--- Log for 14.10.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 10 hours ago 00.01.10 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 00.07.07 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.07.29 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 00.11.22 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 00.12.00 Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-015-241.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.13.22 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 00.28.08 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 00.28.18 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE038.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.31.23 Quit rre7zbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.34.41 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.35.02 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 00.35.33 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.36.07 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 00.38.05 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@cpc2-nfds9-0-0-cust419.leic.cable.ntl.com) 00.39.06 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 00.44.26 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.45.08 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.45.43 Quit fulhack (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.46.40 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.56.20 Quit qailer (Remote closed the connection) 00.57.47 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.58.14 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 00.59.07 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 00.59.36 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.04.02 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-180-79.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 01.10.35 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 01.10.55 Quit ender` (" Everything we know about the Devil has been told us by the the friends of God.") 01.15.32 Quit Joely (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.21 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01.18.27 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-180-79.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 01.23.58 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.24.03 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 01.26.50 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.29.22 # dang it, the Audioscrobbler/Last.FM log patch didn't get commited. Is there still a problem with how it is written? Or is a working playback database still being waited on? 01.31.57 # there's an as plugin for rockbox? 01.33.34 # oh yeah. 01.33.40 # and it works pretty dang well. 01.33.45 # thank you. 01.34.05 # (My first instance of "wrong windows" ever) 01.36.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.36.29 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.37.02 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 01.47.17 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.56.17 # how is the data sent to audioscrobbler? 01.56.28 # +being* 01.57.39 # I believe you just run a script on your computer 02.01.21 Quit Kalthare ("Leaving.") 02.03.20 Quit Kohlriba ("Quit") 02.07.16 # the bug that prevents the last.fm logger to log the first played item should be fixed first imo 02.09.00 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.11.00 Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-037-046.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.25.07 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.199.195) 02.26.20 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 02.29.20 Quit barrywardell () 02.29.50 Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.32.26 Join Joely [0] (n=Joely@adsl-70-131-135-79.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 02.37.58 Part archidendron 02.39.37 Join webguest04 [0] (i=42b79443@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.44.39 # omg! there's Galois!!! 02.44.49 # hahaha, i love Galois theory 02.44.57 # hey there. i just installed rockbox onto my ipod mini g2, and the battery runs out after 3 hours, after having been fully charged. however, according to apple, the battery should last up to 18 hours. 02.45.24 # ...does rockbox drain the battery quicker? or is there another problem? 02.46.07 # Rockbox drains the battery quicker, but usually you only get half of what you'd get under similar conditions, not 1/6 as you described. 02.46.25 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 02.47.09 # okay. is there any way at all that i can maximize the battery life, while keeping rockbox? 02.47.32 # imho, the apple way of managing music is just ridiculous, and rockbox works much better for me. 02.48.00 # Rockbox is still fairly early on on the PortalPlayer targets, so it just has some distance to go yet. 02.48.43 # But you can make sure the backlight isn't on any longer than you need it, choose options that don't use more CPU (such as disabling crossfeed and the equalizer), and making sure the option that turns the disk off when unused is enabled. 02.48.53 # Hmm 02.49.15 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 02.49.15 # * amiconn realises that a new runtime test on mini g2 would probably be useful 02.49.16 # mm! okay! thanks! 02.49.41 # Last time I ran one (a few months ago) I got ~10 hours 02.49.59 # That was with 192kbps mp3 02.49.59 Quit webguest04 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.52.58 Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-037-046.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.53.06 Quit rre7zbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.54.46 Part pixelma 03.00.38 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.02.46 Join ton [0] (n=ton_rulz@cor6-ppp3390.for.dsl.connect.net.au) 03.03.00 # no word on the 30gb 5.5g? 03.03.04 # hello 03.03.34 # anyone no if thre is going to be a rockbox for creative zen vision m 03.03.34 # ? 03.03.59 # Not until someone starts working on it, and nobody has one at the moment, so it doesn't really look good. 03.04.09 # dam 03.04.19 # i wonder y no1 is working on it 03.04.28 # Like I said, nobody has one. 03.04.43 # dam 03.05.07 # what can u do on the rock box? 03.05.32 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 03.07.29 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.08.06 Part jhMikeS 03.08.41 # k thanks for ur help i really hope so there is going to be a rock box 03.09.01 # No worries. 03.09.18 # do u recon it would be made this year? 03.09.27 # Xerion - I believe that bug is not the Last.FM logger's fault. 03.09.40 # yeh 03.09.42 # ton: A timeframe is impossible to give 03.10.04 # i got that version for creative zen i cant record fm now 03.10.16 # which is ashame 03.10.49 # k i g2g thanks again for ur help lets just hope someone makes a rock box 03.10.57 # ton: Unless someone with a vision M actually *does* something, it'll be never done. 03.11.12 # You could always start learning to program 03.11.20 # yeh 03.11.33 # i dunno is there anywhere i could donate 03.11.35 # for it 03.11.40 # ? 03.12.06 # You can donate to rockbox, but you can't donate for a specific purpose (unless you donate a LOT) 03.12.15 # Donations are general and tend to go toward hosting, and stuff like "replacing hardware that gets fried during the development process" like when Barry Wardell's player died while he was getting the H10 port going. 03.12.52 # You'd have to donate a lot to someone who was actually willing to do it. A lot of people see "donations as incentives toward a specific port" as an attempt to change this into "work" 03.13.22 # k thanks for the help 03.13.23 # cya 03.13.55 Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-020-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.14.08 Quit ton () 03.15.51 Quit rre7zbach (Client Quit) 03.15.56 # aliask - how much is a LOT? 03.16.07 # ;) 03.16.11 # Who knows? I'm just quoting Linus on that one... 03.16.31 # I'd think something like 6 months salary... 03.16.35 # Hehehe 03.20.42 Join Yono [0] (n=Yono@69-169-149-152.bflony.adelphia.net) 03.26.05 # net or gross? 03.26.29 # Why, are you thinking of donating? 03.26.36 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 03.26.40 Quit Davide-NYC (Client Quit) 03.26.44 # from what I hear about European tax rates I might be able to swing net. ;) 03.28.35 # Hahaha 03.29.44 # but seriously, someone here probably knows how much I have donated, and it's not enough to get any feature worked on, that's for sure. 03.30.04 # Let alone a whole port. 03.31.12 # I'm so curious as to how to get rockbox on a completely new system... 03.31.31 # But I have a feeling it's WAY beyond me. 03.36.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.36.29 Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.41 Join carl [0] (n=carl@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177838942.dsl.bell.ca) 04.02.39 Join myzar [0] (i=derelict@cpe-72-129-81-32.socal.res.rr.com) 04.08.39 Quit dan_a_afk () 04.20.26 Join Gaia777 [0] (i=c876502d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.21.00 # how's 2nd generation nano progress??? 04.21.06 # There isn't any 04.21.26 # and what if you try rockbox on your 2nd nano?? 04.21.32 # It won't work. 04.21.47 # youre a developer or something?? 04.22.12 # Or I just happen to have read the forum thread where it was discovered that it has entirely different undocumented hardware and nobody's reverse engineered it yet. 04.22.49 # but maybe some people can test their discoveries 04.23.18 # What discoveries? 04.23.26 Join webguest59 [0] (i=864c0307@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.23.41 # no im just saying... 04.24.05 # the thing is that they don't know anything about the new firmware?? 04.24.13 # It has nothing to do with the new firmware. 04.24.17 # It's the new hardware. 04.24.18 # so?? 04.24.26 # ahhh hardware 04.24.41 # that dual processor i'm right?? 04.24.48 # its something like that 04.24.56 # Huh? 04.25.15 # whats the difference??? nano and mini had different hardware 04.25.25 # and each had to be a different port 04.25.27 # and nano 1st is hackable 04.25.29 # It's the fact that they moved from a PortalPlayer brand processor (that we still know little about) to a Samsung processor (that we know nothing at all about) with entirely new hardware for some of the other things (or all of them maybe) as well 04.25.44 # All earlier iPods used *very* similar processors. 04.26.17 # ahhhh see..... so it's going to take too much??? it's that i bought it yesterday 04.26.17 # i think the nano2g is using the same headphone jack. 04.26.17 # and this one uses *very* different hardware...not near just the processor 04.26.31 # too much of what? 04.26.40 # time or progress 04.26.55 # well, there never is "too much", but it will take time 04.27.08 # It also requires someone who owns one to actually do a lot of owrk 04.27.09 # work 04.27.11 # it maybe can be tomorrow or in one year 04.27.24 # It may be longer than a year. Or never. 04.27.25 # well, it wont be tomorrow ;) 04.27.32 # lol 04.28.02 # in rockbox you can view videos right?? 04.28.07 # or is just on podzilla?? 04.28.20 # you can view videos... 04.29.06 # and the rockbox team is actually working on the 2nd nano?? 04.29.09 # scorche - you are evil 04.29.19 # Soap: what?...its true! 04.29.33 # Gaia777: I don't know that anyone even *has* one to work on. 04.29.43 # Paul_the_Nerd: linuxstb has one 04.29.48 # scorche - I agree. You speak the truth. 04.29.49 # Okay, so one person has one. 04.30.12 # i have one too... the problem is that i dont know about hacking or c 04.30.35 # then either learn about it, or sit on the fence and wait =) 04.30.42 # the big problem is that nobody knows how the chip works 04.30.57 # nobody willing to tell anyway... 04.31.07 # well, yes. 04.31.10 # and in the future how they'll now how the chip works?? 04.31.15 # clearly a black bag op at samsung headquarters is called for 04.31.46 # Gaia777: i lost my crystal ball a couple months ago... 04.32.18 # well thats sort of difficult 04.34.24 # ohhh guess what everybody! i'm getting my jtag wiggler for arm7s soon! i ordered it this afternoon! so we'll connect it to the portalplayer and find interesting things ;) 04.34.53 # i know Badger already has one.... 04.34.56 # but he wont share 04.34.57 # :( 04.34.58 # haha 04.35.14 # BAGDER 04.35.30 # omg that's gonna get me killed 04.38.55 Quit carl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.49.12 # Badgers? BADGERS?? we don't need no steeking badgers! ;) 04.55.13 Join Burn [0] (i=cb333c73@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.56.05 # hi does anyone how i get a new build onto my rockbox? 04.57.11 Join iRox [0] (i=473a5360@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.57.24 # hey is godrizza here? 04.57.33 # Yeah, whats up? 04.57.39 # Only kinda here so if I'm slow, sorry :) 04.57.43 # hey i was you posted your mbr.bin 04.57.53 # Yes it was me that posted my mbr :) 04.58.00 # jw, does this contain the bootloader? 04.58.01 # Burn: just extract it to the root of your player. 04.58.16 # i don't really fully understand the mbr.bin 04.58.23 # iRox: If you dd the mbr to /dev/sdX then it will have the bootloader, y es. 04.58.43 # is this the "more stable" way of running rockbox? 