--- Log for 23.06.106 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 13 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.02 # ! what 00.00.06 # Bagder: well ... you only need write access for commit, no ? 00.00.23 # ! something like, final fantasy tactics, and that one free online flash game that's like it. 00.00.35 # dionoea: you need write access for doing 'cvs add' 00.00.37 # ah! (don't know it at all.. oops) 00.00.48 # iirc 00.00.51 # i just remember the movement system... 00.01.05 # hum ... i though that additions were only sent upon commit (like in subversion) 00.01.14 # well ... anyway ... who cares ? :) 00.01.19 # good night 00.01.37 # * preglow kicks gtk 00.01.40 # * preglow kicks gtk again 00.01.57 # a game like Pang would be cool. 00.01.59 # * tucoz helps gtk back up 00.02.03 # * preglow shoots gtk 00.02.07 # stripwax: never heard of it 00.02.16 # * tucoz calls 911 00.02.28 # little man shooting bubbles with a laser. kinda old-school run. 00.02.29 # * sharpe screams in horror at the sight 00.02.31 # ^fun 00.03.01 # ah 00.03.04 # what about mario? 00.03.11 # well, there's already rockboy 00.03.17 # yeah, true. 00.03.31 # doom 3! 00.04.01 # remember the game Another World / Out of this World ? 00.04.02 # if we're lucky, we can get a tenth of a frame per minute. 00.04.02 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp143-131.adsl.forthnet.gr) 00.04.15 # markun: great game 00.04.21 # don't remember it... 00.04.23 # yes, I loved it 00.04.24 # markun - yeah, by those french developers 00.04.36 # Eric Sahi or something 00.04.43 # what about a strategy-like game? 00.04.51 # markun: i remember it's greatly involving 00.04.51 # haha 00.04.53 # C&C ? 00.04.58 # yeah, kindof 00.05.00 # markun: did you know that the original author has released a new version of that game? 00.05.03 # or civ ? 00.05.03 # in high res 00.05.07 # like running from that bloody beast in the start, i was perched on the edge of my seat during that 00.05.13 # http://www.anotherworld.fr/anotherworld_uk/index.htm 00.05.21 # tucoz: yes, I knew 00.05.26 # ah, was thinking more along the lines of c&c/starcraft/other-game-like-those 00.05.34 # that was a really great game 00.05.50 # just like prince of persia was 00.05.52 # sharpe - would be REALLY hard on h1xx 00.06.07 # stripwax: :) 00.06.07 # unless it's slow. in which case probably no point 00.06.10 # real time strategy without a mouse ... that would be tough to play 00.06.15 # yep... 00.06.30 # oh. hey. how about porting Astroball 00.06.40 # that is..? 00.06.55 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroball 00.07.02 # just got there 00.07.22 # wow, that screenshow REALLY doesn't do it justice... 00.07.59 # or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marble_Madness or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qbert :) 00.08.08 # bouncing ball platform game. actually I dreamt a similar game about six years before that came out, except in mine the bouncing ball thing had lasers coming out of its ears. 00.08.25 # tron/lightcycles? 00.08.26 # ... okay! 00.08.30 # ah 00.08.44 # (like womlet but without being able to see the entire arena) 00.08.48 # heh 00.08.51 Quit bushblowz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.09.03 # was just thinking... but we have something similar... 00.09.07 # :) 00.10.15 # tron would go a lot faster than wormlet, and no pickups 00.10.33 # yeh 00.10.42 # perhaps some scummvm games will even be possible on the gigabeat.. 00.10.53 # markun - why the gigabeat .. ? 00.11.00 # it has an ultra fast cpu 00.11.00 # 300MHz ARM9 00.11.03 # woah 00.11.19 # scummvm should work just fine on a 66mhz 386, so .. ? 00.11.19 # hahah, what about the sims? heheh... 00.11.22 # hehe 00.11.25 # it might even be able to emulate snes with sound in realtime 00.12.56 # ahah, we can do two play games via headphone ports... 00.13.00 # player 00.13.49 # and a sega emulator maybe 00.14.25 # but first we have to finish the port 00.15.23 # that would be a prerequisite 00.15.50 # We are working on the bootloader 00.16.05 # can you subscribe to updates on specific wiki pages? 00.16.34 # as soon as we have the bootloader working I'll let you know 00.16.58 # heh, i meant about the menu page 00.16.58 # I'll update http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo then as well 00.17.12 # ah :) 00.17.24 # Don't know if that's possible 00.17.39 # ok, first rockbox boot on ipod, here we come ..! 00.17.40 # there is a button 'minor edit (dont notify)' 00.17.45 # so i was curious who it doesn't notify 00.17.49 # * stripwax safely unplugs his hardware.. 00.18.13 # Mikachu: on wikipedia it makes the change not show up in the 'recentchanges' page 00.18.29 # but here I don't think it does anything 00.18.35 # oh 00.19.04 # maybe i should add some descriptive comment to my menu 00.19.33 # Mikachu: hard to see what changes you made 00.19.43 # Maybe you can mark them with a colour or something? 00.19.53 # i don't know, can i? 00.20.23 Part tucoz 00.20.44 # Mikachu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TextFormattingRules 00.21.06 Quit ender` (" /* Return code=1: generic error condition, Return code=2: all other error conditions */") 00.21.09 # %RED% Red %ENDCOLOR% 00.21.55 # fail 00.22.43 Join jlf [0] (i=jlf@otaku.freeshell.ORG) 00.23.43 # what about wolfenstein 3d? :D 00.25.10 # markun: it's very fickle, i have to put the endcolor and color on same indent levels for it to work.. 00.25.18 # sharpe - if there's already doom, what's the point? 00.25.21 # scrabble!!! 00.25.33 # :-D 00.25.50 # I wonder if i should make a keyckain out of the broken UDA chip to remind me to never again connect my h320 to a grounded device while the charger is connected. 00.26.11 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-89.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.27.30 # hm no that's not it 00.29.22 # markun: okay, done 00.30.56 # Mikachu: much clearer 00.31.02 # hmpf. what about a tile-based rpg? 00.31.21 # something like Chaos on the spectrum...? 00.31.26 # markun: i guess i was on drugs earlier, didn't think :) 00.31.32 Part jlf 00.31.34 # i'll tell you as soon as i look that up? 00.31.38 # :-D 00.31.59 # ah... 00.32.04 # not... quite... 00.32.18 # Mikachu: I'm a bit colour blind and though it was red until I read %GREEN% :) 00.32.25 # heh 00.32.44 # sharpe - no worries - what did you have in mind? 00.32.52 # hmm 00.33.10 # you know all of the new-ish rpg games that are tile-like? 00.33.55 # not any new-ish ones :-( 00.34.10 # didn't know they were still in fashion (or in fashion again..) 00.34.26 Quit Poka64 ("z eh, i only said newish because that's... a cool word. 00.35.18 # maybe something like the old ultima games? 00.35.39 # yeah - never played them unfortunately .. 00.36.02 # i'm not a real big rpg kind of person, i'm only thinking of ideas... 00.36.46 Part ashridah ("Konversation terminated!") 00.37.03 # no - I think you're onto something - big clear tiled sprites and maybe even turn-based 00.37.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.37.34 # heheh 00.37.49 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.38.00 # would it be a port, or a completely new game? 00.40.48 # port ff6, plz 00.40.57 # or better yet, port zsnes 00.41.17 # preglow, you're the developer... :-D 00.41.50 # um, why not a completely new game? 00.41.57 # what i was thinking... 00.42.14 # would be more fun to do... 00.42.58 # gotta run, night all 00.42.59 Part stripwax 00.45.02 Quit bagawk (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.34 Quit El_PaTrOn ("I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n 2.0 Build 3515") 00.51.34 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.51.55 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.39 # I was just talking to the guys at #scummvm and they told me it has been ported to ipodlinux! http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=94994&sid=09c231cc7a6b462ee052db43c74cea0d#94994 00.58.07 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-68-95-247-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 00.59.07 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@212.204.41.115) 00.59.59 Part pixelma 01.00.50 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 01.00.58 Join BjoernErik [0] (n=unknown@43.82-134-50.bkkb.no) 01.01.22 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.03.58 Join blaxbb [0] (n=4129f4cf@labb.contactor.se) 01.04.38 Join Aditya|Nap [0] (i=user@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 01.04.51 Part Aditya|Nap 01.05.33 # omfgroflbanana 01.05.58 # acting the fool? 01.06.05 # he doesn't have to act, he's norwegian 01.06.13 # meh 01.06.51 # haha 01.07.04 # * preglow prepares a couple of lethal svenskevitser 01.09.24 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.09.47 # could someone help me i got an error trying to compile 01.11.37 # what would that error be? 01.12.16 # this is what it said after i typed make 01.12.24 # gcc -g rdf2binary.c -o rdf2binary 01.12.35 # make[1]: gcc: Command not found 01.12.50 # to compile, the first thing you need is a compiler 01.12.51 # make[1]: *** [rdf2binary] Error 127 01.12.57 # make: *** [tools] Error 2 01.12.59 # yes, compilers are needed. 01.13.22 Join nar588 [0] (n=nramirez@cpe-66-68-131-224.austin.res.rr.com) 01.13.24 # for compiling, nothing beats having a compiler installed... 01.13.33 # yeah i followed these directions http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 01.13.46 # apparently not very well :) 01.13.53 # lol 01.13.57 # dd you actually install gcc? 01.14.10 # i think so let me check 01.14.22 # and whatever architecture of gcc you need for your rockbox compilation? 01.15.02 # blaxbb: most notably the part in the middle without a screenshot where it asks you to select several packages under Devel 01.15.18 # yeah im checking to see if i got all of those 01.16.27 # yeah i have everything including gcc 01.17.13 # did you start cygwin with the bat file? 01.17.18 # yeah 01.17.26 # then i dunno 01.18.03 # okay... 01.18.06 # is gcc in your path? 01.18.24 # i didnt do that 01.18.27 # :P 01.18.31 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@85-210-22-157.dsl.pipex.com) 01.18.39 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Connection timed out) 01.18.57 # :) 01.19.05 # thanks 01.19.11 # you're welcome 01.19.21 # does it work? 01.19.21 Join Ersan [0] (i=Ersan@66.172.134.250) 01.19.25 # can pluginddoom play heretic? 01.19.39 # no, it is another game 01.19.48 # hm 01.19.49 # k 01.20.00 # thought it was the same engine 01.20.04 # no 01.20.06 # nope 01.25.05 Quit obo ("bye") 01.25.08 # i have to say, the "unofficial installer" from the ipod wizard forums works fairly well 01.25.45 # okay 01.26.25 # however, which folder do roms go into for them to work in rockboy 01.26.37 # you just execute them 01.26.47 # browse to them, and hit select 01.26.54 # then i have a prob 01.27.10 # and that would be...? 01.27.26 # cant find em 01.27.38 # ... 01.27.42 # what do you mean? 01.27.55 # they don't appear in the filebrowser? 01.28.01 # you're using tagcache? 01.28.13 # wtf is tagcache 01.28.21 # then my guess is you're not using it. 01.28.29 # where did you put the roms? 01.28.47 # the just dragged em to the ipod, no directory 01.29.01 # okay, and they don't appear in the file browser? 01.29.17 # if what im looking at is the filebrowzer, no 01.29.32 # next; are they the right extension? 01.29.42 # .gb , .gbc 01.30.12 # is the file browser set to view only music? or all files? or supported files...? 01.30.24 Quit Ersan () 01.30.35 # not sure 01.30.43 # i just installed it, not a pro at it yet 01.31.00 # what version of ipod do you have? 01.31.15 # 4g 01.31.20 # no color 01.31.57 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.32.01 # okay, well, rockboy is only supported on the video and the color at the moment, as far as i know. 01.32.10 # there was a commit recently 01.32.24 # """ 01.32.25 # Update for Rockboy: - fix scaling for other color screens than H300 - full menu rewrite to display choices properly - some small tweaks to code - some formatting updates 01.32.31 # Fix the scaling not being initialized properly. 01.32.33 # """ 01.32.38 # effin a 01.32.42 # i thought it said it would work 01.32.46 # ah well 01.32.54 # i am not sure what players that include 01.33.11 # but i think ipod 4g doesn't have the grayscale lib yet 01.33.19 # nay... 01.33.35 # * nar588 finds an uninstaller 01.33.53 # or you could use rockbox 01.33.56 # well, thank you for trying rockbox. please come again. 01.34.01 # it will rox your sox 01.34.02 # etc 01.34.07 Quit nar588 ("IM LEAVING. YOU CAN SEE THIS BY MY QUITTINGNESS") 01.34.15 # or you could use ipl 01.34.16 # hmm. 01.34.26 # or just go back to the apple firmware. 01.34.31 # or that 01.35.06 # yeppers. 