--- Log for 27.07.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 5 hours ago 00.00.04 # ...but the second one yields smaller & faster code. That's with -O (coldfire) 00.00.34 # * amiconn wonders why gcc doesn't find such obvious things... 00.07.12 Join MangoMan [0] (n=MangoMan@65.164.103.100) 00.07.40 # Can you get rockbox to support .wmv? 00.08.29 # <|apo|> I doubt it 00.08.38 # No pluggins? 00.09.11 # <|apo|> First we have to get video... 00.09.21 # <|apo|> Dunno if that's planned 00.09.28 # we don't plan 00.09.34 # <|apo|> See? :P 00.09.47 # MangoMan: 1) There is no open source wmv decoder; 2) The players rockbox runs on will struggle with all types of video playback. 00.09.52 # linuxstb_: wrong 00.09.54 # <|apo|> (I wouldn't want to watch videos on those screens anyway) 00.09.56 # check ffmpeg svn 00.10.02 # wmv? 00.10.03 # the wmv decoder is quite nice 00.10.10 # yeah, Summer of Code project 00.10.12 # OK, then just 2) :) 00.10.16 # ya 00.10.21 # it's brand new 00.10.25 # cool 00.10.25 # Is there anything ffmpeg can't do? 00.10.29 # ffmpeg <3 00.10.29 # I want to play windows audio files 00.10.38 # MangoMan: then start working 00.10.50 # Ya 00.10.57 # for audio, there seems to be work in progress 00.11.03 # really? 00.11.08 # not that we've seen anything, but there are people claiming so 00.11.09 # You have a link 00.11.11 # Oh 00.11.13 # (but not encrypted/DRM'ed WMA) 00.11.14 # right 00.11.16 # Ya 00.11.29 # I just want to play norm already ripped wma 00.11.41 # sorry not wmv 00.11.52 # there's a patch in the tracker i think ... don't know if it works though 00.12.01 # MangoMan: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3005.0 00.12.03 # There is a long thread in the forums about it - but no running code has been published. 00.12.17 # hmm i see thanks for the hint i appreciate it\ 00.13.14 # * MangoMan does a jig and snaps his fingers! " Thanks A Bunch" 00.13.17 Part MangoMan 00.15.05 # dionoea: Talking about ffmpeg, have you read anything lately about their AAC decoder? 00.15.38 # not really ... i saw messages on the mailing list i think but i didn't read them :D 00.15.57 # Remind them that a fixed point version would be really useful... 00.16.09 # that's one of the reccuring trolls 00.16.17 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.16.42 # it's not usefull performance wise on modern computers ... performance can be lower with fixed point. 00.16.47 # So i doubt that they'll do one :) 00.17.18 # good night people 00.18.26 Quit mirak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.19.41 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.22.41 # quick question about config-*.h. What is CPU_FREQ about? Is that just the frequency of the processor? If so, why is it set to 11289600 in most of the files? 00.25.37 # CPU_FREQ is the base frequency of the CPU, i.e. with the PLL disabled 00.25.51 # It's set to 11289600 for all coldfire targets 00.27.03 # Archos targets have different values (11059200 for recorders, 12000000 for player and Ondios). They have fixed CPU clock 00.27.23 # it's set to that for ipod targets too and they're PortalPlayer based, with two arm cores 00.27.37 Quit obo ("bye") 00.27.51 # On ipod it's probably unused, but misleading... 00.29.27 # /glare 00.29.47 # << Reviewing some old code... and to be quite honest, I have no frikkin idea how it works. But it does. 00.30.04 # (code of my own that is) 00.31.35 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 00.41.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.43.28 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-90-57.dsl.pipex.com) 00.51.32 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.54.27 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.56.40 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.10.45 Part JoeBorn ("open.neurostechnology.com") 01.21.42 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-91-234.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 01.29.17 Join RaiderX [0] (n=iPwn@71.196.36.53) 01.29.57 # hey, is there a list, or a forum thread or somethign that has downloadbale plugins for rockbox on ipods? and if so link pls =) 01.31.05 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 01.33.27 # nvm i noticed there are plugins in the patch list 01.33.28 Part RaiderX 01.34.29 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.34.42 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 01.42.46 Quit mikearthur_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.48.13 Join Aar0n [0] (n=no_email@bb-87-81-166-3.ukonline.co.uk) 01.48.39 # what id3 version should i use 01.50.17 Quit Aar0n (Client Quit) 01.50.23 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 01.50.31 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 02.00.16 Join lamed [0] (n=5900449f@labb.contactor.se) 02.03.15 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 02.06.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: Do you have the ability to close threads in the forums? 02.06.30 # Or more accurately, can the forum software close threads? 02.06.33 Quit nudelyn ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 02.06.38 # (I assume you can do anything...) 02.07.02 Join BigMac [0] (n=dummeska@64-252-104-114.adsl.snet.net) 02.08.05 # linuxstb_: Yeah, I can lock or remove threads. 02.09.07 # I just thought about it after reading that Doom on a PC post and realised I had never seen a locked thread in the Rockbox forums. 02.09.34 # There are a couple. And I just locked it anyway. 02.09.52 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.10.37 # have any of you eever talked to juius? he is a really nice guy. 02.10.51 # Ah... Apart from the lack of "reply" button, I can't tell that the thread's locked. 02.11.19 # So that explains why I've never noticed locked threads before... 02.11.21 # Yeah, it's not very visual about it. 02.11.41 # Since I can reply to locked threads, it's even less obvious to me when one's locked. 02.12.13 # Maybe a final post saying "Thread locked because...". But I'm not going to lose any sleep worrying about it. 02.13.06 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.14.08 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@4.sub-70-223-160.myvzw.com) 02.17.39 # jd 02.17.47 Quit JoeBorn (Client Quit) 02.17.55 # is their something wrong with your patcher? 02.20.28 # BigMac: why? 02.20.58 # its been 2-3 days and ive got no email 02.21.47 # Stats: 2 Builds completed successfully, 44 Builds completed unsuccessfully and i did both of them, so dw 02.22.01 # huh 02.22.14 # but i got no email sau=ying it was unsuccessful 02.22.24 # i need help with the php, because only the first selected patch in the list will get added 02.22.29 # hmm,,, i dunno 02.22.53 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 02.24.49 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 02.26.07 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@24-180-96-186.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 02.28.14 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 02.30.18 # Build seems to hang _again_! grmbl!! 02.31.05 # cvs server is pretty slow also 02.31.47 # CC bookmark.c 02.31.47 # In file included from bookmark.c:38: 02.31.48 # recorder/icons.h:28:25: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory 02.31.48 DBUG Enqueued KICK JdGordon 02.31.48 # recorder/icons.h:30:32: remote_rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory 02.31.51 # what the heck? 02.32.10 # Huh? 02.32.14 # These are generated 02.32.15 Part Paul_The_Nerd 02.32.21 # thats why im asking 02.32.48 # this is still happening after a reconfigure, and makeveryclearn 02.33.20 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 02.35.37 # copying them from a previous build seems to work.. *wierd* 02.41.11 Quit Farpenoodle ("Large sacks of cheese") 02.41.38 Nick k8to_ is now known as k8to (i=francois@skonnos.ducker.org) 02.41.42 Quit bondolo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.41.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.42.07 Part pixelma 02.47.37 Join blackvd [0] (i=1000@c-71-198-82-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 02.48.07 # say my iriver froze using rockbox how do i reboot it? 02.48.23 Join Drkepilogue [0] (n=478de5b0@labb.contactor.se) 02.48.40 # press the reset button 02.48.56 Quit FOAD (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02.49.42 # didn't realize it had one 02.50.17 # thanks 02.50.34 Part blackvd 02.54.47 # heh this is pretty sucky 02.55.17 # anyone know of a tool that organizes files into directories by album and artist? 02.55.31 # because manually doing this on my ipod blows 02.57.50 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 03.02.23 # BigMac: you can... pay someone else to do it for you. 03.04.13 # ill pay you 50 cents to do it sharpe:-) 03.04.26 # do you accept money orders? 03.04.33 # ah. maybe. 03.04.48 # im glad i only have like 120 songs lol 03.05.32 # BigMac: there's a lot of tools that try to do that by tags 03.05.32 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.05.53 # BigMac: i've used this thing called 'cantus' which is for free unix and has the worst interface ever 03.05.57 # but lets you script stuff 03.06.22 # jesus christ dudes. 'fade in on pause' is totally fucking unusable. why does it change the play/pause icon only AFTER the fact? i just clicked play/pause liek 8 times trying to get the fuckin thing to stop because icon wasnt changing, and hten i noticed it kept fading the sound in and out repeatedly and only THEN changing the icon 03.06.33 # if your files aren't reliably tagged, or reliably named, then there's no way to automate it to my knowledge, unoless you have software that can recognize songs by sound 03.06.34 # hahah. "the worst interface ever, but lets you script stuff." 03.06.51 # why is a) that stuff on by default b) changes the icon only AFTER the fade is complete?? 03.07.22 # sharpe: well it's significantly simpler to script in it than with external tools 03.07.32 # hey my pause on unplug isnt working 03.07.38 # whats up with that 03.07.40 # yeah, i'm sure it is, but that just struck me as funny. 03.07.56 # i have it set to pause and resume 03.07.58 # sharpe: i can do stuff like say "make all these files stored in directory/artist, oh wait, that's the wrong spelling for Pink Floyd" and it automatically fixes everything 03.08.01 # and it does neither 03.08.05 # just keeps playing 03.08.07 # :) 03.08.16 # sharpe: but it's truly horrific to use 03.08.20 # in terms of where to click 03.08.24 # i lelieve you. 03.08.30 # believe, not lelieve. 03.08.44 # sorry maybe you were just being amused, i thought you might be amused and interested slightly 03.09.05 # amused, but not very interested. sorry. 03.09.09 # fair enough 03.09.13 # i don't really recommend it :P 03.09.21 # i wouldn't really have much of a way to use it either 03.09.45 # dongs:you can turn it of man.... 03.10.01 # BigMac: no kidding, but its broken AND on by default 03.10.26 # dongs: i think you're right that there should be visual indication on activation 03.10.36 Quit joe2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.10.40 # k8to: it should just change the icon to pause BEFORE fade starts. 03.10.48 # dongs: it isn't BROKEN. it might look a bit weird if the icon says "pause" when there's music playing, hm? 03.10.58 # dongs: hmm, i think there should really be three states 03.11.04 # since if LCD is dark, one tap takes to wake it up, another tap takes to MAYBE start the pause process, and it would confuse the user if there was no feedback that something was happening 03.11.08 # dongs: not paused, pausing, paused 03.11.34 # i would probably make it blink while pausing 03.11.39 # or throb 03.11.42 # whatever 03.11.51 # k8to: that isn't going to happen.. (1) the fade only takes like under a second, it'd be pretty pointless and (2) the short fade is the only place it'd be used that i can think of.. 03.12.07 # ah, blinking is potential, but unlikely also.. 03.12.18 # midkay: well i can accept that it isn't going to happen, but it isn't pointless 03.12.25 # midkay: it's good user feedback 03.12.44 # "the thing you did is working" is good user interface 03.13.00 # k8to: considering the fade-length it is more or less. of course that's an opinion and it won't ever be a fact. you can't say "this is pointless, period.".. 03.13.11 # k8to: that'd apply here if it wasn't already working. 03.13.13 # lawl, i told oyu i just clicked pause like EIGHT TIMES because I couldnt tell waht hte fuck it was doing, so I was sittin here for liek 20 seconds while it faded in/out in/out instead of turning off like I wanted to 03.13.16 # it's not opinion, it's a generally accepted user interface principle 03.13.26 # dongs: learn to be a bit more patient then. or turn it off. 03.13.39 # not that I care much 03.13.40 # k8to: a flashing play icon for half a second? .. generally accepted... yeah... 03.14.29 # don't be hostile to improvement suggestions 03.14.49 # k8to: i'm not at all. don't be hostile to responses to your suggestions. not everyone will love them. :) 03.14.51 # feel free to mentally classify them at the very bottom of the pile 03.14.58 # it's not my suggestion 03.15.07 # whose is it then, and why are you taking such offense? 03.15.14 # i'm not offended 03.15.32 # whatever you wish to call it, it's unpleasant. 03.15.48 # I am sorry that your interpretation of my comments is unpleasant 03.15.53 Join ^jhMikeS^ [0] (n=jethead7@24-180-96-186.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 03.15.53 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 03.16.01 # sigh. 03.18.44 # whats unpleasant is 03.18.50 # pressing pause 03.18.53 # doesnt do shit 03.18.56 # and the user keeps pressing it 03.19.00 # because he knows something is wrong wiht opensource 03.19.07 # until he notices theres like 8 fadein/out requests queued 03.19.12 # and goes fuck this shit and breaks his ipod. 03.19.15 # ^ true story. 03.19.20 # i would say that you have a real user who has encountered a usability problem 03.19.27 # however minor 03.19.35 # i wouldn't call dongs a user in any way.. personally. 03.19.50 # hmm 03.19.53 # interesting 03.20.28 # do you think he is trolling? 03.20.39 # at the moment, not exactly. 03.21.01 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@toronto-HSE-ppp4055049.sympatico.ca) 03.21.07 # i haven't seen you around before today, so you wouldn't know that he's always around moaning about open source applications, telling us to switch to proprietary compilers, moaning about every little thing... 03.21.20 # s/you wouldn't know/i don't think you'd know/ 03.21.41 # well, I think he is still a user, even if he isn't worth dealing with 03.21.45 # majority of 'every little things" i moan about are valid user interface/usability concerns 03.22.29 # I don't remember a single valid concern from our conversation yesterday. 03.22.41 Quit Drkepilogue ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.22.57 # hm 03.23.04 # sometimes i wish i could be 'tech support' for open source projects 03.23.12 # without it being awful, that is 03.23.31 # It's pretty awful, most of the time. 03.23.34 # i have the right skillset and interest to filter through such things, but tech support is usually just an information bottleneck anyway 03.23.53 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 03.23.53 # * Paul_The_Nerd is essentially volunteer Tech Support for Rockbox. 03.24.13 # is sharpe considered tech support for rockbox? 03.24.21 # Paul_The_Nerd: do you file bug from complaints much? 03.24.43 # k8to: My usual process is getting them to the point where they can file a proper bug. 03.24.53 # teach a man to fish 03.25.00 # Ask them questions to verify it's a real concern, then tell them what to include when they report it. 03.25.01 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEEB10.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.25.32 # yeah sometimes i just think someone reports something, and a light goes on in your head 03.25.46 # and you're pretty sure you know about a much more specific problem 03.26.17 # that was about the only thing i ever did in tech support that i felt was valuable 03.26.29 # the synthesis of real problem analysis from many reports 03.27.08 # handholding feels ultimately unrewarding, since i think they should be learning to read docs themselves 03.27.11 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 03.27.25 # or i hsould be writing supplementary docs 03.27.36 # the way that part is done in opensores projects is 'LOL NOOB THATS HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO WORK' 03.27.56 # dongs: hm, that varies a lot. irc leans more that way 03.28.10 # since people have to suffer a lot of complainers 03.28.17 # *whistles* 03.28.40 # like this other problem i brought up a while ago (but now I know theres no *good* technical way to fix it) but anyway, if HOLD is on and ipod is plugged into usb, rockbox starts up after its plugged in and promptly erases settings (because hold on while power up = erase settings). but if someone just plugs the thing to charge, and forgets that it was on hold, they come back to it with all settings reset. 03.29.08 # hm 03.29.10 # thats bullshit and pisses users off. 03.29.20 # my naive reaction is that hold perhaps should not be used that way 03.29.24 # but i was told theres no way to fix that because keypad isnt readable at boot and hold is a gpio pin that can be checked. 03.29.44 # but i suppose the ipod has pretty limited inputs 03.30.02 # a 2-3 key combo AFTER boot would be just as effective, i think. 