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00.05.02 #       <sharpe> it's funny, i've to print something, and then fax it.
00.05.03 #       <LinusN> panthar: i am working on the wiki, and it might go up and down like a yoyo until i'm done
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00.14.23 #       <panthar> Ah, so I wasn't dreaming :)
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00.20.34 #       <midgey34> who is Antoine for CVS?
00.21.23 #       <midgey34> dionoea?
00.21.36 #       <dionoea> ?
00.21.57 #       <dionoea> and yes, that's me
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00.22.32 #       <midgey34> your commit just reminded me of some bugs I saw in solataire
00.22.47 #       <sharpe> i wonder why...
00.22.50 #       <dionoea> me too :)
00.22.53 #       <midgey34> you just fixed one of them
00.23.01 #       <midgey34> :)
00.23.24 #       <dionoea> the code is ... horrible ... unreadable ... far too complex compared to what it should be
00.23.31 #       <midgey34> one that happens is when you win on a color target (h320 for me)
00.23.39 #       <sharpe> dionoea: have fun rewriting it. :)
00.23.46 #       <dionoea> i'll tidy it up after 3.0 is released
00.24.01 #       <midgey34> the menu is in green instead of rockbox blue
00.24.13 #       <dionoea> midgey34: oh, that would be hard to test .... since wining is kind of rare :)
00.24.32 #       <midgey34> I know what you mean, I've done it like 6 times
00.24.43 #       <dionoea> i'll fix it tomorrow
00.24.43 #       <midgey34> out of the coutnless times I've played
00.24.49 #       <dionoea> i was about to get some sleep
00.24.51 #       <LinusN> time to sleep
00.24.54 #       <LinusN> nite all
00.24.56 #       <dionoea> did you have other bugs ?
00.25.00 #       <dionoea> nite LinusN
00.25.01 #       <midgey34> one more
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00.25.20 #       <midgey34> sometimes, when you draw three cards, only the center card appears
00.25.26 #       <midgey34> its only happened to me twice
00.25.34 #       <dionoea> that's weird
00.25.40 #       <dionoea> i'll rewrite the plugin :)
00.25.47 #       <midgey34> I think it had something to do with clearing out all three cards but I don't remember
00.26.06 #       <midgey34> regardless, its a great way to pass the time as is
00.26.09 #       <PaulJam> please make a vegas mode :)
00.26.17 #       <midgey34> but I need to get going too
00.26.21 #       <midgey34> farewell
00.26.25 #       <dionoea> i wrote the initial code 2 years ago ... and it seems that my C code improved a bit since :)
00.26.44 #       <dionoea> (at least i hope it did)
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01.09.44 #       <funky> hi people
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01.10.24 #       <XavierGr> hi funky
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02.06.33 #       <webguest32> hello every0ne
02.06.38 #       <webguest32> i have a quick question
02.06.49 #       <webguest32> is their a way to view the wps gallery?
02.06.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes?
02.06.56 #       <webguest32> since the wiki is down
02.07.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not at the moment, no.
02.07.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The files are there at the temporary mirror
02.07.33 #       <webguest32> which where could i locate that
02.07.38 #       <webguest32> and are there screen shots
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02.07.56 #       <webguest32> i see the temp mirror
02.08.02 #       <webguest32> thanks for you help
02.08.05 #       <webguest32> have a nice day
02.08.11 #       <webguest32> rockbox rocks
02.08.14 #       <webguest32> !111
02.08.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
02.08.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So they say.
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02.11.50 #       <pixelma> Paul_The_Nerd: there's also http://www.rockbox-themes.org/
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02.12.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah yes. Not strictly *the* WPS gallery, but has quite a lot of 'em.
02.15.33 #       <joshua_> Hm, so I just installed RockBox on my iPod... Is there a way to charge it without rebooting into disk mode? (i.e., from the power supply?)
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02.16.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hold menu while you plug in
02.17.26 #       <joshua_> Aha. How hackable is the source? I'd like to have it do the opposite...
02.18.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, it's open source and in C, so um... how hackable kinda depends on how confident you are with C.
02.18.56 #       <joshua_> I mean, do I have to jump through special hoops to build it? Or will a standard ARM environment happily build it?
02.19.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, we strongly recommend arm-elf-gcc 4.0 or later, I believe.
02.20.16 #       <joshua_> Oooh.
02.20.24 #       * joshua_ tar xzvf /nfs/dashnine/var/www/doom-wads.tar.gz
02.23.39 #       <joshua_> Hmm, Linux seems to suffer from some brain damage rendering it unable to copy a file containing an n-tilde to the device.
02.24.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Heh
02.25.29 #       <Mikachu> joshua_: man mount
02.26.41 #       <joshua_> Mikachu, mount tells me that it's mounted with iocharset=utf8
02.27.06 #       <Mikachu> you also want the utf8 option
02.27.47 #       <joshua_> I wonder why that's not a default in ubuntu
02.37.19 #       <jhMikeS> Is it currently not possible to submit patches? Where are the links to do it?
02.38.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The word "Patches" at the front page, on the left?
02.39.38 #       <jhMikeS> I'm there at flyspray. I'm also trying to login with my id but nothing showing up. I'm probably just being dumb or something. ^_^
02.40.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Is it the ID you registered for flyspray, or are you trying to use a wiki or forum ID?
02.40.10 #       <joshua_> Hmm, I see a usb.c .
02.40.19 #       <joshua_> I assume that the drivers for the actual UDC aren't in place yet?
02.40.49 #       <jhMikeS> Hmmm...ok I guess I need to get yet another id. Thanks.
02.45.44 #       <earHertz> linuxstb: here?
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02.55.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> earHertz: Out of curiosity, why didn't you just rename the .c to .txt for attaching (though .c should be allowed now). Though usually the tracker is the best place for keeping any intermediate files, rather than the forums, even if they're something that will likely never get included, just as a base point for discussing an idea or testing it.
02.59.51 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: Basically because I've renamed files before, and was hoping to slyly prompt you to change teh forum settings. ;)
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03.01.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I enabled .c and .h, but not .patch or .diff. Philosophically I think it's best that almost all code be kept on the tracker, but for something that's *definitely* not intended for inclusion, just as a demonstration/test for discussion, well, I'm not so sure.
03.06.03 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: I agree that "reeal" code shiould be on teh patcher. But I'd like to be avle to psot code for code revies/questions on teh forum
03.06.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, as I said, you *should* be able to now. Why not go test, and let me know if it worked. ;)
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03.17.17 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: sorry, busy
03.17.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 'sokay
03.17.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's not like the forums are going anywhere.
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03.19.54 #       <joshua_> Hmm... I tried to build it, and got: /usr/local/arm/3.4.1/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.1/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: section .got [00000000 -> 00000003] overlaps section .text [00000000 -> 0004dd87]
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03.36.44 #       <earHertz> How can I get -S (assembly source) output from rockbox?
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03.43.57 #       <Febs> Paul_The_Nerd:  this made my day:  http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5242.0;topicseen
03.44.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It was physically painful the first time I read that first post.
03.45.26 #       <Febs> I know.  I clicked on the link thinking, "Hmmm, I wonder what we left out of the manual?"
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03.46.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The world may never know.
03.46.16 #       <baxmaniac> Hi, for some reason I can't access the wiki.
03.46.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's down.
03.46.35 #       <baxmaniac> oh...
03.46.45 #       <baxmaniac> any idea when it should be back up?
03.46.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's being worked on.
03.47.07 #       <baxmaniac> ok cool
03.47.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But I don't know if there's a prediction yet.
03.47.11 #       <baxmaniac> thanks
03.47.16 #       <baxmaniac> alrighty
03.47.20 #       <Febs> Paul_The_Nerd:  can we disable graphic signatures in the forums?  They serve no useful purpose.
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03.48.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Febs: Checking, let you know in a second.
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03.54.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Febs: I don't see how to do that. In fact, I can't seem to find anything relating to signatures.
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03.54.46 #       <Febs> Oh well.  Thanks for trying.
03.55.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Febs: I think signatures are simply treated by the same rules as posts (other than the capped length), so I'd have to remove images in posts entirely.
03.56.03 #       <Febs> OK, we definitely don't want to do that.
03.56.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah
03.57.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm finding a few limitations in this forum software I can't seem to figure out a way around. For example, you can't say "Membergroup X has the ability to change peoples' membergroup to Y from normal members" you can only, apparently, give them full control of changing membergroups.
03.58.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm still trying to learn how to bend this forum to my will.
03.58.29 #       <Febs> :)
04.00.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The problem is that if I allow a membergroup to assing membergroups, they can also edit them, arbitrarily creating more, etc. And while I trust the people I assign as experts, all it takes is one mistake, or one shared password, for something to go horribly wrong.
04.02.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What I wanted was to create two "Expert" groups, identical as far as forumgoers can see, but one of them has some moderation abilities, and the ability to add new experts if/when necessary. A sort of Sr. Expert group.
04.02.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Then again, if I make them a Sr. Expert, I clearly trust them a good bit, so it ought to be safe to leave them with that power.
04.02.45 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
04.02.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's still an in-concept idea.
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04.03.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But at 500 new members a month, our forums are exploding from what they were.
04.05.24 #       <sharpe> instead of senior, you could do seer.
04.05.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, on the forums they'll just be labelled as "Expert" like the others.
04.06.01 #       <sharpe> true
04.07.15 #       <sharpe> twas just a suggestion for their alternate name.
04.08.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah, I found a mod for "Group moderators" that allows you to set people as moderators of a membergroup. Which is basically what I want.
04.08.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Unfortunately, installing mods is not a power I have.
04.09.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And I'm not sure if this qualifies as necessary enough to bother the appropriate person about it.
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04.17.15 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: what I'd like is a notation that indicated whether someone was a dev, an untrusted dev (like me) or a user
04.19.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> earHertz: Right now there is a developer notation, for those with commit access.
04.19.44 #       <earHertz> yeah, I want for those without, like me
04.19.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
04.20.03 #       <earHertz> So I know if I have to redplain things to them or not
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04.20.07 #       <earHertz> explain
04.20.14 #       <sharpe> i'd still stay under the expert tag... hooray :)
04.20.26 #       <earHertz> for a while I assumed most forum users were devs
04.21.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> We'd need a simple one-word name for patch authors without commit access then, so we could have a logo similar to current ones.
04.21.15 #       <sharpe> Contributor ?
04.21.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Contributor is difficult.
04.21.28 #       * earHertz nods at sharpe
04.21.32 #       <sharpe> length?
04.21.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> More, breadth of the term
04.21.41 #       <sharpe> ah.
04.21.42 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: Coder?
04.21.48 #       <sharpe> Patcher?
04.21.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> People who have written one note on one wiki page are technically a contributor.
04.21.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hacker.
04.22.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Coder
04.22.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> One of those.
04.22.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think Patcher implies the power to apply patches.
04.22.17 #       <JdGordon> Code Hacker...
04.22.18 #       <sharpe> CodeHacker.
04.22.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Maybe Submitter?
04.22.33 #       <midkay> what what what.
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04.22.57 #       <midkay> coder sounds good..
04.23.06 #       <S0ap> "Bug Creator"
04.23.09 #       <midkay> i could whip one up in the current style of developer/expert.
04.23.18 #       <sharpe> some people may take the 'hacker' title in the wrong context.
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04.23.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That is true.
04.23.27 #       <midkay> agreed..
04.23.32 #       <midkay> coder sounds good to me.
04.23.38 #       <midkay> best of the suggestions at least..
04.23.40 #       <earHertz> oh dear, you guys are young
04.24.01 #       <midkay> ..
04.24.03 #       <sharpe> Hacker is also a broad term...
04.24.18 #       <midkay> coder simply fits.
04.24.27 #       <midkay> hacker can fit in one way, but it is quite broad.
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04.24.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> earHertz: Because we recognize that "Hacker" has a lot of risk when viewed by the external community, plus also if it were a bestowed badge it should be reserved for the ones who come up with the REALLY clever solutions?
04.24.54 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: yeah
04.25.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Before we finalize this group, we should come up with a few rules for what qualifies for entry.
04.25.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Having at least one patch committed?
04.25.28 #       <sharpe> most likely.
04.25.45 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: for MY needs, I only care if someone has spent some time reading teh code
04.26.24 #       <sharpe> what about Composer for the name? :)
04.26.27 #       <JdGordon> yay! i wont be a junior member anymore :D
04.26.39 #       <midkay> JdGordon qualifies for coder most certainly :)
04.27.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think "Coder", with a requirement that they either have had one patch committed, as a general rule (flexible though)
04.27.46 #       <midkay> let me upload a gif..
04.27.50 #       <joshua_> not being a developer, my opinion probably doesn't count for much, but were I a rockbox developer, I'd prefer "rockbox hacker"
04.28.12 #       <joshua_> there's no confusion there as to "omg hax" with the rockbox qualifier
04.28.15 #       <baxmaniac> Erm, I just installed Rockbox and I use ipodlinux as well with IPL loader 2. but, now I when I select the apple firmware i get: File: (hd0,0/),osos    Size: 50972    Type: Unknown!
04.28.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> joshua_: Yeah, well the core devs are already simply "Rockbox Developer"
04.28.33 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: to be fair, we should probbaly have a special name for peopel who make wpses too
04.28.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> baxmaniac: Did you uninstall linux before installing Rockbox, or just try to install over?
04.28.52 #       <sharpe> earHertz: Themeist ?
04.28.56 #       <baxmaniac> installed it over
04.28.57 #       <joshua_> Paul_The_Nerd, aha, I didn't know that
04.28.57 #       <zeke> Hi Guys:  hate to interrupt, but here goes.....  Mmmm on the rockbox forum suggested I come here to see if I can get some help with a boot hang problem:  Here's the link:  http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5020.15   If anyone has the time to check it out I would really appreciate it.  Zeke
04.29.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> baxmaniac: How did you install it?
04.29.30 #       <sharpe> ooh. i can't help with the h140 problem.
04.29.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> joshua_: Yup, in the forums there are "Rockbox Developer" and "Rockbox Expert" groups (expert being manual writers, and people who have shown me they can give good support.)
04.29.43 #       <baxmaniac> using the color ipod manual pdf on the main page
04.29.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> baxmaniac: So, you used ipodpatcher and ipod_fw?
04.30.02 #       <baxmaniac> yes
04.30.07 #       <joshua_> so I think that "hacker" goes well with it, and "developer" goes to "core developer"
04.30.07 #       <earHertz> sharpe: yeah,
04.30.16 #       <joshua_> rockbox + those, of course
04.30.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> baxmaniac: Okay, did you keep the original of bootpartition.bin?
04.30.27 #       <baxmaniac> yes
04.30.34 #       <joshua_> up to you guys, of course.
04.30.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> baxmaniac: Okay, leave the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox on your iPod, plug it in, and do "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin" to write that file back.
04.31.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> baxmaniac: Loader2 SHOULD detect rockbox.ipod without you needing to have patched the bootpartition again.
04.31.05 #       <midkay> http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9948/rockboxcoder8ld.gif
04.31.07 #       <baxmaniac> alright thanks
04.31.19 #       <josh_> folks: on the iPod, does Rockbox run from IRAM at all?