01.35.07 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@43.82-134-50.bkkb.no) 01.35.13 Quit BjoernErik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.45.04 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.46.00 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@h113n5c1o912.bredband.skanova.com) 01.47.34 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 01.49.19 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 01.49.22 Quit lds_ ("Parti") 01.50.51 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@212.204.41.115) 01.57.44 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 02.00.16 # yaaay, i (heavily) modified the old songdb.pl script to generate tagcache files 02.00.50 # can do it all offline now, woo 02.00.51 # hmm... 02.00.56 # yay 02.01.06 # i wonder if i should start working on a tile library for rockbox 02.01.27 Quit Aghaster (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.06 Quit earHertz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.09.05 # er 02.09.09 # something. i'm bored. 02.12.49 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.37.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.37.43 Quit chromoXdor ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.37.45 # WOOT its working 02.37.54 # finally 02.44.56 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-184.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.49.53 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host86-142-223-227.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) 02.50.00 # ping 02.51.05 Quit hardeep ("BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it.") 02.51.18 # request timed out 02.52.54 Part ashridah ("Konversation terminated!") 02.54.03 # pong 02.54.21 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net) 02.54.25 # alternate request took 240000ms 02.54.44 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.55.16 Quit blaxbb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.55.45 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.01.10 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@43.82-134-50.bkkb.no) 03.06.13 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG) 03.10.22 Nick JoeBorn is now known as JBorn (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 03.10.59 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 03.12.40 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-76-211.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 03.14.01 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.21.57 Join Mekrob [0] (n=dummeska@64.252.194.67) 03.22.21 # hi all 03.23.59 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 03.28.21 Quit jd_ () 03.32.17 Part pixelma 03.40.04 Join obithrawn [0] (n=obithraw@66-168-24-64.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) 03.50.42 Part Mekrob 03.57.22 Join Mekrob [0] (n=dummeska@64.252.194.67) 03.58.18 Quit obitharwn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.07.17 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: anything else would be uncivilized") 04.22.24 # busy in here tonight... 04.26.02 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3560699.sympatico.ca) 04.27.51 Join xoder [0] (n=xoder@cpe-72-225-253-120.nyc.res.rr.com) 04.35.02 Quit joe2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.37.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.38.57 # smably_: 50 idlers is busy?? 04.40.52 # JdGordon: sarcasm, get it while it's hot 04.41.54 # :) 04.43.04 # haha :) 04.45.58 # * JdGordon heads of to final exam for the semester :D 04.46.04 # good luck 04.51.31 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-97-28.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 05.01.11 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 05.01.39 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB648AA.ipt.aol.com) 05.02.51 Join lamed [0] (n=590077e5@labb.contactor.se) 05.04.25 # hello, everyone, I just wanted to put a notice on the new hebrew support patch i've made in preparation of the all mighty v3.0. 05.04.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5587 05.06.01 # good morning ... cya In a week or so :) 05.06.04 Quit lamed (Client Quit) 05.06.39 Quit xoder (Remote closed the connection) 05.19.33 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.29.21 Quit TCK (Client Quit) 05.32.22 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 05.34.24 Part Mekrob 05.39.04 Join earHertz [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-30-242-135.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 05.40.12 # Announce: Ipod 5G with accelerated scrolling beta available: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4973.0 05.40.53 # :O 05.52.34 # If I add an entirely new source file and create a diff, will patch corrctly create teh new file? 05.53.02 # possibly. 05.53.15 # That's reassuring. ;( 05.53.19 # :) 05.56.00 Quit lostnihilist (Remote closed the connection) 06.04.14 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-71-202-85-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 06.04.27 # which ipod does this define apply to: #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_4G_PAD && !defined(IPOD_MINI) ? 06.04.35 # er, ipodS 06.04.42 # 4g mini? :-D 06.04.47 # er 06.04.48 # color. 06.04.53 # or 4g. 06.04.56 # wait. 06.04.58 # or video 06.05.03 # photo? 06.05.09 # si... 06.05.20 # the ipods with a clickwheel. 06.05.34 # right, which are teh obnes with clickwheels? 06.05.42 # wait. 06.05.42 # no. 06.05.47 # GaH! 06.06.03 # the ipods that use the 4g keypad layout. 06.06.12 # yeah, yeah, so the define says! 06.06.17 # it's helpful 06.06.26 # but which ipods are those? 06.06.38 # video, nano, color, 4g... 06.06.43 # um... 06.07.44 # probably about it... 06.13.33 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-35-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.27.19 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-66-108-136-179.nyc.res.rr.com) 06.27.50 Quit fiftyfour123 (Client Quit) 06.28.45 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzzz") 06.34.58 Join webguest35 [0] (n=18af7d8b@labb.contactor.se) 06.35.31 # ahoy there anyone? 06.35.37 # barely. 06.35.43 # sorta 06.36.06 # kinda 06.36.19 # maybe 06.36.25 # anybody have an email addy for the developer guys? i have an old iriver i wanted to donate to them. 06.37.18 # did you try... 06.37.27 # looking on the website...? 06.37.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.37.57 Quit lostnihilist (Remote closed the connection) 06.37.59 # yup. it has mailing lists, but no emails for ppl. 06.38.06 # that i found. maybe i didnt see it 06.40.21 # huh, yeah, the faq sayxs to check out irc, cuz they dont give out contact info 06.40.31 # heheh. 06.40.35 # well then. 06.41.00 # we'll just have to do something about that, then won't we? 06.41.26 # lol. well, yes, i suppose we will then. perhaps. 06.42.36 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 06.42.45 # hardeep! 06.42.54 # sharpe! 06.42.59 # you're a developer! 06.43.05 # you tell him. 06.43.09 # i am indeed 06.43.15 # er, tell who 06.43.16 # hardeep! 06.43.17 # oh 06.43.18 # i'm just an Expert. 06.43.26 # :) 06.43.33 # webguest35: you want to look for Bagder for LinusN 06.43.39 # * scorche growls at sharpe 06.43.42 # s/for/or 06.43.56 # :D 06.43.59 # hey, the HD in my iriver went dead (i think) and i was wondering if the develeoprs wanted it for testing firmware or somehting 06.44.06 # ihp-120 06.44.12 # * scorche wonders why he isnt special enough for the "rockbox expert" 06.44.16 # * scorche sobs 06.44.23 # * sharpe hands tissues. 06.44.27 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-35-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.45.20 # badger or linusn. is there an email or IM or something for them? promise id keep it secret. 06.45.31 # it's in the wiki 06.45.46 # webguest35: you can always pm them in the forums as well 06.45.50 # thx, ill go look there. 06.45.52 # indeed 06.46.02 # hey, if neither of them wants it, i'd be happy to take it off your hands ;) 06.46.02 # yeah, but, im like, lazy, you know, dont want to make an account and all that. 06.46.13 # hehe 06.46.40 # you could just, look in the wiki for 'LinusNielsen', or 'DanielStenberg' 06.47.42 # and, like smably_ said, if they don't want it, i'm sure there'd be people who'd be glad to take it off your hands... 06.48.22 # anbody tried my ipod scroll accel beta yet? 06.48.29 # i'm scared... 06.48.39 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-184.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.48.40 # to do so... 06.48.45 # sharpe: why? 06.48.57 # because... 06.49.17 # it's... just... 06.49.28 # sharpe: are you william shatner? 06.49.36 # no? 06.50.02 # you... talk... just... like... him. 06.50.22 # no,... it's, more like, this... you know...? 06.51.10 # he uses more pauses, and not tailing ellipsis... 06.51.13 # trailing... 06.51.21 # uh, yeah 06.51.49 # it's funny with the 'payment' of the build :) 06.52.18 # I just want to check out teh debug info. 06.52.40 # ah 06.52.41 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 06.53.43 # oh noes! like four different posts, by you! 06.53.49 # yeah 06.54.09 # I dunno if everybody reads ipod general 06.54.10 # wait for it, 06.54.21 # "sp4mm4|2!!!!1!!1" 06.54.28 Part ashridah ("Konversation terminated!") 06.54.48 # yeah, my build enl4g3s your p3n1s 06.55.24 # for the low low price of 19.95$ 06.55.48 # and a mysterious order from out of country places... 06.55.48 # in 10 easy payments of $2 06.55.52 # get custom built rockbox enhancement patches today 06.56.00 # from Nigeria 06.56.01 # BUT WAIT!!!! 06.56.05 # there's more!!! 06.56.08 # BUT, he's gay 06.56.09 # if you order in the next 10 min 06.56.24 Quit webguest35 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.56.29 # http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22062006/80-132/beware-conmen-uk-nigeria-tells-citizens.html 06.57.39 # you just ruined it... 06.57.58 # i know, i am good at ruining things 06.58.06 # how... could you? 06.58.19 # i posted a link, weren't you looking? 06.58.50 # um. no. my blind spot keeps extending to your last two messages... 06.58.56 # so i can't see them. 06.59.02 # ahah. 06.59.09 # i am so bored... 06.59.39 # and i don't want to work on any feature requests or bugs... because i can't. :) 06.59.57 # maybe you should get a gamecube 07.00.29 # i don't want to? 07.00.42 # 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earHertz, hm, you're quite serious about this beta patch.. posting it on IRC, at the mailinglist, and in the forums, even setting up a special email address for feedback? :) 07.37.39 # yeah 07.37.47 # I want feedback on it 07.37.49 # two forums even.. 07.37.54 # four 07.37.56 # what patch what 07.38.05 # THREE? 07.38.07 # four?! 07.38.10 # Ersan: scroll acceleration on teh ipod 07.38.16 # someone's a bit insane.. 07.38.18 # gangsteriffic? 07.38.38 # midkay: with all the forums, I don't know which ones people read. I mean, I generally only read teh 5g forum 07.38.55 # ipod general sounds best, since it's for any.. 07.39.01 # So I wanted to be sure people had a chance to see the annouce 07.39.01 # but doesn't really matter i suppose. 07.39.44 # I also wanted to put the differnt builds in teh right subfora, so people wopuld install the right one for their hardware 07.40.35 # moot-ish point, since you could maybe label the builds as "this is for 4g, this is for 5g" in one post? :) 07.40.48 # yeah, eventually I did that 07.41.01 # I hadn't initially planned on teh 4g buiilds 07.41.35 Quit hardeep ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 07.42.41 # It's a bit spammy, but it ensures everyonr interested in the ipod sees it 07.43.48 # nods 07.44.31 # is it um 07.44.33 # useful? 07.44.51 # if you have tagcache 07.44.59 # oh 07.45.11 # ipod firmware has it already didn't know that 07.45.12 # basically, as you scroll faster, the list is scrolled by page or percent 07.45.28 # yea it takes forever to scroll through all the songs 07.45.43 # wheres the link? 07.46.05 # right, with this I can scroll through 8600 in about 11 seconds 07.46.23 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4973.0 07.46.42 # oh 07.46.43 # i have a nano 07.46.54 # earHertz, i think the apple firmware's method is just about perfect.. and i think #entries is better than #pages.. if you have a huge font, you don't get so far very fast.. 07.47.03 # midkay: does the nano use the 4g keypad? 07.47.08 # earHertz, yep. 07.47.32 # midkay: how about percent of entries? 07.47.49 # something like that, yeah.. 07.49.05 # Yeah, I'm going to make the jump amonts configurable, page or percent 07.49.18 # either patch work on nano? 07.49.32 # Ersan: it's not a patch, I haven't released the code 07.49.41 # o.o 07.49.42 # I'm building youi a nano right now 07.49.50 # oh 07.50.08 # its a compiled release? 07.50.11 # I want to get some feedback before I release a patch 07.50.39 # It adds a new file, and modifies button.