--- Log for 04.09.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.11 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006071912]") 00.00.28 # hum ... you can choose USB charge Amperage. Maybe that's why the ipod is slower when charging in rockbox compared to original firmware 00.00.36 # (maybe this is completely unrelated) 00.00.39 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 00.01.43 # It has to do something with the disabling of the cpu frequency settings... Used my own rockbox.h10 and it works again 00.03.51 # so maybe when we get cpu frequency working properly it will just work again 00.04.27 # i think so... so no bug report ^^ 00.04.32 # file a bug report anyway so that i can come back to it later 00.04.38 # ok^^ 00.04.44 # mention that it may be related to cpu freq 00.06.26 Part TrueJournals 00.06.32 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 00.06.55 # In the jpeg.c it also looks which cpu is defined so it's nearby that this is the source of the issue 00.07.08 # #ifdef HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ 00.13.49 Quit markun ("leaving") 00.13.58 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 00.14.13 # The H10 is not yet in the flyspray 00.14.43 Join pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.15.09 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@ppp-69-215-254-94.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 00.15.14 # now it is 00.16.07 # thx ^^ 00.18.21 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.23.20 # dionoea - hm, maybe Apple Disk Mode is also slower with 100ma draw than with 500ma (somehow?). wild guess, based on no evidence 00.23.20 Quit pyromancer ("Ex-Chat") 00.23.59 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.24.35 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.25.17 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp175-13.adsl.forthnet.gr) 00.27.58 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 00.28.19 Quit Pyromancer (Client Quit) 00.29.18 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.29.37 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.33.14 Quit Pyromancer (Remote closed the connection) 00.34.16 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.34.34 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@84.254.39.158) 00.36.18 Quit Pyromancer (Remote closed the connection) 00.38.45 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.38.55 Quit Pyromancer (Remote closed the connection) 00.41.08 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.53.25 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.55.25 Quit Angryman_h10 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.57.48 Quit rr3tzbach (Client Quit) 01.05.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.16.17 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.18.20 Quit ender` (" Programming is like sex becuse: 22. Other people just get in the way.") 01.19.13 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-68-122-184-13.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 01.22.45 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 01.24.45 Quit Pyromancer ("Ex-Chat") 01.26.04 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 01.31.49 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-20-82-250-27-10.adsl.proxad.net) 01.37.13 # were has PaulTheNerd been recently 01.37.19 # and why is irc so dead 01.37.58 Join aliasone [0] (n=aliasone@83.233.84.25) 01.38.43 Quit Kohlriba ("Quit") 01.39.13 # BigMac: because it's quite late on this side of the world 01.40.10 # what time is it 01.40.20 # and i believe paul is from the us 01.40.34 # and i have been here all day and it has been rather dead 01.40.36 # 1:40 here (netherlands) 01.40.50 # still not too late 01.41.05 # late enough for me. Good night. 01.41.12 Quit aliasone_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.41.25 Join aliasone_ [0] (n=aliasone@S0106006008c1982f.cg.shawcable.net) 01.42.30 # nite 01.42.40 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 01.44.46 Join webguest38 [0] (i=5438880b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.45.04 # BigMac - did you get your Ratings stuff working in the end? 01.45.57 # from what was said in the referenced thread the %rp and %rr WPS tags are not currently "attached" to anything. 01.46.13 # oh 01.47.09 Quit webguest38 (Client Quit) 01.48.01 # It wouldn't be hard to test the %rp one, maybe I'll get off my butt and do so. 01.49.38 Quit Pyromancer ("Ex-Chat") 01.50.25 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 01.55.27 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.56.03 Part stripwax 01.58.53 Quit Pyromancer ("Ex-Chat") 01.59.26 Quit aliasone (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.00.50 # mp3z dont compress to zip very welll do they? 02.01.15 Part TrueJournals 02.01.57 # wouldn't say much about the format if they did. 02.02.05 # indeed 02.02.15 # mp3 is something like a zip 02.02.19 # ? 02.02.22 # not really 02.02.31 # like its compressed allready 02.02.47 # yes, it uses a huffman-compression 02.03.09 # so its something like a zip :P 02.03.09 # so the data is already "zip-compressed" 02.03.32 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 02.03.37 Join Angry [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-136-011.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.03.46 # it uses the same compressio 02.03.47 # n 02.04.34 Quit Angry (Client Quit) 02.05.50 Join Angry [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-136-011.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.06.23 Join Febs [0] (n=shortcho@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.07.16 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 02.10.44 Join webguest81 [0] (i=5438880b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.11.14 Quit Angry ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.15.21 Quit Jason (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh") 02.15.21 Quit webguest81 (Client Quit) 02.15.21 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-86-157.dslaccess.co.uk) 02.16.41 Part nave7693 02.29.39 Part pixelma 02.42.59 Quit barrywardell () 02.48.50 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 03.05.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.24.11 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 03.25.11 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-69-212-173-25.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 03.26.36 Join scott666_ [0] (n=scott666@c-24-245-74-66.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 03.41.12 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.43.44 Quit _jhMikeS_ ("User pushed the X - Because it's X-tra") 03.49.28 # wtf 03.49.41 # stripwax doesn't have a quit line 03.49.45 # but is not here 03.50.03 # and no i never got rating working 03.50.04 Part scott666_ 04.00.19 # [2006-09-03 19:54:11] * Parts: stripwax 04.06.28 Join BigMac2 [0] (n=dummeska@64-252-96-54.adsl.snet.net) 04.06.42 # can someone kick my ghost? 04.09.25 # you can 04.10.26 # i forgot the ghost command 04.10.49 # "/msg nickserv ghost #rockbox bigmac? 04.18.02 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.21.39 Nick BigMac2 is now known as BigmAC (n=dummeska@64-252-96-54.adsl.snet.net) 04.21.51 Nick BigmAC is now known as BigMac (n=dummeska@64-252-96-54.adsl.snet.net) 04.26.23 # nope.. 04.26.42 # well kinda. 04.26.52 # BigMac: if you forget again I think you can type /msg nickserv help 04.27.17 # I think the command is /msg nickserv ghost ghostnic password 04.27.23 # or something like that.. 04.28.20 # thanks man 04.28.50 # I wish i was decent at this wps stuff 04.29.04 # so i wouldn't have to wait for people on the forum 04.31.43 # you'll figure it out. 04.32.13 # it's cool that you're trying. I can't do anything with the wps stuff, so you're ahead of me;) 04.32.52 # thanks 04.32.59 # but its not that hard 04.33.18 # its just stupid things that keep snagging me 04.34.43 # when they get it working on the sansa e200 or the meizu miniplayer I'll try my hand at it;) 04.35.10 # i was originally going to get a sans 04.35.11 # a 04.35.20 # but no rockbox support turned me away 04.35.54 # yah. I think dan_a and possibly bagder are working on it. 04.36.02 # hopefully soon. 04.36.11 # I haven't bought one yet. I have an ipod mini right now. 04.36.28 # I tried rockbox on it and liked it. 04.36.48 # I used to use rockbox on my archos jukebox 6000 back in the day;) 04.37.50 # cool 04.38.19 # I would probably stick with the original firmware on either of the previously mentioned players if they had bookmarking. 04.38.23 # anyone know a way to record an mp3/wav from whats playing on your comp 04.38.26 # like a vid 04.38.32 # just record the audio 04.39.51 # what do you mean? 04.40.00 # like you have an avi file and you want just the audio? 04.40.16 # yah 04.40.20 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzz") 04.40.32 # like i have a video playing and i just want the audio of it 04.40.36 # are you in windows or linux? 04.41.05 # windows 04.41.17 # hmm. 04.41.25 # I'd check out doom9.org for some apps to use to do that. 04.41.38 # why are you on linux? 04.41.52 # because linux is awesome. 04.41.57 # no viruses. 04.42.00 # no not why 04.42.05 # why, 04.42.11 # oh. 04.42.11 # i was asking if you are 04.42.16 # you forgot a comma. 04.42.20 # yah 04.42.20 # ;) 04.42.26 # yah, I figured it out. 04.42.36 # is it easy? on linux 04.42.37 # you meant to say why, are you in linux? 04.42.53 # yes 04.43.03 # I dunno. 04.43.08 # I haven't had to do that in a long time. 04.43.13 # the last time I did it was in windows. 04.43.13 # It might be. 04.43.22 # ah nvm 04.43.50 # and I think I followed a howto on doom9.org 04.44.29 # not a site anymore 04.45.43 # www.doom9.org 04.45.49 # it's a site. 04.45.55 # it's loading for me right now... 04.46.03 # www.doom9.net 04.46.13 # :-) 04.47.21 # I'm lagging out like crazy. 04.48.09 # can't find it:-( 04.55.35 # this was like 5 years ago 04.55.35 Quit solarflare (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.55.47 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 04.56.02 Quit uski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.56.28 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-20-82-250-27-10.adsl.proxad.net) 04.58.25 # ah i see 04.58.41 # well i guess ill learn html again 05.05.01 Join EV|Toshiba [0] (n=Testing@pool-72-64-146-8.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 05.05.32 # Ok, im using Xubuntu, and I have the ipod plugged in 05.05.42 # I downloaded the source code (ipod_fw.c) 05.06.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.06.06 # Now it says to type gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c 05.06.16 # Do I type that in terminal or what? 05.08.22 # in the terminal 05.08.48 # ah 05.09.35 # ok...that isnt working 05.09.39 # is it o or zero? 05.11.13 # letter o 05.11.16 # Galois, if I do a install under windows, will I be able to load files on linux? 05.12.37 # yes 05.13.05 # rockbox, unlike apple, is not evil. You can upload files using standard file copy. 05.13.47 # it would help if you describe why it's not working instead of just stating that it isn't working 05.20.34 # ok 05.21.01 # I have a 30gb ipod photo...im using ubuntu linux to install it (I think i'll use my sindows machine to install rockbox then upload my media files from my linux machine) 05.25.35 # it's ridiculously easy to do in linux.. just copy/paste all the commands... you might have to change the /dev/sdXXXXXXX only. 05.26.00 # atleast, the tutorial was really good. 05.26.16 # uhh... 05.26.26 # the only thing semi confusing was when it linked to the windows howto to get the bootloader 05.26.33 # I need a good idea for a website, I am desperate and asking everywhere :P 05.26.45 # ShadowdogMU, like what? 05.26.56 # Anything at this point, except porn 05.27.00 # lmao 05.27.03 # YOu just want a website? 05.27.08 # just to do it? 05.27.15 # I have one currently 05.27.22 # ah 05.27.23 # but when I switched WebHosts I got a free domain 05.27.28 # 1) take a picture of a midget doing complex math on a big blackboard. 2) Register www.midgetmath.com 3) profit 05.27.28 # and need to use it up 05.27.37 # billytwowilly, xubuntu isnt letting me copy ANY commands.. 05.27.52 # well it lets me copy them, but terminal wont let me paste them 05.28.10 # EV|Server: what the gui for x in xubuntu? And why are you using that? Is your computer old or something? 05.28.27 # Not really. 05.28.31 # Its the only disk I had around. 05.28.43 # oh... 05.28.45 # And I kinda like playing with ubuntu. I'll be chaning it to something else soon. Probley zenwalk. 05.28.54 # you should probably install gnome or kde (my choice) 05.29.09 # kde prolly 05.29.17 # because you don't sound like a really advanced user, which is who xubuntu is targeted at I think.. 05.29.31 # you don't necessarily have to reinstall anything though eh? 05.29.44 # you can just go sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in the command line 05.29.54 # then it'll install all the kubuntu stuff. 05.30.19 # Im not really advanced user yet. I've used DSL for about 2 years..thats about it. lol 05.31.05 # yah... I am almost certain you don't want xubuntu... that's aimed at advanced users who don't want any bloat 05.31.19 # you want something really user friendly like kubuntu or ubuntu.. 05.31.27 # both are nice. I like kde more myself, so I use kubuntu 05.32.05 # yah, go sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-default-settings 05.32.33 # then you should have a new kde install... you'll just have to change it so that kdm boots as default (i think that should happen when you install it) then tell kdm to load kde 05.32.41 # very user friendly. 05.32.53 # ok 05.33.16 # no reinstall required;) 05.33.30 # :) 05.34.26 # I take no responsibility if it doesn't work though.. 05.34.36 # back up your crap first, yada yada yada 05.35.53 # there aint much crap on ere. lol 05.35.57 # its pretty much a fresh install 05.36.03 # with xchat, and a few docs on it only 05.36.09 # then no problem;) 05.36.26 # if you are using kde you might want to check out konversation. 05.36.35 # once it's up and running. kde xchat look alike 05.40.16 # ...errrr 05.40.32 # Using windows I cant get the ipodpather 0 command to work either...WTF! 05.40.40 # I downloaded the three files. 05.40.50 # ipodpather, ipod_fw, and that zipped file 05.42.26 # it says `ipodpatcher 0` is not a reconized command.. 05.42.46 # it worked flawlessly in linux. are you in linux now? 05.42.47 # Think someone fucked up on their typing when they did the manuel.. 05.42.50 # I'll help you if I can. 05.42.53 # yea, I'll do it on this machine then. 05.43.09 # I wrote the linux manual. Many many people have used it without any problems. 05.43.11 # one sec. lemme get to the linux howto I used. 05.43.18 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 05.43.20 # then we'lll go through it together. 05.43.45 # Galois, I used the windows manuel. lol 05.43.48 # manual* 05.44.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux 05.44.13 # that's what I used exactly. 05.44.22 # lets go through it. 05.44.23 # k 05.45.03 # Alright, got the ipod plugged into the linux machine 05.45.09 Nick EV|Toshiba is now known as EV|Sindows (n=Testing@pool-72-64-146-8.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 05.45.16 Nick EV|Server is now known as EV|xubuntu (n=na@pool-72-64-146-8.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 05.45.26 # k, compile ipod fw.c first... 05.45.35 # just go through that howto till you get stuck. 05.45.51 # I wanna save the source code right? not open it with mousepad? 05.46.10 # yah, save it. 05.46.59 # bash: gcc : command not found 05.47.19 # I must have missed somethin.. 05.47.26 # ubuntu doesn't install gcc by default 05.47.32 # >_< shieat 05.47.35 # you don't have the devel stuff install 05.47.38 # installed 05.47.48 # installing that now 05.47.49 # one sec. I'm trying to dig up the meta package that will install it all for you. 05.47.57 # oh ok 05.48.04 # using kdm defalt display manager right? 05.48.20 # (for that file you had me download for linux, billytwowilly ) 05.49.01 # yep. 05.49.04 # k 05.49.08 # you're installing all those packages while we do this? 05.49.12 # yup 05.49.51 # hmm. 05.50.00 # should be about done 05.50.15 # its running downthe lists very fast... 05.50.25 # sudo apt-get install build-essential 05.50.35 # k, well we're kinda stalled till that's done... 05.50.44 # did it download all the packages already and is installing? 05.50.48 # or still donwloadingt? 05.51.06 # its unpacking 05.51.15 # oh.... 05.51.20 # crap. 05.51.22 # This is a weird error.... 05.51.24 # well, hopefully it'll be fast. 05.51.37 # E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) 05.51.37 # E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? 05.51.37 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install build-essential 05.51.37 DBUG Enqueued KICK EV|xubuntu 05.51.37 # E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) 05.51.37 # E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? 05.51.54 # yah 05.52.02 # you can't do that while apt is installing the other stuff. 05.52.05 # ah 05.52.06 # run that command when you're done. 05.52.15 # ok 05.52.27 # when apt is running it locks the package database so you can't install multiple things at once and break your system. 05.52.33 # Well, Im gonna go throw a bag of popcorn in the microwave then while that works. lol brb 05.52.56 # k, I'll be here listening to the fatboy slim discography I downloaded.. I have about 15 hours left;) 05.53.44 Join TheBeast [0] (n=whoami@unaffiliated/thebeast) 05.54.03 # say my name in here and konversation will blink and let me know you need my help. 05.55.08 Part TheBeast ("Leaving") 06.00.11 # :P 06.02.46 Quit uski (Connection timed out) 06.06.28 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as82523.alshamil.net.ae) 06.13.16 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-20-82-250-27-10.adsl.proxad.net) 06.14.56 Join Jazz00006 [0] (n=Jazz0000@219-90-179-47.ip.adam.com.au) 06.15.11 Quit Jazz00006 (Client Quit) 06.16.54 # billytwowilly, finishing up the install for build essnetial 06.17.33 # done 06.17.46 # niftry 06.17.49 # nifty 06.18.00 # now follow the howto and let me know if you run intoa problem 06.18.56 # Man my hands hurt today.. 