--- Log for 04.10.106 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 18 hours ago 00.01.32 # for what it's worth my H10 is a US reflashed to UMS firmware 00.03.43 # 5gb model 00.04.08 # I keep forgetting 00.04.10 # 5gb model 00.04.13 # and 20gb model 00.04.23 # they are the same under the same model name 00.04.30 Join Garoth [0] (n=garoth@216-154-16-108.dsl.look.ca) 00.05.10 # I forgot some of the files for an install on an iPod Mini and it became stuck at the bootloader. I need to mount in order to put the files in, but I don't know how. Please help. 00.05.51 # Anyone here? 00.06.26 # Just reboot it into emergency disk mode. 00.06.43 # Instructions for that should be in the IpodInstallation wiki page, *maybe* the manual, and on Apple's site even. 00.06.43 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.06.45 # How does one reboot when stuck at bootloader? 00.06.51 # Hold Menu+Select 00.07.03 # THANKS! 00.07.18 # Much, much better. Thanks so much 00.10.50 # Thanks again, everything works now. 00.12.33 Join Yono [0] (n=jason@69-169-149-152.bflony.adelphia.net) 00.12.46 Part Garoth ("Leaving") 00.15.36 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-227-213.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 00.21.41 Join loenie [0] (n=loenie@145.116.8.217) 00.22.36 Quit gursikh () 00.31.19 Quit pagefault ("Leaving") 00.32.56 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACAD83EA.ipt.aol.com) 00.32.57 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.35.09 Join trubld1 [0] (i=4a620c88@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.35.26 Quit trubld1 (Client Quit) 00.36.03 Join trubld1 [0] (i=4a620c88@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fe20819163515eb8) 00.36.11 Part trubld1 00.40.27 Part loenie 00.41.18 # linuxstb: do you think it would be ok to commit the ipod target tree patch? 00.41.25 Join loenie [0] (n=loenie@145.116.8.217) 00.42.22 # I haven't been able to get anyone to test it on a 3g, 4g or mini, but there isn't really any new code so i'd imagine they would work fine 00.43.24 Quit loenie ("Quitting!") 00.43.27 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.43.55 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslc-082-082-136-075.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.44.09 # barrywardell: Do the builds for those compile at least? 00.44.17 # yes 00.44.29 # i've compiled for all ipod targets 00.46.31 Join avl [0] (n=avl@145.116.8.217) 01.01.27 Quit obo ("bye") 01.09.36 # so nobody against me committing the ipod target tree patch? 01.11.05 # barrywardell: Whats the tracker number? 01.11.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890 01.11.44 # no new code, just moving stuff around 01.13.33 # The ipods are a hard fit for target tree - almost all the code is used by multiple ipods... 01.15.16 # yeah 01.15.31 # that's why i put the common code in the apple folder 01.15.45 # rather than in the model specific subdir 01.16.03 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 01.16.05 # But you also seem to have copied things like the backlight code into multiple subdirs. 01.16.12 Quit mhite ("It is much easier to do and die than it is to reason why.") 01.16.35 # the backlight code is different for different models though 01.17.39 Quit hcs (Remote closed the connection) 01.18.19 # The Nano and 5g is the same, as is the 4g and Color/Photo. 01.19.01 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 01.19.17 # And the two mini generations are the same... 01.19.34 # true, but i don't see a nice way to fit them into the target tree 01.19.47 # it's only a small amount of code duplication anyway 01.20.41 # Can't you just have backlight-mini.c, backlight-nano_5g.c and backlight-4g.c in the apple/ directory? 01.21.34 # yes, i could do that 01.22.13 # seems like a reasonable solution 01.22.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.24.32 # I would have also called the files/directories ipod instead of apple, but I guess it's too late for that (at least for the directory). 01.24.42 Join secleinteer_ [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-228-203.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 01.24.47 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-69-210-246-88.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 01.26.16 # it can always still be changed 01.26.32 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 01.27.17 # but configure calls it t_manufacturer 01.27.26 # so maybe apple makes more sense? 01.27.41 # It's harder now that you've created the directories in CVS. But I don't feel that strongly about it - Apple are unlikely to ever call their players anything else. 01.28.30 # I think manufacturer was the original idea, but I think it changed to "series of players" with the iaudio directories (manufactured by Cowon) 01.28.47 # creating the apple directory was an accident. I never knew cvs add added a directory without having to commit 01.29.13 # Yes, cvs is nasty like that. 01.30.06 # thinking about it, calling the dir ipod instead of apple is a good idea 01.30.16 # * Paul_The_Nerd agrees 01.30.22 # a little extra work, but probably worth it 01.30.33 # Not that apple's likely to make non-iPod players. But still. 01.30.52 # Well, they've done that with the new Nano, but they still call them ipods... 01.30.54 # Dunno, Nintendo stopped calling their handhelds Game Boy 01.31.10 # hcs: The DS is officially not a part of the Gameboy line. 01.31.20 # Paul_The_Nerd: my point 01.31.45 # But the DS is also not targeted as the same sort of game system. It's supposed to get calender software, a web browser, etc. 01.32.08 # That's like the Newton, were it to resurrect. I'm certain it could play MP3s, but it clearly wouldn't be a DAP. 01.32.48 # meh, just being contentious, unsuccessfully 01.33.20 # Why do we have Manufacturer/Model folders? 01.33.28 # Why don't we start with CPU type? 01.33.30 # barrywardell: I also think the power-apple.c and power-ipodvideo.c files could be merged. I would expect the video code to work on other ipods - but IIRC, it was never tested. 01.33.41 # I mean, the H10 fits much better among the Apples than the rest of the iRivers. 01.34.08 # * barrywardell agrees with Paul_The_Nerd 01.34.15 # Paul_The_Nerd: I agree. Maybe when SVN comes, we can rearrange it. It's easier to do now that we have lots more targets. 01.34.37 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE3BA.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.34.54 # Especially with the whole pile of MI4-firmware'd players 01.35.18 # linuxstb: so move power-ipodvideo.c into power-apple.c and leave an ifdef in there? 01.35.30 # Yes, I think so. 01.35.51 # If we end up with too many #ifdefs in power-apple.c then we could split. But I don't think that's the case now. 01.36.25 Quit secleinteer (Success) 01.36.44 # ok 01.40.49 # so name the dirs ipod/3g, etc? 01.41.29 # and the files button-3g.c, etc? 01.41.57 # Is there anything left in the directories? 01.42.20 # not much, button in 3g and mini1g 01.43.30 # would it be nice to have the directory structure there for future use? or add it as needed? 01.44.20 # I don't think it they will be needed - almost no code is unique to a single ipod. 01.44.40 # ok. i won't add them then 01.45.15 # there's just lcd-video.c 01.45.21 # and the 3g stuff 01.45.40 # and mini buttons 01.45.50 # they can all have their own dir? 01.48.11 # Could the lcd-ipodvideo.c file stay where it is? That's gone through a lot of changes, so it would be nice to keep the CVS history. We could move it when SVN happens. 01.48.35 # yes, ok 01.50.21 # One option would just to have no subdirectories under arm/ipod/ and have button-3g.c, button-mini.c and button-????.c (not sure about the last name). 01.50.21 # Does anybody know, why I always have to restart my H380 after connecting it to the Cradle (usb+power)? If I not restart it, it doesnt play MP3s. And if I connect it again withour restarting, it shows USB-Connected but doesnt get recognized by the PC. 01.50.48 # But I expect there will be more 3g-specific code in the future - there's a lot of hardware unique to that ipod. 01.51.32 # yes, 3g should probably have its own dir 01.51.50 Quit Yono (Remote closed the connection) 01.51.59 # * linuxstb_ switches computers 01.52.02 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.52.53 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp191-208.adsl.forthnet.gr) 01.52.57 Join Cheapy_ [0] (n=nostrada@kron2-46-61.resnet.wisc.edu) 01.53.04 # I just recognize that it doesnt happen with default settings. hmm 01.53.11 # how about button-ipod.c? 01.53.21 # It's as good a name as any. 01.53.51 # I was also thinking button-clickwheel.c - that's what Apple call the wheel on those ipods. 01.53.56 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 01.54.16 # clickwheel sounds good 01.55.32 # isn't clickwheel the one on the newer ones and touchwheel the 3G one? 01.55.33 # Rob2222: I think there have been some bug reports about that in the past, but I don't think anyone could recreate it. If you can find a way to reliably trigger that behaviour, file a bug report. 01.58.13 Quit Cheapy_ ("Leaving") 01.59.24 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-12-211.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.59.51 # linuxstb: I just have to load my settings .cfg file to recreate the bug 02.00.39 # Rob2222: How old is the build you are using? 02.01.09 # 060913 02.01.33 # just installed latest cvs. *test* 02.01.38 # Well...can you try with a newest build? 02.01.43 # Ah... 02.02.01 # I had that problem, too with my H340 but not anymore... 02.02.10 # (with latest cvs build) 02.03.34 # huh. lol. its really solved. 2 month or so im anger about the problem, now i ask and start to analyze the bug with different cfg files and its solved. 02.03.42 # well. ok :) *happy* 02.04.38 # ok, then i can go to bed. 02.04.42 # good night :) 02.04.44 # You should thank pondlife 02.04.52 # he was the one who fixed it 02.04.59 # good night! 02.05.18 # you know what it was? 02.06.43 # Not exactly...but pondlife did a mod as part of his voice work that fixed it 02.06.46 # linuxstb: What does "Error reading from disk: The parameter is incorrect." mean in the context of iPodPatcher, if they just type "ipodpatcher 1"? 02.07.05 # I could reproduce for quite some time now... 02.07.52 # But it's being fixed since 26 or 28 Sep 02.07.59 # ok 02.08.11 # you could reproduce it? or couldnt? 02.08.20 Join Garoth [0] (n=garoth@209-161-213-82.dsl.look.ca) 02.08.21 # I now cannot 02.08.28 # ok :) 02.09.02 # Sorry to be a bother... 02.09.18 # I'm trying to run rockbox on a 1st gen iPod mini. 02.09.20 # Paul_The_Nerd: I don't know - the error message being displayed is just the error that the Windows read() function gives... 02.09.54 # It hardly gets past the bootloader, sometimes to the rockbox loading screen, and occasionally to the actual core... any suggestions? 02.10.03 Quit PaulJam (".") 02.10.26 # linuxstb: Gotcha. 02.11.13 # No one? 02.11.45 # Garoth: You haven't actually asked a question yet 02.12.01 # Well... it doesn't get past the loading screen very often. 02.12.23 # So... what do I do? 02.12.31 # Thanks for your attention though. 02.13.01 # Garoth: Try a build from here, for the time being, until the frequency scaling bug is fixed: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 02.13.18 # So, this is due to the bug? 02.13.27 # That it sometimes loads and sometimes not? 02.13.43 # BTW, I'm using the mini g1 daily build. 02.14.03 Quit Cheapy| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.15.24 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.21 # Yes 02.16.25 # Most likely 02.16.43 # This build requires one to recreate the bootloader and the .ipod files? 02.18.26 # You don't need to reinstall the bootloader. 02.18.34 # You just install it as if you were updating your build to a newer one 02.18.41 Join aliask [0] (i=d231be71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.18.52 # Thanks! 02.18.52 Quit aliask (Client Quit) 02.18.57 Join aliask [0] (i=d231be71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9b76f072caa78ae0) 02.24.27 Quit aliask ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.25.13 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 02.27.03 Quit Garoth ("Leaving") 02.46.17 Join H10_UMS_5gb [0] (i=461d1fc4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.48.05 # hi. i just installed rockbox on my player and whatever i play mp3 file (any) it freezes and resumes.. so basically its goes and stops plays and stops 02.48.30 # any idea whats the problem? 02.48.38 # Change the skin. 02.48.39 # See if that works. 02.48.46 # I have a similar problem, and it's the peaks. 02.48.54 # i have default 02.48.57 # Yeah. Change it. 02.49.04 # The default has a peak thingie, and it makes my tracks skip. 02.49.06 # ok 02.50.31 # - long pressing play to get into playlist mode pauses playback <- this sounds like from the file browser yeah? 02.51.10 # JdGordon: I didn't think long-press play did anything. Ever. 02.51.18 # on the recorder 02.51.19 # I thought play only had a short-press function 02.51.21 # Ah 02.51.42 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg53005#msg53005 he wasnt very specific 02.52.46 # If you hold down play on the iPod, it stops the song. :| 02.53.03 # It's supposed to, because the iPod has no stop button 02.53.05 # its supposed to there... ipod doesnt have stop, the recorder does 02.53.10 # hehe. :P 02.53.21 # I didn't know that any player had a shortcut to playlist view. 02.53.28 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders why long-Play doesn't do that on H1x0 02.53.29 Quit avl ("Quitting!") 