[ch] and lisy.[ch] 07.50.41 # list 07.50.53 # k 07.51.02 # Ersan: i'M COMPILING the nano now 07.52.32 # And the compile includes my lcd framerate patch too 07.53.05 # erm 07.53.07 # and that does what 07.53.44 # it'sd only for the video. it incereases the framerate by 1 frame per second, or about 5% 07.53.53 # o 07.54.51 # http://diffenbach.org/rockbox/scrollaccelbeta/nano/rockbox.zip 07.55.26 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.8.6) 07.55.38 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.56.36 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@208-110-158-11.customer.csolutions.net) 07.58.55 # thx 07.59.01 # ill try it when i get home 07.59.10 # hi 08.02.42 Join muesli|delhi [0] (n=muesli_t@125.23.52.85) 08.02.58 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-25-216.austin.res.rr.com) 08.05.23 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Client Quit) 08.10.33 Quit Ersan () 08.12.28 # new version of the remote patch, in case anyone cares: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4860 08.12.32 # time for sleep now! 08.12.40 Nick smably_ is now known as smably (n=smably@CPE00045ad69b08-CM0012c9a07828.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 08.29.10 Quit Jungti1234 () 08.31.05 Part daurnimator 08.37.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.41.24 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 08.41.39 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-95-157.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.44.49 Join elljay [0] (i=lj@spamshack.org) 08.44.55 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.48.58 # time to ask a dumb question. can i ever restore my ipod nano back to factory after the firmware install? 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10.26.20 # nay 10.26.25 # ahhhhhh 10.26.34 # thought so 10.26.50 # I am still struggling with the coordinate system :( 10.27.12 # wha do you know about real sin, log and atan functions 10.27.15 # should they work? 10.31.57 # I think they're not available in rockbox, no? 10.32.14 # preglow did some work on it iirc 10.32.49 Join Bg3r [0] (n=Bager@87.246.10.62) 10.32.58 # hey! 10.34.54 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 10.35.47 Quit finik- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.35.48 # hi ;) 10.36.06 # long time ;) 10.36.09 # yep 10.36.14 # no time for RB at all :( 10.36.38 # amiconn congrats for the ISP1362 sleeping bug;) 10.36.59 # * petur gets msg from net admin about internet disconnect coming up in 10 minutes :/ 10.37.07 Join sadeness_ [0] (n=LamersIn@217.74.245.105) 10.37.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.38.03 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496710A.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.39.27 # yesterday i observed a very strange behaveour from my H340 (it seems to be caused by the battery) ... 10.39.44 # *behaviour 10.40.26 # finik: Out of curiosity, why do you need to use real latitude and longitude? 10.40.31 # i booted the iriver fw (haha, this happens usually only when i'm charging it) to show a friend of mine some funny videos 10.41.16 # apart from things like remote and main units's LCDs contrast being very strangely set 10.41.26 # known issue 10.41.34 # yep 10.41.38 # something is corruption retailos settings 10.41.53 # but the strange thing was other one 10.42.11 # after 10 minutes (or so) of watching the video 10.42.34 # the unit just turned off 10.42.53 # (the battery was shown with full bar in the iriver fw) 10.43.18 # reboot ... 10.43.21 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@pension-icom.intercom.net.ua) 10.43.33 # (into iriver fw again) 10.43.56 # u know, it scans all disk in the beginning ... while doing it, it powered off again... 10.44.00 # reboot in rockbox 10.44.15 # bootloader showed something like 60% battery ... 10.44.32 # rockbox with dircache ... while on the RB logo ... power off again 10.45.08 # after some time i successed in booting the iriver fw again... starting the video -> power off... 10.45.48 # and i stopped trying 10.46.52 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.47.34 # 2-3 hours later i went home ... started the unit, bootloader showed something like 3.55V ..., plugged the charger immediately after that and the battery started to charge from about 14% .. 10.47.53 # unplugged it, played some songs ... the indicator went up to ~60-65% ... 10.48.03 # rebooted it in the iriver fw 10.48.10 # started playing some songs again 10.48.26 # it didn't power off 10.48.29 # any ideas ? 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It's crap. 10.55.26 # ok, but the bootloader showed something like 3.55V .. 10.55.38 # aa, yes, i forgot something 10.56.22 # the last times i tried to boot the iriver fw, its "boot loader" (after the rockbox's one) showed "low battery" 11.00.05 Join San [0] (n=undergro@213-202-184-254.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 11.00.06 Quit Sanitarium (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.00.19 # does all this mean that the battery voltage is falling curtly during the disk scan ? 11.01.04 # got to go.... 11.01.11 Quit petur ("later") 11.05.37 Part Thoughts_ 11.09.59 Join saa[b_r]ider [0] (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.104.192) 11.10.10 # hello everyone.. 11.10.25 # hello, saa[b_r]ider 11.10.47 # this is the first time I try to download from CVS, but I'm having a tiny technical difficulty 11.11.07 # using XP and cygwin.. cygwin supposedly installed properly 11.12.17 # I get "failed to open .cvspass for reading: No such file or directory" 11.12.28 # but there is a .cvspass file in the proper directory, is it looking for a folder? 11.12.39 # or is my .cvspass file corrupted? 11.17.46 # it will create one after it gives the error.. so you should only get it once. 11.18.18 # it's not a fatal error, either.. it's just "hey, this doesn't exist, i'm making it". 11.18.26 # or at least it shouldn't be. 11.20.31 # I didn't notice if it was there before or not, and since it didn't say it was creating it, I assumed it was having trouble reading/accessing it 11.23.31 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 11.27.20 # sweet, it's downloading :) 11.28.30 # :) 11.29.12 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-136-158.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.29.53 # preglow, around? 11.30.38 # in that case, do you know what keymap I should select in the vmware image, for norwegian layout. I can choose Standard or latin1 11.32.32 # whatever I choose, I only get a us keymap 11.33.29 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@246.80-202-167.nextgentel.com) 11.34.16 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 11.34.48 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 11.38.40 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 11.38.48 Join voyager [0] (n=d4f929ce@labb.contactor.se) 11.39.18 Quit voyager (Client Quit) 11.49.04 Join daurnimat [0] (n=quae@202.52.48.92) 11.49.06 # hi all 11.49.17 # i'm wondering what the best lossless codec is 11.49.30 # wavpack, flac, ape or wma 11.53.09 # For me FLAC is the best because is "less" CPU intensive than others 11.53.30 # Though wma is lossy codec, not lossless 11.53.31 # hi daurnimat, I have no experience with lossless, but I doubt anyone would say wma (no one likes microsoft) 11.53.44 # Genre9mp3: There's a lossless wma codec. 11.53.51 # linuxstb: Really? 11.53.52 # Genre9mp3: they may have a lossless... there you go 11.54.07 # microsoft brought out a wma lossless 11.54.09 # Genre9mp3: Yes. But it's not supported by many (if any) portables. 11.54.14 # Genre9mp3: just like aac, there's lossy and lossless 11.54.15 # its not their thing to conform 11.54.15 # :S 11.54.24 # saa[b_r]ider: aac is only lossy.... 11.54.41 # apple have a lossless aac, 11.54.48 # m4a is apples 11.54.50 # isn't it? 11.54.54 # No, Apple have "Apple Lossless" - it's nothing to do with AAC. 11.54.56 # (ALAC) 11.55.08 # m4a is just the generic MPEG-4 container format. 11.55.22 # linuxstb: right, but what's the file extension for the apple lossless? 11.55.22 # ALAC fits in mpeg-4 container 11.55.26 # Apple use the MPEG-4 container with either AAC or their own lossless format. 11.55.39 # saa[b_r]ider: i believe m4a 11.55.52 # linuxstb: Well, never care of wma actually, so that's why, my ignorance on lossy wma 11.55.53 # Yes, it's m4a. But m4a != aac 11.56.01 # its alac 11.56.03 # not aac 11.56.04 # :S 11.56.06 # apple will start selling lossless DRM songs on iTunes 11.56.18 # * linuxstb spots hell freezing over 11.56.40 # hehehe 11.56.47 # Also, there's another lossy codec, the TrueAudio (.tta) 11.57.03 # But it's quite similar to ape 11.57.14 # from what i'm reading on comparisons 11.57.20 # wavpack always seems to win 11.57.20 # daurnimat: But going back to your question, I wouldn't use APE because of the restrictive license, and WMA for the same reason. 11.57.45 # so no complaints for wavpack 11.57.50 # (i want to rerip about 400 cds) 11.58.05 # Genre9mp3: do you compile your build or use a kosh/norbu/drippy build? 11.58.13 Quit bluebrother ("bbl") 11.58.13 # wavpack can compress slightly better than FLAC, but at the expense of a slightly increased decoding time (at least in Rockbox). 11.58.30 # saa[b_r]ider: I compile my own build 11.58.30 # one comparison that looks unbiased: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lossless_comparison 11.58.49 # Genre9mp3: do you use the backlight filter patch? 11.58.53 # yes 11.59.06 Join _Voyager_ [0] (i=EnolaGay@195-240-241-41.dial.ip.tiscali.nl) 11.59.12 # <_Voyager_> morning 11.59.18 # Genre9mp3 how about the record button assignemnt patch? 11.59.21 # so 11.59.26 # flac vs wavpack 11.59.32 # _Voyager_ evening 11.59.33 Part pixelma 11.59.48 # saa[b_r]ider: You mean the record button use in WPS? 12.00.02 # Genre9mp3 ie one press-> playlist etc 12.00.03 # yeah 12.00.29 # Yes, I also use that, but not the latest (the one that you configure the action) 12.00.37 # daurnimat: The good thing about lossless is that you can change your choice in the future - if you go with FLAC now, but then decide in the future you want wavpack, you can just do a batch transcode of all your files. 12.00.39 # I only need to go to the playlist 12.01.15 # also, whats the speed of (eg) transcoding wavpack or flac to mp3 (for smaller filesizes on an mp3 player) 12.01.46 # On a PC, I don't think you would notice any decoding differences in the two. The bottleneck will be the mp3 encoding. 12.01.49 # Genre9mp3: since you use both (backlight filter + rec button in WPS) now the third question :) there's a patch that includes the rec button in the backlight filter, do you use that? 12.02.39 # so, can someone choose for me? 12.02.43 # flac or wavpack 12.02.43 # no, haven't noticed that 12.02.57 # daurnimat: I recently re-ripped my entire CD collection, and chose FLAC. 12.03.03 # saa[b_r]ider: The one that norbusan made, right? 12.03.12 # Genre9mp3: yeah.. 12.03.20 # linuxstb: what were your main reasons for that choice? 12.03.27 # saa[b_r]ider: no, I don't use that 12.03.37 # daurnimat: One point to remember about FLAC in Rockbox is that you need a full seektable. So add "--seekpoint=1s" to your encoding options. 12.03.50 # saa[b_r]ider: Didn't quite understand what it does, but anyway 12.03.55 # Genre9mp3: it seems that his patch needs to be applied after patching the toher two 12.03.57 # linuxstb: i don't have rockbox 12.04.04 # just came here cause you guys are in the know 12.04.07 # ^other 12.04.19 # saa[b_r]ider: Very possible 12.04.53 # Genre9mp3: ok, does the backlight filter patch have the correct button names for the H300? 12.05.07 # daurnimat: Mainly because it's the most efficient codec in Rockbox. But also because it's the most widely supported open source lossless codec. 12.05.14 # Genre9mp3: as in navi not select, or a-b not mode etc... 12.05.19 # saa[b_r]ider: What do you mean by that? 12.06.18 # daurnimat: Also, the command-line "oggenc" vorbis encoder can encode vorbis files directly from FLAC files, and I'll probably have to start using vorbis on my Rockbox players soon due to disk space. 12.06.25 # <_Voyager_> 3 12.06.46 # Genre9mp3: when you enter the option to configure the backlight behavior when buttons are pushed, does it use H100 button names, or the correct H300 button names? 12.07.22 # saa[b_r]ider: the H300 button names... NAVI, A-B 12.08.04 # awesome... thanks 12.08.30 # anyway...got to go 12.08.35 # see you later 12.08.37 # linuxstb: hmm, ok 12.09.46 # daurnimat: But as I said, it doesn't really matter. You can change your mind in the future without having to rerirp. 12.09.50 # ^rerip 12.11.18 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.12.02 # well 12.12.08 # does wavpack still have 2 files? 12.12.17 Nick ^BeN^ is now known as Paprica (i=Paprica@85-250-150-155.