--- Log for 09.09.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 18 hours ago 00.03.25 Quit Steel2 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.08.35 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.09.22 Join steveb [0] (i=steve@pan.object4.net) 00.10.01 Quit psi_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.11.44 Part steveb ("##uk - The brits still rule the world") 00.11.58 # One question on doing these runtime tests. 00.13.30 # I ripped all my ASMZ albums to flac. I was going to do mp3 -aps and ogg -q6, but the bitrates of the oggs turned out lower than the aps. Should I reencode the oggs to try and match the mp3s as close as possible? 00.13.57 Join maddog011 [0] (n=detlic@cable-87-116-149-196.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 00.14.04 # If there is no need to bother doing that...should I queue up the same total length of tracks, or queue up the same total size of tracks for the test? 00.16.01 # IMO, you should test whatever bitrate and whatever format you are interested in listening to... 00.16.25 # i'd say so, too 00.16.35 # As for the test itself, I normally just choose an album where the total length is larger than the audio buffer (so > 30MB in most cases), and play it on repeat. 00.16.52 # afaik ogg requires more cpu-power anyway than mp3 00.17.05 # so you dont need to have the same bitrate 00.17.49 # I was under the impression on PP targets ogg was more efficient than mp3. 00.18.14 # well, im not sure on that targets 00.18.26 # just see what the cpu-boost says :) 00.19.05 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.19.10 # Soap: I think it's more or less the same now - there have been some mp3 optimisations since Rockbox first started working on the ipods. 00.19.32 # oh, fancy mp3 encoder improvements showed up 00.20.52 # * Bagder says moo 00.22.57 Nick SanaciousD is now known as [San] (n=San@213-202-155-243.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 00.23.49 # indeed 00.23.55 # hellmann knows his stuff 00.24.02 # what's the status of using the ADC on the ipods? the wiki says 0% but cvs says otherwise 00.24.23 # i'm too stupid to code 00.24.28 # * preglow shoots himself 00.26.21 Quit spiorf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.27.21 # i'm asking because i think the adc is built into the pp5020 chip, so maybe the h10 code would work with the ipods too? 00.27.30 # or vice versa 00.27.36 # ADC? 00.28.24 # and barrywardell - while you're here. What did iRiver say you did to void your H10 warranty? 00.28.42 # analog-digital converter. it's used for battery level, temperature and touchscreen 00.30.05 # * barrywardell looks for the iriver email 00.30.40 Quit dan_a_away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.30.49 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 00.31.03 # hmm, the mp3 encoder patch is just for the plugin 00.31.07 # not the realtime encoder 00.31.48 # ehh, what 00.32.02 # forget me 00.34.05 # more than one tracker url in a mail confuses me profusely 00.34.56 # Soap: weird. can't find that email. and I use gmail. Anyway, it was something about being modified by a third party, blah, blah. 00.35.57 Join webguest75 [0] (i=46748b80@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.36.20 # anyone here? 00.36.40 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.36.49 # webguest75: yeah 00.37.06 # can anyone tell me how to play videos on my 5G iPod with Rockbox 00.37.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 00.37.42 # that should sum it up 00.37.53 # k now about rockdoom 00.38.24 # i downloaded the files and put it in F:/games/doom but still nothing 00.39.10 # ello? 00.40.29 # don't know anything about rockdoom 00.41.00 # well back to the mpeg player it says no audio so u mean when it plays i cant hear sounds? 00.42.12 # Yes - it's still being developed. 00.42.50 # ok well u no anything about any extra games? 00.43.12 # im a real noob at this stuff. I just know how to put themes and music thats it. 00.45.37 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 00.46.31 Quit webguest75 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.47.50 Quit gromit` ("Coyote finally caught me") 00.51.51 Quit ender` (" First things first, but not necessarily in that order.") 00.55.39 Quit lodesi ("leaving") 00.56.21 Join webguest83 [0] (i=54389425@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.56.34 Quit webguest83 (Client Quit) 00.56.38 Join webguest83 [0] (i=54389425@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-788040f6478e5b07) 00.57.28 Quit webguest83 (Client Quit) 00.57.36 Join webguest69 [0] (i=54389425@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.59.56 Quit webguest69 (Client Quit) 01.00.00 Join webguest69 [0] (i=54389425@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c1669e69808895d6) 01.00.16 Quit webguest69 (Client Quit) 01.05.38 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.09.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.14.06 Quit DrinkingWoodAlch (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.16.55 Nick JBonBike is now known as JoeBorn (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 01.24.06 Join bilbravo [0] (n=bilbravo@pool-70-17-238-238.balt.east.verizon.net) 01.28.50 Join krime [0] (i=43bc6940@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.30.18 # barrywardell, So you had to buy another H10 !? 01.30.43 # yes, but iriver are sending my broken one back 01.31.04 # how did you continue work on the firmware? 01.31.12 # if you didn't have the devide? 01.31.15 # *device 01.32.13 # i only did what I could without testing 01.32.33 # I installed the rockbox on the iriver h10, I tried to load a wps and now all I see is black. When I hold the power button to turn it off I see the shutting down text. I tried removing it and loading it back up.. it still has the problem. Do you guys have any ideas? 01.32.33 # good job 01.32.34 # and lorijho helped me with some testing until I got a new H10 01.32.48 # I listened to the player today, and it works great with your firmware 01.33.10 # krime: you probably have a theme with a black background and black text 01.33.14 # it skips on visualisations a bit, but overall it works good 01.33.18 # you need to reset settings 01.33.24 # how? 01.34.39 # power on, press rewind for the menu, press down three times to get to manage settings 01.35.10 # press 'O' to select that. press down twice to get to reset settings and press 'o' twice 01.35.38 # * barrywardell should look into resetting settings an easier way 01.35.50 # delete ini file? 01.36.02 # maddog011: yes, there is some skipping because the cpu can't keep up 01.36.15 # is the cpu bad on the H10? 01.36.22 # or is it the software's fault 01.36.22 # the settings aren't stored in a file. they're in a special part of the disk 01.36.34 # the cpu is identical to the ipods 01.36.37 # lol I tried.. and got no files, I'll try again 01.36.49 # it's fine 01.36.50 # so how come it skips? 01.36.57 # does it do that on ipods too 01.37.03 # afaik yes 01.37.16 # ipods have the exact same problems 01.37.19 Join dan_a_away [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 01.37.38 # btw can anyone send me the doom's wad I wanna see how it works 01.37.49 # they're on the wiki 01.37.59 # thanx barry 01.38.53 # barry I can't get that to work for some reason.. is there any file I can delete that would do the same thing? 01.39.38 # the settings aren't stored in a file 01.40.13 # can't find the damn wad :) 01.41.12 # krime: i'll see if I can find a way to reset them for you 01.41.23 # thanks! 01.41.33 # I'll keep trying this method 01.41.45 # got it 01.41.46 # maddog011: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom 01.43.47 # thanks barry :) 01.44.22 Quit sharpe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.47.18 # barry I finaly got it! thanks.. if you find another way to reset it I would be intrested but if not no big deal. 01.48.42 # krime: great. I'll try to get an easy reset method working for next time :) 01.49.21 # wow that was a headache I wish I came in here 3 hours earlyer 01.52.05 # okie one more question.. for some reason the background pictures arn't loading in the themes any ideas why? 01.52.58 # you need to make sure they are in .rockbox/backgrounds 01.53.12 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 01.53.31 # i mean .rockbox/backdrops 01.53.32 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp144-223.adsl.forthnet.gr) 01.54.52 # it is.. could it be cause I'm trying to load an ipod nano theme? 01.55.40 # krime: yes, possibly. iirc the nano screen is bigger than the h10 so its themes won't work 01.55.52 # what model do you have? 01.56.15 # h10 5gb 01.57.14 # there are only a couple of themes for that model so far 01.57.21 # Gotta question. 01.57.28 # none on the rockbox site but one or two on misticriver 01.57.52 # Landus: ask away 01.58.02 # I'm using a theme meant for iPods, but with the scroll-margins and statusbar height patches, it can work on an iriver. 01.58.26 # The last CVS build I grabbed a week or two ago doesn't seem to have the statusbar patch apply. 01.58.46 Quit amiconn (" reboot") 01.58.47 # Even though the latest version of that patch says everything worked. 01.59.14 # Also, I even tested the CVS build from the day the newest patch was released. 01.59.21 # Still, the statusbar didn't change. 01.59.40 # those patches aren't included in CVS 01.59.42 # So I'm still using what I compiled two months ago. 01.59.51 # No. The patches I downloaded manually. 02.00.16 # Has there been any changes to Rockbox that would make updating a priority? 02.01.18 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.01.29 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 02.02.08 # you could look at http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html and see what has changed 02.06.44 # Too much reading. 02.06.51 # If there's been anything major. 02.06.54 # Everyone would know. 02.06.59 # Hence, the asking. 02.08.38 # * barrywardell has only been here for a month 02.17.59 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.19.58 # what do you consider major? The mpeg player? The button code reworkings? The PlayStationPortable emmulator? 02.19.58 Quit krime ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.20.03 # ;) 02.22.43 # Ooer. 02.22.49 # I can play mpegs on my iriver now? 02.23.05 # And the button code was reworked? 02.23.17 # yes 02.23.36 # MPEG playback isn't working fully yet - it's a bit slow, and there's no sound. 02.23.47 # meh! details details 02.24.12 # You've come late-enough to the upgrade that most of the button bugs have been worked out. 02.24.45 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host61-145.pool8256.interbusiness.it) 02.25.14 # What about the 5 second lag when browsing folders with alot of sub-folders? 02.27.11 # Gone completely if you use dircache 02.28.42 Join webguest42 [0] (i=46748b80@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.28.59 # Anyone here 02.29.05 # Nope 02.29.19 # lol k i need some help with the 5G rockbox 02.29.28 # Whats the issue? 02.29.43 # installing doom,pacman, etc. 02.30.15 # Have you followed the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom 02.30.37 # yup 02.30.42 # im pretty sure i did it rite 02.30.58 # i put the 2 files on the game/doom folder isnt that all im suppose to do? 02.31.06 Quit barrywardell () 02.31.18 # What does the doom plugin say when it starts? 02.31.29 # it doesnt say anything 02.31.39 # it doesnt even load 02.32.02 Join sorush20 [0] (n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.32.17 # wut did i do wrong? 02.32.17 # you roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooock.. all of you with your great ideas.. 02.32.44 # can I install rockbox to sony mp3 player? 02.32.49 # nope 02.32.58 # hello can anyone answer my question? 02.33.20 # Soap: what that to me? 02.33.29 # yes, sorush20 02.33.29 # webguest42: I'm not really sure how that happened. Try copying the plugin file over again - perhaps its been damaged. 02.33.40 # are you using the stock build webguest42? 02.33.48 # wut do u mean? 02.33.49 # (the "daily" build) 02.34.10 # i used the un-official installer to install my rockbox if thats wut u mean 02.34.15 # WHAT 02.34.24 # ?? 02.34.25 # not wut, please. 02.34.39 # webguest42: The bootloader shouldn't have anything to do with it. 02.34.51 # i nvr sed anything with the bootloader 02.34.52 # Soap: are there any discussion about it anywhere? 