--- Log for 30.07.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 5 hours ago 00.00.09 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.00.23 # I dont use autoresume because of if i put my archos in my backpack, pocket, or something, if it turns on, the idle poweroff wont set in 00.00.48 # and it really isnt hard to just press "on" once you start the unit up 00.01.16 # Yeah, especially if you have rockbox in flash 00.01.51 # they don't have a hold button? 00.01.53 # Then you can just tap ON-ON. Rockbox will catch the second ON press and queue it until it's ready to resume 00.02.04 # Mikachu: nope 00.02.26 # they come in handy 00.02.39 # I don't miss hold on the archos 00.02.48 # i dont either 00.02.53 # On H300 it's also not strictly necessary 00.03.03 # The H1x0 and the ipods absolutely need it 00.03.19 # (and I _hate_ it) 00.03.27 # Well, on Ondio would be useful 00.03.28 # one of the crazy things i did was move volume setting from wps to the quick screen 00.04.27 # why the ipods, amiconn? 00.04.36 # ah. well.. the wheel.. never mind. 00.04.39 # :) 00.04.59 # Genre9mp3: I also don't miss hold on Ondio. The only annoying thing (accidentally starting to record radio) was solved by introducing a double click 00.05.08 # actually, the inside of my pocket doesn't affect the wheel, i can even scroll it with my finger through the fabric 00.05.19 # Really? 00.05.29 # yeah, my jeans pocket 00.05.36 # I sometimes can't even scroll the wheel with my finger... 00.05.41 # heh 00.05.48 # ...without something in between 00.06.12 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.06.12 # * amiconn hates the wheel and the hold switch 00.06.42 # Well, to tell you the truth, I haven't used Ondio much, yet... but since it's tiny enough to put in a jeans pocket, I imagine that a hold switch would be useful 00.07.12 # * Genre9mp3 wonders why amiconn hates the hold switch 00.07.32 # Why? Because it's always on when I don't expect it to be on... 00.07.33 # I totally understand about the wheel though! :P 00.07.39 # heh 00.09.53 # committer number 57 was just added 00.13.53 Join webguest46 [0] (n=54996aac@labb.contactor.se) 00.14.03 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-35-120.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.14.24 # number 57 huh, well he can start with this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808 :)) 00.15.29 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@187.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 00.15.32 Quit secleinteer () 00.16.00 Part webguest46 00.16.46 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.18.12 # cvs co rockbox;cd rockbox-build; make; make zip; cd /mnt/ipod; unzip .../rockbox.zip; : Data abort at 01f05838 :( 00.19.01 # pwned 00.19.28 # s/play file/play ogg file/ (gcc 4.0.3), worked before update 00.20.04 # you don't have a rockbox.X file both in / and in /.rockbox or something? 00.20.13 # will check 00.21.42 # nope 00.23.15 # ls: http://pastebin.ca/105784 00.23.41 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 00.24.00 # freqmod: That address is in a codec. What music files are you playing? 00.24.21 # [00:19] s/play file/play ogg file/ (gcc 4.0.3), worked before update 00.26.20 # Can you look up that address in rockbox-build/apps/codecs/vorbis.map and tell us which function it is in? 00.28.14 Quit deltron (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.28.18 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.28.23 # no, not found (vorbis .map: http://pastebin.ca/105820 ), I will get a new adress 00.29.18 # 01F05838 00.29.48 # that is the same 00.29.51 # According to your vorbis.map, it's towards the end of the ogg_sync_create() function. 00.31.21 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 00.31.33 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 00.32.19 # http://pastebin.ca/105826 ? 00.37.18 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-90-57.dsl.pipex.com) 00.37.23 # Yes, but I think the problem must be elsewhere. But I don't know the vorbis codec at all. 00.38.46 # it does not seem that the vorbis codec has changed since it worked :/ 00.40.06 # (it worked after 2006.07.25) 00.40.21 # The last change in Tremor happened 4 days ago 00.40.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/Tremor/sharedbook.c.diff?r1=1.5&r2=1.6&sortby=date 00.41.03 # 2006.07.25 00.43.06 # speex crashed in ogg_stream_pagein 00.43.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.43.37 # Strange.... 00.43.46 # I get different addresses in my .map 00.44.03 # could someone (else) test ipod with latest cvs? 00.44.12 # While this is for a different ipod, the codec addresses should be all the same, shouldn't they? 00.44.43 # re 00.45.01 # as (AFAIK) all ipods (except 60GB's) is run with 32 MB memory i think so 00.45.13 # freqmod: arm-elf-gcc -v ? 00.45.18 # Mine is 4.0.3 00.46.09 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.46.11 # http://pastebin.ca/105837 (3.0.2) 00.46.14 # ehh 4.0.3 00.46.49 Join pixelma [0] (n=54bd6c13@labb.contactor.se) 00.47.31 # host:x86_64 00.47.58 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 00.48.20 # My vorbis.map matches freqmod - for my ipod Color with arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 00.48.34 # (x86 Linux host) 00.48.36 # Strange... I compared your .map with mine 00.48.58 # They start to differ at ov_pcm_seek_page() 00.49.03 # cygwin here 00.49.12 # Different linking order? 00.49.17 # Nope 00.49.53 # my ov_pcm_seek_page() has a size of 0x9f0 bytes. freqmod's has a size of 0xa20 bytes 00.50.10 # rockbox (not pure cvs) won't reboot when usb is inserted & codec (that works) is playing, but clicks work when the usb cable is removed again 00.52.43 # i think the simplest way to fix it is to download old revisions of cvs and check when it works again 00.56.42 # Hmm. When building on debian-amd64 I get the same vorbis.map as freqmod 00.59.49 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.00.17 # * freqmod checks out cvs from 25.07.2006 01.02.34 Join webguest78 [0] (n=54996aac@labb.contactor.se) 01.03.01 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp44-247.adsl.forthnet.gr) 01.03.49 # jdGordon, is your insert random patch going to be committed ? 01.04.10 # hopefully.. i dunno 01.04.39 # is your online build system up and runing ? 01.05.32 # no 01.05.52 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC") 01.05.53 Join pixelma [0] (n=54bd6c13@labb.contactor.se) 01.06.26 Part webguest78 01.06.35 Join webguest26 [0] (n=d5771b22@labb.contactor.se) 01.07.08 Quit webguest26 (Client Quit) 01.09.25 # * freqmod checks out cvs from 28.07.2006 (25.07.2006 works, with cleaned .rockbox folder) 01.11.03 # Odd... 01.11.48 # vorbis.codec binaries built under Linux (both x86 and amd64) become 52 bytes larger than those built under cygwin 01.11.58 Quit grimman ("-=[ ReaperScript ]=-") 01.12.00 # Same gcc version, plain cvs 01.13.04 # I don't think that's supposed to happen. 01.13.08 # haha wierd... 01.13.14 # does t happen for any other files? 01.13.16 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 01.13.27 # JdGordon: Maybe... didn't check 01.13.45 # did you do a bindiff? 01.14.00 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.14.05 # I checked vorbis.map 01.14.38 # It's the same binutils version (2.16.1) and the same gcc version (4.0.3) 01.21.12 Quit TucknDar () 01.24.42 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC") 01.24.44 Join pixelma [0] (n=54bd6c13@labb.contactor.se) 01.26.19 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 01.27.36 # have someone tried to reproduce the bug with cleaned .rockbox directory and make fullzip 01.28.51 # s/have/has/ 01.29.03 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@adsl-70-237-200-234.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 01.30.15 # hey, i'm having problems w/ songs skipping in today's build for the ipod photo 01.30.18 # is there a fix for this? 01.35.20 # * freqmod can play ogg files (on ipod) when .rockbox is made from scratch 01.36.56 # ok........ 01.37.22 # * freqmod recomends to use yesterday's build if that worked 01.38.22 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp143-231.adsl.forthnet.gr) 01.39.06 # i just started using rockbox today 01.39.33 # what kind of files are skipping? 01.39.37 # mp3's 01.40.07 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 01.40.17 # which bitrate? 01.40.54 # lemme check 01.41.18 # 320 kbps 01.43.01 # maybe to high bitrate, check with a 128kbps file, if that works then the mp3 decoder is to slow for the ipod processor, it has to be more optimized, which ain't likely as it is already quite optimized. 01.43.32 # it works just fine with the apple os - is there a reason it's not possible w/ rockbox? 01.43.49 # the ipod code isnt ptimized much yet 01.43.55 # k 01.44.35 # and how do you make a rockbox font? 01.44.51 # windows or linux? 01.44.56 # or mac? 01.45.38 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 01.45.42 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.45.45 # windows 01.46.09 # windows or (preferably) linux: download fontforge and use convbdf from the rockbox tools directory in the source (compiled with cygwin) 01.46.27 # fontforge writes bdf files (and reads at least ttf files) 01.46.54 # and .fnt files 01.46.59 # well before that, is there a font for rockbox that is similar to tahoma size 9 on the computer? 01.47.15 # there is a zip with a heap of fontz ont he download page 01.47.22 # the daily builds page i mean 01.47.34 # i know 01.47.37 # i've got that 01.48.17 # but tahoma 9 is so amazing, i wanted to see if i could get it :D 01.48.49 # or tahoma any size actually 01.49.45 Quit Kohlriba ("Quit") 01.49.57 # but it seems that currently the closest is "helvR12" 01.52.04 Quit Poka64 ("nite") 01.56.08 # What tool makes the 16-bit bitmaps? Neither paint nor my version of photoshop do it. 02.02.30 Quit josh_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.09.16 Quit thegeek (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.09.48 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 02.14.20 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 02.17.28 # who reckons ill get in toruble if i change the current buttons pretty drastically for the ondio? :D 02.17.34 Quit thegeek (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.17.58 # i reckon i wouldn't care :) 02.18.04 # but then i don't have an ondio 02.18.06 # he he he 02.18.25 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 02.19.47 # well ye, i dont have an ondio either, but noone else is volunteering to figure out the key combinations :D 02.22.13 # does anyone in here have an ondio? 02.28.50 # hmm... there is a problem in the recorder manual 02.29.15 # it says hold-on in the wps is both show pitch screen and show context menu? 02.32.03 Quit secleinteer () 02.32.57 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@adsl-70-237-200-234.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 02.33.29 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.33.51 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.34.12 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.43.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.48.56 Quit TCK (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.53.50 Join jimmah [0] (n=aj@HSE-Montreal-ppp124205.qc.sympatico.ca) 03.01.11 # I'm experiencing a very weird problem... I had some recordings (14,7GB total) that I transfered from my player to PC. After that, the free space isn't right (it says 5,6GB and it should say 16,2GB) The thing is that I deleted "Recycled" and "System Volume Information" folders from the player (using Rockbox) and also disabled Trash Can from WinXP 03.01.49 # Now, Windows show 16.2GB free space (as it should) but Rockbox keep saying 5.6GB... any ideas what is wrong? 03.03.02 # It's a known problem that Windows doesn't update the free space info on the disk. There's an option in Rockbox update it, but I forget where it is... 03.04.13 # Hmmm...but Rockbox is the one that shows it wrong 03.05.02 # Yes - because Rockbox reads the value that should be correct in the FAT32 filesystem. Windows doesn't write the correct value there. 03.05.41 # I see.... 03.05.52 # * Genre9mp3 searches through the menu 03.06.01 # Thanx linuxstb 03.06.32 # I've got a feeling it's hidden in the "disk info" screen - you press a button to make Rockbox update the free space info. Let me check the source.... 03.07.12 # Found it! 03.07.14 # :) 03.07.28 # You just have to press play in Rockbox Info screen! 03.07.43 # Now it shows 16.2GB! 03.08.09 # Phew... 03.08.34 # For a moment I thought that I downgraded my H340 to H330! 03.08.51 # Again, thank you linuxstb 03.09.01 # It's always nice to learn new things 03.09.14 # I just hang around here too much... 03.11.15 # :) 03.11.47 Quit joe2 (Remote closed the connection) 03.14.08 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 03.15.07 Join lamed [0] (n=59007618@labb.contactor.se) 03.17.11 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 03.17.32 # hey linuxstb, do you have an ondio? 03.22.24 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 03.24.39 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.25.40 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 03.27.00 Quit jimmah ("Leaving") 03.27.30 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.32.39 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 03.35.30 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 03.37.36 Join lamed [0] (n=59006cab@labb.contactor.se) 03.37.41 # hey guys! thank you for granting me a cvs write access! I'm very short on time (I should be sleeping really) and I want to try out my abilities... I'm about to submit #4761, I believe there are no objections that I should know about before I submit? 03.38.39 # what is it? *checks* 03.38.46 # congrats, btw :) 03.39.15 # * JdGordon is jelous :p 03.39.22 # whats 4761? 03.39.24 # sounds good. make sure he's added to the credits.. 03.39.30 # JdGordon: lots of pause-on-hold patches for games. 03.39.41 # oh, nice 03.39.46 # long overdue :) 03.40.02 # :DDD:D:D::D 03.41.11 # is that morse-code smileys? 03.42.44 # midkay: take a l00k athe code, i think it's ok to assign button = QUIT; wouldn't you agree? it's not hackish? I've seen this around the morse code. 03.43.31 # which code? 03.43.44 # did you give the the right FS#? i see a lot of simple patches for game pausing. 03.43.49 # not sure which you mean, if os. 03.43.50 # so* 03.43.59 # at the end of 4761, the bundle. 03.44.19 # aha.. 03.44.50 # yes, that's fine.. quite a simple way to deal with it. :) 03.44.59 # have you tested it? 03.48.18 # well, i wrote it. 03.48.22 # then yeah 03.48.51 # but it was a long time ago, i'm actually fidelling around updating my cvs with no suceess atm 03.48.55 # you did? 03.49.01 # that's you?! :) 03.49.26 # & lukas guy that I should credit 03.49.56 # yes, if he wrote it or helped with it. 03.50.02 # he started out working on it before me although I gave the idea for the patch... but i end up with a simpler way 03.50.55 # :( why ho why can't i update my repository 03.51.33 # so you're committing his patch or your own code 03.51.33 # ? 03.51.39 # cvs up -dP doesn't work? 03.57.15 # the last patch is mostly my own code, but what does it matters..? for some reason cvs update hangs. but I can download a new repository. midkay do you know your way around commiting commands? 03.57.50 # lamed: i just didn't really understand what you meant by saying he wrote the code but you ended up with a simpler way.. *shrugs* 03.58.04 # yes, i know the usage of commit.. 03.58.16 # dunno about the update thing.. *weird* 03.58.20 Join webguest89 [0] (n=3ff6dd75@labb.contactor.se) 04.00.10 Quit webguest89 (Client Quit) 04.00.21 # I ment my way was just checking if hold switch is on, and if it was, then just change the button to pause. he used some other technic. how do I commit a bunch of files? If i got it right, the -r flag is automatically set, so i should just 'cvs commit -m "blah blah thanks to blah blah " ' and everything that I changed in the repository will be commited? 04.00.49 Join webguest30 [0] (n=3ff6dd75@labb.contactor.se) 04.01.44 # can someone help me 04.01.51 # hmm.. probably not the best way. i'd just do cvs commit -m "Patch #whatever by whoever, adds pause on hold functionality etc etc" apps/plugins/snake.c apps/plugins/snake2.c .... 04.02.23 # lamed: if you've changed anything else you don't want that to get committed too.. i just personally prefer to be more specific about the files committed. 04.02.29 # im kinda new to rockbox and i would like to know how to add patches 04.02.44 # webguest30: we have docs on setting up a compiler and patching. check the wiki. 04.03.12 # thanks 04.03.19 # sure. 04.03.42 # midkay. I haven't seen it documented, but I assume you mean 'cvs commit apps/plugins/brickmania.c /firmware/usb.c' for example? 04.03.42 Quit webguest30 (Client Quit) 04.04.02 # what I mean was, specifying every file? 04.04.05 # forget the "/" before "firmware" but that works, yes. 04.04.06 # yeah. right. 04.04.11 # that's just the way i prefer to do it.. 04.04.22 # small risk of committing other nonrelated changes if you just "commit everything that's different". 04.04.27 # midkay, what's your cvs name? 04.04.50 # hm. "midkay" i believe.. 04.05.09 # no. "midk". 04.08.24 # ... you might help me with that one. there's a way I could download and extract a repository from the site, and then tell cvs to make the CVS entries files, do you know it? 04.09.08 # cvs entries files? not sure what you mean, or unfamiliar with it.. 04.10.41 # there's a CVS folder in every folder under your repository tree. I don't think I could 'cvs commit' without that folder, becuase then CVS doesn't know whether I have a newer version then the server repository or not. 04.11.13 # and I can't update my repository for some reason... so i'm trying to avoid the problem 04.11.32 # oh, did you check out the repository without logging in? 04.11.46 # you need to make sure you're logged in whilst you check out cvs or you won't be able to commit it, i've had that problem before. 04.12.06 # doesn't, like, associate the checkout with the username (if you checked out with anonymous and tried to commit with your cvs username). 04.12.20 # i'd just recheckout, dunno how else to get around that. 04.12.40 # i guess that'd stop update from working also, makes sense. 04.13.40 # I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, and thats because I haven't 'checked out' and i don't know what that means... 04.14.03 # (because I never 'checked out') 04.14.13 # cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox [or rockbox-devel] 04.14.28 # 'co' there == check out. just means downloading the repository. 04.14.36 # you did that at one point, right? 04.14.42 # of course :) 04.14.46 # just after 04.15.03 # make sure you login and instead of "anonymous" you use e.g. "lamed". 04.15.04 # cvs -d:pserver:lamed@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login 04.15.17 # :) 04.15.26 # right, enter password, then do the checkout bit, you should have all the stuff, apply the patch + commit ought to work :) 04.15.48 # actually, I done that, but some files where just skipped :( 04.15.58 # just needs to be committed from source you've checked out from the "lamed" username instead of "anonymous" if you checked it out before you got cvs access. 