--- Log for 02.06.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 months and 8 days ago 00.03.22 # * BHSPitMonkey burns a petur 00.03.40 # * petur hates the heat 00.04.00 # * BHSPitMonkey knows this 00.04.05 # * BHSPitMonkey continues 00.04.17 # * sharpe feels left out. sharpe goes off to code something. 00.04.19 Quit wooo () 00.04.58 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-54-164.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.05.28 # don't hate the heat 00.05.32 # i miss the damn bugger 00.06.10 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.07.33 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 00.07.42 # anyone present? 00.07.46 # when did midk quit? 00.08.02 # midkay? 00.09.11 Join PaulJam__ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3036.gwdg.de) 00.09.23 # 21:07 cst 00.09.55 Join tomzor [0] (i=Tom@81-6-224-154.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 00.10.12 # and 17:05 cst (again :) ) 00.10.22 # cst as in cest? 00.10.34 # no 00.10.36 # central standard time 00.10.42 # central waht?! 00.10.42 # :p 00.10.54 # US :P 00.10.56 Quit RedBreva ("Time for Tubby ByeBye") 00.11.12 # pff. :p 00.11.21 # such arrogant names on your time zones. 00.11.22 # :p 00.11.30 # 1 minute before you joined 00.11.36 # haha. 00.11.39 # how.. typical. 00.11.52 # <- cest btw 00.14.52 Join Rori [0] (n=me@host-87-74-27-3.bulldogdsl.com) 00.17.43 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 00.20.42 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.21.34 Nick PaulJam__ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3036.gwdg.de) 00.23.35 Quit Spiv (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.23.59 # PaulJam: sorry to hear about the UDA.... 00.25.37 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.29.36 # * Paul_The_Nerd sighs. 00.29.39 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.160.117.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 00.32.03 Quit tomzor (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.32.50 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 00.33.42 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.34.44 Join Spiv [0] (n=me@host-84-9-55-68.bulldogdsl.com) 00.38.28 Quit wooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.39.28 # Paul: What happened with your UDA? 00.39.34 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 00.39.42 Quit Rori (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.40.01 # * petur hands XavierGr some glasses 00.40.24 # Paul_The_Nerd != PaulJam 00.40.55 # oops 00.41.11 # I already wear glasses in order to see :p 00.42.47 Quit JBGood (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.42.48 # My sighs were about the fact that I just saw my first spam in the forum... and subsequently issued my first ban. 00.43.20 # I have 7 degress of myopia. 00.43.29 # and i have beer! 00.43.30 # you'll get used to it 00.43.40 # Paul: You did the right thing. Good job. 00.44.12 # Well, it was two and a half pages of advertisement for buying and selling cellphones, and an email address... It was a little bit more than simply "off topic" :) 00.44.31 Mode "#RockBox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 00.44.34 # anyway what happened to PaulJam's UDA? Broke? 00.44.40 Mode "#RockBox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) 00.44.42 # floops 00.45.27 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4584.0 00.45.30 # preglow: why, get an OP. You should see the MR channel. 7 ops out of 8 people. 00.45.43 # LOL and they were kicking each other! 00.45.52 # XavierGr: the volume on the right channel is very low and niosy 00.46.00 # mr channel? 00.46.31 # preglow: misticriver channel 00.46.48 # there is one? 00.47.58 # yes at zuh.net 00.48.08 # wow, over 1000 nicks in #ubuntu 00.48.42 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc67143207026.direcpc.com) 00.48.46 # PaulJam: Damn sorry to hear that! I remeber one guy managed to resolder a new UDA, after that his unit was like new. 00.48.54 # BHSPitMonkey: #ubuntu is hell 00.49.06 # BHSPitMonkey: i've tried asking for something at least a dozen times, i've never had a reply 00.49.07 # well, I'm not a fan of crowded chats 00.49.09 # PaulJam: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4433.0 (at the bottom) 00.49.21 # preglow: how bout you get up and JFGI? 00.49.23 # ;) 00.49.54 # BHSPitMonkey: this one is getting crowded too 00.49.55 # jfgi?? 00.50.02 # ahaha 00.50.03 # right 00.50.06 # :) 00.50.09 # i googled that 00.50.12 # this is crowded, but mostly idling 00.50.13 # which is a bit ironic :P 00.50.31 # scrolling is annoying, not necessarily the population 00.51.05 # but anywho 00.51.08 # gotta bed 00.51.10 # have fun 00.51.30 # bye, gnight 00.52.25 # nite 00.54.13 Quit jbauman (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.55.20 # Y'know, at this very moment, I think if I had one wish, it would be that when people said "Freezing" they meant "The player ceases to respond" rather than what seems to be an almost equally common case "the music skips" 00.55.52 # i think of freezing in the first sense... 00.56.57 # To me freezing definitely means a cease of responsiveness for a generally decent period of time, if not permanently. 00.57.30 # A half-second skip in music every 15 seconds is not, to me, "freezing" but it seems to be to a lot of people, creating general confusion when people chime in saying "I have the same problem" 00.57.58 Quit Kohlriba ("Hello my name is CoolClonk .") 00.58.25 # skipping is addressed in the FAQ, is it not? 00.58.45 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.58.47 # i've had a freeze about a week ago - first the player went nuts (started skipping songs for a few seconds), then it froze, and i had to borrow a paperclip to reset it 00.59.04 # sharpe: Definitely. I put it there myself. 00.59.22 # heh 00.59.39 # I mean it's possible someone snuck in and removed it simply to thwart me, but I honestly find that conclusion unlikely at best. 00.59.51 Quit newbyx86 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.00.07 # just like my undetected removal of the ipod's 1.2ghz processor possiblility. muahaha. 01.01.04 Quit ender` (" Read what I mean, not what I write.") 01.01.11 # wha... 01.01.55 # "Is "No File" error related to headphone detection?" i know it's about the playback, but it just sounds kind of like a redundant question... sort of... in my own sense. 01.02.04 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.02.10 # IMHO there should be a sticky in forums saying: Alwasy carry a paperclip while using Rockbox :p 01.02.11 # er, whatever the person's question was. 01.02.14 # or probelm. 01.02.16 # problem. 01.02.18 # i'll stop now. 01.05.00 # i just need to find something to keep me occupied. 01.05.10 # * Paul_The_Nerd points to the list of bugs in the tracker. 01.05.41 # * sharpe refers to the fact that most of the bugs are due to something he doesn't have knowledge of, and when they are, they're for a player other than the one he uses. 01.06.02 Part stripwax 01.06.20 # Just because you don't have the player, doesn't mean you can't figure out where the code is doing something wrong. 01.06.38 # i know, but it gives me a reason to not try to fix bugs. :) 01.06.45 # A clearly transparent one. 01.07.07 # yes. 01.07.09 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc67143207026.direcpc.com) 01.07.11 # Do not complain of needing to keep occupied until you're willing to do ANYTHING to keep occupied. :-P 01.07.20 # heheh 01.07.59 # sharpe: what about SIDE? 01.08.09 # You promised to make a patch... 01.08.24 # there's still that one problem, and i can't figure it out. midkay hasn't taken a look at it either. 01.08.36 # like it's my responsibility. :) 01.08.39 # :) 01.08.49 # ah so midkay has to source? 01.08.55 # to = ther 01.09.02 # argh 01.09.04 # aye, you want it? :) 01.09.05 # your port, your patch, your code.. i don't really plan on looking at it. :) 01.09.06 # I mean the 01.09.31 # sharpe: is it on a rockbox compatible state? 01.09.46 # ... yes... 01.09.52 # then sure 01.10.07 # email? or something else? or what? 01.10.13 # Y'know you could always post it to the tracker with a note "Has X bug still" 01.10.28 # yeh, but it's not too much of use then. 01.10.34 # email it at at g mail . com 01.10.40 # ah. 01.10.41 # Someone else might fix the bug, or figure it out, though 01.10.45 # yes, i know. 01.11.02 # I agree with Paul_The_Nerd. It doesn't matter if it has a major bug. 01.11.12 # 's what the patch tracker is _for_ :-P 01.11.18 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.11.29 # agreed, but i personally also do not really like doing that. :) 01.11.39 # "Feature Request: Someone fix it for me! Incomplete Space InvaDers Emulator." 01.11.44 # tis sent! 01.11.56 # it just feels weird.. dunno.. not finishing something and posting it, or even "letting people mess with it before it's done".. 01.11.58 # then that makes me sound kind of... weird... 01.12.45 # i agree with midkay on said things... 01.13.06 # just opinion/personal decision, of course.. 01.13.11 # not something i like to do, though. 01.14.13 # oh, and you should be able to figure out where the rom is needed to be placed. 01.16.38 # ok 01.17.23 Join Tom_ [0] (n=Tom@81-6-224-154.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 01.17.37 # uses the same rom as SIDE does, and i just roughly ported things, so it isn't the fastest of everything. 01.18.26 # thanks for sending it, I will look to it when I feel like it... 01.18.52 # you're welcome 01.19.46 # hahaha Grumpy ol' Paul_The_Nerd :p 01.19.57 # and thanks for that remote possibility of looking at it. heheh... 01.21.51 # ah 01.21.52 # idea 01.21.53 # ! 01.22.08 # I figure I deserve 1 grumpy post for ever 100 good ones. 01.22.14 # By that, I think I'm still owed about 15 grumpy ones. 01.22.29 # you have all the rights 01.22.36 # and one spiteful ban for every 1000 nice posts. 01.23.15 # There is actually only one person on the whole forum that I just have an irrational urge to ban. 01.23.25 # ah, who would that be? 01.23.31 # I mean, not counting the spammer and stuff like that, as those are not only rational but valid reasons to ban someone 01.23.35 # Man, I'm not telling who it is. 01.23.44 # oooh. 01.23.52 # yay! witchhunt! 01.24.05 # * ashridah gets out the trial manual 01.24.11 # obligatory quote, "we found a witch, may we burn her?" 01.24.19 Join webguest85 [0] (n=425d0cd3@labb.contactor.se) 01.24.52 # As I said, it's a totally irrational urge. It's a "This person irritates me, for a variety of small repetitive reasons" 01.24.59 # heh... 01.25.06 # aah yeah. you run into people who do that from time to time. 01.25.18 # ah, the consequences of being nice. 01.25.23 # Though, oddly enough, I have a 100% valid reason to delete his account and prevent him from registering again for a short period, but it'd be somewhat petty to do so. 01.25.49 # but, my idea is one of... kind of... not greatly useful. 01.25.53 # my personal favorite was the guy who claimed "yeah, but getting n^2 complexity is 'good enough'" simply because he took the computing theory lecturer literally 01.26.33 # Hehehe 01.26.41 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.26.51 # Man, people who trust lecturers... what can you do with 'em? 01.27.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: well, he failed to consider that the operation needed to happen within a threashold of time, a few hundred times a second :) 01.27.28 # what was the operation? 01.27.49 Quit lodesi_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.28.02 # sharpe: an algorithm for ensuring that cars and reservations fit together. turned out to be NP-complete, nothign we could do about it in the end 01.28.11 # ah. 01.28.34 # darnit. 01.28.38 # * ashridah must head to uni 01.28.42 # :s 01.28.48 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 01.29.04 Part Paul_The_Nerd 01.29.10 # ohes noes. 01.29.17 # hmmm on the fly gain isn't always without danger: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/recglitch3.png 01.29.32 # ooh. 01.32.15 Quit Spiv (Nick collision from services.) 01.32.33 # i think i'll go play some games. then work on something. 01.32.52 Join Rori [0] (n=me@host-84-9-55-68.bulldogdsl.com) 01.45.36 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa68.13.tellas.gr) 01.46.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.48.46 # amiconn: still around 01.52.16 # * petur is off to bed 01.52.24 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 01.55.29 Quit wooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.56.14 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 01.59.33 Part midkay ("Leaving") 02.20.20 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.25.38 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.223.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 02.27.04 Part pixelma 02.28.17 Join Aditya|Nap [0] (n=aditya@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 02.36.44 Part Aditya|Nap 02.45.59 Quit Prot (Client Quit) 02.55.21 Join Kratos [0] (n=Lorenzo@c-24-127-182-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 02.57.00 Quit Tom_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.57.10 Quit webguest85 ("CGI:IRC") 03.05.58 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.16.55 Join earHertz [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-30-242-135.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 03.17.43 # for the arm-elf toolchaion, how do I compile crt0.o, the c runtime library? 03.23.52 # wouldn't it already be compiled, if it's an object? 03.24.05 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 03.25.17 # yeah, but it's not needed for rockbox 03.25.26 # oh. 03.25.29 # righto. 03.25.49 # rockbox isn't a "hosted implementation", that is, there's no expectation of a the standard C lib. 03.25.58 # i know... 03.26.03 # we have parts of the lib, to make life weasier, but not the whole thing 03.28.43 # bebian doesn't know about bunzip2?? 03.35.49 # bebian? lol 03.40.16 # * earHertz can't type 03.46.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.49.42 Join {EDF}SS2 [0] (n=SS@toronto-HSE-ppp4069764.sympatico.ca) 03.52.02 # ipod big endian or little? 