--- Log for 27.08.106 Server: sterling.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 14 hours ago 00.04.25 Join ootput [0] (n=ootput@tor/regular/five0) 00.05.19 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 00.05.59 # hi guys, i've noticed that (while not even playing music files) my ipod mini 1g with latest rockbox would slowly drain the battery. I arrived at this conclusion after leaving the ac plugged in, and leaving the ipod alone. I noticed that after a while, the screen would light up on it's own (indicating recharging status) 00.06.30 # are the default rockbox settings to not do any powersaving? 00.06.53 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54BCD508.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.07.42 # is the ipod "turned off" when this happens? 00.09.19 # i'd turn it off, but while connected to ac, it'd turn on by itself 00.09.46 # rockbox would load up 00.11.44 # yeah, stuff like that happens. 00.11.54 # yea, rockbox can't tell your AC connection from a USB connection. 00.12.04 # the ipod is hardwired to turn on when you plug in power 00.12.26 # boot rockbox, and press menu while inserting the power cable. 00.12.48 # i think the best way to leave it is in apple os 00.12.50 # or boot into diskmode, and charge from there. 00.13.10 # either of the three work, my way is slowest to charge, Mikachu's is fastest. 00.13.28 # rockbox would never slow the speed to khz level while charging 00.13.28 # alright 00.13.31 # and my way works, no matter what. 00.13.34 # :) 00.15.42 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-141-170-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 00.15.55 Join BHSPitLappy_ [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-141-170-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 00.23.06 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 00.24.26 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 00.26.56 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.27.09 Quit barrywardell () 00.27.30 # linuxstb_: are you related to someone neamed "steve chapman" ? 00.27.38 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 00.28.36 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 00.28.37 Join Hideo_Kuze [0] (i=irc@gateway/tor/x-a463cb744b931984) 00.30.53 # woops who broke the cvs build 00.31.18 # * Mikachu points a finger towards finland 00.33.56 Join Snyper [0] (n=batousai@ip24-250-96-113.dc.dc.cox.net) 00.35.32 # In the end, isn't it always Finland 00.35.33 # :) 00.35.40 # stevechapman the man does not exist 00.35.49 # oh 00.36.32 # people must've mistaken on the article i was reading 00.36.53 # Well, got a little info from Wolfon about the 8758.... 00.37.05 # *wolfson 00.37.17 # unfortunatly the info about the EQ is the same... 00.37.46 # but they said we're using the wrong data sheet, but they cant give us the one for the 8758, but said we should use the 8958... 00.38.20 # err 8978 00.39.22 # which is the same ? 00.40.44 # the datasheet for the 8978 shows the same usage for the EQ that I already implemented, but the peak filters don't work... 00.41.01 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@71-34-66-241.ptld.qwest.net) 00.41.40 Quit Rudy4Pez (Client Quit) 00.42.34 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@71-34-66-241.ptld.qwest.net) 00.43.16 # ack, red builds! 00.44.28 # Slasheri: forgot to commit lang file changes? 00.49.33 # rockbox reports different battery levels than ipod? 00.50.28 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/unlabeled) 00.56.35 Quit BHSPitLappy_ ("Leaving") 00.57.37 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.58.05 # does anyone know of an "ipod dock with lineout/svideo/infrared dissection" page ? 00.58.17 # or hasn't that been done yet ? 01.00.54 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.02.04 Join webguest13 [0] (i=3efc4010@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/unlabeled) 01.02.12 Quit webguest13 (Client Quit) 01.02.40 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.05.21 Join webguest13 [0] (i=3efc4010@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/unlabeled) 01.05.43 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 01.07.02 Join DarthLappy [0] (n=Angus@202-161-25-239.dyn.iinet.net.au) 01.11.21 Quit webguest13 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.16.43 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.16.46 # yeah ! i finally understood how to break the dock up 01.17.13 # big hammer? 01.17.55 # no ... but it was clipped in a manner that made it really hard to unclip 01.18.11 # i could've tried the hammer though :) 01.24.19 # hum ... any idea why the doc has a WM8758AG chip ? isn't that the audio codec or something ? 01.24.59 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.25.58 # *dock 01.26.20 Part ootput 01.26.58 # hum ... looks like they also planed place to solder some chip 01.43.12 # maybe someone should revert the latest commit until slasheri gets back? 01.43.20 # or there won't be any bleeding edge builds available for download 01.45.05 # might be a good idea, it doesn't look like slasheri's around 01.45.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.45.50 # I'm actually suprised the apple dock is anything more than a passive connector 01.46.00 # i'll upload pics in 30 secs 01.46.08 # looks like it also has a video processing chip 01.46.14 # Oh, I believe you, don't take me the wrong way. 01.46.21 # (well ... a big chip next to the S video connector) 01.46.32 # to split to S-video from composite? 01.47.00 # maybe 01.48.04 # I don't have any good reason to assume the dock connector only has composite, outside the fact that's what is on the headphone jack. 01.49.02 # Which specific dock are you disassembling? Aren't there 100s of different docks available? 01.49.11 # standard apple doc 01.49.12 # k 01.49.35 # with line out / s video out / infra red port / ipod connector port 01.52.25 # The new Universal Dock? 01.52.35 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 01.52.37 # http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA045G/A this one 01.52.40 # yes 01.52.55 Quit San||Away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.53.27 # http://dionoea.chewa.net/photos/ipod_dock_internals_2006-08-27_01-50-00/ 01.53.43 # * Mikachu likes putting the ipod on his universal table and attaching the usb cable instead 01.54.04 # hehe 01.54.37 # i'd like to find a way to use that infra red port (without the apple remote if possible) 01.56.41 # I wonder if the dock translates the IR signals to commands, or if it passes it raw up the serial connection. 01.56.54 # i wonder exactly the same thing :) 01.57.00 # raw would be neat 01.57.44 # either way, we don't know enough about the serial part of the dock connector yet to read "commands" do we? 01.58.11 # well if we could have the raw infra red signal we could read commands from any remote control i guess 01.58.42 # though, I think I see where you are comming from, if it sent it raw you could A-make your own IR adapter more easily, and B - totally create a command set custom to rockbox once serial was working. 01.59.11 # * Soap dreams of a 50 button remote for controlling rockbox. 01.59.15 # :D 01.59.18 # The WM8758 in the dock is very odd though... 01.59.27 # or an infra red keyboard 01.59.52 # linuxstb: the other "big" chip too. I didn't find it on google 02.06.48 Quit San () 02.07.37 # i'm wondering what i learned about the infrared controler by taking that apart.... almost nothing i guess. (except maybe that it might be possible to get raw IR data since there doesn't seem to be any chip in between the IR receiver and the connector) 02.10.22 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 02.17.20 Join infamis [0] (i=4b0377fc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/unlabeled) 02.18.22 # In function `retrieve_entries': 02.18.24 # tagtree.c:840: error: `LANG_INCREASE_DIR_BUFFER' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.18.28 # x5 normal build 02.19.10 # i think that this is a know problem introduced by Slasheri's recent commit(s) 02.20.11 # just making sure 02.22.16 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 02.22.58 # all the fix takes is just to add a section to the respective lang file, so just making sure it was known 02.24.02 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.24.11 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 02.26.41 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 02.37.55 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@69-160-88-44.chvlva.adelphia.net) 02.38.14 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 02.41.27 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.42.22 Quit Hideo_Kuze (Remote closed the connection) 02.42.31 Join Hideo_Kuze [0] (i=irc@gateway/tor/x-8d3dc346f79898e3) 02.46.29 # ahh...keep forgetting most of you are in europe 02.47.54 Part pixelma 02.49.17 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.49.41 Quit thoughts ("Byebye!") 02.51.06 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 02.51.06 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.51.34 Join whorse [0] (i=57cad1ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/unlabeled) 02.52.07 # hello all. Can i ask 2 questions about rockbox i cant find anywhere? 02.52.28 # you got 1 question left ;) 02.52.35 # lol 02.52.41 # then i ll combine them 02.52.44 # :P 02.53.06 # well, the problem is i tried to run the doom plugin without putting any wads in there. so its stuck on a black screen doing nothing 02.53.15 # i want it to go to the menu again 02.53.39 # you can't turn it off? 02.53.52 # the whole device, that is 02.53.53 # holding play button? 02.54.04 # Try Menu+Select 02.54.08 # power button? 02.54.21 # oh, iPod? 02.54.40 # well, holding down select and menu reset my ipod 02.54.47 # Well, there you go. 02.55.07 # that was great! :) Also, the second question. Isnt mp3 file support built in? 02.55.29 # Yes. 02.55.36 # Why? 02.55.44 # Wait, let me guess ... you can't see any files. 02.55.54 # no no 02.56.10 # codec failure? 02.56.14 # i was trying to playback some files, but it just outputted "???" at the codec 02.56.20 # but now it restarted it works 02.56.23 # strange 02.57.33 # now it reports mp3 codec and the bitrate. Just before i ran doom it said "???" 02.57.54 # Had you been using other plugins? 02.57.55 # was it still playing the file while displaying '???' 02.58.10 # it just didnt play the file at all 02.58.23 # it loaded the file, but it just didnt find the codec 02.58.37 Quit XavierGr () 02.58.40 # and i really didnt do anything more than restart it 02.59.01 # did you see any id3 info? 02.59.25 # hmm i think i did 02.59.37 # you see filenames & id3 are the same in this file 02.59.44 # i think i did 03.00.17 # I think the ??? is the wps' way of saying the file hasn't been loaded yet (especially if it showed that in the codec field) 03.01.13 # anyway, as long as it works i am ok with it. thanks anyway! I gotta try rockbox. This is the first time i ll listen to something using it 03.01.14 # :) 03.02.06 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.02.13 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.02.21 # have fun...[salesman voice] "Impress all your friends using the pitch control"...I know I do! 03.02.34 # hahaha 03.02.45 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 03.02.47 # thank you everyone, see ya lata 03.03.16 # yup 03.04.35 Quit whorse ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.07.28 # Setting the volume on the orginal iPod firmware sucks. 03.07.28 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.07.45 # How much of "a blue line" is 0dB?! 03.07.45 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 03.08.01 # max is probably -6 :) 03.09.04 # nah, if my headphone-jack FM transmitter is any indication the max OF output is greater than 0 03.09.04 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.09.16 # it clips bad at max volume. 03.09.22 # The iPod Video max is +6dB. 03.09.37 # The problem is that I am trying to compare 0dB on the RB firmware to an equivalent on the Apple. 03.09.46 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 03.09.55 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 03.09.57 # need a dB meter. 03.10.02 # ;) 03.11.00 # That would be great if I were comparing dB SPL. :) 03.11.05 # Which I'm not. 03.11.09 # I think I got it. 03.11.19 # Just what I suspected. 03.11.35 # This should put the Apple FW sounds better than Rockbox debates to bed. 03.12.14 # Results are identical. 03.12.29 Join BigMac [0] (n=dummeska@64-252-96-54.adsl.snet.net) 03.14.57 # Frequency response of apple firmware: http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/apple_freq_res.png 03.15.20 # Frequency response of Rockbox: http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/rockbox_freq_res.png 03.15.26 Join webguest09 [0] (i=d06e9e88@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/unlabeled) 03.15.52 # Can anyone here answer a coding question? 03.15.55 # These are both on an iPod Video, volume at 0 dB in RB, as close as I could match 0 dB in the Apple fw, no EQs. 03.18.01 # Well, what C file is the one that evaluates WPS tags? 03.19.07 # Febs: and this should tell us something? :) 03.19.43 # webguest09: I'm no coder, but try /apps/gui/gwps.c 03.20.01 Join chromoXdor [0] (n=Miranda@85.233.50.125) 03.20.01 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.20.08 Quit lodesi_ ("leaving") 03.20.32 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 03.20.43 # Mikachu: I wonder what will happen if I encode the RMAA test files to MP3 and try the test. 03.21.22 # I wonder if RMAA will even recognize the test signals after they've gone through lossy encoding. 03.21.22 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.21.23 # Febs: i can see there is a difference but why would the rockbox one be better? 03.21.26 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.90.76) 03.22.34 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 03.22.38 # Febs: Close! Gwps-common.c 03.22.41 # Thanks! 03.23.12 # If I organize my music by tags, will Rockbox sort disc numbers too? If I have a multiple disc album will the songs from disc one show before disc two? 03.23.19 Quit webguest09 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.23.44 # Mikachu, I don't see any difference really other than a very small offset that is probably due to different volume levels. 03.24.06 # Febs: ah you just wanted to say they are the same 03.25.03 # :) If there is a difference, it's somewhere in the order of .05 dB. 03.25.29 # Of course, that probably wouldn't stop some of the audiophile types from claiming they could hear it. 03.26.04 # they are funny 03.26.04 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.26.43 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 03.29.35 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 03.29.35 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.30.56 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 03.31.16 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.36.28 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.37.13 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 03.40.09 # * jhMikeS thinks the radio status must be available to powermgtmt.c so the auto shutdown can work the same for radio as for playback but radio_status will have to move to fmradio.c* or power.c. Any preference? :) 03.40.14 # More RMA results: 03.40.47 # Apple FW, dynamic range: http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/apple_dynamic_range.png 03.41.07 # Rockbox, dynamic range: http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/rb_dynamic_range.png 03.41.07 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.41.33 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 03.41.42 # Rockbox frequency response, Lame 3.97b2 -V2 MP3: http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/rockbox_mp3freqres.png 03.42.10 # Apple frequency response, same file: http://jazzexplosion.com/Febs/Rockbox/apple-mp3freqres.png 03.45.08 Quit Noah0504 ("Lost terminal") 03.45.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.54.59 # Febs: Not much difference with the last pair :) 04.00.12 Quit infamis ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.00.27 # linuxstb_: Nope. In fact, I went back to check to make sure that I didn't open up the same graph twice. 04.00.55 # There is a _tiny_ difference if you look close enough. 04.01.36 # the second one appears to be slightly warmer with a barely perceptable wider soundstage and increased dynamics. 04.02.08 # That will be the wooden clickwheel Febs has installed. 04.02.16 # Ah, yes, there is more "air" around the sine wave and the bass is somewhat crisper with faster decay. 04.02.29 # linuxstb_: LOL 04.03.22 # * linuxstb_ thinks we're not taking this seriously... 04.03.32 # linuxstb_: you mean like this? ;) 04.03.36 # http://www.ipoditude.com/archives/woodskin.jpg 04.04.02 # Hey, linuxstb_, if you can't hear the difference, man, then your headphones just aren't resolving enough. 04.04.23 # :) 04.06.18 # If I can find my Pocket Dock, I'll do the same test with the line out. It will be interesting to see how it compare to the headphone out. 04.06.42 # wow that woodskin is amazing 04.06.44 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.07.02 # is their a guide on how to do it? 04.07.23 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 04.07.41 # BigMac: http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/07/05/wood_ipod_zapwizard/1.html 04.07.54 # step-by-step with pictures! 