--- Log for 05.08.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 18 hours ago 00.01.55 Quit obo ("bye") 00.02.15 # let's talk about something else: is there interest for a patch to fix image loading on 64 bit simulator hosts? 00.02.20 # saturday, time for bugs and patches mails 00.02.55 # Only 104 open bugs - and 110 people in this channel... 00.03.14 # i could fill it as a bug ;) then wi'll get 105 open bugs 00.03.42 # file the patch instead 00.04.03 # Feels odd that an ipod bug is the third-oldest... 00.04.17 # the only problem is that it uses the unix header stdint.h to get (u)int(16|32)_t 00.04.45 # What about inttypes.h ? 00.05.17 # where is that /fimware/export/? 00.05.45 # found it 00.06.24 # I created that patch some hours ago, maybe someone wants to have a look at it? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5770 00.07.17 # that's not the same 00.07.43 # bluebrother: Yes, I saw that. m3u8 seems a bit of a pointless extension though... 00.08.09 # <{edf}ss> hymn only works with itunes up to version 5.01 00.08.14 # yeah, maybe. I thought I just add it for the sake of completeness. 00.08.27 # at least it doesn't hurt (imo) 00.09.28 # Also, why does a utf8 file need a BOM? 00.10.04 # while(!morning) sleep(); 00.10.40 # linuxstb, it doesn't need it, but some editors tend to add one. So we should be able of handling it. 00.10.53 # Bagder: Hope you don't wake up every second to check if it's morning... 00.11.16 # I just found skip_utf8_bom(char*) in gwps-common.c 00.11.47 # <{edf}ss> nudelyn pics plz 00.14.48 # Patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5771 00.16.40 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.16.43 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Main@wirelessdata-031-031.mycingular.net) 00.17.11 # Cellphones do not make ideal modems. 00.17.34 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 00.17.49 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-155-216.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.17.54 Join netmasta10bt [0] (n=torment@pool-72-64-144-248.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 00.24.38 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC") 00.26.01 Quit freqmod ("Konversation terminated!") 00.27.14 # <^jhMikeS^> I asked this earlier but noone here at the time said they knew: Why do a while(1) sleep() at poweroff instead of asm("halt") for the x5? There doesn't seem any point to giving up control in power_off() that I currently know about. 00.29.28 # <^jhMikeS^> I mean yield() not sleep() 00.33.54 Join gwylion [0] (n=de9b941e@labb.contactor.se) 00.34.32 # Hello... 00.34.56 # I need a hand, and was wondering whether anybody could help me. 00.35.32 # Go ahead and ask whatever question you may have. If those around can help, they often will 00.36.03 # Sorry, I think I might have just found the answer... :) I'm trying to install Rockbox on my iRiver H320, from a Mac. 00.36.36 Part Paul_The_Nerd 00.36.47 Quit bluebrother ("'night!") 00.37.20 # The Rockbox site didn't seem to have much info on it... I downloaded the source code file. I compiled scramble, descramble and mkboot 00.37.35 # I descrambled the hex file to a bin file successfully. 00.38.02 # But when I tried to patch it using mkboot, I got an error: rockbox-2.5/tools/mkboot H300.bin bootloader-h300.bin new.bin => Bus error 00.38.35 # Any ideas? 00.38.39 # Ah - don't use the rockbox-2.5 source - that's extremely old. Get the latest source - either the daily build or cvs build. 00.39.58 # Aaah! Thank you! :) I'll try again. 00.40.17 # BRB. 00.41.50 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 00.42.01 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@85-210-30-167.dsl.pipex.com) 00.42.25 Quit {edf}ss (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.44.16 # ^jhMikeS^: I'm afraid I've got no idea either... But I can tell you that on the ipods, that code is never reached - the pcf50605_standby_mode() shuts the ipod down and never returns. 00.49.12 # Brilliant. Thanks linuxstb. mkboot works now. :) 00.51.10 # And I've scrambled it successfully, ending up with the right checksum. Thanks again! 01.04.58 # All installed... Now I've just got to learn how to use it. 01.04.59 # :) 01.05.07 # Bye. 01.05.19 Quit gwylion ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 01.05.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.07.20 Join falconfox [0] (i=falconfo@c-67-165-155-168.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.07.49 # is there a way to make the scroll-wheel go faster for the ipod color, it takes forever to get to the bottom of the alphabet 01.08.58 # There's a patch in the patch tracker which tries to implement that. Some of the ipod experimental builds available in the forums include that patch if you don't want to compile Rockbox yourself. 01.09.41 # ok cool 01.10.04 # do you konw what the patch is called? 01.11.27 # No, but a search for "scroll" or "scrollwheel" or "clickwheel" should find it. 01.11.41 # alright, i found it 01.14.13 Quit mkey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.14.28 # bah, I want a 6gb sandisk sansa e250;P 01.14.51 Join mkey [0] (n=mkey@pD9E36BA1.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.15.02 # at 6gb flashplayers are starting to get usable 01.15.08 # thats the e270 :P 01.16.32 # i hear they've got a 2gb microSD out now too 01.16.43 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-142-188-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 01.16.54 # i want to plug in a 200GB usb hard drive to my nano 01.19.21 # You're not the first... 01.20.53 Join meshuga [0] (i=meshuga@c-71-231-141-145.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 01.21.13 # so i'm trying to put rockbox on my 3g ipod. I had an archos before, and love it. I've copied it over, and now my screen is white 01.21.18 # the bootlaoder booted fine 01.21.23 # it looked good, then went white 01.21.32 # if i hold it at a tilt, i can barely see rockbox 01.21.35 # no buttons do anything 01.21.36 # any ideas? 01.22.16 # i used linux to put it on 01.22.19 # i'll try it in windows 01.22.43 # Linux should work fine... 01.23.04 # work fine for what? 01.23.10 # oh, to load it? nope. 01.23.10 # Installing Rockbox. 01.23.22 # it gave me the error above :( 01.23.27 # any ideas? 01.23.31 # your deduction seems a bit strange 01.23.41 # my deduction? 01.23.50 # blaming linux 01.23.50 # i didnt make any judgements. i just followed directions. 01.23.55 # i didnt blame linux. 01.24.13 # i never said linux caused the fault, i just figured i'd try windows. 01.24.21 # do you guys have any other ideas? 01.24.26 # stock is fine. 01.24.37 # ipodlinux didnt work either, so it could be the ipod (i got it for free) 01.24.39 # it's more of a pain-in-the-arse to do it on windows than in linux. 01.24.41 # You haven't given us much to go on.... Which bootloader did you download and install? 01.24.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux 01.24.56 # followed these instructions 01.25.06 # i used bootloader-3g.bin 01.25.15 # dunno which one that is.. 01.25.38 # and yes, i have a 3g. i know cuz there is buttons in the middle, instead of just the wheel (very easy indicator) 01.25.50 # It's definitely not a 1g or 2g? 01.26.19 # There's only one developer with a 3g, and he's not around at the moment... 01.26.21 # oh, i dunno actually 01.26.28 # i just went off the pics on rockbox.. 01.26.32 # http://www.rockbox.org/download/ 01.26.39 # only one thats similar is a 3g 01.27.02 # but 1g and 2g aren't represented 01.27.15 # is the process different for those models? 01.27.20 # So it has four buttons in a line under the LCD? 01.27.28 # yessir 01.27.38 # Then that's a 3g. 01.28.16 # Can you see any messages from the bootloader when it boots? 01.28.40 # yes, the bootloader doesnt have any errors 01.28.53 # But the messages are displayed clearly? 01.29.09 # yup 01.29.14 # and then i see rockbox logo fine 01.29.23 # then it like leaves backlight on as strong as possible 01.29.26 # so its hard as hell to see shit 01.29.48 # Then it would seem the bootloader is installed fine. The rockbox logo means that Rockbox itself has been started, so that part is working as well. 01.30.23 Quit falconfox () 01.30.28 Part pixelma 01.31.06 # All I can suggest is coming back tomorrow and see if dan_a is around - he's our only 3g developer. 01.31.32 # But it doesn't seem to be an installation issue - just Rockbox not working on your ipod for some reason. 01.31.39 Quit mkey (""Welcome to IRC; Where men are men, women are men and little girls are FBI agents!"") 01.31.48 # yea it actually comes up 01.31.52 # but the backlight is just on full blast 01.32.14 # so i have to look at it at an angle 01.32.28 # but it appears correctly if you look at an angle? 01.32.38 # Have you looked to see if there is a setting to reduce the brightness? (I've no idea if there is one) 01.32.39 # you just need to know how to change the contrast?? 01.32.40 # yup 01.32.47 # linuxstb: i'm trying to find it 01.32.49 # yes pls 01.32.55 # its hard to find when looking at an angle :) 01.33.09 # oh, but your buttons don't work you said. 01.33.13 # bummer. 01.33.14 # nope my buttons work now 01.33.17 # it finally came up 01.33.18 # oh 01.33.21 # took like 3 reboots 01.33.30 # then look through settings 01.33.35 # (the LCD category I believe) 01.33.35 # and it finally moved past the rockbox logo. the odd part is, the first logo on bootup and the bootloader looks great 01.33.37 # i would guess display->lcd 01.33.41 # heh i cant read the settings very well 01.33.55 # get glasses? 01.34.01 # try booting with the hold switch on, maybe rockbox decided there were saved settings? 01.34.05 # wooot it was constrat! 01.34.10 # never mind then 01.34.22 # BHSPitLappy: heh dude, its cuz the constrat by default is totally off 01.34.26 # my vision has 0 to do with it :) 01.34.42 # constrast was like 30 01.35.03 # now its at 48 and i can read txt now, yay 01.37.05 # bagder: still around? 01.37.32 # so does everything else work fine, music, etc, meshuga 01.37.44 # netmasta10bt: He said goodnight about 90 minutes ago. 01.37.50 # k -- thx 01.38.44 Quit spiorf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.40.15 # well, the wheel is like insanely less sensitive in rockbox as apple firmware 01.40.19 # is there something is adjust for that? 01.40.30 # I believe so. 01.40.34 # sweet 01.40.53 # like when i rotate my finger, it moves one line, at the most. 01.42.19 # nite;) 01.42.20 Quit Bger ("Leaving") 01.44.15 # ne1 know of a good hexeditor for linux 01.44.49 # hrm i dont see any wheel options to adjust for sensivity 01.44.56 # netmasta10bt: Do you need to edit, or just view? 01.45.04 # edit 01.45.16 # Then no... But please let me know if you find one. 01.45.21 # i've used shed before 01.45.39 # linuxstb: i have one from my dos dayz called zipzap .. i use it under dosbox 01.45.52 # in dos i used debug :) 01.46.07 # shed is ok 01.46.14 # debug :-P 01.46.16 # there was a really good hex editor but i forgot what it was 01.47.40 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.49.31 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 01.49.55 # netmasta10bt: try khexedit 01.50.09 # i dont have X on this box though :( 01.50.09 # hedex 01.50.12 # hexed 01.50.15 # thats what i used to use 01.50.23 # is it curses? 01.50.28 # linux.maruhn.com/sec/hexed.html 01.50.35 # yea so is shed 01.50.38 # well, khexedit is a no go then :P 01.50.51 # gettin shed now... i'll give it a whirl 01.50.55 # so the wheel is definitely waaay less sensitive as ipod firmware 01.51.16 # theres no ui setting? 01.51.19 Quit daurn|afk (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.51.36 # i couldnt find anything related to it 01.52.34 Join Nibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-252.dynamic.qsc.de) 01.52.49 # meshuga: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5377 01.54.05 # hrm thats a v4 patch and i got a v3 01.54.09 # i wonder if it'll apply 01.54.50 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.55.49 Join Nibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-252.dynamic.qsc.de) 01.56.08 # meshuga: looks like it works w/3g or 4g 01.56.46 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 02.01.01 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-142-188-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 02.02.48 # <^jhMikeS^> linuxstb: Sorry wasn't here earlier but caught it in the buffer. Thanks. 02.03.23 # <^jhMikeS^> BTW: It works just fine with a simple halt. 02.09.27 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 02.10.47 # sweet i'll download the src and recompile :) 02.11.20 Quit secleinteer () 02.11.55 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.12.07 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.151.69) 02.13.08 Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.13.27 Join scott666 [0] (n=scott666@c-71-195-12-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.13.32 Part scott666 02.13.37 # vhce looks like a decent curses hexeditor http://www.grigna.com/diego/linux/vche/ 02.14.12 # keys dont seem to work quite right under putty/ssh though 02.14.51 # does it stream the file or try to load it into ram? 02.14.56 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d02v-89-83-242-50.d4.club-internet.fr) 02.15.11 Join infamis [0] (n=4b039841@labb.contactor.se) 02.15.17 # not sure 02.15.17 # do i just plug my ipod in running rockbox and it should come up as a usb mass stroage device right? 02.15.27 # or do i have to use the ipod firmware and disc mode? 02.15.29 # editing a 2GB file in the latter type of hexeditors is not fun :) 02.15.50 # Mikachu: i bet, luckily this is only 356k 02.18.01 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-164.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 02.19.13 # meshuga: I don't think the 3g port detects a USB connection - so you have to manually reboot to disk mode. 02.20.51 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.21.58 Join Nibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-252.dynamic.qsc.de) 02.22.21 # oh ok, no biggie 02.22.34 # i'm just used to how rockbox worked circa 2002 when i used it on my archos :) 02.26.14 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 02.26.22 # Well, the 3g port is only a few weeks old... 02.26.36 # ohh really? i didn't realize 02.26.51 # sometimes when it reboots it stay at the 'logo' screen for awhile too 02.26.58 # should i submit some bug reports? 