04.16.05 # nah wait 04.16.22 # now it seems ok, let me have a look 04.17.52 # ah. :) 04.20.33 # ah, I get it, chmod proble, 04.20.44 # no write access 04.21.20 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 04.21.49 # ah. 04.22.52 # hehe 'chmod 777 -R * ' I'm not playing any games.... 04.23.10 # haha. 04.23.13 # :) 04.23.49 # bah. I still can't patch. 04.23.59 # (: 04.24.00 # i got as up as -p5 04.24.01 # :(* 04.24.15 # not familiar with those commands.. 04.24.32 # patch -p5 < holdswtich I'm sure you know this one 04.24.38 # no.. 04.24.46 # i always just do patch < whatever.patch usually. 04.25.11 # then you can't use it on multiple files 04.25.23 # multiple files? 04.25.27 # really dunno how that works. 04.25.37 # i mean.. i do it manually by giving it the files to patch.. 04.25.44 # i usually end up just doing it totally manually. 04.25.49 # adding+removing lines from the source files. 04.26.04 # -p0 tells patch to use the /tree structure. -p1 will crop the rightmost directory. 04.26.39 # ah. 04.29.08 # but my patchfile was missing that tag, so i simply used it without -p0 ... lol 04.30.05 # * midkay is already rather lost :) 04.36.06 # thanks so much for your help! 04.36.13 Quit hannesd_ (Connection reset by peer) 04.36.32 # np, got it working? :) 04.38.39 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 04.39.00 # fixing wormlet atm 04.39.04 # builing a sim 04.39.56 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@HSE-Toronto-ppp301410.sympatico.ca) 04.40.11 # cool. :) 04.43.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.44.42 # midkay: how do i mount my h120 player under linux? (vmware but it's the same), the interface is recognized. 04.45.23 # lamed: i haven't the least idea.. i don't let vmware detect it at all, just copy from the vmware image's samba network server thing to your iPod in windows. 04.45.26 # er, iriver. 04.45.26 # :) 04.47.13 # just trying to do things the right way so i could move to linux more easily, that's the overall goal 04.47.57 # what players do you own? (for testing) 04.48.05 # (that patch) 04.48.07 # i wouldn't consider vmware the "right way" tbh, I never had success mounting my ipod - not sure if it's a vmware thing or just a lack of linux knowledge - maybe you can mount it somehow. it's probably something like /dev/sdb1.. 04.48.12 # i have an iPod 5G. 04.48.54 # it's probably verrrry easy to mount it. IPODs has hold switch? 04.49.10 # hm, dunno, and yes, they do. 04.49.11 # :) 04.49.41 # although i can't really test it right now unless it's imperative, i'd have to locate the ipod and the cable.. 04.49.46 # can I send a button hold to the simulator without gdbugging it? 04.54.56 # working! submitting now! 04.54.59 # hmm, no idea. 04.55.03 # cool. :) 04.55.08 # congrats on access+first commit then :) 04.55.22 # :DDDDDDDDD 04.56.04 # i can't cvs diff to a file so i'll probably have trouble committing. 04.57.39 # any reasonably modern linux will automount the ipod for you 04.57.42 # hm.. 04.57.47 # if you must do it manually, it's /dev/sdb2 not sdb1 04.58.05 # because ipods use partition number 2 for data 04.59.23 # quite possible, i have quite little knowledge as to how linux works in that aspect :) 04.59.25 # and most others. 04.59.55 # midkay, i shouldn't get: 04.59.56 # CVS: Modified Files: 05.00.02 # CVS: apps/FILES apps/Makefile apps/README apps/SOURCES 05.00.05 # CVS: apps/abrepeat.c apps/abrepeat.h apps/action.h 05.00.16 # and all the other files in RB 05.00.31 # the usual strategy is to look in /var/log/messages for something like 05.00.32 # Vendor: Apple Model: iPod Rev: 1.62 05.00.32 # SCSI device sda: 7999488 512-byte hdwr sectors (4096 MB) 05.01.08 # that confirms the drive device (sda), and then you can do "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to see which partition is the correct one 05.01.17 # should I? 05.01.34 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACAE2998.ipt.aol.com) 05.05.05 Join jimmah [0] (n=aj@HSE-Montreal-ppp124205.qc.sympatico.ca) 05.05.20 # lamed: i never do.. 05.05.39 # you did "cvs commit -m "whatever" apps/plugins/snake.c apps/plugins/snake2.c apps/plugins/wormlet.c" etc? 05.06.53 # nope. I just cvs commit, but it doesn't seems right so now I did it your way. (without the -m flag). where do I put my comment? just write it down without a CVS: at the beggining? 05.07.44 # no.. 05.07.52 # cvs commit -m "comment here" files/here 05.08.29 # no, if you don't -m, it opens up an editor for you. i guess you don't know what I mean? 05.09.06 # do -m and that lets you do the comment inline.. 05.09.16 # i do know what you mean, but why not just do -m? 05.09.26 # -m means "a comment follows".. 05.09.47 # i don't really know how it works when it opens an editor, i always just do -m "whatever i wanna say" apps/whatever/whatever.c 05.11.34 # yeyyyy!!!! 05.11.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-07-30%2003:10:30.html 05.12.10 # lamed: yaay, nice. :D 05.13.10 # thank you!!! and don't be afraid of using the editor, it's like I thought it is... weee!! I can't believe I just made my 05.13.39 # first change as a developer :))) mom is going to be so proud! 05.13.52 # haha, hm.. i don't mind inline comments.. either way works fine :D no problem, glad it's working for you.. must seem a bit confusing at first.. you've figured it out though. :) 05.13.54 # hahaha. 05.13.55 # :D 05.16.07 # now I'm waiting for a totally RED BUILD TABLE.... (don't jinks it) 05.16.37 # haha. the anticipation is great. 05.16.37 # :) 05.16.58 # nope, didn't change a thing. :) 05.17.04 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.17.40 # but it has! 05.17.55 # ipod 4g gray sim? 05.18.09 # am i looking at the wrong place? 05.18.10 # these are on-and-off errors that are specific to the server that compiled it :\ 05.18.18 # ah! TT! 05.18.31 # it would appear you introduced a problem but it's just something to do with a build server, maybe out of date or wrong versions of GCC or something. 05.18.48 # they're unrelated errors so they aren't your fault :) 05.19.02 # nevertheless ought to be fixed sooner or later.. 05.19.17 # mmm. i'm happy to hear that ... because the error was in midi and I haven't touched that at all... 05.19.38 # yeah, generally if it's in something you haven't touched or something that doesn't for example use anything you've touched it's not your fault.. 05.19.50 # shouldn't be hard, just look at the error and see if it references anything you've done. 05.20.21 # e.g. if you change a plugin library, all the plugins using the library might break due to a problem with your code, but it might not necessarily give an error on the library itself. 05.21.18 # midkay thanks again for your help and advice :) now I only have 3 hours to sleep (and it's already is 6 am) 05.22.00 # * lamed looks at his name under the who tab on the build table :DDD 05.22.35 # ouch :) 05.22.39 # haha. yeah.. congrats again, have fun :) 05.22.45 # now sleep, it's necessary. :) 05.22.50 # we don't want you dead! :) 05.23.04 # I can't believe I haven't made any mistakes without any sleep :) 05.23.32 # haha. 05.23.35 # you will soon enough :D 05.23.41 # hehehe 05.23.45 # cya! 05.23.54 # seeya. :) 05.23.56 # sleep well! 05.23.57 Quit lamed ("my bed time!") 05.25.15 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=Terinjok@static-66-173-222-219.dsl.cavtel.net) 05.26.02 # heya, I just put IpodLinux on my nano, i'm happy with it, is there anything in rockbox that might make me use it? 05.27.10 # hrm, seems i justed missed midkay 05.27.19 # oy.. 05.27.37 # the logs said you quit 05.27.43 # no, lamed quit.. 05.27.44 # :) 05.28.06 # hrm, so you see my statement above ^ 05.28.26 # Because it's late at night and I don't have the energy to look. 05.28.28 # um.. you'd probably want iPodLinux for "cool" "very nice looking" themes and some games like the gameboy emulator.. 05.28.34 # Does Rockbox support FLAC? 05.28.38 # you'd want rockbox for music playback.. 05.28.53 # for something that works and works well for music (and we do have plenty of plugins like games and demos and apps). 05.28.54 # Landus: yes. 05.29.15 # mp3, ogg, flac, ac3, wav, wavpack.. and several more. 05.29.29 # I'm tempted to convert all my music into FLAC. 05.29.40 # hrm, well i was hoping for some screenshots, and it seems the supprt here is nice (i'm a noob at linux, and as such, support is limited for iPL) 05.29.49 # Does anyone know the sizes compared to Ogg Vorbis. 05.29.54 # Which is smaller? 05.30.04 # Terinjokes: we'll help you with anything rockbox-related as best we can.. 05.30.13 # Landus: much bigger, since it's lossless. 05.30.24 # Okay. 05.30.24 # probably instead of maybe 4mb for a few minute song you'd have 20-30mb.. 05.30.26 # hrm, does it work on the 2GB iPod Nano? 05.30.40 # Terinjokes: yes, all nanos. 05.30.43 # screenshots.. hm.. wait. 05.30.49 # Let's take a single CD consisting of 11 tracks and about four minutes long for each song. 05.31.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano shows off plenty of themes you can download. 05.31.04 # Take a guess on how big each file encoded in FLAC would be? 05.31.13 # cool,so does this wipe out the factory Apple OS, or does it simply hide it like iPL? 05.31.16 # landus: in FLAC probably around 20-25mb. 05.31.26 # :( 05.31.39 # Terinjokes: well, "hides" it, but you can always access it by holding MENU when you start up. 05.31.41 # Guess I'll just use FLAC for preserving CD's. 05.31.52 # Now, to get Replaygain tags for Ogg Vorbis working. 05.31.56 # Landus: unless you're in it for the lossless factor (you really care about retaining quality) you should stay with maybe mp3 or ogg.. 05.32.14 # Ew. Not mp3. 05.32.20 # so, rockbox will work with iTunes? 05.32.30 # Uh. 05.32.31 # .. alright.. 05.32.33 # No. Not really. 05.32.33 # :) 05.32.42 # It's much easier to use Winamp. 05.32.44 # Terinjokes: nah, not .. exactly.. 05.32.52 # Or just drag and drop into G: 05.33.00 # Or whatever drive your iPod shows up as. 05.33.04 # Landus...mac user 05.33.12 # Terinjokes: you can either copy files to your iPod with file structure that you want, or you can continue using iTunes and use rockbox's tag database to build a db of all your files browsable by ID3 tags. 05.33.24 # Then whatever represents your iPod. 05.33.44 # Anyway, the only thing mp3 has going for them is MP3Gain. 05.33.53 # Replaygain with Ogg Vorbis is a pain. 05.34.02 # I've been doing this when I get a CD. 05.34.07 # Rip to mp3 05.34.12 # Run MP3Gain. 05.34.14 # Remove the tags. 05.34.19 # Convert to Ogg Vorbis. 05.34.24 # midkay, so i can just use select+play like I am now to get to "Disk Mode" and use iTunes that why, and it should work, no? 05.34.28 # Now I see that Rockbox supports Replaygain tags. 05.34.45 # and I find that I can't use MP3Gain to add Replaygain tags to Ogg Vorbis. 05.35.16 # And there's only a badly written comand like program that gets 0 stars in flexibility that works with Replaygain in Ogg Vorbis. 05.35.25 # 05.35.39 # Terinjokes: select+play still works, sure.. yes, itunes will work that way, right. 05.35.56 # then you need to update rockbox's own database whenever you update with iTunes - that may or may not happen automatically - and then you're good to go. 05.36.01 # Landus: ah.. 05.36.12 # Landus: haha. good luck then :) 05.36.20 # I'll need it. 05.36.40 # cool, well, lets see how rockbox rolls...i've used Apple OS for one day, linux for one day, and now Rockbox, and tomorrow, it will be one day 05.37.23 # Terinjokes: cool. it mostly boils down to whether you want games and cool graphical effects and stuff, or software that has lots of music-playback-related functionality and sounds great. 05.38.40 # um...well...i'm really in it for the customisation....EVERYONE has this default ipod thing going on, and iPL isn't helping me support wise very much 05.38.57 # iPodLinux pretty much includes music playback as an afterthought once all the themes/games/demonstrations are done.. it's not very good for playing music or doing much worthwhile. 05.39.40 # iPL is quite complicated, rockbox is rather themable but not to such an extent, you can customize your font and backdrop and entire while-playing-screen, as well as a lot of other little UI things, but it might not look as pretty in the end depending on what you like. 05.39.49 # yes, i'm stuck using Podzilla (whatever that is) because everyone wants it to work on G5 first 05.40.20 # haha. 05.40.25 # hey, i'm take a G1 ipod theme over the nano's default 05.40.36 # haha. 05.41.21 Join saratoga [0] (n=4389d2be@labb.contactor.se) 05.41.47 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-81-255.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 05.41.53 # i swear, every ipod is the same, they all are in cute little sleeves, everyone has the same ugly headphones, all have music that is not organisations, video's i can't talk about, and that ugly aqua like thing 05.42.14 # is anyone here familar with rockbox profiling? 05.42.51 # Terinjokes: haha, i suppose - why'd you get one if you didn't want that? :) 05.43.05 # it was given to me 05.44.04 # * Terinjokes is uninstalling iPD 05.44.19 # ah, i see, i see :) 05.44.43 # i have several questions 05.44.48 # just like my mac was given to me 05.45.02 # haha. getting a lot of Apple stuff for free, hm? :) 05.45.10 # saratoga: i'm not really, but you could ask, maybe someone can help. 05.45.21 # basically, does "# Configure a developer build with profiling support." happen when I configure a developer build or is there more to it? 05.45.40 # i get google stuff for free to... 05.45.43 # midkay: I'll take what help i can get :) 05.46.13 # saratoga: haha, hm.. uh.. no idea at all. :) 05.46.19 # ah well 05.46.34 # i guess the main devs are already asleep 05.46.47 # grr...no one told me it has to be FAT32! 05.47.03 # I believe that is in the manual 05.47.28 # i just now read the wiki 05.48.36 # Terinjokes: there's a mac page.. 05.48.37 # wait. 05.48.56 # try this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX 05.49.14 # yes, doing the manual instructions 05.49.35 # but i can't seem to unmount the ipod 05.49.52 # is it ejected from itunes and not open anywhere etc? 05.50.22 # no, go down to here: ust managed it on my Nano from OSX, and it was horrible ( but worth it ). My tips : -- AndrewWatson - 27 Jun 2006 05.50.26 # on that wiki page 05.51.28 # hold on, never reboot after uninstalling linux 05.53.16 # jsjs. 05.53.18 # haha* 05.53.31 # javascript javascript 05.56.29 # hrm, anyway of formating the ipod to FAT32 on a mac? 05.57.35 Quit XavierGr () 05.57.40 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.57.41 # try and find a tool or googile.. 05.57.52 # hrm..getting kinda late 06.00.04 Quit Terinjokes () 06.04.05 # hey, does any1 know if using a black for the background color and white for text will drain the batteries faster than using a white background and black text? 06.04.38 # I don't think it makes a big difference 06.04.49 # though it probably uses a tiny bit more power 06.05.19 # ok 06.05.29 # because rockbox seems to be draining my batteries pretty fast 06.05.41 # no, it won't really change it noticeably at all.. 06.05.46 # ok 06.05.52 # yes, your battery life won't be as good as Apple firmware.. 06.06.06 # maybe 8-10 hours. it shouldn't be evident that you're draining that quicky within a few minutes of installation though.. 06.06.22 # my ipod is around a year old 06.06.36 # so it's already got an old battery 06.06.41 # that won't help matters, but it shouldn't be that bad. 06.06.46 # ok 06.06.53 # when did the nanos even come out in fact. 06.07.00 # i dont know 06.07.05 # i have an ipod photo 20 gig 06.07.16 # oh, confused you with someone else. :) 06.07.23 # oh lol 06.07.33 # wasn't sure why you were asking that :D 06.07.33 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 06.07.52 # :) 06.08.14 # do you think battery usage will be optimized in time? 06.08.31 # of course, it's an ongoing movement, it'll just keep improving, probably gradually. 06.08.46 # i hear that with other brands, rockbox is better than the default firmware 06.08.46 # the iPods are still in what you'd call beta stages for sure. 06.08.52 # yeah 06.08.58 # with all brands. battery life can be a problem on iPods though. 06.08.59 # :) 06.09.03 # yeah 06.09.09 # saw something on digg about that a few days ago 06.09.26 # the only problem i've run into with rockbox though is skipping in songs w/ high bitrates 06.09.29 # buy a new battery 06.09.32 # it makes a big difference 06.09.35 # how much are they? 06.09.39 # batteries lose capacity pretty fast 06.09.41 # make sure EQ and Crossfeed aren't on.. 06.09.45 # i dont think they are 06.09.49 # use a WPS with fewer images and certainly don't use peak meters.. 06.09.50 # my 3g battery was 10 USD shipped 06.09.51 # but my songs are 320 kbps mp3's 06.09.59 # that could be a problem. 06.10.03 # *shrugs* 06.10.04 # lol yeah 06.10.06 # it's not uncommon. 06.10.09 # songs that are like 192 are just fine 06.10.43 # is there any way for me to lower the bitrate on the fly instead of having to reencode everything? 06.10.48 # ah. 06.10.52 # no. 06.11.10 # http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-REPLACEMENT-BATTERY-400mAh-FOR-APPLE-iPOD-NANO_W0QQitemZ300011717832QQihZ020QQcategoryZ118261QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 06.11.20 # 9 dollars shipped to the US 06.11.22 # lol that's for a nano, saratoga 06.11.30 # i need a photo 06.11.32 # didn't he say nano? 06.11.33 # oh 06.11.39 # he thought it was nano :D 06.11.39 # well whatever, i doubt its a lot different 06.11.43 # prolly not 06.12.17 # midkay: what's a WPS? 06.12.44 # secleinteer: "while playing screen". 06.12.50 # it tells rockbox what to show when you're playing music. 06.12.55 # lol i use the default 06.12.58 # barebones as hell :D 06.13.05 # http://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-kit-3-7v-900mAh-for-iPod-4G-Photo-40-A115_W0QQitemZ280011991643QQihZ018QQcategoryZ118261QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 06.13.10 # 11 dolalrs 06.13.11 # get rid of it. it has peak meters. that's a problem. I think it does, unless it was changed. 06.13.18 # plus its larger then the stock battery 06.13.37 # saratoga: i'll look into that 06.13.41 # but i might wait a little longer 06.13.49 # i recommend it 06.13.52 # midkay: what WPS should i use instead? 06.13.54 # made a huge difference on my 3 g 06.14.00 # k 06.14.05 # does it last longer? 06.14.56 # is there any way to turn off peak meters in the default theme? 06.15.19 # secleinteer: edit it and remove "%pm". 06.15.29 # peak meters are a HUGE skipping factor. 06.16.29 # ok...which file? 06.16.50 # hmm.. 06.16.58 # try rockbox_default.wps.. 06.17.05 # not sure if it's empty or has stuff in it. 06.17.13 # look inside, in /.rockbox/wps/rockbox_default.pw 06.17.15 # wps* 06.17.25 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.17.52 Quit joe2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.17.55 # L:\.rockbox\wps\rockbox_default.wps says the following: 06.18.09 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181065066.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.19.03 Part secleinteer 06.19.08 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@adsl-70-237-200-234.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 06.19.09 # hold on 06.19.15 # had a little prob w/ mIRC 06.19.20 # # Dummy file to allow Rockbox to reset to the default WPS config. 06.19.20 # ah. 06.19.26 # # Dummy file to allow Rockbox to reset to the default WPS config. 