04.09.00 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 04.09.00 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.10.30 # thanks now i have something to do before school:-) 04.11.04 # sure, it looks easy :p 04.18.02 Join [HO]vo|t [0] (n=gcadidas@cpe-24-93-102-155.columbus.res.rr.com) 04.19.45 # ah can't do it 04.19.45 # well probably not 04.19.57 # the local hardware store doesn't carry that quality of wood 04.21.01 # A - oak would work better in all ways but appearance. B - any decent-sized town has a woodworker's supply store or two. 04.22.06 Quit karim ("Ex-Chat") 04.22.13 Quit chromoXdor ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 04.22.37 # i'll look around but i'm not sure if we do and is what im going for 04.23.12 Quit Pyromancer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.25.01 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@cor6-ppp2383.for.dsl.connect.net.au) 04.27.42 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@71-34-66-241.ptld.qwest.net) 04.29.16 # * safetydan answers preglow's summons... a week late 04.32.05 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 04.32.08 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.34.11 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 04.34.11 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.36.34 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 04.36.34 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.39.20 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 04.39.20 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.40.54 # san, what is with your connection? 04.43.06 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 04.43.07 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.45.10 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 04.45.11 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.49.38 Quit BHSPitMonkey ("Leaving") 04.55.17 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 04.55.33 Quit DarthLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.58.50 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.59.36 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 05.01.45 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.01.45 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.03.52 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.03.53 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.09.21 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.10.48) 05.09.26 # haha.. 05.09.34 # hi all 05.13.35 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.15.58 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.15.58 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.16.24 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.16.24 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.17.04 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 05.18.23 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.21.21 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.21.21 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.21.29 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.22.43 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.24.58 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.24.58 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.27.20 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.27.20 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.30.01 # hey, who messed up? I see red in the build table! 05.31.39 # yes.. red 05.32.57 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.32.57 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.33.00 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 05.33.29 # I can't get an updated to build. :( 05.33.29 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.34.07 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.34.22 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.34.37 # Did they just leave that and go to bed or something? 05.36.18 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.40.06 # finex 05.40.08 # fixed 05.45.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.47.02 Quit ni1s (Remote closed the connection) 05.47.02 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.47.03 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.47.04 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.47.47 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 05.47.48 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.49.05 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.51.46 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 05.51.46 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.53.01 Join root [0] (n=root@58.181.184.220) 05.53.38 Nick root is now known as Crackerizer (n=root@58.181.184.220) 05.54.53 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.56.18 Join billytwowilly [0] (n=chris@S01060016b649355d.ed.shawcable.net) 05.56.19 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.56.45 # I heard there was some work on porting rockbox to the sansa sandisk flash players. You guys wouldn't happen to know where the sansa developers hang out would you? 05.57.03 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.57.09 # pm if you do. 05.57.11 # thanks 05.57.16 # Presumably you mean the Rockbox developers working on sansa? 05.57.56 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.0 05.57.57 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.58.02 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-55-86.dyn.iinet.net.au) 05.58.35 # still an error for the FM "region FLASH is full". All others green though. 05.59.34 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 05.59.56 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.59.59 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 06.00.18 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.00.36 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 06.02.14 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.03.35 Quit Febs () 06.03.39 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.03.58 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.04.30 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 06.07.05 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.08.02 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-55-86.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.08.14 Quit chendo (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.08.24 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-55-86.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.08.49 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.09.34 # hello, what is wps stand for? 06.09.42 # while playing screen 06.09.52 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.11.06 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.11.42 # thanks you scorche. 06.13.06 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.13.06 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.13.07 # scorche: always there to help, eh? 06.13.27 # sharpe: i havent been since last night... 06.13.30 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.13.38 # scorche: i wouldn't know? 06.13.57 # then why even say anything? 06.14.08 # i couldn't tell you. 06.14.36 # might want to have that checked out... 06.14.48 # thanks for the advice. 06.14.55 # Febs: I mean the sandisk developers working on the sansa;) 06.15.12 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.16.39 Join DarthLappy [0] (n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine) 06.16.39 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.17.27 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.18.26 # what platform with which rockbox is 100% (or almost) working? 06.18.39 # that's on the webpage.. 06.19.16 # the archos jukebox 6000;) and some iriver models as well as most ipods I believe. go look at the documentation, then click manuals and you will see manuals for all models. 06.19.48 # Crackerizer: the only devices that rockbox has been officially released on are the archos jukeboxes and recorders....but that doesnt mean that other devices are stable 06.20.01 # aren't. 06.20.05 # yeah... 06.20.39 # a more interesting question is this: is anyone working on making rockbox prettier on platforms that support prettier? ie. latest ipods, etc? 06.21.51 # prettier? 06.21.52 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.21.58 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.22.06 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 06.22.38 # yah. like go play with an ipod video, nano, sansa e200 series, etc. The look appealing when you use them. rockbox looks grainy and has no eye candy. 06.22.45 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.22.56 # atleast not that I can tell from the screenshots. 06.23.44 # billytwowilly: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WpsGallery 06.23.44 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.24.31 Quit JdGordon ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 06.24.35 # billywowilly: for 3g, prettier is not the main point. :) 06.25.04 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.25.08 # holy crap. 06.25.13 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.25.22 # you should use those screenshots in the nano manual;) 06.25.28 # nice. very nice indeed. 06.25.39 # Why? 06.25.40 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.25.55 # Those screen shots are not the default. 06.25.56 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.26.04 # because they are beautiful. the ones in there look like rockbox did running on my archos jukebox 6000... 06.26.15 # make them the default;) 06.26.17 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 06.26.31 # No. 06.27.12 # damn though. this messes everything up... now I have to reconsider the ipod nano for my ipod mini replacement... 06.27.17 Quit Jungti1234 () 06.27.19 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.27.20 # nice though. 06.27.34 # do other players have the menu-delay problem like 3g? 06.28.01 # menu delay problems? 06.28.09 # because i've spent 3 days looking at the sources. it's very well coded. 06.28.21 # I haven't noticed anything on my mini. the audio book support is crap though, which is why i'm upgrading. 06.28.32 # oh. you mean with rockbox. 06.28.38 # yes, 06.28.54 # I haven't used rockbox on anything other than an archos jukebox 6000 and that was probably 2 years ago. 06.29.05 # atleast a year anyway. 06.29.28 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.29.30 # then what's happen? 06.29.44 # ? 06.30.00 # I've been using the default apple firmware on the mini... 06.30.13 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.30.26 # because I was under the impression rockbox still looked like it did when it was running on my archos jukebox 6000.... 06.30.46 # things changed. :) 06.30.52 # Are looks so important on the mini? 06.31.41 # not overly. 06.31.53 # Then why not run Rockbox? 06.31.56 # but the screen shots in the manual hurt my eyes so I didn't try it. 06.32.08 # I will probably give it a try now. 06.32.16 # Jesus, those screenshots really bother you don't they? 06.32.32 # not overly, they just give the wrong impression. 06.32.44 # can someone please link me to the rasher site with the font archive? ive looked on the site and can't find it 06.32.49 # when I got the mini the improvement in the screen and looks was a big deal to me over the jukebox. 06.32.57 # so I didn't really want to lose that. 06.33.05 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.33.20 # Did you happen to get to the chapter in the manual about the Custom WPS? 06.33.40 # you guys should start a company around rockbox and sell the firmware to device developers. damn.. portalplayer makes a crapload of money off of stuff like this. 06.33.42 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.34.10 # I didn't get there no, I used rockbox extensively with the jukebox, I just looked for screen shots. to see what has happened with the prettiness of it. 06.34.15 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.34.31 # billytwowilly: and how exactly would one distribute the "wealth"?....this is an open source project 06.35.08 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.35.19 # depends how you developed it. If you were smart and had all the people that contributed just a bit sign over copyright to the core devels then you could dual licence like troll tech does. 06.35.42 # ugh...nvm 06.35.46 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 06.35.49 # or if you didn't, then you can sell your expertise in coding rockbox to work on their device and contribute a snazzy gui for it. 06.36.09 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.36.09 # billytwowilly, Rockbox is distributed under the GPL. 06.36.16 # The GPL does not permit what you suggest. 06.36.24 # I am intimately familar with the GPL. 06.36.35 # And if it did, I doubt that many people would give their time to this project. 06.36.57 # and with the dual licence thing the GPL does not apply if you own the copyright. under the second, it is a moot point, since you'll have the code available. 06.36.57 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.38.40 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-141-170-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 06.38.45 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.39.01 # and as to how to distribute the wealth. start a rockbox foundation and have the lion's share of the returns go there. 06.39.34 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Client Quit) 06.39.34 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.41.11 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.41.38 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-223-59-224.aep.bellsouth.net) 06.42.05 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 06.43.56 # can someone link me to the rasher font database 06.44.46 # 10 seconds on Google: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/misc/ 06.45.19 # i was looking on the site like i'm always told to 06.45.19 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.45.22 # I think 06.45.40 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.45.49 # Open-source does not mean you are not selling it. It merely means the source is available to customers. 06.46.07 # Free software means the software respects your Freedoms, and you are Free to do many things with it. 06.46.07 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.46.09 Quit JdGordon (Excess Flood) 06.46.16 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.46.21 # Rockbox is Free software, and thus by inclusion, also open-source. 06.46.49 # alright i'll be back going to work on getting my artist badge 06.46.55 # BigMac: there is also something called common sense ;) 06.47.27 # BigMac: six second search on the forums: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6008.0 06.47.45 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.48.14 Quit JdGordon (Excess Flood) 06.48.20 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.49.31 Quit JdGordon (Excess Flood) 06.49.31 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.49.38 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.50.25 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.51.57 # yah and common sense would lead you to believe it would be in the fonts section 06.51.57 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.52.24 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.54.25 # BigMac: no...common sense is to use tools available to you in order to find out for yourself 06.54.25 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.54.49 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 06.55.39 Quit dongs (Remote closed the connection) 06.55.45 Join dongs [0] (n=HPUX@b148115.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 06.58.56 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 06.59.02 Part EbErT 07.00.44 # uhhhh the wiki is down.... 07.01.48 # Snyper: not for me 07.01.53 # on 3g, why some menus are darker than the other. 07.03.01 # I am getting an internal server error 07.03.17 # Snyper: well, like i said...it works fine for me 07.03.21 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 07.03.36 # copy and paste... 07.03.37 # Server error! 07.03.37 # The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. 07.03.37 DBUG Enqueued KICK Snyper 07.03.37 # Error message: 07.03.37 # Premature end of script headers: view 07.03.37 *** Alert Mode level 1 07.03.37 # If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster. 07.03.39 # Error 500 07.03.41 # www.rockbox.org 07.03.43 # Sun Aug 27 07:03:15 2006 07.03.45 # Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) PHP/4.4.2-1.1 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8b 07.04.13 # Click the "documentation" link. 07.04.22 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.04.29 # hmmmm 07.04.35 # odd works under opera 07.04.38 # is that because the cpu is loaded or rockbox just sets the constrast? 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It should be ready for CVS but I'd like a variety of devices checked before commit to be sure. I'll announce again tommorrow. 08.06.17 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.06.27 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.08.34 # jhMikeS: if the patch is ready to go and u want it tested on h300 i can do that now for ya 08.08.35 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.08.55 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.10.52 # JdGordon: That would be great. Thanks 08.10.53 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.11.04 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.11.20 # What's with San^3? Too bad Bagder isn't here to do the boot. 08.11.32 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-6-74.