04.31.22 #       <sharpe> midkay: good to see you still have that base image around. :)
04.31.34 #       <sharpe> because, we can't find it *anywhere*
04.31.39 #       <midkay> it's not a base image, it's a photoshop document..
04.31.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> baxmaniac: If that doesn't work, let us know
04.31.48 #       <midkay> who can't find it anywhere?
04.31.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> josh_: It uses some of it.
04.31.55 #       <sharpe> sarcasm.
04.32.05 #       <joshua_> that's interesting, there appear to be multiple me ;)
04.32.12 #       <midkay> oh, gosh, that's hilarity.
04.32.20 #       <earHertz> on the ipod, does our code go into SRAM or IRAM?
04.32.25 #       <josh_> Paul_The_Nerd: is certain stuff linked in there specially, or what?
04.32.27 #       <josh_> earHertz: I just asked :-)
04.32.27 #       <sharpe> yes, hence, the phrase "hilarity ensues" fits well.
04.32.30 #       <earHertz> er
04.32.31 #       <josh_> and it's SDRAM
04.32.34 #       <josh_> the IRAM is SRAM
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04.32.47 #       <earHertz> yeah, hardware is not my forte
04.32.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> josh_: You need to manually assign it to IRAM I believe.
04.32.56 #       <josh_> ah
04.32.59 #       <josh_> earHertz: are you doing that?
04.33.14 #       <earHertz> No
04.33.18 #       <josh_> figured
04.33.23 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: how do you do that?
04.33.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay, so, suggestions for a name for the Artists?
04.33.33 #       <midkay> artists?
04.33.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> earHertz: No bloody clue, honestly.
04.33.34 #       <S0ap> "Fingerpainter"
04.33.34 #       <sharpe> Artist sounds fine.
04.33.46 #       <josh_> earHertz: IRAM is blazing fast and uncached, so putting stuff there tends to make it faster - frees up the cache for better purposes
04.33.58 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wishes he had FTP access to the forums.
04.34.16 #       <earHertz> frees up the cache for what, data?
04.34.17 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, "artists"?
04.34.29 #       <josh_> earHertz: yep
04.34.44 #       <josh_> the ARM7TDMI doesn't have separate icache and dcache
04.34.45 #       <baxmaniac> alright it works, one last question, can I access the playlists/songs from itunes in rockbox?
04.34.47 #       <josh_> just one unified cache
04.34.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Artists was my suggestion, so I like it. :)
04.34.57 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: what do we put in IRAM?
04.35.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> baxmaniac: Songs yes, playlists no.
04.35.01 #       <josh_> which means loading a TON of data at once is a bad idea, since it tends to force instructions out
04.35.04 #       <midkay> who gets it? what does it mean?
04.35.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> earHertz: It varies from codec to codec.
04.35.06 #       <sharpe> i agreed that it was good... :\
04.35.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: WPS Designers, primarily. Themers and etc.
04.35.18 #       <JdGordon> midkay: that "coder" part of the pic is almost unreadable for me.. can u change the colour ?
04.35.25 #       <josh_> e.g. I once actually got a speed increase by turning a 12x-unrolled loop into an 8x-unrolled one.
04.35.26 #       <baxmaniac> alright thank you Paul_The_Nerd
04.35.28 #       <midkay> JdGordon, i can make it a bit darker, sure..
04.35.33 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: what about the lcd functions?
04.35.36 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, ah..
04.35.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I'm not sure it's strictly necessary, but I'm thinking about it.
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04.35.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: earHertz suggested it.
04.35.57 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, i dunno how many themers frequent the forums, but it might be cool if there were several..
04.36.06 #       <midkay> if we've got like one user who's submitted one theme, though ....
04.36.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> earHertz: I really don't know. I'm not strong in a lot of parts of the code yet. In fact, I'm not even wholly sure who to ask about this one.
04.36.20 #       <earHertz> josh_: actually, I did have some questions about your decisoons in some of the asembly...
04.36.43 #       <josh_> earHertz: ask away
04.36.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: If it only went to people whose themes got included in CVS, it might actually encourage people to create valid themes.
04.36.50 #       <midkay> JdGordon, http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6681/rockboxcoder27eb.gif
04.36.55 #       <josh_> earHertz: /msg me about it if you want, I don't know if they want us talking about it here
04.36.59 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, perhaps, sure..
04.37.12 #       <JdGordon> thats a bit better :)
04.37.24 #       <midkay> as in.. could be even better? :)
04.37.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: At the very least, it's a way of saying "Thanks" to the few people who have done it. :)
04.37.39 #       <earHertz> josh_: from what I've read on ARM assembly (not ARMYTDMI specific), a branch costs about three cycles because it has to reload teh cache?
04.38.00 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, sure, i'm all for it - i'm just saying (wondering aloud, more like) how many we've actually got.
04.38.26 #       <midkay> JdGordon, fix your monitor - that one's certainly darker than the two images we've already got for dev and expert. :)
04.38.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Well, in terms of committed WPSes, not many.
04.38.55 #       <JdGordon> could be :D
04.38.58 #       <midkay> maybe a short page could explain rankings or something.. *shrugs* if only one or two people have it, most people won't really even notice it i bet, that's all.
04.39.01 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wonders if he could convince Jeff to give him the ability to access the files for our forum.
04.39.15 #       <sharpe> Probably somewhat easily...
04.39.18 #       <josh_> earHertz: it's officially listed as 1N+2S
04.39.23 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, if you need support, let me know :)
04.39.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sharpe: Last time he had me email him the files. :)
04.39.34 #       <josh_> and yes, that's the cost
04.39.35 #       <sharpe> maybe not then...
04.39.39 #       <josh_> ld is 1I+1S+1N
04.39.47 #       <josh_> st is 2N
04.39.58 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
04.40.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Either way.
04.40.05 #       <sharpe> tis worth a try.
04.40.14 #       <josh_> ldm is 1I+1S+nN, stm is (n-1)N+1S I think.
04.40.23 #       <josh_> N-cycles are about twice as long as I- and S-cycles
04.40.27 #       <josh_> I- and S- are about the same length
04.40.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: When/if I introduce the two additional membergroups I'll post in the main forum explaining each of the groups and exactly what they mean, as well as conditions for entry into them.
04.40.45 #       <midkay> you should ask him..
04.40.55 #       <midkay> that's very good.
04.41.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And I will ask him, because access to the forum's files will also allow me to install the security update it keeps reminding me about, as well as the mod that lets me set moderators of membergroups.
04.41.43 #       <sharpe> why not the remaining group conditions and such, for those that wonder?
04.41.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The remaining group conditions?
04.42.05 #       <sharpe> the already existing ones
04.42.06 #       <midkay> how about.. http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5484/rockboxartist8jv.gif
04.42.34 #       <sharpe> midkay: what about... have something art-related on it... such as a pencil... :)
04.42.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
04.42.45 #       <midkay> haha.
04.42.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sharpe: The Jr Member, Sr Member, Hero Member stuff?
04.42.48 #       <midkay> how about hell no.
04.42.50 #       <midkay> :)
04.42.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think keeping it just text is good.
04.42.58 #       <midkay> no, developer and expert..
04.43.03 #       <sharpe> Paul_The_Nerd: and the Expert and developer
04.43.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think I'd prefer if the artists were single-color like the rest though
04.43.14 #       <midkay> it's cute!!!
04.43.14 #       <midkay> :)
04.43.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sharpe: Oh, I was including the Expert and Developer in "each of the groups" above.
04.43.26 #       <sharpe> oh. right on then.
04.43.28 #       <midkay> it's fruity. rainbowy.
04.43.29 #       <JdGordon> Paul_The_Nerd: moderator of membergorups? so they can add/remove members form the gorup?
04.43.34 #       <midkay> it's queer and delicious.
04.43.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> JdGordon: Specifically for Experts. I want to give an expert or two the ability to invite new experts as necessary, for example.
04.44.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I'd just go with the color you used for the S
04.44.56 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, ah. puke-crap brown. good choice.
04.44.56 #       <midkay> :)
04.45.03 #       <JdGordon> k
04.45.36 #       <midkay> i'm looking at this violet-magenta and liking it.. hold on.
04.45.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: The I was brown, the S was purpleish
04.46.03 #       <midkay> ah.. then we're on the same page. :)
04.46.34 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8378/rockboxartist25fm.gif
04.46.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I like the badges so that people have some idea where their information is coming from. A general purpose coder definitely helps with that, and I think an Artist one will just y'know, be nice.
04.47.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I think a *wee* bit more blue in that color would be nice in my book
04.47.43 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, i really like the badges concept too for the same reason - i hope you didn't think i felt otherwise? :)
04.47.56 #       <sharpe> midkay: because you get to make them?
04.47.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No, I just felt the need to restate it.
04.49.05 #       <midkay> sharpe: you're just so funny. my sides.. they ache!
04.49.24 #       <sharpe> midkay: yes, that's what i'm here for... comical relief...
04.49.36 #       <midkay> you mean comic relief?
04.49.37 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4812/rockboxartist4so.gif
04.49.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's the rainbow one again
04.49.57 #       <midkay> what.
04.50.02 #       <midkay> gaaah.
04.50.04 #       <sharpe> indeed.
04.50.17 #       <midkay> here. http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/5463/rockboxartist30vg.gif
04.50.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That looks better to me.
04.51.10 #       <midkay> good.
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05.05.24 #       <midkay> request access!
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05.06.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I did
05.07.36 #       <midkay> yay.
05.08.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Maybe that'll also allow me to allow people to be older than 37 years old
05.09.48 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: the forum has an age limit?
05.09.59 #       <midkay> haha.
05.10.00 #       <midkay> wtf.
05.10.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> earHertz: You can't set a date earlier than... umm... I can't remember right now.
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05.10.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 12/31/1969
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05.16.40 #       <earHertz> crap, I'm oldr than 12/31/69
05.16.51 #       <midkay> haha.
05.16.55 #       <midkay> not like you cared to fill in your age!
05.16.55 #       <sharpe> old man.
05.17.08 #       <sharpe> :)
05.17.40 #       <earHertz> that's why I didn';t care to
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05.17.45 #       <Vaco_Animus> ok two quick questions
05.18.40 #       <midkay> ....?
05.18.51 #       <Vaco_Animus> 1) if i removed all the rockbox files and then installed ipod linux, if i uninstalled ipod linux at a later time could i just put the rockbox files back on and it would go to normal?
05.19.12 #       <Vaco_Animus> 2)does anyone here use ipod wizard?
05.20.20 #       <midkay> ipodwizard's homepage has a popular forum.
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05.20.58 #       <Vaco_Animus> ok
05.21.02 #       <midkay> and that doesn't make any sense, "go back to normal". you don't just "put rockbox files on" or "put ipodlinux files on" and your ipod magically sets itself up to use them..
05.21.12 #       <Vaco_Animus> ok
05.21.24 #       <earHertz> ipod wizard? is that like ipod for the KKK?
05.21.35 #       <Vaco_Animus> well i was asking if i removed them would i have to go through all the steps again
05.21.49 #       <Vaco_Animus> or could i just put them back on
05.21.54 #       <midkay> you'll probably end up installing iPL's bootloader, then you'll either choose to keep it or reinstall ours..
05.22.39 #       <sharpe> midkay: do you still use that one that's customizable? :)
05.22.52 #       <Vaco_Animus> thats what im asking, if i decide i dont like ipl then could i just move the rockbox files back on and it would be ready to go
05.22.55 #       <midkay> sharpe, well, i haven't got around to uninstalling it yet!
05.23.05 #       <sharpe> oh, of course.
05.23.10 #       <sharpe> what was i thinking...
05.23.11 #       <midkay> Vaco_Animus, *depending on what bootloader you choose*.
05.23.18 #       <sharpe> someone would ever actually like my work
05.23.25 #       <Vaco_Animus> 5g
05.23.25 #       <sharpe> silly me.
05.23.30 #       <midkay> "5g"?
05.23.36 #       <Vaco_Animus> ipod 5g
05.23.42 #       <midkay> iPL has a bootloader, we have a bootloade.r
05.23.46 #       <midkay> an ipod 5G is not a bootloader.
05.24.00 #       <midkay> sharpe, nah, course not.. you went with 'wpz' so that really sucked and everybody hated it..
05.24.01 #       <sharpe> we also have a special customizable bootloader
05.24.07 #       <midkay> you broke spinv so nobody cares about it..
05.24.10 #       <sharpe> that only two people have..
05.24.18 #       <midkay> and you gave up on c64emu so nobody likes it.
05.24.47 #       <Vaco_Animus> well if i took of ipl and put back the files from rockbox would i have to go through the install steps for rockbox again
05.25.04 #       <Vaco_Animus> or would it work again if i just placed the files that i have on it now
05.25.09 #       <sharpe> i never broke spinv. it was broken from the beginning. :)
05.25.14 #       <midkay> haha.
05.25.33 #       <midkay> Vaco_Animus, that's not really a valid question, since installing iPL will probably have you putting on their bootloader.
05.25.48 #       <midkay> if you want iPL, go ask them for help, and if you want rockbox back, come back and tell us your situation and/or read the docs.
05.28.18 #       <sharpe> that's right. throwdown midkay.
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05.28.33 #       <Vaco_Animus> IF I REMOVED THERE BOOTLOADER AND THERE FILES WOULD I HAVE TO REINSTALL ROCKBOX
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05.28.51 #       <midkay> "their", stop shouting, and i've already told you, it's not a valid question.
05.29.00 #       <midkay> "coming off as an asshole" indeed.
05.29.13 #       <midkay> alright, you want an answer. "yes".
05.29.21 #       <Vaco_Animus> thank you
05.29.24 #       <midkay> you have to "reinstall" rockbox once you "removed there bootloader".
05.29.31 #       <midkay> that makes complete and total sense.
05.29.39 #       <midkay> and i can answer that with a very simple "yes".
05.30.18 #       <Vaco_Animus> im saying i go onto the drive cut out the rockbox files and paste them back in at a later time
05.30.31 #       <midkay> just reinstall a daily build.
05.30.38 #       <midkay> but that's not all of what rockbox is, some files on the disk.
05.30.53 #       <midkay> just forget it, if you need specific help later, come back or don't. or just don't install iPL.
05.31.14 #       <Vaco_Animus> ah fuck it its not worth all the hastle of explaining this
05.31.25 #       <Vaco_Animus> do you work at radio shack midkay
05.31.35 #       <midkay> yeah, how'd you know.
05.31.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well if you just used more used the appropriate nouns for what you are referring to, and pay attention to the terms instead of calling iPods bootloaders, you might get more understandable help.
05.32.05 #       <midkay> don't even bother with this guy.. *sighs*
05.32.07 #       <Vaco_Animus> because you act exactly like a radioshack employee
05.32.17 #       <Vaco_Animus> he asked what bootloader im using
05.32.17 #       <midkay> and he actually expects comprehensive help.
05.32.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Did you install using ipod_fw and ipodpatcher?
05.32.25 #       <Vaco_Animus> im using the one for the 5g
05.32.30 #       <Vaco_Animus> the one you told me to use
05.32.35 #       <Vaco_Animus> yes
05.32.38 #       <Vaco_Animus> i have rockbox on
05.32.40 #       <Vaco_Animus> i like it
05.32.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Then you're using the Rockbox bootloader
05.32.52 #       <Vaco_Animus> but i want to see the dif between ipl and it
05.33.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The iPodLinux bootloader can also load Rockbox, so in a question involving both, it is a valid question to ask whether you're using theirs or ours.