04.58.45 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.59.18 # webguest59: do i press yes to all when its says replace all the files? 04.59.27 # do i need to use a seperate program or is it something that can be done by dragging and replacing the file? 04.59.41 # Burn: yes 05.00.02 # ok, how do u light up orange? 05.00.41 # webguest59! are you that guy that told me that the h10 had a jtag port?? 05.00.42 # iRox: This is the way that you have to use mtools to copy 05.00.45 # but it is stable. 05.00.46 # it happen automatically in the webclient when the message contains your nick 05.00.57 Quit Burn ("CGI:IRC") 05.01.05 # oh... 05.01.11 # will this involve formatting my ipod? 05.01.13 Join Burn [0] (i=cb333c73@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 05.01.18 # Joley: no, i'm someone else 05.01.23 # awww 05.01.24 # ok 05.01.43 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB06040.ipt.aol.com) 05.04.38 Quit Burn (Client Quit) 05.04.51 # godzirra, if i boot into linux, all i would have to do is use mtools to use the hexed mbr.bin and thats it, copy the rockbox build to the root and im done? 05.05.08 # lol sorry and another question, would my ipod be accessible in windows 05.05.11 # iRox: Sort of. 05.05.15 # No 05.05.16 # it wouldnt be 05.05.25 # i mean it should be fat 32 partition tho? 05.05.28 # you would have to use mtools to copy stuff until someone figures out the solution 05.05.33 # It doesnt work quite like that 05.05.36 # I cant explain it well t hough : 05.05.37 # :) 05.05.44 # o ok thanks 05.05.51 # im gonna look on google for a ported mtools 05.06.03 # (this is reversable, right?) 05.06.11 Quit amiconn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.06.12 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.06.18 # or will i never be able to use itunes to restore it, sorry im just being cautious 05.06.23 # Yup 05.06.26 # you can restore it same as normal :) 05.06.40 # alrighty then im gonna mess around 05.06.41 # brb 05.06.41 # to my knowledge, nothing you do with the software/firmware is going to be nonreversible. 05.06.55 # thanks for the info 05.07.30 # sure thing :) 05.11.11 Quit Yono (Remote closed the connection) 05.13.39 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 05.16.26 Quit Gaia777 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.16.53 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.20.51 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 05.22.41 Quit myzar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.23.41 # anyone? :) 05.26.50 # What's the question again? 05.28.15 # Oops. 05.28.18 # wrong channel :) 05.28.21 # hence why you're confused.. heh 05.36.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.37.38 Quit webguest59 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.39.36 Join Jack [0] (n=Jack@pool-71-114-133-157.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.44.27 # haha hey godzirra, you feel like helping me get started with mtools? 05.49.00 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 05.49.09 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AED8F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.51.58 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 05.52.00 Quit Davide-NYC (Client Quit) 05.53.48 # o.o 06.13.05 Quit iRox ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.13.33 # damn he left 06.18.32 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 06.18.58 # Hello 06.20.58 # anyone getting errors on Make Sim? 06.21.05 # debug_menu.c 06.21.09 # anyone? 06.23.47 # OK god noght 06.23.51 # *night 06.23.58 # back in maybe 24 hours 06.24.01 # :-) 06.24.04 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 06.25.47 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 06.26.24 # I can;t stay but wanted to let the devs know that the H1x0 build do not compile for me. 06.26.47 # CC debug_menu.c 06.26.49 # debug_menu.c: In function `dbg_audio_thread': 06.26.50 # debug_menu.c:332: error: `filebufused' undeclared (first use in this function) 06.26.52 # debug_menu.c:332: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 06.26.53 # debug_menu.c:332: error: for each function it appears in.) 06.26.55 # debug_menu.c:333: error: syntax error before '==' token 06.26.56 # make[1]: *** [/home/user/rockbox-devel/sim.H1x0/apps/debug_menu.o] Error 1 06.26.58 # make: *** [all] Error 2 06.27.41 # And you've made no modifications and are doing a normal build? 06.27.47 # Because the CVS build is fine. 06.28.24 # I had a modified debug_menu.c file, but I updated it using cvs up -C debug_menu.c 06.28.37 # I have now deleted it and am doing a cvs up -dP 06.28.46 # (deleted just debug_menu.c 06.28.48 # ) 06.30.26 # Oh Paul, me thinks it works now 06.31.05 # * Davide-NYC duck 06.31.14 # * Davide-NYC shamed 06.32.51 # 'night all 06.32.55 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 06.34.41 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 06.42.11 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 07.00.59 Join yipe [0] (n=yipely@12-207-158-232.client.mchsi.com) 07.01.15 # hello everybody 07.02.38 # I'm new to rockbox, and I've looked over the FAQs etc, and can't find this particular piece of info, so please for give me if this is an annoying question 07.03.30 # since installing rockbox, everytime I plug in the USB cable on my ipod, it mounts my ipod as read-only (I'm on Ubuntu Linux btw) 07.04.14 # I try to use chown and chmod so I can alter the ipod's drive, but it refuses to allow it 07.05.13 # hmm 07.05.30 # what happened to the zx spectrum viewer? 07.18.41 # wait is zxbox integrated in the source? 07.20.55 Quit yipe (Remote closed the connection) 07.25.29 # most things are 07.28.50 # I hate compiling 07.29.06 # it always asks me which file to patch 07.29.10 # and I have no idea 07.29.38 # why do you have to compile 07.30.12 # because there are some patches not intergrated in the source which I find necessary 07.30.20 # ah. 07.30.32 # The flyspray doesn't tell me which file to patch either 07.30.41 # well, it's your prerogative to use those things 07.30.52 # The patches include the filenames of the file to patch in them 07.30.56 Quit BHSPitMonkey ("Leaving") 07.31.00 # In fact if you apply them from the right place, they'll do it automatically 07.31.45 # I'm applying it from rockbox-devel like the guide told me 07.32.02 # and It keeps asking for the file to patch 07.32.13 # It depends on where they made the patch from. 07.32.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5167 07.32.23 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-141-169-210.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.32.25 # that is the patch 07.32.26 # But even when it asks for what file to patch, it should *tell* you what file to patch on the screen. 07.32.38 # there are only 2 I need to patch 07.32.44 # I'll check the screen 07.32.50 # You consider *that* one "Necessary" to use Rockbox? 07.33.02 # that one? 07.33.04 # no 07.33.11 # I want to test it 07.33.17 # the other I find necessary 07.33.32 # it fixes flac searching problems on the 5g 07.34.27 # yah I don't see any specific file 07.34.37 # BigMac, for that you need to patch from outside the directory 07.34.47 # i think 07.34.47 # there are like 50 directories 07.34.50 # ok 07.34.55 # co cd.. 07.34.55 # so cd ../ 07.34.57 # yeah 07.34.59 # so 07.35.03 # k 07.35.05 # will do 07.35.23 # did it work? 07.35.44 # we'll find out 07.36.05 # and is your directory entitled rockbox-devel-gfxmenuplugin ? 07.36.15 # it should be 07.36.16 # ;) 07.36.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.36.22 # wait 07.36.25 # Well he could use the -p to strip levels 07.36.35 # I should make a new directory for it? 07.36.39 # and one hunk failed 07.36.45 # and one succeded 07.36.50 # So it's outdated 07.37.03 # aww ok 07.37.15 # is there anyway to remove the patch now? 07.37.24 # no 07.37.25 # !!! 07.37.26 # it's not 07.37.29 # hold on 07.37.34 # the diff is messed up 07.37.35 # hehe 07.37.59 # rename your directory to rockbox-devel-gfxmenuplugin 07.38.11 # and then apply the patch 07.38.11 # so not my fault completly 07.38.17 # ok 07.38.20 # :) 07.38.27 # Joely: Why would one hunk fail and one succeed if it's merely a pathing issue? Shouldn't it report that it couldn't find the file to patch? 07.38.34 # but that won't effect my other patch right? 07.38.48 # Paul, because one line reads like this... 07.38.52 # --- rockbox-devel/apps/plugins/SOURCES 2006-04-16 20:16:17.000000000 -0600 07.38.53 # +++ rockbox-devel-gfxmenuplugin/apps/plugins/SOURCES 2006-04-25 07.39.16 # ok and i still patch from outside the directory? 07.39.19 # yes 07.39.30 # Joely: Fair enough. It's still a six month old patch. 07.39.36 # hehe 07.40.09 # ok 07.40.11 # error 07.40.20 # well then 07.40.21 # Patch previously applied 07.40.30 # oh then there you go 07.40.32 # Assume _r 07.40.38 # -r 07.40.38 # [n] 07.40.41 # it's been updated 07.40.56 # so what do i type? 07.41.09 # what are you trying to do with a six month old patch? 07.41.10 # lol 07.41.16 # sorry i came into this a little late 07.41.24 # patch the cvs:) 07.41.24 # probably shouldn't have jumped in at all >< 07.42.08 Part Paul_the_Nerd 07.42.14 # oh no! 07.42.18 # he left :( 07.42.35 # i hope i didn't hurt his feelings 07.46.32 # anyway i can start with a clean source? 07.46.55 # check it out again... 07.48.01 # check out what? 07.48.05 # cvs 07.48.10 # oh wait 07.48.14 # did you code something? 07.48.27 # no just patching the source 07.48.34 # and only one patch worked 07.49.00 # all the other hunks only get like 2:7 07.49.05 # so i just want a clean 07.49.28 # recheck it out 07.50.51 # is there any general file search functionality in rockbox? if I'm looking for a file with something in the name? 07.51.15 # how would you input it? 07.51.28 # same way you input any text... 07.51.30 # sorry if i'm being stupid.... 07.51.37 Part Jack 07.51.46 # huh? you don't on an mp3 player... 07.52.01 # there is a virtual keyboard that we use 07.52.06 # REALLY!? 07.52.10 # that's so cool 07.52.12 # yeah... 07.52.17 # looks like someone hasnt read the manual ;0 07.52.19 # it's actually quite tedious 07.52.23 # ;) 07.52.36 # iPL has a nice spread of TI methods 07.52.59 # which are all quite tedious. 07.53.27 # maybe you guys should make a voice recognition module :-D 07.53.34 # WAIT 07.53.38 # let me check the manual first 07.53.43 # maybe it's already there... 07.53.44 # haha 07.54.00 # anyway, I repose my question, any file name searching outside of the tagcache? 07.54.21 # um.. isn't there like a search.rock? 07.54.43 # i don't remember any such thing working very effectively though.. or even doing general filesearching at all. 07.54.51 # not in my install 07.55.02 # which is full, I think 07.55.09 # there is always the playlist search function 07.55.21 # is this only a topic because it's in apple's new firmware 07.55.23 # load everything into a playlist and search 07.55.46 # ah, didn't know there was a playlist search fcn 07.56.03 # thanks, that'll do nicely 08.03.04 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host57-204.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 08.04.22 # do I type anything after make 08.04.31 # it keeps telling me it is missing something 08.04.42 # but the tutorial said just type make 08.05.34 # uh. so... why are you reading the tutorial.. if you're not gonna follow it? 08.05.36 # what does it tell you you are missing? 08.06.02 # a tutorial describes what you need to do, it doesn't say some of the things you might want to do and go ask for the rest on IRC. follow the instructions and if you have a problem, go ahead and ask it. 08.06.31 # midkay_: The database search was only for the old tagcache 08.06.37 # I did have a problem 08.06.40 # and did ask it 08.06.57 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzz") 08.06.58 # aliask: it didn't work for me, so i assumed that. why's it in cvs? and are you talking about databox? 08.07.26 # Yes, databox... I dunno why it hasn't been removed (maybe to remind people to adapt it for the new version of TC) 08.08.26 # eh i give 08.08.40 # I'll wait until they put the patch into the cvs 08.08.44 # it should already be there 08.08.58 # if it should be, it would be 08.09.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5892 08.09.23 # Do you own an ipod? 08.09.36 # i do 08.09.42 # searching through a flac file on it is horrible 08.10.08 # whining to me about it will not help it get into CVS 08.10.10 # you skim to lets say 2:30 and it picks up playing at say 1:50 08.10.25 # I'm just telling you your wrong 08.10.34 # in your opinion 08.10.42 # it fixes the problem and should therefore be there 08.11.18 # just because the current implementation is flawed, doesnt mean that a patch for it is right 08.11.58 # an example of this would be the issue with the 4gs and crashing 08.12.02 # there is a patch for it 08.13.30 # there are reasons for it not being in CVS 08.13.42 # same as there may be reasons why that patch is not in 08.14.07 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-233-214.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 08.14.42 # whether it is just that it is awaiting a dev to look at it, or not 08.16.02 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 08.21.05 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 08.24.02 Join Kalthare [0] (n=kalthare@c-71-197-114-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 08.24.30 # * Kalthare grumps 08.27.29 # What's the matter you? 08.28.00 # Bug-hunting. Isn't going well. 08.28.20 # And there's nothing more fun than a bug you just can't kill. 08.28.29 # Zactly. 