02.27.00 # or just wait it out 02.27.02 # Well, audio playback started working a few weeks ago. Other ipods got sound in about January this year. 02.28.15 # meshuga: Maybe talk to dan_a about them first. 02.29.45 # i'll definitely try to remember to bug him about it 02.39.33 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.8.152) 02.40.16 # hi 02.40.42 Join cowmilk2 [0] (n=ubunt2+x@S0106000f66308462.vf.shawcable.net) 02.40.59 # doesn't rockbox mean that my iPod's battery will be drained more quickly-er? 02.41.34 Quit nudelyn ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 02.41.38 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-86-157.dslaccess.co.uk) 02.42.03 # yes, it will use a bit more battery 02.42.35 # But it's worth it... 02.43.23 # "a bit" only? 02.43.49 # you see, i've got a _few_ ogg audio and wma audio that i'd like to listen to 02.43.58 # Some test results are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime 02.44.06 # Rockbox doesn't support wma yet. 02.44.50 # so what should i do to get to listen to wma on my iPod? 02.45.02 # Convert them to another format. 02.45.05 # or give someone here a lot of money 02.45.40 # Someone (not here) is working on a wma codec for Rockbox, but no-one has any idea if/when that will be working. 02.47.18 # anyone else working on e200 02.47.42 # I don't think so. 02.47.55 # (just Bagder and the mysterious MrH) 02.48.00 # heh 02.48.18 # well it appears that the 'BL' that is built isn't really a BL but a firmware the way we are loading it 02.48.30 # Yes - we know that. 02.48.44 # oh ok, i guess the terminology threw me off 02.48.58 # wish i new that a bit ago :) 02.49.18 # It's how Rockbox works on a lot of targets - the original firmware's bootloader loads the Rockbox bootloader (thinking the Rockbox bootloader is the original firmware), and then the Rockbox bootloader will load either Rockbox or the OF. 02.49.33 # ahhh 02.50.22 # ok, cuz bagder mentioned a bit ago today that after i load a new PP5022.mi4 to recover i might have to reload the original BL -- but that is not the case 02.50.41 # the BL does not get touched 02.51.15 # I don't know the details on the Sansa. 02.51.28 # well u knew more than me :) 02.51.49 # We're just looking at it from different directions. 02.52.49 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.54.20 # OT: Is your Son a Hacker? http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html (pretty funny) 02.56.09 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host68-143.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 03.05.19 Join ShadowdogMU [0] (n=Brock@cpe-65-28-252-205.woh.res.rr.com) 03.05.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.10.24 # ohh 192kb skips occasionally on the 3g 03.10.48 # anyone else notice that? 03.11.33 # man, this makes me wanna buy a nano. 03.13.54 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 03.15.44 # Why? 03.15.53 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 03.15.59 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host68-143.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 03.16.05 # I have skipping on my 5G while listening and looking for a new song 03.16.32 Nick excitatory_ is now known as excitatory (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-13-227.wi.res.rr.com) 03.17.10 # i have no skipping, yay me 03.17.52 Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.18.03 # iPod? 03.18.30 # yeah, i made the decoded audio buffer bigger than the file buffer, i have a nano so there is no disk to spin up 03.18.48 # i would have to scroll through lists like crazy for 20 seconds to make it skip 03.18.57 # Impressive 03.19.11 # So why does it skip on Rockbox but now default? 03.19.13 # not on* 03.19.42 # well, apple knows exactly how it works, we have to guess 03.19.50 # and the rockbox code isn't very optimized for ipods yet 03.19.58 # and also, the ipod has two cpus but rockbox only uses one 03.20.05 # o.O 03.20.15 # That's not fun, plans to utilize both in the works? 03.20.28 # dan_a is working on it 03.21.23 # Good to know 03.21.41 # So in the end, will Rockbox be optimized to make use of battery life more efficiently? 03.21.53 # yeah, i hope so at least :) 03.22.09 # I really hope someone adds video support 03.22.23 # Video Support, and optimized battery life and I would be happy 03.22.33 # the video hardware is even less publically documented 03.23.02 # Great, that basically means less change of it working with Rockbox, eh? 03.23.08 # yes 03.23.09 # chance*, can't type tonight 03.23.52 # Ok, I lied, I want accessory support as well, because I am pretty sure switch firmwares often can't be great on my battery life 03.25.14 # ShadowdogMU: well, perhiprial support depends on an undocumented protocol, so until someone figures it out, we're pretty much in the dark about it... 03.26.46 # figures, after my iTrip comes in, I'll have to see what is more versatile, running Rockbox or Apple primarily 03.27.11 # it might be best for me to run Apple all the time, and switch to Rockbox when I want the "ohh ahh" factor, games, and a new look 03.27.20 # haven't had time to play around with the Rockbox EQ though 03.27.42 # you can always just get an fm transmitter that isn't dependant on an ipod... 03.28.00 # or get a car radio with line-in 03.28.03 # I try not to use any though, more work on the processor = less battery life and in Rockbox's case, probably more skipping 03.28.04 # indeed. 03.28.16 # too late, already bought my iTrip 03.28.27 # just went to the store, but they didn't have it in white, figures, so they are shipping it to me 03.28.30 # eh. not too late to sell it. :) 03.29.10 # heh. 03.29.30 # i actually need to get new earbuds... 03.29.44 # * ShadowdogMU has 2 pair of iPod headphones 03.29.46 # just get a sharpe with linein 03.30.02 # yep. i work just as well. 03.30.52 # So I've wondered this, if you go into iPod diagnostics mode, it tests "Line in", is there hidden stuff to enable recording maybe, even with accessories? 03.31.28 # what do you mean? 03.31.49 # ShadowdogMU: linuxstb recently got some basic recording working on 5g i think, via the headphone contact 03.31.59 # (in rockbox) 03.32.10 # Mikachu: i thought he had it with the line-in on his dock... 03.32.26 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 03.32.30 # was the 4g via the contact then? 03.32.39 # i don't remember the 4g. 03.32.56 # i remember it was via the contact on at least one model 03.33.09 # may have been the 4g then... 03.33.11 # define contact 03.33.16 # headphone jack. 03.33.27 # nothing else required? 03.33.32 # nope. 03.33.35 # Wow. 03.33.35 # no, he could even record via the headphones 03.33.51 # How would that work? plug in a mic there? 03.33.53 # but not 100% sure it was on 5g now 03.34.14 # still, I consider it amazing 03.34.25 # well, it's only a matter of a microphone-like device being connected, speakers would work, since they are essentially the same thing... but they wouldn't work as well. 03.34.38 # s/speakers/headphones 03.35.20 # Really, you can record through speakers? 03.35.39 # yeah... same principle as a microphone. 03.35.51 # impressive 03.36.02 # computer speakers usually don't work since they have builtin amplifiers and stuff 03.36.12 # well, it's always been like that as long as we've had magnets and wire... 03.38.25 # well, for speakers, ones without an external power source would be the best bet to work... :) 03.40.10 # eh. i spelt peripheral wrong. 03.40.35 # when did you say peripheral? 03.40.50 # ShadowdogMU: well, perhiprial support depends on an undocumented protocol, so until someone figures it out, we're pretty much in the dark about it... 03.41.16 # that was indeed wrong 03.41.20 # yep. 03.41.35 Join daurnimator [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 03.41.44 # it's why i corrected myself. 03.42.07 # i think you would have got away with it though 03.42.26 # yep. i'm a quick one like that. 03.43.03 # is there a tiny speaking in the ipod, how else does it make a "click"? 03.43.06 # has totally nothing to do with it though. i'm subtle. 03.43.29 # ShadowdogMU: yes 03.43.30 # it has a piezoelectric speaker... 03.43.36 # you can make it beep too 03.43.51 # i made an awesome plugin that beeps with a frequency that depends on where you have your finger on the wheel 03.43.56 # I've got it to beep 03.44.00 # you can play twinkle twinkle little star 03.44.07 # lol 03.44.24 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.44.24 # but i didn't bother fixing it to pure tones so it's pretty hard 03.45.12 # Mikachu: design a music format and then just have your plugin as a viewer... insta-fame! :) 03.45.56 # how would a plugin that requires a finger be able to read a music format? 03.46.15 # i mean, forget the scroll wheel position... 03.46.21 # ah 03.46.27 # heh 03.49.41 # you know what angers me? 03.49.43 # people that do this: 03.49.45 # Ipod 03.49.47 # IPod 03.49.49 # IPOD 03.49.50 # iPOD 03.49.57 # it's iPod. 03.50.00 # you know what? i don't care how you spell it 03.50.03 # Just thought I would let my anger out. 03.50.13 # is it okay if i call it ayepod? 03.50.18 # eye-pod. 03.50.29 # wait, better yet, eye-pawd. :) 03.50.37 # EyE-PAWD 03.50.48 # the capitalization is apparently important 03.51.07 # not if you see everything in lowercase. 03.51.47 # how much ram does the 30gb 5g have? 03.51.51 # 32mb. 03.52.02 # 60? 03.52.04 # 64mb. 03.52.09 # 120? 03.52.13 # -1. 03.52.16 # nifty, always wondered 03.52.29 # but rockbox only uses 32 in either case i think 03.52.51 # although, there is a patch to utilize all 64mb on the 60gigs... 03.52.55 # I just had an idea, iLinux can play video on the nanos right? 03.53.08 # iLinux...? 03.53.18 # Linux for your iPod 03.53.21 # last i heard it was ipodlinux... 03.53.24 # that angers me, it's lInux 03.53.34 # Is it really? 03.53.43 # no, it's iPodLinux 03.53.57 # Well yes, but it can play videos 03.54.02 # try asking in #ipodlinux if it's ilinux or ipodlinux... :-D 03.54.14 # and not just mpeg4 and h.264 or w/e it is 03.54.20 # so it is possible for Rockbox to 03.54.23 # or maybe 03.54.26 # I dunno 03.55.12 Quit nudelyn ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 03.55.24 # i thought that only uncompressed avi's worked for them... 03.55.42 # only MPEG-4 and H.264 03.56.02 # that's what the ipod natively supports... 03.56.10 # i highly doubt they can play mpeg-4 and h264 in realtime 03.56.11 # Yes 03.56.27 # i don't think they've figured out how to use the broadcom chip... have they? 03.56.37 # the nano doesn't have a broadcom chip 03.56.47 # gah, i'm thinking about 5gs. 03.57.12 # H.264 video: up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats 03.57.12 # MPEG-4 video: up to 2.5 mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats 03.57.18 # http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html 03.57.25 # ... 03.57.31 # notice how your url says apple.com 03.57.35 # yes... 03.57.40 # not ipodlinux.org 03.57.41 # Yes... 03.57.46 Part cowmilk2 03.58.01 # I thought that is what you were talking about? 03.58.54 # as far as i know, (whatever app it is that plays videos) only can do uncompressed avi's... 03.59.00 # in ipodlinux. 04.00.53 # so uhm, what was the name of that commercial arm disassembler that everyone likes 04.01.01 # ida pro? 04.01.05 # yar thx 04.01.08 # :) 04.02.27 Join arow [0] (n=arow@arow.broekut.nl) 04.02.59 Quit meshuga (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.03.10 Join meshuga [0] (i=meshuga@c-71-231-139-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.03.23 # hey 04.03.32 # hello 04.04.00 # my ipod crashes when i load an AAC file (mp4) 04.04.05 # i have an ipod nano 04.04.10 # no EQ 04.04.36 # is that the format you purchase music off of itunes in...? i can't remember... 04.04.49 # Volume of original firmware(iriver) what Rockbox's volume with what same? 04.05.11 # its the format used by itunes 04.05.28 # arow: did you purchase it off of itunes? 04.05.33 # nope 04.05.36 # i converted it 04.05.39 # ah. good. 04.05.45 # (with itunes) 04.05.46 Join cowmilk2 [0] (n=ubunt2+x@S0106000f66308462.vf.shawcable.net) 04.05.58 # don't know? 04.06.12 # i don't understand 04.06.15 # so if i install rockbox on my iPod, i can easily switch back and forth between rockbox and the iPod default software? 04.06.21 # Jungti1234: i have no idea. 04.06.22 # Rockbox is -84 ~ 0 db, iriver is 0 ~ 40 04.06.28 # cowmilk2: yes. 04.06.42 # lol! ida pro demo warnings: it will not disassemble itself. 04.06.47 # damn! 04.06.51 # arow: sorry, i'm not really able to help you... 04.06.58 # sharpe: cool, coz i plan on using rockbox only to play audio formats that iPod can't handle, such as OGG audio. 04.07.10 # thanx anyway 04.07.10 # go for it then... 04.07.11 # how much space on my iPod does Rockbox take up 04.07.28 # including plugins and such? 04.07.32 # any thing i should know before i install rocxbox on my iPod 04.07.40 # what plugins do i need? 04.07.42 # and necessary codecs... 04.07.45 # what plugins are there 04.07.47 # ? 04.07.47 # technically none. 04.08.08 # codecs? i need codecs, don't i? 04.08.18 Join meshuga_ [0] (i=meshuga@c-71-231-141-145.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.08.19 # they come with rockbox. 04.08.38 # cowmilk2, take a look at the manual, it will give you an excellent overview of what Rockbox can do. 04.08.39 # What is the iPod's default volume range? 04.08.49 # i really like the rockbox software! 04.08.56 # ShadowdogMU, what do you mean "default"? 04.08.56 # codecs come with rocxbox? so there's no way of separetng rocxbox from its codecs 04.09.04 # nor would i want to separate the 2, right? 04.09.07 # ShadowdogMU: the left of the screen, to the right of the screen. :) 04.09.13 # Default as in Apple's Firmware 04.09.19 # I meant in terms of dB :P 04.09.33 # cowmilk2: you really don't need to worry about the size of rockbox... 04.09.36 # what do you guys think of the other software... linuxpod or something like that 04.09.52 # or ipodlinux... i forgot the name 04.10.06 # I don't believe that the Apple fw uses a dB scale for volume. 04.10.08 # ipodlinux is correct 04.10.14 # Febs: it uses a blue bar 04.10.28 # Well I know they don't, but hasn't someone at least estimated it? 04.10.31 # Mikachu: like i said, left of the screen, to the right of the screen. 