05.33.35 #       <Vaco_Animus> i was asking if i took it of my pod by cutting it trying ipl outt and removing ipl, could i just paste all my rockbox files back on and it would work
05.33.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> In all honestly, your best bet for installing iPodLinux is to completely uninstall Rockbox (ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin) first.
05.33.48 #       <Vaco_Animus> or would i have to go back through and install it
05.33.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You have to go back through.
05.33.59 #       <Vaco_Animus> ok
05.34.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And oddly enough, that's the easy method.
05.34.05 #       <midkay> you can't just "cut" rockbox. nor once it's uninstalled "paste" it.
05.34.10 #       <Vaco_Animus> thats what i wanted to do
05.34.27 #       <Vaco_Animus> what is the difference between ipl and rockbox
05.34.56 #       <midkay> haha.
05.34.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Go read their site and feature list, then read ours.
05.35.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> One is an operating system, the other is a music player firmware.
05.35.31 #       <Vaco_Animus> can you tell me if theres is more graphically appeasing then rockbox
05.35.40 #       <midkay> hahaha.
05.36.08 #       <midkay> it looks nice but it doesn't do much as far as actually using a DAP as a DAP instead of a game/demo machine. sounds perfect for you.
05.36.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The menus can look better than ours.
05.36.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, you probably would prefer iPL
05.36.53 #       <Vaco_Animus> ok does it shut down like rockbox so i can boot up in apple firmware
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05.37.43 #       <buzzard> hi all
05.37.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Vaco_Animus: It's NOT OUR SOFTWARE. Why do you expect us to know all about it?
05.38.05 #       <Vaco_Animus> because you guys have all been curious
05.38.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Try #ipodlinux for questions regarding it.
05.38.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Many of us have never installed it. Ever.
05.38.56 #       <midkay> we aren't curious as to how "cool" our ipods can look visually or how many games we can stuff on it.
05.39.09 #       <buzzard> guys i have a question i had installed the custome rockbox pack and when i try to play mp3's it gives me an error stating codec error
05.39.13 #       <midkay> we want something that works and works well for what the DAP was designed for. music playback.
05.39.30 #       <midkay> get a gameboy or something. sheesh.
05.39.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> buzzard: Being a "custom" build, you need to ask whoever made it. It's unofficial
05.39.50 #       <buzzard> ahh i see thanks
05.41.18 #       <buzzard> dam it
05.41.28 #       <buzzard> ryran made this patchand hes not on
05.41.37 #       <buzzard> i mean this custome build
05.41.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, you've already posted in the forums.
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05.41.58 #       <buzzard> yea i did
05.41.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Just have patience, or reinstall an official version.
05.42.18 #       <buzzard> yea i reinstalled the latest bleeding edge on
05.42.24 #       <sharpe> what's that quote... (or proverb?) "Patience is a virtue."
05.42.31 #       <buzzard> yea
05.42.36 #       <buzzard> that correct sharpe
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05.42.52 #       <buzzard> i have another question
05.43.08 #       <buzzard> umm i have pacbox in my plugins menu
05.43.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Go ahead
05.43.17 #       <buzzard> but when i trying playing it dosn't laod up
05.43.31 #       <buzzard> whats going on with that
05.43.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:6lGxbrsAuNEJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox+PluginPacbox&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
05.44.30 #       <buzzard> thanks paul
05.44.44 #       <buzzard> its says something about mame on that page
05.44.51 #       <buzzard> is the rock box able to play mame also
05.44.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Nope
05.45.02 #       <buzzard> ahh i see
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05.45.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Pacbox just requires the same Roms as MAME does for playing Pacman.
05.46.27 #       <buzzard> ohh i see
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05.56.39 #       <buzzard> hey i wanted to know can rockbox  read pdf files
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05.56.48 #       <sharpe> buzzard: nope.
05.56.58 #       <buzzard> ohh  i see
05.57.15 #       <buzzard> will this be something that will be implemented
05.57.22 #       <buzzard> in the future
05.57.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If someone does it.
05.57.51 #       <sharpe> not unless someone takes it upon themself to do so
05.58.06 #       <buzzard> casue its very useful sometimes i like to read magaines on the go
05.58.13 #       <buzzard> and i would like to put it in my ipod
05.58.16 #       <buzzard> so i can read it
05.58.26 #       <buzzard> but it dosn't support pdf
05.58.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, as has been said, if someone does it, it'll happen.
05.58.39 #       <buzzard> ic
05.58.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There are plenty of core things to be worked on, so odds are someone external would have to do it.
05.59.32 #       <buzzard> yea i know there alot of stuff but people who realeas stuff on there own means there making a patch and that means compiling
05.59.40 #       <buzzard> i have alot of trouble with it
05.59.54 #       <buzzard> i mad a whole big topic
06.00.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well when the feature freeze ends, a lot of those patches will start to get included in the main build again.
06.00.51 #       <buzzard> when will  the rockbox finish it fxing
06.00.56 #       <buzzard> fixing
06.01.04 #       <sharpe> when it does
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06.01.37 #       <buzzard> when will they release the offical release with gold the bugfixes fixed
06.01.39 #       <buzzard> do you know
06.01.46 #       <buzzard> i read sometime in nov
06.01.55 #       <sharpe> when it's finished, really...
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06.17.46 #       <sharpe> eh
06.17.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> oh
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06.20.15 #       <Vaco_Animus> does anyone know how to change a theme on ipod wizard
06.20.23 #       <Vaco_Animus> i dont get the tutoriAL
06.20.57 #       <Vaco_Animus> anyone
06.21.03 #       <sharpe> there is a ipodwizard irc channel... on another network...
06.21.03 #       <Vaco_Animus> im using images
06.21.20 #       <Vaco_Animus> were i couldn't find the address
06.21.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Vaco_Animus: Please, this is the Rockbox channel.
06.21.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's not even an iPod-only channel. Its a Rockbox-only channel
06.21.44 #       <Vaco_Animus> well i know a few people on this channel are members of that community
06.22.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Just because people in an office building also play baseball, doesn't mean you should walk into their offices and start asking about the rules of the sport.
06.22.35 #       <Vaco_Animus> why not
06.22.41 #       <Vaco_Animus> thats being friendly
06.22.48 #       <Vaco_Animus> you have similar interests
06.23.04 #       <Vaco_Animus> if i knew the irc channel name id go
06.23.53 #       <Jungti1234> hehehe
06.24.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Vaco_Animus: Why don't you ask in, say, the ipodwizard forums?
06.24.21 #       <Jungti1234> hahahahaha......
06.24.23 #       <Jungti1234> funny
06.24.40 #       <Vaco_Animus> because i don't want to make a login if they have an irc channel
06.25.33 #       <midkay> they don't.
06.25.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yet instead of trying to use google or some other method, you ask in an inappropriate channel.
06.25.38 #       <midkay> so sign up and quit asking.
06.25.55 #       <Vaco_Animus> why
06.26.06 #       <midkay> "why"?.. this is not #ipodwizard.
06.26.11 #       <midkay> most of us haven't even touched it or heard of it.
06.26.18 #       <Vaco_Animus> jesus why are you guys so self cenetred
06.26.25 #       <midkay> this channel isn't even ipod-specific, let alone related to ipodwizard.
06.26.25 #       <Vaco_Animus> midkay i know your a memeber there
06.26.42 #       <midkay> yes, i am. i'm not willing to help, nor is anyone here. so register and ask.
06.26.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> How is it being self centered to actually *respect* a channel topic?
06.26.42 #       <Vaco_Animus> which means you must have tried the program
06.26.47 #       <Jungti1234> stop
06.26.51 #       <Vaco_Animus> well lest see
06.26.57 #       <Vaco_Animus> no one was talking
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06.27.05 #       <Vaco_Animus> so i asked  a question
06.27.13 #       <Vaco_Animus> then you guys all snap out of your comas
06.27.22 #       <Vaco_Animus> just to yell
06.27.26 #       <midkay> and attack the idiot. yes.
06.27.29 #       <Jungti1234> Useless.
06.27.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Because we're here to help with Rockbox related issues.
06.27.38 #       <Vaco_Animus> no you dont
06.27.55 #       <Vaco_Animus> you guys just yell then to and say read the manual if you have the answers
06.27.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There are several HUNDRED people who would disagree with that statement.
06.28.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And that's just people I personally have helped.
06.28.09 #       <midkay> i wish we could get Paul_The_Nerd channel ops or something.
06.28.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Here's the trick. We help people who demonstrate that they've attempted to help themselves.
06.28.33 #       <Vaco_Animus> i wish you guys could help people
06.28.40 #       <Jungti1234> Have composure of mind.
06.28.50 #       <Vaco_Animus> ive spent countless hours trying to fix it myself
06.28.57 #       <Vaco_Animus> and you guys dont help
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06.29.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> This means that they've followed the instructions, and have picked up the terms from them, so that they can ask clear and concise questions such as "I've tried installing, but ipodpatcher.exe tells me that the firmware is too large for the bootpartition." Several proper nouns, and a clear stating of the problem telling us where they're actually having problems.
06.29.07 #       <Jungti1234> There is no reason to get angry to him.
06.29.16 #       <Jungti1234> Ignore.
06.29.16 #       <midkay> Vaco_Animus, well, you're honestly very clueless.
06.29.19 #       <Vaco_Animus> or when you do you act like im asking you for a liver instead of a yes or no answer
06.29.28 #       <Vaco_Animus> why do you think im asking?
06.29.33 #       <Vaco_Animus> io know nothing of ipods
06.29.38 #       <Vaco_Animus> and i needed help
06.29.52 #       <midkay> Vaco_Animus, and the funny thing is that when you do get your question answered you get all upset over the wording or suggestion..
06.29.52 #       <Jungti1234> Strange guys...
06.30.24 #       <Vaco_Animus> because you expect concise questions but you cant return concise answers
06.31.06 #       <midkay> you asked a question, got an answer and a suggestion, and got pissed because you were offered such a suggestion.. several times. just in case you're wondering why nobody likes or wants to help you.
06.31.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Vaco_Animus: You also have typed in all caps, and repeated questions more than once even when someone has attempted to help you.
06.32.41 #       <Vaco_Animus> who has attempted
06.32.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not this question
06.32.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Because you're asking in the wrong place.
06.33.00 #       <Vaco_Animus> you all get frustrated when i try to ask a question because i dont understand
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06.33.14 #       <Vaco_Animus> then you phrase it in a way a common man can't understand
06.33.19 #       <Vaco_Animus> so i get even more lost
06.33.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If it's phrased in a way you don't understand, then ask about whatever part you didn't get, and state clearly why you didn't understand it.
06.34.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> We don't intentionally phrase answers to be cryptic. We state them in the way we feel is the best way to state them.
06.34.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And in fact, on average, people understand what we say to them.
06.34.19 #       <midkay> and not like "JUST TELL ME THE ANSWER ALREADY".
06.35.32 #       <Vaco_Animus> the only time i type in caps is when you are telling me stuff i don't know and i am saying it in that manner so that maybe you will get the point of what im trying to make
06.35.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "Just tell me the answer already" is very different from "I don't understand what you mean by that."
06.35.56 #       <midkay> caps just makes people dislike you (even more than they already do) and not want to help.
06.36.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "Just tell me the answer already" means that you think you haven't been given it.
06.36.14 #       <midkay> bbiab..
06.36.32 #       <Vaco_Animus> i never said just tell me the answer already
06.37.16 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
06.37.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I haven't been here for all of it, so I wouldn't know.
06.37.24 #       <Jungti1234> hmm
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06.37.28 #       <Jungti1234> stop Paul :)
06.37.46 #       <Vaco_Animus> well you are putting words in my mouth
06.39.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What you have specifically done is re-asked the same question in all caps when someone was already trying to answer it.
06.39.40 #       <Vaco_Animus> who was trying to answer honestly
06.39.48 #       <Vaco_Animus> you say read it yourself
06.39.56 #       <Vaco_Animus> when it is a yes or no question
06.40.04 #       <Vaco_Animus> and someone knows the answer to
06.40.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Midkay tried to answer you honestly regarding the bootloader, but first he had to ask you some questions because you were using terms incorrectly so he didn't know what you meant
06.40.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Instead of taking it as an attempt to answer, you got offended, and yelled the question again.
06.41.00 #       <Vaco_Animus> and i thought for the bootloader he meant for which ipod
06.41.09 #       <Vaco_Animus> and he taunted me for it after that
06.41.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No, he said the 5G is not a bootloader.
06.41.23 #       <Vaco_Animus> so i got mad because all im trying to do is learn
06.41.25 #       <Vaco_Animus> bull
06.41.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Which should rather clearly tell you that's not what he was asking.
06.42.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Vaco_Animus: He specifically said "an ipod 5G is not a bootloader." as well as telling you that iPL has a bootloader and we have a bootloader so you'd know what distinction he was making
06.42.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm reading the log right now.
06.42.19 #       <Vaco_Animus> well i left the chat but he said a comment about how i couldnt understand because im a guy who thinks 5g is not a bootloader
06.42.47 #       <Vaco_Animus> is*
06.44.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm not spotting him saying the word "Understand" at all.
06.44.32 #       <Vaco_Animus> its not a direct quote
06.44.37 #       <Vaco_Animus> but it was around that
06.45.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't really see anything similar to that.
06.45.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> He doesn't say anywhere that you couldn't understand, or anything very similar to it at all.
06.46.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I would suggest in the future that you try to assume the best of people trying to help you, and even if they do seem impolite, don't get offended, as if they are honestly trying to help, and you start being a jerk, they'll return the attitude.
06.47.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Many people here assume at least some decent level of technical proficiency simply because you're installing an alternative firmware on an MP3 player.
06.47.34 #       <Vaco_Animus> to be honest the only decent person here is linux
06.47.43 #       <Vaco_Animus> or who at least shows it
06.47.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I tried to help you with the CVS issue as well
06.48.15 #       <Vaco_Animus> yah but you gave up
06.48.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Because I didn't have any more ideas.
06.48.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Am I supposed to lie and make stuff up?
06.48.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If you fault someone for saying "I can't fix it" then 6 billion people are also at fault for not helping you with your CVS issues.
06.49.05 #       <Vaco_Animus> well im not saying you were wrong for helping but linux researched it while helping me
06.49.15 #       <Vaco_Animus> and understood that i didnt understand
06.50.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, here are some things you need to understand:
06.50.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 1) People will try to help you, but in most cases the answers will start technical. Say "I don't understand what you're trying to explain" rather than repeating the question.
06.51.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 2) If people ask you questions, no matter how they're phrased, it's best to assume that they merely have poor social skills, and are just trying to find out more about your problem, not making fun of you for not knowing how to ask a question.
06.51.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 3) Ask questions in the appropriate place. This means not coming to the #rockbox channel to ask about software that we do not make or support.
06.52.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Trying as hard as possible to ask clear questions that _show_ you've tried to do the work yourself first, and asking the questions in the right place, are considered nearly essential etiquette in open source projects.
06.52.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> In fact, while midkay was less than polite with you, in some place you'll get a much worse reception than even here.