08.28.54 # I've actually found and fixed two bugs, but neither of them were causing the crash I'm having. 08.28.55 # Is this more 5.5g madness? 08.29.08 # Yup. 08.29.21 # Awesome 08.30.02 Join Larsie [0] (n=Larsie@53538563.cable.casema.nl) 08.30.07 # hi 08.30.35 # Will be if it works. I'm starting to worry that this might be some kind of complicated race condition that's being triggered by the fact that minor accesses are transferring four times as much data as formerly. 08.30.38 # Hi. 08.32.26 # Could you just put some sleep()'s or udelay()'s in there to space it out and weed it out? 08.34.16 # It freezes partway thru the loop in copy_read_sectors() in ata.c .. I've no idea why it would do that. 08.37.32 Join rinat [0] (i=[U2FsdGV@centaur.acm.jhu.edu) 08.42.46 # iPod use the C version, not ASM right? 08.43.21 # Right. 08.44.21 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 08.48.36 # What does taking it out of IRAM do? 08.50.19 # Faster, I suppose. I'm not sure it applies to the iPod. 08.51.29 # Damn, I wish I had a 5.5g to play with... 08.52.55 # At this point I'm wishing I had a 5g. I wasn't actually looking for an interesting hacking project when I got this thing. 08.53.47 # hi Kalthare 08.53.57 # your the one wqorking on 5.5g? 08.54.01 # yeah, that's me. 08.54.39 # lucky, lucky me. 08.55.00 # i'm thinking of buying one... but for the 80gb hdd 08.55.32 # the 80GB isn't working at all right now -- some sort of ATA problem. 08.55.59 # ? 08.56.44 Quit Joely (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.56.53 # It won't even read the partition table. As far as I know, nobody's found out why yet. 08.57.18 # has anyone here got/seen both 5mm & 8mm hdds? 08.57.39 # I've seen them briefly, why? 08.58.28 # which way are they bulkier? (compared to connector) 08.58.35 # towards label size 08.58.37 # *side 08.58.46 # other side 08.58.47 # or evenly? 09.00.10 # If I recall it was toward the label side, but I'm honestly not terribly sure. 09.01.37 Join Joely [0] (n=Joely@adsl-70-131-135-79.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 09.01.53 # well 09.02.03 # i'm not sure if i can squeeze one in or not 09.02.13 # In a what? 09.02.24 # arhos gmini 402 09.06.13 # Ah 09.06.21 # It's got a single platter in it initially? 09.08.55 # yes 09.09.07 # but 20gb doesn't cut it 09.09.13 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 09.10.55 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 09.13.41 # last time i looked into putting a new drive into my h120, the biggest single-platter drives were 30G, which isn't really worth the time and money 09.13.53 # yeah 09.14.03 # biggest retail single is 30gb 09.14.36 # though 40gb supposedly came out same time as 80gb - none hav e been seen 09.14.45 # re size, if you can find the spec sheets for the drives your considering they might have drawings in them 09.14.49 # er, you're 09.17.34 # there are drawings in the sheet for the 80G toshiba, but i can't quite parse them 09.17.47 Join dan_a_afk [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 09.17.58 Nick dan_a_afk is now known as dan_a (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 09.18.15 # i think the extra thickness is on the label side for this one though 09.18.53 # Well, I'm out of ideas again. 09.27.01 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 09.33.39 # The main thing I don't understand is why Apple did this in the first place. They must've gone through this same crap with their firmware -- toward what purpose? 09.33.57 Quit Joely (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.34.07 # gehe 09.34.15 # maybe it was cheaper? 09.34.30 # companies like apple dont realize that firmwares like rockbox can turn people to buy their product 09.34.49 # and instead focus on them losing control 09.34.59 # well, even if they did, we're only a small part of the buyers ;) 09.35.02 # scorche: Well there is the belief that we increase their support costs 09.35.19 # ah...that too 09.35.37 # I don't think this is an anti-third-party measure. It's not a very effective one. 09.35.58 # but then they just go the iriver route and deny claims that are anything even close to rockbox cause failures 09.36.05 # Kalthare: Well it seems to have made it more difficult, at no real cost to their software's effectiveness. 09.36.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.36.58 # Paul_the_Nerd: For us, yes, but this should barely be any obstacle at all to iPod Linux. 09.37.26 # Kalthare: Wouldn't they still have problems getting their bootloader started? 09.37.28 # But with the 80GB version, does it also use a different firmware or is it just included in all firmwares (sorry i'm ipod noob) 09.38.22 # Paul_the_Nerd: Does their bootloader use Linux's FAT driver? 09.38.22 Quit jborn__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.38.37 # Larsie: I think they've traditionally put out a different binary for every model. 09.38.45 # Kalthare: I honestly don't know. It supports HFS+, so it might. 09.39.03 Join jborn__ [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 09.39.26 # Kalthare: Either way, I think Rockbox has been more noted than iPodLinux. Notice that Apple *finally* did gapless playback after we showed up with it, and they showed up with a game list suspiciously reminiscent of ours. 09.40.23 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.41.19 # gehe, they said the 'old' generation wasn't powerfull enough or something like that 09.42.06 # I wonder if there is some hardware differences, since the 5.5g gets the Search feature, and the 5 doesn't. I mean, is Apple just lying outright? 09.42.24 # but afaik they are the only brand producing DAP's with gapless in the stockfirmware 09.42.49 # Larsie: The Rio Karma had gapless ages ago, I believe. Or some other player. 09.42.57 # a ok 09.43.01 # Yeah, it was the Karma. 09.43.18 # but it's out of production 09.43.22 # Gapless doesn't really require any particularly powerful processor. 09.43.27 # so not a real option :P 09.44.04 # off-course not, it's just loading the data of the next song in the buffer like nothing happend 09.44.08 # well not that easy 09.44.25 # Actually, I wound up caught in the middle of this whole Rockbox/5.5 thing because my Karma's battery swelled up and crushed the hard drive. 09.44.37 # :( 09.45.03 # Apparently EVERY Karma is doing this. So even used ones aren't really an option at this point. 09.45.12 # I know how you feel, my iriver H320 died because someone dropped it :( 09.45.18 # Anyway, you know what? Apple's gapless playback? SUCKS. 09.45.20 # now I have a Sansa e250 09.45.23 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 09.45.30 # That's because Apple Gapless is faked right? 09.45.40 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 09.45.52 # They try to detect trailing gaps, rather than just playing the true track length? 09.46.07 # :X 09.46.27 # that's more like cross-fading 09.46.32 # I've heard about that, but what I'm referring to is the fact that it fails to gapless at least as often as it succeeds. 09.46.49 # The old archos DAPs all did proper gapless 09.46.56 # If it can "fail" then it's definitely trying to detect *something* 09.47.36 # Could just be a buffering inadequacy 09.48.03 # I guess it depends what the failures are like 09.49.21 # I think it's a little from column A, and a little from column B. 09.49.29 # * Paul_the_Nerd shrugs 09.49.35 # hmmz, is it just me or is the Cygwin environment a lot less cpu intensive 09.49.40 # Well, at least they tried. 09.49.59 # I think maybe the problem is they don't really understand what people want in "gapless" 09.50.14 # Because "gapless" is a misleading term, since it sounds like it means "no gaps, ever" 09.50.46 # yeah but silence is not a gap 09.50.54 # in a song at least 09.51.07 # But a lot of people don't catch that. 09.51.18 # o.o 09.51.24 # boom boom karma? 09.52.02 # I think it understands LAME gapless tags, incidentally. 09.52.14 # That's good 09.52.32 # LAME gapless tags? wtf are they 09.53.37 # LAME is an MP3 encoder.. and it can tag files with info for properly gapkilling them 09.54.25 # but that's not real gapless too, because it just cuts the last parts of songs, right? 09.54.33 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-66-141-169-210.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 09.55.01 # it sounds kind of pointless, you could better just cut off the silence, saves a few KB :P 09.55.50 # The problem is that MP3s end on a frame boundary, rather than the actual exact time the original track ended. That's why gapkilling is an interesting problem. 09.56.10 # LAME puts a tag in there that says, to players that understand it, where in the last frame the track is _supposed_ to end. 09.56.26 # hmm 09.56.40 # do other formats have the same thing, or is it not an issue? 09.56.53 # A DAP should both never add silence samples where they don't belong, nor remove any such samples if they belong to the track. That's proper gapless, everything else is faking, imho 09.57.11 # agree 09.57.40 # The problem is that with MP3 it can be hard to know which silence samples are supposed to be there. 09.58.11 # Ogg has official gapkill support. Other formats, I don't know. 09.58.23 # The LAME tag is sort of an extension to the mp3 format. Mp3 data comes in frames of constant length. The lame tag tells the decoder where in the last farme the track really ends 09.59.33 # It is possible to have true gapless with mp3 and without LAME tag support, but then the tracklengths of an album need to be adjusted a tiny bit (a few milliseconds) in order to make the tracks end on a frame boundary 10.00.37 # Though there's still the risk that a gapkiller will assume that silence should be removed. 10.01.02 # Proper gapless never needs a 'gapkiller' 10.01.32 # We were discussing Apple's implementation of such, originally. 10.01.39 # Apart from that, it is _not possible_ that a part of an mp3 frame is true silence, while another part of the same frame is not 10.01.58 # ...because of how mp3 works 10.02.07 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.02.43 # well, anyway 10.02.54 # i'm in a predicament 10.03.09 # do i upgrade hdd or buy a new player? 10.03.25 # amiconn: This is changing the subject, but is it possible there's a race condition in the ATA code that would occur because small accesses are pulling 4 sectors instead of 1? 10.06.38 # daurnimator: depends on how much you want to spen 10.06.48 # spend* 10.06.50 # as little as possible 10.06.53 # gehe 10.07.01 # then I would go for a HD 10.07.16 # or, a secondhanded DAP 10.07.21 # but, theres the risk it won't fit in my player 10.07.39 # i would get a secondhand dap, if you could point me to nice ones 10.07.53 # H340, Iaudio X5 10.08.18 # 80GB HDD's fit into the iriver H340 10.08.28 # i'm not sure of the X5 10.09.15 # i want 60gb+ 10.09.17 # H140 is also an option, but they're expensive, even second hand 10.09.38 # H340 are quite cheap 10.10.01 # for around 150 euro's you can get one in good condition 10.10.29 # then you only need to buy a 80GB HD which cost's about as much as the whole DAP :P 10.10.42 # but you could sell your old DAP, right? 10.11.12 # and you could sell the old HD 10.11.48 # I was planning on buying a second DAP 10.12.17 # na 10.12.21 # can't sell old dap 10.12.26 # gehe 10.12.44 # daurnimator: if you want space, and want it cheap, there are always the archos recorders =) 10.13.00 # i want to fit it in my pocket 10.13.04 # :') 10.13.10 # no larger than H340 if possible 10.13.16 # wear cargo pants 10.13.29 # Kalthare: I doubt that. The ata code uses a mutex to serialise accesses 10.13.35 # or buy a hammer >:) 10.13.39 # scorche: then i'd have to buy pants - which costs lots 10.13.45 Join fulhack [0] (n=E@217-208-218-176-no37.tbcn.telia.com) 10.14.12 # honestly, yeah they are pretty big, but it still fits in any of my pockets 10.14.24 # hmm 10.14.31 Part Paul_the_Nerd 10.14.46 # I'll check how much they cost here (the Netherlands) 10.15.01 # you are going to have to get one on ebay 10.15.15 # yeah I know 10.15.46 # ouch 10.15.51 # iaudios are expensive 10.15.57 # jukebox 20 for 100 euro;s 10.16.03 # yeah I know 10.16.24 # but they're the only truly good DAP's at the moment imho 10.16.28 # Kalthare: Do we know for sure whether the cpu in the 5.5g is really the same as in the 5g (PP5021), i.e. did someone open a 5.5g and check? 10.16.42 # shame the H320/H340 is out of production 10.16.48 # Larsie: player or recorder? 10.17.00 # no clue :P 10.17.00 # if you are decent at soldering, there is a very good chance that broken ones are an easy fix 10.17.16 # well, how much is a 80gb hdd? 10.17.26 # what type? 10.17.40 # 1.6" 10.17.44 # 1.8" 10.18.06 # I'm used to soldering 10.18.11 # not very good at it 10.18.18 # It quite some difference. Archos recorder 20 has USB2.0, the models with less capacity only have USB1.1. Archos Player/Studio is always USB1.1 only. 10.18.32 # it's the studio 10.18.34 # man 10.18.40 # amiconn: not necessarily 10.18.41 # hmm 10.18.43 # archos made awesome plaeyrs till this year 10.18.53 # i'll look for some broken ones :) 10.19.00 # PMA430 10.19.01 # In addition, the USB1.1 bridge isn't fully mass storage compatible so it requires special drivers 10.19.10 # recorders < 20 arent always 1.1 10.19.21 # ok thanks for the tip :) 10.19.41 # see my note in DeviceChart 10.20.20 # Yes, there's rumour that some recorder 15 's are usb2.0 too, 10.20.28 # it isnt a rumor 10.20.29 # i have one 10.20.40 # oh 10.21.00 # arg 10.21.01 Join Joely [0] (n=eliveuse@adsl-70-131-135-79.