04.10.34 # ShadowdogMU: how does ipodlinux compare with rockbox? can ipodlinux play wma files? 04.10.44 # cowmilk2 haven't used it 04.10.58 # cowmilk2: #ipodlinux 04.11.06 # cowmilk2: dude, calm down. rockbox works out of the box, and you'll love it. at best, you'll want themes. 04.11.23 # Themes, oh yes: http://www.brockarthur.com/zupload/dump%20060804-121832.bmp 04.11.37 # i use it on my nano with zero problems. plays everything flawlessly. 04.12.11 # excitatory: i think i'll love it. 04.12.20 # cowmilk2, you will. 04.12.24 # excitatory: the only complaint that i have (as of yet) is the battery life. 04.12.53 # Yes, but remember the iPod rockbox has a bit of ways to go 04.13.04 # apple says 14 hours for default apple software. while rockbox page shows about 7 hours for my 5g iPod 04.13.14 # I believe it just recently got sound 04.13.27 # cowmilk2, Apple has gotten sued over inaccurate battery life ratings 04.13.30 # hm 04.13.41 # yea, on my nano, i listen to it all day at work. probably get a solid 6-8 hours of constant play, with the occasional playlist modification here and there.. and a brief shutdown for lunch. 04.13.45 # ShadowdogMU: but is there any validity to the suing? 04.13.57 # You may get 14 hours if you have 1 playlist, no backlight, and you hit play once and that is it, volume at it's lowest 04.13.58 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-248-16-185.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 04.14.42 # so if i don't touch the volume control, yet replace the white iPod earPhones with some headphones, battery will be drained more quickly? 04.14.51 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 04.14.57 # yea, volume is key i found.. i plug mine into a tape adaptor, and so my volume is generally cranked. 04.15.43 # Album art is projected to be added to Fireworks, but it works now doesn't it? 04.16.12 Quit ^jhMikeS^ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.16.13 # i understand that rockbox is still in its baby stage and is still growing up. but if i understand the nature of rockbox correctly, rockbox will never come close to the battery life usage as that of default Apple software, yes? 04.16.37 # cowmilk2: no, untrue.. it's basically on par with the apple firmware in my tests 04.16.46 # And this is because, I understand, rockbox is playing from the hardware, as opposed to the apple software playing from ____ (somewhere else). 04.16.54 # excitatory: is that right? 04.16.55 # cool 04.17.09 # but i never got more than 8 hours with the apple firmware 04.17.19 # and this was the first week i owned the thing. 04.17.59 # excitatory: you have a 30 gig 5th get? 04.18.01 # gen? 04.18.11 # also, the format of your music and bit rate will affect it as well. 04.18.35 # if you're listening to flac files, your battery will drain a lot faster than a 192kbps mp3, or even q6 ogg 04.18.48 # excitatory: i see. a higher bit rate means faster battery drainage 04.18.48 # cowmilk2: no, just the nano 04.18.57 # cowmilk2: both the apple firmware and rockbox play audio with a software codec... 04.19.01 # cowmilk2, Rockbox uses software codecs. 04.19.25 # well, yes, more processing power is needed to decode the file at those rates 04.19.34 # Febs: what's your point? 04.19.37 # and so slightly more power is consumed 04.19.40 # EQ too, use the EQ> 04.19.56 # ShadowdogMU: right. i read that in apple.com's faq 04.20.13 # 30GB 5th gen cowmilk2? 04.20.21 # ShadowdogMU: yes, that's mine 04.20.35 # a 30 gig 5th gen that i got free from gratis-internet 04.20.36 # 8-) 04.20.38 Quit TCK (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.20.41 # I wouldn't suggest using the EQ at all then, I have the same and just listening and scrolling skips music, add in the EQ to the processor (only 1 /2 ) 04.20.47 # it could get bad 04.20.49 # idk, 95% of my music is q6 ogg, and i get at least 7 hours of continuous play, with a backlit screen, loud volume, and playlist changes periodically. 04.21.21 # ShadowdogMU: what do you mean "add in eq to processor (only 1/2)"? 04.21.23 Quit meshuga (Success) 04.21.26 # cowmilk2: dutch? 04.21.29 # The iPod has 2 processors 04.21.36 # Rockbox currently only utilizes one 04.21.58 # arow: nope i am not dutch. why do you ask? 04.22.09 # technically it's two cores... not two processors... :) 04.22.13 # cowmilk2: really, the only thing you need to know is that the interface is odd at first, but you'll grow to LOVE it once you give it a chance and actually learn it, and two, the default theme is a joke, and you really need to replace it immediately. 04.22.31 # ShadowdogMU: what's the siginficane of the Rockbox using only one processor (or core, as sharpe says)? 04.22.50 # cowmilk2: cause you sayd "gratis-internet" 04.23.13 # excitatory: based on what you said, i guess i don't need to worry about rockbox's battery life usage 04.23.29 # arow: no, that's the name of the website/company that gave me an iPod 04.23.37 # cowmilk2, think about it, if a computer has a dual core processor, but only uses one, what happens? 04.23.46 # ShadowdogMU: i don't know 04.23.50 # ShadowdogMU: i'm no geek 04.23.52 # -_- 04.23.58 # Well ok, let's put it this way 04.24.09 # * ShadowdogMU thinks of another situation 04.24.10 # cowmilk2: it runs slower... :p 04.24.15 # ShadowdogMU: plus, my computer is old. i think it's got only one processor (p3 500 mHz). 04.24.33 # I was using a hypthetical sitution 04.24.46 # why does'nt rockbox use both processors (or cores), then? 04.24.53 # if using both processors is better? 04.24.55 # cowmilk2, the point is that Rockbox has untapped potential. 04.24.55 # Not coded yet 04.25.00 # dan_a is working on it 04.25.18 # oh, is dan_a the man behind rocxbox 04.25.20 # cowmilk2: your biggest problem now sounds like your box probably only has usb 1.1, and thus transfers will be slooow. 04.25.25 # please pass on my thanks to him/them 04.25.34 # dan_a is one of many. 04.25.48 # excitatory: that's what i want to know. how can i figure out if my old box has version 1 or 2 of USB? 04.25.52 # can you guys tellme? 04.26.06 # cowmilk2: running linux, or? 04.26.08 # yes 04.26.08 # i really love the rockbos project, but some codecs are not fully integrated 04.26.09 # ubuntu 04.26.18 # arow: like which? 04.26.20 # that's an obstackle for me 04.26.30 # Huh? "Fully integrated?" 04.26.35 # i believe he means optimized... 04.26.37 # cowmilk2: lspci 04.26.38 # cowmilk2, does your ipod charge when plugged into the computer? 04.26.43 # ShadowdogMU: yes 04.26.46 # it does charge 04.26.48 # cowmilk2: codecs you don't have to be considered about ;) 04.26.53 # arow: ok 04.26.58 # then it's 2.0 04.27.16 # ShadowdogMU: but i hear that 1.0 usb's also charge 04.27.17 # i mean optimized, if you like 04.27.19 # ShadowdogMU: wait, that doesn't mean anything.. i've charged off of 1.1 04.27.47 # excitatory, I've never in my life seen a powered USB 1.1 port 04.27.50 # he's got a p3 box, i'm willing to bet it's only 1.1, unless there's a usb2 pci card 04.28.03 # the usb version doesn't really matter. you can charge off a battery... 04.28.05 # I think that is a safe bet 04.28.10 # ShadowdogMU: come over then 04.28.15 # Ok, where ya live? 04.28.16 # works on my old box 04.28.24 # wisconsin 04.28.31 # hmm, a bit far, but fine 04.28.35 # * ShadowdogMU hops in his car 04.28.42 # hehe 04.28.42 # * excitatory locks door 04.28.51 # I'll kick it down! 04.28.52 # http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19742 <--lspci printout, excitatoryp please take a look. 04.28.55 # break a window even 04.29.16 # Ok, I want to try to make a theme now 04.29.17 # ShadowdogMU: excitatory you guys made me chuckle 04.29.42 # can't be too complicated 04.30.36 # cowmilk2: hrm.. the output is not obvious 04.33.14 # excitatory, cowmilk2 pretty sure it's 1.1 04.33.18 # http://www.intel.com/design/intarch/datashts/29056201.pdf 04.33.21 # 1.0* 04.33.23 # ShadowdogMU: how do you know? 04.35.20 # Because your lspci output told me your USB controller was, 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB 04.35.33 # so a simple google search brought me to the intel page, and gave me the spec pdf 04.36.21 # ShadowdogMU: ok. 04.36.37 # if it's version 1, i guess i just have to be patient when i add music to my iPod 04.36.56 # how many songs do you have? 04.37.22 # ShadowdogMU: i'm adding the audio slowly 04.37.30 # by that i mean. a little at a time 04.37.37 # ok 04.37.58 # i still havent' figured out how to get podcasts onto my ipod 04.38.09 # currently the software i'm using on my box is gtkpod 04.38.17 # but gtkpod can't fully do podcasts 04.38.23 # what do you guys suggest? 04.38.37 # i have an "http:// ... .xml" file that i want to add as a podcast 04.43.54 Join webguest97 [0] (n=425dac13@labb.contactor.se) 04.46.18 Join fatherfork [0] (n=44df7439@labb.contactor.se) 04.46.41 # where can I get the changelog for the latest build? 04.46.44 # well, i'm gone. g'night evryone. 04.46.48 # sharpe. 04.46.59 # bah. what midkay? :) 04.48.24 Quit webguest97 (Client Quit) 04.49.31 # i'm outta here 04.49.31 # bye 04.49.52 Quit arow ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 04.50.09 # anybody? 04.50.14 # changelog? 04.50.29 # there is a front page changelog, and a changelog on the daily build page.. 04.50.38 # ah 04.50.38 # in fact i don't think i've ever seen a site that makes it easier to access changelogs. 04.50.38 # :) 04.51.09 # whoa whoa, yeah, dang. kick me. 04.51.32 # literally, or..? 04.51.44 # I can't get creative enough right now to make a theme 04.51.45 # tomorrow 04.51.47 # was that sarcasm or "i'm offended that you told me where they are", or...? 04.51.58 # hypothetically 04.52.08 # neither 04.52.16 # seriously, I just didn't see it 04.52.20 # you can't describe it as hypothetical.. that word doesn't fit here! 04.52.26 # does rockbox themes support transparency? 04.52.27 # alright, well now you know where it is. :) 04.52.32 # I know, I just didn't know what to say 04.52.32 # do* 04.52.38 # ShadowdogMU: what kind? in a way they do. 04.52.38 # thanks 04.52.45 # yes, they do support it 04.52.50 # not like 50% transparent, but like this-is-drawn or this-is-not-drawn. 04.53.02 # I mean like alpha transparency 04.53.02 # it's like a pink color correct? 04.53.11 # ShadowdogMU: not really. 04.53.17 # in fact, that is exactly what we use to signify transparency. this-is-drawn and this-is-not-drawn. 04.53.18 # Ok, I'll have to fake it 04.53.20 # 255,0,255 is 100% transparent. 04.53.30 # literally any other color is 100% opaque. 04.53.31 Join manegol [0] (n=monalm@user-11fa3dr.dsl.mindspring.com) 04.53.40 # no true antialiasing, you'll have to fake it, right. 04.53.47 # fantastic, midkay, I needed that. 04.53.49 # thanks again 04.53.53 # It'lll probably be all images 04.53.53 # np. 04.55.03 Part cowmilk2 04.55.09 Join cowmilk2 [0] (n=ubunt2+x@S0106000f66308462.vf.shawcable.net) 04.55.37 # if i install rocxbox, will there be an easy way to remove it later on? will there be an easy way to upgrade rocxbox when new versions come out? 04.55.45 # Yes and yes 04.55.53 # how and how? 04.56.11 # 1. apple restore utility or delete and remove bootloaded 04.56.17 # 2. just replace the files 04.56.19 # read the wiki, and unzip a daily build.. 04.56.27 # both should be in the manual and/or wiki. 04.56.32 # Ok GMod time 04.56.36 # ok. thanks 04.56.39 # mmhmm 04.58.18 # so i am on http://www.rockbox.org/download/. which do i download for my 5th gen iPod? 04.58.23 # or am i on the wrong page? 04.58.26 # cowmilk2, as I suggested earlier, you might want to take a look at the manual. 04.58.43 # look ath e manual to know which to download, Febs? 04.58.52 # YES! 04.59.00 # yep 04.59.07 # that's how I figured it out 04.59.11 # it's all there 04.59.16 # Read the "Getting Started" section, and specifically read the "Installation Instructions." 04.59.33 # I even know that, I have no idea why I didn't look harder for the changelog 04.59.54 # Febs: fatherfork thanks. am reading now 05.00.01 # anybody here on ubuntu or xubuntu? 05.00.11 # oo, credit for the suggestion to febs 05.00.22 # is it an ubuntu-specific-only question? 05.00.26 # if it is, it probably doesn't belong here.. 05.00.30 # midkay: i don't really know 05.00.32 # if it isn't, why not just ask? 05.00.36 # ok 05.00.50 # how do you guys get podcasts onto your ipod? 05.01.06 # You are amazing at reading and typing at the same time. 05.01.16 # Febs: sorry 05.01.19 # ok. back to the manual 05.01.23 # 8- ) 05.01.32 # * midkay wonders why you would even ask for an ubuntu user for that. :) 05.01.34 # indeed 05.01.38 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB25E44.ipt.aol.com) 05.01.40 # what can i do, i just love chatting with you 05.01.50 # or causing pain towards me. :( 05.01.56 # now i'm all bothered. :( 05.02.05 # thanks for ruining my night. 05.02.07 # midkay: because ubuntu users may have a different way of getting podcasts ontot heir ipod htan a non-ubuntu suer 05.02.12 # midkay: what? 05.02.18 # what's wrong, midkay? 05.02.18 # haha 05.02.28 # thanks again guys. later. 05.02.33 Quit fatherfork ("CGI:IRC") 05.03.06 # oh, you should have included the ubuntu part in your question, rather than just "how does anyone here get their podcasts on their ipod". 05.03.17 # midkay: right 05.03.29 # coz i thought maybe rockbox does that? 05.03.47 # .. gets podcasts onto the ipod on which it runs? magically or what? 05.04.08 # huh? 05.04.16 # Febs: am reading the manual... and i have a question 05.04.25 # how would rockbox get podcasts onto an iPod? 05.04.40 # midkay: that's what i don' know. i'm still reading up on the nature of rocxbox 05.04.55 # it modifies what runs on your iPod, not what puts stuff on it. you do that yourself. 05.05.03 # midkay: i see 05.05.42 # the rockbox manual says that though the apple firwmware resides entirely on flash memory, most of the rockbox software resides on iPod hard drive... 05.05.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.05.57 # where does it say that? 05.06.05 # doesn't this mean that the rockbox cannot ever become as efficient in battery usage as firmware 05.06.15 # midkay: it says so at http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch1.html#x3-20001 05.06.17 # not in the least, and that's not very true either. 