--- Log for 03.08.106  Server: kornbluth.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.01.55 #       <sharpe> it's kind of funny seeing other people's desktops.
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00.02.34 #       <dionoea> any idea what could cause a bmp->c file transformation to fail ?
00.02.42 #       <dionoea> i get make[4]: *** No rule to make target `solitaire_numbers.8x10x16.bmp', needed by `/home/dionoea/rockbox/rockbox/builds/h3x0-sim/apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/solitaire_numbers.8x10x16.c'.  Stop.
00.02.45 #       <midkay> sharpe wants to see mine, right?
00.02.47 #       <sharpe> corrupt bmp?
00.03.03 #       <dionoea> is the gimp known to save corrupt bmps ?
00.03.10 #       <sharpe> bmp not actually there?
00.03.16 #       <dionoea> it's there
00.03.28 #       <sharpe> midkay: sure.
00.03.35 #       * dionoea double checks the name
00.03.43 #       <Bagder> that's make complaining, it has no idea if the bmp is fine or not
00.03.43 #       <dionoea> yep, filename seems ok
00.03.58 #       <dionoea> well i added the bmp in the SOURCES file
00.04.09 #       <sharpe> ah...
00.04.17 #       <Bagder> try removing the dep file
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00.04.36 #       <dionoea> make clean ?
00.04.40 #       <Bagder> yeah
00.04.56 #       <dionoea> did help :(
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00.05.15 #       <dionoea> i also tried runing configure again
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00.05.46 #       <dionoea> or maybe there's a hidden typo in "#if defined( HAVE_LCD_COLOR )" ... but i can't find it
00.06.10 #       <dionoea> it should read "didn't help". sorry :/
00.08.24 #       <Kalthare> Is the pwd correct?
00.08.45 #       <dionoea> is that question for me ?
00.08.48 #       <Kalthare> Yeah.
00.08.56 #       <Kalthare> It looks like make can't find the file. Maybe it's in the wrong dir?
00.08.59 #       <Mikachu> you mean cwd, pwd is a command to print the cwd
00.09.07 #       <Kalthare> okay, whichever
00.09.12 #       <dionoea> well it's in the same dir as all the other plugin bitmaps which work fine
00.09.21 #       <dionoea> apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/
00.10.04 #       <dionoea> hmmm ... nevermind
00.10.13 #       * dionoea should get some sleep
00.10.25 #       <linuxstb> I'm sure it will fix itself tomorrow...
00.10.47 #       <Kalthare> eh, sorry for being unhelpful.
00.10.48 #       <dionoea> well the numbers bitmap didn't have a color version ... rha
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00.11.25 #       <linuxstb> dionoea: Did it need a colour version?  i.e. can't you just draw the mono bitmaps in different colours?
00.12.27 #       <dionoea> well maybe you want elite graphics with some nice 3D color stuff ...
00.12.39 #       <Bagder> hey
00.12.42 #       <dionoea> (that's hypothetical)
00.12.48 #       <Bagder> elite graphics in Rockbox? are you mad!
00.12.51 #       <Bagder> :-P
00.12.53 #       <dionoea> :)
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00.13.56 #       <Kalthare> Is it possible to make Rockbox use voice samples to announce song names when they start playing, or is it just for the menus?
00.14.53 #       <Mikachu> you would have to create a voice sample for every song...
00.15.20 #       <linuxstb> You mean you want a DJ introducing your songs?
00.15.48 #       <Kalthare> More or less, yeah. Just when I'm using shuffle mode.
00.15.54 #       <Mikachu> or possibly port a very simple tts engine like espeak
00.15.55 #       <linuxstb> (btw, I think the answer's no).
00.16.26 #       <linuxstb> You can make Rockbox speak filenames in the file browser, but it can't announce tracks as they are playing.
00.16.44 #       <Kalthare> Mmm. Maybe I'll try and add it.
00.16.44 #       <linuxstb> (although it's possible, if someone coded it)
00.16.53 #       <Mikachu> linuxstb: how does that work?
00.17.04 #       <Mikachu> pregenerated samples too?
00.17.23 #       <linuxstb> I've never used it, but yes, they are pre-generated files.
00.17.37 #       <Kalthare> Mikachu: yeah, they're MP3s. The instructions are on the wiki.
00.18.23 #       * linuxstb wonders if blind users would like a talking WPS
00.19.00 #       <dionoea> or beeps when the battery is runing out
00.19.05 #       <Mikachu> "you have paused the music"
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00.19.22 #       <linuxstb> I know I've paused the music, I pressed pause...
00.19.35 #       <Mikachu> yes, and the joke is that it is quite audible too
00.19.35 #       <Bagder> "you have listened 2 minutes and 23 seconds.. .24 seconds... 25 seconds..."
00.19.54 #       <linuxstb> talking peakmeters...
00.20.00 #       <dionoea> hehe
00.20.12 #       <dionoea> yay ! no build errors
00.20.15 #       <dionoea> 'gnite
00.20.20 #       <Mikachu> Programming Without Thinking
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00.20.55 #       <Mikachu> that was in reference to talking peakmeters, not dionoea
00.21.04 #       <dionoea> :(
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00.21.42 #       <dionoea> hum ... the CVS build didn't include my last commit ... might be the reason why there were no errors
00.22.03 #       <sharpe> just maybe.
00.22.15 #       <Mikachu> linuxstb: i have a keybind on my computer to make espeak read the current title out loud, but i've never used it.. :)
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00.22.59 #       <Kalthare> Well, gotta go.. busy day. I'll see if I can figure anything out for that DJ thing.
00.23.25 #       <Bagder> Kalthare: that's not gonna be an easy task
00.23.34 #       <Bagder> but indeed a challange
00.23.44 #       <Kalthare> Bagder: oh?
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00.28.57 #       <Kalthare> Hm, installing _another_ ARM toolchain. Woo.
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00.29.15 #       <Bagder> everyone needs a handful!
00.29.22 #       <Mikachu> i think i have 2 or 3 too
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00.30.08 #       <Kalthare> I think I have, like.. 3 or 4. Plus this one.
00.32.02 #       <Bagder> why stop at that when there's sh, m68k and more too! ;-)
00.33.12 #       <midkay> haha.
00.33.22 #       <sharpe> i'll be like midkay. hahah.
00.33.34 #       <midkay> stop that. stop ending your laughs with "h".
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00.33.41 #       <midkay> "hah" or "heheheheh".
00.33.54 #       <sharpe> i never use "heheheheh"
00.34.07 #       <midkay> examples. now stop spamming the channel.
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00.34.59 #       <Kalthare> Hm, true. I _do_ have a Dreamcast and a pre-ARM Palm that I could theoretically develop for. ...But, no.
00.35.38 #       <Mikachu> my other one is for gba
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00.37.00 #       <Kalthare> Mine are for Palm, PSP (That's ARM, right? I haven't slept much lately), GP32 and GP2X.
00.37.47 #       <Mikachu> wouldn't one be enough though? :)
00.37.54 #       <Mikachu> or do they use slightly different binary formats?
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00.38.06 #       <Bagder> if you build for linux you want a different one
00.38.11 #       <]RowaN[> am i going mad or is there no longer a h120 build on the bleeding edge page?
00.38.27 #       <]RowaN[> ah now its there
00.38.31 #       * ]RowaN[ scratches his head
00.38.34 #       <Bagder> you're mad
00.38.39 #       <sharpe> the first one.
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00.40.03 #       <Kalthare> Mikachu: They all use different binary formats. Also, I used automated installers for all of them that pulled the devkits too.
00.40.47 #       <Kalthare> Actually, I tell a lie. I think they mostly use ELF, but PSP and GP32 have them wrapped in custom formats.
00.41.00 #       <sharpe> lies aren't good.
00.41.00 #       <Mikachu> my gba one is called arm-thumb-elf, not arm-elf
00.41.05 #       <Mikachu> and i think i have one arm-agb-elf too
00.43.29 #       <Kalthare> arm-thumb.. I think the GP32 used that too. Been a while since I used that one, and I don't even remember where it is now.
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00.45.15 #       <Kalthare> Hm, apparently PSP doesn't use ARM. Like I said -- not enough sleep.
00.45.56 #       <BHSPitMonkey> PSP is MIPS
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00.47.10 #       <Mikachu> does the ipod also support thumb code?
00.47.18 #       <linuxstb> Yep.
00.47.18 #       <Kalthare> Anyway, I gotta get going before I start spreading more misinformation. Seeyas.
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00.47.34 #       <Mikachu> maybe not as much reason to use it on ipod as on gba
00.48.26 #       <sharpe> a cooler sounding closing line would be, "Anyway, I've got to go get information before i spread more misinformation."
00.48.38 #       <Mikachu> no, not really
00.48.50 #       <linuxstb> I don't think Apple uses it, but other PortalPlayer firmware seems to - e.g. the Sansa firmware has some thumb code, at least in the bootloader.
00.48.57 #       <sharpe> not for what he was talking about, but it sounds cooler.
00.49.09 #       <Bagder> and so does the h10
00.49.23 #       <linuxstb> Bagder: Just in the bootloader, or is it in the main firmware as well?
00.49.43 #       <Bagder> I don't know, I only read Barry's description about the bootloader
00.51.07 #       <linuxstb> OK.  I think I looked at the H10 bootloader as well, and saw a very early switch to thumb mode, the same as the Sansa.
00.51.21 #       <linuxstb> s/I think//
00.51.47 #       <Bagder> yeah, I suspect large parts of the bootloader is from PP and thus similar between players
00.52.19 #       <Bagder> saw my latest finding about where the mi4 file is on the Sansa? when I "upgrade" to a new mi4, it gets moved
00.52.32 #       <Bagder> and is to be found on the second partition of the device
00.52.39 #       <Bagder> with a little fluff around
00.52.56 #       <linuxstb> Yes, I read that...  At least it confirms it's not flashed.
00.53.11 #       <Bagder> well, not flashed in that sense anyway
00.53.30 #       <linuxstb> No...  A bit similar to the ipods.
00.53.43 #       <Bagder> yes
00.54.19 #       <linuxstb> Have you had chance to experiement with the LCD framebuffer?
00.54.28 #       <Bagder> no
00.55.03 #       <Bagder> the bootloader doesn't even yet build properly, but when it does it should be swiftly done
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01.16.28 #       <shammy> Hi, I just downloaded the ipod_fc source, tried compiling and instantly got a few hundred errors... any idea what I should do?
01.17.02 #       <desrt> shammy; i'm guessing you should read directions more carefully
01.17.25 #       <desrt> shammy; if you scroll up through the errors you will likely see something about a missing .h file.  you're likely missing a dependency
01.17.49 #       <desrt> shammy; but i know nothing about rockbox.  just assuming using knowledge from unrelated projects
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01.18.08 #       <shammy> desrt, perhaps i'm using an outdated wiki then?
01.18.15 #       <linuxstb> There are no dependencies - apart from the standard C library.
01.18.18 #       <shammy> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
01.18.51 #       <linuxstb> You're probably just missing the base development package.  Which Linux distro are you using?
01.18.51 #       <desrt> shammy; what's the first error message thrown?
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01.19.03 #       <desrt> you may need to install a -dev version of your libc
01.19.50 #       <Mikachu> the makefile only runs gcc -g ipod_fw.c -o ipod_fw
01.20.32 #       <shammy> desrt, amongst the errors i did find a block of missing .h files
01.21.09 #       <shammy> linuxstb, ubuntu
01.21.10 #       <Mikachu> it only includes stdio, stdlib, string, errno and unistd
01.21.11 #       <desrt> shammy; right.  that's your real problem.
01.21.24 #       <Mikachu> if you have gcc, you should have those...
01.21.39 #       <desrt> Mikachu; gcc usually ships in a different package from the libc-dev packages
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01.22.13 #       <shammy> Mikachu, i have gcc 4
01.22.51 #       <linuxstb> I've forgotten the name of the generic development package you can install, but try apt-get install libc6-dev
01.23.56 #       <shammy> it's installing, thank you
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01.25.30 #       <shammy> compiled without error, thanks very much everyone
01.25.39 #       <desrt> shammy; you may want to install build-essential
01.25.51 #       <linuxstb> Ah, that's the name I was trying to remember...
01.26.05 #       <desrt> shammy; it pulls in the compiler, libc dev files, make, etc... stuff you'll need to compile just about anything
01.26.14 #       <shammy> alright I will do so, thanks again
01.26.17 #       <desrt> peace.
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01.49.35 #       <sharpe> woohoo.
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02.18.50 #       <scorche> Bagder: nice handwriting =)
02.22.58 #       * BloodySorcerer twiddles his thumb(s)
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02.23.07 #       <Mikachu> how do you twiddle one thumb?
02.23.29 #       <tournedo> hi everybody !!!
02.23.36 #       <BloodySorcerer> ...i have no idea.
02.23.37 #       <BloodySorcerer> but i am :D
02.23.53 #       <tournedo> have a question about rockbox in ipod nano
02.23.59 #       <tournedo> can play wma
02.24.03 #       <BloodySorcerer> actually it is possible to twiddle one thumb
02.24.17 #       <tournedo> i play ogg
02.24.33 #       <tournedo> but the wma shows like music but cant play
02.24.46 #       <linuxstb> tournedo: No, Rockbox doesn't support wma yet.
02.25.02 #       <tournedo> :(
02.25.05 #       <tournedo> thx man
02.25.27 #       <tournedo> i read something in the codecs section of the forum
02.25.36 #       <BloodySorcerer> linuxstb, you're a saint. my answer woulda been "RTFFAQ!"
02.25.40 #       <tournedo> but thing maybe someone have codec
02.25.47 #       <tournedo> :)
02.25.52 #       <tournedo> hehe
02.25.57 #       <tournedo> oks bloody
02.26.04 #       <BloodySorcerer> :D
02.26.12 #       <BloodySorcerer> hence why i chose not to respond
02.26.18 #       <BloodySorcerer> because i'm just a rude asshat :)
02.26.21 #       <tournedo> ;)
02.26.37 #       <tournedo> i understand
02.26.39 #       <Mikachu> i was going to answer but i was drinking tea
02.26.48 #       <tournedo> ;)
02.26.52 #       <linuxstb> See. we're a friendly bunch...
02.27.05 #       <tournedo> but in some time maybe can play wma?
02.27.07 #       <tournedo> or never
02.27.16 #       <tournedo> maybe new versions?
02.27.29 #       <tournedo> not have too many music in wma
02.27.33 #       <BloodySorcerer> linuxstb, you refer to yourself in the plural? :)
02.28.01 #       <linuxstb> tournedo: Yes, maybe in the future - someone has started work on it.
02.28.14 #       <tournedo> oks
02.28.25 #       <tournedo> so wait and update :)
02.28.49 #       <tournedo> i use ipodlinux but music and mpd dont work fine for me
02.28.59 #       <tournedo> rockbox like a lot
02.29.07 #       <tournedo> sounds great
02.29.11 #       <tournedo> and simple
02.29.13 #       <tournedo> is nice
02.29.24 #       <tournedo> well thx for the answer
02.29.35 #       <tournedo> and sorry my bad english im spanish
02.29.42 #       <BloodySorcerer> you're english is quite good
02.29.47 #       <BloodySorcerer> much better than my spanish at least :D
02.29.54 #       <tournedo> :)
02.30.04 #       <linuxstb> You mean "Your English is quite good."
02.30.14 #       <BloodySorcerer> (spanish incapability is compounded by absence of accents)
02.30.15 #       <BloodySorcerer> wow
02.30.19 #       <BloodySorcerer> linuxstb, good catch O_o
02.30.27 #       <BloodySorcerer> i normally don't make mistakes like that
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02.48.44 #       <falconfox> for some reason, i can't get my ipod color to use the ID3 database. i have "show files" = "ID3 Database" then in "tag cache" i first clicked "initialize now" then i clicked "update now"
02.48.49 #       <falconfox> and it doesn't seem to be doing anything
02.49.38 #       <linuxstb> Have you shut down your ipod, and then restarted it?
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02.51.33 #       <falconfox> yeah i just did that
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02.52.13 #       <falconfox> i know i have followed the manual exactly, i just can't figure this out
02.52.53 #       <falconfox> when i click "update now" shouldn't the hdd begin to spin?
02.56.40 #       <falconfox> it doens't matter if the ipod is plugged in or not, right?
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03.01.28 #       <BigMac> hello poppets
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03.06.20 #       <sharpe> that reminds me of someone i know.
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03.11.42 #       <infamis> anyone....I want to help debugging playback-related code, but where do I start (source-wise?)
03.12.32 #       <BigMac> sharpe: JACK SPARROW OF PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN:-)
03.12.40 #       <infamis> playback.c & pcmbuf.c? but where?
03.12.46 #       <sharpe> yeah, but a person i know who says it...
03.13.14 #       <BigMac> HMM...MR T?
03.14.23 #       <Febs> infamis, probably the best person to ask is Slasheri.
03.14.45 #       <Febs> Or lostlogic, though he hasn't been around much recently.
03.16.03 #       <BigMac> Febs:are you a dev or just a forum mod?
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03.16.36 #       <Febs> I consider myself a contributor.
03.17.02 #       <BigMac> for what models?
03.17.20 #       <sharpe> nope. not mr. t.
03.17.22 #       <Febs> I do not have the technical skills to be a developer, but the project is of great interest to me, so I have contributed my time writing documentation.
03.17.56 #       <BigMac> coool cool
03.18.07 #       <BigMac> im trying to learn c so i can do my part
03.18.42 #       <infamis> I just wanna jump into debugging but playback.c is so huuuuugeeeeeeeee!
03.18.56 #       <infamis> and it's like, damn, where do I start??!!
03.20.23 #       <infamis> ot: anybody run gentoo? gentoo > ubuntu?
03.20.41 #       <Febs> I'm not sure what time zone you're in, but many of the key developers are in Europe, so they're not usually around at this time of night.
