--- Log for 19.06.106 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.09 # the test was about one year ago, with the stock battery. 00.00.30 # >17h with retailos _and_ backlight??? 00.00.31 # so is rockbox in the future for sansa 00.00.40 # liyang: Ignore me, I think it's the same application... 00.00.42 # 13 with backlight 00.00.46 # ah 00.00.53 # * amiconn misread 00.01.11 # linuxstb: it is :) 00.01.23 # linuxstb_: ah, um. 00.01.23 # :q 00.01.27 # oops 00.01.32 # Now I'm really embarassed. 00.02.28 # Just realised I had several versions of the iPod Updater and QuickSilver was running an ancient one. 00.03.58 # anyone 00.04.11 # is a sansa rockbox in the future 00.04.12 # Mekrob: probably 00.04.20 # or podzilla 00.04.23 # I would say maybe... 00.04.28 # is someone working on one 00.04.31 # i can help 00.04.59 Quit seablue ("the cool spot") 00.05.48 # Mekrob: are you going to buy one then? 00.05.55 # Sansa have donated two players but zero in the way of technical documentation so far, and there is no public documentation available... 00.05.58 # its looking like it 00.06.11 # video and mp3 and other features 00.06.12 # Mekrob: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html 00.07.19 # Maybe sansa could write a bootloader for Rockbox... 00.07.33 # * amiconn is really curious what runtime we would get in radio mode 00.07.48 # * amiconn should probably perform one such runtime test as well 00.07.48 # who is the guy who talked to sansa 00.07.56 # linuxstb: not a bad idea 00.08.00 # its summer now so i can spend alot of time working on this 00.08.01 # Mekrob: me 00.08.18 # so have you started to build it yet? 00.08.31 # ill help in anyway possible 00.08.32 # I suggest you read that page 00.08.35 # and some links from it 00.08.41 # but in short: no 00.08.48 # :) 00.09.10 # aw 00.09.19 # well when and if you do im willing to help 00.09.24 # then join in 00.09.41 # because i guess ill just have to sacrifice rockbox until then 00.09.52 # i dont see anywhere were i can 00.10.05 # well, then you won't be of much use ;-) 00.10.08 # what can you help with? 00.10.36 # markun: Any news about the gigabeat bootloader? I noticed the "todo" list is getting shorter... 00.10.50 # i want to help 00.10.58 # im getting the player 00.11.23 # Mekrob: we're so far merely investigating and trying to figure out the file formats used for firmware upgrade 00.11.45 # Mekrob, i mean, do you have any programming skills? anything like that? 00.11.49 # linuxstb_: time and lazyness on my part are the only problems right now 00.11.50 # in what way can you assist the port? 00.12.00 # i know a little c++ 00.12.06 # and rss 00.12.12 # and html kinda 00.12.18 # im learning 00.12.24 # i learn quick 00.12.53 # if you told me what to learn i can learn it 00.12.58 # ARM assembler 00.12.59 # linuxstb_: we have some problems reading the ADC values 00.13.24 # markun: Is that for the button driver? 00.13.31 # ok i will look into this when i get back from the grocery store 00.13.34 # linuxstb_: and battery voltage we think 00.13.43 # amiconn: A radio battery benchmark may take ages... 00.13.52 # Mekrob: we probably need to do a bit of arm disassembly to figure out things 00.15.01 # the issue of the sound stopping when scrolling doesn't seem to be an issue of the CPU being overused 00.15.03 # Mekrob: The first place to start would be to download the Rockbox source, read it, and build a UI simulator and play with that. 00.15.28 Join vesuv [0] (n=vesuv@p54A71F88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.15.40 # good evening 00.16.27 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 00.16.29 # Kronuz: why do you think that? 00.16.45 # vesuv: hi 00.17.35 Part stripwax 00.17.49 # I'm kinda curious if somebody could give me a projection, when Rockbox will be released for iPod 3G? 00.18.10 # Currently there is no-one working on it... 00.18.12 # markun: it seems for the anti-skip buffer (music seems to stop only when the auto-skip buffer ends) 00.18.25 # linuxstb_: we now enable USB mode at the end of our little test 'firmwares' so we don't have to open up our Gigabeats all the time 00.18.36 # linuxstb_: hm, that's to bad. 00.18.47 # markun: maybe not :P 00.19.08 # (Kronuz) markun: it seems for the anti-skip buffer (music seems to stop only when the auto-skip buffer ends) 00.19.24 # i did not noticed any difference when changing the skip buffer values 00.19.40 # it still stops playing when i scroll through files 00.19.51 # no matter how high the anti-skip buffer is set 00.19.52 # yeah, me neither... it must have been a weird coincidence 00.20.15 # but after checking again it again stopped sooner 00.20.39 # Well, thanks for the information, anyway. 00.20.41 # I guess it has something to do with an interruption being handled too often during menu navigation 00.21.22 # perhaps reducing the sampling of the wheel on menus, or making the handler faster... 00.21.34 # I guess, I need to find me a Windows PC to restore my iPod then. 00.21.39 # I don't know (I just found Rockbox yesterday evening :P) 00.24.27 Join Koganei [0] (i=Kogs@Toronto-HSE-ppp3780398.sympatico.ca) 00.24.50 # Rockbox doesn't support DivX playback on iPod video, right? 00.25.05 # Nope. 00.25.11 # =/ any plans that it will? 00.25.22 # Not likely. 00.25.28 # okay, thanks ^_^; 00.25.30 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.25.39 Quit Koganei (Client Quit) 00.25.51 # That was short and concise. 00.27.22 # liyang: yes, good job :) 00.28.21 # markun: Have you done any LCD speed tests on the gigabeat? 00.28.22 # lol 00.29.22 # Should I leave now, since I don't have any other questions? ,) 00.29.41 # linuxstb_: the gigabeat updates the framebuffer to the LCD driver 30 times per second right now 00.29.50 # * liyang is planning on lurking until his connection drops out. 00.30.05 # I don't know yet how we can only make it update when we want to 00.30.11 # markun: So it's a memory-mapped framebuffer? 00.30.27 # * liyang ponders: How much effort would it be to give RockBox HFS+ support? 00.30.43 # linuxstb: this much --> <--- 00.30.45 # no, it's in RAM and a dedicated DMA is sending it to the LCD driver 00.30.46 # arg 00.30.53 Join [1]ZenMasterJG [0] (n=Jordan@69.43.65.34) 00.30.53 # liyang: A lot... Especially for write support, which is what Rockbox needs. 00.30.57 # I meant for liyang 00.31.05 # (given the current status of Linux HFS+...) 00.31.18 # linuxstb_: thought as much. :-/ 00.31.23 # we have nothing in common with linux in the fs department 00.31.41 # other than that Bjorn fixed the linux fat too ;-) 00.31.52 # well, they're documented it, as it were, via the miracle of source code. 00.32.02 Quit heff ("Client Exiting") 00.32.08 Quit ZenMasterJG (Nick collision from services.) 00.32.17 # yes it is certainly possible 00.32.21 # but still heaps of work 00.32.26 # Lots of Mac users would love you for adding HFS+ support, but IMO there are 101 more important things to do for the ipod port first. 00.32.36 # liyang: take a look at the S3C2440A user manual if you are interested 00.32.51 # eh.. that was for linuxstb_ :) 00.32.57 # I'm one of those Mac users. =) 00.33.03 # XD 00.33.58 # markun: I'm just curious at a high level... So in theory you think you should be able to manually start the DMA update? 00.34.04 # I wish I could say the same, my iBookd died a week a go :( 00.34.31 Nick [1]ZenMasterJG is now known as ZenMasterJG (n=Jordan@69.43.65.34) 00.34.36 # linuxstb_: we can enable and disable the update interrupt I think 00.35.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.35.46 # is there a developer around who knows about backlight? 00.35.54 # BL_IPODNANO is for iPod Video as well? 00.36.04 # Yes (to your second question) 00.36.17 # why isn't it called BL_IPOD5G ? 00.36.28 # :P 00.36.32 # Because it's the same as the Nano, and the Nano came first. 00.36.37 # badger 00.36.41 # you have aim? 00.36.41 # Well... 00.36.47 # lol 00.37.12 # it's confusing, I think it should be changed to BL_IPOD5G 00.37.19 # but oh well :P 00.37.25 # Mekrob: if you're referring to me, I'm Bagder and I am on IRC only 00.37.40 # oh ok then 00.37.53 # well, apart from email of course 00.37.59 # i dont feel like registering my nick 00.38.07 # Video development started first if you look at their firmware version numbers. 00.38.12 # and talking in public is rather tedious 00.38.48 # Kronuz: #define BL_IPOD5G BL_IPODNANO 00.40.28 # so i guess im out on coding the sansa 00.40.44 # yes 00.40.50 # you're too picky and touchy 00.40.55 # go away 00.41.04 # * Bagder gets annoyed 00.41.09 # ... 00.41.12 # w/e 00.41.29 # i dont particularly care i was just trying to help out 00.41.37 # and you whine 00.41.39 # all the time 00.41.45 # yup 00.42.04 # i guess your better without me 00.42.11 # his what? 00.42.45 # Mekrob: when you want to join a huge communty 00.42.55 # (sorry, I'm being presumptious. But no girls on teh intarbutt &c.) 00.43.00 # a good idea is to at least consider the existing way of doing and talking 00.43.01 # i already am a member of one 00.43.08 # i am 00.43.16 # good 00.43.26 # then please show it 00.43.37 # its just tedious if i have a question to ask you i have to sift through everyone else typing to find your answer 00.43.55 # it would be alot easier to contact over an instnt message 00.43.56 # and I feel the other way 00.44.01 # I hate private talkers 00.44.07 # when the subject is Rockbox 00.44.10 # well thats why i feel we cant coexist 00.44.28 # and that's why I said the above 00.44.29 # Fight to the death! 00.44.39 # Mekrob: it isnt hard to pick out the answer if you preface it with Bagder: 00.44.42 # * Bagder looks at his +o status 00.44.51 # Mekrob: there are irc clients that don't suck of course 00.44.55 # Bagder: I can see that. =) 00.45.00 # im using hydra 00.45.01 # hehe 00.45.06 # and ive used mirc 00.45.09 # and xchat 00.45.14 # Mekrob: and you can always /msg him 00.45.16 # but this is the best for me 00.45.20 # maybe they don't belong to that group then 00.45.20 # yah 00.45.25 Join webguest22 [0] (n=47fb537e@labb.contactor.se) 00.45.28 # but i havent registered 00.45.37 # you dont have to register to /msg... 00.45.39 # and dont feel like it 00.45.42 # yah 00.45.48 # it blocks privates 00.45.56 # you could do /dcc chat 00.45.56 # "to prevent spam 00.45.57 Quit webguest22 (Client Quit) 00.45.58 # scorche: yes you do on freenode, if the receiver hasn't switched it off 00.45.59 # if you really had to 00.46.02 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 00.46.03 # ick... 00.47.06 # this is pointless... if he'll ever contribute a patch he probably won't give his real name 00.47.09 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.90.76) 00.47.27 # who 00.47.30 # me? 00.47.39 # yes 00.47.44 # my real name is mike 00.47.59 # happy? 00.48.04 # full name 00.48.09 # so why won't you register your nick? 00.48.11 # michael j moyers 00.48.23 # idk 00.48.28 # dont feel like it yet 00.48.33 # hey, does Rockbox have audio normalization? 00.48.44 # ive been in this chat a day and people are already hostil 00.48.47 # Kronuz: as in replaygain, yes 00.48.48 # Mekrob: what would be the downside of registering? it's just one /msg to nickserv 00.48.52 # why would you reveal your real name on irc? 00.48.58 # idk if that is a community i want to be the part on 00.49.05 # * petur feels like stopping this conversation 00.49.12 # * Bagder stopped it already 00.49.12 # lou: everyone's name here is known 00.49.15 # I'm always my real name. 00.49.30 # don't feed the trolls as they say 00.49.36 # you couldn't find me with my real name even if you know what city i live in :) 00.49.48 # that somehow makes the whole idea of having a nickname obsolete 00.49.52 # mine is easy 00.50.02 # Bagder: I've only just realised your nick doesn't say Badger. 00.50.09 # lol 00.50.11 # nicknames aren't to keep you real name secret 00.50.12 # lol 00.50.12 # congratulations! ;-) 00.50.16 # i commented on that earlier 00.50.26 # i am always reading Badger 00.50.40 Join heff [0] (n=felix@xdsl-84-44-240-120.netcologne.de) 00.51.08 # * amiconn is looking at really interesting curves... 00.51.25 # * Bagder is looking at hexdumps 00.51.50 # what is the biggest sd card anyones seen? 00.51.59 # like in gb 00.52.02 # micro-sd? 512MB 00.52.10 # 1GB is "coming soon" 00.52.21 # or possibly available somewhere already 00.52.25 # im getting one for my sansa thats a 4 gig 00.52.30 # haha 00.52.32 # so ill have a 12 gig 00.52.33 # no you don't 00.52.40 # yah 00.52.42 # ill link ya 00.52.44 # you're a fool if you beleive so 00.52.51 # http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2070170068+1053107930+105331385&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=68 00.52.55 # Mekrob, they make 8gb sansas? 00.52.56 # not mini sd 00.53.02 # i thought so 00.53.02 # M I C R O 00.53.12 # i didnt say MICRO 00.53.15 # i said sd 00.53.19 # I said micro 00.53.30 # as that's what the Sansa wants 00.53.35 # well then were referring to different things 00.53.46 # it didnt say micro.. 00.53.56 # now I stop this for real 00.54.58 # eh 00.55.01 # miniSD? 00.55.05 # i personally have a 1gb 00.55.11 # and there are 2gbs out... 00.55.12 # the sansa takes a _micro_-SD 00.55.16 # micro/transflash >_> 00.55.18 # 1GB micro-sd seems available now: http://www.memorybits.co.uk/microsdtransflash_755.php 00.55.42 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/grayscale_analysis.png 00.55.51 Quit Noah0504 ("Lost terminal") 00.56.55 # This is the transfer function. Seems we don't just need to correct gamma, but also that bended something... 00.57.20 # oh right micro... 00.57.47 Join NewEgg [0] (n=Captain_@64-252-103-238.adsl.snet.net) 00.57.47 Quit bizinichimonji (SendQ exceeded) 00.58.18 # hey does ny1 no if doom works on da nano 00.58.30 # maybe Febs can answer that 00.58.37 # hahaha 00.58.42 # :P 00.58.43 # /whois ny1 00.58.44 # yes, it does 00.59.30 Join bizinichimonji [0] (i=rawr@pei219-54.resnet.usf.edu) 01.00.25 # Mikachu, haha. 01.00.41 # NewEgg, we speak and write English here. 01.02.36 # im sorry 01.02.39 # ill try 01.03.00 # almost there ;) 01.03.06 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 01.03.09 # Besides, if you're going to use that abbreviation crap, wouldn't it be "ne1"? 01.04.32 # Febs: I do believe that would be traditional AOL lamer-speak, yes. Maybe this is some sort of new dialect. 01.04.52 # it's a hybrid, i believe. 01.05.23 # is the whole firmware put in the .ipod file? 01.05.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp119-22.adsl.forthnet.gr) 01.05.55 # Apart from plugins, codecs, fonts,.... The core firmware is in the .ipod file. 01.05.58 # like the hardware specific and settings and mp3 player, etc? 01.06.17 # (the wps, that is) 01.06.27 # and menu, etc... 01.07.11 # Kronuz: look inside the zip file and it will become obvious what's in it and not 01.07.30 # it's not that obvius when you don't know the extensions 01.07.55 # Kronuz: Or looking at the source code, everything in firmware/ and apps/ (apart from apps/codecs/ and apps/plugins) is the core firmware. 01.08.24 # I see, that's what I thought, but I just wasn't sure 01.08.25 # :) 01.09.25 # damn, the brightness patch for the ipod won't work for some weird reason 01.09.41 # could be bitrot, doesn't apply? 01.09.41 # I just get a [No Files] message 01.09.48 Join austriancoder [0] (n=5078751e@labb.contactor.se) 01.09.54 # ?? 01.10.00 # what says no files? 01.10.07 # austriancoder: long time no see 01.10.29 # when I turn the iPod on, after "installing" the patched firmware 01.10.41 # ah 01.10.41 # I get a [No files] message in the middle and nothing works 01.11.01 # markun: i know... had much to do with university this term... and i waited until iriver power problem was solved :) 01.11.02 # yeah! Hello austriancoder! 01.11.06 # Have you copied the .rockbox folder? 01.11.12 # I checked the patch line by line... I honestle does't see where the problem is 01.11.13 # hmm... 01.11.23 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 01.11.34 # well, someone's posted about the pacman roms... 01.11.46 # linuxstb_: I tried it both ways... but after knowing what is changed and what isn't by the patch, I only need to update the .ipod 01.11.53 # the .rockbox is there too 01.12.04 # I even get a backdrop 01.12.19 # it's really really weird 01.12.21 # What if you remove the patch and try compiling? 01.12.26 # it works 01.12.37 # it works without the patch 01.12.46 # and the patch is like 8 lines long 01.12.49 # Where is the patch? 01.12.55 # and it's very straightforward 01.13.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5234 01.13.54 # it's actually a simple patch 01.16.06 # Try resetting your settings when you boot (turn on the hold switch). 01.16.44 # The patch changes the settings structure (by enabling backlight brightness) but doesn't change the settings version. 01.17.09 # This will confuse Rockbox... 01.17.32 # hmm.. is there a way I can do that by deleting a file instead? 01.17.54 # No - but you can export your current settings to a .cfg file, then reload them afterwards. 01.18.07 # no, I can't 01.18.11 # menu doesn't work :P 01.18.27 # use a cvs build to export the settings ;) 01.19.00 # what good woult that make if I can't import them on the patched version? 01.19.03 Part NewEgg 01.19.09 # you can, that's the whole point 01.19.12 # export, reset, import 01.19.23 # import happens automatically? 01.19.26 # no 01.19.30 # 'cause I can't get into the menu 01.19.38 # in the patched version 01.19.41 # guy, after you reset you will be able to 01.19.56 # I have resetted and still doesn't work 01.20.12 # I'll just try the hold 01.20.13 # :P 01.20.45 Quit juxtap () 01.21.50 # is there a way to figure out if the cpu is boosted? 01.22.01 # okay, that did the trick 01.22.14 # there should be a way of forcing a clear by deleting some file 01.22.26 # you just did 01.22.39 # but I mean by deleting the file from the PC 01.22.48 # when the iPod is connected via USB 01.22.58 # hey btw bag there is 2 gb micro sd cards out 01.23.07 # Why would that be easier? 01.23.17 # beacouse of my skin 01.23.18 # :P 01.23.27 # it cover's the hold 01.23.51 # Kronuz: file based settings are coming later 01.24.47 # amiconn: I recall you were planning to do something regarding boosting and disk access? 01.25.46 # that brightness works like a charm... :) 01.25.55 # I hope it doesn't reduce the life of my iPod :S 01.26.08 # "could continuously pwm'ing the backlight influence player lifetime?" 01.27.34 # what does pwm stands for? 01.27.34 Quit Mekrob (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.27.40 Join Mekrob [0] (n=Captain_@64-252-103-238.adsl.snet.net) 01.27.58 # pulse width modulation 01.28.31 # oh... so it's like turning on and off the led 01.28.37 # it's a led or something like that? 01.29.37 # anyone own a sansa e260? 01.30.01 # or 250 or 270 01.30.18 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 01.30.25 Quit lodesi ("Parti") 01.30.26 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 01.31.42 # petur: you find out if the cpu is boosted by checking the boost_counter variable 01.32.08 # i guess you could also look at the cpu frequency 01.32.13 # I bet it's not freely accessible? 01.32.17 # hardeep: hi there 01.32.25 # Genre9mp3: hey 01.32.30 # petur: it is 01.32.37 # petur: intended for the debug menu 01.32.48 # dangerous... 01.32.57 # hardeep: I suppose you didn't gat any PM by me... 01.33.01 # yup 01.33.12 # * Genre9mp3 wonders why... 01.33.18 # anyway... 01.33.29 # Genre9mp3: oh, yeah I did... i can't think of any reason we don't have fg/bg colors in theme settings 01.33.30 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.90.76) 01.33.37 # it's trivial to add 01.33.47 # I have a small question for thee. 01.33.59 # we just have to add this in the WPSLIS file? 01.34.08 # what's the prevent clipping in replaygain? 01.34.17 # and the script needs to be modified 01.34.51 # When I set Rockbox to show files by ID3 I see Example 1 and Example 2 among the main screen. How do I remove those? 01.35.20 # I think it's necessery at least for bmp-based wps 01.35.21 # Noah0504: you need to modify /.rockbox/tagnavi.config 01.35.32 # Kronuz: it prevents clipping in replaygain :) 01.35.38 # lol 01.35.43 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-90-83.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.36.01 # why is tag cache off ram by default? 01.36.25 # Genre9mp3: what should the defaults for iCatcher/UniCatcher be? 01.36.31 # Kronuz: some people prefer to use the ram for audio 01.36.46 # fg: 000000 bg: FFFFFF 01.36.54 # hardeep: Okay, I'll give it a look. 01.37.06 # and how can you tell it to reserve it for audio? if it's not used then it's for audio or how? 01.37.09 # hmmmm, actually, we probably don't need to modify the bg, as the wps already does that 01.37.13 # only the fg needs to be set 01.37.32 # yes..but what about the menus? 01.37.41 # anyone own a sansa e200 series mp3 player 01.37.50 # true 01.37.51 # Kronuz: I think it is 01.38.19 # If someone has white fg and black bg when he/she loads the theme he will get a nice unreadable menu screen 01.38.48 # * petur points Mekrob to the page Bagder mentioned earlier 01.38.53 # hardeep: Thanks for your help. I changed it with no problem. 