--- Log for 20.10.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 10 hours ago 00.00.03 # yw 00.00.10 # maybe this guy is updating the site or something.. 00.01.03 # 4g is ipod color\photo right? 00.01.37 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 00.02.39 Part LinusN 00.02.44 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 00.05.26 # Kitt0s ya 00.07.00 Quit random81 ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 00.08.32 # so is this 00.08.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 00.08.36 # only for 5g?:'\ 00.09.58 # Output is 1764 bytes larger than max (233456) 00.10.22 # heh, so i guess this means no more trying to optimize the build to fit the limit 00.10.33 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 00.10.45 Join Yono [0] (n=Yono@69-169-149-152.bflony.adelphia.net) 00.13.33 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.13.57 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.14.14 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 00.14.31 Join Sinbios [0] (i=Sinbios@dsl-10-136-65.b2b2c.ca) 00.16.05 # $ ../tools/configure 00.16.05 # bash: ../tools/configure: No such file or directory 00.16.08 # what is that?! 00.16.32 # make sure that you are in the correct folder 00.16.50 # i am 00.16.56 # made rockbox dir 00.17.00 # then put the source there 00.17.02 # then cd rockbox 00.17.10 # then ../tools/configure 00.17.18 # no - make a build dir first 00.17.19 # you need to make a build folder first 00.17.22 # then cd to the build dir 00.17.31 # inside the rockbox folder 00.17.52 # ho lol 00.17.52 # :D 00.18.29 # when do i add the patches? 00.18.36 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.19.00 # when? before you build 00.20.02 # after ../to...configure? 00.20.38 # before 00.20.43 # crap :\ 00.20.50 # it doesnt matter really 00.20.53 # ho ok 00.21.14 # after, before, doesn't matter. before you run "make" 00.21.40 Quit EspeonEefi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.20 Quit obo ("bye") 00.22.33 Quit besonen_mobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.43 Join yipe [0] (n=yipely@12-218-163-227.client.mchsi.com) 00.22.48 # hi rockboxers ت 00.23.22 Quit dpassen1 () 00.23.32 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.23.45 # lo 00.24.13 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 00.24.22 # I have been having SUCH a tough time with my ipod lately 00.24.30 # now the battery doesn't seem to be charging right 00.24.37 # I've had it like a month 00.24.50 # what does "charging right" mean to you? 00.25.31 # when I plug the ipod in, the battery should charge, if I leave it plugged in all night, it should be fully charged the next morning, giving it the power to play music for at least a couple hours 00.26.52 # my expectations of the battery and charging are not being met 00.27.01 # Rockbox doesn't implement the USB charging parameters fully meaning it will charge only very slowly when charging over USB when running rockbox. So for now you can either charge from a 12v wall adapter, or boot to the apple firmware or disk mode and charge over usb. 00.27.14 # ahhhhhhhh 00.27.28 # that makes a big difference 00.27.41 # At least until someone figures out how to reverse engineer the usb charge current for the (undocumented) chipset 00.27.53 # okay 00.28.14 # out of interest, what are your "expectations" for rockbox? ;-) 00.28.49 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 00.28.57 # I realise rockbox isn't perfect, but I wanted to bypass the annoying apple DRM, I didn't want to use ID3 tags, I wanted to play .ogg and .flac 00.29.30 # I can handle occasional freeze-ups, or crashes, that doesn't bother me 00.29.58 # but when my battery dies at night, and I plug it in, and the next morning the battery is STILL so dead it can't even boot the ipod, that's a problem 00.30.04 # but now I know about the USB thing 00.30.16 # ok. cos battery life (in particular on ipod) is currently not very long under rockbox (at least compared to apple os) 00.30.29 # I've noticed 00.30.37 # (but this can only get better as more work is carried out) 00.30.46 # and read about it in the FAQ 00.31.22 # is the rockbox.ipod the only file I need to change to update to the newest daily build? 00.31.52 # no....... 00.32.03 # you download the .zip file, and you unzip it (all of it) 00.32.08 # okay 00.32.19 # the zip file contains probably a couple hundred files.. 00.32.29 Join NsN [0] (i=NsN@wh391.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) 00.32.30 # will the themes and wps's I put on there stay, or will I have to reload them? 00.32.38 # they'll stay, don't worry 00.33.11 Quit ender` (" Lisp hackers have to be bound (to-do 'it) ...") 00.33.25 # the daily builds include rockbox.ipod (the main operating system) and the .rockbox folder which contains all the plugins (which must match the version of rockbox.ipod). 00.33.36 # okay 00.33.43 # and the codecs of course 00.34.16 # right. in my mind codecs are still plugins ;-) 00.34.30 # in a way yes ;) 00.36.02 Part Paul_the_Nerd 00.36.15 # anyone else think the key bindings for minesweeper on ipod are basically awful? wheel for up/down, select+down to select, up to quit ... ?? 00.37.06 # What would you suggest? 00.38.35 # left/right for left/right for starters. select to flag, long select to clear/mine, hold to quit 00.39.15 Join besonen_mobile [0] (n=besonen_@dsl-db.pacinfo.com) 00.39.25 # See, that sounds worse to me. 00.39.26 # or maybe just select to clear/mine, long select to flag, but clear/mine old happens when you release the button. 00.39.34 # Hm, why is that worse? 00.39.53 # Why not use the wheel? 00.40.02 # wheel for up/down seems completely unnatural to me (but then I play Jewels a lot, and wheel is left/right) 00.40.25 # when I said left/right for left/right I meant up/down for up/down of course .. left/right work fine currently 00.40.27 # Yea, wheel => left/right seems more appropriate. 00.41.22 # which leaves up/down for up/down. and left and right are then unused? also left and right work fine in jewels as left and right .. 00.41.40 # wheel for left/right with wrap seems easiest. also with some heuristics to make sure that you can only select active mine spots. 00.42.12 # left/right/down are for music playing ;) 00.42.19 # menu is quit. 00.42.50 # Not while playing any games I know of .. select+menu is often quit but menu on its own is pretty uncommon. 00.43.08 # especially for any games where up/down/left/right directional controls are natural! 00.43.24 # maybe it's just me. 00.43.40 # Well, I come from ipodlinux, and personally have never used rockbox. 00.43.53 # Really? You should try it sometime! 00.44.19 # Not very interested in the actual os, however the code interests me :) 00.44.27 # :-) 00.44.56 # I'd love to have spare time to get some secrets out of the apple os.. 00.46.26 # Yes, it does take a lot of spare time.. and patience... 00.47.02 # Ooh.. anyone happen to know if the fact that the ipod (5g) display looks kinda "interlacy" is just a feature of the ipod or if there is some hardware setting that we aren't using properly yet? 00.47.08 # (i've not used retailos) 00.47.18 # looking 'interlacy' in rockbox that is... 00.50.19 # courtc - actually does ipodlinux look that way? 00.50.46 Quit lodesi ("leaving") 00.50.56 # It's probably the fact that you aren't using the BCM. 00.51.22 # It's probably the same for ipodlinux, but I don't own an ipod video. 00.51.43 # We use the same lcd functions though. 00.53.23 # petur: I think I'm going to do what you suggested and release changes using master mode for recording as before. The issues are proving thorny and can be worked out separately. 00.53.24 # courtc - I don't really know - I sortof thought we were using the BCM but only in the sense that we're shipping the entire framebuffer to the BCM which is just driving the lcd. Maybe i'll try retailos and see how that happens to look. 00.57.17 # jhMikeS: I think it's the best way to go. Don't try to change too much in one go 00.57.38 # I'll try to test as much as I can 00.58.11 # petur: LinusN called me "chicken" for it! :p 00.58.36 # hmmmm... he rarely does that ;) 00.59.05 Join Viet8knight [0] (i=4430bb0e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.59.06 Quit Viet8knight (Client Quit) 00.59.10 # It's proving quite elusive...such a little bit of code too. No maybe I'm not really. 00.59.33 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip72-192-15-67.ri.ri.cox.net) 01.00.09 # petur: He did some work on it today and no definitive answers. 01.00.30 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.01.22 # * jhMikeS will see reason and chicken out temporarily. :) 01.02.33 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 01.03.02 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.04.26 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 01.05.12 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip72-192-15-67.ri.ri.cox.net) 01.08.18 Part NickDe ("Leaving") 01.13.03 Join l0de [0] (n=die@pool-71-249-123-205.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 01.13.28 # Hello sirs, I am looking to find out if any progress has been made on 5.5g 80gb ipods. 01.13.53 # then go check the thread ;) 01.14.45 # Which thread? 01.15.23 # the 5.5g thread in the forums 01.15.56 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 01.16.24 # now searching through the site to try and find that thread 01.17.03 # if you have read the posting guidelines and the stickies at the beginning of each thread. you wouldnt have to search 01.17.12 # when I plug in the ipod, what does this weird battery with a lightning bolt symbol mean? That it's charging the battery? That the battery is dead (it is)? What? 01.17.27 # charging 01.18.22 # scorche- my purpose for entering this channel was to rapidly communicate with another person and obtain information quickly, not to run some kind of forum-browsing gauntlet, totally defeating the usefulness of irc as a means of person-to-person chat. 01.18.44 Join linuxstb [0] (i=3f887556@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.19.01 # gauntlet? 01.19.16 # For instance on this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7027.0 you post that there is a thread with the information the user needs, but you do not link to it. 01.19.22 # like i said...if you had read the guidelines and stickies, it would take you 2 seconds to find the thread... 01.20.35 # i didnt because it was obvious that they had not read the guidelines/stickies and they should learn to find out for themselves so they wouldnt have to rely on me every time they needed something 01.21.22 Quit Yono ("Leaving") 01.21.29 # why won't my ipod stay connected for more than a couple seconds? 01.21.37 # it's driving me up the wall and I might stab someone... 01.22.07 # * jhMikeS will shoot anyone that tries to stab him 01.22.09 # yipe: Have you enabled disk mode in itunes? 01.22.10 # yipe: what is your problem? 01.22.34 # * petur wonders about the violence in the channel 01.22.47 # in disk mode, when I plug in my ipod, it mounts for..... 5, maybe 10 seconds, then disconnects, then re-connects.... then disconnects... 01.22.51 Quit stripwax_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.53 # * scorche pushes petur to the ground and runs off 01.23.14 # * jhMikeS squeezes one off into the air 01.23.28 # * petur still sits on his chair and wonders what scorche is writing about 01.23.39 # * preglow starts busting caps 01.23.56 # or, alternatively, it disconnects, and then goes to that battery with a lightning bolt mode 01.24.07 # Is anyone besides scorche familiar with the 5.5g thread and able to give me a link to it? I'm having difficulty locating it. 01.24.12 # * petur wonders about the smell the channel *looks at jhMikeS* 01.24.20 # * scorche wonders what there is to wonder about what i am writing about 01.24.23 # l0de: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.0 01.24.29 # the thing has been plugged in all day, something is wrong, terribly, terribly, wrong 01.24.29 # at least that should be it.. 01.24.35 # Thank you midkay. 01.24.41 # * jhMikeS *ahhhh* nothin' like that smell 01.24.45 # That's the one. 01.24.50 # latest progress seems to be pretty much no progress. 01.24.52 # I've only had this ipod for like a month 01.25.01 # yipe: Have you enabled disk mode in itunes? 01.25.11 # I use linux, there is no itunes 01.25.20 # ok bunches of things compiled good :) 01.25.54 # yipe: I've never had problems like that. Which ipod do you have? 01.25.55 # midkay- yeah, scanning over it now. 01.26.00 # 5G 01.26.04 # video, 30gb 01.26.38 # midkay- which one do you have, the 30 or the 80? 01.26.56 # yipe: Is your battery charged? Maybe your USB port isn't supplying power? 01.27.02 # i have a 5G 60gb. 01.27.09 # no, it's not charged 01.27.22 # That would explain the disconnects I guess. 01.27.23 # that's my main problem, WHY isn't it charging 01.27.54 # Are you connecting directly to your PC, or via a hub? 01.28.00 # directly 01.28.24 # You could try a different port, maybe they don't all provide power. 01.28.25 # Is it a laptop or a standard pc? 01.28.34 # desktop, x86 01.28.39 # running Ubuntu Linux 01.28.42 # How old is it? 01.28.50 # ehh, 3 years? 01.28.52 # maybe 4 01.29.14 # Hmm 01.29.16 # Thinking. 01.30.08 # I'm assuming you don't have another machine to test on? 01.31.45 # yipe: How have you been charging it in the past? 01.32.01 # the only way available to me, with the USB cable 01.32.22 # I hate that the new ipods just come with that cable. 01.32.36 # How much does the wall adaptor thing cost? 01.33.34 # no clue, but I know I can't afford it, I'm a TA 01.35.02 # Here's a tip on getting one for free, call around to hotels and ask if they have one in their lost and found 01.35.15 # I used to work at a hotel and we had about three dozen that no one ever came and got. 01.35.17 # lol 01.35.18 # that is stealing 01.35.22 # Same with phone chargers. 01.35.23 # I should try that 01.35.31 # * yipe is a religion student 01.35.40 # and I'm totally willing to try that :P 01.35.48 # Scorche- the items are never reclaimed. They are eventually hucked out. 01.35.59 # that doesnt matter 01.36.05 # it is claiming something that isnt yours to claim 01.36.07 # Because most people just buy a new one rather than going to the cost of having one shipped to them. 01.36.28 # hey, I'm a religion student, and I say it's okay 01.36.40 # Scorche, if we follow your logic, the item is never used, and eventually discarded. By my logic, someone uses the item, and is happier. 01.36.44 # Which one is morally right? 01.36.46 # taking what would be thrown out has a long and noble tradition behind it 01.36.56 # * petur wonders what religion that could be :p 01.37.01 # just ask the two-by-twos 01.37.03 # Judaism :D 01.37.16 # the point is, you dont know if it will be thrown out or not 01.37.19 # shalom l0de 01.37.24 # shalom indeed friend 01.37.33 Quit midkay (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.37.34 # if they are going to throw it out for sure, i dont have an issue with it 01.37.54 # if the hotel I worked at is any indicator, most hotels will have 5-10 of these things on hand at any given time 01.38.01 # Same for most brands of phone chargers 01.38.11 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.38.13 # that assumes the hotel doesn't throw them away immediately though. 01.38.21 # and it is a possibility that all of them will be claimed 01.39.18 # If an item is not claimed within 2 days, 95% of the time or more, it will not be reclaimed 01.39.32 # but there is stil a possiblility 01.39.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.39.50 # Which makes the likelyhood he is taking someone else's item very miniscule. 01.39.54 Quit netmasta10bt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.39.59 # i dont have an issue if you ask for one, but claiming it would be wrong ethically 01.40.16 Quit petur ("Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de") 01.40.28 # regardless, i am busy atm, and this isnt #ethics...do what you will ;) 01.41.29 # hmm 01.41.36 # my SPC plugin is almost done 01.41.55 # I don't think it will work on slower than 70mhz ARM players 01.42.11 # spc???? 01.42.13 # snes? 01.42.16 # yes 01.42.17 # * preglow hugs pagefault 01.42.25 # mmmmmmm 01.42.34 # it is very resource intensive 01.42.42 # no surprise there 01.42.51 # i've done my best to optimise it 01.43.07 # i'll help out :P 01.43.09 # you will probably have to turn off all EQ and effects 01.43.11 # btw, what core do you use? 01.43.16 # just to play without skipping 01.43.29 # openspc? 01.43.56 # PP5020 01.44.03 # i mean what lib 01.44.05 # oh 01.44.07 # libopenspc 01.44.14 # but updated to the latest sources 01.44.21 # well, we'll get it running 01.44.21 # so it is almost bit accurate 01.44.24 # to the real thing 01.44.29 # i've got a bunch of snes music i want to listen to 01.44.48 # I could have use another lib but it would not sound as good 01.44.55 # but it would have been faster 01.44.58 # I figured people wanted quality 01.45.03 # indeed they do 01.45.29 # some music will skip 01.45.37 # mainly FF6 music 01.45.43 # that I have tested so far 01.45.47 # it should be fine on a faster ipod though 01.45.50 # I only have an H10 01.45.55 # and only one core is active 01.45.58 # FF6 music? 01.45.59 # as long as ff6 music plays well, i'll be perfectly content 01.46.00 # why would that skip? 01.46.00 # heh 01.46.09 # (Granted I've just came into this conversation and missed the rest of it :) 01.46.09 # that and chrono trigger 01.46.11 # FF6 uses a lot of SPC crazyness 01.46.18 # Ah. My FF6 music works fine. 01.46.20 # but its ripped from a cd. 01.46.31 # it just takes more cpu to make it play 01.46.37 # what is SPC? 01.46.38 # it uses echo and gain effects 01.46.55 # SPC is the CPU on the chip 01.46.58 # pagefault: long until you'll post a patch? 