--- Log for 01.09.106 Server: sterling.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 14 hours ago 00.02.22 Quit carini ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 00.03.58 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 00.13.14 # lowlight: thanks for trying to help me - even if you were wrong ;) 00.13.19 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 00.16.47 Join Jazz00006 [0] (n=Jazz0000@219-90-172-140.ip.adam.com.au) 00.18.32 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006071912]") 00.18.39 # is anyone one talking now? 00.19.38 # you are 00.21.15 # i can see that :) 00.22.29 # is anyone available to help me with a bit of coding? 00.23.14 # you could tell us the problem and we could offer to help if it's not too hard or we're not too busy, etc.. 00.23.29 # or he could not.. 00.23.30 # :) 00.24.04 # actually, i was wonfering if there was a list of ALL the commands and syntaxs' for rockbox 00.24.13 Quit Massa ("Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.") 00.24.25 # yes 00.24.29 # the source code! 00.24.35 # =S 00.24.37 # be nice 00.24.40 # i followed the tutorial, HowtoWritePlugins and it says to take a look @ plugin.h, but i cant read it properly, (becuase its not formated for easy reading IMHO. 00.24.41 # but the manual comes close 00.24.43 # he was,,, 00.24.45 # aha 00.24.48 # for writing plugins 00.25.00 # no, then plugin.h is your best doc 00.25.10 # formatted for easy reading? 00.25.12 # and existing plugins 00.25.14 # :) 00.25.18 # it's very easy, everything's on its own line and all. 00.25.28 # certainly easy compared to all the other source code :) 00.25.42 # ... ill have a deeper look then 00.25.46 # thanx 00.25.55 # scroll down, there's a long list.. 00.26.23 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 00.26.51 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.30.53 # well, just so u know, i was using a different source code, and it was alot messyer then the recent 2.5 source. thanx guy 00.30.57 # guys* 00.31.18 # wait, what? 00.31.20 # 2.5 source? 00.31.26 # you know that's like.. a year or two old? 00.31.40 # a full year.. 00.32.00 # oh fk me 00.32.01 # it won't even run on anything but the archoses, it's lacking all the recent features.. 00.32.09 # how come i always do that? 00.32.27 # :) 00.34.10 # can't find what are the exuction time of MAAAC MASAC MSSAC MSAAC this on sub or add to two accumulators at a time 00.34.43 # Jazz00006: If you're developing for Rockbox, you should really use cvs - so you can easily keep up to date with changes. 00.34.58 # can't find what are the exuction time of MAAAC MASAC MSSAC MSAAC this operators do a sub or add on two accumulators at a time 00.35.03 # ..... well. im trying to 00.35.37 # Jazz00006: What's the problem? 00.35.41 Quit ender` (" In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bi) 00.36.38 # nothing yet, just trying to learn the basics syntax and all 00.36.52 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 00.36.56 # Jazz00006: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=UsingCVS 00.36.56 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.41.20 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.41.39 # ok kool, now all i have to do is try to understand this stuff :), btw is there a way to only compile a c file into a rock without doing the whole directory? 00.43.03 # * [_]illogic-al is back after 67:19:22. 00.43.14 # -- statement `masac.w %d3l,%a3l,%acc0,%acc1' ignored 00.43.29 # * preglow hugs snowgoon 00.43.32 # ok H300 doesn't have that one :-/ 00.43.48 Nick [_]illogic-al is now known as illogic-al (n=Your@konversation/user/illogic-al) 00.43.53 # preglow: this is EMAC_A on the 5249 ? 00.44.01 # masac???? 00.44.05 # msac, you mean? 00.44.19 # no masac 00.44.25 # i've never heard about masac 00.44.36 # i've never seen that instruction in any way at all 00.44.51 # brb 00.44.53 # this one add to first acc and sub to second acc, there is three other operands - - ++ - + + - 00.45.00 # where did you read about it? 00.45.10 # preglow: that's on coldfire manual 00.45.32 # page 213 00.45.37 # for mssac 00.45.54 # but 5249 EMAC doesn't have it unfortunely. 00.46.26 # YAY! The smallest piece of Sansa success! 00.46.43 # \o/ 00.46.57 # What have you done? 00.47.17 # sansa success 00.47.18 # preglow: that's on EMAC rev B 00.47.24 # > 00.47.25 # ? 00.47.40 # I've changed the first branch to point to a different address, and then put a branch from there to where the first branch pointed 00.48.06 # billytwowilly: Nothing to get excited about yet, but it's better than I've managed so far 00.48.18 # what exactly did you do? 00.48.30 # So you're modifying the original firmware? 00.48.56 # linuxstb_: I wasn't originally, but nothing that I made appeared to be running. 00.49.17 # mirak: i don't think any coldfire v2 cores has it 00.50.44 # The next step is to change the second branch to point somewhere random. If the original firmware still runs, we know that the entry point isn't 0x0, which explains why nothing is running. 00.51.05 # preglow: this was allowing to save 4 adds and 4 subs 00.51.47 # haha 00.52.03 # sansa tries to back us up on rockbox porting, and don't even tell us the bloody entry point 00.52.13 # i see how their approach can be improved 00.52.51 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.54.48 Quit Cris_Cr0ss () 00.54.52 # is it ok to sacrifice codec performance for better codec with dsp performance? the question having to do with whether we should strive to keep output buffers in iram or nto 00.55.30 Quit Jazz00006 () 00.56.55 # I want both - runtime optimisation of IRAM usage.... 00.58.41 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 00.58.58 Quit lorijho ("leaving") 00.59.46 # you mean more dynamic iram allocation ? linuxstb ? 01.01.28 # OK, so I changed the second branch to point back to 0x0 and the firmware wouldn't start. So there is something else I'm doing wrong. *sigh* 01.04.19 # sucky. 01.04.20 Quit ootput ("leaving") 01.04.22 # so back to square one? 01.05.46 # It's still a step forward - it means we know a bit more. 01.06.15 # has bagder gotten anywhere with that jtag board? 01.06.18 # mirak: I'm only half-serious... I'm not really sure what I'm suggesting, but it seems a shame to have to compromise. 01.06.32 # shouldn't that propel the port forward? 01.06.48 # I think he gave it to Linus. 01.07.22 # linux torvalds? 01.07.54 # no... 01.08.08 # there are no other people named linus anyway... 01.08.34 # at least it should stop us having to worry about stuff like entry points 01.23.16 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.24.04 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 01.24.33 # Anyone else have a problem where year does not work in TagCache? 01.24.47 Quit GliGli ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.35.23 Quit gromit` ("Coyote finally caught me") 01.40.32 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 01.40.40 Quit Nico_P () 01.41.37 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 01.48.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.07.20 Quit barrywardell () 02.17.05 Part Paul_The_Nerd 02.18.36 # Question: I'm attempting to create a build that lacks certain themes (WPSs). 02.18.37 # I have modified /WPS/FILES and /WPS/WPSLIST by inserting "#" at the front of the lines I do not want. 02.18.38 # This does not remove the entries in the menu-->browse themes screen. 02.18.40 # What do I need to do to remove those entries? 02.21.18 # Delete the .cfg files in .rockbox/themes/ 02.23.19 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.24.37 Quit lodesi ("leaving") 02.24.40 # no way to remove these from source so that it 'makes' without them? 02.25.14 # I'm just trying to round out my NoFun.patch file. 02.26.32 # Yes - removing from WPSLIST should remove them from your builds - but you'll need to manually delete them once from your existing .rockbox folder. Or have you done that. 02.26.47 # ? 02.26.51 # crap, I overwrote (sp?) 02.27.02 # thanks, that'll probably do it 02.32.15 # sweetnes 03.03.02 Join meestaplu [0] (n=meestapl@c-71-234-103-128.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 03.03.12 Quit chendo_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.03.39 # I'm looking at contributing some code for this project -- ipod 5G 03.03.55 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-30-185.dyn.iinet.net.au) 03.04.20 # having only discovered this yesterday, though, what would be the fastest way for me to get up to speed? 03.06.20 Join TrueJournals [0] (i=180c933d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 03.12.10 Quit TrueJournals ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.13.42 Join jborn_ [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-71-61.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 03.13.42 Quit CriamosAndy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.14.13 Quit JoeBorn (Nick collision from services.) 03.14.38 Nick jborn_ is now known as JoeBorn (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-71-61.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 03.14.59 Join jborn_ [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 03.15.10 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549326FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.18.32 Quit Criamos (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.18.56 # meestaplu: what exactly were you thinking about contributing? 03.19.28 # scorche: I was thinking of either adding a brightness control for the backlight, or optimizing the OGG decoder 03.19.44 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549326FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.19.46 Part pixelma 03.19.54 Join BigMac [0] (n=dummeska@64-252-96-54.adsl.snet.net) 03.20.09 # best way then, is to just dig into the code imo 03.20.20 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6175.15 03.21.04 # meestaplu: also, look around on the wiki/forums and see if there is much info towards what you are wanting to do 03.21.41 # do you have a cross-compiler set up yet? 03.22.00 # scorche: I have nothing setup at this point 03.22.08 # just gathering data, mainly 03.22.17 # BigMac: what exactly was the point of linking that>/ 03.22.27 # but the screen being off or blinding annoys me enough that I'm willing to write code to fix it 03.22.44 # meestaplu: on the side of rockbox.org, there is a link "documentation" 03.23.02 # there is a section "for developers" or something like that 03.23.19 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 03.23.48 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.23.52 # i would suggest reading through that 03.24.18 # scorche: hm, didn't see this section yet, thanks 03.24.35 # someone to read it 03.24.48 # and i thought febs was here but i guess not 03.25.50 # BigMac: when a new post is posted, it becomes tagged as a new post...that is plenty....no need to link directly in IRC unless it pertains to the current topic of discussion or has valuable use 03.26.16 # i thought febs was here 03.26.22 # and he wanted me to post them 03.26.28 # so i thought id tell him 03.26.33 # then preface it with a Febs: 03.26.46 # yah i should have 03.26.55 # but didn't think of it 03.27.02 # and there should be a list of the users currently on the channel 03.27.11 # it helps to look at that when you want to talk to someone... 03.27.30 # i simmed through it quick 03.27.36 # and thought fah was febs 03.28.23 Join carini [0] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 03.29.14 # scorche: the automated ./rockboxdev.sh is excellent 03.40.38 # hey 03.40.49 # i have a quick q 03.41.17 # does rockbox support video playback on ipod v5 03.41.18 # ? 03.41.54 # Yes, but with no sound 03.42.03 # you can use the mpeg plugin... you'll have to convert the format 03.42.16 # ah cool 03.42.18 # details @ http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 03.43.07 Part TrueJournals 03.44.04 Quit Pyromancer ("Leaving") 03.44.45 Join ootput [0] (n=ootput@tor/regular/five0) 03.48.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.14.03 # does anyone here have a fmrecorder? 04.20.02 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.20.47 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 04.25.36 Quit meestaplu () 04.29.59 # * JdGordon got the first commit of spring :D 04.32.50 Part TrueJournals 04.35.32 Join Jazz00006 [0] (n=Jazz0000@219-90-179-47.ip.adam.com.au) 04.37.35 Quit uski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.45.23 Join afruff [0] (n=afruff@pool-72-83-123-16.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 04.45.51 # Where should I upload a screenshot of doom on the X5? 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access ANSI C 05.09.51 # yeah, sure... thanx for that :) ill read and learn (i came here directly for rockbox programming so i didnt have to convert it bool nameoffunction(bool input) { /* The start of the actual function is always the same as the prototype, but with {}'s 05.09.52 # instead of a semicolon.*/ 05.09.52 # 05.09.52 DBUG Enqueued KICK Jazz00006 05.09.52 # if(input) { /* This is just some example code which would get the input, check if it's true, and */ 05.09.53 # return false; /* if it is, then make the function output false */ 05.09.55 # } 05.09.57 # return true; /* Or if the input was false, then the output will be true. */ 05.09.59 # } 05.10.01 # blarg 05.10.03 # wtf 05.10.15 # bugger ctrl v 05.11.33 # if you arent up on function prototypes, you'll probaby want to find a C channel, or do lots of google searching, but yes a prototype is just the function w/o the curlys and a semicolon, and just defines a function so the compiler knows what it is and lets the linker find it 05.12.28 # it was just a copy nd paste from the rockbox- making plugins page, i had it for refrence 05.13.52 # I havent looked at any of that...I have been of and on working on drivers....trying to figure out wtf is going on with the hardware 5 band eq... 05.16.27 # sure :) no problem 05.19.13 # stupid builds have stalled agin :'( 05.24.36 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 05.28.37 # yay i got a bit furthere 05.28.44 # further* 05.28.49 # thanx guys 05.29.21 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 05.29.28 Part Paul_The_Nerd 05.30.20 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-21-13.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 05.33.29 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 05.40.49 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 05.40.49 # * Jazz00006 slaps belze around a bit with a large trout 05.41.45 # * billytwowilly slaps Jazz00006 around with a small cranberry 05.43.20 # * Jazz00006 slaps billytwowilly around a bit with a large trout 05.43.38 # * billytwowilly slaps Jazz00006 around with an icbm 05.43.44 # =) cranberry 05.44.27 # cranberry = awesome 05.44.38 # way better than an icbm. 05.44.53 # howd u change it from trout? 05.45.05 # yah, see, I am not using mirc. 05.45.17 # mirc coddles you. 05.45.22 # =( 05.45.34 # see, if you were using something else you would have been forced long ago to learn about /me 05.45.46 # try it out ;) type /me then something 05.45.55 # ick...mirc 05.45.55 # * billytwowilly slaps Jazz00006 around with a pork rind 05.46.01 # * Jazz00006 ? 05.46.06 # oh 05.46.16 # * Jazz00006 is bored 05.46.21 # where you type your words type... there you go. 05.46.23 # * scorche stabs mirc with a large trout 05.46.57 # * Jazz00006 runs away and hides in a corner 05.47.04 # * billytwowilly pees on the bleeding corpse of mirc 05.50.11 # well, that fixes that problem of mirc =) 05.55.57 # * Snyper likes mirc, but has been using it since before it "coddled" you 05.56.08 # I remember when use of colors would get you banned from most channels lol 05.56.33 # o realy? 05.56.35 # it still would imo... 05.56.45 # if i had my way at least 05.57.10 # lol, well the reason it did then was because BitchX didnt support it and most people on IRC were using it, so they would just see a bunch of garbage, then get pissed 05.57.21 # now most fserv channels have fservs with color ads... 05.57.27 # ugh.. 05.58.09 # Personally, I dont use color....I'm no artist so aything I try to do to make something look good, always makes it look worse 05.58.21 # so my use of colors would annoy me, let alone others lol 06.00.13 # color pisses me off also. 06.01.44 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzz") 06.03.00 Quit carini ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 06.07.12 # ha!...finally remembered what i was going to do =D 06.07.27 # oh crap, stupid ernesto....I think I gotta leave tonight to go to pa.....cause I ride a motorcycle.... 