02.53.52 # coz h1x0 has a-b and navi buttons 02.54.25 # Archos Jukebox Recorder 20 <- which target is this? REcorder, FM Recorder? Recorder v2? 02.54.51 # It could be Recorder or Recorder V2 02.55.10 # hmm.. thats what i was afraid of 02.55.19 # i guess ill post a patch instead of the bin 02.55.22 # But there's not a shortcut to Playlist on the H100 series at all is there? 02.55.40 # i tihnk he means the insert options 02.56.25 # should be the "simple" Recorder http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-recorder/rockbox-buildch3.html 02.56.42 # ah ok, thanks 02.57.30 # Maybe you should get a clarification on the Play/Pause button thing before changing anything 02.57.36 # Find out exactly what he's referring to not working 02.57.45 # * Paul_The_Nerd wishes he could find the USB cable for his Recorder. 02.59.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: Why? Is it proprietary? 03.00.03 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 03.00.25 # Genre9mp3: no...usb A to A...both male 03.00.37 # Oh 03.00.59 # It's just not a common cable 03.01.05 # I could go to Fry's and get one, but last time I was there they were out. 03.03.34 # rockbox.ucl is the recorder equiv of rockbox.iriver yeah? 03.03.53 # JdGordon: .ucl is for flashing 03.04.13 # grr... ajbrec.ajz is the one they want ? 03.04.17 # yup 03.06.28 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.192.122) 03.11.52 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.15.07 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 03.15.39 # one more Q. how do you change theme? 03.16.35 # Select Browse Themes in the main menu, choose one. 03.19.39 # H10_UMS_5gb: Don't forget to install the fonts pack as well if you haven't done this already 03.20.25 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-176-4-27.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 03.20.49 # ya i did it, thnx. i have x5 running rockbox 03.21.13 # but h10 so lame.. 03.22.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.22.59 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.23.02 # i guess i have some kinda screen driver problems, because sometimes my screen turns pure white, whatever i turn it on 03.23.30 # and it happens with bth, original and rockbox 03.23.38 # *both 03.28.37 Quit toad__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.28.55 Quit H10_UMS_5gb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.29.59 Part pixelma 03.33.03 Join toad [0] (n=toad@gob75-5-82-231-180-120.fbx.proxad.net) 03.33.57 Quit barrywardell () 03.38.14 Quit Kajarii ("qwerty is evil and should not be used!") 03.40.48 # oh 03.40.49 # he left 03.40.52 # I could have helped him 03.40.54 # I had the same player 03.40.56 # doh 03.51.56 Quit toad (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.56.07 Join toad [0] (n=toad@gob75-5-82-231-180-120.fbx.proxad.net) 03.59.29 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 04.03.35 Join `burns [0] (n=tom@199-201-8-8-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) 04.03.52 # <`burns> hello all 04.04.14 # <`burns> I've been having a small problem with rockbox lately 04.05.52 # <`burns> First I should say that I got an iRiver h320 a few weeks ago 04.06.12 # <`burns> and I've been astonished at what you guys have been able to accomplish. 04.06.41 # yes 04.06.46 # it is amazing 04.06.49 # <`burns> what with rockboy and the other plugins as well as the range of music formats Rockbox supports. 04.07.11 # <`burns> well, as I said, I've been having two problems. 04.07.18 # I have the lowly h10 04.07.25 # <`burns> wait, are you pagefault from ZSNES? 04.07.26 # so it is huge for me 04.07.31 # I get vorbis finally 04.07.59 # yes I am 04.08.26 # <`burns> that's amazing! great program, best emulator ever. 04.08.53 Join akaidiota [0] (i=not@c-4d1d70d5.020-58-6b736411.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 04.09.10 # well I don't know about best 04.09.13 # we try 04.09.47 # JdGordon: oh...you were testing that problem?...if you want, i can test as well...i noticed that off-off didnt shutdown also 04.10.06 # <`burns> only I can't get it to compile on 64-bit Ubuntu...oh well. 04.10.46 # <`burns> Anyway, my first problem is that I get this error: 04.10.58 # whole reason I am in here is so I can get a SPC codec working 04.11.04 # and to just idle 04.11.04 # <`burns> cool 04.11.07 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 04.11.30 # * scorche gazes longingly at pagefault 04.11.37 # <`burns> I40:PDIR1FULL 04.11.41 # <`burns> at 000000001 04.11.49 # it takes time 04.12.02 # it needs to be fast enough to actually run 04.12.03 # `burns: How old/new is your build? 04.12.17 # <`burns> about 10 days 04.12.21 # Try a newer one 04.12.32 # There was a bug relating to that recently, and I think it was fixed. 04.12.56 # plus know nothing about how rockbox works or the h10 or arm is fun too 04.12.57 # <`burns> ok, I will as soon as I can start the vmware image, it takes ages to boot. 04.12.59 # but learning is always good 04.13.02 # <`burns> yes 04.13.10 # <`burns> spc will be great 04.13.15 # amen 04.13.17 Quit daurn|afk (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.13.34 # i'm still trying to pull it off at realtime speed 04.13.39 # it's not going so well 04.13.47 # Even if you don't get it running at full speed, once you've got it running to the point where it decodes accurately, it's always nice to post a patch so that others interested can poke at it too. 04.14.01 # Someone said ZSNES? 04.14.05 # There's a history of drive-by optimizations. 04.14.19 # I might try another SPC emulator that is less accurate but faster 04.14.20 # * XavierGr humbly bows at pagefault!!! 04.14.45 # I only have a h10 to work with 04.15.07 # <`burns> I'd be happy to test on my h320... 04.15.24 # I am not familiar with the specs in that 04.15.24 Join daurn|afk [0] (n=nquae@40.69.240.220.dynamic.dsl.rns01-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) 04.15.28 # <`burns> it uses the "coldfire" processor, I think... 04.15.31 # have you done a patch yet? 04.15.31 # what kind of processor/speed is it 04.15.39 # pagefault: Don't worry if you can't optimize it for hardware other than what you've got. Working C code is the most important thing, and then others can tweak if for hardware they have. :) 04.15.52 # pagefault: 120mhz M68K processor 04.15.53 # <`burns> pagefault: IIRC it's 124 MHz 04.15.59 # Well, 124 04.16.05 # Technically it's 140 but we don't clock it that high 04.16.21 # ah well thats certainly better than my 70mhz ARM 04.16.48 # Well, technically you have two 70mhz ARMs. ;) 04.16.58 # I was under the impression the other core was not active yet 04.17.05 # It's not. But you still have it. 04.17.18 # can I make use of it 04.17.20 # I think the plan is still to have audio decoded on one core, and everything else handled by the other. 04.17.24 # or is it like something that needs major work 04.17.30 # There's some work in progress. 04.17.46 # I can do SPC and DSP on each CPU 04.17.48 # that would work nicely 04.17.50 # Ideally you should just design the codec like normal, and once the architecture's in place the audio thread will handle using it. 04.18.15 # since it is a two piece system 04.18.19 # technically 04.18.48 # I see 04.19.06 # any word on when that dumb library will be implemented 04.19.09 # wow spc on rockbox! 04.19.12 # i'm itching to try some mods and s3m's 04.19.15 # * XavierGr dreams 04.19.27 # pagefault: I think there's a patch with working playback in the tracker, actually 04.19.28 # * XavierGr and apologizes if he is annoying 04.19.32 # I'm not sure if it's fullspeed though 04.19.38 # I got the patch that plays mod 04.19.44 # that works nicely 04.19.48 # but other formats would be nice 04.19.55 # Ah 04.20.03 # Well, I don't know if it's being worked on at the moment 04.20.06 # JdGordon: there? 04.20.16 # yeah not sure either 04.20.21 # it certainly compiles anyway 04.20.26 # it looks like it just needs a codec interface 04.20.35 # JdGordon: well, your posted version doesnt solve the problem 04.20.47 # <`burns> Paul_The_Nerd: I'm currently having a problem with both .mod and .sid playback 04.21.02 # anyway SPC might be a few weeks 04.21.10 # I think I have to rewrite some stuff in ARM assembly 04.21.15 # no offense to the SH guys 04.21.19 # I will get around to you :) 04.21.40 # `burns: What problem do you have? 04.21.42 # I am not satisfied with what gcc produces 04.21.54 # <`burns> Paul_The_Nerd: they play fine, they just keep looping the same song... 04.22.01 # pagefault: so do you have a working base codec (even if not realtime)? 04.22.18 # <`burns> It only occurs with mod and sid, not mp3, wav or ogg 04.22.23 # XavierGr, sort of, it's really hacked in there right now, I hijacked the sid codec to play spc 04.22.29 # it's not pretty 04.22.39 # I just wanted to get it working first then do it properly 04.22.40 # pagefualt: or you could write a spc2wav test plugin to see its speed first 04.22.42 # `burns: With SID that's expected, I believe, because there's no way to tell when they're supposed to end. 04.22.46 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@rn-was1a01.uwaterloo.ca) 04.23.05 # `burns: I'm not sure but that may also be the case with MOD, I'm not familiar with it at all 04.23.35 # <`burns> not for MOD, at least not entirely. 04.23.40 # XavierGr, thats true, libopenspc which I am using comes with a basic spc player that dumps pcm 04.23.50 # I guess I could have the player run that and dump to a file 04.23.53 # and time it 04.24.10 # `burns: What do you mean by "not entirely"? 04.24.17 # <`burns> some songs I believe have a loop-point, but some don't. 04.24.35 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs 04.24.39 # the SPC is fine without interpolation 04.24.43 # it's just when you turn that on 04.24.47 # the player struggles 04.24.54 # `burns: Either way, it's probably just something about the codec. 04.24.55 # and it's really required for proper playback 04.24.59 # <`burns> I guess the mod player is still a work in progress 04.25.39 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.25.50 # well I am without usb cable for now 04.25.56 # so no development for now 04.25.59 # pagefualt there once was a xx2wav plugin 04.26.02 # I forgot it at a friend's place 04.26.04 # stupid me 04.26.04 # maybe you could check it 04.26.44 # <`burns> pagefault: is it some kind of proprietary connector? 04.26.51 # `burns, yeah 04.27.00 # it's not like some standard dc plug 04.27.29 # it does recharging and sync through the same cable 04.27.31 # is what I mean 04.27.51 # <`burns> So does mine, but it's optional. 04.28.02 # ah well you are lucky 04.28.15 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 04.28.15 # I could probably try to make something 04.28.23 # but I am picking it up soon 04.28.27 # so I will be back in business 04.28.48 # <`burns> What I mean is that you can charge through usb or a regular dc cable. 04.28.57 # either 04.29.01 # but it has to be through this cable 04.29.09 # it has a dongle on the side for DC input 04.29.40 # looks a lot like a cell phone connection 04.29.53 # <`burns> hmm...that's weird. Is that common for portable devices? I've never encountered anything like it. 04.30.00 # dunno 04.30.18 # obviously iriver had some other ideas with this series 04.30.25 # I wanted a h320 originally 04.30.29 # but they stopped making them 04.30.46 # pagefault: indeed, you missed all the fun 04.30.49 # H100 rocks too 04.31.00 # stupid iriver 04.31.00 # <`burns> yeah, I got my h320 from amazon brand new 04.31.08 # oh well 04.31.17 # I am happy with this little player now that I have rockbox 04.31.23 # all that is missing is radio 04.31.31 # yeah Rockbox can transform even the worst mp3 players 04.31.34 # :) 04.31.41 # <`burns> can't you still get h100's from misticaudio? 04.31.45 # I think yes 04.31.47 # there is one there 04.31.53 # stupid iriver never supported audible either 04.31.53 # but a little overpriceds 04.31.55 # <`burns> they cost an arm and a leg though I think 04.31.58 # they said they would 04.31.59 # never did 04.32.16 # iriver is all talks and no work 04.32.18 # Yeah, that was irritating 04.32.28 # They claimed they would support Audible on the iFP-700 series. 04.32.34 # however their hardware is top notch 04.32.36 # firmware upgrades were humiliating 04.32.38 # thats why I buy it 04.33.17 # just getting rid of the MTP firmware made it so much better 04.33.19 # now it's a UMS 04.33.20 # ehe 04.33.21 # hehe 04.33.24 # so much better 04.33.36 # pagefualt: iriver put its gravestone with this new strategy they have 04.33.45 # well 04.33.47 # so much better 04.33.49 # MTP sucks ass 04.33.54 # they only release small capacity players 04.33.56 # I can't believe the 20gb has to use it 04.34.31 # instead of releasing an H500 or something they continue to produce mediocre small capacity players 04.34.44 Quit markun (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.44 NSplit orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.34.45 Quit JoeBorn (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit chendo (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit sneakums (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit daven (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit Presence (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit Soap (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit mooch (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit mbr (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit Galois (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit webmind (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.45 Quit lex_ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.34.56 # they are more interested in video stuff now 04.35.00 NHeal orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.35.00 NJoin JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-31-167.