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 10.21.02 # and i have 2 other 15s that arent ;) 10.21.11 # new player: $230 10.21.13 # I only knew of people who relied on a recorder 15 being USB2.0, and were unlucky 10.21.19 # 80gb hdd: $280 10.21.20 # and what's the sound like on archos recorders? 10.21.35 # comparable to Iaudio X5/iriver H320 10.21.36 # ? 10.21.42 # quite good 10.21.45 # Better, definitely 10.21.53 # At least better than iriver 10.21.59 # amiconn: as I say in the note, there are visual differences on the case 10.22.06 # The only drawback is that they are mp2/mp3 only 10.22.21 # yeah, HW decoding :( 10.22.25 # well, there is a wav viewer, but not full functionality 10.22.27 # But with rockbox, you can also play wav 10.22.37 # Not in the core yet, but that is planned 10.22.49 # is there any1 here that wants to work on a new target? 10.22.58 # no fact finding missions needed 10.23.05 # i have all the info - hw addr etc 10.23.15 # just.. no time to do the port 10.23.23 # daurnimator: it is very hard when you dont have the actual device... 10.23.33 # [10:21:59] amiconn: as I say in the note, there are visual differences on the case <= yes I know 10.23.43 # amiconn: I have no idea... 10.23.46 # well, if you're volunteering, help the sansa e200 series :P 10.24.10 # yeah yeah! sansa e200!!! that's fun :) 10.24.11 # Kalthare: Well, someone should do that. 10.24.41 # * amiconn opened his mini2g less than a day after he got it 10.24.47 # gehe 10.24.58 # I suppose there's no way to identify it from software? 10.25.29 # hmmz 10.25.39 # amiconn: someone checked 10.25.43 # archos jukebox studio 10 for just 20 euro's 10.25.45 # saw it in a review 10.25.56 # I'm.. hesitant. I'm already worried I'm sacrificing my iPod to the cause, with all that debugging output I put in the copy_read_sectors() loop 10.26.03 # Larsie: you do not want the studios....recorders are the ones 10.27.02 # even not for 20 euro's ? 10.27.19 # well...they have a charcell display 10.27.22 # 2 lines 10.27.33 # among other differences... 10.27.36 # but the sound quality? 10.27.38 # * amiconn actually prefers the studio over the recorder for in-car use 10.28.02 # i still would rather have the functionality...you can always change the font 10.29.10 Join Injection [0] (n=mitchell@cor6-ppp3390.for.dsl.connect.net.au) 10.29.11 # scorche: It's not the font (I am using a quite biig font when I'm using any of my bitmapped daps in the car). The buttons are fewer and larger, so they're easier to operate without looking at the device (with the voice ui) 10.29.23 # hi 10.29.27 # hi 10.29.49 # does anyone no if there is going to be a rockbox for creative zen vision m 10.29.49 # amiconn: to each, his own =) 10.29.53 # Larsie: Sound quality is about equal, as long as it's not one of the early player models, which had a distinct lack of bass 10.30.28 # ty, I'll probably just use it with my amp at home 10.30.39 # And the player/studio hardware has less options to adjust the sound. Just volume, balance, treble, bass 10.30.43 # so I don't need any fancy features 10.30.46 # hmm 10.30.53 # could anyone work on trying to put rockbox on creative zen vision m 10.31.20 # Yeah, then the player/studio has a separate line out which can be useful when connecting it to a stereo 10.31.25 # Injection: well, someone with hw details needs to provide info first 10.31.32 # Injection, I don't think so, creative uses TI chips which are undocumented and no compilers avalable 10.31.47 # Unlike the iriver h1x0/h300, this is a true line out with constant level 10.31.52 # Larsie: which chip? 10.32.03 # so its not going to happen? 10.32.10 # cpu at least 10.32.18 # Texas Instruments 10.32.22 # Injection: it happens when a person is dedicated to the cause 10.32.26 # Larsie: WHICH chipset? 10.32.32 # I'm looking at an image of the inside of an iPod 5.5G.. I see the Broadcom chip, but I can't identify the PP chip.. 10.32.35 # Kalthare: This is actually my mini2g: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IPodMini2GInfo :) 10.32.35 # dm320? 10.32.39 # dm270? 10.32.40 # I don't know exactly 10.32.44 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 10.32.46 # I don't know if it's even in the pic.. 10.32.52 # but TI is closed, right? 10.32.56 # Kalthare: link? 10.33.07 # Larsie: depends on the chip 10.33.09 # dam who could i ask if they could make one because im willingto pay alot 10.33.20 # amiconn: http://www.appleinsider.com/image.php?i=ipod-vid-55-td-lb&id=2052&pe=1 10.33.44 # PP5021C-TDF 10.33.49 # Upper left corner.. 10.33.51 # eg, my device has a dm320 - the main processor is a plain old ARM9 - there is a gcc port, but it has a c54xx DSP that is closed 10.34.08 # Ohh. Right. 10.34.11 # So it's indeed the same as in the old 5g 10.34.45 # noone listens to me - do they 10.34.53 # so does anyone no who could i ppay? 10.35.34 # you could buy the `rights' to the proprietary toolchain for the ti dsp 10.35.38 # haha 10.35.48 # Anyway, it's crashing mid-loop in copy_read_sectors() on a group of 4 sectors which it had already read successfully many times. I am at an utter loss. 10.36.05 # Kalthare: the ata interface is part of the PP, so we have 2 mysteries to solve iiuc: (1) why does it hang _occasionally_ on the 30GB model with the 2K sector patch? (2) why does it hang completely on the 80GB model? 10.36.37 # amiconn: I've heard that on the 80GB it actually returns an error code.. 10.36.40 # amiconn: i wouldn't call the 80G situation a hang as such, since it gets through the read 10.36.45 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 10.36.54 # but status is set to STATUS_ERR 10.37.07 # i posted everything i learned (which isn't much) to rockbox-dev 10.37.18 # daurnimator: Yes, the problem is that the dsp part is closed. When the audio hardware is attached to the dsp part, data has to go through the dsp in order to play and record 10.38.12 # but isn't it then possible to let some kind of 'sniffer' run alongside the original FW and find out how it works? 10.38.22 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 10.38.36 # i was thinking of dumping the identify info the drive returns, perhaps the drive has some quirk or other that needs to be accounted for 10.39.54 # Larsie: Perhaps. But that won't help much, at least with the older incarnations of the ti chip 10.40.11 # i did try sticking usleeps in various places in the ATA code in case it was a timing problem, but no dice of course 10.40.39 # There is a reason why there is a dsp part - the arm core isn't powerful enough to do all decoding related tasks 10.42.26 # The thing is, it's quite a reliable hang. It always hangs after starting playback, reading the /.rockbox directory, called from update_short_entry() to write the new filesize while closing the .playlist.whatever file. 10.42.29 # lol i just tried putting that rockbox-2.5-install.exe on my zen but didnt work 10.44.14 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-232-64.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 10.46.44 # * amiconn wonders whether mtools is capable of creating a partition with 2K virtual sectors on an usb drive which is presented with native 512 byte sectors to the pc 10.47.00 # Then the 2K sector patch could be tested on any rockboxable dap 10.47.02 # amiconn: surely just getting the gui going first would be ok, there are ways to get audio output 10.47.37 # amiconn: Sure, it can do that. 10.48.02 # amiconn: You could most likely even access it from the normal fs driver. 10.48.35 # * amiconn has an extra 2.5" disk laying around that he could swap into his player or recorder without deleting anything from the 'normal' disk 10.48.42 # The version of the patch that's currently up has a nasty write bug, tho. 10.49.10 # Kalthare: Why do you think it would work this way round when the other situation doesn't work? 10.49.51 # Hmm, it would be even simpler to use the fat test code :) 10.50.02 # amiconn: Because the error Linux gave me when I tried it the other way around was that the virtual sector size wasn't a multiple of the physical sector size. 10.50.06 # neah 10.50.08 # scarface 10.50.09 # nba 10.50.10 # ffa 10.50.13 # tigheer woods 10.50.16 # just cause 10.50.28 # Which is why I figure iPod Linux probably already works. 10.51.01 # iPo linux uses the linux fat driver. Rockbox has its own, very lightweight fat driver 10.51.08 # Oh, damn. wrong window. Sorry guys. 10.51.12 # Well, exactly. 10.51.20 # We didn't have to deal with unusual sector sizes so far 10.52.04 # Did you have a look at firmware/test/fat/ ? 10.52.13 # No, I didn't. What's it do? 10.52.33 # This is old fat driver test code which runs as a plain commandline program 10.52.42 # Hm, cool. 10.52.45 # ...simulating the partition within a file 10.54.00 # Hmmmm... it still doesn't write the tag cache, either. 10.54.02 # It was again helpful ~1.5 years ago when debugging fat16 support 10.54.26 # I'll certainly look into it. Thank you. 10.55.39 # so, uh, could someone do or at least help me with a port? 10.56.11 # ehm 10.56.14 # which port? 10.56.23 # archos gmini 40 10.56.24 # 2 10.56.36 # the one with the camera? 10.56.47 # * Kalthare turns on dircache, on a lark. Watches it crash the same way again. Turns it off. 10.57.15 # uh 10.57.20 # why the 402? 10.57.24 # theres a camera, and a noncamera model 10.57.34 # gehe 10.57.41 # would be cool 10.57.42 # Larsie: cause i own it, and its a very awesome player 10.57.46 # :) 10.58.13 # I would like to help but I don't think I can 10.58.18 # the 2 problems i have with it: only 20gb hdd, no ogg playback 10.58.26 # rockbox can fix 1 10.58.30 # I'm unexperienced and I don't have the player 10.59.27 Join bluebrother [0] (i=bSMfqRRG@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 10.59.40 # the noncamera: http://www.archos.com/img/gaya_prod/fam_g402.jpg 10.59.44 # arg 10.59.49 # Well, I'll certainly do my best to get firmware/test/fat/ working. Bringing gdb in on this would make my life SO many times easier. 10.59.54 # http://www.archos.com/products/video/gmini_402_cam/index.html?country=global&lang=en 10.59.55 # arg 11.00.04 # thats the camera 11.00.14 # the non camera: http://www.archos.com/products/video/gmini_402/index.html?country=global&lang=en 11.00.18 # yeah I know them 11.00.41 # I have had one to play with in a shop a long time ago 11.00.57 # I didn't understand the menu 11.01.04 # ? 11.01.05 # but that doesn't matter 11.01.06 # :P 11.01.46 # but you can load 3rd party plugins on the gmini 402? 11.01.54 # pretty simple ... dpad to choose an option out of the nine - then dpad to choose the file to play 11.02.01 # hmm 11.02.22 # I think it was a faulty player, because we couldn't switch it off either 11.02.23 # :P 11.02.32 # hold off for 3 seconds 11.02.35 # we did 11.02.36 # :P 11.02.48 # tried that at least 5 times 11.02.50 # well, theres an exploit 11.03.14 # but rockbox would be nicer off-course 11.03.31 # i run medios through it 11.04.01 # though 11.04.07 # i bootloader would be nice 11.04.14 # but... i don't want to risk bricking 11.04.28 # is there a JTAG or ICE interface? 11.05.49 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.217.170) 11.06.09 # I can't find any pics of the inside 11.06.13 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 11.06.26 # so you'd at least have to open it 11.07.52 # i have 11.07.54 # many times 11.08.00 # :) 11.08.12 # what kind of cpu does it have? 11.08.20 # dm320 11.08.27 # but, cpu is ARM9 11.08.50 # dm320 is open? 11.08.57 # or not? 11.09.30 # cpu is open 11.09.33 # dsp is closed 11.09.41 # arg 11.09.42 # but, don't worry about the dsp side of things 11.09.47 # ow ok 11.09.53 # i have ways to get around it 11.10.17 # well start decompiling then :) 11.10.26 # decompiling 11.10.29 # ? 11.10.35 # reverse engineering 11.10.43 # what? and why 11.10.51 # to find out more things 11.10.57 # about lcd and stuff 11.12.03 # we already have access to detailks 11.12.17 # oh 11.12.20 # where? 11.12.24 # I can't find it 11.13.09 # BTW, any sansa e200 owners in here? 11.13.16 # yup yup! me! 11.13.22 # The new firmware update is brilijant 11.13.27 # -i 11.13.35 # EQ sounds so much better 11.13.57 # have you tried it? 11.14.41 # Larsie: do you want an example of a sort of hello world program? 11.15.11 # nope, not yet....only thing i did with it today was take it apart again, try to figure out the spacing of the jtag pads and then ordered my arm jtag wiggler 11.15.29 # daurnimator: so, you're saying you can already compile and display things 11.15.29 Quit scorche (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.15.33 # yes 11.15.56 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@208-110-158-224.customer.csolutions.net) 11.15.57 # well, then the rockboxport should be easy, shouldn't it? 11.16.02 # yeah 11.16.05 # :) 11.16.06 # thats what i'm saying 11.16.14 # but i don't have the time 11.16.21 # is there a page with specs about that? 11.16.43 # not really 11.16.49 # ... 