01.38.55 # scroll speed is not for navegation scrolling but for the titles scrolled in the wps, right? 01.39.23 # yes 01.39.45 # maybe the better solution would be to have a WPS-specific fg/bg 01.40.00 # Generally I think that if we want a specific colour we should specify both fg/bg 01.40.07 # hardeep: exactly 01.40.26 # Mekrob: only Bagder 01.40.31 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@wbs-196-2-103-85.wbs.co.za) 01.40.32 # in the battery capacity 01.40.32 # Text based WPS don't need to specify colours, though 01.40.39 # how do you know what it's the right setting? 01.40.46 # they can if they want... 01.40.46 # markun: Paul too 01.40.56 # markun: Also Paul_The_Nerd has an e270 01.41.14 # hardeep: Yes.... 01.41.16 # Kronuz: the values should be correct unless you replaced the stock battery 01.41.33 # Kronuz: default values that is 01.41.52 # hardeep: The other we talked with linuxstb about backdrops also 01.41.57 # the other day 01.41.59 # petur, Genre9mp3: ok, thanks 01.42.18 # Would you guys believe that I've been using Rockbox for about 3 months and I just discovered the Tag Cache feature the other day? 01.42.18 # markun: but he bought one ;) 01.42.21 # haha 01.42.28 # i thought we could already specify a backdrop just for the wps 01.42.43 # hardeep: yes 01.42.52 # We discussed of making a "backdrop: " entry in the .cfg that clears the backdrop (if there is one) 01.42.53 # what does the battery change if I change the value? 01.43.12 # I mean what happens if I change the value of the battery capacity 01.43.13 # ? 01.43.33 Quit obo ("bye") 01.43.36 # Kronuz: it's only for calculating amount of battery life left... 01.43.43 # hardeep: The problem is when you already have a backdrop and then load a theme that doesn't specify one 01.43.46 # that's what I though 01.44.04 # Genre9mp3: yeah, that's been an issue for a while 01.44.07 # both iPod G5 30GB and 60GB have the same battery? 01.44.28 # Themes that are supposed to be used without a backdrop should somehow be able to clear it 01.44.58 # Kronuz: no 01.44.59 # Genre9mp3: I wonder if that problem still exists as I tried to fix it some time ago 01.45.21 # linuxstb_: then how I know I have the right one set? (capacity) 01.45.27 # petur: I think yes but, let me check 01.45.30 # petur: This is in the main menus etc, not the WPS 01.45.43 # (I think you only fixed the WPS) 01.45.47 # I did some changes for main backdrop too 01.46.00 # * petur has bad memory 01.46.04 Quit jd_ () 01.46.07 # also, I'm trying to save the configuration to a file but how do you accept the filename after you've set it? 01.46.13 # One problem is the .cfg file doesn't store the fact that the user has no backdrop. 01.46.22 # Kronuz: Long press on the centre button 01.46.49 Quit heff ("Client Exiting") 01.46.51 # petur: It doesn't clear the backdrop 01.47.00 # linuxstb_: so always clear before reading the file? 01.47.05 # You have to clear it manually 01.47.22 # petur: No, you don't want to clear every time you load a .cfg file. 01.47.28 # linuxstb_: good, thanks :) 01.47.58 # A "backdrop: " or a "backdrop: no" entry would be fine 01.48.04 # what's the chance that loading a cfg will have the same backdrop? 01.48.29 # most themes have either no backdrop or a different one 01.48.33 # I have my battery set to 1300 mAh, how is the defualt calculated? from the model of the device? it's autodetected? or what? 01.48.39 # petur: true 01.49.38 # Okay, one more question. If I just view tracks, it just shows the titles of the songs. However, if I view by albums or artists, the tracks have the track number in them. 01.49.50 # What makes the difference? 01.50.16 # the fact that you're browsing from another mode.. 01.50.37 # it's not too useful to have track numbers in track browse mode.. since you'll have a ton of 01's, 02's.. etc.. 01.50.41 # hmm http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/shop/productprofile.asp?ProductGroupID=2066 01.50.42 Quit Febs () 01.50.53 # says they have 760 mAh batteries 01.51.10 # the higher the better (lasts longer)? 01.51.13 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.51.23 # midkay: Okay, I gotcha. 01.51.44 # otherwise if you wanted a song you'd have to remember the number or look at every single one, you know? :) 01.51.53 # Kronuz: Don't worry about the battery capacity setting in Rockbox - it's only used to display a runtime estimation, and isn't properly calibrated on the ipods yet. 01.52.07 # oh, okay :) 01.53.08 # I've found most of the pages on the internet say iPod 5G video 60GB has a 760 mAh battery 01.56.56 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 01.57.53 Quit smably (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.59.58 # wow, fragmentation has a huge affect on wps bitmap loading 02.00.07 Join bk0 [0] (n=bk@cpe-24-195-202-150.nycap.res.rr.com) 02.00.19 # iCatcher load went from 27s to 7s on my archos after re-formatting 02.00.35 # What do I use to comment in a Rockbox config file? 02.00.46 # er, that's boot time with iCatcher set as default 02.00.52 # Noah0504: # 02.00.55 # Thanks. 02.00.58 # at beginning of line 02.01.46 # nice 02.01.52 # how do you make rockbox power off by "hibernating" ? 02.01.55 # is it not possible? 02.02.09 # hardeep: is there an intention to make it default? 02.02.24 # Kronuz: it is not possible to hibernate 02.02.28 # XavierGr: performance is my concern... 02.02.43 # yes performance is a serious issue 02.02.46 # if fragmentation has that much of an affect... imagine how many bugs will be reported 02.02.58 # XavierGr: why? (like apple's firmware does) 02.02.58 # 7 secnonds are tolerable but 27..... 02.03.11 # Kronuz: stupid battery waster 02.03.25 # oh, really? 02.03.26 # hmm 02.03.52 # we may want to look at making a wps with less/no bitmaps as the default 02.03.54 # Single bmp or tar packaged WPS should solve the boot issue due to fragmentation 02.04.04 # Genre9mp3: yeah, it should 02.04.20 # markun 02.04.24 # it would be nice to have a tar loader 02.04.28 # i cant pm you back 02.04.28 # but that's not going to happen pre-3.0 02.04.31 # Kronuz: Because: a) No-one has done it; b) Rockbox boots quickly, so no-one is interested in doing it. 02.05.58 # I can feel the HDD roaring very often 02.06.13 # does anyone know were i can find some sansa e260 accessories 02.06.13 # that must be one of the issues why it drains the battery faster than apple's firmware 02.06.22 # like a case and a screen protector 02.06.25 # When do you hear the HDD? 02.06.26 # Kronuz: have you set dircache to on? 02.06.36 # XavierGr: yes 02.06.55 # from time to time, while playing music 02.07.21 # When Rockbox is buffering your music... 02.07.25 # it definitely is roaring all the time 02.07.43 # don't know but it seems it's most of the time doing something on the hdd 02.07.55 # I can feel it 02.08.16 # What kind of music are you playing? 02.08.21 # mp3 02.08.26 Join smably [0] (n=smably@CPE00045ad69b08-CM0012c9a07828.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.08.27 # regular mp3 files 02.08.34 # 128kbps 02.09.17 # not sure those are disk accesses (roaring is really low) but definitely there's movement inside (I can feel it) 02.09.19 # If you go into the audio thread debug screen, you can see how Rockbox is using its buffers, and when they are being filled. 02.09.46 # There are two main buffers - the codec buffer (for storing compressed data) and the PCM buffer (uncompressed data). 02.10.42 # the lower one (codec) it's always at about 80% 02.10.58 # the other one changes too much from 20% to 80% 02.11.08 # or some times more or less 02.11.37 # And is the CPU boost percentage at 100%? 02.11.37 # don't know what that means though 02.11.45 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-169-221-57.worldnet.co.nz) 02.11.46 # nope, 90% 02.11.50 # Kronuz: what are the values next to codec: ? 02.11.51 # 91% 02.12.12 # they move too much... hard to read 02.12.20 # (probably there should be commas there :P) 02.12.23 # Kronuz: it should say X/Y 02.12.26 # what's the Y value ? 02.12.29 # that should be constant 02.12.42 # The problem could be that Rockbox is struggling with your MP3s, and doesn't have enough CPU time to completely fill the buffer. So it never powers down the hard drive. 02.13.02 # Anyone know if there is a way to force the status bar to update? 02.13.04 # But I would be surprised if that's the case with 128kbps files... 02.13.09 # bout 49,000,000 I think for the one just next to codec 02.13.48 # hmmm, are you running a version that has the 60MB buffer patch? 02.14.01 # er 64MB 02.14.15 # yep 02.14.19 # 64MB patch 02.14.38 # what's the boost ratio? 02.14.43 # it's 83% now 02.14.44 # Are you still running that backlight patch? 02.14.51 # yes 02.14.54 # the brightness 02.15.18 # but right now it's off, I'm reading the stuff with the backlight off 02.15.34 # (so I guess the brightness it's not doing anything) 02.15.43 # orly 02.15.47 # the codec buffer should go down almost to zero before it reloads... something's wrong with the version you're using 02.15.53 # if it's staying at 80% 02.16.25 # i'd recommend trying the latest cvs build, to make sure it's not a problem with the patches you're using 02.16.38 # but what's the problem? 02.16.45 # just the roaring? 02.16.58 # or how should that sound thread be working? 02.17.04 # if it's staying at 80% then it's constantly loading tracks off disk 02.17.19 # oh 02.17.21 # The buffer should get filled to 100%, then emptied to almost 0%, then filled again... 02.17.26 # the audio thread normally lets the buffer get down to < 5% or so before reloading 02.17.36 # it's at 86% 02.17.45 # the codec bar is the ammount of buffer loaded from disk? 02.17.53 # Kronuz: yes 02.17.54 # like 45/64MB ? 02.17.55 # How big is the playlist you are playing? 02.18.04 # is that where the 86% comes from? 02.18.16 # dunno.. probably about 2K MP3 02.18.19 # are you referring to the boost ratio? 02.18.27 # yes 02.18.32 # 86% boost ratio 02.18.40 # that refers to cpu boost, has nothing to do with buffer 02.18.46 # oh, ok 02.18.48 # is the progress bar decreasing ? 02.18.59 # so that's alright if it's at 86% (the boost ratio) 02.19.12 # it seems the codec bar is decreasing slowly 02.19.24 # yes 02.19.32 # but the pcm bar is crazy 02.19.37 # goes up and down 02.19.47 # That's normal. 02.20.01 # and it's only 300K in size? 02.20.45 # I thought it was 512KB. But yes, that's the approximate size. 02.21.32 # I'm not sure the drive it's roaring, but it feels like something's moving inside (barely) 02.21.38 # (most of the time) 02.22.03 # maybe moving the heads or I don't know 02.22.35 # when should it read stuff again from the hdd? 02.22.41 # No, as hardeep said, if the codec buffer is stuck at around 80%, then the disk is constantly working. Which isn't normal. 02.22.43 # when the codec bar reaches 0? 02.23.08 # nope, that one is dropping 02.23.11 # A little before 0 - so the buffer never becomes empty. 02.23.15 # it's like on 65% now 02.23.33 # (and constantly going down) 02.23.38 # (the codec buffer, that is) 02.23.59 # Then that sounds fine and your disk should be sleeping... 02.24.09 # it seems 02.24.16 # but I can feel it roaring barely 02.24.21 # (I might be crazy :P) 02.24.33 # but I'm positive I do feel some movement 02.24.45 # Try again with a clean build and see if you get the same thing. 02.24.59 # (might be my bloodstream, hehe) 02.25.29 # is there no way of knowing if the hard drive it's spinning or moving heads, or something? 02.25.32 # in the debug? 02.25.55 # is the disk icon in the statusbar showing? 02.26.25 # I have a skin don't know if it shows on that skin :S 02.26.44 # I'm using the jBlackGlass skin 02.27.06 # can you switch back to rockbox_default to test? 02.27.26 # Kronuz: that's just like teh whiote man, taking teh black man's skin 02.27.26 Quit Noah0504 ("Lost terminal") 02.31.10 # oh, the skin also has the little disk whenit's accessing the hdd 02.32.32 # while the disk icon is on the status bar it really is more noisy 02.33.11 # but I mean is there no other way of saying if the hdd is being moved insome way? 02.33.17 # other than that icon on the toolbar? 02.33.27 # what if it's just spinning? 02.33.28 # not as far as i know 02.33.51 # i think the icon turns on whenever the hard drive is on 02.33.56 # so it will show if it's spinning 02.34.11 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 02.34.11 # what about spinning? 02.34.44 # probalby the icon should be on when it's spinning 02.34.54 # I mean it must be 02.35.05 # I mean it already is that way, most likely 02.35.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.35.09 # Kronuz: use the source-code, Luke 02.35.35 # the source is strong in me? 02.35.41 # ^_^ 02.35.45 # I doubt it ;) 02.35.49 # lol 02.35.51 # me too :P 02.36.10 # actually, looks like i was wrong 02.36.40 # my disk is definitely spinning, but the icon only shows when it's seeking 02.36.51 # that's what I thought 02.36.55 Quit Kohlrabi ("Hello my name is CoolClonk .") 02.36.58 # that might be the roaring I feel 02.37.10 # it's very slight 02.37.19 # almost undetectable 02.37.20 # I did a doxygen of the whole code tree: it ended up being 206MB 02.37.23 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-58-54.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 02.37.28 # O_O 02.37.50 # not the code itself, the doxygen documentation 02.38.06 # smably: I think we should have two different kind of icons (one for seeking/accessing and one for spinning) 02.38.18 # and nothing when it's trully off 02.38.31 # so we can detect this anomalies more easily :P 02.38.35 # seems like a reasonable idea :) 02.38.38 # Kronuz: the idcon is in statusbar.c; it cals some driver fucntion 02.39.50 # lol I don't like how the apple's firmware looks anymore :P 02.39.55 # (at all) 02.39.56 # cd 02.40.00 # agh 02.40.03 # wrong window 02.40.06 # hehe 02.40.28 # then you cover the sedated gerbil with lube 02.40.35 # agh, wrong window 02.40.43 # ROTFL 02.40.51 # heh 02.42.00 # earHertz: what's the line? in statusbar.c 02.42.36 # Kronuz: got me. It's composed of a struct with the data, differnet fuictions for displaying each part, and a public driver function 02.42.56 # look at the function for the disk 02.43.02 # anyone know of a good screen protector for the e200 player 02.43.45 # Mekrob: for my ipod, I constructed a case out of the cd protectors that came witjh teh ipod cds 02.44.03 # the wps is completely skinnable, are the file and menu navigators too? 02.44.11 # Kronuz: no 02.44.15 # :( 02.44.19 # will it ever be? 02.44.28 # it sould :) 02.44.29 # The navigation is all done in gui/list.c 02.44.42 # you can put a background image on 02.44.43 # ear 02.44.45 # perhaps it could be made more skinable 02.44.50 # can you explaain this more? 02.45.10 # like for changing the status bar 02.45.15 # list/c is a general list displayer. It uses a callback function to get the data, and holds the list's state in a struct 02.45.22 # (the icons) 02.45.28 # as in the wps 02.45.47 # no im talking about the screen portector 02.45.50 # while playing you can change the battery icon, etc 02.45.51 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.45.52 # for most list functions, there are actually two fucntions: the actual function that applies teh list to one screen, and a driver that calls that function in a lopp for all screens. 02.46.01 # Mekrob: oh 02.46.05 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-82-37.tn.glocalnet.net) 02.46.24 Join saab_rider2 [0] (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.103.120) 02.46.33 # Get any see-thru plastic wrapper. Hopefully, it's already a "pocket" three sides are fused, one id open. 02.46.55 # is statusbar.c used for the "while playing" too? 02.47.02 Part pixelma 02.47.13 # Put your device inteh pocket. Use cellophane tape to wrap off unused space. Cut holes for the earrplug ansd any other io ports. 02.47.25 # Kronuz: It can be, but normally a WPS will disable the built-in statusbar and do it itself. 02.48.07 # and that can't be done in the menues, right? 02.48.15 # I think it should be possible :P 02.48.21 # would be nice 02.48.25 # anyway 02.49.45 # Not at the moment, but I'm sure it will come. 02.50.02 # if the WPS decides to draw it's own status bar, how does it get the status values? 02.50.25 # See the CustomWPS wiki page. 02.50.43 # I meant at the sourceode level 02.50.45 # Kronuz: embedde dspecial control seququences, startuing witth the percent sign, are subsyituted 02.50.58 # the wps driver has acces to the values 02.51.05 # it doesn't ge them from the statusbar.c, right? 02.51.13 # it does noty 02.51.21 # it gets them as statusbar.c gets them 02.51.28 # calling the driver functions 02.51.32 # (directly) 02.51.33 # probbaly 02.51.50 # so if we want to add the extra disk icon we would have to do so in two places 02.52.09 # Kronuz: more or less 02.52.10 # statusbar.c and the WPS somewhere.c 02.52.29 # very very interesting :) 02.53.32 # gui_statusbar_led() is that it? 02.55.33 # Kronuz: dunno. 02.55.37 # yes 02.56.13 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-160.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.57.02 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.57.34 # led_read() 02.57.41 # that's the one, I suppose 02.57.57 # a big black bird just flew across my window 02.58.23 # O_O 02.58.48 # and it was cawing "Kronuz, kronuz, kronuz" 02.58.57 # was it a raven? 02.59.01 # scary 02.59.05 # or a crow 03.00.06 # :P 03.00.09 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 03.01.34 # source code it's weird :P 03.01.58 # (if you've read it just for a few minutes total) 03.02.46 # what's the boost ratio about? 03.03.30 Quit flynux (Network is unreachable) 03.03.54 # it's nice how you can go to the previous/next track without rockbox reading the hard drive :) 03.04.00 # I like it :) 03.04.14 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.04.40 Join flynux [0] (n=flynux@2a01:38:0:0:0:0:0:1) 03.05.02 # Kronuz: boost ratio indicates how often the CPU has been boosted 03.05.18 # boosted as in the old PC's turbo? 03.05.24 # pretty much, yeah 03.05.26 # smably: not quite; it indicated how many callers have asked for boost 03.05.35 # ok :) 03.05.52 # but "what is the boost"? 03.05.53 # teh boost is turned off only after all callers have asked for it to be turned off 03.05.59 # Kronuz: the cpu speed 03.06.07 # turbo mode then? 03.06.11 # it's only on or off? 03.06.29 # please note, bossting is somewhat expensive, it takes several milliseconds for the cpu to be ready again 03.06.50 # Kronuz: on teh ipod I think tyjere may be three setitngs, not sure 03.07.00 # I see 03.07.18 # 3K mp3 files and only about 130K of Tag cache... does that sounds logical? 03.07.19 Quit gpoo (Connection reset by peer) 03.07.22 Quit Mikachu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.07.26 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 03.07.30 # it's too little doesn't it? 03.07.34 # boosting also take smore batery power. try to avoid boosting 03.07.44 # lol 03.07.56 # it must boost to play mp3, I suppose 03.08.06 # I would have thought the tag cache was bigger 03.08.32 # for me it's a good choice to keep it up on memory then, I suppose 03.08.37 # (only a couple KB) 03.09.27 # dircache info says the cache isn't initialized... 03.09.29 # why? 03.09.41 # dunno 03.09.47 # I'm pretty sure I selected it on the settings... 03.10.15 # "directory cache: on" 03.10.20 # it's on already 03.11.10 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.11.27 Quit joe2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.12.33 # "General Settings->Playback->Crossfade" vs. "Sound Settings->Crossfade" 03.12.37 # what's the difference? 03.13.07 # Kronuz: dunno. read yhe ,aminal 03.13.10 # manual 03.13.25 # Kronuz: crossfade vs. crossFEED 03.13.36 # hmm 03.13.59 # it's true 03.14.15 # i don't use it, but i believe crossfeed mixes the left and right channels a bit 03.14.20 # don't quote me on that 03.14.29 # Kronuz: crossfeed feeds a slightly delayed and attenuated copy of the left channel into the right channel and vice versa, in order to simulate speakers to your brain (since most cds are geared to be listened with a stereo, not headphones) 03.14.48 # crossfade fades between songs 03.14.55 # oh 03.14.59 # that's interesting 03.15.13 # ashridah: weird. is it effecrtive? 03.15.15 # maybe we should find a better name for crossfaded 03.15.25 # blended or something 03.15.34 # would be clearer, I belive 03.15.35 # crossfade is a very standard name 03.15.44 # oh, is it? :P 03.15.46 # crossfeed isn't afaict 03.15.58 Join webguest82 [0] (n=57078476@labb.contactor.se) 03.16.00 # crossfade I understand what it means 03.16.03 # Hi all 03.16.09 # but crossfaded was difficult 03.16.13 Nick webguest82 is now known as Ethaniel (n=57078476@labb.contactor.se) 03.16.13 # hi webguest82 03.16.19 # Kronuz: it's crossfeed 03.16.20 # feed 03.16.21 # hi Ethaniel :P 03.16.24 # I'm new here, i'm a owner of a 3g ipod 03.16.25 # :) 03.16.48 # can I ask, if someone knows, what is the status of the project for my Player? 