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.13.11 # daurnimat: I assume you mean the hybrid mode. That's optional. 12.13.20 # cool 12.13.27 # By default, wavpack will give you a single lossless file. 12.13.42 # if i do choose it, (the hybrid), how big is each file? 12.16.27 # I've never tried it. But I would expect the lossy file to be about the same size as any other lossy file (obviously depending on the chosen bitrate), and then the correction file would be slightly more than the size of a normal lossless file minus the size size of the lossy file. 12.16.48 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 12.16.56 # i.e. lossy + correction slightly more than lossless 12.17.31 # cause 12.17.37 # that wouldn't be bad with all that 12.17.48 # just have the lossy one on my portable player 12.17.56 # and both parts on my computer 12.18.13 # So what portable do you have? 12.19.31 # archos gmini 402 12.19.58 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 12.21.20 # So does that support wavpack? 12.24.50 # nope 12.24.55 # just mp3 & wma 12.25.02 # but - i'm sure i can code something up 12.25.03 # ;) 12.27.15 # ok 12.27.19 # ripping first cd 12.27.23 # (in wavpack) 12.27.31 # hybrid - lossy @ 192kbps 12.27.54 # 10x Real Time encoding 12.29.50 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.29.50 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.30.06 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3121.gwdg.de) 12.33.23 Quit _Voyager_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.37.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.49.14 # ok 12.49.18 # off topic question 12.49.30 # but does any1 have Gipsy Kings Greatest Hits Cd? 12.49.45 # mines fairly scrathed, and theres a song i want from it in lossless 12.55.04 Quit tucoz ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 13.03.17 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.09.02 Join jd_ [0] (n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos) 13.15.46 Join Zweiundvierzig [0] (n=r00t@dslb-088-065-074-034.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.16.12 # Morning 13.16.25 Nick Zweiundvierzig is now known as apo` (n=r00t@dslb-088-065-074-034.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.16.32 # the answer to life and everything is here 13.17.25 # Indeed 13.20.26 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-39-1.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.24.15 # arcor ip, hmm germans tend to have the answer to everything 13.26.40 # Well, I was just asking myself what to use as my alternative nickname. And the answer to everything probably also includes the answer to that question :P 13.29.02 # how do I make my ipod not go into disk mode when I plug it into hte compter? 13.29.08 # I just want it to charge 13.30.43 # turn the computer off? 13.31.02 # pressing menu did the trick 13.31.07 # * toed should have read the faq first 13.31.21 # anyone used trac before? 13.31.28 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.32.40 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3011.gwdg.de) 13.37.26 # I am having a discussion in #speex about dynamic vs static memory allocation in speex/rockbox, is there any reasons to not have dynamic memory allocations? (i.e. use malloc)? 13.38.36 Join jmspeex [0] (n=jmspeex@142.163.233.220.exetel.com.au) 13.39.03 # Guess this chan would be appropriate to discuss Speex integration... 13.39.33 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-90-238.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.40.32 # freqmod: rockbox has no free memory because we want the largest possible buffer for the audio data 13.40.39 # freqmod: There are lots of reasons - mainly it wastes space. 13.41.19 # i am trying to convice jmspeex why it is a good idea... 13.41.37 # why what exactly is a good idea? 13.41.41 # freqmod: you can 'malloc' inside your own buffer, but that has to have the works case size anyway, so then you are back at static allocation 13.41.50 # ok 13.42.04 # worst case.. 13.42.40 # well 13.42.46 # it seems lossless ain't that good 13.42.48 # It is possible that I have misinterpreted this discussion: http://pastebin.ca/69743 13.42.50 # file sizes are huge 13.42.51 # :S 13.42.53 # daurnimat: why not? 13.42.58 # of course.. 13.43.10 # 50mb a song in lossless 13.43.15 # or 75mb raw 13.43.42 # daurnimat: it also depends on the songs. Some compress better. 13.44.35 # daurnimat: That ratio (66%) is about average. Some music will compress more, some even less. 13.44.39 # lossless is great for the nerds who rip their cds in order to have an orgasmic experience of music on their $500 portable musicplayer 13.45.14 # lou: Not a fan of lossles then? 13.45.24 # (add an s there) 13.45.37 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=undergro@A-78-124.cust.iol.ie) 13.46.54 # well 13.47.02 # i want better compression 13.47.03 # :S 13.47.51 # linuxstb, i think its overkill for almost every situation 13.48.16 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 13.48.31 Join shay [0] (n=shay@unaffiliated/shay) 13.48.38 # hello worlks 13.48.52 # has someone though about working on Creative Nomad Jukeboxes? 13.50.04 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.50.26 # lou: Yes, it's probably overkill, but it's simple and it's guaranteed. I'm just too lazy to worry about lossy formats - with lossless, I know I've got the best possible quality, and have enough disk space for it. 13.50.42 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3011.gwdg.de) 13.50.53 # i on the other hand 13.51.10 # will probably need more diskspace at this rate 13.51.50 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 13.51.56 # linuxstb, :) 13.52.06 # i am concerned about my diskspace 13.52.22 # hrm... no jdgordon 13.52.36 # safetydan: He said yesterday that he wouldn't be around for a few days. 13.52.38 # which brings me to the fact that i need a new ipod 13.52.44 # because the one i have is full 13.52.46 # :< 13.53.21 # ah well, guess I'll just have to actually read his remote lcd equalizer ui patch 13.53.30 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.53.41 # Any plans for supporting Speex *encoding* in rockbox? 13.54.04 # I believe a 75 MHz 7tdmi should be able to do it now. 13.54.16 # Does the encoder require floating point operations? 13.54.27 # not in narrowband 13.54.35 # lou: get something else instead 13.54.40 # like a gmini 13.54.41 # ^_^ 13.55.04 # a 75 MHz arm isn't enough for wideband anyway, but narrowband should be possible at 6 kbps and probably 8 kbps 13.55.13 # Not a single float op required. 13.56.38 # jmspeex: what kind of speeds do you need for wideband? 13.57.16 # jmspeex: Also, Rockbox doesn't support recording on ipods yet - but I'm planning on working on it after Rockbox 3.0 is released. 13.57.18 # about 2x more I'd say. 13.57.38 # Well, ipods have 2x75MHz arm7tdmi 13.57.47 # (dual-core) 13.58.43 # daurnimat, that thing looks bulky 13.58.50 # In theory, it may be feasible, but it would require 1) lots more ARM assembly and 2) parallelizing Speex, which it highly non-trivial. 13.59.05 # looking at the xs202s 13.59.32 # ...unless the core is faster than the last I played with. What's the cache size and bus bandwidth? 13.59.50 # so I guess that nobody is working on getting Rockbox on Creative Nomad devices.. 14.00.01 # The main thing that sucks about ARM is the multiplier 14.00.53 # Each core has it's own unified 8KB cache. 14.01.15 # But Rockbox also runs on other CPUs - e.g. 124MHz Coldfires (m68k based) 14.01.32 # And maybe some faster ARMs in the future. 14.02.15 # Key is how many cycles per MAC (or MACs per cycle) 14.02.54 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.02.57 # I think the ARM7 takes 4 cycles/MAC. 14.03.15 # Then coldfire is definitely faster 14.04.19 # the ipod core doesn't have the dsp-like instructions by any any chance, does it? 14.06.14 # BTW, could anyone provide me access to an ARM box? 14.06.52 # Speex used to have good assembly for ARM, but it's suffered from bitrot ever since the ipaqs at handhelds.org have gone offline. 14.08.12 # jmspeex: ARM box?? 14.09.06 # i.e. an ARM machine I can log on to and compile/run Speex. 14.09.07 Nick daurnimat is now known as daurnimator (n=quae@202.52.48.92) 14.13.24 # BTW, does rockbox support any of my players -- Rio Karma and iRiver 799? 14.13.37 # There is a semi-working port to the 799 14.13.55 # (which has an ARM) 14.14.10 # didn't know that. What speed does it run? 14.14.28 Join i [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd11e.f.strato-dslnet.de) 14.15.26 # The Rockbox port is documented here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfpPort 14.15.53 # ahh 14.16.00 Quit i (Nick collision from services.) 14.16.14 Join SereRokR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd11e.f.strato-dslnet.de) 14.16.24 # jmspeex: the arm4 asm in speex is all we can use 14.17.14 # i tried the arm5e, and it worked fine. 14.17.19 # it did? 14.17.21 # seriously? 14.17.28 # you're certain you enabled it correctly? 14.17.32 # no 14.18.16 # i changed #ifdef ARM5E_ASM to #ifdef ARM5E_ASM || defined (CPU_ARM) 14.18.42 # in arch.h, but my battery has been a little funny afterwards, maybe it isn't wise to try it 14.18.53 # well, that should trigger it... 14.19.01 # i doubt that would trigger any battery anomalies 14.19.06 # I think you wanted #if defined(ARM5E_ARM) || defined(CPU_ARM) 14.19.27 # Or maybe not.... 14.20.02 # likely, all the other defines is in paranteses 14.20.29 # ahaha 14.20.31 # yes 14.20.39 # you'd want want linuxstb says 14.20.42 # freqmod: Just put "#warning test" inside the #ifdef to see if it's being compiled. 14.20.55 # i seriously doubt arm5 asm will work 14.21.08 # but if it does, i won't exactly fret 14.21.21 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 14.21.45 # preglow: I *think* it's ARM5E assembly, but it may be supported by other archs 14.21.59 # jmspeex: coldfire has a 1cycle/32 bit mac througput, would that do at 125mhz for encoding? 14.22.24 # jmspeex: yeah, but i had a look at the code, and those extended mac instructions should not be on the ipod arm 14.22.26 # Basically, the *really* useful ARM instruction is smlabb 14.23.36 # preglow: 125 MMACs peak would definitely be enough for most (all?) the narrowband modes. Maybe some wideband modes as well with a bit of assembly. 14.23.37 Quit SereRokR ("XChat Aqua") 14.23.59 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd11e.f.strato-dslnet.de) 14.24.18 # jmspeex: sure, we need to use assembly to utilise the mac unit 14.24.49 # jmspeex: btw, as far as i could see, speex uses mostly 32 bit wide multiplies, is that so? 14.24.53 # yeah you have to use #if if you want to use || 14.26.05 # preglow: no, Speex uses only 16x16 multiplies 14.26.30 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.26.32 # jmspeex: yeah, that's what i meant 14.26.35 # 32 bit results 14.26.49 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-179-106-114.dsl.pipex.com) 14.26.50 # then the coldfire mac unit will perform very well 14.27.11 # i'm planning to do the coldfire optimising for speex once i get time 14.27.22 # but you're also saying the arm opts in speex isn't all that anymore? 14.27.29 # Yes, that's what I use pretty much everywhere. There used to be lots of 16x32 that were implemented using 16x16, but I removed most of them in the svn version. 14.27.58 # * freqmod is testing arm5Easm on ipod 14.28.43 # preglow: When I replaced 16x32 by 16x16, it obsoleted lots of ARM assembly. So the ARM port got slower while the rest got faster. 14.29.21 # 16x16 multiplies are plain mla's on arm 14.29.27 # it should be sped if anything 14.29.35 # sped up, that is 14.30.07 # arm5Easm is working like a charm 14.30.20 # freqmod: please do a dissasembly 14.30.26 # and check if you can actually find the instructions in question 14.30.41 # how do I do that? 14.31.00 # isn't it easier to do the savetemps thing in gcc? 14.31.04 # arm-elf-objdump -d libspeex.a or whatever 14.31.08 # then search for smlabb 14.31.16 # preglow: yes, the compiler would generate mla, but I lose the benefit of hand-coded assembly. 14.31.24 # Mikachu: i don't think so, but whatever floats your boat 14.31.34 # jmspeex: yeah, but my point is, it shouldn't be too hard to adapt the assembly 14.32.28 # preglow: sure, probably not that hard, but I don't have access to an ARM machine anymore. 14.32.30 # Error running "arm-elf-objdump -d speex.codec": speex.codec: File format not recognized 14.32.39 # preglow: BTW, is the cache write-through or write-back. 14.33.07 # freqmod: you have to do it on the elf file 14.33.16 # i think 14.33.28 # or maybe you can tell it it's a raw binary 14.33.35 # that works 14.34.08 # jmspeex: i could try to do it 14.34.15 # Some of the functions (e.g. filter_mem16) assume that write speed == read speed and (I just realized) need to be rewritten if the cache is write-through. 