06.19.27 # yeah. hm. 06.19.36 # damn still having probs with it 06.19.42 # # Dummy file to allow Rockbox to reset to the default WPS config. 06.19.43 # can you try another WPS maybe? 06.19.44 # wtf? 06.19.47 # i see it, i see it.. 06.19.50 # # Do not edit this file. It's never actually loaded by Rockbox. 06.19.53 # sorry 06.20.00 # it kept pasting the same thing over and over 06.20.02 # ah. :) 06.20.32 # what's a good barebones theme? 06.21.06 # check the wiki's WpsIriverH300 page. 06.21.41 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-200-139.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.22.41 # umm, what's the domain name of the wiki? :D 06.23.18 # wait. 06.23.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300 06.33.22 # Mad Big Sausage? 06.33.38 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.33.58 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=Terinjok@static-66-173-222-219.dsl.cavtel.net) 06.34.01 # midkay: which one should i get? 06.34.24 # well, i've decided to keep using iPL until i get to a windows box...thanks for you help 06.36.07 # any you like.. 06.43.10 Quit Terinjokes ("Spader (jamming) out, thanks iPD and Rockbox") 06.43.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.48.18 # trying again before bed: anyone here setup profiling support in Rockbox before? 06.57.29 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.02.48 # midkay: will color cause a slowdown as well? 07.04.33 # color? 07.04.45 # there isn't any non-color mode.. 07.04.55 # black is a color, white is a color, gray is a color, red is a color, blue is a color, etc. :) 07.05.13 # all just different intensities of RGB, so no, it's all the same.. 07.05.36 # if the color comes from images it can slow down a little bit but a few or even several images are fine.. 07.06.08 # ok thx 07.06.15 # sure. 07.06.38 Quit secleinteer () 07.16.26 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.187.79) 07.16.46 # back 07.16.50 # it seems to be working 07.16.52 # i used unicatcher, which i already have installed 07.16.55 # it looks nice, but no skipping 07.16.59 # now i have another question 07.17.04 # i have to use unifont for unicatcher 07.17.04 # right, peak meters are the problem. 07.17.10 # it's really big 07.17.26 # so i'm having problems when browsing artists/albums 07.17.31 # i couldn't get the id3 mode thing to work 07.17.34 # how do i do it? 07.17.44 # right. WPS' are designed around a font so you can't really switch. you just have to choose a WPS/theme that looks nice and has a good font from the start.. 07.17.51 # Did you build the database first? 07.17.58 # the tagcache thing? 07.18.20 # yeah.. 07.18.55 # i did an "intialize now".. is that it? 07.20.22 # ..? 07.20.47 # or do i need foobar and do that thing? 07.20.49 # yeah, i think so. 07.20.51 # no. 07.20.55 # ok 07.20.55 # initialize should be good.. 07.20.59 # what next? 07.21.07 # when it's done aka no more disk accessing and no icon in the upper right of the status bar.. 07.21.25 # restart the iPod, and then hold MENU to get in the quick screen, and press down a few times to get to ID3 Database view mode. 07.22.10 # think i got it :D 07.22.38 # nope :( 07.22.59 # it said something about tagcache, though, when i restarted 07.24.25 # know what's going on? 07.36.05 # i think i got it 07.36.32 # if push anything after "initialize now", it will make the little icon disappear 07.36.41 # so i'm just gonna wait 07.39.15 # nope, still didnt work 07.42.54 # you probably ought to not interrupt it.. 07.43.12 # i've got almost nothing on my ipod 07.43.18 # it shouldn't take that long 07.43.21 # try "update". 07.43.31 # unless it's looking at the files in my apple os? 07.44.14 # it looks at all the files, i don 07.44.21 # don't know what you mean by "the files in your apple os". 07.44.49 # the songs in /Ipod_control/Music 07.45.06 # yes, it looks at everything. 07.45.11 # why? is that a problem? 07.45.16 # yes 07.45.20 # i have like 8 gigs of songs in there 07.45.26 # will it be able to play those songs like normal then? 07.45.28 # they will be scanned without exception. 07.45.34 # it still shouldn't take very long, maybe a few minutes. 07.45.41 # because if it can play those songs, i don't need to reload anything 07.45.45 # yes, any song will be indexed and any indexed song will be playable. 07.46.03 # do i have to do the menu + down thing every time i start rockbox? 07.46.11 # menu+down? 07.46.25 # restart the iPod, and then hold MENU to get in the quick screen, and press down a few times to get to ID3 Database view mode. 07.46.47 # no, it will save your view mode as well as every Rockbox setting as soon as you shut down. 07.46.53 # k 07.47.16 Quit jimmah ("Leaving") 07.47.30 # i'd clean up any duplicates, delete all the tagcache index files in /.rockbox (stuff like 00001.tcd etc) and just re-intialize and let it entirely finish. 07.47.42 # k 07.47.44 # tagnavi.config should stay though. 07.47.56 # all the other .tcd or .tgd or whatever files can go. 07.48.02 # and then do it once? 07.48.18 # initialize, wait for it to finish, shut down (the "safe" way, hold PLAY) and turn back on. 07.48.21 # should work. 07.48.36 # when do i delete the files? 07.48.40 # b4 all this? 07.48.46 # any time before the initialization. 07.48.49 # ok 07.49.47 # seems i only have one file in .rockbox that's a tcd or tgd 07.49.59 # alright, delete it.. 07.50.07 # anything else that you don't recognize? 07.50.18 # might be some like tagcache.temp or other.. 07.50.24 # glpyhcache? 07.50.29 # playlist_control 07.50.29 # that can stay.. 07.50.32 # ok 07.50.33 # that as well.. 07.50.41 # sounds fine, just start back up and re-initialize. 07.50.47 # and i can delete the songs i loaded manually through windows explorer? 07.50.52 # make sure the disk has spun down before you reboot. 07.50.55 # yes, do that before you initialize. 07.51.05 # if you have those already in the iPod_Control folder. 07.51.20 # no i put them in /Music 07.51.36 # i mean it already exists in the iPod_Control/Music directories? 07.51.59 # yeah, i put duplicates to play in rockbox that i already have in apple os 07.52.21 # sorry, i was a little confused :D 07.54.28 # ok when the icon in the upper right corner is gone, it's definitely done? 07.54.36 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@rockbox/developer/Bger) 07.54.56 # yeah. 07.55.57 # now i do the menu + down thing? 07.56.04 # reboot first. 07.56.07 # if you haven't. 07.56.13 # i turned it off 07.56.17 # it's off right now 07.56.30 # i finished init'ing and turned it off 07.56.33 # alright, turn it on. you do the menu+down thing when it's fully loaded, and not just menu+down.. 07.56.40 # you start it up, when rockbox loads, you hold menu. a screen pops up. 07.56.51 Join ^jhMikeS^ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-249-9-140.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 07.56.54 # you can then release menu. then you press down a few times until it says ID3 Database at the bottom. 07.56.57 # then press menu again. 07.56.59 # ok after rockbox loads 07.57.03 # it's not like a key combo. 07.57.09 # it's opening a menu and changing a setting. 07.58.32 # i got a popup saying 1/13, 2/13, then it disappeared 07.58.44 # alright.. 07.58.46 # after getting to 13/13 07.58.47 # morning 07.58.49 # that's good. 07.58.52 # next? 07.59.00 # now just open the quick menu and down a few times.. 07.59.04 # morning, Bg3r. 07.59.06 # :) 07.59.13 # quick menu? 07.59.18 # hold menu. 07.59.31 # ;) 07.59.32 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.00.13 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.187.79) 08.00.37 # YES 08.00.39 # IT WORKED 08.00.42 # JdGordon: any news apart of the ondios' keymap ? 08.01.12 # instead of seeing the / dir, I see a choice of artists, albums, etc. 08.01.41 # THANK YOU SO MUCH 08.02.16 # i guess i'll keep using ephpod to transfer songs to my ipod, that way i can access it from either os 08.03.07 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.03.26 # hooray. :) 08.03.42 # secleinteer: no problem, glad it's working... yeah.. whenever you copy music just remember to do a tagcache update. 08.04.09 # i turned on autoupdate 08.04.14 # that should do it, right? 08.04.19 # there's an option for that? 08.04.24 # *hasn't updated in forever, but hasn 08.04.29 # yeah 08.04.31 # hasn't seen such a change on the recent changes list* 08.04.39 # well, as long as it's there, cool, sure. that ought to do it. :) 08.05.08 # it does the "update now" thing automatically on each startup, from what it says at the wiki 08.05.12 Join Neekeetos [0] (n=Neekeeto@ats-77-10-46.iola.tula.net) 08.05.25 # hi guys! 08.06.48 # hey :D 08.06.51 # Have anybody tried to port rockbox to Sigmatel ? 08.07.25 # idk, check the site 08.07.27 # www.rockbox.org 08.07.36 # hm 08.07.50 # there's no sigmatel port 08.08.05 # dats why i'm asking here 08.08.33 # i have player based on sigmatel 08.08.35 # well then i guess there isn't one 08.08.45 # sorry :( 08.08.52 # and i wrote firmware 08.09.04 # i have gnu C compiler 08.09.17 # wth? 08.09.20 # you have firmware? 08.09.23 # for dsp56k which is equal to sigmatel chip 08.09.52 # pm a chanop and talk to them about this, i guess 08.10.03 # midkay: how do i switch between id3v1 and id3v2? 08.10.14 # i've already done DAC, LCD initialisation 08.10.22 # secleinteer: you can set "id3 priority" in i think the playback menu. 08.10.45 # see http://home.tula.net/nickit/foto.htm 08.10.46 # do i have to re intialize after that? 08.11.01 # top image is player with my fw 08.11.02 # secleinteer: no. 08.11.31 # Neekeetos: what do you seek here, if you already have working firmware? 08.12.18 # i want to port rockbox 08.12.32 # but there is some problems 08.12.41 # talk to chanop, i guess 08.12.49 # besides my fw is not exactly mp3 player yet 08.13.11 # midkay: i changed an album name in the id3 tag after transferring it to my ipod using ephpod 08.13.19 # it worked just fine 08.13.29 # however, in rockbox, it still shows the old id3 tag 08.13.42 # secleinteer: ah, update tagcache... 08.14.06 # this album has been on my ipod for a long time, i don't know why it's doing this 08.14.18 # Neekeetos: you want help from rockbox dev's? pm them 08.14.29 # Neekeetos: i'd suggest coming back when the devs are around.. 08.14.40 # hm, ok 08.15.46 Nick gtkspert_ is now known as gtkspert (n=gtkspert@203-59-200-139.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.15.51 # Neekeetos: u need help with the low-level stuff, i suppose ? 08.16.00 # not exactly 08.16.15 # you see problem is in organisation of fw 08.16.42 # rockbox just no fit to 200k of sigmatel chip 08.17.02 # midkay: no luck 08.17.12 # does not fit i mean 08.18.29 # with low level stuff - only thing left is USB 08.18.59 # other hw is usable now (for my particular player) 08.20.11 # secleinteer: hmm. 08.20.15 # midkay: found the problem 08.20.15 # did you safely remove it? 08.20.17 # what was it? 08.20.25 # ephpod never really changes the id3 tag 08.20.34 # it just mods the apple os db 08.20.35 # ah, like winamp or windows media player. right. 08.20.45 # nods 08.20.52 # well WA mods it right, from what i know 08.20.56 # but WMP doesn't 08.21.07 # so i need to re transfer songs 08.21.22 # make a copy of them, change id3 tag, and transfer 08.21.59 # i don't believe winamp does. 08.22.08 # i use it, and i'm sure it does 08.22.13 # hm. 08.22.14 # i'm about to use it to change the tags :D 08.22.15 # *shrugs* 08.22.17 # hasn't for me. 08.22.17 # haha. 08.22.20 # tell me how it goes. 08.22.24 # are you on 5.24? 08.22.45 # Neekeetos: u've already tried to compile rb for it ? 08.23.22 # Bger: no, 08.23.57 # midkay: now i KNOW it does 08.24.05 # if you right click and choose view file info 08.24.07 # Bger: c compiler which i have, applies some restriction 08.24.21 # the box that pops up has a title of "MPEG file info box + ID3 tag editor" 08.24.36 Join webguest23 [0] (n=44e92636@labb.contactor.se) 08.24.41 # it does v1 and v2 08.24.50 # Bger: besides sigmatel system have completely different structure 08.25.04 # dsp ? 08.25.11 # Bger: yes DSP 08.25.19 # secleinteer: alright, well, let me know how it goes. 08.25.31 # it just a pain in the ass, because you have to do it over and over for each song 08.25.46 # Neekeetos: once there was a port of rockbox to a dsp ... CalmRisc16 08.25.55 # ah, when you right-click -> edit you get the "update file tag" option. 08.26.01 # I guess I used to just edit it right in the librar.y 08.26.04 # Hi - why isn't the Rockboy plugin available for Ondio? 08.26.04 # library* 08.26.20 # Bger: CalmRisc is not DSP- just gp-risc cpu 08.26.25 # webguest23: lack of buttons'd be one problem.. otherwise i'm not exactly sure. 08.26.39 # Bger: with mac engine 08.26.43 # hm, ok 08.26.48 # Neekeetos: CalmRISC has a hardvard architecture like many (all?) dsps 08.26.58 # webguest23: Too few buttons 08.26.59 # Rockboy's available for Recorder and FM Recorder - and Ondio is faster I think 08.27.04 # morning, amiconn ;) 08.27.10 # amiconn: no there is no harward 08.27.17 # midkay: well i'm sure there are better id3 editors, but WA's doing the job for now :D 08.27.25 # can't you double up buttons for Ondio 08.27.37 # like double-click = one key 08.27.42 # and single click = another 08.27.47 # webguest23: No, due to the way rockboy uses the buttons 08.28.18 # amiconn: i know because i was somehow involved in porting rb to Telechip TCC730 08.28.37 # amiconn: its calmrisc16 i guess %) 08.28.45 # webguest23: that'd also be a problem if you wanted to e.g. jump twice in a row.. 08.28.46 # yes 08.29.06 # but I think some games don't use both A and B 08.29.10 # or if you wanted to shoot a paintball or whatever in mario without jumping (if jumping were single press and paintball were a second). 08.29.14 # but I see where you're coming from 08.29.52 # Rockboy directly polls the buttons, without using the button queue. So none of the usual features apply (short/long, double click etc) 08.29.52 # what about mapping the Ondio's down key to shoot fireballs 08.30.02 # midkay: i'll just stick with VBA on a laptop running windows 95 for all my emulating needs :D 08.30.06 # seeing in Mario the down key isn't use 08.30.13 # I was the one who ported rockboy to the archos... 08.30.28 # amiconn: :) 08.30.35 # secleinteer: haha. 08.30.38 # ok 08.30.45 # webguest23: the down key *is* used in mario. sometimes, but it is. 08.31.04 # yeah for going down pipes 08.31.11 # right. 08.31.22 # I don't think there's pipes in the first Mario Land game 08.31.47 # midkay: STILL didnt work 08.31.52 # either way - what about letting end-users configure the keymappings 08.31.54 # you might manage to find a game or two that don't happen to use the A button or the B button or the down key but then you have to map the keys specifically for that game to replace e.g. down with "B".. it's just.. a hassle. 08.32.08 # secleinteer: maybe winamp doesn't work as you think it does. :) 08.32.37 # like add an option to let each user configure the keymappings in Rockboy 08.32.40 # i checked the files in windows explorer and they're fine 08.32.45 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 08.32.47 # and in ephpod, they appear with the right name right away 08.33.01 # For rockboy a target needs at least 9 buttons - the 8 gameboy buttons, plus one to leave the emulation 08.33.23 # what about like in the chip8 plugin - you can change the .txt file for key configurations 08.33.28 # 8 game boy buttons? 08.33.41 # start, select, a, b, up, down, left, right 08.33.57 # wow, never realized there were so many 08.34.00 # but some games don't use select or down or both A and B 08.34.07 Join aarond [0] (n=Aaron@c-67-160-4-13.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 08.34.09 # Rockboy on archos is more like an experiment anyway. It's way too slow in its current state to be acually playable 08.34.14 # most games use down, A and B 08.34.20 # select is used a lot less 08.34.29 # but the Ondio's processor is faster than the Recorder processors 08.34.30 # slightly 08.34.39 # Yes, about 9% 08.34.51 # 12MHz instead of 11.0592MHz 08.35.12 # someone came in here with a weird problem the other day and now I think I have the same thing, when I go to a directory it just shows a blank screen 08.35.21 # how do they do it at iPL? 08.35.26 # the game boy thing, i mean 08.35.44 # well, if Rockboy on Ondio ever happens - I'd be grateful 08.36.18 # Even on targets with enough buttons (and speed) playability suffers from hardware limitation 08.36.20 # s 08.37.13 # ds lite and nano combo works for me :) 08.37.52 # The button hardware on the irivers doesn't allow certain button combos used in some games 08.38.23 # midkay: so i updated tagcache, and nothing but that one album showed up 08.38.35 # then i re initialized the whole thing, and now everything EXCEPT that shows up 08.38.39 # amiconn: h300 is better in this thing ... 08.38.56 # on, rec and mode can be read independently 08.39.04 # Bg3r: Yes, a bit. But the h300 also can't do diagonals 08.39.10 # lol 08.39.13 # secleinteer: um... weird... 08.39.16 # yeah lol 08.39.20 # i just restarted again 08.39.33 # don't know what to say.. make sure you restart after updating/initting it of course.. 08.39.37 # i do 08.39.45 # AFK for a bit, be back in like 10 minutes. 08.39.49 # k 08.40.00 # secleinteer: I dunno. When I tried IPL on my mini g2, it worked exactly one time, and not long enough to actually test anything 08.40.17 # oh 08.40.30 # did the site say anything about the keys? 08.40.55 # When I tried to reboot, it never came up again. Then I restored my ipod to factory state, and started adaping rockbox. 08.41.05 # k lol 08.41.13 # Less than 10 hours after I got my mini, I was able to play music :) 08.41.28 # (in rockbox) 08.41.35 # cool 08.41.39 # lol you musta set a record for the longest time taken to get an ipod working :D 08.42.55 # YES midkay i finally got it 08.43.05 # i once again did the initialize thing 08.43.11 # and then i restarted 08.43.27 # and i got only the 1 album 08.43.30 # so i restarted again 08.43.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.43.45 # and this time, i held down menu all the way through the 1/13 - 13/13 thing 08.43.48 # now it works fine 08.43.55 # all the songs show up, and the 1 album has it's right name 08.44.05 Part webguest23 08.44.23 # amiconn: do you have apple os? 08.44.28 # or just rockbox? 08.46.58 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 08.47.04 # Only rockbox, I removed the apple firmware as I have no use for it 08.47.10 # lol 08.47.17 # i've found that you can have both 08.47.31 # that way when some1 else is using your ipod, they're not like, wth is this? 08.47.39 Quit JoeBorn (Nick collision from services.) 08.47.52 Nick JoeyBorn is now known as JoeBorn (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 08.48.07 # using tagcache, you can just load songs with the normal method (i use ephpod) and see them as usual 08.48.29 # midkay: nvm i'm missing a few albums 08.48.53 # and i just got them :D 08.48.54 # Of course I know, but I can't use the 'normal' way as I have no itunes installed, and won't install it for sure 08.49.02 # use ephpod 08.49.08 # I got my ipod _for_ rockbox hacking, nothing else 08.49.12 # lol 08.49.33 # not for music? 08.49.54 # I have 6 other rockboxes to choose from... 08.50.10 # you have 7 mp3 players? 08.50.13 # Sometimes I do use the ipod for music of course, but it's not the one I use most 08.50.22 # yes 08.50.29 # jesus 08.50.45 # all w/ rockbox? 08.50.52 # yes 08.51.01 # Look at my hostmask... 