03.17.26 # Mikachu: hehe 03.17.33 # Mikachu: just realized, my mistake 03.17.44 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 03.18.19 # crossfeed should be called blended, crossfeed... the names is too easily mistaked for crossfade 03.18.23 # nobody? 03.18.51 # my headphone amp already does crossfeed, but that's a nifty feature to have in software 03.19.09 # Kronuz: google "crossfeed" - seems to be the standard name for that effect 03.19.29 # yeah, you're probably right... I just got confused, never heard of it before 03.19.43 # or anyone in this channel owns an iPod Nano? i ordered it yesterday from apple store 03.20.17 # smably: once you read it right "cross-feed" is quite understandable 03.20.40 # Ethaniel: i don't know the specific generations of ipods, but it works reasonably well on quite a few models 03.20.44 Join yuriks [0] (n=yuriks@201-41-15-79.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) 03.20.49 # the nano is one of the better ones supported 03.20.54 # anyway to have an "iPod mode"? 03.21.18 # Kronuz: you may have a point (i was initially confused about that too) 03.21.41 # I currently own an old 3G 40gb one 03.21.48 # not supported by Rockbox 03.21.55 # Ethaniel: actual status is probably best represented by the wiki on www.rockbox.org, specifically, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus 03.22.00 # but i ordered the nano, and I'll install rockbox on it, i wanted to know how is it 03.22.06 # but it seems to suggest the 3G isn't working yet 03.22.09 # smably: I don't think I'll to be using crossfeed though... I like *crazy* left/right stereo sounds :P 03.22.19 # thank you, ashridah, i check there, also i checked there 03.22.21 # yuriks: how do you mean 'ipod mode' ? 03.22.26 # feels weird to listen :P 03.22.34 # (gets you dizy) 03.22.39 # yes yes I know it doesn't work, but if someone knows the status of the development 03.22.43 # Ethaniel: it works, but the experience is still smoother with AppleOS/iTunes :-/ 03.23.00 # Kronuz: heh :) 03.23.04 # ashridah: similar interface to the apple firmware 03.23.12 # the current one is kinda confusing >_< 03.23.12 # i think crossfeed also drains your battery a bit more quickly 03.23.14 # what do you mean, liyang? 03.23.18 # hrm, the feeling i've gotten by watching CVS is that it hasn't been progressing, but that's partly because rockbox has been in an extended feature freeze while trying to get 3.0 out the door 03.23.29 # yuriks: apart from an ipod-alike WPS, not really. 03.23.31 # smably: but it does, it does make you dizzy :) 03.23.37 # =/ 03.23.44 # I just had a killer ideia 03.23.54 # implement iTunes functionality as a FUSE filesystem 03.24.12 # where you would have an "Incoming" folder, where you put the music to install 03.24.18 # Ethaniel: you may be fiddling with it for a while before you're at all happy with the setup. 03.24.19 # anybody here have got a nano= 03.24.25 # not on the garden, of course :D 03.24.46 # and a "Songs" folder that would contain the songs that are arleady on the iPod 03.24.55 # for use with the original firmware and ipodlinux 03.24.58 # I have a video which is identical (from RockBox's PoV.) 03.24.59 # Ethaniel: there are a few ipod users who usually hang out here, this just seems to have been a bad time to catch them 03.25.21 # no problems 03.25.32 # i'll try to return 03.25.33 # :) 03.25.38 # good night boys 03.25.40 # but yeah, the ipod builds are hardly finished 03.25.43 # by any definition of the term 03.25.51 # anti-skip buffer changes the pcm size we saw in the "info->sound thread" ? 03.25.56 # but they do work on most newer models 03.26.03 # Ethaniel: and girls, and everything else inbetween. 03.26.06 Quit Ethaniel ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.27.14 # is it enough by ctivating crossfade or do I still have to modify the "Fade-In/Out Delay/Duration" for it to work? 03.27.29 # 'cause those setting are set to 0 03.27.36 # (by default) 03.27.39 # you need to set them appropriately. 03.27.54 # does that mean it isn't working if I don't set them to any value? 03.28.00 # right. 03.28.04 # 0 seconds of crossfade = no crossfade. 03.28.07 # interesting 03.28.23 # I think they should come with a better default value 03.29.14 # I understand duration, but delay is tricky to get 03.29.23 # don't bother with it then.. :) 03.29.45 # shouldn't the values be in ms? 03.29.48 # i don't think we should assume anything.. every user wants something different. 0 is a good starting point, the user should set it appropriately. 03.30.03 # but for newbies 03.30.03 # should they? 03.30.12 # just turning it on has no effect at all 03.30.29 # if a newbie doesn't understand the word "duration" they certainly shouldn't understand what crossfade is. :) 03.30.40 Nick mongey is now known as mongey|zZz (i=mongeyc@213-94-253-71.b-ras1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net) 03.30.43 # 1 exam to go :D 03.30.49 # because there's more to it than just turning it on.. like there's more to listening to music than just buying an mp3 player. 03.31.00 # it gets confusing (for new people) it would be better to have a default like 300 or 500 ms 03.31.11 # but also you can only select whole seconds atm 03.31.18 # that's intentional.. 03.31.33 # 500ms is *really* short. 03.31.45 # well, it's not that short 03.31.52 # that's the value I use in winamp 03.32.19 # * midkay shrugs 03.32.26 # i haven't tried it. 03.32.40 # but it's on the lower end... smaller duration it's just not noticable 03.33.19 # like the suggested-by-you 300ms? :) 03.33.25 # yeah 03.33.30 # but I said 300 or 500 ms 03.33.57 # meaning you suggested 300.. not only that value, but you did suggest it.. never mind. 03.34.05 # lol 03.34.32 # it was as 300 *or*, not, better make it 500 03.34.37 # ^_^ 03.36.50 # what program adds replaygain information to the tags? 03.37.03 # (like for adding that information to all my mp3) 03.37.06 # foobar200 03.37.10 # *2000 03.38.02 # hmm 03.38.06 # sounds interesting :) 03.38.14 # thanks smably :) 03.38.18 # np 03.40.56 # damn 03.41.05 # I changed something in the debug window 03.41.14 # about the cpu frequency 03.41.19 # the boost counter 03.41.33 # do I have to do something to fix it? 03.41.42 # there's nothing to fix, really.. 03.41.54 # select returns you to the standard boost-when-needed mode, iirc.. 03.42.35 # nah, Play. 03.42.44 # menu, then play. 03.43.16 # boost counter 43 03.43.21 # is there a limit? 03.43.34 # not within reason, but that's changing nothing at all, so you know. 03.43.51 # when I change it to 0 the music stops 03.44.05 # because that's 30mhz - too slow. 03.44.06 # or stops more often when I navigate the menus 03.44.23 # but I don't get what exactly boost counter means 03.44.32 # it's not significant.. 03.44.39 # just know that 0 = 30mhz, and >0 = 75mhz. 03.44.41 # so I leave it on 1? 03.44.48 # Kronuz: even at 75MHz, you'll find teh music stops. The list and lcd code is just too slow 03.45.07 # Kronuz: my lcd patch will help slightly. 03.45.17 # oh, I have your patch :) 03.45.31 # thanks, btw :) 03.45.36 # yeah, np 03.45.48 # I'll be adding some more speed ups in teh next few wekes 03.45.54 # I hope I can some day create something useful too 03.46.30 # the list code coulsd definitely be optimized 03.47.29 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-169-221-57.worldnet.co.nz) 03.47.56 # it's a linked list? 03.48.10 # it's in c, right? not c++ (the source code) 03.49.44 Quit PaulJam (".") 03.49.54 # no, no 03.50.15 # it's a gui list. it displays the menus, the tracks, any list-like data 03.52.49 # what's the proper way of rebooting the iPod? 03.53.02 # select + menu buttons for 4 seconds 03.54.58 # the weirdest thing was happening but it isn't anymore: when I rebooted the iPod I lost the configuration and settings (some of them, not all) weird 03.55.12 # this time I didn't lose anything ... don't know why 03.55.31 # Kronuz: if hold is on while booting it clears the settings 03.55.31 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.56.25 # yeah, but that wan't it 03.56.33 # it just cleared half setting 03.56.54 # or most likely corrupted the settings or something 03.57.00 # as the fonts were black 03.57.10 # but the theme was still working 03.57.25 # and someother settings were off when I set them on, etc 03.58.08 Quit smably ("real life omg") 03.59.59 # I got a basic question 04.00.47 # I installed rockbox, and I restarted into the iPod firmware, now how do I restart? I hold the Play/Pause button until it shutsdown, when when i start the iPod up again, it simply comes back into the iPod firmware again 04.01.01 # play/pause doesn't shut down 04.01.04 # you want select+menu 04.01.11 # isn't that reset though? 04.01.24 # wow, it will take me 4 hours to calculate the replaygain for my mp3 :S 04.01.44 Quit toxicaway (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.03.13 Join toxicfume [0] (n=attitude@ppp-58.8.1.109.revip2.asianet.co.th) 04.03.20 # Mikachu: sorry got disconnected 04.03.28 # Mikachu: so wasn't what you said reset? 04.03.39 # yes 04.04.24 # now that we're on mp3 collections, what's a good program to mass-edit tags, case beautify and rename files for mp3? 04.04.35 # so i have to reset, but not shutdown? or is what Apple calls "Off" (that is holding the Play/Pause button) not shutdown? 04.04.44 # apple doesn't let you shutdown at all 04.04.49 # only rockbox does 04.05.13 # hibertnate will be a good option for rockbox, I insist :P 04.05.18 # Kronuz: mp3bookhelper is complicated but vry very full-featured 04.05.29 # hmm 04.05.42 # complicated sounds nice :) 04.05.56 # most of the ones I've tried are very basic 04.06.16 # Mikachu: ohh, so when you are using the Apple firmware, and when you supposedly turn it "off", battery power is still being consumed? Is it in some kind of a standby mode? 04.06.23 # yeah 04.06.29 # Kronuz: Media Monkey is my preferred application on Windows 04.06.34 # after 24 hours or so, it will go into deep sleep mode 04.06.35 # Kronuz: great for tagging as well as playing 04.07.31 # where's the replaygain information saved? 04.07.37 # ahh okay! thanks Mikachu 04.07.41 # as id3tag? 04.10.20 # Opening more than 2000 sound files at the same time in more than 20 folders :( 04.10.30 # (MP3 Book Helper) 04.11.53 # mp3bookhelper will do it 04.12.10 # "but Mp3BH was not optimized to do so " 04.12.25 # huh? 04.12.37 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-65-71-93-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.12.40 # I have more music than that just in my iPod :P 04.12.53 # earHertz: that's from their website 04.12.58 # oh 04.13.18 # I suppose I have too many MP3 files 04.13.34 # I'll never ever be able to listen to all of them ^_^ 04.15.39 # heh 04.15.51 # I just have the entire Rush collection I ripped from CDs 04.16.00 # well, I'm missing a few CDs, but it's mostly complete 04.16.10 # and that's pretty much what I lesten to =P 04.16.16 # I have like 50K mp3 04.16.22 # (Yeah, my musical tastes aren't that broad) 04.16.24 # OMG 04.16.34 # mine neither 04.16.43 # I limit myself to a few groups 04.16.59 # but for some reason I have a big collection 04.17.09 # I'm *crazy* 04.17.58 # I guess I'm a collections maniac... I always collect stuff 04.18.17 # it's like I have OCD or something 04.18.26 # ^_^ 04.19.02 # heh 04.19.42 # what's worse, most of the titles in my collection are ordered and with well formed and correct names :S 04.20.01 # heh 04.20.18 # and most also have ID3 tags (I've spent days doing that, I'm sure) 04.20.21 # Naming music is a biatch, even musicbrainz doesn't helps that much 04.20.26 # don't even know why 04.20.39 # as I've said so, I'm mad 04.20.48 # it's like I start and can't stop 04.21.00 # (until I finish) ^_^ 04.21.12 # that's why I don't "start" anymore 04.21.22 # but now earHertz did it -_- 04.21.37 # huh? 04.21.41 # he got me started again 04.21.49 # ... 04.22.05 # I have big collections for lots of things 04.22.09 # oh, well, I don't do filesharing, and almost all my music Iis downloaded by album, not indivudually 04.23.01 # which reminds me, I'll go mad when my HDDs die (I don't have any backups O_O) 04.23.40 # what's a good way of doing backup of about 2TB of stuff? 04.25.02 # heh 04.25.03 # O_O 04.25.18 # I really shouldn't make backups... I'm getting sick, it's an illness of the mind or something. I'll never in my life have the time to "use" all that stuff, so why the hell do I have it? (it would be better if my HDDs die, maybe that cures me) 04.25.19 # tapes maybe 04.25.22 # I guess... buy 2TB worth of HDs and RAID them? 04.25.38 # yep RAID 04.25.54 # I already have them in RAID but it's stripped 04.26.03 # (not enough money for RAID5 :P) 04.26.20 # Kronuz: haha, I keep all my downloads (all the little little programs, you know), I have 6 gb of it only 04.26.37 # yeah, that too 04.26.51 # though I generally try to clean my downloads from time to time 04.26.59 # (like a good maniac does -_-) 04.27.06 # hehe 04.27.23 # Mikachu: are tapes cheap? 04.27.35 # no :P 04.27.39 # heh 04.27.39 # I've always wondered... they must be really slow tho' 04.27.47 # yeah 04.27.50 # and unreliable 04.27.54 # lol 04.28.05 # magnetic stuff (- HDs) == bad 04.28.18 # I say you wait for holodisks 04.28.25 # or at least blu-ray 04.28.33 # woohoo!! holodisks!! 04.28.50 # or data-cubes 04.29.10 # or "memory crystals" 04.30.34 Join Aditya|Nap [0] (n=aditya@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 04.30.37 # which can hold 1024PB in a single 5x1" cylinder 04.30.44 # ^_^ 04.30.51 Part Aditya|Nap 04.31.46 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.32.44 # I just hope to get to see the "fission batteries" 04.33.00 # I hate my iPod losing power so soon 04.34.31 # Kronuz: you may like this: https://gna.org/projects/tagsfs 04.34.37 # If you use linux that is =P 04.34.44 # I just don't know how well it scales XD 04.34.56 # hmm that's interesting 04.35.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.39.55 Quit ZenMasterJG (Connection timed out) 04.53.53 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.56.34 Quit Kronuz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.59.12 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.00.08 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-65-71-93-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 05.01.33 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB64C2A.ipt.aol.com) 05.04.20 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.90.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 05.17.16 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.49.11 Quit jbauman ("Leaving") 05.51.16 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.57.20 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzz") 06.06.40 Quit novimon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.08.24 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 06.10.54 Join Aditya|Nap [0] (i=user@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 06.12.43 Join novimon [0] (n=novimon@a84-230-230-239.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 06.14.53 Part Aditya|Nap 06.35.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.39.45 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-24-40.austin.res.rr.com) 06.45.07 # Evenin' folks 06.45.39 Quit xoder ("to avoid thermal overload or something") 06.48.28 Join imbrandon [0] (n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon) 06.51.26 Join smrq [0] (n=smrq@h-68-164-10-92.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net) 06.52.39 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 06.52.47 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 06.53.55 Join Paul_The_Ner1 [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-170-18.austin.res.rr.com) 06.54.04 Nick Paul_The_Ner1 is now known as Llorean (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-170-18.austin.res.rr.com) 06.54.28 # yo. 06.55.14 # * Llorean curses his neighbor's unreliable wifi. 06.55.28 # * Llorean needs to get his cable hooked up soon. 06.56.58 # haha. 06.57.04 # beggars can't be choosers. 06.57.07 # not usually at least. 06.58.08 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-084-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) 06.59.18 Join Owner [0] (i=jazzbo10@12-215-45-232.client.mchsi.com) 06.59.45 Quit MrStatic1oid ("Lost terminal") 06.59.47 Quit Owner (Client Quit) 07.00.19 Join SW|IRC [0] (i=jazzbo10@12-215-45-232.client.mchsi.com) 07.05.23 # Llorean: if it a WRT54G, install DD-WRT and incream Tx power to 251 mW :) 07.06.41 # bagawk: provided he is operating under his neighbor's permission =) 07.07.00 # scorche: ohh yes of course! 07.08.55 Join blooe [0] (n=chatzill@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3565498.sympatico.ca) 07.09.18 # midkay: you have cvs write rights, right? 07.09.25 # yes 07.10.03 # why is our compilation not set to c99? 07.10.12 # .. 07.10.21 # i'd have any idea? :) 07.10.22 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 07.10.40 # mybe I should ask B4gder 07.11.01 # woteva :) 07.11.03 Quit SW|IRC () 07.12.10 # Hey B4gder: why is our compilation not set to c99? 07.12.32 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.13.06 # I think just because we never really wanted to limit ourselves to c99 07.13.18 # and we certainly didn't from the start 07.13.43 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 07.14.16 # C99's been the standard for 6+ years, and I still can't write for( int i = 0 ;... ) in rockbox 07.14.32 # 1 - we don't like that kind of code 07.14.43 # 2 - we used to allow builds with non-c99 compilers 07.15.04 # * earHertz waits for 3 07.15.16 # :-) 07.15.29 # can't think of a number 3 07.15.37 # 3 - c99 sucks! 07.15.42 # well, I can understand , but you're implying that it's no longer operative/ 07.15.43 # ? 07.16.01 # you mean number 2? I'm not really sure actually 07.16.51 # I know some people used msvc to build the sim on windows until at least rather recently 07.16.51 Quit Llorean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.17.41 # msvc still isn't standard compliant? 07.17.45 # sheesh 07.17.53 # I have had teachers that taught writting code in c99 style and 89 style. From what I have seen 89 is a better style, keeps you in good coding habbits 07.18.32 # I consider putting the variable declarations first a good habit 07.18.38 # but c99 has a few other neatos 07.19.40 # But the standards committe wouldn't have admitted for initlalizer declarations if they thought it a bad thing 07.20.12 # and it's a good thing, because it limits the loop counter's scope to the loop 07.21.04 # as someone who learned and wrote C code loooong before C99, that kind of code hurts my eyes 07.21.41 # but yeah, I'm old and grumpy 07.22.06 # well, it's understandable to be most comfortable with what you're used to. 07.23.37 # to me, decaring the counter outside the loop implies you'll use it outside the loop 07.27.28 # since we're not using c99, how is it we have inline functions in the code? are we relying on teh gnu extensions to c89 for that? 07.29.14 # well, we are using gcc in those areas and gcc handles that well 07.30.58 # midkay: c99 doesn't suck. the standards commitee spent much time and effort on it, and the guys on teh commitee are gods among men 07.32.43 # besides, with all the code currently written being (mostly) c89 I figure it makes sense to maintain that style/level 07.33.11 Quit saab_rider2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.33.39 # earHertz, i was kidding. it was a joke. a "fake #3" if you will. 07.38.48 Join smably [0] (n=smably@CPE00045ad69b08-CM0012c9a07828.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 07.38.58 Quit hardeep (Remote closed the connection) 07.41.56 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.44.00 # * JdGordon just got his h300 anti-us'ed :D 07.44.06 # gotta c if it actually works now 07.44.24 # JdGordon: you did the internal mod? 07.44.33 # ye 07.44.41 # nice :) 07.44.44 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@69-175-94-207.frdrmd.adelphia.net) 07.44.54 # i did that a while ago, and it works pretty well 07.45.09 # don't use it often because of the transfer rate, but it's handy to have around 07.45.16 # how do u goto the connected device in the browser? 07.45.35 # hold down either record or A/B (can't remember which ATM) 07.46.35 # hold rec goes back to the menu, hold ab does nothing 07.46.47 # might be my dodgey home-made cable tho 07.46.49 # hmm... 07.46.59 # do you see a device tab? 07.47.11 # no, just host 07.47.20 # oh, then it's probably the cable 07.47.27 # normally the tab shows up as soon as you attach the device 07.48.13 # red-> red, white->white, green->green and black->black in the cable? 07.48.30 # dunno; i bought one from the iriver store 07.48.35 # ok 07.48.42 # maybe this thumbdrive doesnt work 07.48.51 # off to try the digicam 07.49.01 # the voltage is apparently below USB spec 07.49.18 # i haven't had any problems with it, but i think i read about someone on MR who did 07.51.14 # 'Apple is about to unveil the next generation of iPod, the best-selling music player in the U.S., using a "none-touch" concept, Gou said without elaborating.' 