06.08.57 # Arghhhhhhh stupid tropical storms.....ruining my night..... 06.09.11 # I guess I'm going to go pack up... 06.12.39 # =S 06.14.38 # is there anyway to just compile 1 file for rockboz? 06.14.42 # rockbox* 06.18.06 # * Jazz00006 waits for an awnser 06.21.09 Quit Snyper () 06.32.18 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 06.34.30 Quit Pyromancer (Client Quit) 06.37.12 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 06.43.00 # Jazz00006: if you only want to compile a plugin then no.. if u want to compile the rockbox.target file then do make bin 06.43.00 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 06.44.21 # jhMikeS: Do you mean that one could record in from optical and real-time encode to MP3? 06.46.54 # =S yeah all i wanted was to make a plugin, looks like im gonna have to wait untill i compile EVERYTHING again rofl 06.48.20 # any one want to help me? 06.48.30 # what do i have to do to make this work? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6191.msg48358#new 06.52.59 # Wikipedia says that 3.1 is due november....we better get crackin' =P 06.53.38 # Jazz00006: install ccache, and dont touch any files other than the plugin your playing with and it should be very quick to do the compile 06.56.13 # dan_a: there? 06.56.32 # JdGordon: sry for being a newb, but how/ where do i install/place it 07.02.52 # nvm 07.02.59 # * Jazz00006 gives up 07.04.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.04.26 # place what? 07.05.36 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.06.38 # wait a tic...i thought the ipod nano didnt have recording hardware... 07.09.45 Quit _Lucretia_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.09.59 # i got it dont worry :) 07.10.09 # Davide-NYC: Yes, it should do the trick...sorry I'm contemplating some stick problems here 07.10.34 # hhhm..... how do i declare a string? 07.10.48 # jhMikeS: OK, then that line makes sense being displayed... 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(assuming that space for linux partition) and about 2-3 Mb for rockbox 08.03.32 Quit Jazz00006 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.04.08 # bah 08.04.23 # so what you're saying is that linux is beating rockbox on atleast one front;) 08.04.50 # billytwowilly: they really are 2 different philosophies though... 08.04.54 # at what? :/ 08.05.14 # it's about ten times as big as rockbox as a firmware;) 08.05.25 # oh.... 08.11.21 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 08.12.35 Quit Jazz00006_1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.13.17 # billytwowilly, so that's rockbox thats nicer :) ... anyway they are to different in many aspects to compare 08.14.56 # as i said.... =P 08.17.43 Quit excitatory (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.17.54 Join gopp [0] (i=party@ool-43557d40.dyn.optonline.net) 08.17.56 # hi 08.18.05 # where do I get predefined equalizer 08.18.09 # I see the option 08.18.11 # but no equalizer 08.18.21 # like latin equalizer or hiphop equalizer or jazz 08.18.49 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6a7910816427d425) 08.18.56 # gopp: there is none in Rockbox 08.19.04 # oh 08.19.09 # gopp, equalizer is used to tune sound to sound nice on different headphones ... so there is none usual like you said 08.19.12 # why does it have that option 08.19.36 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.19.37 # so that you can create your own and switch between them 08.19.38 # theli_ua so it won't work to tune to aux in car 08.19.44 # oh 08.19.57 # g'morning swedes 08.20.00 # I tought like most mp3 players and itunes or winamp has predefined 08.20.09 # gopp, you can tune it as you like 08.20.24 # gopp: rockbox is not itunes nor winamp you know 08.20.31 # oh 08.20.39 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.21.32 # gopp, there was some talk about presets in the forums ... like http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5793.0 08.22.01 # Bagder: i added the 3G (didnt look like anyone else stepped up to it) and edited the H10 entry on DeviceChart...can you look it over for any glaring errors? 08.22.54 Join webguest78 [0] (i=cb2d61b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 08.22.57 # looks fine 08.23.12 Nick webguest78 is now known as Iguana (i=cb2d61b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dda2ce2ac7a82717) 08.23.13 # btw.. anyone knows what stops pacth for requesting absolute wheel positions on ipods from including? 08.23.14 # woo 08.23.31 # * scorche cheers 08.23.45 # * Iguana cheers for the fun 08.23.45 # o.o 08.24.43 Nick tuwe|away is now known as tuwe (n=the_fuch@193.5.60.49) 08.24.49 Join aliasone [0] (n=aliasone@S0106006008c1982f.cg.shawcable.net) 08.25.29 Quit Iguana (Client Quit) 08.26.38 # tuwe, so how is your mini wps going? :) 08.28.28 # it isn't going at all... i stopped yesterday evening, and i wonder if its something with bitmap display in general. i'm afraid i don't understand it completely. 08.29.14 # you know, when i view bmp files on the simulator, they display correctly, but when i use them in a theme they are broken. 08.29.32 # i wonder why. the bitmaps i use are screendumps from the simulator. 08.30.06 Join oxygen77 [0] (i=c1c2842b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/infidelguy.com/x-c52829c55daea774) 08.31.33 # strange .. i've made some wpses for mini and haven't noticed any problems using bitmaps ... i've created them in gimp ... like in this wps http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodMini#Tango 08.32.47 # yes, that one worked until yesterday morning. 08.33.00 # yesterday morning, that is 24 hours ago. 08.35.40 # no wait... it didn't have a config file, so i created one. 08.36.52 # and the bitmaps don't work anymore inside the wps. 08.37.02 # morning all 08.37.03 # even on an unpatched simulator. 08.37.09 # Bagder: Hanging build... 08.37.29 Quit Xerion (" ") 08.38.23 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 08.38.34 # tuwe, thats strange ... you sure it is unpatched? so even my wps doesn't display bitmaps? 08.39.15 # tuwe: The screendump function on the greyscale targets writes 4bpp BMP files. The rockbox BMP loader cannot handle these 08.40.03 # Load them into an imaging program and re-save as 8bpp (or 1bpp if you only need b&w) 08.41.10 # thelia_ua: yes i have both a patched and an unpatched version to check if it's the patches fault if something's not running. 08.41.36 # amiconn: yes, but the screendumps display fine in the rockbox picture viewer...? 08.42.00 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.42.11 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.42.27 # tuwe: Huh? Rockbox has no bmp viewer I know of 08.45.14 # amiconn: i did the following: start simulator, press f5 while playing a song in a working wps (rockbox default, hehe), going to the root dir of the simulator, and there were some files called dump*.bmp. clicking on them displayed the image, and it displayed fine. 08.45.54 # even after converting them to jpg with imagemagick viewing them worked. 08.45.58 # Clicking on them in Windows I presume 08.46.20 # no, in the simulator. besides that, i don't have windows. :) 08.46.27 # k 08.46.36 # Do you have any patches applied? 08.47.26 Quit _Lucretia_ (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 08.47.59 # Viewing jpeg works of course, because rockbox has a jpeg viewer 08.48.24 # i have yesterdays cvs with bmp_resize, album_art, and list_accel patch. 08.49.06 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dyn-62-56-73-121.dslaccess.co.uk) 08.49.28 # ok i just found bmp viewing doesn't work. i told you crap, sorry. 08.50.22 # well, that would explain why i end up with a frozen simulator all the time. 08.51.19 # It shouldn't freeze 08.51.49 # it freezes when i try to view bmp files. jpg is ok. 08.51.57 # It should just ignore clicking on a .bmp 08.52.34 # it ignores clicking on png, for example. 08.53.32 # does the picture viewer have something to do with the bmp2rb in the tools folder of the source? 08.53.55 # no 08.54.14 # Bagder: There is a dependency problem concerning the sub-dir plugins: If something is changed in the plugin library, the ordinary plugins get re-linked, but the sub-dir plugins don't. Found that while testing grayscale lib changes with doom - I always had to delete doom.rock and doom.elf in order to force re-linking 08.54.53 # It's probably a simple fix for those who know make and Makefiles well enough... 08.55.25 # i ask because when you rework a bmp with the bmp2rb tool and produce ascii art output, it looks very similar to when the rockbox simulator freezes. 08.56.40 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 08.57.22 # Quick question..? In playback.c, for targets which don't have adjustable CPU frequency, there is the following line: 08.57.24 # #define voice_boost_cpu(state) do { } while(0) 08.57.34 # Why is the null do loop required? 08.57.50 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.58.24 # scorche: I'm here now 08.59.01 # dan_a: your assistance is no longer needed =) 08.59.05 # but, thanks 08.59.06 # pondlife: Probably just to stay 100% clean. You can make the macro collapse to nothing, but that leaves an extra semicolon on the line. 09.00.33 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.00.34 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 09.00.44 # OK, as long as it's not some gcc weirdness 09.00.50 # Thanks 09.04.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.05.08 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 09.11.45 Join excitatory [0] (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-39-68.wi.res.rr.com) 09.12.14 # it is the "standard" way of defining a null function 09.12.42 # the compiler will optimize it away 09.17.12 Join Jazz00006_1 [0] (n=Jazz0000@219-90-179-47.ip.adam.com.au) 09.28.00 Join norminator [0] (n=norminat@CPE-60-227-66-3.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 09.28.23 # hey 09.28.35 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 09.29.26 # LD /home/uwe/rockbox/build-20060901/apps/plugins/doom.rock 09.29.27 # bash: makke: command not found 09.29.30 # ??? 09.29.59 # makke? 09.30.25 # I'll take a stab and say that the doom makefile refers to makke? 09.30.26 # that's the error i get when i try to build todays cvs source :) 09.30.37 # tuwe: then you've modified it 09.30.38 # You in cygwin or linux? 09.30.43 # linux 09.30.57 # I see 52 fine, uh 51 fine builds 09.31.16 # grep -rl "makke" . <-- run that in apps/plugins 09.31.28 # and it should tell you what file you need to change 09.33.15 # Badger: i haven't modified anything inside the plugin dir. 09.33.33 # then why do you get this problem and not the build machines? 09.36.01 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-138-195.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.36.18 # aliask: thanks 09.36.28 # Out of interest, what file was it? 09.37.13 # Badger: i don't know why. i did a make clean in the build dir, and then ../rockbox-devel/tools/configure again and then make and now it works. 09.37.30 # that's really strange, because i started with an empty build dir before. 09.37.48 # aliask: it's still performing the search? 09.38.09 # ... it shouldn't take that long, perhaps I gave you the wrong command... 09.38.36 # Try with a "-rn" instead of "-rl" 09.41.14 # oh dude.... i found the error. it sits in front of the keyboard: i typed make && makke install (please note the typo). i guess i should get more sleep. sorry for all the trouble, i'll try and find the error first before posting silly things. sorry. 09.43.35 # I am attempting to understand and document playback.c. I've rearranged the routines to be in thread-based sections (i.e. all audio/codec/voice parts together). No code has changed, apart from a few internal routine names. Would anyone here object if I commit it? I'll put it up as a patch first but it's not overly readable in that form! 09.44.50 # linuxstb_, are you here? 09.46.17 # * amiconn just had a crazy idea 09.46.25 # A tetris clone for th eplayer! 09.48.00 # * Jazz00006_1 slaps amiconn with a rubber chicken 09.48.03 # fool 09.48.07 # :) 09.49.55 # Now we have a MIDI synth, has anyone considered a sequencer? Maybe not real time, but the ability to set up MIDI on a piano roll at least... 09.50.20 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46665.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.52.55 Join fejfighter [0] (n=jeffro21@d211-31-232-162.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 09.56.23 # Slasheri, LinusN, lostlogic: can I bring the patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5918 to your attention. This does NOTHING! But it rearranges the routines in playback.c to be grouped by thread. I find this easier to work with and would like to commit before it goes out of sync. Your views please... 09.57.18 # pondlife: go ahead 09.59.38 # Done 10.00.20 Quit excitatory (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.00.25 Join excitatory [0] (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-39-68.wi.res.rr.com) 10.00.29 # Hope no-one else liked the old layout better (or had patches ready to go that are now desync-ed). 10.01.14 Quit dan_a (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.02.41 Quit XavierGr () 10.03.46 Join webguest64 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-097611a33ebe8f82) 10.08.21 Quit StevenX (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.12.50 Quit Jazz00006_1 () 10.14.22 # theli_ua: I am now. 10.16.03 # linuxstb_, oh... nice ... i'm just about the same question (i hope you don't hate me still :) ) 10.17.35 # I'm afraid I haven't looked at zxbox recently... Been distracted with my new Elio. 10.17.55 # oh.. i only have one DAP :) 10.18.02 # only one! 10.18.06 # caveman 10.18.09 # ;-) 10.18.11 # :( 10.18.18 # Even I have 2 ;-p 10.18.31 # * linuxstb_ is attempting to catch up with LinusN 10.18.39 # the race is on 10.18.39 Quit _Lucretia_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.18.42 # how many has he? 10.19.00 # Has anyone collected the whole set (i.e. all Rockbox targets)? 10.19.07 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dyn-62-56-117-104.dslaccess.co.uk) 10.19.07 # I have all of the sims... 10.19.19 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h8n8c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 10.19.24 # pondlife: no, there's nobody that has all targets 10.19.32 # that we know of at least 10.19.43 # Probably for the best, it would be expensive keeping up 10.19.45 # Linus has some 15 10.19.56 # Yes, but 7 of those are the same.. 10.20.08 # (or somesuch) 10.20.34 # I have 2 Archos Recorders, but neither is working properly 10.20.47 # i have 10 unique targets 10.20.56 # Not bad.... 10.21.48 # 50% of the CVS built targets 10.21.56 # linuxstb_, just wanted to say that i think i've done all that i could to zxbox ... though sound remains not perfect but i'm not very skilled with sound/dsp... 10.22.11 # playerold, playernew, recv1, fmrec, h110, h120, h320eu, h320us, x5, ipod video 10.22.37 # Hmm, are the 2 H320s unique? They run the same Rockbox... 10.22.46 # And the players too.. 10.22.58 # they are unique in the way the handle usbotg 10.23.00 Join bluebrother [0] (i=uagxtxvK@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 10.23.13 # That will be useful one day soon of course.. 10.23.14 # yeah, they are unique hw-wise 10.23.23 # LinusN: have you bought them yourself? Or did someone make a donation? 10.23.27 # the players are different in several aspects 10.23.41 # * theli_ua is waiting when sansa will be supported to change his mini :) 10.23.42 # So I guess my 2 Recorders are unique HW wise. One has a working HD, one does not. 10.23.48 # most of them are bought with donated money 10.23.59 # pondlife: :-) 10.24.07 # pondlife: if you count broken ones I assume Linus will bump his number ;-) 10.24.08 # LinusN: the truth is as always in the middle :-) 10.24.21 # the fm recorder was a birthday gift from an american who wanted rockbox on it 10.24.34 # and he got it 10.24.51 # matthew p o'reilly, iirc 10.25.41 # Bagder: who sent you a PC to make the sim? ;-) 10.25.48 # what we really need is an american who buys consulting contracts from your company, so you can work on rockbox full time ;) 10.26.03 # webguest64: I'm still waiting for that, it must've gotten lost in the mail! 10.26.17 # Lynx_: would be nice 10.26.42 # Bagder: ye, that little box... 10.26.44 # "hello mr Haxx, we want to buy you full-time for doing cool Rockbox work" 10.26.46 # sandisk, cowon and iriver should join forces and hire us 10.27.02 # Why? They get it for free anwya 10.27.04 # anyway 10.27.11 # Maybe you should go on strike? 