--- Log for 07.09.106  Server: kornbluth.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.07 #       <linuxstb> An issue with a specific plugin, or something else?
00.00.36 #       <Bagder> a plugin
00.00.51 #       <deeo> why, is there a patent on jewel games
00.00.53 #       <preglow> haha
00.01.14 #       * preglow loves legal threats
00.01.17 #       * linuxstb wonders who patented dice
00.01.21 #       <Bagder> deeo: if you ask them, sure
00.01.38 #       <deeo> wow, then MysticBread is in trouble...
00.01.49 #       <deeo> ol wonderbread is probably far into that lawsuit, though.
00.01.52 #       * dionoea wonders if minesweeper tiles are patented
00.02.14 #       <deeo> Solitaire Corp. USA
00.02.41 #       <dionoea> solitaire graphics aren't copied from anywhere ... and the game is *old*, older than any PC :)
00.03.21 #       <markun> deeo: the game is not patented, but they though we used their graphics and of course they are the copyright holders of that
00.03.57 #       <Bagder> they claimed it was "100% identical"
00.04.09 #       <Bagder> we evildoers at "rockbox.com"
00.04.25 #       <markun> :)
00.04.32 #       <markun> They should luck us all up
00.04.37 #       <markun> lock even
00.04.56 #       <dionoea> if it's minesweeper ... they are 100% identical (except the scaled versions)
00.05.01 #       * tucoz is curious
00.05.06 #       * markun too
00.05.07 #       * dionoea prepares to hide
00.05.17 #       <bluebrother> rockbox.com? "This page is parked free"
00.05.26 #       * bluebrother gets curious too
00.05.55 #       <tucoz> someone said A, and now we are waiting eagerly for B
00.06.14 #       <Bagder> it'll come, don't you worry
00.06.18 #       <tucoz> :)
00.06.41 #       * linuxstb worries if it's one of his plugins...
00.07.04 #       <dionoea> brickmania ? :)
00.07.36 #       <markun> "please stop using our patented gapless playback algorithm"
00.07.43 #       <tucoz> tetris perhaps. they have threatend people before
00.07.52 #       <dionoea> is that patented ?
00.07.57 #       <dionoea> (tetris)
00.08.06 #       <tucoz> i think so
00.08.14 #       <dionoea> weird ...
00.09.03 #       * linuxstb thinks we should stop giving any lawyers reading this channel ideas...
00.09.27 #       <tucoz> hehe
00.09.44 #       <bluebrother> hmm, what about Febs? Wasn't he a lawyer?
00.09.46 #       <tucoz> Tetris.com, official site maintained by The Tetris Company (from wikipedia)
00.09.50 #       * dan_a runs out to patent the cube plugin
00.10.10 #       <dionoea> dan_a: :)
00.10.16 #       <tucoz> i want to work there. cool to be an employee at The Tetris Company
00.10.27 #       <amiconn> Hrmph!
00.10.28 #       <tucoz> wonder what they do
00.10.35 #       * bluebrother thinks of patenting the reuse of tar for theme files
00.10.39 #       <dionoea> they try to beat high scores
00.10.49 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: Send legal threats all day...
00.10.49 #       <amiconn> memset16 is declared void*, not void
00.10.59 #       <Bagder> PP things
00.11.01 #       <tucoz> linuxstb: probably
00.11.16 #       * Bagder sends out a secret mail to secret people
00.11.46 #       * dionoea hopes that secret mail can be read in the secret archives
00.12.14 #       <dan_a> dionoea: And is secret cached in secret Google?
00.12.27 #       <dionoea> might be :)
00.12.33 #       <linuxstb> That's secret.
00.12.43 #       <dionoea> we're not authorized to say
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00.14.26 #       <XavierGr> So are we "normal humans" allowed to know what the legal threat is about? Which specific part of Rockbox?
00.14.39 #       <Bagder> this secret mail was not about that
00.14.44 #       <XavierGr> ah okay
00.15.27 #       <XavierGr> But I am weird who is legal threating Rockbox once again.....
00.15.31 #       <XavierGr> (and for what)
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00.18.19 #       <Arathis> having problems with encoding files from avi to m2v.
00.18.34 #       <Arathis> anybody out there with experience?
00.19.23 #       <preglow> ooooh
00.19.51 #       <amiconn> linuxstb?
00.20.09 #       <Arathis> I'm running Ubuntu Dapper. The problem exists with both VLC and mencoder. it seems codecs missing, but I only can find libavcodec-dev in my repositories and ffmpeg is install already :(
00.20.20 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: ?
00.20.37 #       <amiconn> [23:37:47] <amiconn> linuxstb: Wanna try sudoku with more saturated colours? Imho it does look better than the first version, at least on H300
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00.20.52 #       <linuxstb> I replied to that (I hope)...  I liked it.
00.21.13 #       <linuxstb> Sorry, I didn't reply...  Yes, I'll try a new version.
00.22.28 #       <XavierGr> linuxstb: about sudoku, have you ever tried to start the solver when the board is completely or nearly empty?
00.22.41 #       <linuxstb> Arathis: What format is your source AVI file?
00.22.56 #       <linuxstb> Can you play the file normally in either vlc or mplayer?
00.23.30 #       <XavierGr> last time I did that (1 month ago) my H300 crashed with the stack overflow message
00.24.01 #       <XavierGr> is there a recursive function in the solver?
00.24.06 #       <linuxstb> I remember that bug being reported a long time ago, but thought it was fixed.
00.24.08 #       <Arathis> linuxstb: ISO MPEG-4 (ffmpeg). recorded with mencoder script from my tv card and edited with avidemux but without any codec changes
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00.24.56 #       <linuxstb> Arathis: Can mplayer and vlc play it OK?
00.24.56 #       <dionoea> Arathis: wrong number of fps for mpeg2 i guess
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00.25.45 #       <Arathis> linuxstb: yes they can
00.26.14 #       <dionoea> Arathis: try adding fps=25 in VLC's transcode block
00.26.56 #       <Arathis> errors are:
00.26.58 #       <Arathis> VLC media player 0.8.4 Janus
00.26.58 #       <Arathis> [00000319] ffmpeg encoder error: cannot open encoder
00.26.58 #       <Arathis> [00000272] stream_out_transcode private error: cannot find encoder
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00.26.58 #       <Arathis> [00000336] access_output_udp private error: failed to open a connection (udp)
00.27.24 #       <linuxstb> I've never used vlc to encode.  What does mencoder say?
00.27.43 #       <dionoea> Arathis: if you add -vvv to command line you'll most likely see something about a wrong number of frames per second
00.27.50 #       <dionoea> that's why you need to change it
00.28.06 #       <Arathis> linuxstb: the whole output?
00.28.31 #       <linuxstb> You could pastebin the whole output.  Or is there anything obvious?
00.29.06 #       <dionoea> Arathis: did you read what i wrote about fps ? (or should i stop trying ? :p )
00.29.09 #       <linuxstb> Also, as dionoea has been saying what's the fps of your AVI file?  mplayer should state it when it plays the file.
00.30.16 #       <linuxstb> But ffmpeg supports encoding non-standard framerates in MPEG-2 files, so that may not be the problem unless it's a very strange framerate.
00.30.16 #       <Arathis> 29 fps
00.30.27 #       <dionoea> 29 or 29.97 ?
00.30.28 #       <linuxstb> That's a very strange framerate...
00.30.40 #       <Arathis> although I thought my recording script had 25. maybe avidemux made it 29
00.30.55 #       <amiconn> preglow: Hmm, it says memset16 is BUGGY with your version (Offset=1, Length=32). Going to analyse the whole line...
00.31.32 #       <Arathis> http://www.copypot.com/648
00.32.01 #       <dionoea> 29.97 is valid for mpeg2
00.32.24 #       <Arathis> 29.97 fps. nautilus info isn't that accurate ..
00.32.52 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: I'm undecided about colours in Sudoku.  I think I like them....
00.33.20 #       <dionoea> Arathis: anyways, try forcing the frame rate (in VLC you just add ,fps=25 in transcode) and it should work
00.33.26 #       <dionoea> good night
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00.34.25 #       <linuxstb> Arathis: Yes, framerate is your problem - "[mpeg2video @ 0x86b9608]MPEG1/2 does not support 2997/100 fps"
00.34.52 #       <Arathis> linuxstb: how can I adjust this in mencoder?
00.35.03 #       <linuxstb> It seems like your encoder isn't storing the framerate accurately - it should be 30000/1001 for NTSC - 29.97002997....
00.36.06 #       <preglow> linuxstb: does mpegplayer have good frame limiting now?
00.36.11 #       <linuxstb> Arathis: I'm not sure of the best way - you don't want to resample the video frames, just change the headers to correctly say 29.97.
00.36.27 #       <linuxstb> preglow: I think it works OK.
00.36.35 #       <preglow> linuxstb: what about frame skipping?
00.37.15 #       <linuxstb> That works, but could be improved.  It doesn't skip decoding of the frame, just the display, and can get stuck never displaying frames if the decoding is too slow.
00.38.19 #       <preglow> you can't skip decoding the frame
00.38.33 #       <preglow> it'll break the motion estimation
00.38.43 #       <preglow> you can only skip whole i-frame p-frame sequences
00.38.53 #       <linuxstb> Arathis: You could just try -ofps 30000/1001
00.39.10 #       <amiconn> preglow: Iiuc it should be possible to skip b frames
00.39.47 #       <amiconn> ...and as soon as you have to skip all b frames between 2 p frames, you could start skipping p frames as well
00.39.49 #       <linuxstb> But skipping entire GOPs is probably the best approach if it gets a long way behind.
00.40.08 #       <Arathis> dionoea: vlc works now btw. thanks a lot
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00.41.09 #       <preglow> amiconn: i actually don't really remember how b frames work
00.41.14 #       <preglow> isn't it some kind of bidirection prediction?
00.41.17 #       <preglow> bidirectional
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00.41.24 #       <amiconn> Yes
00.42.27 #       <amiconn> B frames are 'bothway interpolated' frames, based on the previous and next p or i frame
00.43.19 #       <preglow> how does iriver/cowon handle frame skipping?
00.43.22 #       <amiconn> The importan point is that they're always based on the prev+next p or i frame, not on other b frames
00.43.54 #       <amiconn> No idea... I never used the of video features
00.44.29 #       <Arathis> linuxstb: 30000/1001 works. and just 25 works too :)
00.44.29 #       <amiconn> I think they don't skip at all - the conversion tool probably makes sure the file can be decoded without frame skipping
00.44.50 #       <Arathis> thanks again both of you linuxstb and dionoea for your help
00.45.03 #       <linuxstb> Arathis: If I was you I would stick with 30000/1001 - you don't want to change the framerate if you can avoid it.
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00.45.37 #       <Arathis> linuxstb: than what exactly does 30000/1001 change/do?
00.45.50 #       <LittleWookie> can anyone help me
00.46.21 #       <LittleWookie> how can i change between rockbox and the ipod-firmware
00.46.32 #       <LittleWookie> i can't find it
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00.46.40 #       <markun> LittleWookie: did you find the FAQ?
00.47.13 #       <LittleWookie> i read in the forum and there it said i should read the manual
00.47.21 #       <LittleWookie> but good idea i look
00.47.23 #       <linuxstb> Arathis: That will hopefully just correct the fps in the header, but not actually change the content - your header says 29.97fps, but MPEG-2 requires the NTSC standard 30000/1001 (29.97002997...)
00.47.43 #       <Arathis> btw: is RVF out of date and mpeg2 up to date?
00.47.47 #       <markun> LittleWookie: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
00.48.11 #       <LittleWookie> much much thanks
00.48.58 #       <linuxstb> Arathis: RVF is Rockbox's own format for mono LCDs.  It will probably be ported to the newer Rockbox devices with greyscale LCDs.
00.49.53 #       <Arathis> linuxstb: I see. so no color RVF, but mpeg2, right?
00.50.34 #       <linuxstb> RVF is uncompressed, so it would get silly on the larger colour LCDs.
00.50.45 #       <Arathis> k
00.50.59 #       <linuxstb> But for small, mono or greyscale LCDs, I think it's a good choice.
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00.52.50 #       <preglow> does clock switching work on h10 now?
00.53.33 #       <amiconn> preglow: I found the problem: your memset16() doesn't handle len==0 when the destination address isn't 32bit aligned
00.53.57 #       <amiconn> It sets one word where it should set none
00.53.59 #       <preglow> amiconn: then hooray! commit! :)
00.54.23 #       <amiconn> I don't have a fix yet... need to understand the instruction flow first
00.55.00 #       <preglow> i'll take a look
00.55.18 #       <amiconn> Parameters are passed in r0 thru r3 on arm?
00.55.20 #       <preglow> 32 bit aligned, btw? it only checks for 16 bit alignment
00.55.23 #       <preglow> amiconn: yes
00.55.53 #       <amiconn> It doesn't need to check for 16bit alignment, that's guaranteed for short*
00.56.34 #       <amiconn> But both memset() and memset() need to align first for using 32bit writes in the main loop
00.56.51 #       <preglow> i still need to check if it's 16 bit aligned
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00.56.55 #       * linuxstb hopes earHertz returns to publish his ARM memcpy
00.56.55 #       <preglow> since i want to burst 32 bit words
00.56.56 #       <amiconn> memset16() aligns unconditionally, without checking 'len' first
00.57.11 #       <amiconn> Yes
00.57.17 #       <amiconn> But that's 32bit alignment
00.57.38 #       <preglow> i guess so
00.57.58 #       <preglow> but yeah
00.58.08 #       <preglow> i see that i write a halfword no matter what if i'm not aligned
00.58.10 #       <amiconn> And you directly  tst     r0, #2  without checking r2 first
00.58.26 #       <amiconn> In the memset case, you do
00.58.39 #       <amiconn> (and use a weird placement of the alignment code)
00.58.48 #       <preglow> that's how the linux code was
00.58.51 #       <preglow> i just kept it as it was
00.59.05 #       <preglow> i also think it's the placement that gives the fewest branch instructions
00.59.17 #       <amiconn> No, not overall
01.00.03 #       <amiconn> It makes one branch not taken if dst is already aligned, at the price of doing one additional branch when it's unaligned
01.00.24 #       <preglow> then feel free to fix, heh
01.00.32 #       <preglow> i don't really care how it looks
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01.01.54 #       <Arathis> linuxstb, dionoea: i definitly will use mencoder for encoding videos for rockbox. I encoded a 118mb avi: vlc --> 20mb, mencoder --> 10mb :)
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01.02.13 #       <Arathis> and now I'll test all encoded videos on my player
01.03.09 #       * amiconn wonders why the test plugin doesn't stop at the point of error and wait for a button press as intended :/
01.03.53 #       <preglow> yes, that did annoy me :)
01.04.03 #       <amiconn> It works on archos and iriver
01.04.59 #       <preglow> never tried it there
01.05.53 #       * amiconn has ideas how to slim down his memcpy/memmove monster on coldfire
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01.10.48 #       <preglow> amiconn: and slimming they need, heh
01.13.14 #       <Arathis> linuxstb: do you know who is working on the mpegplayer? especialy on sound of course? just to know whos name to look for on updates ;)
01.15.12 #       <preglow> Arathis: he is
01.15.25 #       <Arathis> preglow: thanks
01.15.36 #       <linuxstb> I've started working on sound, but it's not working yet, and the first commit to CVS will probably just play a separate .mp3 file, rather than a multiplexed file.  A couple of other people are working on optimising the video decoding to get higher framerates.
01.15.52 #       <amiconn> preglow: Another detail I wonder about is why memset returns with  mov pc, lr  while memset16 returns with  bx lr
01.17.36 #       <Arathis> btw: are there any c64 and/or dos emulators (like dosbox or scummv) beeing ported for rockbox? at least c64 game should run on almost every rockbox device I think
01.18.46 #       <preglow> amiconn: probably because the latter is more my work than former is
01.19.26 #       <preglow> i haven't thought too much about it
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01.29.43 #       <preglow> amiconn: so the len check on non-aligned was the only error?
01.29.51 #       <amiconn> Seems so
01.32.40 #       <preglow> how to solve that? just insert a cmpne r2, #0 after the tst?
01.32.51 #       <preglow> can't think of anything more clever
01.37.41 #       <amiconn> I know what's wrong with the button wait... BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REL  is still in the queue...
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01.55.07 #       <amiconn> preglow: just adding that cmpne fixes it...
01.56.17 #       <preglow> amiconn: yes, it should. btw, that mov pc, lr is replaced by bx lr in my local copy of memset
01.56.50 #       <amiconn> Should I commit?
01.57.04 #       <amiconn> Btw, I also fixed my test plugin to wait properly
01.57.41 #       <amiconn> Throwing in a couple of rb->button_clear_queue() (totally unwanted in ordinary code) worked
01.57.49 #       <preglow> commit away
01.58.03 #       <amiconn> Hmm
01.58.07 #       * amiconn has one thing to fix
01.58.53 #       <amiconn> YOur memset16() doesn't return the start address, but memset16 is declared to return a void*
01.59.06 #       <amiconn> I guess we can just ignore this fact...
01.59.12 #       <preglow> my memset16 returns garbage
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01.59.26 #       <preglow> can't we just set memset16 to return void ?
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01.59.50 #       <preglow> i don't see a point in complicating stuff with the return value
02.02.03 #       * amiconn is curious how much asm memset16() improves drawing on colour ipods
02.02.17 #       <preglow> can't imagine it'll be much
02.02.27 #       <amiconn> It should speed up things like clearing the screen and solid rectangle drawing
02.02.32 #       <preglow> yup
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02.43.36 #       <preglow> argh
02.44.04 #       <preglow> we should seriously consider using one specific gcc version for each build on build servers
02.45.27 #       * Paul_The_Nerd agrees
02.45.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It seems a little unfair to say "You don't get to know the conditions your code will be built under"
02.49.44 #       <preglow> not to mention the fact that it quite really removes some of the point of the build taking place anyway
02.50.17 #       <preglow> anywho, high time for bed
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03.08.19 #       <Davide-NYC> GUYS I'M STOKED!!!! I think I just applied a modified patch sucessfully! (it works in the sim at least)
03.08.40 #       <Davide-NYC> I mean, I did the modification. Mostly someone elses code.
