--- Log for 21.07.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 17 hours and 21 minutes ago 00.00.53 # But I don't really know what I'm doing, so it all goes horribly wrong! 00.01.28 # That's how to learn... 00.01.55 # I think preglow tried to get thumb code working, but he's not around at the moment (holiday I think). 00.02.10 # :D So far all I've been doing is copying and pasting with style 00.03.13 # So it crashes as soon as you try to play a file with one of those codecs? 00.03.42 # yup 00.03.51 # Did you notice how big the .codec files are compared to the regular ARM versions? 00.04.47 Quit petur ("on holiday, back in 10 days or so :)") 00.05.14 # Vorbis is 4k smaller, mpa is 2k smaller 00.05.15 # There goes another one... 00.06.09 # So a tiny reduction in size then.. Although there is probably quite a lot of data in those codecs. 00.07.00 # Although if you get thumb code working, there is the opportunity to put a little more code in IRAM. 00.08.09 # Most of the codecs contain at least a little ARM assembler - I wonder how gcc deals with that in thumb mode... 00.09.13 # It wouldn't compile bits.c from libmad, but I couldn't see any assembler in that (I just had a quick glance though) 00.10.44 # There are macros in (I think) fixed.h which are used - search for FPM_ARM 00.11.47 # BTW, have you tried SID on your ipod? 00.12.00 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp159-48.adsl.forthnet.gr) 00.12.34 # where do i put my doom WAD? and does doom on rockbox support multiple WAD loading? 00.12.35 # is Thumb another instruction set for ARM cpus ? 00.13.19 # is there any way to get a nicer looking theme on the iAudio X5, or is the black on blue the only one available just now? 00.14.07 # linuxstb: Not yet. At the moment I'm just desparately trying to get MP3 to a point where I can use Rockbox instead of the default firmware 00.14.26 Quit ender` (" Programming is like sex becuse: 6. If you spend more time doing it than watching TV, people think you’re some kind of freak.) 00.15.00 # dionoea: Yes, have a look through the IRC log from earlier today 00.16.07 # * dionoea just had a look at the AMR_architecture page on wikipedia 00.16.11 # looks nice 00.17.58 # do the ipod's cpu have Thumb-2 ? or only Thumb ? 00.18.23 # dan_a: I've added an ipod 3g column to the table at the bottom of this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs 00.18.38 # what devices don't have Rolo? 00.19.04 # I've just ticked the WAV, AIFF and FLAC for now - let me know if you find any other codecs which run in realtime (or edit the page yourself). 00.19.18 # bluebrother: Only the ipods I think. 00.19.57 # linuxstb_: I'll update it when things work. Right - must be off now. 00.19.58 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 00.20.09 Quit dan_a () 00.21.07 # dionoea: Just thumb. 00.23.37 # bluebrother: We can implement rolo for the ipods, but it's just not done yet. 00.26.19 # ^^ 00.26.22 # So far I love Rockbox. 00.30.22 # linuxstb_, thanks. Got to go now. 00.32.55 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.35.04 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.38.27 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.40.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.41.38 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 00.43.33 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@85-210-191-139.dsl.pipex.com) 00.52.49 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host86-136-19-160.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 00.53.32 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host51-162.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 00.54.03 # linuxstb_: SID tunes are another reason to abandon the 1 file = 1 song policy 00.54.56 # True... No-one seems keen on implementing it though. 00.55.52 # true :) 00.55.55 # Any gigabeat news? 00.56.02 # someone should make something which splits SID files into multiple files. they've always been a pain in the arse to deal with. 00.56.19 # (someone = !me) :-) 00.56.38 # there were some attempts to get some minimal bootloader to compile, but I haven't looked at the code they wrote to see what's wrong 00.58.08 # I'ld be happy to have a look if you need help. 00.59.00 # I'll ask them to put the code somewhere 01.05.56 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 01.05.59 # Evenin' 01.12.25 Quit obo ("bye") 01.12.43 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEEEF8.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.13.13 # * linuxstb_ yawns 01.13.46 Join earHertz [0] (n=181ef287@labb.contactor.se) 01.14.16 Quit earHertz (Client Quit) 01.14.39 Join orthogonal [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-30-242-135.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 01.14.41 Quit orthogonal ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 01.14.54 Join earHertz [0] (n=181ef287@labb.contactor.se) 01.15.57 Quit earHertz (Client Quit) 01.16.26 Join orthogonal [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-30-242-135.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 01.18.43 # * linuxstb_ tries out rockpaint 01.18.55 Join carini [0] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 01.19.19 Quit sando (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.19.24 # Can I add a rider to my GPL'd contributions, indicatin gthat no Verrizon employee or stockholder can use my code without paying $10? 01.19.41 # Hahaha 01.20.05 # Verizon: mercenary bastards 01.20.23 # Hello earHertz... 01.20.26 # $10 is cheap :) 01.20.46 # "We only charged you $50 for a refurbished, out-of-date replacemnet phone, so we did you a favor. Now pay us $10 more if you want your numbers transferred" 01.21.02 # They charge you to transfer numbers? 01.21.07 # Yup 01.21.09 # non refundable upon failure :P 01.21.12 # Sounds like you should buy Verizon shares... 01.21.42 # You mean... like a SIM transfer? 01.21.42 # linuxstb_hwey spend milllions to get new custoers, and do nothing to retain existing ones. I should be shorting Verizon stock 01.22.02 # Paul_The_Nerd: no, that;s inmclued in teh $50. I mean phonebook/contatcs 01.22.44 # At cingular, they grabbed my phone from me, dumped phone numbers to the SIM, transferred them to the new SIM card, and then put the new one in the new phone, without giving me any further options such as "No, don't do that!" 01.23.30 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-67-175-35-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.24.01 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders what you're perpendicular *to* 01.24.36 # * linuxstb_ doesn't like rockpaint's use of its own menu and colour picker... 01.25.26 # Consistency _would_ be nice. 01.25.38 # What did you want? 01.26.22 # Well don't we already have a menuing system that's used in several plugins? 01.27.07 # Some plugins (Sudoku, pacbox, Doom) use the standard Rockbox menus, others (Rockboy, Rockpaint) have their own... 01.28.18 # Though, doesn't the RockPaint colour picker offer RGB and HSV? 01.28.33 # There's a vaccine for HSV now 01.28.55 # orthogonal: lol 01.28.59 # Hehehe 01.29.14 # Yes, but the colour-picker in the core can always be improved to add HSV support. 01.29.34 # and for pauli, too 01.29.50 # Color picker in teh core isn't in teh core of non-color devices, right? 01.30.05 # linuxstb_: Well, that's where I was going. Is the Rockpaint colour picker adaptable to general use? 01.30.20 # Possibly. It doesn't have remote support though. 01.30.23 # Aaaah 01.30.24 # Ick 01.30.33 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 01.30.40 # But is there much use for remote support, beyond the ability to control it maybe? 01.31.05 # In the core it's useful if you manage to set the foreground/background to something very similar. 01.31.18 # You can then recover using the remote. 01.32.05 # Ah, that is kinda nice. 01.35.49 # orthogonal: No, the colour picker isn't in the core for non-colour devices, but then Rockpaint wouldn't need it either. 01.37.21 # Other than Adolph and Herbert, what are given names that acquired negative connotations in the last century? 01.38.07 # herbert? 01.38.22 # goffa_: You American? 01.38.25 # yeah 01.39.11 # Herbert Hoover was the president when the depression started, and was blamed for his decision to let the market take care of it 01.39.12 Quit MrStaticVoid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.39.13 Join MrStatic1oid [0] (n=jlee@stealth.thestaticvoid.org) 01.39.17 # ah 01.40.04 # Lyndon does decline precipitaously in teh 70s, after climbing in teh 60s 01.40.23 # I always think of Frank Herbert, rather than Herbert Hoover when I hear the name Herbert, regardless of whether it's someone's given name or not 01.40.54 # heh. Dune was teh first "adult" biook I read, when I was eight 01.42.18 # ah, Winston, that's interesting 01.42.41 # I started with Asimov 01.43.04 # * S0ap jumped right in to the Henry Miller 01.43.19 # yeah, I read a lot of him. Great stories, but they never really touched. me. Now Heinlein, I still re-read several of his novels each year 01.43.40 # Probbaly read Moon is a Harsh Mistress a dozen times 01.43.43 # or more 01.43.46 # Facism w/a libertarian face. He's good, but a kook. 01.43.52 # S0ap: no kidding? 01.44.06 # yeah.. just didn't know which herbert you were reffering to 01.44.17 # How else would you describe his (military based) utopias? 01.44.21 # goffa_: yeah, I should have speciofieed 01.44.48 # S0ap: oh, I thought you meant Miller! 01.44.55 # you're dissing Heionlein 01.44.56 # lol 01.45.07 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.45.13 # not dissing, as I have all his adult novels, just commenting 01.45.14 # but i think you could you could name your kid adolf or herbert and be ok.. other than being outdated names for new people :) 01.45.19 # S0ap: he only had one military governemnt, and he didn't call it a utopia 01.45.35 # not that i'm condoning hitler 01.45.49 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 01.45.52 # besides, the book is really an examination of the US war against teh Japanese in ww2 01.46.49 # Herbert kids have to be careful, what with there being that new Herbie movie and all. 02.10.42 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 02.13.10 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.14.54 # * orthogonal drops a pin 02.15.30 # ouch! 02.15.33 # that was my foot! 02.15.37 # lol 02.15.40 # * BloodySorcerer plucks out the pin 02.21.14 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.21.31 # crap, I forgot to eat today 02.21.55 # how do you forget to eat? 02.22.10 # I was running around doing stuff 02.28.13 # I've forgotten to eat many many times. 02.28.31 # yeah? 02.29.32 # I'll suddenly remember I'm starving, and start searching back to try to remember the last thing I ate, and it's 16+ hours prior 02.35.10 # Paul_The_Nerd: I know what you are talking about! :p 02.35.20 # yup 02.35.38 # "eat"? what is that? 02.35.44 # ;) 02.35.54 # sometimes I can get the opposite though 02.40.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.42.46 # the opposite? 02.42.48 # forget to poop? 02.43.48 # Forget that you already ate? 02.46.28 Part Paul_The_Nerd 02.47.01 # ah he left.... 02.47.54 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 02.50.00 Part pixelma 02.57.49 Quit PaulJam (".") 02.58.46 Quit carini ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 03.03.20 Quit rotator () 03.10.02 Quit Poka64 (Remote closed the connection) 03.19.35 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 03.19.41 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEEC45.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.20.04 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (i=ze@70.40.149.90) 03.21.13 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 03.21.17 Quit TeaSeaLancs ("Leaving") 03.22.34 # ate to ask a noob ?, but where do I put the doom WAD? 03.22.42 # for ipod rockbox 03.26.45 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 03.28.22 # Hm, how come the fonts are messed up when I install and use a theme? 03.29.20 # u need the font patch 03.29.29 # Aha. 03.29.43 # adn then you gotta go in the menus and look for a font that fits properly with the theme 03.30.17 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20060720.zip <--- thats the latest font pack 03.30.27 Join Cc2iscooL [0] (n=44497c95@labb.contactor.se) 03.30.40 # ok, I was looking at that one. =) 03.30.49 # Though it didn't say "patch" so I was unsure. ;) 03.30.50 # Thanks! 03.31.54 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.33.05 # Now... all that's left is good battery time. ;) 03.33.40 # Btw, I read something on the forums about a custom build for the 60 GB video iPods to make better use of the extra RAM... what's that about? 03.33.54 # Ie, what good does that do? 03.34.48 # Does anyone know where I can get the files to flash the Jukebox player? Mr. Jens Arnold seems to have taken them off his site. 03.35.02 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.36.45 Quit Cc2iscooL ("CGI:IRC") 03.39.00 # wuts the jukebox payer? 03.39.04 # *player 03.39.10 # and where do i put the doom wad? 03.40.43 Join Cc2iscooL [0] (n=Cc2iscoo@adsl-68-73-124-149.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 03.43.00 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 03.43.03 Join scott666 [0] (n=scott666@c-24-245-69-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 03.45.48 Part Cc2iscooL 03.45.54 Join Cc2iscooL [0] (n=Cc2iscoo@adsl-68-73-124-149.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 03.48.02 Quit scott666 ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 03.48.38 # Does anyone know where I can get the Jukebox player files to flash it? It seems they've been removed from jens-arnold.net. 03.49.23 # Why aren't you downloading the ones in the wiki? 03.50.14 # I am. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox Scroll to the bottom. 03.50.51 # That page is outdated, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox 03.52.03 # Aah, thanks. Didn't see that page. 03.52.44 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.56.24 # wut is the jukebox player? can i get a likn with some info on it? 03.56.45 # or first, is it not for ipods? 03.57.02 # It's a different MP3 player 03.57.08 # Rockbox was on a lot of other things before iPod 03.57.20 # i know it was 03.57.25 # thats why i asked 03.58.08 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 03.58.13 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.06.50 # http://www.archos.com//support/download/spec_sheets/archos_jukebox_studio_20_en.pdf Here's the one I have :) 04.07.02 # By the way Paul, thanks. Flash worked perfectly. 04.07.22 # Cc2iscooL: Glad to hear it 04.08.12 # I have a quick question, been having a strange problem for a while now with the backlight, and it's not related to settings, it seems only when I hit a button or when the HD is working I get it to light up. Otherwise it's off (as in when I press the button on, when I release it's off again). 04.09.07 # Dunno what might cause that. 04.09.14 # Cc2iscooL: backlight timeout 04.09.34 # It's on 5s. 04.09.47 # increase it 04.11.15 # Seems to get worse actually as I go up, on is the same way. 04.11.26 # worse? 04.11.45 # Yep, it lights up even less...sometimes not even when I press the button. 04.11.59 # device? 04.12.09 # Archos Jukebox Studio 20 04.12.32 # hardware falt 04.12.41 # That's what I was thinking. 04.12.44 # archos qa sucks 04.12.55 # um 04.12.57 # short 04.13.08 # I'm not really worried about it, don't really use it at night...so it's not a huge deal to me. 04.13.16 # buttomnn or harddrive gets poewer, shorts into backlight 04.13.39 # The weird thing is if I just hit menu then back into the file system it works like it should. 