03.53.01 # big 03.53.06 # tanks 03.53.34 # ipod MMU? 03.53.53 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 03.54.07 # you mean, if it has one? or... 03.54.11 # yah 03.54.16 # i believe so... 03.54.19 # thaks 03.54.40 Join sheeep [0] (n=sheeep@83-70-87-190.b-ras1.mvw.galway.eircom.net) 03.55.17 # linuxstb, amiconn, or preglow any of you interested in a 2nd Gen iPod? 03.56.03 # what about sharpe? ;) 03.56.22 # I was told to ping those three via IRC 03.56.26 # so I am 03.56.28 # :-) 03.56.34 # i know 03.56.38 # i was just kidding... 03.56.42 # NP 03.56.45 Join sheeeep [0] (n=534657be@labb.contactor.se) 03.57.30 Part sheeeep 03.59.30 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 04.03.33 Quit {EDF}SS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.03.45 Join {EDF}SS [0] (n=SS@Toronto-HSE-ppp3656454.sympatico.ca) 04.05.04 Quit sheeep () 04.12.50 Join jimstr978 [0] (n=watabird@modemcable174.206-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) 04.18.49 Join Falco98 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-024-088-106-250.sc.res.rr.com) 04.18.57 Quit Daishi (Remote closed the connection) 04.19.52 # * Falco98 sighs heavily 04.20.22 # is there documentation about how to write rockbox plugins? 04.20.40 # i'd like to read that. 04.20.47 # yes http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins 04.21.07 Quit {EDF}SS2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.21.09 # how aptly named... 04.21.14 # lol 04.21.15 # thanks :) 04.23.31 # * aghaster begins to read 04.24.32 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]") 04.25.50 # anyone else usig teh vmware debian for rockbox? 04.26.42 Quit hardeep ("[BX] We drink more beers than Norm on Cheers!") 04.30.55 # earHertz: why not real linux? 04.31.04 # * aghaster runs linux gentoo 04.31.15 # btw the rockboxdev.sh tool is very handy 04.31.24 # anyone else running "teh" spell checker? 04.31.34 # Because windows xps works, and linuxes seem to have ugluier fonts. 04.31.40 # xchat doesn't let me type t.e.h. 04.31.41 # lol 04.31.48 # HAHA 04.31.54 # me neither 04.31.56 # hence the quotes 04.32.06 # well, sorry to tell you fonts can be changed and customized? 04.32.14 # anyway, i gotta go. 04.32.17 # good night 04.32.27 # nite 04.32.38 # I mean, what with cygwin and knoppix and the vmplayer, I've warmed up to linux a lot. and prefer it for writing code. But... windows I'm used to. 04.32.50 # make the big jump. i did. 04.32.55 # i feel happy now 04.32.55 # lol 04.33.03 # earHertz: then use linux with KDE to start off with, you'll feel at home :P 04.33.17 # why jump when I canhavd the best of both? 04.33.18 # err, KDE 04.33.20 # i run gnome 04.33.46 # similarly-located items, comparable bloat, resource hog... you'll forget you're in linux ;) 04.34.18 # and you'll significantly reduce warez usage XDF 04.34.22 # ok, recommaned a vmplayer linux with a big roomy disk 04.34.27 # (don't tell me you run legal vmware?) 04.34.39 # " why jump when I canhavd the best of both?" <-- sorry, but what's the "best" of windows? 04.34.42 # the legal player, not the costly workstation 04.34.49 # ok 04.34.51 # aghaster: vmware's kinda free 04.34.59 # ah? 04.35.02 # player and server beta 04.35.06 # somebody forgot to told me that. 04.35.06 # lol 04.36.06 # windows is definitly not a system for a hacker anyway. 04.36.15 # unless you are a warez monkey 04.36.25 # which i don't consider to be a hacker :P 04.36.33 # all my softwarwe is legal, and most is Open source 04.36.45 # thats good 04.37.02 # but your OS isn't :P feel free to experience real freedom 04.37.23 # anyway, good night. 04.37.28 # night ;) 04.40.30 # if fonts is your main reason for using windows, try http://corefonts.sf.net/ 04.41.45 # thanks. But it's not just fonmts, honestly, it's that windows is what I'm confortable with. and with cygwin amd vmware, why choose only one OS? 04.42.43 # I do more or less the opposite, linux is my main system and I use rdesktop.sf.net for windows 04.43.27 # whatever works best for you 04.43.50 # i use teh windows... 04.49.00 Quit {EDF}SS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.49.09 # of course, i get no response. 04.50.45 # you are not 1337 04.50.48 # ;) 04.51.33 # meh... 04.54.34 Join {EDF}SS [0] (n=SS@Toronto-HSE-ppp3656454.sympatico.ca) 05.00.06 # * Falco98 passes a mailbox every day with big white numbers on it reading "1337" 05.00.34 # Basements have their own mailboxes now? 05.01.04 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD0A6E3.ipt.aol.com) 05.01.19 # earHertz: why not run windows inside a virtual machine in linux? 05.02.27 # Because of legal issues: since windows isn't free and neitehr is vm workshop, I'd need to eiterh purchase workshop of somwehoow give my authorized copy of windowws to someone who hhas it. Too much trouble. 05.02.55 # basements? 05.03.21 # jokre 05.03.24 # oh i get it, you're implying that i live only in a basement. heh. 05.03.32 # geeljks living in tyheir mothers' basements 05.03.45 # no, that the person with teh mailbox does 05.03.52 # did you just pass out on the keyboard? 05.04.10 # i type basdly 05.04.18 # I believe you 05.05.12 # That's why I prefer emasil to irc 05.05.45 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 05.09.45 # g'night everyone. 05.09.52 # aight bye 05.09.56 # night 05.13.41 # WOOOO 05.14.55 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 05.15.41 Quit {EDF}SS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.16.27 Join {EDF}SS [0] (n=SS@bas2-london14-1167881430.dsl.bell.ca) 05.17.13 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.29.15 Join saab_rider [0] (n=dddf6518@labb.contactor.se) 05.29.16 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 05.29.45 # good morning everyone 05.30.15 # markun: hi markun, been a long time! 05.30.28 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 05.30.53 # anyone in the mood to help me with cygwin? 05.32.11 # saab_rider: what's the prob? 05.33.09 # earHertz: Hi! this is the second time I install cygwin, and I'm facing the same problem I had last time, only I can't remember the soloution :P 05.33.30 # and the machine with my first install died :) 05.34.00 # ok, what's the problem? 05.34.29 # basically, I installed cygwin, but don't know how to start it... some sort of problem with "bash" 05.34.58 # what happens when you click the icon? 05.35.22 # 'bash' is not recognized as an internal or external command, 05.35.55 # that's what I get when I try to run cygwin from the command propmpt 05.36.09 # yeah, it's not pathed 05.36.16 # run it from the cygwin icon 05.36.46 # when I run it from the icon, it momentarely opens the cmd then closes 05.36.49 # or( it's teh same thig), run c:\cygwin/cygwin.bat 05.37.09 # ok, try the cygwin.bat form the cmd line 05.37.55 # that is what I did, and I got the message about bash 05.38.58 # from the dos command line, chdir to c:\cygwin\bash 05.39.09 # do a dir, see what's in there 05.40.29 # er4, I mean, c:\cygwin\bin 05.40.51 # h 05.40.53 Part Paul_The_Nerd 05.41.41 # ok, then? 05.41.51 # is there a bash.exe in there? 05.42.25 # nope :( 05.43.01 # ok, that's a problem 05.43.36 # reinstall cygwin 05.44.44 # bare with me, could copying a bash.exe file into the directory solve it? 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I know it sounds silly 05.44.59 # who knows what else is missing 05.45.06 # do a complete reinstall 05.45.19 # ok.. 05.46.29 # and I've got to go. ask in #cygwin 05.46.37 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.46.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.48.42 Quit Xinux ("Bye") 05.48.48 Nick daurn|afk is now known as daurn|laptop (i=daurnscr@unaffiliated/daurn) 05.48.48 DBUG Enqueued KICK daurn|laptop 05.49.30 # earhertz: thanks a lot! 05.49.31 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp127-124.adsl.forthnet.gr) 05.52.09 Join oggb4mp3_ [0] (n=oggb4mp3@amarok/livecd/oggb4mp3) 05.56.04 Quit saab_rider ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.57.12 Quit oggb4mp3_ (Remote closed the connection) 06.07.22 # .. 06.11.36 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 06.15.56 Quit Kratos (Remote closed the connection) 06.22.13 Part Paul_The_Nerd 06.27.13 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzz") 06.39.58 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 06.46.14 # just installed rockbox on 5th gen ipod.. im upping music to try it out 06.47.00 # this thing seems to owns.. 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09.46.17 # what about the native port of rockbox for the chinese device ? 09.46.44 # any news ? 09.46.45 # nothing new there 09.46.50 # :/ 09.47.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.47.50 # B4gder: nice progress with sandisk 09.47.56 # indeed 09.48.05 # it'll be very interesting 09.49.39 Join extintor [0] (n=lowe@213.114.202.90) 09.50.06 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.50.32 Quit {EDF}SS2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.04.00 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 10.04.00 # * preglow prays harder for portalplayer docs 10.04.58 # hehe 10.07.16 # pp5024 looks similar to the other pp502x, at least 10.10.53 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-64-41.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.11.26 # B4gder: is it still just the initial contact with sandisk ? 10.11.39 # no, its proceeding 10.11.52 # they're gonna send us stuff 10.12.28 # or rather send it to me 10.12.30 # what kind of device was that? 10.12.39 # sandisk sansa e200 10.12.56 # real nice, is there any more public inforamtion about that ? 10.13.30 # about their offer or the player you mean? 10.13.38 # their offer 10.13.39 # what's that microSD anyway, something superduper-expensive and limited-capacity compared to standard SD? 10.13.43 # B4gder: 2GB is the smallest they have, right? 10.13.59 # crwl: micro-SD is a "standard" memory card 10.14.05 # super small 10.14.10 # 15x11 mm 10.14.42 # merbanan: I haven't made much more public yet, as I prefer to see what they actuall send me until I do that 10.14.48 # B4gder, ah, ok. doesn't seem to be even too expensive 10.15.22 # a micro-SD is about 1/4 of the size of a regular SD 10.15.36 # B4gder: ok 10.15.59 # B4gder: oh, do tell! 10.16.01 # I wonder if you will receive the US version (with FM tuner) 10.16.25 # or give a mailing list reference 10.16.30 # dwihno: we're in contact with SanDisk USA and they have expressed a desire to see Rockbox ported to their Sansa e200 players 10.17.01 # B4gder: aha! interesting! 10.17.11 # its only on the committers list so far (== not publicly disclosed) 10.18.19 # have they told you why there's interest in rockbox? 10.18.27 # I mean, they already got their own fw for the sansa... 10.18.51 Join qwx__ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 10.18.56 # "We specifically like the expanded format supports and *gapless playback**/**crossfading* features." 10.20.20 # One of my favorite rockbox things has to be the buffer system 10.20.31 # also wps and fonts is really nice 10.21.17 # i wonder if they've got a failproof system like apple and iaudio 10.21.38 # I think they have 10.21.48 # then hooray 10.21.57 # I read that Rasterman (of Enlightenment) is working with Neuros to create a super slick UI for their new device 10.22.24 # just a question about mp3 playback 10.22.42 # preglow: "failproof"? 10.22.47 # markun: yeah, shows their focus... 10.22.48 # did anyone evaluate other fixedpoint decoders then libmad ? 10.22.53 # merbanan: i did 10.22.58 # and the real one 10.23.12 # http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/cf-mpegdec_rockbox.tar.gz 10.23.16 # i adapted that to rockbox 10.23.23 # but i was poorer quality and not too fast anyway 10.23.30 # B4gder: Well, not much else they can work on as they are using closed source codecs. 10.23.37 # true 10.23.48 # and btw 10.23.59 # we're still listed to receive dev boards from them 10.24.13 # closed source codecs???? 10.24.16 # yeah 10.24.19 # that marks my total disinterest, then 10.24.25 # but 10.24.32 # I'm only interested in that to run rockbox on it 10.25.07 # will the main core still be good enough to decode data without the dsp? 10.25.11 # yes 10.25.21 # its way fast 10.25.22 # hrhrm, ok 10.25.30 # preglow: did you test the ffmpeg one also ? 10.25.37 # they don't decode audio with dsp at all, afaik 10.25.38 # merbanan: no, is it fixed point 10.25.39 # ? 10.25.44 # yes 10.25.44 # merbanan: also, does it support layer1/2 ? 10.25.50 # yes 10.25.56 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.25.59 # merbanan: then that sounds very interesting... 10.26.15 # B4gder: do they use it at all, then? 10.26.21 # video! 10.26.30 # TV-out full framrate video 10.26.35 # i thought some models wouldn't have video 10.26.45 # yes, but they still use the same arch 10.27.04 # merbanan: i can't access their cvs now... 10.27.18 # that's coz it retired 10.27.21 # god, how much audio fun i could squeeze out with a dsp chip 10.27.26 # get the svn 10.27.41 # however, the dac is controlled by the DSP 10.27.52 # so there needs to be _some_ dsp in the audio-only one too 10.27.57 # I mean some dsp magic 10.28.00 # merbanan: right, i can't browase it anymore? 10.28.23 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.28.25 # i'd be more than happy to dive into dsp code if it's at all possible, which i guess it isn't 10.28.31 # 5 band eq is peanuts for one of those things 10.28.44 # merbanan: Do you know the status of the ffmpeg AAC decoder? Is a fixed-point version planned? 10.29.04 # preglow: no docs for the chip but there's an assembler available... :-/ Neuros are gonna provide the dsp code as a binary blob to be loaded by the cpu side 10.29.16 # lucky us 10.29.22 # bloody retard ti 10.29.31 # do they think their competitors don't know how their chips work? 10.30.18 # linuxstb: the aac decoder is part of ffmpeg SoC, I'll try to convice the mentor to add that requirement 10.30.43 # merbanan: Cool. We should definitely try to get Rockbox in the SoC next year. 10.30.57 # preglow: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ffmpeg/trunk/ 10.30.57 # nice idea 10.31.07 # and i think we'd be allowed in pretty easily 10.31.21 # And then I need to persuade my employer to let me go back to University... 