--- Log for 19.07.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.36 # I'm fiddeling with some ideas on preference based song selection where you can bias songs based on filters so that some (for example genre=metal) are more likely to be played more often than others. but for what I'm trying now I'd need at least two ints for each entry in the current playlist (so potentially as many as the maximum amount of songs) 00.02.53 # I don't know the playlist code at all, so can't really help... 00.03.18 # On a completely unrelated note, I now have conclusive evidence that our control scheme is more intuitive than Apples (yes, I know there's no such thing as conclusive evidence of intuitiveness): My mother purchased an iPod today, and while watching her try to navigate it for the first time, she continually tried to press left and right for navigating into and out of menus, and tried to press menu a few times to get to the actu 00.03.46 # :) That's conclusive then - proof by Paul's mother. 00.03.50 Quit obo ("bye") 00.04.02 # hey goffa 00.04.09 # if there was a lot more after "get to the actu" we missed something 00.04.10 # in general, how do you like he x5 00.04.11 # She's never handled an MP3 player before in her life, so any preconceived notions were from other types of stuff. 00.04.27 # Mikachu: actual options. 00.04.44 # Sorry, I always forget there's a length limit. 00.04.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: now erase her memory and give her a rockboxed ipod. 00.05.27 # Hahaha 00.05.28 # right now I'm not even touching the playlist (or for that matter any rockbox) code. I'm just making standalone win32 tests, but I'd like to avoid doing stuff that can't later be ported to rockbox. 00.06.01 # A_M: Well, are you looking at it from the angle of playlist generation or what? 00.10.48 # What are the two ints per entry for right now? 00.11.59 # initially I was just thinking of playlist generation but now I'm leaning more towards wanting to make things work on-the-fly, like a smart-list format that could be used for playback instead of traditional playlists 00.12.15 # how can I position that tag: %pv 00.12.26 # I want it like 5 pixels more right 00.12.32 # more to the right 00.12.34 # put a space before 00.12.49 # just a normal space, like press the key in the wps file? 00.13.08 # A_M: That sounds like it should be integrated with tagcache. 00.13.46 # Mikachu how do you put space? 00.13.53 # like this 00.14.07 # so I was right :P 00.14.38 # goffa - u there? 00.15.02 Quit ender` (" Being a Web 2.0 system, the CMS used JavaScript that dynamically loaded JavaScript that dynamically loaded XML that was dynam") 00.15.09 # Yeah it works :D 00.15.10 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.15.12 # Juxt: now i am 00.15.15 # just got home 00.15.24 # that was quick 00.15.29 # telecommuter 00.15.29 # ? 00.15.35 # Mikachu what about 5 pixels up? 00.15.42 # do you have the remote for your x5 ? 00.15.42 # can't help there 00.15.45 # nah.. live in a small town 00.15.46 # put it on the upper line or what? 00.15.47 # what is %pv? 00.15.51 # 2 mins from work :) 00.15.53 # volume 00.15.57 # Percent Volume? 00.15.59 # the ints are one for bias and one for the position of each song in a playlist or tagcache or whatever (was planning to reuse playlist or tagcache for the actual list of files to select from). so yeah just the one int might be strictly necessary if I altered the playlist or tagcache code... 00.16.04 # Current volume. 00.16.11 # dB 00.16.12 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.16.13 # running screen from home so i don't actually log out of the chat 00.16.21 # if it's just text you can't position it pixelwise 00.16.40 # i don't have a remote for the x5 00.16.40 # A_M: Instead of changing the internal playlist format, why not just use the weighting to generate the playlist? 00.16.48 # 10x again :) 00.17.11 # ever seen one? just wondering because you can get a decent deal on one if you buy the player and remote from cowan at the same time 00.17.17 # Hpw many pictures can I put for %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10> 00.17.20 # is 10 max? 00.17.23 # If they want 100 songs, with Metal weighted at heaviest, then Hard Rock, then Rock, then when it randomly picks songs to put in the playlist, it picks random numbers of each genre, with the remainder going to the lowest weighted? 00.17.32 # i think you can position the bitmaps though 00.17.37 # in the line that loads the actual file 00.17.39 # fot bitmaps I know how 00.17.45 # i haven't seen one 00.17.51 # havent felt the need 00.17.57 # but how many bitmaps can you put for %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10> 00.17.59 # if it was wireless i'd probably do it 00.18.15 # i've got the radio transmitter/charger 00.18.19 # that's worth it 00.18.29 # although.. don't use the charger while using aux in 00.18.37 # both in 1 devicve ? 00.18.42 # yeah 00.18.47 # hmm 00.19.01 # CYPER^: 0 to10 makes 11 bitmaps 00.19.01 # for the car right ? 00.19.08 # if you use charger with aux in you'll hear a hum.. yeah for the car 00.19.16 # over the radio hum is inaudible 00.19.24 # but then songs are going over the radio :) 00.19.29 # pixelma does this mean that 11 is the max number? 00.19.35 Part Paul_The_Nerd 00.19.51 # what will happen if: %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|> 00.20.15 # i've found it to be very handy though 00.20.21 Quit adiamas ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 00.20.42 # yeah sounds like a good device 00.20.55 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 00.21.07 # i like the build quality of the x5 too 00.21.21 # yeah i have heard its very solid 00.21.22 # built with steel.. although... gets hot if you leave it in the sun 00.21.24 # CYPER^: I tried that once... it ignores the ones after position 10 00.21.43 # i hide from the sun 00.21.52 # i do too now :) 00.22.16 # one day i wasn't thinking and just about got the iaudio logo branded into my hand :) 00.22.22 # 10x pixelma - you saved me some time :) 00.22.26 # wow this is one helluva deal - $179 for a widescreen lcd - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824252002 00.23.34 # yeah.. the floor has dropped out fo the lcd market 00.23.46 # 19's are going for under $200 a lot 00.24.05 # first widescrren i have seen that low 00.24.29 # yeah 00.24.39 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.25.40 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 00.25.53 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, that was the original plan. but then I started thinking about what would happen if I allow songs to appear more than once. 00.25.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: if I dont allow songs to appear more than once then after a while of playback you're left with just the leftovers (low-weighted songs). 00.26.02 # Paul_The_Nerd: but if I do allow high-weighted songs to appear more than once and yet always want all files to have at least a slim chance of getting 00.26.06 # Paul_The_Nerd: chosen for playback then you'd need the generated playlist to be longer than the list of files you choose from. 00.27.19 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.28.02 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 00.30.11 # Paul_The_Nerd: additionally, if you may in the future also want to do weighting on things that may be altered in run-time, like rating, or how long ago a song was playing or so. it would be better if you could just change the weighting for this song when this info is altered without having to regenerate the entire list. 00.31.05 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.31.46 Quit bluebrother ("no more manual today") 00.35.34 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.39.12 Join KylePV [0] (n=c9ee672f@labb.contactor.se) 00.42.28 Quit Juxt (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 00.43.03 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEEB71.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.44.40 Quit synfx ("people do") 00.46.06 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 00.49.42 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-124-247.dsl.pipex.com) 00.50.07 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 00.50.57 Join RaeNye [0] (n=c7cb43c9@labb.contactor.se) 00.51.15 # Hya 00.52.20 Quit Mmmm (Client Quit) 00.52.25 Nick Rondom is now known as Sie (n=Rondom@p54AEEB71.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.52.36 # hi RaeNye 00.52.47 # how's the x5 work comin? 00.53.10 Nick Sie is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@p54AEEB71.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.53.37 # I got the debian colinux set 00.54.07 Part cs_weasel 00.54.10 # finally I saw how the UI sim *looks like* 00.54.14 # cool 00.55.00 # now I'm resyncing my patches and doing the test compiles linus wanted 00.55.28 # going to be nice to have that stuff working 00.55.48 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC") 00.58.30 # yeah... too bad my own X5 isn't :( 00.58.45 # what happened to yours anyway? 00.58.56 # i had to send my h140 in today 00.59.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.59.34 # doesn't respond anymore. No idea why. 00.59.49 # i suppose warranty is up? 01.00.16 # they were good when my screen broke 01.00.37 # Two days ago it did the same thing and after 30 mins of tampering with it, suddenly it behaved normally. Then yesterday it died again. 01.00.55 # Yeah, it's only 3 months old. I'll prolly go to the store tomorrw 01.01.19 # yeah... good idea 01.02.25 Quit A_M ("CGI:IRC") 01.02.47 # The weird thing is that when I try to pull the power switch, rarely it does a small backlight flicker. But save that, it doesn't respond to anything (AC, USB, reset, ...) 01.03.16 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 01.03.18 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 01.03.33 # odd 01.04.01 # hya linuxstb 01.05.02 # goffa_: are you using a real IRC client or the webthingy? 01.06.02 # RaeNye, your X5 kicked the can? 01.07.02 # irssi to be specific 01.07.02 Quit KylePV ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.07.52 # why? 01.08.00 # bs: seems so 01.08.08 # that sucks :( 01.08.15 # I'm on the webthing, and it lags miserably 01.08.21 # ah 01.08.51 # yeah.. i had some pretty nasty lag at work.. but that's work's fault :) 01.08.54 # I know... but it's under warranty and I have backup for everything on it, so no major loss occured. 01.09.36 # what about the presence of rockbox? 01.09.37 # lol 01.09.43 # is irssi for windows or linux? I only used mirc (but that was AGES ago) 01.09.50 # linux 01.09.50 # irssi is for linux 01.09.59 # or cygwin maybe 01.10.07 # um.. i think there's a windows xchat client if you are on there 01.10.15 # yeahy 01.10.17 # im running it 01.10.34 # www.silverex.org 01.10.42 # bs: I'd eliminate it if I could, but as long as they're not inspecting the HDD they won't find out because of the dual-bootloader :-)) 01.10.48 # hehehe 01.10.58 # the silverex build kept crashing for me :) 01.10.59 # dual boot rocks... 01.11.13 # does 2.10-k support file transfer over the USBOTG port? 01.11.19 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 01.11.26 # nice ke4nt 01.11.26 # I have both, but the main is windows 01.12.09 # yeah. USBOTG is the main reason for dualbooting anyway 01.12.10 # ive got some old as heck build 01.12.18 # me too 01.12.20 Nick Rondom is now known as Erk (n=Rondom@p54AEEB71.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.12.25 # Rae, i meant as USB slave 01.12.32 # cause don't some 2.10-? builds support it? 01.12.32 Nick Erk is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@p54AEEB71.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.12.33 # ever since musepack got support under rockbox 01.12.40 # (eliminating the subpack to some extent?) 01.13.09 # ah, yup 01.13.11 # it does :D 01.13.23 # just have to boot it as stock firmware 01.13.27 # then it's connection-aware 01.13.36 # hmm.. I'm not sure. I know it works with 2.10-e which is 2.10-k without DRM, but.. 01.13.58 # Yeah, USBOTG is not able to wake up the device anyway 01.14.05 # yeah 01.14.10 # hmm 01.14.26 # bbl.. going to swim 01.14.27 # yeah, it shows up as UMS 01.14.28 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 01.14.33 # wonder if itll also do MTP... 01.14.48 # btw, if you lshw it, you can see differences between the USB id stuff between subpack and otg 01.15.02 # I managed to MTP with my camera 01.15.06 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 01.15.11 # bye goffa 01.15.30 # i wish it'd connect to my camera :( 01.15.45 # what is better than discussing difficult rockbox situations over lunch? 01.15.50 # which one you have? I got Canon A85 01.15.56 # canon A610 01.16.01 # having sex, obviously 01.16.13 # no, discussing them over a fancy dinner! 01.16.15 # or.. 01.16.17 # you might be right. 01.16.18 # developing rockbox over lunch! 01.16.25 # you're right RaeNye 01.16.47 # :) 01.17.04 # argh, i hate AA batteries 01.17.09 # i should just get some rechargables 01.17.15 # (or, indeed, many many rechargables) 01.17.21 # -AA and i agree. 01.17.49 # i fear the battery in my ipod more than i fear death. 01.18.12 # well.. i fear the day it'll stop working. 01.18.25 # hehe 01.18.31 # i hope the one in my X5L never dies 01.18.34 # or at least not for a while 01.18.37 # * BloodySorcerer crosses his fingers 01.18.53 # I got some rechargeables for the wireless mouse. It eats power. 01.19.10 # hmm 01.19.11 # i just realized 01.19.12 # yeah, electronics do that. 01.19.16 # BS: actually replacing the X5L battery is almost painless 01.19.17 # i dunno how to use USBOTG on the stock firmware. 01.19.24 # are there replacement batteries? 01.19.26 # :) 01.19.45 # and i just realized that rockbox style controls do not work in the OF 01.19.46 # :D 01.19.56 # you have there one small soldered one and a big one with a mini-connector. 01.20.00 # sharpe: :) 01.21.11 # yayayay 01.21.18 # USBOTG works on my camera now! 01.21.19 # woooooooo 01.21.36 # now lets see if i can view the image in rockbox... 01.21.39 # congrats 01.21.46 # w00t! 01.21.47 # :D 01.22.10 # we need USBOTG implemented on rockbox 01.22.14 # then remote camera control :D 01.22.21 # it didn't work with the 2.07-e version for me either. 01.22.30 # :)) 01.22.34 # :) 01.22.40 # -we need+i want. 01.22.40 # :p 01.22.41 # it didnt work in my old OF so i wasnt too hopeful 01.22.45 # :) 01.22.57 # qwm, that *should* be the same thing :D 01.23.18 # * BloodySorcerer just realized that he has no value to the rockbox project as anything but an obnoxious user 01.23.19 # :D 01.23.21 # Actually I've been researching USBOTG OF code. I might be able to detect connection ** if I had a X5 to try this on ** 01.23.23 Quit Kohlriba ("Quit") 01.23.31 # hehe 01.23.41 # i'd love to do dev for rockbox, but im afraid of doing pretty much anything 01.23.46 # out of fear of the dreaded brick 01.23.46 # hehe. 01.23.53 # and my general non-knowledge of compiling in linux 01.24.17 # so do high-level code (the kind you can test thoroughly on UI simulator) 01.24.28 # i dont know where to start 01.24.45 # i'd write a plugin for the "hello world" experience, but the guide is vague and i dunno what im doing in general 01.24.47 # you know C 01.24.48 # ? 01.24.50 # yeah 01.25.16 # you compiled CVS alright? 01.25.46 # you are able to compile patched builds (maybe even resync when necessary)? 01.25.52 # yeah 01.26.31 # what doesn't work with the hello world plugin? 01.26.46 # nothing, except the lack of one :) 01.26.52 # there is one... 01.26.57 # *goes to site* 01.27.15 # last time i checked, it was still in the source. 01.27.32 # * BloodySorcerer checks his source 01.27.34 # maybe it's not in SOURCES 01.27.36 # it just isn't set to build along with rockbox. (not included in the SOURCES file) 01.28.02 # ah, yup. 01.28.04 # there it is 01.28.47 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 01.32.53 # so it'll compile stuff in the SOURCES file? 01.33.15 # so if i were to add "helloworld.c" to the SOURCES file under plugins common to all models it'd build it for any model/sim? 01.33.25 # exactly 01.33.26 # yes, just add the helloworld.c to the file. 01.33.30 # ooki 01.34.43 Quit Poka64 ("time to die, time to live") 01.34.50 # how can i add an audio input on my ipod? :] 01.35.21 # you mean record? 01.35.37 # well yeah that's the idea 01.35.43 # (when rockbox supports that) 01.36.07 # but i'm wondering if an adapter is available to buy 01.36.10 # it's just not supported on ipods yet. i believe linuxstb is working on it... 01.36.17 # yeah he is 01.36.22 # do ipods have line in or anything? 01.36.24 # the ipods (as far as i know) all record through the headphone jack 01.36.25 # See http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector 01.36.29 # i think they've a line in... 01.36.29 # ah 01.36.58 # i think 5g ipods will go through the usb connector? 01.37.18 # dock connector 01.39.58 # Yes, the official recording accessories for the 5g all seem to plug into the dock connector. 01.40.49 # recording accessories? where?! 01.40.57 # just a guess, apple.com? 01.41.01 # :) 01.41.28 # yay!! 01.41.32 # hellworld plugin built and runs 01.41.33 # :D 01.41.34 # i assumed it was a hack 01.41.45 # more people would know about it otherwise :p 01.42.05 # i've never heard of anyone recording onto their ipod 01.42.17 # Google for italk... 01.42.19 # bs:cool. 01.42.49 # now do something more difficult :-P 01.43.00 # :) 01.43.07 # first i have to think of something to do 01.43.41 # yeah, you run out of ideas quickly. 01.43.53 # and then i have to figure out why its compiling soooo slowly 01.43.54 # :) 01.44.08 # using cygwin are ye? 01.44.12 # yeah 01.44.15 # that'd be why. 01.44.28 # I never run out idea, just of coding time 01.44.30 # s 01.44.37 # but the sim compiled significantly slower than the normal firmware... 01.44.39 # * BloodySorcerer shrugs 01.44.46 # time to tinker with things i suppose 01.45.36 # x86 is a more complicated processor, so optimization is harder 01.45.42 # oh 01.45.50 # something about that just feels ironic 01.46.36 # optimization FOR it, not BY it 01.46.52 # yeah 01.47.06 # anyone wants to commit FS #5681? it's a no-brainer 01.48.42 # * RaeNye wonders when he will get commit access 01.49.08 # way before i do. :) 01.49.25 # just be nice to LinusN/Bagder/Zagor :) 01.49.49 # * petur wanted to mention something about beer too :D 01.50.25 # * RaeNye bribes with more expensive alcohol 01.50.42 Quit ke4nt ("Leaving") 01.51.17 # that patch just maps the ESC key to POWER 01.51.45 # i couldn't tell that at all... :) 01.51.49 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.52.25 # I know. that's why no programming experience is needed to commit it :) 01.52.35 # sorry, I'm still 5 degrees celcius above my limit for thinking 01.52.50 # * petur longs for winter 01.53.02 # gee. that's nine degrees fahrenheit. ahah... 01.53.08 # where are you from? 01.53.15 # Belgium 01.53.33 # and what's the temp around there? 