14.34.16 # jmspeex: but i don't have time right now, but give me a week and i might 14.34.29 # preglow: rey what? 14.34.32 # try 14.34.34 # rewriting the arm asm 14.34.41 # btw, we really don't know what the cache is 14.34.46 # OK, that would be nice. 14.34.51 # the ipod hardware has no docs at all 14.34.57 # at least not the core chip 14.35.05 # preglow: easy to check. What's the write speed if you write in a small buffer. 14.35.14 # ahh, yeah, but no one has checked yet := 14.35.15 # :) < 14.36.12 # No smlawb in http://pastebin.ca/69777 14.37.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.38.11 # freqmod: doesn't look to me like you have enabled any opts at all 14.38.12 # preglow: on Blackfin, enabling write-back gave us about 20% in speed. 14.39.16 # that is, maybe arm4 14.39.25 # jmspeex: yeah, i don't doubt that 14.39.34 # unfortunately, we really have no idea how to do cache control 14.39.39 # we know how to enable it, that's pretty much it 14.39.52 # doing make clean.. 14.40.48 # preglow: well, when you know it's write-through you can do some damage-control (by reversing some loops, you can have more reads and less writes). 14.40.59 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@208-110-158-11.customer.csolutions.net) 14.41.00 Join bluebrother [0] (i=hPot9ZWV@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 14.42.31 Quit dark ("changing servers") 14.42.39 Nick jd_ is now known as jd_away (n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos) 14.42.50 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081C645.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.43.08 # heh 14.43.09 # let's hope it's not 14.43.45 # jmspeex: anywho 14.43.45 Join dark [0] (i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com) 14.43.48 # jmspeex: we also have some sram 14.43.59 # I managed to enable it: got selected processor does not support:smulwb,smulwb,smulbb 14.44.05 # safetydan: I don't like the way the EQ-on-remote patch you committed is hard-coded to do different things for SCREEN_MAIN and SCREEN_REMOTE - IMO the screen drawing routines should check for display characteristics like width/height/depth instead and adapt itself appropriately. 14.44.07 # jmspeex: i assume we will have room to put all important data, filter coefs and so on, in sram 14.44.19 # jmspeex: and in that case we don't really have to worry 14.44.25 # preglow: how much sram have you got? 14.44.35 # jmspeex: about 48kbps allocated to codecs at the moment 14.44.43 # ehh 14.44.43 # kb 14.45.13 # so 6 kB. I guess the data would fit (not the code though) 14.45.40 # ahh, no, 48kB 14.45.40 # linuxstb, it's not great no, but the screen's drawn are so different between the two that it's a bit hard to have a single routine that just adapts to screen size 14.45.43 # i'm not too big on caps 14.45.49 # as in 48 kilobytes 14.46.12 # jmspeex: in all our other codecs, data has always been what gains most by being put in sram 14.46.29 # then i enabled it in the ifdef, with arm4asm outside, and got an error in arm5easm, then removed arm4asm, and the it compiles 14.46.38 # * freqmod thinks arm-elf-gcc acts strange 14.46.49 # 48 kB is definitely enough for data and about half the code. 14.46.55 # freqmod: that's what i thought 14.47.01 # jmspeex: then hooray! 14.47.08 # jmspeex: we'll have to be rid of all the mallocs for that, though 14.47.13 # erm... why am I getting an error trying to register with flyspray? 14.47.35 # freqmod: as in arm7tdmi does not support those instructions 14.47.45 # but if speex only uses 16x16 bit multiplies now, it really doesn't matter 14.47.47 # preglow: it's easy to override speex_alloc() to use any allocation you want. 14.48.04 # jmspeex: i'd rather we use static allocation 14.48.16 # jmspeex: we don't need multiple instances of any codec, so we'll be fine with static allocation 14.48.23 # and we won't waste any ram 14.48.26 # preglow: still *does* matter. mla is 4 cycles, whereas smlabb is only one i think. 14.48.35 # jmspeex: oh, ok then 14.48.41 # jmspeex: bah, of course it is 14.48.51 # jmspeex: but anyway, nothing to be done about it 14.48.53 # anyone? I can't register with the patch tracker 14.48.54 # speex_alloc() can just return an offset into your static mem. 14.49.22 # jmspeex: sure, but we'd also like to be rid of all the other mallocs 14.49.40 # jmspeex: right now we keep a 512kB buffer for mallocs, which is 512kB wasted mp3 buffer 14.49.57 # jmspeex: do you do any reallocing? 14.50.35 # what do you mean the *other* mallocs? 14.51.30 # jmspeex: ah, ok, so all malloced data will fit in sram? 14.51.41 # reallocing as in realloc()? Only in one place and as a safeguard for people who try doing things they shouldn't do. 14.52.10 # problem triggered by erronous files or erronous library use? 14.52.36 # If it is an errornous file why don't make that an error (display a message)? 14.52.43 # speex_alloc() is only called at init time. Speex requires in the order of 2 kB per encoder state, plus about 2 kB of scratch space (or stack). 14.53.04 # safetydan: If that's the case, then you could have two functions, but call them based on display characteristics. I'm thinking of the future when we may have the EQ on the Archos (small main display), or larger remotes capable of the full display. 14.53.06 # jmspeex: that sounds really great 14.53.09 Quit theli_ua ("by all") 14.53.40 # Is there any malloc'ing in libogg? 14.53.51 # preglow: problems only if someone attempts to put lots (>>10) Speex frames in one packet, which is illegal (for an Ogg Speex file anyway). 14.53.54 # jmspeex: btw, how many corners is it possible to cut doing speex encoding? i haven't used speex in any apps for a long time so can't remember 14.54.15 # preglow: what do you mean by cutting corners? 14.54.26 # well, sacrificing quality for speed 14.54.32 # yes, and Tremors libogg has a memory corruption problem when using it with speex (libogg1.1.3 works) 14.54.32 # i'd really love it if rockbox could do speex encoding 14.54.42 # preglow: there's a complexity setting that controls speed vs quality. 14.55.38 # i tested different complexities, and it didn't affect decoding, (indtroduce delays in realtime NB&WB decoding) 14.55.44 Quit Siku () 14.55.50 # I recommend quality 1. There's also a quality 0 and a few more speed hacks, but they're usually not worth it (small speed gain for significant quality drop) 14.56.11 # freqmod: shouldn't affect decoding either, afaik 14.56.18 # linuxstb, sounds like a reasonable approach. 14.56.36 # freqmod: complexity is only for encoding. The only way to speedup the decoding is to disable the enhancer, but there's a significant quality drop, especially at low bit-rate. 14.56.42 # Is there really a chance we'll have an EQ on the Archos? I didn't think the CPU was up to it. 14.56.45 # jmspeex: how's memory usage for encoding? not same as decoding, i take it? 14.56.55 # jmspeex: and what does the enhancer do? 14.57.01 # safetydan: no chance 14.57.08 # safetydan: not unless we start programming the mas 14.57.13 # which you would have to be insane to do 14.58.15 # preglow: encoding takes about the same amount of memory for the state itself, but a bit more for scratch space. 14.58.21 # righto 14.58.47 # preglow: the enhancer improves the perceptual quality (i.e. removes some noise) of the speech on the decoder side. 14.59.41 # noise shaper? 14.59.57 # nah, forget that 15.00.36 # safetydan: OK, but the X5's remote is 128x96 - would that be big enough for a full display? 15.00.57 Join crash3m|wrk [0] (n=crash3m|@199.227.154.26) 15.02.12 # err... what's the h120 screen? 160x120? 15.02.29 # ifdefs (for asm) does not work, but gives warnings/errors in the compiler: http://pastebin.ca/69798 15.03.03 # jmspeex: should fixed_math be included in misc.c? 15.03.16 # safetydan: 160x128. The ipod mini is currently the swcodec device with smallest LCD - 138x110. (Nano is 176x132) 15.03.31 # 128x96 is probably too small for the full eq 15.04.10 # I do have a patch floating around for a scalable eq screen but it needs lots of work 15.04.20 # I have an old archos jukebox studio 20, and I'm getting I/O errors when reading files from linux, in the logs I see a SCS error before the FAT errors, is it possible that this is due to bad sectors on the disk, and if so, is it possible to correct the issue? 15.04.23 # freqmod: what do you mean fixed_math? 15.04.37 Quit sadeness_ ("leaving") 15.04.45 # fixed_generic.h & fixed_arm4.h 15.06.41 # crash3mlwrk: it may be possible to mark the sectors as bad to use the disk (but not retrive the data) 15.07.38 # that'd be fine, I intend to wipe off the mp3's anyway 15.08.39 # freqmod: I don't understand the question... what is it that triggered the error you pasted? 15.09.01 # i triggered the error myself (by using #error) 15.09.16 # what's the problem? 15.09.40 # interesting, looks like fsck isnt having any issues (yet) 15.09.47 # i just wondered which .c files which should (indirectly) include fixed_generic.h & fixed_arm4.h 15.10.08 # misc.c? 15.15.27 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 15.16.21 # freqmod: all .c files need to include those indirectly 15.16.56 # oop, now fsck is freaking out the kernel again 15.19.34 # ok 15.20.54 # shouldn't those be in config.h? 15.21.16 # preglow: why would they be? 15.21.28 # *shrug* 15.21.41 # they can contain inline functions and lots of stuff. 15.21.44 # sounds like a logical place to keep platform dependent includes 15.22.11 # they are in arch.h, for archictecture dependent includes 15.22.39 # preglow: config.h is only for autoconf-detected stuff 15.24.12 # I did find the error. misc.h is the only file that includes ../codecs.h that defines CPU_ARM 15.24.22 # ehh... misc.c 15.24.42 # arch.h has more than just architecture-dependent stuff. It controls whether fixed-point or floating-point operators are used. 15.26.10 # jmspeex: yeah, and i thought all that stuff was configured by autoconf via configure flags and so on 15.27.20 # autoconf just figures out whether we want float or fixed and the size of a few types. arch.h contains the definition for all the operators. There's several dozens of them. 15.27.41 # aight 15.28.05 # things like MULT16_32_Q14 and so on. 15.28.44 # yeap 15.28.52 # but anyway 15.29.05 # lets get out of this feature freeze so i can commit this :> 15.29.41 # jmspeex: btw, am i right in saying the wideband playback still isn't completely fixed point? 15.33.56 # preglow: you're right. Narrowband is entirely fixed-point, but some bits of wideband aren't. there's only a few operations left, so it should slow-down too much. 15.34.10 # shouldn't? 15.34.16 # Of course, the objective is to convert everything. 15.34.28 # shouldn't slow down, yes 15.36.44 # no innerloop floats or anything? 15.36.52 # floating point is tremedously slow for us, being emulated 15.37.39 # i have made a little float in stereo.c, but it is just passed and compared. 15.40.07 # no innerloop floats, otherwise it would be *really* slow. 15.40.09 # it is this strange sqrt problem it works by changeing speex_decode_stereo_int to use sqrtf (float) and the use: http://pastebin.ca/69748 with sqrtf calling sqrt if the argument!=1 15.40.53 # eventually, all these problems will go away (when everything works in fixed-point) 15.43.39 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Client Quit) 15.43.55 # hmm 15.44.00 # perhaps i'll have a look 15.44.27 # i'm not the biggest fixed point wizard in the world, though 15.45.49 # There are only two instances of exp() and both can be trivially replaced by a very small lookup (the input is quantized). 15.46.12 # ahah 15.46.32 # * freqmod have just finished to learn about exp/log this year at school, so he doesn't know anything about this kind of math at all. 15.46.35 # Also, I've got spx_sqrt() implemented in fixed-point, so it may not be too hard to replace those too (though I can't remember where the float sqrt is still used). 15.47.06 # I have made a lookup table for exp in stereo 15.47.18 # (which btw. also uses spx_sqrt()) 15.47.37 # seems like it's only the stereo code that uses the float sqrt() 15.48.06 # is stereo really that interesting for speex? :> 15.48.19 # preglow: no 15.48.30 # but yeah 15.48.34 # we need wideband, that's for sure 15.48.42 # i expect speex will be quite a fast decode 15.48.51 # so we can use it for our voice files 15.48.53 # well, it works relativly good by using the fixed point sqrt except for sqrt(1)=1 15.48.57 # It sucks anyway. I only added it "in case someone finds it useful", but I still haven't seen any decent use for it. 15.49.21 # wideband (stereo&mono) works realtime on ipod (16000 hz). 15.49.46 # we'll only need mono 15.49.52 # freqmod: at what boost ratio? 