10.27.14 # because it would be more fun for us! 10.27.14 # because i want the money? 10.27.20 # iriver certainly seem to be embracing rockbox... 10.27.32 # and blame rockbox for hw problems... 10.27.37 # Really - I thought they were hostile -> indifferent 10.27.45 # aliask: yeah, we are a perfect excuse for them to bail out of their warranty 10.27.56 # they like us for that yes 10.28.00 # Yes, they use it as a scapegoat, no doubt. 10.28.02 # archos too 10.28.08 # Embrace The Scapegoat 10.28.27 # Do I smell a new rockbox catchphrase? 10.28.31 # :) 10.28.37 # Nah, maybe a band name I was thinking 10.28.47 # Rockbox is a band name. 10.28.52 # neuros has the duck, we have the goat 10.29.02 # A scapeduck? 10.29.11 # That's cruel 10.29.24 # No crueler than a scapegoat. 10.29.35 # Hmm, goats are able to run away at least 10.29.43 # Ducks can fly? 10.29.56 # Hmm, forgot that 10.29.59 # :) 10.30.01 # What about scapehens? 10.30.15 # Or scape-emu's 10.30.16 # Mmm, KFS 10.30.20 # pondlife: recently we had a discussion on the new RB logo. That would be nice one: RockBox: Embrace The Scapegoat 10.30.35 # yes, we need a cute goat 10.30.37 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 10.30.48 # "scape - the goat" 10.30.49 # Steal the winamp llama and call it a goat. 10.30.54 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 10.30.57 # I like the existing logo. Too many animals in logos now (especially in Open Source) 10.31.23 # It's not original enough for Rockbox. Besides it would probably look like a deformed Gnu. 10.31.28 # pondlife: but we still need an ey catching slogan 10.31.50 # "Rockbox - feeds the hand that bites it" 10.32.00 # pondlife: like: RockBox -- enjoy the silence! 10.32.08 # Bagder: Classic :) 10.32.23 # Bagder: that's not bad!!! 10.32.28 # webguest64: On a related note, that's a great song. 10.32.59 # aliask: well, I'm not a fan of DM 10.33.23 # Yes, but "enjoy the silence" implies that you've not got any music playing, perhaps because you've just allowed playback to come to a natural end, then pressed play and crashed hard.. 10.33.26 # I wasn't either until I heard that song (the Mike Shinoda remix to be preise) 10.33.39 # not....a....fan...of....DM 10.34.46 # pondlife: no it means that the playback is so good that the silence is heard as silence, i.e. without any noise! 10.35.31 # Think deep :-) 10.35.34 # webguest64: But that's usually not software related - I still get pretty bad hiss on my H300 10.35.46 # Me too. 10.36.18 # where the code for file browser is? 10.36.19 # But that's for adverticing, not for reality 10.36.30 # "rockbox - For really, how hard can it be?" 10.36.50 # theli_ua: in tree.c? 10.36.52 # "Rockbox - come and have a go if you think it's hard enough" 10.37.14 # webguest64, yeah ... i've already found that :) thnx 10.37.16 # Bagder: That depends what player you're trying to get it running on! 10.37.23 # haha 10.37.23 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF11C.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.37.31 # yeah, I know one that is fairly hard 10.37.33 # "Rockbox: Make your expensive stuff do what YOU want it to." 10.38.30 # "Rockbox - Aren't cool enough? Get DOOM on your ipod!" 10.38.30 # RockBox: and the life gets hard 10.38.32 # * scorche ducks 10.39.31 # "Rockbox - because Apples are not the only fruit" 10.39.33 # "Rockbox - It's fairly unlikely to turn your DAP into an expensive doorstop" 10.39.55 # Ooh, can the pear be the official fruit of Rockbox? 10.40.21 # Brings a new meaning to the phrase "pear shaped". 10.40.27 # Better than a lemon though 10.40.32 # Heh. 10.40.34 # lol 10.40.40 # but we'll have to charge the Pear business for getting a good boost from our good name 10.40.50 # Why are lemons so maligned? 10.40.53 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.40.56 Quit damaki_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.41.15 Join webguest51 [0] (i=c0647cda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.41.44 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-4-86.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.42.30 # * pondlife has to do some work now 10.42.51 # Any idea why I get "clock skew detected" when building after a "make clean"? 10.44.58 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 10.46.05 # something changed your clock? Like ntpdate? 10.46.32 # Did you do a "cvs update" just before? 10.46.32 # Lear, what is your system date&time ? 10.46.38 # No, shouldn't be that at least. I have an idea though... 10.47.06 # (No clock changes, that is...) 10.47.11 # Ah, forgot to mention - playback.c and plugin.lds have different IRAM setup for PNX0101... someone may want to fix that 10.47.34 Quit damaki (Excess Flood) 10.48.02 # Should those definitions be put into an iram.h or somewhere shared? 10.48.17 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-4-86.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.48.26 # I won't change it as I only pretend to know what it's all about. 10.48.26 # pondlife: they should be in config-*.h 10.48.35 # That would make sense 10.48.35 # since those are included 10.49.00 # Maybe someone who knows could do that then.. ;-) 10.49.49 # The Rockbox part of my brain is currently dedicated to voice thread queuing issues. 10.56.06 Quit fejfighter () 10.58.00 # hm .. slightly offtopic ... anyone worked with HP Atalla Network Security Processors ? 10.59.50 # :( 11.02.47 # pondlife: Have you seen this forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6238.0 11.04.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.04.44 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-159-117.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 11.09.20 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF11C.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.09.25 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54877960.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.11.16 # I have now 11.11.25 # Not sure why that would happen... 11.12.41 # I'll just retest on my H340 11.12.49 # Sounds more like amiconns change could be the cause... 11.13.12 # Ah, yes 11.13.17 # Much more likely 11.14.27 # Darn, will be a while... for some reason my H340 just ran out of battery 11.15.54 # Hey, why does the developer badge appear twice in the forum?? 11.16.40 # Can anyone else with a non-PP device see if their backlight is working? 11.17.02 # SWCODEC and non-PP 11.17.41 # The off-by-one fix shouldn't break anything, unless someone tried to use cycles == 0 before 11.17.53 # The backlight fading definitely doesn't 11.18.20 # True. bit it seems more likely than the playback.c shuffle. 11.18.36 # pondlife: Backlight fading doesn't apply to H300 11.18.54 # The only non-pp target that also has backlight fading (software pwm) is the H1x0 11.19.19 # OK, can anyone out there test that? 11.19.26 # The timer _definitely_ works with that fix. I ran a test plugin to verify my fix 11.19.39 # Does playback.c have any impact on the backlight? 11.21.21 # It #includes "backlight.h", but this isn't actually used 11.22.08 # I can't test myself atm 11.22.17 # Me neither. 11.22.18 # The mini also has backlight fading, will test tonight 11.22.22 # OK 11.22.50 # I didn't notice unusual behaviour with my latest build, but then I might not have paid enough attention 11.23.30 # Hm.. I can test a bleeding edge build (have an H140)... 11.23.37 Join Kingstone [0] (i=Snape@87.69.67.78) 11.25.31 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 11.26.05 # The H300 sim doesn't seem to report backlight off. 11.27.21 Quit damaki (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.27.42 Part oxygen77 11.27.52 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-4-86.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.28.33 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 11.28.45 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@59.100.1.44) 11.30.46 # Woohoo! Greece won USA at basketball! 11.30.52 Join ghode|afk [0] (n=garudin@87-194-60-156.bethere.co.uk) 11.40.33 Join stamppot [0] (i=d4883814@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 11.40.40 # Hey guys... 11.41.06 # Quick question: a collegue of mine put rockbox onto his H10 today. 11.41.19 # He's telling me he is only getting a grey screen. 11.41.44 # I came to understand that at least the normal menus should work. Was I wrong? 11.42.05 # "a grey screen" is not telling us much 11.42.19 # there should at least be text on it 11.42.28 # Bagder: I know... This is what I've been told over skype just now... 11.42.44 # That's what I had assumed, yeah... 11.43.02 # Could it be that the contrast is wrong? The H10 port is very new 11.43.05 # possibly he got the wrong bootloader 11.43.26 # Could be, I've suggested the same thing... 11.44.04 # He is thinking the same thing... He's attempting a new download.. 11.45.51 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 11.50.01 # pondlife: backlight seems ok on a h140... 11.50.03 # dan_a: In your crt0.S cleanup, you didn't commit firmware/crt0.S 11.50.13 # I guess this isn't on purpose... 11.50.25 # amiconn: No, it's not 11.50.32 # I'll do that now 11.50.33 # Hmm, so perhaps a PP issue? 11.51.44 Join Siimors [0] (i=Siimors@85.234.180.112) 11.55.17 # amiconn: done. pondlife: The commit I missed out only removed code that would never be called 11.56.47 # dan_a: Actually I was thinking aloud there. 12.00.22 # hey pondlife has two developer badges in the forum! ;-) 12.00.44 # That's multi-threaded development... 12.00.48 # One is a good developer, one's an evil one 12.01.09 # now, who'll be the first with three! 12.02.01 # pondlife: Jekyll and Hyde 12.02.02 # It's like monopoly. Get 4 and you get a developer hotel. 12.02.11 # haha 12.02.32 # Well, neither of me can work out why the backlight code should have suffered from playback.c rework 12.02.42 # And nor can I 12.02.57 # It's definitely that commit that breaks it? 12.03.14 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.03.18 # According to the forum poster, yes. 12.03.26 # Don't believe the forum poster :) 12.03.35 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 12.03.37 # My thoughts exactly. 12.06.02 # Although it's impossible to see what your patch did... 12.06.05 # wait...a hotel was 5 houses... 12.06.14 # Not if you cheat 12.06.18 # (from the diff, anyway) 12.06.30 Quit norminator (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different") 12.06.31 # You'll have to trust me I'm afraid 12.06.42 # It's a big anagram 12.07.00 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 12.07.08 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54877960.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.07.16 # I basically made sure that all routines which were only called from one thread were prefixed with codec_ / audio_ / voice_ 12.07.34 # Then moved them into blocks, maintaining original sequence as much as possible 12.08.03 # Had to redo a couple of declarations too, but just sequencing 12.08.08 Join Coldtoast [0] (n=me@ppp105-175.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 12.08.08 # It could also be nice to split them into separate files at some point. 12.08.10 # hi all 12.08.17 # That's what I'm doing now 12.08.33 # with the latest cvs build the backlight on my nano no longer turns off 12.08.52 # Have seperated out the voice stuff and can exclude it with a #define. The crash I'm looking into goes away without the voice stuff. 12.09.10 # I really want to document how it's all meant to work before I change anything 12.09.14 # i.e. any code 12.09.27 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp175-13.adsl.forthnet.gr) 12.09.30 # But this may be a few days away yet 12.09.46 # Coldtoast: Thanks for the report - we're already investigating. 12.09.47 Quit pabs (Remote closed the connection) 12.10.00 # ah ok 12.10.04 # I didn't want to lose my rearrangement, so into CVS it went. 12.10.41 # playback.c includes "backlight.h", but I've removed it locally with no ill effects, not sure why it was in there. 12.11.46 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@ip68-100-248-22.dc.dc.cox.net) 12.12.43 # Might be easiest to temporarily rollback either playback.c, or amiconn's timer mod and see if the backlight is still broken? I favour the timer mod as the diff is readable. 12.13.47 # I'm just compiling a current CVS build now for my ipod. I'll test both. 12.13.52 # Great 12.14.14 # I'll be here for a while yet, keep us informed. 12.14.27 # * pondlife goes back to work 12.18.02 # pondlife: Backlight works fine on my ipod Photo. So I'm guessing it's specific to the video/Nano - they share the same backlight code. I'm guessing it's the fading code, which does indeed use the timers affected by amiconn's commit. 12.18.46 # Coldtoast: Can you disable backlight fading and see if that fixes the problem? 12.22.50 # Coldtoast: Don't worry - I've just tested on my 5g, and yes, it's the fading code that's broken. If I disable the fading, the backlight goes off. 12.29.15 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.29.47 # ok. cool 12.29.50 # thanks 12.32.55 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 12.34.40 Nick ^BeN^ is now known as Paprica (i=Paprica@DSL217-132-172-134.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.36.33 # oh sorry! I'll disable it now 12.42.23 # back 12.42.30 # yep. works fine 12.43.01 # just found out it's not a good idea to disable fade out but not fade in. heh 12.44.40 Quit arp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.44.41 Join arp [0] (i=infinite@obscure.metachar.net) 12.47.18 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.47.18 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.47.33 Quit excitatory (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.47.34 Join excitatory_ [0] (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-39-68.wi.res.rr.com) 12.48.21 Part ootput 12.48.33 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 12.48.43 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6758.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.48.53 # :) 12.57.57 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967E6E.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.02.08 Join excitatory__ [0] (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-39-68.wi.res.rr.com) 13.02.55 Quit excitatory_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.04.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.13 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 13.07.02 Join ootput [0] (n=ootput@tor/regular/five0) 13.07.46 # hello, how do i check out the latest changes made to thecvs source for an ipod mini 1g? 13.08.03 # Backlight staying on? 13.08.10 # or, perhaps a listing of all chagnes 13.08.16 # ootput: www.rockbox.org's front page 13.08.39 # Or http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html for older changes 13.09.32 # pondlife: someting of the sort 13.09.51 # Disable backlight fading 13.18.25 Part ootput 13.20.57 # hehe, i bought two sixpacks of lidl's cola to my cabinet in school :p 13.21.01 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD3038.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.21.08 # now i have something to drink there 13.22.15 Join deadhead [0] (n=deadhead@host-84-220-127-151.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 13.26.19 # hi guys something strange has appened: if I load a firmware older than 30.8.2006 CVS I cannot hear nothing 13.26.38 # GUI work flawlessly ma no audio... 13.27.02 # I have a 4G Ipod 2nd generation 13.27.16 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 13.28.42 # You mean a 2nd Generation mini? 13.30.08 # linuxstb, btw do you own some grayscale iPod ? 