--- Log for 09.10.106 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.08 # the disk/ram things 00.00.19 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-72.dynamic.qsc.de) 00.00.24 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 00.00.59 # pepie34: Guess what apps/plugins/lib/ is for. Also, most codecs use an appropriate library (mpa.codec uses libmad etc), statically linked 00.01.40 # but i really do not understand the cost of having library that is dynamicaly linked (but not shared) 00.02.13 # The cost is code complexity (and hence code size increase) in the core, where we don't want it 00.02.15 # it would mean dynamic memory 00.02.27 # bagder why? 00.02.29 # * amiconn was about to say that 00.02.36 # if you have N different libs 00.02.39 # each would be loaded 00.02.48 # pepie34: Ahem, you need memory to load the library into? 00.03.01 # well, perhaps you can get away with a simple approach for plugins only 00.03.07 # yes but you need memory to load the plugin too 00.03.31 # Yes, and that is fixed size, fixed position -> very simple to check whether the plugin fits or not 00.03.35 # pepie34: still, your use case doesn't convince us ;-) 00.03.50 # you know exactly the size of the memory you need when loading the plugin 00.04.04 # (and its dependent library) 00.04.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.05.14 # librarIES 00.05.21 # yes 00.05.33 # More disk activity on load, more calculations, more code. All disadvantages 00.05.49 # I don't see any advantage 00.05.53 # may be that evolution 00.05.59 # any _real_ advantage, that is 00.06.08 Quit Seed (Remote closed the connection) 00.06.12 # Is there a known problem with text display? 00.06.21 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.207.9.dynamic.barak-online.net) 00.07.14 # ok i will not try to convinced you further 00.07.23 # convince 00.07.29 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.07.39 # may in few months... 00.07.40 Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.07.42 # ;- 00.07.44 # you'll need to tell us compelling arguments why it is so good 00.08.13 # we rather waste some extra 100K of disk space than make the code complicated and bigger 00.09.13 # Kalthare: what do you mean? 00.09.20 # the pseudo-os used on ti92/89... is very thin and have relocation 00.09.42 # Most of the WPSes I've tried are putting text in the wrong places. 00.09.44 # pepie34: that's not a compelling argument 00.09.44 # morning guys, can I commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808#comment10776 ? i thin its the best way to do it without adding bulk to the bin, and keep speed down 00.09.56 # pepie34: How much mass storage capacity do those devices have? 00.10.10 # Kalthare: have you downloaded the fonts package? 00.10.23 # That might be a strong factor; all rockboxable devices have _at least_ 128MB 00.10.50 # Wasting a few 100K on disk doesn't matter nearly as much as wasting a few K in RAM 00.11.02 # PaulJam: Nngh. Right, I forgot. Thanks. 00.11.09 # amicon less than 1mb flash and maybe 2mb ram 00.11.33 # [00:07:39] may in few months... <== Rockbox will soon have its 5th anniversary 00.11.44 # at leats for the first ti92 generation 00.12.12 # Yeah, with only 1MB flash saving mass storage makes sense. It's a completely different situation 00.13.28 # and talking about complexity, the way the plugin api is exposed to the plugin (the pointer to the plugin_struct...) is very complicated and ugly 00.13.37 # (the word is said) 00.13.51 # its not complicated, but it could possibly be called uglt 00.13.53 # ugly 00.14.15 # JdGordon: this patch seems to be a great feature 00.14.17 # :) 00.14.39 # Bagder: amiconn: ^ ? 00.14.56 # Moos: thats the 4th incarnation :p 00.14.57 # JdGordon: will the folder list be editable that you can remove folders that you don't want to be included in the shuffle? 00.15.22 # JdGordon: hehe, let's hope this is the final one :) 00.15.31 # PaulJam: yes, the gennerator needs a bit of work, and the main thing that will be added is that 00.15.46 # it cant be a plain text file tho because its way too slow 00.15.49 # JdGordon: Haha, 'morning' is funny, although technically correct. 00.15.59 # It's just 15 minutes after midnight here 00.16.04 # :) 00.16.10 # :) 00.16.22 # here the same 00:15 :) 00.16.31 # JdGordon:does it only shuffle it once (at creation)? 00.16.33 # me too 00.17.01 # petur: it never shuffles it, at the end of the playlist it just chooses one randomly untill it chooses one with music in it 00.17.10 # ah 00.17.12 # it takes about 1s to change "cds" with this 00.17.32 # that seems to be cool 00.17.41 # .. and if the list is not there then it falls back to just the next flder like curently 00.17.49 # user point of view that is ;) 00.18.04 # * petur looks at the time and thinks about sleeping 00.18.07 Join unique [0] (n=unique@c-67-168-238-215.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 00.18.11 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 00.18.14 # pepie34: well maybe you could help for ffmpeg ... 00.18.24 # ? 00.18.34 # ????????????? 00.18.46 Quit unique (Client Quit) 00.18.47 Join unique [0] (n=unique@c-67-168-238-215.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 00.18.53 Quit unique (Client Quit) 00.18.57 Join unique [0] (n=unique@c-67-168-238-215.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 00.18.59 # pepie34: I am doing mpeg2 plugin from ffmpeg. but the differents mpeg formats share to much code 00.19.35 # pepie34: maybe you can suggest ffmpeg team how to improve that :D 00.19.40 # JdGordon: can't you instead use the database from dircache (if it is enabled) to pick a directory? i don't really like the idea to run the plugin everytime i add or remove music. 00.19.44 # you mean in a ffmpeg codec port for rockbox 00.19.49 # ? 00.20.16 Join unique_ [0] (n=unique@c-67-168-238-215.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 00.20.25 Part unique ("Leaving") 00.21.04 # JdGordon: planed to commit the patch? 00.21.12 # mirak I'm currently looking how relocation work on homebrew kernel for TI (for example the universal OS is a about 15kB compiled binary) 00.21.25 Quit lodesi_ ("leaving") 00.21.34 # it uses coff format 00.22.09 # PaulJam: i tried, it just over complicates it, and the dircache structure isnt perfect, bassically because there is no way to know how many directories are there 00.22.20 # Moos: just waiting for the OK for the core devs 00.22.48 # if anyone complained that is a good thing :) 00.22.51 # pepie34: yes, currently we ported libmpeg2, it wasn't hard because it's a stands by itself, but in ffmpeg various mpeg codecs, like h264, wmv mpeg2, share a lot of functions, since most of the mpeg process is similar for all codecs. 00.23.01 # JdGordon: Couldn't you extend dircache to keep a count of the number of directories? 00.23.07 # * Moos thought to amicon :) 00.23.25 # pepie34: I only have a ti-82 :) 00.23.47 # linuxstb_: probably, but doing that means that if you dont use dircache, you cant use this, and it would add more code 00.23.58 # maybe you can have your own loader along with your codec 00.24.36 # but it means that you need to have the possibility to allocate the memory need for the code and the data of your libs 00.24.50 # s/need/needed/ 00.25.36 Join JohnTaylor [0] (n=trashcit@cpc3-seve7-0-0-cust577.popl.cable.ntl.com) 00.26.54 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@121.55.61.78) 00.28.16 # JdGordon: I just think that if dircache is available, it should be used - it would be perfect for this kind of feature. But I agree that it would basically mean implementing the same feature twice, which isn't good... 00.31.46 Quit unique_ ("Leaving") 00.32.01 # mirak the only thing i must say for tonight is to look at this old things: 00.32.04 # http://doors.ticalc.org/doorsosd.zip 00.32.20 # in the source diredtory there is a relocation.c file 00.32.29 # comments are in french sorry 00.33.38 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 00.33.50 # sorry also the Doc/progFormats.txt 00.34.21 # pepie34: I am not the good interlocutor, that's a bit to complex for me 00.34.36 # which described the binary format that is used (based on coff if i remeber) 00.34.49 Quit stoffel ("Verlassend") 00.37.07 # ok good night so 00.37.17 Quit Rob2222_ () 00.37.20 Quit pepie34 ("Ex-Chat") 00.37.55 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB796A0.ipt.aol.com) 00.43.16 Quit SereR0kR () 00.47.10 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.48.31 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.38 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 00.54.19 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.48.11) 00.57.05 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 00.57.42 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 00.58.24 # good night or day at all ! 00.58.28 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 01.00.07 Quit obo ("bye") 01.01.43 Quit [San|] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.03.44 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.07.27 # during the installation to my ipod mini, i kinda screwed up. it works, but i don't have the original firmware. any ideas on how to reinstall this firmware? 01.09.37 # i do still have the apple_os.bin backup of it 01.10.42 # Then redo the step that creates rockboot.bin and write the new rockboot.bin over. 01.13.29 Quit Kohlriba ("Quit") 01.13.41 # k 01.22.11 Part nave7693 01.24.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.34.17 Join Angryman [0] (i=5439d11d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.34.26 Quit Angryman (Client Quit) 01.36.15 # * MarcoPolo is away: emerge: (1 of 18) www-client/seamonkey-1.0.5 Compile - Shell No. 2 - Konsole 01.36.18 Nick MarcoPolo is now known as MarcoPolo|AFK (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.36.53 # * MarcoPolo|AFK is away: test 01.37.06 # * MarcoPolo|AFK is back. 01.37.08 Nick MarcoPolo|AFK is now known as MarcoPolo (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.38.38 # MarcoPolo: after you get that set up, please disable it for this channel ;) 01.43.51 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 01.44.09 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 01.44.24 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-TWO-NINETY-SIX.MIT.EDU) 01.44.54 # indeed 01.46.22 # yes 01.51.21 Join SkeXis [0] (n=SkeXis@c-68-49-178-168.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 01.52.12 Quit JohnTaylor (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.09 # scorche: Some patch discussion is relevant for the forums, I think. I posted a clarification after your post that summarize my view of the issue at least. 02.02.22 Quit SUSaiyan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.39 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=susaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 02.07.45 Join wafflesomd [0] (i=466a8098@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.08.53 Quit wafflesomd (Client Quit) 02.08.56 Join wafflesomd [0] (i=466a8098@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.09.32 # balls 02.09.43 Quit wafflesomd (Client Quit) 02.10.52 Join wafflesomd [0] (i=466a8098@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.10.55 # Paul_the_Nerd: good call 02.11.38 # too much talking 02.11.51 # Nobody around for me to call stupid. ;) 02.12.15 # Paul_the_Nerd: apple os is better 02.12.45 # ugh...that was such a poor attempt at trolling =( 02.12.59 # Hahaha 02.23.04 Quit wafflesomd ("CGI:IRC") 02.23.07 Join wafflesomd [0] (i=466a8098@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.24.08 Quit wafflesomd (Client Quit) 02.36.36 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 02.52.03 Quit PaulJam (".") 03.00.44 Quit bagawk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.01.51 # do people really come here to troll about Rockbox? 03.02.09 # some do, yes 03.02.12 # or.. I mean about Apple IPod OS being better..and why would anyone want to make a thirdparty firmware? 03.02.24 # I just installed Rockbox on my x5 and its fucking outrageously great 03.02.33 # just default install 03.02.34 # no themes 03.02.35 # I love it 03.02.43 # minimal, gapless etc.. 03.03.02 # i like my x5 as well 03.03.03 # I mean the x5 firmware/ui was fine and all. but this is just spot on.. I love it.. 03.03.18 # yeah man.. 03.03.34 # I had an iRiver H3xx then sold it for the x5..had the x5 for about a year or so now.. 03.04.05 # whats there to troll about? ha ha ha.. because your fiddling with the perfection that is Apple's IPod design? 03.04.19 # ::sarcasm:: 03.05.34 # Basically, yes. 03.06.00 # We're not "intuitive" because apparently having the button labelled "Menu" go to the menus, instead of using it as a "Back" button (which is what the AppleOS does) is confusing. 03.06.09 # heh...i remember when the apple forums got wind of us once...that was an entertaining thread 03.06.18 # ha ha ha 03.06.22 # whats is there problem.. 03.06.29 # they dont HAVE to use it 03.06.36 # were they just upset that it even existed 03.06.49 # that it challenged and criticized the Apple IPod firmware? 03.06.59 # "Rockbox claims to have gapless...winamp doesnt even have gapless!!" 03.07.02 # or some such 03.07.06 # HA HA HA 03.07.06 # wtf 03.07.17 # that Rio had gapless and flac 03.07.23 # I forget the name for the life of me 03.07.37 # not carbon 03.08.12 # in anycase.. kool aide swallowing apple fan boys are like that 03.08.25 # you should have seen them and their uproar about the Blackhat wireless vulnerability.. 03.08.34 # i did 03.08.42 # they called the researchers a liars and the whole thing a hoax..how could there be a flaw in an apple product 03.08.51 # my god 03.09.03 # I know the researchers personally.. and those apple users are fucking nuts 03.09.03 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.09.09 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 03.09.53 # as do i ;) ...blackhat/defcon are some of the most fun weekends of my year 03.11.11 # it was the rio karma... 03.11.14 # that had gapless and flac 03.11.17 # like 3 years ago? 03.11.18 # more maybe? 03.11.20 # in anycase.. 03.11.22 # good stuff 03.12.29 Quit pixelma (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 03.16.29 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 03.17.34 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.22.50 # NickDe: what changed your choice and you sold your H300 for an X5? 03.23.04 # FLAC 03.23.09 # X5 could do FLAC 03.23.11 # yeah but now? 03.23.19 # I sold it about a year a go 03.23.20 # or more 03.23.26 # oh bad luck I supporse 03.23.29 # suppose 03.23.34 # Nah I like my x5 a lot better than my iriver 03.23.40 # why is that? 03.23.50 # what do you think is better? 03.24.04 # I mean what features? 03.24.05 # well .. flac, video, etc.. the whole look and feed... 03.24.10 # they both had great sound quality 03.24.12 # video? 03.24.18 # x5 could do video out of box 03.24.20 # yeah I know 03.24.22 # vah 03.24.23 # ah 03.24.25 # the h3xx could with the kor firmware 03.24.27 # also 03.24.28 # *iriver defense mode enabled* :P 03.24.32 # hehe 03.24.35 # I didnt like where the company was going 03.24.41 # me too 03.24.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.24.44 # I liked the fact x5 had advertised LINUX support on the webpage 03.24.47 # that was neat of them 03.24.52 # and they advertised FLAC support 03.25.01 # I liked the philosophy of Cowon more than iRiver 03.25.05 # I dont like the h10's 03.25.11 # yeah they suck big time 03.25.14 # and Cowon doesnt seem to abandon their products 03.25.19 # but H100 and H300 are quite good 03.25.20 # the x5 is still going strong at Cowon.. 03.25.26 # the best in my opinion 03.25.32 # oh the H100 was the most badass player in my opinion 03.25.34 # with fucking OPTICAl out 03.25.39 # what? 03.25.51 # the iRiver Hxx had optical in;out 03.25.55 # I thought... 03.25.55 # yes 03.25.56 # it did 03.25.57 # yeah 03.25.59 # thats badass 03.26.00 # they have 03.26.03 # why? 03.26.06 # why not 03.26.11 # thats fucking hilarious 03.26.14 # it can come handy sometimes 03.26.14 # on a DAP 03.26.22 # especially a recording one 03.26.23 # yeah I am saying its a good thing 03.26.27 # its impressive 03.26.29 # you dont see that anymore 03.26.40 # so why you say dumbass? 03.26.46 # I said badass 03.26.48 # as in 03.26.51 # ah yes 03.26.53 # tone down the language please...this isnt part of IRC (or so we like to think) ;) 03.26.53 # thats awesome 03.26.54 # NickDe: I really loved my H120 03.27.16 # NickDe: your tone was like, optical out/in is rubbish 03.27.18 # Although to be honest, I never used it for more than playing mp3's. 03.27.19 # ha ha sorry.. I am all pumped about my Rockbox X% 03.27.26 # *5 03.27.46 # well okay, all daps are good if they are rockbox compatible 03.27.58 # burn the others (or port them) ;) 03.28.07 # XavierGr: and iPods? :P 03.28.19 # but yeah to sum it all up.. I didnt like where iRiver was going with players.. the clix thing is stupid.. h10's suck in my opinion..the H3xx was the last good player they made.. Cowon has better designs and stuff still coming out.. and they have good philosophies when it comes to Linux / FLAC support... 03.28.21 # I hate to say this but yes 03.28.35 # Hehe...that's quite a statement! 03.28.40 # ^Xavier 03.28.48 # NickDe: I aggree on the above 03.28.53 # yeah.. 03.29.09 # still I would never sold my h300 for an x5 (but in your case flac was very important) 03.29.33 # it was 03.29.34 # NickDe: Though Cowon's philosophy is what iriver used to have 03.29.39 # and back when I did it Rockbox wasnt viable 03.29.49 # yes it is..and I like it.. 03.29.55 # thats why I was an iRiver guy before.. 03.30.09 # yeah I can't say I am an iriver guy anymore 03.30.23 # their daps are sucky and a disgrace 03.30.29 # the H1xx was so nice .. looks, nice remote with LCD screen..just great stuff all around. 03.30.30 # Only thing that bothers me in the X5 is the use of subpack 03.30.33 # their turned to an Apple wannna be 03.30.35 # yes 03.30.39 # subpack is weird 03.30.42 # but .. I dont use it too much 03.30.46 # it stays at home for charging/transfer 03.30.53 # ah so you have an H100? 03.31.06 # nooo.. I wanted one..but they discontinued it and had to get an H3xx 03.31.13 # but I knew all about it 03.31.23 # I did get the LCD remote for the H3xx and rocked that for a while at school 03.31.26 # people were impressed 03.31.27 # I am a lucky one and have 2 of them :) 03.31.38 # I know Cowon has an LCD remote for my x5 03.31.40 # (H100s) 03.32.06 # I've got a 5.5g :/ 03.32.11 # I cant get rockbxo on it yet :( 03.32.14 # ewwwww! 03.32.16 # NickDe: I really wanted an h3x :p 03.32.22 # godzirra: you will soon 03.32.27 # or so I think 03.32.33 # XavierGr: I hope so... I miss my rockbox. ;p hehe 03.32.40 # godzirra: Someone in the channel today said that he managed to run Rockbox on a 5.5g 03.32.48 # oh? 03.32.50 # i missed that 03.32.50 # what was your previous dap godzirra? 03.32.59 Part Paul_the_Nerd 03.33.09 # Genre9mp3: who? 03.34.00 # scorche: Kalthare 03.34.05 # ah 03.34.06 # good 03.35.00 Join skruwilus [0] (n=skruwilu@dsl82-163-137-54.as15444.net) 03.35.11 # anyone here using mencoder to convert movies to their iaudio? 03.35.19 # i was wondering about how to convert them 03.35.30 # XavierGr: H-120 03.35.31 # i have tired a few times but i end up with really choppy and crappy quality 03.35.34 # without sound 03.35.35 # Ooh, kalthare managed it?? 03.35.45 # crud.. he didnt post anything about it, that I can see :/ 03.35.58 # anyone using their player for movies? 03.36.00 # godzirra: Check the logs 03.36.37 # skruwilus: I don't really see the point :) 03.36.41 # honestly. 03.36.46 # Genre9mp3: I dont have anything that logs. 03.36.56 # godzirra: naw, like southpark epidodes or whatnot 03.37.00 # i just wanna try it out 03.37.00 # godzirra: the site has logs 03.37.09 # skruwilus: I thought about tossing deadwood on there. 03.37.11 # from my tivo 03.37.