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 04.35.00 NJoin chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-98-2.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.35.00 NJoin sneakums [0] (i=sneakums@jenny.ondioline.org) 04.35.00 NJoin daven [0] (n=daven@145.175.adsl.brightview.com) 04.35.00 NJoin markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 04.35.00 NJoin Presence [0] (n=presence@66.239.107.163.ptr.us.xo.net) 04.35.00 NJoin Soap [0] (n=Soap@unaffiliated/s0ap) 04.35.00 NJoin lex_ [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 04.35.00 NJoin webmind [0] (i=webmind@feather.perl6.nl) 04.35.00 NJoin Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 04.35.00 NJoin mooch [0] (n=data@195.60.253.141) 04.35.00 NJoin mbr [0] (n=mb@stz-softwaretechnik.de) 04.35.22 # I really have no desire to watch portable video 04.35.38 # I couldn't watch portable video on anything smaller than say, a PSP screen, I think 04.35.53 # <`burns> wait, what's MTP? region-locked? 04.36.01 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@cpc2-oxfd8-0-0-cust79.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 04.36.12 # i think they deserve a little more credit, they were one of the first to put ogg on a player and they've always had nice designs and feature sets and stuff IMO. 04.36.19 # `burns: Media Transfer Protocol. 04.36.28 # barry wardall is my hero 04.36.34 # Enable ATA poweroff option on H10 for a nice increase in battery life. 04.36.51 # <`burns> Paul_The_Nerd: what's that? 04.36.54 # midkay: If you compare the H120 to the H10 20gb though, there's a significant decrease in anything good. 04.37.00 # i didn't mean at whatever you were saying about "video stuff" but the slightly earlier discussion about how their firmware updates suck and they 04.37.04 # 're all talk and stuff. 04.37.22 # `burns: It requires special drivers (or windows media player) to transfer files to the device, and often requires a database to be constructed on the device to even be able to play music 04.37.33 # <`burns> I see... 04.37.44 # Paul_The_Nerd: well, it's a flash player.. not a big harddrive one.. what 'good' is there missing from it? 04.37.55 # midkay: The H10 20gb is an HD player. All the H10s are 04.38.11 # maybe i'm confused.. 04.38.29 # gn. 04.38.30 # hm* 04.38.34 # The H10jr is the only one in the H10 line that's flash-based 04.38.58 # `burns: It's often contrasted to MSC/UMS, which is just a mass storage device. Your player works entirely like an external HD and requires no drivers on any system that supports them. 04.39.09 # what would you rather have if you had a choice a ipod nano or a h10 04.39.13 # i see.. they don't seem like majorly music players to me. hm. 04.39.18 # since they are almost the same hardware wise 04.39.24 Join midnight1 [0] (n=user@72.11.40.154) 04.39.25 # me? i'd say nano.. 04.39.27 # The Nano, simply because it's flash based. 04.39.35 # oh really 04.39.38 # I thought it had a hd 04.39.41 # Nope 04.39.44 # <`burns> Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, I noticed that. pretty handy feature. 04.39.55 # hrmrmrmrgmrmgmrm 04.40.06 # I have extended warranty on my h10 04.40.08 # Dircache should be removed from Nano builds. 04.40.10 # and if it "breaks" 04.40.16 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders if that will ever happen. 04.40.16 # I get another 04.40.20 # but they don't sell it anymore 04.40.22 # so... 04.40.43 # I wonder 04.40.46 Quit toad (Remote closed the connection) 04.41.08 # They'll probably offer you store credit for the last retail price of the H10 04.41.32 # or give me a nano 04.41.37 # If you're really lucky 04.41.41 # nah 04.41.41 # they will 04.41.45 # Of course, now it's the Nano G2 04.41.46 # I am good at this stuff :) 04.41.49 # Which isn't Rockbox supported at all 04.41.53 # And likely won't be for quite a while 04.41.54 # i'd get an old nano 04.42.08 # midkay: of course iriver is to be credited for players like H100/H300, but after that.... 04.42.21 # XavierGr: i haven't followed them past those... 04.42.43 # midkay: well then yes, iriver was the best DAP company those days 04.42.44 # or ipod mini 04.42.47 # they would probably give me 04.42.49 # maybe 04.42.53 # is crossfade available for the ipod video 04.43.01 # I would demand something that supports the same formats 04.43.15 # Rockbox: Unite the DAPS! :D 04.43.20 # midnight1: yes, it is. 04.44.00 # anyway I like my player 04.44.09 # but I mean if I can get a free upgrade 04.44.14 # depends what it will be 04.44.14 # how does it work 04.45.07 # midnight1: Um... it's crossfade. Do you want a technical description, or are you not familiar with the term, or what exactly are you asking? 04.45.13 # oh they have the archos 04.45.17 # are those things any good 04.45.25 # There's a lot of Archos players 04.45.36 # None of the currently manufactured ones run Rockbox, at all. 04.45.45 # oh 04.45.58 # how do u put rockbox on your ipod and can display album art 04.46.22 # I guess I better hold onto this thing then 04.46.32 # midnight1: Follow the installation instructions, but Album Art isn't a feature of the official rockbox build 04.46.54 Join SkeXis [0] (n=SkeXis@c-68-49-178-168.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 04.47.21 # will it be avaible eventually? 04.47.41 # Probably 04.48.02 # and I assume the zen's are hopeless to ever support rockbox 04.48.03 Quit Sinbios (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.48.23 # Why do you assume that? 04.48.38 # If a player is firmware updgradeable, it's not hopeless. 04.48.39 # I was under the impression they couldn't be upgraded at all 04.48.51 # There aren't official firmware updates? 04.48.59 # well I don't know for sure 04.49.11 # but I know when I was shopping around a year ago it wasn't the case 04.49.13 # no idea about now 04.49.56 # let me go find out 04.49.58 # I used to have a zen, I'm fairly sure there were updates available 04.50.14 Join kurbjunk [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-67-176-4-27.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 04.50.25 # I was always mad at players that didn't let me remove the battery 04.51.20 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.51.27 # if it needs another battery it's an easy thing to swap 04.51.34 # if it's hardwired into it it's not so easy 04.51.47 # Like the iPods with the batteries soldered to the board? 04.51.52 # yeah 04.51.59 # Though I've only heard that about the Nano 04.52.05 # thats pretty much sold me on the h10 04.52.07 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@rn-was1a01.uwaterloo.ca) 04.52.11 Join toad [0] (n=toad@gob75-5-82-231-180-120.fbx.proxad.net) 04.52.11 # I could remove the battery 04.52.14 # and it was iriver 04.52.51 # man, I have no idea how I would even reboot this thing if I couldn't take out the battery 04.52.57 # I do it like 50 times a day I think 04.54.11 # <`burns> crap 04.54.26 # <`burns> ubuntu upgraded my kernel, and now vmware doesn't work 04.54.28 # (I don't write very nice code for rockbox obviously) 04.58.32 # scorche: still around? 04.59.35 Join vertic420 [0] (i=bla@dslb-084-056-239-133.pools.arcor-ip.net) 05.00.07 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.00.26 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 05.01.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@AC9E294B.ipt.aol.com) 05.05.34 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.08.03 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.08.04 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.09.06 # <`burns> ok, vmware is working again...I just had to rebuild the modules against the current kernel source. 05.09.12 # <`burns> bye... 05.09.15 Part `burns ("Leaving") 05.13.59 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.16.23 Quit vertic23 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.19.52 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 05.20.02 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDFFB.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.21.11 Quit damaki_ (Excess Flood) 05.21.56 Quit SkeXis ("Leaving") 05.21.56 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-12-211.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 05.22.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.22.30 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.22.33 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 05.24.04 Join z35 [0] (n=z@adsl-226-227-239.dab.bellsouth.net) 05.27.26 Quit toad (Nick collision from services.) 05.27.28 Join toad_ [0] (n=toad@gob75-5-82-231-180-120.fbx.proxad.net) 05.38.41 Quit pagefault (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.39.59 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.51.08 Part Paul_The_Nerd 06.00.08 Join kwk [0] (n=kkurbjun@c-24-8-105-198.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 06.06.16 # JdGordon: am now 06.07.20 Nick kwk is now known as kkurbjun (n=kkurbjun@c-24-8-105-198.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 06.08.50 Quit Sinbios (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.08.56 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@rn-was1a01.uwaterloo.ca) 06.09.33 Quit Sinbios (Client Quit) 06.09.46 Quit midnight1 () 06.17.26 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.18.23 Quit kurbjunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.22.18 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181108200.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.28.13 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@rn-was1a01.uwaterloo.ca) 06.35.38 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 06.45.36 # scorche: im back 06.45.50 # as am i 06.46.06 # yay 06.46.12 # the shutdown fix doesnt work? 06.46.18 # correct 06.46.33 # whats the problem? 06.47.41 # well, intended behavior is to press off twice from the browser when music isnt playing to turn off the device safely 06.48.28 # first press puts a dialog box up that says "Press OFF to shut dowm" 06.48.40 # then once more while that box is up will shut down the device 06.48.48 # instead, it just clears the box 06.49.59 # i would have reported it sooner, but i have been busy testing stuff on my new nano and havent bothered to play with my archos recently 06.52.50 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzz") 06.53.52 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 06.55.17 # scorche: ok, ill try and get that fixed now 06.55.30 # alright...let me know when i can test 06.55.31 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.55.32 # * JdGordon is having fun modding a old latop into a digital photo frame :D 06.55.39 # fun! 06.55.44 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 06.55.44 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 06.56.03 # i suggest putting a wifi card in it ;) 06.56.08 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.56.09 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 06.56.11 # yup, gonna get one 06.56.19 # all the fotos are going to come off my server 06.56.38 # lappy has no usb ports, so no fun stuff like copying fotos off mem cards automatically 06.57.01 # can have it update automatically from the wireless connection though 06.57.19 # ye 06.57.29 Join RockNewb [0] (i=8a8279d6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 06.57.37 # same thing, except you get to sit down at your desk and do it 06.58.07 # hey does anyone know how i can watch movies in rockbox? 06.58.46 # RockNewb: go to the wiki page "PluginMpegplayer" 06.59.10 # thank you 07.01.55 # ok can someone tell me, is MPEG MPEG-1? 07.02.08 # read the page... 07.02.19 # i did 07.03.05 # ok so i still have to convert movies to be able to watch it in rockbox yea? 07.03.45 # "It is currently capable of playing back MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video streams." Second line 07.03.58 # and yes you do 07.04.28 # "MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video is encoded using blocks of 16x16 pixels so you should encode your files to a multiple of 16x16. " a bit further down... 07.05.21 # ok well i have a video called MPEG video, does that mean its MPEG-1? 07.05.44 # check its properties... 07.06.21 # Type of File: MPEG video 07.07.26 # so will rockbox be able to play it? 07.08.01 # you are still going to have to convert it 07.08.11 # to extract the video and resize it 07.08.39 # oh ok thanks 07.08.59 # one more question : where do i find my music and play it? 07.09.16 # where did you load your music? 07.10.09 # on itunes 07.10.22 # then see the wiki page on tagcache 07.10.38 # ok 07.12.16 Join Ribs3 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 07.19.11 Quit Ribs2 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.22.