02.34.54 # yea, if Rockbox runs, you should be cool on that front. 02.34.57 # im just wondering wut i did wrong 02.35.03 # Ah sorry, I misread 02.35.27 # Well im gonna try again 02.35.34 # wait... 02.35.45 # when im in rock box all i do is click on the doom folder and click doom rite? 02.36.11 # ??? 02.36.13 # No 02.36.20 # wut do i do 02.36.25 # sorush20 - there is a special place in the forums for ideas for new targets, but "requesting" a target port is not going to get you support. People port Rockbox to what they own, and want rockbox on. Nobody is going to go out and buy a Sony and port Rockbox to it based on petitions or popular opinion. 02.36.26 # i must be doing something wrong on that part 02.36.30 # You need to go to the menu, and choose Browse Plugins 02.36.36 # Then go to the Doom plugin. 02.36.47 # oooooooooooo 02.36.47 # That should start doom 02.36.52 # lol let me try taht 02.36.55 # im such a noob 02.37.25 # webguest42 - u typing mk me go wut. I cat follow what you say, rite? 02.38.26 # ?? 02.38.51 # hahaha 02.39.01 # Yay it worked 02.39.03 # i think 02.39.06 # its loading rite now 02.39.17 # Packbox needs the same thing, you access it from the plugins menu. 02.39.32 # yea but about pacbox 02.39.37 # it says i need ROM 02.40.24 # ??? 02.40.30 # You need gamefiles for packbox as well. 02.40.47 # That you do, you need to copy it off your PacMan cartridge or arcade machine rom chip. That is the only legal way to obtain one. 02.40.59 # theres always google 02.42.31 Quit webguest42 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.43.46 # Anyone able to tell me what I'm doing wrong when trying to add a function to the plugin api struct? 02.44.59 # I edited plugin.[ch] by adding the prototype to plugin.h and added one a line for the function in plugin.c as well as bumping the API version - is there something I missed, because I'm still getting notices of "There is no member named ... in that struct" 02.47.53 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB314D3.ipt.aol.com) 03.04.58 Quit lorijho_ ("leaving") 03.06.11 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.06.47 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 03.07.17 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: it isn't only my script, its also my client") 03.08.24 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 03.09.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.09.39 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-68-95-246-24.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.12.07 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 03.14.49 Part sorush20 03.17.02 Join daurn|afk [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 03.20.55 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 03.21.58 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.24.01 Part pixelma 03.24.58 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 03.30.46 Join telliott_ [0] (n=telliott@68-179-149-245.bsr-c3-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net) 03.32.11 Part telliott_ 03.39.53 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.39.53 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.43.11 Quit spiorf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.48.02 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 03.48.17 Join IcyStorM [0] (n=afsfsa@h96n3c1o1043.bredband.skanova.com) 03.51.31 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 03.52.51 Join infamis [0] (i=4511161b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 03.53.16 # anyone familiar with diff/patch? 03.53.44 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-68-95-246-24.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.54.05 # infamis: What do you need to know? 03.54.53 Nick daurn|afk is now known as daurn|laptop (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 03.55.40 # how to patch a lot of files 03.55.57 # ps, it's not rockbox source 03.56.41 # To patch a bunch of files, I use cvs patch - but that only works if the files you're patching are from a CVS repository. 03.57.48 # patch should be able to handle it just fine as long as your patchfile is good. 03.57.50 # Does patch work for directories? You could try creating two directories - one with the original, and one with the modified files and see if that works 03.58.10 # Ah sorry, patch not diff. 03.59.03 # basically if I have: official_huge_ass_source_directory and I've made lots of changes & added new files...and then official_huge_ass_source_directory_version2 comes out, I need to integrate all my changes from the original directory into that version2 directory 03.59.53 # the "lots of changes & added new files" spans over the course of 4 months... 04.01.47 # so how can I create a patch file to do this sort of thing? 04.02.39 # Can't you extract a clean copy of official_huge_ass_source_directory and diff between it and your changed one? I'm not *too* familiar with it, but I imagine the tool should be able to handle that? 04.03.31 # The good thing is I do have these directories: original_source, original_source_plus_changes, new_source 04.04.03 # I guess I need to do a (original_source_plus_changes - original_source) + new_source 04.05.35 Part IcyStorM 04.11.03 Join BigMac [0] (n=dummeska@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 04.13.34 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-15-195.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 04.14.15 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 04.28.11 Quit infamis ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.29.26 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.33.14 Part Paul_The_Nerd 04.47.45 Quit rageahol (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.05.13 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 05.09.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.12.00 Quit [H5N1] ("changing servers") 05.14.59 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 05.27.08 Quit [H5N1] ("changing servers") 05.27.27 Quit ShadowdogMU (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.27.33 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 05.35.42 Quit [H5N1] ("changing servers") 05.35.50 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 05.38.20 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 05.44.19 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@ppp-68-250-202-11.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 05.44.55 Join ShadowdogMU [0] (n=Brock@cpe-65-28-252-205.woh.res.rr.com) 05.46.20 Join Babbelaar [0] (n=HTML@CPE-203-45-97-184.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 05.46.52 Quit _jhMikeS_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.49.21 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-68-249-239-20.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 05.51.02 Join lostsoul [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 05.51.03 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.51.54 Nick lostsoul is now known as daurn|laptop (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 05.57.52 Quit TCK (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.03.15 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.14.17 Quit EV|Toshiba (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.14.58 # Just another plug for my trouble with the plugin API, if someone could help me out it'd be much appreciated. 06.17.30 Nick gtkspert1 is now known as gtkspert (n=gtkspert@210-84-27-100.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.18.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 06.20.11 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.30.35 Join apo`` [0] (i=apo@gateway/tor/x-06fc2092401e13e7) 06.33.38 Join sslashes_ [0] (i=sslashes@4ce0aefb.colo.compbrain.net) 06.33.38 Quit sslashes (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.41.31 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.41.55 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 06.47.57 Quit bierokrat (Remote closed the connection) 06.53.22 Join ForgottenMemory [0] (i=46749c2e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-07b8222d8a7f49c6) 06.56.50 Quit ForgottenMemory (Client Quit) 07.00.12 Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m148.telcomplus.net) 07.00.53 # aliask? 07.00.57 Quit Quazgaa (Client Quit) 07.01.11 # midkay? 07.01.27 # what? 07.01.40 # you have been so distant from me lately =( 07.01.47 Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m148.telcomplus.net) 07.01.55 # I tried adding a function to the Plugin API but it's still not working... do you know much about that sort of thing? 07.02.13 Quit Quazgaa (Client Quit) 07.02.17 # scorche: for a reason! 07.02.25 # why?!? 07.02.29 # aliask: sort of, i've done it before - did you add it to both plugin.c and plugin.h? 07.02.51 # Yep 07.03.03 # so it compiles cleanly, or do you get an error, or what? 07.03.39 # Plugin.c gives me "initialization from incompatible pointer type" and the call to the function doesn't work - it still says it's not in the struct. 07.04.10 # huh.. what function are you trying to add? can you pastebin plugin.c? 07.04.18 # Sure. Hang on. 07.05.56 # http://pastebin.ca/164904 07.06.18 # I'll pastebin plugin.h as well - there could be something there too 07.07.00 # sure, and you're adding what? 07.07.08 # guy_synclist_set_title? 07.07.11 # gui* 07.07.20 # Yep 07.08.00 # Wait, I misspelt gui_synclist_set_title in plugin.h - nevermind :P 07.08.27 # haha. that'll be it. 07.08.33 # Thanks anyway. 07.08.34 # how did you spell it? :) 07.08.37 # tile 07.08.41 # haha. 07.09.05 # And that wasn't the first time I misspelt it - the first time I forgot the sync part. 07.09.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.09.42 # i hate it when there are simple errors like that...i have spent weeks over an issue once where i forgot to enclose something in parentheses... 07.09.45 # haha. 07.09.56 # misspelt? misspelled? 07.10.01 # someone's got some spelling issues ;D 07.10.20 # Oh dear... :( 07.10.34 # Haha 07.10.35 # it's alright aliask, i love you just the same. 07.10.50 # ok...we need a #rockbox qdb for that one 07.10.59 # Nuuuuu 07.11.02 # Hall of shame 07.11.08 # #1 - aliask 07.11.18 # hey 07.11.20 # umm 07.11.36 # why is it that on rockbox the screen goes away every 3 seconds? 07.12.03 # do you not have it on its leash? 07.12.24 # leash? 07.12.34 # the screen goes "away"? 07.12.34 Join Crackerizer [0] (n=root@125.25.59.117) 07.12.46 # how do explain this >.> 07.12.49 # +i 07.12.56 # It's the backlight turning off 07.13.01 # Um.. the screen "fades away" 07.13.03 # thats it 07.13.16 # You can set it for longer - but it will use more battery life 07.13.27 # I have an iriver btw 07.13.33 # yeh but where do i set it? 07.13.41 # midkay: i think we need to go get some counseling... 07.14.06 # Babbelaar: you can set the battery timeout, fade duration (e.g. disable it altogether, or whatever) all in the settings menus. 07.14.08 # Menu -> General Settings -> Display -> LCD Settings -> Backlight 07.14.18 # scorche: you should, yeah. 07.14.28 # but what about *us*?!? 07.14.37 # o0 07.14.39 # haha. 07.19.13 # how do you get to general settings? 07.19.28 Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m148.telcomplus.net) 07.19.42 # Which iriver do you have? 07.19.51 # h300 07.19.58 # Press ab 07.21.25 # it come up with Shuffle on the left hand side - Repeat on the right hand side and Show files at the bottom 07.25.57 # Babbelaar: please read the manual....it will show you this and many other things 07.27.11 # ok :) 07.31.38 Join webguest52 [0] (i=46748b80@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 07.31.49 # Anyone here? 07.32.14 # ,,,, 07.32.53 # calm down... 07.32.53 Quit webguest52 (Client Quit) 07.33.10 # the same goes for you >_> 07.33.12 # * scorche coughs 07.33.19 # ha... 07.45.41 Quit JoeBorn ("open.neurostechnology.com") 07.54.19 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 07.54.29 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.06.36 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.06.50 Quit JoeBorn (Nick collision from services.) 08.07.22 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 08.08.15 Join jborn_ [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 08.20.32 Join Mancer [0] (n=Mancer@dsl-202-173-137-229.sa.westnet.com.au) 08.28.59 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@125.188.3.72) 08.29.10 # hello. 