06.53.36 #       <MrStaticVoid> reminds me of http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
06.54.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> MrStaticVoid: That link is in my forum signature, actually. :)
06.55.07 #       <MrStaticVoid> oh, i havent noticed
06.55.18 #       <MrStaticVoid> it should be the topic :-D
06.55.19 #       <Jungti1234> hm
06.55.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't think many people in the forums have. Hehehe
06.56.02 #       <Jungti1234> my way of thinking is different from you..... Also..
07.00.00 #       <joshua_> MrStaticVoid, the other neat thing is (loading; I wish firefox would give me the bookmark while it was loading...)
07.00.04 #       <joshua_> http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=143
07.01.10 #       <joshua_> hmm, so my ipod has been sitting connected to the PC for power, sitting in hold mode for the past couple hours
07.01.15 #       <joshua_> (paused, untouched)
07.01.26 #       <joshua_> yet, it didn't go into sleep mode.. idle poweroff is set for 10m, though.
07.01.33 #       <joshua_> battery appears not to have charged any, either.
07.02.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Which ipod have ye?
07.03.17 #       <joshua_> Photo
07.03.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah
07.04.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Right now the iPods only draw I believe 100mah from USB while in Rockbox, so some of them don't charge.
07.04.44 #       <joshua_> ah
07.04.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It also won't ever go into sleep mode while charging, I believe. Which is actually a good thing, because if it did, it'd immediately reboot into either disk mode, or if hooked up to a wall charger, continual rebooting
07.05.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> My Nano charges fine.
07.05.08 #       <joshua_> yeah, I get continual rebooting with a wall charger if I plug it in without holding menu.
07.05.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The real best way to charge is to load the AppleOS
07.05.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not even disk mode.
07.05.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But the real Apple OS
07.06.00 #       <joshua_> I tried to compile a rockbox that didn't require me to hold menu, but the .got section evidently overlapped .text, according to the linker
07.06.04 #       <joshua_> hmm, how do I boot the apple OS?
07.06.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Shut down the iPod. Turn it on by pressing the Menu button, and continue holding it until you see "Loading Original Firmware..."
07.06.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Try not to wiggle your finger and trigger scrolls.
07.07.11 #       <joshua_> looking for shut down...
07.07.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hold Play/Pause...
07.07.39 #       <joshua_> I see
07.07.43 #       <joshua_> thanks
07.08.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No problem
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07.09.04 #       * joshua_ drops it on the charger
07.09.49 #       <joshua_> is there any code profiling support in rockbox? the UI seems a little laggy to me; I'd like to try to track that down
07.10.16 #       <JdGordon> yes, iirc there is
07.10.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I believe there is, yes.
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07.10.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't know any more than that though
07.10.42 #       <joshua_> I guess I'll wait for the wiki to come back on that one.
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07.10.59 #       <joshua_> I think right now, actually, I'm just going to go to sleep :)
07.11.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't know for sure, but it may only exist as a patch
07.11.07 #       <joshua_> hmmm
07.11.22 #       <JdGordon> no im pretty sure its a configure option.. so its there
07.11.26 #       <JdGordon> no idea how to use it tho
07.11.33 #       <joshua_> does the UI run as a thread that can be ripped out like other segments (just compiled in)?
07.11.59 #       <JdGordon> i tinhk so
07.12.19 #       <joshua_> hmmm
07.12.34 #       <joshua_> lots of interesting metrics to be taken to increase performance.
07.12.44 #       <joshua_> I wonder if the display has anything wacky like double-buffering to reduce tearing.
07.13.06 #       <joshua_> oh well. really got to sleep.
07.13.10 #       <joshua_> hack on it more tomorrow night.
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07.51.55 #       <midkay> gosh, Paul_The_Nerd. :)
07.56.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Que?
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07.57.11 #       <Harry> hello
07.57.23 #       <Harry> i uninstalled rockbox
07.57.33 #       <Harry> i didnt like it that much
07.57.42 #       <Harry> the themes look sick
07.57.57 #       <Harry> but i like to mange my music easly
07.58.03 #       <|apo|> So?
07.58.15 #       <Harry> for a future request i would like
07.58.23 #       <Harry> itunes support
07.58.38 #       <Harry> lapol
07.58.40 #       <|apo|> Haha
07.58.42 #       <Harry> ?
07.59.13 #       <Harry> wats funny
07.59.17 #       <|apo|> I'm using rockbox to get away from iTunes, because it's a horrible software
07.59.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> iTunes support?
07.59.25 #       <Harry> ...
07.59.35 #       <Harry> wats wrong with itunes
07.59.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Filetree is pretty darn easy to handle.
07.59.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> As well, TagCache can index your iTunes music
08.00.07 #       <Harry> but it does organize it like itunes
08.00.10 #       <Harry> does it
08.00.15 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, just.. your incredible patience with which you assist some people.. :)
08.00.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What do you even mean by "organize it like iTunes?"
08.00.30 #       <Harry> like
08.00.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> iTunes doesn't run on your iPod anyway, so the music on your iPod isn't organized like iTunes either
08.00.37 #       <Harry> drag and drop
08.00.46 #       <Harry> easy to make playlist
08.01.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You can make playlists on the player itself, very easily.
08.01.11 #       <|apo|> And even name them
08.01.15 #       <Harry> wat tagcache
08.01.16 #       <|apo|> Not on the go 1232134
08.01.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> As well, it supports M3U playlists, which nearly every music program supports.
08.01.31 #       <Harry> paul hmm
08.01.35 #       <Jungti1234> uh
08.01.36 #       <midkay> it's too bad he gave you no credit for the long time you spent trying to help him yesterday or so..
08.01.41 #       <Jungti1234> :)
08.01.51 #       <Harry> long time
08.01.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I get no credit because I couldn't *solve* the problem. The effort doesn't count unless it concludes with a solution.
08.01.56 #       <Harry> lmfao
08.02.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Harry: He's not talking about you.
08.02.18 #       <Harry> oo
08.02.21 #       <midkay> Harry, no, sorry, not you.
08.02.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Harry: Anyway, if you don't like Rockbox, don't use it, but iTunes support is very unlikely. There's really no reason for it.
08.02.36 #       <Harry> paul ill try it again
08.02.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> As it is, TagCache can show your songs in Artist/Album/Genre view anyway.
08.02.47 #       <Harry> wats tagcache
08.03.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:ebRuPlSfT7MJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache%3Fskin%3Dprint+site:www.rockbox.org+tagcache&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a
08.03.10 #       <Harry> and how do i shut off ipod
08.03.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hold Play/Pause
08.03.32 #       <Harry> but that puts into sleep
08.03.41 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, i suppose.. also as to my "less than polite" behavior (thanks for the not-so-harsh way of putting it) - he's talked to me over AIM several times in the past week or more, asking for the most obvious Doom/pacbox questions that are all in the wiki and stuff like that..
08.03.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No, in Rockbox it shuts it off.
08.04.07 #       <Harry> rockbox it does
08.04.14 #       <Harry> but no apple os
08.04.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Harry: Well, this is the *Rockbox* channel
08.04.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So if you don't specify that you're in AppleOS we kinda assume you're in Rockbox
08.04.26 #       <Harry> ...
08.04.35 #       <Harry> lol
08.04.37 #       <Harry> srry
08.04.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> AppleOS doesn't feature shutting down.
08.04.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The closest you've got is holding Menu+Select to reboot.
08.05.51 #       <Harry> hmm
08.05.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: In his small defense, the wiki was down recently, but I really don't see anything wrong with his behaviour. You seemed (from my perspective) to try at first, and then lose patience with him. At least you tried.
08.06.24 #       <Harry> paul
08.06.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes Harry?
08.06.41 #       <Harry> how do i install ipl loader
08.06.45 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, when he asked me about all that, the wiki was still up.. it was days before..
08.06.52 #       <Harry> since its better
08.07.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Harry: 1) I don't think it's better. 2) Ask that in #ipodlinux
08.07.10 #       <Harry> k
08.07.19 #       <agne> Paul_The_Nerd: how do you search for cached websits  :D
08.07.54 #       <Harry> paul is ipl anygood have u tried it
08.07.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> agne: Search for the website as normal (go to google, type site:www.rockbox.org keyword), then just click the "cached" link under the one you want.
08.08.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Harry: It's not very good for music playing at all.
08.08.19 #       <Harry> does it play video
08.09.02 #       <Harry> paul is #ipod linux on same server
08.10.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It plays uncompressed video.
08.10.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And #ipodlinux should be, yes.
08.10.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yup, it's there. Just peeked in.
08.11.45 #       <Harry> paul
08.11.48 #       <Harry> kick me
08.12.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ?
08.12.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kick you?
08.15.09 #       <Jungti1234> ;;;
08.15.55 #       <markun> Jungti1234: korean language file is updated
08.16.09 #       <Jungti1234> Confirmed.
08.16.12 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wonders why it's so common that people assumes he can do stuff like that.
08.16.13 #       <Jungti1234> thanks. :)
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08.18.45 #       <neighbors> Hi, would anybody be willing to /msg me some short instructions on getting rockbox working on an iaudio X5?  The online documentation is missing the bootloader section for the X5
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08.19.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> neighbors: http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:ac_cBAKQ5MwJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot+site:www.rockbox.org+iaudioboot&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
08.20.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The files that go with it can be found at the mirror listed in the channel topic
08.20.21 #       <neighbors> Paul_The_Nerd: thanks
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08.29.15 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: I don't think the fix you committed is a clean solution. Something causes tc.dirlevel to loose track, which needs to be found & fixed.
08.39.06 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: yep, i also think this as a temporary solution
08.39.52 #       <Slasheri> i think adding the virtual dir support and redesigning the tagcache browsing code might fix that
08.41.43 #       <amiconn> Hmm. A comment would be helpful for later
08.42.42 #       <JdGordon> :) u added my band-aid fix
08.43.16 #       <amiconn> I think the tagcache browsing code looses track of tc.dirlevel under the observed conditions, i.e. when tagcache isn't initialised
08.44.47 #       <amiconn> The virtual dir won't happen too soon because it has some implementation implications. The multivolume virtual dirs are handled at the filesystem level, so the question remains how to hook a tagcache virtual dir as tagcache is application level
08.46.06 #       <amiconn> Otoh, if we find a solution, the tagcache virtual dir will probably solve the problem with tagcache and playlists - tagcache will behave like a virtual file system
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08.49.09 #       <neighbors> Is there a place that shows the current status and implemented features of the iaudio rockbox?
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08.56.45 #       <LinusN> neighbors: yes, in the (currently down) wiki
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08.56.58 #       <neighbors> Ah
08.57.15 #       <neighbors> My iaudio main menu looks nothing like that in the manual, for one, I have no themes menu
08.57.26 #       <neighbors> So I was going to see if maybe themes were not implemented yet for the iaudio
08.58.54 #       <LinusN> yes they are
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09.12.23 #       <spiral8> neeed help !!???
09.12.41 #       <midkay> no you don't.
09.12.56 #       <spiral8> can i install voice files in iPod video ?
09.13.05 #       <spiral8> ya i really want
09.13.06 #       <midkay> sure.
09.13.18 #       <spiral8> i've downloaded voice file ..
09.13.34 #       <spiral8> bt whr to install tht file .. i mean i dont kno wht to do with it ?
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09.16.53 #       <midkay> i shut up because i'm not sure.
09.17.17 #       <spiral8> ohhh den it fine :P
09.17.45 #       <spiral8> anyways ... i'll work around to do tht ...  or else will come back here again !
09.18.13 #       <midkay> i think /.rockbox/lang or langs..
09.18.16 #       <midkay> or /.rockbox/voice.
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09.22.50 #       <spiral8> k i'll give a try thanx man
09.23.00 #       <midkay> np.
09.25.14 #       <petur> er... in the lang folder
09.25.45 #       <ravon> What's the URL for the X5 bootloader? The wiki seems to be screwed up atm.
09.25.49 #       <petur> and then enable voice in the settings
09.26.02 #       <petur> ravon: see channel topic
09.26.06 #       <ravon> ooops
09.26.08 #       <ravon> thanks :D
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09.34.13 #       <ravon> When is the boost ratio considered "bad"?
09.34.27 #       <ravon> ie, when is it draining too many cycles?
09.34.45 #       <petur> when it goes near 100%?
09.34.55 #       <petur> lower = better
09.35.06 #       <ravon> Hmmm, is 60-70% acceptable?
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09.36.32 #       <petur> 60-70% says 'please optimize me' ;)
09.36.50 #       <ravon> :D
09.37.12 #       <ravon> damn, and this is still only in 8bit 22KHz :/
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09.41.36 #       <spiral8> hey petur ... thnx i''lll du tht now
09.41.38 #       <spiral8> ;)
09.42.20 #       <JdGordon> fucking uni marks!
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10.47.39 #       <Loeckchen> hiho
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10.56.35 #       <apikoros> i just changed my gf's ipod mini to rockbox, she's going to kill me
10.56.54 #       <Loeckchen> does it run?
10.57.18 #       <Loeckchen> btw: has anyone managed to install a recent amarok (1.4) on mac osx without using X?
10.57.29 #       <apikoros> well, it boots -- i haven't played anything yet -- transferring some music atm
10.57.30 #       <Loeckchen> i'm currently doing the fink approach but this one requires X11
10.58.03 #       <Loeckchen> but i need a recent xcode, still have 2.0 installed - and the fink version of amarok needs at least xcode 2.2 to compile
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11.00.20 #       <linuxstb> earHertz: I've been reading your lcd_update discussions (ipod video).  Yes, the Rockbox lcd_update_rect() function is in IRAM - this is done with the ICODE_ATTR macro which tells the linker to put the code in the .icode section.  The startup code in crt0.S will then copy it IRAM when Rockbox is started.
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11.00.59 #       <linuxstb> If you want to do the same with hotdog's ASM function, you need to specify ".section .icode" in the .S file
11.01.10 #       <linuxstb> (see the files in firmware/common/ for examples)
11.01.27 #       <Jungti1234> anyone have fwpatcher?
11.01.52 #       <Loeckchen> look at the topic
11.02.05 #       <Loeckchen> you can get it from http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki
11.02.22 #       <Jungti1234> haha.. sorry
11.03.13 #       <Loeckchen> there are directories with the names of the appropriate wiki entries
11.03.21 #       <Loeckchen> and under these directories the files can be found
11.04.16 #       <Jungti1234> yep
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11.04.21 #       <Jungti1234> thanks
11.05.17 #       <Loeckchen> i am currently installing win2k in a vmware on my server box
11.05.23 #       <Loeckchen> so i can reformat my 4G with fat32
11.05.45 #       <Loeckchen> it currently has hfs on it
11.06.24 #       <Jungti1234> Could not open patched firmware for checksum check
11.06.26 #       <apikoros> there's sound! :)
11.06.36 #       <apikoros> Loeckchen, OS X does not support fat32?!
11.06.38 #       <Jungti1234> bug?
11.07.08 #       <_FireFly_> apikoros: that's not true
11.07.25 #       <Loeckchen> it supports fat32
11.07.28 #       <_FireFly_> OS X can read from and write to fat32 disks
11.07.41 #       <Loeckchen> but it can't convert an ipod to fat32
11.07.48 #       <_FireFly_> but i don't know if you can format a disk with fat32 under Mac OS X
11.08.04 #       <apikoros> there's no implementation of mkdosfs?
