--- Log for 20.07.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.05 # I have more questions :D 00.00.16 # about TagCache 00.00.33 # how can I remove Example1 and Example 2 from the list 00.00.49 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 00.01.13 # what are they for anyway? 00.01.15 Join MO-Pantsu [0] (n=me@host-87-74-118-210.bulldogdsl.com) 00.01.17 # CYPER^: edit the tagnavi.config in the .rockbox dir 00.01.29 Nick MO-Pantsu is now known as Rori (n=me@host-87-74-118-210.bulldogdsl.com) 00.01.45 # CYPER^, they are examples ;-) 00.02.20 Join dumbkid [0] (n=Alex@hnvr-d9b8eab1.pool.mediaWays.net) 00.02.29 # I will delete them 00.02.29 Join kidd3ckz [0] (n=email@c-71-229-197-101.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 00.02.34 # just one moment to see how 00.02.45 # Hi guys. I asked this ob the forums and got a snooty answer. When I disconnect my Nano from the USB cable using 'Safely Remove Hardware' it crashes to a battery icon and has to be hard reset to boot it. Is this a known issue and is it going to be fixed or is it a problem with Apple and cannot be fixed (Or nobody can be bothered)? 00.03.05 Quit klrspz () 00.03.27 # Doest it say: You can now safely remove blah...... 00.03.32 # yes 00.03.40 # cool 00.03.45 # thanks i got it to work 00.03.52 # hm I don't have that problem with 4G 00.03.54 # it does not always do it. 50/50 chance it does it 00.04.01 # for some reason my files didnt get placed in the right directories 00.04.41 # if (you.aredev) 00.04.41 # { 00.04.41 # cpu_boost(true); /* hope u can think faster know... */ 00.04.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK dumbkid 00.04.41 # if ((do_you_know_such_a_function(" & ",1,"Artist 1 & Artist2") == "Artist 1") and (do_you_know_such_a_function(" & ",2,"Artist 1 & Artist2") == "Artist 2")) 00.04.42 # { 00.04.44 # posthere(name_of_that_function); 00.04.46 # } 00.04.48 # cpu_boost(false); /* save ressources... */ 00.04.50 # } 00.04.55 # so what was the solution for you? 00.04.58 # ttyfscker 00.04.59 # webguest79, great 10x - I can see it is highly customizable 00.05.01 # i was abscent :/ 00.05.41 # where can I see tha TagCache Tags? 00.06.25 # Rori: That seems to be a common problem - but the disk mode is part of the Apple firmware, so there's not much we can do about it. In the long term, Rockbox may get its own disk mode, but that won't be an easy task. 00.06.29 # so I can put some new files: like show only pop songs before 1990 00.06.37 # put new lines 00.06.37 # CYPER^: they are not documented yet, because tagcache is still under developement 00.07.00 # then I can try to understand it :D 00.07.06 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.07.24 # linuxstb thanks for giving a decent answer 00.07.32 # dumbkid:: all the files weren't getting extracted before.. 00.07.37 # I did not know Rockbox relies on Apple's disk mode to work 00.07.54 # apple firmware is still there 00.08.02 # you can see the apple logo, while booting 00.08.33 # yep true 00.09.05 # Does Rockbox use the iRiver H1*0 disk mode or it's own? 00.09.30 # That was poorly worded but you get the idea. 00.09.32 # <_FireFly_> on h1*0 the disk mode is a simple usb-disk 00.09.34 # Rockbox has its own disk mode on every target apart from the ipods. 00.09.46 # i think ipods are the only targets where usb isn't handled by hardware 00.10.04 # hmm 00.10.08 # btw, how is disk mode handled on ipods? Isn't this done with a hardware solution (like e.g. iriver)? 00.10.32 # No idea.... The USB is all part of the PortalPlayer chip. 00.11.01 # Other targets have separate ATA<->USB bridge chips with (I assume) publically available documentation. 00.11.13 # <_FireFly_> maybe there use a chip which has only the usb-transiver on it and the usb-stack is in software 00.11.15 # ah... sounds like the usb host is completely done in software? Nasty. 00.11.28 # <_FireFly_> s/there/they 00.11.31 # iirc iriver has a cypress ata bridge. 00.12.32 # <_FireFly_> bluebrother: whatever it is handled by the usbstorage kernel driver on linux, so any supported chip could be used 00.13.14 # it definitely isn't a Genesys Logic chip as those used to have big problems in usb2.0 mode in kernel 2.4 00.14.37 # <_FireFly_> i don't know because i doesn't ran an 2.4er kernel 00.15.24 # I picked an external hard drive about 2 years ago with that chip ... it was awful. 00.15.30 Quit JoeXBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.15.32 Quit MrStaticVoid (Remote closed the connection) 00.15.51 # from what I found on the net it seems GL has strange timings for their chip 00.16.08 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@stealth.thestaticvoid.org) 00.16.54 Quit obo ("bye") 00.19.20 Quit cal_rifken (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.19.27 # linuxstb: already working on recording? 00.20.49 # funny. Iriver sells the h120 as "multi codec jukebox" but according to hal it's an mp3 player ;-) 00.21.17 # do someone know how i can catch each character from a string with a if? 00.21.44 # strcmp? 00.21.56 # dumbkid: what do you want to accomplish? 00.21.58 # or what do you mean? 00.22.30 # bluebrother: well, it definitely plays >1 codec 00.22.42 Join webguest45 [0] (n=544a09c9@labb.contactor.se) 00.23.58 Join verbarw [0] (n=Benacool@Toronto-HSE-ppp3750445.sympatico.ca) 00.24.02 # all in all i need a function which returns me a part of a string, depending on the argument given to the function (for example: if the string is "Hello & Goodbye" the function should return "Hello" when i call it with function("hello & gb",1) and "Goodbye" when i call function("hello & goodbye",2) 00.24.21 # <_FireFly_> bluebrother: mp3-player is nowadays a kind of synonym for protable music players 00.25.05 # Hi. I just wanted to log in and say THANK YOU. For ages I had been waiting for ipodlinux to support 5g ipods so I could play my large .ogg collection. A few hours ago I had never heard of Rockbox, now I have it installed, themed-up and playng my oggs! Thanks guys! 00.25.26 Quit MrStaticVoid (Remote closed the connection) 00.25.46 # _FireFly_, I know. It's just kind of funny as iriver itself uses it. 00.25.47 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@67.41.198.205) 00.26.07 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@stealth.thestaticvoid.org) 00.26.15 # And gapless playback too! I have lost count of the number of time I have moaned to Apple zealots about how dumb it is that iPods have agap between tracks. 00.26.27 # dumbkid, meaning you want to split the string on that & sign? 00.26.38 # <_FireFly_> bluebrother: i think if they don't call it a mp3-player then they wouldn't sell as much as they did 00.27.10 # actually they print "multi-codec jukebox" on it. Which was the fact I was surprised. 00.27.25 # exactly thats what i mean 00.27.25 # <_FireFly_> bluebrother: by the way the usb-ata-bridge chip is a cypress one http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverInfo#Hardware 00.27.42 # I haven't found another way to display that product string other than using lshal. 00.27.58 # <_FireFly_> bluebrother: lsusb ? :) 00.28.11 # <_FireFly_> ok this doesn't work as normal user 00.28.18 # webguest45: good to hear you like it 00.28.29 # hmm, seems I don't have lsusb installed 00.29.05 # <_FireFly_> it should be in /usr/sbin/ 00.29.43 # blue, do you know a function to split those strings? 00.30.46 # <_FireFly_> dumbkid: you could write one with strchr 00.31.36 # ^^ thats the first step 00.31.38 # dumbkid, you could search for the position from which to split. 00.31.40 # didnt know strchr 00.31.49 # I'd use a pointer ;-) 00.31.51 # already started writing exactly tha on my one 00.32.10 # id use a pointer too, but strchr is much easier 00.32.23 # for the first part 00.32.24 # <_FireFly_> bluebrother: lsusb is in the usbutils package 00.32.36 # in the second ill still need pointers i think :) 00.32.39 Quit ender` (" Top reason why compilers are like women: Miss a period and they go crazy") 00.32.41 # <_FireFly_> there is also a strrchr ;) 00.32.45 # <_FireFly_> man strchr 00.33.45 Quit webguest45 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.34.50 # <_FireFly_> dumbkid: strchr only returns an pointer 00.35.38 # ^^ 00.36.12 # pointer-string+1 = position of the char in the string :) 00.36.25 # (at least i hope its that easy) 00.38.57 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 00.39.03 # dumbkid, I'm not sure if I understand this correctly but if yes it won't work. 00.39.13 # I'm assuming string is the length of your string? 00.39.28 # or do you mean a pointer to your string? 00.39.38 # Which would be different ;-) 00.39.56 # wow, trying to play audiofiles in linux is very disappointing. Amarok refuses to play FLAC files, nautilus pretends that my FLACs are just renamed mp3s and rhythmbox can play the FLACs, but doesn't recognize half of my mp3s. 00.40.30 # i mean the pointer 00.40.34 # I've had largely positive experiences with Banshee 00.40.36 # ah, ok :) 00.40.43 # hmm, strange new behaviour. 00.40.44 # Except a few crashes some versions ago 00.40.55 # is it written wrong? 00.41.02 # it seems my player won't play anything after a usb disconnect. 00.41.08 # do i have to write *string? 00.41.10 # <_FireFly_> webguest79: try audacious ;) 00.41.17 # i think i'll continue to have my h320 connected to the line-in. 00.41.33 # rebooting helps, but it's annoying. 00.42.04 # dumbkid, if both are pointers it looks good to me (or I should _really_ go to bed now ;-) 00.42.08 # <_FireFly_> webguest79: which linux distri do you have 00.42.10 # getting late here. 00.42.33 # webguest79, I have amarok playing mp3 and ogg without problems. Are you missing some packages? 00.42.50 # <_FireFly_> amarok can also play flac-files 00.42.55 # ubuntu. i guess the upgrade to 6.06 broke more then i thought. 00.43.07 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 10 minutes and 44 seconds at the last flood 00.43.07 # * dumbkid should _really_ go to bed now :! 00.43.26 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.43.33 # <_FireFly_> have you tried to run amarok in a terminal to get the error-messages (if there where some) 00.43.51 # webguest79, what engine are you using? 00.43.58 # FireFly: good idea 00.44.11 # petur: Yes, but slowly... Haven't had much time to devote to it. 00.44.19 # <_FireFly_> webguest79: ;) 00.45.26 # linuxstb: I've been thinking of defining a number of values just like buttons are assigned. For min/max/default gain, ... 00.45.27 # damn, why is htlatex still failing on that one longtable's booktabs? 00.46.31 # linuxstb: I was looking into adding AGC for all recording targets but it will introduce too many ifdefs so I'd stuff them all in one place 00.47.08 # help me with my problem, please :) 00.47.08 # given is a string "test1 & test2 & eventuelly test3" 00.47.08 # i want to call a subroutine for each of those parts (seperated by the '&') 00.47.20 # in vb its that easy :/ 00.47.38 # dumbkid, what's exactly the problem? 00.47.42 # not working at all? 00.47.46 # strtok? 00.47.49 # to hard 2 me 00.48.04 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 00.48.19 Quit MrStaticVoid (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.31 # strtok ! 00.48.32 # thx 00.48.32 # :) 00.49.08 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@stealth.thestaticvoid.org) 00.49.13 # I really need to get some sleep. 00.49.23 # dumbkid, good luck. 00.49.27 Quit bluebrother ("cu") 00.51.58 # petur: It would be nice if pcm_record.c was made more generic - moving all the Coldfire-specific stuff somewhere else. A similar cleanup could be done in pcm_playback.c 00.52.36 # yes 00.52.52 # after the holiday :) 00.54.34 # yes :) 00.54.39 # _Firefly_: unfortunately the console doesn't output anything useful. well, maybe i'll look into this tomorrow. now i need some sleep. night. 00.55.05 # petur: When the weather returns to something sensible... 00.55.31 Quit webguest79 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.55.43 # well 00.55.44 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 00.55.46 # ah we just had a bit of rain. but still 28 degrees... 00.56.03 # the multiple entry of artists seperated with & is done! 00.56.28 # but i dont believe itll work xD 00.57.29 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 00.57.32 # "Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young" will work well... 00.58.11 # ? 00.59.18 # with my patch in the tagcache there should be 5 entries :/ 00.59.18 # crosby 00.59.18 # stills 00.59.18 # nash 00.59.18 # young 00.59.18 *** Alert Mode level 1 00.59.18 # crosby, stills, nash & young 00.59.21 Quit Rori () 00.59.33 # So it splits on "," as well? 00.59.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.59.40 # ye 00.59.41 # yes 00.59.44 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-124-247.dsl.pipex.com) 00.59.52 # why the itunes2 wps is not showing properly 00.59.57 # I put the fonts package 01.00.09 # and it's not just it 01.00.13 # (to be true... it splits on "," since u remembered me of it xD) 01.00.17 # some other themes as well 01.00.26 # what do u mean? 01.00.47 # i have some pink boxes at some themes -.- 01.00.54 Quit MrStaticVoid ("leaving") 01.01.02 # but i have no chance to test it :( 01.01.07 # my patch 01.01.08 # everyting is white with itunes2 01.01.23 # cygwin will take some years until its loaded xD 01.02.31 # also why scrolling is so slow 01.03.09 # dumbkid: Now find a way to link that "young" with "Neil Young" (solo), "Neil Young & Crazy Horse", etc etc 01.03.16 # feels like slow proccesorprocessor 01.03.19 # slow processor 01.03.21 # memset(&track, 0, sizeof(struct track_info)); 01.03.21 # memset(&entry, 0, sizeof(struct temp_file_entry)); 01.03.21 # memset(&tracknumfix, 0, sizeof(tracknumfix)); 01.03.21 *** Alert Mode level 2 01.03.21 # ret = get_metadata(&track, fd, path, false); 01.03.21 *** Alert Mode level 3 01.03.21 # close(fd); 01.03.21 *** Alert Mode level 4 01.03.21 # 01.03.23 Quit dumbkid (Excess Flood) 01.03.42 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 01.04.51 Join dumbkid [0] (n=Alex@hnvr-d9b8eab1.pool.mediaWays.net) 01.04.59 # hm 01.05.13 # looks like freenode dont want me to post sourcecode ... 01.05.57 # im so proud on my first work :) (most of that work is what u said me xD and i dont know if it works, but ive written 3 lines!) 01.06.10 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.06.35 # dumbkid: your punishment for flooding the channel :) 01.06.47 # it has to be a amazing feeling to write something that genious like rockbox! right linus= 01.06.47 # ? 01.07.19 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 01.07.35 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 01.07.40 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@stealth.thestaticvoid.org) 01.07.44 # oh its late :/ 01.08.23 # im gonna sleeping now 01.08.27 # dumbkid: use pastebin.com 01.08.31 # cy@ll 01.09.33 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 01.12.42 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 01.13.14 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 01.13.22 *** Alert Mode OFF 01.13.24 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-103-68.dslaccess.co.uk) 01.14.41 # wow, my code is something special! 