--- Log for 03.06.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 months and 9 days ago 00.00.01 # Mikachu: hmm I must have two partition already ? 00.00.07 # sbrick89: ah.. kvirc dose that highlighting thing too 00.00.16 # yodaz: maybe you should just read the installation instructions? 00.00.50 # Mikachu: I have read the installation instructions 00.01.27 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 00.01.43 # welp, i'm outty 00.01.44 # thx again 00.02.09 Part sbrick89 00.02.34 # Mikachu: but in fact the problem is that I have a dvd/divx home player that can only read usb key with one fat32 partition 00.02.41 # Febs: I think people are just too used to software where the new version is kept under wraps until there's a Release Candidate, unless you actually get it from CVS and compile yourself. 00.03.12 # yodaz: it might work and it might not, the other partition is "hidden" 00.03.22 # Mikachu: ok 00.04.20 # but I have tried and my home dvd/divx player doesn't recognize the ipod :-\ 00.05.26 # perhaps I should buy a most "smart" home divx player :) 00.05.31 # last question before i go to sleep: is video decoding support already being worked on on the iPod ? or maybe volunteers wanted ? 00.06.00 # anyway rockbox on ipode just rocks because I can play my ogg tune 00.06.09 # s/ipode/ipod 00.06.14 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.06.58 # damn, I'm kinda sarcastic today :D 00.09.09 # dionoea: Nobody seems to be working on it. 00.10.57 # well i'll have a look when once i buy the iPod :D (understanding how to interact with the video decoding hardware might be fun ... if specs are available :) ) 00.11.38 # no such things available 00.12.19 # crap :) i guess that the only alternative is blackmailing one of the chip's manufacturers 00.13.07 Quit JBGood (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.14.05 # last question (even if this isn't the best chan to ask for an objective answer): how does ipod linux compare to rockbox in terms of features/quality/... ? 00.15.15 # Different design philosophies mean you can't really objectively compare them. 00.15.24 # last time i tried ipodlinux, it was very buggy. but that was months ago 00.15.28 # dionoea: It depends on how you intend to use your player 00.16.00 # does Rockbox do USB charging on an iriver? 00.16.14 # dionoea: If you wanna use your ipod as a pda, ipodlinux is a little better 00.16.32 # yodaz: using a shell with 6 buttons might be a bit difficult :) 00.16.34 # but If you just want a music player rockbox is perfect 00.17.13 # dionoea: :) 00.17.59 # but since they have all those keyboard hacks listed on the wiki... who knows 00.19.35 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.19.44 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 00.20.44 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-7-244.tn.glocalnet.net) 00.20.47 Quit stevenm ("Connection reset by beer") 00.21.24 # dionoea: I don't think that using an ipod for other things like playing music or videos is a good idea 00.21.59 # dionoea: I installed rockbox yesterday on my ipod nano and am in love. :) 00.23.55 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 00.25.08 # I just need to figure out the best way to manage my files now. ;) 00.25.09 # the Rockbox Info shows me a battery state of 88% 7h 53m on my H320, how accurate is that? 00.26.03 # ++ 00.26.09 # mocker: hehe :) 00.26.23 # i heard about some new media database stuff in rockbox. 00.26.32 # does that work well ? 00.27.30 # dionoea: TagCache works alright. Not perfect yet, and has some notable flaws (for example, songs don't get removed from the database, so you have to delete it and tell it to rebuild) 00.28.11 Part stripwax 00.33.16 Quit Siku () 00.34.03 # hum, navigating the simulator with a laptop's keyboard isn't really easy 00.34.46 # dionoea: I haven't even tried. 00.35.03 # dionoea: One of the reason's I installed rockbox was to get away from a "media database" 00.35.23 # rha! i can't draw new cards in solitaire :) 00.35.29 Quit Xinux ("Leaving") 00.36.07 Join Andy__ [0] (n=51e2f433@labb.contactor.se) 00.36.42 Quit akaidiot (Connection timed out) 00.37.02 # hum.. how do i access the "committers ml" about the sandisk e200 stuff? ( i have cvs commit access.. :) ) 00.38.03 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.41.59 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.42.52 # hello.. how can i make my h10 display the cover while playing a song? 00.43.19 # YouCeyE: I don't believe the H10 has cover art. 00.43.20 # Rockbox doesn't run on h10 00.43.54 # Paul_The_Nerd, so it just displays jpegs in photo mode? 00.45.29 # Anyone know if http://rockboxvideo.redbreva.co.uk 00.45.32 # Bagder, are there any future plans for developing rockbox on h10? 