--- Log for 09.06.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 months and 15 days ago 00.00.40 Quit Poka64 ("XChat 2.6.1 - www.xchat.org") 00.00.47 # petur: The call causing the panic with the irq disabled check is lcd_init() from main.c 00.01.01 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 00.01.19 # * amiconn wonders how lcd_init() can proceed when interrupts are disabled and it's using sleep() ... 00.02.00 # amiconn: my panicf() gives me a white display - on key is processed ok (reboots) 00.02.52 # I'm testing on h140 - my h340 is still open for more temperature checks 00.03.11 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 00.03.25 # probably the display stuff isn't init enough to display the text. 00.03.42 # I guess the reason for the panic is the same on h300, but the init doesn't run far enough to leave you with an usable display 00.03.49 # hehe 00.03.54 # will find a way to enable the irq check later 00.04.12 # Just enable interrupts earlier - but still, this is a bug... 00.04.35 # I'll commit the panicf fix, gives me the feeling to have done something tonight :/ 00.05.02 # There is a set_irq_level(0) in main.c a few lines down from the lcd_init() call 00.05.32 # * amiconn still wonders how this can work 00.05.44 # Hmm, no panic now 00.07.39 Quit midkay_ ("Leaving") 00.08.07 Quit matsl ("cu") 00.08.30 Quit jd_ (Connection timed out) 00.09.18 # indeed, no panic now :) 00.09.35 # kaboom 00.10.00 # the moment I enter recording screen it panics 00.10.14 # with text this time :) 00.10.17 # Hmm, not here 00.10.31 # I guess you have your interrupt-disabled i2c in place? 00.10.57 # yeps, and gain is set when entering recording 00.10.59 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.11.52 # Gah 00.12.03 # * amiconn got rockbox to freeze in the fm screen :( 00.13.18 # * petur was lazy and didn't add the extensive panic info of amiconn.... 00.13.41 # Hehe, I have even more info available now 00.14.04 # any reason irq is enabled so late in main.c? 00.14.08 # (a mini stackdump, since putting __builtin_return_address() into sleep() didn't work correctly for some reason) 00.14.20 # give :) 00.16.42 # damn, now my on-to-reboot-in-panic-screen doesn't work anymore :( 00.17.42 # !! wiki spam alert, "HerohitoNakomode" 00.18.01 # * petur wonders how he caused the yellow build 00.18.05 Join |reezeh| [0] (n=reezeh@reezeh.gotadsl.co.uk) 00.18.30 # what the heck is synth.c anyway? 00.18.51 # obo's server has gone gcc 4.1 00.18.56 # some buildserver running a different compiler version? 00.19.01 # heh 00.19.06 # debian unstable 00.19.29 # * amiconn is also running debian unstable 00.19.35 # No gcc 4.1 yet though 00.19.43 # you'll get it when you update ;-) 00.19.47 # kindly give my earned build points to odo please ;) 00.20.07 # I expect our servers to take that leap soonish too 00.20.51 # * amiconn won't update too soon 00.21.05 # Every time I update, something is bound to go wrong 00.22.14 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-82.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.22.29 # duh... the thread_switch with disabled irq I detected was in i2c because *I* disabled irq's... /me stupid! 00.23.26 # yes of course 00.23.35 # I'm such an idiot 00.24.03 Quit ender` (" Some people have one of those days. I've had one of those lives.") 00.24.12 # BuHmm. What puzzles me is that seems to be the only thread switch with disabled interrupts, yet it freezes rockbox 00.24.20 # -Bu 00.24.45 # Did you test with the remote plugged in? 00.24.55 # yes 00.25.07 Join Higgy____ [0] (n=not_eric@client-82-18-255-107.brhm.adsl.ntlworld.com) 00.25.14 # I didn't 00.25.20 # * amiconn silly as well 00.25.23 # awwww, only 4? 00.25.47 # btw, the remote is a kind donation of whatboutbob 00.26.01 # ...but I don't get panics with the remote plugged either 00.26.56 # same here :( 00.26.56 Join ydnar [0] (n=ydnar@cpe-67-10-187-94.houston.res.rr.com) 00.27.14 # so were sure now that isn't the cause 00.27.23 # s/were/we're 00.27.39 # ...so while calling yield() with disabled interrupts seems to cause the freeze, your i2c thing is the only place that does this call, and my first theory *how* it happens doesn't hold 00.27.40 # hmm... 00.27.54 # how could i tell which firmware belongs to which device...? 00.29.06 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 00.29.25 # amiconn: do we (you or me) commit the modified main.c (enable irq before lcd_init()) ? 00.30.16 Quit lodesi_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.30.19 Join lodesi_ [0] (n=moi@d02v-62-34-191-148.d4.club-internet.fr) 00.30.24 # I'm not sure why interrupts are enabled that late... 00.31.34 # * amiconn summons LinusN 00.31.47 # bad luck 00.31.51 # haha 00.31.54 # not bloody likely 00.32.06 # * amiconn checks viewcvs 00.33.54 # * amiconn curses viewcvs 00.34.27 # mmm... 00.35.33 # bedtime 00.36.18 # * petur wonders if a recursive i2c_write could cause a lockup 00.36.34 # It surely will 00.36.35 Join jd_ [0] (n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos) 00.36.46 # i2c is mutex protected 00.37.08 # it is? 00.37.25 Quit darkless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.37.30 # where? 00.38.16 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-57-221.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.38.51 # kaboom 00.38.55 # again... 00.39.04 # Blah. It _should_ be, but it seems i2c_begin() and i2c_end(9 are never called 00.39.23 # ...enither from within i2c.c, nor from uda1380.c 00.39.26 # I added a recursive call check and got hit right away 00.39.32 # s/enither/neither/ 00.40.21 # Blah, ignore that 00.40.29 # i2c.c isn't for coldfire 00.40.45 # i2c_coldfire.c 00.40.59 # yes 00.41.08 # Knew that earlier tonight :/ 00.41.24 # and i2c_write is called during its sleep() 00.41.34 Part Paul_The_Nerd 00.41.45 # causing it to lock waiting for the bus to be free probably 00.42.20 # nah, that one yields too 00.42.21 # i2c-coldfire.c doesn't seem to have any protection against being called from 2 threads - and it yields..... 00.42.33 # not good 00.42.40 # Definitely 00.42.44 # hrmph 00.43.52 # add the same mutex as i2c.c ? it yields if the mutex is locked I hope? 00.45.37 # mutex_lock() sleeps the caller until the mutex is unlocked by the previous lock holder 00.46.01 # ..but we need 2 mutexes in i2c-coldfire.c 00.46.14 # ..for each of the 2 controllers 00.46.28 # oh right 00.46.37 # forgotten all about that 00.48.02 # The placement of set_irq_level(0) in main.c doesn't seem to have any special reason 00.48.29 # When it was introduced, there were only 2 calls before it, and later it was moved in front of one of them 00.48.48 # (but a bunch of others was introduced before & after this move) 00.48.56 # so no platform tests needed? 00.48.58 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 00.49.37 Quit Kohlriba (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.49.41 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-134-134.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.50.00 # I'll do quick tests on archos and mini g2 00.50.32 # I don't expect to find problems though 00.51.43 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.52.16 # * petur compiles a mutex-protected i2c-coldfire.c 00.54.12 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.17 # aaaaaaaaaaaargh 00.54.27 # argh? 00.54.45 # I hate this bug 00.55.05 # no more recursive panic but another freeze :( 00.55.20 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.56.07 # * petur bangs head on desk 00.56.57 # Don't sleep with interrupts disabled... 00.57.01 Quit gromit` ("Coyote finally caught me") 00.57.47 # especially if you don't trust the person in the next room ;p 00.59.56 # ..or if you have to get up early? ;) 01.00.51 # well, i've a generic tool that supposedly works for windows, linux, and osx, however; i do not know how i should label the firmwares... 01.01.02 # amiconn: what if I'd add an argument to the i2c_write call whether it can sleep or not? 01.01.18 Quit EbErT () 01.03.56 # Sounds ugly... 01.04.09 # The mutex protection will still sleep 01.04.37 # ...and it has to sleep (or yield), since otherwise a deadlock would be guaranteed 01.04.48 # so, keep the mutex but don't disable irq or remove the sleep altogether 01.05.52 # Hmm..... 01.06.29 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-169-207-90.worldnet.co.nz) 01.07.18 # Afaiu the mutex is necessary unless we can *guarantee* that that each of the i2c controller is always exclusively used by a single thread 01.07.23 Quit obo ("bye") 01.08.03 # yes 01.08.17 # ...but if we use the mutex, we must not disable interrupts, because the mutex sleeps() while busy 01.08.45 # see my last remark: keep the mutex but don't disable irq or remove the sleep altogether 01.08.47 # ..but that's exactly what we want to achieve - disable interrupts in order to avoid glitches 01.08.54 # Which sleep? 01.09.05 # in i2c_write 01.09.26 # sorry, yield 01.09.37 # Yeah, then we wouldn't need the mutex as well, but we waste cpu cycles 01.09.52 # so do the bitbanged ones 01.10.05 # and afaik, they're used more 01.10.07 # Yes, but they can't do better 01.10.55 # who's using the i2c_write anyway? the uda and ... ? 01.11.23 # Well, in the iriver, one channel is exclusively hooked to the uda 01.11.43 # ..and the other is exclusively hooked to the fm chip 01.12.05 # so not critical at all 01.12.06 # ..but for the latter, we can't even use the i2c controller, but have to bitbang (!!) 01.12.18 # Iriver forgot a simple pullup... 01.12.54 # Still, even the uda could be accessed by more than 1 thread 01.13.14 # is this the same for h1x0 and h3x0? 01.13.37 # the uda isn't accessed a lot, is it? 01.14.27 # Not atm - that's probably why no one noticed a problem with the missing mutex 01.14.35 # * petur want's to get rid of the yields() in i2c_write 01.15.02 # Btw, I found no problem with the moved up set_irq_level(0); in main.c 01.15.36 # you commit or me? 01.16.39 # hmmm... I need some sleep() myself 01.16.40 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.16.59 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.17.02 Join Falco98 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-024-088-106-250.sc.res.rr.com) 01.17.13 # hey all 01.17.49 # hi 01.18.01 # welcome to #rockbox 01.18.08 # can i get you a bottled water 01.18.20 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.20 # petur: done 01.18.34 # ok 01.19.01 # I'm off... I hope to have time again saturday :/ 01.19.19 # heh 01.19.34 # anyone in here have any experience with WASTE networks? 01.19.43 # i wanna try to get one o' thems going 01.20.28 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 01.20.39 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.20.45 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 01.21.35 Quit petur ("petur::sleep()") 01.24.44 Quit lee-qid__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 01.26.48 # Falco98: I've played around with WASTE a bit before 01.26.53 # it's kinda fun ;) 01.32.00 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.36.00 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 01.43.09 Part pixelma 01.44.05 Quit Falco98 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.46.29 Join Cisalus [0] (i=Cisalus@cpe-74-67-194-156.twcny.res.rr.com) 01.46.47 # Has anyone here successfully gotten Rockbox to work on an iAudio X5? 01.47.01 # um, everybody who has an x5? :) 01.47.17 # what's the problem? 01.47.23 # :( I'm a noob at the whole. Bootloading game? 01.47.41 # And I put the binary in the FIRMWARE folder, and extracted the other stuff to the directory.. 01.47.52 # lewler. 01.47.55 # But it won't start up with Rockbox, just starts up normal when I turn it on 01.47.58 # lollerskates 01.48.26 # Don't laugh too hard-- I seriously don't know what I'm doing at all. The X5 just definitely has the crappiest UI in the world. 01.49.44 # yay, my first semi-mean post on the forums. 01.49.55 # congrats 01.51.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.51.08 # hmm. 01.51.21 # i wonder, if i should even attempt the custom builds... 01.51.32 # we'll make paul_the_nerd out of you yet 01.52.10 # er, the webapp, or the standalone builds to do so. 01.52.34 # Cisalus: are you folllowing the X5 installation wiki page? 01.53.15 # didn't know there was one. 01.53.44 # i've been on 01.53.