08.31.35 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.cm-upc.chello.se) 08.34.04 Join Jazz00006 [0] (n=Jazz0000@219-90-181-87.ip.adam.com.au) 08.36.36 # anyone? 08.36.45 # :/ 08.36.55 # hmm.... 08.37.24 # Korean Rockbox situation is not good now.... 08.37.36 # oh? 08.37.47 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF229.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.40.15 # uh oh 08.41.37 # Korean Rockbox developer who there doesn't exist in Rockbox team exists in Korea. 08.42.03 # Jungti1234: rephrase? 08.42.35 # Rockbox team doesn't have Korean developer. 08.42.55 # what is so bad about that? 08.42.55 Quit Jazz00006 () 08.42.59 # but, Korea has a little Rockbox developer. 08.43.08 # (not in any offence) 08.43.13 # They don't think original Rockbox. 08.43.39 # They want that korean people use only own build that is based on Rockbox. 08.43.40 # what do you mean they have a little rockbox dev? 08.43.46 # oh 08.44.08 # so they make custom builds and pass that off as kind of an officially korean rockbox build? 08.44.29 # But, they never speak it that is Experimental build. 08.44.43 # do they modify the credits? 08.45.43 # Jungti1234: Do you have a link to a website? 08.45.48 # so if i have an iaudio X5L, do i use the "Bootloader v2 for iAudio X5" or "Bootloader v2 for iAudio X5V" 08.46.31 # Jungti1234: do they offer the source code to it as well? 08.46.33 # aliask: only korean.. 08.46.56 # That's ok, I am just curious. Google can translate for me. 08.46.57 # scorche: of course, offer. 08.46.58 # Jungti1234: what is the site? 08.47.18 # no, you can't use tranlate 08.47.41 # Hrm? 08.48.24 # Jungti1234: the site? 08.48.32 # errr..link? 08.48.36 # wait.. 08.49.02 # http://cafe.naver.com/ipodrockbox 08.49.32 # And will creat homepage with build that they are new at next year. 08.50.16 # Jungti1234: have you said anything on the forums there about it not being official and all? 08.50.40 # It isn't simple forum. 08.52.39 # ah............. 08.53.15 # Jungti1234: when you go to http://cafe.naver.com/ArticleList.nhn?clubid=12290193&menuid=10&boardtype=L and click on one of the links, what does the box that pops up say? 08.53.35 # ? 08.54.03 # you mean, popup? 08.54.05 # when i click on one, a box pops up and says something with the "ok" button at the bottom 08.54.23 # 'Do Login' 08.54.35 # They show contents to member. wahahahahahahah...... 08.54.36 # figured as much 08.54.51 # but they do show the source code? 08.55.04 # yes, but only member. 08.55.07 # maybe. 08.55.49 # do find out....if they do not give the source code to anyone that asks, it is a violation of GPL basically 08.57.18 # Jungti1234: also, can you find out if anyone on their chat thing speaks english? 08.58.18 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.58.18 # aliask: yeah...translating is definitely hopeless 08.58.33 # I didn't even try :) 08.58.52 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 08.58.53 # but you can still find out stuff by looking at the names of links and the english that is scattered around 08.58.56 # Korean is not a good language for google, and it's a forum, so it's probably not even proper Korean. 08.59.28 # i havent found the "forum" aspect of it 08.59.45 # Isn't the whole thing one? I just assumed. 08.59.52 # nope 09.00.33 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh23756@dxb-as59276.alshamil.net.ae) 09.04.55 # hm 09.07.03 # try Babbelfish 09.07.05 # it works 09.07.16 # as in translator that is 09.07.59 # so it does...i thought that babelfish and google's translators were pretty much identical 09.08.41 # lol 09.09.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.11.12 # oooooo 09.11.24 # * scorche spies Jungti1234 on the online members list 09.11.34 # haha 09.26.48 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzz") 09.31.05 Quit dongs (Remote closed the connection) 09.31.05 Join SanaciousD [0] (n=San@212.2.165.195) 09.31.08 Join dongs [0] (n=HPUX@i249222.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 09.35.03 Join Zaqq [0] (i=Zaqq@221.128.170.199) 09.36.52 # bye, 09.36.53 Quit Jungti1234 () 09.42.16 Quit [San] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.46.51 Join ootput [0] (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) 09.47.17 Join pepie34 [0] (n=romain@ANantes-256-1-119-203.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.47.33 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-15-195.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.47.41 # hello, i'm currently using rockbox-dailies on my ipod mini 1g. I've found the rechardge process to be relatively slow. What's teh fastest way to charge it with rocboxk? 09.48.05 # i can reboot into diskmode, but that's still slow 09.48.13 # but not as slow 09.48.17 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-037-008.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.48.18 # hmm so having never had a usb hd before, how do i mount my player 09.48.43 # like what filesystem do these deals use 09.49.19 Quit aliask ("Work") 09.49.36 # Quazgaa: cat /proc/partitions, cross your fingers, plug it in, wait a while, cat /proc/partitions and notice the difference(s), mount -t auto /dev/xxYY /mnt/xxYY 09.49.53 # then modify /etc/fstab if all goes well 09.50.56 # ah looks like sdb 09.51.11 # sweet 09.51.19 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.52.57 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48) 09.55.20 Quit daurnimator ("I wonder where that fish could be...") 09.57.16 Quit mirak_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.58.12 # Quazgaa: it'd be sdb* , say sdb1, or something 09.58.37 # Quazgaa: your distro may(not) already mount it 09.58.44 # yeah i got it thanks 09.58.59 # new to these newfangled portable dealies, not computers ;) 09.59.04 # also, it is a bit easier just using dmesg... 09.59.51 # hmm so its vfat 10.00.02 # anybody ever reformat these drives to something cooler than vfat? 10.00.18 # yes, but rockbox only supports fat32 10.00.21 Join mirak_ [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-80-84.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.00.22 # not unless the device depended on fat32 10.00.27 # ok 10.01.19 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurnima@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 10.01.22 Quit jborn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.01.28 Part ootput 10.06.27 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 10.12.08 # <_jhMikeS_> preglow: thanks! gotta integrate my recording changnes into that! ;) 10.12.13 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-68-95-246-24.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 10.13.04 # <_jhMikeS_> preglow: does that mean it support MPEG1 and MPEG2 and all the corresponding sample rate and all the stereo modes now? 10.13.37 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-68-249-239-20.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 10.14.12 # * jhMikeS fixed the spontaneous shutdown problem on the x5 when the power key is held for 1s 10.18.26 Quit Crackerizer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.18.29 # yay 10.18.43 # i just got my x5 today 10.18.53 # and just threw rockbox on it 10.18.58 # looks like ill be upgrading already :p 10.20.40 Quit crashd (Remote closed the connection) 10.21.03 Join crashd [0] (i=nobody@badger.ing.me.uk) 10.21.56 Quit Babbelaar ("Babbel v060701.11 Mac OS X Edition - http://www.babbelirc.com") 10.25.11 Quit daurnimator (Client Quit) 10.25.50 Quit Zaqq () 10.26.58 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@rockbox/developer/Bger) 10.28.08 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 10.29.28 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurnima@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 10.37.06 Quit BHSPitMonkey ("Leaving") 10.41.39 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54933BE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.41.58 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-68-95-246-24.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 10.52.42 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.54.23 Quit solarflare (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.56.10 # hey all 10.56.56 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.56.57 # JdGordon: g'day :) 10.57.31 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 10.59.00 Quit CriamosAndy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.59.16 Join nls [0] (i=HydraIRC@nl104-202-216.student.uu.se) 11.00.43 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host28-141.pool8256.interbusiness.it) 11.01.50 Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-053-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.01.53 # man it's so loud in here 11.02.11 # does anyone know where/how setttings are currently stored to non-volatire ram on the iriver hxxx series? 11.02.37 # jhMikeS: yea... its still early sat morning in yurope... cant expect much movement 11.03.24 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 11.03.36 # i wouldnt call 11 early, but yeah 11.03.39 # They Might Be Giants has a song for every occasion :) Was listening at just the right time. 11.04.03 # its 11am already? i thought it was like 8 or 9 11.04.08 # naw 11.04.17 # i just know it is 8 hours ahead of MST 11.04.22 # * JdGordon needs a world clock on his comp 11.04.27 # mst? 11.04.28 # That's still figin' early :) 11.04.32 # mountain standard 11.04.48 # * jhMikeS :edt 11.05.13 # 5:02am here ... almost time for bed 11.05.17 # i know from last night...i thought the way you were thinking...but then zagor said it was 8 there...amde a mental note ;) 11.06.54 # time for some openttd while i wait for more acitvity here :p 11.06.55 # JdGordon: That's not handled in settings.c? 11.06.57 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.07.04 # ... and my friends to not be anti social tonight 11.07.27 # jhMikeS: i assume it is, but the only thing that looks like it would be it is #ifdef'ed out on iriver 11.07.34 # * jhMikeS is the antisocialite 11.07.56 # * JdGordon thought it was HAVE_RTC_RAM but its only defined for archos 11.08.24 # JdGordon: hmmm...I wasn't aware of settings being stored that was on HD players 11.08.29 # that way 11.09.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.09.37 # neither, but Linus is making sure my settings stuff can save to eeprom on iriver, so im trying to see how its done now 11.10.01 # JdGordon: RTC RAM *is* only on archos iirc 11.10.47 # yes.. 11.11.23 # JdGordon: rtc_write! hehe :P 11.11.41 # Should be doable on x5 too 11.11.53 # well ive done it using that... but that is #ifdefed out for all except have_rtc_ram 11.12.43 # There's no support for Hxxx then yet, eh? Or you've done it on that? 11.12.48 # JdGordon, since you've been fiddeling with the buttons :-) ... Is it intentional that only iriver hxx0 has dirskip? 11.13.02 # dirskip?? :? 11.13.17 # like play + right skips to next dir 11.13.18 # nls: not intentional... but i dont know the combos for other targes 11.13.32 # all targets can do short then long next/prev to do it 11.13.44 # tell me an aviable combo and ill add it 11.14.08 # oh is that in the kaymap? I have a h300 and don't know the other players 11.14.09 # double click right/left ... reaching the joystick on x5 with the side buttons gives carpel tunnel 11.15.03 # There's no support for Hxxx then yet, eh? Or you've done it on that? <- i have added it in a fairly generic way, so once i figure out how to do it on iriver it shouldnt be hard to get wokrking 11.15.06 # at least with one hand. could pop right out of you hand trying it with one 11.15.33 # nls: press left then long left (or right and long right) to dirskip 11.15.40 # JdGordon: I would love to do it if I had an iRiver player...was thinking about picking up an H120 or something for the digital in 11.16.06 # x5 has no good way I can see to dirskip 11.16.30 # x5 has the same combo..... 11.17.15 # you mean power key combo with joystick? 11.17.30 # JdGordon, right + long right on h300 = playback freeze but not total crash :-( but play?right works 11.17.40 # play+right 11.17.56 # it should only freeze for half a sec while it loads the next directory 11.18.10 # they both _should_work.. 11.18.12 # let me check.. 11.18.17 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.18.33 # We can't do double clicks can we? I don't know the key processing code at all really. 