01.46.59 Quit amigan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.47.09 # the SNES has a SPC/DSP unit for sound 01.47.11 # ahh 01.47.20 # preglow, maybe a week or so 01.47.24 # I want to add tag support 01.47.36 # cool, cool 01.47.46 # consider posting a preliminary patch for testing :> 01.47.49 # I love video game music 01.47.51 # I am not happy with what I have right now 01.48.12 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 01.48.14 # I really hacked it into the source 01.48.27 # nobuo uematsu and yoshinori mitsuda 01.48.30 # it has to be cleaned up a lot 01.48.46 # yipe: damn straight 01.48.58 # yasunori, btw :> 01.49.03 # I think I may steal some code from zsnes 01.49.11 # we have a sample caching code 01.49.22 # so once a sample is decoded it is saved and cached 01.49.25 # it speeds things up a lot 01.50.16 # right now every sample has to be processed when it plays 01.50.26 # I think my cable is broken or something :( 01.50.37 # my ipod just won't stay connected 01.50.56 # my brother has 5th gen ipod 01.51.00 # but he won't let me touch it 01.51.06 # he is afraid I will ruin it 01.51.24 # well.... mine worked perfectly until I installed rockbox on it.... 01.51.34 # and then everything went straight to hell 01.51.34 # pagefault: sounds like caching might eat a lot of ram 01.51.47 # preglow: but you don't need to buffer 30MB of mp3s when playing spc 01.51.54 # I am told there is IRAM on the ARM chip 01.52.01 # so I can put it there 01.52.18 # iram is the smallest of all the memory available 01.52.26 # it doesn't need much 01.52.27 # and I really really really wanted rockbox 01.52.32 # but it's just not working for me 01.52.35 # 20k max 01.52.36 # Mikachu: i don't think you can use mp3 buffer ram 01.52.37 # You have 48KB of IRAM on the ipods (and other swcodec targets). 01.52.47 # Mikachu: that would mean preprocessing an entire spc at load time 01.52.50 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 01.52.58 # preglow: what if you made it a plugin instead? 01.53.00 # unless everything can be blamed on this cable 01.53.07 # although i suppose that would be less useful 01.53.08 # Mikachu: why would we want to make a codec a plugin? 01.53.11 # SPC's are 64kb but 32kb is only actual samples 01.53.16 # the rest is program code and rom 01.53.17 # preglow: to use the mp3 buffer ram :) 01.53.37 # yipe: Rockbox uses the USB mode in the Apple firmware, so it's very unlikely your problem is related to Rockbox. 01.53.54 # it just has to be very fast memory wherever I put it 01.54.02 # pagefault: sounds like iram would be nice sample storage space, then 01.54.21 # aren't you already using the iram for the codec program code? 01.54.26 # or was that just a part? 01.54.35 # never mind me, i've been away for too long 01.54.36 # tomorrow I'm going to buy a new ipod USB cable.... 01.54.41 # no I am not using iram for program code 01.54.42 # my guess is using it for samples will be wiser 01.54.44 # yipe: don't you have a friend with one? 01.54.45 # I hope that solves my problems 01.54.48 # nope 01.54.57 # so 01.55.01 # at least none that live out here in Estelline 01.55.03 # like 01.55.13 # it's a challange but I think I can do it 01.55.32 # if I can get it running well on my poor H10 01.55.37 # then it should run fine on anything else 01.56.32 # If it's almost realtime without IRAM, then it should be fine once you start using it. 01.56.36 # I wish I had bought another brand mp3 player :( 01.56.46 # linuxstb: even on ipod? 01.56.52 # linuxstb, it is almost realtime right now 01.56.55 Quit psiborg ("leaving") 01.56.57 # I am just looking for further optimization 01.56.58 # but ipods are just so sexy, and they're expensive and everyone knows it.... 01.57.14 # it's like flashy jewelry but it plays music too 01.57.53 # hmm 01.58.04 # so my SPC plugin is almost done 01.58.10 # I will post something next week hopefully 01.58.19 # so I can get some feedback 01.59.09 # then I want to try to get the tuner working on my player 01.59.09 # heh 02.00.02 # preglow: Ah yes, maybe not that much on the ipod/h10, but a little. 02.02.45 # * yipe wants to listen to bbc radio 1's podcast and cannot :( 02.02.57 # curse you ipod! CURSE YOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!! 02.03.07 # yipe.verbosity--; 02.03.16 # I wish rockbox could play audible 02.03.25 # even though that has legal implications 02.03.29 # what about my verbosity? 02.03.44 # i decremented it by 1 02.03.50 # pagefault: Is any source available to play audible? 02.04.07 # linuxstb, not that I am aware of, but I think the format is documented 02.04.19 # * yipe /exec yipe -v 02.04.22 # then there's the drm 02.04.41 # yeah 02.04.51 # it sucks to not be able to listen to a book you legally purchased 02.04.56 # So does audible have a monopoly on audio books? 02.05.17 # that's some great incentive, if you steal it you can use it anywhere, if you buy it you can't 02.05.51 # pretty much they do if you want them at an affordable price 02.05.58 # cd's are expensive at amazon 02.06.06 # and lots of things you can only find there 02.06.21 # so can't you just recompress it? 02.06.38 # thats the current method 02.06.44 # you use the directshow filter to transcode 02.06.53 # but you lose the chapter markers 02.07.29 # or you burn to cdrw and rip it 02.07.36 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.07.49 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 02.08.27 # So as usual, DRM just makes things inconvenient for legitimate purchasers, rather than preventing people copying it... 02.08.39 # pretty much 02.08.56 # I had to take back a cd and I bitched at the people at the store because it wouldn't play in my pc 02.09.18 # it didn't say anywhere it can't be played in a pc 02.09.53 # they wouldn't give me a refund at first because they claimed I could have copied it 02.10.03 # and I was like "if I can't even read it in m pc how do I copy it?" 02.13.08 Join psiborg [0] (n=psiborg@flits103-221.flits.rug.nl) 02.20.36 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.22.20 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 02.23.36 Join Daemonic [0] (i=46a83b7d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.24.04 # Hi, just installed rockbox on my 30gb ipod video 02.24.12 # i cant figure out a few things... 02.24.16 # anyone help? 02.24.28 # Ask away 02.24.49 # okay i installed rockbox using an installer i found on ipodwizard forums 02.24.55 # it also installed iplinux 02.25.57 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.26.30 # Daemonic: So what's the question? 02.27.49 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.29.37 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.30.56 # sorry im at work and needed to help someone. 02.31.21 # question is, i cant change rockbox theme, or find ipl on the hard drive while in disc mode to transfer stuff into my home dir 02.32.41 Nick S0ap is now known as Soap (n=Soap@unaffiliated/s0ap) 02.33.06 # Hate to say this, but since you used an unofficial installer... you probably won't get any help here 02.33.18 # Unless someone here happens to have used the same one as you... 02.33.21 # well its easier then doing it via all the bin files... 02.33.49 # lol... true... but you'll probably have to ask over at ipodwizard 02.33.54 # that's like saying driving to your mailbox at the end of the drive is easier than walking. 02.33.58 # it's true, but missing the point. 02.34.48 # For ipl problems, you'll have to ask them, but for the themes issue, what is actually happening? 02.34.51 # the instructions, esp. for windows, are step-by-step. All you need to do is cut and paste, replacing N with the number you found out in the first step. 02.34.53 # ok well no one else here used the unofficial installer? 02.35.11 # I don't think the themes issue has anything to do with the installer. 02.35.23 # well in windows my ipod kept messing up cuz of some sysinfo file...so i tried here at work with un official isntaller and it worked. 02.35.48 # Can you link to the installer you used? I don't have an iPod, but maybe I could look at it a bit and help you out... 02.36.21 # Daemonic: AFAIK, the ipodwizard installer just installs the ipodlinux bootloader, not ipodlinux itself. It's just used to give you a boot menu to choose between Rockbox and the Apple firmware. 02.36.27 Join ace214 [0] (i=44d38b6e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.36.38 # Ok, I don't need to know about the installer to help you with the themes problem. What happens when you select a new theme? 02.38.18 Quit ace214 (Client Quit) 02.38.43 # it keeps using its little grey theme ...the default 02.39.02 # also the installed is the first link on google if u search rockbox installer 02.39.09 # on ipodwizard forums 02.39.35 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 02.39.38 Quit midgey34 () 02.40.10 # and it did install ipod linux cuz i booted into it and ran demos and stuff 02.41.02 # Try just changing the WPS. Go into general settings -> display -> browse wps files 02.41.26 # okay 02.42.28 # i clicked a new theme but after it "loads" it gores back to what it was 02.43.06 # I have a quick question... if I change the splashscreen that shows up to be full screen (the screen that shows up after debug info when booting), do I need to rebuild just the actual firmware, or also the bootloader? 02.44.06 # TrueJournals: Just the firmware 02.44.19 # ok, thanks 02.44.21 # Daemonic: Just change the WPS, not the theme. 02.46.12 # i did 02.46.28 # And the WPS stays the same? 02.47.05 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FOUR-FIFTY-SIX.MIT.EDU) 02.47.32 # yes 02.47.53 # Which WPS are you changing to? 02.48.58 # well there are 3...i think the one i changed to was like....began with a B 02.50.21 # Ok, for simplicity, try changing to iCatcher 02.52.35 # i tried and that stays the samre 02.52.39 # If that doesn't work, check that the files are all on the player. You should have both a file called iCatcher.wps, and a folder called iCatcher in /.rockbox/wps 02.55.41 Join tidav [0] (n=tidav@235.86-90-202.mana.pf) 02.56.33 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 03.02.52 Join midgey34 [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 03.14.10 Part TrueJournals 03.14.21 Quit pagefault (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.17.42 # I'm convinced that apple lawyers kidnapped Kalthare. He disappeared. :) 03.18.13 # maybe so... 03.18.19 # more likly aliens tho! 03.18.33 # I dunno... he -was- close to getting the 5.5's to work with rockbox ;) 03.22.16 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.26.31 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 03.27.49 Quit Daemonic ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.27.59 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.28.46 Part pixelma 03.31.42 Quit l0de () 03.34.03 Join netmasta10bt [0] (n=torment@pool-71-251-122-152.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 03.38.23 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.39.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.43.34 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 03.48.43 Part TrueJournals 03.50.23 Join Deef [0] (n=sdf@124-168-119-52.dyn.iinet.net.au) 03.50.34 # Hello 03.52.16 # I have a question about the iRiver h340 03.52.18 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.215.14) 03.52.37 # Thought some people here would have it 03.53.33 # just ask 03.53.36 # Well my question is, does the USBOTG only let you plug a camera in it and transfer? 03.53.52 # Or does it actually work as a file manager to any USB stick? 03.53.54 # thats pretty much teh definition of USB OTG I thought. 03.54.00 # hmm, not sure of that. 03.54.21 # Trying to decide between a h340 and an iPod 03.54.29 # j340 03.54.31 # no contest 03.54.33 # *h 03.54.39 # rockbox doen't support usb on the go. for that you have to boot the iriver firmware 03.54.41 # I wish I could find a place to buy an h340 that isnt ebay. 03.54.54 # Yeah, I'm okay with that Pauljam 03.55.02 Quit tidav (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.55.07 # Yeah... I missed the last h340 a store had last Friday! >_< 03.55.12 # Damn, that sucks 03.55.17 # I didnt know -any- stores had them anymore 03.55.27 # That was about the 7th I tried 03.55.35 # and you should check the misticriver forum to see if your camera/usb-stick is supported 03.55.41 # I tried everything on the list for iRiver Australia 03.55.45 Join tidav [0] (n=tidav@235.86-90-202.mana.pf) 03.56.09 # I'm pretty sure the camera is, its Fujifilm, seen it listed I think 03.56.29 # I more want to know if it can handle data on it, or just pull images out 03.58.03 # you can't directly play or view files from an external device. you need to copy them to the player first 04.00.13 # but the iriver firmware is a little restricted concerning copying via usbotg, for example you can't select multiple files to copy at once. 04.01.41 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 04.03.46 # ouch 04.04.32 Join jborn_ [0] (n=jborn@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) 04.04.37 # If there's 100 images on the camera, I don't have to tell it to copy each one do I? 04.04.49 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 04.04.57 # you can copy directorys 04.05.05 # ah 04.05.24 Nick jborn_ is now known as JoeBorn (n=jborn@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) 04.05.41 # but it afaik it doesn't copy sudirectorys 04.06.06 # hmm 04.06.34 # What do you think, h340 or iPod 5G? 04.08.10 # i'm not sure, but propably i would choose the h340 04.08.27 # *nods* 04.09.20 # Also been wondering about that camera to iPod device they've got 04.09.27 # It depends on what you want. The H340 is a much better player, but it's plain fat. 04.09.39 # Yeah, looks aren't a concern 04.09.59 # Mine wore a hole in my pants because the corner kept rubbing it. 04.10.07 # lol 04.10.08 # better in what way? 04.10.09 # So it isn't purely aesthetic. 04.10.27 # Line in, line out, usbotg 04.10.35 # records and has radio 04.10.39 # The double headphone thing is seriously cool. 04.10.40 # ipod has line in and line out 04.10.44 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.10.48 # Not readily accessible 04.10.55 # Double headphone thingy really exists? 04.11.00 # You can plug two sets in? 04.11.04 # Yes 04.11.06 # sweet 04.11.17 # On the H340, one from Line Out, and the other in the regular headphones slot. 04.11.24 # oh 04.11.30 # There's a regular slot as well 04.11.35 # Never knew that lol 04.11.56 # And I also hate the scrollwheel. 04.12.10 # (of iPods) 04.12.10 # I like that thing 04.12.20 # The copying device for the iPod dumps the raw image on the iPod, no optimizing 04.12.36 # And that's the way it should do it. 04.12.38 # So I'm wondering how that makes it perform when viewing 04.12.40 # yeah 04.13.04 # Exif thumbnails could be read. 04.13.04 # But since the iPod is speedy because it mutilates your images, I wonder how it handles full sized stuff 04.14.02 # why do you say that? 04.14.44 # The iPod views images without delay, but that's because iTunes transcodes for its small screen 04.14.47 # .. from what I've read 04.15.11 # You put photos on it via iTunes, which actually puts a dumbed down copy, not the original data 04.15.32 # Allowing it to view them fast like it does 04.15.36 # i don't think the ipod can show photos that weren't transferred via itunes (with apple fimware) 04.15.36 # It could just encode a thumnail into the EXIF data 04.16.16 # Apparently the camera to iPod device lets you view them 04.16.32 # (from Cnet or IGN) 04.17.08 # It said you need iTunes to take them OFF the iPod, at which point it copies new, dumbed down versions back to the iPod 04.17.32 # So I wonder how it copes viewing 2M images in the meantime 04.18.59 # If the h340's USBOTG isn't hugely more functional than the camera-to-pod device, I might swing towards the iPod 04.19.36 # Can you have both firmware's on the iRiver at once? ie, can you select which you want to boot into? 04.19.46 # Or does switching require a PC 04.20.05 # rockbox is dualboot on h300 04.20.07 Nick hcs is now known as zhcs (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 04.20.16 # cool 04.20.19 # (on ipod too) 04.20.23 # Goodo 04.21.24 # Is there such thing as a 60G iPod 5G? Or only 30G? 04.23.21 # 5gen ipos exist as 30 and 60 GB and the 5.5gen ipods have 80 and 30 GB afaik (but 5.5 gen ipods currently don't work with rockbox) 04.24.20 # yeah 04.24.25 # ok thanks 04.24.35 # Only 30G 5G on the site I think 04.24.47 # But a 60G would probably be easier to find than a h340 04.35.25 # deef: just tried my h340 then, worked with mem stick, but didnt work with Sony DSC-P32 cam 04.35.38 # Hmm 04.35.44 # Thanks for checking that 04.36.20 # i think it needs to support mass storage device thingo 04.36.26 # Does the Sony cam have a generic "I'm-a-USB-storage-device" mode? 04.36.34 # from memory i think i needed drivers to use on PC 04.36.44 # Ok 04.36.50 # plugged in a usb<->SD adapter card, that worked fine 04.37.17 # as in, you read from SD via the adapter? 04.38.10 # and one more question, does the h340 let you write to the USB device also, or just read? 04.38.49 # ya, its got a pretty basic browser 04.38.54 # ah 04.38.54 # like a two tabbed window 04.38.58 # you can copy/paste between em 04.39.02 # Ah 04.39.21 # So it IS a basic file manager for USB storage devices 04.39.36 # ya, pretty basic tho 04.39.50 # Good enough heh 04.39.54 # "copy", "Paste", "del", "info" 04.39.58 # is the only options 04.40.12 # I was just worried that it was more like "Take images from camera" and "Exit" 04.40.14 # info basically shows the name + "Write Date" (last modified i guess) 04.40.20 # ahh 04.40.48 # The camera I use works as a USB storage device 04.41.09 # I can put pics from windows on it as data and view them on the camera (which I think is nifty) 04.41.14 # id think it *should* work 04.41.30 # I'm happy with that shaky confidence 04.42.00 # heh 04.42.13 # but dunno what your chances of finding one would be 04.42.19 # Yeah >_< 04.42.33 # [09:55] Yeah... I missed the last h340 a store had last Friday! >_< 04.42.40 # ah snap 04.43.15 # ... If you're not in Australia you wouldn't know the old Goggo mobile TV ad 04.43.21 # But it was like that 04.57.02 # haha, Perth ;) 04.57.13 # lol 04.57.20 # Can I have your h340 04.57.30 # plz!11 04.57.42 # haha, dont think so, tis pretty leet ;) 04.57.56 # =[ 04.58.01 # Where did you get yours? 