--- Log for 18.09.106  Server: kornbluth.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.53 #       <willzzz> any chance that rockbox will have zen micro support?
00.01.06 #       <Captain_A> yes
00.01.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If someone with a Zen Micro does it.
00.01.23 #       <Captain_A> when you decide to start coding for it
00.03.06 #       <vbsocverdude94> How do I find out if a wad is PRBoom compatible?
00.04.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Try it?
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00.18.47 #       <Stas_> hello!
00.19.37 #       <preglow> good day, sir!
00.19.55 #       <Soap> good evening
00.20.19 #       <Stas_> I just wanted to say that rockbox rocks.
00.20.29 #       <Stas_> Er, no pun intended :)
00.20.34 #       <vbsocverdude94> lol, got that right, I just got it today
00.20.58 #       <vbsocverdude94> are there any other plug-ins you can download?
00.21.41 #       <Stas_> Not a clue..
00.21.45 #       <Stas_> I got it yesterday ;p
00.22.01 #       <Stas_> But I already found the best plugin: chess!
00.22.06 #       <Soap> What drew you to RockBox?
00.22.57 #       <Stas_> The features, mostly :)
00.23.10 #       <Stas_> Plugins, themes, equalizer
00.23.14 #       <vbsocverdude94> me? Dunno, I was almost scared to, cuz I tried linux once and it bricked my nano, luckily apple sent me a new one
00.23.34 #       <vbsocverdude94> I like the cross fade and plugins
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00.24.50 #       <Stas_> oh, yeah
00.24.53 #       <Stas_> the crossfade too :D
00.24.58 #       <Stas_> oh
00.25.00 #       <Stas_> I have a question though
00.25.02 #       <preglow> i find it hard to believe linux bricked your nano
00.25.06 #       <Stas_> is there a way to speed up scrolling through long lists?
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00.26.43 #       <jhMikeS> preglow: the problem was in that recording.c patch. the codec loading was handled incorrectly.
00.26.46 #       <Soap> there is a work-in-progress patch to give the ipods acceleration-sensitive scrolling, much like the stock firmware, but it is not working at this time due to button-code changes.  Hopefully it will be fixed, and eventually added to the main body of rockbox in the future.
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00.28.36 #       <Stas_> h
00.28.36 #       <Stas_> h
00.28.39 #       <Stas_> Ah*
00.28.41 #       <Stas_> That's cool!
00.28.46 #       <Stas_> Man
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00.28.52 #       <Stas_> the themes for this thing are gorgeous
00.29.09 #       <TheMcPoon> Anyone know the mAh of the iPod Video 60GB?
00.30.34 #       <Soap> 1300
00.30.44 #       <Stas_> Is that the same as the 30GB?
00.30.51 #       <TheMcPoon> I suppose
00.30.54 #       <Soap> yes
00.31.03 #       <TheMcPoon> Thanks
00.31.13 #       <Soap> the 60 gig accheives its longer runtime through a double-sized RAM cache.
00.31.47 #       <Soap> (which is not currently used by rockbox :(   )
00.31.56 #       <TheMcPoon> Will it be?
00.32.05 #       <Soap> yes
00.32.30 #       <TheMcPoon> Any ETA?
00.33.25 #       <Soap> there is never going to be an ETA on any aspect of rockbox.
00.33.31 #       <TheMcPoon> Alright
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00.34.06 #       <O11> my h300 wont start ='(
00.34.36 #       <O11> what have i done wrong?
00.35.31 #       <O11> I deleted my rockbox files and then put the new daily build rockbox folder on my player and now the thing wont boot up..
00.35.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> O11: What does it say?
00.36.26 #       <O11> it boots up like normal.. gets up to the voltage then says loading firware.. then result: -1
00.36.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Then it's not finding the file rockbox.iriver
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00.37.05 #       <vbsocverdude94> you should of just extracted the files then when it says replace click yes
00.37.06 #       <mirak> hi
00.37.14 #       <mirak> what is logf support in rockbox ?
00.37.16 #       <O11> someone told me to delete it and that it makes an new file when it starts up..
00.37.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They were wrong
00.37.26 #       <O11> ok
00.37.32 #       <O11> i'll put the file in then..
00.37.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's the main file
00.37.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's the "program"
00.37.50 #       <O11> haha.. ok.. =)
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00.38.11 #       <O11> how do you see hidden files on your desktop?
00.38.22 #       <Soap> folder settings in windows
00.38.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That depends on your operating system.
00.38.43 #       <Captain_A> in windows go into explorer the toools
00.38.48 #       <Captain_A> then file view
00.39.08 #       <Captain_A> then scroll down to do not show hidden files
00.39.11 #       <Captain_A> and uncheck it
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00.40.04 #       <O11> thanks
00.40.18 #       <TheMcPoon> rockbox likes to confuse itself. It keeps jumping from 15-32% of battery
00.40.30 #       <TheMcPoon> lol
00.40.36 #       <Captain_A> battery settings don'trk right yet
00.40.39 #       <Captain_A> work
00.40.43 #       <TheMcPoon> I notice that
00.40.43 #       <TheMcPoon> lol
00.41.04 #       <Stas_> uhm
00.41.06 #       <ze> heh
00.41.07 #       <Stas_> I have a question..
00.41.12 #       <ze> don't'rk
00.41.13 #       <ze> :p
00.41.13 #       <Captain_A> shoot
00.41.41 #       <Stas_> oh
00.41.43 #       <Stas_> nvm actually :)
00.41.44 #       <Stas_> heh
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00.43.28 #       <O11> does anyone know how to set the normal h300 iriver firware to english?
00.43.33 #       <Soap> in answer to your question:  Yes, GYBE! was the peak.
00.43.39 #       <O11> i can't find it because it's in korean..
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00.44.00 #       <Soap> aren't there different firmwares for different languages?
00.44.18 #       <mirak> you can always put in english
00.44.29 #       <O11> no.. just for different regions.. the korean one still has english..
00.44.33 #       <O11> it's just better
00.44.41 #       <Stas_> Hm
00.44.47 #       <O11> i can't understand it to find where to change the setting..
00.44.51 #       <Stas_> What's better for lower battery consumption?
00.44.59 #       <Stas_> When the screen background is dark or light?
00.45.20 #       <O11> is it not possible to shut down the player while it's charging?
00.45.48 #       <Soap> there is debate over that.  By far the backlight consumes so much power in comparison to the LCD itself as to make it a miror quibble.
00.45.58 #       <Soap> *minor
00.47.05 #       <Stas_> ah
00.47.59 #       <TheMcPoon> How do I change it so when I press pause it doesn't go lower and lower volume, but just off
00.48.09 #       <O11> is there a plugin that you can use to test how long the battery lasts?
00.48.20 #       <O11> i have a feeling that my battery is really really short living..
00.49.00 #       <mirak> TheMcPoon: in the sound options
00.49.10 #       <TheMcPoon> which option is it?
00.49.15 #       <mirak> O11: buy another one it's cheap
00.49.31 #       <mirak> TheMcPoon: don't remember the name but it's in
00.50.21 #       <O11> mirak: i might as well check though right? =)
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00.51.13 #       <TheMcPoon> I can't find it..
00.52.08 #       <TheMcPoon> There's volume/bass/tremble/balance/channels/stereo width/crossfeed/equalizer/hardware equalizer
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00.54.21 #       <O11> how does the battery bench plugin work?
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00.55.01 #       <Soap> look at the wiki
00.55.06 #       <mirak> O11: don't wait to have your iriver shutting down brutally that's very annoying
00.55.24 #       <Soap> it writes a datafile everytime the drive is spun up for other reasons as to the current battery level, and other stats.
00.56.00 #       <TheMcPoon> nevermind
00.56.02 #       <mirak> http://www.batteryupgrade.com/product_detail.php?productId=18292211 O11
00.56.05 #       <TheMcPoon> found it
00.56.11 #       <TheMcPoon> it was in the general->playback settings
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00.58.19 #       <Stas_> How can I adjust the vertical position of WPS screen elements?
00.58.45 #       <Stas_> A lot of the ones I downloaded have the text/progress bars in the wrong places..
00.58.55 #       <TheMcPoon> Yeah.. mine too
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01.00.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Many require patches
01.00.51 #       <Soap> that is most likely because you didn't install the fonts
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01.01.00 #       <Soap> or what Paul_The_Nerd said
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01.01.06 #       <Stas_> ah
01.02.01 #       <O11> mirak: there aren't any h300 batterys
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01.07.27 #       <Stas_> is there a way to switch rockbox builds while away from the computer?
01.09.47 #       <scorche> script with crontab?
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01.10.00 #       <preglow> ehh
01.10.07 #       <preglow> suddenly rockbox starts spinning the disk up, then down
01.10.10 #       <preglow> over and over again
01.10.58 #       <Stas_> scorche: What I mean is that there are several builds, with different patches enabled/disabled.. I was wondering if it's possible to take a few rockbox binaries along with me
01.11.09 #       <Stas_> and change between them
01.11.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Stas_: Why not make a single build with all the patches you want?
01.11.14 #       <scorche> what device do you have?
01.11.33 #       <Stas_> ipod
01.11.36 #       <TheMcPoon> anyone know any rockbox theme sites?
01.11.36 #       <scorche> there is something called ROLO, but it might not be usable yet with your device
01.11.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, it doesn't really work with iPods yet
01.11.59 #       <scorche> Stas_: ROLO is not currently working on ipods...you are goig to have to wait till it is fuxed for that
01.12.24 #       <Stas_> at
01.12.25 #       <Stas_> ah*
01.12.35 #       * scorche glares at his typos which immediately jump to correct expressions
01.12.36 #       <Stas_> it's just that I'm using senab builds
01.12.48 #       <Stas_> and it's not compatible with some themes..
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01.13.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Then make your own build. Or don't use those themes.
01.14.28 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: I've updated the IpodInstallation instructions for the v1.2 Nano.  Not sure if I can face changing all the other pages - maybe we should just delete those wiki pages and link people to the manual...
01.14.28 #       <Stas_> Ah, I was trying to steal the show by being able to switch themes AND builds
01.14.29 #       <Stas_> heh
01.14.59 #       <Landus> Uh. I'm trying to fix the audioscrobbler patch. The line numbers and text to change doesn't match up, and I don't understand the syntax that points to what lines the changes take place on completely.
01.15.18 #       <Landus> Anyone want to lend help?
01.16.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Yeah, by this point we really should be just trying to keep the installation instructions in the manual correct, and not having divided points. The wiki page probably could be trimmed down to just a list of files used in the installation, and brief descriptions of them.
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01.17.27 #       <Landus> Guess, I'll just explain the problem and hope I get help.
01.17.37 #       <Landus> @@ -634,6 +634,11 @@ static const struct bit_entry hd_bits[]
01.17.54 #       <Landus> The -634 stands for the line the change starts to happen on.
01.18.03 #       <Landus> But I don't get why the ,6 is following it.
01.18.14 #       <Landus> Same for the +634.
01.18.25 #       <Landus> What does the ,11 mean.
01.18.32 #       <preglow> linuxstb: so you figured out what was wrong?
01.19.51 #       <linuxstb> Yes, Apple added an rsrc image, exactly like the 5g's firmware partition.
01.20.34 #       <preglow> containing what?
01.20.43 #       <linuxstb> It's a FAT16 image and contains wav files with voice clips of famous athletes congratulating you on breaking your own personal bests at various distances... :)
01.20.49 #       <linuxstb> Plus some XML files.
01.20.59 #       <preglow> hahahahahahah
01.21.16 #       <linuxstb> How can you not love Apple?
01.21.45 #       <Soap> sweet, so now firmware v1.2 is no longer broken after installing rockbox.
01.21.47 #       <Febs> The hardware EQ thread is alive:  http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2373023&posted=1#post2373023
01.21.56 #       <preglow> ooooh
01.21.57 #       <coob> i have a nike+ipod kit
01.22.05 #       <Febs> Can someone look at my last post there and confirm that it is generally accurate?
01.22.06 #       <linuxstb> Soap: Yes, you just need to follow the 5g instructions when installing for a v1.2 Nano.
01.22.14 #       <coob> so far i have mostly wanted to punch lance armstrong's voice in the face :)
01.22.26 #       <linuxstb> You can probably change it if you're so inclined...
01.22.52 #       <vbsocverdude94> can anyone teach me how to watch mpeg-1 videos on a nano in rockbox?
01.23.42 #       <Soap> Febs - I just can't believe you would turn off crossfeed!
01.23.48 #       <linuxstb> vbsocverdude94: Have you read the wiki page?
01.23.50 #       <Soap> is /that/ accurate?
01.24.30 #       <Soap> :)
01.24.50 #       <Febs> :)
01.25.05 #       <Febs> My Total Bithead has crossfeed.
01.25.14 #       <preglow> Febs: looks good
01.26.06 #       <Febs> Thanks.  Then my never-ending quest to prevent the spread of disinformation about Rockbox is successful, at least for today.
01.26.40 #       * Paul_The_Nerd has never heard of "optimization" as meaning "making trade off"
01.27.17 #       <Febs> I think he confused "optimized" with "compromised."
01.28.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah, possibly
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01.32.39 #       <BigMac> anyone speak french?
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01.34.11 #       <vbsocverdude94> Linuxstb...yes I did, I tried putting in a folder then tried to open it in file browser and nothing was in the folder
01.34.18 #       <vbsocverdude94> anyone here play runescape?
01.34.39 #       <BigMac> ruh roh
01.34.46 #       <BigMac> not a good idea here man
01.34.53 #       <BigMac> this is for rockbox talk
01.35.12 #       <BigMac> join rockbox social if you just want to chat
01.37.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> vbsocverdude94: And the file had the .m2v extension, and you were in "All Files" or "Supported" file view modes?
01.38.05 #       <TheMcPoon> What's the rockbox ipod video theme site?
01.38.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There's the WPSGallery in the wiki, which is the main place.
01.38.38 #       <vbsocverdude94> PAul: No, it was a .mpg extension and how do i get in supported or all files?
01.38.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> vbsocverdude94: The wiki page tells you that it needs to be an m2v file.
01.39.10 #       <vbsocverdude94> oh, how do i convert it to m2v?
01.39.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The wiki page also tells you that
01.39.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I thought you told linuxstb you read it.
01.39.27 #       <vbsocverdude94> lol, sorry :(
01.39.32 #       <vbsocverdude94> i'm such an idiot
01.39.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> As for the "File View" modes, the manual tells you how to change those.
01.40.15 #       <vbsocverdude94> k, thanks for everything
01.41.59 #       <vbsocverdude94> is the section about VLC encoding how to convert?
01.42.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes
01.43.50 #       <TheMcPoon> How come on so many themes the text is screwed up for me?
01.44.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They probably require patches.
01.44.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or, if you don't have the fonts pack, then fonts you do not have
01.44.18 #       <vbsocverdude94> So if I download the transcode.bat thing, I have to edit the thing to the nano's screen size?
01.44.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes.
01.44.30 #       <TheMcPoon> They're not already patched?
01.44.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They require that *Rockbox* has the patches
01.44.49 #       <vbsocverdude94> how do i change it?
01.45.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> vbsocverdude94: Open it up in any text editor, and change it.
01.47.59 #       <Stas_> I think there's a bug in tagcache..
01.48.06 #       <Stas_> when it runs into a file with no codec availabe
01.48.17 #       <Stas_> it just stops working
01.48.23 #       <Stas_> until I reset
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01.49.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Stas_: What files show up in tagcache but don't have codecs?
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01.54.07 #       <TheMcPoon> is senabs build any good?
01.54.17 #       <Soap> it is out of date
01.54.23 #       <Soap> he's busy in school
01.54.27 #       <TheMcPoon> So it's not good then?
01.54.38 #       <scorche> define "good"
01.54.43 #       <Soap> and that question can only really be answered once _you_ answer what you want from rockbox.
01.55.04 #       <TheMcPoon> well, all my themes don't work properly.. thats what's bugging me
01.55.25 #       <Soap> I have used it in the past to get audioscrobbler, albumart, scrolling acceleration, piezo, pause on headphone remove, and 64 meg buffer patches.
01.55.34 #       <Soap> What themes?
01.55.43 #       <TheMcPoon> a lot.. lol
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01.56.38 #       <Soap> That answer really frickin helps.
01.56.58 #       <TheMcPoon> Well, what can I say? I said 'all' my themes
01.57.36 #       <TheMcPoon> escapepod/black glass etc
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01.59.53 #       <Soap> not knowing which ones you have installed makes it hard to troubleshoot.
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02.00.15 #       <rasher> lostlogic: you there ?
02.00.17 #       <Soap> nano?
02.00.20 #       <TheMcPoon> video
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02.01.16 #       <Soap> the blackglass album art or non-album art version?
02.01.26 #       <TheMcPoon> non
02.01.39 #       <Soap> did you install the fonts?
02.01.51 #       <TheMcPoon> Well, I downloaded the theme, I thought all comes with it?
02.02.02 #       <TheMcPoon> Do I need to download something extra?
02.02.26 #       <Soap> no, not all do.  Installing the fonts was mentioned an hour ago when you first complained of screen-alignment issues in WPS.
02.02.40 #       <TheMcPoon> Where do I get the fonts then?
02.02.41 #       <Soap> from the download page, download the fonts .zip
02.02.49 #       <TheMcPoon> okay, lemme look
02.02.51 #       <Soap> and extract into the root of your player.
02.03.05 #       <scorche> TheMcPoon: from the "daily builds" page to be precise
02.06.54 #       <TheMcPoon> It worked, thank you very much. I didn't understand before about the fonts. I thought whatever was needed came with the theme.
02.07.03 #       <vbsocverdude94> Hey paul... there's a problem...
02.07.30 #       <vbsocverdude94> when I dragged the video to the VLC thing it opened a command prompt for like, .05 seconds then closed
02.08.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There was probably an error message.
02.08.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Try running the command manually from a command prompt, rather than using the .bat
02.08.36 #       <vbsocverdude94> ok
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02.11.59 #       <vbsocverdude94> What do I replace input with?
02.12.06 #       <vbsocverdude94> no!
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02.27.17 #       <Soap> dang
02.27.27 #       <Soap> 22h 15 mins on original apple firmware lame -aps
02.28.13 #       <vbsoccerdude94> dang
02.28.19 #       <vbsoccerdude94> how'd you find that out?
02.29.59 #       <linuxstb> Soap: So Rockbox achieves about 50% of the Apple firmware?
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02.30.49 #       <webguest0666> nice changes to solitaire amiconn, thanks
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02.46.02 #       <Stas_> I have a question..
02.46.11 #       <Stas_> What if I update my ipod with itunes, while rockbox is installed
02.46.13 #       <JdGordon> 42
02.46.16 #       <Stas_> will there be any side effects?
02.46.20 #       <Stas_> omg
02.46.23 #       <Stas_> 42 side effects?