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20061008.txt 03.37.27 # yeah 03.37.33 # well i cannot get it working :( 03.38.18 # hrm 03.38.28 # he got it running, but the issue hasnt been solved yet 03.38.38 Quit skruwilus (Client Quit) 03.39.03 # ok 03.39.10 # yeah, it seems like it doesnt work with his solution 03.39.13 # damn... got my hopes up :) 03.39.18 # yes... it seems that Windows can't recognize it 03.39.22 # it works 03.39.31 # but not available for gteneral use 03.39.38 # scorche: he said it doesnt work. 03.39.48 # I thought 03.39.53 # or maybe I misunderstood 03.39.53 # read again 03.40.13 # oh, it works but you have to use mtools to t ransfer anything? 03.40.24 # godzirra: yes 03.40.28 # windows and linux can't see the partition 03.40.28 # got it 03.40.29 # dont worry about it yet ;) 03.40.31 # oh well. 03.40.36 # Yeah, I know ;) 03.40.42 # I'm just over reager. 03.40.42 # eager 03.40.49 # patience! 03.43.04 # yeah yeah.. I know ;) 03.50.56 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 03.59.38 Join skruwilus [0] (n=skruwilu@dsl82-163-137-54.as15444.net) 03.59.39 # shit 03.59.43 # i got the movie working 03.59.46 # but there is no audio support 03.59.52 # bah 03.59.55 # Please try to avoid that sort of language in here. 04.00.00 # oh 04.00.01 # sorry 04.00.14 # And the official page on our mpegplayer plugin states that audio isn't supported yet. :-P 04.01.52 # yeah 04.01.54 # i saw that 04.01.58 # and i think its sad 04.02.05 # then fix it 04.02.07 # whats the point without sound 04.02.22 # i hope they fix it soon 04.02.31 # * scorche sighs and gives up 04.02.36 # scorche: i wish i could help out, but i just dont have the time 04.02.50 # scorche: but i agree with your point, i should not bitch about it 04.02.55 # skruwilus: Well, many of the people working on it don't have much time, and a lot of us don't particularly care about video 04.03.05 # So, it's not likely to improve until someone who does care about it finds the time 04.03.13 # i get that 04.03.14 # scorche: giving up after so much effort? that "then fix it" statement really must have taken a lot of effort. 04.03.42 # midkay: not really..i just put forth a minimal effort, then saw that it wasnt worth it 04.03.52 # The person who did a lot of the initial effort for Mpeg Playback is waiting for dual core support to end up working so that Audio can be added on iPod without a performance hit 04.05.16 # Unfortunatley the WIP dual core support in the tracker doesn't seem to work on 5G iPods. 04.07.27 # so, how does it look then? is anyone working on audio support atm? 04.08.32 # I don't believe anyone's working on audio support at all for the moment 04.08.47 Join k0rnz [0] (n=k0rnz@207-237-65-113.c3-0.avec-ubr12.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com) 04.10.02 # * Paul_the_Nerd could be wrong 04.14.07 # does the rockbox installer 1.0 work on 1st Gen Nanos with 1.2 firmware? 04.15.02 # never mind 04.15.08 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.17.23 Quit skruwilus ("leaving") 04.18.59 # * Paul_the_Nerd wishes they wouldn't call it "The Rockbox Installer" without including some hint in the name it's unofficial. 04.19.21 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 04.22.47 # Kalthare: that sounds like i could just hack the usb-storage driver to report 512-byte sectors and then proceed as for the 5G 04.24.32 # Kalthare: although i think i'm missing something 04.25.30 Quit SkeXis ("Leaving") 04.27.41 # Agh. 04.28.37 # Someone posted a suggestion that we use an installer, that as far as I can tell, will only let Rockbox be easily installed on someone using a Windows formatted iPod on a Mac computer, and since it doesn't reformat for you, it would theoretically lead to more confusion when someone thinks it works and Rockbox won't run. 04.28.41 # 04.29.55 # how do I get to the file browser to choose mp3s? 04.30.03 Part [g2] ("Leaving") 04.30.05 # I cant find it in any of my menus on a 1.2 ANano 04.30.19 # What do you mean? 04.30.28 # i mean just that 04.30.31 # The very first screen you see in Rockbox, unless resume is enabled, is your Filetree or TagCace. 04.30.34 # TagCache 04.32.58 # never mind i found it thanks 04.33.25 Quit k0rnz () 04.33.35 # that was all very "..." 04.33.46 # That's about par for support requests. 04.34.34 # i guess the "help!" reflex is sharper than the thinking reflex in a lot of people 04.35.12 # Or the reading the manual reflex, which seems to have been trained out of existence. 04.35.21 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 04.35.26 Quit pagefault (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.35.27 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 04.36.57 # Paul_the_Nerd: maybe we should write a paper on it 04.37.11 # i dont mind calling it the Louden phenomenon 04.37.53 # well, not phenomenon, but a word that somehow excapes me atm 04.38.06 # Hahaha 04.39.48 # does anyone know if the new IPOD features gapless playback? 04.40.09 # NickDe: We don't really concern ourselves with features of the retail firmware in here. 04.40.21 # Apple makes a claim to it, but I think it's only under very limited circumstances. 04.40.34 # i think you have to mark the album as gapless in iChews 04.40.54 # ahhh ok 04.41.04 # ha ha ha thanks 04.41.08 # was talking to a friend on the outside 04.41.13 # wanted to "burst" his bubble 04.41.14 # thanks 04.42.43 # Argh. New favorite enemy: People who expect me to somehow read their minds. 04.42.58 # that is new? 04.43.09 # Nothing at all. 04.43.24 # Just finally reached my saturation point on that issue. 04.43.58 # It's now the top of my list, at least until BK comes back and tries to explain to me again how "Slow screen updates" is an irrelevant problem during a "Codec Efficiency Test" based solely on boost ratio. 04.44.40 # * Paul_the_Nerd has just had a bad real world week, and is perhaps jumping on people too easily this week. 04.45.28 # * scorche found that thread entertaining 04.46.43 # I'm not a fan of ruling out any variable as "irrelevant" in any form of testing. 04.47.49 # I was thoroughly trained on the idea of "You cannot dismiss anything unless you can prove that it has not affected your testing, and then you can only dismiss it on the tests that this has been proved for" 04.49.51 # * Paul_the_Nerd wishes someone would respond to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6136 so he could know if he could close it. 04.52.13 # * midkay doesn't see any questions to respond to :) 04.52.31 # He never answered the first one. 04.53.46 # he acknowledged it with a question about how to reset, which you answered.. so he should be reset by now and without any questions to answer, right? :) 04.53.50 Join Ersan [0] (n=Nobody@96.172.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 04.54.15 # midkay: i don't consider his question an answer to my first, but maybe. 04.54.17 # is there a program that keeps the ipod firmware xml and rockbox tagcache synced? 04.54.37 # you asked if he reset, and he asked how to reset. 04.55.21 Join RedKrieg [0] (n=RedKrieg@ip68-10-83-27.hr.hr.cox.net) 04.55.24 # I got an implied "no" to the first one, but no actual answer. At least in my mind, and implied answer means nothing since it's not final. :) 04.55.30 # I'll ask if he still has the problem, then 04.56.03 # *shrugs* just kidding around about the way you worded it :) 04.56.17 # Ersan: If you use iTunes to update the iPod, and then have TagCache rebuild your database, they will be in sync, as long as the tags on your files are fine. 04.56.32 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.56.34 # nah 04.57.05 # i like the dir structure of rockbox and the interface of ipod fw 04.57.24 # Ersan: You mean "Use the iPod firmware with an arbitrary directory structure"? 04.57.42 # you know it 04.58.02 # Then you're in the wrong place to be asking. 04.58.08 # Seeing as we really have nothing to do with the retail firmware. 04.58.25 # this i know 04.58.27 # does rockbox 04.58.39 # add tagcache entries when a file is sent to the harddrive? 04.58.58 # or does it scan again when you reboot it 04.59.37 # TagCache can be set to automatically update, but you have to reboot the player between connecting and playing songs anyway. 05.00.36 # that totally didn't answer the question 05.00.41 # i guess it scans on boot? 05.00.52 # Why does it matter when it scans, at all? 05.01.11 # Rockbox isn't running while you transfer files, so the earliest possible time it can scan is during boot anyway. 05.01.30 # because i intend to write a patch that synchronizes and i'd like to know where to look? 05.03.18 # * Paul_the_Nerd recommends tagcache.c and tagcache.h 05.03.19 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB0C214.ipt.aol.com) 05.03.45 # As I imagine the functions doing the work are a little more useful than when they're called. 05.04.27 # so it seems 05.07.17 Join Captain_A [0] (n=dummeska@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 05.07.25 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 05.12.05 # so it runs build_tagcache? 05.13.29 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.13.29 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.17.11 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.24.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.25.56 Part Paul_the_Nerd 05.36.56 Join Burn [0] (i=cb333578@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 05.37.22 # hi everyone 05.38.13 # im having a problem, when i play a movie on my ipod in rockbox theres no sound and the pictures a little screwed, anyone know how to fix it? 05.38.42 # rvf? 05.38.52 # wats rvf? 05.40.01 Quit Burn (Client Quit) 05.41.21 Join vertic23 [0] (i=bla@dslb-084-056-248-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) 05.51.07 Quit pagefault (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.51.46 Quit vertic420 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.54.54 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 05.56.47 Part Paul_the_Nerd 05.58.20 Quit Ersan () 06.09.00 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 06.11.00 Join Burn [0] (i=cb333578@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 06.12.15 # hey im having trouble with my rockbox, when i play a movie the picture is a little screwed and theres no sound, could anyone help me with my problem? 06.13.01 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@67.64.117.17) 06.14.00 # Burn: we heard you the first time... 06.14.50 # and perhaps why no one answered you, is because you havent searched and tried to find the answer yourself 06.15.03 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 06.15.03 # (look at the wiki) 06.15.49 # could you tell me where abouts in wiki? 06.16.11 # the search function =) 06.16.20 # or perhaps the plugin index 06.16.31 # there are a lot of ways to find out.. 06.17.29 # ok 06.19.21 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 06.25.41 # does anyone use the mpegplayer on rockbox? 06.27.27 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=asa@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839607.dsl.bell.ca) 06.27.38 # hi all 06.27.56 # Burn: i am sure that you are not the only one... 06.28.05 # FINALLY! 06.28.08 # * Paul_the_Nerd does a victory dance. 06.28.20 # o_O 06.28.23 # I finally convinced that guy an N64 emulator would not be feasible in Rockbox. 06.28.28 # haha 06.28.31 # congrats 06.28.44 Join pagefault [0] (n=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 06.28.45 # I had assumed explaining that gameplay speed would be measured in "Minutes per Frame" rather than "Frames per second" would be enough. 06.29.00 # but it would be good practice! 06.29.04 # You cannot emulate a 64-bit RISC CPU that runs at 96mhz on a dinky little iPod. 06.29.18 # but it is dual-core@ 06.29.21 # ! 06.29.22 # Hahaha 06.29.32 # anybody here port rockbox on gigabeat-s ? 06.29.38 # He also couldn't understand why there wasn't some way to just "put" the emulator on there. 06.30.09 # but you can!...just download an emulator from the internet and rename the executable to .rock 06.30.27 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 06.31.18 # That's kinda what he wanted to do. 06.31.27 # "Which file would I have to put in the viewers folder?" was asked more than once. 06.33.42 # i loved the "that is the easy way" topic as well 06.34.03 # I *love* saying "That is the easy way." 06.34.45 # It's just always so ridiculous to me when someone says "Surely there must be an easier way" or anything similar to that. As if I just tell them the hard way for fun. 06.35.41 # JdGordon: there? 06.36.32 # Paul_the_Nerd: i dont see how you and febs can stand to browse misticriver...i browsed there a couple days ago and i got a headache... 06.36.36 Quit pagefault (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.38.01 # I can't stand it for long 06.38.20 # But I've found a checking up on it now and then provides a little preventative measure that helps prevent greater headaches later on. 06.38.33 # true 06.38.57 # It's not easy though 06.38.59 # 'tis a scary place 06.39.57 # aye...afterwards, i came back to rockbox.org and kissed and hugged the guidelines sticky 06.40.16 # I updated it slightly recently 06.40.51 # I added a few "Conventions" at the end regarding 1g/2g/3g vs 1gb/2gb/3gb and the use of "WPS" vs "Now playing screen" or "The music screen" and such 06.41.23 # nice...i was going to ask if you wanted to add that actually.. 06.41.59 # "us 1gb, 2gb, etc. (or 1Gb 2Gb) or type out full words" 06.42.04 # * scorche coughs 06.42.13 Quit netmasta10bt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.42.54 # ? 06.42.58 # Other than the "us" 06.43.04 # that is all 06.43.10 # =) 06.43.10 Part RogerBacon 06.52.29 # oh hey, there's a vfat blockize option 06.52.55 # (linux vfat filesystem mount option) 06.54.23 Quit Burn ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.56.01 # maybe i won't need to hack usb-storage at all 07.05.17 Join Ersan [0] (n=Nobody@96.172.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 07.05.20 # hm 07.09.51 # does anyone happen to have a backup of their nano firmware <1.2 07.09.55 # that they can send me 07.10.08 # Ersan: I don't think you can downgrade from 1.2 :/ 07.10.14 # At least you can't on the 5g's... 07.10.37 Part Paul_the_Nerd 07.10.46 # nah not downgrade 07.10.50 # i can't find my backup 07.11.03 # and it's acting squirrely with itunes 07.11.17 # as soon as itunes recognizes it it disconnects 07.11.38 # so i can't run the restore 07.11.50 # Ersan: was it apple_os.bin that you wanted? 07.11.54 # i have that 07.12.06 # bootpartition.bin 07.12.12 # unmodified 07.14.08 # yes/no/maybe 07.14.09 # ? 07.14.46 # or maybe figure out why it keeps disconnecting 07.14.54 # what is it doing? 07.15.38 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 07.17.11 # i plug it in 07.17.13 # itunes opens 07.17.21 # it mounts the drive 07.17.35 # then as soon as itunes recognizes it it unmounts 07.18.11 # have you tried changing the option that auto-loads itunes? 07.18.31 # (i have never touched itunes, so dont ask me where...) 07.19.34 # yeah it stays but now i can't run restore 07.20.10 # it is coming up with a drive letter correct? 07.20.19 # yes 07.20.44 # and as soon as you open itunes it disconnects? 07.21.03 # it unmountes yes 07.21.05 # mounts* 07.21.08 # if i try to run 'restore' 07.21.27 # it will act as if it's working for awhile and then say 'unknown error occured' 07.21.33 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 07.21.38 # i'm just assuming that it doesn't like the rockbox bootloader 07.22.00 # restore should work regardless 07.22.08 # it seems not 07.22.27 # 'Restoring ~iPod~... 07.23.14 # 'The iPod ~iPod~ could not be restored. An unknown error occured (1418). 07.23.58 # er 07.24.06 # now that i've googled it... 07.24.10 # wth? 07.24.15 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 07.24.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.24.54 # have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling itunes? 07.26.50 # i'll give it a shot i guess 07.26.58 # http://www.1418hell.com/ 07.27.01 # not encouraging 07.29.30 Quit mordov (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 07.30.05 # actually, that appears to be a site dedicated to that error on shuffles... 07.30.20 # indeed 07.30.34 # hm 07.31.04 # well i need to restart before I can install GEAR 07.31.06 # so brb 07.31.06 Quit Ersan () 07.32.08 # I'm working on making some code endian safe, is anyone around with a big endian target who can test? 07.34.50 # I've been told I have a big endian, but personally I think I'm just big boned. 07.35.19 # quiet, you 07.35.28 # sorry... 07.35.29 # haha. 07.35.48 # "quiet, you" is meant in jest, btw 07.35.57 # I know ;) 07.35.59 Join Ersan [0] (n=Nobody@96.172.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 07.36.09 # ah, good 07.36.24 # there's very little I take offense to on irc. :) 07.36.43 # I somehow manage to accidentally offend people from time to time. 07.36.50 # People should be thicker skinned. 07.36.55 # its irc. I dont know any of you people really ;) 07.37.02 # and even I did... who cares. :) 07.37.05 # I'd hate for anything to ruin our relationship. 07.37.11 # lol 07.37.32 # my ipod hates me :( 07.37.38 # * godzirra comforts ersan 07.37.43 Quit pagefault ("Leaving") 07.37.51 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 07.37.59 # godzirra: you actually have an ipod anyway, don't you 07.38.08 # Yup. 07.38.13 # How come? 07.38.19 # Is an ipod big endian? 07.38.23 # little endian, so you are of no use to me 07.38.31 # Story of my life, my friend. 07.38.39 # ;) 07.39.38 # grr 07.40.06 # who was it that was sending me their unmodified firmware 07.40.19 # no one as of yet... 07.40.23 # oh 07.40.23 # you 07.40.30 # yeah it doesn't appear to have worked 07.40.49 # 1418 07.40.52 # well, i dont mind sending it to you, but it carries no guarantees or even warranties 07.40.55 # ;) 07.41.21 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 07.41.22 # idc, i have a backup of the rockbox firmware if it doesn't work 07.41.33 # loader rather 07.41.43 # i am going to need your email... 07.41.50 # address 07.41.59 # haven't we been over this 07.42.05 # no we havent 07.42.22 # if it was in Pm, i didnt get it, which means you arent registered with nickserv 07.42.30 # oh 07.42.33 # ersan191@gmail.com 07.42.45 # Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) 07.42.46 # is the .bin created by ipod_fw supposed to be much smaller than the boot partition on the ipod? 07.42.47 # hadn't read that 07.43.10 # someone's stolen my nick so i can't register 07.43.28 # if it wasn't registered, it's not stealing 07.43.29 # sneakums: yes, quite a bit smaller 07.43.32 # sneakums: it should be about 5 megs 07.43.42 # 13 here, for -g 5g 07.43.57 # that too 07.43.59 # 5,059KB 07.44.04 # nano 07.44.16 # i have 5,042KB for nano! 07.44.22 # yours is lame 07.44.33 # mine is just on a diet 07.45.33 # hmm, it bounces into emergency disk mode really quickly 07.45.41 # it's not clear from what Kalthare if a vanilla bootloder was used 07.46.45 Join ErikTheRed [0] (n=erik@71.194.173.29) 07.47.10 # um, hoping to get some help here 07.47.10 # lol 07.47.14 # scorche 07.47.20 # might not need 07.47.21 # hang on 07.47.30 # * scorche hides behind a tree 07.47.37 # i really managed to mess up my ipod mini i was putting rockbox on 07.47.45 # i kinda deleted the partition table 07.47.48 # i love how bad apple is at writing windows software 07.47.53 # but i have backups of all the relevant stuff 07.48.07 # but i'm having trouble restoring my mbr.bin 07.48.48 # lol 07.48.51 # god that was stupid 07.48.54 # * scorche consults his crystal ball to see if he can magically see what problem ErikTheRed is having 07.49.13 # i had to unplug it in the middle of it trying to restore 07.49.16 # then plug it back in 07.49.19 # and it worked 07.49.48 # nm i just got it to work 07.49.50 # that was dumb 07.49.55 # i did the same exact thing as last time 07.49.59 # but it decided to work this time 07.50.10 # that's the definition of apple 07.50.12 # * scorche cheers as his crystal ball solved 2 issues at once 07.50.15 # * ErikTheRed shrugs 07.50.38 # * scorche shrugs at Ersan 07.50.44 # i do rockbox...not apple ;) 07.51.09 # i'm afraid i'm through with the rockbox :\ 07.51.18 # why? 07.51.20 # hehe i'm just glad i didn't have to pay for this ipod 07.51.23 # uglie 07.51.28 # hand-me-downs for the win 07.51.33 # ...there are themes 07.51.40 # so i've heard 07.51.56 # hmm, patched bootloader just goes directly to the emergency disk screen too 07.51.58 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@dhcp90.contactor.se) 07.52.00 # the themes don't add animation 07.52.06 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 07.52.12 # what do you mean? 07.52.30 # yes, Apple's jerky menu animation is quite the feature 07.52.37 # i mean it looks like i'm navigating a c64 no matter what theme i use 07.53.00 # http://zork.net/~sneakums/floydian-rockbox.png <-- i'll probably use a theme like this 07.53.31 # thats funny. 