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00.01.05 #       <freqmod> well the battery is replaceable (but you'll have to open your ipod and resolder the cables
00.01.29 #       <juxtap> :/
00.01.52 #       <juxtap> i'd gladly carry a bigger/heavier device for longer battery life!
00.01.58 #       * freqmod dissasembled his broken ipod nano, (it actually still works as a mass storage device)
00.02.26 #       <preglow> how the hell did you manage to open it? :>
00.02.42 #       <linuxstb_> freqmod: Make some scans of the PCB...
00.02.47 #       <preglow> yes please
00.03.04 #       <freqmod> a knife beside the contact hole
00.03.07 #       <linuxstb_> And then remove all the chips and draw a schematic...
00.03.42 #       <anathema> juxtap: sorry to but in, i have a battery pack made by berklin iirc,takes 4 AA batteries and with rockbox seems to charge it up as well when plugged in. very useful when travelling
00.03.52 #       <preglow> i tried using a guiter pick around the whole bloody ipod
00.04.07 #       <preglow> managed to budge it half open, but no further
00.04.31 #       <freqmod> it is some glue inside too
00.04.37 #       <preglow> hooray
00.04.57 #       * freqmod installs xsane
00.05.12 #       <juxtap> anathema, cool, for ipod?
00.05.22 #       <juxtap> *googles berklin iirc*
00.05.31 #       <anathema> yep
00.05.47 #       <anathema> berklin battery pack i think its called
00.06.14 #       <anathema> something like that, the idea is that you can run your ipod from AA batteries without touching the internal battery
00.06.17 #       <juxtap> so it has a plug that fits in an ipod... that's neat :]
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00.06.58 #       <anathema> however i dont think the ipod can run on a completly dead internal battery though, so it might not work as an alternlative if the ipod battery was completly depleated
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00.09.00 #       <anathema> juxtap: its a bit clunky with fitting on the back of it, but for travelling about i dont really care about the size of it tbh as long as it keeps powered up
00.09.10 #       <juxtap> there's gotta be something available that charges the internal battery
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00.10.11 #       <juxtap> it fits on the back? weird :p
00.10.22 #       <juxtap> man i can't find anything on it
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00.11.09 #       <anathema> juxtap:humm...no luck from google?
00.11.29 #       <juxtap> BELKIN
00.12.06 #       <anathema> hah oops, yes thats it, my mistake. apoligies im rather tired tonight
00.12.15 #       <juxtap> http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/
00.13.06 #       <anathema> yes that could well have been where i found out about it
00.13.14 #       <anathema> cant recall tbh
00.13.39 #       <juxtap> cool ta
00.14.12 #       <anathema> np
00.15.03 #       <Bagder> http://www.portalplayer.com/company/current_openings/Srfwengineer_new1004.htm
00.15.10 #       <Bagder> apply? ;-)
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00.16.53 #       <Bagder> I found out that PortalPlayer's CEO is only a 3rd degree away from me
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00.17.22 #       <Bagder> ie, a friend's friend knows him
00.18.03 #       * Bagder likes linkedin.com
00.20.42 #       <PhR3aK> ok i have rockbox on my nano now... but h always
00.20.45 #       <PhR3aK> sry
00.20.46 #       <Genre9mp3> Bagder: CEO = Chief executive officer?
00.20.51 #       <Bagder> yes
00.20.55 #       <PhR3aK> but it always boots the apple fw
00.21.00 #       <Genre9mp3> :)
00.21.10 #       <Bagder> but now, sleep(3600*6);
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00.21.32 #       <Genre9mp3> Bagder: Hmmm...all seem to be a well organised conspiracy! :)
00.21.58 #       * petur hopes the sleep() Bagder used takes seconds as argument
00.22.25 #       <PhR3aK> how do i turn off my nano completely? long pressing play just seems to be a "sleep mode"
00.22.38 #       * amiconn prefers ticks
00.22.53 #       * petur ticks amiconn
00.23.14 #       * Genre9mp3 seconds amiconn
00.23.17 #       <Genre9mp3> :P
00.26.07 #       <linuxstb_> PhR3aK: Are you talking about Rockbox or Apple's firmware?
00.26.52 #       <PhR3aK> like... rockbox boots once after disconnecting, then i was copying the latest build and then it just starts the apple fw
00.26.59 #       <PhR3aK> apples fw
00.27.31 #       <linuxstb_> Apple's fw doesn't have an off option.
00.27.42 #       <PhR3aK> just sleep like?
00.28.02 #       <PhR3aK> so... long pressing play
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00.28.18 #       <PhR3aK> how can i boot rockbox then?
00.28.28 #       <linuxstb_> Hold MENU+SELECT to reset
00.29.00 #       <PhR3aK> thank you very much :)
00.29.10 #       <PhR3aK> works
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00.32.14 #       <freqmod> Ipod nano scanhttp://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/albumO.php?path=ipdscan
00.32.17 #       <freqmod> Ipod nano scan: http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/albumO.php?path=ipdscan
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00.33.27 #       <freqmod> click on + when viewing one image for full size (but be kind to my dsl connection the full size jpg's are 6-18MB)
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00.41.47 #       <PhR3aK> could it be that there are no other fonts in the newest ipod daily build
00.42.15 #       <josh> Hey, is there any current work being done on the Ipod 3g build?
00.42.52 #       <linuxstb_> PhR3aK: The fonts are a separate download on the daily builds page.
00.43.20 #       <linuxstb_> josh: No - none of the devs own one.
00.43.27 #       <josh> hmm
00.43.57 #       <josh> I own one, and have programming experiance...nothing that low level though
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00.44.08 #       <josh> how hard would it be to finish the port?
00.44.12 #       <linuxstb_> Sadly, it's the low-level stuff that's the issue.
00.44.30 #       <PhR3aK> (linuxstb_): i dont see a seperated link for other fonts...
00.44.32 #       <linuxstb_> AFAIK, the audio driver is the main thing not working.
00.44.35 #       <josh> I'm always willing to learn
00.45.09 #       <PhR3aK> (linuxstb_): on the daily builds page
00.45.30 #       <mantono> Do I need a computer with Windows to install Rockbox on my iPod? The installation guide is just talking about .exe-files.
00.45.48 #       <linuxstb_> PhR3aK: It's the last one in the list - it has a Rockbox logo (next to the source download)
00.46.17 #       <linuxstb_> mantono: Start here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort
00.46.53 #       <mantono> linuxstb_: oh, thanks!
00.47.16 #       <linuxstb_> josh: Well, the first thing to do would be to download the source and compile Rockbox.  Then install and test it and see if you can fix any of the problems.
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00.47.30 #       <josh> alright, well i just finished checking it out of CVS
00.48.48 #       <linuxstb_> Regarding the audio driver, you should get a copy of the ipodlinux kernel source, and try and compare the audio driver there with the version in Rockbox - and try and understand how it should be working.
00.49.21 #       <PhR3aK> (linuxstb_): oh thx, didnt saw it... its late :P
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00.49.22 #       <josh> grr...gotta fix my path
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00.51.14 #       <josh> where can i grab the arm-elf crosscompiler
00.53.12 #       <linuxstb_> What OS are you using?
00.53.28 #       <josh> Ubuntu
00.53.33 #       <josh> its not showing up in Synaptic
00.54.00 #       <linuxstb_> No, you need to compile it yourself.  But it's simple - see the CrossCompiler wiki page.
00.54.11 #       <linuxstb_> (it's basically just a configure; make ; make install)
00.54.14 #       <josh> alright
00.54.40 #       <linuxstb_> Or you could try the tools/rockboxdev.sh script which will automate it.
00.55.16 #       <josh> and off it goes
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02.06.53 #       <ritalin> oi
02.07.08 #       <ritalin> where can i find info on how to install my ipod back to factory defaults?
02.07.14 #       <ritalin> i saved the firmware
02.08.11 #       <josh> you on windows or linux?
02.08.33 #       <ritalin> linux
02.08.38 #       <ritalin> i found a guide though
02.08.41 #       <ritalin> nevermind
02.08.47 #       <ritalin> ill lurk incase i need help :D
02.09.27 #       <josh> having trouble building the bootloader, anyone out there can help?
02.11.44 #       <josh> no one?
02.12.37 #       <ritalin> nah it doesnt tell ya
02.12.45 #       <ritalin> im trying to remove the rockbox firmware
02.12.55 #       <ritalin> this just tells you how to get the Apple UI back
02.13.27 #       <josh> the only way i know of to get it back is on a windows box,im sure you can do it on linux, i just don't know how
02.13.30 #       <liyang> ritalin: are you on Windows or OS X?
02.13.37 #       <liyang> or Linux.
02.13.42 #       <ritalin> linux sir
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02.15.03 #       <liyang> Easiest way is to find a friend with one of the above proprietary OSes and run Apple's restore program.
02.16.10 #       <ritalin> ok
02.16.16 #       <ritalin> i have windows
02.16.19 #       <ritalin> ill do that
02.16.20 #       <liyang> Otherwise try dumping (with dd? I dunno) the firmware back to the first partition.
02.16.20 #       <ritalin> ty
02.17.04 #       <liyang> I had trouble changing back to an HFS+ iPod, so ended up running the restore program which Just Worked (TM).
02.17.20 #       <ritalin> lol
02.17.31 #       <josh> Anyone here have experiance building the bootloader?
02.17.33 #       <ritalin> is it safe to reformat and ipod?
02.17.38 #       <ritalin> an*
02.17.42 #       <josh> yea, you can reformat them all you watn
02.17.50 #       <josh> just need to use said tool to rebuild it
02.19.47 #       <ritalin> lol i just fdisk'd it
02.19.58 #       <ritalin> seems like im trying to break it
02.19.59 #       <ritalin> :D
02.20.55 #       <liyang> ritalin: I don't think you can break it permanently. You can always access it as a USB storage device from the firmware in ROM.
02.21.35 #       <ritalin> yeah :D
02.21.38 #       <ritalin> just fun to play with
02.21.43 #       <liyang> I did some pretty weird things to mine, but as I mentioned, Apple's restore program got it back in working order.
02.24.16 #       <ritalin> yeah dd if=backup_firmware of=/dev/sda1 works
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02.31.03 #       <user01> does doom work on g4 black and white?
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02.35.59 #       <user01> oh guess not...
02.38.12 #       <ritalin> hmm
02.38.20 #       <ritalin> sandman ipod # ls
02.38.20 #       <ritalin> calend~1  contacts  ipod_c~1  notes
02.38.26 #       <ritalin> see how its all messed up?