01.53.47 # it's still 30 degrees celcius right now (1:53 AM) 01.54.14 # how's the humidity? 01.54.28 # no idea 01.54.35 # its humid and hot as heck here. 01.54.37 # * linuxstb is looking forward to 36°C in London tomorrow... 01.54.44 # which almost passes as a heck of a lot of alliteration 01.55.23 # here (Tel Aviv) we have ~35 with 90% humidity from May to October. I'm used to the heat :) 01.55.33 # @_@ 01.56.24 # yuck.... 01.56.52 # nevermind, weather here is loverly compared to that :) 01.56.58 # * BloodySorcerer folds 01.57.45 # lol. That's not so bad as you may think. We mostly stay in well cooled buildings :) 01.58.08 # Air conditioning is everywhere 01.58.25 # 33°C for me right now... 01.58.52 # * BloodySorcerer is quickly remembering why he usually doesn't code in C 01.59.28 # suppose to be 34 tomorrow... 01.59.59 # RaeNye: commit coming up ;) 02.00.20 # gah, i never spot things like that. 02.00.38 # 10x 02.01.06 # bs: what's your lang? 02.01.24 # Mine's Python 02.01.30 # i started on java 02.01.39 # so naturally i'm used to lazy coding :) 02.01.47 # transitioned halfway decently to C++ 02.02.07 # * petur spots TAB's in the patched code just before commit 02.02.21 # dun dun dun dunnnn 02.02.22 # oh no!! 02.02.38 # !? 02.02.43 # @~!? 02.03.15 # RaeNye: how could you use tabs?! 02.03.19 # I don't do tabs. They're evil. You could blame me for 2 spaces instead of four, though. 02.03.52 # weird. there were two tabs in front of the break statement 02.04.20 # maybe vi put them there? 02.04.22 # * BloodySorcerer twiddles thumbs and waits for cygwin to compile 02.04.46 # It's a new dev-env, afterall 02.05.25 # is there an option to tell vi never to do this blasphemy again? 02.05.46 # slap it and use something else? 02.05.46 # :) 02.07.41 # juxtap: This is one of the official line-in/microphone adapters for the 5g: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1989254,00.asp 02.07.56 # I _think_ it's just become available in stores in the last week or so. 02.08.19 # vi is obligatory for less-than-7-lines long changes 02.08.20 # whats the flag to pass to the sim to show the player body and buttons? 02.08.30 # --background 02.08.41 # ah, better 02.08.41 # thanks 02.09.11 # BTW, the first thing i do with sim build is to cancel the "first key only lights backlight" thing 02.16.23 Join Juxt [0] (i=Juxt@216-15-115-65.c3-0.bkl-ubr2.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com) 02.21.38 # duh... h300 doesn't have power button :/ 02.22.06 # One thing I can't understand: How can I place %bt wherever I want? 02.22.23 # or any other similar tag 02.24.21 # ? 02.24.43 # I'm editing one wps 02.24.44 # petur: it's wrapped in a #ifdef 02.25.01 # and don't know how to place it 02.25.04 # so I can see it 02.25.29 # RaeNye: I know, it's no bug, just wanted to test it and build the wrong target ;) 02.26.21 # CYPER^: you just *put* it somewhere. WPs' are line-based so whatever line you put it on it'll appear. things appear just one-after-the-other on each line. check the alignment tags too.. 02.27.11 # CYPER^: did you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS ? 02.27.39 # what I'm trying to do is add "battery left" info to the SimpleHelv wps 02.27.43 # can you help please? 02.27.59 # I want to put it in the upper left corner next to the battery icon 02.28.16 Join BigMac [0] (n=dummeska@64-252-105-254.adsl.snet.net) 02.28.17 # pixelma I've been reading it for 5 hours 02.28.29 # there aren't that many words on it... 02.28.50 # I know, but it's difficult to understand 02.29.03 # just experiment on a sim build 02.29.06 # ooh, understanding it for five hours. okay. 02.29.20 # in one wps file there are like 50 lines 02.29.48 # that for the battery icon: %?bp<%xdF|%?bl<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE>> 02.30.01 # I change it to: %bt %?bp<%xdF|%?bl<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE>> 02.30.06 # didn't show up 02.30.17 # or %?bp<%xdF|%?bl<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE>> %bt 02.30.38 # If the only thing in the WPS is %bt, does it work? 02.31.02 # I haven't tried. What's the point? 02.31.16 # sanity check 02.31.23 # :) 02.31.38 # :) 02.31.47 # anybody willing to help? 02.31.48 # CYPER^: you have to put it on the line above the one with the playlist info (probably blank ATM) 02.32.05 # no, really. If it doesn't work *alone* then something's wrong 02.32.34 # like... insanely wrong. 02.32.36 # I havent tried 02.33.07 # ok see 02.33.08 # http://cyper-bg.com/SimpleHelv.wps 02.33.24 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-74-29-231.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 02.33.26 # see the part Battery 02.35.14 # RaeNye: I've build an x5 sim but pressing the ESC key doesn't really do much. Shouldn't a power button shut down or something? 02.35.16 # ah no I guess it doesn't work this way - on this line a progress bar is defined that hass to be on its own line... 02.35.23 # *has 02.35.31 # no, it's for exiting plugins, etc. 02.35.47 # couldn't do it any other way 02.36.23 # it's like a short POWER press 02.36.26 # pixelma any other solution then? 02.36.26 # ah, ok that seems to work 02.36.32 # CYPER^: bitmaps work because they are placed by giving positions 02.36.43 # * RaeNye has hidden the bug well :) 02.36.57 # I know that, but do you do with just plain tags 02.37.03 # how do you position them? 02.37.55 # if you want to keep the progress bar... I have no solution for this 02.38.39 # too bad for me :( 02.38.46 # I can't even build my own theme :( 02.39.04 # all I want is dynamic battery icon + time left 02.39.40 # as midkay said: put it on the line you want and use align tags 02.40.11 # midkay?! 02.40.17 # sharpe?! 02.40.30 # i haven't seen you in years! how've you been?! 02.40.57 # but how do i understand which line in the wps file corresponds to which line on the ipod 02.41.29 # i was great until you started talking to me. 02.41.38 # ... 02.41.57 # CYPER^: not only are you supposed to check the lines for the tags to see what's what, but you have *comments* all over that WPS - that's rare. 02.42.37 # I surrended :( 02.42.41 # surrender 02.45.31 # CYPER^: very hard to explain in just a few words... maybe you can study different wps codes to understand how it works (just a suggestion) 02.47.13 # it's not like you're ordering him to anyway. 02.48.28 # thanks sharpe :) 02.48.38 # hey, it's what i'm here for. 02.48.46 # :) 02.48.48 # and the SimpleHelv isn't a good start maybe because of all the comment lines 02.49.29 # that's the 3rd wps I'm trying to reconstruct 02.49.42 # at the end I just can't make it work 02.50.12 # is there a web site where I can download some other themes 02.50.28 # http://rockbox-themes.org I checked it 02.50.29 # CYPER^: maybe you can take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking if you want to write one yourself.. 02.50.50 # actually I was lookint at this 02.50.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 02.51.18 # yeah, but you may understand that one better... just a thought... 02.52.08 # tomorrow maybe - it's too late now to think :) 02.52.45 # I assume you checked the wps gallery? 02.52.54 # yes 02.52.58 # 10x petur. My next patch to commit is the X5 contrast & brightness. This one has no tabs, I just checked. 02.53.17 # and about SimpleHev - I added that %bt on 3 different places, but nothing extra shows on the screen 02.53.23 # strange 02.54.00 # RaeNye: sorry, I'm off to bed soon and anyway, I don't commit if I can't test... 02.54.28 # np, I prefer to let all devs enjoy my patches :) 02.55.25 # sweet dreams. 02.56.08 # good night everybody :) 02.56.13 # thanks for the support :) 02.56.19 # g'night 02.56.19 # bye 02.56.25 # night 02.56.28 Quit CYPER^ () 02.58.33 Quit petur ("Zzzzzzz") 02.59.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.04.48 Join Phixious [0] (n=d5d59037@labb.contactor.se) 03.05.08 # I'll be off to bed as well. G'night all! 03.05.19 # 'night. 03.05.52 # * RaeNye snaps his finger 03.05.56 Quit RaeNye ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 03.06.22 Quit Phixious (Client Quit) 03.13.52 Part pixelma 03.17.01 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 03.21.29 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 03.21.35 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEEBA0.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.25.58 Join cal_rifken [0] (n=email@c-71-229-197-101.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 03.26.04 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Mike Tyson says BitchX BITES! Do you HEAR what I'm saying?!") 03.27.07 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 03.30.35 Join JdGordon|uni [0] (n=82c20d66@labb.contactor.se) 03.32.25 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 03.35.24 Quit JdGordon|uni ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.35.39 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 03.41.53 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 03.43.58 Quit kidd3ckz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.46.01 Quit Juxt (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 03.47.53 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 03.48.38 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.49.04 Quit TeaSeaLancs ("Leaving") 03.52.04 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-64-123-189-117.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.55.32 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.36.33 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 04.37.38 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 04.49.00 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.49.07 # heh.. everyone must be burnt out 04.49.11 # awfully dead in here 04.49.55 # there's just nothing to say! 04.50.05 # i doubt that :) 04.50.35 # more happened today than in the last 2 months .. at least it felt that way :) 04.50.44 # but then i own an x5 04.51.43 # i just have nothing to do... 04.52.11 # * midkay is frustrated with mapping. 04.52.11 # do you code? i can give you something to do :) 04.52.17 # haha. 04.52.19 # maybe... 04.52.22 # midkay: mapping? 04.52.34 # sharpe: my hl2dm map? hello? :) 04.52.44 # you've never told me of that 04.53.13 # well, i've talked to scorche in the channel about it several times while you were around, and i'm quite sure you inquired and were enlightened... 04.53.39 # i was probably on the phone at the time, not listening, as i was using my headset. :) 04.53.59 # i've been working on it for probably 3 weeks, it was before "that time" you were on the phone. :) 04.54.20 # i must've just not cared enough to remember. :-D 04.54.24 # haha. 04.54.28 # what an a-hole. 04.54.34 # he he he 04.54.37 # just returning the favor. 04.55.00 # haha. 04.55.02 # sigh. gah. 04.56.26 # goffa_: what was that about the coding? :) 04.57.05 Quit scorche (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.57.23 # well... i'd like to get a patch that would implement queue and play as a default action 04.57.40 # like when you go into your file browser and pick a file 04.57.52 # have it just play that instead of blowing away your list 04.57.53 # i'd like an easy way to clear a playlist. 04.58.03 # or am i dumb and there is one but i havent discovered it? 04.58.16 # there's an option to clear the list in the playlist options menu... 04.58.18 # in "playlist options".. 04.58.20 # bah you. 04.58.29 # love you too midkay. 04.58.34 # hugs. 04.58.42 # what i don't understand is why the default action is the way it is.. 04.58.42 # * BloodySorcerer looks 04.58.49 # if i want to listen to a dir i just turn shuffle off 04.59.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.59.21 # derr 04.59.23 # all i see is 04.59.33 # view current playlist, search in playlist, save current playlist, and reshuffle 04.59.42 # BloodySorcerer: could you make an empty m3u? 04.59.51 # is there already a playlist active? 04.59.55 # yes, i suppose 04.59.56 # yeah 05.00.11 # and... other question.. why do you want to have a clear list? 05.00.24 # when viewing the current playlist, does it show a playlist, or do nothing? 05.00.30 # it shows a playlist 05.00.34 # okay... 05.00.38 # hmm, i forgot.. i thought there was an option there.. 05.00.44 # me too... 05.00.52 # theres the remove track thing 05.00.58 # i thought i just used it a little while ago... 05.00.59 # but that tends to get tedious fast... 05.01.01 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@HSE-Hamilton-ppp3513388.sympatico.ca) 05.01.15 # BloodySorcerer: stopping playback erases it, i think, no? 05.01.21 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD09FF8.ipt.aol.com) 05.01.26 # i dunno 05.01.28 # stop? 05.01.32 # theres a stop function? 05.01.33 # :) 05.01.39 # yes? 05.01.42 # hold play a second or two 05.01.42 # iPod..? hold play. 05.01.46 # x5 05.01.51 # shut up sharpe. it was my suggestion. i get to teach him. 05.01.59 # lol 05.02.00 # i think x5 has 'play' too right? it should be the same key.. 05.02.02 # lol 05.02.04 # yeah 05.02.12 # just hold it for a second. 05.02.13 # yeah.. x5 has play 05.02.25 # midkay: i'm just here to help, no need to viciously lash out at my attempt to help... 05.02.31 # lol 05.02.37 # stop wanting to help so badly you 2 :-P 05.02.38 # i didn't viciously lash out, i said "shut up". 05.02.46 # that's lashing out. 05.02.48 # don't try to help. you fail. 05.02.59 # that's lashing out, sure, but not 'viciously' lashing out. 05.02.59 # you're the one who can't spell, parentheses. 05.03.12 # you're the one that can't spell those few words i've seen you misspell a few times! 05.03.15 # lol.. go make my patch :) 05.03.18 # lol 05.03.23 # hmm 05.03.25 # oh gah, way to bring that up, such a comeback! 05.03.27 # stopping does indeed clear the playlist 05.03.27 # :) 05.03.35 # genius indeed. 05.03.45 # of course. 05.03.49 # well.. one problem solved 05.04.04 # 2, actually 05.04.07 # the problem of "wheres stop" 05.04.11 # and the problem of "wheres clear" 05.04.12 # ;) 05.04.19 # goffa_: so you just want to be able to play a song without it changing the playlist? 05.04.25 # sharpe: yes 05.04.36 # ah... 05.04.49 # like a one time thing? 05.04.59 # yeah.. 05.05.05 # well.. like 05.05.05 Join tritoch [0] (i=tritoch@71-214-204-129.desm.qwest.net) 05.05.06 # ah... 05.05.13 # you pick a song it plays that song 05.05.16 # then goes to the next one in the list 05.05.33 # uh huh... 05.05.42 # like not queue the dir by default 05.05.55 # that's how i always lose my playlists 05.05.56 # YES. YES. YES. i own. 05.06.08 # same here 05.06.12 # pisses me off :) 05.06.14 # midkay: finally figure out how to make that cube solid? :-D 05.06.19 # i have to go and reload root.m3u 05.06.32 # sharpe: haha. what the hell. you can't make a nonsolid cube you stupid tart. 05.06.32 # i followed all the instructions on the rockbox wiki under ipodinstallation for my ipod nano, but i cant get it to load 05.06.58 # tritoch: well, the obligatory question, what happens when your ipod boots? 05.07.09 # it goes to apples menu 05.07.20 # do you see the rockbox bootloader? 05.07.26 # unless rockbox looks the exact same 05.07.26 # no 05.07.36 # did you actually install the bootloader? 05.07.37 # not since i unplugged it after installing the bootloader 05.07.39 # yes 05.07.41 # i saw the -1 status 05.07.42 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 05.07.45 # then i installed rockbox 05.07.54 # just wont boot it 05.08.02 # What does it say? 05.08.10 # hold select and menu, and tell me if it gives an error code when it boots up. 05.08.12 # it says... nothing. its the apple thing 05.08.29 # What apple thing? 05.08.36 # ahhh select+menu worked 05.08.41 # i just couldnt hard restart it 05.08.48 # thank you 05.08.51 # now to try this baby out 05.08.51 # you're welcome 05.08.55 # good work guys 05.09.00 # just found out about this today 05.09.05 # but i love stuff like this 05.09.15 # got the same thing running on my omnifi 05.09.23 # Today, for the first time ever, I bumped into a random person who knew what Rockbox is. 05.09.34 # oh my gosh!! 05.09.55 # how did rockbox come up...? 05.09.56 # wtf?! 05.10.00 # they'res such a thing? 05.10.13 # normally i either get stares, condescending smiles, or dumbasses drooling over doom 05.10.14 # I was at Best Buy, buying my mother an iPod, and the girl working the DAP department recognized the logo on my shirt. 05.10.27 # people at best buy know what they're talking about?!?! 05.10.31 # you've a rockbox logo on your shirt? 05.10.38 # I have one of the DevCon shirts. 05.10.42 # there are rockbox shirts?!?!?!?! 05.10.42 # ah. 05.10.47 # BloodySorcerer: nope. 05.10.50 # oh, ok. 05.10.51 # Not really. 05.10.54 # lol 05.10.59 # if someone were to design them... 05.11.12 # time to get out the printer and those transfer sheet things and the ironer.... 05.12.31 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.13.28 # Unfortunately, she hadn't tried it. Just read about it at CNET. 05.13.38 # well, better than nothing. 05.14.02 # Yup. 05.14.17 # better than militaristically touting ipods like my friends. 05.14.58 # 'specially the one that refers to it as an "mpeg level 4 audio player" 05.15.09 # and gets offended when i call it an mp3 player.... 05.15.12 # um... isn't girl who works at best buy who knows what rockbox is one of the seven signs out of revelations? 05.15.23 # probably. 05.15.32 # that or the perfect woman. 05.15.39 # goffa_: no, that would be the one that uses rockbox and works at an apple store. read it again. 05.15.48 # goffa_: She was cute too. 05.15.57 # ???? 05.16.04 # did you suggest she check rockbox out? 05.16.23 # did you suggest that she call you up? 05.17.02 # goffa_: twould mean like, "read it again." meaning, read the book that states that again. since there is no such book, it should be funny... :) 05.17.39 # oh.. i was referring to the bible .. just before the 4 horsemen and the rivers boiling blood 05.17.54 # ah then. 05.17.57 # iriver is boiling blood? 05.18.11 # that doesn't sound like a very sensical manufacturing process 05.18.11 # he he he 05.18.17 # hmm, deja vu. 05.18.49 # all over again? 05.19.22 # somewhat 05.21.46 # grr.. got sidetracked 05.21.56 # ah. 05.21.57 # welcome to IRC! 05.22.09 # now its too late to come up with a quip about iriver using blood in their manufacturing process 05.22.27 # no it isnt 05.22.28 # do it do it 05.22.43 # we'll pretend it isnt wildly out of context 05.22.44 # we just copy and paste it in the logs, it'll be okay. 05.22.50 # :) 05.22.53 # :) 05.23.10 Join JPMaximilian [0] (n=john@12-214-186-165.client.mchsi.com) 05.23.49 # i'm having a problem compiling ipod_fw.c 05.23.51 # ooooh 05.23.