10.31.26 # merbanan: doesn't work here 10.31.34 # yeah, Rockbox on SoC would be great 10.31.58 # I envy the project I'm in that get a whole slew of ambitious guys jumping into new projects 10.32.24 Quit mirak (Connection timed out) 10.32.25 Nick qwx__ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 10.32.30 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.32.37 # preglow: works for me, try to checkout the svn 10.32.57 # but i think rockbox on soc would be very probably to happen if we aplied 10.32.58 # applied 10.33.08 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 10.33.43 # preglow: sure look at some the current organizations 10.34.11 # but I don't know how to apply 10.34.16 # rockbox would be more then qualified 10.34.27 # B4gder: try next year 10.35.26 # well, I did casually check for how to apply already this year 10.35.51 # but failed 10.37.10 # The codec work for ffmpeg could be nice for us too 10.37.34 # we would need volunteers for mentoring 10.37.48 # merbanan: ah, you just posted that.. 10.38.50 # B4gder: http://code.google.com/soc/studentfaq.html#timeline 10.40.35 # what, mentoring orgs get paid too??? 10.40.45 # preglow: yes 10.40.54 # cool 10.41.02 # 500$ minus taxes 10.41.13 # i would have thought bunches of new code would be payment enough :) 10.45.50 # well you can say no to the money if you want 10.46.14 # No, beer money is good.... 10.46.56 # I would have expected that answer to come from preglow :p 10.53.57 # preglow: eq in 50 steps per octave from 20Hz to 20kHz is about 500 steps, will that be good enough? 11.02.54 # preglow was away 11.03.33 # markun: depends what you want to do 11.03.50 # for ordinary eq use, probably, to block out an annoying overtone, probably not 11.09.00 # anyway, i'm not going to code that 11.09.16 # 50 steps per octave is probably more than enough 11.09.45 # something around 40 steps might be better 11.09.55 # it would also mostly avoid fractional values 11.11.04 # btw, any advancement on the partymode talk ? 11.12.54 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 11.17.12 # markun: sounds like some new settings code would be required for something like that 11.17.16 # markun: but be my guest :) 11.17.26 # i'd consider that change for 3.0 for sure 11.17.42 # linear freq range with no acceleration is most certainly a bug/annoyance/quirk 11.20.42 # and the lower frequency range is too small, that's for sure 11.20.48 # never thought about it since i never use it ;) 11.23.17 # to ppl interrested by "party mode" ucan look at my first ideas about that here -> http://honeypot.atspace.com/partymode.TXT 11.24.38 # it's not a real request for the moment, it's more an idea to keep in mind for the future versions of rockbox ( V4, V5 ;) ) 11.26.46 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45765.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.27.22 # preglow: there seem to be one float array still in the code, but otherwise fixedpoint 11.28.26 # but only in the init 11.30.11 # preglow: I also don't use the EQ :) 11.31.14 # I wonder what would be the qualifier for whenever the 4.0 release is? 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Official multi-codec video support? 11.31.57 # 4.0 will make a coffe 11.32.01 # e 11.33.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: whats needed for video is a well optimized small screen codec 11.34.40 # multi format sound to much, most people recode their videos anyway 11.36.07 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.36.45 # merbanan: Not sure if you noticed my post to ffmpeg-devel list a few months ago asking for suggestions for the most suitable video codec for Rockbox to support - Michael Niedermayer suggested MPEG-1. 11.37.42 Quit rconan (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 11.37.46 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.43.36 # i'd also suggest that 11.43.36 # linuxstb: yes, I saw that, mpeg-1 sounds like a good candidate 11.43.37 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.43.45 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 11.45.47 Join weyer [0] (n=weyer@kotnet-147.kulnet.kuleuven.be) 11.46.00 Quit Acksaw (Client Quit) 11.47.03 # i have a question. will rockbox installation work on a native gentoo64 box? (i don't have 32bit chroot available) 11.47.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.47.11 # it's for the ipod mini 11.47.31 # should 11.47.42 # i use an athlon64 as my main development platform 11.47.46 # the gcc command won't build a 64bit binary? 11.47.49 # ubuntu, though 11.47.50 # sure 11.47.54 # 64 bit gcc and all 11.47.58 # super 11.48.45 # If you just want to install Rockbox, you don't need to compile it yourself though - there are binaries on the website which are automatically built after every CVS change. 11.48.45 # i'll give it a shot then 11.48.53 # ah 11.49.12 # the manual starts with the source, that's why i wondered 11.49.29 # The only issue is the "ipod_fw" installation tool. 11.49.39 # (you'll need to get the source and compile that yourself) 11.49.49 # It's just a single C file though. 11.50.11 # ah, i thought that was roxbox software itself 11.50.29 # Which instructions are you following? 11.50.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux 11.51.45 # That's fine. But yes, it's just the ipod_fw tool you need to compile yourself. The rest of that page refers to pre-built binaries which you install on your ipod. 11.51.52 # indeed 11.52.05 # thnx for the info 11.56.33 Quit anathema (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.57.03 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 11.57.40 Part Paul_The_Nerd 11.59.19 # hmm, how do i find out if i have a first or second generation ipod mini? :-) 11.59.35 # Does it have the disk size written on the back? 11.59.59 # not that i can find 12.00.06 # Then it's a first gen. 12.00.11 # k 12.00.42 # But no harm should come if you install the wrong version - it just won't work. 12.01.02 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 12.01.03 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 12.01.06 # k 12.01.14 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 12.01.26 # then i'll go for 2de generation, 'cos the apple site says only 2d generation had firewire support 12.01.38 # and i had a firewire cable when i bought it ... 12.02.01 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 12.02.40 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 12.02.40 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.02.50 # petur: Now I'm here... 12.03.18 # weyer: I've never heard that. From the ipodlinux wiki (describing the 2nd gen mini): "Differences with 1st Generation include: hard disk size inscribed on the back, click wheel font matches the color of the iPod Mini, better battery life (18hrs)" 12.03.28 # http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 12.03.41 # weyer: does the clickwheel icons have the same colour as the unit? 12.03.58 # yes 12.04.05 # http://www.ipod.fr/historique-modele-ipod.php 12.04.06 # then it sounds like a 2nd gen 12.04.06 # amiconn: any objections that interrupts get stopped while changing recording gain. I think something sometimes gets inbetween setting analog and digital gain, causing a short volume glitch 12.04.17 # for nouveautes at the ipod mini 2d 12.04.32 # petur: sounds unlikely it'll happen right there... 12.07.08 # I've seen it twice during my tests. there were several samples between the change of both gian settings 12.07.30 # s/gian/gain 12.08.11 # well, try it and see 12.08.30 # perhaps we should have some critical section macros 12.09.30 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-2-22.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.19.16 Join mocker_ [0] (n=ks@in.kansas.but.not.a.republi.cn) 12.19.31 # Rockbox is freaking awesome. 12.19.35 # :) 12.21.17 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd6701e@labb.contactor.se) 12.22.18 # it's a first gen :-) the second generation install didn't work 12.23.45 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.25.03 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 12.25.13 Part stripwax 12.29.09 # weyer: What happened when you tried to start Rockbox? 12.31.24 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 12.34.04 Join Xinux [0] (n=Xinux@24-216-114-112.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 12.38.49 # linuxstb: it didn't pass the apple logo 12.41.12 # i've actually had the apple logo FREEZE on my nano 12.41.16 # kudos to apple for that 12.41.33 # without the rb bootloader? 12.42.49 # with the rb bootloader (at the end of the install instructions) 12.45.18 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-236.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.52.58 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-121-236.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.53.16 # petur: Did you try it? 12.53.39 # Perhaps the volume glitch on gain change is a different thing. It might even be unavoidable 12.53.59 # I ate my computer. 12.54.06 # Yum 12.56.31 # you guys should put frozen bubble on rb 12.57.15 # Xinux: It already is. 12.57.21 # guess i missed 12.57.39 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBubbles 12.59.13 # thank ya. 12.59.47 # it isn't frozen bubbles, it just uses the graphics 13.00.33 # thats dumb o.o 13.00.51 # it's the same game, but it isn't a port 13.01.01 # oh. 13.02.47 # Xinux: do you know how to program? 13.02.55 # party. 13.02.57 # partly. 13.03.18 # then maybe you can try to port some games 13.12.25 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.14.22 # amiconn: no time now, tonight maybe 13.14.37 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.14.38 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 13.14.49 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.15.39 # petur: want latest testing results for norecboost patch? 13.15.48 # shoot 13.16.24 # analog: there's always a tiny, inaudible glitch around the 5 second mark. 13.16.51 # at least one analog recording also had an audible glitch at 3mins (during buffer write) 13.17.06 Join Tom__ [0] (i=Tom@81-6-224-154.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 13.17.31 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 13.17.44 # there's glitches or interference or whatever during volume change.. 13.17.57 # volume or gain? 13.18.09 # volume 13.18.26 # * petur didn't test that :/ 13.18.53 # digital: always glitches at the start and end of first mini buffer write around 4 to 6 seconds. 13.19.22 # there are also random glitches throughout recordings. i couldn't spot a pattern. 13.19.22 Quit Xinux (Remote closed the connection) 13.19.45 # I wonder what's happening at the beginning of the recording. Is that with/without prerecording, is the hdd spinning or off when you hit rec? 13.19.54 # ...including during disk writes and volume changes... 13.20.01 # no pre-recording. 13.20.21 # i've not noticed the hdd spinning... 13.20.33 # whatboutbob: Do you have backlight fading enabled? 13.20.48 # checking...(but shouldn't) 13.21.00 # Hey hey. Is there a way to download the entire rockbox-user mailing list? 13.21.17 # I need something to read on the loo 13.21.41 # backlight is set to 4 seconds..... 13.21.57 # fade in set to 500ms 13.22.06 # fade out: 2seconds... 13.22.11 # Fade out is what I'm interested in here 13.22.14 # that's getting awful close to the timing... 13.22.21 # Ok, so it's what I observed 13.22.38 # A cpu frequency change causes glitches in spdif recording 13.22.48 # (glitches == lost samples) 13.23.04 # Strangely enough, it _only_ affects spdif, not analog 13.23.19 # Backlight fading boosts the cpu 13.23.48 # amiconn: analog i always get an inaudible glitch at ~5 seconds. 13.23.55 # This isn't because it needs that much power, but because it needs stable timing. 13.24.26 # h340 has no fading :( 13.24.30 # whatboutbob: Disable backlight fade in & fade out, and test again. I'm sure you won't get the glitches at start 13.25.05 # amiconn: was just in the process of doing so. :) 13.25.06 # petur: Ye, but it also doesn't have spdif 13.25.55 # whatboutbob: The inaudible glitch (just amplitude change, no lost samples) with analog is probably caused by some load change. 13.26.16 # * petur wonders if he should get an h1x0 to play with 13.26.18 # Either it's the frequency change as well, or the harddisk spinup/spindown 13.26.27 # I tend to think it's the latter 13.26.51 # amiconn: I see the amplitude change every time the disk spins up 13.26.54 # ..so it's unavoidable, but since it's also inaudible, I think we can live with it 13.27.05 # petur: Even with cvs? 13.27.12 # yes 13.27.31 # Okay, so it's indeed the disk, and hence unavoidable 13.34.54 Join Xinux [0] (n=Xinux@24-216-114-112.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 13.35.52 # fair enough. 13.41.44 Quit Rori () 13.46.51 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 13.47.06 # right...i turned off fade in and fade out...and sure enough, i get no early glitches for spdif recording. 13.47.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.47.32 # still getting glitches for disk writes @ around 2:48 and 2:59. 13.48.07 # the disk-write glitches far more noticeable with spdif than analog. 13.49.17 # ...not 100% sure if the optical disk-write glitches are in cvs. would you like me to test petur? 13.49.33 # disabling boost for diskwriting brings write time from 16 -> 26 seconds 13.49.56 # if you have the time, sure ;) 13.50.29 # meh...i'm just watching a footy match and kicking back... 13.52.42 Join Lynx- [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 13.53.38 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-135-038.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.54.31 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 13.54.34 Part Paul_The_Nerd 13.54.36 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 13.54.57 # Paul does the Linus trick :) 13.55.21 Quit hannesd_ (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 13.56.23 # Alt+F4ed the wrong window. 