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot 01.54.04 # multicrappola 01.54.09 # * amiconn goes to bed 01.54.47 # nite 01.55.24 # ahah, and it was a mean post in disguise. 01.55.51 # Cisalus: I think that's it, heh - sorry, I have a Nano :] 01.56.22 # haha it's fine, thanks anyway. maybe someone else will know. 01.56.32 # well, i've an ipod video. 01.56.54 # nano is so much better than video imho 01.57.02 # :) 01.57.09 # although, I'd rather a creative vison:m than either 01.57.14 # it plays divx/xvid ootb 01.57.35 # someone just released a really nice WPS for Nano, it's like the winner 01.57.56 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#Neeon_Nano_Black 02.06.04 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.07.00 Quit pauljam ("Ex-Chat") 02.11.50 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.14.48 Quit lodesi_ ("Leaving") 02.20.31 Quit Kohlrabi ("Hello my name is CoolClonk .") 02.21.04 Quit Cisalus () 02.27.02 # wow. my cygwin takes up 841mb. 02.28.33 Quit jd_ () 02.29.09 # only? mine was taking up much more than that.. 02.29.35 # ;) 02.33.26 # omg hi guys 02.37.54 # does any1 know how to rip a cd to a single ogg with a .cue file?? 02.38.48 # sharpe: mine take s*GB, so there 02.38.56 # 8GB 02.40.05 # i feel special. 02.40.23 # sharpe: you look special too ;) 02.43.51 # ... 02.45.33 # do we have a list of errors that may be reported by the bootloader? 02.46.16 # JdGordon: I think there's an app that does it, I forget. 02.46.34 # JdGordon: maybe convert .bin/.cue to iso with bin2iso and then mount it loopback and use a ripper tool 02.46.37 # i know how you *could* do it, but it wouldn't play. 02.46.44 # :) 02.47.27 Quit Poka64 ("time for sleep, time for vengance") 02.56.35 # i know what i'll work on. 03.00.48 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.06.38 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84.217.3.188) 03.17.05 # i'm going to work on the standalone tagcache builder, that no one who says they're going to make, seems to get around to it. 03.18.24 # everyone seems to myseriously disappear... 03.24.59 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.34.15 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.44.13 # i'll save that for a rainy day! 03.44.35 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 03.46.44 Quit Daishi (Remote closed the connection) 03.51.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.56.12 Quit earHertz 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they know, someone actually ships a cookie in a hermetically sealed container. 06.26.13 # haha. 06.26.57 # however it never reaches it's destination, as the sender never put the to address, as they never got one, and didn't put a return address. 06.27.07 # so it ends up at the bottom of a very large pile 06.27.13 # and then nuclear winter sets in 06.27.21 # alright, too far. 06.27.24 # sharpe: I'd give you hot sex, if you did that. 06.27.27 # the second core, thing 06.27.32 # lol 06.27.48 # Please do :) 06.28.03 # and battery optimisation, while you're at it 06.28.03 # like i know anything about it, but hell, i'll try! 06.28.20 # let me just get out the magic dust... 06.28.21 # .. because sharpe wants hot sex.. from what i'd expect is a man... :E 06.28.37 # er, "cool, thanks!" would be acceptable really. 06.28.39 # you're awful eager to try for hot man sex. 06.28.40 # :p 06.28.52 # Righto. I can settle for cool thanks 06.29.08 # nah, can't you tell, he WANTS the sex. 06.29.14 # he's just playing 'pretend'. 06.29.46 # that's... not... nice... 06.29.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.30.06 # i'm trying to get you what you want, sharpe. 06.30.06 # :( 06.30.33 # i hate you midkay. 06.30.44 # :DDDD 06.31.15 # why does this not make any sense: "Intel first to ship dual core" 06.31.16 # well. 06.31.17 # never mind. 06.31.28 # i thought it said core duo. 06.31.41 # making me think, "well, they do manufacture the chip..." 06.32.32 # haha. 06.33.46 # sharpe: who on earth said that? 06.34.03 # i was just reading the wikpedia article on multi-core. 06.34.15 # and it had a link to an article with that title 06.42.18 # so. yep. 06.45.19 # i suppose they could have been thinking about hyperthreading, which isn't dual-core, but morons sometimes think it is 06.45.59 # because of things like... qvc... and hsn.... 06.46.22 # they say "it's just like having two processors!" 06.50.41 # i... get bored at times... 06.57.42 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 06.58.24 # qvc? hsn? 06.58.53 # (both are shopping channels) 06.59.03 # home shopping network and something else 07.00.37 # qvc stands for, "Quality, Value, Convenience." 07.04.34 # what's that got to do with multiprocessors? 07.05.22 # they generally sell computers advertised as having hyperthreading 07.06.22 # okay then 07.07.13 # yep. 07.10.01 # k 07.11.23 # alright. 07.18.17 Join noleti [0] (n=not@c184137.adsl.hansenet.de) 07.18.57 # well, i'm going, night everyone. 07.19.31 # Link to the USB-To-Go chip datasheet in The H300: http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/datasheet/ISP1362-04.pdf 07.19.56 # I saw a thread at misticriver looking for that pdf 07.20.19 # there are detailed instructions on suspending the chip to save power 07.25.58 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 07.29.18 Quit noleti (""we have Audioscrobbler support!"") 07.36.43 Join muesli|delhi [0] (n=muesli_t@125.23.48.62) 08.01.56 Quit EbErT () 08.05.55 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.06.46 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-151-129.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 08.15.18 Join tge101 [0] (i=tge101@cpe-71-72-45-181.neo.res.rr.com) 08.15.33 # how do you add mp3s with rockbox? 08.15.56 # (on an ipod video) 08.16.24 # add mp3s to the device? just copy them onto it 08.16.35 # standard filesystem drag and drop 08.17.02 # which folder? 08.17.10 # any folder. 08.17.18 Quit NicP ("Leaving") 08.17.43 # in the \.rockbox? or do i make a music folder? 08.17.58 Part JdGordon 08.17.59 # any folder off the root. i wouldn't put them in .rockbox 08.18.08 # rockbox can find music pretty much anywhere on the device 08.18.27 # no shit? 08.18.33 # although you may need to trigger a tagcache update if that's what you're using. otherwise they'll just appear in the directory view 08.18.40 # it has no requirements for an itunes-like db 08.18.46 # that's half the point of using it 08.18.53 # not needing a shitty app to put music on the device 08.19.04 # whats the tagcahe thing all about? 08.19.15 # tagcache reads ID3 tags and adds em to a database 08.19.24 # tge101: tagcache is basically rockbox's own ID3 tag database 08.19.25 # allowing you to sort your music by artist, track, whatnot. 08.19.44 # handy for ipod users who've used itunes in the past, since that munges the filenames 08.20.09 # aye. it does. I raged so hard when it ruined my well organised and named collection 08.20.10 # should it already be on there if i just got the new build the other day or do i have to do something separate for that? 08.20.11 # but rockbox doesn't require it to function, it can just use the directory tree directly, 08.21.02 # you need to force the construction of it, i think it's under general->playback or something. takes a while, since it's being created on the device itself. 08.22.21 # sorry if i soudn like a dumbass, im real new to it 08.22.43 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 08.22.49 # that's cool. 08.23.09 # we're usually happy to evangelise :) 08.24.23 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 08.24.54 # so, if i just make a new folder "Mp3s" in the root, i'm all set? 08.25.36 # sure 08.26.08 # nice, thanks guys 08.27.13 Quit muesli|delhi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.27.13 Quit tge101 () 08.28.17 Quit `3nergy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.29.22 Join muesli|delhi [0] (n=muesli_t@125.23.54.109) 08.29.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.30.01 Join `3nergy [0] (n=3nergy@techgaming.net) 08.33.33 Join MAASxRICK [0] (i=Rick@toronto-HSE-ppp4056720.sympatico.ca) 08.33.44 # OK WTF 08.38.35 Quit Ribs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.40.03 # ? 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09.56.44 # a secret package from Sunnyvale California 09.56.57 # shhhht! 09.57.00 # oooh, sikrit! 09.57.05 # wow... secret? :P 09.57.19 # heh 09.57.40 # hah 09.57.48 # never dealt with ups 09.58.11 # Bagder: Does it has to do with rockbox 09.58.18 # oh yes 09.58.18 # ? 09.58.18 # * XavierGr drools 09.58.32 # nice! 09.58.34 # at least I think so 09.58.37 # haha 09.58.37 # ;-) 09.58.49 # it doesn't say what it is or from who it comes 09.58.59 # so they don't call you and ask around when they should come before planning their delivery routes? 09.59.03 # no 09.59.06 # hah 09.59.07 # excellent 09.59.19 # they just dropped a note "we were here at 10:15 - call us" 09.59.54 # yes, people usually are home at 10:15 09.59.59 # yeah 10.00.00 # i bet they drive around with full cars a lot 10.00.20 # i love electricians and that kind of people, "try to be home between 7am and 5pm" 10.00.23 # yeah.. right 10.02.48 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 10.04.03 Quit `3nergy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.05.05 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 10.07.50 # is it normal that dircache claims to have indexed 3 times as many files as I have? 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10.54.14 # yea 10.55.29 # i proposed something pretty much exactly like that a while ago 10.55.31 # i managed to get ups to deliver to my work address 10.55.56 # but the change of address had to be confirmed by the sender too 10.56.05 # haha 10.56.13 # allows good use of wheel acceleeration with no button flag messing 10.56.52 # i think the absolute value should also be provided somehow 10.56.58 # i tried to use rockbox on my ipod, and it feels a little sensitive on the controls 10.57.08 # Mikachu: indeed 10.57.13 # LinusN: it is a wee bit 10.57.16 # LinusN: i changed the delta value from 4 to 10 in my build 10.57.27 # 10 is far too much, imho 10.57.34 # but it should be adjustable anyway 10.57.35 # the lcd on the 5g is awesome 10.57.40 # it is... 10.57.43 # odd, I use a delta od 2, and find it better 10.57.50 # the nano's wheel is smaller, maybe you need slightly different values 10.58.08 # point being we need it configurable anyway 10.58.11 # i tend to not use the outer edge of the wheel either 10.58.19 # Mikachu: i think absilurte and absolte delat shoukd vbe provided as well, but I expect that few clients will use them 10.58.19 # we should add a separate clickwheel entry 10.58.24 # where you can adjust delta, and some day, beeping 10.58.56 # what were you doing at the start of that sentence? :P 10.59.15 # preglow: agreeing with Mikachu 11.00.13 # as suspected, marsdaddy has been away for a month, and nobody has the code 11.00.33 # (wma) 11.00.51 # we've got an early version of it 11.01.29 # as suspected indeed 11.01.44 # he'll come around 11.10.26 # it's fun too watch how slashdot discussions about rockbox always turn into debates about why apple dominates the market 11.10.30 # to 11.11.01 # yeah 11.11.10 # and very seldomly about anything Rockbox is 11.13.27 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.15.32 # that's how slashdot is 11.16.07 # reading the comments in that place mostly makes me want to scream with rage 11.16.38 # especially when the regurgitation of the good old slashdot jokes start 11.16.53 # * amiconn thinks the lcd on the 5g is too big 11.16.58 # I never manage to resist the temptation of reading the comments, and I go mad every time 11.16.59 # nonsense 11.17.32 # one can only wonder what the unfiltered slashdot comments look like. 11.17.44 Nick nudelyn2 is now known as nudel (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-109-71.dslaccess.co.uk) 11.19.21 # I'm glad boingboing doesn't have comments 11.21.24 # we should add a "rockbox in the news" section to the web site 11.21.44 # Goddmorning all! 11.22.01 # kerb: I know what you mean, but now I put the threshold on 3 and mod down the 'funny' comments. it's a bit better to read. 11.22.02 # Zagor: there is already 11.22.02 # I've thought about replacing some of the images in the Rockbox wikipedia article, not the prettiest of themes :P 11.22.38 # petur: where? i meant on the front page 11.22.48 # ah, ArticlesAboutRockbox 11.22.49 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox 11.22.59 # So is this package that Bagder is waiting for, relates to SanDisk??? 