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.26.41 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.33.06 Quit Ribs3 ("eh eh ehhhh!") 07.43.04 Join mordov [0] (n=mordov@mail.furuno.no) 07.56.07 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 07.56.26 Quit Davide-NYC (Client Quit) 08.04.34 Join midgey34_ [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 08.04.35 Quit midgey34 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.05.40 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 08.08.43 Quit newbyx86 ("I LOVE CLOUDS") 08.10.16 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-14-7.sd.sd.cox.net) 08.17.32 Quit RockNewb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.18.03 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-118-183.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.19.54 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.20.07 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.20.43 Quit gtkspert ("leaving") 08.20.52 # JdGordon: Just checking out the menu patch today, I think it has some kind of threading issue. CPU was constantly boosted, and the codec thread was being starved. 08.21.25 # hmm.... oddd... that sux tho 08.22.11 # I'll try to confirm it by running CVS and see what happens. 08.22.25 # ta 08.23.16 # By the way, in the cpu frequency part of the debug menu, is it normal to ever have boost count above 1? 08.23.37 # i dont know about normal... but it is possible... 08.28.04 # it's normal 08.28.18 # that's why it is a count and not a flag 08.29.07 # Ok, and the irivers shouldn't be boosting constantly on 192kbps VBR mp3 should they? 08.29.17 # no 08.29.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DynamicCPUFrequency 08.30.52 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-36-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 08.31.56 # Ok, sorry to say, but it's definitely the patch Jd. 08.33.05 # ok 08.33.26 # is it accessing the disc while its boosted? 08.33.54 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 08.34.22 # I didn't notice the disk activity, I'll reload the patched FW and check 08.38.50 # JdGordon: Disk access isn't constant. 08.39.33 # He-he. After having used nimbus-19 on my H-120 for some time, I shortly switched to nimbus-14. And could hardly read anything! And immediately switched back to nimbus-19! :-) 08.41.46 Join pike [0] (i=amiga@c83-249-120-24.bredband.comhem.se) 08.41.54 # aliask: ok, thanks, i probably forgot an unboost somewhere :p 08.42.08 Nick pike is now known as pike2k (i=amiga@c83-249-120-24.bredband.comhem.se) 08.42.48 Part pike2k 08.44.55 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.46.58 # So please include nimbus-19 into the official font package! 08.50.53 # webguest20: where is nimbus-19? 08.53.32 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 08.53.33 # LinusN: there is a patch in FS. #5967. 08.53.39 # aha 08.54.05 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 08.56.40 # linuxstb: Have you noticed that Barry has updated http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/H10_CPU_freq.txt ? Maybe there is something new to help solve the crashing/freezing? 09.01.23 Part nave7693 09.02.41 Quit webguest98 ("CGI:IRC") 09.02.51 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.03.25 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 09.04.29 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 09.09.29 # now finally we have proof of own code running on the sansa 09.09.46 # * LinusN does the sansa dance 09.09.54 # hurrah 09.10.11 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 09.10.45 # Bagder: also, on the maling list message page (viewing the actual message), it is not yet converted over to the new sidebar 09.10.57 # ok 09.11.39 # Bagder: could you update the rockbox front page so say that the nano 2nd gen is not sopported? 09.11.56 # and video 5.5 I guess 09.12.53 Join webguest24 [0] (i=c0647cda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.13.15 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.13.42 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181072250.adsl.alicedsl.de) 09.15.15 # fixed both issues 09.16.13 # Bagder: what is the new accomplishment with sansa? 09.16.29 # wow...word gets around fast... 09.16.37 # Has the problem where daily builds contain no plugins been resolved? 09.16.38 # Peter Praest has made the scroll wheel glow 09.16.47 # Nice! 09.16.58 # Bagder: thanks 09.20.11 # uh 09.20.15 # general music question 09.20.26 # how can i convert wma to mp3 without ANY loss? 09.20.34 # you cannot 09.20.36 # you dont 09.20.50 # lossy compressions are... lossy 09.21.29 Quit damaki_ (Excess Flood) 09.22.15 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-12-211.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.22.15 # even if you make the mp3 something like 512kbps? 09.22.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.22.29 # yes 09.22.34 # if that were possible 09.26.08 # you'd have to convert to a format like flac to avoid further loss, but the files would be pretty large 09.26.41 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 09.27.08 # Would anyone object if I commited a patch to allow access to sensible options in the debug menu on simulators? 09.27.41 # i won't 09.27.46 # I'm finding it useful to view the audio thread and tagcache status. 09.27.52 # do it 09.28.03 # Bagder, while you are at it. It looks like there is an extra

next to the Tracker submenu entry in the wiki page 09.28.04 # OK... 09.28.05 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.28.14 # tucoz: yes 09.28.24 # the wiki mysteriously adds

tags 09.28.27 # aha 09.28.30 # ok 09.28.55 # I'm trying to solve it my staring at it very angrily 09.28.58 # hehe 09.29.02 # s/my/by 09.29.22 # maybe you have the --add-mysterious-p-tag flag set? 09.29.47 # you think that is related? ;-P 09.30.36 # ;) 09.31.06 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 09.31.47 # Is it intentional (screen width saving) or just "not easy" that the tracker pages don't have the left side menu? 09.32.10 # I don't know 09.32.34 # Zagor did that part 09.32.57 # It's always annoyed me slightly... just very very slightly... 09.33.11 # yeah, I agree 09.33.22 # Almost as much as the number of "iPod freezing" bug reports. 09.33.37 # Enough already! We know about it! 09.34.29 # Bagder, http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HowAreParagraphsGeneratedInTWikiCode 09.35.13 # According to this page, apple are calling the new 5gs "Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006)" - http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 09.36.09 # Oops, I broke it 09.36.37 # Weird, I tried an Archos recorder test build... 09.37.07 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 09.37.18 # And an H300 device build 09.37.39 # heh, there is a latex plugin for twiki. http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HowAreParagraphsGeneratedInTWikiCode 09.37.44 # http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/GenPDFLatexAddOn 09.39.08 # Oops. typed make into the wrong window I guess.... fixage coming 09.46.32 # Bagder, without seeing the code for the wiki, but in the source code from the web page, i notice an empty line right under the forum link, and twiki adds a paragraph when it finds an empty line. 09.47.08 # hmm. sorry 09.47.09 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.48.00 # actually. that could be it. In the front page source code, there is an empty line there. And in the wiki page source code, there is a

09.52.15 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-7-208.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 09.52.41 # linuxstb: I put in endianess awareness in all the encoders 09.54.10 # jhMikeS: Niceness. 09.54.41 # hi jhMikeS 09.54.45 # amiconn: hello 09.54.53 # linuxstb: not a lot to do really 09.55.21 # I found something regarding the iriver freeze at 11025. Looks like it's a hardware bug: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/MCF5249E.pdf 09.55.23 # but mp3_enc would need a test cause I'm not positive 09.55.26 # Check Errata #1 ... 09.56.16 # amiconn: I think we can use a different approach though and use the WSI clock and no master mode. The x5 88.2 monitoring problem is gone after always using slave mode on the tlv. 09.56.46 # I'll give it a read right now though 10.00.26 # It's funny though, the datasheet itself shows for CRSEL 0=Fxtal, 1=Fxtal/2 but the chart on p. 4-3 shows the opposite. 10.02.06 # For the 5250 the first chart is correct but the second looks goofed 10.03.29 # And what do those dividers have to do with the PLL if they're sources come off the crystal directly? The functional diagram seems a bit odd a well for both coldfires. :-/ 10.03.37 Quit mordov (Remote closed the connection) 10.05.26 # Given that, hopefully the slave mode approach will work for the uda 10.06.09 # i believe it should 10.08.43 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-227-213.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 10.11.51 # I still have an occasional glitch of the tlv not seeming to switch correctly and it seems to happen at random but early (maybe when drive is still spinning). Could something else writing or reading i2c mess up communication? 10.12.12 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 10.15.06 # The datasheets are _very_ confusing regarding CRSEL :/ 10.15.36 # amiconn: heh! no doubt 10.15.50 # incredibly confusing 10.16.07 # Both the MCF5249 and the SCF5250 datasheet say CRSEL==1 means FXTAL and CRSEL==0 in section 4.3, and the opposite in section 4.2 10.16.29 # ...both in the note regarding CRSEL and the table listing CLSEL (except for MCF5249) 10.16.39 # amiconn: can an isr say communicating with the pcf interrupt a read or write to the tlv registers? 10.18.21 # Rockbox sets CRSEL=1 for 5249, and CRSEL=0 for 5250 ... 10.19.31 # jhMikeS: I didn't check, but iirc you _must not_ do i2c communication (except to/from the pcf, which is specially protected) from within an isr 10.19.46 # 4-2 and 4-3 contradict for 5249. Experiments on the x5 showed CRSEL=1 to render Fxtal/2 but table 4-3 shows CRsel=1 for CRIN/1 10.20.06 # x5 is 5250 10.20.26 # I know that :) But I was just saying what I confirmed about it. 10.21.02 # * amiconn thinks the only really reliable way to find out would be to hook up some measuring equipment and test 10.21.32 # Why is the pcf specially protected and others not? I do reading/writen in the ONKEY1S which shared the same priority with the adc reading with does it too. 10.21.43 # The whole CRSEL/CLSEL/AUDIOSEL thing is incredibly fishy 10.22.35 # I set CRSEL to 1 and it played an octave lower and half speed so my measuring eq was my ear. :) 10.23.28 # jhMikeS: If you want to do i2c from within an isr, you have to make sure that such an isr can't break into an i2c communication from non-isr code => 10.23.47 # you need to disable interrupts before doing i2c 10.23.48 # If things aren't working right the sounds from aliasing and such are very obvious 10.24.23 # This is quite costly, and hence only done for pcf i2c 10.24.38 # The only other interrupt using i2c was the button tick task (LinusN said) and both share the same priority so they won't interrupt one another. 10.25.07 # No, but your isr may break into i2c communication from _non-isr_ code 10.25.34 # The tlv i2c is separate from the pcf i2c 10.25.43 # Not if you disable interrupts as you said. You get a logical mutex from that. 10.26.08 # I doubt the code normally accessing the tlv disables interrupts 10.26.18 # Ahhh...anything else share the tlv i2c? 10.26.46 # Just changing volume is enough... 10.26.57 # No calls nor internal code for the tlv do nor for the uda anywhere I know about. 10.28.21 # I meant does any other chip share the tlv's i2c physically or does it have it's own. 10.28.44 # Hmm, maybe I misunderstood what you said... 10.30.21 # Does something share the tlv i2c that could interrupt and mess it up? 10.31.00 Quit dpro (Connection timed out) 10.31.44 # The problem seems to occur early but irregularly shortly after booting and going into recording. Leaving recording and coming back clears it up. 10.33.16 # * LinusN filed a support request to Freescale regarding the MCLK setup 10.33.57 # some isr might have nothing to do with it because using the recording menu from the screen doesn't clear it. :-/ 10.34.46 # * jhMikeS figured it out on the x5 so that leaves 5249 only. 10.34.47 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3022.gwdg.de) 10.35.05 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 10.35.37 # I think we need a prio boost for the pcmrec thread though...88.2 wavpack flushing gets behind and it buggers out. 10.37.46 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@cor8-ppp2595.for.dsl.connect.net.au) 10.39.32 # Hrm... I'm not sure I agree with bluebrother on the EQ preset thing 10.39.39 # I was thinking about comitting those 10.40.47 # if so manu people are asking about presets, why not have some? 10.41.06 # clueful people won't use them anyway 10.41.29 Quit barrywardell () 10.41.41 # i think we should add them 10.41.47 # but that's me 10.41.55 # It's not like they take up much space on disk or in the image 10.42.00 # exactly 10.42.08 # anyway, I need to look at them some more first 10.43.18 # and perhaps the clueless will use them as a starting point on their journey to cluefulness 10.44.08 # exactly 10.45.10 # "The input to the PLL is either the crystal clock, or the crystal clock divided by two. Selection is done by CRSEL"...hmmm...but...that diagram doesn't show that clearly. (Am I getting repetitive?) In fact it shows that /4 doesn't have anything to do with the pll except the register for config if I understand. 