08.52.02 # oh lol lmao 08.52.12 # didn't know since you weren't an op 08.52.16 # I use my ipod for music, and I never installed itunes 08.52.21 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.52.32 # secleinteer: There are many rockbox devs of course. 08.52.34 # Galois: most people who aren't idiots don't uses itunes :D 08.52.44 # yeah 08.52.56 # what surprises me the most is how stable the daily builds are 08.53.05 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 08.53.08 # Regarding op status, on freenode there are usually not many ops in a channel (none most of the time) 08.53.17 # oh 08.53.19 # i see 08.53.25 # A number of people can op themselves when required 08.53.59 # btw, do you know how to make the scroll speed faster with the touch wheel? 08.54.04 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 08.54.39 # in apple os, if you have a huge long list of songs, the longer you scroll, the the faster it moves through thes ongs 08.54.40 Mode "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 08.54.49 Mode "#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 08.55.15 # i see :D 08.55.23 # it doesn't do that in rockbox, and it makes it very hard to scroll through a long list of songs 08.55.33 Quit Neekeetos () 08.55.58 # Rockbox should increase scroll speed as well (on other targets it does), but I don't know whether this actually works on ipod (yet) 08.56.34 Part JoeyBorn ("Leaving") 08.56.35 # I don't have very long lists to scroll on my mini (4GB isn't that much), and I don't like the wheel anyway 08.56.54 # lol you don't like the wheel 08.56.58 # that's why every1 buys them :D 08.57.05 # also, are you planning on modding id3 mode so that the "the"s at the beginning of artist names are ignored? 08.57.20 # I don't think so 08.57.55 # Iirc there's a patch for this in the tracker, 08.58.10 # but implementing this would be too english centric imho 08.58.41 # english centric? 08.58.53 # don't you have a language choice? 08.59.06 # that would disable the feature if it's in any language but english 08.59.07 # With the same reason we could suppress "der"/"die"/"das" for german track names 08.59.15 # yeah, you could 08.59.19 # is it really that hard? 08.59.23 # And how should rockbox know which language a trackname belongs to? 09.00.01 # not a trackname 09.00.05 # artists 09.00.15 # same thing 09.01.27 # * ^jhMikeS^ is thinking about that... 09.01.47 # ok now i'm having more problems lol 09.01.50 # secleinteer: got it all working? 09.01.56 # no one other prob 09.02.05 # when i try to play a song, say #10 in an album 09.02.11 # i push select, right? 09.02.15 # and it plays #1 09.02.26 # but it doesn't even play it, i don't think 09.02.36 # it just opens the WPS screen 09.02.43 # and pauses it there, at teh beginning of the song 09.02.49 Quit chendo (Nick collision from services.) 09.03.06 Join chendo_ [0] (n=chendo@203-206-65-33.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.03.07 # nvm 09.03.12 # restarted and the pausing thing is gone 09.03.15 # but the other thing isn't 09.03.27 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.03.37 # this is ridiculous 09.04.01 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 09.04.06 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 09.04.27 # midkay: any ideas? 09.04.57 # what other thing? 09.05.03 # dunno why all these problems keep popping up.. 09.05.06 # the not playing #10 09.05.16 # it's playing #1 instead 09.05.17 # is "play selected first" on? 09.05.20 # or shuffle? 09.05.25 # oh crap 09.05.28 # shuffle would do that i think. 09.05.32 # maybe the "play selected first" is on 09.05.37 # shuffle is definitely off 09.05.48 # hmm.. 09.05.49 # no 09.05.59 # it's off 09.06.03 # you sure? double check shuffle.. 09.06.05 # i have to turn it on 09.06.12 # yes, turn it on.. 09.06.13 # "play selected first" 09.06.15 # seeing anything in folders is off on mine 09.06.17 # right. 09.06.28 # maybe an update will fix it? 09.06.51 # yes 09.06.53 # it worked 09.07.02 # it was fine all day, then my friend pics it up and when you go in a directory it goes blank 09.07.16 # aarond: check "show files".. 09.07.23 # maybe it's on playlists only or something. 09.07.46 # I think I might have done something when I was trying to power down 09.07.58 # I noticed something came up on the screen like it was doing something 09.08.14 # check "show files". that's more than very likely the problem. 09.08.23 # if you held menu you could have changed that. 09.08.31 # if you held menu then held play to try to shut it off.. 09.09.31 # thank 09.09.32 # s 09.09.57 # I was just holding play but ok 09.10.09 # I might have hit the select and play 09.10.11 # well anyway, thx a lot midkay 09.10.16 # i g2g now 09.10.18 # ttyl 09.10.21 # otterbox makes controls tricky sometimes 09.10.38 # I thought it was something like that and was about to look through options 09.10.47 # seeya secleinteer. 09.11.03 # aarond: i'm quite confident that it's show files.. 09.11.12 # yeah it was 09.12.08 # I wish I had time to mess with rockbox more, but Im also too lazy 09.12.24 # Id like to make my own interface, you call that the wps? 09.12.27 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.12.52 # I like how making a playlist in root found my apple firmware music 09.13.00 # it never used to do that 09.13.04 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 09.13.07 # aarond: yes, the WPS is the "most customizable".. 09.13.20 # although you can technically edit menu strings and change global fonts/backdrops, WPS is entirely user-designed. 09.13.22 # but I like one of the recently added ones 09.13.41 # aarond: with "show files: all" it will do that, since it shows the iPod_Control directory that way. 09.13.55 # with "Music" or "Supported" it wouldn't show iPod_Control and thus wouldn't add stuff from it to a playlist. 09.13.57 # icatcher 09.14.29 # it did add them though and I didnt know about that 09.15.08 # nods 09.15.09 # I just made a root playlist so I could put everything on random and stuff from the apple side started playing right away 09.15.27 # kinda handy 09.15.45 # yep. 09.17.57 # one thing I know I should look up, but how do you get back to the now playing screen sometimes when you are in menus and it wont come back unless you play something else 09.18.00 # is that a bug? 09.19.11 # "won't come back unless you paly something else"? 09.19.14 # play* 09.19.20 # not sure what you mean. 09.20.56 # sometimes Im in a menu or main directory and I cant get back to now playing by pressing menu 09.21.04 # unless I select another song 09.21.10 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB0B058.ipt.aol.com) 09.21.17 # is there something I dont know or is that a bug? 09.21.55 # oh.. 09.22.00 # in directories it works differently.. 09.22.10 # you hit "play" to reach the while playing screen. 09.22.16 # "menu" will open the main menu. 09.22.22 # in the WPS, press "select" to go to the file browser. 09.22.30 # and play brings you back. 09.24.59 # think I knew that back when I used to update every week, I took a break for a while and just switched back 09.25.05 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.25.26 # :) 09.25.46 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.187.79) 09.26.43 # and Im wondering why I stopped 09.26.46 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 09.27.21 Quit RoC_MM (Client Quit) 09.27.55 # haha. 09.33.05 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 09.36.11 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.37.42 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.37.54 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 09.43.57 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-200-139.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.48.56 # Bger: na mate, and i dont tinhk ill convert anymore of the screens, they get complicated :D 09.49.19 # :P 09.51.19 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.51.59 # Bger: your up early for a sunday morning arnt you? (crazy person!) 09.52.39 # haha 09.52.49 # cisco academy calls me :D 09.53.23 # everybody ctcp time Bg3r so we can find out exactly how early!! 09.53.35 # you crazy person! 09.53.37 # [10:53:34] everybody ctcp time Bg3r so we can find out exactly how early!! 09.53.51 # hai. 09.53.52 # or he could just copy and paste a message. 09.54.06 # no, the point was to bombard Bg3r with ctcp times. 09.54.41 # yeah... so...? 09.54.50 # hehe, i doubt u could DOS him with ctcp calls :p 09.54.56 # haha. 09.55.03 # let alone if nobody else is doing it which they aren't. 09.55.04 # :) 09.55.57 # * JdGordon goes hunting for anyone with an ondia 09.56.17 # and, having in mind that Bg3r is on different connection than Bger ... 09.56.19 # :D 09.56.47 # i am so lost with all of the bagders... 09.56.50 # * JdGordon also is on the lookout for someone with the player and x5 09.57.11 # only 1 badger here tho... 09.57.29 # and he is away (and has been for like 2 weeks :p ) 09.57.37 # JdGordon: one thing i didnt check...did you make it so that on, when pressed, resumes the last playlist? 09.57.43 # wake up scorche. 09.57.58 # stop... 09.58.02 # scorche: which target?> 09.58.12 # recorder 09.58.25 # scorche: u must be happy that i don't use my real nickname - Bager ... :D 09.58.37 # dionoea did that buttons, ill check tho 09.58.47 # i dont know...i just see 3 of you in here and wonder which is which... 10.00.16 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@HSE-Toronto-ppp301410.sympatico.ca) 10.00.22 # scorche: ye, should do 10.00.36 # scorche seems confused... he's using ellipsis... 10.00.38 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@cor4-ppp55.bri.dsl.connect.net.au) 10.00.47 # i always do... 10.01.19 # their dots... not bloody elipses....!!!! 10.01.51 # they'RE *ellipses*/ 10.01.52 # :D 10.02.20 # DOTS! 10.02.30 # dot-dot-dots. 10.02.32 # periods. 10.02.33 # can we agree on that? 10.02.40 # dot dot dots everybody. we've reached a consensus. 10.03.18 # let the minutes show we have agreed to call them dots! 10.03.27 # next point on the agenda 10.03.30 # haha. 10.06.53 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-77-162-229.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 10.11.49 Quit ^jhMikeS^ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.14.12 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.14.17 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 10.22.10 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-105-182.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.23.06 # anyone work on the manual here? i just spotted a typo 10.23.45 # under "sound settings" chapter 2.4.2 "This is a shortchut" 10.24.31 # * midkay hands JdGordon a cookie. 10.24.56 # mmmm.. cookie :D 10.26.37 # player mappings done! 10.26.48 # haha. 10.26.53 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 10.26.53 # * JdGordon expects a dounut from midkay for that one! 10.27.17 Part Hideo_Kuze 10.27.53 Quit Bger (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.28.03 # haha. 10.28.15 # * midkay hands JdGordon a horribly crusted, hairy donut. 10.29.02 # mmm crusty hairy donut 10.29.14 # haha. 10.29.14 # how would one come about that kind of donut? 10.29.23 # it was in my pants for a few years! 10.29.26 # is the gemini or iriver ifp7xx ports working? 10.29.36 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@85.187.218.57) 10.29.54 # midkay: then where did the hair come from? 10.30.17 # JdGordon: the gemini is stalkled...not sure about the other one 10.30.20 # haha. 10.30.28 # where did "stalkled" come from? 10.30.29 # retard. 10.30.35 # stalled... 10.30.40 # sure, sure. 10.30.47 # stalked is still a cool word though. 10.30.55 # i doubt the other is 10.30.56 # stalkled is even cooler. 10.31.02 # ok, so in that case.. 1 more target to map and we are good to go 10.31.16 # and you still havent answered my question midkay 10.31.21 # * JdGordon was too lazy to do remote mappings 10.31.40 # scorche: random fuzz accumulated in the pants. 10.31.46 # ah 10.31.56 # i like to call that "lint".....not hair 10.32.06 # maybe some hair on my head ended up in there. 10.32.11 # it *has* been a few years. 10.32.13 # maybe... 10.32.40 # darned straight. 10.33.05 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 10.34.04 # i'm reading support forums for a game. 10.34.35 # a game? 10.34.44 # yes. 10.35.26 # .. okay. 10.35.56 # boredom. 10.36.18 # who knows what the usual cancel button on the x5 is? i.e the equi of off on h300? 10.36.32 # power, i suppose. 10.36.56 # you can't just, "suppose." 10.38.00 # * JdGordon gives midkay permission to just "suppose" 10.38.04 # now he can :D 10.38.08 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.38.50 # haha. 10.38.55 # okay... 10.39.06 # shut it, shar. 10.39.06 # :D 10.40.23 Quit aarond () 10.40.28 # well.. the x5 manual is useless... "please add correct keys" 10.43.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.44.37 # maybe it's telling you something. 10.47.51 # i dont have an x5, so bit difficult to corect them 10.48.44 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.49.48 Join Poka64 [0] (n=Poka64@hd5e241ae.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 10.52.46 Join _per_ [0] (n=_per_@83.89.225.49) 10.53.32 # <_per_> hey, if i want to update rockbox (with the newest daily build), what do i need to replace? 10.54.11 Quit juxtap () 10.54.47 # _per_: just extract a new build to your player... 10.54.55 # <_per_> ok 10.55.01 # <_per_> thx 10.55.06 Part _per_ 10.55.06 # welcome. 10.57.15 # well, i've done my good deed for the day. 10.58.37 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@wbs-41-208-198-220.wbs.co.za) 10.59.56 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE1A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.00.13 # HAHAHA. 11.03.14 Quit Sinbios (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.04.19 # i feel sick. 11.07.10 # why? 11.07.50 # i don't know. i just do. 11.09.09 # it was the good deed. 11.09.51 # ah, maybe. 11.09.59 # ahah. going to the "Read This!" option in the registered doom one menu, still causes the plugin to exit. 11.11.24 # haha. 11.11.50 # giving me the feeling we do not want people to read it. 11.13.37 # haha. 11.14.00 # i guess i'm funny at five thirteen in the morning. 11.15.05 # <_apo_> http://www.dustrunners.com/dl/Pig_and_the_Box.pdf :D 11.15.36 # <_apo_> The archenemy of Captain Copyright :P 11.16.47 Part amiconn 11.16.53 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rond (n=Rondom@p54AEE1A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.17.19 Nick Rond is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@p54AEE1A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.19.27 # i still can't figure out how i'm going to layout the memory for the kernel... hah... 11.20.27 # HAA AHAHAHAAAA. 11.20.38 # ... 11.24.17 # you said "hah" indicating your statement was hilarious. 11.24.26 # i just followed up with the assumed-appropriate response. 11.25.36 # alright... 11.33.16 Quit _apo_ ("KVIrc 3.2.3 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 11.33.18 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.33.36 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 11.34.23 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F2BEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.35.07 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.37.54 Quit obo (Client Quit) 11.44.29 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-142-242.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.45.41 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 11.51.06 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.58.27 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964C19.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.03.20 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.09.30 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54932D1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.09.46 Quit JoeBorn (Connection timed out) 12.10.56 Quit Rondom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.14.26 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 12.21.22 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 12.21.49 # Could any devs look at a patch for me please? 12.23.03 Quit x1jmp (Remote closed the connection) 12.23.33 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-32-208.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.28.05 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.28.53 # hey LinusN, good news :) 12.28.56 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.29.02 # almost ready to commit 12.29.03 # ? 12.29.05 # nice 12.29.27 # i'm really eager to give it a try 12.29.35 # all the working targets have mappings 12.29.57 # some keys may have been changed, but its pretty close.. im trying th eondio mapping in the sim now, it needs work 12.29.59 # regarding the target tree, i have a few concerns 12.30.11 # but ipod/x5/iriver/recoder all are fine (i tihnk) 12.30.12 # ? 12.30.48 # the apps/ tree was not intended to have target specific code 12.31.16 # but the button<->action mapping is kind of a special case 12.31.55 # the firmware/ and apps/ split is a really old legacy from the really early days of rockbox 12.32.01 # for the ondio, is it ok if up/down change settings and left/right is used for cancel/accept? and maybe have the mode button for next setting (i dont know if there is any screens for that target with more than 1 setting on the screen)? 12.32.48 # i don't know much about the ondio, i don't have one 12.33.27 # eve tho it is a special case, shouldnt all target specific code go in the tree? even if its not really used by the firmware? 12.34.15 # JdGordon: the split goes the other way around too, the firmware/ directory can't have application specific code 12.34.29 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 12.34.39 # and the contexts are really app specific 12.35.06 # ok, well your call, so if you prefer it under apps im fine 12.35.31 # i think i do that for now at least 12.36.40 # ok 12.38.25 # i dont like the ondio mapping, but im not going to be able to get it any better only playing in the sim :( 12.39.04 # amiconn should be able to answer questions about the ondio 12.39.11 Quit Poka64 ("XChat 2.6.6 - www.xchat.org") 12.39.20 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.40.50 # k 12.41.18 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.42.15 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.42.33 Join Poka64 [0] (n=Poka64@hd5e241ae.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 12.42.57 # so what level do you want it to be at before commiting? i think its ready to go now asside from some button mappings might need to be changed 12.43.21 # i think we are ready, i'll try it out first 12.43.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.44.18 # about to upload a new ver onto wiki, unless u just want a link? 12.44.25 Quit Poka64 (Client Quit) 12.44.30 # please update the wiki 12.44.39 # i tinhk it needs a forum post and possibly a mailing list post before commiting tho 12.45.00 # because? 