03.08.47 #       <Davide-NYC> \o/
03.09.40 #       <TrueJournals> good job
03.09.43 #       <TrueJournals> what modification?
03.10.09 #       <Davide-NYC> I put icons back into the recording status bar as icons.
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03.10.16 #       <Davide-NYC> Made the icon myself
03.10.19 #       <Davide-NYC> made the code.
03.10.31 #       <TrueJournals> good job.  Hope it works out on your player :-p
03.10.49 #       <Davide-NYC> then carefully dismantled Mmmm's old patch (before commit) and attempted to understand what the hell was going on
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03.10.56 #       <TrueJournals> heh
03.11.12 #       <Davide-NYC> had to move a couple things out of conditional statements.
03.11.23 #       <Davide-NYC> (for me that's scary, changing logic)
03.11.31 #       <Davide-NYC> crossing fingers
03.11.34 #       <TrueJournals> lol
03.12.36 #       <Davide-NYC> TrueJournals: I need to reverse my first patch (really simple one) before I can generate my new one correct?
03.12.47 #       <TrueJournals> I duno
03.12.55 #       <TrueJournals> I know very little about patching and compiling :-p
03.13.01 #       <Davide-NYC> doh!
03.13.13 #       * Davide-NYC must stop presuming only devs and myself hang in here
03.13.40 #       <Davide-NYC> Question: I need to reverse my first patch (really simple one) before I can generate my new one correct? Otherwise I'll end up with a double patch
03.14.00 #       <TrueJournals> I've just begun to try to compile things myself...  but my H10 got broken somehow, so I have to send it in to be repaired before I can mess around with rockbox again really :'(
03.14.10 #       <TrueJournals> but I'd assume you're right...
03.14.16 #       <Davide-NYC> is this the correct syntax? "patch -R --binary -p0 < nofun.patch"
03.14.16 #       <TrueJournals> It sounds right :-p
03.14.22 #       <TrueJournals> that I don't know
03.14.27 #       <TrueJournals> look it up: google.com ;-)
03.14.30 #       <Davide-NYC> asking anyone
03.15.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't believe --binary should be necessary
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03.17.11 #       <Davide-NYC> TY
03.18.06 #       <Davide-NYC> Paul_The_Nerd: my understanding is correct? If I want to create a separate patch I must first reverse any other patches I have applied.
03.20.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Davide-NYC: Yeah, or the patch you create will include *all* of your applied patches
03.20.49 #       <JdGordon> w000t!!!! im almost ready with a working patch for my settings rework!
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03.22.45 #       * Davide-NYC wonders why this stuff is so addicting? Or is it just me...
03.23.39 #       <JdGordon> no.. its definatly addictive
03.25.26 #       <Davide-NYC> OK i reversed my original patch, I "cvs up -dP" and it says that a file is "M" that was touched by said patch. Does this mean the code has changed that file enought to break my reversal?
03.25.36 #       <Davide-NYC> *enough
03.25.46 #       <JdGordon> M menas merged
03.25.48 #       * Davide-NYC must learn to type
03.25.50 #       <JdGordon> so you should be ok
03.25.58 #       <Davide-NYC> Hmm
03.26.23 #       <Davide-NYC> wait! who cares? I'll just manually edit the diff file after.
03.26.38 #       <Davide-NYC> the files touches are mutually exculsivwe
03.26.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You mean the files you modified aren't modified by any other patches?
03.27.10 #       * JdGordon gone
03.27.20 #       <Davide-NYC> I have two patches, but they modify different files.
03.27.35 #       <Davide-NYC> (guys, help me with the jargon if I get too crazed)
03.28.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah
03.30.32 #       <Davide-NYC> this is the correct syntax for a recursive diff, correct? "cvs diff -R -u > bla.patch"
03.30.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Isn't -R "remove"?
03.31.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's been a little while since I tinkered with cvs diff.
03.31.30 #       <Davide-NYC> I don;t think so. I'm all in the help system.
03.31.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I've always created my patches simply cvs diff -u > blah.patch, if I recall
03.32.25 #       <TrueJournals> I'm looking at the man and it says "diff -uN"
03.32.31 #       <Davide-NYC> what if you mess with multiple files?
03.32.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That should diff all the files in subfolders against their CVS matches.
03.33.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And output the results of all of that into blah.patch
03.33.45 #       <Davide-NYC> \o/
03.33.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Also, I was thinking patch -R, I believe
03.34.03 #       * Paul_The_Nerd is a weeeee bit out of it tonight
03.37.00 #       <Davide-NYC> In fact the file "apps/plugins/SOURCES" must have changed so much that when I tried to remove my "no fun" patch it didn;t quite complete.
03.37.21 #       <Davide-NYC> I found remnant traces of my 'no fun' changes in my 'icons' patch
03.37.29 #       <Davide-NYC> *after* I had reversed it.
03.37.47 #       <Davide-NYC> (fascinating)
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03.39.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Sometimes reversing patches doesn't work out as well as you'd like.
03.39.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Usually if I know a file doesn't have any modifications I want to keep, I just delete the file and let CVS redownload it.
03.40.59 #       <Davide-NYC> will do. I might actually just force a whole new source tree.
03.41.08 #       <Davide-NYC> there must be a cvs command for that
03.41.49 #       <Davide-NYC> crap. Errors on sim build for FMRecorder
03.41.53 #       <Davide-NYC> :-(
03.42.34 #       <Davide-NYC> how bad are undeclared variables?
03.42.48 #       <Davide-NYC> just using up space or could they cause more serious rpoblems.
03.44.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Do you mean unused variables?
03.47.19 #       <midkay> no problems, just useless space (codewise only i think) and the annoying warning :)
03.47.43 #       <midkay> i'm betting the compiler doesn't even bother including it if it sees that it's unused.. it just lets you know that you can take it out of the code.
03.48.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, he said "undeclared" which is a bit different. ;)
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03.49.47 #       <midkay> right, but that doesn't make any sense since the compiler wouldn't let you build it.. so i assumed your suggested correction of "unused". :)
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03.50.21 #       <midkay> wait.
03.50.23 #       <midkay> errors?
03.50.30 #       <midkay> now i'm.. haha.
03.50.37 #       <midkay> never mind. :o
03.50.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
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04.05.18 #       <Davide-NYC> midkay: thanks for the vocabulary tips! please keep them coming.
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04.05.45 #       <Davide-NYC> ooooo.... Me thinks me fixed it.
04.05.49 #       <Davide-NYC> :-)
04.06.03 #       <midkay> haha. vocabulary tips? :o
04.06.07 #       <midkay> was it unused or undeclared?
04.06.36 #       <Davide-NYC> nope... me broke it
04.06.40 #       <Davide-NYC> lol
04.06.53 #       <midkay> WAS IT UNUSED OR UNDECLARED. :(
04.06.55 #       <Davide-NYC> unsused
04.07.07 #       <midkay> HAA. told you.
04.07.11 #       <Davide-NYC> I don;t even know what exactly an undeclared variable be
04.07.22 #       <midkay> in your face, Paul_The_Nerd-who-suggested-it-originally-but-forget-about-that!
04.07.29 #       <TrueJournals> Undeclared = you don't say "this is a variable"
04.07.36 #       <newbyx86> undeclared means never declared
04.07.36 #       <newbyx86> lol
04.07.38 #       <midkay> Davide-NYC: that'd be if you referenced something that you hadn't declared...
04.07.40 #       <midkay> haha.
04.07.40 #       <TrueJournals> Unused = you say "this is a variable" but never do anything with it
04.07.42 #       <newbyx86> i.e
04.07.44 #       <newbyx86> X+2;
04.07.46 #       <newbyx86> err, X+=2;
04.07.54 #       <newbyx86> if you never declare X X is an undefined variable.
04.08.01 #       <Davide-NYC> gotit
04.08.08 #       <newbyx86> now, int X; return;
04.08.15 #       <newbyx86> that's not using the variable. :p
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04.12.22 #       <Davide-NYC> midkay: sorry, undeclared
04.12.30 #       <Davide-NYC> make says so
04.12.51 #       <midkay> well, whatever it is, find out where you reference it - what line - and declare it in that function, or globally if you need :)
04.13.05 #       <Davide-NYC> not sure.
04.14.08 #       <midkay> the compiler should tell you what variable and what line..
04.16.03 #       <Davide-NYC> midkay: line 45 here: http://pastebin.ca/163020
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04.16.29 #       <Davide-NYC> it from gui/statusbar.c
04.16.39 #       <Davide-NYC> help?
04.17.31 #       <midkay> i don't see width or height declared anywhere in there.
04.17.53 #       <Davide-NYC> do you think I need them?
04.18.06 #       <midkay> in fact i don't even see the variables used anywhere else there. you can get rid of that call, since they aren't even used by anything else..
04.18.26 #       <midkay> you're just filling them in with some crap and not touching them, may as well just get rid of the entire line :)
04.19.06 #       <Davide-NYC> I tried getting rid of that block of code and it showed the volume icon and the bitmapped samplerate which is incorrect for the Archos targets
04.19.13 #       <Davide-NYC> (in the sim)
04.19.20 #       <Davide-NYC> you mean just the one line?
04.19.37 #       <midkay> oh, i didn't see that height was used in the next line..
04.19.47 #       <midkay> go ahead and declare them both then.. at least temporarily..
04.19.50 #       <midkay> int width, height;
04.19.56 #       <midkay> at the top, like by char buffer[4];
04.20.03 #       <Davide-NYC> k
04.20.32 #       <midkay> dunno how that will fix the problem, unless the line is necessary for it.
04.20.45 #       <Davide-NYC> should I declare them at the top of the statusbar.c file or just in the funtion
04.20.52 #       <Davide-NYC> *function
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04.21.23 #       <midkay> function, since they're probably only used here..
04.21.59 #       <Davide-NYC> wow, thank you. "making"
04.22.11 #       <Davide-NYC> make install
04.22.16 #       <Davide-NYC> (drum roll)
04.22.31 #       * TrueJournals does drum roll
04.22.55 #       <midkay> haha.
04.24.00 #       <Davide-NYC> Sweetness! One problem down, one to go.
04.24.03 #       <Davide-NYC> :-)
04.24.12 #       * TrueJournals has to go
04.24.14 #       <TrueJournals> see ya
04.24.17 #       <Davide-NYC> later
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04.24.36 #       <Davide-NYC> I'm going to buy a C book. This stuff looks so cool.
04.24.49 #       <midkay> cool :)
04.25.00 #       <midkay> yeah, it's fun :)
04.26.32 #       <Davide-NYC> Here's the latest:
04.26.34 #       <Davide-NYC> gui/statusbar.c: In function `gui_statusbar_icon_recording_info':
04.26.35 #       <Davide-NYC> gui/statusbar.c:613: warning: unused variable `sample_rate'
04.26.44 #       <Davide-NYC> *now* we have an unused.
04.28.23 #       <midkay> yay.
04.28.32 #       <midkay> so you can just remove the declaration of it.. right on that line, should be.
04.29.02 #       <Davide-NYC> no, I muckedup the logic, because I need that.
04.29.39 #       <Davide-NYC> can you check the code for a sec? I'm currently getting bitmaps for samplerate on the archos sim. I should be getting systemfont.
04.29.56 #       <Davide-NYC> On SWCODEC targets I want bitmaps/.
04.30.11 #       <Davide-NYC> for bot encoding/bitrate and ssamplerate
04.30.15 #       <Davide-NYC> *both
04.30.34 #       <Davide-NYC> On MAS targets I was sysfont
04.30.37 #       <midkay> sure..
04.30.39 #       <Davide-NYC> *want
04.31.02 #       <midkay> which code?
04.31.06 #       <midkay> same pastebin?
04.31.19 #       <Davide-NYC> hold on, you don;t have enough code
04.31.21 #       <Davide-NYC> sorry
04.31.24 #       <midkay> sure :)
04.33.01 #       <Davide-NYC> http://pastebin.ca/163036
04.33.44 #       <Davide-NYC> and my comment is incomplete, it should say: For MAS targets both encoder/bitrate and samplerate should be displayed in the statusbar as sysfont. For SWCODEC targets bitmaps should be displayed instead.
04.34.01 #       <midkay> okay.
04.34.07 #       <Davide-NYC> line 650ish
04.35.36 #       <midkay> huh... that looks right..
04.35.59 #       <Davide-NYC> I'm going to take a stab at it. I have an idea
04.36.11 #       <Davide-NYC> maybe I buzz you back in a minute with a new pastebin?
04.36.16 #       <midkay> Davide-NYC: how about line.. uh..
04.36.21 #       <Davide-NYC> 690
04.36.21 #       <midkay> 688?
04.36.24 #       <Davide-NYC> yes
04.36.31 #       <Davide-NYC> if swcodec bla else
04.36.34 #       <midkay> exactly.
04.36.45 #       <Davide-NYC> I need the else statement to print freq in sysfoint
04.36.49 #       <Davide-NYC> (please)
04.36.56 #       <Davide-NYC> I know nothing of syntax
04.37.01 #       <Davide-NYC> :-)
04.37.32 #       <midkay> hm.
04.38.06 #       <midkay> just add the #if and #else around that bitmap (line 688-691)..
04.39.05 #       <midkay> hold on, let's see here.. hm..
04.39.13 #       <Davide-NYC> yes yes, I'm asking for the else statement to print freq info from  char* const sample_rate[12] (line 613)
04.39.17 #       <midkay> i'll pastebin you something.
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04.44.06 #       <midkay> you should change that char buffer[4] above to like.. char buffer[10];
04.44.12 #       <midkay> you'll need it for this.
04.45.36 #       <Davide-NYC> in the CVS right now there is this:  snprintf(buffer, sizeof(buffer), "%s", sample_rate[freq]);
04.46.06 #       <midkay> oh, so you don't want like "khz" to follow?
04.46.29 #       <midkay> just a sec then.. that simplifies it a lot.
04.46.47 #       <Davide-NYC> it doesn't fit
04.46.53 #       <midkay> makes sense.
04.46.54 #       <Davide-NYC> only two sysfont chars fit there
04.47.19 #       <Davide-NYC>     #if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC
04.47.20 #       <Davide-NYC>         display->mono_bitmap(bitmap_icons_12x8[freq],
04.47.22 #       <Davide-NYC>                    STATUSBAR_RECFREQ_X_POS, STATUSBAR_Y_POS,
04.47.23 #       <Davide-NYC>                    STATUSBAR_RECFREQ_WIDTH, STATUSBAR_HEIGHT);
04.47.24 #       <midkay> what if it's 44.1?
04.47.25 #       <Davide-NYC>     #else
04.47.26 #       <Davide-NYC>         snprintf(buffer, sizeof(buffer), "%s", sample_rate[freq]);
04.47.27 #       <midkay> that's four characters..
04.47.28 #       <Davide-NYC>     #endif
04.47.37 #       <Davide-NYC> nah "44"
04.47.39 #       <midkay> or does it just say 44.. ah..
04.47.52 #       <Davide-NYC> the .1kHz is implied
04.47.58 #       <midkay> right, i wasn't thinking.
04.48.08 #       <Davide-NYC> check out my horrid snippet of code
04.48.15 #       <Davide-NYC> ^^
04.48.26 #       <midkay> so.. just add a.. display->putsxy(STATUSBAR_RECFREQ_X_POS, STATUSBAR_Y_POS, buffer); or something like that..
04.48.35 #       <midkay> if that defines where it ought to go...
04.48.39 #       <midkay> that goes after the snprintf.
04.48.41 #       <midkay> also.. hm.
04.48.46 #       <midkay> move the #if up a bit. wait.
04.48.52 #       <midkay> yeah
04.49.00 #       <midkay> just after the int freq.
04.49.16 #       <midkay> i believe we don't want to do all those mutilations to the value if it's MAS, right?
04.49.27 #       <midkay> or.. no, we do. never mind.
04.49.40 #       <midkay> just insert the putsxy line and you're free to go.
04.49.49 #       <Davide-NYC> hold up, I think I got it. One last pastebinm
04.52.14 #       <Davide-NYC> http://pastebin.ca/163052 line 85ish
04.52.23 #       <Davide-NYC> stolen from current CVS.
04.53.01 #       <midkay> the height>statusbarheight crap.. what is that intended to do? use sysfixed if it's too big or something?
04.53.15 #       <Davide-NYC> no idea.
04.53.21 #       <midkay> haha. just a moment.
04.53.40 #       <Davide-NYC> I grabbed it from CVS and just cleaned up the indentation to match
04.54.08 #       <midkay> hm..
04.54.35 #       <midkay> could you test it? try a large font please.
04.54.38 #       <midkay> and see what it does..
04.54.45 #       <midkay> looks like it puts it over the clock for some reason or other.
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04.54.49 #       <Davide-NYC> IT WORKS!!
04.55.05 #       <midkay> it should, i'm just trying to understand what that if is for exactly :)
04.55.07 #       <Davide-NYC> well on the FMRec sim it does
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04.55.16 #       <Davide-NYC> lemme see on the h120 sim
04.55.30 #       <midkay> it does what?
04.55.50 #       <midkay> ah, the working :)
04.56.11 #       <Davide-NYC> yeah, two different statusbars depending on SWCODEC or MAS
04.56.22 #       <midkay> works?
04.56.40 #       <Davide-NYC> tick tick tick
04.56.54 #       * Davide-NYC yawn
04.58.03 #       <Davide-NYC> Woooot!!!! \o/
04.58.15 #       <midkay> haha. great. congrats. :)
04.58.42 #       <Davide-NYC> I gonna post a patch!
04.58.54 #       <midkay> might clean it up a bit first!
04.58.55 #       <Davide-NYC> I can;t believe it.
