--- Log for 05.10.106 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 18 hours ago 00.01.02 Quit mordov ("The amount of experience you have is paralell with the amount of equipment you have ruined.") 00.01.25 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.03.06 Join Soap_OutOfTown [0] (i=d8c93873@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.10.26 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.14.10 Quit lodesi ("leaving") 00.22.39 Join Yono [0] (n=jason@69-169-149-152.bflony.adelphia.net) 00.28.01 # I'm trying to build a new decoder, getting the error "section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM", does this mean I'm using too much memory? 00.28.34 # Yes, and it seems to be far too much 00.28.39 # check the .map file 00.29.31 # yeah, I'll have to take out some buffers, thanks 00.31.44 # mono it is 00.32.01 # "is not within" probably means the preceding sections are already so big that .bss ends up completely outside the plugin ram 00.32.10 # it builds now 00.32.14 # Otherwise you would see a different message 00.32.24 # I had a buffer that took up fully half of PLUGIN_RAM 00.34.25 Quit Tvattsvamp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.34.26 Quit Yono (Remote closed the connection) 00.37.55 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 00.43.47 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.45.31 # hcs: new decoder? 00.45.46 # nsf, currently nonworking 00.47.13 # nice 00.47.33 Join Angry [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-159-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.47.37 # and pagefault is working on spc 00.47.41 # nicer if it worked... 00.48.43 # Can anyone explain why even if change only one line of a file a diff produces a whole new file (- all ou + all in again) 00.49.00 # help appreciated 00.49.09 # ^^ 00.49.11 # changed newlines, tabs to spaces? 00.49.17 # no 00.49.22 # did you editor? 00.49.28 # *your 00.49.43 # which one would you recommend... 00.49.56 # eclipse 00.50.05 # <-- right now 00.50.09 # I don't know what eclipse might do 00.50.13 # I just use vim 00.50.23 # freeware?? 00.50.29 # yeah 00.50.57 # I use gedit when I need something what I can mouse around in 00.52.05 # i gedit available for windows 00.52.06 # ? 00.52.10 # dunno 00.52.43 # I am not actually giving helpful suggestions... 00.52.47 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.53.07 # No Gedit looks fine ^^ Will give that a try^^ THX 00.53.21 # You did^^ 00.54.06 # gvim ? 00.54.08 # :) 00.54.18 # if I want something mousable I don't want vim 00.54.55 # i use scite when i want something mousable 00.56.01 # scite looks nice also 00.56.56 # the code structuring functions look good... Thats my new try ^^ 00.58.41 # if my codec is running too slow, should I still be hearing sound every once in a while? 01.07.41 # I'd expect a little blip followed by several seconds of silence followed by another blip... the audio thread debug screen indicates it is generating something, but I don't hear it 01.11.59 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.22.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.26.50 Join PierreTramo [0] (n=gcarrier@sitlib.org) 01.26.51 # hi 01.29.41 # From dapreview.net: "What's the big deal with X-Fi anyway? Creative claims it will restore the quality of your lossy MP3 files back to or better than the original lossless files." 01.29.49 # riiiight ;) 01.30.00 # haha...what? 01.30.42 # it's super-lossy compression, it loses the bad parts of the audio 01.31.34 # * scorche boggles at hcs 01.31.43 # :) 01.33.01 # * scorche wonders why hcs felt the need to say that 01.33.32 # * hcs is frustrated and blithering at random on IRC 01.33.51 # hcs - so that's what happened to my Backstreet Boys collection? 01.34.04 # sounds better now, doesn't it? 01.34.31 # hcs: well, rockbox is an open-source replacement firmware for DAPs 01.34.37 # just so you know ;) 01.34.46 # markun: I already reported that! :P 01.34.55 # scorche: I'm missing something here 01.34.55 # Genre9mp3: ah sorry :) 01.35.14 # hey scorche, can u test out a new recorder build? 01.35.20 # i can 01.35.24 # The actual claim from creative.com is in fact: "Creative's Sound Blaster® X-Fi XtremeMusic™ brings the revolutionary new Xtreme Fidelity audio standard to the PC. With 24-bit Crystalizer it restores the sparkle lost during MP3/WMA compression..." 01.35.39 # scorche: which target? 01.35.39 # * scorche boggles again 01.35.45 # v1 01.36.46 # doesn't sound to me like they claim it will be better than the original 01.37.03 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@rn-was1a01.uwaterloo.ca) 01.37.21 # markun: Here's another actual quote from Creative's press release: "...Xmod, a device based upon its X-Fi Xtreme Fidelity audio platform that improves music playback quality for MP3, WMA, iTunes or AAC songs to beyond the original CD quality" 01.37.38 # http://www.creative.com/press/releases/welcome.asp?pid=12620 01.37.44 # first paragraph 01.37.48 # i would love to see how exactly they manage to do that 01.38.07 Join O11|bed [0] (n=irc@82-35-97-118.cable.ubr05.dals.blueyonder.co.uk) 01.38.15 # yo 01.38.23 # I think it sucks that they actually claim such things... 01.38.27 Nick O11|bed is now known as O11 (n=irc@82-35-97-118.cable.ubr05.dals.blueyonder.co.uk) 01.38.37 # just finished a benchtest.. 01.38.45 # scorche: the Gigabeat S has a feature which also 'restores' the high frequencies lost by MP3 compression. 01.38.49 # can anyone help me understand it? 01.38.54 # It also cuts the battery time in half 01.38.58 # why does the time start at just over 1 hour? 01.39.01 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 01.39.03 # markun: but how? 01.39.14 # scorche: by making them up? 01.39.22 # hehe 01.39.44 # They call it 'harmonics'. Maybe that gives a clue of what they are doing 01.39.49 # They just enhance the sound...this has nothing to do with quality at all! 01.40.08 # anything you cant do with an eq? 01.40.16 # beep 01.40.37 # The trick word is " Psychoacoustics" 01.40.57 # related to "Psychodevelopers"? 01.41.25 # You think that the music is more "lively" and "shiny"... but again nothing to do with the _quality_ 01.41.54 # 011: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1530008.4.1 (information explained - time) ;) 01.43.13 # pixelma: thankyou! 01.43.57 # sorry about your nick... O11 :) 01.49.14 # markun: they're probably just tricking your mind into thinking there's more detail by using an equalizer or something 01.50.26 # no 01.50.29 # they're creating harmonics 01.50.40 # this is exactly what sbr does in mp3pro and aacplus 01.50.44 # (he-aac) 01.51.22 # Btw.... does Rockbox support aacplus? 01.51.35 # it would be great to have an option that could be applied to a folder 01.51.46 # and which would enable counters of plays of each file 01.52.03 # and it could suggest a list of files never played 01.52.09 # (useful for my podcasts, in fact) 01.52.19 # (i'm using ipodder and rsync with my iriver) 01.52.36 # Genre9mp3: no 01.52.42 # pixelma: sorry about my nick? 01.52.44 # Genre9mp3: i don't know if we have enough horsepower for it anyway 01.52.56 # do you think this could be possible/hard to code/interesting? 01.52.57 # O11: she wrote it with a zero instead of an o 01.53.25 # oh.. it's supposed to be with a zero.. irc just doesn't allow nicks beginning with numbers ;_; 01.53.28 # preglow: Same for Mp3pro? (about horse power) - though mp3pro sucks IMO 01.53.30 # heh 01.54.09 # Genre9mp3: dunno, really, i think aac is slightly more cpu hungry in its basic configuration than mp3 is, plus, aacplus also includes parametric stereo which gives even more complexity 01.54.10 # where's the runtime benchtest area on the rockbox website? 01.54.19 # mp3pro is only mp3 + sbr 01.54.43 # * Genre9mp3 googles parametric stereo 01.54.56 # is it in the wiki? 01.55.00 # O11: yup 01.55.40 # O11: depends on your player? 01.55.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime 01.55.43 # that's for ipod 01.55.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime' 01.55.54 # that's for iriver 01.56.18 # we could probably use a bigger main page including stuff like this 01.58.23 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Remote closed the connection) 01.58.56 # preglow: thanks 01.59.04 # should I switch disk poweroff on? 01.59.34 # O11: still don't know what player you have 02.00.02 # According to the wikipedia article, just the parametric stereo technique makes 24kbps equal to 44kbps 02.00.12 # Sounds really promising.... 02.00.23 # preglow: sorry.. iriver h320 02.00.30 # O11: then yes, definitely 02.00.40 # (but I don't know if actually _sounds_ that, too) 02.00.43 # Genre9mp3: don't believe every figure you read like that 02.00.45 Quit mirak (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.00.55 # preglow: yes 02.01.13 # do i have to get write persmission to be able to submit my benchtest results? 02.01.20 # i don't really know how ps works either 02.01.33 # O11: probably, i don't really know how the wiki works these days 02.01.41 # O11: yes 02.01.43 # preglow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametric_Stereo 02.01.53 # Genre9mp3: yeah, but that doesn't really tell me how it works 02.01.54 # it says I should introduce myself on irc =D 02.01.57 # At least it says the concept there 02.02.12 # * scorche tips his hat to O11 02.02.12 # can someone give me write permission? or do I need to make an account first.. 02.02.17 # * O11 makes an account 02.02.22 # you need to regiuster of course 02.02.25 # O11: heh, then you need to find someone that can give you write permission 02.02.28 # i don't think i can 02.02.43 # Genre9mp3: yeah, sure, but i want to know more :> 02.02.45 # preglow: anyone with write permissions already can do it 02.03.20 # preglow: just requires adding them to TWikiUsersGroup 02.03.24 # preglow: I'm sure you do! :) 02.03.57 # scorche: oh 02.04.08 # then i can do it :> 02.04.17 # really...what's the licensing on these techniques? 02.04.43 # Genre9mp3: they're probably patented all of them 02.04.44 # m 02.05.08 # I'm JohannesCharman 02.05.38 # But are they open to public? (sorry for not knowin a lot about that) 02.05.52 # looks like someone's already on it 02.06.00 # O11: done 02.06.08 # thanks! =) 02.06.12 # Genre9mp3: depends what you mean, faad already can decode sbr, as far as i know, and we've got that in cvs 02.06.29 # scorche: looks like a ton of the names in that page aren't registered anymore? 02.07.01 # or do they just not have pages? 02.07.04 # preglow: So only the parametric stereo stuff is Rockbox missing from aac atm? 02.07.08 # either way 02.07.24 # but that is more of a Bagder/Zagor thing 02.07.42 # Genre9mp3: looks like ps is there as well 02.07.44 # preglow: what's the difference between "Parametric Stereo" and joint-stereo? 02.07.54 # markun: joint stereo still encodes two channels 02.08.26 # err.. how do you edit? 02.08.36 # O11: the "edit" link 02.08.47 # preglow: Then why can't play aacplus? It just isn't realtime? 02.09.02 # Genre9mp3: way, way too heavy 02.09.09 # Genre9mp3: right now we can barely decode aac-lc realtime 02.09.34 # * O11 sees it hiding away at the bottom.. 02.09.40 Quit pill ("changing servers") 02.10.43 Join pill [0] (n=pill@loves.voltshells.com) 02.11.19 # markun: well, looks like one form of joint stereo is a bit like ps 02.12.03 # yes, I'm reading the wikipedia page a bit 02.12.03 Quit ThinWhiteDuke ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.12.06 Quit dark ("changing servers") 02.12.07 # but time for bed now 02.12.27 Join dark [0] (i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com) 02.13.31 # preglow: According to this: http://senab.iddx.net/rockbox/results.html it's a bit worse than vorbis (well at least on high bitrate vorbis) 02.13.37 # Anyway...interesting things to know.. :) 02.14.31 # sbr really is quite a bit of code 02.15.26 # In the wiki what does it mean by repeats? 02.15.44 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-227-213.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 02.15.56 # O11: link? 02.16.15 Quit dark (Client Quit) 02.16.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime 02.17.04 # oh.. sorry.. i'm tired.. I get it.. 02.17.09 # don't worry 02.17.09 Join jason [0] (n=jason@69-169-149-152.bflony.adelphia.net) 02.17.12 # heh.. 02.18.11 Join dark [0] (n=dark@microsoft.gotrooted.com) 02.18.26 # bed 02.19.02 Quit Angry (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.19.26 # bed's good 02.19.47 Nick jason is now known as Yono (n=jason@69-169-149-152.bflony.adelphia.net) 02.21.54 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-TWO-EIGHTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) 02.26.38 Quit Yono ("Leaving") 02.28.28 # anyone know a good tag editor? 02.30.04 # O11: Mp3Tag and Godfather 02.30.57 # http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ 02.31.01 # http://users.otenet.gr/~jtcliper/tgf/ 02.32.12 # mp3tag.. that's the one I had before.. it's nice.. 02.34.25 # argh.. is there an easy way of making all the tracks be 01, 02, 03.. rather than being odd things like 1/13 or 1, 2, 3 ? 02.38.12 # goodnight 02.39.16 Join Yono [0] (n=Yono@69-169-149-152.bflony.adelphia.net) 02.39.28 # O11: in the filenames or in the tags? in the tags, i don't think they can be preceded by 0 and there's no need as stuff should sort by-track-num numerically... for filenames i dunno, if i get files named like 1 2 3 or such, 02.39.36 Quit pill ("changing servers") 02.39.45 # i'll do something like for f in ?-*;do mv "$f" "0$f";done 02.39.45 # heh 02.39.55 Join pill [0] (i=pill@loves.voltshells.com) 02.39.59 # assuming that its 1-blah 2-blah etc style 02.40.42 # argh.. i just realised.. 02.40.54 # you don't want zeros do you.. 02.41.12 # i knew it was either you want them or you don't want them =) 02.41.23 # * O11 takes them off again 02.41.26 # it doesn't matter for tags 02.41.31 # anyway.. night all 02.41.34 Quit O11 () 02.41.36 # for filenames its desirable so 1 doesn't get sorted next to 10 02.41.36 # * scorche adds the zeros, but it doesnt really matter 02.42.13 # scorche: in tags? 02.42.23 # i've never seen preceding 0s actually show up in tags 02.42.56 # if i'll auto-tag with a script from filenames that contain them, meaning the commandline inadvertantly explicitly specifies 01 etc, the tags'll still always be without them 02.43.22 # like i said...it doesnt really matter, but i do it anyway 02.43.41 # since afaict track number tags are treated as a number, not a character sequence 02.44.28 # scorche: and do you have it show up when you look at the tags later? 02.45.19 # depends how i look at the tag 02.45.28 Quit Sinbios (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.45.28 # i suppose its a matter of how a program displays it 02.45.31 # in windows, no...in winamp, yes 02.45.48 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@rn-was1a01.uwaterloo.ca) 02.45.50 # winamp probably does 0-padding 02.45.58 # in the display 02.46.07 # nope...some have it and some dont 02.46.19 # really? 