06.19.09 # Then again.. I was pratcing stuff for the marching band for abuot 4 hours. lol 06.19.53 # the moral of the story is don't practice stuff for marching band for 4 hours;) 06.20.05 # lol 06.20.12 # Drumline..so I kind halfto. :p 06.20.15 # or install hands 2.0 06.20.19 # lol 06.20.20 # the new and improved version;) 06.20.22 # :) 06.20.34 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c 06.20.34 # gcc: ipod_fw.c: No such file or directory 06.20.34 # gcc: no input files 06.20.36 # woot! 06.20.44 # I lasted: 1.3 seconds! lol 06.20.47 # college or high school level? 06.20.52 # yah... 06.20.57 # High school... 3rd bass drum. 06.20.57 # run the command in the same dir you saved the file to.. 06.21.04 # which would be home.. 06.21.07 # err desktop 06.21.16 # that file is the source code that that you are compiling... 06.21.20 # yah.. go gthere. 06.22.05 # so it'll be gcc -o ipod_fw justin/desktop/ipod_fw.c 06.22.20 # just go to the dir. 06.22.26 # it's easier 06.22.31 # .... 06.22.37 # cd /home/justin/desktop/ 06.23.05 # k.. 06.23.08 # wherever you put the file you download cd into that dir. 06.23.14 # then follow the howto from there. 06.23.15 # hmm.. 06.24.10 # still getting errors of no such file or directory. 06.24.19 # Its on my desktop... im looking at the frickin icon. :P 06.24.22 # dude.. if you can't find the file just download it again. put it in /home/yourusername 06.24.52 # open up a terminal 06.24.58 # type cd desktop 06.25.38 # ok, its in my user name 06.26.03 # then type gcc -o ipod_fw then type ip then tab. it should fill in ipod_fw.c if it doesn't it isn't there. 06.26.27 # bingo 06.26.36 # ok, now it made an ew command line....errrr 06.27.08 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 06.27.08 # * billytwowilly doesn't understand what you just said 06.27.20 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c 06.27.21 # gcc: ipod_fw.c: No such file or directory 06.27.21 # gcc: no input files 06.27.26 # err hold on 06.27.32 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c 06.27.32 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ 06.27.45 # that means it worked 06.27.49 # oh 06.27.49 # lol 06.27.52 # :D 06.28.03 # so now you have an ipod_fw there 06.28.09 # so keep following the faq... 06.28.30 # lol 06.29.05 # * billytwowilly is lagging at 3 seconds.. hurray! 06.29.18 Quit webguest67 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 06.29.33 # Now i gotta figure out what the hell the device is assinet to...yey. 06.29.47 # dude.. it's hella easy... 06.29.53 # are you in kde? 06.29.56 # yup 06.30.01 # does the ipod show up on the desktop? 06.30.06 # ( i think ) 06.30.07 # yup 06.30.08 # if so, right click and hit mount 06.30.15 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-255-62-50.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 06.30.19 # Its already mounted 06.30.20 # ... 06.30.26 # then right click and you should see where it's mounted. 06.30.28 # I think 06.30.32 # * billytwowilly goes to get his ipod to test it out. 06.31.06 # lol 06.31.19 # right click properties 06.31.29 # k 06.31.39 Quit uski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.31.43 # uhm.... 06.31.49 # meta info 06.31.53 # dont have that.. 06.31.57 # device node: mine says /dev/sdf2 06.32.02 # lame.. 06.32.14 # wtf 06.32.29 # k, open up another command line and go ls /dev/sd then hit tab until it shows you all the entries for /dev/sd 06.32.31 # Setting up kaffeine (0.7.1-1.3ubuntu10) ... 06.32.32 # Setting up kubuntu-desktop (0.86) ... 06.32.32 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ 06.32.35 # That did something earlier.. 06.32.45 # don't worry about it. 06.33.06 # you're running breezy aren't you? 06.33.14 # *shrug* 06.33.18 # I dont know wtf im running 06.33.25 # sda, sda 1, sda 2 06.33.35 # dude, just type mount in the terminal 06.33.36 # remind me later and we'll find out what you're running 06.33.43 # it'll say something like /dev/sdb2 3904176 2216364 1687812 57% /media/IPOD 06.33.55 # I got a 40gb main drive, 80gb slave and the ipod 06.33.55 # yah, you're text book 06.34.01 # follow the howto exactly 06.34.02 # Now to figure out what one the fucker is... 06.34.07 # but those are IDE 06.34.11 # 0-0 06.34.23 # Well..the ipod thought it was an IDE one last night... 06.34.30 # those will show up in /dev/hd probably 06.34.37 # dude. right now it's textbook. 06.34.41 # just follow the faq exactly. 06.34.42 # if it shows up in the desktop, it will show up when you type mount 06.35.17 # type fdisk -l /dev/sda and I can almost gaurentee you'll see what is in the howto I pointed you to (and I think galois wrote) 06.35.28 # then just follow the howto and you're set 06.36.25 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ fdisk -1 /dev/sda 06.36.25 # fdisk: invalid option -- 1 06.36.25 # Usage: fdisk [-b SSZ] [-u] DISK Change partition table 06.36.25 # fdisk -l [-b SSZ] [-u] DISK List partition table(s) 06.36.25 # fdisk -s PARTITION Give partition size(s) in bloc ks 06.36.26 *** Alert Mode level 1 06.36.26 # fdisk -v Give fdisk version 06.36.28 # Here DISK is something like /dev/hdb or /dev/sda 06.36.30 # and PARTITION is something like /dev/hda7 06.36.32 # -u: give Start and End in sector (instead of cylinder) units 06.36.34 # -b 2048: (for certain MO di 06.36.38 # Uhh huh..sure. 06.36.42 # you screwed up 06.36.47 # Yes i am.. 06.36.52 # fdisk -l as in the letter l, not the number 1 06.36.58 # that is a -l not -1 06.37.14 # :D 06.37.21 # just highlight the commands in the howto, go to the terminal and hit the middle mouse button. should paste in 06.37.30 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ fdisk -l /dev/sda 06.37.30 # Disk /dev/sda: 30.0 GB, 30005820928 bytes 06.37.30 # 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 3647 cylinders 06.37.30 *** Alert Mode level 2 06.37.30 # Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes 06.37.30 *** Alert Mode level 3 06.37.30 # Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System 06.37.31 *** Alert Mode level 4 06.37.31 # /dev/sda1 1 5 40131 0 Empty 06.37.33 # /dev/sda2 6 3648 29262397+ b W95 FAT32 06.37.37 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ 06.37.39 # And we have a winner. 06.38.15 # yah. you are text book. just keep following the howto and only message stuff in here if you need help.. prefereably not big stuff.. use pastebin if you get anything much bigger than above... 06.39.00 # lol 06.39.01 # ok 06.39.22 # it should work no problem. you're textbook... 06.39.41 # heh. I think that should be my new catch phrase;) "you're textbook!" 06.39.55 # * ./ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin 06.39.57 # wtf? 06.40.53 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-20-82-250-27-10.adsl.proxad.net) 06.41.23 # it says that command bootpartition.bin is not valid or some shit like that 06.41.33 # yah... you screwed up something using dd if that didn't work.. 06.41.49 # copying and pasting. :) 06.41.56 # highlight the dd commands in the faq and hit th emiddle mouse button in the terminal window... 06.41.59 # hmm. 06.42.03 # post the exact error. 06.42.14 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ /ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin 06.42.14 # bash: /ipod_fw: No such file or directory 06.42.14 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ 06.42.29 # yah.. you messed something up. 06.42.33 # lol 06.42.34 # use ./ipod_fw 06.42.36 # imagine that 06.42.53 # or you didn't compile something right. 06.43.22 # do you see a file called ipod_fw in that dir? 06.43.48 # the howto clearly says ./ipod_fw instead of /ipod_fw 06.43.59 # no... 06.44.12 # I did dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin 06.44.14 # then 06.44.18 # that dot in the beginning is not optional. You should not expect things to work when you leave out characters. 06.44.19 # dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin 06.44.27 # err 06.44.32 # you didn't screw that up. 06.44.33 # ./ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin 06.44.46 # you either didn't compile ipod_fw or you didn't use the ./ 06.44.53 # thats period forward slash... 06.45.29 # wait 06.45.30 # I got it 06.45.31 # nvm 06.45.32 DBUG Enqueued KICK EV|Sindows 06.45.32 # lol 06.45.36 # the dot is optional for people who know how unix works. 06.45.48 # it finally decided to work. :) 06.45.56 # teach us oh awesome arp! 06.46.04 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 06.46.04 # * billytwowilly bows down before arp and begs for knowledge 06.46.04 # ... 06.46.11 # yes. by explaining how dots work, this makes me awesome 06.46.19 # in fact, I've put that on my resume 06.46.26 # "I know how dots work. this makes me awesome" 06.46.34 # * billytwowilly cries tears of joy because arp is here. 06.47.09 # seriously though. how do I make the . optional? If you say put it in /usr/bin or some such thing I'm going to smack you with a large trout.... 06.47.23 # put ipod_fw in / 06.47.27 # ... or you could type the full path or relative path to the binary 06.47.32 *** Alert Mode OFF 06.47.41 # ./ being relative to your current directory 06.47.55 # or... you could put "." in your path 06.48.00 # lame. I knew that already. 06.48.08 # * billytwowilly gets off his knees and smacks arp with a large trout 06.48.10 # not lame, awesome! 06.48.38 # you said it yourself! 06.49.27 # but I already knew that. I thought you were going to say something new and cool 06.50.35 # I wonder what's going on with my isp.. uploading one torrent and having 6 seconds lag.. 06.50.36 # nope, I was only remarking about whether "a dot" was "optional" or "mandaatory". 06.51.43 # nothing new in open() or execvp() in a long time. 06.51.56 # EV|xubuntu: how's it going? 06.52.17 Join fatherfork [0] (n=fatherfo@adsl-224-20-23.asm.bellsouth.net) 06.52.21 # uhhh...I fucked something up again 06.52.28 # im on setup 3 06.52.55 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 06.53.00 # you have a video right? you copied the second thing right? apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin? 06.53.11 # no I dont have a video..just a color 06.53.29 # k, you're set then. 06.53.33 # cool 06.53.54 # im just now chaning the nano to color in this: 06.54.02 # ./ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin 06.54.15 # change those 2 nanos to color and thats it right? 06.54.34 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ ./ipod_fw -g color -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-color.bin 06.54.34 # Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo/color... 06.54.34 # Cannot open loader image file bootloader-color.bin 06.54.34 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ 06.54.42 # Damn it. This is starting to piss me off.. 06.55.00 # dude. you didn't download a precompile bootloader 06.55.07 # ARRRGGG!!! 06.55.12 # Wait, I dont need to do the boatloader? 06.55.16 # bootloader* 06.55.20 # bootloader-color.bin is something you need to download. The page tells you where to download it. 06.55.33 # i did download that 06.55.36 # yah.. you do.. that's what you've een working towards.... getting a bootloader that can load rockbox... 06.56.00 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 06.56.08 # ls -l bootloader-color.bin 06.56.14 # do you see that in your dir? 06.56.19 # you might need to add a dot! 06.56.49 # man, macy grey + fatboy slim = awesome 06.57.27 # I remeber why its doing that. I had to move the file into my home dir. 06.57.40 # good to know! 06.58.05 # there we go 06.58.39 # you're new to linux right? 06.58.45 # pretty much, yea. 06.59.04 # this is usually easier. 06.59.14 # you'll look back in three months and laugh at how much trouble you had;) 06.59.20 # lol, yup 06.59.26 # anyhoo, enjoy your rockbox 06.59.28 # alright, setup 4 07.00.11 # so now you have a bootloader that can load the rockbox firmware or the apple firmware. so now you put a rockbox build on there and you're golden. 07.01.22 # I was very impressed with how fucking easy it was to install rockbox. 07.01.32 # stfu 07.01.34 # ? 07.01.34 # me too. 07.01.37 # :P Just kidding 07.01.40 # mkay 07.01.45 # the only thing that confused me is the downloading the boot loader. 07.01.50 # because it linked to the windows howto. 07.01.54 # and I was like "WTF?" 07.01.56 # Well..now setup 4 is all I duno know.. 07.02.00 # then I figured it out... 07.02.02 # anyway, I'm just annoyed that it doesnt have great support for the 3G ipod 07.02.25 # click "daily builds" then download the one pertaining to you. 07.02.42 # then punzip it to the root dir of your ipod.. 07.02.55 # so I dont actually run rockbox yet. 07.03.20 # It says i dont have to unplug it.. 07.03.22 # you haven't installed rockbox yet... 07.03.27 # you did the hard part. 07.03.29 # but then the first thing in setup 4 is to plug it back in 07.03.49 # I believe you have to extract rockbox onto the device now 07.03.49 # when your ipod boots up there is a program that loads the bigger program that gives you the mp3 features. 07.04.08 # all you did was put the boot loader program which can load rockbox 07.04.13 # you changed the bootloader from the ipod one which only loads the apple firmware to the one that can load rockbox or ipod 07.04.55 # so download the daily build that pertains to your player then type unzip whateveritscalled.zip /media/sda2 07.04.59 # ok.. 07.04.59 # that should probably work 07.05.14 # or just use ark (the unzip/unrar etc gui) 07.05.17 # didnt work 07.05.24 Quit fatherfork () 07.05.27 # using xarchiver 07.05.28 # and point it to your ipod directory 07.05.35 # ok.. 07.05.38 # extract... 07.05.39 # k, fine. 07.05.53 # try unzip whatever.zip -d /media/sda2 07.05.56 # /media/sda2 07.06.03 # the important bit is to extract it to the root dir of your ipod, which should be /media/sda2 07.06.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.06.08 # yep. almost certainly. 07.06.18 # you can ls /media/sda2 and see what it is 07.06.34 # I got the zipped file save to the desktop 07.06.37 # if you see Notes, iPod_Control, Contacts and Calendar that's where it goes 07.06.58 # that's fine. 07.07.10 # extract the zip file to the root dir of the ipod.... 07.07.19 # i cant get it to find the fucker 07.07.39 # define "fucker" 07.07.50 # ipod = fucker 07.07.51 # :P 07.07.56 # you said it showed up on the desktop 07.08.01 # it does 07.08.15 # but I have a zipped file open in xarchiver 07.08.19 # make sure it is mounted... 07.08.28 # if worst comes to worst open the ipod in the desktop 07.08.35 # drag the files from xarchiver into the ipod 07.08.49 # heh. 07.08.55 # I forgot about that... 07.09.21 # * billytwowilly doesn't use guis for that stuff. Too slow 07.10.18 # lol 07.10.24 Quit uski (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.11.13 # so now reboot the ipod and let us know if it worked. 07.11.57 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.15.12 # Ok, lets reboot ipod.. 07.16.39 # ah no bastard!!! 07.17.17 # apparently grammar school sucks in america.... 07.17.22 # what happened? 07.17.27 # NOOO!!!! 07.17.34 # Ipod software is still there!! 07.17.45 # that's fine... 07.17.50 # you want it still there. 07.17.53 # try rebooting it again. 07.17.56 # hold the middle and top buttons down. 07.18.13 # if you see some text instead of an apple you have the bootloader installed 07.18.17 # i rebooted it 07.18.24 # turning it off and on is not the same thing as rebooting it 07.18.36 # pressing menu and select 07.18.39 # if, after the second reboot, it doesn't show up rockbox then you farked up installing the rockbox firmware. 07.18.41 # then when it reboots let go? 07.19.00 # yah, do that alteast twice 07.19.09 # nope 07.19.15 # apple logo comes up no matter what I do 07.19.18 # fucking apple 07.19.38 # you don't see any text scrolling? 07.19.41 # the apple logo always comes up. The rockbox text displays right after the logo. 07.19.41 # nope 07.19.45 # that damn apple logo comes up 07.19.47 # you screwed up installing the firmware. 07.19.57 # then it roolls into its hsitty ass software 07.20.07 # so you didn't install the bootloader. 07.20.10 # Shitty* 07.20.15 # * billytwowilly likes the apple firmware 07.20.44 # go through the steps of the howto again. you missed something. 07.20.45 # * EV|xubuntu wants to shove it up apples ass.. 07.21.04 # alright, lets do it again. Hoorrayy. 07.21.14 # * billytwowilly thinks EV|xubuntu shouldn't have bought it if he didn't like the firmware 07.21.26 # Well i did for awhile 07.21.35 # until it started deleteing songs, locking up, and not working 07.21.42 # not all again. recopy the boot partition back to the ipod for starters. the new boot partition I mean. 07.22.39 # I bought the ipod for the express purpose of running rockbox, but then again I also know what I'm doing in linux, so ... 07.22.57 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ ./ipod_fw -g color -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-color.bin 07.22.57 # Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo/color... 07.22.57 # justin@justin-xubuntu:~$ 07.23.00 # ok, so that works 07.23.20 # step 3 specifically 07.23.31 # dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sda1 07.23.36 # that part particularly 07.23.46 # ok, i did that and now term isnt doing anything 07.23.52 # wait 07.23.55 # it takes a while 07.23.55 # now it did 07.24.00 # just let it sit. 07.24.04 # it takes a bit. 07.24.06 # ok 07.24.12 # now what? 07.24.16 # is it done? 07.24.19 # yeah 07.24.22 # disconnect the usb cable and reboot the thing 07.24.23 # if it's done, right click the ipod in kde and select safely remove 07.24.33 # then reboot it 07.25.15 # BINNGOOO!!! 07.25.27 # yar. 07.25.29 # GOt a toshiba hard drive in it. 07.25.32 # you just missed that last command 07.25.35 # uhm... 07.25.42 # Wtf.... 07.25.45 # they al do... 07.25.57 # it'll boot into the ipod firmware the first time I think. 