01.14.41 # Warning: unlink(/home/pastebin/public_html/../cache/recent): No such file or directory in /home/pastebin/lib/pastebin/db.mysql.class.php on line 243 01.14.41 # 01.14.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK dumbkid 01.14.41 # Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/pastebin/lib/pastebin/db.mysql.class.php:243) in /home/pastebin/lib/pastebin/pastebin.class.php on line 198 01.14.46 # ^^ my work -.- 01.17.43 # any german ppl here? 01.17.55 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.20.33 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 01.20.44 # looks like nobodys online 01.21.52 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) 01.33.33 Quit dumbkid (".") 01.57.21 Join scorche [0] (n=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 01.58.12 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 01.59.59 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 02.04.38 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@249.sub-70-208-1.myvzw.com) 02.06.27 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host86-142-223-145.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) 02.14.42 Quit JoeyBorn (Success) 02.41.02 Quit Febs () 02.46.55 Quit CYPER^ () 02.48.23 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 02.53.23 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.59.34 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 02.59.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.06.17 Quit hardeep ("9) nanoseconds") 03.07.32 Quit PyromancerX (Connection timed out) 03.09.13 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 03.11.11 Quit Pons (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.11.23 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 03.15.45 # why doesnt rockbox save my settings after i add more songs to it? 03.17.27 Part pixelma 03.20.29 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Remote closed the connection) 03.20.32 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 03.20.37 # Have you shut it down properly after changing settings? 03.20.38 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEEEF8.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.23.46 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.23.48 # i cant figure it out it wont let me have the usb cable hooked up and listen to music at the same time.. it always goes to disk mode.. when i try to save my config i cant seem to find out what the "save" "enter" button is.. the center button is like backspace, the menu button takes me out and cancels, the play button doesnt seem to do anything and the left/right arrows navigate 03.24.44 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 03.24.44 # * Paul_The_Nerd notes that none of that answered the one question he asked. 03.25.08 # yes i did shut down 03.25.13 # By holding Play? 03.25.44 # yes 03.25.57 # Are you using an official build, or one of the modified ones from the forums? 03.26.05 # but thats not a big deal really 03.26.14 # i do want to be able to listen to it while its charging 03.26.27 # no im using the latest from the rockbox site for the ipod nano 03.26.32 # How to listen while charging, and the controls for name-entry for files, are in the Manual and FAQ. 03.27.32 # With an official build, once you've changed settings, on nano they may not save to memory (not the same as saving them to a file) unless you properly shut down. If you just plug in USB, they may be cleared by it rebooting for USB mode. 03.30.17 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 03.31.19 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 03.36.40 # Paul_The_Nerd:: is there not a quick way to tell me how to do that without having to load that bulky manual? 03.36.47 # just to play while charging 03.36.58 # ttyfscker: Read the IpodFAQ page in the wiki then. 03.37.40 # The pages exist for a reason, and that's so that people can look there before asking questions. It'd kinda be silly if we didn't at least strongly suggest people go and read them first when they do ask here without checking them first. 03.41.12 # ttyfscker: om...interesting name >_> 03.42.38 # thanks scorche 03.43.13 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@ppp-69-215-254-186.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 03.44.29 Quit BloodySorcerer ("Leaving") 03.45.41 # Hello. 03.46.30 Join Bloody_Sorcerer [0] (n=BS@cpe-72-230-178-79.rochester.res.rr.com) 03.46.33 Nick Bloody_Sorcerer is now known as BloodySorcerer (n=BS@cpe-72-230-178-79.rochester.res.rr.com) 03.48.05 # I'm a bit confused by something in Port Pin Assignments. For X5's GPIO28 it says "CS1-(A15, A14 selects LCD or USBOTG: 10=LCD 01=USBOTG). I though the CS1 line selected the chip. What chip lines are A14/15 connected to? Esp A15 for LCD. 03.51.39 # Anyone? Anyone? 03.51.43 # ping 03.53.11 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.06.44 # is the rockbox theme page down or something? i get a weird error when i try to load it 04.08.05 # appears to be borken. 04.08.55 # jhMikeS: Don't expect quick responses to obscure hardware questions. The people who know these things aren't always around. 04.09.24 # Paul: Thanks. What's the best time? 04.11.44 # jhMikeS: It all depends on their schedules. You may want to try the developer's mailing list. 04.15.19 # * Paul_The_Nerd notes that it should never be 38C after 8pm. 04.16.50 Join earHertz [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-30-242-135.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 04.18.30 # l/msg NickServ IDENTIFY 04.18.42 # Hahaha 04.18.51 # SIGH 04.19.02 # it is a goodthing someone didnt put their password int here too :P 04.19.15 Quit Poka64 ("XChat 2.6.4 - www.xchat.org") 04.19.17 # (this is why i always do it in the server window) 04.19.22 # so, uh, how do I chnage an irc password? 04.20.28 # /ns set password 04.20.44 # thanks 04.21.03 # l/ns set password scroche 04.21.07 # whoops 04.21.43 # doesnt work like that anyway ;) 04.22.02 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm American, I guess that's 100.4. Whew. 04.23.01 # thee are AMERICANS in teh channell??? 04.23.12 # Aye! 04.23.14 # omf 04.23.16 # g 04.23.16 # earHertz: I'm from Texas. It's like two steps worse. 04.23.17 # omfg 04.23.20 # im amaerican?! 04.23.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes, yes it is 04.23.24 # jhMikeS: It was 114 at 3pm today. 04.23.24 # american even! 04.23.33 # aww, i'm sorry paul 04.23.40 # earHertz: Fortunately I'm in Austin. The rest of the state likes to pretend like we don't exist. 04.23.42 # Paul_The_Nerd: Desert? 04.23.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: I hope you're in austin? 04.23.53 # synchronity 04.23.53 # oh well, i'm from new york, so i get the permanent association with that big stupid city. 04.23.55 # Hehehe 04.24.01 # i want long island to secede from NY state. 04.25.02 # I want Texas to secede -- and take it's idiot with it. 04.25.06 # er, its 04.25.23 # (no, I don't mean Paul_The_Nerd ) 04.25.30 # He's actually not *from* Texas. He just kinda acts like he is. 04.25.38 # I'm not sure he remembers that he's not any more. 04.25.40 # true that 04.25.42 # Hola a todos los Tejanos1 04.26.06 # gah 04.26.34 # * earHertz chants Two More Years! 04.27.55 # which is 8 years too lnog 04.27.58 # long** 04.28.03 # but thats another channel 04.41.06 # * jhMikeS Testing uno dos tres 04.47.55 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.47.59 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 04.48.07 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 04.48.22 # * jhMikeS thinks great, the wiki's fried. 04.48.54 # Fried how? 04.49.20 # It says: "TWiki Installation Error. Template "oopsblacklist" not found. Check the configuration setting for {TemplateDir}. 04.49.25 # Hm 04.49.29 # What page is giving that to you? 04.49.37 # iAudio port 04.50.12 # Hmmm...just that one 04.50.26 # So far... 04.50.56 # jhMikeS: Try again 04.50.58 # WPS gallery is too 04.51.00 # or was too 04.51.40 # That one too still 04.52.09 Quit `3nergy (Client Quit) 04.52.23 Join `3nergy [0] (n=3nergy@techgaming.net) 04.52.32 # The WpsGallery should be back now too. 04.52.43 # yep, got it 04.52.57 # I'm not sure what was wrong, but it was fixable at least. 04.53.05 # iAudio port as well 04.53.26 # You were doing work on it? 04.53.29 # No. 04.53.52 # But I was able to get to the "edit" page for it, then re-save the page. 04.53.57 # I just couldn't get to the real page. 04.54.20 # Excellent 04.59.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.00.14 # i am bored. 05.01.29 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACADD410.ipt.aol.com) 05.07.36 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.10.37 # Is there a way to create plugins independently of the main rockbox build? 05.11.20 # Not at the moment. 05.12.08 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 05.12.49 # Hmmm...another thing. What about creating patches that only include some of the source because usually the entire source tree is in the diff. Does that mean file by file diffing? 05.13.01 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 05.13.18 # What do you mean "entire source tree is in the diff"? 05.13.37 # Like, you don't want *all* changes, just the ones in two or three files? 05.13.42 # yes 05.13.57 # I think you can feed diff a list of files. I'm not terribly certain though, I'm not that strong with it. 05.14.34 # hmmm...yeah, shell script or something 05.14.53 # Well, I think you can just give it multiple filenames without a script. 05.15.14 # True, but I hate typing the same stuff again and again. :) 05.15.45 # Well, why not create a patch of all the other changes once, then strip that patch before diffing. 05.15.59 # Or, just have multiple source trees so your patches don't overlap 05.16.46 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) 05.16.56 # Strip out the parts I want in the final patch, right? 05.17.05 # XOR 05.17.27 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.18.08 # Well I mean, you can diff everything. 05.18.23 # Then *remove* from that diff the parts that are currently being worked on. 05.18.51 # Then, when you want to create a patch of *just* the worked-on parts, patch -R the big diff, so that it leaves only those changes, then diff them. 05.19.00 # Assuming you're only working on one set of things at once. 05.19.06 # Is it at all frowned upon to release patches that depend upon a previous patch? To keep each one to a specific purpose instead of a huge lump. 05.19.30 # Actually the patch tracker makes specific provisions for it. 05.19.36 # You can list one patch as depending on another. 05.19.51 # I saw that...not sure if there's a point of abuse or not. 05.20.31 # It's preferred that you *only* make it depend on another if it's reasonably logical for it to do so (like, having a plugin depend on a patch to the display code is okay, but having a keymapping patch depend on a display patch just because you didn't bother to sync it with CVS is not) 05.20.56 # Good ideas for that. 05.21.10 # does someone want to help me with a little bit of iPod hard drive repair using linux 05.21.34 # Well, I was thinking: Display driver patch...patch that adds menu feature that depend on display driver. 05.21.35 # jhMikeS: So yeah, as long as the dependencies are functional ones, and not laziness ones, and as long as the functional once can be justified, it should be fine. 05.21.56 # despite the just-about-off-topic nature of the problem 05.22.28 # Well, if the menu feature is an aspect of the new display code, like controlling it (ability to set bit depth on the driver level, and menu option for setting bit depth, as a random example) you'd generally include them as one patch. 05.22.29 # BHSPitMonkey: Noone's really talking about much else 05.22.34 # BHSPitMonkey: What kinda problem you havin'? 05.22.48 # this hard drive's kind of gimped, possibly beyond repair 05.23.10 # 'gimped, possibly beyond repair' is not one of the technical terms I'm familiar with. :-P 05.23.13 # when I analyze it in testdisk, certain cylinders stop it in its tracks for periods of time 05.23.15 # heh 05.23.52 # hey all 05.23.57 # Well, if it's physical HD death, there's not too much you can do 05.24.13 # I'm just dividing driver features from user features...comparmentalize and all. 05.24.25 # are there any good utils for linux like "ScanDisk", that try and repair fixable problems in that area 05.24.34 # Yeah, but driver features, and the means of user control of that feature, should be included in the same patch in most cases. 05.24.49 # BHSpitMonkey: Save the neodymium magnets, nothing will fall off your fridge ever again. :) 05.25.28 # jhMikeS, hey now, try to keep a positive attitude about this :) 05.25.41 # let's not bury it before it's dead 05.25.58 # it's 7 months old, Apple -should- replace it 05.26.02 # but they're saying no 05.26.09 # I need to get on the phone with them 05.26.25 # Paul_The_Nerd: Ok...thanks 05.27.39 # Paul_The_Nerd: Just trying to learn "patch etiquette" :) 05.28.19 # BHSpinMonkey: The warranty is over? Or is there some provision in it about the hard drive. Maybe Toshiba will do it. 05.29.11 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@Ottawa-HSE-ppp265128.sympatico.ca) 05.29.54 # jhMikeS: There aren't really set rules, but it makes it easier if all aspects of a single feature are in one patch, with one feature / patch, I think. 05.31.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: Badger did tell me once basically to not release one huge patch that changes everything when I was talking about implementing a modular UI. 05.32.29 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 05.33.01 # Yeah, with something that big, if you can break it into steps it's better. Fix/change one thing, make sure it doesn't break anything or lose the ability to do anything, move on. I mean, it kinda depends on how much you can break it down. 05.33.32 # Patches that are necessary for working toward such an idea, but for the user simply remove functionality without replacing it don't to *too* much good outside of testing opportunities. 05.33.37 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.33.50 Quit JoeyBorn (Connection timed out) 05.33.59 # Paul_The_Nerd: I don't care to make changes for their own sake. 05.34.35 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 05.34.41 # Paul_The_Nerd: And whaddya mean "remove functionality"? I'd be adding a lot of functionality. 05.35.25 # jhMikeS: Well, for example, if the first step was to set up the framework for the modular system, but you hadn't implemented the menus in it, just uploading the framework patch removing the old menu would be silly if there wasn't a new one built in to replace it. 05.35.39 # That sort of thing 05.36.27 # quick, what's a two paramweter ANSI C function? 05.36.37 # Paul_The_Nerd: main? 05.36.49 # I mean earHertz. 05.36.51 # I figured 05.36.53 Quit JoeXBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.37.00 # er, not main. a linbraryu funct 05.37.02 # I was thinking the same thing, but trying to come up with a better answer than that. 05.37.10 # printf can be. 05.37.37 # no, only two 05.37.46 # exactly two, huh 05.37.54 # yeah 05.38.12 # pow from math.h? 05.39.17 # strcmp! 