10.46.53 # Do I have a clue if I use my own preset? 10.50.26 Join psiborg [0] (n=psiborg@flits103-221.flits.rug.nl) 10.50.37 # jhMikeS, only if it's .rockbox/eqs/clue.cfg 10.51.56 # add a jhMikeS-clue.cfg then =:-) 10.53.01 # safetydan: just remember to make sure buildzip.pl includes them in the zip 10.54.13 # Bagder, did you try my suggestion? 10.54.45 # no 10.54.51 # no time for that now 10.54.53 # ok 10.55.10 # no problem 11.04.28 # Are ICODE_ATTR functions not allow in codecs or something? I change one to that in wavpack_enc and the encoder bombs out. 11.04.36 # I've read the logs, but am still not sure - what's the current status of the iPod CPU speed crash? 11.05.31 # jhMikeS: You need to add the memcpy/memset lines that initialise the IRAM when the codec is started. See the decoder codecs for details. 11.06.08 # ahh...what's the easiest one to get through? 11.06.38 # pondlife: It still crashes... hcs's last patch works fine for both him and me, but someone has reported that his mini still crashes with that patch. 11.06.50 # (1st gen mini - 2nd gen uses PP5022 and is not affected by the problem) 11.07.42 # Is it too experimental still for committing? i.e. it fixes some cases perhaps, at least... 11.07.46 # jhMikeS: Just look in mpa.c and search for USE_IRAM 11.08.01 # ok thanks 11.08.03 # or wavpack.c, or... 11.08.34 # It's just 7 lines in total (excluding the #ifdef/#endif), 5 declarations an 2 calls 11.08.34 # this does it for functions? mp3_enc.c does it for data 11.08.46 # It does it for all iram 11.09.06 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 11.09.29 # pondlife: It changes the behaviour a lot - switching from 24MHz to 75MHz instead of 30MHz and 75MHz. hcs seems very motivated to get a working solution, so I'm happy to wait for a final patch. 11.09.46 # OK, sounds sensible. 11.10.40 # Although I quite like lowering the low frequency to 24MHz - my FLAC files don't boost there. 11.11.06 # And I don't think 30MHz was chosen for any scientific reason... 11.11.31 # How bad does the battery life get if you're always boosted to 75Mhz? 11.12.13 # I just copied the declarations and the memcpys from the other ones...that's enough then? 11.13.49 # And do we know that no freezes occur if CPU frequency scaling is disabled? 11.13.50 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.14.11 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@208-110-158-224.customer.csolutions.net) 11.14.55 # That seems to be what people report in the forums - either disabling it in the build, or using the debug menu to manually increase the boost counter, so it never unboosts. 11.15.33 # is there any particular order things must be in? 11.16.42 # Will the voice code handle recording codecs using IRAM? 11.17.05 # I see the IBSS_ATTR stuff before the iramcopy stuff always... 11.17.54 # linuxstb: what do you mean handle? There's nothing really special about them over decoders. 11.18.49 # The voice codec needs IRAM, so it swaps itself with the playback codec if audio is playing. I'm just wondering if this is hard-coded to playback, or if it will work with recording as well. 11.21.00 # It swap IRAM out too 11.22.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.22.33 Join bluebrother [0] (i=lgRSgyin@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.24.35 # still now working 11.29.14 # works fine for mp3_enc though. hmm 11.32.42 # hrm... my perl is very rusty 11.33.26 Quit nudelyn ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 11.33.43 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC") 11.35.24 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 11.36.56 Quit danimo (Remote closed the connection) 11.40.38 # linuxstb: If the encoders work in combination with voice right now, they should continue to work when using iram. Codec swap includes both iram and dram 11.40.46 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-105-213.dslaccess.co.uk) 11.41.04 # jhMikeS: [11:17:06] I see the IBSS_ATTR stuff before the iramcopy stuff always... <= example? 11.41.36 # mp3_enc is the other way around but still works 11.42.31 # I can't see where mp3_enc is the other way round... 11.43.02 # The necessary memcpy + memset are the first things done in codec_start 11.43.28 # yes...but the IBSS stuff is after the iramcopy[] stuff instead of before 11.43.49 # ? 11.44.39 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 11.45.11 # I mean the order of declaration not operation :) 11.46.04 # The order of declaration is irrelevant 11.46.13 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 11.47.05 # There'd be an error if the section were full right? 11.50.57 # There should be. 11.51.51 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-226-213-147.tukw.qwest.net) 11.52.43 # I wonder if having ci as IBSS_ATTR would do something if it's initialized before the memcpy 11.53.45 # Yes, that's not good... 11.54.20 # probably it...just use api->memcpy then init 11.54.48 Quit toad_ (Nick collision from services.) 11.54.53 Join toad__ [0] (n=toad@gob75-5-82-231-180-120.fbx.proxad.net) 11.56.22 # yup that fixed it 11.58.31 # wavpack still can't keep up at 88.2 but it took longer... 11.58.37 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 11.59.45 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6a1.e.strato-dslnet.de) 12.00.37 # Why would you put ci in iram? 12.00.58 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 12.01.52 # Whatever is accessed a lot during speed runs 12.04.01 # i hardly think it'd matter much 12.04.48 # I did put the frame encoding in its own function in iram though...out of codec_start 12.04.57 # for mp3 12.05.53 # Can't we just make the WavPack lib deal with 16 bit samples instead of having to convert everything in a buffer first? 12.07.04 # does anyone have any ideas how to trace a unmatched cpu_boost(true) call? 12.07.19 # jhMikeS: what do you mean deal with sixteen bit samples? 12.07.29 # oh right, the encoder 12.07.41 # well, if we ever add 20 bit recording... 12.09.22 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.09.47 # preglow: everything must be sign extended to 32-bit first then packed 12.09.58 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.10.14 # or does it? It would be good to avoid that I think 12.10.40 # i don't really know what the encoders do yet 12.10.52 # encode! :) 12.10.57 # heh 12.11.52 Quit petur ("poof") 12.12.35 # eq presets 12.12.35 # ! 12.12.40 # that reminds me i've got a small eq commit pending 12.12.50 # hmmm...I don't thing the decoder is doing that though 12.13.07 # aliask: i got a problem... my changed code never calls cpu_boost... so i have no idea why its staying boosted.. but it definatly is.. the count is @ 2 on my h300 now 12.13.55 # I know, I grep'd the patch, and didn't find anything - could it be to do with threads? 12.14.14 # pondlife: to answer you question froom yesterday: the playback issues (noise on trachtransition etc) can also be reproduced in the uisimulator. 12.14.23 # Like priority, which may be hogging thread time, thus causing another thread to call CPU_BOOST 12.14.29 # i dunno... doing a search of /apps/*.c every boost call is matched, which makes it very odd 12.14.56 # Slasheri: does the scedular boost the cpu ever? 12.15.06 # PaulJam: Great 12.15.15 # Default settings was it? 12.15.25 # JdGordon: Easier way was to just search the .patch file. 12.15.32 # pondlife: default settings, only repeat set to off 12.15.34 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 12.15.50 # I have been trying but still can't repro 12.16.04 # jhMikeS: I wouldn't want the encoders hard-coded to 16-bit any more than they already are - adding 20/24-bit recording to ipods is definitely something I would like to do. 12.16.16 # deed 12.16.34 # preglow: can the dsp to be set to something other than 44100? 12.16.48 # jhMikeS: hmm, sure 12.17.00 # I wouldn't hard code it but specialize it on the fly 12.17.01 # pondlife: you need to play the first album without interacting (skipping etc) then it works for me everytime (i have only tried mp3) 12.17.01 # aliask: you said this arvo when u found the bug that one of the threads was never getting run.. how could you tell? 12.17.12 # jhMikeS: in most cases it's just a matter of settings the sample rate variables to something else, then resetting all internal stuff 12.17.27 # crossfeed won't work prime under anything other than 44.1khz, though 12.17.47 # JdGordon: Audio thread debug screen showed that the codec level was really really low constantly, and I'd even get gaps in playback occaisionally. 12.18.00 # ah ok 12.18.05 # OK, I think I've done that , but will try again and resist temptation to skip the bad tracks 12.18.41 # preglow: hmmm...I was thing native freq could vary. I'm thinking 11,22,44,88 on cf <= use the closest one >= to the file rate 12.19.11 # jdgordon: I made a useful patch to track CPU boosting... 12.19.22 # JdGordon: nope, scheduler does not know the cpu boost status 12.19.34 # STATE_BLOCKED_W_TMO <- does this state mean the thread called sleep() ? and STATE_BLOCKED means the thread yielded? 12.19.41 # pondlife: oohh... can i see? 12.19.44 # jhMikeS: closest one bigger than or equal to the file rate, anyway 12.19.45 # i have tried some sort of autoboosting but not with very good results 12.19.52 # JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6033 12.20.04 # But it needs a bit of syncing to CVS I expect 12.20.05 # JdGordon: no 12.20.05 # Slasheri: hmm.. ok 12.20.07 # Not hard 12.20.23 # preglow: that what I meant...unless it's 96k or something when hw doesn't support it. 12.20.28 # JdGordon: BLOCKED_W_TMO, thread is sleeping and will be woken up by an external event or timeout 12.20.39 # preglow: why is crossfeed so important to run a 44100? 12.20.42 # JdGordon: BLOCKED, thread is sleeping and will be woken only by an external event 12.20.48 # jhMikeS: but sure, i can see no reason at all not to change the actual sample rate 12.20.53 # jhMikeS: it uses a delay line with a fixed length 12.20.53 # JdGordon: RUNNING: thread is yielding 12.21.20 # Can we vary it proportional to f? 12.21.29 # Slasheri: ah, ok ta 12.21.40 Quit SereR0kR () 12.21.46 # jhMikeS: we can, yes, but we'll need to allocate a maximum in the crossfeed struct, and i'll need to modify the assembler routines to not hardcode it 12.21.49 # the last will be a bitch for arm 12.22.13 # Silly question.. What's the *nix equivalent of MORE to allow console output one page at a time? 12.22.17 # i long since ran out of registers to use in arm crossfeed 12.22.24 # pondlife: more or less 12.22.54 # Hmm, my Cygwin install lacks more 12.22.59 # pondlife: most people prefer less, i think 12.23.04 # at least i do 12.23.11 # ahhh...Well I only have switching on x5 and iRiver to a max of 88.2...as for arm I'm clueless so it could stay the same for any other. I'll wait till my recording had matured through. 12.23.19 # Ah, yes less works 12.23.28 # jhMikeS: nah, it needs to be dealt with sooner or later anyway 12.23.29 Join barrywardell [0] (i=892b7a86@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 12.23.29 # Thanks 12.23.54 # i just have to make myself look at the asm long enough to see where i can squeeze out a new register 12.24.09 # I want to finish this project...I'm very busy on it working my butt off...quality can't suffer. 12.24.47 # :) 12.25.59 # the settings will sound different for different sample rates, though 12.26.19 # unless i implement fractional delays, and then i'll surely be swamped with missing registers 12.27.18 # Linear int from 11 to 44 gets a lot of crusty overtones. =:-) 12.27.41 # "wow" 12.28.02 # but yes, we'll need a better resampler some day 12.28.21 # which probably won't happen anytime soon if i have to be the one to make it 12.28.37 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 12.28.45 # Now doom can play directly at 11 and sounds pretty good considering 12.28.55 # jhMikeS: do you know how hard it would be to export recording to plugins, btw? just a simple callback type thing passing data whenever it's ready 12.29.58 # It could be done in theory...as long as you implement the interface. It is more complicated now with the delay file starts and such but more powerful. 12.30.27 # The mp3 encoder insert the silent delay samples and padding at splits as it should. 12.30.45 # nothing like that will be needed, just passing data from the adc to a buffer is all i need 12.31.55 # You could implement a stream that looks like file apis that write to a buffer. 12.32.42 # shruggage 12.32.57 # The codecs call write and such now. I may even have them open and close the file itself. I'm not sure if your talking about using the codecs in plugins or not though. 12.33.11 # just wondering how hard it would be to implement. something exactly like this is already in there for playback, so i'm just missing the recording part before i can do my full duplex audio effect shiznit thing 12.33.15 # heh 12.34.01 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@cor8-ppp2595.for.dsl.connect.net.au) 12.34.09 # Full duplex audio effects? 