11.18.51 # we can.... 11.19.26 # dirskip doesnt work very well without dircachee 11.19.38 # x5 is tougie because as I say...side buttons + joystick could mean losing your banana 11.20.30 # * JdGordon bbl 11.20.38 # cant reproduce the freeze, odd. but can't make right+long right work either 11.21.05 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 11.21.45 # Did I miss something or are there detailed closeup pictures in the wiki of each player? All six views that is so button programmers can refer to that...might help? Just an idea. 11.22.13 # there's always the sim backgrounds.. 11.22.15 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@line-ppp2-214.deshevshe.net) 11.22.34 # jhMikeS: Double clicks for dirskip would be bad 11.22.37 # true...something should be online for quick reference. 11.22.44 # amiconn: I'm thinking that too 11.22.56 # Short-long click is ok 11.23.15 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h8n8c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 11.23.17 # Short will get you the next song and maybe the next dir too 11.24.23 # If you are left-handed, side button + joystick on X5 is okay 11.24.41 # I still wonder why the X5 joystick is placed as it is 11.25.00 # amiconn: It's biased against we who have lh bias 11.25.02 # yay reproducable freeze ;-) 11.25.05 # Rather cumbersome position for european right-handed people 11.25.32 # palm it sideways and use thumb 11.26.04 # but I'm rather ambidextrous so I use it rh 11.26.39 # I do use my thumb, but as I am right-handed, the joystick would be better placed in the center or even at the left side instead of the right 11.26.49 Quit theli_ua (Client Quit) 11.27.58 # true...but it's a good stretching excersize...using the x5 left handed is very uncomfortable without spider fingers 11.28.26 # we have bouncing cards on solitare now? 11.29.05 Quit Siku (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.29.05 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.29.05 Quit Slasheri (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.29.27 # Ok wasn't entirely reproducable... but sometimes on early dirskip the playback+ui freezes, backlight and buttons (off) seem to work 11.29.43 # For me using the X5 left-handed is more comfortable than using it right-handed, even though I am right-handed 11.31.45 # Hm, just noticed that "Filename:" on the recording screen isn't translated... 11.31.46 Join Coldtoast [0] (n=edan@ppp105-175.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 11.32.06 # hi. Does rb include the album art patch as standard now? 11.32.26 # no 11.32.42 Quit Mancer (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC") 11.32.47 # ok. have there been any probs when ppl use the patch? 11.32.53 # does it screw anything? 11.33.08 # there should be comments about it on its flyspray page 11.33.24 # eh... just reading actually... it doesn't get the art fromt eh tag 11.33.45 # no it doesnt 11.42.01 Join bluebrother [0] (i=HpamylGq@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.43.40 # JdGordon: Does your table-based approach to menus & settings allow for dynamic menus? 11.44.54 # There are some menus in rockbox which hide some menu items depending on e.g. hardware details or the context they are called in 11.45.02 # Dynamic menus? How are they nescessarily static atm? 11.45.43 # The main menu dynamically enables/disables the "FM Radio" item depending on whether the hardware is detected or not 11.46.14 # that's my touch :) 11.46.22 # This is necessary for the recorder v2. The early v2s were in fact fm recorders, so they have the fm radio mounted and rockbox should make it usable 11.46.57 # Another example is the recording settings menu. When called from the FM radio screen, it doesn't show the source selection item 11.47.47 # there's gonna be a lot more of that soon too with the recording settings dictated by encoder settings 11.47.56 # Ah, yes 11.48.20 # amiconn: did you do something to make solitare harder to win? ;) 11.48.36 # Some items also use dynamic text (e.g. the eq menu), but that's bad for voicing, so I think this should be changed 11.48.39 # jhMikeS: Nope. 11.49.04 # * jhMikeS must just be sucking at it atm... :( 11.49.08 # I have one more local change for even better animation, and I will change one more thing 11.49.25 # I want to win a game to see the bouncing cards 11.49.37 # Currently, solitaire saves settings after every game won, and it does so even if the (only) setting didn't change 11.52.40 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.52.40 NJoin Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 11.56.25 Quit SanaciousD () 11.59.13 # morning amiconn, do u know how (if?) the iriver hxxx saves any settings to the eeprom currently? 12.00.22 # JdGordon: Does your table-based approach to menus & settings allow for dynamic menus? <- umm... im not sure, i dont tihnk so 12.02.40 Quit dongs (Remote closed the connection) 12.02.42 Join dongs [0] (n=HPUX@i249222.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 12.04.50 # amiconn: I guess a semi easy way to do it would be add a bool* to the menu struct to check wheather or not to add the item (the menu's are const'ed which makes things a bit difficult) 12.04.57 # yeah...bouncing cards! 12.06.04 # Actually what would be helpful is option lists with an actual value associated with it in the structure... 12.06.09 # JdGordon: The item arrays of most menus are const'ed atm. The ones for these special menus are not 12.06.39 # They are constructed at runtime 12.06.59 # I wonder whether we can find a better method 12.07.38 # depends which menus need to be dynamic... because we can just have a list for each case and run the needed one... but thats no good for submenus 12.08.42 # Well, the item lists itself can be const, if we have a separate way to exclude certain items from being displayed 12.08.44 # .. the do_menu function is called with a menu to start at, so the fm screen could have 2 menu lists, and just call do_menu() with the correct list 12.09.23 # ... doing this would be less space overall but slightly more painful 12.10.38 # Hmm, as long as only one item per menu is optional having 2 versions of the table could be manageable, but not when there's more than one item (with different conditions) 12.11.00 # 2 conditions would mean 4 tables etc... 12.11.11 # there is no real reason why functions couldnt dynamically biuld their lists as needed... 12.11.31 # as long as all the needed sub-items are put in a .h 12.11.39 # are decleared in a .h anyway... 12.11.52 # Hmm, yes. 12.12.19 # Imho there's even a better method for dynamically building a menu than the currently used method 12.12.34 # Currently, dynamic menus are constructed item-by-item 12.12.45 # (have a look at e.g. the main menu) 12.13.09 # blank menu items aren't skipped by the selector either...we need disabled menu items too 12.14.10 # We could use several partial arrays containing the fixed items, plus some single-item arrays containing the optional items, and assemble the dynamic list with a couply of memcpy()s 12.14.39 # I've even put dynamic items at the end of the menu for the mp3 encoder and just tell init_menu that it has fewer items 12.15.21 # That surely works for some meus, but is too limited for general use 12.15.28 # *menus 12.15.36 # You mean not filling the structure completely as compile time? 12.16.28 # No, I mean not filling the structure used for actual display at all, but fill it block-by-block by copying from several partial lists 12.16.40 # wont that be slow? 12.16.53 # It would be faster than the current method 12.17.49 # It's just a bunch of memcpy() calls, with the destination pointer advancing to point behind the added partial list 12.17.53 # Ok...the items are grouped and then merged into the final struct for display. 12.18.02 # This advancing is dead simple - just a sizeof() 12.18.08 # we could have a seperate list of "disableable" items, and any part of the code and en/dis able it whenever they want? 12.18.08 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.169.166) 12.18.22 # How bout just a flag set for each item? 12.18.40 # the items are all const'ed so we cant chaneg tehe flag at un time 12.18.55 # Then do the copy...change...display thing 12.19.23 # or add some apis to change characteristics after initializing the menu 12.20.22 # but then it cant' use the const array directly... 12.21.17 # looks like im off to do the typical yobbo thing and watch the footy @ the pub.. ttyl 12.21.42 # JdGorndon: ???? 12.21.50 # i tinhk s sepearte array of disableable items would work becuase the number of them would be small compared to the number of static items 12.22.05 # jdgordon: what about a bool array as argument to the show menu function? 12.22.06 # we need an alloca function 12.22.18 # good to see the builds < 5 mins now 12.22.29 # if null, show everything, otherwise show items where corresponding array item is true. 12.22.59 # Lear: im not sure if that would work so well... the callee would need to know how big each menu array is 12.23.00 # No separate parallel arrays please! 12.23.06 # Lear: Sounds complicated keeping the arrays in sync with each other.... 12.23.22 # true... 12.23.26 # jhMikeS: Are you sure alloca doesn't work in Rockbox? 12.23.30 # JdGordon: Hmm, the menu items can have a callback, correct? 12.23.35 # yes 12.23.43 # That's why I want set option to return the value not the index if asked 12.24.08 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.24.08 # ...and there is code to add each item to the list widget when the menu is built 12.24.11 # If the compiler would support it then I think _alloca would work at least on coldfire 12.24.32 # alloca() should work 12.24.43 # jhMikeS: Tremor uses alloca... 12.24.46 # then what about an array of id:s specifying what to hide (if, as I recall it, the string id is used in the menu)? 12.25.11 # Iirc one has to use __builtin_alloca() but there should be a macro mapping that to alloca() 12.25.17 # What if the menus use strings directly for some reason? 12.25.23 # amiconn: atm, the menu item callback is called before the menu is enetered.. so it could return a list of items not to show.. or something similar.. if will be fun trying to keep it all in sync.. but it could work 12.25.41 # JdGordon: I mean the item can have a callback 12.25.52 # yes 12.26.02 # This callback could be used for several purposes (e.g. selectable by a parameter) 12.26.24 # amiconn: Looking at Tremor, it just seems to use alloca() directory with no magic. 12.26.30 # s/directory/directly/ 12.26.34 # the callback is just called when the item is selected... 12.26.47 # If the callback is e.g. called with that parameter set to MENU_INIT, it could return true or false depending on whether this item should be displayed or not 12.27.19 # jhMikeS: WHo says that can't be changed? 12.27.23 # Are we talking about adding parameters to the callback? 12.27.33 # amiconn: not me :) 12.27.51 # jhMikeS: well, the patch text says it does do mpeg2 rates 12.28.18 # The advantage would be that no extra space would be needed for the lists (as the callback fn pointer is already there) 12.28.26 # preglow: patch text? man...I neglected to read something then 12.28.33 # Lear: yo, didya try out gcc 4.1 for cf? 12.28.37 # preglow: what about the other stereo modes? 12.28.38 # ..and the callback would only be present for items which actually need it 12.29.19 # jhMikeS: it's right there on the page :) - supports MPEG2 sample rates (24000, 22050, 16000) 12.29.21 # preglow: your update or the original (FS#5939) do you mean? 12.30.51 # the one posted yesterday 12.31.16 # * JdGordon gone... ill give this callback stuff a try in a few hours when i get back, semi drunk :D 12.31.44 # preglow: I did, yes. 12.32.08 # Lear: any conclusions? 12.32.35 # preglow: what page? I see the commit notice but that's all...ok I'm being dumb...but I'm half asleep...help me out! :) 12.32.37 # preglow: about same size as 4.0.3, but a bit slower (for Tremor at least). 12.33.06 # preglow: and it can optimize away delay loops (easy to avoid, but you need to know where they are...) 12.34.32 # jhMikeS: FS #5959 12.34.