02.46.38 #       * JdGordon got the 42 in late
02.46.51 #       <JdGordon> dunno about itunes tho
02.46.55 #       <preglow> JdGordon: oy, in the eq screen, the center frequency is no longer accelerated when play is being pressed
02.47.02 #       <Stas_> or, ipodupdater
02.47.23 #       <JdGordon> preglow: it used to do what?
02.47.25 #       <preglow> JdGordon: yes
02.47.34 #       <preglow> that
02.47.34 #       <JdGordon> yes?
02.47.39 #       <JdGordon> that!
02.47.41 #       <Stas_> How does battery charging work on the ipod?
02.47.45 #       <preglow> when you pressed play while using the arrow keys, the value would change faster
02.47.57 #       <Stas_> I know that normally, it gets powercharged to around 80%
02.47.57 #       <JdGordon> AH... ok
02.47.59 #       <preglow> this is on h1x0, that is
02.48.04 #       <Stas_> and then slowly brought up to 100%
02.48.07 #       <preglow> don't know how it worked on other platforms
02.48.22 #       <Stas_> Is the algorithm for doing this in the hardware
02.48.30 #       <Stas_> or does rockbox control it?
02.48.46 #       <preglow> Stas_: hardware
02.48.53 #       <Stas_> ok :
02.48.55 #       <Stas_> )
02.49.11 #       <Stas_> I had some concern, because rockbox clearly has no sense whatsoever of what the battery charge is at ;p
02.49.31 #       <Stas_> (even less so than the original firmware)
02.55.09 #       <preglow> bed
02.58.41 #       <Stas_> night
02.59.34 #       <Soap> linuxstb - yeah
02.59.45 #       <Soap> I had no idea I'd get so much from Apple's FW.
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03.07.41 #       <vbsoccerdude94> Yay! I got videos to work!
03.07.48 #       <vbsoccerdude94> Good night everyone!
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03.49.03 #       <jhMikeS> 42 hahah...
03.49.47 #       <Stas_> hi
03.49.58 #       <jhMikeS> hello
03.50.13 #       <Stas_> How goes it?
03.50.41 #       <jhMikeS> pretty good...sleepy...almost bedtime
03.50.55 #       <Stas_> ah yes
03.51.07 #       <Stas_> not so much in these parts though
03.51.44 #       <jhMikeS> what parts? GMT -400 here
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03.52.20 #       <Stas_> -5, EST
03.53.46 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: What that a reference to...the answer was indeed 42 right? :)
03.54.03 #       <JdGordon> yes...
03.55.35 #       <jhMikeS> should cover all those "I can't install rockbox" discussions...42,42,42,42
03.56.25 #       <JdGordon> ... iuf only :p
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04.02.57 #       <jhMikeS> Where are those little recording number bitmaps stashed?
04.03.04 #       <Stas_> 42.
04.07.32 #       <Stas_> :)
04.08.00 #       <jhMikeS> >:]
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04.23.10 #       <doomed_> does the video ipod play video yet w/ rockbox
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04.26.39 #       <BHSPitMonkey> doomed_, no
04.27.06 #       <doomed_> k, i was reading an H10 thread that said H10 does, so just wondering
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04.28.36 #       <BHSPitMonkey> you can play soundless videos
04.28.48 #       <BHSPitMonkey> and they don't even use the iPod's video decoding chip
04.28.57 #       <BHSPitMonkey> so it doesn't really count like you'd want it to
04.29.20 #       <Doomed> yeah
04.29.28 #       <Doomed> at least its getting somewhere
04.30.09 #       <Doomed> gotta give thanx to barry when hes on
04.33.30 #       <BHSPitMonkey> so
04.33.37 #       <BHSPitMonkey> it anybody working on ZumaBox? :P
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04.36.35 #       <Stas_> what's zumabox?
04.40.06 #       <BigMac> forums up yet?
04.40.15 #       <hardeep> working for me
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05.00.30 #       <Adam> hey guys
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05.01.26 #       <BHSPitMonkey> hey Rob2222
05.01.37 #       <Adam> got a few questions
05.02.42 #       <Adam> right now i've got rockbox on my video and all my songs are sorted thru folders not by id3 tags, anyways i want to put apple back on my iPod for battery life reasons and i was wondering how i could have apple and rockbox both without duplicating all my songs
05.02.57 #       <Adam> but right now i have no apple on it at all
05.03.38 #       <aliask> The only way you can do this is to put the songs on the iPod using iTunes or whatever so it builds the database, and then use the rockbox Tagcache to browse songs.
05.04.06 #       <Adam> isn't there a program to rebuild the iPod database
05.04.29 #       <aliask> Yes, but I think the files need to be in the ipod_control directory
05.04.35 #       <aliask> And named in a certain way etc.
05.04.48 #       <aliask> Perhaps this has changed, I don't really know.
05.04.57 #       <Adam> mmm
05.05.00 #       <Adam> i need paul the nerd
05.05.36 #       <Adam> whatever ill just try foobar and see what happens!
05.05.43 #       <BHSPitMonkey> foobar is good.
05.05.45 #       <aliask> That's always a good plan.
05.06.09 #       <BHSPitMonkey> afaik, that'll work, UNTIL you plug it into iTunes
05.06.17 #       <BHSPitMonkey> at which point it tries to foil your plan
05.06.29 #       <Adam> not if u turn auto update off
05.06.38 #       <aliask> Ah, good ol' iTunes.
05.06.39 #       <BHSPitMonkey> that's just what I've read
05.06.40 #       <Adam> if u have on manually manage songs it wont fuck it over lol
05.06.55 #       <Adam> yeah i lost 2000 non backed up songs that way
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05.11.26 #       <Adam> does any1 know how to rebuild iPod database using foobar2000
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05.17.16 #       <aliask> Hint: you need a plugin.
05.17.25 #       <Adam> yer
05.17.31 #       <Adam> just remebered that lol
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05.31.39 #       <Doomed> has anybody tried rockbox on the 5.5 gen ipod (latest ipod released last week)
05.33.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not yet, I believe
05.34.07 #       <Doomed> k
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05.49.36 #       <BHSPitMonkey> Doomed, as far as I know, there's a good chance it won't run
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05.49.58 #       <BHSPitMonkey> does anyone here have a 60GB 5th gen ipod?
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05.56.27 #       <Doomed> why do u say that
05.56.44 #       <Doomed> the onlything seemingly differnet is the lcd and hd
05.58.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And if the LCD has a different interface, it won't work.
06.07.20 #       <midkay> what's different about the LCD?
06.07.27 #       <midkay> it's just brighter afaik?
06.08.17 #       <scorche> well, that is all we know so far...
06.08.28 #       <Doomed> lata
06.08.40 #       <Doomed> we need somebody to get one first
06.08.43 #       * midkay wonders why scorche has to pop up every single time he says something...
06.08.54 #       <scorche> i just barely got homw
06.08.55 #       <scorche> e
06.09.10 #       <scorche> as in i came downstairs, turned on my computer
06.09.12 #       <scorche> and types
06.09.18 #       <scorche> d
06.09.25 #       <midkay> Doomed: well then i could just say "well, the click wheel is seemingly different".. there's no research behind it, but "let's wait until someone has one" before we decide that i'm wrong.
06.10.01 #       <Doomed> no
06.10.04 #       <Doomed> i no what ur saying
06.10.12 #       <Doomed> thats why i asked the question to begin with
06.10.39 #       <Doomed> but we wont no what the difference actually is until a dev gets one
06.11.04 #       <scorche> Doomed: please...no = know, ur = your
06.11.12 #       <Doomed> idc
06.11.19 #       <Doomed> im out anyway
06.11.27 #       <Doomed> i dont type proper english so shoot me
06.11.50 #       <Febs> Learn
06.11.59 #       <Doomed> why
06.12.39 #       <scorche> Febs: i dont think that mcdonalds requires people to write proper english, so he is fine
06.12.47 #       <midkay> bcus it cn b hard 2 undrsnd u sumtms
06.12.51 #       * scorche coughs suggestively
06.12.59 #       <Doomed> wow
06.13.14 #       <Doomed> u cant distinguish between no and know and ur and your
06.13.28 #       <midkay> i can, many can't, and it's just no fun to look at..
06.13.44 #       <Doomed> alright w/e i still dont care
06.13.52 #       <midkay> neither do we, so.. weren't you leaving?
06.13.57 #       <scorche> Doomed: there are people who use machine translation on logs....we like to make things so that they can remotely understand
06.13.57 #       <Doomed> ya
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06.14.20 #       <midkay> scorche: not that he has anything worth understanding.
06.14.24 #       <scorche> true
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06.35.52 #       <JdGordon> hey all
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06.38.14 #       * aliask waves
06.38.42 #       <JdGordon> sup?
06.38.53 #       <aliask> basically nothing
06.38.58 #       <JdGordon> :)
06.39.30 #       <aliask> you?
06.40.37 #       <JdGordon> just got back form uni... 3 assignemtns due in 3 weeks, but not doing any today :)
06.41.00 #       <aliask> woo sounds like fun
06.43.15 #       <JdGordon> im hopefully going to get dynamic menus working this arvo.. hopefully...
06.46.33 #       <hardeep> JdGordon: I finally got a chance to check out your button/action changes.  Awesome work!
06.46.43 #       <JdGordon> :) thanks
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06.49.01 #       <JdGordon> hey vik, hows the alarm plugin going?
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06.49.21 #       <aliask> I'm probably not going to be able to help much today, I've got some Japanese essays due on thursday (yes, in the holidays).
06.49.37 #       <JdGordon> :) good luck with them
06.49.39 #       <vik> just started working on it again now; trying to decipher the rockbox API
06.50.03 #       <JdGordon> :) if u need help give us a yell...
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06.54.10 #       <vik> thnx
06.56.13 #       <JdGordon> could anyone write a script to compare two files, the first being S_O(blaa) and the second being GS(blaa) and spit out which S_O(blaa's) are missing in the 2nd file?
06.56.27 #       * JdGordon 's scripting level sux :p
06.58.48 #       <JdGordon> woops.. thats wrong...
06.59.02 #       <JdGordon> dont worry, ill try again later :p
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07.09.03 #       <vik> JdGordon: can you use diff?
07.09.34 #       <JdGordon> not for this.. the whole file is differnt
07.10.05 #       <vik> don't quite understand what you're trying to do
07.10.42 #       <JdGordon> ye, i explained it badly.. ill ry again later, after lunch
07.11.16 #       <vik> Are there any APIs for making menu type things, or do I need to build from scratch?
07.11.40 #       <JdGordon> there is an api
07.12.05 #       <JdGordon> all the menu_* functions in the api
07.12.21 #       <JdGordon> viewer.c has some examples for you at the bottom of the file
07.12.24 #       * JdGordon brb
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07.18.11 #       <vik> JdGordon: the main problem with using a menu is that I want to show the current time as well. I'm assuming this can't happen within the menu itself... Any thoughts?
07.19.20 #       <JdGordon> you could have your own menu using the list widget (in the api)
07.19.30 #       <JdGordon> s/have/hack
07.20.18 #       <JdGordon> do u really need to show the current time in the menu?
07.21.03 #       <vik> good point - I was thinking of the menu being the main screen. But would be easier to have main screen showing status, time, and a menu where settings can be changed
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07.28.56 #       <vik> what's the difference between menu_show and menu_run ?
07.29.39 #       <vik> menu_run actually runs the functions?
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07.31.18 #       <JdGordon> i tinhk it depends on how you want to use the menu
07.32.10 #       <JdGordon> use menu_show if you just want to get the item number, menu_run will call the callback.. or something like that
07.32.25 #       <vik> yeah
07.32.30 #       <JdGordon> remember to call rb->menu_exit() or you could cause crashes later on
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07.36.49 #       <JdGordon> does anyone know how big the maximum rombox.ucl file can be?
07.37.56 #       <daurnimator> hey all
07.38.12 #       <daurnimator> do we know if rockbox works on new(er) ipods?
07.38.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It will not work on the Nano 2G.
07.41.09 #       <Jahooty> has anyone tried rockbox on the archos 104?
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07.43.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "Trying Rockbox" on something is very unlikely to ever work.
07.43.05 #       <daurnimator> 5.5g?
07.43.18 #       <Jahooty> ahh
07.43.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> daurnimator: I don't know of anyone's identified whether there are important hardware differences, yes.
07.44.07 #       <daurnimator> so
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07.44.11 #       <daurnimator> everything works?
07.44.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What part of what I said translates to "it works"
07.44.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I suppose the "yes" that was a typo of "yet" could be read as that, if you take it completely alone.
07.45.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But I think the rest of the statement, in which I said we don't know if there are significant hardware differences pretty much says it doesn't work, because if it *did* work that would mean all hardware differences are "insignificant" or "don't matter" in the context of whether or not it works.
07.46.14 #       <daurnimator> well, the way you said it, sounded like there *may* be differences, but rockbox worked anyway
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07.48.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Significant differences in this context would clearly be "ones that prevent it from working" so if we don't know if there are any, it basically is the same as saying "I don't know if anyone's tested it"
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07.49.49 #       <daurnimator> ok
07.50.00 #       <daurnimator> cause, for an unknown reason
07.50.04 #       <daurnimator> i have an urge to buy an ipod
07.50.07 #       <daurnimator>  - i wish i didn't
07.50.26 #       <daurnimator> but, if rockbox works (and i have money), i will probably get a 5.5G
07.51.50 #       <JdGordon> so buy one... open it up and we will know for sure
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08.10.44 #       <JdGordon> why does the radio hardware need to be explicitlly checked for? isnt it safe to assume that it will be there?
08.11.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hm?
08.11.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Are you referring to the option in the debug menu?
08.11.58 #       <JdGordon> and around the code
08.12.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> On the Archos
08.12.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Some of the "Recorder V2" were actually FM Recorders with a different lable
08.12.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> label
08.12.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Which meant that you could have FM hardware and not know it.
08.12.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Maybe it has something to do with that?
08.13.01 #       <JdGordon> i tihnk its a bit silly having the extra code then for that one case..
08.13.18 #       <aliask> I'm sure the people who it affects find it quite nice.
08.14.33 #       <daurnimator> JdGordon: cause i don't want one if rockbox doesn't run?
08.15.00 #       <aliask> daurnimator: You could be the first to run it!
08.15.02 #       <JdGordon> aliask: yes, but a special extra build could be done for them...
08.15.09 #       <JdGordon> daurnimator: someone has to be the first :D
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08.15.48 #       <daurnimator> well
08.15.53 #       <daurnimator> i'll wait for someone else
08.15.55 #       <daurnimator> ;)
08.16.27 #       * daurnimator points out to apple that if they allowed rockbox officially they'd have at least one extra customer
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08.17.31 #       <vik> where are buttons defined?
08.17.42 #       <daurnimator> buttons-xxxxx.h
08.17.44 #       <JdGordon> button.h
08.18.25 #       <vik> which dir/
08.18.31 #       <vik> s#/#?#
08.18.44 #       <daurnimator> firmware/target/arch/device
08.18.49 #       <JdGordon> firmware/export
08.18.56 #       <JdGordon> ^ is the more generic one
08.19.04 #       <JdGordon> but daurnimatoris also correct
08.19.15 #       <JdGordon> but almost none of the current targets have moved yet i tinhk
08.20.05 #       <daurnimator> i find this funny i know this stuff
08.20.11 #       <vik> what would a generic menu button be?
08.20.11 #       <daurnimator> i've never used rockbox before
08.20.49 #       <JdGordon> BUTTON_MODE / _MENU
08.20.57 #       <JdGordon> thats iriver hxxx and ipod
08.21.07 #       <JdGordon> dunno about the others
08.21.51 #       <vik> isn't there any abstraction of this?
08.21.58 #       <JdGordon> not for plugins yet
08.22.19 #       <JdGordon> well there is... but its not setup for plugins properly yet
08.23.08 #       <JdGordon> vik, you can use the get_aciton() call in the api, and check for ACTION_STD_MENU
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08.23.48 #       <Coldtoast> howdy all
08.23.57 #       <JdGordon> rb->get_action(CONTEXT_STD,TIMEOUT_BLOCK);
08.24.01 #       <JdGordon> something like that
08.24.20 #       <Coldtoast> just compiled the nano build and I notice fade-on-pause seems to be a bit odd
08.24.22 #       <vik> currently in a loop using rb->button_get_w_tmo; would rb_get_action be better?
08.24.37 #       <JdGordon> depends what else you need your buttons to do
08.24.51 #       <JdGordon> Coldtoast: how odd?
08.25.08 #       <Coldtoast> when I pause/unpause, it seems to fade a bit slight pause then complete the fade
08.25.21 #       <Coldtoast> liek it's doing it in 2 phases
08.25.37 #       <vik> JdGordon: how do they differ?
08.25.50 #       <Coldtoast> the only patches I use are bmp_resize and album_art so I'm not touching anythign else
08.26.22 #       <JdGordon> vik: the aciton stuff is a complete replacement... so if you cant check for BUTTON_LEFT and ACTION_STD_MENU (for exmaple)
08.26.38 #       <JdGordon> Coldtoast: has this just started happening?
08.26.49 #       <JdGordon> i know there was some work in the playback code which may have affected this
08.27.18 #       <Coldtoast> JdGordon: : in the past few days actually
08.27.27 #       <Coldtoast> maybe for the past 4 days?
08.27.36 #       <JdGordon> ok, file a bug report on FS
08.27.36 #       <Coldtoast> just got a chance to get online tho
08.27.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Try it without the patches before filing the report.
08.29.01 #       <Coldtoast> doing that now
08.29.04 #       <JdGordon> Coldtoast: actually.. if your patient, before filing the report.. could you try it progressivly rolling back each change to playback.c in the last few days untill it goes back to normal? that will make fixing it much easier
08.29.25 #       <Coldtoast> ok
08.30.53 #       <JdGordon> although.. just looking at the changes to that file.. that might be difficult.... the schedualr commit will make it pretty painful
08.32.42 #       <Coldtoast> ok. it's definitely not the patches
08.33.13 #       <Coldtoast> it fades to very quiet then sits there for possibly about 1 sec then completes the fade
08.33.56 #       <Coldtoast> crossfading works prefectly fine, it's just fade on pause/stop
08.34.30 #       <JdGordon> it was one of the last 3 changes to playback.c
08.34.54 #       <JdGordon> http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/playback.c
08.35.08 #       <JdGordon> the first 2 should be safe to roll back... the 3rd wont be tho
08.35.20 #       <JdGordon> if you can try them it will make it easier to find the bug
08.35.39 #       <Coldtoast> ok
08.35.53 #       <Coldtoast> I'll do it now
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08.43.06 #       <Coldtoast> JdGordon: : 1.352 breaks the compile actually
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09.11.39 #       <vik> why don't pcm functions work in simulation?
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09.14.35 #       <Bagder> bugs?