12.45.53 # some keys may have been configured wrongly 12.45.58 # and some just plain changed 12.46.13 # also, no remotes except iriver 12.46.27 # sure 12.46.29 # wiki updated 12.46.33 # gr8 12.47.05 # sure = do the post? 12.48.07 # sure, go ahead and post 12.48.16 # i'll check it out in the mean time 12.48.17 # JdGordon: Has anyone tested on an ipod? 12.49.30 # linuxstb: febs did on friday and it didnt work at all :D but i have tested in the sim and its fixed, but if you can test it, it would be great 12.49.55 # which version? ill link you save patching your source 12.53.52 # JdGordon: OK, I'll have a quick go now. 12.54.10 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-90-57.dsl.pipex.com) 12.54.30 # you want me to compile it for you? 12.54.54 # It's OK - I've just downloaded your patch. 12.55.35 # JdGordon: i miss action.c and all the keymaps 12.56.01 # ah crap, i thought i added them all :'( 12.56.02 # 1 min 12.56.18 # wait a sec 12.56.35 # keymaps are there 12.56.39 # i only miss action.c 12.57.11 # http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/action.c 12.57.15 # btw, do you really have to include "../action.h"? 12.57.24 # isn't "action.h" anough? 12.57.30 # enough 12.57.37 # i dont know? i didnt try it 12.57.46 # it doesnt really make a difference does it? 12.57.52 # it might 12.58.15 # oh, this breaks sudoku, so ill start the plugin lib verison 12.58.41 # any thoughts how we want to handle the plugins? 12.58.48 # not really 12.59.01 # i believe the std map should work fine for most of them 12.59.29 # except for the "hard core" ones, like rockboy, doom, pacbox etc 13.00.08 Join Neekeetos [0] (n=Neekeeto@ppp83-237-168-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 13.00.41 Quit Neekeetos (Client Quit) 13.00.57 # Where does action.c go? Just in apps/ ? 13.01.01 # ye 13.01.17 # OK 13.01.55 Join Neekeetos [0] (n=Neekeeto@ppp83-237-168-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 13.02.19 # ../ can be removed from the actions.h incluide line. just tested it 13.03.13 # left/right don't work very well in the wps 13.03.16 # (x5) 13.06.47 # JdGordon: It doesn't even compile for the ipods... 13.07.08 # damn, and really?? hmm 13.07.10 # keymap-ipod.c contains lots of references to non-existent buttons like UP, DOWN, ON, OFF... 13.07.42 # I'll try and fix. 13.07.51 # im not sure how that happens, probably last night while i was fiddling while drunk :p 13.08.21 # What's ACTION_STD_LONGMENU for? 13.08.24 # LinusN: how does it not work well? not responsive enough? or? 13.08.32 # linuxstb: delete that line, it was removed 13.08.41 # many button presses are lost 13.08.42 # i thought i got rid of them from all the keymap files 13.08.49 # It's just commented out. 13.09.06 # How do I access the quick menu? 13.09.35 # I mean, what ACTION? 13.09.35 # LinusN: ye, oops, that was definatly my idiocy in drunken state 13.09.53 # linuxstb: actions_wps_quickmenu 13.10.02 # What about from the file browser? 13.10.22 # Guys, who developed the main rockbox structure? I mean not source but idea how it could be? 13.11.30 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496730D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.11.59 # linuxstb: longmenu :p 13.12.10 # actually.. hang on 13.12.56 # linuxstb: nothing atm, its ifdef'ed out 13.13.32 # * JdGordon apologises, put longmenu back in 13.13.42 # { ACTION_STD_LONGMENU, BUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_MENU }, 13.13.59 # Neekeetos: please explain what you mean 13.14.09 # Why "longmenu" in the file browser, and "quickscreen" in the WPS? 13.14.31 # i dunno :p, which sounds better? 13.14.42 # LinusN: I mean that in actual rockbox fw we have several interfaces for example 13.15.00 # LinusN: can call it api 13.15.01 # JdGordon: IMO it should be "quickscreen" - as that's the purpose of the action. 13.15.25 # linuxstb: i guess i did longmenu to keep it more generic, but quickscreen oes sound better, untill its actually used for sometihng else 13.15.34 # linuxstb: and also fw is divided to layers and blocks 13.15.37 # ok, ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN it is 13.16.05 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.16.21 # LinusN: who is the person/person which developed this? 13.16.30 # persons 13.16.36 # well, I and Björn Stenberg started the project 13.16.45 # hm 13.17.02 # than maybe you can help me in my case 13.17.05 # ? 13.17.36 # The Rockbox credits have about 200 names. 13.18.17 # hello 13.18.19 # Febs: nobody except creators know exactly how it could look like in whole 13.18.29 # LinusN: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/keymap-x5.c is the fixed version 13.18.50 # Febs: i mean you can contribute to this project without full knowledge on how it works 13.18.54 # Neekeetos: That doesn't make sense... Anyone that can read the whole code can understand it. 13.19.09 # You can also create a project and 3 years later have no idea of what it has become. 13.19.15 # If you have a question, just ask it. 13.19.40 # Neekeetos: I would guess that no single person is familiar with every corner of Rockbox. 13.19.48 # not even i 13.20.44 # :) 13.20.53 # ok here is my question again 13.20.56 # ^ 13.20.57 # : 13.21.39 # Avery one knows that some players are Sigmatel based 13.22.03 # i believe it's good idea to port the rockbox to that hw 13.22.33 # Neekeetos: i'm sure it is a good idea 13.22.46 # and i,ve already done some work on it 13.22.54 # now we're talking 13.23.10 # i have working toolchain for Sigmatel 13.23.25 # Which Sigmatel are you working with? 13.23.34 # 3502 13.24.36 # and i wrote fw which works with almost any hw on my player( exception only USB) 13.25.15 # JdGordon: In fact, looking at keymap-ipod.c, almost every mapping is wrong :) I think you must have copied the wrong target... 13.25.33 # that means - hw is ready for porting rockbox on it 13.25.38 # but 13.25.53 # linuxstb: oh ok, sorry 13.25.56 # ill fix it up 13.26.15 # Thanks. 13.26.48 # rockbox fw structure does not allow to port it directly to Sigmatel platform 13.27.20 # What are the issues? 13.27.31 # because sigmatel chips have limited ammount of RAM and special usage of it 13.27.37 # keymaps/keymap-x5.c:43: error: `ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN' undeclared here 13.28.20 # Neekeetos: How is the RAM organised? And how much do you have? 13.28.24 # harward architecture imply 3 separate memory fields 13.28.37 # different for program code 13.28.50 # and two spaces for data 13.29.06 # LinusN: add it somewhere in action.h or dw about it and ill fix everything up and try again 13.29.22 # linuxstb: do you mean the button names are all wrong? or the mappings are wrong? 13.29.23 # maximum ammount of memory for every mem - 64KWords 13.29.37 # JdGordon: A little of both 13.29.44 # ok 13.30.11 # chip itself have 96 KWords of memory 13.30.25 # I dont want this to feel like me passing the buck, but I can fix the button names, the actual mappings is difficult 13.30.32 # (i dont have an ipod) 13.30.36 # which can be allocated in different manner between X,Y and P spaces 13.31.39 # JdGordon: I'm not refusing the buck, but I have to go now. If you don't fix it, I can try and look at it later. 13.31.51 # ok, ill see how i go 13.31.56 # as you can see it is not possible to fit 600kb rockbox kernel directly to chip 13.32.03 # JdGordon: we don't expect you to have all the mappings correct 13.32.48 # so guys , what is your ideas? 13.32.50 # Neekeetos: 600kb??? 13.32.52 # :) im annoyed that i tinhk its all ready and then it doesnt even compile :'( good thing i have nothing better to do today :) 13.33.09 # its listed on rockbox site 13.33.21 # where? 13.33.32 # hm , somewhere 13.33.46 # is it differ in reality? 13.33.51 # my reockbox.ipod is 400kB 13.34.00 # hm 13.34.04 # 370k on h300 13.34.07 # ok 13.34.12 # 340 sorry 13.34.32 # 147k on archos recoreder 13.34.41 # i wonder why it's half size 13.35.10 # -e 13.35.26 # dionoea: a lot less bitmaps and shit 13.35.37 # and no software codecs 13.35.42 # it's still very big for Sigmatel :( 13.35.47 # most bitmaps are in the plugins no ? 13.35.55 # dionoea: yes 13.36.19 # i'm not counting the codecs here 13.36.33 # Neekeetos: i guess we would have to find out some kind of overlay scheme 13.36.43 # yes, exactly 13.37.13 # and i think plugins would be pretty hard to handle, no? 13.37.14 # dats why i was searchin for creators - we need to change the kernel 13.37.52 # what about plugins? 13.38.07 # they are dynamically loaded into ram 13.38.23 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE1A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.38.47 # there will be no problem with dynamic loading - it's the main concept of work for sigmatel 13.38.54 # overlays 13.39.33 # ok, so you have a 64k code segment, which can be changed with a segment pointer of some kind? 13.39.45 # no 13.40.02 # address space only 16 bit for each RAM 13.41.12 # how much ROM is there on your player? 13.41.56 # ok, i tinhk the ipod keys are fixed (it seems fine in the sim) 13.42.06 # Sigmatel chip itself have zero ammount of user defined rom - nand flash is used for fw 13.42.36 # JdGordon: did you update the patch on the wiki ? 13.42.44 # JdGordon: i can't ff/rew with the current keymap, it switches track first 13.43.13 Join hshah [0] (n=hshah@shahassociates.plus.com) 13.43.18 Part hshah ("Leaving") 13.43.24 # LinusN: with the one from my webspace? 13.43.29 # yes 13.43.33 # dionoea: yes, but its no worky 13.43.47 # that reminds me. i must find some webhosting, somewhere... 13.43.50 # hmm.. thats what i thought would happen, which is why i fiddled... i think we have a problem 13.43.58 # sharpe: let me know what you find. :) 13.44.12 # oh ... i was about to do a recorder build to test. Where should i get the latest patch ? 13.44.37 # midkay: well, i do remember one... actually, had very cheap hosting... you paid for what you used... 13.45.04 # hm. 13.45.08 # can't you get free webhosting ? 13.45.26 # ah... i don't really want to :\ 13.46.09 # and notmany free hosts provide php and mysql access... 13.46.38 # french ISP provider free.fr provides 1GB webspace with php and mysql for free 13.47.53 Quit Rick ("Upgrading to mIRC 6.2! WHEEE! :P") 13.47.57 # well, if only i could read french. 13.48.24 # LinusN: before, you said it was eating keypresses? which? 13.48.33 # left/right 13.48.49 # did long left/right work? 13.49.00 # yes, after a loooong wait 13.49.15 # hmm.. odd 13.49.21 # yes 13.49.24 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 13.50.25 # JdGordon: i think it might have to do with the timeout 13.50.36 # does the latest patch from http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/ work ? 13.50.39 # dionoea: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/actions.diff can you see if ffwd/rwd and skip next/back work in the wps please? 13.50.52 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.50.54 # LinusN: the timeout in the wps? 13.51.09 # the handling of last_button and timeouts in action.c 13.51.42 # last_button is set to BUTTON_NONE when button_get_w_tmo times out 13.52.17 # midkay: i found it again. 13.52.19 # then maybe the pre_button code test fails 13.52.53 # sharpe: .. yay..! 13.52.55 # hum ... doesn't build with patch 13.53.00 # midkay: yep. 13.53.08 # the old button code with the _PRE stuff ignored timeouts 13.53.14 # its either there or gwps.c, it waits HZ/5 for presses, 13.53.51 # so on screens with _w_tmo calls, the pre_button_code test fails if it timeouts 13.53.53 # can you change that and see if it works? i cant copy to target atm and wps in sim isnt very useful 13.54.15 # you haven't tested on your own player? 13.54.48 Join San||Away [0] (n=San@213-202-143-35.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 13.55.03 # not since friday :D 13.55.07 # ouch 13.55.17 # let me see what i can do 13.55.53 # i killed my hdd on friday and im working off knoppix and remote X knoppix doesnt have ssh so its difficult.. but i can if you cant atm 13.56.06 # JdGordon: is rockbox supposed to build fine with the patch applied ? or do i need to change stuff before it does ? 13.56.18 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@59.40.21.193) 13.56.40 # JdGordon: what's the purpose of last_i? 13.56.51 # dionoea: it should build fine, apart from sudoku.c 13.57.04 # well i get this: 13.57.04 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 13.57.05 # AR+RANLIB /mnt/test/rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/librockbox.a 13.57.05 # make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/mnt/test/rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/apps/action.o', needed by `/mnt/test/rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/apps/rockbox.elf'. Stop. 13.57.29 # last_i is supposed to speed up the list checking, but im not sure if it actually works, which is why int i=*start is commented out in the do_button_check fuinction 13.57.56 # i see 13.58.42 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 13.58.45 # the idea being it jumps to that position because its 99% for sure going to return the same value... 13.58.52 # ignore_until_release must check the SYS_ bit first 13.59.01 # ah, no 13.59.05 # silly me 13.59.26 # ye, SYS_ is checked before that 14.00.02 # i'm not entirely sure that last_button should be updated when button == BUTTON_NONE (i.e timeout) 14.00.39 # comment it out and test? 14.00.44 # will do 14.01.04 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.01.06 # dionoea: i just did a ipod target build, rockbox.elf compiled fine 14.01.15 # do make clean && make 14.01.30 # i did rm -rf ipod; mkdir ipod and configure again 14.01.44 # wow, wierd.. 14.01.45 # i'll try a simulator build 14.02.01 # did you apply the patch to cvs or to already patched source? 14.02.53 # to clean cvs 14.03.12 # hmm.. odd 14.03.48 # hum, in fact i had it configured for a recorder build :/ 14.04.28 # LinusN: it doesnt make sense that that is the problem, because how can it timeout between button press and button_repeat? or is that an underlying problem? 14.04.39 # well it still doesn't work as a real ipod build 14.05.00 # sim doesn't work as well 14.05.37 # your path looks odd.. are you sure you have the paths correct? /rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/apps/rockbox.elf shouldnt rockbox.elf be one level up? 14.05.58 # no, my bad 14.06.45 # JdGordon: it can easily timeout, since get_action is called with TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK 14.07.32 # not in the wps code... or are you talking about the whole ui? 14.08.03 # JdGordon: hum ... i don't have action.C 14.08.14 # it's not in the patch i guess 14.08.28 # oh bloody hell... didnt it add it again ? :'( 14.08.52 # well i can download it from your webserver if it's the good version 14.08.54 # i even made sure i had -uN in the cmd 14.09.20 # yup, its hte latest 14.12.41 # JdGordon: gwps.c, line 164 14.13.16 # AH! 14.14.47 # ok, i just copied it onto my h300, i can go next/prev track and vol+- works (being held down and click), but holding l/r doesnt work 14.15.34 # JdGordon: do you have a peak meter? 14.15.42 # apart from the actual button, vol+- and long l/r are the same in the list.. and no 14.17.44 # i'm thinking about masking _REL from the pre_button_code check 14.17.47 # actually.. ignore that last thing, i think it didnt do rolo and i was on old code 14.17.50 # sorry, _REPEAT 14.18.31 # hum ... the recorder keymap doesn't work well ... i can't go back to a higher directory 14.19.47 # im confused now, rolo reset my settings (expected) so now i have a peak meter.. holding right works, but u have to release and quick press right again for it to start playign again 14.20.16 # and no other buttons work! 14.20.28 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-15-176.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.20.31 Quit JoeXBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.21.49 Quit Rob2222 () 14.22.24 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB0B058.ipt.aol.com) 14.22.57 # / last_button = button; didnt change anything 14.24.11 # On the ipod 5g, does the USB hardware also handle the usb protocol or is that all implemented in the ipod software? (or do we not yet know) 14.24.17 # well, it changed things, but not necessarily for the better 14.24.26 # stripwax! 14.24.32 # JdGordon: i have a tip: 14.24.47 # hey 14.24.53 # use logf to record the keystrokes on target 14.25.23 # ye, i tinhk im going to have to.. 14.25.28 # then set up test bench in the sim where you play back the exact sequence as if it came from the button driver 14.25.38 # and use gdb to debug it 14.26.04 # btw, you were right about the pm, the tree and menu buttons dont work if the wps has it 14.27.45 # LinusN: i tihnk gwps.c 164 should be turned back to button_get() 14.28.20 # it will still eat the button tho 14.28.39 # wps is not the only place with timeouts 14.29.26 # no, but i dont tihnk that is a problem elsewhere 14.29.29 # any place where timeout < keyrepeat rate will have issues with last_button 14.30.26 # that's why you have BUTTON_NONE as the pre_button_code for repeated buttons in the keymaps 14.30.42 # where it really shouldn't be 14.31.22 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 14.31.31 # you can't have BUTTON_NONE before BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT 14.31.32 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-146-132.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.31.47 # because you must get a BUTTON_LEFT before it 14.32.00 # but it works for you because you get a timeout in between 14.32.24 # and then it sets last_button to BUTTON_NONE 14.32.44 # ok 14.32.57 # this is why i think you must ignore timeouts in the button check 14.33.12 # this will get us in another mess though 14.33.33 # because with this scheme, we would need two entries for repeated keys 14.33.41 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.33.48 # BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_LEFT 14.33.57 # BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT 14.34.07 # unless we ignore REPEAT 14.34.07 # is WPS_KEYLOCK gone ? 14.35.00 # dionoea: for the time being, i wasnt sure how it should be handled 14.35.07 # ok 14.36.02 # LinusN: ok, well commenitng out last_button = NULL; killed all buttons. 14.36.30 # and the AB setmarkers buttons ? 14.36.41 # last_button = NULL? 14.36.53 Join TucknDar [0] (n=Miranda@084202082182.customer.alfanett.no) 14.36.59 # when it timeouts 14.37.19 # you must mean last_button_list = NULL 14.37.22 # im trying to tihnk of a way to save us hassle and allow button_none as the prereq 14.37.36 # ipod users: are the top and bottom panels of the mini, 4g, and color the same as the video? Top panel: hold on the left, headphone jack on the right. Bottom panel: dock connector. 14.37.39 # sorry, last_button = button 14.37.47 # JdGordon: but what good is the prereq then? 14.38.03 # you mean BUTTON_NONE == ignore? 14.38.11 # im sure there is a way it would work, no 14.38.22 # something fancy with bitmasks 14.38.52 # my idea is to ignore timeouts, and mask _REPEAT in the prereq check 14.40.30 # prereq = items[i].pre_button_code&(~BUTTON_REPEAT); ? 14.40.41 # yes 14.40.56 # but the other way around 14.41.17 # ? 14.41.23 # you remove BUTTON_REPEAT from the button code before comparing with prereq 14.41.34 Quit TucknDar () 14.42.05 # remove from last_button? or this button? 14.42.12 Join TucknDar [0] (n=Miranda@084202082182.customer.alfanett.no) 14.42.27 # Febs: I don't have an iPod but I think they are all the same... btw, here's a pic of 3g: http://www.apple.com/r/store/gallery/ipod3/images/6.jpg 14.43.