02.38.31 #       <ritalin> what could be causing that?
02.38.33 #       <user01> rockboy doesn't work for 4g?
02.39.14 #       <user01> i thought gameboy screen looked like the 4g screen :)
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04.17.37 #       <leboff> alo
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04.17.52 #       <yeft> alo
04.18.17 #       <yeft> so just switched to linux.. think its time to throw the old rockbox on the ipod too?
04.22.42 #       <yeft> midkay: kinda upset by no response
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04.28.33 #       <yeft> shit, i remember when midkay was midknight2000
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05.00.42 #       <dj-fu> yeft: there's no reason not to run robkxo
05.00.51 #       <dj-fu> I think it zwns all other players, but I'm probably biased
05.00.59 #       <dj-fu> robkxo? I have finger lag
05.01.10 #       <yeft> haha yeah.
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05.01.20 #       <yeft> i remember it not playing files correctly not too long ago
05.01.25 #       <yeft> or just from what i've heard
05.01.30 #       <yeft> but you recommend it?
05.01.53 #       <yeft> buggyness on a scale of 1-10?
05.02.12 #       <dj-fu> I've only experienced a few
05.02.19 #       <dj-fu> and if you report em they usuall get fixed pretty quickly
05.02.27 #       <dj-fu> it plays all my mp3, ogg
05.02.42 #       <dj-fu> crossfeed makes it worth that much more
05.02.58 #       <yeft> flac?
05.04.07 #       <dj-fu> haven't tested it
05.05.28 #       <dj-fu> checked supportedformats on the wiki
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05.09.40 #       <yeft> interface is better than ipod though?
05.10.22 #       <dongs> thats debatable
05.10.30 #       <dongs> i care about functionality though
05.10.43 #       <dongs> such as playing mp3s without using jewish file upload programs.
05.10.49 #       <scorche> yeft: yes on flac
05.11.13 #       <yeft> jewish aye?
05.11.20 #       <scorche> yes i am >_>
05.11.24 #       <yeft> scrorche: thanks
05.11.49 #       <yeft> scorche: how hard is the switch?
05.11.59 #       <scorche> not too hard
05.12.04 #       <dongs> it jsut works, usually.
05.12.06 #       <scorche> just folowing directions =)
05.13.17 #       <yeft> oh man
05.13.23 #       <yeft> this is exciting/scary
05.13.29 #       <yeft> kinda like the switch to linux
05.13.43 #       <dongs> lol, linux.
05.13.52 #       <yeft> ?
05.13.58 #       <scorche> yeft: ignore him
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05.14.45 #       <dongs> hm any interesteing ipod fixes lately?
05.16.03 #       <dongs> hm doesnt look like it
05.16.15 #       <dongs> saw a commit related to charging does that mean hte charging indicator now works properly?
05.16.21 #       <dongs> or was jsut in preparation to getting it to work
05.18.25 #       <yeft> just gotta wait 45 min or so to back up all my music
05.18.28 #       <yeft> then i'll get on it
05.18.30 #       <yeft> tell you what i think
05.18.34 #       <yeft> possible to switch back?
05.18.40 #       <dongs> of course
05.18.42 #       <dongs> like
05.18.46 #       <dongs> once oyu install the bootloader
05.18.54 #       <scorche> yeft: and it is a dual boot as well
05.18.55 #       <dongs> if you wanna go back temporarily you can hold menu during boot
05.19.03 #       <dongs> to go back or you can delete rockbox.ipod
05.19.04 #       <yeft> oh really?
05.19.05 #       <yeft> wow
05.19.08 #       <dongs> and it'll jump to apple firmare
05.19.12 #       <yeft> wait
05.19.28 #       <yeft> does rockbox pick up all the old mp3s chillin on there?
05.19.32 #       <dongs> well
05.19.35 #       <dongs> it will
05.19.36 #       <dongs> but
05.19.40 #       <dongs> they'll be in that lame apple dir
05.19.45 #       <dongs> iTunes_Control or whatever
05.19.47 #       <dongs> and with bad names
05.19.48 #       <yeft> with funny names?
05.19.49 #       <yeft> right
05.19.50 #       <dongs> right
05.19.59 #       <dongs> i think you can use id3cache
05.20.04 #       <dongs> to make them into something readble
05.20.07 #       <dongs> or you can jsut deltet that dir
05.20.09 #       <scorche> tagcache
05.20.11 #       <dongs> and copy new stuff over.
05.20.22 #       <yeft> but then when i load ipod firmware?
05.20.23 #       <dongs> ya tagcache. whatever it is. my shit isnt tagged because i'm not a pirate, so that feature is useless for me
05.20.39 #       <scorche> yes, because you have to be a pirate to have tags
05.20.40 #       <dongs> rockbox doesnt do anythign to the apple database
05.20.43 #       <yeft> dongs: you can take things yourself you know.. dont have to be a pirate
05.20.50 #       <dongs> so if you leave the files there
05.20.54 #       <dongs> and tagcache them to listen
05.21.04 #       <dongs> then nothing will be different when apple firmware loads.
05.21.08 #       <yeft> wait
05.21.11 #       <yeft> what is tagcache?
05.21.21 #       <dongs> it scans all files and makes a DB of id3 tags.
05.21.28 #       <dongs> so that you navigate by album/whatever/blah
05.21.31 #       <scorche> like the apple browser
05.21.32 #       <dongs> (i think)
05.21.52 #       <dongs> i hate the apple browser
05.21.55 #       <yeft> but what if i delete them all.. but them back on
05.22.02 #       <yeft> and then load up apple firmware?
05.22.03 #       <dongs> i never undertand the point of browsing by ARTIST or ALBUM (wtf is album??) tc.
05.22.05 #       <dongs> tc=etc
05.22.15 #       <dongs> yeft: 'delete them' from the apple dir?
05.22.21 #       <yeft> right
05.22.29 #       <dongs> then it'll be blank on the apple firmware.
05.22.37 #       <dongs> with rockbox you can just put mp3s in the root dir
05.22.39 #       <dongs> under folders/etc.
05.22.46 #       <dongs> so obviously apple firmware wont pick that up.
05.23.06 #       <yeft> i've gotten so used to the itunes/ipod way of doing things
05.23.11 #       <dongs> huhuhu
05.23.15 #       <scorche> yeft: sorry, but i am doing a couple things at once...
05.23.19 #       <dongs> thats so terrible
05.23.20 #       <yeft> i guess it makes more sense
05.23.23 #       <yeft> this way
05.23.38 #       <yeft> but that way is how i've been doin it since i junked my FM20
05.23.41 #       <scorche> dongs: he didnt ask for your opinion on every little thing
05.23.46 #       <yeft> and my AJB6k
05.24.00 #       <yeft> ha
05.24.16 #       <dongs> scorche: yea itunes way makes SO much sense. i mean lets see, i want to copy a couple songs to listen to while i drive to work today
05.24.20 #       <scorche> yeft: dongs has a history in here if you cant tell ;)
05.24.38 #       <dongs> i can either a) start itunes wait 5 minutes for it ot load, do some clicking on a ugly interface and wait while it takes its time to "sync" or wahtever
05.24.42 #       <scorche> dongs: i have heard your opinions way too many times...i know
05.24.47 #       <dongs> or I can b) copy some mp3s in to \ on rockbox and go
05.25.05 #       <yeft> dongs
05.25.12 #       <yeft> what i meant wasss
05.25.33 #       <yeft> dongs: plus i can use it with multiple computers.. not just my one home base man.. and my mp3's are intact and backed up...
05.25.58 #       <dongs> yeft: you can use same ipod with different isntalls of itunes?
05.26.01 #       <yeft> it really makes more sense rockbox's way.. but apple tricked me
05.26.04 #       <dongs> i thought it didnt let oyu do that
05.26.08 #       <yeft> dongs: i'm sayin i cant ..
05.26.10 #       <dongs> ah
05.26.32 #       <yeft> dongs: i was listing  benefits of rockbox ; )
05.26.41 #       <dongs> right
05.26.42 #       <dongs> huhu
05.27.09 #       <yeft> it just might be sloppier
05.27.47 #       <yeft> ipod linux worth mentioning?
05.28.00 #       <dongs> no. waste of time.
05.28.13 #       <dongs> btw there IS one feature im really missing from rockbox
05.28.18 #       <dongs> or maybe dont know how to use it.
05.28.25 #       <dongs> i need 'delete file currently playing' feature.
05.28.37 #       <dongs> i found teh best way to make playlists of shit is just dleete shit i dont want ot listen to
05.28.43 #       <dongs> and i know i can delete from file browser
05.28.45 #       <yeft> are the screenshots at rockbox.org accurate?
05.28.52 #       <dongs> more or less.
05.28.53 #       <dongs> what are you lookign at?
05.28.58 #       <yeft> the color guys
05.29.04 #       <dongs> the UI largely depends on the wps screen used
05.29.11 #       <scorche> yeft: search in the wiki for the ipod5gwps page
05.29.20 #       <scorche> something liek that
05.29.34 #       <scorche> i would link you, but i am doing too many things at once >_<
05.29.41 #       <yeft> thanks
05.30.15 #       <yeft> scorche: exactly what i was lookin for
05.30.17 #       <dongs> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
05.30.32 #       <yeft> man that is so much sexier than ipod
05.30.39 #       <dongs> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpod5g/Night.png
05.30.40 #       <dongs> best one ever
05.31.59 #       <yeft> looks like a black screen to me
05.32.20 #       <yeft> i think the guy from t-mobile support lied to me
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05.33.07 #       <yeft> said they'd send me an email to unlock my phone
05.33.10 #       <yeft> aint happened yet
05.34.46 #       <dongs> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpod5g/kelp.png
05.34.49 #       <dongs> thats awesome.
05.35.23 #       <yeft> i think turntables looks good
05.36.03 #       <yeft> and the one i'm gonna use is ipodgreen5g
05.36.17 #       <yeft> http://solutions-i.org/julius/images/g5gaab.jpg
05.37.13 #       <yeft> how about album art with rockbox?
05.37.17 #       <yeft> thats a big thing with em
05.37.19 #       <yeft> me*
05.37.27 #       <scorche> yeft: there is a patch for it
05.37.36 #       <yeft> scorche: goorrrgeeouuss
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05.42.15 #       <dongs> lol ambum art
05.45.25 #       <yeft> ?