07.51.20 # http://www.chinapost.com.tw/business/detail.asp?GRP=E&id=84130 07.51.35 # i certainly wouldn't touch the ipod ;) 07.53.54 # well the mod works and the cable works, must be the flash drive and the camera.. ill keep testing things tho 07.55.34 Join finik [0] (n=clicker@adsl-69-107-112-149.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 07.56.19 # can somebody help me? what is the easiest way to show a bmp on screen from within a plugin? 07.56.38 # I dont' want to reinvent the wheel 07.57.33 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@208.110.158.11) 07.57.44 # there is a function to load a bmp isnt there? 07.58.16 # yes I foudn the one to load 07.58.28 # I am looking for a way to display it now 07.58.49 # rb->lcd_bitmap_part ? 07.59.57 # something like that 08.04.14 # thanks 08.04.22 # trying to figure out the parameters 08.05.43 Join nixternal [0] (n=nixterna@71.194.189.213) 08.05.48 # are there any mpg plugind for rockbox ? 08.05.50 # SWEET!!! 08.05.52 # mpg 08.06.05 # imbrandon: nope 08.06.10 # ;( 08.06.11 # feel free to write one 08.06.14 # hehe 08.06.22 # B4gder, dont tempt me ;) 08.06.36 # ;) 08.06.37 # * B4gder offers a cookie for imbrandon when its complete 08.06.42 # i dare you too imbrandon ;) 08.07.02 # oh well..no pr0n on your new iPod imbrandon...return it ;) 08.07.07 # lol 08.08.10 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-166-15.austin.res.rr.com) 08.08.12 # B4gder, btw we found you all by way of an interview with the founder of the linux distro we code for recomended rockbox in the last podcast ;) 08.08.23 # wo0t 08.08.40 # nice 08.08.53 # world domination next! 08.09.19 # hehe yes 08.09.26 # * Paul_The_Nerd cheers 08.09.27 # Dancing Megaman wps kills me 08.09.33 # why the heck is rebeat on by default?? 08.09.46 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 08.09.58 # B4gder, http://www.buntudot.org/2006/06/16/tllts-interviews-mark-shuttleworth/ if you wanna listen sometime, he give rockbox very good review ... and by the looks so far he's right , only played with it 10 minutes on my 4gig nano but it rocks 08.10.37 # It's quite early on the iPods still, so if you're impressed now, wait until it's at the level the iRiver ports are, or maybe even the Archos ones. 08.10.48 # ;) 08.11.10 # hmmm...maybe i will go pick up an iRiver or an ARchos just to see this 08.11.22 # is it just me, or does the link not work? =S 08.11.22 # because on my nano2g it flat out kicks a$$ 08.11.31 # Really the big differences are that you can use the EQ without playback glitches, the battery life is LONGER than stock, rather than shorter. 08.11.31 # the link does not work for me either 08.11.42 # hrm *looks* 08.13.23 # recommended file size for WPS images? 08.14.27 Join TR0N1C [0] (n=TR0N1C@c-67-183-56-123.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 08.14.44 # hello 08.15.03 # I have a 4th gen ipod w/rockbox. 08.15.06 # nixternal: It's actually a limit for total size of all WPS images, if I recall. 08.15.37 # It seems like the only way to put files on it is to boot into original (apple) firmware. Is that right? 08.15.41 # nixternal: It varies with screen size and color depth of the screen, but I don't remember the formula. 08.15.49 # what about dpi/resolution? im sure a 200x200 image probably won't fit, unless it scales it down 08.16.02 # ok Paul_The_Nerd..i will keep reading the site..and trial and error 08.16.17 # nixternal: The screen on a 5G iPod is 320x240 pixels. 220x176 on 4G iPod (Photo/Colour) 08.16.31 # oh ok...didn't even think of looking at it that way 08.16.37 # TR0N1C: Pretty much. When you plug in a USB cable it reboots into a disk mode that's part of the Apple firmware. 08.17.05 # nixternal: Images aren't scaled or transformed in any way, so all you gotta do is make 'em the right number of pixels for their purpose 08.17.17 # Ok. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. THanks 08.17.23 # good deal.. Paul_The_Nerd thank you !!! 08.17.40 # great how it's possible to work contractions of words into sentences explaining something. 08.19.14 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders if we were on some "major" news site maybe, 11 days ago, either that or 2/3 days. 08.19.30 # i guess it'd really be more of the way you would pronounce a word. 08.19.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: why's that? 08.20.09 # There seems to have been an increase in repeat-questions in the forums recently, and it feels like a new-user influx, similar in feel to the ones from Slashdot. 08.20.27 # we had a boost in visitors on june 2nd 08.20.33 # and 14th 08.20.36 # I _really_ do hate solaris when I have to use it 08.21.04 # To day I had to do this: http://leepil.dyndns.org/sunterm.jpg 08.21.26 # haha 08.21.27 Join chromoXdor [0] (n=chromo@p54BFE524.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.21.40 # you were *forced* to take a blurry shot? B-P 08.21.51 # hehe 08.22.00 # hmm 08.22.16 # i've gotten better spam these days. 08.22.37 Join ponlork [0] (i=WinNT@66-214-34-26.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com) 08.24.10 Join muesli|delhi [0] (n=muesli_t@125.23.54.109) 08.24.50 # i also get stock advice. how nice. 08.26.31 # ah, lovely. "cheeked, black-haired witch waved from next to the toaster." 08.29.29 # sharpe / B4gder sorry bout the link not working, looks like my host had some "issues" but its all worked out now it seemed , link works again 08.29.30 # i think i'll be back to helping tomorrow. 08.30.22 # you mean scorche, not me. :) 08.30.23 # imbrandon: so i see =) 08.30.41 # err scorche sorry , tab competition ;) 08.30.47 # hehe 08.33.12 # brb 08.33.17 Part imbrandon ("Konversation terminated!") 08.33.27 Join imbrandon [0] (n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon) 08.35.17 # so some newb questions if someone dosent mind indulging me, the rockbox kernel is it a linux kernel , as to say if i compile say mplayer for arm would it run as a module with minimal code changes ) 08.35.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.35.27 # ? 08.35.36 # no 08.35.41 # it isn't related to linux in any way 08.35.47 # ahh ok 08.35.50 # nor is it a fully fledged operating system 08.36.10 # is there an sdk of sorts ? if i was going to look into video playback ? 08.36.21 # it was originally coined on the archos mp3 players, which were hardware-decoder based mp3 players, archos replaced the firmware, added extra features, voice menus, plugins, etc. 08.36.30 # or a toolchain for that matter ( gcc / linker etc ) 08.36.40 # imbrandon: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 08.36.45 # imbrandon: yes, there's many a toolchain. 08.37.16 # cool thanks guys i'm sure you get questions like this 100 times a day ( i know we do over in #ubuntu / #kubuntu heheh ) 08.37.30 # imbrandon: If you're on windows, we offer a VMWare image fully set up, if you're on linux there's a handy script that'll set up most of the crosscompilers you need for you. 08.37.41 # generally it's not really about development that is asked... 08.37.46 # It's in the source archive, in the tools directory. 08.37.59 # Paul_The_Nerd, linux all the way , i'm a kubuntu developer and motu ;) 08.38.32 # imbrandon: Then check out the sources from CVS, go into the tools directory, and let it do all the work for you. ;) 08.38.34 # cool thanks 08.38.50 # I can't remember the name of it. 08.39.02 # yea if its a scipt i'm sure i can find it 08.39.05 # script* 08.39.06 # tools/rockboxdev.sh 08.39.15 # There you go. 08.39.51 # will be a change from dev'ing for linux i'm sure ;) 08.40.07 # Hehehe 08.40.12 # well, its more similar to doing kernel hacking 08.40.23 # since you're more down to the bits 08.40.30 # but if i'm right its just a normal arm proc in the ipods and the like right ? 08.40.33 # did i hear kernel hacking 08.40.38 # * nixternal gets interested 08.40.53 # imbrandon: its not a "normal" arm but yes ipods have ARM cores 08.41.00 # ahh ok 08.41.20 # I say not normal since there are no docs available 08.41.23 # exit 08.41.24 # exit 08.41.25 DBUG Enqueued KICK TR0N1C 08.41.25 # exit 08.41.33 Quit TR0N1C ("leaving") 08.41.37 # lol 08.41.44 # I'm hoping that since PP didn't just send me a straight refusal maybe they're actually considering my request though. 08.42.05 # But of course, it's also possible it just hasn't been read yet. 08.42.11 # Paul_The_Nerd: you got a response?.or not 08.42.12 # i'm betting they framed it and have a good laugh every time they walk past :) 08.42.15 # or not then ;) 08.42.25 # scorche: No response yet. 08.42.34 # ashridah: At least I'm bringing joy to a few peoples' life. 08.42.56 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp126-248.adsl.forthnet.gr) 08.47.58 # B4gder: if you havent found it yet, discussion about rockbox starts at 54:52 08.48.40 # thanks 08.49.00 # stupid newbie question: I am trying to call read_bmp_file from a plugin, and get "undefined reference..", any ideas what am I doing wrong? 08.49.10 # he calls it "linux for your ipod" though =P 08.50.02 # finik: are you pulling that from the api stucture? 08.50.40 # bagawk: I think I already got it :) 08.51.09 # scorche, I talk to him most every day , i'll make sure he knows its not ;) 08.51.17 # hehe 08.51.21 # ;) 08.51.41 # bagawk: so all the services I need, I should try to look for in rb-> first? :) 08.51.54 # B4gder: sorry, 59:52...not 54 08.52.32 # finik: humm, pretty much 08.52.46 # bagawk: thanks, I think it worked :) 08.53.05 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.53.52 # scorche, just curious is the bootload2 thats used able to boot ipodlinux , rockbox and apple firimware ? i know i'd be on my own doing so but just wondering if its been done / can be done 08.53.56 Quit sharpe ("Leaving") 08.54.20 # please excuse my typo's i'm horrable tonight 08.54.24 # imbrandon: it can actually 08.54.40 # i believe ssharpe has it currently set that way 08.54.47 Quit lancelott (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.54.50 Join lancelott [0] (n=lancelot@71-37-28-96.tukw.qwest.net) 08.54.51 # scorche, cool ok 08.54.58 # imbrandon: Were you asking about one of the alternate bootloaders? 08.55.41 # not i , actualy just thought there was bootloader and bootloader2 ( i'm very new to this, been a linux hacker for years just got my ipod today thoughand exploring ) 08.55.43 # ;) 08.56.27 # There's the official bootloader 08.56.32 # Which is just the Rockbox Bootloader 08.56.57 # yea thats what i thought was bootloader2 08.57.02 # There's also "Loader2" which is the iPodLinux bootloader. It's a little more... it has an UI for picking your OS to boot, instead of just holding down the appropriate button. 08.57.14 # ahhh 08.57.22 # that might be the way to go with tripple booting 08.57.27 # The official Rockbox bootloader can do Rockbox, AppleOS and Linux. 08.57.35 # And it's quite fast at booting 08.57.40 # yea i noticed 08.57.41 # both can support both ipl and rockbox 08.57.42 # Loader2 takes a bit longer, but gives you a menu to choose. 08.57.44 # ...yeah 08.58.00 # right 08.58.16 # loader2 is grub"ish" i assume ( as in menu etc ) 08.58.19 # not ness code 08.58.27 # Dunno, I've never used it. 08.58.50 # imbrandon: for the rockbox loader, holding nothing while booting will boot you to rockbox, holding menu > apple, holding play > ipl 08.58.51 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@pension-icom.intercom.net.ua) 08.58.56 # kk i think i'll play with it a while just to try it out, not like i cant just wipe it and reload ;) 08.59.18 # My familiarity with iPodLinux extends this far: I put it on my Nano after we got the Rockbox bootloader properly loading RetailOS just to make sure all of the triple boot functionality worked. Then I removed it. 08.59.29 # ahh scorche , yea i have rockbox and apple on there atm was looking to add ipl 08.59.55 # heheh Paul_The_Nerd ;) 09.00.28 # i'll probbly use it to play / debug mpg's as i TRY to hack something up for rb mpg support 09.00.39 # so all 3 would be nice 09.00.41 # ;) 09.01.06 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.01.23 # do most of the other players have lcd's to display a mpg ? 09.01.28 # Fair enough 09.02.10 # i'm only familiar with ipod nano and ipod video havent phisicaly seent the others 09.02.18 # All players we support except (oddly enough) the Archos Player have bitmap-lcds in either mono, grayscale, or color 09.02.37 # cool ok so MOST would be able to use it 09.02.51 # In terms of color devices: H300, X5, iPod Photo, Nano, Video. 09.02.59 # imbrandon: ipod 5g, x5, e200, iriver3xx would be the color ones 09.03.13 # Hey, no fair counting the e200 already 09.03.18 # except e200 is far from being operational 09.03.27 # yea even greyscale would be a novelty , nixternal my partner in crime has a ipod with grayscale display 09.03.48 # Paul_The_Nerd: i never win in speed, so i gotta add something you dont have ;) 09.03.52 # Our grayscale library offers I believe 33 shades on 2-bit displays on several of our players 09.03.56 # and i use the 4g nanno ( color ) 09.04.16 # scorche: Technically I have an e200. ;) 09.04.40 # Paul_The_Nerd: fine _type_ no need to get literal =P 09.04.50 # heh 09.05.05 # :-P 09.05.27 # well to all the rockbox hackers before me , great work i'm very inpressed so far 09.05.33 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.06.06 # imbrandon: also, the archos jbr can "play" video currently....but it isnt much to look at ;) 09.06.12 # Hehehe 09.06.20 # ;) 09.06.39 # scorche: hey! I have watched full movies on my jbr! 09.07.16 # ok i'm going to be afk a few trying to get the ipl to tripple boot back in a few ( hopefully not screwing much up ) 09.07.28 # bagawk: yes, but for my "reading material", i like being able to tell the difference in body parts 09.07.33 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.07.33 # * scorche whistles 09.07.39 # hahahaha 09.08.06 # scorche: :P 09.08.09 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.10.45 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 09.15.14 Join tongas [0] (n=c3063b0e@labb.contactor.se) 09.15.37 # I am trying to load bitmap with a plugin, but I get only some garbage on screen and its flickering 09.16.07 # maybe you should try looking at the album art patch 09.16.25 # bm.data=(char*)buf; 09.16.25 # rb->read_bmp_file(filename, &bm, filesize, FORMAT_NATIVE); 09.16.25 # rb->lcd_bitmap_part(bm.data, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 100, 100); 09.16.56 # maybe you can see something wrong just by looking at this? 09.17.08 Quit tongas (Client Quit) 09.17.29 # I don't know the details of any of those functions off the top of my head 09.17.33 Join tongas [0] (n=c3063b0e@labb.contactor.se) 09.17.35 # :) 09.18.23 # I think albut art and wps are not using lcd_bitmap_part, but doing something nasty 09.18.55 # finik: What is that FORMAT_NATIVE telling it to do? Is that a "what format to convert it to" or is it as I think, the format it expects the bitmap to be in? 09.18.56 # * amiconn boints finik to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/GraphicsAPI 09.19.25 # amiconn: thanks!!! 09.19.41 # finik: Just setting the stride to zero in the lcd_bitmap_part() call surely won't work correctly 09.20.14 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 09.20.25 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 09.20.48 # amiconn: what is this stride thing? stride*y+x....is this supposed to be line length? 09.21.50 # Paul_The_Nerd: I have no idea, but I try as a test just to load a backdrop, whichs is loaded the same way 09.21.52 Quit ponlork ("-=SysReset 2.53=-") 09.22.14 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@67-40-198-98.tukw.qwest.net) 09.22.35 Quit bizinichimonji ("reboot") 09.22.42 Quit midkay_ (Client Quit) 09.23.24 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-138-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.23.47 # no, it's not :) sorry 09.25.05 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@67-40-198-98.tukw.qwest.net) 09.25.14 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs 09.26.29 Quit midkay (Nick collision from services.) 09.26.30 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@67-40-198-98.tukw.qwest.net) 09.26.31 Part nixternal ("Konversation terminated!") 09.31.59 # can anybody verify if this bug is fixed, so that we can close it? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5009 09.37.19 # <_FireFly_> finik: must be set to the width of the bitmap 09.37.25 # <_FireFly_> the stride 09.38.21 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 09.41.56 # When using 1400mAh for the H300 battery for calculating currents, the average playback current without backlight perfect-matches that of the H1x0 under the same conditions and its 1300mAh battery 09.42.14 # So I'm 95% sure the stock H300 battery *is* a 1400mAh one 09.43.46 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.52.43 # well, i have the stock battery in front fo me 09.52.49 # but nothing to say what voltage it is 09.52.54 # i'll check the model number out though 09.53.43 Quit Kohlrabi ("Hello my name is CoolClonk .") 09.53.54 # chendo: mAh is not voltage ;) 09.54.05 # er 09.54.06 # yeah 09.54.10 # i meant mAh ;p 09.54.14 # hehe 09.54.21 # uh 09.54.28 # it's a 1500mAh. 09.54.35 # average 1550mAh. 09.54.58 # manufacteror(sp)'s site. 09.55.14 # http://www.skc.co.kr/skhp/en/prod/bat/03.jsp 09.55.22 # LPCS355385 09.56.12 # manufacturer 09.56.36 # amiconn, maybe you should set the default mAh on iriver targets to 1500? 10.02.14 # I assume you mean just the H300s, right? 10.02.34 # yeah 10.02.55 # well unless someone has H100 battery model 10.03.08 # The H100 is known to be 1300, I believe. Like, actually known. 10.04.00 # ah 10.04.30 # And of course, when you talk about 'iriver targets' there's also iFP-700 series. While not complete yet, it is a build target. 10.06.14 # iriver h300 targets 10.06.43 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.08.12 # chendo: The battery in my H340 has *nothing* written on it 10.08.24 # huh 10.08.28 # nothing at all? 10.08.34 # correct 10.08.38 # yours is international or US? 10.09.03 # international of course 10.10.35 # weird... 10.10.47 # maybe they changed them for batches 10.11.03 # they'd keep the mAh the same right? for advertising purposes? 10.17.06 # is there any special reason to have function read_bmp_file not to allow loading of bitmaps bigger than LCD? why should bmp loading library care about current system screen size at all? 10.17.32 # are we gonna do anything about the record button on the h300? 10.17.38 # i'd like to put it to use... 10.17.59 # like instead of using hold to show alternate info on some wpses, have the record button toggle that 10.18.13 # I'd say, short press = record screen, long press = LCD quickscreen 10.18.27 # The Hold on WPS thing is just a hack using existing WPS tags, it's not really a function of the hold button 10.18.43 # You could just as easily make it happen when the battery level reaches a certain amount, or the music is being fast forwarded. 10.18.47 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp120-144.adsl.forthnet.gr) 10.18.56 # finik: What do you need with a bmp larger than the screen? 10.19.42 Join jd_ [0] (n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos) 10.19.50 Join austriancoder [0] (n=5078751e@labb.contactor.se) 10.19.59 Join finik- [0] (n=clicker@adsl-69-107-104-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 10.20.49 # finik-: What do you need with a bmp larger than the screen? 10.21.32 # Paul_The_Nerd: I want to load a larger BMP and then to display only parts of it on screen 10.21.39 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 10.22.49 # amiconn, are the links in the wikipage on flashing outdated? Should I just link to the bootbox page for now? 10.23.55 # finik-: Using bitmap_part? 10.24.21 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes, lcd_bitmap_part 10.25.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: is there a nicer way to do it? 10.26.45 # amiconn, I can write a notification in the manual that the instructions are outdated though. Do you think I should do that? 10.27.03 # finik-: I'm pretty sure it's not limited by the height of the screen. For example the chessbox images are much longer than the screen is tall, and are used succesfully 10.28.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: Look in the read_bmp_file func, error code -5 and -6 are sanity checks for width and height respectively 10.29.12 # funny thing also is the function doesn't fail on error code -7 despite the fact I am giving a smaller buffer than I should :) 10.30.10 # finik-: Well, check how Chessbox works then, because it clearly uses them. 10.30.34 # I'll, thanks 10.31.15 # It may be that the author is going around it somehow, but it gets by some way or other. ;) 10.31.43 # by the way, did anybody port libpng? I think I saw somebody was working on png viewer on mailing list or forum, but I can't find it in the code 10.31.50 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-175-52.