02.46.21 # strange 02.46.22 # depending on how i tagged it 02.46.32 # how do you tell an int to have a prepended 0 :p 02.47.05 # or a char or short or whatever it is 02.47.17 Quit barrywardell () 02.48.13 # printf("%02d",blah); 02.48.31 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-227-213.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 02.48.46 # hcs: exactly, zero-padding in the display, but hows that care how it was tagged? 02.49.07 # I don't know, just being useless 02.49.15 # heh 02.52.17 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 02.57.33 Join ShadowdogMU [0] (n=Brock@cpe-65-28-252-205.woh.res.rr.com) 02.58.17 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.59.29 # ok, nsf player working at half speed, or so 02.59.40 # the problem before involved careless use of "char" 03.06.53 Part pixelma 03.08.00 Quit Yono (Remote closed the connection) 03.14.07 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 03.14.27 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 03.22.49 # O11 needs to fix his wiki entry 03.22.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.25.08 # ok, that's better 03.29.49 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving") 03.36.47 Quit Sinbios (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.36.56 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@rn-was1a01.uwaterloo.ca) 03.38.12 Quit secleinteer_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.39.05 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-228-203.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 03.40.30 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 03.41.43 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.56.19 Join methoman [0] (n=methoman@static-203-87-68-146.vic.chariot.net.au) 03.57.58 Quit methoman (Client Quit) 04.02.10 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-7-208.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 04.07.14 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 04.07.22 # Is anything defined anywhere saying how long it takes a player's drive to spin up for writing? 04.21.30 # what player 04.26.23 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 04.27.05 # a defined for all players that can be used to spin the drive in advance of writing 04.37.34 Join DarthLappy [0] (n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine) 04.37.35 Nick DarthLappy is now known as DarthShrine (n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine) 04.37.58 Part DarthShrine 04.40.03 Join Burn [0] (i=8a8271d8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.40.56 # hey does anyone know how to play music on my ipod 5g? 04.42.08 Join dimatrod [0] (n=dimatrod@190.10.0.112) 04.42.10 # I'm guessing many/most here do, what is your question in more detail? 04.42.39 # how can i set my friends' H10 to usb mode? 04.42.45 # like to be able to transfer stuff 04.43.22 # as simple as it seems i simply don't know how to do it 04.44.08 # hello anyone? 04.45.11 # dimatrod: I don't have a h10, but is this question about rockbox or the H10 hardware? 04.45.19 # rockbox 04.45.31 # just got it on and don't know how to set it on usb mode hehehe 04.46.02 # hey i add my music using itunes and when i go into rockbox and play it all the music are in albums and all in code 04.46.20 # Burn: read the manual about TagCache 04.46.40 # itunes scrambles file names and uses its own database to display files by their tags. 04.47.35 # so nobody here knows my issue? 04.47.37 # rockbox can not read this database directly, but has its own tag database, called tagcache. You need to enable it, build the database, reboot, and change your file view from filetree to tagcache, then you can use the same files itunes does. 04.47.48 # well not quite issue but way of going to usb mode? 04.48.58 Quit Burn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.48.58 Join Burn [0] (i=8a8271d8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.49.16 # dimatrod: I don't have an h10 04.49.23 # oh 04.49.40 # i can't seem to find a way to do this in the manuals also.. 04.49.47 # Soap_OutOfTown: ok thanks but how do i add tagcache? 04.50.33 # oh i got it going 04.50.46 # Burn: there is an excellent manual for rockbox. 04.50.53 # had to press the circle button as i turn the player on to get to usb mode 04.50.59 # I don't have time to walk you through all the steps. 04.51.20 # could you tell me the site of the manual? 04.51.37 # on the daily builds site 04.51.47 # under your player, there's a Manual link 04.51.50 # it's in PDF 04.51.58 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.51.58 # alternatively, i do have time to tell you 04.52.13 Quit YouCeyE ("Leaving") 04.52.24 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 04.52.40 # lolz ok thans :D 04.53.52 # also i got another question: what are the differences between daily builds, cvs builds and releases? i dont get what they all are for 04.54.28 # there are no releases for the ipod 04.54.40 # cvs is the latest build 04.54.43 # daily builds qet built automaticly every day. 04.54.51 # like it has the latest comisions to the build 04.54.55 # it may contain more bugs 04.55.09 # cvs builds get built multiple times a day - everytime someone commits a change - no matter how little or big. 04.55.10 # dailies are just more stable, though don't have the day's newest features 04.55.24 # hehe you're reading it twice here 04.55.28 # but he got it more right 04.55.30 # there is no reason a daily would be more stable. 04.55.52 # they are nothing more than a CVS build at the end of the day. 04.58.23 # ok so they're both quite the same right? 04.59.34 Join vertic23 [0] (i=bla@dslb-084-056-235-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) 05.00.43 # so... wheres the tag cache menu? 05.01.35 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACAE6590.ipt.aol.com) 05.02.56 # ok 05.03.01 # go to general settings 05.03.13 # file view 05.03.13 Quit Soap_OutOfTown ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.03.19 # Tag Cache 05.03.24 # Initialize Now 05.03.27 # then go back one menu 05.03.36 # go to Show Files 05.03.37 # and wait... 05.03.39 # TagCache 05.03.54 # yeah the tag database won't show inmediately 05.04.09 # on the top right corner of the display a little disc will appear 05.04.15 # this is the TagCache database being made 05.04.47 # wait until it has finished updating, turn the player off, then back on, it'll commit the TagCache database, and you've got beautiful ipod-like interface for music!!! 05.05.07 # man.. thanks! 05.05.50 # no prob 05.06.42 # you might also want to set Directory Cache on 05.06.51 # so loading folders won't take ages 05.07.26 # for this go to the "main menu", then to General Settings->System->Disk->Directory Cache->On 05.07.31 # you'll also have to reboot for that 05.08.19 # man your a champion! you make my life alot easier :D 05.08.53 # haha 05.08.53 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.08.53 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.09.58 # hey do i view music by going iPod_control->Music? 05.10.48 # if you've got tag cache on, that shouldn't be that way 05.10.57 # but i guess 05.11.02 Quit chendo (Connection timed out) 05.11.05 # ok, go to the playback screen 05.11.26 # (i don't have an iPod so i'm basically going to say this by what I assume should be) 05.11.38 # hold the Menu botton 05.11.56 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-98-2.dyn.iinet.net.au) 05.11.56 # err some way change Show Files to tag cache 05.12.02 # hold the play button 05.12.07 # to bring up the quick menu 05.12.17 # er, shit, no, you're right 05.12.19 # play 05.12.46 # better listen to him, i'm just talking out of my ass in what controls is based on 05.13.14 # i've grown used to my X5's controls and getting to use my friend's H10 was a hassle alone 05.13.47 # crap, I meant 'you're right, menu' 05.13.59 # holding down play is stop on ipods 05.14.13 # oh ok 05.14.15 # lol 05.14.25 # this is pretty confusing 05.14.31 # it must be 05.14.38 # too much code... can't think in english anymore 05.14.47 # haha 05.15.18 # theres no show files->tagcache 05.15.30 # hmm 05.15.45 # it says "ID3 database" 05.15.56 # it must be on the bottom 05.16.02 Quit pagefault (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.16.08 Quit vertic420 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.16.13 # oh that one 05.16.30 # now where do i go to play my music? 05.16.31 # the screen where there's something on the right, left, and bottom 05.16.59 # man, i'm sorry, but everything related to controls on the ipod for rockbox, i know nothing about 05.16.59 # yep in there 05.17.03 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.17.05 # oh ok 05.17.07 # nah i understand u 05.17.26 # yeah, try viewing the manual 05.17.33 # at least the controls part 05.18.38 # yep working thanks! 05.18.48 Quit ShadowdogMU (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.18.53 # awesome, you're welcomed 05.19.40 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 05.20.14 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 05.22.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.24.52 Quit pabs (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.26.19 # anybody knows of any plans of the rockbox team to include picture view in the id3 database? 05.26.37 # like have a folder that allows you to see the pictures the player has? 05.49.47 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 05.51.32 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.51.41 Quit solarflare ("Leaving") 06.06.19 Quit dimatrod ("Leaving") 06.17.36 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.20.01 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181116216.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.28.22 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.35.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp51-177.adsl.forthnet.gr) 06.35.48 Join webguest29 [0] (i=4b16ec58@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3c36c7bd3202657d) 06.36.05 # does profiling work on ipods? 06.37.07 # Does anyone know where the FAQ went on the rockbox website? 06.37.49 # the wiki 06.40.19 Quit webguest29 (Client Quit) 06.43.36 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.48.32 Quit Burn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.53.17 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 06.53.34 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.54.16 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 06.54.51 Quit solarflare (Client Quit) 06.54.52 Quit webguest56 ("CGI:IRC") 06.55.00 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 06.55.36 Quit pagefault ("Leaving") 06.59.20 Join EspeonEfi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-TWO-EIGHTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) 06.59.20 Quit EspeonEefi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.03.37 Quit EspeonEfi (Client Quit) 07.06.10 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@71-34-66-241.ptld.qwest.net) 07.17.23 Join evilkorn [0] (n=evilkorn@adsl-11-99-34.mia.bellsouth.net) 07.23.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.23.58 Join Burn [0] (i=8a8271d8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 07.26.46 Quit evilkorn ("Quit") 07.27.37 # So out of curiousity, can you use rockbox -and- itunes with an ipod? 07.27.49 # there's a couple features I like in itunes (Mostly all about playlist support) 07.28.36 # you know orkcbox's playlist features are much better than itunes right? 07.28.39 # but, yes, you cn 07.29.28 # what features exactly? 07.29.30 # orkcbox? 07.29.35 # rockbox 07.29.40 # oh heh 07.29.46 # scorche: Mostly the dynamic playlists. 07.29.53 # "Generate a playlist with 500 songs that I've never rated" etc. 07.30.08 # and it automagically updates that playlist next time you sync if you rate your songs on the ipod. 07.34.14 # * godzirra peers at the channel 07.34.16 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-158-42.dyn-dsl.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 07.34.53 # hey can somebody tell me how do i get my CVS build onto my ipod? jus copy and paste? 07.35.19 # yes 07.35.53 # JdGordon: So can rockbox do that? And how? And why is rockbox's playlist features much better? 07.36.00 # Not arguing that it isn't, I'm just not clueful. 07.36.10 # I've always used rockbox on my H-120 but never r eally played around with the playlist functions. 07.36.39 # well.. no, i dont tihnk rockbox can do that... but thats not something i would rate very highly as a good playlist function :p 07.36.44 # its got more functions for searching your songs if you have a big archive 07.37.04 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 07.37.31 # JdGordon: It was a function I enjoyed. *shrugs* 07.37.56 # I've wanted to play with tag cache but for some reason it didnt work well on my iriver. 07.38.37 # anyway, to actually answer your first q. if u put your music on using itunes, and use tagcache then yes u can use both 07.38.56 Quit Burn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.39.35 # So I flash my ipod. Then put on all the music using itunes... then use tagcache.... 07.39.49 # But then I can't drag and drop my music, right? Because it will be in the weird itunes naming convention? 07.40.07 # yes 07.40.32 # Hrm. 07.40.47 # No way to get the music over there via drag and drop and then do something that itunes will recognize? 07.40.55 # no 07.41.05 # I know foopod in foobar 2000 had something, but apparently it stopped working with a newer version of... something. Rockbox, itunes, not sure which 07.41.08 # maybe another program can be used to make the db 07.41.35 # I have a little program that generates a tagcache db from iTunesDB, sort of the opposite of what you want... 07.42.13 # heh.. story of my life. 07.42.29 # FARK!!!!!! 07.43.34 Join burn [0] (i=8a8271d8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 07.43.53 # does anyone know where i can find pacman games for my rockbox? 07.43.55 # i think i might actually kill my computer or my h300... i cant figure out this stupid bug :'( 07.44.07 # burn: you have 3 chioces :p 07.44.14 # the actual pacman emulator (wiki) 07.44.16 # ok 07.44.25 # get a rockboy pacman rom 07.44.32 # or get a zx spectrum rom 07.44.45 # rockboy doesnt work for me 07.44.50 # the controls are stuffed 07.45.38 # where is the pacman emulator? 07.45.45 # wiki 07.45.51 # yea? 07.45.57 # yeah! 07.46.07 # can u be mroe exact? 