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00.00.11 #       <Moos> amiconn: during you are here, little question
00.01.00 #       <Moos> did you never noticed strange noises from HD, plus not during activity from it
00.01.04 #       <Moos> ?
00.02.44 #       * jhMikeS wonders how petur could always be getting 39sec of pre when set to 60s
00.03.35 #       <Moos> without prerecording enabled or if enabled?
00.03.42 #       <Moos> disabled
00.04.42 #       <amiconn> Moos??
00.05.02 #       <jhMikeS> enabled and said he let it prerecord for well over a minute. On x5 the start point is right but I only have 30s available. It really shouldn't matter though.
00.06.02 #       <Moos> amiconn: few days ago, I noticed those noise from hardisk when hd isn't spining, just seeking...
00.06.03 #       <jhMikeS> There should be no overflowing going on no matter what
00.06.17 #       <amiconn> It can't seek when not spinning
00.06.44 #       <Moos> ami: but for this, you need good hears and silent env
00.06.46 #       <jhMikeS> I thinks it's rounding error...bah
00.06.55 #       <Moos> ho?
00.07.25 #       <amiconn> A hd cannot seek when it's not spinning. It would destroy itself (both the heads and the platter surface)
00.07.36 #       <Moos> never noticed it with my iriver before
00.08.06 #       * Moos feels silly ;)
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00.08.32 #       <Moos> then the hard disc is produce more external noises or something?
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00.09.36 #       <Genre9mp3> Moos: Maybe you mean when seeking (ffwd/rewind) when playback?
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00.10.00 #       <amiconn> I don't know what you heard, I didn't notice any strange noises from my iriver hds except (1) the known bug in the H300 bootloader with bootloader usb mode (hd performing an emergency park because power is cut while the disk is spinning)
00.10.05 #       <Moos> I thought the data was buffered then no need of hd
00.10.24 #       <Moos> spoken about x5 HD
00.10.38 #       <amiconn> and (2) the spinning noise of my h1x0 hd being a bit louder than normal resulting from a crash to floor incident :/
00.10.42 #       <Moos> I said never heard those noises with my iriver before
00.10.56 #       <Moos> I didn't spoken about spining
00.11.03 #       <Moos> that the thing
00.11.18 #       <Moos> buffer is just filled, then no need of HD right?
00.11.31 #       <Moos> in playback for exemple
00.11.42 #       <amiconn> The X5 hd is a newer toshiba model than those in the irivers, it's generally quieter but more clicky when parking/unparking
00.12.32 #       <Moos> that what I thought too
00.12.48 #       <Moos> but my hears don't think so
00.13.19 #       * Moos blame his very bad english :(
00.13.52 #       <Moos> ami: do you understand what I'm trying to say?
00.14.13 #       <amiconn> obviously not :/
00.14.31 #       <Genre9mp3> Moos: You mean that you hear sounds from the disk even when it's not spinning?
00.14.38 #       <Moos> sorry :( lets rephrase this (trying at least)
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00.14.43 #       <Moos> amen
00.14.46 #       <Moos> ;)
00.15.19 #       <Moos> and isn't sound of platters working, but like an annoying noise
00.15.31 #       <Genre9mp3> I never experienced something like this with my H340
00.16.16 #       <Moos> just noticed it with my X5 that why I thought that was X5 specific
00.16.29 #       <amiconn> Moos: If you have 'disk poweroff' enabled, rockbox cuts power to the hd when it's not spinning, so the hd can't actively produce any noise
00.17.17 #       <amiconn> If you hear some noise from the X5 when the hd is powered down, the noise must come from some other component of the X5
00.17.29 #       <Moos> I have "disk poweroff" enabled and listening those noise
00.17.42 #       <Moos> not in spining dow period
00.18.08 #       * amiconn tires to understand those darn Makefiles involved in the bitmap build system :(
00.18.22 #       <Moos> not HD activity cause in my exemple, playback working and playback buffer filled
00.18.40 #       <amiconn> I don't get why each dir is touched twice (I've already fixed the 4-fold touching of the plugin bitmaps locally)
00.21.12 #       <Moos> I'm wondering which chip could produce those noises, in hoping isn't one chip "bad used" or something
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00.24.23 #       * jhMikeS fixed the prerecording time calc :P
00.26.02 #       <Moos> congratulations :)
00.26.49 #       <jhMikeS> in essence doing division before multiplication...bah
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01.12.09 #       <amiconn> barrywardell: Your sdl button change triggered red builds, for some reason only in the next build round...