05.39.27 # fopen? or it that three? 05.39.31 # strcpy 05.41.18 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders why you needed an existing two-parameter function 05.41.54 # * jhMikeS thinks why selected by parameter count? 05.42.09 # Must be a pop quiz. 05.43.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: pm me 05.43.56 # jhMikeS: trying to explain how to program 05.44.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: Back to that other thing. 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I want to have directory hierarchy etc... Can rockbox do that? 08.33.56 # yes 08.34.27 # and do I still have to convert all the video files ? 08.34.37 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 08.35.46 # rockbox will not play video files 08.36.08 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 08.36.14 # so if I install rockbox I cant play any videos anymore ? 08.36.42 # if you want to play videos, you can boot into the original firmware 08.37.30 # will there be video function in the future ? 08.38.06 Quit _Lucretia_ ("Leaving") 08.38.10 # xerxes1358: i's unlikely, unless we can learn a lot more about teh broadcomm chip that processes teh video 08.38.20 # I see 08.38.33 # well Apple is going with nvidia I heard 08.38.41 # :-) that wont help me much though 08.38.43 # however, booting into the retail os isn't too onerous 08.39.11 # ok 08.39.30 Quit Slasheri (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 08.39.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.40.30 # any of you guys have ipod video too ? I have ripped some MP4 files with a special program specially for ipod but these files only play for like 2 or 4 minutes and then stop. On the computer they work fine though 08.40.38 # any idea why they dont work ?> 08.40.43 # xerxes1358: I have a 60gb ipod video 08.41.09 # xerxes1358: no idea. conversion suppport is flakey 08.41.17 # what application do you use ? 08.41.31 # videora converts ok, and mp3encoder also, if you much with it 08.41.40 # er, muck 08.41.49 # videora? 08.41.49 Join Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 08.41.50 # ok 08.41.53 # honestly, I don't play videos much on teh ipod 08.41.58 # I used istuint 08.42.02 # iSquint 08.42.11 # oh, you must have a mac 08.42.23 # I bought one because of the video otherwise I would have bought other brands 08.42.28 # Yeah I have a mac 08.42.46 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.83) 08.44.07 # good job 08.44.11 Part LinusN 08.45.05 # By the way, where is file that Rock Paint save? 08.45.15 # save where? 08.46.34 # how about anapod 08.46.45 # does that have directory hierarchy and video ? 08.46.48 # nrever used it 08.47.25 # xerxes1358: why do you want a dire hierarchy rather thna itunes style? 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09.39.48 Quit verbarw (Client Quit) 09.40.14 # someone around running windows and can help me with the media player? 09.40.48 # ahah. windows media player will not install for my xp install. 09.41.50 Join kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 09.42.13 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.42.35 # amiconn: again? 09.44.45 Quit mueslii ("ich will KEe!!!") 09.48.12 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@203.187.240.141) 09.59.06 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.07.28 # hrm 10.07.36 # is rockbox supposed to come with a fonts directory? 10.08.27 # not anymore 10.08.46 # it's a separate download on the daily page 10.09.43 # ahhh 10.11.33 # is it possible to replace the default "rockbox" opening graphic 10.11.37 # like, when it first loads. 10.12.03 # if you build it yourself 10.12.05 # JdGordon: what's mean..? 10.12.16 # well, I'm too lazy for that 10.12.20 # I'll just put up with it :> 10.12.21 # :) 10.12.37 # so the graphic is actually built into the software? 10.12.40 # it's not a seperate .bmp? 10.13.19 # no 10.13.46 # damn, no speex support 10.13.47 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 10.13.50 # * Ribs will transcode! 10.14.05 # somebody was working on speex 10.14.18 # so it's probably coming 10.14.34 # please answer.... 10.15.31 # * petur wonders what the question was 10.15.49 # ahhahahaha 10.16.03 # The rockbox firmware has a simular bug to the Apple firmware 10.16.10 # maybe it's just my iPod :> 10.16.13 # Jungti1234: i mean, you can save the pictures anywhere u want 10.17.34 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 10.18.35 # Ribs: what bug is that? 10.18.37 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 10.18.45 # Ribs: Someone has implemented Speex support for Rockbox, but I'm not sure if it's on the patch tracker yet. 10.19.04 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 10.19.08 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3122.gwdg.de) 10.19.55 # Zagor: The iPod will refuse to play *anything* until I reboot it 10.20.02 # It doesn't happen often 10.20.08 # but it's a tad annoying when it does 10.20.46 # Ribs: what happens when you try playing a file? 10.20.48 # Jungti1234: Did you see what I added to the E10 wiki page? 10.20.53 # Zagor: nothing 10.21.08 # Well, it shows the screen, as if it tries to play it 10.21.11 # but nothing actually plays 10.21.14 # it gets 'stuck' 10.21.22 # Ribs: more details, please. can you select a file? does it ever go into the wps? 10.21.31 # yes, the wps is visible 10.21.36 # Ribs: Does Rockbox become unresponsive:? 10.21.44 # oh no... rockbox continues to work just fine 10.21.51 # I suspect it's the sound hardware failing at some point 10.22.01 # can't initialise or something 10.22.12 # Does the track time increase, or is it stuck at 0:00 ? 10.22.18 # hrm 10.22.20 # don't remember 10.22.27 # OT: Do you guys have any favorite SID tunes? I really like the one from Sanxion by Rob Hubbard 10.22.36 # I'll try to reproduce, hold on 10.23.09 # okay, this is interesting 10.23.09 # markun: I like most of Martin Galways tunes. ocean loader is a favorite. 10.23.09 # JdGordon: how? 10.23.20 # when trying to open the speex file, it doesn't work, obviously 10.23.25 # but now the iPod won't play anything 10.23.35 # It's not random, I can actually reproduce it now :> 10.23.47 # linuxstb: time stays at zero 10.24.00 # it seems to load the information about the track okay 10.24.07 # it just doesn't repond when I press play 10.24.31 # markun: yes, I saw now. 10.24.41 # nice link 10.25.07 # when I do a reboot, I hear a pop in the headphones, not sure if that's normal 10.25.19 # It would be helpful if you could file a bug report, with the exact steps needed to reproduce. But if you say you get a similar problem in Apple's firmware, it does point to some kind of hardware issue. I can't recall anyone else with a similar problem. 10.25.36 # but it doesn't have datasheet. 10.25.40 # linuxstb: Well, the apple problem was different 10.25.42 # it was random 10.25.51 # I'd go to use the iPod, and it wouldn't work 10.26.10 # however, with this, when I play my speex file (well, try to play it), it seems to trigger the "I don't want to play anything now" bug 10.27.22 # Ribs: does the time start to count or does it stay 0:00 ? 10.27.30 # stays at 0:00 10.27.48 # the access icon on the wpa seems to stay stuck as well 10.27.59 # so I'm guessing that a function somewhere is never returning 10.28.11 # probably from when I'm trying to play my speex file 10.28.16 # Ribs: Can you also reproduce without ever trying to play a Speex file? 10.28.26 # linuxstb: I don't know yet 10.28.36 # I've only just started using RockBox again :> 10.28.55 # for literally about 20 minutes 10.29.01 # * Ribs just attracts bugs :/ 10.29.33 # rockbox shouldn't do anything when you click an unsupported file 10.29.43 # it goes into the wpa 10.30.04 # it's an .ogg extension on the file, so maybe it's thinking it's a vorbis? 10.30.06 # Ribs: I assume your speex file is called ".ogg" ? 10.30.09 # :) 10.30.14 # ah 10.30.23 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@c.200.177.a408.dyn.adsl.cyfra.net) 10.30.44 # I see this in the wpa 10.30.45 # (root) 10.30.46 # no file! 10.30.48 # (root) 10.30.53 # if that means anything 10.31.05 # The .ogg parser _should_ spot that it isn't vorbis and reject it, but it sounds like it doesn't do that. But as we've got a speex decoder on the way, it's probably not worth fixing it. 10.31.09 # It's picked up the genre as "blues" -- I don't think that's right tho :) 10.31.41 # yeeah, and now it's not playing anything again :> 10.32.27 # linuxstb: it shouldn't do that on a bad file tho 10.33.11 # True. 10.34.11 # Ribs: Which player are you using Rockbox on? 10.34.20 # iPod Video (5g) 10.34.28 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.39.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.40.29 # If you guys decide to fix it or whatever, I'll be happy to test it 10.42.38 # I'll at least try and see if I can recreate it. 10.42.59 Join slimx [0] (n=slimx@81.255.106.202) 10.44.58 Quit theli_ua (Remote closed the connection) 10.46.08 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@c.200.177.a408.dyn.adsl.cyfra.net) 10.49.00 Quit theli_ua (Remote closed the connection) 10.51.35 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 10.52.06 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 10.55.43 # * linuxstb is getting annoyed at people posting problems to the forum, followed a short time later with "Don't worry, I've figured it out" - but with no explanation to help other users with the same problem... 10.55.53 Join eGen [0] (i=generat0@boserver.mudecin.cz) 10.56.12 Quit eGen (Client Quit) 11.00.39 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@c.200.177.a408.dyn.adsl.cyfra.net) 11.00.43 # linuxstb: yeah, that's a classic. reaaally helpful. 11.00.55 # Jungti1234: i dont know, i assume when you exit it the plugin it will ask if you want to save and show you the keyboard so u can type the filename 11.02.20 # * petur sometimes still answers the question, just so that the searchers will know the solution 11.05.19 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 11.08.52 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@cor4-ppp2626.bri.dsl.connect.net.au) 11.10.22 Join RaeNye [0] (n=c7cb43c9@labb.contactor.se) 11.10.29 # Aloha 11.11.24 # linusn, are you alive? 11.18.35 # is anyone alive? 11.18.49 # nope 11.18.53 # no, everyone are dead 11.18.54 # goodby cruel world 11.18.57 # * JdGordon dies 11.19.17 # hmm... they arnt ready for me upstairs yet.... 11.19.27 # * JdGordon walks among the living just for the hell of it! 11.20.37 # :) 11.21.06 # They say on iaudiophile forum that the radio patch actually increases battery life for X5 11.21.25 # haha, wd 11.21.47 # * JdGordon saw RaeNye flincth... he is just nagging for the patch to be commited :D 11.22.06 # we might even overachieve OF 11.22.23 # * RaeNye doesn't care. His build *has* FM radio 11.22.33 # * JdGordon was joking 11.22.45 # and besides, my name is already in CREDITS ;-) 11.22.54 # lol 11.23.50 # btw, what exactly flincth /is/ ? 11.24.41 # umm... i guess an involantary muscle jerk or something, indication your uncomfortable, or more generally made a funny movement meaning your lieing :D 11.25.07 # RaeNye: i'm here 11.25.15 # he's alliiiiiiiiiiiiive :D 11.25.21 # hi linusn, wassup? 11.25.37 # loadza work, but otherwise i'm allright 11.26.09 # This means you won't commit X5 stuff, right? :( 11.27.22 # It's OK, we have two weeks until my DAP returns from the lab :) 11.28.00 # RaeNye: Do you mean that the radio patch increases X5 battery life even if you're not using the radio? 11.30.01 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.30.39 # RaeNye: what was wrong with your x5? 11.32.13 # it died 11.32.26 # linuxstb: yes, since it inits the chip 11.33.03 # See discussion on http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10318 11.33.37 # (13.5 H on X5 for RB) 11.35.31 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.35.52 # RaeNye: quite a big difference with the radio and recoding patch 11.35.53 # RaeNye: died, how? 11.36.40 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 11.36.54 # markun? 11.37.01 # yes? 11.37.04 # you can get datasheet? 11.37.23 # Don't know. I emailed Samsung but never got a reply 11.37.27 # hehe 11.37.32 # I can try again 11.37.38 # nono 11.37.56 # unnecessary 11.38.01 # suddenly. On saturday evening it didn't respond except for intermittent backlight flicker. Then, after 30 mins of trying to get it on, it resuscitated 11.38.11 # They don't answer. 11.38.28 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 11.38.53 # the day after, it died while playing a song. Nothing helped, so I sent it to the lab 11.39.14 # Warranty? 11.39.28 # * petur wonders how iaudio thinks about rb 11.39.34 # there were no experimental features on it, so I'm not sure why it did so 11.39.48 # petur: yes, it's only 3 months old 11.40.03 # * RaeNye heard they don't really care 11.40.16 # lucky you 11.40.46 # the question is what iaudio thinks about amateur soldering :) 11.41.03 # (previous mishap) 11.49.28 # well, I'll be off for a while. See ya. 11.49.39 # * RaeNye snaps his finger 11.49.41 Quit RaeNye ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 11.52.26 Quit theli_ua ("leaving") 11.52.27 # * dan_a wonders whether it would be a worthwhile task to try and make Rockbox compile with "-Os" on ARM processors 11.54.47 # Jungti1234: I just wrote them another email. Let's hope for the best. 11.55.56 # When I asked them about the S3C2440 in my Gigabeat they emailed me (an older version of) the user's manual 11.59.22 Join S0ap [0] (n=bob@unaffiliated/s0ap) 12.00.05 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@c.200.177.a408.dyn.adsl.cyfra.net) 12.00.27 # hehe 12.01.29 Join DoubleThink2 [0] (n=ss@c211-28-55-23.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.01.47 # Heya 12.02.00 # Could someone help me.... again... please =( ......? 12.02.29 # after repartitioning the iPod.... iTunes doesn't recognise it as an iPod... and the apple instructions don't help 12.03.02 # Can't format using any formatting tool for windows.... updater says "Can't mount iPod" 12.03.54 # (iPod boots up normally)...... anyone? 12.05.46 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.05.59 # DoubleThink2: did you try emergency disk mode? 12.06.36 # there's an emergency disk mode? 12.06.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#Recovering_from_a_crash 12.06.43 # ....(as in not the regular disk mode?) 12.07.26 # yeah I used one of those mbrs to repartition the iPod 12.09.50 # DoubleThink2: I was talking about "Whilst the iPod is rebooting, hold SELECT and PLAY together to enter disk mode." 12.10.01 # ah yeah 'course 12.10.23 # just wondering for what reason would iTunes not recognise the iPod even though... it's there.... in disk mode..... and if it's not in disk mode it boots up normally... 