13.30.30 # theli_ua: No. 13.30.42 # bad :( 13.31.18 # cause i've experienced some problem when tried to go back from using grayscale to 4bpp in zxbox and need an advice :(\ 13.31.44 # What's the problem? I (or someone else) might be able to help. 13.33.35 # all grayscale code in zxbox is surrounded with ifdef USE_GRAY (even the #include "gray.h") .. when i undef it an d build for sim (mini2g) all goes fine.... but when i make a build for device i get strange interlaced screen output (i'll opst a screenshot now) 13.34.05 # i just wanted to use 4bpp on my target cause its far more faster then grayscale 13.35.08 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 13.38.09 # linuxstb, debug screendump doesn't work for me in zxbox :(.. i can't post screenshot 13.38.10 # linuxstb: Sorry, but don't suppose you're able to quickly try undoing http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/kernel.c.diff?r1=1.57&r2=1.58 and http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/timer.c.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13 13.38.19 # Locally I mean 13.38.55 # theli_ua: I can test it on my H140 - can you compile a build for me? 13.39.28 # linuxstb, no .. i've asked about iPods cause only 4bpp code left is for horizontal packing :) 13.39.44 # Ah, OK. 13.40.53 # theli_ua: You could add a call to the screen_dump function manually. I forget the exact name - I think it's in apps/misc.c. You may have to add it to the plugin API as well though. 13.41.11 # pondlife: Sure. 13.41.19 Part LinusN 13.42.01 # Just thinking you could lift a small load off my shoulders, what with you having a 5G. You did manage to repro the problem I take it...? 13.42.49 # Yes - see my earlier messages here... 13.42.56 # Thought so 13.43.36 # And yes, reverting those changes means the backlight fading works again. 13.43.47 # So we can all point to amiconn :) 13.43.55 # OK, so not my fault... Phew! 13.43.55 Quit stamppot ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.44.17 # * pondlife thought he'd broken something unexplainable on his second ever commit 13.44.31 # No, but you made the mistake of believing a bug report. 13.44.37 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host186-139.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 13.44.45 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d01m-89-83-129-191.d4.club-internet.fr) 13.45.01 # haha 13.45.02 # I wouldn't say I believed it, but was concerned at the allegation 13.45.17 # what a rookie mistake ;-) 13.45.23 # what screen_dump_set_hook function in PLUGIN_API does? 13.45.51 # * pondlife relaxes and re-enables forum ignore mode 13.46.02 # * linuxstb recommends that mode 13.47.03 # I'll have to ignore bits of IRC too: e.g. "11.02.47 # pondlife: Have you seen this forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6238.0" 13.47.17 # * dan_a gets embarrassed 13.47.28 # dan_a: don't worry 13.48.00 # I haven't enabled "shoot the messenger" mode 13.48.31 # sry I was AWK 13.48.43 # well I have a 2nd generation Ipod yes 13.49.06 # and last working firmware is 30-8-06 13.49.25 Join jewfag [0] (n=HPUX@i249222.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 13.49.29 Nick jewfag is now known as dongs (n=HPUX@i249222.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 13.49.32 # all newer firmwares doesn't let me listen anything at al 13.49.59 # are you unzipping all files then? 13.50.25 # theli_ua: Looking at the code in apps/misc.c, screen_dump_hook is a user-defined function called at the start of the screen_dump function. I've no idea what it's used for though - but you can ignore it. 13.50.45 # linuxstb, i see 13.50.54 # deadhead: What exactly happens when you try to play a file? 13.51.07 # the interface appear correctly 13.51.16 # and everything looks right 13.51.21 # but no sound :( 13.51.24 # deadhead: What file format? 13.51.38 # mp3 13.51.45 # Volume... ? 13.51.48 # Have you tried installing an older version of Rockbox again? Does that still work? 13.52.10 # pondlife, I used the complete volume gamma: no sound :D 13.52.19 # deadhead: did you unzip/relace all files? 13.52.23 # replace 13.52.35 # linuxstb, yes the last firmware who work is 30.8.06 cvs with that work 13.53.11 # Bagder, I always check with diff the .rockbox folder on my ipod and on the archive : the are the same 13.53.27 # * linuxstb wonders if the H10 audio commits broke the ipod audio 13.53.35 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.54.25 # as far as I remeber another time was happen... maybe it's just a matter of time 13.55.00 # I have been very pleased to see the support to images in new firmware, REALLY COOL 13.55.20 # 3G iPod audio works with latest CVS 13.56.05 # time doesn't fix problem 13.56.10 # s 13.56.21 # Ops... I made a mistake: I have an Ipod *mini* 2generation 13.56.37 # well If devel know what's the problem, they'll solve it 13.57.02 # we are the devels 13.57.04 # since there's a working firmware this is not a blocking bug 13.57.20 # So the problem was introduced here: http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20060831.html 13.57.36 # Bagder: you are what? devils? ;-) 13.57.43 # I'm the devil 13.57.47 # yeah and that's the reason why I'm here: i want to help this great project 13.57.54 # devil-oper 13.58.07 # lol 13.58.08 # exactly form 31.8 no sound on ipod mini 2g 13.58.57 # linuxstb, i've tried to add screen_dump to plugin api and call it from app... i get some strange effect - i can see rockbox splah behind the screen for a moment and no dump is produced ... i'm confused 13.59.04 # Either H10 stuff, or the seekback fix..? "Fix volume being really low on H10"? 13.59.28 # theli_ua: Are you sure you've disabled all the greyscale code? 13.59.58 # The H10 volume commit is surrounded by H10 #ifdefs, so I can't see how that could change ipod builds. 14.00.07 # Nope 14.00.32 Quit illogic-al (Remote closed the connection) 14.00.59 # linuxstb, i've rechecked several times cause that is the first that comes to my mind ... removed all #include "gray.h" and even if come function calls where still left .. it wouldn't compile isn't it? 14.02.10 # Just to double-check, search for the word "gray" in zxbox.map - that will tell you if there are any grayscale functions being linked. 14.02.14 Part webguest64 ("Happy dev(e|i)ling!") 14.04.32 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 14.04.39 # linuxstb, i've already checked zxbox.map ... no references 14.08.06 # theli_ua: Then I've no more ideas... 14.08.40 # me too .. thats why i wanted an advice :( 14.10.26 # there, i'm willing to call musepack a nice rockbox codec now 14.11.08 # So is it now your preferred lossy codec in Rockbox? 14.11.40 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54BCE98E.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.11.58 # theli_ua: One thing you could check is to add "#warning HERE!" lines within your conditional blocks of code - to make sure the #ifdefs are being evaluated correctly. 14.11.59 # dunno, i want to do some listening tests first 14.12.07 # but it certainly has become a lot nicer 14.12.18 # it never boosts that i can see, seeks properly and sounds nice 14.12.40 # What about ipod performance? Any idea how it compares to mp3/vorbis? 14.12.45 # oh yeah, and doesn't suffer from the nasty mp3 mdct artifacts 14.13.11 # linuxstb, i've just tried to remove all inside that blocks ... nothing ... and this code worked before and works now on sim 14.13.24 # linuxstb: it's probably faster than bot 14.13.26 # h 14.14.04 # theli_ua: Do you want to post your latest patch somewhere? I could have a quick look at the source. 14.14.07 # doing a small bench now 14.14.43 # theli_ua: Or just your latest zxbox directory - assuming nothing outside has changed recently. 14.15.01 Join infamis [0] (i=4b0377fc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.15.52 # linuxstb, it's posted 14.16.04 # jhMikeS, if you read this...mp3_enc still broken for us cygwin users with m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.5... 14.16.09 # theli_ua: On flyspray? 14.16.12 # linuxstb: it's faster than mp3 by a fair margin 14.16.15 # fix: around line 2476.... 14.16.25 # change: : "d0", "d1", "d2", "d3", "d4", "d5", "d6", "d7", "a2", "a3", "a4", "a5" 14.16.31 # to: #if __GNUC__ > 3 || (__GNUC__ == 3 && (__GNUC_MINOR__ > 4 || __GNUC_MINOR__ == 4 && __GNUC_PATCHLEVEL__ >= 6)) 14.16.34 # : "d0", "d1", "d2", "d3", "d4", "d5", "d6", "d7", "a2", "a3", "a4", "a5" 14.16.36 # linuxstb, yes, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5400 14.16.36 # #endif 14.17.04 # theli_ua: The patch from yesterday? 14.17.15 # linuxstb, yes 14.17.46 # linuxstb, i'm trying to use it when USE_GRAY and USE_BUFFERED_GRAY are undefed (zxconfig.h) 14.17.46 Quit infamis (Client Quit) 14.18.18 # linuxstb: it also beats ogg by a very fair margin 14.18.29 # linuxstb: btw, it doesn't look like ogg is faster than mp3 anymore 14.18.36 # s/ogg/vorbis/ 14.19.07 # btw, what does 'vorbis' and 'ogg' mean? 14.19.24 # the sound codec? 14.19.28 # well yes 14.19.32 # vorbis is the actual audio codec, Ogg is the general-purpose container format. 14.19.43 # thanks 14.19.51 # preglow: you mean on ipods? mp3 is faster on coldfire... 14.20.26 # Lear: ah, yeah 14.20.42 # preglow: Yes, I've noticed that. Are vorbis and mp3 about the same? 14.21.06 # linuxstb: mp3 is slightly faster. i got 46% boost for a 220kbps vbr track, and vorbis gave about 50% for 170kbs 14.21.07 # I think that was dan_a's change to the -O option a while back. 14.21.16 # has anyone else experienced crashes on iriver h3xx when playing a specific mp3 :/ 14.21.21 # That's the only libmad change I can recall. 14.21.25 # not final boost ratio, i just measured over the same time span 14.22.40 # Need some C help from anybody who can. I want to look up an item in an array like so: array[variable_x] but variable_x is a char and I want to use the ascii character code in the lookup. How should I achieve this? 14.23.58 Join infamis [0] (i=4b0377fc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.24.02 # Exactly like that - you can use chars as array indexes. 14.24.38 # char letter = 'a'; int wild=table[letter]; 14.24.54 # or if there's only a subset....array[the_char - start_char] 14.25.08 # Oh, well that's easy :) 14.25.45 # the_char='d', and it's only lowercase alpha array, array[the_char - 'a']; 14.26.31 # So you get the offset from "a", I see. 14.26.33 # You might want/need to cast to unsigned char though... 14.27.18 # trial & error is the only way to truly program ;) 14.28.57 # I'm still having trouble getting my head around memory stuff, my only other programming experience has be VisualBasic. 14.29.10 # *been 14.29.53 # bit of advise needed, people who have ipods, how do you handle long lists with the scroll wheel, any setting recommendations? 14.30.46 # set your finger on wheel and scroll fast .. thats what i use 14.31.31 # not useful when you have a couple of thousand entries to go through 14.31.35 Quit Rondom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.32.00 Quit t0mas ("A lot of routes to host... but still have to reboot ;)") 14.32.37 # ghode|afk: I always avoid long lists. 14.33.28 Quit xNibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.33.53 # didn't playback use to all always boost when loading files? 14.34.09 # Yes, but that was change a while ago... 14.34.14 # that should come back 14.34.29 # with musepack it can both load and play without boosting 14.34.34 # but the loading takes ages... 14.34.37 # i'd love to use the scroll accerlation patch, but i think it has become out of sync with cvs ?:( 14.34.43 # so the disk also spins for ages 14.35.10 # Someone also needs to write an ARM version of ata_read/write_sectors... 14.35.25 # * linuxstb looks around for earHertz and his ARM memcpy 14.35.51 Join xNibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-69.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.35.55 # the flash plugin just hung... 14.35.55 # nice 14.36.05 # Ouch... 14.36.07 # Slasheri: ever seen that happen before? 14.36.28 # preglow: hmm, really? at what point did that happen? 14.36.42 # it printed three lines 14.36.46 # then hung 14.36.48 # btw, gcc 4.0.3 seems to work fine for coldfire. not tested _that_ much, but... 14.36.54 # flash version, size, etc 14.36.57 # did you try flash bootloader or rockbox? 14.37.01 # Slasheri: rockbox 14.37.04 # ok, and it didn't ask anything? 14.37.07 # nope 14.37.13 # i'll try again 14.37.20 # it MIGHT be my bug 14.37.21 # weird.. probably some other part of rockbox hanged then 14.37.41 # it IS my bug 14.37.45 # forget whatever i just said :) 14.37.49 # anyway, flashing bootloader has some extra safety checks and it will not print anything while it flashes the memory 14.37.57 # anyone here who uses greek? (besides XavierGr) 14.38.03 # hehe :D 14.38.25 # I'm a geek, does that count? 14.38.27 # Slasheri: does it yield while flashing? 14.38.32 # preglow: nope 14.38.37 # good 14.38.40 # markun: here 14.38.41 # but flashing rockbox _might_ yield 14.38.56 # but i think it doesn't yield also 14.38.58 # Slasheri: wouldn't it be best to disable interrupts while you're flashing, btw? 14.39.09 # Genre9mp3: I drew some greek glyphs for the nimbus fonts and would like some feedback 14.39.16 # hmm, that is a really good idea. i will check that soon 14.39.42 # Slasheri: tick timer and corresponding tick events are still run 14.39.44 # Genre9mp3: screenshot http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/greek.jpg 14.39.50 # i noticed since my disk switched off while i was flashing, heh 14.39.56 # markun you actually drew them by yourself? 14.39.58 # Genre9mp3: do you want the bdf or the fnt version? 14.40.01 # XavierGr: yes 14.40.15 # Didn't I tell you that? 14.40.28 # I thought you took the gluphs from other fonts 14.40.29 # preglow: yeah, i will disable interrupts at least for the bootloader flashing 14.40.37 # mrakun: splendid 14.40.44 # rockbox flashing is not that critical and we shouldn't worry even if that crashes 14.40.45 # markun: Very nice... 14.41.10 # Slasheri: true enough 14.41.40 # preglow: btw, how did you manage crash it? =) you changed the plugin? 14.41.42 # linuxstb, if you already got the latest patch can you please test what is the speed with sound off on a real device? 14.41.53 # markun: Everything seems fine! :) 14.42.19 # markun: I can test the actual font if you want, too 14.43.06 # I see some small spacing errors, after that I will give you a link to the font 14.43.31 # markun: Ok... I'll be glad to test it for you 14.44.57 # Bagder: My server currently takes 10 minutes to do a "make clean && make" - is it worth me offering that to the build farm, or is that far too slow? 14.45.16 # far too slow 14.45.19 # sorry 14.45.56 # are you sure it takes 10 minutes? 14.46.29 # 152 seconds seems to be the slowest build in the latest round on our build farm 14.46.42 # Slasheri: nah, changed the plugin api and didn't bump the version number... 14.47.17 # Slasheri: then i tried to use a flash plugin i compiled myself together with a downloaded rockbox binary i flashed 14.47.30 # i'm not used to rockbox.iriver on the disk not being the one in use, heh 14.49.23 # Bagder: It may be 5 minutes - I'm just timing it now 14.50.01 # dan_a: thing is, we hand out full builds to each build server, so we can never be faster than what the slowest server takes to build 14.50.47 # dan_a: make sure you use ccache 14.50.50 # Genre9mp3, XavierGr: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/Nimbus14-15.fnt 14.52.05 # * Genre9mp3 renames some files in order to use all greek glyphs... 14.52.41 # Genre9mp3: you can also view a textfile of course 14.54.12 # markun: yes...but I already renamed them :P 14.54.21 # For a normal iRiver H120 build, 5m11s - and that's using ccache. If I can tweak some settings to make it compile quick enough then I'll happily volunteer it as a build server 14.54.29 # Ok...give me some time to test 14.55.04 # Hm.. I have a nimbus 16 I could commit, if there's any interest... 14.55.25 # Genre9mp3: sure, I will commit to cvs soon. If you find any problems just tell me (or fix them) 14.55.32 # Lear: sure 14.55.35 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.55.57 # Lear: did you make it yourself? 14.55.59 # Same "base" glyph size, but with more line spacing (and accented chars fit without changes to the base glyph) 14.56.01 # markun: ok 14.56.24 # Lear: I would like one with bigger glyphs 14.56.58 # Yes, but it was based on an image I downloaded, containing the IPod font... Then I changed a few glyphs to make it more like nimbus. 