00.45.35 # will work on the nano? 00.46.01 # YouCeyE: Anyone who wants to is free to start a new port. 00.46.02 # YouCeyE: if someone with an h10 makes that work then sure 00.47.45 # :) 00.48.00 # i heard that it has the same chip as ipod? 00.48.05 # the 20 gb one 00.48.28 # YouCeyE: see here => http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2437.0 00.48.42 # i am interested in getting involved but have limited exp in embedded firmware development 00.48.52 # any nice howtos.. with small examples? 00.49.18 # i am on debian linux.. can u suggest some good ide to work on 00.49.21 Quit Poka64 ("all hail xorg") 00.49.25 # mocker: video works only on archos devices. And only the rockbox-specific rvf 00.50.23 Quit ender` (" Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence.") 00.52.20 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.00.46 # what is this feature called? dap showing cover while playing mp3.. cover art? 01.01.01 # album art.. cover art.. 01.01.15 # ipod supports it? 01.01.23 # there's a patch that calls it 'album art'. 01.01.27 # and iriver doesnt? 01.01.31 # not in Rockbox, only as a patch. 01.01.34 # sleep 01.01.36 # ic 01.02.15 # Bagder, um, nite? :) 01.09.00 Part Paul_The_Nerd 01.14.39 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 01.18.35 # hm... there should really be a prioritation for the music playback 01.19.03 # I mean it's annoying if you're playing music and playing around with the plugins and suddenly the music stops because the plugin is hogging all the resources 01.19.25 # then plugins run really slow.. 01.19.36 # music playback + plugins = simply bad, for now. 01.19.48 # nothing is really optimized or fully taken advantage of. 01.19.51 # yeah 01.20.03 # in its current state the goal is simply to get everything working, optimization comes later. 01.20.04 # well, I think it's better for the plugin to run slow than the music to stop 01.20.11 # but yeah I agree 01.20.39 # I can just shut the plugin down if it hogs all the resources 01.23.07 # * midkay shrugs 01.23.16 # it's not that it's really a bad idea, just nobody's done it.. 01.23.26 # either way, it needs to be really 'fixed', so nobody has really bothered.. 01.23.35 # it's just a small, rather bad workaround for the larger problem. 01.23.35 # making a scheduler is probably not a trivial task 01.24.00 # mikamika! 01.24.16 # heh 01.30.43 Quit Kohlrabi ("Hello my name is CoolClonk .") 01.33.53 Quit Andy__ ("CGI:IRC") 01.36.56 # what does rb->iso_decode do, also, what's it's return value 01.37.11 # or what does it return that is 01.39.24 # i would guess it converts the 'native' encoding to utf8 01.41.16 # ahh, thanks 01.46.41 Join M79 [0] (n=M79@CPE000d88a9b0ae-CM001225708be2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.46.58 Join webguest56 [0] (n=461bb213@labb.contactor.se) 01.47.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.47.45 Quit webguest56 (Client Quit) 01.48.11 Join Aditya|Nap [0] (i=user@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 01.48.22 Part Aditya|Nap 01.51.12 Quit lee-qid__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.54.21 Quit deadlierc ("CGI:IRC") 01.55.19 Join Paul_The_Ner1 [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 01.57.43 Quit M79 () 01.58.28 Join Paul_The_Ner2 [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 01.59.43 Nick Paul_The_Ner2 is now known as Paul_the_Ner2 (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 02.00.18 Nick Paul_the_Ner2 is now known as Paul_the_Nerd (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 02.01.20 Part pixelma 02.03.46 Part Paul_the_Nerd 02.16.02 Quit Paul_The_Ner1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.17.17 Quit aghaster ("Leaving") 02.19.54 Join aghaster [0] (n=aghaster@modemcable010.69-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.21.16 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 02.21.37 Quit aghaster (Nick collision from services.) 02.22.01 Join aghaster__ [0] (n=aghaster@modemcable010.69-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.23.00 Part aghaster__ ("Leaving") 02.23.47 Join aghaster [0] (n=aghaster@modemcable010.69-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.39.44 Quit aghaster (Remote closed the connection) 02.40.26 Join agentorange711 [0] (n=Super@brai061246.halls.colostate.edu) 02.41.20 # is anyone in here? 02.41.38 # yes. 02.43.33 # do you know much about getting rockbox onto an ipod? 02.44.59 # What problem are you having? 