12.34.36 # * amiconn would like a better working resampler :/ 12.34.54 # i wouldn't 12.34.57 # you're talking about using the codecs though right? 12.35.02 # jhMikeS: nope 12.35.04 # ok 12.35.29 # jhMikeS: just plain simple pcm from adc delivered to a plugin in a buffer 12.35.42 # so that i can process it and spit it right out again 12.36.15 # ahhh...hmmm....I see the possibilites :) 12.38.06 # Stomp box 12.38.08 # If I implemented just the pcm buffer part then you really don't need the recording interface itself used by the screen. Youd just use the DMA and a FIFO I suppose. 12.38.40 # yup 12.38.42 # should be enough 12.39.21 # Guitar effects...vocoder...etc.etc. 12.39.25 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 12.39.36 # indeeds 12.39.51 # would be fun to see how much i can squeeze out of my poor old h120 12.40.21 # I'll think about that...needs a wee little splitting off but not much I think. 12.40.34 # no rush, prolly won't have time to do much for a while anyway 12.41.24 # btw, do anyone here have the capability to record spdif? 12.41.30 # to wavs, that is 12.42.04 # i'd be quite interested in some samples on how iriver does the resampling 12.42.19 # i've already got a rough guess, but some actual samples would be nice 12.44.01 # spdif - you mean optical? 12.44.04 # yea 12.44.13 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.44.23 # i probably can, i'd just need to buy the cable 12.44.33 # no biggie, i'm sure someone's already got a cable 12.45.13 # aliask: i just set setting reset/load/save code to all boost while they are working and it seems to have fixed it.. ?! 12.45.30 # preglow: the peakmeters could take refresh of thousands of time a second now...I think you asked about that. 12.45.35 # Well if it fixed it... 12.46.03 # or maybe not.. it didnt resume on startup so ignore that :p 12.46.40 # jhMikeS: cool 12.46.42 # well, if you don't find anybody, i can go buy that cable 12.46.43 # Heh ok. 12.47.12 # nope.. something is wrong with the audio thread.. 12.47.27 # the resolution is 16 bytes 12.47.36 # as soon as playback starts boost goes to 2 and codec thread gets starved 12.49.29 Quit PaulJam (".") 12.52.00 # :'( i give up! 12.52.57 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 12.54.00 # can we set other priorities than the defined ones or must they be only those? 12.54.12 # for threads that is 12.54.20 # jhMikeS: use the defined ones + or - a few 12.55.04 # WavPack at 88.2 can't flush right with total boost 12.55.09 # PRIORITY_BACKGROUND + 4 for a really really low brority 12.56.18 # Does priority x mean it gets scheduled every x rounds? 12.56.34 # havta ask Slasheri about that 13.00.18 # it uses relative priorities, so how often it gets scheduled depends on the other threads' priorities 13.00.54 # guess I have to actually have a close look at it sometime 13.01.04 # you should never depend on any scheduling pattern anyway 13.01.10 # just that it gets scheduled often enough 13.01.33 # Slasheri: you should update http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxKernel 13.01.40 # I wonder if pcmrec does at when it really needs to get ahead 13.02.24 # LinusN: ah, i will do 13.03.58 # jhMikeS: currently it means that thread will be excecuted when its last excecution time is greater than 1/8*priority seconds 13.04.41 # why shouldn't set_thread_priority return the last one so you can say bump and restore? 13.05.12 # good idea 13.05.23 # hmm, indeed 13.05.37 # I still want a get_current_thread! :) 13.05.53 # for what? 13.06.39 # For whenever you need the current thread but don't have an id handy 13.06.47 # jhMikeS: but you always know the current running thread, don't you? 13.07.19 # Not if I need to pass it to something else. What's that, like a line or two to implement? 13.07.50 # I know you have NULL and that's definitely convenient too 13.08.20 # jhMikeS: no need to implement something until it is needed 13.08.47 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.38.112) 13.08.50 # generally speaking 13.09.42 # but i agree that it would be a nice thing to have 13.09.46 # True, but it won't be linked in if it's not right? and it's potentially useful 13.09.49 # Here: 13.09.50 # struct thread_entry * get_current_thread(void) 13.09.50 # { 13.09.50 DBUG Enqueued KICK jhMikeS 13.09.50 # return cores[CURRENT_CORE].running; 13.09.50 # } 13.10.02 # especially when you want to implement mutex ownership 13.10.20 # it will be linked in even if it isn't used 13.10.52 # why...gcc doesn't have the equivalent of COMDATs or such? 13.10.52 # the linker granularity is on object files 13.10.53 Quit ALEXWASTE (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.11.02 # preglow: You need spdif recordings of what your resampler spits out? 13.11.12 # amiconn: of what the iriver resampler spits out 13.11.22 # OF? 13.11.22 # jhMikeS: you can make gcc put each function in a separate section 13.11.28 # i know what my "resampler" spits out, hhe 13.11.29 # amiconn: yup 13.11.31 # ech 13.11.38 # jhMikeS: and let the linker weed out the unused functions 13.11.46 # amiconn: i think the of resampler is pretty decent and want to see exactly what they're doing 13.11.53 # Hmm, maybe I should try to get mas pcm recording going... then I could do such things 13.12.00 # heh 13.12.11 # I think MS C++ does that. Does that make it slow? 13.12.25 Join MrXtreme [0] (i=apotheos@69-169-244-223.agstme.adelphia.net) 13.12.29 # jhMikeS: who said anything about being slow? 13.12.55 # The gcc man page says function-sections create larger and slower code... 13.12.56 # It seems a good think not to link unused stuff, no? 13.13.00 Part MrXtreme 13.13.02 # ah 13.13.03 # preglow: No, really 13.13.26 # amiconn: no, really, what? 13.13.44 # Once mas pcm recording is working, the only other thing I need to do such recordings is an optical->coax converter - and I already built one 13.14.44 # amiconn: I dispensed with the cfg files for codec...was pretty easy but have to do a little conversion between global and encoder versions until we get the real values stuff. 13.15.18 # It's still almost as self-contained though as it was 13.16.18 Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection) 13.17.16 # i should whip together a couple of quick wavs for some people to try out for me 13.17.51 # OF _does_ support wav, yes? 13.18.07 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 13.18.45 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.38.112) 13.18.47 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 13.18.47 # * amiconn doesn't know 13.18.58 # All I did in the H1x0 OF was playing 1..2 mp3s 13.19.10 # ...months ago 13.20.30 # preglow: yes, it supports WAV, MP3, OGG, and WMA 13.21.09 # preglow, are you talking about recording? 13.21.47 # I think the h1x0 records both wav and mp3, but the h3x0 only records to mp3. 13.22.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.22.32 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181072250.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.23.29 # safetydan: i'm talking about spdif recording some results from the iriver firmware 13.23.41 # so i'm just wondering it plays back wav 13.23.53 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.219.60) 13.24.28 # Yes, I remember playing back some 48KHz WAVs with the OF when I first got my h140 13.25.18 # ah okay 13.25.18 # Oddly, it didn't support 48KHz wma or 48KHz vorbis... 13.25.19 # LinusN: I did reentrant mutex ownership as a gag...wasn't hard since thread.c had a global for it. 13.25.43 # anyone got a suggestion for a good place in the build for presets? 13.25.51 # apps/eqs is the current candidate 13.27.11 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.27.33 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC") 13.27.43 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A5D98.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.27.56 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 13.28.06 # linuxstb: iriverfw truly seems to be a modular masterpiece 13.28.21 # playback speed altering only supported for mp3, multiple sample rates only support for some codecs... 13.28.46 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa205.11.tellas.gr) 13.34.32 # Any updates one when/if the repository is moving to subversion? 13.34.52 # * safetydan has grown to fear the permanence of "cvs add directory" 13.35.40 # preglow: The manual says OF supports 11, 22, 44 and 48kHz playback for wav 13.36.18 # It doesn't say anything about supported sample rates for other codecs 13.36.36 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.36.44 # safetydan: there are no immediate plans 13.37.17 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.219.60) 13.37.26 # ah well, would be nice 13.37.39 # one day I might even convince work to move to subversion as well 13.42.16 # how much work is the repository conversion in itself? 13.42.19 Join webguest75 [0] (i=519d9b33@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.42.29 # that's just a quick thing, yes? 13.44.04 # hi, i just registered for the wiki and have been told i need to come here to get my wikiname (JamesDenman) approved. 13.45.38 # preglow, depends on how you do it 13.45.46 # if you convert the entire history it's a long process 13.46.03 # just converting the latest revision of everything is of course very quick 13.46.31 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.46.32 # It's not just a matter of running cvs2svn? 13.46.43 # linuxstb, yes it is 13.46.57 # but that has options on how much of your repository history you copy over 13.47.10 # well, everything should be copied 13.47.18 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.219.60) 13.47.30 # but in any way it's just a matter of time, yes? it's not difficult no matter how you do it? 13.47.59 # yup 13.49.20 # I'm sure I remember Bagder saying he did a test conversion at svn.rockbox.org 13.49.23 Quit webguest75 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.52.58 # obviously it was a fancy conversion 13.53.07 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@wll193-172.wlan.hu-berlin.de) 13.53.33 # safetydan: you can actually checkout rockbox using svn:// from there 13.53.44 # uh. any one have the song: baba o'reily 13.53.54 # i have the BIGGEST urge to listen to it :S 13.54.12 # Bagder, just referring to the "This is a fancy website" page when you browse to that server 13.54.18 # I figured 13.56.50 # So what would be the svn command to check out that repository/ 13.56.51 # ? 13.56.58 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.57.29 # svn checkout svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox 13.58.26 # * linuxstb does "man svn" and is disappointed... 13.59.43 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.142.73) 13.59.45 # (the "The Who" version if possible0 14.00.40 # linuxstb: it has a fairly good help command 'svn help' and 'svn help co' etc 14.01.14 # I know, but I like man pages... 14.01.19 # msot commands are like cvs anyway 14.01.44 # * Bagder actually wrote the first svn man page 14.02.29 # Is there the equivalent to a -z option, or is compression used automatically? 14.02.38 # it always compresses 14.02.43 # * preglow hugs ssh+svn 14.03.45 # Bagder: please tell me: why do you make your personal details so readily available online? 14.04.03 # because they are not a secret? 14.05.03 # because it is all part of the great conspiracy 14.05.19 # daurn|afk: How do you know his details are correct? 14.05.45 # linuxstb: no idea ;) 14.06.25 # i dunno, but, for example, if i didn't like you for some reason (or for retaliation for kicking me etc), i could get all sorts of stuff done to you... from junk mail, to endless marketing calls, to reporting you to police etc 14.06.26 # what is the topic a reference to? 14.06.57 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6a1.e.strato-dslnet.de) 14.08.00 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 14.09.29 # daurn|afk: because he's not paranoid? 14.09.46 # daurn|afk: you would really have to hide well to avoid that 14.09.47 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549311B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.09.50 # indeed 14.10.04 # if you know what you're about, you can get most people's personal details without too much bother 14.10.12 # and we don't believe in playing clark kent 14.10.41 # it's part of being a real person 14.10.45 # i'm sure you could find my details 14.10.45 # but, having them THAT open 14.11.15 # if i'm a bit angry, i could retaliate - with a bit of privacy, the person has time to cool down 14.11.44 # also, if you happen to say something slightly illegel in the wrong place, you aren't as likely to be tracked down 14.11.53 # then try always being a nice guy 14.11.56 # there's no reason not to anyway 14.16.10 # * daurn|afk looks up preglow 14.16.55 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.193.103) 14.18.03 Quit lini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.18.41 # you'll have more luck with looking up thom johansen, heh 14.19.24 # heh 14.19.27 # already found that 14.19.57 Nick lex_ is now known as lex (i=lex@evot.us) 14.20.30 # and no, i'm not a martial arts sensei :P 14.21.16 # not too many of me in norway at the moment 14.21.48 # 8 thom johansens 14.21.49 # Meet my friends Sig, Winchester and Colt >:^D 14.22.32 # you still 24? 14.22.35 # 25 14.22.57 # ah, you were 24 in december ;) 14.23.08 # sure, i turned 25 in june 14.23.13 # so that should be true 14.23.27 # I'm 24...in hex 14.24.07 # middle name is Martin or Henry? 