05.06.54 # ah, that 05.07.09 Quit manegol () 05.09.15 # Febs: i'm readin g the manual. in the installation section, it says i should check the wiki for up-to-date info. i'm on the wiki page. how do i know if there is updated info? 05.09.32 # Febs: manual link: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch1.html#x3-80001.4.2 05.10.29 # Don't worry about it. The manual should be pretty much up to date. 05.10.45 # ok 05.10.48 # ty 05.10.56 # i'll continue reading ... and installing. 05.12.30 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-226-210-191.tukw.qwest.net) 05.12.57 # i've just downloaded the bin file and the fw.c file. i'm going to be doing the commands in terminal now. i'm a bit nervous. i hope it doesn't wreck my box, or my iPod 05.13.00 # here i go 05.14.14 # it should be clear in the instructions that you can't wreck your iPod and if you mean "computer" by "box" that is certainly out of the question.. :) 05.14.46 # midkay: ok 05.14.52 # midkay_: are you on windows? or mac? 05.15.21 # windows, but running this kind of command in any OS shouldn't just "kill your box".. 05.15.22 # coz i learned to call the computer a box when i switched to linux 05.15.25 Quit midkay (Nick collision from services.) 05.15.26 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@63-226-210-191.tukw.qwest.net) 05.15.30 # midkay_: ok 05.16.05 # not unfamiliar with the terminology in the least, but being concerned of wrecking your PC or "box" seems a bit weird so I wanted to confirm. 05.17.38 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.18.12 # midkay: ok 05.24.57 # my ipod's partition table is goofed. 05.25.41 # recovering it in testdisk just results in a sad folder icon. 05.26.37 # * midkay points and laughs. 05.31.44 # BHSPitMonkey: how did the partitoin get that way? rockbox's fault? 05.32.30 # nope 05.33.01 Quit XavierGr () 05.33.11 # so how, BHSPitMonkey? 05.33.29 # I did a firmware update because things were acting oddly last week, and after that, my linux partition stopped appearing 05.33.46 # testdisk showed that it was still there, but the fat partition reported a falsely large size 05.34.06 # it wrote the correct partition table, and the ipod can't boot now 05.34.17 # but give me a little bit, there's some things I'm going to try anyway. 05.34.55 Quit infamis ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.53.05 Join manegol [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa3dr.dsl.mindspring.com) 06.04.18 # how did you do a firmware update, BHSPitMonkey? do you mean the iPod updater? 06.04.39 # yeah. 06.04.55 # oh, i was thinking of doing that, too 06.04.56 # "updated" to the version I was already at 06.05.06 # not restore 06.05.07 # BHSPitMonkey: what do you mean? 06.05.35 # an update just replaces the firmware partition, a restore wipes the whole device 06.05.37 # apple.com/ipod/download <-- is that what you got BHSPitMonkey? 06.05.40 # yes. 06.05.55 # that program has two buttons, update and restore 06.06.21 # so you mean this isn't the first time you ran the update software? 06.06.52 # how did you get a linux partition on your system anyway? 06.07.15 # on my iPod, you mean? 06.07.20 # i use linux on my comptuer. it dosent' necesasariy mean that theer's a linux partiiotn on my iPod, right? 06.07.25 # yes, on your ipod. 06.07.51 # there's a linux partition on my iPod, because my iPod has (had) linux on it. 06.07.58 # www.ipodlinux.org 06.08.15 # surprising that you've heard of rockbox but not that project. 06.09.00 # BHSPitMonkey: don't be surpsied. because i have heard of ipodlinux 06.09.20 # why did you put linux on your ipod? 06.09.20 # k. 06.09.32 # what can ipodlinuix do that rockbox can't? 06.09.35 # what's the diff? 06.10.04 # run a program written for linux? heh 06.10.23 # what programs did _you_ run 06.12.13 Nick cowmilk2 is now known as cowmilk (n=ubunt2+x@S0106000f66308462.vf.shawcable.net) 06.12.25 # whichever I wanted to, is this about "correcting" my decision to use iPodLinux? 06.13.20 # if it is, you truly don't "get" the underlying premise of the open-source world in general 06.13.21 # BHSPitMonkey: nope 06.13.26 # ok 06.13.36 # what's your computer os? 06.14.31 # i use Ubuntu, an open-source os. i'm not your enemy. i'm not an enemy to the open-source world. 06.14.35 # I have several installed. I'm liking Ubuntu, so I've been using it primarily recently. 06.15.08 # i only ask what programs _you_ use on your linux partiiton on your ipod because i wanted to know if it's something i should look into 06.15.15 # it <--ipodlinux 06.16.15 # there's always modules for podzilla2 being released by people 06.16.45 # I like iDoom and iBoy better than the rock* equivalents 06.17.51 # there's usually some cool new developments happening over there, so that part of the project interests me as well. 06.18.47 # plus it was the first project I involved myself in when I got an iPod (before finding Rockbox), and I'm just fond of the project and it's people, because I've learned a lot through it 06.19.00 # so I'm biased a little bit, personally. 06.19.22 # 8-) 06.19.55 # when you say "bias", you don't mean you can't see clearly regarding rockbox and ipodlinux, do you? 06.21.15 # i'd like to try ipodlinux too, but am scared of undergoing the expeirience you had 06.21.40 # this experience wasn't because of iPL (well, I suppose on some level it was) 06.21.41 # anyway 06.21.46 # I'll get it worked out 06.22.02 # please tell me then how it happened. so that i can avoid it. 06.22.10 # what's BH? 06.22.13 # in your nick 06.22.16 # BHS 06.22.21 # and I love these projects both equally, they're both great 06.22.32 # yeah, and they're both getting better, aren't they 06.22.37 # mmhmm 06.22.56 # BHS = school initials 06.23.26 # i see 06.24.27 # is your iPod dense with music yet? 06.24.37 # or, rather, music that isn't safely backed up on your PC 06.25.00 # BHSPitMonkey: huh? 06.25.15 # um... i've got 1 gig of music on my ipod 06.25.23 # i've just started using it this week 06.25.27 # could you deal with wiping out the iPod, is your music backed up on the computer 06.25.31 # i've still got some stuff i'd like to updolad 06.25.44 # do i need to wipe out iPod for some reason? 06.25.56 # well, yes, by music is on my harddrive 06.26.29 # iPL has a relatively new installer, so installing it is much easier than it once was 06.27.04 # but if you use it, you do have to erase the music you have so far. 06.27.30 # what generation of iPod is it? 06.28.17 Quit mirak (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.28.29 # 5th gen 06.28.49 # BHSPitMonkey: i think i can afford to erase all te music on my ipod 06.29.08 # but what if i want to undo the ipl installation? do i have to wipe out my ipod again? 06.29.34 # there's ways around having to do that. 06.29.34 Quit manegol (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.30.04 Join manegol [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa3dr.dsl.mindspring.com) 06.30.12 # it doesn't hurt anything to have it on there, though... besides the fact that you give up a small amount of music storage 06.30.21 # BHSPitMonkey: i'm still waiting to learn of how you got your partiition messed up 06.30.24 # (in my case, I gave up 64MB) 06.30.33 # so that i can avoid it 06.30.54 # umm, just don't run the apple updater. 06.31.25 # any time you run the updater, it WILL overwrite your rockbox and/or linux bootloader, anyway 06.31.33 # so you wouldn't want to do that probably anyway 06.31.55 # I only ran it because I was desperate, and I was trying things to fix a problem I had. 06.32.07 # (a problem that was more easily solved, I found out) 06.32.25 # BHSPitMonkey: ok. but after the updater overwrites the rockbox and/or linux bootloader, i can just re-install the bootloder, right? 06.32.38 # BHSPitMonkey: what was your prob, and how did you solve 06.33.02 # i would like to run the ipod updater because i hear it fixes bugs and perhaps will get my battery usage better 06.33.08 # what exactly does the ipod updater do? 06.33.19 # if you can tell me, i can better decide if it's somethinh i don't need 06.33.23 # my problem was that my itunes database got itself corrupted , but an iTunes sync ended up fixing it. 06.33.41 # BHSPitMonkey: you mean you had to sync outside of ubuntu? 06.33.56 # I still manage my iPod in iTunes. 06.34.09 # that's one of the few things I have to reboot into Windows for 06.34.24 # why don't you use a linux app? i use gtkpod 06.34.36 # gtkpod doesn't do videos, I don't think 06.35.24 # ah 06.36.47 # like I said, I can't wait until Banshee or Songbird or something is stable, and iPod-supportive 06.37.03 # yeah 06.37.09 # since I do like the iTunes GUI 06.37.23 # it's nice 06.37.24 # (just not all the nonsense that goes along with it) 06.37.35 # what notsense? 06.37.39 # drm? 06.37.48 # like the iTunesDB, apple DRM crap, etc etc 06.39.16 # what exxactyl is this iTunesdb? it's not essential? 06.39.52 # the iTunesDB is the basis of the iPod's Apple firmware music player 06.40.02 # it's that thing that rockbox hates ;) 06.40.12 # BHSPitMonkey: ah 06.40.35 # so you mean that rockbox can't play any of the songs on the iPod that were loaded with itunesdb? 06.40.42 # the database of files, named F593 and Q207, etc 06.40.54 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.41.21 Join manegol_ [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa3dr.dsl.mindspring.com) 06.41.33 # it can play those songs individually, but it's a pain. you have to use things like TagCache just to look through the songs effectively 06.42.01 # ah 06.42.10 # why did apple do that i wonder? 06.42.20 # it goes against the rockbox file structure philosophy, to just have audio files organized in plain-jane directory hierarchy 06.42.40 # probably because it's easy for their software, and hard for everybody elses. 06.43.21 # it makes their software more exclusive and proprietary, and makes it slightly harder to share music as well 06.44.15 Quit manegol_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.45.13 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.152.207) 06.46.46 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Main@wirelessdata-031-030.mycingular.net) 06.50.14 Quit manegol (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.52.32 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 06.56.21 # BHSPitMonkey: do you think that's why Apple has this iTunesdb system? 06.57.37 # * BHSPitMonkey shrugs 06.57.51 # it's a valid accusation 06.57.55 # but I'm not apple. 06.58.59 Join secleinte [0] (n=secleint@70.230.178.61) 07.00.07 # iTunesDB doesn't make it "easy for their software", it just makes it more exclusive. 07.00.48 # midkay: It does to an extent. 07.00.57 # why? 07.01.03 # The filename will always have the same exact number of characters in it. 07.01.14 # .. why would that make it easy in any way at all? 07.01.39 # You know exactly how much memory you need for filenames without feeling like you waste even a single char. 07.01.47 # :-P 07.01.49 # .. gosh, that simplifies so much... 07.01.50 # :) 07.02.08 # not that they use the filenames...? 07.02.14 # the database uses tags. 07.02.28 # Yeah, but you have to have a file to associate them with when they get loaded from disk 07.02.57 # That also means that playlists have a predictable size that increases linearly. That might be an advantage in some strange world. 07.03.01 # do we know for a fact that these are loaded to memory? :) 07.05.24 Quit secleinteer (Connection timed out) 07.05.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.54 Quit secleinte (Client Quit) 07.06.29 Join secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.178.61) 07.09.11 Join manegol [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa3dr.dsl.mindspring.com) 07.09.58 # hey 07.10.23 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-50-91.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.10.31 # hi 07.10.38 # Is normal sound of Rockbox different from normal sound of iriver firmware? 07.11.09 # it would take a picky ear to notice, I would think 07.11.46 # um 07.11.47 # why don't you try and see? 07.11.53 # it probably is. 07.11.54 # what 07.11.59 # what try? 07.12.00 # I believe tests have shown that, at least on the iRiver, our Mp3 decoder is not significantly different than the one iRiver used. 07.12.04 # try listening to both. 07.12.09 # haha.. 07.12.10 # hey 07.12.23 # [11:04:49] Volume of original firmware(iriver) what Rockbox's volume with what same? 07.12.29 # haha. 07.12.33 # * midkay gives up and gets back to mapping. 07.12.54 # Because their sound is different, I can't know correctly it. 07.13.18 # Then guess. 07.13.27 # hm.. 07.13.38 # http://www.cdpkorea.com/zboard4/zboard.php?id=freeboard&no=69592 07.13.50 # Very long argument 07.14.06 # dispute 07.15.05 # Normal sound setting, different? 07.15.23 # I have no idea what you're asking. 07.16.14 # Don't you know answer? or don't understand? 07.16.33 # I don't understand. 07.16.45 # What you asked was not a question. 07.17.00 # hmm... 07.17.30 # haha. 07.17.35 # How does iriver mark volume? 07.17.49 # and how does rockbox mark voulme? 07.18.20 # by numbers, and by decibels. 07.18.36 # Rockbox tells you how much the hardware is actually adjusting the volume of the output. 07.18.47 # iRiver makes up numbers and says "This is the volume" 07.18.52 # They are imaginary. 07.19.28 # ah.. iriver is inexact? 07.19.53 # iRiver doesn't mean anything. 07.20.04 # it's exact according to its scale, its scale is simply random. 07.20.25 # They picked a certain level to be 1, said the loudest is 40, an divided the space up between the two. 07.20.43 # is there a 0? :) 07.20.51 # I think 0 is mute. 07.20.53 # hehe 07.21.01 # 1 is far too loud for me at night though. 07.21.04 # I doubt iriver's technique.... 07.21.07 # haha. 07.21.11 # what technique? 07.21.16 # iriver fake. rockbox real. 07.21.16 # all 07.21.21 # hahahaha 07.21.22 # yes, yes 07.21.23 # Heck, on an airplane, sitting right behind the engines, I find myself listening at only -35 07.21.45 # .. like that's a common occurrance? :) 07.21.55 # sigh. 07.21.57 # it was occurence. 07.22.01 # Hehehe 07.22.05 # occurrence. GAH. 07.22.08 # i fail you all. 07.22.08 # :( 07.22.27 # hehe 07.22.34 # Actually, if it's quiet enough, I end up continually turning it down, and bit by bit. 07.22.41 # Then suddenly, I lower it ONE more, and it's off. 07.22.54 # Well, on the iPod Nano. On the iRiver, the hiss is too loud. 07.22.55 # haha. 07.23.18 # Plus the iRiver has a lower minimum. 07.23.36 # white noise.. 07.24.18 # that was random. 