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12.26.07 #       <midkay> haha.
12.26.07 #       <midkay> :)
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12.26.34 #       <XavierGr> midkay: take advantage of your position! :D
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12.27.17 #       <midkay> XavierGr, heheheh.. *slips unnoticed changes into cvs*
12.27.40 #       <midkay> well, i'll wait 'til amiconn goes to bed.. can't get a single stray character past this guy. :)
12.28.30 #       <preglow> he doesn't sleep
12.29.01 #       <midkay> ah, yes..
12.29.04 #       <JdGordon> u should just make sure i put the commenting checking in the right place..
12.29.06 #       <midkay> he always SAYS 'nite'..
12.29.15 #       <midkay> but he stays up, constantly refreshing the cvs build page..
12.29.29 #       <midkay> ready to strike. :)
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12.30.28 #       <webguest17> hello
12.30.38 #       <webguest17> i've got a 5g ipod
12.30.40 #       <midkay> what's up w/ the player build, anyone?
12.31.26 #       <webguest17> i like rockbox because i can plays mp3 which aren't in the itune db
12.32.02 #       <webguest17> but is there a way to store mp3 outside ipod_control/music on a 5g ?
12.33.01 #       <linuxstb> preglow: Yes, seeking outside the current buffer seems to cause problems - not just with FLAC I think.  It's in the bug tracker, and lostlogic said he'll look at it.
12.33.11 #       <linuxstb> "metaflac --list" will show the seektable.
12.33.24 #       <XavierGr> midkay: RED!!!! You will burn in hell. :D
12.34.58 #       <RedBreva> midkay: Like the new Credits...  but being 'hyper-picky' I think the last 'pagefull' displayed did not go to the bottom, so names were not displayed as long as the others...  shouldn't you continue to the botton of the screen scrolling blanks on?
12.35.02 #       <midkay> haha.
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12.37.36 #       <midkay> RedBreva, you mean keep scrolling the last lines off so the rest is blank?
12.37.38 #       <preglow> linuxstb: ouch
12.37.54 #       <midkay> first i tried to do that, then when i had some trouble with it, i thought it even worked alright like this..
12.38.06 #       <midkay> i'll extend the delay slightly between last name and exit..
12.38.14 #       <midkay> if i can figure out wtf is with the player build.
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12.39.07 #       <midkay> can anyone look + give any advice? maybe a server problem? different GCC or anything?
12.39.18 #       <midkay> hey Paul_The_Nerd.
12.39.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hola. I vanished for breakfast.
12.39.40 #       <preglow> linuxstb: what plans do/did you have for finer granularity flac seeking, btw? just seek a seek point then decode until new position?
12.39.44 #       <preglow> or something more low-level?
12.39.47 #       <midkay> btw, i optimized some of the functions in the credits roll.. so it may be running faster than it ought to be now..
12.39.56 #       <RedBreva> midkay: yes...  As I said, big improvement in readability etc, esp. on H140, but could be a little unfair on the last person in the file, if the screensize/font size combo meant they were the only name on the last screen..?
12.40.18 #       <midkay> RedBreva, i know what you mean. i'll add a longer delay.
12.40.25 #       <midkay> e.g. after the last name comes up, wait *two seconds* and then exit.
12.40.32 #       <RedBreva> :D
12.40.38 #       <midkay> should be one second atm.
12.40.52 #       <JdGordon> plugin credits righjt?
12.40.58 #       <midkay> JdGordon, yeah.
12.41.06 #       <JdGordon> either ive updated my player twice from the wronf zip.. or nothing changed...
12.41.16 #       <midkay> wrong zip then ;)
12.41.29 #       <RedBreva> or Player = red?
12.41.36 #       <linuxstb> preglow: I've no ideas really - I prefer to just create seek tables with high granularity.  The FLAC format is a bit silly - the frame header "sync pattern" is allowed to also appear inside a frame....
12.41.42 #       <midkay> he has an H300..
12.41.46 #       <JdGordon> group bash midkay for the red build..
12.41.54 #       <midkay> haha. go to hell.
12.42.00 #       <midkay> you try to figure it out.
12.42.01 #       <midkay> :)
12.42.08 #       * midkay is stumped
12.42.34 #       <midkay> group bash JdGordon for his stupid button unification idea!
12.42.36 #       <JdGordon> the player doesnt like unicode?
12.42.39 #       <preglow> linuxstb: yeah, a sync marker obviously has no meaning with most compressed formats
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12.42.42 #       <preglow> linuxstb: even mp3 is like that
12.42.43 #       <midkay> i didn't even LOOK at it it's so awful.
12.42.45 #       <midkay> ;)
12.42.50 #       <JdGordon> :'(
12.42.51 #       <midkay> JdGordon, i didn't *add* that line..
12.42.56 #       <midkay> so..
12.43.03 #       <midkay> i think it must be a server problem.
12.43.06 #       <BockBilbo> hello
12.43.08 #       <BockBilbo> :)
12.43.09 #       <preglow> linuxstb: since the codec is so fast i think that just brute force decoding might do the trick
12.43.16 #       <JdGordon> oh ok
12.43.36 #       <BockBilbo> im trying to compile rockbox on ubuntu, anyone knows which package contains m68k-elf-gcc ?
12.43.41 #       <linuxstb> We don't need to actually decode the frames - just a high-level parse.
12.44.08 #       <preglow> well, if it's not too much of a bother, then sure
12.44.19 #       <midkay> oh.
12.44.22 #       <midkay> i did do that. haha.
12.44.32 #       <preglow> BockBilbo: no package for that
12.44.36 #       * midkay is embarrassed
12.44.47 #       <midkay> i was going to tell JdGordon to check the diff if he didn't believe me, and then i checked it myself.
12.45.04 #       <BockBilbo> preglow, so how do i compile it?:S
12.45.46 #       * JdGordon figured out why it wasnt updateing.. got the scp command wrong :p
12.45.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BockBilbo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
12.46.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Manually compile crosscompilers
12.46.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or..
12.46.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Isn't there a shell script now in the sources?
12.46.45 #       <JdGordon> there is
12.46.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, /tools/rockboxdev.sh
12.47.02 #       <JdGordon> so u did screw the line midkay ?
12.47.20 #       <BockBilbo> thankss
12.47.54 #       <midkay> JdGordon, four lines, actually.
12.48.05 #       <JdGordon> hehe well done :D
12.48.18 #       <midkay> merci. beaucoup.
12.48.18 #       <midkay> :)
12.48.20 #       <JdGordon> hahah damn that rb-> !!
12.48.24 #       <midkay> yeah. haha.
12.48.31 #       <midkay> i actually ran a replace macro on that file..
12.48.38 #       <midkay> replacing "rb->" with "" (nothing)..
12.48.45 #       <midkay> then i put them back manually.
12.48.51 #       <midkay> missed a few places. :)
12.49.40 #       <dpro> amiconn: I get dropouts well ... after a while ... and then it get's worse and worse ... but if I use it just as a walkman everything at 100% pitch always it never happens ...
12.50.38 #       * dpro wonders if it has to do with pause / resume ... a feature I normally don't use when running around ...
12.51.20 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: I've been wondering about reasoning behind the ipod forum split.  IMO, about 99% of the questions/problems apply equally to all ipods, and a large proportion of those aren't really ipod-specific anyway, they are general Rockbox questions.  I would like there to be less target-specific forums, and more general discussion forums.  Apart from installation problems, most threads are applicable to more than one target, eve
12.51.20 #       <linuxstb> n WPSs.
12.52.34 #       <JdGordon> windows to the recsue :D
12.52.37 #       <JdGordon> nice work midkay
12.53.00 #       <midkay> thanks JdGordon :)
12.54.09 #       <preglow> i think the many ipod forums are pretty unneeded
12.55.21 #       * midkay semi-disagrees
12.55.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Well, there are alot of things that vary between the iPods. Especially considering say, the lack of grayscale lib so several plugins don't exist for the minis. And I think that there's any overlap between iPod forums for the WPSes. When I first suggested the idea (maybe a month, month 'n a half ago now) I felt like I was quite often having to ask what sort of iPod someone had before I could help them.
12.56.17 #       <midkay> there's still the general iPod forum.. and the subforums for targetspecific questions/WPS' and stuff.
12.56.24 #       <JdGordon> but anrt most questions throughout the whole forum general rockbox bugs an not nescacerily only 1 target?
12.56.40 #       <midkay> the key word there would be 'most'.
12.56.55 #       <linuxstb> That's my point - users don't think of Rockbox as being multiplatorm, so they don't mention their player.  If most of the threads happened under "General Discussion", then that would change how users think of Rockbox.
12.56.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Right now there's quite a bit of differentiation between iPod targets, both in performance and bugs.
12.56.58 #       <midkay> many, perhaps. not all, and maybe someone has a question relating to a particular model?
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12.57.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Yeah, I can see that as valid. Dropping nearly all target specific forums would be necessary for that.
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12.58.33 #       <dpro> hehe while we're at it can we have an ipod dropout forum ;)
12.58.43 #       <midkay> i just see it like, they aren't very necessary, but i don't see them causing any problems, they're nice to have for some occasions..
12.58.52 #       <markun> Paul_The_Nerd: do you have the power to move a thread in the forum?
12.59.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> markun: Yes
12.59.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, guys, I'm open to suggestions for forum improvements really. It seemed to me that the best way to organize the iPod "lump" was to split it.
12.59.47 #       <midkay> haha.
13.00.03 #       <JdGordon> why not group targets more like how the code is split? i.e colour/b+w.. hw/sw codecs
13.00.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> markun: What do you need moved?
13.00.30 #       <markun> Some problems are really target specific..
13.00.38 #       <linuxstb> My suggestion would be to create more sub-forums under General Discussion - split by feature area such as  "Music Playback", "Recording", "Plugins", "WPS/Thems" etc.
13.01.00 #       <JdGordon> thats gonna be a nightmare to keep threads the in right place..
13.01.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: I had been thinking of both a "Plugin Development" and "WPS Design" forum actually.
13.01.21 #       <markun> Paul_The_Nerd: Nothing in particular, but I've noticed a lot of generic rockbox questions in target specific forums in the past.
13.01.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> markun: Yup. I'll be watching for that from now on. I'm going to _try_ to get/keep things a bit more organized.
13.02.17 #       <markun> Paul_The_Nerd: thanks! I apreciate your work in the forums
13.02.28 #       <markun> Answering questions I don't even want to read
13.02.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
13.02.46 #       <markun> "I NEED HELP!!" *sigh*
13.03.58 #       <midkay> haha.
13.04.17 #       <markun> Paul_The_Nerd: I like the rule they have at hydrogenaudio: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3974#entry149479
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13.05.18 #       <markun> Is it possible for someone to change the topic of a thread he started?