04.58.02 # only thing is that like aliask said, its fat ;P 04.58.07 # mm, JB's @ ozzi park 04.58.12 # How long ago? 04.58.22 # mmm, ~10 weeks i guess 04.58.26 # hmm 04.58.35 # I don't think I rang that particular store 04.58.52 # think theyve stopped stocking too 04.59.02 # yeah, everywhere has 04.59.25 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 04.59.40 # ah well, can always hope for ebay 05.00.22 # yeah... but I want a new one 05.00.27 # Didn't see any yesterday 05.00.30 Join linuxstb [0] (i=3f887556@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ab187c904ab34590) 05.00.32 # ah, good luck ;P 05.00.34 Quit NsN () 05.01.50 # You get much use out of that battery pack thing? 05.01.59 # haha, nah 05.02.08 # battery lasts agggeess 05.02.09 # Makes it unusably fat imo 05.02.11 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.02.12 # I plan to be travelling, and have charger and bunch of chargeables for my camera 05.02.18 # yee, pretty chunky 05.02.27 # ah 05.02.36 # Well that thing sounded cool to me 05.02.41 # But it'd be useful when travelling, you could recharge from batteries 05.03.06 # I'm like.. "I could go for days without food or showering and still have music and a file manager!" 05.03.11 # lool 05.03.34 # I might have a Nano as well 05.03.47 # So I have seriously wondered if I could charge the Nano off the h340 heh 05.04.10 # ..I could run the whole show from a car's cigarette lighter 05.04.14 # eheh 05.04.17 # You can, via the USBOTG I think. 05.04.21 # yeah 05.04.27 # That's pretty funny 05.04.29 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.04.45 # cig lighter to batt charger, batteries to h340, h340 to nano 05.05.15 # I want the Nano so I can use iLingo 05.05.30 # Bit of an expense but that software sounds a tad useful =| 05.05.46 # Know of any other options I could try? 05.05.59 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.07.19 # lol @ lingo 05.07.20 # cool 05.10.55 # How much did you pay when you bought yours btw? 05.14.00 # arrg, think around 500 w/ extended warranty 05.14.12 # Not bad 05.14.27 # Considering I haven't seen anything that low yet -_- 05.14.58 # heh 05.17.40 Join SmilinBob [0] (n=Bob@31.248.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 05.20.04 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.20.04 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.25.25 # 5.5g iLingo? 05.25.28 # err 05.25.29 # iLingo? 05.25.36 # Yeah 05.25.50 # The software with all the languages to talk to people 05.26.01 # weird 05.26.03 # what was $500? 05.26.09 # iRiver h340 05.26.14 # wow. 05.26.16 # USD? 05.26.21 # AU 05.26.26 # ahh ok 05.29.25 # didj.. still around? 05.29.55 # ya 05.30.38 # fuck 05.30.48 # Looking at this picture, the h340 seems to be packed with an: AC adapter, USB cable, case, battery pack, earphones, a dock... and like 4 other cables 05.30.48 # I barely even know you... 05.30.52 # At least buy me dinner first. 05.30.59 # http://public.nplummer.fastmail.fm/iriver1.JPG 05.31.09 # Did it really come with a dock? 05.31.12 # yee :) 05.31.13 # And all that other junk? 05.31.17 # I miss my iriver :( 05.31.18 # man 05.31.26 # that bottom left thingy is inline remote 05.31.33 # Ah yeah 05.31.34 # top ish cable is 3.5<->3.5 for line-in 05.31.36 # + external mic 05.31.40 # ah 05.31.41 # oh 05.31.45 # the top left == usb host adapter thingo 05.31.50 # They supply a mic o_O 05.31.57 # and its got internal mic 05.31.57 # ;p 05.32.06 # usb host adapter thingo?? 05.32.32 # like, at the bottom for "usb host" its got a mini socket, that just allows you to plug normal usb shit into it (ie, usb mem sticks) 05.36.02 Join DanJC [0] (n=sdf@203-59-138-2.perm.iinet.net.au) 05.38.54 # What's that grey USB thingo cable again? 05.38.59 # What's it actually do.. 05.39.10 # *waits for Deef to time out* 05.39.16 # heh 05.39.26 # like, on the bottom of the iriver, its got 2 mini usb connectors 05.39.32 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 05.39.32 # 1 for device (ie, plugging into pc) 05.39.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.39.39 # the other is for host (memory sticks etc) 05.39.49 # ohh 05.39.54 # but its mini, so its just an adapter, mini to normal socket 05.40.01 # right right 05.40.13 # Forgot about mini usb 05.40.21 # ok 05.40.36 # Now, what is the actual point of having a dock? 05.40.40 # Wtf does a dock do 05.40.41 # n the dock just had mini usb + power socket at the back/bottom 05.40.52 # (you use the same cable + AC adapter) 05.41.17 # Can you not charge with the AC adapter without the dock? 05.41.21 # yea 05.41.27 # its just a convenience thing 05.41.31 # heh 05.41.50 # .. 05.41.58 # What's the convenient bit... 05.42.12 # If you can still just charge it and connect it without the dock 05.42.15 # you can just throw it into the dock and it charges + connects to usb 05.42.24 # some people leave the dock all plugged up 05.42.28 # yea, that ;P 05.42.29 # and just toss in their iriver when they get home 05.42.30 # ohh 05.42.42 # Right, ok, fair enough I guess 05.42.59 # No use for me travelling though 05.44.13 # ya 05.44.19 # it *can* charge from usb 05.44.23 # but its *much* quicker from AC 05.44.35 # Confused with your answer before... 05.44.47 # Can it charge via AC without the dock 05.44.48 # ? 05.44.51 # yes 05.44.58 # ok 05.45.11 # I'll be backpacking 05.45.31 # So the dock will take up unnecessary space 05.45.37 # pretty much 05.45.50 # Man so much stuff they pack in 05.46.55 # yee, deluxed ;P 05.51.59 Quit Deef (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.06.26 Nick DanJC is now known as Deef (n=sdf@203-59-138-2.perm.iinet.net.au) 06.23.46 Quit midgey34 () 06.27.55 Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m164.telcomplus.net) 06.29.21 # hi everyone 06.29.34 # hello 06.29.45 # i'm new to linux, can anyone tell me how to "add path to the cross-compiler"? 06.30.11 # i've just used /tools/rockboxdev.sh 06.30.24 # I can't 06.30.37 # but when i try to compile, it says that it can't find "arm-elf-gcc" 06.30.39 # mmmm 06.30.47 # tidav: if you know where it is you append to $PATH 06.31.25 # could you tell me what is the command line 06.31.31 # for cygwin atleast, its /opt/m68k/bin n /opt/arm/bin 06.31.38 # to append it to $PATH? 06.32.03 # if your using bash, "export PATH=/path/to/ccs:$PATH" 06.32.05 # should do it 06.32.58 # * Quazgaa exposes his genitals to didj 06.33.31 # i'll try to find where it is then 06.33.33 # be trueful, am i your first? 06.33.46 # thanks didj 06.34.29 # tidav: you could try 'find / -name arm-elf-gcc' 06.34.35 # assuming it is installed :p 06.36.14 # i guess i've just found it :D 06.36.18 # /usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc 06.36.21 # hehe 06.37.03 # cool 06.37.09 # * Quazgaa exposes didj's genitals to tidav 06.37.13 # so just add '/usr/local/arm-elf/bin' to PATH 06.37.25 # * didj turkey slaps Quazgaa 06.37.41 # whoa dude, you go there, i dont 06.37.58 # keep your turkin slappin for your friend here 06.38.13 # haha 06.39.10 # oh, still got that error message! "arm-elf-gcc:Command not found" 06.39.18 # but i've typed both 06.39.33 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.39.38 # export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/:$PATH 06.39.40 # and 06.39.47 # export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc:$PATH 06.39.54 # did i do something wrong? 06.40.00 # mm you dont need the 2nd one 06.40.12 # but the first one should of worked, what does 'echo $PATH' give you 06.40.36 # /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games 06.40.47 # im guessing your not using bash 06.40.47 # ;p 06.40.54 # ah! 06.41.04 # ooops... 06.41.45 # actually i typed all these commands in "gnome terminal" 06.42.20 # as long as its all in the same (instance) terminal it should be fine 06.42.38 # does the 'setenv' command spew crap at you ? 06.43.02 # bash: setenv: command not found 06.43.12 # i get this when i try 'setenv' 06.43.14 # mm, not sure export PATH wouldnt work then 06.43.47 # noobs 06.44.01 # neither one of you could find your ass from your face if you had to 06.44.17 Quit desowin ("use linux") 06.44.20 # Quazgaa: feel free to help us out :p 06.44.26 # heh 06.45.04 # do you know how to fix it Quazgaa? 06.46.14 # so you set PATH and you say it doesnt take/ 06.47.12 # i typed didj command 'find / -name arm-elf-gcc' 06.47.25 # it returns me '/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc' 06.47.29 # then i typed 06.47.41 # export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/:$PATH 06.47.46 # this is all in the same window yea? 06.47.53 # yes 06.48.04 # mm 06.48.23 # i type one then immediately the second command 06.48.49 # n 'echo $PATH' doesnt show the arm-elf dir in it ? 06.49.39 # oh i tried again 06.49.45 # it's fine 06.49.47 # :D 06.50.04 # *shrug* 06.50.04 # weird 06.50.15 # i guess Quazgaa is still googling :p 06.50.18 # yeah... 06.50.26 # but at least it works 06.50.27 # hehe 06.50.50 # thanks! 06.51.00 # ;] 06.52.36 Quit ScoTTie_ () 06.54.37 Quit [H5N1] ("changing servers") 06.55.01 # gtg 06.55.11 # see ya didj and Quazgaa 06.55.18 # and thanks a lot for your help 06.55.47 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 06.55.58 Quit tidav ("Ex-Chat") 06.59.44 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 07.03.14 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa17.3.tellas.gr) 07.09.35 Part jhMikeS 07.16.26 # is there a better way to transfer songs to my ipod? 07.16.35 # other than copy/paste 07.17.18 # and not using itunes... 07.18.00 # rsync :D 07.18.05 # if you're on linux 07.19.21 # windowz 07.19.27 # =( 07.20.10 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 07.20.35 # hmm :G 07.21.16 # what is this elusive "windowz" i keep hearing about. it almost reminds me of windowS.. but i know that couldn't be the case - after all, we're all such great spellers in here! :DDDD 07.22.00 # :d 07.22.24 # heh 07.22.30 # i donno why i added the z 07.22.38 # :shrug: 07.23.34 # oh, so it's just "window"? that's new to me. :E 07.23.43 # =P 07.23.50 # * SmilinBob shakes fist 07.23.53 Quit scorche ("Leaving") 07.24.39 # don't you dare or i'll hacksor you! 07.24.53 # midkay: yah! his ip is 127.0.0.1! 07.25.38 # zomg i hack0r u. 07.26.48 # no... 07.27.02 # it's 192.168.1.4 07.27.04 # =P 07.27.22 # gimmeh 07.27.27 # :p 07.32.45 Join mordov|wo [0] (n=mordov@mail.furuno.no) 07.38.53 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@c-24-127-11-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 07.39.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.40.41 # lame... 07.43.23 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACAD6D47.ipt.aol.com) 07.54.12 Join Mikaelh [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 07.54.44 Quit Mikachu (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.54.52 Nick Mikaelh is now known as Mikachu (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 07.59.20 Nick daurn|afk is now known as daurn (n=nnnquae@124.243.137.107) 08.00.34 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 08.03.29 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.08.14 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 08.12.01 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa17.3.tellas.gr) 08.24.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host159-145.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 08.25.44 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc1-rdng11-0-0-cust472.winn.cable.ntl.com) 08.25.48 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.26.44 # so... 08.26.46 # what's up 08.26.47 # ? 08.26.56 # the sky, mostly 08.27.00 # =P 08.27.04 # Do you have a h340 that you're looking to sell or give away? 08.27.12 # h340? 08.27.19 # yeah 08.27.24 # iRiver h340 08.27.29 # oh nope 08.27.34 # i have an ipod video 08.27.40 # a pox 08.44.50 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 08.44.55 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 08.47.38 # hmm 08.49.18 Join edx_ [0] (i=edx@edx.chu.cam.ac.uk) 08.49.51 Quit edx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.53.17 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.57.51 # is there a way to connect my ipod to my computer without using itunes? 08.58.11 # Rockbox lets you do that doesn't it? 08.58.25 # couldn't get it 08.58.28 # to work 08.58.42 # everytime i plug in my ipod itunes popsup 08.59.00 # you connect your ipod to your computer with a cable...not itunes ;) 08.59.19 # there should be an option in itunes that should take care of that 08.59.55 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.59.56 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.00.09 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 09.04.19 # hmm 09.04.30 Quit Deef () 09.04.37 # there we go 09.08.03 # now if only there was an easier way to transfer my songs 09.08.48 # what could be easier than drag and drop? 09.09.33 # or any of the ways to sync 09.10.14 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 09.10.34 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 09.17.39 # well drag and drop is good 09.17.58 # but i wish it was a little less manual 09.18.17 # there's a million programs to chose from that can do it in other ways 09.18.27 # i can't find any 09.18.34 # wow 09.18.36 # well none that work too well 09.18.41 # as i said..."or any of the ways to sync" 09.18.51 # they all want to transfer to the ipod standard folders 09.18.51 # MediaMonkey 09.19.00 # rsync 09.19.33 # i believe windows even has one built in with briefcase (not sure...never used it) 09.19.41 # that, and i can't figure out where winamp stores the ML playlists 09.19.49 # hmm... 09.19.59 # ML? 09.20.09 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.20.37 # media library 09.21.31 # well, there is an export playlist option 09.21.55 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.27.36 # yeah 09.32.09 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 09.39.13 # http://www.podscope.com/search.php?&s=d&q=linux&assetID=208771 09.39.19 # 25:40 09.39.22 # about Rockbox 09.39.39 # (podcast) 09.39.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.42.53 # Bagder: a very linux-centered site; you can choose between WMP and Quicktime to play the podcast :) 09.43.11 # I downloaded the mp3 ;-) 09.43.15 # Me too 09.43.23 # they claim it is available in vorbis 09.43.23 # Well, I'm streaming it 09.43.41 # probably from there main site, which that URL isn't 09.43.45 # their 09.44.08 Quit psiborg ("Ex-Chat") 09.44.16 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 09.44.46 # Bagder: Ah, I missed the 'link' button to get to the file directly :) 09.45.32 # Bagder: http://media.libsyn.com/media/dsyates/lottalinuxlinks_22.ogg 09.48.16 # amarocK? 09.48.18 # its amarok 09.48.25 # isn't it? 09.50.23 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.51.16 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-4-122.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.55.23 # fark that guy has an annoying voice 09.55.47 # rocksbox! wtf? 09.58.45 # tag cash! 09.58.56 # * JdGordon shoots Bagder for linking that :D 09.58.58 # * JdGordon gone 09.59.00 # hehe 09.59.16 # he did mention Rockbox, I didn't say it was particularly good 10.01.30 # http://home.jspenguin.org:81/rocken/ 10.01.36 # looks nice 10.02.50 Join _singer [0] (i=singer@cpe-67-11-203-35.satx.res.rr.com) 10.04.04 Quit excitatory (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.04.12 # <_singer> how do i switch back to the apple interface from rockbox 10.04.21 # <_singer> i read the manual but i think i mightve missed it 10.05.40 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.06.15 Quit SmilinBob ("Leaving") 10.11.54 Join myzar [0] (n=derelict@cpe-72-129-81-32.socal.res.rr.com) 10.12.13 # :o 10.13.03 Join Teknomancer [0] (n=Teknoman@125.22.148.39) 10.13.23 Quit _singer ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 10.19.17 # Quick question about the RB source structure... 10.19.54 # To fix a minor bug in the sim, I need access to iso_decode from the sim's io.c. 10.20.08 # But this currently needs a horrible include: #include "../include/rbunicode.h" 10.20.45 # Should I be updating something else to include that include directory? Or should I not be attempting to do this at all? 10.22.24 # well, i think dirty hacks are more or less allowed in the sims 10.22.53 # thats racist 10.22.59 # i mean, dirty ;) 10.23.06 # Would you mind if I commit that then? 10.23.38 # Basically, the utf8 conversion is assumed to have happened in the io layer. It doesn't with the sim though. 10.26.08 # as long as it works in both win32 and linux 10.26.29 # Hmm, can you (or anyone) test a linux build for me? 10.26.59 # If not, I'll put an #ifdef in ;-p 10.27.19 # Patch is at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=12600 10.27.36 # (yes, I know it's on a bug report, but it won't be there for long) 10.28.11 # what is this for? 10.28.12 # unicode? 10.28.42 # readdir (under Cygwin at least) doesn't encode non-ASCII chars as UTF-8 10.28.50 # oh\ 10.28.52 # nah, cant help ya 10.28.57 # but if you fix the 5.5gs 10.29.04 # ill compensate you with a night of rough sex and booze 10.29.04 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 10.29.49 # pondlife: my laptop runs linux, but i know nothing about the sims 10.30.43 Quit sawo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.30.45 # Or does anyone have documentation stating whether linux readdir should return UTF-8 or not? 10.31.28 # i would think it to at least have the capability 10.32.44 Join excitatory [0] (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-34-56.wi.res.rr.com) 10.33.48 # funnily docs doesn't seem to mention that 10.33.53 # Nope. 10.34.10 # Googel can't be certain either - might it depend on kernel version? 