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.44.52 # Febs: iPod Nano has also an AC input at bottom right: http://www.avenue-d.com/welcome/ipod/img/agent18nano_top_02.jpg 14.45.23 # I'm not concerned about the nano. I'm writing the descriptions of the players for the blind for the manual, and the nano part is already done. 14.45.29 # LinusN: ok, i tihnk i have no idea what your thinging, im just makgin the buttons worse :p 14.45.36 # JdGordon: i updated the recorder keymap a bit: http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/keymap-recorder.c 14.45.43 # JdGordon: i'll have a stab at it 14.45.49 # ta 14.45.53 # and ta 14.46.13 # Febs: The Mini is different actually: http://www.whiningdog.net/Reviews/Apple/iPod/20040621-VajaiVod/pics/top1.jpg 14.47.22 # Thanks. What is that to the left of the headphone jack? Some sort of remote control connector? 14.47.59 # Most probably...not sure though 14.49.07 # Here's a pic of 4g: http://www.boxwave.com/images_bw/products/thumbnails/as_ipod4g_top_lg.jpg 14.50.52 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.51.06 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 14.52.51 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d01m-89-83-141-224.d4.club-internet.fr) 14.53.01 # Genre9mp3, thanks, those pictures were very helpful. 14.54.12 # Febs: All ipods apart from (I think) the 5g and Nano have a remote connector next to the headphone jack - this is for accessories that plug into both the headphone jack and remote connector at the same time - a bit similar to the H1x0's remote connector IIRC. 14.59.37 Part lodesi 14.59.37 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d01m-89-83-141-224.d4.club-internet.fr) 15.00.39 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp44-247.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.08.58 # JdGordon: ok, i think i got it working 15.09.13 # great :) 15.09.32 # this is what i did 15.09.50 # 1) don't set last_button on timeout 15.11.03 # 2) include _REPEAT in the prereq's, unfortunately meaning that we have 2 entries for repeated keys, one with and one without _REPEAT in the prereq 15.11.28 # 3) invent a new action, ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK 15.11.49 # otherwise it doesn't leave the seek state when i release the button 15.11.57 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE1A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.12.25 # @) can be go t around by doing last_button = button&(~BUTTON_REPEAT); cant it? 15.12.30 # 2) even 15.12.35 # re 2), it might be possible to ignore _REPEAT in the prereq if the button code has REPEAT, as a special case in the button check code 15.13.15 # JdGordon: no, that didn't work, because then it will confuse the repeated keys with the ordinary ones in other cases 15.13.28 # ok 15.15.00 # here's an excerpt from my keymap: 15.15.09 # { ACTION_STD_NEXT, BUTTON_DOWN, BUTTON_NONE }, 15.15.09 # { ACTION_STD_NEXTREPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN }, 15.15.09 # { ACTION_STD_NEXTREPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT }, 15.15.46 # ok 15.16.09 # and i also define STOPSEEK twice, like this: 15.16.15 # { ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT }, 15.16.21 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 15.16.21 # { ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT }, 15.16.39 Quit PyromancerX (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.17.56 # ok cool, so it mostly works well now? 15.18.03 # seems so 15.18.36 # the keymaps must be updated for this change 15.18.55 # so the prereqs are correct 15.19.15 # ye, do you tihnk its better to do the check for the special case and make the keymap file easier? or not check and more painful? 15.19.18 # Isn't this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5666 similar to this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5575 ??? 15.19.29 # but now the keymaps are very straightforward and logical, imho 15.19.36 # Maybe someone close one of the two? 15.20.07 # pick one :-) 15.20.34 # so every item that has repeat needs two actions for it? 15.21.13 # Genre9mp3: i like the circular reference in the comment of #5575 :-) 15.21.18 # JdGordon: yes 15.22.07 # so codewise, 2 &'s and a == or lots more in the array? i tihnk check (because im lazy, and it might make it a touch smaller?) 15.22.26 # JdGordon: i'll have a look 15.22.46 # LinusN: hehe, yes...he probably wanted to comment this on 5666 15.22.48 Quit cmug ("leaving") 15.23.08 # i think we should close the newest of the two 15.23.34 # LinusN: we could almost get away with saying that if the button has repeat then there is no actual need to set a prereq because it must be the button without repeat? 15.23.46 # even less work then :D 15.24.54 # it might work, but i suspect that there might be problems with button combinations 15.25.30 # we *could* perhaps introduce a BUTTON_ANY, for example 0xffffffff 15.25.57 # thats the same as none almost tho 15.26.27 # but not exactly 15.26.47 # there are occasions where we need to separate BUTTON_NONE and BUTTON_ANY, for example STOPSEEK 15.27.14 # hmm, bad example i think, but anyway 15.27.48 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4540D.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.27.53 # i see the difference, na i tihnk it might not be a good idea, 15.28.06 # people might start actually checking for that button then 15.28.37 # leave it as explicitly stating the prereq and check for the special case 15.28.44 # well, "people", that's us 15.29.52 # i kind of like when there are no special cases 15.30.02 # yes, and people who come 6 months down the track and see button_any and fail to see why their button loop never exits :D 15.30.17 # "press any key to continue" :-) 15.30.25 # adding the speciall case could half the array size on some targets 15.30.26 # :D 15.30.55 # at the moment, i'm more worried about execution time than array size 15.31.40 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 15.31.42 # it would only need to check if the current button is &BUTTON_REPEAT no? so its only 1 if and a & 15.31.48 Quit thegeek (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.31.54 # i doubt you would notice a difference 15.32.09 # LinusN: Yes... the newest one should be closed...someone with access should close it I guess 15.33.35 # done 15.33.39 # * S0ap finally has caught up on his IRC reading after being away for 5 days. Nice to see BigMac has chilled. 15.34.24 # JdGordon: i'm not sure i follow you 15.34.39 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.34.42 # S0ap: You never know when he'll strike back! 15.35.24 # you mean to strip _REPEAT from last_button if (button & REPEAT)? 15.36.20 Join cmug [0] (n=wotoo@dsl-aur-feccdd00-93.dhcp.inet.fi) 15.37.05 # ye 15.37.10 # if (items[i].button_code == button) 15.37.14 # { 15.37.18 # if (button&BUTTON_REPEAT) 15.37.19 Quit Bger (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.37.19 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496730D.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.37.22 # { 15.37.26 # if (items[i].pre_button_code == last_button&(~BUTTON_REPEAT)) 15.37.30 # { 15.37.33 # ret = items[i].action_code; 15.37.34 # break; 15.37.34 # } 15.37.35 DBUG Enqueued KICK JdGordon 15.37.35 # } 15.37.35 # else if (exisiting code) 15.37.50 # so the overhead is acceptable 15.37.59 # i was thinking about this: 15.38.06 # (before the loop) 15.38.09 # if(button & BUTTON_REPEAT) 15.38.09 # last_button &= ~BUTTON_REPEAT; 15.38.34 # same thing in less code i guess :D 15.40.35 # worked fine 15.40.43 # awesome 15.40.58 # i wonder if we lose something by doing that... 15.41.06 # Good luck on getting this stuff out guys, and g'night 15.41.11 Quit aliask ("sleep") 15.41.11 # nite aliask 15.41.44 # i can't think of any weird combos that would need this 15.41.51 # its not working here, so i must have broken something somewhre else 15.42.06 # did you touch gwps.c? 15.42.18 # sorry, forgot to rolo again 15.42.21 # gwps-common.c 15.42.46 # and action.[ch] 15.43.10 # can you email or upload them somewhere please? 15.43.15 # sure 15.43.25 # im getting some very funny behaviour :) 15.43.35 # i'm sure you do 15.44.21 # the only buttons which are working now are hold left/right and they both ffwd :D 15.46.12 # http://linus.haxx.se/action/ 15.46.24 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 15.47.19 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.48.29 # thanks 15.50.55 # still doesnt work here, my keymap file must be stuffed 15.52.42 # woops, forgot to add the stopseek 15.53.49 # it's nice that several combos can yield the same action 15.54.07 # woohooo... you da maan D: 15.54.10 # all good now 15.54.14 # cool 15.54.27 # so what else can we realise is broken and spend 3 hours fixing? :'( 15.54.31 # jd here's what i'd like to do 15.55.09 # i want it to compile cleanly, i.e fix the plugin compilation errors 15.55.59 # which means putting back the MENU_xxx #defines, i guess 15.56.29 # thats the easy way.. and anything else? 15.57.02 # well, basically we need to produce a patch that applies and compiles cleanly on all targets 15.57.36 # it would be nice if most keymaps were ok too 15.58.02 # what about the wps keylock on the archos? 15.58.51 # i dont know.. also the F* handling needs thinking about 15.58.58 # really? 15.59.17 # oh, the h300-sim build is broken because remote_type() is not in the sim 15.59.32 # ah, yes 15.59.43 # well, do we just call them ACTION_STD_F* and call it quits? or give them a proper name? 16.00.06 # good question 16.00.38 # iriver keys should be correct and ready to go 16.00.57 Join ehamberg [0] (n=ehamberg@81-29-38-23.adsl.hesbynett.no) 16.01.43 Quit ehamberg (Remote closed the connection) 16.01.49 # JdGordon: you want to have the F-buttons in the std map? 16.01.57 Join Psilonaut [0] (i=DaPhunka@78.164-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 16.02.06 Quit Psilonaut (Client Quit) 16.02.22 # i dont know, can we give them a name? or are they really target specific? 16.03.12 # well, the archos has two quick menus, something i think no other target has 16.03.18 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 16.04.28 Join bluebrother [0] (i=T9GmvTTK@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.04.46 # well, if we give them meaningful names it might be possible to add them? 16.05.41 # yeah 16.05.47 # Febs, you're in? 16.05.51 # i'll fix that 16.07.25 # ok, all the keymaps should be correct 16.07.51 # im doing a diff now 16.10.09 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 16.10.22 Quit Ave (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.11.47 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp44-247.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.12.10 # looks like you don't handle the quickmenu at all in tree.c 16.12.11 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 16.12.11 # * JdGordon is pulling down a new cvs tree and testing the diff 16.12.30 # i tihnk i added it since the last update 16.12.36 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@85.187.218.57) 16.12.58 # hey Bger, u missed all the fun 16.13.08 # LinusN: latest actions.diff is in my webspace 16.13.13 # ok 16.13.24 # http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/actions.diff 16.13.51 # that doesnt affect menu.h so it should compile fine 16.15.06 Part Neekeetos ("Time makes no sense") 16.15.54 # damn cvs server is slow atm 16.17.34 # doh! didnt do cvs up before diffing, got a few fails in the patch :'( 16.19.11 # and they are all because Bjorn's (c) message has a space at the end :p 16.19.47 # or maybe its the unicode letter stuffing it up, or something 16.20.02 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE1A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.20.20 # i see that your editor seems to remove trailing spaces automatically 16.20.42 # no, i just checked, its not, it must be the o in his name? 16.20.56 # + * Copyright (C) 2002 Bj�n Stenberg 16.21.15 # the o looks wrong 16.21.24 # maybe your editor has issues with unicode 16.22.01 # could be 16.22.03 # i want that ö to be a simple iso8896-1 ö 16.22.46 # bluebrother, sorry, just saw your page. 16.22.51 # What's up? 16.23.25 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.24.01 # h300 target builds fine, no warnings 16.26.20 # JdGordon: i think tree.c, line 847 needs a call to action_signalscreenchange() 16.27.25 # yep, it does 16.27.35 # otherwise it resumes in a paused state 16.28.01 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-15-176.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.28.13 # and last_button can be removed there probably 16.28.21 # guess so 16.28.31 # ondio build is broken 16.28.34 # Febs, I just noticed you replaced the {} behind macros with \'s. Like \dap{} to \dap\ 16.28.42 # undefined reference to `_quick_screen_quick 16.29.28 # the brackets were intended -- the \ can produce unwanted spaces in the output, so I'm favoring the {} variant (as it is completely correct) 16.30.34 # JdGordon: ondio has no quick screen, to my knowledge 16.31.06 # ye, it needs to be ifdefd out, or defined in the .h which would add that code to the ondio for nothing 16.31.24 # by that code i mean the ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN case 16.32.29 # well it is handled by the presence of a button define in the current code 16.32.51 # it's not that simple now 16.33.02 # bluebrother, OK, I'll change those back. I was trying to track down a mysterious compiler error so I was just trying different things to see what worked. 16.33.17 # #ifdef HAVE_QUICKSCREEN 16.33.30 # put that above the ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN case and all is fine 16.33.44 # np, you can just leave them but there's no need to change them also ;-) 16.33.56 # the confusing part here is that there are two quickscreens on the recorder 16.33.59 Join San [0] (n=San@213-202-180-103.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 16.34.02 # mysterious error? Sounds mysterious ;-) 16.34.07 Quit damaki (Remote closed the connection) 16.34.12 # LinusN: rename them then :D 16.34.28 # :-) 16.34.54 # <_FireFly_> WPS_QUICKSCREEN and QUICKSCREEN maybe ? 16.35.09 # <_FireFly_> or the second FILETREE_QUICKSCREEN 16.35.36 # Not surprisingly, the mysterious error turned out not to be a missing bracket ... not so mysterious after all. 16.35.47 # out not to be/out to be 16.35.54 # to be or not to be 16.36.11 # That is the question. 16.36.16 # :-) 16.36.16 # <_FireFly_> that is the question ;) 16.36.18 # _FireFly_: no, one quickscreen is the regular one and the other is shortcut to sound settings.. or sometihng.. isnt it? 16.36.22 # <_FireFly_> oh too slow ;) 16.36.36 # lcd settings 16.36.57 # could be as easy as QUICKSCREEN2 16.36.58 # <_FireFly_> JdGordon: yeah but only accessibly when you are in wps i guess 16.37.59 # <_FireFly_> hmm wait that screen can also be accessed when you are in the filetree because the two quickscreens has different key-defines 16.39.11 # i believe QUICKSCREEN2 would be fine 16.39.56 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 16.43.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.44.17 # Bluebrother, I've substantial progress today writing a "Working with Playlists" chapter for the manual. 16.44.31 # great :) 16.44.47 # I'll probably add the file to CVS later today, although I won't yet actually add it to the manual. 16.44.57 # LinusN: completly changing the subject.. are you going to commit the dirwalker patch? 16.45.16 # oh, i had forgotten about that one 16.45.21 # unfortunately I won't have much time for the next couple of times. Hopefully this changes in a week or so. 16.45.45 # Real life has an annoying habit of getting in the way. 16.46.02 # yeah. Especially in situations when you at least need it. 16.48.50 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host86-140-236-132.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) 16.50.38 Quit San||Away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.53.19 Join tucoz [0] (n=50ca6307@labb.contactor.se) 16.53.38 # hi bluebrother, febs. Nice work on the manual :) 16.54.06 # hi tucoz, nice to see you again :) 16.54.23 # bluebrother, I have started to change the \pagerefs to \ref. Do you think I should continiue to work on this? 16.55.00 # absolutely. "See page xxx" looks kinda strange in the html manual ;-) 16.55.01 # Or should I write a macro that will handle references instead? 16.55.35 # yeah, the html manual is definitley in need of another reference system 16.55.41 # but then you need to change the text with a macro ... I don't think this will work as expected. 16.55.42 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 16.55.56 # probably. \ref will do 16.56.01 # but I was always in favor of referencing to sections. 16.56.06 # me too 16.56.20 # and we can set the depth of the sections as well (iirc) 16.56.40 # although the standard depth is what I want 16.56.49 # I'll quitely voice my preference for using "See $section (page xx)" in the pdf, and $section in html 16.57.23 # rasher, why naming the page number when references are hyperlinked in the pdf anyway? 16.57.38 # Well, if we're going to pretend someone will print the manual at some point 16.57.51 # Referencing sections only would be a pain in that case 16.58.17 # I don't think so. Most technical documentation references to sections only, and I'm quite used to it. 16.58.31 # rasher: while I agree that it is easier to find a page than a section, I wouldn't go as far as referring to a section as a pain 16.59.15 # You have to first check the index, find the section, page number and THEN you can turn to the page 16.59.22 # as opposed to say, having the page number right here 16.59.28 # 1am.. bedtime, gnight all 16.59.34 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.59.54 # I don't see how that is not annoying, assuming a printed manual 17.00.12 # in the pdf, it could be labelled "See gooklygook" for all I care, as long as it's hyperlinked 17.00.20 # when having it printed you can simply look for the chapter (which is mentioned in the page header) and quickly "browse" a few pages further to the mentioned section. 17.01.17 # Ugh, all this guesswork and browsing, just to avoid putting the page number there. I don't really see the benefit 17.01.30 # ok, we could redefine the \ref macro to produce something like "\ref{#1} (page \pageref{#1})" 17.01.30 # another vote for (page xx) in the pdf.. 17.01.37 # Imho, I think the in-text ref's should point to a section, and in the future use an index to find keywords. 17.01.48 # which point to a page where that keyword is mentioned 17.02.10 # agreed on the index. 17.03.00 # One problem is that when referring to a page as opposed to a section, is that the wording is different in those two cases (see page 22, see 1.4.3) 17.03.42 # I agree that only referencing the page is confusing 17.04.19 # But "see $section (p. 123)" seems by far the most reader-friendly choice to me. 17.04.36 # I agree, but I do not agree that it is hard to find a section 17.04.55 # hmm. This indeed could be easily solved with a macro. 17.04.56 # if finding a page is super-easy, then finding a section is easy. 17.05.06 # but on finding a section I agree with tucoz. 17.05.32 # I'm not saying it is rocket science, just that it's an annoyance 17.05.43 # To me, anyway 17.05.44 # hmmm, did we reach a conclusion about what to call the joystick button on the h100 series, navi or select? 17.05.57 # I think I like select for the h100 17.06.04 # and navi on the h300 17.06.06 # Same here 17.06.15 # But then, calling them the same might be wise 17.06.20 # I like select, but otoh the remote uses navi so I'm a bit indifferent. 