02.45.54 # if i decide that i don't like rockbox could i reinstall the original ipod firmware? 02.46.34 # Easily. 02.46.49 # They also exist alongside, so when Rockbox is on it, you can also boot into the Apple firmware if you feel you want to. 02.47.33 # i haven't actually gottne rockbox on yet, im doing that as we speak, how long does it normally take? 02.47.53 # Depends on how confused you get by the instructions. 02.48.28 # im not actually reading ahead, but they are pretty straightforeward 02.48.29 # If I had all the files downloaded, I could probably do it in under a minute. 02.48.55 # But that being said, I've done several installations, and so on, so it's almost habit now. 02.49.13 # aha 02.49.31 # i just unzipped the files into the main drive folder 02.50.08 # And you've done all the ipodpatcher (or dd if you're in linux/unix/OSX) and ipod_fw steps? 02.50.11 # it seems as if that all i have to do 02.50.21 # what are those 02.50.28 # Alright, where are you getting instructions from? 02.50.58 # i found a pdf file on the website 02.51.01 # You should be following these: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 02.51.09 # Paul_the_Nerd, check your nick capitalization! :( 02.51.11 # thank you 02.51.20 # xchat has chosen a new color for the new case, and i miss the old green. 02.51.25 # The Manual tells you to install the bootloader, but I don't believe it tells you where. 02.51.26 # now you're red. 02.51.27 # :) 02.51.28 Nick Paul_the_Nerd is now known as Paul_The_Nerd (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 02.51.31 # That better? 02.51.32 # merci. :DDDD 02.51.34 # ah. yes. 02.51.36 # you're actually ltblue. 02.52.14 # Yeah, I get used to looking for people in certain colors, but every now and then I do something and my client reassigns colors, and suddenly I get confused by who's saying what. 02.52.42 # haha. 02.52.55 # colors are a nice subliminal-ish ..... thing. 02.52.59 # Yup 02.53.04 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.53.17 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 02.53.45 # installed "nicenicks" a few days ago.. supposed to give each nick its own absolutely unique color (since xchat by default simply randomly assigns like 10 basic colors).. 02.53.51 # but it changed everything.. so i uninstalled it. :) 02.53.59 # nickcolour.pl is good if you use irssi 02.54.10 Join calibretto [0] (n=N@stf046.stf-modem.wwu.edu) 02.54.16 # hi 02.54.31 # It seems to me someone could come up with simply generating a color based on the nickname (with maybe a case sensitive switch). 02.54.39 # yes, that's what it does 02.54.47 # does anyone know if the Bauer stereophonic-to-binaural DSP plug could be ported to ROckbox? 02.55.31 # calibretto: From reading about it, is it similar to our "crossfeed" feature? 02.56.03 # Not to be confused with crossfade. Seriously, one of those needs a new name. 02.56.14 # hehe, I understand your confusion 02.57.00 # well, binaural is a way of recording with a dummy head with two microphones inserted at where the ears would be 02.57.00 # http://www.tmn.ru/~bor 02.57.12 # crossfeed attempts to create a better stereo image 02.57.29 # and stereo to binaural attemps to simulate having done that? 02.57.30 # how different and how alike they are? I can't tell youe xactly 02.57.36 # im stuck on the command prompt part 02.57.42 # can anyone help me on ther 02.57.42 # Mikachu: yes 02.57.59 # agentorange711: What problem are you having with it? 02.58.17 # I haven't installed Rockbox yet...I just learned about it from /. 02.58.28 # calibretto: Either way, if the DSP can be expressed as fixed point C code, I don't see why it couldn't be ported. 02.58.42 # it has to be relatively fast too... 02.58.51 # Mikachu: Well, it makes a claim for speed. 02.58.53 # every time i type in cd \rockbox it gives me some sort of messege like this system cannot find this path 02.59.26 # http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bs2b/bs2b-2.0.0b2-w32bin.zip 02.59.46 # agentorange711: Is there a C:\Rockbox folder? 