07.46.14 # lol i cant find it 07.46.24 # -_- 07.46.27 # um.. the plugin list page should point to it 07.46.31 # name pacbox 07.46.48 # ya im on that page 07.46.53 # no downloads for emu 07.47.19 # the emu is part of rockbox.zip... u need to download the roms from google 07.47.28 Join mordov [0] (n=mordov@mail.furuno.no) 07.47.44 # ok could you gimme a site? 07.47.53 # google.com 07.48.33 # lol 07.49.20 # roms are technically illegal. Go search if you wanmt them. 07.49.32 # only if you don't own the game 07.49.59 # dj-fu: not necessarily, in the US at least 07.50.00 # lol 07.50.08 # touche 07.50.12 # meh 07.50.20 # everything is illegal in the us 07.50.26 # course they're illegal, but everyone does illegal stuff 07.50.35 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.50.36 # that doesn't mean we promote it here, burn 07.50.49 # i download roms all the time,and music 07.50.54 # that's nice 07.50.58 # I hope you burn in hell for piracy 07.51.01 # enough of the illegal talk please 07.51.12 # ya 07.51.19 # case closed 07.54.53 Quit burn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.00.43 Join pike2k [0] (i=amiga@c83-249-120-24.bredband.comhem.se) 08.02.56 Quit Zagor (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.04.07 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 08.07.41 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 08.10.47 # jhMikeS: Spinup time can't be a fixed definition. It depends on a lot of factors 08.12.26 # ooo I saw the new iRiver s10 tody. looks realy neat and sexy :) will you guys port rockbox to it ? I might have to buy one 08.12.36 # You can just use an average value estimated from previous spinups and add some safety margin, and use a worst-case time if there are no previous spinups available for estimation 08.13.17 # The hwcodec playback code does that (unlike the swcodec playback code btw, which still uses a silly logic!) 08.13.31 # mordov: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 08.14.27 # jhMikeS: There can _never_ be a guarantee that you can write in time (on HDD based targets), even if you would keep the drive spinning 08.16.51 # hcs: Profiling should work on ipods, but the script for processing the log data doesn't work for arm afaik. Probably because of the sectioned compilation we're doing for arm targets. 08.16.54 # dentify the components 08.16.55 # Using your scans, contact your electronic savvy friends and use search engines to track down what every chip on the PCB is. I might be one of the savvages ;) so I don't thinl the rest aply to me :) 08.17.13 # amiconn: couldn't fit it in ram with profiling data anyway 08.17.15 # amiconn: approximate is good though...I figure 2-3 seconds is safe? 08.17.36 # Not on iriver and x5. 08.17.55 # It takes a couple to wind up on x5 08.17.55 # These 1.8" disks have really long spinup times for some reason 08.18.00 # hey guys, i've got a problem.... for some reason the menu recodig patch keeps the cpu boosted and the codec buffer doesnt get anywhere near full... I have commented out all my cpu intensive code (which doesnt touch the boost) and i doesnt fix anything. can anyone suggest how to try figuring out whats causing it? 08.18.18 # The spinup times measurements are shown in the debug menu 08.18.19 # I need to compensate for it somewhat esp. at high datarates 08.18.54 # Slightly more than 3s afair 08.19.18 Quit matsl (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.20.16 # So for any particular player/HD you can't know it in advance? 08.20.30 # no 08.20.32 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 08.21.15 # So you're saying that a particular player...even x5 to x5 is going to vary so much I can't even have a good rule of thumb for it? 08.21.37 # The device can be shaking, effectively preventing the harddisk from doing any access - for minutes... 08.21.40 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 08.22.07 # and the same device can have different hd models that vary 08.22.38 # amiconn: we'll I'm not talking about that sort of thing but if you're just leaving in on the table and recording something, not jogging. 08.22.57 # You can use a rule of thumb if you add enough safety margin - but you can never be 100% sure the disk will be ready in time 08.23.22 # For recording I would probably use 10 seconds or more on swcodec targets with enough ram 08.23.39 # It will be closer to ready...if you're beating on it that much then flush will fail anyway. 08.24.08 # You're saying 10 seconds for it sitting on the table? I know my x5 is about 3 just sitting there (60gb) 08.24.16 # yes 08.24.46 # The measured spinup time is a bit above 3 seconds, that's correct 08.25.15 # To just power up the drive use ide_power_enable and that will start it? 08.25.31 # That's the value I observbed on all my 1.8" targets (H140, H340 and X5 20GB) 08.25.44 # nope 08.25.47 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 08.25.52 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 08.26.02 # The disk will spin up if it's accessed 08.26.03 # What do you have to do just to have it spinning then? 08.26.56 # What sort of access won't change the file pointer, won't be delayed through the cache etc? 08.27.03 # why? 08.27.20 # To spin it in advance of writing. 08.27.40 # Just start you flush operation the appropriate number of seconds before you actually run out of buffer 08.28.21 # You cannot just tell the ata code to spin up the disk without accessing it, and it wouldn't make sense to implement that 08.28.22 # I though about that but don't know really if I want to 08.29.34 # It's how all other buffering systems do it (hwcodec playback in the core, swcodec playback, hwcodec wavplay plugin, and hwcodec recording) 08.30.12 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.30.39 # hwcodec playback uses the measured values for dynamic adjustment of the low watermark, all others use fixed (or user-adjustable) watermarks 08.32.08 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-158-42.dyn-dsl.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 08.32.23 # amiconn: that's always measure for us? 08.33.22 # Well, that would be a sensible way to adjust anyway. 08.34.10 Quit dj-fu (Client Quit) 08.38.17 # ok which hwcodec file does what you're talking about? 08.38.35 Join Vyle [0] (i=Vyle@d141-155-213.home.cgocable.net) 08.38.38 # mpeg.c (the hwcodec playback engine) 08.39.07 # mpeg.c contains both the playback and recording engine 08.39.23 # Only playback uses measured value + safety margin 08.41.02 # Is the iPod Nano install manual on rockbox.org the most up-to-date install instructions? It mentions it might be out of date and to check the wiki, but i couldn't find anything on the wiki about it 08.44.31 Quit theli_ua (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.44.35 Join theli_ [0] (n=theli@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 08.44.39 # ok it's ata_spinup_time 08.44.48 Quit Vyle () 08.45.47 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 08.46.55 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 08.49.52 # I see it's updated whenever spinup is needed during a transfer 08.50.46 # yes 08.51.33 # It can be zero if no spinup happened before (seen by the driver code) 08.56.34 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54874FC2.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.56.55 Quit chendo (Connection timed out) 08.57.18 Part midgey34_ 08.58.11 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-98-2.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.58.36 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.58.40 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.58.40 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 08.59.21 # suppose I should limit if it's ridiculously long (1 min) since you say that can occur 08.59.34 # *for example 1min rather 09.01.29 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-27-137.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.01.39 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.04.50 Join arnold [0] (n=arnold@85.126.109.250) 09.05.07 # anyone can answer a question about ipod and itrip ? 09.05.38 # I own both, what's the question? 09.06.00 # i have a 4 gen ipod and the itrip 09.06.04 # is it working with rockbox ? 09.06.32 # there is no current support for itrips 09.06.51 # the old style itrips worked fine with rockbox... 09.07.11 # where you have to program them with beeps from the ipod 09.07.21 # which old ones? 09.07.33 # ok i think i have such an itrip 09.07.41 # I don't know model numbers or anything, I just know I have one, and it works fine 09.07.42 # its a white one where i have to play an mp3 file 09.07.48 # for the frequency 09.07.49 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.07.49 # the cylindrical thing with a single red led 09.07.50 # yeah 09.07.56 # afaik, they only worded if they got a power supply from the ipod 09.08.01 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.08.04 # ok 09.08.04 # they had to be modified with a battery or something 09.08.07 # thx for the help 09.08.13 # will try to setup rockbox now 09.08.21 # scorche: I've used mine without any modification 09.09.04 # hrm...i have heard the opposite.. 09.09.05 # man, high samplrate recording on WavPack will need an emergency priority boost as well. 09.09.06 # * scorche shrugs 09.13.51 Quit arnold ("leaving") 09.14.59 Quit Zagor (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.15.38 Quit ender` (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era") 09.15.59 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.18.35 # NSF player patch now up. 09.18.50 # needs a lot of work, so get to it 09.21.26 Quit idnar (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 09.22.24 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 09.22.51 # hcs: cool 09.23.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.27.08 # and now I will sleep to Kirby's Adventure 09.27.46 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.31.47 Quit chendo (Operation timed out) 09.32.34 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-98-2.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.34.43 Join bluebrother [0] (i=u2V2lqoh@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 09.42.23 Quit chendo (Operation timed out) 09.43.10 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-98-2.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.46.21 # LinusN: I'm adding support for playlist recoding. Should I add support for UTF-16 encoded playlists as well? 09.47.14 # markun: what exactly is the problem with the playlist encoding? 09.47.36 # shouldn't it work if i set the correct code page? 09.47.43 # LinusN: m3u files are normally saved in the windows codepage 09.47.52 # Yes, then it will work 09.48.24 # I will change rockbox to save to m3u8, so some people might have to rename their playlists if this ever gets committed. 09.59.05 Quit chendo (Operation timed out) 09.59.19 # markun, how to detect utf-16? 09.59.52 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-98-2.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.00.37 # bluebrother: I don't. I now use the iso_recode function, which has no support for UTF-16 10.01.14 # iso_decode.. 10.01.54 # markun, I was thinking about a different way to open text files that may contain a utf8 bom. 10.02.42 # instead of checking for the bom in every place (fm presets, cfg files, etc) use a open_utf8 function that works like open but points the fd to the first text byte 10.03.09 # is this a useful way? 10.04.23 # Yes, I would think so. 10.04.44 # nice. Then I'll look into making a patch for this the next days. 10.05.06 # as I finally have time again :) 10.08.33 Join SCVirus [0] (n=opera@S010600528d4554f2.vs.shawcable.net) 10.09.05 Part SCVirus 10.11.14 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-69-210-246-88.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 10.18.51 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.25.54 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-100-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.28.48 # LinusN, I just resynced the fm region patch (FS#5929) and would like to get it into cvs (if there are no objections) 10.29.02 # lemme check 10.29.09 # should I ask someone for commiting or is it ok if I work on that myself? 10.29.16 # haven't uploaded to FS yet, second. 10.30.27 # damn, browser crashed. 10.31.55 # LinusN, posted. I tried building for h120, x5 and ondio fm 10.32.23 # sim too? 10.33.08 # no, only target 10.33.20 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.33.24 # but there weren't much changes -- just the configuration values weren't at the end anymore 10.33.49 # * bluebrother builds sim h120 10.34.59 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-227-213.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 10.36.16 # * bluebrother considers the h120 sim working fine 10.36.32 # bluebrother: i like it 10.36.42 # :) 10.36.49 Join DarthLappy [0] (n=Angus@58.168.251.129) 10.37.01 # commnit it when you feel ready 10.37.06 # commit even 10.37.09 Part DarthLappy 10.37.13 # great, will do. 10.39.09 Nick theli_ is now known as theli_ua (n=theli@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 10.41.45 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 10.42.05 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 10.47.19 Quit lucaferr (Connection timed out) 10.49.16 # LinusN: Does FM regions work on the archos fmr? I have no idea whether the samsung tuner (driver?) will handle it... 10.49.44 # the samsung tuner can't set the deemphasis 10.49.58 # but it should silently ignore it 10.50.27 # Does it handle the different frequency range? 10.51.25 # it should, but i guess i'll have to test it 10.51.36 # i wonder how... 10.52.11 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.52.54 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.54.07 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 10.55.09 # thanks for fixing that up Bagder 10.55.15 # np 10.55.55 # does the directory structure for the ipod target look ok for committing? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890 10.55.58 # btw, have we seen any cvs build hangs since i fixed the build script? 10.56.07 # LinusN: nopes 10.56.09 # * barrywardell is afraid of cvs and directories 10.56.16 # Bagder: kewl 10.56.28 # yeps, cool indeed 10.56.53 # this bug fascinates me: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6068 11.01.39 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 11.05.37 Part theli_ua ("Leaving") 11.05.44 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 11.07.18 # where is the code for the main thread loop? 11.07.42 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-35-91.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.08.16 # JdGordon: everywhere 11.08.47 # each screen and menu contains a loop 11.08.51 # _something_ is causing the main thread to stay active and starve the codec thread, and i have no idea what, or even wehere to start looking :'( 11.09.10 # JdGordon: are you sure it's the main thread? 11.09.31 # no, but thats the thread that stays with the * in the stacks debug screen 11.09.58 # maybe a button_get_w_tmo() that has a too short timeout? 11.10.37 # does the ui hang? 11.11.02 # JdGordon: what does the * mean? 11.11.26 # I havnt added any button loops, and no, the ui feels fine, but the codec buffers stay very low 11.11.36 # doesnt the * mean that thread is running? 