13.05.20 #       <JdGordon> as nice as rules are.. most users dont read the,...\
13.05.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> markun: Yes, I believe so
13.05.34 #       <B4gder> markun: yes, you can edit your own messages
13.05.42 #       <B4gder> the first message sets the subject for the thread
13.05.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hydrogenaudio's forums are a much more focused and serious community though. Ideally the Rockbox forums should be a place where someone completely clueless and panicking can go for help
13.06.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's pretty much the idea of the "Rockbox Experts" group. People who've shown a willingness to answer even the stupidest questions with understanding and patience, as well as giving people advice on how to find more information in the wiki.
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13.07.17 #       <B4gder> I like those images
13.07.41 #       <B4gder> gives a proper extra "weight" to what these people say
13.08.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, it felt important to me that they have more than simply different colored stars, and Midkay was kind enough to create me those images. :)
13.09.40 #       <markun> Paul_The_Nerd: you gorgot to add Cassandra to the developers group
13.09.54 #       <midkay> ah, right. :)
13.09.58 #       <midkay> yeah, i like the whole idea..
13.10.08 #       <markun> Paul_The_Nerd: or not?
13.10.18 #       <midkay> posts from guys with these images are significant. :)
13.10.35 #       <JdGordon> no matter how stupid they are :D
13.10.36 #       <B4gder> perhaps I could be in the "grumpy" group? ;-P
13.10.41 #       <midkay> haha.
13.10.44 #       <JdGordon> .. the posts that is...
13.10.48 #       <midkay> i can make an icon just for you, bagder :)
13.10.55 #       <midkay> haha, JdGordon.
13.10.59 #       <markun> B4gder: together with amiconn perhaps?
13.11.11 #       <XavierGr> ah and I was wondering how I got that 'developer' icon. *sweet*
13.11.16 #       <B4gder> haha, he's a worthy member of my team! ;-)
13.11.21 #       <markun> :)
13.11.45 #       <midkay> amiconn should be the *leader* in fact. :)
13.11.55 #       <midkay> amiconn is second to none. ;)
13.12.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> markun: It's entirely possible I forgot a large number of people
13.13.12 #       <markun> well, thanks for not forgetting me :)
13.13.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay, she's been added
13.13.56 #       <linuxstb> So am I alone in thinking the ipod forums should be unsplit?  i.e. that one forum is enough?
13.14.09 #       <JdGordon> im with u..
13.14.19 #       <midkay> i'm inbetween...
13.14.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm not sure I see the benefit in unifying them, honestly
13.14.34 #       <petur> OT message for EU people only: please sign http://www.oneseat.eu/
13.14.36 #       <XavierGr> I agree with linuxstb, too many subforums for my taste.
13.14.45 #       <midkay> i think they aren't harming anything..
13.14.47 #       <markun> petur: I also signed it today
13.14.55 #       <petur> :D
13.15.27 #       <midkay> maybe not a complete unification?
13.15.47 #       <midkay> iPod General, iPod 5G/Photo/Color/Nano, iPod 1G-4G Gray/Mini?
13.15.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It feels easier to provide support this way, to me, but as I said, I'm willing to listen to arguments both ways.
13.16.03 #       <XavierGr> midkay: yes that sounds more like it
13.16.18 #       <XavierGr> grayscale and colour target
13.16.19 #       <XavierGr> s
13.16.21 #       <midkay> i like them the way they are, but..
13.16.37 #       <midkay> if people are hell-bent on a unification, maybe three more general ones is alright..
13.17.16 #       <midkay> that also is kind of the old/new splitup.. the 5g/color/nano models are the most recent, and the 1g-4g and the mini are old/discontinued..
13.17.30 #       <midkay> (technically, the photo/color is too, but..)
13.17.43 #       <midkay> if there's a unification, my vote goes for that.
13.17.49 #       <midkay> *back to guildwars* :)
13.18.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Right now the iPods I believe are divided by WPS constraints (and I believe plugin availability, sorta)
13.19.23 #       <linuxstb> It's just that when I read the posts in the ipod forums, almost none of them are specific to one type of ipod.
13.19.59 #       <midkay> the problem isn't that, i think.
13.20.03 #       <midkay> it's not that they aren't specific to one iPod..
13.20.09 #       <midkay> it's that they aren't specific to basically *any* model.
13.20.24 #       <midkay> "how do i bookmark?" -- it's the same on every model.
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13.20.37 #       <midkay> people just think "well, i have this model, and here's the forum for it, i'll ask here".
13.20.48 #       <linuxstb> Exactly.  But people who own (for example) a Nano, will see the Nano forum and go directly there.
13.21.02 #       <midkay> exactly.
13.21.12 #       <midkay> so that's rather unavoidable.
13.21.36 #       <midkay> but for the not-quite-rare case where the problem is ipod- or even model-specific, these help..
13.22.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I mean we have several model specific outstanding iPod bugs right now
13.22.36 #       <linuxstb> But "several bugs" isn't a reason to create 5 new forums IMO.
13.23.09 #       <linuxstb> And hopefully they should be fixed soon anyway - once people go back to working on the ipods.
13.24.02 #       <JdGordon> what about... dont allow regular users to make new topics in the player specific forums.. then add a bug discussion forum, and IF there is a bug that is purley 1 target move it there..?
13.24.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Seems a little complicated.
13.24.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It just seemed with the explosive number of posts in the iPod forum, a single forum was too little. Especially with all the custom build, and WPS related threads.
13.24.47 #       <dpro> amiconn: are you still around ?
13.24.52 #       <midkay> bottom line for me: they aren't hurting anything (afaik), they aren't really taking up space, this helps in not-all-but-some cases, and Paul_The_Nerd does probably 90% of the assistance in these forums and probably knows best.. if a unification is in order, i think color/grayscale models is the best alternative.
13.26.45 #       <JdGordon> bottom line is there is too many targets.. i rekon drop all ipod support and stay with the smaller ones :D
13.26.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I do agree that it is a step away from having people think of Rockbox as hardware-independent, and that is a bad thing.
13.27.28 #       <midkay> that's true..
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13.28.14 #       <JdGordon> so do linuxstb's suggestion.. subroums for the parts of rockbox.. not the targets..
13.28.15 #       <linuxstb> But I think we all agree that most posts in the old ipod forum didn't belong there anyway - they should have been in general discussion.
13.28.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But then, the differences between an iPod Mini 1G and a iPod Video are larger than an H100 and an H300.
13.28.16 #       <midkay> i think general, color models, and gray models..
13.29.34 #       <midkay> if it was made clear in their description that the questions should only pertain to those models..
13.30.09 #       <JdGordon> but most users wouldnt know if it is or isnt only effecting their model..
13.30.12 #       <linuxstb> midkay: I wouln't even do that - unless you are a developer, or designing a WPS, the type of LCD isn't important.
13.30.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think really, the general idea is that perhaps the whole boards system needs a bit of a refactor for categories.
13.30.47 #       * midkay shrugs
13.31.00 #       <midkay> one iPod forum sounds just a tad too general..
13.31.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The iPod forum also already has more posts/topics than any other forum but the H100 one, which is significantly older
13.31.44 #       <midkay> that actually sounds like a good idea..
13.31.59 #       <midkay> someone mentioned it earlier but i didn't really think about it..
13.32.12 #       <midkay> a category for rockbox-specific functions.
13.32.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I mean, I like the idea of divisions being by topic, rather than by hardware.
13.32.32 #       <midkay> unless your question is directly related to the model, it should go in one of these forums..
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13.33.11 #       <XavierGr> bah! Who uses the foroum anyway :D (kidding)
13.33.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, "Rockbox Support/Bugs" "General Use Questions" "WPS design" "Plugin Development", stuff like that?
13.33.32 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, that sounds pretty good to me actually..
13.33.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> In bugs, just have a sticky telling people to remember to post their bugs with a topic "H300: Blah" or "iPod Video: Blah"
13.33.52 #       <midkay> easier to consider grouping the iPod forums back together..
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13.33.59 #       <midkay> yeah, right.
13.34.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They wouldn't do it, but at least the sticky would be there.
13.34.18 #       <midkay> HAHA.
13.34.35 #       <Febs> Keep in mind that most people first coming to Rockbox don't know whether their directly relates to the model.
13.34.42 #       <midkay> so, tell them.
13.34.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Plus, if there are NO forums for different hardware, then people would know that we have no way of knowing what hardware they're asking ab out
13.34.46 #       <midkay> stickies in each model specific forum..
13.35.01 #       <midkay> "Unless you're sure that your question pertains to this model, please ask in the appropriate rockbox functionality forum."
13.35.05 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: Sounds good to me :)
13.35.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I think even if it pertains to a single model, they could ask in the general Bugs or Support forums.
13.35.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The only problem there is this:
13.35.31 #       <midkay> yeah, unless it's pretty damn specific..
13.35.37 #       <midkay> e.g. hardware mods.
13.35.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> A lot of answers come from people who don't have _any_ Rockbox knowledge outside of one set of hardware
13.35.49 #       <midkay> unless you're *sure* your question is specific to this model or group of models..
13.36.21 #       <midkay> it's quite a dilemma, but i think the general categories would be alright for that..
13.36.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, Joe_Average may not even bother reading Support questions if he has to filter through them until he finds one on a model he feels confident about the button mappings for
13.36.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Whereas now, Joe_Average can read just the H300 section if he only knows the keymappings for it, and help people there
13.36.59 #       <tempi> Heya, i just converted my 5G MacPod into a Winpod and tried installing Rockbox. Found a few problems with the docs in the wiki... Does someone feel responsible and wants to fix the wiki page or shall i do it?
13.37.05 #       <midkay> hm.
13.37.17 #       <XavierGr> What I don't like with current scheme is, I for once, don't own an iPod, so I will never look at the iPod foroums. Still I could provide usefull information on that foroum.
13.37.21 #       <Febs> Paul_The_Nerd, don't we rely on Llorean to answer all of those questions anyway?   ;)
13.37.48 #       <petur> rofl
13.38.10 #       <B4gder> I bet he's soon filled his life-time quota of forum messages ;-)
13.38.17 #       <tempi> ha, actually, it's not a wiki page after all that needs fixing, it seems... so, how do we get the mac installation page fixed?
13.38.28 #       <linuxstb> tempi: There aren't many (any?) mac users contributing to Rockbox, so please fix anything you find.
13.38.31 #       <midkay> tempi, what page?
13.38.38 #       <linuxstb> tempi: What do you mean, it's not a wiki page?
13.38.41 #       <tempi> "installation from mac os x"
13.38.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> tempi: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX <--- This wiki page?
13.38.50 #       <tempi> it doesn't look like one.