11.23.07 # related 11.23.15 # shhht 11.23.21 # Genre9mp3: it's very siikriit! :-) 11.23.36 # oh...sorry 11.23.53 # I won't tell anyone... 11.34.30 # * petur wants his BOFH article 11.36.52 Quit darkless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.40.51 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 11.47.36 Quit Rob2222_ () 11.51.23 Join `3nergy [0] (n=3nergy@techgaming.net) 12.03.09 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@72-255-10-201.client.stsn.net) 12.03.32 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.10.30 Quit `3nergy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.15.10 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-150-155.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.15.19 Nick ^BeN^ is now known as Paprica (i=Paprica@85-250-150-155.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.17.09 # mmm 12.17.41 # the file browser or the wps use the plugin buffer? 12.19.13 # ? 12.19.14 # no, but the playlist viewer does 12.19.19 # i think 12.21.14 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.21.15 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.21.43 # ok thanks 12.25.25 # yeah 12.25.31 # that's why tsr plugins can't use extra plugin buffer space 12.26.11 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.26.49 Quit ender` (" )(") 12.27.11 Join ender` [0] (i=useless@84.52.165.220) 12.30.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.37.03 # petur: I know it's to early to ask such a question but I was wondering...is the ISP1362 chip capable of streaming data directly from a device than just transfer it (copy-paste) as the original FW only does? 12.37.37 # I mean...is there a hardware limitation on this? 12.45.53 Quit theli_ua (Remote closed the connection) 12.46.53 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@pension-icom.intercom.net.ua) 12.47.29 Quit theli_ua (Client Quit) 12.49.35 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.50.19 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.50.49 # Genre9mp3: the usb driver from Philips I found supported even usb speakers :) 12.51.31 # so yes, we can do all types of usb transfers 12.52.10 # sweet 12.52.28 Join webguest84 [0] (n=c3063b0e@labb.contactor.se) 12.52.32 # wow! cool...I now wish the dock that comes with the player had a USBOTG port and not just the USB 12.52.44 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@pension-icom.intercom.net.ua) 12.52.50 Join webguest36 [0] (n=c3063b0e@labb.contactor.se) 12.52.51 Quit webguest36 (Client Quit) 12.52.51 Quit webguest84 (Client Quit) 12.52.55 Quit theli_ua (Remote closed the connection) 12.53.53 Join webguest19 [0] (n=c3063b0e@labb.contactor.se) 12.53.53 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@pension-icom.intercom.net.ua) 13.02.15 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@85-210-2-224.dsl.pipex.com) 13.06.05 Join webguest04 [0] (n=864c0346@labb.contactor.se) 13.08.26 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.21.31 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 13.30.37 Join webguest33 [0] (n=549959f1@labb.contactor.se) 13.31.31 # are there any users here that live in or around Munich ? 13.33.18 Part webguest33 13.33.57 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@ppp117-63.lns1.bne3.internode.on.net) 13.36.09 Join `3nergy [0] (n=3nergy@techgaming.net) 13.41.35 Quit `3nergy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.44.57 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 13.45.27 # webguest33: vienna .. that's not exactly munich though ;) but I can almost reach out and touch it when I go to zurich (which I do fairly regularly) 13.51.33 Part webguest04 13.54.20 Quit wehn () 14.01.43 # dpro: [13:33] *** webguest33 left #rockbox [] 14.05.47 # petur: hmmmm 14.05.51 # * dpro needs coffee 14.06.44 Join Flutterby [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 14.15.34 Join Flutterb2 [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 14.16.33 # petur: I'm reading in te wiki about the USBOTG...What does this mean: " To be able to "mount" the USB device in the way MMC is mounted in Archos Ondio" ? 14.17.56 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-92-5.tn.glocalnet.net) 14.18.27 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd27b.f.strato-dslnet.de) 14.18.51 Quit Flutterb1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.22.14 # Genre9mp3: I think the removable storage comes available as a virtual directory in the root, but I'm not sure 14.23.05 # Yes - "mount" is a Unix term which means exactly that. 14.23.11 # just asking quickly, is it possible to start ipodlinux without repartitioning etc? 14.23.20 # (but the virtual directory could be anywhere - not just the root) 14.23.28 # Oh, that is actually what I had in mind when saying "streaming data directly" 14.24.12 # This has to do with isochronus USB transfer mode, right? 14.24.13 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.24.21 # kerb: Quick answer is no. Unless you are installing on an HFS+ formatted ipod. 14.24.36 # linuxstb: alright then 14.24.40 # kerb: But haven't they got a new installer which will do that for you now? 14.25.11 # I dunno, I can set it up just fine, I just didn't feel like copying 40 gigs over usb2 again :P 14.25.59 # Which ipod do you have? 14.26.00 # Genre9mp3: no. UMS is always bulk 14.26.07 # linuxstb: 5g 14.26.34 # Genre9mp3: isochronous is used for audio/video, much like UDP in network 14.26.58 # If you never want to use the Apple firmware again (or use it, but never let it hibernate), you can install Linux in the firmware partition. But it's not the recommended way to install it. 14.27.21 # Nah, I think I'll just reset the whole ipod 14.27.23 Quit Flutterby (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.27.44 # I've been having trouble with osx not wanting to mount it, and the ipod updater in windows not wanting to update, and itunes not finding it in windows etc 14.27.44 # petur: And where we could use isochronus with a H300? 14.27.51 # Genre9mp3, petur: Generally it should be possible to access the data on an USB MSD directly via mounting. 14.28.19 # Genre9mp3: well to attach a webcam or usb speakers 14.28.32 # What's unclear yet is how fast these transfers actually are, and how much cpu power they suck 14.29.01 # petur: Ok...now I understood the difference 14.29.04 # Depending on that, it might be impossible to play music directly from an USB disk 14.29.48 # the Philips demo software for the isp1362 supports playing a wav file to usb speakers, so the chip can handle it... 14.29.54 # Enabling all these possibilities means quite some work apart from the USB stack 14.30.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.30.20 # amiconn:I was able to play directly MP3 from an external HDD using an old IBM laptop that had USB1.1 14.30.21 # yeah, we should get UMS supported first 14.30.39 # The USB stack would need to present UMS devices in a way that resembles the ata.c api 14.31.06 # Genre9mp3: reading the file over USB or streaming the audio? 14.31.25 # ..and the file system driver, while already supporting multivolume, would need to be extended a little further, in that it needs to access two different ata.c-like drivers 14.31.43 Quit darkless (Client Quit) 14.31.54 # petur: Just drag & drop an mp3 file to Winamp 14.32.28 # Genre9mp3: that's not streaming then, just using UMS to read the file 14.32.39 # The latter could be done in defining a "meta ata driver" that looks like a multi-device ata driver for the file system, and accesses the real thing for device == 0, and UMS for device == 1 14.32.40 # ( = bulk transfer) 14.33.09 # hey, I want acces to ALL cards of my multi-card reader 14.33.15 # :) 14.33.29 # Yeah, then devices >= 1 would access UMS 14.33.37 # petur:Well, yes...you just explained the difference... 14.33.49 # ...but the number of volumes has a fixed (compile time limit) 14.33.56 # Note: volumes, not devices 14.34.06 # The chip is incapable of USB2.0 USBOTG, right? 14.34.21 # USBOTG *is* an USB 2.0 addition 14.34.31 # ...but you probably mean high speed mode 14.34.40 # ...which it isn't capable of 14.34.51 # amiconn: Yes I meant high speed 14.34.55 # I love the full/high speed mess 14.35.03 # It's not a mess 14.35.05 # it is 14.35.13 # its incomprehensible 14.35.20 # what the heck is full and what is high 14.35.21 # Genre9mp3: streaming (isochronous) would be your player's codec converting the mp3/whatever to a stream of audiobytes and the connected device just send them through a DAC 14.35.25 # It's only that people don't use the terms in the way they're meant to be used 14.35.29 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.35.32 # To me "high" means less than "full" anyway. 14.35.43 # A high speed chase down the freeway doesn't mean the cars are going at full speed, just quickly. 14.35.53 # hahaha 14.36.05 # yeah, can't exactly go faster than full speed, or you wouldn't have been doing full speed 14.36.17 # Well, USB2.0 can. 14.36.19 # It's special 14.36.23 # Then use the plain numbers 14.36.37 # petur: Are there any USB Speakers in the market? 14.36.40 # 1.5MBit/s, 12MBit/s and 480MBit/s 14.36.49 # (low/full/high) 14.36.52 # I prefer the numbers 14.37.01 # I agree - "full" and "high" are meaningless. Numbers are more useful. 14.37.08 # just that data sheets, software and companies use those odd terms 14.37.36 # * B4gder shakes fist 14.37.42 Quit theli_ua (Remote closed the connection) 14.37.53 # that'll teach them! 14.37.55 # B4gder: Imho it's more confusing that people say "USB2.0" when they actually mean high speed (480Mbps) 14.38.15 # well, I find that less frequent 14.38.17 # USB2.0 is a protocol version, not a transfer speed 14.38.22 # hehe: The bell rings for me I suppose! :) 14.39.20 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@pension-icom.intercom.net.ua) 14.40.04 Quit theli_ua (Remote closed the connection) 14.40.52 # petur: Nevermind I googled for USB Speakers 14.41.39 # don't know if we should support them, there's an audio output, remember? 14.41.52 # unless they have super good DAC's 14.42.09 # So the chip can host at full/12MBit/s, right? 14.42.30 # yes 14.43.02 # but you never fully get that speed (as with networking) 14.43.17 # petur: If it's technically possible, then why not? But it doesn't seem a high priority feature to me. UMS and digital camera protocols seem much more useful. 14.43.42 # Yes...and this "Mount" capability.... 14.44.03 # that's what linuxstb said :p 14.44.11 # The mount capability itself is already there 14.44.32 # The UMS thing? 14.44.34 # * amiconn loves multivolume+hotplug on Ondio :) 14.44.57 # No, but the ability to dynamically mount/unmount additional filesystems 14.45.43 # Also it would be cool if we could stream video via a WebCam, but would be this possible at full speed? 14.45.49 # Are there any issues with the H300 providing power for USB devices? 14.47.12 # well, only european models can do it 14.47.29 # and only 100mA probably 14.47.36 # probably 14.47.42 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@pension-icom.intercom.net.ua) 14.48.03 # Is that enough for external hard drives? 14.48.10 # nope 14.48.37 # maybe very small ones 14.50.40 # I couldn't get my external 250GB HDD to work with the original FW... 14.50.52 # But It was powered via AC 14.51.04 # So is there a GB limitation? 14.52.55 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.53.57 # by the way, is there any place you can still buy Archos Ondio players? 14.54.14 # I would really like to have a player with removable flash memory 14.54.44 # Maybe there is a limitation on the chip on haow much data it can handle or something? 14.54.49 # how 14.56.32 # the chip itself doesn't care - it's very low level.... must be the driver in the iriver fw 14.58.05 # Great, so I can hope that this could work with Rockbox... 