12.11.30 # no idea. I had similar problems with my sister's ipod last week. 12.12.42 # I hate iTuned =) 12.12.46 # *iTunes 12.13.49 # Never used it 12.14.23 # yeah I just use rockbox.... but this is for someone else.... I doubt she will be bothered getting used to rockbox 12.15.09 # Does she also hate iTunes? 12.16.06 # I don't know... but she has been using it for ages.... and I will feel bad if I fix it but not perfectly 12.22.03 # Think I will keep trying to format using the HP thing until it works.... 12.22.28 # DoubleThink2: were you able to enter the disk mode? 12.22.34 # yeah 'course 12.22.35 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.23.06 # heya linuxstb..... can I get some help again? 12.24.32 # hmm damn.... but yeah.... I can get into disk mode and all 12.24.54 # Did you restore the firmware partition, and format the FAT32 partition again (after restoring the MBR) ? 12.25.00 Quit nudelyn ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 12.25.29 # I did now...but I had the same problem before 12.25.39 # before I formatted the FAT32 partition 12.27.27 # My advice is the same as before: 1) Restore the MBR; 2) Unplug and reattach; 3) Restore the firmare partition; 4) Format the FAT32 partiton; 5) Unplug and enjoy your ipod. 12.27.51 # format using what? 12.28.06 # (if I am on windows) 12.28.17 Quit Jungti1234 () 12.28.20 # Why would you be on Windows? (I thought you had Linux installed?) 12.28.31 # This kind of this is much easier from Windows. 12.28.36 # I do..... I need this iPod to be recognised by iTunes 12.28.37 # s/Windows/Linux/ :) 12.29.18 # The first thing is to restore correctly. Then you can try and fix any issues with Windows/itunes (but I can't help you there). 12.29.18 # the iPod works fine with rockbox and all... but using apple OS.... can't upload songs onto it... 12.29.41 # So the Apple OS starts OK? 12.29.45 # yeah 12.29.50 # that all works fine 12.30.57 # Then there's not much I can suggest - ask Apple Support :) 12.31.29 # hmm.... they don't have an IRC channel though do they? =( 12.32.35 # it will be dodgy and through email and they will tell me to boot into disk mode and use the updater even though I would have written them in the email I tried it..... then they would reply after I clear that up for them and tell them to reinstall iTunes and other pointless stuff I allready tried... then eventually give up and tell me to send them the iPod for them to fix.... 12.32.40 # natural order of things 12.34.13 # I don't think many people here have even installed itunes... You could try just uninstalling it and using a different application to transfer music for Apple's OS if you want to use it. 12.35.01 # I wouldn't use apple os if I had rockbox... but this isn't for me... fixing the iPod for a friend 12.35.50 # DoubleThink2: Can you see the files on the iPod in Windows Explorer? 12.36.13 # yeah 12.36.49 # It boots into AppleFW, but itunes won't copy songs? Or itunes pretends it doesn't even see the ipod? 12.36.56 # When I got the can't mount iPod error, the only thing that worked was a system restore from the iPod Updater utility 12.37.39 # the iPod mounts... the iPod Updater utility says "Can't mount iPod".... so I can't use that...... and iTunes pretends it doesn't see the iPod 12.37.41 # But that zaps all the music on the drive, so try to back it up first 12.38.49 Join BockBilbo [0] (n=BockBilb@eu85-84-43-70.clientes.euskaltel.es) 12.38.51 # hello 12.39.00 # nuh dan, my iPod is a bit more messed up than that 12.39.14 # 'morning 12.39.20 # DoubleThink2 - I know you said you reinstalled itunes, but when? Wouldn't a failure of the itunes background service (forget the name) to load cause both those problems? 12.39.27 # BockBilbo: hi 12.39.37 # :) 12.39.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.40.24 # iPod service? yeah.... I reinstalled all the apple software before coming here..... but I think I will try it again because I didn't restart 12.40.27 # what's the proper way to add album art support to rockbox on a 5 gen ipod? 12.40.42 # DoubleThink2: Mine had exactly the same symptoms after the battery died mid-transfer. Try selecting "Restore" from the iPod updater utility 12.40.45 # is there any precompiled package mantained by someone? 12.40.59 # no dan..... it doesn't work that way... 12.41.19 # iPod updater utility doesn't get that far 12.41.28 # BockBilbo: Look for the "ipod experimental build" thread in the forums. That's an unofficial build with various patches, including the album art one. 12.41.28 # dan_a: I had the same problem and the updater also fixed it 12.41.39 # DoubleThink2 - because to me it sounds like the ipod works fine, the only problems I see are a failure of Apple software to interface with the ipod, and that sounds like a PC side failure of Apple software. 12.41.40 # linuxstb, thanks 12.41.43 # gonna take a look 12.41.57 # reboot 12.42.39 # yeah thanks a lot S0ap, linuxstb and markun.... it's probably that I didn't restart.. 12.42.48 # linuxstb, is this what you are talking about: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4342.0 12.42.49 # ? 12.43.08 # woo, didn't break the build 12.43.19 # BockBilbo: Yes. 12.43.33 # :) 12.43.53 Quit DoubleThink2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.45.01 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 12.45.06 Quit juxtap (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.45.11 # great! it also has the audioscrobbler plugin!! 12.45.23 # by the way, how do people send their stats to last.fm? 12.46.40 # there is a perl script u need to use 12.46.52 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@41.208.194.116) 12.47.01 # or use http://rockscrob.hostvit.ru/ 12.47.49 # JdGordon, where can i find the perl script? at the forums? 12.48.05 # ye, umm.. its there somewhere :p 12.48.14 # hehe 12.48.19 # you can get the script here: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42767 12.49.39 # hmm, committing another tagcache update soon. Then it should be ready for users to start experimenting with the runtime db 12.50.22 # Slasheri: Did you abandon the idea of checksums? 12.51.28 Part juxtap 12.51.43 # linuxstb_: yes 12.52.00 # i think alternative ways for doing that might be better 12.52.23 # for example if file has been moved, we can compare other tags (artist, title, length) etc. to found a match 12.53.25 # for example length and bitrate should never change 12.53.44 # I think it would be nice to use existing metadata where available. For example, in my rips I store the CDDB ID for the CD, and the track number. Also the MD5 checksum for FLAC, which I've mentioned before. 12.54.17 # * LinusN has installed two new TWiki plugins, DirectedGraphPlugin and BeautifierPlugin, see the results here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUsbHandling 12.54.37 Join DoubleThink2 [0] (n=ss@c211-28-55-23.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.54.58 # But then again, it's unlikely I'll ever rename my tracks, so it's not an issue. 12.55.01 # linuxstb_: hmm, true. that might be possible in future 12.55.30 # but it shouldn't be a problem to find the correct track if only filename has been changed 12.55.44 # then it would be almost impossible if both tags and filename has been altered 12.56.30 # I think the main problem will be tracks which go from being completely untagged to being tagged - as a result of someone cleaning their collection. 12.57.09 # if they have been tagged without changing the filename, it should be possible just to update the db 12.57.20 # (not possible yet but could be in future) 12.57.52 # i have planned adding a file modified timestamp so tagcache could detect if tags has been updated 12.58.10 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@71.33.237.233) 12.58.20 # currently it's just possible to export and import an ascii file containing the runtimedb data 12.59.12 # that makes it possible not to lose data when tagcache version changes 12.59.23 # * amiconn still doesn't understand the point in having a runtimedb 12.59.28 # but user needs to do manually the import/export 12.59.40 # amiconn: hmm, how? i already use that to generate smart playlists 13.00.10 Join muesliii [0] (n=muesli_t@203.187.240.141) 13.00.22 # amiconn: for example i listen to a tracks i have never listened (by runtimedb) for a few hours 13.00.36 # then i go to bus and listen to tracks only which have score > 70% 13.00.54 # Does tagcache contain a "date added" field? 13.01.06 # Yeah, that's where I don't get the point 13.01.11 # linuxstb_: no any date fields yet 13.01.21 # I can decide myself what to listen to 13.01.35 # amiconn: so i don't need to constantly use the skip button if i don't like to 13.01.37 # Music I don't like gets deleted (or not added in the first place) 13.01.41 # what if the length and the filemname changes, but the tags stay the same (e.g. if you cut silence at the end of the file and rename it to *.ed.mp3 to indicate that you have edited it). but i think this is a special case that doesn't necessarily have to be considered. 13.01.55 # without runtimedb it would be necessary to skip tracks a lot 13.02.10 # * amiconn practically never skips 13.02.15 # thanks a lot PaulJam 13.03.04 # hehe, sometimes it could take a lot of time to skip between tracks until you found something you would like to listen to 13.03.15 # and after that track finishes, you have to skip more again.. 13.04.02 # is the album art patch supported on ipod videos? 13.04.08 # *video ipods 13.04.30 # It works on the video ipods, yes. 13.05.16 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.05.55 # mmm sucks that on the experimental build doesnt 13.06.11 # i guess im going to have to compile rockbox by my own 13.06.38 # ok... I give up fixing my iPod.... 'night people 13.06.49 # gnite DoubleThink2 13.07.06 Part DoubleThink2 13.07.23 # BockBilbo: What makes you think it doesn't work? 13.07.34 # http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/patches.htm 13.07.41 # this line: # Album Art Colour Only 13.07.46 # ... 13.08.15 # I assume that refers to it working only on ipods with colour LCDs. 13.08.24 # i.e. the Color/Photo, Nano, 5g 13.08.51 # LinusN (regarding the twiki plugins) very good result, but what about the "diff" theme ? 13.09.01 # mmm 13.09.08 # Bg3r: working on it 13.09.18 # but then it also says that some other features work just for 5g 13.09.37 # but well, i could try 13.09.55 # though i first have to wait till apple sends me a new ipod 13.10.38 # * linuxstb_ goes for lunch 13.10.41 # * linuxstb_ is away: I'm busy 13.12.12 # * amiconn wonders about the way Slasheri is choosing music 13.13.26 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.13.53 # amiconn: i usually like shuffle all music i like on my player :) 13.14.15 # but the problem is, there is also many tracks i don't like 13.14.37 # there must be unpredictable amounts of usage patterns which people use, or would use if their player supported them 13.15.08 # these smart playlist things are pretty popular on non-portable music players already 13.15.12 # Slasheri, i have the same problem on amarok 13.15.31 # that's why i make a selection of the music for my ipod 13.15.59 # * amiconn wonders why people don't simply delete music they don't like 13.16.21 # * BockBilbo has music of his parents too, so he has to keep them 13.16.25 # * LinusN wonders why amiconn always speaks in third person 13.16.37 # hehe 13.18.02 # for me it depends on my mood if i currently want to listen to a song or not, so sometimes i skip a lot when i listen in shuffle mode. 13.18.04 # amiconn: that would make it hard to keep player in sync with pc and then it would contain incomplete albums 13.18.19 # ?? 13.18.33 # Hmm. Seems like I have completely different listening habits 13.19.04 # PaulJam, thats right, it always depends on the mood, it sucks to hear happy music when someone is sad 13.19.31 # I have a 60gb 5g so I carry a lot of party music that I don't like but people are usually quite happy that I have when I bring it 13.19.36 # I'm often in a mood where I skip a lot of (especially slower) songs in an album, but I'd hate to not have those with me because I'm not always in such a mood 13.19.54 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.19.59 # though I don't know whow smart playlists would help that 13.20.11 # I could perhaps have a BPM tag or something, heh 13.20.24 # amiconn, the reason why i have 60gig ipod is because i like carrying all my music on my pocket and it is obvious that im not going to like all the songs from each album i have 13.20.54 # crwl, that would be hallerious hehe 13.22.03 # by the way, what music player do you guys use? 13.23.08 # I mostly listen to albums, and usually I like all songs from albums I keep. For the very very exceptions I have pre-made playlists that exclude 'bad' songs 13.23.34 # s/very very/very few/ 13.24.13 # i do listen to full albums too, though i depending on the day I rather shuffle all the tracks i have 13.24.19 # When I'm not listening to albums, I make a shuffled playlist of a 'various' folder under a certain style 13.24.40 # amiconn, how do you organize your music? 13.24.42 # I never shuffle all tracks on the player 13.25.40 # like, lets say, i have a folder called music and inside of it different directories for the artists/bands which have the album directories on them 13.25.44 # style ("genre") -> artist -> album 13.26.02 # mm interesting 13.26.02 # has anyone worked with GraphViz before? 13.26.04 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net) 13.26.29 # I'd like to set the default background for the graphs in twiki 13.26.33 # my problem is that i havent tag my music files genre 13.26.46 # The 'style' classification is rather coarse (ca. 10 folders) 13.27.03 # its so hard for me to define which genre is one artist related to 13.27.28 # I also have very few tracks with genre tags 13.27.29 # BockBilbo: isn't your music directory awfully large, then? 13.27.45 # zagor.... about 500-600 artist directories 13.27.58 # 8-) 13.28.16 # mmm my bad 13.28.22 # I split into broad meta-categories, like Classic, Rock, Electronica, Soundtrack etc. 13.28.25 # 449 artis directories currently 13.28.29 Quit darkless (No route to host) 13.28.40 # Granted, the "Pop" directory is huge but at least it's not got spoken word in it 13.28.41 # Then I have a "various artists" artist entry and "various tracks" album entry in most folders 13.29.17 # Stuff that doesn't belong to an album (singles and single tracks from albums I don't keep as a whole) go into "various tracks" 13.29.26 # amiconn, i wouldnt be able to have my music that way hehe 13.29.34 # BockBilbo: why not? 13.30.01 # i guess i like to have all groups gathered together 13.30.20 # i also have other song folders, as amiconn has 13.31.09 # but for b-sides, i usually have a folder called "singles" on which i create diferent folders for each Single CD name 13.31.17 # on which i put the b-side songs 13.31.39 # if i would organize my music by genre, i guess i would propably have a problen to find a specific band/song afterwards. 