04.14.26 # shorts in menu button 04.14.29 # Probably just dropped it and it knocked something lose. 04.14.32 # menu on juskebox is f2? 04.15.04 # F1 04.15.10 # near lcd 04.15.19 # talk to idc dragon 04.15.20 # It's the furthest away actually. 04.15.41 # * orthogonal was thibnking off v2? 04.15.54 # Possibly, this is the old old one. 04.16.16 # idc dragon 04.16.22 # http://www.rockbox.org/docs/newplayer.jpg 04.16.35 # ah 04.16.44 # Looks like that basically...just I have the Studio 20. 04.16.51 # Same design though. 04.16.52 # k 04.18.09 # Would get an IPod and load RockBox on it but they're still quite expensive. 04.18.53 # yah 04.19.21 Join scott666 [0] (n=scott666@c-24-245-69-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 04.19.32 # Ask Pablo in that back alley you shouldn't visit. 04.19.35 # He has cheap ones. 04.19.36 # ;) 04.19.45 # put rockbox on "friend's" ipod. tell friend ipod is broken. offer to take it off his hands for $50 04.19.52 # hehe 04.20.11 # Haha 04.20.25 # Yes but then they get suspicious. 04.20.51 # get stupider friends 04.21.22 # Probably a better thing to say would be "Hey, I know a bit about those things, maybe I can fix it." and tell them later it was broken beyond repair and you threw it away. 04.21.44 # or get an accomplice to do the buying 04.21.53 # I like "get stupider friends" 04.22.02 # Yes but with my way you don't have to buy it at all. 04.22.10 # * orthogonal hugs Paul_The_Nerd, my new friend 04.22.15 # lol 04.22.19 # grrr.. problem with having so much music, i have a song stuck in my head and cant figure out the name of the song, or even the band :'( 04.22.33 # google a bit of the lyrics? that usually works for me 04.22.44 # http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/42605 04.26.08 # yay :) figured it out 04.26.12 # bloody chimaira :p 04.26.37 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.26.44 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 04.27.22 Part scott666 04.27.23 # :( 04.39.40 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 04.40.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.46.44 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.55.43 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@stealth.thestaticvoid.org) 04.55.44 Quit MrStatic1oid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.03.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACAE78D1.ipt.aol.com) 05.08.34 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.13.29 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 05.15.11 Quit MrStaticVoid ("leaving") 05.19.20 Join saratoga [0] (n=416460f0@labb.contactor.se) 05.20.26 # stupid question: how do i get the helloworld plugin to compile in a simulator build? 05.22.33 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@stealth.thestaticvoid.org) 05.23.32 # saratoga: u need to add it to SOURCES in apps/plugins/ 05.23.59 # thanks 05.26.07 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 05.32.31 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 05.34.21 # does anyone know how to run the tools/configure script without user input? 05.35.07 # that was asked+answered a couple weeks ago.. 05.36.11 # ok... ? 05.36.19 # your not gonna make me search are u? :'( 05.36.25 # * JdGordon bbs 05.37.26 # hello everyone... 05.37.40 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) 05.37.41 # Hello. =) 05.37.51 # you can redirect the input into the script, JdGordon. 05.38.48 # i belive such as... "./tools/configure | 15\nN\nB\n" or whatever. 05.40.56 # you "belive", sharpe? 05.41.37 # yeah, i belive. 05.41.45 # not believe, belive. 05.41.56 # tard. 05.42.32 # yep. i love you too midkay. 05.51.04 # 4-port powered USB hub: 19.99, Apple USB wall charger: 29.00. I mean, I guess it's faster, but c'mon... 05.53.24 Join BigMac [0] (n=dummeska@64-252-105-252.adsl.snet.net) 05.53.26 # Paul_The_Nerd: what color is the usb hub? 05.53.37 # Mostly silver 05.54.11 # that's the reason. the nextra 10$ comes from the white color, and the usb and apple logo. and the lack of usb ports. 05.54.33 # Ah yes. White plastic, it is expensive. 05.56.00 Quit BigMac (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.56.10 # see. it's all about color and lack of things that makes stuff cost more. 05.57.13 Join BigMac [0] (n=dummeska@64-252-105-252.adsl.snet.net) 06.00.47 # Dude, the forums put a little phone icon next to posts I type from my mobile 06.08.49 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 06.10.54 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.15.43 # that's neat. 06.17.57 Join gursikh [0] (n=445d502b@labb.contactor.se) 06.19.09 # hello, can someone registered on the wiki fix something Real quick (My opinion) (not owrth registering if I amonly going to fix one thing) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding scroll to bottom table, rightmost entry in top row is ugly image of "updated" please just make into text. 06.19.57 # ooh. ugly. 06.20.09 # did zagor every implement the approval thing yet i wonder... 06.20.12 # exactly 06.20.58 # Really, you should go ahead and register for the wiki. 06.21.07 # aww, i was gonna. 06.21.17 # Someone beat me to editing the page. 06.21.56 # me ;) 06.22.26 # I guess I should, large warning about not registering if I'm not going to contribute 06.23.09 # Hrm 06.23.31 # i've been around quite a bit lurking. 06.24.08 # gursikh: that's stalking in certain places. 06.24.23 # meh, so track me down and stop me........ 06.24.38 # thanx sharpe, ye i tinhk ill have to do something luike that 06.25.21 # Houston, TX? 06.26.33 # that doesn't help you much, houston is BIG, and my IP won't pin me down much more than that 06.27.00 # you'd need the PATRIOT act to make further progress 06.27.09 # LOL 06.27.26 # JdGordon: welcome. 06.27.32 # or I know a guy, who knows a guy... 06.27.43 # who has this cousin, twice removed... 06.28.23 # who will track you down and.... etc. etc. etc. 06.29.45 # i knwo a guy who IS trakicg oyu donw right now gursikh 06.30.25 # Cool, I'll welcome him warmly with various arms. 06.30.40 # who said it was ahim.. 06.30.52 # and its not a her either... 06.31.03 # that's kind of vague, don't you think? 06.31.16 # your dog? 06.31.23 # I'll welcome them/it/him/her/the borg openly. 06.31.58 # does wiki registration access flyspray as well, or is it seperate? 06.32.38 # seperate. 06.37.10 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 06.38.01 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-67-175-35-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.39.38 Join Rondom__ [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE06D.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.40.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.43.24 # is it ok, that on a page with all links to other pages in the wiki, one link is directly to external site (without warning), even though there is a section below that for "external pages" ? 06.44.54 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) 06.47.50 # Please see: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#Howtos under howto, link: "Linux driver for Archos Player/Studio." is external page (albiet apparenlty bjornes site) while all others (sans external pages section) are internal wiki links 06.49.42 # also, on same page under heading [For Developers] link: "How to build and debug Rockbox in the Eclipse IDE." is also external (and reads outdated) 06.51.26 # {eclipse is now version 3.2, and includes many more tools and functionality for working with non Java projects} 06.52.07 Join Pons [0] (n=pons@unaffiliated/pons) 06.53.19 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 06.54.01 # I guess I should register, though I'm very nervous about editing or changing something incorrectly (3 of the links on that page to external pages 404 ) 06.55.37 # gursikh: you can always roll back the changes. :) 06.55.37 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.55.58 # I know, I know, but still. 06.56.39 # Paul, Sharpe, if you see these comments, please change as advised if they have not been changed by me at that point.Thank you for your contributions to Rockbox. 06.56.44 # i'm off to bed 06.57.25 # g'night 06.57.30 Quit gursikh ("CGI:IRC") 06.59.14 Quit Rondom_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.00.46 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) 07.01.46 Part BigMac 07.09.00 # WOW 07.09.04 # look at this hottie: http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=728&CAT=pics&NSFW=4&rtn=search-728&Keywords=nsfw 07.10.26 # ahah, -6000000/29869676 doesn't seem like a good count of how much ram is used. 07.15.50 # is it normal for the ipod to reboot everytime i connect it to USB? 07.16.00 # yes. 07.16.18 # and there isn't any workarounds for this? 07.16.28 # do you want to use rockbox while it charges? 07.16.29 # except for Menu button pressed 07.16.44 # i'd like to be like apple firmware 07.16.57 # rockbox doesn't have a usb mode for ipods. 07.17.12 # do you know if it is in development 07.17.20 # not to my knowledge. 07.18.02 # Pons: It's not in development *yet* because there's not enough knowledge about the hardware to do it at this time. 07.18.32 # ih 07.18.34 # oh 07.18.35 # ok 07.18.43 # i can live with it tho 07.22.43 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-25-46.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.22.50 # what formats does rockbox play? 07.22.58 # a lot 07.23.00 # mp3 07.23.01 # wav 07.23.02 # ogg 07.23.08 # flac 07.23.11 # theres a page that shwo ti 07.23.18 # on the site 07.23.36 # mp3, ogg, musepack, flac, ac, alac, ac3, wavpack. 07.24.18 # shorten, aiff 07.24.40 # midi, sid... 07.32.19 Quit Benacool () 07.33.40 Nick Rondom__ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@p54AEE06D.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.36.50 Part Paul_The_Nerd 07.39.21 # where can I get 07.39.27 # rockboy? 07.40.54 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.42.18 # Pons it's already in the rockbox 07.42.25 # where? 07.42.32 # how can i be sure it is there? 07.42.37 # but u need to save all your gameboy games 07.42.44 # as .gb and .gbc 07.43.27 # where is rockboy? 07.44.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy 07.45.31 # Pons it's a rockbox plugin, but you don't see it in the plugins screen because it's a "viewer", that is, u run it with selecting a .gb or .gbc file from the filetree 07.47.12 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 07.48.01 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 07.48.01 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 07.48.33 Quit Bg3r ("BitchX-1.1-final by panasync") 07.49.57 # ok bg3r, thanks, thats good info 07.53.04 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 07.53.21 # since ipods have only 5 keys 07.53.26 # it is impossible to play :( 07.55.20 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 07.56.50 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.56.54 # i figured it wodul be 07.57.02 # but iif you can play doom, maybe 07.57.23 # and theres some gb games that need few buttons, liek runnign pacman on the NES on the ipod 07.59.45 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 08.00.55 # * amiconn summons Bagder, LinusN or Zagor 08.01.22 # ah, but not sharpe. oh well, maybe someday. 08.05.44 # * scorche is empathetic 08.06.02 # for once. 08.06.57 # only because i feel the same way >_> 08.07.07 # :D 08.08.40 # * scorche saw his dutch friends recently =D 08.09.03 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.09.54 # * sharpe doesn't have dutch friends 08.10.11 # s/dutch/ 08.10.29 # * sharpe does have friends though. 08.11.31 # the chicks there are hot...but it seems like everyone has pointy noses =| 08.11.53 # well at least the ones that i know from there.. 08.13.06 # * sharpe is tired for once. three hours before usual. 08.16.11 # doom runs 08.16.12 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.16.15 # pacman runs 08.16.20 # anyway 08.16.25 # sharpe walks 08.16.26 # rockbox is just cool ;) 08.16.37 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 08.17.00 # Bagder, Bagder Bagder Bagder .. Mushroom Mushroom 08.17.13 # it's easy to say Bagder in here 08.17.18 # just B and TAB 08.17.19 # lol 08.18.29 # * amiconn wonders whether Pons saw the tiny difference between this nick and a Badger 08.18.48 # lol 08.18.54 # i just noticed it 08.21.38 # Bagder Bagder Bagder BloodySorcerer 08.21.44 # oops lol 08.21.50 # * Paul_The_Nerd sighs. 08.24.07 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.24.31 # hi LinusN :) 08.24.35 # twenty four minutes 08.24.36 # hey 08.24.46 # Hanging build since y'day evening... :( 08.25.30 # how nice 08.26.04 # fixed 08.27.40 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@HSE-Hamilton-ppp3513388.sympatico.ca) 08.33.13 # * amiconn wonders whether he's the only one who thinks there's sometimes a distinct lack of reachable server admins 08.33.46 # * sharpe is always reachable. 08.33.58 # I mean, if the builds would never hang, or there would be some supervising process that auto-fixes hanging builds... 08.34.39 # i don't know why the builds have started hanging 08.36.27 # Builds hung occasionally since the introduction of the distributed build system 08.37.32 # yes, but i thought we fixed those issues 08.37.34 # Iirc it was tracked down to be an ssh problem 08.38.20 # figures 08.38.43 # ssh will sometimes hang without notice and without running into a timeout 08.39.31 # I think it would be possible to have some kind of supervisor on the master server started together with the build 08.39.56 # If the build didn't end after, say, 15 or 20 minutes, then it would cancel the build and restart 08.40.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.40.25 # Basically the same thing you had to do manually now 08.40.43 # Especially since no build should reasonably take 15 minutes these days. 08.41.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: what about unreasonable builds? 08.41.11 # :) 08.41.31 # Unreasonable builds deserve beatings until they get into line. 08.42.04 # amiconn: sounds like a good idea 08.42.40 # i see your point. 08.43.44 # This would be the quick'n'dirty variant, but also quite simple. A more complex variant would monitor the individual build processes, and if one build server doesn't yield a scheduled build after a set time, would drop that build server for this round and reschedule the remaining builds to others 08.44.22 Quit MrStaticVoid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.46.38 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Gnelik@193.110.17.19) 08.47.20 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-82-75.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.47.32 # Can you see which build server connection(s) cause a hang? 08.47.49 # no, i dug around in the logs but i couldn't find it 08.58.08 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.00.32 # What help do you need with working around Sandisk 09.00.33 # ? 09.06.22 # we need you to conjure up a spell to make a day last 48 hours instead of 24 :-) 09.06.42 # Gnelik: seriously, are you a programmer? 09.07.11 # yep 09.07.15 # But .NET 09.07.36 # Programed C++, not very hart to learn ñ 09.07.40 Join Bg3r [0] (n=bager@87.246.10.62) 09.08.36 # the first experiment we need to do is to alter a sandisk firmware ever so slightly, create a new mi4 file and flash it on the player, just to see if our tools work 09.10.54 # Do you now allready what it consists of?\ 09.11.19 # consists of? 09.11.27 # you mean the hardware? 09.11.41 # Firmware 09.11.53 # http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html 09.12.45 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46B96.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.12.57 # My english is not very good I am Ukrainian 09.13.17 # we can decode and encode the sansa mi4 format, but we haven't yet tried to flash our own firmware on the sansa 09.13.46 # Now i understand. 