04.59.02 #       <Davide-NYC> oh
04.59.15 #       <midkay> i'd suggest figuring out what that if does.. also note that the #if and #else and #endif should not be indented at all :)
04.59.30 #       <Davide-NYC> OK, where can I find all of the syntax etiquette?
04.59.42 #       <midkay> in a book i suppose :)
04.59.46 #       <Davide-NYC> wikiSyntaxForIdiots?
04.59.51 #       <Davide-NYC> :-(
05.00.01 #       <midkay> pretty basic, just none of the #if/#else/#elif/#endif commands are indented like normal. :)
05.00.24 #       <Davide-NYC> lemme guess, elif is else+if
05.00.34 #       <Davide-NYC> y'all is sooo lazy
05.00.41 #       <Davide-NYC> :-)
05.00.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> C was built for lazy people
05.00.51 #       <midkay> right.. like #if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC .. #elif CONFIG_CODEC == HWCODEC
05.00.53 #       <midkay> :)
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05.01.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or maybe, *by* lazy people
05.01.34 #       <Davide-NYC> we would only have to do that if there was a third type of codec right?
05.02.10 #       <Davide-NYC> otherwise an else would suffice. (I think)
05.02.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm kinda astonished there's not a third type yet
05.02.24 #       <Davide-NYC> donutcodec
05.02.29 #       <Davide-NYC> pastramicodec
05.02.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> HYBRIDCODEC
05.02.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Something like the MAS dedicated to MP3 decoding, but with a primary core powerful enough to handle other formats as well
05.02.55 #       * Davide-NYC hungry
05.03.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Of course there'd also have to be a way to play them, as transcoding to MP3 for playback would be a bit of a kludge.
05.03.21 #       <Davide-NYC> does the MAS do VBR?
05.03.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> As far as I know.
05.03.50 #       <Davide-NYC> I don;t have an archos, so I got no clue.
05.03.55 #       <midkay> do vbr? it plays vbr files..
05.04.02 #       <Davide-NYC> cool
05.04.07 #       <midkay> and records exclusively in VBR :)
05.04.44 #       <Davide-NYC> should i clean up other people's syntax?
05.04.55 #       <Davide-NYC> I mean whitespce/indenting/whatever
05.05.05 #       <Davide-NYC> or is that uncool?
05.05.48 #       <Davide-NYC> what if the 3if is inside another #if
05.05.55 #       <Davide-NYC> *#if
05.06.08 #       <Davide-NYC> stillno indent?
05.06.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah
05.06.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Things that start with # are preprocessor directives. You put them all the way to the left, because they aren't so much code as instructions to a program that reads through the code in advance and sorta rearranges it before you start compiling.
05.07.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The normal if(blah) in the code, those statements are in the code no matter what. The #if stuff actually gets removed before compiling if it's not true.
05.07.52 #       <Davide-NYC> so the compile takes less time!
05.08.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And the file that comes out of it is smaller.
05.08.04 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05.08.09 #       <Davide-NYC> great
05.08.52 #       <Davide-NYC> does the dev know whether it's a regular (all the time) if and if so how do they know.
05.09.03 #       <Davide-NYC> oh nevermind. Suggest a good book
05.09.06 #       <Davide-NYC> (please)
05.09.20 #       <Davide-NYC> :-)
05.09.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If there's a #if, it's the kind that gets removed. If it's if without the # (the kinds of ifs you indent after the {s for) then it stays in the code.
05.10.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I really don't know a good book.
05.10.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Umm... I know some people recommend the C++ How to Program Dietel & Dietel book, I think
05.11.16 #       <midkay> i read C for Dummies and it was quite helpful, although i already had a working basic knowledge of C when i began reading it..
05.12.08 #       <Davide-NYC> that sounds more my speed. the dietel book == pages: 1536
05.12.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> :-P
05.12.45 #       <midkay> yeah, c for dummies was quite short.. although there's a volume 2 which i never read.
05.13.25 #       <midkay> that gets into some rarer stuff like disk accessing, file I/O among other stuff.. i never really used that kind of thing often so i just kind of picked up on what i needed to know from elsewhere :)
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05.43.06 #       <Davide-NYC> OK I have one tiny little last problem
05.43.09 #       <Davide-NYC> :-)
05.44.20 #       <Davide-NYC> I did a local diff on statusbar.c and statusbar.c.mod and manually merged it into 'icons.patch'. Now I get what I believe to be a timestamp discrepancy
05.44.32 #       <Davide-NYC> when I try to use patch
05.44.54 #       <Davide-NYC> nevermind
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06.06.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> super-lazy file writing?
06.07.05 #       <jhMikeS> Paul_The_Nerd: Files are not started right away, just marked in the buffer for beginning and end and the next fn queued. When the flush comes, then the files are created written and closed.
06.07.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah
06.07.32 #       <jhMikeS> This should stop a lot of hd spinup esp. important for using the internal mic
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06.09.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Gotcha
06.10.45 #       <hardeep> don't know if this has already been mentioned but the latest edition of pc magazine has a pretty big write up on rockbox and ipodlinux: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2010245,00.asp
06.13.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Of course, we only started mattering when we supported iPods
06.13.28 #       <hardeep> of course :)
06.15.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Where do you contact them to offer corrections?
06.16.30 #       <hardeep> no idea
06.16.51 #       <newbyx86> legal@pcmag.com :P
06.16.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
06.17.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They seem to have the erroneous belief that you can't play iTunes loaded music from Rockbox
06.17.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah well
06.17.22 #       <newbyx86> You can. What retards.
06.17.42 #       <jhMikeS> iPod -- says it all
06.17.54 #       <newbyx86> I mean, the tag database was buggy for me (if I switched to tag database and switched back to file view, I couldn't move up a directory with the previous button) but eh, it works.
06.18.07 #       <jhMikeS> How 'bout a letter to the editor?
06.19.54 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
06.19.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, no matter
06.20.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> At least people coming from that article won't be coming with the expectation for proper coexistance
06.20.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> This is actually a good thing in my mind
06.20.18 #       * jhMikeS fears if it matters too much then the lawyers will start sinking their teeth into every aspect of it
06.21.01 #       <jhMikeS> trying to find every potential patent infringment no matter how obscure or insignificant
06.22.14 #       <jhMikeS> or any violation of laws in various countries regarding reverse engineering...
06.22.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Heh
06.22.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay, I posted my correction to their little section for discussion of the article
06.24.08 #       <jhMikeS> Here in the US they'd probably try to dump anything in the DMCA that they can on us...but the international nature of the project could be a frustrating block.
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06.25.15 #       <Davide-NYC> guys I have two files that differ. One is from CVS the other is not. How do I patch the CVS file with mine so that I can later do a cvs diff -R across multiple folders?
06.25.37 #       <Davide-NYC> 'file.c' and 'file.bak'
06.25.42 #       <jhMikeS> the main repository?
06.26.15 #       <hardeep> use "diff -u" and append that to your patch
06.26.38 #       * jhMikeS was gonna basically say that  :)
06.26.44 #       <Davide-NYC> diff -u file.c file.bak >> file.patch?
06.26.48 #       <hardeep> yeah
06.27.28 #       <Davide-NYC> when I diff I get the entire code 'minused' and then the entire code 'plused'
06.27.29 #       <newbyx86> Anybody use (t)csh?
06.27.31 #       <jhMikeS> don't you have to diff the cvs version
06.27.41 #       <jhMikeS> against the non-cvs?
06.27.49 #       <Davide-NYC> that's probably where I went wrong
06.28.13 #       <jhMikeS> cvs diff -u [-p0] file.bak >> file.patch
06.28.30 #       <Davide-NYC> no mention of file.c?
06.28.51 #       <Davide-NYC> file.c is from CVS and is currently unmodified
06.28.51 #       <hardeep> that would only work if file.bak is in cvs which i'm assuming it isn't?
06.28.52 #       <jhMikeS> You can do as many as needed
06.29.13 #       <jhMikeS> can add it temporarilty
06.29.38 #       <jhMikeS> but wait...no won't work...
06.29.58 #       <hardeep> Davide-NYC: just to make sure I understand correctly, you want to find the difference between file.bak and file.c?
06.30.38 #       <Davide-NYC> I want to create a patchfile. file.c is from cvs unmodded, file.bak is file.c but modified.
06.30.57 #       <hardeep> yeah, so you need to use "diff" not "cvs diff"
06.31.07 #       <Davide-NYC> unfortunatley whatever mechanism cvs uses to keep track of file revisions has been broken by my ignorance
06.31.25 #       <hardeep> er, hmmm?  what do you mean?
06.31.35 #       <Davide-NYC> I'm not suer
06.31.38 #       <Davide-NYC> *sure
06.31.43 #       <Davide-NYC> ?me I never am
06.31.49 #       <jhMikeS> delete the revised tree with your changes saved and check it out again
06.32.06 #       <Davide-NYC> what about my changes?
06.32.22 #       <jhMikeS> copy those or diff them the way hardeep said first
06.32.41 #       <Davide-NYC> when you say copy you mean by hand right?
06.32.45 #       <jhMikeS> then on the fresh tree repatch
06.32.45 #       <hardeep> copying file.bak to file.c and doing a diff works to
06.32.51 #       <jhMikeS> yes
06.33.05 #       <Davide-NYC> hardeep: are you sure?
06.33.05 #       <hardeep> a cvs diff that is
06.33.18 #       <hardeep> yes
06.33.26 #       <Davide-NYC> that's good
06.33.39 #       <jhMikeS> yeah...should replace the messed up checkout
06.34.27 #       <Davide-NYC> the checkout is clean I can make a patch for all my changes except the one
06.34.40 #       <Davide-NYC> lemme see of the copy file trick works
06.36.07 #       <Davide-NYC> nah
06.36.31 #       <Davide-NYC> same thing, it 'minuses' the whole file and then 'pluses' my file.
06.37.17 #       <Davide-NYC> the patch is created. It will work (I think) but it's a brute force 'select all', delete, paste job instead of a real patch
06.38.08 #       <Davide-NYC> is my only option applying the changes by hand to the file in question?
06.38.17 #       <Davide-NYC> after a clean checkout?>
06.38.18 #       <hardeep> Davide-NYC: sounds like there's something funky in your updated file.  CRLF maybe?
06.38.32 #       <Davide-NYC> hmm
06.39.02 #       <Davide-NYC> hex = 0d 0a
06.39.04 #       <Davide-NYC> crap
06.39.46 #       <jhMikeS> heh!
06.40.46 #       <jhMikeS> Davide-NYC: Can't just resave with UNIX lf?
06.41.18 #       <Davide-NYC> dos2unix trying it now
06.41.38 #       <Davide-NYC> (what a ridiculous stardards compliance issue)
06.41.39 #       <Quazgaa> dos2unix thats so stupid
06.41.45 #       <Quazgaa> just use tr or something
06.41.54 #       <jhMikeS> use a text edit with UNIX option...
06.42.17 #       <jhMikeS> In Windows that TextPad is very nice
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06.47.16 #       <Davide-NYC> Thanks! I got it. (I think)
06.47.59 #       <Quazgaa> tr -d '\r'
06.48.02 #       <Quazgaa> thats all you need
06.48.09 #       <Quazgaa> why did some idiot write some 'dos2unix' like give me a break
06.48.24 #       <Davide-NYC> easy friend
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06.49.13 #       * Davide-NYC needs to use a better IRC client. Chatzilla sucks.
06.50.30 #       <jhMikeS> Visual IRC 2.0 is good
06.50.38 #       <jhMikeS> it's free too
06.51.23 #       <jhMikeS> and better than a lot of other stuff that isn't
06.53.10 #       <jhMikeS> Quazgaa: that does sound idiotic with tr around...glad I know about it now
06.57.53 #       <Quazgaa> ;)
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07.00.03 #       <Davide-NYC> midkay: you ready fot the last little query?
07.00.10 #       <midkay> yeah? :)
07.00.27 #       <Davide-NYC> haha, I have a possibly errant bit of code
07.00.48 #       <Davide-NYC> undeclared sample_rate
07.00.51 #       <midkay> let's see it :) brb..
07.01.00 #       <midkay> hm? just declare it if necessary..
07.01.08 #       <midkay> can you paste, what line does it error out on?
07.01.41 #       <Davide-NYC> what does this line do exactly?  snprintf(buffer, sizeof(buffer), "%s", sample_rate[audio_get_spdif_sample_rate()]);
07.02.23 #       <Davide-NYC> I think I just have to move the declaration out of the #ifdef
07.02.57 #       <midkay> snprintf puts among other things, a variable into a string.. so it.. takes the sample rate - audio_get_blalgallbalba and uses it to decide waht sample_rate to use..
07.03.04 #       <midkay> and then dumps the result into buffer.
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07.20.42 #       <Davide-NYC> I am mad proud.
07.22.16 #       <jhMikeS> Davide-NYC: Man I got changes coming to that stuff...you won't be able to use a canned array of strings to display sample rates.
07.22.32 #       <Davide-NYC> crap!
07.22.58 #       <Davide-NYC> you wann just merge this?
07.23.07 #       <Davide-NYC> I mean with your changes?
07.23.23 #       <Davide-NYC> It's not that much for someone that knows what they are doing
07.23.28 #       <Davide-NYC> (I presume)
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07.28.37 #       <jhMikeS> You should just format the frequency with snprintf
07.30.05 #       <jhMikeS> I can whip something up and pastebin it
07.31.29 #       <jhMikeS> Davide-NYC: you want it to display kHz?
07.31.50 #       <Davide-NYC> no
07.31.50 #       <jhMikeS> with trailing zeros removed from the fraction?
07.31.51 #       <Davide-NYC> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5882.msg49146#msg49146
07.32.00 #       <Davide-NYC> gifs and patcvh
07.32.03 #       <Davide-NYC> *patch
07.34.55 #       <Davide-NYC> I think it should be scrutinized by people that actually know what they are doing, fixed (if necessary) and included in CVS. I think this looks more elegant than bitmap on one side of the play_state icon and sysfont onthe other.
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07.35.21 #       <jhMikeS> A formatter can ignore the fractional part
07.35.32 #       <jhMikeS> and the units part
07.35.47 #       <Davide-NYC> that's not what I was getting at.
07.36.07 #       <Davide-NYC> Mmmm's CVS commit fixes all of the functional issues
07.36.12 #       <jhMikeS> I'm not sure what you're getting at...I see a lot of bitmaps
07.36.21 #       <Davide-NYC> now you do
07.36.23 #       <Davide-NYC> :-)
07.36.45 #       <jhMikeS> Not gonna work on SWCODEC
07.37.20 #       <jhMikeS> There will be more MP3 sample rates than that and the rec_quality thing is history.
07.37.29 #       <jhMikeS> Except for archos of course
07.37.59 #       <jhMikeS> audio_set_recording_options will take a structure pointer for it's settings since this makes the differences easier to handle
07.38.56 #       <jhMikeS> rec_init_recording_options will initialize the structure with the global settings for easy use. It's practically always called with the global settings anyway.
07.39.00 #       <Davide-NYC> cool, how are the menus going to lay out?
07.39.11 #       <Davide-NYC> (I'mmore of a user than a coder
07.39.39 #       <jhMikeS> You'll have Format, Channels, and Frequency in the recording menu
07.40.10 #       <jhMikeS> And then Encoder Settings sub menu with settings specific to that codec
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07.40.50 #       <jhMikeS> Encoder settings will be saved in cfg files (this is the direction things are going)
07.41.30 #       <jhMikeS> The contents of Frequency will depend on your encoder choice
07.42.32 #       <jhMikeS> MP3 only supports 48000,44100,32000 and the hw atm 11025,22050,44100...so if you have mp3 chosen, your only freq option will be 44100 since that's one they share
07.42.49 #       <jhMikeS> WAV and WAVPACK can do all of them.
07.43.23 #       <Davide-NYC> eventually it'll get crazy with ogg and speex and flac etc? Or the plan is to keep it simple?
07.43.36 #       <jhMikeS> BUT! If you're you're using spdif, there won't be any frequency option other than "Source Sample Rate" because the freq is determined by the device connected to the input
07.43.44 #       <Davide-NYC> of course
07.44.00 #       <jhMikeS> That's why encoder sub menus will keep it that way
07.44.23 #       <jhMikeS> Pick format...pick how you want it encoded
07.44.58 #       <Davide-NYC> so it'll be like a dynamic folder structure
07.45.01 #       <jhMikeS> Not all encoders share the same settings of course
07.45.29 #       <jhMikeS> kinda...but always under one Recording Menu item...
07.45.43 #       <jhMikeS> Frequency and Channels will remain in the same place
07.46.10 #       <Davide-NYC> how can freq not be under enc since freq is enc dependant?
07.46.14 #       <jhMikeS> Quality though...gone...that's really only for the mas codec on archos
07.46.35 #       <jhMikeS> It's a common option to any encoder
07.46.56 #       <Davide-NYC> don;t the values change depending/
07.48.05 #       <Davide-NYC> you said: "your only freq option will be 44100 since that's one they share" so I assumed freq would be under enc and change depending on what enc was chosen
07.48.09 #       <jhMikeS> yes...the closest to what the previous setting will be selected automatically. I had thought about moving those two into the encoder settings...but something says it's not the right feel to things.
07.48.22 #       <Davide-NYC> hmm
07.49.35 #       <jhMikeS> I'd rather set 44100 can not have to go setting that on every format change...try it out...changing it to what you're saying wouldn't be too difficult anyway.
07.49.48 #       <jhMikeS> Besides frequency depends on source and not just format
07.49.58 #       <Davide-NYC> only for spidf
07.50.08 #       <Davide-NYC> (sp?)
07.50.12 #       <Davide-NYC> spdif
07.50.12 #       <jhMikeS> yes...
07.50.42 #       <Davide-NYC> on the OF (iriver) there was a neat menu overlay
07.50.55 #       <jhMikeS> If most recording is done at 44100 do you want to go change it with every encoder selection?