07.26.00 # This...cant be good 07.26.03 # oh ok 07.26.09 # rebooting. 07.26.16 # reboot it again. 07.26.27 # if it still boots into ipod then you farked up step 4 somehow 07.26.36 # rockboc error: -1 07.26.40 # loading orginal firmware: 07.26.45 # * billytwowilly bets he knows how too. 07.26.51 # yah. 07.26.52 # .... 07.26.53 # >_< 07.26.57 # you farked up step 4 07.27.05 # there is a hidden dir called .rockbox in the zip archive. 07.27.07 # step 3 is done for sure 07.27.13 # you just copied over the rockbox.ipod file 07.27.27 # I'd put money on it. 07.27.38 # ok, its in there. 07.27.50 # i dont know about the hidden one 07.28.03 # ah, there the little bastard is 07.28.25 # if the hidden dir is in the root dir of the ipod reboot it again and rockbox should work. 07.28.55 # well, its still copying stuff 07.29.20 # lemme know once it's done and you've rebooted it. 07.29.33 # k 07.31.19 Quit daurnimator ("I wonder where that fish could be...") 07.32.53 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurnima@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 07.32.58 # OMFG! steve irwin is dead! 07.33.38 # YYAHHH!!!!!!!!!! 07.33.40 # What? 07.33.55 # It works!! Hahaha. 07.33.57 # aye, the crocodile hunter got nailed by a stingray in Queensland 07.34.11 # lame. 07.34.15 # * billytwowilly loved that guy 07.34.16 # ooohhhh gotta hurt 07.34.27 # I gues it's true only the nice die young. 07.34.40 # in the future, to put songs on the ipod, just plug it in, open the ipod in the desktop, drag and drop your mp3s or whatever into the ipod folder, then do the "safely remove" thing 07.35.09 # Galois: have you had your ipod delete mp3s on you? 07.35.13 # it works the same way in windows, just drag and drop your songs into the ipod (anywhere _except_ the iPod_control folder) 07.35.22 # ie if they were put directly in the root dir? 07.35.32 # technically, I don't have any mp3s on the ipod 07.35.33 # yup 07.35.35 # there all in there now 07.35.40 # but I've never had it delete files on me. 07.35.55 # my ipod mini deletes files on me. 07.35.59 # lol 07.36.01 # it's pissing me off. 07.36.08 # ok, now to go abuot the graphical enviorment 07.36.48 # EV|xubuntu: you should look at the manual and the parts about the WPS... maybe download some of them. you can make your ipod look a lot nicer. 07.37.06 # yeah, what im trying to find now 07.37.35 # errr..where is it? 07.38.11 # it had a list of things for the desktop 07.38.15 # err, menu. 07.40.22 # on the website.. I can't remember exactly where. 07.41.07 # hmm 07.41.35 # Galois 07.42.34 # EV|xubuntu 07.42.59 # Do you know where the skins and stuff are? 07.43.01 # I cant find them. 07.43.14 # some of them come with rockbox already 07.43.19 # right on the wiki.. 07.43.27 # front page of it actually 07.43.31 # hit the Menu button and scroll down to Browse Themes 07.43.36 # there is a link to the WPSs 07.44.30 # ah 07.44.32 # there it is 07.44.49 # you can download more themes from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300 but you have to put them in the right place, something like .rockbox/wps 07.46.53 Nick dongs is now known as umwhat (n=HPUX@i249222.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 07.49.15 Nick umwhat is now known as dongs (n=HPUX@i249222.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 07.54.38 # arg 07.56.16 # I cant get it to apply its theme.. 07.58.32 # I dont care anymore. I'll deal with it tomrrow. im going to bed... 08.00.17 # goodnight 08.07.13 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 08.07.47 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 08.09.46 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.09.52 # <[HO]vo|t> anyone need parts for a v2 recorder? i have two batteries (one stock and 2yr old/1yr use, one 2800mah and a 1yr use) and a case/circuitboard (minus headphone/line out jacks) 08.10.17 # heh, i dont even know what that is. lol 08.11.07 # <[HO]vo|t> what what is ? 08.11.11 # * billytwowilly doesn't think too many people use the original archos models anymore 08.11.33 # * billytwowilly stopped using his quite a while ago. 08.12.02 # <[HO]vo|t> agreed, but i can't see tossing something that could help someone else from buying a used ebay model 08.12.28 # true dat. 08.12.48 # we should have a forum section for posting players for free/ just shipping cost 08.12.59 # <[HO]vo|t> yeah that would be good 08.13.10 # <[HO]vo|t> i would have used my archos v2 recorder for another few years if my headphone jack self-repair would have went through 08.13.24 # heh. I think I actually still have my archos jukebox 6000 08.13.31 # did you buy a new mp3 player yet? 08.13.44 # Will the parts from a working archos jukebox 6000 help you? 08.14.00 # <[HO]vo|t> i've already decided to move away from older models actually 08.14.17 # k, because if it would have helped you I would have sent you it for just shipping cost 08.14.27 Nick EV|Sindows is now known as EV|Toshiba (n=Testing@pool-72-64-146-8.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 08.14.27 DBUG Enqueued KICK EV|Toshiba 08.14.30 Nick EV|xubuntu is now known as EV|Server (n=na@pool-72-64-146-8.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 08.14.30 DBUG Enqueued KICK EV|Server 08.14.43 # <[HO]vo|t> i bought an iaudio x5 60gb a few weeks ago from amazon, but there's a deal i found online that is making me return the one i have for another new one 08.14.54 # sweet! The gospel of the flying spaghetti monster has been released! 08.15.06 # heh. 08.15.13 # <[HO]vo|t> is that the one that there's porn/etc with? 08.15.13 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-20-82-250-27-10.adsl.proxad.net) 08.15.13 # that is morally reprehensible 08.15.45 # It's the one where the basic tenent is that there is a flying spaghetti monster that created everything and watches over everything. 08.15.54 # <[HO]vo|t> yeah that's right. 08.16.01 # and he uses his noodly appendage to influence scientific findings. 08.16.12 # and heaven has a beer volcano and a stripper factory 08.17.37 # WAY better than christianity. 08.17.49 # and it explains why the scientists keep finding things that contradict its teaching. 08.17.54 # err. teachings. 08.17.57 # it's all about the noodly appendage. 08.18.12 # and the bookstore by my house is showing one in stock. 08.18.14 # score 08.18.51 # <[HO]vo|t> sweet 08.19.07 # so in 8 hours I shall be purchasing a copy 08.20.35 # <[HO]vo|t> that sounds rather blasphemous and hilarious 08.23.09 # it is 08.23.11 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 3 seconds at the last flood 08.23.11 # * billytwowilly is an atheist 08.23.16 # * [HO]vo|t too 08.23.21 # * billytwowilly is a member of the least trusted group of people in america 08.23.31 # people will elect gays and muslims before atheists;) 08.23.35 # <[HO]vo|t> yeah 08.23.38 # <[HO]vo|t> ive read something like that 08.24.24 # <[HO]vo|t> wasnt there a video about that? like it namedropped all the athiests in popular culture 08.25.12 # yah, on digg. 08.25.36 # but I knew that before that video came out. it was in a study done a while ago. 08.25.50 # <[HO]vo|t> i see 08.26.10 # <[HO]vo|t> billytwowilly what do you run rockbox on? 08.26.19 # some times on my ipod 08.26.22 # nothing at the moment. 08.26.35 # if it comes out for the sansa e280 I will run it on that when it comes out. 08.27.09 # <[HO]vo|t> well, i can get an ipod 60gb or an iaudio x5 60gb for $10 less. would you say ipod or no 08.30.00 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 08.30.46 # I'd go iaudio. ipod is kind of a scam. 08.31.13 # iuadio has a nice fm tuner built in. 08.31.20 # and can record and has usb to go built in too. 08.31.43 # and much better documented hardware :) 08.32.28 # I wouldn't buy a hard drive based player though... 08.32.37 # * billytwowilly is moving to flash soon. 08.32.43 # flash for the win 08.32.44 # * billytwowilly is crazy hard on his electronics 08.33.09 # I'm honestly surprised how long my ipod mini has lasted. 08.33.26 # I've dropped it off my bike numerous times onto concrete and even out of my car onto concrete a couple times. 08.36.56 # <[HO]vo|t> i have a 1gb ipod nano coming in a couple months from KeyBank (explanation needed?) so ill have that for physical activity... my mass media will mostly stay in the car 08.37.11 # keybank? 08.37.48 # <[HO]vo|t> are you USA or eur or otherwise? 08.38.44 # Canada 08.39.15 # <[HO]vo|t> keybank in the states has an offer where if you are new to keybank and you open a checking acct and then either do direct deposit or get a credit card with them, you get a free 1gb ipod nano 08.40.01 # if I were buying I would just get the largest capacity flash player on the market that runs rockbox 08.40.02 # i think i might upgrade from my h120 when at least, say, 32 GB flash-based players are available and competetively priced :P 08.40.43 # lol. 08.40.45 # <[HO]vo|t> Galois: what is it currently? ipod nano 4gb? (they'll have 8gb out on sept 12 iirc) 08.40.52 # we have a similar thing here in canada for td canadatrust 08.41.09 # Galois: which will hopefully soon be the 8 gb sansa;) 08.43.12 # * EV|Server is away: zZz 08.43.35 Quit EV|Toshiba (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.48.48 Quit [HO]vo|t ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 08.49.30 Join [HO]vo|t [0] (n=gcadidas@cpe-24-93-102-155.columbus.res.rr.com) 08.50.47 Quit uski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.51.33 Quit tuwe (Remote closed the connection) 08.53.42 Join webguest35 [0] (i=c0647cda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.00.10 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-132-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.00.51 Join webguest12 [0] (i=d4d10305@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.00.53 Quit Kohlrabi (Client Quit) 09.01.17 Quit webguest12 (Client Quit) 09.06.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.16.19 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.19.20 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 09.23.09 # Slasheri: Your scheduling patch doesn't build for archos 09.23.25 # debug_menu.c: In function 'dbg_os': 09.23.25 # debug_menu.c:129: error: 'struct thread_entry' has no member named 'priority' 09.23.47 # * Bagder don't want no priority 09.24.37 Join the_fuchs [0] (n=the_fuch@193.5.60.49) 09.25.04 # and I don't see how we can introduce a priority to the scheduler without bending backwards 09.28.21 # Well, I'm not fond of introducing priorities myself, but Slasheri's patch seems to work according to him, and I just wanted to test it 09.28.42 # Priorities are optional with his patch, and hence the archos scheduler would run without 09.28.42 # so how does the priorities work? 09.29.10 # They are dynamic priorities, not static 09.29.11 # I mean, how can you tell when the low-prio ones should get scheduled? 09.29.18 # and how are they raised? 09.29.20 # So no thread gets starved 09.29.43 # you guys must be in europe 09.30.04 # there's something outside of Europe? 09.30.06 # You could just check out the patch. It's not on the tracker, but available here: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/scheduling.patch 09.30.22 # because I couoldn't talk about what you're tlaking about at 2 am;) 09.30.32 # 9:30 here 09.30.49 # Apart from that, 2 am is a good time for coding... 09.31.30 # I'm vegged out by then. can't think, don't want to. 09.31.44 # well, that's too not easy to tell by reading the patch I'd say... 09.32.26 # there's not a single comment added to explain how it works 09.32.45 # It looks like the priorities regulate the ratio with which the threads are scheduled 09.32.59 # Higher priority threads are just scheduled more often 09.33.31 # The only dynamics outside the scheduler is the handling of the playback thread. If it runs low, it raises its own priority 09.34.03 # * amiconn checked out a 'test' working copy and applied the patch there 09.34.05 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 09.34.13 # * LinusN mumbles something about worms in a can 09.34.28 # I don't see what good this will bring 09.34.33 # compared to the problems 09.35.38 # Well, according to Slasheri it's a working approach against playback skipping 09.35.58 # I just wanted to test in order to have some facts for argumentation 09.36.10 # I can understand that, but the question is: is it the proper fix? 09.36.36 # amiconn: of course, that's a good approach 09.37.01 # but I rather start by examining the concept and theory behind it 09.37.07 # my uninitiated guess is that the UI will lag behind when the codec needs cpu 09.37.20 # * midkay perks his ears at "approach against playback skipping"... 09.37.35 # LinusN: UI gets slower when the codec runs low, yes 09.37.54 # so what happens when the codec is really hungry, i.e non-realtime 09.37.56 # ? 09.38.26 # munch munch 09.38.39 Join sandoaway [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 09.40.50 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060903.txt 12:20 thru 12:55 and 13:59 and later 09.41.37 # It seems like the patch I linked to is not the latest 09.41.41 # * amiconn ings Slasheri 09.41.46 # *pings 09.41.50 Nick the_fuchs is now known as tuwe (n=the_fuch@193.5.60.49) 09.57.05 Join Jason [0] (n=Jason@adsl-d37.84-47-4.t-com.sk) 09.57.48 # Yo! 09.59.08 Quit sando (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.59.39 # hi Jason 10.00.38 # amiconn: it's not the newest but should work also 10.00.48 # i will create a new patch at evening 10.01.19 # in fact UI should be even more responsive with the new patc 10.01.37 # Slasheri: do you implement a max-time to prevent starvation? 10.05.32 # LinusN: yes, all threads get cpu time 10.06.02 # currently that is (current_tick - last_run) > current_priority * 10 10.06.12 # LinusN: if you can, please try the patch :) 10.06.17 # i must say that i'm *very* reluctant to introducing priority 10.06.28 # for example running cube with the max boost mode, does not cause even q8 vorbis to skip 10.06.34 # i'd like to test the patch, if you can bring me the latest one 10.06.44 # and check the improved debug menu for process stack also 10.06.53 # it separates running and sleeping processes 10.07.08 # LinusN: the one on the web should be working 10.07.50 # so what's new in your newer, unreleased patch? 10.07.50 # I wish companies developed their software like this. It's so cool watching the devs duke it out;) 10.08.36 # LinusN: it has only some bug fixes and compiles better on different targets 10.08.40 # but no new features 10.08.49 # ok 10.09.04 # but i need to go now, be back soon and check the logs later :) -| 10.12.46 Quit perplexity ("Check out my rear window") 10.13.52 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as82523.alshamil.net.ae) 10.19.10 Join webguest00 [0] (i=52678186@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.19.52 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45D0B.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.24.11 Quit webguest00 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.27.04 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEEF24.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.30.00 Join webguest07 [0] (i=50edeb09@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.31.35 Quit webguest07 (Client Quit) 10.32.52 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 10.32.57 # morning 10.33.27 # I wonder if i should file a bug-report to the (as far as i know) lacking A-B support on the ipods 10.35.32 # as the A-B repeat option is possible to select. 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 10.48.21 Join crwll [0] (n=crawlie@130.234.204.55) 10.48.23 # test. can someone read what I write? 10.48.25 Quit tucoz (Connection reset by peer) 10.48.29 Join karl [0] (n=karl@145.244.105.108) 10.48.31 Join ender1 [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 10.48.37 # hi all ! 10.48.41 # hey ho 10.48.48 # tucoz: yes 10.49.14 # does anyone here know where to find info about how to replace the headphone plug on a iriver ihp-140 ? 10.49.25 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 10.49.39 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 10.49.42 # well, that connnector is very special, i haven't found a source for it 10.49.46 # it seems mine is slowly breaking, its not making good contact to the plug any more 10.49.54 # bugger 10.50.21 Join Strogg_ [0] (n=user@205.150.199.219) 10.50.32 # LinusN, my connection lagged 10.50.41 # several minutes 10.51.07 Join Jason_ [0] (n=Jason@adsl-d37.84-47-4.t-com.sk) 10.51.08 # karl: i'm sure you can convince someone to send you a connector from a broken h1xx 10.51.34 Quit Rick ("I don't need to be here.") 10.52.13 # but it might be quite difficult to solder, doesnt it combine mic and headphone ? 10.52.26 # LinusN, do you know anything about the A-B mode on ipods? 10.52.50 # karl: no, but it combines the headphones and the remote control connector 10.52.56 # tucoz: not a thing 10.53.21 # karl: and yes, it might be tricky to solder if you are inexperienced 10.53.51 # I think that has to be selected through the context menu, but that item is missing afaik 10.53.55 # bugger.... i wonder if I can maybe just bend the contacts in the plug a bit, so it gets better contact again 10.54.02 # (due to the lack of buttons on the ipods) 10.54.39 Quit dpassen (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.54.44 Quit crwl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.54.53 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 10.55.10 # karl: it depends on whether it is the contacts inside the connector or if it is the soldering 10.55.11 Quit solarflare (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.55.30 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 10.55.30 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 10.55.31 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 10.55.33 # tucoz: i guess nobody has cared until now 10.55.59 # probably not. well, one person did. He came in here telling me that the manual was wrong ;) 10.56.04 Quit Strogg (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.56.21 # and then I started to care 10.56.30 # tucoz: i hope you flamed him real good :-) 10.56.37 # hehe 10.56.39 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.57.02 Quit Jason (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.57.02 Nick Jason_ is now known as Jason (n=Jason@adsl-d37.84-47-4.t-com.sk) 10.57.53 Quit Febs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.58.50 # thanks linux, i'll have a look at the circuit-board pics on the rockbox website, and maybe have a look at ebay :) 10.59.04 # s /linux/linus/ 11.00.06 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.00.36 Quit sandoaway (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.03.19 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-20-82-250-27-10.adsl.proxad.net) 11.04.27 Join bluebrother [0] (i=810d4658@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 11.06.