11.17.08 # * Joely is confused... 11.17.56 # hello world type devkit: http://sfx.gligli.free.fr/gmini/402/402_1311_exploit_sourcecode_v2.zip 11.18.08 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 11.18.12 # nice 11.18.48 # Joely: I have no experience with JTAG, I'm reading myself about it at the moment :P 11.25.12 # so 11.25.21 # any1 willing to do an "easy", "quick" port? 11.26.03 # if i got one! 11.26.04 # haha 11.26.11 # hmm how much do they cost? 11.26.23 # bout $220 new 11.26.28 # Rockbox ports aren neither easy nor quick, even if much of the hardware is already known 11.26.29 # (if you shop around) 11.26.34 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 11.27.04 # amiconn: people have told me it would be those things - thats why they're in quotes ;) 11.28.30 # Joely: you can find them from $150 second hand 11.29.01 Quit Larsie ("Ik ga weg") 11.32.03 # can anyone make rockbox for creative zen vision m 11.32.12 # willing to pay alot 11.33.09 # anyon 11.33.18 # Injection: if mine gets ported, the zen m should be easier than now 11.34.21 # really 11.34.27 # so its possible 11.34.28 # ? 11.35.43 Join GFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-123-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.36.10 # well, its possible 11.36.11 # why doesn't the rockbox community just drop the whole reverse engineering thing....i dunno it seems like a waste of time to me now...wouldn't it be better spent developing a new player? one that's open design hardware and software on it? i know they started that opengraphics project where they're using an fpga to make graphics cards...why not start that for jukeboxes? 11.36.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.36.41 Quit GreyFoux (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11.36.45 # but, without lots of interest - by people with at least some programming ability, its not going to happen 11.37.14 # Joely: cause there are no open source players - the only way to do things is via reverse engineering 11.37.23 # so if urs get ported it will be easier 11.37.54 # Joely: note: neuros have a totally open player planned - i'm working on it with them 11.37.56 # Joely: some people are actually doing that....but the issue is, they will not be *near* as popular as anything that is commercially released...and it isnt like we do rockbox just for ourselves 11.38.00 # Joely: This idea was already being discussed several times. Check the ml archive 11.38.21 # ohh cool! 11.38.22 # ok 11.38.27 # and the new ports forum 11.38.56 # Joely: join #neuros if you wish 11.39.15 # There are far more arguments that speak against it than those which speak for it 11.40.14 # amiconn: btw, what do you think only boosting cpu in playback.c / pcmbuf.c and let scheduler do unboosting? That would greatly simplify the code 11.40.57 # Very bad idea imho 11.40.59 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 11.41.02 # hmm, why? 11.41.50 # it decreases code complexity instead of increasing it 11.42.17 # (1) The scheduler is for scheduling. (2) The cpu should be unboosted only if _all_ threads agree on that. 11.42.18 # and would make sure cpu doesn't remain boosted 11.42.35 # How would the scheduler know when to unboost? 11.42.46 # amiconn: of course, if cpu is boosted externally by cpu_boost, scheduler wouldn't touch that 11.42.53 # ? 11.43.03 # it would unboost only if cpu was boosted by trigger_cpu_boost() 11.43.12 # and when all threads are sleeping 11.43.47 # scheduler knows it best when no threads are running 11.43.53 # Some code needs the CPU boosted all the time even if all threads are sleeping 11.44.00 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 11.44.10 # then that code should call cpu_boost(true); .. cpu_boost(false); 11.44.19 # and it works 11.44.32 # ...and unboosting in the scheduler can lead to very frequent boosting/unboosting, which should be avoided at all cost 11.44.49 Quit gtkspert ("leaving") 11.45.03 # how is that possible if only audio thread uses that trigger_cpu_boost()? 11.45.09 # it will not unboost until buffer is full 11.45.45 # also any other code could use it if it needs boosting until job is done (no sleeping between) 11.46.12 # Hmm, still sounds rather strange to me 11.46.31 # * amiconn would prefer to get his buffer ram back :( 11.46.32 # i think it just makes things simple :) 11.46.52 # amiconn: i will do that soon, before anything else :) 11.48.54 # Hmm. I guess I would have to see the changes in order to judge them 11.49.28 # hehe, true. I will show a patch soon, it has mostly just removed code in it :) 11.49.42 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 11.49.51 # To make it more logical, the boost call should probably be part of the scheduler code as well (thread.c) 11.50.02 # * Kalthare ponders having his patch add his name to the credits. 11.50.12 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 11.50.34 # amiconn: yep, there would be only boost call in thread.c (trigger_cpu_boost() or whatever its name would be) 11.50.48 # and no calls to do unboosting because that would be handled automatically 11.51.19 # Hmm, there's still a situation where it wouldn't unboost even if it should 11.51.20 # so could anyone tell me if there working on putting creative vision m rockbox? 11.51.25 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB0D2FB.ipt.aol.com) 11.51.33 # amiconn: hmm, really? 11.52.10 # anyone konw? 11.52.10 # You say it would only uboost if all threads are sleeping. Now what happens if the thread that triggered the boost is sleeping, but only one other thread is not? 11.52.12 # Injection: stop asking here and search to find out 11.52.19 # kk 11.52.20 # sorry 11.52.42 # Injection: I don't think anybody is. Have you had a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort? 11.52.48 # amiconn: then cpu would remain boosted.. but in fact i think that could be even preferred 11.53.04 # there is a 5 page thread about it in the forum... 11.53.19 # because probably the one other thread is doing some job 11.53.36 # Not necessarly. The thread that isn't sleeping could just wait for some data transfer to finish 11.53.45 # scorche: how much of it is "i tink the rock box shud be on zen vizion lol"? 11.54.04 # sneakums: why dont you read it and find out 11.54.12 # amiconn: hmm, true. but could that happen normally often? 11.54.27 # If it needs to wait but has to react pretty quick when the process is finished, it would just call yield() instead of sleep() 11.54.32 # scorche: because i don't own or plan to own one 11.54.50 # then spend the rest of your life not knowing ;) 11.54.58 # i can live with that 11.55.16 # Slasheri: I don't know of many places atm, one place (not subject to the boosting problem) is the MMC serial DMA on Ondio 11.55.56 # Same thing will happen when we introduce ATA DMA on coldfire - and then it gets relevant 11.56.07 # ok, so probably swcodec targets wouldn't have the issue, at least while audio is playing 11.56.27 Quit fulhack ("Lämnar") 11.56.51 # While ATA DMA is running, the read function should yield, otherwise there wouldn't be an advantage in using DMA 11.56.52 # amiconn: but then it means that cpu could never be in sleeping state? 11.57.17 # and that would increase power consumption quite much 11.57.18 # Of course it can, just not during a DMA transfer 11.57.41 # ah.. but then cpu is always boosted anyway while doing buffering or reading from disk 11.59.03 # hmm, okay 11.59.41 # It _might_ be that we need to lock it boosted anyway during DMA, in order to keep reliable timing 12.00.26 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484B6E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.00.59 # Say, this is a stupid question, but would it be possible for an ATA request to error out because of a wrong sector size? 12.01.03 # Btw, ATA DMA will only be possible for word-aligned data. Misaligned data still needs transferring via the CPU 12.01.26 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 12.01.58 # * amiconn sighs 12.02.06 # so... 12.02.35 # any1 willing to do a port for me? - you'll get provided with all required info 12.03.43 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.06.30 # Eh, sorry for being a pest tonight. 12.07.36 # daurnimator: stop asking please...if you want someone to do a port, start a thread in the new ports forum with relevant information to start a discussion (or try to at least), but do not request a port be done on it in the thread or anywhere else really...for a port to happen, a dev has to have the device, and have the motivation to port rockbox 12.08.02 # Yes, and the time 12.09.28 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.10.28 # * amiconn remembers how long it took to get the Ondio MMC driver working 12.22.32 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@82.247.165.89) 12.23.41 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.26.18 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@85.64.207.9.dynamic.barak-online.net) 12.30.14 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 12.33.32 Quit Injection (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.33.55 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.35.42 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549655F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.38.17 # amiconn: Speaking of MMC, what do you think would take to support the new 8GB ones? 12.38.44 Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 12.39.09 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3031.gwdg.de) 12.39.18 # Oh, I didn't notice that MMCs >4GB are now available 12.39.24 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 12.39.25 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.40.03 # Well, I would need such a card, and some docs about the necessary protocol extension 12.40.34 # The MMC protocol up to plain MMC4.0 only supports up to 4GB (byte-wise addressing with 32 bit addresses) 12.41.11 # Hopefully the extended protocol is also available in SPI mode... 12.41.30 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dyn-62-56-72-136.dslaccess.co.uk) 12.42.14 # There will be one limitation for sure - an MMC >4GB won't be accessible via the USB bridge in the Ondio, so storing music on it will require a recent card reader 12.43.23 # howso? 12.44.14 # daurnimator: do you have access to the DAC with the DM320 or is that connected to the DSP? 12.44.21 Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) 12.44.22 # Well, we can't change the USB->MMC bridge, and the built-in bridge doesn't support those extensions for sure 12.44.27 # amiconn: http://www.mobiledia.com/news/49223.html 12.44.31 # its through the DSP 12.45.15 # I know it's too early, but I wanted your "technical" opinion on this... 12.45.23 # which you already gave me... thanks 12.45.28 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-020-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.47.21 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.47.36 Quit chendo_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.48.49 # Hmm, Samsung doesn't list these new cards on their website 12.49.14 # sandisk? 12.49.36 # No, samsung 12.50.38 # "Samsung's new high-density and high-performance MMCplus cards are expected to be available in the second half of this year." 12.50.41 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-76-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.50.49 # They will probably soon 12.52.29 # Hmm, Samsung seems to have useful data sheets :) 12.52.57 # If they will publish the datasheets for the 8GB cards as well, it shouldn't be too hard... 12.53.09 # * Genre9mp3 crosses fingers 12.56.39 # amiconn: Also, about the USB limitation, I can't find it _such_ a problem since I would barely use USB1.1 to transfer my music 12.56.52 # yes 12.57.38 # Rockbox would evn learn to protect the user from this problem... by not allowing USB mode and displaying a message instead when such a card is plugged in 12.58.22 # Do the 4GB ones work with USB? 12.59.09 # yes 12.59.24 # * amiconn has such a card :) 12.59.57 # * Genre9mp3 will soon have such a card :) 13.00.45 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) 13.09.00 # Does anyone have any experience with Samsung hard disks? I usually would go for a WD or a Seagate but I found a Samsung one (400GB) for 130 eur. and I'm tempted 13.09.26 Quit lodesi ("leaving") 13.09.46 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54874DE6.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.14.20 # i love samsung 13.14.30 # i've never had a problem with one 13.14.48 # its all i use in my working desktop 13.16.27 # All my drives are WD and never had a problem with any of them 13.16.50 # the only drive that failed badly on me was a samsung one ... some years ago. 13.17.04 # bluebrother: ouch 13.17.20 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 13.17.21 # i've had WD fail a couple of time 13.17.29 # and a couple of maxtors 13.18.05 # Well.. then you never know from where it will come from 13.18.15 # But I wouldn't go for a Maxtor.. that's sure 13.18.15 # I used IBM / Hitachi drives without any problems for years. 