01.12.22 #       <barrywardell> oh, sorry
01.12.24 #       <amiconn> H1x0 and H300 have no BUTTON_PLAY, it's called BUTTON_ON
01.12.45 #       <barrywardell> strange how they weren't caught the first time
01.12.48 #       <barrywardell> i'll fix now
01.14.13 #       <amiconn> I've already seen that happen several times
01.14.33 #       <barrywardell> i think not all the sims get built every time
01.14.39 #       <barrywardell> or something like that
01.14.47 #       <amiconn> The distributed build system seems to have a timing problem; sometimes it doesn't catch all changes belonging to a commit
01.15.04 #       <barrywardell> ah, i see
01.15.24 #       <amiconn> Maybe it's because system clocks diffeering a bit (??) (Bagder??)
01.15.32 #       <barrywardell> just running a test compile before i commit a fix
01.17.11 #       <barrywardell> the build log seems ok though
01.19.42 #       <barrywardell> hmm. weird. my changes come up twice, in both my own commit and in the second one
01.23.20 #       <amiconn> Yeah, strange, especially since it was a single-file commit
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01.33.16 #       * amiconn found a way to speed up make a bit, especially on cygwin
01.33.39 #       <amiconn> Less backticking in the Makefiles, using make internal functions instead
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02.02.47 #       <Kugelfang> evening
02.02.58 #       <Kugelfang> can somebody help with a small problem regarding my ipod?
02.03.04 #       <Kugelfang> i can't boot rockbox
02.03.17 #       <Kugelfang> it keeps booting the ipod firmware
02.03.34 #       <scorche> then you have most likely screwed up somehwere with the installation fo the bootloader
02.03.49 #       <Kugelfang> i will reiterate the steps
02.06.13 #       <jhMikeS> using cygwin is a hell of a motivator to want to speed up builds :)
02.06.54 #       <Kugelfang> scorche: it copied 5.6M to the first partition...
02.06.56 #       <Kugelfang> rebooting
02.07.32 #       <Kugelfang> scorche: nope, keeps booting the apple thing
02.07.54 #       <midkay> Kugelfang: did you copy a build to the drive?
02.08.05 #       <PaulJam> does it show the rockbox bootloader before booting the apple firmware?
02.08.12 #       <Kugelfang> PaulJam: no
02.08.16 #       <Kugelfang> midkay: yes
02.08.28 #       <RogerBacon> hey, i have some information of my gigabeat s60gb (gphoto), anyone is interrested, im not sure if is useful but is a lot of info
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02.09.21 #       <Soap> RogerBacon - I have a strong suspicion they would love it if you added your info to the wiki.
02.09.37 #       <Soap> since many of the developers are sleeping.
02.09.51 #       <RogerBacon> where i add it to the wiki ?
02.10.14 #       <Soap> there is a hardware page for all the players.
02.10.29 #       <Soap> ahh, but you probably don't have wiki write access if you don't know where to put it.
02.10.43 #       <Kugelfang> hm, i /think/ the bootup takes bit longer than normally, so i guess the bootloader is correctly installed
02.10.54 #       <Kugelfang> it just doesn't find rockbox :-/
02.10.55 #       <Soap> you would need to create a wiki account, then have one of the big guys grant said account write access.
02.11.46 #       <Kugelfang> ah, i just see i need a fonts package
02.11.59 #       <Kugelfang> could a missing fonts package be the cause of rockbox not booting?
02.12.04 #       <PaulJam> no
02.12.38 #       <Kugelfang> should i see the rockbox boot screen if the fat partition is not touched at all?
02.12.54 #       <Kugelfang> or wouldi just see the apple symbol and then the apple firmware?
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02.14.01 #       <JdGordon> <jhMikeS> using cygwin is a hell of a motivator to want to speed up builds :) <- have u got ccache installed?
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02.15.15 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: ccache actually _slows down_ the build process on cygwin
02.15.27 #       <JdGordon> oh, ok
02.15.30 #       <JdGordon> that sux :D
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02.15.51 #       <amiconn> I even have a strong suspicion why.
02.16.03 #       <RogerBacon> can i have write permission ?
02.16.03 #       <Kugelfang> PaulJam: how big should the rockboot.bin be?
02.16.37 #       <amiconn> The cygwin slowness obviously isn't caused by cygwin itself, but by the windows filesystem layer
02.16.48 #       <amiconn> And using ccache means _more_ file accesses
02.16.49 #       <scorche> Soap: you can...
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02.16.58 #       <scorche> just requires anyone with write access
02.16.59 #       <PaulJam> Kugelfang: I don't know.
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02.19.09 #       <Kugelfang> PaulJam: ah, you don't use one yourself?
02.19.45 #       <PaulJam> Kugelfang: i don't have an ipod.
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02.20.53 #       <Kugelfang> dammit, downloaded the wrong bootloader
02.27.25 #       <RogerBacon> whats the name of the hardware wiki ?
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02.40.23 #       <RogerBacon> where i pastle my info ?