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.10.57 # karl: germany? 11.13.13 # Slasheri: The patch on the web doesn't even compile for archos, in case you didn't see that in the logs already 11.14.36 # karl: hmmm, looks like the headphone connector might be a standard connector after all 11.14.48 Quit uski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.15.42 # LinusN: Hmm, do you know whether the headphone connector in the recv1 is available somewhere? 11.15.59 # amiconn: ah, yes i did.. i have already fixed that in the new version but i am not able to test it yet 11.16.20 # amiconn: you could just remove the priority variable from the debug menu, then it should work 11.16.40 # My connector is still working, but a bit of plastic broke off the top. The remote contact is a bit loose, probably because of this 11.18.47 # amiconn: i dunno, but i guess jrg could have a spare or two 11.19.14 # Slasheri: read my questions earlier? 11.19.21 # LinusN: true, that is just a performance thing so we don't need to go through the entire process list to find the highest priority. And running lower priority threads from time to time shouldn't be an issue because they are run anyway 11.20.03 # i see 11.20.54 # hehe, i played some AAC files that requires 100% boost and are still not realtime 11.21.07 # the ui lagged somewhat 11.21.43 # and it still skipped of course 11.22.17 # :D 11.22.24 # i'd really like a few comments in the code 11.32.25 # Slasheri: i had problems with your schedular... i tinhk it was that anyway... it seems to freeze up on startup if resume on startup is on... music doesnt play, and i can access the menus but nott he file browser, but if i press stop it crashes 11.32.42 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-20-82-250-27-10.adsl.proxad.net) 11.32.57 # also, +-2% on the pitch screen pauses the audio for half a sec when u use it. 11.33.19 # * JdGordon back in an hour 11.34.40 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 11.38.06 # anyone got an url for the patch? 11.38.25 # http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/scheduling.patch 11.38.59 # * Bagder got to use xchat's fancy URL grabber window 11.40.14 # Hehe 11.40.29 # * amiconn uses this feature quite often 11.40.42 # In HydraIRC it's called URL Catcher 11.40.59 # cool. 11.41.06 # konversation has that too. 11.41.15 # the more you know (tm) 11.41.26 # veryone picture a star with a rainbow tail;) 11.41.35 # e^ 11.43.11 # JdGordon: did you try wit the newest version? 11.43.21 # i updated the patch twice yesterday 11.45.41 Join Spida_ [0] (n=timo@spinnennetz.org) 11.45.41 # works fine for me, takes a good while until it starts the playback though 11.46.42 # pitch works fine for me 11.49.46 # * preglow tries out the patch with the struggling 24 bit flac file 11.52.00 Quit Spida (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.57.52 # works nice, ui becomes very sluggish 11.58.28 # it actually does skip less 11.58.33 # * linuxstb isn't sure if a sluggish UI is good thing 11.59.00 Quit SanAlmighty (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.59.07 # * preglow isn't sure if skipping is a good thing 11.59.21 Join SanAlmighty [0] (n=San@213-202-159-242.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 11.59.33 # Neither are a good thing - but if a user is using the UI, that should maybe get priority... 12.00.07 # Unfortunately there is no real choice 12.00.39 # Either make it skip less and slow down the UI, or make the UI responsive and let it skip more 12.01.03 # We only have a fixed amount of CPU power available 12.01.13 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 12.01.30 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.01.33 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 12.01.38 Quit dwihno ("Reconnecting") 12.01.38 Join dwihno [0] (n=dw@81.8.226.44) 12.01.41 # or 3) Improve the code so neither skips. 12.04.22 # Of course 12.04.23 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.05.29 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.05.35 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 12.05.41 # wouldn't it be possible with that approach to tune the priority of the ui-thread and the codec-thread so that they get slight more priority depending on what the users focus is atm? 12.05.51 # How much of a problem is skipping on the iriver? I can't recall ever experiencing it on my h140, but then I always use FLAC. 12.06.43 # it never skipped for me. I mainly listen to >=192kbps mp3s. 12.06.48 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 12.07.05 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.07.14 # linuxstb: flac is what skips for me right now 12.07.17 # only thing i can make skip 12.07.32 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 12.07.33 # anyway 12.07.42 # Does it skip if you do nothing, or only when heavily using the UI? 12.07.49 # nothing 12.07.52 # preglow: AAC does skip on coldfire, doesn't it? 12.07.55 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 12.07.59 # amiconn: yes, but i have no aac files 12.08.13 # i'm not entirely convinced priorities is a bad thing 12.08.37 # * amiconn read that there is now a free (beer) good quality aac encoder 12.08.48 # from Ahead iirc 12.09.12 # i prefer something not patented to pieces 12.09.26 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host220-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 12.09.28 # isn't the ffmpeg project working on a fixed point aac decoder? 12.09.30 Quit spiorf_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.09.39 # ah, you wrote encoder 12.09.55 # I surely won't switch to using aac as standard format, but a free encoder is good for making test files 12.10.12 # Even if it's only free as in free beer 12.11.10 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.13.43 Quit Rob2222 () 12.14.21 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-132-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.14.57 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 12.15.54 Join webguest83 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 12.16.05 # sure 12.20.19 # amiconn: i can't find this encoder 12.21.52 # preglow, http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/eng/Nero_Digital_Audio.html 12.22.03 # preglow, http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=44310 12.23.52 # Hmm.... "Compression Ratios ranging from ultra high (58 CDs fit on one!) to High-End Audio (2.5:1), for absolutely perfect audiophile encodings " 12.24.13 # bah, windows only 12.24.57 # There's no free beer under Linux... 12.25.07 # Slasheri: i tryed the veriosn u sent me about 1am my time.. so probably not the latest 12.28.17 # i wonder how functional the aac decoder is now 12.30.10 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.30.50 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.169.26) 12.32.55 # preglow: I've been thinking that another approach to getting a decent AAC decoder would be to start by stripping all the unused code out of libfaad, seeing what's left, and then trying to optimise/rewrite/simplify it. 12.33.07 # all the unused code? 12.33.09 # what would that be? 12.33.32 # unless you mean we're only going to support aac-lc, it's not going to be much 12.33.34 # It's an #ifdef nightmare last time I looked. All the floating point paths, profiles which haven't been ported to fixed point. 12.33.52 # i'd rather just wait for the ffmpeg code :> 12.34.44 Quit karl (Remote closed the connection) 12.34.54 # I know, but they don't seem to be working on a fixed-point version. Or do you think it would be easier to convert the ffmpeg decoder to fixed-point instead of working with libfaad? 12.36.02 # indeed 12.36.37 # We need an AAC fan to come along and do something... 12.37.40 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6284.0 12.37.47 # apple certainly knows how to wreck a good gcc 12.38.42 Quit amiconn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.38.42 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 12.39.10 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@84.254.39.158) 12.40.54 # will gcc compplain if you try initialising a struct that has an array in it like this... blaa = { a,b, {ca,cb,cc}, d}; ? 12.44.51 # hmm... it will let me if the array is the last item.. which may be enough 12.48.56 Quit bluebrother ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 12.51.01 # Bagder: Btw, what happened to the darwin) case in configure during your rework? 12.52.14 # very good question 12.52.16 # that apple patch is still in flyspray... 12.52.42 # :'( why are you aloud to init a char* in a struct but not a int* ? 12.53.36 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 12.54.50 # amiconn: I think that was in rockboxdev.sh 12.55.09 # JdGordon: there shouldn't be a difference 12.55.58 # linuxstb: the lpc is definitely the bottleneck for 24 bit flac files. performance problems arise just about at the exact same spot in the file where lpc frames start appearing more commonly than fixed frames 12.56.24 # LinusN: thats what i thought... but i get warning: excess elements in scalar initializer when i try to init the int*... ? 12.56.36 # The same lpc stuff that you wrote an asm version for for 16bit files? 12.56.41 # amiconn: yes 12.56.43 # barrywardell: anything that speaks against committing that macos patch? 12.57.03 # just the .map thing 12.57.43 # i don't think it affects any other builds so mac just wouldn't have a .map file created 12.58.02 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 12.58.10 # Bagder: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060903.txt 20:18 12.58.22 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 12.58.40 # amiconn: ? 12.58.55 # when I changed what? 12.59.04 # I don't see me ever changed anything darwin in there 12.59.05 # there are also some linking warnings about multiple definitions of functions (I think it was memset among others) 13.03.41 # anyone have any ideas on what'll be faster? doing two separate mac chains with parallel loads for both the upper and lower part of the 64 bit result, or just using emac for upper part and mulu for lower part without having to load data again 13.04.44 # Bagder: Hmm. Maybe that totoetlititi used a patch before, which now doesn't apply anymore because configure changed 13.05.10 # He should have statet this though 13.05.22 # yeah, it might be that macos patch barrywardell talks about 13.05.50 # preglow: It probably depends on where the data is read from. If it's SDRAM, loading once should be substantially faster 13.05.56 # barrywardell: Were you able to reliably crash your H10 when enabling cpu frequency scaling? 13.06.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.30 # not necessarily reliably, but disabling scaling stopped the crashes 13.07.12 # amiconn: should be iram on most targets 13.08.19 # another thing was that TrueJournals said he had changed boost to 0 in the debug menu. changing it to 1 stopped the crashes even with scaling enabled 13.09.26 # Manually setting the boost count to 1 is the same thing as disabling the scaling - the CPU will just run at a constant 75MHz. 13.09.44 # linuxstb: kernel.c:397. Should that be |= instead of =? It says it should be in system.c:1273 13.10.12 # I think so. Have you tried it? 13.10.35 # it doesn't cause any new problems 13.10.52 # the crashes are intermittent so i'm not sure if it helps them 13.12.08 # IMHO you should have left the CPU scaling in CVS - to help debug it. 13.12.45 # linuxstb: From the comment in system.c it looks like = instead of |= was intentional in a lot of places - is that just something we've copied from IPL? 13.13.08 # amiconn: on second thought, the mac chain approach is probably faster, yes. a 32 bit mac has a 1 cycle throughput if you chain lots of them, but a mulu always takes about 3-4 cycles, i think 13.13.36 # dan_a: I'm not sure - I didn't copy those parts of the code. The comments in system.c are mine though. 13.14.45 Quit webguest83 ("CGI:IRC") 13.17.30 # can anyone explain what ICONST_ATTR attribute does? 13.17.46 # i don't see why it should be = instead of |= 13.18.00 # linuxstb: you make a good point 13.18.15 # regarding scaling 13.18.41 # is there any way to get the english version of any translatable string without doing it manually? (i.e counting the \0's in builtin[]? 13.19.33 # theli_ua: places a const variable/array in iram 13.20.32 # preglow, i'm just asking becuse when i define some char array as ICONST_ATTR i get different results then when i declare it without such attribute ... 13.21.05 # and that seems strange to me 13.22.20 # what "different results" ? 13.22.51 # hi 13.23.00 # i use unsigned char pixmask[4] /*ICONST_ATTR*/ = { 13.23.00 # 0xC0, 0x30, 0x0C, 0x03 13.23.00 # }; 13.23.00 DBUG Enqueued KICK theli_ua 13.23.00 # for rendering a frame 13.23.21 # when it has ICONST_ATTR i get corrupted picture 13.23.24 # theli_ua: do you remember to copy iramcopy to the actual iram? 13.23.32 # :() 13.23.36 # there you go 13.23.51 # thanks preglow :) 13.24.43 # preglow: What about that 24bit flac on arm? Does it also struggle? 13.26.22 # amiconn: checking it out now 13.27.38 # preglow, when specifying IBSS_ATTR i need to copy to? 13.28.36 # theli_ua: you should always copy if you use iram at all 13.28.50 # amiconn: it does way, way better 13.28.52 # never skips 13.28.59 # completely decent boost ratio 13.29.10 # IBSS needs to be cleared, not copied 13.29.42 # linuxstb: do you know if the qlevel shift parameter in flac can ever be zero 13.29.42 # ? 13.30.00 # amiconn, i got lost ... so what needs to be done when specifying IBSS? 13.30.22 # Check how the other plugins which use IRAM do it, e.g. doom or rockboy 13.30.28 # ok 13.31.08 # i still think the iram procedure should be made a macro 13.31.36 # rockboom.c lines 43..49 and 788..794 13.31.41 # *rockdoom.c 13.34.03 # thnx, i've already implemented this :) 13.34.23 # i think 13.38.16 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 13.38.47 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081CE14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.38.50 Quit SanAlmighty (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.39.21 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.39.31 # dionoea: Around? 13.40.35 # aliask: ? 13.40.53 # Just some thoughts about how to make solitaire prettier 13.40.59 # On H300 at least. 13.41.09 # i'm listening :) 13.41.25 Join SanAlmighty [0] (n=San@213-202-159-242.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 13.41.28 # At the moment the cards are spaced to take up the full height of the screen, and I don't really like it like that. 13.41.34 # preglow: Looking at the code and the spec (http://flac.sourceforge.net/format.html#subframe_lpc), I would guess the answer is yes. 13.41.45 # Is it possible to adjust the spacing? 13.42.03 # preglow: Although it seems the shift can be negative - but our decoder doesn't allow it. 13.42.31 # yeah, i though about adding a max spacing between cards 13.42.57 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 13.42.57 # * amiconn likes how solitaire looks on the h300 13.43.15 # I much preferred the old spacings before the rework. 13.43.18 # i also noticed a bug in 3 cards mode 13.43.27 # must be from one of my commits yesterday 13.44.44 # aliask: i'll do the max spacing thing 13.44.51 # That'd be great :) 13.45.15 # I'd say at least 50% of the time actually using the player would be in that plugin. 13.45.33 # i use the chopper plugin a lot too :) 13.45.39 # linuxstb: negative? sounds weird 13.45.42 # but that's not commited yet 13.45.57 # dionoea: I encountered some strange effects using shortcuts in draw three mode (on Ondio)... all effecting the 3 drawn cards (would be a long list...) 13.45.58 # No, though I like the idea of it. Havn't got around to actually compiling it. 13.46.40 # I think that was already the case before your latest commit 13.47.35 # i'll fix those tonight 13.48.59 # linuxstb: the 64 bit lpc decoder won't allow 0 either, i think 13.49.08 Join webguest11 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.49.29 # bbl 13.49.59 # not for coldfire, at least 13.50.16 # hmm, forget that 13.50.27 # it would work just nice 13.53.36 # preglow: Do you really need 2 full streaks? 13.54.01 # I would guess that for a 24bit lpc decoder it would be sufficient to use 32x32->64 bit multiplications 13.54.32 Join Febs [0] (n=shortcho@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 13.55.06 Quit webguest11 ("CGI:IRC") 13.55.28 # amiconn: what do you mean? not calculating the lower bits? 13.57.46 # * JdGordon 's 3rd try with the settings looks promising :D 13.58.34 # preglow: The same way you said that for 16bit it is possible to use 16x16->32 multiplications... 