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 08.12.17 # jhMikeS: what does your patch do? 08.12.17 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.12.34 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 08.12.55 # jhMikeS: the patch in the last comment is all thats needed? 08.12.58 # jhMikeS: just a guess, but he's having connection problems. 08.13.19 # BigMac: It was originall ahellmann's patch but it was rotted so it's up to date now with most features. 08.13.28 # It adds FM Radio and compression. 08.13.34 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.13.36 # JdGordon: Yes...the very last one 08.14.10 # oh so that wouldn't work on a 5g huh 08.14.30 # 5Gs don't currently have recording in Rockbox... 08.14.39 # JdGordon: No SWCODEC for ipods yet, that's an ipod right? 08.14.42 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.14.43 # In fact really it's only useful for H100, H300, and X5 right now. 08.14.49 # I mean BigMac 08.15.02 # yah 08.15.14 # alright then im off to bed 08.15.19 # Paul_The_Nerd: well, they have some limited line-in recording, don't they? 08.15.30 # sharpe: Not in Rockbox yet. 08.15.39 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.15.43 # Paul_The_Nerd:who would i talk to about getting a theme added to the wps gallery 08.15.44 # I don't believe linuxstb_ has committed any of his recording work, has he? 08.15.46 # i thought linuxstb had gotten something... 08.15.46 # I'd like it tested on hw codec because there was some code rearrangement 08.16.01 # BigMac: The WPSGallery is a wiki page. You add it yourself. 08.16.08 # oh ok 08.16.09 # ah. you're talking about committed works, i was just talking in general. 08.16.13 # and its not mods right 08.16.20 # Paul_The_Nerd: He said it suffered bit rot and was too preliminary yet 08.16.20 # "mods"? 08.16.25 # jhMikeS: Figured. 08.16.27 # modifications 08.16.38 # like changing just the background 08.16.54 # The ones that tried it said the patch really worked well 08.17.33 # I fixed the issues ahellmann mentioned 08.18.13 # well i should finish my wps before thursday 08.18.29 # compiling... 08.18.36 # i think it is a wps that has never been done before 08.18.48 # well the style atleast 08.19.46 # BigMac: Does it not have text or images? I doubt that's been done before. 08.19.47 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.19.58 # and if i put it in the gallery then i get an artist tag 08.20.04 # its hand drawn 08.20.14 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 08.20.21 # i'm going to call it sketchpad 08.20.23 # JdGordon: FULL UPDATE! :) Someone just tried dropping in the rockbox.iriver yesterday and surpise it didn't work! :D 08.20.39 # Your settings will reset too 08.20.44 # jhMikeS: hehe.. ye i did make bin and then realiesed that was stupid.. so doing full make 08.21.00 # That won't make the codecs :) 08.21.01 # problem tho.. you didnt touch libtremor did you? 08.21.06 # no 08.21.16 # or vorbis? 08.21.21 # no 08.21.30 # then my cross compiler is screwed :'( 08.21.34 # so anyone, if i enter my wps into the gallery i auto get an artist tag 08.21.37 # LD vorbis.elf 08.21.37 # /usr/local/m68k-elf/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/4.0.3/../../../../m68k-elf/bin/ld: region PLUGIN_IRAM is full (/home/jonno/rockbox/rockbox/h300/apps/codecs/vorbis.elf section .ibss) 08.21.37 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 08.21.37 DBUG Enqueued KICK JdGordon 08.21.37 # make[2]: *** [/home/jonno/rockbox/rockbox/h300/apps/codecs/vorbis.elf] Error 1 08.21.37 # make[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2 08.21.39 # Three new compression codecs 08.21.39 # make: *** [all] Error 2 08.22.12 # Try a clean build? 08.22.26 # it is a clean build... 08.22.45 # oh, i get ya 08.22.55 # I did an H300 build myself and got no errors 08.23.07 # ye, i tinhk my gcc is fucked 08.23.21 # if you can email the files i can test it.. 08.23.38 # Sure 08.24.18 # ye, same problem with clean sources... gcc needs recompiling me thinks 08.29.20 # BigMac: There is no "automatic." I decide who gets artist tags. 08.30.00 # I've even explained exactly what must be true for someone to get one. 08.30.18 Quit DarthLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.31.14 Quit JoeBorn (Remote closed the connection) 08.32.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, ruin his dreams... :D 08.34.17 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-2-255-90.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 08.34.35 Join dongs_ [0] (n=HPUX@h193110.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 08.35.28 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.35.28 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.37.06 # sharpe: Well, I never said he can't have one. Just that there are rules to it. 08.37.06 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.37.43 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.38.16 # true, but he no longer has hopes for an automatically recieved artist tag... 08.38.30 # Aaah 08.41.31 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.41.31 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.42.27 Quit dongs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.42.27 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.42.33 Join jborn_ [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-2-255-90.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 08.42.38 Quit jborn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.43.40 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.46.58 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 08.47.57 Quit Parak ("...") 08.54.27 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB00B35.ipt.aol.com) 08.54.28 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.57.54 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 08.58.31 Part Paul_The_Nerd 08.58.31 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.00.15 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 09.02.02 Quit Snyper (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.11.53 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.11.57 # bloody hell converting the menu system is boring :p 09.12.09 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 09.12.33 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.14.25 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-224-245.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 09.21.38 Quit Crackerizer ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 09.23.05 # JdGordon: Converting it to what? 09.24.56 # JdGordon: Things like timeouts should stay as they were: a single value that changes. I'm not fond of have a list of 30 numbers show up for things like brighness. 09.25.06 Join root [0] (n=root@58.181.184.220) 09.25.27 # San^3 had joined rockbox 09.25.38 # San^3 has left rockbox 09.26.12 Nick root is now known as Crackerizer (n=root@58.181.184.220) 09.26.25 # jhMikeS: reworking the menu system to amek it easier to add and move options around.. and hopefulyl shirnk the size a bit 09.26.57 # JdGordon: The settings stuff and their arrays have to be consolidated big time IMO 09.27.23 # i have a thread in the dev mailing list which isnt getting much attention that shows qwhat im doing 09.27.26 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.27.49 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 09.28.04 # I'll give a peek... 09.28.21 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 09.29.05 # JdGordon: are you going to recode the menu system?? 09.29.20 # in the process of.. 09.29.29 # for the moent im not touchthe order 09.32.01 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A47E29.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.32.25 # menus should be in a directory heirarchy of folders and c files perhaps representing the RB heirarchy 09.32.33 # ?? 09.32.46 Quit dongs_ (Remote closed the connection) 09.33.05 # 100% agree 09.33.26 # or at least not all mashed together in settings_menu.c like it is now 09.33.27 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-2-255-208.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 09.33.42 # How do you have things like the backlight timeouts and it's value array kept together so you only have to look in one place to see all related data? 09.33.45 # and functions 09.34.16 # something like this.... 09.34.18 # All setting should have #defined mins, maxs, and defaults too. No hardcoded numbers 09.34.26 # static bool sort_file(void) 09.34.26 # { 09.34.26 # int oldval = global_settings.sort_file; 09.34.26 # bool ret; 09.34.26 # static const struct opt_items names[] = { 09.34.27 *** Alert Mode level 1 09.34.27 # { STR(LANG_SORT_ALPHA) }, 09.34.29 # { STR(LANG_SORT_DATE) }, 09.34.31 # { STR(LANG_SORT_DATE_REVERSE) }, 09.34.33 # { STR(LANG_SORT_TYPE) } 09.34.35 # }; 09.34.37 # ret = set_option( str(LANG_SORT_FILE), &global_settings.sort_file, INT, 09.34.39 # names, 4, NULL ); 09.34.41 # if (global_settings.sort_file != oldval) 09.34.43 # reload_directory(); /* force reload if this has changed */ 09.34.45 # return ret; 09.34.47 # } 09.34.49 # MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL(sort_file_item, ID2P(LANG_SORT_FILE), sort_file); 09.34.53 # and then add sort_fiule_item to any menu you want 09.34.57 # although, thats a bad example 09.35.25 # What about the config block stuff? 09.36.19 # ideally it would all be merged.. but not likely.. 09.36.25 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 09.36.33 # uh 09.36.52 # { STR(...), MIN, MAX, DEF, bits, structure member, name, "on,off...", { -1, 0, 5, 10, 15 } } 09.37.43 # I consolidated a bunch of audio format data into one structure 09.37.54 # The bits stuff will go when switching to .cfg files 09.38.05 # and only store relative paths for codecs... 09.38.17 # Why did they ever do the sector thing? 09.38.39 Join dongs [0] (n=HPUX@h193110.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 09.38.46 # (1) KISS (2) (real reason) Settings were stored before the file system had write support 09.39.07 # ahh 09.39.24 # The sector has some advantages (which are nowadays outweighted by the disadvantages) 09.39.34 # KISS turned in complication as is common in life 09.39.35 # - fast saving 09.40.18 # chendo: thank you. 09.40.19 # :) 09.40.28 # - small size, so the same format can be shared with small non-disk settings storage devices 09.40.37 # i'm running on a virtual machine. 09.40.39 # oh why not put them in flash? Wasting all that memory on x5 09.40.40 # ;o 09.40.44 # still 09.40.45 # (read: the CMOS RAM in the archos recorders' RTC) 09.40.52 # you need to secure your modem ;p 09.41.24 # 44 bytes 09.41.35 # you did hack into my system, didnt you? -_-' :) 09.41.46 # It's a pain to add new settings boy 09.41.50 # i wouldn't call it hacking ;p 09.41.55 # but i'm looking at your modem configuration page 09.41.59 # so yeah, you might want to secure it;p 09.42.34 # jhMikeS: ?? 09.42.44 # :0 09.42.46 # Imho adding new settings is quite simple 09.42.55 # I'm working at at. 09.42.58 # it 09.43.05 # k 09.43.13 # The only thing the current settings system is clearly lacking is clearly defined boundaries 09.43.24 # amiconn: it involes too many places and files for something imo 09.43.25 # night. 09.43.29 Quit sharpe ("Leaving") 09.43.45 # jhMikeS: if you only want to add a setting that cant be changed by menus its simple... 09.43.50 # amiconn: that's part of it...it's just one huge lump now 09.44.28 *** Alert Mode OFF 09.44.32 # JdGordon: But most seem to involve the user with menus 09.44.43 # thats what im working on :p 09.44.51 Quit Crackerizer ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 09.44.51 # Using a .cfg file for all settings and only using the binary format for status info (in RTC for archos recorders, eeprom on irivers, and a small binary file where none of these special storages exist) is a goal 09.44.57 # JdGordon: Yeah it should hardly be any more difficult 09.45.12 # An important thing is to keep the number of disk spinups down 09.45.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.45.57 # The current settings system delays the saving of the config sector until the next spinup (triggered for other purposes, like loading tracks etc), or until shutdown 09.46.12 # Load what you have to have in RAM in RAM...as I supposed it attempted already but there really is just one big settings structure anyway. just load it once. 09.46.19 # This is simple since it's a single sector, the ATA driver has a buffer for it 09.46.21 Join Crackerizer [0] (n=root@58.181.184.220) 09.46.32 # The status info changes quite often 09.47.14 # chendo: could you try that again? 09.47.14 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.47.42 # All parts of the system should have access to the settings directly instead of caching it locally in a static var unless abolutely nescessary. 09.47.45 # Crackerizer, better now, but it's best to block the ports entirely 09.47.58 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 09.48.04 # With a .cfg file, the simple sector buffering method is no longer possible, so we need a way to register functions to be executed at spinup (or preferably, before spindown, after the action originally triggering the spinup has been executed) 09.48.42 # jhMikeS: application code can access global settings directly. Firmware code must not do this 09.48.42 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.49.16 # amiconn: I find it annoying 09.49.27 # For what MUST it not? 09.50.01 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 09.50.44 # There seems no be no shortage of code that would not be hurt...the not absolutely nescessary cases. 09.50.56 # Backlight settings for instance. 09.50.57 # Well, firmware code is firmware code, and there should be a clean layer of abstraction 09.51.00 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.51.13 # chendo: thank you. i never look at those settings because i don't think anyone will interest at me. but i've changed my mind now. :) 09.51.41 # Otherwise we'd end up in a mess before long. Don't forget that rockbox is truly multiplatform. 09.51.48 # Crackerizer, heh :P 09.51.59 # It adds bulk and complication there's nothing really clean about it sometimes 09.52.29 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 09.52.30 # If in backlight.c I access global settings for timeout, what's the deal? How bout layered settings then? 09.53.40 # The deal is e.g. that applications can now change the backlight operation for special purposes w/o touching the global settings 09.54.20 # I agree that the interaction is sometimes messy, e.g. in the backlight case 09.55.40 # I see what you did in mpegplayer if that's what you mean 09.55.43 # For backlight, both apps and firmware need to know the possible (special) values. backlight.c should take a simple timeout value in seconds (with the special cases 0 == always off and -1 == always on), and the rest handled in the app layer 09.56.24 # I hate all those parallel array lying around 09.56.36 # The -1 woul deven simplify things - if the timeout is interpreted as unsigned, -1 would be very very long, i.e. always on, without special measures 09.57.08 # jhMikeS: Yes, but as I just explained, the parallel arrays aren't necessary, and do indeed complicate things 09.57.10 # could be...negative values could be used for special behavior 09.57.42 # amiconn: yes indeed they do...you have to be careful to get everything updated in a load of files 09.58.27 # So I'd like the firmware layer to keep its settings functions, and not access global settings directly, but the mapping (i.e. special arrays) have to be removed from firmware/ 09.58.42 # Having it just take the timeout would get rid of that but that's how it's done now so I had to chime in and add the LCD Off values that way too :) 09.59.46 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 09.59.46 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.00.06 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 18 minutes at the last flood 10.00.06 # * JdGordon is 80% done with the lcd settings menus :' this is soo slow and tedious 10.00.06 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.01.12 # JdGordon: what are you doing to it>? 10.01.28 # mutilating it! 10.01.47 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.01.49 # amiconn: I'm just wonder about something where it doesn't make sense to have every value in the "continuum" 10.02.07 # ? 10.02.24 # Like sampling rate or what not. You know 22050,44100,48000 10.02.25 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 10.02.45 # Hmm 10.02.53 # Samplerate is a problematic example 10.03.10 # amiconn: that why I mention it. :) 10.03.12 # Not all platforms support all values, _and_ they aren't continuous 10.03.39 # There are 9 standard samplerates 10.04.12 # Archos supports all of them (and with tricks, even non-standard ones are possible for pcm when we integrate the codec) 10.04.38 # Iriver and X5 only support 11025 / 22050 / 44100 10.05.11 Quit dongs (Remote closed the connection) 10.05.15 # The ipods will support the standard rates in varying combinations (depending on the audiocodec) 10.05.54 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@cor6-ppp2383.for.dsl.connect.net.au) 10.07.13 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@rockbox/developer/Bger) 10.09.07 # amiconn: can't set the CPU to accept others? The codec will take more. 10.09.15 # nope 10.09.18 # No way. 10.09.42 # The coldfire i2s clock is locked to the xtal clock 10.09.46 # how's the pitch screen work? 10.09.54 # Software resampling 10.10.39 # (on swcodec of course) 10.11.14 # On archos, we use a very special trick for pitch - telling the MAS that it has a different xtal than it actually has 10.12.07 # What happens if I set the TLV320 to 48000? :) 10.12.22 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-141-166.