14.57.05 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 14.57.43 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.00.32 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF11C.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.00.33 # theli_ua: About 49% on my ipod Photo. 15.00.53 # linuxstb, with what frameskip settings? 15.01.11 # With all the default settings. 15.01.41 # linuxstb, can you please try with frameskip 1? (this should be 25 fps) 15.01.58 # markun: Everything looks as it should! :) 15.02.09 # thanks 15.02.18 # markun: Congrats for your work 15.02.35 # Bagder: hey 15.02.48 # ho 15.03.43 # sup 15.04.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.04.45 Join mantono [0] (n=mantono@c83-250-204-173.bredband.comhem.se) 15.04.53 # * Bagder tames his microcontroller 15.05.17 # ... 15.05.28 # don't let it get away on you ;) 15.06.23 # my linux kernel modul have to emulate another RTOS and that's not very beautiful 15.07.43 # heh 15.08.09 # have you worked on anything new lately? 15.08.39 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-007-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.08.56 # nah I just do old boring embedded stuff 15.09.35 # but its pretty neat microcontroller I have 15.09.42 # dual-core mips 15.09.50 # built-in mpeg decoder 15.09.54 # etc 15.10.06 # sounds like a psp 15.10.06 # ;) 15.10.26 # its for dvb 15.10.44 # -t? 15.10.47 # yes 15.10.57 # yay 15.11.00 # * linuxstb gets triggered by dvb 15.11.04 # what is it? 15.11.20 # sorry, can't disclose what it is 15.11.48 # Don't Archos sell a portable player with DVB-T tuner now? 15.11.55 # they do 15.11.55 # i think so 15.12.10 # i have a couple of dvb-t things sitting aroun 15.12.11 # d 15.12.13 Quit D_C_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.12.23 # not that any software supports them 15.12.24 # S: 15.12.32 # just windows drivers 15.12.33 # hehe 15.12.43 # The linuxtv.org drivers don't support them? 15.13.13 # they're meant to 15.13.28 # - i can get stuff like analog in & svideo etc 15.13.36 # but no actually dvb-t stuff 15.16.03 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-67-175-35-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 15.17.52 # those japanese companies do fancy chips that makes decoding dvb-t quite "simple" 15.18.01 # wow 15.18.09 # ?? 15.18.19 # but I tought it was not allowed to sell dvb-t hd 15.18.23 # in the usa 15.18.30 # maybe someone here could actually help me set up my dvb card 15.18.38 # theres one in THIS computer thats not installed 15.19.21 # * preglow goes away for the weekend 15.19.24 # see you later 15.19.45 # so to setup my equalizer , I would have to do it manually 15.19.58 # would that improve the sound in my cart 15.20.00 # car 15.21.06 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 15.24.46 Quit tuwe (Remote closed the connection) 15.29.43 Join the_fuchs [0] (n=the_fuch@193.5.60.49) 15.29.54 Nick the_fuchs is now known as tuwe (n=the_fuch@193.5.60.49) 15.34.48 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 15.35.20 # linuxstb, what source of codecs have you been using for rockbox? ffmpeg? 15.36.03 # preglow: have fun 15.36.58 Quit XavierGr () 15.38.22 Quit TCK (Client Quit) 15.38.37 # tucoz: Most codecs don't have more than one fixed-point GPL-compatible implementations, so generally there isn't any choice. Rockbox only uses the FLAC and Shorten decoders from ffmpeg. 15.39.08 # thanks for the info 15.39.29 # what wma-codec implementation was it that marsdaddy was working on? 15.40.03 # * tucoz goes to flyspray for some hints 15.40.13 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 15.40.18 # tucoz: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4984 15.40.24 # thanks 15.40.31 # anyone care to help me setup dvb? 15.42.20 # how do I know I have the lastest verison of rockbox 15.42.46 # gopp: you go to the version screen and check the build date and compare that with the latest on the cvs page 15.42.57 # k Iwill 15.42.58 # but its older than a few hours, it isn't the latest ;-) 15.42.58 # later 15.42.59 # work 15.43.01 Join Jason__ [0] (n=Jason@adsl-d37.84-47-4.t-com.sk) 15.43.08 # ... if it is 15.43.10 # it been three months 15.43.15 # hahaha 15.43.23 # since I last got an update for my ipod mini 15.43.24 # Rockbox changes daily 15.43.27 # it works, but hmm 15.43.28 # oh 15.43.32 # but that cvs 15.43.37 # how about stable builids 15.43.45 # we don't do "stable builds" 15.43.51 # or at least we haven't the last year 15.43.57 # oh 15.44.05 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 15.44.09 # so if I have not upgrade in three months 15.44.10 # I shoudl 15.44.17 # if you want 15.44.22 # I just wondering about battery life on the ipod mini 15.44.45 # a new version should be more stable than a 3 months old one 15.45.23 # There should be some improvement in the battery life for iPods, since we've made MP3 decoding work a bit better 15.46.03 Quit akaias (Success) 15.46.27 # Bagder: want to help me with dvb? ;) 15.46.45 # no time and no clues 15.47.21 # : 15.47.24 # :( 15.47.32 # what is the problem actually? 15.48.37 # did u manage to utilize the second processor of ipod? 15.48.59 # tucoz: The only open source WMA decoder is in ffmpeg - and it's floating-point. That's what marsdaddy is working on. 15.49.08 # Siimors: Work on that is progressing slowly 15.49.37 # linuxstb, yes. found out. thanks anyway. hopefully he _is_ still working on it. 15.49.40 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.50.10 # not because i need wma, but it would be cool with another codec that a lot of people want. 15.50.13 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 15.51.21 # is it me or there is something about aac vs mp3 on original apple firmware 15.51.34 # yes, aac is better? 15.51.36 # aac encoded files with same bitrate give me much better battery life 15.51.44 # aac is simpler to decode 15.51.49 # belze: you talking to me? 15.51.49 # tucoz: Considering the last sign of code from him was 5 months ago, I'm not holding my breath. I just wish he would be more collaborative... 15.52.02 # well, on my iriver aac performs much worse ;) 15.52.05 # not even realtime 15.52.06 # coob: so its true? 15.52.06 # in the profile most commonly used for files that end up on ipods, at least 15.52.23 # belze: using rockbox? 15.52.25 # daurnimator: yes 15.52.31 # coob: yup 15.52.39 # belze: i just can't get it to work - i just have NO idea how 15.52.39 # :P 15.52.46 # belze: perhaps rockbox's aac implementation isn't optimal... 15.52.49 # yes. but real life sometimes sucks as well. maybe the henry guy comes up with anything 15.53.25 # afaik aac runs in realtime on the ipod's using rockbox 15.53.43 # but i prefer ogg-vorbis much more anyways :) 15.53.45 # Siimors: AAC LC profile (Low complexity) takes less cycles, at least on ARM, to decode, yes. 15.53.52 # coob: Yes, Rockbox's AAC implementation uses libfaad... 15.54.05 # coob: what is default profile for itunes encoder? 15.54.07 # is it LC? 15.54.07 # that's integer? 15.54.10 # dont like that proprietary shit ;) 15.54.10 # Siimors: yes. 15.54.15 # coob: Yes. 15.54.17 # and how does AAC LC compares to LAME ? 15.54.35 # linuxstb: ah, the helix one is designed for ARM, worked pretty well for us 15.54.47 # Siimors: I can't tell the difference 15.54.49 # If only it was GPL'd... 15.55.02 # but then i can't tell the difference between 192 MP3s and 320's :) 15.55.06 # coob: someone over at ffmpeg is working very hard on their aac decoder 15.55.16 # I hope there will be a fixed point implementation of that one day 15.55.25 # coob: I can tell the difference between mp3 320 and FLAC 15.55.32 # linuxstb: ah, I'm not such a zealot when it comes to licenses, as long as I can edit and redistribute the code and binaries, I don't care 15.55.47 # the only caveat to the RPSL is that you have to notify real of all changes afair 15.55.55 # But you have to care what the code authors have licensed you to do. 15.56.10 # and maybe sign over copyright, but i don't care too much about that 15.56.16 # what is the aproximate battery life on a new ipod 5g 60gb on rockbox playing aac? 15.56.40 # It's not a case of being a zealot, it's just respecting the author's rights, and making sure Rockbox doesn't get into trouble in the future. 15.56.43 # Siimors: really, have you done blind listening tests? I don't trust people who say that :) 15.56.59 # coob: depends on what your using 15.57.06 # good sound card + good headphones 15.57.15 # of course you can't tell the difference on ipod 15.57.18 # linuxstb: as far as I'm concerned, the RPSL is a) perpetual, b) respects authours rights. 15.57.29 # ...but not GPL-compatible 15.57.39 Join barrywardell [0] (i=892b7a6e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.57.41 # yeah, don't care about that. 15.57.42 # But combining GPL and RPSL code infringes on the rights of the authors of the GPL code. 15.57.56 # so don't combine it? 15.57.56 # coob: what is your background? 15.57.59 # we care about legal and license issues 15.58.06 # coob: Then how do you use a library? 15.58.21 # daurn|laptop: currently, a picture of scarlett johanssen on a train. 15.58.26 # coob: what is the aproximate battery life on a new ipod 5g 60gb on rockbox playing aac? 15.58.43 # Siimors: how would I know? 15.59.16 # coob: who is "us"? : [23:54:19] linuxstb: ah, the helix one is designed for ARM, worked pretty well for us 15.59.19 # you sound competent 15.59.27 # daurn|laptop: ipod linux 15.59.32 # Siimors: Have a look at the IpodRuntime page in the Rockbox wiki. If a test result for your favourite codec and ipod isn't there, run a test yourself and post the results. 15.59.33 # daurn|laptop: i'm an )inactive) ipodlinux dev 16.00.20 # linuxstb: dyloading it, I don't see how that infringes on GPL authour's rights? 16.01.01 # coob: sure it does 16.01.05 # since it isn't compatible 16.01.26 # it might be a tiny teeny thing, but still 16.01.32 # oh 16.01.39 # ok 16.01.43 # its not what the authors of GPL licensed code wanted 16.02.19 # i am unsure about the exact legal predicament 16.02.29 # and when borrowing GPL code, we should adhere to what that license say 16.03.04 # does it say 'don't link this with a non GPL lib?' 16.03.21 # no, the problem is not in that end, but rather in the GPL end 16.03.53 # which states that no license may impose further restrictions than what the GPL itself states 16.04.13 # the GPL does, in fact, basically say "don't link this with a non-GPL lib" 16.04.13 # how is a license on an external library imposing restrictions 16.04.25 # Galois: with a non-GPL- 16.04.29 # *compatible* lib 16.04.43 # coob: read the gpl faq 16.04.46 # rpsl lists itself as being gpl compatible 16.04.51 # yes 16.04.55 # Badthanks, i have better things to do with my time 16.04.57 # but they want to be 16.05.10 # sure 16.05.13 # GPL compatible is just a roundabout way of saying that you can relicense the thingy under GPL 16.05.16 # speaking of which, i must leave :) 16.05.29 # Galois: a common myth, yes 16.05.31 Quit PaulJam (".") 16.05.33 # that's not true 16.05.49 # but I'll leave as well 16.07.26 # NOOOOOOOOOOOOO 16.07.27 # :P 16.07.30 # even if that's not true in general, section 4.2 of RPSL does in fact allow you to make the thing "wholly subject to one of the Compatible Source License" 16.09.03 # +s 16.09.08 # so, this isn't the correct chan, but all you seem to know anyway: how do i get a dvb card running? - where do i get firmware for it? 16.09.10 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.09.23 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 16.10.09 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.10.12 Join ScoTTie [0] (i=skotty@220-253-36-68.VIC.netspace.net.au) 16.10.40 # daurn|laptop: You're right - this isn't the correct chan... All I know is that linuxtv.org is the source of all DVB info (or at least, it used to be...), and not all DVB cards require firmware, but those that do normally involve extracting it from the Windows driver. 16.10.59 # ok 16.11.19 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-127-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.11.21 # damn.... v4l-dvb has compile errors... 16.16.00 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 16.18.16 Quit deadhead ("Sto andando via") 16.35.18 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 16.35.18 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 16.37.30 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.37.35 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@220-253-36-68.VIC.netspace.net.au) 16.39.38 Join hshah [0] (n=hshah@shahassociates.plus.com) 16.39.45 Quit hshah (Remote closed the connection) 16.45.15 Quit barrywardell ("CGI:IRC") 16.45.30 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-127-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.45.42 Join dionoea_work [0] (n=3e179bf9@poy.chewa.net) 16.45.44 # hello 16.46.10 # looks like sandisk announced another new dap ( http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Catalog(1199)-SanDisk_Sansa_c200_Series_MP3_Players.aspx ). Is that portal player based too ? 16.49.49 # Hmm... another flash based player from Sansa... 16.50.05 # Most probably a portal player, too I guess 16.51.51 # where can i find that elephant video demo for rockbox? 16.51.53 Quit pabs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.52.03 # found it once but cant find it now 16.52.11 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 16.53.05 # i found it... 16.55.45 Quit solarflare (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.56.19 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 16.56.42 Quit Kingstone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.00.05 Quit theli_ua (Remote closed the connection) 17.04.11 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.04.35 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 17.04.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.08.02 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp175-13.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.12.43 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.13.41 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 17.17.52 # Does anyone know how the MMAP on the PortalPlayer targets works, or have we just copied some voodoo from IPL? Will it be important that the Sansa sends a different set of data to the memory controller? 17.19.27 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549339F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.19.39 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 17.29.56 # * dan_a stumbles across the code to flush/invalidate the cache on PP502X 17.30.08 Join SanAlmighty [0] (n=San@212.2.172.233) 17.33.35 Quit bbroke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.33.38 Join oxygen77 [0] (n=thomas@vau75-6-82-237-174-211.fbx.proxad.net) 17.37.52 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 17.38.02 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-138-195.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.38.19 # dan_a: Where's that cache code? In rockbox or elsewhere? 17.39.32 Quit Kohlriba (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.39.36 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-138-195.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.40.49 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034092210.nb.aliant.net) 17.41.53 # linuxstb: IPL - I've seen references to them knowing how to do it, but never seen the code. It's at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/osdev/05.09.20, starting at 11:34:32 17.47.44 Join ihope [0] (n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 17.53.39 Quit Jason__ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh") 17.58.45 Quit apo` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.59.17 Join apo` [0] (n=apo@dslb-088-065-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.03.29 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 18.08.56 Quit HCl ("Lost terminal") 18.11.49 Join StevenX [0] (n=StevenX@c-65-34-32-216.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 18.11.55 # hello all 18.12.02 # um.... how do i make rockbox play music? 18.12.39 # StevenX: just click on a song 18.12.55 # StevenX, http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 18.13.03 # markun where's the file browser? 