11.08.10 #       <apikoros> it should compile under darwin
11.09.33 #       <Loeckchen> you can
11.09.41 #       <Loeckchen> i'll now try to convert my ipod to fat32
11.09.50 #       <apikoros> wah, the various clickwheel buttons behave differently
11.10.05 #       <apikoros> Loeckchen, did you just google it?
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11.11.27 #       <Loeckchen> i am currently vierwing the wiki page on this topic from the google cache
11.11.58 #       <apikoros> ah, there's no way my gf will go for this, buttons behave too differently than what she's used to
11.12.10 #       <apikoros> i'll have to keep rockbox on my iriver and stupid apple firmware on her ipod
11.12.31 #       <apikoros> i get nausous just looking at its retarded directory structure
11.12.34 #       <Loeckchen> i want to try rockbox because it supports ogg
11.12.50 #       <apikoros> Loeckchen, rockbox is better
11.12.57 #       <apikoros> my gf just won't have the patience to learn a new interface
11.13.07 #       <Loeckchen> but unfortunately you can't sync with itunes
11.13.09 #       <apikoros> but yah, it supports flac, ogg, wav, mp3, etc.
11.13.36 #       <apikoros> you can just sync it with your music dir
11.13.39 #       <Loeckchen> i have grown attached to itunes so i want to try to get amarok running on osx
11.13.50 #       <apikoros> iTunes is bloated garbage IMO
11.13.56 #       <apikoros> but to each his own
11.13.58 #       <Loeckchen> yeah, just use a cp -Ru ^^
11.14.13 #       <Loeckchen> my 4G is 40gb big and my collection has some 30gb
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11.18.32 #       <Loeckchen> my 4g is currently being reformatted with fat32
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11.42.38 #       <Loeckchen> my ipod doesn't mount
11.42.44 #       <JdGordon> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/2619 can be closed ye? there has been a remote lock icon for ages
11.44.15 #       <petur> afaicr, yes
11.44.36 #       <Loeckchen> oh does rockbox not work with firewire?
11.44.43 #       <Loeckchen> it only mounts on usb
11.44.51 #       <JdGordon> ye
11.45.15 #       <Loeckchen> gotta get an usb2.0 hub then
11.45.23 #       <petur> doesn't rockbox use the original ipod firmware for connecting?
11.45.46 #       <petur> maybe we don't detect the firewire connection being made
11.46.24 #       <Loeckchen> how do i switch off rockbox?
11.46.37 #       <Loeckchen> oh the same as the original f/w
11.47.35 #       <Loeckchen> OK it does only mount on USB
11.47.45 #       <Loeckchen> with firewire, it gets switched on but boots into rockbox
11.49.50 #       <amiconn> Loeckchen: You can switch to disk mode manually
11.50.07 #       <amiconn> Reboot the ipod, and while it's booting, press Select+Play
11.50.28 #       <amiconn> And yes, we don't detect firewire connections (yet)
11.52.50 #       <Loeckchen> okay, thanks
11.53.16 #       <Loeckchen> i have now made an fstab entry on my server box for /dev/sdc2 which is always my ipod
11.53.27 #       <Loeckchen> so a user can mount it on /media/ipod
11.53.38 #       <Loeckchen> and use a cp -Ruf to copy over the music
11.54.17 #       <_FireFly_> Loeckchen: you could also use a udev rule (if you have udev running) to name the dave /dev/ipod* :)
11.54.32 #       <Loeckchen> it's ubuntu dapper amd64-xeon
11.54.37 #       <Loeckchen> so it is running udev
11.54.54 #       <_FireFly_> s/dave/device
11.55.00 #       <Loeckchen> but i'm a REAL noob with udev ^^
11.55.31 #       <Loeckchen> the amd64-xeon kernel of ubuntu is the one for xeon and pentium-d/pentium4 with em64t
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11.57.43 #       <_FireFly_> Loeckchen: eg for my iriver h120 i have this rule:
11.57.45 #       <_FireFly_> # Iriver H120
11.57.45 #       <_FireFly_> BUS=="usb", SYSFS{manufacturer}=="iRiver             ", SYSFS{product}=="iRiver iHP-100 Series",KERNEL="sd*", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="iriver%n"
11.58.06 #       <Loeckchen> and this generates a /dev/iriver(number) entry?
11.58.33 #       <_FireFly_> the info for SYSFS{manufacturer} and SYSFS{product} can you retrieve via udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sd*
11.58.36 #       <_FireFly_> Loeckchen: yes
11.58.52 #       <Loeckchen> okay i will try it after the music is copied
11.58.55 #       <_FireFly_> and it is only a symlink to the real /dev/sd* device
11.59.16 #       <Loeckchen> and how can i manage a auotmount?
11.59.18 #       <Loeckchen> automount
11.59.39 #       <_FireFly_> maybe you need other SYSFS atributes which indentify the ipod
12.00.26 #       <Loeckchen> but from the first impressions with the menu, rockbox seems very well-made
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12.01.51 #       <Loeckchen> the fonts come into the dir .rockbox/fonts?
12.01.59 #       <petur> yes
12.02.04 #       <Loeckchen> okay, i forgot these
12.02.30 #       <petur> don't forget to browse for a nice theme
12.03.33 #       <apikoros> Loeckchen, if you unzip them into the root directory with full path, they'll go into the right folder
12.04.08 #       <Loeckchen> i have installed the bleeding edge build
12.04.17 #       <Loeckchen> it came without fonts
12.04.36 #       <petur> this is to reduce bandwidth on the server
12.05.07 #       <petur> as many people download the bleeding edge to upgrade
12.05.25 #       <petur> and the fonts almost never change
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12.10.40 #       <Loeckchen> so, i copied the fonts-dir to /.rockbox
12.10.48 #       <Loeckchen> i.e. it's now /.rockbox/fonts
12.10.52 #       <Loeckchen> i guess it is correct
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12.50.17 #       <Loeckchen> mh, rockbox doesn't find the fonts
12.50.22 #       <Loeckchen> i copied the fonts dir to .rockbox
12.50.32 #       <Loeckchen> or is it the wrong location
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13.08.47 #       <petur> Loeckchen: /.rockbox/fonts
13.09.39 #       <Loeckchen> it works now
13.09.50 #       <Loeckchen> i copied the bdf files from the source code, not the .fnt files...
13.09.51 #       <Loeckchen> silly me
13.10.10 #       <Loeckchen> rockbox really rocks
13.10.28 #       <Loeckchen> but when building the database, music stutters when scrolling through the file browser
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13.11.04 #       <PaulJam> rockbox isn't very optimized for ipod yet.
13.11.19 #       <Loeckchen> but the best thing is, no crappy volume limit
13.11.35 #       <Loeckchen> i can now attach a cassette adapter to play the music to the car radio
13.11.58 #       <Loeckchen> these adapters need a very high volume setting
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13.12.44 #       <PaulJam> there are tools to remove the volume cap from the original firmware.
13.13.38 #       <petur> shht, don't make our users go away :p
13.13.59 #       <Loeckchen> so now, as rockbox supports ogg, i only need to know if amarok can transcode to ogg on the fly when transferring tunes to the ipod
13.14.16 #       <Loeckchen> this would save much space
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13.14.44 #       <Loeckchen> and on-the go, ogg with a bitrate of 96 is really enough for listening with headphones
13.14.46 #       <crwl> there's the transKode script, but i don't know what it can do
13.15.09 #       <PaulJam> but if you have only 30GB music and 40 GB space, why would you want to transcode?
13.15.15 #       <Loeckchen> i also think rockbox sounds better
13.15.30 #       <Loeckchen> because you can adjust sound settings better
13.15.42 #       <Loeckchen> not for now but when new music is added
13.20.23 #       <dj-fu> turn crossfeed on
13.20.29 #       <dj-fu> prepare to be blown away, if you haven't already
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13.21.33 #       <Loeckchen> i now turned it on
13.21.43 #       <Loeckchen> i'm currently testing it with Melotron - Der Anfang
13.21.50 #       <crwl> how much does crossfeed increase boost ratio in iriver devices nowadays?
13.21.50 #       <dj-fu> I've no idea what that is.
13.22.02 #       <dj-fu> should be configurable no/
13.22.09 #       <dj-fu> there aare mad cf options
13.22.09 #       <Loeckchen> whoa
13.22.12 #       <Loeckchen> great bass
13.22.19 #       <dj-fu> think speakers inside your head
13.22.35 #       <Loeckchen> i have sennheiser px15 in ear
13.23.02 #       <dj-fu> feh, rich guy aye
13.23.22 #       <Loeckchen> they only came 19,95 euros
13.23.31 #       <Loeckchen> it was a special offer
13.23.58 #       <Loeckchen> but with crossfeed, sound begins to stutter when building the database in background
13.24.09 #       <Loeckchen> i think the ipod version isn't optimized enough for it
13.25.42 #       <petur> using a wps with peakmeters?
13.26.03 #       <Loeckchen> no
13.26.16 #       <Loeckchen> dancing puffy
13.26.25 #       <petur> ok
13.26.31 #       <dj-fu> Which version ipod?
13.26.40 #       <dj-fu> & do you have EQ turned on?
13.26.41 #       <Loeckchen> 4g 40gb
13.26.47 #       <Loeckchen> i just turned it on
13.26.54 #       <dj-fu> eq is _very_ intensive
13.27.11 #       <Loeckchen> okay, EQ is off now
13.27.31 #       <dj-fu> my Nano plays fine w/ crossfeed turned on. although, I don't use the tagcache database, just file rowser
13.27.49 #       <Loeckchen> now, the theme selector doesn't work any more
13.27.56 #       <Loeckchen> after resetting the ipod, it works again
13.29.50 #       <Loeckchen> i now use the default theme "boxes"
13.29.58 #       <Loeckchen> the animation was too intensive
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13.31.50 #       <PaulJam> you can find additional themes here: www.rockbox-themes.org
13.32.17 #       <Loeckchen> can you somehow cancel the building of the tag database?
13.32.44 #       <lou> drop your mp3 player on the floor very very hard
13.33.07 #       <Loeckchen> and a way where it stays intact?
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13.40.17 #       <lou> no idea :)
13.41.29 #       <Loeckchen> i could delete all config files
13.41.33 #       <Loeckchen> but that's not it
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14.27.24 #       <Loeckchen> mh does the tagcache not work on the ipod?
14.27.30 #       <Loeckchen> i updated it and it is now ready
14.27.37 #       <Loeckchen> but it still says, tagcache not ready
14.27.59 #       <freqmod> sometimes you have to restart the ipod to make it work
14.28.51 #       <Loeckchen> oh after a reboot, it says "committing tagcache"
14.29.08 #       <Loeckchen> okay, now it works
14.29.13 #       <freqmod> fine :)
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14.30.01 #       * JdGordon slightly disagrees with this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5257.0 and belives the better result would be more ppl with mod priveladges around the globe
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14.32.26 #       <Loeckchen> and how do i search? i now did a search for artists and have a screen where i can enter my search word
14.32.32 #       <Loeckchen> so how do i fire it up?
14.32.42 #       <Loeckchen> mh ok
14.32.44 #       <Loeckchen> hold select
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14.44.58 #       <SePhIr0tH> hi
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14.46.01 #       <petur> HeLLo
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15.17.20 #       <Loeckchen> FOAD: PONG *g*
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15.18.08 #       <Loeckchen> i had lunch
15.18.12 #       <Loeckchen> i just returned
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15.22.50 #       <JdGordon> was it a nice lunch?
15.23.32 #       <Loeckchen> yeah
15.23.41 #       <Loeckchen> fish, french fries and mustard sauce
15.23.48 #       <JdGordon> and u didnt invite me?
15.23.53 #       <JdGordon> basterd..
15.24.16 #       <Loeckchen> okay, next time, come to halle/saale (germany) and you can have something
15.24.19 #       <petur> JdGordon: because it isn't lunch hour for you
15.24.53 #       <JdGordon> 11.35pm is almost lunch time :D
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15.25.33 #       <Loeckchen> here it's 3:25 PM
15.25.36 #       <Loeckchen> CEST ^^
15.25.49 #       * petur was wondering if the timezone had 10 minute offsets
15.26.11 #       <amiconn> There are some odd time zones in the world...
15.26.19 #       <petur> I know
15.26.43 #       <FOAD> None with 10 min offsets, afaik.
15.28.06 #       <JdGordon> gnite all
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15.32.20 #       <Malnilion> Timezones with ten minute offsets exist?
15.32.35 #       <Malnilion> What could possibly be the purpose of that?
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15.38.12 #       <FOAD> Or 30 min ones?
15.38.54 #       <Malnilion> Are there such things?
15.39.30 #       <FOAD> Yep.
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15.59.46 #       <Loeckchen> today's computer club and i am the leader of it ^^
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16.16.01 #       <earHertz> linuxstb: here?
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16.20.01 #       <linuxstb_> earHertz: Yes, but I may have to disappear at any moment, so if I don't answer, it means I'm gone...
16.20.19 #       <earHertz> linuxstbI saw your message about icode attr
16.20.20 #       <linuxstb_> Did you read my comments (about 11am this morning) about IRAM?
16.20.24 #       <linuxstb_> :)
16.20.51 #       <earHertz> ok, in assembly, I use this: .section    .icode,"ax",%progbits
16.21.01 #       <earHertz> that shoudl put the code in teh icode section, yes?
16.21.06 #       <linuxstb_> Yes.
16.21.22 #       <linuxstb_> I did some IRAM experiments a while ago, and posted a patch here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5226
16.21.47 #       <earHertz> and in teh c code, I keep the icode on lcd_update_rect, but took it OFF the actuiual C function called
16.22.14 #       <earHertz> so I'm thinking, teh asm ran in IRAm and teh c didn't
16.22.32 #       <earHertz> which makes teh results even more confusing
16.22.46 #       <linuxstb_> Easiest thing is to check the rockbox.map file - to see which sections the functions were put.
16.23.45 #       <earHertz> linuxstb_: your patch says you got better speed by NOT using IRAM??
16.24.01 #       <linuxstb_> No.
16.24.25 #       <linuxstb_> 74% boost with both icode and idata, 75% boost with only idata, and 90% boost with no IRAM use.
16.24.45 #       <linuxstb_> i.e. icode only gives a tiny improvement - so it seems better to use IRAM for data instead of code.
16.25.08 #       <linuxstb_> (we only have 96KB of IRAM - 48KB for core Rockbox, 48KB for codecs/plugins)
16.25.18 #       <earHertz> for mp3 data
16.25.33 #       <linuxstb_> In fact, we have 128KB on some targets (Nano, 5g, 2nd Gen mini) - but I don't think we use it.
16.25.38 #       <earHertz> what do you mean by "boost"?
16.26.11 #       <linuxstb_> The CPU boost ratio when decoding audio - from the audio thread debug screen.  Not a great measure, but it's easy to see.
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16.26.26 #       <linuxstb_> Feel free to do some better benchmarks of iram.
16.26.32 #       <linuxstb_> gotta go.
16.26.41 #       <earHertz> oh, ok
16.26.42 #       <earHertz> bye
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16.30.54 #       <linuxstb_> I'm back for 30 seconds - feel free to ask more questions, and I'll answer them when I can this afternoon.