14.58.34 # Damn... I wish I was able somehow to help on that.... 15.00.35 # * petur needs more time 15.01.13 # good news is, I'm taking a portable from work home so my wife won't need the pc this weekend :) 15.01.49 # petur: I'll do your eating and sleeping so you don't need to worry about that any more, and you can spend more time on rockbox :D 15.02.11 # LOL 15.02.56 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-076-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.03.22 # other good news is that I'm writing a usb driver for windowsCE (at work), so I'm learning a lot about usb :D 15.04.03 # It's always good to get paid for stuff that you might be able to transfer into rockbox. I assume we'll need a USB Stack if we're going to get USB Host working. 15.08.17 # there's Philips demo sofftware + sources in the wiki that should help us a bit. Seems to be able to do a lot of the lowlevel stuff for us. 15.09.25 # What's the license on its sources though? 15.09.52 # Before Philips comes crashing down on us like AT&T. 15.09.52 # not much... the comment says you can use them in your product 15.11.27 # Genre9mp3: The limitation is most probably in the retail firmware's driver 15.11.59 # The actual usb msd protocol is scsi, running via usb bulk transfer 15.13.28 # I connected my H300 to lostlogic's ipod video at devcon. It worked, but iriver fw took ages to read the directory of the ipod disk... 15.14.47 # what about copying speed? 15.14.58 # I'm going to need usbotg tonight to read files of a memcard, and I'm swearing already that I won't be able to read all cards I need because iriver only reads card1 of the multi-card-reader 15.14.58 # amiconn: lostlogic's iPod is 30GB or 60GB? 15.21.14 # Genre9mp3: I think it's 30GB. 15.24.34 # 30GB 15.25.06 # preglow: I didn't try to actually copy files, just browsed some dirs 15.25.26 Part LinusN 15.26.03 # I already used it for copying data from my digicam, and also from the Ondio 15.26.17 # It takes ages... 15.26.29 Join justinvm [0] (n=chatzill@144.139.101.170) 15.26.34 # what speed are we talking? 15.26.58 # Off-topic question - anyone have recommendations for a laptop with good cooling? My girlfriend's cheap no-name Celeron laptop is almost melting in London's 26 degree summer (and wasn't much better in winter...) 15.27.21 # The iriver fw transfers via a buffer, alternating between read aqnd write 15.27.54 # linuxstb: I think any major brand should be ok 15.28.02 # * amiconn has a sONY 15.28.25 # I have an emachines laptop that's actually cool enough to rest on my lap for many hours without any problem 15.29.11 # I have a similar problem with my Apple iBook, although it's not quite as bad as hers. 15.29.54 # I've never found even a relatively cool laptop 15.30.01 # I really burned myself on a Dell once 15.31.00 # kerb: Mine's been on for 48 hours now, and i can press my cheek against the bottom of it without any unpleasantness. 15.31.25 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 15.31.48 # Paul_The_Nerd: wow 15.32.04 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-134-134.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.32.24 # Unfortunately I'm probably going to have to replace it soon. 15.32.44 # It's been burning out power adapters at a rate of about 1 per 2 months. 15.32.52 # my ibook is actually rather cool now 15.33.01 Join fergie [0] (n=fergie@213.219.166.119) 15.33.05 # I can put my cheek to it, it isn't necessarily comfortable but it doesn't hurt 15.33.18 # and I've been using it at work all day, though no cpu activity worth mentioning 15.33.24 Quit muesli|delhi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.36.08 # amiconn: Which Sony do you have? 15.37.15 # Paul_The_Nerd: Burning out power adapters doesn't seem a good recommendation... I'm not sure if emachines sell laptops in the UK anyway though. 15.38.21 Quit webguest19 ("CGI:IRC") 15.40.51 # Yeah, actually though it's in my estimation a design flaw in the power adapters. The original one it came with died, then the first 5 that were replaced from the retailer (Best Buy) were no-name brands that were exactly identical in manufacturing. I finally demanded another original emachines one from them. This one looks differently manufactured, and doesn't have what I suspect was the cause of the prior failures (a flexible por 15.41.14 # Either way, I don't think my laptop is manufactured anymore, so if I do end up needing a replacement I'm going to have to shop around again. 15.42.14 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.43.52 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@adsl-70-245-230-94.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 15.46.42 Quit Poka64 (Remote closed the connection) 15.47.08 # Is the ipod recharging issue already fixed? 15.47.49 # That it drains faster than it can charge? 15.48.56 # Feature freeze for 3.0, no official iPod-only changes/work should really be going on at all, ideally. 15.49.59 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 15.50.24 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 15.50.34 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 15.53.31 # OK, I will wait then. 15.53.49 # Paul_The_Nerd: iirc, amiconn was looking into it last night. 15.53.57 # This is the make or break issue for many ipod users i think. 15.54.10 # Well, it hasn't been released yet. 15.54.41 # it looks like it's not moving to >100mA on the usb port while charging (at least, that's the issue he was looking at, don't know if there's more 15.55.03 # linuxstb: Sony PCG-Z1RMP (already more than 2 years old now) 15.55.20 # ashridah: I've heard that said a few other times as well over the last month, by other people too I think. 15.55.49 # Still quite good performance 15.55.53 # My iPod Nano actually doesn't lose charge during playback while plugged into my laptop's USB port. 15.56.16 Join spacesyl [0] (n=spacesyl@61-208-140-249.ica.george24.com) 15.56.24 # yeah, but nano's like the one that draws the least current to run, isn't it? :) 15.56.26 # Plop 15.56.35 Nick spacesyl is now known as SpaceSyl (n=spacesyl@61-208-140-249.ica.george24.com) 15.56.39 # I have a 4G Ipod and it cetrainly has that issue. 15.56.59 # ashridah: I would expect so, since there's no disk spinup 15.57.21 # My problem is usually that the disk spins up all the time 15.57.23 # Mini is also okay 15.57.25 # I wanted to switch th rockbox completely but i had to stop using it due to that charging issue 15.57.27 # fergie: apparently charging in disk mode works normally, or something 15.57.31 # Usually thanks to dircache by what I can see 15.57.51 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 15.58.02 # kerb: What are you saying exactly? 15.58.05 # I know because then it doen't play 15.58.28 # fergie: Well, for the moment Rockbox users should be looking at this more as "testing" than "Software ready to be used fulltime." As I said, it's not released yet. 15.58.29 # got to go 15.58.40 # np 16.01.10 # * Paul_The_Nerd loves it when someone hints at a problem, blames it on a specific feature, and disappears when prompted to actually explain what they mean. 16.03.03 Join dpassen2 [0] (n=cf8a4a21@labb.contactor.se) 16.05.57 Quit fergie () 16.08.01 Quit theli_ua ("by all") 16.11.42 Quit Poka64 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.11.52 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 16.13.23 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 16.26.51 # 3000... 16.27.46 # ? 16.27.54 Quit Poka64 ("brb") 16.28.17 # I just posted my 3000th 16.29.10 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 16.30.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.30.21 # congrats ;) 16.31.10 # Heh 16.31.22 # I don't know if that's the proper response, or "You poor, sad little man" 16.31.52 # your support effort is impressive, that's for sure 16.33.29 # Well, no matter how good documentation gets, it can't beat someone saying "Now don't panic, we can fix this" when someone goes wrong. 16.34.01 Join webguest29 [0] (n=53b3b950@labb.contactor.se) 16.40.32 Quit petur ("need a drink") 16.54.32 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-67-188-108-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 16.56.55 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 16.59.38 Quit klrspz () 16.59.43 Join cadu [0] (n=chatzill@K083197.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 17.00.47 # hello guys! in my town i'm not being able to find any good pmp (UMS....ogg...flac) and discovered rockbox, but ....is it worthy to buy an iPod expecting to put rockbox on it and be happy? 17.00.49 Part davix ("Leaving") 17.01.21 Quit Siku () 17.01.44 # rockbox is still very much in development on the ipods, but that said, a lot of stuff still works. 17.01.55 # cadu: Depends on your expectations. For now Rockbox is still in development on iPod, so has some bugs, but and of course, Rockbox doesn't play video, and I noticed you say you're looking for a PMP, and not just an audio player. You *can* use the retail firmware for Video, but that's non-UMS 17.02.06 # oh sorry 17.02.09 # bad term 17.02.12 # pmp (portable music player) 17.02.24 # Usually "PMP" is Portable Media Player, in my experience. :) 17.02.24 # i want mp3 / ogg / flac and UMS, that and i'm happy 17.02.33 # i don't care for video, photos etc :) 17.02.39 # Well, Rockbox on iPod should be plenty suitable for that. 17.02.49 # Though I believe Rockbox on iAudioX5 does that job a little bit better at the moment. 17.02.53 # i live in japan but can you believe i can't find a good "geek oriented" music player here ? T__T 17.03.25 Join ryran [0] (n=ryran@rrcs-70-60-124-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com) 17.03.36 # hola all 17.04.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: any annoying issues? i wanna buy a music player in the next months and the only good choice here is the ipod (the others are usually creative locked players and those chinese no-branded small sticks) :( 17.04.31 # Paul_The_Nerd: then i see something claiming mp3 and ogg and flac on an ipod. dammit i want it :P 17.04.35 # cadu: Well, the primary question is: Do you intend to use an equalizer? 17.04.45 # Paul_The_Nerd: no. don't like it. 17.05.03 # Then a 5G iPod should provide no major problems other than right now the battery life is poor in Rockbox. 17.05.12 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.05.22 # Paul_The_Nerd: still has a lot of room for optimisation :) okayz 17.05.38 # if only i could find a iAudioX5(L) here.... aaaa 17.05.44 Quit justinvm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.06.04 # (I can testify to what Paul says. just bought a 5g and am absolutely loving it.) 17.06.20 # cadu: Yeah. Definitely a lot of room to optimize yet, but other than that the 5G iPod port is overall fairly good. 17.06.52 # nice, any experiences on it ? 17.07.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: like....put on some 256kbit/320kbit mp3 and some Q5+ oggs on it and no big thing playing those? 17.07.23 # Paul_The_Nerd: coz dammit, you got me happy. 17.07.52 # I listen to Q6 oggs on my Nano without problems 17.08.15 # I've also tested the nano with up to... 8 or 9 if I recall 17.08.40 # The 5G has a little more difficulty driving the screen, but I believe 320kbps MP3 and Q6 or 7 Ogg have been reported to work fine on it. 17.09.02 # I don't have a 5G, so I have no firsthand experience outside the Nano, for iPods at least. 17.10.06 Nick SereR0KR is now known as SereC0STARiCA (n=Fletcher@Fd27b.f.strato-dslnet.de) 17.10.24 Quit Kohlrabi ("Hello my name is CoolClonk .") 17.10.25 # all my mp3s are lame -v2 encoded and I've had absolutely no skipping on my 60gig video (unless I'm trying to play games or do some other plugin type thing) 17.10.29 # just, fyi 17.10.35 Quit guruz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.11.51 # ryran: nice, how many hours of playback? +-5 ? 17.12.19 # cadu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime 17.14.09 # at most 10 hours 17.14.