07.53.32 # Ersan: http://tinypic.com/qskwm9.jpg 07.53.33 # ...a C64... 07.53.39 # thats a screen shot of an ipod 5g with rockbox. 07.53.40 # sneakums: ooh, cool 07.53.49 # whoopdie doo a picture of a car 07.53.58 # My point is it doesnt look like a C64 :p 07.53.59 # jeez. 07.54.14 # it also isn't aesthetically pleasing 07.54.18 # So make your own wps. 07.54.19 # its not hard. 07.54.24 # I have the default WPS with the peakmeter disabled because I'm using some very computationally intensive codecs 07.54.28 # your gripe was that it looked like a c64. 07.54.32 # I showed you that it doesnt have to 07.54.36 # thus your argument is invalidated. 07.54.38 # Ersan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano 07.54.45 # if you want to argue -other- aesthetic problems, feel free ;) 07.54.46 # yes the wps is fine 07.54.50 # it's the navigating i have a problem with 07.54.56 # it looks like crap 07.55.03 # how? 07.55.07 # it just does 07.55.16 # ah..good argument 07.55.23 # well enjoy your apple os... 07.55.31 # * scorche shrugs 07.55.46 # lol 08.01.30 # give me a good theme 08.01.32 Quit Quazgaa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.01.51 # i dont know your tates... 08.01.56 # tastes even 08.02.36 # Terrible Terry Tate, Office Linebacker 08.03.34 # hmm, will setting a background image for the wps necessarily increase cpu usage? 08.04.14 # very slightly, i suppose, since it has to combine the image and text now instead of just writing the text with a solid background 08.04.38 # I wonder if the solid background is stored anyway 08.05.37 # all any of these themes show is the WPS 08.05.58 # i wanna know what the navigation looks like.. 08.06.05 # well, just imagine the file tree with that background and that font 08.06.09 # and you're pretty much there 08.06.20 # background isn't usually changed, though it can be 08.06.44 # seems like it usually is 08.06.48 # and you guys honestly don't think the original apple interface looks better 08.07.09 # it's a bit slicker 08.07.12 # i don't know if that makes it better 08.07.13 # I alwasys thought the original apple interface was very plain 08.07.33 # hrm....only difference is the font ans a little arrow at the end 08.07.55 # and the icons 08.07.58 # oh...and the jerky motion that has been mentioned 08.08.03 # what icons? 08.08.17 # the status bar at the top? 08.08.23 # i don't remember seeing many icons in the ipod navigation 08.08.36 # only icon i have seen is the arrow at the end.. 08.08.37 # the battery icon 08.08.48 # the progress bars 08.09.03 # the row selection is a gradient 08.09.04 # progress bars are only on the WPs... 08.09.07 # so is the header 08.09.10 # i can't say i spend long staring at that stuff 08.10.03 # slick is what i'm looking for 08.10.26 # well, 80 gigs and vorbis playback is what i'm looking for 08.10.46 # well since i have a 4gb nano and i use mp3's, that kind of defeats the purpose 08.10.57 # honestly, i dont care...if that is enough to make you want to go running back to the apple os, then go for it 08.11.16 # the apple firmware doesn't let me keep my own directory structure 08.11.21 # that's the only reason i use rockbox 08.11.44 # but rockbox doesnt have the gradient....THE GRADIENT! 08.11.52 # it's ugly as sin 08.11.56 # idc what skin you put on it 08.12.03 # it's just inherently ugly 08.12.16 # honestly, who cares? Did you buy a nano to stare at it all day? 08.12.30 # no? 08.12.46 # Then pick rockbox or apple firmware. Move on. :) 08.12.56 # both have their flaws. Oh well. 08.13.13 # godzirra: "flaws" ;) 08.13.15 # and that's it? 08.13.29 # in my not so humble opinion, yes. 08.13.41 # Ersan: we dont care which you use...are you expecting us to beg you to use rockbox? =P 08.13.55 # Ersan: it's not inherently ugly. it just happens that nobody's written the code to do dipslay stuff like you want 08.13.55 # no it's called a discussion 08.14.01 Join BrianInCa [0] (n=n7moe@208-201-238-107.dsl.static.sonic.net) 08.14.11 # it's hard to have a discussion about matters of opinion 08.14.14 # no 08.14.15 # it's not 08.14.19 # it's what people do all day long 08.14.20 # it's not like we're discussing what the moon is made of 08.14.27 # really? 08.14.32 # if people discussed facts all the time there'd be nothing to discuss 08.14.34 # i have a job, i work for a fair chunk of the day 08.14.34 # facts don't change 08.14.38 # in what paradise do you live? 08.14.55 # People often think their opinion is fact. 08.15.10 # speaking of fact, i wonder if i am screwing up creating this boot image 08.15.28 # how could you possibly screw it up 08.15.39 # by doing something wrong 08.15.52 # the instructions are in very plain english 08.16.06 # yes, yes they are. 08.16.19 # but i have to patch and build the bootloader myself, so already there is a new variable 08.16.19 # or perhaps other languages, i haven't looked 08.16.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall 08.17.37 # lol 08.17.38 # Thats cute. 08.17.42 # that's kind of not relevant, since i'm not even getting to the bootloader 08.17.50 # which is why i am currently looking at IpodInstallation 08.17.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation then 08.18.08 # ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin 08.18.10 # i am quite adept at unzipping my own builds onto my iriver 08.18.24 # i guess you can't read 08.18.31 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.219.219) 08.18.50 # maybe you should be looking at iRiver installation then... 08.19.02 # that's not much help, since i have an ipod here 08.19.09 # my iriver is over there, with a nicely working rockbox on it 08.19.21 # yes so building firmware takes three commands 08.19.43 Join mordov [0] (n=mordov@mail.furuno.no) 08.19.55 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#Step_1_Install_the_bootloader 08.19.55 # ezpk 08.20.32 # or if you're one of those supermorons you read about in the papers 08.20.43 # you can use RockBox Installer X 08.20.57 # since it does the same thing 08.22.50 # so when i've built the bootloader, it ends up in bootloader/bootloader.bin yes? 08.23.40 # if you read that 08.23.43 # i also have bootloader.img in the current directory, but that looks too big (77K) versus 58K for bootloader/bootloader.bin 08.23.45 # it'd be rockboot.bin 08.23.51 # no, it wouldn't 08.24.03 # rockboot.bin is what you get when you combine the bootloader and the two apple firmware files 08.24.17 # assuming you even name it that 08.24.24 # which admittedly is a reasonable thing to do 08.24.32 # ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin 08.25.03 # why are you looking in the bootloader folder anyway 08.25.13 # because i just built a patched bootloader 08.25.21 # and i would like to make sure i am using the right file 08.26.10 # night guys 08.26.21 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 08.26.28 # night 08.28.48 Join initself [0] (n=mike@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) 08.28.50 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.29.19 # If I sent the development team a seemingly fried iAudio M3L, would that be helpful in the least? 08.36.34 # i'm inclined to say no 08.36.48 # usually you have to pay people to fix stuff you've broken 08.37.33 # Ersan: he isnt wanting to have it fixed.. 08.38.19 # initself: most likely not...a dev has to have the motivation to port rockbox...i dont believe any have any such feelings about the M 08.38.26 Part ErikTheRed ("Konversation terminated!") 08.38.46 # buhbye 08.38.50 Quit Ersan () 08.39.04 # ding dong, the witch is dead 08.39.10 # heh 08.39.35 Join webguest03 [0] (i=d4d10305@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 08.40.07 Quit webguest03 (Client Quit) 08.41.10 Part BrianInCa 08.42.23 # big endian testers wanted for NSF player: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6122 08.44.02 # arm? 08.44.04 # I forget 08.44.07 # I think it is 08.44.18 # iPods are little endian 08.44.24 # ah 08.44.24 # arm can be either 08.44.34 # what about in the case of the h10 08.44.41 # same 08.45.05 # ARMs are almost always used little endian 08.45.23 # pagefault: I'd be glad if you tested it on anything you have, anyway 08.45.30 # but they can still be either! ;) 08.45.40 # sure, as all modern archs can 08.45.44 # It's getting to the point where I'm running out of problems to fix 08.46.03 Join ollepelle [0] (i=linus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 08.46.41 Quit ollepelle (Client Quit) 08.47.10 # * amiconn doesn't even know what NSF is 08.47.27 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1bd8f0801778003b) 08.47.28 # Nintendo Entertainment System/Famicom music 08.47.37 # similar to SID 08.48.07 # Ah, so it's very unlikely I have any such tunes 08.48.11 # SID is a chip 08.48.25 # right, well, the file format is called SID 08.48.42 # sloppy terminology 08.48.43 # in the NES' case it is primarily the 2A03 pAPU 08.49.02 # though I have support for a number of expansions, some running full speed 08.49.34 # the point remains that they are similar, both even 6502-based 08.50.36 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.50.240) 08.54.06 # hello 08.54.16 # Wii apparently will run a Linux variant 08.55.06 # if you ask to get rockbox ported to it, i am going to stab you 08.55.09 # ;) 08.55.15 # heh 08.55.24 # once again, I was in the wrong channel 08.56.06 Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m173.telcomplus.net) 09.00.10 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-037-160.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.00.50 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!") 09.01.42 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.01.46 # * JdGordon is not cut out for work :'( 09.06.53 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-72.dynamic.qsc.de) 09.08.29 Quit secleinteer_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.10.03 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.10.58 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-54666e199dc81a7f) 09.11.48 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 09.12.10 # petur: Your H340 explode yet? 09.12.15 # nope 09.12.21 # but no playback either 09.12.35 # crap 09.12.39 # indeed 09.12.54 # I loaded it just before jumping on my bike to work ;) 09.13.07 # what happens? just silence or worse? 09.13.12 # silence 09.13.40 # and a very loud POP if I rolo another version 09.13.49 # (which won't play - codec failure) 09.14.06 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 09.14.11 # older version won't play with newer codecs for sure 09.14.17 # indeed 09.14.27 # .. so just continuing the discussion from 8ish hours ago... the jump to random folder patch is acceptable? 09.14.56 # * jhMikeS is frustrated at having to guess all this with the uda1380 :( 09.15.55 # * petur is frustrated that jhMikeS guessed wrong :p 09.16.10 # petur: nice comment on Flyspray! It works on x5 all the way 09.16.25 # * petur downloads CVS version 09.17.31 # patch comment edited... 09.21.04 # thants better !:) 09.22.12 # nice docking station: http://reviews.designtechnica.com/images/full_reviews/jbl/radial/radial_big.jpg 09.24.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.28.03 # JdGordon: random folder patch? that sounds wierd. what's it for? 09.28.18 # guess 09.28.28 # jump to a random folder at the end of the current folder, instead of just giong to the next folder 09.29.14 # Right now moving to the next folder is broken anyway, without the randomness, isn't it? 09.29.29 # I was thinking it was that but didn't want to sounds stupid if I wrong :P Maybe I sounded stupider for not guessing publicly. :) 09.29.30 # is it? 09.29.38 # People have been complaining of playback glitches, and it's come down to them only happening using file/folder playback instead of playlists, and only when trying to move on to the next one. 09.30.06 # * jhMikeS 's typing makes him sound like english as second language 09.31.59 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 09.32.01 Quit solarflare (Client Quit) 09.32.22 # jhMikeS: your mother is a horse 09.32.37 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 09.34.32 Mode "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 09.35.56 # goodmorning Linus ;) 09.36.18 # yes, hello +o LinusN :) 09.36.31 # moo 09.36.49 # LinusN: is your mother a cow? :p 09.37.10 # Quazgaa: and all this time...I guess that explains...hehe 09.37.12 # petur: damn. you're on to me :-) 09.40.11 # Man from the looks of things in the datasheet SYSCLK should be irrelevant with those settings...could be something else 09.41.44 # jhMikeS: this patch is a MONSTER :-) 09.42.26 # jhMikeS: is this really correct: 09.42.28 # void pcm_set_frequency(unsigned int frequency) 09.42.28 # { 09.42.28 # - pcm_freq=frequency; 09.42.28 # Which patch is this? 09.42.29 DBUG Enqueued KICK LinusN 09.42.29 # + pcm_freq = hw_freq_sampr[HW_FREQ_DEFAULT]; 09.42.31 # } 09.42.46 # jhMikeS: gcc should warn you there 09.44.14 # It did and I changed it in other areas I guess I didn't build that particular config... 09.44.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6106 09.44.28 # Thankee 09.44.39 # (latest one is at the bottom) 09.45.19 # If the UDA would only work and give it a pass on SPDIF I think it could go in 09.46.02 # LinusN: You don't like MONSTER patches? 09.46.23 # no i don't 09.46.31 # hrrm... 09.46.39 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.46.39 # * LinusN charges his trusty h140 09.47.14 # * Bagder uses his h140 to test is messed up usb 09.47.20 # s/is/his 09.47.36 # using a Rockbox several months old ;-) 09.47.37 # Most of it is generic software that I can test a lot...but you'd rather I scrap it all? 09.48.02 # jhMikeS: huh? 09.48.43 # * LinusN builds a h140 build of a monster patch 09.49.12 # LinusN: You say you don't like MONSTER patches...how come? People wanted sample rate (me too), quiet internal mic recording...faster encoding...so there it is 09.49.28 # Those sound like three patches, to me. 09.49.31 # jhMikeS: monster patches are hard to review 09.50.00 # .. and hard to find bugs 09.50.08 # * JdGordon curses my latest uber-monsetr patch 09.50.13 # linux-usb-devel, here we go 09.50.21 # I would have done it it parts if possible but they are all interdependent 09.50.29 # jhMikeS: i know 09.50.47 # JdGordon: the menu patch? 09.50.55 # ye 09.51.08 # that's a perfect example of a monster patch :-) 09.51.13 # As far as what preglow wanted (full duplex) I just planted a seed here and that can be done with minimal change to this 09.51.22 # and its impossible to split into smaller ones :'( 09.52.04 # I'm perfectly comfortable with this just cause I've done so much testing on my own hardware. It's just those little bits I can't check. 09.54.11 # And the iRivers were working before sans 11 kHz very well...that dang uda...ahhhh! 09.57.34 # * jhMikeS fixed those lines that LinusN pointed out 09.57.59 # jhMikeS: i don't remember if we have ever tried using the WSPLL on the UDA 10.00.09 # jhMikeS: i think we need to set the PON_PLL bit in reg 2 10.00.13 # LinusN: really, but I suppose it should work. Not to sound repetitive or anything but I can't sit here and experiment atm until I get it to work like I could on the x5. That's why I'm looking for an H1x0 atm. 10.00.31 # Lemme look...probably forgot something 10.01.12 # we set reg 2 to PON_BIAS but it should be PON_BIAS|PON_PLL 10.02.31 # heh...it's like wondering why the TV wont work and finding out it's not plugged in. :) 10.02.47 # ok...did that 10.04.45 # What about REG_DEC_VOL? 10.05.03 # playback works for me now 10.05.13 # did you try the plugin? 10.05.19 # hang on 10.06.04 # works 10.06.12 # all of them? 10.06.16 # yes 10.06.20 # sweet 10.06.44 # can record at differnt samplerates? 10.06.47 # or rather "yyyyeeeeeeeesssss" in 11khz :-) 10.07.00 # lol 10.07.23 # That would be "yyyyeeeessss" :-) 10.07.42 # :-P 10.08.29 # Just changed PON_PLL only? 10.09.09 # yes 10.09.42 # i can only select 44.1 and 22.05 in the recording settings 10.09.47 # and the recording? didn't try that yet or are you? :) 10.10.03 # LinusN: What F you can select depends on format. Try wav or wvpk 10.10.19 # i discovered that just now 10.11.20 # funny that 88.2 is not usable with any of the encoders :-) 10.11.41 # The ADC doesn't work at 88.2 10.11.53 # Not for the uda...I can use it with the tlv 10.12.03 # i see 10.12.18 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 10.12.36 # monitoring doesn't work 10.12.53 # You have data coming in? 10.13.13 # not a thing 10.13.35 Quit dan_a (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.13.43 # *crying* 10.13.45 # and i got "IBC: at 00000000" when leaving the recording screen :-) 10.15.33 # ok...haven't seen that...what's IBC? 10.15.41 # i dunno 10.16.24 # can plugins access the yesno screen? 10.16.27 # It's not even in the interrupt list :-\ 10.18.17 # LinusN: You said you had nothing so that mean no peaks on record right? 10.18.24 # right 10.18.39 Join obo [0] (i=hidden-u@195.129.25.205) 10.18.50 # *crying and banging head* 10.20.29 # * scorche feels sorry for jhMikeS 10.21.11 # * scorche pats jhMikeS's back 10.21.39 # the playback thing was solved but there must an answer for recording with the WSPLL 10.21.48 # rrrr 10.22.20 Join webguest95 [0] (i=3efd602c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.22.43 # morning 10.24.38 # anyone able to help me with a question about rockbox on an iriver 140 using in the car? 10.25.05 # jhMikeS: the iriver uses different IIS ports for playback and recording 10.25.15 # webguest95: just ask 10.25.48 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host41-128.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 10.25.58 # I though I looked at that and it had IIS2 for everything...I just goofed...hrm 10.26.00 # thanks - there's an undoc'd feature in the setting saying car mode - it does pause the iriver when I turn off the ignition but doesn't power it off 10.26.33 # is there a way i can make it a) power off when I switch the car off and back on when i turn the car on? 10.27.04 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 10.27.49 # webguest95: off is possible, on is not 10.28.05 # shame - ok so how do i make it turn off? 10.28.07 # use the idle poweroff timer 10.28.28 # oh ok - i did that - set it to 1min 10.28.46 # is the power on impossible from the hardware then? 10.28.54 # correct 10.28.58 # thanks 10.29.15 # also just bought an archos av500 - will there be a port for that? 10.29.31 # only because its got no sleep timer on it - lol 10.30.42 # iRiver should use IIS2 to monitor...I don't remember IIS1 ever being configured in any pcm_*.c...where would that be set up. 10.30.43 # webguest95: not likely, check out avos or medios 10.30.49 # Lastly a huge thanks to everyone involved in rockbox - its made turning my iriver on go from 2 mins to 3 seconds! 