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16.36.40 #       <linuxstb_> earHertz: Whilst you're looking at ASM optimisations, the ATA driver would probably benefit from them - the functions to read/write sectors are ASM-optimised for SH-1 and Coldfire, but not ARM.  It's vaguely similar to memcpy, but the source of reads (and destination of writes) is a constant address (a 16-bit memory-mapped hardware register).
16.37.30 #       <earHertz> linuxstb_: in that case it's virtually the same as teh lcd (destination of writes is 16 bit)
16.37.51 #       <earHertz> So if we figure out teh best lcd, the ata stuff should fall out from that
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16.37.53 #       <linuxstb_> Yep.  Although you need to take account of unaligned source/destination addresses.
16.38.07 #       <earHertz> linuxstb_: of course ;)
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16.38.19 #       <earHertz> My experiments with memcpy have driven that point home
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16.39.10 #       <linuxstb_> Yes, all these things are very similar, which is why I mentioned it :)
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16.40.51 #       <earHertz> Once I have teh lcd optimized, I'll make teh ATA my next project
16.41.38 #       <earHertz> But I'm saddened to learn that all our writing to the lcd is through a DIAGNOSTIC function. And if we couild talk to the broadcomm, we could have memory mapped lcd
16.41.56 #       * earHertz is actually pretty pissed
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16.48.39 #       <linuxstb_> Do you think there's much potential left with the current LCD update method?
16.50.02 #       <amiconn> Maybe memory mapped lcd is possible on the g5 - if we get some docs for the broadcom chip. Otherwise I'd say forget it...
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16.52.05 #       <amiconn> Even on the older ipods we can't access the lcd controller directly
16.55.35 #       <amiconn> Especially the access on the greyscale ipods are way slower than they could be if we had direct access, or could at least program the delays in the PP's interface to the lcd controller
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16.56.47 #       <linuxstb_> I'm not 100% sure, but I would guess that the LCD drivers have all been developed from disassembling the ipod diagnostic mode code from flash, rather than retailos itself.  So maybe retailos does things better.
16.57.56 #       <petur> so now the pp code has been cracked RE will give us better code?
16.58.20 #       <amiconn> apple_os.bin isn't encrypted according to linuxstb
16.58.49 #       <petur> oh
16.59.15 #       <amiconn> I did not yet find out the load address / entry point of the image. As soon as I have that I'll feed apple_os.bin through ida pro
16.59.54 #       <linuxstb_> The load address and entry point of the image are in the header.  I think they're both 0x10000000.
17.01.01 #       <linuxstb_> i.e. the part of apple_os.bin which contains the exception vectors should be loaded to 0x10000000, everything before the exception vectors should be discarded.
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17.01.27 #       <linuxstb_> But then that code probably remaps RAM to 0x00000000 in the same way as Rockbox does, so I don't know how IDA Pro would handle that.
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17.15.44 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: I guess it's not that important, as arm jump ops are always pc relative
17.15.53 #       <amiconn> Data addresses might be a problem though
17.17.15 #       <linuxstb_> If you're going to look at retailos, it could be worthwhile talking to the IPL devs in #ipodlinux-dev
17.20.28 #       <earHertz> ipl devs will tell you there are no specs on teh broadcomm chip
17.20.57 #       <earHertz> even if e got data to the broadcomm, how would we control what the broadcomm did with it?
17.21.17 #       <petur> but they will most probably have been looking at the disassembly too
17.22.12 #       <earHertz> broadcomm takes data in 16 bits (or 8), so I'm guessing teh retail os sends a bunch of data to the broadcomm (which has its own mmeory) and then the broadcomm memeory maps the lcd
17.22.33 #       <SePhIr0tH> well i was about to ask for help 1h ago but i managed to get rockbox works with ipod mini 2nd generation, so i'l only say that : good job guys rockbox is great :o
17.22.53 #       <linuxstb_> earHertz: I was talking about asking for advice on using IDA Pro with retailos.
17.23.06 #       <earHertz> oh, sorry
17.24.35 #       <linuxstb_> Also, amiconn has an ipod mini, so I'm assuming he's not interested in the Broadcom chip.
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17.27.50 #       <amiconn> I'm more interested in how the lcd access is done on the older ipods, especially greyscale but also color/photo and nano
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17.34.53 #       <linuxstb_> Yes, so am I.  I'm not really motivated to spend time with the Broadcom chip.
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17.36.25 #       <ryran> boomyaow
17.38.20 #       <lamed>  can't get sdl sound playing in a normal rockbox vmware machine install. anyone had something similar?
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17.42.39 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: i got an idea how the virtual fs for tagcache could be done. At first tagcache could request firmware level to bind its hooks, for example vfs_bind("/tagcache", callback_routine); Then when trying to open dir /tagcache, the handler inside tagcache viewer would be called. And for open, delete etc. appropriate handlers would be called to retrieve the real filename. For example delete("/tagcache/artist/album/08. song"); would first ...
17.42.45 #       <Slasheri> ... callback tagcache handler to retrieve that filename, then do the desired function at real system level delete and finally callback tagcache to handle the delete.
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17.49.50 #       <lamed> ..I'd love some help with that sdl simsound :(
17.49.56 #       <linuxstb_> Does tagcache currently handle the case of a user deleting files via Rockbox?
17.50.40 #       <linuxstb_> lamed: Can you get any sound out of your vmware ?  i.e. a normal Linux sound application?
17.53.10 #       <Slasheri> linuxstb_: there is no direct hooks, but on update scan (automatic or manual), that is handled
17.55.03 #       <ryran> Slasheri: the new tc autoupdate just happens on boot, right?
17.57.21 #       <Slasheri> yep
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17.59.28 #       <lamed> linuxstb: yeah. i get beeps when I alt
18.00.05 #       <lamed> linuxstb: (alt/ or backspace on the bash)
18.00.11 #       <lamed> here's a better explanation:
18.00.31 #       <lamed> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5261.0
18.01.20 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: Boot and usb unplug, or boot only?
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18.04.53 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: boot & usb, just verified
18.05.02 #       <linuxstb_> lamed: I use Linux, but don't use vmware, and I also haven't used the sim for a while - making me not the best person to help.  I recall there being problems with audio in the sim, but it did work more than you're experiencing.
18.05.18 #       <Slasheri> but there seems to be a wrong ifdef for dircache, so autoscan won't work for archos at all atm
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18.16.52 #       <bluebrother> can someone explain me the meaning of "tonguelashed"?
18.17.28 #       <bluebrother> seems to colloquial as I wasn't able finding it in a dictionary.
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18.20.23 #       <linuxstb_> I think you could just describe it as being attacked verbally - but normally because you've done something wrong.
18.20.43 #       <bluebrother> hmm.
18.21.07 #       <bluebrother> I can't remember doing something wrong in that case :o
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18.21.35 #       <linuxstb_> Ah, "tongue-lashing" = "a scolding"
18.21.44 #       <linuxstb_> (from dictionary.com)
18.21.44 #       <ryran> nice job on all the tc work Slasheri ... peace out everyone
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18.22.09 #       <linuxstb_> Also, "rebuking a person harshly"
18.23.27 #       <bluebrother> wow. I'm fascinated.
18.24.00 #       <bluebrother> seems the "reason" was my comment on this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5643
18.24.29 #       <bluebrother> can't find anything unpolite on my comment ...
18.24.39 #       <bluebrother> some users are really crazy.
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18.26.05 #       <linuxstb_> I didn't understand that feature request at all.  Part of me thought he was referring to the iriver firmware - because he said you can't record from the tuner.
18.27.26 #       <bluebrother> I think he didn't read anything of the loads of documentation that is around.
18.27.27 #       <bluebrother> too bad.
18.29.20 #       <bluebrother> now I've got a mail (stupid "reply to all" in outlook express, but I guess rockbox-sf won't accept mails from outside) and he calls it exactly the way he would have implemented it
18.29.26 #       <bluebrother> what should I say more?
18.30.28 #       <linuxstb_> So he's replied to the comments you and Paul made, but via email to you?
18.31.40 #       <bluebrother> yes.
18.31.53 #       <bluebrother> > After being tonguelashed by another bluebrother for not "getting" the iRiver navigation system
18.32.11 #       <linuxstb_> So is he talking about the iriver firmware?
18.32.35 #       <bluebrother> I'm not sure if he refers to me, but I don't know of any other bluebrother on the rockbox project
18.32.39 #       <bluebrother> partly.
18.33.05 #       <bluebrother> a bit later he talks about rockbox. It's completely confusing.
18.34.15 #       <bluebrother> I think I'll resist replying to his mail. Strangely his mail seems not to be addressed to Paul.
18.34.51 #       <linuxstb_> You could just reply briefly and suggest that the correct place to post his ideas/complaints would be the rockbox mailing list.
18.35.19 #       <linuxstb_> (and not flyspray or private emails)
18.35.59 #       <bluebrother> I'll think about that. But anyway, I'm going to grab some food first ;-)
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18.53.00 #       <Hansmaulwurf> my etymotic E4 just died
18.53.05 #       <Hansmaulwurf> well, the left one
18.56.51 #       <Hansmaulwurf> ah fine
18.56.55 #       <Hansmaulwurf> 2 years warranty
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20.04.03 #       <amiconn> Anyone else who got the forum announcement twice?
20.04.37 #       <petur> what announcement?
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20.04.48 #       <petur> hey, you got mine, give it back
20.05.21 #       <amiconn> "New announcement: Reporting Spam or Other 'Bad' Posts"
20.05.36 #       <amiconn> (from jeff AT misticriver DOT net)
20.06.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yup, it seems nearly every morning I have 5-8 reports of one spam message.
20.07.18 #       <amiconn> I mean I got the announcement mail twice? Anyone else too?
20.08.02 #       <amiconn> s/\?/\./
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20.08.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I didn't get the announcement mail.
20.08.54 #       <petur> just press delete twice ;)
20.09.49 #       <amiconn> So something might be wrong with the forum. I got the mail twice, and others didn't get it at all
20.10.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The only mails I ever get from the forums are notifications of PMs.
20.11.41 #       <amiconn> Identical text, but the time differs by 4 seconds, and the message id is also different
20.11.59 #       <amiconn> X-Mailer: SMF    I guess that's the forum soft
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20.12.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yup, Simply Machines Forums
20.13.04 #       <rasher> amiconn: When was it sent?
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20.13.24 #       <rasher> Maybe it isn't done mailing yet
20.13.29 #       <amiconn> Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:42:56 +0000
20.13.38 #       <rasher> Ah, well that's a while ago.
20.13.42 #       <amiconn> ..and another one 4 seconds later
20.15.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Is there an option to receive those announcements or not?
20.15.47 #       * Paul_The_Nerd can't seem to find if it's optional.
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20.17.17 #       <rasher> Gotta love bugreports on non-existant features
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20.18.13 #       <rasher> (some blackjack plugin)
20.18.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
20.18.48 #       <Hansmaulwurf> 1. april?
20.18.59 #       <rasher> No, just a clueless user
20.19.08 #       <rasher> there is a blackjack plugin, just not in Rockbox proper
20.19.23 #       <rasher> So it's just Somebody Else's Problem
20.20.31 #       <midgey34> woo pick me, thats me buggy plugin
20.20.37 #       <midgey34> s/me/my
20.20.52 #       <midgey34> I just noticed that error report
20.20.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What kept Blackjack from CVS inclusion?
20.21.05 #       <midgey34> I never submitted a patch
20.21.15 #       <rasher> Boo!
20.21.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, why not?
20.21.29 #       <midgey34> too many bugs IMO
20.21.36 #       <midgey34> I've gotten most of them fixed
20.21.42 #       <midgey34> except one major one
20.21.52 #       <rasher> More eyes will see it if it's committed
20.21.58 #       <midgey34> when thats fixed and the freeze is over, I'll submit
20.22.01 #       <rasher> And it's not like Rockbox is Bug Free
20.22.16 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i got no rockbox announcement mail
20.22.45 #       <rasher> You don't have to drop a Finished[tm] plugin in the patch, minor bugs should not stand in the way of inclusion imho (of course the freeze does, now)
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20.23.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, submitting it to the patch tracker doesn't stop you from being able to fix bugs, AND makes it easier for other people to play with it and find 'em before committing
20.23.45 #       <midgey34> call me stubborn, one bug was bothering me and I still havent gotten it fixed
20.24.00 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
20.24.02 #       <midgey34> if I can't fix it within a few days, I'll probably submit a patch
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20.25.15 #       <rasher> Paul_The_Nerd: Why is FS#5652 not marked as a patch though?
20.25.31 #       <rasher> Wait, are you darkkone?
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20.26.26 #       <rasher> You'd think a guy like JoeBorn would be able to keep himself connected.
20.26.36 #       <rasher> But you'd apparently be wrong.
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20.27.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> rasher: I'd originally changed is to feature request because I didn't notice the patch. I guess it should be "Patch" instead.
20.27.23 #       <rasher> I'll fix
20.27.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I fixed already
20.27.31 #       <rasher> hah
20.27.54 #       <rasher> I'll update the title, then!
20.28.02 #       <rasher> which was wrong
20.28.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I just very strongly feel that it's not a Bug if something doesn't work the way someone would like, but does work in following with the overall schema, even if it IS really annoying.
20.28.23 #       <rasher> I agree.
20.28.34 #       <rasher> It's at best a missing feature
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20.30.25 #       <linuxstb_> Paul_The_Nerd: Did you get chance to try and upgrade your Apple firmware?
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20.32.14 #       <rasher> I'm a bit stumped about this guy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5217.0
20.33.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb_: Let me do that right now.
20.33.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Does Rockbox give "installation incomplete" messages now?
20.34.18 #       <linuxstb_> I've never seen one, but then all my installations are complete...  Let me grep.
20.34.33 #       <obo> I think I've seen it in the sim if the .rockbox folder is missing?
20.34.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It used to be silent about missing .rockbox folders, until you got a codec failure.
20.34.38 #       <rasher> I've seen it.. ages ago
20.34.55 #       <rasher> maybe it was shut up
20.34.56 #       <PaulJam> i had theis message once when my filesystem got corrupted
20.35.03 #       <linuxstb_> Yes, it's in tree.c
20.35.48 #       * rasher notices he's a "Rockbox expert"
20.35.49 #       <linuxstb_> If .rockbox isn't found, firstly "No .rockbox directory" is splashed, and then "Installation incomplete"
20.36.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> rasher: I'd say you qualify.
20.36.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> At least. I don't know, do you have commit access?
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20.37.01 #       <rasher> I do, yes. Not that I've used it much
20.37.23 #       <rasher> Just hadn't noticed the logo.. I've been away for a good while
20.37.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well I should've set you as "Developer" then. I just wasn't sure, since you'd been away.
20.37.57 #       <rasher> I think developer is a stretch
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20.38.29 #       <rasher> I'm happy with the "Expert" label instead, or people will be expecting too much of me
20.38.37 #       <sharpe> heheh
20.38.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, Developer is more a way to recognize people with commit access. So, you're stuck with it. :-P
20.38.59 #       <rasher> That's okay then
20.39.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "Expert" is what we voted on instead of "Tech Support" ;)
20.39.58 #       <rasher> Ah, extracting to the _root_ of the drive.. good point (re the forum post)
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20.41.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Sometimes people think "root" means X:\root\
20.41.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Though arguably then it shouldn't be finding his rockbox.iriver
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20.41.20 #       <rasher_> gosh darn webclient
20.41.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
20.42.58 #       <obo> could someone with commit access cast an eye over 5551 for me please?