10.34.26 # and very likely depending on file system I'd guess 10.34.49 # bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder 10.34.52 # mushroom mushroom 10.34.55 # HAY BAGDER~ 10.34.56 Kick (#Rockbox myzar :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder 10.35.01 Join myzar [0] (n=derelict@cpe-72-129-81-32.socal.res.rr.com) 10.35.03 # =[ 10.35.07 # stop that crap 10.35.13 # yessir. 10.35.24 Join sawo [0] (i=sawo@root.war3z.org) 10.35.28 # snake? 10.36.36 # no thanks, I already ate 10.36.41 # :) 10.37.06 # looks like readdir returns and encoding of some kind which must be processed, and depending on the filesystem and kernel (most likely the locale in general) may be unicode data, so it looks like it will work with utf-8 10.37.09 # oh my god 10.37.22 # i could be wrong though, my C knowledge is minimal 10.37.27 # i'm at this friend of my mom's place, fixing their lousy computer 10.37.37 # running a backup - their mailbox alone is already 3.5 GB 10.37.43 # damn, my proxy won't let me load http://home.jspenguin.org:81/rocken/ :-( 10.37.44 # ah, a snake 10.37.48 # ohhhhhhhh, its a snake 10.37.55 # full of stupid .wmv-mass-mails 10.38.01 # * pondlife parties like it's 2003 10.38.19 # that's nothing, i'm listening to styx ;) 10.39.00 # The joke would have been funnier if it had been muhsroom muhsroom etc. 10.39.29 # * petur likes the FAQ section of rocken 10.39.45 # Q: Why? A: Because I can. 10.40.14 # LinusN: http://rocken.mikachu.ath.cx/ 10.40.16 # but no license info 10.43.18 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE2AD.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.43.39 Join SmilinBob [0] (n=Bob@31.248.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 10.45.27 # what are the chances of getting some kind of JME or JRE VM into rockbox? >.> 10.46.49 # 0 10.46.57 # D: 10.47.01 # +1/inf 10.47.55 # daurn: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4030458859.html 10.48.57 # Nimdae: it'd take a whole lot of dedication 10.50.06 Join baobab68 [0] (i=7cf39b5e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.50.12 # JME is actually suppose to be opened, not sure how that will affect /k/ 10.50.16 # or mika 10.50.19 # or whatever it's called 10.50.49 # well, I think none of us core Rockboxers are java people so we don't know that stuff 10.50.50 # hi all 10.51.02 # Hmm, are the #ifndef _MSC_VER bits now obselete since we don't support the Win32 sim any more? 10.51.06 # hi baobab68 10.51.12 # pondlife: yes 10.51.16 # Good! 10.51.36 # i'm a java person, but lack the proper knowledge to do an implementation :( 10.52.28 # question re: the battery indicator on H300 series, if anyone has a second..? 10.52.40 # i'll look into it though, it'd be fun to make java apps for rockbox 10.54.13 # * amiconn would rather like to stay away from java as far as possible 10.54.14 # i've been reading irc logs to see if this has been under discussion - currently the battery indicator seems to only get updated on each reboot, rather than being live? 10.54.21 # Even farther than MSVC++ or .net 10.54.35 # baobab68: no it's live 10.54.57 # it just decreases very slowly ;) 10.55.00 # amiconn: why? java5 is rather nice ;) 10.55.37 # well, we don't even have malloc 10.55.46 # imagine what java would require 10.56.13 # i'll admit i'm using a non-standard build (norbu's) but out of interest i ran a battery benchmark and the log file just kept recording 85% for six hours until the battery died... 10.56.23 # * petur wonders what's wrong with MSVC - starting with version 7 the compiler is actually quite good 10.58.46 # java is slow, resource hungry, and it's oo 10.59.18 # i find it to be quite fast, actually 10.59.37 # @ petur: so the CVS battery indicator is ok then? i might go back to CVS and save the headache 10.59.48 # Nimdae: I doubt you ever use it on this slow processors 11.00.00 # true 11.00.05 # So far I've seen no graphical java app that comes even near the speed of a native app 11.00.11 # i dunno how fast the processor is on my phone 11.00.15 # another thing is the lax memory management, garbage collection isnt good on memory constrained devices ;p 11.00.18 # That's on recent PC hardware 11.00.24 # phones are usually several hundred mhz ARMs 11.00.50 # My mobile phone runs java midp 1.0 11.01.04 # Starting opera mini takes half a minute or so 11.01.14 # haha 11.01.44 # amiconn: actually, i won't argue about the graphical processing since java implements it's own graphical system on top of the existing graphical system of the os, and java2 is extremely slow at that 11.02.07 # but eh, i just thought it was a decent idea ;) 11.02.48 # petur: Nothing is wrong with MSVC, it's the '++' that makes me stay away 11.04.02 # doesn't look like it would be possible anyway because no one has jme or embedded java sources available 11.07.12 # Nimdae: you can email the /k/ guys about it http://www.k-embedded-java.com/news.html 11.10.09 # eh, i don't think i could make very good use of it though 11.10.37 # anyway, after 4 am, sleep time 11.11.11 Part baobab68 11.11.26 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-44-157.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.15.29 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-44-2.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.25.46 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 11.27.02 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.30.58 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.33.49 Part LinusN 11.39.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.56.50 Join deesh [0] (i=468f3f3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 11.59.43 # Could anyone help me with some rockbox questions? 12.00.51 # just ask 12.00.53 # deesh ask and we can try 12.01.38 # amiconn: i don't see why the fact that something is oo makes it bad 12.01.43 Join nls [0] (i=HydraIRC@nl104-202-216.student.uu.se) 12.01.49 # even c programmers use oo extensively for programming these days 12.01.51 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 12.01.52 # and with good reason 12.02.23 # I have Loader2 installed, and when I select "Rockbox" from the list of Apple OS or Rockbox, it takes me to the Main Menu instead of File Browsing.. How do I get to the File Browsing menu from there? :O 12.05.07 Join bluebrother [0] (i=810dba02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 12.05.08 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 12.08.04 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54934561.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.08.34 # deesh: Rockbox always boots into the filetree unless you've changed settings to have it resume music playback on boot. What do you see that makes you think it's the main menu? 12.09.04 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 12.09.07 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.09.11 Quit petur ("lunch") 12.09.53 # I have "Recent Bookmarks, General Settings, Manage Settings" etc, in a list 12.10.34 # deesh, are you using an official build of rockbox? 12.11.01 # The latest daily build 12.12.54 # Try just tapping the Menu button, I suppose. Or left. But that really shouldn't be happening. 12.14.57 # When I tap the Menu button, I get a Unknown Artist, Unknown Album, 1 - No File! screen.. it looks kind of like the apple Now Playing screen 12.15.31 # You're sure you're running a daily build downloaded from the rockbox.org daily builds page? 12.16.17 # It is the latest daily build, but it was installed with the rockbox installer from ipodwizard.net 12.16.42 # I'm going to recommend clearing your settings during boot, and if this doesn't resolve the problem, trying Rockbox with the official bootloader and seeing if they stick around. 12.16.55 Quit bluebrother ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 12.18.20 # What's the easiest way to uninstall Loader2? 12.18.52 # The easiest way is probably not what you want. That's just using the Apple/iTunes restore function. 12.19.32 # Which will wipe the HD, right? 12.19.36 # Yes 12.19.50 # Ew. 12.20.10 # I would say "use ipodpatcher to write back bootpartition.bin" but since I have no idea what the install tool you used backs up or anything, I would recommend searching its instructions for how to have it safely remove it. 12.20.23 Part Teknomancer 12.23.00 # But as I said you should try clearing your settings first. 12.25.48 # Could I use TagCache to show files loaded via iTunes to get a filetree menu? As of now, the only music on my iPod has been imported with iTunes. 12.28.01 # Firstly, that wouldn't be a filetree at all. 12.28.15 # Secondly, TagCache exists as a replacement view for the filetree view, so you still have to be able to get to it. 12.29.44 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 12.29.44 # Could I copy the rockbox default bootloader over Loader2, or would that cause conflict? 12.29.45 Join ton [0] (n=ton_rulz@cor8-ppp4224.for.dsl.connect.net.au) 12.30.00 # hi is anyone making a port for creative zen vision m 12.30.37 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host163-127.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 12.31.55 # deesh: You need to uninstall loader2 first. 12.32.10 # ton: Haven't you been in here asking that several times lately? 12.33.20 # deesh: Have you tried clearing your settings yet though? You can try that before you try the more difficult process... 12.33.35 # How do I go about clearing these settings? 12.34.27 # deesh: Make sure the hold switch is on while Rockbox is booting. So, select it from the list, and immediately after choosing it, turn on the hold switch until Rockbox boots and says "Cleared" 12.36.05 # Done. Reboot? 12.36.17 # It said cleared? 12.36.22 # Yes 12.36.28 # And it still booted into the menu? 12.37.06 # It booted into, " Calenders -Contacts - Notes - Photos - rockbox" 12.37.12 # That's the filetree. 12.37.21 # Calenders, Contacts, etc, are all folders on a default iPod 12.37.33 # rockbox is the rockbox.ipod file you copied over. 12.37.45 # The .rockbox folder is hidden because you're not in "view all" mode by default. 12.38.02 # Ah :o 12.38.20 Quit SmilinBob (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.38.49 # So now that I have the filetree, what's the easiest way to get iTunes-imported songs into the rockbox menu? 12.39.49 # TagCache. 12.42.15 # But I could also create a Music folder in the same directory as Calenders, Contacts, etc, drag-and-drop folders and such into it.. and it would be displayed in the filetree as different folders. 12.42.34 # Yes. 12.42.39 # But you asked about iTunes-imported songs. 12.43.12 # paul 12.43.20 # iTunes hides the music on your iPod, and names the files strange things, so by far the easiest way to use those songs is by way of TagCache. 12.43.26 # can i pay u to put zvm rockbox 12.43.39 # ton: No, you cannot. 12.43.45 # Could I SharePod MP3's from my iPod to PC, then put them in that directory? 12.43.49 # ton: Why not spend some time learning and do it yourself. 12.44.02 # where would i start 12.44.22 # deesh: Sure, but why do that? If you want them in filetree mode, don't use iTunes to sync, and just copy the music files over wherever you want. 12.44.26 # ton: zen vision M? 12.44.39 # yeh 12.45.07 # then you'd benefit from investigating archopen and the current neuros development 12.45.12 # for dm320 stuff 12.45.24 # ok... 12.46.21 # there was also once someone who wanted to port rockbox to the mrobe player 12.46.25 # dm320 based too 12.46.43 # but for some reason, there's still no one really determined to port to a dm320 device 12.47.27 # k 12.47.37 # Well.. TagCache looks.. interesting. 12.47.51 # si do u recon rockbox will be make this year? 12.48.11 # Is everything I need to do this included in the rockbox install? 12.48.16 # ton: uh? 12.48.21 # "no one" means 0 persons 12.48.25 # 0 persons make little code 12.48.31 # deesh: Yes. 12.48.39 # deesh: I suggest reading the manual. 12.48.51 # That's what I'm going over. 12.49.05 # deesh: Ah, and it doesn't tell you that you need any other tools, does it? ;) 12.49.15 # would you recon creative zen vision m rockbox be made this year? 12.49.17 Quit Seed (Remote closed the connection) 12.49.33 # ton: I'm 100% sure it won't 12.49.34 # ton: He said that nobody is working on it. If nobody is working on it, how can it be made? 12.49.36 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85.64.207.9.dynamic.barak-online.net) 12.49.43 # Apparently not, but it also doesn't specify where the "TagCahce 12.49.46 # and this year is soon ending 12.49.57 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 12.49.59 # er, "TagCache menu" is 12.50.18 # deesh: Try searching for "Tag Cache" instead of "TagCache". 12.50.43 # deesh: But I'm quite certain there's a full listing of the menus in there, which would reveal where it is. It may just be a layout issue. 12.52.04 # k thanks for ur help 12.52.05 # cua 12.52.16 Quit ton () 12.52.20 # Yeah, the menu layout and such is a little difficult to get used to.. I guess I'm just going to have to jump in. Not really much I could break, I guess. :) 12.52.49 # deesh: Well, now that you know how to clear settings, it doesn't really matter if you do manage to come up with some clever way to screw up your settings, it's always clearable. :) 12.53.11 # Hehe, good to know. Thanks a lot for your help. 12.53.30 # That was really strange behaviour. 12.56.07 # Score! Music via Rockbox.. Step 1 successful. 12.56.12 Join SmilinBob [0] (n=Bob@31.248.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 12.56.44 # sup? 12.57.10 # Also, lack of an EQ of some sort was one of the reasons I wasn't sure whether to get an iPod or a similiar device. It's nice to know I have the option now. 12.57.59 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 12.58.51 # anyone know if there is a way to add a shout cut on my desktop that will "safely remove" my ipod? 13.01.20 # That sounds like something that's more windows related than Rockbox related. A lot of people here don't even run windows. 13.01.55 # yeah good point 13.02.09 # But, why not just use the safely remove hardware button in the taskbar? 13.02.24 # cause it always winds up getting hidden 13.02.35 # and more or less i am lazy 13.02.36 # ^_^ 13.02.43 # Ah, you have one of those overloaded taskbars with all kinds of crud? 13.02.45 # hahaha using XP are you? poor soul 13.02.53 # yeah 13.03.10 # W2K doesn't do that :) 13.03.23 # * Paul_the_Nerd is using XP: MCE 2003. 13.03.27 # i was gonna build a linux box 13.03.37 # but the harddrive in this computer crashed 13.03.41 # * Paul_the_Nerd is still not wholly sure why a laptop would come preinstalled with MCE. 13.03.49 # so i had to use the one i was gonna put in the linuxbox 13.04.09 # that is odd 13.04.18 # Paul_the_Nerd: because they have 16:9 displays? 13.04.20 # i've never used MCE 13.04.40 # just doesn't appeal to me at all 13.05.02 # There's an option to disable this hiding of the icons in the taskbar if you want 13.05.10 # Okay, I give. Where is the Tag Cache menu? O.O 13.05.14 # * petur absorbs his weekly BOFH dosis 13.05.18 # petur: Possibly. But as far as I'm aware, MCE doesn't actually offer anything special to the host computer, does it? It's more useful for making that computer a media-bitch to various networked devices? 13.05.29 # deesh: I honestly can't remember, not a feature I use. :( 13.06.53 Quit Seed (Remote closed the connection) 13.07.20 # Does it basically find all the protected/hidden/whatever files and make them visible in the filetree? I don't understand why Rockbox can't just see them already. 13.08.09 # deesh: Rockbox can see them, but iTunes gives them gibberish filenames. 13.08.30 # deesh: What it does is finds all the files on your system, and organizes them in a menu like the iPod software does, showing them sorted by Artist, Album, etc. 13.08.53 # Reading all their tags and creating a database of them takes a little time, so Rockbox doesn't do this by default 13.09.17 # I see. 13.09.24 # NOTICE: Big server upgrade now. apache will be down a few minutes, cgiirc clients will get disconnected. 13.09.50 # hleh! 13.09.52 # * Bagder leans back 13.09.55 # bleh! even 13.09.57 # So using Tag Cache would allow Rockbox to list all of the files I can see with my Apple OS menu's and stuff, right? 13.10.05 # Not necessarily 13.10.09 # aaaahhhhh don't cut me o*&$%&#$%@& 13.10.09 # Rockbox cannot play protected files 13.10.18 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@85.64.207.9.dynamic.barak-online.net) 13.10.35 # Such as those downloaded from iTunes, leaving imported CD's and MP3's fair-game? 13.10.41 # oh, i also check on the site and couldn't find an answer... 13.10.50 # does rockbox play videos? 13.10.52 # or does iTunes protect those when they're imported? 13.11.02 # deesh: No, imported ones should be unprotected still 13.11.11 # just purchased ones 13.11.13 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.11.13 Quit deesh ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.11.14 # SmilinBob: There is limited video playback functionality, no audio yet. 13.11.21 # oh ok 13.11.38 # no biggie, i never watch videos anyway 13.15.21 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 13.16.23 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496519D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.17.56 Part Paul_the_Nerd 13.21.20 # I remember how my X5's shuffle always managed to *shuffle* to some video :D 13.21.45 # so I was listening to music and suddenly got some advertisement/animation they put on there 13.22.20 Quit Seed (Remote closed the connection) 13.23.00 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@85.64.207.9.dynamic.barak-online.net) 13.31.41 # * Genre9mp3 listens to the lottal linux radio show 13.32.00 # hm 13.32.03 # rockbox.org dead? 13.32.06 # I wonder why he calls it "roxbox"... 