13.38.54 #       <tempi> yes
13.39.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's a wiki page. Edit button on the bottom
13.39.03 #       <linuxstb> This page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX
13.39.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Left corner even
13.39.11 #       <tempi> ah, that tiny button
13.39.13 #       <tempi> ok
13.39.15 #       <linuxstb> It's "Twiki"
13.39.27 #       <tempi> never seen twiki before
13.39.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Y'know, I've always pronounced it Tee-wiki for some reason.
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13.39.45 #       <tempi> not like tweaky?
13.39.57 #       <Zendefera> I heard rb 3.0 was going to be released today, is this true?
13.40.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I dunno how it's supposed to be pronounced.
13.40.27 #       <linuxstb> tempi: What's the problem with the page?  Or shall I just read your edits?
13.40.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Zendefera: Well, that's the rumour. ;-)
13.41.28 #       <Zendefera> so if I cvs checkout code right now, if the 3.0 rel comes out, I should have tthe 3.0 code? or pretty close to it?
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13.41.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Even if it's delayed again for some reason, what you get today will be _very_ close to what 3.0 will be.
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13.42.20 #       <Zendefera> anyone use the spoken interface on rb, and use .talk files to speak their dir and file names?
13.42.32 #       <dpro> mikachu: you are also using pitch on ipod aren't you ?
13.43.09 #       <tempi> linuxstb: 1. it says hardly anywhere that there's a HIDDEN item in the zip file one downloads. Plus, the instruction saying "extract this to your root folder" is not helpful to a mac user without further explanation either.
13.43.13 #       <amiconn> Bagder: The 'cvs activity' time stamps are still off...
13.43.28 #       <tempi> 2. a link to the iPL loader2 should be added, since that one makes it much easier
13.43.28 #       <B4gder> yes
13.43.36 #       <B4gder> the whole cvs issue still remains
13.43.37 #       <XavierGr> Zendefera: To answer your yesterday's question, I was building a greek voice file.
13.43.49 #       <Zendefera> savier cool. :)
13.44.13 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: Did you find a greek tts engine?
13.44.37 #       <midkay> i think a nice way to break up the general discussion section would be: "General Rockbox Discussion", "Audio Playback", "Plugins", "Development" and "WPS'".
13.44.45 #       <midkay> at least maybe that's a start..
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13.45.19 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: yes and a good one.
13.45.20 #       <Zendefera> oh, has someone seen, when playing music, and if you try and enter the menu, some times It will speak, and other times it will not speak.  but when you leave the menu by hitting menu again, it'll speak some of the menu items you moved over.
13.45.21 #       <linuxstb> tempi: I agree it should mention how to deal with the ".rockbox" folder.  But why does loader2 make it easier to use Rockbox?
13.45.34 #       <XavierGr> Infact I found many good tts engines for various languages.
13.45.43 #       <tempi> i meant that the loader2 installaiton is easier than what's presented here
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13.46.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I'm going to do some thinking about reorganization, and maybe set up a wiki topic for discussion once I've put a little more thought into it I think.
13.46.15 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: I managed to get my hands on loquendo tts engines, which are of very good quality. (maybe better than ATT)
13.46.23 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, alright.
13.46.26 #       <tempi> those rb instructions are huge, and i suggest that when someone is overwhelmed with them, he might try the ipl loader instructions
13.46.57 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: But I am not sure about the licences. I go to the global site but I can't find a complete license about the engines.
13.47.32 #       <XavierGr> Zendefera: Yes that is known. Currently voice UI is buggy.
13.48.22 #       <Zendefera> xaviergr, are there any ideas for the causes for the buggyness?
13.48.46 #       <Zendefera> something that might help track down the problem?
13.49.55 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: You don't need the engine license. I'm pretty sure it's not allowed to distribute them. What is important is whether they impose restrictions on the generated speech
13.50.19 #       <amiconn> The AT&T license contradicts itself wrt generated speech :/
13.50.53 #       <XavierGr> yes sorry I meant, engines = voice generated files
13.53.08 #       <XavierGr> hehe, they claim that their engines can run on an ARM9 cpu.
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13.53.43 #       <markun> amiconn: did you listen to the output of espeak?
13.54.00 #       <JdGordon> [21:34:04] <Paul_The_Nerd> In bugs, just have a sticky telling people to remember to post their bugs with a topic "H300: Blah" or "iPod Video: Blah" <- thats not a good idea.. the sticky should say to at least say what model u have in the post. not e thread.. so ppl dont think its meniotned for ipod, but not h300 so ill post excatly the same for that model..
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13.54.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> JdGordon: True. The topic should very briefly summarize the problem, then in the post they should mention what hardware they get it on.
13.54.54 #       <JdGordon> yup
13.54.58 #       <San> hey, does anyone use the H300 with the EQ in rockbox on, with E2C's?
13.55.09 #       <JdGordon> the wps section should prob be split for the lcd size/types tho..
13.55.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ideally WPSes should be designed for as many screen sizes as possible anyway.
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13.55.39 #       <markun> San: no, but why do you ask?
13.55.46 #       <Zendefera> I've been talking to the espeak developer about porting it over to run with rb.
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13.55.55 #       <San> i just want to know the best settings for it
13.56.02 #       <San> thats all. :)
13.56.06 #       <amiconn> markun: No, why?
13.56.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> San: Most people would tell you "What you think sounds good." There's not really a "best" settings for EQ for anything
13.56.25 #       <JdGordon> also, u need to have a section just for audio playback issues.. coz thats where most bugs would be wont they?
13.56.31 #       <Zendefera> markun, it s a small engine, have you heard it?
13.56.33 #       <markun> amiconn: sounds quite nice (not like AT&T of course)
13.56.38 #       <markun> Zendefera: yes, I like it
13.56.45 #       <markun> Much better than flite
13.56.48 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: http://www.qualilife.com/products/index.cfm?id=218
13.56.54 #       <Zendefera> markun you blind?
13.57.01 #       <Zendefera> much smaller than flite
13.57.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> JdGordon: Many bugs that people associate with 'Audio Playback' are really just bugs that happen _during_ audio playback. So, it's iffy
13.57.04 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: there you can find 30 days demo for the engines
13.57.09 #       <San> paul, i know, but I just need something to base it around
13.57.12 #       <JdGordon> .. :(
13.57.14 #       <San> atm all I am getting is clipping
13.57.14 #       <markun> http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/flite.wav vs http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/espeak.wav
13.57.30 #       <markun> Zendefera: no, I'm not.
13.57.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Oh, by the way, did you see that the 4G froze in setting the cpu speed? Data abort even.
13.57.40 #       <linuxstb> tempi: Reading the Loader2 page, I can't see where it tells you how to install on a FAT32 ipod from Mac OS X.  But I've no objections to pointing users in the direction of your bootloader (and wiki, and support forums...) as an alternative to Rockbox's.
13.58.24 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, I saw that.  It's interesting, but a data abort is different to a freeze - I would have expected more people to have reported data aborts, but all the reports just say that its a freeze.
13.58.26 #       <Zendefera> markun, he already runs espeak on a arm based system, ris c os or something.
13.58.32 #       <Zendefera> so that might help with the ipod.
13.58.56 #       <markun> Zendefera: a port to C would be even more helpful I think
13.59.12 #       <Zendefera> I am thinking of taking that on, when I get a chance.
13.59.19 #       <markun> great
13.59.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Yeah... I don't know. People are really vague. Some people say "freezes" when they're talking about skips in playback too. So I'm somewhat uncertain overall these days, but at least that means _something_ bad _can_ happen there.
13.59.20 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: My ipod's never frozen on the splash screen, but I do experience freezes during audio playback on my 4g Color.  So at least I can try and isolate that when I go back to ipod debugging.
13.59.29 #       <Zendefera> the developer of espeak told me also it doesn't rely on the portaudio lib
13.59.41 #       <Febs> San, in that case, you could start with the preset you like best and tweak it.  But you're better off starting with the EQ flat and then using the method I described on MR to adjust it.
13.59.54 #       <markun> Zendefera: are you blind?
14.00.07 #       <amiconn> markun: That does indeed sound quite good (although I couldn't listen to the flite comparison. WMP doesn't like the .wav for some reason)
14.00.21 #       <Febs> San, if you're getting clipping, turn down the pre-cut.
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14.00.35 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: But I've also been wanting to wait for lostlogic to completely finish his playback reworking - just in case it's a playback-related bug.
14.00.36 #       <San> kk
14.00.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Absolutely fair.
14.01.17 #       <JdGordon> any1 like the idea of loading a config.cfg if an update resets the settigns?
14.01.23 #       <markun> amiconn: If you want to listen to the FAQ (44 mins) :) http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/faq.ogg
14.01.26 #       <linuxstb> The odd thing is that it's a recent bug - i.e. after CPU boosting was introduced.
14.01.52 #       <Zendefera> markun, yeah, I'm blind.
14.01.53 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: Nope
14.01.59 #       <JdGordon> really?
14.02.25 #       <amiconn> The whole binary settings & version business should go away
14.02.39 #       <amiconn> The only reason why this isn't done yet is that it's not trivial
14.02.39 #       <JdGordon> is that planned?
14.02.46 #       <amiconn> yes
14.02.51 #       <JdGordon> hmm ok
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14.06.02 #       <daurn|laptop> O<O
14.06.11 #       <daurn|laptop> Ook!
14.06.15 #       * daurn|laptop <3 ook
14.06.25 #       <daurn|laptop> someone make an Ook! interpreter
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14.09.54 #       <midkay> amiconn, but autosaving a config when the settings are reset is trivial, so why isn't that done as a temporary workaround? clearly nobody's bothering with the binary stuff..
14.11.03 #       <amiconn> It's not trivial
14.11.06 #       <JdGordon> midkay: u mean save it when the new one loads?
14.11.12 #       <midkay> JdGordon, er..
14.11.21 #       <midkay> i mean just saving a config when settings are reset.
14.11.23 #       <midkay> not loading.
14.11.28 #       <amiconn> You can't save the old settings with the version causing the reset
14.11.29 #       <midkay> how hard is that? one line of code?
14.11.32 #       <linuxstb> You can't save it - the point is Rockbox doesn't know the format...
14.11.39 #       <amiconn> exactly
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14.11.46 #       <midkay> aaah..
14.12.06 #       <amiconn> The reason for the reset is that the binary settings format changed - so rockbox doesn't know how to interpret it correctly
14.12.07 #       <JdGordon> has there been any talk about a new way of storing the settings?
14.12.22 #       <amiconn> Yes, as .cfg files
14.12.44 #       <amiconn> The problem is that we need an efficient way to register for disk spinup events
14.13.08 #       <JdGordon> for when to update it..?
14.13.33 #       <amiconn> For saving settings when they changed
14.13.39 #       <JdGordon> ah gotcha
14.13.57 #       <amiconn> Causing a spinup just for saving settings is out of question
14.14.14 #       <amiconn> Today this is handled within the ata driver ("delayed sector")
14.15.39 #       <petur> maybe have a binary and cfg version. always write both but at boot read only the binary (for speed) unless config block changed: read cfg and upgrade binary.