13.59.48 # i _think_ it's possible. i did a test once, and it sounded just fine 13.59.57 # i should investigate that further 14.00.19 # anyway, it all depends on the size of the shift 14.04.14 # according to the same spec page linuxstb pasted, it does seem like it. what gets multiplied is coefs and samples, the samples are 16 bit or lower in that case and coefs can't be any more than fifteen bits, it seems 14.04.28 # cvsdo: ERROR: Directory has sticky date revision; cannot add file ... what can i do about this ? :( 14.05.39 # preglow: Then hooray; I should do some experiments with SH1 mac and flac... 14.06.05 # 24bit flac is very probably out of question, of course 14.06.20 # not a loss i would mourn anyway 14.07.55 # hmm, one rotten thing is that both samples and coefs are saved as 32 bits anyway 14.08.06 # you should modify that for sh1 14.08.23 # unless of course that would be suboptimal for some reason i don't know of 14.08.25 # sh1 is weird :) 14.08.39 # sh1 isn't weird 14.09.14 # It's quite straightforward risc 14.09.32 # ...imho easier to understand than e.g. arm 14.10.15 # SH-DSP would be more involved 14.12.56 # hmm, it wouldn't be completely safe without additional checks, though 14.13.28 # the decoder just checks that the sum of the coef precision and sample precision is lower than 32 bits before invoking the "16 bit" lpc decoder 14.20.58 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 14.26.03 Quit barrywardell () 14.28.45 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 14.29.54 Join bluebrother [0] (i=Sx8bTbnI@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 14.36.20 # why are there so few good looking wps's for the h300 and so many for ipoo :'( 14.36.41 # JdGordon: because all the h300 ones are on misticriver.net 14.36.55 # ... and are made for weird custom versions 14.37.15 # :'( 14.38.45 # stupid AA wps's :p 14.39.32 Join webguest10 [0] (i=549965f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.40.09 # jdGordon: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35852 for H300 wps at mistic 14.40.33 # im there already.. found 1 i migth like... checking what it looks like on the player :p 14.41.09 # * JdGordon is sick of ajant 14.41.41 # some pretty ones and some wacky ones 14.42.48 Quit uski (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.43.13 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-53-82-65-32-234.adsl.proxad.net) 14.43.21 # StarTrek 2.0 is really wacky, wonder if trekkie fans would like it 14.45.05 # iPod H500 looks nice 14.45.13 # You know, just before the freeze, there was talk of incorporating the margin patch into CVS. 14.45.38 # I think that is the bigger issue with using many of those WPSes on a standard build, rather than the AA issue. 14.45.56 # * Bagder runs for cooooofffeeeeee 14.47.00 # Febs: The problem with doing that IMO is that we will make WPSes work with CVS, but then we will probably break them all again when viewports are implemented - assuming viewports will replace the margins patch. 14.47.29 # viewports isnt really happening any time soon tho is it? 14.47.58 Part webguest10 14.48.11 # Is it realistic to think that implementing viewports won't break existing WPSes anyway? 14.48.20 # yes 14.48.41 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 14.48.55 # Fair enough. 14.49.35 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-132-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.50.07 # Viewports will default to the whole screen unless the wps specifies another viewport 14.50.24 # So old wps'es that don't specify viewports will just work like before 14.51.33 # That makes sense. 14.51.36 # JdGordon: One reason why I still didn't start working on viewports is because I have to catch up with all the archos breakage :/ 14.51.41 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A5994.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.51.56 # .... 14.52.47 # Still, it's not like those WPSes work with Rockbox now anyway, so they're going to have to be updated when viewports are implemented one way or the other. 14.52.55 # And I still use my archoses quite often, one reason being that rockbox still isn't really reliable on swcodec, in modules I don't understand well enough to fix them myself :/ 14.52.58 # amiconn: have you tryed the shutdown patch yet? 14.53.51 # Febs: True, but people will also create new WPSs. 14.54.26 # I don't even use any of those WPSes. I'm just tired of the "Why is my WPS messed up" threads in the forums. 14.54.27 # * JdGordon gone 14.54.40 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 14.54.51 # Febs: I'm not talking about wps'es for inofficially patched rockbox, but about those which are working with current cvs 14.57.32 # Sorry, I wasn't clear. When I said "those WPSes" I was talking about the ones that work with unofficial builds. 14.57.58 # But I understood your point. 14.59.06 # Yes, but adding the margin patch would make them official 14.59.34 # Febs: I'm sure there are always going to be those problems - the WPS seems to be the favourite place for people to hack new features into, and one of many places where no developer with CVS access seems to work... 15.00.57 # Another reason why I didn't start viewports yet is that I deem wps design fairly unimportant. It's just design, which helps nothing if the functionality is broken 15.01.31 # But since viewports will also be useful in other places, I'll start implementing them sometime soonish 15.01.31 # I agree with you completely on that point. 15.01.46 # I'm always amazed how much people value the appearance over functionality. 15.02.05 # Depends on what other things there are to clean u 15.02.06 # p 15.02.42 # * amiconn in fact uses the default wps on his swcodec targets 15.02.43 # There was a post in the forum the other day by someone who was going to return to the original iriver firmware because he didn't like Rockbox's FM radio screen. 15.02.57 # hahaha 15.03.46 # JdGordon, have you had a look on http://www.rockbox-themes.org? There are quite some nice looking for h300 15.04.07 # I also want to work on pcm recording for MAS... but hopefully that will be quite simple 15.04.18 # (as a techpreview plugin first) 15.04.46 # I believe all wps from that page work on unpatched versions. 15.04.47 # What do I hear? Has there finally been docs made available on the mas? 15.05.14 # * amiconn wonders how long dwihno was in deep-sleep mode ;) 15.05.21 # * Bagder puts the blanket back over dwihno, go back to sleep 15.05.25 # Check the datasheet page... 15.05.47 # Bagder: Misa wants coffee! No blanketses! 15.05.48 # :) 15.05.49 # The wavplay plugin is available & working since early april... 15.06.02 # sorry, haven't been too active :) 15.06.09 # hehe 15.06.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.06.23 # Plays canonical 16bit wav files with all standard sample rates, mono & stereo 15.06.29 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 15.06.36 # ...on Recorders and Ondios 15.07.19 # Who got the PDF? 15.07.27 # [15:05:25] Check the datasheet page... 15.07.36 # I'm wasting my time on glyph drawing again: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/nimbus-arabic.png 15.07.54 # wow 15.07.54 # [IDC]Dragon finally got the docs, code, and permission for distribution in July 2005 15.08.18 # amiconn: ah, okay... a heapload of thanks to him for his work then \o/ 15.08.37 # He also was the one who started working on the wavplay plugin at devcon, but didn't get it working 15.09.01 # I fixed it and added some more things like DMA and WAV header evaluation 15.09.13 # neato! great work! 15.09.17 # I need to test it out then. 15.09.56 # markun: Can you read Arabic? 15.10.00 # What's still missing is the integration into the core playback enginwe 15.10.26 # linuxstb: a bit, but not the meaning of the words :) 15.10.27 # So you can just play a single wav file, then select the next one 15.11.10 # amiconn: Have you considered not unifying the playback engines? 15.11.18 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@84.254.39.158) 15.14.10 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.14.21 # linuxstb: I would in fact prefer to unify them, especially if things like metadata on buffer get added, but surely won't start doing that until the engine becomes stable 15.14.38 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 15.14.53 # That's why I want to look into pcm recording; this might be easier to integrate in the core than pcm playback 15.15.18 # I "just" need to cut out recording from the mpeg thread, and add proper MAS status handling 15.17.26 # This will also help to bring down power consumption in FM radio mode 15.18.31 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust438.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 15.20.01 Nick belZe is now known as belze (i=belze@pinky.rte.xs26.be.ofloo.net) 15.20.25 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.21.02 Quit Pyromancer ("Ex-Chat") 15.21.24 Quit Arathis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.24.08 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 15.26.46 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.31.11 Quit Xerion_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.31.12 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 15.32.53 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A5994.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.34.04 Part LinusN 15.40.03 # with the FM mentioned some time ago: does somebody want to have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5929? 15.41.31 # Is mpa.codec the codec for MP3? 15.41.42 # yes 15.42.25 # and mp1 and mp2 15.43.26 # preglow: Do you have any idea what could cause a call to mad_decode_frame() to never return? (I'm trying to use it in mpegplayer...) It's a problem that only seems to happen on my ipod, not in the sim. 15.43.48 # (sorry, mad_frame_decode() 15.44.23 # hmm, no 15.44.36 # Someone on MR claims that there is a sound quality issue with recent builds: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=492858 15.47.59 Quit belze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.49.48 Quit SanAlmighty (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.52.07 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 15.55.59 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A464B9.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.03.41 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.04.01 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 16.14.04 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 16.14.57 Join senab [0] (i=senab@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.15.13 # jdgordon, you here? 16.20.42 Quit senab (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC") 16.22.04 # more spam than baked beans these days 16.22.21 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-77-251.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.23.51 Part TrueJournals 16.26.56 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54BCEECB.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.31.48 # Febs: Maybe that person on MR is comparing sizes of the Musepack (mpc.codec) file - which is 40KB in the current build. 16.37.16 # Febs: There have been no changes to the codec for about 4 months. So if there has been a bug introduced, it will probably affect all codecs - it's worth asking the poster to test some other formats (e.g. FLAC) with both his old and new builds. 16.37.32 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-029-021.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.39.01 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.39.31 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 16.39.34 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.41.54 # when did amiconn do his bss magic? 16.43.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp175-13.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.44.44 # preglow: January... 16.45.14 # oooook 16.45.32 # If you're talking about revison 1.34: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/mpa.c 16.50.53 # bss magic? 16.52.40 # Removing the bss and ibss from the .codec/.rock files I think. 16.53.21 # i was just thinking about the alleged reduction in file size 16.53.26 # Ah ok. Dunno if that can be called 'magic' ... 16.53.28 # that's the only reason i could think of 16.54.05 # is there a reason why rockbox since a few days sometimes spins up the disk before entering a menu? 16.54.46 # the settings reset and you forgot to re-enable dircache? 16.54.58 # menus don't use dircache 16.55.05 # ah.. 16.55.25 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.55.32 # but this happens for example when i enter the playback menu, where the disk doesn't have to be accessed 16.56.44 # Do you have voice enabled? 16.57.28 # voice for menus was enabled, but i have no voice file in the lang folder. 16.57.56 Join mantono [0] (n=mantono@c83-250-204-173.bredband.comhem.se) 16.57.59 # hmm 17.00.15 Quit theli_ua ("Leaving") 17.00.44 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as82523.alshamil.net.ae) 17.02.23 # also, with dircache enabled it sometimes spins up the disk when entering a directory 17.04.04 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 17.06.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.06.57 # PaulJam: which font are you using? 17.07.07 # hmm, this doesn't seem to happen with default settings 17.07.15 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 17.07.15 # markun: nimbus 12 17.07.28 # Might have something to do with font caching 17.09.13 # you are propably right, i just changed the font to nimbus 12 and it started to spin up when entering a menu. 17.13.43 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 17.15.00 Quit apo ("Leaving") 17.18.25 Join apo [0] (n=apo@dslb-084-057-075-009.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.20.15 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 17.20.21 Nick Strogg_ is now known as Strogg (n=user@205.150.199.219) 17.20.24 Quit apo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.20.35 Join apo [0] (n=apo@dslb-084-057-075-009.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.20.39 Join barrywardell [0] (i=892b7a6e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 17.20.48 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 17.21.47 Quit lex (Nick collision from services.) 17.21.48 Join lex [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 17.22.01 Quit lex (Nick collision from services.) 17.23.01 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 17.23.53 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 17.24.13 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 17.26.15 Quit apo (Remote closed the connection) 17.26.47 Join lex_ [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 17.28.47 Join apo [0] (n=apo@dslb-084-057-075-009.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.30.00 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 17.30.23 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host220-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 17.32.23 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54933A24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.38.36 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-225-94.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 17.38.45 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.38.45 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@207-237-225-94.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 17.39.30 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-118-133.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.44.41 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 17.45.54 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.47.48 Quit PaulJam (".") 17.49.21 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82.12.30.125) 17.49.39 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 17.49.48 Quit CriamosAndy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.57.44 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 17.58.17 Quit webguest35 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 17.58.24 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@84.254.39.158) 18.00.39 Join apo` [0] (n=apo@dslb-088-065-076-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.02.01 Quit apo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.05.58 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54877BB0.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.07.54 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.08.12 Quit barrywardell ("CGI:IRC") 18.13.06 # amiconn: here is the cleaned up version of the scheduler patch: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/scheduler2.patch 18.13.20 # does it have comments? :> 18.13.29 # ah, not yet.. =) 18.13.49 # hmm, probably i should add those next 18.14.16 # worth checking out the sentiment to commiting it first anyway 18.14.21 # i foresee some resistance :> 18.15.10 # hehe, true :) 18.16.15 # but at least nobody has yet proven it opens a can of worms ;) 18.16.21 # If I can understand the code and it makes MP3s play at less than 100% boost on 3G iPods, then it'll get my vote. 18.16.35 # I'll give it some testing when I get home 18.19.16 # Slasheri: Have you had any thoughts about how well / badly your patch integrates with the dual core work I've been doing? Off the top of my head I can't see why it should cause any problems 18.24.30 # dan_a: it should work just fine 18.24.51 # currently it operates just on single core as before 18.25.01 # but now it should be easier to move tasks between cores on the fly 18.26.27 # Excellent - though I'm not sure we'd want to move tasks between cores (What a big pile of cans of worms you have there!) 18.28.11 # hehe :D 18.28.54 # I think if you're changing the way you call create_thread then it shouldn't be a problem to get rid of create_thread_on_core, too. Just add "unsigned int core" to the parameter list, and make anything that calls it at the moment use CURRENT_CORE 18.29.20 # * EV|Server is back (gone 09:46:07) 18.30.06 # (and that goes for *_on_core too) 18.31.47 Join barrywardell [0] (i=892b7a6e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 18.36.49 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 18.39.02 Join webguest30 [0] (i=c3ec4b1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 18.50.09 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 18.55.17 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h8n8c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 19.01.07 # hey 19.01.40 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 19.01.57 # hi mirak 19.03.22 # so I did in asm the idct_row and idct_col. I can use them to replace the C version but only separately otherwise there is artifacts. there is also a problem if I don't clear the accumalators each time at the begining of the function, despite clearing them always at the end. 19.03.45 # so I am wondering if any thread could interfere 19.05.12 # re 19.06.26 # If using the emac works in other plugins (and the codecs), it ought to be something else, I think... 