03.21.00 #       <infamis> yeah, I'm chicago...it's usually busy around here at 4am (for me)
03.21.07 #       <Galois> are you looking for a distro flamewar or what?
03.21.10 #       <BigMac> infamis: im guessing linuxstb does
03.21.41 #       <infamis> Galois, basically...just trying to decide getting back into linux after not dealing with it since '01
03.21.55 #       <infamis> feel lot's changed
03.22.04 #       <Galois>  in some ways it's a lot better and in some ways it has regressed
03.22.17 #       <webguest59> regressed how?
03.22.32 #       <infamis> dumb-downed?? ;)
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03.22.45 #       <Galois> I would say the technology has improved dramatically but the political situation is worse than before (and I don't mean internal politics here, I mean corporate politics)
03.22.52 #       <infamis> *dumbed-down
03.22.59 #       <infamis> lol
03.23.39 #       <Galois> dumbed down is not quite the right word for it. Some of this new stuff is so dumbed down that I can't even figure it out
03.24.13 #       <Galois> for example, any vaguely modern distribution will autodetect hardware on the fly for you now
03.24.40 #       <infamis> that's bad?
03.24.41 #       <infamis> ;)
03.24.45 #       <Galois> most of the time it works great, but if you want to change anything in the autodetection, perhaps because it doesn't work or because you don't want it doing that, it's hard to change
03.25.20 #       <Galois> the complexity of the underlying technology has grown even as the user visible part is supposed to be easier
03.25.58 #       <infamis> yeah I remember when  x11 took all day to build/install/set-up
03.26.19 #       <Galois> the other day I popped in my external usb drive and the automounter conveniently mounted for me /media/disk /media/disk-1 /media/disk-2 /media/disk-3 etc. for each partition on the drive
03.26.41 #       <infamis> lol, damn those devs doing shit for you ;)
03.26.43 #       <Galois> and, to be honest, I don't know how to turn that off even if I wanted to (though, I haven't tried very hard)
03.27.30 #       <BigMac> so is linux easy to get used to?
03.27.40 #       <BigMac> like going from windows to linux?
03.27.48 #       <Galois> I'm the wrong person to ask, I've had 11 years to get used to it
03.27.48 #       <infamis> yeah I just feel getting back into linux will get me back into 'development mode'...messing with windows all these years has made me very lazy....
03.28.47 #       <Galois> the legal situation is worse though. 10 years ago there was not really any such thing as illegal software categories
03.28.48 #       <BigMac> because im building a computer and i feel that linux would be the way to go because it is free
03.29.12 #       <Galois> now there are certain types of software that are illegal to make free, like dvd players
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03.29.33 #       <infamis> yea I agree Galois
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03.29.58 #       <infamis> BigMac, be prepared to get frustrated like all hell when stuff doesn't work, even after you've tried hours to fix/install
03.30.03 #       <Galois> it's quite possible to build a computer for linux. You have to pay attention to make sure you buy hardware that has good drivers.
03.30.34 #       <BigMac> then not for me
03.30.48 #       <infamis> ...but it's a good experience though, that is if you're willing to learn
03.31.24 #       <BigMac> ill prolly hold out for the new windows and mac os' and see which better suit me
03.31.32 #       <infamis> I don't know how old you are, but when looking for a job, employers find it attractive regarding your diversity with OSs & programming languages
03.31.57 #       <infamis> ...or even if you are 'in the field'
03.32.26 #       <infamis> I mean; that is, if you're "in the field"
03.32.30 #       <BigMac> yah im not old enough for the job yet...but i want to be a robotic engineer
03.32.36 #       <BigMac> or some kind of programmer
03.33.09 #       <BigMac> so once i get enough cash ill buy a ibook and vista  desktop
03.33.10 #       <Galois> programmers basically live or die on free software
03.33.17 #       <BigMac> and eventually build a linux pc
03.33.30 #       <infamis> or you could go dual-boot
03.33.43 #       <Galois> because free software is written by programmers without customer pressure, so the authors tend to write the program to suit their own biases
03.33.53 #       <Galois> which, of course, are programmers biases
03.33.58 #       <BigMac> yah i really want bootcamp for my mac
03.34.37 #       <infamis> yeah, I tend to do things better (e.g., not the 'quick' or 'hacked' way of writing code) when it's not job-related
03.34.57 #       <Galois> it might even be fair to say that you should be concerned if you want to be a programmer and you find out that you hate free software
03.35.22 #       <Galois> I mean, even if it is frustrating, most of the time, a programmer type can figure it out
03.36.01 #       <infamis> programming is all about compromise in my eyes...nothing ever works the way you want it to
03.36.20 #       <infamis> or in other words, "there's always something"
03.37.07 #       <infamis> just testing color on the web client....
03.37.12 #       <BigMac> yah except for simple flac conversionXD
03.37.21 #       <BigMac> i cant find anything easy and good
03.37.35 #       <BigMac> cant get eac to work
03.37.58 #       <Galois> uh: find -iname \*.flac -exec ogg123 {} \;
03.38.07 #       <Galois> by ogg123 I meant oggenc
03.38.31 #       <BigMac> for windows, and is this in the cmd
03.38.35 #       <infamis> eac's worked for me, some drives it slows them down (a hard speed cap, not just because it's in secure mode, but a HARD cap)
03.38.51 #       <Galois> I'm confused, do you have a CD and want flac, or do you have flac and want something else?
03.39.02 #       <BigMac> cd ripped to flac
03.39.12 #       <BigMac> riptastic is awesome
03.39.21 #       <BigMac> but not free
03.39.22 #       <infamis> foobar with oggenc2.exe somewhere is what I do for transcodes
03.39.29 #       <Galois> what the hell is wrong with CDex?
03.39.36 #       <BigMac> CDex?
03.39.43 #       <Galois> it's windows software, it's free, it does flac
03.39.46 #       <infamis> Galois...it's just not EAC ;)
03.40.28 #       <BigMac> ill try CDex
03.40.31 #       <BigMac> is it easy?
03.40.42 #       <BigMac> and does it tag its songs buy itself?
03.40.58 #       <Galois> it used to use freedb for tags
03.40.59 #       <Febs> I think that CDex's stock has risen now that a new version is out.  It had been so long since it had been updated that its encoders had really fallen out of date.
03.43.40 #       <BigMac> wow i really like this object dock program
03.43.49 #       <BigMac> i wish their was a shortcut to show it
03.48.42 #       <BigMac> anyone know of a good online c tutorial. one youve used and reccomend
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03.57.27 #       <BigMac> heya jd
03.57.35 #       <BigMac> watch this nights house
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03.58.38 #       <JdGordon> BigMac: you mean last nights?
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04.00.10 #       <BigMac> possibly
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04.00.16 #       <BigMac> you live in au i forgot
04.00.41 #       <BigMac> the one with the bubble girl?
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04.03.47 #       <JdGordon> i dont know, i taped it, ill watch it tonight
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04.04.06 #       <ehour> the jay leno tonigth show!
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04.07.12 #       <infamis> anybody use an ide with the rb source?
04.07.39 #       <sharpe> yes!
04.07.48 #       <sharpe> most people do use an ide.
04.07.53 #       <BigMac> JdGordon: very good episode
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04.08.24 #       <BigMac> sharpe: accept me because i have no idea what it is of course:-)
04.08.32 #       <sharpe> an ide?
04.09.10 #       <BigMac> ide= indestructible deficating emu? otherwise i have no idea
04.09.24 #       <sharpe> integrated development environment
04.09.25 #       <scorche> then look it up..
04.09.38 #       * scorche coughs
04.09.46 #       <BigMac> scorche: i was just saying i don't use it
04.09.58 #       <BigMac> sharpe: like cygwin and vmware
04.10.03 #       <scorche> and that you dont know what it is =)
04.10.17 #       <sharpe> those are development environments
04.10.30 #       <BigMac> ok
04.10.40 #       <BigMac> domo arrigato
04.10.55 #       <BigMac> guys im picking up that book you told me to get tomorrow
04.11.15 #       <sharpe> the c programming one?
04.11.22 #       <BigMac> yessuh:-)
04.11.49 #       <sharpe> okay, good, because i have no recollection of reccomending any books.
04.11.57 #       <BigMac> then ill be on my way to accomplishing something
04.12.04 #       <BigMac> lol
04.12.17 #       <BigMac> yah the oreilly handbook you reccomended
04.12.38 #       <BigMac> and i may pick up ther perl one as well because that is something else i wanted to get around to learning
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04.13.13 #       <sharpe> all i remember is talking about my c# handbook...
04.13.36 #       <scorche> i think he is referring to the o'reilly quickguide or whatever
04.13.41 #       <BigMac> the pocket reference?
04.13.46 #       <sharpe> yep.
04.14.25 #       <sharpe> i bought the thing last year, haven't had a need for it yet.
04.14.36 #       <BigMac> really?
04.14.45 #       <BigMac> i heard it was very rich with info?
04.15.08 #       <sharpe> it is, i just haven't done any c# related things lately.
04.15.24 #       <scorche> BigMac: keep in mind that it is a quick guide of sorts...it will not teach you how to program...it has a ton of info, but for whatever you dont understand, you can go online
04.15.34 #       <sharpe> indeed.
04.15.53 #       <BigMac> yh thats what ive heard. so im looking for a good free c tutorial
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04.15.58 #       <BigMac> yah
04.16.06 #       <sharpe> good ole google...
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04.16.22 #       <BigMac> i know i searched google
04.16.28 #       <BloodySorcerer> google ftw
04.16.44 #       <BigMac> i wanted to ask around to seee if there were any you particularly reccomended
04.17.01 #       <sharpe> ah...
04.17.05 #       <sharpe> cprogramming.com?
04.17.17 #       <BigMac> is it good?
04.17.25 #       <sharpe> that's the only one i recall.
04.18.23 #       <BloodySorcerer> what, ways to learn C?
04.18.35 #       <BloodySorcerer> look at source code
04.18.40 #       <BloodySorcerer> then google everything you don't know
04.19.12 #       <BigMac> well bllody, that would be meaning id be googling every line
04.19.18 #       <BigMac> i know zero c
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04.19.26 #       <BigMac> the only language i know is asm
04.19.31 #       <BloodySorcerer> do you know *any* languages?
04.19.34 #       <BloodySorcerer> oh
04.19.36 #       <BloodySorcerer> damn O_O
04.19.46 #       <BloodySorcerer> thats hardcore.
04.20.14 #       <BigMac> i am trying to learn languages
04.20.17 #       <BigMac> im still a kid man
04.20.40 #       * scorche coughs
04.20.45 #       <BloodySorcerer> define "kid"
04.20.53 #       <BloodySorcerer> scorche, want a cough drop?
04.20.54 #       * sharpe stays quiet.
04.21.02 #       <BigMac> under 18
04.21.06 #       <BloodySorcerer> ok
04.21.11 #       <BloodySorcerer> then i'm a kid too
04.21.16 #       <BloodySorcerer> what were we discussing?
04.21.39 #       <BigMac> well im trying to take the initiative to learn. that is the first step to self imporvement
04.21.47 #       <BloodySorcerer> indeed
04.22.02 #       <BigMac> i thought you were making fun of me for saying i learned asm
04.22.19 #       <BloodySorcerer> no
04.22.22 #       <BloodySorcerer> i'm impressed
04.22.34 #       <BloodySorcerer> asm makes me sad
04.22.38 #       <BigMac> seriously?
04.22.45 #       <BloodySorcerer> yes
04.22.58 #       <BloodySorcerer> its so ludicrously difficult compared to any other language i've learned/used
04.23.19 #       <BloodySorcerer> cprogramming.com looks like a good place to start
04.23.20 #       <BigMac> oh well i don't know if its any different then regular, buts its assembly for the ti calculators
04.23.36 #       <BloodySorcerer> ooh fun stuff :)
04.23.38 #       <BigMac> yah i like that there is quizzes as well
04.24.03 #       <BloodySorcerer> well imma go eat and watch TV and do other fat arse related activities
04.24.09 #       <BloodySorcerer> so have fun learning C! :)
04.24.13 #       <BHSPitMonkey> how old are ya, BigMac ?
04.24.31 #       <BloodySorcerer> (once you know C, C++, java, or php (to some extent) its a breeze to learn any other, fyi)
04.24.42 #       <BloodySorcerer> nerrways
04.24.44 #       <BloodySorcerer> bbl
04.24.56 #       <BigMac> 16
04.25.12 #       <BigMac> yah im learning c and perl this summer
04.25.15 #       <BigMac> thats my goal
04.25.34 #       <niskel> The kerrnigan & ritchie book is good
04.25.50 #       <BigMac> but i want to learn c++(which is supposedly close to c) and java and php during the year
04.26.00 #       <BigMac> so then i know most of the core languages
04.26.06 #       <BHSPitMonkey> hey, I'm 16 too
04.26.07 #       <scorche> not java >_>
04.26.12 #       <BHSPitMonkey> for 2.5 more hours!
04.26.40 #       <BigMac> BHSPitMonkey: happy birthday in 2 hours!
04.26.45 #       <BigMac> +.5
04.26.52 #       <BigMac> scorche: why not?
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04.27.26 #       <BHSPitMonkey> thanks
04.28.10 #       <sharpe> BigMac: he's have a very troubled past with java.
04.28.24 #       <sharpe> had. and he doesn't like to speak about it...
04.28.36 #       <BigMac> scorche:show me on the doll were java touched you:-)
04.29.25 #       <BHSPitMonkey> s/were/where/
04.30.16 #       <BigMac> there is only one WHERE and WHERE does the s go
04.31.29 #       <sharpe> the where replaces the were.
04.31.36 #       <BigMac> k
04.31.39 #       <BigMac> and the s?
04.31.43 #       <niskel> switch
04.31.54 #       <BigMac> ah.
04.32.00 #       <BigMac> your like my spell check.
04.32.05 #       <BigMac> I like it:-)
04.32.23 #       <BigMac> munkey wolked to teh stor
04.33.02 #       <scorche> s/I am an idiot./munkey wolked to teh stor
04.33.04 #       <scorche> =D
04.33.31 #       <BigMac> scorche:do you want me to get java up in here
04.33.52 #       <sharpe> scorche just doesn't like coffee.
04.34.44 #       <BigMac> so i don't lik searing my flesh on a flame, but that doesn't mean i don't like scorche
04.34.55 #       <BigMac> like
04.36.29 #       <javkrei> hi
04.36.37 #       <BigMac> any of yall play yahoo pool
04.40.51 #       <sharpe> i would like to take this moment and note the dead silence, that i usually instill by saying something and would like everyone to know it wasn't me this time.
04.40.53 #       <BHSPitMonkey> 'course we do
04.40.56 #       <BHSPitMonkey> it's the sport of champions
04.41.01 #       <sharpe> ...
04.42.04 #       <BigMac> BHSPitMonkey: you do?
04.42.12 #       <BHSPitMonkey> yeth
04.42.21 #       <BHSPitMonkey> haven't tried it in linux I don't think
04.42.40 #       <BigMac> oh ok
04.42.44 #       <javkrei> hi... somebody could explain why midi reproduction doesn't work in the rockbox simulator?
04.43.17 #       <BHSPitMonkey> I'm not sure that it even works in native rockbox.
04.43.44 #       <javkrei> there is a plugin for it
04.43.47 #       <javkrei> midiplay
04.43.57 #       <sharpe> does it work?
04.44.01 #       <javkrei> but for some reason if it's a simulator build
04.44.10 #       <javkrei> it doesn't work
04.44.23 #       <javkrei> since I don't own yet a player with rockbox
04.44.29 #       <sharpe> ah.
04.44.45 #       <javkrei> (although I have bought one, I'm waiting for it)
04.45.13 #       <sharpe> which?
04.45.18 #       <javkrei> I was wondering if it works in the players themselves
04.45.32 #       <javkrei> I bought an iriver H120
04.46.19 #       <javkrei> has anyone tride?
04.46.21 #       <javkrei> tried?
04.46.41 #       <BHSPitMonkey> I know there's a plugin, I'm just not confident that it works
04.48.05 #       <javkrei> mhhh, for what I've been reading, it worked... in the past at the least
04.48.26 #       <javkrei> but for some reason it doesn't reproduce in the simulator
04.49.24 #       <javkrei> #ifndef SIMULATOR
04.49.40 #       <javkrei>  rb->pcm_play_stop();
04.49.58 #       <javkrei> and so omn
04.50.08 #       <javkrei> so... it's disabled for the simulator
04.50.34 #       <javkrei> but not for the players... I'm programming a few plugins
04.51.08 #       <javkrei> and I'd like to make use of the midi library
04.51.47 #       <javkrei> and it would be very handy if midi reproduction worked in the simulator
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05.00.06 #       <falconfox> why won't my ipod ID3 database work? i have "id3 database" enabled and i have forced update about 30 minutes ago, but still nothing when i select "artist"
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05.01.49 #       <falconfox> does my music on my ipod have to be in a specific location?
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05.05.56 #       <michaelconner> hi... i noticed that rolo is supposedly working for ipods now
05.06.16 #       <falconfox> does music have to be inside a specific folder/
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05.06.42 #       <michaelconner> how would i get an apple.ipod firmware file to boot into via rolo?
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05.22.08 #       <safetydan> javkrei: you may need to get the midi patch files for the midi playback to work in the sim
05.22.22 #       <safetydan> though if it's #ifdef'd out then you're stuck
05.23.01 #       <javkrei> I've downloaded the patch...
05.23.09 #       <javkrei> it's the #ifdefs...