13.31.49 # right 13.32.01 # appart from that, there are lot of bands that dont belong to a single genre 13.32.01 # Zagor: So your categories are like my "style" classification then 13.32.25 # amiconn: yeah. I think most us old archos-heads do it this way. 13.32.26 # amiconn, i guess they are 13.32.27 # Btw, I have the various style directories in the root. No separate 'music' directory 13.32.35 # same here 13.32.55 # For data carrying purposes, I have a .data directory 13.33.10 # This way it's hidden during normal use 13.33.29 # amiconn, i rather have a music diectory.... dont ask me why 13.33.33 # 8-) 13.34.01 # whan i used rockbox on my iriver ihp140 i also had a games folder 13.34.15 # on which i had diferent .gb and .gbc files for rockboy 13.34.22 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@203.187.240.141) 13.34.38 # I'm building sims for the various platforms. The sims work, but they show only the display, with the picture of the jukebox. 13.34.42 # i could also have a notes directory to put notes that i would read later on 13.34.51 # with/without 13.35.22 # hello Febs 13.35.48 # Zagor, amiconn PaulJam do you guys use GNU/Linux, XBSD, Win or mac? 13.35.57 # linux here 13.36.01 # So I can't tell what the buttons are (which is the reason I'm building the sims in the first place). 13.36.21 # Febs: to have the picture, start the sim with --background 13.36.21 # Zagor, which distro? 13.36.31 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 13.36.53 # PaulJam: Thanks, that's what I needed to know. 13.36.55 # BockBilbo: debian 13.37.06 # have you tried the ipodlinux installer on it? 13.37.14 # no 13.37.17 # BockBilbo: sometimed ubuntu and sometimes WinXP 13.37.27 # PaulJam, i use to work that way to 13.37.38 # i finally migrated to ubuntu this past year 13.37.39 # :) 13.38.32 # one of the things i hate about the apple firmware for ipods is the way they obfuscate the file names 13.38.35 # that sucks 13.39.05 # BockBilbo: if they didn't, you would be tempted to not use iTunes... :-) 13.39.20 # that's true 13.39.36 # that's one of the reasons I don't like propietary software 13.40.09 # BockBilbo: Mainly windows, linux for some things (but not for copying music from/to rockboxes 13.40.11 # ) 13.40.23 # amiconn, why not? 13.40.49 # i rather use linux than win for copying music from / to rockboxes 13.41.15 # Better (/better functioning) tools for windows than for linux 13.41.35 # i dont agree with you on that 13.41.46 # With tools I mainly mean ripping (eac + lame) and tagging (The GodFather) 13.41.55 # man 13.41.58 # try out easytag 13.42.05 # i use kaudiocreator for ripping and easytag for tagging 13.42.09 # sound converter 13.42.09 # both are great tools 13.42.15 # Other than that, I just need a file browser for copying 13.42.19 # and sound juicer 13.42.29 # nautilus 13.42.37 # appart from that 13.42.38 # I had a look at soundjuicer. Ugly thing 13.42.47 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: or simply mc ;) 13.42.49 # Grip is ok, but I'm used to eac 13.42.50 # but it works though 13.43.04 # <_FireFly_> i use abcde for ripping and encoding 13.43.07 # for ripping and tagging and such stuff i prefer windows too. 13.43.12 # appart from that scp to copy files from remote servers using ssh 13.43.22 # PaulJam, why's that? 13.43.29 # I don't keep my main music collection on any pc 13.43.37 # i use kaudiocreator and amarok 13.43.39 # amiconn, mine is on my own server 13.43.56 # so is reachable by any computer at my home 13.43.57 # I rip CDs, then move the files over to players, then delete from PC 13.44.01 # there is no replacement for eac under linux, and i haven't found a replacement for mp3tag. 13.44.15 # <_FireFly_> PaulJam: try easytag 13.44.18 # PaulJam, what does mp3tag do? 13.44.26 # i bet easytag will replace it better 13.44.27 # perhaps 13.44.32 # you have a win version to try it out 13.44.33 # PaulJam: Have a look at grip. It's ok, and uses cdparanoia for ripping 13.44.34 # what does eac do that is not available in linux? 13.44.36 # easytag is _very_ powerful 13.44.39 # for mp3tagging i use mp3cddb (uses freedb and rocks) 13.44.41 Quit muesliii (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.44.47 # it is 13.45.00 # Nibbler, thats for win or linux? 13.45.08 # linux/cli 13.45.09 # I never uses cddb/freedb for automatic tagging 13.45.18 # Nibbler, i never heard about thosprograms 13.45.22 # Too many typos in tags, on always different style 13.45.23 # i guess i should try them 13.45.26 # i haven't found out how i can show all tags of the files at once in columns, in easytag i can only see the tags of the selected file. 13.45.27 # s/on/and/ 13.45.42 # How does one enter the file browser on the Ondio? 13.45.49 # BockBilbo, with mp3cddb you just run it in like 3 instances, as db-lookups take some time and you can tag like hell :D 13.45.50 # Sometimes all caps, sometimes all lowercase, sometimes proper case... 13.45.52 # amiconn, i use the cddb/freedb info and then check it to fit my needs 13.46.14 # on linux, if everything goes well, there is just need to insert disc into cd driver and wait it coming out. No need for user to do anything in between 13.46.14 # its half-automatic only, you have to check which version he should use to avoid what amicann talks about 13.46.22 # -r 13.46.36 # Nibbler, i see 13.46.57 # but then you could use easytag to set a common capital letter rule 13.47.34 # amiconn: is there a ripping program for linux that supports the AccurateRip database? 13.47.34 # BockBilbo, mp3cddb also rename/moves files 13.48.07 # so you get an album of mp3 and it moves it perfectly into your collection :] 13.48.08 # * amiconn needs to look up what AccurateRip is 13.48.11 # im gonna copy all of this to a tomboy note 13.48.35 # tomboy? 13.49.16 # petur, tomboy is a mono program mostly for gnome to keep track of little notes on the system tray 13.49.19 # Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application for Linux and Unix. It is simple and easy to use, but has the potential to help you organize the ideas and information you deal with every day. 13.49.33 # Nibbler, description is better 13.49.34 # ;) 13.49.44 # ...had freshmeat still up as i was looking up easytag :D 13.49.45 # i mean Nibbler's 13.49.50 # haha 13.50.04 # amiconn: it is some kind of database of checksums of ripped tracks, so if someone else has the same checksum you can be sure that your rip was accurate. 13.51.01 # mmm 13.51.50 # any of you know if its finally possible to watch videos on a 5 gen ipod using an opensource os? Rockbox or IPL basically... 13.53.06 # BockBilbo: probably with ipl 13.53.34 # markun, ive read that it doesnt work for "video ipods" 13.53.37 # * linuxstb_ is back (gone 00:42:56) 13.53.41 # hey linuxstb 13.54.15 # though, im hopefully wrong 13.54.15 # ;) 13.55.39 Join BloodySorcerer [0] (n=BS@cpe-72-230-178-79.rochester.res.rr.com) 13.55.39 # LinusN: you around? 13.55.57 # would you guys add any other patches appart from the ones showed here (http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/patches.htm) to a rockbox build? If some cool patches are missing i might compile it by my own 13.56.17 # PaulJam: If I use the secure ruipping routines of EAC, I think I can be sure the rip was accurate even without a database 13.57.40 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@HSE-Hamilton-ppp3513388.sympatico.ca) 13.58.09 # amiconn: but it "feels" better to have it confirmed by a database :) 13.58.27 # hmm.. guess not... 13.59.09 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-124-247.dsl.pipex.com) 13.59.29 # anywho, im bored and got a bit of time on my hands, can anyone let me know what needs to be done to the dirwalker patch so it can be commited? i know im being annoying, but i dont like working on more than 1 tihng at a time in the codde :p 14.00.16 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 14.00.21 # BockBilbo: here is a nice patch that is not included in the ipod experimental build: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808 14.00.30 # BockBilbo: why do you think those patches will be added? 14.00.38 # also, if anyone wants to comment on the thread about the button loop replacement thingy in the mailing list it would be appreciated 14.00.53 # markun, added where? 14.01.12 # amiconn: If you don't use cddb or freedb, how do you tag/name your tracks? 14.01.51 # BockBilbo: never mind, I probably misinterpreted your question 14.01.58 # i just dont find it usefull to compile a personalized rockbox if there is no other interesting patches appart from the ones of that experimental build 14.02.06 # markun, ;) 14.02.49 # markun, sorry ... i guess sometimes i might have problems explaining myself in english 14.02.57 # im a native basque and spanish spoker 14.03.16 Quit muesli__ ("ich will KEe!!!") 14.03.33 # many non-native speakers here (including myself) 14.04.04 # linuxstb: By hand. 14.04.17 # BockBilbo: If you are borred you could write a basque (euskara?) translation for rockbox :) 14.04.25 # haha 14.04.38 # markun, your right, euskara or euskera 14.04.40 # :) 14.04.52 # well, i rather program than translate 14.04.59 # me too :) 14.05.38 # i have translated some apps before and i really get so pissed of when having to traslate like 10000 lines 14.05.39 # lol 14.05.40 # though 14.05.57 # how many lines have to be traslated into rockbox? 14.06.06 # i might take a look on it 14.06.21 # about 10000 :D 14.07.00 # On the Ondio, when music is playing, what should a long press of the Mode button do? 14.07.10 # Febs: Bring up the context menu 14.07.28 # OK. Is there a way to bring up the Main Menu on the Ondio while music is playing? 14.07.28 # ... 14.07.31 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 14.07.39 # anyway, any link to the po file? 14.07.49 # Febs: Yes. From the context menu, a _short_ press of Mode will show the main menu 14.08.00 # Febs: it's already in the manual ;) 14.08.38 # what does eac do that is not available in linux?. EAC not only rips in secure mode, disables caching, allows you to set the read and write offsets of a particular drive, it also produces excellent logs of all the results. 14.08.42 # Ha ha! Actually, I'm testing patch 5294 on other platforms and I just want to make sure it's not causing any unintended behavior. 14.09.06 # S0ap: grip can do all that 14.09.42 # BockBilbo: look in apps/lang 14.09.47 # (and unlike sound juicer, you can actually control what it does) 14.09.55 # There are 'only' 617 lines to translate 14.10.03 # o 14.10.07 # not that bat 14.10.08 # *bad 14.10.42 # amiconn - hmm, need to look into that, then. 14.11.16 # BockBilbo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles 14.11.22 # I didn't think there was a ripper that disabled caching available for Linux... 14.12.44 # To be honest, I _assumed_ EAC's stack of features was unique, or else Übernet would allopw grip. 14.12.51 # *allow 14.14.48 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dyn-62-56-98-217.dslaccess.co.uk) 14.19.29 # * S0ap kills chat again. 14.23.40 Quit ttyfscker (Connection timed out) 14.24.44 Join ttyfscker [0] (n=ttyfscke@h116.164.140.67.ip.alltel.net) 14.34.48 # I wonder if the wiki would be easier to use if we split up user and developer information in two different webs 14.35.21 # ...or if we'd just end up crosslinking everything anyway 14.35.29 # Is there much user information left now we have an up-to date manual and a separate themes site? 14.35.43 # (and hopefully an online html manual soon) 14.38.16 # I think 1.0 should be halfway between the point where the where the sales people are already selling it as the final version and the point where the developers think it is solid 14.40.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.41.46 # is there any patch to switch of the device before the battery goes totally off? 14.42.36 # * petur thinks gl put one in the tracker 14.42.41 # BockBilbo: you mean idle shutdown or while playing? 14.42.49 # both 14.43.02 # we've had idle shutdown for years 14.43.39 # i remember that when using rockbox on my old iriver, everytime the battery was about to run out, the player was switched off eventually, without a proper procedure 14.44.42 # errr... gl posted a bugreport, Jvo posted a patch ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3001 ) 14.45.54 # BockBilbo: the price of controlled low-battery shutdown is decreased run time 14.45.54 # petur thanks 14.46.13 # Zagor i know 14.46.26 # petur, that patch talks about iriver 14.46.43 Join A_M [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 14.46.45 # do you guys know if this problem also happens on the ipods? 14.46.46 # decreased run time as in it sucks juice to implement? Or decreased runtime in that it shuts off the device earlier than it otherwise would? 14.48.06 # by the way, ive found a death link on the wiki 14.48.07 # though that's for 14.48.09 # not that 14.48.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/tools/gelang 14.48.23 # located at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles 14.48.54 # a death link? 14.48.58 # who killed it? 14.49.40 # hehe.. dont make fun of me... "un enlace muerto" 14.50.20 # it should be http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/tools/genlang 14.50.52 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.51.17 # BockBilbo: fixed 14.51.35 # it is a wiki, you can edit it too ;) 14.51.53 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.52.44 # :) 14.53.24 # S0ap: the latter - it shuts down earlier 14.55.23 # BockBilbo: Yes, Rockbox doesn't shut down on low battery on the ipods either. But the hardware will shut itself down before the battery is 100% empty. 14.55.36 # Anyone here familiar with the tagcache/tagtree code? I'm trying to make sense of it. What's the difference between search clauses and search filters? 14.56.02 # I /assumed/ that, linuxstb - many deviced with LiIon batts do that. 14.56.32 Join bluebrother [0] (n=810dba02@labb.contactor.se) 14.56.34 # so the only problem in that situation is a failure to save state? 14.56.53 # linuxstb_, so i gues that it wont act as on the irivers, when everytime the battery runs out it feels like when you unpluge a computer that is on 14.57.27 # again problems with the wiki? 14.57.45 # I get Template "oopsblacklist" not found. when trying to access it. 14.58.19 # bluebrother: trying to access what? 14.58.22 # BockBilbo: I don't understand what you mean. 14.58.45 # bluebrother: hmm, you could be blacklisted... :-) 14.58.54 # Zagor: wiki main page 14.58.57 # Rockbox doesn't do a clean shutdown in that situation, if that's what you're asking. 14.59.00 Quit Pyromancer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.59.05 # I get the page too 14.59.09 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 14.59.16 # Zagor: tried the wiki main page 14.59.21 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-124-247.dsl.pipex.com) 14.59.23 Quit eGen_ ("mýdlo končí ! ... ručník končí !") 14.59.48 # Zagor: the same here 15.00.01 # only the main page, the others work 15.00.22 # haha, me too now. weirdo 15.00.59 Join Moos [0] (n=527bf814@labb.contactor.se) 15.01.09 # Hi here ! 15.02.44 # LinusN/Bagder: any luck to have recording and radio patch for iaudios in CVS please? 15.03.04 # Moos: Bagder's on vacation... 