09.19.12 #       <JdGordon> Bagder: my settings rework completly breaks the .cfg file format.. is that ok? or do i absolutly have to make a convertor tool to fix them?
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09.20.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, it'll clear the config block too, right? If so, I dub it "bad" :-P
09.20.52 #       <JdGordon> does that mean you just volanteered to do it? :D
09.21.11 #       <scorche> he didnt say it was easy ;)
09.21.47 #       <JdGordon> yes.. but... oh :'(
09.22.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> A lot of people will be irritated if you clear their settings and then tell them they can't load their backed up settings.
09.23.02 #       <JdGordon> i know... and i agree, but to make a convertor isnt so easy, it will actually be a massive PITA
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09.24.52 #       <JdGordon> anyway, the good news is, rombox builds again with the patch :) fmrecorder .elf is 8.4kb smaller than cvs
09.26.25 #       <petur> so it will also break all existing themes out there?
09.26.58 #       <Bagder> why does it break them?
09.27.15 #       <petur> if the cfg can't be loaded?
09.27.26 #       * petur re-reads the log
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09.27.37 #       <Bagder> yes, but why is the new format not compatible
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09.27.45 #       <JdGordon> because settings use the english version of the lang string instead of the text from the block lists like now
09.28.11 #       <Bagder> only that?
09.28.25 #       <Bagder> then a converter would be dead easy, wouldn't it?
09.28.38 #       <JdGordon> yes, and easy, but long and boring
09.28.57 #       <hcs> yay, just got an ADX decoder running in rockbox
09.29.04 #       * petur slaps JdGordon with a large config file
09.29.12 #       <petur> :p
09.29.17 #       * JdGordon slaps petur with an even bigger one
09.29.26 #       <Bagder> JdGordon: not for the thousands of users who'll use it ;-)
09.29.27 #       * petur ducks just in time
09.29.46 #       <hcs> step2 is to add looping, the major draw of ADX in the first place
09.29.53 #       <webguest26> has anyone had trouble with the "show path" feature in the last few CVS builds for the H120?
09.30.20 #       <hcs> is there a guide to adding a codec into rockbox anywhere? if not I wrote one up for my own use and I could stick it in the wiki
09.31.13 #       * amiconn still things that using the lang strings for the settings isn't a good idea
09.31.23 #       <amiconn> *thinks even
09.31.25 #       <JdGordon> Bagder: what i could do is change the config extension to .conf and make a rock as a viewer for .cfg which can write out the new .conf file.. that could possibly be done fairly easily
09.31.28 #       <Bagder> hcs: I don't think there is one, it'd be great to have one!
09.31.37 #       * Bagder agrees with amiconn that it feels shaky
09.31.56 #       <petur> (/)me too
09.32.18 #       <JdGordon> why?
09.32.32 #       <Bagder> because changing the language is not considered lethal
09.32.40 #       <Bagder> which it will be now when it breaks configs
09.32.47 #       <JdGordon> and how often is the english changed?
09.32.54 #       <Bagder> it doesn't matter to me
09.33.10 #       <petur> a dependancy that should not be
09.33.29 #       <Bagder> and I don't see any gain in having it
09.33.56 #       <JdGordon> farily big size gain in not storing a text sting with every setting
09.34.38 #       <JdGordon> faster saving code also, because it doesnt have to tokenise the setting values string
09.34.43 #       <Bagder> so that is the 8K?
09.34.57 #       <hcs> Bagder: ok, should I send it to someone or can I get write access, I have registered AdamGashlin on twiki
09.35.11 #       <Bagder> JdGordon: you could have the strings in whatever format you wanted, it wouldn't have to affect speed at all
09.35.18 #       <JdGordon> no, the 8K is removing  config blocks, redoing the menus, and settings
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09.35.43 #       <O112358> I'm having a problem with rockbox
09.35.54 #       <O112358> the plugins don't show up in the plugins menu
09.35.59 #       <O112358> it says "no files"
09.36.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Are you running an official build?
09.36.22 #       <JdGordon> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/UIpXXe44.html <- a small part of the new config file
09.36.29 #       <webguest26> i guess that would be a no?  I don't want to clutter up the bug tracker if someone has already found the bug...but i searched flyspray and got nothinhg
09.36.29 #       <Bagder> hcs: I think you have write permission now in the wiki
09.36.48 #       <O112358> when I first installed rockbox it worked but since I restarted my player/reset my iriver firmware to original settings they don't show up anymore
09.37.03 #       <webguest26> have you tried a fresh install of rockbox?
09.37.07 #       <O112358> yes.. i'm running the official daily build for h300
09.37.15 #       <O112358> that's what I did last night
09.37.17 #       <webguest26> i'm using the latest CVS build and it's fine, but i'm on H120
09.37.17 #       <Bagder> JdGordon: sorry, but I'm pretty much against the use of these strings
09.37.20 #       <Bagder> and I've always been
09.37.30 #       <Bagder> we've done this debate many times in the past too
09.37.36 #       <Bagder> or at least similar
09.37.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> O112358: Have you tried resetting the settings, and have you verified that the plugin files are still there?
09.37.40 #       <O112358> deleted the rockbox folder and the hidden file and copied the new ones in.. it fixed it.. but now they don't appear again..
09.38.08 #       <JdGordon> Bagder: ok, ill try convincing you when its more finished
09.38.12 #       <O112358> yes.. the plugin files are there and I can run them from inside the rockbox folder directly..
09.38.29 #       <O112358> i'll try resetting the settings.. i'll tell you if it works..
09.38.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> JdGordon: What benefit does it offer?
09.38.43 #       <hcs> Bagder: yes, you appear to be right
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09.38.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Like, that outweighs the drawbacks that were mentioned.
09.39.06 #       <Bagder> hey dr Feltzing, how's your back?
09.39.14 #       <LinusN> horrible
09.39.19 #       <JdGordon> Paul_The_Nerd: simpler code (imo), smaller binary size, possibly faster saving code (which is important because this will be done fairly often)
09.39.48 #       <rasher> any news on a new h300 bootloader
09.39.53 #       <Bagder> JdGordon: why is it simpler and faster?
09.39.56 #       <linuxstb> JdGordon: Have you checked that all the language strings are unique?
09.40.05 #       <rasher> hope your feeling better soon LinusN
09.40.14 #       <Bagder> you could index the strings in the very same way even if they aren't from the language system
09.40.25 #       <JdGordon> Bagder: because it doesnt have to search for the comma in the settings string
09.40.32 #       <JdGordon> linuxstb: no, not up to that yet :p
09.40.41 #       <vik> I just built a sim, but it didn't make the .rockbox directory
09.40.53 #       <JdGordon> vik do make install
09.41.00 #       <Bagder> comma in the settings string? I guess I'm not too into the gory details
09.41.08 #       * vik slaps forhead
09.41.16 #       <vik> s/for/fore
09.41.47 #       <Bagder> vik: and populate the "archos" subdirs with music for your sim
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09.41.48 #       <O112358> It didn't fix it
09.41.53 #       <Bagder> subdir
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09.42.47 #       <O112358> the files are definitely in the rocks folder.. but "browse plugins" displays "no files"
09.43.04 #       <vik> ls
09.43.11 #       <vik> crap wrong window
09.43.25 #       <LinusN> regarding the usage of language strings in the config files, i'm with Bagder
09.43.27 #       <O112358> why is this happening?
09.43.43 #       <JdGordon> Bagder: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/a3Q2I242.html is the difference
09.44.00 #       <Bagder> JdGordon: you don't have to do it like that
09.44.21 #       <Bagder> the file format does in no way impose that
09.44.55 #       <Bagder> so that new approach of your could still be used
09.45.03 #       <Bagder> just that the strings wouldn't be fetched from the language system
09.45.26 #       <O112358> Has nobody else had my problem?
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09.45.30 #       <O112358> I'm really confused
09.46.10 #       <JdGordon> ok, but to add the setting name and values like they are now is an extra 8 bytes (2 char* 's) and then the 2 strings... multiply that by the number of settings (170ish for h300) and it stacks up
09.46.12 #       <JdGordon> brb fone
09.46.20 #       <JdGordon> nope, too slow
09.46.44 #       <JdGordon> if your all really dead set against it then ill drop the subject
09.46.57 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: The comma search has nothing to do with what strings you use. It would be possible to get rid of the comma search with dedicated settings strings as well.
09.47.13 #       <amiconn> However, the comma search was there to save space, esp. on SH1
09.47.37 #       <JdGordon> and adding the setting strings would use up space which isnt really needed
09.47.38 #       <hcs> ok, my little codec guide is up
09.47.57 #       <JdGordon> the space iss needed.. the string isnt
09.47.58 #       <Bagder> JdGordon: according to you, not according to me
09.48.04 #       <vik> my plugin needs to call a function from screens.c - how can I link to it?
09.48.26 #       <Bagder> vik: you need to add it to the plugin struct/API in plugin.[ch]
09.49.03 #       <rasher> anyone speek german?
09.49.36 #       * amiconn still searches for the sh-elf-gcc switch to stop aligning string literals by longwords
09.49.53 #       <rasher> http://www.rockbox-lounge.com/ <<<<<<<< Has that been oproved?
09.50.07 #       <Bagder> oproved?
09.50.09 #       <O112358> So can nobody help me with my problem?
09.50.17 #       <rasher> ye
09.50.21 #       <scorche> approved?
09.50.23 #       <amiconn> I want the string literals in rodata.str1.1 instead of rodata.str1.4
09.50.31 #       <vik> Badger: both c and h?
09.50.39 #       <rasher> its a mix between my spelling and typos
09.50.40 #       <rasher> approved
09.50.54 #       <Bagder> vik: yes, make sure the function exists in the struct (.h) and is assigned (.c)
09.51.02 #       <rasher> http://www.engadget.com/ <<<<<whats yous think
09.51.03 #       <linuxstb> O112358: The rocks are in [build-dir]/archos/.rockbox/rocks/  and rockboxui is in [build-dir] ?
09.51.06 #       <Bagder> rasher: what do you mean with "approved" ?
09.51.10 #       <rasher> yes
09.52.17 #       <petur> rasher: he just wrote that he sent a letter back, but won't post what's in it - you can PM him for details
09.52.44 #       <O112358> argh.. please help ='(
09.52.57 #       <rasher> whats wrong
09.53.18 #       <O112358> the files are definitely in the rocks folder.. but "browse plugins" displays "no files"
09.53.28 #       <petur> rasher: oh, you don't know the full story?
09.53.36 #       * Paul_The_Nerd doesn't either
09.54.10 #       <petur> rasher: he received a letter that he's infringing on the name Rock Box and Rock-Box
09.54.34 #       <scorche> ah...that story
09.54.34 #       <rasher> oh
09.54.36 #       <Bagder> those are two registered German trademarks
09.55.09 #       <scorche> i didnt hear the end of that either
09.55.48 #       <Bagder> I doubt it has ended yet
09.56.04 #       <O112358> linuxstb: well.. i'm running on a h300 so the files are in .rockbox/rock/
09.56.04 #       <scorche> well, all i heard is the beginning anyway
09.56.37 #       <rasher> ill help you O112358 if i can find my h340
09.56.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You mean /.rockbox/rocks/ I hope.
09.56.58 #       <O112358> haha.. yeah
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09.57.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And your settings are at default still?
09.57.24 #       <O112358> i just reset them.. didn't help
09.58.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I was just making sure you didn't change anything after resetting them
09.58.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> How'd you reset?
09.58.30 #       <O112358> erm.. wherever it says reset to default settings or something..
09.59.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Have you shut down and restarted since clearing the settings then?
09.59.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or better yet, clear while booting?
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09.59.47 #       <O112358> i'll try that.. how do you do that again?
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10.00.19 #       <petur> hold rec while starting
10.00.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Once the bootloader shows up on the screen hold down Record, if I recall
10.00.23 #       <O112358> thanks
10.00.31 #       <O112358> brb
10.02.08 #       <O112358> still says no files
10.02.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Did it say Settings Cleared when you booted?
10.02.31 #       <O112358> yes
10.02.35 #       <O112358> "cleared"
10.03.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And you say if you extract a daily it works briefly, then stops working?
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10.04.36 #       <O112358> yes.. that's what it seems like
10.04.51 #       <O112358> it could have been after restarting the player that it stops working..
10.05.09 #       <O112358> or it could be after resetting to default settings in the iriver firmware..
10.05.20 #       <O112358> or it could be after starting up in the iriver firmware..
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10.06.42 #       <O112358> it just seems really strange
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10.10.06 #       <O112358> any ideas?
10.12.29 #       <O112358> kick my player?
10.12.36 #       <JdGordon> could help...
10.12.40 #       <JdGordon> its helped me before
10.13.48 #       * O112358 decides not to try it
10.13.55 #       <petur> you already wiped /.rockbox and unzipped it again?
10.14.19 #       * petur kicks JdGordon and wonders if it will help
10.14.25 #       <O112358> i did that recently.. it then worked for a bit.. and then stopped working again..
10.14.38 #       <petur> chkdsk or scandisk?
10.15.01 #       <petur> or backup music and reformat?
10.15.16 #       <JdGordon> its called sarcasm petur...
10.16.12 #       <O112358> petur: I like that idea... i'd have to reinstall the original firmware though right/
10.16.13 #       <O112358> ?
10.17.18 #       <petur> no
10.17.40 #       <petur> format it from the pc?
10.17.58 #       <O112358> what?
10.18.15 #       <petur> or boot into original fw
10.18.37 #       <petur> why would you need to install the original fw? it's still there...
10.19.06 #       <O112358> but if i formatted the disk everything would be gone.. right?
10.19.14 #       <petur> yes
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10.19.24 #       <petur> it tends to do that ;)
10.19.40 #       <O112358> so wouldn't i have to reinstall the firmware
10.19.53 #       <markun> O112358: your flash will not be erased
10.19.57 #       <petur> just unzip rockbox and copy your music back
10.20.00 #       <markun> and the original firmware is in flash
10.20.22 #       <O112358> oh.. okay
10.20.34 #       <O112358> so just right click on the drive and press format?
10.20.52 #       <petur> got your music on pc too?
10.22.06 #       <O112358> yeah..
10.22.15 #       <O112358> i'll give that a try then..
10.22.38 #       <petur> just don't know if windows can format a big drive in fat32
10.23.10 #       <petur> you may need a tool for it, or use the original firmware and do it from the iriver itself
10.23.18 #       <O112358> can you?
10.23.21 #       <O112358> how do you do that?
10.23.39 #       <Bagder> windows only formats 32gb fat32 these days
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10.23.55 #       <Bagder> h2format and swissknife are often suggested tools
10.24.14 #       <dwihno> There's a really nice tool which, at least, used to have a free demo.. Paragon partition manager, I think the name is.
10.24.18 #       <aliask> Rockbox should get a formatting routine...
10.24.42 #       * dwihno disagrees
10.24.54 #       <petur> or boot original firmware, that can format too
10.25.33 #       <aliask> Well, rockbox is primarily for people who know what they're doing with things, so I don't think it'd be too dangerous.
10.25.49 #       <petur> but maybe doesn't do good errorchecking
10.26.23 #       <JdGordon> off topic.. anyone going to the dark tranquility concert tomorw night?
10.28.10 #       <aliask> Sounds like you are :)
10.28.30 #       <JdGordon> i r :D
10.29.08 #       <petur> I are ?
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10.30.45 #       <aliask> Ooh, they're from Gothenburg - I've been there!
10.35.01 #       <O112358> anyway.. it worked.. but i don't know if it will suddenly stop working again..
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10.35.34 #       <GingerDog> hi; does rockbox support the newly announced/upgraded nano?
10.35.45 #       <JdGordon> no
10.35.50 #       <aliask> *not yet
10.36.18 #       <GingerDog> has much changed?
10.36.43 #       <aliask> It uses a completely different CPU, at least - nobody has been able to get one to take a good look yet though.
10.36.57 #       <linuxstb> GingerDog: Yes - it's a completely different ipod to all the previous ones.  So it's basically a completely new Rockbox port to start from scratch.
10.37.12 #       <GingerDog> ah; i'll steer clear of it for now then
10.37.13 #       <GingerDog> thank you
10.37.47 #       <linuxstb> Or at least, that's what it looks like so far...
10.38.27 #       <linuxstb> aliask: I've got one...
10.38.39 #       <aliask> :O
10.38.43 #       <aliask> Since when?
10.38.54 #       <linuxstb> Yesterday afternoon.
10.39.07 #       <scorche> linuxstb: where are our high-res scans? =P
10.39.16 #       <aliask> What scorche said. :)
10.39.45 #       <linuxstb> It's too early to need them IMO.  We can't do anything until we decrypt the firmware, and I don't think physical disassembly will help with that process.
10.40.03 #       <aliask> Does it use a different bootloader system?
10.40.17 #       <scorche> it is more of a curiosity for me
10.40.23 #       * aliask too
10.40.30 #       <scorche> aliask: stay up on reading the thread!
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10.40.52 #       <linuxstb> It's almost the same.  The main difference is that the main firmware has been unencrypted for all previous ipods, in the 2nd gen Nano it looks (to me at least) to be encrypted.
10.41.24 #       <scorche> which you would have known if you read the posts =P
10.41.36 #       <aliask> Shush :P
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10.42.12 #       <Bagder> the fun of cracking encryptions... :-/
10.42.29 #       <scorche> linuxstb: but think of the publicity!...i have not seen a single other instance of high-res scans of the 2g yet anywhere!
10.42.30 #       <linuxstb> We don't even have an unencrypted bootloader to help us...
10.42.50 #       <linuxstb> scorche: I prefer to keep my shiny new ipod shiny and new.
10.42.59 #       <scorche> and it will be
10.43.08 #       <scorche> ....as soon as you put it back to gether and be careful
10.43.12 #       <linuxstb> You don't know my skills with a screwdriver...
10.43.31 #       <scorche> skills or deficiencies?
10.43.50 #       <linuxstb> I'll leave it there.
10.43.58 #       <scorche> heh
10.44.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> A 2G nano keeps tempting me.
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10.44.39 #       <linuxstb> I did see a link to a Japanese (I think) website with more photos of the Nano internals.  But I've lost the link...
10.44.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But I think I'm going to spend the money on a new monitor instead.
10.45.19 #       <scorche> linuxstb: watch.impress.co.jp ?
10.46.10 #       <linuxstb> Yes, that's the one.
10.46.40 #       <scorche> figures....it is a good site
10.47.21 #       <linuxstb> http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0915/apple.htm
10.50.48 #       <hcs> any idea why I'm getting 'invalid suffix "-0x10" on integer constant' when I write 0x1e-0x10?
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10.52.10 #       <theli_ua> i wonder is there any way to get button name (string) from something like BUTTON_PLAY ?