07.25.18 # I can see why Rockbox might be nice on PSP actually 07.25.36 # It's the only thing I own that plays MP3s that I cannot detect a hiss on. 07.25.59 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-54-252.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.26.11 # PSP? 07.26.15 # automatically making Rockbox nice on it? :) 07.26.19 # Playstation Portable. 07.26.28 # I'm not a big Sony fan though. 07.26.38 # yes, that's game..... 07.26.49 # midkay: Automatically making it the best thing for me to listen to quiet music in a quiet environment with. 07.27.16 # nods 07.27.24 # Does rockbox make everything as is possible? haha.. 07.27.39 # that didn't make much sense. :o 07.28.18 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.28.58 # Reason that I doubt iriver's technique... 07.29.18 # They says that many things are impossible. 07.29.50 # like what? 07.30.11 # Even, thing which is supporting in Rockbox, says that they are impossible by hardware. 07.30.21 # like? 07.30.26 # Multi-tasking 07.31.19 # Can't see image while is listening to music. 07.31.39 # and 07.31.45 # they said that was impossible by *hardware*? 07.31.48 # yes 07.31.51 # maybe with their current setup, but certainly not hardware. 07.31.53 # where can I read this? 07.32.16 # and, says that that mark sync of 7 line is impossible because of hardware. 07.32.40 # mark sync of 7 line? 07.32.49 # lyrics 07.32.52 # 7 line lyrics 07.33.15 # mark sync? 07.33.18 # and 6 line inclusion.. 07.33.31 # ah, not sync. my mistake 07.33.35 # LDB lyrics. 07.33.48 # can i see where either of these are said? 07.33.57 # :) you know korean? 07.34.06 # no..? :) 07.34.15 # link anyways? 07.34.17 # i'll find a translator. 07.34.51 # plus they deleted my much post. 07.34.58 # my question 07.35.12 # can i see what they said? 07.35.17 # wait 07.36.22 # http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300/1988 07.37.03 # http://service.iriver.co.kr/cs_question.asp?Page=1&SrchItem=uname&SrchString=%C1%A4%C5%C3%C0%CE 07.37.41 # They deleted all previous question on January 10, 2006. 07.38.49 # ah. 07.39.20 # We can't ask a question to them on weekend. 07.39.39 # can't write. 07.39.58 # ok... 07.40.06 # They play weekend joyfully with server. 07.40.08 # haha.. 07.41.25 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.44.55 # um. now, does rockbox support perfectly iriver's LCD remote? 07.45.10 # perfectly? i suppose not... 07.45.21 # or.. 07.45.24 # (1) why? (2) why don't you try? don't you have a remote? 07.45.25 # works fine 07.45.32 # yep. 2 07.45.40 # so why not just try and see? 07.45.40 # I don't have a remote. 07.45.49 # .. 07.45.53 # .... 07.46.02 # well, i haven't tried it, but it's supposed to work fine. 07.46.03 # why do you ask? 07.46.24 # Which LCD remote? 07.46.24 # There is the H100 and the H300 LCD remote. 07.46.29 # The H100 works perfectly. 07.46.39 # perfectly? 07.46.41 # I must have reason? 07.46.43 # Some people disagree with how the buttons are assigned on the H300 one. 07.46.53 # Jungti1234: random questions are kind of weird, you ask them a lot.. just curious. 07.47.09 # no 07.47.10 # midkay: Well, there are one or two screens where it cannot be used. It works perfectly in the sense that everywhere it works, it works fine. 07.47.19 # I don;t ask much. 07.47.48 # Paul_The_Nerd: so it could work at one screen "perfectly".. :) 07.47.53 # Jungti1234: um, whatever.. 07.47.54 # And I don't talk much because I don't know well English. 07.48.14 # midkay: I think it's down to one or two custom screens that it doesn't work. And plugins in which the author couldn't be bothered. 07.48.48 # alright. 07.50.13 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-105-194.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.04.01 Join ^jhMikeS^ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-249-9-51.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 08.04.39 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.14.36 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.19.01 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.19.29 Join bernych [0] (n=50533e9c@labb.contactor.se) 08.21.58 # HI, I'm doing an instrument tuner plugin and want to know how to get the last 2 seconds of data from the mic to compute my FTT on it. 08.22.21 # It's similar to the prerecording feature in the recording 08.23.40 Part cowmilk 08.25.02 # i really don't know, but have you looked at the prerecording code? :) 08.32.32 # Yes, but there are almost only static functions and they are specific to recording 08.33.15 # * midkay shrugs, no idea then. 08.38.26 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-141-170-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 08.47.24 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 08.52.13 # argh...... 08.52.16 # very hot.. 08.59.45 Quit bernych ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.05.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.06.37 Join manegol_ [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa3dr.dsl.mindspring.com) 09.06.47 Quit BHSPitMonkey_ ("Leaving") 09.22.40 Quit manegol (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.31.52 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-64-94.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.32.57 # midkay 09.33.06 # yes? 09.33.22 # [14:20:03] it's exact according to its scale, its scale is simply random. 09.33.24 # what's mean? 09.33.41 # i mean you can't call iriver's scale "inexact". 09.33.49 # it's just a fake scale. 09.34.01 # fake scale?? 09.34.06 # fake? 09.35.47 # other words? 09.36.08 # sigh, it's just.. never mind.. Rockbox uses decibels, iriver uses.. numbers. 09.36.25 Quit manegol_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.36.33 # just numbers? 09.37.25 # you mean which it means nothing? 09.40.34 # it means nothing, right. 09.41.55 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241ae.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 09.45.00 # um 09.45.17 # Doesn't it mean 'volume'? :) 09.48.14 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.53.09 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-86-215.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.57.19 # alright. 09.59.33 # ah....... 09.59.37 # I don't know.. 10.00.30 # I have to go to theater.. hehe 10.00.34 # bye 10.00.43 Quit Jungti1234 () 10.06.20 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.15.25 # Ah, now the bootup is really fast with serialized dircache and tagcache, and rockbox in flash :) 10.16.01 # no disk access (scanning/loading) at all and tagcache is also loaded instantly to ram 10.26.38 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.26.49 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 10.29.15 # Slasheri: How do you make _sure_ the dircache info is still valid? 10.29.20 # Sounds like black magic 10.30.43 Join mkey [0] (n=mkey@pD9E36BA1.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.32.25 # amiconn: using the eeprom 10.32.51 # that way we can be sure unless user has disconnected the hard drive physically 10.33.15 # and then we can assume that user should know what he is doing 10.33.16 # What about the of? 10.33.25 # And what about rockbox crashes? 10.33.28 # it's removed and rockbox is in flash 10.33.32 # that works only without of 10.33.51 # the eeprom flag is invalid until rockbox has been succesfully shutdown 10.33.57 # And if someone does rolo for of? 10.34.11 # then it would be same as crash -> still invalid flag :) 10.34.46 # Hmm. What happens if the dircache info doesn't match the disk contents, but rockbox doesn't detect that situation? 10.35.10 # * amiconn is really paranoid when it comes to data safety precautions 10.35.25 # hmm, basically read-only opened files might be corrupt, but that doesn't affect write operations (because dircache is not used then) 10.35.36 # and of course dir contents might be incorrect also 10.35.39 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.36.09 # That's one (major) reason why I don't use dircache. I don't trust it... 10.37.10 # but i think it should be as safe as cache updated on every boot (because only real situation for incorrect cache state would caused by manually disconnecting the drive or some other damage to the drive) 10.37.20 # Tagcache is a totally different thing. If it doesn't work correctly, it doesn't corrupt data on the disk 10.37.34 # yes, true 10.38.25 # amiconn: but dircache itself cannot corrupt data on disk too (data going to the disk). It can only corrupt data coming out from the disk 10.39.16 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.39.27 # hello 10.39.33 # hmm 10.39.39 # dionoea: hello 10.45.49 Join TomFelker [0] (n=tom@c-24-4-91-61.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 10.54.29 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45CA8.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.54.45 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 10.55.04 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-15-190.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.56.09 # Slasheri: Does dircache ensure that no info going _to_ the disk can be corrupted by wrong (cached) info coming _from_ the disk? 10.56.57 # What I mean is e.g. saving a file to a directory first scans the dir whether the filename already exists, in order to decide whether this is an overwrite or a new file 10.58.17 # Same goes for the shortname in case it's a new file, the code needs to make sure the shortname is unique 10.58.21 # amiconn: dircache cannot corrupt the file in that situation, because files opened with O_RDWR or O_WRONLY does not go through the dircache at all 10.58.30 # Mikachu: (reading your comments in the logs) I've only got the 4g (greyscale and the Color/Photo) recording via the headphone socket (in mono). Both the 4gs and the 5g are recording in stereo via the line-in in the dock connector. 10.58.48 # amiconn: only when opening files for O_RDONLY (or checking whether a file exists), dircache is used to speed up to locate the startcluster 10.59.27 # and with an incorrect startcluster readed data can be wrong 11.00.19 # Yeah. My point is: When opening a new file for writing, the code needs to scan the dir whether the filename already exists 11.00.30 # And if that scan goes through dircache... 11.01.24 # if it'll need to spin up anyways, you may as well check the disk itself.. 11.01.32 # true, so that can confuse the software.. it can overwrite an existing file even if rockbox thinks that while doesn't exist 11.02.27 # amiconn: but it should be extremely rare for that to happen.. either when the previously mentioned conditions are met or there is a bug in dircache 11.03.10 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.03.12 # What I fear more is that it might happen that the dir might end up having 2 entries with identical names 11.03.58 # That should never happen, and what happens to win2k when it finds 2 identical shortname entries in a dir is known... 11.04.11 # hmm, that is not possible 11.04.35 # file system code never uses dircache to find out if file already exists in that situation 11.04.54 # ah, hmm. 11.05.13 # * linuxstb can't recall anyone reporting a corrupt disk due to dircache 11.05.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.06.07 # amiconn: if file is to be opened for writing, dircache is not used in any point during that process 11.06.15 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 11.07.19 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.07.26 # Slasheri: How much data can be stored in the eeprom? 11.08.33 # linuxstb: 128 kbit 11.08.38 # so not very much :) 11.08.53 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 11.09.13 # argh, no 11.09.17 # need to check 11.09.34 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.09.47 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.10.34 # linuxstb: 1 kbit 11.10.43 # so 128 bytes 11.11.13 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-4-67.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.11.25 # More than the Archos RTC storage then (44 bytes). 11.11.25 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 11.11.34 # hehe, true 11.12.14 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.12.27 # currently i haven't planned other use for the eeprom as the "intact disk" flag so there should be still many bytes free 11.13.32 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 11.13.58 # Does the bootloader I installed last night set the "intact disk" flag, or will I need to upgrade? 11.14.17 # linuxstb: you will need to upgrade :) 11.14.33 # i still need some testing and code clean-up with the eeprom driver 11.16.54 # Slasheri: I think the binary config data that will stay binary after the switch to .cfg files for most options should go to the eeprom too 11.17.13 # On archos we'll (continue to) use the RTC RAM for this 11.17.22 # I'm assuming the OF uses the eeprom? 11.17.23 # Archos recorders, that is 11.17.33 # linuxstb: Yes it does 11.17.47 # amiconn: hmm, that sounds good. 11.18.11 # but true, there needs to be possibility to save the data on disk too because eeprom is not available if OF is still installed 11.18.17 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.18.28 # fortunately rockbox can detect if rockbox has been flashed 11.18.41 # We should check how much of the eeprom the of uses. Maybe it's doesn't use all of the eeprom 11.18.54 # s/it's/it/ 11.19.17 # amiconn: hmm, at least all eeprom bytes was quite random binary data last time i checked.. 11.20.07 # Adding the size of all binary cfg data I remember right now, we'd need 12 bytes 11.24.34 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.24.45 # * amiconn suggest a better term for this data. It's not cfg data, but status information 11.24.59 # Sounds sensible. 11.25.11 # Resume index, current runtime and top runtime 11.25.37 # That's all stuff the user can't set (directly) 11.28.48 # amiconn: Hmm, what about dircache size? 11.29.10 # in fact that isn't needed then at all.. 11.29.27 # because if rockbox is flashed, we can load the image from disk 11.29.41 # dircache size (or the validity flag) is also status info 11.33.49 # rockbox being flashed probably won't be common on any of the newer targets soon, except H1x0 11.34.09 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d01v-213-44-195-150.d4.club-internet.fr) 11.34.32 # On H300 we could technically do it, but the of is still necessary if you want to use usbotg 11.34.47 # On ipod I don't see flashing happening any time soon 11.35.09 # X5 has the same problem as H300 11.35.50 # Would you flash your h300? Or do you want usbotg? 