09.14.02 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.83) 09.14.14 # LinusN 09.14.24 # yes? 09.14.44 # http://www.ihuf.net/board/view.php?id=news&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=9 09.14.52 # guys, can somebody send me a zip or explain me how the hell do I download the ipodlinux sources for my reference 09.15.09 # without installing SVN :) 09.15.26 # Jungti1234: yes, that is a list of korean twiki users 09.15.29 # but 09.15.38 # I'm interested mostly in drivers part, serial to be exact 09.15.47 # Don't exist. 09.16.35 # you see it? 09.16.53 # many of them have been deleted, yes 09.16.56 # by me 09.16.57 # .... 09.17.11 # because they haven't changed anything in the wiki 09.17.28 # But, they are active. 09.17.36 # no they are not 09.17.46 # that haven't changed a single page in the wiki 09.17.50 # they 09.18.07 Join kim135797531 [0] (n=dc57b56d@labb.contactor.se) 09.18.08 # hmm 09.18.14 # you don't register in the wiki unless you intend to change something 09.18.24 # it's not a forum or community 09.19.18 Quit mirak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.19.43 Quit kim135797531 (Client Quit) 09.20.17 # there is no reason to register in the wiki unless you want to change anything in it 09.20.18 Join kim135797531 [0] (n=dc57b56d@labb.contactor.se) 09.20.42 # ok :) 09.21.01 # Asked because is just strange. 09.22.50 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.26.19 # LinusN: Can this operation kill player? 09.26.47 # possibly 09.26.58 Quit sharpe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.27.00 # but there seems to be a recovery procedure 09.27.12 Join sharpe [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc2c.cable.mindspring.com) 09.29.09 # Can you take parts of old source(from other players), or it must be rewrited fully? 09.30.55 # Gnelik: a lot of the code is shared and doesn't need to be rewriten 09.31.36 # You can download the source code and take a look 09.32.00 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 09.32.37 # Gnelik: for the first test, you should use the original firmware, and just change a tiny bit 09.33.21 # hi markun 09.33.29 Quit darkless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.38.16 # hi 09.40.48 # who writes Players emulators? 09.42.49 # we all do 09.42.52 # hehe.. 09.42.53 # simulators 09.43.57 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.47.24 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 09.47.55 # finik: Last time I looked, the ipodlinux kernel source was still in CVS at sourceforge (ipodlinux project), not in SVN. 09.50.00 # does MI4 configurator tells you something? 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11.37.54 # when does unicode support in quick screen and recording screen? 11.37.55 # Is it developing? 11.38.16 # I don't think anyone is working on it 11.39.14 # "unicode support" means using the user font instead of the system font? 11.39.36 # yes 11.39.47 # i believe there is some work going on for the recording screen 11.39.54 # hehe 11.39.59 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 11.41.16 # LinusN: will you also apply the other patches used to increase run time on the X5? http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10318 11.42.00 # markun: the lcd_off patch? 11.42.31 # yes (USBOTG off is already in cvs?) 11.42.48 # the otg patch was committed even before the unfreeze 11.43.43 # Wow, album art costs 51 minutes of playback.... 11.44.29 # 51 miniutes? 11.44.54 # See the first post in the iaudiophile.net thread markun linked to. 11.45.41 Quit chendo ("Leaving") 11.45.46 # Is there any chances we'll see support for floating point math in Rockbox? 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(which always returns false) 13.02.05 # Yes, and that's a bug 13.03.46 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.04.03 # * linuxstb waits for amiconn to elaborate 13.05.08 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.08.20 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.09.37 # Jungti1234: i want U10 firmware! 13.12.22 # Hi all. 13.13.26 # Is the memory layout (i.e. where blocks are stolen from the audiobuf) documented anywhere. Looks like my crash is caused by the filename talk clip buffer and the dircache buffers attempting to use the same memory. 13.14.17 # I see that the talk file uses memory at the start of audiobuf, and the .talk clips (thumbnails) use the next bit. 13.14.32 # But where do the dir/tagcaches fit in? 13.14.47 # * linuxstb looks for Slasheri 13.15.00 # Woo! libm for plugins works... I think 13.15.08 # Certainly, if you don't have a voice file loaded (for whatever reason), the thumbnail clip loads into the dircache memory... :( 13.15.25 # Followed by a crash next time the tree is navigated 13.16.01 # Weirdly, it seems ok if the voice file has been loaded, maybe that's just luck where things have shifted up? 13.16.09 # pondlife: dircache should also allocate memory from the audiobuffer 13.16.25 # pondlife: and after allocation, audiobuffer pointer will be increased 13.16.34 # OK, but not p_thumbnail? 13.16.36 Join BockBilbo [0] (n=BockBilb@eu85-84-43-70.clientes.euskaltel.es) 13.16.43 # i am not sure about that 13.16.44 # hello 13.16.46 # ! 13.16.51 # hi 13.16.59 # Nope, p_thumbnail is only set up once 13.17.24 # pondlife: will it be set before dircache allocates memory? 13.17.29 # then that could cause problems 13.17.39 # Yes, I suspect so... just looking now 13.17.40 # Looking in talk.c, it does't seem that audiobuf is incremented... 13.18.02 # Ah, should it shift audiobuf up when it "allocates"? 13.18.07 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 13.18.34 # On hwcodec, no - I think the clips are only stored temporarily, and then discarded. But I thought they were stored permanently on swcodec? 13.18.39 Join A_M [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 13.18.48 # pondlife: yes, the pointer will be updated (so the allocated memory is no longer included in the audiobuffer) 13.18.55 # I'm referring to the thumbnail clips, not the voice file 13.19.13 # linuxstb: For nano, ata_disk_is_active() should either return the real status, like it does on Ondio. If that's not possible, it should rather return always true instead of always false 13.19.25 # Also, the ata_sleep() issue isn't solved 13.19.27 # This bug only occurs if voice file is not in use. 13.19.36 # Maybe this will improve battery runtime on nano 13.20.09 # amiconn: I was wondering why it always returned false... I think there are also issues of settings not being saved on the Nano - probably related to that? 13.22.53 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 13.23.01 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@p54B7DC3B.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.23.24 # What is the size of Sandisk e20 screen in pixels??? 13.23.31 # sorry e200 13.25.17 # 128x160 i believe 13.25.33 # I thought it was 220x176 13.25.46 # I mean 176x220 13.25.49 # hmmm 13.27.21 # haha >> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1960965,00.asp 13.27.29 # "Screen Size: 220 x 176 inches" 13.27.39 # Cool 13.27.42 # it must be a huge screen! :) 13.27.43 # I want it 13.28.03 # 220 x 176 _inches_ LOL 13.28.22 # Yes, but at 1DPI 13.28.32 # :) 13.28.33 # Big pixels 13.28.38 # that's okay, you just need to stand a long way back 13.28.51 # and have big pockets 13.29.31 # There's going to be a huge market for trolleys to carry those around with! 13.29.38 # * linuxstb imagines the size of the headphones to go with that... 13.30.19 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 13.39.05 Join theli_ua [0] (n=aromanob@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 13.44.57 # theli_ua: Are you planning to do anything more to your ZX Spectrum emulator in the near future? 13.45.43 # linuxstb, no just have not much time now :( 13.47.27 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@85-210-45-202.dsl.pipex.com) 13.48.26 Join dalong [0] (n=52cf36d9@labb.contactor.se) 13.48.54 # linuxstb, i remember you wanted to make it run at 100% ;) 13.49.35 # Well, I want someone to do that... 13.50.15 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.50.24 # I think there are other Rockbox things I want to do before that though. 13.51.04 # yeah, of course 13.52.02 # And I'm not sure if it's a good idea to put it in CVS in its current state if no-one is going to be actively working on it. 13.55.29 # hi all 13.55.33 # yesterday i shut down PC when ipod was plug in USB. 13.55.34 # yesterday i shut down PC when ipod was plug in USB. 13.55.38 # today i turn on PC and ipod was not defined as disk 13.55.42 # then i attepmted to turn on ipod but it does not turn on. 13.55.46 # what's the possible problem? 13.56.33 # The battery could be dead. 13.56.56 # how i can check this? 13.57.14 # Just charge it for a while and see if it comes back to life. 13.57.30 # Also try resetting your ipod - hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds. 13.57.49 # it does not respond 13.57.59 # on menu+select 13.58.12 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-88-208.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.58.18 # Then try charging. (and make sure the hold switch is off...) 13.58.28 # and i don't see charging now (ipod in usb) 13.58.37 Quit obo (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.58.37 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.58.37 Quit qwm (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.58.37 Quit kenneth (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.58.37 Quit Quarryman (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.58.37 Quit _FireFly_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.58.37 Quit Hadaka (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.58.40 # hold is off 13.58.47 # OK, I've got a fix for my .talk file crash, but it might be restrictive... 13.58.49 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.58.49 NJoin _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46B96.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.58.56 # 1) The buffer is now allocated permanently from the start of the audio buffer, but only when first required (so .talk and voice file buffers are independent). 13.59.06 # 2) It's now got a fixed max size of 32K (My own .talk clip selection goes up to 16K, so I thought this would be enough). 13.59.07 # may be problem with my usb 13.59.17 # Are you using a hub? 13.59.32 # usb hub? 13.59.43 # yes 14.00.41 # yes, universal host controller VIA USB 14.00.58 NJoin obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.01.07 # Has your ipod charged OK in the past from the same USB socket? 14.01.37 Quit darkless (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.01.44 # certainly 14.02.13 # dan_a: I've just tried applying your adjustable CPU frequency patch and I get a "malformed patch at line 103" error. 14.02.16 # yesterday before shut down, i copy some files from ipod 14.02.29 # dalong: Have you tried just leaving it plugged in for a while? 14.03.01 Quit theli_ua (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit TeaSea (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit Seed (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit lostnihilist (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit Rob2222 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit Pons (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit orthogonal (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit merbanan (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit gromit` (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit scorche (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.01 Quit kidd3ckz (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.03.10 # dan_a: Also, any ill effects so far running it at 90MHz? 14.03.37 # it plugged in about 1 hour now 14.04.20 Join jakub- [0] (i=jakub@31337.pl) 14.04.34 # linuxstb: None that I've noticed (no unexplained crashes and the like) 14.04.40 # hello, im looking for xobox for windows 14.04.43 # is it safe to shut down or turn on PC when ipod in USB? 14.04.52 # anyon know real name of this game? 14.05.04 # dan_a: Have you noticed your ipod getting warmer than usual? 14.05.12 Quit damaki (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.05.13 NJoin scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 14.05.14 NJoin Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 14.05.14 NJoin TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.05.15 NJoin merbanan [0] (i=banan@farmer.campus.luth.se) 14.05.16 NJoin kidd3ckz [0] (n=email@c-71-229-197-101.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 14.05.21 NJoin lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-67-175-35-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.05.29 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@82.234.244.69) 14.05.30 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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(i though of input rework...) 14.21.27 # theli_ua: I haven't looked at it since you originally posted the patch, so can't remember... But from your comments, it seems that there is still a lot of work to do before it's usable - input rework and optimisations to get it at least closer to realtime. 14.21.46 Quit Jungti1234 () 14.22.30 # pondlife: the archos platforms flush the audio buffer when playing voice, so the .talk problem is not an issue on those platforms 14.22.49 Part dalong 14.23.13 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3560751.sympatico.ca) 14.23.37 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp159-48.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.23.50 # LinusN: No, the problem is not a clash between audio and .talk clip. It is that p_thumbnail is set up in talk.c to be at the start of audiobuf, but then something (presumably dircache) allocates memory and so talk.c overwrites that allocated memory 14.24.05 # ouch 14.24.19 Quit jakub- ("leaving") 14.24.21 # So it either needs to be informed if audiobuf moves (urrgh)... 14.24.29 # or not make that assumption 14.24.31 # or init the talk last 14.25.05 # on the swcodec platforms, having a separate talk buffer is probably a good idea anyway 14.25.07 # talk_init is needed early on for some reason. But note that .talk != talk, 14.25.35 # They are currently allocated together. If no voice file is in use, then the problem occurs 14.26.00 # aha, so otherwise the talk files are loaded into the voice buffer? 14.26.09 # My guess is that most users of .talk clips will use voice files (e.g. blind people), so this hasn't been spotted 14.26.29 # No, the .talk files are always temporary - in the audio buffer 14.27.22 # linuxstb: I haven't noticed it getting warmer than usual, but then I'm not stressing it yet because I can't listen to much music on it 14.28.09 # It depends on the timing of the various allocations, but the basic problem seems to be p_thumbnail assumes that audiobuf doesn't move. 14.28.09 # By allocating a little buffer (and moving audiobuf up) when we first need it, this problem is avoided. 14.28.09 # i.e. no assumption is made 14.28.33 # p_thumbnail remains at null until it actually allocates, at which point audiobuf has been increased, so no contention for memory 14.28.49 # (unless this assumption is elsewhere in rockbox of course) 14.29.20 # Only downside is that .talk clips now have a max size. 14.30.00 # I could allocate the buffer dynamically maybe, but it would not be KISS compliant 14.32.07 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.36.01 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-74-65-243-27.nyc.res.rr.com) 14.36.27 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.37.25 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.37.37 # I wanted to compare different iriver firmwares to see if I can spot any patterns and found this nice site: http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/iriverupdate/ 14.37.55 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@203.187.240.141) 14.38.17 # both E10 and U10 hex files contain the string "mmmmmm" many times 14.40.