13.32.27 # Kitt0s: [14:09] NOTICE: Big server upgrade now. apache will be down a few minutes, cgiirc clients will get disconnected. 13.32.38 # nice :] 13.39.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.40.34 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A749.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.40.37 # hmmm... the batery life etimation hasn't yet updated for the H300? 13.43.23 Join psiborg [0] (n=psiborg@flits103-221.flits.rug.nl) 13.43.32 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.215.14) 13.46.16 # web site back up 13.46.36 # new apache version required some config changes 13.52.37 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3103.gwdg.de) 13.56.36 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 13.58.02 # Zagor: do you plan to add the side menu to the tracker page? 13.58.31 # I don't know. should we? 13.58.42 # I think so 13.59.06 # I'll try it and see. but first I have to fix the wiki. 13.59.12 # ok 14.00.09 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 14.02.12 # markun: Why limit the space of the tracker? 14.02.46 # why limit it to the wiki and forum? 14.03.07 # I wonder the same thing for the forum 14.03.17 # I liked it better without the side menu 14.03.46 # I like it better with menu 14.03.47 # I think it's important to have it throughout the site. 14.04.05 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.06.22 # I like it more without the menu than you like it with the menu (run out of arguments) :P 14.06.31 # :) 14.09.23 # Genre9mp3: would a horizontal menu on the top of the page be better? 14.09.52 # hmm... I don't think so... as I imagine it, it would be ugly 14.11.32 # except maybe if it was only for the tracker, but this would ruin the consistency of the site 14.11.37 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 14.16.28 Quit psiborg ("Ex-Chat") 14.17.33 # * amiconn wonders why the side menu doesn't use frames 14.18.13 # frames are bad! 14.18.25 # * Paul_the_Nerd gathers the torches and pitchforks. 14.18.36 # I prefer frames over having the same code load over and over 14.18.49 # They are certainly more efficient than other methods. 14.18.56 # They also have the advantage that the menu stays visible when scrolling down a long page 14.18.59 # Both for coding time and loading. 14.19.09 # aliask: yes, very efficient at eliminating bookmarks, urls etc 14.19.17 # Zagor: huh? 14.19.33 # amiconn: you can only link to the top frame 14.20.19 # * aliask forgot about that 14.21.10 # Zagor: You can always link to a sub-page, with some support on either side 14.21.36 # you can have the menu "follow" along without frames 14.22.17 # Bagder: Yes, but then the menu code is included with every page -> longer loading time 14.22.34 # yes, but working web pages 14.22.41 # frames are broken by design 14.22.41 # And without special css measures, the menu becomes inaccessible when scrolling down 14.23.17 # * amiconn disagress 14.23.47 # well, luckily most people agree with me these days ;-) 14.23.47 Join linuxstb [0] (i=3f887556@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.23.52 # on that point 14.23.59 # oh yes 14.24.17 # * linuxstb is firmly anti-frames as well. 14.25.03 # amiconn: the menu is 2700 bytes, and is the gzipped before transfer. exactly how many milliseconds do you think you gain by not transfering it? 14.25.52 # actually it's 2472 bytes 14.26.12 # It's only gzipped if the client supports it. Then there are still modem & isdn users 14.26.31 # amiconn: name a popular browser that doesn't support compression? 14.27.46 # http://www.karlcore.com/articles/article.php?id=2 14.27.46 # And the other point still holds (menu vanishing when scrolling down 14.28.14 # We could always just make the menu a floater. 14.28.17 # amiconn: you are living in 1995 :-) 14.28.23 # No I don't 14.28.41 # definitely, floater menus are the way to go 14.29.09 # and frames were bad even in 1995 14.30.02 # btw, I was surprised to set that even though over 80% of rockbox.org visitors use windows, Mozilla is the most popular browser. 14.30.54 # I would be supprised if Mozilla wasn't the most popular browser. 14.30.55 # s/set/see 14.31.18 # * amiconn still doesn't agree that frames are inherently bad 14.31.52 # Frames have their pitfalls, sure, but all of them can be solved with a little thinking 14.31.58 # no 14.32.07 Quit XavierGr () 14.32.11 # they mess up printing 14.32.15 # they mess up bookmarking 14.32.16 # amiconn: well, you also think the PLAY button should not start playing the song you're pointing at. let's just agree to disagree. 14.32.57 # i check rockbox sites often using a text mode browser, like links or lynx 14.33.10 # and i think frames are always a very bad solution 14.33.32 # amiconn: Can you give an example of a frames-based site that solves all the problems? 14.33.58 # I use a PC with no mouse or touch screen occasionally; frames can make navigation harder there too. 14.34.20 # (not that most sites are much good in that mode) 14.35.25 Quit mordov|wo ("The amount of experience you have is paralell with the amount of equipment you have ruined.") 14.35.57 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.36.04 # menu can be made not vanishing using proper CSS codes 14.36.13 # but i think it's better to let it just vanish 14.37.03 # It'd be easier to make the menu not vanish if browsers actually consistently supported CSS2, but that's another argument 14.37.45 # Does IE7 have CCS2 support? 14.37.56 # I don't think there's much value in having the menu obnoxiously following the scrolling page. you know where the menu is, it doesn't have to be "in your face" all the time. 14.38.06 # i don't like about the idea menu taking extra space on the site (always visible) 14.38.28 # Slasheri: The menu space is taken anyway (the left column) 14.38.44 # amiconn: yep, but the menu can be floating on the left also 14.38.49 # I simply hate it to have to scroll up again before I can access the menu 14.38.50 # so text could go below it 14.38.58 # the home key is nice 14.39.09 # i just have to press one key (home) go get to the menu again 14.39.12 # * Paul_the_Nerd doesn't use the menu because he prefers to type URLs. 14.39.29 # i never use mouse unless it's the only way to go 14.40.00 # Home key is still slower than not having to scroll, e.g. when working via rdp / nx 14.40.19 # (and switching from mouse to keyboad also takes time) 14.41.39 # i only use the keyboard unless i have to anyway 14.41.41 # mice are badness 14.42.15 # huh? 14.42.23 Join nano- [0] (i=nano@xmms2/developer/nano) 14.42.25 # i like to rely on one or the other - i hate switching between the two. 14.42.27 # Who's living in 1995 (or earlier)? ;) 14.42.36 # same here.. and when coding / ircing / doing some work, mouse is totally unnecessary 14.42.48 # i barely ever touch it unless browsing web 14.43.10 # * amiconn likes working with a mouse for 15+ years 14.43.36 # Hi, we of the xmms2 project are about to arrange a logo contest, and thinking about having a DAP as price. I'm just wondering what DAP to go with. It would be very nice to have one that works perfectly with RockBox. 14.43.45 # i just tend to avoid it to avoid messing up my arms 14.43.47 # We've been thinking about a sansa. 14.44.07 Join linuxstb [0] (i=3f887556@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.44.09 # nano-: Sansa is a long way off working with RB yet 14.44.10 # nano-: well, the sansa doesn't work perfectly with rockbox 14.44.37 # amiconn: i use a mouse with no troubles, but i try to avoid it if necessary. using the keyboard is always more efficient 14.44.48 # dan_a, markun: So what DAP is the shit then? 14.45.25 # Also, our competition is not due for another 1-2 months. Might this change anything? 14.45.30 # nano-: I would probably suggest the iAudio X5, but that may be a bit more expensive than you're looking for. 14.45.40 Quit linuxstb (Client Quit) 14.46.13 # I think the older iRivers (H1X0, H3X0) are well regarded, but are not so easily available any more 14.46.58 # I'd be surprised if the Sansa works this year 14.46.59 # Is the Sansa in active development? I read something that sandisk set you hardware? 14.47.14 Join linuxstb [0] (i=3f887556@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.47.16 # Yeah iRiver really did a stupid move making the H10 the flagship model. 14.47.39 # Is the H10 still manufactured? 14.47.47 # Fuck knows. 14.47.47 # dan_a: ah ok :( 14.47.51 # I'm talking about the 20G model btw. 14.47.53 # It's awful :D 14.48.06 # nano-: Sandisk has sent us hardware, but unfortunately most of the hurdles lie in the area of "Chips they bought but are unable to tell us useful information about" ;) 14.48.09 # nano-: If you want a dap that's still in production and fairly well supported by rockbox, I'd say go for the Iaudio X5 14.48.12 # We're working on the Sansa, but the LCD has only been working a week 14.48.54 # nano-: Honestly, most people feel that the iRiver H100 or H300 series are some of the best Rockbox players if you want software codec support. The iAudio X5 is a newer one with very similar capabilities (thought I don't think we're beating stock battery life yet). 14.48.58 # amiconn: yeah.. x5's are really nice, but a bit more expensive. 14.49.10 # nano-: The only options for easily available DAPs are the ipods, and the iriver H10, but their support isn't as good as the X5. 14.49.19 # nano-: And of course the Archoses are wonderful if you don't mind that they only play MP3s, and are a bit clunky. 14.49.34 # Paul_the_Nerd: No, we don't, but I already know one cause an am planning to fix it 14.49.41 # (the pcf i2c driver) 14.49.45 # amiconn: Good to hear. :) 14.50.19 # nano-: Anything outside the ones I've listed pretty much falls in the "In development, and with some noticeable constraints on real-world use" category (mostly battery life for the iPods and H10 series, really) 14.50.30 # Unless I forgot something 14.51.05 # DRM support ;) 14.51.08 # It's finally getting cool here! It was 8C outside about an hour ago. 14.51.09 # Thank you very much for the information. We'll have to think about it. Would give a warm fuzzy feeling to put "Works with Rockbox" next to the price ;) 14.51.09 # Hmm, and we don't support usbotg on any model with usbotg hardware yet 14.51.45 # nano-: Honestly, overall I personally would suggest the H100 series if you can find one on sale somewhere, but that could be because it was my first Rockbox'ed DAP. ;) 14.52.52 # Imho all the rockbox supported daps have their pros and cons, there's no one beat-all-others model 14.52.56 # i would suggest H100 also. It should be the most stable and best working of software codec targets 14.53.26 # And the least affected by the ugly parts of the UI. 14.53.38 # I was pretty satisfied with rockbox on my iPod G4 before the hdd gave up :/ 14.53.51 # and with fastest boot time also if you put rockbox flash ;) 14.54.36 # Btw.. what's the status of glib on uclinux? 14.55.20 # we don't use linux kernel 14.55.43 # nor glib ;-) 14.55.50 # Aha.. was thinking about getting xmms2 to run on rockbox, but that's pretty much ruled out then. 14.56.07 # so what's the buzz with xmms2 anyway? 14.56.32 # nano-: I doubt xmms2 is designed to work good on devices like these 14.56.32 # http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page 14.56.39 # Bagder: Yeah.. that too. 14.56.45 # * linuxstb asks the old "is it gapless?" question. 14.56.50 # linuxstb: yes 14.57.02 # won't xmms2 be too fat to run on those type of devices? 14.57.04 # Then I'm happy... 14.57.15 # Ed___: Probably, don't know as I haven't tried it. 14.58.00 # Rockbox is handicrafted to be xmms on DAP, xmms is not ;-) 14.58.11 # well, i shouldn't bitch at xmms2, as i'm a developer of a music application myself :D 14.58.17 # xmms != xmms2, but it's not handcrafted for dap no. 14.59.18 # for example, rockbox is fixed-point only 14.59.25 # nano-: maybe you can port it to ipodlinux 15.00.04 # "It imports 1200 songs in 6 minutes on a P3 1.5GHz system." 15.00.18 # And Rockbox is optimised for low memory usage and minimal disk spin-ups. 15.00.32 # linuxstb: I have a few questions and suggestions regarding (1) the bitmap build system, (2) libmad 15.00.35 # Bagder: I think our TagCache can beat that. :-P 15.00.35 # markun: yeah.. that's what I wanted to before I realised that glib didn't compile on ulibc (except for a really old version) and I didn't put any time investigating the problem. rockbox is nicer ;) 15.00.47 # Paul_the_Nerd: I would certainly hope so... 15.00.58 # amiconn: Ask away, but I'm not sure I'll be able to help with libmad. 15.01.12 # (it's been a long time since I did anything with it). 15.02.26 # the fun part is that the xmms2 page says 1200 songs in 6 minutes is "*very* fast" 15.02.48 # Slasheri should like that ;-) 15.02.58 # well what does "import" mean? 15.03.31 # I assume that means populating the db with meta data from the songs 15.03.37 # It must mean physically copying the files to be that slow? 15.03.40 # fetching all metadata from the files (including coverart) and loading the text to the medialib (sqlite) and storing the coverart to disk. 15.03.40 # but yes, sounds a bit strange spending on average 3.3 seconds per song 15.04.07 # but yeah, tagcache doesn't store cover art 15.04.50 # but the "benchmark" is pretty inconclusive as the "songs" doesn't say format and doesn't say how much metadat in each file. 15.05.01 # Paul_the_Nerd: check the history for 5521 for the reason for the re-open 15.05.10 # So imho pretty silly to have on the front page without real information ;) 15.05.18 # nano-: indeed ;-) 15.05.38 # nano-: Does it require setting up a database, or can I just do "xmms2 *.flac" in a directory? 15.06.09 # * amiconn thinks tagcache beats the 1200 songs in 6 minutes even on archos 15.06.45 # linuxstb: Maybe this is a bit OT here. xmms2 add is the command though. (for adding to playlist, and xmms2 addpath to recursively add a path to the medialib, files added to playlist will be added to mlib) 15.07.33 # Bagder: It says it may be reopened, I've assumed that the problem has returned, but nobody's said anything to that end? 15.08.04 # Paul_the_Nerd: the history includes "This bug is back with a vengeance. I can't even switch to ID3database view without a crash. I" 15.08.17 # that is, the history tab 15.08.20 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-040-053.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.08.24 # linuxstb: for more info ask on #xmms2 here at freenode. 15.08.25 # nano-: You're right, it's off-topic, but I think there a lot of Linux users here who want a media player on the desktop that has all the features of Rockbox. But I'll just try it and stop asking you :) 15.08.37 # linuxstb: I was trying to fix the multiple calls into the bitmap directory makefile problem. Do you know why the apps/plugins/Makefile specifies both the makefile in apps/plugins/bitmaps (with in turn calls the 4 sub-directory makefile) _and_ the 4 individual makefiles in apps/plugins/bitmaps/ ? 15.08.37 # good luck 15.08.41 # media players on linux suck 15.08.46 # Bagder: Ah, yeah, I forgot about the History tab again. I'm not so great with flyspray. :) 15.09.16 # preglow: nah, mpg321 is all you need :) 15.09.23 # Paul_the_Nerd: I just didn't felt like entering the same info since it _is_ there, just not that easily accessible 15.09.57 # linuxstb: Another problem is that if you replace some gfx for a plugin with new ones of different resoltion, and don't 'make clean' (or at least delete the appropriate libpluginbitmaps*.a and object files, the gfx are all messed up 15.10.31 # Bagder: Well, sorted now. Hopefully next time I'll remember to check the history first. 15.10.43 # I have an idea how this could be solved. The generated .c file must have the jabber after the first dot stripped the same way as the .h file 15.11.29 # amiconn: That doesn't sound right. IMO, the main Makefile should just call the four sub-directory Makefiles. cvs annotate tells me that Bagder added those lines... 15.11.58 # Anyway, thanks for the info about DAP's. Bye. 15.12.03 Part nano- 15.12.09 # Oh? I thought it should be the other way round, i.e. the Makefile should only call the one in bitmaps 15.12.55 # linuxstb: Regarding libmad I have 2 simple questions, as you imported it to rockbox. First, libmad is made by Underbit technologies, but README.rockbox says Unibit technologies? I guess that's just a typo... 15.13.19 # Second, do you know if there's an official cvs or svn for libmad? 15.13.29 # I would prefer to have all the dependencies in the main Makefile, rather than recursively calling other Makefiles. 15.13.58 # amiconn: Yes, that would just be a typo in README.rockbox. 15.15.31 # I don't know about CVS/SVN. There's a "mad" project but it doesn't look like it uses the Sourceforge CVS/SVN. 15.15.41 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-44-2.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.16.19 # I was looking to find a fix for the 64 bit issues... 15.19.15 # But you're probably right about the .c files needing the names stripping. I'll try and look at that, unless you are. 15.20.42 # bbl 15.20.44 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 15.26.12 Quit Ed___ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.26.26 Join Ed__ [0] (i=ed@83.98.131.212) 15.32.34 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 15.33.35 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.232.64) 15.34.05 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 15.34.38 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 15.36.37 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.37.24 Part LinusN 15.38.37 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp193-65.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.39.