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt todays log.... 05.24.09 # sorry goffa_, might be too late for wildly out of context comment transplanting 05.24.35 # he he he.. won't be the first time i've been a victim of that 05.24.46 # keep stalling... :) 05.25.04 # c'mon goffa 05.25.05 # could anyone here help me with a problem compiling ipod_fw.c 05.25.17 # JPMaximilian: possibly... 05.25.18 # ha ha ha... you actually think i have a smart ass comment? 05.25.25 # JPMaximilian: Go ahead and explain the problem 05.25.25 # no 05.25.33 # good 05.25.34 # JPMaximilian: you need to ask the question instead of asking us if we can help. we don't know if we can assist you unless we know what the problem. 05.25.40 # +is 05.25.49 # -. -is + is. 05.26.07 # midkay: quite so, ipod_fw.c doesn't compile, i could post the whole output, but i bet you don't want me to do that 05.26.10 # that's assuming +is means add is to the end of the line; it doesn't. 05.26.33 # JPMaximilian: so we're just supposed to guess what the problem is based on "it doesn't work"? any errors or what? 05.26.34 # well then shit. 05.26.40 # JPMaximilian: How 'bout just telling us the line with the error message. "It doesn't compile" can have thousands of causes. 05.27.11 # * BloodySorcerer blinks rapidly 05.27.17 # feature freeze lifted?! 05.27.22 # Yeah... 05.27.23 # yeah... 05.27.31 # Paul_The_Nerd must be quite miffed about that, by the way.. :) 05.27.41 # I understand why they did it. 05.27.51 # as do i.. 05.27.54 # yeah 05.27.55 # And really, since they have a plan for putting out 3.0 anyway, I'm okay with it. 05.28.07 # I've kinda fluctuated both ways about the issue in the past anyway. 05.28.08 # i think its better that they lifted it 05.28.18 # i think it was hindering development on the x5 05.28.30 # what do you mean? a plan for putting it out? it must come out sooner or later, or do you mean like a schedule? 05.28.57 # and it can't be worse than vista or duke nukem :) 05.29.00 # the first errors are that "No such file or directory" for stdio.h stdlib.h string.h errno.h unistd.h 05.29.05 # midkay: I mean a "We saved the source as it was before we released the freeze, so if we need to we can back the playback fixes into it without any potentially stability harming new features being included" 05.29.18 # ah. that's right. 05.29.20 # JPMaximilian: Sounds like your C compiler isn't well installed / set up. 05.29.31 # goffa_, or starcraft:ghost 05.29.41 # indeed 05.29.41 # i'm running ubuntu 6.06 and i did a synaptic install of gcc, is there something else i should install? 05.29.45 # and yes, it made the x5 feel hindered, which made me, an X5L owner, sad :) 05.29.56 # me too BloodySorcerer 05.30.08 # Honestly, the X5 changes were available as patches. 05.30.11 # but im glad we're allowed to make progress now :) 05.30.23 # yeah, but some of them desynced with the CVS rendering them inapplicable 05.30.24 # etc 05.30.28 # but then i never thought of making all of the chips functional as "adding features" 05.30.40 # hahaha 05.30.42 # USBOTG :) 05.30.47 # all of the chips functional? hm? 05.31.13 # then again, USBOTG did just get that nice sleep spell commited to CVS 05.31.17 # which does help battery life a lot 05.31.19 # it's not 'functional', really, it's just a basic way of turning it off, and that was *one* chip. 05.31.24 # if you're talking about that, yeah.. 05.31.38 # (i wasnt calling it functional, i was calling it not) 05.31.40 # * Paul_The_Nerd would personally rather see another target actually *finish* rather than "progress" being made on a new port. 05.31.57 # Especially since the playback fixes and voice fixed *would've* benefited both X5 and iPod users as well. Essentially everyone but Archoses. 05.32.04 # it's nice seeing progress on all fronts.. 05.32.06 # yeah... well i know that rockbox will never be "finished" 05.32.15 # Yeah, but it can reach a release state. 05.32.27 # so i like to see more players .. gives more options 05.32.31 # I consider that *a* finish. Like a baton-pass in a marathon. 05.32.37 # i look forward to new cvs more than new versions 05.32.48 # goffa_, same 05.32.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: i'm running ubuntu 6.06 and i did a synaptic install of gcc, is there something else i should install 05.33.03 # JPMaximilian: You should check that GCC works for other purposes. 05.33.38 # JPMaximilian: um.. did you get build-essential? 05.33.52 # goffa_: nope 05.33.57 # try that 05.34.04 # i think that's the package name 05.34.07 # also 05.34.46 # did you run rockboxdev.sh in the /tools 05.34.58 # goffa_: He's just making ipod_fw right now. 05.35.01 # Doesn't need cross-compilers. 05.35.06 # oh.. ok 05.35.16 # well build essential would be a start i think 05.35.24 # i'm getting that now 05.36.35 # goffa_: awesome, it compiled 05.36.40 # sweet 05.37.14 # i actually helped someone in this channel :) (usually i'm not smart enough.. lol) 05.37.24 # go goffa_! 05.37.26 # * BloodySorcerer gives goffa_ a cookie 05.37.41 # so who wants to help n00b with CVS? 05.38.04 # ok, so i can't execute ipod_fw, do i need to add that to my scripts folder? 05.38.18 # Have you made it executable? 05.38.21 # namely, updating my source files without having to unpatch them and then repatch after updating (which, by the way, i don't know how to do [update that is]) 05.38.42 # BloodySorcerer: cvs update should update them without unpatching... 05.38.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: you mean permissions? 05.39.03 # yeah.. like chmod u+x ipod_fw 05.39.05 # or whatever 05.39.11 # ok paul 05.39.16 # * BloodySorcerer tries 05.39.23 # its at 1600755 right now 05.39.30 # BloodySorcerer: I prefer cvs update -dP actually 05.41.28 # cvs screams that no CVSROOT specified! please use the '-d' option 05.41.59 # try doing it in your base rockbox directory... like the one with rockbox in it's name. :) 05.42.26 # Yeah, check out the sources, then cd into the folder (when you do an ls you should see 'apps' 'tools' and various others) 05.42.40 Join Doomed [0] (n=nnscript@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 05.42.45 # heh 05.42.52 # that would make sense wouldnt it :) 05.43.11 # i'll assume its doing something now, as it isnt screaming 05.43.17 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 05.43.25 # yup, there it goes 05.43.36 # ipod_fw works when I added it to sbin, so i guess that was the problem 05.43.56 # yay 05.43.58 # i like CVS... 05.52.37 # do i run ipod_fw 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-3g.bin for a 3g ipod or ipod_fw -g 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-3g.bin 05.53.24 # you mean, do you use the -g switch? 05.53.38 # correct 05.53.42 # yes. 05.53.51 # sharpe: ok, thanks 05.53.57 # welcome... 05.57.35 Part Paul_The_Nerd 05.58.04 Quit JPMaximilian ("Ex-Chat") 05.58.09 # is their anyway i can get the source from my current build 05.58.15 # so i can apply some patches 05.58.32 # BigMac: yep :) 05.58.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml 05.58.44 # how? 05.58.49 # thank you 05.59.00 # goffa_: on a roll today are we? 05.59.11 # guess so :) 05.59.19 # no,its a custom build 05.59.28 # you're what, 2 for 2 now goffa_? 05.59.34 # oh, maybe not. 05.59.41 # 1.5 for 2 :) 05.59.45 # :) 05.59.52 # lets see if he can still help with this one... 06.01.03 # you don't have the last build do you? or did you nuke the dir? 06.01.56 # i'm not sure. i have jbuild. 06.07.26 # there's probably a way.. but i'm not sure 06.10.00 # 1.5/2 06.10.02 # :) 06.10.17 # yep 06.15.16 Quit dongs_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.17.17 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-67-175-35-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.18.43 Join JPMaximilian [0] (n=john@12-214-186-165.client.mchsi.com) 06.20.01 # is the interface of rockbox the same as the origional ipod firmware? 06.20.07 # no 06.20.09 # no 06.20.16 # but there are WPSes that look like the ipod 06.21.42 # but if my interface looks exactly the same as before i probably didn't get rockbox installed? 06.21.57 # right JPMaximilian 06.22.08 # you should see a rockbox bootscreen 06.22.15 # at some point 06.23.02 # blast, how do i go about "Unzip the daily build into the root directory of the iPod.", i just extracted the files into my ipod, and that didn't seem to work 06.23.30 # are they in a .rockbox folder? 06.23.49 # and there should be a rockbox.something too 06.23.58 # like on my player rockbox.iaudio 06.25.07 # there is a .rockbox folder as well as a rockbox.ipod file 06.25.37 # those should go into the root of the player 06.25.44 # however, my ipod shows up as /dev/sdb instaed of /dev/sda 06.25.52 # yeah.. that shouldn't matter 06.26.08 # how do i add that file/folder to root? 06.26.12 # feature freeze is over and ipod 3gs now ork? 06.26.31 # i just added it to the folder that comes up when i click on the ipod logo 06.26.40 # it had like calenders, ipod_control, notes, etc in it 06.26.42 # hmm... that's probably root 06.27.02 # i don't know much about the ipod.. 06.27.31 # i'm guessing you need to get the modified firmware on there somehow 06.27.47 # maybe i should have copied it to sda1, as opposed to sda2 06.27.49 # grr 06.27.50 # how do you list processes in linux? 06.28.10 # ps 06.28.12 # or ps aux 06.28.26 Quit JPMaximilian ("Ex-Chat") 06.31.22 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.83) 06.34.08 # aaaaah 06.34.10 # vi makes me sad. 06.35.48 # why's that? 06.35.57 # it doesnt let me exit. 06.36.05 # i hit esc, i hit q, i hit enter, it does nothing 06.36.08 # :wq! 06.36.14 # if you want to write 06.36.17 # or q! 06.36.20 # to exit 06.36.30 # ooh! 06.36.33 # the : made it work. 06.36.35 # 2.5/3 :) 06.36.59 # i usually use nano 06.37.29 # i would 06.37.34 # but smoothwall doesnt have nano 06.37.42 # ah 06.39.17 # hi 06.39.53 # hi 06.39.57 # hi 06.45.26 # hi 06.47.49 Quit lostnihilist (Remote closed the connection) 06.47.53 # is it bad if i write my AIM away messages in C++? 06.48.19 # as long as it compiles\ 06.48.33 # k good 06.48.35 # i'm safe then 06.48.41 # (it compiles) 06.49.42 # g'night all 06.50.33 # hehe... 06.51.19 Quit chendo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.51.31 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-17-211.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.59.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.02.14 Join JPMaximilian [0] (n=john@12-214-186-165.client.mchsi.com) 07.02.29 # i got rockbox working on a 3g ipod, flac's sound great 07.02.40 # cool 07.02.46 # and congrats 07.02.47 # no skippage whatsoever 07.02.59 # goffa_: thanks, and thanks for your help 07.03.04 # no prob 07.03.31 # the only thing is, it doesn't seems to like colons or questions marks in my song names 07.03.41 # likely due to not mounting it right 07.03.53 # probably 07.04.00 # you don't have any wierd characters do you? 07.04.03 # the directions says to use -o utf8 07.04.30 # what do you mean by weird? the only characters it doesn't like are ? and : 07.04.44 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 07.05.01 # well.. like i've got u-ziq... and it doesnt like the mu 07.05.52 # hmm 07.05.57 # are you running linux? 07.06.07 # yeah 07.06.19 # but you aren't using an ipod, right? 07.06.25 # right 07.06.31 # i've got an x5 and an h140 07.06.43 # do they just automoutn when you plug them in? 07.06.45 # actually.. xubuntu 6.06 on this box 07.06.54 # no.. i manually mount them 07.07.10 # and you've tried -o utf8 07.07.18 # no 07.07.24 # give that a whirl 07.07.37 # will do 07.08.15 # in the install directions i was using there was this line: Make sure to mount with -o utf8 if you want non-ascii filenames to work. 07.08.17 # oh shit... the u-ziq is on the h140 (had to send that in for rma today) 07.08.27 # ah 07.08.36 # well the files play 07.08.40 # they just have funky chars 07.08.44 # i never did care about that 07.09.01 # but next time i'll try the utf8 07.09.10 # yeah, its worth a shot 07.09.23 # i'm running ubuntu, do you know how i'd manually mount my ipod, cause it just automounts 07.09.49 # can you umount then mount? 07.10.31 # lets see... 07.13.23 # what would the command for mount be mount /dev/sda2 ? 07.13.34 Quit Doomed ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 07.13.40 # mount /dev/sda2 mountpoint 07.13.48 # well -o utf8 if you like 07.13.52 # yea 07.13.56 # does any1 here use the new playlist catalog feature? 07.14.03 # what do you usually use for the mountpoint? 07.14.05 # not i 07.14.15 # i use /mnt/iaudio 07.14.22 # i got my iaudio first 07.14.29 # you could make a dir /mnt/ipod 07.15.11 Quit Jungti1234 () 07.15.25 # it says i need to specify the filesystem type 07.15.35 # i put this in my fstab to make it easier 07.15.37 # /dev/sdc1 /mnt/iaudio auto noauto,users,rw 0 0 07.15.45 # is hfs a type? 07.15.49 # otherwise -t vfat 07.16.24 # what is fstab? i'm a linux noob if you hadn't already noticed :) 07.16.45 # file system table i assume 07.16.48 # its in /etc 07.17.01 # specifies points to automount if they exist on boot 07.17.36 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 07.18.14 # well.. noauto tells it to not automount 07.18.30 # but to mount i can just do mount /mnt/iaudio 07.18.37 # and it knows what i'm talking about 07.19.05 # i see, how would you add the filesystem and the -o utf8? 07.19.33 # in the fstab? 07.19.37 # yea 07.19.47 # um.. replace auto with the filesystem 07.20.00 # so fat32 would be vfat? 07.20.04 # and i think you can put noauto,utf8,users,rw 07.20.07 # yeah 07.20.37 # no auto tells it not to mount, users can mount it, read write 07.22.40 # did the umount then mount work? 07.23.38 # nope, it says that mountpoint does not exist 07.23.43 # oh 07.23.52 # go to mount and mkdir the mountpoint 07.24.05 # er /mnt 07.28.21 # ok, so what is the command for unmount, because i've just been doing eject from the gui, so maybe that is the problem 07.28.47 # its umount mountpoint 07.31.29 # ok, i try umount, but it says that device is not mounted 07.31.37 # even though it shows up on the desktop 07.32.22 # hmm... i think debian (ubuntu whatever) might put stuff under /mount 07.32.46 # nope 07.32.47 # media 07.33.00 # what shows up under media? 07.33.13 # ok, yeah, ipod is under media 07.33.16 # ok 07.33.22 # umount that 07.34.21 # ok, done 07.34.37 # ok... now you should be able to mount with whatever options you want 07.34.49 # so would i tried sudo mount vfat /dev/sdb -o utf8 /media/ipod and that doesn't work 07.35.12 # oh.. sudo mount -t vfat 07.35.12 Quit kclaf (SendQ exceeded) 07.37.55 # wrong fs type, bad option, blah blah 07.38.09 # hmm... well its not vfat 07.38.23 # what would fat32 be? 07.38.31 # fat32 is vfat 07.38.51 # oh, i see what you're saying 07.38.55 # maybe the -o has to be at the end or before the mountpoint 07.39.14 # what does the -o mean? 07.39.15 # like -t vfat -o utf8 /dev/sdb /media/ipod 07.39.18 # option 07.40.34 # well it doesn't work even without that option 07.40.52 # yeah.. my guess is that fat32 is the wrong type 07.41.06 # try it without the -t vfat 07.41.14 # does it say you need to specify a type? 07.41.27 # oh wait 07.41.32 # try sdb1 07.41.35 # instead of sdb 07.41.43 # unless you have been 07.41.56 # no, i've just been doing sdb 07.42.01 # ok 07.42.08 # the 1 or 2 is the partition on that device 07.42.35 # ok, it should be 2 i think 07.42.39 # ok 07.42.48 # ha! it worked 07.42.51 # cool stuff 07.42.53 # cool 07.43.24 # goffa_: fat32 != vfat 07.43.38 # well from a mounting perspective 07.43.53 # yeah, maybe 07.44.31 # sorry about not clarifying JPMaximilian and amiconn 07.44.47 # * amiconn wonders why linux can't figure out the filesystem itself 07.44.58 # amiconn: he didn't specify partition 07.45.27 # it should mount without the -t now if you unmount it 07.45.38 # so if i do /dev/sdb2 i don't have to specify the fs? 07.45.46 # right 07.45.57 # ok 07.46.41 # hmm.. cvs server is a bit slow atm... 07.54.39 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@host217-42-183-128.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 07.56.13 Quit alberink ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 07.56.48 Join Mordov|wo [0] (n=mordov@mail.furuno.no) 07.57.14 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 07.59.57 # I AM A GUITAR HERO 08.00.00 # AAAUGH 08.00.12 # ziggy stardust on hard 90% accuracy. 08.00.34 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeeps@c-71-202-85-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 08.00.55 # my nickname to some friends is ziggy. 08.01.35 # the nickname of the basterd who screwed australias major telco and internet was ziggy untill he was fired :D 08.01.54 # goffa_: thanks a lot for your help, i owe you a beer or something 08.02.06 # he he he.. don't worry about it 08.04.48 # hey hardeep, you did the playlist catalog didnt you? 08.07.02 Join Pons [0] (n=pons@unaffiliated/pons) 08.07.09 # hello everybody 08.07.18 # JdGordon: yes 08.07.22 # Pons: ciao 08.07.31 # JPMaximilian, hola 08.07.38 # nice job, does it allow subdirs under /Playlists? 08.07.52 # is there any known way of playing ipod songs sorted using rockbox? 08.07.57 # JdGordon: no, it's only for a specific folder 08.08.05 # hmm, ok 08.08.08 # i mean ipod songs added for original firmware 08.08.11 # Pons: enable tagcahe 08.08.18 # JdGordon: of course, you can specify your own folder by creating playlist_catalog.cfg 08.08.38 # tagcache? 08.09.12 # Pons: ye, it will then let you use rockbox like the ipod does, if you set it to the id3 browser.. 08.09.47 # how do i enable it? 08.09.49 # * JdGordon points Pons to http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml to get the manul 08.10.01 # somehwere in the menus :D dunno of the top of my head 08.16.03 # * Pons 's ipod tag-cacheing 08.17.22 # JdGordon: dirwalker stuff looks good for the most part. However, I don't think it should be a separate file. Maybe part of tree.c? 08.18.02 # i put it seperate because i belive a messy folder is better than a rediculously long file 08.18.39 # JdGordon: this is very closely related to tree though 08.18.50 # does how do i go back the currently playing song, i have a 3g ipod and there is no manual for it 08.18.57 # about as closly as playlist_catalog.c is to playlist.c :D 08.19.07 # i can move it if u want 08.19.22 # JdGordon: not really, catalog doesn't use any playlist functionality 08.19.44 # ... you win this round! 08.19.50 # is there any way of loading apple's default firm instead of rockbox at start without pressing menu? 08.20.02 # * JdGordon should remove his lolly colletion from next to the computer 08.20.25 Quit akaias (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 08.20.32 # Pons: i tihnk the iPl bootloader v2 has a menu or something, dunno 08.21.48 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@c-71-57-61-189.