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: thanks :) 17.16.17 Quit webguest29 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.17.56 # cadu: sorry was afk. I've only had my 5g two weeks now. have been meaning to do testing, but I haven't yet. =D 17.18.05 # all I can say is that YES the battery is less 17.18.19 # :) 17.18.54 # if i'm really going for an ipod ( no other choice ) i should find spare usb fem cables and some resistors to build myself an AA-battery usb charger :P 17.19.02 # hah 17.21.08 Join webguest85 [0] (n=c9eb2547@labb.contactor.se) 17.21.37 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@dsl-kpogw4-fe52df00-45.dhcp.inet.fi) 17.21.59 Quit Lez (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.23.41 Quit webguest85 (Client Quit) 17.23.44 # thanks for the answers, guys. 17.23.49 Join webguest69 [0] (n=c9eb2547@labb.contactor.se) 17.23.59 # hi 17.24.35 # hey webguest69 17.25.00 Part ashridah ("Leaving") 17.25.00 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h130n8c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 17.25.29 # I've just started coding a few plugins for rockbox... 17.26.06 # but I'm sort of a newbie 17.26.34 # sounds cool 17.26.41 # you looking for help or som'n? 17.26.46 # I wonder if someone could answer a few questions to give me a headstart 17.27.01 # hi ryan 17.27.31 # heh.. wouldn't be me. I'm just a lowly user. :) 17.27.46 Join Lez [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 17.28.01 # do you know anyone who could help me a bit? 17.28.40 # na man. this is the place to be though.. people seem pretty chill here--might take a little while for someone to respond 17.29.58 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.29.59 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 17.30.06 # ohh, ok 17.30.22 Quit hardeep ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 17.30.37 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 17.32.47 Quit SpaceSyl ("Leaving") 17.36.50 # Another thing to do is leave a message in the forums with your question, or post it to the development mailing list. 17.37.44 # As people in here come and go, with one of those you at least have the message/response possibility over a delayed time, so someone can read it when they wake up in the morning, or whatnot. 17.38.43 Quit webguest69 ("CGI:IRC") 17.41.44 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 17.45.31 Quit Lez (Remote closed the connection) 17.47.30 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 17.47.43 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.49.16 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 17.54.56 Quit StrathAFK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.58.00 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc67143207026.direcpc.com) 17.58.29 Join lee-qid__ [0] (n=liqid@p54964F42.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.01.34 Quit ender` (" I will not make alliances with those more powerful than myself. Such a person would only double-cross me in my moment of glo) 18.01.46 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.02.16 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 18.02.26 Nick Acksaw is now known as ACK54W (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 18.03.48 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD01EE3.ipt.aol.com) 18.04.44 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 18.07.36 # does anyone know how the latest cvs changes are put on the site? I can't seem to be able to figure the cvs log command out.. 18.07.54 # What do you mean? 18.08.05 # like, you can see all the last changes that were made 18.08.17 # I'm trying to get a list of what was changed between yesterday and now on this other cvs 18.08.21 # but I have *no* idea how 18.08.49 # Wouldn't that be something to search for either a man page about, or the CVS site? 18.13.15 Quit ydnar (Success) 18.13.27 # did 18.13.32 # even asked in their channel 18.13.36 # can't find it 18.15.21 Quit Genre9mp3 () 18.15.29 # HCl: http://ximbiot.com/cvs/wiki/index.php?title=CVS--Concurrent_Versions_System_v1.12.12.1:_History_browsing 18.16.16 Join `3nergy [0] (n=3nergy@techgaming.net) 18.16.45 Quit cadu ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 18.17.55 Part ACK54W 18.22.36 Join redondos [0] (n=redondos@190.48.27.53) 18.23.02 # Hello. I just installed rockbox to an iPod nano. Is it possible to boot the apple firmware or are they mutually exclusive? 18.23.18 # Because the manual says that id I want to boot the original firmware I should remove the rockbox.ipod directory. 18.23.25 # Paul_The_Nerd: doesn't work.. 18.23.30 # Why can't I just choose which one to boot? 18.26.51 # redondos: you can. you have to hold down the menu button when booting to boot into the original firmware 18.27.06 # HCl: The link doesn't work, or the instructions do not? From what I understand that's the official CVS wiki manual. 18.27.29 # instructions 18.27.46 # ryran: Great, thank you. 18.27.56 # HCl: Well, that's what they say to do. I'd suggest just doing some further google research then. 18.28.01 # it spits out some weird list which in no way resembles any kind of last cvs commits done 18.28.07 # yea, that's why I asked here 18.28.10 # I'm desperate :/ 18.28.18 # redondos: keep in mind though that you really need to hold it down like.. *from the beginning* or it won't do it 18.28.51 # redondos: then, to get back into rockbox, just to a reset by holding down menu + select for 5 seconds 18.28.52 # HCl: You tried cvs log, as well as cvs history? 18.28.57 # yup 18.29.00 # cvs log sort of works 18.29.00 # but 18.29.05 # I can't set a date before 18.29.10 # and it simply spits out all commits ever made 18.29.12 # hci: there's a script that pieces the log together, possibly from several cvs commands. 18.29.12 Join Dgently [0] (n=c0553201@labb.contactor.se) 18.29.30 # got a link? 18.29.40 # HCl: http://ximbiot.com/cvs/wiki/index.php?title=CVS--Concurrent_Versions_System_v1.12.12.1:_Guide_to_CVS_commands#SEC159 18.29.51 # If you followed the links within the articles, it tells you how to set a range of links for the log command 18.29.56 # dates rather, not links 18.30.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.30.55 # I did 18.30.59 # it didn't appear to do anything 18.31.38 # You did it the same way they show in the examples? 18.31.53 # cvs log -S -d "2005/10/1<2005/10/3" 18.31.53 # let me see 18.31.56 # oh 18.31.57 # no 18.32.00 # * Paul_The_Nerd sighs. 18.32.02 # they said a comma separated list o-o 18.32.08 # in the help 18.32.26 # Semicolon separated list. 18.32.31 # yea, that 18.32.36 # so that's what i did 18.32.56 # hci: see here: http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/recentcvs/ 18.32.57 # I assume you could do "2005/10/1<2005/10/3";"2005/10/5<2005/10/6" 18.33.14 # The ; is a separator of elements in the list, according to the wiki page 18.33.35 # yea, so i thought they wanted the first date and then the second date separated by a ; 18.33.39 # *tries the < thing* 18.34.05 Join raybert [0] (n=ray@209-6-253-218.c3-0.frm-ubr2.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) 18.34.12 Join ydnar [0] (n=ydnar@cpe-67-10-187-94.houston.res.rr.com) 18.34.28 # thanks :) that seems to work 18.35.24 # Anyone with an archos around? 18.36.19 # Scratch that, I just realize it's something I can test in a sim. 18.38.08 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 18.40.27 Join Moos [0] (n=51429e3b@labb.contactor.se) 18.54.50 Quit lee-qid__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 18.55.45 Join lee-qid__ [0] (n=liqid@p54964F42.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.03.26 Quit lee-qid__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 19.05.11 Join lee-qid__ [0] (n=liqid@p54964F42.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.07.13 # Is there anyone here who can give me some quick help with an Archos FMR ata issue? 19.07.37 # I tried searching the wiki, and didn't come up with anything. 19.13.08 Join dunno [0] (n=54996052@labb.contactor.se) 19.13.42 # Paul_the_ 19.13.56 # Paul_The_what? 19.14.02 # I hate it when it does that 19.14.18 # Paul_the_pet_pelican? 19.14.30 # I wanted to say, thank you paul_the nerd for helping me out 19.16.17 # what does Brandon mean in the comments in this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2890 19.18.04 # The settings are saved as a binary lump, I guess he just didn't make a change that would tell it that lump is larger now? I really don't know for sure, just hazarding a guess. 19.18.54 # do I have to do anything specific to the patch when I apply it ? 19.19.55 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5522 19.20.02 # 20 minutes and counting for cygwin to "make" a build 19.20.59 # dunno: Yeah, you'd want to adjust settings.c appropriately I think, but I don't know what sort of adjustment needs to be done. 19.21.05 Quit Dgently ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.21.15 # 20 minutes seems a bit long, though I guess it depends on your computer... 19.21.31 # 1.13 P111 19.21.51 # Ah, possibly understandable then. 19.22.09 # ah well let it run, it took me long enough to get the darn thing to run, make the most of it 19.22.14 Nick Ribs2 is now known as Ribs (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 19.22.18 # Thanks for you help, much appreciated 19.22.32 # I know it took me ~7 minutes on a Athlon64 3400+, cygwin is not exactly speedy 19.22.47 # I know how frustrating some of this stuff can be. :) 19.23.30 # sheez, I sometimes think that my so called "logical brain" is a big disadvantage with this stuff 19.24.48 Join Ish_nitti [0] (n=Someone@65-60-124-34-cust.telepacific.net) 19.25.28 # hello everyone 19.25.42 # I wonder if lostlogi1 is lostlogic(Brandon) 19.25.49 # i am a new ipod video owner, and am looking to install Rockbox 19.26.00 # im guessing this wont allow me to watch my video podcasts? 19.26.17 # i am aware of the dual boot option 19.26.21 # dunno: If it's not, it's someone pretending to be him. 19.26.39 # Ish_nitti: For your podcasts, you'll only be able to view them in the Apple firmware. 19.27.15 # lostlogi1 hello there, are you Brandon :=) 19.31.40 Join RedBreva [0] (n=mark@host217-42-183-128.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 19.35.24 # Hi, is mIRC working? Only just installed it, but no traffic in here, so not sure if it's just quiet, or i've got something wrong... :D 19.35.40 # lol 19.35.45 # it's just quiet 19.35.46 # :) 19.35.54 # :D Thanks 19.36.10 # (I wondered the same thing when I first came in here yesterday) 19.36.13 # its that time of the evening in europe, lull before the storm 19.36.25 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.36.37 # 19:36 CET, dinner time and family time 19.36.44 # plus Germany are playing on TV - World cup and all that 19.37.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: so dual boot would be my best option? 19.37.46 # Ish_nitti: Your only one for video podcasts + rockbox for the moment 19.38.02 # Ish_nitti: yep. 19.40.26 # No one watches video podcats? 19.40.32 # thats absurd! 19.40.33 # lol 19.40.55 # I dont watch anysort of cats, pod or otherwise :D 19.41.04 Join Psilonaut [0] (n=DaPhunka@49-198.244.81.adsl.skynet.be) 19.41.29 # haha 19.42.01 # They're rather informative 19.42.16 # Might i suggest you look into it :) 19.42.23 # What do you mean "No one watches" them? 19.42.23 # Esp the technology related ones 19.42.40 # You said i was the only one for video on rockbox 19.42.49 # no, he said that's your one option. :) 19.42.53 # oh 19.42.54 # No, I said it was your only option. :-P 19.43.00 # I apologize 19.43.19 # :D 19.45.18 # Rocketboom on the PC every few days is as near to a video podcast that I get, but even that is too small to really enjoy 19.46.17 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 19.47.15 Part biffhero 19.50.59 # yay cygwin has finally completed a build, 55 minutes later 19.51.51 # Wow 19.52.05 # I think that there might be an issue somewhere 19.53.11 # I did full installs of cygwin from two different mirrors, wonder if this could have an effect on it 19.53.19 # In response to your last forum post: I don't think that should be a problem, as that's just where it stores things before it extracts and installs them. 19.54.38 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 19.58.33 # hello 20.00.11 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.02.21 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-103-123.