03.30.11 # for whatever reason that someone would wnat ot erase settings. 03.30.12 # i don't know the rationale 03.30.36 # holding down say forward and rewind would be more pleasant from a user perspective 03.30.40 # well for instance, if they accidentally, somehow set their background and foreground colors to the same color... 03.30.42 # dongs: It's possible for a bad settings block to freeze the iPod before you can get to a point where keypad input is possible, but a clear will still work. 03.30.47 # sharpe: yes, that was the excuse. 03.30.59 # sharpe: having a settings erase feature seems a good idea 03.31.00 # sharpe: however backround color has nothing to do with which keys to press to reset them. 03.31.10 # sharpe: although not letting them make that setting seems a good idea too :) 03.31.24 # that would be thinking too much 03.31.39 # * Paul_The_Nerd has never accidentally cleared his settings, but has on occasion had to intentionally clear them because his iPod would lock up with an IllInstr immediately upon boot. 03.31.41 # cant have that in opensource projects 03.31.42 # i would put it on the todolist 03.31.43 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.31.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: do you use hold much normally? 03.32.07 # i use it a great deal 03.32.16 # i've had the same-foreground-background colors happen to me once. 03.32.26 # k8to: I do use it a great deal, but only when it's in my pocket. 03.32.44 # i bicycle with my dap attached to my bag 03.32.51 # with hold on 03.32.52 # dongs: Even if you put safeguards in for the background color, it's nearly impossible to safeguard a backdrop image the same way. 03.32.54 # for many horus 03.32.57 # (one ear) 03.33.03 # so it will run out of batteries with hold on 03.33.07 # == boot up with hold on 03.33.25 # and promptly erase settings. 03.33.54 # How does running out of batteries with hold on equal booting with hold on? 03.34.01 # i don't think the complaint is that there is a way to reset settings, but that it is possible to accidentally trigger it in normal operation without intentionality 03.34.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: because later you power it on again 03.34.23 # (it powers on when you plug it into charger) 03.34.27 # automatically. 03.34.33 # So again it's a case of the user not bothering to check the hold switch. 03.34.39 # how important are these settings anyway? 03.34.41 # why the fuck should I be bothered to check the switch 03.34.45 Join Drkepilogue [0] (n=478de5b0@labb.contactor.se) 03.34.57 # is it all settings? 03.35.00 # yea 03.35.01 # k8to: It's all settings. 03.35.15 # that seems fairly annoying if you trigger it frequently 03.35.15 # You can export it to an text readable file though, and reimport if they get cleared. 03.35.19 # yay, lets get angry! 03.35.29 # it goes back to the default font/whatever, scrollbar on left side (not changeable, either), default wps etc. 03.35.31 # Paul_The_Nerd: that's nice 03.35.45 # dongs: You should bother to check the switch because that's the way we say it needs to be done. If you don't like it, code a better solution, offer one that addresses the current list of needs, or shut up. 03.35.59 # ^ typical open source reply 03.36.08 # hm 03.36.15 # dongs: All you've done is complain without offering an alternative. 03.36.17 # were I the developer, which I'm not 03.36.18 # "It's BAD" 03.36.41 # OMG, our method isn't the best? Jee, so what. It's what we have, and nobody has offered a method that's better. 03.36.44 # I would say: yes, it's less than ideal. It's not _that_ important, and we have bigger things to do right now. patches welcome 03.36.44 # Paul_The_Nerd: 99% of your users are this way 03.36.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: they're USERS. 03.36.58 # not programmers. 03.37.05 # they could care less how it works or why it works. 03.37.07 # they see an annoying feature 03.37.08 Quit Rondom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.37.09 # dongs: there are two ways to slice it 03.37.10 # and complain about it. 03.37.19 # dongs: Yes, but you complain about it despite knowing better. 03.37.20 # telling them to "submit a patch" is totally useless. 03.37.31 # And I didn't offer submitting a patch as the only alternative. 03.37.46 # there are no alternatives to usability problems. 03.37.46 # I also said suggest a method that addresses the current needs. 03.38.01 # If there are NO alternatives, then why bother complaining at all? 03.38.06 # If it cannot be better, then it isn't broken. 03.38.13 # paul:what could cause the "pause on unplug functin to not work, but the headphones work and music still plays 03.38.27 # BigMac: I didn't write that patch. 03.38.45 # oh i thought it was part of the cvs 03.38.51 # dongs: it is important to realize that changing behavior isn't really that easy 03.38.56 # dongs: it's a lot of work to make code 03.39.02 # i press ctlr+n to open new window in firefox, and alt-d to go to the location bar. because my homepage is about:blank, 50% of the time firefox will popup this 'enter url' window that only pops up when there's no location bar and oyu hit alt-d. I documented this and opened a bug on bugzilla. it seems it will not be fixed because "most people dont open new windows in firefox" being the excuse. what the FUCK? and they expect me to use this shit? 03.39.04 # BigMac: If ANYTHING is ever not working, try a CVS build first to make sure it doesn't work. 03.39.25 # dongs: WTF does FireFox have to do with Rockbox? 03.39.28 # (which is why I use IE) 03.39.30 # dongs: they don't expect you to use it, no. they PROVIDE it and you decide whether you want to or not. 03.39.32 # Other than two overlapping letters? 03.39.37 # dongs: hahah now you're trolling 03.39.38 # if you don't like their decisions, don't use it. 03.39.51 # midkay: i dont. 03.39.59 # see, you act like we ought to care that you use IE.. no, it's just a preference. 03.40.01 # sorry to feed him :( 03.40.16 # k8to: thankfully it's not as bad as usual. 03.41.29 Quit Drkepilogue ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.41.34 # https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332330 < check it out 03.42.22 # their "solution" was "use tabs lol" 03.42.36 # dongs: Again, this channel is relating to ROCKBOX 03.42.41 # okay. 03.42.49 # well i named like 3 things 03.42.51 # what is a good way to keep tabs on the rockbox porting efforts? (I'm sort of intersted in buying rockbox-capable hardware) I know about the general wiki and the mailing list. Are these the best ways? 03.42.52 # that annoy me in rockbox 03.43.09 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 03.44.01 # dongs: You also claimed one was unfixable, which kinda makes it pointless to complain, doesn't it? 03.44.14 # its unfixable the way its done now 03.44.18 # k8to: See the New Ports forum, and see which are most active. 03.44.26 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@c-69-136-79-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 03.44.29 # dongs: And what way of doing it would make it fixable? 03.44.38 # thats not really my concern as a user 03.44.50 # a even BETTER solution would be 03.44.55 # a) prevent crashes due to settings fuckups 03.44.56 # :) 03.45.03 # That's being worked on. 03.45.05 # b) prevent users from setting settings that fuck shit up. 03.45.18 # then you wouldnt need *gasp* a reset settings function on hardware! 03.45.30 # dongs: if you haven't done it already, file a feature request (no need to be unnecessary confrontational), and include a concise rationale 03.45.40 # k8to: He can't be bothered. 03.45.48 # He has more fun this way. 03.46.01 # Notice that his rational is "I'm a user, so I don't have to offer alternatives." 03.46.10 # He doesn't *have* to do anything but complain, so he doesn't. 03.46.25 # dongs: and if you feel the need to harp on it, tell affected users to tick the request 03.46.31 Nick scottder is now known as Lo_P (n=sdexter@ip70-188-142-96.ri.ri.cox.net) 03.46.35 Nick Lo_P is now known as Lo_Pan (n=sdexter@ip70-188-142-96.ri.ri.cox.net) 03.46.56 Nick Lo_Pan is now known as scottder (n=sdexter@ip70-188-142-96.ri.ri.cox.net) 03.47.04 # dongs: but whinging here just makes noise which has the possibility to damage rockbox communication 03.47.15 # so i recommend avoiding that unless it's your goal 03.49.52 # my goal is to have something that doesnt piss me off daily while im using it :) 03.50.32 # Then use the retail firmware. 03.50.48 # no, that pisses me off even more because itunes is a worthless piece of shit 03.51.09 # and I refuse to organize waht shitty music I have by album/artist/whatever 03.51.15 # Then stop using your iPod. 03.52.46 # i could, its not like i paid for it. 03.52.54 # i forgot about it for a week , and battery was dead. 03.53.01 # See, problem solved. 03.53.12 # And that way you can avoid the open source software that you so loathe. 03.54.38 # No kidding... 03.54.48 # write something better or quit yer belly-achin 03.55.49 # what is a transcode exactly 03.55.53 # * Febs observes that dongs has actually written two whole lines without using the words "fuck" or "shit." 03.55.58 # Must be a record 03.56.00 # isnt it going from one format to another 03.56.02 # false dichotomy! which is really too bad, since there is a pretty reasonable claim here: dongs you are being a git 03.56.08 # BigMac: yes. 03.56.12 # k 03.56.32 # BigMac: usually it refers to the data loss that occurs when going from one lossy format to another 03.56.41 # ah i see 03.56.42 # okay now i gotta get back to work. thank you for your input. 03.56.47 # i hope the fade pause thing gets fixed 03.57.28 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-52-158.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 03.57.41 # * ^jhMikeS^ is chuckling at this conversion. 03.57.52 # BigMac: for example, FLAC -> ogg is usually not talked about in terms of transcoding, even though it is a format change 03.58.09 # k8to: Most places I see, any format change is called a transcode, even lossless to lossless. 03.58.10 # BigMac: since it is not lossy to lossy, so there is no special set of artifacting problems 03.58.30 # So long as one of the formats is not uncompressed. 03.58.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: i think that's a fair usage of the term, but usually i see it associated with the lossy to lossy issue 03.58.53 # not uncompressed? :) 03.58.59 # if you want to be pedantic, "as long as one of the formats is not coded." 03.59.20 # how can i change tag info in xp 03.59.30 # * ^jhMikeS^ thinks all formats are technically coded. Maybe he is insane. 03.59.32 # I rip most stuff to flac....then transcode to ogg vorbis for my nano/rockbox 03.59.35 # right click - propertieas.. maube? 03.59.42 # ^jhMikeS^: agree 03.59.58 # <^jhMikeS^> k8to: With which part? :) 04.00.03 # scottder: do you do that on the fly, or keep both copies? 04.00.11 # ^jhMikeS^: the former 04.00.17 # scott:why rockbox can read flac, can't it 04.00.21 # ^jhMikeS^: i have no experience with the latter 04.00.27 # I keep both....flac for home listening... 04.00.28 # BigMac: you can not fit many .flac on one ipod nano 04.00.39 # oh 04.00.40 # I just use dbpoweramp in winders 04.00.44 # flac is large? 04.00.50 # Yes 04.00.50 # yes 04.00.57 # |------------- | 04.00.58 # that large 04.01.00 # lossless usually us 04.01.03 # but of better quality 04.01.04 # Mikachu: wow! 04.01.18 # for the settings I use, flac is around 3-5 times larger than ogg 04.01.19 # * scottder uses -q3 goo vorbis for on the go 04.01.35 # at that rate my 4Gb nano can hold a lot of music 04.01.39 # ogg...not goo 04.01.39 # :) 04.01.41 Quit Kohlriba ("Quit") 04.01.56 # what is the best quality type for ripping from a cd 04.02.11 # lossless is ....lossless 04.02.16 # EXACTLY like the CD 04.02.22 # BigMac: i'm not sure exactly what you mean. there are formats which lose no data, and thus store all the fidelity available on the CD 04.02.33 # BigMac: any lossless format keeps all the data 04.02.39 Quit enzyme () 04.02.40 # BigMac: FLAC is a popular such format 04.02.54 # (other examples, WAV, raw, monkey's audio (ape)) 04.02.59 # (shorten) 04.03.06 # (wav is a container) 04.03.09 # it compresses it without actually removing any of the audio data....loss codecs do 04.03.10 # so why would i want flac more then ape or vice versus 04.03.12 # ALAC, wavpack... 04.03.14 # okay, well i mean typical wav files (pcm) 04.03.30 # BigMac: software support 04.03.39 # difference in lossless codecs is small %'s of compress VS CPU to uncompress 04.03.55 # BigMac: flac is nice in that it is open and thus supported in a wide range of software and devices 04.04.00 # BigMac: as compared to APE 04.04.13 # ok for rockbox, which format would i want to use 04.04.14 # BigMac: i recommend FLAC over all other lossless formats 04.04.20 # on a 30 gb video pod 04.04.21 # I believe (and I can be wrong) APE gets SLIGHTLy better compression, but also at the cost of higher CPU to uncompress 04.04.32 # FLAC is very versatile and supported by Rockbox 04.04.34 # FLAC is almost definitely the best for Rockbox. 04.04.42 # ok 04.04.45 # I believe wavpack can achieve slightly smaller files. 04.04.46 # maybe not the best for battery life.... 04.04.52 # Rockbox on my iPod glitches on WavPack. 04.05.02 # But requires more CPU to decompress. I don't think anyone's tested whether the additional spinup here and there hurts more. 04.05.06 # but really....try a few different formats....you may be suprised.... 04.05.12 # BigMac: the tradeoff between things like FLAC and lossy formats such as musepack, ogg, mp3, and aac involve a variety of factors; cpu time, storage space, audio fidelity 04.05.30 # I'll probably convert them to FLAC because FLAC has better software support in general (as mentioned previously). 04.05.39 # so is the genral consesus for rockbox flac 04.05.43 # can you do strikethrough text in the wiki? 04.05.50 # Incidentally, I would refer to that conversion as transcoding. 04.06.11 # BigMac: the reason to NOT use flac is because if you use something else, you can put more music per space 04.06.24 # BigMac: so it is a tradeoff 04.06.42 # so does flac sound a lot better then ogg 04.06.44 # That assumes that you can hear a difference between FLAC and a lossy format. 04.06.44 # if you have infinite storage or little music, FLAC is a good bet 04.06.56 # BigMac, not necessarily. 04.07.03 # with HDs so cheap....I like lossless for home 04.07.03 # Febs: yes but then also there is the archival issue 04.07.15 # well isnt ogg smaller then flac? 04.07.19 # k8to, very true. I was talking about on the nano. 04.07.23 # BigMac: lossy formats such as ogg,mp3, aac have quality settings 04.07.29 # BigMac: Most people cannot hear the difference between FLAC and high quality encodes in good lossy formats. There's almost always a point after which a user can't hear the difference. 04.07.36 # i thought ogg wasnt lossy 04.07.42 # Ogg is lossy. 04.07.44 # BigMac: so you can set them to higher or lower quality. at their highest quality, most people cannot hear the difference between the original and the lossy version 04.07.46 # ogg is not a codec 04.07.50 # vorbis 04.07.55 # to be technical 04.07.56 # OK, Ogg Vorbis is lossy. 04.08.03 # i will be wearing the Annoying Hat tonight 04.08.07 # what is vorbis's extension? 04.08.07 # hehe 04.08.09 # .vbr? 04.08.12 # .ogg 04.08.13 # .ogg 04.08.18 # lol 04.08.29 # BigMac: if you are not an audiophile, you will probably not notice the quality loss for a high quality ogg encoding 04.08.40 # Does our software handle flacs with a .ogg extension yet? 04.08.46 # * scottder has no golden ears....Q3 oggs work for me most of the time 04.08.52 # the lossy codecs have come a ways.... 04.08.53 # BigMac: if you are an audiophile type person, musepack is supposed to be even higher quality, so maybe you would prefer that 04.09.09 # im far from an audiophile 04.09.18 # BigMac: then any lossy format will probably be fine 04.09.27 # and im not sure if i can even tell the difference between mp3 and ogg 04.09.29 # BigMac: so long as you choose a reasonable quality setting 04.09.39 # i dont rip my own cds 04.09.46 # encode some stuff at different bitrates....see what works for you is my suggestion 04.09.47 # i get most songs from friends 04.09.51 # BigMac: oh, then you don't have much of a choice about format! 04.09.57 # i dont have many cds 04.10.04 # i think i have one actual cd 04.10.10 # all others are mixs 04.10.13 # BigMac: if you are not creating the files, then just play them 04.10.17 # and don't worry about formats 04.10.28 # No conversion can *ever* improve quality. 04.10.32 # i would like to point out that converting from a lossy format such as vorbis to a lossless like flac will not give you better quality 04.10.36 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.10.46 # BigMac: unless your friends love you so much that you can order them to create new files for you in a different format etc 04.11.06 # indeed :) 04.11.17 # Mikachu: unless you feel that whooshy artifact sound is really the extra zing your music needed 04.11.21 # Mikachu: ;) 04.11.54 # ok ill just stick to mp3 then 04.12.51 # Paul_The_Nerd, on a different topic, I've started closing threads on the forum that don't relate in any way to Rockbox. 04.13.15 # I don't think that the Rockbox forums needs to be a place for general chat, as there are a million other forums that serve that purpose. 