07.50.57 #       <Davide-NYC> really clean implementation
07.51.08 #       <Davide-NYC> no way
07.51.24 #       <jhMikeS> I think viewport are gonna come at some point then popup menus will be possible as well as dialogue boxes
07.51.38 #       <Davide-NYC> I see, that's not possible yet.
07.51.41 #       <jhMikeS> no
07.51.45 #       <Davide-NYC> gotcha
07.52.11 #       * Davide-NYC must remember to mention the OF when viewports come along
07.52.35 #       <jhMikeS> I'm looking to make the code rather easily adaptable to various changes
07.53.10 #       <Davide-NYC> awesome
07.53.34 #       <jhMikeS> amiconn said he is pondering the viewports but hasn't got it totally worked out
07.53.49 #       <Davide-NYC> this is a fantastic project.
07.54.05 #       <Davide-NYC> I gotta sleep. If you see Mmmm, tell him to chack my patch.
07.54.16 #       <jhMikeS> I'd love popup menus for the file options (Delete, Open with..., etc.)
07.54.17 #       <Davide-NYC> It's really his patch just 'molested' a bit
07.54.24 #       <jhMikeS> ok
07.54.29 #       <Davide-NYC> 'night
07.54.33 #       <jhMikeS> goodnight
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08.08.09 #       <theli_ua> morning to all :)
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08.24.39 #       <baobab68> anyone about?
08.25.01 #       <baobab68> just got a simple album art question, not sure what the current status of album art is in CVS.
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08.33.33 #       <JdGordon> Bagder: pity it only sped it up by about a min
08.34.11 #       <Bagder> still an improvement
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08.38.11 #       <markun> Bagder: what about the legal threats? Are you emailing them first?
08.38.20 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Regarding the odd gcc 4.1. warning - I have no idea why it happens only on some gcc 4.1.2 boxes, but mine is not the only one.
08.38.40 #       <Bagder> ok
08.38.46 #       <Bagder> annoying it is anyway
08.38.49 #       <amiconn> Check the Gigabeat F Sim of build 2006-09-04 19:36
08.39.15 #       <amiconn> lillebror, same warnings
08.40.08 #       <amiconn> What's really strange is that if I build manually on this box, the line numbers are one off compared to the cvs builds
08.40.18 #       <Bagder> and lillebror is a "plain" 32bit one
08.40.26 #       <Bagder> very strange
08.41.09 #       <amiconn> The cvs builds warn about lines 850, 1057, I get warnings about lines 851, 1058
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08.45.14 #       <amiconn> Maybe this has to do with ccache
08.46.08 #       <Bagder> what makes you suspect that?
08.46.25 #       <amiconn> It's the only difference between manual and cvs builds...
08.47.02 #       <JdGordon> starting the build manually also uses ccache tho... its used automatically
08.47.10 #       <Bagder> exactly
08.47.18 #       <Bagder> you'd have to explicitly disable it if you don't want it
08.47.19 #       <amiconn> Hmm? Since when?
08.47.27 #       <JdGordon> 2 weeks ago?
08.47.42 #       <Bagder> yeah, about 2 weeks or so
08.48.15 #       <Bagder> since aug 16
08.48.42 #       <amiconn> odd
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08.49.13 #       <theli_ua> i get 'codec failure' for any format i try (ogg,mp3,flac) .. i'm on mini2g ... what can be the problem?
08.49.49 #       <JdGordon> u didnt upgrade the codecs with the .ipod?
08.49.58 #       <theli_ua> no
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08.50.02 #       <amiconn> Hmm, but the cvs builds use make -j
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08.50.24 #       <Bagder> but it is hard to see why make -j would introduce warnings
08.50.43 #       <theli_ua> JdGordon, i mean i did
08.50.50 #       <Bagder> but sure it messes up the build order
08.51.08 #       <amiconn> Bagder: I don't mean the warnings, but the 1-line difference
08.51.14 #       <Bagder> ah
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08.51.35 #       <Bagder> well, make -j shouldn't matter for that either of course...
08.51.41 #       <JdGordon> theli_ua: then im out of ideas :p try reseting settings? i only asked because thats happened to me before
08.51.55 #       <ariesoft> why my rockbox playing mpeg with some big square?
08.52.09 #       <theli_ua> JdGordon, i forgot to try clean rebuild ... trying this now ...
08.52.42 #       <ariesoft> why my rockbox playing mpeg with some big square?
08.52.52 #       <Bagder> ariesoft: repeating does not help
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08.53.38 #       <amiconn> Bagder: No, make -j doesn't affect the line numbers
08.53.53 #       <amiconn> How would I disable ccache now?
08.53.57 #       <markun> ariesoft: does your mpeg contain sound? What is the resolution of the file?
08.54.01 #       <Bagder> configure --no-ccache
08.55.00 #       <theli_ua> settings reset didn't help :( .... so any more ideas why i can get 'codec failure' ? :(
08.55.03 #       <ariesoft> have no sound
08.55.30 #       <ariesoft> and IT'S 25fps
08.56.04 #       <theli_ua> ariesoft, mpeg playing is at early stage , it doesn't supports sound .....
08.56.56 #       <markun> ariesoft: did you try the "Elephant's dream" test files?
08.57.02 #       <ariesoft> i know
08.57.17 #       <ariesoft> i just want it view
08.57.51 #       <ariesoft> where can download it?
08.58.20 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Hmm, --no-ccache still produces the warnings
08.58.22 #       <markun> with resolution I was more talking about the number of pixes (220x176 for example)
08.58.39 #       <markun> ariesoft: there are links on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
08.58.41 #       <ariesoft> plz give me the add
08.58.44 #       <ariesoft> thx
08.58.48 #       <amiconn> Anyway, I found why I have a onbe-line difference here; has to do with an attempt to fix a 64bit bug in libmad
08.59.23 #       <bluebrother> ariesoft, why don't you just read the website? Everything you need is linked on the wiki page.
09.00.00 #       <ariesoft> opss...i just...
09.00.48 #       <bluebrother> anyway, gtg now.
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09.01.03 #       <ariesoft> thx
09.01.09 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Looks like it has to do with this CONST_TO_CONST_STRUCT_FIELD thingy
09.01.30 #       <Bagder> yeah, obviously but why do some 4.1.2 versions like it and some not...
09.01.52 #       <amiconn> Maybe the gcc team fixed a bug present in early 4.1.2 versions
09.02.17 #       <amiconn> 4.1.2 isn't released yet
09.02.32 #       <amiconn> debian unstable uses cvs gcc
09.02.40 #       <Bagder> yeah, it might be the sub-version in the debian unstable install
09.02.52 #       <Bagder> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060814
09.02.57 #       <Bagder> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060901
09.03.04 #       <Bagder> etc
09.03.08 #       <amiconn> yes
09.03.16 #       <Bagder> what does your compiler say?
09.03.23 #       <amiconn> gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)
09.03.38 #       <Bagder> Zagor: what does your gcc  say?
09.04.05 #       <ariesoft> and,how can i convert my file into .m2v file?
09.04.17 #       <Bagder> ariesoft: it is mentioned on that page as well
09.04.18 #       <Zagor> Bagder: plain gcc is 4.1.2
09.04.24 #       <Zagor> sh-elf is 3.3.6
09.04.33 #       <Bagder> Zagor: but what "sub version" is your plain gcc?
09.04.39 #       <ariesoft> oh sure
09.04.41 #       <Zagor> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)
09.05.04 #       <Bagder> yeah, it seems this is a gcc thing they've restored back to previous functionality rather recently
09.05.13 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Unrelated to the current topic, but please update your sh-elf-gcc ...
09.05.23 #       <Zagor> amiconn: yes, i'm on it
09.06.02 #       <amiconn> Just 4.0.3 with the rockbox patch. No esoteric newlib workaround anymore
09.06.11 #       <Bagder> I guess the #if kludge needs fixing, or we just ask all gcc 4.1.x users to use a more recent 4.1.2...
09.07.12 #       <ariesoft> yes,just use vlc
09.08.02 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Removing the kludge fixes the warning
09.08.03 #       <amiconn> s
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09.08.20 #       <Bagder> yes, but it still make the earlier 4.1.x compilers warn
09.08.38 #       <Bagder> but I guess we can just remove it and ask people to avoid those compiler versions
09.08.49 #       <amiconn> Did 4.1.1 warn as well?
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09.09.21 #       <amiconn> I guess it didn't...
09.09.35 #       <Bagder> I don't think I tested with that
09.09.53 #       <Bagder> I tested 4.0.x versus 4.1.x but I guess I had a 4.1.2 at the time
09.10.21 #       <amiconn> ...which isn't final
09.10.27 #       <antil33t> hmm
09.10.32 #       <Bagder> right, but we use it all over
09.12.04 #       <amiconn> I'd say we should remove the kludge, and ask build server operators to either upgrade to the latest, or run gcc release 4.1.1 or earlier
09.12.12 #       <Bagder> I agree
09.13.11 #       <JdGordon> w00t! my settings fiddling is maybe 40% complete and even with lots of dead code still compiling i am 2600bytes down on cvs on the h300 :)
09.14.04 #       <amiconn> I wouldn't care about the temporary warnings too much, perhaps just place a comment below the build table that warnings in synth.c for simulator builds are due to a bug in earlier development snapshots of gcc 4.1.2
09.14.28 #       <Quazgaa> JdGordon: have you ever tried massaging your own anus
09.14.50 #       <JdGordon> Quazgaa: what the fuck are you on?
09.14.56 #       <Bagder> Quazgaa: drop that
09.14.59 #       <Quazgaa> im high on life
09.15.31 #       <Quazgaa> hardened geeks are no fun :)
09.16.01 #       <Bagder> we're not here for the fun
09.16.07 #       <Bagder> we're here for all the money and chicks
09.16.30 #       <Quazgaa> well that sound worthwhile also
09.16.48 #       * perplexity looks around and spots neither money, nor chicks.. 
09.17.01 #       <Bagder> damn, I'
09.17.05 #       <Bagder> ve been fooled!
09.17.25 #       <JdGordon> welcome to the internet.. where men are men, women are men, and little girls are fbi agents
09.17.32 #       <JdGordon> ^ best irc quit message ever :D
09.17.52 #       <Quazgaa> so by that logic there is still an outside chance little girls could be girls
09.18.03 #       <antil33t> 0.0
09.18.11 #       <perplexity> more likely fat sweaty men.. but it's an outside chance..
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09.20.48 #       <Quazgaa> so you guys use gcc 4.1 to build rockbox ?
09.21.04 #       <Bagder> only simulators
09.21.23 #       <Bagder> we mostly use 4.0.x for target builds
09.23.00 #       <Quazgaa> ok
09.23.52 #       <Quazgaa> i ordered my very first portable the other day, yet to arrive: an iaudio x5l
09.24.25 #       <Quazgaa> i was looking through the manual for x5 rockbox and i noticed the section on installing the bootloader was missing?
09.24.44 #       <Bagder> Quazgaa: yeah, try the one in the wiki
09.25.04 #       <Quazgaa> ok
09.27.03 #       * theli_ua finally figured out what was causing his 'codec failure' ....
09.28.16 #       <Quazgaa> hah..on the rockbox news page there is something about people attacking your site
09.28.20 #       <Quazgaa> corporate goons you suppose?
09.28.38 #       <Bagder> nah, just ordinary script kiddies and spammers
09.28.55 #       <Quazgaa> ah
09.29.20 #       <Bagder> the companies just send us threatening letters
09.31.02 #       <dwihno> They do? Such as?
09.31.20 #       <Bagder> such as AT&T
09.31.25 #       <Bagder> for the voice font stuff
09.31.38 #       <Bagder> such as Popcap Games, for the Bejeweled clone
09.31.39 #       <Zagor> we have a news page?
09.31.49 #       <Bagder> Zagor: the front page
09.31.51 #       <dwihno> Bagder: pretty silly...
09.31.56 #       <Zagor> oh, that attack
09.32.14 #       <dwihno> I just keep my fingers crossed software patents in the EU won't see the light of day
09.32.38 #       <Zagor> dwihno: there are more effective ways than crossing fingers, you know :)
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09.33.00 #       <Bagder> hey, 1248 rockboxers on the map now!
09.33.20 #       <markun> and growing
09.33.34 #       <Bagder> getting crowded this earth thing
09.33.40 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Yeah, but watching where the world is heading, an extra cross or two won't harm no one
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09.33.54 #       <Quazgaa> so for the X5 rockbox it says power handling is 10% implemented. what does that mean exactly?
09.34.09 #       <Bagder> Quazgaa: not much, the info is quite outdated
09.34.12 #       <linuxstb> Bagder: Any updates on the latest legal issue?
09.34.15 #       <Quazgaa> oh ok
09.34.23 #       <Bagder> linuxstb: its in the hands of Zagor ;-)
09.34.42 #       <JdGordon> whats hthe latest one?
09.34.57 #       <Bagder> not revealed
09.35.01 #       <JdGordon> ok
09.35.34 #       <pondlife> Solitaire has been patented by Microsoft
09.35.45 #       <pondlife> Our cards bounce too naturally now
09.35.50 #       <Bagder> hahaha
09.38.06 #       <Bagder> time to get more coffee
09.38.22 #       <pondlife> I wish I liked coffee.  Need something to help with playback.c
09.38.45 #       <amiconn> beer...
09.38.46 #       <pondlife> Why does the voice queue handler live within a callback rather than the main thread?
09.39.00 #       <pondlife> Great until the callback stops getting called back
09.39.06 #       <pondlife> amiconn: Good idea
09.39.46 #       * pondlife drinks 5 pints and the secrets of playback.c are revealed
09.41.29 #       <pondlife> Hmm, the control of the playback status variables is all mixed up too... mp3_play_data should just post to the queue and not actually set voice_is_playing.
09.42.06 #       <pondlife> Surely only the voice thread should be updating that.
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09.42.43 #       <pondlife> But every fix I make breaks something else horribly, so I obviously don't understand it well enough to modify just yet.
09.49.46 #       <antil33t> anyone know about the buggy acc codec
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09.51.37 #       <linuxstb> antil33t: What's your question?
09.52.24 #       <antil33t> my acc codec skips every 50 or so seconds
09.52.30 #       <antil33t> with rockbox..
09.52.34 #       <linuxstb> Yep...
09.52.43 #       <antil33t> heh.
09.52.55 #       <antil33t> but the mp3 ones are fine and so is flac. they are the 3 formats i use
09.53.00 #       <Bagder> antil33t: fire up your editor and start improving the codec!
09.53.07 #       <antil33t> im no programmer...
09.53.11 #       <Bagder> we'll buy you a beer
09.53.17 #       <antil33t> i dont like beer
09.53.23 #       <antil33t> im underage :D
09.53.24 #       <Bagder> then you can have two
09.53.27 #       <antil33t> im only 16 :D
09.53.34 #       <Bagder> ok, you'll get a lollipop
09.53.38 #       <antil33t> gimme coke
09.53.40 #       <Bagder> :-)
09.53.49 #       <antil33t> and i need an editor.. well im doing programming soon
09.53.51 #       <scorche> i will throw in a cookie
09.54.17 #       <antil33t> but other than that, any idea when rocbox 3 is coming out/
09.54.39 #       <linuxstb> If anyone answers that, they're lying...
09.55.15 #       <Bagder> "rocbox 3" won't happen at all, but "rockbox 3.0" at least has a chance in a future
09.55.20 #       <Bagder> :-)
09.55.30 #       * linuxstb guesses the Fireworks release date is now looking optimistic...
09.55.34 #       <scorche> isnt voice the only requirement left?....or am i mistaken?
09.55.35 #       <Bagder> haha
09.56.03 #       <scorche> yeah...saw in wikipedia that 3.1 is coming out november....we better hurry =)
09.56.08 #       <antil33t> i need anew keyboard :D
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09.56.33 #       <linuxstb> Who's responsible for estimating that release date?
09.56.48 #       <scorche> dont ask me...i just saw it in wikipedia
09.57.41 #       * linuxstb blames those people at devcon - a few beers and they couldn't stop estimating release dates...
09.57.50 #       <Bagder> hehe
09.58.01 #       * Bagder points at Christi
09.58.12 #       <linuxstb> Oh yes, blame the person who isn't here...
09.58.21 #       <Bagder> good old tradition
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09.59.47 #       <antil33t> heh
10.00.09 #       <antil33t> i tryed running the latest verson of rockbox with jbuild. and it doesnt work... :(
10.00.26 #       <Bagder> http://www.dapreview.net/news.php?item.3604.5 <= Teclast TL-T29
10.00.27 #       <antil33t> i know i can just flog its acc codec.. arent i dumb
10.00.32 #       <Bagder> new Chinese little player
10.00.41 #       <Bagder> telechips TCC770 based it seems
10.01.00 #       <Bagder> plays flac out of the box
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10.07.35 #       <linuxstb> "MPEG1 with 220x176@23 fps" - useful framerate...
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10.09.26 #       <linuxstb> "AVI(Xvid Mpeg4 with 220x176) @ >16 fps" - I wonder what fps it achieves.  Although it's reassuring for mpegplayer that the MPEG1 decoder looks to be significantly faster than the xvid decoder.
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10.10.19 #       <Bagder> yes indeed
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10.13.30 #       <webguest66> hi
10.25.20 #       <markun> hi webguest66
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10.34.26 #       <tucoz> Bagder: regarding the sansa. Are you going to for the Jtag or the MrH route with that? That is, to be able to run a rockbox bootloader.
10.34.39 #       <Bagder> both
10.34.46 #       <tucoz> cool
10.34.54 #       <Bagder> just not much time right now
10.35.08 #       <Bagder> so I'm not doing much personally on this atm
10.35.28 #       <tucoz> that is fine, i think i'll buy one of those myself. i want a rockbox in colour.
10.35.48 #       <dan_a> They're nice little players :)
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10.36.32 #       <scorche> yeah...i found one when i went to a store today...things are different when you get them in your hands =)
10.36.37 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: There's a lot of reverse-engineering to do on the Sansa - LCD driver, flash disk driver, audio driver...  They're all built into the PP5024.