17.06.28 # me too 17.06.36 # hmm, didn't know that 17.06.48 # select sound more natural to me. 17.06.51 # the h100 manual calls it Navi 17.06.55 # really? 17.07.06 Join Febs_ [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 17.07.11 # the "navi/menu button" 17.07.23 Quit Febs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.07.25 # I've been away for too long :) 17.07.39 # in the h1xx platform file it's definitely "select" 17.07.56 # that's a name i made up when first porting the h100 17.07.58 # I think he's talkking about the iriver Manual 17.08.10 # oh, that 17.08.11 # yes i am 17.08.17 # ah, ok. 17.08.28 # maybe we should follow that then 17.08.34 # i think so too 17.08.40 # in that case using navi may be a bit more convenient for users that are switching. 17.08.49 # I agree, now. 17.08.52 # :) 17.08.58 # so be it 17.08.59 Join oll [0] (n=oleg@80-235-61-16-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) 17.09.11 # hi! 17.09.16 # good that it is an easy change. We only need to change the platform file, and the front-image 17.09.24 # btw, wasn't there a discussion on this in some tracker thread? 17.09.25 # was about to commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5364 when i started thinking again 17.09.29 # I'm looking for plugin which play divx movies 17.09.32 # is there any? 17.09.34 # oll: no 17.09.35 # oll: no 17.09.56 # And it's unlikely that there'll be one in the near future 17.09.58 # so, only converting to mpg will help? 17.10.02 # no 17.10.04 # oll, no 17.10.15 # rockbox doesn't support video right now. 17.10.18 # Rockbox does currently not play video on anything but Archos devices 17.10.32 # emmmmmm 17.10.34 # ..which is a custom video format (.rvf) 17.10.45 # bad 17.10.54 # but you can still use the OF to play movies (if that supports video) 17.11.08 # how can I choose on loading which firmware to use? 17.11.16 # is there special bootfile for that? 17.11.17 # depends on your player. 17.11.30 # i have ipod video 17.11.44 # <_FireFly_> oll is it mostly a key combo you must hold when powering on the device 17.11.56 # <_FireFly_> s/is it/it is 17.12.02 # Strange that my h120 won't exit bootloader usb mode when I unplug, but regular USB mode detects unplugging just fine 17.12.13 # where I can have more info about that? 17.12.21 # rasher, I recently had problems with usb mode too. 17.12.22 # what keys I have to hold? 17.12.28 # oll: it's in the wiki somewhere 17.12.30 # oll, see the wiki. IIRC it was select. 17.12.43 # ok 17.12.50 # thank you guys 17.12.54 # appreciate 17.12.55 # on ipod you can also use the ipl bootloader to get a nice menu. 17.13.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple 17.13.25 # after usb disconnect playback doesn't work anymore (h120 too) 17.13.38 # bluebrother: well, that's completely unlike my problems 17.13.59 # So that's fun. 17.14.17 # ok. But it's still annoying. And also usb-mode related 17.14.32 # Also, is speaking directories/files competely broken? It is not working for me at all 17.14.32 # is there a future plans to make a rockbox with video support and some divx stuff? 17.14.46 # oll, not in the near future. 17.15.05 # oll: No plans. There's been sporadic work on xvid and mpeg1 afaik, but nothing too interesting 17.15.15 Part LinusN 17.15.15 # but of course you can start writing a plugin to do so ;-) 17.16.15 Join webguest72 [0] (n=54996aac@labb.contactor.se) 17.16.40 # rasher, any further progress on the sudoku levels patch 17.17.18 # webguest72: No, I did everything I could. It basically works, but there's a compile-warning that I do not know how to get rid of 17.17.38 # rasher, you need to make a typecast. 17.17.39 # it woould most probably even fix a bug where sudoku freezes after generating six mediums in a row to get to a hard 17.17.52 # bluebrother I'm going to think on that ;) 17.18.22 # webguest72: I wouldn't count on that - my patch just generates until it hits the right difficulty 17.18.46 # so if there's any bug related to repeated generation, this approach will more than likely hit it as well 17.18.47 # ah it it does automatically what I would do manually ? 17.18.50 # bluebrother: tell me more 17.19.04 # webguest72: exactly, there's no way to be smarter with the current code 17.19.09 # sudoku_generate(state, (char*) difficulties[result]); 17.19.15 # It can only tell the difficulty after the fact 17.19.43 # rasher, difficulties is static while sudoku_generate expects a char* 17.20.01 # <_FireFly_> bluebrother: static isn't a type afaik 17.20.01 # yes i can get sudoku to freeze whilst repeatedly generating until i get to a hard 17.20.04 # but your patch (tried it some days ago) locks up my player and the sim 17.20.27 # bluebrother: are you sure it isn't just thinking like mad? 17.20.37 # It can take a while 17.20.52 # <_FireFly_> rasher: have you the warning message 17.20.59 # _FireFly_, I'm referring to static char* vs. char* which is different (from the compliers view) and thus something to complain about 17.21.18 # rasher, I had the sim running for some minutes before I cancelled it. 17.21.41 # Strange, maybe some logfing would be in order 17.21.42 # <_FireFly_> bluebrother: now it makes sense ;) 17.21.43 # or DEBUGF 17.23.44 # bluebrother, rasher: I'll start working on something (wrt the refs) tonight. I'll let you know before I commit anything 17.25.02 Part tucoz 17.25.10 # Is there any point in keeping databox around at this point? 17.26.32 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.27.15 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.27.43 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.27.55 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 17.28.29 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host86-140-236-132.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) 17.28.30 Part webguest72 17.30.55 # This is frustrating. I need to test my voice-clip generating script, but I cannot make voice work on my player 17.31.01 # any tips? 17.31.31 Quit sharpe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.31.33 # (I tried using the "official" talkbox winows script) 17.31.34 Join sharpe` [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc2c.cable.mindspring.com) 17.33.58 # Blimey, it's working. Now I'm left wondering what made it not work. 17.35.28 # Now, for my next question: Where can I find information about how to build .voice files? As in, what is the structure of a voice file? 17.37.27 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.39.39 # Hrm, Rockbox only plays .talk clips for Music files and directories? Bug or feature? 17.40.04 # Also, no voiced browsing during playback? 17.41.03 # (This is on swcodec 17.41.04 # ) 17.42.07 # omg i went accidentally to the playback settings on rockbox.. :) 17.42.09 Quit Febs_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.42.16 # now i'll use rockbox only 17.54.39 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 17.55.07 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.57.33 Join dfg [0] (n=husbdadt@50.10.99-84.rev.gaoland.net) 17.58.08 Quit dfg (Client Quit) 18.00.06 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82.14.24.155) 18.02.54 # ah, probably found the crash bug from the playback engine.. 18.03.04 # _the_ crash bug? 18.03.24 # yes, when one skips alot, buffers get desynced and finally player hard crashs 18.04.04 # but of course there might be more similar bugs present also 18.04.17 Join Moos [0] (n=c4cebe7d@labb.contactor.se) 18.04.33 # I was more thinking, is this an often-encountered one? 18.06.19 # Hello guys ! 18.06.43 # rasher: at least i encounter often more than once a day 18.06.51 # +that 18.07.00 Quit Hulex () 18.07.30 # Slasheri: do you know who I need to ask for info on voicefile structure? 18.07.46 # or do I need to check the windows scripts 18.08.54 # hmm, checking talk.c (or talk.h) should contain the structures and headers 18.11.03 Quit oll () 18.12.47 # is there any X5 user around? 18.14.06 Join rasher_ [0] (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 18.14.32 Quit rasher (Nick collision from services.) 18.14.37 Nick rasher_ is now known as rasher (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 18.15.05 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.16.32 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.16.42 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 18.19.16 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@adsl-70-237-220-151.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 18.20.04 Join rasher_ [0] (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 18.24.19 # Not again.. 18.24.37 Quit rasher_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.24.41 # gotcha 18.25.39 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 18.26.50 # Moos: Yup 18.27.14 # Oh..he quit oops 18.32.21 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 18.32.54 Join GuyIncogn [0] (i=GuyIncog@cpe-24-210-115-242.ma.res.rr.com) 18.33.00 # halo 18.33.26 # is there anybody ... out there 18.34.18 # Some.. if you have a question, just ask it 18.35.09 # just logged on first time, testing 18.35.23 # anybody on here involved in the sansa e200 port ? 18.35.51 # As far as I know, only Bagder, and I don't think he's around 18.36.02 # k 18.38.00 Quit secleinteer () 18.40.30 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@adsl-70-237-220-151.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 18.42.55 # is a sleep mode close to come for ipods? :o 18.43.17 # No closer than about 3 days ago when you last asked... 18.43.30 # lol 18.43.35 # not even 3 days closer ? 18.43.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.43.50 Join GuyIncognito [0] (i=GuyIncog@cpe-24-210-115-242.ma.res.rr.com) 18.44.33 Part GuyIncogn 18.44.49 # GuyIncogn: Considering that no-one is working on it... 18.48.10 # Why is "voicefont.cpp" and "wavtrim.c" from VoiceBuilding not in cvs? 18.48.44 # more importantly, why are they just attachments in the wiki with no license attached? 18.50.33 # Also, USB mode seems broken for me after using recording 18.50.36 # on h120 18.50.52 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host108-202.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 18.51.21 # Do all the ports have the problem that if you pause/stop playback in a song and then start a new one, the previous one continues playing for about a second? Or just x5? 18.51.51 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE1A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.52.08 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 18.52.26 # Or any other ports at all for that matter 18.52.28 # jhMikeS: Are you saying it happens with both pause and stop? 18.52.58 # linuxstb: I recall trying it but I can make super double sure 18.54.48 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 18.54.58 # oh no, not stop that's fine. sry. why at all? 18.54.59 Join webguest45 [0] (n=c4cebe7d@labb.contactor.se) 18.56.10 # So it's a problem if you pause, and then whilst paused, skip to another track? 18.56.33 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp143-231.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.56.36 # Yes. 18.56.45 # Sounds familiar... 18.57.01 # Peak meters and all start up 18.57.10 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 18.57.11 # then the next song starts 18.57.23 # re guys 18.58.01 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 18.58.06 # linuxstb: happens a lot huh? 18.58.30 # jhMikeS: is the remote suposed to work already on X5? 18.59.35 # webguest45: I tried it yesterday but it doesn't accept input yet. 18.59.55 # webguest45: maybe that changed overnight. dunno. 19.00.17 # jhMikeS: I can't recreate it now on my ipod.. 19.00.40 # yeah didn't work here too 19.00.48 Quit webguest45 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.00.58 # linuxstb: hmmm...does it matter whether or not the track is the next or just browsing and skipping to some random one? It doesn't matter for me. 19.01.51 # webguest45: on what? 19.02.44 # * rasher pings [IDC]Dragon 19.03.07 # he's not on the chan 19.03.18 # so pinging him is kind of useless :) 19.03.51 # There's always the hope that someone is reading the channel log 19.04.20 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 19.05.15 # webguest45: You're not using an x5 right? 19.06.00 Quit secleinteer () 19.06.50 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@adsl-70-237-220-151.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 19.06.55 # * jhMikeS think he's so dumb cause he didn't notice webguest45 had left :\ 19.09.18 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 19.10.45 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 19.11.33 Quit JoeyBorn (Connection timed out) 19.12.39 Join Drkepilogue [0] (n=478de5b0@labb.contactor.se) 19.13.58 # How many around here actually have x5s? Doesn't seem like alot. 19.15.56 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 19.20.43 # 8^* 19.21.20 Quit JoeBorn (Connection timed out) 19.23.18 Quit GuyIncognito ("Leaving") 19.32.47 Join Ave [0] (i=ave@GKDXXXII.dsl.saunalahti.fi) 19.33.25 Quit JoeXBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.36.48 # I'm a bit curious on which decoder is more efficient... ogg or mp3? 19.37.34 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE1A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.40.39 # dwihno: mp3 19.41.02 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 19.41.51 # dwihno: ogg keeps the CPU boost ratio at about 75-80% where mp3 only about 20% 19.42.25 # aha 19.42.38 # Hm, on my ipod I get ~60-70% boost... 19.42.52 # so ogg might be glitchy then? 19.42.52 # ipods are different 19.43.08 # same decoder 19.43.16 # perhaps more optimizations on the ipod... 19.43.17 # no...just heavier to decode 19.43.26 # for ipods, the mp3 decoder is worse than it is on other devices 19.43.32 # so it ends up being worse than ogg 19.43.36 # LinusN: I just added my talk clip script to the tracker 19.43.38 # aah 19.43.43 # rasher: nice 19.43.50 # voice file generation still pending 19.43.51 # I use OGG vorbis only when I need perfect gapless for that reason. 19.43.51 # Galois: so the ogg decoder is actually faster on the ipod? 19.43.52 # strange 19.44.09 # and the ogg decoder is better than it is on other devices 19.44.32 # I can't see why. 19.44.40 Quit TucknDar () 19.45.01 # LinusN: do you know what the deal with voicefont.cpp and wavtrim.c from VoiceBuilding is? They have no license attached but credited to Jörg. Why are they not in cvs? 19.45.11 # it's because the ogg decoder comes with ARM assembly optimizations, and ipod is the only ARM platform for rockbox 19.45.23 # aha 19.45.34 # rasher: simply because nobody has cared enough to put them in cvs 19.45.50 # I thought there were 68k optimizations for the ogg decoder... My mistake. 19.46.37 # LinusN: You moved the lcd framebuffer out of IRAM. Framerates took a big hit. 19.46.45 # yup 19.46.59 # dwihno: afaik, there are 19.47.22 # rasher: ok 19.47.44 # I think the iPod processor is just quit good, when fed proper code 19.47.47 # quite 19.47.59 # jhMikeS: to encode gapless oggs, are extra parameters required for the encoder, similar to lame? 19.48.08 # No. Ogg is inherently gapless 19.48.09 # dwihno: no 19.48.16 # ah 19.49.36 # any recommended options for the encoder, similar to --alt-preset standard in lame? 19.50.11 # LinusN: how come? not enough room left for something else? 19.50.21 # jhMikeS: exactly 19.50.29 # dwihno: Just pass it -qX where X is whatever produces a filesize/quality you like 19.50.32 # dwihno: I use Q=7. 19.50.37 # dwihno: I don't think there's much magic involved 19.50.42 # Q=3 here 19.51.11 # ah 19.51.19 # I'll listen and check what feels right 19.51.49 # and how are LAME mp3s not "perfectly gapless"? 19.51.57 # I use -q5. Gives about 160kbit and is similar (imo) to 192kbit mp3 19.52.02 # I did post a patch to speed things up. No lookup table anymore either. 19.52.23 # lame violates the iso mpeg standard in order to produce so-called gapless mp3s 19.52.32 # jhMikeS: is that patch cvs-ready? 19.52.50 # Galois: in what way? 19.53.00 # yes. It comes with a test plugin so you can check it out first 19.53.20 # Galois - even if that is true - how does that affect the gaplessness or lack-thereof of their playback? 19.53.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5740 19.53.49 # for that matter, even id3 tags violate the stndrd 19.53.58 # +a 19.54.46 # Galois: in what way does lame violate the standard? 19.55.42 # uh, it's not an mpeg frame 19.55.59 # the lame header? 19.56.20 # http://gabriel.mp3-tech.org/mp3infotag.html 19.57.07 # Galois: ok, so the violation would be that the frame doesn't contain audio data? 19.57.26 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 19.57.38 # the iso standard allows certain metadata (copyright flag, crc), but nothing on the scale of lame/id3 abuse 19.57.56 # absolutely true 19.58.19 # that would include the Xing VBR header as well 19.58.50 # so yes, basically every MP3 player in existence violate the standard 19.59.11 # de facto / de jure 20.00.47 # Could any devs look at a patch for me please? 20.01.10 # which one? 20.01.23 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 20.01.26 # 5166 20.02.02 # i had a look at it 15 minutes ago 20.02.13 # i think it looks good 20.02.31 # nice to hear :) 20.02.36 # I just managed to generate a voice file 20.02.40 # but it's 4mb :-\ 20.02.46 # I'll upload the script anyway 20.03.06 Join ]RowaN[ [0] (i=a2b0y@82-43-214-84.cable.ubr10.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.03.34 # <]RowaN[> can anyone recommend a half decent pendant style flash/sd mp3 player? 20.03.43 # LinusN: does anything need changing? 20.04.03 # obo: i think you should move mktime() to firmware/common/timefuncs.c 20.04.38 # LinusN: Why does the previous file keep playing for a second when switching tracks while paused? BTW: Some ipod owners tried it and it doesn't happen for them. Maybe X5 only issue? 20.05.20 # LinusN: voicefile script added (FS#5746). I'm off now. 20.05.28 # okay, thanks 20.06.13 # jhMikeS: maybe it's because the DMA finished the current chunk before moving on 20.06.55 # i believe the next-file function doesn't flush the currently playing dma buffer 20.07.16 # probably a coldfire issue 20.07.45 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 20.07.57 # jhMikeS: better file a bug report with a detailed description on how to reproduce it 20.08.50 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE1A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.10.16 # LinusN: will do. very easy to do. 20.12.46 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.13.43 # i never really understood the point with audioscrobbler 20.14.19 # LinusN: to learn and find out about new bands and music that you might like I guess 20.15.15 # their streaming radio is nice also 20.15.21 # suddenly i get it 20.15.44 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 20.15.58 # you can really customize it, or listen to radio based on your habits, or based on someone else's habits, or many other variations. The service is a really great way to find new music. 20.16.04 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.16.12 # LinusN: Are you planning on committing the audioscrobbler patch? 20.16.27 # well, i had a look at it 20.17.01 # It is really a quite functional music social networking tool, even if the recent redesign reminds me of MySpace. 