14.17.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Why does the config file have to be written that often?
14.17.24 #       <JdGordon> ye... they dont really need to be written untill shutdown..
14.17.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> We have an automatic shutdown when the battery is low, manual shutdown when someone turns it off, and "USB mode" as the three time the config file should save, right?
14.17.58 #       <JdGordon> not even usb mode...
14.18.17 #       <petur> no auto shutdown on low batt and certainly not on 'freeze'
14.18.30 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: Settings should be written at the next spinup, not only on shutdown
14.19.14 #       <JdGordon> meh, they arnt that importnat.. and if u want to save your batts more than settings then for sure not till shutdown
14.19.15 #       <amiconn> petur: The binary settings should go away, except for some special values. Even those special values shouldn't be saved in a magic sector, but in a file
14.20.27 #       <amiconn> JdGordon, Paul_The_Nerd: Saving on shutdown may be way too late, for several reasons: (1) Low batt may prevent disk access. (2) Older archoses have a fairly quick hardware shutdown that's impossible to catch in time
14.20.41 #       <JdGordon> ah k
14.20.45 #       <petur> still, reading a fixed format binary *file* is faster than parsing a text file, no?
14.20.46 #       <amiconn> And I rather don't want an artificial 'low batt' shutdown
14.21.41 #       <petur> amiconn: we still need an artificial shutdown for recording
14.21.51 #       <amiconn> why?
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14.22.26 #       <petur> recorded wav file needs fixing?
14.22.40 #       <petur> header not written when not closed properly
14.23.04 #       <amiconn> The header should be updated every flush
14.23.22 #       <preglow> i'd prefer a user selectable low batt shutdown so we don't have to deal with those bloody ROCKBOX BROKE MY PLAYER whinees
14.23.24 #       <LinusN> amiconn: that would require a lot of seeking for every flush
14.23.25 #       <petur> I wanted to do that but Lunis stopped me
14.23.33 #       <petur> Linus even
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14.25.32 #       <amiconn> LinusN: 'A lot of'? Exactly 2 seeks afaiu. One to the beginning, and another one back to the end
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14.26.33 #       <LinusN> amiconn: "a lot" means seeking a looong file
14.27.07 #       <petur> the header is at the beginning
14.27.26 #       <petur> and after writing we power down the disk so the head moves home anyway
14.27.28 #       <amiconn> Yes. What happens if we open the same file twice?
14.27.58 #       <amiconn> petur: The problem with seeking is that we need to walk the cluster chain. It's not the disk head
14.27.58 #       <LinusN> i dunno, never tried
14.28.24 #       <tempi> since i am updating the install instructions for Macs, i need a confirmation: is it true that it's OK to just copy the new set of files from a rockbox.zip onto the player's disk, or should the old ".rockbox" folder be deleted first to clear old stuff out first?
14.28.42 #       <preglow> tempi: preferably, but i never do it
14.28.44 #       <preglow> tempi: works fine
14.28.56 #       <Mikachu> that would clear all highscores in games
14.29.04 #       <B4gder> just unzipping is indeed better these days since fonts aren't always included
14.29.10 #       <tempi> meaing, you usually do not remove items from the .rockbox folder that would cause trouble for rb if not removed from old installs?
14.29.19 #       <tempi> ok
14.29.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> tempi: It's not strictly necessary to clear the old .rockbox folder, but is a step that should be taken if the user starts getting codec errors or other strange things.
14.29.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's often best to leave it unless something funny is happening
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14.30.17 #       <petur> they'll also lose their config file(s), wps's', backdrop, fm presets...
14.30.35 #       * petur wants those in a separate tree
14.31.07 #       <tempi> wow, twiki's preview sucks: i can't verify the links in it
14.31.20 #       <tempi> even if they are external links
14.32.42 #       <amiconn> 'oopspreview'
14.34.39 #       <tempi> ok, i am done with altering that ipod os x wiki page
14.34.45 #       <tempi> does someone want to verify it?
14.35.51 #       <tempi> linuxstb, "Reading the Loader2 page, I can't see where it tells you how to install on a FAT32 ipod from Mac OS X." -- oh, right you are.
14.36.16 #       <tempi> i made myself some scripts that do this automatically, no matter if it's a macpod or winpod, so i never noticed :)
14.37.04 #       <linuxstb> tempi: I agree with you that the instructions are a little daunting.  But IMO, we should fix that by removing all the "corner cases" to other pages - e.g. make the conversion from HFS to FAT32 its own page
14.39.38 #       <tempi> btw, have you seen my "rohPod" tool yet, linuxstb ?
14.39.47 #       <linuxstb> No - what does it do?
14.39.50 #       <tempi> latest version actually works on mac, windows and linux!
14.40.03 #       <tempi> it's a GUI tool to view and edit disk sectors.
14.40.09 #       <tempi> there are others that can do it, but...
14.40.12 #       <linuxstb> Ah, GUI tools....
14.40.29 #       <tempi> mine can do it remotely! i.e. you can connect to someone else's disk over the network and fix it :)
14.40.32 #       <tempi> or desstroy it
14.40.46 #       <tempi> but: it also keeps a journal of all changes, so one can ALWAYS revert all changes.
14.40.53 #       <tempi> so, if someone messes it up, no worries
14.40.57 #       <linuxstb> What do you use it for?
14.41.06 #       <tempi> next i want to add a feature to install bootloaders from it
14.41.20 #       <tempi> i used it to fix other ppl's messed up ipods, actually
14.41.38 #       <tempi> e.g. one have overwtitten his boot block (MBR)
14.41.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Huh, the Sansa e200 is a cute little player
14.41.54 #       <tempi> another tried the conversion from MacPod to Winpod and screwed it up...
14.42.10 #       <tempi> so i can do and check and perhaps fix their disks
14.42.25 #       <markun> Bagder: nice email
14.42.28 #       <B4gder> thanks
14.42.40 #       <preglow> agreed
14.42.45 #       <markun> "I have never seen nor tried a Sansa, but I expect
14.42.45 #       <markun> Rockbox to be a lot more advanced and competent.
14.42.52 #       <markun> :)
14.42.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
14.43.13 #       * B4gder grins
14.43.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Though one thing we won't be able to do is preserve the DRM playback, 'eh?
14.43.42 #       <markun> true
14.43.42 #       <LinusN> "...and definitely more ugly"
14.43.47 #       <B4gder> ahhaha
14.43.48 #       <markun> :)
14.43.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Is that a 6gb flash based player?
14.43.54 #       <B4gder> and it sounds like a bag of shit
14.44.03 #       <B4gder> Paul_The_Nerd: probably a microdrive
14.44.12 #       <B4gder> or something like that
14.44.13 #       <LinusN> flash
14.44.21 #       <B4gder> 6gb flash
14.44.22 #       <B4gder> nice
14.44.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Oooh.
14.44.40 #       <JdGordon> expensive...!
14.44.53 #       <XavierGr> Bagder: where can we see your mail along with the source?
14.45.09 #       <XavierGr> source = company's first mail
14.45.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I have to wonder, what is a "Liquidmetal®" back?
14.45.12 #       <LinusN> "Supports SanDisk TrustedFlash and Gruvi content cards"
14.45.37 #       <B4gder> XavierGr: I'd rather not reveal it since we don't have the original guy's permission and I prefer to work things smoothly
14.45.46 #       <XavierGr> ok
14.46.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think the main thing I don't like about the player is that it lists WMP10 as a "requirement" so until Rockbox is available for it, I think I'd never use it.
14.46.45 #       <B4gder> ouch
14.46.52 #       <LinusN> yuck
14.47.23 #       <XavierGr> indeed
14.47.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I do like that it advertises a user-replaceable battery. You don't see that as much anymore, it feels like.
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14.47.50 #       <JdGordon> any1 wanna look @ http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5456 <- it was midkay's idea.. not mine ;:p
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14.48.01 #       <midkay> any1 wanna REJECT it? eh?!
14.48.01 #       <midkay> :)
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14.48.46 #       <linuxstb> tempi: Are you going to change the wiki?  I'm not sure of the value of your link to the Loader_2 page when it doesn't deal with the combination of a Mac user installing on a FAT32 ipod...
14.49.02 #       <tempi> i am working on fixing that right now
14.49.09 #       <tempi> on the iPL loader2 page
14.49.09 #       <midkay> B4gder, nice mail indeed :) can't wait to see what they respond..
14.49.42 #       <linuxstb> tempi: How do you access the firmware partition from Mac OS X?  I didn't think it showed up as a partition (same issue as cygwin).
14.49.57 #       <linuxstb> (the firmware partition on a FAT32 ipod...)
14.49.59 #       <tempi> right, but you can simply use the proper offset from the main disk
14.50.09 #       <tempi> that's what i do in my scripts
14.50.23 #       <linuxstb> How do you know the proper offset though?
14.50.34 #       <tempi> the offset is always dblk 63
14.50.38 #       <tempi> blk
14.50.45 #       <tempi> ALWYS
14.50.54 #       <tempi> if not, the tool will notice
14.50.59 #       <tempi> i am verifying that now
14.51.02 #       <linuxstb> It wasn't on my ipod when I first bought it...  But it was after I restored it.
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14.51.39 #       <tempi> well, all the MBRs listed below on the rockbox osx page also refer to blk 63 :)
14.52.13 #       <linuxstb> They do indeed.  But that's what my "diskdump" utility does - it reads the partition table, and then writes to the partition via the "whole disk" device.
14.52.15 #       <tempi> plus, if someone converts his ipod NOW from mac to win, he'll surely get the new layout as well even if he had an old ipod with a differnet layout
14.52.57 #       <tempi> see, the instructions on the wiki contain a few steps. if the blk offset should have changed, it'll become apparent in these steps quickly
14.53.00 #       <tempi> for anyone.
14.53.36 #       <wibbix> linuxstb: still here?
14.53.47 #       <linuxstb> Yes.
14.54.21 #       <wibbix> i'm trying to relocate a binary that has a bitmap external to "main".
14.54.44 #       <wibbix> i used objcopy in an attempt to change the addresses
14.55.20 #       <wibbix> in "main", when I try to access the bitmap, the pointer is to garbage (not the bitmap)
14.55.23 #       <wibbix> suggestions?
14.55.26 #       <linuxstb> I'm not sure about that - the Rockbox build system takes care of the nasty details.
14.55.38 #       <wibbix> where, in the build, would I look?
14.56.33 #       <wibbix> just trying to narrow it down, mind you.  top level makefile?
14.58.17 #       <linuxstb> Bagder's our build system guru - but he seems away at the moment.  But yes, apps/Makefile is probably the place to start - or bootloader/Makefile
14.58.36 #       <B4gder> what exactly are you doing?