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.22.35 # iPl.. ipodlinux' 08.22.40 # ? 08.23.18 # yes 08.23.31 # chendo: Hmm, how do you run wine on amd64? 08.23.47 # There's no debian-amd64 package for wine 08.24.33 # amiconn: ./configure && make && make install ... 08.24.50 # why did i initialize tag-cache 08.24.59 Join PyromancerX2 [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 08.25.01 # Pons: because you can. 08.25.03 # it did all the cache.. took a while 08.25.03 # Pons: so u can use the id3 browser 08.25.21 # and now id3 browser complains that tag cache is not ready 08.25.29 # reboot 08.25.31 # amiconn, well, i compiled mine 08.25.33 # i run gentoo 08.26.18 Quit PyromancerX (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.28.09 # i definitively like rockbox :D 08.31.00 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 08.31.22 # Pons: that's the general response 08.31.26 # aye 08.31.35 # I think I'll give rockbox another chance 08.32.01 # * Ribs was so impressed when he first used it, he donated 08.32.08 # first time I have done that for ANY project 08.32.44 Quit Mordov|wo ("The amount of experience you have is paralell with the amount of equipment you have ruined.") 08.34.30 # does anyknow know how do i go back the currently playing song, i have a 3g ipod and there is no manual for it 08.34.45 # JPMaximilian: try play 08.35.10 # earHertz: ty 08.35.15 # :) 08.35.46 # earHertz: i don't feel a little silly now or anything 08.36.07 # I wouldn';t. It took me a while to get that, and I could have loked in teh source code 08.36.32 # yeah, i'm not on that level, but i thought i had pushed every button combination 08.36.48 # you may have. 08.37.08 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.37.28 # Hey. Will the SID codec be added to the main tree now? 08.38.35 # ravon it is already there... 08.39.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-07-18%2018:33:22.html 08.39.48 # Sweet!! 08.40.10 # JdGordon: awake? 08.40.18 # hey 08.40.26 # looking at your dirwalker patch 08.41.11 # looks good 08.41.33 # :) 08.41.52 # however, i think there might be a more descriptive name than "dirwalker" :-) 08.42.25 # it recursively walks directories? 08.42.33 # ye, thats possibly an english slang term or something, its a nice short name for it tho 08.42.48 # i don't mind, really 08.43.05 # hardeep didnt like it in a seperate file and thought it should go in tree.c, but i disagree... 08.43.13 # earHertz: bingo 08.43.14 # oh please, no! 08.43.28 # why do you disagree? 08.43.29 # ? 08.43.32 # tree.c is too damned confusing already 08.43.41 # well thats partly my reasoning 08.43.57 # please, please please, unless it needs access to tre internal, keep it separate 08.44.04 # internals 08.44.21 # JdGordon: dirwalker stuff looks good for the most part. However, I don't think it should be a separate file. Maybe part of tree.c? 08.44.21 # [16:18:32] i put it seperate because i belive a messy folder is better than a rediculously long fil 08.44.23 # e 08.45.05 # I strongly agree with JdGordon 08.46.13 # i can see it both ways, but since it doesn't use any private data from tree.c, i think it's ok to have it in a separate file 08.46.25 # two files for a single function seems like overkill to me, just my opinion of course :) 08.46.50 # however, do we have any more related functions we could put in the same file? 08.47.27 # i agree with hardeep there 08.47.57 # i mean, could the file be a more generic "dirfunctions.c" or something? 08.48.09 # just breainstorming here 08.48.12 # brain 08.48.24 # or fileutils.c to be even more generic 08.48.30 # yup 08.48.49 # If they're logically relasted, sure,. But don't lump them just to cut down on files. 08.48.50 # do we have any more functions that could fall in this category? 08.49.07 # earHertz: we always have misc.c :-) 08.49.12 # not really, not that i can think of off the top of my head 08.49.24 # besides, we're going to be seeing a lot more files soon, if teh 3,0 idea of breaking out platforms and removing ifdefs is going to happen 08.49.28 # some of the stuff in tree.c can probably be moved there 08.49.54 Join Mordov|wo [0] (n=mordov@mail.furuno.no) 08.50.28 # JdGordon: dirwalker uses a struct, so that differnt clients can use it at the same time/ 08.50.31 # create_playlist 08.50.54 # yeah, also strip_extension 08.50.58 # tree.c is already 1400lines and about a dozen functions, you really want to make it bigger? 08.51.00 # earHertz: ? 08.51.16 # JdGordon: we are talking about moving files from tree.c to fileutils.c 08.51.23 # s/files/functions/ 08.51.31 # ah 08.51.34 # nwevermind 08.51.35 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 08.52.04 # earHertz: no, it can only be used once at a time, but i dont tinhk its possible for it to be called simultaneously anyway 08.52.35 # the current dirwalker can only be called from the main thread 08.52.56 # since it reads buttons and writes to the lcd 08.53.08 # tagcache and plugins will bnnever want to use it? 08.53.14 # oh, nevermind 08.53.16 # ok, so there you go 08.53.30 # the patch adds it to the plugin struct and stats.rock is updated to use it 08.53.39 # (eventually we should seperate gui stuff from functionality) 08.57.40 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.58.31 # * JdGordon bbs 08.59.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.01.39 # YES!!!! 09.01.57 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 09.01.57 # WINRAR OF THE FIRST ANNUAL BUBBLETHON! 09.02.04 # (caps makes it cooler) 09.04.56 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 09.11.13 Join rojisan [0] (n=roger@pool-71-246-199-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 09.11.24 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.11.47 # fyi: rockbox wiki has been appropriated by free ringtones spammers: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/SergioMazeratti?rev=1;filename=free_ringtones.html 09.17.50 # free ringtones?! i need myself some of those! 09.18.12 # * JdGordon back 09.18.23 # JdGordon: free ringtones!! 09.19.05 # meh, i got bananaphone as a ringtone, not gonna get better than that :D 09.19.11 # hahaha. 09.19.15 # bananaphooooone. 09.19.29 # it's a momma and poppa and a dogaphone, it's a grandaphone it's a grandmaphone, it's a .. wait.. 09.19.35 # that's .. not.. right.. never mind. 09.21.47 # ye, no all wrong 09.21.53 Quit darkless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.22.04 Quit Mordov|wo ("The amount of experience you have is paralell with the amount of equipment you have ruined.") 09.22.05 # ring ring ring ring, banannaphone! 09.22.11 # three more 09.22.15 # rings in there sometime. 09.22.17 # oh, i thought of a great idea for the fireworks plugin... has the launchers show on the remote lcd :D 09.22.30 # JdGordon: are you a scot? 09.22.35 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 09.22.44 # nope 09.22.50 # blue blood aussie 09.23.07 # what does "ye" means when you say it? 09.23.41 # ye == yeah == lazy yes :p 09.24.05 # I thought it might mean "you" 09.24.20 # haha, no, 09.24.28 # * earHertz shrugs 09.24.39 # i should stop being lazy in international forums 09.24.47 # yes. 09.24.48 # eh 09.25.53 # oh no, microsoft acquired sysinternals :( 09.27.49 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.29.20 Part rojisan 09.29.43 # anyone know where there is a free online multiplayer ping pong game? im sure ive played it before but cant rmeember where 09.29.53 # google 09.30.08 Quit lostlogic (Remote closed the connection) 09.30.12 # very easily found =) 09.30.17 # (i searched for it the other day 09.30.19 # ) 09.30.27 Quit dwihno (Remote closed the connection) 09.30.59 Join dwihno [0] (n=dw@81.8.226.44) 09.31.07 # :( im looking, but can only find 2 players on the same comp, i want to play with a friend over the net 09.31.41 # JdGordon: | . 09.31.49 # | . 09.31.55 # | . 09.32.08 # . | 09.32.14 # | . . 09.32.15 # |. 09.32.24 # | . 09.32.38 # | .. 09.32.44 # \whoops 09.32.47 # woo, extra ball! 09.32.54 # | o (for beginners) 09.33.12 # | o 09.33.18 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3035.gwdg.de) 09.33.46 # Hi-res pong: (* 09.34.10 # guys, we have a new idea for stopping the wiki spam. but it involves a bit more work for the irc regulars: 09.34.14 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@ppp110-219.lns2.bne3.internode.on.net) 09.34.20 # * scorche perks up 09.34.29 # * earHertz brews 09.34.57 # JdGordon: http://pong.flash-gear.com/ 09.35.06 # the idea is that we close it up a bit, by introducing access control. 09.35.12 # ooh. 09.35.17 # when you first register, you are not allowed to change any pages 09.35.18 # uh oh 09.35.20 # i'm interested. :D 09.35.20 # same side 09.35.33 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.35.47 # =( 09.35.55 # instead you are sent to the irc channel to introduce yourself, and someone with access will add you to the group 09.36.08 # ah, that's an interesting idea. 09.36.12 # indeed 09.36.13 # everyone with write access can add new people to the group 09.36.13 # indeed 09.36.38 # JdGordon: ? 09.36.44 # sounds ok, but doesnt hat mean some idiot could remove everyone from the group? 09.36.49 # well, what if, one spammer got accepted as being legitimate? 09.36.51 # minor quiblle: what about people with html access but no urc access? 09.37.00 # and added many other users? 09.37.01 # JdGordon: it does, but everything is revision controlled so it's not much of a problem 09.37.05 # sharpe: well, what if, after spamming, he was, removed and banned? 09.37.15 # earHertz: webclient 09.37.16 # earHertz: they can use the cgiirc 09.37.32 # Zagor: and would everyone currently registered be able to add? 09.37.36 # scorche: yes 09.38.00 Join webguest76 [0] (n=d8fe178e@labb.contactor.se) 09.38.10 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 09.38.52 # this adds a treshold for spammers, but not too big of a bottleneck for real contributors 09.38.55 Join lostlogic [0] (n=lostlogi@temporal.lostlogicx.com) 09.39.01 # Zagor: sounds good, but the instructions need to include omething along the lines of "spamming the irc for access will see you banned from irc and the wiki" 09.39.04 # sounds reasonabel 09.39.20 # JdGordon: yeah. we'll just op logbot :-) 09.39.27 # is this web client supposed to work from any browser? 09.39.39 # Galois: most anyway 09.39.47 # i haven't tried lynx :-) 09.39.53 # cause I just tried it (firefox redhat) and it's frozen 09.39.55 # Galois: I've had problems with it in the past, but then, I run my browser in paarnoid mode 09.40.26 # Galois: that's odd. lots of people run it in firefox. 09.40.32 # * Zagor tests again 09.40.43 # i can run it fine from firefox 09.40.49 Join webguest14 [0] (n=181ef287@labb.contactor.se) 09.40.49 Quit webguest76 (Client Quit) 09.40.54 Join Zagor_testing [0] (n=c2ed96aa@labb.contactor.se) 09.41.01 # yada yada 09.41.10 # maybe my proxy is at fault? 09.41.15 # huh, it's ajax now, not java applet/ 09.41.24 Join webguest31 [0] (n=d31c5fd0@labb.contactor.se) 09.41.27 # java is most certainly not cross platform 09.41.30 # ajax is better 09.41.31 # works fine here 09.41.59 Part Zagor_testing 09.42.09 # can xxx 09.42.13 # firefox 1.5.0.4 linux and java 1.5 09.42.20 # can I write on your wiki? 09.42.26 Quit webguest31 (Client Quit) 09.42.42 # I have free ringtiones 09.42.42 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.43.01 # no luck, oh well 09.43.32 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3035.gwdg.de) 09.43.34 # now we play the guess who webguest14 is game :p 09.43.35 # how much does rockbox cost? 09.43.51 # * JdGordon guesses scorche or sharpe 09.44.05 # hmm? 09.44.16 # that would probably not be me. 09.44.22 # I bought a copy on ebay for $29.99 09.44.22 # nor me 09.44.31 # hehe 09.44.40 Join midkay_cgiirc [0] (n=187e182b@labb.contactor.se) 09.44.52 # stupid sharpe.. 09.44.54 # I guess it could work if there are enough people with access 09.44.56 # maybe it's midkay? 09.44.57 # That includees 5 free hours of tech support. where do I get that? 09.45.06 # midkay_cgiirc: what'd i do? 09.45.08 # nowhere! 09.45.16 # you guys, the ip address is in the /whois, if you want to cheat 09.45.18 # webguest14: do you also have ringtones that work with rockbox? 09.45.29 # sharpe: must you ask? 09.45.35 # and with cialis 09.45.37 # if not enough people have access, then new users might get annoyed and leave 09.45.45 # Galois: no its not, it shows the labb.contractor.se ip 09.45.49 # it shows the ip 09.45.52 # look harder. 09.45.53 # did i really do anything? 09.46.04 # sharpe: no, but your mother did 09.46.08 # JdGordon: why automatically guess me or scorche? 09.46.09 # we don't real;ly want total newbs writing on teh wiki, do we? 09.46.11 # Galois: the idea is that everyone with write access to twiki also has permission to add new users 09.46.19 # JdGordon: indeed 09.46.25 # sharpe: coz s is a funny shape :D 09.46.28 # Zagor: what about, also having another person verify it? 09.46.34 # just incase? 09.46.51 # sharpe: what about, not having commas after "what about"? it's grammatically incorrect. 09.47.00 # nah. I believe in using an open system until we feel the need to limit it. 09.47.09 # Zagor: can the adding be doable by a script? 09.47.11 # midkay: bite me? 09.47.22 # sharpe: also, "in case" is two words. 09.47.23 # you better keep track of who adds which new users, or else one rogue spammer is going to add like 100 new users 09.47.23 # JdGordon: yes, but I won't write one for you :-) 09.47.31 # * midkay_cgiirc bits sharpe 09.47.50 # Galois: everything is revision controlled. a spammer can add 100 new users, but we can remove them just as easily. 09.47.51 # let's not make this too complicated. as xzagot=r sauys, wait until we need complication 09.47.55 # it should be bit, not bits. 09.48.07 # * midkay_cgiirc bites sharpe 09.48.07 # good I can't type 09.48.11 # stupid e.... 09.48.12 # GOD 09.48.15 # Zagor: coz im thinking get the script going and then we can use logbot to automatically do it if requested 09.48.35 # JdGordon: no, I want real people doing it 09.48.37 # logbiot: add Zagor to wiki 09.49.15 # why not just use a captcha? 09.49.18 # logbot: emergency override. Lock out all users except me 09.49.18 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: all the things phone and hop won't include") 09.49.24 # Zagor: im saying we get one of the regulars to msg logbot who can run the script instead of us having to manually do it 09.49.52 # Galois: because the spammers aren't bots. they are humans. 09.49.55 Quit webguest14 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.50.14 # then the human spammers (or even subhumans) can just as easily use IRC 09.50.44 # * midkay_cgiirc pokes sharpe in the bellybutton 09.51.11 # Galois: yes they can. but my bet is they won't. or if they do, they won't be able to explain to the channel why they want access. that's why I want humans to give new permissions. 09.51.20 # now why would you do that? 09.51.49 # sharpe: the mass of lint...it beckoned 09.52.03 # how would we make sure they visited the irc, and not just have someone add them? 09.52.16 # Galois: basically, I want to keep it as simple as possible. making it spammer proof will also create a big barrier for legitimate contributors, and we don't want that 09.52.21 # okay, so the idea is that nobody in their right mind would sign up as a new user unless they already had a specific wiki contribution in mind 09.52.46 # but spammers will invent generic contributions, like "I want to add a WPS" or something lame 09.53.05 # Galois: or at least some idea of what they want to do. we already explicitly ask on the registration page that they don't register unless they plan to contribute. 09.53.16 # Galois: if that happens, we'll deal with it. 09.53.32 # I don't want to tackle hypothetical problems 09.53.43 # hypothetical is fun! 09.53.54 # wikipedia has demonstrated that wiki vandalism is not a hypothetical problem, nor are the vandals limited in their ingenuity or determination 09.54.31 # Galois: agreed. but vandalism isn't our problem. spamming is. I don't want to lock down the wiki, just avoid most of the spamming. 09.55.11 # huh, I got a spam that loks like a joe-job, from http://www.coopercarry.com -- but it's an interesting site 09.55.11 # this is a new idea, let's try it and see what happens. if enough spammers go around it, we'll need to modify it. but only then. 09.55.29 # we could always do the two-user verification. :-D 09.55.31 # requiring all contributions (not contributors) to be approved by a trusted user would IMO stop spamming without inconveniencing legitimate contributions too much 09.56.08 # Galois: yes, that is the logical next step if the first isn't enough 09.56.36 # but I'd like avoid that particular bottleneck if at all possible 09.56.42 # Galois: wikipedia also puts way too much time effort and acrimony into "hunting trolls" -- to the point where they run off legit contributors 09.57.01 # can contributor approval be handled purely through the web site? 09.57.08 # Galois: yes 09.57.17 # or, web + irc 09.57.20 # I mean without dubious technology like cgi:irc 09.57.26 # the typical wiki spammer isn';t going to take the tome to learn what a wps is -- he's going to go for lower-hanging fruit 09.57.35 # he's not going to play kgb 09.57.42 # could also have certain people listed in the forums that people can PM for approval...? 09.57.47 Quit JPMaximilian ("Ex-Chat") 09.58.06 # for example, a new user signs up and one of the forms asks for an explanation of why he wants to sign up. Then when he submits the form the "approvers" are notified and one of them can go to the web site and click a box approving the new user 09.58.23 # after reading the explanation of course 09.59.22 # Galois: our first thought was to do it through email, but I feel irc is better. partly because it directs contributors into the channel where all the talk is going on, and partly because you can have a dialog with the applicant and get at least some crude image of the person. 09.59.54 Join webguest23 [0] (n=181ef287@labb.contactor.se) 10.00.08 # I just think cross-medium requirements like irc are more of a barrier than (say) requiring contributions to be approved 10.00.26 # there are of course many ways to do it. but I'm not sure a web form is better than irc. I rather think the noise ratio will be much higher with a web form. 10.00.29 # frankly, IRC is not a good place to debate how much of a barrier it is to sign up on IRC 10.00.41 # hehe 10.00.55 # Hi, my names is amanda. I'm real sexy and fun, and I lobve nerdy guys! 10.01.00 # I know from experience in several other contexts that a lot of computer users have huge problems getting on IRC, even with web clients and such 10.01.08 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.01.15 # * midkay_cgiirc snuggles up to webguest23 10.01.21 # Can I put hot pictures of me on your wiki? 10.01.21 # Galois: i suggested the forums... :) 10.01.33 # as an alternative 10.01.39 # no the forums are bad enough as it is 10.01.45 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3035.gwdg.de) 10.01.50 # hrm, can guests pm? 10.01.53 # no... 10.01.59 # never mind, that idea's ot. 10.02.02 # out 10.02.03 # webguest23: please do...under the CamWhores page please 10.02.08 # Oh midkay, you're so hot. wnat to see my webcam? what's your credit vard number? 