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.40.05 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 15.42.49 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host163-127.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 15.48.58 # damn, busybox is the shizNITE 15.50.54 Quit theli_ua ("Leaving") 16.01.43 # preglow: are you working on a embedded linux device? 16.03.00 # nopes 16.03.26 # i'm just trying to install with a hanging linux installer here, which gave me more than enough time to inspect the file system 16.04.15 # Toshiba left busybox with many nice tools on the gigabeat for us to play with :) 16.04.50 # is there any internetbrowser installed in the debian-rockbox vmware image? 16.06.54 # Any word on the 5.5g ipod? 16.16.38 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 16.16.38 # hi 16.16.45 # hi funky 16.16.59 # Smakk question: is it normal, that a custom keyboard layout (.kbd file) doesn't survive a reboot? Or does it have to be saved in a special place? 16.19.34 # sorry. found the answer in the wiki. 16.22.05 Quit alberink ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 16.22.29 Join psiborg [0] (n=psiborg@flits103-221.flits.rug.nl) 16.23.18 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 16.24.53 Quit damaki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.26.09 Join darkless_ [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 16.26.11 # pondlife: looking at the output in stderr.txt I see a problem. 16.28.51 # ? 16.29.49 # What do you see? 16.30.23 # let me put it on pastebin 16.30.27 Quit alberink ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 16.31.26 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 16.31.33 # pondlife: http://pastebin.ca/211817 16.32.04 # I was wondering why the metadata was being read twice so I put in some debugs. 16.32.25 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 16.32.58 # I don't understand why each track goes through audio_load_track twice and the metadata is read twice. 16.33.15 # I don't think I've seen that here... 16.33.21 # Is this on the sim or target? 16.33.46 # Also, when playing the second directory you see that the codec is opened everytime even though its the same 16.34.23 # I've seen that happen on the sim before. 16.34.48 # But assumed that was down to Windows and the DLL stuff, which is a bit hacky. 16.35.04 Quit Criamos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.35.51 # yes, this is from the sim (cygwin) 16.36.25 # I see a bug I think 16.36.40 # Ah, no. 16.37.25 # Thought there was a way to get to peek_again (yuck) with current_fd set to a valid open file... but no. 16.37.49 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54934561.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.38.41 # why is there a call to audio_invalidate_tracks? 16.38.57 # that's when the metadata is re-read. 16.39.03 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE2AD.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.39.23 # err...after that the tracks are re-loaded 16.39.27 # No idea. I'm not familiar with the buffering code detail... yet,. 16.39.50 # lostlogic: around? 16.41.43 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p548754FA.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.41.51 Quit SmilinBob ("Leaving") 16.42.07 # Why do we have battery benchmarks dated 2005 in our iPodRuntime page? 16.42.21 # lowlight: I'll see if I get a chance to look at it later, but expect I'll be Monday before I get time. 16.42.22 Quit Quazgaa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.43.58 # Paul_the_Nerd: Probably a typo? 16.45.13 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@82.247.165.89) 16.45.17 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 16.46.00 # Genre9mp3: I would assume so. The months are a little suspect as well, depending on who did those tests. 16.46.46 # Paul_the_Nerd: Well, on thing is for sure.. Rockbox didn't run on iPods back then... 16.46.50 # one thing 16.47.38 # Genre9mp3: Yeah, well I also know when the first iPod benchmarks happened, because I ran the first one on Nano, hand timed. ;) 16.47.58 # hand timed? :) 16.48.00 # Genre9mp3: Okay, it's just the year that's off, the rest of the dates line up with the page updates just fine. 16.48.18 # Genre9mp3: The battery bench plugin didn't work on Nano. I listened to music for just under 8 hours, having noted the start time on a sheet of paper 16.49.08 # Paul_the_Nerd: I guess then that battery bench is not a necessary thing to have... :) ;) 16.51.08 # Genre9mp3: The battery bench is a plugin, and thus does not affect core binary size at all. :-P 16.51.31 # haha 16.52.18 # how can I access the vmware image via samba from linux? 16.52.42 # in the wiki only the path from windows is discreibed: "Share name: \\debian\user" 16.53.03 # Arathis: It's generally assumed that if you're on linux you'll just compile in your own linux rather than running a virtual machine. 16.53.41 # Paul_the_Nerd: I know, but it doesn't work for me. I have problems compiling the arm-elf-gcc 16.54.47 # Arathis: Anyway, this is a more general linux question, so you may have more luck searching the 'net for how to use Linux to access samba shares. 16.55.05 # probalby 16.56.50 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.00.22 Join Abst [0] (n=Abst@unaffiliated/abst) 17.00.42 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-232-64.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 17.01.42 Quit godzirra ("Lost terminal") 17.02.37 # Arathis: just use mount smb://blah/user mountdir/ i think 17.03.19 # Arathis: actually i think it's -t smbfs //blah/user 17.04.29 Join Teknomancer [0] (n=Teknoman@59.144.17.103) 17.05.09 # Where blah is Debian? 17.05.22 # heh, yes 17.07.38 Join eight3446 [0] (n=eight344@CPE000d88ba097f-CM013020003958.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 17.07.54 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 17.08.04 # can anyone help me installing the firmware on a 3G ipod? 17.08.06 # mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on smb://debian/user/, 17.08.16 # the second one then 17.08.37 # eight3446: What's the problem? 17.08.54 # ahh, just stuck on this step, not sure what it means "Merge the Rockbox boot loader you downloaded previously with the Apple firmware." 17.09.11 # Doesn't it proceed to tell you how to do that? 17.09.34 # Using the ipod_fw tool. 17.09.44 # it proceeds in telling you how to install the rockbox-enabled firmware. 17.10.07 # Mikachu: that was for the second. for the first it says: mount: can't get address for smb 17.10.09 # So, there are no steps telling you to issue various commands that start with ipod_fw or ./ipod_fw ? 17.10.35 # the previous one, yes, but that is just to extract the apple firmware 17.10.40 # Arathis: well, that's all i know 17.10.56 # eight3446: What instructions are you reading? 17.11.04 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod3g/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 17.11.31 # Mikachu: oh, I searched the local net with nautilus going to "network" and debian is listet. lets see if I can get in 17.11.38 # it's quite lame.. 17.11.49 # eight3446: Try using these: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#c_1_all_users_except_i_PodLinux 17.11.49 # :D it works 17.11.55 # i have had little luck with gnome-vfs' smb compatibility 17.11.58 # thanks anyway 17.11.59 # eight3446: ipod_fw -g 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-3g.bin 17.12.27 # i am on step 5. 17.12.44 # * Paul_the_Nerd just told you the line that is missing. 17.12.55 # gotcha. 17.13.07 # i thought you had found it in that manual and i had just missed it. 17.13.08 # thanks. 17.13.21 # It's in other manuals for other iPods. 17.13.26 # I'm curious why it's missing from the 3G one. 17.13.40 # kind of an important step. 17.14.16 # IIRC, the 3g bootloader image wasn't available for a long time after the other iPods 17.14.18 # Well, 3G Rockbox is still somewhat unreliable for playback, so it's possible that not much focus has been given to the manual yet. 17.14.29 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54934561.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.14.32 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-234-208.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 17.14.44 # unreliable how? 17.14.54 # It skips 17.15.11 # yikes. it happens often? 17.15.14 Join godzirra [0] (n=shawn@c-68-57-151-199.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 17.15.46 # Not very often if you are in the menu. Several times per track if you are in the While Playing Screen 17.16.00 # dan_a: Even a static WPS? No scrolling or peakmeters? 17.16.06 # alright, i am gonna go ahead and not install rockbox, hah. 17.16.15 # i think the wps still redraws every second or so 17.16.22 # Paul_the_Nerd: Even in a static WPS 17.16.29 # Ouch 17.17.02 # I made one which *just* told me the track name, and that didn't help 17.17.14 # thanks anyway guys, appreciate it. 17.17.27 # You're welcome! 17.18.08 Part eight3446 17.18.44 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-32-165.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 17.19.43 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 17.21.36 # sooo. how can I edit tagcache.c that way, that it gices me the names (and locations) of the files that produce errors via logf? 17.23.49 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 17.24.07 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-44-2.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.24.09 # Paul_the_Nerd: The battery_bench not working on nano is because of the disk standby hack. The flash in the nano doesn't like the standby command, so the standby logic in ata.c is disabled for nano. 17.24.23 # Hence the battery_bench plugin can't trigger on spinup 17.24.57 # The solution would be to fake the standby logic instead of disabling it completely 17.25.07 # amiconn: I remembered it was something like that, I couldn't remember whether it was ever fixed or not. 17.28.07 # amiconn: it might be something else than the standby command itself 17.28.09 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54934561.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.28.35 # i tried to fix it a couple of months ago but failed again 17.33.47 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 17.34.41 # or is "logf" discribed anywhere? 17.38.20 # * preglow summons freqmod 17.39.19 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h187n8c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 17.39.38 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.39.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.41.00 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 17.48.25 Quit besonen_mobile (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.50.09 # Mikachu: btw: the path is smb://debian/filesystem/home/user or just smb://debian . it's enough to enter it in nautilus' adress line 17.53.02 Join w1ll14m [0] (i=546851d0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 17.53.49 Join alphakiller [0] (n=bits@200.162.22.132) 17.56.04 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-45-37-17.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.58.47 Join rr3tzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-015-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.59.40 Quit alphakiller () 17.59.51 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 18.00.55 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 18.01.00 Part TrueJournals 18.04.27 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 18.07.44 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 18.09.20 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.15.19 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.19.23 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.19.29 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp193-65.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.21.26 Quit Teknomancer ("Vision[1.2.0-Z-12102006]: i've been blurred!") 18.23.12 Quit yipe (Remote closed the connection) 18.26.02 Quit lini (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.28.34 # lowlight: I have (locally) added an interface to allow the existing file handle to be used to read mp3 metadata - curing the double-open. 18.29.02 # Does anyone feel this is worth committing, given that one day we'll have metadata-on-buffer? 18.30.13 # I also had a thought.. could the white noise be caused by the file seek pointer being moved for some reason during buffering? 18.31.58 Join random81 [0] (n=chatzill@cp562554-a.landg1.lb.home.nl) 18.32.51 Part Paul_the_Nerd 18.35.19 Join torpor [0] (n=torpor@p508EFB33.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.35.22 # yo 18.35.31 # can i run rockbox on an ipod video (5g) with 80gb disk? 18.35.45 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.35.50 # pondlife: my issue wasn't that the file was being re-opened, but that for some reason the metadata was being re-read. 18.36.27 # Two calls to get_metadata? 18.36.35 # looked like the metadata was read during the initial buffering, and it was all being re-read again later. 18.36.53 # I didn't get that here 18.36.59 # are open calls expensive? 18.37.16 # More expensive than nothing 18.37.38 # yeah, but i think they might actually be somewhat expensive 18.37.50 # torpor: not yet 18.38.27 # Well as long as the file pointer (i.e seek position) is ok - and it seems to be here - then it's easily fixed. 18.38.39 # I was wondering how expensive an lseek was 18.38.41 # pondlife: http://pastebin.ca/211817 you'll see all the metadata is read, then starting at line 129 it starts re-reading the metadata 18.39.20 # I had added some debug statements to see which function is requesting the metadata 18.39.32 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 18.39.37 # Mikachu: any idea whats involved? should i wait a week or a month? 18.39.52 # torpor: not exactly, but i know someone is working on it 18.39.54 # audio_invalidate_tracks is the cause 18.40.42 # right...I'm not sure what triggers that when I'm just letting it play. 18.40.46 # Indicates that Q_AUDIO_FLUSH has been received 18.41.22 # Hmm, audio_invalidate_tracks should be static... 18.41.54 # Mikachu: okay thanks for the info.. i'll check on rockbox a bit later when i've got something it will run on .. 18.41.57 Quit torpor ("leaving") 18.42.30 # OK, so something called audio_flush_and_reload_tracks() 18.43.03 # pondlife: You'll see the same thing when I played the second directory (re-read at line 344)...but no audio_invalidate_tracks. 18.44.22 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 18.44.27 # If you can add logf output to your stderr that makes it easier to follow... 18.45.00 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5883 18.45.54 # This will then log all of the message queues too 18.46.07 # I've got to go now 18.46.25 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.48.46 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.53.30 # which order I have to follow to install ipodlinux + rockbox + apple firmware on the same ipod? 18.53.34 Quit FOAD ("Lost terminal") 18.53.58 # I already have apple + rockbox installed, along with the rockbox bootloader 18.55.08 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 18.55.35 # I think I had to start again, making a new partition for ipodlinux and installing loader2 18.59.41 # petur: did you do any basic testing on that patch? 18.59.52 # not yet... 18.59.53 # funky: I think so too 19.00.02 # petur: also, where are the sliding animations? :PPppPpP 19.00.07 # have we learned nothing from apple??? 19.00.14 # gonna load it now and test this weekend 19.00.25 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 19.00.30 # preglow: the sliding animations that lag when playing music 19.00.56 # most important thing atm is the source switching 19.01.17 # wanted to show pics to somebody and got terribly annoyed by the implementation ;) 19.01.22 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-7-99.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.01.55 # preglow: had two Leffe's already and gonna have some more good stuff later on :p 19.03.22 # i've got a rochefort 8 awaiting consumption 19.03.28 # wow 19.03.30 # this day's definite highlght 19.04.20 # * petur wonders how much a rochefort costs in Norway 19.04.25 # too much... 19.04.32 # I feared so 19.04.41 # hmm, i think this one cost around 6-7 euro 19.04.53 # which is horrendous 19.04.58 # but rochefort is expensive here 19.05.00 # * markun is about to do a wmcodec rework commit.. 19.05.33 Quit rconan ("Leaving") 19.06.17 # * amiconn tried Leffe once 19.06.28 # petur: i just think we're lucky to have it at all with the overall shitty selection available here 19.06.36 # Leffe is not the top - way too commercial 19.06.47 # petur: yeah, but damned tasty for a commercial beer 19.06.59 # but the company bar 'only' has Leffe 19.06.59 # especially the brown one 19.07.02 Join fairramone [0] (n=fairramo@mongo.runwire.com) 19.07.04 # * amiconn didn't like the Leffe 19.07.14 # * petur doesn't wonder 19.07.21 # Hi 19.07.35 # I figured out how to add a really simple plugin and compile it. 19.07.40 Part fairramone 19.07.44 # congrats 19.07.46 # But the edit-compile-run loop takes too long using "make && make clean && make install" 19.07.49 Join fairramone [0] (n=fairramo@mongo.runwire.com) 19.07.54 # Any hints to speed it up , so I can just compile the plugin ? 19.07.57 # random81: why do you make clean? 