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10.52.53 #       <hcs> ah, apparently a gcc bug, fixed by putting spaces around the minus sign
10.55.14 #       <linuxstb> theli_ua: No
10.55.40 #       <theli_ua> that was what i thiugh :( .... unfortunately ... this feature would be usable
10.56.21 #       <linuxstb> You could add a function to do that to the plugin lib - it could be useful for all the plugins that allow the user to remap the keys (I think Rockboy and Doom do it).
10.57.06 #       <theli_ua> yes ... i just started to make zxbox's keymap menu to be more target-friendly ....
10.57.24 #       <theli_ua> but i wonder what can be the way to implement it ?
10.58.26 #       <linuxstb> We would probably want the strings themselves to be defined in somewhere like button.h in firmware/ - but we don't want to actually add any extra code or data to core Rockbox for features not used in core Rockbox.  Which is why I mentioned the plugin lib.
10.59.21 #       <theli_ua> so it could just be a big header with defines in plugins/lib ....
11.00.28 #       <linuxstb> Also, be aware that something like "BUTTON_SELECT" can have different names on different players - e.g. it's labelled "NAVI" for the H1x0 and H3x0 targets.  I'm not sure what we should call it on the ipods - I think Apple call it "Action".
11.01.14 #       <theli_ua> yes.. thats what i meant ... a lot target-specific defines ... not very good
11.01.36 #       <hcs> it is called "select" on iPod, see http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651
11.04.05 #       <linuxstb> They're not consistent though - it's called "the Center button" here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304322
11.04.26 #       <linuxstb> And I'm sure I've seen it refered to as "Action"...
11.04.28 #       <hcs> doh
11.05.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I like "select" for it though
11.05.17 #       <hcs> therefore the only fair way to name it is to make up something else
11.05.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "Invoke"!
11.05.30 #       * Paul_The_Nerd likes the word "invoke"
11.05.55 #       * hcs concurs
11.06.01 #       <linuxstb> "center button" is the least ambiguous, but then we need US and British English versions...
11.06.18 #       <hcs> "Make It So"
11.06.24 #       <linuxstb> iNvoke?
11.06.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes!
11.06.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
11.06.45 #       <hcs> you win
11.07.02 #       <scorche> but *what* does he win?
11.07.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And then after a month of that we could rename it to almost anything without complaints
11.07.15 #       * linuxstb goes to download his free copy of Rockbox
11.07.34 #       <hcs> pronounced einvoke?
11.08.34 #       <aliask> theli_ua: I tried out zxbox recently, but it froze while loading the rom
11.08.46 #       <theli_ua> aliask, can you post that rom?
11.08.57 #       <aliask> ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games/123/007-LicenceToKill.tzx.zip
11.09.11 #       <linuxstb> aliask: Are you sure it's a 48K ROM, not 128K?
11.09.23 #       <aliask> I tried both, neither worked.
11.09.27 #       <theli_ua> aliask, it's not rom
11.09.30 #       <theli_ua> it's a tape
11.09.45 #       <aliask> Someone's going to have to explain this to me...
11.10.30 #       <linuxstb> theli_ua is right - we shouldn't be using the word "ROM" with zxbox.
11.10.42 #       <aliask> Oh, so I got the right thing?
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11.10.55 #       <theli_ua> i know what is wrong
11.10.59 #       <theli_ua> wait a minute
11.11.22 #       <linuxstb> There are "snapshots" which are just a dump of the RAM and CPU registers from a running game.  Or there are images of the cassette tape the game was originally distributed on.
11.12.25 #       <theli_ua> i'ts just that it has a custom loader .... zxbox loads first block and when gets to turbo data of custom loader it stops playing tape.. you can press "play tape" and wait for it to load
11.12.50 #       <theli_ua> i know it is not very convenient .... but that is the only solution for such big games for now
11.13.23 #       <theli_ua> or another  solution is to load this tape to the end and dump snapshot :)
11.13.43 #       <aliask> But it freezes while loading - at 34-35%
11.13.52 #       <theli_ua> are you sure?
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11.14.04 #       <aliask> Well I left it for at least 10 minutes
11.14.10 #       <theli_ua> 34-34 % are just emulation speed
11.14.15 #       <aliask> Oh.
11.14.29 #       <aliask> No buttons worked either though...
11.14.30 #       <theli_ua> what is the target you get such low speed?
11.14.37 #       <aliask> H300
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11.15.01 #       <theli_ua> you sure you can't acces menu with mode button?
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11.16.39 #       <theli_ua> aliask, try this dump http://theli.ho.com.ua/007.z80
11.17.08 #       <theli_ua> aliask, this is just a dump when tape is fully loaded
11.21.25 #       <aliask> Hrm, I'm getting hard crashes when I load zxbox now, I'm going to have to grab a clean copy of rb, but after dinner.
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11.28.09 #       <theli_ua> aliask, i'm interested in reports about that crashes so i can look  into fixing them
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11.35.56 #       <theli_ua> hm ... pastebin is not working for me .. anyone can advice alternative?
11.38.26 #       <vik> Hmmm... added set_time_screen to plugin.[ch], but it still says 'undefined symbol'
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11.39.48 #       <theli_ua> vik, you try to use it in plugin?
11.40.34 #       <vik> yep
11.40.46 #       <theli_ua> how do you call it from plugin?
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11.40.58 #       <theli_ua> rb->set_time_screen ?
11.44.03 #       * vik slaps forehead. 
11.45.15 #       <vik> that'd be it.
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11.46.18 #       <blindcoder> moin
11.46.19 #       <theli_ua> how do i change fat32 volume label from linux?
11.46.24 #       <vik> apple are hiding what chips they've used on the new ipods: http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=&fArticleId=3439973
11.48.00 #       <scorche> ugh...this is sounding like it will be a "fun" port
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11.48.49 #       <linuxstb> theli_ua: "mtools" has an "mlabel" command.
11.48.52 #       <vik> theli_ua: mtools
11.49.09 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb,vik, thnx
11.49.10 #       <blindcoder> any chanop here? I have a request for a fellow tor user
11.50.05 #       <theli_ua> aliask, i just played licence to kill on my mini without much prob (well.... its not that playable on such screen but anyway :)
11.50.19 #       <vik> just segfaulted the simulation; is there the equivalent of a coredump?
11.51.17 #       <safetydan> vik, usually you have to turn core dumps on
11.51.21 #       <safetydan> ulimit or some such
11.51.35 #       <safetydan> try attaching gdb to the sim before you crash it
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11.52.01 #       <aliask> theli_ua: I used that save file thing, and it worked, but it's still only getting likt 40-60%
11.52.29 #       <theli_ua> aliask, try to increase frameskip in settings
11.52.51 #       <theli_ua> aliask, btw.... sound can cause crashes. you can disable it for now
11.53.09 #       <vik> does the simulation build with debug info?
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11.53.27 #       <aliask> With frameskip at 9 I get about 70%
11.53.27 #       <tucoz> Bagder: around?
11.54.07 #       <linuxstb> theli_ua: Have you used any IRAM in zxbox?
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11.54.17 #       <safetydan> vik, yes
11.54.24 #       <theli_ua> aliask, so that just means zxbox needs more optimization
11.54.29 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, yes
11.54.34 #       <tucoz> Bagder: I wonder if you have to use some software to transfer music to the sandisk sansa players, or if you can browse the directory tree like in rockbox
11.55.23 #       <tucoz> Like, is it possible to transfer music to the player in linux?
11.56.49 #       <thegeek> they can run in both modes
11.56.53 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: From reading Sansa's website, I'm guessing the answer is no - they don't mention drag-and-drop capability, and the system requirements list XP and WMP 10+
11.57.03 #       <thegeek> just read some reviews of it
11.57.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> tucoz: If you put the Sansa e200 into MSC mode, you can drag and drop, but it takes a LONG time for it to rebuild its database after.
11.57.33 #       * linuxstb shuts up
11.57.34 #       <tucoz> aha
11.57.48 #       <tucoz> so it _is_ possible, but painful :)
11.57.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And they're lying about it requiring WMP10
11.57.54 #       <linuxstb> So the "minimum system requirements" listed here are false? http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(1937)-SDMX4-2048-Sansa_e250_MP3_Player_2GB.aspx
11.58.13 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, vik, how do i use mlabel ? i just can understand how to specify drive for it :/
11.58.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Well, I'm pretty sure I didn't have WMP10 installed when I first got my sansa.
11.58.37 #       <linuxstb> I think you need to setup an /etc/mtools.conf file
11.58.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm not 100% sure any more
11.59.12 #       <linuxstb> theli_ua: Add a line like "drive e: file="/dev/sda1"
11.59.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But it has an option in its menus to go into "Mass Storage Class" mode, when then lets you drag 'n drop
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11.59.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So yes, the minimum requirements listed there are entirely false
11.59.42 #       <tucoz> hehe
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12.00.08 #       <tucoz> what a stupid thing to do. Demand higher requirements than what is true
12.00.29 #       <linuxstb> I guess it's a support thing.  They only want to support people using WMP10+
12.00.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah
12.00.44 #       <tucoz> yeah. you're probably right about that
12.00.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, they put the PlaysForSure logo on it
12.00.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And PlaysForSure content will of course only work under those conditions
12.00.58 #       <linuxstb> And people like us will find out the true requirements anyway.
12.02.22 #       * linuxstb wonders which device will get Rockbox first - the 2nd gen Nano or the Sansa 
12.02.59 #       * scorche bets on the sansa
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12.04.01 #       <tucoz> Wonder why  not more sansa hackers have joined in on the porting effort
12.05.39 #       <tucoz> see you later, and thanks for the help
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12.08.41 #       <vik> C question (can't find my copy of K&R): I have a struct within a struct: struct bar { int x; int y}; struct { int i; struct bar st;} foo; I want the address of st - is this &(foo.st) ?
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12.09.21 #       <Ed__> vik: &foo.st will suffice
12.09.54 #       <vik> Ed__: OK; but the parentheses don't make it wrong?
12.09.59 #       <Ed__> nope :)
12.10.39 #       <vik> hmmm... coz it's segfaulting on that line.
12.12.50 #       <vik> is it important for global variables to be static, or shouldn't it matter too much?
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12.14.03 #       <wow> hi !
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12.16.18 #       <smee> i kno more about computas than u all im da best hacker eva
12.16.34 #       <wow> i just want to ask how the port to the elio/tatrung 1022 advance ?
12.17.15 #       <wow> i just want to ask how the port to the elio/tatrung 1022 advances ? ;)
12.17.22 #       <vik> Does the static modifier for globals do anything at all? Aren't all globals static?
12.17.29 #       <scorche> wow: we heard you the first time
12.17.54 #       <wow> what ?
12.17.56 #       <linuxstb> wow: No progress recently.  The current hurdle is figuring out how the LCD works.
12.18.44 #       <wow> lcd drivers didn´t work ?
12.18.56 #       <wow> too bad :(
12.19.33 #       <linuxstb> vik: A static modifier for a global variable means it's only accessible within that .c file.
12.19.50 #       <linuxstb> Similarly for function definitions.
12.20.34 #       <vik> uhuh.
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12.23.24 #       <wow> linuxstb how many people are working on the port for the elio ?
12.25.27 #       <linuxstb> 1
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12.26.21 #       <scorche> haha...he didnt get far
12.26.28 #       <linuxstb> No, he's useless.
12.26.36 #       <wow> that are not many ;)
12.26.39 #       <scorche> well, we knew that
12.27.17 #       <theli_ua> anyone have an idea how this can be optimised? http://rafb.net/paste/results/rqtrLx34.html
12.27.43 #       <wow> thx for the infos ! :) CU
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12.29.36 #       <linuxstb> theli_ua: Basically remove as many calculations from inside the loops as you can.
12.31.21 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, i know this but i can't see one to remove
12.31.56 #       <theli_ua> btw ... if i use #define  Y_STEP  ((ZX_HEIGHT<<16) / LCD_HEIGHT) is it precalculated by preprocessor?
12.32.10 #       <linuxstb> Yes.
12.33.17 #       <linuxstb> Hopefully gcc would optimise it anyway, but I would write *(frameb++) = _16.....
12.34.18 #       <linuxstb> Do you have a link to how the spectrum's video RAM is organised?
12.39.34 #       <theli_ua> linuxstbn no
12.40.59 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, may be this will be usefull http://www.1000bit.net/support/manuali/zxspectrum/sm/section1.html#memorg
12.41.34 #       <safetydan> Which part of this instruction won't work on Coldfire? addq.w
12.41.40 #       <safetydan> the quick part or the word part?
12.43.25 #       <linuxstb> theli_ua: Is the "_16bpp_colors" array in IRAM?
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12.44.04 #       <theli_> linuxstb, yes
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12.45.05 #       <linuxstb> Also, what is "sp_image" ?  Is that just a pointer to the Spectrum's video RAM, or is a bitmap created (many times per second) from the video ram?
12.45.18 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, bitmap
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12.47.04 #       <linuxstb> theli_ua: Maybe it's worth investigating if you can get rid of sp_image, and just render into rb->lcd_framebuffer directly.
12.50.59 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, i'll try to look into this
12.51.18 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, this would definitly boost at least video
12.52.17 #       <linuxstb> I would guess that the video rendering is what is taking up the most CPU time.  You could test that by disabling the screen updates and seeing what FPS you get.
12.52.18 #       <theli_ua> i'm still not sure whether i use pcm_ functions properly ... anyone can help me with it? cause sound output is known to cause crashes
12.52.52 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, nice idea .... though i can have about 200% on mini without frameskip and screen output ;)
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12.53.23 #       <linuxstb> theli_ua: Also disable the function that creates sp_image.
12.54.01 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, yeah ... and disable speed sync of course :D
12.56.21 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, btw i think disabling border update (which is visible on video only) will help too
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13.10.25 #       <aliask> theli_ua: Does Toggle "fast" mode disable a frame limiter or something?
13.11.25 #       <theli_ua> aliask, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginZXBox#Toggle_fast_mode
13.12.13 #       <aliask> Well that gives me 650%, and if I turn it off I get 70%, I dunno if that helps.
13.12.24 #       <theli_ua> 650?????????
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13.12.55 #       <aliask> Yeah.
13.13.03 #       <theli_ua> that can't be true
13.13.18 #       <theli_ua> does speed you see looks like 6x normal?
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13.14.50 #       <theli_ua> aliask, btw 70% with what frameskip?
13.15.04 #       <aliask> Ok, when I play the game it drops to 300~%  and yes, it's going about that fast (although it's jerky due to the frameskip)
13.15.07 #       <aliask> 9
13.16.51 #       <amiconn> safetydan: the .w part won't work
13.17.09 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: The spectrum video ram layout isn't too difficult
13.17.26 #       <safetydan> cheers
13.17.29 #       * amiconn once had a real ZX Spectrum 48K and still has access to it
13.17.55 #       <amiconn> The only thing that needs fixing is the keyboard matrix
13.20.53 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: I did once write a function to render it (an emulator for the Nokia 9000 Comunicator I started to write but then abandoned), but I've forgotten the details long ago...
13.23.00 #       * amiconn still remembers the layout from back when using the real thing
13.23.05 #       <amiconn> 16+ years back
13.24.27 #       * linuxstb wonders if his zx81 would still boot...
13.24.53 #       * amiconn also remembers the ZX81
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13.25.19 #       <linuxstb> I'm still impressed with the person who implemented Chess in 512 bytes of RAM...
13.25.24 #       <amiconn> 1KB of RAM, shared between video output and code...
13.25.43 #       <preglow> sounds like a challening play
13.26.02 #       <linuxstb> preglow: I think it just refereed a game between two humans...
13.26.35 #       <LinusN> amiconn: well, you could build the 16k expansion
13.26.48 #       <amiconn> I know the 16KB expansion as well
13.27.16 #       <Coldtoast> I think I found another prob with rb on the nano
13.27.32 #       <Coldtoast> it seems to take a LOT more rubbing on the wheel to change volume
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13.37.27 #       <preglow> it does
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13.58.47 #       <webguest22> I've noticed the commit reg. Recording countdown timer. Nice feature! But why not call the structure members rec_xxx? The settings structure has many members and a clue from a name is great help.
13.59.14 #       <amiconn> Hrrm!
13.59.31 #       <webguest22> Or are those members a general purpose timer which can be linked to recording?
13.59.37 #       <amiconn> The recording countdown timer implementation has a number of serious problems just from looking at it!
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14.01.03 #       <amiconn> (1) It uses the user timer (why, btw?? The timing is in the range of seconds to days. Using the timer here is a big waste). Using the user timer interferes e.g. with backlight fading on the H1x0
14.01.43 #       <preglow> definitely bad
14.01.46 #       <webguest22> Does such timer make sense on H1xx? There is no RTC.
14.01.48 #       <preglow> and should be fixed asap
14.02.08 #       <amiconn> (2) It accesses the LCD from within the ISR. Badness! There is no guarantee the main thread wasn't half-way through an LCD update when the ISR kicks in
14.02.11 #       <webguest22> How could it be set to three days on H1xx?
14.02.30 #       <LinusN> webguest22: well, the player has to be on for 3 days
14.02.41 #       <amiconn> webguest22: It's just unnecessary to use the user timer. Using the tick is more than sufficient
14.02.56 #       <webguest22> LinusN: hmm... That's not the thing a DAP is for IMHO
14.03.06 #       <pondlife> Slasheri: around?
14.03.15 #       <LinusN> webguest22: but it's the only way to accomplish it
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14.03.37 #       <amiconn> (2) is the more serious problem imho
14.03.59 #       <amiconn> It might cause the LCD to show garbage, and LCD updates stop working completely until reboot
14.04.34 #       <pondlife> Anyone: around??!!
14.04.39 #       <pondlife> ;-)
14.04.46 #       <LinusN> amiconn: really nasty
14.04.53 #       <webguest22> LinusN: do we need such an esotheric feature? There are better ways to accomplish timed recording (sue a 'desktop' recorder), and there are other things to do i n RB (we have many pending patches in FS)
14.05.24 #       <webguest22> s/sue/use
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14.06.01 #       <LinusN> webguest22: well, i can imagine that quite a few people would want a record timer, maybe not up to 3 days, but a few hours would certainly be interesting
14.06.05 #       <amiconn> Imho, the commit should be reverted asap, unless there's a quick solution for both problems
14.06.12 #       <LinusN> amiconn: i agree
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14.06.29 #       <LinusN> webguest22: regarding what to do and what not to do, i refer to the FAQ
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14.07.03 #       <LinusN> webguest22: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GeneralFAQ#Why_are_you_developing_X_when_yo
14.07.37 #       <pondlife> I'm a bit unhappy.  My voice fix was committed too early and broke recording and has now been part reverted so voice is broken again.
14.07.46 #       <pondlife> Not sure where to go from here.
14.07.53 #       <LinusN> pondlife: wonderful
14.08.07 #       <LinusN> i can't understand why it was committed in the first place
14.08.11 #       <pondlife> Me neither
14.08.27 #       <pondlife> It was only up on FS for others to do prelmiinary testing
14.08.38 #       <webguest22> LinusN: well, I understand that and also understand why RB devs do or do not things. But as professional devs (and you are!) you also should keep in mind usability and not only fun factor.