13.19.01 # i use to use fujitsu & hitachi, but i haven't seen any drives from them in years 13.19.40 # seagate drives have always been $20 or so more expenisve than others, so i rarely buy them 13.20.15 # in short, Genre9mp3, theres nothing wrong with samsung 13.20.48 # Well yes, I guess 13.20.57 # Actually I want one for backup reasons 13.21.21 # you must;ve have much to backup 13.21.22 # * Genre9mp3 thinks that he never had a failed HDD 13.21.30 # *must'NT 13.21.48 # So I kanda wait for one... :/ 13.21.51 # *kinda 13.21.57 # * amiconn is now pretty sure that rockbox will be able to support MMC4.1 :-) 13.22.09 # * amiconn wants such a card 13.22.14 # amiconn: \o/ 13.22.43 # 8GB for a device 4+ years old! Now that's news! 13.24.14 # Show off those crippled modern players! ;) (thinking of the H10-5GB) 13.24.38 # Or why not even Nano2G or the Sansa! :) 13.24.56 # even better than Sansa or the new Nano :) 13.25.08 # pixelma: :P 13.25.37 # sansa has a micro-SD too 13.25.45 # so they can go 10GB 13.26.13 # Bagder: Just wait for the 16GB MMCs to arrive ;) 13.26.15 # what size does micro SD goto? 13.26.26 # I believe 2GB is the biggest right now 13.26.32 # thought so 13.26.36 # micro-SD is a helluva small thing 13.26.42 # i know 13.26.44 # Bagder: I thought it was 1GB... but not sure 13.26.50 # i was going to look at mobiles one day 13.27.00 # tested a few out 13.27.06 # Bagder: If it wasn't, it'd be called "macro-SD"... 13.27.11 # haha 13.27.12 # and the sales chick kept dropping the micro sd cards 13.27.20 # and she couldn't find them 13.27.23 # (thick carpet) 13.27.38 # at my work place a guy bought us a new micro-SD for our product and said "hey, these things are SMALL these days"... 13.27.50 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) 13.28.01 # ... and then I showed him how he had the "SD-wrapper" still there, and extract the mini from inside of it 13.28.07 # lol 13.28.31 # i need to buy an SD 13.28.37 Join nls [0] (i=HydraIRC@nl104-202-216.student.uu.se) 13.28.37 # i'm not sure if i should get a micro 13.28.50 # damn! Google doesn't work here atm 13.28.52 # 2gb normal = $50 2gb micro = $65 13.29.03 # but, i might loose it or something :S 13.29.16 Join karim [0] (n=karim@ip-41.net-81-220-108.rev.numericable.fr) 13.29.30 Part _jhMikeS_ 13.29.32 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-233-214.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 13.29.57 # hey... not that MMC is considered to be big 13.30.09 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-233-214.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 13.31.07 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.31.54 Join voltagex [0] (i=voltagex@124-254-106-40-dsl.ispone.net.au) 13.36.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.36.37 # Hmm, this is even more helpful: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Memory/appnote/4gb_mmc_application_note_200606.pdf (and support for over 4GB is MMC4.2) 13.44.09 # "High density MultiMedia Cards supports capacity more than 2 G Bytes and limits capacity up to and including 32 GB in this notes" 13.44.15 # ...impressive 13.45.19 # Afaics the protocol allows for even more 13.45.53 # The 2GB limit isn't entirely correct, but it points out a detail that might be important 13.46.32 # So it's the 4.2 for > 4GB, right? 13.47.01 # 4GB cards do work in rockbox (as they are actually a little less than 4*2^30 bytes), but it might be that this isn't the case for cards from all manufacturers 13.47.50 # ..because some manufacturers might have chosen the new block addressing scheme for their 4GB cards 13.48.51 Join webguest84 [0] (i=414a01a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.49.14 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 13.52.35 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54874DE6.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.52.50 # Hi, I just got a Archos Recorder, I like the sound, std OS, but there is lots of background noiseevident, ironically the background noise is present only when the HDD isn't being accessed, is this background noise due to defetive caps ? 13.53.52 Quit barrywardell () 13.54.24 # where are the archos gurus ? 13.55.02 # amiconn, Linus, bagder, zagor, dragon.....hi there 13.56.23 # rum tee tum tee tum 13.56.43 # * webguest84 looks around the room for signs of life 13.57.01 # webguest84: Patience is a good thing to have 13.57.26 # yes, patience is a grace 13.57.41 # You're referring to the ticking background noise in the archos firmware? 13.57.54 # This is a bug rockbox cures 13.58.11 Quit blueworm ("Leaving") 13.58.13 # yes its like a ticking noise, quite loud infact 13.59.02 # ha, cant wait to install rockbox, not at my pcat the moment 13.59.10 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-2-41.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 13.59.19 # thanks amiconn 14.00.04 # Genre9mp3: patience is a grace, and grace was a little girl who wouldn't wash her face 14.00.30 # and the face is where patience is shown? 14.00.40 # heh 14.00.46 # thanks folks 14.00.48 Part webguest84 14.00.56 # so... she washed off her patience, which wiped herself off? 14.01.14 # lesson to be learnt: washing your face can kill you - SAY NO! 14.04.11 Quit SereR0kR () 14.05.40 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) 14.05.40 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.06.44 # ah...he left 14.06.59 # impatient guy... :P 14.07.46 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-232-64.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 14.08.06 # Bagder: Is MrH going to follow that screenshot with some information, or was he just teasing us? 14.10.24 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 14.10.26 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3101.gwdg.de) 14.13.01 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.14.35 Quit powr-toc (Remote closed the connection) 14.14.35 Quit SereR0kR (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.14.54 Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 14.16.01 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) 14.17.29 Join Febs [0] (n=shortcho@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 14.26.08 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A44DA7.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.26.48 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.35.11 Part pixelma 14.38.08 Join _FireFly [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4659C.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.39.38 Quit voltagex (Remote closed the connection) 14.44.58 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-2-41.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 14.46.04 Quit Kalthare ("Leaving.") 14.48.28 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930BB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.48.31 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.53.35 Quit blueworm ("Leaving") 14.57.10 Join petur [0] (n=petur@d54C0B2BC.access.telenet.be) 15.15.37 Quit idnar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.17.27 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.23.03 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@84.94.24.157.cable.012.net.il) 15.23.59 # everytime i update my X5 with the latest build the settings are lost, how do i keep them? (can't seem to find it in the twiki) 15.25.00 # Main menu > manage settings > save .cfg 15.26.17 # thanks :] 15.31.59 # nls, it doesn't load it by deafult tho :\ 15.33.11 # Kitt0s: settings get reset when somebody changes the settingsblock code (adds a setting,...) 15.33.35 # so it shouldn't reset them _every_ time 15.33.39 # the settings shouldn't be reset on every update. only when the version number of the configuration increases 15.36.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.48.14 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 15.49.25 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 15.55.53 # PaulJam - what is an easy way for a layperson to determine if the version number of the configuration has updated? I've always recomended erasing settings every update simply because I don't know how to determine when it is required and when it is not. Not to mention the fact that failure to wipe settings seems to be the answer to 50% of the odd problem questions on the forums. 15.58.13 # * dan_a hates the Sansa LCD 15.59.08 # you can look on the frontpage or on the "all commits since 2.5" page if the file settings.c was modified. (when you click on the versionnumber you see the changes that were done) and if the line that contains "#define CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION" was changed, you need to save your settings. 15.59.59 # the problem is probably that most patched version change settings but not the versionnumber 16.03.11 # I could do that, seems easy enough, but I still think recomending the clearing of settings is a much simpler suggestion to the masses. 16.04.15 # I never clear settings on update and never had odd problems (trust me, I update a lot) 16.04.58 # if the config block version number is changed as it should, there shouldn't be any problem 16.06.24 # which goes back, I guess, to your statement that the primary source of "odd" problems revolves around the (sometimes unmentioned) prevelent percentage of complaints about wacky problems from Unsupported Builds. 16.07.42 # So if the config block version has changed (as it should) does rockbox clear the settings for you? Or is it "smart" enough to determine what particular settings need dropped (in the case of a backwards upgrade)? 16.07.54 # it clears them all 16.08.26 # thanks for the education. 16.13.21 Join shrewd [0] (n=kocielow@ejc242.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 16.14.22 # hi i have a problem with installing rockbox no ipod via linux 16.14.49 # i hed installed bootloader 16.15.26 # and it's loooks good 16.15.35 # i had* 16.16.50 # how can i install rockbox.bin 16.17.52 # shrewd: Which step of the instructions did you get up to? 16.17.58 Quit GFoux ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") 16.17.59 # rockbox.bin don't run on my linux and coppyng it to root folder on ipod does not helps 16.18.12 # do you mean rockboot.bin? 16.18.14 # shrewd: you need to dd it to the first partition of your ipod 16.18.36 # no, rockbot.bin is ok 16.18.48 # it's runing 16.18.49 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3015.gwdg.de) 16.19.12 # the partition tab looks good 16.19.58 # bootloader too but i don't know how to install the os on ipod 16.20.01 # I don't know of rockbox.bin for the ipod unless I'm missing something totally obvious. 16.20.25 # You need to download a build .zip file (daily...cvs) and extract it to the root of your ipod. 16.20.34 # the firmware is called rockbox.ipod. 16.20.37 # shrewd: It sounds like you need to follow step 2 of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 16.20.44 # if the bootloader works, this is all you need to do. 16.20.51 Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.cm-upc.chello.se) 16.20.57 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.21.02 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3015.gwdg.de) 16.22.34 # * Soap is still confused where "rockbox.bin" would be in an ipod install. 16.23.14 # that'd be the bootloader, wouldn't it? 16.23.17 # i heve copyed rockbox.ipod to root of my ipod boot it does not help 16.23.31 # hcs, no the bootloader would be rockboot.bin. 16.24.06 # shrewd: What happens? Do you get any error message? 16.24.19 # shrewd - you mentioned that the bootloader install was "looking good". What happens when you boot your ipod? 16.24.26 # Soap: ok, I was thinking of bootloader.bin 16.24.41 # hcs, yea, that too ;) 16.25.00 # yes wait i wil try to write it to u 16.25.45 # rockbox error -2 16.25.59 # loading orginal os 16.26.37 # your rockbox.ipod file is 0 bytes 16.27.35 # hmm ... i have ipodlinux previously so i have 3 parition on my ipod 16.27.52 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=3f82c507@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 16.27.59 # shrewd: try extracting the zip again, to your FAT32 partition 16.28.31 # make sure the disc icon has stopped before you umount/eject 16.28.36 Join webguest06 [0] (i=c3ec4b1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d32b5ef4ee00564c) 16.28.45 # shrewd@Nasa:~/Desktop/a$ fdisk -l /dev/sdf 16.28.45 # Disk /dev/sdf: 60.0 GB, 60011642368 bytes 16.28.45 # 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7295 cylinders 16.28.45 DBUG Enqueued KICK shrewd 16.28.45 # Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes 16.28.45 # Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System 16.28.46 *** Alert Mode level 1 16.28.46 # /dev/sdf1 * 1 1 8001 0 Empty 16.28.48 # /dev/sdf2 * 6 7296 58564957+ b W95 FAT32 16.28.50 # /dev/sdf3 2 5 32130 83 Linux 16.28.52 # Partition table entries are not in disk order 16.29.38 # linuxstb_: Coprocessor on the iPod 5g has been confirmed working 16.31.25 Quit linuxstb_ (Client Quit) 16.31.30 Join linuxstb [0] (i=3f82c507@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 16.32.06 # obo :thx 16.32.09 # dan_a: Yes, I saw that in the logs. I'm on holiday at the moment though, and don't have my Photo with me to test. 16.32.30 # linuxstb: OK - have a nice rest, then! 16.32.39 # I also saw the Sansa LCD photo - who got it working? 16.33.18 # shrewd: working okay now? 16.33.47 # I think that's MrH's work... we've seen no code yet 16.34.05 # So he's bought himself a Sansa? 