10.02.29 # perhaps a good middle ground would be to allow a contribution if either the contributor or the contribution has been approved 10.02.30 # everything is iterative and can be changed if it doesn't feel good. nothing is carved in stone. 10.02.51 # is it possible to require contrib approval on all membersunless they have been around for longer than X or had more than Y contribs already? 10.02.53 # Galois: then we need to code up a whole new system for auditing contributions 10.03.04 # How about new wiki users require wiki changes to be approved by another trusted user until they reach trusted user status? 10.03.18 # JdGordon: we can do anything, but I don't want to. I want to keep it simple. 10.03.32 # wehn: sounds good, but I expect it would be hella frustrating 10.03.39 # thats simpler than requirng them to come here first 10.03.46 # we already sort of have an auditing system now, it's called "roll back the changes if we reject them" 10.03.49 # JdGordon's thinking like me too. 10.03.56 # the only drawback is that the changes are visible until rolled back 10.04.11 # Galois: right, but it's too much work since in reality we only ever roll back spam 10.04.55 # mmmmmm...delicious Coca-Cola 10.04.59 # * midkay_cgiirc burps 10.05.04 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 10.05.05 # JdGordon: we don't have a system for auditing contributions. you can either change topics, or you can't. 10.05.09 # heck, if you really only want to get rid of spammers, then only their first contrib needs to be approved 10.05.11 # * midkay_cgiirc burps again 10.05.25 # I'm drinking Pepsi Blue, and I'm not wearing panties 10.05.26 # and again... 10.05.41 # ew. 10.05.45 # Zagor: there is no mod for twiki for it? 10.05.58 # midkay_cgiirc: stop the noise ok? 10.06.03 # JdGordon: not that I know of, no 10.06.14 # ok =( 10.06.16 Quit midkay_cgiirc ("CGI:IRC") 10.06.52 Quit webguest23 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.07.37 # well then I guess IRC approval sucks but I can't think of anything better 10.08.08 Join midkay_cgiirc [0] (n=187e182b@labb.contactor.se) 10.08.11 # ***BURP*** 10.08.13 Quit midkay_cgiirc (Client Quit) 10.11.40 Join obo [0] (n=c38119cd@labb.contactor.se) 10.11.57 # ye, i think full access after the first contrib is apporved would be the best method, but if thats not doable then irc would be good too 10.12.24 # JdGordon: I agree, that would be the best method 10.16.24 # Zagor: completly changing the topic... can we get a new link under the "commits since 2.5" seen as that page is fairly long now? 10.17.37 # "commits since unfreeze"? 10.18.04 # ye, something like that 10.20.02 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 10.20.37 Join bluebrother [0] (n=810dba02@labb.contactor.se) 10.23.23 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3035.gwdg.de) 10.23.23 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.23.40 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 10.35.09 Join slimx [0] (n=slimx@81.255.106.202) 10.36.45 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3035.gwdg.de) 10.38.37 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.83) 10.38.41 # What is 'Export modifications'? 10.39.36 # in reference to what? 10.40.19 # desc: in tag cache settings 10.41.50 # dunno, whatever it is, it fails here :p 10.44.02 # is the limit value in the dircache info screen the amount of RAM being reserved for dircache? 10.49.57 # JdGordon: i don't think so, for me the value is bigger than 6MB. 10.51.15 # ye, thats why im asking, its about 6mb for me also 10.52.51 Quit eGen_ ("mýdlo konèí ! ... ruèník konèí !") 10.56.25 # self-explanatory? the maximum cache size that will be allowed in RAM, i'm pretty sure. 10.57.04 # if the displayed cache size is larger than the limit which is probably RAM-size-specific it won't be cached. 10.58.20 # ye, but is that much ram being resrverd? because if that is then its pretty bad 10.58.46 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 10.59.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.00.36 Join eGen_ [0] (i=generat0@boserver.mudecin.cz) 11.03.24 # i'd *imagine* that the only amount of RAM used is how large your cache is. 11.03.32 Part bluebrother 11.03.40 # e.g. limit = won't go past this; cache size = how large it is and thus how much is being used. 11.08.34 # * JdGordon goes to investigate.. 11.08.45 # anyone know where te dircache code is? i mean which files? 11.09.21 # maybe like dircache.c or cache.c? i'm pretty sure i've seen something like that around before, but i'm not sure.. 11.09.39 # #define DIRCACHE_LIMIT (1024*1024*6) <- 6mb exactly :p 11.09.44 # i cant find a dircache.c 11.10.04 # hmm. 11.10.12 # or cache.c 11.10.49 # grr... firmware/common 11.11.07 # yeah it's pretty low level code 11.12.14 # cripes, there's only been a few updates since the freeze was lifted 11.13.39 Quit _Lucretia_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.13.43 # iv been trying to get aobut 6 patches done, but noone will do em :p 11.13.55 # Which ones? 11.14.23 Join kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 11.14.31 # don't know anyone? 11.14.34 # remote patches, random directories, 11.16.00 # hmm... it musnt be reserving 6mb of ram, because according to the rockbox info screen it says my audio buffer is 28mb and the h300 has 32mb ram... 11.16.42 # the rockbox image will also take some of that RAM I would think 11.16.55 # though that's only 300k 11.17.11 # yeah 11.17.16 # * JdGordon stops worrying about it 11.21.32 # JdGordon: The 6MB is the maximum dircache will ever use 11.21.56 # It reserves whatever it needs to hold the current dircache contents + 64KB 11.23.08 # safetydan: The rockbox image needs more than its file size. The .bss section is excluded from the file 11.23.17 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 11.25.33 Quit nudelyn2 ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 11.26.24 # ah yes 11.30.02 # So... is there a policy for comitting patches where we can't get the submitter's full name for the credits? 11.30.35 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.30.47 # I thought such patches were rejected 11.32.03 # safetydan: yeah, we don't. no name = no rockbox glory ;-) 11.32.07 # well it's not the submitter's fault that I can't get their name, the patch they submitted is from before flyspray 11.32.32 # safetydan: which patch? 11.32.40 # I added a comment to the task asking for their name five months ago 11.32.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2937 11.33.02 # the patch needs a little work, but the idea is sound 11.33.08 # tried emailing the sf.net mail address? 11.33.42 # Would that be their username@sf.net? 11.33.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/user/898 11.34.07 # that's just an empty page for me 11.34.13 # oh, sorry. admin page :-) 11.34.18 # psyche78@users.sourceforge.net 11.34.19 # ah, that explains that then :) 11.36.46 # right, email sent 11.36.51 # * safetydan goes back to working on something else 11.37.42 Join webguest20 [0] (n=57fe54b8@labb.contactor.se) 11.39.16 Quit webguest20 (Client Quit) 11.39.22 Join webguest57 [0] (n=57fe54b8@labb.contactor.se) 11.39.53 Quit webguest57 (Client Quit) 11.40.25 # :'( 11.41.43 # ok, I have now implemented a new access control in the Wiki 11.42.06 # "the" new access control :-) 11.42.12 # (I already described it here) 11.42.19 # oh 11.42.28 # Zagor steals the glory... 11.42.31 # haha 11.42.37 # that's what I do best 11.42.37 # anyway, to be able to edit pages in the wiki, you must be a member of the TWikiUsersGroup 11.42.53 # any current wiki user can edit that froup 11.42.55 # group 11.44.32 # * scorche spies a remark that LinusN forgot to remove 11.44.50 # sadly..i cant edit it myself =( 11.45.39 # LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration third bullet under "Submitting the form will automatically:" needs to be removed 11.46.08 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-021.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.46.11 # Should the favourites plugin be removed now that the playlist catalog patch is in? 11.46.24 # scorche: that is still done 11.46.43 # it's added to TWikiUsers, but not TWikiUsersGroup 11.46.49 # ugh...i am horrible at night 11.47.05 # LinusN: forgive me! =P 11.47.09 # * scorche grovels 11.47.13 # :-) 11.47.50 # * scorche wonders when they will remove his ability to edit completely 11.47.51 # oh 11.47.52 # good 11.48.44 # ah? 11.48.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UserListByLocation 11.49.36 # btw, could someone with wiki access add a description how to install the fonts to the installation instructions for the different targets? 11.49.50 # LinusN or Zagor: on the registration page it says your username should be FirstLast and not FirstL or some other kind of alias and that such accounts will be deleted without notice. i see more than a couple on the TWikiUsers page.. is this the right policy? otherwise the page should be changed.. 11.50.18 # heh...i was about to say that too >_> 11.50.23 # midkay: that is our policy 11.50.33 # however, we haven't enforced it properly 11.50.39 # midkay: yeah, I spotted a few of those too. they should be removed from the group imho. 11.50.42 # guess you have some cleaning out to do.. :) 11.50.58 # ooo!...soemthing i can do! =) 11.51.09 # i sould like i am 5...i swear... 11.51.18 # and i cant type either...*sound 11.57.09 # * scorche realizes that the account should be deleted instead of just editing that page 11.57.28 # scorche: yes 11.57.49 # scorche: give me a list of users and i can delete them 12.00.21 Part tritoch 12.00.46 # so what do we need to do if someone comes in asking for wiki write access? 12.01.19 # edit the TWikiUsersGroup topic 12.02.49 # righto :) 12.03.38 # is logbot striclty a logbot? or can it do stuff like simlpe messages and stuff? (i.e give us that url when its neded so we dont have to go hnting :p ) 12.04.44 # yeah it can do various stuff. 12.04.57 # i'll explain after lunch 12.06.08 # ok 12.07.35 # hm 12.08.02 # and, i assume we dont add anyone who doesnt follow the FirstLast format? 12.08.56 # and refer their account to an admin for deletion in case they already registered i assume... 12.09.29 # is it possible to overcharge an ipod running rockbox? 12.13.44 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@p54B7E5FC.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.17.10 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.17.11 # juxtap: No, the charging is hardware-controlled. 12.17.28 # Zagor: Well, logbot still cannot do some things it's supposed to be able to... 12.17.51 # linuxstb: Supporting ipod g1 and g2 will be more work than g3 12.18.14 # (1) No PCF50605, instead several other chips 12.18.23 # (2) No USB either, only firewire 12.20.01 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 12.20.50 # amiconn: is g1 and g2 support really needed? there cant be that many still working g1,2 ipods around anymore :D 12.23.28 # amiconn: I'm not 100% sure, but maybe they only support HFS as well... 12.23.38 # IIRC, the first ipods were Mac-only. 12.23.49 Join theprodukkt [0] (n=Vito@hnvr-d9b8eba3.pool.mediaWays.net) 12.23.49 # That should be less of a problem 12.24.18 # If they use the same loader scheme with a hidden partition, we are able to inhject our bootloader 12.24.43 # The only thing is that retailos won't be able to read the data partition, but I wouldn't care 12.24.57 # But maybe the flash bootloader checks for the presence of an HFS partition. The disk will probably also need an Apple Partition Map instead of MBR (although that's straightforward to support). 12.25.25 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 12.25.38 # hi 12.25.42 # But I've only seen one request for g1/g2 support, and that was from someone who later found out his g2 ipod was dead... 12.27.10 Quit Jungti1234 () 12.28.32 Join dongs [0] (n=HPUX@i249130.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 12.30.15 # is there already last.fm support for rockbox? 12.30.29 # there is, in a patch tho 12.30.42 # where can i find it? 12.31.02 # http://rockbox.org/tracker/ 12.31.08 # * JdGordon goned 12.32.28 # what does "goned" mean? 12.32.40 # ^^ go went goned ;) 12.32.52 # is audioscrobbler = last.fm? 12.32.59 # yes 12.33.37 # audioscrobbler is the system and last.fm the frontend? right? 12.41.38 Quit Siku () 12.43.36 Quit wehn () 12.46.26 # in the scrobbler.patch file theres the following function 12.46.27 # +int scrobbler_init(void)+{+#if 0+ if(!global_settings.scrobber)+ return -1;+#endif++ scrobbler_fd = open(SCROBBLER_FILE, O_RDONLY);+ if(scrobbler_fd < 0)+ {+ scrobbler_fd = open(SCROBBLER_FILE, O_RDWR | O_CREAT);+ if(scrobbler_fd >= 0)+ {+ fdprintf(scrobbler_fd, "AUDIOSCROBBLER/%s\n", SCROBBLER_VERSION);+ close(scrobbler_fd);+ }+ else+ {+ logf("SCROBBLER: cannnot create log file");+ return -1;+ }+ }+ close(scrobbler_fd);++ audio_set_t 12.46.33 # oO format? 12.47.02 # hm i dont understand the part 12.47.16 # +#if 0 12.47.20 # + if(!global_settings.scrobber) 12.47.25 # + return -1; 12.47.31 # +#endif 12.47.50 # the #if are just instructions for the compiler right? 12.47.56 # for the preprocessor 12.48.02 # theprodukkt: it will never be compiled 12.48.13 # so what is it for? 12.48.41 # it does nothing, it may be left there as a reminder of something to do later 12.48.47 Join Siku [0] (i=Siku@dsl-kpogw4-fe52df00-45.dhcp.inet.fi) 12.49.14 # but the # commands are for the compiler, or for the preprocessor`? 12.49.28 # for the preprocessor 12.49.55 # of the target? 12.50.10 # theprodukkt: http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/cpreprocessor.html 12.50.33 # thx 12.52.40 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 12.52.51 # theprodukkt: that's a really old version of the patch - you need to scroll down to the bottom of the flyspray entry to get the latest version 12.53.12 # good to know! :) 12.53.40 # There are a whole set of options that can be used to determine whether the preprocessor will remove lines of code before handing the file to the compiler. <-- BEFORE? so its the preprocessor of the compiling machine..? 12.53.55 # yes 12.54.02 # hence the word _pre_processor 12.57.10 # yes i thought the preprocessor of the target where the binary will run on 12.57.46 # so i had a problem with dan_a: theprodukkt: it will never be compiled and safetydan: for the preprocessor 12.57.49 # there is no preprocessor on the target 12.58.00 # hey hey... I just installed Rockbox on my iPod Nano... The install was a success but when I loaded some music to my iPod to test it, I unplugged my iPod and right after that it went dark. No I can't get it started and my OS won't even recognice it as removable disc. Any hints? 12.58.02 # not? didnt know 12.58.54 # Siku: Try holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds to reset your ipod. If that doesn't work (and you haven't got the hold switch turned on), then try charging it for a while. 12.58.58 # the output of the compilation process is just binary code for the target to run 12.59.15 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 12.59.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.59.58 Join PyromancerX [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 13.00.34 # linuxstb, thank you 13.00.35 # yes, but if u think the target has a preprocessor, and further u know the compiler doesnt compile the # commands but its for the preprocessor of the target, theres a logical failure 13.00.49 # theprodukkt: The basic process is: C Program [Pre-processor]-> Pre-processed C Program [Compiler]-> Assembly Code [Assembler]-> binary object code. 13.00.55 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 13.01.03 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 13.03.03 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@p54AEEBA0.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.03.30 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.04.17 # but at least its the compiler (programm) who tells the preprocessor to handle the #commands? 13.04.56 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 13.05.38 # i mean before starting the compiler the preprocessor doesnt do anything to the code (just a .c file) and after the compiling the #commands are already interpreted not? 13.07.04 # Nice work on the iPod port guys. And thank you linuxstb again for your help :) 13.10.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-2006-07-19%2000:39:39.html <- the cvs binarys are compiled on 10 different machines? 13.10.11 # automatically? 13.10.50 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A455DC.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.16.29 Quit PyromancerX2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.18.09 # theprodukkt: yes - custom distributed build magic 13.20.35 Join l_r [0] (n=l_r@adsl-ull-57-44.46-151.net24.it) 13.20.35 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-67-175-35-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 13.20.39 # hello 13.21.16 # i have two annoying problems: rockbox (2006 07 18) does not play oggs 13.22.19 # the second problem is that i need to know how to empty / delete the current playlist. it seems it's only possible to add songs 13.23.14 # l_r: "does not play oggs"? 13.23.30 # @your 2nd problem: try pressing the stop key 13.23.36 # you can begin with telling us which player you are using 13.23.42 # this should stop the playback and delete the current playlist 13.23.47 # (works for me) 13.25.05 # LinusN, i am using rockridge.. 13.25.14 # the player that comes with it 13.25.27 # you mean the theme? 13.25.39 # ops sorry, i have an ipod nano 13.25.59 # theprodukkt, belevie me, i tried everything, it does not work 13.26.24 # what happens when you try to play an ogg file? 13.26.53 # are u using the filetree or the tagcache? 13.27.27 # the bar does not proceed . one time i also saw (ERR) just before the name of the songs in ogg variable bitrare format 13.27.34 # theprodukkt, filetree 13.28.12 # l_r: Maybe your Ogg files are broken in some way - e.g. do they have id3v2 tags? 13.28.32 # of course, the songs have been written correctly on the ipod nano, since i can play them after attaching the disk from a pc 13.28.52 # linuxstb, they have no tags 13.29.05 # i think the ERR in front of the playlist entry means, that the file cannot be found 13.29.09 # why do you want to clean the playlist? 