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5959 12.34.59 # i hope i haven't fucked something up, i was nearly catatonic when i commited that yesterday, heh 12.35.23 # Lear: how nice! 12.35.47 # then i can't honestly say i see any reason to switch to gcc4 for cf 12.35.49 # preglow: thanks 12.36.53 # jhMikeS: btw, when did we get mono recording support? i didn't notice that get commited 12.37.35 # preglow: I just enabled it on iriver...forgot to change #defines around...it always had it 12.37.42 # about a week ago 12.39.22 # really 12.39.24 # well, that rules 12.39.39 # preglow: no added stereo modes? nothing mentioned about that on the page. 12.39.46 # the mp3 encoder is actually pretty ok quality for its speed 12.40.11 # my ears are sensitive and 224 seems to be the sweet spot or it was before 12.40.33 # i wonder if we could hack it to vbr 12.40.57 # * jhMikeS want to know the stereo modes available! c'mon! Simple Q! ;) 12.41.05 # there's nothing about stereo modes 12.41.12 # i have no idea, i just read what he wrote 12.41.15 # didn't do any code diving 12.41.45 # What happened...you took his code and treaked it and put it in your patch? 12.41.53 # it's not my patch 12.41.54 # it's his 12.42.00 # he posted it yesterday 12.42.21 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@p54B7D39C.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.42.25 # unless it was all a dream and i don't know exactly what you're talking about :> 12.42.34 # oh...ok...ah I'm so sleepy 12.43.07 # I asked him about all that and he said he gave up on joint stereo in at least the first iteration 12.43.51 # ahh, so it doesn't do that 12.43.52 # pity 12.43.54 # He's not around much that I know of and can't just engage him to ask him about everything I need to know 12.44.18 # he's been here a couple of times 12.44.26 # but mail seems to be your best bet with him 12.45.12 # ok...well if he doesn't do it then I'm gonna have to get into it at the first opportunity. 12.46.08 # but I've got to integrate the codec model changes into that code now... 12.46.46 # AND it has to write correct silence at the beginning and end of files like you're supposed to to flush it 12.47.30 # Maybe then add a XING header...it could also be able to add ID3 tags in the new incarnation 12.48.02 # Hwcodec recording does write an (empty) id3v2 tag and a xing header for ages... 12.48.22 # Maybe there's some reusable code 12.48.38 # well...I'm hoping there is a xing header function pointer in the codec api 12.48.58 # I mean I'm hoping, 12.49.00 # Perhaps it's not in the codec api, but there is such a function 12.49.16 # It's part of id3.c iirc 12.49.16 # there is one there...I left out important punctuation 12.50.30 # Everything will go in the encoder chunks...even headers...and markers of where files start and end...they won't be created at every new file 12.50.51 # the files won't be created immediatly that is 12.51.16 # which meant some tweaks for create_numbered_filename and create_datetime_filename 12.51.36 # ? 12.51.52 # The files aren't created immediately on hwcodec either 12.52.05 # They're created at the first buffer flush 12.52.22 # This is to avoid hd noise on short internal microphone recordings 12.52.23 # The lazy file creation would allow you to create many files in the same second...and create_numbered_filename needs to have them exist 12.52.47 # amiconn: That isn't the way it is currently...I'm doing that for SWCODEC...didn't know HW was like that 12.54.05 # Each chunk has a small header with flags including: CHUNKF_FILE_END, CHUNKF_FILE_START and there's a queue for the filenames 12.54.32 # Well, hwcodec does the simple version. Files are created at the first buffer flush, but splitting the recording manually always triggers a flush 12.54.44 # This way numbered filename creation doesn't break 12.55.02 # amiconn: SWCODEC wont' do that...numbered creation will work still 12.55.33 # As long as dircache is enabled it won't have to hit the disk 12.56.25 # The queueing stuff would be overkill on hwcodec 12.56.26 # create_datetime_filename will have a unique_time param to make sure that two calls don't happen within the same second 12.57.08 # amiconn: plenty of room at the end of the audiobuffer for a good queue of 30 filenames 12.57.26 # Yes... but it makes very little sense with only 2MB of RAM 12.57.49 # amiconn: true...but I'm not changing hwcodec at all 12.57.58 # ...and I dunno, does anyone use file split excessively? 12.58.31 # I think some do...and the disk spinning is bad when using internal mic 12.58.39 # If you're going for the queueing approach, what would happen if more than 30 filenames queue up? 12.58.46 # Flush one out 12.58.53 Join maara [0] (n=maara@80.188.215.28) 12.58.55 # more codecs for recording would be cool... like speex that would be fun, and of course ogg ;) 12.59.07 # at that point you have no choice but that should be rare condition 12.59.20 # Realtime vorbis encoding is probably out of question 12.59.33 # no doubt...can barely decode it rt 12.59.43 # ah 12.59.48 # how about speex :) 12.59.53 # Even realtime mp3 encoding is only possible with severe quality compromises 12.59.55 # hi i have one quick question 13.00.31 # realtime vorbis might be possible, but we would have to make our own encoder 13.00.36 # i have ipod yet and i want to know if rockbox can display filename instad of ID3 tag.... thx 13.01.11 # pcmrec_callback will let you flush and count you want now...-1 (all) 0 (threshhold) > 0 file count 13.01.29 # *any count 13.02.29 # It's a whopper of a change to this...but should work well...I'll make it work well! It WILL work 'cause I say so! 13.02.43 # :D 13.04.39 # maara: yes it can 13.09.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.10.30 # anybody know what mAh rating the battery in the X5L is 13.11.30 # the almighty devicechart knows 13.11.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart 13.11.56 # nifty 13.13.31 # numbered file name creation won't break if you just remember the last number and call create_numbered_filename with the last number + 1 13.14.16 # I added an extra in/out param just for this... 13.15.03 # Set the int pointer to NULL and the old behavior is the same 13.20.38 # * jhMikeS is wondering if he really should enable GP0 interrupts for the pcf50606 in pcf50506-x5.c or is there a better file to do that in? 13.20.42 # eh, why would pdir1full actually crash? 13.20.48 # anyone know why the ipod writes 2 pixels to the lcd at a time? 13.21.04 # @Bagder: great! thanks 13.21.10 # barrywardell: I'ts in a hurry 13.21.15 # barrywardell: wouldn't it make sense to always write as much as you can at once? 13.21.39 # yes, but i just tried changing it to 1 on the h10 and got a small speed increase 13.21.53 # 26-27fps 13.22.02 # i mean 26->27fps 13.22.20 # wondering if I'm missing something 13.22.51 # No interrupt should be at level 7 correct then it won't be disabled when HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL is set, right? 13.24.29 # linuxstb: I noticed a problem in Sudoku (in a sim) - the lines of the board are drawn with the theme's foreground colour... if one set it to something else than black it looks odd (it also uses the theme's background colour but that's not so important) 13.25.02 # And there's no concern over other interrupts interfering with communication with the PMU during interrupt handling? So no set_irq_level(HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL) is needed there? 13.27.40 # If you want to see what I did just look at the pcf50606-x5.c update on the main page...tell me if something is a gotcha...but the code seems to work as I expected. 13.28.17 # so even with the battery capacity set at 2250mAh the battery life meter says like 14 hours left, i thought these were supposed to get 35 13.37.14 Join Crackerizer [0] (n=root@58.181.190.82) 13.37.51 # with the battery capacty, the lowest you can set it to is 1300mAh. Surely the Nano battery isn't 1300? 13.38.28 # Quazgaa: that's because we haven't made the estimate very good yet on the x5 13.40.32 # Noone knows about those last few q's or are the answers just too obvious to ask about it? ??? 13.40.58 # preglow: I don't think there's a real trap other than UIE for pdir1full. 13.41.09 # might not be 13.41.15 # but why isn't dma servicing it anyway? 13.41.18 # Coldtoast: correct, that should be fixed too 13.41.27 # someone running around with disabled interrupts or something? 13.41.55 # Bagder: does it affect the accuracy of the batt display on WPS at all? 13.42.13 Join Alfius [0] (n=Alfius@host86-138-43-241.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) 13.42.13 Quit Alfius (Client Quit) 13.42.15 # not that alone, no 13.42.40 Join Alfius [0] (n=Alfius@host86-138-43-241.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) 13.42.42 # the batt display generally works without care for the mah value 13.42.43 Quit Alfius (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.42.48 # the mah is for run-time estimation 13.43.00 Join alfius [0] (i=568a2bf1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.43.06 # hiya 13.43.21 # preglow: I guess I'll read up on why DMA would get delayed it reading the FIFO...others are having this problem too. 13.43.54 # just a quick query: now ive installed rockbox onto my nano how do i get music onto it ... i used ml_ipod before will that still work? 13.45.57 # alfius: create a dir called Music or something in the root and copy songs there 13.46.08 # copy music onto it anywhere you liek tho 13.46.27 # preglow: come to think of it...you could spend a lot of time mucking about in DMA1 and the FIFO will be filling up at the same time. 13.46.34 # then just browse the file list and find whatever you want to play 13.46.59 # you'l see the nano is just another drive in Windows Explorer 13.47.13 # * jhMikeS doesn't really know the answer for sure so will shut up till he does 13.55.21 Part pixelma 13.55.34 Nick StrathAFK is now known as Strath (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 13.57.21 # jhMikeS: oh? 13.57.41 # jhMikeS: i thought the dma interrupt was over with pretty quick 13.57.48 # just copied a buffer then returned 14.00.54 # preglow: only 6 samples in FIFO...it's doing the peaking in there for each DMA chunk 14.01.07 Quit Coldtoast () 14.02.42 Quit Crackerizer ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 14.05.09 Quit maara (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era") 14.11.35 Join [San] [0] (n=San@212.2.165.195) 14.12.08 Quit alfius ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.29.44 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.30.00 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 14.31.03 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host28-141.pool8256.interbusiness.it) 14.35.59 # * JdGordon back 14.38.52 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 14.48.42 Join D_C [0] (n=yay@203-166-239-117.dyn.iinet.net.au) 14.49.17 # do you think defragging a hard drive based mp3 player is a good idea? 14.49.28 # it wont hurt... 14.51.52 # it's slow though... 14.51.52 # amiconn: i'v just added the dynamic menu item stuff... dont know if it actually works or not.. but it didnt add too much code to do. so should be good 14.56.22 # hmm... damn.. this isnt going to work 14.58.28 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A6A6A.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.58.29 Join leftright [0] (n=leftrigh@p54994D5E.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.59.17 # instead of defragging on the player, I copy the files to and external HD, and then copy them back to the player, its far quicker 15.01.52 # it'll take forever to defrag files on yor player if you don't have enough disk space, 15.02.04 # free disk space 15.02.43 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 15.04.53 # is it a bug, a cheat or made on purpose that in bubble you can resume to the farest level (with 0 points though) you ever played by pressing down, resume and abort (down, FF, play for H10) in the highscore menu? 15.05.40 Part leftright 15.09.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.12.40 # It's on purpose. You can start playing on any level from 1 up to the farthest you ever reached before 15.12.45 # g2g 15.12.47 Part amiconn 15.16.45 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.17.20 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 15.23.05 Quit Quazgaa ("leaving") 15.29.13 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-231-19.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 15.35.50 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@125.188.3.72) 15.36.43 # anyone? 15.37.21 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.38.02 # Must Rockbox pay money partially later? 15.39.20 # For example, it means plugins or patchs, themes download. 15.42.03 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 15.42.56 # Jungti1234: are you asking if rockbox will stay free forever? 