02.43.30 #       <RogerBacon> ok, i pastle it in my personal page, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/CarlGaudreault?rev=1;filename=GigabeatS60.txt (can anyone tell me if this information was useful)
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03.37.54 #       <webguest47> i need help por favor
03.38.15 #       <webguest47> n e one interested????
03.38.19 #       <webguest47> kinda simple
03.38.20 #       <Soap> ask
03.38.51 #       <godzirra> just ask
03.38.58 #       <webguest47> aight
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03.44.14 #       <webguest47> i have a 2GB nano ipod and i'm currently running the command window to load rockbox on it but i get towards the end in the steps where it says: ("Merge the Rockbox boot loader you downloaded previously with the Apple firmware.") ...i enter the info but the command window states: ("Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo/color...Cannot open loader image file bootloader-nano.bin")
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03.46.41 #       <PaulJam> have you downloaded the file and is it in your working-directory?
03.49.19 #       <Soap> what command did you enter to get that message?
03.49.26 #       <webguest47> its in C:\rockbox\bootloader-nano.bin
03.49.40 #       <webguest47> does it just need to be in C:\ ?
03.50.10 #       <Soap> it needs to be in your working directory or in your path.
03.50.21 #       <BHSPitLappy> the directory you're cd'd into.
03.50.34 #       <webguest47> explain further
03.51.00 #       <webguest47> my ipod drive or the actual comp hard drive
03.51.13 #       <BHSPitLappy> you're at a command prompt
03.51.16 #       <BHSPitLappy> right?
03.51.17 #       <webguest47> yep
03.51.18 #       <Soap> is your command prompt "C:\rockbox>_?
03.51.25 #       <BHSPitLappy> there's a directory that you're IN right now
03.51.28 #       <webguest47> no it is...
03.51.33 #       <BHSPitLappy> that's the directory where the file needs to be
03.51.37 #       <BHSPitLappy> otherwise, how does it know what you mean?
03.51.46 #       <webguest47> C:\rockbox\
03.52.02 #       <webguest47> the symbol > doesn't work
03.52.10 #       <webguest47> so i use \
03.52.29 #       <webguest47> but the bootloader-nano.bin file is definetly there
03.52.42 #       <Soap> in your command window
03.52.45 #       <Soap> hit enter
03.52.59 #       <Soap> what does the text at the bottom of the screen say?
03.52.59 #       <webguest47> does rockbox even work w/ a 2gb nano or does it have to be 4gb
03.53.10 #       <webguest47> h/o i;ll try
03.53.35 #       <Soap> 2GB 1st generation (plastic white or black face) nanos only.  Not the metal bodied nanos (2nd generation)
03.54.10 #       <webguest47> aight that explains why
03.54.19 #       <webguest47> i have 2nd gen.
03.54.22 #       <webguest47> f'n a!
03.54.37 #       <webguest47> there's no way around this?
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03.55.08 #       <Soap> I updated the wiki weeks ago to say "It is functional on... <snip>...the iPod Nano 1st gen (not the new ones with metal bodies)"
03.55.31 #       <PaulJam> the second gen nanos have afaik a completely different hardware.
03.55.49 #       <webguest47> damnit
03.56.04 #       <webguest47> aight thnx for the info and srry i didn't see it on the site
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03.56.32 #       <Soap> and every other wiki reference to nano was changed to Nano 1st gen.
03.57.51 #       <webguest47> k so i have no luck
03.58.21 #       <webguest47> n e alternative for the 2nd gen nano? like a different program that ur aware of i can download?
03.59.49 #       <Soap> Though, I guess, a quick glance at the manual doesn't distinguish between the 1st and 2nd generation Nanos.
04.00.16 #       <webguest47> tru i c it know
04.00.21 #       <webguest47> now*
04.02.35 #       <Soap> If I had a nickel for every new forum member whose first post was "Can Rockbox play videos (on my iPod video)"  I'd be able to afford the Tumms.
04.03.00 #       <Soap> i have an ipod, so I'm not biased against them.  But you don't seem to see iriver people asking this.
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04.03.55 #       <webguest47> is there n e thing like rockbox out there?
04.04.28 #       <Soap> again?  I don't understand the question.
04.05.48 #       <webguest47> like is there n e way for me to customize my 2nd gen nano using somethin like ipod wizard...
04.06.16 #       <Soap> ohh, "anyway"
04.07.11 #       <PaulJam> afaik the nano 2. gen firmware is encrypted. so someone would need to find a way to decrypt it first.
04.08.12 #       <Soap> and outside of IpodWizard, IpodLinux, and Rockbox, I know of no other way to customize your ipod's software/appearance.
04.09.03 #       <Soap> IpodWizard will most likely be the first one to have options for the second generation nano, as it is little more than a resource editor, whereas ipodlinux and rockbox are complete firmware replacements.