11.11.54 # well, when the stacks are displayed, the main thread is always running 11.12.25 # since it is the main thread that does the drawing 11.12.27 # yes, I know, but the * does move between threads on that screen 11.12.48 # well.. it usually does, but with the oatched build it doesnt, unless playback has stopped 11.13.21 # coule it be the scroll thread? 11.13.26 # could even 11.14.42 # i dont think so, there is no scrolling on the screen and the debug screen says scroll is sleeping 11.16.55 # The * means ready or running iirc 11.17.13 # main is always running when displaying the list, of course 11.18.01 # JdGordon: iirc, there is a short-latency mode in the dsp code, so the user can hear the eq changes in the eq screen 11.18.10 # maybe that is still active? 11.18.57 # i don't even know if that makes a difference... 11.18.58 Quit belze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.19.26 # :'( i have no idea... all i know is that pcmbuf and playback are not unboosting, and its not even buffereing very much of the track.. and my ~200kb patch is causing it but i have no idea why 11.19.41 Part aliask 11.19.58 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.20.37 # pondlife: i used your boost tracing patch, and ive found the 2 calls that dont get unboosted, but that doesnt help me unfortunalty :'( 11.21.10 # JdGordon: What did you patch? If it's your track-the-dirs-for-dir-shuffle thing, I'd suspect that... 11.21.21 # nope, the menu/settings recode 11.21.24 # JdGordon: which calls? 11.21.36 # New ones or old ones 11.21.43 # old 11.21.50 # pcmbuf.c and playback.c 11.22.02 # Both?! 11.22.28 # pcmbuf should be pretty good at unboosting now, it auto unboosts when there's nothing left to play 11.22.33 # 90% of the time... sometimes only pcmbuf.c stays boosted 11.22.49 # Hmm, I assume you're on the latest version 11.22.51 # when playback stops it goes back to normal.. 11.22.54 # yes 11.23.01 # and my patch doesnt go near there 11.23.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.23.18 # JdGordon: but your patch does mess with the limits settings? 11.23.38 # maybe the mp3 buffer is ridiculously small? 11.23.56 # hmm.... could be 11.23.58 # checking 11.24.00 # Put some logfs in on the boosts and see why it's doing it? 11.24.08 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-158-42.dyn-dsl.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 11.24.28 Quit damaki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.24.41 # Did you like the boost tracker by the way? I find it fun to watch... but then I have no hobbies 11.25.02 # LinusN: the audio thread debug screen shows the buffer is about 27mb tho, or does it always show that much even with a small limit? 11.25.13 # pondlife: haha, ye, its useful 11.25.28 # JdGordon: it shows the actual size of the audio buffer 11.25.35 # I may commit it. It doesn't get enabled on Archos anyway, so hopefully no memory worries 11.25.48 # pondlife: do so 11.26.17 # I would have already but for the fear of amiconn and his anti-bloat stick 11.27.03 # lostlogic: around? 11.27.10 # LinusN: the only limits settings are max files in dir and max playlist size. or is there other non-user ones? 11.27.14 # Or any playback-types...? 11.27.31 # JdGordon: well, the dir cache and the tag cache 11.27.51 # but they are included in the buffer size calculation 11.28.15 # I have reproduced a case where unneeded rebuffering occurs and believe I have a fix. 11.28.15 # pondlife: What boost tracker? You can track the # of cpu_boost calls in the debug menu anyway... 11.28.31 # Yes, but my patch shows where the boosts are coming from too. 11.28.38 # amiconn: yes, but not who boosted it 11.29.22 # I'll commit it, once I've disentangled it from my current playback work 11.29.25 # LinusN: you think dircache_size is being set too big? 11.29.33 # JdGordon: no 11.29.55 # JdGordon: best just to put some logfs in and work out why pcmbuf is unhappy enough to boost. 11.30.08 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 11.30.13 # the audio debug thread shows the actual size of the audio buffer 11.30.51 # JdGordon: is the audio buffer near empry too? 11.30.56 # empty even 11.31.41 # could it be that your ata callback messes up the loading of the tracks? 11.31.48 # pcm buffer stays between 60k-100k, codedc stays very low, it fills up to about 300kb 11.31.54 # i didsblaed that 11.32.07 # ok, what is the ata idle timeout? 11.32.07 # disabled even 11.32.38 # 5s 11.33.02 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-7-208.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 11.33.09 # logf should tell you why it stops loading the track 11.34.19 # grrr.... i tihnk you just hinted to it... 11.34.33 # bloody anti-skip buffer setting 11.34.38 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.35.31 # it was set to 5s... maybe thats the problem 11.35.45 # what is the point of that setting anyway? shouldnt it always buffer untill its full? 11.36.18 # the question is when it should start filling the buffer again 11.37.38 # anti-skip=5s shouldn't be a problem 11.39.21 # changing it to 60s doesnt seem to have done anything 11.40.58 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3023.gwdg.de) 11.41.31 # no, i lie, (i was at the end of the folder)... it buffers up to about 400k now, but still stays boosted and pcm buffer stays really low 11.42.55 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 11.44.43 # 400k? it should be 27 megs 11.45.07 # it goes up to 400k, the total is about 27mb tho 11.45.25 # no i am confused 11.45.27 # now 11.45.34 # does it buffer 400k or not? 11.45.36 # logf currently says "pcm_starting, buffer margin: 60s, buf len:3" if that means anything 11.45.53 # it goes to ~ 400000 / 27000000 11.46.04 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 11.47.33 # scratch that.. its hovering around 140000 / 26100000 11.48.30 # logf syas "partiallybuf: 1131072B" "buf: 104B"...? 11.49.03 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 11.49.36 # new aproach time.... how do i checkout cvs from a certain date? i want to try patching the old source with the early versions of the patch and see if the problem is there also 11.49.47 # cvs update -D 2006-12-06 I think 11.50.01 # change the date obviously 11.50.21 # do i need to do a regular checkout first? 11.50.35 # that probably works for checkout as well 11.51.00 # JdGordon: how are your crossfade settings? 11.51.31 # LinusN: crossfade is off 11.52.02 # JdGordon: What audio format? 11.52.02 # the value after "buf:" is the pcm buffer size 11.52.27 # pondlife: mp3, but was happening with ogg also 11.53.23 # how big is the file? 11.54.08 # 7mb 11.54.26 # but this isnt a track problem... aliask pointed out the bug and im fairly sure we dont have the same songs 11.54.45 # is the patch in the wiki up-to-date? 11.55.00 # Does it happen with a CVS build? 11.55.15 # LinusN: i tinhk so, its missing 1 file which is attacked 11.55.20 # pondlife: yes, cvs works fine 11.55.26 # * amiconn tried crossfeed today 11.55.40 # * JdGordon likes crossfeed 11.55.46 # I must say I can't hear a difference between enabled and disabled 11.55.52 # too bad the name is similar to crosfade :p 11.56.02 # amiconn: that depends a little on the track you're playing 11.56.11 # Try some Beatles 11.56.24 # or early bowie 11.56.28 # I don't have that 11.57.06 # Any 60s "stereo" recordings? 11.58.27 # Which targets don't support frequency scaling at all? 11.58.43 # ...but do build ok 11.59.14 # Any equalizer using people around? Should the precut always be set to the same value as the largest gain, e.g. +6 dB max gain therefore -6 dB precut? 11.59.44 # safetydan: in my world, that should guarantee a safe precut 12.00.23 # but i guess preglow is the man to ask 12.00.36 # LinusN, same as in mine. Just thinking about setting the precut in these EQ presets that I might commit 12.01.11 # i think an automatic precut should make the eq setting a lot easier for inexperienced users 12.01.32 # noes! 12.01.40 # :-) 12.01.47 # that got his attention 12.01.53 # this is exactly what we did with the internal prescale for the treble/boost 12.02.12 # and you might remember me protesting that somewhat vehemently, heh 12.02.56 # i don't remember having a precut setting in the cowon firmware, but i might be wrong 12.03.21 # i don't like behaviour like this for a couple of reasons. a) there's nothing that says clipping will occur. if the user knows it won't happen, then rockbox shouldn't force a precut. b) nothing else that i know of does stuff like thsi 12.03.52 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 12.04.04 # people are (or really, really should) be acccustomed to stuff distorting if tweaked too far anyway 12.04.10 # otoh, i don't remember if the cowon fw allowed positive gain 12.04.15 # the lord of parantheses 12.04.23 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.04.38 # precut is a pretty normal thing to have on eqs 12.04.43 # but having it autoadjusted isn't 12.04.48 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.05.54 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 12.06.35 # amiconn: Old recordings usually have completely different stereo channels (half instruments on the left channel, other half on the right - and usually vocals on both) You can hear difference with crossfeed on such recordings 12.07.25 Quit petur ("lunch") 12.08.01 # * JdGordon oesnt think cvs update -D 2006-11-09 worked 12.08.28 # LinusN: does the cowon fw have a proper eq anyway? 12.10.28 # is the ipod target tree patch is OK for committing now? are the directory names OK with everyone? 12.11.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890 12.12.00 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 12.14.00 # Oops, more red 12.15.02 # tisk tisk !!! 12.15.29 # * scorche rushes to go check the score 12.15.32 # * JdGordon gives up 12.15.45 # JdGordon: you have other bugs to fix too! =P 12.16.13 # hehe ye, wanna try the fixed keymap again? 12.16.23 # if another build is ready 12.16.30 # Almost 12.16.43 # Another mysterious failure caused by my ability to type in the wrong window 12.17.22 # scorche: i still have no idea why the cancel dialogs dont work.. 12.17.26 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-139-215.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.17.38 # amiconn: does the recorder do some wierd voodoo so the stop button doesnt always trigger? 12.17.48 # i will have a look at the code when i get a chance if you want 12.18.54 # sent to your gmail 12.19.37 # OK, fix in CVS now... wait for the build 12.20.15 # It would be funnier if it wasn't always the H300 build that I broke - given that's my test device 12.20.58 # well, if it makes you feel any better, i find it amusing 12.21.25 # Bagder, LinusN: Shouldn't be "iPod 3rd gen" in the front page, too? 12.21.56 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 12.22.18 # does the nano have boost? 12.24.01 # Bagder: i know its no big deal, but is it possible to change the cvs build table script to use a different colour for the flash full errrors instead of red? 12.26.36 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-139-215.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.28.15 Quit Kohlrabi (Client Quit) 12.28.34 # JdGordon: why? 12.28.42 # coz the red is annoying :D 12.28.47 # isn't rombox too big a serious enough error? 12.29.07 # honestly.. no... seen as nothing seems to be done about it 12.29.13 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 12.29.13 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 12.29.25 # that's just because there's no developers for those devices 12.29.30 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.29.51 # scorche: is it good to go? 12.30.40 # JdGordon: heh...for some odd reason you landed in my junk folder the second time around 12.31.00 # hehe probably because the entire message text was . 12.32.58 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-35-91.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.32.58 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.33.05 # scorche: does the yesno screen work at all? maybe the off dialogs dont work because the recorder doesnt like non-blocking button calls? 12.33.21 # JdGordon: pages are fixed 12.33.23 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.33.35 # ok, ta 12.33.40 # JdGordon: example of a yes/no screen 12.33.42 # ? 12.33.44 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.33.52 # delete a file? 12.34.38 # yes/no works fine 12.36.05 # hmm... do you think we could use that fr the shutdown screen instead then? you'd have topress off then play tho instead of double off 12.36.18 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@promi22.zmms.TU-Berlin.DE) 12.36.44 # i would much prefer the double off....but that is avoiding the issue....the other OFFs like press OFF to cancel still dont work 12.37.00 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-158-42.dyn-dsl.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 12.37.00 # avoiding != fixing ;) 12.37.06 # hmm... true 12.37.31 # can you exit the debug screens with off? 12.37.44 # if it helps at all, when you press OFF at a dialog screen, it clears that pop-up instead of doing nothing until it goes away at 2 seconds or so 12.38.00 # yes 12.38.13 Quit dj-fu (Client Quit) 12.38.29 # it clears the screen but continues whatever it was doing? 12.38.48 # well, in the case of the press OFF to shutdown 12.38.57 # in the press OFF to cancel, no effect 12.39.28 # and in the OFF to shutdown, it just goes back to the dir browser which is where it was 12.39.45 # well, i should say goes back...clears the dialog 12.39.50 # s/should/shouldnt 12.40.10 # safetydan: i'm not convinced we should set the precut. how do the apple presets work, for example? do they ever distort? 12.40.47 # scorche: ok, i got a possible fix for the shutdown screen... is a patch easier for you? or rather me to keep building it? 12.41.33 # sent 12.41.38 # you building is easier of course...but i can make do with a patch ;) 12.41.38 # preglow, I didn't notice any distortion but I haven't listened in detail. 12.41.55 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 12.42.46 # anywho, not too important, if people complain, we fix 12.43.56 # pretty much 12.46.04 # BAH! 12.46.18 # this is why i stopped plugging my ajbr in regularly... 12.46.54 # everytime i plug it in, i am scared of if it will trigger the computer into an instant reboot 12.47.15 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966DEC.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.47.34 # scorche: my sisters nano does that to my comp 12.47.58 # JdGordon: midk said his ajbr did it also 12.48.04 # * scorche shrugs 12.48.30 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-149-50.