10.31.12 # jhMikeS: i think it's because the default iis1 values worked out of pure luck 10.31.25 # webguest95: you're welcome :-) 10.31.31 # bye! 10.31.35 Quit webguest95 ("CGI:IRC") 10.31.56 # ahhh...well no more obviously 10.34.21 # so there should either be a separate set_rec_frequency() function, or the existing set_frequency() should set up both IIS1 and IIS2 10.34.25 # But the coldfire should be essentially treated as the master on the output lines as well? 10.35.13 # but we would probably not want to set up IIS1 unless we really want to record 10.35.17 # I suppose the default IIS is for the clocks to be unputs so nothing would be clocking data out of the uda 10.35.24 # exactly 10.36.22 # and we only want IIS1 to drive the clock wen we are recording, to save (a tiny little bit of) power and to keep interference at a minimum 10.36.57 # I can modify the pcm_apply_settings to do that...I suppose its irrelevant for the x5 10.36.58 # ah, we can use clocksel 10.37.02 # yes 10.37.06 # "follow iis2" 10.37.28 # so we can do the opposit from what it was 10.37.44 # iis1 follows iis2 instead 10.37.49 # Think we can just leave it that way? 10.37.59 # i'll give it a shot 10.38.34 # If so then we can just leave it set that way all day and leave pcm_apply_settings alone 10.43.54 # gotta to run up to the store...be back in 15-20 10.45.01 Part Paul_the_Nerd 10.47.13 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.55.08 # jhMikeS: damn, follow IISx doesn't work as i thought 10.55.50 # it doesn't follow the other clock, it *uses* the other clock 10.58.08 # hmmm 11.02.09 # that may still be what we want 11.02.23 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 11.09.04 # jhMikeS: Could you remind me why we want the wspll instead of master mode? 11.10.39 # amiconn: i believe it is because we can't make mclk generate 11.025 khz 11.10.47 # back 11.11.25 # yes...the /4 errata 11.11.59 # I think you can use the audio clk/n settings perhaps 11.12.10 # jhMikeS: i tried a quick hack to set up iis1 to follow iis2, but no cigar 11.14.27 # I may put the IIS1 config right in tlv320_enable_recording for the time being as that relevant to that anyway but I'm gonna hide all this stuff from the DSP plugins and will have a function like pcm_enable_recording to do the dirty work 11.14.28 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.14.50 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@208-110-158-224.customer.csolutions.net) 11.18.23 # LinusN: We don't need to use the wspll for that 11.18.54 # amiconn: oh? 11.19.00 # We can clock the uda with the same MCLK as for 22050Hz and set the sysclk divider to 512 instead of 256 11.19.56 # Even with the wspll we would need to adapt uda settings to the input frequency range 11.20.15 # They get adapted 11.20.34 # Isn't 256 the slowest setting already? 11.20.38 # i think it would be nice to use slave mode on both playback and recording 11.20.55 # Hmm, I can see one single advantage of using the wspll - for monitoring an spdif recording with a sample frequency not equal to one of (44100, 22050, 11025) 11.21.16 # For all other cases, we could rather save the wspll power 11.21.45 # hmmm 11.24.00 # Won't 512 actually double the speed? 11.24.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.26.15 # It's a _divider_ 11.26.54 # But does it divide by more at 256*fs or 512*fs? 11.31.25 # What does using the WSPLL have to do with slave mode or not? :-\ 11.31.33 # sysclk=256*fs means the sysclk is 256 times the sample frequency, iow, fs = sysclk /256 11.32.08 # yes 11.36.10 Join neighbors [0] (i=http___w@adsl-71-141-121-16.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 11.36.28 # Hi, is there a way to see how many times a file has been played? 11.37.22 # And if so, a way to generate an ordered list descending by play count 11.39.10 # So I guess setting just using FXTAL/2 and using sysclk/512 will render you 11025 but no honest 88200 will be available without the WSPLL since theres no sysclk*128 setting 11.39.32 # Fs*128 even 11.39.40 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host41-128.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 11.41.19 # otoh, is 88.2khz really necessary? 11.41.36 # neighbors: I think tagcach has some kind of a rating system, and there's also an audioscrobbler patch in the patchtracker 11.42.22 # * obo wonders what he can do to change that :) 11.42.35 # lol 11.42.53 # keep nagging ;) 11.43.25 # i think it is in a committable state 11.43.36 # yay! 11.44.54 # petur: ah thank you. Looks like there is a experimental feature in the TagCache for it 11.46.58 Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-037-160.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.47.08 # jhMikeS: As I said, wspll might be useful for spdif monitoring anyway (provided we can set the divider thing live) 11.47.22 # amiconn, jhMikeS: so what do we think? my opinion is that using slave mode in all cases would be convenient 11.47.32 # 88.2 is impossible on uda for recording; for playback it should be possible 11.47.36 # So the WSPLL can on for 88.2 and off for all others. I'm not sure how you'll get the SPDIF clock out to the uda. 11.47.38 # but is the pll uses a lot of power, it might be a bad idea 11.48.02 # I guess the wspll won't use much power 11.48.08 # I know the limits on recording 11.48.16 # jhMikeS: Ah, hmm, that's a problem... 11.48.33 # That's why the 88kHz bit mask is not set for recording in the cofig file 11.48.35 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.48.40 # You can't use the regenerated ebu clock for anything else but measuring... 11.48.51 # Somewhat silly design imho 11.49.16 # not the first silly design in the coldfire, is it? :-) 11.49.27 Join Rincewind [0] (n=Miranda@i3ED6FC62.versanet.de) 11.49.38 # so if no one has any violent disagreements about it, who may I nag to get it committed? 11.49.57 # obo: i don't have any issues with it 11.50.21 # i guess we need to decide if it is a wanted feature on the archos 11.50.22 # I already have it setting the monitoring to the f closest to the spdif rate 11.51.07 # LinusN: I guess that's the only unknown - I haven't had any feedback to even say if it's working on those targets 11.51.10 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDB57.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.51.54 # obo: i assume it works just fine 11.51.58 # I guess I can try setting IIS1 as audio clk/n just like IIS2 is 11.52.08 # but it increases the binary size 11.52.20 # jhMikeS: yes 11.52.24 # LinusN: I did have to add a function into mpeg.c, which AFAIK is untested 11.52.42 # If the PLL is a problem with power, I'll just adjust the way things are done and use it only when needed 11.53.59 # One other thing I talking to preglow about is to have the dsp run at hardware samplerates to reduce resampling 11.55.54 Quit Kalthare ("Leaving.") 11.56.54 # jhMikeS: i'm curious about pcm_apply_settings() 11.57.20 # mostly about this one: 11.57.23 # SET_IIS_CONFIG((freq_ent[FPARM_CLOCKSEL] << 12) | 11.57.48 # FPARM_CLOCKSEL is always 0 11.58.40 # hmmm, now i get it 11.58.44 Quit Adam_G ("Haha, just kidding.") 11.59.35 # I'm just selecting the byte out of the list 11.59.52 # yes 12.01.48 # just really to have it readable and changable over (*freq_ent << 12) or something 12.04.56 # pcm_change_monitor isn't used at all...but I'm thinking about voice during recording at some point and the need to switch monitoring without disturbing other stuff 12.07.38 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC") 12.07.40 # I'm wondering...the spdif should still work since it uses another route 12.09.02 Join Rincewind_ [0] (n=Miranda@proxy1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.09.16 # possibly, but i don't have an s/pdif source at hand right now 12.09.57 # * jhMikeS will keep the "one* call does it all" approach and make it work :) *one may be two to four 12.10.08 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 12.11.52 # :D all done 12.12.35 # * jhMikeS hates having register setup in what's basically app code :B 12.13.29 # * petur walks off to lunch 12.13.41 Quit petur ("hmmm") 12.16.12 # JdGordon: what'd you do? I'm scared! 12.16.50 # all will be revelead... :D 12.17.33 # Oh holy mother it's the settings patch! 12.17.46 # nope... 12.17.49 # oh 12.17.56 # FAIL 12.18.10 # * scorche puts his stamp back in its jewelled case 12.19.36 # scorche: Who got stamped now? 12.19.47 # =) 12.20.45 Quit pike^lapt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.23.28 # LinusN: do you you think that my record button configuration patch (#5555) could be submitted to cvs? The only thing that is missing now is a few #defines so that it doesen't affect other targets (imho) 12.23.28 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.24.01 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 12.26.05 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.28.46 # Rincewind_: well, it looks (almost) allright codewise, but i'm not sure if we want that feature 12.29.01 # hehe Mr. Impatient :D 12.29.08 # opps 12.29.10 # ignore me 12.29.11 # JdGordon: :-)' 12.29.34 # I started a few discussions about it, but it never came to a conclusion. I suppose someone just has to decide it. 12.29.45 # Ricewind: The rec. button use in your patch is while in WPS only, right? 12.29.45 # i guess so 12.30.06 # it used in wps and in file browser 12.30.10 # Oh... ok 12.30.20 # but it could be extended to give different options for filebrowser 12.30.51 # So currently, you can set the same action for wps and file browser? 12.30.56 # yes 12.31.14 # I think it would be great if could set different actions on these two 12.31.20 # if you could 12.31.31 # the options are: show current playlist, show themes dir, show plugins, show recording screen, show recording screen and start recording 12.31.45 # JdGordon: have I has my privileges taken away? :-( 12.31.54 # which ones? 12.32.02 # Rincewind_: i don't understand the code in gwps.c 12.32.09 # different options for file browser and wps are easy to add, I just have to know which one 12.32.15 # it calls user_action() twice 12.32.20 # Rincewind_: Sounds interesting.. 12.32.26 # Any of them...commit, flyspray, anything? 12.32.27 # LinusN, mom, I'm starting my editor 12.32.45 # Rincewind_: ignore me 12.32.55 # * jhMikeS is getting paranoid 12.33.02 # * LinusN cleans his glasses 12.33.24 # Rincewind_: One action could do the rec button in file browser would be to enque files 12.33.45 # Genre9mp3: yes, I would like that, too 12.34.14 # Another one would be "open with" 12.34.15 # * JdGordon thought everyone was dead against user configurable buttons? 12.34.33 # JdGordon: Why's that? 12.34.38 # define "anyone" 12.34.46 # * JdGordon _thought_ 12.34.59 # * LinusN is not a fan of configurable buttons 12.35.26 # * Rincewind_ is not a fan of buttons that do things he doesn't ever use 12.35.29 # Jd/Linus: If there's a problem just tell me and I'll be gone 12.35.41 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3036.gwdg.de) 12.35.41 # jhMikeS: what are you talking about? 12.35.52 # I think that it's not bad to have a configurable button... 12.36.46 # the only problem I see is, that if we give irivers a config button, the ipod users cry because they can't have one :-) 12.36.47 # I don't know...my paranoias going throught the roof...wonder if I went overboard on something...Jd says all will be revealed and of course I think it's something bad about me :\ 12.37.05 # * scorche gives jhMikeS some pills 12.37.07 # haha chill dude :D 12.37.08 # And I certaintly prefer to be able to set a "favorite" action to it than have it redundant 12.37.17 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.37.27 # * jhMikeS likes pills...are benzos? 12.37.35 # are they even? 12.37.40 # * LinusN goes to lunch 12.37.43 # Rincewind_: ipod users have to find first buttons and then cry! :P 12.37.45 # enjoy 12.38.09 # jhMikeS: they are unmarked pills that came from my pocket 12.38.25 # LinusN: If I'm not around when you come to a conclusion, please add your thoughts as a comment to my patch 12.38.25 # acorche: probably tick tacks 12.38.51 # if you thinkthey are ;) 12.39.04 # mmmm.... funny tic tacs.. :D 12.39.17 # or maybe frog pills ^^ 12.39.33 # (if you know the discworld you know what I mean) 12.40.01 # * jhMikeS takes the electric tick tacks 12.40.03 # * obo mutters about dried frogs pills 12.40.34 # jhMikeS: uhhh...actually, i need those back...i meant to take pills from my other pocket 12.40.44 # crap...they were blue huh... 12.42.54 # Rincewind_: Another action the rec. button could do besides "enque" and "open with" is "cut" "copy" or even "delete" 12.44.01 # oh, I wouldn't like that, because c&p is two actions, so it's not very useful to put one of the two (or three) on a button 12.44.55 # * scorche sticks with enqueue, insert, and open with 12.44.57 # this would need a new concept of "modes", so enter a c&p mode and have buttons to do c&p and then we can have a playlist mode... 12.45.16 # Rincewind_: you have a point there.. 12.45.45 # but I don't want to code this, because I don't think something like that is likely to get commited 12.45.57 # and it would be death with all of the people coming in and whining about duplicate files popping up and other files disappearing 12.46.16 # scorche: indeed 12.46.30 # Ok... ignore the c&p and delete 12.46.36 # scorche: I guess you can wait about two days till they come back out :) 12.46.46 # after lunch I try to make a patch that has enque, insert and open with to chose from. 12.47.07 # hehe...if you implented it as delete, i would strangle you =) 12.47.08 # the only thing is: there are about 6 options for insert and queue... 12.47.09 # Rincewind_: Seperately for the file browser? cool! :) 12.47.43 # Rincewind_: i would go with enqueue next, and reg insert 12.47.45 # * jhMikeS thinks we should have a harddisk format key combo 12.48.02 # scorche: good idea 12.48.03 # or choose between them i guess on the settings... 12.48.36 # jhMikeS: also, you might not want to go out in public for a few hours... 12.48.57 # scorche: np...sitting tight 12.48.58 Nick Rincewind_ is now known as Rincewind (n=Miranda@proxy1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.49.16 # jhMikeS: if that was meant as a pun, that wa amusing =) 12.49.23 # other's have had duplicate files popping up too? 12.49.24 # jeah, my nick is free again! 12.49.47 # Rincewind: you dont have it registered with nickserv? 12.49.49 # +P 12.49.55 # nope ^^ 12.50.02 # why not? =P 12.50.06 # it belongs someone else... 12.50.32 # I know it maybe is bad style, but I'm not very fond of the _ 12.50.36 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 12.50.54 # * jhMikeS beholds the power of the _ 12.51.02 # Rincewind has left #rockbox (Nick collision) 12.51.11 # or whatever it says ;) 12.51.11 # Rincewind: The tricky part though is that "enque next" option is only available when music is actually playing 12.51.13 # ? 12.51.16 Quit lini (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.51.34 # that questionmark was for scorche 12.51.38 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 12.51.57 # Rincewind: Also another thing is that these options are meant to be only for music files 12.51.59 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 12.52.01 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 12.52.02 # Rincewind: there is a ghost command that is used whenever someone is on your name and you ahve the name registered with nickserv 12.52.35 # insert when in file browser and enqueue when in playlist view mode possibly? 12.52.36 # It's been a long time that I was on IRC... 12.52.44 # ok...IIS1 on iRiver...back to work...in private 12.52.53 # I had to use ISDN for the last 2 years :( 12.53.05 # Rincewind: So when a player sets "enque next" as an action for file browser it shouldn't do anything if the user press rec. on a jpg 12.53.31 # could be if the format is anything besides a music file, it brings up open with ;) 12.53.33 # Rincewind: Or at least pop up a msg that it's not a music file (?) 12.53.34 # Genre9mp3: I think I just write it that it does nothing if nothing can be done. 12.54.14 # scorche: you have nice ideas, but I think it should be simple and predictable 12.54.30 # popups are evil! 12.54.34 # scorche: Though it would be nice to do that... wouldn't be confusing? 12.54.57 # scorche: I mean... a user sets it to "enque" and he gets "open with" 12.55.11 # if we have the options like that 12.55.15 # , yes 12.55.37 # but it could be that the option is only what to do with music files 12.55.44 # and anything but would be open with regardless 12.55.53 # * Rincewind finds himself something to eat 12.57.24 # Rincewind: I dislike popups, too to tell you the truth... 12.58.01 # i like popups when deleting or some such action 12.58.20 # but only then... 12.59.35 # * Genre9mp3 wonders how scorche feels about "Canceled" popup in settings 13.00.24 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966A42.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.00.30 # i like it as long as it isnt on there for 3 seconds 13.00.43 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-063-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.01.03 # bahh, another setting :// 13.02.08 # it is nice to know, and if you are occupied with something else, it can be easy to hit the wrong button on some targets 13.02.09 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.09.22 # JdGordon: in english.lang - is id: LANG_RANOOM a typo? 13.09.45 Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.09.46 # obo: hehe woopsies 13.09.47 # yes 13.10.25 # ill fix that asap 13.11.06 # * amiconn sees talk about configurable button(s). Urgh! 13.11.14 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 13.11.23 # this much code for such an esoteric feature is... well 13.11.41 Quit Rob2222_ () 13.11.42 # which? 13.11.44 # JdGordon: Random Folder advance, Yes! Thank you very much. That's the only random I like to use 13.11.58 # Eeek, random folder advance in cvs :( 13.12.04 # amiconn: It's just for _one_ button that is currently redundant on irivers (in WPS and File browser) 13.12.07 # amiconn: surely won't help archos, hgeh 13.13.38 # amiconn: there was no real objections this morning... 13.14.29 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@82.247.165.89) 13.14.29 # /folder_advance_list.dat ???? 13.15.19 Quit neighbors ("http://www.azimux.com FREE web based strategy game") 13.15.21 # preglow: if you can come up with a way thats random, is hardly any code, and is fast ill buy u a coockie! 13.15.24 Quit chendo (Success) 13.15.43 # "a way thats random" ? 13.16.04 # ok, ignore that part 13.16.27 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-33-162.dyn.iinet.net.au) 13.16.41 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p5493299C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.17.16 # shouldn't stuff like this be easier to code if you don't do it on a directory basis? 13.17.20 # like with tagcache or something 13.17.34 # * Rincewind starts coding, please highlight me if you talk about the record button again 13.17.41 # possibly.. but not everyone uses TC 13.17.59 # hell, i don't use it myself 13.18.25 # * Bagder never even tried TC 13.18.39 # * Bagder is old fashioned and grumpy 13.18.40 # file system for life 13.18.49 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB0C214.ipt.aol.com) 13.19.02 # haha 13.19.04 # ignore me anyway 13.19.07 # * scorche throws his lot in with the no TC pile as well 13.19.12 # why the heck am i getting error: syntax error before ';' token on the line rb->lcd_update(); on the player? 13.19.20 # the new file being a plugin does make it somewhat better 13.19.28 # JdGordon: because it has no such function? 