05.45.29 #       <yeft> whats so funny
05.45.44 #       <scorche> yeft: like i said..ignore him =P
05.45.59 #       <yeft> ah, i'll have to learn that one
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05.53.47 #       <yeft> well here goes nothing
05.55.31 #       <dongs> heh heh
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06.09.25 #       <yeft> rockbox error -1
06.09.27 #       <yeft> sweet
06.10.04 #       <yeft> oh
06.10.08 #       <yeft> haha i didnt put rockbox on yet
06.10.25 #       <yeft> common mistake
06.14.43 #       <yeft> where do i getmyself a .rockbox folder
06.16.24 #       <scorche> from the site
06.16.35 #       <scorche> go to cvs builds tab
06.17.22 #       <yeft> haha nevermind
06.17.29 #       <yeft> starts with a . so linux hid it
06.17.31 #       <yeft> or ubuntu
06.17.39 #       <scorche> lol
06.17.43 #       <yeft> or whichever has the vendetta against .'s
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06.23.40 #       <yeft> scorche: is it safe to just delete Ipod_Control?
06.24.31 #       <yeft> scorche: or any of those folders for that matter (calander .. photos etc.. _
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07.08.04 #       <yeft> and why dont i have fonts :(
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07.09.39 #       <yeft> nevermind..
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07.50.21 #       <B4gder> bloody spammers
07.50.59 #       <yeft> tell me about it
07.52.05 #       <yeft> can give a good laugh every now and then
07.52.08 #       <yeft> though
07.52.31 #       <B4gder> not the wiki spammers we have, they never make me laugh...
07.53.17 #       <yeft> ah
07.53.44 #       <yeft> i got this in a spam mail once: http://www.gravitizer.com
07.53.52 #       <yeft> man did i laugh
07.54.38 #       <scorche> lol..wtf?
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07.55.48 #       <yeft> haha yep
07.56.00 #       <yeft> thats what i said
07.56.26 #       <B4gder> deny from, deny from, ...
07.56.30 #       <midkay> yeft, haha.
07.56.38 #       <yeft> look who decided to show up
07.56.53 #       <midkay> yeft, when did you ask a question?
07.57.06 #       <yeft> i days ago
07.57.10 #       <midkay> what was it?!
07.57.17 #       <yeft> haha just kidding
07.57.20 #       <yeft> not in a while really
07.57.25 #       <scorche> "do you like men?"
07.57.26 #       <yeft> i'm movin back to the light side
07.58.21 #       <yeft> is that cache thinger good?
07.58.27 #       <yeft> i'm reloadin all my files
07.58.44 #       <midkay> yeft, you said 'upset by no response'.. you mean a response to your entering the room? 'hi'. :)
07.59.06 #       <midkay> scorche, well, you thought of that pretty quick.. do *you*?
07.59.06 #       <midkay> :)
07.59.17 #       * scorche slyly winks at midkay
07.59.21 #       <yeft> oh my gay
07.59.42 #       <midkay> scorche, ooh, hoo.. *winks back*
07.59.49 #       <midkay> i'll see *you* after class, mister.
07.59.55 #       <midkay> for some... extra credit.
08.00.06 #       <scorche> =O
08.00.11 #       <yeft> yeft changes topic to : Rockgay
08.00.48 #       <midkay> those slang words for homosexuality offend me, yeft. there's nothing wrong with it.
08.01.09 #       <yeft> not sayin there is.. i didnt know gay was offensive
08.01.39 #       <midkay> well, uh, check your, uh, offensive, uh, dictionary, because, uh, it's, uh.. you know.. pretty, uh.. well, you know where i'm going with this.
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08.05.49 #       <yeft> midkay: MSU? or is that not you
08.07.29 #       <midkay> msu?
08.07.41 #       <yeft> nevermind then
08.07.44 #       <scorche> midkay state university
08.07.53 #       <midkay> haha.
08.07.57 #       <midkay> yeft, no.. what?!
08.08.06 #       <yeft> what
08.08.11 #       <midkay> 'msu'?
08.08.36 #       <yeft> Michigan State University
08.08.50 #       <yeft> nevermind
08.08.51 #       <yeft> really
08.08.54 #       <yeft> foolishness
08.09.12 #       <midkay> what the hell does that have anything to do with anything?
08.09.23 #       <midkay> how can that 'not be me', or for that matter, 'be me'?!
08.09.39 #       <yeft> if you went to msu
08.09.42 #       <yeft> that would be you
08.10.12 #       <midkay> .. how/why would that make any difference to anything at all?
08.10.20 #       <yeft> i was just curious
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08.11.01 #       <midkay> erm. well. no... i haven't even reached the point where i have a choice to go to a university yet... :)
08.11.11 #       <yeft> oh
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08.11.40 #       <yeft> ok
08.11.42 #       <yeft> well anyway
08.12.00 #       <yeft> what does rockbox do when its doin that file cache thing? just lock up?
08.12.14 #       <midkay> tagcache?
08.12.21 #       <midkay> no.. not at all.. just accesses the disk.
08.12.26 #       <yeft> yeah
08.12.35 #       <yeft> well last time i tried it just locked up
08.12.48 #       <yeft> tagcache work with nested folders?
08.13.19 #       <midkay> yes, your entire rockbox partition..
08.13.21 #       <scorche> scans the whole drive
08.13.22 #       <midkay> and it shouldn't..
08.13.27 #       <midkay> or maybe the whole drive.
08.13.27 #       <midkay> :)
08.13.33 #       <scorche> =)
08.13.38 #       <yeft> sweeeet
08.13.40 #       <midkay> +at least.. as in "at least your entire rockbox partition".
08.13.42 #       <midkay> :)
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08.15.32 #       <yeft> cant wait til i know how to code shit..
08.15.36 #       <midkay> haha.
08.15.56 #       <yeft> maybe work on that album art thing to use jpgs too
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08.18.35 #       <midkay> well, jpg decoding isn't in the rockbox core, and so you'd have to add it (quite unlikely to be accepted, i think) or load it via the plugin (unlikely also)..
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08.19.46 #       <yeft> midkay: you use rockbox on your 5g right?
08.20.07 #       <midkay> yeah.
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08.20.39 #       <daurn|afk> libjpeg
08.20.41 #       <daurn|afk> just port it
08.20.41 #       <daurn|afk> :S
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08.20.55 #       <B4gder> we already have jpeg code
08.21.02 #       <yeft> midkay: what theme you use?
08.21.28 #       <BHSPitLappy> daurnimator: port TerminatorX! :D
08.21.29 #       <midkay> yeft, a modified version of my posted brushed metal theme.. i still need to get around to posting it. :)
08.21.33 #       <midkay> maybe tonight.
08.21.36 #       <BHSPitLappy> that would pretty much be awesome on an iPod
08.22.01 #       <BHSPitLappy> but impossible due to damn technical limitations
08.22.27 #       <midkay> okay....
08.22.27 #       <yeft> midkay: its a nice one
08.22.35 #       <yeft> i'm in love with the green5g though
08.22.36 #       <midkay> yeft, thx, rather simple..
08.22.40 #       <yeft> i think its unreal
08.22.49 #       <midkay> as in veryvery cool?
08.23.01 #       <yeft> yes
08.23.40 #       <midkay> ah..
08.29.48 #       <shadou> if ya girl steps up, i'm smackin the hoe
08.30.02 #       <yeft> good philosophy to live by
08.30.10 #       <shadou> aye
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08.37.43 #       <sharpe> i'm back...
08.38.04 #       <BHSPitLappy> I'm front!
08.38.41 #       <sharpe> such great fun. two shows, one car breakdown...
08.39.03 #       <sharpe> half an hour of a failed attempt to get the vehicle running...
08.39.48 #       <yeft> sharpe: in some sort of band?
08.40.32 #       <sharpe> yeft: nope, just went to see different ones. the breakdown was going home earlier this day/afternoon/evening/night/morning.
08.41.25 #       <yeft> ah nice
08.41.31 #       <yeft> seeing any good bands?
08.41.57 #       <sharpe> ah, went to see some local bands really...
08.42.13 #       <yeft> oh ok
08.42.34 #       <sharpe> mercy mercedes, he is legend, youth electronics, fall of troy, and some other i can't remember...
08.43.19 #       <yeft> never heard of em..
08.43.21 #       <sharpe> but they're all local.
08.43.25 #       <sharpe> tis probably why...
08.43.26 #       <yeft> probably why
08.44.27 #       <yeft> i love linux
08.44.38 #       <yeft> linux has trouble copying a file,, it can tell you and you skip it
08.44.43 #       <sharpe> didn't plan on being away from home for three days until a little bit before we left for the first show on friday...
08.44.54 #       <yeft> windows has trouble copying a file it goes down a pile of shit leaving you guessing where it left off
08.45.16 #       <sharpe> yeft: that's why we use the msdos. :D
08.45.30 #       <sharpe> not just dos, but msdos.
08.45.46 #       <yeft> ill take your word for it
08.45.50 #       <sharpe> hah
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08.47.48 #       <BHSPitLappy> XP got broken on my mom's (/brother's/family's) computer
08.47.52 #       <BHSPitLappy> so I installed ubuntu
08.47.57 #       <BHSPitLappy> refused to fix XP
08.48.02 #       <sharpe> i never have any problems with windows... :\
08.48.05 #       <BHSPitLappy> they've been getting used to it ever since
08.48.06 #       <BHSPitLappy> lol
08.48.33 #       <BHSPitLappy> sharpe: then you haven't lived!
08.48.34 #       <sharpe> argh. damn childproof caps.
08.48.39 #       <B4gder> sharpe: then you're either not using it or you should buy a few lottery tickets as well
08.48.50 #       <midkay> B4gder, haha.
08.48.54 #       <BHSPitLappy> hahaha
08.49.05 #       <sharpe> finally.
08.49.08 #       <BHSPitLappy> night all
08.49.10 #       * midkay uses it and doesn't... usually.. have any.. major.. problems...
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08.49.39 #       <sharpe> har... har...?
08.49.59 #       <sharpe> yay
08.50.01 #       <sharpe> cotton!
08.50.16 #       <midkay> any small things i ever have a problem with once in a while certainly outweigh the countless hours i'd have to spend setting up libraries/dependencies/compiling only to not have access to the programs i need.
08.50.19 #       <yeft> if your just gonna be a normal user (internet/word processing) that kind of stuf.f. ubuntu is perfect
08.50.54 #       <sharpe> ooh. multi-colored tylenol...