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 12.48.43 Quit MadDog011 (Remote closed the connection) 12.49.40 # Try a different USB port. I vaguely recall some systems have underpowered USB ports and will reboot or do other odd things when something asks for full power from the bus. 12.50.10 # safetydan: ajbrs dont ask for full power 12.50.20 # they charge from an external charger 12.50.31 # ah... well ignore me then :) 12.51.18 # i feel bad for my ajbr though...i havent been giving it attention since i got my nano... 12.51.25 # maybe it is just lashing out 12.52.11 # pondlife: btw, you could have just implemented cpu_boost as a macro and use for example __FILE__ statement that would automatically tell the filename 12.52.50 # I could have, but wanted to keep the storage size as low as possible. 12.52.56 # i don't think that CPUBOOSTID is really necessary 12.53.00 # Is there __LINE__ too under gcc? 12.53.04 # yes 12.53.19 # OK, that would be useful 12.53.22 # pondlife: it seems as if your patch fixes the issue with the noise. at least on my first test the playback didn't stop after the first track of the second album and the song that was playing while rebuffering didn't play longer than it should. but i will try to reproduce a few times more. 12.53.43 # pondlife: i have used that before 12.53.46 Quit idnar ("brb") 12.53.49 # PaulJam: I've got another rebuffering fix here too 12.53.56 # just re-defined the cpu_boost as a macro to include filename and linenumber 12.54.00 # scorche: shutdown works? 12.54.07 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.54.09 # that is has been easy to track all boosts without touching other files at all 12.54.10 # JdGordon: havent tested yet...was rebooting 12.54.16 # ok 12.54.17 # *then 12.54.26 # Slasheri: OK, do you want to do it? ;-p 12.54.26 # and that is easy to turn on/off 12.54.35 # hmm :D 12.54.48 # Sorry, deep in playback.c at the mo. Just put it in there so JDGordon could play. 12.54.57 # np :) 12.55.13 # JdGordon: eek...now the box comes up when OFF is held 12.55.25 # and goes away as soon as you release it 12.56.02 # hmm... ok 12.56.57 # and OFF to abort still has no effect 12.58.28 Quit psiborg ("Ex-Chat") 13.06.56 # pondlife: morning 13.07.02 # Morning 13.07.15 # Quick question in playback.c (where else?) 13.07.24 # nod 13.07.41 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 13.07.56 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.07.59 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.08.02 # I'm working from a diff here, so bear with me... 13.08.07 # Search for "Start with the remainder of the previously playing track " 13.08.29 # I think the following line "amount = tracks[old_track_ridx].filesize - ci.curpos" ... 13.08.46 # ... should actually be "amount = tracks[old_track_ridx].filerem" 13.09.15 # That certainly fixes http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5906 13.09.30 # This being the audio thread... 13.10.08 # Any opinion? 13.10.24 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 13.11.06 # filerem is how much of the file is left to read from disk 13.11.20 # Ah, not how much is left in the buffer 13.11.36 # right 13.11.48 # So filesize-filerem? 13.12.25 # hmm... might require 3 variables 13.12.33 # codecsize? 13.12.44 # or not allow that function to be called when the current track is not fully buffered. 13.12.56 # which is probably more correct 13.13.10 Join webguest666 [0] (i=54996d11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.13.18 # * barrywardell gets a new high score :) 13.13.52 # hehe :) 13.13.53 # lostlogic: It's pretty essential to call.. it 's used to detect if the current track is fully buffered. 13.14.09 # (or rather the next track) 13.14.32 # bluebrother has put in a lot of work with his FM patch, FS 5929, could a dev please commit it, dying to try the FM radio with improvements 13.14.33 # right, but then if the current track is was not fully buffered and we're winding forward to the next track, it's _clear_ that we need to dump out immediately 13.14.43 # so if cur_ti->filerem != 0 return false 13.15.00 # webguest666, I'm about doing this myself in the next time. 13.15.02 # barrywardell: nice score! 13.15.06 # I'm trying not to use cur_ti.. 13.15.07 Quit webguest666 (Client Quit) 13.15.18 # but I don't want to mess with barrywardell's score ;-) 13.15.31 # oh ... gone. That was quick. 13.15.47 Join webguest666 [0] (i=54996d11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-58399bc95e4448db) 13.16.02 # pondlife tracks[old_track_ridx].filerem != 0 13.16.11 # OK 13.16.45 # "if the current track isn't fully buffered, clearly the next track isn't on the buffer" 13.16.58 # finger trouble... bluebrother, any chance that your patch will get committed 13.17.23 # webguest666, as I said I'll do it in the near future. 13.17.35 # k, thanks 13.17.41 # got green light from LinusN this morning :) 13.18.00 # great 13.18.40 Part webguest666 13.18.45 # and thanks for not using cur_ti and reminding me that it's _WRONG_ to use it in those buffer winding functions ;) 13.19.02 # i'll be a little while fixing all those build errors. have to compile sims for all ipod targets to test fixes! 13.19.26 # I'd like to scrap cur_ti and prev_ti someday 13.19.58 # pondlife: yeah -- I'd actually tried to drop them once or twice and failed 13.20.13 # I remember... :) 13.20.13 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.20.17 # pondlife: metadata on buffer changes the whole thing so it's not really worth going into the analysis until after that 13.20.33 # That's why I called you in 13.20.48 # barrywardell: At least one problem is removing #define IPOD_ARCH from the config files - you should restore that. 13.23.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.25.18 # yup, that should fix the bootloader builds 13.26.31 # barrywardell, you introduced firmware/target/arm/ipod/3g/backlight-3g.c but also firmware/target/arm/ipod/backlight-4g_color.c. Shouldn't be those in the same folder? Looks weird to me 13.26.52 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.26.53 # 3g is specific to the 3g ipod 13.27.09 # backlight-3g is for one target, backlight-4g-color is for both the 4g (greyscale) and the Color/Photo 13.27.11 # backlight-4g_color.c applies to two ipod models - 4g and color 13.27.19 # ah. ok. 13.28.00 # There will hopefully be more 3g-specific code in the future as well, which should go in a 3g/ directory. 13.28.24 # there is a lot of common code between other ipods, but the 3g is quite different 13.29.17 # I was a bit puzzled as the type is also in the filename 13.30.09 # barrywardell: the move to target_tree will also help my wmcodec generalisation, so thanks 13.30.20 # great :) 13.30.37 # bluebrother: All the target-tree code does that - e.g. iaudio/x5/power-x5.c 13.32.42 # barrywardell: firmware/SOURCES still has drivers/pcf50605.c surrounded by #ifdef IPOD_ARCH... 13.32.57 # * bluebrother hopes to get to know the code better in the next weeks (more free time!) 13.33.12 # i just added IPOD_ARCH back in to all the ipod config files 13.33.36 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 13.33.50 # You need to delete the #ifdef IPOD_ARCH from SOURCES - the same file is already included in each of the individual ipod sections. 13.34.08 # ah yes, thanks for the tip 13.36.25 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-149-50.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 13.36.29 Quit MadDog011 (Remote closed the connection) 13.38.23 # getting there... 13.38.36 # i'll fix the two sim builds in a little while 13.39.01 Quit barrywardell () 13.45.15 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.46.43 # * linuxstb wonders what happened to freedb.org... 13.47.00 # is was closed a while ago wasnt it? 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I had that problem (build system building old files) a week or two ago. 16.08.27 # linuxstb: sep-26 16.10.02 # Ah, my first meeting with the build system building old files was at about 10pm GMT on the 26 September... 16.10.07 # amiconn: "catch all changes"? 16.13.26 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp51-177.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.13.26 Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-019-114.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.13.28 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.13.36 # In my case, I committed a change to a file, and then the build servers didn't include that change in their builds. Checking the files in ~rbclient/ on my build server, the file I changed was still at the previous revision. 16.14.03 # But the changelog on the website included the change I had committed. 16.14.13 # what, you're trying to say the build system has bugs? :] 16.14.25 # It's as if the wrong timestamp was passed to the build servers. 16.14.31 # linuxstb: i changed the script 10:26 that day 16.14.38 # then i restarted the build by hand 16.15.25 # so it is likely that your commit wasn't handled correctly 16.15.52 # In fact, my commit was earlier than that - 20:26 according to since25.shtml. I just discussed it in IRC at around 22:00. 16.16.35 # also, it is possible that a multi-file commit may be built halfway, if the build is started after the first file has been committed 16.17.15 # linuxstb: in my world 10:26 is a lot earlier than 20:26 16.18.11 # I'm not arguing with that. 16.18.16 # the "not catch all changes" problem is rather a cvs-related one 16.18.31 # In my case it was a single file. 16.19.37 # linuxstb: if the file was unchanged on your build server, how could the master build script be at fault? 16.20.03 # Because my build server wasn't told to update it - it wasn't the revision it was meant to be building. 16.20.20 # Other people with build servers checked and they had the same problem. 16.20.22 # it was told to update 16.20.27 # it just failed to do it 16.20.29 # for some reason 16.20.36 # It's not given a time? 16.20.41 # it is 16.20.44 # all servers get the same 16.22.29 # that's another reason to go svn - atomic commits 16.22.40 # i'm having trouble tracking down that last problem. could it be a problem with the build system? 16.22.46 # svn! 16.23.21 # Bagder: are there any scripts that will be somewhat hard fix when making a transition to svn? 16.23.34 # barrywardell: what problem? 16.23.39 # it's saying *_CONTRAST_SETTING isn't defined 16.23.41 # preglow: nah not hard, just work 16.23.56 # but looking in config-ipod4g.h for example it's right there 16.24.01 # Bagder: scripts are mostly perl, yes? 16.24.06 # preglow: yeps 16.24.21 # i don't see why it's building for some targets but not the two ipod sims 16.25.28 # actually, they're defined inside a ifndef SIMULATOR, so maybe that's the problem. but then why is there no complaints with the other sims? 16.25.55 Quit SereRokR () 16.26.05 # barrywardell: because they are not defined in an #ifndef SIMULATOR? 16.26.43 Join theefer [0] (n=user@85-218-29-48.dclient.lsne.ch) 16.26.54 # that's the thing. look at config-ipod3g.h for example. they are defined in an #ifndef SIMULATOR too 16.27.05 # * barrywardell is very confused 16.27.34 # but does 3g have adjustable contrast? 16.27.40 # barrywardell: The other sims aren't built as part of the automated builds... So all greyscale ipod sims have failed. 16.27.56 # ah 16.28.24 # gtg 16.28.26 Part LinusN 16.28.43 Quit SUSaiyan ("Ex-Chat") 16.28.50 # ah ,ok 16.30.57 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 16.31.32 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-019-114.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.32.29 Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.36.11 # Ok, I have an ipod video and I'm trying to get rockbox installed on it 16.36.27 # but when I go through the manual and type 'ipodpatcher 0' etc - 5, nothing shows up as an ipod 16.36.30 # am I diong something wrong? 16.41.05 # is the ipod connected to an USB port on the machine? 16.41.17 # Yup 16.41.23 # running in disk mode? 16.41.25 # It shows up as the E drive 16.41.28 # lini: how do I make sure? 16.41.43 # since it shows as a drive 16.41.47 # then it's in disk mode 16.42.17 # godzirra: newest ipod video is not yet supported 16.42.33 # Do you have one of those? 16.42.33 # I just manually put it into disk mode. 16.42.38 # markun: nope. Its one of the old 30 gigs. 16.42.39 # they were on sale. 16.42.42 # :) 16.42.44 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 16.44.26 # it is in disk mode now, still shows up as E: drive, but ipodpatcher still isnt seeing it. 16.44.38 # markun: how do I make 100% sure its not a new new ipod? 16.44.56 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.45.28 # with fdisk, but I forgot what has changed, ask linuxstb_ 16.45.48 # linuxstb_: How do I verify that my 5g is not a 5.5g ipod? 16.46.12 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3160.gwdg.de) 16.46.12 # Its not being detected by ipodpatcher while in disk mode, but its a 30 gig and I thought it was one of the old 5g's, not the new one 16.47.38 # godzirra: If your serial number ends in WU9, WUA, WUB, or WUC then it's a new one. 16.47.52 # As described here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 16.48.00 # V9M 16.48.03 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 16.48.05 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.49.01 # so i should be ok... 16.49.08 # so back to why doesn't my ipod show p under ipodpatcher? :) 16.49.17 # I have it connected, it says its in disk mode... 16.49.33 # it shows up as drive e:, but running 'ipodpatcher 0' - 'ipodpatcher 10' hasnt shown anything 16.50.01 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 16.50.25 Join [TCK] [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 16.51.43 # Anyone know? I dont want to be stuck with the ipod firmware :) 16.52.47 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 16.53.14 Quit TCK (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 16.53.29 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 16.53.37 # Do you have cygwin installed? 16.53.54 # not yet, but if you tell me what packages i should install it with I'll install it. 16.54.35 # I just wanted to look at a copy of your MBR - maybe that's causing the problem. But I'll give you a custom build of ipodpatcher - give me a few minutes... 16.55.43 # Sure. 16.56.01 # http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-nocheck.zip 16.56.18 # That doesn't have the check which tries to detect if a disk is an ipod or not - so be careful with it! 16.56.56 # how do I know which directory I need to use then? 16.56.58 # err 16.56.58 # which #? 16.57.32 # You'll need to rely on the partition layout to identify which drive is your ipod. It will have two partitions - the first partition is of type 0 (Empty), and the second is of type 0xb (W95 FAT32). 