14.08.52 #       * amiconn wonders what would be the easiest way to revert a multi-file commit
14.08.57 #       <LinusN> we are professional devs, but rockbox is our hobby
14.09.10 #       <webguest22> Or, in other words: implementing a really usefull feature should make fun even if it's not that much fun coding.
14.09.23 #       <LinusN> amiconn: do a cvs diff based on dates to create a patch, then patch -R
14.09.23 #       <pondlife> I guess I need to try reapplying it here and then do some recording... but I didn't realise playback.c would influence recording.
14.09.25 #       <Bagder> webguest22: so go ahead, implement those things
14.09.35 #       <amiconn> hmm...
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14.10.35 #       <LinusN> webguest22: remember, committing a pending FS patch is not a trivial thing
14.10.45 #       <webguest22> Bagder: well, I've provided some patches but they don't get committed. I won't tell which they are in order not to have a handicap.
14.10.54 #       <Bagder> haha
14.11.04 #       <Bagder> well, there are some 140 outstanding patches iirc
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14.11.25 #       <LinusN> most patches we get are incomplete
14.11.28 #       <preglow> webguest22: nagging is an integral part of getting patches commited :>
14.11.35 #       <preglow> don't be afraid to do it
14.11.45 #       <LinusN> and only tested on one platform
14.11.55 #       * obo nags but doesn't get anywhere
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14.12.23 #       <jhMikeS> uh oh what now with the recording? :\
14.12.46 #       <pondlife> jhMikeS:  you removed some of my playback.c patch (that Slasheri committed before it was finished)
14.13.04 #       <pondlife> And now voice is broken again
14.13.05 #       <jhMikeS> yes...you say voice is broken?
14.13.10 #       <pondlife> Yep
14.13.18 #       <LinusN> pondlife: how about reverting your entire patch?
14.13.24 #       <pondlife> Why?
14.13.30 #       <lini> obo: thanks for the updated unplug patch
14.13.31 #       <lini> :)
14.13.33 #       <preglow> you say yourself it wasn't tested well
14.13.34 #       <pondlife> I think it's a one line fix
14.13.34 #       <jhMikeS> What's wrong with it? I tested and it was operating just fine.
14.14.01 #       <obo> lini: you're welcome - now all I/we need to do is nag!
14.14.09 #       <pondlife> When a playlist ends naturally, voice thread calls swap_codec but no audio codec is around to ever swap back
14.14.34 #       <pondlife> There should not ba any calls made to swap_codec unless we know the "other" codec is alive
14.14.38 #       <jhMikeS> pondlife: it seems other problems were working the other way
14.14.46 #       <jhMikeS> there aren't
14.15.01 #       <pondlife> What was the recording impact?
14.15.13 #       <pondlife> We need to get both working together
14.15.15 #       <jhMikeS> Those messages aren't sent unless the voice codec is current
14.15.18 #       <pondlife> Of course ;-)
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14.15.30 #       <pondlife> Which messages?
14.15.31 #       <jhMikeS> The recording couldn't load the codec
14.15.48 #       <lini> obo: actually i made the same updates to my source yesterday, but there was a slight problem when i tested on my ipod
14.16.03 #       <jhMikeS> Q_ENCODER_RECORD, Q_AUDIO_PLAY to the voice thread
14.16.03 #       <lini> some of the menus were very laggy
14.16.06 #       <pondlife> The problem is that the message queue and dequeue can happen over the unloading of the audio codec
14.16.23 #       <obo> lini: ah, I think that might be down to the new scheduler system itself
14.16.25 #       <pondlife> It will be Q_AUDIO_PLAY that is the problem
14.16.37 #       <pondlife> I can look into it later in the week.
14.16.41 #       <lini> i suppose it's a problem with some other patch that i apply (e.g. piezo)
14.16.42 #       <obo> lini: is it the same for you in vanilla CVS?
14.16.47 #       <jhMikeS> It's no longer sent if current_codec != CODEC_IDX_VOICE
14.16.52 #       <pondlife> I'm more upset with Slasheri for commiting before it was tested fully ;0)
14.16.59 #       <lini> no, vanilla CVS is fine (i am using it atm)
14.17.08 #       <pondlife> I feel a bit defalted by the whole experience
14.17.12 #       <pondlife> deflated
14.17.13 #       <obo> lini: I haven't updated the piezo patch - it shouldn't be working at the moment
14.17.19 #       <jhMikeS> it doesn't need to be...otherwise voice can grab the mutex again in the meantime
14.17.35 #       <lini> obo: I modified it enough to work
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14.17.46 #       <obo> lini: fair enough :)
14.18.09 #       <lini> i will try a CVS + unplug only build tonight
14.18.25 #       <obo> lini: did you set the thread to use PRIORITY_BACKGROUND, or something a bit higher?
14.18.32 #       <jhMikeS> leading to deadlock...i think all the other stuff in there is ok afaik and should work alright
14.18.36 #       <lini> I set it to BACKGROUND
14.19.07 #       <obo> lini: hmm, yes, I'll play tonight
14.19.17 #       <jhMikeS> pondlife: deflated, why?
14.19.36 #       <webguest22> preglow: no, I won't nag, I respect RB devs, they've done very much good for me
14.20.03 #       <pondlife> Mainly because I thought I was doing the right thing by putting up the patch for testing, and yet it got committed before this process could complete
14.20.08 #       <pondlife> I'll recover
14.20.11 #       <pondlife> ;-)
14.20.18 #       <lini> If all seems fine, I promise to help with the nagging :)
14.20.28 #       <obo> lini: thanks :)
14.20.33 #       <pondlife> So the recording failure isn't subtle!
14.20.45 #       <LinusN> pondlife: you are certainly one of the few who gets his patch committed when you didn't want to :-)
14.20.52 #       <pondlife> I know!!
14.20.55 #       <pondlife> Lucky me!
14.21.13 #       <pondlife> And I now have commit access too...
14.21.26 #       <jhMikeS> ahh...I beat the tar out of it before committing the minor changes and I didn't have any problems...
14.21.54 #       <pondlife> No worries.  As long as I know what the bug recipes are, I can look into it
14.22.12 #       <pondlife> I did object a bit to the word "botched" though!
14.22.19 #       <jhMikeS> but with the playlist thing...swap codec seems a bad call if the codec you're swapping out isn't current.
14.22.28 #       <pondlife> I had spent 3 weeks reading and re-reading playback.c
14.23.19 #       <pondlife> IMHO there should be less tests on current_codec and more on x_codec_loaded.  Simpler to understand and ought to work just as well.
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14.23.45 #       <pondlife> Also relying on playing and voice_is_playing should be reduced.
14.23.45 #       <jhMikeS> "botched"? I didn't say that did I? I'm sorry then if I did. idr...I don't wanna sound like a snob or anything but I'm sure that I can plenty well ;)
14.23.54 #       <pondlife> lol
14.24.02 #       <pondlife> Apology accepted
14.24.18 #       <pondlife> Anyway, back to Real Life I go...
14.24.21 #       <jhMikeS> x_codec_loaded tests wouldn't fix deadlocks
14.24.28 #       <pondlife> Why not?
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14.25.07 #       <pondlife> That and not calling swap_codec at the wrong time...
14.25.08 #       <jhMikeS> Man...I don't remember but it was for a reason of timing where the voice codec could grab the mutex when you go to wait for it.
14.25.27 #       <pondlife> OK, will investigete further
14.26.13 #       <pondlife> II need to fix the problem where pcmbuf leaves the CPU boosted after playback stops too sometimes.
14.26.19 #       <pondlife> If voice is in use
14.26.45 #       <pondlife> That's all for another day though, bye
14.26.54 #       <jhMikeS> bye
14.26.54 #       * pondlife is late for work
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14.28.45 #       <vik> does volume get internally stored in dB?
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14.31.01 #       <amiconn> Anyone going to revert the recording timer commit?
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14.32.43 #       <amiconn> Should I do it?
14.33.49 #       * jhMikeS doesn't really know how atm
14.34.13 #       <amiconn> I've made a patch like LinusN suggested
14.34.27 #       <LinusN> amiconn: do it
14.35.44 #       <jhMikeS> If you have a RTC a programmable recording start/stop time like a VCR would be nice
14.36.19 #       <vik> that would be sweet
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14.41.03 #       <jhMikeS> How do you do a revert patch if you only have the latest CVS? What about commits subsequent to the one you're revering esp. if they share files? You have to manually save all the file versions prior to the commit and use those?
14.42.08 #       <LinusN> basically, yes
14.42.29 #       <theli_ua> can't ypu just checkout previous version?
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14.42.49 #       <mirak7> salut
14.43.26 #       <jhMikeS> greetings ever-increasing mirakN
14.43.57 #       <amiconn> jhMikeS:   cvs diff -D "2006-09-18 10:10 GMT" -D "2006-09-18 10:00 GMT" >undo_rectim.patch
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14.44.17 #       <amiconn> Then apply that patch to a clean checkout, and commit
14.44.22 #       * amiconn just did that
14.44.54 #       <jhMikeS> ahh...learned something useful :)
14.44.54 #       <mirak7> X5 have same problem than H300 about slow ram ?
14.45.23 #       <amiconn> yes
14.45.36 #       <amiconn> But the X5 has more IRAM
14.45.43 #       <amiconn> 128KB instead of 96KB
14.46.53 #       <jhMikeS> mirak7: memcpy's of working size chunks to IRAM from ram seem to do wonders.
14.49.16 #       <mirak7> jhMikes you tried that on some code ?
14.49.21 #       <preglow> eh
14.49.24 #       <jhMikeS> lcd_yuv_blit
14.49.40 #       <mirak7> a new one ?
14.49.41 #       * preglow tries to imagine a use for the recording timer
14.49.42 #       <jhMikeS> no
14.50.06 #       <vik> Where are standard C library functions defined?
14.50.51 #       <jhMikeS> mirak7: the ASM version always did that...see lcd-x5.c for an example
14.51.15 #       <mirak7> jhMikes I would be interested by a memcopy that copies blocks of ram. someting like memcpy(dest,source,line_size,nb_lines, offset)
14.51.33 #       <mirak7> and the opposite
14.51.49 #       <mirak7> maybe going full asm for that is not very usefull
14.51.52 #       <jhMikeS> memblit?
14.52.05 #       <mirak7> this exists, great
14.52.36 #       <jhMikeS> preglow: If it's 11:30 and you want to record at 12:00 set the timer for 30 min. ??
14.53.01 #       <vik> I want to implement some standard C library functions; where would they go?
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14.53.59 #       <jhMikeS> vik: Such as? There's already quite a number of them.
14.54.13 #       <vik> jhMikeS: mktime
14.54.24 #       <vik> and a couple of other time funcs
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14.54.59 #       <tucoz> Anyone here know if there is some internationl symbol/pictogram that identifies the blind?
14.55.00 #       <jhMikeS> firmware/common/timefuncs.c
14.55.07 #       <tucoz> For the manual, that is
14.55.34 #       <tucoz> I found this, but I am not sure if this is something official. http://www.worldblindunion.org/home.cfm?id=107&nivel=2&orden=1
14.55.58 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: What's the purpose?
14.56.25 #       <vik> jhMikeS: they should be declared in time.h; does that mean they should go in time.c ?
14.56.32 #       <tucoz> linuxstb: for the small symbols in the margin identifying a section especially written for the blind readers
14.56.33 #       <mirak7> jhMikeS I get better frame rates on low bitrates. I think that using bitrates of 400 is a waste of what mpeg compression offers. A correct bitrate for a 640*480 divx could be 600. a 220*176 screen is 8 times less the surface of a 640*480 screen, so using a bitrate of 400 seems a bit exessive don't you think ?
14.57.14 #       <tucoz> linuxstb: there is a vertical line followed by a righ arrow right now
14.57.18 #       <tucoz> *right
14.57.34 #       <tucoz> or would an eye be appropriate?
14.57.51 #       <jhMikeS> mirak7: I would think bitrate should be proportional to frame area.
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14.58.50 #       <tucoz> or a wheel chair maybe?
14.58.52 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: How would a blind person see the symbol?  Would a screenreader be able to handle it?
14.59.20 #       <jhMikeS> isn't that what the "ALT" property is for?
14.59.20 #       <Bagder> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/18/sandisk_rhapsody_tie-in/
14.59.46 #       <tucoz> linuxstb: I have no idea. We could probably write something identifying those sections.
15.00.05 #       <Bagder> I guess I can show my Sana dev board page again now ;-)
15.00.07 #       <tucoz> I meant mainly that the current symbol doesn't have anything with blind people to do
15.00.39 #       <preglow> hahahaha
15.01.50 #       <tucoz> preglow: what?
15.02.27 #       <jhMikeS> Comment on article: They're ok with being tied to iTunes because iPod is the default choice.
15.05.12 #       <tucoz> maybe this: http://www.europatanacs.hu/images/blind_pictogram.gif
15.05.40 #       <jhMikeS> Personal Experientce: It's not like my sister offered to get me an iAudio X5 for christmas. What do you think she initially was thinking about getting me? hmm :)
15.06.12 #       <idnar_> heh
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15.10.45 #       <mirak7> an ipod
15.10.54 #       <mirak7> someone got to say it
15.11.07 #       <jhMikeS> *ding*
15.11.32 #       <idnar> I got my X5 the same way
15.12.01 #       <mirak7> I am surprised by the screen size of X5, I though it was bigger.
15.12.05 #       <jhMikeS> I had to pay for half, my mother and she went 50/50 on the other half.
15.12.31 #       <jhMikeS> mirak7: It is a bit small...that color sound bit should have been left out to make way for more screen
15.12.40 #       <idnar> heh
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15.16.48 #       <jhMikeS> mirak7: why am I getting greenish blobs for video now?
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15.17.41 #       <pixelma> tucoz: I finished the Remotes.svg and Gigabeat.svg :)
15.18.16 #       <tucoz> cool. I can not get them atm though. I'm not in linux
15.19.53 #       <Lynx_> tucoz: isn't three black dots on a yellow background the official symbol for blind people?
15.20.42 #       <tucoz> Lynx_: the traffic sign is that. And the man with the stick seems to be not-for-print.
15.21.37 #       <Lynx_> tucoz: ok
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15.23.17 #       <tucoz> Lynx_: not for print, as in a sign where there is help for the blind (like a tourist attraction).
15.23.41 #       <mirak7> jhMikeS don't know it works for me
15.24.00 #       <mirak7> jhMikeS you sure you applyed all the patch ?
15.24.40 #       <jhMikeS> mikark7: I believe I just have the CVS since I made .zip from it and unzipped to the player...should try again.
15.26.05 #       <jhMikeS> amiconn: Adding the CS delay did nothing for the remote ticking BTW so I guess more drastic measures are needed.
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15.27.41 #       <mirak7> jhMikes the patch isn't in cvs I think
15.29.15 #       <pondlife> Hmm.. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6021 - is that a support question?
15.30.51 #       <pondlife> And what is fire ware?  Pottery of some kind I assume...
15.31.28 #       <LinusN> gasoline
15.33.50 #       <jhMikeS> What you get when overcharging?
15.33.59 #       <LinusN> heat?
15.34.31 #       <LinusN> maybe a gun?
15.34.46 #       <jhMikeS> heh
15.34.49 #       <tucoz> pondlife: I read your ml post, and I agree. I think we should warn people that if they add a support question, it will be deleted without explanation
15.36.06 #       <pondlife> I see both RaeNye and bluebrother have been policing - I'm sure Flyspray will be even more useful once the wheat and chaff have been separated...
15.36.28 #       * jhMikeS got a ticket for going over the severity limit
15.36.47 #       <amiconn> jhMikeS: Hmm. I can't imagine what we could do then. Unlike with the iriver remote, there's not much room for artificial delays...
15.37.39 #       <LinusN> on the other hand, i think the forums contains more and more "wrong forum" replies than actually useful replies
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15.38.21 #       <LinusN> i think the forum policing has gotten over hand
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15.42.46 #       <tucoz> LinusN: the moderation in the forums? yeah, there is always long discussions and complaints that the posting is made in the wrong thread/headline
15.44.17 #       <jhMikeS> amiconn: does the edge transition speed change with CPU frequency? It was also interesting that flipping data before flipping clock made it A LOT worse btw.
15.44.27 #       <linuxstb> Regarding flyspray, how about having a "how to report bugs" wiki page, and a highly visible link to it from Flyspray?
15.44.45 #       <LinusN> i think that the level of moderation may be perceived as somewhat hostile
15.44.57 #       <tucoz> yes. that is my impression as well.
15.45.51 #       <tucoz> The people moderating the forums know the forums in and out. But I would not expect e newcomer to do that
15.45.56 #       * pondlife wonders if the word "forums" exists; or would "fora" be more correct..
15.46.01 #       <aliask> linuxstb: That would assume that these people would bother reading it.
15.46.15 #       * tucoz things that pondlife is right
15.46.21 #       <tucoz> thinks even
15.46.29 #       <vik> how important is optimisation?
15.46.35 #       <pondlife> Not that anyone else in the world would know what fora are
15.46.39 #       <vik> in terms of code size?
15.46.40 #       <linuxstb> aliask: But at least it would be there...  At the moment, there is no guidance at all regarding how to use Flyspray.
15.46.46 #       <LinusN> vik: it depends on what you optimize
15.46.53 #       <amiconn> jhMikeS: I don't think the edge transition speed changes with CPU frequency, but of course the number of trnasitions per second changes
15.47.10 #       <amiconn> Iiirc the asm version flips clock & data at once
15.47.25 #       <tucoz> linuxstb: good idea. And that should be written in an friendly easy fast readable way :)
15.47.36 #       <aliask> linuxstb: Ugh, yes sorry. I misread "flyspray" for "forums", for which there is plenty on how to post.
15.48.04 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: Yes, by one of our highly-skilled and talented manual writers....
15.48.22 #       <vik> LinusN: standard library functions; in particular time functions. the glibc code is pretty large. But then I'm used to dealing with _really_ small amounts of memory, so my judgement may not be reliable
15.48.52 #       <tucoz> linuxstb: yes. I think they should write it as well :)
15.48.52 #       <LinusN> vik: the archos platforms are very sensitive regarding code size
15.49.39 #       <jhMikeS> amiconn: yeah...but I changed it to do data then clock as an experiment and results were very bad for EMI
15.49.39 #       <vik> LinusN: Hmmm... could do it without them, but it would not be as 'nice'
15.50.18 #       <jhMikeS> are there any funky seeming-not-to-make sense wires in the remote connected to CPU pins? *big speculation*
15.50.22 #       <vik> Do the archos platforms have RTCs?
15.50.47 #       <LinusN> vik: yes, some of them
15.50.56 #       <LinusN> vik: what are you doing?