19.08.01 # random81: just do make 19.08.08 # random81: and only what you've changed will be recompiled 19.08.10 # and why do you run make clean _after_ make??? 19.08.21 # lol 19.08.26 # well, i havent coded c in ages 19.08.47 # doing make clean before make will give you a 100% speed increase, not running it at all probably 5000% 19.09.22 # running make clean after make gives you no binaries :) 19.09.34 # make install will probably trigger a recompile 19.09.54 # thanks, i'll try 19.10.22 # * petur doesn't want to try on cygwin 19.10.38 # heh 19.10.40 # surely not 19.10.56 # A full swcodec simulator build takes >30 minutes here :( 19.11.06 # i'm using the vmware environment, and it works now 19.11.38 # ...partially because of the multiple attempts to make bitmaps 19.13.39 Quit darkless_ ("Leaving") 19.14.40 # thanks to barrywardell, Mikachu, Slasheri! I found the files which caused my tag-cache not to be build :D now it works fine again 19.14.48 # anyone heard from Kalthare in the past few days? 19.16.26 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 19.17.16 Join dpro [0] (n=dpro@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 19.18.20 # why oh why do you still torment yourself with cygwin? 19.18.47 # windows? 19.18.52 # vmware? 19.19.04 # I want to edit under windows 19.19.21 # and the vmware services stay in memory all the time 19.19.52 # which is Bad Design (tm) in my opinion 19.20.03 # petur: ?? 19.20.34 # I tried vmware at work and it loads 2 or 3 services that hjust stay there and consume memory 19.20.49 # VMware can be configured to swap the same way as any other application. At least vmware workstation >= 5.0 and the vmware player do 19.21.06 # so maybe I should try again? 19.21.12 # The services are neglectible imho, the VM(s) consume more 19.21.43 # could anyone with a DAP with a Wolfson codec please try the latest build? 19.21.45 # I would use vmware - if there would be a convenient way to edit under windows. I could share the home directory and map a network drive - but then many windows apps would become slow when the VM isn't running 19.22.19 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.22.19 # Perhaps I should set up a VM exclusively for cvs and compilation, without any gui 19.22.20 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3079.gwdg.de) 19.22.29 # ...and leave that running all the time 19.22.53 # That would require to cross-compile the sims for windows though 19.22.53 # Arathis: could you send the file(s) to me? 19.23.03 # so the problem can be permanently fixed 19.23.03 # Not sure whether that'd be possible 19.23.59 # My preferred editor works on wine, but wine apps don't get a button in the taskbar, at least not with gnome 19.24.17 # And no, I won't switch to KDE, that's for sure 19.24.55 # I don't know linux so the step is bigger for me... 19.25.16 # Slasheri: which file? I just added two 'logf' lines to tagcache.c so it reportes me the position of the error in tagcache_tmp.tcd. I than used hexedit to see which musicfile this was and deleted it. could have renamed it to a shorter name as well I think. 19.25.20 # The vmware services add up to ~4.5MB of memory here. Nothing to worry about... 19.25.28 # Can anyone help me out? I apparently completely ran down my ipod's battery. 19.25.37 # now when I plug it into the usb port, nothing happens. 19.26.29 # Just leave it plugged for a while 19.26.29 Quit JoeBorn ("don't worry I'll be right back") 19.26.33 # But its not charging. 19.26.42 # It shows up something when it charge. 19.26.43 # charges. 19.26.46 # Arathis: do you think the problem was because of a too long filename?= 19.26.50 # and its been plugged in for... I dunno.. 20-30 minutes? 19.26.55 # hmm 19.26.59 # That's bad, then 19.27.00 # it would be nice to have the file you deleted for closer inspection 19.27.36 Join wibbix [0] (n=wibbix@CPE-24-167-251-142.wi.res.rr.com) 19.27.37 # no suggestions? 19.27.41 # Of course it can only display something if there's enough juice for the system to start, but it should charge even without display (I guess) 19.28.05 # Maybe it hung, but now charged enough to display something when you reset it? 19.29.01 # how do I reset it? 19.29.09 # Select+Menu, as usual 19.29.21 # but I thought you had to have it turned on to reset it like that? 19.29.25 # ...for 5 seconds or so 19.29.39 # ah ha! 19.29.41 # you're my hero. 19.29.55 # its charging now. 19.30.07 # [19:28:05] Maybe it hung, .. <= that means it could be on, but fail to display anything 19.30.20 # resetting it worked. 19.30.31 # It was charging before as well, just you couldn't see that it did 19.30.36 # * godzirra nods 19.30.38 # makes sense. 19.30.51 # thingsl ike that cause me to worry though. I wish I could find a h340 =p 19.31.49 # i think the same situation can happen with a h300 if rockbox hangs while the display is off. 19.32.22 # Probably. I just really liked my H120 compared to the ipod ;p 19.33.35 # Slasheri: I think so. I deleted the directory at once, don't know why.. but the file had a really long name. I don't know if it was the only one causing this error or just the first. I could test it if it's helpfull 19.34.00 # Arathis: that would be very helpful 19.34.08 # Slasheri: the file's path was: "music/Soundtracks/Filme/Star Wars/Starwars Episode 6 - Return of the Jedi/Starwars - Episode 6 OST CD2/07 - The Battle Of Endor II (Leia Is Wounded &The Duel Begins & Overtaking the Bunker & The Dark Side Beckons & The Emperor's Death).mp3" 19.34.09 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.34.18 # so it was *really* long 19.34.29 # oh, that's long 19.34.53 # but it still shouldn't crash.. 19.35.28 # I could send you the one file while testing if tagcache works without it, but with the rest of the directory 19.35.59 # Slasheri: do you have an H10? 19.37.12 # Arathis: nope, only h140. But i can test with simulator 19.37.12 # petur: Did you test your jpeg.c change (and also let it test on greyscale targets)? 19.37.39 # I suspect this will hard-clash with the grayscale library. 19.38.21 # Slasheri: I'll upload the file for you in a minute. 19.38.53 # Well, if audio output on the ipods is broken just let me know.. 19.39.10 # eeer... wht's that wolfdon codec? 19.39.14 # *wolfson 19.39.32 # the sounds chip 19.39.44 # ah.. 19.39.48 # ok 19.39.57 # I though it was something like an audio codec 19.40.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.40.02 # no 19.40.14 # forgive my ignorance 19.40.18 # anyway gtg 19.40.27 # It is called audiocodec 19.40.37 # That's obviously to confuse people... 19.41.23 # Arathis: thanks 19.42.30 # amiconn: sorry, I figured it was a quite harmless change 19.42.32 # Hmm. Building that nano sim took "only" 29 minutes :( 19.43.01 # but I gtg now 19.43.11 # petur: The problem is that the main thread *must not* call any functions accessing the LCD directly while the grayscale isr is running 19.43.32 # I only removed some, not add any 19.43.32 # This will confuse the lcd controller for sure 19.43.41 # You added some 19.43.56 # Slasheri: shall I send you the modified tagcache.c too? just so you know where in there the problem is 19.44.00 # ...in th efirst block of changes, around line 2340 19.44.15 # Arathis: please :) 19.44.41 # amiconn: I really gtg, will check later if you haven't already 19.44.47 Quit petur ("later") 19.45.09 # * amiconn would really prefer if such things are checked _before_ commit :( 19.46.57 # Arathis: hmm.. do you have a firewall? 19.47.07 # *hrmpf* 19.47.14 # it seems my client can't connect to you 19.47.24 # Slasheri: I don't know. :/ 19.48.01 # It's my PC, but I live in a hostel 19.48.22 # ah, probably there are some restrictions then.. hmm 19.48.26 # do you have linux? :) 19.48.49 # Slasheri: www.sinlos.net/dirk/tagcache.c 19.48.54 # yes, ubuntu dapper 19.49.00 # Arathis: If you're behind a nat router, dcc send won't work without proper router configuration 19.49.13 # ok, then you could use netcat to stream the raw data to a given port ;) 19.49.19 # www.sinlos.net/dirk/05 - The Battle Of Endor I (Into The Trap & Forest Ambush & Scout Walker Scramble & Prime Weapon Fires) .mp3 19.49.29 # ok, great :) 19.49.38 # dcc send works in reverse direction, i.e. the sending client advertises an IP and port where the receiving client can connect to 19.51.03 # Arathis: got it, thanks 19.51.14 # hope it helps 19.51.35 # i will try it with simulator soon and hope it crashes 19.51.58 # :D 19.52.38 # btw: I inserted too lines at ll. 2106 and 2107 in tagcache.c 19.55.12 Quit damaki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.55.38 Join My_Sic [0] (i=51410ec9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 19.55.51 Quit My_Sic (Client Quit) 19.55.54 Join My_Sic [0] (i=51410ec9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8fe87903591ca67f) 19.57.06 # hie all 19.57.19 Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.bredband.comhem.se) 19.57.27 # i have some problem to compil my own rockbox 19.58.07 # on my computer under Windows, or in a shell under linux, or another under Sun i have always the same error : arm-elf-gcc: Command not found 19.58.54 # but under windows with cygwin, arm-elf-gcc is installed 20.00.25 # Anyone here who can commit a one-line patch for me please? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6218 20.03.20 # Slasheri: that's weird. I recopied the whole folder I deleted earlier and now tagcache builds as normal oO 20.04.56 # hmm.. folder contents were exactly same? 20.05.04 # yes 20.05.07 # maybe there was a disk problem then 20.05.18 Quit perpleXa (Connection timed out) 20.05.26 # at least I don't know what I should have changed 20.11.47 # btw: how can it be that my playlists won't show up if I go from "tag-cache menu >> context menu >> playlist catalog", but if I go through the options menu they do? 20.13.49 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.14.28 Join Kitt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.94.187.61.cable.012.net.il) 20.16.55 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea66b.e.strato-dslnet.de) 20.17.51 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 20.23.16 Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 20.24.35 Quit SereR0kR () 20.24.42 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea66b.e.strato-dslnet.de) 20.25.10 Quit Ribs (Nick collision from services.) 20.25.11 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 20.25.29 # please where i can find arm-elf-gcc for windows ? 20.29.32 # Slasheri: okay, I hadn't put the dir to the right location. that's why it worked 20.31.31 Join darkless_ [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 20.32.26 Quit qailer ("Leaving") 20.35.04 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 20.37.26 # Slasheri: but now I renamed the file and it worked. So it was really just a too long filename 20.37.52 Quit Abst ("Died") 20.42.39 # petur: about the vmware resident processes, I made a little batch program that will run each needed service for vmware to run and then when I finish with the sim and close vmware the batch will autoclose those services (processes) 20.43.43 # That only works if you're admin 20.43.55 # (or otherwise have the necessary rights to start/stop services) 20.45.19 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-7-99.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.49.18 Part lowlight 20.51.26 # My_Sic: search the rockbox wiki for either vmware or cygwin 20.53.09 Quit darkless_ ("Leaving") 20.58.21 Join JazzBone [0] (n=chatzill@p50918A11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.00.03 Quit damaki (Remote closed the connection) 21.08.32 # thanks i will try vmare 21.14.00 # wibbix just loaded and ran rockbox on his Gigabeat! not much is working, but again some progress. 21.15.11 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.15.11 # barrywardell, thank you for all your work on the h10 port 21.20.01 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 21.23.31 # pagefault: np. i don't really consider it work 21.23.56 # well hobby/project whatever you call it 21.24.06 # i've been following it since sept and ti's come a long way 21.28.56 # Is Kalthare the only one working on the 5.5 as far as you guysk now? 21.29.29 Join Ribs3 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 21.35.51 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.36.53 Quit Ribs2 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.37.20 Quit JazzBone ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 21.38.17 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3033.gwdg.de) 21.39.22 Join JazzBone [0] (n=chatzill@p50918A11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.40.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.42.41 Join billodo [0] (i=billodo@nat/sgi/x-ddbee74906be6ecc) 21.45.36 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB3CF13.ipt.aol.com) 21.46.17 Join deesh [0] (i=468f3f3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.46.48 # Does Rockbox support video file formats? 21.47.29 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=asa@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839277.dsl.bell.ca) 21.47.56 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 21.48.29 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.48.52 # deesh: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 21.50.16 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 21.54.32 # pondlife: if you read the logs...I wanted to post this before I go for the weekend (and forget what I was doing)... 21.54.56 # there's something odd about codec_load_next_track() in playback.c 21.54.56 Quit w1ll14m ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.55.21 Quit Ribs3 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.55.41 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.55.45 # hi 21.56.14 # anyone here? 21.56.14 # beautiful now I cant reach my vmware share for some reason arg! 21.56.21 Quit deesh ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.56.21 # maybe... 21.56.43 # lol 21.57.00 # damn, i cant wait for sound to appear on MPEG player.... 21.57.06 # is there any word on when that'll get done? 21.57.08 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 21.57.12 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp151-22.adsl.forthnet.gr) 21.57.30 # TerrorByte: lol 21.57.35 # first, it waits for Q_CODEC_REQUEST_PENDING, but that is never set in the code (it's commented out) so that loop is skipped and it's possible to return false which indicates that the next track can't be loaded 21.57.42 # TerrorByte, No, afaik no-one is working on it atm. 21.57.48 # aw... 21.57.52 # no one's working on it? 21.58.05 # it should be top priority! :P 21.58.57 # nls: no one's even working on it?? 21.59.13 # You can make it YOUR top priority :-P 21.59.43 # pondlife: what I see in some of the logging is that the codec requests a track, Q_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK is sent, but somehow Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED is received before audio_check_new_track() is called. 22.00.48 # the codec quits, and and then I see audio_check_new_track() being called which indeed finds the next track. 22.00.52 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.01.56 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 22.02.25 # i have NO idea how to go about this stuff... 22.02.29 # I just want it done! 22.02.40 # I can't believe there's no work being done on it. 22.02.43 # TerrorByte: For an music player, why should video be a top priority over things like getting bugs fixed, and battery life? 22.02.58 # (1) we don't estimate dates (2) rockbox is a dap firmware, so video certainly isn't top priority 22.03.11 # TerrorByte: There's no work being done on it because all the people who really want it all have no idea how to do it. :-P 22.03.18 # Devs are free to choose what they're working on 22.03.25 # pondlife: it seems like adding too many debugf/logfs changes the timing of events to the benefit of the check new track queue event so the failure doesn't happen. 22.03.25 # Of course bugs/battery is important, but nevertheless.... 22.03.28 # Yesh I do know that. 22.03.30 # I can wait. 22.03.48 # I'm just saying that it should be done eventually. 22.04.10 # Jeez ;P 22.04.55 # What does "eventually" have to do with whether anyone's working on it now, though? 22.05.02 # pondlife: it's possible that the white noise may be caused by pcmbuf_play_stop() statement that isn't reached because Q_CODEC_REQUEST_PENDING isn't set. So maybe the pcmbuf plays stuff when it should have been stopped. 22.05.25 # It still matters. 22.05.34 # There could be some work being done on it... 22.05.37 # But not such a big focus. 22.05.40 # Yay reebooting the vm helped, isn't linux supposed to never have to reboot :-P 22.05.58 # haha 22.06.06 # I'm very new to Rockbox. 22.06.12 # And I know that the devs know best. 22.06.17 # I'm just SAYING.............. 22.06.18 # -_-; 22.06.46 # TerrorByte: Not much point in adding sound support as long as the video isn't even up to speed 22.07.07 Part lowlight 22.07.16 # amiconn: What's wrong with the video? 22.07.23 Quit My_Sic ("CGI:IRC") 22.07.27 # amiconn: I converted a few things. They did seem alright. 22.08.16 # devs may be free to choose what they're working on but may they beware! :D 22.09.22 # LOL. 22.09.24 # :) 22.09.45 # Because it would be pretty sick to have video on it :) 22.10.16 # Video decoding isn't realtime on all targets yet 22.10.50 # * jhMikeS wants to take on USBOTG with the ALi chip... (masochisic he is) 22.11.21 # Hey, I have a question. 22.11.28 # When I convert using the batch file... 22.11.33 # jhMikeS: That'll be HARD.... 22.11.34 # The video gets cut off in the middle. 22.11.43 # Sometimes.. 22.11.47 # For some videos. 22.11.49 # Why is that? 22.11.54 Quit myzar ("...") 22.12.15 # I think our best option is to wait for usbotg support happening on H300 (this chip is documented, fortunately), and the figure out the necessary bits & pieces for the ali chip 22.12.28 Join myzar [0] (n=pie@cpe-72-129-81-32.socal.res.rr.com) 22.13.26 # amiconn: I shudder to think ... but I'd like a way to watch the OF communicate with it. Wonder if an accurate enough emulator could be assembled to make the OF thinks it's running on a real device. I don't have any logic analyzers or any such eq. 22.13.30 # Ali chip? 22.14.22 # Imho LA won't help much 22.14.42 # Either we manage to figure it out from a disassembly, or we need to hook up a bdm wiggler 22.14.57 # bdm wiggler? 