04.13.17 # do you think a wiki can work as a discussion forum for a large audience or is that just hopeless? 04.14.09 # I think that a wiki is a great tool for many things, but it is not well-suited to discussion. 04.14.14 # indeed 04.14.38 # Of course, the signal-to-noise ratio on a wiki discussion tends to be much higher than in discussions on the forums. 04.14.43 # Febs:Perhaps a Non rockbox discussion subforum 04.14.52 # Why do we need that? 04.15.16 # so then people can talk about no rockbox items... 04.15.26 # the reason to do it, i think, would be to encourage a 'community' to form on your forum thing 04.15.26 # maybe people like the members of the community 04.15.29 # Febs: I agree with that decision wholly. Until recently I'd been treating them with a "Stop that" but I think we've reached a population level where thread closures are better. Both non-Rockbox discussion, AND tech-support requests related to patched builds. 04.15.39 # (not that I am arguing for it) 04.15.50 # and if they went to another forum those people wouldnt be there 04.15.56 # Febs: Any problem with a patched build should be met with a closed thread, and a post stating that the question should either be asked on the thread for the build, or should be verified to happen in CVS and a new thread started. 04.16.25 # BigMac: The Rockbox forum isn't a community though. It's a tool. Support, and development. 04.16.29 # Paul_The_Nerd: is there a forum place for people to discuss patched build problems without them being explicitly support requests? 04.16.44 # BigMac: It's a community in the sense of "The community of people working on improving this" 04.16.58 # Right. If there are people who wouldn't be on the forum but for off-topic discussions, honestly, I don't think we need to have those people there. 04.17.07 # k8to: No. For patches in the tracker, problems with that patch should be posted to the tracker entry for it. 04.17.15 # k8to: Unofficial builds are frankly not our problem. 04.17.33 # well facilitating discussion isn't exactly the same as owning a problem 04.17.48 # but *shrug* you know way more about the issues than me 04.18.00 # yup 04.18.00 # The issue is that these unofficial builds are essentially Forks. 04.18.13 # And that many people don't even know or ever find out that they're unofficial 04.18.22 # i thought they were more of spoons paul... 04.18.27 # Other people hear about problems with the unofficial builds, or features, and think they're included in the real build. 04.18.50 Quit XavierGr () 04.19.01 # Paul_The_Nerd, I agree with you about unofficial builds only to a point. I don't feel a need to provide tech support for users of patched builds. But I don't want to discourage discussion of the patches themselves. 04.19.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: i guess i would say consider an area for discussion of "problems with unofficial builds and patches" since tsaid patches might get included in the future etc 04.19.21 # Febs: Discussion of the patches is different from discussion of the patched build. 04.19.28 # there are a variety of .. social reasons for and against such 04.19.43 # Febs: For example, jblackglass includes many patches not even on the tracker. It also has so many patches that it's impossible to pin down which causes a given error. 04.20.00 # k8to: As I said, the patch tracker has a means for commenting on patches already. 04.20.18 # yes, which is neither here nor there 04.20.23 # How so? 04.20.34 # If you can't figure out which patch in a build causes the problem, report to the build author 04.20.41 # If you know which patch causes the problem, report to the patch author. 04.20.46 # Is there a third situation I don't know of? 04.21.02 # Gotta run. I'm glad we're in agreement on the issue of non-Rockbox threads. 04.21.18 # Cya Febs 04.21.19 Quit Febs () 04.21.27 # sometimes user to user discussion is useful, even in the absence of build or patch specificity knowledge 04.21.48 # I don't even know what you meant by that statement... 04.22.04 # Threads can be started for individual patches. 04.22.10 # People can discuss the function of said individual patch. 04.22.29 # i'm done suggesting things, they were just food for thought 04.22.36 # Well I'm not even sure what you're suggesting... 04.22.46 # yeah and i don't think it's worth going over anymore 04.23.23 Join scott666_ [0] (n=scott666@c-71-195-12-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.23.24 # The way I see it, discussion of patches should be limited to the single thread on that patch, so a patch author doesn't have to seek fifty locations of people commenting on their patch. 04.23.36 # it's tricky 04.23.48 # you really want any and all problems with a patch to end up in the patch page 04.23.59 # but not all discussion starts out patch specific 04.24.19 # People are free to discuss Rockbox ideas and bugs all they want. 04.25.14 Part scott666_ 04.26.06 # are the patches not in the tracker not there due to laziness or a lack of knowledge or a desire to have some kind of independence by some developers, do you think? 04.26.18 # or otherwise? just curious 04.26.27 # since that sounds like a super reasonable desire 04.26.42 # He feels they're not likely to be included in CVS (which is true since they override existing behaviour without options). 04.26.56 # His patches just change the behaviour of the status bar so that it fits his themes. 04.27.07 # oh you're talking about some specific unclean work? 04.27.14 # who is this he and his 04.27.21 # I'm talking about any instance of an author being unwilling to include his patch in the tracker. 04.27.37 # If a patch is at the tracker, it will always be available for users to improve upon, or integrate in their own builds or not as they see fit. 04.27.43 # If it's privately hosted they can take it down at any time. 04.27.58 # This is why I'm against having any WPSes in the gallery that use non-tracker patches. 04.28.16 # sad 04.28.43 # This is also why I'm against discussion of custom builds outside their thread. In many, if not all, cases, small changes have been made to the patches to get them to work together. 04.29.05 # Which means almost every custom build has modifications that would not be there for user using just one of the patches. 04.31.19 # i wonder if there's any special property of rockbox that is encouraging divergent development that does not apply to other open projects 04.31.33 # People like pretty. 04.31.47 # yeah i'd be tempted to blame the skin people too 04.31.49 # Specifically, it happened with Album Art. 04.32.01 # When the Album Art first became available, the custom build trend started. 04.32.12 # Because even now the patch isn't acceptable for CVS I believe. 04.32.21 # well 04.32.30 # in the long run they'll have to track the main 04.32.34 # But nearly every custom build stems with the desire to use WPSes not supported in the current one, or in a few cases games. 04.32.41 # maybe they will get tired of making it work and merge it properly or stop 04.33.47 # Either way, the forums are for discussing Rockbox. From my perspective people discussing Jbuild outside the Jbuild thread are like Debian users going into a RedHat support and development forum, and chatting about their breed of linux. 04.34.18 Join scott666 [0] (n=scott666@c-71-195-12-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.34.21 # Kids now-a-days and there custom builds....standard CVS build is good enough for me 04.34.23 Part scott666 04.34.24 # :) 04.34.27 # In most cases the person making the custom build isn't even the author of any of the patches (or in some cases one or two) and has just compiled them together. 04.34.28 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.34.34 Part barrywardell 04.36.09 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 04.37.00 Quit ^jhMikeS^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.38.03 # my build is the coolest 04.38.15 # I'm quite fond of mine. 04.38.31 # Actually, my build has no patches any more, just small changes I've made. 04.39.25 # no patches, honest! just *cough* changes 04.40.34 # People using patches is a good thing. 04.40.50 # People not knowing the real features of Rockbox at all, and having no idea what patches they're using, not so much. 04.41.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.42.03 Join tokyo-ahead [0] (n=Oliver@n219073049111.netvigator.com) 04.42.20 # hi all... is there a rss-feed about news for rockbox? 04.42.27 # could not find one on the site 04.43.15 # nope, there isn't... 04.43.41 # the cvs activity is the closest we have 04.44.56 # The news doesn't change very often. 04.45.05 # The CVS mailing list can be subscribed to, though. 04.45.07 # the wiki has an RSS 04.45.14 # which might or might not be interesting to you 04.45.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebRss 04.45.47 # i track some projects that way 04.45.48 Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-117.kotinet.com) 04.46.01 # ok thanks 04.57.46 Quit cismo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.03.15 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB03A75.ipt.aol.com) 05.03.17 Join bow-viper [0] (n=apesgame@66-169-178-166.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 05.04.52 Part tokyo-ahead 05.08.36 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.97) 05.08.45 # hi 05.09.22 # I have problem.... http://www.ihuf.net/board/icon/member_image_box/454/cygwin.JPG 05.09.24 # what's mean? 05.10.03 Quit bow-viper () 05.10.03 # Jungti1234: It means the patch can't be installed. 05.10.12 # why happend.. 05.10.25 # It may be old? 05.10.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 05.10.31 # that patch was meant to be applied against code in a different state than your code 05.10.46 # ie. a different version as paul says, or possibly you have applied multiple incompatable patches? 05.10.49 # the patch isn't up to date with cvs or conflicts with another patch you have installed 05.11.34 # but julius patch succeed. 05.11.40 # ok 05.12.25 # if you are a developer you could manually review the changes the patch makes vs the code 05.12.55 # however, i doubt you are, so you should either: a) not use that patch, or b) figure out what that patch wants to apply against and use that 05.13.47 # Do I change it manually? 05.14.05 # then, can I use it? 05.14.31 # ??? 05.14.33 # step 1) are you a developer? 05.14.42 # If yes) fix it yourself 05.14.43 # hehe, no. 05.14.47 # Or C programmer, at least. 05.14.47 # ok. 05.14.48 # If no) do not use that patch 05.14.59 # okok.. I will fix it myself. 05.16.24 # whenever you apply a patch to a source base, there is no guarantee it will work 05.17.20 # if you apply it to the exact codebase that it was written for, it should work. if you use a different (older or newer) version, or if you apply any other patches also, it can break 05.17.33 # if you get these kinds of errors, that means it is breaking. 05.17.40 # if you do not get these kinds of errors, it might still break 05.18.56 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.24.07 # thanks k8to 05.24.42 # i don't think i was much help, but you're welcome 05.41.48 Join dropandho [0] (n=dropandh@cpe-24-193-36-91.nyc.res.rr.com) 05.42.32 # hey all! 05.42.43 # anyone happen to use the shure ec with their iriver? 05.44.41 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 05.44.49 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 05.51.18 Quit grimman ("-=[ ReaperScript ]=-") 05.54.55 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 05.57.04 Join enzyme [0] (n=dave_o@207.148.178.122) 06.01.51 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 06.01.59 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.200.85.dynamic.barak-online.net) 06.16.56 # hi 06.18.01 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.18.19 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181077196.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.29.10 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzZZ#%^$^") 06.34.52 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 06.38.56 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 06.42.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.43.00 # grrrr!!!! bloody pointers :'( 06.43.05 # * JdGordon is stuck 06.51.21 Quit dropandho () 06.53.45 # anyone know any good m3u playlist makers for windows 06.54.08 Join RaiderX [0] (n=iPwn@71.196.36.53) 06.54.14 # Well, Winamp and Foobar2000 are by far the most popular programs that can create them. 06.54.31 # If you're particularly oldschool you could go with EDIT, thought that might take a while. 06.55.00 # does wmp12 make m3u playlists? 06.55.30 # We probably won't know that for a year or two yet. 06.55.32 # hey in the patches list where you can download plugins and stuff, peopel upload many files for each plugin, I only need the .rock file right? the rest is just source liek the .c files? like in this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2272 06.56.04 # RaiderX: Usually you need the source. The .rock may be outdated, or compiled for a different MP3 player, or both. 06.56.25 # so i would need to recompile it? 06.56.44 # Yes 06.56.51 # do i need liek the rockbox sdk? 06.56.53 # m3u is a pretty straightforward format 06.57.09 # i would probably write a script to create m3us if i needed such 06.57.14 # RaiderX: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling page in the wiki. 06.57.20 # ok thx 06.57.39 # it is just a textfile with a list of files plus some optional junk 06.57.45 # is applyign patches in the wiki? 06.58.07 # any one here use the philips az1835 stereo 06.58.56 # bye 06.58.57 Quit Jungti1234 () 07.05.03 # paul:do i just select the m3u and it plays it? 07.07.09 # it works!!!!!!!! 07.07.30 # BigMac: try it and see... 07.07.57 # oh i did 07.08.18 # and i think ill make one more playlist then im off to bed 07.14.16 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.14.31 # Afternoon all 07.16.54 # hey aliask 07.17.07 # Whats new Jd? 07.17.41 # nm 07.17.57 # * midgey34 posts another plugin on the tracker 07.20.51 # Ooh Ti83 games, did you port it or just take the idea? 07.21.18 # took the idea, I don't think the source is available 07.21.28 # and I think its written in asm 07.26.19 Quit eGen_ ("mýdlo končí ! ... ručník končí !") 07.26.21 # Damn, I was just looking for Phoenix - it's open sourced but its all Ti83 ASM... 07.26.34 # I loved that game 07.26.51 # I'm pretty sure I'm failing maths methods this year because of it 07.27.48 # my friend and I had tournaments in class with that, tetris, pacman, and baseball 07.27.50 # good times 07.28.16 # hehe...i remember that game 07.28.41 # gold phoenix was the best incarnation of it...much harder 07.29.06 # I remember trying to make my own level pack and failing miserably 07.29.22 # cept i NEVER figured out what the "bonus" of the end score was... 07.29.52 # any one here use the philips az1835 stereo 07.30.09 # I haven't played in a while, did it have to do with how long it took you? 07.30.55 # WELL..THERE WAS "TIME" 07.30.57 # bah 07.31.05 # like i said..i have no idea 07.31.13 # how do i add an attachment to the wiki? 07.31.32 # I think you can't. 07.31.44 # The whole wiki hack attack thing 07.31.45 # must be able to... the wps galley does that 07.32.08 # ah, its on the main page, not the edit page 07.37.13 # morning 07.37.39 # JdGordon: any progress ? ;) 07.37.47 # morning 07.38.11 # ye, a bit, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonActionIdea 07.38.24 # just uploaded the WIP patch to that 07.39.25 # WIP? 07.39.33 # work in progress 07.39.49 # hehe ok 07.40.35 # ok question 07.40.55 # what could cause my mp3s to be skipping alot 07.41.05 # they worked fine a little while ago 07.41.19 # could an eq preset be causing it 07.41.25 # yes 07.42.59 # ipods still are very optimized yet, so decoding is barely fullspeed on some codecs (and less than fullspeed on others). By turning on an EQ, you make the cpu work harder and it can't decode in realtime, therefore, you get skips occasionally. 07.43.17 # s/are/aren't 07.44.34 # does flac play better then mp3 on an ipod 07.44.40 # since it is better quality 07.44.42 # I don't know 07.44.48 # oh 07.44.59 # JdGordon: is your idea going to be extended to plugins as well or just the core? 07.45.12 # midgey34: to plugins as well 07.45.26 # quite the task 07.45.33 # i tihnk linuxstb reckons the best way for that is adding plugin contexts to the plugin lib 07.45.42 # ye, but it doesnt have to be done in 1 hit 07.45.56 # true 07.46.22 Quit joshua_ ("User disconnected") 07.47.03 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 07.47.14 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 07.47.14 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 07.47.26 # jd:can you explain what the button thing does? 07.47.32 # well, looking at the patch, it does seem to simplify the code quite a bit. much more readable 07.47.48 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.47.52 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 07.47.54 # BigMac: bassically makes the code much more managable 07.48.04 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.49.00 Quit crwl (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.49.00 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.49.00 Quit slarti (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.49.00 Quit pill (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.49.00 Quit Caliban (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.49.00 Quit Hadaka (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.49.59 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks 07.50.14 # oh 07.50.21 # any objections/corrections/additions ? :) 07.50.32 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.50.32 NJoin pill [0] (i=pill@loves.voltshells.com) 07.50.56 # is that admin/devs 07.51.09 # i pity the fool who doesn't include desrt in their list 07.51.21 NJoin slarti [0] (i=slarti@gentoo/developer/slarti) 07.52.00 NJoin crwl [0] (n=crawlie@kek-kone.kekkola.jyu.fi) 07.52.57 # Bg3r: do you want our time zones? 