13.57.41 Quit Xinux ("Leaving") 13.59.29 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.01.22 # petur: spdif disk-write glitches don't exist in a cvs build from May 12 (just what happened to be on my other iriver). 14.01.54 # linuxstb: You around? 14.02.25 # whatboutbob: ok, thanks for verifying 14.02.36 Join Xinux [0] (n=Xinux@24-216-114-112.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 14.02.47 # Paul_The_Nerd: Half-around 14.02.59 # petur: lemme know if you'd like me to test on bleeding edge. i imagine it'd be the same tho. 14.03.02 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3049.gwdg.de) 14.03.13 # linuxstb: Just curious, is this in the general direction you were thinking? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewForumProposal 14.03.46 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.03.46 Nick Lynx- is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 14.04.04 # petur: i'm off for a bit. lemme know if you'd like me to test anything else. 14.04.27 # not for the next 5 hours... 14.04.37 # paid work? 14.04.41 # yeps 14.04.49 # enjoy 14.04.53 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 14.04.54 # :p 14.05.08 # * whatboutbob gets a beer out of the fridge and puts his feet up... 14.05.11 # ;p 14.05.27 # Paul_The_Nerd: Sort-of. It's a tricky thing to decide on. I've been thinking that some kind of device-specific forums can't be avoided - mainly for installation and hardware type questions. But maybe those could simply be split by manufacturer, rather than specific players. 14.06.25 # I also don't like the idea of having too many different forums - maybe your list is too many. But it's a difficult balance - I'll think about it and comment on that wiki page. 14.06.26 # * petur still wants manufacturer named target selection in the tracker too 14.08.47 Quit Lynx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.10.58 # linuxstb: That's what the page is for. I threw it together over breakfast. I think it can be trimmed down to one forum per installation process (rather than manufacturer, because install on an H10 may be drastically different than the current set of iRiver players, and so on.) 14.12.42 Join nick41 [0] (n=njd@82-44-248-186.cable.ubr05.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.14.21 # using rockbox, do you still have to add files trough itunes/gtkpod? 14.14.26 # Nope 14.14.39 # i copied regular mp3 files, but they don't play 14.14.44 # Rockbox is filetree based, though it can index files by tags itself if you have already hidden/obfuscated music 14.14.49 # What do they do? 14.15.50 # they show the filename, but no sound, no id-tag recognition 14.16.07 # What tags do they have? 14.16.24 # So when you click on them, they don't play and the progress bar does or doesn't move? 14.16.34 # nope 14.17.08 # and all the fields are empty 14.17.14 Join moda|ASOT [0] (n=modafrom@CPE-138-130-209-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) 14.17.16 # exept the scrolling filename 14.17.40 # oh far out, i cant find anywhere to get a cheap 1.8inch hdd anyway.... argh 14.18.19 # weyer: What does the "file" command say about your files? i.e. type "file filename.mp3" 14.18.38 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p508184FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.18.58 # Neil Young - Harvest - 01 - Out On The Weekend.mp3: MP3 file with ID3 version 2.3.0 tag 14.19.19 # Is there album art in the tag? 14.19.39 # i have no idea 14.19.59 # :( 14.20.03 # most mp3's i ripped of my own cd's, and i never even knew that was possible, so i guess not 14.20.41 # most tags are created with "easytag" program 14.22.07 # regardless of the tags, shouldn't the file still play? 14.22.17 # Maybe an obvious question, but what buttons are you pressing to play the file? 14.22.38 # weyer: also note that old versions of easytag created invalid id3 v2.3 tags, are you using .12? 14.23.12 # I've tagged very many files with easytag just fine 14.23.24 # linuxstb: in the filebrowser, the select button (ipodmini, central button) 14.23.37 # And then what does your ipod do (in detail) ? 14.23.38 # it writes UTF-8 in id3v2.3 and marks the field as latin1 14.23.40 # mikachu /easytag-1.1 14.24.14 # this only matters for tags with nonlatin1-characters though 14.25.12 # i go to the "muziek" dir on my ipod, "select", choose an album, "select", choose a song, "select", then for a moment "loading" appears, and then i end up in wps 14.25.40 # And the time is stuck at 0:00? 14.25.41 # with the songname scrolling, the volume en playpause buttons work (changes in status bar), but there is no sound, the progress bar doesn't move 14.25.53 # how much would a dead H340 with all the accessories be worth? 14.27.00 # and under de scrolling filename is (root) for the two fields in the default wps 14.27.07 # (i guess, artist and album) 14.27.10 # weyer: So Rockbox doesn't crash? i.e. you can go into the menu, or back to the filebrowser? 14.27.24 # idd 14.27.48 # and the files i transferred before with gtkpod do work 14.28.22 # Sounds very odd. Can you upload one of those files somewhere? 14.28.29 # ok 14.28.53 Quit |reezeh| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.29.11 # moda|ASOT: given up, eh? 14.29.31 # oh, not really 14.30.18 Join |reezeh| [0] (n=reezeh@reezeh.gotadsl.co.uk) 14.30.23 # ill see if anyone is selling a dead ipod or something in the weekend classifieds tomorrow.... if not, theres a guy in another city who i can send it do whos opened up his and replaced his hdd, so i can get him to swap in the old one and test it out for me.... 14.30.25 # i dunno 14.30.39 # i just dont have the energy to really stress about it anymore 14.31.42 Join lee-qid__ [0] (n=liqid@p549648EB.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.32.12 # hmm, solved 14.32.17 # rebooting did the trick 14.32.35 # i had that with the gtkpod files also, after first installing rockbox... 14.32.47 # it seems rockbox must read files, save, reboot and then it works 14.34.05 # hrm.... what should i get as a replacement DAP? something that is 40gb+... plays video..... im looking at the ipod video.... but... eh 14.34.40 # if you want (proper) video, I don't think there's much competition 14.35.01 # Not counting the various devices designed as actual media players rather than just DAPs. 14.35.15 # i want 30fps video.... i dont really want a pmp 14.35.17 # oh, right 14.35.40 # Well, you're pretty much restricted to the 5G then 14.35.49 # I don't think there's anything else with a decent framerate that isn't a PMP 14.35.57 # sigh 14.36.14 # what does the creative vision m do? 14.36.17 # and certainly not if you want rockbox 14.36.26 # that probably does video fine 14.36.29 # The newest Vision M actually has a really nice looking screen and video. 14.36.32 # * amiconn wonders what a non-pmp with decent video would be 14.36.36 # But I don't know what sort of framerate or anything. 14.36.39 # I can't imagine one 14.36.45 # amiconn: ipod video 14.37.07 # Well, even most pmps I've seen don't have *decent* video 14.37.07 # amiconn: I think by the time it has decent video, it's reclassified itself as PMP anyway, independent of what the manufacturer calls it 14.38.02 # ...because really decent video and mobile devices are things that contradict each other 14.38.44 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 14.40.03 # so.... 5G or vision m.... HRM 14.41.39 # moda|ASOT: you could use the HD of your new DAP to get your H3xx back for RMA and then sell either of them 14.47.52 # meh 14.47.55 # nah 14.48.03 # i dont want to take apart a brand new one ;\ 14.48.32 # get 1 2nd hand then 14.50.52 Quit moda|ASOT () 14.51.29 Join qwx__ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 14.59.51 # * amiconn just found that someone posted a french voice file using a scansoft voice to the wiki 15.00.16 # Does it have a free license? 15.00.46 # Afaik, scansoft has equally bad (if not worse) license conditions as at&t 15.01.36 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.05.32 # reminds me that I have to sent an email to loquendo 15.05.48 # though I am not sure if I am capable of doing it the right way... 15.14.00 # is there a scrolling setting that makes the names scroll ones, and then stop scrolling? the continuous scrolling makes me nervous :-) 15.15.29 # (and i should think it is a waste of battery / cpu ) 15.22.04 Quit RoC_MM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.24.34 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.25.12 # weyer: afaik you can stop the scrolling of the titles by removing the %s tags from the .wps file, but then you have no scrolling at all. 15.26.51 # Is there a video player app for the 5th gen ipods? 15.27.43 # PaulJam: that's true, but lot's of songs are more than 23 characters long 15.27.51 # mocker_: Yes, it's called "Apple's firmware". 15.28.04 # linuxstb: Heh. 15.29.08 # weyer: Use a smaller font. ;) 15.29.17 # * preglow shoots intel 15.29.49 # weyer: if the scrolling options in the settings menu don't give you what you want, feel free to add a feature request to the tracker (or better, a patch) 15.35.06 Part Paul_The_Nerd 15.38.40 Part LinusN 15.39.11 Quit flynux (Remote closed the connection) 15.40.52 # It's true that I would like to see another option for scrolling. When the scrolling string ends,currently, it wraps so closely with the end that I can't recognize the start of the string. 15.42.28 # ? 15.43.02 # There are 3 spaces in between... 15.44.44 Join StarScream [0] (n=mase@ppp194-247.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net) 15.45.33 # hey guys, does rockbox support usb OTG on the h300's ? 15.45.40 # no 15.46.48 # do you know if its something that is planned for inclusion or is it a feature that the devs aren't really interested in? 15.46.58 Join flynux [0] (n=prout@2a01:38:0:0:0:0:0:1) 15.47.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.47.21 # we don't plan things for inclusion 15.47.27 # we include everything good people do 15.47.43 # so if/when someone writes usbotg support, Rockbox will feature it 15.49.46 # ok, thanks B4gder. I was just curious about it as Mark Shuttleworth mentioned rockbox on tllts so i thought i'd have a look at it and was surprised when i saw the H300 irivers. 15.49.53 # it looks really good. 15.49.58 # * petur points to the fact he was working on it :) 15.50.08 # tllts? 15.50.21 # www.tllts.org (linux link tech show) 15.50.33 # butter. 15.51.06 # petur: you were working on usbotg for the h300's ? 15.51.06 # Shuttleworth mentioned rockbox? 15.51.17 # yeh show 143 15.51.17 # okay, this is annoying, my torrent dl just stalled at 99.72% 15.51.19 # 142 15.51.20 # sorry 15.52.06 # interesting? 15.52.08 # petur: my programming skill's are a bit low to make my own patch :-) i'll add a feature request 15.52.13 # what did he say? 15.52.18 # StarScream: no success so far.... don't get any hope for now. 15.54.22 # petur: heh ok :) unfortunately i use usbotg alot so can't test out rockbox yet but keep up the good work . it really does look fantastic 15.55.15 # StarScream: you can dual-boot 15.55.18 # StarScream: rockbox can dualboot. use the iriver firmware for usbotg, rockbox for the rest 15.55.50 # oh really ? awesome. 15.56.16 # in fact, you'd have to fight it hard to not offer dual-boot ;-) 15.57.29 # so can i set a default ? and then manually set it back when i use it for usb otg ? 15.57.37 # and all my music appears in both ? 15.59.23 # Yes, your music appears in both. Rockbox will boot by default. Hold a button (I think it's record on the h300) whilst turing on your h300 to start the original firmware. 16.02.03 # it's REC. be sure to keep ON pressed too until iriver fw boots (it checks the button briefly, if you release too soon it powers down) 16.02.33 # *to soon 16.02.58 # absolutely awesome 16.03.07 # its my project for tomorrow now :) 16.03.19 # this feels strange, it is supposed that yesterday we would have released 3.1 :p 16.03.40 # ? 16.03.56 # Wasn't fireworks planed for June? 16.04.07 # or am I talking BS? 16.04.09 # september? 16.04.18 # oops 16.04.27 # indeed, I am talking BS. 16.09.45 Join webguest25 [0] (n=54b6d18a@labb.contactor.se) 16.09.54 # Hello 16.10.49 # i have a problem with my ihp-140. it tells we when i start it "*panic* ata: -32 16.10.52 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 16.11.01 # may anyone offer some help? 16.12.08 # can your PC recognize your iHP-140 16.12.10 # ? 16.12.17 # yes 16.12.36 # when i plug it in i can use the data on the ihp 16.14.41 # sometimes after some reboots it also says "bootloader usb mode"(when not plugged in to the computer) and that's it. 16.16.11 # the red light for hdd use doesn't glow anymore 16.17.05 # strange 16.17.13 # what about original firmware? 16.19.58 # already tried it. there the "connected" screen appears too, even when not connected 16.21.00 # in normal firmware? 16.21.06 # the original firmware. says "check hdd connection" then "check hdd" and the turns ob the "connected" screen, 16.21.18 # when not plugged in 16.21.22 # dodgy HDD 16.21.42 # :( 16.21.53 # Can you check for errors using a software utility? 16.22.08 # yep 16.22.08 # if this doens't work then you can open the player and resit the HDD. 16.22.12 # i'll try that 16.22.28 # how do i reset itß 16.22.37 # if bnecessary 16.22.47 # but it is strange that it will say connected while it isn't maybe there is a bad solder connection on the USB chip. 16.23.11 # resit = take out the HD and plug it again. 16.23.20 # okay 16.23.31 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 16.23.33 Quit Strath ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 16.23.41 # i#ll try the errorcheck, then, if necessary the resit 16.24.07 # When I was trying to fix my USBOTG problem on my H300, accidentally I short circuited 2 joints which made my H300 to report "Connected" even if it wasn't 16.24.30 # how do i find out if there is something wrong with the "solder connection on the USB chip."? 16.24.49 # Can't help you on this 16.24.54 # I came to it by luck... 16.24.54 # okay 16.25.01 # thanks 16.25.13 # np, hope you get your player fixed. 