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.33.25 # Paul_The_Nerd, so the flash images are the ones located in the BootBox page in the wiki? 10.34.05 # tucoz: Those are the ones you use, yup. They get rid of the original Archos in-flash firmware though, if I understand correctly. 10.34.18 # finik, Paul_The_Nerd: Chessbox's bitmaps are linked into Chessbox at compile-time, not loaded via the read_bmp_file() function. 10.34.30 # linuxstb: Aaaah, that would explain it. 10.34.32 # finik-: I don't think anyone did any libpng work 10.35.04 # hmm, ok. So, a notification on top of the flashing rockbox section is necessary. 10.35.08 # finik: I can't think of a reason why you can't remove those checks from read_bmp_file(), as long as some sanity checks remain. 10.35.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.35.34 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd256.f.strato-dslnet.de) 10.35.55 # linuxstb: I already found the array of checkbox :) thanks 10.36.10 Quit finik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.36.49 Quit chromoXdor (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.37.17 # linuxstb: yes, I think these 2 sanity checks do not make any sense here :) I removed them for now on my local perforce, don't know yet what is the policy for submitting such changes to your CVS 10.37.54 # finik-: make a patch and submit it to the tracker 10.38.48 # then annoy devs with it here until it gets committed ;) 10.39.19 # :) 10.40.11 # Always remember: When annoying devs to get committed, I am not one of them. 10.40.20 # rofl 10.40.35 # by the way, who is holding the main switch here? 10.40.36 # Paul_The_Nerd tries. 10.40.46 Join menollo [0] (n=53740bec@labb.contactor.se) 10.40.59 # and remember, annoying devs are better done when you send over a handful of beers first 10.41.07 # :-) 10.41.09 # for all other purposes you *can* annoy Paul_The_Nerd :p 10.41.27 # You can *try* to annoy me. 10.41.52 # * petur looks but finds no reason 10.42.07 # Also, be careful on your beer choices. A wrong move can greatly harm your chances. 10.42.32 # :) 10.43.11 # hehe 10.43.34 # and perpaps most importantly, we don't count in US pint sizes we want imperial 10.43.35 # so that rules out Heineken :D 10.44.50 # this is too complicated, I think somebody should put all this on a wiki page 10.45.02 # under the "For developers" 10.45.16 # sorry, but we haven't gotten that much beers yet to do that 10.45.22 # :-P 10.45.36 # B4gder: so now you know why :) 10.46.31 Join dpr0 [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 10.48.00 # uuu, I didn't realize it is so difficult to write software without jtag and debugger 10.51.47 # You can use the UI simulator and gdb 10.52.45 # is WAV playback supposed to be gapless? 10.53.10 # B4gder, I have tried to get Rockbox running on the X5. Although it compiles fine, it looks like it stops loading after the e.g. [SUPER MARIO] splash. 10.53.47 # after Karls commit, shoudn't this be fairly easy to get running? (I use the sim btw) 10.54.12 # petur: Yes. 10.54.19 # Rockboy 10.54.22 # petur: Are you saying it isn't? 10.54.29 # no 10.54.42 # linuxstb: I am using UI sim, I used gdb last time 6 years ago and hated it, is it any better now? 10.54.51 # No idea, I don't use it. 10.55.21 # I'm listening to the result of my recording marathon (12h), and just noticed it didn't sound 100% ok when moving to the next file 10.55.29 # B4gder, nevermind. It maybe isn't that straigtforward after all. :) I'll see what I can do later on. 10.55.41 # could be the recording too, will have to check at home tonight 10.57.51 # finik-: gdb is the king as it was 6 years ago ;-) 11.00.03 Quit imbrandon (Remote closed the connection) 11.06.30 Quit darkless_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.07.45 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.07.52 Join Paul_The_Ner1 [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-170-18.austin.res.rr.com) 11.08.22 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Nick collision from services.) 11.08.30 Nick Paul_The_Ner1 is now known as Paul_The_Nerd (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-170-18.austin.res.rr.com) 11.16.17 # Anyone know if the vmware player can access disk partitions directly? e.g. to allow Linux running in vmware player for Windows to access ext2/ext3 partitions? 11.16.46 # yeah, it can 11.18.12 # Thanks. Anyone have a suggestion for a Debian Unstable image for use in the player? (one more full-featured than the Rockbox development image). 11.19.04 # can't suggest one that'll work with vmware, unfortunately. 11.19.15 # use colinux 11.19.22 # there are some for colinux, etc, however 11.20.07 # I haven't seen a Linux installation that doesn't work in vmware so far. 11.20.35 Quit bk0 (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.20.35 NSplit brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.20.35 Quit hannesd (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.20.35 Quit preglow (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.20.35 Quit Quarryman (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.20.37 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 11.21.14 # ravon: it's more the image he's after. 11.21.39 NHeal brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.21.39 NJoin hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 11.22.05 # ashridah: ah, oki 11.22.32 # linuxstb: gsx server is free, it lets you create images andall that 11.23.01 # what configure options do i need to use to be able to use the sim in gdb? or will the regular sim build work? 11.23.42 # aparently the reuglr sim build is fine 11.24.09 # Mikachu: I'll have a look... I've now got too many options :( 11.24.25 NJoin bk0 [0] (n=bk@cpe-24-195-202-150.nycap.res.rr.com) 11.24.30 # i can take it back if you want 11.25.41 Join Paul_The_Ner1 [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-166-15.austin.res.rr.com) 11.26.27 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cb053b01@labb.contactor.se) 11.27.07 # petur: the 2gb split was seamless when I tested it a couple of months back... 11.27.34 Join saa[b_r]ider [0] (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.106.158) 11.28.42 # anyone know a good gdb frontend? 11.29.11 # emacs! 11.29.16 # whatboutbob: well it doesn't sound right here, will try to find out tonight. It seems to me some samples went missing but it's difficult to say by just hearing it 11.29.21 Part whatboutbob 11.31.06 # JdGordon, ddd? 11.31.13 # tucoz: Yes the links are outdated, as I took the old flash images down on purposes. Bootbox is now the only supported method 11.31.20 # tucoz: just installed it, trying to figure it out 11.31.29 # and there's xxgdb too 11.32.16 # amiconn, ok. I just added a couple of notes in those instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/advanced_topics/archos-flashing.tex.diff?r1=1.4&r2=1.5 11.37.19 # :'( i cant figure out why my changes are killing the sim 11.37.24 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.39.37 # somehow sim_open() is getting NULL for name... but my changes go no where near that :'( 11.40.06 Quit Paul_The_Ner1 ("Leaving.") 11.42.55 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.44.30 # umm.. playlist.c line 253.. isnt that a naughty bug? ... if (!file) { file = ""; .... isnt that trying to write to NULL which is bad? 11.45.24 # no 11.45.31 # *file = would be 11.46.08 # whats the file = "" for then? 11.46.51 # assigns it the address of an empty char array (string) 11.47.06 # * petur hasn't looked at the code at all 11.47.18 # oh ok.. looks wierd to me 11.47.37 # It isn't weird at all 11.48.47 # no, i get it.. just hadnt done that before.. looks odd the first time 11.48.50 # ignore me.... 11.49.31 # it becomes a bug if 'file' is a global var because the address of "" becomes invalid outside the function (again - without checking the code) 11.50.40 # file is in the funstion args, so shuoldnt become a problem there 11.51.57 # petur: The address of a string doesn't become invalid outside the function 11.52.40 # They're static, and included in rodata.str1.x 11.52.44 # oh it's a const 11.52.50 # right, my bad 11.52.54 # (x = 1 or 4, depending on target) 11.53.19 # another newbie question, how can I compile only the plugin I am working on? for some reason when I just do make, it recompiles bunch of other staff altough it has not changed 11.53.39 # petur: A variable just declared 'const' within a function *will* become invalid outside the function. A string literal won't 11.53.50 # yes I know 11.54.04 # just using the wrong words ;) 11.54.08 # The string literal behaves like 'static const' 12.06.46 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 12.10.57 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.14.11 # is anyone bored and willing to have a look at a patch and see if you can figure out why its crashing for me? im stumped 12.24.02 # grrrr.. this is so unfair.. the damn patch works cept it crashes for some unknown reason well after its finished in my added code :'( 12.28.30 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.28.30 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.28.32 Nick ashridah is now known as Lost-ash (i=ashridah@220-253-120-160.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.35.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.48.06 Quit muesli|delhi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.48.19 Join muesli|delhi [0] (n=muesli_t@125.23.59.117) 12.51.39 Join chromoXdor [0] (n=chromo@p54BFE24D.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.52.08 # i dunno if im right here 12.52.22 # but is it possible to use the h300 as an external hd wich is ONLY power by USB?? 12.54.21 # oh crap! i got it working :D 12.54.26 # so that the battery doesnt need to be recharged or discharge ervery time iconnect it with my computer 12.55.33 # * JdGordon doesnt know 12.55.57 # no, the battery does need to be charged to use it 12.56.27 # ive had it disconnect when the battery got too low, and i assume it wont connect at all if there is no power from the batt 12.56.51 # Quote from dapreview: "Ever since Apple released the iPod, people have tried to label players such as the iRiver IHP-120 as an iPod killer. Fact is, players like the IHP-120 are far too complex and, quite frankly, nerdy for the majority of the population. What most people want is a fashion symbol that also has seamless integration with music stores. Words like ogg and gapless are completely foreign to most consumers." 12.57.08 # LOL 12.57.55 # haha, but unfortuantly true to some extent 12.58.00 Quit jd_ (Nick collision from services.) 12.58.04 Join jd__ [0] (n=jd@APuteaux-151-1-52-178.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.58.24 # Yes...unfortunately the statement it's true 12.59.14 Nick jd__ is now known as jd_ (n=jd@APuteaux-151-1-52-178.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.59.33 # But I cannot understand why someone needs a "fashion symbol" to listen to his music 12.59.56 # But well...the world isn't perfect after all.. 12.59.57 # because the vast majority of ppl are idiot lemmings 13.00.10 # I can agree with the nerd factor, but why people doesn't care about gaps between their tracks is a mystery 13.00.14 # lemmings? hehe 13.00.36 # re gaps, most cds put gaps in the tracks, which is why people dont care, they arnt used to it 13.01.21 # Sure, but there are lots of albums where there shouldn't be gaps. I've heard the multi-million selling pink floyd albums sometimes should be gapless 13.02.14 # Yes...also same goes for live albums 13.02.25 # that also 13.02.53 # crowd cheers --- click ---- silence ---click --- crowd cheers 13.03.49 # Or worse if the tracks segue into each other. 13.03.50 # pretty annoying... 13.04.59 # but not a selling point as far as ipod goes 13.05.08 Nick dpr0 is now known as dpro (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 13.05.14 # pink floyd and live recordings are the ones i always hear about when gapless comes up :D 13.06.16 # wwwoooooo 13.06.25 # * JdGordon finally has jump to random folder working :D 13.06.46 Part chromoXdor 13.07.14 # JdGordon: You made a random folder patch? 13.07.21 # yup 13.07.27 # nice 13.07.31 # now we have two random folder patches 13.07.37 # :) 13.07.46 # 1 is insert the tree randomly, and one is jump to random folder when ths folder finishes 13.08.00 # just cleaning it up so i can put it on fs 13.08.15 # JdGordon, what device you got? 13.08.20 # h300 13.08.35 # oh 13.08.43 Nick jd_ is now known as jd_miam (n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos) 13.08.52 # How do you find the directory to move to? 13.09.03 # Genre9mp3: are you using a patched build on your H300? 13.09.45 # linuxstb: grab the plugin buffer, traverse the tree and add them to the buffer, then pick a random one from the list 13.09.58 # or just a clean daily build 13.10.59 # saa[b_r]ider: Currently I use a patched build but I made the battery benchmark using a CVS build 13.11.17 # JdGordon: So you don't use the dircache? 13.11.45 # doesnt the tree_context use it automatically if its on? 13.11.53 # Genre9mp3: do you intend to do a test with your current build as well? 13.13.59 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.14.13 # saa[b_r]ider: I don't use an experimental one... 13.15.51 Quit Poka64 ("back to work") 13.17.33 # Genre9mp3: you don't necesseraly need to use a build available on MR to test it.... what patches do you have implemented to your build? 13.20.38 # JdGordon: Yes, but I was thinking that maybe the internal dircache structures could be used (when available) instead of copying the information to the plugin buffer. But how fast is your scan with dircache enabled? 13.21.59 # just copyed it onto the dap, without dircache on its painfully slow (as expected) 13.22.23 # took, maybe 0.5s with dircache on 13.22.53 # What happens if you skip to a folder with no music? 13.23.16 # it looks over the data untill it finds one with music 13.23.27 # i tried getting it to check when it reads the folder, but ti wasnt working 13.23.35 Quit idnar_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.23.47 # ill put the pacth online in a sec 13.24.03 # So it chooses a random folder, checks if there is music in that folder, and then if not it tries again? 13.24.35 # But it sounds like the kind of patch I would use to play albums randomly. 13.24.38 # saa[b_r]ider: Album art/Scrolling margins/EQ WPS tags/Backlight filter/List titles/Record button use in WPS/MOD & SID codec 13.24.59 # ye, it keeps looping over the folder list, it doesnt rebuild it every time. 13.25.12 # it could actually be done better, but for the moment its god enough 13.26.33 # http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/dump/random_folder.diff is the patch if your interested 13.26.46 # Only problem I can think of is that it may not work well on the Archos devices (32KB plugin buffer) and as you say, on devices without dircache enabled. 13.26.50 # i forgot to change the strings to be translatable so its not on fss yet 13.27.03 # I don't have time to look now, but I'm definitely curious to try it. 13.28.31 # amiconn, around? 13.28.32 # the archos could be a problem. but it makes sure not to overrun the buffer, and ignores any folder starting with the . which saves a bit of space 13.28.37 # Is there any compelling reason to have dircache turned off? 13.28.50 # ye, on flash players which dont need it 13.30.42 # aliask: I always have dircache off. I don't like it 13.30.43 # linuxstb: if it cant get the plugin buffer should i fall back to the next folder? 13.31.19 # amiconn: On your archos, or iriver? 13.32.07 # and do u use tagcache instead? 13.32.21 # * JdGordon finds everything too slow without dc on 13.32.25 # On all targets where it's available. On archos, dirache isn't available, for RAM reasons 13.32.45 # JdGordon: I'm exactly the same. 13.33.09 Join darkless_ [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 13.33.11 # What reason do you have for not using it amiconn? RAM usage? 13.33.11 # JdGordon: I do casually use tagcache, but mostly filebrowser mode 13.33.26 # you must be pretty patient then? 13.33.33 # No I'm not 13.33.40 # (patient) 13.34.12 # amiconn, i am quite sure you know this, but when zooming out mandelbrot 11 times, weird things start to happen 13.34.23 # But browsing w/o dirache just needs one spinup when I start browsing. That's a fair tradeoff for not wasting RAM 13.34.46 # tucoz: Yes, the fixed point maths overflow when you zoom out too far 13.35.12 # It produces weird looking images, but shouldn't crash 13.35.14 # that was my guess as well. but, i managed to get a freeze by zooming in and out. 13.36.16 # Really? I never got madelbrot to freeze... 13.36.22 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-120-160.VIC.netspace.net.au) 13.37.02 # it could be that i was a bit un-patient, but it didnt respond for maybe 20 seconds 13.38.22 # it can take a while for some views 13.39.10 # How much difference to battery life does the lcd brightness make? 13.39.18 # the asm optimations are pretty impressive though :) 13.40.40 # aliask: What target? 13.40.47 # H300 13.44.42 # Full-brightness backlight cuts down runtime a lot 13.45.19 # I got 20:26 with no backlight, and 09:26 with full backlight, all other conditions identical (192kbps mp3, disk poweroff enabled, stock battery) 13.45.47 # I was just thinking of say runing the brightness at 7 instead of 9, and was just wondering how much difference it'd actually make. 13.45.57 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-117-156.dsl.pipex.com) 13.47.05 # * petur finds brightness 5 more than enough 13.47.09 # I'm also considering creating a patch for having the backlight go to an intermediate low light before completely switching off, and I'm interested in how much power that'll end up using. 13.47.25 # I'll do measurements with various brightnesses (brightness=8 currently running; brightness=2 next) 13.47.35 # petur: Even in sunlight? 13.47.40 # ok, patch is on flyspray # 2808 13.48.12 # * petur avoids direct strong sunlight :) 13.48.26 # * petur creeps back under his rock 13.49.42 # :) 13.50.49 # the only time I've turned up brightness was when I used it as a flashlight to find something 13.51.24 Join jd_ [0] (n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos) 13.51.29 # petur: LOL 13.52.10 # * amiconn also normally uses brightness=5 13.52.26 # In sunlight it's necessary to turn it up a bit 13.53.31 Join ripnetuk [0] (n=george@host-87-74-125-82.bulldogdsl.com) 13.53.36 Part ripnetuk 13.56.11 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.10.76) 13.56.43 # hi 13.57.04 Join Redbreva [0] (n=c1713011@labb.contactor.se) 13.57.07 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-138-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.59.49 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 13.59.50 # who wants to swap their H320 for an ipod 5g? :] 14.00.11 # not me :) 14.00.11 # * JdGordon 14.00.20 # maybe... 14.00.44 Quit Redbreva (Client Quit) 14.00.56 # lol, you serious? 14.01.50 # yes I am 14.01.54 Quit jd_miam (No route to host) 14.02.02 # hahaha 14.02.40 # actually I have an H340 14.03.14 # i want one 14.03.24 # what a stupid error to buy an ipod 14.04.07 # juxtap: id consider swapping.. the 20gb hdd is too small and damn the 5g is thin 14.04.36 # juxtap: At least rockbox is on iPod now... 14.04.42 # thin and fragile :p 14.04.54 # amen Genre9mp3 14.05.31 # how much $ is the H340 compared to the H320? 14.06.20 # an extra AUD$50ish 14.06.31 # although u cant buy either of them new anymore 14.06.48 # why not? 14.06.56 # iriver dont make em anymore 14.07.08 # * Genre9mp3 wonders if he is the only one here that finds the iPods too thin for his taste 14.07.22 # no such thing as too thin 14.07.29 # unless you go anorixic thin... 14.07.31 # why do you want a thick player? 14.07.34 # juxtap: You can find them in ebay though 14.07.51 # ah 14.07.52 # B4gder: Not thick, but a solid one 14.08.06 # why'd they stop making them? :/ 14.08.06 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 14.08.12 # coz they are idiots! 14.08.37 # personally, I don't think h3x0 feels any more solid than ipod 5g 14.08.51 # it feels fatter, thats about it 14.09.29 # eheheh 14.09.38 # isn't the iriver plastic? 14.09.38 # I must admit I would prefer the H340 to be thiner, but I think it suits to my hands better than the iPods 14.09.51 # i havtn had much of a play with rb on the 5g, but the few min i did play it felt wierd, buttons all felt wrong 14.09.56 # (they still advertise h300 series on the website) 14.09.56 # juxtap: yup 14.12.51 # B4gder: What daps are you using? besides your beloved one Sansa :) 14.12.58 # does the rec button do anything anywhere in the core? (short and long presses)? 14.13.09 # iaudio x5 and iriver h140 14.13.40 # X5 or X5L? 14.13.49 # plain X5 20GB 14.13.54 # ok 14.17.45 # "Hon Hai Precision Industry may be the biggest company you never heard of." 14.18.04 # 160000 employees 14.18.20 # B4gder: BTW, What's X5's battery life with Rockbox? 