16.57.37 # ahh, ok. 16.57.49 Part jhMikeS 16.57.59 # The first partition will be around 80MB or 112MB depending if you have the 30GB or 60GB 5g. 16.58.14 # ok.. this is really odd. 16.58.18 # I went from 0 - 20 16.58.20 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.58.21 # only 0 showed up 16.58.28 # as a 49 gig drive (which is what is in my laptop) 16.58.41 # oh wait. 16.58.53 # ahh. all green again:) 16.59.03 # on 1, I got error reading from disk: The parameter is incorrect 16.59.07 # is that my CD rom drive? 16.59.23 # That's probably your ipod. 16.59.55 # Others have reported similar error messages, but I've no idea what it could be. Maybe your right and it's your CDROM though... 16.59.55 # why would it not read the partition? 16.59.58 # How odd. 17.00.11 # No idea, I'm not a Windows person... 17.00.17 # well if I try and use ipodpatcher on it and its my cdrom drive, that won't hurt it 17.00.40 # The -r command shouldn't hurt anything. 17.00.46 # (I would hope) 17.01.02 # it also won't read from that partition with -r 17.01.03 # hrm 17.01.10 # Do you have admin rights? 17.01.11 Quit barrywardell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.01.36 # Yup. 17.01.46 # I can install cygwin if it will help figure it uot 17.01.49 # what do I need to installl? 17.01.55 # I've already got it downloaded. 17.03.05 # or I can try booting into knoppix with a live cd and try it there if you think that would help 17.03.16 # No, I don't think cygwin will help. For some reason your ipod just isn't appearing as a disk device in Windows. 17.03.22 # Yes, knoppix would probably work. 17.03.26 # which is weird, because I see it as E: 17.03.33 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 17.03.40 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.207.9.dynamic.barak-online.net) 17.03.44 # Does it work? i.e. can you drag and drop files to/from E: ? 17.04.30 # seems to. 17.04.44 # I'm not sure exactly how, but you should be able to see what disk device drive E: is attached to. 17.04.56 Quit theli_ua ("Leaving") 17.05.38 # even in properties I dont seem to be able to.. 17.06.29 # It's there somewhere... amiconn may know? 17.06.58 # Let me just try rebooting and seeing if I can do it in linux. 17.07.49 # OK. 17.09.10 # You need to go into disk management 17.09.33 # hm 17.09.47 # a stupid question about my cygwin environment 17.09.54 # patch just stopped working :( 17.10.12 # whenever i type "patch args" it just hangs 17.10.41 # is this known to happen? 17.10.49 # It doesn't hang. 17.10.57 # It just waits for input 17.11.25 # You have to use input file redirection to make it read a patch file automatically 17.11.29 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.168.212) 17.11.55 # ...i.e. patch (parameters) patch -p0 --binary --dry-run -i patchfile.patch 17.12.44 # this is the command line 17.13.25 Join psiborg [0] (n=psiborg@flits103-221.flits.rug.nl) 17.13.51 # Hmm, -i should also work according to patch --help 17.13.55 # That should work - at least with the GNU version of patch. 17.13.58 # hm, restarted cygwin and it's all fine now 17.14.00 # weird 17.14.03 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 17.14.27 # Maybe you have two different patch programs installed, and your PATH got changed somehow to include the "bad" one. 17.14.48 # i.e. one that doesn't support -i 17.14.59 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.15.14 Quit [TCK] (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17.16.04 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.207.34) 17.16.31 Join GotenXiao [0] (n=goten@82.152.215.5) 17.19.19 # Does Rockbox understand any other filesystems than FAT32 and HFS? 17.19.33 # i.e. ext2 and the like 17.19.42 # It only understands FAT32. 17.19.51 # GotenXiao: not even HFS 17.19.52 # Figures. :P 17.22.09 # linuxstb: ok, had to install linux really quick. i'm downloading the patcher now. 17.22.22 # linuxstb: oddly enough, it detected my ipod as /dev/sdb when installing linux 17.23.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.23.12 # godzirra, the iPod is a USB Mass Storage device 17.23.23 # and those sit on the SCSI emulation layer 17.23.33 # as well as SATA drives 17.24.04 # GotenXiao: I know, I just found it funny that I couldnt get the ipodpatcher to find it in windows, and then it popped up as a device I could potentially install linux to 17.24.25 Join iG|Mobman`BNC [0] (n=m0bman@81-178-228-14.dsl.pipex.com) 17.24.38 # :P 17.24.50 # godzirra, that's Linux for you 17.25.26 # "Yes, but does it run Linux?" is often a Slashdot comment (mainly because Linux runs on just about everything) 17.25.32 # * godzirra nods 17.25.39 # there's even a HOWTO on how to install Linux on a dead badger 17.25.45 # ok, now thats sad. 17.25.48 # :P 17.25.50 Part iG|Mobman`BNC 17.25.54 # hmmm 17.25.57 Quit dan_a () 17.26.02 # I can't see the page very well in lynx... its not very lynx friendly :) 17.26.08 # try links 17.26.13 # it does layout better 17.26.18 # http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml 17.26.19 # is rockbox-h100-20061005.zip the one I need for a 5g? 17.26.21 # let me try it 17.26.31 # No, it's for the h100 (an iriver player)... 17.26.49 # godzirra: and you need to download the fonts as well 17.26.52 # Yeah, I thought so.. hrm. 17.27.03 # one sec.. installing links 17.27.14 # You only need to install the bootloader from Linux - then you can go back to Windows and just access the filesystem via E: 17.27.37 # right. 17.29.11 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.30.58 # Hrm. I get a billion errors trying to compile ipod_fw.c 17.33.24 # mostly things like this: error: image undeclared (first use in this function) 17.33.31 # but the word image has little solid squares around it. 17.35.14 # you aren't trying to compile the binary by any chance, are you...? 17.35.37 # nah, it'd fail sooner than that 17.35.45 # i'm trying to compile ipod_fw.c as listed in the linux ipod installation wiki? 17.35.48 # am I doing something wrong? 17.37.18 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-016cc81db7a726e0) 17.37.32 # what line is the "image undeclared" error on? 17.38.21 # there's about 100 lines of errors 17.38.40 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.38.40 # crap 17.38.44 # I dont think I have the stdio.h header 17.38.47 # or any of the others for that matter 17.38.51 # Anyone in Boston? http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~freeculture/blog/ 17.39.10 # no, but that's cool 17.40.13 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181084063.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.42.16 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=susaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 17.46.18 # wow. look at that. When you have header files everything works. 17.48.27 Join KlrSpz [0] (n=klrSpz@69.15.248.2) 17.48.33 Quit solarflare (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.48.59 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 17.50.12 # ok, what is "rockboot.bin" supposed to be in the howto? 17.51.17 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-092-218.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.51.36 # It says to do ./ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader_nano.bin 17.51.43 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.51.51 # bootloader_nano is the bootloader I downloaded (bootloader_video.bin) 17.51.58 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.52.02 # apple_os.bin is the one I extracted from the original bootloader... 17.52.05 # what is rockboot.bin? 17.53.04 # That's the output file - i.e. the file created by ipod_fw 17.53.22 # Ohhh.. ok. 17.53.25 # That's the new firmware partition image you will then need to write to your ipod. 17.53.31 # Yeah, got it. 17.53.41 # I want to use the word 'video' instead of 'nano' right? 17.54.55 Part KlrSpz 17.56.10 # And is the next command: if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1 supposed to return almost instantly with no output? 17.56.18 # oh, nevermind 17.56.37 Quit Genre9mp3 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17.57.34 # Sigh. not a good sign. after intsalling the bootloader I made with dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1 and disconnecting the usb cable, it told me to connect to itunes and use the restore feature 17.59.04 # what should I do now? 17.59.39 # can someone with flyspray access close this task: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5404 18.02.29 # anyone? 18.02.39 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD1DE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.06.33 # Surely someone can help me figure out what I did wrong? I think I followed the tutorial to the letter, but its still not woring. 18.06.37 # working. 18.07.46 # Is it suppoosed to be /dev/sdb1 I write the bootloader to? 18.07.54 # anyone even awake anymore? :/ 18.08.26 # PaulJam, done 18.08.51 # no ipod here 18.09.00 # godzirra: did you eject the ipod or just unplug it? 18.09.17 # hcs: I'm doing it through linux. I didnt even realize there was a way to eject it. 18.09.22 # since its not mounted 18.09.30 # eject /dev/sdb 18.09.53 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.09.54 Join Life [0] (n=12@a137118.upc-a.chello.nl) 18.10.03 # Hello 18.10.11 # hcs: do I need to rerun the dd first? 18.10.21 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.10.30 # godzirra: yes, I'd suggest trying that 18.10.44 # on the chance that it wasn't completely written to disk 18.10.47 # is there some way to create playlists in rockbox? 18.11.07 # there surely is 18.11.07 # hcs: same problem. 18.11.38 # godzirra: dang... I'm going to look over the tutorial to see if there's any other possible gotchas 18.11.38 # nls: do you know of it? i couldn't find it. 18.11.44 # ok, thanks. 18.11.54 # Life, what do you want to do? 18.11.56 # hcs: At this point I can't start from the beginning without restoring my ipod, can I? 18.12.11 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 18.12.19 # create a playlist in rockbox, because i can't boot up apple's firmware. 18.12.21 # becuase I can't get the original ipod firmware from sdb1? 18.12.29 # godzirra: How big is your rockboot.bin? 18.12.38 # godzirra: you dumped the original ipod firmware in the first step 18.12.42 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p549654B1.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.12.43 # 12806144 18.13.07 # Life: check the manual "Browsing and Playing" 18.13.12 # That looks about right - how big are apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin? 18.13.29 # apple_os.bin is 7490048 18.13.31 # Life, in the file browser or tacgcache browser long press select on a file or folder and select "playlist" and you get a list of available options 18.13.46 # apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin is 5245440 18.14.34 # Try writing rockboot.bin again, but look at the hard disk indicator on your 5g's LCD, and make sure it turns off before you disconnect. 18.14.42 # ok. 18.15.15 # ok, its definitely of. i'm ejecting it now. 18.15.31 # same problem. 18.15.34 # says to restore 18.15.59 # would anyone happen to know how i make ldd only show libraries linked directly to an executable? 18.16.19 # Life, there is also a section in the manual that isn't included (because it needs quite some work) yet. If you don't fear looking into the source code you can read it here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/working_with_playlists/main.tex?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup 18.16.57 # preglow: Do you mean static libraries linked to the executable? 18.17.13 # linuxstb: should i just try restoring and starting over? 18.17.41 # godzirra: Did you accidentally write rockboot.bin to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1? 18.18.32 # scrolling through my history, I'm pretty sure I didnt. 18.18.35 # linuxstb: no, dynamic ones 18.18.43 Join Rincewind [0] (n=Miranda@i3ED6E330.versanet.de) 18.18.49 # linuxstb: when i use ldd on an executable, i seem to get all dependencies, even indirect ones, listed 18.19.30 # bluebrother: Did you see my bug report regarding the Nano 1.2 install instructions in the manual? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6038 18.20.00 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.20.24 # So what now? Restore? Or try something else? 18.21.11 Quit GotenXiao (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.21.33 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.21.58 # godzirra: Can you pastebin your history? 18.22.09 # hmmm.. not sure. one second. 18.22.13 # bluebrother: there is also a section in the manual that isn't included? included in what? 18.22.34 # depends on whether pastebin and lynx work well together 18.22.38 # included in the generated manual -- that's the source for the manual 18.22.58 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@e181084063.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.23.00 # it simply isn't finished enough to include it in the build version 18.23.10 # but that will hopefully change soon. 18.23.19 Join GotenXiao [0] (n=goten@82.152.169.155) 18.25.19 # no need really, maybe i made it sounds more complicated than it is. all i needed was to create a playlist so i can create more in iTunes with the ipod in diskmode. 18.25.59 # Life; Rockbox and itunes don't talk to each other... 18.26.10 # linuxstb, how does the reboot work? Press the buttons and hold them until the unit reboots? 18.26.10 # they don't use the same playlists? 18.26.39 # Life: No, Rockbox uses standard .m3u playlists, itunes puts playlists in its proprietory database. 18.26.53 # sh*t 18.27.24 # bluebrother: Yes, just hold MENU+SELECT together for about 4-5 seconds. 18.27.45 # it's gonna take ages then >.< 18.27.59 # It's a hardware reset, so works in both Rockbox and the Apple firmware - it's important for ipod users to know that key combination. 18.28.10 # linuxstb: ok, its at http://sial.org/pbot/20198 18.29.35 # godzirra: That looks fine. So all I can suggest is restoring and trying again. 18.29.46 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.30.02 # ok. 18.30.04 # i'll try that. 18.30.26 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.32.33 # does RockBox use the illustrations added via iTunes? 18.32.46 # no 18.33.14 # Life, if you tell us what you're trying to do we might be able to help you. 18.33.35 # Life, Rockbox doesn't use the itunes db at all. It's completely different 18.36.34 # linuxstb, how do ipod users know which firmware they are using? 18.37.17 # I think there is an extra Nike menu in the 1.2 firmware, but I'm not sure. 18.37.26 # Hello! I use Rockbox on my iAudio X5 and I love it. However, the battery management is not very efficient and I get only 1/2 or 1/3 of the lifetime of the original firmware. Is this issue being worked on or solveable at all? 18.37.43 # Nike menu? 18.37.44 # bluebrother: Paul_The_Nerd should know. 18.38.17 # ok, I'll ask him when he's around. 18.40.07 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-7-208.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 18.40.28 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 18.41.24 # lostlogic: around (again)? 