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.12.54 # It will produce somewhat distorted sound 10.13.49 # What manual section deals with this? 10.13.54 # for coldfire? 10.14.14 # Section 17 10.14.42 # Btw, I recommend the MCF5249 manual, at least for looking up sections 10.15.08 # The bookmark list shows the actual section names instead of just "Section NN" 10.15.25 # The section numbering is identical with teh SCF5250 10.16.46 Quit Crackerizer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.17.31 Join Crackerizer [0] (n=root@58.181.184.39) 10.19.34 Quit Hideo ("tada") 10.19.34 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.19.59 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.22.11 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-b126552.alshamil.net.ae) 10.22.11 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.22.46 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.25.04 # Can rockbox turn ipod to sleep mode? 10.25.04 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.25.08 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.25.27 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 10.26.03 Join DarthLappy [0] (n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine) 10.30.06 Quit barrywardell () 10.31.59 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.31.59 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.32.59 # Crackerizer, Define "Sleep mode" 10.32.59 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.33.31 Part pixelma 10.33.56 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.34.38 # Ribs: it likes when you select "sleep" menu in original ipod firmware. 10.34.52 # yeah, I don't know what that does 10.34.55 # I never used that function 10.35.12 # rockbox will power off the ipod after a while or being idle, if that's what you mean 10.35.17 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.35.41 # and when you turn it back on, you can just press play to make it load up the last song you were listening to 10.36.11 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.38.37 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.38.37 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.40.34 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.40.34 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.40.47 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.44.04 # Ribs: yes, rockbox will turn an ipod of after a while. but can i turn it off when needed? 10.44.04 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.44.11 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.44.22 # Crackerizer, yes. Press and hold the play button for a few seconds 10.44.28 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.44.28 # then you'll see 'shutting down' come on the screen 10.46.19 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.49.12 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.49.12 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.49.34 # ribs: that will restart the ipod, not turn it off. 10.49.34 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.49.42 # Crackerizer, no, that turns it off 10.49.56 # I use my rockbox'd ipod every day... the stuff I use, I know how to use.. 10.50.41 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.56.54 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.56.55 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.58.02 # ribs: what is your model? 10.58.02 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.58.16 # Video 10.59.07 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 10.59.38 # ribs: oh, yes, the ipod is turned off now. i tried to turn it off while changing. 10.59.44 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.59.50 # thank you ribs. 10.59.50 # \o/ 10.59.53 # No problem. 11.00.11 # ribs: do you have the menu-delay problem with your 5g? 11.00.24 # define "menu delay" 11.01.25 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 11.01.37 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 11.01.45 # when you change the menu between items, it doesn change instantly. 11.02.14 # ah... Press "menu".. goto: General Settings -> Display -> LCD settings -> First Keypress Enables Backlight Only. turn that off 11.02.39 # then General Settings -> Playback -> Fade on Stop/Pause .. turn that off as well 11.05.57 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.08.04 # ribs: does not work here but thanks anyway. 11.08.11 # mine is 3g. 11.08.16 # hrm 11.08.23 # maybe your 3g is just a bit too slow 11.08.33 # rockbox will improve it's ipod port in time, we just have to be patient 11.08.41 # :) 11.14.03 Part Paul_The_Nerd 11.17.25 Join ootput [0] (n=ootput@tor/regular/five0) 11.17.49 # jhMikeS: The MCF5249 - SCF5250 manual section equivalence only holds up to section 18. Section 19 of SCF5250.pdf describes the internal boot rom which doesn't exist on MCF5249. So all further sections are shifted by 1 11.17.53 # is there a list of battery types for the ipod platform? I'm trying to configure rockbox on my 1st gen mini to display the right scale 11.19.13 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 11.21.15 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 11.23.14 Join ni1s [0] (n=ni1s@1-1-4-36a.dre.sth.bostream.se) 11.25.13 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 11.26.22 # amiconn: where is the shutdown function you need fixing? 11.26.51 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 11.28.07 # dw, found it 11.29.13 # screens.c shutdow_screen iirc 11.29.17 # But gtg, bbl 11.29.20 Part amiconn 11.29.41 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-102-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.30.45 # does anyone in here have the recorder? 11.31.08 # ? 11.31.14 # archos one? 11.31.15 # the archos recorder 11.31.29 # yep 11.33.16 # daurn|laptop: do u have it? 11.33.39 # no 11.37.33 Join bytie [0] (n=zic@p548C8C92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.37.56 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 11.38.02 Join scorche`` [0] (n=scorche@208-110-158-136.customer.csolutions.net) 11.40.22 Nick scorche`` is now known as scorche (n=scorche@208-110-158-136.customer.csolutions.net) 11.45.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.46.19 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@140.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 11.53.51 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h8n8c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 11.55.07 # do we want this fixed? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6047.0 11.58.36 # haha 11.58.58 # i _tihnk_ ive fixed it.. waiting for sim to finish building to test 11.59.47 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 12.00.47 # nope... that didnt fix it... ill keep trying :p 12.01.25 # im sure keeping ritesh from cheating on one of our games is high priority too! 12.02.10 Quit lorijho ("leaving") 12.02.14 # thats what i rekon! 12.02.25 Join belze_ [0] (i=nifty@dslb-088-073-246-092.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.04.35 Join tongas [0] (n=moi@d213-103-222-175.cust.tele2.fr) 12.05.41 Quit bytie (Remote closed the connection) 12.08.15 Join Farpenoodle [0] (n=solo84@60.49.99.38) 12.08.15 # how often do you guys implement cvs dailies on your ipods? 12.08.37 # cvs builds, or daily builds? 12.08.41 # (two different things) 12.09.33 # It really depends on what's been going on. If there's a change or fix that affects me, I update, if not, I don't. It's very much inconsistent. 12.09.36 # the ones documented at http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20060827.html 12.10.13 # Those are all the changes in the most recent daily build. 12.10.20 # So, you mean "daily builds" and not "cvs builds" 12.10.30 # ootput: why do you want to know btw? 12.10.34 # as i said.. 12.10.38 # okay, i assumed dailies were built from cvs commits 12.10.38 # In which case, I'd wager most people in this channel don't use dailies. 12.10.46 # Dailies are built from CVS commits. Once per day 12.10.50 # AKA daily 12.10.57 # CVS builds are built once per commit. 12.11.04 # ah, i see 12.11.26 # Paul_The_Nerd: do u rekon i fix the bug int he forum thread i mentioned above? or leave it? 12.12.14 # JdGordon: It may as well be fixed. 12.12.31 # I always wonder why people think "dailies" are updated more than once per day. 12.12.42 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@HSE-Toronto-ppp301395.sympatico.ca) 12.13.37 Join Massa [0] (n=Massa@85.220.132.199) 12.14.35 # Hi everybody! 12.15.06 # safetydan, are you back from holidays? How was it? 12.17.45 Join bluebrother [0] (i=2RfwIK5b@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.18.38 # JdGordon, is this task still valid? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/4860 12.19.11 # it shuold be fixed... 12.19.24 Quit belze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.19.58 # for those of you who have compiled rockbox on debian, where can i find the arm-elf-gcc binary? apt-cache/file doesn't reveal its whereabouts 12.19.58 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.20.16 # you have tobuild it yourself 12.20.23 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.20.34 # rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 12.20.48 # thanks 12.23.04 # Paul_The_Nerd: wtf??? "most time online" 12.23.04 # 12.23.04 # Llorean 63d 23h 11m 12.23.09 # :O 12.23.19 Quit ootput ("leaving") 12.23.22 # Are recursive function calls allowed and feasible in rockbox? 12.23.28 # yes 12.23.39 # just be careful because of the smallish stack 12.23.45 # 8kb or something rediculous 12.23.45 Join ootput [0] (n=ootput@tor/regular/five0) 12.24.58 # What will be put on stack when calling a function? The parameters to the function and the return address? Or other things, too? 12.24.58 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.25.21 # local variables 12.25.26 # also any variables in the function, and other house keeping stuff 12.25.30 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.25.57 # JdGordon: Quite often I leave a browser window open to the page while I'm doing other stuff. Ever time I refresh it, that's essentially another 15 minutes added to my online time. 12.26.05 # So having a big character array inside a function is not a good idea?! ;) 12.26.10 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.26.30 # Paul_The_Nerd: suuure you do... /me looks at Paul's nick :p 12.26.44 # Massa: yes, but if you can make it static then its fine 12.27.52 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.28.10 # Massa: depending on why you are recursing, it can be very simple to change it to iterative 12.28.14 # That's difficult when I want to call a function recursively and use their own variables (which of course shall not affect the callers variables). 12.28.19 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.28.43 # It's again wps parsing - for coditionals. 12.28.49 # ah 12.29.13 # is the recursive function finished? paste it and we might be able to change it to a loop? 12.29.47 # Massa, yo. Holidays were good. Great skiing in New Zealand :) 12.30.07 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.30.08 # Their parameters may contain other tags, which also have to be parsed, wich also may contain conditionals, which also may contain other tags... 12.30.33 # Bagder: can you temp ban San^3 untill his net is working a bit better? 12.30.47 # JdGordon: no, the recursive function has not be written - I'm still thinking about the best way to do it ;) 12.30.53 # ah 12.31.40 # safetydan: Oh! It's currently winter at your place? We're supposed to have summertime now - although it's more like spring ;) 12.31.58 # do it recursivly and then see how bad it is... you might be lucky :p 12.32.19 # Well technically it's winter here, but today it was 28 degrees so... 12.33.38 # JdGordon: I don't want to do it recursively - if there's a better way... 12.33.47 # hey 12.33.51 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.33.53 # any admin here? 12.34.20 # what kind of admin? 12.34.24 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.34.30 # Massa: can you just work from the inside out? or not that simple? 12.34.54 Quit DarthLappy ("leaving") 12.34.56 # safetydan: well, actually 28 degrees (celcius of course) _should_ be our summertime temperature - but currently it's raining and having about 15 degrees... 12.34.56 # linuxstb_: a patch to move one of the ipod targets to target tree: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890 12.35.07 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.35.25 # linuxstb_: and he's willing to also port the other ipods (but can't test them of course) 12.35.26 # JdGordon: what do you mean? Go to the inner tag/token, parse it and go back? 12.35.33 # ye 12.35.36 # one who knows about neuros etc 12.35.47 # safetydan: you could join our discussion - it's about WPS parsing ;) 12.35.54 # daurn|laptop: ask Bagder 12.36.05 # ah, conditional tokens parsing... 12.36.10 # * daurn|laptop badger's badger 12.36.19 # - whats his current nick? 12.36.19 # bagder, not badger. 12.36.23 # massa: current conditional parser isn't recursive. Maybe that can help... 12.36.25 # He's not here right now. 12.36.41 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.36.43 # doesn't he change his name 12.36.49 # He was here 10 mins ago 12.37.01 # Oh, wait, he's here 12.37.02 # does someone know of a method to convert graphical equalizer presets to parametric? 12.37.04 # I just read right past it. 12.37.07 # safetydan: Yeah, I used your parsing code as base for another one ;) 12.37.29 # bluebrother: Wouldn't it kinda depend on what the graphical EQ used for Q? 12.37.30 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.37.40 # safetydan: but I have some problems in handling the conditionals (not to talk about sublines which I didn't have a look at) 12.38.12 # Paul_The_Nerd, sure, but it should be possible to guess that 12.38.53 # the bigger problem is the fact that the number of channels isn't equal. 12.39.15 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.39.24 # safetydan: each argument of a conditional may also be a sequence of tags/tokens with own parameters... 12.39.42 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.39.43 # Massa, yup... just reading through the code again 12.40.28 # safetydan: so the easy "just jump over the appropriate number of '|' to find the correct argument" will not work 12.41.35 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.41.53 # massa: you need to consider the current conditional level, which is pretty much what skip_conditional does. 12.43.15 # Lear: what about tags which also have parameters? skip_conditional would not work for that! 12.43.29 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 12.43.51 # Massa, at the tokenizer level I don't think you really need to worry about it do you? 12.43.52 # massa: you mean like %xl ? 12.44.08 # Bagder? - you here? - will you resond 12.44.33 # daurn|laptop: just ask. He will respond later. 12.44.33 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.44.39 # Lear: theoretically yes, but %xl must be on its own line... 12.45.00 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.45.13 Join lorijho [0] (n=lorijho@host-85-27-71-121.brutele.be) 12.45.23 # safetydan: what do you mean "you don't need to worry about"? Why not? 12.45.43 # Massa: Hm... Current syntax doesn't support that kind of tag in a conditional, obviously, so do you need to worry about it? 12.47.46 # who knows about firmware/drivers/ata.c ? 12.48.03 # Massa, Well you're just tokenizing the WPS string not parsing it as such 12.48.03 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.48.16 # Lear: it does not? :-S That means, that the album art tag is not well designed - it would need it ;) 12.48.35 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.48.45 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.48.45 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.49.21 # Massa: No, how could it? The conditional uses "|" as separator, so a tag inside a conditional cannot use it (at least not directly). 12.49.49 # You can display a "|" by writing it as a "%|" (I think, at least... :) ) 12.50.36 # Lear: it could use it - if the parsing would know about it (and then a real parsing of the sub-tags would be needed) 12.50.37 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.51.17 # Massa: That would make it uneccessarily complex, imho... 12.51.25 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.51.51 # Lear: I don't think that "%|" will work inside a conditional - as fas as I remember skip_conditionals does not distinguish between "|" and "%|" 12.52.52 # Lear: I think you're right - if the album cover tag is the only one who needs it - it _has_ to be changed. 