14.58.46 #       <B4gder> why "relocate" anything?
14.58.59 #       <wibbix> the binary is loaded at 0x30000000
14.59.08 #       <wibbix> oop
14.59.18 #       <wibbix> 0x30008000
14.59.31 #       <B4gder> that's controlled by the .lds file
15.00.04 #       <LinusN> firmware/app.lds or firmware/boot.lds i believe
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15.00.42 #       <B4gder> and then you can verify the addresses in the .map file after link
15.01.30 #       <wibbix> awesome. thanks for the help.
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15.08.58 #       <tempi> linuxstb, i have updated the iPL loader_2 page now so that the Mac installation works with MacPods and WinPods
15.09.14 #       <preglow> greatie
15.09.22 #       <preglow> any plans on trying out rockbox soon? :>
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15.14.47 #       <XavierGr> bbl
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15.15.59 #       <Lez> where can i get rockboy? :(
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15.16.36 #       <Febs> Lez, it is included with Rockbox.
15.16.54 #       <Lez> hmm, not on mine, it isn't included with the ipod photo one?
15.17.21 #       <JdGordon> u need to get roms for it..
15.17.28 #       <Febs> Have you read the chapter in the manual about how to use it?
15.17.55 #       <Lez> but should it be in .rockbox/rocks?
15.18.15 #       <JdGordon> gnite all
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15.18.36 #       <petur> Lez: you need to 'play' the roms like audio files
15.18.42 #       <Lez> let's try
15.19.18 #       <Lez> oh
15.19.19 #       <Lez> it works
15.19.22 #       <Lez> but a bit slow
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15.29.12 #       <Lez> hmm where's that hidden directory setting :(
15.29.56 #       <B4gder> hidden directory?
15.30.13 #       <telliott_> Is there any way to create a tegcache DB from my computer?  It's too slow on my Archos.
15.30.23 #       <telliott_> tagcache
15.30.32 #       <petur> Lez: settings-> file display or something like that
15.30.53 #       <B4gder> telliott_: none yet
15.30.54 #       <Lez> yeah i'm there but i can't find it
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15.31.54 #       <petur> Lez: File View -> show files -> all
15.32.04 #       <telliott_> Is tagcache a lot faster than the old tag db?
15.33.15 #       <amiconn> Browsing tagcache is really fast
15.33.23 #       <Lez> yeah, thanks
15.33.29 #       <linuxstb> tempi: Thanks - looks good to me.
15.33.34 #       <amiconn> A full tagcache update on archos may take a while
15.34.30 #       <tempi> ok
15.35.56 #       <tempi> hey, could we add something to the ipod version of rockbox so that it can detect that loader2 is installed? so that i get an option in rockbox to reboot into the loader so that i can choose apple os or linux? currently, there is no REBOOT command in rockbox, it appears
15.36.48 #       <B4gder> why not just switch off switch on?
15.36.58 #       <B4gder> it works fine on all our targets
15.37.13 #       <tempi> you mean the HOLD switch?
15.37.20 #       <B4gder> I don't know
15.37.25 #       <B4gder> I have no ipod
15.37.38 #       <tempi> ah. there is no off switch on an ipod
15.37.40 #       <tempi> see?
15.37.50 #       <markun> You can't turn rockbox off?
15.37.53 #       <B4gder> but there's a way to switch off and switch off, right?
15.37.58 #       <B4gder> uh, off and on
15.38.00 #       <tempi> B4gder, no
15.38.06 #       <tempi> not on an ipod.
15.38.15 #       <markun> sounds unlikely
15.38.23 #       <B4gder> very
15.38.24 #       <tempi> do you have an ipod, markun ?
15.38.27 #       <markun> no
15.38.31 #       <crashd> hold down play
15.38.40 #       <tempi> kids, you seem to be living a bit too long in the past :)
15.38.41 #       <crashd> that turns it off
15.38.46 #       <tempi> ah
15.38.47 #       <B4gder> tempi: get real
15.38.58 #       <markun> gigabeat is the future! :)
15.39.12 #       <markun> Well, only the old gigabeat ;)
15.39.17 #       <LinusN> lol
15.39.18 #       <B4gder> haha
15.41.46 #       <tempi> ok, play works. still, it's a bit against the way of thought that you have to turn it off in order to start something else. i'd still support the idea (and the code in loader2) to have a "reboot" item in rockbox
15.42.32 #       <markun> tempi: write a patch
15.42.35 #       <tempi> that would also allow to have a FASTER disk mode, because currently the diskmode that gets activated by rb is slower than necessary
15.42.59 #       <tempi> thanks for your support :)
15.43.17 #       <tempi> ok, is there anyone on my side on this?
15.43.33 #       * petur isn't against it...
15.43.48 #       <petur> ...but I don't have an ipod
15.43.58 #       <markun> How does rebooting give you a faster disk mode? For USB mode it reboots anyway
15.44.01 #       <B4gder> well, all our platforms have the same "problem"
15.44.16 #       <B4gder> if you want to boot into the other firmware
15.44.30 #       <B4gder> uh, execept the ones that support rolo
15.44.38 #       <tempi> markun, because on the ipod there are two disk modes, and the one provided by the apple os is faster, only that rb does not load the apple os. but loade2 could
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15.44.57 #       <markun> tempi: I thought rb also used the apple mode
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15.45.49 #       <Lez> hmm is it hard to do plugins for rockbox?
15.45.56 #       <B4gder> Lez: nope
15.46.00 #       <markun> tempi: linuxstb can probably answer your questions
15.46.07 #       <Lez> oh there was a howto for it
15.46.27 #       <amiconn> tempi: I have removed apple os from the firmware partition.
15.46.43 #       <linuxstb> tempi: I guess the resistence you're facing is that we don't like temporary solutions to problems.  We see Rockbox as a full-featured replacement to the original firmware for the supported devices, so don't want to deal with it.
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15.48.36 #       <tempi> oh well. if you want it that way :)
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15.49.43 #       <preglow> someone make usb drivers, please
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16.07.20 #       <preglow> whatboutbob: how's spdif recording working out?
16.07.45 #       <whatboutbob> preglow: i can't break it.
16.07.51 #       <preglow> eeexcellent
16.09.51 #       <whatboutbob> just booted back into iriver f/w for giggles for the first time in months.
16.10.09 #       <whatboutbob> wanted to compare the h1xx remote tick between rockbox and iriver f/w...
16.10.35 #       <whatboutbob> ...can't hear a tick at all in iriver f/w. :-(
16.11.22 #       * whatboutbob shouldn't whinge...its unbecoming.
16.11.37 #       <preglow> well, it's a nice hint
16.12.25 #       <whatboutbob> ust curious...does anyone know if that h1xx remote tick effects h3x0?
16.12.39 #       <whatboutbob> *just
16.14.18 #       <XavierGr> yes
16.14.39 #       <XavierGr> some h100 remotes tick on some h300 units
16.14.48 #       <whatboutbob> thanks.
16.15.01 #       <XavierGr> though with amiconn's fix that is quite rare
16.15.18 #       <whatboutbob> 'reduce ticking'?
16.15.24 #       <XavierGr> and with reduce ticking almost obsolete
16.15.34 #       <XavierGr> no that's different
16.15.42 #       <whatboutbob> oh...?
16.15.56 #       <XavierGr> amiconn's fix is always on
16.16.06 #       <whatboutbob> ahh.
16.16.06 #       <XavierGr> it is an optimization for h300s
16.16.23 #       <amiconn> There are 2 reasons why a remote might tick on a H300
16.16.47 #       <amiconn> One of the reasons is completely fixable with no performance penalty
16.16.55 #       <amiconn> This fix is always enabled
16.17.24 #       <amiconn> The other reason is the same as on H1x0, only that it occurs on a very small number of H300s
16.17.36 #       <amiconn> This needs the ticking reduction fix like on H1x0
16.18.38 #       <whatboutbob> amiconn: any chance you could explain the cause of it in simple terms without me wasting too much of your time?
16.19.54 #       <whatboutbob> reason i'm asking is i've now had 4 remotes and 4 h1x0's and i'm yet to strike upon a combo that's tick-free w/ rockbox.
16.20.31 #       <XavierGr> whatboutbob: is it tick free with iriver?
16.21.11 #       <whatboutbob> XavierGr: all but one remote...yeah...
16.21.21 #       <whatboutbob> at least to my ears.
16.21.40 #       <XavierGr> I have 4 h100 remotes 2 H100 and 1 H300 and all tick, except a specific 1 with H300 (without amiconns fix)
16.22.09 #       <XavierGr> after amiconn commited his fix H300 will not tick anymoer regardless the remote.
16.22.19 #       <XavierGr> H100 still needs the reduce ticking set to on.
16.22.52 #       <XavierGr> when set to on even on H100 I can't say for sure if I hear the tick or not. (placebo effect)
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16.23.04 #       <whatboutbob> (I'm using the reduce ticking, but the tick is still noticeable...but I'm using shure e3s)
16.23.21 #       <XavierGr> I use shure e2
16.23.43 #       <amiconn> Well, the option is called 'reduce ticking' for a reason
16.23.44 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i am using etymotic ER4 and i hear nothing
16.23.56 #       <Hansmaulwurf> and they are also in very high price class ;)
16.24.09 #       <amiconn> It's impossible to eliminate the H1x0 type of ticking
16.24.50 #       <Hansmaulwurf> whatboutbob: you hear the ticking when a song is playing?
16.24.56 #       <XavierGr> well I think that the ticking issue for irivers completed. Rockbox managed to get it as low as it could, the rest is iriver hardware dumbness.
16.25.10 #       <whatboutbob> amiconn: i *swear* i don't mean this to come off as whiny as it sounds...I'm just curious...but how come i can't notice it with the iriver f/w?
16.25.32 #       <whatboutbob> hansmaulwurf: through quieter stuff...yeah...
16.25.42 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i can hear it with iriver f/w
16.25.44 #       <XavierGr> whatboutbob: wow it ticks so much?
16.26.00 #       <amiconn> I don't know exactly. The ticking reduction is a tradeoff. The more we want to reduce ticking, the slower the remote lcd updates will become
16.26.11 #       <XavierGr> I ony test without music, because while playing I surely won't hear it
16.26.18 #       <Hansmaulwurf> me too
16.26.57 #       <whatboutbob> admittedly its far more noticeable during breaks between music (mid song and between songs)...
16.26.58 #       <XavierGr> either this, or whatboutbob has elephant's ears
16.27.00 #       * amiconn would like to see the waveform the iriver firmware generates, in conjunction with the update speed
16.27.16 #       <whatboutbob> amiconn: any way i can do this?
16.27.17 #       <XavierGr> ;P
16.27.31 #       <XavierGr> whatboutbob: record line out or the remote
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16.27.37 #       <XavierGr> i mean headphone out.