13.29.58 # l_r: Do other types of music play OK for you in Rockbox? 13.29.59 # <_FireFly_> normaly when you select one file from the filetree the playlist gets overwritten with the selected file 13.30.19 # l_r: do you have ogginfo? 13.30.23 # becouse it only keep adding the songs. i am sorry, but the whole concept of adding/removing and playing istantly is not clear to me. also because when trying to play these oggs, it seems everything stop to work , even mp3 playback 13.30.49 # Kohlrabi, i have it on the pc, yes 13.30.59 # have you tried running it over your oggs? 13.31.06 # spend some time on rockbox and youll understand the playlist concept 13.31.09 # <_FireFly_> l_r: what does ogginfo say about the og-file 13.31.10 # linuxstb, other types , yes, from jpeg to mp3 13.31.12 # <_FireFly_> ogg-file 13.32.32 # <_FireFly_> if ogginfo reports any problems then rockbox could have problems to play the file 13.32.34 # _FireFly_, a moment 13.33.50 # hmm this is the only weird info 13.33.54 # Warning: Hole in data found at approximate offset 4500 bytes. Corrupted ogg. 13.33.59 # well 13.34.01 # it applies to every oggs 13.34.03 # so 13.34.06 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.34.07 # Every ogg is broken :( 13.34.26 # I doubt ogginfo is erroneous (sp.?) 13.34.27 # weird, since i can play them from the pc 13.34.29 # well 13.34.39 # I have oggs myself which play fine in f2k 13.34.46 # hm those xxx bytes offset remembers me the same problem with mine mp3 files! 13.34.50 # but are broken regarding to ogginfo 13.34.54 # maybe rockbox isn't as fault tolerant as your pc application 13.35.03 # probably 13.35.22 # How do you encode your files? 13.36.52 # Kohlrabi, i found them in ogg directly 13.36.58 # oh 13.37.02 # "found" them 13.37.07 # no furher questions ;) 13.37.08 # +t 13.37.29 # a friend of mine gave them to me, to be precise 13.37.44 # does this matter? 13.38.01 # proably heh 13.38.03 # l_r: it would be nice ti have one of those files for analysis 13.38.11 # i would have not failed in encoding 13.38.25 # "Sorry for the long rant. The moral of the story is this: When encoding ogg-vorbis using Grip, uncheck all the boxes in Config->ID3" 13.38.29 # LinusN, yes, where do you want me to send one 13.38.42 # seems like Grip(Lunix)+id3tags corrupt the oggs 13.38.47 # i'd like to fix them 13.38.51 # they are precious 13.39.07 # it's vivaldi (the whole estro armonico) 13.39.14 # um 13.39.15 # Well 13.39.23 # Have you tried removing the id3tags 13.39.37 # I'm pretty confident id3tags are the evildoers 13.39.41 # I googled a bit 13.39.58 # ok, i'll google for info about removing the tags 13.39.59 # l_r: i /msg:d you 13.39.59 # Which OS are you running? 13.40.04 # linux 13.40.08 # ah mkay 13.41.04 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.41.07 # <_FireFly_> l_r have you id3 installed ? 13.41.25 # _FireFly_, yes 13.41.47 # LinusN, it's sending. check it out in few secs 13.42.01 # oki 13.42.03 # <_FireFly_> hmm wait have you easytag also installed ? 13.42.17 # let me see 13.42.32 # not yet, i'll install it immediatly 13.42.44 # * linuxstb suggests "xxd file.ogg | less" to look inside it for id3 tags.. 13.42.53 # <_FireFly_> you could test with it to rewrite the tags, afaik easytag can read id3-tags from ogg-files and rewrite it in proper ogg tags 13.43.04 # cool 13.43.07 # let me try 13.44.48 # i am installing easytag 13.46.03 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.46.04 # anyway, to play a song from the file tree _istantly_ what do i have to do? whatevery configuration i try in the main menu, it keeps adding/queing the song into the playlist instead of playing it immediatly 13.46.07 # <_FireFly_> l_r: test it with an copy of one of the files first 13.46.12 # yes 13.46.30 # <_FireFly_> l_r: simply select it with the select-button to play on file 13.46.35 # hmm 13.47.08 # <_FireFly_> but i don't know which of the button is the select button on ipod 13.47.09 # okay, i'll try it after having solved the ogg prob 13.47.10 # l_r: Are you pressing and releasing the select button, or are you keeping it pressed? 13.47.20 # l_r: do you have "party mode" enabled? 13.47.26 # linuxstb, i tried both 13.47.29 # (select = centre button on ipods) 13.47.40 # PaulJam, i tried both (party mode on & off) 13.47.54 # yes, it's the button in the middle 13.47.54 # A short press and release on SELECT with party mode off should do what you want. 13.48.00 # ok 13.48.02 # i'll try 13.48.34 # party has to be off 13.48.34 # A long press on SELECT will bring up the context menu, giving you options to insert that file/folder in the playlist in various different ways. 13.50.31 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.51.13 Join [San] [0] (n=San@213-202-168-180.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 13.51.37 # LinusN, the file has been sent 13.55.19 # ok 13.55.26 # i rewrote the tags in every ogg 13.55.31 # this easytag is really handy 13.55.45 # now, i'll copy the file in the ipod and try 13.56.06 # the waring message has dsappeared 13.56.15 # good for you :D 13.57.16 Quit [San] () 14.00.52 # yeah!! 14.00.55 # it works 14.01.02 # <_FireFly_> ;) 14.01.04 # thanks! 14.01.19 # immediate playback works as well 14.01.33 # <_FireFly_> now you should say you friend that he shouldn't add id3-tags to ogg-files ;) 14.01.41 # <_FireFly_> s/you/your 14.01.45 # ineed 14.03.19 Join thprdkkt [0] (n=Vito@hnvr-d9b8ebb3.pool.mediaWays.net) 14.03.30 Part thprdkkt 14.04.22 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 14.04.42 # when playback is paused and I select a song, playback remains paused. is there a way to set it to automatically unpause? 14.04.45 # now, ok..the last problem.. now i am in the playlist menu. i can see the "current play list". suppose i want to empty this list or delete a song from the list, what do i have to do? 14.05.18 # <_FireFly_> to delete one entry hold long the select button 14.05.22 # <_FireFly_> to get the menu 14.05.37 # right. to delete all the entries? 14.05.37 # <_FireFly_> to delete, reorder and some more actions 14.05.44 # ok 14.05.50 # let me see 14.06.15 # ok, this works for a single entry. what about all the entries? 14.07.05 # if you stop playback, the playlist gets cleared. 14.07.56 Quit Sanitarium (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.08.06 # The playlist gets cleared either at the end (if repeat is off), or if you start a new list 14.08.22 # <_FireFly_> or stop playback 14.08.53 # rather, if you stop playback, the list is cleared when you add something else 14.09.04 # _FireFly_: Just stopping doesn't clear the playlist 14.09.11 # ok 14.09.13 # Otherwise it would be impossible to resume 14.09.14 # thanks 14.09.16 Quit theprodukkt (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 14.09.24 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: ah right 14.14.48 # notice to manual contributors: it seems that Figure 3.1 (The main menu)'s picture for h300 builds is damaged 14.16.52 # emm..sorry for the stupid question. but i can't figure out how to "stop" the playback. when playing and pressing the Pause button, the playback stops, yes, but it's in pause mode and list is not cleared after adding something else.. 14.17.38 # On the ipods, "stop" is a long press on PLAY/PAUSE. 14.17.48 # Apple decided you wouldn't need a stop button.... 14.17.58 # oh..interesting 14.18.00 # :) 14.18.38 # cool, now i know everything to enjoy my ipod 14.18.57 # see you guys, keep up the good work, many thanks 14.19.32 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-124-247.dsl.pipex.com) 14.19.54 Part l_r ("Leaving") 14.27.08 Quit FOAD_ ("I'll be back") 14.29.52 Join EmSixTeen [0] (n=EmSixTee@ACD6CC93.ipt.aol.com) 14.30.49 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 14.31.39 # How can I get MP3s to play without skipping on the 3g iPod? I'm guessing it won't be easy 14.32.37 # At the moment the only things I can see are to overclock it (in system.c) or to try to push some things onto the coprocessor 14.32.46 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 14.33.51 # The PP5002 is rated up to 90MHz I think, so technically you won't be overclocking it. But you will need to make sure your ipod doesn't overheat if you run it at a high speed for a long time. 14.34.47 # The PP502x ipods (and irivers and iaudio) have CPU scaling implemented - where Rockbox switches between "idle", "normal" and "boosted" CPU speeds. This isn't implemented on the 3g yet, but could be useful. 14.35.29 # I've had a quick look at that code, and I'll try to get something similar on the 3g 14.36.08 # Apart from using the co-processor, the other option is "simply" to optimise the MP3 decoder. You have two things to try - 1) Optimising the use of the 96KB of fast internal RAM (IRAM); 2) ASM optimisations. 14.36.57 # The codecs desperately need optimising for the other ipods as well, so you're not on your own. 14.37.39 # I'll have a look at those. I think it will be beyond my abilities, but we'll see. 14.39.15 Quit EmSixTeen () 14.40.28 # Are there any examples of where the use of the IRAM has been optimised, so I can see what sort of things to do? 14.43.30 # It's already being used for the iriver (and 4g ipods), so maybe there's not much that can be improved in that area. All the codecs have 48KB of IRAM to use - and can put a mixture of code and data in there. 14.44.02 # Have you tried Ogg vorbis yet? 14.44.22 # On the later ipods, the vorbis decoder is faster than MP3. 14.45.42 # BTW, have you tried ipodlinux on your 3g? If so, how was audio playback? (they use different codecs to Rockbox). 14.45.49 # I get about as many underruns with a 128kbps VBR OGG as I do with a 128kbps MP3 14.46.33 # And no, I've not tried IPL yet 14.55.00 # This seems like a dumb question, but... where is the MP3 codec? I can't find it! 14.55.04 # if the 3g doesn't do boosting yet I can imagine playback is chopped 14.55.19 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.56.25 # a friend of mine has the gp2x and is complaining about no decent mp3 player for it, so seen as it can do sdl, is it just a matter of getting the sim to compile using the arm compiler and fix some key defines? 14.56.40 # petur: Huh? The g3 not doing boosting means it's _always_ running at maximum clock 14.56.58 # could it be "ported" as easily as any other target, just it would always use the simulator settings 14.56.58 # ah, right 14.57.58 # JdGordon, i've been thinking (a little) of buying the GP2X myself too, being able to run rockbox would definitely be cool 14.58.36 # although i suppose GP2X is kind of too big for a portable player, but anyway 14.59.21 # well, its more a game thing that might be good for rb, even tho its only got 1gb storage which is puny :p 14.59.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.00.06 # well, it uses SD cards... 15.00.22 # they're pretty cheap nowadays :) 15.00.52 # dan_a: All the codecs are in apps/codecs/ - apps/codecs/mpa.c is the MPEG audio (layers 1, 2 and 3) decoder, which in turn uses apps/codecs/libmad/ 15.03.14 # linuxstb: Ah, thanks! I was looking for mp3.c, and I'd got mpa mixed up with m4a. 15.03.40 # m4a is aac.c :) 15.03.45 # it's sort of annoying that there are commercial mp3 decoders that claim to run at full speed on 10mhz arm cpus 15.03.49 # (and alac.c - they both use the .m4a extension) 15.04.03 # Yes, but what kind of ARMs? 15.04.47 # Someone pay preglow to spend 3 months optimising libmad... 15.05.53 # heh, not sure, but i think one of them said arm7, that might not have been the one claiming to run at 10mhz though 15.09.11 # dan_a: I've just committed your ASM fiq handler. 15.09.56 # linuxstb: Thanks - did you check it doesn't break on other ports first? 15.11.14 # Yes, I tested on my Color before committing. But the code looked harmless anyway - all your changes were within #if CONFIG_CPU == PP5002. 15.13.20 # Thanks 15.14.43 # The CVS bulids page still needs a download link for the 3g at the bottom?? 15.15.08 # I need to get around to learning how to program at some point... 15.15.42 Join KylePV [0] (n=c9ee6906@labb.contactor.se) 15.15.55 # obo: Yes. But Bagder doesn't seem to be around... 15.20.10 # dan_a, sounds work on 3g ? 15.20.44 # slimx: They do. Wav and flac plays perfectly, but there's skipping on anything else 15.21.22 # thx dan_a 15.21.37 Quit darkless (No route to host) 15.21.45 # I was away for months 15.22.06 # and i did not succeeded to play anything on my 3g 15.22.34 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-64-123-189-117.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 15.22.38 # some workaround might had been written against the audio driver 15.22.41 # so .. 15.22.45 # It was basically working 15.22.58 # really ? 15.23.04 # thats odd 15.23.39 Join senab [0] (i=senab@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.23.46 # good news 15.23.53 # Yes... linuxstb can explain the details, but there was one line in the code that shouldn't have been there 15.24.00 # i'll try a new build tonight 15.24.12 # afternoon people 15.24.31 # can i ask some of u knowledgable people a question 15.24.37 # i'll be happy to know which one 15.24.46 # i've spent times on it 15.25.05 # * amiconn would expect shorten to play ok on g3 as well, maybe also alac 15.25.06 # <_FireFly_> senab: simply ask 15.25.35 # Oh, and surely aiff won't skip 15.25.39 # slimx: The patch that fixed audio is here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/crt0.S.diff?r1=1.73&r2=1.74 15.26.13 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.26.16 Join dongs_ [0] (n=HPUX@b148076.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 15.26.21 # amiconn: You're almost certainly right 15.26.24 # lol, basically i know it's got probably got nothing to do with u lot, but patch 5234 doesn't work for nano and was wondering what was needed to get it working for it 15.26.33 # thx LinusN 15.26.39 # thx linuxstb 15.26.41 # :p 15.27.06 # dan_a: Did you try ac3 yet? 15.27.23 # No, just wav, flac, ogg and mp3 15.27.25 # if u look (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5234) HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS has been defined in 'firmware/export/config-ipodvideo.h' 15.27.54 # so i was thinking is it just a simple case of defining it in firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h 15.28.11 # I knew there was something to do around this file :) 15.28.12 # dan_a: [15:20:45] slimx: They do. Wav and flac plays perfectly, but there's skipping on anything else <= I was referring to this 15.29.23 Quit dongs (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.29.32 # SID would probably be OK as well... 15.29.35 # amiconn: Apologies, I was assuming that all the other codecs would be a lot heavier than wav and flac 15.29.43 # dan_a: Check here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status 15.30.14 # Maybe it's a good idea to add a column "realtime on ipod <= g3" 15.31.18 # Afaiu, the only codecs which are computationally heavier than mp3 are vorbis, musepack and aac 15.32.14 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.32.22 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 15.32.22 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 15.33.45 # I'll try and get test files for all the codecs and see which ones can decode in realtime 15.34.02 # :) only 1 more patch for multi screen support in most of the gui now to be commited... cough cough 15.34.22 # JdGordon which one ? 15.34.35 # for the color chooser 15.34.39 # 1 min, ill linky 15.35.25 # dan_a: You can find some testfiles here: http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/soundfiles/ 15.35.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5584 15.35.51 # No ac3 though 15.36.59 # There's a few missing..... Who wants to make a SID version ? :) 15.37.08 Join deltron [0] (i=ryan@24-207-133-89.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 15.38.03 # anyone have an issue where you are browsing folders and rockbox locks up? 15.38.12 # it's always on the same folder for me 15.38.18 Quit earHertz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.38.24 # but I can browse past it if I start playing music first 15.38.47 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.39.41 # deltron: does the folder has 1000+ files in it? 15.40.05 # nope 15.40.17 # the folder name is kinda long 15.40.28 Quit senab (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 15.41.06 # i'm using yesterday's daily build 15.41.44 # "jello biafra & the melvins - never breathe what you can't see (2004)" 15.41.48 # that's the folder name 15.41.54 # \music\jello biafra & the melvins - never breathe what you can't see (2004) 15.42.36 # does it freeze when u go into the folder? or when that folder starts scrolling in the browser? or when? 15.43.13 # I'm scrolling in the music folder, it's when I try and scroll past that particular folder 15.43.32 # Jello Biafra... nice music choice 15.43.36 # :D 15.44.14 Quit obo ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.44.14 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.44.14 Quit KylePV ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.44.19 Join obo [0] (n=c38119cd@labb.contactor.se) 15.44.31 # ye, i tihnk its a bug in the scrolling code, for some reason it doesnt like long lines, but it should be able to cope with them, so i dunno 15.44.35 # rename the folder :p 15.44.47 # doing now :) 15.45.49 # <_FireFly_> linuxstb: here you can find some sid-tunes : http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e9426444/ 15.46.29 # should I bother filing a bug report? 15.46.52 # just make sure there isnt one already... 15.47.04 # yeah, i'm searching now 15.47.19 # linuxstb: I've made quite a lot of sidtunes if you want some 15.47.29 # its wierd it crashes on that, because the scroll code should be able to work with lines >250chars and that one is <100 15.47.38 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 15.47.54 # _FireFly_: Thanks, but I've got the HVSC already... I was joking about someone composing the iriver song in SID. 15.48.03 # <_FireFly_> ;) 15.48.17 # A job for Zagor... 15.48.27 # Bg3r: amiconn: Linu*: Zagor: anyone want to commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5584 so we can close a task on fs? 15.49.14 # linuxstb: next up is a player for vic20 tracks. I've actually written one for it too... 15.49.22 Quit obo ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.49.32 # It's been a long time since we saw a Rockbox commit from you.... 15.49.40 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.50.44 # yes, I've been away quite a while. hopefully things will change a bit now that I've moved to a new house, so my kid isn't sleeping in the computer room any more... 15.51.10 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp51-13.