12.54.13 Part ootput 12.54.44 # Massa: Maybe not, but it should be possible to display e.g. a "|" by writing "%|" in the WPS... 12.55.24 # Any suggestion for the album cover tags? I think about a "%Cl" for definition (similar to "%xl") and "%C" (similar to "%xd") to display it. 12.56.24 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.56.24 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.57.49 Join ScoTTie_ [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 12.57.49 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.57.51 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.57.57 Quit ScoTTie_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.58.42 # or "%Cl|c|x|y|maxwidth|maxheight|" for definition of the album cover of the current title and "%Cl|n|x|y|maxwidth|maxheight|" for the next title 12.58.49 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 12.59.02 Part Paul_The_Nerd 12.59.26 # and "%Cc" to display the album cover of the current title and "%Cn" to display the album cober of the next title. 12.59.50 # and "%?Cc" / "%?Cn" for the conditionals 13.00.42 # Massa: if you only keep the tokens in memory the wps format could perhaps be changed to something more readable 13.00.42 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.01.12 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965CB8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.01.29 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.01.37 # safetydan: are you still reading your code? Don't you understand it any longer ;)? 13.02.37 # Massa, I understand it, just not sure why I stopped writing it. Must have been something to cause me to pause at that level 13.03.12 # markun: yes only the tokens will be kept in memory - but I'm not sure if a changed WPS syntax will be accepted :) 13.03.37 # we also changed the language file format to somethings more readable.. 13.03.45 # how do u typedef a function type? 13.04.00 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 13.04.00 # hi 13.04.08 Quit Siku (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.04.08 NSplit sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.04.08 Quit Slasheri (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.04.08 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.04.27 # safetydan: interested in my code? Or better in my road works code ;) 13.04.59 # markun: that's something different, it only affected developers. Changing wps code would affect users as well! 13.05.16 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.05.16 # Massa, don't have time to look at it in detail at the moment, nearly time for me to go to sleep :) 13.05.17 NHeal sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.05.17 NJoin Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 13.05.17 NJoin Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 13.05.25 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.05.37 # Maybe attach a patch to the FS#4826 13.05.38 # JdGordon: e.g. "typedef int (*wps_parse_func)( int a, int b);" 13.06.36 # then use is as "wps_parse_func func"? 13.06.37 # safetydan: I will - but it's far from being finished! It needs a lot more work. 13.06.53 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.07.29 # JdGordon: yes - and then you could call it with "func( a, b );" 13.07.34 # ta 13.08.17 # safetydan: how late is it on your site (you're in Australia - aren't you?) 1AM? 13.08.18 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.08.44 # Massa, not quite 1am :) We're only UTC+10 so 21:08 is the local time 13.08.53 # have to get up early for work 13.09.20 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.09.42 # safetydan: actually 21:00h is no time to go to bed - only my children have to :P 13.10.17 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.11.14 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 13.11.14 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.11.40 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.14.01 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.14.01 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.16.21 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.16.22 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.17.51 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD2965.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.18.39 # amiconn: am i correct to assume ata_perform_sleep is called before the disk actually spins down? 13.19.45 Part juxtap 13.20.27 # ata_perform_sleep() _is_ what makes the disk spin down 13.20.35 # oh good :) 13.20.56 # im having a go at adding the callback function thingy there.. 13.21.14 # After that, the ide power is optionally cut (2 seconds later or so) - if the target hw supports it and the option is enabled 13.21.43 # Thing is, we might want more than one registerable callback 13.22.04 # well i have an aray of 3 atm.. 13.22.10 # #define MAX_ATA_CALLBACKS 3 13.22.18 # 2 or 3 should be sufficient 13.22.27 # freqmod: you here? 13.22.34 # But adding it in the ata code has drawbacks. 13.22.35 # a callback is bool()(void), if any return true then the disk is not spun down, but all are always run 13.22.58 # it wouldnt slow it down enoug to be noticable would it? 13.23.04 # For instance, there's more than one implementation of the ata function set 13.23.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp154-164.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.23.29 # ? ata.c is always used isnt it? 13.23.30 # An app would only register a callback if there's work to do 13.23.34 # nope 13.23.41 # Ondios use ata_mmc.c 13.23.49 # iFP7xx uses ata_flash.c 13.24.18 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 13.24.28 # ...and there might be more interfaces in the future (e.g. usbotg) 13.24.34 # Okay, I think the forums are "fixed" finally 13.24.35 # hmm... as for registering... I was doing it so a function would register on init and if it had something to do it would do it, otherwise it would qwuit quickly 13.27.30 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.27.30 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.27.50 # amiconn: what about just making a new file in firmware/ for this and have each ata_ file call it? 13.29.28 # Hmm, perhaps 13.29.28 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.29.40 # Adding the callback in ata_perform_sleep() is probably bad 13.29.45 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.29.56 # (1) It doesn't exist on every platform 13.30.30 # (2) The ata thread isn't aware of more accesses happening "silently" and may cut the power while the disk is being accessed -> BAD 13.31.36 # 1: each platform would stick the call where it works best for that platform.. 2: i was doing it before the mutex, which i assume would get rid of that problem 13.31.36 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.31.53 # .. or my logic is wrong and it makes it worse :p 13.32.17 Join San^3 [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.32.32 # Imho the ata thread (or equivalent) needs to handle it - which needs some work on the flash platforms as there isn't even a thread for it, or the thread has a different purpose 13.34.40 # This is also necessary to keep the correct operation of normal sleep timeout vs. Q_SLEEP 13.34.48 # it looks like it can go in the ata thread easily (for ata.c targets).. 13.35.18 # hmm 13.35.26 # im correct in assuming that if the callback functon does anything the last_disk|user_activity variables would be updated yeah? 13.38.26 Quit San^3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.40.44 # preglow: yes 13.41.03 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54875F5B.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.41.06 Quit ni1s (Remote closed the connection) 13.41.20 # * freqmod wasn't looking at konversation because he is woring on fixing his email server 13.41.34 # freqmod: did you remove much code from speex? 13.42.08 # w(here)tf is Bagder 13.42.18 # well, what is much, I have emptied some fuctions 13.42.30 # freqmod: i'm just doing a diff between 21.06 svn and your code, and there seems to be quite a bit missing 13.42.32 # however the function declarations are still there 13.43.14 # myeah, i see 13.43.44 # svn has not changed since my last diff 13.43.51 # AFAIK 13.43.53 # oh, it has 13.44.32 # has it? , I did a 'svn diff' just now and it didn't give me any more differences that i have made 13.45.19 # so you have synced against speex svn since 21.06 ? 13.45.21 # AFAIK svn diff (if it's the same as cvs) just tells you your local changes compared to the version of cvs you've checked out. Not the changes other people have checked in. 13.45.32 # ok 13.45.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.46.53 # linuxstb_: do you know about dm320? 13.46.53 # however my only changes to the speex code are a lookuptable for exp in sb_celp.c sterio.c misc.c/h, arch.c/h and math_approx.c/h (except removing code) 13.48.40 # can i add a very simple thread for fake ata to the sim? 13.50.37 # btw, why did you remove the functions? 13.50.46 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 13.50.50 # just asking because i don't want any unnecessary changes 13.50.56 # i'd like to sync agains svn as easily as possible 13.51.01 # just to save code space and to remove the sin functions 13.51.07 # restore them if you want 13.51.36 # or i could do it in my tree, but then you'll have to merge your optimalizations 13.51.49 Join [San] [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 13.51.50 # i haven't done any opts yet 13.51.56 # i want to commit it first 13.53.35 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.53.55 # * freqmod is syncing speex to svn (as similar as possible) 13.54.02 # goodie 13.56.04 # * freqmod got an include loop ;/ 14.00.05 # is there an include file that is always included? 14.00.05 Quit [San] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.00.22 Join [San] [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 14.00.25 # daurn|laptop: No. 14.00.26 # i think arch.h is included very many places 14.01.53 # freqmod: looks like only misc.h includes it 14.02.40 # many files include misc.c 14.02.45 # ok 14.08.43 # you mean .h? 14.10.40 # indeed 14.14.31 Quit lorijho ("leaving") 14.15.18 Join Coldtoast [0] (n=me@ppp105-175.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 14.15.33 # howdy all 14.17.41 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 14.17.54 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 14.18.26 # preglow: now i have nearly synced it, however i miss the following functions for encoding: log,fabs,floor,pow 14.18.35 # no wonder 14.18.38 # they're libm 14.19.11 # should i link a libm, make palceholder functions or something else? 14.19.43 # after having run rb on my iriver for, god, almost a year and a half an then buying this Nano, I'm stoked rb is usable on the nano 14.19.53 # freqmod: i can't think of anything better than making placeholders 14.19.55 # i think i make empty functions, at least temporary 14.19.58 # it should be fixed point one day anyway 14.22.25 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.25.16 # where's the nano WPS gallery? 14.26.44 # Coldtoast, check the wiki 14.26.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano 14.26.55 # cheers. just found it. heh 14.26.58 # ok, fixed will upload soom 14.29.45 # uploaded http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsync.tar.bz2 unzip in apps/codecs (includes only the libspeex directory) 14.29.52 # I had to edit a few headers too 14.30.05 # speex_types.h + a few include paths 14.31.16 # placeholders in math_approx.c/h 14.31.22 # goodie 14.31.54 # the include files from svn:/trunk/speex/include/speex are in libspeex/speex 14.34.43 # * JdGordon just mde rockbox impossibly unstable! 14.35.40 # I've somehow disabled ata spinup ! 14.39.24 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d02v-89-83-252-238.d4.club-internet.fr) 14.40.45 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 14.43.16 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 14.44.28 # JdGordon: what are you working on atm ? :D 14.44.44 # random useless stuff :p 14.44.58 # trying to get a callback thingy happening before the disk spins down... 14.45.06 # all i have managed to do is kill the ata driver! :D 14.45.44 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A735C.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.46.00 # amiconn: still around? 14.46.02 # JdGordon: :D 14.55.47 Quit Coldtoast () 14.59.29 # hmm... do i have to do anything else other than adding a new file to firmware/SOURCES for it to not crash? i seem to be able to crash the ata(?) thread without doing anything other than adding a new file to the build (the functions in the file are not even called and it crashes) 14.59.39 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 15.00.26 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 15.03.54 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.09.20 # * JdGordon is starting to worry... copying over a cvs rockbox.iriver isnt stopping this freesing 15.09.37 # clearing the settings doesnt help either 15.11.23 # JdGordon: does the original firmware work? 15.11.44 # checking... 15.12.01 # yep, it works 15.13.13 # JdGordon: mutilating it how?! 15.14.27 # midkay: that wasint in reply to 6 hours ago was it? 15.14.35 # it was. i forgot about you. 15.14.42 # haha 15.14.45 # you didn't address me in your reply and as such I just remembered asking. 15.14.45 # :) 15.15.02 # haha oh well 15.15.46 # JdGordon: so it _must_ be something wrong with your build... 15.15.49 # "oh well"? :) 15.16.41 # Massa: wierd.. cvs build works fine.. mine doesnt 15.16.46 # my gcc must still be fubar 15.17.10 # Tried 'make clean' first? 15.17.48 # 5 or 6 times 15.18.13 # odd.... 15.18.13 # also did a new configure? 15.18.31 # Do you have other changes than the ata callback stuff? 15.19.29 # ok, very wierd... it all seems to be working again.. 15.19.41 # now time to re-add the ata stuff and see what happens 15.21.53 # well that apears to be a massive waste of 30min... 15.23.17 # amiconn: i tihnk it actually works! 15.24.02 # i've got it sayin "about to sleep" before it sleeps 15.24.40 # The question is whether it still works if the callback is doing further disk operations 15.25.17 # I tend to think we shouldn't wait until before spindown, but instead call the callbacks after the first access, like the delayed sector is handled now 15.25.30 # will a quick read be enough to test it? 15.26.04 # wouldnt that be calling it more often than at spindown? 15.26.25 # The callback should be called once, then cleared 15.27.06 # If the app registering it has more things to do, it should re-register 15.27.44 # ok, once we know this works that can be fixed 15.31.02 # for the sim, ive made a dummy thread to just trigger it evey 2min.. 15.31.13 # freqmod: are the extra files something that's popped up in svn recently? 15.32.01 # test*, smallft.*, vorbispsy.* 15.32.08 Part Paul_The_Nerd 15.32.59 # no, some of them are files releated to encoding which i removed when they wasn't called after i removed the contents of the encoding functions 15.33.10 # the test files are test programs 15.33.53 # think i'll delete those again 15.34.42 # vorbispsy is psycoacustic coding based on ogg vorbis 15.35.09 # small fl is a Fast Fourier transform library, for encoding 15.35.20 Join San [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 15.36.24 Quit [San] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.38.45 Join Siimors [0] (i=Siimors@85.234.180.112) 15.40.39 # i'll leave those in 15.41.14 # that would be best, if somebody sometime in the future wanted to make a encoding plugin 15.43.07 # it really does spout a lot of warnings, though 15.43.43 # hm, does anyone know something for kde like "the windows' 2 traffic pc-s in the taskbar" ? 15.43.45 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54BCF04B.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.44.10 # amiconn: hmm.. it crashes if you access the hdd in the callback.. which defeats the purpose :p 15.44.46 # which is a bit odd... because shouldnt last_user_activity and/or last_disk_activity be updated in the calls to open() ? 15.44.53 # Hmm. Did you implement the callback-in-ata-access? 15.45.08 # im about to.. 15.45.22 # If you did, the callback needs to unregister itself - _before_ actually calling it 15.45.36 # Otherwise it would trap itself in an endless loop 15.45.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.46.05 # The callback would call the ata function, which would call the callback .... 15.46.20 # preprocess.h: #include to #include "math_approx.h" helps a bit 15.46.49 # and in fftwrap.c and kiss_fft.c 15.47.39 # amiconn: ok, fixed so that wont happen... where in ata.c does it go? 15.48.34 # there's a bunch of parameters in speex.c that's also only used in LOGFs 15.48.36 # and give warnings 15.48.41 # ata_write_sectors and ata_read_sectors, at the end 15.48.48 # since LOGF reduces to nothing in normal builds 15.49.04 # I think this callback mechanism should replace the content of the old ata_flush( 15.49.06 # ) 15.49.32 # ok, when i added math_approx.h i got it down to pseudofloat.h:53:1: warning: "MIN" redefined kiss_fft.c: In function ‘kf_bfly4’: kiss_fft.c:91: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned 15.49.34 # in libspeex 15.50.37 # JdGordon: haha. nice fix of that brickmania "cheat but not really". 15.50.37 # :) 15.50.45 # :) 15.51.00 # i will make an updated package with less warnings 15.51.14 # freqmod: cool 15.51.55 Quit San () 15.52.25 # amiconn: ok, i put the call in ata_flush() and its not crashing/freezing.. but im not sure tis working or not :p 15.54.43 # yes, it works :D 15.54.49 # however all the "unused parameters in libspeex are disabled in the libspeex makefile", as that would mean to change the speex code a lot 15.55.10 Join Coldtoast [0] (n=me@ppp105-175.