16.25.23 # me too :) 16.25.37 # It is very strange though, that you say your PC can fully recognise the Disk. 16.26.13 # indeed 16.26.57 Quit Tom__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.26.59 # almost makes you think it's the usb-ata bridge chip 16.30.40 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 16.32.31 Quit muesli|delhi ("ich will Kühe!!!") 16.34.58 # * amiconn points B4gder to muesli's quit message 16.35.14 # It's a quite good match to yours 16.35.21 # moooooo 16.35.30 # kuhe? 16.35.37 # = cows 16.35.41 # ah 16.36.02 # Translated: I want cows! 16.36.08 # meeeeeeeeh 16.36.10 # :) 16.37.24 # StarScream: At which minute of the podcast you said is there a reference to rockbox? 16.39.32 # Wiki spam alert! 16.40.23 Join Febs [0] (n=40be240f@labb.contactor.se) 16.40.50 Quit qwx__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.41.06 # grrr 16.42.07 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fcd8a.f.strato-dslnet.de) 16.46.00 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.54.33 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 16.55.09 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 16.58.32 Quit zigford ("Leaving") 17.02.09 Quit petur ("beer time") 17.02.42 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 17.18.35 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-121-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.19.03 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 17.36.32 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 17.36.51 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=9bcf1235@labb.contactor.se) 17.39.25 Join buraianto [0] (n=chatzill@64.90.198.6) 17.39.53 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-121-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.44.37 # I have to say, I am really impressed w/ rockbox. 17.45.09 # good 17.47.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.47.27 # :) 17.49.05 Quit PaulJam (".") 17.49.07 # now, stay that way 17.49.09 # ;) 17.51.26 Join qwx_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 17.51.29 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC") 17.55.02 Part nick41 ("Ex-Chat") 17.56.55 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 17.59.20 Part Paul_The_Nerd 18.01.02 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.02.24 Quit Genre9mp3 ("CGI:IRC") 18.02.34 # time to reboot. I want to install Kubuntu 6.06 18.02.41 Quit XavierGr ("Watch anime, saiyu sen jiko yo!") 18.03.53 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.07.02 Quit bobTHC ("Smoke Weed Every Dayz !!!!!!!") 18.11.11 # WOOOOO 18.13.02 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.13.59 Join ender` [0] (i=useless@84.52.165.220) 18.21.34 # woo. i can now work on my operating system i will never get farther on that printing some text! 18.21.36 Nick mocker_ is now known as mocker (n=ks@in.kansas.but.not.a.republi.cn) 18.21.58 Nick bluey- is now known as bluey^afk (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-121-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.23.04 # english? 18.23.14 # me? 18.23.40 # yeah 18.23.43 # time to write an operating system! 18.23.50 # .. 18.28.51 # i'm just bored. 18.30.14 # please 18.30.28 # you couldn't operate a hair dryer, sharpe, much less a whole -system- 18.31.00 # :( 18.31.05 # :D 18.31.18 # heh... 18.40.47 Join webguest22 [0] (n=45f6cab0@labb.contactor.se) 18.40.57 Quit webguest22 (Client Quit) 18.41.43 Join woodensoul [0] (n=45f6cab0@labb.contactor.se) 18.42.34 # well, i can print text now. 18.43.07 # Hello folks. This is my first time here... trying the web client. 18.43.37 # welcome, how may we help you? 18.43.58 # Well, I've got a couple things... 18.44.24 # I use rockbox for my iRiver H120, H140 and H320. 18.44.49 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 18.45.26 # I was looking for some feedback on a bug I'm experiencing. I often get crashes requiring a hard reset when changing the fileview from "All" to "ID3 database". 18.46.27 # The crash occurs when I pres the joystick in to navigate the ID3 database. 18.47.19 # well, unforunately, i know nothing of the iRiver ports, sorry I can't help. 18.48.26 # Which port commands your concentration? 18.48.39 # iPod Video 18.48.43 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@otaku.freeshell.ORG) 18.50.09 # Do you have the 60GB version? 18.50.21 # nope, just the thirty version. 18.50.49 # Do you know if the 60GB version is any thicker than the 30GB version? 18.51.19 Quit klrspz () 18.51.34 # i believe it isn't 18.53.19 # How is the 5G port in general? Are most of the features from the other ports available and how is battery life? 18.54.20 # battery life is still worse than the apple firmware, i usually get around 4-5 hours with rockbox on mine. but, other than that most features are implemented. 18.55.25 # How much time do you get with the stock firmware? 18.55.40 # probably, around nine hours, it's been a long time since i've used it. 18.56.06 # Do you use a build with album art enabled? 18.56.09 # nope. 18.56.31 # Doesn't interest you? It looks pretty nice on the H320. 18.56.48 # yeh, doesn't really interest me. 18.57.01 # woodensoul: Re your crashes - how old is the build you are running? 18.57.25 # amiconn: From a couple days ago. 18.57.37 # Also, please try with a cvs build 18.58.07 # I didn't see any changes in the CVS that pertained to the bug. 18.58.20 # It was a bleeding edge build from a couple days ago. 18.58.22 # I refer to the album art patch 18.58.29 # Ah ok 18.58.33 # hmm 18.58.56 # yay! printing functions work... 18.58.59 # I wouldn't report a bug from the experimental build I'm running on my H320. 18.59.17 # The bug happens with a bleeding edge build for the H100 series. 19.00.39 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 19.01.10 # I guess I should make a bug report, but I thought I'd come here first to see if anyone else noticed the bug. 19.02.03 # woodensoul: Yes, the 60GB is significantly thicker than the 30GB model. But still thinner than the h1x0/h3x0 players. 19.02.18 # (talking about the ipod 5g) 19.02.18 # damn, wrong again. 19.02.34 # * amiconn would have expected that it is thicker 19.02.57 # ..for the same reason why the H140 is thicker than the H120 etc 19.03.32 # linuxstb: Thanks for the info. I seen the 30GB version and it's so thin. I would be very tempted if the 60GB version was as thin, but the double platter drive prevents it, I'm guessing. 19.03.56 # The dual platter drive should add 3 mm of thickness 19.04.25 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 19.04.33 # I think the battery is bigger as well (capacity-wise, and I'm guessing physically) 19.05.08 # well, i've an operating system that can print strings. 19.05.12 # go me. 19.05.29 # I see. Do you have any experience with the bug I described? It's the only thing keeping the current CVS builds from being stable for me. 19.05.35 # * amiconn always wondered why apple puts those low capacity batteries into the newer ipods 19.06.09 # Battery runtime seems to be much worse than with other players, even with stock firmware 19.06.19 # According to Apple's website, 30GB is 10.9mm thick, and 60GB is 14mm 19.07.29 # Weights are 136g and 156g 19.07.30 Quit webguest25 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.07.47 # woodensoul: I'm sure I've read a similar bug report. Possibly on the bug tracker. 19.08.30 # Maybe I'll hold of making a new one then and read the current bug report. 19.09.51 # Any clue what I should search by to find it? 19.13.19 # Also another issue I'd be interested to get feedback on: would anyone be interested in allowing the current playlist to be viewed in a way that albums (or artists, or genres assuming this is added to the ID3 database view method) are shown and able to be moved around as opposed to the current method of only allowing a track list? 19.13.37 Nick daurn|laptop is now known as daurn|afk (i=daurnscr@unaffiliated/daurn) 19.13.37 DBUG Enqueued KICK daurn|afk 19.14.25 # You could "expand" the album (artist or genre) to see the tracks within, or collapse... you get the picture? 19.16.01 # (1) What would be the purpose? (2) Probably very hard to implement, if not impossible 19.17.36 # Well my purpose is that I listen to entire albums almost exclusively and it would be very useful for me to be able to add albums to the playlist and move them around as an album. 19.18.04 # I know exactly one (software) player that supports hierarchical playlists. I never understood why, other than making operation more complicated 19.18.34 # I assume that the ability to add albums via the ID3 database is in the works? 19.18.54 # Supporting hierarchical playlists also means dropping the de facto standard 'm3u' and invent an own playlist format 19.19.04 # The Zen Xtra has the functionality I'm describing and I find it very useful since I listen to albums the way I do. 19.19.19 # I also listen mainly to album 19.20.09 # Well it really wouldn't have to be hierarchial. I don't really need the ability to expand, but it would be nice to be able to add albums to the playlist and move them around as one group. 19.20.27 # Most of the time I play an album, and decide afterwards what album to listen to next. Sometimes I add several albums to a playlist. I never felt the necissity to move them around after adding though 19.21.19 # Why would it be necessary to change the standard '.m3u'? All of this could be just what is displayed to the user and the .m3u would stay the same. 19.21.29 # Another problem (besides the playlist format) is how rockbox stores playlists in memory 19.21.32 # how would rockbox keep track of the albums then? 19.22.09 # Rockbox could keep the playlist stored the same way, just the way it is displayed would be different, is that possible? 19.22.37 # Playlists are stored as indices into directories. Very fast, very efficient. But rockbox has no way to know which track belongs to a certain album until the track is actually buffered for playback 19.22.47 # I really need to read through that developers documentation and give the source a look. I used C for my senior design project, so I'm sure I could add to the effort. 19.23.30 # If adding an album through the ID3 database is implemented, this could be done, yes? 19.23.51 # No, not with a total redesign of the playlist system 19.24.29 # Would it be possible to add an album via the ID3 database without a complete redesign of the playlist system? 19.24.35 # (which would almost certainly use a multiple of the resources of the current system and be an order of magnitude slower) 19.24.44 # yes 19.24.58 Join Febs [0] (n=40be240f@labb.contactor.se) 19.25.24 # The problem with m3u is that it just stores paths and filenames, not tags or other metadata 19.26.03 # m3u files can contain comments, but since they're comments, m3u manipulating software is free to ditch them 19.26.16 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@217.185.75.60) 19.26.42 # Well it seems possible to keep that data somewhere and since you're saying it wouldn't require a major redesign to add ID3 database album playlist functionality, the info would be there in the database already. 19.27.16 # Yes, but not in th eplaylist you generate from it 19.28.00 # That means, you will be able to add an album, or an artist folder etc to your playlist, but you won't be able to move the added tracks as a 'group' later 19.28.29 # Well that, at least, is an improvement :-) 19.28.51 # Moving them around as a group would be nice though. 19.29.22 # can't you already do that? 19.29.34 # Not that I know of. 19.29.37 # i mean adding albums and/or artists 19.29.45 # i do it all the time in file mode anyway 19.29.55 Quit Xinux ("Leaving") 19.30.07 # You can do it in file mode for sure, but not in ID3 unless it's been recently added. 19.33.32 # And that is what leads me to the bug I'm experiencing.... I browse using ID3 mode most of the time, but when I want to add and album to the playlist I have to switch to file mode to add, and then back to ID3 to browse and then I get the freeze. 19.34.49 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 19.35.19 Join ender [0] (i=useless@84.52.165.220) 19.43.56 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 19.45.47 Join bluebrother [0] (i=EUp6Fg1e@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 19.46.47 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.47.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.48.41 Nick qwx_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 19.49.22 Join webguest09 [0] (n=3e80304a@labb.contactor.se) 19.51.35 Quit anathema (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.51.42 Quit ender` (Connection timed out) 19.52.32 Join ender` [0] (i=useless@84.52.165.220) 19.53.14 # <_Veseliq_> http://koti.mbnet.fi/~bgf/rojut/hefhofhof/ 19.53.14 Quit webguest09 (Client Quit) 19.53.48 # woodensoul: How do you switch back & forth - via the menu (General Settings->File View->Show Files) or via the quickscreen? 19.55.10 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 19.55.32 # And again re the version - there were 2 tagcache related bug fixes committed on May 30 and May 31 19.57.52 Quit ender (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.57.52 Nick ender` is now known as ender (i=useless@84.52.165.220) 19.58.01 Nick ender is now known as ender` (i=useless@84.52.165.220) 19.59.15 # amiconn: I've had the freeze happen mostly with the quickscreen, but the General Settings->File View->Show Files has also caused the crash. 20.00.12 # I don't have my player with me right now, so I can't tell you the exact CVS version. All I can say is that it was from about 2 days ago. I'll update to the latest and see if it has been fixed. 20.01.46 Nick bluey^afk is now known as bluey (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-121-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.03.09 Quit woodensoul ("CGI:IRC") 20.03.14 Join woodensoul [0] (n=45f6cab0@labb.contactor.se) 20.06.43 # I had to reconnect, still learning the web interface. Did I miss a comment? 