15.50.07 # ahh.. 75Mhz all the time .... its UWB that does not work 15.50.08 # preglow: decode is much faster than encode and if you can't decode ultra-wideband, just tell the decoder it's wideband and it'll work fine 15.50.16 # ok 15.50.23 Quit muesli|delhi ("ich will Khe!!!") 15.50.27 # i'll check that 15.50.56 # * freqmod does not like Ogg seeking, it is troublesome... :( 15.51.05 # a wideband file is a narrowband file with some side info (that the narrowband decoder itself simply skips) 15.51.11 # jmspeex: cool 15.51.22 # an ultra-wideband file is a wideband file with some side info (that the widebandband decoder itself simply skips) 15.51.49 # jmspeex: what kind of side info? the upper part of the spectrum isn't encoded like in the other modes? 15.52.00 # so you could give the uw file to the nw decoder too? 15.52.05 # * Mikachu deductive+1 15.52.08 # Mikachu: yes 15.52.11 # if i remember correctly, wb mode works with a qmf filter 15.52.26 # just splitting the band in two 15.52.32 # preglow: side info as in encoding of the higher frequencies. 15.52.42 # preglow: that's right. 15.52.42 # oh, alright 15.52.56 # so uwb just splits spectrum in half, then lower part in half again? 15.53.17 # The uwb actually allocates only 1.8 kbps for the whole 8-16 kHz band, so sometimes it sounds a bit noise. 15.53.40 # In some circumstances (and for some people), uwb can actually sound worse than wb. 15.53.51 # preglow: exactly. 15.53.54 # i don't really see much of a point in uwb 15.53.58 # i think wb should do nicely for speech 15.54.09 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 15.54.14 Join Aditya|Nap [0] (n=aditya@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 15.54.15 # wiki spam 15.54.17 # Again, it was a quick hack that didn't cost much to implement. 15.54.31 Quit petur (Client Quit) 15.54.43 # * freqmod is getting an audiobook on cd for testing, the ripped ogg files are too much encoded for reenocding 15.55.03 Part Aditya|Nap 15.55.32 # Ok, bed time for me. 15.55.33 # g'night 15.56.17 # night 15.56.24 # nice to talk to you 15.56.48 # * preglow likes it everytime codec authors drop by :) 15.57.59 Quit crash3m|wrk ("Leaving") 16.13.57 # * linuxstb is still waiting for an aac author... 16.14.59 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.16.58 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-71-202-85-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 16.17.25 # * freqmod thinks should to go and get one himself 16.17.34 # * freqmod thinks linuxstb... 16.19.20 Join Febs [0] (n=40be240f@labb.contactor.se) 16.22.54 Quit bagawk ("leaving") 16.26.06 Join chimpfrenzy [0] (n=textchim@ip254-83-132.cust.bit.net.au) 16.29.26 Join MadBigSausage [0] (n=53478702@labb.contactor.se) 16.29.38 # anyone awake? 16.29.41 # Hey folks, what's new? 16.30.01 # MadBigSausage: Hello there 16.30.24 # hey 16.30.40 # I saw you post about rockbox for ifp 16.30.58 # AH, the lounge issue 16.31.04 # yup 16.31.05 Join sadeness_ [0] (n=LamersIn@83.239.145.53) 16.31.22 # Don't think that you should expect it soon, though 16.31.22 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 16.31.40 # still I think it's warrented 16.32.12 # (plus it's a huge boot to my post count!! =0p ) 16.32.44 # :) 16.33.33 # i want to write something to load the root.m3u playlist and play through it randomly when the user holds down the record buttn 16.33.34 # ? 16.33.57 # sadeness_: ??? 16.34.15 # i guess i can't do this as a plugin? 16.34.47 # nope 16.34.53 # ooops! sorry, wrong script! 16.35.10 # * sadeness_ fixing it 16.36.32 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d02v-213-44-153-19.d4.club-internet.fr) 16.37.18 # Genre9mp3: have you had a chance to try the latest remote patch? 16.37.43 # anyone know how i can grab the REC-hold event and do something on it? 16.37.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.38.10 # chimpfrenzy: which screen is this on? 16.38.57 # smably: didn't have time, I'll check it in a moment though...thanx for the heads up 16.39.13 # np 16.41.44 # smably: You want me to check 4.0 or 4.1? 16.42.01 # 4.1 16.42.21 # ok 16.42.23 # i'd like to know whether the non-lcd remote shutdown works 16.42.32 Join deea [0] (n=a@196.207.45.253) 16.43.17 # if i upload a theme who decides whether it goes on the website? 16.44.28 # chimpfrenzy: assuming you want to capture the button from the WPS, you'll want to add a #define for (BUTTON_REC | BUTTON_REPEAT) in apps/gui/gwps.h and then add a case to the button switch in gwps.c 16.45.21 # * smably has to run 16.45.24 # back in half an hour 16.50.10 Quit darkless (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.59.44 # smably: It works fine 17.01.01 # I can turn off the player by holding play wherever I am (WPS,browser, menu) 17.01.33 # Also scroll up/down works fine with ffwd/rewind buttons of the non-LCD 17.05.46 Part deea 17.12.45 Part pixelma 17.14.55 Join smably_ [0] (n=c0eae202@labb.contactor.se) 17.15.28 # Genre9mp3: thanks for testing! 17.16.28 # any thoughts on button mapping for the non-lcd remote? 17.19.26 Quit hardeep ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 17.21.43 # smably: I think that the mapping is good as it is right now...just 2 suggestions I have to make 17.22.25 # 1. make vol +/- adjust the volume also when in menu & browser (not only if in WPS) 17.23.20 # 2. pessing play while in browser returns in WPS, this doesn't happen when in menu, make it also go to WPS from a menu 17.23.25 # pressing 17.24.53 # Another approach also would be to make vol +/- go to subdirectories though when in browser 17.25.26 # and when in menu go to a sybmenu 17.25.31 # submenu 17.26.10 # menu->wps is implemented nowhere else, and this is for areason 17.26.22 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 17.26.44 # amiconn: what's that reason? 17.27.25 # WPS and the browser are screens. The menu is a menu that's called from a screen. You always return to where you called it from 17.29.27 # smably: Well, then you should make play advance in a submenu 17.29.32 # when in menu 17.29.46 # (just checked CVS...it does that) 17.29.56 # sorry, what do you mean by "advance"? 17.30.12 # you mean select the menu entry? 17.30.20 # yes 17.30.28 # ok 17.31.25 # vol +/- go into subdirectories when in browser idea maybe is a bit confusing though 17.31.42 # hmm...do you think << and >> should act as up/down, or should volume +/- be used for that? 17.31.44 # IMO better make it adjust volume wherever you are 17.31.49 # oh, ok 17.31.51 # There is a patch available that makes play call the WPS from just about anywhere in Rockbox, including from within menus. 17.32.19 # I've seen a lot of support for committing it to CVS, but it needs to be tested first on Archos platforms. 17.33.06 # Febs: i don't think i'd like that 17.33.33 # Why? The play button is current not used in the menus. 17.33.54 # It makes navigation MUCH faster without sacrificing anything. 17.33.55 # It breaks the clear concept 17.34.10 # "clear concept"? 17.34.12 # yeah, it just doesn't make sense 17.34.20 # on Ondios play==select IIUC how should that work then? 17.34.45 # well, play would really be closing the menu, not opening the wps 17.35.08 # Febs: Pressing play with a non-LCD remote on H300, goes to the menu entry, though it doesn't in the main unit, that's true 17.35.15 # smably: it makes perfect sense, because play would have a consistent function in both menus and the file browser. 17.35.17 # I would prefer another addition though. On platforms where there are 2 ways to go up from submenus (mostly Menu and Left), Menu should perhaps leave the whole menu immediately instead of just going one level up 17.35.20 # i think the same button that opens the menu should also completely close it 17.35.24 # and return to where you firs called it 17.35.24 # Yes, that's the feature I would like - a "quick exit" from menus. But I wouldn't use PLAY for it, I would use the same button used to enter the menu. 17.35.32 # youc an always use left to go back just one step 17.35.33 # haha 17.35.39 # I see some consensus 17.35.39 # Mikachu: the patch that I mentioned does that as well. 17.36.02 Join darkless_ [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 17.36.52 # * Genre9mp3 is already confused with the button discussion 17.37.44 # Febs: it doesn't make sense to me because of the hierarchy: you open the WPS from the filebrowser, and the menu from the WPS 17.38.02 # smably_: you open the wps from the filebrowser as much as you open the filebrowser from the wps 17.38.10 # they're on the same level 17.38.16 # nope 17.38.27 # except you don't open the filebrowser from the wps; you *hide* the wps to display the filebrowser 17.38.40 # smably: no. 17.38.44 # The filebrowser is always available. The wps is not. 17.38.48 # The file browser is Rockbox's main screen. 17.39.02 # YOu go to the wps from the file browser by playing something (either new or resumed) 17.39.18 # Stopping playback brings you back to the file browser 17.39.34 # you can go back to the filebrowser without affecting playback state at all 17.39.43 # Yes, you can 17.39.56 # Still, the browser is the root 17.40.14 # Febs: i'm not sure exactly what you're saying...but i'll use an analogy to explain how i see it 17.40.29 # the filebrowser is like the desktop, and the WPS is like a window 17.40.56 # i see them as two different desktops, and the menu is a window on the desktop you're looking at 17.40.56 # you can minimize the window to get the desktop, but you can't open the desktop on top of the window 17.41.13 # * daurnimator kicks Mikachu 17.41.18 # YAY 17.41.19 # FUN 17.41.21 # no effect 17.41.42 # its like my very own Kick The Cheat 17.41.42 # * Mikachu throws his d20 at daurnimator 17.42.50 # smably: good analogy, but I am not following why you would find the Play button patch confusing. 17.43.16 # Imagine for a moment the "Play" button were labeled "WPS." 17.43.39 # that is a bit of a stretch 17.43.39 # Wouldn't you want that button to bring up the WPS if you're within the menu system? 17.44.25 # Mikachu: I don't think that it is a stretch at all, because that is EXACTLY what the Play button is within the file browser. (with the possible exception of some Archos platforms that I am unfamiliar with.) 17.44.37 # to me the problem is just that the menu opens on top of the wps, and pressing play to close the menu seems counterintuitive 17.46.03 # In that case, you could simply get to the menu by backing up from the menus and entering it from the file browser the way it's set up currently. That functionality would not change. 17.46.23 # i think setting the menu enter button to remove to where you were is better 17.46.41 # if that happens to be the wps you are where you want to be, otherwise you just have to press play after returning from the menu 17.46.49 # The only change is that a currently unused button gets a use that (1) saves many button presses, and (2) makes that button consistent with the way it functions in the browser. 17.47.24 # Mikachu: this patch allows you to do exactly that with the Menu button (ipod)/A-B button (iriver) 17.47.48 # Still, that requires two button presses to get to WPS from within the menus when it can be done with one. 17.48.11 # it's really not as big a deal as i'm making it out to be, but my point is that using play to do two opposite things would be inconsistent 17.48.12 # (if you entered the menus from the browser rather than the WPS) 17.48.57 # smably_, I see your point, but I have answered enough questions in the various forums to know that the typical doesn't see it that way. 17.49.00 # what is WPS? 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18.53.24 # there's no single app for linux that i know of, no 18.53.44 # but the patcher tools exist for linux as well, they're just not gui based 18.54.21 Quit YouCeyE (Client Quit) 18.54.54 Join ceasere [0] (n=ceaser@138.28.36.190) 18.55.26 # * sadeness_ studing ColdFire manual 19.00.36 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-57-51.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.01.03 Quit joe2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.01.40 Join leth [0] (n=leth@c80-217-60-34.cm-upc.chello.se) 19.01.53 # pre: thanks! 19.03.18 # is there anyone here working on the ifp port? 19.03.33 Join `Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 19.03.45 Quit freqmod_n (Remote closed the connection) 19.03.54 # <`Acksaw> can someone help me with the audioscrobbler patch? 19.05.36 Quit ceasere ("[BX] Have you huggled your BitchX today?") 19.06.07 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.06.22 # what is audioscobbler anyway? 19.07.04 # ^scRobbler 19.07.14 # saa[b_r]ider: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42767&highlight=audioscrobbler 19.08.01 # thanks Genre9mp3 19.08.07 Join Zweiundvierzig [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-078-036.