05.23.38 #       <javkrei> I'm building it now... with the ifdefs removed... I'll see how that goes
05.23.45 #       <javkrei> I doubt it'll work
05.24.52 #       <safetydan> The #ifdef's that I can see probably shouldn't be there as I can't think of a reason they won't work in the sim
05.24.59 #       <safetydan> I could be wrong though as I don't have the source in front of me
05.25.15 #       <falconfox> javkrei: when i transfer music to my ipod, does it have to go to a specific location/
05.25.15 #       <javkrei> mhh, that's what I thought
05.25.16 #       <safetydan> (well, not all of it anyway)
05.25.24 #       <javkrei> I'll tell you in a few minutes
05.25.44 #       <falconfox> javkrei: what is the point of waiting
05.25.44 #       <safetydan> falconfox, put it wherever you want. Rockbox doesn't care
05.26.02 #       <falconfox> safetydan: the reason i ask is that my ID3 database is not working correctly
05.26.12 #       <falconfox> and i am using yesterday's rockbox build
05.26.17 #       <javkrei> falconfox: sorry, I was talking to safetydan
05.26.23 #       <falconfox> javkrei: oh
05.26.37 #       <safetydan> falconfox, sorry, tagcache isn't something I use so I'm probably not going to be much help
05.27.01 #       <javkrei> falconfox: I can't be of help either, sorry... I don't have a player...
05.27.08 #       <safetydan> falconfox, try the forums
05.27.14 #       <javkrei> I'm waiting for it to arrive
05.27.34 #       <safetydan> or at least say in what way that the id3 database doesn't work
05.27.56 #       <falconfox> safetydan: what do you use instead?
05.28.18 #       <safetydan> the file view
05.28.33 #       <falconfox> safetydan: well i select "ID3 database" for "show files" . then i force tag cache update
05.28.53 #       <falconfox> then the hdd spins for about 30 seconds , and then nothing, even if i restart
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05.29.29 #       <safetydan> falconfox, have you read through this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache
05.30.11 #       <falconfox> if that is similiar to the PDF manual, then yes
05.30.19 #       <falconfox> i have followed the directions word for word
05.31.02 #       <falconfox> alright ... i just hit "initialize now" then it said "updating in background"
05.31.16 #       <falconfox> then in the upper right it had a hdd icon which lasted for about 15 seconds.
05.31.58 #       <falconfox> then i clicked "update now" and it said "data abort at 00037E0"
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05.33.03 #       <safetydan> falconfox, if it's crashing you'll probably have to talk to Slasheri as he's the tagcache guy
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05.33.43 #       <falconfox> oh ok, well that crash was the first i got, usually it just doesn't work
05.34.10 #       <placebo_lu> Hi
05.34.13 #       <javkrei> I've just tried to build rockbox without the #ifndefs...
05.34.29 #       <javkrei> and... well, as expected it doesn't work
05.34.47 #       <falconfox> ok, well now all i am getting is that error
05.35.02 #       <falconfox> how do i do a fresh install of rockbox, i mean getting rid of all the stored settings
05.35.18 #       <javkrei> it seems that the simulator doesn't have the functions pcm_play_stop(..)
05.35.25 #       <safetydan> falconfox, what player?
05.35.34 #       <falconfox> ipod color
05.35.45 #       <javkrei> pcm_set_frequency and pcm_play_data
05.35.53 #       <placebo_lu> could anyone help me out? I've just put rockbox on my new iRiver H340 and it won't play my .ogg files. here is a link to what the wps screen says when I try: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=481024#post481024
05.35.54 #       <javkrei> I wonder why is that
05.36.03 #       <Mikachu> falconfox: turn the hold switch on as you start rockbox, it will clear the config
05.36.27 #       <falconfox> Mikachu: alright ill try it
05.37.24 #       <safetydan> placebo_lu, what program are you using to rip the oggs?
05.37.31 #       <placebo_lu> EAC
05.37.48 #       <placebo_lu> they are 160kb .oggs
05.37.54 #       <safetydan> How old is the ogg encoder?
05.38.16 #       <safetydan> Rockbox used to have problems with oggs encoded with the pre-1.0 encoder (though that might have been fixed at some point).
05.38.26 #       <javkrei> nevertheless there is mp3 playback...
05.38.59 #       <placebo_lu> i downloaded EAC about 2 days ago
05.39.08 #       <safetydan> javkrei, I think those functions are too low level to be of use in the sim which is why they're not simulated. You could raise a flyspray issue and someone might try and fix it
05.39.09 #       <placebo_lu> so i'm pretty sure its the latest version
05.39.43 #       <safetydan> placebo_lu, if you have the ogginfo tool, try running that over one of the oggs
05.40.30 #       <placebo_lu> i don't, i'll get it now and try it out
05.41.32 #       <placebo_lu> can you give me a link?
05.42.03 #       <safetydan> placebo_lu, I only know where it is for Linux
05.42.12 #       <safetydan> You didn't add ID3 tags to the ogg files by chance?
05.42.32 #       <falconfox> safetydan: how come you love safety so much
05.43.01 #       <placebo_lu> I thought I did - EAC does it autmotically, doesn't it?
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05.43.20 #       <javkrei> mmh, I've now seen that they are implemented
05.43.30 #       <safetydan> placebo_lu, oggs can't work with ID3 tags, it basically makes them corrupt
05.43.32 #       <javkrei> in /uisimulator/sound.c
05.43.42 #       <safetydan> falconfox, it's just a name
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05.44.00 #       <falconfox> safetydan: well you picked it for some reason, i am just wondering
05.44.12 #       <javkrei> but there is another #ifdef which apparently avoids them being built
05.44.46 #       <safetydan> placebo_lu, try finding a tool to strip the ID3 tags off the files and make sure you don't encode any more oggs with ID3 tags enabled
05.44.52 #       <javkrei> I've commented that too...
05.44.53 #       <placebo_lu> ok
05.45.11 #       <placebo_lu> any recomendations for the tool?
05.45.14 #       <safetydan> falconfox, I was working on flight safety stuff at the time I came up with the nick
05.45.23 #       <javkrei> it still doesn't work...
05.45.29 #       <BloodySorcerer> meep, bigass lightning.
05.45.32 #       <BloodySorcerer> i should probably go now.
05.45.37 #       <safetydan> placebo_lu, ask around on misticriver, I don't use Windows so I can't really offer any tools
05.45.45 #       <placebo_lu> is there another form of tagging I should use?
05.45.51 #       <placebo_lu> cool, will check back at mr
05.45.52 #       <Mikachu> how do you put id3 tags on an ogg file? i thought they were saved in extra mpeg frames
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05.46.11 #       <placebo_lu> its odd, because they work when i use the iriver firmware :/
05.46.30 #       <safetydan> placebo_lu, oggs have their on tag format called vorbis comments
05.46.38 #       <placebo_lu> ok
05.46.39 #       <BloodySorcerer> aka metadata
05.46.54 #       <safetydan> Mikacu, some software just slaps the ID3 block on the front or end of the file regardless of whether its actually an mpeg stream
05.47.11 #       <placebo_lu> ok, thanks for all your help guys :)
05.47.22 #       <placebo_lu> esp. safetydan!
05.47.34 #       <Mikachu> safetydan: heh, okay
05.47.35 #       <BloodySorcerer> theres a nifty tool for windoze called "multi id3 tag editor"
05.47.38 #       <BloodySorcerer> it'll probably help you
05.47.46 #       <BloodySorcerer> does batch processing
05.49.36 #       <javkrei> well... if someone knows how to enable midi playback in the simulator, or can guide me how to go about it, please help me
05.50.12 #       <safetydan> javkrei, it sounds like it'll need some coding work to fix, so maybe just raise an issue in the bug tracker
06.02.18 #       <javkrei> ok, I'll do that
06.04.21 #       <javkrei> mm, safetydan: I don't have a flyspray account yet
06.04.32 #       <javkrei> could you raise it for me?
06.07.21 #       <javkrei> sorry, I've just registered
06.07.27 #       <javkrei> I'll do it
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06.19.13 #       <javkrei> well... mp3 playback doesn't work either in my build of the sim
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06.31.07 #       <safetydan> javkrei, it should work even if it's a little flakey sometimes
06.36.38 #       <javkrei> mhh, yes, rasher's simulator builds do have mp3 playback
06.36.41 #       <goffa> hmm... got an x5... when i mount it its read only.. checked kern.log.. got this:
06.36.50 #       <goffa> Aug  2 22:35:30 delubuntu kernel: [17352716.428000]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0)
06.37.00 #       <goffa> ran fsck.vfat
06.37.10 #       <goffa> it seems to leave stuff untouched
06.37.17 #       <Mikachu> you have to say -a or -r
06.37.29 #       <Mikachu> the default is to only check
06.37.36 #       <goffa> what's the dif?
06.37.46 #       <Mikachu> -r asks, -a fixes everything
06.37.50 #       <goffa> oh ok
06.37.52 #       <goffa> thanks
06.37.54 #       <Mikachu> where fix means tries to fix
06.39.02 #       <goffa> sweet
06.39.04 #       <goffa> worked
06.39.34 #       <goffa> had me worried.. just got my h140 back from the factory today... thought my x5 was crappin out on me
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06.51.29 #       <goffa> stupid question.. but do i need to run the h140 fwpatcher in wine? or is there a linux ver out there?
06.52.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There are linux instructions at the IriverBoot page.
06.52.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But they're not as simple as just running fwpatcher.exe in wine.
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07.02.49 #       <goffa> think i got it
07.02.53 #       <goffa> just have to copy the new hex
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07.03.19 #       <goffa> waiting for these oggs to finish encoding so i can copy them to my x5.. then it'll be full..
07.03.27 #       <goffa> then i can start filling the 140
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07.29.51 #       <Bg3r> morning ;)
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08.37.16 #       <Slasheri> hmm, it seems fat_seek is unoptimized for performance
08.37.46 #       <Slasheri> creating a cluster history table holding a few last accessed clusters, would make small seeks fast
08.39.19 #       <amiconn> As someone put it recently: do not overengineer the world
08.39.48 #       <Slasheri> true, but with very simple change that could boost tagcache performance
08.39.57 #       <Slasheri> at least i will try if it has any real effect
08.40.24 #       <amiconn> Yeah, and it will increase code size, and ram usage, and complexity
08.40.41 #       <amiconn> Above all the fat code has to be reliable
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08.41.31 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: sure, but that was meant to be very simple change only in fat_seek()
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08.47.26 #       <JdGordon> how big is a cluster?
08.47.56 #       <amiconn> Depends on the disk size
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08.48.45 #       <amiconn> FAT/FAT32 allows clusters from 1 to 64 (and inofficially, 128) sectors in powers of 2
08.48.48 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: ah, in fact never mind, there was already a check for "clusternum >= file->clusternum" that i didn't notice
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08.48.58 #       <Slasheri> so not much to do there then
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08.54.15 #       <amiconn> dionoea: around?
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09.13.07 #       * petur hugs his rockbox shirt
09.13.31 #       * scorche hugs his own
09.13.42 #       <petur> the combination with an orange safety vest makes people think I'm police (when riding my bike)
09.13.50 #       <scorche> lol
09.13.53 #       <Bagder> haha
09.13.59 #       <scorche> i havent worn mine yet =O
09.14.09 #       <scorche> Bagder: yeah...it came =D
09.14.38 #       <midkay> liar.
09.14.45 #       <scorche> and, if you didnt read the logs, i commented on your nice handwriting
09.14.49 #       <Bagder> what a timing
09.15.00 #       <scorche> no kidding
09.15.13 #       <scorche> the tape was a bit difficult though ;)
09.15.28 #       <Bagder> :-)
09.16.07 #       <scorche> <3
09.16.22 #       <scorche> i got a bit scared when i came home and didnt see it on the porch..
09.16.32 #       <scorche> ...then i realized they stuffed it in my mailbox
09.18.27 #       <amiconn> Hmm...
09.18.43 #       <amiconn> Porting the grayscale lib to ipod is more work that I thought
09.19.23 #       <amiconn> It needs a different greyscale framebuffer format for buffered mode too in order to be efficient
09.19.47 #       <amiconn> So most drawing functions need an alternative implementation...
09.22.47 #       <amiconn> Not especially difficult work, just tedious
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10.21.05 #       <scorche> and i am out...
10.21.25 #       <scorche> packing up comp for the ride to vegas, and then home =)
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10.26.03 #       <Bagder> ehum
10.26.17 #       <Bagder> INPUT(crt0.o) is needed for all bootloaders except the ARM ones
10.26.27 #       <Bagder> but my sansa bootloader fails without it...
10.26.53 #       <dan_a> Bagder: why isn't it needed on the ARM ones?
10.27.05 #       <Bagder> I don't understand it
10.27.19 #       <Bagder> because the file is needed and used
10.27.24 #       <markun> Bagder: we need it for the gigabeat too
10.28.15 #       <Bagder> that's some ld magic that I don't get
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10.30.30 #       <Bagder> markun: you build bootloader from the CVS version?
10.31.21 #       <pondlife> Hi Flyspray admin types!
10.31.36 #       <linuxstb> Bagder: It's needed for all apart from ipod.
10.31.43 #       <Bagder> pondlife:  how can we help you good sir?
10.31.53 #       <pondlife> Could someone please close http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5751
10.32.02 #       <markun> Bagder: the code is on in cvs yet, but will be soon
10.32.09 #       <pondlife> Miika already did a commit which covers this
10.32.11 #       <markun> s/on/not/
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10.32.36 #       <linuxstb> Bagder: For some reason, there's a linker error if you use it.  Possibly because ipod.c refers to a data structure in crt0.S (the header from the original Apple firmware that's been put there by ipod_fw.c).
10.32.40 #       <JdGordon> pondlife: done
10.32.43 #       <pondlife> Also http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5662 can be closed
10.33.04 #       <pondlife> I think that's about it for now!  Many thanks JDG
10.33.09 #       <Bagder> pondlife: I've made you a developer in flyspray, you can now "admin" tasks
10.33.14 #       <pondlife> Wooh, thanks
10.33.37 #       <pondlife> I'm away for the next week, so probably won't do much, but that should save me pestering
10.34.01 #       <Bagder> and there are many more weeks to come ;-)
10.34.10 #       <pondlife> Hope so!
10.34.21 #       <pondlife> What, you mean it won't be finished soon???
10.34.33 #       <Bagder> "when is the final Rockbox version coming?"
10.35.18 #       <pondlife> Actually, while I'm here and before I go.  Has anyone had a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5691 ?
10.35.52 #       <pondlife> I can say for sure it fixes a crash.  But it may be a hack,.  hardeep/lostlogic will probably need to confirm..
10.37.33 #       <pondlife> I'm not sure what is meant to provide the final Q_VOICE_STOP, but I suspect something is!
10.38.07 #       <amiconn> Imo voice is too dependent on playback state right now
10.38.15 #       <pondlife> I agree
10.38.22 #       <pondlife> It should be a level above that completely
10.38.51 #       <amiconn> I guess it's necessary to do the mixing. That should also fix things like voice not working during pause
10.38.58 #       <pondlife> voice > playback > pcmbuf
10.38.59 #       <amiconn> s/do/redo/
10.39.25 #       <amiconn> ...and clip preemtion, and latency, and....
10.39.35 #       <pondlife> I understand talk.c and a bit of pcmbuf.c, but playback.c is still mysterious.
10.40.34 #       <pondlife> I can say for sure that pressing stop during voice playback and audio playback (e.g. while filename is still being spelt) will end up in that yield() loop forever
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10.40.49 #       <pondlife> That's about all I know for sure
10.41.56 #       <Bagder> markun: I added crt0.o now for non-ipods
10.42.19 #       <Bagder> I can now build a full PP5024.mi4 file
10.42.24 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Why isn't the mi4 creation logic added to scramble.c ?
10.42.51 #       <Bagder> because we don't have MrH's real name and the code is not GPL'ed
10.42.52 #       <pondlife> My suspicion is that hardeep was trying to catch the situation where no Q_VOICE_STOP was expected (i.e. queue_empty), but the logic is slightly wrong for this.  And my suspicion is probably wrong too.
10.43.10 #       <amiconn> Bagder: oh.
10.43.30 #       <amiconn> bad
10.43.44 #       <Bagder> and the mi4code is quite a lot more advanced than "just" scramble
10.44.11 #       <merbanan> Bagder: did you get the new mi4code version ?
10.44.22 #       <Bagder> yeps, its on the site already
10.44.30 #       * merbanan checks
10.44.53 #       <amiconn> Bagder: So it's not possible to build for sansa just from the source tree?
10.45.37 #       <Bagder> amiconn: nope, you need to build the separate tool as well for now
10.46.25 #       <amiconn> bad...
10.47.14 #       <Bagder> well, its not a major hurdle
10.47.25 #       <Bagder> we required uclpack for years
10.47.34 #       * amiconn wonders what made Bagder deviate from the realname policy
10.47.41 #       <Bagder> ?
10.47.44 #       <Bagder> I don't
10.47.48 #       <Bagder> it isn't in Rockbox
10.47.55 #       <amiconn> hmm
10.48.27 #       <amiconn> There is a difference though. ucl is GPLd
10.48.31 #       <Bagder> yes
10.48.37 #       <Bagder> but we used it as an external tool
10.48.41 #       <Bagder> as we now use mi4code
10.48.54 #       <Bagder> I'm not saying I think this is a great way
10.49.03 #       <Bagder> but these ports are *early*
10.49.05 #       <amiconn> Hmm. Probably not too much of a problem
10.49.07 #       <Bagder> so it doesn't matter much
10.49.24 #       <amiconn> Some other things will also use external tools which are not GPLd
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10.49.44 #       <amiconn> ...like (hopefully soon) voice building will use SAPI5
10.49.47 #       <Bagder> yeps
10.51.23 #       * amiconn wonders what's the license of mi4code
10.51.31 #       <amiconn> The header doesn't state any
10.52.20 #       <merbanan> Bagder: did you try the new option that shouldn't need the TEA encryption step ?
10.52.32 #       <Bagder> no
10.52.48 #       <Bagder> are you sure it works like that?