15.46.00 # Some Korean is strange. 15.46.10 # Have strange ideas. 15.46.37 # markun: of course, yes. 15.46.40 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF229.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.47.23 Join O11 [0] (n=irc@82-35-97-118.cable.ubr05.dals.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.47.42 # Hey.. I have a quick question.. 15.48.01 # yep? 15.48.05 # does anyone know how you add a song to play after the song you are currently playing on a h300? 15.48.05 # O11: just ask 15.48.22 # O11: hold NAVI on the song and select 'add next' 15.48.41 # (insert next?) 15.48.44 # thanks.. going to be playing some music at a party later.. should be useful =P 15.48.57 # hehe 15.49.11 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.52.31 # O11: you should read about party mode in the manual, that'll be useful 15.54.18 Quit solarflare ("Leaving") 15.54.34 # O11: or make a playlist within rockbox or on your pc for it. you can apend songs to a playlist from within rockbox too 15.54.37 # Jungti1234, you're in Japan, aren't you? 15.54.54 Quit [San] () 15.55.09 Join [San] [0] (n=San@212.2.165.195) 15.55.37 # no, I'm in korea 15.56.06 # oh. But can you tell me something about the fm radio settings there? 15.56.19 # I want to get more input on this topic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6332.0 15.56.40 # question to the linux users: how can I find out where a device is mounted? I don't mean /media // /mnt . /dev or something like this 15.56.46 # what's that? 15.57.03 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11703 15.57.06 # ?? :) 15.57.20 # Arathis, I don't get your question. Do you mean "mount"? 15.57.40 # Jungti1234, the fm radio range and settings? 15.57.54 # Arathis: type mount 15.57.56 # yes, I know but 15.58.13 # bluebrother: aren't the settings in israel different as well? 15.58.14 # Do you want Korean something? 15.58.30 # Jungti1234, can you confirm / correct the values I mentioned in that post? 15.59.06 # korea? japan? 15.59.14 # markun, I don't know about israel. But if someone around can tell me the correct parameters (and / or post it in the forums) it would be helpful 15.59.28 # bluebrother, Rondom: yeah, that's it. should have thought of that one XD 15.59.44 # Jungti1234, the one(s) you know. If you have knowledge of japan too it would be nice :) 15.59.57 # I know korea, japan 16.00.00 # bluebrother: this might be about israel: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4248.0 16.00.00 # but I haven't found information on korea before. 16.00.56 # hey 16.01.25 # Isn't US FM radio extent 87.5 ~ 108.0? 16.03.02 # Lynx_: bit late for that now.. i need to kick out.. but thanks for the help everyone.. 16.03.09 # i'll check it out later.. 16.03.20 # damn.. i think my battery has broken.. 16.03.23 # O11: just set it to party mode in the playback menu 16.03.28 # it lasts about 10 minutes 16.03.32 # ah 16.03.42 # i don't know why =( 16.03.57 # maybe I could replace the battery myself.. 16.04.22 # ive had my H320 for 2 years and my battery still lasts a while :/ 16.04.26 # bluebrother? 16.04.34 # D_C: with rockbox? 16.04.45 # ive only been using rockbox for about a month 16.04.58 # I should probably do a proper battery test to check.. 16.05.00 # anyway.. 16.05.01 # bye! 16.05.04 Quit O11 () 16.05.15 # were would i get iriver h3xx spare parts anyways? 16.06.44 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p548777AE.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.11.33 # Jungti1234, sorry, needed to answer the door. 16.15.05 # um 16.15.19 # Isn't US FM radio extent 87.5 ~ 108.0? 16.15.31 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]") 16.15.37 # I don't know for sure -- I got my informations from wikipedia. 16.15.53 # I think US use 87.5 ~ 108.0. 16.16.13 # japan is 76.0 ~ 108.0. 16.16.51 # ok 16.16.54 # Jungti1234: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_band 16.17.21 # "In Japan the FM broadcast band is 76–90 MHz" 16.17.25 # 87.9-107.9 ? 16.19.25 # ah 16.21.03 # japan is 76.0 ~ 90.0. 16.21.24 # korea is 87.5 ~ 108.0. 16.21.53 # so korea is the same range as europe. 16.22.05 # Do you know about frequency step size and deemphasis? 16.22.40 # korea? 16.22.44 # what is 'deemphasis'? 16.22.54 # step is.. 0.1mhz 16.23.19 # deemphasis is a intended disortion of the signal to improve the SNR. 16.23.34 # europe uses a time constant of 50µs, us 75µs. 16.29.07 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.30.17 # bluebrother: according to my h10 original firmware japan is 76.0-108.0 16.30.41 # korea, europe and us are 87.5-108.0 16.32.42 # ok. Are they different in step size? 16.33.31 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-13-190.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.34.12 # yes iriver is... something is strange. 16.34.49 # .05 for europe 16.34.53 # .1 for us 16.34.59 # .1 for korea too 16.35.01 # japan too. 16.35.18 # yes 16.35.52 Nick barrywardell_ is now known as barrywardell (n=barrywar@host-194-46-231-19.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 16.36.12 # assuming the iriver fw is right 16.37.10 # hmm. Using 87.5 - 108.0 for US sounds to be something like "convenient alternative" to me as according to wikipedia it's not that much. 16.37.53 # but I guess this is the way most tuner vendors deal with that issue. 16.48.22 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 16.49.13 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.51.32 Join ftugrul [0] (n=tugrul@85.99.88.68) 16.51.38 # hello! 16.54.05 # hi 16.59.06 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 17.09.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.21.40 # bye 17.21.58 Quit Jungti1234 () 17.31.53 Quit daurnimator ("I wonder where that fish could be...") 17.37.09 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurnima@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 17.37.39 # bluebrother: what is the frequency of "US Weather"? 17.38.39 # 162.4 to 162.55 MHz 17.38.53 # too bad 17.38.54 # but the TEA does tune up to only 160 MHz. 17.39.34 # I think we should add only those region values that are "standard", i.e. all usual fm recievers can tune into. 17.39.45 # In the forum you wrote the TEA can only go up to 108.. 17.39.48 # the samsung tuner can tune as low as about 10 MHz. 17.40.07 # erm, you're right. 17.40.26 # replace my last sentence about the upper frequency of the TEA 17.40.27 # in patch 5448 he claims up to 134MHz 17.41.28 # wow, and as low as 1MHz! 17.41.55 # really? 17.42.02 # hmm, I got my information from the data sheet. 17.44.36 # I guess the datasheet is not very accurate then 17.44.44 # I'm curious if he can actually receive something with that frequencies -- of course you can write that frequencies to the chip 17.45.00 # but that doesn't mean it actually does something ;-) 17.45.27 # someone would have to try -- but I don't know how I should do this 17.45.46 # (and I'm not interested in receiving something different than fm radio) 17.45.52 # I read somewhere that he could listen to traffic control (> 108MHz) but I can't find that info anymore 17.46.35 # I jusr discovered the magic of drawing ideas on paper before programming them :P 17.48.56 Quit apo`` (Remote closed the connection) 17.49.58 Join apo`` [0] (i=apo@gateway/tor/x-74d77c7783d033f2) 17.50.34 # looks like he is changing the divider for getting into other frequency ranges. 17.51.12 # oops, looked at the wrong data byte. 17.52.42 # he added displaying the signal strenght ... but not translateable and only in german. 17.54.05 # not translatable? 17.57.48 # no, he hardcoded the text in some snprintf call 17.58.06 # ah, well, not difficult to fix that 17.58.11 # are there sepcial rules (like a limited amount of screenshots) for plugins in the manual ? 17.58.17 # could be changed of course. But that would also require to implement the functionality ;-) 17.58.26 # dionoea, no 17.58.36 # k, thanks 17.59.02 # but you should of course follow the LatexGuidelines if you're TeX-ing it ;-) 17.59.33 # of course :) 17.59.52 # I don't think we should support tuning the radio to non-radio frequencies 18.01.34 Join Febs [0] (n=shortcho@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 18.01.40 # bluebrother: are you planning to add a 'region selection 18.02.05 # which sets the deemphasis en range? 18.03.35 # markun, yes. Like Linus said in the comments of FS#5929; I agree this would be the best way. 18.04.04 # can't you auto probe that ? 18.04.16 # giving the user the possibility to set all parameters separately would only cause additional confusion. Setting to "Europe" should be clear to anyone located in Europe. 18.04.29 # how should I autoprobe that? 18.04.37 # i don't have a clue :) 18.04.57 # some difference in the signal 18.05.02 # I don't believe there is something we could use for autoprobing the setting. 18.05.21 # so I guess it's not possible. If someone has a breaking idea maybe ;-) 18.05.43 # * dionoea wonders how sony's radios do ... i'll check if there's a "region" switch 18.05.46 # brb 18.05.47 # but the tuner can only tell if he found a signal. Could be anything 18.06.14 # I guess they are already localised on shipping. 18.06.30 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 18.07.18 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-30-185.dyn.iinet.net.au) 18.07.35 Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection) 18.08.46 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 18.09.24 # bluebrother: it's this radio (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=ICFSW7600GR&Dept=audio&CategoryName=pa_Radio_WorldBandRadio) ... i don't think that they have some hardcoded "world location" setting 18.10.59 Nick kclaf is now known as AnnnnnnnA (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 18.11.29 # Frequency Range: FM: 87.6-108MHz -- I guess they are simply using europe's setting for the deemphasis. Most users won't notice the difference when in US. 18.11.58 # additionally, it can't tune into japans frequencies. 18.12.16 # hum ... ok :) 18.13.56 # is it deemphasis or preemphasis ? 18.18.42 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 18.18.45 Part pagefault ("Leaving") 18.18.48 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 18.21.33 # on the tuner's side it's deemphasis 18.32.35 Part pagefault ("Leaving") 18.32.47 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 18.38.08 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.42.14 Nick daurn|laptop is now known as daurn|afk (n=quae@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 18.42.18 # bluebrother: googeling for "NuJew" gives me a lot of Thai hits so perhaps it's Thailand with the 0.25MHz stepsize 18.44.11 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 18.44.16 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE610.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.45.45 # bluebrother: also Laos has 0.25MHz steps http://www.dxing.info/articles/laos.dx 18.52.42 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.59.24 Quit Rondom_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.01.58 # hmm, Laos could be covered with the Europe setting. 19.01.58 Quit Criamos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.02.22 # seems to have the same frequency limits and I assume the deemphasis to be 50 19.03.52 # too bad I can't find a worldwide reference. Would be really helpful 19.04.35 Quit TCK (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.09.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.09.51 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006071912]") 19.15.58 # yes, I've been searching for that as well 19.16.43 # I think we should simply go with some known regions like us and europe and wait for the users to complain ;-) 19.20.37 Quit merbanan ("Leaving") 19.21.41 # agreed 19.22.09 Join wo [0] (n=wo@p54B13A64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.22.17 # HI 19.22.20 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.23.06 # are there any rockbox ports for the elio tpj 1022 ? 19.24.22 # wo: no 19.24.33 # :( 19.24.37 # thx 19.24.38 # i think linuxstb recently got one of those 19.24.50 # he made a start 19.24.50 # elio tatung, is it the same? 19.24.59 # linuxstb ? 19.25.10 # yes, i think they have various names 19.25.14 # yes 19.25.40 # wo: there could be a port in the future then 19.25.47 # cool 19.25.55 Join inuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 19.26.08 Nick inuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb_ (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-503ed142a93f06be) 19.27.10 # wo: it's a portalplayer 5020 based device 19.27.16 # hmm ... does someone know if the low volume issue appears only in some regions? 