14.18.28 # Genre9mp3: crap 14.19.20 # B4gder: and do you know why it's so bad? 14.19.40 # Maybe a similar problem with what the H300 had 14.19.40 # ? 14.19.44 # we have some theories, and I believe the generic i2c driver is one of them 14.20.02 # no one really worked on the problem 14.23.59 # Is the H300 power consumption issue fixed? 14.24.05 # yes 14.24.10 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@212.204.41.115) 14.24.12 # nice 14.24.24 # was the usbotg thing really the cause? 14.24.31 # yeps 14.25.00 # so now at least we know the run-time we'll get with usb otg enabled! ;-) 14.25.20 # hehe 14.25.25 # it doesnt need to be on unless is actually being used tho? 14.25.34 # right 14.25.36 # i can't just be enabled for the time it's going to be used? 14.26.00 # Lynx_: it can, but right now it's never used 14.26.03 # B4gder: I suppose that we can ....hehe I was about to ask the same thing 14.26.43 # markun: ok 14.26.55 # Genre9mp3: I don't think the 5g is too thin (I prefer thin & light equipment), but I wouldn't buy an ipod (except mini) for another reason - they're far too susceptible to scratches 14.27.05 Quit Mekrob (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.27.45 # amiconn: I guess this is a subjective thin(g) ;) 14.28.40 # Also, if you prefer to have standard connections (incl. line in for recording), built-in radio etc, the ipods are out of question 14.29.33 # And tactile feedback for scrolling 14.29.57 Join Mekrob [0] (n=Captain_@64-252-103-238.adsl.snet.net) 14.30.13 # you mean the feedback you can only use if you can hear the miniature speaker they embedded under the pad? :) 14.30.26 # feedback is meh, but the connections are good to have 14.30.37 # speaking of those features: I'm looking for a rockboxable target with big screen and radio. Bad luck I think 14.30.53 # juxtap: why do you consider it would be a stupid error to buy an ipod ?! 14.31.02 # i regularly use line in from my foxtel set top box, while recording digital radio 14.31.23 # petur: You already have that. It's the H300 14.31.32 # pity the radio on the iriver itself is flakey due to a substandard crystal or someting 14.31.35 # thing 14.31.50 # juxtap: you say you want an iriver H340... 14.32.05 # i'm gonna sell mine... 14.32.16 # ... for an ipod 5G ! 14.33.27 # amiconn: looking for a bigger screen. It's for my father and big screen + large font will avoid him putting on his glasses all the time 14.33.36 # (and don't mention voice) 14.33.41 Quit menollo ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.34.14 # Whenever I use an iPod, I get really frustrated because I can never select what I want. I sit there scrolling back over and over the same item going one too far every time. 14.34.36 # petur: The H300 with e.g. Helvetica/24 is readable from several meters distance... 14.35.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.36.56 # 1 letter at a time... 14.37.03 # Nope 14.37.24 # 11 lines w/o status bar, 10 lines with status bar 14.38.19 # coffee... :D 14.38.39 # bread~ 14.38.54 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-12-200.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.44.02 # Is there a reason backlight fading isn't on the H300? 14.44.45 # yes, hw restrictions 14.45.53 # it's using EL backlighting? 14.46.04 # I thought it was just a matter of setting the brightness quickly. 14.46.15 # No, but it can only do a few discrete steps of brightness 14.46.20 # aliask: on the H1xx it's done using pulse width modulation 14.46.34 # which averages out to fade in or out 14.46.43 # well. out. 14.46.44 # ..and the pwm is done in hardware; the backlight isn't directly switched by a port pin 14.46.55 # Ah ok. 14.48.46 Join hardkaare [0] (n=siineeh@83.72.1.154.ip.tele2adsl.dk) 14.48.51 # Hi there 14.49.26 # Im trying to compile the ipod_fw.c in ubuntu 6.0.6 withc gcc-4.4 but gives me a lot of errors 14.49.36 # I have tryed with gcc-3.3 too 14.49.58 # getting something like this incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘fprintf’ 14.50.25 # and this is what im trying to do: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘fprintf’ 14.50.28 # i was getting the same problems 14.50.30 # 4.4!? 14.50.32 # gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c 14.50.36 # 4.0 14.51.06 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd256.f.strato-dslnet.de) 14.51.13 # 4.03 14.51.24 # implicit declaration is a warning, not an error 14.51.49 # B4gder, yes but there is no exe file, after the compiler has run 14.52.19 # I did it this very minute with gcc 4.0.4 just fine 14.52.23 # B4gder: 'implicit declaration' is a warning. 'incompatible implicit declaration' is probably an error 14.53.13 Quit smrq (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.53.34 Join smrq [0] (n=smrq@h-68-164-10-92.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net) 14.53.40 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.53.48 # same command 14.53.49 Quit smrq (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.53.56 # B4gder, ? 14.53.59 # yes 14.54.03 Join smrq [0] (n=smrq@h-68-164-10-92.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net) 14.54.23 # I copied your line from above 14.54.28 # do you guys know a tool to compress and/or decompress parts of a pdf file? 14.55.49 # tongas, well i've never actually held an iriver device, but the pictures and specs look really cool 14.56.08 # i like my ipod. but i'd prefer to have line-in and fm radio and stuff 14.56.16 # B4gder, hmm, could you sent me the file, so I dont have too use time finding out why i can't compile it 14.56.41 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/ipod_fw 14.57.13 # built on a Debian unstable 14.58.04 # B4gder, oki im in ubuntu dapper drake 14.58.15 Nick lostlogi1 is now known as lostlogic (n=lostlogi@temporal.lostlogicx.com) 14.58.17 Quit mongey|zZz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.00.10 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.01.25 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 15.02.54 Quit idnar (Client Quit) 15.03.06 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.05.24 # anyone know of a reliable sansa e200 case 15.06.10 Join ryran [0] (n=ryran@rrcs-70-60-124-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com) 15.06.36 # buenas dias everybody 15.06.54 # 'cept I guess most of you are in zeh eu, so... not so much morning for ya 15.07.03 # ah well 15.08.34 # heh. it's like 11pm here. 15.08.39 # buy its still 'dia' ;-) 15.08.43 # * ashridah pats his sunburnt country. 15.08.56 # rooight 15.09.22 # * B4gder experiences a slight case of afternoon coma 15.10.09 # * Lynx_ experiences a severe case of monday coma 15.10.16 # ugh. monday. 15.10.28 # just kill me now. 15.10.29 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.10.32 # * petur experiences a slight case of summer coma 15.10.58 # we need a coma comparison page 15.11.05 # i checked on ebay, not a single H340 to sell, all over the world... 15.11.18 # not true 15.11.23 # ryran: I think dia is masculine 15.11.26 # so no one has a snsa e200 series or a cas for it 15.11.27 # damn chinese 15.11.41 # Jungti1234: what did they do this time? 15.11.47 # markun: uhh..no. :P 15.11.50 # I'm angry... 15.11.51 # I wouldn't want a case for my sansa 15.11.54 # markun 15.11.58 # Mekrob: hi 15.12.04 # you messages me about my projects 15.12.09 # yes 15.12.11 # what do you mean 15.12.41 # * JdGordon experinces a slight case of 11pm coma 15.12.55 # * JdGordon missed the boat on that one.. 15.13.42 # does the lcd remote drain the h300 battery much? 15.13.48 # * Genre9mp3 joins the coma experience with a slight case of hot coma (34°C currently) 15.14.08 # what's the difference between iaudio X5L and X5V? 15.14.21 # the L has a larger battery 15.14.24 # the V has no radio 15.14.58 # did they remove the chip or just disable it in fw? 15.15.17 # Jungti1234: hahaha... remember that I'm in china 15.15.19 # we don't know, haven't seen any x5v scans 15.16.22 Join smrq_ [0] (n=smrq@h-68-164-11-241.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net) 15.16.22 # ryran: I'm sure it is :) 15.16.25 # fbqefewjfhwfwek 15.16.58 # I can't understand chinese. 15.17.13 # and I can't understand iriver madmen. 15.17.55 # Jungti1234: did they make a new decision about iRiver products? 15.18.27 # They do me to get angry. suddenly, abusive to me. 15.18.45 # They attack me. 15.18.47 # Mekrob: do you get my private messages? 15.18.58 # WHY? 'They went mad.' 15.19.25 # saab: no 15.19.34 # Jungti1234: they physically attacked you? 15.19.59 # physically? 15.20.12 # By speech. 15.20.30 # hey. 15.20.38 # Rockbox support gigabeat. no? 15.20.49 # not yet 15.20.57 # but markun is on the case!! 15.20.57 # um.. 15.21.00 # can I view movies and fotos with rockbox (have a ipod video 60g) 15.21.07 # fotoz yes 15.21.34 # hardkaare: if you want to play movies you can dual boot to apple's firmware for now 15.21.34 # movies no 15.21.36 # markun: I see you're right. how come alllllllllll these years no one's ever told me I should be saying buenos? I have enough spanish-speaking friends. sheesh. 15.22.05 # ryran: also "los planetas" and "la mano" 15.22.14 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 15.23.07 # ryran: I don't speak spanish very well, but I've heared buanos dias so many times that it looked a bit strange when you typed it wrong 15.23.21 # too funny. 15.24.39 Quit darkless_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.25.40 # oki so how do I watch foto's? 15.26.29 # you could say bueno dia 15.26.57 # right? 15.26.59 # saa[b_r]ider, does that work? hehe 15.28.07 # hardkaare: browse the directories and go to the image you want to view, and just click on it 15.28.31 # hmm cool 15.28.39 Join menollo [0] (n=53740bec@labb.contactor.se) 15.29.07 # make sure that the "show files" is set to "supported" or "all" 15.29.24 # oki 15.29.30 # thx a lot guy's 15.29.37 # so you could actually find the images.. 15.33.32 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 15.33.40 Quit menollo ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.34.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.36.06 Quit smrq (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.41.36 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.42.19 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 15.46.05 # does moving files around disable dircache? 15.47.16 # markun you there? 15.47.45 Quit hardkaare ("Leaving") 15.47.53 # yes 15.48.03 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p50818B4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.48.07 # Atmel ATmega88 8-bit microcontroller 15.48.10 # what's that? 15.48.40 # LCD name is....? 15.48.52 # Jungti1234: a small cpu+flash+ram in one chip 15.49.07 # :-O 15.49.16 # good.. 15.49.27 # "High Performance, Low Power AVR® 8-Bit Microcontroller" 15.49.42 # * linuxstb thinks B4gder asked google 15.49.59 # I call him dr Google 15.50.03 # hehehe 15.51.07 Join under_score [0] (n=sl0t@host86-128-242-151.range86-128.btcentralplus.com) 15.51.21 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2992.JPG 15.51.32 # LCD name is..? 15.52.18 # Jungti1234: I will have to look it up again 15.52.29 # very similar to the h300 marking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents/h300-lcd-markings.jpg 15.52.47 # yes.. 15.52.58 # markun: where? 15.53.03 # http://www.varitronix.com/ 15.53.37 # umm 15.53.38 # I think it's COG-T150MHG-03 15.54.03 # Look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioX5HardwareComponents#LCD_Varitronix_COG_T180MLH 15.54.09 # are you sure? 15.54.33 # It's the only 128x128 with 1.5" 15.54.45 # COG-T150MHG-03... 15.54.46 # ok 15.54.47 # And the logo is the same as the Varitronix of the X5 15.55.07 # night all 15.55.15 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 15.55.50 # you can try emailing them with the picture and ask 15.56.23 # yep 15.56.40 # what's the screen's resolution? 15.56.41 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2989.JPG 15.56.44 # What's that? 15.56.55 # number of pixels width x height 15.57.05 # 128x128 15.57.20 # MAL CIRRUS 42L51C BD0547? 15.58.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info 15.58.07 # the audio chip 15.58.22 # update? 15.58.27 # I've identified most of the components 15.58.39 # I will upload picture 15.58.40 # s 15.59.09 # Jungti1234: can you make a IriverE10HardwareInfo and put pictures of the chips there? 15.59.53 # is the LCD 1.5" 16.00.00 # ? 16.00.06 # yep 16.00.19 # markun: of course. 16.00.24 # then it matches a single one by varitronix 16.00.49 # B4gder: exactly 16.01.03 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2988.JPG 16.01.14 # LT 5C 4055 B6779 16.01.32 # B4gder: but I couldn't find the datasheet for the TL1771 LCD driver IC 16.01.37 # Linear Technology LTC4055? Linear Technology LTC3407? 16.02.05 # markun answer please 16.02.15 # Jungti1234: LTC4055 16.03.20 # then, LAGK N285 603? 16.03.29 Join mongey|zZz [0] (i=mongeyc@213-94-249-139.b-ras1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net) 16.04.15 # Jungti1234: That's the LTC3407 16.05.56 # 12,000 SUNNY 539? 16.07.08 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2986.JPG 16.07.36 # T1211 08060 buG5032 16.07.48 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp163-178.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.08.42 # Jungti1234: 12,000 is the oscillator 16.08.46 Join saab_rider2 [0] (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.101.145) 16.09.16 # It need? 16.09.30 # the T1211is used in the 300 16.09.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Philips_TEA1211_DC_DC_Converter 16.09.47 # H300? 16.10.02 # yes 16.10.38 Part Nibbler ("Leaving") 16.10.40 # ah 16.11.05 # It's some different. 16.11.44 # name of the chip is TEA1211? 16.13.06 # so it seems 16.14.04 # 12.000 SUNNY 539 name is..? 16.14.09 # sunny539? 16.17.06 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.20.04 # hmm 16.23.48 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2981.JPG 16.23.49 Quit theli_ua ("by all") 16.23.53 # KATC.. what's that? 16.24.00 # I don't know 16.24.07 Quit juxtap () 16.24.17 # That's the only one I couldn't find 16.24.32 Quit muesli|delhi ("ich will Kühe!!!") 16.25.05 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2982.JPG 16.25.12 # E8564 613L 16.25.16 # It's important? 16.25.36 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za) 16.26.55 # Perhaps similar to Epson 2C RTC Module E8564 448 16.26.56 # there's an RTC named 8564 16.26.58 # In the H10 16.27.05 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.27.06 # same chip? 16.27.10 # hehe 16.27.14 # :) 16.28.27 # there's a driver in the linux kernel for epson 8564 16.29.34 # hmm 16.29.36 # KATC.. 16.30.13 # but the epson one is using "R8564" as markings 16.30.22 # you need Battery info? 16.30.54 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2966.JPG 16.31.37 # B4gder: the chip in the H10 also has E8564 on it 16.32.22 # the epson datasheet for the 8564 describes the markings of the chip 16.32.35 # and it says R8564 16.32.50 # Jungti1234: nice camera 16.32.56 # :) thanks 16.33.06 # hm 16.33.13 # B4gder: then? R8564? E8564? 16.33.19 # it seems it was another datasheet, as the one linked from the h10 page says E8564 clearly 16.33.35 # might've been a different package 16.33.51 # ah yes 16.33.55 # E? 16.33.57 # the 10 pin one says E 16.34.01 # :) 16.34.07 # the 20+ pin ones says R 16.34.10 # It's 10 pin. 16.34.31 # Epson RTC-8564JE it is 16.34.49 # ok 16.34.55 # Doesn't battery info need? 16.35.12 # not likely, no 16.35.22 # I saw a nightmare today 16.35.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.35.32 # I was using Mac 16.35.34 # B4gder: any idea what the atmel could be doing in there? 16.35.34 # hehe.. what's nightmare 16.35.47 # And the worst thing was that I liked it! LOL 16.35.47 # Jungti1234: bad dream 16.35.47 # E8564 is just a different case version of R8564 16.36.15 # * amiconn is too late 16.36.22 # markun: I know, I mean is what contents of these dream are. 16.36.30 # markun: no idea really, but probably it offloads the main mcu with some kind of work that is hard to guess 16.37.08 # Where can I find information of battery? 16.37.15 # mAh... more.. 16.37.27 # XavierGr: OMG..very scary 16.37.49 # Thanks god it was only a dream...right? 16.37.57 # hehehe 16.38.00 # yeah 16.38.46 # But not worse than having an iPod and actually like it, eh? 16.38.51 # Need information of battery and KATC chip info. 16.38.53 # <^BeN^> blah 16.38.53 # <^BeN^> Error: bad 'FONTBOUNDINGBOX' 16.38.54 # <^BeN^> Error reading font header 16.39.00 # <^BeN^> what should i do? 16.39.01 # I saw that dream due to my obsession to convert to linux 16.39.17 # though I keep canceling it due to software and hardware dependencies 16.39.29 Nick ^BeN^ is now known as Paprica (i=Paprica@85-250-150-155.bb.netvision.net.il) 16.39.41 # hehe hi paprica 16.39.46 # long time no see 16.39.47 # hello :) 16.39.50 # yep 16.40.16 # someone know? 16.40.41 # Genre9mp3: At least iPod is rockboxable, so it isn't so frightening 16.41.23 # XavierGr: You certainly have a point there... 16.41.54 # But I cannot imagine you with fancy white earbuds 16.42.06 # Now that's scary! 16.42.08 # LOL 16.43.31 # haha 16.46.16 # wwtf 16.46.26 # half of my commands dont work 16.46.42 # how do i clear the screen in hydrairc 16.46.48 # in mirc it is /clear 16.47.03 # the fuck is hydrairc? 16.47.33 # lou: another client. Couldn't you guess? 16.47.51 # yeah, the name didn't give any clues 16.47.57 # * amiconn wonders why someone would want to clear the screen in irc 16.47.59 # 16.48.05 # ho ho 16.48.53 Join saa[b_r]ider [0] (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.101.145) 16.49.15 # 'HydraIRC is a completely new IRC client that makes IRC a joy to use.' 16.49.18 # oh i see 16.49.23 # completly new 16.49.27 # * amiconn uses HydraIRC, and likes it 16.49.35 # (without the bind to clear your screen) 16.49.35 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2958.JPG 16.49.39 # 7clear 16.50.00 # never liked gui clients 16.50.04 # and when i had to use one 16.50.18 # my choice was mIRC 16.50.33 # a command line user on windows? how odd 16.50.39 # mirc is shareware 16.51.48 # Mekrob: from Q 28 you would think it supports /clear http://www.hydrairc.com/wiki/wakka.php?wakka=FAQ&v=17ha 16.52.37 # markun: it doesn't 16.52.48 # markun 16.52.52 # maybe /cl works then? 16.53.16 # TEA1211 is FM chip? 16.53.20 # no 16.54.50 # hey markun 16.55.13 # What is E10 FM chip? 16.55.39 # Don't know 16.55.45 Quit under_score () 16.56.23 # hmm 16.56.31 # strange... 16.56.34 # I can't find it 16.58.18 # I think Philips TEA1211 is FM chip. 16.58.25 # no? 16.58.49 # no 16.58.58 # then? 16.59.26 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2974.JPG 16.59.30 # http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2975.JPG 16.59.37 # board pics 16.59.54 Quit tongas ("CGI:IRC") 17.02.19 # hmm 17.02.20 # bye all 17.02.41 # thanks today :D 17.02.43 # what no movie! ;-) 17.03.05 Quit Jungti1234 () 17.06.02 # what formats does the sansa e270 accept for vids 17.06.23 # it converts videos for the player using a windows program 17.06.32 # no idea to what format though 17.07.26 Quit saab_rider2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.08.27 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-138-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.08.47 # but will it accept .mov files? 17.08.57 # no idea 17.14.15 Join ZenMasterJG [0] (n=Jordan@69.43.65.34) 17.17.09 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3201.gwdg.de) 17.23.17 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-71-202-85-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 17.29.45 # anyone know a prgrm that will let you play swf games 17.31.36 # media player classic 17.31.43 # but it isn't meant for games 17.31.54 # though some times you can play them 17.31.56 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@adsl-70-245-230-94.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 17.33.24 Join Kronuz [0] (i=Kronuz@dsl-201-129-132-39.prod-infinitum.com.mx) 17.33.30 # hello 17.34.06 Nick jd_ is now known as jd_away (n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos) 17.35.54 Quit toxicfume (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.38.32 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 17.42.49 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 17.44.12 Join bluebrother [0] (i=sBkwxxwg@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.46.34 # "Crossfade between tracks! Crossfading would require two MP3 decoders, and we only have one. This is not possible." 