19.06.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.10.56 # Lear: don't know, maybe there are sound quality loss 19.11.09 # that we don't perceive 19.11.12 # ?? 19.12.10 # I can show you the idct.c file in a pastebin. I am really sure that my last move from acc are movclr. 19.12.54 # mirak: maybe it doesn't get cleared by some other functions that use the emac? 19.12.55 # Lear: do you know how ordonancing works ? 19.13.06 # Why not? A fresh pair of eyes might help... 19.13.20 # Ordonancing? What is that? 19.13.26 # Lear: hem threading ? 19.15.26 # mirak: A thread calls yield() in order to tell the kernel to switch threads. So your code won't be interrupted by another thread unless you call yield(). 19.15.39 # mirak: you expect me to know something about which google gives no hits? ;) 19.16.23 # Lear: no, I don't know how much you are involved in rockbox, or wich part you know the best 19.16.36 # Lear: unless you tell me to google 19.16.39 # :) 19.17.24 # Well, I know a bit, but I don't really have a speciality. Tremor maybe... 19.18.07 # mirak: do you set the macsr yourself? 19.18.14 # macsr is probably set to fractional mode by default 19.19.02 Join ep0ch_ [0] (n=ep0ch@84-12-75-140.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 19.19.36 # preglow: yes I always set it when entering the function for now. I will do a row and columns in one function. in fact I have done it but it doesn't work well yet. 19.19.58 # and you're absolutely sure you remember to always clear the accumulators? 19.20.31 # mirak: can you show us your code? 19.20.39 # no thread should be able to interfere if you do that 19.20.45 Part TrueJournals 19.20.49 # unless you're actually yielding inside the function, which you shouldn't 19.22.10 Join Paul_The_Ner1 [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 19.22.40 # markun: yes I am pasting 19.23.23 # preglow: there is really not much code 19.23.23 Quit uski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.23.25 # dan_a: your server seems to be compiling fine now 19.23.35 # pastebin, ples 19.23.49 # preglow: there is maybe one thing I don't do it's to clobber the acc 19.23.58 # but when I tried gcc didn't liked 19.23.59 # it 19.24.06 Part Paul_The_Ner1 19.24.13 # and anyway I think gcc doesn't use MAC right ? 19.24.18 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-53-82-65-32-234.adsl.proxad.net) 19.24.26 # http://rafb.net/paste/results/coMzvL47.html 19.24.49 # gcc doesn't even know about it 19.25.33 # the idct_row and idct_col wich works are at line 470 and 590 19.25.53 # 407 instead of 470 19.26.20 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as6664.alshamil.net.ae) 19.28.20 # actually the file is set to use idct( ). you need to change some ifdefs to have it use the two others 19.29.59 Part pixelma 19.30.01 # as they are you can't mix the idct_row c and assembly version, some things must be changed, I can tell you 19.31.33 # idct_row and idct_col must be used both as asm or both as C right now. The C version uses some tricks to have less coefs and multiplications, but it's harder to use mac with that algorithm 19.32.29 # Code and comment doesn't seem to match... (e.g., "load P[1] P[3] P[5] P[7]" and following code) 19.32.42 # Lear: which line ? 19.32.51 # 430 19.34.16 # Lear: yes I should comment more, and this point was what gave me a lot of problem. in fact the dots for a row are ranged like that in the block : P[0] P[2] P[4] P[6] P[1] P[3] P[5] P[7] 19.34.34 # it took me some time to figure this out 19.35.01 # they could have explained that in the code. 19.35.15 # and the digits really are the array indexes? 19.36.29 # hum not sure for you question 19.36.35 # what's your question ? 19.36.39 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d02m-62-34-200-176.d4.club-internet.fr) 19.37.24 # Lear: if P is the array with the logical representation of the dots. 19.37.32 # E.g., the "1" in "P[1]". 19.37.56 # [P[0], P[2], P[4], P[6], P[1], P[3], P[5], P[7] ] is the array of the physicall representation 19.39.14 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.39.37 # Lear: look here http://www.quicklogic.com/images/Optimizing_Embedded_Systems_WP.pdf page 41 . this is the matrix multiplication that I do 19.41.19 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-68-95-246-24.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 19.42.43 # /dev/sdc2 19G 19G 0 100% /media/ipod-1 19.42.45 # :( 19.44.07 # Lear: you gave up ? 19.44.08 # :) 19.44.37 # Not really, but you do seem to clear the accumulators properly. 19.44.55 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.44.57 # And though I think the comment is confusing, the asm code appears to match the C code... 19.45.14 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-132-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.45.14 # I didn't knew mac add a fractional mode 19.45.46 # Lear: there is no C code matching this function 19.45.56 # Lear: wich one are you looking at ? 19.46.24 # idct_row. there's a C function in the #else block... 19.47.10 # Lear: yes it's supposed to do the same, at a *sqrt(2) difference 19.47.16 Join Angry [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-150-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.48.21 # Lear: it's by developping back the idct_row c code I realised the dots are not contigous 19.48.29 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.48.40 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 19.49.47 # mirak: Do you know whether the data the idct is working on is located in iram or dram? 19.50.37 # Lear: the function at line 204 is an atempt to copy in asm the C fuction 19.50.52 # If it's dram, there is an optimisation possibility in idct_row: If you reverse the order of calculations in the /* mat 1 - mat2*/ part, the results are in the same sequence as they are written to memory. So you can collect the results in 4 32bit registers and write them to memory with a single movem.l 19.50.59 # amiconn: that's dram, though I know how to put it to iram. 19.51.23 # amiconn: I did it and got a big boost. 19.51.48 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A663D.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.52.51 # amiconn: the problem is how this memory block is allocated. It's statically allocated inside the mpeg2_decoder_s struct at line 95 in mpeg2_internal.h 19.53.27 # hm.., in idct_col, the move.w indexes (when reading the block) looks suspicious... 19.53.40 Nick lex_ is now known as lex (i=lex@evot.us) 19.55.03 # Unless the matrixes are 8-entry blocks, so the "*16" is just a shorthand of "*2*8"... 19.55.25 # The idct block is 8x8 on shorts 19.55.42 # amiconn: in slice.c you can declare a int_16 DCTblock [64] in iram, then replace decoder->DCTblock with DCTblock 19.55.43 # So getting one row down means 16 bytes (8 shorts) 19.56.47 # I think the best thing would to have all mpeg2_decoder_s in iram but I don't think it would fit 19.57.03 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 19.57.09 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-132-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.59.10 # mirak: What was the problem with that code again? 19.59.11 # quantizer_prescale would be interesting in iram but it's 16k big 19.59.35 # amiconn: problem is that if I don't clear the accs it's all garbeled 19.59.38 # Btw, while I don't understand much about idct, I can see several optimisation possibilities there 19.59.48 # hum set 0 to them at the begining 20.00.05 # amiconn: go ahead 20.00.08 # And no emac asm in other parts? 20.00.18 # Lear: wich parts ? 20.00.38 # Parts of mpegplayer other than the file you pasted. 20.00.38 # Lear: oh in mpegplugin ? 20.01.04 # not that I modified, but I think the copy to screen is in asm, I will look at it 20.02.17 # E.g. I would load all 8 coefficients at once in th erow part 20.02.36 Join webguest78 [0] (i=ccd290a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.02.45 # mirak: The lcd_yuv_blit() uses asm, but no emac instructions 20.02.51 Quit webguest78 (Client Quit) 20.03.05 Join delorean90 [0] (i=ccd290a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.03.17 # amiconn: there is not enough registers 20.03.25 # In fact it could perhaps profit from emac, but even if we introduce that, we'd use movclr at the end 20.03.34 # mirak: There are enough registers 20.03.45 # amiconn: well I prefer keep some register to do the block in one asm function 20.03.46 Quit delorean90 (Client Quit) 20.04.15 # I am looking at the full idct() 20.04.34 # Loading 8 coefficients instead of 4 just means using 2 more registers 20.05.09 # On the CrossCompiler wiki page, it says that when using gcc 4.0.3 on coldfire targets, "sometimes crashes are observed". Anyone who knows anything about that? 20.05.18 # And I wonder what you 20.05.32 # I've used such builds a few days, and it seems fine to me... 20.05.33 # yes, but I need to save the second matrix in d4 d5 d6 d7 , and d3 is used for the loop 20.05.37 # 're using %a4 for. %[block] itself gets never modified 20.06.07 # I never said you'd need d registers. a registers work equally well for emac 20.06.21 # amiconn: yes, I can do a suba #128,%[block] 20.06.33 # where? 20.07.06 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD3B4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.07.07 # after doing the 8 rows loop 20.07.16 # Ah, hmm, in fact you do 20.07.24 # hum 20.07.29 # But then you can readjust without wasting a register 20.07.51 # Btw, you don't need to specify the i and a variants explicitly 20.08.07 # Just write sub.l #128,%[block] 20.08.22 # The assembler knows %[block] is an a register 20.08.26 Join Pyromancer_ [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 20.08.30 # ok I wasn't sure for that. seem the compile adjust itself 20.09.01 # I was thinking it maight be faster 20.09.31 # You just need to remember that some operations aren't possible on a registers (e.g. shifts), or work different (e.g. arithmetic operations don't set flags) 20.09.56 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034092210.nb.aliant.net) 20.10.04 # amiconn: yes, discovering that when coding is the hardest part. when you must drop your code 20.10.53 # Btw, the accumulator clearing in the middle of the full idct (between rows and columns) should definitely be superfluous 20.11.38 Quit Pyromancer_ (Client Quit) 20.12.09 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 20.12.23 Join Pyromancer_ [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 20.12.45 # amiconn: that was to test why the accs seems to not be cleared 20.13.07 # the move #0,acc0 should be superfluous also 20.13.49 # That's what I mean 20.14.03 # there is one weird thing, I can't inline idct() because gcc says the row and col labels are used twice. 20.14.23 # That means idct() is used in 2 places 20.14.42 # If you want to inline it, you need to stick to local labels 20.14.47 # yes, in idctcopy and idctadd 20.15.02 # amiconn: how do you do that ? 20.15.23 # amiconn: you aware of any reason to not use "-m5206e" instead of "-m5200" when compiling rockbox for coldfire targets? 20.15.48 # it generates slightly smaller/faster code, and works fine in my tests (h140). 20.15.50 # because 5200 is more generic ? 20.16.02 # ah ok 20.16.04 # (1) What's the exact difference? (2) I though we use -m5249 ... 20.16.21 # great. Lear : rivers are 5249 right ? 20.16.56 # the difference I'm aware of, is that with -m5206e, gcc actually uses the div instruction (early 5200 models didn't implement that, so gcc can't use it). 20.17.42 # interesting 20.17.45 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 20.17.48 # --target-help for gcc do list -m5249, but gcc doesn't recognize it. -m5206e works though. 20.18.35 # the cores are backward compatible ? 20.18.38 # Hmm, mine doesn't show -m5249 20.18.42 # mirak: Yes 20.19.02 # CFPRM.pdf says DIVS, DIVU, REMS and REMU are 5206e and up 20.19.13 # mine does, under 680X0 options. 20.19.33 # We shouldn't run into problems by using it. All irivers we support have 5249, the X5 has 5250 20.19.51 Quit Pyromancer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.19.56 # AH, indeed 20.20.12 # So I'll commit the change then. Just wanted to double-check it... 20.21.01 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-095-100.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.21.16 # Lear: Did you check whether it makes gcc also use MAC? 20.21.21 # (not EMAC) 20.21.39 # no mac use that I'm aware of. Didn't look much for it though... 20.21.42 # i'm almost 100% certain it won't 20.21.59 Nick Pyromancer_ is now known as Pyromancer (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 20.22.05 # Chapter 12 lists divide and MAC support beginning with 5206e 20.23.30 # woudln't it be faster to make gcc use mac d0,d1,acc0 ; moveclr acc0,d1 instead of mul d0,d1 ? 20.23.53 # only mac use in rockbox.elf is dsp stuff. 20.24.20 # mul is 4 cycles and mac is 1 20.24.45 # there's a stall between the mac and the moveclr, so the first one would take at least 3 cycles... 20.27.52 Quit Angry ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.28.06 # exactly three 20.28.19 # so it'd be just as slow as an ordinary mul 20.28.29 # as a matter of fact, it would be slower 20.29.05 # only use mac instructions when you need to do actual multiply-and-accumulate operations, or when you need a quick 64 bit mul 20.29.07 # My guess is that the mac/movclr sequence needs the same cycle count as the mul 20.30.18 # ..because it's very likely that the (e)mac-equipped coldfires actually use the (e)mac multiplier for performing mul as well, 20.30.30 # it does 20.30.36 # and yes, the cycle count matches 20.30.51 # but thanks to the mac/movclr being bigger than one mul instruction, it'll be slower 20.30.52 # and what happens internally is almost the same as the mac/movclr sequence 20.31.08 # Hello 'risc' ... 20.33.43 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.34.29 Quit Pyromancer ("Ex-Chat") 20.34.39 # amiconn: is there any way to load in less moves a column ? I also use a swap just to save two registers, otherwise I could word only on the low part 20.35.03 # work/word 20.35.15 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 20.35.54 # If you have enough registers, it would be faster to not swap and only use the low part. But afaics there is no way to speed up the load 20.36.09 # Does the full idct() work as-is? 20.36.16 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.36.32 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-095-100.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.36.40 # amiconn: it doesn't, but it should 20.37.17 # maybe I do bad loops or bad incrementations 20.37.44 # The individual _row and _col versions do work, even if both are enabled? 20.38.26 # amiconn: no 20.38.29 # I explain 20.38.41 Quit barrywardell ("CGI:IRC") 20.39.32 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@AC9E8FC0.ipt.aol.com) 20.40.32 # the C _row and C_col uses some tricks, like mutiply the theoric coefficient by sqrt(2). this is done because cos(4*pi/16)=sqrt(2). you then have multiplications by 1 wich is the same than not multiplying, therefore you save some multiplications 20.41.29 # so if you want the asm version to be like the the C version you need to use the commented coefs. 20.41.59 # amiconn: I do the changing 20.42.02 # so you can test 20.42.04 # so, should we switch from 5200, then? 20.42.39 # already did that... :) 20.42.41 # mirak: What purpose/advantage do the other, non-commented coefficients have, then? 20.44.26 # amiconn: well since mac.l is one cycle I didn't bothered doing just a move in the acc0 20.44.48 # amiconn: that was also for test purpose 20.45.14 # Yes, but if the coefficients don't match, the final result will also be different? 20.45.22 # Or do I miss something important here? 20.45.37 # i like the fact that no one noticed until now that gcc never does emits div... 20.45.45 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 20.46.11 # the coef constants Wx are the same than Wa etcetera exept some are *sqrt(2) and the others are not 20.46.38 # Why aren't bootloaders avaliable for download with CVS? The build machine builds them... 20.46.39 # preglow: that's a happy surprise indeed 20.46.59 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 20.47.59 # mirak: I understand that the coefficients are different; what I don't understand is how those different coefficients should produce the same final result... 20.49.16 # Has anyone ever used songdb.pl to build the tagcache database? 20.49.23 # amiconn: sorry, the coef are the same exept idct_row in C uses coef*sqrt(2) to save some mults. but this saving as no meaning with the MAC approach exept you could save 1 register and also replace P[0] mutliplications with a move P[0],acc0 20.49.59 # You already said this multiple times, but that doesn't answer my question 20.50.28 # amiconn: this is because matrix multiplication is linear 20.50.36 # If you have certain values, and multiply all coefficients with sqrt(2), the final result will also be multiplied by sqrt(2) 20.50.51 # But you want the result to be the same, how is that achieved? 20.51.24 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.cm-upc.chello.se) 20.51.31 # amiconn: because the idct_col also multiply by sqrt(2), and in the end it's like multiplying by 2 20.51.40 # ah 20.51.52 # And then you need to shift one bit more/less? 20.52.18 # amiconn: yes they do one more right shift. 