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.02.37 # Will installing rockbox format my ipods HD? 20.02.51 # If you have an HFS+ one, reformatting is necessary 20.02.55 # If you have a FAT32 one, it is now 20.02.56 # I think i read somewhere that the ipodpatcher.exe need to format to update the firmware 20.02.58 # not 20.03.04 # ahh gotcha 20.03.08 # yeah its fat32 20.03.32 # thank you paul, you've been very helpfull :) 20.03.57 # No problem 20.04.49 # nah that cygwin build didn't work, there is a big mess where theres supposed to be a zip file, back to the drawing board 20.05.06 # Big mess? 20.05.18 # And: I still think you should just use VMWare. 20.05.23 # files all over the place 20.05.26 # Well yeah 20.05.36 # After running "Make" did you follow with "make fullzip"? 20.05.39 # I dont really want to install linux on my pc 20.05.52 # VMWare isn't installing linux. 20.05.56 # yeah dude 20.06.02 # hence the, "Virtual Machine" 20.06.03 # cygwin should work fine :) 20.06.05 # You install a single program, VMWare player, and it basically runs a virtual computer. 20.06.12 # That fake computer runs Linux 20.06.14 # I haven't tried cygwin but vmware worked superwell for me yesterday 20.06.32 # ryan, i might be a dude to you, but i dont really like computers, no matter what flavour they are 20.06.33 # dionoea: Cygwin takes twice as long to compile, and has far more potential complications while setting up. 20.06.45 # haha 20.06.53 Join Dgently [0] (n=c0553201@labb.contactor.se) 20.07.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: but it takes less disk space :) 20.07.31 # haha 20.07.44 # that it does. 20.07.45 # well I suppose you have a choice then 20.08.01 # keep playing with cygwin and have it take longer, or try vmware 20.08.04 # dunno: Anyway, did you do a "make fullzip" after the make? 20.08.05 # ;) 20.08.16 # dunno: It doesn't create a .zip file until you run the second command. 20.08.45 # Paul dont remember, so I'll another make fullzip, this time 20.08.57 # dunno: You can also do "make zip" if you're okay with it leaving out the fonts. But it's always "make" which creates all the files, then "make zip" or "make fullzip" which puts those files in a .zip to use. 20.10.00 # haha, was typing irc in the cygwin window, thanks for that tip about the fonts, will try it 20.11.23 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.20.50 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.24.17 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-103-123.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.24.36 # my cugwin installation is unwell, I type make zip and it returns "find: apps; no such file or directory", *sigh*, i'll reinstall, cygwin ans see what happens 20.25.23 # I still suggest VMWare. It's much simpler to install and use. 20.26.05 # thanks paul i'll look into that next, just seems a pity to come so far and have to abandon it 20.26.46 # later 20.26.49 Part dunno 20.26.50 # Yeah, but sometimes it costs more to fix something than to just buy a new one. ;) 20.26.52 # Darn 20.28.16 # Heh, well my ipod is trashed 20.28.47 # Oh? 20.28.52 # i used the bootloader-color-nondefualt.bin instead of the video bootloader 20.29.02 # ... 20.29.03 # ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin 20.29.11 # yeah i did that 20.29.18 # oh wait 20.29.20 # without the -w 20.29.25 # Yeah 20.29.30 # You did it with the -r to extract it 20.29.35 # -w writes it back, restoring the original 20.29.44 # To undo what you've done. 20.29.55 # i still have to get around to writing that tutorial on updating the apple firmware. 20.29.55 # this is what i did 20.29.56 # ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin 20.30.09 # did you put the number of your ipod in for N ? 20.30.10 # should that be the bootloader? 20.30.12 # yes 20.30.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.30.17 # Yes, but you used the wrong bootloader 20.30.17 # okay. making sure. 20.30.21 # And I just told you how to undo it. 20.30.44 # so i should put the booloader-color-nondefualt.bin instead of rockboot.bin right? 20.30.49 # No. 20.31.00 # notice it says "color" not "video" 20.31.05 # yes 20.31.12 # but i needed that dual boot function 20.31.18 # i guess it wont be doable. 20.31.26 # Stop 20.31.35 # hammer time! 20.31.42 # 1) The official bootloader does dual boot. The one you tried to use defaults to Apple instead of Rockbox is all 20.31.58 # 2) Why did you think using software for a different iPod would work? Why would we label which one they were for if it didn't matter? 20.32.07 # True 20.32.15 # I was unaware i could still dual boot 20.32.24 # with the proper firmware 20.32.28 # 3) Just boot your ipod into disk mode (menu+select held to reboot, then hold select+play to go into disk mode), then do the command I told you to restore the original apple firmware partition. 20.32.35 # Then follow the instructions PROPERLY this time. 20.32.40 Quit Psilonaut () 20.32.47 # Your iPod's fine 20.32.54 # And your music should still be fine even 20.33.30 # Yeah i know its fine, i was just saying i crapped it :) 20.33.36 # You do end up sending rockboot.bin over, because it's what you get when you merge the bootloader with the apple firmware, but you *need* to create it with the proper bootloader bin file. 20.33.43 # Well in disk mode it just says "Ok to disconnect" 20.33.47 # yet its not connected to the USB 20.33.55 # So plug in the USB 20.35.04 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG) 20.35.58 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-66-139-199-11.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 20.36.46 Quit lee-qid__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.39.02 Quit Quarryman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.41.33 Quit ryran ("hasta la pasta!") 20.43.20 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 20.51.29 Quit nobelium ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 20.51.42 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Connection timed out) 20.53.58 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b96481.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.02.53 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 21.04.43 Quit Hidden_Lurker ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.05.08 Join [TCK] [0] (i=TCK@81-178-117-240.dsl.pipex.com) 21.08.50 Quit ydnar (Connection timed out) 21.09.48 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 21.11.38 Join lee-qid__ [0] (n=liqid@p54964F42.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.14.51 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 21.16.57 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.17.07 Quit Rondom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.20.19 Join ydnar [0] (n=ydnar@cpe-67-10-187-94.houston.res.rr.com) 21.20.41 # Interesting 21.20.47 # Ok i get the blue bootup post screen 21.20.59 # but i keep getting the -1 error, even tho i completed setup. 21.21.55 # Ish_nitti: are you sure the rockbox.ipod and /.rockbox folder are in the root of your ipod's drive? 21.22.07 # by top-level (root) they mean outside of all the folders? 21.22.09 # yeah im pretty sure 21.22.14 # im double checking right now 21.22.35 # F:\.rockbox\ 21.22.44 # F:\rockbox.iaudio is in there also 21.22.51 # should it be in the iPod_control folder? 21.22.57 # im pretty sure F:\ is the root 21.23.24 # ... 21.23.30 # why do you have rockbox.iaudio? 21.23.39 # it came with the .zip 21.23.42 # .... 21.23.47 # you downloaded the wrong zip then. 21.23.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml 21.24.01 # oh shiz, you know what i did 21.24.13 # it the iAudioX5 looks like a video ipod 21.24.14 # downloaded the wrong zip? 21.24.14 # lol 21.25.29 # wow do i feel stupid. 21.26.17 # looks good 21.26.24 # very basic menu :) love it 21.26.32 # now to choose some decent themes. 21.26.56 Join Benacool [0] (i=Benacool@toronto-HSE-ppp4101476.sympatico.ca) 21.28.27 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953a1.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.31.51 Quit Dgently ("CGI:IRC") 21.33.37 # Hmm... DAP with 10 band EQ. Sounds like ours needs an upgrade. :-P 21.33.38 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-84-152.tn.glocalnet.net) 21.34.44 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@212.204.41.115) 21.36.05 # Paul_The_Nerd: Which DAP has a 10 band EQ? 21.36.39 # we need a sixty band EQ! 21.36.52 Part raybert 21.37.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: Is it also Parametric? :-P 21.38.58 # Genre9mp3: Actually, I can't tell if it's an "EQ" that has presets, and just displays 10 bands of peakmeters, or an actual one. It's some new korean player that's pretty crappy with ONLY MP3, AVI, JPEG, and TXT supported. I kinda find it hard to believe that they mean 10 band EQ in the same way we would. 21.40.00 # will that be fixed for the release version? 21.40.12 # What? 21.40.17 # oops 21.40.27 # sorry, I had my window scrolled up 21.40.40 # So, what were you asking about? 21.41.00 # what is the purpose of the rockbox-2.5-install.exe? 21.41.00 # hang on a second, I'll scroll back and check if that was discussed 21.41.14 # Ish_nitti: It's the previous release version? 21.41.43 # this page 21.41.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/download/ 21.41.51 # Ish_nitti: Every now and then an official release happens, which has to meet a certain standard of bug-free-ness, and those are kept around so people who don't care so much about living on the edge have a stable one to use. 21.42.15 # 2.5 was the last official release, which included all Archos targets. 21.42.37 # What is archos? another brand of mp3 player? 21.42.40 # ive never heard of it 21.42.47 # Yes. 21.42.52 # gotcha 21.43.00 # The 3.0 release is the next one, which may or may not happen soon, and encompasses the Archoses and irivers. The iPods aren't to be released for a while yet. 21.43.16 # nice 21.43.31 # ok, well what I wanted to ask is that with the problem that sometimes a plugin can hog all the CPU by not yeilding, so will plugins that don't be included in the release version or will those be fixed or taken out of the release version? 21.43.38 # well i booted into a stock rockbox, how do i get to my music now? 21.43.46 # im thinking i have to create a playlist 21.43.52 # or just read the freakin pdf manual 21.43.53 # lol 21.44.00 # Ish_nitti: If you have music hidden by iTunes, try reading the TagCache wiki page. 21.44.10 # ok 21.44.18 # pekuja: Which plugin are you thinking of? 21.44.26 # not any one in particular 21.44.29 # pekuja: I haven't experienced that problem on my H100 at all. 21.44.33 # ok 21.44.35 # Do you know any plugins that don't yield? 21.44.36 # I have a H300 21.45.01 # yeah, I did have a problem with at least one... let me check 21.45.27 # but anyways, the particular plugin wasn't really my point, but I was wondering if that will be tested somewhat 21.45.47 # Well, we depend on people to actually *report* bugs. 21.45.48 # I mean at least to check that all plugins yeild at least a bit 21.45.57 # So, if you want it to get fixed, it'd be nice if you figured out which one it is. 21.46.07 # hmm 21.46.15 # I guess that's one way of looking at it 21.46.48 # So it looks like i need to force a tagcache update 21.46.54 # Well, I mean, if I don't have this problem at all, clearly I can't find it. 21.47.05 # If you're experiencing it, you sorta are the only person who knows exactly how it happens. 21.47.17 # well yeah, but I mean is that a sort of thing that gets checked before release or whatever? 21.47.32 # For release we try to fix as many reported bugs as possible. 21.47.40 # I mean if I was making a software release like that, I wouldn't want to ship buggy plugins with it since it's pretty easy to check if it's buggy or not 21.47.49 # How is it "easy?" 21.48.10 # There are over 20 plugins, 10 formats of supported music, and problems that may only occur at certain bitrates or under certain listening conditions. 21.48.18 # well of course 21.48.19 # I agree 21.48.26 # So, how is it easy exactly? 21.48.34 # but I guess some problems might appear with any, if the plugin never yeilds, right? 21.48.45 # Have you checked in the code that it never yields? 21.48.56 # Or are you just assuming that it does? 21.49.14 # I'm not assuming anything. I'm not talking about a particular plugin. 