17.46.40 # that's on the NoDo list 17.46.48 # it only applies to hardware mp3 decoders 17.46.54 # oh, ok 17.47.01 # I think it should say that :P 17.47.12 # feel free to edit it ;) 17.47.33 # I don't have access :P 17.47.45 # oh 17.47.49 # registration :) 17.48.15 # * petur spells wiki: w i k i :) 17.50.58 # Kronuz, that NoDo is already listed under the topic "Features we will not or cannot implement on the Archos line of players." How much more explicit does it need to be? 17.51.56 # Febs, you have spent too much time in the forums :). the grumpyness reveals that 17.54.00 # Febs: explicit as it should say it will not be implemented for "devices using hardware mp3 decoders" 17.54.46 # that line confused me for a sec once when I was browsing around the wiki too... 17.55.12 # hmm... so i've plugged in my ipod, but its not showing up in explorer. that sucks. 17.55.27 # wait.. there it goes. like 5 minutes later. weeeird 17.56.16 # ryran: that's right... sounds like either the list is outdated or that the crossfade we've been using was for something else than what we initially thought it was for 17.56.58 Quit petur ("argh") 17.57.06 # ZenMasterJG: my 5g ipod is the same way.. 'cept it always takes about 30 seconds 17.57.14 # (my nano shows up instantly) 17.57.26 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-24-211.dyn.iinet.net.au) 17.57.27 Join imbrandon_ [0] (n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon) 17.57.37 # Hmmm. Archos is the only platform with a hardware decoder. Are there any other players these days that have hardware decoders? And if so, do we know that the have the same limitations as the Archos? 17.57.56 # to make it even better we could mention there what devices use mp3 hardware decoding (though I'm not sure exactly what models do) 17.58.34 # Kronuz, all the currently supported archos models 17.59.10 # Kronuz, player, the recorders and the ondios 17.59.23 # ondios? what's that? 17.59.39 # an Archos model, I suppose :P (silly question) 17.59.49 # can someone tell me what the error '*panic* mount: 0' after USB disconnect on h300 means? 17.59.50 # Kronuz, http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml <-- currently supported platers 18.00.16 # *players 18.00.31 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.00.33 # oh... that's more than half of the list (Archos) 18.01.13 # Bagder: Do you think that it would be good to update the news in front page with the fixed power issue on H300 for all users to see? 18.02.15 Join kristnjov [0] (n=hehe@demen.dtek.chalmers.se) 18.02.21 # hello. 18.02.21 # kristnjov: hi 18.02.47 # i'm not sure what to search for in the bug section so i'll just ask here and see if anyone else has these problems. 18.03.28 # when i have lots and lots of directories on my ipod video 30 GB and scroll down (or up for that matter) it just freezes 18.03.44 # i'm using a daily build from a few days ago. 18.04.55 # PaulJam: I don't have that... 18.05.15 # Though, I still cannot play music after USB disconnect 18.05.29 # i had this error today for the first time 18.05.57 # but i have never had the problem that i can't play music after usb disconnect 18.06.43 # Also...if I try to reconnect the player Windows won't recognize it 18.07.14 # Genre9mp3, i've had that problem before and if i rembember correctly i just rebooted and then it worked fine. 18.07.16 # I have to reboot every time after USB connection 18.07.31 # kristnjov: Yes, I know 18.08.51 # Genre9mp3: after you disconnect, do you just hit the play button, or do you select a new song? 18.09.14 # kristnjov: you mean the playback skips? or the whole thing freezes? 18.09.35 # talking about USB reminds me... there's a bug somewhere. When I connect my iPod to the charger (not to the computer) rockbox reboots and goes into "link" mode then, when it realizes there's no actual connection, it reboots again and the process starts all over again (it never gets me to the player) 18.09.50 # PaulJam: Both not working I think 18.09.56 # (after pressing buttons and stuff during reboot, I finally could get into the player once) 18.09.58 # ZenMasterJG, freezes. when i'm not even playing music. 18.09.58 # But let me check... 18.10.37 # ZenMasterJG, this has been going on ever since i first started using rockbox and not until now have i had the strength to complain about it. 18.10.49 # PaulJam: Yes...both not working 18.11.08 # does rockboy support .7z? 18.11.13 # kristnjov: hehe, i donno, try a newer build, i guess. i've never had that problem 18.11.37 # kerb: most likely no compressions 18.11.55 # ZenMasterJG, something i might want to mention is that i have more than 100 (perhaps 200) directories (albums). 18.13.04 # hey, how does the apple firmware goes to hibernation? just stops the decoders and shuts down the video and stops boosting the processor? 'cause I don't think it's storing the memory on hard drive 18.14.29 # Kronuz: it doesn't store the memory until after 24 hours or so 18.14.30 Join clinix [0] (n=ben@p54B829B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.14.38 # that’s what I thought 18.14.45 # Kronuz: the soft sleep lowers the cpu to 24kHz or so 18.14.49 # kristnjov: do you have to reboot when it freezes, or does it just slow down for a bit? 18.14.49 # ‘cause it makes no hard drive nocide at all 18.14.57 # noise 18.15.04 # brb 18.15.07 Part Kronuz 18.15.11 Join Kronuz [0] (i=Kronuz@dsl-201-129-132-39.prod-infinitum.com.mx) 18.15.15 Part Kronuz 18.15.18 # ZenMasterJG, it totally freezes, only a hard reboot (menu + middle) is possible 18.15.39 Join Kronuz [0] (i=Kronuz@dsl-201-129-132-39.prod-infinitum.com.mx) 18.15.39 # Genre9mp3: my h320 plays fine after usb disconnect 18.15.45 # back 18.15.58 # kristnjov: try a newer build, see if that helps. you might want to try and break those album directories up by artist too, that might help 18.16.34 # ZenMasterJG, i'll update the firmware (although i'm sure that won't work) and split it up and see if that helps 18.16.35 # I sort of like the apple's way to "turn off" the device it's much faster to turn it on (even when you "waste" batteries when it's supposedly off) 18.16.47 # PaulJam: I'm wondering (can't think of a connection to that, though) if the Bootloader USB mode works for you (cause my does not) 18.17.28 # bootloader usb works for me. 18.17.28 # and also, when you turn it on, there's no hard drive access (which could in fact kill the whole purpose of shutting the device off for real, depending on the use) 18.18.09 # Kronuz: with autoresume i just press menu and put ti in my pocket, music starts 6 seconds later 18.18.36 # is it just me, or is download.rockbox.org down? 18.18.45 # that's alright, but mainly what I don't like is the disk roaring 18.18.48 # it's down 18.18.49 # Damn...Usually such bugs that exist for some and for others do not are tricky to get solved 18.18.50 # the USB problems (both normal and bottloader related) are quite annoying 18.19.03 # on some units it just woks on others won't 18.19.09 # it is very strange behaviour 18.20.17 # sounds like an unneeded waste of 6 or 7 seconds plus unnecessary hdd access (for some, including me, would be better and faster just to go into a "sleep" mode, instead of actually turning the device off) 18.21.09 # 6 seconds are still 6 seconds, and the hard drive must start hard working on every "turn on" 18.22.31 # anyway, about the usb charger rebooting the system.. (I wonder if it even is necessary to reboot after transferring files from the computer) 18.23.19 # (I'd like to reboot as little as possible) 18.24.14 # but you know if it's a known bug or what? having a hard time making rockbox on the iPod having it connected to the usb charger 18.25.20 Join thomjoha [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 18.25.23 Nick thomjoha is now known as preglow (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 18.29.50 # does the simulator simulate only archos devices? 18.30.34 # i've been surfing so much on overheardinNY i thought that was a quote. 18.30.38 # i think there is a uisimulator for every target 18.30.45 # hmm 18.30.53 # looks different than on my iPod 18.31.12 # (with different options on the menu) 18.32.04 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 18.34.19 # could someone see if the download links works: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml 18.34.41 # i told you, they don't 18.34.53 # oh, sorry 18.35.01 # missed that :) 18.35.07 # :D 18.35.18 # Bagder, download.rockbox.org is down (but maybe you know that) 18.35.21 # you might want to ask why they don't work. 18.35.29 # Kronuz: where did you get the simulator from? 18.35.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.35.54 # Kronuz: if you run the uisim with './rockboxui --background' does it show the correct picture of your target? 18.36.01 # I built it 18.36.08 # Bagder: download.rockbox.org is down 18.36.25 # PaulJam: it seems it does, but the options aren't there 18.36.26 # markun, tucoz just said that 18.36.38 # kristnjov, the more the merrier :) 18.36.39 # damn, we are not paying attention :) 18.36.40 # (all of the options in my iPod menu) 18.36.44 # tucoz, true that shit 18.36.48 # must be the weather here 18.37.58 # afk 18.38.07 # Kronuz: i think some items are not available in the uisim e.g. the debug menu 18.40.46 # yeah, and some others too 18.40.50 # :( 18.41.04 # I was trying to build it using win32, but I got a much of missing files 18.41.16 # autoconf.h, config.h lcd.h debug.h, etc 18.41.39 # file.h dir.h kernel.h (I think that's about it) 18.41.59 # and you followed the instructions in the wiki? 18.42.08 # oh, I was reading the READMEs 18.42.12 # in the CVS :P 18.42.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator 18.43.29 # lol , it seys to get a prebuilt one 18.43.35 # :) 18.43.47 # that's of no use to me :P 18.43.48 Quit smrq_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.44.06 # I think the 'building' instructions also work for windows, but I'm not sure 18.44.30 # well, I'm sure they don't under visual studio 18.44.39 # (even though there's a solution file) 18.44.41 Join smrq_ [0] (n=smrq@h-68-164-11-241.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net) 18.44.54 # Perhaps you can get it back to work 18.45.02 # I probably only need to copy the files I just told you about 18.45.17 # dunno why they're not there... I'll dig a little on it 18.45.30 # The files should be in the source tree 18.46.04 # they're there, but in different directories 18.46.21 # debug.h is at firmware\export (the only debug.h) 18.47.09 # seems all the files I need are there 18.47.54 # I wonder... should't those includes be using < > ? 18.48.01 # like the #include "config.h" 18.48.12 # if all those files are there in firmware/export 18.48.29 # and they're included from many different locations and directories 18.50.56 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.51.31 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-87-234.tn.glocalnet.net) 18.52.47 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.53.56 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 18.56.11 Quit ryran ("hasta la pasta!") 18.56.11 Quit smrq_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.57.53 Join smrq_ [0] (n=smrq@h-68-164-11-241.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net) 18.58.22 # Kronuz: no, you just need to add the include directories to visual studio I think 18.59.31 # I don't know if the rockbox sim builds with the visual studio compiler. 19.01.15 Quit clinix ("Ex-Chat") 19.04.52 Join ac [0] (n=c1aa023c@labb.contactor.se) 19.05.19 # Hi.. can somebody of the admins close this bug: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5009 ? 19.05.43 # markun: I did it already.. I also have to add the autoconf.h file and modify it a little 19.05.54 # also, there's stuff with the code :S 19.05.59 # and Visual Studio 8 19.06.05 # (which is stricter) 19.07.06 # ac sure 19.07.13 Part kristnjov 19.08.13 # tucoz: fine - thanks 19.08.18 # np 19.10.10 # it seems it's going to be tough to compile in VS 19.10.31 # win32 project files must have been untouched for a long time 19.10.48 Quit hardeep ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 19.11.08 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.13.38 # I think I'll just quit 19.13.47 # I can use the linux version :P 19.16.48 Nick jd_away is now known as jd_miam (n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos) 19.24.16 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.44.23 Nick jd_miam is now known as jd_ (n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos) 19.44.51 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 19.54.48 Join heff [0] (n=felix@87.78.4.196) 20.00.32 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-179-93-127.dsl.pipex.com) 20.16.51 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-057-100-129.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.23.34 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG) 20.29.54 Quit ac ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.30.52 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.33.12 Join menollo [0] (n=53740bec@labb.contactor.se) 20.34.50 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@host217-42-183-128.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 20.35.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.38.53 # I'm trying to make my first plugin (with no program experience :S:S) and i'v some problems with 'rb->putsxy'.. someone a suggestion.. and how can I debug (eclipse?? or is there another/eaysier way..) 20.39.42 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.41.26 # ow.. i think its lcd_putsxy not putsxy :S 20.42.11 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 20.43.31 Quit Kronuz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.43.53 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB59E7F.ipt.aol.com) 20.47.47 Join vesuv_ [0] (n=vesuv@p54A70C67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.52.26 Quit vesuv_ ("Konversation terminated!") 20.56.24 Quit Genre9mp3 () 20.57.12 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.59.34 # menollo: use gdb on the simulator ('$ gdb ./rockboxui') 20.59.48 # set breakpoints, step throught the code, etc 21.02.31 Quit vesuv (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.03.26 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-63-62.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.06.18 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp163-178.adsl.forthnet.gr) 21.07.41 Join bu88a [0] (n=1827ae01@labb.contactor.se) 21.07.58 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.09.42 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 21.10.46 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 21.18.12 Quit ZenMasterJG (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.20.02 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 21.27.01 # hello 21.28.54 # i set my offline browser to download 'www.rockbox.org' 21.28.59 # heh..HUGE 21.29.02 # :| 21.29.25 # :) 21.29.28 # why do that? 21.29.49 # where i work there's no internet. 21.29.50 # so he can browse offline ? 21.31.34 Join Kronuz [0] (i=Kronuz@201.137.250.7) 21.31.43 # I'm back again :) 21.32.05 # hey, iPods have ARM processors, right? 21.32.13 # correct 21.32.21 # I read somewhere some iPods have two cores? 21.32.30 # what's the processor model? 21.32.50 # I'm ready to get started on dual core support and suspend mode for ROCKbox :) 21.33.23 # ANYONE HAVE A SANSA E200 SERIES? 21.33.27 # sorry for the caps 21.33.48 # Mikachu: (as a challenge too, as I've never programmed a dual core kernel) 21.36.03 # oh shit! 21.36.09 # I deleted my mbr 21.36.17 # haha 21.36.20 # mbr? 21.36.23 # Kronuz: dual core support, you say 21.36.25 # master boot record 21.36.29 # lol 21.36.29 # :P 21.36.34 # Kronuz: got any ideas on how you want to do that? 21.36.56 # preglow: some, yes, I've had some thoughts 21.37.01 # windows still recognize the partitions but partition magic sees the whole disc as unllocated disk space 21.37.15 # preglow: but I still have much to learn about the cores and how rockbox currently works 21.37.33 # Kronuz: i/we fefel that one of the cores should be dedicated to decoding audio only 21.37.40 # XavierGr: if you remember the starting block numbers just recreate the partition table 21.37.42 # Kronuz: which removes the need for a complicated scheduler 21.37.45 # yeah, that's what I thought too 21.37.46 # Mekrob, no, are they cool? 21.37.58 # Mikachu I dont!!!! 21.38.10 # and all that to remove the grub bootloader 21.38.15 # preglow: but perhaps not even the whole core is needed for audio 21.38.19 # now if I shut down all will be lost 21.38.46 # perhaps for video decoding the task could be split between the two 21.39.03 # if we only knew about that other chip 21.39.04 # i wouldn't worry about video decoding 21.39.16 # Kronuz: oh, i think it will be 21.39.37 # why oh why didn't I save the mbr first? 21.39.50 # Kronuz: perhaps, but let's please ignore video for the time being. rockbox is a music player 21.39.52 # * XavierGr pulls his hair out!!! 21.40.41 # yeah, but I just want to keep it in mind 21.40.46 # sure 21.40.58 # (let's just not forget that there's video too while programming) 21.41.05 # but please don't overdo the thread scheduler, we want to know what threads can possibly run on what cores 21.41.11 # (that's what I say) 21.41.23 # this to possibly minimise having to spill the cache all the time (the two cores have caches that aren't necessarily coherent) 21.41.29 # it has two ARM7TDMI, right? 21.41.33 # and to keep the complexity down 21.41.34 # correct 21.42.30 # anyone got a second or two that they can spare to help me find some info 21.42.50 # preglow: "we want to know what threads can possibly run on what cores" - what do you mean? 21.43.18 # Kronuz: we don't want the second core to run the main thread, scrolling thread, etc 21.43.25 # Kronuz: we want it to run a specific set of threads 21.43.42 # oh, you mean to be able to choose on what core a thread is running? 21.44.02 # more like hardcode than choose 21.44.17 # oh 21.44.27 # I was thinking as a parameter to the create thread 21.44.36 # (don't know yet, 'cause not all devices have dual cores) 21.45.18 # very few have 21.45.31 # only portalplayer based stuff, which is right now, ipod 21.46.01 # also, I'm not sure how good is the code on that side (real concurrent access to memory) 21.46.17 # but yes, we really want dual core operation to be as specific as possible, ie. only codec thread on the second core, so we can optimise more easily and not implement resource intensive generic cases 21.46.40 # Mekrob, what do you need? 21.46.51 # preglow: is someone already working on dual core yet? 21.46.54 # Kronuz: nopes 21.47.01 # Kronuz: i've had some thoughts on it, but that's all 21.47.42 # but yeah, are you familiar with rockbox? 21.48.20 # damn, I feel guilty, I should be working and I'm playing with rockbox :S 21.48.38 # preglow: not particularly, I just found about rockbox yesterday 21.48.49 # then you should start to study how threading and stuff works, plus experiment some with dual core operation on ipod. currently, i've just put the second core to sleep 21.48.50 # oh, wrong, almost two days ago 21.49.22 # yeah, I've checked it a bit already (the thread stuff) 21.49.34 # crt0.S is where all the second core stuff is dealt with as of now 21.50.18 # good to know: cores are completely separate, share the same ram, but different caches, and the bus is not snooped, so accesses to the same memory should not be done by standard means 21.50.29 Quit mongey|zZz ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.50.35 # there is a shared internal ram area that is not cached, however 21.50.53 # but this ram is also very fast, so we use it for codecs and such, so there's not really much left for cross-core communication 21.51.28 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-87-138.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 21.52.23 # grmpf 21.52.27 # didn't you find executing code from it wasn't really much faster, just putting data there? 21.53.44 Join ZenMasterJG [0] (n=Jordan@69.43.65.34) 21.54.05 # On PP5020+, iram doesn't make a difference for both code & data, provided the code/data is already cached 21.54.17 # (both iram and cache are single cycle) 21.54.34 # ok, my test is a bit working.. but does anyone know if it's posible to compile only the plugin? i'm now everytime recompiling the hole rockbox-simulator.. 21.54.37 # PP5002 has a broken cache (1 waitstate), so it will make a difference 21.54.43 # ok now I will try to reboot but most certenlly my main HD is fucked up. 21.54.48 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 21.54.59 # i remember enabling ICODE for vorbis and not being very impressed, and also linuxstb talking about pacbox 21.55.38 # Coldfire has instruction cache only, that's why it's way more beneficial to put data in iram than code 21.55.39 # preglow: I also want to add a suspend mode as the apple's firmware 21.56.04 # Kronuz: well, that should be far easier 21.56.06 # preglow: so that turning the ipod off would really just suspend 21.56.12 # yeah 21.56.28 # you mean the fast wakeup suspend or the deep sleep one? 21.56.29 # * amiconn prefers poweroff over suspend 21.56.40 # are ints on all the targets 32 bit ? (at least color targets) 21.56.41 # specially for me not having much experience (some, but not much) with processors other than the x86 family 21.56.51 # that could lead to some fun corruption if someone menu+selects to apple while rockbox is suspended and writes to the disk 21.57.04 # dionoea: On all currently active targets, yes, but don't count on that 21.57.23 # preglow: still, I have a pretty good understanding of hos systems work and I find it rather easy to get started on new things 21.57.33 # but yeah, fast or slow suspend? 