18.13.29 # it's the view you get upon startup if you haven't changed that. 18.13.57 # StevenX: do you have a ipod? 18.15.38 # i'll read teh manual first, 18.15.49 # ipod schmipod 18.17.04 # StevenX: ok, if you have a ipod after all: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ 18.17.28 Quit pondlife (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.17.39 # markun: thank you. 18.17.48 # i was going to use tag cache, but i can't find that. 18.18.42 Join webguest93 [0] (i=c3ec4b1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 18.19.20 # StevenX, General Settings -> File View -> Show Files and Tag Cache 18.21.44 Quit StevenX () 18.22.32 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.22.55 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 18.28.27 # infamis: You still there? Amiconn said he has a cygwin build of 3.4.6 he can send your way. I didn't check if you spoke to him about it. 18.29.24 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 18.29.58 Quit lightyear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.30.34 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54877960.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.31.12 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 18.35.54 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.42.55 # linuxstb: My timer changes shouldn't cause the backlight fading problem. 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I'd like to know. 19.27.08 # ok, just a moment 19.27.32 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.28.21 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=Pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 19.29.15 # sorry, i'll need to reboot first, something disabled case-sensitivity on my filesystem 19.29.55 # guys, what do you think of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5903? 19.30.16 Join djdagobert [0] (n=maierp@panzerknacker.ducktales.net) 19.30.35 Quit ender` (" # Basic IBM dingbats, some of which will never have a purpose clear # to mankind -- /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/cp437.uni") 19.31.33 # Hi @all 19.31.48 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.32.40 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.33.24 # hi 19.33.38 # can someone help me in flashing my Archos Jukebox Recorder v1? in the Wiki "http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox" there is a link to the flashfile "http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/flash_rec.zip" but this file does not exist 19.34.08 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 19.34.14 # * jhMikeS just gonna make separate functions for the cf and non-cf versions of filter_subband for better readability 19.34.28 # no wonder everything was acting funny 19.35.34 # ender`: rtg? 19.35.37 # djdagobert: These files are no longer there because they're outdated 19.36.57 # Nowadays the preferred, supported method uses bootbox, and brief instructions and files are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox 19.37.06 # jhMikeS: compiling 19.37.37 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 19.37.38 # ! 19.38.59 # ender`: You were experiencing the problem yourself before? 19.39.04 # ah ok :) I saw a page where an old firmware from 31.8.2005 was linked 19.39.28 # amiconn: thanks for the link :) 19.39.42 # jhMikeS: no, i had problems elsewhere in interix (and just now found out that the likely cause was that something must have turned off case sensitivity on the filesystem) 19.40.35 # ender`: You're building rockbox on interix (aka sfu)? 19.40.41 # yes 19.40.51 # for a long time now (and it just finished building) 19.41.03 # I tried that once, and it even worked after some fiddling, and with some warnings 19.41.05 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-194-179.dyn.iinet.net.au) 19.41.13 # ender`: iiw everythings ok? 19.41.16 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 19.41.17 # But it wasn't any faster than cygwib 19.41.17 # i don't get any warnings here 19.41.21 # *cygwin 19.41.21 # jhMikeS: it appears so 19.41.28 # thanks 19.41.53 # amiconn: i can only say that gimp builds about in less than half the time i needed in msys 19.42.06 # (gimp for native win32 that is) 19.42.11 Join muesli|delhi [0] (n=muesli_t@203.187.240.141) 19.42.56 # My old results (don't remember what target that was though: cygwin 7 minutes, interix 6 minutes, linux 2.5 minutes 19.43.17 # i need to install colinux someday and test there :) 19.43.23 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 19.43.23 # All on the same hardware; the 2nd and 3rd systems ran under vmware 19.43.30 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 19.43.57 # Mmmm: I just read your post and I replyied. I think you'll like it. 19.44.02 # *replied 19.44.21 # i'll have a look... 19.44.53 Join twisted [0] (n=twisted@a213-84-31-106.adsl.xs4all.nl) 19.44.54 # lalala 19.49.02 # * ender` starts installing coLinux 19.53.12 # Davide-NYC: yep... looks good, so if the screen is below a certain size we use the 'up nudge' when on the volume setting. It doesn't solve the AGC display but it does the samplerate and filename... 19.53.56 # This would mean other targets would benifit from this info too... nice... 19.54.13 # :-) 19.55.13 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.187.251) 19.55.20 # right justify is good but the overlap could be painful 19.55.29 # BUT RARE 19.55.37 # (oops) 19.55.38 # worse than the db getting shunted off the screen 19.56.15 # I just dislike that the values are not aligned vertically and that they jump around 19.56.21 # me breaking my fingers is rare...doesnt mean I dont mind it when it happens! :D 19.56.30 # lol 20.00.38 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-117-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.01.26 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-56-82-255-239-105.adsl.proxad.net) 20.02.34 # * Mmmm wishes he could just put the info in the statusbar as it just looks great there... :( 20.04.04 # * Mmmm sighs deeply and dreams of samplerates and bitrates and other useful info up high in the statusbar... 20.05.14 # * Mmmm crashes back down to reality and looks at the stupid pointless volume and repeat mode indicators.... ahh well 20.05.48 # a volume inidicator is pointless? o_O 20.05.51 # -i 20.05.58 # in the recording screen 20.06.07 # * billytwowilly would rather have volume indicator than bit rate indicator... 20.06.18 # * billytwowilly put the mp3 on the mp3 player. I know it's good quality... 20.06.21 # ah, ok 20.06.38 # oh.. 20.06.40 # billywo: there are two volume indicators in the recording screen 20.06.41 # nevermind 20.06.54 # I don't record, so I've never even seen it... 20.07.49 # then it is about time you started young man :D 20.08.04 # I don't have a player that can record. 20.08.11 # Mmmm: There aren't two. One is an indicator, and one is a slider for adjustment 20.08.15 Quit bluey- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.08.15 # work on the sansa e200 port and get it working then I'll take a look;) 20.08.19 Part oxygen77 ("Leaving") 20.08.44 # but they both indicate! 20.09.16 # one is a slider/indicator! 20.09.42 Part ihope 20.10.04 # * amiconn wonders where there is enough space in the status bar to indicate a bitrate 20.10.33 # Mmmm: How 'bout not showing reduntant info on the sb? Maybe put something else useful there besised the volume? 20.10.33 # * Mmmm has already thought about that and implemented it nicely 20.11.00 # * Mmmm thinks that jhMikes is catching on fast... 20.11.04 # ;) 20.11.44 # Give the sb and bit mask and array for what in suppose to be shown there. (not a the best desc of what I mean) 20.11.56 # amiconn: thanks I got it flashed with the actual firmware :) 20.12.26 # * jhMikeS really doesn't know if it doesn't support that though 20.12.55 Part djdagobert 20.13.30 # * jhMikeS has to figure out how to put all headers and metadata in the enc_buffer so for instance mp3 can have proper leadin-leadout samples. 20.13.43 # jhMikeS: amiconn: have a look here for some screenshots http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.msg17218#msg17218 (ignore the monster peakmeters :D) 20.15.56 # Mmmm: I wonder how this info would fit on Archos screens (haven't looked at the screenshots though) 20.16.14 # It fits on all targets 20.16.30 # noone will believe me though :( 20.16.38 # Mmmm: good show. add a little space around the playback status icon. 20.17.04 # Mmmm: Them's definitely some PEAKMETERS 20.17.16 # heh heh...them sure is! 20.17.25 # just mucking about 20.17.36 # people seem to like monster peakmeters 20.17.39 # Mmmm: That won't work on archos 20.17.46 # how come? 20.18.05 # then don't do it on archos! ;) 20.18.15 # You just have one info to th eleft of the playstate icon, and one to the right, which can be replaced: volume and repeat mode 20.18.22 # * jhMikeS does not want an archos simulator on his x5 20.18.30 # thats all ive replaced! 20.18.40 # Volume is 16 pixels wide, repeat mode is 7 pixels wide 20.18.50 # and shuffle! 20.18.59 # sorry...forgot about that 20.19.20 # it works in the sim 20.19.21 # Hmm, overlooke dthat too 20.19.38 # Then there are 14px to the right as well 20.19.50 # 2 characters with the sysfont 20.20.07 # Mmmm: sim now shows FM Radio for rec source 20.20.22 # I have squeezed the odd pixel in between too so that the spacing is only 1 pixel between the new icons and the adjacent ones 20.20.46 # vote #1 for rb for PSP! heh 20.21.12 # lol 20.21.41 # What exactly are those format labels used for on archos? You know, the ones in the audio_formats array? It doesn't seem used for anything critical. 20.21.42 # I'd love to have rb on all he portable media devices I own 20.22.07 # bitrate 18 pixels +1 for spacing, samplerate 12 pixels +1 channels 5 pixels +1 20.22.58 # It just fits without interfering with any other icon...honest...it does! 20.23.13 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD3038.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.23.24 # just asking 'cause I'm lazy 20.24.14 # They can be displayed in the wps, like on swcodec 20.24.44 # amiconn: I havent used a font, I've made my own tiny icons 20.25.11 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.25.30 # I wonder if anyone could be helpful with ideas about designing the encoding to put all data on the enc_buffer instead of writing headers separately as well as provisions for any other special treatment a file format might need (like delays in mp3 files) 20.25.46 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 20.25.49 # Mmmm: I like your status bar patch except the bitrate numbers are a bit ugly. (to the right of the indicator) but the encoding type/qualioty icon on the left looks good. What was the difference? 20.26.04 # space! 20.26.07 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.26.33 # 44.1 is the only ugly one! 20.26.36 # OK, what is the pixel size and do you think it can be improved? 20.27.11 # Mmmm: Why not just use 2 ordinary numbers for bitrate? 20.27.11 # you never know... try to fit 44.1 into 12 pixels wide, 7 pixels high 20.27.21 # k 20.27.31 # 8/11/12/16/22/24/32/44/48 20.27.35 # * jhMikeS seems to be on his own with these encoder things! :O 20.27.40 # Maybe even 96 on some targets 20.27.53 # amiconn: because of the mono/stereo indicator 20.28.03 # what if we just display 44? 20.28.13 # It's implied and understood to be 44.1kHz 20.28.19 # Use an icon for m/s 20.28.19 # I wanted to keep it to 1dp.... 20.28.20 # That's exactly what I meant 20.28.21 # argh, does anyone know a firefox plugin/greasemonkey script to cahnge the referral string passted to a website? 20.28.38 # oh I see...it's tiny though 20.28.48 # Mmmm: what do you mean 1dp... 20.28.54 # 1 decimal place 20.28.55 # Mmmm: If you want to be exact, you'll get into troble with 22.05 or even 11.025 20.29.09 # yep..that would be too exact though 20.29.20 # Then drop the .1 as well... 20.29.24 # exactly, it a remote screen for crying out loud, display everything on the main display 20.29.30 # 12 pixels with real characters 20.29.58 # it's a 1 bit LCD on the iriver remote right? 20.30.04 # how wide are the sysfont chars? 20.30.10 # 6 pixels 20.30.18 # Sysfont is 8x6 fixed-width 20.30.22 # Mmmm...since noone paying any attention to me...how bout using different icons for different ports? I want to just 44.1 and 11.025 or just 44100. 20.30.30 # well...that would just fit eh? 20.30.37 # Huray! 20.30.59 # The width already includes the spacing 20.31.06 # I gotta go, but if anyone wants me to do something within my abilities (limitied) PM me. 20.31.11 # that's very good 20.31.17 # (on one side, don't remember which) 20.31.48 # so, amiconn...are you still of the opinion that the statusbar should always be the same for all screens or do I get your approval for this? 20.31.51 # The 'naked' sysfont chars are 7x5 (with a very few exceptions iirc) 20.32.01 # jhMikeS: I'm paying attention but do not understand and am unable to help. 20.32.09 # Maybe we can abuse the status bar in this way for recording... 20.32.27 # amiconn: I think it's necessary on the smaller displays 20.32.29 # wooo hoooooooooooo...................\o/ :D:D:D:)...I'm now a very happy man! 20.32.37 # I'd like to see it on an actual target with a small screen 20.32.52 # Preferably archos, or at least the iriver remote 20.32.56 # hang on... I have a patch somewhere... 20.32.57 # Mmmm: There's more space on an x5 than an archos right? Give me more detail and nicer display when there's room for it. 20.33.25 # jhMikeS: On the x5 main display: yes. On the remote: no 20.33.31 # (or not much) 20.34.36 # amiconn: On the remote...brevity is called for of course. Should every concievable thing for recording be on the remote in full detail if it is on the main LCD? 20.34.40 # ahh..even better here are some screenshots of archos and remotes but without the filetype/bitrate http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5882.msg47118#msg47118 20.35.18 # jhMikeS: if possible, yes! 20.36.28 # Mmmm: The filetype shows the selected bitrate for mp3 on swcodec? 20.36.39 # Mmmm: IMHO: I don't think the main LCD should suffer to the remote LCD. :) 20.36.40 # yes for mp3 20.36.59 # If that is so, I think archos should also have the filetype icon 20.37.27 # (showing the selected Quality - and be prepared that it will also have WAV in the not too far future) 20.37.28 # jhMikeS: I agree..but if it is possible to get it good on the main screen so that it will also fit on the remote then that's the way to go eh? 20.38.20 # amiconn: it is already implemented... just that when I did those screen shots I hadn't got around to doing the bitrate yet 20.38.22 # I.e. Q0...Q7 (and hopefully soon WAV) 20.38.42 # Mmmm: Maybe...the format, status, sr, and such are very bunched up 20.39.14 # weirdly enough, it actually looks better and quite acceptable on the actual unit! 20.39.21 # That whole quality paradigm on SWCODEC sucks...need to have Format/Settings for that format. 20.39.30 Quit ghode (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.40.43 # I guess it makes sense for mas codec but it's an appendix otherwise. 20.40.43 # amiconn: so the archos bitrates are just Q no.s then? ok...I'll do that properly..I just sort of assumed they were the same... 20.41.08 # Yes. The MAS doesn't allow to select a bitrate, it _always_ encodes VBR 20.41.14 # * Mmmm shouldn't make so many assumptions 20.41.20 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 20.41.57 # You can just select a quality (which doesn't even map to an average bitrate - average bitrate also depends on samplerate and mono/stereo setting) 20.42.21 # I think we'll have WAV recording for archos earlier than WAV playback (in the core) 20.42.24 # Mmmm: Why should quality also include format selection on SWCODEC? It doesn't make sense...a separate screen to setup the encoder for each format is better. 20.42.27 # It's easier to integrate 20.42.50 # amiconn: so you can record thing you can't playback on the device! :D 20.43.11 Quit apo` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.43.26 # You can play WAV on archos today... just not within the core yet 20.43.43 # It's a plugin which just plays a single wav 20.43.49 Join apo [0] (n=apo@dslb-088-065-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.44.03 # The hard thing is the integration. The codec itself is working fine already 20.44.48 # Mmmm: what do you think about that? It's something I want to do but is a bit complicated...ie codecs will handle their own config screens. 