15.51.14 #       <vik> LinusN: making an alarm clock.
15.51.17 #       <LinusN> jhMikeS: huh?
15.51.24 #       <LinusN> vik: the alarm plugin?
15.51.35 #       <vik> LinusN: yep; making it better
15.51.49 #       <vik> LinusN: and work on other devices
15.51.51 #       <LinusN> you can include any code you like in the plugin
15.52.02 #       <amiconn> Archos does have wake-up alarm (out-of-the-box for recorder v2 and fm, and with a smal hardware patch and a special build for recorder v1)
15.52.06 #       <jhMikeS> LinusN: just wondering if maybe they had something for EMI suppression built in... :\
15.52.23 #       <vik> LinusN: yeah, but library functions are, well, 'nicer'
15.52.39 #       <LinusN> vik: of course
15.52.53 #       <Bagder> there's a pluginlib too for plugin-only purposes
15.53.07 #       <LinusN> btw, i'm thinking of adding an alarm function API in the core
15.53.59 #       <LinusN> which broadcasts SYS_ALARM when the timer expires
15.54.00 #       <vik> LinusN: interesting.
15.54.02 #       <jhMikeS> LinusN: could be useful for recording
15.54.16 #       <LinusN> then we could have a cron thread that retriggers it
15.54.33 #       <vik> And would this be more useful if standard time functions were available?
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15.54.39 #       <LinusN> i'm not sure if we want the same event for RTC alarms though
15.54.40 #       <JdGordon> hey guys
15.54.55 #       <JdGordon> how big is rombox.ucl allowed to be?
15.54.57 #       <jhMikeS> LinusN: hmmm...can't set up private alarm callbacks/queues?
15.55.02 #       <JdGordon> i couldnt find it in the code
15.55.20 #       <LinusN> jhMikeS: i haven't thought about it
15.55.42 #       <vik> LinusN: how far away is it?
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15.56.50 #       <Bagder> JdGordon: see the MAXOUTFILE magic in the apps/Makefile
15.56.56 #       <LinusN> vik: not far at all
15.57.01 #       <JdGordon> Bagder: ok, ta
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15.57.53 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: rombox.ucl can take whatever is left in the archos flash ROM.
15.58.14 #       <amiconn> With the current flash loader and bootbox, it's 232KB for players and 228KB for all other targets
15.58.25 #       <JdGordon> thanks
15.58.33 #       <amiconn> (KB == 1024 bytes)
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15.59.05 #       <vik> g'night all
15.59.05 #       <JdGordon> damn, so we must be over by a fair bit currently
15.59.11 #       <amiconn> yes
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15.59.22 #       <amiconn> Even v1 is close to the limit now
15.59.35 #       <JdGordon> with my rework the fmrecorder builds again, but its less than 1kb spare :(
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16.01.03 #       <mirak7> jhMikeS about memcopy, it could maybe help to have the destination plane for working Y, U or V, then copy to sdram once the work is done. problem is we will short on ram maybe ... 220*176 octets or words that's a lot
16.01.12 #       <LinusN> time to start cutting out features for the archos platforms then
16.01.22 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Why?
16.01.38 #       <JdGordon> or cut features out of rombox...
16.01.48 #       <LinusN> well, we have 3 choices:
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16.02.05 #       <RaeNye> aloha
16.02.06 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: That would defeat the purpose of rombox
16.02.08 #       <LinusN> 1) Stop developing new features, since the archos devices are "full"
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16.02.29 #       <LinusN> 2) Let the archos devices have a subset of features
16.02.38 #       <LinusN> 3) Optimize, optimize, optimize
16.02.41 #       <JdGordon> arrrr!! thar be a bad idea yee land lubber..
16.02.42 #       <jhMikeS> hmmm...I count 7/10 pins accounted for...and you need GND and V+...so that leaves something else?
16.02.49 #       * Bagder votes 2  + 3
16.02.54 #       <JdGordon> sorry had to be the first.. it being sep 19th here already :p
16.03.24 #       <JdGordon> can rombox rolo to a regular rockbox from the disk?
16.03.25 #       <amiconn> There's one feature that can be cut for fm/v2 because it's not possible w/o hardware mod anyway - the archos remote control reading
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16.03.58 #       <amiconn> Someone needs to confirm that I don't remember that wrong
16.04.14 #       <amiconn> (the remote pin in the headphone connector not being available on fm/v2)
16.04.16 #       <Bagder> but really option 3 is only a matter of time until its not possible anymore anyway, and then there's only 1 and 2 left
16.04.23 #       <LinusN> amiconn: i think you're right
16.04.34 #       <amiconn> I don't have such a device myself
16.05.13 #       <Bagder> the archoses are a dying breed
16.05.24 #       <amiconn> Bagder: I see quite a few possibilities for (3)
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16.05.33 #       <JdGordon> if rombox can load a full rockbox from disk, then maybe dropping some less used stuff would fix it, they could always rolo tockbox from the disk if its needed
16.05.45 #       <LinusN> jhMikeS: button a/d, play button, vcc, gnd, lcd cs, remote sense, lcd clk, lcd data, lcd sel, lcd backlight
16.05.46 #       <Bagder> amiconn: since we'll continue to add features, (3) is a lost race
16.05.55 #       <amiconn> Not necessarily
16.06.22 #       <amiconn> You see that there's quite some potential e.g. in JdGordon's settings rework
16.06.31 #       <amiconn> Then there is langv2 ....
16.07.01 #       <JdGordon> not if you cut off its leg and force me to use english for the setting names :D (/me runs away)
16.07.13 #       <amiconn> And I suspect quite some dead code has creeped in since my last cleanup
16.07.15 #       <LinusN> amiconn: still, if we continue adding features, we will exhaust (3) sooner or later
16.07.17 #       * Bagder cuts lef
16.07.19 #       <Bagder> leg
16.07.21 #       <jhMikeS> oh right...something must go to the pcf50606
16.08.01 #       <Bagder> and clearly, there aren't that many developers keeping the Archos builds top-notch
16.08.12 #       <RaeNye> linusn,jhmikes: what are you counting?
16.08.14 #       <LinusN> but i agree that we should take a good look at the archos platforms to cut some fat
16.08.24 #       <LinusN> RaeNye: the pins in the remote connector
16.08.37 #       <JdGordon> another option is moving the wps code to a rock, with only a very minimul wps drawer in the core, but that breaks TSR rocks
16.08.49 #       <RaeNye> brb
16.08.49 #       <amiconn> Cutting junk would help all builds, even if we aren't that short on memory there
16.09.01 #       <LinusN> JdGordon: don't go there
16.09.06 #       <amiconn> Even that's not entirely true, thinking about the iFP...
16.09.07 #       <Bagder> cutting junk is good
16.09.10 #       * JdGordon dont's
16.09.35 #       <LinusN> the bookmark code can be trimmed, for instance
16.10.15 #       <jhMikeS> I was wondering if this sort of the thing should be in the *config*.h file (rather than elsewhere) for defining recording sr caps: #define REC_SAMPR_CAPS (SAMPR_CAP_88200 | SAMPR_CAP_44100 | SAMPR_CAP_22050 | SAMPR_CAP_11025)
16.10.16 #       <JdGordon> bookmarks should be scrapped and replaced with playlist code which takes care of it and .cue files (imo)
16.11.20 #       <LinusN> .cue files for bookmarks?
16.11.36 #       <JdGordon> no, but with change playlist code they would be handled the same way
16.11.55 #       <JdGordon> both are just a maerker into another audio file
16.12.00 #       <preglow> hear, hear
16.12.29 #       <LinusN> iirc, bookmarks can be are markers in a directory/playlist, can't it?
16.12.36 #       <LinusN> s/are//
16.12.56 #       <JdGordon> i dunno, havnt actually looked how they are handled...
16.13.42 #       <Bagder> haha
16.13.49 #       <Bagder> you want to scrap it before knowing what it does?
16.13.59 #       <JdGordon> sounds logical doesnt it?
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16.14.31 #       <jhMikeS> heh...noone cares what I do? cool... :)
16.14.44 #       <Bagder> .cue files would take a major approach and I don't see that happening anytime soon
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16.15.11 #       <Iltsu> Hey
16.15.16 #       <JdGordon> from using it, i just assume it jumps into a track, not a directory/playlist.. if im wrong then ill retract the statement...
16.17.44 #       <amiconn> jhMikeS: For the remote, you have: GND, Vcc for all electronics; /CS, DATA, RS, CLK for the LCD; the button chain to ADC, and at least one more button connected to GPIO
16.20.25 #       <jhMikeS> amiconn: yes...LinusN gave me the list of ten...I forgot about the ADC line :P
16.24.26 #       <markun> Bagder: we found a JTAG connector on the Gigabeat PCB. Not that useful now, but maybe if we want to try flashing some day
16.24.41 #       <Bagder> nice
16.24.58 #       <markun> It also has the TxD0 and RxD0 which are nice for a Linux port to connect to a terminal(emulator)
16.25.32 #       <Bagder> a serial port is also nice for debugging
16.25.53 #       * Bagder recalls one of the irivers having code left for spitting out debug data on its serial
16.26.17 #       <LinusN> oh yes, that was a dream when disassembling
16.26.37 #       <markun> There is code in the gigabeat bootloader to receive a file with x-modem over serial and flash it
16.26.51 #       <Bagder> good old xmodem
16.26.52 #       <LinusN> that, and that iriver h100 has a very generous silkscreen mask on the pcb
16.27.50 #       <markun> Someone joined our gigabeat team. bought 3 broken gigabeats on ebay (2 are working again now) and desoldered some chips. He also found the JTAG connector.
16.28.08 #       <Bagder> sounds like a useful team member!
16.28.12 #       <markun> Yes, very
16.29.35 #       <markun> btw, when I typed RxD0 in our PortPins page it became a wiki link. How can I prevent that? (calling it RXD0 fixed it)
16.29.46 #       <LinusN> <nop>WikiName
16.29.59 #       <markun> ok
16.31.05 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, disabling screen output gives just about 15% on my mini
16.32.06 #       <theli_ua> linuxstb, disabling internal screen processing gives about 5% more
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16.39.58 #       <nls> JdGordon, here
16.40.03 #       <nls> ?
16.40.08 #       <JdGordon> here there and everywhere...
16.40.20 #       <nls> did you see fs#6012
16.40.26 #       <JdGordon> not yet...
16.40.50 #       <nls> I think it's an action thing.
16.41.42 #       <JdGordon> yup, ill fix that tomorow
16.42.06 #       <JdGordon> ive assinged it to me, so hopefully ill get an email so i wont forget
16.43.12 #       <nls> nice :)
16.44.29 #       <JdGordon> nope, its not sending me an email :( ill have to do a proper reminder
16.45.25 #       <nls> I can nag you tomorrow... :-)
16.45.32 #       <JdGordon> or that :p
16.48.44 #       <amiconn> theli_ua: On coldfire it might be very different
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16.50.16 #       <Iltsu> when I run ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
16.50.41 #       <Iltsu> It says image is compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo/color...
16.50.45 #       <Iltsu> is that ok?
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16.52.40 #       <jhMikeS> Should I bother to add anything in the gmini config? Isn't that the abandoned one?
16.53.03 #       <Bagder> you can ignore that I'd say
16.53.09 #       <jhMikeS> :)
16.54.07 #       <linuxstb> Iltsu: Yes, that's fine.  Do you know which version of the Apple firmware you are using?  If it's 1.2, you need to do something slightly different to install Rockbox.
16.55.38 #       <theli_ua> amiconn, yes but unfortunately i can't test it :(
16.57.01 #       <amiconn> The question is what we should do with the gmini code
16.57.27 #       <amiconn> Just leave it as it is? remove? Try to keep it up to date?
16.58.10 #       <Bagder> I say remove
16.58.43 #       <amiconn> Leaving as-is isn't an option imho. It tends to get in the way when cleaning up things (e.g. moving stuff to target tree)
16.59.34 #       <markun> Bagder: will the cvs changes be preserved when we migrate to svn?
16.59.39 #       <theli_ua> kill it !!! kill it!!! :)
16.59.41 #       <Bagder> yes
16.59.52 #       <Bagder> markun: cvs2svn preserves the whole history
17.00.33 #       <Iltsu> linuxstb: I'm quite sure it's 1.1 :)
17.00.53 #       <theli_ua> bye all
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17.00.56 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Btw, was farsan.haxx.se updated to the current gcc 4.1.2 snapshot, or just excluded from building simulators?
17.01.19 #       <Bagder> its not excluded so I guess it is updated
17.01.37 #       <Bagder> it is LinusN's machine
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17.02.31 #       <Iltsu> How unstable those Daily builds are?
17.02.56 #       <Iltsu> and thre isn't stable for nano?
17.03.48 #       <Bagder> we haven't done a "stable" release for any target in over a year
17.04.07 #       <Bagder> dailies are as stable as you get these days
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17.07.50 #       <x1jmp> As lcd_clearrect is no more in the plugin api, which function can be used instead?
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17.09.11 #       <linuxstb> Has the person who was working on the gmini port definitely abandoned it, or did he just disappear?
17.09.37 #       <Bagder> he disappeared when his PC died and he couldn't affort a new one
17.09.51 #       * amiconn points x1jmp towards http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI
17.10.09 #       <Iltsu> Thanks
17.10.18 #       <Iltsu> My ipod is now running rockbox \o/
17.10.26 #       <Iltsu> Hurray \o/
17.10.26 #       <amiconn> lcd_clearrect() was removed months ago...
17.11.13 #       <Bagder> the "this port has stalled" note for Gmini was added in April 2005
17.11.46 #       <x1jmp> for some time now the wiki gives me a 403 error
17.13.00 #       <Bagder> x1jmp: all wiki links?
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17.14.18 #       <x1jmp> Bagder: I haven't yet found a working one
17.14.33 #       <Bagder> what IP are you using?
17.14.47 #       <Bagder> this same one you IRC as?
17.15.06 #       <x1jmp> yes
17.15.47 #       <Bagder> "client denied by server configuration"
17.16.55 #       * Bagder checks why
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17.19.56 #       <Bagder> weird, can't see why
17.20.14 #       <Bagder> real life hour!
17.21.12 #       <x1jmp> I even can't access using tor...
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17.26.44 #       <JdGordon> woohoo... amiconn, you bookmarking idea for viewer works great :)
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17.37.26 #       <RaeNye> how would the alarm/scheduler/countdown timer thingy call RB functions?
17.38.25 #       <RaeNye> most of the current code (e.g., recording, FM radio) defines actions only as gui callbacks (usually all in a single handler function)
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17.40.27 #       <JdGordon> grrr..s tupid build table.. hurry up so i can goto bed :p
17.41.11 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: Why is the viewer config binary instead of using configfile?
17.41.31 #       <JdGordon> amiconn: coz i havnt got around to changing that yet...
17.41.49 #       <amiconn> Wasn't it textual before?
17.41.53 #       <JdGordon> nope
17.41.56 #       * amiconn might remember that wrong
17.42.06 #       <amiconn> OK
17.42.57 #       <JdGordon> oh fark... soz about the table.. last time i code @ 2am :p
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17.47.07 #       * amiconn wonders whether JdGordon tested locally at all before committing
17.47.14 #       <JdGordon> yes....
17.47.28 #       <amiconn> _all_ targets broke
17.48.27 #       * RaeNye did that once
17.48.52 #       <JdGordon> well... if the damn core could init structs it wouldnt be a problem...
17.48.56 #       * JdGordon runs away
17.49.25 #       <JdGordon> the line is nice and colourfull tho :D
17.51.08 #       <RaeNye> speaking of init structs, the default remote lcd contrast on X5 is incorrect
17.51.41 #       <RaeNye> how would I use remote_lcd_get_default_contrast() in the setting struct init to solve this?
17.51.45 #       <amiconn> RaeNye: I observed that myself, and asked whether this is true for others
17.52.02 #       <amiconn> It might be that there are different hardware revisions of the remote
17.52.07 #       <amiconn> I need 23 or 24
17.52.25 #       <RaeNye> I reported in on FS#6011
17.52.58 #       <RaeNye> same here. Moreover, the possible range is 1 to 30 (and the default is 42)
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17.53.14 #       <amiconn> oh?
17.53.47 #       * amiconn thought the possible range is 0 to 63 like on all other contrast-capable lcds
17.53.49 #       <RaeNye> are there different remote HW revisions? I thought it's just remnants from iriver code
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17.54.59 #       <webguest72> Hello. Some time ago there was a discussion about the new screen "state machine". This was related to the screen after startup IIRC. Has anything been done to this? I've seen a patch in FS but it's staled.
17.55.40 #       <JdGordon> green table.. me goes to bed
17.55.42 #       <JdGordon> cyaz
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17.55.59 #       <RaeNye> lcd_remote_set_contrast() doesn't do any scaling and the limits are Min=1 Max=30
17.56.11 #       <webguest72> Patch FS#5049 to be precise
17.56.45 #       <RaeNye> amiconn: 0 is light and 63 is dark on other b/w lcds?
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18.11.09 #       <desrt> rock out!!
18.11.41 #       * desrt just got 8gb nano :)
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18.13.25 #       <preglow> desrt: did you know
18.13.31 #       <preglow> are you going to make rockbox work on it? :>
18.13.56 #       <preglow> s/know/now/
18.14.12 #       <Iltsu> wtf, it crashed
18.14.38 #       <Iltsu> What I should to do now?
18.15.47 #       <desrt> rockbox doesn't work on 8gb nano?!
18.16.58 #       <markun> no
18.17.09 #       <Iltsu> Anyone? :P
18.17.19 #       <Iltsu> What I have to press now? :P
18.17.20 #       <markun> desrt: they use a different CPU now
18.17.24 #       <Iltsu> I'm at panic
18.17.26 #       <desrt> no shit.
18.17.36 #       <markun> Iltsu: it's probably somewhere in the wiki
18.17.41 #       <desrt> so i now have a very expensive paperweight.
18.17.53 #       <desrt> oh it sucks to be me.
18.18.09 #       <markun> desrt: can't you use it to play music too?
18.18.17 #       <Iltsu> markun: I tried :P But I don't found it
18.18.20 #       <desrt> afaik it doesn't play ogg/flac
18.18.31 #       <desrt> which makes it approximately useless for playing music
18.18.45 #       <SUSaiyan> desrt: convert them to mp3?
18.18.57 #       <desrt> what a pain in the ass
18.19.01 #       <desrt> apple pisses me off so much
18.19.11 #       <SUSaiyan> lol
18.19.28 #       <desrt> it's like everything they do is designed to fuck you
18.19.31 #       <desrt> bah!
18.19.44 #       <SUSaiyan> sounds like microsoft
18.20.03 #       <markun> Iltsu: I don't have an ipod. If you wait long enough someone who knows will answer.
18.20.15 #       <markun> Iltsu: maybe "Hold Menu and Select until your iPod reboots."