19.27.22 # similar in ways to the h10 and ipods 19.27.30 # bluebrother: the linux kernel only mentions 0 / 50 / 75 for deemphasis 19.27.44 # ok 19.28.04 # wo: Yes, I've got a TPJ-1022 and have made a tiny bit of progress with porting Rockbox. Main hurdle now is reverse-engineering the original firmware in order to write an LCD driver. 19.28.26 # cool 19.28.33 # dionoea, that's correct -- fm radio uses 50 or 75. Other transmission use different (read about J.17 earlier) or none. 19.29.15 Join servidas [0] (i=ewin@why.must.you.bitchat.us) 19.29.18 # are you able to install rockbox on the tpj ? 19.29.44 # he doesn't have a LCD driver ... so that wouldn't be very likely i guess :) 19.30.25 # wo: I'm still at the stage of running test programs. But once the LCD is working, I should be able to get Rockbox booting. 19.31.36 # what tests do you make ? 19.32.29 # and which programing language do you use to write programs for the elio ? 19.33.07 # The ATA driver is working, so I can write files to disk. I've used that to work out how to detect some of the buttons, and failed attempts to make the LCD do something. 19.33.12 # It's C. 19.34.00 # c ? 19.34.09 # not assembler ? 19.34.22 # cool 19.34.48 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE610.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.35.00 # There's some assembler needed, but that's mostly already written for the ipod ports already, so it can be used for the Elio (same CPU). 19.37.04 # cool and another question maybe you use the new firmware from tatung are you able to play any videos ? 19.38.29 # No, I've never tried the Tatung firmware. I bought it just to port Rockbox. 19.38.41 # wow ? 19.38.42 Quit Rondom (Client Quit) 19.38.50 # wow ! 19.38.54 # As a Linux user, I don;t think Tatung even allow me to use it. 19.39.08 # haha 19.39.16 # i use linux too ! 19.39.25 # :) 19.39.51 # Is there a way to transfer music/videos from Linux to it? 19.40.10 # yes 19.40.31 # only mount it as a fat32 hdd 19.40.51 # and copy the music you want to it 19.41.10 # I thought there was a database that needed updating? 19.42.14 # yes but ones you got one file on the elio you can copy the files to the directory 19.43.03 # that is created by the software 19.43.24 # So I have to use the Tatung software at least once? 19.43.31 # yes 19.43.57 # maybe there is another way to do it 19.44.49 # but i think this is the easiest 19.45.13 # Oh well, it's not important. I have other DAPs with Rockbox that I can use. 19.45.17 # if you got an windows system running 19.46.02 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.46.55 # I do, but I'ld rather not install unnecessary software on it. I don't have any MP3 or WMA music anyway... 19.47.29 # no mp3 ? 19.47.47 # why do you need mp3 player ? 19.48.18 # if you don't have any mp3 music ? 19.48.22 # Everything I have is FLAC (my own CDs) and MP2 (digital radio recordings). 19.48.39 # ok 19.50.30 # can i maybe help you with the port ? 19.51.58 # Do you know C or ARM assembler? 19.52.09 # i know C 19.53.23 # but i think at this stage of development this is nt very usefull 19.53.40 # but i think at this stage of development this is not very usefull 19.53.45 # Then I'm sure you can help. First thing would be to setup a Rockbox build environment (basically just gcc for ARM), download the Rockbox source (from CVS is recommended), and compile it. 19.54.39 # ok 19.55.00 # gcc for ARM ? 19.55.51 # A useful thing at this stage would be to create a "UI simulator" for the Elio. This is built using the normal Rockbox source code, so getting the UI sim working would make it easier to get Rockbox itself working once all the low-level drivers are written. 19.56.02 Quit Pyromancer (Connection timed out) 19.56.35 # wo: Yes, gcc can create code for many different CPUs, including ARM. You just specify the target architecture when compiling gcc. 19.57.00 Join Pyromancer [0] (n=pyromanc@dsl092-069-150.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 19.57.03 # If you get the Rockbox source code, there is a script (tools/rockboxdev.sh) which will setup the cross-compiler for you. 19.57.05 # ok i was reading the man 19.57.20 # wo, there is a script that can set up the build environment for you. Look for tools/rockboxdev.sh 19.57.32 # There's lots of developer documentation on the website as well. 19.57.45 # ok 19.58.32 # is there a user interface emulator for the elio or for rockbox ? 19.58.46 # or simulator ? 19.59.21 # There are simulators for all targets Rockbox runs on - but not the Elio yet. 19.59.24 # for what model? 19.59.25 # because how do i test the UI ? 19.59.34 # ah 20.00.17 # wo: Get the Rockbox source, and compile one of the simulators for an existing target - it should become clearer then. 20.00.51 # yes i thing it would be better ;) 20.09.25 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 20.11.10 # linuxstb_ how often are you in the irc ? 20.12.19 # Most days. 20.12.49 # do you got IM adress ? 20.13.15 # No, I don't use IM. 20.13.20 # ok 20.14.15 # i have to go offline 20.14.31 # :( 20.15.17 # linuxstb_ see you next time :) 20.16.09 # OK, see you later. 20.16.16 Quit wo ("Leaving") 20.25.28 Quit BHSPitMonkey ("Leaving") 20.25.29 Quit cismo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.26.08 Join raven_tker [0] (n=rtex@64.73.198.35) 20.27.34 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-68-95-246-24.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 20.27.49 Join cismo [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-36-215.kotinet.com) 20.30.25 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.38.44 Quit nls (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 20.44.02 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-77-251.dynamic.qsc.de) 20.47.16 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 20.52.05 Part raven_tker 20.52.59 Quit D_C (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.54.50 Quit pagefault (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.56.06 Join raven_tker [0] (n=rtex@64.73.198.35) 20.56.18 Part raven_tker 20.57.25 Join `burns [0] (n=tom@199-201-8-8-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) 20.59.58 # <`burns> hello everyone 21.00.14 # <`burns> I have a question 21.00.31 # ask 21.00.47 # <`burns> what player does rockbox work best on? i.e. supports the most music formats, etc. 21.01.05 # <`burns> cause i'm looking to buy one 21.01.16 # <`burns> hopefully under $200 21.01.36 # how much storage do you want? 21.01.44 # Do you want a colour screen? 21.01.49 # <`burns> at least 5 gigs 21.02.03 # that rules out most anything but used. 21.02.18 # <`burns> I don't want to play video, so a color screen doesn't really matter 21.02.33 # I, personally, don't have an iRiver H340, but my buddy does, and he loves it. 21.03.19 # `burns: you can get the h120 from iriver below $200 21.03.19 # it has no color-screen, but works as good as the h3xx series with rockbox 21.03.37 # the H140 is B/W, whereas the 340 is colour 21.03.46 # you could always go 120 / 320 21.03.51 # smaller hard drives. 21.04.05 # even the h110 would be sufficient 21.04.09 # <`burns> I wouldn't mind a refurbished one, how much would the 320/340 be? 21.04.20 # above $200 21.04.27 # belze beat me to the punch. It took me a minute to realize the 340/140 is bigger than you said you wanted. 21.04.36 # <`burns> what about the 120? 21.05.04 # a friend of mine got a new one for about 170 euros 21.05.10 # on ebay 21.05.16 # <`burns> thats not too bad 21.05.26 # indeed 21.05.51 # <`burns> so definitely the iriver series, then? 21.06.03 # i would alway go for iriver :) 21.06.17 # <`burns> versus, say, a 20gig iPod? 21.06.19 # the h3xx and h1xx series have the best sound quality i heared so far 21.06.27 # even though the noise floor is a little too high 21.06.48 # i was very disappointed of the sound quality on the ipods 21.07.19 # <`burns> okay, I'll check out the iriver h1xx series then 21.07.22 # <`burns> thanks 21.07.48 # the only 20gig ipods are used, and rockbox on the 3rd generation is still very crude, and the 4th seems to have crashing problems at this time. 21.08.26 # <`burns> that's bad, then 21.08.35 # I've ABXd my ipod 5g vs my friend's H340, and can't tell a difference with low-impedance phones. 21.08.35 # <`burns> I think I'll go with the iriver 21.09.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.09.42 # But rockbox is constantly improving, there is no reason to believe the 3rd/4th generation ipod developement won't come through. 21.10.33 # <`burns> It seems like all the 4g ipods on Ebay are either really beat up or really expensive... 21.11.13 # barrywardell: doesn't cpu freq switching work on h10 yet? 21.11.45 # preglow: it works, but was causing a lot of freezes so I disabled it temporarily 21.12.02 # until I got more important things like the lcd and buttons fixed 21.12.13 # i'm starting to look at it now though 21.14.49 # `burns - might be worth waiting until September 13th if you are entertaining thoughts of an ipod at all. 21.15.07 # If new models are released there might be a flurry of sales on older ones. 21.15.53 # <`burns> yeah, that's right...Sep. 13 happens to be my birthday. :) 21.16.08 # may even be enough of an impact to pressure all used prices down. 21.16.34 # <`burns> but the ipod rockbox port is pretty stable? 21.18.23 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 21.18.32 # linuxstb_: there you go 21.18.35 # linuxstb_: marsdaddy replied 21.19.56 # preglow: That's good news. 21.23.13 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.23.52 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB314D3.ipt.aol.com) 21.25.13 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 21.25.48 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host28-141.pool8256.interbusiness.it) 21.30.12 Join t0mas [0] (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) 21.34.49 Join Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 21.38.54 Join pike [0] (i=amiga@c83-249-120-24.bredband.comhem.se) 21.39.00 # <`burns> can the iRiver h140 charge from USB? 21.39.42 # no 21.43.16 # <`burns> thanks 21.44.51 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 21.46.16 Join leftright [0] (n=leftrigh@p54994D5E.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.47.03 # I just downloaded/Installed the latest bledding edge for H100's and get a checksum error upon rolo 21.48.23 # I think that means either the rockbox.iriver is corrupt, or you downloaded the wrong version. 21.48.46 # There are two h1x0 versions of Rockbox. 21.48.47 # there IS only one version to download for H1xx series, thats new 21.49.05 # check the download daily download page 21.49.50 # No, there have always been two - one for the h110/h115 (16MB RAM) and one for the h120/h140 (32MB RAM). 21.50.12 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@d01m-89-83-142-164.d4.club-internet.fr) 21.50.15 # yes I know, but have a look at the bleeding edge download page 21.50.51 # soory I mean the bleeding edge page not the daily page 21.51.10 # Yes, there's only one there... Not sure what's going on. 21.51.16 # * linuxstb_ pings Bagder 21.51.35 # Seems a lot of builds are missing. 21.52.10 # yep 21.52.20 # Ah, there are some build errors (red squares in the top line)... 21.52.37 # So some bleeding edge builds are missing at the moment for that reason. 21.52.48 # ok thanks 21.53.40 Part leftright 21.54.17 # It seems that one of the build servers has run out of disk space... 21.55.07 # * linuxstb_ pings the owner of www.weirdo.org.uk 21.56.17 # * barrywardell gets a new personal high score 21.56.23 # ... and the owner of fnarfbargle.com who doesn't have sh-elf-gcc installed. 21.57.14 # barrywardell: You can't claim the credit for it though - unless either of those build servers are yours. 21.57.44 # damn 21.58.19 # You need a good four-digit score anyway to challenge preglow's record. 21.58.53 # linuxstb_: does only bagder have access to the build serverS? 21.59.09 # linuxstb_: in a related note, can you remember my record? :> 21.59.21 # I assume LinusN and Zagor have, and maybe t0mas... 21.59.39 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 21.59.41 # And no I can't remember your record, but I have a feeling it was around 8000 22.00.04 # hm? what? 22.00.06 # wow, I'll never manage 8000 22.00.17 # t0mas: Do you have access to the build server 22.00.19 # ? 