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.51.21 # wow 15.51.38 # I lost my interent connection for 2 days and look what happened! 15.51.45 # I don't see this bug anywhere for the ipod... 15.51.54 # I see a similar one for an h100 15.51.59 # JdGordon: Regarding your color-picker patch, I don't like the way you're testing for SCREEN_MAIN instead of characteristics of the screen. Maybe the full color-picker will work on the X5's larger remote (I forget it's dimensions though) 15.52.26 # 128x96 15.52.51 # oohh... colour remote? ok, ill fix it.. *grumbles* 15.53.30 # I think it's 2bpp, not colour. But it's larger than the other remotes. 15.53.32 # to upgrade rockbox, I just need to unzip the zip on the device right? 15.54.13 # deltron: Very few bugs will be specific to one player - if you've found a bug on your ipod that someone else has reported on an iriver, just add a comment to the bug report saying so. 15.55.02 # ah 15.55.04 # ok 15.55.10 # deltron: And yes to your upgrade question. 15.56.12 # thanks 15.58.29 # yes, 2bpp greyscal 15.58.31 # e 16.03.17 Join KylePV [0] (n=c9ee6906@labb.contactor.se) 16.04.51 Join leftright [0] (n=leftrigh@cd4406110.cable.wanadoo.nl) 16.05.12 # linuxstb: good thing u wouldnt commit it :) ive just fixed it up, much better now, the remote can actually display all 3 bars with the default font, and it now shows all 3 unless the ffont is too large it will only show 1 16.06.06 # Sounds good... I don't have any colour devices with remotes to test it though. But I guess I could try the sim. 16.06.21 Quit Nilisco ("changing servers") 16.07.01 # thats where i tried it 16.07.06 # looks good in the sim :) 16.07.15 # updated the fs page 16.07.51 Part LinusN 16.15.10 Join Nilisco [0] (n=Nilisco@nxpe.com) 16.16.52 # FYI: I have now activated caching in twiki. it's now blisteringly fast, but some dynamic pages (such as index pages) may become slightly outdated. I'm looking at fixes for that. 16.16.57 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dyn-62-56-98-217.dslaccess.co.uk) 16.17.49 Quit Nilisco ("changing servers") 16.18.52 # Zagor: Are you able to add the ipod 3g to the table at the bottom of the CVS build table? (or do you know if Bagder is around?) 16.19.29 # Bagder added the 3g to the CVS builds, but forgot to update that table. 16.19.46 # right. I'll look at it. Bagder is on vacation and only reads mail. 16.22.27 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 16.24.30 # petur: are you going to do the AGC patch then? 16.24.49 # no time at all I fear :( 16.25.09 # and I'm away from all hi-tech next week (holiday) 16.25.12 # You should get redundant like me! 16.25.33 # no chance here 16.25.50 # workload is going to get worse next months :/ 16.26.32 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 16.26.48 # oh dear...that doesn't sound good....Maybe I'll try to fathom the AGC patch then... 16.27.15 # I haven't checked the code, just used it until now ;) 16.27.30 # same here..could be a big job eh? 16.27.48 # not really 16.28.32 # I can try tonight or tomorrow night but I must get some sleep if I'm to drive a car on friday the whole day 16.28.58 # ok, you can sleep tomorrow night then! ;) 16.29.43 # I don't expect any problems, jvo produces good code ;) 16.30.23 # petur: what about USB OTG :p 16.30.56 # good point. next month I'll have a look :p 16.31.02 # linuxstb: if I did the right change, 3g will appear after next build 16.31.39 # petur: next month? you've got all night! :D 16.31.46 # Zagor: Thanks - I just made a commit... 16.31.55 # (JDGordon's color-picker patch) 16.32.08 # yay! :) 16.32.20 # hmm 16.32.37 # what causes php to take up insane amounts of memory? i thought there were things to prevent that 16.33.07 # chendo: last I looked, rockbox didn't run php 16.33.26 # oh bleh 16.33.28 # wrong channel 16.34.30 # Zagor: The 3g build has appeared... 16.34.43 # excellent 16.40.00 # JdGordon: i renamed the folder and it can browse past it. 16.40.19 # :) 16.42.21 # and submitted a bug report 16.42.25 # well, added onto one 16.43.40 # does the tagcache need to be recreated everytime you update rockbox? or am o doing something wrong? 16.43.59 # linuxstb: Warnings... 16.44.09 Quit KylePV ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.44.20 # * JdGordon runs for cover 16.45.16 # * petur finds JdGordon and drags him back 16.45.22 # hehe 16.49.49 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.50.22 # deltron: I'm not sure that the bugreport you commented on is the same bug 16.50.45 # ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5354#comment8968 ) 16.50.46 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 16.53.39 Quit dan_a (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16.53.45 Join theproduk [0] (n=kvirc@hnvr-d9b8eabd.pool.mediaWays.net) 16.53.56 # hey all 16.53.56 # * linuxstb looks around for JdGordon.... 16.54.12 # yeah, seemed the same problem 16.54.24 # deltron: no it's not 16.54.44 # ok 16.54.47 # the bugreport is about hanging on a large playlist 16.55.03 # not related to the names in it 16.55.03 # doh 16.55.30 # i'll submit a new one. 16.55.34 # yes 16.55.58 # and also include the complete name that caused the crash 16.56.11 # yeah 16.56.12 # will do 16.56.36 # it would always lock up right before I got to that folder 16.56.41 # so I assume it was that folder 16.57.02 # all info is welcome 16.57.23 # I'll put in a directory listing in the attachment 16.57.35 # don't blame me for my bad taste in music ;) 16.58.03 # * petur is a DK fan ;) 16.59.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.03.34 # linuxstb: amiconn scared him away 17.03.36 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 17.04.58 # hi all 17.06.01 # * petur will be in Austria friday evening, but not coding :) 17.06.42 # petur: ah.. what are you doing in Austria? 17.06.56 # hiking in the mountains 17.07.28 # * linuxstb makes yet another oops commit... 17.07.36 # wow... i thought you are goging to the Festspiele in Bregenz 17.08.44 # i need help with a patch i want to commit: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5474 - is this the best place to define MIN_CONTRAST_SETTING, MAX_CONTRAST_SETTING,...? 17.09.47 # PaulJam: only when tagcache header version number changes 17.10.01 # PaulJam: and it has changed often in the past few days 17.10.11 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.12.33 # Slasheri: thanks for the info, then i should propably try with a clean cvs version. on my patched build it seems to get reset on every update. 17.12.43 # petur: what would you consider the category of bug report? 17.12.51 Join Mmmm_ [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 17.13.59 # deltron: user interface (until it's clear what causes it) 17.14.34 Join Nilisco [0] (i=nilisco@24.206.185.12) 17.15.27 # ok 17.15.41 Quit Mmmm_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.16.58 Join Mmmm_ [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 17.18.39 Quit theproduk ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 17.19.07 Quit austriancoder ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 17.23.57 Quit mirak (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.29.09 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3035.gwdg.de) 17.29.48 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 17.29.53 Quit Mmmm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.29.55 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3035.gwdg.de) 17.31.03 Quit FOAD ("Lost terminal") 17.32.10 Join dan_a [0] (i=dan_a@217.23.160.38) 17.32.36 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 17.33.26 Quit Mmmm_ ("Byeee") 17.33.35 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 17.34.01 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 17.35.44 # ok, submitted bug report 17.37.04 Quit Pons (Connection reset by peer) 17.40.04 Nick Mmmm is now known as Mmmm_ (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 17.40.11 Nick Mmmm_ is now known as Mmmm (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 17.44.21 # Looking at the audio drivers, we have the uda1380_* functions, an identical set of wmcodec_* functions (for ipods) and tlv320_* functions for the X5... I think it would make sense to rename all these to have a common prefix, but I'm not sure what prefix to give them... 17.45.33 # e.g. we have uda1380_mute(), wmcodec_mute() and tlv1380_mute() and we use #ifdefs in pcm_playback.c to decide which to call (with identical arguments)... 17.46.40 # if the signatures are identical, it makes sense to give them identical names 17.46.52 # linuxstb: Something like audiohw_*? 17.46.59 # audiohw_ maybe? <- i just typed that too 17.47.03 # The obvious name is just "codec_mute()", but that may be confused with the software libraries - and we already have codecs.h 17.47.14 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.47.14 # 1 point for intuitive name 17.47.49 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 17.48.53 # Slasheri: can it be that the tagcache gets reset if you do a rolo after disconnecting from usb while the disk is still spinning? 17.49.14 # audiohw_ sounds reasonable to me... But I'll wait and see what people who read this in the logs suggest. 17.49.37 # reading irclogs sounds like a boring pastime 17.49.43 # I'm all for it 17.49.52 # the name, not reading the logs ;) 17.50.53 # PaulJam: yes, if tagcache is set to be loaded ram / autoupdate is enabled, that will corrupt the database files 17.51.00 # because rolo doesn't do a clean shutdown 17.51.31 # ah, this explains my problems then, thanks :) 17.51.34 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 17.54.29 # so if i do a manual shutdown/restart instead of rolo or wait until the disk stops spinning after updating the tagcache will stay intact? 17.54.44 # PaulJam: yes, it should 17.54.55 # ok 17.55.21 # does rockbox now use the hardware decoder on the iPod? 17.55.32 Quit Nilisco ("changing servers") 17.55.51 # deltron: There isn't a hardware decoder as such. Are you talking about the Broadcom chip used for video decoding? 17.56.21 # hmm 17.56.30 # not sure, I know you can't use the video chip yet 17.57.01 Join Deltastar [0] (n=dany@31.36-201-80.adsl.skynet.be) 17.57.09 # The ipods just have a general-purpose ARM CPU (well, two of them). 17.57.49 Join bluebrother [0] (i=mxFZ5w6m@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.58.12 Join Nilisco [0] (i=nilisco@nxpe.com) 17.58.15 # *nods* 17.58.29 Part Deltastar 18.01.06 # maybe this is a silly question, but is there a special reason why rolo doesn't do a clean shutdown? 18.02.55 Quit petur ("eow") 18.04.33 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 18.05.49 Quit Slasheri (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.07.50 Join Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 18.08.36 Join AM [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 18.08.39 Quit AM (Client Quit) 18.08.44 Join A_M [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 18.10.18 Quit Nilisco ("changing servers") 18.12.14 # hmm, this is strange, i can't zoom some jpegs anymore while music is playing 18.12.37 # and you could before? 18.13.58 Join Nilisco [0] (i=nilisco@24.206.185.12) 18.14.08 # yes, i beliebe i could. and i still can zoom other jpegs that are bigger in both, filesize and picturesize. 18.18.09 Quit Nilisco ("changing servers") 18.19.58 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 18.21.16 Quit joe2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.25.04 Join Nilisco [0] (i=nilisco@nxpe.com) 18.26.05 Quit slimx ("Leaving") 18.28.42 Quit A_M ("CGI:IRC") 18.29.08 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 18.29.32 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081CB15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.34.53 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@host217-42-183-128.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 18.37.11 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-17-211.dyn.iinet.net.au) 18.39.01 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549300E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.39.59 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 18.40.44 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.46.20 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-36-229.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.51.37 # can somebody help me on a makefile? 18.51.58 # I'm trying to understand the makefile that got generated when configuring rockbox to produce a manual. 18.55.01 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 18.55.02 # "all" should build rockbox as far as I understand from the Makefile, but it generates the manual. 18.56.15 Quit Nico_P () 18.58.22 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-17-211.dyn.iinet.net.au) 18.58.47 # bluebrother: Are you looking at the Makefile in your manual build directory? (e.g. rockbox-devel/build-manual/Makefile) ? 18.58.55 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 18.59.03 # linuxstb, yes. 18.59.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.59.58 # The all: rule runs two Make commands - the first is run in the $(FIRMDIR) directory. If you look near the start of the Makefile, this is defined to be $(ROOTDIR)/manual/platform 19.00.26 # The second runes Make in the APPSDIR - defined to be $(ROOTDIR)/manual 19.01.28 # aaah -- that was the point I've missed. 19.04.15 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 19.05.29 Quit PaulJam (".") 19.10.05 Part leftright 19.15.23 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549669CE.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.20.22 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.20.24 Join danbert [0] (n=dan-mirc@83.218.10.68) 19.21.34 Nick jborn_ is now known as JoeBorn (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 19.22.53 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.28.28 Quit lukaswayne9 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.30.39 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 19.38.41 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-69-220-68-157.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 19.39.47 # Imho RoLo should do a clean shutdown, as should the USB reboot on iPod 19.40.07 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 19.40.37 # There's no special reason RoLo doesn't do a clean shutdown, probably because RoLo was there before the clean shutdown idea, and clean shutdown is implemented in a little weird way 19.42.43 # * linuxstb puts his hand up in agreement 19.47.38 Quit danbert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.49.30 Join senab [0] (i=HydraIRC@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.53.00 # hrrrmph! 19.53.33 # Bagder/Zagor/LinusN: Please configure byzantium.homedns.org not to receive SH1 builds 19.53.52 # Outdated gcc --> red builds 19.58.01 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 20.01.24 Quit senab (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 20.01.30 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.01.33 # * linuxstb wonders if the builds have hung... 20.03.34 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.04.40 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeeps@c-71-202-85-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 20.07.09 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 20.08.46 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-17-211.dyn.iinet.net.au) 20.13.08 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 20.17.58 # something is strange with the wiki ... 20.17.58 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.18.44 # is some server admin around? I just edited a page (LatexGuidelines) and the wiki claims this has been done by BjornStenberg 20.18.49 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.18.59 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 20.19.02 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.19.47 # The build system has hung as well.... 20.25.16 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.37.33 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 20.48.53 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 20.49.02 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEEBA0.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.55.28 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 20.59.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.00.45 Quit Mikachu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.00.57 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 21.06.33 # Slasheri: does tagcache also get erased when you use bootloader usb mode to put music on the device? (tagcache in ram and auto-update are enabled) 21.08.25 # PaulJam: no, it should get updated 21.08.44 # hello 21.09.46 # hmm, then i wonder why it didn't work. 21.13.04 Join verbarw [0] (n=benacool@Toronto-HSE-ppp3750445.sympatico.ca) 21.15.27 # how should we generate the html manual? Create a zip file? Or just a folder? 21.16.09 # folder would be good enough i guess (except if you want to move it arround) 21.16.13 # Both. Create a folder first, and have another target (e.g. htmlzip) to zip that folder. 21.17.58 # now I just need to generate a list of all needed screenshot images. 21.24.26 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 21.24.49 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 21.25.23 # bluebrother: u there? 21.25.29 # yes. 21.25.33 Quit markun (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.25.42 # i saw that you had wiki problems 21.26.34 # yes. It worked but got assigned to Björn which seems strange to me. 21.26.37 # try to shut down your browser and edit the page again 21.26.52 # I already tried that. Do you think I should do it again? 21.27.12 # did you have to log in to edit it? 21.27.22 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 21.27.34 Quit Ironhand (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.28.33 # yes. When clicking edit I get a prompt to log in. 21.28.55 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.28.57 # ok, and then it still thinks you are BjornStenberg? 