08.51.11 #       <midkay> ...
08.51.13 #       <yeft> midkay: its more fun to compile set up libraries than restart every 5 minutes
08.51.27 #       <yeft> at least your doing something
08.51.31 #       <midkay> yeft, i never have to restart against my wille except when updating windows once a month..
08.51.35 #       <midkay> will*
08.51.45 #       <sharpe> i suppose B4gder is right... i must not be using windows right... :)
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08.52.04 #       <yeft> plus i boot up in 20 seconds flat
08.52.05 #       <midkay> and restarting only takes <1 minute, versus potential hours of compiling/configuring.. then incompatibilities..
08.52.27 #       <midkay> getting libraries that depend on libraries that depend on libraries.. you know the drill (i hope).
08.52.41 #       <sharpe> heheh, i can make my boot time extremely long if i leave my usb stick plugged in.
08.52.54 #       <midkay> ha... ha?
08.52.57 #       <yeft> ubuntu's package manager loves gettin dependencies and the such
08.52.59 #       <B4gder> sharpe: you did say "never" not just "rarely" and that just doesn't exist in software
08.53.00 #       <sharpe> i just remembered...
08.53.22 #       <midkay> if only those dependencies added up to run apps i need..
08.53.31 #       <midkay> not to mention games.
08.53.33 #       <sharpe> eh, i meant major problems... :)
08.53.38 #       <yeft> sharpe: if i have my ubuntu hard drive powered on my windows boot time goes up 5x and windows is slow as all hell.. i'm still tryin to figure that out
08.53.48 #       <yeft> i'm in love with linux
08.53.52 #       <yeft> you'll never change me
08.54.05 #       <midkay> and you won't me... :)
08.54.07 #       <yeft> unless vista is knock your socks of perfect (doubting it..)
08.54.07 #       <sharpe> i hate sunburns. especially the after-effects...
08.54.27 #       <yeft> yeah that whole tanning thing sucks ass
08.54.50 #       <sharpe> hah. reminds me of a tanless product, commercial i had seen once...
08.54.52 #       <sharpe> er
08.54.57 #       <sharpe> sunless tanning product
08.55.11 #       <yeft> you mean orange paint
08.55.15 #       <sharpe> one of the hosts was like, orange...
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08.57.49 #       <sharpe> i'm going to try to get some sleep...
08.57.59 #       <dj-fu> ubuntu is gay
08.58.03 #       <dj-fu> just thought I'd mention that
08.58.06 #       <sharpe> perfect timing too.
08.58.15 #       <B4gder> yeah, and gay means happy, right?
08.58.19 #       <dj-fu> no
08.58.21 #       <dj-fu> gay means homosexual
08.58.23 #       <dj-fu> i.e; horribly bad
08.58.28 #       <B4gder> now now
08.58.32 #       <B4gder> take that somewhere else
08.58.36 #       <sharpe> depends on your stance of homosexuality.
08.58.41 #       <dj-fu> correct
08.58.58 #       <dj-fu> in my stance, my previous statement boils down to ubuntu is horribly bad
08.59.19 #       <yeft> dj-fu why is that
08.59.20 #       <sharpe> apathetically, it would mean something along the lines of "alright; whatever; cool...; etc."
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08.59.35 #       <dj-fu> yeft: it's just like any binary based distro
08.59.39 #       <dj-fu> might aswell run doze
08.59.41 #       <B4gder> hahaha
08.59.56 #       <yeft> dj-fu: what cant i do on ubuntu that i can do on something eslse
09.00.10 #       <dj-fu> experience the true power?
09.00.21 #       <dj-fu> not be gay? ;x
09.00.22 #       <yeft> anything specific.. or just experience the power
09.00.24 #       <sharpe> so you compile your own operating system without using another if they're sucky because their binaries are distributed? wouldn't that be hard?
09.00.44 #       <dj-fu> no that wouldn't be hard
09.00.49 #       <dj-fu> that was confusing
09.00.51 #       <dj-fu> please rewords
09.00.53 #       <B4gder> if you compile it yourself, it somehow magically becomes much better
09.01.03 #       <yeft> i think b4dger got it right
09.01.03 #       <B4gder> and you get to wait a lot more
09.01.20 #       <dj-fu> and you can compile debug symbols, and you can optimize for your processor
09.01.27 #       <dj-fu> (need I say more in a channel full of developers?)
09.01.35 #       <yeft> my ubuntu is optimized for my processor
09.01.37 #       <sharpe> processor? what's that?
09.01.38 #       * B4gder picks debian any day
09.01.41 #       <yeft> i think
09.01.50 #       <dj-fu> yeft: oh? lol
09.01.51 #       <yeft> isnt ubuntu technically debian?
09.01.59 #       <yeft> amd64
09.01.59 #       <dj-fu> no, it's southafrican debian.
09.02.03 #       <B4gder> debian based at least
09.02.07 #       <sharpe> a rare breed.
09.02.29 #       <B4gder> and Mark (ubuntu founder) clearly knows about us btw
09.02.43 #       <B4gder> "Rockbox rocks" as he said
09.02.44 #       <sharpe> what about sharpe?
09.02.49 #       <sharpe> does he know sharpe?
09.02.49 #       <yeft> well it does
09.02.51 #       <dj-fu> who's sharpe?
09.03.07 #       <sharpe> eh. dude i know.
09.03.16 #       <dj-fu> ah, callackalackin.
09.03.18 #       <yeft> my favorite thing about rockbox of all time was video on my monochrome FM20
09.03.27 #       <yeft> that still amazes me
09.03.56 #       <dj-fu> you killed it
09.04.01 #       <dj-fu> I was trying to bash ubuntu
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09.04.07 #       <dj-fu> and you made me loose my train of bashing
09.04.15 #       <yeft> dj-fu i'm sorry
09.04.23 #       <yeft> we can start back up if you'd like
09.04.30 #       <dj-fu> no that's alright
09.04.41 #       <yeft> lets see.. today i barely had to type any bash commands
09.04.42 #       <yeft> go
09.04.54 #       <dj-fu> why would you not want to type bash commands
09.04.57 #       <dj-fu> that's like, the coolest thing
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09.05.23 #       <dj-fu> blah!
09.05.26 #       <sharpe> alright, it's time for that much needed sleep. goodnight everybody.
09.05.27 #       <yeft> well its just nicer if you dont have to
09.05.30 #       <dj-fu> I'm going to play guildwars. toodles.
09.05.35 #       <yeft> later
09.07.11 #       <markun> B4gder: why would anyone create multiple wiki accounts.. (DeFt and OheRi)
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09.07.47 #       <B4gder> spammers
09.08.11 #       <B4gder> they like to make "Ohe*" names for some reason
09.08.16 #       <B4gder> I bet the script they use do it
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09.08.30 #       <yeft> cant you block Ohe*
09.09.05 #       <sharpe> but what if there is a legitimate Ohe*?
09.09.09 #       <B4gder> deny from 82.209.208.95
09.09.15 #       <B4gder> block block block
09.09.20 #       <B4gder> if there's a legit one, then too bad
09.09.20 #       <sharpe> pacman!
09.10.11 #       <markun> a girl wanted to create nancy.callahan@yahoo but it was refused because it contains the word 'allah'
09.10.20 #       <yeft> hahah
09.10.22 #       <yeft> good stuff
09.10.22 #       <sharpe> heheh
09.10.48 #       <yeft> wonder how often she gets that
09.10.50 #       <B4gder> she must be a terrorist
09.11.01 #       <markun> yes, very likely :)
09.11.29 #       <scorche> B4gder: ubuntu guy also said "rockbox is linux for your ipod" =P
09.11.43 #       <B4gder> yeah, well... :-)
09.11.56 #       <sharpe> heh....
09.12.14 #       <sharpe> it's the non-linux linux equivalent for your ipod...
09.13.01 #       <scorche> not really
09.13.06 #       <scorche> but i know what you meant =)
09.13.11 #       <sharpe> compared to windows.
09.13.16 #       <sharpe> ah
09.13.27 #       <sharpe> i haven't told you i hate you today, haven't i?
09.13.30 #       <yeft> linux : windows :: rockbox : apple firmware
09.13.38 #       <scorche> there ya go
09.13.46 #       <scorche> sharpe: <3
09.13.50 #       <sharpe> hah.
09.14.35 #       <sharpe> psch. flash flood warning? who cares...
09.15.29 #       <sharpe> it's a watch, but still, same attitude...
09.15.53 #       <sharpe> alright, finally, third or fourth time, g'night everyone.
09.17.21 #       <B4gder> seems a fair amount of our wikispammers come from belarus
09.17.43 #       <B4gder> "Republican Unitary Enterprise BELTELECOM"
09.18.40 #       * B4gder blocks out that whole operator
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09.19.30 #       <B4gder> a few more recent users look suspicious
09.19.52 #       <B4gder> but I'll let them remain until they make a move and whipe them out then
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09.34.51 #       <XavierGr> there is a lot of spam activity lately
09.34.55 #       <B4gder> yeah
09.34.57 #       <XavierGr> I wonder why
09.35.06 #       <B4gder> and now again...
09.35.54 #       <B4gder> from korea now
09.36.00 #       <B4gder> Ohe* again
09.36.57 #       <B4gder> XavierGr: I would guess they use the same script/app
09.37.07 #       <XavierGr> more probably
09.37.10 #       <B4gder> that somehow brings them either money or cred somewhere
09.37.30 #       <B4gder> the recent ones have all submitted similar attachments
09.39.41 #       <B4gder> in fact
09.39.45 #       <B4gder> google for "ohere"
09.40.00 #       <B4gder> and you find "Polyphonic ringtones. Nokia ringtones." in our wiki... :-(
09.40.35 #       <Zagor> crap
09.40.44 #       <B4gder> and posted URLs all over pointing out that URL in our wiki
09.40.55 #       <Zagor> we need to add the "nofollow" stuff again
09.41.10 #       <XavierGr> genre9mp3 also reported many attachments in the wiki which are not deleted yet
09.41.14 #       <B4gder> but in this case they feed the engines by posting links to our site all over
09.41.16 #       <Zagor> yes, our site has a high pagerank. that makes it attractive for spammers.