11.35.52 # Hmm, in fact rockbox on X5 already means the of isn't available (atm) 11.36.09 # linuxstb: I want usbotg, otherwise I would flash asap 11.36.20 # * JdGordon came in late.. why are we flashing h300? 11.36.37 # We're not. But we're flashing h1x0s. 11.36.39 # JdGordon: Rockbox in flash means faster boot... 11.36.51 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-86-157.dslaccess.co.uk) 11.37.01 # does that mean flashing it every time we want to upgrade? 11.37.09 # or just removeing the of completly? 11.37.24 # Yes it would mean flashing every time 11.37.39 # ...but not the whole rom, as that would be dangerous 11.37.39 # but doing the upgrade flashing is very simple and fast 11.37.45 # dont we need the of to do the flash? 11.37.48 # The bootloader will stay the same 11.37.51 # You can still load a rockbox.iriver from disk by holding REC when booting. 11.37.57 # JdGordon: Nope. 11.38.01 # just select rockbox.iriver -> open with -> iriver_flash and flash has been updated 11.38.16 # oh ok, well if its possible now ill give it a try, my h300 is us and the usbotg mod didnt work 11.38.32 # Slasheri: You use the same image as when running from ram? why? 11.39.10 # amiconn: currently there is some problems with audio playback when running directly from flash 11.39.22 # i am not sure what causes it but rockbox will crash in 30 minutes 11.39.26 # Did you try to use the 'catch mem accesses' feature? 11.39.36 # hmm, probably not 11.39.45 # but i can try that soo 11.39.48 # *soon 11.39.51 # Most often this is something trying to write to a data location which is declared 'const' 11.40.12 # * amiconn remembers debugging rom execution on archos 11.40.35 # Some things just failed "mysteriously" 11.41.25 # Slasheri: ROM execution requires a different link address. What's your approach for this? 11.44.23 # amiconn: i have enabled the rom creation from Makefile and modified the rom.lds a bit 11.44.40 # ok. 11.44.55 # What filename (extension) do you use for these files? 11.45.11 # * amiconn would prefer a unique cross-platform approach 11.45.27 # What about using .ucl? Did you look into this? 11.45.38 # i haven't yet planned that so far.. currently and first i was only planning to support the .iriver type of ram images only 11.45.50 # and maybe in future the rom images too 11.45.54 # ucl sounds good 11.46.22 # It could even support ucl compression (although it's not strictly necessary given the ROM size) 11.48.56 # Slasheri: would it be possible to flash it back to the of or the current rb loader? 11.49.28 # The flash plugins on archos do quite a lot of sanity checks to prevent accidental (and deliberate, to some degree) mis-flashing 11.51.36 # These measures (reportedly) saved some user's boxes from bricking 11.51.43 # Do the Archos plugins create a backup of the current flash contents? 11.52.27 # JdGordon: it is possible to flash back (at least if you have taken the dump of the rom contents before), but currently that feature is not yet supported 11.52.39 # Not by themselves, but the flashing instructions recommend doing so before (by using the ROM dump feature in the debug menu) 11.53.34 # rockbox_flash in fact doesn't need to backup anything. Only the first time flash (firmware_flash) should be preceded by a ROM dump 11.53.52 # and erasing/programming the whole flash at once always increases the risk to brick the unit 11.54.14 # amiconn: How big are the voice files for the h1x0? 11.54.29 # linuxstb: Same size as for archos (still) 11.54.34 # So about 1.5MB? 11.54.47 # You _can_ use somewhat larger ones (I believe) 11.54.53 # I was just wondering if there would be any advantage to storing them in flash. 11.55.05 # Yes, although it should be more like 1.4MB for archos today :/ 11.55.08 # We have about 1.6MB of unused space I think. 11.55.41 Quit safetydan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.55.43 # It would make upgrading voice more difficult 11.56.03 # Also, what if you want to change voice? Or have voices for more than 1 language? 11.56.27 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@cor5-ppp2711.bri.dsl.connect.net.au) 11.57.56 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 11.58.05 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 11.58.05 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.00.49 # amiconn: Yes, I know there are disadvantages, but are there any advantages? Presumably it could save 1.5MB of the playback buffer if we played voice clips directly from flash. I'm just trying to think of possibly uses for the unused flash. 12.01.09 # A full unicode sysfont? 12.02.17 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-155-216.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.05.15 # * amiconn thinks we need a solution for a "hybrid" sysfont (ascii part built in, other glyphs loaded from disk) 12.05.57 # That will perhaps even save a bit of binary size. Today the sysfont is full iso8859-1. 12.06.38 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-226-210-191.tukw.qwest.net) 12.08.58 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.10.01 # is the sysfont loaded form disk when rb starts? or is it compiled into the binary? 12.13.01 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967471.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.13.19 # It's compiled in 12.13.45 # Otherwise it would be impossible to display any messages when there's no font on disk... or in the bootloader 12.15.04 # ah, hmm.. that makes sense :p 12.15.36 # indeed 12.16.21 # The disadvantage is that the sysfont is only iso8859-1, so it isn't possible to translate strings which are displayed using the sysfont into greek, or hebrew, or korean etc 12.17.10 Join bluebrother [0] (i=ngNCxkKs@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.17.21 # could the bare minimum needed letters be compiled in and then fter boot load a fnt file for the sysfont? 12.17.32 # fter = after 12.18.06 # Being part of the binary, it's not possible to make the sysfont full unicode. But if we come up with a hybrid solution, we could even reduce the built-in part to pure ascii 12.18.17 # ...as the internal error msgs are always englsih 12.19.05 # You mean just "overloading" the built-in font with an on-disk version? 12.19.09 # ye 12.19.37 # Hmm, that sounds like a relatively simple soluton. Requires a bit more font cache that reusing the built-in glyphs directly thoguh 12.19.43 # compile ascii into the binary, and then load any font they want after boot 12.19.52 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 12.20.32 # do we even really need two fonts? 12.20.36 # The sysfont needs to be fixed width, and of a certain size (currently 8x6 on all targets). Otherwise a lot of layouts will break 12.21.34 # Hmm, in fact you're right. We should try and make all screens in rockbox work with the user font 12.21.58 # ...and then use the sysfont _only_ for "emergency" messages 12.22.14 # no! bad idea! 12.22.21 # * JdGordon slaps self for putting that idea forward 12.22.29 # This way we don't need a hybrid solution at all, and can still shorten the sysfont to ascii 12.22.41 # too much work making every screen scale to every font size 12.22.58 # I don't think it needs to be any size 12.23.14 # Extreme fonts will make things look weird 12.23.54 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.23.58 # But going through all screens and make them adapt to variable font size (and proportional fonts) will in fact also be a first step towards supporting multiple fonts 12.24.22 # actually how many screens would need fixing? 12.24.38 # we dont have many graphical screens to begin with.. so its not that much work 12.24.47 # Two things that come to mind: Status bar, keyboard 12.24.58 # Oh, and button bar on archos recorders 12.25.01 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-22-185.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.25.11 # status bar needs pretying up anyay, and kb is a bit problem 12.25.16 # ..and recording screen 12.26.19 # ok, so shrink the compiled font to ascii, and double the font buffer to hold 2 fonts, the sys font which is fixed size full unicode, and the user font which is what it is now 12.26.27 # The recording screen code looks like one big hack... 12.27.34 # Now I'd rather say we should drop the full unicode sysfont idea, and work on making things work with the user font instead 12.28.02 # Things should become easier with viewports (e.g. the quickscreen, if we want to keep that) 12.28.31 Quit Pyromancer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.28.38 # equalizer ui needs fixing for non-sysfont 12.28.41 # * amiconn wants to work on viewports, but has so many other ideas he wants to work on 12.28.59 # ...and even during holidays time is limited :( 12.30.07 Join Jazon [0] (n=arkygeek@host86-139-196-197.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) 12.30.12 # hi all 12.30.21 # hello. 12.31.38 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 12.31.48 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-135-192.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.32.52 # amiconn: "work on making things work with the user font instead" <- some screens it will be impossible to do for some fonts, the sys font is always nice to fall back on if the user font is too large.. 12.33.17 # * JdGordon prefers the 3 font solution, if the sysfont buffer can be disabled for ppl who dont need unicode error messages 12.36.00 # Morning all. Does anyone know which bit of code draws the bar which goes across the screen at startup after the Rockbox logo has been shown? 12.36.09 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 12.36.15 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@63-226-210-191.tukw.qwest.net) 12.36.36 # which bar? 12.36.47 # you mean the status bar? 12.37.21 # I might do - it shows between the Rockbox logo showing and the file browser coming up 12.37.46 # * JdGordon never noticed said bar 12.37.48 # Sounds like a bug... There should be no bar displayed. 12.37.49 # There is none 12.38.08 # lcd glitch? 12.38.18 # Maybe you observe the same thing as happens on the g4 and mini - the lcd showing a one pixel horizontal black bar, 12.38.19 # dan_a: Does it also appear in the uisim? 12.38.20 # It looks deliberate 12.38.29 # which slowly fades out over time 12.38.50 # This is because rockbox doesn't shut down the lcd properly 12.39.10 # It's about 10 pixels high, and grows from left to right across the screen 12.39.18 # huh? 12.39.34 # I've not set up uisim at all yet, so I don't know 12.41.05 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.41.12 # Hmmmm... I'm really confused now. I'll check I didn't dream it! 12.41.49 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 12.47.50 Quit spiorf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.49.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host68-143.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 12.49.48 # anywho... can someone look @ http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5623 ? Linus likes it but wants a second opinion... 12.49.53 # No, it seems that I completely imagined that bar 12.58.40 Quit joe2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.02.17 # JdGordon, have you been running with that patch? 13.02.27 # no 13.02.49 # i had it on a while ago, works fine 13.02.59 # .. im pretty sure it works fine 13.03.13 # ah, confident you are yes 13.03.28 # :) ye 13.03.54 # it bassically formalises what was started in the playback code in a update a few weeks back 13.05.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.22 # hrmm... I'd review it better if I wasn't watching Iron Chef 13.14.57 # JdGordon: I wonder why the code gets bigger if it's supposed to reduce duplication 13.15.30 # Also, comparing the .ucl size for recorder is futile. rockbox.ucl is compressed, so it doesn't tell anything about the real code size change 13.15.53 # Either compare rombox.ucl, or better directly compare rockbox.bin 13.21.08 # amiconn: i compared the ucl because i thought the ucl was the equiv of .iriver.. 13.21.39 # The equivalent would be the .ajz, but that's still self-extracting on recorder v1 13.22.38 # Reason: the archos firmware loads the .ajz when rockbox isn't flashed, but there's a 200KB size limit (recorder v1, and player though it's called archos.mod there) 13.22.54 # Recorder fm/v2 and Ondios have a 400KB size limit 13.25.39 # i can do a proper comparisson now if you want 13.26.31 Quit Jazon (Remote closed the connection) 13.26.40 Quit mkey (""Welcome to IRC; Where men are men, women are men and little girls are FBI agents!"") 13.28.16 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 13.33.29 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@110.80-203-37.nextgentel.com) 13.33.45 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 13.35.48 # amiconn: 13.35.48 # -rwxr-xr-x 1 jonno users 226640 2006-08-05 21:37 rockbox.bin 13.35.49 # -rwxr-xr-x 1 jonno users 226492 2006-08-05 21:35 rockbox.bin.cvs 13.36.25 # so tiny increase... maybe the code can be simplified to shrink that, but 150bytes is acceptable no? 13.37.00 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-83-31.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.37.10 # Yeah, it's less increase than on iriver. SH1 code is quite compact in most cases. 13.37.23 # Still, I wonder why there is an increase at all. 13.37.59 # because there is still some overhead... 13.39.14 # How many places use the directory walk? 13.40.20 # playlist.c has it 3 maybe 4 times.. i tihnk thats it tho (i actually thought it was mroe than that when i did it) 13.40.39 # looking at the code it could be simplified a bit i tihnk 13.42.31 # actually.. maybe not 13.44.51 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@c-24-63-23-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 13.52.39 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.55.59 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@110.80-203-37.nextgentel.com) 14.06.47 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 14.14.14 Part filR 14.16.17 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@rockbox/developer/Bger) 14.29.05 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.29.42 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc5-hem13-0-0-cust908.