18.41.47 # How can it be that if I don't do yielding at all when flushing data, and the codec is flooding it with data that codec can still be running and encoding more? Do the file APIs yeild. I can't seems to find where they would. 18.41.59 # I believe they do 18.42.18 Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-020-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.43.03 # I was looking and didn't can't see it. I must be missing something somewhere. 18.43.19 # The ata driver yields (in ata.c) 18.43.44 # during writes? 18.43.59 # jhMikeS: You may know... are all of the file buffer values and indices measured in bytes? I'm getting apparantly incomparable values for buf_ridx, ci.curpos, filebuflen etc.. 18.46.20 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.46.22 # I don't know offhand but they should be. If not then wtf? 18.46.28 # samples? 18.46.38 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 18.46.38 # I'm sure it's just me.. don't worry! 18.47.32 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 18.47.45 # are you talking about the file api's or the codec buffer? I'm tired and it's almost sleepy time. 18.48.05 Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-088-076-080-197.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.48.27 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.49.27 # The codec buffer...with an emphasis on playback,c - audio_buffer_wind_forward(). 18.50.01 # I'm only just restarted on it, but having dumped a load of values I was hoping to draw a diagram that made sense 18.50.14 # ok.. rebooting into linux again to try again 18.50.27 # pondlife: they should represent # of bytes 18.50.53 # looking at a codec it seems ci.curpos is in bytes 18.50.58 # That's what I thought. Will study a bit longer. 18.51.19 # wavpack.c is pretty basic to check it out 18.51.45 # Somehow I'm ending up with a small negative seek (-32606 bytes) for no good reason. 18.51.58 # I suspect that the use of ci.curpos in there may not be valid 18.52.07 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.52.11 # pondlife: AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE 18.52.35 # ? 18.52.38 # Nearly! 18.53.02 # But for a normal track-to-track transition, it shouldn't seek. There's no codec in the buffer. 18.53.15 # pondlife: with what? 18.53.37 # what "normal track-to-track"? 18.53.47 # no codec change? 18.54.17 # In this case I have tracks 7-10 all buffered. Playback is from 20 secs before the end of track 7 into track 8. Unexpected glitch and repeat occurs. All tracks are MP3 128kbps 18.54.49 # So either one of the running totals has got messed up, or this routine is wrong. 18.56.23 # Is this the resume bug thing? 18.56.26 # Details of the problem are http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5906 18.56.46 # No, but might shed some light perhaps 18.56.49 # Looking at it I'm not sure the trimming is correct eigther 18.57.04 # Trimming? 18.57.16 # Of encoder delay and padding 18.57.51 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.57.54 # Why can't one of the trims be zero and the other not? 18.58.10 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.58.20 # never mind it's >= 0...heh bedtime 18.58.23 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.59.04 # Night night 18.59.12 # I should be looking at mpa.c? 18.59.18 # pondlife: only mp3s? 18.59.35 # I've only tried with MP3s 18.59.39 # pondlife: couple minutes yet 18.59.49 # Not sure what the original reporter uses 19.00.01 Quit rre7zbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.00.07 Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-088-076-080-197.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.00.19 # wavpack.codec bites it hard with 88.2kHz wvs. 19.00.28 # Also noticed that filebufused ends up being set to (the equivalent) of -418 when playback ends... 19.00.33 # 0 would be nice 19.00.39 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.00.59 # Ah, I'll stop rambling and get hacking. 19.01.23 # I'll get sleeping and hack later...nighty night 19.01.25 Part jhMikeS 19.01.45 # so how can i browse through music files properly without using tag cache browser? 19.02.01 # seeing how i can't create playlists using tag cache browser from what i read in the manual 19.02.46 # sure you can (can't you?) 19.03.00 # did you try it? 19.03.18 # if i browse through my music files using the file browser all i see are the tags generated by iTunes 19.03.23 # the scrambled names and such 19.03.49 # tag cache browser decyphers those, but i can't edit my playlists with tag cache reader 19.04.07 Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.04.08 # there's nothing about it in the "Browsing an playing" part of the manual anyway 19.04.25 # and i can't find any way to myself either. 19.04.41 # what do you want to do with your playlist 19.04.57 # i want to add songs to it basicly. 19.05.07 # and then i want to be able to view what files i've added to it 19.05.34 # Life, what do you mean with "your" playlists? Do you mean itunes playlists? 19.05.35 # whell the viewer will display scrambled file names for now 19.05.38 Quit lee-qid_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 19.06.13 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549654B1.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.06.15 # no, i mean the file i hope i'm making by selecting "insert" on multiple songs. 19.06.37 # which is supposed to be .m3u, seeing how somebody claimed rockbox uses those 19.06.40 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 19.06.50 # but you _can_ create playlists from tagcache. 19.06.53 # it will be if you save it 19.06.58 # which is supposed to be in the root>playlists>playlistname dir 19.07.08 # not necessarily. 19.07.12 # nls, where's the save button? T_T 19.07.17 # no it's supposed to be where you save it 19.07.27 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54848809.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.07.34 # playlists can be anywhere on disk, but the playlist catalog needs its playlists in the playlists folder 19.07.47 # in the menu select playlist options and then save playlist 19.07.53 # let's make things more complicated please bluebrother. 19.07.54 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD1DE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.08.04 # "save current playlist" even 19.08.04 # Life, if you want to ... 19.08.05 # there is no playlist options in the menu. 19.08.18 # bluebrother: that was a rethorical comment. 19.08.21 # hope i spelled that right 19.08.23 # I know. 19.08.28 # then you're in the wrong menu 19.08.56 # i'm in the top most menu, the one i see when i boot up rockbox. 19.09.14 # that's not a menu, that's the browser 19.09.20 # that would be the file browser, press menu button 19.09.33 # you can save a playlist from the main menu or from the context menu of the wps 19.09.42 # m*th*rf*ck*r! 19.09.51 # ok by then 19.09.54 Quit nls (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 19.09.57 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.10.01 # not you o.O 19.10.12 # who then? 19.10.20 # (rhetorical question) 19.10.28 # k. 19.10.36 # hmm, did spell it wrong i see 19.15.59 # everything's so hard to figure out, but it's soo bloody obvious once you do T_T 19.20.39 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.23.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.24.11 Quit akaidiota ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 19.26.17 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 19.28.28 # pondlife: what's audio_buffer_wind_forward() doing? 19.28.29 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.33.45 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.cm-upc.chello.se) 19.36.55 # hi tucoz 19.37.03 # hi 19.37.30 # you should now be able adding \printindex somewhere and get an index 19.37.44 # saw you radio commit, nice. That i have been waiting for :) 19.37.51 # oh, cool 19.37.52 # of course the index points need to get done 19.38.08 # I commited some with the installation.tex change 19.38.12 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.38.31 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.38.34 # sounds like quite some people were waiting for the radio change. 19.38.41 # * bluebrother is a bit surprised by that 19.39.01 # yes, but i thought we have to run the manual through aspell to get the words proper British English, and that one could do some search & replace then 19.39.14 # at the same time 19.39.24 # as that will make for a possibly huge commit 19.39.31 Quit TCK (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19.40.10 # * tucoz is happy as he is finally rid of the fglrx driver and uses the open source driver instead :) 19.40.24 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 19.40.25 # I thought about adding the \index entries bit-by-bit 19.41.57 # do you know how to distinguish between the different nano firmware? To get FS#6038 fixed. 19.42.17 # yes, that is of course an option. Should we set up a wiki on words that should be indexed? 19.42.30 # words or group of words? 19.42.42 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 19.43.46 # hmm. I thought simply about when going through parts of the manual to add indexes for the things that sound like indexing 19.44.16 # maybe a wiki page with topics that should actually included in the index would be helpful 19.44.16 # I haven't though this through to be honest. 19.44.55 # But, i figured, that if you go through the manual to find a word that should be indexed, then shouldn't all places in the manual where that word is also be indexed? 19.45.02 # I also want to do some adjustments to the index layout before it gets added, but this shouldn't keep us away from adding index entries. 19.45.12 # e.g. playlist is mentioned several times throughout the manual 19.45.18 # bluebrother: in the ipod OF, the Settings->About screen shows the firmware version and if it's windows formatted 19.45.31 # no. Only the part that's relevant. 19.45.36 # obo: well, it does on a 5g 19.45.41 # got to get some food. bbl 19.46.09 # as it's like "oh, I want to know about playlists. Look in the index as it is supposed to list all pages that actually say something useful for playlists" 19.46.33 # obo, thanks. I assume it's the same on nano, and if not someone will complain ;-) 19.46.45 # true :) 19.46.48 Quit Seed (Remote closed the connection) 19.47.21 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.207.9.dynamic.barak-online.net) 19.56.51 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.46.54) 19.58.11 # bluebrother, i agree. Makes the indexing less automated though ;) 19.59.37 # ipod 5g == video? 19.59.48 # y 20.00.56 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109116164.4.15.univie.teleweb.at) 20.03.02 Quit Life ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 20.03.44 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 20.06.25 # hmm. I don't like the ipod installation repeating mostly equal stuff three times 20.06.46 # Sorry, was at lunch 20.06.49 # linuxstb_: still ther? 20.06.51 # there 20.09.08 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.09.19 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 20.09.28 # re 20.09.53 # all ipod minis are 3rd gen or would a 2gen mini be 4th gen ipod ... this is so confusing ;) 20.10.50 # I just found this ipod recording patch in flyspray and was wondering if that could be done on a mini (my video was stolen :((( ) 20.11.25 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.16.26 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.17.06 # linuxstb_: you here now? 20.17.13 # damn. Nested opt's don't seem to work :( 20.17.28 # dpro: The 3g, 4g, and 5g are the full-size ipods. The mini (and Nano) are outside that series, and both have 1st and 2nd generation versions themselves. 20.18.01 Quit solarflare (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.18.11 # linuxstb_: I did a complete restore then followed the step, step by step. I'm trying to paste the results, but it still didnt work. 20.18.15 # dpro: But afaik, the minis can't record. 20.18.49 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@COMPTON-TWO-TWENTY-SIX.MIT.EDU) 20.19.42 Part GotenXiao ("SIGHUP") 20.19.52 # argh. This installation source makes me dumb 20.23.27 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.23.38 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.24.20 # linuxstb_: ok, I'm lost... what the heck am i doing wrong. 20.24.21 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-11-244.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.24.22 # want me to repaste? 20.24.59 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.25.15 # http://sial.org/pbot/20204 is my paste of what i've done 20.26.16 # godzirra: "Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512)" You've got one of the new 5.5g ipods? 20.27.38 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 20.28.21 # can someone proof-read the adjusted nano install instructions? Those repeating text makes me dumb ... http://pastebin.ca/192135 20.28.31 # linuxstb_: ah ok thx 20.29.24 # obo: It doesnt appear so. I was told that the new ipods all end in a specific set of letters for the serial number 20.30.09 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 20.30.49 # Maybe the latest Apple firmware changes the sector size on all 5gs... 20.30.49 # godzirra: strange... the 2048 vs 512 sector issue is what's stopping the 5.5s from working with rockbox 20.31.10 # It wouldn't surprise me - the hardware seems almost identical. 20.31.24 # linuxstb_: update to the flash as well then? 20.31.37 # Yes, all Apple firmware upgrades upgrade the flash. 20.31.37 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 20.31.44 # crap 20.31.50 # how do I downgrade my firmware? 20.32.07 # and what version do I want/need? 20.32.44 # 1.1 or 1.0 should be okay 20.32.50 # hmm 20.32.53 # any idea where I can get one of those? 20.35.11 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-127-004.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.35.44 # http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Updaters maybe? 20.36.05 # Thanks... i've been googling for it and failing 20.36.38 # no idea if those work, or how those work... I must have used different google keywords :) 20.36.56 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeeps@c-71-202-85-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 20.37.12 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 20.37.34 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@unaffiliated/desowin) 20.37.50 # how can I reset my iPod when it freezed ? 20.38.12 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.38.22 # Hold select and menu - tis in the FAQ/manual 20.38.47 # obo: apparently ;) ipod 1.1 firmware upgrade didnt work form e. 20.38.50 # holding, but no effect :( 20.39.01 # I'm familiar with how the updaters work though. just hoping it doesnt try and be smart and not update cause its an older firmware. 