09.41.28 #       <Zagor> hmm, right
09.41.29 #       <B4gder> XavierGr: not to me
09.42.30 #       <XavierGr> hmm I remember he googled whole rockbox.org with "index of:" and found many attachments which are not viewable in the wiki itself
09.42.51 #       <B4gder> well, google remember lots of that stuff that we have deleted
09.43.12 #       <B4gder> I did a lot of cleaning yday and today
09.43.35 #       <XavierGr> ah okay then
09.45.06 #       <B4gder> check the wiki stats for a sad look
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09.47.15 #       <XavierGr> hmm where was the link for wiki stats...
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09.51.55 #       <Zagor> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebStatistics
09.56.59 #       <XavierGr> 10q
09.57.36 #       <yeft> how many directories can rockbox handle
09.57.46 #       <yeft> i've got about 800 and i'm gettin Dir buffer is full
09.58.06 #       <scorche> yeft: youcan increase the number in an option
09.58.46 #       <yeft> scorche: got it thanks
10.02.13 #       <yeft> and whats the nature of the tag cache?
10.02.19 #       <yeft> do i have to do it everytime i add a file?
10.03.33 #       <markun> yeft: if you have dircache and tag cache in ram enable it should auto update
10.04.11 #       <yeft> what if tagcache isnt in ram?
10.04.29 #       <yeft> i feel like if the tag cache were in the ram it would take up a lot of space
10.04.30 #       <scorche> then set it to be
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10.04.46 #       <markun> then it's on your hd and will not be updated
10.04.55 #       <yeft> ive got about 6k of files
10.04.56 #       <markun> At least I think
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10.05.09 #       <markun> I have about 5k
10.05.15 #       <yeft> and you load it to ram?
10.05.43 #       <markun> I don't use tagcache. But right now I have it in ram to try it out.
10.05.52 #       <markun> Don't know how big it is
10.07.35 #       * scorche searches in vain for a snack of the dessert variety
10.08.28 #       <yeft> hopefully that works
10.08.31 #       <yeft> thanks guys
10.08.31 #       <yeft> night
10.08.39 #       <scorche> night\
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10.42.26 #       <amiconn> The wiki stats look really odd now.
10.42.40 #       <amiconn> Is there no way to remove spammers completely?
10.42.49 #       <B4gder> the spammers are removed completely
10.42.56 #       <B4gder> but the stats are made from some kind of logs
10.43.21 #       <amiconn> Hmm.
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10.48.17 #       <amiconn> Still looking rather ugly. The real contributors are hidden by the (removed) spammers...
10.48.26 #       <B4gder> yeah
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10.58.15 #       <Lynx_> is the cvs log working normally?
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11.00.18 #       <B4gder> "the cvs log" ?
11.02.57 #       <Lynx_> the log of recent cvs activity as seen on the homepage
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11.03.43 #       <B4gder> looks ok to me
11.04.13 #       <Lynx_> ok, i just wondered because i remember ist was completely gone a day or so ago, an now it does not show commits for the last 3 days which is unusual i guess.
11.04.45 #       <B4gder> there hasn't been any commits since june 23
11.05.05 #       <Lynx_> ok. a sunny weekend effect maybe ;)
11.05.33 #       <B4gder> vacation times coming up and feature freeze starting to really hurt us
11.06.00 #       <Paprica> you right..
11.06.01 #       <B4gder> or rather almost nobody actually tries to fix the outstanding problems
11.06.12 #       <Paprica> it's the feature freeze
11.06.25 #       <Lynx_> i hope there are not too many devs who get bored with rockbox over the freeze and turn to other things
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11.07.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, it's not like they can't keep working on their own stuff. Plenty of them do instead of fixing bugs.
11.07.37 #       <amiconn> B4gder: The cvs time display on the webpages is still wrong
11.08.14 #       <B4gder> yeah
11.08.16 #       <amiconn> It's supposed to show UTC, but still shows local time (CEST)
11.08.39 #       <amiconn> ...and the time in viewcvs is further off (by another hour)
11.08.48 #       <B4gder> haha
11.10.07 #       <B4gder> it seems cvs has started to show the times in the local time zone
11.10.31 #       <B4gder> and my script just displays what CVS gives
11.11.39 #       <B4gder> and I believe CVS fails to do so correctly
11.11.49 #       <B4gder> date: 2006-03-27 23:20:35 +0200;  author: dan
11.11.55 #       <B4gder> date: 2006-02-21 11:21:48 +0100;  author: dan
11.12.13 #       <B4gder> I doubt he moved or changed DST in that time
11.12.14 #       <amiconn> Afaik you can tell cvs what time to display
11.12.43 #       <scorche> my cat is acting like she caught something >_>
11.12.46 #       * scorche goes to check
11.12.49 #       <B4gder> "-z Show  times  in  the  selected  records using the specified time zone instead of UTC."
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11.13.13 #       <amiconn> DST started 2006-03-25 ...
11.13.19 #       <B4gder> oh
11.13.23 #       <B4gder> then it was right
11.13.24 #       <scorche> ooo...it is a tiny mouse
11.13.26 #       <tucoz> B4gder: have you installed this plugin? http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WikiSpam
11.13.31 #       <B4gder> no
11.13.36 #       <scorche> gratefully, she hasnt disemboweled it yet
11.13.48 #       <tucoz> ok
11.17.43 #       <preglow> scorche: put her on your finest carpet, then let her go at it
11.17.49 #       <scorche> crap...i borrowed it from her to play with....and i lost it >_<
11.18.53 #       <B4gder> "TZ=UTC cvs log blablabla" works fine
11.20.42 #       <B4gder> there, front page times fixed
11.21.35 #       <Zagor> amiconn: i'm looking at installing the BlackListPlugin
11.21.39 #       <tucoz> B4gder: do you allow the search robots to index the history/revision pages in the wiki?
11.22.03 #       <tucoz> http://chongqed.org/prevent_spam.html
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11.22.15 #       <tucoz> there are some nice tips there
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11.23.15 #       <tucoz> but the twiki site in general seem to have taken the wikispam issue seriously
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12.57.01 #       <preglow> i love it when people suggest features we already have
12.59.55 #       <Nibbler> you pretend to code it especially for them within 2 minutes?
13.03.46 #       <preglow> no, i'm just left with the choice of whether to rudely ask people to please find out what features we already have before posting, or just closing it
13.04.57 #       <Nibbler> :]
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13.12.13 #       <B4gder> it also makes you wonder why the ask for it
13.12.26 #       <B4gder> since they clearly didn't try rockbox to see if it has it
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13.13.12 #       <B4gder> "oh here's a nice feature I read about on [url] let's ask if rockbox can add it"
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13.30.15 #       <markun> preglow: which feature was it?
13.30.31 #       <PaulJam> crossfeed
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13.40.17 #       <Genre9mp3> Damn this OheRe is back!
13.41.07 #       <Genre9mp3> And who's this KillerWolfe?
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13.45.55 #       <XavierGr> It is funny to see that OheRe has a mail at rockbox.org LOL
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13.58.21 #       <]RowaN[> guys what is the ipodnano port of rockbox like? my n00b friend is lending me his to fill up with songs, and i was considering installing rockbox for him too
13.58.48 #       <]RowaN[> i mean i know rockbox is nice but whats the state of that port like
13.59.22 #       <preglow> it works
13.59.27 #       <preglow> but with some quirks here and there
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14.01.10 #       <]RowaN[> sounds about the same as the h120 port then?  =p
14.01.54 #       <preglow> haha
14.01.55 #       <preglow> no
14.02.00 #       <preglow> h120 port is more polished
14.02.04 #       <preglow> less glitches
14.02.27 #       <XavierGr> h10 port is near perfect
14.02.31 #       <XavierGr> h100 too
14.02.43 #       <Genre9mp3> XavierGr: H10?
14.02.48 #       <XavierGr> (not h10)
14.02.52 #       <]RowaN[> whats the rockbox installation procedure for the ipodnano? does it leave you able to use the original firmware still, like the h120?
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14.03.45 #       <preglow> yes
14.04.32 #       <]RowaN[> i assume with rockbox installed u can use the ipod by dragging/dropping in explorer.. how does the original firmware like files transferred in that way?
14.06.15 #       <linuxstb> It ignores them.
14.06.17 #       <preglow> not at all
14.06.25 #       <]RowaN[> hehe
14.06.44 #       <preglow> if you want to use both oses, you need to use the itunes method to transfer files
14.06.47 #       <preglow> then use tagcache in rockbox
14.07.06 #       <]RowaN[> itunes method?
14.07.11 #       <preglow> linuxstb: btw, does retailos keep the tag database in memory at all times?
14.07.22 #       <]RowaN[> itunes is some kind of.. program right hehe
14.08.20 #       <PaulJam> aren't there 3rd party programms to rebiuld the itunes database after having transferred files via dra and drop?
14.09.38 #       <t0mas> yes
14.09.43 #       <t0mas> there's for example a winamp plugin
14.09.57 #       <preglow> there are filename/dirname length limitations with that
14.10.28 #       <t0mas> wasn't that enough for simeple artist/album/00-title.mp3 files?
14.10.33 #       <t0mas> *simple
14.10.45 #       <preglow> well
14.10.55 #       <t0mas> depends on the names... true...
14.10.57 #       <preglow> i've got tracks that would neatly crush that as well, if the limit is too low
14.10.59 #       <linuxstb> preglow: I think so.  It's been a while since I used it, but I don't remember the disk spinning when browsing the database.
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14.11.53 #       <preglow> 06-The Dark Liege of Chaos Is Unleashed at the Ensorcelled Shrine of A'Zura-Kai (The Splendour of a Thousand Swords Gleaming Beneath the Blazon of the Hyperborean.ogg
14.11.56 #       <preglow> that, for example
14.11.59 #       <preglow> haha
14.12.01 #       <ryran> good freakin' morning everyone
14.12.02 #       <preglow> i think the itunesdb will barf on
14.12.13 #       <ryran> ['cept I know it's night for a lot of you]
14.12.36 #       <linuxstb> I think the limit used to be 56 characters, but I read that it's been reduced even more in newer versions of the Apple firmware.
14.13.27 #       <B4gder> anyone with a gmail invite for me?
14.13.36 #       <preglow> i've got a million
14.13.44 #       <preglow> email addy for invite?
14.13.50 #       <ryran> oh apple...why oh why do big companies with lots of potential make stupid decisions...
14.14.02 #       <B4gder> preglow: daniel [at] haxx.se thanks
14.14.28 #       <preglow> B4gder: away
14.14.34 #       <B4gder> got it, thanks
14.15.14 #       <]RowaN[> does the nano build let you put the rockbox executable inside the rockbox directory?