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.42.57 Join thoughts [0] (n=thoughts@62.101.50.98) 14.43.13 Quit lightyear (Connection timed out) 14.47.35 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081A22C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.48.02 Quit fiftyfour123 (Client Quit) 14.48.58 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-74-65-243-27.nyc.res.rr.com) 14.49.09 Quit fiftyfour123 (Client Quit) 14.50.52 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-74-65-243-27.nyc.res.rr.com) 14.53.23 # ... 14.53.30 # hey again 14.54.14 Quit fiftyfour123 (Client Quit) 14.55.17 # is it true that the albumart plugin needs to have an image on the directory instead of getting the image from the mp3 tag itself? 14.55.42 # Yes. 14.56.59 # :( 14.57.00 # But there are applications which will go through all your music and extract the images for you. 14.57.00 # are them? 14.57.00 # (just don't ask me what they are called...) 14.57.00 # i'll google them 14.57.00 DBUG Enqueued KICK BockBilbo 14.57.00 # though, I wonder if it would be possible to get the image from the tag in rockbox 14.57.04 # You may also need another application to resize them to the size your WPS expects them to be (75x75 or 100x100 are common) and convert to .bmp format. 14.57.47 # mmm interesting 14.57.57 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-78-148.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.57.58 # It's possible, but it's not the preferred approach. Images in tags are normally large JPEG files, so Rockbox would need to decode and resize them. It's much more efficient to do this once on the PC, rather than every time you play the track in Rockbox. 14.59.32 # and what if rockbox just gets the image of the first file of an album and keeps it in memory if the next played song is from the same album? 14.59.45 # I think the album art patch does that. 15.00.12 # i.e. it uses one image for the whole folder, and doesn't keep reading the same image again. 15.00.19 # what programming language do you guys use? C? 15.00.26 # Yes. 15.01.13 # i wish i could program in c... it's something i need to learn :( Im a java and web programmer 15.04.33 # linuxstb, i guess that having to decode and resize an image from a mp3 tag would use too much resources from the player, right? 15.07.07 # damn.. x5 patches were committed after i left for work 15.07.13 # guess i'll have to wait until 11 :) 15.08.26 # poor you 15.08.27 # BockBilbo: "too much" is subjective. It certainly uses more than reading an uncompressed, pre-scaled .bmp file from the disk. 15.08.50 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.08.58 # i'll _probably_ live 15.09.24 # But for example, Apple's firmware doesn't read the album art from the tags - itunes stores copies of it on the ipod in an album art database. 15.09.44 # that's true 15.10.04 # are you guys planning on doing such thing? 15.10.44 # No - a database seems overkill. Just storing the files on disk is much easier - and means you don't need any specialised software to do it. 15.10.51 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.16.11 # that's true :) 15.16.31 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 15.16.31 # * BockBilbo goes to have lunch, he'll be back in 15 minutes 15.17.21 # lol.. 7 am here 15.18.20 # 3pm 15.18.41 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@125.188.3.80) 15.19.26 # i'm pretty much in zombie mode right now.. stayed up until like 12:30... 15.19.39 # ^ 15.19.40 # they should put a cot in the office :) 15.21.24 # if any devs have any time spare I'd appreciate any feedback on some patches... 15.22.20 # what'd you do obo? (not a dev.. just nosey) 15.23.24 # FS 4899, 5111 and 5166 (aka headphone unplug, piezo driver and audioscrobbler) 15.24.17 # looks like nothing for me :) 15.24.33 # i don't own an ipod 15.24.44 # hey 15.24.44 # inits the M5636 USBOTG chip on the X5 to reduce the battery consumption. 15.24.48 # what is 'inits'? 15.24.58 # puts it to sleep 15.25.00 # initialize i guess 15.25.03 # ah :) 15.25.47 Quit `axion ("leaving") 15.32.31 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.33.01 Part steveb ("##uk - The brits still rule the world") 15.35.34 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-73-194-154.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 15.36.24 # How do you make the x5_fw.bin after building the bootloader? I tried renaming bootloader.bin but that won't flash. I can't seem to find much about this 15.39.16 # Hello? Anyone? 15.40.20 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54877904.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.40.38 # jhMikeS: you use the mkboot tool 15.41.13 # Great news.... Samsung doubles the capacity of NAND flash and shrinks the size of the chips by 25%! 15.41.18 # http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9001866&source=rss_news10 15.41.37 # I tried that but i don't think I'm doing it right or something. Hold on... 15.42.24 # LinusN: Looking at mkboot.c in CVS, it doesn't seem to have any X5 specific code (only h1x0/h3x0)... 15.42.36 # hmmm 15.43.19 # ah, silly me 15.43.49 # x5 doesn't dual boot yet in cvs 15.44.20 # linuxstb: I looked there too. Are the tools to make it not even included? 15.44.24 # just scramble the bootloader.bin file 15.45.26 # scramble -iaudiox5 bootloader.bin x5_fw.bin 15.46.45 # scramble does what exactly? I suppose I could look myself but that would take time. :) 15.47.15 # it adds the iaudio header to the executable 15.47.29 # so the iaudio boot recognizes it 15.47.40 # LinusN: Ahh...had a feeling 15.47.54 # SID codec support now? 15.48.00 # yes 15.48.20 # SID? Isn't there a SID player for rockbox? Maybe I'm just nuts. 15.48.33 # there is a patch IIRC 15.48.40 # it's in cvs now 15.49.00 # Does it sound like the real thing at all? 15.49.09 # oh yes 15.49.21 # it's pretty good for being that small 15.49.30 # only nitpickers find differences 15.49.43 # it can only handle simple tunes, no sampling and stuff 15.49.49 # It plays .SID files I take it? 15.49.52 # yes 15.50.05 # kvakk 15.50.20 # It's something you have to add to SOURCES, eh? 15.51.54 # it's already included in rockbox 15.52.18 # no need to do anything 15.52.40 # what is 'fix the remote support for the colour picker'? remote support colour picker?? 15.53.39 # * BockBilbo is back 15.54.00 # Jungti1234: you can set the colors with the remote control 15.54.47 # LinusN: I think that worked. Thanks. 15.54.49 # but 15.55.02 # remote control haven't color. 15.55.05 # only one color.. 15.55.23 # Linus: any plans on a new H300 bootloader? 15.55.37 # Jungti1234: true, but now you can change the color settings using the remote control 15.55.41 # XavierGr: yes 15.55.45 # nice :D 15.55.59 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 15.56.04 # working on charging and rtc alarm 15.56.08 # are you aware of the USB bootloader mode error on some H300s? 15.56.14 # oh, yes i am 15.56.21 # I don't understand.. I will check now 15.56.29 # nice news then ;p 15.56.30 # LinusN: rtc alarm? 15.56.51 # LinusN: To be able to wake on schedule? 15.56.56 # yes 15.57.14 # great news indeed! :) 15.57.44 # WOW 15.57.47 # Great!! 15.58.32 # * linuxstb recalls that the ipods have a very similar rtc (and Linus now owns an ipod...) 16.02.12 # * LinusN looks away and whistles 16.02.29 Join bluebrother [0] (n=810dba04@labb.contactor.se) 16.02.38 # * linuxstb breaks into LinusN's house and steals all his DAPs apart from the ipod 16.03.52 # anyone knows if julius' themes (like jBlackGlass or Green5g) work on other build than his experimental build? 16.04.22 # linuxstb: hehehe.. 16.04.22 # * Genre9mp3 curses linuxstb for that! 16.05.09 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 16.05.12 # * linuxstb heads for ebay with his new belongings 16.05.43 # haha.. 16.05.58 # * LinusN has 14 players :-) 16.06.14 # "has" ? 16.06.15 # you win a prize 16.06.21 # linuxstb: :-) 16.06.25 # s/has/had/ :) 16.06.42 # * Genre9mp3 buys the H300 from ebay ang give it back to LinusN :P 16.06.47 # LinusN: Does that include broken one(s)? 16.07.10 # amiconn: yes, it includes a broken Archos Player (you know which) :-) 16.07.15 # hmpf 16.07.21 # I didn't break it 16.07.24 # i know 16.08.32 # LinusN: so, you stand in front of your player cabinet every morning and don't know which one to take? 16.08.57 # that's a good question. 16.09.07 # Linus: Which one is your favorite DAP? 16.09.13 # haha, i only use one for my daily use 16.09.22 # guess which? 16.09.27 # H100 or H300? 16.09.29 # the archos? 16.09.37 # no the archos is for amiconn 16.09.53 # or...? 16.09.56 # my trusty old H140 16.09.59 # nice :D 16.09.59 # haha.. 16.10.37 Quit bondolo (Excess Flood) 16.11.04 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 16.11.41 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 16.15.22 # * amiconn cycles through most of his devices for daily use, but prefers the archoses 16.15.44 # Is that because you use voice a lot? 16.16.00 # no, he likes the exercise :-) 16.16.10 # hehe... 16.16.45 # * linuxstb still prefers his h140 to the ipods for music, but likes games on the 5g's screen... 16.16.49 # amiconn: Which one of the archoses you prefer most? 16.17.04 Quit lightyear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.17.08 Part LinusN 16.17.13 Quit thoughts ("Byebye!") 16.17.54 Quit A_M ("CGI:IRC") 16.19.36 # linuxstb, the programs you told me before that can extract images from mp3 tags are for win or linux? 16.23.03 # I've just read people talking about windows applications. But I'm sure it's possible in Linux (or running those windows apps in Wine). 16.23.33 # I think there's a long thread in the H300 Rockbox forum on misticriver.net talking about album art. You may get some pointers there (if no-one here can help...) 16.23.50 # thanks linuxstb 16.24.29 # Genre9mp3: No special one, it depends on the situation. Recorder, player or Ondio FM 16.27.06 Join ShyK [0] (i=Shy@80.74.126.235) 16.34.35 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE06D.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.39.38 # hmmm.. text_viewer completely freezes on some files :( 16.40.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.41.55 Join yip [0] (n=yip@adsl-guttman.tau.ac.il) 16.43.47 # do we need different bidirectional setting for the remote? 16.44.06 # I just discovered that bidir setting will not work on the remote 16.44.42 # I suppose that I introduced when I split the scroll settings. 16.46.30 Join nls [0] (n=nls@h197n3fls33o290.telia.com) 16.47.03 # bluebrother, around? 16.47.10 # nls: yes. 16.47.52 # I was looking at the recording section in the main menu chapter and was thinking of breaking it out to its own file 16.47.53 # Im leaving, bye! 16.47.56 Quit BockBilbo ("Ex-Chat") 16.48.18 # why not ... I think some chapters could be split up even more. 16.48.43 # E.g. I thought it may be good to split the installation from the "Getting started" section. 16.49.07 # ok I will do it (the recording stuff) when I check in some other changes... 16.51.00 # I think we should consider breaking up the manual more based on functions, not on menus. 16.51.20 # an example ? 16.51.37 # and introduce some section that shortly introduces the menu, referring to the functional descriptions. 16.52.09 # like the recording ... currently it's in the "main menu", but recording isn't part of the menu -- it's just reachable through the main menu. 16.52.47 # But if it's in its own file it will be easy to move :) 16.52.51 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 16.53.44 # or take the bookmarking. It's in "configuring rockbox". Seems a bit strange to me 16.54.47 # yes, some source files are still kinda crowded. 16.55.51 # for bookmarking, I guess we also need a better description. Currently we mostly describe the settings itself but barely how to use it. 16.57.18 # heh yeah there are so many things that can be improved 16.57.42 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.58.09 # I hope we can get some boost on this when summer is over ... seems a lot being on holidays now. 16.58.27 Join adiamas [0] (n=adiamas@195pool.staff.iwon.com) 16.59.13 # yeah and new features are added all the time but not documented anywhere... like playlist catalogue, I have no idea what that does... 16.59.14 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@159.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 16.59.38 # Also, I'll be pretty busy with RL the next weeks ... now as generating html works. 17.00.16 # it maintains some kind of most used playlists, but that's mostly all I know. 17.00.40 # the feature freeze was nice by means of no new features waiting to be added to the manual ;-) 17.01.00 # indeed 17.01.01 Quit theli_ua ("Leaving") 17.01.05 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54874CC3.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.01.41 Nick hcl is now known as HCl (i=hcl@titania.student.utwente.nl) 17.01.51 # ok gtg back tomorrow maybe... 17.01.54 Quit nls (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 17.02.00 # cu 17.02.18 # gtg too. 17.02.22 Part bluebrother 17.19.49 DEBUG EOF from server (No route to host) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 545) 17.19.49 *** Cleanup 17.19.49 *** Cleanup 17.19.