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 14.35.57 # linuxstb, looks like you're making great progress on the ipod recording. Congratulations. 14.36.50 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-208-63.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 14.38.14 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 14.39.07 # Hmmm. On the sound quality scale, is "sucks" better or worse than "a bag of shit"? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5637 14.40.43 # i would say sucks is a lot better than a bag of shit 14.41.28 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.41.45 # but SUCKS with lots of !! is also pretty bad 14.41.55 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 14.42.30 # There's a "thumbs down" as well. Don't forget to take that into consideration. 14.44.00 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 14.45.53 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.46.08 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 14.49.42 # amiconn: i created a new file firmware/eeprom_settings.c that has a struct defined in eeprom_settings.h and two functions: eeprom_settings_load() and eeprom_settings_save() with crc32 checksum checking 14.50.43 # both functions are safe to use from bootloader also (those functions can't block) 14.53.58 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.04.06 Nick gtkspert_ is now known as gtkspert (n=gtkspert@203-59-86-215.dyn.iinet.net.au) 15.06.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.13.59 Quit Bger (Remote closed the connection) 15.17.28 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@rockbox/developer/Bger) 15.20.35 Part pixelma 15.29.07 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A44D97.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.31.27 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-73-7.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.35.07 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 15.35.21 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 15.38.55 # hmm, just wondering what file would be the best place to put function detect_flashed_rockbox(). system.c? 15.40.28 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 15.41.23 Join |apo| [0] (n=r00t@dslb-088-065-067-135.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.45.04 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host81-153-177-234.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) 15.47.01 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.48.04 # Several Mistic River users report loud crackle on startup with H3xx: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=45110 15.49.28 # nice, now bootloader can pass it's own settings on the firmware_settings -struct (for example bootloader_version), and it can check if we want to load the default firmware from disk or flash (REC manually always inverts that behaviour) 15.50.26 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.53.48 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 15.59.29 Quit apo` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.00.03 Join leftright [0] (n=leftrigh@p5499542E.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.01.33 # Febs; on my H140 there is definately a one loud pop on startup and shutdown, but its also evident with Original Firmaware 16.01.54 Nick Kohlriba is now known as Kohlrabi (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-135-192.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.02.10 # leftright: hmm, is that with the headphone port and are you using the newest bootloader? 16.02.37 # headphone port, but not new bootloader 16.02.47 # try upgrade the bootloader 16.03.26 # ok, didn't know there was a new one 16.04.00 # * leftright racks brains for bootloader procedure 16.04.55 Join rasher [0] (n=jonas@83.72.66.7.ip.tele2adsl.dk) 16.06.22 # I'll ask the people reporting the problem what bootloader they are using and exactly when in the boot sequence the problem happens. 16.06.42 Join lodesi_ [0] (n=lds@d01m-195-36-138-203.d4.club-internet.fr) 16.08.23 # I get a very very very faint noise, but not more than you'd expect when turning something on 16.08.37 # h120, bootloader 6 16.09.10 # Me too. But I recall in the past hearing something that is more of a screech occasionally. Hasn't happened recently though. 16.09.49 # I get a sort of whooomp noise when using the reset button, but I doubt that's anyone's fault 16.13.06 Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.13.51 # Slasheri: my h300 has a loud crackle/pop sound when i turn it on also 16.15.17 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.8.152) 16.15.51 # JdGordon: hmm, do you have the newest bootloader on it? I am not sure about that unit but at least with H1xx too old bootloader causes a crack at the same time when pressing the power button 16.16.04 # v5 16.16.20 # ye, its just as u turn it on 16.16.36 # i never worried about it, but seen as febs brought it up i thought i may as well mention it 16.17.23 # lol/wtf at the latest cvs commit... 16.17.27 # gwps-common.c 16.20.27 # ver 6 is the latest bootloader right ? 16.21.21 # what's function is'Load to RAM' in tag cache option? 16.21.34 # v6 for h1xx v5 for h3xx 16.21.36 # what function? 16.21.43 # Jungti1234: its the same as dircache 16.21.46 # still a pop/crack on startup and shutdown, but as I said the original firmware does that too 16.21.48 # it speeds up the id3 browser 16.21.58 # um.. what is id3 browser? 16.22.04 # see id3 database? 16.22.12 # Slasheri: if the bootloader can pass stuff to Rockbox, would it be possible to pass presses on "play" (for resume) 16.22.21 # Slasheri: so you can press "play, play" and not have to wait 16.23.07 # id3 browser is 'Show Files -> ID3 Database'? 16.23.12 # Jungti1234: yes 16.23.16 # ok 16.24.56 Quit pike () 16.25.09 Join pike [0] (i=amiga@82.209.178.202) 16.25.29 # infact the pop/crack on startup is worse with the original firmware 16.25.37 # and.. 16.25.46 # what is 'Catch mem accesses' in debug menu? 16.25.59 # ignore it 16.26.10 # why 16.26.25 # Of course, I unuse it. 16.27.24 # but.... just curious 16.27.30 # please answer.. 16.28.17 # its a debugging tool, to tell you if you are accessing invalid memory, or something like that 16.28.23 # Jungti1234: if you are not a programmer don't go to debug section, most of the stuff there is to assist developers 16.28.24 # It's something to do with catching memory accesses made to "wrong" parts of the memory or something. It helps debugging.. stuff 16.29.06 # I like how festival pronounces "plugins" as "Plueg-ins" 16.29.45 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.169.183) 16.33.20 # * rasher files a bug on the Split filesize menu 16.35.02 # is there any point in having a boot logo, it just boots to fast, :> 16.35.54 # thanks all 16.35.55 # :) 16.36.12 # Very kind answer. 16.36.14 # It's gone quite fast. I barely get to see it. But then, when tagcache is committing, you get to marvel at its beauty. 16.36.37 Quit Bger (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.40.35 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.51.31 Join pikester [0] (i=amiga@c83-249-120-24.bredband.comhem.se) 17.02.34 Join mkey [0] (n=mkey@pD9E36BA1.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.03.37 Quit pike (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.03.52 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.04.08 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.06.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.08.53 Quit Jungti1234 () 17.10.19 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-76-125.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.11.07 # bluebrother, I've created a poll in the forums to get a sense of what percentage of Rockbox users read the manual: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5655.0 17.12.06 # * dionoea just bough an ipod dock ... wonder if i haven't been wasting my money :) 17.15.18 # linuxstb: have you already tried having fun with the dock's IR thing ? 17.16.21 Join fungame [0] (n=fungame@c-67-191-10-108.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 17.18.25 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-22-38.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.28.19 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@85.187.218.57) 17.32.49 Quit barrywardell () 17.34.00 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.34.39 # Hello all. I'm interested in updating Rockbox's Makefiles so that it will compile on Mac OS X. So far I've gotten the simulator working successfully. Can anyone give me some advice (or whether or not this a better question for the mailing list) on how I should change the makefile so that the patch gets accepted? :-) 17.40.20 # fungame: I don't have much advice, but Bagder is definitely the man to get in touch with when it comes to makefiles 17.41.29 # rasher: Do you have any idea when he's usually around? 17.41.58 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.43.18 # fungame: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/ might help. Mostly worktime and late evening (GMT+2) on weekdays I think, and late evenings in weekends 17.43.43 # any ipod hacker arround ? 17.43.50 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.44.39 # rasher: aha. Thats cool. Thanks :-) 17.45.00 # hmm... i need to find something... 17.45.59 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.46.13 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 17.47.13 # Hm, what's a good way to pad a string with spaces in shellscripting? 17.47.38 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 17.48.00 # rasher: " $SOMEVAR " 17.48.10 # in bourne shell at least. 17.49.22 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.49.30 # lol, memory is full of C0EDBABE or CACAD0D0 on the ipod ... i wonder what that's due to 17.50.12 # fungame: Sorry for not being clearer. I have a string that I want padded up to say, 10 characters. Is there an easy way to do this (without first finding the string's length) 17.50.32 # with awk i guess ... /me should learn awk 17.50.48 # I was trying to avoid invoking awk, actually 17.51.04 # But I guess that's one way 17.51.20 # rasher: What tools are you willing to use? 17.51.25 # rasher: completely in the shell? 17.51.36 # dionoea: in rb it's mostly DEADBEEF 17.52.03 # petur: well this is reading memory at like 0xE0000000 and up (in rockbox) 17.52.12 # and i can't find that anywhere in rockbox source 17.52.38 # fungame: I don't know.. guess I'll just do it with awk (awk '{ printf(%10d, $1) }') 17.52.45 # maybe the apple/ipl bootloader fills mem? does memtest? 17.52.56 # i don't have a clue :) 17.54.03 # well, it makes sense if it does... .:) 17.55.55 # in fact most addresses like 0xe???ffc are full of that 18.04.00 # hum, can rockbox freeze while reading stuff in memory ? (like somewhere arround 0x17FD.... ?) 18.06.44 # ahhh that classic memory location 18.07.01 # ? is that known ? 18.10.19 # dionoea: yes it can go wrong when reading non-existing locations (bus error) 18.11.00 # ok 18.11.05 # it will probably jump to some exception handler and I don't think it will recover 18.11.07 # sounds logical 18.13.12 # iirc we have a reboot option in exception handlers 18.13.24 # like, press stop to reboot... or play 18.13.26 # don't remember which 18.14.10 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@110.80-203-37.nextgentel.com) 18.14.55 Join RandyBear [0] (n=3ff6c8e1@labb.contactor.se) 18.16.14 # mmmm... just want to post something to the wiki... says I have to grovel here first?? 18.16.26 # yes 18.16.30 # Play, I believe. At least on Iriver. 18.16.31 # grovel 18.16.37 # :) 18.16.44 # don't have much time to spend on this... 18.16.52 # RandyBear: which user are you? 18.16.58 # this one 18.17.07 # RandyBear? 18.17.10 # yes 18.17.19 # that is me 18.17.22 # moi 18.17.27 # myself 18.17.32 # < bow> 18.17.35 # And is that, in fact, your real name? (I'm sorry, it's just that I've never heard "Bear" as a last name) 18.17.41 # serious? 18.17.58 # Yes? 18.18.02 # check a pfhone book 18.18.23 # that depends where you live :) 18.18.32 # Yes, yes it does. 18.18.44 # anyway, which page is it you have to edit? 18.18.48 # mmm, well look, I have something to add to the wiki and I don't need a debate 18.18.54 # the mic preamp thing 18.19.01 # awful 18.19.09 # needs revision 18.19.15 # should be a FET 18.19.24 # anyhow it is incorrectly biased 18.19.42 # which is why it should be a FET 18.19.54 # but if no one cares... 18.20.16 # RandyBear: should work now 18.20.24 # thanks much... 18.20.29 # ta 18.20.37 # At least if I did it right 18.20.59 # btw anyone know what the spec for the Rockbox 15 (V1??) wall wart was?? 18.21.17 # I think it's in the DeviceChart page 18.21.35 # oh? where is that "device chart"? 18.21.38 # in the wiki? 18.21.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart 18.21.47 # great! 18.21.52 # (and it is) 18.22.27 # Wonder if I should put my langstatus script (responsible for the table I just put on the LangFiles page) in cvs 18.23.36 # long as I'm at it... how about how to save/get copy of old Archos OS for backup before loading in Rockbox? 18.24.41 # No idea about that I'm afraid. I'm not an Archos man. 18.25.05 # on a recorder ? are you planing on falshing it ? 18.25.42 # perhaps... looking into it just now... 18.25.53 # not sure yet how it all works software wise 18.26.04 # only just got the thing a few weeks back 18.26.21 # have to make a hardware repair on the batt charger circuit yet 18.26.28 # but it is fun so far 18.27.33 # no one? 18.27.43 # well i don't know the new models 18.28.17 # this is an old model... 18.28.26 # old Recorder... 18.28.31 # Recorder 15 18.28.40 Quit fungame () 18.28.42 # Recorder v1 ? 18.28.42 # with the blue bumbers ? 18.28.43 # antique, uses two hamsters to run it 18.28.46 # :) 18.28.49 # black 18.29.49 # well i have the v1 (which couldn't be flashed) and you just dropped the firmware file on the hard drive to load rockbox (and removed it if you didn't want it anymore). You can do that to start and flash rockbox once you're confident that you like it better than the crappy archos firmware 18.31.24 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.36.21 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 18.40.13 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host68-143.