07.53.19 # if you don't object to add them ... 07.53.20 # Bg3r: JdGordon has the lease on it >_> 07.53.58 # yep, i felt it :D 07.54.03 # * JdGordon gives up, stupid thing would add my name properly :p 07.54.21 # give up your lease too! =P 07.54.27 # i did 07.54.29 # * scorche cheers 07.55.36 # Should I put GMT-5 or GMT-6? 07.55.47 # you're central right? 07.55.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: u should know better than us :P 07.55.59 # hehe 07.56.03 # Well it's not constant. 07.56.13 # put the non-daylight version 07.56.14 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 07.56.15 # Because we can't bloody just wake up an hour earlier, we have to call it a different time too, for no apparent reason. 07.56.17 # yep 07.56.18 # ie: winter offset 07.56.22 # hmpf 07.56.25 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 07.56.25 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 07.56.32 # morning, amiconn 07.56.35 # timezone is just an approximate mechanism to let people know when you might be awake 07.56.37 # morning 07.56.39 # so it doesn't have to be perfect 07.56.56 # Oh, then I may as well not fill mine in. 07.57.11 # My availability is fairly close to random anyway 07.57.29 # paul: your near alwaysss here 07.57.52 # BigMac: type paul and then hit your tab button 07.58.33 NJoin Caliban [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 07.58.33 NJoin Hadaka [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 07.58.52 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 08.01.26 # JdGordon: In your patch, all of the keydefs will be in keymaps/*insert_target*.c? 08.02.03 Join joshua_ [0] (i=joshua@c-24-60-144-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 08.02.07 # ye, the values they return are in action.h tho 08.02.10 # * JdGordon back in 15 08.02.35 # wow 08.02.38 # neato 08.02.43 # thank you scorche 08.03.10 # what is a dynamic playlist 08.04.12 # a playlist that is dynamic 08.04.32 # thanks captain points out the obvious 08.04.42 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 08.04.42 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 08.05.17 # i guess everyone is sleeping so im off to bed 08.08.50 # a playlist that is dynamically generated? 08.08.57 # most played songs, etc 08.09.40 # BigMac's true colors showed themselves :o 08.09.54 # * JdGordon back 08.12.06 # Hmm, drawing shifted native bitmaps is a bit tricky with the weird x5 remote bitmap format 08.12.36 # scorche: GMT-7 is with Daylight Saving, yep? 08.14.13 # The timezone name should tell you 08.15.29 # no 08.15.47 # i travel back and forth between utah and california 08.16.08 # HCl is GMT+1, yep ? 08.16.34 # Not atm 08.16.52 # Netherlands is MET/MDT, as is germany 08.16.55 # it doesnt really matter if its out by +-1 hour.. 08.16.59 # So GMT+2 in summer 08.17.04 # heh 08.17.17 # you should put a note so everyone puts the winter time in 08.17.18 # i'm not GMT+2 atm too (but GMT+3) 08.17.34 Part Paul_The_Nerd 08.18.34 # Slasheri is also GMT+1 ? 08.19.22 # * JdGordon and ashrida are gmt+10... we wins :D 08.19.40 # Bg3r: No, Finland is the same timezone as you 08.19.41 # ok, someone explain how i compile a plugin for an ipod 08.19.46 # GMT+10 ftw 08.20.00 # such as this etchasketch plugin: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2272 08.20.42 # Bg3r: UTC+2 (but +3 now at summer time) 08.20.46 # I think rotator is GMT -6 08.21.30 Join grimman [0] (i=sco@h208n1fls35o916.telia.com) 08.21.41 Join eGen_ [0] (i=generat0@boserver.mudecin.cz) 08.22.06 # huh 08.23.14 # eli_sherer is +3 i belive (if someone is still editing it) 08.28.33 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.29.08 # * midgey34 kicks misticriver 08.30.01 # * JdGordon steals misticriver's wallet while he is down 08.30.04 # LinusN, Bagder: the "shortcuts" for the icons doesn't work (at least %W% doesn't) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocGraphics 08.30.22 # yeah, i noticed that too 08.30.35 # %Y% works fine 08.30.47 # morning LinusN 08.31.51 # morning LinusN 08.31.53 # LinusN: Build hanging again since last night :( 08.32.02 # Bg3r: what do you want as the %W% icon? 08.32.21 # * amiconn hates hanging builds with no admin around :/ 08.32.27 # amiconn: me too 08.32.40 # warning.gif Warning, important %W%, %ICON{warning}% 08.33.11 # LinusN: Btw, x5 remote drawing is in the works, but not yet finished 08.33.49 # amiconn: nice 08.33.57 # I also have a lot of pending changes in other lcd drivers... mostly related to consistency 08.34.24 # * amiconn notices his laptop sound stopped working :( 08.34.54 # That rarely happens, but requires a reboot to fix 08.34.55 # Bg3r: try now 08.35.50 # LinusN: Drawing a shifted native bitmap is a bit tricky due to the weird data format (but not unsolvable; I already have an idea) 08.36.02 # works ....... 08.36.03 # amiconn: figures 08.36.07 # fscking firefox 08.36.09 # Bg3r: goodie 08.36.44 # cna someone tell me how to compile plugins for 5G ipods? 08.36.50 # bmp2rb needs to be extended as well 08.36.55 # or link meh to the wiki for it cuz I cant find it :/ 08.36.55 # (of course) 08.37.38 # RaiderX: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins 08.38.05 # thanks 08.40.05 # ok, i dont want to write the plugins, i just need to compile the ones that other users have uploaded :/ is that what that page si for? 08.41.24 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 08.42.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.43.39 # LinusN: lcd-remote-x5.c needs to implement lcd_remote_update_rect() and lcd_remote_update() 08.43.53 # yes 08.44.07 # Note that fb_remote_data for the x5 remote is short (!) 08.44.22 # do you want the frame buffer in the native format? 08.44.31 # Yes, as always 08.44.44 # I'll add simulator support 08.45.00 # A scan of the x5 remote would be nice to have for tat.... 08.45.03 # *that 08.47.48 Quit midgey34 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.49.39 # is there any plans to put the sim screen over the target bmp like it used to be? 08.49.53 # amiconn: was unable to do that yday, will try today 08.50.08 # JdGordon: it's still there 08.50.20 # Hmmm, accidently washed my X5 remote in the washing machine, and now I don't know if it's my remote display or the RB X5 remote support that's broken :) 08.50.31 # the bmps are still there, but it doesnt show it.. or is it just me? 08.50.54 # JdGordon: Start the sim with --background 08.51.13 # * amiconn still wonders why this isn't the default anymore 08.51.15 # oh cool 08.51.47 # i'm very happy with the default 08.52.02 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 08.52.02 # ravon: RB doesn't support the X5 remote yet, but will soon 08.52.32 # Sweet. 08.52.34 # amiconn: Thanks 08.54.05 # * amiconn hopes to finisuh the drawing routines tonight 08.54.36 # amiconn: i was thinking about the lcd drivers yesterday, and i came to the conclusion that the frame buffer should perhaps be in the lcd-x5.c file 08.54.39 # LinusN: The build is still hanging... 08.54.59 # No, the frame buffer isn't hardware dependent 08.55.35 # It will be used both for target and sim (and perhaps other remotes with the same framebuffer format, and same or different resolution) 08.56.00 # amiconn: no, it's not hanging, but it won 08.56.05 # t show until the next build 08.56.18 # amiconn: ok 08.56.33 Part RaiderX 08.56.33 Join RaiderX [0] (n=iPwn@71.196.36.53) 08.57.41 # LinusN: I think lcd-h100.c, and lcd-recorder.c are in relatively easy to spilt in the generic and target parts, but lcd-h100-remote.c is tricky... 08.58.13 # can any patch be applied to rockbox for ipods? or only the ones specified for ipods? 08.58.16 # like this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5535 08.58.33 # lcd-h100-remote.c uses the scroll thread both for generic tasks (i.e. scrolling) and hardware specific tasks (hot-plug lcd init) 08.59.17 # * amiconn has no idea how to split that in a clean way, without inventing just another thread 08.59.27 # s/just/yet/ 08.59.41 # amiconn: i guess the target tree driver should export a detection function which is called by the scroll thread 09.00.05 # pls help? 09.00.10 # RaiderX: try it 09.00.40 # RaiderX: but chances are that the game isn't adapted for the screen resolution and the buttons 09.00.42 # well i dont wanan go through all the trouble if its not gonna work :x 09.00.47 # LinusN: The detection is done in a tick, but the tick must not init directly. It sends a message to a private queue... 09.00.52 # the buttons is what i was thinking 09.00.57 # but it only uses one buttons, select 09.01.02 # and maybe 09.01.05 # *so 09.01.19 # RaiderX: just try it 09.01.22 # ok 09.01.44 # lcd-remote-x5.c does not yet do hot-plug detection afaics 09.01.47 # and post your findings in a patch comment 09.01.57 # amiconn: no it doesn't 09.02.04 # (and the spi driver looks like teh slowness) 09.02.35 # amiconn: yes it is slow, but i didn't want to use the asm version until i knew it worked 09.02.49 # Ok 09.03.14 # asm spi is on my todo list 09.03.42 # Iiuc the 4-gray tomato can go even faster than the monochrome one in the iriver remote 09.04.05 # seems so yes 09.04.31 # Maybe you can use the fast version for all clocks (if the wires allow it) 09.05.03 # hopefully 09.06.00 # would be cool if the asm spi stuff could be reused without copying the code 09.06.56 # I don't think that will be possible 09.07.16 # The various bits are probably on different ports 09.07.32 # that can be solved with #define 09.08.11 # an spi-remote.c file which includes lcd-remote-target.h 09.08.25 # which has the #define 09.08.32 # for the ports and pins 09.08.36 # Hopefully there is no ticking, so you don't need a number of other special measures 09.08.42 # true 09.09.33 # Quiescing /CS can't hurt though 09.11.30 # true again 09.14.55 # away now... 09.16.49 Join mikearthur_ [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 09.17.29 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006071912]") 09.19.36 # just got my koss porta pros, that is some bass, jesus 09.19.45 # maybe a little too much 09.26.48 Part RaiderX 09.27.46 Join pleXa [0] (n=perplexa@62.153.151.130) 09.36.00 # no such thing as too much bass! 09.37.52 # hehe 09.38.33 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.39.40 Quit pleXa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.39.55 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 09.41.21 Quit perpleXa (Connection timed out) 09.41.23 # JdGordon: see your wiki idea 09.41.58 # i saw it a min ago, unless youve added another comment? 09.42.23 # im not sure if logfing it is the best way to go? 09.43.31 # well, this "unknown button [combo]" shouldn't map to a known action, therefore we return ACTION_NONE 09.44.03 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 09.46.18 # also, what happened with STD_NEXT_REPEAT ? 09.46.22 # etc 09.47.07 # LinusN: imho this %CODE{cpp}% thingy shouldn't put a border 09.47.17 # do we really need a _REPEAT for every action? 09.47.30 # Bg3r: why not? 09.48.09 # LinusN: imho it would look better... 09.48.59 # JdGordon: currently it's used for not overlapping in the lists when holding the prev/next button, also in the setting's value 09.49.02 # s 09.49.06 # * JdGordon has implemented this action stuff in about 50% of the code and is sick of it :D 09.49.40 # Bg3r: ah yes, we can fix that with a context define then, so we dont have 2 cases in every swicth 09.49.54 # Bg3r: i think it looks good on larger code snippets, but maybe not on the ButtonActionIdea page 09.51.25 # LinusN: i think it divides the code from the surrounding text too much 09.51.36 # gah! youve mangled my wiki page :D 09.51.42 # JdGordon: what do you mean? 09.52.07 # the code... (i was being silly) 09.52.10 # (that was regarding your previous message) 09.53.05 # oh 09.54.31 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-103-68.dslaccess.co.uk) 09.55.13 # OH! thats what gui_synclist_limit_scroll(lists, false); is for.. ok 09.55.31 # :P 09.57.23 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45586.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.57.55 # done 09.58.52 Quit perpleXa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.00.41 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 10.03.14 # Bg3r: better now? 10.03.17 # yep 10.03.21 # just to say it :) 10.04.00 Join pleXa [0] (n=perplexa@62.153.151.131) 10.04.12 Quit perpleXa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.06.52 # :'( this patch is getting massive 10.08.13 # cvs server down? 10.08.48 # no 10.09.16 # taking ages to start doing the diff 10.09.20 # but the server has a very high load atm, i'm investigating 10.09.25 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.181.209) 10.09.28 # ok, ill cancel it then 10.09.38 # no, it just finished really qiuckly :D 10.18.19 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.97) 10.21.45 # woot!!! size comparison on h300 with the patch 40-50% complete... 80bytes smaller! 10.22.06 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 10.23.23 # haha. congrats. 10.27.20 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.27.34 Quit mikearthur_ ("Konversation terminated!") 10.38.17 Quit merbanan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.38.20 Join merbanan [0] (i=banan@farmer.campus.luth.se) 10.39.12 Part Paul_The_Nerd 10.42.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.49.24 # JdGordon: hehehe ;) 10.49.30 Quit desrt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.49.52 # hi Bg3r 10.50.17 # hi ;) 10.50.24 # hehe 10.50.32 # long time no see.. 10.50.53 Quit BigMac (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.52.10 # yeah, busy lately 10.53.02 Join theli_ua [0] (n=aromanob@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 10.53.26 Quit barrywardell () 10.55.15 Quit Jungti1234 () 10.56.07 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.97) 10.56.32 # inline int do_button_check(struct button_mapping *items, int button, int last_button, int *start) 10.56.47 # JdGordon: does this _really_ need to be inline ? 10.56.57 # in fact, does the compiler make it inline ? 10.57.35 # Bg3r: i dunno, i just split it out because its there 3 times, and im working on the assumption inlined code works faster than a funciotn call 10.57.53 # this is a big func 10.57.56 # youd have to check the .a to actually see if its inlined 11.00.19 # i think u should return the raw value only if it's a SYS_ event 11.01.27 # it definatly is inlined... i removed the inline and the size shrunk 118bytes 11.01.36 # more ? 11.01.47 # ye 11.01.58 # so, 200 bytes less ? 11.02.05 # thanx cvs, ye 11.02.16 # but will the removing the inline slow it down? 11.02.24 # i doubt it :) 11.02.37 # it isn't called _so_ often 11.04.00 # it can be called up to 4 times per press 11.05.13 # and button press is checked HZ times/sec 11.07.35 # ... i guess we can benchmark it, but no point just yet 11.07.51 # JdGordon: where can i view the patch? 11.08.13 # the wiki page has the latest 11.08.33 # is CONFIG_REMOTE_KEYPAD defined for targets without a remote? 11.10.05 # it shouldn't be 11.11.41 # i guess that will probaly be got rid of anyway, so ill check against BUTTON_REMOTE instead 11.14.09 # Bg3r: as long as do_button_check() isn't called by the button driver, we should be fine 11.14.21 # yep 11.16.13 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-136-189.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.19.13 # JdGordon: i must say that this looks promising 11.19.40 # :) thats what i like to hear 11.19.45 # yeah 11.19.56 Nick pleXa is now known as perpleXa (n=perplexa@62.153.151.131) 11.20.10 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 11.20.17 # i'd like to see the keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c file 11.20.27 # sure, 1 min 11.20.51 # do_button_check will be called 2 times at most (3 on remote targets) 11.22.34 # LinusN: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/ has the patch and the .c 11.23.54 # and action.c also 11.24.48 # somehow i feel that get_context_mapping() could be omitted 11.25.03 # but maybe it simplifies the handling of the remote buttons? 11.26.12 # JdGordon: 11.26.14 # what about 11.26.52 # LinusN: ye, it makes remotes simpler 11.27.19 # not having additional context per remote, but just having the remote buttons at the end and changing them with remote plugging/unplugging ? 11.27.22 # as well as the rest of the keys 11.27.56 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 11.28.14 # Bg3r: i thought about that, but how do you know where the end of the list is? and how many to change? also the remote context lists are only checked if the button was from the remote 11.28.24 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 11.28.49 # hm.. 11.28.53 # look @ action.c the link above, ive added a bit of comments which might help 11.29.44 # JdGordon: you know where the end of the list is the same way u know now ... 11.29.48 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@p54AEEB10.