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.08.53 Join ceasere [0] (n=ceasere@138.28.36.190) 19.11.50 Join webguest43 [0] (n=cd90d38e@labb.contactor.se) 19.11.55 Quit webguest43 (Client Quit) 19.12.31 # <`Acksaw> anyone ahve a guide for installing rockbox on a ipod? 19.12.36 # <`Acksaw> my friend isnt to technically inclined 19.12.56 Quit bondolo (Excess Flood) 19.13.48 # `Acksaw: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 19.13.56 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 19.14.24 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46AA2.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.14.34 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.14.48 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.14.58 # <`Acksaw> #AUDIOSCROBBLER/1.0 19.14.58 # <`Acksaw> #TZ/UNKNOWN 19.14.58 # <`Acksaw> #CLIENT/Rockbox h300 1.0 19.14.58 DBUG Enqueued KICK `Acksaw 19.14.58 # <`Acksaw> Elle Milano Swearing's for Art StudentsEP Men Are Bastards 2 162 S 1075149740 19.14.58 # <`Acksaw> whoops 19.14.59 *** Alert Mode level 1 19.14.59 # <`Acksaw> sorry 19.16.52 # btw, are the crossfade WPS tags in CVS now? 19.16.54 # hehe - looks like it's working okay 19.17.59 Join freqmod_n [0] (n=freqmod@246.80-202-167.nextgentel.com) 19.18.16 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.18.16 # * petur wants to let preglow know how he feels after too many Leffe :p 19.24.38 Quit `Acksaw ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 19.24.54 # hahaha 19.25.00 *** Alert Mode OFF 19.25.16 Quit apo` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.25.23 # sorry, I know it's a mean thing to say ;) 19.25.24 # i've got a limfjordsporter ready in case i need it 19.25.30 # and a weiss 19.25.38 # so i'll be fine 19.25.46 # good for you 19.25.56 # oh, indeed 19.26.21 # * petur runs off to cook dinner 19.26.55 # * preglow runs off to assure the beer is still there 19.27.19 # * sadeness_ just runs off 19.29.11 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.29.37 Quit freqmod_n (Remote closed the connection) 19.31.26 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@246.80-202-167.nextgentel.com) 19.32.22 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 19.32.26 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 19.35.47 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 19.40.04 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-25-216.austin.res.rr.com) 19.40.43 # * petur summons a wiki admin to remove a spammer (LoKi) 19.41.29 # BigBen doesn't look very normal either 19.41.42 # * pixelma thinks that BigBen, OheRe and MainPage should also be remoed 19.41.56 # *removed 19.42.37 # is there really a point in allowing attachments on user pages? 19.43.08 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 19.43.11 # Possibly 19.43.51 # Not really though 19.53.28 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.55.26 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496710A.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.58.07 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953e1.pool.mediaWays.net) 20.09.00 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.09.01 Quit chimpfrenzy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.19.34 Quit sadeness_ (" , ...") 20.20.12 # god, those charaters really make my irssi explode 20.20.16 # characters too 20.21.03 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@ti311110a080-6302.bb.online.no) 20.21.38 # Characters? 20.22.31 # in sadeness' quite message 20.25.24 # Ah 20.25.39 # My client sucks, and so merely shows ?s for each of them. 20.25.48 # Except the comma and the three periods. 20.30.28 Join saab_rider2 [0] (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.98.123) 20.32.55 # periods??? 20.33.08 Join Mekrob [0] (n=dummeska@64.252.194.67) 20.33.11 # i wonder what they are, irssi handles unicode just fine, but not those 20.33.58 # that looks like one of the russian encodings 20.34.53 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-073-185.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.35.14 # hey does anyone know if this cable will allow me to watch movies that are on my pc on my tv 20.35.17 # http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9721713830&category=61395 20.35.37 # preglow: I see a long word, a short word, a comma, three medium words, and a ... 20.35.39 # Mekrob: depends on your gfx card 20.35.53 # hmm 20.36.02 # i have a pretty standard dell 20.36.24 # dimension 3000 20.36.30 # do you think ill be able too 20.37.07 # i would start by looking at the back of your computer for connectors 20.37.18 # Mekrob: Why not just ask dell if there's a cable to use with it, or look to see if your videocard has any non-VGA video outputs and use that to determine what sort of cables to get. 20.37.35 # and i would get the cable in a proper store, they aren't expensive 20.37.36 # "возвращают?я в?е, кроме л?ч?их др?зей..." 20.37.49 # is that so? 20.37.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.37.56 # Mekrob: most laptops have S-Video output 20.37.58 # it goes itto the 3.5 mm outlet 20.38.08 # i have a desktop 20.38.12 Quit cmoeller (Remote closed the connection) 20.38.21 # have you guys looked at the link 20.38.36 # Mekrob: i have 20.38.43 # ok 20.38.51 # well they were asking about outlets 20.38.58 # it looks like a standard S-Video -> Composite cable and a 3,5mm->2xRCA 20.39.06 # and if you looked at the link it said it uses a 3.5 mm outlet 20.39.26 # so how would i know if my pc supports it 20.39.56 # preglow: the string was in koi8, возвращаются все, кроме лучших друзей... 20.40.05 # right 20.40.06 # i see that 20.40.11 # so it was invalid utf8, then? 20.40.16 # no, it was koi8 20.40.18 # 'cuz i just get a bunch of question marks 20.40.24 # yes, but are they invalid utf8? 20.40.26 # for the video part, check the back of your computer, where the monitor cable is connected. if there's a socket that looks like this: (o) you have composite out, and that cable is useless. if it looks similar to PS/2 keyboard connector, it's S-Video, and that cable might be useful 20.40.30 # koi8 is not utf8 at all 20.40.32 # i know 20.40.37 # but interpreted as utf8, are they invalid? 20.40.39 # ah 20.40.40 # let me check 20.40.53 # >> :sadeness_!n=LamersIn@83.239.145.53 QUIT :"iconv: illegal input sequence at position 46 20.40.59 # yeah 20.41.02 # hm 20.41.06 # none of the 8bit encodings are valid utf8 20.41.07 # that explains why irssi vomits so badly 20.41.12 # ender`: sure they are 20.41.13 # yeah 20.41.19 # if you're lucky 20.41.30 # for example, the string "Bush hid the facts" is valid utf16 20.41.33 # the bottom 127 character are always valid 20.41.40 # but combinations with 128->255 might be invalid 20.41.54 # % echo -n Bush hid the facts|iconv -f UTF-16 -t UTF-8 20.41.54 # 畂桳栠摩琠敨映捡獴 20.41.59 # s/might be/are probably/ 20.42.00 # anything can happen 20.42.07 # irssi here tried to decode it as utf-8, fell back to iso-8859-1, and produced: ×ÏÚ×ÒÁÝÁÀÔÓÑ ×ÓÅ, ËÒÏÍÅ ÌÕÞÛÉÈ ÄÒÕÚÅÊ... 20.42.09 # i have no idea what you mean ender 20.42.35 # Mekrob: does your computer have TV-out? 20.42.45 # im not sure 20.42.52 # how would i know 20.42.59 # Mekrob: Look at the back of it, or check the manual 20.43.14 # you'd have a video out socket in the back 20.43.30 # wait, i'll take a picture 20.43.36 # can you send me a link to a picture of what this kind of outlet would look like 20.43.39 # k 20.43.42 # great 20.43.58 # Mekrob: This is really not the right place for all these questions anyway. Why not just check the manual that came with your Dell, or ask Dell? 20.44.09 # Mekrob: it would look like something the cable you linked to would fit in 20.44.15 # this is a game 3-year-olds usually play :P 20.44.49 # because i know people here 20.44.56 Quit bluey- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.45.01 # and i know they know aa lotabout computers 20.45.53 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 20.48.06 Quit damaki__ (Remote closed the connection) 20.48.08 # ender 20.48.12 # you get a pic yet 20.48.24 # just a moment, i'll upload it in a minute 20.48.50 Join ZenMasterJG [0] (n=Jordan@69.43.65.34) 20.49.00 # ok thank you 20.49.03 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.49.20 # http://deeperthought.ena.si/Image1.jpg 20.49.43 # that's the way TV-out looks on most modern graphic cards 20.50.22 # ok so like a mini din? 20.51.19 # yes 20.52.07 # it could also be a yellow phonocontact, called composite video 20.52.14 # yes 20.52.38 # ok ill have to look once im back at my house 20.52.59 # Paul_The_Nerd: Silence from PortalPlayer I assume? 20.53.14 # linuxstb: Absolute silence, yes. 20.53.35 # So not an instant no.... 20.54.05 # linuxstb: I know, I don't know whether to be hopeful that maybe they're talking about it or considering it, or worried that they just threw it out and didn't even feel we deserved a refusal. 20.54.18 # My irrational optimists and pessimists are battling it out. 20.54.28 # but if it's composite, and your TV is bigger than 50cm, get a new gfx card 20.54.32 Quit ZenMasterJG (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era") 20.58.01 # hello 20.58.09 # i think mine is 20.58.11 # I've my ifp-899 open 20.58.35 Join [TCK] [0] (i=TCK@81-179-181-67.dsl.pipex.com) 20.58.58 # I've just seen, that someone already posted pics of his ifp-795, do you know if images of an ifp-8xx are needed? 20.59.13 # The hardware looks and should be identical 21.00.39 # Rondom: Since you have already opened the player I suppose that you can take some scans just in case 21.01.13 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 21.01.17 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b95385.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.01.28 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b95385.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.02.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfp7XXHardwareComponents contains all the information being available 21.02.36 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfp7XXSpecs contains some older information 21.02.58 # do you think additional pictures are neccessary? 21.03.52 # Rondom: compare it and add if different? 21.04.06 # * petur runs off again 21.05.03 # petur: it's the same I think 21.05.10 # I don't see any difference 21.05.24 # I believe it was determined that the 800 and 700 series were identical internally 21.05.26 # and the ifp-8xx and ifp-7xx are said to be identical 21.05.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: ack! 21.05.54 # If I recall they can even use the same firmware from iRiver. 21.06.20 # Paul_The_Nerd: no, but it's nearly identical 21.06.46 # patches for ifp-8xx can be simply adapted for ifp-7xx and vice-versa 21.07.49 # Ah 21.08.15 # I thought I remember people using the modified UMS firmware from the 700s on the 800s, I guess I was wrong 21.09.39 # Paul_The_Nerd: you mean those with a lower ogg bitrate limit. There are two versions, one for ifp-7xx and on for ifp-8xx 21.10.34 # on=one 21.10.44 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.11.04 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.12.02 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-79-195.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.12.07 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.15.20 # maybe I'll look for close-ups of the unidentified ics, but I doubt, they are really needed 21.15.49 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 21.15.57 # I already opened it, because I thought there were no pictures. I once told Tomek that I would do so 21.21.55 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 21.21.58 # apart from musepack, are there any other filetypes in rockbox which don't (currently or by design) support seeking? 21.22.46 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 21.22.52 # obo: bottom of this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs 21.23.22 # ah, thanks 21.23.29 # obo: FLAC *kinda* doesn't. Only if your files have seektables. 21.24.16 # anyone know what effect audio_ff_rewind will have on one if it doesn't? 21.27.08 # iirc, you get dropped back at the beginning of the track 21.27.21 # I think they fixed it to leave you where you started fast forwarding from 21.27.26 # But I'm not 100% sure 21.27.34 # oh, ok (haven't tried it recently) 21.27.52 # Neither have I. Mine all have seektables. Heh 21.28.18 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-97-168.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.28.36 # hello 21.29.04 # fair enough - thanks for you help :) 21.30.39 # just tried it with a musepack track and it went back to where i started seeking 21.32.10 # thanks - that'll do nicely 21.33.36 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.35.11 Part Paul_The_Nerd 21.35.47 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp143-96.adsl.forthnet.gr) 21.37.22 Quit PaulJam (".") 21.37.58 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 21.44.22 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.47.50 Part pixelma 21.49.34 # who is MainPage in twiki? 