03.00.08 # i really feel like an idiot now 03.00.18 # brb 03.00.19 Quit calibretto () 03.00.50 Join calibretto [0] (n=N@stf046.stf-modem.wwu.edu) 03.01.47 Quit calibretto (Client Quit) 03.03.11 Join Aghaster [0] (n=Aghaster@modemcable010.69-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) 03.09.50 Part agentorange711 03.09.57 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.12.57 Quit kkurbjun ("CGI:IRC") 03.13.04 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=8a434b4e@labb.contactor.se) 03.14.03 Join agentorange711 [0] (n=Super@brai061246.halls.colostate.edu) 03.16.14 # i put the bootloader on and i extracted the files to the root folder, then i held the play button for 5 seconds to turn the ipod off, when i turned it back on, it was still running the ipod firmware 03.16.19 # what did i do wrong? 03.17.37 # is anyone in here? 03.18.14 # I think you need to reset the ipod, but i don't know the button combination 03.18.33 # The play button doesn't turn it off in the Apple firmware 03.18.36 # It just makes it sleep 03.18.40 # Hold Menu+Select instead 03.19.01 # for how long? 03.19.14 # Until it reboots? 03.20.03 # It should be just a few seconds, but if your finger wiggles on the scrollwheel it can cause it not to work, or to take a bit longer. It seems to interrupt it if it picks up a scroll, sometimes. 03.20.42 Quit hardeep ("[BX] I wonder what this button marked "EOF" does...") 03.20.53 # there we go 03.20.57 # thanks 03.30.52 Part agentorange711 03.35.15 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.40.52 Join agentorange711 [0] (n=Super@brai061246.halls.colostate.edu) 03.42.21 # i just got rockbox on my ipod, now it crashed on me after working for about 5 minutes when i rebooted the ipod, the ipod gave me an error message and loaded the ipod firmware up, does anyone know whats going on? 03.43.04 # Well, it'd probably also be helpful to know what the error message was. 03.43.22 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd6701e@labb.contactor.se) 03.44.28 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.45.17 # sorry, it just flashes on the screen really quickly, i think it said something like error -5 reloading original firmware or something like that 03.45.53 # Well, the number actually tells us more about what's going on, so see if you can at least spot what error number it is. 03.46.51 # it says rock box error: -5 03.47.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.48.25 # does that help at all 03.49.00 # Well, I don't know which error message -5 is. Need to figure out what file to look it up in 03.50.16 Join grumillo [0] (n=zabagi@c-71-198-181-49.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 03.52.20 Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-189.kotinet.com) 03.55.02 # i just reinstalled it and it worked just fine, is there a way to navigate to where my itunes puts the music? 03.55.26 # You wouldn't be able to tell what the songs are named anyway, iTunes gives them random names like M4FL.m4a 03.55.50 # If you want to continue using iTunes, I recommend using TagCache to index your music http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache 03.56.17 # thanks, i am really liking this rock box thing 03.59.32 # I wonder what I'm doing wrong, but tagcache plain refuses to update properly even if I force it to 03.59.55 # What do you mean by "Update properly"? 04.00.21 # I transfew new music, force tag cache update, reboot, and it doesnt show up 04.00.57 # And if you delete the entire tagcache, and start from scratch does it? 04.00.58 # maybe I should start from empty .rockbox and make fresh zip 04.01.28 # hm I havent tried that,as per removing tc files 04.01.35 # What format is the music in? 04.02.42 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 04.03.52 # vorbis mostly 04.04.13 # some are mp3s without any tags 04.04.36 # Well, the mp3s without tags of course won't show up except in the untagged section. 04.04.47 # I believe there is one. 04.05.08 # After the "Force TagCache Update" does it to "Committing TagCache" on the next boot? 04.06.12 # yeah 04.07.00 # And the files that are missing are definitely tagged with proper vorbis comments? 04.08.53 # yep 04.09.09 # but even if they werent, shouldnt they show in the untagged 04.09.29 # I'll try remove the files and update 04.09.38 # You'd think so. 04.09.44 # How many total songs do you have on your player? 04.09.52 # around 200 04.10.07 # 2G ipod nano 04.10.10 # So it's definitely not the too many issue. 04.10.56 # I've never had any problem with it picking up new files. 04.11.34 # if I save my settings and start fresh, there nothing I'll lose, right? 