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 15.55.58 # hey. what capacity is the battery on the ipod nano? 15.56.21 # uploaded (at same adress, includes speex.c too) 15.56.30 Join oxygen77 [0] (n=thomas@vau75-6-82-237-174-211.fbx.proxad.net) 15.56.33 # addr:http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsync.tar.bz2 15.56.39 # (not tested, will do it now) 15.58.14 # codec falue 15.58.17 # *falure 15.58.29 # * JdGordon thinks im gonna need a mutex here... 15.58.47 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.58.52 # * freqmod copied the sim version onto the ipod 16.00.37 # the arm version works on the ipod ;) 16.02.49 # amiconn: its not possible for the ui thread to interupt the ata thread is it? i dont have to worry about functions being added to the callback while we r calling the callback functions.. do i? 16.03.40 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF121.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.04.37 # wot 16.05.46 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as8221.alshamil.net.ae) 16.06.45 # hi ) 16.06.45 # :) 16.06.49 Join [San] [0] (n=San@194.125.52.93) 16.07.15 # I bought Ipod yesterday, and 5 mins ago installed the rockbox, it seems to boot ok, thx guys :))) 16.07.24 # I just need to read know how to get it to play music 16.07.55 # you click on something! 16.13.16 # is it possible for ipodlinux AND rb to coexist on an ipod? 16.13.57 # yes 16.14.39 # how do I set it up? install rb first then run the ipodlinux installer? 16.14.58 # hmmm. actually, that'll wipe the ipod 16.19.58 Join freqmod_n [0] (n=freqmod@140.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 16.21.48 # Is here anyone owner of a dead H300? 16.22.40 # I have a stupid question 16.23.06 # will dark background color consume more battery power? 16.28.46 # Siimors: i doubt it 16.29.16 # Siimors: better lower the backlight brightness 16.29.36 # Rob2222_: do you need any parts / 16.29.42 # yes! 16.29.59 # a dc plug. that part on the PCB solderes. the yellow 16.30.11 # got a really depressive problem :( 16.30.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SpareParts 16.30.34 # wouldn't that be a standard part you could buy at somewhere like ratshack? 16.30.35 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.30.48 # ... do threads not work properly in the sim? 16.30.49 # Rob2222_: that was for u 16.31.00 # Rob2222_: write there under the "Needed" 16.31.15 # s/Needed/Wanted/ 16.31.15 # ic. charge port is already wanted 16.31.15 # Bger: if I turn off the backligt, set backgroud to white, foreground to black, I can still see menus and text and I get the most of my battery, right? 16.31.15 # :( 16.31.16 Nick Rob2222_ is now known as Rob2222 (n=Miranda@ACB00B35.ipt.aol.com) 16.31.34 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as8221.alshamil.net.ae) 16.31.39 # Siimors: yeah 16.31.49 Join evoGage [0] (n=dave@dyn-62-56-115-44.dslaccess.co.uk) 16.31.56 # A girl asked me, if i could assemble a 60gb hd in her H300, both she bought at ebay and sent to me. 16.32.00 # the lcd backlight sucks much more current than the lcd itself, iiuc 16.32.11 # both parts were faulty. (not by me!) 16.32.20 Join ni1s [0] (n=ni1s@1-1-4-36a.dre.sth.bostream.se) 16.32.32 # Rob2222: :( 16.32.35 # then she gave both back and purchased new 16.32.37 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 16.32.42 Quit evoGage (Client Quit) 16.32.50 # and she was here and i assembled 60gb hd 16.32.54 # all fin 16.33.11 # Bger: is there a way to quit some plugins like chess and text-editor 16.33.12 # and then i got hang on the DC cable and the unit fallen from desk 16.33.23 # on the plug. 16.33.23 # coz I dunno how to 16.33.37 # Siimors: what target ? i suppose ipod ? 16.33.39 # and now the charge port of the h300 is broken 16.33.42 # yep 16.34.04 # Rob2222: really bad luck :( 16.34.13 # Siimors: w8 16.34.30 # ok 16.34.30 # yes. :( im normally really carefull with such units. and then this :( 16.35.12 # Siimors: #define CB_QUIT (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_MENU) 16.35.14 # anybody know the battery capacity of the ipod nano? 16.35.42 # Siimors: that is, press SELECT & MENU 16.35.52 # yeah, it restarts the rockbox 16.35.58 # Siimors: huh? 16.36.11 # holding select + menu 16.36.14 # restarts the rockbox 16.36.30 # hm 16.36.40 # hold select and press menu quickly 16.36.43 # or the opposite 16.38.05 # Rob2222: still, try to add another vote for the plug on that page 16.38.35 # Rob2222: also, ask LinusN if he can tell u similar part to the original 16.39.45 # Siimors: tried ? 16.40.20 # yep 16.40.24 # thx it works 16.40.32 # Menu (hold) + select 16.41.02 Quit freqmod_n ("Konversation terminated!") 16.41.07 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.41.32 # np 16.42.27 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@140.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 16.42.45 Quit tongas ("Quitte") 16.43.46 # Bger 16.43.58 Quit Coldtoast (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.43.58 # is there a page for theme downloads? 16.44.57 # bger: thx, will do / did it already 16.46.24 # is 10 euro ok as price for such a plug? 16.46.54 # Rob2222: i doubt it ... 16.47.10 # 30? 16.47.37 # well, ill see 16.49.01 Join mantono [0] (n=mantono@c83-250-204-173.bredband.comhem.se) 16.49.47 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 16.49.58 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF036.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.50.18 # Rob2222: no,i think it should be $1 - $5 .. 16.53.25 Join guillaumh [0] (n=guillaum@4va54-3-82-234-144-30.fbx.proxad.net) 16.53.46 Join Febbs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 16.54.16 # linuxstb_, you around? 16.55.57 # Febbs: I've just arrived... 16.57.49 # this isn't going to make amiconn happy http://www.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=2006-08-27%2014%3A24%3A47&type=FM%20Recorder%20-%20Normal#prob1 16.57.52 # :) 16.58.02 Quit Febs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.58.49 # Mikachu: i bet u're right :D 17.00.00 Join jwhiting [0] (n=jwhiting@71-37-86-142.slkc.qwest.net) 17.02.30 Quit XavierGr () 17.04.20 Nick daurn|laptop is now known as daurn|afk (n=quae@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 17.06.02 Nick Febbs is now known as Febs (n=medifebb@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 17.06.03 # hi all, anyone else having or had trouble getting unicode filenames to show up right on rockbox? 17.06.24 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 17.06.42 # jwhiting - you load the font pack and a unicode compatible font? 17.07.19 # i loaded the fontpack 17.07.20 # jwhiting: what languages are the filenames in? 17.07.27 # traditional chinese 17.07.43 # do I need to make one of my system chinese fonts into a rockbox fnt? 17.07.46 # unifont might have the right glyphs 17.08.07 # unifont is one of the fonts in rockbox-fonts? 17.08.09 # yes 17.08.17 # ok 17.08.29 # Or try this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4878 17.08.32 # all I see is square boxes where the glyphs should be 17.08.44 # thanks I'll check it out 17.10.31 # do I need to change the wps to use the different fonts? 17.10.37 # e.g. to use unifont? 17.10.59 # you might need to 17.11.06 # ok 17.11.32 # just try it 17.12.01 # unicatcher gets them nicely, a bit big. but I'll try this nimbus pack 17.12.22 # thanks very much for your help, I couldn't find anything on the faq or forums about this type of think 17.12.24 # *thing 17.14.07 # not many chinese rockbox users :) 17.16.04 # is there a tool to create language file, or I can just edit lng file? 17.16.21 # Siimors: for new language or ? 17.16.56 # Siimors: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles 17.18.22 # thx 17.19.38 # Siimors: which translation are you interested in? 17.20.49 # Latvian 17.22.40 # Mikachu: Indeed not. It's severely annoying me 17.25.08 Quit sando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.33.01 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-14-53.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.33.42 # Speex (only the libspeex dir vs rockbox speex, patch): http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsvn2rockbox.diff (when/if someone needs to make the difference) 17.42.22 # freqmod: -#define SPEEX_VERSION "speex-1.2-beta1" /**< Speex version string. */ 17.42.22 # +#define SPEEX_VERSION "speex-1.1.13" /**< Speex version string. */ 17.43.05 # yes i know, i just replaced the misc.h from my old version 17.43.58 # i should have deleted that change 17.44.36 Join apo` [0] (n=apo@dslb-084-057-078-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.45.04 # * freqmod uploaded a fixed diff, it is the same content as the tar.bz2 file 17.45.48 # Bger: i did read the link you gave me 17.45.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.46.00 # Siimors: yep, and ? 17.46.05 # but i'm not sure I can understand how to set up that perl thing 17.46.14 # Siimors: windows ? 17.46.17 # yes 17.46.29 # do you have cygwin installed ? 17.46.35 # nope 17.46.36 # i suppose u have 17.46.38 # ah 17.46.41 # w8 17.46.41 # i haven't installed it 17.46.48 # is it a preinstalled software? 17.46.55 # Siimors: w8 17.48.41 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.49.14 # Siimors: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler?topic=CygwinDevelopment 17.51.13 # i.e. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 17.52.28 Quit Febs () 17.55.41 # Siimors: 17.56.03 # if you just want to start a new language translation, u don't need to do all this ... 17.56.35 # ? 17.56.45 # what do i need then? 17.57.08 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 17.57.18 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-132-004.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.57.41 Quit apo` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.57.48 # Bger? 17.58.17 # only to copy the apps/lang/english.lang file to apps/lang/new_language.lang 17.58.27 Join apo` [0] (n=apo@dslb-084-057-078-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.58.27 # and to translate all the "dest:" strings 17.58.44 # but this will work only the first time 17.58.48 # i mean 17.59.30 # if the master language file (english.lang) is changed after that, it will be easier to update it with the genlang script 17.59.45 # you mean English.lng 17.59.48 # ? 17.59.53 # english.lang 18.00.10 # english.lng is the binary file, "compiled" for specific platform 18.00.38 # oh 18.00.47 # anyway, it's better to get cygwin working 18.00.54 # damn i hate how stupid I am : 18.00.56 # :( 18.01.19 # hah 18.01.26 Quit jwhiting (Remote closed the connection) 18.01.28 # it isn't so difficult 18.01.50 # Bger: i cant find "apps" folder 18.02.01 # it's in the cvs ... 18.02.26 # Siimors: is the translation the only thing u want to do in near future for rockbox ? :P 18.03.24 # if the answer of the above q is "yes", then just go to http://www.activestate.com/Perl.plex 18.04.08 # download the ActivePerl (lower left corner of the page) 18.04.30 Quit apo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.05.14 Join belze [0] (i=belze@pinky.rte.xs26.be.ofloo.net) 18.05.39 Quit belze_ ("Be Not Nobody...") 18.07.01 # did it 18.07.21 # install it (i can't help you with that ...) 18.07.32 # well I'm not THAT stupid :) 18.07.37 # save this somewhere http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/tools/genlang 18.07.42 # heh 18.08.04 # i don't have any idea how does its installation look like 18.08.13 # done 18.08.14 # done 18.09.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/apps/lang/english.lang save this too 18.10.15 # done 18.10.53 Nick Kohlriba is now known as Kohlrabi (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-132-004.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.11.19 # now copy it to yourlang.lang 18.11.21 # and 18.11.38 # start reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles and translating 18.12.21 Quit ni1s (Remote closed the connection) 18.14.38 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 18.17.17 Join ni1s [0] (n=ni1s@1-1-4-36a.dre.sth.bostream.se) 18.22.03 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.22.04 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 18.22.57 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 18.29.29 # Bger: damn it looks like shit in notepad, any suggestions? 18.29.47 # try notepad2 18.30.15 # the problem is that in windows a new line is 2 chars (carriage return + line feed), and on unix/linux/etc it's line feed only 18.30.59 # Siimors: http://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html 18.31.49 # yeah, i'm already using it 18.32.02 # so is it unicode? 18.32.16 # because in my language there are a lot of special letters 18.32.51 # yep 18.33.03 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006071912]") 18.33.08 # u must save the file in UTF-8 encoding 18.34.08 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930472.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.34.09 # Siimors: if you made it in another encoding you can always convert it to UTF-8 later 18.34.59 # no biggie , I think noone would use rockbox in this language 18.35.03 # just me 18.35.05 # so if it fails... 18.35.06 # :) 18.35.29 # Siimors: there are 2 other people from Latvia on rasher's page 18.35.48 # Siimors: http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/people/ 18.37.54 # Bagder: add this page (http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/) to the site's news .. 18.38.00 # not found 18.38.11 # Siimors: can't find the site? 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I enjoy every minute of it.") 18.42.31 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 18.43.22 Quit PaulJam (".") 18.43.49 # what the hell is "ask" 18.43.52 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4580C.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.44.45 # Siimors: it means that rockbox give you a message like "Do you want to do this?" 18.44.56 # instead of just always doing it or never doing it 18.53.48 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.53.49 Quit Febs_ (Remote closed the connection) 18.55.22 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-102-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.59.22 Quit Rondom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.00.15 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 19.02.52 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF036.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.04.10 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.05.32 # Eeeeeeww.... just found an album in my disk in wma format! *face full of disgust* 19.07.03 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 19.07.47 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 19.08.54 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 19.08.54 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.09.15 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-052-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.09.17 # Hallo. 19.11.03 Quit guillaumh (Remote closed the connection) 19.11.52 Quit Crackerizer ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 19.11.53 # markun: what is AV decay time? 19.14.16 # decay time for auto volume adjustment, i believe 19.16.52 # Anyone know: Is there any technical difference between .m4p files and m4a files? 19.17.17 # well, the m4p files are encrypted, no? 19.17.19 # .m4p is Apple's convention for encrypted (protected) .m4a files. 19.18.01 # Oh ok...so m4p is what iTunes sells, right? 19.18.12 # yea 19.18.14 # k 19.18.16 # thanx 19.19.25 # Those guys at Apple like doing things different... even with the extensions! :P 19.20.44 # This is driving me crazy. I've got Ubuntu all set up, I've leaned how to map drives, install the RB development environment, and much more. But somehow I set my desktop icons to "super-ginormous" size and I can't figure out how to fix that. 19.20.52 # and they like proprietary formats as much as microsoft does ;) 19.21.35 # belze: It's all about the $$$$ 19.21.53 # sure 19.24.02 # Febs: Are you using Gnome or KDE (or something else) ? 19.24.10 # Gnome 19.27.14 # Genre9mp3: u're the Yngwee-io or so @ MR ? 19.27.19 # Febs: I'm not quite sure why I asked that question... I use Gnome, but have no idea how to change the icons... 19.27.47 # Bger: Yes 19.27.48 # It's just ironic that I've figure out so much else, but am stymied by something else silly as the size of the icons. 19.27.52 Join rukos [0] (n=rgardner@h-72-244-31-77.mclnva23.covad.net) 19.27.53 # It's not really a big deal. 19.30.11 Join chendo_ [0] (n=chendo@203-206-49-82.dyn.iinet.net.au) 19.30.56 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 19.31.55 # Febs, the #ubuntu channel is a support channel. Quite crowded but people are helpful 19.32.06 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 19.33.20 # is there an upper limit for the size of .cfg files? 19.33.33 Quit chendo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.33.36 # Febs: i've never gotten an answer in #ubuntu, but it's worth a shot... 19.34.09 # The few times I have tried there, I haven't gotten an answer either. 19.34.47 # Febs, try the bot 19.35.01 # Febs, /msg ubotu 19.35.24 # gnome configuration reminds me of zork, one wrong turn and it gets dark, then you get eaten by a grue.. 19.36.01 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 19.38.25 Join lorijho [0] (n=lorijho@host-85-27-71-121.brutele.be) 19.39.40 # bluebrother: I'm pretty sure they're parsed one line at a time, so I would guess the answer is no. 19.40.37 # Hi 19.40.42 # hmm. Thanks. 