20.52.31 Quit Caliban (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.52.44 # amiconn: but anyway for testing purpose and to ease things for now we should use the same coef than the C version uses. 20.52.53 # No one's used the perl script to build tagcache? 20.53.00 # Nah, I don't think so 20.53.12 # But the coefficients could be double-checked 20.53.24 # amiconn: what ? 20.53.35 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 20.53.48 # There might be a mistake/typo/whatever in the modified coefficients... 20.54.11 # amiconn: you mean mine or the original ones ? 20.54.18 # yours 20.54.38 # you can verify 20.54.49 Quit Landus ("Leaving") 20.54.49 # amiconn: I used octave/matlab a lot to simulate things 20.55.08 Join lodesi_ [0] (n=lds@d02m-62-34-200-176.d4.club-internet.fr) 20.55.17 # I think the coefs are right I double checked, but you can check also :) 20.57.19 # amiconn: there is also one thing. They add 2048 to the shifted d0 variable in idct_row and do the same in idct_col by adding 65536. that's maybe to correct some precision loss. 20.57.54 # you should see that add commented in the asm code. 20.58.20 # Iirc the dc component is handled differently 20.58.37 # I remember having seen that in the jpeg decoder 20.58.58 # ...even though I don't understand everything in it 20.59.36 # Oh, and when you add 65536, you will overflow mac.w for sure 21.00.25 # nice, nice, 3k shaved off rockbox.iriver 21.00.33 # which is still somewhat huge at 330k 21.01.41 # i am worried that the bootloader is getting bigger and it will hit the 64 KiB limit soon.. 21.02.17 # only 2k left 21.03.29 Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.05.31 # amiconn: yes I probably didn't noticed it. 21.05.36 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 21.05.43 Quit _Lucretia_ ("Leaving") 21.05.59 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 21.06.01 # amiconn: but that seems obvious 21.06.03 # :) 21.06.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.06.42 # Hmm, but it seems they do the multiplication in a completely different way 21.06.54 # I think I used it when I used a full register 21.07.06 # Do you use the emac in fractional mode? 21.07.12 # amiconn: I bakward developped the C algorithm 21.07.13 # Slasheri: i don't think slimming it down further should be impossible 21.07.14 Join rbalboa_ [0] (n=daniel@173.Red-81-32-89.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) 21.07.25 Join webguest71 [0] (i=549c2368@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.07.44 # amiconn: it's the same matrix multiplication than described in the pdf I gave a link 21.08.15 # amiconn: what's fractional mode ? I didn't see that in the manual 21.09.04 # BTW, has anyone noticed if iriver use the EMAC in their firmware? 21.09.04 Quit webguest71 (Client Quit) 21.10.24 # wouldn't have they if they used asm ? 21.11.29 Quit Arathis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.11.43 # I guess it depends if any asm code was written specifically for the Coldfire or not. 21.12.22 # I guess they do use it, at least in the motorola mpeg audio decoder 21.13.32 # MP3 decoder - it failed to play my MP2s... 21.15.27 # k 21.15.32 # * amiconn never tried that 21.19.45 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dyn-62-56-117-104.dslaccess.co.uk) 21.19.56 # Slasheri: Your scheduler changes do bad things to the 3G iPod. 21.20.41 # dan_a: hmm, what kind of things? 21.20.44 # I didn't notice any major improvement in MP3 playback, but the UI becomes horribly sluggish 21.21.03 # (this is with your version 2 patch against a clean CVS tree) 21.21.19 # weird, and you was playing a standard mp3 file ipod should normally handle? 21.21.28 # amiconn: the value to add is 32 instead of 65536. I do //"add.l #32,%d0 \n\t" 21.21.29 # I was 21.21.50 # dan_a: that was with the scheduler.patch (the newest)? 21.21.57 # Slasheri: The 3g ipods struggle even with MP3s. 21.22.03 # oh.. 21.22.24 # i would need to have an ipod :/ 21.22.27 # They have a PP5002 (broken cache), 4g and later ipods have PP502x 21.22.54 # Might moving some of the code to iram help? 21.23.14 # (I've not worked out the rules of when that does and doesn't help yet) 21.23.41 # Slasheri: The patch seems to work on archos (tried on recorder only so far), but it does one thing I don't like 21.24.05 # dan_a: It may help, but most codecs already use all the available IRAM - the Coldfire benefits heavily from it. 21.24.06 # amiconn: oh no ! I remember why I added 65536. it's because I want to add 1 in the upper part of the register 21.24.08 # It almost maxes out iram usage; only 28 bytes left with the patch... 21.24.28 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A663D.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.24.31 # That will definitely brek debug builds 21.24.57 # linuxstb: I thought that half the iram was kept for the core and half for the codecs? Or is that something I've got confused about? 21.25.09 # dan_a: It is. What code are you talking about? 21.25.38 # Slasheri: What does the asterisk at the left mean? 21.25.50 # I was talking about maybe moving parts of the scheduler code to iram 21.26.25 # amiconn: ah, hmm.. i am not really sure how to fix that.. or maybe we could put some data out of the struct 21.26.37 # amiconn: star indicates that the current process is running (not sleeping) 21.26.52 # Okay, seems to work on archos as well 21.27.03 # i have had in mind to separate also blocked processes but i think that might become too complex to do 21.27.07 # sounds nice :) 21.27.10 # I just started a tagcache update, and a second asterisk appeared 21.27.23 # hehe :) 21.27.49 # with iriver, those are flashing when there are many background threads running 21.27.56 # main always shows active. Is that correct? 21.28.08 # yep, because main shows also the debug menu 21.28.15 # so debug menu never sees it sleeping 21.28.16 # AH, of course 21.28.45 # I don't see any other thread showing activity... 21.29.13 # (other than main and tagcache) 21.29.32 # then it sounds correct, because all threads should sleep most of the time 21.30.07 # they probably just wait in a kernel queue loop and will sleep immediately again after woken up 21.30.08 # Backlight thread seems to work, backlight goes on & off correcty 21.30.28 # The bad thing is that I cannot see all threads 21.30.37 # anyone her know what BUTTON_ON is in the sym for Hxx0 ? 21.30.38 # That's not a problem introduced by your patch 21.30.41 # *here 21.30.42 # hmm 21.31.11 # F8 21.31.42 # Maybe we could use the list widget for the thread list? Or does the list widget not allow dynamic entries and programmatic redraw? 21.32.45 # hmm, list widget sounds nice if that's possible to do 21.32.49 # Slasheri: Do you have a remote? 21.32.57 # list would be nice for logf menu also 21.33.02 # (LCD remote that is) 21.33.04 # hmm, for iriver? yes 21.33.51 # The debug menu only works on main, correct? 21.33.58 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@client-82-12-30-125.brhm.adsl.tesco.net) 21.34.06 # yep, it's not displayed on remote at all 21.34.12 # pixelma: ? 21.34.14 # So you should be able to see the remote_scroll thread being active if there is a scroling line on the remote 21.34.15 # hmm.. 21.34.31 # dionoea: yes? 21.34.32 # in fact i think recent changes might have enabled the menu on remote as well 21.34.42 # but debug sub menus don't work 21.34.54 # The menu itself is of course displayed on the remote 21.35.02 # i will check that 21.35.05 # It uses the standard menu, i.e. list widget 21.35.19 # pixelma: i'll commit a new solitaire bugfix patch in a few seconds. Could you test the shortcuts ? (they seem fine now ... don't know if my code was just all bugged when i first wrote it or if someone added some bugs afterwards) 21.35.26 # But most of the sub-items only display on main 21.35.48 # dionoea: sure I will 21.36.12 # comited 21.39.06 # amiconn: yep, just tried it and sub items wont work 21.39.07 Quit alberink (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.39.13 # but menu itself is displayed 21.39.55 # I guess we should leave it that way, unless using one of the standard widgets does have advantages 21.40.05 # (like using th elist widget for thread debug) 21.40.49 # Slasheri: is the threads priority patch working better now ? :) 21.40.59 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 21.42.35 # Slasheri: Hmm, when browsing by year, the years aren't sorted... 21.43.12 # i wonder how my solitaire commit triggered 2 warnings in synth.c in the Gigabeat Sim 21.44.36 # dionoea: maybe it just got compiled on a build server with a gcc version which complains more.. 21.44.48 # sometime odd build errors pop up, and disappear again a while later... 21.45.53 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 21.45.59 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEEF24.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.48.07 # dionoea: the shortcuts work fine now :) 21.48.14 # nice :) 21.48.30 # solitaire is now bug free :') 21.50.06 # yay :-p 21.50.45 # amiconn: weird, they should be.. probably dir buffer ran out 21.50.49 Quit rbalboa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.50.58 # but need to go now, cu tomorrow :) 21.51.35 # dionoea: hmm, probably not if you tried it last time today 21.52.04 # i didn't :) 21.52.06 # amiconn: I don't know what to do, they work both separately but no together 21.52.11 # i only tried the first patch yesterday 22.02.24 Quit rconan ("Leaving") 22.03.08 # Putting add_to_list and remove_from_list in IRAM feels like it improves performance by a huge amount with Slasheri's patch. 22.05.22 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.06.00 # (on the 3g iPod, at least) 22.09.28 Join mirak_ [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-39-98.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.09.42 Join Angryman [0] (i=5438962f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.10.49 # amiconn: they work independently but not together. I can't determine why 22.12.17 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.13.15 # can someone how to compile a simple plug in and not all again? Try to get some more working on iRiver h10 22.13.25 # tell^^ 22.15.32 # Angryman: do you want something like this? "make apps/plugins/logo.rock" 22.15.47 # yes thats what i meant ^^ 22.15.52 # #thx 22.15.54 # np 22.17.34 Quit mirak (Connection timed out) 22.18.59 Join LayDwnAnD [0] (n=nothing@pool-71-110-201-184.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.19.14 # markun, dionoea: The build machine causing the warning is the most advanced native-gcc-wise: lillebror.haxx.se (gcc 4.1.2) 22.19.27 # hey has there been any improvement on the video playback for the ipod video ? 22.20.14 # Hmm, others have that too... 22.20.57 # markun: i get an error: "no rule to make target 'apps/plugins/...". stop 22.21.29 # Angryman: are you in you build dir? 22.21.35 # your 22.21.36 # yep 22.21.41 Join barrywardell [0] (i=892b7a6e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.21.43 # rockbox-devel 22.22.12 # no, you must make a build dir and run tools/configure in that dir 22.22.23 # ups 22.22.30 # ;-( <-- STUPID ME 22.22.35 # don't worry 22.25.19 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 22.26.02 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 22.27.38 # wow barry nice commit 22.27.48 # just seen it 22.29.14 # WOW! Scroll pad support? 22.29.16 # I have to try this! 22.29.22 # me too ;-) 22.29.25 # WHAT WHERE 22.29.29 # ^^ 22.29.35 # just got a CVS commit 22.29.37 # downloading 22.29.42 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-250-42-184.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 22.29.42 # well 22.29.46 # waiting for 20 GB build 22.29.54 # Well done, barrywardell - I think you've made a few people happy! 22.29.58 # :) 22.30.01 # it's still fairly basic, but works non the less 22.30.06 # Yipiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 22.30.08 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newby@ip68-7-14-7.sd.sd.cox.net) 22.30.31 # <--- Clapping with his hands... happy like a child^^^ 22.30.32 # dionoea: Do you think using the grayscale lib for solitaire on archos would be worth it? 22.30.41 # you could even simulate more buttons if needed i guess ... kind of like what needs to be done on the ipod 22.30.41 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 22.30.56 # amiconn: depends if it has an impact on battery life 22.31.11 # current graphics are already quite readable on archos IMO 22.31.18 # * dionoea fetches his recorder to try 22.31.22 # Yes they are 22.31.52 # can you use configfile.c in the core (with a mod, for saving encoder settings)? 22.32.31 # amiconn: is battery life the same when using the grayscale lib ? 22.32.39 # The core has its own incarnation of config file writing 22.33.01 # dionoea: No, it will go slightly down. More noticeable on Ondios than on recorders 22.33.14 # ok, then i guess that it'd be best to keep it as is 22.33.21 # * pixelma agrees 22.33.28 # Sorry to interrupt... Can I ask a question about the viability of different video codecs at different resolutions on different targets? 22.33.34 # The grayscale lib loads the cpu with 50% as long as the overlay is running (for fullscreen) 22.33.37 # amiconn: I've been looking...I don't see...except for the stuff in config.c 22.33.46 # Especially the coldfire CPU in the iRiver H320. 22.34.10 # of settings.c or wherever 22.34.11 # i still need to do the nice animation at the end of the game btw :) 22.34.30 # The jumping cards? 22.34.35 # yeah :) 22.34.42 # Shouldn't be too difficult 22.34.45 # What are the expected supported codecs? And what (of those codec) will play on an H320? 22.35.28 # theora, xvid, divx, etc, and at what bitrate? 22.35.56 # amiconn: well it's just some downwards constant acceleration, a jump which basically *=-1 the vertical speed and a constant horizontal speed 22.36.04 # so indeed it should be pretty easy 22.36.19 # Davide-NYC: We don't even manage to run mpeg-2 realtime... so forget about the mpeg-4 variants for now 22.36.27 # [the wife want a video player, but I will try to dissuade from iPod 5G] 22.36.56 # so is it reasonable to presume that real-time on the h320 at native res at decent framerate is not likely? 22.37.07 # using xvid as example 22.37.11 # ? 22.37.17 # Perhaps we'll manage, perhaps not 22.37.23 # It's really hard to say 22.37.31 # find some good coders 22.37.31 # Forget xvid 22.37.36 # haha, I'm trying to make a buying decision on a gift for the wife. 22.37.44 # It's more complex than mpeg-2 22.37.54 # xvid, divx etc are all mpeg-4 variants 22.37.57 # amiconn: if iriver could manage xvid, so could we 22.38.04 # I don't know about the complexity of theora 22.38.06 # someone really clever just needs to come along 22.38.14 # amiconn: it's comparable to mpeg4, more or less 22.38.15 # preglow: Yeah, xvid at 10fps, hooray! 22.38.28 # I'd rather want mpeg-2 at a decent framerate 22.38.39 # sure 22.38.46 # but it is doable 22.38.55 # what about the iPod 5G targets. they have dedicated video proc, right? 22.38.57 # cool, now we can go up on the H10 :D 22.39.04 # Davide-NYC: but anyway, it's impossible to say, we need more video coders for any of that to happen very soon 22.39.05 # yes :-D 22.39.09 # works great^^ 22.39.11 # Barry... you rock :-D 22.39.12 # Davide-NYC: yeah, which we can't use very easily at all 22.39.14 # Well, mirak does have the basic idct in coldfire asm, we just need to find the bugs 22.39.31 # yuv->rgb seems to have some room for optimisation as well, with emac 22.39.34 # barrywardell: are you close to fixing the screen bugs ? 22.39.37 # by "basic" up support, I suppose you mean that it's not like the original firmware where scrolling with your finger would scroll faster? 22.39.37 # need to adapt that to gp use...bit entries won't do it 22.39.46 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.40.01 # preglow: I understand, I just wanted to poll some heads in here before I start researching what to get the wife so that she can watch "her shows". 22.40.11 # And... how do you quit doom? 22.40.19 # you don;t 22.40.20 # TrueJournals: yes, there seems to be an area on the pad where it goes up and one where it goes down 22.40.27 # (jusit quits you 22.40.30 # TrueJournals: have you tried pressing power ? 22.40.32 # Nico_P: I have a fix for the 6/6GB screen bugs already. it's in the patch tracker 22.40.33 # yes 22.40.44 # Davide-NYC: does it really matter which codec we use if you have to reencode anyway? 22.40.49 # Davide-NYC: Targets with a smaller screen (pixel-wise) will get realtime video earlier... 22.40.50 # barrywardell: cool, i'll try it 22.41.06 # Nico_P: pressing power takes you to the menu... you scroll to Quit game, press play and it says a message and "press select to quit" I've tried everything, and nothing seems to work :-\ 22.41.06 Quit barrywardell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.41.06 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 22.41.07 # batch re-encoding is not a problem. 22.41.12 # preglow: is the UDA1380 able to provide more sample rates than the coldfire or should it not be in master mode and use the cf audio clock instead? 22.41.16 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDEEC.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.41.35 # jhMikeS: Afaik the UDA can't be clock master in the iriver 22.41.40 # Barry looks for values greater or lower than a certain one and defines with this up or down.... so it goes up from one value and down 22.41.53 # But Linus probably knows more 22.41.58 # <-- as far as a stupid man like me understood it ^^ 22.42.08 # amiconn: The driver file sets it that way when recording is enabled 22.42.20 Join barrywardell_ [0] (i=892b7a6e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.42.32 # Ironically linus says they should always be in slave mode?!?! 22.43.06 # Angryman: that's pretty much it 22.43.25 # * amiconn already has too many loose ends in his source tree :( 22.43.30 # TrueJournals: that's exactly what I mean by basic 22.43.31 # barrywardell_: is the battery level read correctly ? 