20.06.51 # nope. 20.07.22 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 20.07.22 # * woodensoul just noticed the log on the site updated live 20.07.28 # aye :) 20.07.29 # :-) 20.08.11 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3025.gwdg.de) 20.08.31 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 20.09.42 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=8a434b4e@labb.contactor.se) 20.10.40 Join saa[b_r]ider [0] (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.98.165) 20.11.52 # What's the status on the freeze? I have a few patches I'd like to commit, but I'm still waiting on 3.0. Also, is there a list of critical bugs I can look into fixing? 20.12.33 # that is if the freeze is continuing 20.15.40 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-11-244.tn.glocalnet.net) 20.16.04 # * woodensoul doesn't know, but is curious about what the patches do 20.16.10 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@86.134.212.125) 20.16.21 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 20.16.41 # mostly patches for doom and rockboy 20.17.13 Join benanne [0] (n=benanne@81.245.170.31) 20.17.17 # Evening everyone 20.18.06 # I'm thinking of installing rockbox onto my 4GB iPod nano... the only thing that's holding me back is that I heard battery life is significantly reduced... I mean, it isn't exactly impressive as it is, so I'm not sure I want it reduced even further. Is it really that bad? 20.18.31 # RedBreva: you're in? 20.18.37 # yep 20.19.41 # I've just added a comment to this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5458 20.21.15 # what do you think? Unfortunately tucoz isn't in ... 20.21.32 # but I'd like to get some comments before I start changing the screenshot macro ;-) 20.21.50 # I think that's a darn good idea - the thought og having to generate another couple'o hundred screenshots was not appealing :) 20.21.53 # (as I finally again have time for working on the manual) 20.22.14 # amiconn, I've also got a patch for the ipod mini lcd shutdown, I guess I'll just put that one on the tracker 20.22.17 # hehehe, real life sure can get in the way at times 20.22.35 # yup. But I survived it ;-) 20.22.38 Nick bluey is now known as bluey- (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-121-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.23.05 # ok, I think I'll start hacking the screenshot macro ... 20.23.41 # using Platform name from the platform profile as the device name? 20.23.46 # maybe we should have an agreement which screenshots to be device specific and which should be the "generic resolution" shot. 20.23.54 # kkurbjun: The remaining bugs are here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2&due=3&order=sev 20.24.07 # anyone wanna help me with cygwin? (I did some progress since this morning!) 20.24.17 # kkurbjun: Plus I think some stuff not specifically in the tracker, such as the h3x0 power consumption issue. 20.24.26 # Anybody here using rockbox on an ipod nano? 20.24.56 # benanne: YES, i DO 20.25.08 # benanne: Some runtime tests are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime 20.25.10 # Whoops , sorry caps lock got hit by mistake 20.25.52 # linuxstb, was it decided if the H300 will be in the 3.0 release? 20.26.25 # AFAIK, it's still in. 20.26.41 # But I guess that's mainly because there are so many other issues. 20.28.04 # speaking of the H300.. I was worried that my battery was dieing, so I tested my H300's battery life using RB, I got something between 3-4 hours 20.28.44 # more like 3.5-4 hours 20.29.14 # Is better battery going to be part of the 3.0 release for the H300 series? 20.30.25 # linuxstb, I'll start looking into those bugs and working on ones I know something about 20.30.43 # woodensoul, that is the question of the month. 20.31.03 # could someone have a look at minesweeper3.patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5430 ? The manual changes have been commited, but this is a code patch... 20.31.23 # unfortunatly most of them seem to be playback issues which I know nothing about 20.31.24 # Febs: I thought qwustion of the month was "when will 3.0 be released?" :P 20.31.51 # That was the question of LAST month :) 20.32.00 # hehehe 20.32.11 # Right. ;) I propose that we never EVER again announce a release date. 20.32.32 # when people ask me i just make up a date 20.32.34 # then they go away 20.33.11 # so no experienced cygwin users around? 20.33.13 # RedBreva, linuxstb, thanks 20.33.32 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cb706c2@labb.contactor.se) 20.34.08 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.34.09 # I don't understand the obession with a specified date. Just install the latest CVS build and there is your 3.0 version on any date you want it. 20.34.20 # Looks like Rockbox made Engadget => http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/sandisk-hits-up-rockbox-for-some-firmware/ 20.34.45 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-11-244.tn.glocalnet.net) 20.34.49 # The 'nerdy alternative' talk is a little harsh though :) 20.35.46 # Yeah, I guess we're all nerds. :-( 20.36.00 # I'm a happy nerd with my Rockbox, though. 20.36.07 # Me too :) 20.37.45 # meh heck, im going to install it anyways 20.37.51 # I'm sick of having to use crap like gtkpod 20.38.07 # also gapless playback <3 20.38.22 # oh the gapless! 20.38.32 # It's like butter... 20.38.38 # hehe 20.38.51 # I have this concept album thats cut into 69 tracks 20.38.54 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.38.56 # its a pain to listen to without gapless 20.39.02 # you don't really appreciate it enough till you use the original firmware after months of RB use 20.39.11 # hehe 20.40.19 # benanne: I would just say, that I installed iTunes a few days ago the theory being: my 8 year old had a nano for his b/day, and at present Rockbox is still a little complex for him, but to be honest I am thinking of rockboxing him too, the apple interface is just Waaaaay to anal! 20.40.32 # heh 20.40.46 # even he is complaining about it!! 20.41.05 # hahaha I propose a quote of the month 20.41.16 # oh, and he want's a custom WPS like his dad 20.41.44 # ipod users say "the apple interface is just waaaaay too anal!" 20.42.03 # heheheheh 20.42.18 # redbreva: what player do you use? 20.42.29 # H140 and Nano 4Gig 20.42.58 # so now 8 year olds have ipods too? 20.43.28 # yep, 1G, and the 12 year old has a 2G to replace her Ondio (Both rockboxed) 20.43.41 # heehee 20.45.22 # I'm just worried that by the time my son becomes 5 he'll be asking me for an iPod :| 20.46.10 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.46.29 # I have been fighting it for 2 years, and finally gave in this Birthday... he had reading difficulties, so I told him when he got a good report from his teacher, he could have one.... 20.47.08 # I know how you feel... it's kinda the same with mobile phones now... 20.47.24 # he STILL isn't getting one of them!! 20.47.51 # but I'm surprised about the ipod as I didn't expect an 8 year old to really be into music 20.48.21 # I didn't start listening to music till I was about 12 20.48.32 # Black Eyed Peas, Pussycat Dolls and Sugarbabes to be precise 20.48.37 # ew 20.48.38 # heehee 20.48.41 # so, not really music :D 20.48.44 # :D 20.49.02 # * benanne is extremely narrowminded 20.49.07 # and proud of it >:) 20.49.08 # Got his da's taste in women tho' ;-) 20.49.16 # now, tis time for some rockboxin' 20.50.14 # if I fuck up, is the procedure easily reversible? 20.51.07 # yes, but it was pretty straighforward, so you shouldn't have a problem - IF you read and follow the instructions properly 20.51.16 # PCD and sugarbabes I understand... it's just sad that black eyed peas are turning into a generic band.. I enjoy their music 20.51.26 # will do, thanks :) 20.51.53 # "How to install Rockbox on your iPod using Linux" that's the one I need right 20.52.21 # how's the scroll wheel speed on RBed iPods now? 20.52.30 # Depends, only if you are using Linux ;-) 20.53.12 # well, yaeh ;) 20.53.14 # yeah* 20.53.20 # okay, here goes nothing 20.53.54 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.56.56 # L8R - I have a lawn to cut... :( 20.57.24 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@212.204.41.115) 20.57.37 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@193.92.234.124) 20.58.05 # benanne: Just make sure you keep a backup copy of the "bootpartition.bin" file you extract from your ipod in one of the first steps. If anything goes wrong, you can just "dd" it back and your ipod should be as good as new. 20.58.13 # yep 20.58.14 # im doing that now 20.58.17 # cool, thanks :) 21.00.59 # What codec and bitrate do you guys use? I'm curious cince the codec support is so good with rockbox. I rip to FLAC for my archives, then transcode to LAME APS for listening. 21.01.36 # I use LAME preset standard as well 21.03.02 # hee, me too :) 21.03.07 # Ogg has really got me interested for my 20GB players though, since 20GB is *only* about 250 APS albums. 21.03.10 # flac is too big for my liking 21.03.15 # and I don't hear any diff either 21.03.34 # I wonder how much, if any, quality difference I could hear between APS and ogg at Q4 for example. 21.05.43 Quit lee-qid__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.06.07 # bootloader works, yay :) 21.06.10 # now to get the actual firmware on 21.07.34 # benanne: I use FLAC for archives only. It also makes transcoding to other formats a snap for listening tests. Re-ripping is for suckers. ;-) 21.07.41 # woodensoul: that makes two of us 21.07.46 # hmm 21.07.50 # my hd space is limitted 21.07.57 # so is my monthly bandwidth :( 21.07.59 # limited* 21.08.01 # DVD-Rs are so cheap though. 21.08.06 # so I like it small 21.08.11 Join lee-qid__ [0] (n=liqid@p549648EB.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.08.21 # dwihno: two of us? 21.08.59 # woodensoul: flac for archiving, mp3 for playback on portable units. 21.09.43 # Quarryman: saa[b_r]ider: 21.09.46 # eh.. 21.10.21 # dwihno: Makes sense to me :-) 21.10.37 # And EAC is a given, I hope. 21.10.48 # * petur wonders if amiconn is around 21.11.02 # woodensoul: yeah, eac and verification to make sure the rips are ok 21.11.23 # woo 21.11.27 # my ipod is officially rockboxed 21.11.32 # congrats! 21.11.45 # welcome to the club of free people 21.11.48 # :D 21.11.53 # now to make it look better 21.11.56 # its themeable right 21.11.58 # Since more and more companies are employing copy protection, is it possible to do some kind of optical extraction and still get a 1:1 copy? 21.12.07 # * woodensoul uses secure mode with 'accurate stream' enabled and also 'drives caches' enabled 21.12.27 # benanne: there's a wps gallery in the wiki 21.12.55 # dwihno: Get a Plextor Premium and you'll be able to get around the copy protection using EAC. 21.12.58 # yeah :) 21.13.04 Quit lee-qid__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 21.13.05 # ima make it look hawt & sexeh. 21.13.10 # plextor is nice 21.13.16 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-92-200.tn.glocalnet.net) 21.13.18 # * petur has two of 'm 21.13.24 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 21.13.34 # their service is good two 21.13.39 # *too 21.13.42 # yay for anathema 21.13.42 # woodensoul: I got a pretty expensive plextor unit and it still failed me on some discs... :/ 21.14.00 # which version of EAC are you using? 21.14.03 # latest 21.14.10 # that could be your problem 21.14.25 # you think so? 21.14.36 # for some discs I need to make a copy with clonecd first, the copy is then ripable 21.14.44 # you should use .9 because some features were removed from later version for 'legal' reasons 21.14.52 # However I'm replacing my destop with a portable, so I guess I'll have to get an externaöl 21.15.15 # external CD-ROM for ripping on a laptop? 21.15.24 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 21.15.26 # petur: aah, funky! it works on all kinds of copy protection? 21.15.42 # it has done all disks here so far ;) 21.15.49 # woodensoul: if the optical unit is bad at handling copy protected discs, yes 21.16.11 # I haven't tested it thoroughly with all types, but I'v yet to come across a disc that wouldn't rip. 21.16.15 # petur: A pretty funky idea. I'll test that. 21.16.44 # petur: do you think the copying software matters? 21.16.47 # Exact Audio Copy 0.9 beta 4 is the version you want. 21.16.59 # activate the repair subchannel data function from clonecd 21.17.04 # woodensoul: Will get that. 21.17.20 # petur: doesn't that break something? 21.17.36 # eac have done wonders with some _old_ discs of mine 21.17.53 # hmmm I have 0.95 prebeta 5 - too recent? 21.18.17 # is it possible to pipe stuff in windows like in linux? 21.18.36 # for example, decoding flac and process it with lame 21.19.11 # yes 21.19.19 # piping is possible 21.19.38 # not sure if there are any apps that actually use it (much) 21.19.47 # * woodensoul uses two disc doctor repair units, one fitted with 2000 grit sandpaper, the other with the standard re-surfacing wheel to repair scratched discs. 21.19.48 # :/ 21.20.25 # pipes were used more in the dos days when we were still stuck to commandline interfaces 21.20.28 # spraying the disc with water first... of course 21.20.37 # how do I load music onto it now? Do I just stuff it in the root directory? 21.20.58 # benanne: make a folder structure as you like 21.21.00 # benanne: Just treat it like any disk attached to your computer 21.21.21 # cool :) 21.21.30 # Structure is a good thing anyhow... Think of the dir limits and stuff 21.22.40 # benanne: do you plan to try the album art enabled version of rockbox on you nano? 21.22.50 # hmm no 21.22.54 # don't care much for album covers :p 21.23.08 # Oh well, I think it's pretty. 21.23.22 # heh 21.23.44 # It looks nice on my H320. 21.24.30 # May I suggest the iCatcher WPS? I use a modified version of it on my H120. 21.24.46 # I'm thinking of using Neeon black meself 21.24.52 # just need to find out how to enable it :) 21.25.44 # How's the scroll wheel control with Rockbox? 21.25.48 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.25.56 # seems to work fine 21.26.08 # * petur points benanne to the wiki and the F(ine) M(manual) 21.26.33 # I like to figure things out on myself first ;) 21.26.56 # * woodensoul has been testing the latest CVS release for the bug I mentioned involving ID3 view crashing... 