10.53.15 #       <merbanan> Bagder: it's my idea :), it works in theory
10.53.20 #       <Bagder> haha
10.53.27 #       <jn> ac charging seems to not give much of a charge :|
10.54.19 #       <jn> anything big happen in the ipod-photo daily build in the last week?
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10.54.51 #       <merbanan> Bagder: in theory it would be possible to boot firmwares on hardware for which we don't have the TEA keys
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10.55.55 #       <Bagder> yeah, if they accept those lengths of the plain text value
10.56.27 #       <merbanan> yeah
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11.16.40 #       <Acksaw> hey guys
11.16.58 #       <Acksaw> im in need of some help setting up my EQ for my Sennheiser MX550's
11.17.08 #       <Acksaw> is anyone proficent in this?
11.21.06 #       <safetydan> Acksaw, you might want to check the various forums and see if anyone's done settings for similar headphones
11.21.41 #       <Acksaw> i've looked over MR
11.22.20 #       <safetydan> nothing close?
11.22.24 #       <Acksaw> no
11.22.27 #       <Acksaw> :(
11.23.11 #       <safetydan> What part isn't working for you?
11.24.04 #       <Acksaw> none
11.24.11 #       <Acksaw> i've just never set up an EQ before
11.26.50 #       <safetydan> Have you read through the manual?
11.27.11 #       <Acksaw> no
11.27.21 #       <Acksaw> since there isnt one as far as i know
11.27.57 #       <safetydan> Acksaw, http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
11.28.17 #       <Acksaw> and this is for the graphical eq?
11.28.23 #       <safetydan> It's for the whole of Rockbox
11.28.29 #       <safetydan> there's a section on the equazlier in there
11.33.36 #       <amiconn> Ehum
11.33.48 #       * amiconn wonders who did the ipod button assignment in grayscale.c
11.33.59 #       <amiconn> It's impossible to leave the plugin
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11.34.32 #       <dan_a> That sounds like something of an oversight...
11.35.12 #       <amiconn> The button is defined, but can't work that way
11.35.29 #       <amiconn> It's a dev-only plugin anyway
11.35.44 #       * amiconn is working on the grayscale lib port for greyscale ipods
11.37.13 #       * dan_a has a greyscale ipod...
11.37.20 #       * amiconn knows
11.37.34 #       <dan_a> That's for things like Doom and Rockboy, isn't it?
11.37.54 #       <amiconn> Doom, mandelbrot, fire, plasma, and the jpeg viewer
11.39.26 #       <amiconn> Rockboy doesn't need it, as a gameboy only has 4 levels of grey anyway
11.39.39 #       <dan_a> If you want me to test anything, let me know - although I can't do anything while I'm at work
11.40.13 #       <amiconn> This stuff should work on 3g the same way as on 4g and mini
11.40.17 #       * amiconn has a mini2g
11.40.49 #       <amiconn> The only thing that should be tested explicitly on 3g is the lcd's internal frame rate
11.40.55 #       <amiconn> I have a test plugin for this
11.42.41 #       <dan_a> OK - I'll get that tested when the lib is ready
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11.45.44 #       <amiconn> sim is already working...
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11.46.18 #       <dan_a> Excellent!
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11.47.06 #       <dan_a> Where can I get the test plugin then?
11.47.21 #       <amiconn> Now I need to try getting my head around arm asm...
11.48.25 #       <amiconn> I can send it to you, but it will probably commit it to cvs along with the ported lib
11.49.02 #       <dan_a> It's probably easiest if I take it from CVS then
11.49.05 #       <amiconn> I still don't know whether the lib will work as intended on ipod
11.49.34 #       <amiconn> The lcd hardware might cause unforeseeable effects
11.49.56 #       <dan_a> Why would that be?
11.50.02 #       <amiconn> No other way to find out that port and see
11.50.09 #       <amiconn> s/that/than/
11.50.25 #       <amiconn> It's because of the way the grayscale lib works
11.50.54 #       <amiconn> It does so-called temporal dithering, i.e. fast flipping through a number of monochrome frames
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11.53.29 #       <amiconn> For one, this flipping must be in sync with the lcd internal frame frequency (or nearly in sync, as all LCD controllers I've seen so far use an RC oscillator which isn't very stable frequency-wise, and it's impossible to read back the current frame state)
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11.55.04 #       <amiconn> There can be 2 caveats: (1) It might be impossible to do the flipping fast enough due to bottleneck(s). (2) The LCD may act up (showing artefacts) when doing the fast flipping
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11.55.55 #       <dan_a> I suspect that I might be affected by (1)!
11.56.08 #       <amiconn> No more than 4g and mini
11.56.16 #       <amiconn> (I guess
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11.57.36 #       <dan_a> Only if everything is done in IRAM (if I understand everything correctly)
11.57.38 #       <amiconn> You can build & run test_fps.c for 3g to see how fast the 3g can update the lcd
11.57.59 #       <amiconn> The bottleneck isn't the RAM in this case
11.58.08 #       <amiconn> It's the PP LCD interface
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11.59.11 #       <dan_a> Do I just need to add test_fps.c to apps/plugins/SOURCES to do that?
11.59.32 #       <amiconn> (or rather, the lack of knowledge on our side how to change the PP LCD interface timing)
12.00.35 #       <amiconn> Yes, that should work
12.01.28 #       <safetydan> what's the current recommended version of gcc for m68k?
12.01.37 #       <amiconn> 3.4.6
12.02.14 #       <safetydan> is it worth upgrading from 3.4.5?
12.02.24 #       <amiconn> probably not
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12.02.47 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, i just got an idea that it would be possible to define more complex searches for tagcache when it's loaded in ram.. For example referencing to other tags. And when it's not in ram, an error message could be displayed that the search is too complex, please load tagcache to ram.
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12.05.26 #       <sIRwa2> hi
12.06.14 #       <sIRwa2> i just got my new lcd for the jukebox recoreder, but i cant find a guide to disasamble the jukebox on the website anymore
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12.07.19 #       * amiconn points sIRwa2 towards http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#Hardware
12.13.08 #       <sIRwa2> may i thank thee
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12.14.15 #       <safetydan> amiconn, I think I've asked this before... are the grayscale lib displays supposed to "shimmer" periodicaly?
12.14.24 #       <amiconn> yes
12.14.39 #       * dan_a now has test_fps.rock to put on his iPod
12.14.39 #       <amiconn> That happens because of 2 effects
12.15.16 #       <amiconn> (1) Slight difference between internal lcd frame rate and refresh rate
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12.16.17 #       <amiconn> (2) Whenever data is written to the LCD GRAM position the LCD controller is displaying at that very moment, there is a collision which causes artifacts
12.16.37 #       <amiconn> These artifacts are black on the archos LCD, and white (and less visible) on the H1x0 LCD
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12.45.14 #       <barrywardell_> Hey Bagder
12.45.18 #       <Bagder> hey ho
12.45.29 #       <barrywardell_> i see you have a new mi4code version. What is updated?
12.45.30 #       <Bagder> noticed my mkmi4.sh?
12.45.41 #       <barrywardell_> noticed that too. very useful
12.45.46 #       <Bagder> barrywardell_: the ability to set the plain text part
12.46.00 #       <Bagder> possibly we can skip the TEA encryption by setting the whole file as plain text
12.46.43 #       <Bagder> set the plain text *length* rather
12.46.53 #       <barrywardell_> i see
12.47.18 #       <barrywardell_> not too critical to getting it to work on h10 or sansa though
12.47.34 #       <Bagder> not really, no
12.47.46 #       <barrywardell_> I also noticed your new cvs commits
12.48.02 #       <barrywardell_> Specifically boot.lds having crt0.o
12.48.05 #       <Bagder> yeps, now I get a PP5022.mi4 out of my sansa bootloader build
12.48.14 #       <Bagder> ready to copy to target
12.48.26 #       <barrywardell_> do you think it is necessary to have that for the H10 too?
12.48.49 #       <Bagder> convenient at least, and I think you just need to edit configure to have it work
12.48.57 #       <barrywardell_> have you tested your new build on your sansa yet?
12.49.02 #       <Bagder> yes
12.49.06 #       <Bagder> but nothing
12.49.17 #       <Bagder> I mean, I have no means to see if it works
12.49.33 #       <Bagder> doing LCD tests but no sucess yet
12.49.41 #       <barrywardell_> i suppose without the lcd or disk it's hard to test
12.50.26 #       <barrywardell_> i've edited my configure version to use mkmi4.sh
12.50.36 #       <barrywardell_> much easier
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12.52.01 #       <barrywardell_> am I right in understanding that previously crt0.S wasn't used by the arm bootloader?
12.52.10 #       <barrywardell_> but now it is?
12.52.54 #       <Bagder> you tried CVS up and rebuilt your bootloader?
12.53.21 #       <Bagder> the problem before was that crt0.S was not properly "pulled in" when I build the sansa loader, so I had to do this trick
12.53.31 #       <Bagder> the ipod loader fixes it by itself
12.53.56 #       <barrywardell_> ah, i see
12.54.02 #       <merbanan> barrywardell_: what happend to your H10 player ? did you fix it ?
12.55.21 #       <barrywardell_> just got a build error (multiple definition of 'start') after CVS up and rebuild bootloader. that is what you are referring to bagder?
12.55.28 #       <Bagder> yes
12.55.35 #       <Bagder> you're using the ipod way then I guess
12.55.53 #       <barrywardell_> I have left lots of the ipod stuff there for the moment
12.56.10 #       <Bagder> prevent boot.lds from pulling in that file and it should work
12.56.10 #       <barrywardell_> merbanan: the hdd failed. I sent it back to iriver for repair
12.56.34 #       <merbanan> barrywardell_: your fault or hardware failure ?
12.57.57 #       <sIRwa2> damn, my jukebox usb is solderd to both motherboards
12.58.31 #       <barrywardell_> merbanan: not totally sure. i was running code from rockbox on it at the time, but nothing I thought was dangerous so I suspect hardware failure
12.59.05 #       <merbanan> ok
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13.12.28 #       <Bagder> debugging a linux kernel certainly gets easier once the serial port starts working
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13.13.47 #       <oiup> hello, anyone from rockbox here?
13.13.54 #       <Bagder> lots
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13.14.04 #       <oiup> know about the rd2780?
13.14.14 #       <Bagder> what's there to know?
13.14.47 #       <oiup> just wondering if it would be possible to get people interested in porting rockbox for the device
13.15.00 #       <Bagder> others have mentioned interest before
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13.15.34 #       <oiup> precisely but they don't seem very enthusiastic, at least they are at the started but then nothign really moves on
13.15.54 #       <Bagder> yeah
13.16.11 #       <oiup> we got the boot sequence and all
13.16.26 #       <Bagder> but the best way to get interested people is to hunt them up in forums where you find owners of that player
13.16.38 #       <oiup> http://www.techolio.com/forums/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2075
13.17.11 #       <oiup> yeah but you know, people signup post a topic saying "im interested in making a new firmware for this thing" and then disapear
13.18.00 #       <oiup> so whats so different with the archos? i mean you guys have made rockbox for it, why not the rd2780?
13.18.15 #       <Bagder> we've made rockbox for some ~15 players by now
13.18.41 #       <oiup> right, i haven't seen any screens of rockbox running on archos, know where i could find soem?
13.18.48 #       <Bagder> oiup: its simple, no one who owns a rd2780 has had enough interest or skill
13.19.15 #       <oiup> yeah i guess
13.19.23 #       <Bagder> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots
13.20.16 #       <Bagder> oiup: so stop waiting, start acting on your own
13.20.50 #       <Bagder> there's a huge community of rockbox hackers around to assist with help on generic hacking and rockbox internals
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13.21.44 #       <oipp> got deconnected, could you give me that link again?
13.21.49 #       <Bagder> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots
13.21.54 #       <Bagder> there's a huge community of rockbox hackers around to assist with help on generic hacking and rockbox internals
13.22.17 #       <Bagder> just take the plunge and never turn back! .-)
13.22.24 #       <markun> and don't give up
13.22.30 #       <markun> others will join you
13.22.34 #       <oipp> yeah but i don't know a thing about programming unfortunately
13.22.41 #       <Bagder> more people are likely to join if any progress is shown
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13.24.06 #       <ripnetuk> hi... ive just got myself a Archos AV500... i realise that Rockbox isnt even started to be supported on it, but was wondering if anyone knows /any/ tech details about it (like processor, chipset etc)??
13.24.15 #       <ripnetuk> just out of geeky interest
13.24.26 #       <Bagder> archopen.org ?
13.24.37 #       <Bagder> I think that's a TSM320 or similar
13.24.40 #       <ripnetuk> archopen?
13.24.48 #       <ripnetuk> hehe
13.24.57 #       <oipp> theres no screens of a unit running rockbox playing video?
13.25.16 #       <ripnetuk> cool - thanks bagder :)
13.25.31 #       <markun> oipp: only the old archos units can play video (in grayscale)
13.25.40 #       <ripnetuk> ive never come across archopen - geek heaven
13.25.43 #       <Bagder> yeps, TMS320 based
13.25.47 #       <Bagder> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320
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13.26.34 #       <oipp> is there any other archos ports?
13.26.42 #       <oipp> like not rockbox
13.26.52 #       <Bagder> archopen.org
13.27.17 #       <Bagder> but I'm not sure how that works or exactly what they can do
13.27.34 #       <oipp> k thanks
13.28.07 #       <Bagder> why care about Archos ports?
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13.28.23 #       <Bagder> LD2780 is hardly an archos
13.28.40 #       <oipp> because the rd2780 is quite similar to the archos
13.28.46 #       <Bagder> in what aspects?
13.28.54 #       <oipp> i think it has the same procesor
13.28.55 #       <Bagder> and similar to what archos?
13.29.14 #       <markun> oipp: the archos players we support are probably not the ones you are talking about
13.29.36 #       <oipp> probably not yeah i realised from the screens
13.29.38 #       <Bagder> right, archos gmini 400 and AV400 have the TMS320DM270
13.29.58 #       <oipp> o ok, rd2780 has Ti DM270 processor
13.30.10 #       <Bagder> yes, that's the one
13.30.20 #       <Bagder> TMS320 DM270
13.30.31 #       <ripnetuk> looks like it needs a propritery tool chain :( althought wikipedia says there is some gcc support
13.30.43 #       <Bagder> its an ARM core
13.30.45 #       <Bagder> ARM7
13.30.55 #       <Bagder> so its full gcc support for that
13.30.55 #       <oipp> yeah, don't some pda's have similar processors?
13.31.04 #       <ripnetuk> ok
13.31.27 #       <oipp> the easieast thing would be to just upgrade the current firmware
13.31.33 #       <oipp> i think
13.31.38 #       <Bagder> yeah there might be a PDA somewhere but TMS320 is more portable player oriented
13.31.50 #       <Bagder> "upgrade" ?
13.31.52 #       <Bagder> yeah
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13.31.57 #       <Bagder> but you don't have the sources
13.32.05 #       <oipp> yeah like if i could upgrade the codecs or something
13.32.10 #       <Bagder> so that upgrade would be what you should write
13.32.17 #       <oipp> part of the source code has been released
13.32.24 #       <Bagder> yes, the public linux sources
13.32.31 #       <Bagder> you can get them from everywhere
13.32.36 #       <oipp> oh ok so theres nothing usable?
13.32.38 #       <Bagder> the interesting parts are not in there
13.32.53 #       <Bagder> well, some parts might be interesting of course
13.32.53 #       <oipp> damn would have to bribe an rca dev or something
13.33.13 #       <Bagder> oipp: welcome to reverse engineering. this is rockbox ;-)
13.34.09 #       <oipp> well the device will only play mpeg4-sp, it refuses to play b-frames (damn thing just skips all b-frames), would it be because the procesor isn't powerful enough? or is it just a software issue?
13.34.36 #       <Bagder> I would guess it is a sw issue
13.34.49 #       <Bagder> but that sw is in the DSP parts
13.35.14 #       <oipp> theres a new rca x3000 out that plays mpeg4-asp might try and find what hardware is in it
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13.37.09 #       <oipp> owell g2g, cyas, will look into this some other time, thanks for all your help
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13.40.39 #       <JdGordon> really ot.. does anyone know how to convert numbers between any two bases recursivly?
13.40.59 #       <JdGordon> hell even iterativly would be fine.. i cant get it working :'(
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13.43.08 #       <sIRwa2> WOOT i did it! i replaced my archos recorder screen.. 1:40 min
13.43.19 #       <sIRwa2> damn that was hard. and very messy
13.46.51 #       <safetydan> Yay, I can now calculate the apparent right ascension and declination of the sun on my h120...
13.46.57 #       <safetydan> now if only the damn thing had an rtc
13.47.08 #       <JdGordon> haha
13.47.10 #       <pondlife> Are e-mail addresses used in Flyspray likely to be spam-proof?  I can't see any way to view them, but wanted to be certain.
13.47.56 #       <safetydan> ah well, guess I'll just have to rely on users to enter the current time on non-RTC targets
13.48.20 #       <safetydan> pondlife, I haven't received any spam because of Flyspray. I think your email address isn't visible to non-admin users
13.48.27 #       <pondlife> Good
13.48.36 #       <Bagder> only in mails flyspray sends
13.48.36 #       <pondlife> Just added it properly
13.48.49 #       <Bagder> if you subscribe to a notification
13.49.24 #       <markun> safetydan: someone did a RTC mode for the iriver H1xx. I think it was Slasheri.
13.49.31 #       <markun> RTC mod
13.50.23 #       <safetydan> I'm not sure if my skills with a soldering iron (i.e I have no soldering skills) make it a wise move to start tinkering with the insides of my h120
13.50.57 #       <safetydan> besides, I'm not that desperate to have the time on there. it'll be quick enough to enter todays date in to the app I'm slowly building
13.51.18 #       <Bg3r> safetydan: :D
13.52.52 #       <Bg3r> safetydan: what app are you building ?