20.39.22 Join stoffel [0] (n=SFR@p5081723C.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.39.47 # desowin: hold is off? 20.39.48 # oh, it worked 20.39.55 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.40.55 # godzirra: It wouldn't surprise me if your attempts to update fail. In which case, you'll have to wait until someone fixes Rockbox to work with disks with that sector size. 20.41.55 # would a raw apple firmware work? If it was extracted from an updater? 20.43.16 # The problem could be that the firmware in flash is expecting a disk formatted with 2048-byte sectors - so it would read a firmware partition image based on 512-byte sectors. 20.43.33 # ^wouldn't read a firmware... 20.44.05 # But it's worth trying. 20.45.25 # * linuxstb_ considers upgrading his 5g with itunes7 to see what happens... 20.46.09 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.48.02 # it might explode 20.48.39 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 20.48.52 # obo: how could I extra the raw apple firmware from the updater? 20.48.57 # my attempts to downgrade did fail. 20.49.12 # godzirra: ipodwizard 20.49.41 # I did find a howto to downgrade th3~ough. 20.49.52 # which says to download ipodwizard :) 20.50.23 # When did you buy your 5g? 20.52.01 Quit stoffel ("Verlassend") 20.53.36 # yesterday 20.53.46 # It was one of hte "old ipods" so was on sale for $229 20.53.58 # hrm 20.54.04 # ipodwizard keeps telling me there's no ipod attached 20.54.35 # bah i can't mount my ipod over nfs as i want :( 20.55.53 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.57.29 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 20.57.34 # yeah, freaking ipod wizard won't detect my ipod. 20.59.35 Join Incer [0] (n=incer@host73-143-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 21.00.39 # Uhm... Hi.... 21.00.52 # I needed an answer.... :) 21.01.45 # obo: ok, I've extracted the raw firmware... what do I -do- with it? 21.02.05 # I do have a video iPod, and I use it with my Kenwood car stereo, through an adapter. Does rockbox have support for it? 21.06.52 Join infamis [0] (i=4511161b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.07.03 Quit bluey- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.08.43 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.09.03 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-127-004.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.09.09 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.11.33 # godzirra: dd it to the firmware partition 21.13.13 # obo: ok, the file I extracted was IDR_FIRMWARE-13.6.1.1 21.13.16 # is that the file I dd? 21.14.10 # it should be about 12mb? 21.14.13 # ok 21.14.16 # thats it then 21.17.06 Quit godzirra (Remote closed the connection) 21.17.53 Join godzirra [0] (n=shawn@c-68-57-151-199.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 21.17.56 # erk 21.18.18 # obo: ok, I did dd if=IDR_FIRMWARE-13.6.1.1 of=/dev/sdb1 21.18.22 Quit Landus (Nick collision from services.) 21.18.31 # it didnt work. same "connect your computer so ituns can restore it" 21.18.44 # yeah, looks like the right dd command 21.18.44 Join Landus [0] (i=G4JavaUs@70-100-181-192.dsl1-erie.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) 21.19.56 # sigh 21.20.51 # I don't think there is any other way round it, apart from waiting for 2048 sector support 21.21.23 Quit preglow ("leaving") 21.22.05 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.22.06 Join preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) 21.23.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.23.52 # is that even in the works? 21.24.19 Join Nico__P [0] (n=nico@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 21.24.50 # theres a posting on the forum where a couple of people were looking into it, but I don't know what the progress is. 21.26.41 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.26.46 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp51-177.adsl.forthnet.gr) 21.27.15 # darnit. :/ 21.27.35 # all the awys to downgrade apparently dont work anymore. 21.28.10 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.28.40 Quit mirak (Connection timed out) 21.29.03 Quit desowin ("use linux") 21.29.30 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 21.30.23 # Incer: does the adapter plug in through the dock or headphone socket? 21.31.10 Quit tucoz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.32.31 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-47-55.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.34.28 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-155-100.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.36.18 Join [TCK] [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 21.39.36 # sigh. 21.39.44 # oh well. I guess its itunes for me then :/ 21.40.13 Quit Seed (Remote closed the connection) 21.41.04 Join avl [0] (n=avl@145.116.8.217) 21.41.43 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 21.42.18 Quit Nico_P (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.42.29 # * petur dumps some news about sansa http://slashdot.org/articles/06/10/05/1758231.shtml 21.43.08 Quit TCK (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.44.17 Quit infamis ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.44.43 # ok, it looks like dr. moreau said he got the ipodpatcher working 21.44.57 # and that the hardware is the asme for the 5.5g as the 5g (at least for the 30 gig version) 21.47.24 Quit bluey- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.47.38 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.48.45 # rockbox has an 'official installer' for ipod? 21.49.08 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.49.16 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 21.49.49 Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-088-076-080-197.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.49.56 Quit rre7zbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.50.15 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.50.21 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 21.51.19 # * petur adds http://www.google.com/codesearch/advanced_code_search to his internet favs 21.52.17 # anyone have any comments on that? 21.52.41 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-052-096.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.53.43 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea4ed.e.strato-dslnet.de) 21.54.05 Quit avl ("Quitting!") 21.54.14 # godzirra: No, there's no official ipod installer for Rockbox. 21.54.43 # ok... the info on the rockbox forums is somewhat confusing 21.54.51 # it claims there is an easy way to install on the 5g's with 1.2 21.54.54 # but I dont see how that can possibly work. 21.55.49 # It can work pretty easily 21.56.03 # please do share paul.. i've been trying to get it to work all morning 21.56.28 # Paul_The_Nerd: godzirra appears to have an old 5g with 2048-byte sectors... 21.56.32 # The 5Gs with 1.2 have the same installation process as always, don't they? The only difference is the missing sysinfo, which is unnecessary to the installation process. 21.56.41 # ipodpatcher doesnt detect my ipod. 21.56.52 # If they're 2048 byte sectors, it's a 5.5G then, isn't it? 21.56.56 # and I've tried multiple times in linux with ipod_fw 21.57.06 # Paul_The_Nerd: no. 5.5G also has 2048 byte sectors 21.57.11 # but so does 5g with the 1.2 firmware 21.57.30 # Paul_The_Nerd: Apple have a list of serial numbers which they say are "Late 2006" 5gs. gidzirra's ipod doesn't match. 21.57.32 # So when you upgrade to 1.2, it changes the sector size? 21.57.42 # apparently. 21.57.46 # mine came with 1.2 21.57.48 # I think... 21.57.54 # itunes may have upgraded it. 21.57.59 # godzirra: The odd thing is no-one else has reported such a problem. 21.58.00 # or I may have upgraded it the first time I did a restore 21.58.01 # i'm not sure. 21.58.11 # linuxstb_: with ipodpatcher not showign it? 21.58.14 # yes they have... :) 21.58.41 # People have installed Rockbox on 1.2 5Gs successfully. 21.58.49 # On an old 5G, the sector size stays the same. 21.58.49 Join NsN [0] (i=Gaspode@wh391.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) 21.58.55 # then wtf. 21.59.03 # Maybe it's OK if you upgrade to 1.2, but a restore could change the format. 21.59.03 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.59.04 # Apparently the new 5Gs are formatted like the 5.5Gs 21.59.05 # I got a 5.5g and apple just screwed up? 21.59.23 # i dunno, I just want to get rockbox installed :/ 21.59.25 # Yeah, restore likely does it too 21.59.28 # and i'm at a loss as to what to do now 21.59.45 Quit theefer (Remote closed the connection) 21.59.47 # Considering that the 5Gs and the 5.5Gs are pretty much identical, I'd imagine they'd "restore" to the same sector size, probably 21.59.49 Quit Nico__P () 21.59.51 # Doh, I went away and I didn't see your reply, obo. I hope you're still here... Anyway it plugs in the connector port, on the bottom. 21.59.52 # godzirra: You have to wait for someone to fix Rockbox. 21.59.59 # sigh. 22.00.07 # linuxstb_: I saw that DrMoreau had fixed the patcher apparently. 22.00.12 # if I use his fixed patcher, shuold rockbox work? 22.00.18 # For all practical purposes, yours is a 5.5G now. 22.00.19 # *should 22.00.22 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 22.00.26 # Without the brighter screen 22.00.26 # Paul_The_Nerd: bah. 22.00.28 # Incer: can you control the ipod via the kenwood unit? 22.00.32 # Yes 22.00.58 # godzirra: No, it's more than ipodpatcher that needs fixing - Rockbox's ATA/FAT drivers need adapting. 22.01.06 # ok. :( 22.01.11 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.01.13 # then I doubt it will work with rockbox - sounds like it uses the accessory protocol 22.01.17 # * godzirra goes to read and see if ipodlinux can do it for now then. 22.01.23 # it's a KCA-iP500 22.01.32 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 22.01.34 # The adapter, I mean 22.01.52 # I hate people that force upgrades. 22.02.08 # Shouldn't have bought an iPod then 22.02.44 Join Soap_OutOfTown [0] (i=d8c93873@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.03.06 # ipodlinux doesnt detect it as an ipod either 22.03.08 # nor does ipodwizard 22.03.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: If I cuold find an iriver that wasnt $250 bucks for a 6 gig drive, I would have bought another iriver :/ 22.03.27 # Can I dual boot in the apple firmware and use that when I connect the iPod to the stereo, or is there any problem? 22.03.45 # the i10 is 250 for 6 gigs though. 22.04.21 # Incer: there should be no reason you can't 22.05.00 # Incer: So long as you use iTunes to transfer the music 22.05.01 Quit Soap_OutOfTown (Client Quit) 22.05.15 Quit [TCK] (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.05.43 # I thought that maybe the bootloader changed something, but I guess it doesn't... 22.06.23 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.06.49 # God, I hate that apple firmware... 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"At first"? 23.08.51 # reset settings is to have hold on while rockbox is starting up 23.09.09 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 23.09.27 # barrywardell : ah i'll try that right now then 23.09.33 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 23.10.12 Join MadHatter` [0] (i=MadHatte@ool-457b3109.dyn.optonline.net) 23.10.15 # hey 23.10.28 # you have to switch hold on after turning the power on (but before the rockbox logo) since the iriver bootloader won't let the system start up if hold is on when it starts 23.10.56 # Paul_The_Nerd : well when rockbox reachs the directory listening it first displays volume in the status bar as numeric, then as grahic 23.11.03 # is there anybody here taht can help me with prc files 23.11.48 # prc? Sounds like Palm program files 23.11.52 # ya 23.11.57 # What does that have to do with Rockbox? 23.12.53 # absolutly nothing 23.13.00 # im coming here for desperate help 23.13.07 # i know u guys r great at pc's 23.13.16 Join matsl_ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.14.02 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.14.03 Join pkane [0] (i=3efe2012@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.14.15 Quit bluey (Connection timed out) 23.14.51 # setting have been reseted (displayed "cleared" under rockbox), but it's still having a problem, i guess it's the same problem has before only i didn't played with hold button, i'll explain... 23.16.38 # when hold is on, some buttons are responding but all they do is scrolling down, it's the case for touch pad up, touch pad down and the 'o' key 23.17.19 Quit pkane (Client Quit) 23.17.36 Part MadHatter` ("Leaving") 23.17.56 # but when hold is off nothing is responding 23.17.59 # does it recognise when hold is switched on and off. ie does the hold icon show up? 23.18.14 # yep 23.18.44 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 23.19.08 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 23.21.33 Quit webguest50 ("CGI:IRC") 23.21.45 # wow, now as hold is off, if i press 'o' it scrolls down and loops for a long time, hanging sometimes and stopping after something like 1 min 23.21.54 # do you know how to compile your own build? if so, you could try undoing the changes here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/button-h10.c.diff?r1=1.9&r2=1.10 23.22.05 # and see if it works then 23.22.19 # they're the changes made to the button code on the 29th 23.22.36 # i guess the controls are pretty messed up yeah 23.23.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.23.37 # i once compiled a simulator build, i just have to find the explanations on the wiki for a proper "real" build? 23.24.17 # Dma-Sc: it is quite simple 23.24.30 # n instead of s and make zip instead of make install 23.25.37 Part lowlight 23.26.09 # ah i still have the windows tools for compiling rockbox depacked here 23.27.15 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-11-244.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.28.17 # barrywardell : i should just grab the latest source and replace button-h10.c with v1.9? 23.28.32 # exactly, should work I think 23.29.07 # also grab button-target.h v1.1 23.29.35 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.29.43 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.29.49 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 23.29.58 # ok 23.38.04 Quit Incer ("I'm too lazy to imagine a quit-message.") 23.39.16 # the latest source dir was from 20051206, no change in the windows compilation pack since then? it should compile latest source allright? 23.44.34 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.45.57 # ah it misses arm-elf-gcc compiler 23.46.52 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.52.49 # hmm