21.49.25 # I'm just wondering if the developers tend to check if all the plugins yeild or not. 21.49.35 Join yeahx [0] (n=aarond@c-24-19-231-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 21.49.52 # because if I understand correctly, not yeilding would pretty much guarantee that it will hog the CPU 21.50.01 # Pretty much, yes. 21.50.07 # It'd be *quite* noticeable if it didn't yield. 21.50.33 # And if people reported bugs, we'd then know about it. 21.50.57 # It's not like a developer can sit down and audit all the plugin code to make sure yields are used properly. 21.51.01 # well of course, but I mean you must do some testing of your own? 21.51.07 # Like what kind? 21.51.07 # well 21.51.18 # It's an open source project. 21.51.25 # Why don't you contribute and do some testing and provide feedback? 21.51.25 # that doesn't mean you can't test it 21.51.38 # But it means that you *can* 21.51.55 # It's a concern of yours. We haven't received bug reports on the plugins, so the assumption is that they're working. 21.52.20 # I mean honestly, compared to playback code the plugins are a very minor thing anyway. 21.52.24 # so you just write the code and assume it works? 21.52.35 # well yeah, that's exactly why it's important that they don't mess the playback up 21.52.39 # but I do get your point 21.52.39 Quit Poka64 ("just for now") 21.52.46 # pekuja: Why aren't you testing them? 21.53.00 # The code isn't just written and assumed it works. 21.53.01 # Hehe...I like the basic focus of this conversation... 21.53.07 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.53.16 # A plugin gets in by being written, several people trying it, finding it works, agreeing that it meets quality standards, and including it. 21.53.18 # Paul_The_Nerd, I'm testing right now. 21.53.25 # There's no assumption that it works 21.53.30 # It's tested when it gets included 21.53.38 # Paul_The_Nerd, And yeah, I was only asking whether you conduct testing before a release, or do you count on bug reports. 21.53.39 # But there's no audit to see if yields are being used correctly or anything 21.53.56 # Testing is usually done before a plugin is included 21.54.01 # yeah 21.54.02 Part yeahx 21.54.02 # It would be remiss to wait until a release cycle to test them 21.54.11 # well I guess that answers my question 21.54.17 # of course it would 21.54.18 # And it's not like the yields are going to mysteriously vanish from the code. 21.54.31 # but it might be a good idea to check at the release cycle too 21.54.39 # For what? Vanishing yields? 21.54.50 # or are the plugins not modified at all after they're included? 21.54.50 # And what test conditions? 21.55.15 # Yes, but as has been said, there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of test conditions 21.55.31 # The obvious ones WILL be noticed, the non-obvious ones have to be depended on widespread use to be noticed. 21.55.49 # So, under what conditions do you recommend testing occur? 21.56.39 # maybe my question was too obvious 21.56.56 # What *exactly* are you proposing? 21.57.11 # I'm not proposing anything. I asked a question. 21.57.15 # You started off by citing a specific problem (a plugin not yielding). 21.57.16 # I think I know the answer now. 21.57.34 # You seem to think there should be some testing process. 21.57.39 # yeah, or moreso the fact that a plugin might stop audio playback 21.57.41 # But you also don't seem to know what it should be. 21.57.56 # And you've hypothesized a bug that as far as you know doesn't actually exist. 21.58.38 # well I do know that I got my audio playback to stop at one point by running a plugin 21.58.42 Quit Genre9mp3 () 21.58.43 # so I know there are problems 21.59.22 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.59.27 # Skip, or stop? 21.59.28 # hrm 21.59.33 # i have to install some patches 22.00.10 # Ish_nitti: Patches require compiling your own build. 22.00.11 # Paul_The_Nerd, well I'm testing now, and I found that pacbox and metronome completely stop the audio playback, but I guess that's intentional? 22.00.22 # Paul_The_Nerd, it'd be nice if there was a warning about that though 22.00.29 # pekuja: it's intentional. 22.00.51 # So, no bug yet. 22.01.29 # well there kind of is 22.01.38 # and what would that be? 22.01.54 # well it stops the audio playback without user request 22.02.12 # The user requested to run a plugin with audio. 22.02.13 # it's not obvious that something called "pacbox" stops audio playback 22.02.24 # well yeah, but he might not know that 22.02.28 # like I didn't 22.02.32 # Then he didn't read the manual 22.02.37 # Which describes what the plugins are. 22.02.41 # hm... 22.02.43 # Pacbox is a PacMan emulator. 22.02.58 # does it tell that pacbox stops audio playback? 22.03.01 # "The user didn't read the manual" is not a bug. 22.03.03 # PacMan has sound. 22.03.21 # looks like the author for this theme already compiled it with the patches 22.03.22 # http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/ 22.03.28 # Doom also stops audio playback. 22.03.47 # Ish_nitti: Yes, it may be slightly out of date, but it should work. 22.03.57 # I'll have to read the manual I guess, but does the manual tell that plugins with sound stop any other audio playback? 22.04.03 # so i guess ill grab rockbox-jbuild-20060523-ipodvideo.tar.gz, do i just untar over the existing files on my pod? 22.04.36 # pekuja: How would you hear sound if they don't? Though it probably doesn't say it explicitly, it seems like common sense to me. If you don't feel it is, file a correction to the patch tracker. 22.04.56 # Ish_nitti: Put it on just like you did the rockbox.zip you used before. 22.06.06 # Paul_The_Nerd, well, it might either not play the sound if something was playing, or ask the user if they want to stop the playback or whatever 22.06.19 # but, a quote from the manual: 22.06.31 # "Music will carry on playing whilst plugins are being run." 22.07.01 # So file a correction in the patch tracker if you think it needs to be changed. 22.07.07 # As I said before. 22.07.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 22.07.45 # It's the way it is because the person who wrote it was okay with it. It doesn't mean it's perfect. You think it needs to be adjusted, then do so. 22.09.40 # i believe they also stop playback because they've to iram... not quite sure if i remember correctly. 22.09.55 Quit linuxstb (Connection timed out) 22.10.31 # sharpe: I think the only one without sound that stops playback is the JPEG viewer, which has a note telling the user that it will. 22.10.37 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.12.05 Quit Siku () 22.12.06 # batterytest also seems to stop playback 22.12.28 # batterytest is supposed to be removed, I believe. 22.12.40 # hm, I think I don't even have a jpeg viewer here. is it new? 22.13.00 # It's a viewer-style plugin 22.13.02 # You just click on jpegs 22.13.15 # It's been in since before H300 support was added 22.14.13 # sharpe: Yes, that's why pacbox stops playback - it needs IRAM and all the CPU in order to get realtime emulation. Other plugins may stop playback to get access to the extra memory, and others have sound themselves. 22.14.23 # Paul_The_Nerd, what's it called? 22.14.39 # Score! I get one right again. 22.14.56 # pekuja: jpeg.rock 22.15.05 # hm, I don't think I have it here 22.15.13 # It doesn't show up in the plugin list 22.15.14 # I told you 22.15.19 # It's in .rockbox/viewers/ (not rocks/) 22.15.19 # It's a viewer-style plugin 22.15.22 Join xerxes1358 [0] (n=xerxes@145.116.0.96) 22.15.25 # Hello 22.15.38 # * Ish_nitti is away: lunchtimebitches 22.15.48 # i fought the washing machine and i won. 22.15.52 # can rockbox have a file structure ? i.e. Can I have folders in folders that in turn contain audio files ? 22.16.02 # Paul_The_Nerd, when did you tell me that? 22.16.02 # note that folder in folder is important 22.16.05 # xerxes1358:yes 22.16.16 # xerxes1358: rockbox works as a filebrowser. 22.16.22 # cool 22.16.27 # pekuja: The next line after you said "Is it new?" says it's viewer-style 22.16.29 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 22.16.29 # and can this also be done for video files ? 22.16.39 # No 22.16.40 # xerxes1358: rockbox does not support video 22.16.49 # oh 22.16.59 # Paul_The_Nerd, oh, I get it now 22.17.10 # Paul_The_Nerd, I didn't understand what you meant by viewer-style at first 22.17.35 # but hey, I have an actual bug here, running the "fire" plugin makes the music skip 22.17.43 Part xerxes1358 ("Leaving") 22.18.05 # with a 160kbps cbr mp3 22.18.19 # I'll see if I have some lower bitrate stuff here to test 22.18.31 # pekuja: Viewers are described in the manual as well, by the way. 22.19.24 # Paul_The_Nerd, ok 22.19.56 # Paul_The_Nerd, I still would not assume anyone to know what a "viewer" is though, since it's not at all important to know that if you just want to use them 22.20.27 # Yes, and? 22.20.28 # ok, the fire plugin is a bastard, it makes my 64kbps cbr mp3 skip too 22.20.46 # yes, and I didn't know the concept of "viewer" 22.20.47 # pekuja: What do you mean by "would not assume?" 22.21.14 # Yes, but you had established that you had read, or were reading, the manual 22.21.24 # So I knew you were fully capable of at least accessing the information, if not already possessing the knowledge. 22.21.29 # it's a long manual 22.21.39 # It's also _the_ manual, so users should read it. 22.24.18 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 22.24.21 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 22.24.58 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-83-104.tn.glocalnet.net) 22.25.16 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 22.26.45 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.30.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.30.17 Part Paul_The_Nerd 22.33.14 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 22.42.39 Join Lozzy`` [0] (n=spam@host81-159-59-16.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) 22.44.13 Part Lozzy`` 22.47.33 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-0-122.tn.glocalnet.net) 22.50.19 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 22.51.08 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting") 22.52.31 Quit dpassen2 ("CGI:IRC") 22.54.00 # how do i boot into the original apple firmware? 22.54.16 # hold menu before the bootloader loads. 22.54.21 # i tried holding menu 22.54.24 # yeah that didnt work 22.54.26 # ill try again 22.54.29 # keep trying 22.54.47 # just turn it off, and hold menu to turn it on, and keep holding it. 22.54.56 # ahh ok 22.54.58 # let me try that 22.55.23 # be sure you do not move your finger either. 22.56.13 # there we go 22.56.53 # needed to get to my video podcasts :) 22.56.55 # damn i love rockbox 22.57.07 # and rockbox loves you back 22.57.11 # totally customizable 22.57.13 # its insane 23.01.23 # when rockbox plays the mp4s, I can switch completely :P 23.01.33 # aka video? 23.01.44 # mmhmm 23.01.54 # i dont mind switching firmware to watch my video 23.02.15 # most of them are long, so im already sitting down for a long period of time. taking 5 mins to reboot is nothing. 23.02.34 # i just like the robust options for my music that rockbox brings to the table 23.03.06 Quit [TCK] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.03.20 Quit slarti (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.04.32 Join slarti [0] (i=slarti@gentoo/developer/slarti) 23.05.01 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.05.44 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953f1.pool.mediaWays.net) 23.06.06 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 23.06.10 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953f1.pool.mediaWays.net) 23.06.20 # i have a question 23.06.38 # how did the theme designers get screenshots of their theme in progress? 23.06.47 # plugin? 23.07.10 # there is a build in screendump functionality 23.07.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump 23.07.25 # wow 23.07.30 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 23.07.33 # wb paul 23.07.52 # Thankee. Just had to get stuff done without worrying as to whether someone might ask me a question while I'm gone. :) 23.08.11 # that's why i'm here, to fill in :D 23.08.28 # sharpe knows whats up 23.08.32 # Hehehe 23.08.42 # i was just saying how great rockbox was 23.08.46 Quit redondos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.08.56 # and how i didnt mind switching over to the original os to watch my vids 23.09.03 # well, i am in the 'Rockbox Expert' position on the forums. :D 23.09.13 # ahh yes, there are forums as well 23.09.16 # Yeah, well one day Rockbox will certainly have video. It's just, y'know, not likely soon. :) 23.09.23 # Yeah 23.09.25 # Oh yes indeed, there are very definitely forums. 