20.45.18 # For proper integration we should unify playback engines. That means I (or whoever will do it) needs to understand the swcodec playback engine in enough detail 20.45.32 # The engine should also become a bit more stable than it is right now 20.45.43 # The hwcodec playback engine is _very_ stable 20.45.57 # jhMikeS: So you mean you choose a codec and then you go into the bitrate screen and it depends on the chosen codec which screen you get? 20.45.59 # amiconn: omg I don't wanna think about it! 20.46.24 # Mmmm: Yes...bitrate...joint stereo...any options the compressor supports. 20.46.34 # I like it... 20.47.12 # I'll need a way to load codec for configuration...the config code has to be at the end so playback doesn't have to load it. 20.47.20 # if I bought a recorder it is how i would expect it to be so it must be good 20.47.33 # salut 20.47.57 Quit muesli|delhi ("ich will Kühe!!!") 20.48.16 # jhMikeS: sounds like you've got your work cut out then...again... 20.48.32 # jhMikeS: Do we need the config code in the codec? For playback, we also handle metadata in the core 20.48.35 # Mmmm: Codec settings I guess then would be best to save the settings to fe: mp3_enc.settings. 20.49.07 # hi mirak 20.49.16 # But the idea to have separate settings per recording format is good 20.49.25 # markun: I am still working on asm idct ^^ 20.49.29 # (and it would also apply to archos later) 20.49.31 # amiconn: that makes sense for playback to me but it keeps the code away when not in use...I don't wanna think about the jumble it would create 20.50.11 Join muesli|delhi [0] (n=muesli_t@203.187.240.141) 20.50.20 # mirak: for coldfire? 20.50.24 # amiconn: And with bitrates, they're different on different ports but also different codecs! 20.50.47 # yes 20.50.49 # * Mmmm feels a headache comming on... 20.51.05 # Mmmm...: me too 20.51.38 # Putting the config code in the codec will probably cause more trouble than having it in the core 20.51.40 # markun: yes. in fact my thing is really doing an idct but I am not sure what they are really doing in the idct.c in C. 20.52.00 # (even though having it in the core increases core size) :/ 20.52.22 # markun: there is some problems with going back to the correct scale. 20.52.28 # amiconn: I'm not so sure...just need a second entrypoint that can load by itself. 20.52.32 # I guess with table-driven menus it's not that bad 20.53.08 # jhMikeS: How do you think to handle that? Where would it be loaded? 20.53.28 # If the whole encoder is loaded, it could work 20.53.34 # markun: so I am comparing the C algorithm and the theoric one in matlab/octave. if I manage to have similar result then it should be all good. I think they maybe are using a treak between idct row and idct columns 20.53.44 # But then you can only change settings for the selected codec 20.54.15 # amiconn: If I have a .config section and everything there for config just load that section...point to it in the header 20.54.30 # What would that be good for? 20.54.44 # To not load the whole codec just to change its settings. 20.54.51 # (in comparison to just loading the whole codec)? 20.55.07 # mirak: I know nothing of dct 20.55.23 # What would that save? A few milliseconds disk read time? 20.56.00 # markun: the maths is more complicated than it is really. 20.56.01 # I don't wanna do config on the codec thread 20.56.12 Join Wikipedia-Gast27 [0] (i=JavaUser@84-72-42-215.dclient.hispeed.ch) 20.56.12 # You don't need to. 20.56.14 # why 20.56.31 # Wikipedia-Gast27: why what? 20.56.33 # What buffer should it go into? 20.56.49 # Config is UI stuff and hence should be done in the main thread 20.56.54 # Codec buffer 20.56.57 # markun is gay 20.57.28 # markun: and in fact the form of the idct in idct.c is not clear because there is many optimisations and factorisations. I tried to reverse the the equations. 20.58.02 # mirak sucks 20.58.04 # markun: lol you are gay ! he says it 20.58.08 # You think I should call config code on one thread while the codec is loaded and running on the codec thread? 20.58.08 # We can have a second entry point (by slightly changing the header) without having a separate section 20.58.18 # Wikipedia-Gast27: shut man that's not funny ... 20.58.20 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.58.20 # amiconn sucks 20.58.20 # :) 20.58.26 # mirak is gay 20.58.32 Mode "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 20.58.45 # * linuxstb counts down 20.58.47 # Why should we load that portion for playback? Can you guarantee that all config statics and code are the last thing in the file? 20.58.49 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 20.58.54 # * mirak says good bye 20.59.07 # Never tell amiconn he sucks.. 20.59.09 # lol. where did Wikipedia-Gast27 come from? 20.59.11 # jhMikeS: Why does that matter 20.59.22 # hmm. that's interesting. I thought amiconn was new 20.59.23 # billytwowilly you can do /whois 20.59.27 # amiconn is gay 20.59.32 # or that 20.59.33 # mirak sucks 20.59.47 # Wikipedia-Gast27: I like you 20.59.59 # markun is a jackass 21.00.00 # If it's not code for playback why load it and take up more space on the audio buffer? To me it doesn't make sense if I can avoid it w/o too much trouble. 21.00.04 # mirak: no, I mean where did the comments come from... 21.00.10 # jhMikeS is an asshole 21.00.23 # billytwowilly: sounds like a bot 21.00.32 # jhMikeS: The encoders are separate codecs, aren't they? 21.00.39 # I have seen smarter bots though billytwowilly 21.00.49 # mirak sucks 21.00.58 # amiconn: yes...never mind :) I'm tired! 21.01.12 Kick (#rockbox Wikipedia-Gast27 :Kick!) by amiconn!n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn 21.01.19 # * jhMikeS is laughing at his stupidness even though he thought about that before and forgot! 21.01.40 Join Wikipedia-Gast27 [0] (i=JavaUser@84-72-42-215.dclient.hispeed.ch) 21.03.04 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@84.254.39.158) 21.03.19 # I'm off for dinner...see you later.... 21.03.21 # I guess you don't need that feature for playback codecs...BUT...the codec is only loaded in the recording screen...you still have load it for config outside the screen. If you load it the normal way on the codec thread it will start running and compressing samples...so that's an actual stick point. 21.03.24 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 21.03.30 # Mmmm: Mmmm...dinner 21.03.48 # Mmmmm is gay 21.04.11 # jhMikeS: You can load it without running it... 21.04.14 # the X5 have exactly the same coldfire than H300 ? 21.04.15 # not yet 21.04.33 # you all suck 21.04.41 # you are all gay 21.04.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.05.12 # just like the playback codecs...they start going once the loader calls the entrypoint...or...use a paramter for the entrypoint. 21.05.40 # forums down or just me? 21.05.41 Mode "#rockbox +b Wik*!*.dclient*@* " by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.05.45 Join ShadowdogMU [0] (n=Brock@cpe-65-28-252-205.woh.res.rr.com) 21.05.49 Kick (#rockbox Wikipedia-Gast27 :Kick!) by amiconn!n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn 21.06.28 # why's wasn't it kickin'? 21.07.37 # Soap, the forums work fine for me. 21.07.56 Mode "#rockbox +b Wik*!*@*.dclient.hispeed.ch " by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.08.06 Mode "#rockbox -b Wik*!*.dclient*@* " by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.08.14 # thanks bluebrother. 21.08.50 # Off-topic question, but does anyone know why, when I mistakenly enter just the word "forums" into my Firefox address bar (instead of forums.rockbox.org), I'm taken to the Gentoo forums? 21.08.57 # I suppose the encoder could use a callback when loaded to give it the address to a function for that purpose... 21.09.24 # linuxstb: are you running gentoo? 21.09.30 # linuxstb: I think it uses google's first hit 21.09.50 Mode "#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 21.09.55 # markun sounds like he knows more about what he's talking about that me;) 21.09.55 # billytwowilly: No. markun: That would explain it... Not what I want, but it explains it. 21.10.06 # Now I can think of a million ways to handle it...talking is good sometimes! :D 21.10.32 # markun: So how come gentoo have got the first hit for the word "forums"? ;) 21.11.13 # linuxstb: yes, just noticed that 21.11.23 # no idea 21.11.27 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 21.11.31 # * linuxstb needs to mention that to Paul_The_Nerd... 21.12.03 # linuxstb: for me gentoo is the second hit.. 21.12.29 # gentoo people have plenty of time to talk on forums while their work machine is compiling. 21.13.23 # Soap: hehe 21.14.14 Quit Brock (Connection timed out) 21.14.46 Quit [HO]vo|t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.15.26 Quit aliasone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.15.36 Join aliasone [0] (n=aliasone@S0106006008c1982f.cg.shawcable.net) 21.19.59 Join webguest94 [0] (i=3e4183f3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.20.57 Join afruff [0] (n=afruff@pool-72-83-123-16.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 21.21.08 # how can I edit the pluginIndex page 21.21.14 # the code seems unfamiliar 21.21.42 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.22.00 # Hi. I seem to have found a bug in the latest CVS build. Model: iriver H120. Bug: in the radio screen, preset mode, if you press NAVI and want to scroll through the list of stations, the first up and down are ignored. 21.23.48 # amiconn: should the codec thread event queue have extra message data along side then cause if I pass params they can't be pointed to on the calling thread's stack. 21.24.29 # Should I file a bug report? Or will it fixed 'on the fly'? 21.24.58 # afruff: YOu don't need to edit PluginIndex 21.25.19 # If a new plugin is documented properly, PluginIndex auto-updates 21.25.23 # but I want to add a checkmark for doom working on the X5 21.25.35 # YOu might need to trigger the update with "Refresh Cache" 21.25.45 # Then edit PluginDoom 21.25.48 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 21.26.04 # OH, I understand 21.26.09 # it's fixed now 21.26.51 # afruff: sorry, what are you referring to? 21.27.01 # afruff: what is fixed? 21.27.25 # afruff: What about wormlet? 21.28.15 # I jsut did that 21.28.20 # amiconn: no thoughts? I'm not asking you to do my work...your ideas are very helpful though. 21.28.23 # tha's such a weird coincidence 21.28.31 # you said that as I fixed it 21.28.42 # jhMikeS: I'm still wondering what you mean... 21.29.10 # afruff: hehe 21.29.39 # * amiconn is quite sure that the text viewer also works on mini 21.29.46 # * amiconn does a quick test 21.29.50 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host105-0.pool80183.interbusiness.it) 21.30.13 # amiconn: passing parameters to the entrypoint saying for instance a bool config_only to avoid it running the encoding loop. 21.30.34 Quit afruff () 21.32.41 # .TRAVELERPROFILE SET ISMEMBER=1 WHERE ID=3000179073; 21.32.53 # you ever wonder if clipboards should be banned at work? 21.33.02 # amiconn: Are you not very familiar with playback.c? 21.33.14 # 3000179073? Hey! that's me! 21.33.21 # * Strogg calls lostlogic's boss 21.33.33 # :-P 21.33.37 # heheh 21.33.56 # what about playback.c? 21.33.57 # jhMikeS: No. And I still don't see the problem you're asking me about 21.33.59 # I see pondlife just ate it. 21.35.04 # webguest94: it doesn't look like anyone here is able to fix that bug right now, so file a bug report 21.38.10 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 21.38.24 # amiconn: ok...I'm not sure what else to say except why don't you see a problem? I see them cause I had to work with that code for recording to work and kinda know what snags I'll hit. 21.38.58 # You want to pass the codec entry point a parameter... so just pass it 21.39.12 # It's a function call. I can't see what problem this could cause 21.39.22 # The plugins also have parameters in their call 21.40.15 # The code will always run in the thread that calls it 21.40.16 # barrywardell: OK, done. Ctegory: FM Tuner. Right? -> Bug report #5926 21.40.37 # * amiconn just discovered a bug in the text viewer 21.40.39 # It's not a function call...you psot to the codec thread what codec to load and wait...but I had problems when creating the full path with a stack based buffer on the caller...so I kept the data static. 21.41.05 Join espen [0] (n=espen@217-154-21.0101.adsl.tele2.no) 21.41.12 # Target independent... just open /.rockbox/docs/LICENSES.txt, scroll half-way down and see what happens 21.41.54 # webguest94: yeah, looks fine. hopefully someone with a H120 can test it and fix it 21.42.16 # jhMikeS: Okay, so the codec thread loads the codec... but nothing requires loading and starting to be the same operation 21.44.10 # amiconn: exactly...how to keep the data with its instance of the message Q_ENCODER_LOAD_CODEC. The codec uses the data for the filename which is a static string. 21.45.37 # now you would need parameters along with the filename...I could create a side buffer for the queue and look it up there to pass to the entrypoint no? 21.45.40 Quit webguest94 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.45.56 # jhMikeS: I don't understand why 21.46.11 # Q_ENCODER_LOAD_CODEC would load the codec, ok 21.46.23 # But it doesn't need to run it immediately 21.46.46 # Actually I could use Q_ENCODEC_LOAD_CODEC_CONFIG...bingo! 21.47.02 # That's another option 21.47.20 # Then the codec thread will know that it shouldn't touch the code, only load it 21.48.07 # Does the codec thread have a way to signal that the codec was loaded? 21.48.14 # (I guess it has) 21.48.25 # enc_codec_loaded is set by the encoder 21.48.52 # you wait and yield...until it's true 21.49.42 # amiconn, I can't reproduce that bug with "wide view" enabled. If this information helps ... 21.51.19 # btw: right now, there's no signal if it failed to load...blech. that needs fixing 21.55.39 # But just going to recording options will stop audio playback if I do it that way...I don't like that so much. Right now only actually entering the record screen forces a stop. 22.02.59 # Yes, and having the config code in the core wouldn't stop playback when setting recording options 22.04.49 # You can't do that with the config code in the code, one way or the other 22.05.14 # At least not without completely splitting codecs in two, including a separate buffer for the config part 22.06.12 # amiconn: how bout loading it as a plugin? 22.06.23 # howdy 22.06.45 # Ah, the right person appeared 22.07.03 # dionoea: I just played some "solitaire with hidden card" 22.07.09 # Having the thing loaded just for config on the codec thread will stop playback. 22.07.21 # jhMikeS: Yes 22.07.22 # amiconn: must be challenging :) 22.07.37 # I found a probably related glitch 22.07.40 # i really have to fix that ... but i'm also doing stuff on other projects and have too little time 22.08.16 # i'll fix solitaire tonight ... or tomorrow 22.08.23 # If there's only one card on the draw stack (?), and that card is drawn, it is hidden. and the draw stack disappears 22.08.53 # linuxstb, around? 22.09.06 # But if you put the hidden card away (by guessing what it is or simply trying to put it somewhere), the draw stack reappears, even though it contains no cards 22.09.07 # There a key glitch on the x5 solitare when going through the deck too. 22.09.12 # all those stack handling routines are a bit too complex compared to the games real complexity 22.09.28 Quit espen ("Leaving") 22.10.09 # dionoea: Loading it as a plugin will kill an eventually running tsr plugin 22.10.23 # is that bad ? 22.10.32 # Humm, I mean jhMikeS 22.10.32 # * dionoea doesn't have a clue 22.10.34 # ok :) 22.11.36 # amiconn: eventually running? 22.11.44 # * amiconn knows the time problem very well 22.11.53 Quit Soap ("Someone dropped the soap!") 22.12.03 # jhMikeS: There might be a tsr plugin running, like battery_bench 22.12.17 # linuxstb, i just wanted to ask you what you think of this. I found a wip wma-codec (supposedly fixed point) in this post http://www.rokulabs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=31139&sid=c61d7bbeea0a3025425465d965e71a97#31139 22.12.27 # This would be stopped & removed if the codec configs were plugins 22.12.39 # amconn: you said eventually running, not currently runnning. What if you use the remaining buffer only? 22.12.43 # tucoz: Another one? 22.12.56 # I mean currently running 22.13.05 # Plugins can't be relocated 22.13.07 # it's the one from ffmpeg, but it's been worked on by some other guys 22.13.13 # ok 22.13.27 # what other buffers are there? 