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.31.08 Quit perpleXa (Client Quit) 11.31.37 # well hang on... whats the point? if we need to define which gets changed to which anyway, doesnt it make sense to just define it and not have to worry about changin the values at runtime (instead just change one value)? 11.31.44 # that may not have made sense 11.31.58 # in fact u're right;) 11.32.32 # :) 11.35.34 # just a cosmetic thing 11.35.58 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 11.36.23 # isn't more logical the struct members to be in the following seq 11.36.36 # { Button code, Prereq button code, Action Code } 11.37.25 # * Bg3r shuts up :-[ 11.38.41 # Bg3r: actually i tinhk it should be action code, button code then pre-req but im too lazy to change it now :p 11.38.53 # or that, yep 11.44.12 # LinusN: what do you mean by "Currently, Rockbox can't handle unicoded file names in the file API" 11.44.22 # :'( i broke it 11.44.31 # JdGordon: ? 11.44.51 # i hope u don't mean the player! 11.45.17 # hehe no, just the action.c code 11.45.25 # heh, then it's ok :P 11.45.35 # markun: the file i/o functions only take 8-bit file names 11.45.58 # int open(const char* pathname, int flags) 11.46.41 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.181.209) 11.47.47 # JdGordon: am ... 11.48.00 # markun: gah, maybe i'm wrong 11.48.12 # Bg3r: ? 11.48.16 # if ((timeout == TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK) || (timeout == TIMEOUT_BLOCK)) 11.48.19 # button = button_get(timeout); 11.48.19 # else button = button_get_w_tmo(timeout); 11.48.19 # if (button == ACTION_UNKNOWN 11.48.55 # ye, that was my bad, should be BUTTON_NONE, fixed that 11.48.59 # so, the returned value of button_get[_w_tmo] .. 11.49.03 # :) 11.49.03 # markun: i forgot that we supported utf-8 11.49.07 # :) 11.49.13 # That's what I thought 11.49.59 # still, i'm curious about the fat_direntry size 11.52.08 # hmmm, i remember having this discussion a long time ago 11.52.43 # and we decided to keep the name[256] to keep memory usage down 11.53.21 # stupid uninitialized variables!! isnt gcc upposed to warn against them? 11.54.00 # it depends if it can detect it or not 11.54.24 Quit `3nergy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.55.59 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp44-247.adsl.forthnet.gr) 11.56.16 # sweet, it resumes the wps on startup correctly now :) last thing to figure out is why the remote buttons dont work 11.56.29 Quit theli_ua ("Leaving") 11.56.32 # hehe 11.56.37 # im such a dill! 11.56.45 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 11.56.49 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@cor6-ppp650.for.dsl.connect.net.au) 11.56.53 # checking ret&BUTTON_REMOTE is fairly useless :p 11.56.57 # :P 11.57.00 Join theli_ua [0] (n=aromanob@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 11.58.09 # it works!!! the whole thing works! 11.58.23 # halleluja 11.58.27 # contectual buttons, remotes, the whole bang lot! 11.58.36 # :P 11.58.39 # way to go! 11.58.45 # LinusN: I have been working on getting the H10 target up and running 11.58.49 # JdGordon: upload the working version :) 11.59.07 # * LinusN does the button action dance 11.59.13 # but am wondering about the whole target vs #ifdef thing 11.59.17 # barrywardell: goodie 11.59.32 # barrywardell: i'm not surprised 11.59.44 # am I best to try to keep everything in it's own dir in target? 12.00.42 # the goal is to avoid conditional compilation in the firmware code, and have the target specific stuff in the target tree 12.00.53 # It seems like the iAudio is half way there 12.01.00 # kind of a HAL/BSP style concept 12.01.15 # but still has some conditional stuff eg. in button.c 12.01.41 # the target way seems much cleaner and easier to figure out what's going on 12.01.47 # yes, the iaudio is not complete, button.c and ata.c are some examples 12.02.13 # ata.c is an example where some functions could be in the coldfire/ dir 12.03.26 # i was thinking that. They were the two that I had come across. 12.04.19 # I was planning on just adding #ifndef TARGET_TREE to those for the H10 but am worried that that might break the iAudio code 12.05.03 # i'm moving the iaudio button stuff now 12.06.19 # ok, great. so I should try to use target tree for everything H10 specific then? 12.06.40 # yes, please 12.08.02 # what about the #defines in button.h? 12.10.56 # they go in iriver/h10/button-target.h 12.11.06 # hang on for the x5 example, will commit soonish 12.11.15 # hmm... i did cvsdo add on the keymaps folder and the files inside it but tis still not in the cvs diff? 12.11.50 # cvs diff -uN? 12.12.47 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 12.13.10 # LinusN: thanks. I'll look out for it and use it as a reference 12.13.16 # LinusN: yes 12.13.34 # JdGordon: odd 12.13.51 # (i don't use cvsdo myself, so i don't know what could be wrong) 12.13.55 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 12.14.14 # LinusN: yes, i dont have any other choice :p 12.14.35 # diff -u3 /dev/null apps/mynewfile.c >> mypatch.diff 12.15.07 # ok, thanks 12.18.41 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.20.07 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 12.23.07 # ok, the proper patch is on the wiki now 12.24.02 Quit Jungti1234 () 12.24.46 # JdGordon: really, i don't think you should return the raw value .. 12.25.09 # i changed it.. it returns ACTION_UNKNOWN 12.25.35 # k ;) 12.25.48 # or the SYS_* part 12.26.28 # ye, or SYS_* or BUTTON_NONE (ACTION_NONE) 12.26.52 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@p54B7DAB3.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.27.36 # how does the ipod scrolling work in the lists? does it stop you at the end of the list like holding down on iriver does? 12.27.59 # Yes 12.28.22 # k 12.29.01 # It stops for a second, then continues though 12.29.05 # You don't have to release / stop scrolling 12.33.24 # yes you do.. 12.33.50 # your finger might run off the wheel slightly causing it to detect a stop/restart of scrolling but it won't wrap until such an event occurs. 12.34.09 # ok good, because thats how it will be after this patch :D 12.34.12 # it's actually quite easy to fool it that way.. 12.34.12 # haha. 12.34.15 # :) 12.35.45 # ipod keymaps has been added to the wiki (untested, needs work) 12.37.18 Join Solent_Light [0] (n=Solent_L@82.26.132.55) 12.37.50 Part Solent_Light ("Left Channel") 12.40.19 # midkay: Odd, as apparently my finger slips a constant 1 second after reaching the end of the list every time then... 12.40.35 # subconsiously probably... 12.40.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: indeed. it doesn't take long for rockbox to detect a finger release.. 12.41.02 # could quite possibly be a small glitch or maybe it's just too sensitive.. 12.41.07 # gah. everytime i type 'rocks' i type 'rockbox' 12.41.14 # Hehehe 12.41.51 # i think my subconscious is telling me something... 12.41.54 # sharpe: that's happened to me too. 12.42.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.42.17 # in fact, several times when i'm typing my last name (roberts) i start typing rockbox instead. 12.42.24 # i just did it THERE when i typed my last name even. 12.42.28 # haha 12.42.32 # I can't write words that start with i without capitalizing the second letter. 12.42.35 # r o c [backspace] b ... 12.42.35 # :) 12.42.38 # iNconsiderate, iHop, etc. 12.42.43 # haha. 12.42.59 # iHop. that's nice. 12.43.03 # they should change their name. 12.43.09 # i hop! 12.43.22 # i hope! 12.43.54 # iLl-concieved! 12.43.56 # hm. 12.44.06 # the "i-before-e-except-after-c" rule doesn't apply there. 12.44.12 # or. 12.44.14 # does it?! 12.44.14 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.44.23 # huh. i guess it does. 12.44.30 # that's interesting. "conceive" looks so .. WRONG. 12.44.56 # wtf. 12.45.16 # first google result for "concieve" is a bit .. weird.. 12.45.19 # All for Maybe_Baby Trying To Concieve !! 12.45.19 # A Very friendly supportive group for those on a Quest trying to conceive and experiencing Infertility,Secondary Infertility,Miscarriage or just looking for ... 12.45.19 # groups.msn.com/AllforMaybeBabyTryingToConcieve - 39k - 12.45.25 # oh. 12.45.28 # never mind. 12.45.32 # misread that. carry on. :E 12.45.35 # just what you're looking for midkay... :-D 12.45.39 # haha. 12.45.42 # stfu. 12.45.45 # *bookmarks when nobody's looking* 12.45.50 # ahahah 12.46.10 # i thought it said like.. "for those on a quest to experience infertility, miscarriage.." 12.46.26 # hahah 12.46.55 # sharpe: snag hl2:deathmatch. 12.47.20 # eh? 12.47.26 # what is unclear about that?! 12.47.31 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.47.33 # oh. 12.47.43 # telling me to get hl2. i get it. 12.47.59 # yeah. exactly. 12.48.03 # so do it. 12.48.16 # the power of christ compels you! 12.48.20 # i thought you meant like, something else. 12.49.06 # something naughty? *can't see any possibilities of anything remotely off-topic even with his sick brain*.. 12.49.09 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 12.49.23 # nah. just. my brain didn't really think of snag as an action. 12.49.56 # as an adjective? 12.50.03 # adverb? noun?! 12.50.13 # complex conjugate? whatever that is. 12.50.40 # ahah. i don't know. but it wasn't a verb. 12.50.49 # haha. 12.50.53 # still. get it ffs. 12.51.17 # ah, maybe sometime. 12.51.45 # it's ten bucks ffs. deathmatch, that is. 12.52.13 # ah. 12.52.23 # maybe i'll get it sometime today. 12.52.26 Part Paul_The_Nerd 12.52.30 # isn't that worth your getting owned by both me and scorche?! 12.52.45 # you'd pay like fifty bucks for that ffs. 12.52.52 # yes, yes i would. 12.53.13 # we'll kick your ass on my map. :D 12.53.37 # haha. wow. 12.53.41 # looking back on older revisions. 12.53.44 # disgusting. 12.53.47 # then i'll make my cube map that you can walk though. 12.53.59 # haha. 12.54.02 # http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/184/park9vl.jpg 12.54.02 # :E 12.54.22 # that's exactly 3 weeks ago. 12.54.35 Quit Pyromancer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.54.39 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 12.54.51 # i've never seen such horrid mapping. 12.54.55 # shot from about the same angle from like last night. 12.54.58 # http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4899/residential1uw8.jpg 12.55.01 # haha. it's called beta/WIP you idiot. 12.55.10 # wait. 12.55.13 # yes. 12.55.16 # hah. i'm just kidding. 12.55.37 # eat me. :( 12.56.41 # WAIT. 12.56.44 # i have older ones. 12.57.30 # here. older still. http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3162/dmresidential49ar.jpg 12.57.33 # different angle though. 12.57.39 # *holds on to old screenshots* 12.58.28 # makes me cringe. 12.58.33 # haha. 12.58.36 # insensitive clod. 12.58.46 # indifferential jerk. 12.58.58 # i care. you don't 12.59.04 # you;re the indiferna tjerkl 12.59.07 # :) 12.59.10 # try to correct the spelling on that one! 12.59.14 # you know i'm just kidding. 12.59.22 # GAH. 12.59.37 # i hate accidentally touching the volume knob on this headset's little inline remote. 12.59.44 # it flies upwards. never downwards. :( 12.59.53 # I hate those knobs full stop 13.00.06 # hm? 13.00.13 # very useful, just too touchy. :\ 13.00.30 # too touchy? hmm... sounds like it could be taken in the wrong context. 13.00.36 # Whats wrong with adjusting the volume on the player, or on the computer? 13.00.45 # not even *i* thought of that sharpe. you are a tard. 13.00.54 # It just adds another thing to screw up in my opinion 13.00.56 # aliask: too much hassle on the computer, i guess.. 13.01.04 # i just leave PC volume on full. 13.01.09 # i never use these for my iPod. 13.01.13 # i'm a tard. thanks. not even a complete retard. thank you midkay. 13.01.20 # not a problem sharpe. 13.01.24 # you get some credit for.. you know. 13.01.28 # i don't know. 13.01.30 # trying? 13.01.33 # i'm used to my volume wheel thing on my keyboard... :D 13.01.33 # sticking around when nobody wants you to. 13.01.37 # :DDDD 13.01.42 # aliask: haha, ah.. 13.01.46 # yeah, i apparently do that a lot. 13.01.50 # in fact i have some volume buttons here.. 13.01.55 # but just feels nicer to use a knob. 13.02.02 # just the buttons, they're not connected to anything. 13.02.05 # sharpe: we love you, jkjkjkjk. 13.02.08 # btw that map is pretty good looking 13.02.08 # haha. 13.02.12 # you idiot sharpe. 13.02.17 # ? 13.02.34 # aliask: thanks. still majorly working on it.. plenty of changes from that version in fact. :) working on it now. 13.02.38 # if sharpe wasn't such a distractor. 13.02.46 # it's what i do best. 13.02.57 # * aliask shakes fist at sharpe to blend in with the crowd 13.03.02 # haha. 13.03.11 # eh, i only distract midkay and scorche. 13.03.34 # and now me too! 13.03.37 # DAMN YOU 13.03.40 # :D 13.03.50 # (from homework...) 13.04.08 # (good work) 13.04.12 # haha. 13.04.15 # and. haha. 13.04.18 # i haven't slept, i have nothing to do, all apparently i'm doing is fixing my schedule for this year. 13.04.23 # at snarkpit.net i clicked the "go to a random user profile page" button. 13.04.27 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.04.30 # and i got "error: profile does not exist!" 13.05.22 # sounds like a really bad joke. 13.05.36 # indeed. 13.05.43 # especially the exclamation mark. 13.05.49 # hmhm. me is amused by some statistics. 13.05.53 # and the fact it was totally off topic. 13.05.56 # haha. it wasn't a direct quote ffs. 13.06.25 # :\ 13.06.31 # :D 13.06.34 # gah. 13.06.38 # need to go to bed soon/ 13.07.13 # i should've gone nine hours ago. 13.07.35 # more of that "going to bed" and ten minutes later send-random-message-to-#rockbox crap?! 13.08.10 # no, that was a sleepless night where i had nothing to do. 13.08.26 # haha. 13.08.31 # and i did not send random message crap. i was involving myself in the conversation. 13.08.54 # really. i didn't notice anybody acknowledge your thoughts, message or presence in any way. 13.08.59 # ... either time. 13.09.29 # i love you. 13.09.44 # ... 13.09.55 # ha. i knew it. 13.10.33 # brb! 13.10.38 # ... 13.10.43 # silly little man. 13.11.04 # wow, moving the button code defines to the target tree turned out to be a major hassle... 13.11.22 # LinusN: the centralizing it? 13.11.30 # Technical issue? Or just time consuming? 13.12.33 # well, the button codes are moved to an include file in the target tree, e.g firmware/target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/button-target.h 13.12.54 # which means that the include path must be changed in all makefiles 13.12.59 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F2294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.13.07 # oh. 13.13.18 # LinusN: I know. I was looking at it last night. Thanks for doing that. 13.13.46 # ... 13.14.09 # well, it would have to be done sooner or later 13.15.30 # have you committed it to cvs? I don't see it on the activity list on the homepage. 13.19.47 # How polite. 13.22.54 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@e176127139.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.23.49 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.97) 13.26.26 # Do the people running rockbox.org already know that Twiki is exploitable again? 13.27.03 # (couldn't find it in today's IRC log, so I thought I might ask) 13.27.28 # i don't think so... 13.27.34 # solexx good to let us know, but try on private next time ... 13.27.53 # sorry 13.28.14 # not a big deal.. i don't think spammers/hackers search IRC logs to find out that there's a potential exploit in some way :) 13.28.44 # LinusN, Bagder and Zagor are the people, responsible for the rockbox.org server 13.29.07 # I trust they subscribe to the appropriate Twiki mailing lists... 13.30.18 Quit theli_ua (Remote closed the connection) 13.31.20 # solexx: use the exploit to update twiki :P 13.31.37 # :) 13.32.08 # I am not even sure that rocjbox.org is vulnerable, but I don't fully understand the advisory (since I have never touched Twiki except by using it) 13.33.22 # solexx: are you referring to the bin/configure POST exploit? 13.35.39 # Rockbox website is slow. is it so me only? 13.35.52 # ah, TWiki. 13.36.35 # well, the button codes are moved to an include file in the target tree <- couldnt you just do a #include for each target in button.h? then thats the only file that will need changing? 13.37.21 # LinusN: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertCmdExecWithConfigure 13.37.27 # Configure script allows arbitrary shell command execution (CVE-2006-3819) 13.37.35 # JdGordon: that's exactly what is being done, but button.h is included by many files, for example all the plugins 13.39.03 # LinusN: in other words: yes :) 13.39.12 # .. leave it till after actions are implemented and then the only file that woud need to include the button.h is the keymap file for that target 13.39.44 # solexx: we weren't vulnerable to this, as we already have the configure script restricted 13.40.19 Quit Jungti1234 () 13.40.31 # JdGordon: the include path will probably need to be changed anyway 13.40.40 # Fine. After the first(?) break-in last year I always think of Rockbox when I hear about Twiki... 13.40.58 # solexx: thanks for the heads-up 13.44.02 # my pleasure 13.44.13 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.46.44 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.97) 13.46.48 # how much free space should i keep on my / partition in rockbox? 