23.09.50 # paul, you've never told of the person you have the inexplicable urge to ban. 23.09.55 # Have you or the original coders of rockbox recieved anything from apple reguarding your os? 23.10.10 # sharpe: As I said, it's a secret. 23.10.17 # :) 23.10.25 # Ish_nitti: we received exactly this much: ---><--- 23.10.36 # * Ish_nitti is back after 54m: lunchtimebitches 23.10.37 # actually a bit less than that, didn't we? 23.10.39 # grr script 23.10.43 # sorry for the spam 23.11.07 # * Bagder curses ups 23.11.39 # i would put money on apple using some of your stuff on a "newer re-vamped" ipod interface 23.11.46 # Bagder: Missed you again? 23.11.47 # same thing M$ did with xbox 23.12.04 # Paul_The_Nerd: I haven't heard from nor seen them during the whole day 23.12.07 # people modded their xbox to do a lot of stuff that is now standard in the xbox 360 23.12.14 # Bagder: That is terrible. 23.12.24 # Ish_nitti: Apple has filed a patent for a feature remarkably similar to the VoiceUI 23.12.41 # Not identical, but similar 23.12.42 # Interesting 23.12.44 # I guess I target tuesday now, as then I'll be home for a few hours during the morning 23.13.05 # * Bagder sighs 23.13.07 Join redondos [0] (n=redondos@190.48.27.53) 23.13.23 # * Paul_The_Nerd is dying of curiosity 23.13.30 # yay cirtus fruits 23.13.39 # Hello. After installing Rockbox on an iPod Nano and booting it, I don't see any music. Is there something else I need to do? 23.14.02 # redondos: If the music was copied over by iTunes, iTunes hid it. See the TagCache wiki page. 23.14.02 # either copy the music to your ipod in a folder-like structure, or use tagcache 23.14.47 # I would like to share the music between the Apple OS, iPodLinux and Rockbox. I'll see if tagcache lets me do that. Thank you. 23.15.08 # I would put the music in the root folder. 23.15.19 # Everyone *always* wants to use their music in the Apple OS. 23.15.27 # I dont have exp with iPodLinux, but im sure it can view files in root just like Rockbox 23.15.28 # it's like iTunes is the bully kid on the playground 23.15.30 # Ish_nitti: But the Apple OS and ipodlinux won't be able to read it, or will they? 23.15.35 # he hides other kids things... 23.15.40 # hahaha 23.15.43 # Why would you want to play your music in iPodLinux? 23.16.01 # Paul_The_Nerd: All right, nevermind about ipl. Let's say I only want it on apple and rockbox. 23.16.07 # TagCache is fine for that 23.16.11 # Cool. 23.16.11 # Tagcache is your best bet 23.16.13 # Thank you. 23.16.17 # Is it a rockbox addon? 23.16.19 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.16.21 # I dont like tagcache 23.16.22 # It's built in 23.16.28 # Read the wiki page called TagCache at rockbox.org 23.16.33 # im going to pull my mp3's to their own folders when i get home 23.16.35 # i don't use tagcache 23.16.43 # but that's just me 23.16.46 # yeah 23.16.49 # I don't mind tagcache, but only because I use it differently 23.16.55 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 23.16.55 # im using it for now becuase im at work, and my mp3's are at home. 23.17.01 # For example, song title includes the word "Zelda" or some such. 23.17.21 # Then when I sync over ocremix tunes, or add to them, I can always have a dynamic "All songs from Zelda Games" remix 23.17.43 # It's more of a set of self-generating-playlists than a Media Database for me. :) 23.17.52 # paul, you have a zelda game songs remix? 23.17.53 # nice 23.18.11 # Ish_nitti: Can that be done? With what player device? 23.18.20 # sharpe: I have the first 1250 OCRemixes, if I recall. 23.18.30 # no clue what that is, but okay! 23.18.31 # sharpe: Which include many Zelda songs 23.18.43 # OCRemixes.org is a bunch of mp3s of remixes of videogame songs. 23.18.47 # ah. 23.18.55 # Many of which are actually good 23.19.00 # Some of which are terrifying instead. 23.19.09 # Like the "Hillbilly" genre remix of the Bubble Bobble theme. 23.19.10 # Is an item called 'Music' supposed to appear on the main rockbox screen after enabling tagcache and letting it scan my files? 23.19.20 # redondos: Read the whole page. 23.19.29 # Reboot, ok. 23.19.34 # Thanks. 23.19.38 # lol 23.20.03 # Is there a way to reboot *from rockbox* without hitting the key combination that produces a reboot on my device? 23.20.11 # hold play 23.20.11 # Hold Play/Pause to shut down 23.20.12 # Bagder: UPS (and other parcel services) are annoying here too. They only deliver Monday thru Friday, and during the day - where most people aren't at home. 23.20.17 Join Cillian [0] (n=cillian@host86-132-143-169.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) 23.20.20 # then press menu or select to boot 23.20.23 # ty 23.20.23 # where do I install teh patchset for midi? 23.20.36 # Cillian: Extract it preserving folders into .rockbox 23.20.39 # ok 23.20.43 # "Commiting tagcache" -> yay 23.20.48 # It creates a folder named patchset (or patches) if I recall... in /.rockbox/ 23.20.53 # patchset 23.21.05 # It really only works halfway decent on the iRivers. 23.21.19 # I still don't see where to browse my music from. 23.21.29 # amiconn: One of the parcel services here doesn't even deliver to my door. They drop it off at the apartment complex's office, and don't notify me, so I have to watch the tracking number. 23.21.31 # add a playlist 23.21.32 # thats what i did 23.21.43 # it will create root.m3u 23.21.47 # redondos: It also tells you how to change the file view to ID3 database there. 23.21.48 # midi seems to be working, but it's REALLY fast 23.21.55 # redondos: You need to read the whole page, as I said 23.21.56 # and lots of "Buffer miss" 23.22.01 # Paul_The_Nerd: Sawrry :/ 23.22.02 # Cillian: Ipod of some sort? 23.22.10 # yep, video 23.22.20 # Paul_The_Nerd: ugh... 23.22.25 # Sort of works :D 23.22.28 # Yeah, resampling issue for the double speed thing, slow processor for the buffer misses, if I understand. 23.22.38 # Ok, 2 secs 23.23.00 # "FINISHED PLAYING" and it seems to have locked up 23.23.09 # Well that's lovely. 23.23.52 # :) 23.24.09 # Just upped the cpu frequency 23.24.13 # lets see what that does 23.24.24 # The midi player should boost on its own 23.24.25 # Still double speed and messed up buffer 23.24.40 # Ok, forget midi 23.24.41 # :) 23.24.43 # There should never be any cause to manually boost. 23.24.53 # The only useful alternative here is DHL, which (1) also deliver Saturday and (2) if they cannot deliver, drop a note put the parcel at the nearest post office where you can pick it up. 23.25.05 # (during opening hours, of course, which also include Saturday) 23.25.12 # MIDI seems to suffer from drive-by-itis, where someone fixes some aspect of it to suit their needs, then lets it sit until someone else drive-by-fixes something 23.25.22 # * linuxstb_ works from home so has no delivery problems... 23.25.29 # The buffers aren't too bad, anything I can do about the double speed? 23.25.41 # Fix the audio driver. 23.25.48 # ... 23.25.51 # For companies, UPS & friends are ok... 23.25.56 # it is slightly annoying that the shipment from US to Sweden took no time, and now it'll take many days just to get them to give the package to me 23.26.30 # Cillian: IIUC, the problem is that the midi player plays back at 22.050KHz, but the ipod audio driver only supports 44.1KHz at the moment. 23.26.49 # Ookay 23.28.40 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-117-240.dsl.pipex.com) 23.29.10 # wouldn't it be easier to port the midi program to 44.1? 23.29.43 # Bagder: Do they offer you an option to pick it up yourself? That's what I do when my times don't match UPS's. 23.29.44 # The audio driver needs completing anyway. 23.30.09 # Do themes for other devices work on an iPod nano? 23.30.17 # hardeep: I think they do, but I have yet to call them and get the details 23.30.19 # redondos: Nope, nothing else has the same size screen. 23.30.36 # ups delivered my package to the wrong house the last time... 23.30.39 # Paul_The_Nerd: All right, thanks. 23.30.40 # you could create your own nano theme 23.31.00 # Ish_nitti: That's what I did! :) 23.31.03 # When I'm viewing the ?now playing? screen, what's the fastest way of looking at the current playlist? 23.31.05 # :) 23.31.25 # redondos: Hold Select (not just tap), then choose that option from the list, if I recall 23.31.53 # great 23.31.57 # sharpe: I almost always get my UPS packages 1 day early. With the exception of one that got delayed because of a hurricane. 23.32.04 # heh 23.32.08 # It was merely on time. 23.32.11 Join dunno [0] (n=54996052@labb.contactor.se) 23.32.27 Quit slarti (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.32.31 Join slarti [0] (i=slarti@gentoo/developer/slarti) 23.32.39 # yes, mine was delivered to the house in front of mine, when house numbers are clearly visible 23.33.11 # any dev, what does brandom mean in the comments of this patch, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2890 , and what do i need to do to install it please 23.34.51 # dunno: You mean " WARNING: THIS PATCH CHANGES CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION" ? 23.35.21 # dunno: it means patches will be sorted numerically ? and you should backup your config before using a firmware with this patch ? 23.35.28 # linuxstb_: The comment about it not updating settings I guess? 23.35.33 # no this comment Shoot, I forgot to increase the used bits counter in the 23.35.55 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 23.36.37 # the comments down in the comments box :-) 23.37.32 # Shoot, I forgot to increase the used bits counter in the settings.c file. If this gets applied, do that too. 23.37.54 # brandons comments in the comments box for that patch 23.38.30 # I think he's just referring to the "current sum of bits" comment in the code. So as Brandon said, it's only important if the patch is committed to CVS. You can ignore it. 23.38.44 # thank you 23.40.13 Part Cillian ("*poof*") 23.43.31 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.45.57 # with vmware, can i apply moroe than 1 patch before compiling, or do I have to do one patch and repeat the process 23.46.12 # You can always apply as many patches as you want before compiling. 23.46.21 # thanks 23.46.23 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.46.25 # as long as they don't conflict with each other 23.46.27 # As long as one patch doesn't break another one. 23.47.41 # grrr 23.47.56 # * amiconn cannot find petur's preliminary isp1362 driver patch 23.47.59 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 23.48.08 # hmm, its impossible to know if there's going to be a conflict, so I guess its a case of fingers crossed ? 23.48.21 # dunno: patch --dry-run 23.48.34 # k 23.49.03 # Where can I get xobox from? 23.49.36 # The page on the wiki doesn't say -> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginXobox 23.50.23 # google says here: http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/xobox.htm 23.50.58 # I think that plugins shouldn't be included in the plugin index if they're not in CVS 23.51.07 # Maybe a.. like... UnnoficialPluginIndex... 23.51.08 # I see, ok, thanks. 23.51.10 # I agree 23.51.13 # Yeah, that would be good. 23.51.17 # Unofficial even 23.51.21 Join Silent_Lu [0] (n=kvirc@S01060014bf1d200d.wp.shawcable.net) 23.51.30 # or at least a big note on the page saying its not included 23.51.59 # In BIG red letters 23.52.03 # And a link to where it's available. 23.52.16 # * redondos would like it. 23.52.42 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 23.53.38 # the --p0- <= is that a zero or a "O" 23.53.46 # Zero 23.55.56 # its mind boggling, its taken me 12 hours to get to the --p0- cmd in vmware, after that cygwin abort, and still no patches, luckily I'm on leave 23.56.55 # xobox is in cvs... 23.56.57 # redondos: Xobox is in CVS... 23.57.06 # damn, too slow again. 23.57.16 # Is there an echo in here? ;) 23.58.54 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 23.58.57 # only if the echo addresses said person...