16.34.22 # Or borrowed one, yes 16.34.29 # hello people, I wonder why I can't browse the menus when putting my ipod in charge, I'm using rockbox, it reboots, why this? 16.34.50 # Hold MENU as you insert the cable. 16.35.12 # linuxstb: thx 16.35.32 # Where's this picture? 16.35.45 # http://www.contactor.se/~dast/IMG_6589.JPG 16.36.15 # Oooh pretty. 16.36.36 # I can make the screen white, but can't do anything with it... it's so frustrating! 16.36.49 Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m168.telcomplus.net) 16.37.27 # dan_a: Is the version of your patch that works on the 5g any different to the ones I was testing in the past? 16.37.32 # i just installed x5 rockbox 10/14 and now my settings are cleared :( 16.38.16 # linuxstb: Yes - I changed a couple of things in system.c to stop them doing anything when called from the COP. 16.38.16 # Quazgaa: Yes, that happens occasionally. You should save a copy of your settings to a .cfg file for such occasions. (In the Manage Settings menu) 16.38.47 *** Alert Mode OFF 16.39.02 # ok 16.39.11 # dan_a: Time for me to start work on audio in mpegplayer then... 16.39.33 # perhaps ive done so, me looks 16.40.02 # yay i did 16.40.02 # There's still a way to go before it can be committed - barrywardell tested it on his H10 with no luck 16.40.30 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-123-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.44.34 # I assume he changed the H10 bootloader in the same way as the ipods? 16.45.31 # I checked and the CVS version is correct, and he upgraded to that. 16.46.57 # I _think_ hcs has a Photo as well - hopefully he can test it. 16.47.47 # When I'm feeling brave I'll post on the forums for testers 16.48.25 # I suppose I can test it when on my mini1g 16.48.33 # hey.. I thought that Bagder made the LCD on Sansa work... am I wrong? 16.48.38 # aliask: Yes please! 16.48.55 # Genre9mp3: No, that was a picture that MrH sent him 16.48.57 # dan_a: Just the latest patch in the tracker? 16.49.25 # dan_a: Oh... I misunderstood then 16.49.27 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 16.49.38 Join carl [0] (n=carl@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177646023.dsl.bell.ca) 16.49.57 # aliask: You'll need to upgrade your bootloader to a recent CVS version too, but I've posted bootloader.bins for every iPod 16.50.08 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 16.50.08 # * Genre9mp3 makes the forbidden question: Who is mrH ? 16.50.38 # MrH is someone who (anonymously) does reverse engineering for us 16.51.35 # I see... and how did he get contact with the project? (sorry, but it seems i've missed some episodes) 16.51.57 # Genre9mp3: he's the guy who cracked the mi4 files 16.52.26 # he got in contact after reading my initial sandisk+rockbox page afair 16.53.39 # Bagder: ok... good to know... do we know if he wants to contribute to the project further? 16.54.25 # we're grateful for every piece we get from him, but like everyone else involved we can of course not know how much future work he'll do 16.54.35 # Bagder: Does he own a Sansa now? Or did he send you code to test? 16.54.58 # I don't know, I expect to get more info about it 16.55.12 # So he just gave you the photo? 16.55.12 # that's his pic, I've not seen any code for that yet 16.55.17 # yes 16.55.55 # I feel like I'm being teased by that photo 16.56.04 # dan_a: Is it possible to upgrade the bootloader without the original bootpartition.bin? 16.56.05 # I was about to say that 16.56.06 # How hard can it be? :) 16.56.31 Join strid [0] (n=fahrh@c-67-168-125-202.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 16.56.34 # hey guys 16.57.00 # aliask: It must be - I did it when I upgraded my 3g, but I can't remember *what* I did! 16.57.04 # aliask: Not really... You would need to write a program that did the opposite of ipod_fw. Do you have the apple_os.bin? 16.57.16 # dan_a: I have a photo, do you need me to test something? 16.57.16 # I accidentally updated my 5g video ipod (running rockbox)'s firmware and now I can't boot into rockbox, how can I undo the damage? 16.57.33 # strid: You have to reinstall the Rockbox bootloader. 16.57.36 # I did the original install on a school computer, so I don't have any of the old files. 16.57.56 # Factory reset time? 16.57.57 # linuxstb: does that require any of the backups from when I first installed rockbox? 16.58.17 # hcs: If you wouldn't mind testing FS#5755 - coprocessor support. It requires updating the bootloader though 16.58.25 # Thanks! 16.58.25 # No, they relate to the old firmware. You should do it again from the start. 16.58.38 # dan_a: can do, I'll let you know in 15 minutes or so 16.58.51 # just download the latest video ipod build and start from scratch? 16.58.51 # hcs: Thank you! 16.59.34 # strid: You don't need a new rockbox.zip - that should still be on your ipod. It's the bootloader-video.bin and the installation associated to that that needs repeating. 16.59.34 # aliask: I think I must have used the iPod updater to restore my firmware, and then reinstalled from scratch 16.59.54 # dan_a: should I build a bootloader with the last patch on that page or use one of the provided bootloaders? 17.00.19 # linuxstb - I assume strid upgraded to Apple firmware 1.2 (for sake of argument let's assume he did.) If I was to send him the patched bootloader I made with my 5thG ipod and Apple firmware 1.1 what would be the result? Would it not work, or would it in effect revert his firmware? 17.00.21 # linuxstb: ah, right 17.00.41 # hcs: One of the provided bootloaders. The updated bootloader has been in CVS for a while now 17.01.09 # dan_a: I'm sorry it has come to this, but I cannot proceed any further. I would have to download AND install iTunes 7 to reset my iPod. This I cannot tollerate. 17.01.26 # (Juuust kidding, I'm downloading it now) 17.01.40 # see 17.01.41 # itunes is a piece of shit 17.01.47 # I wish they didn't bundle itunes and quicktime.. 17.01.47 # i don't want an ipod cause of itunes 17.01.52 # aliask: hehehe! I was just telling you how that was no problem! 17.01.54 # dan_a: ok, so that I don't screw up, I am updating the bootloader and building in which patch? 17.02.29 # The worst thing is that Apple don't provide a separate ipod updater - it's now part of itunes 7. 17.03.07 # hcs: Step 1. Update the bootloader. Step 2. Install a normal rockbox build patched with kernel_on_cop_4.diff from FS#5755 17.04.05 # Holy crap speed record for my internet connection! From apple.com of all places... 17.06.20 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h95n8c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 17.09.23 # linuxstb: okay, it works fine now, thanks 17.10.07 # does rockbox now support .mp4 playback? 17.12.25 # dan_a: ok, running with the new bootloader and patched firmware, anything in particular I should be trying? 17.13.48 # hcs: If it plays music, it's probably working. To be sure, have a look at the "View OS Stacks" debug menu - that will tell you which core the threads are running on 17.15.13 # dan_a: playing an MP3 now, if I read this right everything but main and codec are on core 0 17.15.14 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.15.39 # Bad news, I cant turn on my ipod after updating. 17.15.56 # AND I have quicktime installed. 17.16.00 # dan_a: that is, there is a main on core0 and core1, of course 17.16.08 # hcs: Then it's working - the codec thread is on the COP 17.16.19 # aliask: Not at all? 17.16.32 # Well, no audible, or visible response. 17.16.41 # (where visible is limited to backlight) 17.16.48 # dan_a: ok, cool, I'll be running this on a train ride and let you know if there are any disasters 17.17.42 # hcs: Thank you - but it's looking good so far 17.18.22 # and I'll compile in my ridiculously cpu-intensive nsf player and see how that holds out 17.18.56 # thanks for all the cores 17.19.27 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 17.19.32 Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-057-058.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.19.54 # aliask: Eeek. I don't know what to do about that! 17.20.05 # strid: it has for some time, only it was a bit limited before. 17.20.53 # dan_a: When I finished the update, it said I needed to connect it to a power source, but the only one I have is the USB, which isn't doing anything. I'll take it over to my friend's house tomorrow (he has a powerbrick) and I'll see what happens. 17.21.24 # But this means I can't test the patch until then... sorry :( 17.22.07 # Sorry for making you do the update! 17.22.17 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3034.gwdg.de) 17.22.59 # dan_a: I've just tried your patch on my 5g, and I get a codec thread on the COP, but not a main thread. 17.23.01 # No big loss, I didn't pay for the player, and I have another DAP so even if it doesn't work out it's not a big deal. 17.24.30 # Anyway, I'm off for the night. 17.24.34 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 17.24.42 # linuxstb: Are you definitely running an updated bootloader? 17.24.49 Join ze [0] (i=ze@70.40.152.105) 17.25.06 # Yes, I just checked - it's one I compiled a couple of days ago. 17.25.58 # where should I place an .mp4 video file so that the original ipod firmware can detect and play it (since rockbox apparently can't)? 17.26.38 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.26.42 # I wonder if it's a timing issue - if init_threads() is called from the COP before the CPU it would probably fail 17.26.44 # strid: You have to transfer it via itunes (or equivalent) 17.27.42 # I haven't done that before :I 17.27.57 # dan_a: full cpu usage by the codec still slows down the ui, is this expected? 17.28.16 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 17.29.15 # I don't suppose itunes will convert a video to a compatible format on the fly? 17.29.49 # hcs: Not really, no. Unless priority scheduling is enabled by default now - in which case the UI might be being throttled to allow the codec more CPU time even though it's on a different processor. 17.30.00 Quit Quazgaa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.30.49 # dan_a: I think that may be the situation, a few weeks ago I first started noticing the gui getting jumpy instead of running smoothly and causing the audio to glitch 17.31.51 # the last two are a unit 17.33.00 # so, again, kudos, and I am off 17.33.27 # Thanks again for testing! 17.34.54 # bbl 17.34.55 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 17.36.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.39.25 # uh 17.39.43 # this is strange 17.40.37 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.41.27 # oh, there it goes, nevermind 17.41.36 Quit Febs () 17.43.53 Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-010-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.48.49 Quit rre7zbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.49.01 Join rre7zbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-010-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.51.33 # dan_a: priority scheduling isn't per-core yet? 17.52.18 # lostlogic: I've only briefly glanced at the code, but it looks like it should be. 17.52.46 # weird that the codec would impact it then -- I was thinking that the UI jumpiness was just the difference between boosted and not boosted. 17.53.10 # btw, the latest patch posted to the flyspray works on my 5g, although I didn't update the bootloader from the one you had sent me earlier yesterday 17.53.50 # I don't know why it should work on your 5g and not linuxstb's 17.53.53 Quit gtkspert ("leaving") 17.54.31 # dan_a: works on my 5g as well 17.55.51 # And the reasons that I can think of for codec performance hitting the UI are either that the codec thread isn't really running on the COP, that priority scheduling isn't working as it should across the cores, or that something other than the codec thread is choking the CPU 17.55.53 # linuxstb must have looked at it funny. 17.55.59 # Thanks obo 17.57.42 Quit qailer ("Leaving") 17.57.59 Quit carl ("leaving") 18.02.22 Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.04.07 Quit MadDog011 (Connection timed out) 18.05.48 # * lostlogic turns off priority scheduling 18.09.43 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=asa@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177646023.dsl.bell.ca) 18.10.09 # rockbox is ALIVE ! 18.10.15 # :D 18.10.29 # and kicking 18.10.39 # * petur kicks RogerBacon 18.10.58 # haha 18.11.03 # dan_a: with priority scheduling off, scrolling through lists can make the codec fall behind, so something is up. 18.11.13 # (ie it's somehow not running on the other core or something) 18.11.59 # was Rockbox dead some time? 18.12.11 # the server was 18.12.19 # oh. didn't notice that 18.13.29 Quit GreyFoux (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.15.48 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-123-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.16.46 # i hate the gigabeat s firmware 18.17.10 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-090-087.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.21.36 # ok, i won't get a gigabeat 18.23.14 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006100319]") 18.24.23 Quit Ed_ (Nick collision from services.) 