18.20.43 #       <Iltsu> markun: thanks
18.20.50 #       <Iltsu> I found it at the same minute :P
18.21.58 #       <markun> desrt: there will be support for then new nanos eventually I think, but it's basically a whole new port
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18.23.12 #       <linuxstb_> desrt: Think of it as an opportunity to learn embedded programming...
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18.25.28 #       <desrt> heh.
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18.25.35 #       <desrt> i have enough projects already, thanks :)
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18.25.45 #       <desrt> any word on what architecture it is?
18.25.48 #       <preglow> desrt: sucks indeed, perhaps we should put up some message detailing that we _don't_ work with the new nano
18.26.02 #       <preglow> linuxstb_: the new 5gs have the same hardware as before, or?
18.26.12 #       <desrt> preglow; ya.  i sort of got screwed by the lack of that message :)
18.26.37 #       <desrt> heh
18.26.37 #       <preglow> but no, we'd love to support it, but apple have switched almost all the important hardware in it
18.26.40 #       <linuxstb_> preglow: I would bet money on them still being PP/Broadcom, but beyond that, I don't know.
18.26.41 #       <preglow> and we still have no docs
18.26.42 #       <desrt> "Use iTunes to restore"
18.26.47 #       <desrt> it is not happy.
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18.27.10 #       <preglow> linuxstb_: yeah, i'm willing to bet that too
18.27.27 #       <preglow> sweet lord, how annoyed i am at having to start over again
18.27.36 #       <preglow> this time with no ipodlinux advances to take advantage of :/
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18.28.04 #       <desrt> preglow; are you doing the new nano port, then?
18.28.08 #       <preglow> no
18.28.14 #       <preglow> i have 1. no time, 2. no new nano
18.28.58 #       <linuxstb_> I have 1. a new nano, 2. no time, 3. no skill at cracking encryption, which is the first thing that needs to be done.
18.29.33 #       <webguest47> TI calc hackers have implemented USB support including mass storage, mouse and keyboard for the TI-84 Plus calculators (68k based).. Pretty cool, but unfortunately for us in 68k asm..  http://usb8x.sourceforge.net/
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18.33.25 #       <lowlight> linuxstb: I wonder if MrH wants to look at the new nano's bootloader/firmware?
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18.35.55 #       <linuxstb_> lowlight: I hope so.  But unlike the .mi4 firmwares, both the main firmware and the bootloader are encrypted.
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18.39.58 #       <webguest47> TI calc video: http://usb8x.sourceforge.net/usb8x.wmv
18.41.04 #       <lowlight> linuxstb_: have you looked at other samsung based dap's? Iriver clix/u10.
18.41.32 #       <markun> lowlight: the gigabeat is 'samsung based'
18.45.36 #       <mirak> linuxstb: do you have some low bitrates elphant dreams in stock ?
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18.46.07 #       <linuxstb_> Only what are on download.rockbox.org.  What are you looking for?
18.47.13 #       <mirak> well a divx is often 600-700kbs for a resolution of 640*480, which is 8 times the surface of a dap screen, so I am thinking 100kbs should be enough
18.47.31 #       <mirak> for the bitrate
18.48.07 #       <mirak> I also get better frame rates with low bitrates
18.48.48 #       <lowlight> markun: ahh, so when are you starting the new nano port :)
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18.54.33 #       <linuxstb_> mirak: OK, I'll try.  But don't forget that Elephants Dream is computer-generated, so it will compress much better than "real" video.  What resolution do you want?
18.55.07 #       <mirak> 224*176 4:3 and 16:9
18.55.48 #       <mirak> linuxstb: the video I encoded where 220*something, I realise it's not a multiple of 16 or 8, but it didn't seemed any rescaling was done
18.56.49 #       <mirak> the 160*96 video runs at 44 fps
18.57.23 #       <RaeNye> mirak: on which device?
18.57.49 #       <mirak> h300 but the screen is bigger ^^
18.59.30 #       <RaeNye> with or w/o the idct patch?
19.01.47 #       <mirak> with
19.02.03 #       <mirak> in fact the thing that really speed things is IRAM usage
19.02.15 #       <mirak> more than using asm
19.02.24 #       <RedBreva> anyone installed RB on a 5G Video with the latest 1.2 Firmware yet?  I am getting an error "Cannot open firmware file apple_sw_rcsc.bin" when  trying to merge the bootloader...
19.02.55 #       <mirak> RaeNye: problem is it's not easy to see how we can use IRAM at other places in the codec
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19.07.55 #       <linuxstb_> RedBreva: Do you have that file in the current directory?
19.07.59 #       <RedBreva> OK, my bad... .bin is not the same file as .bon
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19.17.35 #       <preglow> RaeNye: man, you're really at it, aren't you :P
19.19.15 #       <RaeNye> what? where? I wasn't here
19.20.36 #       <preglow> just talking about all the tracker reports i'm getting
19.20.45 #       <RaeNye> mirak: have any clue how to fix the compiler error when doing a logf build with the idct patch? I'd commit it
19.21.11 #       <RaeNye> yeah, I decided to clean up a little.
19.21.33 #       <RaeNye> 4 separate requests for lyrics
19.21.36 #       <mirak> no I don't know. I don't know how this can happen
19.21.53 #       <RaeNye> it happens at yours as well?
19.22.11 #       <mirak> I didn't tryed debug build
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19.23.03 #       <mirak> maybe debug need a register to store stack or something and none is left
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19.23.35 #       <mirak> RaeNye: you might want to put a !DEBUG
19.24.00 #       <RaeNye> possible, but I only enabled logf support, not debug (-g and stuff)
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19.27.41 #       <amiconn> RaeNye: logf still removes -fomit-frame-pointer (which doesn't make sense for pure logf _imho)
19.29.06 #       <amiconn> And yes, 0 is white and 63 is black for contrast on other targets, but the usable range is much smaller and depends on the target
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19.31.52 #       <jhMikeS> Why is there a function to retrieve a constant value like lcd_default_contrast or lcd_remote_default_contrast? Just make the #define public and dispense with that.
19.32.09 #       <amiconn> Nope
19.32.19 #       <rasher> Hi. I am not the rasher that was here earlier today. Can anyone tell me if it's possible to turn on some kind of protection against "imposters"? Nickserv doesn't seem very cooperative.
19.32.21 #       <RaeNye> amiconn: so either we fix this in the configure script or use a C version for devel builds?
19.32.27 #       <amiconn> You're at least the second one running into that
19.32.37 #       <RaeNye> jhmikes: I did that once and broke archos
19.32.43 #       <amiconn> On some targets, the default contrast depends on some hardware revision
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19.33.36 #       <RaeNye> so how can we init the struct correctly?
19.33.45 #       <jhMikeS> I did define the ranges and default publicly for the x5 main LCD and put that in the default slot for the cfg table.
19.33.53 #       <amiconn> RaeNye: For logf, we should fix the configure script. For debug builds, we can either use the C version, or fix the asm to leave one more spare a register
19.34.17 #       <RaeNye> (at least, using a #define instead of the arbitrary constant 42)
19.34.37 #       <amiconn> Just do it like it's done for the main LCD
19.35.19 #       <jhMikeS> coudld have a macro that expand to a function call on some build and a constant on other...i dunno.
19.36.45 #       <RaeNye> but you can't call a function on struct inits... apart from the confusion introduced
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19.37.19 #       <O11> hey!
19.37.38 #       <O11> could someone explain to me how to interpret a battery bench test?
19.38.34 #       <jhMikeS> true...that needs special handling. I wouldn't find it confusing since in most places there's no difference in usage.
19.38.36 #       <markun> O11: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBatteryBenchmark
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19.40.20 #       <O11> hmm.. so how do i know if my battery is lasting a normal amount of time/
19.40.22 #       <O11> ?
19.40.38 #       <jhMikeS> 42
19.41.08 #       <O11> what?
19.41.37 #       <RaeNye> hmm...
19.41.50 #       <markun> O11: how long is it lasting and what player do you have?
19.42.07 #       <RaeNye> why is -g a default options in $GCCOPTS for coldfire?
19.42.15 #       <O11> I have a h300 and it lasted 1 hour
19.42.25 #       <markun> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime
19.42.28 #       <O11> I was playing a looped song a 0 volume
19.42.34 #       <O11> *at
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19.43.03 #       <O11> maybe I hadn't charged it long enough.. i had charged it for about 10 hours but it still wasn't full.. so that's when i did the test..
19.43.25 #       <jhMikeS> 42: The Answer to The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
19.43.31 #       <markun> perhaps time to buy a new battery
19.43.42 #       <O11> jhMikeS: yay
19.43.55 #       <O11> markun: but.. but.. why would it become so rubbish?
19.43.56 #       <RaeNye> jhmikes: also the default value of X5 remote lcd contrast
19.44.10 #       <jhMikeS> RaeNye: *creepy*
19.44.35 #       <markun> O11: perhaps you didn't treat it right
19.45.01 #       <O11> how do you not treat it right?
19.45.02 #       <amiconn> RaeNye: Does the -g hurt? Guess not
19.45.03 #       <markun> Do you always play till the battery is completely empty?
19.45.19 #       <O11> hmm.. probably not..
19.45.25 #       <markun> You shouldn't
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19.45.36 #       <markun> not with li-ion batteries
19.45.44 #       <O11> you shouldn't play till it's empty? ok..
19.45.55 #       <markun> I don't know why it because so bad, but they have a limited life time
19.46.14 #       <RaeNye> amiconn: it adds to the code size; I just hope debug symbols don't get in DRAM/IRAM
19.46.14 #       <markun> s/because/became/
19.46.45 #       <amiconn> RaeNye: It adds debug symbols to the object files. They're completely stripped when linking
19.47.39 #       <rasher> Note to the other rasher (in case he's reading in the log): Could you please pick another nick (for Rockbox use)? I was sortof here first, and I'm sure we'd both like to avoid the confusion.
19.47.46 #       <amiconn> I don't think -g influences code generation, but that should probably be checked...
19.48.05 #       <rasher> Note to everyone else: When a rasher is talking, if he's not identified with Nickserv, it's not me (Jonas Häggqvist)
19.48.22 #       <Bagder> rasher: I did detect that as he came over an irish net
19.49.03 #       <preglow> fistfight!
19.49.20 #       <amiconn> rasher: If that happens and you come in, you can take the nick over via nickserv
19.49.54 #       <rasher> amiconn: Yeah, but I'm not much around, so it's mainly the confusion I'd like to avoid, not so much the fact that my nick is taken
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19.50.47 #       <mirak> motion_comp.c have different target optimisations on libmpeg2, I can't understand what most of the code is doing, so if anybody is interested.
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19.51.02 #       <rasher> anyway, I'm off again
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19.52.52 #       <x1jmp> Bagder: could you find out why I have no access to the wiki?
19.53.12 #       <Bagder> I'll investigate later
19.53.16 #       <jhMikeS> All the coldfire targets at this point should support the same recording sample rates, right? Want to know about any freaky exceptions.
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19.54.36 #       <x1jmp> Is there another way to get the api documentation?
19.54.40 #       <RaeNye> amiconn: I don't see the stripping anywhere in apps/Makefile, but as apps/rockbox.bin is significantly smaller than apps/rockbox.elf, I assume it happened
19.54.57 #       <RaeNye> still -g could interfere with optimizations (-O)
19.57.09 #       <jhMikeS> That's what H100/H120/H300/X5? No other SWCODEC has recording so all that should be the same I guess.
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20.14.30 #       <RaeNye> amiconn: fixed tools/configure, but I'm not sure how to detect on compilation time whether -fomit-frame-pointer is active
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20.35.06 #       <x1jmp> Bagder: I just found out that the wiki issue is Konqueror only, Firefox and others work well
20.36.01 #       <x1jmp> Konqueror isn't allowed to access the wiki even though I can change the browser identification
20.38.58 #       <linuxstb> Do you mean that Konqueror works if you change the browser identification string?  Or it still doesn't work?
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20.47.08 #       <x1jmp> linuxstb: it still doesn't work
20.47.52 #       <Genre9mp3> markun: around?
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20.52.57 #       <Genre9mp3> wow... hardeep! :)
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20.53.48 #       <Genre9mp3> hardeep: I was wondering if you have some time for a commit...
20.54.03 #       <hardeep> i say the same thing when I see me =)
20.54.12 #       <hardeep> Genre9mp3: sure, what would you like me to commit?
20.55.01 #       <Genre9mp3> iCatcher stuff (code update to the new volume/battery enum system and some new versions)
20.55.21 #       <Genre9mp3> X5 remote, H10 5GB and Gigabeat that is
20.55.33 #       <petur> wow
20.55.40 #       <hardeep> Genre9mp3: okay.  please mail them to me: rockbox AT pobox.org
20.55.54 #       <Genre9mp3> hardeep: Thanx! :)
20.55.57 #       <hardeep> er rockbox AT pobox.com
20.57.54 #       <Genre9mp3> hardeep: done!
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20.58.44 #       <hardeep> Genre9mp3: thanks.  i'll update shortly
20.58.57 #       <Genre9mp3> hardeep: I've already did some tests... the wps bundle with the builds as they should
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20.59.08 #       <hardeep> cool
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20.59.14 #       <Genre9mp3> same for the cfg generation
21.02.49 #       <TeaSea> I'm quite interested about how the DAP market is going to progress now.
21.02.59 #       <TeaSea> It's possible to get 32GB compact flash cards now.
21.03.09 #       <TeaSea> and CF reader/writers are cheap.
21.07.11 #       <petur> wait until you can get 32GB cards you can buy and don't cost a ton ;)
21.08.18 #       <petur> Seagate announced a new density record for harddisks, so DAP's with hdd's will get smaller and get bigger capacities
21.11.15 #       <petur> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/18/seagate_demos_high_density_hdd/
21.11.51 #       <Genre9mp3> 275GB??? wow
21.12.44 #       <petur> and the alternative: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/18/tdk_flash_drive/
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21.13.27 #       <Xerion> lol i'd like to make my H140 a H1275 ;)
21.13.53 #       <BigMac> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/18/seagate_demos_high_density_hdd/
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21.15.21 #       <amiconn> chos
21.15.22 #       <amiconn> os
21.15.23 #       <amiconn> s
21.15.32 #       <linuxstb> So to ask the question at the end of that article - how do you backup those sized hard drives?  Onto other hard drives?
21.15.33 #       <Xerion> just a glitch in the matrix
21.15.53 #       <BigMac> imagine the possibilities
21.15.56 #       <Xerion> yes...
21.16.01 #       <Xerion> like that 2.5 TB drive
21.16.05 #       <BigMac> soon we'll have 400 gb daps
21.16.08 #       <petur> so much more junk to collect
21.16.12 #       <Xerion> would love some of those in raid5 :p
21.16.29 #       <Genre9mp3> linuxstb: A 3.5 inch 300GB drive would do the trick
21.16.39 #       <TeaSea> petur: Yes but to be honest, unless battery life improves or HD efficiency shoots up, I think my next player will be a flash one.
21.16.59 #       <TeaSea> My X5's battery life is dire.
21.17.03 #       <TeaSea> And i've only had it a year.
21.17.37 #       <mirak> it's bullshit anyway, you don't need 50 gigas just for music on a dap
21.17.47 #       <linuxstb> You don't?
21.17.52 #       <petur> why not?
21.18.03 #       <mirak> since the invention of drag and drop and usb2
21.18.19 #       <petur> I take all my music with me, and would like to take all my pictures with me too
21.18.25 #       <Xerion> meh just picking the albums takes too much time :p
21.19.11 #       * amiconn actually uses the dap for storing music, without keeping it on the pc
21.19.23 #       <Genre9mp3> Not to mention lossless music...
21.19.40 #       <mirak> all the music I have will never fit on a dap anyway, so I better get used to select music
21.19.42 #       * petur has backups
21.19.45 #       <amiconn> Of course I have multiple full copies
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21.20.07 #       <amiconn> It's highly unlikely that all daps will fail at the same time
21.20.41 #       <mirak> wanting to have all is music on the dap is symptome of collectionners (don't know how it is translatedà
21.20.42 #       <mirak> )
21.20.46 #       <petur> my pc serves the music files for my home music system so I have them there too
21.21.04 #       <mirak> it's like people who burn everything, but will never watch a quarter of it
21.21.08 #       <TeaSea> petur: Yes.
21.21.11 #       <TeaSea> mirak: Heh.
21.21.17 #       <petur> no mirak, freedom of choice
21.21.23 #       <TeaSea> I watch everything I download before I burn it.
21.21.25 #       <Slasheri> i have all music and files on server that i backup to lacie bigdisk 600GB with rdiff-backup over network
21.21.28 #       <Xerion> as long as there are desktop HD's bigger than the DAP hd's all my music will never fit lol
21.21.43 #       <petur> I listen to the music I want at that moment, and can select any song I have
21.21.43 #       <amiconn> mirak: I disagree. I only keep music I like. Other music gets deleted
21.21.45 #       <Xerion> nah not even that
21.21.45 #       <TeaSea> petur: I'm rarely away from my PC for more than a day, so I think a 4GB player would suffice for me.
21.21.58 #       <hardeep> Genre9mp3: are all the bmp's in the iCatcher/UniCatcher still needed or can some be removed?
21.22.06 #       <Xerion> can have multiple hd's in pc so it will never fit :D
21.22.19 #       <amiconn> Maybe that's why my whole music collection still fits on a 20GB dap (the majority of which is lame --preset standard  encoded)
21.22.21 #       <mirak> amiconn: yes but on all the music you have on your dap you will only a listen a quarter
21.22.22 #       * petur gets out more :p
21.22.27 #       <Slasheri> in fact now with the automatic song rating in rockbox it would be easy to remove songs you don't like if the hd is getting full
21.22.42 #       <amiconn> Oh noes
21.22.56 #       <Genre9mp3> hardeep: The file I sent to you has all the new bmps, don't erase the previous ones :)
21.23.05 #       <Xerion> meh 4 GB would really be too little to fit music for all moods i might develop during the day
21.23.15 #       <markun> Genre9mp3: you were looking for me?
21.23.17 #       <Xerion> can't predict how i'll feel all day
21.23.23 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: I still don't get the purpose. I mean, I know what music I like and what music I dislike without a rating system
21.23.24 #       <hardeep> Genre9mp3: okay, I haven't deleted anything :)
21.23.25 #       <mirak> Xerion: yes, but with 20G that's really a lot
21.23.32 #       <Genre9mp3> markun: Yup, then hardeep showed up! :)
21.23.38 #       <markun> ok :)
21.23.44 #       <Xerion> i have 40GB now, it does seem enough :p
21.24.42 #       <Xerion> when DAP's have usb host function you can just take some drives in usb cages with you heh
21.24.54 #       * linuxstb wonders when the first person will try Rockbox or IPL on the new 80GB 5g ipod...
21.25.09 #       <RaeNye> well, off I go.