20.18.43 # i wonder if we should call it "Last.fm log" instead of "Audioscrobbler log" 20.19.00 # IMHO it wouldn't be a bad idea to hype it, and try to steer "social" conversations from the channel and esp. the forums over to the Rockbox group on Last.FM (Audioscrobbler). 20.19.57 # Is the log specific to audioscrobbler/last.fm ? Or could it be used for other purposes? 20.20.09 # it's a text log 20.20.25 # formatted according to the audioscrobbler spec 20.20.37 # but it could very well be used for other purposes 20.21.08 # the submission format is audioscrobbler specific, but there is no reason the rockbox log needs to be. The perl script could do all the parsing of a generic log. 20.21.17 # I'm just thinking that maybe we should call it something generic, even if it's compliant with the audioscrobbler spec. 20.22.01 # The spec defines the name of the log to ".scrobbler.log" - but saying that it isn't in use yet (on their side) 20.22.56 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ 20.23.25 # Bagder: nice design 20.23.33 # :-) 20.23.45 # Ok...bug reported 20.23.51 # Bagder: You should remove bootloader-color-nodefault.bin - it's a patched bootloader that someone added to the wiki which starts the apple OS by default... 20.23.53 # all the bootloader attachments 20.23.59 # ok 20.24.18 # would it be worth adding the FAT32 mbrs from the ipod OSX page? 20.24.21 # There are also some Mac utilities on the IpodInstallationFromMacOSX page.. 20.25.08 # How does the x5v bootloader differ? I don't see a way of builing that one in particular from CVS. 20.25.10 # obo: is there a perl script as well? 20.25.39 # yes - not written by me, but it works very well 20.25.41 # but the zip files aren't really needed, are they? 20.25.50 # obo: where? 20.25.58 # (I copied all the mac files) 20.26.16 # Bagder: Which zip files? 20.26.20 # LinusN: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42767 should have the most recent version 20.26.34 # ipodpatcher-0.2.zip for example 20.27.23 # That contains the source for ipodpatcher (but -0.3 is newer) - the source isn't anywhere else. Similarly diskdump-0.1.zip on the Mac page. 20.27.45 # ok 20.27.50 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 20.27.59 # then I'll leave them there 20.29.00 # Guess someone now needs to update the wiki and manual then.... 20.29.26 Join pijulius [0] (n=pijulius@80.96.24.77) 20.29.32 # hi guys 20.30.03 # * linuxstb goes to edit IpodInstallation 20.30.15 # could someone please help me with font loading in rockbox? I would like to load 3-4 fonts to the cache and use them in my wps 20.31.07 # I already wrote some patches that make positioning the text using x/y coordinates, and I did a custom font face too, but I used font_load, but that uses the hdd every time it loads a font 20.31.53 # pijulius: there's no support for multiple fonts yet 20.31.57 # so you'd need to add that 20.32.02 # bbl 20.32.23 Quit rasher ("Lost terminal") 20.33.01 Quit Poka64 ("XChat 2.6.6 - www.xchat.org") 20.33.19 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 20.33.36 # Bagder, I would, but could you please give me a few instructions for doing that? for e.g. which function should I use to load a font into the chache so I can later on use them with setfont 20.34.06 # pijulius: Have you looked at the patch on flyspray which started to add multiple font support to Rockbox? 20.34.16 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net) 20.34.27 # linuxstb, hmm, didn't know that, do you have the link? 20.34.53 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 20.35.01 # jhMikeS: the x5v bootloader is identical to the x5, except for the id string in the header 20.35.07 # No, but I'm sure you can find it by searching flyspray. 20.35.29 # sure, thanks a lot guys, will get back with the foundings 20.35.36 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.35.40 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@219.133.166.91) 20.36.08 # Seems I don't have permission to delete attachments from the wiki... 20.36.12 # LinusN: Thanks. Dumb question...how do you choose which to build? No menu option AFAIK. 20.36.39 # Hex edit? 20.37.05 # an argument to tools/scramble 20.37.25 # -iaudiox5 or -iaudiox5v 20.37.25 # ahh 20.37.42 # thanks. 20.39.19 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h111n2c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 20.39.52 Quit obo ("bye") 20.40.01 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.42.42 Part stripwax 20.43.23 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.43.51 Join San||Away [0] (n=San@213-202-162-241.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 20.43.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.47.37 Join San| [0] (n=San@213-202-167-24.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 20.48.20 Quit spiorf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.51.16 Quit pijulius ("Leaving") 20.54.29 # oh man! major thunderstorm. gtg 20.54.31 Quit jhMikeS ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 20.55.22 Quit lodesi (Remote closed the connection) 20.55.59 Quit mantono ("Lost terminal") 20.56.56 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host108-202.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 20.58.04 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.58.46 # hmm, i probably fixed the playback engine crashing.. but need to test more to be sure 20.59.22 # at least buffers seems to keep in sync now 21.00.54 Quit JoeXBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.03 Quit San||Away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.57 Join ToyKeeper [0] (i=spanky@24.9.90.246) 21.02.55 # * ToyKeeper == grateful rockbox-on-X5 newb 21.03.14 # congrats 21.04.02 # I'm kinda wondering... sometimes when I go to the next song, the current playlist position stays the same while the playlist size decreases by one... is that normal? 21.04.24 # So, 1/2922 becomes 1/2921, instead of 2/2922. 21.05.25 # I haven't yet figured out what conditions cause it. 21.05.45 # ToyKeeper: queue? 21.06.29 # ToyKeeper: that happens if the file could not be opened 21.06.51 # then it is removed from the playlist 21.07.20 # iirc 21.07.22 # It opens and plays the file... just removes the first playlist entry. It could be a queue thing, I suppose. 21.07.36 # yes, it can also happen if you queued a file 21.07.52 # It sounds like PEBKAC, then. :) 21.07.55 # then the queued file is removed from the playlist after being played 21.08.31 # hmmm, maybe we removed the "feature" that removed bad songs from the playlist, i donät remember 21.08.47 # In other news, I've got my first theme under way... any thoughts? 21.08.48 # http://toykeeper.net/tmp/TKX5b-5.png 21.09.06 # lsd is my first 21.09.13 # ToyKeeper: looks nice 21.09.21 # and i mean that in a good way of course 21.10.19 # Oh, that reminds me. The 0/10 thing is the song rating... I haven't yet found any way to change or use the rating, other than displaying it. 21.10.31 # Are ratings actually implemented yet? 21.11.28 # I implemented ratings and a semi-intelligent auto-DJ in another player a while back... was kinda hoping to find or make something similar for rockbox. 21.13.05 # aren't ratings just in a tag? 21.14.22 # Sometimes, but I've never liked that approach. Regardless, does rockbox use the rating for anything? 21.15.11 # i don't believe we actually read the rating tag... i'm not too familiar with certain parts of the code, that being one part i'm not. 21.15.48 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82.14.24.155) 21.16.18 # The most effective way I've found to use it is to compare a random number to the rating while picking the next song, and skip it if the rating is lower than the random number. 21.16.30 # Basically, it causes better songs to get played more often. 21.17.30 Quit preglow (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.04 # A strict linear approach is so-so, but weighting it seems to work well. (assuming the rating is 0.0 - 1.0, cubing the rating works pretty well) 21.18.47 # This assumes that skipped songs get re-queued, though, since it may skip dozens of songs in a row before it finds one it likes. 21.19.23 # Anyway, if I implemented something like that, is there any chance it could be accepted upstream, or should I just stick to local patches? 21.19.23 Join polluxx2006 [0] (n=polluxx@xdsl-81-173-188-209.netcologne.de) 21.19.34 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-079-058.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.19.44 # ToyKeeper: it depends on many things 21.20.11 # currently playlist code marks bad files as bad and skips them 21.20.22 # files are no longer being removed automatically from the playlist 21.20.29 # mainly the quality of the patch and the overall usefulness 21.20.42 # Slasheri: ah yes now i remember 21.20.48 # :) 21.21.28 # They wouldn't exactly be "bad" files, as in unplayable... just not rated high enough to be played this time through the playlist. 21.22.26 # hmm, it should be possible to add other status flags as well.. but probably that "bad" flag would work too 21.22.27 # Slasheri: is there room for another flag in the playlist? 21.22.32 # yes 21.22.40 # sounds like a candidate then 21.23.16 # I don't think a flag covers it. The song rating would need to be re-evaluated every time it's a candidate for being played. 21.23.33 # current playlist limit (probably the item count) is 256M and adding one new status flag would drop it to 128M 21.23.43 # such a thing sounds like it would only be useful in shuffle mode 21.23.45 # i think that would be still enough and more player could handle ;) 21.24.10 # hello! can anbody help me? id like to put my wps to the gallery and have some problems with it. 21.24.21 # Yes, it'd only be useful in shuffle mode, unless you had a sequence of songs all rated at 100%. 21.25.04 # Anyway, I think this tells me plenty for now. I'll most likely bring it up again later once I've learned more about the current code. 21.25.05 # :) 21.25.25 # if you recorded the percentage of times that a song is skipped before the end as a rating and then used ToyKeeper's method with the random number that could be really effective 21.25.53 # ah, but what if they just wanted to skip it, rather that not like it? 21.26.43 Part LinusN 21.26.44 # surely that would happen equally with all songs 21.27.08 # heh, a cat just exited my room 21.27.19 # i was not aware my room had contained a cat 21.27.29 # anyone got a macbook? 21.27.41 # Mikachu: well, the question is, do you own a cat? 21.27.47 # i do not 21.27.55 # but the door is open 21.28.09 # polluxx2006, just ask. Without knowing your problem noone will answer it ;-) 21.28.36 # aye, it'd just end up logged and nothing more... 21.31.51 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 21.32.12 # bluey: What's the problem? 21.34.05 Quit bluey- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.34.21 # well bluebrother: i registered to the wiki and opened the gallery and clicked "attach" and got "access denied" 21.34.50 # (following the wps-submit-instructions before) 21.34.58 # did you login too? 21.35.13 # sure 21.35.41 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDDED.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.35.51 # hmm, I get a "attach file" page. 21.35.52 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 21.36.07 # well... where do i have to login then? 21.36.20 # oh sorry... 21.36.22 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@p54AEDDED.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.36.32 # yes, i got the login-popup. sure 21.37.44 # can you edit the page? 21.38.49 # no. i cant even login with my login-date# 21.38.51 # data 21.39.17 # hmm. has the login process changed with the latest twiki update? 21.39.26 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 21.40.17 # maybe it has send out a confirmation email? 21.40.18 # i dont know 21.40.35 # polluxx2006: what is your login name? 21.40.49 # RiverRunsRed 21.40.58 # oooh. 21.41.03 # :( 21.41.07 # and it also says that the activation code is invalid :( 21.41.14 # I guess this isn't your real name ... 21.41.21 # no, its my wiki.-name 21.41.31 # you really should use your real name... 21.41.39 # you read this on the registering page: Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy. We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule. 21.41.41 # not should 21.41.43 # need 21.42.04 # scorche: but really should is just like saying need. :) 21.42.15 # not always ;) 21.42.52 # ah, ok. Just found the note directly above that. 21.43.02 # also, wheni click on the link to my twiki topic, it says: This Wiki topic does not exist yet 21.43.12 # well, you can choose to not do anything you need to do, just like you can choose to not do anything you really should do. 21.43.30 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 21.43.38 # read the red note here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration 21.44.21 # i did that already 21.44.38 # okay 21.44.39 # :) 21.44.47 # well, here i am, asking 21.45.26 # RiverRunsRed got deleted from TWikiUsers. I guess because it doesn't comply to the naming rules. 21.46.00 # it did, i didnt get any error massage. okay, then ill register again... just a minute 21.47.06 # ok, now it worked 21.47.27 # Linus was quick on that one... 21.47.36 # id like to ask for permission now 21.48.24 # its because i want to put my wps into the gallery 21.49.01 # either linus is really quick atm or it's something automatic -- all "bad" names I found in the history have been removed the same day. 21.49.26 # i'm thinking he's just quick like that. 21.49.28 # Then you'll need a wiki admin. I'm not, so I can't help you. 21.49.36 # anyone with write access can add him. 21.49.43 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-084-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.49.48 # anyone can? 21.50.16 # * bluebrother has no idea what's changed all on the last update 21.50.19 # anyone who was registered before that restriction was added, can... 21.50.44 # bluebrother: you just need to add the name to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsersGroup 21.51.26 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 21.51.52 # polluxx2006: since i am already in the page, what is your name? 21.52.31 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-77-162-229.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 21.52.52 # scorche: my guess is, OliverEsseling 21.53.26 # sharpe`: yeah, but i like to make sure ;)( 21.54.31 # OliverEsseling 21.54.42 # he shoots, he scores... 21.55.24 # done 21.55.36 # so, i can now add my wps to the gallery? 21.55.39 # yse. 21.55.56 # hmm... something went wrong... 21.58.00 # nice idea to hold the wiki clean. 21.58.04 # ok.. but where do i have to write down my name, descrition, link to a screendump ect. as described on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 21.58.13 # rconan: The learning-by-skipping approach may work for some people, but it gives me very bad results. 21.58.40 # ToyKeeper: indeed, for me also. 21.59.08 # ok 21.59.11 # maybe a usb mood ring 21.59.33 # s/hold/keep/ 21.59.33 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 21.59.37 # Mikachu: then it'd be biased by the player's heat... :) 22.00.30 # polluxx2006, go to the appropriate wps page. Use the "edit" link at the bottom of the page. 22.01.46 # or the attach link. I'm not really aware of the process but you've got the description 22.03.11 # ok, ill give it a try 22.03.18 Join webguest39 [0] (n=47d7c016@labb.contactor.se) 22.04.53 Quit webguest39 (Client Quit) 22.07.14 # Hmm, for irivers, the middle button of the joystick is called "select" in the manual, and "navi" in the language files... 22.09.36 # Lear, not lasting for long ... 22.10.02 # You work with the manual? 22.10.09 # (ok, the image will be wrong until someone fixes that) 22.10.15 # yes. 22.11.08 # Well, for Swedish, navi doesn't quite work, imho... 22.12.29 # for swedish? 22.13.25 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 22.14.16 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82.14.24.155) 22.14.33 # Yes, "Navi" in swedish doesn't look good (translated or not)... 22.14.59 # I don't understand the problem 22.15.42 # is it just a weird looking word? At least iriver used this term which was the reason we agreed on using the same term. 22.16.06 # I just think it isn't a good "name" for the button... But I wasn't aware of the reason for it. 22.16.43 # I also think "select" is more "natural", but as iriver used this term (and the remote is labeled with navi) I think it's better to use the same. 22.20.24 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 22.21.52 # I was just reading the commit log and thinking select is a better designation than navi. Is there a reason that the H300 and H100 must be the same? 22.22.55 # (other than consistency, which would be good, but I think that we're stuck with Navi for the H300 as the button itself has that label) 22.23.28 # As far as the lang files goes, it can be different. 22.24.15 # But the patch missed one thing: LANG_BOOKMARK_SELECT_DELETE. On+play is kind of difficult on iriver... :) 22.25.23 # Febs, mainly because iriver also uses navi for that button. 22.26.16 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.30.27 Quit bluebrother ("back another day") 22.30.33 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDDED.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.31.45 # ok, now that i succesfully added my wps to the gallery... whom do i have to ask if i want my wps to be included in rockbox? 22.32.07 # i already posted it on flyspray but got no reaction yet 22.32.17 # don't count on that to happen 22.32.29 # we want only a limited set in the default package 22.37.01 # hmmm... but wouldnt you take a look at m wps first before judging? 22.37.37 # I guess 22.38.08 # badger, i think its looks nice and u is seful, too 22.38.22 # is useful, too 22.43.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.52.20 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp44-247.adsl.forthnet.gr) 22.55.33 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006071912]") 23.00.52 Join XDCK [0] (n=fsb@h81-88-112-155.rev.domonet.ru) 23.00.56 Part XDCK 23.01.55 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.01.56 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 23.09.17 Join Doomed [0] (n=nnscript@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 23.10.30 Quit XavierGr () 23.11.52 Quit TeaSea (No route to host) 23.14.04 Join slimeball [0] (i=jew@trailer-park.net) 23.14.12 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-90-57.dsl.pipex.com) 23.15.36 Quit Doomed ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.17.05 Quit slimeball (Remote closed the connection) 23.17.21 Join slimeball [0] (i=jew@trailer-park.net) 23.18.02 Quit slimeball (Remote closed the connection) 23.18.20 Join slimeball [0] (i=jew@trailer-park.net) 23.18.25 Quit slimeball (Remote closed the connection) 23.22.18 Part polluxx2006 23.24.27 Join slimeball [0] (i=jew@trailer-park.net) 23.27.16 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.32.57 Join polluxx2006 [0] (n=polluxx@xdsl-81-173-188-209.netcologne.de) 23.38.49 Quit polluxx2006 () 23.41.27 Quit Febs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.42.20 Quit Pyromancer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.43.15 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 23.51.57 Quit Poka64 ("nite all") 23.55.10 Quit Bger ("nite")