14.24.14 # daurn|afk: no middle name 14.24.26 # damn 14.24.49 # hell, in hex i can just barely drink 14.25.30 # 900 37 364 14.25.32 # ? 14.25.36 # daurn|afk: nope 14.25.45 # that's the sandefjord one 14.25.57 # i live in oslo 14.26.04 # damn 14.26.05 # :S 14.26.23 # anyway, only 8 to pick from 14.26.31 # i could just ring all of them ;) 14.26.33 # There's someone trying to track everyone down? Check the "where are the rockboxers" map. :) 14.26.34 # hahaha 14.27.02 # it's a miracle that map isn't bringing google's servers down at the moment 14.27.30 # Come meet me at my door if you dare! 14.27.57 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 14.28.27 # i'd be interested how fast you can find my details 14.29.07 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.29.13 Quit SereR0kR () 14.29.59 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6a1.e.strato-dslnet.de) 14.32.56 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.33.08 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 14.33.10 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.33.17 # uh, i assume everyone is looking for my details, or off coding... please pick one ;) 14.33.29 # I'm looking for you :) 14.33.41 # You've done a reasonable job. 14.34.16 # *sleeping while awake doing both wanting to floss teeth* 14.34.38 # hint: i AM the ONLY person to have ever used "daurnimator" for a nick 14.35.13 # I see that in the whois 14.37.10 # Oh hey, you're from melbourne too. 14.37.20 # yeah 14.37.34 # Southeast too :) 14.37.38 # thats public :P - nearly every forum i put that as my location 14.38.08 # aliask: hint: on the where is rockbox thing, my pointer is about on my kitchen 14.38.13 # but, you still get no address, full name or telephone number 14.38.36 # I could get the address from long/lat 14.39.01 # The melbourne property division maps are quite accurate. 14.39.22 # Well, at least I know you can go Adress -> Long/lat, I assume you could go the other way. 14.39.34 # are they online? - i also doubt they go in reverse 14.39.35 # Address even. 14.40.05 # They're online, and you could just brute force it, you could get it down to at least one of three houses. 14.40.50 # you can probably guess with google maps 14.41.08 # just type in street and suburb (which you should see on rockbox maps) 14.41.20 # google earth can move to any long/lat, can't it? 14.41.28 # and see which number is about where my pointer is 14.41.28 # yes 14.43.40 Part LinusN 14.44.54 # ah 14.44.58 # tracked myself down 14.45.50 # well, my common full name 14.46.10 # - more of my first name, and half of my surname 14.47.38 # now that method is removed 14.48.24 # I think I have your address, including unit number. 14.48.35 # post in PM 14.48.49 # don't want the next challenger to find it without looking ;) 14.51.01 Join mordov [0] (n=mordov@mail.furuno.no) 14.51.02 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.52.03 Quit damaki_ (Excess Flood) 14.52.05 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 14.52.23 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549667C7.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.52.49 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-12-211.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.56.52 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.03.44 Quit bbroke (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.06.16 Join Mmmm [0] (n=martin@cpc4-hem13-0-0-cust507.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 15.08.00 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@wll193-172.wlan.hu-berlin.de) 15.18.59 # From the front page: "Apple: iPod 4th gen (grayscale and color), 5th gen (Video), 1st gen Nano and Mini 1st/2nd gen (Nano 2nd gen and Video 5.5th gen are not supported)" 15.19.15 # Shouldn't be "iPod 3rd gen" there as well? 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15.57.15 # Too bad I have school in 7 hours. 15.57.26 # me passing my last exam :D 15.57.37 # Congrats! :D 15.57.39 # My first exam is next wednesday D: 15.58.07 # bluebrother, congratulations :) 15.58.16 # thanks 16.01.05 # * preglow accepts beer vigorously 16.01.13 Quit bbroke (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16.03.56 # * pondlife finished his beer 16.04.19 # There is only one logical progression - open another. 16.05.05 # aliask: goto bed ;) 16.05.25 # Ok mum. 16.05.32 # G'night 16.05.34 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 16.05.44 # ok, cyas all 16.05.52 # (gnight) 16.06.14 # It's 17:05 here! :P 16.08.21 Join leng__ [0] (n=leng@60.49.126.129) 16.09.59 Part leng__ ("Leaving") 16.14.06 # * bluebrother leave for the RL beer 16.14.19 Quit bluebrother ("cu later guys") 16.20.07 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.20.09 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 16.20.13 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@85.64.207.9.dynamic.barak-online.net) 16.29.08 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp191-208.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.38.45 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 16.39.36 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.43.48 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p549340B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.44.55 Join ukrainez [0] (i=c3efaf12@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 16.47.13 # privet rebyata! does anyone know, which size the USB-connected logo in /apps/gui/logo.c has to have? 16.47.37 # linuxstb: Just updated that ipod target tree patch with your suggestions. any comments on it? 16.49.13 # ukrainez: As I can see from the file: 16.49.24 # #define BMPHEIGHT_usb_logo_main 32 and #define BMPWIDTH_usb_logo_main 100 16.50.24 # oh, crap! sorry, can't really read code. so, 32 x 100. could I possibly change that to screen resolution, or rather not? 16.52.33 # It should probably work... but I'm not so sure... You have to take into account the status bar, too 16.53.31 # ok, thought so too. I guess I'll simply try it. thanks. 16.54.44 # ukrainez: Maybe just make it a bit bigger and not use the whole screen is probably better idea 16.55.14 # OK. Thank you, Genre9mp3! This is ukrainez. 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One generic and one for each supported device. 18.34.21 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-085-059.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.37.20 # bluebrother: I like the idea. The H10 is so different from the others that most questions are more likely to be answered in the ipod faq 18.37.44 # Ok, I'm going to separate the FAQ then. I don't like it to be that long and clumsy. 18.37.53 # great 18.38.01 # the h10 page will be missing quite a lot of questions first ... 18.38.12 # recording is currently missing, isn't it? 18.38.19 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 18.38.26 # yes, but there is a work in progress patch 18.38.33 # radio is missing too 18.38.58 # speaking of recording, does anyone know why there are two mp3 encoders in Rockbox? 18.39.03 # that was the thing I recognized that :) 18.39.29 # plugins/mp3_encoder.c and apps/codecs/mp3_enc.c 18.39.31 # two encoders? There was mp3_encoder, and the recording framework that allowed mp3 recording got added later 18.39.48 # which one does the recording screen use? 18.41.34 # The plugin is for converting WAV files to MP3 on your player. The real-time recording encoder is in apps/codecs/ 18.41.53 # Can the plugin be removed now? 18.41.57 # they seem like they are both derived from the same source code 18.42.25 # but the plugin has endianness checks in it which is handy for h10/ipod 18.47.17 # barrywardell: BTW, your latest ipod target-tree patch looks good to me - assuming it works... 18.47.36 # it compiles on all targets anyway 18.47.49 # good enough for CVS? 18.49.09 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.49.28 Join mozrat [0] (i=mozrat@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org) 18.50.19 Quit dpro (Connection timed out) 18.50.23 # I think so. 18.50.58 # Hi guys - how can I diagnose my rockbox install freezing on a 4th Gen iPod? 18.51.24 # to undo my stupid cvs add mistake, should I just do a cvs del on the apple dir? 18.51.34 # it plays and then stops after about 20 minutes - the consistancy seems to be that 20 minute period rather than a single media file 18.51.36 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 18.51.44 # mozrat: it's probaly frequency scaling. see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 18.51.47 # I don't think you can delete directories under CVS? 18.51.59 # barrywardell: thanks, I'll have a look 18.53.05 # obo: no? surely it's possible to just do cvs remove on a directory? 18.55.19 # barrywardell: this is a very recent bug - is it worth using a slightly older firmware image or is the frequency scaling issue present there too? 18.55.36 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.55.37 # mozrat: i think the bug has always been present 18.55.55 # you can avoid the problem by boosting the cpu as soon as you turn your ipod on 18.55.58 # there is some weird issue about removing folders. There is a -P option, but... I'm not that hot on CVS 18.56.09 # barrywardell: how do I do that? 18.57.05 # iirc, it's in info->debug->cpu or something like that 18.57.29 # ok cool - I'll play with that. Thank you for your help 18.58.24 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-119-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.59.43 # http://www.thathost.com/wincvs-howto/cvsdoc/cvs_7.html#SEC74 18.59.55 Join webguest67 [0] (i=c3ec4b1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 19.00.14 # does that mean I need to ask Bagder or someone else with access to the server to do it? 19.01.30 # pass - sorry 19.02.07 # barrywardell: Yes, the only option is for someone to delete them on the server. 19.04.14 # mozrat: Yes, it's an old bug, but it's being worked on. In the meantime, you might like to use one of the unofficial builds that disables CPU boosting for the 4g. Check the "Unofficial Builds" forum. 19.04.18 # * barrywardell curses cvs 19.08.58 # barrywardell: Don't worry about it - if people use -P with cvs (which I think most Rockbox devs do), then empty directories are pruned, so people won't notice they are there. 19.10.23 # Anyone out there who's recently had some white noise played back (or other odd behaviour) when rebuffering? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6117 is a Request For Infomation. 19.10.26 # barrywardell, hope you like the split-up FAQ :) 19.11.07 Join SereRokR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6a1.e.strato-dslnet.de) 19.11.11 Quit SereRokR (Remote closed the connection) 19.12.12 # pondlife: i heard of similar problems with the H10 over on misticriver 19.14.43 # It's something which PaulJam saw in the sim, so pretty general 19.14.43 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.14.57 # bluebrother: nice :) 19.15.15 # I suspect something to do with metadata parsing is resulting in a negative file buffer pointer. 19.15.23 # I'll try to fill in some extra stuff when I can 19.15.30 # But haven't been able to repro this one at all. 19.15.52 # makes it way more readable also for the other players. Still needs some work ... but not now ;-) 19.15.54 # I'll attach a patch to the bug report, if that's not bad form... 19.16.13 # A pointer can't become negative... 19.16.22 # No, it becomes very big 19.16.35 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-080-234.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.16.43 # But is displayed as negative when cast to a long in the debug screen 19.17.01 # It's actually size_t filebufused 19.17.09 # So not even a pointer 19.17.20 # pondlife: here's the report I saw: http://misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=501915&postcount=688 19.18.09 # Thanks 19.18.45 # I'll give that a go. 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(disabled?) 20.10.34 # I can see the history tab (if I'm logged in). 20.11.45 # Oh thanks 20.12.03 # Flyspray used to keep me logged in, so I didn't pay attention... 20.12.14 # But it would be nice if the notifications were more informative. 20.14.07 # Hmm, another flyspray issue: You can either set Operating System to 'All targets', or one specific target, but you can't set groups 20.14.44 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 20.15.09 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 20.15.29 Quit RoC_MM (Client Quit) 20.16.09 Join marks [0] (n=chatzill@84-73-213-231.dclient.hispeed.ch) 20.16.38 # The recording corruption bug was changed (by RaeNye) from 'All targets' to 'Archos Recorder' - but it affects all archoses that can record, i.e. Recorder v1/v2/fm and Ondio FM 20.17.20 Part marks 20.17.56 # Yes, there's lots of bugs like that - all swcodec, all ipod etc... 20.18.31 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p5487716C.