15.03.16 # oops, ok 15.03.24 # lucky him 15.03.33 # I'll go Saturday ;) 15.04.14 # lucky you ;-) 15.04.37 # LinusN: I remenber you asked RaeNye to check his patches for see if all good for all platforms, and it seems it is now 15.04.40 # hehe :) 15.04.42 # thx 15.05.35 # Zagor: I'm mostly finished with preparations to generate a html version of the manual, but I'm unsure how I should integrate it into the building. 15.05.43 # sorry linuxstb_ i was away 15.06.39 # bluebrother: Have you managed to get anywhere with modifying the makefiles? 15.07.02 # Zagor: You're right about the decreased runtime, but it seems the price of controlled shutdown is much lower on LiIon/LiPo than it was on NiMH 15.07.04 # yes, I modified manual/Makefile and manual/Makefile.pdflatex 15.07.15 # LiIon has a much more predictable discharge curve 15.07.24 # ok 15.07.28 # the problem is that there is no target I could use in the generated Makefile. 15.07.31 # there are DAPs out there with LiPo? 15.07.46 # i meant that when I used rockbox on my old iriver ihp140, when the device was about to run out of batteries it felt just the same as when you disconnect a running computer from the power source of your wall. 15.08.01 # I think if we do a shutdown at 3.5V, this should be safe and only cost about 15..20 minutes of runtime 15.08.01 # I could use the way it already is used for the manual, thus always building both manuals 15.08.08 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.08.09 # bluebrother: Can't you just add a new one - e.g. "html:" which is run by typing "make html" 15.08.26 Join KylePV [0] (n=c9ee6906@labb.contactor.se) 15.08.55 # linuxstb_: this would require changing the generated Makefile (i.e. the generation of that file) which I'm not capable of. 15.09.05 # huh? anyone else unable to access wiki due to "Your IP address is blacklisted"? 15.09.14 # try again 15.09.27 # I added a new target to the Makefile that gets put into the manual/ subfolder of your build dir when you build the manual. 15.09.37 # wee! working... 15.10.01 # bluebrother: You mean you don't know how that Makefile is automatically generated? 15.10.10 # LinusN: wiki frontpage comes up again for me :) 15.10.38 # linuxstb_: the makefile is generated from tools/configure, but afaik I can't change anything there. 15.10.55 # You should be able to - just modify the configure script like any other file.. 15.11.55 # LinusN: now wiki is working - except the CustomWPS page (what I can try out of my bookmarks) 15.12.35 # pixelma: what about it? 15.13.03 # I still get the black listed notificatin - but other pages work 15.13.19 # <_FireFly_> do you realy use the autotools (automake autoconf and co) ? or do you have a self-written configure-script 15.13.24 # pixelma: and now? 15.13.28 # need to leave for some time. Be back in a couple of minutes. 15.13.48 # LinusN: no change 15.14.45 # pixelma: weird, the blacklist is empty 15.15.35 # here the same blacklist error 15.15.48 # now it's working again :) 15.16.03 # <_FireFly_> maybe a browser caching problem ;) 15.16.47 # _FireFly_: actually it was a caching error, but in twiki 15.16.49 # yeah here to wiki works again here too 15.17.37 # A_M: search clauses can filter results by some expressions, such as genre = "something" and score > 70. Search filters allow only filtering based on some tag seek value, for example searching all albums where artist seek value is something 15.18.57 # Slasheri: while you are around, a question please 15.18.57 Join lowlight [0] (n=c730180b@labb.contactor.se) 15.19.14 # Moos: sure, but i need to go soon (in 5 min.) :) 15.19.15 # and what exactly are tag seek values? 15.19.31 # A_M: they are returned by tagcache when doing earlier searches 15.19.54 # A_M: for example searching all artists, and then selecting seek value from one artist to search all albums by that artist 15.20.17 # ah, ok! thanks a lot! 15.20.30 # that is faster filtering method than implementing it as search clauses 15.20.31 # np :) 15.20.42 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@71.33.237.233) 15.21.12 # what is the difference btw update now and initilize now in Tagcache 15.21.48 # and why the update now string isn't translatable? 15.22.10 # Moos: update adds new files and removes entries for deleted files 15.22.28 # initialize removes the whole db (including runtimedb data) and recreates it 15.22.37 Quit theli_ua (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.22.41 # oh ok, thanx 15.22.45 # :) 15.23.12 # and do you know why the "update now" string isn't language depending? 15.23.35 # hmm, it should work if added to the correct lang file 15.23.38 # but back soon -> 15.24.03 # ok, have fun and c you 15.25.11 # Zagor: how can I add my name to the twiki users please?, it seems I'm not 15.27.01 # Hmmm...safetydan's replaygain commit disallows replaygain tags in TXXX fields for id3v2.4. 15.27.25 # I think that's foobar2000's default way of tagging replaygain. 15.27.34 Join eGen_ [0] (i=generat0@boserver.mudecin.cz) 15.27.36 # Can someone with foobar2000 check? 15.33.00 # I use 0.8.3 w/o v2.4 tags. None of my hardware players support them properly. (DVD player, car stereo, etc) 15.35.35 # is it a bug, that in the textviewer it isn't possible anymore to scroll left/right in small steps by holding play+left/right ? or was that feature removed for some reason? 15.38.14 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC") 15.38.45 Join lowlight [0] (n=c730180b@labb.contactor.se) 15.40.00 # bye all ! 15.40.18 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.41.54 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.57 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 15.44.59 # Slasheri: back yet? if not please give me a shout if you read this when you do get back 15.49.57 # Zagor: is there a preferred way the html manual should be outputted (for making it available on the website)? 15.50.33 # Looks like foobar > 0.9 uses id3v2.4 and puts replaygain in TXXX fields. 15.50.41 # bluebrother: what are my options? :) 15.51.14 # I suspect safetydan's commit will disable replaygain for some users. 15.51.38 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 15.51.44 # at the moment I want to output it to a subfolder of the build folder and all manuals are named identical (rockbox-build.html) 15.51.59 # bluebrother: Most html manuals I've seen online come in two versions - a version as a single long page, and a version split into smaller pages. 15.52.14 # So you're just creating a single file at the moment? 15.52.18 # I guess it would be better to have them more distinguishing names (like manual-h300.html) 15.52.38 # linuxstb_: no, but all files start with that prefix 15.52.49 # so that's the name of the start file. 15.53.25 # as the manuals share the screenshot I thought it would be good to have them named after the player (like the mentioned manual-h300.html) 15.53.50 # So you're planning to put all the html manuals in a single folder, sharing images? 15.53.53 # otoh we could just leave it like it is and put them in a subfolder. 15.54.24 # linuxstb_: that was my idea. htlatex uses the subfolder structure that the source has for images, so I thought to keep that. 15.54.56 # also, building the manual as one single page gets as big as about 500kiB+ 15.55.04 # bluebrother: how many html files are each manual? 15.55.18 # so I'd prefer splitting them by chapter. 15.55.49 # Zagor: as much as there are chapters (including appendix sections). Can't check it atm as I'm not at my devel environment. 15.56.02 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@41.208.194.116) 15.56.09 # something around 10 IIRC. 15.56.20 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.56.34 # then I have no problems keeping the all in one dir 15.57.03 # do you have them somewhere I can look? 15.57.31 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.57.54 # I'll try to finish the Makefile work tonight. I have a preliminary manual page set up (but that's still 1 file / manual) 15.58.26 # if you want to have a look on that go here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/html/ 15.58.48 # but I can update that for you later today. 15.59.18 # Wouldn't it be easier to just have a sub-folder for each manual? That way, they are all self-contained, and you wouldn't need to prefix the html files with a unique prefix. 15.59.46 # bluebrother: can you make a summary of all the css classes used? we may want to jazz up the looks a bit 16.00.04 Quit A_M ("CGI:IRC") 16.00.17 # linuxstb_: that was the reason I was asking, but would introduce a lot of the screenshots being redundant. 16.00.21 # subdir or prefix both work for me 16.00.39 # ok, then I'll leave the subdir for now. 16.00.58 # Zagor: the classes are auto-generated. Haven't looked into them 16.01.21 # but afaics we could overwrite most of them with their global tags. 16.01.35 Quit KylePV ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.01.49 Part LinusN 16.02.06 # and simply import that stylesheet. Or mod_rewrite the old stylesheet to a new one which includes the old one ;-) 16.02.41 # also, htlatex allows adjusting the css. Another thing I haven't looked in for now. 16.02.42 # ugh :) 16.03.23 # If you're not in a hurry for this I can try adjusting the style to the style of rockbox.org, but I won't have much time in the next weeks. 16.04.01 # back to the makefile: atm you can build the html by calling make -C manual html from the builddir. 16.04.01 # let's do it itertively. we'll get it out there first, then prettify it 16.05.00 # that was my intention too. I guess mostly blind people are waiting for the html manual ;-) 16.05.37 # it's not a bad thing to get it googled, though. can help (the few) people who search before asking. 16.06.04 # sure. 16.06.33 # to build you need tex4ht installed if you haven't already: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn.html 16.07.50 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@p54B7F4B5.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.08.59 Part lowlight 16.11.25 # ok, I'll be back later. I hope to finish the manual stuff today. Unfortunately RL occupies me pretty heavily. cu 16.11.31 Quit bluebrother ("CGI:IRC") 16.11.54 Join RaeNye [0] (n=c7cb43c9@labb.contactor.se) 16.11.57 # Aloha 16.12.16 # oh no, that hawaian again ;) 16.14.37 # * RaeNye hands petur an oversized floral necklace 16.15.06 # * petur thinks it fits the current heat perfectly 16.15.48 # brb 16.24.03 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.32.50 Join A_M [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 16.33.14 # if anyone is looking for a good way to spend an evening with drinks and mates, hire the wondershowzen dvds and watch them 16.33.18 # farking hilarious 16.40.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.41.02 # * Zagor goes on vacation 16.41.16 # ...but I'll be watching! ;-) 16.41.18 # * petur tomorrow morning :) 16.41.29 # bye all 16.41.30 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.41.32 # bye 16.44.20 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.47.23 Quit A_M ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.50.05 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 16.55.52 # Has anyone experimented with using different compiler optimisations for Rockbox? 16.56.05 # * petur points to amiconn 16.57.43 # I've done builds which I'll test in the next couple of days using -Os, -O2 and -O3 16.58.23 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@67.41.198.205) 16.59.05 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 16.59.13 # I think the codecs define their own -O options in apps/codecs/[libname]/Makefile - did you change it there as well the main Makefile? 17.02.05 # No, I didn't... I assumed that anything which overrode the default did it for a reason 17.05.55 # I'm going to end up with so many builds of Rockbox to test - I've got 4 already! 17.06.18 # -O2 is slower for arm, as is -O3 17.06.32 # (iirc) 17.06.41 # -O3 might not work at all 17.07.25 # Someone should try to get thumb code to work 17.07.30 # Maybe libmad shouldn't be using -O2 then... 17.08.14 # Certainly worth a try 17.08.15 # What's the advantages of thumb code? 17.08.23 # I only experimented with the core 17.09.12 # dan_a: standard arm instructions are 32bits, thumb instructions are 16bits. Less data to load, especially useful with a 16bit memory interface 17.09.18 # (which the ipod uses afaik) 17.09.59 # That sounds worth experimenting with 17.10.12 # Of course there is a tradeoff, otherwise one would always use thumb code: the instructions are more limited (i.e. addressing modes missing and such) 17.10.26 # That means code size isn't cut exactly in half 17.10.58 # dan_a: Also, don't assume that anything that's been done to optimise for other targets will be optimal for the ipods - almost all the codec optimisation so far has been for the irivers (Coldfire CPU). 17.11.05 # We also need to be very careful about interrupt handlers then. 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All the info is there. 18.40.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.41.11 # Thei didnt givi it i understand 18.41.21 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.42.13 # exactly 18.42.22 # bad 18.42.29 # sorry i need to go... 18.42.45 Quit Gnelik ("Gfrf!4edss") 18.45.08 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 18.49.29 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.50.20 Join webguest78 [0] (n=d92c7247@labb.contactor.se) 18.51.07 Quit bondolo (Excess Flood) 18.51.16 Quit Jungti1234 () 18.51.28 # anybody wanna commit this - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5665 ? having NAVI as the H300 string might not be a good idea as i think it's referred to as SELECT everywhere else 18.52.08 # but the button has "NAVI" written on it. 18.52.08 Join bondolo_ [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 18.52.13 Nick bondolo_ is now known as bondolo (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 18.52.45 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 18.52.51 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h94n8c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 18.53.00 # and often people tend to not read the documentation. 18.53.41 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 18.54.00 # It should be NAVI, IMO. Anything else would be confusing. 18.54.53 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.55.14 Quit bondolo (Client Quit) 18.56.30 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 18.56.32 # sounds fine - but a commit should happen, it can't exactly break anything can it? 18.58.10 Quit webguest78 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.58.33 Join egotrippen5 [0] (n=4616e17b@labb.contactor.se) 18.58.54 # I don't know if voice can handle per-target strings yet... (amiconn ?) At least, there are no target-specific voice files in the wiki. 18.59.34 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.00.48 # Hello. What symbols are defined during a build to tell if the bootloader is being built? 