14.16.18 #       <linuxstb> Yes.
14.16.41 #       <ryran> man I wish I understood more about cvs and compiling...
14.17.41 #       <preglow> ryran: you can accomplish that through this process called "learning", i've heard
14.18.04 #       <ryran> mmmm. yes.
14.18.05 #       <ryran> learning.
14.18.32 #       <]RowaN[> learning sounds hard
14.18.50 #       <Zagor> how was last looking at the the ipod dock interface?
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14.18.55 #       <Zagor> s/how/who
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14.19.15 #       <ryran> bastard
14.19.15 #       <linuxstb> I don't think anyone was.
14.19.40 #       <Zagor> aha. my mind plays tricks with me again...
14.20.11 #       <B4gder> Zagor: Christi said she wanted to do that but I don't think she ever started
14.20.42 #       <linuxstb> Apparently the IPL people have tried getting the serial port communication with accessories working on the 4gs and later - the status seems to be that they've implemented the driver, but can't get it to talk to anything.
14.21.23 #       <amiconn> Sounds familiar... but the chance for a solution are very low w/o hw docs
14.21.25 #       <ryran> can someone give me a little help? I'm trying to understand when I should use values other than "0" for the -p switch (when patching cvs)?
14.22.46 #       <linuxstb> ryran: Open up the patch in a text editor and look at the filenames at the top.  The p option tells the patch command how many directories to strip from the start of those filenames when looking for the file to patch on your computer.
14.22.55 #       <ryran> ooooooo....
14.23.20 #       <ryran> hmmm.
14.23.40 #       <ryran> why would I ever need to do anything other than 0 though?
14.23.55 #       <Zagor> Do we know any accessory that uses many of the functions in the dock? I know some car integration kits even send logos to the ipod, but a car is not the best place to reverse-engineer this... :-)
14.24.11 #       <B4gder> ryran: if you do 'cd firmware/drivers' and the patch includes 'firmware/drivers' in the path name in the top
14.24.32 #       <B4gder> for example
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14.27.31 #       <Zagor> otoh a simple accessory is easier to start with
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14.32.45 #       <linuxstb> Zagor: I assume you've seen this? http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol
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14.33.23 #       <Zagor> yes
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14.37.06 #       <amiconn> Iiuc the protocol is known to some extent; what does not work is the serial driver itself
14.37.22 #       <amiconn> The serial i/f is part of the PP ...
14.38.02 #       <dj-fu> hey
14.38.05 #       <dj-fu> what's a rockbox error -4
14.38.07 #       <dj-fu> on the bootloader?
14.40.17 #       <linuxstb> It means the file is corrupt - the file read is failing.
14.41.12 #       <dj-fu> hrm. that's not good
14.41.49 #       <linuxstb> Try running a filesystem check and then copy Rockbox again.
14.42.12 #       <dj-fu> I had it running not too long ago but the partition kept not wanting to show up in windows
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14.42.14 #       <dj-fu> pos windows.
14.42.50 #       <Zagor> amiconn: aha, ok
14.43.27 #       * linuxstb gives Zagor a copy of IDA Pro and a constant supply of coffee...
14.43.40 #       <Zagor> :-)
14.43.51 #       * B4gder offers some more coffee
14.44.59 #       <dj-fu> is 5minutes for a .rockbox & rockbox.ipod copy to a nano pretty standard?
14.45.03 #       <dj-fu> I don't remeber ir being this slow
14.45.12 #       <dj-fu> s/ir/it/
14.45.23 #       <linuxstb> The emergency disk mode is slow - boot to Apple's firmware for a faster disk mode.
14.45.35 #       <Zagor> ipl seems to be able to use the remote control serial port though. of course it could be connected differently
14.45.47 #       <linuxstb> Maybe on the 3g and earlier.
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14.46.11 #       <Zagor> oh, later ones don't have the remote port?
14.46.15 #       <linuxstb> The 1g-3g use the PP5002, which is completely different to the PP502x family used in the later ipods.
14.46.17 #       <ryran> cvs/patching question again: if I'm having trouble getting multiple patches to agree with the source, is there some easy way (like some tool or something) that I can see where the conflicts are and like.. choose what to use?
14.46.18 #       * Zagor is an ipod newbie
14.46.30 #       <dj-fu> diff? ;]
14.46.46 #       <B4gder> ryran: the "hunks" that don't apply get saved in a .rej file
14.46.53 #       <ryran> roight
14.46.53 #       <B4gder> read that and apply those changes manually
14.47.03 #       <B4gder> can be everything from very easy to very hard
14.47.24 #       <ryran> I guess this has turned out to be too big of a project to figure out at work.
14.47.27 #       <ryran> darn.
14.47.28 #       <ryran> :D
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14.49.31 #       <ryran> question #3 re dry-run switch for patch: is the following proper syntax? [ patch --dry-run -p0 < patchfile ]
14.50.50 #       <B4gder> yes
14.50.59 #       <ryran> hmmm
14.51.39 #       <dongs> so i left my ipod cable at work, and i want to copy 2 mp3s to listen to tomorrow on teh way to work
14.51.43 #       <dongs> waht should I do?
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14.53.23 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Some of the later units do have a remote control port (my mini g2 has, and I even have a simple remote for it). But as linuxstb said, we are unable to control the serial port on PP5020+
14.53.36 #       <Zagor> ok
14.53.37 #       <ryran> B4gder: it seems like the dry-run switch doesn't actually save the .rej files.. is that correct?
14.53.42 #       <dongs> anyone have any idea for me?
14.54.26 #       <B4gder> ryran: yes, dry run means it doesn't actually do the patch so it makes no rej files either
14.54.39 #       <ryran> gotcha.. okay
14.56.57 #       <ryran> ugh. I wish I understood this. the rej file is so small and simple.. yet.. I have no idea what to do with it. guess I need to look for some tutorials.
14.57.59 #       <ryran> dongs: what are you asking??? how to transfer files to your ipod without a cable? are you serious?
14.58.30 #       <Zweiundvierzig> I once tried to do it with telepathy
14.58.33 #       <Zweiundvierzig> It was slow, but it worked.
14.58.42 #       <B4gder> dongs: for next time you should write a binary mode for the text editor and then you could enter the whole song by reading the bytes in from a hexdump! :-!
14.58.44 #       <ryran> hehehe...
14.58.52 #       <ryran> lol
14.59.15 #       <B4gder> rockbox needs hexl-mode
14.59.52 #       <Mikachu> if you had prepared a program for transferring on line-in maybe, but not unprepared
15.00.02 #       <Mikachu> i wouldn't say it's possible in any way
15.00.15 #       <Mikachu> unless you mean making a cable on the spot
15.00.51 #       <PaulJam> you could take out the hd and use it with an adapter.
15.01.11 #       <B4gder> get a bunch of paperclips and scotch tape and make a cable!
15.01.31 #       <dongs> ryran: correct
15.02.05 #       <ryran> eh..heh
15.02.47 #       <ryran> B4gder or anyone else: what's the switch & syntax for undo-ing a patch?
15.02.52 #       <freqmod> -R
15.02.53 #       <B4gder> add -R
15.03.18 #       <ryran> soooo "patch -R -p0 < patchfile"?
15.03.22 #       <dongs> well screw this. i'll copy those 2 songs to my phone and listen on that until i get to work.
15.03.25 #       <dongs> yes
15.03.39 #       <dongs> doesnt look like im going too far without a cable
15.05.47 #       <ryran> if one of my failed hunks is the english.lang file.. I can ignore it right?
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15.08.25 #       <Zweiundvierzig> [15:01:11] <B4gder> get a bunch of paperclips and scotch tape and make a cable! < Mac Gyver would be proud of you.
15.09.14 #       <B4gder> hah - you never seen MacGyver reverse engineer an mp3 player firmware. He's just a poor wannabe ;-)
15.09.37 #       <Zweiundvierzig> ^^
15.10.06 #       <webguest29> testing
15.10.10 #       <B4gder> or maybe I missed that episode! ;-P
15.10.18 #       <webguest29> hello@all
15.12.53 #       <ryran> could some ever-so-wonderful soul possibly explain to me what I could do with a .rej file, using http://b19.org/proj/SOURCES.rej as an example? (it's tiny)
15.14.42 #       <liyang> Look at it.
15.14.57 #       <Mikachu> you want to remove lines marked - and add lines marked +
15.15.14 #       <ryran> no lines are marked -
15.15.15 #       <ryran> hmmm
15.15.18 #       <Mikachu> good for you
15.15.22 #       <Mikachu> then you only have to add lines
15.16.28 #       <ryran> so.. I don't understand why it couldn't do it... itself
15.17.19 #       <Mikachu> because some of the unmarked lines are not the same anymore
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15.18.06 #       <ryran> mmmm
15.18.12 #       <B4gder> or you can improve patch and send them a patch with your improvements! ;-)
15.18.45 #       <ryran> I'm pretty sure the patches are fine.. it's just that I'm trying to apply like... 3 or 4
15.18.48 #       <ryran> ;)
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15.19.12 #       <B4gder> yes, we've noticed
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15.19.48 #       <ryran> so does *** 81,83 **** indicate a line number?
15.19.53 #       <Mikachu> yes
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15.20.49 #       <ryran> ok..so that's the line number that the patch specified? and the problem is that what the patch thought would be there.. isn't?
15.21.00 #       <B4gder> linuxstb: it'd make a nice picture with the sim running on it! ;-)
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16.01.05 #       <preglow> hahah
16.01.18 #       <preglow> showoff
16.01.51 #       <B4gder> haha
16.02.32 #       <linuxstb770> handwriting recognition is a Pain
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16.02.58 #       <linuxstb770> keyboard easier
16.03.39 #       <linuxstb> I give up...  That thing is slower than Rockbox's AAC decoder.
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16.04.35 #       <merbanan> linuxstb: what did you try ?
16.05.00 #       <merbanan> linuxstb: btw the ffmpeg aac decoder is taking shape
16.05.23 #       <linuxstb> I've just got a Nokia 770 internet tablet... - completely unrelated to AAC :)
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16.05.42 #       <linuxstb> Good to hear there's progress on the ffmpeg aac front though.
16.06.07 #       <preglow> merbanan: any progress reports?
16.07.16 #       <merbanan> preglow: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/soc2006/ look in the archives
16.08.07 #       <linuxstb> Ah, I didn't know the soc had its own list...