20.44.04 #       <rasher_> I'd say this qualifies for bug-fix..
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20.50.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Updating my iPod now.
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20.52.24 #       <rasher> Irssi is certainly less awful than the webclient.
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21.00.13 #       <rasher> obo: I'm looking at 5551 now. Am I right in thinking that the magick is the calc_scales you added? (I told you that "developer" was a stretch!)
21.00.37 #       <rasher> That is, the important part of the patch
21.01.04 #       <obo> yeah, pretty much, and then setting the x/y co-ords later on so they're relative to the screen size rather than hard coded
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21.02.51 #       <rasher> Thought so. Looks decent enough to my only slighty trained eyes, so I'll just test it and probably commit it and deal with the consequences.
21.03.26 #       <obo> heh, thanks :)
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21.05.20 #       <lamed> well then, take a l00k of my patches as well... 5587 and 5641 for instance....
21.05.22 #       <lamed> (rasher)
21.06.53 #       <petur> hahaha
21.06.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb_: There's definitely something strange, when I sync a song over with Nano 1.2 and Rockbox, that song isn't showing up in the Retail Firmware. As well, the patch I had that was loading Retail instead of the hardware disk mode doesn't seem to function properly anymore either.
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21.08.00 #       <linuxstb_> So I wonder if it's just bad luck or Apple being malicious?
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21.08.41 #       <rasher> The latter sounds unlikely, since they haven't made a fuss about IPL yet
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21.10.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It seems somewhat odd though, that Retail would only not show music if our bootloader were installed.
21.10.37 #       <rasher> True, that
21.10.43 #       <linuxstb_> I wonder why this hasn't been more widely reported - presumably no Rockbox users upgrade retailos?
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21.11.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or don't use it to play music?
21.11.44 #       <linuxstb_> What else can it do?
21.12.20 #       <linuxstb_> Is the emergency disk mode still slow?
21.13.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yup
21.13.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Still slow
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21.16.55 #       <linuxstb_> Paul_The_Nerd: Have you tried removing the bootloader to see if the music appears in retailos?
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21.17.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb_: Was just about to try that, I want to see if the VBR bug is gone too
21.18.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, just writing back the bootpartition.bin restored the presence of music
21.18.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Music synced over AFTER I installed Rockbox, btw.
21.19.56 #       <linuxstb_> Do you know if the firmwares for other ipods has been upgraded?
21.20.28 #       <rasher> obo: heh, the up/down keys are reversed on the h100 in the menu.. otherwise, looks fine
21.20.30 #       <amiconn> Paul_The_Nerd: Dunno about other devs, but I never played a single track in ipod retailos, for a very simple reason
21.20.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I believe it was an upgrade for 5G, Nano, and shuffle
21.20.51 #       <amiconn> ...I don't have itunes installed, and won't install it.
21.21.13 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: I've never upgraded the featil_os since installing rockbox.
21.21.14 #       <obo> rasher: weird - I didn't think I'd touched the menu code :)
21.21.18 #       <amiconn> And I don't need to upgrade retailos for the same reason, I removed it completely
21.21.28 #       <rasher> obo: maybe it was just strange in the first place
21.21.43 #       <amiconn> I prefer faster boot over a useless retail firmware
21.21.47 #       <earHertz> (Honeslty, I hardly play the sdamned thing anymore, I just seem to load various rockbox builds on it, test them, and then dump logf)
21.21.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> amiconn, earHertz: Only reason I'm using it here is at linuxstb's request. :)
21.22.04 #       * linuxstb_ hides
21.22.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They do seem to have fixed the VBR bug
21.22.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> At least, the problem song that's worked to test for it before didn't trigger it.
21.22.27 #       * amiconn didn't even know about a VBR bug
21.22.40 #       <earHertz> yeah, never heard of it
21.22.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> amiconn: I discovered its presence in the time between purchasing a Nano, and Rockbox having sound support
21.23.01 #       <linuxstb_> The retailos CPU scaling is too aggressive and skips if there is a spike in the bitrate in VBR MP3 files.
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21.23.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It apparently dates back to the 1G Mini at least.
21.23.25 #       <linuxstb_> (and they have a tiny PCM buffer IIUC)
21.24.44 #       <earHertz> the reail_os is encrypted, right?
21.24.54 #       <rasher> obo: looks like it's just plain wrong.. pushing up increases the "selected_setting" variable. Very odd..
21.25.37 #       <rasher> Can someone with an archos check if the vu_meter plugin menu works the wrong way round?
21.25.44 #       <linuxstb_> earHertz: No.  My understanding is that retailos is unencrypted, but the contents of the flash (as stored in the firmware partition) are.
21.26.47 #       <linuxstb_> This seems to be the opposite to the standard PortalPlayer scheme - where the bootloader is clear, and the firmware (.mi4) is encrypted.
21.27.00 #       <earHertz> linuxstb_: the flash is encrypted, but then what's not?
21.27.07 #       <earHertz> oh, the flqsh is teh bootloader??
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21.27.32 #       <earHertz> what prevents use from disaambling the retial firmware?
21.27.52 #       <linuxstb_> Yes, the bootloader and diagnostics mode code.  I believe it's the diagnostics mode code which was used by IPL for reverse-engineering.
21.28.19 #       <linuxstb_> earHertz: Nothing prevents us from disassembling retailos.
21.29.11 #       <earHertz> so we don't do it for lehgal reasons
21.30.02 #       <linuxstb_> No.  It's simply that no-one has bothered yet.
21.31.35 #       <linuxstb_> AFAIK, disassembly and reverse-engineering is legal, at least in Europe.
21.31.39 #       <earHertz> see, I don't want to do it, because then I might have legal barriers to writing code
21.33.03 #       <earHertz> But I'd really like someone to search for the lietral 320 or 640, as in mov rx, #320
21.33.22 #       <dionoea> hello
21.33.30 #       <dionoea> has anyone already ported zlib to rockbox ?
21.34.30 #       <linuxstb_> Not that I know of. The only code I know is some code to read uncompressed ZIP files.
21.34.56 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wonders why "Rockbox" always seems so difficult to spell for some people.
21.34.57 #       <dionoea> ok, i'll do that then.
21.35.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Do we need Zlib?
21.35.09 #       <dionoea> yeah
21.35.14 #       <dionoea> for png display
21.35.18 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: some of us cnat type
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21.35.27 #       <dionoea> and maybe some kind of light open document preview
21.35.39 #       <dionoea> like getting the text in a .odt
21.35.39 #       <rasher> Legal question: do I need to include sdl sources in my w32 simulator build sources?
21.35.49 #       <dionoea> rasher: yes
21.35.53 #       <rasher> I guess that's a stupid question, I do.
21.35.55 #       <rasher> I just realised.
21.36.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> earHertz: Typos are one thing. "roxbox" "roxcbox" "roxkbox" and various other variations aren't as simple. Especially "roxkbox" showing up twice in a theme. Maybe it's the theme's name or something
21.36.42 #       <rasher> Of course I do. But then, for the dll I include, or for the objects I link against?
21.36.45 #       <rasher> Or both..
21.36.50 #       <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: on american keyboards "x" is next to "c"
21.36.56 #       <rasher> (guess I could just keep those in sync, of course)
21.37.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> earHertz: Yes, it is, I have one. But usually that typo occurs once. Not both times. Maybe he was lazy and cut/paste.
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21.37.34 #       <floody> hello
21.37.41 #       <linuxstb_> rasher; Do you cross-compile your win32 SDL sims?
21.38.01 #       <rasher> obo: have you built your vu_meter for different targets? (and/or tested?)
21.38.03 #       <rasher> linuxstb_: aye
21.38.11 #       <rasher> Using a horrible hack
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21.38.28 #       <rasher> Or not really horrible as such, just a hand-modified makefile
21.38.43 #       <rasher> plus, I had to build sdl with mingw32-gcc
21.38.47 #       <dionoea> btw, any update concerning the 3.0 release date estimation ?
21.38.51 #       <rasher> But it seems to be working.
21.39.00 #       <obo> rasher: tested physically on a 5g - sim tested on a h300 and recorder, and target built for both those as well
21.39.09 #       <linuxstb_> Is building SDL straightforward?
21.39.42 #       <rasher> linuxstb_: afaik, pretty much.. I had to do one slight tweak of something afterwards though, but I figure if I can manage, so can you
21.39.51 #       <rasher> (and I can't remember what it was)
21.39.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dionoea: I don't think there will be a further release date estimation, so much as a "Oh, yeah, it's done" type statement at some point.
21.40.07 #       <rasher> And that afaik should be iirc
21.40.29 #       <dionoea> Paul_The_Nerd: any idea when that might happen ? are there many release critical bugs left ? other things to do ?
21.41.51 #       <linuxstb_> dionoea: I don't recall any discussion of the release recently.  But from what I can tell, voice seems the biggest issue left.
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21.42.09 #       <amiconn> Voice and playback
21.42.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yup, still voice and playback.
21.42.30 #       <dionoea> voice as in voice menus ?
21.42.40 #       * amiconn admits that he didn't use rockbox much on the swcodec units recently, for those exact reasons
21.42.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, and talk clips.
21.43.08 #       * amiconn still prefers any archos for solid, hassle-free playback
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21.43.47 #       <linuxstb_> I exclusively use swcodec now, and am very happy.  But I don't use voice at all.
21.43.58 #       * dionoea lost his archo recorder's usb cable :'(
21.44.00 #       <ForEveryHeart> rockbox is the program that will allow me to hear what music files i have on there correct? like it will say the name of them?
21.44.02 #       <XavierGr> also v2lang localization
21.44.18 #       <XavierGr> another matter is default font screens with non roman languages
21.44.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ForEveryHeart: It is necessary that you prepare .talk clips for the names of your files.
21.45.20 #       <ForEveryHeart> okay so would i need a microphone for that?
21.45.47 #       <rasher> ForEveryHeart: there are scripts to prepare the .talk clips using text-to-speech engines
21.46.03 #       <rasher> Which is probably more reasonable if you have more than 10 songs
21.46.19 #       <ForEveryHeart> okay
21.46.20 #       <ForEveryHeart> awesome
21.46.29 #       <ForEveryHeart> when will the wiki files be back online?
21.46.36 #       <rasher> The files are online, the pages are not
21.46.41 #       <rasher> (see topic)
21.46.50 #       <ForEveryHeart> okay
21.46.53 #       <ForEveryHeart> thanks alot guys
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21.50.39 #       <rasher> How is the ifp port doing these days?
21.52.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't think there have been updates, really.
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21.53.53 #       <afruff> What caused the site to go down? Was it internal or did someone hack it?
21.54.00 #       <rasher> The latter
21.54.21 #       <afruff> Why would someone do that?
21.54.42 #       <dionoea> good question
21.54.55 #       <afruff> Hackers wouldn't go about attacking open-source projects
21.55.15 #       <rasher> If they are using the server for spamming
21.55.28 #       <afruff> oh, the twiki spammers?
21.55.32 #       <rasher> yup
22.03.19 #       <rasher> obo: There are some whitespace-only changes in the file - did you notice that? Can't figure out what's causing them
22.04.09 #       <rasher> at least, not all of them
22.04.10 #       <rasher> oh well
22.04.11 #       <obo> ah, my editor likes to trim trailing spaces
22.04.24 #       <rasher> Probably that
22.04.46 #       <petur> that's ok, just add 'code policing' to the comment ;)
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22.07.23 #       <rasher> And of course now I forgot to mention the FS#
22.07.35 #       <cornchild> weeee the twiki
22.07.48 #       <cornchild> (ToT) thanks
22.08.45 #       <obo> thanks rasher
22.09.32 #       <cornchild> i got a question i hope is not stupid..
22.09.51 #       <cornchild> i installed rockbox on the nano but now i can access my music
22.10.04 #       <afruff> use tagcache
22.10.10 #       <cornchild> the music previus loaded with itunes
22.10.18 #       <afruff> see above
22.10.41 #       <afruff> go to genreal settings and turn ontagcache
22.10.46 #       <afruff> and hti force update
22.10.56 #       <afruff> hit*
22.11.07 #       <afruff> wait 3 minutes, restart iPod
22.11.14 #       <cornchild> *doingo*
22.11.15 #       <afruff> change view to tagcache
22.11.26 #       <cornchild> *come ipod ipod come*
22.11.37 #       <afruff> I assume your tags are in order sicne you used ituens to transfer files?
22.11.42 #       <cornchild> *there you are*
22.11.50 #       <cornchild> i asume so
22.11.52 #       <cornchild> lets see
22.12.50 #       <afruff> tagcahce is under playback
22.13.48 #       <cornchild> (thanks was looking for it)
22.14.30 #       <afruff> devs: you should move tagcache out of there
22.14.43 #       <cornchild> cant finfd ti.. tagcache on playback sniff i found it on File view
22.15.02 #       <afruff> one sec
22.15.06 #       <afruff> let me get my player
22.15.29 #       <cornchild> (i click on update now)
22.15.49 #       <afruff> general settings>playback>force tag cahce update
22.16.09 #       <afruff> that's right
22.16.17 #       <afruff> there's no confirmation that you did anything
22.16.28 #       <PaulJam> afruff: i think your rockbox version is quite old
22.16.29 #       <afruff> I eman, you did it correctly but it won't tell you that
22.16.50 #       <afruff> oh, lol
22.17.15 #       <afruff> I think it's form february
22.17.19 #       <afruff> from*
22.17.24 #       <afruff> how can I check?
22.17.32 #       <cornchild> ... i cant find that Force tag cache update on my rock
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22.18.04 #       <PaulJam> afruff: the version is shown in the credits plugin
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22.18.50 #       <afruff> I know, but it says 060513-1650
22.18.57 #       <afruff> that doesn't seem like a date to me
22.19.37 #       <afruff> cornchild, did you find anything that said update
22.19.37 #       <PaulJam> YYMMDD-hhmm i guess
22.19.56 #       <afruff> oh, I'm not used to that format
22.20.06 #       <afruff> my bad
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22.20.48 #       <afruff> cornchild, restart palyer
22.21.00 #       <afruff> it should say commiting tagcache after restarting
22.21.46 #       <cornchild> i have Tag cache> Auto Updating or Update Now...
22.21.48 #       <afruff> does tagcache have a wraning for erasing dynmaic playlist yet?
22.21.48 #       <PaulJam> i think it is called "initialize tagcache" now
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22.22.39 #       <afruff> does anybody have a mirror for the wiki?
22.22.45 #       <afruff> I don't care how old it is
22.22.57 #       <PaulJam> google cache
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22.23.41 #       <cornchild> (i press initialize now, should i wait? or researt already?_
22.23.42 #       <rasher> I wonder if it would be feasible to export a static version
22.23.56 #       <cornchild> lest wait
22.23.59 #       <afruff> http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ebRuPlSfT7MJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache%3Fskin%3Dprint+tagcache+site:www.rockbox.org&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2
22.24.16 #       <PaulJam> cornchild: wait until the disk stops spinning
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22.24.36 #       <afruff> yif you restart, then it'll just pick up where it left off
22.24.53 #       <afruff> but I don't think it will commit the newly scanned files
22.25.00 #       <afruff> (i.e. after restart)
22.26.46 #       <cornchild> ( i am using nano .. so who do i know when it stops?)