19.41.04 # I'm working on the RTC driver for H10. 19.42.38 # Do I assume correctly that, since H10 is based on PP5020, the I2C i2c-pp5020.c code should also more or less work for H10 ? 19.43.02 # I'm wondering if I shouldn't commit that recording patch. It works well on x5 and apparently on h100/300 (I'd be suprised if it didn't). I'd like to do that so I can get to fixing up the finer points (sampling rates, other minor issues) and not have to keep putting the huge glob back up in FS. My only concern is hw codec but the changes there were mostly cosmetic and few so it shouldn't affect anything there nor any establish 19.43.22 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 19.43.26 # jhMikeS: i'd make someone test it first if no hwcodec testing has been done 19.43.49 # unless you're absolutely certain nothing'll be broken 19.43.55 # preglow: who's arount to do that? I'm really itching to do it. 19.44.06 # preglow: 95% 19.44.18 # It compiles fine on those 19.44.19 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-102-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.45.55 # i dunno, not too many archos devs around 19.46.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.46.02 # preglow: and an SPDIF double check too would be nice :) 19.46.16 # my spdif cables aren't here, so i can't test that 19.46.50 # damn I've got DVD player sitting here just begging to something to talk to. 19.47.44 # All I did was move the talk_buffer_steal calls into the common rec_set_recording_options really. 19.47.53 # btw is there and aproximate date when the v7 bootloader might be available for the h110? 19.48.14 # The v7 bootloader isn't really "official" at the moment. 19.48.14 # belze: why is a new one needed? 19.48.27 # preglow: It's the one needed for flashing Rockbox to Rom on the iRivers 19.49.11 # just to be able to flash the firmare in the rom :) 19.49.15 # preglow: It's ok to admit that you just don't feel like it...:) laph... 19.49.16 # *firmware 19.50.52 # Febs: Check whether you have a file starting with .grkrc in your home dir 19.51.24 # Maybe it's called .gtkrc-2.0 19.52.30 # will I be banished from the land if I by some miracle glitchy it up a little? 19.53.11 # jhMikeS: Can the glitchying be rectified with an "Oops"? 19.53.42 # Paul_The_Ners: Perhaps...an oops with a few quicky corrections. 19.55.01 # jhMikeS: Did you try posting some binaries to the forums to try to persuade some recording users to test? 19.55.02 # And for this small, small price we likely get codec recording, or is this some other patch? 19.55.45 # linuxstb_: No...which bins should I make? I test compiled basic archos and FM recorder. 19.55.56 # ondio 19.56.21 # Paul_The_Nerd: Codec recording, Easy FM recording 19.56.30 # amiconn: I have a .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 19.57.37 # linxstb_: ?? I shouldn't have to post half a dozen or so builds should I? 19.58.16 # I have a recorder v1, but I have nothing to really record *with* 19.59.05 # jhMikeS: Post whatever builds you want testing... 19.59.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: No mic? No radio? 20.00.03 Part oxygen77 ("Leaving") 20.00.35 # linuxstb_: I suppose just post all hw to increase my hit rate. :\ 20.01.22 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A47029.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.02.04 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 20.02.50 # jhMikeS: No radio, and I have no cable to hook it up to something else. 20.02.56 # jhMikeS: Oh, wait, I do! 20.02.58 # linuxstb_: So that would be all archos 1-8? 20.03.17 # aye! 20.04.40 # Paul the Nerd: FS#2939 20.05.22 Quit thegeek (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.05.22 # * jhMikeS is sorry about all the name typos but he's just waking up 20.05.58 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 20.06.13 # * Paul_The_Nerd is gonna hafta compile, isn't he? 20.06.51 # Yes...should do full update...save settings too. CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION is now 51 20.07.08 # Hmm... 20.07.18 # Apparently my external disk has just failed. 20.07.35 # Paul_The_Nerd: :D ok...I'll compile it...which model? 20.07.54 # Recorder V1. I can also test on H120 if you need that as well. 20.08.06 # * Paul_The_Nerd now needs to find a very small screwdriver 20.08.25 # Paul_The_Nerd: Then you can test SPDIF too? Other H120 owner liked it but couldn't test SPDIF. 20.08.37 # jhMikeS: Actually, don't bother with the Recorder V1 build 20.08.47 # I just realized, I doin't know where the cable for it is. It uses a USB cable that I only have one of 20.08.51 # But yeah, I can test SPDIF 20.09.10 # Paul_The_Nerd: Still need me to compile an H120 for you? 20.09.28 # Yeah 20.09.38 # Apparently I'm having a "bad technology day" but H120 should be fine 20.09.46 # I have like 50 of the cables to use with that. 20.10.23 # Where should I post it or do you want it mailed? 20.10.54 # It's really up to you. If you'd prefer to email it, I can do that. 20.11.35 # np...will have it shortly 20.15.09 # While you're doing that, I'll try recording something digitally so I know how to do it. :) 20.15.23 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-141-170-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 20.16.46 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.17.02 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.17.20 # hmm, i'm hoping someone can help point me in the right direction... 20.17.33 # i have sample-accurate seeking for flac pretty much done, but there's one bug left 20.17.58 # when seeking near the end of a flac file, when the next track is not flac, i get a "codec failure" a few seconds before the currect track ends, then playback skips over the next few tracks in the playlist 20.18.11 # it works fine if the next track is also flac 20.18.24 # does anyone know what might cause this? 20.20.23 # hmm, i just noticed it does this with current cvs as well... 20.21.02 # What's up with the wiki? 20.21.07 # * Paul_The_Nerd notes to himself that he should change the output setting from 5.1 to stereo before attempting to record, in the future. 20.21.12 # hmm. nothing it seems :) 20.21.26 # rotator: Do you have crossfading enabled? 20.21.34 # no, i don't 20.21.47 # Maybe it only happens if you seek into a point after crossfade would usually start 20.21.50 # hmm 20.22.01 # rotator: I think that's a well-known bug - if you try to seek at the end of a file, the playback code has already switched to decoding the next file. 20.22.16 # ahh, ok, then i won't attempt to fix is :) 20.22.24 # s/is/it 20.22.40 # jhMikeS: What does your recording patch do for hwcodec? 20.22.42 # at least it's not my code :p 20.22.47 # I can test later tonight 20.22.56 # Recorder V1 and Ondio FM 20.23.01 # rotator: It's been in flyspray for about a year... 20.23.22 # linuxstb_: thanks, i suppose i should have checked there first 20.23.39 # anyone who fixes it will get virtua-hugs from me 20.23.46 # amiconn, in case you talk to pixelma, can you tell here that something is wrong with the logos. http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/ipod3g-front.pdf and http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/ipodcolor-front.pdf 20.24.08 # Febs: check that .gtrc* for entries like gtk-icon-sizes="xyz" 20.24.38 # tucoz: Yes, she knows that there are problems with the logo conversion 20.24.53 # ok. good. 20.24.59 # The logo looks like a traced version from a bitmap to me 20.25.17 # A huge amount of nodes very hard to simplify 20.25.19 # no, but this is another issue. 20.25.25 # amiconn: It doesn't touch it really. It was a software codec update only. Just a little consolidation of talk_buffer_steal calls and a change in the format labels array. 20.25.44 # format labels array? 20.25.52 # amiconn: In id3.c 20.26.02 # anyone know how to make a macro that just eats every parameter it gets? i know about ..., but you can't use that to access the arguments, no? 20.26.08 # if you look at one of the links, you see what I mean. The svg looks good, but the eps/pdf looks like this. 20.26.24 # Now that holds labels, decoder fn, encoder fn, encoder ext for SWCODEC and just label for sw codec. 20.26.32 # preglow: can't you just #define foo() 20.26.44 # jhMikeS: It seems to work. I'm not sure if file-splitting is perfect yet. I'm having a hard time telling with my source. As well, .wv doesn't sound as good as 192 mp3, but again it could've just been a bad sounding portion of my source (which is unfortunately an XBox) 20.26.49 # bbl 20.26.58 # Mikachu: example: how do i access the arguments then? 20.26.59 # eh 20.27.02 # jhMikeS: But digital recording worked fine, at least. 20.27.03 # s/example:// 20.27.25 # Paul_The_Nerd: I didn't write the codecs...I had JdGordon test filesplitting and it worked, works on x5 too. 20.27.47 # preglow: i don't think i understand what you want to do with the arguments if you want them to be eaten 20.27.57 # Mikachu: eat was the wrong word to use, heh 20.28.02 # tucoz: Yes I know. This has something to do with the way the objects are placed 20.28.04 # jhMikeS: Well then I can confirm digital recording works fine. 20.28.07 # People can avoid WV atm if it's not so good 20.28.13 # cool 20.29.12 # Mikachu: i basically want a printf like macro 20.29.16 # There should be no real change to iPods either since they can't record atm. 20.29.28 # don't know how to do that 20.29.43 # me neither 20.29.47 # i don't need to pick apart the arguments 20.29.58 # preglow: Look at the DEBUGF() macro 20.30.01 # everything between the ( ) will be used like a big string, really 20.30.13 # a printf like macro? #define PRINTF_MACRO(_x_) fn _x_ 20.30.43 # PRINTF_MACRO((param1, param2, ...)); 20.30.46 # amiconn: that just does #define DEBUGF rb->debugf 20.31.01 # Ah, hmm... 20.31.44 # bbl 20.31.46 Quit amiconn (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 20.32.01 # amiconn: what i want to do is basically to wrap stuff like hehe->fprintf(stdio, "value: %i", myint) to FPRINTF("value: %i", myint); 20.33.27 # or...when you want code: #define PRINTF_MACRO fn 20.33.43 # PRINTF_MACRO(param1, param2) 20.34.45 # no code: #define PRINTF_MACRO while(0) { fn; }; or PRINTF_MACRO (0 ? (void) : (void)fn) 20.35.06 # jhMikeS: that doesn't take a variable number of arguments 20.35.14 # It doesn't take any 20.35.24 # oh, wait 20.35.28 # i should read it in full :P 20.35.43 # I got a few typos in there 20.36.17 # 0 ? (void)0 : (void)fn 20.36.19 # problem is, that won't work either 20.36.30 # note that my function has a parameter i'll always want to pass 20.36.44 # so i'd need #define PRINTF_MACRO fn(alwaysthesame, 20.36.52 # but then i've got a parantheses problem 20.37.12 # Well then you'll just pass it...or do you want the compiler to make sure you have at lease one? 20.37.27 # It the function you're calling requires it, then it will error 20.37.27 # i don't want to pass it explicitely :P it's always the same 20.37.45 # i basically need to do #define MACRO ptr->function(ptr, 1, 2, 3, 4) etc 20.38.03 # ptr is always the same, 1, 2, 3, 4, etc, i want to pass 20.38.15 # You can have a macro for each number of args MACRO1 (for 1 arg), MACRO2, MACRO3 ... 20.38.20 # haha, yes 20.38.20 # i can 20.38.33 # there is a c99 preprocessor extension i can use, i see 20.38.45 # but damn, i thought this'd be easy ;) 20.39.24 # There are some proposed extensions I've read about long ago that support varg macros 20.39.31 # yep, those 20.39.54 # if anyone wants to test out flac seeking, here's my patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5892 20.41.01 # rotator: FLAC seeking would be nice... 20.41.05 Quit rukos ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 20.41.28 # jhMikeS: then try it out and let me know if you find any bugs ;) 20.42.21 # Will do...I post comments to FS. 20.42.55 # jhMikeS: thanks 20.43.09 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust438.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 20.52.28 Quit Febs (Remote closed the connection) 20.53.44 # Mmmm: can you test FS#2939 (Codec recordin) on any archos? I want to be sure it didn't mess up hw codec ports. 20.54.00 Part Paul_The_Nerd 20.54.24 # jhMikes I don't have a HW codec player I'm afraid! 20.55.12 # Mmmm: Boo! 20.55.20 # :D 20.55.52 # jhMikeS: I have an OndioSP but I don't think this can help either (no recording/no radio) 20.56.13 Join freqmod_n [0] (n=freqmod@140.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 20.57.02 # Genre9mp3: hmmm...I dunno...could be sure it still works. It does change something in id3.c. 20.58.05 # hi 20.58.13 # jhMikeS: So, I guess I can just test if the playback is not broken then? Is that useful for you? 20.58.51 # Genre9mp3: yes...thanks 20.59.02 # is it possible to monitor every pin on the ipod's connector within rockbox ? 20.59.10 # jhMikeS: ok, wait 21.00.17 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 21.00.28 # I'm also about to test the FLAC seeking by rotator 21.00.50 Join freqmod_ [0] (n=freqmod@140.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 21.01.38 # jhMikeS: The file that is posted on 27 August? 21.02.21 Join webguest56 [0] (i=d518ec33@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.02.32 # ummm...the last one 21.02.45 # hi guys! 21.02.54 # jhMikeS: ok 21.03.00 Join testerxxxx [0] (n=Ninjaz@213.24.236.51) 21.03.09 Part webguest56 21.03.47 # hi guys! I from Russia, i have question 21.03.54 # shoot 21.04.21 # shoot come from?=) 21.04.26 # Just ask 21.04.32 # ok 21.05.09 # possible make mplayer for ipod nano with sound... work in progress, i think..? 21.05.39 # testerxxxx, yes. the mpegplayer is in development 21.06.01 # its good 21.06.08 # and will probably have sound sometime soon 21.08.21 # linuxstb_: have you seen my thread on the RMAA comparisons? 21.09.11 # i see, when i want make bookmark in middle of large mp3 file (ex. about 1 hour), bookmark dont work, dont set 21.10.50 Quit freqmod (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.13.00 # rotator: read my remarks in FS 21.13.39 # Genre9mp3: any luck? 21.13.45 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 21.14.04 # jhMikeS: Compiled with no warnings... I'm about to test on target 21.14.04 # testerxxxx, I never use bookmarks myself. But maybe there is something written in the manual or if it is a bug, check flyspray. 21.14.45 # Genre9mp3: I did at least compile for all representative variations. :) 21.15.24 Quit freqmod_n (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.16.43 # brb 21.16.58 # Updated speexsync, includes all available arm asm, introduces a few warnings: http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speexsync.tar.bz2 21.17.22 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.17.23 # jhMikeS: Playback works fine.. 21.17.41 # jhMikeS: Is there something specific you want me to check? 21.17.46 Quit apo` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.17.58 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 21.18.12 # (besides recording of course) :P 21.20.30 # retested, and working on ipod video 21.20.42 # jhMikeS: thanks for the comments, i'll look into them 21.21.44 # Genre9mp3: Well if you don't have recording and no radio then hw playback should be all. 21.22.26 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.22.33 # maybe its a stupid question, but is it ok, if I plug my ipod to charge, then while charging it says that battery will last for ~2h, if I unplug it, it shows around 8h20mins 21.22.34 # jhMikeS: ok 21.23.04 # What you think about *.pdf-viewer on ipod nano? Its possible? 21.23.38 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 21.23.44 # testerxxx: maybe a pc program that processes the pdf to a "propretary" binary format, and then a viewer on rockbox 21.24.17 # Genre9mp3: What full model name do you have specifically? 21.24.35 # * jhMikeS is making a check list 21.25.02 # eeer.. Archos Ondio SP, that is 21.25.06 # * jhMikeS thanks all who are taking the time to test 21.25.52 # and in case you making a survey an iriver H340, too :D 21.26.33 # * Genre9mp3 thanks all who are taking the time to code 21.27.05 # but on linux have own pdf viewer, why this not develop for rockbox 21.27.44 # Got an H300 test and that went well 21.27.53 # jhMikeS: cool 21.28.08 # well maybe, does it work on 80mHz (arm, not ix86_(64))? without a operating system..., but it may be possible, you could try to port one 21.29.02 # If it works on x5 it's pretty much that same as x5 the diff being uda1380 vs. tlv320 21.29.34 # but i not coder 21.29.48 # i tester=) 21.30.05 # testerxxxx: do you like to test recording? what do you have? 21.30.13 # testerxxxx: What do you mean "but on linux have own pdf viewer" ? 21.30.39 # i have ipod nano 1gb 21.31.25 # i mean pdf is open format as well as i know 21.31.39 # testerxxxx: that would be helpful I think...no recording yet but a quick playback check. FS#2939 21.31.55 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.32.08 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.32.09 # Genre9mp3: did it blow up yet? 21.33.16 # jhMikeS: haha...no, don't worry 21.33.19 # yes i help to you... but how recording process on ipod nano ? 