13.53.30 #       <safetydan> Bg3r, basically porting this http://home.znet.com/gregbell5/ to Rockbox
13.53.43 #       <safetydan> but when I say porting I mean rewriting from scratch and in the Rockbox manner :)
13.53.53 #       <safetydan> so more... taking the concept or being inspired by
13.54.26 #       <Bg3r> yay :)
13.55.00 #       <Bg3r> very good ;)
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13.57.48 #       <ripnetuk> :( looks like Archos no longer have their firmware on the hdd (==safe hacking) - looks like the firmware is flashed. Having said that, when I upgraded, it happened WAY fast, so i guess it could be on a hidden sector on the hdd... anyone know? (AV500)
13.58.25 #       <Bagder> just dd the whole disk before and after upgrade! ;-)
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13.59.07 #       <ripnetuk> bagder - yes, thats what I plan to do (apart from the fact ive already upgraded and you cant downgrade - ive gotta wait for new firmware from Archos)
13.59.18 #       <Bagder> hehe
13.59.19 #       <ripnetuk> but I could look in a dd for strings
13.59.27 #       <Bagder> yups
13.59.50 #       <ripnetuk> i always likes the way Archos just loaded the fw from disk - i was very scared when I first flashed my iRiver with the rockbox loader :)
14.00.06 #       <ripnetuk> gotta go... thanks for help
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14.05.54 #       <safetydan> night all
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14.07.24 #       <Luckydevil41> who to load into apple firmware on nano?
14.08.11 #       <Bagder> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple
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14.11.02 #       <Luckydevil41> thz
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14.37.05 #       <Moos> Hi all !
14.37.23 #       <JdGordon> its mooooss!!!!
14.39.55 #       <barrywardell_> iriver have received my h10 today. "Our technicians will keenly check and test the device."
14.40.00 #       <Moos> is there someone with CVS access here for a one line bugfix?
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14.40.04 #       <barrywardell_> hopefully they don't check it too keenly!
14.40.11 #       <JdGordon> haha
14.40.57 #       <Moos> Bagder: hi, there?
14.41.09 #       <Bagder> a bit
14.42.07 #       <Moos> just one missing tag in francais.lang
14.42.30 #       <Moos> that made the "no" string not working properly
14.43.27 #       <Moos> I don't have synced the francais.lang yet, and I thought no need to do a patch for just one missing tag
14.44.06 #       <Bagder> nope, but I'd need to fix things to get the unicode to work and I don't have that in order
14.44.25 #       <Moos> ah ok
14.46.17 #       <Moos> I'll see if there are a lot of new strings to tanslate and make a patch
14.46.24 #       <markun> hi Moos!
14.46.39 #       <Moos> heya markun !
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14.49.11 #       <amiconn> [14:44:04] <Bagder> nope, but I'd need to fix things to get the unicode to work <== What things?
14.49.25 #       <Bagder> environenment
14.49.27 #       <Bagder> editor
14.49.29 #       <Moos> editor thing?
14.49.32 #       <Moos> oops
14.49.32 #       <amiconn> ah
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14.52.44 #       <dan_a> Can anyone tell me if there are any major conceptual errors with this: http://pastebin.ca/113209 - the idea is that if the COP on PP-based machines is available, then the codec thread will run on it
14.53.10 #       <dan_a> I know that there will be major problems in practice with doing that (like cache concurrency)
14.53.17 #       <dan_a> but is the basic idea sound?
14.53.41 #       <linuxstb_> dan_a: I haven't looked at your patch, but if you want to test your ideas, don't forget that you can disable the cache completely.
14.54.00 #       <dan_a> linuxstb: Just by not calling ipod_init_cache()?
14.54.21 #       <Bagder> having the codec thread there sounds like a plan
14.55.24 #       <linuxstb_> dan_a: Yes.  Your ipod will be dog-slow, but it will still work fine.
14.55.53 #       <dan_a> s/dog-slow/even more dog-slow/
14.56.09 #       <linuxstb_> :) dog-with-a-limp-carrying-a-heavy-bag-slow
14.56.33 #       <Bagder> I hear dogs with heavy bags are reaaaally slow
14.56.58 #       <dan_a> Although it will be a 2 dog team now...
14.57.24 #       <Bagder> two dogs carry bags better
14.57.56 #       <dan_a> Somehow I can't believe it'll work, it all seems too easy.
14.58.48 #       <Mikachu> i thought the official stance was not to use the cop if it wasn't absolutely necessary
14.59.03 #       <linuxstb_> Mikachu: It seems pretty necessary on the 3g.
14.59.13 #       <Mikachu> ah
15.02.07 #       <dan_a> I've got a vague plan to only use the COP if the CPU boost is very high, but that's for when I understand the code a bit better
15.02.38 #       <Mikachu> i don't think you can measure boostedness, the playback code will only set the boost flag once iiuc
15.02.39 #       <dan_a> (and when I understand C a bit better...)
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15.04.52 #       <Mikachu> only two more commits until playback.c 1.337
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15.06.33 #       <JdGordon> Mikachu: both my random folder patches would do it!
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15.11.59 #       <amiconn> Yay!
15.12.13 #       * amiconn is looking at a working grayscale.rock on his ipod mini
15.12.18 #       <linuxstb_> freqmod: My thoughts are that it would be nice to have our own Ogg parser optimised for Rockbox - for use by speex, vorbis and possibly the FLAC decoder.  IIUC, your patch adds a second Ogg parser (libOgg) to Rockbox.
15.12.31 #       <linuxstb_> \o/  How does it look?
15.12.43 #       <amiconn> Grainy (the lcd internal frame frequency is way lower than on archos or iriver)
15.13.00 #       <freqmod> i have moved the framing.c into libspeex, but I am positive to a ogg parser specific to rockbox
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15.13.15 #       <amiconn> I also suspect some controller setting to be sub-optimal
15.13.31 #       <linuxstb_> That's no surprise...
15.13.33 #       <freqmod> I tried to port speex to use the tremor parser, but it won't work because the buffers it delivers are non linear
15.14.00 #       <freqmod> does flac support OggFLACs?
15.14.03 #       <javkrei> Hi, someone knows why midi playback doesn't work in the simulator?
15.14.22 #       <amiconn> The ipod mini backlight is very nice for greyscale
15.14.26 #       <javkrei> and if it would be too difficult to fix?
15.14.48 #       <linuxstb_> freqmod: No.  Currently the FLAC decoder only supports native FLAC.  But I'm not sure if OggFLAC is very popular - I can't recall anyone asking about Rockbox support for it.
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15.15.34 #       <freqmod> no i don't think so, but then i cant steal flac's ogg decoder :(
15.16.37 #       <freqmod> and tremor's will not work unless i reprogram the speex library, which leaves me with libogg, or a library written from scratch
15.16.38 #       <linuxstb_> freqmod: I did start work on a from-scratch Ogg parser, but didn't spend much time, and didn't get very far.  The aim would be to implement it without any malloc, and with the very minimal amount of copying of data.
15.18.29 #       <merbanan> linuxstb_: as usual look in ffmpeg, the ogg demuxer should be quite ok
15.18.46 #       <linuxstb_> But ffmpeg isn't afraid to use malloc...
15.18.50 #       <freqmod> speex would only need the framing.c routines (not the bitwise routines).
15.19.54 #       <freqmod> would api compatibillity (with libogg) or effectivenes be most valued?
15.20.46 #       <linuxstb_> I didn't go as far as looking at the current APIs, so I don't know.  Obviously maintaining the same (or very similar) API will mean no (or less) changes in speex and Tremor.
15.21.57 #       <freqmod> the biggest help in preformance was if the data could be keept in rockbox's file memory, not copied.
15.22.27 #       * freqmod looks at http://www.xiph.org/ogg/doc/rfc3533.txt (ogg framing specification)
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15.27.49 #       <markun> linuxstb_: tremor doesn't use the libogg api. a bit towards libogg2
15.28.57 #       <freqmod> Tremor uses some kind of linked pages etc, but the api is quite similar.
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15.38.15 #       <ftugrul> hello
15.38.15 #       <infamis> morning......................
15.39.24 #       <ftugrul> i'm using rockboox h300 experimental build, i think i've found a bug
15.40.14 #       <ftugrul> "keypress effects when backlite is off" is selected for lcd remote, but it's not working. is this common?
15.43.52 #       <infamis> no h300 here
15.44.18 #       <linuxstb_> ftugrul: Have you tried an official Rockbox build?  We can't help with experimental builds.
15.44.31 #       <linuxstb_> (but if the bug happens in the official build, we would like to know)
15.45.00 #       <ftugrul> ok, i'll try it with latest cvs and report to you
15.45.36 #       <infamis> wait....what's an expiremental build? cvs + patches?
15.46.40 #       <ftugrul> hmm, i have to try latest non-cvs build?
15.48.17 #       <infamis> probably a daily build or cvs build
15.48.35 #       <ftugrul> ok.
15.48.57 #       <ftugrul> i'll try latest "cvs build"
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15.50.48 #       <ftugrul> is "http://download.rockbox.org/daily/h300/rockbox-h300-20060803.zip" ok?
15.51.11 #       <markun> sure
15.51.45 #       <ftugrul> ok
15.53.56 #       <infamis> daily builds run at a specific time-of-day. there may be be commits after the daily build has run, so that's why the cvs-build is the most-up-to-date build.
15.53.58 #       <linuxstb_> ftugrul: When you change between an official Rockbox and an experimental version, it's probably best to force a settings reset when you first start the new version - hold REC as Rockbox is booting.
15.54.54 #       <ftugrul> i'll just rename .rockbox and rockbox.iriver then install new build.
15.55.41 #       <freqmod> does anybody know the rockbox buffering code. Would a 2xpage buffer, or up to a bage seeking backwars be cheapest?
15.55.53 #       <freqmod> s/bage/page/
15.56.04 #       <linuxstb_> How big is a page?
15.56.45 #       <freqmod> when ogg_sync_buffer reallocates pages it adds
15.56.49 #       <freqmod> forget it
15.57.01 #       <freqmod> it is the remaining of the buffer when all pages is removed
15.57.36 #       <freqmod> i think it depends on the encoder, for a normal speex file 2,5 kb.
15.58.35 #       <freqmod> the question is if  should implement a ringbuffer or tell the codec to seek(unused bytes) back and return data from there
15.59.12 #       <preglow> i thought the pp5024 was very similar to pp5020. not so?
16.00.00 #       <freqmod> preglow:AFAIK the only difference is a broken cache
16.00.12 #       <preglow> _pp5024_ has a broken cache???
16.00.26 #       <preglow> sure you're not mixing it up with pp5002?
16.00.31 #       <freqmod> probably
16.00.32 #       <ftugrul> ok, it's fixed on official build.
16.01.41 #       <Mikachu> ftugrul: the settings aren't saved in .rockbox
16.02.00 #       <infamis> isn't it in memory?
16.02.25 #       <ftugrul> Mikachu, will it remove my original h300 firmware's radio presets and rockbox radio presets?
16.02.37 #       <ftugrul> if i reset settings?
16.02.42 #       <Mikachu> no idea, i don't think so
16.02.54 #       <Mikachu> they are probably too large to be saved as settings
16.03.35 #       <freqmod> does request buffer advance the buffer?
16.04.53 #       <freqmod> (from a codec)
16.08.22 #       <linuxstb_> freqmod: No.  request buffer just gives you a pointer to the start of the buffer.  You manually advance it.  The buffer_read() function will both copy the data and advance the buffer.
16.08.53 #       <javkrei> could someone tell me if midi playing is working in rockbox?
16.09.04 #       <linuxstb_> But the idea is that you should advance it as soon as possible - to give the audio thread the ability to fill it with future tracks.
16.09.12 #       <ftugrul> javkrei: yes
16.09.23 #       <ftugrul> but you need to get patchsets first.
16.09.33 #       <Bg3r> ftugrul: it shouldn't, but u must open the preset list manually
16.09.45 #       <javkrei> ok, thanks, so it's just in the simulator that it doesn't right?
16.10.06 #       <ftugrul> simulator?
16.10.34 #       <freqmod> linuxstb_:But i want to keep it unadvanced to advance it just as much as the codec has processed (right before the next request_buffer).
16.10.51 #       <freqmod> would that be worse than a ringbuffer?
16.10.55 #       <linuxstb_> That's fine - most codecs work like that.
16.11.30 #       <linuxstb_> i.e. they request some buffer (enough to guarantee it contains at least one compressed frame), decode it, and then advance the buffer "consumed" number of bytes.
16.11.49 #       <freqmod> ok, then ogg_sync_insert_reference takes the pointer from request_buffer, and then ogg_sync_get_advance returns the number of bytes processed
16.12.12 #       <javkrei> ftugrul: the uisimulator, that's a simulation of rockbox that runs on pc's
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16.12.32 #       <ftugrul> oh, no
16.12.47 #       <ftugrul> i'm using it with my h340, and it works.
16.13.02 #       <javkrei> ok, thanks a lot
16.13.47 #       <ftugrul> not perfect, it sometimes can't catch buffer, but plays :D
16.13.49 #       <ftugrul> np
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16.17.37 #       <freqmod> A c question, would "ogg_sync_insert_reference(state,request_buffer(<chunk size>,&realsize),realsize)" send the real size of request_buffer to ogg_sync_insert_reference?
16.20.50 #       <klrspz> assuming it's the 3rd parameter to that function, then yes it appears so
16.20.58 #       <freqmod> yes
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16.28.22 #       <linuxstb_> freqmod: Personally, I would split that into two lines - just to make it clearer.
16.30.51 #       <freqmod> ok, it is  currently just a comment on how to input data, i haven't converted the whole file nor started compiling it yet.
16.31.54 #       <freqmod> it does seem like continued packet could be a problem
16.32.46 #       <amiconn> Hrrrrrrmmmm
16.33.01 #       * amiconn found the problem of the heavy grescale flickering
16.33.26 #       <amiconn> The lcd internal frame frequency is significantly higher than I thought
16.33.29 #       * freqmod congratulates amiconn
16.34.02 #       <amiconn> ...so high that we can't send one source frame for every internal frame :(
16.34.05 #       <JdGordon> didnt you say it was too low before?
16.34.22 #       <amiconn> Yes, that was a measuring error
16.35.59 #       <amiconn> We can do every second frame, and that eats 75% CPU time - when boosted, on mini! :(
16.36.32 #       <linuxstb_> Ouch...  You do have a COP to use though...
16.37.00 #       <amiconn> That won<#t help
16.37.22 #       <amiconn> It'd still be impossible to drive every single frame
16.37.47 #       <amiconn> The lcd controller access is the bottleneck
16.38.02 #       <linuxstb_> Yes, but it frees the CPU.
16.38.10 #       <amiconn> We can do ~60fps on mini when boosted, but the internal frame frequency is 88Hz
16.38.58 #       <linuxstb_> So how does 44fps look?
16.39.30 #       <amiconn> On H1x0, we can do 360fps unboosted, and only need 70 for greyscale... :/
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16.39.41 #       <linuxstb_> Ouch again.
16.40.34 #       <dan_a> Is that a hardware design problem or is it the iPod LCD driver?
16.41.25 #       <amiconn> It's a lack-of-knowledge problem
16.41.45 #       * amiconn wants PP docs, damnit!
16.42.27 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: 44Hz is bearable, comparable to the grayscale lib on archos when the archos got somewhat warm
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16.43.17 #       <amiconn> The gamma is weird.... need to measure
16.44.06 #       <amiconn> The natural gamma (ignoring nonlinearity) seems to be < 1
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17.15.13 #       <Febs> Hmmmm.  What's going on with this?   ../tools/configure: line 472: syntax error near unexpected token `<<<'
17.16.57 #       <freqmod> cvs difference error
17.17.22 #       <freqmod> grep for the <<< token and decide how to merge, the data before === is the original, and after is cvs
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17.37.07 #       <pi> can someone with commit access have a look at fixing francais.lang as highlighted in FS#5741
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17.41.28 #       <markun> sure
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17.47.06 #       <markun> pi: committed
17.48.33 #       <pi> thanks
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18.00.41 #       <moixa> hiall. quick question about upgrading. i want to upgrade my existing .rockbox (on my x5) with the current cvs. can I just overwrite everything or should i backup my settings (where are those?), delete everything and do a clean install?
18.01.17 #       <pi> overwriting should be fine
18.01.22 #       <linuxstb_> I always upgrade by just overwriting.
18.01.37 #       <moixa> ok, thanks. i was just wondering.
18.01.43 #       <moixa> where are the settings saved anyway?
18.01.50 #       <linuxstb_> Sometimes a new version of Rockbox will reset your settings.  So before you upgrade, export your settings to a text file using the "Manage Settings" option.
18.02.08 #       <moixa> ah. good point.
18.02.11 #       <linuxstb_> In an otherwise unused disk sector between the partition table and the first partition.
18.02.36 #       <moixa> I see. ok, I will backup and then overwrite it. cheers.
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18.08.05 #       <moixa> btw. at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#Rockbox_Installation_Instruction the iaudio list item shoud link to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot#Installation
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18.08.16 #       <moixa> (or give me, TobiasSager, write access... ;-)
18.10.36 #       <obo> moixa: you now have write access
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18.11.00 #       <moixa> obo: Thx
18.12.42 #       <moixa> bye everybody
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18.40.51 #       * dan_a reminds himself to check builds on all architectures, not just the ones he thinks he's making changes to.
18.42.18 #       <Bagder> :-)
18.45.11 #       * dan_a repeats himself, and then runs and hides
18.49.21 #       <amiconn> dan_a: Did you already run test_fps?
18.50.14 #       <dan_a> amiconn: Not yet, but I'll do it tonight
18.50.27 #       <Acksaw> anyone good with setting up a EQ on my H320?
18.50.33 #       <Acksaw> with rockbox.. of course
18.50.36 #       <Mikachu> did you say the old bootloader will start current rockboxes correctly and the new won't start old, or the other way around?