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 18.40.42 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-108-145.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.45.59 # tnx dio 18.46.31 # not sure i see the firmware file via USB... 18.47.03 Quit pikester (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.52.37 Quit rasher ("leaving") 18.53.07 Part leftright 18.55.41 # RandyBear: well the default firmware is in the flash. If you want to use new archos firmware, you just drop the file on the harddrive and it loads it from there (without overwriting the flash or anything) 18.58.04 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.00.46 # "Data abort" ... neat :) 19.03.22 Join midgey34 [0] (n=TJ@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 19.05.01 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 19.06.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.08.19 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 19.10.12 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.12.09 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 19.16.21 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.18.27 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 19.28.32 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-135-192.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.31.09 # cool :) my ipod is doing alien sounds with the piezo :p 19.31.47 # has anyone already tried using that as a speaker ? 19.36.59 Join GTC [0] (i=debian-t@digital.linux.org.au) 19.37.42 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.37.56 # not for music, no 19.39.06 # any audacity users around that know about the envelope tool? 19.39.30 # Mikachu: any idea if that would be possible ? 19.39.45 # dionoea: i have no idea how often it lets you change the frequency 19.40.05 # you'd need like 40000 Hz for music ? 19.40.28 # it would be recognizable at 10000Hz too 19.40.43 # my ipod is now sounding like a police car ... hehe 19.41.12 # single voice midi?? 19.41.14 # Mikachu: how would i check that ? 19.41.29 # just experimenting ? 19.41.52 # it also sounds hard to play a pcm sample on a device that takes 1/frequency as input 19.43.20 # there used to be sound driver that let you play WAV on the pc speaker under windows 19.43.30 # sounded horrible 19.43.42 # but it was the best there was ;) 19.43.46 # that's because it has to yield the cpu, or the computer would lock up 19.43.49 # horrible is better than nothing :) 19.43.52 # and when it did, the pc speaker stopped getting data 19.44.05 # you would probably have to dedicate the cop if you wanted to actually use it 19.44.25 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 19.44.25 # sound cards were hard to get back then. midi was there but no wav 19.44.45 # (late eighties) 19.44.46 Quit |apo| (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.45.27 # back when an at286 12MHz was awesome 19.45.28 # linuxstb: i have a new bootloader ready for you soon ;) 19.46.16 # petur: there is a driver for linux too of course 19.46.36 # hum, looks like i found a way to change the piezo's volume 19.46.46 # but no more for recent wndows versions... 19.46.49 # really? 19.47.06 # really what ? 19.47.11 # volume 19.47.22 # well yeah, i'll experiment a bit more 19.51.45 # neat :) it's definitively doing something 19.52.12 # i'll have to do some kind of an interface to test ... recompiling everytime is a bit horrible 19.54.09 # dionoea: FS#5111 - anything you can use there? 19.54.15 # i'll check 19.56.00 # obo: no, it's just like ipodlinux' implementation. They OR the freq with 0x80800000 19.56.08 # I had a HZ to freq conversion in an earlier one (approx 91225/Hz ) 19.56.12 # and the freq is only on the last 2 bytes 19.56.30 # so i'm trying to see what the first 2 bytes are used for 19.56.39 # and it looks like it might be volume 19.57.46 # nice :) 19.59.38 # * petur wonders if the h1x0 eeprom driver also works for h3x0 20.05.04 # 0x00->0x79 == no sound, 0x80 == full volume up to 0xff == low volume 20.05.19 # i don't understand why that has to specified twice though 20.06.46 # what happens if you use different values? 20.07.00 # hum, in fact all values ranging from 0x80 to 0xf0 sound the same 20.07.43 # Mikachu: that's what i'm about to test :) 20.14.42 # ok, it's weird 20.14.50 # anyone want my test plugin to try and figure it out ? 20.15.49 # one looks like a "master volume" while the other one does some fine tuning ... but it also ends up affecting the frequency 20.17.24 # (this would be nice for an alarm clock plugin) 20.18.21 Quit sando ("blargh") 20.18.22 # ok i get it 20.19.36 # if |0x80000000 puts the volume on. &~0x80000000 shuts it off 20.19.51 # 0x00??0000 influences the volume (and frequency?) 20.19.59 # 0x0000???? is frequency stuff 20.20.17 # i don't know what the other stuff in the first byte might be used for 20.20.19 # maybe it's 0x00?00000 and 0x000????? ? 20.20.38 # lets see 20.21.00 # (but i doubt it given the volume change pattern) 20.21.18 # yeah i haven't even looked at it, so just guessing 20.21.25 # you have an ipod ? 20.21.37 # yeah, i've played a bit with the piezo 20.21.42 # but i used the code preglow wrote 20.21.54 # well, stole from ipl 20.21.55 # i can send you my test plugin code if you want 20.21.59 # sure 20.22.26 # http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/ipodtest.c 20.24.53 Join menollo [0] (n=53740bec@labb.contactor.se) 20.25.29 # 0x00?00000 doesn't sound like volume ... 20.26.27 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 20.27.42 # 0x000?0000 isn't related to frequency changing 20.28.16 # so then it must be the other way around if 0x00??0000 changes both? 20.29.23 Join pike [0] (i=amiga@c83-249-120-24.bredband.comhem.se) 20.30.20 # everything above like b00 sounds the same to me 20.30.39 # b00 ? 20.31.57 # for the frequency 20.32.04 # i think 'vol2' is the waveform 20.32.12 # bye & tnx for the help 20.32.15 Quit RandyBear ("CGI:IRC") 20.32.26 # Mikachu: ffff definitively doesn't sound like 0b00 here 20.32.52 # near the edges, it sounds sawtoothy, and in the middle it sonuds triangular 20.33.09 # how can you make that out ? 20.33.19 # and when you set it to 00 or ff it's completely flat maybe, so that would explain the silence 20.33.35 # it sounds different? 20.34.34 # less overtones in triangular 20.34.43 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-094-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.35.21 # ok 20.35.34 # so that leaves us with 7 useless bits in the first byte 20.37.42 # the msb turns it on? 20.38.04 # yep 20.38.05 # it's possible they're just unused 20.38.13 # seems so 20.39.23 # hey uh 20.39.28 # the freq loops at 0x2000 20.39.35 # i was just about to say so :) 20.39.46 # finger pressed on right :p 20.39.53 # so i guess only &1fff affects the freq then 20.40.15 Quit GTC (Remote closed the connection) 20.40.44 # Febs, just came back and read the log. 20.40.48 # nice poll. 20.41.18 # so ffe000 would afect the wave form ? 20.41.50 # i guess it might 20.41.56 # takes a while to try with your current interface 20.42.21 # it sounds like it does 20.42.25 # i'll upload new sources 20.42.34 # Mikachu: new sources uploaded 20.42.38 # okay 20.45.19 # i'll have to try this thing on my neightboor's dog :D 20.45.22 # haha 20.46.03 # i think you limited the ?: field a bit weirdly now 20.46.07 # it lets me set too large values 20.46.48 # yeah, the ? field is all messed up :) 20.46.55 # but it's useless anyway 20.47.28 # it's hard to tell if the extra precision field actually affects the waveform by ear 20.47.41 # it does 20.47.51 # at least the sound changes continuously 20.48.07 Join manegol_ [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fadld.dsl.mindspring.com) 20.48.09 Nick manegol_ is now known as manegol (n=chatzill@user-11fadld.dsl.mindspring.com) 20.48.37 # well maybe not 20.48.40 # well yeah, but it would if it had no effect too since the first two bytes change 20.49.00 # does anyone here have an ipod and a good microphone ? 20.52.55 # i can't hear frequencies 1->5 20.53.04 # i think it sort of overflows itself 20.53.45 # i can hear 5 but not 1-4 20.54.38 # hum, yay! i can hear 5 if i put my ear on the ipod's back 20.55.34 # we must have pretty much figured it out i guess 20.57.07 # now let's do a piano plugin :D 20.57.43 # I'll add a comment to the piezo patch in FS 20.59.33 # i have some pics in qoscc but i can't make much sense of it 20.59.42 # can i have a look ? 21.01.12 # the waveform changes radically depending on what part of the nano i hold over the mic 21.01.35 # on top of the hearphone socket sems to be the best place 21.01.54 # i'm guessing you don't have a nano? 21.02.05 # no ... i have a video 21.02.16 # the earphone socket is nowhere near the piezo on a nano :) 21.02.28 # hehe 21.04.43 # using the sound card as an oscilloscope is not 100% satisfactory :) 21.04.49 # :) 21.04.58 # i can't notice anything for the extra 7bits anyway 21.06.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.07.19 # didn't look a bit triangular or sawtooth though :) 21.07.27 # :( 21.07.41 # but i get like 3 data points per oscillation so it's hard to tell 21.07.59 # what if you lower the frequency ? 21.11.37 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-141-170-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 21.12.21 # at 1fff, the frequency is low enough to clearly see every 'click' on the screen 21.12.39 # so the tones are formed like closing a zipper quickly, nothing pure about it :) 21.14.20 # :) 21.15.18 # OH 21.15.26 # there appears to be two clicks 21.15.33 # the vol2 sets the time difference between them 21.15.42 # at 80, they are more or less at the same time 21.16.31 # i added a comment on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111 21.16.58 Quit pike (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.09 # scratch that 21.18.19 # at 00/ff they are exactly at the same time and cancel out, it looks like 21.18.21 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 21.18.26 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 21.18.30 # at 80, the extra click is right between two normal clicks 21.21.07 # dionoea: here it is set to 80 http://mikachu.ath.cx/piezo80.png 21.21.18 # that is 80 in the final command 21.22.07 # and the frequency very low of course 21.22.53 # what if you change the waveform thing ? 21.22.59 # how does it change the graph ? 21.23.10 # that's what i just explained 21.23.25 # every second click moves relative to the other set 21.23.34 # at 00 they overlap exactly and seem to cancel out 21.23.47 # oh, ok :) 21.24.28 # i think i would need an actual oscilloscope and better mic to say anything more 21.25.08 Quit manegol (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.24 # yep. I guess that some people here have some 21.25.31 # lets hope that they read this :) 21.26.01 # now i can try sending random commands to some other device on the ipod (and hope that it doesn't break) 21.26.06 # when i looked at higher frequencies, it also just looked like every second top was moving 21.26.30 # i'm not exactly sure why you would want to do such a thing 21.26.50 # me neither :) 21.33.56 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 21.41.26 # what does I2S mean ? 21.41.40 # i only know i2c 21.41.44 # some context? 21.41.50 # is it about the lang strings? 21.42.36 # nope, it's on http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 21.42.38 # some device 21.50.57 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I2S 21.51.18 # Inter-IC Sound 21.51.29 # thanks :) 21.51.54 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-55-232.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.52.21 # some more questions: did anyone already try using the IR port on the apple dock with rockbox ? 21.56.02 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.58.45 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-69-241.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.04.34 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.07.35 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.34 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 22.19.30 Join hshah_ [0] (n=hshah@shahassociates.plus.com) 22.19.37 Quit hshah_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.24.56 Join RedBreva_ [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-208-63.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) 22.29.36 Join pike [0] (i=amiga@c83-249-120-24.bredband.comhem.se) 22.30.14 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 22.31.12 Quit t0mas (Remote closed the connection) 22.32.49 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.45.33 Join webguest12 [0] (n=ce742194@labb.contactor.se) 22.46.22 Quit webguest12 (Client Quit) 22.48.49 Quit RedBreva_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.57.13 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 22.57.43 Join joe2 [0] (n=YouCeyE@ppp-71-136-70-253.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) 23.01.55 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.06.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.11.21 Quit pike (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.14.10 # linuxstb around? 23.14.17 # actually, nevermind 23.21.30 Join GTC [0] (n=ghostige@m60.net81-67-105.noos.fr) 23.22.15 Quit mkey (""Welcome to IRC; Where men are men, women are men and little girls are FBI agents!"") 23.25.07 Quit sharpe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.27.34 Quit dwihno (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.28.10 Quit GTC ("Ex-Chat") 23.29.09 Join GTC [0] (n=ghostige@m60.net81-67-105.noos.fr) 23.29.40 Join dwihno [0] (n=dw@81.8.226.44) 23.34.20 Part midgey34 23.34.45 Join midgey34 [0] (n=TJ@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.42.21 Quit GTC ("Ex-Chat") 23.43.21 Quit petur ("I'll be back") 23.48.24 Join lodesi__ [0] (n=lds@d01v-89-83-175-110.d4.club-internet.fr) 23.49.45 Part lodesi__ 23.52.23 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Main@66.209.15.235) 23.56.46 Quit lodesi_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.57.08 Quit bondolo ("Cya!") 23.57.24 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 23.57.53 # Mikachu: are you still around ? 23.58.07 # just found something weird, 3 other addresses can control the piezo 23.58.39 # i don't know why they'd have 4 different addresses to do that ... if anyone has a clue ...