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21.26.42 #       <Genre9mp3> hardeep: Thanx a lot! :)
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21.28.40 #       <hardeep> hmmm, should we remove rombox from the build for now to get rid of the errors?
21.28.57 #       <amiconn> imho we shouldn't
21.29.24 #       <linuxstb> I agree - it does no harm.
21.29.38 #       <hardeep> all green looks nice :)
21.30.11 #       * linuxstb looks acusingly at markun's bootloader :)
21.30.15 #       <amiconn> Yes, but "all green by cheating" doesn't
21.30.47 #       <hardeep> are we going to be able to fix it though?  i'm guessing it requires removing/cleaning up code?
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21.32.53 #       <Gatechy260> anyone out there who can help with decrypting .mi4 files?
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21.33.30 #       <Gatechy260> or more pointedly, who can help with dealing with the results of decrypting a .mi4 file?
21.34.39 #       <linuxstb> What do you mean by "dealing with"?  What do you want to do?
21.35.43 #       <Gatechy260> well, I've decrypted an mi4 file using the mi4code.c program, but I'm not sure exactly what format it decodes the mi4 file into
21.36.06 #       <petur> a non-encrypted binary perhaps?
21.36.12 #       <Gatechy260> i'm assuming it's some sort of assembly-ish thing, but I couldn't find anywhere in the documentation where it specified
21.36.43 #       <linuxstb> If you want to disassemble: "arm-elf-objdump -D --target binary -marm PP5022.mi4.bin"
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21.38.32 #       <markun> Gatechy260: what are you trying to do?
21.38.40 #       <Gatechy260> getting a command not found from cygwin when trying to run that
21.39.55 #       <Gatechy260> markun: trying to figure out what an mi4 file does so that I can hopefully someday help out with the sansa e200 port
21.40.08 #       <Gatechy260> or is, I guess I should say, instead of does
21.41.31 #       <Mmmm> Can someone tell me how I set up a tick task or show me an example of one I can look at?
21.42.37 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: i just almost never select directly what song to listen to, but i select for example all songs with score over 85 and shuffle the selection and be happy :)
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21.43.20 #       <Slasheri> and sometimes it's also nice listen to never played tracks too
21.44.31 #       * amiconn has no never-played tracks
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21.45.35 #       <hcs> I've got a working ADX decoder, should I post a patch now or keep working on it until it's more perfect?  I only have an iPod photo to test it on, so it'd be nice to see if anyone has success with it on other platforms.
21.45.42 #       <Lear> mmmm: see tick_add_task. not many examples afaics, but car adapter mode seems to be one.
21.46.00 #       <Mmmm> ok, thanks lear :)
21.46.27 #       <Lear> mmmm: debug audio thread might be a better one...
21.46.46 #       <lowlight> So, I got inspired during lunch and made a vertical progress bar for the wps...
21.46.49 #       <lowlight> http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/vert_prog_bar.bmp
21.47.22 #       <obo> lini: around?
21.47.23 #       <petur> what about vertical peakmeters?
21.48.46 #       <amiconn> Mmmm: There is quite a number of tick tasks. Button driver, adc driver (on some targets), ...
21.49.12 #       <amiconn> Just make sure not to perform lcd updates from a tick task, that's isr context as well
21.49.23 #       <Mmmm> ok, and they are all called by tick_add_task right?
21.49.31 #       <lowlight> I don't see why not. Peakmeters are just scroll bars. But they'd be on the left of the screen.
21.49.31 #       <preglow> hcs: adx?
21.49.36 #       <amiconn> No, they are added by tick_add_task
21.49.48 #       <amiconn> ...and called by the timer tick isr
21.49.54 #       <amiconn> ...HZ times per second
21.49.59 #       * Lear only looked for tick tasks in apps...
21.50.09 #       <hcs> preglow: a 4-bit ADPCM format used in a whole lot of video games, has looping
21.50.49 #       <preglow> hcs: well, what's missing? is there a good reason not to post a patch?
21.51.06 #       <Mmmm> amiconn: ok :) so there is no way to call a tick task fewer times than HZ times per second?
21.51.13 #       <amiconn> nope
21.51.41 #       <hcs> preglow: well, it loops infinitely right now (as that's how I like it), I'd like to add a finite number of loops + fade (controllable by a config file), and the metadata reading isn't quite right
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21.52.25 #       <amiconn> And for the other problem: Under normal circumstances, nothing but the gui thread has the right to write to the display.
21.52.32 #       <preglow> hcs: if it plays nice, go ahead and post a patch, but don't expect anything to get commited
21.52.45 #       <Mmmm> amiconn: is there any way to tell the main thread to write to the display from a tick task?
21.52.53 #       <amiconn> Send a message
21.53.04 #       <markun> hcs: can I get a sample file somewhere?
21.53.11 #       <hcs> preglow: sure, I just want to get something out there, after a few more features today I'll put it up
21.53.13 #       <amiconn> I wonder whether it would be better to wait for Linus' general SYS_ALARM implementation
21.53.20 #       <webguest31> hey there all, ive some questions about some patches, the first 1: is there a reason why i should not apply http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5934 ?
21.54.00 #       <amiconn> Mmmm: More precisely, you could either send a message to a queue, or set a variable that is polled by the main thread
21.54.31 #       <Mmmm> ahh right, thanks... will linus's SYS_ALARM affect a recording countdown timer?
21.55.00 #       <amiconn> ...or finally, just don't interact that way but implement the blinking indicator directly in the main thread
21.55.01 #       <hcs> markun: my web site which hosts them has recently had the bandwidth beaten out of it, you can find some here: http://rotb.mgbr.net/music.htm
21.56.05 #       <hcs> ah, crashes at the end of non-looped tracks, want to get that taken care of...
21.56.20 #       <Mmmm> amiconn: the trouble with the blinking icon is that it has to happen no matter what you are doing eg. playing music, listening to radio, browsing folders etc..
21.56.47 #       <amiconn> Is it really necessary?
21.56.56 #       <Mmmm> no..but it would be nice!
21.57.08 #       <Mmmm> then you could always tell when the timer is finished
21.57.08 #       <amiconn> I think a recording timer doesn't make sense outside of the recording screen
21.57.33 #       <webguest31> i heared about  pause on headphone remove, and 64 meg buffer patches. where can i find them?!
21.57.34 #       <Mmmm> hmmm...maybe
21.57.42 #       <amiconn> You simply can't switch to recording from anywhere. It needs preparation
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21.58.36 #       <amiconn> It should be possible to show an activated timer in the status bar
21.58.50 #       <amiconn> It doesn't necessarily need to flash
21.59.07 #       <Mmmm> amiconn: I just thought it may be possible that while waiting for the countdown to complete, you might suddenly decide that you want to do something else and it would be nice if there was some kind of indication. and there is no room in the statusbar :D
21.59.26 #       <amiconn> Only problem is the recorder status bar, where there is no extra room
21.59.35 #       <Mmmm> yup!
21.59.36 #       <amiconn> All other status bars have some room
21.59.52 #       <amiconn> But you could e.g. invert the time display on rtc targets
21.59.56 #       <webguest31> am i asking the wrong way?
22.00.17 #       <Mmmm> amiconn: you're a genious!
22.00.28 #       <Mmmm> that's a good idea!
22.00.38 #       <obo> webguest31: on the patch tracker :)
22.00.39 #       <amiconn> On other targets, the place where the time display would be could display a timer icon
22.00.56 #       <Mmmm> yeah.. I like it...
22.01.32 #       <webguest31> i cant find anything by "headphones"
22.01.45 #       <obo> patch number 4899
22.01.45 #       <amiconn> What happens if you're doing something else and the timer expires?
22.01.55 #       <amiconn> Like listening music, playing a game plugin etc?
22.02.26 #       <Mmmm> rtc can alternate
22.02.35 #       <Mmmm> inverse/non inverse
22.03.01 #       <amiconn> I don't mean the display only
22.03.20 #       <Mmmm> you mean some sort of sound warning?
22.03.24 #       <petur> I feel this countdown timer is not going to be used much.. why bother with it outside the recording screen?
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22.03.59 #       <petur> using the rtc alarm + preprogrammed action to perform is much more usefull
22.04.18 #       <Mmmm> not all targets have an rtc :p
22.04.22 #       <petur> I know
22.04.33 #       <petur> mine has :p
22.04.34 #       <amiconn> I think th etimer should be programmable in terms of date+time on rtc targets, and as countdown on non-rtc targets
22.04.44 #       <petur> yes
22.05.14 #       <amiconn> And if the timer has a settable action, it could be useful for other purposes than just recording as well
22.05.41 #       <amiconn> The settable action probably requires the screen state machine already mentioned several times
22.07.26 #       <amiconn> With rtc, the alarm should of course also be able to power up the dap, if the hardware permits it
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22.12.39 #       <Mmmm> gtg...I'll look into the tick task and statusbar stuff... Thanks amiconn...
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22.14.15 #       <amigan> How would one go about getting the dual boot patches working on the x5? The mkboot patch that's on flyspray apparently refuses to apply against today's daily tree.
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22.59.29 #       <hcs> I'm having trouble with my decoder switching to the next track, I get a crash and "Data abort at 01F00170" on the iPod, but no problem in the simulator
22.59.42 #       <hcs> no problem if I skip manually to the next track, too
23.00.14 #       <preglow> what codec?
23.00.23 #       <hcs> the one I just now wrote
23.00.31 #       <hcs> ADX
23.00.31 #       <preglow> haha, right
23.00.34 #       <preglow> well, weird
23.00.45 #       <preglow> data abort almost always means you've tried to access an unaligned memory address
23.01.10 #       <hcs> hmm, I don't think I do anything over a byte
23.01.57 #       <hcs> ok, I can cause it by switching manually to the next track, didn't notice that before
23.02.05 #       <hcs> and its only one specific file, seemingly
23.02.44 #       <Genre9mp3> Wow! Check this new DAP from Cowon: http://www.cowonglobal.com/product/product_F2_feature.php
23.02.55 #       <Genre9mp3> It surely looks good...
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23.03.35 #       <Bagder> looks like a phone
23.03.46 #       <Bagder> similar to the sansa I'd say
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23.04.29 #       <Genre9mp3> Well, It surely draw my attention though...
23.04.57 #       <amiconn> PaysForSure ...
23.05.14 #       <petur> lol
23.05.33 #       <Genre9mp3> amiconn: Of course not with RetailOS... :)
23.05.46 #       * obo looks for devs to nag
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23.06.54 #       <obo> any chance that someone could cast an eye over fs#4899?
23.07.44 #       <petur> wow... line-in connector directly on the DAP
23.07.53 #       <hcs> preglow: ah, I did have a 32-bit access within an 8 bit array, needlessly, and that seems to have been the culprit, thanks a lot
23.08.09 #       <preglow> hcs: definitely a no-no on ipod
23.08.23 #       <hcs> yep, careless me
23.08.43 #       <hcs> I had that same problem when I started development on MIPS, the simulators don't catch alignment...
23.09.13 #       <hcs> though this is a decidedly different simulator
23.09.21 #       <billodo> anyone have trouble w/128kbps .m4a on iAudio X5?
23.09.24 #       <preglow> what is autopause...
23.09.56 #       <obo> detecting if anything is in the headphone socket
23.10.03 #       <preglow> right
23.10.18 #       <preglow> that's functionality i don't even want, so no luck here :>
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23.11.12 #       <obo> yeah, I have a habit of writing patches that the devs don't like :(
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23.15.53 #       <preglow> i just don't see the need for that functionality at all
23.16.15 #       <preglow> if i unplug my headphones, it's because i want my ipod to continue playing, but without me hearing it
23.16.25 #       <hcs> I get alternately irritated that that feature exists, and when it is absent.
23.16.32 #       <lini> i like it :)
23.16.44 #       <hcs> I tend to unplug my headphones by accident a lot
23.16.51 #       <lini> it's a nice way to turn off the ipod without taking it out of the bag
23.16.54 #       <preglow> i never do that
23.16.57 #       <Bagder> I don't have an ipod, but I never pull my plugs out
23.16.59 #       <obo> yeah, it's a love it or hate it kind of thing....
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23.17.48 #       <lini> between holding a button for 6 seconds and just taking the phones out, i pick the phones :)
23.18.29 #       <Bagder> holding a button for 6 seconds?
23.18.42 #       <lini> well it's less than 6 actually
23.18.59 #       <lini> but it's hard to find it in the backpack pocket anyway
23.20.37 #       <dionoea> amiconn: i'm not too found of the touchwheel thing in solitaire
23.20.49 #       <dionoea> it's a bit too sensitive :)
23.21.17 #       <amiconn> hmm....
23.21.35 #       * dionoea should try it out before critisizing
23.23.11 #       <lini> obo: have you done any work on the piezo driver since the last patch you posted on the tracker?
23.23.31 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Looks like farsan.haxx.se wasn't updated. We were just lucky that it didn't get a simulator build scheduled
23.23.37 #       <Bagder> hehe
23.24.14 #       <obo> lini: not since the last update on the tracker
23.24.23 #       <amiconn> See ipod color sim in the 20:47 round
23.24.24 #       <Bagder> I'll send over a team with baseball bats to make him dist-upgrade
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23.24.49 #       <linuxstb> Bagder: Don't you have ssh access to the box? :)
23.25.07 #       <obo> lini: you updated it for the scheduler change and general bit rot?
23.25.20 #       <Bagder> I do, now let's find out how I can get sploit his box to give me root... :-P
23.25.36 #       <Bagder> maybe I should learn to type first...
23.26.02 #       <TeaSea> Anyone here good with math?
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23.26.06 #       <lini> obo: i did, but I think there is something wrong or it conflicts with another patch
23.26.25 #       <obo> what happens?
23.26.26 #       <lini> i will try a clean cvs build + piezo to see it it works alone
23.26.40 #       <lini> no sound from the speaker when i set duration
23.27.28 #       <obo> hmmm, pitch is set to something sane?
23.27.40 #       <lini> yes, the default
23.28.04 #       * dionoea remembers doing police siren sounds with his piezo
23.28.28 #       * Bagder remembers playing music with his C64's disk drive
23.28.33 #       <preglow> obo: so you're the piezo driver guy, now that patch i'd be more interested in
23.29.01 #       * dionoea would love that Bagder port his C64 disk drive music player to the ipod piezo
23.29.13 #       <Bagder> :-)
23.29.15 #       <obo> preglow: hmmm, okay 1 for 2... but I bet you wouldn't like the audioscrobbler one either :)
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23.29.31 #       <Bagder> brrrrr burrrrr birrrr brrrr
23.29.46 #       <dionoea> obo: did you see the comment i added at the end of the piezzo patch entry on FS ? (about the waveform thing)
23.29.59 #       <amiconn> Well, there's a game for the ZX Spectrum that plays music with the built-in speaker (_not_ the optional AY sound chip!), which can only be switched on & off
23.30.14 #       <dionoea> Bagder: sounds neat :)
23.30.16 #       <obo> dionoea: yes, I did, but then I didn't touch anything rockbox releated in about 5 weeks... so haven't done anything about it
23.30.26 #       <preglow> obo: i see no problem with that, i even used audioscrobbler myself up to a point
23.30.27 #       <amiconn> Kinda 1-bit software DAC - and the music is recognisable!
23.30.32 #       <dionoea> you can basically use it to emulate volume change
23.31.54 #       <obo> preglow: piezo is FS#5111 - is that even a sane way of doing things??  I wrote it during the freeze, so didn't want to ask anyone then
23.32.39 #       <obo> preglow: I'll have to scrape the bit rot off the audioscrobbler patch if it stands a vague chance
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23.43.36 #       <hcs> ok, my adx decoder patch is up, 6023
23.44.30 #       <lini> obo: i just tried a build with the piezo patch
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23.44.58 #       <lini> it works, but the sound is not synchronous with the scrolling :(
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23.45.21 #       <lini> for examle i scroll 4 lines but only 2 clicks are heard
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23.45.37 #       <obo> lini: what priority did you give the piezo thread?
23.45.41 #       <lini> background
23.45.52 #       <lini> i guess this is too low
23.45.52 #       <obo> might be worth upping it a bit?
23.46.12 #       <lini> i'm afraid that this will bring back the skipping audio
23.46.17 #       <lini> i'll try of course :)
23.46.23 #       <preglow> it shouldn't
23.46.29 #       <preglow> the thread should be primarily sleeping
23.46.38 #       <preglow> just waiting for queued messages, i guess
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23.47.21 #       <obo> yeah, that thread doesn't exactly do a lot
23.47.29 #       <amiconn> Why does the piezo need a separate thread?
23.47.44 #       <obo> my crude way of making it not block
23.48.02 #       <obo> if it's a strange way of doing things blame it on my not knowing any better :)
23.48.11 #       <preglow> amiconn: you're the one who intially told me to put it in its own thread
23.48.22 #       <preglow> amiconn: the piezo needs to be enabled, then forgotten until it's time to stop it
23.48.32 #       <amiconn> Yes.
23.48.38 #       <amiconn> Is it controlled vi agpio?
23.48.38 #       <preglow> amiconn: the best way to do that is register a tick task that stops it after so and so many ticks
23.48.57 #       <preglow> amiconn: you just set the freq and it handles itself
23.51.23 #       <amiconn> How many ticks are needed for a button click?
23.51.36 #       <amiconn> Maybe it could be handled by the button tick directly?
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23.52.42 #       <desrt> does anyone know what sort of cpu is in the new ipod nano?
23.53.48 #       <preglow> a samsung arm/calmrisc affair
23.54.01 #       <preglow> amiconn: i used just one tick for duration
23.54.23 #       <preglow> amiconn:  i did handle it in the button tick, but you didn't like that...
23.54.26 #       <desrt> i have no idea how i'm meant to get music onto this thing
23.54.50 #       <amiconn> Oh?
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23.55.17 #       <amiconn> Maybe I need to check the logs why I didn't like it
23.55.26 #       * amiconn is slightly confused
23.55.45 #       <preglow> amiconn: don't remember why, but i THINK it was because you didn't want it always ticking
23.56.15 #       <amiconn> Of course it should be optional...
23.56.27 #       <lini> hmh, same effect with PRIORITY_SYSTEM
23.56.36 #       <lini> sounds like a geiger counter when i scroll :)
23.56.45 #       <amiconn> Speaking about the ipod button driver - using the wheel doesn't update last_user_activity
23.57.10 #       <amiconn> Very annoying when playing sudoku and needing to think a while, only moving around the grid with the wheel...
23.57.10 #       <obo> lini: maybe it's trying to tell you something... :)
23.58.07 #       <lini> hm, i'd better change my socks then
23.58.08 #       <preglow> amiconn: i think it was because the wheel tick then wouldn't necessarily mean that something happened in the user interface
23.58.21 #       <preglow> amiconn: so you thought the tick should be handled from the gui code that handled the button events
23.58.45 #       <amiconn> hmm...
23.58.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I remember witnessing that conversation