13.47.44 # 0.. it should be full of music 13.47.50 # and games 13.48.05 # well, the games need some space for highscores and rockbox uses some small control files 13.49.07 # i guess a few kbs is enough 13.50.06 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp44-247.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.52.49 # but one fat32 cluster size on a 30GB partition is about 32kb ... 13.53.59 # fortunately my ipod nano has 4kb clusters 13.55.32 Quit barrywardell () 13.56.08 Quit |apo| (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.02.33 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.181.209) 14.02.57 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.03.33 Part solexx 14.07.27 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 14.10.04 # ho hum.. im bored again 14.15.10 # Gotta question. 14.15.30 # Just today, there's a few songs that skip when played. 14.15.46 # Would deleting them, then putting them back on be a decent idea? 14.16.06 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.17.20 # I don't think that would help. What player do you have? 14.18.28 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 14.20.28 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.20.58 # LinusN: Are you going to commit that patch to cvs or hold off like JdGordon suggested? If so, could you please mail me a patch to work off of? 14.21.36 # barrywardell: Did you manage to find any other interesting stuff connected to the GPIO pins apart from the buttons? 14.22.08 # i found whether usb was connected or not 14.22.32 # i've documented all the gpio stuff I know so far in the wiki 14.22.33 # barrywardell: i will commit it 14.23.20 # I also found a way to turn the system off using the gpio 14.28.23 Quit Jungti1234 () 14.30.28 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 14.35.29 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 14.40.13 Join apo` [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-091-235.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.41.11 Quit aliask ("sleep") 14.42.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.43.59 # does party mode only affect the pause on the remote? im looking at the code and it seems the check for party mode in only if WPS_RC_PAUSE is defined? 14.44.00 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 14.44.13 # ... or im too tired and should be sleeping instead of fiddling 14.44.17 # I Mmmm in the House? 14.44.24 # *Is Mmmm in the house> 14.45.39 Quit perpleXa (Nick collision from services.) 14.45.55 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 14.46.30 # * JdGordon is baffled by some of the wps code... it really needs a good cleanup :p 14.48.23 Quit perpleXa (Client Quit) 14.51.11 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 14.54.15 Quit nudelyn ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 14.56.33 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp141-100.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.57.02 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.59.00 # JdGordon: what do you feel remains in the button handler? 15.00.00 # LinusN: i tihnk its mostly done, we need to figure out the final list of ACTION_STD_ and we should make sure it actually works on the heavily button deficiant targets 15.00.27 # and of course add keymaps for all targets 15.00.33 # ye 15.01.10 # i dont mind doing the convereting of the code by myself, but i cant do button mappings for any other target except iriver 15.01.26 # of course 15.01.28 Join dionoea_work [0] (n=3ea147f9@poy.chewa.net) 15.01.31 # hi 15.01.39 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 15.02.38 # because its a huge commit, can we branch the cvs untill its working then patch the MAIN branch against the changes? so people dont complain about no working cvs builds for however long the whole changeover takes? 15.03.18 # i think we should commit the whole shebang at once 15.03.59 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 15.04.11 # i mean, the old button_get() code still works, doesn't it? 15.04.27 # ok, initial wps stuff is in 15.04.57 # ye, the main problem is not haaving mappings for any targets except iriver and ipod atm 15.05.10 # i mean, it potentially could go in tonight if we had them 15.05.36 # people with targets which don't work will fix those :) 15.06.05 # the problem is that untill that is fixed rockbox is completly unusable 15.06.21 # then they'll fix it rapidly :D 15.06.39 # * linuxstb makes mental note not to do cvs update today... 15.06.48 # :D 15.07.13 # linuxstb: no, u're wrong, better do it _now_ ;) 15.07.49 # I'm too busy cursing portalplayer and dreaming of having a datasheet for the PP5020 15.07.58 # hehe 15.08.31 # so... volunteers to do keymapping on the recorder (i have a tiny bit for that one), player, ondio and x5? 15.08.34 # while you're talking about PP5020, has anyone started work on using both cores in rockbox ? 15.09.05 # JdGordon: i can do the recorder when i get back from work (i just bough a brand new usb AA cable) 15.09.16 # dan_a mentioned yesterday that he was playing with that. 15.09.23 # JdGordon: unfortunately i can't help u with this, as i have only h340 15.10.03 # linuxstb: neat :) 1 audio thread on one core and all the other threads on the other core ? or something more complex ? 15.10.34 # JdGordon: in fact the target's manual can help u a bit ... 15.10.41 # * linuxstb wants more Rockbox devs hacking the PP5020... 15.11.04 # Bg3r: yes and no 15.11.19 # linuxstb: bring a .pdf and i'm sure there will be volunteers 15.11.22 # * dionoea_work would be willing to help (i never did any asm before ... but it shouldn' be too hard) 15.11.33 # Bg3r: I've got lots of PDFs... 15.11.52 # pp5020 is in the 4g riught? 15.11.57 # JdGordon: i said a bit ;) 15.12.22 # * JdGordon has access to a 4g that needs a new hdd that i can play with 15.12.36 # but the only asm ive ever done was mips and i wasnt very good 15.14.10 # anyway.. back to the buttons 15.14.54 # oh, is it safe to use the same define for the standard select and goto-browser in the wps? its the same on iriver but others? 15.16.46 # actually. change that... I tihnk the wps should not use any standard defines (possibly the same for fm and rec) 15.16.54 # JdGordon: Yes, all the 4g and later ipods (including the minis, Nano and 5g) use either the pp5020, pp5021 or pp5022, and they all seem to be compatibie with each other. 15.18.19 # linuxstb: in fact, what are the differences between them (if it happens to know ...) 15.18.53 # linuxstb: btw, what work (apart from the dual core stuff) needs to be done on the pp5020 ? 15.21.24 # Bg3r: The PP5022 uses less power and has more IRAM compared to the PP5020. No information at all is available on the PP5021, but it was launched at the same time as the PP5022. 15.22.31 # dionoea_work: The dual core stuff is more or less completely understood. I think the only thing we don't know is how to independently set the speed of the two CPUs (which I think is possible only to a limited degree anyway). 15.23.07 # hm, i'm wondering if there is any chance PP to open their datasheets if apple refuses to work with them in the future... 15.23.16 # so that's like feedning it random stuff and seeing how it reacts ? or reading apple firmware dissassembly ? 15.23.45 # But we generally know almost nothing about the PP5020 - it's all just guesswork. For example, I'm trying to get rolo working reliably at the moment, and it works fine if I don't enable the CPU cache in Rockbox, but with the CPU cache enabled, I can't get it working reliably. 15.25.32 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]") 15.27.55 # ok, wps is 90% done, with iriver mapping 15.28.35 # linuxstb: how did the ipodlinux guys and you find what is currently known ? guessing ? reading firmware ? 15.29.23 # something must be wrong... after adding the wps code we are down 500 bytes from cvs.. :D 15.29.45 # I found out what I know by reading the IPL source code (and some guesswork). I suppose the IPL people read the firmware and guessed. 15.30.24 # *yawn* 2 more days of coming it at 7am 15.30.39 # is everything on http://ipodlinux.org/Pp5020 ? 15.32.09 Join |apo| [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-085-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.32.11 Quit apo` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.32.21 # There and in the IPL and Rockbox source... 15.39.36 Join _apo_ [0] (n=r00t@dslb-084-057-077-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.39.38 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.40.28 # grr.. the wps code is shocking, and the actoins code is not reliable at all for the ffwd/rwd actions :'( 15.40.56 # lovely :-) 15.41.21 # i dont think it will be all that painful to fix, just have to figure out the problem 15.41.39 # probably because the wps enters a new state when doing ff and rew 15.42.44 # ye, i tinhk its something like that 15.43.34 # also the code isnt easy to follow, where is the logic in the ffwd case falling through to the rewind case? 15.44.36 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 15.46.04 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.48.36 # barrywardell: i have now committed the x5 button driver changes 15.49.18 # LinusN: great thanks. I'll have a look through it now 15.49.23 # just code cleanup or did something change? 15.49.36 # code cleanup 15.50.01 # that works too :) 15.50.10 # i keep hoping for this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3298.30 15.50.41 # instead of the menu i'd go for right does queue and play... and navi does the same thing it always has 15.50.51 # * LinusN mumbles something along the lines of "dream on"... :_) 15.51.11 # goffa: i agree that it would be a nice feature 15.51.19 Quit funky ("Leaving") 15.51.22 # yeah i know... frustrating when you can't code :) 15.51.59 # the irony is that it would be much easier to implement than say playlist catalog, voice menus, doom, etc 15.52.10 # hmm... i tinhk the problem was i got carried away with removing lines i removed some needed lines accidently :p 15.52.35 # goffa: not necessarily easier 15.52.37 # so all i can do is beg and whine ;) or bitch and moan.. take your pick.. he he eh 15.52.46 Join pekuja [0] (i=pekuja@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) 15.53.05 # JdGordon: hehe, see the diff then 15.53.42 # hmm.. actually, i dont tinhk so 15.53.54 # * JdGordon cant follow this code @ midnight :p 15.54.27 # ill do one last diff so you guys can get some targets done while i sleep 15.54.43 # what happened with the WPS ? 15.55.32 # it works except prev/next track and seeking in a track isnt very reliable 15.57.40 # goffa: for example, the patch in the tracker assumes that all targets have a Right button, which they don't 15.58.39 # it's not a big deal, we just won't offer the quick-queue feature on targets that lack buttons 15.58.53 # but the patch is not cvs-material because of this 15.59.18 # I'm having a bit of a problem with my iriver H320 running CVS-060602 of Rockbox. It seems like the battery drains rather quickly even when the player is turned off. Is this a known issue, a misconfiguration or just my battery going bad? 15.59.47 Quit |apo| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.00.16 # 06-06-02? that's oooold! 16.00.39 # still.. battery draing while its off? 16.00.56 # actions.diff is just under 100kb.. 16.02.02 # pekuja: you should really consider upgrading to a later version, since your version has the dreaded USBOTG bug which literally *eats* battery 16.02.31 # LinusN, heh, could be that then I guess 16.02.36 # LinusN, but while it's turned off? 16.02.51 # well that could be a sign of your battery going bad 16.02.56 # yeah 16.03.06 # I'll have to test how long it lasts while actually using it 16.03.19 # but upgrade before you do that 16.03.43 # LinusN: yeah... i think it would be better to have it committed anyway for those that can utilize it.. since it doesn't take anything away from existing players 16.04.03 # it just adds functionality to those that can use it 16.04.24 # like not all players have recording or fm radio 16.04.33 # in the current state, i suspect it doesn't even compile on all targets 16.05.09 # yeah... probably not.. but isn't there a way to disable that for targets that don't support it? 16.05.44 # i told you 16.05.53 # it's not a big deal, we just won't offer the quick-queue feature on targets that lack buttons 16.06.07 # but someone has to: 16.06.13 # *cough* can be added easily once actions are in :D 16.06.17 # 1) update the patch so it applies to the current CVS 16.06.44 # 2) make sure it isn't included on targets that don't have enough buttons 16.07.25 Join YauM [0] (n=guillaum@ALyon-252-1-94-136.w86-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.07.43 # hello 16.08.25 # I have some pb with a IAUDIO X5 and voices 16.08.31 # LinusN, I'll update tonight I guess. Is there a new version coming out anytime soon though? 16.08.47 # can someone help me please ? 16.08.49 # pekuja: every day, as usual 16.08.52 # LinusN, I remember 2.6 was being worked on last I checked, but it seems like they're talking about 3.0 on the mailing list? 16.09.04 # LinusN, well yeah, but I mean a new release version :-P 16.09.09 # pekuja: use a daily build 16.09.16 # sure sure 16.09.17 # 3.0 is postponed 16.09.30 # YauM: what is your problem? 16.09.34 # ok 16.10.18 # LinusN: when I presse the menu bouton while a song his playing rockbox freeze 16.10.37 # YauM: while music is playing? 16.10.46 # yes 16.10.47 # interesting 16.11.10 # escuse my very bad english 16.11.48 # On the screen I have : 16.11.53 # I00: 16.11.59 # at 000058FF 16.12.03 # wow 16.12.24 # and after i must hold the supply button 10 sec 16.13.10 # This is the same with french and english voices 16.13.24 # with the today build 16.13.30 # and the blending edge build 16.14.04 # I make something wrong ? 16.14.16 # i don't think so 16.14.41 # It is a knew bug ? 16.17.16 # alrighty, im going to bed, gnite all... someone port the archos' buttons :D 16.17.20 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.18.20 # It is a known bug 16.20.18 # YauM: i don't know, we have quite a few reports on voice problems 16.21.04 # you think I must report the bug in the bug traker ? 16.24.28 # YauM: do this: 16.24.45 # 1) upgrade to the latest version, and make sure you extract the enture zip file 16.25.31 # 2) find a way to repeat the bug, so we developers can make it crash 16.25.39 # 3) report in the tracker 16.25.48 # * amiconn is back, and spots more target tree work 16.27.26 # ok but I must try with the daily build or the blending edge release ? 16.27.46 # YauM: daily build is preferred 16.28.19 # ok i will try 16.28.43 # thank you 16.29.29 # gtg, cu later 16.29.32 Part LinusN 16.34.13 Join San [0] (n=San@213-202-177-176.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 16.42.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.44.05 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 16.50.20 Join desrt [0] (n=desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net) 16.53.12 Quit [San] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.53.26 Join Knasbollen [0] (n=chatzill@217-210-189-90-no37.tbcn.telia.com) 16.53.54 # hello 17.00.50 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54933D72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.01.06 # where in the build process is ipod.c selected to be built? 17.01.18 # it's in bootloader 17.02.45 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 17.02.59 Quit YauM ("Quitte") 17.03.05 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@24-180-96-186.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 17.05.03 Join midgey34 [0] (n=TJ@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 17.06.55 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82.14.24.155) 17.08.15 Quit x1jmp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.08.39 # barrywardell: bootloader/SOURCES 17.09.38 # thanks 17.10.13 Join Moos [0] (n=51c0baa1@labb.contactor.se) 17.10.24 # Hello ! 17.10.35 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 17.11.15 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host75-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 17.12.31 Join BockBilbo [0] (n=BockBilb@eu85-84-43-70.clientes.euskaltel.es) 17.12.33 # hello 17.13.13 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 17.13.47 # hmm, it seems my cygwin is stuck in a loop 17.15.38 # I replaced a bitmap in apps/plugins/bitmaps/native and it keeps building that directory over and over 17.16.03 # Try a make clean - the bitmap build system doesn't always work as it should... 17.16.22 # But I've never heard of that before. 17.17.14 # woohoo. 17.17.31 # well, its the exact build I built last night except I replaced one bitmap that someone on misticriver posted 17.18.16 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 17.18.53 Join Benedetto [0] (n=51f08509@labb.contactor.se) 17.19.03 # hi all 17.20.43 # well, I fixed the problem. The new bitmap was 16bit instead of 24 17.21.18 # do ya know if one can have both linux and rockbox in the same iPod? 17.21.33 # yes, you can 17.21.38 # are there French speaking people who work on the rockbox project ? 17.23.27 # any of you is using the rockscobbler plugin? 17.23.30 # i mean.. script 17.23.42 Quit enzyme (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.23.49 # Knasbollen: Just install ipodlinux first (making sure you use the IPL loader2 bootloader), and then you just need to download the correct rockbox.zip for your ipod, and unzip to your FAT32 partition. 