18.50.51 #       <amiconn> If you get ~50fps boosted then it'll be sufficient for the grayscale lib
18.50.55 #       <markun> Acksaw: still didn't figure it out?
18.51.00 #       <Acksaw> nope
18.51.13 #       <markun> why do you want to setup a EQ?
18.51.32 #       <Acksaw> to make my music sound a lil better
18.51.50 #       <dan_a> Mikachu: Old rockboxes won't work with the new BL.  New rockboxes will work with the old.
18.52.01 #       <markun> Acksaw: what's lacking right now with your headphones?
18.52.08 #       <Mikachu> dan_a: that is good then
18.52.10 #       <Acksaw> bass?
18.52.16 #       <Acksaw> lil bit of treble wouldnt go a miss
18.52.26 #       <dan_a> Mikachu: There's no point in upgrading until something is actually *done* with the COP
18.52.38 #       <markun> just move slider 1 and 5 until it's right
18.52.44 #       <Mikachu> yeah i just wanted to be sure it wasn't that old bootloader can't load new rockbox
18.53.16 #       <Bagder> dan_a: just note that PP is now used on more (possible) platforms than ipod
18.53.35 #       <Bagder> I meant like for commenting etc
18.54.04 #       <dan_a> Bagder: I'll remember that.
18.54.23 #       <dan_a> It's only really the Sansa and H10, though, isn't it?
18.54.29 #       <Bagder> right now, yes
18.54.44 #       <Febs> Acksaw: I have a post on Mistic River with some suggestions on how to use the parametric EQ.  Have you seen that?
18.55.38 #       <Acksaw> I haven't, no
18.55.45 #       <Acksaw> care to point me in the right direction?
18.56.13 #       <Acksaw> currently i have 80Hz on 2.0 and 12000Hz on 2.0
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18.56.16 #       <Acksaw> rest are 0
18.56.26 #       <Acksaw> but it still sounds a little "dull"
18.57.12 #       <Acksaw> Febs I have mx550's if thats anyhelp
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18.59.15 #       <Febs> Acksaw: here's a good place to start.  Band 0 is similar to the bass boost function, except that you have more control.  Likewise, Band 5 is similar to the treble boost function.
18.59.55 #       <Acksaw> i just want a little more spark
19.00.01 #       <Acksaw> inmstead of a dull tone
19.00.39 #       <Febs> If you set the frequency for Band 0 to 300hZ,  and the frequency for Band 5 to 1.5kHz (1500Hz), you will have an approximation of the bass and treble boost functions on bands 0 and 5.
19.00.58 #       <Acksaw> well
19.01.03 #       <Acksaw> i actually have a EQ on foobar
19.01.09 #       <Acksaw> that i'd like to port someone across
19.01.25 #       <Febs> OK.  That should be easy.
19.02.05 #       <Febs> (though you may be more limited in Rockbox because you have only 5 eq filters)
19.02.18 #       <Acksaw> would you like to see the setup?
19.02.29 #       <Febs> sure.
19.03.01 #       <Acksaw> http://slyck.p4h.biz/EQ.PNG
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19.05.06 #       <Febs> Ok, try this:
19.05.14 #       <Febs> Band 0  gain=0
19.06.00 #       <Acksaw> done
19.06.25 #       <Febs> Band 1 Freq=80Hz, gain=5
19.06.49 #       <Acksaw> done
19.07.05 #       <Febs> Band 2 Freq=330Hz, gain=-5
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19.07.37 #       <Febs> Band 3 Freq=1.8kHz (1800Hz), gain=1
19.08.50 #       <Acksaw> done
19.08.58 #       <Febs> Band 4 Freq=5kHz, gain=3
19.09.31 #       <Acksaw> how do i change the first number on the freq?
19.09.31 #       <Febs> Play with the Q settings to suit your taste.
19.09.44 #       <Febs> Huh?
19.09.46 #       <Acksaw> as its on 3992 atm
19.09.54 #       <Acksaw> and i dont know how change the 2 to 0
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19.10.45 #       <Febs> Do you mean change 3992 to 3990?  Or change from band 2 to band 0?
19.10.56 #       <Acksaw> 3992 to 3990
19.11.17 #       <Febs> Don't worry about it.  It's a .02% difference, which is probably completely inaudible.
19.11.21 #       <Acksaw> ah
19.11.26 #       <Acksaw> what about band 5?
19.11.33 #       <Febs> Actually it's less than that.
19.11.52 #       <Febs> There is no band 5.  It had a brain freeze when I wrote that above.  It should be bands 0 through 4.
19.12.10 #       <Acksaw> i have 5 bars
19.12.26 #       <Acksaw> and you gave me up to band 4
19.12.28 #       <Febs> 0,1,2,3,4 ==> 5 bars
19.12.39 #       <Acksaw> what freqeuncy is 0?
19.13.06 #       <Febs> Considering that I suggested that you set the gain to 0, the frequency doesn't matter because you aren't changing anything.
19.13.13 #       <Acksaw> ahhh
19.15.04 #       <Febs> Now, all that said, I suggest that you do this:  save the EQ settings that I just gave you in case you want to go back to them.
19.15.53 #       <Febs> Set the gain for all channels at 0
19.16.32 #       <Febs> Take channel 1, 2, or 3 (NOT 0 or 4).  Turn the gain up fairly high (all the way to 24 if you want).
19.16.37 #       <Febs> Set Q to about 5.
19.18.04 #       <Febs> Set frequency at 50Hz.  Gradually raise the frequency from 50Hz through the 18kHz (or whatever the top frequency is).  Stop from time to time and listen to how the sound of your music changes.
19.19.00 #       <Acksaw> ok
19.19.02 #       <Acksaw> doing that now
19.19.26 #       <Acksaw> sounds like its echoing
19.19.27 #       <Febs> (Alternately, set all of the slides in foobar to 0.  Raise the slides one at a time.  Then lower them one at a time.  Listen to how the sound changes.)
19.19.53 #       <Acksaw> that sounds reallly bad
19.20.03 #       <Acksaw> its like whistling
19.20.07 #       <Febs> The point is that by doing this, you will learn how the various frequencies affect the sound of your music, and you can then use that knowledge to adjust the EQ on your own.
19.20.39 #       <Febs> Because when it comes right down to it, there really is no substitute for listening.
19.20.58 #       <Acksaw> i just saved that eq
19.21.02 #       <Acksaw> now i cant find it in the list =\
19.21.54 #       <Febs> One more hint:  as you sweep from the bottom frequency all the way to the top, if you hear the music get suddenly louder, that is a frequency you should cut in your EQ.  If you hear the music suddenly get quieter, that is a frequency you should boost.
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19.22.07 #       <Acksaw> ahhh
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19.24.05 #       <Febs> Thus endeth the lesson.
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19.24.28 #       <preglow> Febs: for that to work reliably, the sweep amplitude should be adjusted by an equal perceived amplitude curve
19.24.48 #       <preglow> if you just do a flat sweep, it'll sound like it does dips even if nothing is wrong
19.24.53 #       <Febs> Understood.
19.25.26 #       <preglow> unluckily, such a curve is dependent on sound pressure level as well
19.25.40 #       <preglow> might perhaps just use an a weighting curve or something
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19.26.04 #       <preglow> as in what replaygain uses
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19.26.19 #       * Febs seems to recall that he once he had idea for a plugin to help with that ...
19.26.23 #       <Febs> :)
19.26.25 #       <preglow> heh
19.26.32 #       <preglow> i did start coding one
19.26.38 #       <preglow> all it currently does is a linear sine sweep
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19.32.19 #       <lex> http://evot.us/x/poyta.jpg hah my real desktop ;D
19.32.39 #       <Nibbler> mess!
19.33.28 #       <petur> yuck
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19.36.11 #       <BHSPit[Birfday]> that's terrifying, lex
19.37.09 #       <BHSPit[Birfday]> strange, that we both run and support linux, and we both have Microsoft mice and keyboards :D
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19.41.51 #       <markun> petur: I also had my iriver skipping when I was running one time
19.41.59 #       <markun> but ot
19.42.17 #       <markun> but it's a bout 1.5 years ago and the hd is still fine
19.43.42 #       <petur> still, if you're moving it so that it starts to skip music, the hdd won't like it
19.44.11 #       <markun> I don't take it with me anymore when I'm running
19.44.23 #       <markun> (and don't run much anymore :)
19.44.30 #       <petur> heh
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20.14.44 #       <Terinjokes> hey
20.15.30 #       <BHSPit[Birfday]> yeh
20.16.00 #       <Terinjokes> bhspit, today your birthday?
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20.20.43 #       <pondlife> A little heads up to another talk bug fix.  http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5766
20.21.53 #       <pondlife> It allows use of .talk clips with no voice file loaded (previously this crashed).
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20.22.56 #       <pondlife> There's a very minor issue remaining, only caused if you have no voice file and had .talk clips disabled, and then you enable .talk clips wirhout rebooting.  ButI'm off on holiday now, so won't be able to go any further with it.
20.22.58 #       <Terinjokes> is .talk for voice control, or having rockbox announce song title?
20.23.08 #       <pondlife> Song titles
20.23.16 #       <pondlife> Well dir and file names
20.23.48 #       <pondlife> Personally I like to dir .talk clips when driving, and have no need for a voice file
20.24.01 #       <pondlife> to *use* dir
20.24.30 #       <Terinjokes> i think i have that option turned on, maybe it doesn't work on the ipod
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20.24.45 #       <pondlife> You need to generate the .talk files too.
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20.25.13 #       <pondlife> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto for details
20.26.15 #       <pondlife> Much nicer than having filenames spelt out IMHO
20.26.32 #       <pondlife> Anyway, gotta pack now. Bye all
20.26.33 #       <Terinjokes> ok
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20.31.49 #       <pill> i have an idea
20.31.55 #       <Terinjokes> yes
20.32.06 #       <pill> there is a mod to do on the ihp1x0 to allow charging via usb
20.32.46 #       <pill> would it be possible for rockbox to have a "Allow USB charging when plugged ON/OFF" so that when you plug your unit for like 3 minutes it wont start a charging cycle?
20.33.30 #       <Terinjokes> i don't understand, you DON'T want it to charge?
20.33.39 #       <pill> i dont want it to charge eveytime
20.33.49 #       <pill> it would kill my battery
20.33.54 #       <bluebrother> pill, I don't think this would work
20.34.05 #       <pill> :(
20.34.07 #       <bluebrother> charging is done in HW on the h100 series.
20.34.11 #       <pill> ah
20.34.30 #       <bluebrother> I don't know the circuits but I'm pretty sure there isn't a way to prevent charging.
20.34.45 #       <pill> okay
20.34.51 #       <pill> so if i do the mod
20.34.55 #       <sharpe> bluebrother: disconnecting the cable?
20.34.58 #       <pill> it will charge everytime
20.35.08 #       <pill> i plug the usb cable
20.35.09 #       <pill> hm
20.35.23 #       <bluebrother> sharpe, hehe. Nice option.
20.35.37 #       <sharpe> well, it's pretty universal. :)
20.35.44 #       <bluebrother> indeed.
20.36.12 #       <bluebrother> but maybe a bit ... manual ;-)
20.36.17 #       <sharpe> yep.
20.36.48 #       <pill> http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=38142
20.36.57 #       <pill> this is a leet hack
20.39.38 #       <bluebrother> pill, you could build a usb cable that doesn't carry power.
20.39.58 #       <bluebrother> or add a power switch to a usb cable ;-)
20.40.11 #       <Terinjokes> or you don't plug the cable in!
20.40.31 #       <pill> usb that doesn't carry power
20.40.34 #       <pill> hmm
20.40.38 #       <pill> switch!
20.40.42 #       <pill> that's a brilliant idea
20.40.55 #       <Terinjokes> ok, i have a question about voice files
20.40.57 #       <bluebrother> just break the 5V line in a cable with a switch.
20.41.15 #       <bluebrother> but I don't know how much usb itself will like that. At least you could try.
20.41.40 #       <Terinjokes> i wish to use english_Mike_cvs.zip but their is no link to download it
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20.44.17 #       <pill> maybe there could be a way to have the ihp drain power from the usb
20.44.19 #       <pill> too
20.44.23 #       <pill> not charge
20.44.30 #       <pill> just be powered by the usb host
20.44.46 #       <bluebrother> Terinjokes, AT&T files have been removed due to copyright issues.
20.44.51 #       <amiconn> dionoea: Around now?
20.44.59 #       <bluebrother> see the note on the top of the VoiceFiles page.
20.45.14 #       <Terinjokes> bluebrother, you guys did a horrible job at "removing" it
20.45.27 #       <bluebrother> ?
20.45.30 #       <Terinjokes> but yes, i see the warning now
20.46.57 #       <hotwire_> hey folks, i'm trying to write a plugin, but would like to talk to somebody about the right data structures to use for it
20.48.27 #       <Terinjokes> ah! the voice file is broken!
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20.49.03 #       <Terinjokes> it is reading off the wrong menus!
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20.50.53 #       <dionoea> hello
20.50.55 #       <dionoea> amiconn: ?
20.50.59 #       <Terinjokes> hey
20.51.39 #       <amiconn> dionoea: I found 2 graphical bugs in solitaire only affecting non-archos targets
20.52.18 #       <dionoea> big color screens ? :)
20.52.22 #       <dionoea> and the numbers ?
20.52.30 #       <amiconn> (1) The bitmaps for the empty final stacks are completely messed up
20.52.47 #       <dionoea> ok, that's the big color screens thing (or maybe not so big)
20.52.59 #       <amiconn> No, also 4-gray
20.53.19 #       <amiconn> (2) (colour only) The number bitmaps have a green background. Looks odd on a white card....
20.53.20 #       <dionoea> well bigger than 64 pixels high screens :D
20.53.21 #       <Terinjokes> bluebrother, i'm a little confused about voice. what do i do if i want it to read off the name of the song
20.53.35 #       <dionoea> yeah, i noticed those two bugs ... i"ll fix them :)
20.54.02 #       <bluebrother> you need to generate .talk clips or let the voice spell the filenames to you.
20.54.04 #       <amiconn> pixelma found 2 more bugs which affect archos, and possibly other targets
20.54.16 #       <dionoea> amiconn: what are they ?
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20.54.49 #       <Terinjokes> ok, i have it set up for reading filenames, but it kinda crazy, going like "j4xx56jjxpercentbattery"
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20.55.16 #       <amiconn> (3) The suits bitmaps for the 2 lower cards in "draw three" are "falling out"
20.55.44 #       <dionoea> well they're on the left so we can see them. Do they overflow the card ?
20.55.54 #       <amiconn> yes
20.55.58 #       <dionoea> hum ... ok
20.56.24 #       <dionoea> btw, anyone here know how to change a bitmap's palette in the gimp without converting to 24bit colors and back to another palette ?
20.56.53 #       <bluebrother> Terinjokes, have you installed the correct voice file? You can't use a cvs build with a non-cvs voice file.
20.57.18 #       <Terinjokes> yeah, i'm on a CVS build with a CVS voice file
20.57.29 #       <dionoea> amiconn: what was the 4th bug ?
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20.58.46 #       <dan_a> amiconn: I've just done test_fps on a 3g.  92.5fps when the CPU is at 75MHz
20.59.08 #       <amiconn> (4) has to do with "draw three" as well. When putting 2 of the three cards elsewhere, the 3rd card vanishes
20.59.36 #       <dionoea> hum... was that after or before my 2nd solitaire.c commit ?
20.59.57 #       <pixelma> I thought it was after.. but I'll try again
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21.00.06 #       <dionoea> thanks
21.00.29 #       <dionoea> i though that i had it fixed ... but since i was really tired i might have been wrong
21.00.40 #       <amiconn> A maybe related observation by me is that on recorder, if you push play, even if the card can't be put where the cursor is, one card vanishes from the drawn ones
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21.01.11 #       <amiconn> If all three have vanished and you press play again, all 3 cards reappear
21.01.19 #       * dionoea knew that there were going to be problems after that commit :)
21.01.53 #       <pepie34> in the last cvs commit, it sid to have some work done on coprocessor on ipod
21.02.01 #       <pepie34> what has been done ?
21.02.27 #       <dionoea> btw, is it still safe to use CVS builds with the old bootloader on ipods ?
21.03.19 #       <pepie34> dionoea, is that what you are alking about: ipod coprocessor commit?
21.03.25 #       <dionoea> yeah
21.03.29 #       <dan_a> dionoea: Yes, just not the new bootloader with the old builds
21.03.35 #       <dionoea> ok
21.04.46 #       <dan_a> Basically, the new bootloader doesn't turn the coprocessor off - it leaves it up to the code to do that.  If you use an old build with that then the coprocessor runs around doing all sorts of random stuff to data
21.04.51 #       <Terinjokes> what does the ipod coprocessor commit do?
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21.05.07 #       <amiconn> dan_a: 92fps? Wow! That's faster than 4g and mini!
21.05.22 #       <dan_a> Terinjokes: It just gives developers a way to start putting code on it
21.05.23 #       <amiconn> That's the full screen value (1/1)?
21.05.31 #       <pepie34> dan_a what is the purpose to do that on the bootloader ?
21.05.45 #       <Terinjokes> [/sarcasm] does it fix rockboy?
21.05.52 #       <dan_a> amiconn: Yep: the 1/4 was something like 300fps!
21.05.55 #       <pepie34> I 'have ssen some code to wake the cop from the cup in ipodinux
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21.06.44 #       <dionoea> dan_a: so it'll take more battery ?
21.06.44 #       <amiconn> dan_a: Then I don't expect problems for the grayscale lib on 3g. Maybe we can even go full-rate!