22.00.31 # ehm... 22.00.34 # I think I do 22.00.45 # what's wrong? 22.00.51 # There are two servers playing up that should probably be removed. 22.00.52 Part YouCeyE ("Leaving") 22.00.52 # I'm here now 22.00.59 # me fix 22.01.31 # ok 22.01.39 # Bagder: Can you manually start another bleeding edge build, or do you prefer to wait? 22.01.48 # I can restart on demand 22.05.21 # barrywardell: start feeding coldfire assembler to all the simulators and you might beat me, there are more sims these days 22.08.15 # * barrywardell is tempted to try it just to see what happens 22.09.18 # * Bagder jumps, marsdaddy is alive 22.09.28 # Apologies for the problems on www.weirdo.org.uk - I'll get it fixed tomorrow daytime 22.10.01 # great, just tell me and I'll re-add your server 22.10.55 # I mailed perplexity about his server (fnarfbargle.com) 22.16.40 Join Angry [0] (i=54388e89@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.16.49 # and about the legal thing, it is gonna take a while longer until disclosed 22.16.53 # THX Barry ^^ Great work again ^^ 22.17.43 Quit bilbravo (Remote closed the connection) 22.19.09 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.20.50 Join bilbravo [0] (n=bilbravo@pool-70-17-238-238.balt.east.verizon.net) 22.22.47 # Bagder: anything even remotely realistically serious? 22.22.59 # yes 22.23.07 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 22.23.13 # and it's a plugin thing? 22.23.29 # and the not revealing this is actually as advised by a legal adviser 22.23.47 # preglow: yes 22.23.51 # don't they always say that? :> 22.24.09 # well, this one can back it up with an explanation 22.24.14 Join reverendnathan [0] (n=reverend@cpe-24-24-129-72.socal.res.rr.com) 22.24.23 # oh, well 22.24.27 # Hey, so does Rockbox have the ability to queue tracks? 22.24.29 # and lawyers tend to know more law than I do ;-) 22.24.31 # Or have a queue manager? 22.24.49 # we have full playlist functionality 22.24.58 # you can queue, insert, remove and shuffle to your heart's content 22.25.01 # Also, are their DAPs that can queue tracks on their own firmware? 22.25.09 # Awesome! 22.25.22 # reverendnathan: there are such OFs, but OF always suck anyway 22.25.58 # i have a question about rockbox please: 22.26.28 # how can i resume from same "file view" when i restart my player? 22.26.43 # i mean, same folder... 22.26.58 # you can't 22.27.49 # hmm, thanks 22.28.04 # i've been trying to set it for last few days 22.28.26 # so, what does "bookmarks" for? 22.28.43 # they are bookmarks in songs/tracks 22.29.48 Quit Angry ("CGI:IRC") 22.30.02 # the legal secrets are driving Soap crazy. He is such a kid when it comes to secrets and waiting. 22.30.34 # I heard there's also a "legal thing" on a german Rockbox site 22.31.00 Join pepie34 [0] (n=romain@ANantes-256-1-50-179.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.31.20 # The Rockbox-lounge thing? 22.31.39 # yes 22.31.48 Quit reverendnathan ("...For I must be travellin' on now. There's too many places I've got to see.") 22.32.28 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.35.22 # ahhrrgghh, the nods and winks are driving me crazy! 22.36.07 # I don't actually know any more than you do. 22.36.15 # I found reference to that one in the logs. 22.37.49 # I'd rather not say anything more about that either since I don't know how that would affect their case 22.39.11 # * Soap burns a copy of current CVS to DVD for hoarding. 22.40.08 # At least we don't have the word "pod" as part of the names of any of our stuff. 22.41.30 # god knows 22.41.38 # i'll survive the non-disclosure, heh 22.42.11 # :-) 22.42.18 # * Bagder gets to play mr secret 22.42.48 # heh 22.43.05 # but still, Zagor is the one who handles the matter 22.43.26 # he's the scapegoat 22.43.35 # we never did anything, he did! 22.44.32 # is there an ETA on full disclosure? 22.44.40 # sorry, I'll shut up. 22.44.53 # not really, but I'd guess it'll take another week at least 22.45.01 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.45.14 Join Brock [0] (n=Brock@cpe-65-28-252-205.woh.res.rr.com) 22.45.19 # there are lawyers and legal people involved for talks and advice etc 22.45.40 # I mean, not big-time but friends and people we know that know these things 22.46.12 # as it involves people outside of Sweden too 22.51.31 # oh, come on 22.51.40 # dip into the rockbox fund and hire some big-shot lawyer 22.51.45 # for a couple of hours 22.52.19 # Chewbacca is a Wookie. 22.52.20 # Hahaha 22.52.41 Join sharpe [0] (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc0l.cable.mindspring.com) 22.59.16 Quit ShadowdogMU (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.00.07 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.00.08 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.03.01 Join pepie34_ [0] (n=romain@ANantes-256-1-49-72.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.04.04 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-33-102.perm.iinet.net.au) 23.04.47 # barrywardell: saw the great update on the H10! just some questioning: does "support for enable/disable" mean LCD disables with shutting backlight of or that I can adjust it to be disabled? and what does "Fix CPU frequency for both models" give me? 23.05.40 # the lcd disables when the backlight shuts off. hopefully that will save some battery 23.06.14 # there's also a lcd sleep option which you can set to totally power the lcd off. that could save even more battery 23.06.35 # i have it working but don't have it working to get the lcd to turn back on so it's not much use just yet 23.07.07 # the cpu frequency thing isn't really much of a big deal. i think it's mostly for display purposes 23.09.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.46 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.12.04 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-166-232-208.dyn.iinet.net.au) 23.16.00 Quit pepie34 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.16.42 # thanks barrywardell 23.17.27 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 23.18.18 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.18.48 # you're welcome. there's another update coming soon too. new keymaps :) 23.19.13 # wee 23.20.10 # barrywardell: btw: what's the problem with rockboy on the H10? Or why isn't it included in the bleeding edge builds? 23.20.27 # Arathis: because it isn't fixed for the h10 lcd 23.20.30 # i don't know. I haven't even tried it yet 23.20.33 # I believe this has been mentioned many times 23.21.08 # and you should see that it isn't for the x5 either 23.21.17 # Or the iPod Nano 23.21.18 # for the same reason 23.21.28 # Really, *any* color screen that's smaller than the Gameboy's resolution 23.21.51 # Bagder: ah, that explains why I was wondering. I thought it *was* for the X5 23.22.22 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) 23.23.41 # barrywardell: what do you mean by "soon"? next minutes or days or weeks.. 23.23.56 # i'm working on it now 23.24.05 # just ironing out the bugs 23.24.14 # maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow 23.24.17 Quit gtkspert_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.24.45 # wow. great. than I'll wait till than to update again :) 23.26.19 Join RayDee [0] (i=RayDee@dslb-084-056-219-223.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.26.38 # hi 23.31.00 Quit t0mas ("good night") 23.32.37 Quit pepie34_ ("Ex-Chat") 23.37.33 # hi RayDee 23.37.41 # hi markiun 23.37.45 # sorry, markun 23.38.02 # :) it's quite late here 23.38.16 # here too 23.38.22 Join pepie34 [0] (n=romain@ANantes-256-1-49-72.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.38.41 # i just stumbled over rockbox... i have some 3rd party portalplayer chipset noname 20GB HDD thing 23.38.52 # * Bagder awakes 23.39.22 # and rockbox looks pretty promising 23.39.31 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.39.36 # but it seems no one has yet tried any efforts on it 23.39.39 # RayDee: is there some info online? 23.39.40 Join karim [0] (n=karim@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) 23.39.50 # hi 23.39.54 # RayDee: you have a BL* or an mi4 for it at least? 23.40.04 # it does .mi4 upgrades, so yes 23.40.17 # RayDee: tried mi4code on that? 23.40.21 # foreign .mi4s don't work though 23.40.29 # badger: it's already decoded it seems 23.40.39 # What player is it? 23.40.39 # already decoded? 23.40.44 # at least so it says here: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html 23.40.57 # (decoding was successful) 23.40.59 # that means mi4code can decode it 23.41.16 # which means you can encode your own 23.41.31 # so, i suppose this is a postive thing :) 23.41.47 # yes, that takes you to step 2 at once 23.42.03 # nice 23.42.04 # 2 - build a rockbox bootloader that attempts to write a file using ATA 23.42.07 # * barrywardell awakes too 23.42.10 # RayDee: Rockbox CVS includes a test app (disguised as a bootloader) for the Elio TPJ-1022 which will probably run on your player. 23.42.41 # my player falls into this series: Medion MD 95x00 23.42.56 # the aldipod? 23.43.10 # yep 23.43.30 # i suppose i need linux for all this ? 23.43.45 # you can do it in cygwin too 23.43.53 # true that 23.43.54 # but it'll be slower 23.44.12 # or i could build it at work 23.44.32 # linuxstb: can you point me to some link ? 23.44.38 # or you download the rockbox vwware image 23.44.43 # and vmware player 23.45.30 # RayDee: that bootloader is not available as download, only as build-your-own from source 23.45.43 # oh, ic 23.46.01 # which you want anyway if you're gonna go one on one of the player 23.46.04 # so, basically i build the bootloader then generate the .mi4 file for my specific player ? 23.46.10 # yes 23.46.21 # then install the .rockbox "distro" on the hdd? 23.46.26 # The build process spits out a .mi4 file. 23.46.33 # RayDee: hold on ;-) 23.46.45 # You then copy that .mi4 to the player. There's no .rockbox yet... 23.46.47 # you need to do some homework before Rockbox works 23.47.11 # so i need to build the whole thing 23.47.20 # first try the bootloader 23.47.21 Quit karim (Remote closed the connection) 23.47.28 # you need to figure out a few things first 23.47.36 # ic 23.47.37 # before you even try to build rockbox 23.47.40 # What I'm talking about building is just a simple test-app you can use as a basis to write the necessary drivers to make Rockbox work. 23.48.04 # k, i'm going the cygwin way then i suppose 23.48.43 # Also, you should physically disassemble your player and try to identify the components. 23.49.00 # ew 23.49.02 # eeew 23.49.06 Quit Bger ("nite") 23.49.20 # it's all glued with no visible screws 23.49.23 # so convince a friend with the same player to do it! ;) 23.49.33 # really, you need to 23.49.34 # hehe 23.49.48 # i do now that it shares most of it's components with a 3G ipod 23.51.08 # RayDee: how did you find that out? 23.51.19 # a very good question 23.51.30 # hmm, i read it elsewhere months ago 23.51.54 # to be true, i cannot state how accurate that nfo was 23.52.06 # it's a portalplayer system for sure 23.52.28 # yes 23.52.56 # It probably just clips together, rather than being glued. My Elio is like that. It just takes a bit of squeezing... 23.53.42 # so there is no chance other than physically taking it apart? 23.53.57 # there is, but it'll be more of other work 23.54.02 # like some enumeration bootloader or something ? 23.54.03 # like reading disassembly 23.54.06 # eew 23.54.18 # or just poking around blindly 23.54.25 # eternally 23.54.33 # lol 23.55.36 # so, rockbox is a kinda elite thing, the +20 ice & +20 acid damage waraxe ? 23.56.19 # vErY el173, yes 23.56.31 # linuxstb: the whole thin is pretty rigid, no rattles or skreaks when bent or squeezed 23.56.35 # l337 23.57.08 # Rockbox is sort of an operating system and application suite for DAPs 23.57.24 # is there no way to read it off the orignial mi4 (or was that what you meant wirh reading disassembly?) 23.57.25 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 23.57.33 # Bagder: yea, i got that 23.57.38 # read what off? 23.57.52 # did you try to disassemble it? 23.57.59 # there's quite a large amount of code in there 23.58.00 # well, the stuff needed to build the appropriate rockbox 23.58.19 # yes, all the info neded is in there 23.58.35 # so you can read it off the mi4 23.58.37 # no, i did not... if i would already have, i wouldn't be here and ask stupid n00b questions