10.36.43 #       * scorche hates the sandisk interface
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10.37.17 #       <Zagor> ahh, sorry about that. updating apache.
10.37.44 #       <Zagor> (I looked for cgiirc in the list of updated packages, but forgot to check for apache)
10.38.04 #       <tucoz> linuxstb: yes of course. but it would be fun to at least participate in some ways on that port.
10.38.29 #       <linuxstb> I'm just saying it's probably the most difficult port so far in terms of lack of available information.
10.38.47 #       <tucoz> ah, it's another PP.
10.39.00 #       <Bagder> and a new PP
10.39.07 #       <Bagder> without ATA etc
10.40.16 #       <tucoz> hrm
10.40.29 #       <linuxstb> And more things than usual are built into the PP5024.  At least for the ipods, we have some common (and documented) chips in addition to the PP.
10.40.43 #       <tucoz> like the audio chip?
10.40.59 #       <linuxstb> Yes, and the pcf50605 power-management/RTC chip.
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10.41.06 #       <Bagder> "Pricing for the PP5024 in quantities of 10,000 units per month was given as US$12.00 per unit."
10.41.13 #       <Bagder> that's not a lot
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10.41.39 #       <Zagor> Bagder: but 10k/month is a lot
10.41.42 #       <Bagder> yeah
10.41.47 #       <tucoz> argh. I think this Sansa deal was a marketing stunt from start to finish
10.41.57 #       <Bagder> but apparently PP will make those little "extra-LCDs" on MS new laptops thingies
10.42.16 #       <Bagder> and there are likely to be lots of 10,000 laptops with those
10.42.44 #       <Bagder> tucoz: I wouldn't call it a "deal" in the first place
10.42.55 #       <tucoz> s/deal/scam
10.43.00 #       <Bagder> haha
10.43.00 #       <Zagor> haha. going from Apple to Microsoft.
10.43.12 #       <Zagor> out of the frying pan and into the fire
10.43.28 #       <Bagder> well, Apple was 80% of their business
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10.43.33 #       <Bagder> and Apple dropped them
10.43.44 #       <Zagor> yeah
10.43.52 #       <Bagder> a harsh situation
10.44.02 #       <tucoz> am i right in that thumb mode is a 16-bit mode in arm processors?
10.44.09 #       <Bagder> btw, here's the URL claiming PP will make those: http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/Trade-show/a/9000000071380.htm
10.44.17 #       <Bagder> tucoz: correct
10.44.24 #       <Bagder> 16bit instruction mode
10.44.29 #       <tucoz> yep
10.44.41 #       <tucoz> like 8086
10.45.10 #       <Bagder> whoa, don't bring up bad memories
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10.45.33 #       <tucoz> sorry
10.46.09 #       <Bagder> "iPod Nano chip shipments comprise 70 percent of our 2007 revenue forecast for PortalPlayer."
10.47.55 #       <webguest79> Maybe PP will be forced to open up a bit now that their main source of income is gone?
10.48.12 #       <Bagder> who'd force them?
10.48.45 #       <Bagder> and if they truly are used for that Preface tech, I'd say they have some new fine income flying in
10.49.30 #       <webguest79> I don't know. The desperate nedd for new customers i.e. financial realities? I'm just wishing ...
10.49.37 #       <webguest79> need even
10.49.56 #       <Bagder> well, I don't see how they will get lots of new deals by opening up
10.49.59 #       <Bagder> I wish I could
10.55.02 #       <webguest79> I just feel that it will be very hard to get a solid sw for PP based players when it's all based on guesswork :-( No matter how hard you reverse engineer something there still will always be some things you just don't know.
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10.56.00 #       <Bagder> true
10.56.09 #       <Bagder> but all targets have guess works
10.56.21 #       <Bagder> just a varying amount
10.57.00 #       <webguest79> And PP5024 will have about the most.
10.57.20 #       <Bagder> why would it have more than the other PP chips in the long run?
10.57.56 #       <Bagder> and by that I mean loooong
10.58.27 #       <webguest79> More integrated components (I consider all RE'd stuff to be a bit of guesswork).
10.58.49 #       <Bagder> but the existing PP chips have been RE'd from the ground up too
10.59.17 #       <Bagder> but I guess it doesn't matter much
10.59.23 #       <Bagder> if it works, it works
10.59.56 #       <preglow> so the pp5024 differs a bit from 5022 and co?
10.59.59 #       <webguest79> Yes, but does it e.g. save as much power as it could?
11.00.07 #       <antil33t> i really need to get around to making my own themes
11.00.37 #       <Bagder> preglow: yeps, seems bit different at some aspects at least
11.00.38 #       <webguest79> With e.g. wolfson codec you can seen the power states in the documentation. With PP5024 you are limited to what you can guess based on some RE work.
11.01.02 #       <Bagder> PP power states in the wolfson docs?
11.01.17 #       <webguest79> No, power states of the codec.
11.01.37 #       <webguest79> If the codec is closed, you'll have to RE that too.
11.01.52 #       <markun> webguest79: you make it sound as if we don't want PP documentation..
11.01.53 #       <Bagder> and btw, RE does give you a lot more than "guesses" in many cases
11.02.26 #       <Bagder> bbl
11.03.43 #       <webguest79> markun: No, I just fear that PP based ports will not reach their full potential due to the lack of docs.
11.04.06 #       <markun> Yes, that's possible
11.04.15 #       <markun> but not much to do about that
11.04.26 #       <webguest79> true
11.04.31 #       <Bagder> I hope for docs leaking out at some point
11.06.55 #       <webguest79> Yeah, and in the meantime everybody just has to chip in and start RE'ing the code :-)
11.07.08 #       <LinusN> unfortunately, i believe not even the DAP manufacturers receive PP docs on the hardware/register level
11.07.16 #       <preglow> not impossible
11.07.38 #       <Bagder> true, they prolly get a higher level API of some sorts
11.07.43 #       <LinusN> yup
11.07.57 #       <crashd> there's a PP devkit, afaik
11.08.11 #       <preglow> binary only, with any luck
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11.12.32 #       <tucoz> It's called Digital Media Firmware Developers Kit
11.12.44 #       * tucoz is reading the pp5024 product brief
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11.12.58 #       <preglow> i'll never understand why people like that don't distribute specs
11.13.32 #       <preglow> only thing i can think of is to prevent other companies from making clones
11.13.46 #       <preglow> but i bet that's not exactly a big roadblock if you're a company with money
11.14.21 #       <tucoz> I think that is the number one reason. PP must have a quite large market share these days
11.15.06 #       <tucoz> all sorts of players, from the ipods to more obscure brands use their chip. I guess that wouldn't be the case if there were cheaper clones.
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11.38.11 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> hello. I kjust killed the HD on my H-120 is it easy to get a new one?
11.38.25 #       <LinusN> yes it is
11.38.36 #       <LinusN> how did you kill it?
11.38.55 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> floor called
11.39.11 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> iut was the 200th time so it's ok I guess ;)
11.39.19 #       <LinusN> :_)
11.39.44 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> so I hust buy a new and insert it ?
11.39.57 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> don't need any software and shit?
11.40.23 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> is that in a rom chip or somthing?
11.40.45 #       <LinusN> just replace the hard drive and you're set
11.41.00 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> cool :)
11.41.29 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> do you by any chance know the cheapest place to get a hd ? 40gb schoud work with my 120 right?
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11.44.21 #       <LinusN> Mordov|hardlywo: i have no idea
11.44.46 #       <LinusN> make sure you buy a single-platter 1.8" hd
11.45.10 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> yapp, but I'm pretty surten 40gb is singel-platter
11.46.17 #       <markun> Mordov|hardlywo: there are also dual platter 40gb hd's
11.46.51 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> ok, but does anyone know that singel-platter 40Gb will work on my h-120?
11.47.08 #       <markun> MK4007GAL will work
11.47.51 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> ok that is the seriel number of a thosiba disk ?
11.48.18 #       <Zagor> it it is the right size and has the right connector, it will work
11.49.07 #       <markun> Mordov|hardlywo: http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/storage/japanese/spec/spec2.htm
11.49.17 #       <markun> only the 1.8" 5mm drives will work
11.50.54 #       <markun> http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/storage/japanese/spec/spec.htm
11.51.52 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> thanks :)
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12.13.57 #       <JdGordon> woot! nearly 30kb of dead code removed :D
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12.15.46 #       <JdGordon> .. or my maths is really bad.. i mean 18kb
12.19.07 #       <markun> JdGordon: what did you do?
12.19.42 #       <JdGordon> removed settings_menu.c and main_menu.c and heaps from settings.c and replaced it all
12.20.29 #       * JdGordon wonders if the saving is this big on archos if amiconn will volunteer to hurry the patch up :D
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12.27.07 #       <JdGordon> amiconn: fyi, so far, about 11kb reduction on fmrecorder
12.27.14 #       <JdGordon> .. on the .bin and .elf
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12.32.23 #       <preglow> what about coldfire?
12.32.35 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: Does your code handle callbacks yet?
12.32.57 #       <JdGordon> amiconn: no, im not 100% sure how to go about them
12.33.10 #       <JdGordon> preglow: colfire is 18k
12.34.27 #       <amiconn> Iirc there are 3 kinds of settings: 'Live' settings which directly modify global_settings, 'live' settings which need a callback, and delayed settings which need to call a function after accepting the new value
12.35.03 #       <JdGordon> 1st and 3rd are working (well the 3rd almost works correctly)
12.35.10 #       <JdGordon> im adding the callback stuff now..
12.35.37 #       <JdGordon> should i send a diff to the dev ml? is anyone interested?
12.36.55 #       <preglow> well, in the chance that anyone is, it doesn't hurt to cook up a fast patch
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12.39.13 #       <amiconn> I would think adding the callback type could be done by extending  union storage_type  with a function pointer type, and adding F_T_CALLBACK
12.40.04 #       <amiconn> Hmm, or perhaps make it a separate flag
12.41.00 #       <JdGordon> yes, i dont tihnk there is any simple way but adding another variable to the struct.. but I have callbakcs for the the indiivdual settings and each menu to figure out also :p
12.43.21 #       <preglow> haha
12.43.35 #       <preglow> sounds like it's a bit early to start counting bytes saved yet
12.43.52 #       <JdGordon> yes and no..
12.44.11 #       <JdGordon> having a big byte saving early means more chance it will work.. :D
12.45.46 #       <preglow> ipod rockbox is almost 400k
12.45.48 #       <preglow> blast that arm cpu
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12.47.37 #       <KoCb0> anyone to know how to solve my problem
12.47.38 #       <KoCb0> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6317.0
12.48.25 #       <amiconn> preglow: I blame -ffunction-sections for that
12.49.25 #       <preglow> i blame long calls...
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12.51.02 #       <amiconn> I should finish my tests for removing -ffunction-sections.
12.51.39 #       <preglow> indeed you should
12.51.42 #       <preglow> that would be great
12.51.47 #       <amiconn> I already had it working; need to remember which special gcc option it requires, then test with different arm-elf-gcc versions
12.52.58 #       <amiconn> Iiuc removing -ffunction-sections should make it easier to adapt the profiling result extraction script
12.54.38 #       <preglow> why?
12.55.05 #       <amiconn> Iirc lostlogic mentioned that the hardest part is the different .map file layout
12.55.43 #       <amiconn> But most of the layout differences is because of -ffunction-sections
12.57.44 #       <JdGordon> menu callbacks seem to be working :) time for options callbacks
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12.59.09 #       * amiconn vaguely remembers that one of the options had to do with 'sibling calls'
13.01.14 #       <preglow> optimize-sibling-calls?
13.01.45 #       <preglow> doesn't look like gcc 4.2 will introduce too much new goodness
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13.11.15 #       <amiconn> preglow: It probably was -fno-optimize-sibling-calls
13.11.23 #       * amiconn will search the logs
13.11.25 #       <preglow> hmm
13.11.29 #       <preglow> where is the ffmpeg aac codec?
13.11.36 #       <preglow> i can't find it in svn
13.15.13 #       <markun> preglow: one moment..
13.15.32 #       <markun> http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/aac/
13.16.26 #       <markun> SoC logs: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/soc2006/
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13.28.03 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> does anyone know of a place they sel the 40gb single platter to toshiba?
13.28.16 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> MK4007GAL
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13.37.48 #       <markun> Mordov|hardlywo: TO Toshiba? ;)
13.38.50 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> from sorry :)
13.38.58 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I just can't find it
13.39.07 #       <markun> try to search misticriver.net maybe
13.40.52 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> ok :)�
13.42.42 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> what disk does the h-140 use?
13.42.56 #       <Bagder> dual-platter
13.43.29 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> ah
13.44.33 #       <LinusN> has anyone tried the hitachi c4k60 series?
13.48.16 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> hmm does anyone know if someone actualy have managed to buy a MK4007GAL
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13.55.59 #       <markun> Mordov|hardlywo: I don't know, but search some forums
13.56.09 #       <markun> you are probably not the first one to try this
13.56.30 #       <markun> also ipod forums maybe
13.58.13 #       <amiconn> Looks like the C4K60 uses a different connector type (either a very small 40-pin "ZIF" connector, or a 2.5" compatible ATA connector across the long side
13.59.26 #       <markun> Yes, they are completely different from the Toshiba drives
14.03.32 #       * barrywardell likes the new vector h10 drawings for the manual :)
14.03.57 #       <Bagder> indeed, they're supernice
14.06.17 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> mistickriver says that people have uppgraded to 40gb and that the MK4007GAL is not for sale yett.... it makes me confucd ;)
14.06.28 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> maby they have fitted dual platter hd's----
14.06.37 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> might work woth some bending ;)
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14.07.15 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> my battery might be opn it's way to be external ;)
14.07.34 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> a 60gb dualplatter will work technicaly right?
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14.10.00 #       <markun> Mordov|hardlywo: not in a single platter player like you have..
14.10.08 #       <markun> 30GB will work
14.13.03 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> but I have seen posts abaout people uppgrading their 120 to 40GB.,,, that is imposible without using dual platter og the MK4007GAL witch seems is not in sale
14.14.25 #       <markun> Do you have a post for me?
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14.14.39 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I'm trying to find it back :)
14.15.30 #       <markun> I put a new battery in h120 which is about 1.5mm bigger than the original and already had problems (and the dual platter disk adds 3mm)
14.17.50 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I would put my batteri outside if I did a 60gb mod,,,
14.18.07 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I realy want the 40gb but I also realy need my player to work ;)
14.18.14 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> it dioed a few houers ago
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14.20.37 #       <markun> Mordov|hardlywo: I found a store for you: http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productListing4C.html?cat1=007&cat2=222&cat3=000&treeName=HARDWARE&Level1=Festplatten&Level2=IDE&Level3=1%2C8+Zoll&#Toshiba
14.21.56 #       <markun> unfortunately it looks like the MK4008GAH is 8mm
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14.22.46 #       <amiconn> markun: It definitely is
14.23.07 #       <amiconn> GAH means dual platter
14.23.15 #       <amiconn> GAL is single platter
14.23.28 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> found the post
14.23.30 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=41843&highlight=MK4007GAL
14.23.33 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> last opne here
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14.34.56 #       <dedRasta> From where can I load ROCKboxH300Experimental-200603121400-v1.06.zip?
14.35.32 #       <Bagder> don't ask us
14.35.42 #       <Bagder> ask the creator of the build
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14.36.53 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> so can anyone just say Yes mordov you can add a 60gb hdd to your 120, it will be to big for the case but it will work technicaly....
14.37.05 #       <dedRasta> Thanks
14.37.08 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I want't to order one NOW :)
14.37.42 #       <Bagder> Yes mordov you can add a 60gb hdd to your 120, it will be to big for the case but it will work technicaly
14.38.06 #       <Bagder> you just need lots of tape to keep it together
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14.38.14 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> :)
14.38.27 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I was thinking of taking the battry outside..
14.38.42 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> do anyone see any problems with that?
14.39.30 #       <bluebrother> then you'll need lots of tape to attach the battery :)
14.40.07 #       <Bagder> Mordov|hardlywo: if you're not gonna have it portable anymore, then why bother messing with a portable?
14.40.25 #       <bluebrother> btw, the battery has pretty short cables so most probably you'll run into problems with that approach. There's a battery replacement page on the misticriver wiki
14.40.38 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> :) I always use the black cover that came with it... probably the reaso it have survied the other 200 times  I have dropepd it ;)
14.41.03 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I will have it portable ;) just fit the baterie outside
14.41.08 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> to make room inside ;)
14.41.08 #       <Bagder> yes, but you have a case _and_ cover now
14.41.12 #       <markun> Mordov|hardlywo: I think it will work fine
14.41.48 #       <daurnimator> hey
14.41.49 #       <daurnimator> how can you transfer money internationaly?
14.42.01 #       <bluebrother> I don't see there any room in the cover for the battery.
14.42.15 #       <bluebrother> daurnimator, PayPal?
14.42.22 #       <bluebrother> (never used it myself)
14.42.26 #       <daurnimator> whats their commision?
14.42.30 #       <Bagder> daurnimator: paypal, SWIFT, notes in an envelope...
14.42.33 #       <markun> bluebrother: if a H140 fits in the cover a H120+battery will also fit I think
14.42.42 #       <daurnimator> Bagder: different currencys
14.42.43 #       <daurnimator> :P
14.42.46 #       <daurnimator> whats SWIFT?
14.42.55 #       <Bagder> ask google
14.43.22 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> <bluebrother> I can add a normal siced screwdriver inside behind the player so I guess it schoud be enough room :)
14.43.28 #       <Bagder> its an association of banks for doing international money transfers
14.43.37 #       <bluebrother> markun, my case fits pretty tightly. No place for an additional battery.
14.43.43 #       <Bagder> but banks outside of Europe tend to not participate
14.44.12 #       <Bagder> US banks are notoriously bad for example
14.44.21 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> MK6008GAH this is the one I order right?