21.06.52 #       <dionoea> err ... nevermind
21.06.59 #       <dan_a> pepie34: The loader for rockbox code in both IPL's loader and ours was putting the COP to sleep, which meant that we couldn't use it from inside the program
21.07.04 #       <amiconn> (but that would probably eat almost all CPU)
21.07.18 #       <pepie34> yes i understad that
21.07.22 #       <dan_a> amiconn: Oh well, we've got 2 of them!
21.07.22 #       <amiconn> I expect the lcd frame frequency to be around 78Hz like on 4g
21.07.34 #       <midgey34> dionoea: why does the suitsi bitmap look so bad?
21.07.54 #       <dionoea> because 1/ the bitmaps are horrible and 2/ stride is wrong in the ocde
21.07.55 #       <pepie34> but you can wake it up then for the program
21.07.56 #       <amiconn> dan_a: Now if you can make up an api to use the cop from within plugins...
21.08.03 #       <dionoea> midgey34: but i'm fixing that :)
21.08.04 #       <pepie34> s/for/from/
21.08.21 #       <midgey34> I thought I was using the same array in my blackjack code and it looks fine there
21.08.35 #       <dionoea> it's using bitmaps since yesterday
21.08.36 #       <dan_a> amiconn: 2 weeks ago I barely knew about APIs, and just wanted the titles to scroll in my iPod.
21.08.44 #       <dan_a> It was harder than I thought...
21.10.28 #       <pixelma> dionoea: so you did find it?
21.10.38 #       <pepie34> you need to write 0x0 to 0x60007004 to wake it up from cpu
21.10.46 #       <dionoea> pixelma: i just finished fixing the bitmaps ... i'll start looking now :)
21.10.59 #       <amiconn> dionoea: Btw, what was the problem with the 16bit bitmaps again?
21.11.18 #       <dionoea> that compile problem i had yesterday ?
21.11.40 #       <amiconn> yes
21.12.07 #       <dan_a> pepie34: The problem is that it then starts running from where it had stopped.  In the meantime memory has been remapped so we have no control over what the coprocessor is doing.
21.12.08 #       <dionoea> well the file didn't exist and wasn't supposed to exist ... but i was too tired to notice that :/
21.12.38 #       <amiconn> oh
21.12.55 #       <dionoea> kind of silly
21.13.08 #       <amiconn> Yeah, don't tell me about silly bugs...
21.13.13 #       * amiconn made several today
21.13.30 #       <pepie34> dan_a for now in ipodlinux it is even not pu to sleep
21.13.33 #       <pepie34> put
21.13.50 #       <amiconn> E.g., what is wrong here:   for(i = 7; i >= 0; i++)   ?
21.13.52 #       * dionoea notices that numbers are always black now on color screen targets ... rha :(
21.13.58 #       <pepie34> it is  used as a kind of dma
21.14.06 #       <dionoea> amiconn: hehe, this is one of my favorites :)
21.14.07 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: nothing if you want it to loop 2^32 times
21.14.16 #       <elinenbe_work> amiconn: how far away are you from anti-aliased fonts? ;-)
21.14.26 #       <pepie34> it enters a loop that copy the audio buffer to the codec device
21.14.35 #       * amiconn slaps elinenbe_work around a bit
21.15.20 #       <pixelma> now I tried with a bleeding edge... if that's a hint: every time I put one card from the "draw 3 heap" away with "long left" (on Ondio) the last of the three vanishes
21.15.36 #       * dionoea hopes that JdGordon's action keymap patch will be commited soon so i can clean plugins code a bit
21.16.22 #       <dionoea> i'm wondering if i should go back to the old layout for the small archos screens
21.16.25 #       * amiconn starts tackling unbuffered grayscale lib mode
21.16.26 #       <midgey34> dionoea: are these of any use?
21.16.26 #       <midgey34> http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9882/solitairesuitsi15x16x16wt9.png
21.16.26 #       <midgey34> http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8977/solitairesuitsi15x16x1xp8.png
21.16.36 #       <dionoea> midgey34: i already fixed them :)
21.16.40 #       <dionoea> not commited yet
21.16.41 #       <midgey34> well then
21.16.44 #       <elinenbe_work> amiconn: hey... watch that!  I just think that is resonable to ask of you :-)
21.16.45 #       <midgey34> good job
21.16.46 #       <dionoea> thanks anyway
21.16.48 #       * elinenbe_work hides
21.17.01 #       <pixelma> and I couldn't access the very last card...
21.18.15 #       <Terinjokes> i know this is kinda unsupported, but can anyone tell me how to add album art to a skin?
21.18.19 #       <dionoea> well i only changed display code ... i'll double check the diff
21.18.21 #       <amiconn> dionoea: Just a hint: the bitmap build system creates an appropriate .h file for every bmp it converts
21.19.15 #       <pixelma> maybe that bug was in before - I can't tell because I wasn't able to play that for a while
21.19.30 #       <dionoea> yeah, might be
21.21.14 #       <dionoea> hum numbers+suit height is just bigger than the card's height ... that's problematic
21.21.28 #       <dionoea> (for archos)
21.22.51 #       <pepie34> dan_a, may be i have an idea: we can set the interrupts table before wakig up the COP, trigerring a software interupt then put the cop up
21.23.31 #       <bluebrother> would be nice if solitaire would use greyscales ... it's pretty hard to distinguish the colors here.
21.23.50 #       <pepie34> I don't know where the pc is store before going into the interrupts on arm
21.23.52 #       <dionoea> pixelma: hum, the play button thing is indeed weird. I think that it was already in the code before my commits yesterday... i'll try to fix it
21.23.58 #       <dan_a> pepie34: the interrupts table on the COP?
21.24.06 #       <pepie34> yes
21.24.42 #       <pepie34> I have a discussion with some guy involved on ipodliux
21.25.14 #       <dan_a> It's easy enough to sleep and wake the COP from the main thread now: you just set COP_CTL = PROC_WAKE
21.25.21 #       <pepie34> and i told me we can either affect each interupt on cop or cpu
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21.25.39 #       <pepie34> s/i/he/
21.26.21 #       <pepie34> Can we still use the ipl?
21.26.23 #       <pepie34> :)
21.27.00 #       <dan_a> pepie34: Of course!
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21.27.51 #       <Terinjokes> i'm bored!
21.27.56 #       <dan_a> I'm not exactly sure what we would want to do with interrupts on the COP - I'm fairly new to all this.  Feel free to write some code though!
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21.28.16 #       <pepie34> Well i do't really know arm asm
21.28.22 #       <Febs> Bagder: around?
21.28.38 #       <dan_a> pepie34: It's easy enough to learn
21.28.43 #       <pepie34> :)
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21.29.15 #       <pepie34> my ida was to put the cop on interrupts as soon as it wakes up
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21.29.31 #       <pepie34> and as we can set the interupts table
21.29.33 #       <dan_a> (I say this as someone who'd not looked at ARM ASM before a few weeks ago, and who hadn't done any programming for 5 years)
21.30.05 #       <pepie34> we can make execute the code we want as soon as it wakes up
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21.31.46 #       <pepie34> the only dirty thing is to modify the pc that is saved somewhere (on the stack i assumed) for the interupt return
21.33.01 #       <dan_a> pepie34: The COP has its own PC
21.33.15 #       <dan_a> It's a complete second processor
21.33.30 #       <pepie34> yes but when a cpu goes into an interupts
21.33.41 #       <pepie34> it push the currnt pc somewhere
21.34.09 #       <pepie34> to return to correct normal code after the interrupt s cleared
21.34.31 #       <pepie34> on 68k it is on the stack
21.34.48 #       <pepie34> don't know for the arm
21.35.50 #       <Mikachu> that is a clever trick
21.35.51 #       <pepie34> usually all the proc register are push on the stack on interupts
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21.38.18 #       <pepie34> the simpliest way to make the cop execute what we want after a wake up is to never return from interupt
21.38.22 #       <linuxstb> AFAIK, the COP and main CPU share the same interrupt handlers - there is only one set of vectors.
21.39.03 #       <linuxstb> Interrupts can be independently enabled for the two processors though.
21.39.15 #       <dionoea> pixelma: i really can't find a pretty way to display both number+suit on the two lower cards from the remains stack on small screens
21.39.17 #       <pepie34> and with the interupts enable mask we can enable one interupt only to the cop
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21.40.21 #       <linuxstb> pepie34: Yes, but what interrupt, and why?  What's wrong with just setting a function and making the COP run it, which I think is what dan_a is doing.
21.41.00 #       <pepie34> linuxstb may be it is power consuming
21.41.03 #       <pepie34> :)
21.41.22 #       <pepie34> no i just find the interupt thing a good trick
21.41.28 #       <dan_a> pepie34: Not if you do COP_CTL = PROC_SLEEP when you don't need it!
21.42.09 #       <linuxstb> pepie34: It just sounds like a trick without a purpose...
21.42.18 #       <pepie34> linuxstb thank you
21.42.20 #       <pepie34> :)
21.42.35 #       <amiconn> pepie34: arm uses shadow registers for interrupts
21.42.42 #       <Mikachu> couldn't it be used to wake up the cop and gain control over it if the pc was unknown?
21.42.43 #       <amiconn> Dunno whether the pc is one of them
21.43.42 #       <pepie34> linuxstb the ipl put the cop to sleep ?
21.43.50 #       <linuxstb> Isn't it just FIQ mode that has the banked registers?  AFAIK, a normal interrupt just uses the standard registers.
21.43.59 #       <pepie34> how linux put the cop up ?
21.45.01 #       <pepie34> Mikachu,  yes it is what it was intend for
21.45.03 #       <pixelma> dionoea: I try to think of something too... btw. there's also another small graphical glitch: there is no space between 1st and 2nd column, as well as 4th and 5th column
21.45.04 #       <linuxstb> pepie34: Yes, IPL puts the COP to sleep.  I assume it's woken automatically to handle the FIQs, and then sleeps again automatically when the FIQ returns.
21.45.33 #       <pepie34> but i read the linux boot code
21.45.38 #       <linuxstb> (but I haven't looked at IPL's FIQ code in detail - Rockbox uses the main CPU to handle the FIQ).
21.45.45 #       <pepie34> and both proc are running at boot
21.45.45 #       <dionoea> pixelma: yep, i fixed that :)
21.45.50 #       <linuxstb> (I mean IPL's COP code)
21.46.03 #       <dan_a> I'm off out now - having had a data abort trying to run a thread on the COP - back later!
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21.46.13 #       <linuxstb> pepie34: Yes, they're both running at boot, and then the COP puts itself to sleep.
21.46.43 #       <pepie34> by linux boot code i was alking about the actual linux boot not the ipl
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21.47.06 #       <nls> bluebrother, here?
21.47.07 #       * amiconn also encountered data aborts today
21.47.24 #       <linuxstb> pepie34: Yes, I know.
21.47.48 #       <linuxstb> The bootloader wakes the COP up again before running the kernel.
21.47.58 #       <pepie34> ok
21.48.03 #       <bluebrother> nls, yup.
21.48.08 #       <pepie34> that is what i did not understand
21.49.02 #       <pepie34> so ipl can set the PC to (do a jump on) both CPU and COP from the CPU
21.49.30 #       <nls> bluebrother, I saw that the "Manage Settings" menu is under system options in the configure chapter while it's actually in the eop level of the menu... (it's in the right place in the "main menu" chapther tho...)
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21.49.47 #       <linuxstb> No, the way it works is that the COP puts itself to sleep.  But the next instruction the COP executes when it wakes up is to load an address from a memory location, and put that address in the PC.
21.49.59 #       <nls> top level even
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21.50.10 #       <pepie34> :) kool
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21.50.33 #       <pepie34> thanx for the information linuxstb
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21.50.42 #       <bluebrother> correct, that's wrong. Hadn't noted that before.
21.50.48 #       <nls> and I think we should move it  but where?
21.51.57 #       <bluebrother> btw, have you seen the ManualStructureTalk page I've set up in the wiki?
21.52.21 #       <bluebrother> I'm somewhat unhappy with the separation of the configuration in two chapters.
21.52.27 #       <dionoea> pixelma: i might have a solution. I'll commit so you can give it a look
21.52.39 #       <pixelma> nice :)
21.52.49 #       <dionoea> it's a bit ugly ... but who cares ? :)
21.52.51 #       <nls> had a quilck glance but haven't read through it all yet...
21.53.19 #       <nls> I'll post ant comments in the wiki
21.53.23 #       <nls> any
21.53.35 #       <pixelma> dionoea: it cannot be uglier than before, can it? :)
21.53.41 #       <dionoea> i guess not :)
21.53.50 #       <bluebrother> how about moving it to the main menu (where it's already mentioned) but separating the cfg file format out and put that into the advanced topics?
21.54.02 #       <dionoea> if that still doesn't work well ... i'll revert to the old (pre 1.20) layout for small screens
21.54.24 #       <bluebrother> I think we should make the wps section in advanced topics a bit more general ... cover cfg files, themes and (as a subset of that) wps.
21.54.28 #       <dionoea> btw, did you try doing a stack with like 6 unknown + 12 known cards on the last column to see how it looks ?
21.55.30 #       <nls> bluebrother, sounds like good ideas, I had that thought about themes and wps too.
21.56.58 #       <bluebrother> it's a bit the direction I tried to point out in the new structure proposal. Start as easy as possible with increasing difficulty level towards the end of the manual ;-)
21.56.59 #       <pixelma> dionoea:  I didn't count the cards but I had some "longer" columns - there was nothing odd that I would remember
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21.57.13 #       <Febs> bluebrother:  the configuration section was pretty much unworkable as a single chapter.  We ended up with too many sub-sub-sub sections.
21.57.27 #       <nls> :-)
21.57.58 #       <bluebrother> Febs, I know. But I also don't like the current solution. Time to find a better one ;-)
21.58.04 #       <dionoea> pixelma: commit done. You can give it a try :)
21.58.25 #       <amiconn> dionoea: Why not make the cards _a bit_ higher for archos (to fix the 'falling out' graphics)?
21.58.27 #       <bluebrother> But when we do a restructuring so that the basic topics are covered in the first chapters this might become better.
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21.58.36 #       <amiconn> Currently the cards are wider than tall, which looks odd
21.59.08 #       <dionoea> amiconn: well making them higher means that you really won't see much if you have lengthy stacks
22.00.07 #       <amiconn> I don't think it makes a big difference. Only the top card of each stack, and the top row of the screen (the draw stack and the final stacks) will become higher
22.00.21 #       <Febs> bluebrother: I like the proposal to change the chapter names to remove "Configuring Rockbox" from the Sound Settings and General Settings chapters.
22.00.37 #       <dionoea> amiconn: well i'll give it a try if the current solution doesn't look good enough
22.03.08 #       <pepie34> do you have any code to deals with ipod radio remote?
22.03.13 #       <pepie34> I can't find it
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22.03.32 #       <pepie34> and the volume buttons work out of the box
22.03.36 #       <Hansmaulwurf> hi
22.04.59 #       <Hansmaulwurf> just a fast question, should the H120 disc continue spinning in USB mode with rockbox or should it stop spinning after a time not using?
22.05.39 #       <amiconn> H1x0 continuously spins the disk in usb mode
22.05.55 #       <amiconn> This has nothing to do with rockbox, but with how the USB bridge is set up
22.06.08 #       <amiconn> Also happens in retailos
22.06.10 #       <Hansmaulwurf> hm, did this change in the past, i think i remember a time when the dis stopped spining
22.06.22 #       <Hansmaulwurf> ?
22.09.12 #       <nls> bluebrother, I think the proposed new manual structure looks goood. ;-)
22.10.12 #       <bluebrother> damn, opt is quite tricky to get all spaces right.
22.10.57 #       <nls> yep, the % is quite useful but it's kind of unpredictable...
22.12.01 #       <nls> anyway time to sleep, g'night
22.12.03 #       <dionoea> pixelma: ?
22.12.09 #       <bluebrother> i just tried it a different way. Still looking what's the best.
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22.13.51 #       <pixelma> dionoea: just finished (it takes a while for the Ondio)... that doesn't look very well (too crowded)
22.13.51 #       <bluebrother> anyway, bbl.
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22.14.00 #       <dionoea> pixelma: hehe :)
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22.14.40 #       <sharpe> it's great seeing improper grammer in ads. "Who is you favorite designer?"
22.15.06 #       <dionoea> pixelma: the only other solution would be to do like amiconn suggested. But i'm not 100% sure that it'll look better once you've drawn most of the cards
22.15.48 #       <amiconn> dionoea: How many pixels are missing to fix numbers and suits vertically?
22.16.13 #       <amiconn> If you make the cards 14x12 instead of 14x10, they will already be taller than wide on target
22.16.16 #       <dionoea> i'd say like 2 to make it look acceptable, 4 or 5 to make it look good
22.16.26 #       <amiconn> (due to the non-square pixels)
22.18.16 #       <pixelma> I'll try to find something the "graphic way" too, maybe I could suggest something later
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22.20.18 #       <dionoea> http://poy.chewa.net/~dionoea/dump%20060803-221800.png
22.20.26 #       <dionoea> pixelma, amiconn : does this look better ?
22.21.41 #       <amiconn> Hard to say on the PC screen... but there are some graphical glitches in it
22.22.20 #       <pixelma> better than it is now... yes
22.22.33 #       <amiconn> (1) The 4th and 5th column overlap by 1 pixel (one pixel border instead of 2)
22.22.40 #       <barrywardell> just looking at dan_a's latest commit of crt0.S, line 337
22.22.44 #       <dionoea> hum ... the three draw cards overlap the spades stack
22.22.55 #       <barrywardell> it looks a bit like the #ifdef's are mixed up
22.22.56 #       <pixelma> between 1st and 2nd too (still)
22.23.15 #       <dionoea> well that's automaticaly computed at the moment (column spacing)
22.23.24 #       <amiconn> (2) The final stacks are spaced by 1 pixel, but the three draw cards overlap the stack
22.23.42 #       <Bagder> barrywardell: I agree that it looks... wrong
22.24.04 #       <pixelma> dionoea: you could push the final stacks together too
22.24.10 #       <barrywardell> not sure what he intended
22.24.25 #       <dionoea> i'll push the 3 draw cards to the left
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22.28.39 #       <Bagder> barrywardell: I'm afraid your patch to firmware/drivers/ata.c is not good
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22.29.29 #       <barrywardell> i was a bit confused by that file. can you elaborate
22.30.16 #       <Bagder> yes, that file is/can be used by target_tree targets too
22.30.31 #       <Mikachu> isn't it a bit counterproductive to add h10 keybinds everywhere when the action thinger is about to be added?