22.43.44 # jhMikeS: can I get your quck opinion on bitmaps vs char in the recording statusbar for displaying samplerate? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5882.msg48712#msg48712 22.43.48 # * linuxstb has many loose ends in many source trees... 22.43.55 # Nico_P: Yes, I think so. on 20GB at least 22.43.57 # preglow: Is it needed to detect the SPDIF sample rate if were going to set it explicitly anyway? 22.44.01 # Maybe I should stop here, dump all changes, then restart later 22.44.08 # it takes a few seconds before it's read though 22.44.27 # ok 22.44.35 # jhMikeS: You can't set s/pdif sample rate, you have to use the measured one 22.44.41 # but anyway you can define it via system (5g 820mAh or so) 22.44.45 # or not? 22.44.55 # You can only record what's delivered, not magically resample... 22.45.15 # Angryman: i meant the current power level of the battery, not its capacity 22.45.30 # but for that you need the capacity ^^ 22.45.32 # so no one knows how to quit Doom? 22.45.37 # need to know 22.45.45 # TrueJournals: Not on the H10.... 22.45.54 # the capacity is only needed to know how time you have left 22.45.59 # the capacity of the 20 GB H10 battery is 1550 mAh... 22.46.06 # quit doom<--- Battery out ^^ 22.46.11 # TrueJournals: It's probably just a missing key mapping - so someone will need to fix the source. 22.46.22 # lol 22.46.25 Quit LayDwnAnD (Connection timed out) 22.46.29 # linuxstb: isn't what i just said above true for all targets ? 22.46.31 # Angryman: I have a 20 GB :-p 22.46.48 # what's the capacity for the 5 GB ? 22.46.49 # ok^^ so i dunno 22.47.03 Quit Angryman ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.47.10 # TrueJournals: it's probably a bug in the button settings 22.47.14 # Nico_P: You've said lots of things... 22.47.27 # barrywardell_: Guess I'll just have to reset :-p 22.47.40 Join aegray_ [0] (n=aegray@74.135.163.80) 22.47.50 Join Angry [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-150-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.47.53 # i was referring to what i said just before asking : "the capacity is only needed to know how time you have left" 22.47.54 # Nico_P: 820mAh 22.48.01 # Nico_P: Yes, that's true. 22.48.05 # lol... tjere 22.48.16 # *there's one place on the scroll pad where it reads both up and down :-p 22.48.20 # barrywardell_: thanks 22.48.48 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-144-121.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.49.00 Mode "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 22.49.06 # linuxstb: ok, what you said ("Not on the H10....") made me think maybe it wasn't the same for all targets 22.49.13 Topic "http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 22.50.54 # amiconn: ok I don't understand...it's set to use the audioclk/4 (44100) then what it really is has to be measured since it won't be that? 22.51.37 # The UDA isn't part of the recording data path when recording from s/pdif 22.52.17 # It's only used for monitoring - and it's impossible to sync the coldfire audioclk output to the s/pdif input signal 22.53.11 # So the UDA will play a ghard-resampled version (no interpolation at all) of the input signal 22.53.22 Quit barrywardell_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.53.29 # it would be neat if some H10 guys could have a look at adjusting the manual for the H10 22.53.32 # Still better than no monitoring at all 22.53.49 # amiconn: I manage to make work the two idct in conjonction but there are some glitches 22.55.12 # here's the comment for SPDIF setup: /* SCLK2 = Audioclk/4 (can't use EBUin clock), TXSRC = EBU1rcv, 64 bclk/wclk */ 22.55.12 Quit solarflare (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.55.25 # Exactly. 22.55.26 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 22.55.48 # So where's the clock coming from? 22.56.02 # Bagder... i will have a look at it 22.56.04 # The UDA clock is coming from the coldfire, as the comment says 22.56.09 # yes 22.56.16 # But that doesn't have to do with the recording sample rate 22.56.24 # at least for the parts i can contribute ^^ 22.56.31 # Angry: great! tucoz and bluebrother are two of the masterminds behind it 22.56.33 # w00t ! jumping cards in solitaire 22.56.39 # The s/pdif input (EBUin in motorola language) is part of the coldfire itself 22.57.19 # Angry: it should mostly be a matter of describing H10-specific things as the generic things are mostly covered already 22.57.37 # Isn't the UDA clock from the codec in mm? 22.57.48 # maybe you could help me once with compiling a plug in... cant get it out of cygwin antd it seems that there have just to be some lcd size settings adjusted and with my minor programming skills i could solve such issues 22.57.49 # ??? 22.58.19 Quit Rudy4Pez (Connection timed out) 22.58.23 # where can i find it... in ../ttols/configure ... build manual ??? 22.58.28 # Again: the UDA has _nothing_ to do with the recording when recording from s/pdif 22.58.33 # so the SCLKII follow IIS1 22.58.39 # recv 22.58.47 # Angry: correct 22.58.53 # ok 22.58.59 # jhMikeS: Not in s/pdif mode (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) 22.59.16 # SCLK2 is free-running, derived from audioclk 22.59.32 # amiconn: don't get do flustered! :) 22.59.34 # TXSRC is passed through from EBU1rcv 22.59.59 # That's the cause of the harsh resampling if the input signal isn't 44.1kHz 23.00.01 # Hooray being able to turn volume up! 23.00.44 # Angry, want to help out with the manual? 23.01.23 # section 17 some more? 23.01.34 # Yes 23.01.46 # nice :) 23.01.59 # * jhMikeS is gonna get a section 8 :) 23.02.23 Part ep0ch_ ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 23.02.29 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006071912]") 23.03.16 Quit EV|Server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.03.17 Join Lune [0] (i=ce3fe6b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.04.31 # can anyone tell me how to compile brickmania.c to brickmania.rock (saw it now also in the manual^^) and it isnt in the rockbox 5GB build... Needs just some fixes in the LCD-SIZE SETTINGS TO GET IT WORKING 23.04.58 # Angry: edit SOURCES 23.05.00 # in that dir 23.05.19 # or possibly edit the source 23.05.48 Quit Kohlriba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.06.08 # its 128 pixels width isn't it? 23.06.10 # wide 23.06.15 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 23.06.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.06.50 # 128x128 5gb 23.07.11 # damn. Something is different for on-boot loading wps between the sim and my device. 23.07.15 # Angry: so see line 41 in apps/plugins/SOURCES 23.07.21 # ah found the source file 23.08.04 # and its already commented that it needs to be fixed... right place to start ^^ Thx Bagder 23.08.37 # the comment is of course about the ifp7xx, but it has the same LCD width 23.09.13 # #if LCD_WIDTH != 128 23.09.13 # brickmania.c 23.09.34 # ^^ 23.09.41 # ? 23.09.53 # is it ok to ask here if anyone could please fix page-up/down (on+down/up) functionality for V1 Recorder ? 23.12.28 # Angry: Someone needs to create smaller colour bitmaps for Brickmania to work on a 128x128 LCD. 23.12.53 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.14.42 # bluebrother: how shall and can i make suggestions for changes in the manual?? 23.15.16 # Angry, if you can build the manual yourself you could simply generate patches and submit them to the tracker. 23.15.25 Join sharpe [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc0l.cable.mindspring.com) 23.15.56 # if not, you can still collect your suggestions (sorted by themes if possible) and submit that to the tracker. 23.15.56 # never generated a patch before can a tutorial found somewhere on rockbox.org 23.16.01 # ? 23.16.01 Join EV|Toshiba [0] (n=Testing@pool-72-64-146-8.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 23.16.02 # Bagder: Do you know why the plugin bitmaps (native and mono, remote & main) are tried to build 3 times? 23.16.07 # billytwowilly ? 23.16.11 # do you have a cvs tree checked out? 23.16.16 # amiconn: nope 23.16.17 # yes 23.16.35 # then it's simply a "cvs diff -u " 23.16.37 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.17.06 # for diffing on the complete manual simply use "manual" as filename (assuming your toplevel folder has the manual folder in it) 23.17.07 # This is ugly. It slows down cygwin even more... (other build environments too of course) 23.17.36 # oh, forgot: cvs diff -u prints it output to stdout, so just redirect it into a file 23.17.52 # cvs diff -u manual > mychangestothemanual.patch 23.18.00 # uff.. now i gotta make a copy and paste ^^ 23.18.17 # heheh ;-) 23.18.23 # Hmm... billy had me install some Kubuntu packages yesterday, and I cant get the machine to connect to the internet.. 23.18.29 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 23.18.34 # also I'd recommend you read the LatexGuidelines and ManualTodo wiki pages. 23.18.43 # will do 23.19.01 # Does rockboy play gameboy and gameboy color roms? 23.19.09 # we have quite a bunch of macros for making working on the manual smoother, but you need to know them ;-) 23.19.56 # TrueJournals: Yes. 23.20.16 # that's what I though :-p 23.20.17 # i already saw them 23.20.49 # \begin{enumerate} etc 23.20.49 # TrueJournals: both, afaik 23.20.54 # TrueJournals: both the colour code has been ripped and 23.20.57 # ripped _out_ 23.21.16 # ah 23.21.26 # Angry, I assume you already know LaTeX? 23.21.37 # Afaik the colour code was reactivated 23.21.39 # preglow: I thought it was put back in. 23.21.53 # lol 23.22.05 # linuxstb: in which case i'm mistaken 23.22.15 # yay tinnitus... 23.22.31 # no... but i thought thats what you meant with makros 23.23.13 # partly. LaTeX is (simplified) a bunch of macros for TeX. enumerate for example is part of LaTeX, nothing we added. 23.23.26 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 23.23.48 # is there a editor available 23.23.51 # an 23.23.58 # as a quick start I can recommend the l2short.pdf introduction (pretty easy to find with google, but it should be linked on the wiki) 23.24.04 # ok 23.24.19 # The IEC958 clock is the SPDIF clock? 23.24.26 # just use a text editor of your choice. Syntax highlighting helps. 23.24.34 # I mostly use kate 23.24.44 # oh... no rockboy on H10? 23.25.02 Join Febs [0] (n=shortcho@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 23.25.06 # TrueJournals: make it 23.25.25 # lol 23.25.32 # if I knew anything about programming... 23.25.59 # Bagder: any idea what would need to be done? 23.26.06 # preglow: Do you know what happens in the mac instruction with parallel load when the destination register of the load is equal to one of the operand registers? 23.26.08 # apart from that you should have a look that your text editor saves file in unix format (in case you're working on windows) and keeps trailing spaces. 23.26.36 # TrueJournals: The display code in Rockboy doesn't work for colour LCDs smaller than a real Gameboy's LCD - so that includes the H10, ipod Nano and iaudio X5. 23.26.42 # utf-8 isnt working?? 23.27.04 # linuxstb: so somebody would need to figure out how to code it so that it scales down the game? 23.27.23 # TrueJournals: Yes. Scaling already happens for greyscale LCDs, but it's not in the colour display code. 23.27.24 # TrueJournals: Yes. It's already there for some grayscale targets 23.27.26 # * jhMikeS is just trying to get some help here cause he can't experiment on an H120 himself :) 23.28.09 # Angry, the latex sources are still latin1. 23.28.52 # but on most files this won't make a difference, there are only 1 or 2 using extended characters. 23.29.09 # amiconn: i think it works as you think it would 23.29.26 # I thnink i will download the TexnicCenter Tool linked on the wiki... looks like this is what i need^^ 23.29.36 # amiconn: the values in the multiplier arguments are latched into the multiplier circuit at the start of the first cycle, so it probably works out just fine 23.29.36 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.169.26) 23.29.42 Part Paul_The_Nerd 23.29.44 # amiconn: as a matter of fact, i think i've done this several times 23.29.50 # That's what I think... 23.30.11 # * amiconn is looking for ways to optimise the idct thing 23.30.53 # amiconn: yeah, i do that all the time, it works just fine 23.31.08 # * jhMikeS is looking for ways of setting sample rates for recording sources on SPDIF 23.31.20 Part Angry 23.31.43 # BLAARRRGGH 23.31.46 # http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/04/sandisk-busted-at-ifa-forced-to-take-down-display-daps/ 23.31.58 # i just deleted my 64 bit coldfire lpc routine :/// 23.32.06 # descriptive URL even 23.35.44 Join telliott_ [0] (n=telliott@68-179-149-245.bsr-c3-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net) 23.37.12 # jhMikeS: You cannot set the sample rate for s/pdif 23.37.37 # The source is digital, and so its clock is fixed 23.37.37 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa15.10.tellas.gr) 23.37.48 # You have to measure and adapt 23.38.10 # Is there a known problem with recent daily builds for Archos V1? 23.38.31 # The measuring is in fact only necessary n order to write the correct value to the wav header 23.38.37 # I'm having strange button issues. 23.39.23 Join jborn__ [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-25-208.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 23.39.29 # amcionn: But the codecs don't even adapt to it...they'll all think 44100 anyway 23.39.40 # then they need to adapt 23.39.43 # yes 23.39.44 Quit jborn__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.39.47 # working on it. 23.39.57 # and if an exact sample rate match can't be found, god knows what to do 23.40.00 # probably resample 23.40.03 # What is the IEC958 clock? 23.40.06 # the spdif clock 23.40.12 # iec958 == spdif 23.40.22 # or aes/ebu 23.40.41 Quit Lune ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.40.46 # exactly...and that can follow audioclk/(3,4,6,8,12,16), or sclk(1-4) 23.40.49 # aes/ebu == professional mode, spdif == consumer mode 23.40.58 # Yes, for output 23.41.02 # ok 23.41.12 Join Lune [0] (i=ce3fe6b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.41.25 # The input clock is following the input signal of course, and can be measured, but not regenerated for reuse 23.42.20 # resampling in the context is a biotch because codecs (most importantly mp3) expect a certain number of samples per chunk 23.42.33 # why does that make it a bitch? 23.42.49 Quit Arathis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.43.37 # you have to wait for enough raw pcm to be able to downsample exactly to the # of samples it expects...hope it doesn't cause buffer problems 23.43.53 # Forget resampling, imho 23.43.57 Part TrueJournals 23.44.06 # Supporting the standard sample rates should be enough 23.44.15 # ok...so SPDIF just follows the xmitter 23.44.17 # well, at least for now 23.44.20 # Non-standard rates aren't supported by iec958 either 23.44.29 # so what to do if the sample rate doesn't match up? 23.44.33 # (but they work) 23.44.41 # preglow: chipmunks I guess 23.44.45 # Where the **** is billytwowilly 23.45.03 # * amiconn has a very useful tool for testing s/pdif in 23.45.13 Quit gromit` ("Coyote finally caught me") 23.45.18 # The archos recorder can be used as an adjustable s/pdif source 23.45.50 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F277F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.45.53 # It can generate everything from 8kHz to 96kHz sample rate (even though it's only specced up to 48kHz) 23.47.19 # I would support say 32000 by downsampling 44100 or 16000 by downsampling 22050....never UP if possible 23.47.46 # 32000 is a standard rate 23.48.44 # But not creatable by the CF or TLV320 on x5. I don't know if the UDA can be set for those 23.48.52 # Nope. 23.48.59 # The UDA can only do 44.1 for recording 23.49.11 Join jborn__ [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-25-208.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 23.49.12 # But s/pdif can deliver any standard rate 23.49.33 # amiconn: it can do 11025 and 22050 as well, afaik 23.49.39 # Not for recording 23.49.43 # Can't UDA use slave mode for record? Linus thought it should. Which allows 11,22,and 44 23.49.56 Nick jborn__ is now known as JoeBorn (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-25-208.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 23.49.58 # i think it can 23.50.16 # Could use those funky 3,6,12 clock devides too ? :) 23.51.00 # Everthing is dsp.c works against 44100 though...not good if I want to support other stuff. 23.51.48 # deed 23.51.59 # should be pretty quick to fix 23.52.05 # preglow: would FIR decimators work well for this app? or too slow? Where's a good design app for that? 23.52.24 # depends how good you want them 23.52.32 # i'd rather use an iir decimator 23.52.38 # sharper slope at a lower cost 23.52.52 # I have a plugin which works in the simulator, but freezes not on the player 23.52.56 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 23.52.58 # how can I debug it? 23.53.23 # Interesting... 23.53.33 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 23.53.52 # oh.. I mean it freezes on the player 23.53.53 # With Lear's change, gcc seems to use a form of div CFPRM doesn't mention... 23.53.58 # I thought the FIR was preferred for stability (no feedback), less math. I have to read some more about it. 23.54.13 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A663D.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.55.06 # It seems the coldfire allows a 3-register form of div 23.56.58 # amiconn: ?? you mean quot/rem? 23.57.15 # I love microsoft and their shortcomings. 23.57.16 # http://search.msdn.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?siteId=0&tab=0&query=BAD_POOL_HEADER 23.57.20 # Did you mean bad_pool_heater? 23.57.27 # Yeah, seems like gnu asm writes the instruction slightly different than motorola 23.57.36 # I need to get to NYC to visit Reace. 23.58.30 Part telliott_