21.49.38 # seems like a spam 21.49.43 Quit ceasere ("Quit") 21.50.11 # it has the same mail as Ohre 21.50.19 # OheRe 21.52.21 # OheReally? :) 21.52.32 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A477EE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.53.05 # * petur kicks bagder 21.53.47 # hehe 21.53.51 # I already reported the wiki spammers this afternoon :/ 21.54.08 # are these spammers bot? 21.54.15 # bots 21.54.29 # I hope so for them 21.54.47 # because I can't see how a human is so lost to do that over and over again 21.56.09 # haha 21.56.27 # people will always surprise you when it comes to acting like idiots 21.56.58 # hmpf 21.58.03 # Suggesting a scripting engine that needs resources in the same range as the rockbox core itself... .... .... 21.58.16 # yes, read my previous sentence 22.02.07 # I guess only bagder, zagor and linus are the only wiki admins :/ 22.06.20 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3011.gwdg.de) 22.06.56 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.14.28 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.17.12 # guys what is firewire 22.17.16 # i dont get it 22.17.33 # it's usb but not really usb 22.18.06 # can anyone explain it more in depth 22.18.18 # wikipedia might :) 22.18.22 # a connection type, like usb, sort of.. 22.18.59 # why would i want it over usb 22.19.16 # i think it's supposed to be a bit faster.. 22.19.35 # but what can i connect firewire to 22.19.39 # it was faster than usb 1 22.19.41 # less common, though.. popular on digital camcorders. it's not like it's better or worse, it's just "another" connection type. 22.19.41 # and what would i use it for 22.19.46 # and usb 2 is a bit faster than firewire 22.19.56 # you sure? *checks* 22.20.02 # basically usb won and firewire lost 22.20.09 # like blue ray and hd dvd 22.20.39 # FireWire 400 can transfer data between devices at 100, 200, or 400 Mbit/s data rates (actually 98.304, 196.608, or 393.216 Mbit/s, but commonly referred to as S100, S200, and S400). Although USB2 claims to be capable of higher speeds (480Mbit/s), FireWire is, in practice, faster due to its "peer-to-peer" architecture which gives a more reliable and sustained throughput rate. 22.21.01 # ok :) 22.21.08 # can you have a firewire hub? 22.21.19 # yeah? 22.21.19 # i doubt it 22.21.20 # :) 22.21.36 # i've seen them before.. *googles* 22.21.43 # * dionoea :( 22.21.55 # yeah. http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=103211 22.22.29 # back in a few. 22.22.34 # hmm 22.22.39 # so usb 2 is better 22.22.56 # technically, but firewire tends to be a bit faster.. 22.22.58 # read what i pasted. :) 22.23.04 # usb2 is certainly more popular. 22.23.14 # often firewire is the only option though, for camcorders for example. 22.24.40 # so its only really useful for camcorders 22.24.44 # im not getting it 22.24.53 # usb 2.0 is standard now 22.25.07 # why would i pay all this extra cash for firewire 22.25.09 # and once upon a time it wasn't and both wanted to become standard 22.25.19 # if their about the same 22.27.19 # Mikachu: Firewire has no hubs, because firewire has a different bus structure than usb 22.27.55 # http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=103211 22.28.05 # then whats that? 22.28.32 # damn harriet died 22.29.16 # Mekrob: Hmm, I never actually used firewire. So there are hubs, but they are hubs in a different sense than with USB 22.29.25 # I just read an article about the longest leaving creature on earth (currently) and 1 week later it dies! 22.29.30 # like a switch and a router i guess 22.29.41 # ^living 22.29.43 # XavierGr: yeah, me too :/ 22.29.47 # XavierGr: the tortoise ? 22.29.49 # yes 22.29.59 # USB is strictly hierarchical. On top there's the host controller, then a root hub. Each USB hub has a dedicated uplink and one ore more downstream ports 22.30.14 # With firewire, all devices are peers 22.31.23 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 22.32.02 # that's what i suspected 22.34.06 Quit darkless_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.35.28 Part Mekrob 22.38.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.43.21 # * freqmod speex status: Seeking implemented (to nearest page ~5sec error) 22.44.10 # What file extension is normally used for speex? 22.44.19 Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.44.43 # .spx 22.44.50 # and .ogg 22.44.59 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d02v-89-83-240-30.d4.club-internet.fr) 22.46.43 # the main difference between usb and firewire is that on firewire, bandwidth is allocated and thus guaranteed. 22.47.20 # that's why it's popular for video: once the connection is made, no stuttering 22.48.51 # my speex patch for rockbox only identifies .spx files as speex files. 22.49.21 # .spx files are pretty likely to be raw speex streams 22.49.23 # does it handle that? 22.49.38 # no, only ogg speex streams. 22.50.00 # mokey 22.50.15 # freqmod: The ".m4a" part of get_metadata() decides if the file is ALAC or AAC, and sets the codec type appropriately. The Ogg part could do the same. 22.51.06 # yes, speex uses Speex instead of vorbis as the start of the setup packet 22.51.56 # petur: Afaik, it's possible to do the same with usb's isochronous transfers 22.52.32 # no 22.53.02 # no? 22.53.03 # freqmod: ooh, didn't notice you're norwegian 22.53.23 # any other norwegian coders around here i've forgotten aboDut? 22.53.51 # amiconn: it has priorities but if you put two bandwidth hungry devices on the bus they will share what's available. With firewire, the second connect will fail because of insufficient (remaining) bandwidth 22.54.28 # * preglow beats his keyboard 22.54.45 # * petur has worked on a project that used high-end firewire camera's and took some time to figure out why two biggies on one controller would not work 22.54.52 # Hmm, iirc I've read somewhere that usb would also reject the connection if there's not enough remaining bandwidth 22.55.15 # Maybe I don't rc 22.55.18 # maybe that's for current? 22.55.31 # possible, but there's now way for a device to tell how much it needs 22.56.15 # both will try and some transfers will fail. and in iso mode the data is just lost 22.56.21 # like udp 22.56.39 Join webguest78 [0] (n=cdc84dca@labb.contactor.se) 22.56.40 Quit jd_away (Remote closed the connection) 22.56.47 Quit webguest78 (Client Quit) 22.57.26 # has anybody followed this strange bugreport: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.330 and the even more strange bugfix: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5589 ? 22.58.04 Quit Rob2222_ () 22.58.06 # I'm unable to reproduce (on h340) and the bugfix looks silly 22.58.41 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB648AA.ipt.aol.com) 22.58.44 Join darkless_ [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 22.58.45 # looks more like it needed some sleep() 23.00.20 # Ok, Ogg/Speex files with extention .spx&.ogg is recognized 23.00.35 Quit smably_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.01.24 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.05.49 Quit leth ("apa") 23.06.14 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 23.06.36 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 23.08.06 # how do you force rockbox to check the free diskspace again? 23.08.47 # Info->Rockbox Info, then Play 23.09.25 # 10x 23.12.09 # rockbox and my pc differ in opinion. pc says 10GB free, rockbox says 2,xxGB :( 23.13.10 # Heh 23.13.16 # what os? 23.13.28 # w2k 23.13.37 Join saa[b_r]ider [0] (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.99.115) 23.13.41 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Client Quit) 23.13.45 # i've noticed that windows tends to have some quite dubious meanings on free space from time to time 23.14.02 # luckily i don't use it anymore 23.14.05 # chkdsk agrees about the 10GB 23.14.10 Quit mikearthur (Excess Flood) 23.14.16 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.14.28 # problem is, I have a long gig to record, must be sure about free space :( 23.17.15 # hmmm.. better reformat it :/ 23.20.11 # doesn't rockbox have some tool for that? 23.20.18 # like counting free clusters 23.20.22 # i remember it could do that 23.21.10 # fonts (in rockbox) are stored as bitmaps for each character right ? 23.21.13 # yea 23.22.05 # where should the code for a function which putsxyofs in an offscreen buffer be put ? would font.c be ok ? 23.22.17 # (it isn't really lcd driver specific) 23.23.35 # what are you going to use it for? 23.23.57 # hum ... right ... might be better to just put it in the plugin which needs it :) 23.24.14 # (it's to add text writing in rockpaint) 23.25.17 # but that would mean that i wouldn't have access to all the font.c functions ... 23.26.16 # so i'll put it in the firmware (it shouldn't be tool long anyway) 23.28.02 # You can export the font.c functions via the plugin api if you need them. 23.29.13 # hum ... right. I'll do that then 23.30.25 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 23.32.06 Quit saab_rider2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.32.43 # do you already have a font selection widget with previews of the font ? 23.33.52 # No, and it can't be done with the current core 23.34.05 # Meh, it can, but I don't see the point 23.34.15 # (for core use) 23.34.19 # why ? can't you just write the different strings and change fonts in between ? 23.34.27 # (this isn't for core use, i was just asking) 23.34.41 Join smorar [0] (n=smorar@darkflame.darkskies.za.net) 23.34.43 # Yes it's possible, but then you must not use scrolling text 23.34.56 # seems logical :) 23.41.38 # hi everyone. can someone help me - Rockbox hangs randomly during playback on my 4G Ipod. Is there a reference somewhere about turning on debugging, or logging function calls so that I can start debugging this problem? I can enable a developer build, and turn on logf support (debugging fails to build), but nothing seems to happen when I use the resulting binary on my ipod 23.44.10 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.44.56 # smorar: hangs as in freezes, or hands as in music momentarily stops playng? 23.46.28 # hello 23.47.55 # hmm... this is wierd... i'm not seeing any feedback in my client - refreshing the current.txt on the rockbox.org site... 23.48.01 # brb - changing client 23.48.14 # earHertz: yes - hangs as in freezes 23.48.16 # brb 23.48.19 Part smorar 23.49.11 Join smorar [0] (n=smorar@dsl-165-125-86.telkomadsl.co.za) 23.49.24 # test 23.49.29 # yay, this works :) 23.50.50 # soa:cnyusehs? 23.53.24 # earHertz: any idea on the best way that I can figure out where/why this freeze happens? (function call logging to a text file would be nice...) 23.53.52 Join tucoz [0] (n=c2133c04@labb.contactor.se) 23.54.03 # petur, around? 23.54.04 # http://images.europe.creative.com/iss/images/artwork/A5_RGB/hires_zenv_2395.jpg 23.54.16 # creative zen v plus 23.54.30 # tucoz: a bit yes 23.54.33 # looks very similar to the sansa e200 series 23.54.35 # in that case, you can press play in the 'rockbox info' screen to have rockbox scan the disk 23.54.42 # Bagder, cool.. brand new? 23.54.47 # seems so 23.54.50 # and um, to the ipod 23.54.50 # smorar: use logf for that (profiling doesn't work on the ipod; if you really want to profile, I can give you the functions you need, but interpretting teh output just doesn't work) 23.54.51 # ah, inside that screen.... 23.54.55 # I think that will update the disk free info as well 23.55.04 # looks rather nice, actually.. 23.55.16 # earHertz: where does logf put it's output? 23.55.40 # smorar: in mmeory 23.55.52 # if you then use the logfdump function, it'sll write it to disk 23.55.55 # midkay: here's the UK main page: http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=15306 23.56.04 # "Available in Europe from August 2006" 23.56.05 # tucoz: thanks a lot, that's what I was looking for 23.56.07 # there's a bug in logfdump, lines are trincated to 25 chars 23.56.26 # great :) 23.56.54 # Bagder, ah. nice-looking player, but doesn't seem to do anything special.. 23.56.58 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 23.57.03 # earHertz: ok, is there a decent place in the code for me to insert the logfdump function? playback loop or something? 23.57.06 # nah, seems quite ordinary 23.57.08 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-136-158.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.57.21 # smorar: you insert logf 23.57.33 # logfdump is a user action 23.57.49 # and teh include logf.h 23.57.49 # earHertz: There is no bug in logf. It's just that there is a fixed maximum line length 23.57.58 # and then logf as you wish' 23.58.23 # amiconn: well, call it what you will, it's a pain in the ass 23.58.51 # I end up with these cryptic little mesages, likem "g1: 34434,34334,76676,45645