13.19.52 # but one of these days i'm going to start worrying seriously about feature bloat in rockbox 13.20.03 # it does... doesnt it? 13.20.21 # JdGordon: I believe lcd_update(); is defined to nada for the player 13.20.23 # Bagder: you should try it once at least ;) 13.20.35 # Slasheri: nah, I have zero use for it 13.20.52 # Bagder: ha, ok, um... how do i update the display for that then? or is it automagic? 13.21.06 # JdGordon: automagic, afaik 13.21.08 # Bagder: at least it can remember the order of last played songs :) 13.21.10 # yeps 13.21.12 # * preglow hates charcells 13.21.27 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 13.21.49 # Slasheri: hehe, that's not a vital feature for me ;-) 13.22.07 # in fact, I might be the rockbox user who uses the least functions of Rockbox 13.22.34 # hehe 13.22.46 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host41-128.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 13.23.06 # Bagder: might actually be me 13.23.22 # hehe 13.23.33 # i usually do the following things: load default config, browse file tree, press play, press skip 13.23.38 # JdGordon: Player has _non_ lcd_update() on target. The Sim does, however, and needs it 13.23.48 # preglow: I use playlists, but I am single-codec 13.24.03 # ok...what web designer came up with the brilliant idea to have a status field say "yes" 13.24.04 # never touch playlists, hate the darned things 13.24.04 # how about mailed, authenticating, paused, or something that actually tells me something!! 13.24.19 # wasnt there talk about dropping support for the charcells ? 13.24.21 # * scorche growls and says "" 13.24.25 # JdGordon: indeed there was 13.24.38 # and i'm somewhat in favour of it 13.24.45 # * amiconn has strong objections against dropping player support 13.25.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.26.00 # Bagder: if codecs count as features, you've got me licked anyway 13.26.12 # hehe 13.26.14 # i use at least four different ones on a regular basis 13.26.19 # but mostly vorbis 13.26.53 # * amiconn only keeps tracks in other formats than mp3 for testing purposes 13.27.02 # * scorche points to the ajbr that sits on the floor 13.27.09 # preglow: What's the point in Rockbox if we don't use it to add features? (re: your comment about feature bloat) 13.27.11 # enough said ;0 13.27.22 # * Genre9mp3 would like to use vorbis, too 13.27.38 # * JdGordon passes a beer to linuxstb, someone talking some sense :D 13.27.58 # * linuxstb waits for the beer to travel around the globe 13.28.13 # * petur gets triggered 13.28.16 # 2 days by air mail 13.29.40 # shut up 13.29.40 # ! 13.29.58 # linuxstb: should use it to add features, sure, but that's not saying we should add every feature we see 13.30.06 # preglow: b e e r :p 13.30.39 # preglow: there are 300+ patches and 200 odd feature requests.. and your asying every feature is added?? 13.30.45 # saying* 13.30.59 # what ye progress on ipod 5.5g? 13.31.10 # daurnimator: see the thread ;) 13.31.21 # tell me ;) 13.31.29 # the thread is current 13.31.30 # ;) 13.31.39 # you are more 13.31.43 # daurnimator: and irc log of yesterday 13.31.57 # I rekon stuff like album art and such features should not get in, but featires whih actually affect playvback should 13.32.03 # nothing the thread doesnt say... 13.32.05 # should go in that is 13.32.13 # i think album art should go in, really 13.32.19 # if it's not too intrusive 13.32.44 # * Bagder agrees 13.32.55 # if only to match other firmwares in that regard 13.32.58 # lots of people want it 13.33.05 # but why? your DAP is to play music, not be looked at.. 13.33.16 # and i guess what i really want is just a way to find out if there is enough people supporting a feature for it to go in 13.33.16 # I disagree 13.33.19 # but that'd be hard, of course... 13.33.29 # JdGordon: then why have a big color screen and all? 13.33.45 # Bagder: "we" do the software, not the hardware 13.33.55 # "we" buy the hardware 13.34.08 # JdGordon: which player do you have? 13.34.12 # h300 13.34.14 # "we" would like to use the hardware to its fullest 13.34.31 # .. but i got it second hand half price... so you cant say i bouught it because of the clour screen 13.35.08 # well, you might not 13.35.12 # but it's obvious that lots of people do 13.35.15 # I dont have a problem with features that make it pretty being added... what i have a problem with is when these are accepted, but usefull stuff relating to playback is rejected 13.35.16 # so it's a bit of a moot point 13.35.17 # JdGordon: thats what the remote is for 13.35.28 # the dap itself can be anything you want 13.35.53 # we've got games, peak meters, wpses and all sorts of stuff that suggest people DO look at their daps 13.35.53 # preglow: i agree with you - album art is required 13.36.37 # JdGordon: iAudio M3 might also have been a good DAP for you I think 13.36.41 # preglow: going by that why bother with FLAC or ogg? most people listen to mp3, so why not save spce to pretty it up and leave out those codecs? 13.36.58 # random random...of course english.lang is always out of sync :) 13.37.04 # JdGordon: cause we are trying to get people AWAY from mp3 13.37.07 # markun: ok, im being slightly silly... i love the big colour screen, doom is awesome :D 13.37.09 # :P 13.37.17 # * petur wonders if JdGordon had a bad night 13.37.34 # * JdGordon likes to argue for the sake of it 13.37.58 # JdGordon: its called "trolling" 13.38.07 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.38.08 # JdGordon: no you don't 13.38.08 # * JdGordon didnt start it 13.38.50 # petur: I think Linus and I worked out the stuff with iRiver...gonna post an update soon 13.38.56 # JdGordon: yes you did 13.39.03 # There is a typo in the newly committed english.lang. LANG_RANOOM. Where is D? 13.39.07 # JdGordon: i don't get your reasoning 13.39.18 # webguest20: fixed 13.39.24 # JdGordon: i didn't say playback elements are useless 13.39.38 # i say visual elements are worth taking into consideration 13.39.43 # jhMikeS: no hurry, I'm not near my dev environment until late tonight or tomorrow morning 13.39.52 Join webguest69 [0] (i=54996aa6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.39.53 # does anyone know of any upcoming daps - lots of buttons, 40gb+ hdd 13.40.08 # preglow: agree...I want more color and pretty things 13.40.09 # preglow: right, and i agree 13.40.13 # I have less objections against album art (nonsense on archos, of course), than I have against configurable buttons, or against dropping a target 13.40.38 # It's just that doing album art properly requires a bit more thinking, and some preconditions for doing it properly 13.40.39 # .. but some features which are related to playback have been flatly refused... its that which irritates me 13.40.46 Part webguest20 13.40.50 # amiconn: indeed 13.42.01 # amiconn: why are you against configurable buttons? Imho, it would increase usability, wheras album art is only eyecandy (or iCandy) 13.42.12 # Great features dont neccessarily make it into rockbox, its a question of who's prepared to code it, and will a cvs dev commit the feature, thats what determines what gets in and what doesn't 13.42.18 # JdGordon: like i said, we can't just drop all criticism and commit everything relating to playback, rockbox would become confusing as hell to use and very bloated 13.42.22 # the issue is...playback features typically affect bootbox size, while shiny things dont 13.43.16 # webguest69: we know...this is mostly a conversation between devs ;) 13.43.24 # * jhMikeS likes shiny things...and making them too 13.43.24 # i wouldn't say i consider bootbox at all, but... 13.43.31 # * linuxstb agrees that the album art patch should be committed - but without the current bmp resizing dependency. 13.43.35 # preglow: im not suggesting that happens.. its just that sometimes it feels like that 13.43.43 # linuxstb: indeed, indeed 13.44.21 # album art on grey scale ? 13.44.29 # apart from the archos targets, do any others have a filesize limit? 13.44.31 # webguest69: why not? if people want it, then hey... 13.44.48 # webguest69: We already have jpg viewer on grayscale 13.45.10 # I thought the bitmaps were required to be fixed size. I haven't looked at album art stuff in some time though. 13.45.10 Quit webguest69 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.45.10 # I would like to see wps backdrops on my h120... 13.45.21 # Rincewind: yeah, but we won't use grayscale tricks in wps 13.45.25 # JdGordon: i believe iriver does (as it can flash also), but not sure how big 13.45.25 # so it'll be 4 colours 13.45.36 # 4 colours are fine 13.45.38 # jhMikeS: Not any more - there a related patch that adds bmp resizing to the load_bmp_file() function. 13.45.44 # scorche: i tihnk iriver is like 4mb, so thats not a problem 13.45.55 # flash size on iriver isn't a problem 13.45.58 # file size isn't a problem 13.46.05 Join webguest69 [0] (i=54996aa6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.46.06 # the fact that rockbox becomes confusing and bloated is 13.46.23 # its only confusing because the menus are terrible :D 13.46.32 # indeed 13.46.38 # btw, how is your patch going, JdGordon? 13.46.49 # Rincewind: Configurable buttons are a support nightmare 13.46.53 # linuxstb: why's that a problem? resizing isn't such a big deal 13.46.57 # and adding new features at a breakneck pace won't help 13.47.02 # Rincewind: terribly, for some reason it stays boosted, and i have no idea why 13.47.12 # jhMikeS: need temp buffers to resize 13.47.15 # big ones 13.47.43 # I don't see a problem with support if we only use a spare button that isn't used otherwise and only give a limited range of configurable actions 13.47.46 # heh...lemme think about that one...it shouldn't...resize as you read it 13.47.51 # linuxstb: The current bmp resizing is (1) ugly code-wise and (2) ugly result-wise 13.47.53 # jhMikeS: I just don't like the current implementation. 13.48.16 # a wakeup alarm is surely of more use than album art ? 13.48.23 # amiconn: My suggestion was to commit album-art, but without the resizing ability. 13.48.26 # it basically works by pixel doubling/dropping? 13.48.35 # Regarding eye-candy: I am even thinking about enabling backdrop support for 4-grey targets... 13.49.05 # wont that look horrible? 13.49.11 # preglow: No big temp buffers are necessary for proper resizing, even with anti-aliasing 13.49.22 # * jhMikeS wants colored icons is the statusbar...and colorful sliders and peakmeters. 13.49.28 # it helps with creating wps, because then you can put all the static images in one big image 13.49.36 # JdGordon: Not with a specially made backdrop, e.g. using white and light grey only 13.49.45 # ah ok 13.50.36 # amiconn: then what's the problem? 13.50.40 # is anyone working on a wakeup alarm ? 13.50.58 # preglow: what problem? 13.51.00 # webguest69: to do it properly its targte dependant.. so slow 13.51.07 # webguest69: For which target? 13.51.14 # amiconn: with resizing? 13.51.15 # H140 13.51.25 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.51.43 # webguest69: H140 hasn't an RTC.. how it will be possible to wake up? 13.52.06 # webguest69: i see no point in a wake up alarm 13.52.18 # Genre9mp3: You could have a power-saving sleep mode - so you don't actually turn it off. 13.52.42 # 1. most have an alarm clock 2. most have a phone 3.no one would be bothered going to the effort to set it 13.53.25 # linuxstb: Sounds do-able but I don't think it worths doing it 13.53.30 # daurnimator: most people also have things to play games on or even to listen to music with, they still like Rockbox to do that ;-) 13.53.51 # linuxstb: But I guess it could be nice to have on RTC targets... 13.53.52 # JdGordon: thanks...now I have to edit settings.c and english.lang after updating! 13.53.54 # Genre, run a poll and you'll be surprised at the response 13.54.02 # Bagder: rockbox IS for listening to music, and most people don't have anything to play games on on the go 13.54.13 # phones are crap & psps are uncommon and bulky 13.54.16 # I would like rockbox to do my laundry, maybe I should put a feature request up :-D 13.54.19 # daurnimator: so why not wake up to your music? 13.54.30 # webguest69: indeed... cause I can't understand why someone wants to wake using his dap 13.54.38 # daurnimator: i disagree....my phone is pretty good with games (treo) 13.54.41 # I think LinusN was working on an alarm framework 13.54.46 # as are most smartphones 13.55.03 # jhMikeS: payback... any idea how often i have to do that in my menu patch :D ? 13.55.03 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-232-142-126.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 13.55.08 # waking up with daps would be great 13.55.15 # I often dose with my music on, and I would like to be woken by my dap after x hours, I would use that feature often 13.55.16 # beats my bloody alarm clock by leaps and bounds 13.55.30 # or starting a recording at a certain time 13.55.45 # preglow: You'd have to use external speakers though or else doesn't make sense 13.55.48 # JdGordon: It hasn't been me that's been doing it...just wait >:) hahahaaha 13.56.02 # petur: A scheduler like that would be great! 13.56.03 # oh it has... 13.56.45 # someone was working on a wakeup feature for recording, why not adapt that for plauback as well ? 13.56.54 # Genre9mp3: nah, using my bigger earphones would work great, i wake easily 13.56.57 # petur: yes...a programmable recoding seems useful for scheduled program...but I wouldn't want to wear heaphones all nigh 13.57.07 # Genre9mp3: which is why alarm clocks tend to give me something resembling a heart attack 13.57.42 # preglow: You would sleep wearing your earphones? 13.57.53 # Genre9mp3: just leave them besides my bed 13.58.02 # preglow: [13:47:44] linuxstb: The current bmp resizing is (1) ugly code-wise and (2) ugly result-wise 13.58.11 # amiconn: at least both can be fixed 13.58.33 Quit Rincewind (Remote closed the connection) 13.58.39 Join Rincewind [0] (n=Miranda@proxy1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.59.52 # at work I am allowed a two hour nap, i use my music to help rest, having a alarm which one can set would be usefull, on trains, egg timer, cooking timer, lots of uses :> 14.00.23 # Bagder: also, many targets only have earphones:P - you try waking up to a near silent sound coming out of earphones 14.00.30 # preglow: Yes, but I'd rather want to leave it out and do it properly than commit the current crap 14.00.49 # scorche: not everyone has a treo :P 14.00.50 # amiconn: sure 14.01.04 # just saying that if resizing can be done with no buffers, then it should be possible too 14.01.08 # daurnimator: not everyone has a dap either ;) 14.01.19 # scorche: then why would they have rockbox :S 14.01.45 # daurnimator: You can connect the dap to a set of speakers, too 14.01.57 # in rockbox, that is 14.02.13 # Genre9mp3: but the places people wouldn't already have a good alarm are the places without speakers 14.02.23 # i just see an alarm as totally pointless 14.02.35 # and i dont 14.02.54 # :> 14.02.55 # webguest69: i can't see when you would use it 14.03.02 # daurnimator: Someone could easily hive a nice set of speakers next to his bed 14.03.13 # *have 14.03.27 # I would use it at work 14.03.35 # daurnimator: Anyone who uses their DAP with external speakers could find an alarm feature useful... 14.03.43 # Genre9mp3: and alarm clock, and a mobile, or anything else that has an alarm 14.03.43 # it doesnt have to be for that either...could fall asleep in your favorite chair and want it to wake you up in 3 hours 14.03.49 # or a WATCH 14.04.02 # chairs are very comfortable with headphones on 14.04.18 # scorche: my favorite chair is in front of home stereo 14.04.22 # exactly, thats what i do at work 14.04.23 # hehe 14.04.44 # webguest69: sleep in your favorite chair? 14.04.47 # webguest69: you fall asleep for 3 hours at work? - i want your job! 14.04.50 # i want your job.. 14.04.53 # hehe 14.04.57 # daurnimator: You may prefer the nasty high pitch tones that alarms have... others don't! ;) 14.05.53 # Genre9mp3: so they buy an alarm clock - or, like i would, not wake up to anything that ISN'T annoying 14.06.14 # which includes music from your DAP 14.06.22 # Isn't an alarm supposed to be annoying so that you wake up? 14.06.36 # jhMikeS: thats what i would think 14.06.53 # jhMikeS: Yeah...in that point of you... we don't need alarms! :) 14.07.10 # seriously, my work alows me to take a nap, hence having a wakeup alarm in my dap would be great. or. you're waiting for a connecting flight and want to take a nap, saet the dap alarm 14.07.12 # Of view (damn) 14.07.29 # webguest69: use your phone! 14.07.34 # or your computer! 14.07.48 # * Bagder reads Zagor's reply to the swedish C&D-letter (on the T*tris case) 14.07.51 # nah thats really nerdy, and I hate phones 14.08.17 # besides with my music in my ears I wont hear the phone ringing 14.08.33 # .. hardly a reason to code something tricky that would probably bloat 14.08.49 # webguest69: turn the music on a sleep timer 14.08.56 # when the music is playing, how are you supposed to hear an alarm from your dap if it is already playing when you sleep? *confused* 14.09.02 # daurnimator: if the hardware can do it then coding an alaram should be dead simple 14.09.35 # JdGordon: you would need to be in a standby state (to save battery) 14.09.40 # yes 14.09.44 # have watchdogs etc 14.09.50 # watchdog? 14.10.04 # daurnimator: I wouldn't say taht it would bloat.. 14.10.13 # RTC should be enough 14.10.18 # indeed 14.10.20 # nah, a watchdog isn't needed 14.10.28 # if you in the twilight zone, ie dozing, you're ware of the music, but not of time, hence some time of time mark, alarm would be handy 14.10.35 # Bagder: wouldn't you sort of need it monitored while ON & OFF? 14.10.45 # you don't want to leave your dap on 14.10.53 # the RTC can wake 14.10.56 # wake it 14.11.04 # on all targets???? 14.11.06 # that would be a timer thread on non-RTC targets 14.11.13 # yeah 14.11.25 # all targets that have RTC at least 14.11.44 # i just don't see the point - or especially the worth 14.11.52 # ... and a bootloader that is "aware" of that ;) 14.11.57 # you might not, but obviously some of us do ;) 14.12.35 # * scorche goes to the welcoming embrace of his bed 14.12.40 # * jhMikeS would sleep more soundly with a watchdog 14.13.00 # * scorche has a watchdog that sleeps with him 14.13.14 # seriously: who doesn't have a phone with them at most times :S 14.13.15 # gf ? 14.13.25 # i wish... 14.13.26 # me I dont 14.13.26 # amiconn: we finnaly have a working shutdown screen on the recorder! 14.13.26 # webguest69: a labrodor 14.13.33 # :P 14.13.33 # shiba-inu ;) 14.13.36 # daurnimator: still, that phone doesn't have the music set your Rockbox dap has 14.13.57 # shitzu 14.14.01 # Genre9mp3 and sorche: adding the insert and queue options in my patch is more work than I thought it was. Don't expect any results from me today. 14.14.08 # jhMikeS: not even... 14.14.29 # Rincewind: i dont even have the device...just pitching out ideas ;) 14.14.35 # Rincewind: No need to rush... it's good that you are into it 14.15.11 # * scorche REALLY goes to the welcoming embrace of his bed 14.15.14 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 14.15.22 # on a train, listening to music, to ensure you dont miss your station if you nod off, set a tmer on your dap 14.16.00 # * JdGordon gets scorche's attention so he doesnt in fact go! 14.16.26 # * scorche stabs JdGordon with a blunt bar of chocolate 14.16.31 # :) 14.16.43 # messy 14.16.43 # and what is the timer supposed to do? If you already listening to music, the only thing it can do is stop the music... 14.17.02 # pump the volume up to full 14.17.06 # * Rincewind slaps scorche around a bit with a large trout 14.17.10 # blow our ears out... that should wake you up 14.17.14 # or play a specific song/sound 14.17.17 # make a suitable alarm sound to remind/wake you up 14.17.47 # JdGordon: ouch! 14.17.48 # and you talk about avoiding option bloat... 14.17.55 # beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep 14.18.03 # thats a good start 14.18.31 # Bagder: swedish c&d letter? 