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.19.49 *** Exit 17.19.50 *** Started Dancer V4.16 17.19.50 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.19.50 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.19.50 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.19.50 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.19.50 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.19.50 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.19.50 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.19.50 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.19.50 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 17.19.50 *** Cleanup 17.19.50 *** Cleanup 17.19.50 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 17.19.50 *** Exit 17.23.29 *** Started Dancer V4.16 17.23.29 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.23.29 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.23.29 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.23.29 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.23.29 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.23.29 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.23.29 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.23.29 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.23.29 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 17.23.29 *** Cleanup 17.23.29 *** Cleanup 17.23.29 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 17.23.29 *** Exit 17.27.04 *** Started Dancer V4.16 17.27.04 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.27.04 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.27.04 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.27.04 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.27.04 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.27.04 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.27.04 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.27.04 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.27.04 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 17.27.04 *** Cleanup 17.27.04 *** Cleanup 17.27.04 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 17.27.04 *** Exit 17.30.48 *** Started Dancer V4.16 17.30.48 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.30.48 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.30.48 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.30.48 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.30.48 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.30.48 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.30.48 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.30.48 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.30.48 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 17.30.48 *** Cleanup 17.30.48 *** Cleanup 17.30.48 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 17.30.48 *** Exit 17.34.35 *** Started Dancer V4.16 17.34.35 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.34.35 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.34.35 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.34.35 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.34.35 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.34.35 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.34.35 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.34.35 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.34.35 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 17.34.35 *** Cleanup 17.34.35 *** Cleanup 17.34.35 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 17.34.35 *** Exit 17.38.24 *** Started Dancer V4.16 17.38.24 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.38.24 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.38.24 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.38.24 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.38.24 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.38.24 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.38.24 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.38.24 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.38.24 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 17.38.24 *** Cleanup 17.38.24 *** Cleanup 17.38.24 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 17.38.24 *** Exit 17.42.09 *** Started Dancer V4.16 17.42.09 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.42.09 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.42.09 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.42.09 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.42.09 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.42.09 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.42.09 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.42.09 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.42.09 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 17.42.09 *** Cleanup 17.42.09 *** Cleanup 17.42.09 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 17.42.09 *** Exit 17.45.54 *** Started Dancer V4.16 17.45.54 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.45.54 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.45.54 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99) 17.45.54 DEBUG gethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Success) (snapshot: 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A recording screen is coming up by itself and I can't do anything except shut it off. 17.55.12 # WTF? 17.59.33 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp140-36.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.00.07 # Why is "Show recording screen on startup" enabled by default? 18.00.33 # jhMikeS: for... people... who want to record... without going through the menus...? 18.01.14 # Anyone fancy looking at patch #5690? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5690 . Fixes a crash where .talk clips are loaded over the top of the dircache data. 18.01.54 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.02.38 # Hello everybody :) 18.02.44 # I have one more question 18.02.47 # sharpe: I don't want to record by default! It shouldn't just start recording on its own the minute you start it esp. for first timers. It looks like malfunctioning. 18.02.49 # I bought that remote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170004666787 18.03.04 # jhMikeS: tis probably is malfunctioning then. 18.03.08 # the problem is it's not working with Rockbox, while it is working with the original firmware 18.03.11 # any ideas why 18.03.17 # I didn't expect it ot be that way 18.03.18 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 18.03.21 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-9-6.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.04.06 # CYPER^: rockbox doesn't support any ipod periprials. 18.04.23 # jhMikeS: try resetting settings and then restarting. Is it default now? if not it is just the changeover from no recording to recording mucking around with the settings a bit 18.04.26 # :( :( :( 18.04.28 # sharpe: Hope they change that default. 18.04.35 # Mmmm: Will do. 18.04.43 # Is there any VS 2005 plugin to work with C 18.04.50 # sharpe, any future plans for supporting them? 18.04.52 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.05.02 # VS 2005 works with C out of the box 18.05.11 # CYPER^: not until we understand the protocol used by them, not really. 18.05.17 # Have a nice weekend, guys! 18.05.18 # bye 18.05.23 Quit Jungti1234 () 18.05.28 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496625F.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.05.28 # i'm sure eventually, but not too soon it would seem. 18.05.32 # sharpe thanks :) 18.05.38 # welcome. 18.05.54 # also 2 more questions :) 18.06.07 # 1 - why when listeging to mp3 files they tend to skip 18.06.23 # like the proc can't handle everything 18.06.40 # are you using the EQ, and/or have peakmeters in your wps? 18.06.53 # or, playing games while listening to music. 18.07.01 # hm, not EQ, but the peakmeters could be the problems 18.07.11 # but here is a real situation 18.07.12 # yes, you're probably better off removing them. 18.07.26 # iPod Video, Skin Rockamp_Classic (like wnimap) 18.07.28 # Yeah it cleared up. Wierd. 18.07.29 # winamp 18.07.34 # and it skips 18.07.47 # no EQ or peakmeters 18.08.22 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-100-62.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.08.34 Quit slimx ("Leaving") 18.08.37 # hmm... 18.08.54 Join A_M [0] (n=51e2cbe3@labb.contactor.se) 18.08.57 # I'll try again today, after it charges 18.09.14 # 2nd question: why scrolling is so slow, not like with the original firmware 18.09.24 # jhMikeS: that's because a non existent setting came into existence without anything telling it what to do and it just decided to be on! :D 18.09.32 # If I have 3000 titles on one screen I can expect 10 minutes scrolling 18.09.49 # CYPER^: there is a scroll acceleration patch on the tracker... 18.10.14 # Mmmm: Mmmm Hmmm. Just like the universe! 18.10.22 # :D 18.10.23 # sharpe, may I have a link please :) 18.10.41 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 18.11.19 # CYPER^: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 18.12.50 # thank you very much :) 18.13.15 # welcome 18.13.33 # ouh one more q :D 18.13.53 # I hope the CVS tree doesn't get way ahead of now that the feature freeze has thawed. I'm rewriting the whole x5 display and it's takin' some time but I got some good framerate increases. 18.13.58 # how can I completely reinstall rockbox, cause I've made some changes, some of them good, some not 18.14.00 # Already had file conflicts. 18.14.41 # CYPER^: you mean, bootloader and everything, or just the firmware? 18.15.15 Join apo` [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-070-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.15.46 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 18.15.59 # sharpe, just the firmware and settings :) 18.16.10 # delete themes I put later 18.16.14 # fonts 18.16.23 # refresh it :D 18.16.33 # like you reinstall Windows :) 18.16.42 Quit apo` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.16.47 # I guess I can just delete the .rockbox folder 18.16.51 # and put it again? 18.16.52 # right? 18.16.52 # well if you want to reset the settings, just turn hold on before rockbox boots; and if you want to remove everything and not have things left over from the last rockbox build, just delete rockbox.ipod and /.rockbox/ 18.17.12 # yeah - I was right :) 18.17.15 # thank you again :) 18.17.15 # then you could extract a new build 18.17.20 Join apo` [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-070-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.17.22 # you're welcome. 18.17.28 # why is there a new build every day 18.17.30 Quit apo` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.17.33 # what's the point 18.17.33 Join apo` [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-070-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.17.38 Quit apo` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.18.01 # because they're being constantly improved and such. 18.18.25 # hence the multiple cvs commits every day. 18.19.59 # I'm coding something where I need to no tag info for a specific file that I know is in the tagcache. Would it be possible to, given this file, retrieve the tag info from the tagcache? And would it be faster or slower than reading it from the actual file? 18.20.23 # *no = know :S 18.21.24 Join BloodySorcerer [0] (n=BS@cpe-72-230-178-79.rochester.res.rr.com) 18.21.46 # A_M: is it a plugin? 18.22.01 # nope 18.22.04 # ooh. 18.22.26 # whee, my ISP is in its death throes from the looks of things! 18.22.34 Join apo` [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-070-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.22.35 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.22.35 # Where's that sid player I've heard about? It's supposed to be included now. 18.22.40 # 33% loss on pings to anywhere 18.22.49 # nothing stably using the inet except IRC 18.22.50 # whee! 18.23.27 # sharpe: "ooh." as in you would've known if it were a plugin we were talking about? if so I'm still interested ;) 18.24.02 # i was just thinking, i don't recall there being any function in the plugin api for dealing with the tagcache. 18.24.15 # ah, ok 18.25.50 # i'm just giving you my best guess, but you may be able to find it using tagcache_search()... 18.25.55 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 18.26.27 # amiconn: Would you be able to test my latest change to scramble.c on your mini? It should allow you to create a working firmware partition containing the Rockbox bootloader without the need for ipod_fw and the dummy image. 18.26.58 # which, i don't see why you couldn't use that function. 18.27.10 # yeah, I was thinking something along those lines... there's a "filename" tag that is searchable - anyone know if it includes full path or if it's just the file name? 18.27.17 # It _should_ also allow you to just write rockbox.bin to the firmware partition directly (without the bootloader). But I tried it on my ipod Color, and Rockbox crashes after displaying the logo... 18.27.19 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.27.30 # hmm... that won't be something that nano or 5g users would want, my guess... USB is slower in emergency disk mode thanin the real firmware on 5g and nano. 18.27.42 # (I noticed that it's not expected to work on 5g/nano any way) 18.28.11 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3560751.sympatico.ca) 18.29.13 # It _should_ work on the Nano. There's just one field in the header I'm not sure of, and took the value in my original firmware partition for my Photo. 18.29.25 # ah 18.29.37 # But as a 5g user, I never use the Apple firmware. 18.29.47 Join dionoea_work [0] (n=3e179bf9@poy.chewa.net) 18.29.53 # hello 18.30.02 # linuxstb: ? 18.30.06 # A_M: seems to be the full path. 18.30.43 # oh goody :) 18.30.43 # dionoea_work: I just wanted to moan about rockpaint's use of a custom menu and custom colour-picker instead of using the standard Rockbox ones :) 18.31.45 # linuxstb: the color picker can use the core one if i add HSV to it ... but it didn't look like this was a feature needed by the core color picker 18.31.50 # linuxstb: I use the apple firmware only when I'm doing a large music transfer, because 5-8 megs per second is a lot better than 1. 18.32.09 # and for the menus ... well i just fixed the old rockpaint menu code before noticing that there were corefunctions 18.32.48 # btw, do core menus take the whole screen ? or can i have menus in "windows" like current rockpaint ? 18.33.38 Quit sharpe ("Leaving") 18.33.39 # At the moment, the core menus take the whole screen. But I'm sure that will change in the future - probably when viewports are introduced in the lcd drivers. 18.34.18 # e.g. it would be nice if the context menus (at least) were "pop-up" menus that didn't occupy the full screen (on the larger LCDs of course). 18.34.21 # i'll wait for the viewports thing then :) 18.34.23 Quit Quarryman (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.23 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 18.34.23 Quit Hadaka (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.24 Quit XavierGr (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.24 Quit ShyK (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.24 Quit yip (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.24 Quit bondolo (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.24 Quit Poka64 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.24 Quit Ave (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.24 Quit kidd3ckz (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.24 Quit Seed (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit gromit` (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit lostnihilist (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit dionoea_work (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit obo (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit spiorf (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit pondlife (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit linuxstb (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit Presence (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit gtkspert (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit Galois (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit Bagder (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit ScoTTie (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit kerb (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit Mikachu (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit ze (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit crwl (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit cmug (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit josh_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.26 Quit Nilisco (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18.34.29 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 18.34.29 NJoin Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 18.34.38 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@130.234.204.55) 18.34.39 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 18.35.31 NJoin Ave [0] (i=ave@GKDXXXII.dsl.saunalahti.fi) 18.35.42 # * dionoea_work hates CGI:IRC 18.35.45 NJoin linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.35.57 Join shamgar [0] (n=micahc@207.101.108.90) 18.37.36 DEBUG EOF from server (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 545) 18.37.36 *** Cleanup 18.37.36 *** Cleanup 18.37.