21.27.04 # It seems to be fixed. :-) 21.31.52 Quit akaidiot (Connection timed out) 21.34.58 # woodensoul: do you know what features were modified in eac? 21.35.36 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-90-157.tn.glocalnet.net) 21.35.46 # just a sec... 21.36.51 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.36.54 # um, guys 21.36.57 # my ipod isn't doing much... 21.37.09 # I cant seem to turn it on 21.37.13 # All I can say is that later version of EAC supposedly have features disable that have to do with copy protection. I'm not sure on the specifics. 21.38.29 # shit. 21.38.31 # this aint good. 21.38.37 # reset it? 21.38.42 # how do I do that? 21.38.44 # don't pani benanne 21.38.50 # panic even 21.38.52 # it doesn't do anything, I can't turn it on :( 21.38.57 # Can you secure rip with f2k0.9 now? 21.39.13 # and, btw, any plans on MKA-support in rb? 21.39.24 # i think before unplugging it i saw an image of a fully loaded battery with a yellow triangle and an exclamation mark in it 21.39.26 # f2k? 21.39.29 # foobar2k 21.39.30 # that's not good either is it 21.39.56 # the f2k devs stated thta they can securely rip with f2k 21.40.18 # benanne: I think it's a known problem... no harm there 21.40.39 # resetting worked 21.40.46 # menu + middle for 5 secs 21.40.54 # i hope it won't happen too often 21.40.57 # good 21.41.24 # what means "securely ripping"? 21.41.41 # benanne: ipod support will get better in time, be patient and enjoy what's there already 21.41.48 # okay :) 21.41.48 # bluebrother: well, no glitches... 21.42.01 # I didn't even know you could rip with f2k. 21.42.25 # bluebrother: and if the disc is damaged beyond "ripability", the sw should not tell the rip was ok 21.42.27 # * petur kicks the build servers 21.42.31 # * woodensoul get's perfect results with EAC setup as-is. Why mess with perfection? 21.43.02 # woodensoul: how is your drive configured? (I suppose it's a plextor premium) 21.44.11 # hmph, we're on top of /. again sorta 21.45.07 # dwihno: the Premium is one of the drives I use. All are configured as follows... 21.45.08 # shit. that's what slowing down the server :/ 21.45.35 # sandisk is apparently trying to talk to us about porting to their players? 21.45.49 # Secure mode: 'accurate stream' enable, 'drives caches' enabled, C2 disabled regardless if the drive supports C2 21.46.00 # lostlogic: read the committers ml please :D 21.46.14 # Make SURE overread into lead-in and lead-out is DISABLED unless you're sure your drive supports it. 21.46.21 # woo, tis playin :D 21.46.39 # oh dear 21.46.43 # the theme thing kinda fucked up, heh 21.46.48 # there you go 21.47.00 # can I reset the theme somehow? 21.47.34 # Plextor drives are the only ones I know will do that. 21.47.37 # select a different one... 21.47.37 # woodensoul: ah, okay 21.47.38 # eh, the problem is 21.47.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.47.56 # the background is white, and the fonts are also :p 21.47.56 # woodensoul: overreading lead-in does what? 21.47.56 # so I can't really select a different one 21.47.56 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 21.47.56 # that shouldn't happen... 21.48.04 # well it did, heh 21.48.20 # did it work properly at all before? 21.48.25 # overreads into the lead-in and lead-out section of the disc ;-) 21.48.31 # yes 21.48.36 # I changed it during playback and then it fucked up :( 21.48.40 # Otherwise some samples won't be ripped. Sorry that's all I really know. 21.48.44 # seems like only the font changed, but not the background 21.48.52 # I changed from the whiteish jack theme to the black-ish neeon black theme 21.48.53 # what exactly did you change? 21.49.08 # Most drives can't overread into lead-in and out so some samples can't be ripped. 21.49.09 # the theme 21.49.13 # through "browse themes" 21.49.21 # maybe if I turn it off and on it will be correct 21.49.24 # woodensoul: heh, I thought it had something to do with protection 21.49.27 # I always get the drive offset from accuraterip.com and put that in too. 21.49.31 # there is a way to reset 21.49.35 # but the traditional "hold play" doesn't seem to turn it off 21.49.38 # i have a lot to learn :) 21.49.44 # although I'm not sure how for iPods don't own one 21.49.46 # dwihno: Not related to protection as far as I know. 21.50.38 # Has anyone else noticed that seeking within a track no longer breaks the gapless transition? 21.50.38 # woodensoul: so just getting any missing samples then :) 21.50.59 # the .cfg file for the theme you chose may not have a setting for font color (or font type for that matter) so the font most likely stayed like it was in the previously loaded theme 21.51.08 # woodensoul: depending on the quality of the optical drive on my new notebook, I'll perhaps just get an external for that purpose (I do listen to a lot of music) 21.51.45 # dwihno: I got an enclosure for laptop ripping because in my experience all laptop drives are horrible at ripping with the setup I use. 21.52.03 # very slow and horrible with scratches 21.52.11 # petur: hmph, neat! 21.52.39 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.52.43 # hmm, it crashed again after I disconnected it :( 21.52.48 # the theme is fixed now though 21.53.26 # benanne: I think it's a known problem... no harm there 21.53.28 # woodensoul: that's kind of what I am expecting. 21.53.35 # hmm, slightly annoying, but oh well 21.53.38 # * petur wonders about the echo 21.53.57 # Ripping in burst mode will be fast, but the quality will make it useless. 21.54.23 # *never* rip in burst mode 21.54.42 # it's a recipe for bad rips 21.54.52 # no wait, not fixed :( 21.55.13 # benanne: what are you doing? 21.55.32 # trying to fix my theme trouble 21.55.37 # it seems to have combined two themes now 21.55.47 # the white background from the jack2 theme with the white text from the neeon black theme 21.55.50 # if you need a suggestion for a drive that's good for ripping audio and happens to burn DL DVDs as a bonus... Toshiba SD-R 5372 21.56.10 # I actually find it better than the Plextor Premium often and that's really saying something 21.56.16 # I got it for less than $50. 21.56.23 # benanne: a theme consist of a .wps and a .cfg - you need both 21.56.38 # I just extracted the zipfile into .rockbox 21.56.43 # for both themes 21.57.14 # right, so one of the themes probably doesn't specify the bg color. bad theme :( 21.57.20 # yeah 21.57.46 # I think i'll just reinstall or something 21.58.33 # * woodensoul is off to finish season 3 of 24. 21.58.39 # if you change a setting, you need to stop the ipod a normal way for the setting to get stored. If you reset it or plug the usb cable it reboots without saving (again, known problem) 21.58.45 # oh, damn 21.58.49 # okay 21.58.52 # benanne: switch on hold while booting 21.59.00 # it will reset your settings 21.59.04 # oh lol 21.59.08 # well i'm already reinstalling heh 21.59.18 # won't help you.... 21.59.26 # settings aren't stored in a file :p 22.00.03 # oh 22.00.03 # lol 22.00.04 # benanne: Try the themes from http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_176x132x16.html, I have tested most of them on my own Nano, and they worked OK... 22.00.37 # menu is fixed now though 22.00.48 # yay :) 22.00.51 # its very sexy now 22.00.54 # entirely black :D 22.01.08 # with black text? :D 22.01.17 # lol no 22.01.21 # I get "error accessing playlist control file" now though :( 22.01.23 # just kidding 22.01.50 # but playback works fine 22.01.55 # RedBreva: how have you build up your themes page? Is it statically? 22.02.07 # Also, good tip is boot into Apple firmware before connecting to PC, the USB mode is *way* faster than the bootloader USB mode (At The Moment) and if you have the option to 'Eject' the device before unplugging, it seems to help 22.02.10 # very nice, heh 22.02.18 # bluebrother: Yep, afraid so.. 22.02.32 # well, i always do "eject /dev/sdb" before unplugging 22.02.40 # the last time it seemed to work without having to hard reset 22.02.54 # hmm, I just had the idea of having something that builds up automatically. Like having a .zip and a description file 22.03.06 # ah, it has an equalizer :o 22.03.06 # yay! 22.03.20 # maybe I should start looking into php again ... 22.03.47 # shouldn't be difficult. Maybe rockbox itself wants to host something like that? 22.03.58 # The idea was to get a site that worked first, and then work out some automation later, but then I had a hernia repair, and sitting up for more than 20 minutes became difficult for a few weeks... 22.04.00 # php is evil :p 22.04.15 # php is great ;-) 22.04.18 # RedBreva: ouch! 22.04.28 # I know... :( 22.04.29 # I hate php 22.04.33 # * benanne is a ruby on rails zealot 22.04.58 # RedBreva: can you run php scripts? 22.05.31 # me personally, no I can't cout that fast, but I believe my ISP can ;-) 22.05.43 # cout = count 22.06.09 # damn, real life calls again.... later guys 22.06.12 Quit Poka64 ("now it's time for great heroes to become legends") 22.07.42 # heehee, I like the special effects 22.07.45 # fadeout blacklight etc :D 22.07.54 # woo, gapless :o 22.08.25 # very nice 22.08.53 # now, I need some more bass >:) 22.08.57 # * benanne toys with the equalizer 22.09.28 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-90-152.tn.glocalnet.net) 22.10.11 # haha, great stuff 22.10.30 # the slight cosmetic errors here and there aren't going to stop me from enjoying it :) thanks guys 22.11.27 # as they say, it can only get better ;) 22.12.36 # is it me or does it boot faster than the default firmware :p 22.17.46 Quit anathema (Nick collision from services.) 22.18.21 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 22.19.12 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.20.09 Join Xinux [0] (n=Xinux@24-216-114-112.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 22.31.35 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3562501.sympatico.ca) 22.40.50 Quit sharpe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.16 Join Tom_ [0] (n=Tom@81-6-224-154.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 22.51.08 # Am I alone experiencing random freezes with latest cvs version? I did compile it by myself, maybe its the cause, I don't know 22.53.08 Join lee-qid__ [0] (n=liqid@p549648EB.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.53.38 Join stevenm [0] (n=stevenm@c-69-140-125-86.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 22.53.43 # Hey we got slashdotted 22.53.56 # hah, cool 22.54.20 # not so much as last time 22.54.31 # yea but still 22.54.33 # server is still up :D 22.54.42 # at least they're not looking for RB 3.0 22.55.12 # is it some sort of bug with the cypress chip? maybe some junk gets written to it by accident or something 22.55.23 # and it turns everything on and kills the battery 22.56.40 Join deadlierc [0] (n=181607ee@labb.contactor.se) 22.58.17 Join pekuja [0] (i=pekuja@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) 22.59.31 # Hi. I have an iriver H320. I was looking at the Rockbox page, and the front page and the WhyRockBox page seem to say that the H3xx-series is supported, but the FAQ says that it's still in development. Which is true? 23.00.16 # I understand there is a bootloader, but is it currently at a state that I as a user should be interested in installing it? 23.00.28 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.00.36 # pekuja: it works really well on the h320 23.00.36 # however 23.00.39 # there _are_ bugs 23.00.50 # ok 23.00.53 # and as such, you may encounter them using it as an end user, having said that 23.01.05 # I understand. 23.01.06 # i use rockbox on my 5g ipod, and that's been in development for much less time than the H series of irivers 23.01.12 Join saa[b_r]ider [0] (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.99.237) 23.01.42 # It's possible to dual boot to the iriver firmware or completely uninstall Rockbox if it doesn't work for me, right? 23.01.48 # yup 23.01.50 Quit Lez (Remote closed the connection) 23.01.57 # I'm quite interested in trying it out even if it turns out not to be stable enough or whatever. :-) 23.02.13 # well, it's pretty solid on the ipod, from what i hear the H3XX series is pretty rock solid 23.02.17 # Thanks. I think I'll go download the firmware. 23.02.21 # wow. 23.02.26 # pekuja: also note that battery life is a bit worse than iriver firmware, a bug that still needs fixing 23.03.08 # all other things are better than iriver firmware ;) 23.06.14 # apart from you can't use the SRS WOW :( 23.06.23 # bleh 23.06.51 # that crap ruins your music 23.07.06 # how does it 'ruin' your music? 23.07.17 # As far as I'm concerned, the lack of SRS WOW is a feature. 23.07.26 # it makes it sound bad 23.07.43 # how does it make it sound 'bad' ? 23.08.33 # By altering phase information to simulate spatial cues, for one thing. 23.08.37 # as in 'not as intended by the artist' ? times 10 23.08.58 # what's SRS WOW? 23.09.05 # listening to your music in mp3/ogg isn't intended by the artist 23.09.13 # BS. 23.09.14 # rotfl 23.09.46 # Yeah k, elvis intended his music to be ripped to MP3. Nice! 23.09.46 # Febs: have you noted my comment on this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5458 23.10.10 # is there no Linux version of the H3xx firmware patcher? 23.10.26 # run it under wine 23.10.28 # *crosses fingers* okay, boot!! 23.10.38 # Tom_, does it run under wine? 23.10.44 # I'm thinking if it would be better using -- or omitting the if is used. 23.10.45 # yes 23.11.17 # Come on Febs, did Elvis really intend you to listen to his music in MP3 format? 23.11.19 # well, no luck :( 23.11.25 # Or is that BS too? 23.11.32 # /whois Elvis 23.11.35 # oops 23.11.48 # does Rockbox take a while to load or should it go right away? (4g iPod) 23.11.50 # let me guess ... Elvis isn't on this channel? 23.11.57 # I doubt Elvis cared about the format you listen to it in 23.11.59 # If you take care in encoding your mp3/ogg, the result can be perceptually transparent , ie., indistinguishable from the CD. 23.12.07 # s/it/his music/ 23.12.51 # Personally, I have produced three CDs and recorded on several others. I've never found an SRS WOW setting that is even close to anything *I* intended for that music. 