17.24.00 # <_apo_> Hm... would it be possible to partition the iPod and put an OS on one partition that a PC can boot? 17.24.05 # ok thx 17.24.30 Join nsfx [0] (n=psi@c-68-45-27-195.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 17.24.50 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 17.24.54 Quit nsfx (Client Quit) 17.25.23 # BockBilbo: where would i get that script from? 17.26.58 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42767 17.27.21 # works good for submiting tracks to last.fm if you have the audioscrobbler plugin for rockbox 17.27.39 # though, i have a little problem with it when making it work automatically 17.28.42 # when pluggin my ipod to my computer, it executes the script twice because i have 2 partitions on my ipod (one for music and the other for IPL)... 17.28.47 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 17.28.52 # and that seens to be working poorly 17.29.58 Quit Benedetto ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.30.20 # ok 17.31.23 Part BockBilbo ("Ex-Chat") 17.31.35 Join BockBilbo [0] (n=BockBilb@eu85-84-43-70.clientes.euskaltel.es) 17.34.51 # linuxstb, midgey34: Such build loops may happen if a source file has a future timestamp 17.35.13 # meh 17.35.27 # * amiconn should read backlogs completely before commenting :/ 17.35.56 # it had a future timestamp as well 17.36.04 # two hours from now actually 17.36.18 # 16bit _should_ be no problem for bmp2rb 17.36.55 # ok, well saving it to 24bit created a new timestamp anyway so all is good 17.37.01 # But if a source file has a future timestamp (regardless of the source file type), 'make' falls into a loop because the condition will be never fulfilled 17.37.15 Quit joe2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.37.17 # 'touch' is your friend in this case 17.39.31 Join lex [0] (i=lex@193.65.221.148) 17.39.33 # hey 17.40.07 # why does my my music stop for a while when i use ie. oscilloscope when i play music on my photo? 17.42.23 Quit Knasbollen (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17.44.44 # <_apo_> Probably because it doesn't get decoded fast enough 17.48.20 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 17.49.37 # :( 17.49.43 # that's what i thought too 17.49.52 # -too :o 17.51.27 Part pixelma 17.53.03 Quit BockBilbo ("Ex-Chat") 17.59.07 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 18.00.50 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 18.06.34 Join Knasbollen [0] (n=chatzill@217-210-189-90-no37.tbcn.telia.com) 18.20.53 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.33.35 # I was wondering: can someone add me to the Developers list on flyspray so i can accept bugs/fix them ? 18.34.34 # dionoea_work: you have a 5G ipod then? 18.34.41 # yeah :) 18.34.48 # and an old recorder 18.34.58 # well, then by all means good luck fixing that bug 18.35.10 # did you already give it a try ? 18.35.39 # (i was planing on doing bitmaps for color targets anyway) 18.36.02 # no, I didn't have a chance. I spent my time working on my plugins 18.36.33 # it works on the simulator though 18.37.19 Quit Hadaka (Remote closed the connection) 18.37.38 # yeah, that's weird 18.38.22 # what plugins did you do btw ? (just curious) 18.39.04 # umm blackjack and pegbox, both are on the tracker 18.39.22 # blackjack has two bugs though that are rather annoying 18.39.56 # the pegbox description looked like it could be fun ... i'll have to give it a try :) 18.40.07 # please do 18.42.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.46.39 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 18.48.41 Join Febs [0] (n=40be240f@labb.contactor.se) 18.48.41 Quit dionoea_work ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.50.20 # how does the 'MKFIRMWARE' part of the build process work? 18.50.31 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.50.40 # Bagder: do you have any thoughts about how to incorporate mi4code 18.51.05 # I have a new build target for the H10 done apart from that 18.54.27 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 18.58.17 Part Knasbollen 19.04.56 # barrywardell: for now I think you can just require it to be in the path 19.05.42 # ok 19.08.08 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F2294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.11.41 Quit sando ("blargh") 19.11.45 Quit Ribs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.12.49 Part barrywardell 19.18.54 Join chamois [0] (n=5950027c@labb.contactor.se) 19.19.41 Quit chamois (Client Quit) 19.24.18 Join aarond [0] (n=Aaron@c-67-160-4-13.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 19.25.38 # are there certain AAC files known to break rockbox? 19.27.01 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 19.28.56 Quit XavierGr () 19.29.49 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 19.32.03 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 19.32.36 Join aarond_ [0] (n=Aaron@c-67-160-4-13.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 19.33.38 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.35.14 Quit aarond (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19.36.38 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 19.42.34 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 19.42.43 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-65-33.dyn.iinet.net.au) 19.51.17 Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.53.44 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@c-24-15-165-22.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.56.19 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82.14.24.155) 19.58.51 # is it possible to read samples from the microphone/line-in into a buffer? 20.05.32 Part midgey34 20.08.03 # dunno 20.08.38 Join filR [0] (n=filR@cm66-94.liwest.at) 20.09.18 # hi 20.10.32 # hi 20.10.58 # everyone idle'ing i guess. :/ 20.11.24 # yah 20.11.33 # but perhaps someone can help me anyway .. i suddenly can't see any of the files on my 5g ipod. i can however see the directories. 20.11.41 # well, that's the whole point of irc. to idle. :) 20.11.51 # yeah I dont get it either 20.12.06 # even after I got cable I dont idle unless I leave in hurry 20.12.35 # i even joined a special idle room .. where you get points for saying nothing. 20.12.41 # but it grew boring after a week or two. :) 20.12.43 # idlerpg? 20.12.47 # yeah. 20.12.55 # I've played that 20.12.57 # it was too hard 20.13.08 # well, i didn't have the skills. :( 20.14.15 # so, anyway, no one here has heard of something similar happening to anyone? ie. suddenly only seeing no files == empty directories on the device? :) 20.14.55 # nope 20.15.03 # w00t, i am unique. 20.15.10 # I have a different problem, but guess I'll just have to re-encode 20.15.23 # codec problems? 20.15.24 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 20.15.31 # rockbox doesn like some AAC files I just made for some reason 20.15.51 # and I cant stand the gaps in regular ipod firmware 20.15.59 # the gaps seem worse than usual 20.16.03 # gapless playback ftw. 20.16.15 # hm, well, i don't really like aac though. 20.16.40 # so I load it into rockbox which I havent used in a while, then head out to work and pfftttttt it crashes when I try playing them 20.16.47 # I like it a lot more than mp3 20.17.18 # just like the day before I only had a few files downloaded and they were flac, I put them on because I thought it supported flac, but nope 20.17.21 # to proprietary. (well, mp3 isn't much better) 20.17.34 # hm, rockbox does actually support flac. 20.17.47 # maybe not on nano 20.17.47 # at least on my ipod i can play flac. or could. now i just can't see them anymore. ;)( 20.18.04 # hm, it should be able to play flac on nano as well afaik. 20.18.11 # cant see them on the ipod or on the computer 20.18.20 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.18.23 # only on the ipod. 20.18.38 # that is what is so weird about it. 20.18.41 # might be file extension problem? thats all I can think of 20.19.24 # filR: hold down menu to bring up the quick screen - what's the view setting at the bottom? 20.20.15 # hm, the view setting? under general settings? 20.20.46 # well, quick screen is easier to get to - I can't remember where it is in the normal menu :) 20.20.54 # ha, ok, found it. 20.20.55 # thanks. 20.21.07 # i knew it was something simple like a borked setting. 20.21.27 # (the weird thing is - i even formatted / reinstalled rockbox. guess it didn't change the setting oO) 20.21.52 # nope, the settings are stored in an otherwise unused sector on the harddrive 20.22.40 # really? neet. pretty weird place to put them though, isn't it? 20.23.04 # obo??????? 20.23.10 # yup - there is talk that it will be moved to a config file system at some point 20.23.11 # yes? 20.23.24 # sorry that was me expressing shock 20.23.32 # hehe 20.23.38 # k8to: why? 20.23.49 # yeah, that's what I was thinking... 20.24.00 # There are reasons why the settings are stored as they are stored 20.24.02 # there is a filesystem available! 20.24.10 # *starts copying 30gb music again after formatting his ipod* 20.24.45 # k8to: (1) The settings saving is older than write support in the filesystem. (2) Using a binary sector is faster 20.25.34 # is it necessary to access the settings very often? 20.25.36 Join aarond [0] (n=Aaron@c-67-160-4-13.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 20.25.39 # But the versioning starts to become annoying, and .cfg won't be that bad 20.25.59 # A few settings will stay binary though (but in a file) 20.26.07 # k8to: Yes, e.g. resume info 20.26.19 # a bin file shouldn't be slower really 20.26.23 # if you store the offset to it etc 20.26.46 # more hassle to write that sort of thing though 20.27.04 # hi 20.27.13 Join filR2 [0] (n=filR2@cm66-94.liwest.at) 20.27.20 Quit filR ("omfg, another me!") 20.27.24 Nick filR2 is now known as filR (n=filR2@cm66-94.liwest.at) 20.27.40 # The file can simply be kept open if it turns out we need the speed 20.28.56 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.29.07 # anyone know why certain aac would break rockbox? 20.29.38 # aarond: slightly corrupt files? faad has a bug? 20.29.42 # the current aac decoder is a bit flakey 20.29.51 # oh ok 20.30.03 # never seen it happen before 20.30.09 # might have been the encoder I used 20.30.23 # aarond: itunes aac encoder? 20.30.23 # there seems to be a larger than usual gap between tracks thats all 20.30.35 # that is probably a cputime thing 20.30.38 # in apple firmware I mean 20.30.51 # so I wanted to hear them in rockbox but they all make it crash 20.31.06 # no I used a little freeware app to convert from flac 20.31.32 # I think I remember someone saying that itunes encoded ones worked... (but I could be wrong) 20.31.33 # consider ogg for higher quality for filesize ;P 20.31.37 # its called Max 20.31.52 # oh well, if you converted them yourself, a dirty way around the problem would probably be encoding them as ogg (or mp3). :D 20.31.53 # well yeah I want to but it will eat more battery yes? 20.31.59 # i also use max .. 20.32.21 # I just got it cause I needed something to convert from flac and it sounded good 20.32.25 # k8to: i wouldn't go so far as to say ogg vorbis has the better quality when compared to aac. :) 20.32.34 # filR: i was comparing it to mp3 20.32.41 # sorry if that was unclear 20.32.44 # k8to: in that case i agree with you. 20.32.45 # hehe. 20.32.45 # I think the current aac decoder will use more battery than mp3/ogg 20.32.51 # I just dont want to use mp3, aac and ogg sound better 20.33.04 # hmm ok, I might have time to convert to ogg before work 20.33.17 # certain faad uses much more cputime on my x86 20.33.20 # than libvorbis 20.33.25 # damn what am I thinking, my computer is too slow 20.33.33 # aarond: quite frankly, i doubt you, or any of use, or anybody, will here the difference once you go 192kbit. (especially on a portable device) 20.33.38 # I might do as mp3 just for now 20.33.39 # maybe that is kind of meaningless though 20.34.01 # s/here/hear/ 20.34.43 Join Short1 [0] (n=Administ@71.244.175.120) 20.34.47 # at ogg 160kbps on my samsung player with e6i earphones, i can notice some artifacting 20.34.54 # but it is not obvious at all 20.35.23 # aarond: ipod? 20.35.32 # I dont hear artifacts in ogg at low bit rates, just sort of a fuzziness but I like it more than the mp3 crap 20.35.39 Quit aarond_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.35.46 # nano yes 20.35.47 # aarond: On ipod, ogg is more efficient than mp3 in rockbox 20.35.48 # yeah i meant "deviation from the original" 20.35.52 # not "specifica artifacts" 20.35.55 # really? 20.35.55 # (currently) 20.35.58 # yes 20.36.03 # wish I had time, blah 20.36.09 # amiconn: because of the decoder used? 20.36.24 # amiconn: It may be closer now with the change to -O for libmad. I (or someone) need to test the effect of -O on other codecs. 20.36.39 Part Short1 20.36.39 # k8to: that is why i try to get as much flac as possible. then i don't have to start worrying about whether or not i might be hearing encoding artifacts. 20.36.54 # filR: i use a 1 gig player 20.37.08 # k8to: well, that should get you about .. 2-4 albums. :D 20.37.16 # filR: woo 20.37.51 # * amiconn is annoyed by his non-working sound and goes to reboot 20.37.54 # I would use flac for now if it would play them 20.38.04 Part amiconn 20.38.37 # k8to: space is definelty an issue. but i just recently bought a 30gig ipod and am currently too lazy to reencode music (from flac to lame -V 4) before copying it onto the ipod. 20.38.39 # aarond: There is a patch to improve mp4 parsing on the patch tracker. If you don't want to patch and compile Rockbox yourself, I think senab's "experimental builds" include it. I would be interested to see if that patch fixes your problem. 20.39.00 # None of the devs use AAC, so the codec is a little abandoned. 20.39.12 # filR: i encoded my stuff at 160kbps largely because it hought the cputime was being exhausted on the device, but it turns out it the oggs generated for trance music for some reason give the player indigestion 20.39.31 # (native firmware) 20.39.41 # which is fine because trance is not very good music 20.39.47 # lol. 20.39.50 # never had a problem with any AAC files before so I thought it was weird 20.41.09 # How did you encode these one? 20.41.12 # ones/ 20.41.13 # ? 20.41.32 # using Max 20.41.51 # set it to AAC 192 20.41.59 # I mean MP4 20.42.12 # max uses the core aac encoder btw. (different to the itunes aac encoder) 20.42.15 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.42.17 # the first time I set it to AAC something and itunes wouldnt play it 20.42.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.42.34 # As I said, there is a patch on the patch tracker which hopefully will help you. But the patch needs people to test and give feedback. 20.42.52 # so I started over with mp4 and the ipod plays them but with nasty gaps 20.43.10 # oh ok 20.43.10 # You mean Apple's firmware plays with gaps, or Rockbox? 20.43.28 # apples, rockbox crashes or something 20.43.52 # should my nano play flac? 20.43.56 # Yes. 20.44.20 # Assuming they are .flac files, and not FLAC in a .ogg file. 20.44.22 # that's like hauling a motorhome with a vw beetle though :) 20.44.30 # well storage wise 20.44.32 # plays them fine 20.44.46 # they say .flac 20.44.54 # And what does Rockbox do? 20.46.00 # says there is no file or something after I try playing, could be because the rest of the torrent wasnt done? but the files I tried were so it doesnt make sense 20.46.09 # Im going to try it again now 20.46.42 # Are you sure the files were completely downloaded? 20.46.48 # do you have flac installed on your system? you could try checking the flac files with "flac -t song.flac" in the console. 20.46.51 # Torrents aren't done in order, and depending on the client, the files might be all mixed up until the download is complete 20.46.53 # (go flac crc!) 20.47.18 # At least the original client does that 20.47.58 # you could also try playing the flac file with vlc/cog/... (but that will not necessarily ensure that the file is not damaged) 20.48.15 # they were downloading one bye one and I put ones on that had stopped 20.49.16 # it plays now :) 20.49.48 # :) 20.49.55 # damn, do I deal with gaps or wipe half the thing to hear it without gaps? 20.51.36 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 20.54.45 # * ender` yawns 20.56.57 # i 2nd that 20.58.03 Join maquis [0] (n=maquis@199.104.112.185) 20.58.10 # hello all. 20.58.11 Join bluebrother [0] (i=IEgiyRaj@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 20.58.26 # first off, thanks to all the people who've worked on rockbox. i just installed it this morning and i like it 20.59.06 # i do have one question, though... i've copied my music in, and it's organized into little directories by genre. is there a way to tell it i want to shuffle through all the music rather than just one directory-worth? 20.59.26 # i'm not seeing that in my quick glances through the manual 20.59.44 # maquis, generate a playlist with all tracks and shuffle that list. 20.59.50 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.59.58 # bluebrother: ok... so there's no way to do it without a playlist? ok 21.00.12 # * maquis tries to come up with the easiest way to generate a playlist with everything in it 21.00.14 # maquis, if you ar ein the browser, click and hold your select button, and then go to playlist menu item, then simply click insert into playlist 21.00.26 # gamerD00d: cool 21.00.32 # no -- when playing a directory you actually create a playlist (the dynamic playlist) 21.00.33 # gamerD00d: beat me too it :) 21.00.36 # er to 21.00.46 # rockbox working on 3G ipods alright? 