19.02.07 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 19.02.09 Quit egotrippen5 (Client Quit) 19.02.28 # I've seen "BOOTLOADER". Is that it? 19.02.56 # Yes. 19.03.34 # linuxstb_: Thanks 19.05.19 # RaeNye: I've gotten that BL flashing you were talking about when inserting/removing the unit from the cradle. It even happened after flashing the OF. Seems to happen if you make a move too soon. 19.09.11 # * linuxstb_ has been blacklisted on the twiki :( 19.11.31 # linuxstb_, do you think it's ok if I name the targets manual-pdf, manual-html and manual-zip? 19.11.48 # * linuxstb_ discovers he isn't blacklisted on all pages... Just IpodFAQ... 19.12.31 # What's in the zip file? html or pdf? 19.12.48 # html. pdf wouldn't make sense IMO. 19.13.11 # isn't PDF already compressed 19.13.14 # * Lear is blocked there too... 19.13.49 # PDF can be compressed (to a large degree at least)... 19.13.51 # linuxstb: There are plans to make voice files target specific. (1) It will save space by not including unneeded clips (e.g. radio on ipod) (2) It will allow to use different codecs per target 19.14.01 # * amiconn is waiting for speex support 19.15.19 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 19.15.27 # Is voice a reason not to commit the "NAVI for yes" patch yet? 19.16.23 # bluebrother: Also, can you generate both single-page and multi-page versions of the html manual? 19.16.49 # I could, but this isn't integrated in the Makefile yet. 19.17.05 # Another thing I am waiting for is a clarification about the legal status of at&t voice files. Cassandra wrote a letter to at&t, but unfortunately she disappeared almost 2 months ago... :( 19.18.08 # NAVI for yes is just one tiny spot of a required langv2 rework 19.18.34 # s/required/necessary/ 19.19.47 # linuxstb: Hi, I understood from pjulius blog that you helped him connect his itrip, can you please give me a pointer to the code where you had to enable acc. power supply? 19.21.04 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549650FC.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.21.24 # It's in CVS already - it was just a few lines to enable the power outputs in the dock. So if your itrip doesn't work, then I don't know anything else to try. 19.21.43 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p5493309B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.22.15 # linuxstb: I'm trying to do something else, not iTrip 19.22.22 # linuxstb: and I need 5v :) 19.22.56 # The relevant CVS commit was on the 2 May 2006 - search for it in this page: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html 19.23.39 # linuxstb: it is just on ipodlinux dock page they say pin #18 is stepped up to 5v in some cases, I don't understand how is it done and whether I can control it from software 19.24.03 # The code is in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c - the pcf50605_init() function. The datasheet for the pcf50606 should be in the wiki. 19.24.11 # linuxstb: another wird thing is pjulius claims he used pin #17, which is undocumented 19.24.15 # linuxstb: thanks! 19.26.14 # linuxstb: while yo're here, is there any implementation of serial in rockbox? not acc.protocol, but just plain read/write byte through tx/rx there? 19.27.35 # No, nothing for the ipods. IPL has drivers for both the 3G (PP5002) and 4G+(PP502x), but I've been told by the devs that they could never get the 4G to talk to anything - i.e. it doesn't work. 19.28.18 # didn't they connect to all kinds of keyboard etc? 19.28.38 Quit A_M ("CGI:IRC") 19.28.41 # Maybe on the 3G, but not the 4G AFAIK. 19.28.44 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 19.29.06 # and I assume by 4G you mean 5G as well? 19.29.06 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.29.33 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 19.30.03 # Yes - this is all dependent on the CPU - the 3G has a PP5002, and the 4G and later (including mini, Nano, 5g) have PP5020, PP5021 or PP5022 CPUs which are all register-compatible. 19.30.18 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 19.30.21 # (1G-3G have PP5002) 19.30.52 # I see, this is very bad news 19.31.06 # It's an opportunity... 19.31.13 # :) 19.31.52 # What are you trying to connect? 19.31.58 # I maxed out my vacation days at work, so I am considering taking a few days off to work on the ipod 19.32.45 # linuxstb: I wrote a plugin called rockmaps, which shows, navigates and zoomes in-out maps using google titles 19.32.53 # linuxstb: I'm trying to connect GPS to it :) 19.33.24 # Slasheri: i'm trying to figure out the tagnavi.config syntax and have a question: is it possible to express an "or" (e.g. if i want to list all tracks that have either the genre metal or gothic) ? 19.33.32 # linuxstb: I ordered one of these Holux GPS with TTL level RS232 19.33.56 # Hehe, nice idea 19.34.09 # linuxstb: and I was kind of hoping that the UART driver part will not be a problem 19.34.16 # The archos has a working serial port that just needs a tiny mod to be used 19.34.30 # * amiconn just got the weird idea to hook up a modem 19.34.41 # hehe... 19.35.02 # PaulJam: I would be interested to know the syntax, too 19.35.10 # It could be possible to play (low bitrate) shoutcast streams... 19.35.22 # Maybe there should be a paragraph in the manual for that 19.35.23 # PaulJam: that's not yet possible.. but will be added in future 19.35.43 # Slasheri: ah, thank you 19.35.48 # :) 19.35.52 # linuxstb: anyway, thanks for the help, I'm off to real work now 19.36.47 # It could be worth talking to the IPL devs - maybe they know more on the exact status. i.e. if they failed to get _any_ serial comms working, or just failed to talk to official accessories. 19.37.08 # But I'm guessing it will be the former. 19.37.23 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 19.40.19 # Slasheri: Is the syntax subject to change, or just add some features? 19.42.30 # Genre9mp3: some small changes are possible but i don't think it will entirely change 19.44.20 # Would be possible to use "HAS" "NOTHAS" and "IS" or something like that in tagcache? 19.44.54 # at least i think that adding brackets would be good, something like ( genre = "metal" | genre = "gothic" ) & score > 70 & lastplayed < serial - 20 19.45.05 # even that would be quite hard to parse 19.45.37 # Genre9mp3: not is not yet possible, but is "=" and has "~" 19.45.43 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 19.45.47 # in fact "has" is "contains" 19.46.02 # yes...I meant has that way... 19.46.03 # and "^" begins with 19.46.11 # ah.. 19.46.16 # cool 19.46.24 # So only "nothas" isn't possible 19.46.36 # not yet 19.48.20 Join webguest08 [0] (n=577b1073@labb.contactor.se) 19.51.09 Quit webguest08 (Client Quit) 19.54.17 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 19.59.35 Quit lightyear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.13.34 # back 20.14.09 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 20.14.13 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 20.14.37 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.16.06 # linuxstb__, I just submitted the changes for the html manual building. I hope I didn't break anything. 20.21.38 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.23.57 # bluebrother: I've only looked at the diffs, but it seems fine. I'm looking forward to seeing them on the website. 20.24.09 # me too :) 20.24.31 # it's still some work, but initially its building. 20.24.47 # time for me to get back to RL a bit more ;-) 20.25.32 # bye 20.25.39 # * RaeNye snaps his finger 20.25.41 Quit RaeNye ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 20.26.50 Quit elinenbe ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.32.09 # Hanging build again :/ 20.33.17 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.33.29 # Oh...html manual! nice 20.33.46 # amiconn: And no Swedes around... 20.34.01 # Hmpf 20.34.20 # Somehow I think we have too few server admins 20.34.36 # * linuxstb_ thinks t0mas may have access... 20.35.36 # one way to help solve this problem would be to set up the build servers so that as much as possible of the build apparatus is under the home directory instead of in system directories 20.36.12 # Why would that help? AFAIK, the person running the build server can install the compilers anywhere. 20.36.38 # The problem is www.rockbox.org 20.40.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.42.41 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.44.54 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 20.48.06 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Gnelik@193.110.17.19) 20.48.22 # linuxstb_: No Swedes around? :p 20.48.31 # Not that I can help... 20.49.03 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.50.30 # Lear: Go and find Linus... 20.51.03 # While I might be in Sweden, I'm nowere near Stockholm... 20.51.52 # What was the first player Rockbox was madxe for? 20.53.13 # Archos Player I think 20.53.24 # Wasn't it the recorder? 20.53.54 # Either the Player or the Recorder... I'm not sure 20.54.00 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.54.05 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.54.50 # How long wap iPod port? 20.55.26 # I want to guess how long time it would take to prt it to Sandisk e200 20.56.50 # Gnelik: ipod was quick because of ipod linux 20.57.15 # Well, you can't estimate that, you just never know what obstacles will be in the way 20.57.59 # With the gigabeat port sometimes we have a little breakthrough and all goes fast and some weeks nothing happens because we are stuck and/or busy 20.58.38 # Gnelik: The ipod port took about 4 months from start to getting audio playback (Oct 2005 - Jan 2006). That was with two people working on it, and as Markun said, the ipodlinux code to copy drivers from. 20.58.51 # But there's still a lot of work left. 20.59.14 # e200 half a year? 20.59.21 # of 7 month 20.59.24 # long time 20.59.25 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 20.59.30 # :( 21.00.15 # Gnelik: perhaps you can help to make it go faster 21.00.17 # Gnelik: It's impossible to say - it depends how many developers decide to help, how much free time they have. 21.00.28 # (and also how hard it turns out to be) 21.01.06 # markun: with plesure 21.01.21 # but i code on .NET 21.01.33 # VB.NET or C#? 21.01.38 # C# 21.02.03 # If you know how to program it's not that difficult to learn another language 21.02.49 # give me your e-mail because y must to go 21.03.16 # I think it's better you come back here and talk to Bagder 21.03.25 # ok 21.03.29 # bye 21.03.36 # take care 21.07.36 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 21.10.32 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 21.12.51 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p5487561A.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.20.42 Quit ttyfscker ("Leaving") 21.22.15 Join RaiderX [0] (n=iPwn@71.196.36.53) 21.23.05 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-103-68.dslaccess.co.uk) 21.23.12 # hello? 21.23.27 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 21.25.00 # hello. 21.25.39 # i ahte feeling like a noob 21.26.22 # is womeong willing to help me out with themes? im new to rockbox and i installed a theme, but the placement of the text is still like the default theme and all messed up :/ 21.26.30 # *is someone 21.27.23 # Have you installed the fonts zip file? Do the themes you are using require any patches not in the official Rockbox? 21.27.47 # i think, im using jblackglass, i think thewres a patch, but im not sure if its the latest one 21.28.02 # it was posted here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4417.0 21.28.36 # i guewss ill try out that pacth and see what i get 21.29.41 # wth, i keep getting this stupid "youve been black listed" thing, im nto spamming :/ 21.29.58 # In the wiki? 21.30.28 # yea 21.30.34 # Which page(s)? 21.30.37 # also when i tried to go the forums earlier 21.30.41 # the FAQ 21.30.58 # Yes, I got that earlier, and so did others - but only on the IpodFAQ page. 21.31.12 # ok, so then thats just a glitch i guess 21.31.14 # Our wiki admin left for vacation a few hours ago though... 21.31.37 # lol, talk about bad timing 21.33.08 # that happened more than once today - also with the wiki main page.. :/ 21.33.40 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 21.33.46 # hmm, ok, i got another question, how do i get to the main menu from the now playing screen? ive tried every button combo 21.34.11 # omg 21.34.23 # nvm it was center, but it didnt work the first time i teied it 21.36.27 # No, the main menu is the MENU button - but a short press and release. 21.37.02 # A long press on the center menu gives you the context menu. 21.37.26 # is the main menu the one with bookmarks, settings, and info? 21.38.41 Join darth_mall [0] (n=nnevan@zero.navi.cx) 21.39.31 Join Jerry [0] (n=anon@bay2-pool-80.setel.com) 21.39.44 # Yes. 21.39.51 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 21.40.06 # ok, yea, im figuring out the buttons as i go along, i guess ill get used to it 21.40.18 # RaiderX - the reason your first attempt might not have worked is that first button press turns on the backlight? 21.40.24 # aye, rockbox's controls can be confusing 21.40.47 # RaiderX: Be aware that rockbox has a "turn on LCD only" option switched on by default 21.41.05 # so if the backlight is off, and you press a button, it will only turn the backlight on, and it won't actually react to the button normally 21.41.16 # yea, i noticed that 21.41.22 # * Ribs turned that option off 21.41.34 # much easier for using the iPod in one's pocket :) 21.41.35 # hwo do u turn that off? 21.41.40 # It's in the settings 21.41.47 # yea, i use it in my pocket all the tiem, so that might help 21.41.49 # ok 21.41.50 # display settings, LCD settings, I believe 21.41.56 # ok ill check it out 21.41.58 # but that's from memory :) 21.42.17 # well ill find it 21.42.31 # good man 21.42.44 # so for a patch, it is safe to replace the rockbox.ipod? 21.43.21 # so theres no way to really have more than one patch for different themes huh? 21.44.22 # * Ribs runs patch free, I can't help you there 21.44.45 # link me to some info and ill figure it out 21.44.59 # I don't know what themes the patch for jblackglass will break, you should ask in the jblackglass thread. 21.45.07 # ok 21.45.19 # i only plan on using that theme really, or the other blackglass theme 21.45.36 # you could always install the ipodlinux bootloader and choose between multiple installs of rockbox, to run different themes if his patched build breaks other WPSs 21.45.51 # maybe 21.46.17 # you'll get lots of curt responses if you ask for support in the official forums/IRC/etc for an unofficial patched build. 21.46.35 # curt? 21.46.38 # might be best to run a daily for a few weeks until you have learned what is what, then switch to the patched build. 21.47.02 # curt as in short, with an implication of rudeness. 21.47.15 # oh 21.47.32 # hrm 21.47.44 # you can use the standard blackglass theme 21.47.48 # many of the developers are busy trying to support noobies asking the same questions over-and-over on _official_ builds as is, and don't like dealing with support for someone elses build. 21.47.53 # the only thing i trouble with is learning all the terms used here 21.47.57 # what's the jblackglass one got over the normal one? 21.48.08 # i dont know 21.48.12 # ik plannign on tryign both 21.48.16 # just use the normal one :) 21.48.16 # there is a wiki, massive forums, and a manual. 