04.11.44 # I even packaged up my own wps.. 04.12.40 # Yeah 04.14.24 # ok now I have to test it 04.17.00 Part Paul_The_Nerd 04.18.19 Quit cismo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.18.52 Join moda|ASOT [0] (i=modafrom@CPE-138-130-209-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) 04.18.56 # this is so annoying :( 04.23.03 Quit PaulJam (".") 04.23.03 Quit agentorange711 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.24.51 # eehw 04.27.33 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 04.27.45 # :( 04.27.55 # heght 04.29.09 # hrm... maybe i can hack off half an old cf card to get it to fit or something 04.30.15 Quit Aghaster (Remote closed the connection) 04.31.49 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 04.43.12 # mrrfle.. 04.46.31 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 04.53.25 Quit XavierGr ("Watch anime, saiyu sen jiko yo!") 05.03.15 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB6F253.ipt.aol.com) 05.07.16 Quit slarti (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.07.23 Join slarti [0] (i=slarti@gentoo/developer/slarti) 05.09.02 Join moda` [0] (i=modafrom@CPE-138-130-209-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) 05.12.06 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-127.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.17.06 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 05.17.26 # anyone know anyone who has a dead ipod or anything like that? 05.18.27 # I have a dead bottle of pepsi. 05.19.22 # :( not helping 05.20.17 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.20.40 Quit moda|ASOT (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.22.30 # i've a dead battery. 05.29.27 # argh 05.30.12 Nick moda` is now known as moda|ASOT (i=modafrom@CPE-138-130-209-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) 05.30.12 # in what way is your ipod dead? 05.30.24 # sharpe: my irivers hdd is fried 05.30.34 # ah. 05.30.37 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 05.30.55 # and so i need to get another hdd so i can put the firmware on it, flash it and then put all the original stuff back in to send it off to get fixed at the iriver place 05.31.05 # i see... 05.31.09 # why not buy a new hdd? :) 05.31.24 # because im a cheapass and i dont want to spend huge amounts of monies 05.31.37 # i believe that's somewhat impiled.. 05.31.40 # implied. 05.31.46 # heh 05.32.36 # celebrate, for i recieved my working replacement karma today! 05.33.01 # woohoo? 05.33.22 # pre-loaded with about 2000 tracks of mostly worthless junk and many low-quality rips some even with cd-scratch noise! 05.33.40 # but yes, woohoo. 05.33.47 # may i venture even perhaps 05.33.49 # woohoo! 05.33.50 # alright then. woohoo. 05.34.27 # it also means that i've got a little bit of spare parts, maybe 05.34.58 # g0t 1.8inch toshiba drive? *hopes* 05.35.24 # and/or, if circumstances ever make it seem appropriate, the flash rom chip containing the unencrypted firmware that i may be able to remove from the mainboard 05.35.36 # ooh. 05.35.45 # those circumstances being access to some way of reading the contents of said flash rom chip 05.36.22 # lol whats this shit on shitdot about sandisk paying rockbox people to develop stuff 05.36.23 # moda|ASOT: its a hitatchi... the toshiba's are a different shape, aren't they? 05.36.33 # dunno 05.37.07 # afaik hitatchi's are the only '1.8"' that're almost square and fit into the karma 05.37.34 # everything else is longer and skinnier and fits into like whatever ipod takes the 1.8" 05.38.47 # how much would a dead iriver h340 and all the accessories be? 05.38.57 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 05.39.03 # $10? 05.39.08 # rofl 05.39.14 # may depend on whats dead about it 05.39.15 # thats if youre lucky 05.39.35 # how *dead* do you want the iriver to be? :) 05.39.35 # hdd is dead, replace it and it should work.... gah 05.39.48 # well then its not really dead 05.39.52 # it just needs a new hd 05.40.10 # if it takes the non-hitatchi 1.8" drives, those're all over the place for pretty reasonable 05.40.18 # well 05.40.24 # reasonable as far as them little drives go 05.40.37 # which is ridiculous as far as regular storage media goes 05.40.38 # :p 05.40.40 # score! i remembered the cvs update command. 05.41.07 # :| 05.41.43 # so how did you kill it? 05.42.01 # my guess would be, with a knife. 05.42.15 # i'd say it was defenestrated 05.42.18 # or other assorted violent weapon. 05.42.22 # any battery life improvements on ipods? 