14.44.22 #       <daurnimator> well
14.44.23 #       <Bagder> you tend to end up with a stupid check
14.44.33 #       <daurnimator> i need to go from australia to usa
14.45.30 #       <bluebrother> ok, with a pretty heavy amount of force I can push in my old battery between case and cover. But it needs quite an amount of force
14.45.46 #       <bluebrother> And I don't know how much LiIon batteries like that ...
14.46.09 #       <bluebrother> btw, on misticriver forums some guy managed to fit a double platter drive into a h120.
14.46.18 #       <bluebrother> Maybe you should search for his post.
14.47.39 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I have been searching alot in that forum... can find a post abaout one actualy fitting a dual platetr to a 120
14.48.48 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I can put my batterie out side without using mutch force
14.48.56 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> you have that black skin thing riight?
14.49.11 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> my might have become biogger after 2,5 yeares of use ;)
14.49.56 #       <bluebrother> no, I have the champagne.
14.50.48 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> ok might make the difference :)
14.51.06 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> jsut to ask agein :) this is the one to order right? MK6008GAH
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14.53.27 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> do h-120 use zif or ata 50pin ? :)
15.03.05 #       <Arathis> linuxstb_: is it a known bug that when playing a video that doesn't fit exactly to the screen (a 160x120 video on a H10 160x128 screen for me) the last line is streched to the bottom of the screen?
15.04.53 #       <amiconn> 160x120 is not a supported resoltion for mpeg video
15.05.02 #       <amiconn> Width and height must be integer multiples of 16
15.06.29 #       <daurnimator> and 4/3
15.08.17 #       <Arathis> 160x120 is 4/3
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15.08.33 #       <amiconn> 120 is not an integer multiple of 16
15.08.38 #       <Arathis> i know
15.08.44 #       <amiconn> daurnimator: 4:3 is not a requirement
15.09.31 #       <Arathis> but which would be a good resolution for a 160x128 screen and 4/3?
15.10.05 #       <amiconn> Just use 160x128
15.10.18 #       <Bagder> 160x128 is even 16 and 4:3
15.10.26 #       <Arathis> but than it would be streched alittle
15.10.37 #       <Bagder> not if the original is 4:3
15.10.44 #       <daurnimator> ...
15.10.52 #       <Arathis> 160x128 isnt 4/3
15.10.53 #       <daurnimator> Bagder: 160x128 isn't 4:3
15.11.00 #       * Bagder can't count
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15.11.13 #       <daurnimator> 160x120 is though
15.11.14 #       <daurnimator> ;)
15.11.21 #       <bluebrother> why don't you just add a 8px black border?
15.11.28 #       <Arathis> 144x108 would fit
15.11.36 #       <bluebrother> if you actually would see the stretch ...
15.12.08 #       <daurnimator> YAY
15.12.12 #       <daurnimator> i love my screen
15.12.13 #       <daurnimator> ;)
15.12.15 #       <daurnimator> 220x176
15.12.17 #       <amiconn> You have 3 options: (1) live with the stretching. (2) Add black vertical bars at the top & bottom (4 px each). (3) Scale the video up a little bit, and cut the left & right edges
15.12.21 #       <Arathis> bluebrother: how can I do this? can I edit the mencoder line for ancoding to m2v to do that?
15.12.24 #       <bluebrother> maybe adding 4px at the top and 4 at the bottom ...
15.12.37 #       <daurnimator> wai
15.12.37 #       <daurnimator> t
15.12.41 #       <daurnimator> its not anything
15.12.42 #       <daurnimator> ;)
15.12.43 #       <amiconn> Ahem, horizontal bars of course
15.12.46 #       <bluebrother> Arathis, I have no idea how to do this with mencoder or vlc but I'm sure it is possible
15.12.48 #       <daurnimator> not 16  -OR 4:#
15.12.48 #       <daurnimator> :P
15.12.53 #       <daurnimator> *4:3
15.15.56 #       <webguest66> is it legal to sell code build with gcc ? (I guess yes but was wondering)
15.16.30 #       <preglow> of course
15.16.51 #       <preglow> you can sell it, whip it, send it into outer space or stuff it up your nose
15.17.45 #       <TrueJournals> Stuff it up your nose???
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15.18.07 #       <KoCb0> on some movies when start .bat file and DragDrop the .avi file into the VLC player only a file named "stream-0-u8" (or "stream-0-mpga") is created and no ".m2v" file. This is only with some movies not all of them.
15.18.21 #       <KoCb0> any ideas?
15.21.10 #       <preglow> TrueJournals: if one is thusly inclined
15.22.03 #       <TrueJournals> lol
15.25.17 #       <markun> KoCb0: no idea
15.25.34 #       <KoCb0> :/
15.27.02 #       <markun> maybe it dumps the first stream from the mpeg file and in some files this is the audio and not the video track?
15.27.15 #       <markun> .. from the avi file
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15.35.54 #       <preglow> so, did anything happen about this new legal threat?
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15.38.58 #       <KoCb0> markun: and to know how not to happen so ?
15.39.14 #       <theli_ua> what can be the cause when rb->read doesn't returns at all ? i.e. plugin just stops .....
15.40.30 #       <amiconn> theli_ua: Wrong pointer, causing the read to overwrite something vital...
15.40.37 #       <theli_ua> oops... nevermind
15.40.59 #       <theli_ua> i already figured out ... wrong FD
15.43.26 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> I'm trying to buy a 60gn HDD and wounders what ata it has to be
15.43.39 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> MK6006GAH I have seen ein both ata 5 and ata 6
15.43.54 #       <Mordov|hardlywo> what would I need for my h-120
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15.46.05 #       <Arathis> bluebrother, daurnimator, amiconn: there is an "expand" option for mencoder, but I can't find out how to use it in the cmdline :/
15.47.13 #       <dan_a> preglow: Why the idiot hat?
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15.55.23 #       <preglow> dan_a: the usual reason, coding like a fool
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16.01.17 #       <dionoea> hi
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16.15.21 #       <Mmmm> I suppose its common knowledge that CVS doesnt compile for the FMRecorder is it? or is it my set-up?
16.17.45 #       <Mmmm> I get one of these: sh-elf/4.0.3/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is full
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16.19.02 #       <dan_a> Mmmm: That's happening on all the builds - http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
16.19.29 #       <Mmmm> ahh..good...well, not good but at least it isnt me! :D
16.19.41 #       <dan_a> s/builds/build servers/
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16.23.42 #       <Strogg> Have there been any thoughts to getting the speex codec to work?
16.24.53 #       <markun> someone was wokring on it, don't remember who. Maybe preglow knows.
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16.32.17 #       <Arathis> how do I compile a single plugin from the cvs tree?
16.33.57 #       <Bagder> you hack the makefile
16.34.42 #       <Arathis> which one?
16.35.04 #       <Bagder> the one you want to use
16.35.21 #       <Arathis> why do I need to hack it?
16.35.33 #       <Bagder> because there's no "build only one" way
16.35.46 #       <Bagder> so you need to make it
16.36.47 #       <dionoea> someone should add make <module name> targets to the makefile ... but that's extra work :)
16.37.23 #       <Bagder> if someone does it nicely we could indeed add it
16.40.07 #       <Arathis> Bagder: I have no clue about makefiles. especially I want to build rockboy for my H10 cause it isn't included in the bleeding edge builds. so what shall I do?
16.40.24 #       <Bagder> 1 - fix the rockboy source so that it'll work on the h10
16.40.40 #       <Bagder> 2 - edit apps/plugins/SUBDIRS to build it for h10 too
16.40.56 #       <Bagder> 3 - run make
16.40.59 #       <Arathis> oh, it doesn't for the 20gb version, yet? :(
16.42.11 #       * Strogg notices alot of people have an H10/H20
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16.43.05 #       <Arathis> Strogg: not really, but they show up because of the working port now ;)
16.43.26 #       <Bagder> and I believe you can still buy them
16.43.26 #       <Arathis> or did you mean compared to H10/5gb?
16.43.29 #       <Strogg> hehe.. I was wondering.. does the H10 suck so bad that so many people want to hack it? :)
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16.43.44 #       <Bagder> Strogg: which player firmware doesn't?
16.44.08 #       <markun> Arathis: you can also do "make apps/plugins/[plugin].rock"
16.44.12 #       <Strogg> I actually liked the ipod one alot.  just that nasty little bit about lockin that kinda sucked..
16.44.15 #       <Strogg> wet goats..
16.44.21 #       * Strogg stabs itunes.
16.45.01 #       <Bagder> so its neat but sucks? ;-)
16.45.04 #       <markun> Arathis: and replace [plugin] by the name of the plugin you want to compile
16.45.05 #       <Arathis> Strogg: not really, but I for myself like rockbox more and am a little modder ^^
16.46.13 #       <Arathis> markun: there is no .rock file in that dir. and btw rockboy doesn't seem to work on H10 as Bagder said and I have no clue on programming
16.46.43 #       <markun> Arathis: I didn't say there was
16.49.12 #       * theli_ua already got another emulator to post on flyspray later ... colecobox :)
16.50.48 #       <markun> crazy guy :)
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16.53.47 #       <Arathis> amiconn: I don't want to compile the whole rockbox, but only rockboy to put it on my player
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16.55.51 #       <dionoea> you could type make and wait a bit (like 2 minutes max)
16.55.56 #       <Zagor> Arathis: in the time it has taken you to argue about it, you could have compiled it dozens of times
16.55.57 #       <dionoea> you'd already have finished
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16.59.41 #       <markun> hm, "make apps/plugins/rockboy.rock" doesn't work after all
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17.15.58 #       <webguest66> it's fascinating how rockbox can adapt to any dap
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17.18.58 #       <Bagder> yeps, thanks to many keen fingers
17.20.02 #       <Bagder> 0xf00d
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17.39.12 #       <lini> guys
17.39.25 #       <lini> i'm having a slight cygwin installation problem
17.40.11 #       <lini> entered http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/
17.40.27 #       <lini> but i cannot find the devel packages in the list
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17.42.25 #       <lini> aah
17.42.30 #       <lini> there they are, at the bottom
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18.45.57 #       <Arathis> would it be possible to run a flashplayer and/or java runtimes on rockbox?
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18.54.47 #       <wld`away> is the powerhandling of iaudiox5 rockbox still at 10% ?
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18.55.44 #       <Arathis> bluebrother, daurnimator, amiconn: I modified the mencoder cmdline to 'mencoder <input>.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=300  -vf scale=160:120,expand=160:128 -fps 30000/1001 -of rawvideo -nosound -o <output>.m2v' and now it works. I have a fullwidth video and black bars on top and bottom. thanks for helping
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19.05.41 #       <mirak_> Arathis: probably the inconvenient with that is that you also encode the black bars
19.06.36 #       <Arathis> mirak_: what do you mean by that?
19.07.03 #       <mirak_> Arathis: what's the size of your screen in pixel ?
19.07.14 #       <markun> mirak_: but at least he has the correct aspect-ratio
19.07.31 #       <Arathis> 160x128
19.08.10 #       <Arathis> markun: and no linestreching (or what ever this is acutaly called)
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19.08.45 #       <mirak_> Arathis: what command did you used at first ?
19.09.54 #       <mirak_> Arathis: so in fact your screen has a bad ratio ?
19.10.01 #       <amiconn> mirak_: There is no other way if he wants to keep both the 4:3 aspect and the complete frame content
19.10.19 #       <Arathis> mencoder <input>.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=300  -vf scale -zoom -xy 160 -fps 30000/1001 -of rawvideo -nosound -o <output>.m2v
19.10.23 #       <Arathis> as in the wiki
19.10.36 #       * Arathis is afk
19.10.54 #       <mirak_> I think you can fix the width
19.10.57 #       <mirak_> with -y
19.11.08 #       <mirak_> hem the height
19.11.24 #       <mirak_> the with (x) will auto adjust and try to preserve the screen ratio
19.11.34 #       <mirak_> hem the video ratio
19.12.25 #       <mirak_> this should for exemple create a 150*128 pixel video
19.12.32 #       <markun> mirak_: yes, but it will not try to be a multiple of 16..
19.12.51 #       <mirak_> don't know
19.13.16 #       <mirak_> I never cared of that
19.13.49 #       <mirak_> maybe i am lucky
19.14.17 #       <mirak_> now that you say it I think I understand why the video I encoded have something weird at the bottom
19.15.00 #       <mirak_> it's like the last line is replicated multiple times, so it's probably to fill the height to be a multiple of 16
19.15.12 #       <mirak_> markun: you resolved my problem ^^
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19.15.36 #       <markun> :)
19.16.58 #       <ariesoft> I think TMPGEnc is the best software about encode file into .m2v file !
19.19.01 #       <mirak_> it's weird that mplayer doesn't try to autoscale
19.19.09 #       <mirak_> auto expand to a *16.
19.19.25 #       <mirak_> at the way he does it is weird
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19.43.44 #       <mirak_> Arathis: are you there ?
19.46.00 #       <mirak_> mencoder <input> -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=<bitrate>  -vf scale:-10:128 -of rawvideo -nosound -o <filename>.m2v
19.46.09 #       <mirak_> that's the command you should use
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19.49.30 #       <Arathis> mirak_: mencoder *does* autoscale the video, but not to multiples of 16
19.49.56 #       <Arathis> and setting the width down will result in smal video I don't want ;)
19.50.08 #       <mirak_> Arathis: with the parameter I gave it does
19.50.21 #       <mirak_> Arathis: you want to crop the video ?
19.50.38 #       <markun> mirak_: which parameter?
19.50.56 #       <mirak_> -vf scale:-10:128
19.51.11 #       <mirak_> or you can do
19.51.21 #       <mirak_> -vf scale:160:-10
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19.51.41 #       <Arathis> no crop. i'm satisfied with my solution :)
19.51.55 #       <mirak_> Arathis: I asked on mplayer chanell
19.52.08 #       <mirak_> he told me the zoom option was dirty
19.52.16 #       <mirak_> an didn't gave good results visually
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19.52.41 #       <Arathis> I don't use zoom now. I only scale and expand
19.53.09 #       <Arathis> though I mostly have 4/3 videos it works for most of them
19.53.31 #       <mirak_> Arathis: your black borders are on the sides ?
19.54.01 #       <Arathis> top+bottom though I scale to max width of the display
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19.56.58 #       <mirak_> Arathis: I am trying to find the best generic command
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19.59.41 #       <Arathis> mirak_: why should I use a generic cmd if aspectratio and displaysize don't change?
20.00.49 #       <mirak_> because the goal is to make fit any video into <width> <eight>
20.01.38 #       <mirak_> if you choose to fix the <width> maybe the the height will exeed the screen eight
20.01.42 #       <mirak_> and vice versa
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20.02.31 #       <Arathis> if my videos are 4/3 in original then they are 4/3 running my cmdline so no streching and best fitting to the screen
20.02.34 #       <mirak_> Arathis: it's like watching a 16:9 video on a 4:3 screen or 4:3 video on a 16:9 screen
20.02.51 #       <kellyg> can anyone please tell me if the silver 120D can be patched w rockbox (i think the silver one is the british one) ??
20.03.19 #       <bluebrother> kellyg, what do you mean? Iriver h120?
20.03.24 #       <kellyg> yes
20.03.33 #       <kellyg> but it has a D after the 120
20.03.44 #       <bluebrother> should work. AFAIK the "D" version is the same but without remote.
20.03.54 #       <kellyg> ok, thank you
20.03.56 #       <Arathis> mirak_: its not. if I'd have a 16:9 video I'd just change hight and width for it. really simple. although I don't have 16:9 videos as said
20.04.42 #       <bluebrother> also, I'm in germany and mine is champagne (or silver -- don't know how this color is named properly, but it seems to be called "champagne" in most cases)
20.04.56 #       <mirak_> Arathis: if the video is 4:3 I don't see why you need to expand then
20.05.15 #       <Arathis> because my screen isn't 4:3
20.05.28 #       <mirak_> so ?
20.05.42 #       <Arathis> 160x120 would be 4:3, but my display is 160x128
20.06.12 #       <mirak_> expand just add black lines ?
20.06.25 #       <Arathis> yes
20.07.01 #       <mirak_> this works because you know your video is 4:3 but what I want is a command where you don't need to care what the video ratio is
20.08.10 #       <Arathis> would be great, yes, but I hadn't found out where or how to integrate the expand cmd in the wiki cmdline. because of that I decided to make it static for now
20.08.34 #       <Arathis> much quite useless talking we made ;)
20.11.23 #       <mirak_> no because I wanted to fix that problem
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20.11.50 #       <mirak_> we can resolve the two case but not with just one command
20.12.02 #       <mirak_> Arathis: in fact I made the wiki line :)
20.12.14 #       <Arathis> yes, but most of what we said lead to the point we were at the beginning
20.12.25 #       <Arathis> :D
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20.13.51 #       <mirak_> yes but I am chatting about that in some other channel :D
20.14.05 #       <Arathis> so a solution of the whole problam could be scaling the video and converting it to m2v (or do that in the second step) and in a second step expand the scaled file to the actual display size to prevent the annoying bug
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20.33.20 #       <sm00th> hey all
20.33.52 #       <sm00th> man, I messed my nano up again ;) this time, I can't even get into emergency file mode with select+play
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20.38.10 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/scheduler3.patch, now that includes support for blocked processes also. But unfortunately archos iram ran out, so probably some parts need to be put outside iram.. please report back what you would thing about it :)
20.41.36 #       <sm00th> linuxstb, are you around?
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20.49.10 #       <preglow> Slasheri: what's with the unicode.c change? :>
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20.53.19 #       <Slasheri> preglow: ah, that shouldn't have added to the patch at all. It does excactly same thing as before :)
20.53.27 #       <Slasheri> +been
20.55.43 #       <preglow> yeah, i see
20.56.10 #       <preglow> is blocked process support something we really need, btw?
20.57.21 #       <Slasheri> it's just a small addition to the new scheduler.. it makes at least kernel code even more simple and might have little increase to the performance, because now unnecessary task switches have been completely eliminated
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20.59.51 #       <preglow> Slasheri: code size difference from cvs?