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.37.36 *** Exit 18.37.36 *** Started Dancer V4.16 18.37.36 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.37.36 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.37.36 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.37.36 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.37.36 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.37.36 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.37.36 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.37.36 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.37.36 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 18.37.36 *** Cleanup 18.37.36 *** Cleanup 18.37.36 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 18.37.36 *** Exit 18.38.07 *** Started Dancer V4.16 18.38.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.07 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 18.38.07 *** Cleanup 18.38.07 *** Cleanup 18.38.07 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 18.38.07 *** Exit 18.38.35 *** Started Dancer V4.16 18.38.35 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.35 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.35 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.35 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.35 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.35 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.35 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.35 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.38.35 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 18.38.35 *** Cleanup 18.38.35 *** Cleanup 18.38.35 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 18.38.35 *** Exit 18.39.05 *** Started Dancer V4.16 18.39.05 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.39.05 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.39.05 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.39.05 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 18.39.05 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: 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18.43.08 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACAE78D1.ipt.aol.com) 18.43.10 Join t0mas [0] (n=tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 18.43.11 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@80.202.109.52) 18.43.11 Join lostlogic [0] (n=lostlogi@temporal.lostlogicx.com) 18.43.21 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 18.43.29 # linuxstb: so, should i add the hsv stuff to the core color picker and use that one in rockpaint ? 18.44.03 Join ze_ [0] (i=ze@70.40.149.90) 18.44.24 Join josh_ [0] (i=josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 18.44.25 Join cmug [0] (n=wotoo@dsl-aur-feccdd00-93.dhcp.inet.fi) 18.44.26 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 18.44.35 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 18.45.09 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-217-2-203.dyn.iinet.net.au) 18.45.10 # * freqmod notes linuxstb that the speex patch is updated to apply against current cvs 18.45.15 Join BloodySorcerer [0] (n=BS@cpe-72-230-178-79.rochester.res.rr.com) 18.46.00 # dionoea: Personally I think you should (as well as use the core menus) - to maintain consistency in the UI. Even if they are not as pretty currently as the Rockpaint ones. I don't know what others think though... 18.46.35 # freqmod: Does it work with gcc 4 on ipods yet? 18.46.36 Quit apo` ("KVIrc 3.2.3 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 18.47.21 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 18.47.31 # yes but stereo is a little flaky, haven't got a way around the faulty sqrt function, and still does not work above 16kHz, which i think is a slow sample rate 18.47.34 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 18.48.00 Join crashd [0] (i=nobody@badger.ing.me.uk) 18.48.45 # tested it on a 4g iPod of a friend of mine, it works there to. 18.48.49 # *too 18.53.00 Join luckz [0] (i=luckz@luckz.de) 18.53.03 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@kek-kone.kekkola.jyu.fi) 18.53.53 Join mbr [0] (n=mb@stz-softwaretechnik.de) 18.54.00 Ctcp Version from freenode-connect!freenode@freenode/bot/connect 18.54.12 Join deltron [0] (i=ryan@24-207-133-89.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 18.54.24 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 18.54.40 Join liyang [0] (n=lh259@sneezy.cs.nott.ac.uk) 18.54.42 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 18.55.54 # Are there any devs around that would be willing to check out a small patch to add support for generating remote keypresses in the sim? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4905 18.57.08 Quit dpro ("Leaving") 18.58.09 Join Gnelik [0] (n=gnelik@193.110.17.19) 18.58.52 Join Lynx- [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 18.59.30 Quit Lynx_ (Connection timed out) 18.59.30 Nick Lynx- is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 19.01.43 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.01.58 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 19.02.22 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 19.03.02 Join apo` [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-088-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.04.04 Quit apo` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.04.23 Join Quarryman [0] (n=quarry@sapiens.pvv.ntnu.no) 19.04.35 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host118-160.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 19.05.59 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-73-194-154.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 19.08.25 Quit Lynx (Connection timed out) 19.12.23 Join apo` [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-088-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.16.54 Join godzirra [0] (n=na@24.125.55.42) 19.16.55 # howdy folks. 19.17.21 # I have a few questions... I'm using an H120... I just upgraded my rockbox again today, but for some reason my wps file cuts off parts of the name of an id3 tag... 19.17.51 Quit thoughts (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.18.13 # missing patch 19.18.20 # i had that problem, changed builds 19.18.25 # what do you mean? 19.18.28 # and how do I fix it? :) 19.18.37 # I just upgraded to the most recent build in an effort to fix it 19.18.41 # because my build was a few months old. 19.18.44 # mmm 19.18.53 # maybe they removed it for the H120 19.19.04 # 3:20am and i gotta go to sleep, later 19.19.11 # can you give me a direction to look then? 19.19.14 # thats all pretty cryptic. 19.19.25 # uh 19.19.39 # i'm not sure if there's any custom builds for the H120 so i can't help you there 19.19.46 # but check the misticriver.net forums 19.19.49 # might find something there 19.19.51 # for what? 19.20.06 # your problem 19.21.06 # "missing text" or "missing part of title" doesnt seem to work well... 19.21.42 Quit pabs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.23.50 # yay FM radio and recording on X5... 19.24.48 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 19.25.34 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-85-96.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.26.08 # anyone know? 19.27.49 Part pixelma 19.28.04 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 19.28.45 Quit dionoea_work ("tada!") 19.28.51 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.31.01 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-2-183.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.31.17 Join grimman [0] (i=sco@h208n1fls35o916.telia.com) 19.38.26 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.44.10 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.44.53 Join dropandho [0] (n=a@gateway.symphony.org) 19.45.55 # hey all! 19.45.59 # silly question here 19.46.12 # i know that there have been a handful of changes made to the tagcahe 19.46.15 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.46.42 # is it me- or are none of these new features documented on the wiki or elsewhere? 19.48.18 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.48.18 # they are still under developement, i think it will be documented once it isn't changing often anymore 19.48.54 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 19.49.03 Join UrbanNightmare [0] (n=d15b400d@labb.contactor.se) 19.49.19 Quit Gnelik (Remote closed the connection) 19.49.20 Part UrbanNightmare 19.50.49 # Paul- thanks...that makes sense 19.51.06 # I'm pretty excited about these changes...looks like some good progress! 19.52.35 Join Harry [0] (n=getlaid@CPE00045a78ee3c-CM000f9f7d5f54.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 19.52.37 # hello 19.52.42 # wats new 19.55.05 Quit Harry (Client Quit) 19.55.21 Join bernych [0] (n=50533e9c@labb.contactor.se) 19.56.48 # Hi, folks, I see that now the rockbox CVS for the iaudio x5 allow radio recording... 19.56.48 Join dumbkid [0] (n=Alex@hnvr-d9b8eaaa.pool.mediaWays.net) 19.56.58 # ...how do we do? 19.57.19 # hey all 19.57.42 # can i somehow get the current cvs repository in 1 archive file? 19.58.51 # dumbkid: look on the CVS builds page 19.58.55 # sure: http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 19.58.56 # you can download the source on the daily- or the cvs builds page 19.59.01 # not the binary 19.59.12 Quit dumbkid (Client Quit) 19.59.31 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 20.00.17 # bernych: on h300 it works if you turn on the radio and then go to the recording screen and select line in as source. maybe it's the same on x5. 20.01.27 # PaulJam: I tryied it but as soon as I enter in the recording screen the radio stops 20.03.08 Join dumbkid_ [0] (n=Alex@hnvr-d9b8eabd.pool.mediaWays.net) 20.03.30 Part dumbkid_ 20.08.07 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 20.11.49 Quit dropandho () 20.11.51 # Now it works, I don't know why, but my recording.c was still at the previous version even after the cvs update! Fixed 20.12.28 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 20.13.29 Join ShyK [0] (i=Shy@80.74.126.235) 20.14.10 Part bernych 20.21.57 # hmmm... 20.22.08 # just updated rockbox on my x5 20.22.22 # when i turn it on, it immediately jumps into the recording screen 20.22.54 # there a new setting to get it to boot into playback? or is that a bug? 20.22.57 # there is an option for it 20.23.18 # I assume that your settings were confused 20.23.23 # and this was set to on 20.23.34 # go to recording screen and change the option 20.23.39 # yep 20.23.46 # that was it 20.23.47 # thanks 20.24.05 # that kicks ass that they got that working 20.24.41 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 20.25.26 # goffa_: You *may* want to reload your settings from a file, or reset them. If your settings were suddenly different after installing a new build of Rockbox, it often means a change to the settings block with someone forgetting to increase the version number. 20.25.41 Join Moos [0] (n=527bc275@labb.contactor.se) 20.26.14 Quit Moos (Client Quit) 20.26.15 Join DrMoos [0] (n=527bc275@labb.contactor.se) 20.26.40 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (n=527bc275@labb.contactor.se) 20.27.05 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 20.27.09 # Hello ! 20.28.25 Part Paul_The_Nerd 20.28.51 # Yes, enabling recording for a new target will mean all the settings protected by #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING will suddenly come into use.... 20.29.01 # yeah 20.29.10 # Well i changed that setting.. works fine now 20.29.14 # or appears to 20.29.16 Quit FOAD ("Lost terminal") 20.29.26 # i think just the fact that radio and recording were enabled triggered something 20.29.38 # afterall its new on the x5 :) 20.30.27 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 20.31.15 # hooray for this 20.31.31 # yep 20.31.38 # was a good day today :) 20.31.44 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 20.32.07 # when my h140 comes in... i can listen to one player while drumming... and hear how terrible i sound with the x5 :) 20.34.00 # hehe :) 20.35.32 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host118-160.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 20.37.26 # next thing i'm hoping for is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5106 or http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3298.0 20.37.41 # wonder how far rubberglove has gotten with that 20.38.03 # i was thinking about that too 20.38.28 # if the default behavior was changed.. people who like it the way it is could just select track 1 and turn shuffle off 20.38.51 # and have the same effect without the destruction of the playlist 20.39.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.39.59 # well.. that and battery optimization .. but i know they are actively working on the battery 20.40.04 Join nudelyn2 [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-103-68.dslaccess.co.uk) 20.40.07 # or will be 20.46.39 Join gursikh [0] (n=guriskh1@adsl-64-123-207-105.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 20.48.35 # anyone with cvs access online? 20.48.48 # I've got a small bugfix 20.49.37 # How small? 20.49.43 # what is it for too? 20.49.56 # 10 lines 20.50.02 Join S0ap [0] (n=bob@unaffiliated/s0ap) 20.50.04 # bidirectional setting for the remote 20.50.09 # it was left out last time 20.50.16 # I have a few questions... I'm using an H120... I just upgraded my rockbox again today, but for some reason my wps file cuts off parts of the name of an id3 tag. Anyone have any suggestions how to fix that? 20.50.27 # currently it can't be set, it is always the default 20.50.27 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 20.51.10 # godzirra: Which WPS? What version of Rockbox were you running previously? 20.52.02 # I'm using a custom.wps (I can paste it if need be) and I was running a version a few months old 20.52.07 # I upgraded because the old version did the saame thing 20.52.38 # is there anyway, godzirra, that you toggled the setting to prefer ID3v1 over ID3v2 tags? 20.52.53 # or does this problem only appear in this WPS? 20.53.18 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-56-46.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 20.53.24 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.53.38 # Hmmm... that is possible s0ap... How do I check? 20.53.43 # I havent tried another wps. 20.53.44 # i've noticed something in the engineer2 wps.. not important to me.. but on my x5 and h140 the bitrate is shifted to the right 20.54.07 # about half way out of the box where its supposed to display 20.54.41 # XavierGr: Do you have a patch? 20.54.41 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.54.56 # godzirra - try another WPS, and if the problem persists, we'll go from there. 20.54.57 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.55.08 # linuxstb: yes 20.55.16 # dcc? 20.55.43 # it does not happen in another wps it doesnt look like 20.55.48 # goffa_: I have the same problem on my h120 20.55.55 Quit nudelyn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.56.14 # XavierGr: OK - to linuxstb 20.56.16 # If A link on the wiki is 404, can I just remove the link? 20.56.24 # http://sial.org/pbot/18563 is my custom.wps 20.56.26 # Menu ->General Settings ->Playback->ID3 Tag Priority is where the setting is, godzirra 20.56.38 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust335.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 20.57.14 # S0ap: yeah, its v2 then v1 20.57.19 # and engineer.wps seems to work 20.57.48 # But I'm unclear why my wps isnt working 20.58.31 # jhMikeS: you there? 20.58.36 # poop, as I liked my theory. 20.58.41 # lol 20.59.04 # linuxstb: I've tested a few more codecs on the iPod 3G, but I can't edit the Wiki page. 20.59.35 # dan_a: I have to ask you one question: "Are you a spammer planning to insert hidden links all over the wiki?" 20.59.48 # linuxstb: sent on your sourceforge mail. 21.00.05 # So any suggestions on how I can fix my wps? 21.00.19 # XavierGr: Thanks - it went straight into my junk mail :) 21.00.20 # linuxstb: Do I need to be? 21.00.34 # Anyone here got an IAudioX5 who knows how to patch? 