21.33.26 # I'll let you know if it is 21.33.46 # testerxxxx: Yes, PDF is an open format, but that doesn't mean a PDF viewer for Rockbox would be easy, or that the Nano is physcially capable of the task. 21.33.54 # testerxxxx: linuxstb_ was about to resume that development I think 21.34.11 # linuxstb_: is there any released recording code for ipod? 21.34.13 # of course it's physically capable 21.34.17 # but it'd be a bloody nightmare to code 21.35.23 # preglow: Technically I'm sure it's capable, but it would be unusable on a screen the size of the Nano. At least, I wouldn't want to use it. 21.35.23 # its very hard coded for ipod 21.35.37 # * jhMikeS is wondering how you'd read a pdf on a tiny screen like that...I need at least 1280x1024 at least for datasheets and 1800x1440 is even hardly enough 21.35.41 # testerxxxx: As far as I know, the Nano has no recording hardware. 21.35.47 # linuxstb_: god, no 21.36.25 # you must be resize mode=) 21.36.34 # you must use resize mode=) 21.36.45 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.190.11) 21.36.46 # freqmod_: No, I haven't released anything ipod recording code yet. If I can find the time to resync to CVS (there have been quite a few recording-related changes recently), then I'll probably post a patch to flyspray. 21.37.05 # barrywardell: Finished your Rockbox port yet? :) 21.37.40 # linuxstb_: is there such thing as finished? 21.37.53 # linuxstb_: What a nice question to make! :) 21.38.00 # The port of Rockbox to the Player looks like it's finished... 21.38.13 # (Archos Player) 21.38.53 # Finished is relative in coding or something that happens to you in Finland :) 21.38.59 # i don have rockbox running though 21.39.32 # I thought it was booting now though? 21.40.01 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.40.05 # yup, it's booting fully into Rockbox and buttons mostly working (except the scrollpad) 21.40.19 # I assume sound doesn't work? 21.40.23 # but sleep() is sleeping for a bit too long... 21.40.35 # as in for ever! 21.40.52 # Are interrupts enabled? 21.41.26 # I think so. They're enabled in crt0.S, right? 21.41.56 # freqmod_: no point in including the test* programs, no? 21.42.51 # no, no poin 21.42.52 # t 21.42.59 # ltp_arm4.h:88: warning: matching constraint does not allow a register 21.43.01 # i din't remove it now ether 21.43.01 # do you get those? 21.43.03 # yes 21.43.04 # i get a zillion of them 21.43.24 # what the hell are they? they sure won't look good on the build table 21.43.52 # look at this http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-hacker/2004-07/msg00010.html 21.44.29 # It means the match can't ever be placed in a register for some reason by gcc? 21.44.29 # it seems like it changes 1 to m 21.46.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.46.06 # i think it is e.g. this line : "0" (x), "1" (y), "2" (sum1), "3" (sum2), "4" (len>>3) 21.47.41 # or somehow it uses variables not in the cache..., at least the code/file is not modified by me at all 21.48.34 # i don't get it 21.49.01 # i don't know enough about gcc assembly, i am just reading google results 21.49.41 # i don't even understand what the numeric constraints do 21.49.43 # never used them 21.49.50 # it seems like it is a gcc4 thing 21.50.21 # the warning 21.51.15 # linuxstb_: sound doesn't work yet. playing a mp3 just stays at 0 seconds elapsed. I think I need to get sleep() working before testing further though 21.51.41 # wow! i have crazy idea! We can make client ex. irc-client, mail-client an so on for ipod nano with connection computer for use comp as gate 21.51.52 # this may give a clue: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-m68k/2006/06/30/0000.html 21.52.13 # testerxxxx: and what would be the point when you have to connect to a computer? 21.52.16 # testerxxxx: you should join #ipodlinux 21.52.25 # Genre9mp3: how's it going? 21.53.43 # jhMikeS: Oh... do you want me to let it play? I shut it off a while ago 21.54.14 # I thought the explosion killed you...if it starts allright then it's fine 21.55.27 # maybe this is interresting: http://www.ictp.trieste.it/texi/gpp/gpp_31.html 21.55.55 # It starts ok... hopefully you didn't turn my Ondio into a bomb! :P 21.56.09 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034080020.nb.aliant.net) 21.56.59 # If I could do that...I'm sure I'd have plenty of work in the Middle East! :P 21.57.27 # ^ ... 21.57.52 # hahah 21.58.03 # i can turn lots of stuff cheaper than ondios into bombs 21.59.04 Join apo [0] (n=apo@dslb-084-057-078-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.59.08 # preglow: Can you pass those stuff into an airplane though? Mwuhahahah! (evil laugh) 21.59.35 # preglow: or you could just disable ltp_arm4.h 22.00.15 Nick apo is now known as apo` (n=apo@dslb-084-057-078-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.00.34 Quit Mmmm (Remote closed the connection) 22.00.45 # Genre9mp3: i'll sure try the next time i'm flying 22.00.50 # freqmod_: i kinda want it, heh 22.00.53 Quit Febs (Remote closed the connection) 22.01.07 # freqmod_: think i'll ask valin if he knows whats up 22.01.33 # yes do that, it is his code (i think) 22.03.14 # * jhMikeS checks off Archos Ondion SP 22.04.09 Join bondolo [0] (n=mike@dsl081-053-091.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 22.04.32 Quit niskel (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.04.39 # * jhMikeS is thinking iPod nano...:) 22.05.16 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034080020.nb.aliant.net) 22.07.08 # An iPod check and a hw (FM) recorder check is all that's keeping it out of CVS now 22.08.03 # jhMikeS: What exactly did you change on recording? 22.09.13 # Toni's patch for codecs plus added an FM Radio source and the recording screen to the radio menu...plus misc. consolidation of code to neaten up the radio and recording screens. 22.10.12 # jhMikeS: Sounds nice 22.10.33 # jhMikeS i have an ipod but i thought it couldn't record anyway 22.10.41 # I would go ahead and let them complain after.. :) 22.10.49 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 22.11.10 # jhMikeS: So it's mp3 and wv direct recording, right? 22.11.18 # I don't wanna be banished from the land :) 22.11.25 # mp3, wv, wav 22.11.43 # I hope the encoder list fills up soon 22.11.50 # We already have wav :P 22.12.52 # but now it uses the wav_enc.codec to do it. 22.13.55 # Did someone of you try the win32 UI simulator? 22.14.12 # Which is better I guess?... (forgive my ignorance) 22.14.20 # I can't change the volume. 22.14.30 # That doesn't matter much, but I wonder if this is known. 22.14.42 Quit niskel (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.51 # I'm damn sure it wont break archos recording...it doesn't change anything for it. Just moves calls to talk_buffer_steal into one function instead of repeating them before calling audio_set_recording_options 22.15.54 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A735C.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.17.08 # rretzbach: The buttons actually work, it's just the volume that remains on the same level 22.21.44 # anyone with a player around? 22.21.55 # that is, the archos player 22.22.37 # in that case, could that person take a look at this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5835 22.24.24 Quit mantono ("Don't worry, be happy") 22.25.27 # Wow...now there is a nice option to see only developers in rasher's map! :) 22.25.28 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/?onlydevs=yes#maptop 22.27.56 # anyone know what antoine jour's forum name is or if you are here speak up 22.30.17 Quit apo` (Remote closed the connection) 22.30.38 Join apo [0] (n=apo@dslb-084-057-078-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.30.52 Join winston [0] (n=markus@p5494E927.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.30.52 Nick winston is now known as markus_ (n=markus@p5494E927.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.32.09 Nick markus_ is now known as winston (n=markus@p5494E927.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.32.17 # hi 22.32.42 # hi 22.34.20 # when i flash my ipod nano with the rockbox firmware is there any chanche to get back to the original firmware in case anything gets fucked up? 22.34.33 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 22.34.45 # you can always enter ap[ple firmware 22.34.54 # just hold menu when booting up 22.35.08 # Hmm... Europe has a 1:12,4 developers to users ratio while in North America this ratio is 1:21,75 22.35.14 # ah kk thx 22.35.15 # you want 'flash' the ipod, so the standard rescue firmware is allways available, then you could use the ipod restore utillity from apple 22.35.23 # s/want/don't/ 22.35.41 # thanks guys 22.36.27 Nick apo is now known as apo` (n=apo@dslb-084-057-078-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.36.30 # Genre9mp3:that is because most americans are lazy 22.37.03 # BigMac: Well, I just made the observation! ;) 22.38.25 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 22.40.41 # Too bad my player has only two colors :( 22.40.54 # preglow: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/speex-dev/2006-January/004149.html (our asm warnings (I think)) 22.40.54 # BigMac: Hey now! 22.41.14 Part bondolo 22.41.45 # I think Jm-valin writes that it is only used in the encoder, but I am not shure which function he refers to 22.41.59 # j-m valin 22.43.38 # hm 22.45.21 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.45.45 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-67-69.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 22.46.40 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 22.47.07 # hey pixelma. Did you read the logs? 22.47.12 # *log 22.47.31 # not yet 22.47.53 # ok, the logos look weird when I convert to pdf 22.48.29 # I know I discovered that myself 22.48.30 # http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/ipod3g-front.pdf and http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/ipodcolor-front.pdf 22.48.40 # oh, good 22.48.57 Quit apo` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.49.14 # what is the nanos screen sive? 22.49.28 # its half the size of the ipod right 22.49.30 # ipod video 22.49.36 # nope 22.49.41 Join apo [0] (n=apo@dslb-084-057-078-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.49.41 # 176x132x16 22.49.51 # or do you mean physical dimensions? 22.54.56 # just the 176 by 132 22.54.58 # thanks 22.56.03 # linuxstb: Rockbox on the Player is not yet finished. I have at least one more thing for it on my todo list 22.56.30 # * amiconn places an urgent request for a spare-time generator device :/ 22.56.31 Quit solarflare (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.56.46 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 22.56.52 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-141-170-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 22.57.35 # jhMikeS: Did you place test builds somewhere? 22.57.52 # * amiconn hates flyspray for not diplaying versions and/or filedates for attached files 22.58.17 Join guillaumh [0] (n=guillaum@4va54-3-82-234-144-30.fbx.proxad.net) 22.58.37 # That was one thing where the old sourceforge tracker was way better 23.00.12 # tucoz: The description of the player vkeyboard in the manual is _way_ outdated 23.00.32 # ok. So the reporters key presses are valid? 23.00.47 # yes 23.01.37 Quit freqmod_ ("natta (good night)") 23.02.02 # ok. good. 23.02.26 # On toggles between picker & line edit, -/+ moves back & forth in the selected line (picker of input line), Play picks character / acts as backspace in the input line, Long Play accepts, Stop cancels 23.02.45 # Ah, and Menu flips picker pages (or rather, lines in the case of the player) 23.07.37 Join San [0] (n=San@213-202-185-153.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 23.15.26 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 23.15.59 Nick apo is now known as sleepo (n=apo@dslb-084-057-078-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.16.24 # amiconn: not yet 23.16.54 # What's the best set to post do you think? 23.18.44 Quit NibbIer ("bei uns hat noch niemals nicht koana koan durscht ned ghabt") 23.21.19 Quit ni1s (Remote closed the connection) 23.21.26 Quit winston (Remote closed the connection) 23.22.06 Join ni1s [0] (n=ni1s@1-1-4-36a.dre.sth.bostream.se) 23.25.38 Quit [San] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.25.46 # amiconn, but the second table for the player. Is that outdated as well. The BACKSPACE, DELETE stuff. 23.25.53 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-31-25.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.26.17 # anyone know the controls for a 5g in the ui simulator 23.26.27 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-252.dynamic.qsc.de) 23.27.33 # tucoz: Yes, completely. The 'dynamic submenu' in the vkeyboard does no longer exist 23.27.44 # ah. good to know 23.27.55 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 23.28.03 # This was one annoying thing. Very unintuitive. 23.28.29 # BigMac: they're very unintuitive. Best way to figure them out is look at the sdl sim source file 23.28.48 # hehe 23.29.12 # jhMikeS: I don't know. I'm not even sure which file is your latest patch 23.29.13 # amiconn: no idea then? 23.29.13 # BigMac: i think that it involves left/right/space/F8 and insert 23.29.16 # im not building mine i just got the prebuilt 23.29.26 # alright thatnks 23.29.51 # I would give it a test on Ondio FM, but don't want to apply it to my working copy which already contains numerous changes 23.29.52 # amiconn: the last one 23.30.09 # And building on cygwin is sloo-ooow. 23.30.16 # I'll post Ondio FM... 23.30.29 # I am now actually looking into getting my favourite editor to run under wine 23.30.29 # I know it is...that's why I use vmware 23.31.03 # anyone here have a nano? 23.31.26 # Yeah, I would prefer that too (I even have the full vmware workstation), but up to now I didn't find a decent editor for linux (for my taste) 23.31.40 # testerxxxx does. 23.31.41 # * tucoz whispers emacs 23.31.45 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 23.31.52 # tucoz: No way... 23.32.03 # I said 'decent' 23.32.10 # That auto-excludes text-mode 23.32.36 # I know what you mean. But I happen to love emacs. 23.33.26 # hahaha 23.33.30 # auto-excludes textmode? 23.33.42 # only way to get serious editing done 23.34.10 # TextPad for Windows is very nice if you use Windows 23.34.13 # * preglow whispers gvim 23.34.24 # it's even got a gui 23.34.28 # I use ConTEXT. Didn't find a better editor 23.34.52 # It does everything I need & want - except that it doesn't support utf-8 yet 23.34.53 # why is there nothing on the start menu 23.35.12 # i can pretty much guarantee you that either emacs or vim will do pretty much everything that does 23.35.12 # amiconn: What you use Linux, runnin Wine, running cygwin? 23.35.15 # and more 23.35.19 # so it's worth a try 23.35.35 # My most used machine is my WinXP laptop 23.35.47 # ...which has cygwin and vmware installed 23.36.10 # then vmware should be nice...I limit the memory to 48MB and that works nice 23.36.14 # I have a debian vm, also with the rockbox toolchains 23.36.42 # The vm has full gnome running, so it needs a decent amount of ram 23.37.04 # Then I also have an amd64 desktop, running debian 23.37.11 Quit testerxxxx ("Client Exiting") 23.37.24 # I rarely use it for interactive work 23.37.42 # It's mainly running dnetc, and acts as one of the distributed build boxes 23.39.47 # What's the diff between Archos Recorder and the v2? 23.40.22 # The v2 is the twin of the fm recorder, but without fm 23.40.57 # No need to test both, the rockbox binary is identical, apart from the scrambling 23.41.38 # The early v2s were in fact fm recorders in disguise, so if someone has such an early v2, he can use the fm radio with rockbox 23.41.48 # (but not with the of) 23.43.15 # :P 23.44.56 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 23.45.30 Join fatherfork [0] (n=fatherfo@adsl-219-129-112.asm.bellsouth.net) 23.46.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.46.31 # yay! ConTEXT actually works in wine :) 23.47.44 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 23.48.42 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 23.48.54 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 23.48.56 # These gonna be a pretty big list of sample builds 23.50.34 # I'm just using the default for RAM size if that's no biggie 23.52.06 # amiconn: Finally got to play Doom on the x5. :) It was just the sound buffer in IRAM? 23.52.34 # yes 23.52.45 # That is, after Linus fixed the timer 23.53.04 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 23.53.06 # It was pure luck that it worked on iriver 23.53.14 # (the sound buffer) 23.53.53 # What was broken with the timer...I saw that he changed it and the oops'ed it 23.54.22 # The 'oops' was because the fix was put in a wrong place 23.54.46 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 23.55.06 # The deal with the timer is that there is a reset bit. If this bit is changed from 1 to 0 by a write, _all_ associated timer registers are cleared 23.56.05 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034080020.nb.aliant.net) 23.56.13 # That includes TMRn itself, i.e. setting the reset bit to 0 also clears all other bits in that register immediately, i.e. the just written value 23.56.13 # hmm 23.57.12 # So if the timer is reprogrammed from active to inactive, the reset bit has to be cleared first, _then_ the new value has to be written 23.57.13 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 23.57.33 # On iriver there was no problem, but obviously the cowon bootloader enables the timer 23.58.23 Quit ni1s (Remote closed the connection) 23.58.58 # so if you write zero to the reset bit while at the same time writing other values to the other bits, it still resets those bits instead of writing the intended value?