14.18.31 # or announce something like, "would you like a BJ" 14.18.53 # preglow: yeah, Björn got a swedish version of the US C&D-letter, from a swedish law firm 14.18.57 # use voice to wake you up 14.19.15 # pretty much a translation of the US one, including the same errors 14.19.28 # Bagder: what is the issue this time? 14.19.36 # the same Tetris 14.19.41 # A tick tick tick tick would be better (this will confuse users and start thinking that they have to use EAC from now on) :P 14.19.49 # rockblox didnt take care of that? 14.20.03 # Bagder: how nice 14.20.05 # scorche: these guys probably haven't noticed or don't care, I don't know 14.20.10 # ah 14.20.22 # * scorche wishes he was on the committers ml 14.20.39 # have i mentioned i hate idiots? 14.20.41 # Zagor's been talking with some swedish lawyers about it now, so we feel on the safe side 14.20.43 # I do use EAC to uberstandard 14.21.04 # especially no-good idiots 14.21.16 # scorche: if you mean the dev mailing list, why don't you join? 14.21.21 # you know good idiots? 14.21.31 # preglow: Are there any good idiots? 14.21.34 # :) 14.21.35 # Rincewind: if i had meant the dev mailing list, i would have said that ;) 14.21.37 Quit Galois (Remote closed the connection) 14.21.47 # forest gump? 14.21.51 # oops...did i talk about the secret ml? 14.21.54 # I didn't know that there is another one 14.21.55 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 14.21.56 # * scorche get a knock on the door 14.22.02 # boo! 14.22.12 # * Bagder writes down scorche's name on the list of people to deal with 14.22.46 # * scorche finally sees an opportunity to go to bed 14.22.47 # haha 14.22.51 # seeeecret!!!!1 14.22.58 # you've done it now 14.23.28 # * Bagder makes his most secret look 14.23.49 # Bagder, I don't know but ubuntu seems to be happy with just writing T*tris clone 14.24.21 # tucoz: well, they of course make their own decision 14.24.26 # yes 14.24.42 # we did get lawyer input on the name issue 14.25.25 # I know. I just checked my apt repositories to see what other "falling blocks game" distributors did. 14.25.40 # These law issues can be pretty dumb and annoying some times 14.26.01 # yeah, but they can also turn serious unless dealt with properly 14.26.24 # Thanks the lawyers and the ones you didn't really want to vote for but had no choice 14.26.51 # Bagder: I'm still wondering about that c&d. We clearly used a different name than they have trademarked 14.27.05 # maybe it is the fact that apple have released their new fw that allows people to buy tetris etc that caused this. 14.27.06 # different yes, but not necessarily different enough 14.27.11 # that would be up to a court to tell 14.27.22 # that's what make rockbox a competitor in this case 14.27.23 # was it "confusingly similar" or not 14.27.34 # And regarding 'similar sounding' - ask a Greek what tetr(a) stands for 14.27.42 # four 14.27.48 # :) 14.27.49 # yep 14.27.57 # oops...I'm not greek so I don't know that 14.27.59 # and why is that related? 14.28.10 Quit Quazgaa (Remote closed the connection) 14.29.08 # call it quadrox 14.29.21 # How "rockblox" is "confusingly similar" to T3tr1s ? 14.29.26 # sure we could argue that it was different enough and risk them suing us (the individuals they mailed) 14.29.47 # should find a way to sue them 14.29.51 # Genre9mp3: we're talking about "tetrox" 14.29.57 # maybe get help from GNU? 14.30.03 # jhMikeS: waste of money 14.30.05 # or is this impossible? 14.30.10 # Yeah... but that's already changed 14.30.19 # the first C&D mail was sent to a US citizen 14.30.25 # getting sued there is COSTLY 14.30.32 # even if you're cleared 14.31.04 # we don't want that put on a poor single person 14.31.11 # in any case, you should always pick your fights 14.31.18 # yeah 14.31.23 # Theres a fish food called Tetra Min...maybe they should be alerted to that 14.31.23 # and this fight is just not worth it 14.31.25 # it wasn't like the name was the best ever 14.31.50 # i like rockblox better than tetrox 14.31.55 # me too 14.31.58 # Bagder: I can't understand why it's _still_ an issue... 14.32.00 # Anything starting with tetr- is fair game :) 14.32.19 # Genre9mp3: because they haven't paid attention to the rename 14.32.29 # If this issue is not settled, it would be interesting to see what other open source projects have done in case they recieved a C&D letter. And also how the falling blocks company reacted in those cases. 14.32.31 # they also claim copyright of the actual game play 14.32.40 # even the fact that the game is higher than wide 14.32.42 # oh... 14.32.46 # and the creation of blocks 14.32.47 Quit salive (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.55 # they're insane 14.32.56 # ...and a score table 14.32.59 # hehe 14.33.16 # tucoz: check "quinn" 14.33.29 # they got the C&D this summer 14.33.32 # do they have any other thing they've ever invented? 14.33.44 # ok 14.34.03 # they now call it "a falling-block game" or something now 14.34.36 # jhMikeS: I think they're too busy threatening people all over the world, to be able to do anything real 14.35.14 # Bagder: they should spend the money paying creative people instead of lawyers imo 14.35.30 # i don't think the trademark issue is anything to get upset about 14.35.41 # nah, it'll go away 14.35.56 # no, but the fact that they pursue the game play of t****s 14.36.11 # update to 6106 shortly...hopefully to settle it...but don'k know about the exception thing 14.36.27 # jhMikeS: i'll try it out 14.36.37 # I can not care less what it is called. But it must be a shot in the dark for them to sue people because they make clones. 14.37.07 # I can't image why there should be any crash except maybe something to do with the asynchronous stopping... 14.37.16 # tucoz: I'd say they just try to scare people off, without having any real legal backup for it 14.37.40 # Bagder: for what? 14.37.45 # and the law firms do it since they have no moral and get paid 14.38.02 # Bagder, it certainly looks like it (given the impossible fact to sue everyone distributing a clone) 14.38.08 # LinusN: does this look right for the iRiver: IIS1CONFIG = (freq_ent[FPARM_CLOCKSEL] << 12) | (4 << 2); 14.38.08 # Genre9mp3: claiming copyright of the game play etc 14.38.22 # Leave output digital zero 14.38.32 # Yes.. but what they are hoping to gain? $$$ ? 14.38.47 # Genre9mp3: yes, by erasing "competitors" 14.38.53 # jhMikeS: yes it looks correct. however, i tried that and it didn't work for me 14.39.07 # jhMikeS: but otoh, my test was a kludge at best 14.39.28 # I thought you tried following the clock...but you can't follow IIS2RECVData 14.39.53 # Since IIS2 is transmit only :\ 14.40.00 # Genre9mp3, Bagder: they have lots of work to do: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Games/Tetris_Clone_Games/ :-) 14.40.05 # The Tetris Company have been very litigious for years. 14.40.26 # jhMikeS: i'll try your patch when you submit it 14.40.43 # anyone heard anything more regarding the german name issue? 14.40.45 # damn 14.40.45 # LinusN, hehe 14.40.56 # why are there no devices with 40gb+ storage 14.40.58 # Just test building it now 14.41.14 # daurnimator: ipod? 14.41.17 # daurnimator: there are many 14.41.27 # Bagder: one with ogg support 14.41.37 # daurnimator: ipod with rockbox? 14.41.41 # or x5 14.41.51 # x5, yes 14.41.55 # even plays ogg in OF, doesn't it? 14.41.58 # yes 14.42.02 # i hate control layout of x5 14.42.07 # I should download the original t**ris and set up a webserver selling copies of it. Just to see what happens ;) 14.42.15 # daurnimator: but it is a device 14.42.15 # i can't stand ipod OF 14.42.23 # why are there no devices with 40gb+ storage 14.42.43 # there's even more if you don't want Rockbox on it 14.42.46 # well, why aren't there any i find appealing 14.42.54 # :S 14.43.05 # i want ogg - doesn't have to be rockbox (though preferable ;) ) 14.43.25 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentomino <-- prior art, surely :-) 14.43.26 # FreeTrix, TetriBox, TechTris, Bloxter, Cutetrix... LOL 14.43.30 # iriver H140 with hdd-upgrade = 60gb 14.43.34 # (also around h3xx size) 14.43.47 # so h3x0 with disk upgrade! ;-) 14.44.09 # was thinking that - but it gets expensive 14.45.32 # daurnimator: most korean players support ogg vorbis 14.45.52 # all korean players seem to be flash based - or large pvps 14.46.53 # I think so long as the game isn't called Tetris it's fine. 14.47.03 # Samsung YEPP YH-J70 20GB 14.48.01 # what do we think about this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6138 14.48.16 # i think "yes" 14.48.47 # hmm... im having lots of problems with my sisters new nano here (1G w rockbox), right now it wornt turn on, and it keeps crashing and then efusing to turn on...? 14.49.00 # * JdGordon sounds like a typical noobie :p 14.49.10 # wow, blind and a programmer! 14.49.18 # yeah I was just thinking that 14.49.26 # He's not the only one 14.49.27 # menu + select wont even start it 14.49.32 # how he does it is beyond me 14.49.51 # maybe he can read really large fonts or something, but not a small DAP screen 14.50.05 # text to speach? 14.50.09 # still.... respect 14.50.13 # LinusN: Zendefera told me he actually uses a screen reader :) 14.50.18 # I can't imagine text-to-speech software is good at voicing indentation and punctuation... 14.50.21 # wow 14.50.22 # markun: awww, no dpad 14.50.39 # He also has a braille terminal, but that's too slow during programming 14.50.43 # Rincewind: if your blind, indentation means as much as it does to the compiler 14.51.08 # I remember the funny way the Amiga's speech software used to say / (SLAAAAASH) 14.51.15 # ok, but he still has to write the code... 14.51.27 Part webguest69 14.51.29 Join alphakiller [0] (n=bits@200.162.22.132) 14.52.10 # ouch 14.52.16 # debugging code when blind 14.52.16 # hi 14.52.55 # daurnimator: if its spelt it could make it easier... youd hear the single = instead of double == and find it instanlty... instead of looking for it 14.53.12 # "dash, greater than,vee,ay,arr,ei,arr,bb,le" 14.53.33 # hehe ye :D 14.54.34 # * petur gets msg from admin: disconnect in 5 mins 14.54.56 # "var, 2, equals, three, divided by, open bracket, 1, 2, plus, 3, 1, openbracket, vee,air,ei,arr,ble, close bracket, closebract" 14.55.34 # LinusN: it's there 14.56.16 # JdGordon: It probably doesn't work because of button actions ;) 14.56.35 # amiconn: scorche tested it and he says it does 14.56.43 # I could imagine he reads the source file with his braille, keeps most of the file in memory and then jumps to the point he wants to edit and starts writing. 14.57.27 # but debugging and editing multiple files would still be very hard 14.57.56 Quit petur ("brb") 14.57.57 # * jhMikeS *anticipating more disaster* 15.01.17 # have there ever been rockbox meetups? 15.01.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/ 15.02.24 # any others? 15.02.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/devcon/ 15.03.55 # heh 15.04.19 # if only sweden wasn't many thousands of kilometers away 15.04.23 Join webguest74 [0] (i=54996aa6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.05.51 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 15.06.09 # JdGordon: I cant edit my random_folder_advance_config file, nothing shows up in the directory, I did follow the instructions on the wiki 15.06.35 # H140 15.06.40 # your supposed to run that file, it creates a new file 15.06.45 # that is a plugin 15.06.45 # i hope to come one day - just gotta get money & spare time 15.07.00 # 2009? ;) 15.07.23 # jdGordon: ok, you've lost me, how do i use this feature 15.07.24 # * JdGordon hopes to come to devcon 08 if its in feb 15.07.50 # depends if i get money for 18th :P 15.07.52 # * JdGordon hopes to meet my heavy metal buddy in sweden about then for a vaction of non stop swedish chicks and metal :D 15.08.05 # hmmm brand new H120 on ebay is bid to $189 15.08.27 # webguest74: menu > browse plugins > random_folder_advance_config, generate list, exit, enable the auto-change diretctory setting 15.08.33 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3044.gwdg.de) 15.08.36 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 15.08.39 # how much is an 80gb ipod? 15.08.49 # i want the hdd :P 15.10.11 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.10.13 # JdGordon: what about teh other part? I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad :) 15.10.29 # which ther part? 15.10.30 # JdGordon, ok I've generated the file, but when i go to 'Edit' it doesn't show anything 15.10.46 # webguest74: hmm.. odd 15.10.47 # You got the sex, you got the rock 'n' roll 15.11.04 # amsterdam for the drugs 15.11.34 # >Edit Folder List shows nothing, it says folders xxx in the top left of the display 15.11.41 # fuck 15.11.45 # $2000 to sweden :S 15.11.59 # return? 15.12.00 # walk there :) 15.12.20 # return 15.12.31 # webguest74: u definatly generated the list before trying to edit? 15.12.38 # daurnimator: thats not too bad 15.12.47 # JdGordon yes 15.12.52 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 15.12.55 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.12.59 # its enough for a few weeks 15.13.00 # :S 15.14.08 Quit Rincewind ("Bye") 15.14.10 # well - cheapest is AirFrance @ $1937 , it goes up to $12000 still in economy 15.14.44 # JdGordon: if I'm in the 'edit folders' screen, and I hold navi down, I can faintly see characters scrolling in the screen, but very faintly 15.15.32 # LinusN: you there? I have it up 15.15.45 # jhMikeS: compiling... 15.15.53 # webguest74: have u got a tiny font set or something? 15.16.06 # nimbus 12 15.16.20 # * jhMikeS needs his diapers 15.16.22 # ugh 15.16.24 # hmm... no idea... try exiting and reloading it 15.16.30 # now its stuck in a loop between the edit screen and save and exit 15.16.34 Quit Lynx_ (" reboot") 15.16.40 # are vietnam airlines a plane company, or a missile? 15.16.40 # you dont actually need to edit it at all 15.16.46 # lol 15.16.56 # cause... they're rather cheap 15.17.01 # daurnimator: what site are u looking at? 15.17.04 # but i like to GET to my destination 15.17.29 # I guess they don't bother learning to land the plane but they get you there 15.17.34 # JdGordon, does it scan all the files on my player and Only playback mp3 files ? 15.17.37 # vietnam airlines start at $1253 15.17.57 # webguest74: just the folders 15.18.35 # I use file tree and have a few non mp3 folders as well, will it ignore those ? 15.18.48 # are Austrian Airlines any good? 15.19.04 # thats the QANTAS one to SE asia isnt it? 15.19.15 # Austrain are good 15.19.23 # ... its austrian - not australian 15.19.27 # hehe woops 15.19.33 # webguest74: yes 15.19.50 # jhMikeS: playback works, recording is silent and the crash is still there (might be voice related) 15.19.52 # hmmm 15.19.57 # pk, so after generating i just select play ? 15.20.05 # methinks i'll go on a trip next year 15.20.10 # still no peaks showing? 15.20.28 # * JdGordon thinks the wiki page isnt clear enough 15.20.43 Join Evaso2 [0] (n=Marem@host66-218-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.20.44 # jhMikeS: no, nothing 15.20.53 # JdGordon, after generating the file, do i just select play ? 15.21.17 # webguest74: yes 15.21.29 # on any file ? 15.21.34 # rrrrrr...wonder how that could be. IIS1 should now be generating the clock for WSO 15.21.46 # jhMikeS: beats me 15.21.49 # daurnimator: http://www.cheapflights.com/flights/Stockholm/Melbourne-Int-Apt/ ^71 15.21.53 # $671 15.22.08 # arg 15.22.12 # travel insurance 15.22.20 # with mp3 players, laptops etc covered 15.22.22 # stupid bloody americans stealing the city name 15.22.26 # its heaps :S 15.23.31 # JdGordon: theres $470 in that list 15.23.40 # * webguest74 would really like to get random folder to work 15.24.02 # daurnimator: its from melbourne florida, USA, and in USD 15.24.14 # ah. hahaha 15.24.31 # we're better anyway 15.24.35 # LinusN: you got a reset on the settings? hmmm 15.24.38 # obviuously 15.24.40 Join Moos [0] (i=5950bebb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.24.42 # melbourne searches on google are all us 15.24.52 # harldy EVER get usa results 15.25.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.25.21 # try expedia.xx 15.25.35 # www.expedia.xxx 15.25.49 # * JdGordon goes to bed 15.25.50 # cyaz 15.25.54 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.25.54 # hoi 15.26.15 # xxx? 15.26.48 # jhMikeS: yes, i have reset the settings 15.27.21 Quit Evaso2 ("Client exiting") 15.27.47 # www.expedia.com for the US i think, they have bracnhes in most countries, www.expedia.nl for the Netherlands etc.. 15.28.36 # Bagder: Does the build system do concurrent hand-out of builds nowadays? 15.28.42 # damn, I still haven't got JdG's random patch to work 15.28.51 # concurrent hand-out of builds? 15.28.54 # well, i can get to sweden 15.29.04 # but i can't afford to take anything with me :P 15.29.24 # amiconn: afaik, it has always done that 15.29.31 # I mean, when all builds are already assigned to a build server, but not all returned yet, hand out not-yet-returned builds to idle server 15.29.33 # s 15.29.46 # ah, that 15.29.48 # no 15.30.25 # Then use the result from the server which returns it first 15.30.51 # Could help to decrease total build time a little bit, because of 2 effects 15.30.58 # indeed it would 15.31.09 # hmmm bit 6 in the i2s register maybe 15.31.35 # mmm dunno 15.31.50 # anyone know how to initiate play with JdGordons Random Folder plugin ? 15.31.55 # (1) A fast server could do the total build in less time than a slower server which already started the build. (2) Since that means fast servers will do more builds, they would get even faster because of better ccache usage 15.31.59 # (less aging) 15.32.03 # jhMikeS: which one? 15.32.21 # pl 15.32.23 # ok 15.32.29 # gnight all 15.32.42 # SEL_SOURCE in the uda i2s register says 0 for digital output to decimator 15.32.58 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.33.39 # Hrm. 15.33.48 # Apparently ephpod 15.33.53 # + 5.5g = can't see your music 15.34.19 # I don't know...I'm just guessing at this...if I could try and test myself I'd probably have it in 30min :( 15.34.50 # ok, just a note: all usa flight sites have more expensive stuff that nativly 15.36.01 # jhMikeS: probably 15.37.34 # LinusN: when is peak/off-peak tourist season for you guys 15.38.04 # the 364 days we don't have summer ;-) 15.38.06 # tourists? in sweden? haha! :-) 15.38.25 # summer in sweden is the best day of the year 15.39.10 # hahaha 15.39.11 Join bluebrother [0] (i=ATqVLBR6@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 15.39.28 # * jhMikeS gives up...maybe once I get my H1x0 15.39.37 # uh, surely you gets lots of skiers etc 15.40.01 # daurnimator: not to Stockholm 15.40.06 Part webguest74 15.40.14 Quit alphakiller (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.40.34 # I think master mode could be enabled for recording...the way it's set up it doesn't have anything to do with the inputs 15.40.43 # and skiers from further away don't come to Sweden, they go to the alps 15.41.16 # ok 15.41.27 # i assume you can get by on english 15.41.32 # oh yes 15.41.38 # so winter-time in Stockholm is pretty off-season 15.42.11 # * daurnimator wonders why you have devcon in winter 15.42.19 # jhMikeS: i'll try it on my dev-h100 at home, where i can measure the signals 15.42.38 # daurnimator: why not? sitting indoors for a few days it doesn't really matter when we have it 15.42.44 # daurnimator: to scare the foreign devs off 15.42.45 # Would so appreciate that...would love to get it working 15.43.06 # daurnimator: It's cheaper to travel off-season ;) 15.43.15 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.43.19 # well, i'd love to come, but, at the heart of winter, i don't know how i'd go backpacking through the rest of europe 15.43.48 # * LinusN doesn't see the connection between backpacking and devcon 15.44.03 # and there's no date set for any upcoming devcon 15.44.16 # i'm not going to spend $2000 for a single week of rockbox deving :P 15.44.23 # i'd like to have it in spring-07 15.44.32 # me too 15.44.49 # or next weekend :-P 15.44.55 # heh 15.45.01 # well, gnight all 15.45.22 # * linuxstb is scared of devcons - they cause madness as demonstrated by the suggestion of release dates ... 15.45.32 # hahaha 15.46.17 # linuxstb: hey, do you have the search function on your 5g upgraded to 1.2? 15.47.06 # heh... it seems that 3.0 will be released after the 3.1 eta 15.49.00 Quit mordov (Remote closed the connection) 15.49.15 # we don't need no stinking releases 15.49.23 # amen to that 15.49.52 # we need releases that don't stink :-) 15.50.22 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-1-42.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.52.52 # jhMikeS: it looks like we need a target tree approach to the audio/codec stuff 15.53.08 # really messy as it is now 15.53.33 # LinusN: you mean SW/HW? 15.54.26 # godzirra: If you're talking about a feature of the Apple firmware, I've no idea - I've never started it. 15.54.27 Join mordov [0] (n=mordov@88.80-202-254.nextgentel.com) 15.54.28 # i mean the code in pcm_playback.c and pcm_record.c 15.55.10 # codec in this context means the tlv and the uda 15.56.37 # ok...the DMA stuff too for sure 15.57.26 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 15.58.09 # If this gets to working right I already have plans to unmeld the code that does recording (buffers, encoders, etc) from the DMA itself and register setting. 15.58.17 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.58.24 # goodie 15.59.31 # I'm thinking about a reverse interface from the pcm_playback that calls back when it has more data 16.00.44 # sounds reasonable 16.00.52 # most of the code in pcm_record.c can be sort of mid-level like pcm_buffer 16.01.14 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54930CFE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.01.31 Quit damaki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.02.16 Join Rincewind [0] (n=Miranda@proxy1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.02.20 # LinusN: are you saying you'd have files in the target tree like tlv320-x5.c ? 16.03.35 # jhMikeS: no, more like pcm-x5.c 16.03.35 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.04.04 # and maybe also pcm-coldfire.c 16.04.26 # for the coldfire common stuff 16.04.37 # i haven't really thought it out 16.04.44 # IMO all the DMA stuff for in/out could be in one file...just basic audio data transfer 16.05.10 # target specific functions in the proper place of course 16.05.41 # linuxstb: ok, was just curious. Someone said the search function was only in the 5.5g's, not in the upgraded 5g's. If thats the case, then apple has a lot of 5.5g's that they dont have the serials listed for on their website. 16.05.53 # well, the dma is still platform specific 16.05.53 # Was trying to get independent confirmation of this. 16.06.15 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3032.gwdg.de) 16.06.46 # you said it...pcm-coldfire...then for more specific if needed pcm-x5/h300 etc 16.08.03 Quit Criamos (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16.08.59 # jhMikeS: then we're on the same track 16.09.28 # but the DMA itself isn't so different for the coldfires 16.09.37 # nope 16.09.47 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.2 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 16.09.56 # The shuffling about of stuff is easy compared to getting a UDA to with with WSPLL in slave mode :) 16.10.37 # hehe 16.11.47 # I mean I tried to keep the whole thing to MONSTER size and not go to BEHEMOTH size 16.11.59 # lol 16.13.59 # godzirra: I'm running the Apple firmware now, and can't see a search function, but I haven't got any music copied to it via itunes. Out of interest, what is the Model number displayed in the About screen on your ipod? 16.14.01 # Code name: the Saturn patch. Could have been the Jupiter patch. 16.14.53 Quit mordov (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.15.56 # linuxstb: let me check. 16.16.21 # Where does it show model number? 16.16.25 # and having music doesnt matter 16.16.31 # mine was empty when I confirmed it had the search feature 16.16.37 # so it seems like apple's list of serials is wrong. 16.17.10 # The first codec patch was 308kb and this is 371 so it's not so bad :) 16.17.14 Join anjo [0] (n=anjo@210.89.157.65.static.nexnet.net.au) 16.19.23 # godzirra: Settings->About 16.19.47 # noob here - i just flashed my 4g, installed rockbox, rebooted, all seems fine. how do i get flac playback to work? 16.20.14 # Have you copied some FLAC files to your ipod's hard disk? 16.20.38 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea545.e.strato-dslnet.de) 16.20.42 # MA446LL 16.20.56 # no. i tried using amarok to transfer but it refused saying genertic player cannot plackback. 16.21.01 # godzirra: Mine is MA146FB (a 30GB). 16.21.48 # * godzirra nods. 16.21.52 # i'm guessing thats the original 5g. 16.21.59 # mines 30GB too 16.22.19 # anjo: Rockbox is completely unrelated to itunes and the itunesdb. Just copy the flac files to your ipod as you would copy them to any other hard disk - i.e. drag and drop. 16.22.21 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 16.23.15 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.45.207) 16.24.29 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-1-42.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.25.08 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDB57.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.25.23 # that is too cool :-D you guys & gals rock !! 16.25.30 # thanks linuxstb 16.26.24 # about time this ipod worked as i wanted. 16.26.33 Quit SereR0kR () 16.27.25 # godzirra: Yes, I bought mine at the end of 2005 - shortly after it was released. 16.27.36 # ok, flac playback works fine and iriver loses one sale :-) 16.27.44 # oh well. 16.27.48 # I've got a ninja 5.5 16.28.18 # It could be interesting to ask others what their model numbers are - it would be an easy way to identify the rogue 5gs. 16.29.08 # any must have plugins etc / tweaks for a rockbox install? i only want to play music, not video or apps etc. 16.29.20 # Hmm... On the back of my ipod, it says "Model AJ136" and (C) 2005 Apple Computers, Inc. 16.30.21 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54848A8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.30.39 # anjo: There is a known problem on the 4g where Rockbox freezes randomly... If you experience that, try the unofficial build here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 16.30.40 # A1136 here 16.30.50 # As for plugins, all the plugins come with Rockbox - you already have them installed. 16.30.58 # Model A1136 EMC 16.31.00 # actually. 16.31.17 # Sorry, just wiped some dust off it - mine is A1136 EMC as well :) 16.31.24 # hehe 16.31.44 # Well, ending in V9M seems to be a 5.5g 16.31.58 # Actually, "Model No.: A1136" and "EMC No.: 2065" 16.32.01 # I've had two that end in V9M and both have the search function 16.32.11 # same EMC No. I have 16.32.20 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-152-129.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.32.22 # What's the (C) date? 16.32.28 # thanks again linuxstb , i'll dig around some in all these options. cheers 16.32.43 # 2005 16.32.56 Part anjo ("Leaving") 16.33.02 # So externally they seem identical... 16.33.18 # * godzirra nods 16.33.27 # on my H10 the "Music" dir is only present if I use "show files: all" . any idea how this can be? 16.33.47 # Is that the directory the iriver firmware uses for music? 16.33.56 # yes, it is 16.34.23 # btw my tag-cache won't initialize too. this myight be related to each other 16.34.24 # If it's not shown, then it means either the "hidden" or (I think) "system" attribute is set on that folder. 16.34.45 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 16.34.48 # how can I change this with linux? 16.34.52 # I didn't think tagcache would take account of that attribute though. 16.35.24 # You will probably need mtools. Or create another directory, move the contents and then rename. 16.35.44 # i'll try, thanks so far 16.40.00 Quit petur ("poof") 16.41.40 Part LinusN 16.49.32 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.50.58 # tagcache doesn't check any attributes 16.58.39 # Slasheri: so what's the problem than? 16.59.17 # the files are there, I can play them, but tag-cache either won't find them or just is currupted itself 17.00.40 # I didn't change anything else than the firmware (RB to RB) yesterday, but since than tag-cache just says "creating tag-cache... [1/7]" but doesn't do anything. 17.01.01 # even if I reinitialize it the busy icon doesn't apear as it should 17.04.54 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 17.07.02 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 17.08.02 Quit theli_ua ("Leaving") 17.19.02 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.19.14 Quit Captain_A (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.19.39 Quit Kitt0s ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 17.23.10 Part Rincewind 17.23.28 # Arathis: remove the tagcache_tmp.tcd from .rockbox and try again 17.23.32 Join Captain_A [0] (n=dummeska@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 17.23.42 # it's possible that you have got a corrupt temporary file 17.25.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.25.39 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-092-254.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.32.05 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3032.gwdg.de) 17.35.44 Join pike2k [0] (i=amiga@c83-249-120-24.bredband.comhem.se) 17.35.54 # Sigh. no matter how I add stuff to itunes it adds two of each song. 17.36.01 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 17.36.39 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@dhcp90.contactor.se) 17.42.40 Quit mirak (Connection timed out) 17.42.53 Quit PaulJam (".") 17.43.38 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 17.44.18 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3032.gwdg.de) 17.47.22 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=asa@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839512.dsl.bell.ca) 17.48.00 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 17.48.14 Quit RogerBacon (SendQ exceeded) 17.49.13 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=asa@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839512.dsl.bell.ca) 17.49.55 Quit damaki (Remote closed the connection) 17.50.20 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-101-55.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.50.58 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-1-42.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.51.05 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 17.52.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp45-143.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.53.55 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 17.54.59 Join dpr0 [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 17.55.00 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 17.55.41 Join nls [0] (i=HydraIRC@nl104-202-216.student.uu.se) 18.00.59 # JdGordon: if you read the logs: in the randon_folder_advance_config plugin in the screen to edit the list, the line on top is overlapping the list when you use a larger font (nimbus12 in my case). (h300) 18.01.10 Quit dpro (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.03.57 Join asdfasdfasdf [0] (n=asdfasdf@adsl-211-139-110.asm.bellsouth.net) 18.06.02 Quit asdfasdfasdf (Client Quit) 18.06.05 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.06.55 # JdGordon: and another issue: it would be better if removed folders were removed from the list instead of appearing as blank lines in the list. 18.10.30 # hey I have a question and have checked the manual and found nothing 18.11.13 # how do I save in rockboy? I know you hit hold then save game then type in the name, but don't know how to enter that as the save name 18.11.17 # on an ipod 5g 18.11.48 Quit mozrat (Connection timed out) 18.12.55 # no idea what to do 18.13.10 # same problem with saving a config 18.14.17 Join Rocker [0] (n=iburn-42@bas8-montrealak-1128756301.dsl.bell.ca) 18.16.41 # Captain_A,http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-370004.1.4 18.17.18 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.19.14 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-108-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.21.16 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 18.21.48 Quit nudelyn (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.22.18 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-105-213.dslaccess.co.uk) 18.24.49 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p548763A7.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.27.06 # ah thanks nls 18.29.44 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 18.32.01 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 18.33.16 Nick hcs is now known as UNKNOWNFlL1 (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 18.33.48 Nick UNKNOWNFlL1 is now known as UNKNOWNF|LE (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 18.35.56 Nick UNKNOWNF|LE is now known as hcs (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 18.39.15 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h210n7c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 18.45.07 # hi, anyone here work porting rockbox to gigabeat s ? 18.45.10 # we really need it 18.46.01 # - MTP - No customizable interface - Lack of fonction - Not playing another format like ogg .... 18.48.32 Quit PaulJam (".") 18.48.34 # RogerBacon: I don't think so. 18.49.21 # :( 18.49.35 # and the player have no custom EQ 18.49.42 # anyway ... 18.53.16 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-95-151.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.01.10 Quit dan_a (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.03.30 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.03.35 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-253-1-38-251.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.06.33 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host41-128.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 19.11.18 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 19.14.54 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.19.10 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 19.20.01 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.22.45 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 19.23.13 Quit RogerBacon () 19.25.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.34.08 Nick Lynx is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 19.34.15 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 19.34.57 Part Paul_the_Nerd 19.37.10 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@cpc2-nfds9-0-0-cust419.leic.cable.ntl.com) 19.49.57 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 19.50.30 # who is known as "Llorean" in the forums? 19.50.35 # are they here? 19.50.52 # That's Paul_the_Nerd - you just missed him 19.50.59 # Paul_The_Nerd 19.51.00 # doh 19.51.07 # obo:you beat me 19.51.23 # makes a change.. I'm normally captain slow 19.52.14 Nick Captain_A is now known as BigMac (n=dummeska@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 19.54.10 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.204.2) 19.54.44 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 19.55.18 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 19.56.09 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3093.gwdg.de) 20.00.46 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.01.11 Quit RedKrieg (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.04.55 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Remote closed the connection) 20.05.07 # Anyone know why when I import my music into itunes it duplicates every song? 20.07.29 Join ikke33 [0] (n=jdjdjdj@d54C3F52B.access.telenet.be) 20.07.33 # hello 20.07.39 # anyone here who can help me? 20.07.53 # depends on your problem 20.07.56 # i've just installed rockbox on my ipod 5g video 20.08.08 # but when i click to play music i can't hear anything 20.08.28 # my sound is on 0db 20.08.39 # and i dind't change anything 20.09.02 # another thing 20.09.25 # is there a way i change back and forth to the rockbox/apple OS? 20.09.44 # hold menu as it boots to go back to the apple os 20.09.56 # only menu? 20.10.07 # yup - and very early in the boot process 20.10.10 # jhMikeS: how is the patch? I just read about playback and all that... any info on v2.2 on iriver? 20.10.24 # keep it held down until you see "Booting origional firmware" or something like that 20.11.10 # i don't get any msg 20.11.20 # yeah something like 20.11.27 # repeat all 20.11.33 # shuffle 20.12.04 # that's the quick menu - you need to hold menu *as it boots* - ie as you turn it on 20.12.18 # Davide-NYC: for your codec performance test, wouldn't something like this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2958 be better than measuring the boost ratio? 20.13.18 # PaulJam: not quite but very close 20.13.22 # "Only works on single file playlists." 20.13.26 # urghh 20.14.08 # I love the transcode Idea. 20.14.15 # works thanks 20.14.31 # do u have any idea why i can't play music with rockbox? 20.15.21 # does the GUI show the file playing? ie, if you're still using the default WPS, are the peakmeters active? 20.15.38 # nothing moves 20.15.53 # it's stuck on 0.00 sec 20.16.09 # what kind of files are they? 20.16.16 # and when i try to go back to the root menu, i can't anymore :s 20.16.20 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 20.16.21 # music files 20.16.23 # mp3 20.16.40 # any images embedded into the tags? 20.17.00 # can't see any images 20.17.43 Join RedKrieg [0] (n=RedKrieg@ip68-10-83-27.hr.hr.cox.net) 20.17.54 # srry, i'm very new to this 20.18.01 # just installed it now 20.18.10 # because i wanted games on my ipod ^^ 20.18.23 # theres something about that file that rb doesn't like, it sounds like it's causing it to hang... 20.18.41 # rb? 20.18.46 # rockbox :) 20.18.49 # :) 20.19.40 # well yeah, but now that i know that i can still go back to the apple firmware, i'm pretty satisfied 20.19.48 # offcourse i'd like everything to work 20.20.12 # how many audio files did you try it on? 20.20.14 # but i was getting afraid i broke everything :p 20.20.24 # uhm 20.20.28 # one actually 20.20.31 # i'll try other 20.20.35 # it's very hard to brick an ipod... I don't think rockbox has broken any yet 20.21.04 # lol :) 20.21.13 # Not sure I like what crossfeed does to the bass on some tracks... :) 20.21.33 # hehe 20.21.35 # ow 20.21.39 # how strange this is 20.21.47 # i click on another mp3 20.21.50 # to play it 20.22.09 # but he keeps trying to play the previous file i had problems with 20.22.32 # so he won't play at all 20.22.52 # did you restart in between? 20.23.04 # yes 20.23.10 # and do you have auto-resume enabled? 20.23.16 # i think so 20.23.36 # boot your ipod with hold on - that will reset the rb settings 20.23.56 # ok 20.24.43 # yeahhhhh 20.24.45 # it works 20.24.51 # big tanks :) 20.24.55 # thanks* 20.25.19 # still have time for one last question? :p 20.25.20 # good stuff :) 20.25.26 # sure 20.25.37 # do you know how to load games on ipod? 20.25.52 # are they allready installed or do i need to download them from somewhere 20.26.12 # they're installed - checkout the plugins section on the wiki 20.26.18 # some games are ready to go, other need data files and the like. 20.26.20 # ok thx 20.26.22 # you need to download some extra files for some (ie doom)... 20.29.58 Quit nls (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC") 20.33.13 Join drippydonut [0] (n=chatzill@ACCBDF47.ipt.aol.com) 20.40.59 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 20.46.29 Part drippydonut 20.47.15 # lu 20.53.34 # mirak: hi 21.08.17 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 21.14.56 Quit Ribs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.21.25 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 21.24.27 Nick Ribs2 is now known as Ribs (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 21.25.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.27.44 Join GFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-184-134.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.31.09 Join ATravelingGeek [0] (n=ATG@pdpc/supporter/student/ATravelingGeek) 21.36.11 Quit GreyFoux (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.37.13 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966A9C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.40.03 # amiconn: Do you have any alternative suggestions to solve the screens->bitmap() warnings? 21.42.47 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034087017.nb.aliant.net) 21.43.55 Join webguest36 [0] (i=d1ea8843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.45.19 Quit webguest36 (Client Quit) 21.54.23 # is there any way to accelerate scrolling? I have something like 1000 bands and it takes minutes to find the one I want 21.54.44 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.cm-upc.chello.se) 21.54.48 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 21.55.25 # RedKrieg: What player are you using? 21.55.58 # rockbox, daily build from 10/8 21.56.13 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 21.56.16 # Davide-NYC: LinusN says he's gonna check some stuff on his dev-H100 and see what's going on with receiving data. 21.56.39 # RedKrieg: I mean which device? iriver, cowon, ipod? 21.57.02 # Are you talking about optical/SPDIF I/O? If so, where are we with that? I'm confused. 21.57.22 # No...just getting data to the CPU with normal recording 21.57.32 # SPDIF would probably work just fine 21.57.44 # this is for encoding on the fly... 21.58.07 # how is the v2.2 patch? 21.58.15 # ready for testing? 21.58.22 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 21.58.32 # You can play back but you'll get silence trying to recording anything. 21.58.34 # linuxstb, sorry, video ipod 21.58.36 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 21.59.23 # Davide-NYC: The chip setup changed and of course I'm stuck with waiting for others to check...hrmph 21.59.46 # hmm 22.00.15 # In that case I will also wait. I would be of no use if I can;t record. 22.00.15 # RedKrieg: There's an experimental patch for accelerated scrolling on the ipod, but I haven't tried it. It's included in (I think) most of the "unsupported" Rockbox builds available here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0 22.00.45 # linuxstb, thanks! 22.00.58 # If that worked I'd probably commit the thing...there's probably a solvable reason since it's supposed to work...just got some stupid thing wrong. 22.02.54 # jhMikeS: did you see the flyspray lpugin request for a transcoder plugin? 22.03.02 # *plugin 22.03.32 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6152 22.03.38 # this is a truly great idea. 22.04.39 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 22.05.00 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034087017.nb.aliant.net) 22.05.09 # Davide-NYC: The idea's been talked about since Rockbox first got swcodec playback. Everyone agrees it's a good idea though. 22.05.39 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea545.e.strato-dslnet.de) 22.05.52 # Yeah, with benchmarking we could ask the users to do tests and then upload the resulting file somewhere. 22.05.52 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 22.06.39 # People who can't code but want to help could do this. 22.07.19 # Davide-NYC: don't we have transcoder plugins? mp3_encoder and wav2wv? 22.07.31 # looking... 22.07.59 # this would be more general. 22.08.05 # wait. 22.08.23 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.08.51 # I don;t have those plugins anymore! (maybe I killed them with my overzealous nogames patch) :-) 22.09.27 # You can't have two codecs running simultaneously 22.10.01 # it would be codec-->WAV OR WAV-->codec 22.10.04 # preglow, amiconn and I were talking about doing this though but it would require relocatable code. 22.10.12 # not both at the same time. 22.10.36 # um... lost (as usual) 22.10.44 # It's sexier to do em without an intermediate file but yeah writing a wav file is an option. 22.11.29 # the idea Paul_The_Nerd had was to not write the output file but instead write a logfile that would give decoding performance. 22.11.50 # Really would only need a raw pcm file 22.12.01 # I suppose. 22.12.31 # can do that I guess 22.14.03 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 22.14.52 # Playing with peakmeter code for playback...the peaks make sense even when super over loaded 22.15.29 # lostlogic needs to reimpliment his null playback timer (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2958) 22.15.36 # jhMikeS: Transcoding could be done by codec swapping, the same way as voice works. 22.15.47 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.16.13 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 22.16.19 # yes but I'd love to just pipe one into the other ideally that is 22.16.20 # jhMikeS: there? 22.16.24 # yup 22.16.34 # find out anything? 22.16.35 # guys, the idea (in my mind at least) would be to give the users a simple process with which we could generate lots and lots of standardized results for both battery_bench and codec_performance. 22.16.42 # the wso clock is generated 22.16.48 # ok 22.16.53 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.17.15 # so it is not the clock generation but something else 22.17.37 # lr clk? 22.17.51 # i can also see that the wsi and wso clocks are not synched 22.18.07 # but that's to be expected i guess 22.18.12 # I mean...all clocks are present in the interface though? 22.18.29 # i only connected the ws clock 22.18.50 # but i can connect the bit clk as well if you wish 22.19.06 # Hmmm....I'd be curious about the data line too...just for sanity 22.19.25 # oki 22.19.27 # Are you watching this on a scope? 22.19.34 # logic analyzer 22.19.50 Join Dma-Sc [0] (i=Dma-Sc@ALagny-151-1-26-106.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.19.57 # hi 22.20.03 # brb 22.20.10 # jhMikeS: ditto 22.21.12 # Genre9mp3: i finished my WPS and posted it on the wiki, if you want to check it out ;) 22.22.34 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 22.23.13 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034087017.nb.aliant.net) 22.23.49 # LinusN: for the other two? 22.25.12 # Dma-Sc: Very nice! I like it... clean and nice design.... though I don't have (sort of) an H100 player :P 22.25.50 # Dma-Sc: And wow... 20 battery levels.. sounds precise indeed ;) 22.26.09 # ah thanks :) 22.26.24 # LinusN: You said you tried SCLK, LRCK follow IIS1? Why wouldn't the two clocks be synced if the cf is providing them? 22.28.52 # they are in synch, but they do not align 22.28.54 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 22.29.32 # weird...but you have data too? 22.29.41 # ok, bclk is active as well, and there is activity on the data line as well 22.29.42 # Genre9mp3: it may be quite "crowded" to some, but small fonts aren't good for a fast look in the pocket ;) 22.30.02 # I mean if they're both from the cf why are they not in phase? 22.30.15 # but the data seems to be static 22.30.39 # jhMikeS: maybe because they were not activated at the same time 22.31.22 # i believe they are implemented as simple counters 22.31.34 # ahh...not dividers 22.32.24 # anyway, this tells us that the clock generation works, and the fault is either in the uda or the dma 22.32.42 # not sure what you mean by static data 22.32.50 # it is the same all the time 22.32.58 # Dma-Sc: As long as everything is placed in a "logical" way, big fonts is a big advantage for a wps IMO 22.34.04 # Dma-Sc: Nimbus and nedore are my favorite fonts (though the second one is considered to be a small one) 22.34.19 # how could the DMA cause that since it's an input? 22.34.47 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.34.56 # jhMikeS: beats me 22.35.02 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.35.42 # dma seems to work 22.36.04 # so it must be the uda adc 22.36.16 # lots of 3-letter acronyms today :-) 22.36.19 # In conclusion: got clocks, but the same data repeasted...so the uda isn't putting new data on the line 22.36.29 # exactly 22.37.08 # * jhMikeS will move his computer to padded room now 22.37.39 # Genre9mp3: yes nimbus is nice and clear as a 12pix font, it has to be especialy clear when text scrolls on that slowly refreshing H120 lcd ;) 22.39.21 Quit merbanan ("Leaving") 22.44.14 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD4302.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.44.26 Quit bbroke (Remote closed the connection) 22.44.30 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.46.35 Join webguest69 [0] (i=47ea5f83@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.46.53 # i need help 22.47.43 # who doesn't 22.50.06 # precisely 22.51.12 # webguest69, tell us your problem, and then we might be able to help 22.51.34 # or don't and we can guess! ;-P 22.51.51 # hmm, where can I get a new crystal ball? ;-) 22.51.52 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 22.51.52 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.51.55 # Now, who is the greatest mind reader of us all 22.52.03 # ommm ... 22.52.14 # that'd be MENTOK, THE MIND TAKER 22.52.17 # doesn't work :) 22.52.53 # bluebrother, somethings up with my tex install (or something else). I can not compile the manual anymore. 22.53.02 # urgh. 22.53.04 # Maybe there's no problem...he might just wanted to test how willing to help we are! :) 22.54.02 # bluebrother, it stops immediatley. ! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}. l.2 e wcommand{\platform}{h1xx} 22.54.15 # I have no idea what to do 22.54.27 # add a \begin{document}? 22.54.46 # there is a \begin{document} 22.55.08 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 22.55.10 # hm. did you try to compile a smaller tex-document? 22.55.39 # hmm. Did you try running latex manually on rockbox-build.tex? 22.55.59 # Spida, yes. I just ran tex on the texbook.tex 22.56.01 # ;) 22.56.18 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.56.52 # bluebrother, yes. same thing 22.57.02 # or the usual cure "make clean" and reconfiguring again? 22.57.34 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 22.57.37 # I did a complete checkout of the manual module, and deleted everything in my manual build dir 22.57.54 # hmm. when i type latex, it says: this is pdftex 22.58.08 # this is pdfeTeX 22.58.22 # hm, pdfetex != latex 22.58.48 # tucoz, this is correct 22.58.52 # ok 22.58.57 # at least when I assume you're using tetex 3.0 22.59.03 # I have started to forget what we do 22.59.32 # for tetex 3 this is the default and also produces dvi files. latex is simply a symlink 22.59.35 # yes. version 3.141592 22.59.52 # 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) 22.59.55 # to be exact 23.00.28 # hmm. Should be the same as I use. 23.00.36 # I recently updated from dapper to edgy (ubuntu). 23.00.46 # * bluebrother is on Fedora 23.00.55 # something probably happened. Wonder what 23.01.30 # strange. 23.01.39 # heh, who uses pi as version number? 23.01.50 # LaTeX :) 23.02.14 # which digit do they increase for the next build? 23.02.18 # This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.4) 23.02.21 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 23.02.23 # it is quite nice to have pi as version number. It converges. 23.02.24 # also a nice one :) 23.02.35 # ..to pi 23.02.39 # hehe 23.04.12 # Knuth has several of those gimmicks. Like he gives out $2.56 to people finding errors in his books (1 hexdollar) 23.04.43 # somehow 23.04.46 # * petur hates knuth and his CWEB 23.04.54 # hehe 23.05.04 # * bluebrother likes the output of LaTeX 23.05.21 # sure, but not mixed inside my c code 23.05.28 # but his art of computer programming seems to be a really hard read. 23.06.03 # hehe, I once commented code with LaTeX formulae which got rendered for the doxygen docs. Really nice feature. 23.06.50 # different thing: what do you guys think of a theme installer? 23.07.16 # I did one over the weekend. It takes tarred theme files and simply copies the content to right location 23.07.53 # * bluebrother remembers to diff that ... 23.07.59 # tucoz:they released another ubuntu version? 23.08.11 # or do you mean you went from edgy to dapper 23.08.21 # no the other way around 23.08.27 # dapper->edgy(beta) 23.08.51 # hmm, isn't cvs diff -uN supposed to catch new files? 23.09.01 # bye 23.09.06 # works quite nice. But this error i am getting with latex is very annoying 23.09.14 # bluebrother: if you've cvs-added them, yes 23.09.21 Quit Dma-Sc ("YM2149") 23.09.30 # ah, which I haven't done. 23.10.28 # yay 23.10.35 # * BigMac <3s ubuntu 23.10.42 # better check it out 23.11.22 # it's fun to use a system that gets 50 updates each day :) 23.13.46 # heh i heart gentoo 23.14.50 Nick hcs is now known as UNKNOWNSYMBOL (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 23.15.53 # jhMikeS: hey, fm recording works 23.16.09 # woot 23.16.09 # it's only mic input that is borked 23.17.06 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-TWO-NINETY-SIX.MIT.EDU) 23.17.11 # LinusN: what? 23.17.25 # * jhMikeS moves the computer from the padded room 23.17.43 # I wonder why...I didn't change the setup 23.17.56 # odd indeed 23.18.01 # What about line in? 23.18.12 # Well of course that muxed, duh 23.18.16 # well, if fm works, why wouldn't line in? 23.18.21 # and spdif/optical.. 23.18.30 # * Davide-NYC ducks 23.18.32 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.19.29 # I wonder if it will work using follow IIS2 instead of setting up the frequency explicitly 23.19.31 Quit GFoux ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") 23.19.48 # would be interesting to test 23.20.11 # hmmm, i don't think it would work 23.20.19 # change that one line 23.20.24 # why not? 23.21.42 # it's not following itself 23.22.10 # bork bork bork de micufooooon 23.23.38 # swedish chef? 23.24.16 Quit bawb2 ("seacrest out!") 23.24.33 # yup 23.25.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.28.10 Join unidecker [0] (i=BTP@c-66-176-178-201.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 23.28.32 Part unidecker 23.28.54 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 23.29.20 # I get an interesting error 23.29.26 # bluebrother, w00t 23.29.29 # "Filetype string buffer empty" 23.29.30 # i found out 23.29.43 # when adding a new entry to viewers.config. 23.29.50 # I had sh->dash, but if i changed that to bash, it works 23.30.12 # so this message is a bit misleading as there is in fact something full ... 23.30.16 # tucoz, dash? 23.30.26 # I get that too, when running the simulator... 23.30.31 Quit webguest69 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.30.44 # I've had it on target but a reset clears it 23.30.58 # s/reset/clear settings 23.31.11 # bluebrother, don't know why it is set to that. 23.32.08 # Lear, have you added viewers? 23.32.23 # Nope. 23.32.47 # increasing #define STRING_BUFFER_SIZE 512 helped for me 23.33.03 # ehm, in apps/filetypes.c 23.33.13 Join darkless_ [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 23.33.42 Quit darkless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.33.49 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Remote closed the connection) 23.35.27 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 23.35.30 # jhMikeS: when i selected Line In as the source, the mic started working 23.36.04 # but i have to do it from the recording screen 23.36.55 # bluebrother: With 24 entries in viewers.config, that might be needed (not really sure how much space each line uses). 23.37.19 # jhMikeS: in fact, no matter which source i choose, the mic gets activated 23.37.42 # i.e i can't select the source from within the rec screen 23.38.08 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 23.39.10 Join alphakiller [0] (n=bits@200.162.22.132) 23.39.17 Part alphakiller 23.39.51 # does jhMikeS patch allow for input change in the rec screen? Or do you mean rec menu screen 23.40.06 # * Davide-NYC gonna shut up now 23.40.17 # Davide-NYC: you enter the menu from withing the rec screen 23.40.31 # what target? 23.40.37 # hmmm... 23.40.45 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 23.41.01 # iriver 23.41.04 # x5 has no probs like that 23.42.08 # petur: help me out here... does the patch allow for input settings without going to the rec menu? 23.42.12 # LinusN: Howd the radio start then? Or was it from the FM recording screen 23.42.44 # jhMikeS: You don't need relocatable code for transcoding. Codec swap could also solve the problem of 2 codecs running 23.43.08 # Davide-NYC: no 23.43.09 # However, I don't see the point in having a transcoder plugins 23.43.33 # Why waste battery on a thing that can be done way faster and without using battery on a PC? 23.43.40 # amiconn: Was thinking about the piping of data from one directly to the other with little delay but I know what you mean. 23.43.41 # jhMikeS: really odd 23.44.00 # Just record to wav (or wavpack) and encode to ogg vorbis or whatever you like at home 23.44.01 # I might have messed up the rec_set_source function for all I know 23.44.33 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 23.44.40 # I wonder if it only has that behavior if you have SPDIF 23.45.41 # possibly 23.46.01 # bluebrother: Do you know about the fm regios bug? 23.46.03 # theme installer at FS#6156 -- comments? 23.46.10 # amiconn, no. 23.46.22 # FM radio doesn't store the station anymore 23.46.31 # jhMikeS: I have an H3x0 I could test on in a few minutes. 23.46.36 # was offline this weekend. 23.46.38 # urgh. 23.46.43 # Instead, it jumps to somewhere within the band 23.47.01 # Not start, not end, but somewhere in the middle 23.47.14 # I only tested with Region == Europe 23.47.24 # that's not nice. 23.47.40 # That happens on at least 2 targets: Ondio FM and X5 23.47.53 # maybe this is caused by the don't-allow-wrong-values. 23.47.57 # Didn't try my other 2 23.47.59 # I'll look into it. 23.48.26 # How is the value stored? 23.48.33 # Maybe it's a resolution problem? 23.48.59 # strange, can't reproduce it on my h120 23.49.18 # You allow 50kHz steps for europe (which, btw, is unnecessary for over-the-air reception) 23.49.32 # 50kHz steps are only used for cable (afaik) 23.49.46 # * amiconn tries on H140 23.50.00 # * petur likes the small steps 23.50.19 # Davide-NYC: would be nice...thanks 23.50.36 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.50.44 # jhMikeS: version2.2 of the big audio patch? or is there something newer? 23.50.48 # 2.2 23.50.50 Quit petur ("[x]") 23.50.51 # k 23.50.53 # last one 23.51.12 # petur: Why? Does your iriver have a socket to connect it to fm/tv cable? 23.51.15 # amiconn, 50kHz are still used e.g. in italy 23.51.40 # really? 23.53.18 # according to wikipedia (and a forum post) yes. 23.53.26 # hmm 23.54.29 # the region value itself is an int. 23.54.32 # I saw my radio jump to like 148MHz today 23.55.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.165.156) 23.57.01 # * Davide-NYC again wished the H1x0 had an RTC 23.57.03 # * bluebrother spots something 23.57.06 # bluebrother: Oh, another problem is that I can't load a preset list anymore 23.57.16 # Observed on X5 and H140 23.57.52 Quit ender` (" Remember: A secretary isn't permanent until she's been screwed on the desk...") 23.58.09 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@84.94.97.252.cable.012.net.il) 23.58.19 # hey 23.58.29 # can rockbox start in a certin directory? 23.58.37 # i hate all the other folders shown on the root folder 23.58.48 # bluebrother: I can perfectly reproduce the bug on H140 as well 23.58.51 # i just want like a folder that will contain all music\photos etc.