21.48.21 # I replaced the background picture 21.48.27 # now it looks uber-sexy 21.48.28 # \o/ 21.48.40 # i liked how jblackglass looked for a couple reasons, but illl try the other 21.48.47 # jblackglass has a custom statusbar, scrolling text, album art, etc. 21.48.51 # it has the buttons in the center 21.48.52 # yea 21.48.57 Quit Jerry ("and Jerry said to the tards, go forth and lie upon the train tracks and ye shall be cured") 21.54.07 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net) 21.54.35 # anyone here using rockbox on an iAudio X5? 21.54.42 # hello 21.55.52 # does jblackglass need an album art patch? 21.57.17 Join grimman [0] (i=sco@h208n1fls35o916.telia.com) 21.58.44 # Hey, I'm getting "[ERR] read in disk_readThe request could not be performed because of an I/O device error." when trying to back my iPod firmware up with ipodpatcher.exe. Does anyone know what might cause that? 22.02.52 # hey, which font patch do i get? 22.03.11 # theres a whole bunch: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ 22.03.25 # is the top on the latest one? 22.03.33 # oh nvm 22.03.37 # the dates :P 22.05.14 # grimman: Did the "ipodpatcher N" command work to identify your ipod? 22.06.55 # linuxstb_: Yep. 22.07.04 # (number 4 if that's of any interest) 22.07.53 # It starts out with; [INFO] Seeking to sector 63 (new line) [INFO] Writing 224847 sectors to output file 22.07.56 # After that I get the error. 22.08.11 # The output file size varies between just under two megs to roughly 2.5 megs. 22.08.20 # I've tried it a few times. ;) 22.12.10 # I don't know what to suggest - "I/O device error" implies some kind of hardware issue. 22.12.44 Quit lightyear (Connection timed out) 22.15.04 # Bleh. 22.15.51 # I wonder if it might have anything to do with the iPod updater I used earlier today... it did its thing, but afterwards it said something about my iPod not being supported... 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When using the iPodWizard to extract from the updater I get a 12.2 meg file. Am I even on the right track here? 22.45.47 # ipodwizard doesnt extract the firmware 22.46.01 # "Extract firmware binary"... 22.46.12 # grimman: 5g? 22.46.17 # obo: Yep. 22.46.29 # ipodwizard extracts an image of the firmware partition - so 12.2MB is about right for a 5G. 22.46.33 # sounds like the apple os + the firmware for the broadcom video 22.46.44 # ya, i didnt expect it to be 5mb 22.47.33 # grimman: You should rename that firmware file to "bootpartition.bin" and then continue with the install instructions. 22.47.56 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 22.48.22 # But if you got an I/O error when reading from your ipod, I would be surprised if you don't get one when writing - and you'll end up with an unusable ipod. 22.48.48 # linuxstb_: But the wiki says earlier on that the expected filesize for the 5G iPod is ~112 megs and that I extract the OS stuff from that one. The file I have now is too large for the OS alone (apparently) and waaay too small for the whole firmware. 22.49.05 # linuxstb_: The updater itself can update the firmware though. 22.49.29 # I tried the iPW rockbox installer and it messed the iPod up to the point where I had to reset the whole thing. 22.49.50 # which version 22.49.55 # Of what? 22.50.03 # iPW rockbox installer 22.50.04 Quit BigMar992 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.50.10 # 7.7 22.50.13 # grimman: ipod_fw creates files MUCH smaller than the 112mb the original file was. On 5G, I'd guess in the 12ish range, maybe? 22.50.15 # i had no problem with it 22.50.17 # The whole firmware partition is 112MB. But there is only about 12MB of useful data at the start of it - i.e. the 12.2MB file you extracted using ipodwizard - the rest is empty. 22.51.15 # RaiderX: I think it was after the firmware extractor failed (and the iPW just went on as if it hadn't error:ed out), when it was installing the modified firmware. 22.51.24 # linuxstb_: Aha. 22.51.53 # oh, i didnt even backup my firmware b4 installing :P 22.52.29 # It's not so much backing up, I guess, as getting firmware to modify. ;P 22.52.36 # ya 22.52.49 # are you just tryign to mod the theme in the normal firmware? 22.53.01 # I'm trying to install the bootloader for rockbox. 22.53.06 # oooh 22.53.22 # thats the thing that allows you to choose it or the normal fw right? 22.53.53 # Yep 22.54.11 # yea, im probably gonan end up installign that also 22.54.26 # anyone thinking about applying the ipod touch wheel patch ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4721 ) to CVS ? (it would be quite nice) 22.54.37 # touchwheel? 22.54.42 # wuts it do? 22.54.57 # nvm its only 4g and nano 22.55.23 # 5g should be ok too i guess 22.55.26 # dionoea: Do you have an ipod? 22.55.32 # video yeah 22.55.46 # Yes, 4g, nano and 5g use the same button driver, so if it works for one, it will work for all. 22.55.54 # ok 22.55.55 # but i don't know rockbox well enough to apply such a patch 22.56.09 # but whats that patch do? 22.56.16 # RaiderX: If you have Rockbox installed, you already have the bootloader. Are you not yet using Rockbox? 22.56.26 # absolute wheel positioning 22.56.55 # Paul_The_Nerd, i have rockbox on, but i want a GUI based loader 22.57.16 # RaiderX: Ah, well the bootloader for Rockbox isn't the GUI based one. The iPodLinux one is. 22.57.22 # yea 22.57.24 # linuxstb_: btw, do you know how to disable the poweroff button from a plugin ? Doom seems to do it but i can't find how/where 22.57.28 # thats why i mgith get ipl and tyr it out alos 22.57.47 # dionoea: Actually, with the absolute wheel positioning patch you could add a cellphone-like text entry method on iPods. 22.57.57 # i ahevnt been in the ipod scene in a while, last time i was modding my ipod, ipl wasnt available for 5g and the best there was was iPW 22.58.17 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, i saw stuff like that in the ipod linux wiki 22.58.40 # but i was considering it for games or other plugins which need more keys than available 22.58.50 # Yeah, it's particularly useful for Rockboy. 22.58.55 # is doom really playable on the ipod? i ahvent tied it yet 22.58.59 # Sweet. 22.59.17 # "Rockbox Error: -1 22.59.29 # That means rockbox.ipod wasn't found on the disk 22.59.35 # RaiderX: not enough keys ... but it works well :) 22.59.40 # grimman: Did you copy over and extract a daily build to the root of your Fat32 partition? 22.59.57 # ill have o see for myself 23.00.08 # Paul_The_Nerd: Doing that now. 23.00.22 # The "sweet" was because the wiki says it's working if I see that. ;) 23.00.34 # Did the Apple firmware load OK? 23.00.37 # Yep. 23.00.40 # grimman: Oh, right. The wiki used to not tell you that was a good thing, so I thought that was a sarcastic sweet. 23.00.49 # Hehe =) 23.01.01 # I'd be crying if I didn't know a bluescreen with "error -1" was a good thing. ;) 23.01.04 # Usually the word "Error" would send a user into a blind panic with fears of bricking. 23.01.25 # linuxstb_: Did you see there's a 3G CPU speed patch in the tracker? 23.01.31 # dionoea: No, I don't know how Doom does that. 23.02.15 # ah ... too bad :) 23.02.18 # thanks anyway 23.03.42 # dionoea: Well, doesn't a plugin have full control over what the keys do while it's running anyway? Wouldn't it be more a matter of not adding a power off function? 23.03.46 # * Paul_The_Nerd isn't really sure about that. 23.03.57 # It would explain why you can't find it though. 23.04.07 # hey i applied a font patch, but how do i change the font? 23.04.34 # RaiderX: I'm pretty sure that one's in the manual. 23.04.43 # um 23.04.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: i somehow doubt that ... the OFF key handling is directly in the keyboard driver i think 23.04.53 # que? 23.05.05 # RaiderX: Which word didn't you understand? 23.05.25 # what manual? 23.05.36 # RaiderX: The one linked to on both the daily download page and the documentation page... 23.05.52 # so itll tell me hwo to change the font? 23.05.58 # dionoea: I wouldn't really know, since I don't even know which hardware you're talking about. ;) 23.06.04 # RaiderX: Among various other useful things, yes. 23.06.36 # Paul_The_Nerd: any hardware :) see line 500 in the firmware/drivers/button.c file 23.07.01 # ok ill have to check it out 23.07.04 # but it's only annoying on ipods where a long press of the play key turns it off 23.07.15 # Paul_The_Nerd: Just seen that patch now. Nice to see dan_a has been busy. 23.07.31 # dan_a: How's mp3 playback at 90MHz? 23.07.51 # linuxstb_: Slowly getting better 23.08.00 # dionoea: Does that handle the iPod poweroff though? Since that's not really just a button... 23.08.14 # it does 23.08.43 # it checks if the key was repeated more than POWEROFF_COUNT ticks 23.08.46 # Ah 23.09.01 # linuxstb_: With the codec compiled at -Os it seems better still. I'm just trying Vorbis with that to see if it becomes completely usable 23.09.17 # dionoea: Can you power off during other plugins? (I don't have Rockbox on my iPod at the moment.) 23.09.35 # sure ... except in doom (and maybe rockboy ... not sure though) 23.09.47 # maybe they're not ordinary plugins 23.10.09 # They're ordinary plugins, as far as I know at least. They shouldn't be special. 23.11.35 # hah, i found the fonts myself, lol 23.12.27 # Paul_The_Nerd: you're Paul Louden ? 23.12.53 # Yeah 23.13.19 # Aliases: Llorean, Paul_The_Nerd, and "That annoying guy who keeps yelling at me to try to type out full words so people who have to use translation software can read it" 23.13.25 Join miner49er [0] (n=miner49e@62-31-158-232.cable.ubr01.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.13.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: well you should know about the rockdoom way of doing it ! ... (at least you're listed as one of the doom's IPod port authors) 23.14.06 # Actually, I never touched the code as it is. 23.14.14 # ok :) 23.14.23 # * dionoea looks for Dave Chapman 23.14.31 # dionoea: I would just put it down as a bug in Doom... The button driver should handle the shutdown. 23.14.37 # There was a prior attempt at porting a different Doom port, but even then much of the work was done by Karl. I just spent quite a bit of time tracking down where alignment errors happened, and other various crashes the iPod version had that the H300 didn't. 23.14.40 # dionoea: Check the IrcNicks wiki page... 23.14.55 # Hey everyone. 23.15.00 # * Paul_The_Nerd sees Dave Chapman in the list, but keeps his mouth shut. ;) 23.15.14 # * dionoea found Dave Chapman 23.15.22 # Does anyone know why I don't have an apps/plugins/SUBDIRS file? 23.15.24 # lol 23.15.42 # I'm trying to apply the spectrum emulator patch 23.15.54 # linuxstb_: how would the rockdoom plugin bypass the button driver ? 23.16.02 # miner49er: How old is your source, and did you check out from CVS or use the source code download? 23.16.23 # Paul: I resynced last night, directly yo CVS 23.16.32 # dionoea: He said he's just thinking it's a bug. 23.16.47 # * dionoea tries to understand what could trigger such a bug 23.17.01 # aar, sorry, I'm being a cretin. 23.17.08 # I do have it. What a dumbass 23.18.56 # Isn't the iPod supposed to save the changes I make to the settings on the fly? 23.19.00 # okay, here's a real question - why do extra files appear in my current directory? instead of where I would expect them. For instance, the chopper.c file should appear in the plugins dir 23.19.20 # If I reset the device and boot to the default firmware it prompts me for language selection all the time. 23.19.33 # dionoea: I think it's because Doom doesn't call the default_event_handler() in the button loop. 23.20.04 # The button code sends a shutdown message to all threads, and it looks like Doom doesn't respond. 23.20.08 # is that in i_video.c ? 23.20.27 # ok 23.20.31 # grimman: The Apple firmware has been, with the most recent version, acting strangely when Rockbox's bootloader is inserted. 23.20.31 # i'll give it a try 23.20.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: ok... all in regular Apple style then I suppose. ;P 23.21.13 # grimman: On the Nano, with the most recent update, you can't seem to see your music with Rockbox installed. 23.21.36 # Cute. 23.23.22 # Paul_The_Nerd: It's probably worth adding that to the ipodinstallation page(s).. But IMO those pages are already getting too long and confusing with all these extra notes.. 23.23.53 # linuxstb_: indeed ... that was it. Thanks 23.25.20 # linuxstb_: Yeah, I keep finding myself having to add notes to explain the notes, and so on. 23.25.58 # BTW, did you read my suggestions for the forum reorganisation? 23.26.46 # Yes, I did. I think your suggested reorganization layout is almost just right. 23.27.30 # It'll probably end up being what I use, or something very close to it. Once I figure out the best way to migrate and all. 23.28.23 # I'm still not completely happy with them though. e.g. the "New features" forum means that if someone wants to discuss a potential new audio playback feature, they still have the choice of the audio playback forum and the new features forum.. But maybe the purpose of the "New Features' should just be related to development and patches - not for suggesting new features. 23.28.51 # Features requests forum is indeed a good idea 23.28.55 # linuxstb_: Well, feature requests go on the tracker anyway. 23.28.58 # (yes, migration doesn't seem an easy task - unless you recruit a lot of people to help you move topics) 23.29.32 # The feature request forum is really for people to poll relating to "How would you like to see this feature implemented" or discuss ideas for them before posting to the requests, etc. 23.29.34 # Ideally 23.29.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: I don't know if it's related, but setting up Anapod with the iPod may have made the settings "stick", a reset after I transferred an album doesn't result in a clean settings table. 23.29.53 # Yes, I agree - the development side of new features. 23.29.57 # Also, discussing bugs in new-feature patches (like album art) so that the Tracker doesn't become discussion as well. 23.30.30 # So that maybe less support-requests hit the tracker, with luck 23.32.03 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 23.32.11 # grimman: I think it partially depends on how long you've had your iPod on in the retail firmware. I think if you connect USB even once while in Retail, the settings usually stick. 23.32.35 # Paul_The_Nerd: I've had the USB cable in most of the time. 23.32.50 # grimman: Dunno then. 23.33.00 # Me neither tbh. ;) 23.34.43 Join scott666 [0] (n=scott666@c-24-245-69-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 23.34.44 # Anyway, off for dinner, back later. 23.34.44 Part Paul_The_Nerd 23.35.09 Part scott666 23.36.55 Quit miner49er (Client Quit) 23.47.22 Quit arkascha (Remote closed the connection) 23.51.02 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 23.52.33 Quit klrspz () 23.56.01 # D'oh! I thought I'd got some thumb code working, but it just made Rockbox crash 23.57.06 Quit RedBreva ("Time for Tubby ByeBye") 23.58.39 # :) What did you compile as thumb?