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.18.53 # another thing: the "changed" notification could be better as you can't see what's been changed until you go to the web site itself 20.19.05 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.19.06 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.216.8) 20.26.48 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 20.29.40 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp51-177.adsl.forthnet.gr) 20.31.14 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6a1.e.strato-dslnet.de) 20.53.29 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 20.53.31 Join petur [0] (n=petur@d54C1AD6B.access.telenet.be) 20.57.51 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.58.26 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.196.41) 20.59.23 Join Captain_A [0] (n=dummeska@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 20.59.32 Quit desowin ("use linux") 20.59.35 Part Captain_A 21.02.14 Join aegray [0] (n=aegray@vpn82-7e-92-fa.near.uiuc.edu) 21.02.48 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@unaffiliated/desowin) 21.05.01 Join nmallas [0] (i=58da0dda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.09.16 Quit nmallas (Client Quit) 21.10.21 Quit aegray ("Lost terminal") 21.10.26 Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.46 Join webguest83 [0] (i=53f23f10@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.19.34 Quit TCK (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.19.49 Quit webguest83 (Client Quit) 21.22.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.32.15 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 21.36.44 Join nmallas [0] (n=nmallas@88.218.13.218) 21.39.25 Part LinusN 21.40.49 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 21.42.06 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico@82.236.43.128) 21.43.35 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 21.44.01 Quit Nico_P (Client Quit) 21.44.20 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico@laf31-4-82-236-43-128.fbx.proxad.net) 21.45.22 Quit nmallas () 21.49.17 Join ThinWhiteDuke [0] (i=50cad4e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.49.47 # hi 21.50.08 # hi! a question: Does rockbox still have trouble with playing high bitrate VBR-MP3s? 21.50.22 # still? 21.50.39 # i read somewhere that that's an issue...not? 21.50.58 # on iPods 21.51.03 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-127-004.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.52.23 # 320kbps mp3s play fine on my ipod photo 21.52.41 # as long as there's no peakmeters in the wps 21.53.02 # where can I find good wps with colors etcetera ? 21.53.37 # are the menus of rockbox skinable or is it only for the play screen ? (though I guess wps means while playing screen) 21.53.37 # I'm talking about Variabel Bitrate-MP3s. I think Constant Bitrate MP3s work fine 21.53.38 Quit SereR0kR () 21.53.44 # variable 21.53.54 # ThinWhiteDuke: why not just try for yourself? 21.54.04 Join belze [0] (i=belze@2001:618:400:0:0:0:53d9:5f54) 21.54.42 # and a 320kbs VBR would of course be CBR ;-) 21.54.50 # is there a page with the futur of rockbox or important things beeing worked on ? 21.55.02 # hehe.. yeah, I should, but I thought I'd check if anyone has any experience with VBR-MP3s on a new 5.5G 80 GB ipod....anyone??? 21.55.35 # eh, Rockbox doesn't work on the 5.5G (yet) 21.55.53 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 21.56.05 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-93-58.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.56.19 # ok... also seems that goPod (volume-limit-eraser) doesn't work... 21.56.24 # mirak: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo 21.56.47 # I hope Rockbox doesn't have any french/EU volume-limit? :) 21.56.59 # mirak: Though don't take into account the dates on that page... 21.57.00 # ThinWhiteDuke: everything works fine here on iPod mini 21.57.16 # ThinWhiteDuke: no, but the volume is still weak for line out 21.57.57 # ThinWhiteDuke: I didn't find any music file that rockbox couldn't play 21.58.04 # by the way I couldn't find a way to increase the gain of songs with low volume. 21.59.24 # any autoconf experts here? 21.59.24 # :> 21.59.35 # ThinWhiteDuke: and my fave is lame -V0 for mp3 and ogg -q 10 for vorbis 21.59.45 # preglow: what's the prob? 22.00.44 # Bagder: i want to link my program statically (or at least statically as far as possible), and am wondering if autoconf can deal with this for me 22.01.28 # hem, is there a way to see the memory consumation of functions and static vars from a simple C binary, kind of like rockbox map allow to see ? 22.01.55 # preglow: not really, you'd typically just set LDFLAGS before you invoke configure 22.02.18 # but it depends on the configure script and how it was done 22.02.18 # Bagder: LDFLAGS="-static" ./configure ? 22.02.24 # yeps 22.02.28 # i'll try that 22.02.51 # i never overwrite LDFLAGS, so it might work 22.03.44 # Bagder: yeah, as i suspected, it tries to link everything static 22.03.50 # Bagder: and not all libs are available as static libs 22.04.26 # aha, so you want to link the app with some libs static? 22.04.46 # Bagder: basically every lib that is available as an .a, heh 22.04.54 # then I suggest you just copy and past the link line and insert -static where appropriately 22.04.58 # Bagder: which is almost all, except some of the gtk ones 22.05.08 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 22.05.13 # Bagder: yeah, that'll probably be the easiest 22.05.44 # about tetrox : "In addition to the trademark claim, they also claim copyright on 'features' 22.05.46 # of the game. However, the lawyers agree with me that those claims are 22.05.46 # nonsense so we can safely ignore them." 22.06.00 # is the tetrox lawyers or rockbox ones ? 22.06.08 # is that the 22.06.16 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.06.16 # assuming ld works like that, of course 22.06.26 # preglow: I believe it does 22.06.49 # mirak: eh, why would the Tetris lawyers threaten us and then agree it is silly? 22.06.56 Quit Ed_ (Nick collision from services.) 22.07.00 Join Ed___ [0] (i=ed@palm.hoeg.nl) 22.07.06 # "the lawyers" in that case is the ones Zagor talked to 22.07.25 # Bagder: you do mean as in put -static after the libs which will be dynamically linked? if so, then no, doesn't look like it does 22.07.47 # preglow: no, I think -static should be _before_ the libs that are static, but after the ones that should be dynamic 22.07.54 # right, right 22.07.57 # then i'll need some reordering 22.08.03 # ah, no 22.08.06 # that's exactly what i do :> 22.08.27 # Bagder: how is it a non sens by the way ? that's a ripof of tetris lol. Not that I care, but I am just wondering. Is the fact it's not commercialised enough ? 22.08.39 # * petur wonders what is missing when rockboxdev.sh says it couldn't find downloader tool to use 22.08.41 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@cpc2-oxfd8-0-0-cust79.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 22.08.43 # mirak: you can't copyright "features" 22.08.52 # petur: wget or curl? 22.08.55 # petur: curl or wget 22.09.15 # but the message should probably say so 22.09.35 # Bagder: nah, it doesn't, i put -static just before the last few libs on the line i know are available static, but ld complains it can't find the one that isn't then too 22.09.36 # Bagder: but the game itself ? I am just trying to understand 22.10.03 # preglow: the man page for ld says it works like that 22.10.19 # mirak: copyright is for implementations 22.10.28 # Bagder: so i see 22.10.42 # mirak: you can't protect ideas with copyright 22.11.01 # that's what patents are for 22.11.55 # i like the fact that autoconf stuffs all of CXXFLAGS on the linker line too 22.12.25 # preglow: autoconf can do that but is most often told not to 22.12.48 # Bagder: then i'm doing something wrong again 22.13.27 # Bagder: but yeah, whatever the man page says, that's not what it does. so unless invoking 'ld' or 'gcc' for the linker does the difference, then it's wrong 22.14.01 # I think there's a difference 22.14.58 # Bagder: yes, and stuffing -shared in there as well makes it override everything 22.15.08 # ok, then i'll see what extra g++ does and add that to an ld line 22.15.11 # and hope that works 22.15.46 Quit Landus ("Leaving") 22.16.22 # hmm, wasn't there a way to make gcc output command lines for all the intermediate stages it does automatically? 22.17.50 # -v... 22.19.11 Quit webguest67 ("CGI:IRC") 22.22.36 Join webguest56 [0] (i=c3ec4b1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.24.13 # anyone knows Diablo ? 22.24.31 # http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo/ 22.26.02 # they claim it can give info about statically linked programm like show the depency call graph of functions 22.26.03 # Bagder: well, what do you know, finally some luck. multiple -shared and -static on the same line didn't work well, even when not going through gcc, but shuffling all static libs last and using one -static worked out 22.26.22 # Bagder: couldn't use ld, though, g++ requires you to use some gcc internal thing called collect2 22.26.32 # ah g++ 22.26.41 # * Bagder never really uses C++ 22.27.10 # Regarding the new left-hand menus on the website... it would be better if the forum version lined up with the main one. ;-) 22.30.26 Join Landus [0] (n=Landus@70-100-181-192.dsl1-erie.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) 22.30.40 # * preglow uses c++ for most things these days 22.32.01 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 22.32.25 # "Diablo is a retargetable link-time binary rewriting framework. While our focus has been mostly on program compaction, binary rewriting has a much broader range of applications: speed optimizations, power consumption optimizations, size optimizations, program obfuscation and watermarking, instrumentation, etc. 22.32.26 # A good binary rewriting framework (one like Diablo :-)) is also very useful for program analysis and understanding. For instance, Diablo can print out the control flow graph for all functions in a program, annotated with for example liveness information." 22.32.48 # doesn't that seem intersting ? 22.33.23 # they seem to gain on average 20% of binary size http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo/?q=i386_regression arm seems the second supported target 22.33.39 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-69-210-246-88.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 22.34.29 # the draw back is that you need to patch the toolchain and that it seems pretty new 22.35.24 # tell us what you learned when you've tried it! ;-P 22.38.21 # I am downloading the i386 prebuilt toolchain but that's big, 130 meg ... on paper that's exactly what I need to strip ffmpeg code. I have a code without mpeg4 and microsoft crap with only mpeg2 decoding stuff at least for x86. 22.43.23 Join avl [0] (n=avl@145.116.8.217) 22.55.12 Quit Nico_P () 23.06.04 Join MHen [0] (i=54a37ab0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.07.08 Quit MHen (Client Quit) 23.07.11 Quit Strath ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 23.07.59 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 23.11.17 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 23.12.38 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@67.64.117.17) 23.16.21 Quit obo ("bye") 23.16.22 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 23.17.51 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 23.22.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.23.55 # Bagder: you know how to make AC_CHECK_HEADER etc use g++ instead of gcc? 23.25.39 # forget it, found out 23.28.08 Join Tvattsvamp [0] (n=Tvattsva@1-1-2-41a.veo.vs.bostream.se) 23.28.31 # :O 23.28.37 # anyone awake? 23.28.52 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 23.28.57 # no 23.29.18 # ow 23.29.31 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 23.30.04 Quit dan_a () 23.30.55 Quit Xerion (" ") 23.32.23 # * petur has a dev environment again :) 23.33.00 # \o/ 23.33.44 # just build the m68k compiler, used the pre-build ones for arm and sh as I'm not using those builds on a target 23.34.04 # and enjoyed the slowness of cygwin 23.34.54 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 23.36.35 Join ftugrul [0] (n=tugrul@85.99.197.222) 23.36.39 Quit avl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.41.32 Quit ftugrul (Remote closed the connection) 23.42.00 Join Soap_OutOfTown [0] (i=d8c93873@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.42.29 # can you use rockbox and standard apple os at the same time? 23.42.45 # that's silly 23.42.57 # :< 23.42.57 Quit Soap_OutOfTown (Client Quit) 23.42.59 # no 23.43.03 # thats noobish 23.43.14 # and thats why im asking. 23.43.15 # you have them both installed and reboot to switch 23.43.40 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.43.40 # well. thats what i meant 23.43.51 # as with ipod linux 23.43.54 # yes 23.43.58 # ok 23.44.04 # but it's not what you asked ;) 23.44.47 # i meant; can you have both apple os and rockbox installed at the same time 23.44.49 # :P 23.44.58 # "on the same ipod" 23.44.59 Quit mirak (Connection timed out) 23.45.03 # btw, is it only me or is http://www.kreator666.gabeandco.info/rockbox/downloads/Rockbox%20Installer%20X%20v1.zip down? 23.45.06 # whatever 23.48.05 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Success) 23.48.29 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.198.92) 23.48.40 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 23.50.45 # Tvattsvamp: yes you can 23.51.08 # ty :> 23.51.37 # I just found these ipod mods. so im kinda noob atm. 23.55.31 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-65-206.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.55.49 Quit ender` (" The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.")