20.59.52 #       <Slasheri> for example when process is waiting a queue event without timeout or mutex to lock, it calls block_thread and current thread is removed completely from the scheduler runtime lists
21.00.02 #       <Slasheri> haven't checked that yet
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21.01.00 #       <Slasheri> before that change, sleeping and blocked threads were woken up at every timer tick
21.01.27 #       <Slasheri> now they are kept sleeping until timeout occurs or kernel wakes up the thread
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21.06.34 #       * amiconn wonders what's more time consuming: a simple scheduler with very little overhead, but the threads checking themselves whether they should go to sleep again, or a complex kernel for just avoiding that
21.07.22 #       * amiconn once had a test plugin that measured threading round-trip, i.e. how many scheduling rounds per second were performed
21.07.57 #       <Slasheri> hmm, test plugin would be nice for that
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21.08.28 #       <amiconn> I needed that to find performance problems associated with the peakmeter
21.09.02 #       <amiconn> Iirc I got around 600 rounds (i.e. several thousand thread switches) per second - on archos
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21.10.06 #       <Slasheri> and now it's also easier to debug other problems too. For example if some thread consumes all cpu time, because threads have now 4 different states: running, sleeping, blocked and blocked with timeout (in scheduler this is treat similar with sleeping)
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21.11.17 #       <amiconn> Sounds unnecessarily complex...
21.19.54 #       <mirak_> "cmp.l   #255,%[v]   \n"  /* overflow? */
21.20.05 #       <mirak_> how can this verify values blow 0 ?
21.20.33 #       <mirak_> in CLIP
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21.23.44 #       <amiconn> mirak_: Very simple. The flags used afterwards refer to _unsigned_ comparison, so a negative value is the same as a very high positive value
21.24.05 #       <sm00th> I can't format my nano, fdisk it, or anything at this point
21.24.25 #       <amiconn> The next test that separates between <0 and >255 then uses the flags associated with signed comparison
21.24.33 #       <sm00th> I think I accidntally went into some device mode (select+left) and clicked on reset
21.25.02 #       <sm00th> now I don't have any bootloader it looks like, and no parititions
21.25.09 #       <amiconn> That's what makes this sequence efficient - the flags set by cmp.l are used for 2 different purposes
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21.30.41 #       <mirak_> amiconn: I don't see how it works
21.31.12 #       <amiconn> Check each individual instruction, what flags it sets and what flags it evaluates
21.31.24 #       <amiconn> You can be sure it works 100%
21.31.37 #       <mirak_> I don't see how it can set it to -127
21.31.43 #       <amiconn> ??
21.32.02 #       <amiconn> CLIP clips to 0..255
21.32.14 #       <mirak_> they say the output can be between -384 and 384
21.33.05 #       <mirak_> the output is always unsigned ?
21.33.11 #       <mirak_> I mean always positive
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21.34.22 #       <amiconn> The idct output can be way outside the 0..255 range - if the input data is damaged
21.34.40 #       <amiconn> For valid input data, it can be slightly out of range, due to roundoff errors etc
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21.34.47 #       <fleischen> sup
21.35.02 #       <fleischen> which bootloader do i need for my h10?
21.35.08 #       <mirak_> amiconn: I want to get rid of the asm function for some testings, but the output is green
21.35.33 #       <mirak_> If replace CPU_COLDFIRE by something else it doesn't work
21.35.52 #       <mirak_> I am trying to fall back to how it was before this
21.36.41 #       <amiconn> That's why it needs clipping - if the idct produces e.g. 256 instead of 255, without proper clipping this would map to 0. Result: e.g. black pixels in a white area. Clipping limits to 255, so it stays white
21.37.11 #       <Arathis> fleischen: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/ depends on which player you have: 5/6gb or 20gb
21.37.23 #       <amiconn> You can't just change one single place and expect it to work - there are several places which work to gether in the C version of CLIP()
21.37.43 #       <amiconn> It's basically a huge table lookup, which needs to be initialised properly
21.38.21 #       <mirak_> 	if(value > 255) return 255;
21.38.21 #       <mirak_>     return value;
21.38.29 #       <mirak_> I replaced the asm part with the above code
21.38.40 #       <mirak_> but it doesn't work either
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21.39.17 #       <amiconn> No, you need
21.39.31 #       <amiconn> if (value < 0)  return 0;
21.39.40 #       <amiconn> else if (value > 255) return 255;
21.39.45 #       <amiconn> else return value;
21.39.55 #       <amiconn> Or, the optimised C version:
21.40.18 #       <amiconn> if ((unsigned)value <= 255)  return value;
21.40.33 #       <amiconn> else  return (value < 0) ? 0 : 255;
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21.41.14 #       <fleischen> err
21.41.37 #       <Arathis> fleischen: on H10 5/6gb it also depends if you have MTP or UMS
21.41.44 #       <fleischen> i've got a 6gb h10 - do i need the 'h10' build or the 'h10_5gb'
21.41.55 #       <fleischen> what is mtp/ums?
21.41.57 #       <Arathis> h10.mi4
21.41.59 #       <amiconn> mirak_: Btw, the asm version works almost the same as the optimised C version
21.42.08 #       <Arathis> where did you buy your player?
21.42.35 #       <mirak_> amiconn: I just want to make sure some registers aren't clobered
21.42.42 #       <fleischen> germany
21.42.44 #       <mirak_> well you see
21.42.46 #       <fleischen> mp3-player.de
21.42.52 #       <Arathis> than you have MTP
21.43.00 #       <amiconn> mirak_: see what?
21.43.01 #       <fleischen> okay
21.43.03 #       <Arathis> if it isn't imported
21.43.19 #       <fleischen> i don't think so
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21.44.05 #       <fleischen> now i need the current build of the firmware - do i need the 'h10' build or the 'h10_5gb'
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21.44.44 #       <Arathis> which link?
21.44.53 #       <fleischen> http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
21.44.56 #       <mirak_> amiconn: when I use the asm functions for the idct, the I frame is decoded fine, you can see it when you pause the video. but after that first frame is displayed, some balck or white dots appears at  the bottom up corner of each 8x8 blocks on the screen, then image gets worse, image after image, because that error spreads.
21.45.12 #       <fleischen> the wiki says 'Go to http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml and download the zip file for your model (either 20GB or 5/6GB, it doesn't matter if it is UMS or MTP)'
21.45.12 #       <Terinjokes> hey, is it possible to set up the nano so that i can listen to the same songs on both applefw and rockbox?
21.45.25 #       <Arathis> fleischen: "h10_5gb"
21.45.31 #       <fleischen> okay
21.45.33 #       <amiconn> mirak_: Then you don't handle the dc coefficient correctly.
21.45.35 #       <fleischen> thanks :)
21.45.49 #       <amiconn> ...and the error will cumulate because of the idct_add()
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21.45.57 #       <mirak_> amiconn: then why the first frame is decoded fine and only the first pixel is wrong ?
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21.46.37 #       <amiconn> I can't tell without seeing the code and trying myself
21.46.43 #       <mirak_> and also why can I use a C and a asm function combined ?
21.46.46 #       <Arathis> fleischen: 5gb and 6gb are the same, just the hdd is another size. 20gb is completly other hardware.
21.46.51 #       <amiconn> But I can say that the clipping is definitely not the problem
21.46.55 #       <mirak_> but not both asm
21.47.03 #       <fleischen> okay
21.47.18 #       <Arathis> fleischen: so if you want to use themes/WPS you also need 5gb ones not 20gb
21.47.54 #       <fleischen> yea
21.48.11 #       <fleischen> so, my 6gb one is fine too?
21.48.53 #       <Arathis> for what?
21.49.51 #       <mirak_> amiconn: I am searching
21.49.56 #       <fleischen> for this themes/WPS stuff
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21.50.19 #       <Arathis> yep
21.50.40 #       <fleischen> great :D
21.50.48 #       <fleischen> so.. i'll give it a try
21.51.01 #       <fleischen> thanks for the help :D
21.51.23 #       <Arathis> np
21.51.59 #       <mirak_> you have an h120 or h320 ?
21.52.07 #       <mirak_> amiconn: you have an h120 or h320 ?
21.52.49 #       <amiconn> h140 and h340 (and others)
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21.59.12 #       <preglow> amiconn: in all fairness, the scheduler isn't very complex even after slasheri's patch
21.59.16 #       <Arathis> is there a way to get file properties within rockbox. like filesize for example. I can't find something in the conext menu
21.59.28 #       <preglow> but i agree completely. if we can't find a good reason to use it, we shouldn't commit it
22.00.33 #       <mirak_> amiconn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/luAkDE96.html
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22.00.57 #       <mirak_> amiconn: there is maybe one dumb move I do somewhere I can't see
22.01.13 #       <mirak_> you can use the file as it
22.03.23 #       <ep0ch_> is it possible for someone to upload an ihp build with the scheduler patch applied? i have problems with tracks buffering using my builds...:s
22.05.35 #       <mirak_> amiconn: if you remove the +2048 and +65536 you got the same bahavior in the methods. This number are equivalent to add 0,5 to all the dots of the final result. they do that at the begining to avoid doing 8 addiction of 0,5.
22.05.57 #       <mirak_> you should see this numbers in the code for block[0] = ...
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22.09.04 #       <sm00th> when are people in here usually who can help with a nano?
22.10.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Randomly
22.11.09 #       <sm00th> hmm, I got a cyclic redundancy check error
22.11.16 #       <sm00th> ouch
22.12.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Was there a question associated with that?
22.12.15 #       <sm00th> yeah
22.12.20 #       <sm00th> I've been asking all day ;)
22.12.32 #       <ep0ch_> what were you doing to get the error?
22.12.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You still haven't given me your actual question...
22.12.46 #       <sm00th> I don't seem to have a bootloader on my ipod anymore
22.12.55 #       <sm00th> here's what happened
22.13.03 #       <mirak_> so will you give it a look soon ? I am going to watch a movie
22.13.31 #       <sm00th> I *think* the causse of my problems started when I held select+left and clicked on reset
22.13.41 #       <sm00th> since then, I don't seem to have my bootloader or any partitions
22.13.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Have you actually researched what that function does?
22.14.03 #       <sm00th> I can't "see" the drive in windows under disk management
22.14.14 #       <sm00th> and I can't see the drive when I use fdisk in linux, either
22.14.41 #       <sm00th> no, I haven't researched it. I didn't intend to even be in that menu. I just clicked it on accident trying to leave
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22.15.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, usually the first thing one should do is ask the question "What did I just do" and attempt to find an answer.
22.15.17 #       <sm00th> that's what I've been trying to do
22.15.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> For example, a quick google search revealed to me that the "Reset" option in the diagnostic menu is actually just a test to see if your iPod can reset.
22.15.42 #       <sm00th> then it's irrelevent
22.16.01 #       <sm00th> doesn't change the fact that I can't access my ipod, don't have any paritions anymore, and can't format the drive
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22.16.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's not irrelevant that you didn't bother to even Google before coming here, which is pretty much common courtesy, since I found that with simply the phrase ipod diagnostic'
22.16.40 #       <Terinjokes> is it possible to play the same songs in the applefw and rockbox?
22.16.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Anyway, what have you tried to fix it?
22.16.50 #       <sm00th> like I said, that's just when the problem started. I didn't say it was because I did that. the issue is that I have CRC err
22.16.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Terinjokes: Yes.
22.16.55 #       <mirak_> amiconn: may you try idct.c file soon ? I am going to watch a movie
22.16.58 #       <sm00th> I did search the rockbox forums
22.17.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: Why did you search the Rockbox forums for an error with the Apple firmware?
22.17.17 #       <sm00th> wtf
22.17.20 #       <Terinjokes> i had it for a while, but suddenly all the songs disappeared from the applefw
22.17.22 #       <sm00th> I'm not using apple's firmware
22.17.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The diagnostic mode is part of theirs.
22.18.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Terinjokes: Okay, if you had it before, why were you asking if it was possible? What did you do immediately before the change?
22.18.04 #       <sm00th> jesus christ, sometimes people in here are dense AND rude. I can understand one or the other, lol
22.18.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: What did I say that was "dense?"
22.19.07 #       <sm00th> well, first of all, I never attributed the problem I'm having with clicking on "reset" but you feel the need to talk down to me because I didnt google that one function
22.19.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "I *think* the causse of my problems started when I held select+left and clicked on reset"
22.19.42 #       <sm00th> *think*
22.19.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The use of the word "cause" there strongly implies that you attribute causation to that action.
22.20.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If you hadn't used the word cause, then of course, I wouldn't think that you thought it *caused* the action, only that it *started* then
22.20.13 #       <sm00th> no, it just happened coincendtally at that time. Do you know the difference between correclation and causation?
22.20.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> YOU used the word cause
22.20.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That was a quote from you
22.20.23 #       <sm00th> lol
22.20.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Scroll up
22.20.30 #       <Terinjokes> while right after i installed rockbox i checked the applefw, they were all there, then using rockbox for a day, they are gone in teh applefw
22.20.32 #       <sm00th> obviously you don't know the difference
22.20.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm perfectly familiar with correlation/causation.
22.20.40 #       <sm00th> no, obviously you're not
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22.20.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Wait, so you misdiagnose it as a cause, and I'm at fault?
22.20.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> How does that work?
22.20.50 #       <sm00th> because I didn't say the cause was due to me clicking on it
22.20.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I was the one who was trying to convince YOU that it wasn't a cause after YOU said it was
22.21.06 #       <sm00th> the cause of it happened at that time.
22.21.07 #       <sm00th> LMAO
22.21.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "(3:12:45 PM) sm00th: I *think* the causse of my problems started when I held select+left and clicked on reset"
22.21.15 #       <sm00th> this is the "dense" part  I'm referring to
22.21.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The "causse of my problems"
22.21.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Your words
22.21.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Including spelling errors
22.21.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not mine
22.21.31 #       <sm00th> hahaha
22.21.32 #       <Terinjokes> and sure enough, booted itunes, it reports that they are all there, but can't play in applefw
22.21.45 #       <sm00th> ok, so get off your kick. yeah, your e-pen is larger than mine.
22.22.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> All I'm saying is that you're applying blame for me over the fact that you can't seem to properly express your ideas.
22.22.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I never once said it was the cause of your problems
22.22.06 #       <sm00th> now, on to the fact that I can't access the ipod with fdisk
22.22.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I tried to establish clearly that it wasn't
22.22.20 #       <sm00th> yeah, ok cool. good on you.
22.22.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And because of that you call me dense, for actually reading what you said, instead of what you meant.
22.22.31 #       <sm00th> now move on and either help or keep arguing in circles
22.22.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm sorry, but is it "dense" that I can't read minds?
22.22.44 #       <sm00th> no, that's not even what I was referring to when I said dense
22.22.52 #       <sm00th> yeah, it's dense that you can't move on
22.23.10 #       <sm00th> that you seem stuck on this one portion of what I was describing
22.23.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's not dense, that's stubborn.
22.23.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm irritated that when I actually tried to offer you help, you chose to attack me instead of ignoring my tone and dealing with it.
22.23.35 #       <sm00th> in general, when I go to a help forum, and ask for help, I explain all the steps I took before I experienced the problem
22.23.38 #       <Terinjokes> ok, removed all songs from ipod using itunes, going to send over an album, lets see what happens
22.23.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: The thing is, this is a "Rockbox" channel, not a "iPod Help Forum"
22.23.48 #       <sm00th> regardless of whether it's related
22.24.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: Yes, and if you attempt to attribute cause to a step, my first action will be to try to determine if you're right. Which is what I did.
22.24.22 #       <sm00th> no, what you did was attack me personally for not googling one particular step when I was simply describing a series of steps I had done and now I have an error. common helpdesk =technique
22.24.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You said you thought step X caused your problems, I explained what Step X did.
22.24.46 #       <sm00th> lol, that was just my first sentence. and now here we are ten minutes later and I haven't even finished explaining what I did
22.24.52 #       <sm00th> no, I didn't say that paul
22.25.00 #       <sm00th> but you are too dense to realize that and too stubborn to let it go
22.25.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What *did* you say?
22.25.07 #       <ep0ch_> can you guys like take this offline?
22.25.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Does the word "causse" mean something different than "cause" then?
22.25.19 #       <sm00th> i said, I think the cause started *here*
22.25.27 #       <Terinjokes> ok, unplugged the ipod after sending over the album, nothing listed in applefw, any ideas on whats wrong?
22.25.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You said you think the cause of your PROBLEMS
22.25.42 #       <sm00th> and before i got to step two of what I did, you started us on this asinine discussion of whether I googled something
22.25.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There's a rather unique difference in what you said and what you're claiming to have said.
22.26.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, please, explain the rest of what you did.
22.26.05 #       <sm00th> yeah, well since this is logged everyone can see your ridiculous semantics
22.26.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But remember again: this is a Rockbox channel. Your problem isn't actually with Rockbox, but rather Apple's software/hardware.
22.26.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Semantics are the foundation of language
22.26.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Since I can't read minds, I can only read what you said
22.26.33 #       <Terinjokes> (me takes that cue as well)
22.26.37 #       <sm00th> I suspect you don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about and so decided to take your boredom out on me. cool
22.26.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I have to assume that you actually *mean* what you type.
22.26.50 #       <sm00th> yeah, then you should wait until someone finishes
22.27.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What does you finishing have to do with what you said before? Were you going to later say "Oh, by the way, 10 minutes ago, that statement was wrong?"
22.27.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Just hurry up and explain the rest of what you think is relevant to your problem
22.27.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You're right, this argument is pointless.
22.28.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But please, try to actually type what you *mean* to say.
22.28.04 #       <Terinjokes> i'm justing going to reset the ipod, again
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22.28.16 #       <sm00th> no, paul, I was giving you a step by step of what I did until I encountered the problem. but you stopped me and started arguing that my first sentence couldn't be the reason for my crc error
22.28.47 #       <markun> sm00th: then just ignore him and explain it to the rest of us
22.28.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: As I said, your statement said that you thought that caused it. Apparently that's not what you *meant* to say, but that's what the sentence does say.