21.28.59 # the edit window shows this line below: 21.29.01 # -- Main.BjornStenberg - 19 Jul 2006 <== Your signature for easy copy and paste (triple click to select) 21.29.06 # wow 21.29.21 Join Ironhand [0] (i=arjen@meek.xs4all.nl) 21.29.37 # but I'm pretty sure I'm not Björn 21.30.15 # (in real life, I mean) 21.31.14 Quit bondolo (Excess Flood) 21.32.15 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 21.32.25 Join SpeedEvil [0] (n=SpeedEvi@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) 21.32.33 Part SpeedEvil 21.33.16 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.34.34 # LinusN: Can you help with the build system? The last build seems to have hung. 21.34.55 # linuxstb: hang on, busy atm 21.35.49 Quit HCl (No route to host) 21.35.51 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 21.35.56 Join lsduser [0] (n=lysergic@unaffiliated/lsduser) 21.35.58 # howdy 21.36.18 # linuxstb: how's the heat? ;) 21.36.37 # * linuxstb_ is withering away... 21.37.04 # I just can't sit at my desk, it's getting all wet 21.37.10 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.37.16 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.38.04 # how about an aircon? 21.38.35 # is rockbox that big of a pain to install? 21.38.47 # no 21.39.02 # lsduser: What are wanting to install it on? 21.39.18 # once its installed can I just mv media onto it? 21.39.42 # i have a 60gb ipod photo that i wouldnt mind having in ext3 while still being able to play music 21.39.54 # Rockbox won't read an ext3 partition. 21.39.56 Join lowlight [0] (n=c730180a@labb.contactor.se) 21.40.06 # what format is it? 21.40.07 # (only FAT32) 21.40.41 # well thats not that bad anyways i guess.. isnt rockbox a linux distro though? 21.40.45 # or is it just the firmware 21.40.58 # it's a firmware. 21.41.00 # No, it's nothing to do with Linux. It's an mp3 player firmware written from scratch. 21.41.18 # if you want linux you need to go to ipodlinux.org ;-) 21.41.26 # anyone with ape-tagged files care to test this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5684 21.41.27 # does it work as good as mac's firmware? 21.41.43 # In some ways better, in some ways worse. 21.41.45 Quit alberink (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.41.47 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.41.48 # sability? 21.41.53 # er.. stability heh 21.43.05 # well once its in fat32 does it screw around with the stuff you upload to it like apples or does it keep it so you can transfer it whever you want 21.43.07 # In general it's stable, but there seems to be a bug causing the occasional freeze on 4g greyscale and (unfortunately for you) Photos. But hopefully we'll find it soon (I've got a 60GB Photo). 21.43.37 # do you have any experience with ipod linux? 21.44.15 # As a user, very little. But I've looked at their code a great deal (it's the inspiration for the Rockbox port to ipods). 21.44.31 Part Ironhand 21.45.50 # how serious is this photo bug? 21.46.18 # Not that serious - I still use Rockbox on my Photo (and only Rockbox). 21.46.45 # what happens? 21.47.29 # with the bug I mean?? also does it use batteries quicker than apples firmware?? for a while I had wikipedia on my ipod and whenever i used it it would eat up all my resources 21.47.31 # As I said, it just freezes... People have reported that it generally happens after an hour of playback. I _sometimes_ experience a freeze after about 10 minutes of playback, but sometimes it works fine. 21.47.33 # er.. battery sorry 21.48.18 # See here for some runtime tests on various ipods: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime 21.49.04 # thx 21.49.05 # But I think the ones for the 4G and Photo/Color are before some improvements were made, so it should be slightly better now. 21.49.46 # But Rockbox on the ipods is new, and there's been no ipod-specific development for the last 3 months due to a feature-freeze. 21.50.01 # So development is just picking up again now (I hope). 21.50.58 # As a guide to what Rockbox is, you could browse the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 21.51.09 # But I've got to go now. Bye. 21.51.17 # linuxstb, wait 21.51.19 # it's not bad at all on my 5G 21.51.41 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.51.45 # you know where i can find adapters for ipods to allow a line-in? 21.53.32 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 21.53.33 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.54.26 # dionoea: you need to update plugin api version in plugin.h when adding new functions 21.54.59 # even if i'm appending ? 21.55.08 # arr .... nevermind 21.56.21 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.56.40 # juxtap: I don't know of anyone selling simple adapters commercially. As I mentioned in IRC last night, here's a commercial microphone/line-in adapter for the 5g: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1989254,00.asp 21.57.02 # man i have heartburn real bad 21.57.16 # hmm 21.57.28 # that's weird, I thought it didn't have the capability of recording.. 21.58.29 # deltron: Yes, some ipods (I think all apart from the mini and Nano) can record at up to 24-bit/96KHz. It's just that the line-in is hidden in the dock connector, and Apple's firmware doesn't support it. 21.59.18 # Although the right-channel of the headphone connector also doubles as a mono line/mic-in. 22.00.28 Join bondolo_ [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 22.01.12 Quit bondolo (Nick collision from services.) 22.01.22 Nick bondolo_ is now known as bondolo (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 22.02.54 # hmm, just how the heck does it record? records it straight to mp3 from the device I guess 22.03.36 # I mean, that'd be more simple 22.04.34 # It's just a normal DAC that gives you uncompressed PCM data. So any encoding would need to be done on the CPU. 22.04.44 # I mean ADC. 22.05.01 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 22.05.35 # linuxstb: Iiuc the g1 and g2 ipods also can't record 22.05.50 # g3, g4 and g5 should be able to 22.06.23 # Given how long the g3 port has taken, I'ld be surprised if Rockbox ever makes it to the g1 and g2. 22.07.06 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 22.07.20 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@p54B7E5FC.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.13.41 Join theprodukkt [0] (n=Alex@hnvr-d9b8eab5.pool.mediaWays.net) 22.14.35 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.04 # there is no easy way to build rockbox on windows, is it? 22.15.11 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 22.16.36 # theprodukkt: i think the vmware image is more or less easy to use. 22.17.35 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC") 22.17.50 # maybe, but i just have isdn 22.17.54 # theprodukkt: There are three ways - Cygwin, vmware and colinux. 22.18.09 # it takes long to download linux stuff :( 22.18.29 # colinux? 22.18.34 # whats that 22.18.49 # vmware <3 22.19.33 # oh sry 22.19.38 # forgot about looking in the wiki 22.19.50 # it would help me :) 22.20.59 Join lowlight [0] (n=c730180a@labb.contactor.se) 22.21.35 Quit lsduser ("Leaving") 22.22.30 # how big will the cygwin environment be? 22.24.03 Join Pons [0] (n=pons@unaffiliated/pons) 22.24.12 # guys, why does rockbox doesn't allow me to run doom 22.24.26 # (me too, he sais hes missing a file) 22.24.30 # saying Missing base WAD 22.25.30 # btw: could you do a doom 3 port ;) 22.25.33 # i think when i installed cygwin, it downloaded ~118MiB of additional stuff while installing. 22.25.37 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3471.0 22.25.45 # omg, shit 22.25.48 # thats not good 4 me 22.26.16 # * ender` yawns 22.26.21 # amiconn: pardon me being lazy, what's the recording gain resolution on Archos? 22.26.47 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54874AC9.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.26.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom 22.28.27 # [Wednesday 22:18:31] linuxstb: theprodukkt: There are three ways - Cygwin, vmware and colinux. 22.28.32 # ^^ well i know another solution 22.28.40 # the cvs build server ;) 22.28.45 # just give me access :) 22.29.18 # on which ports are the machines listening for rbclient? 22.30.02 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC") 22.30.35 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 22.30.39 # hum, are the CVS builds frozen ? 22.30.57 # yes 22.31.14 # the builds system isn't used to all the updates anymore 22.31.29 # it catched a cold from the long feature freeze 22.31.36 # ^^ 22.31.41 # :) 22.33.16 # does the system work like that?: on the one hand there are the compiler-servers who get the cvs and compile it for specific platforms and on the other theres 1 server which manages the compilers 22.33.33 # almost 22.33.48 # builds are handed out to the individual servers 22.34.00 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.34.02 # and the main build server does some itself too 22.34.56 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-17-211.dyn.iinet.net.au) 22.35.30 # its improbable that all 11 server crash i think so it could be the problem of the "hand-out-server" 22.35.52 # bluebrother: could you try again to edit a topic? 22.35.53 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45AD0.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.36.23 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.36.28 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 22.36.32 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.36.43 # how is the information (in 4mins 38secs) showed on the page? 22.37.13 # some kind of mean of previous builds i guess 22.37.31 # i mean how did u integrate that information so that the webserver can apply it 22.38.09 # what do you mean? it just totals the time from when builds are first handed out to when they're all done.. 22.38.36 # but how does the server (apache, ... ) get those informations 22.38.52 # it doesn't get them, it generates them - i'd think. 22.39.03 # if it hands them out and it retrieves them all, it can itself simply calculate the time. 22.39.52 # communication problem :/ 22.40.09 # theprodukkt: server side scripting 22.40.14 # ^^ 22.40.45 # how does it work 22.41.30 # i just know php and cannot imagine a way to show informations from other applications 22.42.07 # It's just a Perl script which (I'm guessing) runs in the background on the server, and generates the cvs.shtml page just as a static page on the server. 22.42.09 Nick theprodukkt is now known as dumbkid (n=Alex@hnvr-d9b8eab5.pool.mediaWays.net) 22.42.41 # ^^ sounds logical 22.42.51 # i expected something like that... 22.42.55 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.43.29 # yes, the build script creates the html pages 22.43.29 # ah, some good soul kicked the build server 22.43.43 # * LinusN <- good soul 22.43.57 # * petur guessed that ;) 22.44.59 # i dont see any builds without compilation errors/warnings.. whats the matter for that? 22.45.22 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 22.45.48 # shouldnt they be fixed? 22.46.25 # They are warnings introduced in newer versions of gcc (4.1 I think). But yes, they should be fixed. 22.48.12 # it's amiconn's server that has the newer gcc 22.48.39 # Christi too I think 22.48.49 # meybe we should disable sim builds on his server for now, until we feel ready to deal with the warnings 22.48.50 # and mine 22.48.52 # maybe 22.49.20 # damn 22.49.38 # do u all have your dedicated servers? 22.49.50 # looks like rockbox.org has the newer compiler too now... 22.49.51 # ah no, Christi's server is the one that generates the flash full error for rombox 22.49.52 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.50.06 # 4.1 is in debian unstable... 22.53.22 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 22.55.52 Join hcl [0] (i=hcl@titania.student.utwente.nl) 22.59.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.59.41 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.59.56 Quit mirak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.01.26 Quit PaulJam (".") 23.02.29 Quit verbarw (Client Quit) 23.04.26 # LinusN: The red build on Christi's server is because of an old sh-elf-gcc, not a new one 23.04.39 # I already mentioned it 2 times 23.05.06 # I don't think the gcc 4.1 warnings hurt much. Several build servers already have 4.1 23.05.09 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 23.05.46 Join webguest53 [0] (n=864c0324@labb.contactor.se) 23.06.12 # petur: 1.5 dB 23.06.24 # has any of you found pacman for pacbox' 23.06.25 # ? 23.07.19 # amiconn: you'll be delighted to hear that Archos won't get AGC.... 23.07.29 # no? 23.07.39 # LinusN: For doom, we shoud just disable the gcc 4.1 warnings 23.07.45 # don't you want the size small? 23.07.54 # Then only 4 of them remain, which shouldn't be hard to fix 23.08.50 # amiconn: well the current code from jvo is written for 0.5dB steps, so either I change that of only commit for iriver atm 23.09.09 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@234.sub-70-208-15.myvzw.com) 23.10.20 Quit dumbkid (".") 23.10.54 Join dumbkid [0] (n=Alex@hnvr-d9b8eab5.pool.mediaWays.net) 23.10.59 Quit TeaSea (No route to host) 23.11.35 # where is the code for the building of the tagcache files stored (in which files= 23.11.35 # ) 23.11.36 # ? 23.15.00 # argrg 23.15.05 # i can't find pacman! 23.15.33 # argrg 23.15.41 # i can't find the tagcache source 23.17.45 # petur: Yes of course rockbox shouldn't be bloated too much 23.18.13 # But imho agc is more useful a feature than numerous others which got added recently 23.18.30 # <_FireFly_> AGC? 23.18.34 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net) 23.18.37 # - even though I rarely record anything 23.19.16 # (with the numerous other features I mean things like playlist catalog, dir skip, runtime db, ...) 23.19.42 # dumbkid: maybe apps/tagcache.* ? 23.19.51 # _especially_ runtime db 23.20.04 # * amiconn cannot see the point of having a runtime db 23.20.33 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@50.sub-70-208-172.myvzw.com) 23.21.28 # strange, in my source there isnt a apps/tagcache! 23.22.06 # ok, I'll look at getting AGC working for all targets with recording 23.22.25 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.22.27 # dumbkid: where did you download the source from? 23.22.41 # think rockbox.org 23.22.46 # The files should be there. See http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/ 23.22.46 # exactly i dont remember 23.22.58 # already looking there 23.22.58 # thx 23.22.59 Quit webguest53 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.23.13 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.23.22 Join webguest79 [0] (n=864c0324@labb.contactor.se) 23.23.23 # this is completely unrelated to rockbox but: with a uint8_t, 255-c == ~c right ? (if yes, is the second one faster ? or does the compiler optimise that anyway ?) 23.23.31 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.23.56 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-106-104.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 23.25.47 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.26.58 # dionoea: (a) yes, they're equal in the uint8_t range. (b) Which one is faster depends on the target cpu, the actual desired effect, what else you are doing with the values (e.g. casting from/to other types) 23.27.26 # (c) don't count on gcc's optimisation abilities, always check the result if speed is important 23.27.52 # target CPU is x86, desired effect ?, sometimes its from uint8_t, sometimes it's a cast from a uint32_t 23.28.14 # gcc's optimisations are ranging from ultra clever to ultra dumb 23.28.24 # Predictability? None. 23.28.57 # Maybe for x86 it's better, I have no idea 23.29.07 # ok :) thanks for the help anyway 23.29.13 # i'll put it in a loop and time it 23.30.39 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp51-13.adsl.forthnet.gr) 23.33.52 # what do you think about the idea if in the artist tag are given 2 artists, seperated by &, for example "Bean & Yanou" (the seperator could also be feat. vs. ...) that tracked is showed in the tagcache twice, once under each artist? 23.34.43 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.35.20 # no one cares? 23.37.17 # say something! 23.37.31 # boo 23.37.39 # :p 23.38.04 # * dumbkid is curious about the others! 23.38.43 # <_FireFly_> dumbkid: for most devs it is 11:40 pm 23.39.07 # <_FireFly_> so don't expect an imediately answer 23.39.28 # <_FireFly_> and for this case of question the rockbox-dev-ml would be a better place 23.39.36 # why? 23.39.47 # <_FireFly_> why what ? 23.39.52 # id just wanna know what u think about that idea 23.39.58 # u as a user ;) 23.40.35 # <_FireFly_> i don't care because i don't use tagcache ;) and doesn't ran the newest build, too 23.40.53 # * dumbkid is demotivated :( 23.41.06 # dumbkid: but what about bandnames like "Blank & Jones" or "Coheed & Cambria" 23.41.09 # <_FireFly_> form one answer wow ;) 23.41.20 # u are right 23.41.37 # i saw them too 23.41.53 # but it wouldn disturb me 23.43.10 # im actually thinking about the place where to do the changes, one possibilitie is to seperate during the writing of the tagcache files 23.43.44 # the other, slower method would be to seperate themn during the showing of the entrys 23.44.25 # but i think the first way is the better one 23.46.02 # wow found a cute line in the rockbox code: cpu_boost(true); 23.46.10 # does that work on my pc too xD ? 23.47.34 # * obo guesses that dumbkid doesn't remember PCs with turbo buttons on them 23.47.53 # i remember :) 23.48.04 # but i dont remember what they were for -.- 23.51.27 Join ttyfscker [0] (n=ttyfscke@h9.162.140.67.ip.alltel.net) 23.51.38 # where can i get the mp3 codec for rockbox 23.52.22 # LinusN, I just tried, now it seems fine. Sorry, was out for a while. 23.53.57 # if ((do_you_know_such_a_function("Artist 1 & Artist2",1) == "Artist 1") and (do_you_know_such_a_function("Artist 1 & Artist2",2) == "Artist 2")) 23.53.57 # { 23.53.57 # posthere(name_of_that_function); 23.53.57 DBUG Enqueued KICK dumbkid 23.53.57 # } 23.54.47 # when i am trying to play an mp3 on my nano i get no codec available.. i looked for the codec for mp3 on rockbox and i cant find it.. how do you all get your mp3s to play? 23.54.55 # cpu_boost(true); /* hope u can think faster know... */ 23.55.21 # usually the encoder is already included 23.55.23 # ttyfscker, have you tried reinstalling rockbox? 23.55.36 # or trie to play another file 23.55.39 # bluebrother:: yes 23.55.40 # sounds like you're some files missing. 23.55.48 # hrm 23.55.56 # do you have mpa.codec in the codecs subdir? 23.56.01 # yes 23.56.14 # ill wipe everything 23.56.20 # and redo it 23.56.36 # rockbox doest support mp3pro etc. (do i remember right?!?) 23.56.38 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 23.56.40 # trie another file 23.56.47 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-139-042.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.56.52 # it does it on all my mp3s 23.57.37 # maybe theyre all the same type 23.58.02 # i dont know too what to do 23.58.05 # whats the diff in mp3 and mp3pro 23.58.09 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 23.58.10 # how can you tell which one you have 23.58.16 # ^^ i dont know 23.58.28 # have to reconnect 23.58.31 # cya in a min 23.58.36 Quit dumbkid (".")