16.27.48 #       <XavierGr> but you can't really say the update rate.
16.28.08 #       <whatboutbob> XavierGr: That's the thing...I really don't consider myself 'golden-eared' or a particular audiophile...so i may just be going crazy.  who said that?!
16.28.08 #       <XavierGr> ah s/or/of
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16.28.21 #       <XavierGr> hehe
16.28.30 #       <XavierGr> whatboutbob: maybe you are just unlucky
16.29.07 #       <whatboutbob> but i swear its not placebo...i don't make a point of listening for the ticking...
16.29.34 #       <XavierGr> noone said you are crazy, calm down!!! :D
16.29.44 #       <whatboutbob> stop yelling at me!!!!!!!!!
16.29.48 #       <whatboutbob> :)
16.29.52 #       <XavierGr> lol
16.30.53 #       <whatboutbob> preglow/amiconn: a bucketload of tapers are jumping on the iriver/rockbox bandwagon now.  you can hold yourselves largely accountable.
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16.32.54 #       <XavierGr> Those that have an H100 are lucky. It seems the best choice for portable/quality recordings
16.33.03 #       <XavierGr> I am super lucky I got 2 of them :D
16.33.45 #       <Hansmaulwurf> hrhr yes, but my player needs a new battery
16.33.49 #       <Hansmaulwurf> or i buy the X5
16.34.01 #       <XavierGr> Hansmaulwurf: Buy a new battery.
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16.34.14 #       <XavierGr> They are cheap
16.34.20 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i propably will
16.34.37 #       <whatboutbob> the X5 does look nice tho...
16.34.59 #       <XavierGr> H300 looks nicer hehe....
16.35.02 #       <Hansmaulwurf> and it have a remote LCD and aint a apple product
16.35.12 #       <Hansmaulwurf> ;)
16.35.22 #       <XavierGr> exactly
16.35.34 #       <whatboutbob> just to clarify...when i say 'looks'...i don't mean the  aesthetics...i'm not an ipod owner. :)
16.35.35 #       <XavierGr> better an X5 than an iPod
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16.36.26 #       <XavierGr> hehe
16.36.44 #       <whatboutbob> xavierGr: I'm trying to talk myself out of getting a h3xx .
16.36.54 #       <whatboutbob> yes...i just admitted talking to myself...
16.37.06 #       <XavierGr> you mean to avoid buying it?
16.37.15 #       <whatboutbob> yeah
16.37.22 #       <XavierGr> I did that conversation with myself too. It's been a while
16.37.25 #       <whatboutbob> i don't need another damn dap.
16.37.31 #       <XavierGr> you ahve a valid point
16.37.36 #       <whatboutbob> but the colours look so purty.
16.37.37 #       <Hansmaulwurf> the only thing i miss from the iriver fw is mp3 recording
16.38.19 #       <Hansmaulwurf> if this would work on rockbox i would have a perfect player hardware with a perfect software
16.38.23 #       <whatboutbob> hans: bah, i've got a h120 dedicated to recording so i don't need mp3 rec.
16.38.29 #       <XavierGr> whatboutbob my thinking: I bought H300 as a buckup unit. The colour screen is very sweet, (though it consumes more) and the USB OTG with rockbox will be a *sweet*
16.39.09 #       <whatboutbob> is USB OTG really only useful for digi cameras and the like?
16.39.10 #       <Hansmaulwurf> and the USB OTG with rockbox will be a *sweet* <----- dreaming of real time TV over DVBT!!!!
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16.40.30 #       <XavierGr> on the flu plugin, playback from the removable storage, HID!!!!
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16.40.36 #       <Mikachu> on the flu? lol
16.40.40 #       <XavierGr> hehe
16.40.50 #       <XavierGr> I lost my words with my drooling
16.40.50 #       <Mikachu> next level of computer viruses
16.40.56 #       <whatboutbob> Xav: you can get shots for that sort of thing...
16.42.04 #       <whatboutbob> btw, if anyone wants to hear a rockbox h1xx optical recording and has bandwidth to spare: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22023
16.42.23 #       <XavierGr> what genre is it?
16.42.28 #       <whatboutbob> ben harper
16.42.44 #       <whatboutbob> folk/rock/pop
16.43.03 #       <Hansmaulwurf> yeah Ben Harper
16.43.10 #       * Hansmaulwurf starts downloading
16.43.36 #       <Hansmaulwurf> whatboutbob: get the live album "Live from Mars", its excellent
16.43.49 #       <whatboutbob> was not an ideal location in a huge arena, but i'm reasonably happy with how it turned out.
16.43.54 #       <XavierGr> who was the guy on rockbox foroums that recorded a church organ? That was amazing.
16.43.57 #       <whatboutbob> hans: got it
16.44.07 #       <whatboutbob> Xav: yeah, that was awesome...
16.44.42 #       <whatboutbob> was he the same guy that went around recording choral (ie church choir) music?
16.44.59 #       <Hansmaulwurf> whatboutbob: do i have to register to get the tracker?
16.47.04 #       <whatboutbob> hans: i believe so.
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16.54.02 #       <Hansmaulwurf> im planning to send the 3.0 announcement to heise.de when it is released, i hope Rockbox have enough bandwith
16.54.02 #       <Hansmaulwurf> :P
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17.00.00 #       <petur> the hardware hates me :/
17.00.40 #       * whatboutbob notes that petur's not very good at hiding...
17.01.30 #       <Hansmaulwurf> 3.0 will be released today?
17.01.33 #       <petur> I didn't hide, I just ran off
17.01.53 #       * whatboutbob notest that petur is very good at typing on the move...
17.01.54 #       <Hansmaulwurf> or is it called juneday now?
17.02.03 #       <XavierGr> ah so it wasn't a hide seek... so why did I count up to 10!
17.02.32 #       <XavierGr> Hansmaulwurf: No, I think today is not the day.
17.02.41 #       <XavierGr> maybe on 2nd of June
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18.02.09 #       <petur> things are worse than I imagined: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article621189.ece
18.04.34 #       <tucoz> like 'wag the dog'
18.05.12 #       <Febs> God, I am sick of people asking when Rockbox will be released.
18.05.12 #       <Febs> http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42442
18.05.34 #       <Febs> It's like riding in a car with small children in the back asking "are we there yet?" over and over again.
18.05.46 #       <XavierGr> hehe
18.05.47 #       <merbanan> Febs: are we there yet ?
18.06.15 #       <petur> [pop]
18.06.20 #       <whatboutbob> febs: how 'bout now?
18.06.28 #       <XavierGr> petur: you realised this now? This story is heard for 1 year now...
18.07.14 #       <whatboutbob> petur: yeah...colour me shocked...
18.07.38 #       <whatboutbob> US government releases propaganda?  What?!?!?!
18.07.47 #       <petur> news... as you knew it
18.08.29 #       <whatboutbob> one of the most eye-opening things I've done is travel through Canada, US, UK, Egypt & Australia immediately before, during and after the 'Gulf War 2'.
18.08.39 #       <petur> even intel seems to have done it...
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18.09.05 #       <whatboutbob> ...you wouldn't believe it was the same war based on the differing news coverage between countries...
18.09.23 #       <petur> news flash: two AMD servers overheated and were shut down. small print: this item was created by intel
18.10.37 #       <Febs> Well, that is the function of corporate media relations departments, after all.  They're not going to issue a press release that says, "we suck."
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18.13.43 #       <preglow> i don't get why people are so focused on a release, i thought everyone used dailies anyway
18.14.21 #       <whatboutbob> febs: yeah, but it seems somewhat dishonest of the broadcast media to remove any preface and claim 'reports' as their own.
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18.14.47 #       <ender`> what's a release? :)
18.14.52 #       <whatboutbob> preglow: didn't you hear?  3.0 will solve world debt.
18.15.11 #       <Febs> Well, likewise, it's wrong to include factually inaccurate material in a press release.
18.15.47 #       <Febs> But I've seen plenty of "news" articles that were simply verbatim reprints of a company's press release.
18.15.54 #       <preglow> whatboutbob: always knew i'd have a hand in that
18.16.09 #       <tucoz> As I follow the development of rockbox closely, I do not care about releases. But, for a lot of other programs I do not follow their development and tend to use whatever is availalble from the ubuntu repos. This might be the case for some people out there.
18.16.17 #       <preglow> god knows how many times i've uttered the word "good god, how i hate the media"
18.16.29 #       <preglow> s/word/phrase/
18.16.35 #       * whatboutbob counts the words in that sentence...
18.16.56 #       <tucoz> However, I do not think the people over at mr do _not_ follow rockbox development
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18.17.59 #       <tucoz> s/do/does
18.18.00 #       <whatboutbob> the print media's prolly even worse at that stuff...i guess its cheaper to put words to paper and send it off to 'em than to produce a 'VNR'
18.18.03 #       <Febs> tucoz, some do, some don't--it's pretty much the same on the RB forums.  Many people don't release that the *release* isn't going to give them anything new.
18.18.25 #       <Febs> And that it's the lifting of the feature freeze that they should be excited about (if they're looking for new features).
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18.19.12 #       <whatboutbob> I can def understand the security that people get out of a 'release' though.  They assume that it is a stable 'snapshot'.
18.20.18 #       <whatboutbob> there's a lot of fringe users out there that do just want something stable and aren't neccessarily after the latest and greatest...they're just looking for the 6 monthly upgrade that they know will be relatively bug-free.
18.20.20 #       <tucoz> Febs, JDGordons ideas on key-def's were something along the lines with your ideas. Maybe we could adopt that to the manual.
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18.21.37 #       <rconan> i imagine there are a lot of users without a compiler to hand to use the cvs version
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18.23.57 #       <piroko> speaking of which, where is the location of that handy script someone wrote to download and compile the arm-elf-gcc toolkit?
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18.25.22 #       <piroko> ah. nevermind. it comes in the sources
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18.26.06 #       <bk0> the biggest reason to do the release is to end the freeze.
18.27.01 #       <Febs> rconan, you don't need a compiler to use the CVS version.  There are new bleeding edge builds posted on each source code update.
18.27.20 #       <rconan> oh i hadnt noticed that
18.27.34 #       <rconan> i always compile my own stuff when im tracking the development anyway
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19.15.39 #       <newbyx86> tools/rockboxdedv.sh
19.15.41 #       <newbyx86> @ piroko
19.15.43 #       <newbyx86> damnit he left
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19.21.56 #       <markun> newbyx86: yes, and he already found it
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19.29.19 #       <ep0ch_> instead of missing the release deadline, why not release a rockbox 3.0 beta1?
19.30.36 #       <newbyx86> markun, mmk.
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19.44.59 #       <Hansmaulwurf> (ep0ch_) instead of missing the release deadline, why not release a rockbox 3.0 beta1? <-- i think the bleeding edge and daily builds are doing the same
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20.13.28 #       <preglow> Hansmaulwurf: what would the point be?