22.29.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: Where exactly do you get the cyclic redundancy check message?
22.30.36 #       <Arathis> fleischen: did it work?
22.31.25 #       <sm00th> markun, I can't mount my ipod nor can fdisk access it
22.31.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Where do you get the cyclic redundancy check error message then?
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22.32.25 #       <Arathis> no way to show filesize on rockbox??
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22.32.53 #       <markun> Arathis: I don't think so, but it would be useful
22.33.29 #       <fleischen> Arathis: yes
22.33.36 #       <Arathis> but programming knowledge would be needed. otherwise I'd try it myself
22.33.45 #       <Arathis> fleischen: great
22.33.53 #       <fleischen> but the song 'stucks'
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22.34.04 #       <save_> hi all
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22.34.27 #       * Arathis is tempted to talk german to fleischen ^^
22.34.28 #       <save_> does anybody know if rockbox supports Archos gmini xs 202 ?
22.34.31 #       <markun> sm00th: does linux see you device at all? (what does dmesg say for example). And are you in "emergency disk mode"?
22.34.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> save_: No.
22.34.39 #       <Arathis> fleischen: thats a known bug
22.34.55 #       <sm00th> I'm in emergency disk mode (select+play)?, then yes.
22.35.01 #       <save_> Paul_The_Nerd: thanks, are there plans to support it ?
22.35.04 #       <Arathis> just use a WPS without peakmeter. such as iCatcher
22.35.09 #       <fleischen> i read in the forums that it is a problem with the 'peak meter'
22.35.17 #       <Arathis> :)
22.35.20 #       <fleischen> yea
22.35.25 #       <sm00th> when I'm in windows, and I use ipodpatcher -i , that's when I receive a CRC error
22.35.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> save_: Plans to support new targets aren't really made. Someone just ends up with one and starts working on it.
22.35.40 #       <save_> Paul_The_Nerd: ok
22.36.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: What type of iPod do you have? Disk based or flash based?
22.36.04 #       <fleischen> sorry for my bad english :(
22.36.16 #       <sm00th> paul, google a nano
22.36.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: Nano is flash based.
22.36.27 #       <sm00th> ifn you can't read apples' mind
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22.36.56 #       <fleischen> do the colored skins work with my h10?
22.36.56 #       <sm00th> markun, yes, dmesg "sees" the ipod
22.37.07 #       <sm00th> but it's unable to read the parition table
22.37.16 #       <Arathis> yes
22.37.20 #       <sm00th> and when I try to fdisk it, fdisk just comes back with, can't access sda
22.37.23 #       <fleischen> nice
22.37.26 #       <Arathis> it has a colord LCD, right? ;)
22.37.27 #       <sm00th> * /dev/sda
22.37.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: Do you have a 1, 2, or 4, out of curiosity?
22.37.37 #       <fleischen> but i thin i prefer a 'lightweight' skin :P
22.37.41 #       <Arathis> and the standard background is colored to
22.37.45 #       <fleischen> think*
22.37.57 #       <sm00th> reports: unable to read /dev/sda
22.38.12 #       <fleischen> yea, but probably the configs doesn't work on the h10
22.38.56 #       <markun> sm00th: doesn't sound good then
22.38.59 #       <Arathis> I'm using one so don't worry
22.39.18 #       <fleischen> ok
22.39.19 #       <sm00th> damn, I thought these were unbrickable :)
22.39.30 #       <markun> You would be the first
22.39.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It sounds more like hardware failure than "bricking"
22.39.33 #       <sm00th> Paul, I have a 4gb
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22.39.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I was gonna offer a working partition table if you could figure out a way to write to it, but I don't think that's gonna be likely
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22.40.48 #       <markun> Paul_The_Nerd: if the drive was accessible would "cat pauls_disk.img > /dev/sda" have worked?
22.41.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> markun: It should.
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22.41.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: I would actually suggest going back into the diagnostic mode and run the various tests, and see if any of them tell you of hardware errors.
22.41.56 #       <fleischen> how much mAh has the default battery of the h10?
22.42.08 #       <Arathis> 1550
22.42.14 #       <Arathis> at least for 20gb
22.42.16 #       <sm00th> I didn't receive any errors when I did that
22.42.34 #       <Arathis> it's in a thread on misticriver or rockbox forum
22.42.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: All of the tests, like the flash scan and such?
22.42.43 #       <sm00th> yes
22.42.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Have you tried using a different USB port, cable, or computer?
22.43.11 #       <sm00th> wait, flashscan is the only one I didnt do because it takes so long
22.43.21 #       <sm00th> I'm using two different computers and ports
22.43.29 #       <sm00th> one in winxp and one in gentoo linux
22.43.40 #       <sm00th> but no, I don't have a different cable to try
22.43.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'd suggest trying a different USB cable, but I'd suggest trying to let a flash scan finish first.
22.43.50 #       <sm00th> running flashscan right now
22.44.39 #       <sm00th> when I connect to the xp box with my cable in emergency disk mode, I can actually "see" the drive. I just can't do anything with it. the partition table seems to be gone
22.44.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If we're really lucky it could just be your cable though. But from the way your partition table just vanished, that seems somewhat unlikely
22.44.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You can see it, but not in disk management?
22.45.12 #       <sm00th> the drive is in disk management, but it reports as unrecognized
22.45.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Can you make disk management format it to NTFS?
22.45.34 #       <sm00th> I didnt try that
22.45.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's interesting, but Apple seems to have planned for people stupidly reformatting their Nanos to NTFS
22.46.05 #       <sm00th> I was hoping to recover the 4gb of music on there. and given that the partition table is borked, well then I don't konw if that'd be possible if i repartition and reformat
22.46.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If you try to reformat the normal partition, windows eats the boot partition too for some reason
22.46.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But I've found putting it to NTFS makes the "Apple Restore Utility" more likely to actually recognize the device and rebuild the proper partitions and data.
22.46.46 #       <sm00th> ouch, ok. back to square one
22.46.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> At this point, recovering the music is somewhat unlikely, I'd say
22.46.56 #       <sm00th> I don't have the normal partiotions
22.47.05 #       <sm00th> yeah, that's cool. I have it backed up.
22.47.13 #       <sm00th> and I don't have the apple os on there either.
22.47.21 #       <Arathis> fleischen: 820 mAh for 5/6gb H10
22.47.22 #       <sm00th> and flashscan is still at 0% ;(
22.47.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's not a good sign
22.47.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I started mine (on a 4gb) right before I suggested you start yours
22.47.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 'I'm at 76%
22.47.57 #       <sm00th> that's what worried me and made me come in here for help
22.48.04 #       <sm00th> (the last step ;))
22.48.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, this isn't the best place for help with "My hardware's died" which is more and more what this is sounding like. ;)
22.48.32 #       <fleischen> thanks Arathis
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22.48.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> At this point you should be checking to see if you're still within your warranty period
22.48.43 #       <sm00th> wow, that's odd
22.48.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> This, at least, should be covered
22.48.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Odd?
22.48.52 #       <sm00th> I just bought this like two months ago. at least I got it at costco
22.49.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not every unit that makes it past QC is perfect.
22.49.22 #       <sm00th> right, but at least I'm within my warranty period.
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22.50.03 #       <sm00th> oh, the odd part is that disk management now recognizes the drive as healthy
22.50.05 #       <sm00th> but unformated
22.50.37 #       <sm00th> I can only do fat and fat32
22.50.44 #       <markun> sm00th: linuxstb might be able to give some advice
22.50.50 #       <linuxstb> sm00th: You could try restoring a backup partition table from the wiki
22.50.54 #       <linuxstb> ^Rockbox wiki
22.51.09 #       <sm00th> linuxstb, I wish I'd saved the partition from when we messed with this the other day
22.51.26 #       <sm00th> do you remember when we took the original firmware off and reclaimed that 80mb of space?
22.51.49 #       <linuxstb> I do now - so the standard partition tables won't help you recover the data.
22.51.58 #       <sm00th> I just reformatted
22.52.14 #       <sm00th> I wonder if those errors we were getting are related
22.56.07 #       <sm00th> linuxstb, the partitions are all over the place. I can't even paste fdisk's response when i printed the table
22.56.41 #       <sm00th> there are four partitions, all of them have differeent physical/logical beginnings and endings
22.57.00 #       <sm00th> and none end on cylinder boundaries
22.57.11 #       <sm00th> and none are in order
22.58.57 #       <linuxstb> Then your Nano probably doesn't have a partition table - it will just be formatted as a single NTFS drive in superfloppy mode.
22.59.12 #       <linuxstb> (or FAT32, or whatever you chose...)
22.59.42 #       <sm00th> I'm back in fdisk right now
22.59.49 #       <sm00th> creating a new partition table
23.00.27 #       <sm00th> I thought it has to be fat32 for rockbox?
23.01.25 #       <linuxstb> It does.
23.02.00 #       <sm00th> linuxstb, now that I've made my partition 100K, and it reports that partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary, do you think that could have caused this issue over time?
23.02.37 #       <sm00th> that was kinda where we left it last time, neither of us knew what that would produce in the end
23.03.14 #       <linuxstb> I've no idea.  But if I was you, I would keep it at 100K and see if you get the same problem again.
23.03.39 #       <sm00th> hahaha, ok. I'm going to do that.
23.03.47 #       <sm00th> wth, I have backups ;)
23.04.37 #       <sm00th> ok, so both partition 1 and 2 do not end on cylinder boundaries
23.04.50 #       <sm00th> I'll write it and go hang out until I get the error again
23.05.29 #       <fleischen> i can play FLAC
23.05.32 #       <fleischen> great :D
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23.11.28 #       <sm00th> Paul, flashscan is working now
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23.12.57 #       <sm00th> and, if you feel that I was describing the problem i was having incorrectly or unclearly, then I apologize for jumping your shit
23.13.57 #       <BHSPitLappy> language
23.15.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sm00th: Well, I came down a little hard on you too, clearly. But we have a lot of people in here who come in, blame Rockbox for their problems, and have never googled it and really have no clue what's going on.
23.16.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, when I read that you thought something "caused" it, and not only that, but that the cause was completely un-Rockbox, my frustration was that you were in here with it and all. I overreacted as well
23.18.41 #       <sm00th> Paul, well I need to google that reset function some more. because everything checked clear, but when I clicked on it again, I am back to square one.
23.19.08 #       <sm00th> it's the last test. all of the tests came back ok, even flashscan.
23.19.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Reset works fine for me.
23.20.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> All it does is reboot your iPod from the diagnostic mode back into Apple firmware. It could be possible that it doesn't work right since you're missing the Apple FW
23.20.23 #       <sm00th> hmm, so the last test is to make standard partitions and then do a 'reset' test
23.20.36 #       <sm00th> oh, tada. yeah, that sounds reasonable
23.20.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It seems odd that it'd actually break the partition table though
23.20.47 #       <preglow> Slasheri: it adds 1.3kb extra on iriver
23.20.48 #       <sm00th> lol
23.20.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I mean, it shouldn't *write* anything, should it?
23.21.00 #       <sm00th> I wouldn't think so
23.21.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But then, this is Apple we're talking about
23.21.27 #       <sm00th> that's why I need to make standard partitions and retest it
23.21.39 #       <linuxstb> Well, it's diagnostics mode - so it's possible some diagnostics are destructive...
23.21.40 #       <sm00th> because it may be related to the fact that my partitions don't end on cylinder boundaries?
23.22.04 #       <sm00th> and then I would have a better idea of whether it's related to that or the absence of the applefw
23.22.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Well, I ran all of them safely on my nano just now.
23.22.42 #       <sm00th> Paul, are you using a standard part table? or did you reclaim the 80mb in the first parition?
23.22.52 #       <sm00th> and do you have the apple os still on there?
23.23.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Standard, with Apple on there, at the moment
23.23.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I've tried it without Apple OS, but I keep it there for the faster file transfers at the moment
23.24.21 #       <sm00th> yeah, I'm tempted to put it back on there. but even so, I still want that 80mb of space. even with the apple os, it doesn't need all of that
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23.25.37 #       <rboxer> any devs there?
23.25.48 #       <Bagder> there they are =>
23.25.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't really use my Nano that much at all, so I'm fine without that 80mb for the time being, at least until something better comes along
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23.27.45 #       <rboxer> thank you. I've been using the wonderful rockbox for a while on my ihp120 but the fact that the radio is so much quieter than the original firmware is a real pita. I'm prepared to get into the code a bit to boost its volume but struggling to find a start point. Can anybody point me to the area of the code that handles volume and changes to it?
23.28.03 #       <rboxer> tia!?
23.28.22 #       <Bagder> rboxer: I think there's a patch for that, that bluebrother is working on
23.28.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Is that related to the deemphasis thing or whatever, too?
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23.28.52 #       <Bagder> I think so
23.29.07 #       <rboxer> can you explain deemphasis?
23.29.11 #       <markun> rboxer: you can go the the recording screen while you listen to the radio and increase the gain
23.29.25 #       <rboxer> <grabs ihp for a play>
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23.31.15 #       <Arathis> mirak_: does the wiki video encode cmdline result in best quality compared to filesize or is there a better, but probably more complex way?
23.32.10 #       <bluebrother> rboxer, deemphasis is a intended distortion of the audio signal to decrease the noise.
23.32.44 #       <bluebrother> you need to set the deemphasis matching to the emphasis that is used on the transmitting station.
23.33.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Arathis: It's simply an example encode for use with the current plugin. It's unlikely to be the final method (among other things, it'll eventually have sound) so it's not really worth worrying about.
23.33.16 #       <rboxer> ta bluebrother. Need to read up on noise control I think.
23.33.18 #       <bluebrother> so, from a users point it is simply a "set it to the correct value" which depends on your country.
23.33.31 #       <bluebrother> wikipedia has an article about that.
23.33.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> bluebrother: Would this account for the volume issues European users are having?
23.33.57 #       <bluebrother> Paul_The_Nerd, no. The volume issue is something different which I haven't looked into.
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23.34.24 #       <rboxer> so deemphasis is used only by the radio?
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23.34.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> bluebrother: It's odd though, my radio sounds like it's at the same volume as my normal audio. Or at least, at a reasonably close volume
23.35.28 #       <rboxer> paul - you on ihp120 too?
23.35.28 #       <bluebrother> in my case the radio is lower, but I guess this is also related to the fact that I'm using ReplayGain a lot.
23.35.47 #       <rboxer> radio's a lot lower here, unusable outside.
23.35.58 #       <rboxer> no replaygain, standard cvs build
23.36.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> rboxer: Yes
23.36.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Radio is way too loud at 0, about the same level as my MP3s
23.36.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And my MP3s are replaygained to ~92
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23.37.03 #       <markun> for me it sounds ok, but I use replaygain for my files
23.37.05 #       <maddog011> hello, just want to check how is the h10 rockbox port going?
23.37.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Now, I've *never* been in the Recording screen though (at least since my last settings reset)
23.37.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Is it possible that in the case of the volume being too low, it's simply *always* a case of someone having lowered the recording gain at some point?
23.37.58 #       <Bagder> maddog011: it rocks ;-)
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23.38.48 #       <maddog011> really?
23.38.58 #       <rboxer> just tried - recording gain doesn't seem to affect radio vol. Gain goes v high too.
23.39.02 #       <maddog011> wow nice, i'll check it out
23.39.26 #       <Arathis> maddog011: TrueJournals made a video on youtube
23.39.28 #       <rboxer> isn't the recording setting separate from the radio / mixer stage anyway?
23.39.49 #       <maddog011> haha nice, Arathis, i'll check out the video
23.39.57 #       <rboxer> - should i try this replaygain thing?
23.40.09 #       <markun> rboxer: you don't have to
23.40.14 #       <Arathis> but before the LCD and touchstrip (up) fixes were commited
23.40.24 #       <markun> You need to tag all your files for it to work
23.40.56 #       <rboxer> i've barely got all my id3 tags sorted - don't need to go through them all again!
23.41.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> rboxer: Replaygain doesn't help the radio issue at all.
23.41.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's for making your files sound like they were recorded to approximately the same level so you aren't constantly adjusting the volume during a shuffled playlist.
23.42.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> rboxer: Are you European, or American areas?
23.42.23 #       <rboxer> gotcha, Euro.
23.42.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Are your radio broadcasts at a lower level (like how the volume is limited on MP3 players, to protect hearing)?
23.43.13 #       <rboxer> bought the player in the US though, if it makes any difference
23.43.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't think it would
23.43.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Especially since people say it's louder in the retail firmware anyway
23.43.55 #       <rboxer> I only really listen to radio4 which admittedly isn't broadcast as loudly as radio 1 for instance, It was ok with the iriv firmware though
23.44.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Though the "louder in retail" I wonder which retail version they're using
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23.45.47 #       <Bagder> there's where our bandwidth goes
23.46.25 #       <rboxer> retail fware 1.65e
23.47.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, it's true, the retail firmware *does* play the radio quite a bit longer.
23.47.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> louder
23.47.30 #       <rboxer> toldya so!
23.47.38 #       <rboxer> any idea where to look to fix it?
23.47.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But it plays it a lot louder than it can play MP3s as well
23.48.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'd say the radio plays at about what +6 on the iPods sounds like
23.49.21 #       <rboxer> so you're saying that mp3 and fm outputs are both louder?
23.49.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No, just the FM
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23.52.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It sounds a little distorted too.
23.52.14 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
23.52.36 #       <rboxer> what, the stock firmware distorts or rb?
23.52.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Stock
23.53.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> At high volumes, it sounds distorted to me.
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23.53.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The FM radio does, that is.
23.54.25 #       <rboxer> be nice to get it loud enough to hear some distortion. where is volume setting handled?
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23.56.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Wait, you *want* to get it loud enough to distort the music? Why?
23.58.31 #       <rboxer> no, i want to get it loud enough to hear radio4 outside!