21.00.52 # afaik 21.00.54 # goffa, bluebrother, gamerD00d: thanks a ton :) 21.00.56 # bluebrother: that's been a bone of contention with me .. lolo 21.00.59 # er lol 21.01.08 # having an extra o problem today aparently 21.01.26 # aarond: Yes, to some degree. The codecs are running even slower than on the newer ipods. 21.01.52 # probably wouldnt be worth it for my friend 21.02.24 # was just telling him about the gap problem 21.03.58 # decided that I will listen to flac today :) 21.05.08 # flac are nice. :) 21.05.50 # lossless what else can you say :) 21.06.55 Join scott666_ [0] (n=scott666@c-71-195-12-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 21.07.16 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@rockbox/developer/Bger) 21.08.05 Quit x1jmp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.08.12 Part maquis 21.09.27 Quit Hulex () 21.10.10 # as long as it doesnt eat my whole battery on the way to work 21.10.12 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-73-164.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 21.10.20 Part scott666_ 21.10.27 # I dont know why anyone would want it on a portable device 21.10.50 # I was hopping someone upped it in flac just so that I could convert it to whatever I wanted 21.11.20 # last years convert was mp3 only and I could tell the difference from the previous one I got in AAC 21.11.26 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-103-68.dslaccess.co.uk) 21.12.00 # Your battery might even last longer playing FLAC - the Rockbox FLAC decoder is very efficient, and the Nano has no hard disk to keep spinning up. 21.12.16 # yeah.. lot of truth to that 21.12.26 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.12.47 Join webguest26 [0] (n=5950027c@labb.contactor.se) 21.12.59 Quit webguest26 (Client Quit) 21.13.06 # of course on a nano you'd better REALLY like the 10 or so songs :) 21.13.36 # probably more like 50.. but you get the drift 21.14.11 # aarond: because i am too lazy to convert it. also flac playback is very efficient (but it has to read a lot of data) 21.15.18 # which is why I worry about battery 21.15.32 # though I only need it for an hour for the trip and maybe a little at work 21.16.22 # is flac the best of its kind? Im guessing yes due to the popularity 21.16.37 # I dont usually use it, just wanted it for the above reason 21.16.52 # aarond: well, it is the most popular. there isn't really a "best" 21.17.10 # since its lossless 21.17.11 # there are ones with better tags, and ones with better compression. but it is the most wide-spread and supports the most plattforms. 21.17.31 # I havent tried apple lossless but wouldnt be like AIFF or Wave? 21.17.47 # hm, not it would be like flac basically. 21.18.03 # compressed just a little? 21.18.12 # with not loss of quality, ic 21.18.31 # I used to keep up with formats but I kind of lost track years ago 21.18.40 # hm, probablly compressed better than flac. 21.19.00 # but .. who cares if the 40mb file is 1mb larger or smaller? :) 21.19.03 # apple lossless? 21.19.08 # yeah really 21.19.11 # :) 21.19.29 # I'll stick with AAC for my nano, but maybe I will back up CDs on dvd some day 21.20.13 # if you want to do that, i really do recommend going lossless. harddrives are cheap these days - and you can't go wrong with lossless. 21.21.33 # usually my CDs only get ripped once and then go in a box though 21.21.53 # Ive been meaning to convert again to AAC or something but its too much work 21.21.59 # computer is too slow too 21.22.31 # well, i enjoy having everything on my linux server. that makes it easy to decode and reencode musik (if i need it for my ipod for example). 21.23.04 # but you could do the same with osx. write a couple of automator scripts (or shell scripts). :) 21.23.06 Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.23.34 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.26.39 # need more HD space 21.27.03 Quit filR (Remote closed the connection) 21.27.04 # everytime I try to clear some, there is something mysterious still hogging space 21.28.08 Join filR2 [0] (n=filR2@cm66-94.liwest.at) 21.31.18 # wow no gap, crazyness 21.31.43 # * aarond thought the ipod gap problem was going to be gone years ago 21.31.48 # I dont understand why its still there 21.32.06 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 21.32.12 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 21.32.42 Join LandusMikain [0] (i=Landus@70-100-181-192.dsl1-erie.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) 21.32.51 # apple (or any company for that matter) doesn't care about small minorities 21.32.55 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 21.33.16 Quit hannesd (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.33.17 # and the set of people who care about gaps is a very small minority 21.33.19 # yeah, too many people dont care, but it bugs me pretty bad 21.33.29 # its weird that sometimes its almost gapless on my nano 21.33.58 # I havent used rockbox in a while, used to update every monday 21.34.07 # damn. Seems like resuming after usb disconnect isn't working anymore. 21.35.09 # aarond: yeah, gapless playback is quite annoying on the (original) ipod. or the lack of it. 21.35.10 # has someone also this effect? H120, stop playback, then connect to USB. After disconnect the player tries to resume (wps comes up) but nothing happens. Audio thread shows zero for the pcm buffer 21.35.11 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.35.30 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.35.40 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 21.36.46 # if I knew why certain files were almost gapless in regular ipod firmware I would fix as much as I could 21.37.05 # most of the time its for stuff that doesnt need it but I like the way they play closer together 21.37.30 # I swear the AAC I made yesterday have larger gaps than usual 21.40.21 Quit Landus (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.41.20 Quit pixelma (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.41.20 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 21.45.38 # aarond: perhaps it depends on how much of the last frame is left at the end of the track 21.47.12 # re 21.47.34 # hmm ok 21.54.08 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 21.57.08 Join Lucky_devil [0] (n=19555779@195.222.84.13) 21.57.18 # hi2all 21.57.29 # rockbox is FANTASTIC! 21.57.36 # THANKS! 22.00.39 Quit Poka64 ("nite all") 22.00.49 # rockbox is the shit \o/ 22.01.34 # :wtf: 22.02.50 # competely 22.02.58 # I need to get back to using it 22.03.23 # dont remember why I stopped, I think I wanted to let it improve some more for a while or something 22.03.29 # even though it was working fine 22.04.04 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 22.05.11 # IS any cue-sheet support? 22.06.16 # no 22.06.52 # =((( 22.10.54 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.13.35 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.181.209) 22.15.13 # but why? 22.15.28 # is it so hard? 22.15.34 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 22.15.45 # nobody's done it yet. 22.15.50 # simple as that. 22.16.49 # :( 22.18.35 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A47471.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.19.41 # Lucky_devil: thewre is a discussion about it on the forums if you care to search 22.22.27 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 22.22.29 Join Benni [0] (n=chatzill@p5091A06D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.23.08 # scorche. 22.23.10 # wake up. 22.23.12 # let's play. 22.23.24 # cant...work in like 2 sec 22.23.31 # liar. 22.23.32 # :( 22.24.34 Join lamed [0] (n=590060a6@labb.contactor.se) 22.27.10 # /home/dionoea/rockbox/sh1/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.3.4/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is full (/home/dionoea/rockbox/rockbox/builds/archos/apps/rombox.elf section .rodata) 22.27.10 Quit lamed (Client Quit) 22.27.19 # weird ... is gcc 4.x.x mandatory ? 22.28.41 Part Benni ("User is away.") 22.31.36 # For SH, I think so, yes. You also need to apply a patch to get it to work with Rockbox. 22.31.49 # dionoea: Read the wiki, and update your sh-elf-gcc 22.31.58 # that's what i'm doing :) 22.32.11 # The recommendation is gcc 4.0.3, rockbox patched 22.32.44 Join JazzBone [0] (n=chatzill@p5091A06D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.32.47 # i just had my old crosscompile env available ... 22.32.51 # but that didn't work :) 22.33.32 # Reason: We use -Os now, and there's a bug (in all sh-elf-gcc versions I tested) that produces invalid jumptables with -O2, -O3 and -Os under certain conditions. 22.33.52 # gcc 4.0 and up do a better job with -Os than 3.x 22.34.05 # ok, thanks for the explanation 22.36.57 # I reported the jumptable problem to the gcc team, and I know *what* the proper fix would be, but not how to implement it. The patch is safe, but not 100% "clean" 22.37.26 # and they still didn't fix it upstream ? 22.37.52 # Not sure... up to 4.1.0 there was no fix 22.38.06 # Maybe the sh maintainer is busy/unreachable/whatever 22.41.18 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 22.42.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.46.51 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 22.48.36 # yay, it worked :) 22.49.15 # * dionoea updates a 2 year old rockbox build 22.50.18 # Ugh 22.50.24 Join Hulex [0] (n=Hulex@c-68-38-146-254.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 22.50.35 # dionoea: Prepare for the shock... ;) 22.50.46 # :) 22.51.40 Quit aarond () 22.56.39 # does anyone use last.fm / audioscrobbler with rockbox? 22.57.10 # yes :) 22.58.03 # w00tness. i assume there is a patch i have to "install"? probably i will need to upload the .scrobbler files manually? 22.58.06 # old bugs/patches/feature requests should be cleaned from the tracker (if they don't apply anymore) 22.58.55 # filR2: yes, there is a patch - you need to either setup a dev enviroment, or use an experimental build that has the patch 22.59.18 # there is a perl script to upload the .scrobbler.log file to last.fm 22.59.28 # u, crap. that sounds like no fun. (compiling rockbox) 22.59.52 # it's a lot of fun! 23.00.09 # lol. 23.00.32 Nick filR2 is now known as filR (n=filR2@cm66-94.liwest.at) 23.00.36 # patch is here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166 23.01.27 # thanks. 23.02.31 # i think i will try it out tomorrow. :) 23.02.46 # is the ipod 5g the only target with slow LCD code ? 23.03.17 # No, but the one where it hurts most 23.03.32 # (because the LCD is so large.... too large for a DAP imho) 23.03.39 # ok, thanks 23.03.55 # * filR likes his 5g screen. :( 23.03.58 # Too big for music, and too small for video... 23.04.13 # video .. now that is a pointless feature. 23.06.37 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 23.06.44 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.06.48 # linuxstb: Do you know the archos AV700... that is a video screen size where it starts to be fun. 23.06.58 # But already too large to be really portable 23.07.43 # but when or where would one watch videos on a portable device (and not a laptop)? 23.08.26 # Video on the small screens is imho a nice gimmick, even usable a bit. But far from the 'must have' it seems to be according to the request we get 23.08.58 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496718C.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.09.02 # I think if I had video I'd use it on the 3 hour ferry trips I have to make quite regularly 23.09.13 # But it isn't a killer feature at all for me 23.09.36 # the screen is kind of small to watch a movie 23.09.38 # filR: * longer runtime than a laptop. * less hassle 23.09.43 # i agree. now if you could stream tv/videos onto your portable device on the other hand (eg. on your cell phone) .. 23.09.53 # amiconn: true. 23.09.56 # The AV700 has a TV tuner 23.10.19 # nice. 23.10.47 # analog TV or DVB-T ? 23.11.22 Part barrywardell 23.11.24 # DVB-T 23.11.46 # i have even seen cell phones with tv tuners (dvb i believe). 23.11.54 # http://www.archos.com/products/tv_centric/av_700TV/index.html?country=us&lang=en&culture=us-en 23.11.59 # that's neat :) 23.12.26 # country=us ... do they have DVB-T in the USA ? 23.12.45 # I've switched to english before posting the link 23.13.57 # dionoea: No, they have their own digital terrestrial TV system - ATSC 23.14.21 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-156-23-181.asm.bellsouth.net) 23.16.51 # The AV700 looks interesting though - capturing the original DVB-T transport streams is a nice feature. 23.18.15 Quit JazzBone ("User is away.") 23.18.36 # dionoea: RED... 23.18.52 # RED what ? 23.19.12 # Red builds 23.19.17 # apparently after 3 hours of being turned off, my iriver has drained 7% of its battery 23.19.20 # ouch 23.20.02 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 23.20.17 # Monochrome targets abviously cannot set foreground/background.... 23.20.28 # i'm fixing it :) 23.21.05 # can anyone tell me whether rockbox even technically can have anything to do with the battery drainage while the device is turned off? 23.21.25 # I'm not trying to blame anybody, I just want to know if my battery is dying on me. 23.21.42 # I never noticed this drainage before I installed Rockbox, but that could be a coincidence. 23.21.59 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.181.209) 23.23.05 # pekuja: no it can't 23.23.59 # pekuja, i could have sworn RB had not fully shut off on me once and caused my batt to drain, but hasn't happened since 23.24.23 # amiconn: should be fixed now (tested on recorder sim). Thanks 23.24.41 # (you should have a bot that reports failed builds here) 23.25.04 # well, you should always check the build page after commits 23.25.28 # imho 23.25.32 # gamerD00d, interesting 23.25.33 # :) 23.25.46 # anyways, I'm suspecting the battery is dying 23.26.04 # I wish there was a definite way of knowing that though :-/ 23.26.27 # are the batteries on these things (iriver h3xx) replacable? 23.27.03 # pekuja: yep 23.27.31 # at least u can "upgrade" it to one with higher capacity 23.27.32 # pekuja 23.27.35 # a way to test 23.27.43 # is to boot either into disk mode or original firmware 23.27.53 # what's disk mode? 23.28.00 # i say diskmode assuming you're talking about an ipod, sorry 23.28.15 # hmn 23.28.19 # are you talking about an ipod? 23.28.26 # no, I'm talking about an iriver 23.28.32 # k, then disregard that 23.28.40 # try the original firmware again is all i can suggest 23.29.08 # pekuja: but reset its settings from the menu 23.29.10 # i did hear from the devs at one point that the implementation on some devices isn't thorough for charging due to not fully understanding some of the pins 23.29.27 # Bger, which settings? 23.29.41 # the original firmware's settings 23.29.51 # rockbox messes them sometimes 23.30.24 # ? never heard of such a thing, however i only have ipod experience with RB 23.31.15 # gamerD00d: i'm talking about iriver h3xx 23.31.35 # dionoea: green 23.31.45 # Bger: yeah, i saw that :) 23.31.47 # thanks :p 23.32.19 # anyway 23.32.20 # nite 23.32.24 Quit Bger ("Leaving") 23.32.27 # damn, what was the method for booting to the original firmware? ;-/ 23.32.38 # ah, never mind 23.35.31 # ipod mini is supposed to be a 4level gray LCD right ? 23.36.43 Quit dpassen1 () 23.36.55 # Yes. 23.37.12 # the sim is b&w 23.37.28 # i'll check that i provided the right configure options 23.37.29 # No it's not (at least it shouldn't) 23.38.33 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.38.46 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 23.39.45 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-129-001.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.40.46 # hum ... /me forgot to run make install which explains why it was still showing the old plugin's b&w version 23.45.14 # crap 23.45.22 # * barrywardell looks at his bricked h10 23.45.47 # whoa, what's going on? 23.45.47 # :) 23.46.06 # dunno, just can't get the disk to mount any more 23.46.26 # i suspect maybe a corrupt partition 23.46.44 # my computer still detects the device and partition but can't mount it 23.47.25 # tried remaking the fs? 23.47.41 # i'm gonna try 23.48.09 # should i just try run fdisk and see if i can get it working? 23.48.42 # well if the partition is there, what's fdisk gonna help you with? 23.48.54 # I was more thinking of doing a fresh mkfs 23.49.01 # on the partition 23.49.08 # i'll try that first 23.53.16 Join webguest38 [0] (n=50299044@labb.contactor.se) 23.53.39 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@187.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 23.54.48 # Hi - does anyone know if there's a manual for 3g iPods? 23.55.09 # afaik, there isn't (yet) 23.55.15 # but try the 4g one 23.55.30 # they should be more or less identical anyway afaick 23.55.32 Join crave [0] (i=PsywareI@host172-12.pool8258.interbusiness.it) 23.55.37 # Thanks - is it worth reading the manual for 4g etc? 23.55.46 # I think so 23.55.53 # Cool, thanks! 23.56.10 # no luck with mkfs 23.56.21 # it can't find any partitions 23.56.27 # ah 23.56.44 # then fdisk sounds required 23.56.53 # just tried fdisk - "Unable to open /dev/sda" 23.57.06 Quit crave (Client Quit) 23.57.25 # and dmesg says it is sda? 23.57.36 Quit _Lucretia_ ("Leaving") 23.58.38 # yeah, but there are a load of buffer I/O errors