21.57.35 # The gmini is 16bit (calmrisc16), and sims can be 64bit nowadays (even in the distributed build system) 21.57.42 # well i'm doing some fixed point float calculations so i'd like as much precision as possible ( hsv <-> rgb conversions ) 21.57.45 # i thought shut off and deep sleep were the same on ipods 21.57.48 # else my gradients look weird 21.57.51 # amiconn: ints are 32 bit also on amd64 21.58.08 # you could of course build the sim on a sparc, i guess.. 21.58.36 # preglow: ints yes, but if you want 32bit on calmrisc and use 'long' for that, you'll get 64 bits and amd64 21.58.45 # oh, indeed 21.58.54 # as long as it's more than 32 :) 21.59.05 # if you need _exactly_ some bit depth, use int32_t or similar 22.00.23 # The load caused by the H300 backlight isn't linear across the brightness setting range 22.00.28 # :/ 22.00.58 # haven't you guys thugth of building an iPod emulator? 22.01.16 # so that we can figure the Broadcom chip out easier? 22.01.45 # amiconn: not exactly very surprising 22.02.02 # preglow: ?? 22.02.09 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.02.17 # I would have expected it to be linear, given that it's pwm 22.03.04 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.03.21 # how far off is it? 22.03.29 # i wouldn't have expected it to be strictly linear 22.03.48 # does anyone here own a sansa e200 series mp3 play? 22.03.53 # player 22.04.23 # ? 22.05.40 # damn echo really takes long to fade 22.06.35 # preglow: I need to perform several more runtime tests, but at 53% brightness (8 of 15) the load is ~61% 22.07.11 # * amiconn suspects that the brightness scale itself isn't lineart 22.07.13 # -t 22.07.40 # ..especially since 0 and 1 are both black 22.07.44 # ? 22.11.15 # * dionoea discovers that DEBUGF( ) is pretty usefull :) 22.11.23 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting") 22.14.02 Quit smrq_ (Connection reset by peer) 22.14.14 Join smrq_ [0] (n=smrq@h-68-164-11-241.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net) 22.18.24 # preglow: hmm.. all the devices rockbox suppoer have ARM processors? 22.18.31 # no 22.19.02 # oh 22.20.00 # i think there are three different 22.20.47 # Kronuz: here you can see the different compilers http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 22.20.56 # oh, I see it 22.21.15 # coldfire too 22.21.27 # and others :P 22.22.12 # just that there's only a single crt0 file I would have thought of putting processor specific stuff in different files 22.22.44 # I think it will be split 22.23.04 # it really should 22.23.44 # but anyway... that'll be done in its own time 22.24.17 Quit idnar (Remote closed the connection) 22.24.43 Quit menollo ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.25.48 # it's difficult to read with the mixed opcodes and processors :P 22.26.03 # ifdef hell ;) 22.26.07 # run it through the preprocessor first :) 22.26.19 # yeah :P 22.26.28 # yeah, I can do that too 22.26.58 # but still... would be better if they were on their own files 22.27.25 # and nobody can argue on that ;) 22.27.46 # Hrmpf :/ 22.27.58 # * amiconn needs a fixed point implementation of pow() 22.28.52 # lol 22.28.53 # 0xdeadbeef 22.29.13 Quit bu88a ("CGI:IRC") 22.29.51 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 22.30.15 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 22.34.07 # amiconn: what base do you need? 22.35.31 # there is some code in replaygain.c you might very well be able to use 22.35.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.35.50 Quit BioVorE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.35.53 # Base is between 0.0 and 1.0 (0..255 expressed as integer). Exponent range must be at least 1.0 .. 2.0, better 0.5 .. 3.0 22.36.03 # It's for gamma correction 22.36.34 # base varies, then it's harder 22.37.02 # replaygain.c has fp_exp, which has base e, and a^x = e^(ln(a)*x) 22.37.09 # but we have no fixed point ln anyway :/ 22.37.09 # when was the rockbox project started? 22.37.25 # and when was the iPod 5G stuff added? 22.37.30 # late 2001 22.37.46 # I've got a fixed point ln in FS#5551 - last 2 comments 22.37.57 # fixed point sqrt also 22.38.07 # I think the source code could use a major overhauling 22.38.19 # (total rewrite would be an option) 22.38.38 # I beg to differ 22.39.16 # Kronuz: i have a more general (but very probably slower) fixed point sqrt in eq.c 22.39.28 # Kronuz: why do you say that? 22.39.43 # ehh, that first was to obo 22.40.04 # well, just that I find it rather messy (with all the mixed code and stuff) 22.40.12 # mixed code as in ifdefs? 22.40.21 # well, that too 22.40.25 # we have introduced a partial solution to that already 22.40.30 # then again it's a lot of work, and maybe I'm just a bit lost 'cause I'm really new to the code 22.40.30 # not all code uses it yet 22.40.34 # what other mixed code do you mean? 22.40.42 # saying it's alot of work is an understatement 22.40.46 # it'd be a massive project 22.40.52 # hehe :P 22.40.55 # I was trying to be positive 22.40.59 # and totally overrated imho 22.41.03 # rewrites usually are 22.41.19 # well, at least for most c based projects 22.41.34 # rewrites can do wonders for oo stuff if you've gone with a flawed design 22.41.43 # isn't splitting arch specific code in the todo for 3.1? 22.41.47 # Mikachu: yes 22.41.49 # i glanced over that page yesterday 22.42.21 # Kronuz: what other mixed code are you talking about? 22.42.31 # just re-thinking the whole architecture and improving upon the concepts with the knowledge already gained during the time rockbox has been living... then rewriting a clean design with lots of comments would be nice 22.42.58 # we have a new arch structure planned 22.43.04 # and even started 22.43.14 # no need to rewrite for that 22.43.22 # preglow: maybe I'm confused about it, I told you... I've just started reading the source code 22.43.32 # but for instance the bootloader 22.43.37 # starting a rewrite would put rockbox in an even bigger hole than it currently is, if you ask me 22.43.45 # seems it's on crt0.S but also in the bootloader directory 22.44.04 # Kronuz: lots of firmware/ code is used by the bootloaders 22.44.06 # not if you do it in a new branch 22.44.14 # crt0.S is a special case 22.44.15 # yes then too 22.44.26 # I see 22.44.36 # if we want a rewrite done, we have to force it 22.44.41 # if not, it will never happen 22.44.43 # you can trust me when i say that 22.45.04 # I'm more used to c++ too 22.45.07 # interest will vanish in the project for a lot of people then 22.45.19 # *shrug* 22.45.28 # (maybe that's the reason I find it a bit confusing and mixed) 22.46.02 # i don't really think the code is very bad anyway 22.46.07 # me neither 22.46.12 # I didn't say it is bad 22.46.22 # sure it can use some polish, but the general state is not that bad 22.46.22 # I just say it could be cleaner 22.46.30 # sure 22.46.48 # and i say we deal with that in the more or less only fashion available to use: incrementally 22.46.51 # as you go 22.46.59 # * Bagder nods 22.47.07 # as with the playback engine most recently 22.47.37 # so, tell me about the new architecture plans 22.47.49 # are those already in a drawing board? 22.47.54 # the arch plans they're talking about involved moving all architecture dependent code into the target/ tree 22.47.55 # check the iaudio x5 file layout 22.48.03 # nope, they're already implemented for iaudio 22.48.08 # oh 22.48.22 # this will remove most of the need for #ifdefs per target 22.48.31 # I'd thought that one would be on firmware 22.48.39 # it is in firmware 22.48.49 # oh, tight :P 22.48.56 # right* 22.49.35 # yeah, that's definitely better 22.50.00 # why are there som many empty directories? 22.50.20 # obo: interesting page about log/exp you found there 22.51.31 # yeah, you seen the bit about arm asm code? 22.52.31 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-76-157.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.52.46 # yeah, i can see how these will work nicely on arm right away 22.52.53 # Kronuz: empty? 22.52.57 # unfortunately, it'll be pretty slow on other archs 22.52.58 # it would be nice to have a threads CPU usage in the debug window 22.53.10 # markun: well, firmware/test 22.53.20 # has many empty directories 22.53.27 # its due to CVS 22.53.41 # that too... switching to SVN ;) 22.53.51 # or 22.53.54 # Kronuz: most threads do very little, i don't think such a cpu view would yield very much usable information 22.54.01 # Bagder: THATS IT 22.54.06 # Bagder: LETS GO SVN!!!1 22.54.11 # they're not empty for me 22.54.15 # hehe 22.54.15 # all your problems are solved 22.54.24 # * Bagder slaps preglow 22.54.27 # i forgot sarcasm caps 22.54.30 # down boy down 22.54.32 # preglow: well, it would be threads CPU and disk usage 22.54.39 # (maybe) 22.54.51 # it would look nice if not useful :P 22.54.55 # heh 22.54.59 # please do implement it 22.55.03 Quit idnar (Remote closed the connection) 22.55.19 # I'll start implementing stuff as soon as I start figuring the code out 22.55.52 # I'm already making good assumptions on many areas :) 22.55.57 # shouldn't be too hard to add thread cpu monitor, but you'll need to hook the hires timer 22.56.03 # which alone disqualifies it from cvs inclusion 22.56.50 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 22.57.04 # oh, also I was talking with smably yesterday about a second disk access icon 22.57.07 # * dionoea asks if it's possible to have fonts rendered to a offscreen buffer 22.57.21 # dionoea: everything is possible 22.57.38 # does the current api already provide a way to do so ? 22.57.45 # not that i knmow of 22.57.55 # preglow: I'm not sure, but I think the icon displays only when the disk is actually seeking or makig disk accesses 22.57.57 # but i have dabbled very little in that part of rockbox 22.58.06 # isn't the framebuffer in fact offscreen? :) 22.58.09 # ok, thanks for the answer 22.58.18 # I was thinking of having a different icon to state when the disk was just spinning, but not accessing anything 22.58.41 # (it's to add text support in rockpaint ...) 22.59.06 # Kronuz: currently, i believe the hd icon is meant to emulate the hardware disk activity leds on some devices 22.59.23 # Kronuz: and those only light up at actual accesses, like you've probably seen on pcs too 22.59.26 # yeah, that's why it's called led (in the source code, I suppose) 22.59.42 # preglow, what is 'rework' in norsk? 22.59.50 # preglow: but you know it would be useful to see when the disk is spinning too (and not accessing anything) 23.00.08 Quit RedBreva ("Time for Tubby ByeBye") 23.00.27 # just 'cause in these devices spinning is not a good thing for battery, and it would help finding weird anomalies in the code behavior 23.00.29 # tucoz: good question gimme a sec 23.00.44 # omarbeta but spelled in norwegian? 23.01.00 # omarbeide, i guess 23.01.09 # heh 23.01.11 # probably. thanks 23.01.13 # :) 23.01.19 # best candidate i can think of anyway 23.02.00 # anyway, other small question in WPS files creation, %cL shows the hour in 00-12 format, and %cl in 1-12? 23.02.08 # coldfire 5251 is interesting 23.02.18 # "Other hardware features include on-chip USB 2.0 On-the-Go (OTG) technology" 23.02.32 # Bagder: got any targets with that? 23.02.42 # someone mentioned one in the forums just now 23.02.46 # ('cause I think the wiki is wrong, there, but I want to make sure) 23.02.59 # * preglow knows nothing about wpses 23.03.06 # "Sony NW-A3000" 23.03.13 # i like the coldfires :> 23.03.25 # http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/05/15/006748.html 23.03.33 # aso, why is it not %cP uppercase PM/AM ? 23.03.42 # oh, well 23.03.47 # pretty new announcement it is 23.04.42 # "Freescale provides schematics, layout files and component lists for a 1.8-inch, 20 GB HDD reference design that includes a color liquid crystal display and support for JPEG, MPEG4 and USB 2.0 OTG." 23.04.54 # hmm... are there documents explaining what's going on on every step of the iPod booting process and beyond? 23.04.57 # it makes you suspect Sony did what? ;-) 23.05.12 # what the hell is that playforsure shit? 23.05.16 # DRM 23.05.22 # nice.... 23.05.36 # preglow: did your love for ARM cool down a bit? 23.05.44 # markun: yeah, a tiny bit 23.06.06 # probably, with docs and a better hardware multiplier, i'd like it more 23.06.16 # also, i don't like load/store archs 23.06.18 # Kronuz: Why do you need a separate icon for disk spinning? You can clearly notice when the disk is spinning, you don't even have to look at the unit... 23.06.45 # amiconn: for the roaring? 23.07.02 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.07.07 # well, it's hardly noticeable without the access "sound" 23.07.44 # there were some times yesterday when I wan't sure if it was spinning or not 23.08.05 # Kronuz: how long is your spin down timeout? 23.08.15 # 5s. 23.08.29 # but for moments I thought it was still spinning afterwards 23.08.35 # (and maybe it was) 23.08.46 # that's why an extra icon would be nice 23.09.19 # maybe the little disk for access and some other much less intrusive one for spinning (nothing when it's off) 23.10.48 # I'd change the 'I' for the hour (01..12) in WPS files to 'L' (hour 1..12 is 'l' and could get easily confused with 'l', besides 'L' sounds more consistent) 23.11.07 # (but then again maybe not :P) 23.11.12 # * amiconn wonders whether the 1.8" disks in the ipods are so much different from the 1.8" disks in the irivers 23.11.56 # * preglow off 23.11.59 # night 23.12.03 # :( 23.12.07 # oh well 23.12.10 # g'night :) 23.12.28 # preglow: hey, just one thing before you go :) 23.12.46 # you know of any documents I might use to understand how the iPod boots and works, etc 23.12.58 # (any information I could use for the ARM processors too) 23.13.24 # Kronuz: arm7tdmi (the core) docs are available 23.13.40 # oh, yeah, I checked at Atmel already 23.13.48 # try arm.com 23.13.57 # but applied on the iPod I meant 23.14.25 # documents from reverse engineering 23.14.33 # I don't think there are any such 23.14.41 # other than source code 23.14.42 # Kronuz: perhaps at ipodlinux 23.14.52 # I found some about the boot process in ipodlinux source code, but not much 23.15.09 # it would be nice to make one on the wiki 23.15.28 # narrating step by step what's going on from the time you power the iPod :P 23.15.45 # wouldn't it be? 23.16.09 # perhaps one couold synch the narration to the source code files (for newbies) 23.16.22 # Bagder: wikispam? 23.16.58 # hm 23.17.41 # "and then the iPod copies the startup code to the 0x40000000 address and runs it from there, (crt0.S, line x-y)" 23.17.45 # something like that 23.18.36 # but the whole process... "finally the Rockbox creates the scrloo thread, which it's for.... (file, line n)" 23.18.50 # maybe, that's just a thought 23.19.12 # it would be nice to have something like that probably better to give just the filename and the function name) 23.19.16 # I agree its a good idea 23.19.30 # for newbies it would be grat 23.19.36 # but hard work to write and keep up to date 23.19.39 # also for those wanting to learn more about it 23.19.53 # it would be hard to keep, but not too much 23.20.05 # as the basic architecture wouldn't change offten 23.20.16 # (if it changes at all) 23.20.24 # it does 23.20.27 # except for dual core introductions and stuff like that 23.20.49 # yeah, but keeping the narration in an abstract level, not procedural 23.21.21 # not like "then line x does this and line y does that"... not like that 23.21.54 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 23.26.49 Quit heff ("Client Exiting") 23.26.59 # what's the entry point in the firmware? 23.27.45 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 23.27.53 # hi Paul_The_Nerd! 23.27.58 # Hola 23.27.59 Quit EbErT (Remote closed the connection) 23.29.47 # we're on exactly 1000 regged users in the wiki 23.30.01 # me being the last one? :P 23.30.07 # * Paul_The_Nerd cheers 23.30.21 # Kronuz: yeps ;-) 23.30.32 # lol 23.30.42 # I'm the latest addition then? 23.30.45 # :)) 23.30.48 # (excluding the spammer that came after you) 23.31.11 # are spammers commen? 23.31.14 # common* 23.31.18 # yes, fairly 23.31.22 Quit akaidiot (Remote closed the connection) 23.31.34 # :( and they just destroy stuff or what? 23.31.45 # just fill in weird stuff with lots of links 23.31.55 # yak 23.32.00 # one guy posted a whole online store 23.32.07 # they don't have a life or what? 23.32.12 # damn 23.35.07 Quit juxtap (Nick collision from services.) 23.35.13 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za) 23.35.26 # you would guess they don't. I even remember some of the spammers names. HanSolo and SinerAram being two nasty ones. 23.35.49 # yes 23.36.02 # we block >10 IP (ranges) nowadays 23.36.13 # :S 23.36.15 # due to repeated spamming 23.37.25 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3560699.sympatico.ca) 23.37.35 # hey, why did you guys say Rockbox doesn't go back to the WPS after a while? 23.38.38 # Because nobody's bothered to make it do so, for the main part? 23.39.37 # Paul_The_Nerd: anyway, a lot's been going on since you last were here Paul 23.40.00 Quit idnar (Remote closed the connection) 23.40.08 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 23.40.18 # Paul_The_Nerd: for the iPods, we now have dual core support 23.40.27 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-87-234.tn.glocalnet.net) 23.40.49 # ... in the head, but still waiting to be implemented :P 23.40.53 # Hahaha 23.40.55 # :P 23.41.08 # we have lots of stuff in the head! 23.41.36 # In the head I've got a way to support iTMS, but I don't think Apple will agree to its legality. ;) 23.42.01 # lol 23.42.48 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.43.29 # Paul_The_Nerd: but I got you there for a moment, didn't I? 23.44.16 # It seemed kinda unlikely to happen overnight. 23.44.30 # Especially without 4-billion people hopping up and down in the forums about it. :-P 23.44.49 # 4 billion, what are you talking about?!? 23.44.53 # I swear, 1/3 of the people in here are just watching for keywords to report back to various places. 23.45.03 # Okay, so maybe like, 500 23.45.07 # lol 23.45.17 Quit Poka64 ("nite") 23.45.30 # Actually, I'd guess maybe 1200-1500 of our forum are iPod users, if not a little more 23.45.46 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.47.48 # hey, is Rockbox making use of THUMB? 23.48.03 # no 23.48.22 # I thought so... it's just for reducing the code size, isn't it? 23.48.29 # yes 23.48.46 # but since it is 16bit it is also generally better suited for 16bit memory accesses 23.49.04 # * dionoea introduces a new hsvrgb color picker http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/rockpaint_colorpicker.png 23.49.26 # neat 23.49.47 # I still need to understand how the dual cores work (I've never programmed a kernel on dual cores) 23.50.15 # that's part of why I want to get into it (to learn something new) 23.51.36 # um, so earlier i claimed that i was going to try learning the playback code... 23.51.43 # i think i'm going to put that on hold for now 23.51.48 # (no pun intended) 23.51.53 # The playback code wins agian! 23.51.57 # again even 23.51.58 # heh :) 23.52.05 # playback code? 23.52.38 # "A Broadcom Bluetooth chip" 23.52.48 # * Paul_The_Nerd must now go prepare to attend class 23.52.49 Part Paul_The_Nerd 23.52.56 # not likely that one, right? 23.52.58 # :P 23.53.06 # Kronuz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback 23.53.50 # Paul_The_Nerd: what else is known about the Broadcom chip in the iPods? 23.54.26 Quit akaidiot (Remote closed the connection) 23.55.00 # smably: oh, it's just the codecs playback "module", right? 23.55.17 # i just wanted to get familiar with the playback architecture in general 23.55.25 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 23.55.34 # because apparently there are bugs that need fixing for 3.0, so i hoped i could help there 23.55.56 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 23.56.02 # hey, Broadcom seems to build network chips 23.56.06 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-136-171.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.56.29 # i noticed that one of the items in ReleaseToDo is "remote support for iriver" 23.56.29 # so I guess it would be unlikely the Broadcom chip on the iPod is for video decoding 23.56.40 # does anyone know what exactly this envolves? 23.56.48 # i know button mappings are an issue 23.56.54 # is there anything else that needs fixing? 23.57.46 Quit Febs () 23.58.41 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host86-142-223-227.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) 23.58.54 # hmm.. it also has MPEG-2 encoders