21.00.41 # Can someone please give me write access to the wiki, I have just registered 21.01.20 # dan_a: All new wiki accounts need to be "approved" by someone in IRC before the account can get write access - it's to help prevent spammers registering. It was a joke... 21.02.04 # dan_a: But I've forgotten how to do it... Anyone? 21.02.16 # I see....., OK then. Back to my other question: If a link is 404, should I just remove the link, or make a note? 21.02.29 # Some page needs to be edited.... 21.02.29 # linuxstb: did you get it then? 21.02.36 # Should be in the logs somewhere 21.03.00 # amiconn: Yes, I'm searching the logs now... 21.03.26 # * amiconn should update his irc logfile collection 21.03.30 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.03.59 # Please let me know when I have write access :-) 21.04.10 # linuxstb: The dry humour in my reply didn't carry over IRC then! 21.04.52 # dan_a: Sorry :) Try now? 21.05.26 # Mmmm: I'm here now. 21.05.42 # you've got an IAudioX5 right? 21.05.49 # Mmmm: Si 21.06.06 # and you know how to patch rockbox? 21.06.08 # XavierGr: Yes, I got it. 21.06.21 # Mmmm: Yes 21.06.23 # also another issue: when Logging in, example- hit edit on some page, login prompt syas login..blah blah blah, hit cancel to register if you dont have a login: hit cancel and you get : blank page with this: ScriptUrlPath}/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration 21.06.30 Join bluebrother [0] (i=IBHLIWYp@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 21.06.37 # linuxstb: That's working 21.06.50 # jhMikeS: would you mind ding me a favour? A quick bit of testing? 21.06.59 # For codecs which are OK at low bitrates, is that a Yes or a No? 21.07.06 # Mmmm: Sure. Why not? 21.07.44 # dan_a: You could try and add a note, but I'm not sure of the best way in a Twiki. AAC on normal ipods should also have a note to say it works at low bitrates (128kbps) only. 21.07.55 # jhm:excellent, there is a patch here (very simple but I dont want to commit without testing): http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5389.msg41628#msg41628 21.08.02 # XavierGr: Shouldn't the config block version be incremented as well? 21.08.20 # Mmmm: I hope it doesn't conflict with my changes. :D I'll use an unmodified source if you like. 21.08.45 # jhMikeS: it only changes recording.c ... should be ok it think 21.09.00 # s/ it/I 21.09.35 # just check that the buttons do what I said they should do earlier on in the thread 21.09.59 # Mmmm: Ok...it's up in the tracker now, eh? 21.10.13 # no, just on the forum 21.10.17 # linuxstb: yes, indeed ;p 21.10.25 # I completely forgot that! 21.10.46 # Mmmm: No wonder I was missing it, the type is tiny. 21.11.06 # :D you've got it now though? 21.11.58 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 21.12.42 # Who should I contact about my above "bug" report ? 21.12.46 # Mmmm: Yes...I'm using two computers at once here! 21.13.24 # XavierGr: In fact, your patch doesn't add remote_bidir_limit to the settings struct (around line 366 of settings.c) - so the setting won't be saved (unless I'm missing something...) 21.13.37 # let me check it 21.13.43 # I did it very quickly 21.13.45 # (damn) 21.14.07 # Take your time and test and email it to me later. 21.14.41 # Sooo... anyone have any idea how to fix my WPS or why it isnt working? 21.15.02 # linuxstb_: Write access? 21.15.23 # prety please? 21.15.56 # linuxstb: thanks for cheking it first 21.16.01 # I am a complete idiot! :p 21.18.35 # Mmmm: Building now... 21.18.51 # Hmm. The table in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs isn't clear about whether a codec isn't realtime on a specific target, or whether it's just not tested yet 21.20.16 # godzirra: are you sure you're using the same font? since your wps uses spaces and not align tags for the 'layout' - or where is it cut? 21.21.50 # jhMikeS: The suspense is killing me! ;) 21.22.40 # amiconn: there needs to be a nice "question mark" icon 21.23.10 # Either that, or the tested negative cases could be marked with %N% 21.23.41 # Does %N% work? If it does I'll mark the ones I know are negative 21.23.48 # When we are discussing the SoundCodecs pageC could someone with write access add info about speex (patch) to the first table. e.g. "Patch for rockbox exists in the bugtracker but it is slow because speex is still not fully converted to fixed point." 21.24.24 # Mmmm: Joystick: Check play: check, rec: check 21.24.51 # and lon presses on play and rec? 21.25.09 # Mmmm: But...when I press power from the recording screen it aborted the record screen and went to the menu. It that right? What is "on hold"? 21.25.25 # yes, long presses 21.25.48 # which menu? did it just go back a step? 21.26.03 # not the same as long rec right? 21.26.34 # nothing happens with a long record press while recording. Yes back to the recording menu 21.27.08 # why not use the record button to record? or is that because the record button does menus throughout? 21.27.30 # Mmmm: long record, wait a minute. 21.27.48 # short record should always start a new file 21.28.03 # long record brings up the menu with frequency, etc... 21.28.10 # yep.. 21.28.27 Join midgey31 [0] (n=TJ@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 21.28.32 # press short record a few times, you should see the filename increment 21.28.40 # long record does nothing during recording 21.28.52 # yup 21.29.11 # reecording doesn't start, it just shows a new file 21.29.36 # ok..while recording, going into settings is a no-no so that's good 21.29.43 # it doesnt start at all? 21.30.09 # Mmmm: should it? short record just brings up a new file name. 21.30.29 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-51-112.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.30.49 # if you press it once it should start recording, press again it should continue recording but in a different file 21.30.53 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 21.30.56 # short record while recording starts a new file and keeps recording 21.31.02 # good 21.31.07 # but... 21.31.41 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 21.31.42 # if I'm not recording, rec brings up the frequency menu, or did I cover that? 21.31.53 # that should be long rec 21.32.01 # It just happened 21.32.30 # short rec? 21.32.50 # audio meters going, no recording press record short and... 21.33.04 # yes.... :D 21.33.06 # ok...but it was *very* short. 21.33.34 # really? hmmm some people have been having probs with short presses... 21.34.01 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-51-112.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.34.03 # ok...when stopped: play brings up the main record menu and record brings up the record menu. 21.34.27 # these are long presses right? 21.34.27 # BTW: does it delete the files if you never started actually recording anything and you switch file names? 21.34.47 # Yes 21.35.00 # no 21.35.07 # no, it starts a new file...I assume you have paused the recording to do that 21.35.07 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host118-160.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 21.35.14 # If I'm recording and I hit long play, it will jump back to the main record menu 21.35.16 # If you don't record, there is no file created at all 21.35.23 Join UrbanNightmare [0] (n=d15b400d@labb.contactor.se) 21.35.42 # Mmmm...if i didn't pause, it keep right on recording into a new one. 21.36.08 # If no samples were recorded, it probably should be deleted IMHO. 21.36.13 # good, that's as it should be...Long play acts as stop so this should always exit the recording screen 21.36.16 # Hello everyone. Just a quick question about compiling from source. Do I need to put a new firmware on my iPod or just the rockbox.ipod file? 21.36.31 Quit midgey34 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.37.07 # UrbanNightmare: rockbox.ipod _is_ the firmware. You don't have to update the bootloader. 21.37.39 # Thanks. Sorry got the two confused. I'm new to rockbox but not to cross compiling in Linux. 21.37.48 # Mmmm: why does play have to be the "Off" when the power button does it too? 21.38.35 # I was told that long play was normally the off button so for consistency I put it in 21.38.43 # ? 21.38.45 # ok 21.39.01 # amiconn: IAudiox5 has no off button! 21.39.02 # Long play is the off button _on ipod_ 21.39.15 # Ah, you're talking about x5... sorry 21.39.34 # doesn't Ipod have an off button either? what is the world coming to? :D 21.39.41 # amiconn: lets not get too technical...mmmmkay? :) 21.39.48 # Iirc, off is doubled on Play because the power button is deemed a bit cumbersome to operate 21.39.57 # the power switch is on/off 21.40.10 # Mmmm: nope 21.40.21 # Ipod has no dedicated off button at all 21.40.52 # maybe these days the philosophy is: if you've started listening why would you want to stop 21.41.17 # Mmmm: I trust it checks out? 21.41.21 # While we're on the subject, is the iPod supposed to reset when the power-off timer is reached, or should it go into standby like it does on the original firmware? 21.41.34 # jhMikeS: ??? 21.41.47 # What I'd really like is to be able to remap keys for each function to my liking. 21.42.02 # heh heh..not a chance! 21.42.22 # Mmmm: The ???. I mean the button are ok? 21.42.29 # jhMikeS: so the conclusion is that the patch does what it should right? 21.42.31 # Mmmm: Watch me! 21.42.48 # im watching... 21.43.12 # Mmmm: Well, yes. Now I have to see if there's actually something recorded! ;D 21.43.32 # Mmmm: or does that already check out? 21.43.40 # ahh..that shouldnt be a prob...what I've done is just the buttons 21.43.46 # dan_a: It should go into standby. But I'm not sure if the method is the same on the 3g - does it have a pcf50605? 21.43.53 # Mmmm: Watch me do the button thing...fully programmable keys! 21.44.07 # linuxstb: It does 21.44.17 # ahh! i see....that'll never get committed though is what I meant! ;) 21.44.19 # Mmmm: 20 different press length setting on each 21.45.12 # dan_a: Rockbox doesn't have a standby mode. It powers off after the poweroff timeout (hence the name ;) ) 21.45.33 # Mmmm: Why wouldn't it? It wouldn't change anything for the novice and those that have gripes with keys can have it their way. 21.45.42 # Ah, you mean on g3 it doesn't work right yet 21.45.51 # * amiconn is a bit slow today :( 21.46.10 # yay.. iriver got my h140 21.46.27 # should have it fixed by wed.. and i should have it in time for vacation 21.46.29 # jhMikeS: It's just one of those things people have decided is a bad idea... 21.46.45 # dan_a: Looking at the code, it should be working on the 3g... What happens if you hold the play button for a few seconds? 21.46.52 # jhMikeS: ok..thanks loads, I'll commit that button patch then... cheers 21.47.34 # * Mmmm gets back to washing the dishes 21.47.37 # Mmmm: Well, I'm a bit new here so I'm not up on everything that's been decided. I don't remember seeing it in "features we'll never add to rockbox". 21.47.37 # linuxstb: It shuts down. When I wake it up it does a full reboot 21.47.47 # That's normal. 21.48.24 # That's fine then - at the moment I'm not always sure what's expected behaviour and what's a bug! 21.48.57 # Mmmm: I'd like to see my LCD driver upgrade committed...I've been working my butt off on it! :D 21.49.12 # jhMikeS: have a quick look here (all i can find at the mo) jhMikeS: ok..thanks loads, I'll commit that then... cheers 21.49.13 # By the way, I managed to get some plugins working as thumb code :) 21.49.15 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.49.54 # Mmmm: Where's the link? 21.50.02 # jhMikeS: I'm afraid you'd have to find a dev who knows a bit more about the IAudio than me for that one....just keep going on about it 21.50.13 # dan_a: Nice. Which ones? 21.50.42 # jhMikeS: Damn, stupid clipboard :D http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.msg41651#msg41651 21.50.53 # Mmmm: I've totally taken it over and boosted the frame rates substantially, is that worthy. And then there's the LCD shutoff thing 21.51.09 # Clock and Brickmania definitely were. 21.51.23 # Mmmm: Thanks. 8D 21.51.51 # It was only saving about 4k per .rock though. 21.52.05 # jhMikeS: Sounds very good, It's just not me you need to talk to :) 21.52.30 Quit UrbanNightmare ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.52.33 # dan_a: Still no luck with the codecs though? 21.52.49 # Mmmm: Help me out. Who's the one/ones to talk to? RaeNye? 21.52.56 Quit novimon ("leaving") 21.53.20 # linuxstb: No. I need to learn enough about Makefiles so I can try one codec at a time 21.53.39 # jhMikeS: I think Bagder and LinusN are the only two devs with CVS access and X5s, but I'm losing track of who has CVS access now... 21.54.32 # linuxstb_: Thanks 21.58.56 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 21.59.07 # Hmm. The lcd should be shut down properly on all platforms. That's missing for ages.... 21.59.44 # amiconn: X5 backlight blinks on poweroff when you do it 21.59.52 # linuxstb: Actually, now I come to think about it, last time I tried the codecs I wasn't using -mcallee-super-interworking 21.59.59 # and I think it needs that 22.01.56 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 22.02.29 # jhMikeS: Yeha, it's quite likely the lcd becomes transparent when it's powered down. In this case it's necessary to switch off the backlight before shutting down the lcd 22.03.08 # amiconn: I did that of course! :) 22.04.36 # But without lcd shutdown, nasty effects might happen. Ghost images on coluor ipods, permanent black lcd line on greyscale ipods at next boot which will only slowly fade away. And a black line together with some pixel garbage at shutdown on the player 22.05.23 # The ghost images and black lines on ipod may have a negative effect on lcd lifetime 22.05.28 # Well, the X5 doesn't do that stuff...maybe it won't have I'll effects on other players. 22.06.00 # Maybe the H300 and X5 lcd have similar effects, just not visible because the lcd looks almost black when powered off 22.06.52 Quit damaki_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.07.51 # I don't know how shut down the VCC on the backlight and the LCD. Think I can randomly turn things off till I find it? 22.08.14 # You don't need to shut down Vcc 22.08.23 # The lcd has a powerdown command sequence 22.08.32 # s/lcd/lcd controller/ 22.08.41 # amiconn: I put it though that of course 22.10.37 # Even just shutting down the display and leaving the internal operations going give the flash and powerdown. 22.11.27 # ...at poweroff 22.16.24 Quit gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.18.11 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 22.19.01 Join low_light [0] (n=chatzill@rrcs-24-123-47-98.central.biz.rr.com) 22.19.13 Quit Pyromancer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.19.31 # Hmm.... I'm not exactly a friend of colour displays on mobile devices.... but... if someone manages to port a visualisation like "goom"... 22.20.59 # * amiconn guesses that type of visualisation is too demanding 22.21.52 Join BockBilbo [0] (n=BockBilb@eu85-84-43-70.clientes.euskaltel.es) 22.21.56 # hey again! 22.23.02 # amiconn: Milkdrop which I suppose is similar to Goom, requires 8MB minimum hardware-based 3D graphics acceleration... 22.23.21 # I don't think goom needs hardware 3D 22.23.22 # ...amd 32MB recommended 22.23.42 # It runs with the opensource ati driver, hence without 3D acceleration 22.23.55 # opensource ati driver has hardware acceleration for some chips 22.24.25 # a: It is driving a much larger screen. b: it wasn't programed with memory savings in mind c: I'd still bet my left nut the ipod couldn't drive anything close. 