20.13.36 #       <preglow> Hansmaulwurf: we already have betas, on the daily build page
20.13.41 #       <preglow> ahh, yes
20.13.44 #       <preglow> i should read entire sentences
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20.22.53 #       <ep0ch_> well i was thinking that dailys are a bit too granular
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20.40.48 #       <BockBilbo> hello
20.40.49 #       <BockBilbo> :)
20.43.11 #       <BockBilbo> any of you has an iriver from the H series?
20.43.30 #       <BockBilbo> i've just read that it is possible to change its HD
20.43.44 #       <petur> yes
20.43.46 #       <BockBilbo> anyone knows about the truth of this fact?
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20.43.54 #       <thegeek_> check out the misticriver forum
20.43.59 #       <thegeek_> very easy to do
20.44.04 #       <BockBilbo> wow thats great
20.44.05 #       <BockBilbo> :)
20.44.12 #       <thegeek_> well
20.44.16 #       <BockBilbo> how much does a 80gb hd cost?
20.44.18 #       <thegeek_> new hd's are kinda expensive
20.44.22 #       <thegeek_> check out the forum
20.44.26 #       <thegeek_> links and stuff
20.44.35 #       <BockBilbo> oks
20.44.47 #       <BockBilbo> ive got another question, now related with rockbox
20.44.54 #       <petur> 80gb is still not available I think
20.45.06 #       <BockBilbo> mmm petur ive read on the wikipedia that it is..
20.45.12 #       <BockBilbo> anyway, gonna take a look at that forum
20.45.28 #       <petur> announced yes, but actually shipping?
20.45.35 #       * petur has another look
20.45.55 #       <BockBilbo> about the other question, any of you have tried to add the audioscobbler plugin to rockbox?
20.46.00 #       <BockBilbo> petur.. no idea
20.46.30 #       <obo> BockBilbo: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166 - there is another one linked in there as well
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20.47.04 #       <BockBilbo> obo, i already found that
20.47.35 #       <BockBilbo> but before compiling the whole rockbox myself, i wanted to know if it works good for you guys and the usual procedure that i would need to follow to send the data to last.fm
20.48.25 #       <obo> BockBilbo: at the moment it just logs to a file - the audioscrobbler guys are planning on adding support to the new beta client
20.48.32 #       <obo> no eta yet
20.51.19 #       <obo> although if it's going to be ages I might see about writing an uploader
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21.01.15 #       <BockBilbo> obo, and how do we do to upload the file to the server?
21.01.22 #       <BockBilbo> do we have to do it manually?
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21.05.44 #       <shrimants> are there any plans to add video support to rockbox for ipod?
21.06.14 #       <lukaswayne9> Hello!  I'm using an ipod video g5.  I'd like to keep the original firmware as my default boot option, how can I do that?  I see an image for the ipod color, but not for the video.  Can someone help me out here?
21.08.35 #       <markun> shrimants: noone has figured out how the chip works that does the video decoding
21.10.12 #       <markun> at least for the ipod video. Someone might write a video player that uses the CPU to decode the video.
21.10.17 #       <preglow> if you want retailos to boot by default, you need to modify the bootloader yourself
21.10.26 #       <dpro> lukaswayne9: IIRC there's a patched bootloader somewhere
21.10.42 #       <dpro> lukaswayne9: that will boot OF as the default
21.10.51 #       <lukaswayne9> dpro: I saw one, but it was for the ipod color, which I do not own :-\
21.10.56 #       <shrimants> but is it possible to use, say, ipod linux's bootloader to load either rockbox or the apple OS?
21.10.57 #       <markun> shrimants: if you are interested, look at the video section of the patch tracker
21.11.02 #       <dpro> ah ic
21.11.15 #       <shrimants> ...im sorry but that made no sense to me
21.11.23 #       <dpro> shrimants: you can use rb's for that too
21.11.29 #       * dpro triple boots
21.11.41 #       <lukaswayne9> preglow: I don't have a toolchain compiler available, is there a prepatched version available?
21.11.44 #       <Galois> the bootloader is one file. color and video are the same.
21.12.08 #       <lukaswayne9> Galois: I'll give that a shot
21.12.22 #       <shrimants> so i CAN have video, but i would have to use the bootloader or something else to pick the fw that can do it
21.12.24 #       <shrimants> right?
21.12.33 #       <shrimants> (it sucks being new)
21.13.09 #       <markun> shrimants: yes, booting into apples firmware would also work (if you have the ipod video)
21.13.28 #       <dpro> shrimants: exactly
21.13.43 #       <shrimants> i cow feel compelled to say, i love you guys
21.13.46 #       <shrimants> i now*
21.13.46 #       <lukaswayne9> Galois: why are there seperate bootloaders for the ipod color and ipod vidoe?
21.13.48 #       <shrimants> lol
21.13.55 #       <shrimants> thank you
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21.15.23 #       <dpro>  is there any work done on audio input support ?
21.15.35 #       <dpro>  for ipod that is ...
21.20.10 #       <preglow> feature freeze
21.20.36 #       <preglow> i think someone was workign on it, but i haven't heard anything about it since the feature freeze began
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21.23.29 #       <dpro> preglow: yeah ... wmcodec_enable_recording(bool source_mic) looks like a stub ...
21.24.10 #       * dpro goes and searches the ml archives
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21.30.07 #       <dpro> hmmm anyone knows where the datasheets for the ipod audio chips are ?
21.32.18 #       <Xinux> new yorks crime index is such bull
21.32.44 #       <Xinux> 597 murders a year, and they are below-average in crime
21.32.46 #       <davidc___> dpro: don't we wish :P
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21.34.41 #       <markun> dpro: ipod linux is a good source for info
21.34.56 #       <BockBilbo> is it possible to record from fm directly?
21.35.29 #       <Xinux> can i use my ipod to print money out ?
21.35.40 #       <Xinux> attach some kind of small printing device to it
21.35.58 #       <petur> BockBilbo: yes (depends on player)
21.36.01 #       * dpro slaps forehead
21.36.13 #       <BockBilbo> petur i have an iHP140
21.36.17 #       <dpro> markun: could've come up with that ;)
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21.37.03 #       <petur> BockBilbo: tune radio, start menu and go to recording, select line-in as source
21.37.46 #       <BockBilbo> petur, do you also have an iriver?
21.37.49 #       <petur> I think there may be an other way too
21.37.52 #       <petur> h340
21.38.48 #       <BockBilbo> mm i was about to ask you what theme were you using, but i think i cannot use any of yours
21.39.03 #       <linuxstb> dpro: Apart from the 3g and Mini, we don't have the actual datasheets for the ipod audio codec chips.  Which ipod do you have?
21.39.18 #       <linuxstb> (in fact, maybe not even for the mini...)
21.39.23 #       <petur> BockBilbo: I'm trying iCatcher atm
21.39.45 #       <petur> BockBilbo: it also has an h1x0 version
21.40.02 #       <BockBilbo> :)
21.40.14 #       <BockBilbo> by the way, on the recoding meu, i dont get line-in
21.40.22 #       <BockBilbo> i get mic, digital and analogic
21.40.33 #       <BockBilbo> (translated from spanish).. i guess its an issue with translation or so..
21.40.33 #       <petur> analog
21.40.41 #       <dpro> ok apparently there /should/ be code in ipl that records ...
21.40.53 #       <dpro> linuxstb: mini2g and video
21.41.01 #       <XavierGr> petur: now that you said iCatcher, I wonder if this theme will manage to be in 3.0
21.41.09 #       <petur> :D
21.41.13 #       <XavierGr> Where Cassandra is lost?
21.41.29 #       <_FireFly_> XavierGr: in outer space ;)
21.41.35 #       <BockBilbo> great, seens to work petur :)
21.41.53 #       <XavierGr> hehe
21.43.00 #       <BockBilbo> wow that iCatcher thing is great..
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21.43.18 #       <pronto> hey
21.43.28 #       <BockBilbo> sucks that the h140 doenst have a colour screen
21.43.28 #       <BockBilbo> :S
21.43.37 #       <XavierGr> It is a shame to release without it :(
21.43.58 #       <petur> BockBilbo: but you have digital in/out
21.44.14 #       <BockBilbo> petur, true... though i dont use it
21.44.19 #       <BockBilbo> what woud it be good for?
21.44.28 #       <petur> recording?
21.44.43 #       <BockBilbo> mm
21.44.51 #       <BockBilbo> in what scenario?
21.44.55 #       <petur> many audiophiles use the h1x0 for concert taping and good audio playback
21.44.59 #       <BockBilbo> i usually use the analog input
21.45.07 #       <petur> me too
21.45.13 #       <BockBilbo> mm interesting
21.45.14 #       <BockBilbo> :)
21.45.16 #       <petur> but some have higher standards ;)
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21.45.37 #       <BockBilbo> lol
21.46.00 #       <linuxstb> dpro: The mini2g doesn't support recording afaik, and IPL haven't implemented it for the 5g (again, afaik).
21.46.28 #       <BockBilbo> im trying to find the iCatcher theme for my player.. but cant find it, are you sure that such version exists?
21.46.59 #       <tom__> bah, rockbox reared its head
21.47.06 #       <tom__> I changed some tag cache thing and it won't boot now :\
21.47.42 #       <petur> BockBilbo: check the patch tracker
21.47.54 #       <BockBilbo> am
21.47.55 #       <BockBilbo> ok
21.47.58 #       <linuxstb> dpro: I was planning on working on ipod recording after 3.0, but I'ld be very happy if you beat me to it.
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21.49.02 #       <BockBilbo> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11577
21.49.09 #       <BockBilbo> mm dont like it for my device :(
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21.50.05 #       <petur> then check here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH100
21.50.49 #       <BockBilbo> i already checked that
21.50.52 #       <petur> I think 'retro' is cool
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21.51.06 #       <BockBilbo> ive made my kind of theme modifyin the rotator one
21.51.19 #       <petur> rotator is nice too
21.51.29 #       <BockBilbo> :)
21.51.49 #       <BockBilbo> is it possible to configure the recording format?
21.51.53 #       <petur> feel free to post you version there too (give credit where needed)
21.52.22 #       <petur> recording is only 44.4/16 only atm
21.52.39 #       <BockBilbo> but, i mean... mp3, wav
21.52.52 #       <BockBilbo> and the different mp3 bitrate
21.52.53 #       <petur> wav only, encoding is coming
21.53.07 #       <BockBilbo> ok
21.53.14 #       <BockBilbo> fine
21.53.25 #       <petur> mp3 encoding on a portable device may never get the quality a pc can give (cpu power)
21.53.32 #       <BockBilbo> i though it also encoded, as the iriver default firmware
21.53.34 #       <BockBilbo> i see
21.53.52 #       <BockBilbo> well i dont care alot about encoding, i dont usually record stuff
21.53.56 #       <petur> iriver mp3 encoding sucks, even at 320kbps
21.54.02 #       <BockBilbo> lol
21.54.44 #       <BockBilbo> ive got a silly question.. is rockbox better than ipod linux?