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16.11.35 #       <ryran> sweeeeeeeeeeeeetbigbootay. thanks for the tips B4gder and everyone else. I was able to get all five patches reconciled.
16.13.57 #       <B4gder> and OheRe is back...
16.14.14 #       <B4gder> 59.13.169.9 korea again
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16.58.11 #       <B4gder> 'ello
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18.33.43 #       <yeft> i'm am yet to have a forced tagcache wokr
18.33.46 #       <yeft> work*
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18.59.48 #       <muesli__> is there a possibilty to copy music files from an ipod to another computer or is it impossible at all? music should play of course
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19.00.40 #       <lou> mark files, copy them
19.00.44 #       <XavierGr> muesli: i think you can't do that but I am not sure
19.00.46 #       <lou> (in case you use rockbox)
19.01.20 #       <PaulJam> do you mean drm protected files?
19.01.29 #       <muesli__> yeah...
19.01.41 #       <muesli__> im not using rbx so far
19.02.07 #       <XavierGr> drm you can't
19.02.07 #       <muesli__> its my gfs ipod
19.02.26 #       <XavierGr> non-drm: I think you can only with itunes
19.02.38 #       <muesli__> she ripped some cds
19.02.41 #       <XavierGr> (using default firmware)
19.02.58 #       <XavierGr> with rockbox you can do whatever you like
19.03.25 #       <muesli__> XavierGr yeah..thats for sure//
19.03.55 #       <muesli__> im considering to install it..but she is of course not an expert..
19.04.26 #       <muesli__> once we break up she will be lost with it ;)
19.04.37 #       <PaulJam> I think the music files are in a hidden folder (ipod-control?), but they have strange filenames.
19.05.55 #       <muesli__> have to look at it since its the 1st time i can have a closer look to an ipod
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19.24.05 #       <_FireFly_> PaulJam: they aren*t in hidden folders but they have strange filenames like a number+ext
19.24.17 #       <_FireFly_> at least the non drm files for drm files i don*t know
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19.25.49 #       <RoC_MM> axfj.mp3
19.25.53 #       <RoC_MM> eiaz.mp3
19.26.14 #       <RoC_MM> they get randomly throw and distributed between directories with names like "f01" and "f02"
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19.26.20 #       <RoC_MM> not by album or song, just by randomness
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19.27.35 #       <XavierGr> RoC_MM: without rockbox or itunes, is it possible to copy music to the PC?
19.27.48 #       <RoC_MM> for sure
19.27.51 #       <RoC_MM> it's just sitting there
19.28.07 #       <RoC_MM> just look until you find the right song
19.28.09 #       <RoC_MM> or something
19.28.18 #       <RoC_MM>  /iPod_Control/Music/f03/sxae.mp3
19.28.28 #       <RoC_MM> or use yamipod or copypod or anapod or anything like that
19.28.37 #       <XavierGr> so windows (or linux) can read the filesytem that Apple uses?
19.28.43 #       <RoC_MM> it's fat32
19.28.56 #       <RoC_MM> they merely have renamed everything and randomly throw it in directories with random filenames
19.29.01 #       <XavierGr> I thought it was a different filesystem
19.29.04 #       <RoC_MM> no sir.
19.29.19 #       <XavierGr> but yeah even then
19.29.28 #       <XavierGr> what sort of stupidity is this
19.29.40 #       <XavierGr> I would never bought an iPod for this reason
19.29.51 #       <XavierGr> with rockbox this is another story though
19.30.18 #       <XavierGr> but I am a happy man with my H300 and H100
19.30.38 #       <XavierGr> best DAPs currently and that's why Rockbox is ported
19.30.43 #       <XavierGr> to them
19.31.00 #       <XavierGr> I mean they are best because of Rockbox
19.31.05 #       <Hansmaulwurf> 3.0 for H100 would be great :P
19.31.10 #       <XavierGr> (my syntax is flawed)
19.31.15 #       <XavierGr> indeed
19.31.26 #       <yeft> my ipod wont dismount :(
19.31.45 #       <XavierGr> Hansmaulwurf: but there is no difference from current CVS
19.31.48 #       <yeft> device busy...
19.31.53 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i know i know
19.31.57 #       <XavierGr> unless you are talking in a greater timescale
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19.32.17 #       <PaulJam> XavierGr: there are differences - less bugs
19.32.18 #       <XavierGr> 3.1 would be awesome too
19.32.37 #       <Hansmaulwurf> btw, no updates for 3 days now
19.32.47 #       <Hansmaulwurf> everyone is watching World Cup?
19.33.11 #       <XavierGr> PaulJam: yes but for me those bugs are not bugging me :)
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19.36.33 #       <goffa> heh... with cvs i really don't care if 3.0 gets released..
19.37.27 #       <goffa> i might be thinking wrong, but i do thing the feature freeze is either a) misunderstood or b) designed with the wrong intent
19.38.14 #       <goffa> example... on the x5... increasing functionality (like adding recording, usbotg, or fm radio) should not be frozen
19.39.49 #       <goffa> but .. i really don't have say... i don't program.. so i'm just a sideline observer
19.40.58 #       <goffa> however things like guitar tuner, etc that i would call bonus extras... i can see them being frozen until next release
19.41.36 #       <PaulJam> i think noone prevents others from develping new features for other targets, they can always send a patch on the tracker
19.43.02 #       <goffa> yeah... but if say recording is stable.. i see no reason to exclude it from 3.0 (i know that's a ways off) just using that as an example
19.43.26 #       <goffa> but you are right... if i had knowhow i could program the stuff myself
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19.50.40 #       <whatboutbob> any italians in here I can yell at to make me feel better? :)
19.51.45 #       <sadeness_> why yelling? italians have won! :-D
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19.57.45 #       <petur> another victim of the webclient
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20.21.50 #       <Abidibs> excuse me?
20.21.56 #       <preglow> yes?
20.22.17 #       <Abidibs> for the rockbox does it work on the 4th generation without any problems?
20.22.29 #       <Abidibs> ipods btw
20.23.10 #       <preglow> it should work fine
20.23.19 #       <preglow> grayscale or colour?
20.23.27 #       <Abidibs> grayscale
20.23.27 #       <RoC_MM> 4g grey works fine
20.23.55 #       <Abidibs> how about for a 20g?
20.24.12 #       <RoC_MM> what generation?
20.24.20 #       <Abidibs> 4th
20.24.28 #       <RoC_MM> HD size is irrrelevant
20.24.30 #       <sharpe> good morning.
20.24.43 #       <RoC_MM> you could put an 80 in there if it fit
20.24.52 #       <freqmod> Sharpe: good evning (20.00)
20.25.17 #       * petur still waits for the 80GB disks to be actually available
20.26.02 #       <sharpe> eh, it's two in the afternoon for me.
20.26.22 #       <preglow> 20:24 !
20.26.31 #       <freqmod> East coast america?
20.26.35 #       <Abidibs> its only 20gb, grayscale, 4th gen,but i read that it has a sligh chance of messing up the ipod,is this true?
20.26.37 #       <sharpe> aye.
20.26.44 #       <RoC_MM> no
20.26.56 #       <preglow> Abidibs: there's always a change, but has not happened yet
20.27.04 #       <preglow> Abidibs: also, your ipod can't be permanently damaged
20.27.06 #       <RoC_MM> patching the "bootloader/firmware" is reversable, and always undoable with ipod restore utility
20.27.46 #       <Abidibs> ok
20.27.58 #       <Abidibs> so i get ipod restore utility and i'm safe?
20.28.02 #       <Abidibs> lol
20.28.13 #       <RoC_MM> no
20.28.29 #       <RoC_MM> don't worry, if you follow the instructions it's really not possible to mess it up
20.28.53 #       <Abidibs> and its uninstallable?
20.28.57 #       <RoC_MM> correct.
20.28.59 #       <sharpe> remember what i always say, it's not really possible to brick your ipod, short of having a brick...
20.29.03 #       <RoC_MM> you will not have problems installing it.
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20.29.52 #       <Abidibs> kk tgy
20.29.54 #       <Abidibs> ty*
20.30.12 #       <Abidibs> bye bye
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20.30.42 #       <RoC_MM> bye
20.31.48 #       <amiconn> petur: I have an 80GB disk in my Recorder :-P
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20.32.51 #       <petur> sure, 2.5"
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22.15.47 #       <Rincewind_12> hello
22.17.26 #       <petur> shhht... don't wake the bots
22.18.37 #       * petur wonders if anybody from Glasgow is in this channel
22.18.45 #       <Rincewind_12> I have a programming question: What are the returns of functions (for instance menu_run() or playlist_viewer() etc.) used for in gwps and tree? Some functions return true, some return false, and I don't get where this is used (with the exception of SYS_CONNECTED, I could figure that out)
22.19.19 #       <Rincewind_12> make that SYS_USB_CONNECTED
22.22.33 #       <Rincewind_12> anyone got an answer for me?
22.22.51 #       <Mikachu> i believe they indicate whether or not to close the menu
22.22.54 #       <Mikachu> but i'm not sure
22.23.05 #       <goffa> so... have they made the wma patch available?
22.23.27 #       <linuxstb> "they" ?
22.23.38 #       <goffa> or is marsdaddy or whoever keeping it a secret?
22.23.59 #       <linuxstb> I haven't seen a patch, no.
22.24.23 #       <Rincewind_12> I'm wondering because I implemented my own function to be used on button press in gwps.c and tree.c and I don't know when it should return true or false (and more important: what happens with this information)
22.27.59 #       <midkay_> any wiki admins around?
22.29.15 #       <Rincewind_12> hm, is my question too hard, too general, or are you just lazy to answer?
22.29.42 #       <Mikachu> i don't know offhand
22.29.57 #       <midkay_> Rincewind_12, did you check the code and try to figure it out?
22.29.58 #       <petur> sorry, I don't have time to check the code for you, I don't know it offhand too. rtfs please
22.30.01 #       <preglow> linuxstb: do all mp4 files use seek tables?
22.30.07 #       <linuxstb> Rincewind_12: I'm guessing no-one who knows the answer is around...
22.30.18 #       <midkay_> see where it returns true or false and look around for comments that say "return false if this happens" or "return true if the user does this", and try to infer from the code what's going on..
22.31.38 #       <linuxstb> preglow: All the files I've seen do.  But I don't know for sure if it's required by the spec.
22.32.03 #       <linuxstb> It's more than a seek table - every frame is indexed with it's offset in bytes and length in samples.
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22.32.16 #       <linuxstb> (but in a compressed way).