22.15.03 # hardware debugger 22.15.06 # How would you emulate an undocumented chip? 22.15.10 # hmmm... 22.15.33 # bdm == background debug module; see coldfire manual 22.15.55 # don't emulate the chip at once...just watch the first thing it does to communicate with it. And immitate the responses working forward from that. 22.16.04 Join linuxstb [0] (i=3f88715a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.16.12 # How would you know the correct response? 22.16.27 # But a hw debugger might be better. 22.16.45 # anyone here working on code usb stack ? 22.17.03 # question... 22.17.10 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 22.17.10 # how come the batch file doesn't work right? 22.17.19 # it doesn't convert the whole video... 22.17.23 # Isolate the code that sends the data. I'm just looking for suggestions since I've never attempted it. I'd learn a lot from it. 22.17.25 # converts like 3 or 5 secs. 22.17.28 # anyone 22.17.32 # ? 22.18.03 # TerrorByte: The batch file just runs VLC with a certain command line. If VLC isn't working right for you, you should contact its support channels. 22.18.05 # I don't have a unit that I'd want to rip into either. 22.18.46 # Paul_the_Nerd: Bah, thanks..... 22.19.01 # Well...if we get the data sent out...we can watch the responses on real hw 22.19.58 # Imho we should first try to understand it from the disassembly, after we have working usbotg on H300. If that doesn't help, bdm might be the only other option 22.20.14 # This is the method with the least 'unknowns' in it 22.23.32 # What good dissasm tools are available? Where? 22.23.56 Part billodo 22.24.50 # Isolating all that in their megabytes of goop seems a bit intimidating but a lot seems to be graphics under a casual look. 22.25.11 # a lot, but far from all 22.25.48 Part solarflare ("Leaving") 22.25.53 # People seem to use ida pro a lot, but imho the tool doesn't matter much; as long as it gives correct results, it should be good enough 22.26.05 # the tool really does matter 22.26.07 # And language stuff, character tables for all that unicode...wonder how much is actually live code. 22.26.11 # ida pro is a dream to work with compared with other tool 22.26.12 # s 22.26.35 # preglow: What feature of ida pro is so superior to other disassemblers? 22.26.54 # I've had a look, it seemed rather slow to me 22.27.26 # amiconn: the fact that it really organizes the disassembly so well 22.27.28 # With archos, I just used sh2d to disassemble, then studied the code in an editor 22.27.30 # and helps you do it too 22.27.33 # Is it a killer on the wallet? 22.27.41 # also, it does a lot of educated guessing 22.27.43 # jhMikeS: oh yes 22.28.40 Quit RogerBacon () 22.29.05 # so it's not a real option, of course 22.29.16 # hmmm appears to be similar to getting into some Adobe apps 22.30.23 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 22.30.33 # amiconn: but anyway, what choices have we really got? i don't know of much besides objdump, and that sucks 22.30.48 # objdump is buggy for coldfire 22.31.01 # buggy and highly insufficient 22.31.18 # imagine mixed thumb and 32 bit code on arm 22.31.34 # a scenario you'll see a lot 22.32.29 Quit rr3tzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.34.23 Quit lodesi ("leaving") 22.34.45 # h3mod can be useful for finding images in the firmware. That way you can ignore those blocks of the file 22.35.29 # The USBOTG thing is the only reason I ever touch the OF, otherwise it's useless. 22.36.42 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.37.51 # How do you do that on X5? 22.38.49 # I just plug in my camera. There's a menu item along with the radio stuff. I forget the name of it. 22.39.21 # No, I mean how you use the OF? 22.39.32 # We don't have (official, reliable) dual boot 22.39.33 Join sk [0] (n=sk@88-110-25-153.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.39.48 # ...unlike on H300 22.39.57 # heh...I did have the dual boot but I'll just reflash to that if needed which is rare 22.40.18 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.40.32 # Shouldn't the dual booting be just part of the bootloader and detect whether or not it's been joined? 22.40.57 Join darkless_ [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 22.40.58 # It worked rather well actually. 22.41.20 # The existing dual boot patch relies on certain addresses in the OF 22.41.27 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 22.41.35 # If those change (e.g. different version) -> poof 22.42.14 # To my knowledge no OF released used anything different. If it's something they can't change then you're safe I suppose. 22.43.05 # But we don't know that they can't, just that they haven't yet, right? 22.43.14 # Can the boot ROM code be changed? 22.43.20 # Is it really ROM? 22.43.35 # Afaik the addresses used are some routines which might change address with any new of version 22.43.49 # Is it just me or does "Press STOP to continue." sound umm... a bit weird? 22.43.56 # I don't care enough about the of to dig into it 22.43.57 # I can't imagine that there's anything there that we can't just do ourselves, is there? 22.44.36 # ...mainly because the X5 is so cumbersome for travelling because of the subpack 22.45.23 # no subpack for USBOTG though 22.45.37 # Yes, sure 22.45.45 # i need to get another h1x0 for when this one breaks 22.45.48 # But the preloader (0x0000-0xFFFF) is permanent or can be reflashed? 22.47.44 Quit SereR0kR () 22.48.00 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 22.48.32 # I didn't dig into X5 flashing yet. I guess the preloader is protected by the built-in flasher, but there surely is no hardware protection 22.48.54 # I also wonder if the LCD driver is really still only 90% finished as in the wiki :) 22.50.16 # Your 18->16 bit change is looking good. I can't see why it shouldn't work on all X5s 22.50.44 # * amiconn is still puzzled about the slowness of his emacified lcd_yuv_blit() :( 22.50.51 Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.bredband.comhem.se) 22.50.52 # rockbox uses the display in 16 bit mode now? 22.51.32 # The data format changed from say |rrrrr0ggg|gggbbbbb0| to |rrrrrggg0|gggbbbbb0| and this use on a 9-bit bus isn't documented 22.51.49 # It becomes 8-bit 22.51.59 # Not truly 22.52.18 # not truely except it ignores bit 0 in each transmission 22.52.46 # hello, im looking for help. 22.52.46 # The transfer format is still rgb666, but the lowest bit of R and B is ignored because dithering is disabled and the internal framebuffer is 16 bit only 22.53.14 # look closer....it takes 5 bits for red now 22.53.52 # Ah, yes 22.54.03 # it's more like RGB 576 22.55.03 # im installing rockbox onto 3rd gen ipod. i believe it needs to be formatted with fat32, but i get stuck in the process of installing with terminal (im on a G5 PPC) when it says there is no partition to be found. does the windows version firmware need to be on the ipod to install? 22.55.23 # at the moment the ipod is wiped and formatted with fat32. but i have no way of installing the firmware for that format 22.56.09 # sk: Did you follow the Installation from OSX instructions, or did you just reformat your iPod? 22.56.22 Join sk_ [0] (n=sk@88-110-25-153.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.56.23 # the switch keeps the video to RGB666 and only changes the DIT bit when it needs to. :P 22.57.57 Quit mirak (Connection timed out) 22.58.04 # Yes, saw that 22.58.41 # It's basically rgb565 like on 8 bit bus but 1 bit shifted up 22.58.49 # (like the commands) 23.00.18 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 23.00.21 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-103-174.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.01.48 # yup...should just shadow the registers instead of or-ing things though. 23.02.12 Quit XavierGr () 23.04.14 # jhMikeS: The rest of R_ENTRY_MODE stays the same, right? 23.04.25 # Would anybody cry if I commit this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6027 23.04.29 # If so, you don't need to shadow the register. Just use 2 constants 23.05.43 # That's the kind of "shadowing" I was speaking of really. For the contrast more of the usual sense. 23.07.31 Quit darkless_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.07.47 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.42.49) 23.09.44 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.11.31 # hey guys 23.11.37 Join darkless_ [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 23.11.41 # are there only DOOM wad files? 23.15.18 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.204.187) 23.15.38 # Several games used the .wad format for their resource files 23.15.48 # But it's not RockWadReader, it's RockDoom. 23.16.28 # True. 23.16.29 # -_-; 23.16.35 # Shouldn't have asked. 23.17.42 # So, what's required in getting sound in the videos? 23.17.56 # What has to be done? 23.18.25 Quit sk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.18.56 # Well right now it'll slow down video playback ALOT. 23.19.05 # I see. 23.19.10 # So really things need to be optimized to the point where enabling it won't slow everything down to molasses-like speeds 23.19.11 # And how can video playback itself be improved? 23.19.16 # Ah. 23.19.28 # About the encoding of the videos. 23.19.40 # Right now, it only plays non-encoded forms right? 23.19.56 # What do you mean? 23.19.58 # MpegPlayer plays... mpeg! 23.20.04 # Right now it plays MPEG2 and MPEG1 compressed videos... 23.20.11 # But nothing else.. 23.20.25 # Will it be able to play other compression videos? 23.20.25 # I don't understand the question. 23.20.52 # You're going to have to reencode videos no matter what to get them to a size to playback decently fast. 23.21.05 # I see. 23.21.10 # Bagder, does this lok ok from a langv2 perspective ? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6027 23.21.13 # Wow, you guys got sound done for the iPOD :) 23.21.17 # I mean, do you have a reason to prefer a different compressed format? 23.21.28 # Sound for the iPod? 23.21.29 # No, I don't care what the compression method. 23.21.33 # Aas long as it works. 23.21.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-01/0543.shtml 23.22.13 # nls: yes I believe so 23.22.32 # TerrorByte: So why were you asking about other compression methods when we already support two? 23.22.42 # TerrorByte: Also, yes, that's the announcement from January that we had music playing on iPods 23.22.45 # I will commit it then. 23.23.08 # Paul_the_Nerd: Will sound ever get done for the H10? 23.23.28 # TerrorByte: The H10 has sound too. 23.23.38 # TerrorByte: That announcement has *nothing* to do with Video 23.23.42 # That's just "sound" 23.23.52 # videoless sound ;-) 23.23.57 # Paul_the_Nerd: Oh. -___-; 23.23.59 # LOL. 23.24.02 # Whoops. 23.24.02 # Heh. 23.24.21 # Paul_the_Nerd: Also, dunno how to really say this, but which of the Rockbox supported MP3 players is most capable? 23.24.48 # Paul_the_Nerd: Power wise... Or something... Are they about the same? Or do really sine? 23.24.51 # shine* 23.25.15 Quit sk_ (Connection timed out) 23.25.57 # TerrorByte: It really depends. Each has its own strengths depending on what you're doing, I guess. 23.26.30 # Paul_the_Nerd: How about in terms of video and sound playback? Because video playback is slow on the H10... 23.27.00 # TerrorByte: Video playback is slow on all of them right now, except maybe the Nano. 23.27.20 # Though actually the H10 should be reasonable. 23.27.58 # Paul_the_Nerd: And what do you guys need to do exactly to get video up to speed? 23.28.13 # Optimise, optimise and optimise 23.28.17 # Paul_the_Nerd: Yes video on the H10 is reasonable. But it still is a tad bit slow... 23.28.19 # I see. 23.28.27 # TerrorByte: How many FPS do you get on the sample file? 23.28.35 # I have not tried the sample file. 23.28.40 Quit TeaSea (Connection timed out) 23.28.41 # Should I right now? 23.28.45 Part wibbix 23.28.54 # Can it ever get to such a level of optimization so that it runs video/audio smoothly? 23.29.51 # There's not an easy way to predict that 23.30.02 # Especially since you aren't defining "smoothly" 23.30.20 # Well you said audio and video slows to a crawl. 23.30.25 # Want me to test the sample file? 23.30.49 # So I guess smoothly = video runs a bit faster with audio. 23.30.51 # TerrorByte: I said it would slow to a crawl. Not that it does. 23.30.53 # the sample file runs near 25 fps on the H10 20GB 23.31.00 # TerrorByte: "Bit faster" doesn't mean anything either. 23.31.10 # TerrorByte: You're talking in relative terms to a subjective point that I don't know where is. 23.31.20 # Okay, where is the testfile? 23.31.27 # I want to see how well it runs. 23.32.08 # TerrorByte: What type of player do you have? 23.32.25 # I'll be back in a few mins. 23.32.30 # Later. 23.32.36 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC") 23.32.36 Quit blueworm ("Leaving") 23.34.11 # Do we have a suitable testfile for the H10 5GB ? 23.34.20 # Doesn't look like it 23.34.38 # The H10 20 should perform faster than the Nano, right? 23.36.17 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-236-191.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 23.36.48 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 23.36.54 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-236-191.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 23.37.28 Quit fairramone (Remote closed the connection) 23.37.43 # i'll test now 23.38.53 # Did mirak give up on video? 23.39.18 # Wasn't Mirak working on MPEG4? 23.39.18 Quit JazzBone ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 23.39.40 # jhMikeS: no time actually 23.39.46 # Paul_the_Nerd: last I knew he was working on libmpeg2 23.40.06 # jhMikeS: last job was trying to reduce ffmpeg mpeg2 23.40.07 # mirak: hello...I see 23.40.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.40.21 Quit darkless_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.40.30 # I don't think I will have time next week too 23.40.33 # mirak: Did put up a patch of your asm optimised idct stuff somewhere? 23.40.46 # amiconn: yes on patch tracker 23.40.55 # d'oh 23.41.09 # looks like the test video is at about 22-24fps on my h10 23.41.43 # without asm that's great 23.41.44 # 33fps for the 160x96 test video 23.41.57 # I think it shouldn't be hard to port the idct I did to asm arm 23.42.06 # if you know arm asm at least ... 23.42.25 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-32-165.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 23.42.44 # Yeah those x5-designers really had to sacrifice bus with just to say they had 262,144 shades or whatever. What a terrible choice. 23.43.30 # the h10 lcd is identical to the x5 23.43.40 # It's 9-bit? 23.44.26 # They could have used the whole 16-bit width and send one pixel with one write instead of two. 23.44.29 # Gah 23.44.41 # This subpack thingy always hides somewhere :/ 23.44.50 # no, sorry it's 8-bit 23.44.59 # we use the interface on the pp chip i think 23.45.10 # but it's the same actual lcd hardware 23.45.25 # heh...my subpack is in my bag...my x5 sits in its cradle with a blanky 23.46.00 # barrywardell: I think I get slightly better than that for fullscreen on Nano, and slightly worse for letterbox, oddly. 23.46.10 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 23.46.39 # pp must do better with actual decoding then 23.48.24 Join dmat [0] (n=dmat@cpc1-hitc2-0-0-cust861.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 23.49.07 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.49.13 # jhMikeS: The Nano and the H10 are both Portalplayer based. 23.49.35 # hi. Anyone here have a 1st gen Nano with Rockbox on? 23.49.54 # Paul_the_Nerd: yes, that is odd 23.50.29 Quit qailer ("Leaving") 23.50.29 # barrywardell: but in all honesty it's been a while since I tried, my memory could be serving me poorly, or the performance could have changed slightly since then. :) 23.50.48 # barrywardell: Ooooor, I could've had framerate limiting on during widescreen playback. 23.50.51 # * Paul_the_Nerd cannot remember. 23.51.27 # Is it possible to load a keyboard layout via a .cfg file? The manual doesn't mention the custom keyboard layouts at all. 23.51.39 # it makes sense that they're fairly similar anyway 23.52.00 Join Ribs3 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 23.52.09 # I'm using today's daily build and I can't get rockdoom to work... 23.52.39 # The mp3 playback is fine though... ;-) 23.53.09 # dmat, did ti use to work for you? 23.53.23 # it even 23.53.58 # No, first time install, but the wiki lists it as supported on 1st gen Nano 23.54.21 Join Kasperle [0] (i=kasperle@zoidberg.org) 23.54.33 # I think that's correct, so did you follow the instructions? 23.54.46 # I patched my v1.2 Apple FW with the bootloader using -g video rather than -g nano 23.55.01 # The bootloader appears fine and chains the apple fw 23.55.21 # did you install rockbox? 23.55.25 # I added the 20061020 daily build and font package to the disk and rebooted 23.55.41 # and rockbox started? 23.55.41 # Rockboxs runs fine and plays mp3s OK 23.55.50 # cube plugin runs 23.55.57 # other plugins run 23.56.06 # And did you follow the doom instructions? 23.56.28 Quit ender` (" I just found out what Alt+F4 does.") 23.56.36 # I added the rockdoom.wad and correctly named doom wads to /games/doom 23.56.47 # then started rockdoom plugin 23.56.53 # the menu comes up 23.57.08 # selected a wad and went to play game 23.57.09 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 23.57.09 # Rolo will reset static variables to defaults correct since it reloads the image? 23.58.01 # But after a number of messages which are too long for the screen width, I get a segfault messagee 23.58.08 Part Paul_the_Nerd 23.58.08 # Well not segfault 23.58.29 # What's the rockbox segfault equivalent?