22.30.34 #       <Bagder> you should rather just make sure it builds for you
22.31.16 #       <Bagder> Mikachu: hm, maybe
22.31.32 #       <Bagder> but "just about to" can be very long at times
22.31.45 #       <barrywardell> just looking at the latest patch i'm updating, and I have that bit in ata.c removed
22.32.11 #       <barrywardell> just depending on the standard PP stuff
22.32.18 #       <Bagder> right
22.32.44 #       <barrywardell> Mikachu: I don't know much about the new action thinger
22.33.03 #       <barrywardell> but made the keybindings to get the sim and plugins to build
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22.34.29 #       <Febs> Bagder: I noticed that memory size for a number of Archos platforms can be selected in configure.  Just out of curiosity, how is that selection handled for the automatic builds?
22.34.56 #       <Bagder> Febs: just like the other selections, the script sets a value
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22.37.05 #       <linuxstb_> Also, isn't some of the H10 code now in target-tree (e.g. ATA and USB) identical to other PP502x targets?
22.37.33 #       <Bagder> yeah, it shouldn't be in target/
22.37.48 #       <pixelma> dionoea, amiconn: what do you think of this: http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/solitaire.bmp <- that's with the current card size and I changed the hearts and diamonds
22.37.50 #       <Bagder> only target-specific adjustments should be there
22.38.29 #       <Mikachu> that sort of looks like standing mahjong tiles
22.38.58 #       <Mikachu> how come only the bottom-most card has a rounded corner?
22.39.43 #       <dionoea> pixelma: i like the hearts/diamonds change ... makes it more readable
22.40.05 #       <dionoea> pixelma: did you like change the card width back to 14 px ?
22.41.15 #       <barrywardell> Bagder: just noticed your new cvs commits there
22.41.32 #       <pixelma> dionoea: sorry I didn't get you?
22.41.39 #       <barrywardell> thanks. makes my life much easier keeping up to date with changes you make
22.41.59 #       <dionoea> well the card width is now 15px so that the suit doesn't touch the card's border
22.42.15 #       <dionoea> which makes it impossible to have 1px between each column
22.43.02 #       <barrywardell> linuxstb_: It is identical to other PP targets, but that stuff was already put into target tree by the iaudio port
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22.43.25 #       <pixelma> dionoea:  card is 15px width (with the border).. I took that of a screenshot
22.43.50 #       <dionoea> well it still looks like before my 2nd commit today (or 1st ... don't remember)
22.43.55 #       <webguest60> hellop anyone who knows how it works with rockbox on a nano?
22.44.29 #       <barrywardell> so I had to either put duplicate code in target or edit the target_tree #ifdefs in ATA.h
22.44.37 #       <barrywardell> i mean ata.c
22.45.01 #       * freqmod has finished a better libogg implementation for speex
22.45.16 #       <pixelma> dionoea: yes - but there are 2 pixels space between suit and numbers... maybe you can save 1 pixel there?
22.45.29 #       * freqmod don't like Tremor's non standard libogg
22.45.38 #       <linuxstb_> I haven't really looked at the target-tree stuff yet, but can't you just create a pp5020 directory for the pp5020-specific stuff, and move the relevant parts of the ipod code there?
22.45.54 #       <linuxstb_> (and then also use them for the h10)?
22.46.28 #       <Bagder> they should probably be in target/arm/
22.46.32 #       <pixelma> dionoea: btw. I actually drew it that way for the "draw 3" part.. :)
22.46.40 #       <dionoea> yeah, i noticed
22.46.43 #       <dionoea> :)
22.46.54 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: _move_ is an important word here, btw
22.47.13 #       <linuxstb_> target/arm/pp5020 ?
22.47.22 #       <barrywardell> Bagder: I had thought about that, but would that mess up non-PP arm stuff?
22.47.28 #       <amiconn> cvs and move don't mix well
22.47.36 #       <barrywardell> maybe target/arm/ata-pp5020.c?
22.47.41 #       <Bagder> possibly, but currently the arm/* dir is named after the company that makes the device, not the one who make chips
22.47.58 #       <Bagder> barrywardell: yes, I like that
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22.48.05 #       <dionoea> pixelma: but that would be too complicated to handle.
22.48.16 #       <dionoea> my last commit should fix it
22.48.18 #       <amiconn> Bagder: It's not (always) named after the company, and imho it would be a better idea to stick with the product line instead of company
22.48.20 #       <webguest60> help with rockbox on a nano anyone?
22.48.28 #       <amiconn> (like it is the case with iaudio)
22.48.38 #       <pixelma> dionoea: didn't think of this :/
22.48.45 #       <Bagder> amiconn: that's hardly the point here
22.49.16 #       <Bagder> because PP is not the name of neither Apple nor ipod
22.49.33 #       <Kolya> Hi there, just installed rockbox on an iriver h300 and the music plays sloooow. What's up with this?
22.49.50 #       <pixelma> dionoea: would it be possible if you would have different bitmaps there?
22.49.58 #       <Kolya> Apart from that it works great and looks even better.
22.50.04 #       <linuxstb_> Where does code like FM tuner drivers, or audio codec drivers which might be used by two completely different targets live?  Will that stay in firmware/drivers/ ?
22.50.14 #       <Bagder> linuxstb: yes
22.50.18 #       <dionoea> pixelma: doesn't the current solution already look good enough ? :) (see my last commit)
22.50.27 #       <Bagder> firmware/drivers is for chip drivers
22.50.31 #       <barrywardell> so stuff that is common to ipod/h10/sansa should go in target/*-pp5020.c?
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22.51.00 #       <pixelma> let me see...
22.51.06 #       <barrywardell> I mean target/arm/*-pp5020.c
22.51.29 #       <linuxstb_> Another complication is the pp5002 - a lot code is the same, but using differnt #defines from pp5002.h/pp5020.h.
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22.51.41 #       <Bagder> barrywardell: *-pp50xx.c then I guess, or perhaps just *-pp.c
22.53.53 #       <Bagder> it also struck me that functions like in i2c-pp5020.c probably shouldn't have ipod_* prefixes...
22.54.25 #       <linuxstb_> No, that should be generic.
22.54.45 #       <Bagder> we should probably have a generic front end so that we can have the same function call
22.55.09 #       <Bagder> not that it is very important
22.55.36 #       <Doomed> can somebody help me with updating source with the CVS
22.55.47 #       <dionoea> pixelma: ok, i'll stop solitaire changes/commits for today :)
22.56.00 #       <dionoea> good night
22.56.17 #       <pixelma> hehe.. ok - thanks and good night :)
22.56.29 #       <Kolya> I found a pitch control but that doesn't help with mp3 files playing at half /speed/. HElp anyone?
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22.57.52 #       <dionoea> pixelma: hum ... my solitaire.c commit didn't make it
22.57.59 #       <dionoea> i'll commit it again i guess
22.58.30 #       <pixelma> I was already wondering...
22.58.43 #       <dionoea> it should be fine now
22.58.54 #       <dionoea> see you tomorrow
22.59.40 #       <barrywardell> most of the stuff in the h10 target tree is just dummy functions taken from the ipod code with the contents of the functions #if 0'ed out
23.00.02 #       <Doomed> where do i get the .cvspass ??
23.00.25 #       <Bagder> barrywardell: yeah, I think this early in the port work a build that links is prio 1, cleaning it up to be nice is prio 2 once functionality actually starts to show
23.00.44 #       <Bagder> Doomed: you "cvs login"
23.00.51 #       <Doomed> ook
23.01.07 #       <barrywardell> ok, so we can probably just leave things are for the moment. even if there is some code duplication
23.01.54 #       <Bagder> sure
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23.03.41 #       <Doomed> then do i cd to where my source is and enter : cvs up -dP ?
23.03.52 #       <Bagder> yes
23.04.07 #       <Doomed> thanks
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23.04.41 #       <Kolya> Sorry people for bothering you but I can't find this in the forums nor in the wiki or google: On a fresh rockbox h30 install the audio plays much too slow. Can someone help me please?
23.04.56 #       <Kolya> h300*
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23.05.25 #       * amiconn spots an odd commit msg
23.06.29 #       <Doomed> looks like H10 is coming along
23.07.25 #       <Febs> Kolya: what type of file are you trying to play?
23.07.39 #       <Kolya> Febs: MP3
23.07.58 #       <Febs> And does this happen with all of your MP3s?
23.08.05 #       <Kolya> yes all of them
23.08.10 #       * barrywardell hopes his H10 gets repaired soon so he can get back to it!
23.08.27 #       <Febs> Have you somehow changed the playback speed setting?
23.08.33 #       * amiconn expects cvs conflicts :(
23.08.51 #       <Kolya> Febs: I wouldn't know. But it's a fresh install
23.08.57 #       <Doomed> barrywardell did u have to pay to get it fixed?
23.09.03 #       <Kolya> It was like that from the start
23.09.36 #       <Kolya> Otherwise the software runs fine
23.09.52 #       <Febs> Try clearing the settings by doing the following:  Turn the player off.  Press Play/On to turn it back on and IMMEDIATELY press the record button until you see the message "Settings Cleared"
23.10.01 #       <barrywardell> Doomed: don't know yet. I got a mail from iriver today saying they had received it and "Our technicians will keenly check and test the device"
23.10.10 #       <Doomed> ah ok
23.10.12 #       <Doomed> gl man
23.10.53 #       <Kolya> Febs: Thanks man, that did the trick. :)
23.11.15 #       <Kolya> I wonder whyt I changed there...
23.11.26 #       <Kolya> what*
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23.12.06 #       <markun> freqmod: don't you like tremor's libogg because it's a bad implementation or just because it's non standard?
23.12.40 #       <Kolya> Well anyway, that's some great piece of software you have written there. Thanks to all involved. :)
23.14.02 #       <freqmod> because it is non standard
23.14.33 #       <linuxstb_> Are you going to try to get Tremor working with your new libogg?
23.14.38 #       <freqmod> and linuxstb wanted a unified libogg library before committing speex
23.14.40 #       <freqmod> yes
23.15.22 #       <freqmod> speex works without a malloc (but it requires one ringbuffer :( )
23.15.42 #       <freqmod> s/speex/ framing in speex/
23.15.54 #       <preglow> doesn't tremor use a libogg2 variant?
23.16.24 #       <preglow> in any case i think the tremor libogg is actually more efficient than the standard one
23.16.39 #       <freqmod> i heard something about that... I don't know if it would be any better to port tremor to use libogg...
23.16.51 #       <freqmod> personally i would think it is just a waste of time
23.16.59 #       <preglow> agreed
23.17.37 #       <freqmod> what does linuxstb_ think?
23.18.02 #       <linuxstb_> I don't feel that strongly about it.
23.18.16 #       <preglow> what would the benefits be?
23.18.39 #       <freqmod> then i wont, we are talking about changing 1500 lines of code + to remove 1000 lines of code
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23.19.16 #       <freqmod> preglow: one less memcopy per data, but a tremor codec totally different from the original code
23.19.43 #       <freqmod> and 1000 lines of codes less in rockbox (if speex uses the same framing.c
23.20.51 #       <preglow> i say forget it for now
23.21.01 #       <preglow> they're gonna roll out libogg2 after a while anyway
23.21.11 #       <preglow> in which case it'll need to be done again
23.21.19 #       <preglow> it's supposed to be better suited for embedded work
23.21.55 #       * freqmod wonders if libogg2 supports whole raw packet contents linearly in memory
23.23.33 #       <freqmod> Then, back to the reason for the libogg reimplementation, what needs to be done to make speex considerable for cvs?
23.24.07 #       <preglow> does it crash anymore?
23.24.14 #       <preglow> what about seeking?
23.24.34 #       <freqmod> no, not as far as i know, and i have been using it a lot to play audiobooks
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23.26.47 #       <Alladin> anyone who is able to help me with the installation?
23.27.13 #       <markun> Alladin: which player?
23.27.24 #       <Alladin> nano
23.27.56 #       <markun> Did you try the installation howto in the wiki?
23.28.32 #       <freqmod> works, but takes some time. Does not work on files <1min.
23.28.45 #       <preglow> freqmod: why not?
23.28.53 #       <preglow> freqmod: also, didn't it have gcc 4 issues?
23.29.10 #       <freqmod> yes, but that was a problem with passing a variable to sqrt for sterio
23.29.43 #       <preglow> are there many stereo speex files around? :>
23.29.53 #       <Alladin> i just wonder how to do with the bootloader because i have installed already installed the "loader2" which makes me choose between ipodlinux and apple´s original os
23.30.31 #       <Alladin> it shall also be able to choose rockbox if installed...
23.30.45 #       <freqmod> sterio still does not work quite right, but i have made a table for the most important cases, and a intSqrt function wich is farly accurate (but not enough for perfect playback)
23.31.07 #       <dan_a> Alladin: I think if you have a "rockbox.ipod" file in your iPod then the loader2 will be able to boot it
23.32.12 #       <freqmod> My loader.conf, works with rockbox.ipod, however i have a farly new ipodloader 2 (cvs) http://pastebin.ca/114022
23.32.27 #       <Alladin> dan_a: so i just skip the bootloader part of the installation and juast runs the .exe file?
23.32.50 #       <freqmod> just download a .zip file and place it in the root directory of your ipod
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23.33.15 #       <dan_a> Alladin: What freqmod said.  But unzip it first!  And get the fonts too
23.34.03 #       <freqmod> speex stereo are perfectly listenable. (and as jmspeex said stereo voice is not really much help)
23.34.11 #       <preglow> heh, no
23.34.23 #       <preglow> freqmod: but anyway, i'm quite eager to commit it, and will look at it when i get time
23.34.30 #       <preglow> which might be some time after the weekend
23.34.45 #       <Mikachu> could be helpful if it's a dialog and the voice have their own channel maybe
23.34.48 #       <Alladin> ahaa. and what about the rockbox.ipod-file?
23.35.25 #       <freqmod> I will make another patch (hopefully tomorrow) to import the new framing code, if it works when i listen to some audiobooks.
23.35.53 #       <freqmod> however it is not tested on any players except ipods
23.36.00 #       <preglow> freqmod: has it been tested on something other than ipod?
23.36.03 #       <preglow> ah, right
23.36.08 #       <preglow> i can test it on coldfire
23.36.23 #       <freqmod> good, would probably be quite slow
23.36.25 #       <dan_a> Alladin: That goes in the top directory of the Nano
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23.36.32 #       <freqmod> btw. is coldfire big edian?
23.36.39 #       <Mikachu> dan_a, Alladin: you can put it in .rockbox too if you want
23.37.04 #       <Bagder> freqmod: yes
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23.37.50 #       <freqmod> good, because I haven't looked for edian problems :S
23.38.18 #       <amiconn> Then there probably will be some
23.38.22 #       <amiconn> arm is little endian
23.38.28 #       <freqmod> yes i know
23.39.15 #       <freqmod> does anybody know a way to test for edian problems on a x86?
23.40.47 #       <Alladin> im sorry but im not so good at these things but here is what i deal with: I hve installed the loader2, downloaded the rockbox installer.exe and what im a bit worried for is if i just runs the installer the loader2 will not be able to boot rockbox... puuh
23.41.49 #       <freqmod> alladin: download: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/rockbox-ipodnano-20060803.zip and unzip that in the ipod root folder (d:\ or whatever)
23.42.25 #       <freqmod> you'll need this too: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20060803.zip
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23.45.31 #       <Alladin> ok.. now the first zip fil is on the nano
23.45.40 #       <freqmod> unzipped?
23.46.12 #       <Alladin> yess
23.46.14 #       <Alladin> :-)
23.46.28 #       <freqmod> the second should be unzipped the same way
23.47.07 #       <Doomed> ermm im getting a error when i try to make , about lang files
23.47.20 #       <secleinteer> hey, is there any way to move the scroll bar to the right side of the screen?
23.47.37 #       <Bagder> Doomed: have patches applied?
23.47.44 #       <Doomed> yeah
23.47.58 #       <Bagder> then I blame them
23.48.02 #       <Doomed> lol
23.48.57 #       <Doomed> *starts over
23.48.58 #       <Alladin> ok now im done!
23.49.09 #       <secleinteer> is there any way to move the scroll bar to the right side of the screen?
23.49.16 #       <Doomed> in?
23.49.27 #       <secleinteer> song list
23.49.44 #       <Doomed> would that depend on the theme, thats what im thinking but dont take my answer
23.49.46 #       <Alladin> freqmod: do you think the loader will recognice rockbox automatically?
23.49.59 #       <secleinteer> k thx
23.50.45 #       <freqmod> i think so, you could try (and when you do, check your version of loader2)
23.51.19 #       <Alladin> its 2.4
23.51.24 #       * freqmod does not like the data abort the new framing library gives on ipod
23.51.38 #       <freqmod> and rockbox does not appear?
23.52.03 #       <Alladin> i shall try...
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23.54.24 #       <preglow> think i'll call it a night
23.54.29 #       <preglow> gnight
23.54.32 #       <Doomed> gn
23.54.56 #       <freqmod> gnight (good idea
23.55.40 #       <Doomed> ermm how do u no the version of the loader
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23.56.19 #       <freqmod> it is written at the top of the screen when you boot
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23.58.37 #       <Doomed> for all versions of RB?
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23.58.50 #       <freqmod> no the loader2 loader from ipodlinux