23.13.04 # MP3s made from my CD, however, sound like my CD. 23.13.07 # did you try setting it up ? 23.13.19 Join sharpe [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc3i.cable.mindspring.com) 23.13.23 # 'like' being the key word 23.13.27 # bluebrother, I like your proposal. 23.13.33 Join Lez [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 23.13.38 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.5.146.novuscom.net) 23.13.47 # I would vote for keeping the resolution. 23.14.03 # like = indistuinguishable in a double-blind test. 23.14.13 # not that I need it, but since you said that Rockbox is better than iriver firmware in every way, does Rockbox also play videos? 23.14.26 # then I'll try to finish my screenshot macro hacking ;-) 23.14.53 # no, that's not the defintion of like Febs, go read the dictionary 23.15.16 # I see we have a master of rhetoric among us. 23.16.29 # From Dictionary.com. Like: "Possessing *the same* or almost the same characteristics; similar: on this and like occasions." (emphasis mine) 23.17.17 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.17.17 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 23.17.23 # Tom_: please drop the attitude 23.17.30 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.17.30 # it'll make this a nicer place 23.17.33 # He's got the attitude, not me. 23.17.42 # bluebrother, what do you think of the screen shots for larger screen platforms like the H300 and ipod video? 23.17.43 Join JBGood [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.223.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 23.17.46 # you're the noob, Febs is not 23.17.59 # How do you know I'm a 'noob' ? 23.18.03 # pekuja, not quite yet. well, not on iriver anyway 23.18.12 # Febs: we need to decide which goes as "natural" screenshot. 23.18.16 # pekuja, gets 70fps on archis though 23.18.21 # archos 23.18.35 # just because you haven't incorporated one of the better functions into your Rockbox firmware, I'm a noob? 23.18.35 # stevenm, ok, cool 23.18.39 # Yeah, IMO, those screenshots are very difficult to read. 23.18.42 # i.e. having h300 as -220x176x16 and the video -220-176-16-video 23.18.47 # or different way round. 23.18.58 # Or using a bigger font? 23.19.05 # pekuja, not on iriver... i think there's some ogg/theora in the works.. but i dont know. you can always boot to original fw for that 23.19.31 # http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/02/166210 - SanDisk Baits Apple And Woos Rockbox, how is Rockbox being wooed? ;) 23.19.33 # stevenm, oh, I don't need it really. I never used it other than watching the demo video once :-P 23.19.33 # using a bigger font was suggested for 3.1, wasn't it? So we could use that bigger font ... if we knew which it will be 23.19.36 # Well Bagder? Or are you going to continually brown nose your friend? 23.19.39 # Tom_: so implement it and show us how god you are 23.19.45 Kick (#Rockbox Tom_ :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder 23.20.06 # stevenm, it seemed too limited. dunno if it was really all that hard to use though, but I didn't really have a need to watch videos on the go 23.20.23 # bluebrother, I haven't looked at the 3.1 goals recently, but I would definitely support a bigger system font. 23.20.23 # yea 23.21.05 # Tom_,(1) whether SRS WOW is a "better" function is something that is highly subjective. 23.21.13 # I'd say postpone the bigger resolution problem past 3.0 23.21.21 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 23.21.33 # and try to get it "smooth" internally now. 23.21.37 # (2) Rockbox has a number of features, in particular parametric EQ and crossfeed, that are IMO "better" than SRS WOW 23.21.51 # bluebrother: do we really need to waste cycles on anti-aliasing? 23.21.54 # a bigger font would definitely better and imo the best solution. 23.21.57 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.21.57 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 23.21.58 # blueborther, sounds like a plan. 23.22.09 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.22.35 # crash: cycles on antialiasing? On displaying the manual? Or what do you mean? 23.22.38 # Tom_, but nothing stops you (or anyone else who is interested) in implementing an SRS WOW feature if you'd like to have one. 23.23.02 # Febs: this is why we use tabcomplete :) 23.23.43 Join webguest46 [0] (n=45dda8ec@labb.contactor.se) 23.23.55 # Tom_, actually, that's not quite true. Dolby's patents stop you from doing so, but you could implement an SRS-like feature. 23.24.19 # isn't "SRS-WOW" just ridiculously boosted bass? 23.24.19 # hm, he replied to ping in 1.7 seconds but looks like lagging anyway? weird 23.24.28 # Mikachu, no tab complete on the web interface :( and my company has a web filter that blocks me from using IRC. 23.24.35 # IRC/MIRC 23.24.48 # in case you didn't notice, bagder kicked him a while ago 23.25.03 # Oh. 23.25.05 # * Febs blushes. 23.26.10 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 23.26.22 # ok, I think my iriver is broken now, and I didn't even install Rockbox yet O__o 23.27.05 # I have nothing plugged into it, and then it says "charging..." "complete" "connected" and then won't react to anything but a hard reset 23.27.09 # weird 23.27.40 # pekuja, go to misticriver.net and look for the thread called "How to fix the [rare] always connected bug." 23.27.56 # whoa, thanks 23.28.59 # Here's a link: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=26516&highlight=rare+connected 23.29.14 # No guarantees, but I know that has worked for some people. 23.32.12 Join new5guser [0] (n=425d0cd3@labb.contactor.se) 23.32.25 Quit jbauman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.35.05 # Febs, it worked swell. thanks 23.35.28 # didn't have any wire around, had to use two pins, but worked all the same 23.36.07 # amiconn? 23.38.22 # yeih, it's working now 23.38.42 Join dionoea [0] (n=dionoea@poy.chewa.net) 23.40.07 # RedBreva: I was playing around a bit with a themes php script ... tell me if you're interested (and are reading this ;-) 23.40.51 # pekuja, I'm glad to hear it worked. 23.40.53 # hello all. I used to have an archos recorder 6GB with rockbox (which i really enjoyed using) and i'm planning on buying a new mp3 player. Is the rockbox port for video iPods usable ? 23.41.24 # dionoea, I've been using it since the day I bought my ipod about a month and a half ago. 23.41.39 # nice :) 23.42.41 Join sbrick89 [0] (n=186a4f7e@labb.contactor.se) 23.42.41 Quit sharpe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.43.07 Join yodaz [0] (n=yoda@yodnet.com) 23.43.09 # any known issues ? (other than battery life being shorter than with original apple firmware) 23.43.10 # hi all 23.43.28 # (i'd be glad to help fixing bugs in rockbox if i do buy an iPod) 23.43.38 # is it possible to install rockbox on an ipod mini 1st gen with only one fat 32 partition 23.44.05 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 23.44.30 # Slashdot and Engadget today apparently. 23.44.39 # yeah 23.44.45 # * petur tries to understand cpu_boost() ... what a strange way to code that logic 23.44.46 # premature is not even the name for it 23.44.48 # the goal is using the ipode mini as a standard usb key, and rockbox to play mp3 23.44.51 # dionoea, if you use a WPS with peakmeters active, or if you use the graphic EQ, it can cause skipping. 23.45.34 # Is AAC planned as part of 3.0? (it's just there was some talk of dropping it...) 23.45.43 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-4-48.tn.glocalnet.net) 23.45.55 # i saw that some nice color WPS were available ... that's an improvement over the archos recorder :) 23.46.01 # Likewise, if you spin through the scroll wheel too fast, that can cause music to glitch. But these are relatively small things. 23.46.08 # I wonder if this is going to be a good thing or a bad thing. 23.46.08 Join BioVorE [0] (n=kvirc@c-69-140-16-89.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 23.46.10 # was the album art patch commited to trunk ? 23.46.30 # Febs: so it basically works ok all the time ? :) 23.46.37 # No, the album art an unofficial patch. 23.47.18 # :( 23.47.22 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 23.47.37 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm glad I haven't said more about in public than what I have 23.47.41 # anyone know what the chances are, of rockbox being ported to other players? 23.47.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.47.43 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 23.48.16 # sbrick89: we've been doing new platforms since the start 23.48.32 # how exactly is Sandisk "wooing" Rockbox? Or is this just speculation from IRC/Forum posts 23.48.36 # Bagder: You think it's just someone who picked it up from like, the IRC logs? 23.48.48 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes, and my mention it in the forums 23.49.01 # ok more specifically, is there a list of platforms that rockbox is being actively ported to? 23.49.02 # btw, i was wondering if some of the new players would work as usb hosts, like archo's gmini 402 for example? (any known hardware related problems?) 23.49.28 # (and provided that a usb driver existed in rockbox for those players) 23.49.36 # Well, the story has hit CNET as well: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/digitalmusic/0,39029432,49273890,00.htm 23.49.44 # Bagder: they must have missed the initial mail by paprica on the ml 23.49.45 # sbrick89: gigabeat is in the pipe and ifp-799 23.49.58 # petur: that was on the committers list 23.50.05 # was it? 23.50.09 # Hm... Rockbox seems to be pretty neat. 23.50.14 Join sharpe [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc3i.cable.mindspring.com) 23.50.19 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 23.50.33 # The UI is a bit crude, but at least it's less confusing than iriver's original. 23.50.35 # Paul_The_Nerd: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/05/rockbox-on-the-sandisk-sansa-e200-series.php 23.50.39 # Bagder: oh right.... 23.50.48 # Anyone here of this school project: http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=187340&cid=15458147 ? 23.50.52 # although the huge menu can probably get a bit annoying 23.51.06 # I can't help but wonder if SanDisk didn't leak the info itself. 23.51.24 Quit benanne ("dada") 23.51.49 # the seamless playback is cool. I like listening to progressive rock, many of those albums are designed to be played seamlessly 23.52.27 # Well, the CNET one led to the Slashdot one. 23.53.22 Join zivan56-2 [0] (n=not@64.46.5.161.novuscom.net) 23.53.22 # there are like a hundred people in here that could have seen the conversation 23.53.40 # Febs: That is possible, since "Open Source Firmware" is the opposite end of the spectrum from how closed Apple's iBlah system is, and Sandisk has been going very anti-iPod right now. 23.54.08 # bagder: so i guess my lyra's prolly not getting much attention?... das cool, just wanted to know 23.54.17 # dionoea: Some players have the hardware for USB Host (the iRiver H300 and iAudio X5 do) but Rockbox doesn't have any support for it yet. 23.54.29 # sbrick89: there's not been any reports about any such attempts, afaik 23.54.43 # sbrick89: a port needs one or a team of interested people, and then just go 23.54.45 Quit zivan56 (Nick collision from services.) 23.54.56 # Bagder: I thought the RCA Lyra had been brought up in the newport forum at least 23.55.06 # Paul_The_Nerd: so the hardware is specific to host or slave ? or is the difference software only ? (/me doens't know anything about USB) 23.55.09 # well.. it needs knowledgable people w/ available equipment to test on, etc... 23.55.10 # is there a way to use an ipod with rockbox as a standard usb key formatted in fat32 with only one partition ? 23.55.11 Nick zivan56-2 is now known as zivan56 (n=not@64.46.5.161.novuscom.net) 23.55.17 # sbrick89: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4396.0 23.55.24 # i've *no idea* about the platform that any of these things use 23.55.25 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.55.25 # ah yes, "port soon" it says 23.55.25 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 23.55.35 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-135-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.55.40 # yodaz: that is how you're supposed to use it 23.55.48 # Of course, "port soon" is somewhat optimistic since it seems little actual programming is being done by them. ;) 23.55.49 # sbrick89: we know that already 23.56.00 # tms320 23.56.06 # meet TI 23.56.07 Quit c0utta ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.56.11 # fear TI 23.56.37 # Mikachu: ok, so if i drop all partition on my ipod, then create just one in fat32, I can install rockbox on it and it will works ? 23.56.42 # hm... i like how this IRC client highlights people sayin my name ;) 23.56.42 # anyway 23.56.52 # yodaz: not literally, but yes :) 23.57.01 # Mikachu: wonderful :) 23.57.07 # yodaz: you will have two partitions like you have with the stock ipod firmware 23.57.09 # sbrick89: what irc client? 23.57.10 # you just ROCKS guys ! 23.57.12 # dionoea: In many cases the hardware can only be slave, yes. I _think_ that someone has said the iPod Hardware could potentially allow host too, since it's actually more software controlled, but I really don't know too much about it either, just what I've observed people saying. 23.57.30 # in fact, I _think_ it uses a tms320 since the Lyra RD2780 does 23.58.00 # bagder: i'm sure ya know... like i said was just curious since i'd love to use the FM as a recorder, which the lyra chooses not to allow :P 23.58.01 # thx :) 23.58.17 # BioVorE: the web/cgi client on their website 23.58.29 # sbrick89: gather all your geek friends owning such players and get a port started! 23.58.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: ok, thanks for the info 23.58.52 # we'll send you a beer when you're done! 23.58.54 # i'm already working on enough stuff, thx though