18.24.25 Join Ed [0] (i=ed@palm.hoeg.nl) 18.27.16 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-36-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 18.29.51 # :D 18.30.26 # lostlogic: I'm just writing a debug screen to allow me to turn the coprocessor on and off, which will prove that the codec thread is running there. 18.32.04 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 18.32.25 # running the codec thread on core1 vs core2 on my 5g definitely changes something... the boost ratio goes _down_ but it's easie rto cause skips with it on the main core... (priority scheduling off) 18.32.44 Quit nave7693 ("Leaving.") 18.33.14 # how could the UI thread and the codec thread be competing if they are on different cores. wtf. 18.33.48 # boost ratio seemed to be the same for me, but I didn't have anything else that intensive turned on 18.34.56 # maybe it is about the same, I might have looked at too different of parts of the song. 18.37.44 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 18.38.05 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 18.40.49 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 18.42.22 Quit petur ("time for some nice beer :)") 18.44.16 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.217.170) 18.46.01 # woo, archos player is ugly 18.48.09 # which? 18.56.14 # Archos Jukebox 5000, 6000 and Studio models 18.56.21 # Archos Jukebox Recorder 6, 10, 15 and 20 18.56.29 # Archos Jukebox Recorder V2 18.56.31 # .... 18.56.49 # better question is which Rockbox supported player /isn't/ ugly. 18.57.06 # They may have lots of good points, but aesthetics ain't one of them. 18.57.12 # *rips 18.57.20 # :D 18.58.07 # Soap: I disagree 18.58.26 # I like both irivers and the Ondio, too 18.58.55 # the Ondio the one with the hemispherical hole in the side of a card slot? 18.59.19 # slot... yes...that one 19.00.15 # and it's comfortable when holding it with your right hand ;) 19.00.31 # and tiny of course 19.00.57 # anyway, I like the design of it.... 19.04.50 # Soap: Which mp3 player do you like aesthetically? 19.05.07 # not rockbox supported... 19.06.55 # the mrobe series is interesting. 19.07.03 # yes :D 19.07.11 # and the gigabeat s :D 19.08.38 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 19.13.46 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 19.14.15 Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m163.telcomplus.net) 19.14.55 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965512.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.16.45 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 19.24.09 Join leachbj [0] (n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj) 19.24.16 Quit Ribs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.25.28 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 19.29.24 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 19.29.49 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-232-64.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 19.32.59 Join Ribs3 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 19.36.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.39.45 Quit Quazgaa ("leaving") 19.39.59 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-247-169.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 19.40.15 Nick Ribs3 is now known as Ribs (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 19.40.23 Quit Ribs2 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.40.24 Quit _jhMikeS_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.45.00 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-171-119.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 19.45.06 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.45.40 # kinda late but for me aesthetically H100 is the way to go! 19.46.05 # best mp3 player design for me 19.46.16 # (if you exclude the little weird joystick) 19.46.53 # the joystick could be better, but just having a joystick is really good 19.47.02 Quit RogerBacon () 19.47.12 Quit PaulJam (".") 19.47.34 # archos gmini 40* for the win!!! 19.48.14 # ipods ftw :) 19.48.14 Join SereRokR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) 19.48.19 # its like using a game boy at times 19.48.28 # XavierGr: the clickwheel owns every joystick 19.48.30 Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 19.48.44 Quit SereR0kR (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.59.15 # XavierGr, I was going to ask how well was the joystick to play doom 19.59.26 Quit powr-toc (Remote closed the connection) 19.59.32 # you have a joystick but no color ! 19.59.42 # h300 rules ! 20.00.41 Join webguest79 [0] (i=561544e1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.00.48 Quit webguest79 (Client Quit) 20.04.04 # heh 20.04.20 # well I don't think the clickweel is better than the joystick 20.04.46 # and the joystick is fine on doom, but H100 has no color so it is kinda weird to play doom on H100 20.05.11 # navigating with the joystick though is way more easier for me than with the H300 button pad 20.12.15 # dan_a: any thoughts on the cause of the problems with the cpufreq patch? 20.12.31 # i've just noticed that system_reboot() also doen't work with it applied 20.12.40 # XavierGr, H300 pad sucks, you can't turn and go forward or back at the same time. 20.12.54 # XavierGr, that's just a 4 direction button 20.13.23 # anyway even for normal usage the button sucks 20.13.46 # I am wondering how the remote are. I think H300 have ajoystick on the remote 20.18.56 Quit SereRokR () 20.21.42 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea6af.e.strato-dslnet.de) 20.25.19 # barrywardell: (assuming you mean the coprocessor patch) I don't have any solid ideas at the moment, no. The only thing I can think is that maybe init_threads() is being called from the COP before it gets called from the main CPU, which would cause problems. 20.25.48 # sorry, yeah that's what i meant 20.26.24 # is there a way to block init_threads() until the CPU has called it? 20.28.19 # There should be... I guess some flag in IRAM (so it doesn't get cached) that the COP waits on and the CPU sets in init_threads. 20.29.27 # ok, maybe i'll try that 20.29.59 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 20.30.19 # to put a variable in IRAM, you just IDATA_ATTR? 20.30.34 # That's right 20.30.44 # any reason that would cause my backlight not to turn on in doom on a 5g? 20.30.51 # I have reinstalled the build 20.30.57 # but still nothing 20.31.41 # and I found a bug that causes the 5g to show a black screen and stopp playback after several minutes and you have to do a hard restart 20.32.46 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=asa@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177646023.dsl.bell.ca) 20.33.34 Quit RogerBacon (Client Quit) 20.35.34 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 20.38.35 # It's a novelty having crashed which don't lock the machine up! 20.39.26 # s/crashed/crashes 20.42.45 Quit Ribs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.49.57 # dan_a: should this work for blocking init_threads(): http://pastebin.ca/202744 20.50.06 # it doesn't seem to make any difference 20.52.42 # I think it ought to. So we need to work out where your COP is running off to. 20.53.05 # (And why it's refusing to set up its threads) 20.54.47 # it says the codec thread is running on the COP 20.55.02 # and the codec buffer even gets filled when I play a mp3 20.56.10 Join besonen_mobile [0] (n=besonen_@71-220-224-29.eugn.qwest.net) 20.56.36 # If it doesn't say that a main thread is running there, then something is wrong. And I think the codec buffer gets filled by the audio thread, and emptied (into the audio buffer) by the codec thread 20.56.58 # ah right, and the audio buffer isn't getting filled at all 20.58.30 # do I need to update the bootloader every time I make changes, or just once. I've been updating it every time. 21.00.31 # I don't think you needed to update it at all - the update was to make main() return into crt0-pp.S after loading Rockbox, which the iPod version didn't do (I added that to CVS in August,) but I think the H10's always has done 21.02.38 Part Joely 21.05.56 Join azn1art [0] (i=4430bb0e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.09.46 # barrywardell: I think it should be possible to write (or edit) an interrupt routine to keep track of where the coprocessor is. 21.10.52 # that would make life much easier 21.11.25 # Even if it's just presenting it in a debug menu 21.12.59 # i kinda need help 21.13.16 # i'm currently trying to figure out if cop_main even gets called 21.14.01 # i want to know how to create my own lng file 21.18.48 Quit azn1art ("CGI:IRC") 21.18.49 Join azn1art [0] (i=4430bb0e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.24.45 Nick Ribs2 is now known as Ribs (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 21.25.06 # dan_a: looks like cop_main() isn't getting run for some reason. I tried turning the backlight off at the start of it and it didn't do anything 21.27.54 # barrywardell: Very strange. I'll have another go at it tomorrow, and think about what it could be this evening. 21.28.43 # cool 21.29.02 # i'll think about it too. i might be missing something 21.33.23 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-149-50.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 21.36.21 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 21.36.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.40.39 Quit azn1art ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.49.38 # the fonts are separated from cvs release ? 21.50.57 # yes, as they don't get updated enough to justify frequent downloading. 21.51.07 # Is the wiki down for anyone else? 21.51.54 # isn't for me 21.52.35 # obo, does the failure to log first song played continue to be a problem with the Audioscrobbler/Last.FM log patch? If so what is the cause? 21.54.41 Join webguest43 [0] (i=864c0334@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.54.44 # From what I can tell it was fixed a few weeks ago, I think by some of pondlifes work. 21.55.08 # The problem was the changed_track_event from playback.c wasn't calling the scrobbler callback 21.55.32 # Since the old tagdb/runtimedb was pulled, there was no other code using that fuction, so any problem with it wasn't noticed 21.56.23 # For me the only issue is the first track when the device is powered on, and auto-resume is enabled 21.57.02 Quit MadDog011 ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 21.57.18 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 21.57.26 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-149-50.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 21.57.41 # that DGT themes is really nice, would it be cool as default themes for rockbox ? :p 21.57.43 Quit MadDog011 (Remote closed the connection) 21.58.09 # I know it is outside your control, obo, but do you know why it didn't get commited the other night? 21.59.10 # It needs testing on Archos... that's it AFAIK 22.06.01 Quit webguest43 ("CGI:IRC") 22.11.00 Join yipe [0] (n=yipely@12-207-158-232.client.mchsi.com) 22.20.49 Quit besonen_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.32.54 Quit midkay_ ("Leaving") 22.34.32 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.39.46 Quit Siku () 22.43.15 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 22.50.18 Quit barrywardell () 22.55.51 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 22.55.57 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.03.31 Quit Landus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.03.35 # hey guys 23.03.47 # i just dug up my old AJBR 15 23.03.59 # and updated it with a daily build 23.04.25 # is there anything i should do (clear settings, etc.) before i can start using it again? 23.06.09 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p549315E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.08.12 Part shrewd 23.12.23 Join Landus [0] (n=Landus@70-100-181-192.dsl1-erie.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) 23.12.54 Quit Criamos (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.14.00 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 23.15.02 # seems ok now.. except that rombox refuses to flash.. file too big to fit on chip :( 23.15.13 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 23.15.29 Part _jhMikeS_ 23.17.56 # lini: You need a new full-flash image, using bootbox instead of the original firmware as fallback. 23.18.17 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox 23.18.22 # thanks 23.18.26 # i'll look into that 23.18.57 # Then you can flash a daily or bleeding edge build 23.19.31 Join Rooker [0] (n=iburn-42@bas8-montrealak-1177637177.dsl.bell.ca) 23.21.04 # will try it after the batteries are charged 23.32.56 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 23.33.06 Join DanHibiki [0] (n=Miranda@c906bb10.virtua.com.br) 23.33.14 # ... and kickin'! 23.34.12 # ^someone add this in the topic 23.34.59 Part DanHibiki 23.35.35 Quit _FireFly ("Leaving") 23.35.44 Quit Rocker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.36.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.39.19 Quit Rooker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.41.03 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-147-181.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.51.14 Quit Kohlrabi ("Quit")