22.32.18 #       <preglow> linuxstb: damn, sounds like it might eat up quite a bit of space
22.32.51 #       <preglow> linuxstb: and to think you were the one to tell me it's "its", not "it's" :>
22.32.53 #       <Rincewind_12> of course I read the code, but couldn't figure it out, sometimes true means usb was connected, sometimes it seems to be generally set to false. So my real question is: what happens when in the main loop in gwps.c "result=true;" and what happens if it is not set
22.33.14 #       <Mikachu> he used "it's" correctly afaics
22.33.15 #       <linuxstb> The length is just run-length encoded.  i.e. N1 frames of length X1, N2 frames of length X2 etc (and it's was an abbreviation of it is...)
22.33.33 #       <preglow> roit
22.33.34 #       <linuxstb> its has no apostrophe when used like "his" or "hers"
22.33.37 #       <Mikachu> i may have missed the joke though
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22.33.49 #       <Rincewind_12> I meant "return=true", not result
22.34.01 #       <preglow> Mikachu: there are two uses of it
22.34.03 #       <linuxstb> (and I was wrong with my first it's...)
22.34.11 #       * linuxstb bows head
22.34.12 #       <preglow> sounds like it beats ogg straight out, then
22.34.17 #       <preglow> i just browsed the spec
22.34.33 #       <Mikachu> is ogg silly?
22.34.47 #       <preglow> you pretty much need to walk the entire stream
22.34.48 #       * linuxstb avoids the question
22.34.56 #       <Mikachu> i ogmmerge'd some .avis to .ogm earlier today to not lose the subtitle files, they got smaller always
22.35.10 #       <linuxstb> FLAC's similarly bad - but at least it's possible to write a good seektable.
22.35.34 #       <preglow> i'm a bit surprised there are no seek table support at all
22.35.41 #       <preglow> afaik, it's not even an optional part
22.35.48 #       <preglow> are/is/lol
22.36.09 #       <Mikachu> didn't they think about that when designing it or were they focusing on vorbis? :)
22.36.37 #       <Mikachu> and why does flac have its own muxing format?
22.36.54 #       <Mikachu> i somehow got the idea it's also from xiph, but maybe not
22.37.22 #       <preglow> it doesn't do any muxing
22.37.32 #       <preglow> it just has better support for containerless operation than other formats
22.37.45 #       <linuxstb> muxing implies multiple streams in same file.  FLAC is always just a single stream.
22.37.47 #       <preglow> to mux it you need to stuff it in a container, flac in ogg is seen prancing about occasionally
22.37.56 #       <Mikachu> hm okay, so it's sort of like mp3
22.38.01 #       <preglow> yes
22.38.09 #       <linuxstb> Yes, but with a standardised header.
22.38.33 #       <linuxstb> i.e. metadata followed by audio data.
22.39.10 #       <linuxstb> Mikachu: AFAIK, FLAC was developed independently of Xiph, and then they adopted it.
22.39.20 #       <preglow> deed
22.39.33 #       <Mikachu> ah
22.39.40 #       <Mikachu> there are so many codecs, it's hard to keep up
22.40.13 #       <linuxstb> And more coming - speex, sid, mod, wma...
22.40.35 #       * preglow wants proper aac
22.40.41 #       <preglow> let's hope this maxim fellow does a good job
22.40.52 #       <Mikachu> not just in rockbox
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22.41.05 #       <Mikachu> but it's almost worse with video codecs
22.41.34 #       <preglow> i've got a nice grasp of audio codecs
22.41.42 #       <preglow> not too good at video codecs
22.41.53 #       <preglow> mostly because i don't care
22.42.22 #       <preglow> Mikachu: does audacious crash when loading skins with you?
22.42.36 #       <Mikachu> no
22.42.44 #       <preglow> the default one looks like a bag of shit, and i'd really love to change it
22.42.46 #       <Mikachu> check if the backtrace goes to a plugin and disable it
22.42.47 #       <preglow> but it crashes when i do
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22.42.53 #       <Mikachu> if it does
22.43.02 #       <preglow> it's more probably a 64 bit deal
22.43.11 #       <Mikachu> ah, those are fun
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22.43.56 #       <preglow> indeed
22.44.04 #       <Mikachu> had some in openbox
22.44.52 #       <Mikachu> amusingly because a fixed width type was used instead of "long", apparently xlib expects native types even though the protocol needs fixed width
22.45.13 #       <preglow> hahaha
22.46.05 #       <Mikachu> it suddenly became warmer in here, and it's 22:46
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22.47.11 #       <Mikachu> why is the perfect spring weather only 1 week per year?
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22.49.46 #       <midkay_> perfect?!
22.49.54 #       * midkay_ is sweating and not liking it
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22.52.32 #       * linuxstb is very happy with London's 17╟C
22.53.06 #       <midkay> aaaaaaa. :(
22.53.18 #       * midkay would *love* that
22.54.19 #       <Mikachu> midkay: this is after the perfect season, it's too warm now
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22.54.47 #       <midkay> Mikachu, ah..
22.54.56 #       <Mikachu> it's 18╟ outside, but it's the middle of the night
22.55.15 #       <Mikachu> in the day it is usually around 26
22.55.54 #       <midkay> 81f -> 27c here at the moment..
22.56.23 #       <Mikachu> but it's been cloudy the last couple of days
22.56.26 #       <midkay> expect that to rise a few degrees over the next couple hours
22.56.43 #       <Mikachu> so it's only been 22 or so
22.56.48 #       <Mikachu> but last week the sun was shining
22.57.01 #       <midkay> i'd much rather it be winter.
22.57.18 #       <Mikachu> i still prefer summer over winter, at least in sweden
22.57.27 #       * midkay hates heat.
22.57.33 #       <linuxstb> Rain is guaranteed in London for the next few weeks - Wimbledon has started.
22.57.44 #       <midkay> lucky..
22.57.45 #       <Mikachu> doesn't it always rain in england?
22.58.42 #       <linuxstb> :)
22.59.00 #       <Mikachu> that is what i learned from donald duck pockets
22.59.03 #       <midkay> whoa..
22.59.16 #       <midkay> it was 81f a few minutes ago, now google says 84..
22.59.45 #       <midkay> a high of 90.. please, no.. :)
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23.02.59 #       <bagawk> midkay: heh   already 100deg F here
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23.04.13 #       <bagawk> http://www.wunderground.com/US/OR/Corvallis.html
23.04.20 #       <midkay> nice..
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23.44.39 #       <preglow> bluebrother: word
23.44.57 #       <preglow> someone do disable anonymous reports, please
23.45.02 #       <bluebrother> ?
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23.45.56 #       <webguest93> hi
23.46.09 #       <Mikachu> there is a direct link to "feature requests" on the main page
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23.46.51 #       <webguest93> why are there daily builds for ipods and why can't we download rockbox2.5?
23.47.11 #       <bluebrother> webguest93, you can download rb 2.5 on the download page.
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23.47.22 #       <webguest93> for ipods?
23.47.26 #       <bluebrother> but 2.5 is only for archos targets.
23.47.26 #       <webguest93> (ipo 5g)
23.47.30 #       <bluebrother> no.
23.47.30 #       <webguest93> ipod*
23.47.39 #       <Bagder> there never was any 2.5 for ipods
23.47.40 #       <webguest93> ok
23.47.52 #       <bluebrother> 3.0 is the upcoming release for iriver and archos.
23.48.03 #       <webguest93> so why do we have to download a new rockbox every day?
23.48.05 #       <bluebrother> It won't even be a release for ipod.
23.48.10 #       <Mikachu> you don't HAVE TO
23.48.14 #       <Bagder> webguest93: you don't need to
23.48.15 #       <webguest93> ok
23.48.24 #       <bluebrother> you don't have to update every day. But you can do so.
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23.48.35 #       <Bagder> its a service from us
23.48.37 #       <Bagder> enjoy
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23.49.15 #       <linuxstb> preglow, bluebrother: I agree, I can't think of a good reason to allow anonymous tracker tasks.
23.49.23 #       <Bagder> that was the 7th(!) request for audible support
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23.49.40 #       <webguest93> yea...because sometimes there is no canges for it anyway
23.49.45 #       <bluebrother> oh, the 7th? I just searched shortly for it, but I haven't counted
23.50.00 #       * Bagder just counted ;-)
23.50.04 #       <webguest93> will there ever be any 2.5 or 3.0 for ipod?
23.50.07 #       <bluebrother> webguest93, the last days have been pretty quiet.
23.50.11 #       <bluebrother> no, never.
23.50.20 #       <Mikachu> webguest93: 3.1 will be for ipods
23.50.21 #       <webguest93> ok
23.50.25 #       <bluebrother> for ipod, the first release that is planned is 3.1
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23.51.09 #       <webguest93> sweet
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23.51.20 #       <webguest93> any dates for that yet?
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23.52.02 #       <Bagder> we can't keep dates anyway
23.52.11 #       <bluebrother> see the wiki. 3.1 is scheduled for the end of the year.
23.52.19 #       <bluebrother> but I guess this will change :)
23.52.21 #       <Bagder> if we're lucky
23.52.24 #       <Mikachu> maybe 3.0 will be released by then
23.52.48 #       <bluebrother> maybe. The freeze is getting pretty long :(
23.54.48 #       <preglow> there's no way we'll make that
23.54.51 #       <preglow> no way in hell
23.55.07 #       <preglow> for 3.1, that is
23.55.25 #       <webguest93> is 3.1 going to be sweet?
23.55.28 #       <preglow> preliminary date should be stricken from the wiki as soon as possible, and replaced with "we don't do dates anymore"
23.55.43 #       <Bagder> webguest93: if many devs do sweet things
23.55.58 #       <webguest93> sweet
23.56.09 #       <Mikachu> there are indications of some sweetness in the tracker
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23.56.33 #       <that_asian_guy> lol
23.56.55 #       <bluebrother> how good I'm a european guy :D
23.57.20 #       <that_asian_guy> why oh no?
23.57.27 #       <Mikachu> just kidding
23.57.48 #       <Mikachu> i'm a bit random at this time of night
23.58.02 #       <that_asian_guy> its like 3 over here
23.58.15 #       <Mikachu> it will be 0 here in a minute
23.58.21 #       <that_asian_guy> you in like england or what?
23.58.48 #       <Mikachu> close
23.58.53 #       <Mikachu> sweden
23.58.57 #       <that_asian_guy> scotland?