05.42.25 # no idea... it was working thursday morning, went to use it thursday arvo, and it wouldnt boot into rockbox, and it displayed 0000 songs/folders in iriver firmware 05.42.26 # nope. 05.42.29 # (not that i care anywaY) 05.42.43 # and then i took it apart, reseated it and now rockbox just goes error ata 11 05.42.49 # hmm 05.42.54 # and iriver says check hdd/ connection on boot :| 05.42.56 # moda|ASOT: does the HD make bad noises? 05.43.13 # nope 05.43.15 # maybe you didn't get stuff put together quite as well as they need to be 05.43.19 # it starts up like normal 05.43.28 # ze: nah, its exactly how it was 05.43.40 # doesn't sound like it 05.43.59 # exactly how it was would've been not booting into rockbox and displaying 0000 songs/folders in iriver firmware :p 05.44.21 # yea, i think something may have happened, like the connecter got knocked or something..... 05.44.32 # it wasnt detecting in windows even before i took it out 05.44.36 # get an adapter and hook the drive to your PC and check it out 05.44.42 # and wouldnt format in the iriver firmware with both either 05.44.49 # hrm... gotta source one locally :| 05.44.54 # hmm 05.44.56 # good luck 05.45.02 # heh 05.45.12 # i mean it's totally possible 05.45.16 # depending on where you're at 05.45.26 # australia :p 05.45.34 # well i mean like 05.45.45 # just as far as availability of such things in your local area 05.46.25 # you're pretty likely to be able to fund one in a major city, but some backwoods where the only computer store's run buy a guy who's never heard of linux.... would be another matter :p 05.46.41 # that'd be funny. 05.47.05 # although you can't really discount that lonely little computer store either 05.47.09 # dongs: Seeing as the feature freeze hasn't been lifted, and the iPod isn't a release target, how were you expecting the iPod battery improvements to get into Rockbox? 05.47.32 # Paul_The_Nerd: shrug 05.47.35 # if they don't have one, maybe they could at least order one 05.47.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.47.53 # Paul_The_Nerd: isnt thats what youve been working all last month? 05.47.57 # i figured it would be done by now 05.48.41 # * Paul_The_Nerd points at the channel topic. 05.48.53 # orly? 05.49.23 # There's also the fact that there's no release announcement anywhere, most notably the front page where the 2.5 one still resides 05.49.37 # how is that relevant 05.49.55 # um, if there was a release that's been like >1yr in-the-making, it'd PROBABLY be posted about somewhere.. 05.49.55 Quit kkurbjun ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.50.15 # yes but 'improving ipod battery life' is hardly release-worthy news 05.50.19 # my bad, not even a year.. 05.50.35 # he was talking about the freeze being lifted, meaning 3.0 would have had to have been released. 05.50.42 # meaning there would be an announcement. 05.51.10 # dongs: No iPod-specific work can go into CVS, and so most devs aren't doing any. That's how it's entirely relevant. Until the freeze is lifted, don't expect iPod-only improvements. 05.53.16 # Can you guys help me out with setting up the development environment? 05.53.26 # si senior. 05.53.52 # I'm following the instructions on the site... 05.54.04 # installing cygwin... 05.54.11 # mmhmm. 05.55.06 # when selecting which packages to install, some other ones are automatically selected. Should I leave those or de-select them? 05.55.12 # leave them 05.55.46 # i mean, they're not really pertaining to things used for rockbox, but it's a bitch to remove all of them. :) 05.56.08 # And some of them may turn out to be useful later anyway 05.56.14 # indeed 05.56.39 # OK. Will do. 05.57.24 # gah bah sah ahhhh!?!?!?!??! angry moda 06.00.17 # how is upcoming 3.0 release coming? 06.00.44 # it's looking like windows vista... 06.00.56 # ouch 06.01.22 # At least you didn't say Duke Nukem Forever! 06.01.37 # well I do work at microsoft you know 06.01.46 # not for long, though 06.05.34 # cygwin installer is fucking idiotic 06.05.39 # much like the rest of opensores shitware 06.05.51 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-145-133-19.asm.bellsouth.net) 06.05.53 # i cant belileve someone got paid to write that shit. 06.06.04 # does this belong here? 06.06.20 # duno, just pointing out the obvious 06.06.32 # it doesn't, no.. 06.06.39 # Out of curiosity why are you so rabidly open source, but actually interested in Rockbox? 06.06.46 # anti-open source 06.06.53 # cause, if we want to discuss shit installers, I can have a field day here 06.07.03 # dongs: without F/OSS, most of (if not all) the internet would be gone now 06.07.10 # no, i disagree. 06.07.16 # haha. 06.07.16 # there would be no blogs and other trash. 