21.55.00 #       <petur> depends what you want
21.55.11 #       <BockBilbo> i see
21.55.18 #       <BockBilbo> oi havent get much into ipod linux
21.55.34 #       <BockBilbo> but i guess it's benefit is that it uses a linux kernel, right?
21.55.48 #       <petur> why?
21.55.49 #       <linuxstb> We don't see that as a benefit.
21.56.06 #       * petur wonders why they need to stuff thet linux kernel everywhere
21.56.11 #       <petur> *that
21.57.13 #       <BockBilbo> petur, it was just a guess
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21.59.47 #       <davidc___> petur: hey! :P
22.00.15 #       <petur> hmmm?
22.00.27 #       * davidc___ is from ipodlinux ;)
22.00.58 #       <davidc___> eh, both projects are really for different things.. rockbox is better as a general purpose MP3 player replacement
22.01.02 #       * petur is not so fanatic when it comes to OS and technology
22.01.19 #       <davidc___> ipodlinux is better when it comes to moving larger software across / apps / etc
22.02.33 #       <davidc___> because its more like a mainstream OS than rockbox
22.03.04 #       <davidc___> hwoever, rockbox is faster because its closer to the HW than ipl
22.03.19 #       <BockBilbo> davidc___, i see
22.03.38 #       <BockBilbo> thanks :)
22.04.35 #       <BockBilbo> whats the best voice file to use?
22.04.52 #       <linuxstb> davidc___: Did anything happen with your TV-out experiments the other night?  The logs were empty...
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22.09.50 #       <BockBilbo> petur, can you give me your opinion on the theme ive made?
22.09.53 #       <BockBilbo> im making an screenshot
22.14.07 #       <BockBilbo> petur, http://goikoetxeta.com/01.jpg
22.14.15 #       <davidc___> linuxstb: another project had a last minute issue
22.14.18 #       <BockBilbo> should i add something else?
22.14.19 #       <davidc___> linuxstb: couldn't get to it
22.14.27 #       <davidc___> linuxstb: paying work always seems to take precedence :(
22.14.40 #       * petur spots a theme that could use the margins patch ;)
22.15.18 #       <BockBilbo> mm that's basicly aproblem with the rotator theme
22.15.36 #       <BockBilbo> does that patch needs to recompile the whole rockbox?
22.15.50 #       <petur> yes
22.16.02 #       <BockBilbo> .. i might do it in 3 weeks
22.16.09 #       <BockBilbo> lol.. i was supposed to be studing right now
22.16.12 #       <petur> what's a partial recompile btw?
22.16.13 #       <BockBilbo> 8-)
22.16.21 #       <BockBilbo> mmm
22.16.47 #       <BockBilbo> will it take less than 15 minutes?
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22.17.31 #       <petur> if you have the build environment ready and the patch still applies cleanly: yes
22.17.44 #       <BockBilbo> mm
22.17.59 #       <BockBilbo> should i use the cvs sources?
22.18.28 #       <petur> what else...
22.18.36 #       <BockBilbo> ...
22.18.55 #       <BockBilbo> any other nice patch to apply?
22.20.27 #       <petur> dunno.
22.20.37 #       <petur> amiconn? preglow?
22.20.51 #       <BockBilbo> petur, which of these is the margin patch you were talking about? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=margin&type=4&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=&date=0
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22.21.24 #       <petur> Scrolling text margin for the wps
22.22.00 #       <Noah0504> I see the logo was changed in one of the last builds.
22.22.01 #       <petur> lucky you, it has been updated today
22.22.10 #       <Noah0504> For the iPod Video anyway.
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22.24.25 #       <midkay> what?
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22.24.55 #       <Noah0504> Huh?
22.25.07 #       <petur> heh?
22.25.07 #       <midkay> what logo has been changed?
22.28.21 #       <BockBilbo> petur, whats the proper way to apply a patch? patch <file.patch ?
22.28.46 #       <Mikachu> you may need -p0 or -p1
22.29.00 #       <Noah0504> The Rockbox logo.  I installed the latest build...
22.29.11 #       <Noah0504> The logo that you see when it loads.
22.29.17 #       <markun> Noah0504: what does it look like now?
22.29.17 #       <BockBilbo> but Mikachu is there any way to avoid questions?
22.29.23 #       <midkay> Noah0504, it hasn't been changed in.. like.. 4-5 months, i think.
22.29.34 #       <Mikachu> BockBilbo: ?
22.29.38 #       <BockBilbo> nevermind
22.29.50 #       <midkay> BockBilbo, how old was your build?! :)
22.29.53 #       <Noah0504> It shows a woman holding a audio player and it has Rockbox across it.
22.29.58 #       <BockBilbo> its new
22.30.03 #       <petur> wahaha
22.30.29 #       <midkay> how old was the one you upgraded from? i committed a 5G-sized logo on february 18th. :)
22.31.00 #       <BockBilbo> the one i had before is from yesterday's nightly build
22.31.09 #       <midkay> weird.
22.31.13 #       <midkay> what's different?
22.31.26 #       <tucoz> Noah0504, is that an experiental build perhaps?
22.31.31 #       <tucoz> experimental
22.32.01 #       <BockBilbo> midkay, on what? im just trying to make my own build so i  can add some features such as the audioscrobbler or the margin thing
22.32.10 #       <Noah0504> I don't know...maybe it was something else I added that changed it...
22.32.10 #       <midkay> my bad, i'm.. mixing people up. :)
22.32.17 #       <BockBilbo> thats what i though
22.32.18 #       <BockBilbo> ;)
22.32.23 #       <Noah0504> Check it out for yourself, haha, see if I'm wrong.
22.32.26 #       * midkay slips back into the shadows
22.32.38 #       <midkay> Noah0504, but what's different about it?
22.32.47 #       * petur puts on his torch
22.32.48 #       * midkay runs a cvs up
22.33.29 #       <Noah0504> midkay, Nothing that I can really tell...I haven't really messed around with it though.
22.34.03 #       <midkay> so the logo is different, but you can't really tell what's changed about it? or are you referring to the featureset/functionality of the daily build?
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22.37.01 #       <Noah0504> The latter.
22.37.28 #       <BockBilbo> is there any page with different equalizer preset files?
22.38.16 #       <Noah0504> ...or, does anyone have a nice preset that covers pretty much all music.  I've been looking for one of those.
22.38.17 #       <markun> BockBilbo: like 'rock' and 'jazz'?
22.38.39 #       <BockBilbo> yeah
22.38.42 #       <markun> Noah0504: depends on your headphones..
22.39.24 #       <markun> BockBilbo: Don't know why you think those are needed, but if you create them there are a few people in the forum (not me) that would be happy
22.39.40 #       <Noah0504> markun, Well, when I use my default iPod headphones, I just turn it off...but I have a nice set of home-theater headphones.
22.40.19 #       <BockBilbo> markun i was just asking for them because i think that sometimes they are useful, and so i dont need to create them myself
22.42.06 #       <Noah0504> Does anyone know if Rockbox will ever handle pictures better and even support video?
22.42.21 #       <markun> The only useful eq preset I can think of is the one for 'negerpunk' :)
22.42.57 #       <Noah0504> Actually, I know why it chokes when handeling my pictures...iTunes creates smaller files...mine are still fullsize.
22.43.05 #       <Noah0504> Eh, I should have realized that earlier.
22.43.06 #       <markun> Noah0504: we can only guess what the future will bring..
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22.43.17 #       <Noah0504> Well, then I'm guessing video!
22.43.18 #       <Noah0504> hehe
22.43.23 #       <markun> :)
22.44.24 #       <markun> I would like to work on video support after the gigabeat port is working
22.44.50 #       <Noah0504> What's gigabeat?
22.44.56 #       <Noah0504> *Googles*
22.45.17 #       <markun> Series of players by Toshiba
22.45.32 #       <Noah0504> Ahh, cool stuff.
22.45.36 #       <markun> We are working on rockbox for the F and X series: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo
22.46.56 #       <Noah0504> So, does each port have it's own features, or are they pretty much the same across each player?
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22.48.00 #       <petur> linuxstb: still adsl troubles?
22.48.21 #       <markun> Noah0504: rockbox uses the same high level code, but some features depend on the hardware (like recording, colour support etc)
22.48.34 #       <Noah0504> Gotcha
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22.50.43 #       <BockBilbo> is it possible to install rockbox on any archos mp3 player?
22.51.25 #       <petur> BockBilbo: rtfw (w = wiki) ;)
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22.51.48 #       <BockBilbo> lol
22.51.49 #       <BockBilbo> xD
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23.03.57 #       * petur calls for recording testers: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5457
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23.36.49 #       <Mikachu> wow, at the same time?
23.36.55 #       <midkay> yeah. believe it?
23.37.25 #       * Mikachu is in awe and cardiac arrest
23.37.29 #       <midkay> haha.
23.38.32 #       <sharpe> midkay!
23.38.41 #       <midkay> sharpe.
23.38.41 #       <midkay> :(
23.38.50 #       <sharpe> ohes noes?
23.39.00 #       <midkay> yeah.
23.39.09 #       <sharpe> still can't find those cds?
23.39.16 #       <midkay> ah, haven't been looking. :)
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23.39.20 #       <sharpe> heh
23.39.37 #       <midkay> *now* i'm getting angered over the bounce update i've been working on. something's not right..
23.40.07 #       <midkay> ah, w8.
23.40.34 #       * Mikachu sk8s and ber8s
23.40.47 #       <sharpe> i suppose it's a safe bet you haven't even touched the side port? :)
23.41.25 #       <midkay> haha.
23.41.30 #       <midkay> you shouldn't have trusted me with it.
23.41.39 #       <sharpe> lol
23.43.00 #       <sharpe> it's just a rough port of side, keeps the same way it does each frame and such, i'm planning on actually improving it.
23.43.50 #       <BockBilbo> bueno
23.43.57 #       <BockBilbo> thanks a lot
23.43.58 #       <BockBilbo> :)
23.43.59 #       <BockBilbo> bye!!!
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23.44.54 #       <markun> sharpe: what's side?
23.45.04 #       <sharpe> space invaders emulator
23.45.15 #       <sharpe> space invaders didactic emulator, as an acronym
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23.47.20 #       <sharpe> midkay! idea!
23.47.22 #       <sharpe> i have!
23.47.26 #       <midkay> whaT?!
23.47.38 #       <sharpe> remember the whole, uncompressed zip type thing?
23.48.04 #       <sharpe> lets implement zip compression!!
23.48.24 #       <midkay> ooh.
23.50.59 #       <sharpe> or something else.
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