22.13.38 Quit _Veseliq_ ("www.ModReactor.com www.ModReactor.com www.ModReactor.com www.ModReactor.com www.ModReactor.com") 22.13.40 # qoute "using the mdct routines from tremor" 22.14.01 # the program itself is written in c++, but the codec and mdct is in c 22.15.01 # GPL ? 22.15.04 # sure 22.15.08 # neat 22.15.09 # amiconn: does that codecs aren't either? 22.15.13 # wma2 i guess 22.15.17 # jhMikeS: Yes 22.15.19 Join ghode|afk [0] (n=garudin@87-194-60-156.bethere.co.uk) 22.15.25 # i don't know what WMP encodes ... most likely wma3 22.15.28 # dionoea, tremor and ffmpeg is GPL so i guess this is GPL as well 22.15.32 # (I guess there is a 'mean' to insert somewhere) 22.15.52 # or maybe ffmpeg is LGPL 22.15.56 # ffmpeg is GPL / LGPL (depends what configure flags you use / parts of the code) 22.15.56 Quit mirak (Connection timed out) 22.16.00 # ok 22.16.40 # just thought some codec-knowledge-person could take a look at it and see if it could fit in rockbox. 22.16.55 # despite its wip status 22.17.08 # tucoz: the patch in the patchtracker is in a better state 22.17.17 # merbanan, ah. ok 22.17.21 # :( 22.17.28 Quit Siku (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.17.28 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.17.28 Quit markun (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.17.28 Quit Slasheri (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.17.31 # there's a patch ? i though that they never posted the code 22.18.15 # dionoea: there is some wip code afaik 22.18.18 # they did, and after that (supposedly) lots of work was spent on it. however, no new patch was posted 22.18.26 # oh ok 22.19.12 # whatever the state, it's not ready for inclusion 22.19.13 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 22.19.14 # there's be no voice in the menus either...but I suppose playback could be resumed 22.19.19 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-102-51.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.20.03 # merbanan, do you know anything about roku cascade? 22.20.11 # no 22.20.42 # should I ? 22.20.46 # that post is dated in november last year. maybe they have some svn/cvs server with updated sources 22.20.53 # no, just wanted to ask. 22.22.27 Quit aliasone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.22.40 # maybe a static menu struct in the plugin that can be accessed by code in the core...but no code run in the plug for config would be better. 22.22.48 # I mean codec 22.22.58 Join aliasone_ [0] (n=aliasone@S0106006008c1982f.cg.shawcable.net) 22.23.13 Quit markun (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 22.23.14 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.23.14 NJoin Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 22.23.14 NJoin markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) 22.23.14 NJoin Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 22.23.14 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.23.20 Join markun_ [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 22.23.50 Quit markun (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.24.38 Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 22.29.48 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 22.32.58 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 22.34.50 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-26d78d3a0599e23f) 22.35.07 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 22.36.24 Quit Coldtoast () 22.36.40 # Cool...a Rockbox recording...http://www.purelivegigs.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=4355 22.38.21 # * Bagder is but a proxy 22.39.08 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.39.17 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.39.20 # eeeuw radiohead :p 22.39.21 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.39.31 # grmpf :( 22.39.44 # My system just crashed 22.39.49 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@unaffiliated/s0ap) 22.39.56 # :\ 22.48.29 Join Anthraxos [0] (n=unknown@fw.asc.upenn.edu) 22.48.40 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 22.49.13 # Ah thank god... can someone help me try and unlock my HD? I got a lappy from work and put a HD PW on it. I went to try and remove the PW: entered working PW, hit enter 2x. Rebooted and PW prompt kept coming up, entered PW, got into bios, tried several times, same result... Last time now the PW doesn't work and just hitting enter (blank) doesn't work. 22.50.55 # I've tried using atapwd.exe, but it doesn't detect the HD, prob because I have to enter in the PW right as it boots up, course I don't know it now, and only then can I get the floppy drive to access so the drive is locked by then 22.50.56 Quit uski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.53.15 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-56-82-255-239-105.adsl.proxad.net) 22.53.16 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.53.41 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 22.54.07 # Bagder: how long before we can do the SVN dance? 22.54.13 Quit mantono (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.54.14 # no idea 22.54.51 # What's stopping us from switching? 22.55.26 # setting up commit mails, fixing auth stuff on the server, converting a bunch of scripts, preparing build server admins for the switch and get a new build script for that and... 22.55.41 # quite a lot.. 22.55.41 Quit solarflare (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.55.44 # yeah 22.56.11 # build servers just need to change cvs up -dP to svn up ... doesn't sound like much :D 22.56.18 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 22.56.20 # * dionoea goes back to lurker mode 22.56.31 # none of those things are much 22.56.40 # I mean individually 22.56.58 # and no, just changing that is not enough 22.57.56 # some procmail trigger stuff too ? 22.58.53 # each admin will need to checkout a new repo, get a new build script and config a new config. 22.59.04 # ... and that's after I've written the new script with the new config 22.59.27 # hmm, what do you think about adding priorities to thread scheduling? That would solve the problem where other threads could be too disk/cpu intensive so some codecs couldn't decode always fast enough 22.59.31 # what changes in the build script / config script apart from the svn checkout or update stuff ? 22.59.49 # i might try adding the priority based scheduling to the core 22.59.53 # Slasheri: sounds like opening a can of worms 22.59.59 # Bagder: hmm, really? 23.00.13 # that wouldn't change much anything 23.00.26 # * amiconn agrees with Bagder on that 23.00.32 # argh 23.00.33 # certainly it would change heaps 23.00.39 Join mantono [0] (n=mantono@c83-250-204-173.bredband.comhem.se) 23.00.40 # Slasheri: Is there a way to sort entries in the TagCache without showing them? 23.00.41 # all of a sudden you can starve threads 23.00.46 # it would just not call threads with lower priorities until higher priority threads are in sleep 23.00.47 # We use buildbot for VLC nightly builds ( nightlies.videolan.org ) which has the advantage of having configuration on the master server side 23.00.57 # dpassen: not yet 23.01.03 # Anthraxos: sorry, don't know anything about locked HDDs 23.01.05 # Ok 23.01.08 # the only thing that needs to be done on slaves is keep builbot's version synced to the servers 23.01.19 # dionoea: we'll have that too when we update 23.01.26 # err, i meant to post buildbot.videolan.org ... not nightlies.videolan.org 23.02.00 # damn... Htf did the original PW I had set, get changed/and or isn't blanked? I put in the correct PW, then when it asked for a new one, i hit enter 2x like it said to do. 23.02.00 # the current one is the first distributed version and was made quickly and slightly naively 23.02.29 # WTF would they make it so easy to set a PW like that, and not have a guaranteed way of recovery? That's stupid. 23.02.47 # Anthraxos: with a recovery way, what good would a password be? 23.02.56 # it is meant to be this hard 23.03.02 # Bagder: UI thread could have the highest priority, then buffering, codec threads and after that other threads. And create_thread could pass the priority as an argument 23.03.04 # Anthraxos: contact the manufacturer and whine 23.03.18 # Hard yes, but not devistatingly hard. 23.03.31 # Guess I could call up Dell...doubt they will be of much help 23.03.37 # Anthraxos: sure, otherwise could anyone just reset it 23.03.54 # Slasheri: If the ui thread would have the highest priority, you would just reintroduce the problem you're trying to solve 23.03.56 # it is meant to be impossible for mortals 23.04.05 # ...at a much higher complexity level 23.04.15 # Geesh... I'm going to be in a heap of trouble come tuesday, if I don't ahve this fixed 23.04.16 # amiconn: hmm :) 23.04.21 # the other advantage of using an existing framework is that you only have to handle config stuff and not actually coding all the build servers interaction system (although i understand that this can be fun to do) 23.04.24 # Boss is going to be pised. 23.04.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.04.51 # Afaik the only way to recover a locked hdd without knowing the password involves losing all data on it 23.04.57 # dionoea: I'm not aware of any system that allows what we do, does buildbot? 23.05.27 # amiconn= OMG 23.05.29 # what do you allow ? (or what should it allow ?) 23.05.46 # locked hdd without any password can't be recovered 23.05.48 # What a stupid system to implement... too easy to accidentally lose all your data 23.05.58 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006071912]") 23.06.07 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@c-67-175-35-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.06.17 # dionoea: well, build 52 builds on 12 server and send back 19 zip files, where each build run various commands and make 23.06.18 # I'm trying to get this to work --> http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html 23.06.19 # It's how it's meant to be. A password system must be recovery-safe, otherwise it wouldn't make sense in the first place 23.06.53 # That's why all the feature requests/ideas for "password locking" rockbox were turned down so far 23.07.23 # But now there's in fact a working idea... 23.07.24 # Bagder: it can do all that (for the upload part we still have a small script on the server which "harvests" the uploads sent to the ftp's incoming dir ... but everything else is done by buildbot) 23.07.29 # you can check http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/ 23.07.33 # ...at least for hdd based targets 23.07.35 # Well there's usually ALWAYS some kind of way to recover data w/o PW's... or some kind of bypass etc. It's not smart to make things unrecoverable in these instances. It was some kind of accidental mistake. Now I'll lose everything...great. 23.07.38 # i don't know if it's optimal 23.07.55 # and adapting an existing solution might be faster than changing to a whole new one 23.07.57 # Anthraxos - have you even tried mounting the drive in a different machine? 23.08.10 # Anthraxos: I don't know of any serious password protection that has (deliberate) backdoors 23.08.12 # I don't have one of those converter cables :-( 23.08.16 # (existing == the current rockbox builds system) 23.08.23 # dionoea: how do you hand out each build? you tell a date string for each server to cvs/svn update to? 23.08.38 # if you don't mind me asking, I could just go and rtfm too... 23.08.47 # Anthraxos - then get one - that is your best hope. 23.08.59 # thanks guys... :-) 23.09.02 # Soap: the ata password is at ata level 23.09.06 # it locks the disk period 23.09.07 # yeah 23.09.19 # it doesn't respond to ATA commands until unlocked 23.09.23 # I didn't know it was an ATA password, I missed when he said that. 23.09.34 # I thought he was implying it was BIOS locked. 23.09.40 # ah 23.09.49 # no, that's ok :) 23.09.56 # you can schedule tasks at given hours 23.10.02 # every day 23.10.06 # (on the master side) 23.10.07 # * amiconn thinks that the ata password would be a secure method to lock a rockboxed player, but only if rockbox is flashed 23.10.22 # amiconn: indeed! 23.10.40 # you can schedule tasks upon commits 23.10.46 # hehe, that would be very to circumvent at least 23.10.52 # +hard 23.10.52 # No it's ata 23.10.57 # I reset the bios already 23.11.18 # other would be bootloader level locking and password stored in eeprom. But that can be recovered quite easily 23.11.22 # Bagder: you can even click on a specific build on the http://buildbot.videolan.org and tell it to launch a new build 23.11.26 # just shorting the eeprom data lines would be enoug 23.11.27 # h 23.11.30 # that should be password protected though 23.11.53 # Bagder: you can have an IRC bot that reports build success failures 23.12.01 # you can do loads of fun things :p 23.12.16 # eeprom... won't that damange something? 23.12.18 # you can tell it to build different branches 23.12.39 # Anthraxos: no, iriver has eeprom for storing settings 23.13.13 # Well this is some crappy Dell D810 23.13.45 # dionoea: thanks, I might look more into that 23.14.01 # Damn it... I'm going to be in trouble come tuesday 23.14.03 # FFFFF! 23.14.05 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.14.19 # the only thing that you need to configure for commit builds is a postcommit hook in your cvs/svn system ... but that shouldn't be too much of an issue 23.14.28 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@208-110-158-90.customer.csolutions.net) 23.14.59 # triggering on commit seems a bit... sensitive 23.15.24 # but of course it would have to ignore new triggers until its done 23.15.38 # or something 23.15.49 # Bagder: it queues new triggers 23.16.35 # that can make our main buildserver's load go a bit high ... but it survives :D 23.16.51 Quit uski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.17.08 Quit alberink (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.17.50 Part lowlight 23.19.44 Quit Paprica (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.19.55 Quit apo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.20.58 Join apo [0] (n=apo@dslb-088-065-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.22.27 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 23.23.11 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF11C.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.27.29 # oops.... 23.27.39 # * amiconn found the problem with the timer & backlight fading 23.27.58 # The pp timer is a strange thing 23.28.21 # it does random increments ? :d 23.29.16 # While it needs the cycle count to be set to e.g. 9999 in order to produce one interrupt every 10000 cycles, like all other targets where I verified this, setting the cycle count to 0 has a different meaning than on other targets 23.29.30 Quit mubix (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.29.40 # On sh and coldfire, 0 means firing an interrupt every single cycle 23.30.07 # On pp 0 obviously means full-cycle 23.30.37 # So my commit didn't make backlight fading non-working, but rather it would kick in after a very long time 23.30.54 # and setting it to 1 would mean ever other cycle ? 23.31.01 # yes 23.31.05 # even on pp ? 23.31.10 # yes 23.31.56 # * Bagder reads the post in the e200 thread and just faints 23.32.20 # 0x20000000 cycles, i.e. 8min 56.52s 23.32.57 # that's a bit long :) 23.32.58 # Bagder: hahahahaha 23.33.26 # "Hi, I think you should rewrite Rockbox" 23.33.33 # in Java 23.33.54 # urgh 23.35.00 # "I would like to see support for mp4 playback.", I would like to have some flying monkeys 23.35.22 # "and can you please make it do proper coffee and not the kind we get at work" 23.37.14 # He's got it all worked out.. 23.37.45 # Hmm, the q-n-d fix would be to make the timer register a first cycle count of 2 instead of 1 23.37.56 # ...for backlight fading 23.38.04 # It works, I already tried. 23.38.32 # In fact that might be the only option, as a cycle count of 1 isn't possible on pp 23.39.02 # I should also add protection against a cycle count of 1 in timer_register() & friends 23.41.34 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 23.43.43 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk)