--- Log for 10.10.106 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.11 # i will, but i just hate seeing all the unrelated folders 00.00.13 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a19db89718bebe88) 00.00.21 # bluebrother: Oh, and the error is systematic. Looks like a range problem 00.00.22 # Kitt0s, I have my directories like: 1. Music, 2. Data, 3. Games 00.00.28 # as an example 00.00.33 # whats on Data? 00.00.37 # If I tune to 102.6, reboot and re-enter, it goes to 89.8 00.00.38 # whats on GAmes? 00.00.50 # 102.7 maps to 89.9 after reboot, etc 00.00.58 # I can keep my gb roms there for instance 00.01.10 # ok, there is a swap of freq_min by freq_max in radio.c:308. 00.01.12 # ahh k 00.01.13 # and in data i can keep documents and random junk 00.01.21 # but where is the rockbox folder? 00.01.24 # this is to clean up the root folder 00.01.27 # but this shouldn't affect the frequency tuned in. 00.01.41 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006100319]") 00.01.52 # well this thing is for my friend, he uses both rockbox and the original ipod firmware, so there are these gay folders 00.02.02 # hehe 00.02.17 # mabye someone can make a patch for this? 00.02.38 # bluebrother: looks like you calculate the frequency in the wrong way 00.03.07 # curr_freq = global_settings.last_frequency 00.03.07 # * fm_region[global_settings.fm_region].freq_step 00.03.07 # + fm_region[global_settings.fm_region].freq_min; 00.03.10 # Kitt0s: Just hide the folders you don't want to see. 00.03.26 # hmmm 00.03.28 # I do? I mostly only swapped the defined values with the ones from the region setting. 00.03.34 # Kitt0s - you don't see the .rockbox folder because it begins with a period, which unixlike systems hide. Rockbox follows this behavior. You couldn't, though, do the same for the apple folders. 00.03.46 # nah, i was wrong 00.03.46 # curr_freq = global_settings.last_frequency * FREQ_STEP + MIN_FREQ; 00.03.52 # was the original line. 00.03.53 # Soap: But you can just mark them as Hidden. 00.03.54 # hmm 00.03.58 # same for .rockbox right? 00.04.04 # the folder sry 00.04.05 # bluebrother: 3rd bug: If you tune to xx.05 in europe, the display shows xx.5 . Very confusing... 00.04.28 # Paul_the_Nerd: I think the encoder decoder plugin should be two separate plugins. 00.04.36 # I mean the request for it. 00.04.51 # Encoder_Plugin and Decoder_Plugin 00.05.07 # 3rd bug: I've changed the lang file, so the translations may be wrong. 00.05.15 # with essentially the same functionality but witht he obvious differentce 00.05.38 # but I could have thought of that myself as I don't need to understand the language for that change. My bad. 00.05.42 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@121.55.61.178) 00.05.52 # bluebrother: Then you did something in the wrong way: you reused a string in a way that's not backwards compatible 00.06.03 # Davide-NYC: But my request was a "Transcoder Interface". There is a WAV codec. It's "Go from one supported format to another." 00.06.17 # Because a WAV is a supported playback format, to encode you just got "WAV->Compressed" 00.06.20 # In this case, a new string should be added and the old one deprecated 00.06.26 # indeed. 00.06.37 # Since WAV is a supported encoding format, you go from "Compressed->WAV" 00.06.52 # But you can also do "AAC->MP3" with that concept. 00.06.59 # should I deprecate it now or change all translations? 00.07.06 # Without needing disk space to dump the inbetween WAV 00.07.06 Part LinusN 00.07.07 # LinusN: do you know if there is a feature to automatically switch Rockbox off when the battery gets below a certain level? 00.07.11 # the guys in here are telling me you can;t easily load to codecs at once 00.07.24 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 00.07.27 # Not at the moment, no. 00.07.50 # The request doesn't have to be done the way I requested. I just wrote the request for what *I* would like to see. 00.08.27 # Is it the IRAM issue that really prevents the using of two codecs at once? 00.08.41 # bluebrother: The frequency problem is definitely a range problem in the settings block. 00.08.50 # I'm just thinking that if user benchmarking could be achieved for decoders (realtime and non) in an easy way we could get people to contribute data. 00.08.58 # Up to 100.25 it stores the correct frequency, then it wraps 00.09.08 # doing it the way I am not is imprecise and time consuming 00.09.12 # *now 00.10.26 # I just think its a bit unnecessary to go through all that effort *just* for a benchmarking tool, when actual transcoding would be quite useful. 00.10.51 # * Paul_the_Nerd shrugs 00.11.08 # The fact that I've posed the feature request like that no way precludes anyone from doing it differently anyway 00.11.10 # ah 00.11.41 # bluebrother: The settings block uses 8 bits for storing the last frequency. 255*0.05 + 87.5 = 100.25 ... 00.12.02 # I.e. with 50kHz steps, 8 bits aren't enough 00.12.13 # ok. Haven't thought of that :( 00.12.39 # Paul_the_Nerd: I hear ya and it would be cooler the way you proposed it... but if it's much less likely to get coded that way I think a two step solution is fine. 00.12.50 # Use 9 bit and bump the cfg block version. Leaves the other 2 problems... 00.13.01 # WMA-->WAV then WAV-->MP3 00.14.05 # amiconn, how should I address the lang problem? Change all langs in cvs or deprecate the string? 00.14.07 # * amiconn wonders why it looks like quite a number of devs don't really test before committing... :/ 00.14.33 # * jhMikeS maybe I should follow their example :) 00.14.46 # nah 00.15.04 # damn the torpedos...patch goes up now! :D 00.15.06 # Davide-NYC: The biggest problem with that is that the only time I can see myself transcoding on the fly is when wavpack wasn't small enough afterall, which means there's certainly no room to explode to wav first. :) 00.15.56 # I would like to know why it's hard to load both a playback and recording codec simultaneously. I'm curious what the problem actually is. 00.16.02 # You can fill a memory buffer with pcm with the decoder...swap codecs...and write out...wash rinse repeat till done 00.16.12 # * ikke33 doesn't understand any of this 00.16.19 # The way I would use it is if I had a file that was in a non-realtime format and transcode on the fly to something I could listen to!!! 00.16.31 # I think that would just be killer. 00.16.37 # jhMikeS: Pretty much my throught on actually transcoding, when not benchmarking. 00.16.50 # Paul_the_Nerd: nonrelocatable code, that's what 00.16.53 # currently the codecs are written to load at a fixed address, i think 00.16.54 # Davide-NYC: Why not just transcode it *before* putting it on the dap? Would make 100% more sense to me... 00.17.05 # jhMikeS: And when benchmarking either the input is PCM/Wav or the output is being lost as soon as it's created. 00.17.21 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host20-143.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 00.17.22 # so you'd have to make them relocatable, and also probably make memory allocation more complex to handle two clients at once 00.17.37 # jhMikeS: I know the code's non-relocatable, I'm just a little surprised the input and output codecs are mapped to the same place. Is this in case we have plugins we want to interact with Recording? 00.17.42 # bluebrother: Choose one of these options, I'd say 00.17.46 # The encoders write do their own file writing so youd have to redirect those apis to fake file apis 00.17.51 # amiconn: in general I totally agree, but what if not infront of machine? 00.18.19 # jhMikeS: That sounds like a problem with the "codecs" then, as file writing usually isn't part of a codec's job. 00.18.19 # plus it lends itself to getting the users to help benchmark 00.18.19 # Davide-NYC: How would you move a track onto your dap without a PC? 00.18.53 # Paul_the_Nerd: There's been no effort to really distinguish them yet. I did give the encoders a differnt majic in the headers 'RENC' 00.18.56 # I can imagine myself moving a directory structure to the DAP without being totally familiar with what is in there and listening whiole travleing 00.19.00 # Well, technically you can do that on a H300 - and also X%, but only when rockbox isn't installed - via USBOTG 00.19.03 Quit ikke33 () 00.19.52 # amiconn: For example, transcoding files that turn out to be non-realtime if a computer is not available (say you prepared AAC audiobooks for a trip), or reencoding a lossless recording to something lossy because it ends up taking up more space than expected. 00.20.43 # amiconn: if you check out the wiki page: CodecPerformanceComparison... 00.20.58 # * amiconn still thinks it's a weird idea to load the poor little dap CPU with a task that a PC can do in seconds 00.21.11 # what about benchmarking? 00.21.22 # ?me ducks 00.21.24 # For benchmarking you don't need transcoding 00.21.37 # just decoding 00.21.42 # or encoding 00.21.43 # Pure decoding and pure encoding would be more useful 00.21.47 # Iagree 00.22.04 # For decoding benchmarks, the optimum is to even throw the decoded data away 00.22.23 # agreed 00.22.52 # I think the idea was to have a setting in a decoding_plugin that generated a logfile with performance data 00.22.55 # grr, can some1 explain to me how do i charge an ipod with rockbox through the USB? 00.23.30 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 00.23.40 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-153-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.23.58 Join TCK [0] (n=hahano@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 00.23.59 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@121.55.61.178) 00.24.08 # with this decoding_plugin you could (if necessary) decode a NRT ecoded file to WAV as well 00.24.18 # NRT = non-realtime 00.24.34 Join Angry [0] (i=5438a1b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.24.47 # jhMikeS: please help with a make error 00.24.51 # *patch error 00.24.52 # ?:\ 00.25.09 # The next patch would create the file apps/enc_config.c, 00.25.10 # which already exists! Assume -R? [n] 00.25.10 Part initself 00.25.22 # wow I am too full of turkey 00.25.29 # Kitt0s: Hold MENU as you insert the USB cable. 00.25.51 # Kitt0s: Are you saying that your iPod doesn't reboot to disk mode and charge when USB is connected? 00.26.22 # it becomes diskmode i just want it to charge 00.26.24 # I want to change the files according to the new patch. I have already cvs up -dPC so only files CREATED by this patch are not synced with cvs. 00.26.52 # do I "assume recursive" in this instance? 00.27.10 # Kitt0s: Then do what linuxstb said 00.27.34 # Davide-NYC: what happen?...someone set up us the bomb? 00.28.07 # I had already patched with your v1 patch and forgot to undo it 00.28.08 # hmm, when i reset the ipod while its on USB, it opens rockbox, then gives the USB rockbox bitmap.. then does a wired flashing screen theng goes back to the black&white version of the 'Do not disconnet' of the original 00.28.11 # urghh 00.28.15 # Davide-NYC: I guess you patched over a patched version 00.28.19 # I did 00.28.22 # now what 00.28.25 # :-) 00.28.38 # cvs up -dPC 00.28.47 # Kitt0s: 1) Turn on your ipod (so Rockbox is actually running); 2) Hold MENU and insert USB cable. 00.28.55 # learned that myself today for the same reason 00.29.00 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 00.29.23 # but that will not touch the files your patch creates 00.29.32 # so what about those files? 00.29.36 # delete those 00.29.51 Quit obo ("bye") 00.30.13 # how many are there? 00.30.18 # Davide-NYC: It's generally a good idea to undo an old version of a patch before applying a new one 00.30.21 # ok, but i don't want rockbox running.. i want a plain charge 00.30.34 # enc_config.c enc_config.h enc_base.c enc_base.c general.c general.h pcm_sampr.c pcm_sampr.h 00.30.46 # enc_base.h 00.31.38 Quit Angry ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.31.48 # Kitt0s: What do you mean by "a plain charge" ? If you don't want Rockbox running, then don't run Rockbox... 00.31.56 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.32.00 # thanks 00.32.37 # look man, all i want is to rockbox + the orignal firmware to be OFF, and i want it to only charge, not connected to PC. get it? 00.33.28 # Kitt0s: If Rockbox and the original firmware are off, your ipod can't charge. It has to be on (and running something) to charge. 00.33.44 # hmm.. ok then 00.34.19 # Davide-NYC: I think that's all of them 00.34.20 # Kitt0s: yea, the file-transfer mode charges the pod.. 00.34.30 # that's all in apps right? 00.34.48 # Wish you could force patch to overwrite but couldn't find a switch for that 00.34.55 # rm -R ./apps/* ? 00.35.04 # then cvs up -dPC ? 00.35.14 # apps firmware 00.35.25 # done 00.35.27 # eassier 00.36.32 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 00.36.41 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@203.173.171.223) 00.37.27 # I do different handling on setting the source for SPDIF enabled devices and it may cause problems but the functions spdif_set_monitor really only sets EBU1CONFIG so I'm still not clear 00.41.04 # man, I can;t patch for some reason now 00.42.41 # nix the whole rockbox-devel and checkout again then...that will clear it for sure 00.42.56 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.43.04 # doing 00.44.07 # hate to use such a blunt tool as rm -R * 00.47.24 # that rec_set_source needs some rethinking as it is...so unelegant 00.48.41 # I don't know what happened but I chucked the rb-devel dir so now all of my configured build folders are gone :-( 00.48.50 # I get easily frustrated 00.48.51 # :-) 00.49.43 # ...the end is only the beginning grasshopper...;) 00.50.45 # please standby for the never ending MAKE. 00.51.51 # Davide-NYC: Please hurry fast I'm on the fall aslee.....*snore* 8^B 00.52.11 # you kidding? nothing I can do.. sorry 00.52.21 # cygwin? 00.52.32 # actually while I (we) wait what exactly do you want me to do? 00.52.46 # inform me of my mission 00.53.00 # test all the inputs and make sure they record. check the sampr_test plugin too 00.53.19 # Try it on both versions of the recording screen 00.53.59 # both versions? 00.57.07 # The one from FM radio and the other front normal recording 00.58.23 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.46.10) 01.02.40 # OK I'm back 01.03.24 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.03.32 # ?erew ot kcab 01.05.47 # from MAKE land 01.05.53 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.06.44 Quit lodesi ("leaving") 01.07.02 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-184-158.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 01.07.12 # damn...connection went down 01.07.41 # something is very wrong (sorry) 01.07.55 # It's stil not working? 01.08.04 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Connection timed out) 01.08.16 # something involving source selection is botched. 01.08.27 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 01.08.32 # on first load (defaults to mic in) I got on signal. 01.08.54 # selected source = line and I get input from the mic. 01.09.28 # radio? 01.09.34 # What screen? 01.09.58 # radio = same 01.10.07 # actual audio is from the onboard mic 01.10.13 # mic again huh 01.10.22 # always 01.10.28 # Did you try it from the fmradio screen? 01.10.32 # doing 01.10.52 # haven't been in FM for a while 01.11.17 # The source should be fixed there...no change allowed 01.11.50 # I think fmradio recording screen needs the ability to tune 01.13.21 # stuck at the menu. I long-pressed navi, got to the menu screen (what do we call this screen?) and am now stuck with FM playing and no button responding 01.13.31 # this is from FM 01.13.50 # target=H3x0 01.13.53 # I had that problem...it came after a button patch. 01.13.57 # not mine 01.14.04 # did you reset settings 01.14.09 # oops 01.14.10 # no 01.14.38 # why is it you can never find a paper clip when you need one? 01.14.42 # It should have automatically but try it manually during boot...that can clear a lot of probs 01.14.56 # I have loads of bent ones on my desk :) 01.18.05 # same 01.18.57 # you never made it to recording? 01.19.28 # stuck in that "quick menu" or whatever it's called withthe "recording screen" highlighted and FM playing happily 01.19.35 # that's it 01.19.39 # no button response 01.19.44 # pending reset 01.20.03 # I don;t think the screen is updating at all 01.20.10 # the RTC is not 'moving' 01.20.15 # You mean you went to the recording screen and then to the settings for recording or just made it to the FM radio settings? 01.20.21 # no 01.20.38 # is that when you call the recording screen from the radio menu? 01.20.57 # I went to FM, long-pressed NAVI got to the menu, scolled down to "recording sceen" (it's an item in a list) and short=pressed NAVI. 01.21.04 # yes 01.21.19 # I guess that screen is the FM menu? 01.21.34 # Say like FM Radio > FM Radio Menu > Recording Screen 01.21.41 # yeah 01.21.52 # You actuall tried entering the screen? 01.21.56 # at least I'm stuck listening to "The Who" 01.22.02 # yes 01.22.02 # heh 01.22.06 # might be a general problem from before... I had this with my Ondio (where a recording screen entry doesn't make sense at all) so I thought it would only be hwcodec related 01.22.07 # and now all is stuck 01.22.28 # "teenage wasteland" 01.22.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6105 01.22.49 # So attempting to enter the recording screen from the FMRadio menu locks it...I just wanna be real clear 01.23.00 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.23.10 # pixelma: that is EXACTLY what's happening 01.23.15 # yes 01.23.27 # but might be even without the new recording patch 01.23.30 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 01.23.44 # FM Radio Menu --> Recording Screen --> LOCKED 01.23.58 # songs over, resetting 01.24.03 # someone should try an unpatched build 01.24.15 # Davide-NYC: No lockup on normal record screen then? 01.24.31 # teenage wasteland isn;t that short man, 01.24.35 # trying now 01.25.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.25.27 # I never added the recording screen to the FM Menu for HWCODEC 01.26.02 # ANything that directly adds recording to the radio screen should not have the menu option 01.26.29 # as I stated I don't know exactly when it occured but it wasn't there a while ago (haven't checked that often) 01.26.43 # Recording-->Recording Screen-->No Audio (defaults==mic, M128,44k,stereo) 01.27.23 # If it started on Oct 2 it nothing I did but there was some FM Radio screen work done and apparently not carefully enough 01.27.37 # switch to PCM WAV, no other changes, same result 01.27.40 # no audio 01.27.44 # We have the stations that won't save...buttons used to go dead... 01.27.54 # no audio or mic? 01.28.04 # when does it go from always mic to silent? 01.28.18 # other way around 01.28.31 # silent to always mic...ok....wierd 01.28.34 # I think, that if I make a selection it will go to always mic 01.28.46 # prior to making a selection I have silence 01.28.55 # this is what I believe to be happening 01.29.09 # It's the same code that worked before...there must be a hitch 01.29.32 # I will compare my changes with CVS and find the boo boo 01.29.49 # but I'm ready to just sleep sleep sleep :) 01.29.55 # jhMikeS: you messed up my iPod! YOu guys suckors!! 01.30.04 # or suX0rs 01.30.07 # or whatever 01.30.14 # :-0 01.30.32 # Davide-NYC: You piece of 5h17! 01.30.38 # LOL 01.31.03 # Sincerely, good luck. This will be a very cool addition to RB. 01.31.59 # n3\/3r m355 w1th |\/|3 ! 01.32.58 # 600d n|4ht...I'll be watching though 01.33.33 # * jhMikeS is away for 8 hrs 01.39.20 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 01.44.16 # Paul_the_Nerd: so what determines who gets sent to the mobile version of the page?...browser fingerprint? 01.44.46 # I just put opera mini on my treo (so much better than blazer), and i am not directed to the regular version 01.44.54 # s/not/now 01.48.53 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.49.39 # scorche: I honestly have no idea. I don't know how it makes the determination at all. 01.50.57 # Opera mini goes through a proxy at opera.com 01.53.35 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.53.40 # At least afaik 01.53.53 # QQ: bootloader for H300 is version 5? 01.54.02 # yes 01.54.08 # thank 01.55.26 # Paul_the_Nerd: well, if possible can you put a link at the bottom or somewhere on both versions to transfer to the other one? 01.58.36 Quit newbyx86 ("I LOVE CLOUDS") 01.59.18 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-14-7.sd.sd.cox.net) 01.59.32 # 'night y'all 01.59.37 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 02.00.07 # Ah, yes, this little diagram makes it clear: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=122805&t=1160438227&page=1#comment1415421 02.00.37 # scorche: I honestly don't know what I can/cannot do regarding the mobile stuff yet. I need to check out if they talk about it much in some documentation somewhere 02.00.57 # Paul_the_Nerd: alright...well let me know 02.00.59 # scorche: I don't actually have access to it through the Admin menus like I do the main theme/etc, so it'll be a bit harder to toy with 02.02.19 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit") 02.02.27 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 02.15.35 # does rockbox support aac 02.15.46 # I thought it did 02.17.42 # It has limited support 02.17.56 # I can't even get it to play anything 02.18.00 # it's not recognized 02.18.09 # do I need to rename it 02.18.15 # What's the extension? 02.18.21 # .aac 02.18.31 # Is it a raw AAC stream or something? 02.18.45 # it was made with itunes 02.18.59 # Then the extension should be m4a, right? 02.19.04 # oh 02.19.05 # hm 02.19.07 # I renamed it 02.19.11 # ok let me fix that 02.20.10 # ah thats better thanks 02.20.17 # but no HE-AAC I see 02.20.23 # I guess lack of free decoders 02.21.40 # That and the fact that it requires significantly more available power to decode. 02.21.50 # I see 02.22.15 # I guess I am going with aotuv vorbis then 02.22.31 # all my audio is FLAC and I am transcoding to the most efficient format 02.22.45 # MP3 requires a lot less cpu power to decode. 02.23.14 # my player doesn't have cpu scaling yet 02.23.17 # so it doesn't matter 02.23.23 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 02.23.24 # Ah 02.23.29 # You'll transcode again when it does then? 02.23.30 # musepack FTW if you don't want MP3. 02.23.49 # Musepack is also more efficient on ARM right now, anyway, isn't it? 02.23.52 # Paul_the_Nerd, probably 02.23.59 # apparently very much so. 02.24.04 # it's not a big deal, I just let the quad opteron at work do it for me :) 02.24.08 # I just bring it on a usb hard drive 02.24.09 # Soap: Hey, did musepack ever get proper seeking? I seem to remember something about that, but haven't really payed attention to it. 02.24.11 # and leave it going overnight 02.24.32 # and has the distinction of being the first lossy codec to acheive "transparent" status. How's that for the ▄bergeek? 02.24.48 # I was under the impression musepack wasn't very good 02.24.53 # Paul_the_Nerd - meh - who needs seeking? 02.24.56 # ;) 02.26.28 # musepack is an excellent codec. Low CPU requirements. Still possibly better than LAME MP3 even as far as bitrate to acheive transparency. Doesn't have the "problem samples" MP3 (even with LAME) does. (pre-echo, etc) but musepack isn't supported by much. 02.26.30 # Soap: I personally don't, but to some people it's a drawback. 02.26.31 # I was reading of this new vorbis encoder that does about the same as aacplus but being compatible 02.27.51 # so if I use musepack 02.27.59 # what is the best setting for space/quality 02.28.08 # just standard? 02.28.10 # The recently thumbed-up by HydrogenAudio OGG encoder is really nice. Encodes much faster than LAME, but still requires more horsepower to decode, and doesn't accheive transparency until about the same point as MP3, if not a bit higher. At low bitrates, though, it beats MP3. 02.28.30 # yea - standard is considered transparent on > 99% of sample. 02.28.33 # s 02.28.36 # ok I will try that 02.28.37 # thanks 02.29.05 # I have rather good headphones 02.29.11 # so I would like a decent encode 02.30.00 # wow musepack is big 02.30.06 # but I guess if it's transparent 02.30.46 # ABX all of them out there. 02.30.50 # See where your tolerance is. 02.31.02 # yeah 02.31.16 # well so far I have had good results with the hydrogenaudio vorbis at 100kbps 02.31.24 # around there 02.31.34 # 96kbps 02.31.40 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 02.31.41 # 100kbps it says on the LCD though 02.31.46 # if you have the quad processors you can encode up a real nice set of test samples, and ABX for one evening, and rest assured you have chosen the best codec for _your_ needs. 02.32.07 # what do you mean by ABX 02.32.15 # just listen to them all 02.32.16 # ? 02.32.19 # It's how you blind test two samples. 02.32.40 # You play the A sample, the B sample, The X sample and the Y sample (in foobar) 02.33.04 # then you answer the question "Is A X and B Y, or is A Y and B X?" 02.33.21 # I see 02.33.23 # you keep doing it with lower and lower bitrates until you can tell a difference. 02.33.30 # this gets complex too 02.33.33 # because of types of music 02.33.41 # You do it like 10-15 times per file to make sure you aren't lucky. 02.34.21 # foobar has an excellent ABX routine - just select two files, right click, and ABX. (One file being the original and the other being compressed) 02.34.21 # Paul_the_Nerd: Yes, musepack seeking was committed 02.34.51 # well this musepack at standard sounds outstanding 02.35.00 Quit dpr0 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.35.18 # linuxstb: Good to hear. I thought it was, but I tend to distrust my memory sometimes 02.35.38 # OK, I can no longer get into the OF on my H3x0 02.35.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html never forgets... 02.35.42 # I would use it except for the fact few programs support it, and none of my friends could be bothered to mess with it. 02.35.52 # I have attempted to write back the EEPROM 02.35.57 # what next? 02.36.29 # pretty much sounds like the cd 02.36.47 # Davide-NYC: did u try with someone elses eeprom? 02.37.01 # yes 02.37.08 # This is wierd 02.37.15 # linuxstb: Very true. 02.37.19 # I plugged in the charger and I am now back in Iriver world 02.37.38 # I thought the filesize was rediclous 02.37.41 # What could cause this/ 02.37.43 # ? 02.37.44 # but I forgot this song is 7 min 02.38.08 # Davide-NYC: Was your battery low? 02.39.26 # half way 02.39.48 # anyway thanks for the advice 02.40.33 # What did I do by writing back my EEPROM? 02.40.42 # what did I lose (if anything) 02.40.45 # ? 02.41.15 # the settings of the original firmware are stored there 02.41.54 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.42.25 # Davide-NYC: It would do stuff like reset the contrast to the original value, etc. 02.42.45 # but nothing to my RB settings? 02.44.00 # Nope 02.44.08 # btw, now that musepack seeking works, why doesn't rockbox resume the file where it was stopped and instead plays the file again from the start? 02.45.39 # he's got a point 02.45.43 # I just reproduced it 02.45.52 # it doesn't resume the position it was playing with musepack 02.46.27 # Is not being able to get back into OF on an H3x0 a known bug? What causes this and should a bug report be put on the tracker? I cannot find one. 02.46.48 # If so, does the bug report belong under bootloader or what? 02.47.19 # what happens if you try to start the original firmware? 02.48.18 # Well now that I'm charging I can't seem to turn the unit fully off (which is different from the H1x0 behavior) 02.48.33 # In other words I cannot leave iriver world 02.48.34 # PaulJam: Resume has to be implemented for each codec, I guess no-one has done it yet for Musepack. 02.49.37 # It's not always the same as seeking - for example, for MP3, the byte-offset in the file is stored as the resume position, for other codecs, it is the elapsed time. 02.50.15 # Unplugging the charger I can shutdown the H3x0, but when I restart while holding the rec button I get a flash of the RB boot loader that says "starting original firmware" and then it shuts off again. 02.51.01 # Are you keeping the ON button held down? 02.51.08 # yes 02.51.09 # maybe you aren't holding the play button long enough 02.51.15 # lemme try again 02.51.31 # doh 02.51.48 # * Davide-NYC smacks himself in the face with a dead fish 02.51.56 # thanks 02.52.36 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. 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