22.26.58 #       <cornchild> lests see
22.27.03 #       <rasher> when the disc activity iconi n the status bar stops
22.28.03 #       <cornchild> it shows just for a sec
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22.29.56 #       <afruff> if you restart, then it doesn't matter becuase it will jsut pick up where it left off
22.30.00 #       <afruff> no worries
22.30.05 #       <afruff> just restart and see
22.30.36 #       <cornchild> k
22.31.05 #       <cornchild> restarted.. so where it should be? on wich folder?
22.31.15 #       <cornchild> (sorry if i am being so stupid)
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22.31.51 #       <afruff> I want to upgrade my build. If I unzip my build file into the root, then will I lose any files(i.e. settings)?
22.32.12 #       <midkay> write a cfg first just in case..
22.32.15 #       <afruff> it's ok, since the wiki is down
22.32.18 #       <midkay> but actually no.
22.32.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You only lose your settings if the config version has changes
22.32.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> changed
22.32.34 #       <midkay> no new features have been put in since it's the freeze, so you're fine.
22.32.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: The config block has changed once or twice during freeze though.
22.32.59 #       <midkay> yeah, but i know it hasn't in the past, like, 2 weeks.
22.33.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Changing the options relating to TagCache for example
22.33.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> We've know his tagcache menu is out of date, so it probably will clear his settings
22.33.31 #       <midkay> it is?
22.33.39 #       <PaulJam> i think the config version was increased just yesterday, so save a config file
22.33.39 #       <afruff> yea, it's udner playback
22.33.56 #       <midkay> how old is that build? must be like a month then.
22.33.59 #       <afruff> 060513-1650
22.34.18 #       <afruff> about 2 motnhs
22.34.44 #       <afruff> I'm not really worried about losing settings, but losing my database
22.35.04 #       <midkay> your db is never erased by rockbox.
22.35.11 #       <afruff> thanks
22.35.18 #       <cornchild> sniff
22.35.21 #       <midkay> you can still avoid a settings reset, really, by writing a CFG file and reloading it after the update.
22.35.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But there are occasionally version changes of TagCache that have required a rebuild, right?
22.35.59 #       <afruff> there are several veryrecent tagcache changes
22.37.08 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, i don't believe that we've ever had an update that requires a rebuild.. i may be wrong, though.
22.37.24 #       <midkay> tagcache changes in general are fine.
22.37.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I've had a working tagcache that wasn't working after installing a new build, once, I think
22.38.03 #       <obo> cornchild: you need to change the file view to see your music - see the TagCache page afruff posted earlier
22.38.31 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, interesting.. never happened to me.. or hard to tell, since whenever I add music I have to re-update anyways.
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22.40.35 #       <afruff> dircache auto-updates right? becaus eit doesn't seem to do so for me.
22.40.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It only happened once, if I recall. The .tcd files were there, but it told me the tagcache was not ready. It was fairly early one though.
22.41.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff: Files you copy over don't show up in the file view?
22.41.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> When set to "all files"?
22.41.12 #       <afruff> no, in tagcache
22.41.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> TagCache is not DirCache...
22.41.53 #       <afruff> so the only way to make it autoupdate in tagacache is to store in RAM
22.42.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Also, you said you were using a 2 month out of date build. Does the auto-update in TagCache not work for you with a recent build?
22.42.15 #       <afruff> I havne't upgraded just yet
22.42.39 #       * midkay will bbi15-20
22.43.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, it's kinda pointless asking about bugs in a feature that has drastically changed.
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22.45.44 #       <afruff> I"m upgrading now
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22.48.17 #       <afruff> I upgaded and when attempting to load my .cfg file, it says "settings loaded" and it's stuck
22.49.00 #       <petur> it did reset settings, right?
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22.49.55 #       <afruff> restarting*
22.50.22 #       <afruff> yeah
22.50.43 #       <afruff> my old settings are back. yay
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22.53.13 #       <afruff> would turning usbotg power off on the X5 be allowed to be added during feature freeze?
22.55.05 #       <Bagder> I would say it can
22.55.33 #       <afruff> should I put this under bug reports or feature requests? : no warning when erasing dynamic playlist in tagcache
22.55.46 #       <rasher> I'd say that's a bug
22.56.00 #       <rasher> that is, if there's no warning hwen you have the "warn when.." on
22.56.10 #       <afruff> it's on
22.56.36 #       <linuxstb_> So it works in the file browser, but not tagcache?
22.56.51 #       <afruff> yeah
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22.58.33 #       <afruff> which can be a big pain if you have an X5 joystick and you accidentally press soemthing
22.58.33 #       <cornchild> sniff i cant access my music
22.58.33 #       <cornchild> sniff
22.58.33 #       <rasher> linuxstb_: To build crosscompile SDL, simply ./configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc (assuming you have mingw32 installed of course)
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22.58.33 #       <linuxstb_> Then it sounds like a bug.
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22.58.33 #       <rasher> linuxstb_: to crosscompile the sims, use the makefile I include in my sim builds (under .rockbox)
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22.58.40 #       <rasher> (edited with appropriate paths of course)
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22.58.50 #       <afruff> general settings> file view> tagcache> initialize now > force update >wait 3 minutes> restart > switch to ID3 databse view
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22.59.51 #       <cornchild> humm
23.00.01 #       <afruff> is that what you did?
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23.00.39 #       <afruff> did you forget to initialize?
23.00.53 #       <cornchild> the id3 step missing
23.01.05 #       <afruff> oh
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23.02.11 #       <afruff> that can be accessed via the quickscreen or general settings>file view>show files
23.02.20 #       <cornchild> where do i shitch to id3 database view :/
23.04.19 #       <afruff> answer: right above your last post
23.04.55 #       <cornchild> (i am offially stupid) (thanks for you patience)
23.05.15 #       <afruff> did it work?
23.05.18 #       <cornchild> ( i have become the tipical stupid user)
23.05.45 #       <cornchild> IT WORKED
23.05.50 #       <cornchild> CLAP CLAP CLAP
23.05.55 #       <cornchild> *STAND IN OVATION*
23.06.27 #       <cornchild> but now.. does not play the mp3 arghh
23.06.42 #       <afruff> is it an aac file downloaded off itunes?
23.06.54 #       <cornchild> it says unknow artis unknow album no file
23.07.03 #       <afruff> ituens music store*
23.07.10 #       <cornchild> nope they are just mp3 and some itunes podcasts
23.08.01 #       <afruff> I'm not sure how good normal aac support is, but mp3's should work
23.08.35 #       <cornchild> ...thanks afruff at least the music is there
23.09.27 #       <cornchild> good nick rockrockers
23.09.30 #       <cornchild> night
23.09.31 #       <afruff> you could bot into the original firmware
23.09.35 #       <afruff> boot*
23.10.02 #       <cornchild> sniff.. i know.. but rockbox is so sexy
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23.10.41 #       <midkay> afruff, "wait 3 minutes > restart".. should be "wait until it's done > restart". 3 minutes can be 2 minutes too long for someone with a few files or 20 minutes too short for someone with a lot of music on a specific device..
23.10.47 #       <midkay> bahness.
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23.19.07 #       <DANiMAL> could someone tell me please what the rockbox themes website is?
23.19.39 #       <midkay> rockbox-themes.org i believe.
23.19.57 #       <midkay> yeah.
23.20.08 #       <DANiMAL> thanks midkay
23.20.13 #       <midkay> np
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23.21.08 #       <DANiMAL> do you know of any others for the 5G ipod?
23.21.34 #       <Landus> I've got a question. Anyone alive?
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23.21.40 #       <Red-Sox> yo
23.21.50 #       <Red-Sox> can you put rockbox on an iPod in linux?
23.21.50 #       <Landus> Hello.
23.21.59 #       <midkay> DANiMAL, when the wiki gets back up the WpsGallery has more, i believe,
23.22.04 #       <Landus> With WINE, possibly.
23.22.05 #       <midkay> Red-Sox, sure.
23.22.13 #       <Landus> Unless the fwpatcher has a Linux port.
23.22.16 #       <midkay> there are linuxspecific instructions.
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23.22.35 #       <DANiMAL> sett thanks again midkay
23.22.38 #       <Red-Sox> midgey34: gweat
23.22.52 #       <Landus> I'll be getting my h320 in the mail sometime tomorrow.
23.22.53 #       <midkay> np
23.23.03 #       <Landus> I've been browsing the forums and seen some rather cool themes.
23.23.15 #       <Landus> But setting everything up seems a bit overwhelming.
23.23.16 #       <Red-Sox> Can you still sync the iPod with iTunes if you use rockbox?
23.23.16 #       <midkay> Red-Sox, here, try this.. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:psZ3sRNykBcJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot+IpodBoot&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a
23.23.20 #       <Landus> If I pop in here, can I get help?
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23.23.29 #       <Bagder> Landus: certainly
23.23.30 #       <Red-Sox> midkay: you da man, thanks
23.23.37 #       <midkay> yes, Red-Sox. rockbox is independent of the ipod firmware.
23.23.39 #       <midkay> np.
23.23.48 #       <Landus> Cool. Thanks.
23.23.53 #       <Red-Sox> Now, to compile stuff? Great...
23.24.05 #       <DANiMAL> and is there a way to create your own themes?
23.24.15 #       <Red-Sox> Okay...I'll just do it on windows...later
23.24.17 #       <midkay> Red-Sox, no, you don't have to.. one moment.
23.24.17 #       <DANiMAL> like is there a guide? im guessing its on the wiki
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23.24.57 #       <midkay> Red-Sox, hm.. http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki/IpodBoot/ has ipodpatcher..
23.25.13 #       <Red-Sox> Thanks!
23.25.25 #       <midkay> Red-Sox, maybe you do have to compile ipod_fw though if it tells you to..
23.25.31 #       <Bagder> DANiMAL: yes, and in the manual
23.25.56 #       <DANiMAL> thanks Bagder
23.25.57 #       <DANiMAL> o
23.26.04 #       <DANiMAL> i'll check out the manuel
23.26.10 #       <linuxstb_> Red-Sox: You want this page: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:vqUcGrK6UKAJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux%3Frev%3D1.7+ipodinstallationfromlinux&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
23.26.15 #       <Red-Sox> midgey34: I'll just do it in winblows
23.26.55 #       <linuxstb_> (the IpodBoot page is an old page, mainly of interest to developers)
23.26.57 #       <Red-Sox> linuxstb: where do I type gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c
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23.27.12 #       <Red-Sox> UGH I need to stop typing midgey34 and start typing midkay. :)
23.27.18 #       <linuxstb_> In the directory you've downloaded ipod_fw.c from
23.27.26 #       <linuxstb_> downloaded to...
23.27.27 #       <midkay> linuxstb, interesting, i've never seen IpodInstallationFromLinux before. is it recent?
23.27.33 #       <linuxstb_> No.
23.27.39 #       <midkay> hm.
23.27.48 #       <linuxstb_> Although it did come later than the Windows and Mac pages.
23.27.52 #       <midkay> i remember the linux install instructions used to be in IpodBoot..
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23.30.06 #       <Landus> http://tinyurl.com/jds8l
23.30.24 #       <Landus> Archived copy of the Twiki from March 30th last year.
23.30.51 #       <midkay> oldness..
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23.33.14 #       <Landus> Yeah, but until the Twiki is back up, there's a few things in there that might be found to be helpful.
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23.36.56 #       <Red-Sox> Okay, so what do I do on windows
23.37.12 #       <midkay> http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:60MpDoB_mgkJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation%3Fsortcol%3D4%26table%3D1%26up%3D0+IpodInstallation&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a
23.38.16 #       <midkay> there are also instructions in the manual.
23.38.23 #       <Red-Sox> tanx
23.38.36 #       <midkay> sure.
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23.41.14 #       <neighbors> Hi, I installed rockbox on my iaudio x5 last night and my main menu is missing some things
23.41.19 #       <neighbors> like general setting, and themes
23.41.30 #       <neighbors> Does anybody know what I might have done wrong?
23.43.00 #       <midkay> no, because the menu is, well, embedded into the rockbox installation..
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23.43.17 #       <midkay> using english language?
23.43.30 #       <neighbors> yeah, although I never explicitly set a language
23.43.45 #       <midkay> hmm. did you try reinstalling it?
23.43.52 #       <midkay> someone else reported this last night, was it you?
23.43.57 #       <neighbors> yeah
23.44.00 #       <linuxstb_> What button do you press to bring up the menu?
23.44.10 #       <neighbors> I hold down the main button
23.44.12 #       <neighbors> I don't know what it's called
23.44.23 #       <neighbors> I press and hold the thing that can go left right up down
23.44.35 #       <midkay> ah, the context menu..
23.44.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Try just *tapping* it rather than holding it.
23.45.00 #       <midkay> that probably selects a file.. dunno what x5's menu key is.
23.45.18 #       <neighbors> I have to be playing a song to get to the main menu
23.45.23 #       <neighbors> or it does select a file
23.45.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah
23.45.33 #       <Bagder> tried the manual?
23.45.34 #       <midkay> there's another key that should open the menu..
23.45.37 #       <linuxstb_> The REC button brings up the main menu from the file browser.
23.45.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I was thinking quick-menu not context-menu
23.45.40 #       <neighbors> Yeah, I followed the manual
23.45.47 #       <neighbors> It's missing the section for installing the bootloader
23.45.56 #       <neighbors> But Paul helped me with that last night
23.46.11 #       <neighbors> Other than that I followed the manual instructions
23.46.27 #       <Bagder> I was thinking about the key to use to bring the menu
23.46.48 #       <neighbors> The manual said to hold the play button
23.46.50 #       <neighbors> but that doesn't work
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23.47.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> neighbors: As linuxstb_ said, apparently it's the record key that brings up the menu. The menu shouldn't say to HOLD anything.
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23.47.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not for the main menu
23.48.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Odd
23.48.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It does
23.48.15 #       <neighbors> Ah, that did it, thanks linuxstb
23.48.25 #       <neighbors> If I hit the record button from the file manager I get to the main menu
23.48.31 #       <neighbors> And it has those entries
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23.48.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Any manual people around who can fix that?
23.48.58 #       <Bagder> me fix
23.49.05 #       <neighbors> I must have been in the file menu before
23.49.16 #       <neighbors> The manual actually does say hitting record enters the Main Menu
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23.49.39 #       <neighbors> At least in 2.2.1
23.50.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But the first place it mentions the main menu, it says to hold the play button.
23.50.20 #       <neighbors> Yeah, I know I saw that somewhere
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23.50.24 #       <Bagder> nah
23.50.29 #       <Bagder> get a newer manual ;-)
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23.51.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
23.52.25 #       <neighbors> It's section 3.1 that says it
23.52.38 #       <neighbors> paragraph 2
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23.57.24 #       * S0ap reads rumors of a c64emu in the chat logs and runs off to search.
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23.58.26 #       <linuxstb_> S0ap: I don't think the code was published...
23.58.30 #       <EbErT> is there a reason why dualboot can't boot to apple software on ipods without pluging it in?
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23.58.51 #       <linuxstb_> huh?
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23.58.55 #       <EbErT> or is it not possible for some reason