22.25.47 # crwl: Hmm, is that documented somewhere 22.25.56 # Btw, Xpress 200 (RS480) here 22.26.05 # (ATI chipset gfx) 22.27.14 # amiconn, i don't know... 22.27.35 # i have a radeon 9600 pro (RV350 i think) and was able to run PrBoom and glxgears just fine :) 22.28.09 # Im still searching for a program to retrieve all the album art images from my mp3 files tags that saves them on the folder each file is located at... anyone knows about one? 22.28.17 # didn't try much else, because newer versions of the proprietary driver work fine for me... 22.29.03 # Album cover art downloader doesn't seen to be what i need, and neither easytag.. because for both of them i would need to save each image manually 22.29.24 # i need a program to get all the images from a large collection searching the directories recursively 22.29.41 # I won't go through the hassle of installing proprietary drivers 22.29.56 # (and I don't even know whether tehy're available for amd64) 22.30.24 # BockBilbo: maybe http://team.thenexusnet.com/nexus/AAA/ ?? 22.30.42 # obo, lets see 22.30.42 # :) 22.30.43 # there are drivers available for amd64 22.30.58 # ive read about it on mysticriver 22.31.07 # though im not sure if it is what i need 22.31.16 # at least with ubuntu, the installation is very easy, the driver is available with apt-get 22.31.26 # About the visualizations, a simple spectrum analyser plugin would be nice to have 22.31.35 # that program is for getting images from amazon 22.31.50 # i already have every image on the tags 22.31.59 # I don't care much about 3D anyway, what would be more important would be a working DPMS at the DVI output :/ 22.32.00 # so i need to get the images from the mp3 files 22.32.03 # BockBilbo: ewww 22.32.14 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-51-112.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.32.41 Quit damaki (Remote closed the connection) 22.32.43 # sorry, I missed the bit when you said you had them in tags... 22.33.10 # obo, it is possible to add the album covers on the mp3 id tags 22.33.31 # Anyone with an Archos fancy testing some patches for me? 22.33.32 # all my mp3 files have its album cover on its id tag 22.33.37 # no idea - I used it when I was running windows, but have since switched to linux... so can't check 22.34.02 # obo, was that for me? 22.34.06 # yes 22.34.10 # i use ubuntu too 22.34.12 # pondlife: What kind of Archos, and what kind of patches? 22.34.29 # Any HWCODEC - that's most if not all of them isn't it? 22.34.32 # Oh, shoot. Nevermind. 22.34.35 # And yeah, that's all of 'em. 22.34.37 # Two patches to fix 2 crashes 22.34.37 # I was wondering, is there a specific reason why .rvf are only for the Archoses? 22.34.45 # with voice clips 22.34.51 # i think im going to write a little bash script to get the images from the mp3 id tags 22.34.53 # Just realized, the AJBR is in a box in a truck 3 hours from here at the moment. =/ 22.35.25 # Paul_The_Nerd: No problem, but in 3 hours maybe you can look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5690 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5691 22.35.26 # Paul_The_Nerd: is it a dilemma it's three hours away? 22.35.27 # ;) 22.36.01 # I'd be interested to know if others are seeing the actual crashes too - they've been plaguing me for a while now. 22.36.33 # Might be my unusual config - .talk dir clips but not file clips 22.36.33 # pondlife: It won't be here in three hours. The truck is just three hours' drive away. It'll be here some time late this evening. But I'll check them when I get the chance (you may need to remind me tomorrow though, if I haven't yet) 22.37.01 # No worries, I was just joking about the 3 hours. I'll give you 4... ;-) 22.37.14 # BockBilbo: install "eyed3" and use the --write-images option 22.37.21 # thanks low_light 22.37.38 # I have a Recorder V1 which I leant to a friend, maybe able to get it back next week sometime. 22.39.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.40.00 # On another topic - has it been suggested that 10000 tracks is too low a limit for tagcache? 22.41.08 Quit godzirra ("Lost terminal") 22.42.10 # low_light, that works, thanks... though i think that im going to write a little Java program 22.43.03 # pondlife: Several times, actually. 22.43.30 # pondlife: When the user initializes tagcache for the first time, maybe we should let them choose how big it gets to be. 22.45.55 # I increased my build to 15000, I wonder how big a memory hit I've taken.... 22.46.13 # It should probably be a setting, like the max files per playlist 22.46.49 # Anyway, as is my way, I've gotta go. 22.46.58 Quit pondlife ("Hit and run") 22.49.05 # I figure I can only get apox 9000 LAME -APS songs on my 60 gig ipod. 22.49.42 # (and I didn't use any long-ass ASMZ or GY!BE tracks to calc that) 22.50.00 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p548753EB.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.50.48 # by the way, i jost bougth a volskwagen golf on which im thinking of installing the ipod support for the radio-cd. The question here is... this will just work for the apple firmware, right? 22.50.51 # but you can get a lot over 10000 vorbis q4 tracks... 22.50.58 # or .SIDs, for that matter :D 22.51.28 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 22.51.54 # Yeah, .sids+tagcache == OUCH 22.52.08 # (is there a dircache exclude feature already? HVSC and dircache don't mix) 22.52.14 # vorbis q6 is much closer to APS than q4 22.52.16 # tagcache probably doesn't know anything about sids yet, or..? 22.52.19 # but point taken 22.52.44 # yes, but many people would consider APS quality a waste in a portable player, including me 22.52.46 # crwl: The SID patch was indexed by TagCache, unless they disabled that when committing it, I imagine it's the same. 22.53.01 # Why would APS be a waste on a portable? 22.53.07 # i would perhaps have different opinion if i had 60 gigs of available space, though 22.53.13 # Especially ones like the H100 with digital output? 22.53.28 # Paul_The_Nerd, because I can only luckily ABX even q4 vorbis 22.53.47 # Well, it's a waste if you can't ABX it at all, yeah. 22.53.58 # But you said you consider it a waste for portable players, rather than just for playback in general... 22.54.15 # lame --preset standard isn't a waste imho 22.54.29 # well, even so for portable players, because the playing environment is noisier and yadayada... erm... *I* haven't used the digital out at all with my H120 :) 22.54.56 # I don't need abx to hear the difference between lame --preset standard and 128/160kbps on most music 22.55.09 # most people do need, though 22.55.24 # and vorbis at ~128 kbps is a completely different beast compared to MP3 on similar bitrates 22.55.29 # crwl - if enviromental noise is a problem, get some canalphones. 22.55.44 # S0ap, they're bloody expensive 22.55.52 Part low_light ("User is away.") 22.56.04 # better for your ears than turning up the volume to drown out noise. 22.56.07 # crwl: Get the EP630s, they block out quite a lot of noise right there. :-P 22.56.24 # Even the cheap Koss Sparkplugs. 22.56.28 # No. 22.56.29 # :-P 22.56.35 # i have spark plugs and use them rarely 22.56.59 # I mostly use PX100's outside, spark plugs if the environment is really noisy 22.57.01 # * amiconn wonders why so many people seem to need either high volume or in-canal phones to enjoy their music 22.57.12 # the sound quality between those two is huge, though 22.57.16 # cause I work on the side of the highway? 22.57.25 # with those spark plugs, I wouldn't mind using q2 vorbis 22.58.19 # oh, I probably wouldn't mind with them PX100's either if I had a low-capacity flash player 22.58.24 # At home I use PX100s and listen at about -50 to -60 apparently 22.58.28 # it's just surprisingly good 22.58.42 Quit Rondom (Remote closed the connection) 22.58.53 # S0ap: That's a special case then. What I mean is that if I use public transport (which I seldom do) I often can hear other people's music even though I'm wearing earphones myself (!) 22.59.03 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE06D.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.59.12 # amiconn, that's really horrible 22.59.20 # don't their ears hurt 22.59.44 Join randi [0] (n=sektie@freebsdgirl.com) 23.01.10 # yea amiconn - drowning out background noise with more volume is a bad call. 23.01.55 Join Caliban [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 23.03.23 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net) 23.04.34 # Depends on how crappy the other person's headphones are. 23.04.45 # They may just leak alot. 23.05.14 # i should probably do new ABX tests someday - it's been several years... 23.06.04 # the headphones I now have are pretty decent - the Sennheiser HD595's, but I have no idea about the output quality of my sound card, it's some cheap 5.1 Terratec 23.06.15 # at least it's not horribly hissy like some cheaper Soundblasters 23.06.37 # Well, a lot of people turn up their music really loud because they've already half-deafened themselves. 23.07.44 # Paul_The_Nerd: good point 23.08.31 # Is there a way to actually measure the dB that our ears daily are exposed to? 23.08.54 # Is there anyone with CVS commit access around? 23.09.11 # Genre9mp3: What? I didn't hear that 23.09.32 # I mean, by somehow analysing the waveform of a file... 23.09.51 # and of course calibrate that info to specific earphones/headphones 23.12.12 # ...and suddenly...silence! OMG I'm deaf! :) 23.12.37 # Huh? 23.15.51 # * jhMikeS wonders if Paul_The_Nerd is melting 23.16.06 # I'm inside today 23.16.15 # With air conditioning. It can be nearly 100 all it wants. I'm here. 23.16.27 # You'll have to leave sometime... 23.16.33 # Now the wires are melting 23.17.18 # linuxstb_: I have a couch to move today... 23.19.42 # hmpf 23.19.46 # * amiconn fetches calculator 23.20.08 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 23.21.16 # * linuxstb wonders why rockbox.bin would crash when loaded directly from the ipod's firmware partition... 23.21.30 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d01m-89-83-147-191.d4.club-internet.fr) 23.21.33 # Is that an actual Rockbox or the bootloader? 23.21.52 # An actual Rockbox - no bootloader. 23.22.33 # See my last commit to tools/scramble.c - it creates a firmware image directly from either bootloader.bin or rockbox.bin. 23.22.47 # I saw it, but I must've misread it 23.22.56 # The bootloader works fine, but rockbox.bin crashes immediately after displaying the logo... 23.23.02 # (with a corrupted display) 23.23.37 # Is the Apple bootloader not loading all of it, maybe? 23.24.31 # Maybe... 23.25.23 # Does it load the Apple image all in a lump, or does it move parts of it to specific places in memory? 23.25.43 # It loads it all in one lump. 23.26.17 # I was just remembering back to when you had it trying to load the Apple image from the Fat32 partition. It seemed to be working, but attempting certain functions just locked it up. 23.28.10 # Thinking about it, it must load it all - there is a checksum in the header, so if it wasn't all loaded, the checksum would fail. 23.29.05 # Is there any initialization our bootloader normally does that isn't getting done? 23.29.45 Join freqmod_n [0] (n=freqmod@159.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 23.32.05 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54933EF0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.32.20 # Not that I can think of - Rockbox should do everything again... Oh well, debugging time. 23.33.12 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-126-24-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 23.33.27 Quit Rondom (Remote closed the connection) 23.34.04 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE06D.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.36.06 # * linuxstb hates it when insterting debugging code fixes the problem... 23.36.13 Quit Sinbios (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.36.49 # Did it? 23.37.28 # * scorche wonders why he hasnt seen Bagder around lately 23.37.29 Quit lodesi (Remote closed the connection) 23.37.34 # He's away 23.37.46 # where? 23.37.48 # Dunno 23.37.57 # huh 23.38.06 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d01m-89-83-147-191.d4.club-internet.fr) 23.38.06 # huh as in the hmph huh 23.38.15 # Yeah, I figured that. 23.38.22 # huh = hmph 23.38.26 # huh? = huh? 23.38.40 # Yep 23.38.47 # That's exactly why punctuation is a good thing. 23.39.24 # Indeed. 23.39.37 # Maybe I should start typing correctly. 23.39.57 Join webguest33 [0] (n=d5c75fd5@labb.contactor.se) 23.40.08 Quit webguest33 (Client Quit) 23.40.10 Join webguest33 [0] (n=d5c75fd5@labb.contactor.se) 23.42.01 Quit webguest33 (Client Quit) 23.44.04 # who needs capitals. but commas and periods are fun. 23.44.25 Quit freqmod (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.44.33 # If you say so. 23.44.42 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.44.49 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.47.10 # that looks awful. stop it. 23.48.02 # Why does it look awful? 23.49.11 # Paul_The_Nerd :) 23.49.24 # 'lo. 23.49.31 # 'alo 23.49.32 # * randi stalks. 23.49.57 # capitalization mostly, and it doesn't fit with your usual "its quiet in here" kind of punctuation/capitalization theme. 23.50.39 # So does it look bad when I use proper capitalization, or is this more of a 'depends on who does it' sort of thing? 23.50.55 # I have a theme? Also, i do not get your "it's quiet in here" remark. Please rephrase. 23.51.33 # <- cl chick, btw. 23.51.36 # I figured. 23.51.50 # caps on irc are for people that take way too much time to type. :) 23.51.50 # Which means I've now found your blog. 23.51.57 # forgot a capital "I" and not even the most grammatically-correct person on earth would say "I do not get your [...]". 23.51.59 # indeed. it's not that hard. you could have googled my name. 23.52.11 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 23.52.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: certainly depends-who-does it. :) 23.52.31 # you've always done it, and nobody else really does, so it's kind of what i associate with you.. 23.52.35 # I was silly and didn't include BSD in the google. 23.52.45 # scorche's the guy who never uses commas or periods or apostrophes. 23.52.50 # tsk tsk. 23.52.52 # I am? 23.53.00 # yes. 23.53.00 # Yeah, I have a very hard time typing without using capital letters, in all honesty. It got trained into me at a very early age, and it takes me longer to not use them. 23.53.18 # didn't mean to join and idle, but some people just called for a phone interview. 23.53.32 # ah.. i use capitals in forum posts or.. you know.. stuff that other people will really see.. irc or instant messaging is always usually lowercase. 23.53.35 # And i use commas _sometimes_; more often than not, I merely use ellipses. 23.53.39 # btw, bring me your laptop. i can probably get freebsd working on it. 23.53.46 # if i can get freebsd working on a macbook pro, i can do anything. 23.53.56 # scorche: that capital "I" is giving you trouble, isn't it. :) 23.54.06 # YES! 23.54.14 # The laptop has far more serious issues at the moment. I shall bring you the replacement, that I'm going to beat out of Best Buy after my final next week. 23.55.43 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3560751.sympatico.ca) 23.56.41 # cool. i look forward to the challege. anything will be a welcome change after dealing with apple's completely screwed idea of how USB should work. 23.56.42 Quit apo` ("KVIrc 3.2.3 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 23.56.51 # yay, score. in-person interview tomorrow. 23.57.03 # Congrats. 23.57.04 # er, weds 23.57.32 # i think that's a new record 23.57.47 # finding a job within 30 minutes of deciding that i should probably get one :) 23.57.51 # In terms of "time since the resume was sent"? 23.57.57 # 4yeah. 23.57.58 # er, -4. 23.58.06 # * scorche gasps.