06.07.21 # that i can live without. 06.07.30 # dongs: there would be no freenode, so why the fuck are you here 06.08.10 # Galois: oh please dont start on how freenode cannot be replaced. 06.08.23 # hint for the mentally impaired (not to name names): freenode 06.08.28 # its the project's choice to host their stuff on freenode. nothign is stopping them from picking one of 12343215325 other irc networks. 06.08.57 Join webguest54 [0] (n=45dda8ec@labb.contactor.se) 06.08.58 # dongs: Again, why the hell are you interested in Rockbox at all if you're so anti open source? 06.09.00 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 06.09.11 # also, all major irc networks use open source irc server software, a fact that you conveniently ignore 06.09.33 # now you're not even making sense. 06.09.37 # i started by commenting that cygwin installer is shit. 06.09.47 # believe me I can talk about installers if you want 06.09.50 # but that was roundly voted down 06.09.57 # Yes, but you frequently make negative comments about open source, and refer to it by derogatory names. 06.10.03 # So clearly you dislike the idea of open source software in generla 06.10.05 # general 06.10.18 # i dislike the idea of poor quality opensource software 06.10.21 # which is 99.999% of it out there. 06.11.08 # So? 06.11.13 # it's so great every once in a while there's a heated discussion. 06.11.23 # Yes, there's a lot of crappy open source software. 06.11.27 # great. 06.11.29 # thats all. 06.11.30 # There's also a lot of crappy retail software 06.11.39 # The difference is, you have to PAY for retail software, just to find out it sucks. 06.11.52 # Meanwhile, you actually insult the idea of open source, rather than individual software 06.11.55 # Why is this douchebag bothering us? 06.11.56 # so you vote for its crappiness by not buying it. 06.12.05 # above all, dongs, i'm wondering why you still come here. honestly. you always moan and bitch about stuff that doesn't need it and/or is completely your *opinion*, then get disagreed with by everyone, and start an argument as if *your* opinion is the right one... why? 06.12.06 # So don't go with this whole "I just dislike poor quality open source software" 06.12.10 # and ditto with the crappy OS software 06.12.15 # but with opensource, you're FORCED sometimes to use SHIT because there's no other alternative. 06.12.25 # Because if it were just the software, you wouldn't be sitting around intentionally using terms like "open sores" and so on. 06.12.41 # dongs: If there's no alternative, then technically it's the best program in its class 06.12.52 # the idea that closed source is never forced upon a person is laughable 06.12.55 # It's not open source's fault that no retail equivalent is a better. 06.13.03 # choice 06.13.55 # * woodensoul wonders why dongs doesn't go suck a dong and leave us alone. 06.14.00 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=8a434b4e@labb.contactor.se) 06.14.03 # haha. 06.14.22 # at least he's quieted down, that's a start. 06.14.23 # ^ typical mature opensource reply 06.14.32 # opensource reply. haha. 06.14.40 # that doesn't even make any sense... 06.14.45 # it does 06.14.52 # sharpe, isn't it clear? my reply was open-source.. 06.14.56 # in your twisted sense of reality, sure. 06.15.05 # midkay, does that mean i can get the source?! :) 06.15.06 # pick a random opensource project. find some problem with it(that part isnt hard). join their irc channel. complain about the said problem. gather typical opensource replies. 06.15.20 # sharpe, yes! haha.c. google. 06.15.31 # haha. 06.15.34 # 119000 results! 06.15.35 # they would be : "its free, shut hte fuck up", "cvs.loserproject.org, feel free to fix it", etc. 06.15.40 # dongs: You've still not answered most questions I've asked you 06.15.47 # haha. 06.16.06 # dongs, if nothing else, i should thank you for a couple chuckles.. but it's getting a bit old now. 06.16.06 # Paul_The_Nerd: like what 06.16.22 # dongs: "but with opensource, you're FORCED sometimes to use SHIT because there's no other alternative." 06.16.25 # dongs: You said it, not I. 06.16.27 # yes. 06.16.38 # like say 06.16.46 # I asked that if Open Source is the only way to solve a problem, how does that make it _worse_ than proprietary? 06.16.48 # graphics subsystem on linux. 06.16.49 # At least a solution exists. 06.16.52 # X11 or whatever the fuck. 06.16.52 # Stop 06.16.56 # Linux is open source 06.17.00 # You don't HAVE to use linux. 06.17.05 # Go use windows 06.17.08 #