04.10.09 #       <webguest47> aight thnx i'm lookin into ipodlinuz
04.10.11 #       <webguest47> peace
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04.10.25 #       <Soap> theey don't support the second generation nanos either.
04.10.26 #       <TerrorByte> Sup?
04.10.38 #       <Soap> they
04.10.52 #       <Soap> for the same exact reasons rockbox doesn't.
04.10.58 #       <TerrorByte> The '5.5' gen nanos right?
04.11.39 #       <RogerBacon> some info from gigabeat s : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CarlGaudreault
04.11.48 #       <Soap> I think they are universally called the 2nd generation nanos.
04.12.10 #       <TerrorByte> I see.
04.12.25 #       <TerrorByte> Wow, I learn something new everytime I come here :)
04.12.32 #       <EspeonEefi> TerrorByte: 5.5 refers to the new generation of full iPods (iPod Videos).
04.12.42 #       <TerrorByte> See what I mean?
04.12.42 #       <TerrorByte> :)
04.12.43 #       <TerrorByte> Thanks.
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04.15.45 #       <chis00854r> can someone help me out?
04.15.50 #       <Soap> ask
04.15.57 #       <chis00854r> ok i have a ipod 60gb
04.16.11 #       <chis00854r> and i tried the install of the rockbox
04.16.16 #       <chis00854r> and had no sucess :|
04.16.33 #       <TerrorByte> I'm sure someone can.
04.16.41 #       <chis00854r> Soap? :)
04.16.47 #       <chis00854r> now the ipod isnt working
04.16.54 #       <TerrorByte> I see.
04.17.01 #       <TerrorByte> Well I'm new to Rockbox, I'm probably not much help.
04.17.14 #       <TerrorByte> Are you sure it's supported?
04.17.15 #       <chis00854r> it sucks not having a ipod that works
04.17.22 #       <chis00854r> yah it said it...
04.17.25 #       <RogerBacon> hey anyone can tell me wats appen if i take the HDD from my gigabeat and put in into my ipod ?
04.17.45 #       <RogerBacon> because the gigabeat is MTP (view the file system ) ?
04.18.01 #       <TerrorByte> Okay which one is it on this page?   http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
04.18.04 #       <chis00854r> Soap can you help me?
04.18.06 #       <chis00854r> :|
04.18.26 #       <chis00854r> i have the ipod 60gb , ipod video
04.19.02 #       * chis00854r the channel OP here?
04.19.08 #       <chis00854r> Bager!
04.19.09 #       <TerrorByte> Doubt it..
04.19.13 #       <chis00854r> badger!
04.19.17 #       <chis00854r> lol bagder
04.19.18 #       <Soap> chis00854r - what steps did you take.  Detail is needed.
04.19.19 #       <chis00854r> :)
04.19.21 #       <TerrorByte> Well I'm gonna look at the manual for the iPod Video.....
04.19.38 #       <chis00854r> Soap the ipod isnt working, i tried installing 5 times and i had no sucess
04.19.41 #       <Soap> and when did you get this 60GB ipod?
04.19.48 #       <chis00854r> last year
04.19.53 #       <Soap> that isn't much in the way of details chis00854r
04.20.05 #       <chis00854r> ok could you walk me through it?
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04.20.15 #       <Soap> ok, last year means it is not one of the oddball 60GB 5.5gens.
04.20.21 #       <TerrorByte> http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 The manual BTW.
04.20.27 #       <Soap> what install instructions are you using chis00854r?
04.20.49 #       <chis00854r> there was 2 acually, and i tried both 3 times each
04.21.02 #       <chis00854r> i downloaded the manual...
04.21.16 #       <chis00854r> and saw a detail link on the website
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04.21.17 #       <Soap> let's go with the wiki
04.21.23 #       <chis00854r> ok got a link
04.21.30 #       <Soap> can you boot apple OS currently?
04.21.43 #       <chis00854r> what is that
04.21.46 #       <chis00854r> i am in windows
04.21.51 #       <Soap> The Apple firmware on your ipod?
04.22.01 #       <chis00854r> where do i find that download?
04.22.13 #       <chis00854r> i was looking for it..
04.22.16 #       <chis00854r> before
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04.23.00 #       <Soap> Maybe I wasn't clear.  Does you ipod boot into the stock firmware (Apple) like when it was brand new.  Like before you started fucking with it?
04.23.31 #       <chis00854r> whats a stock firmware?
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04.23.46 #       * Soap heads to the fridge for a beer.
04.23.59 #       * chis00854r passes Soap a 30 pack
04.24.08 #       <chis00854r> start drinking ;)
04.24.43 #       <chis00854r> apple says www.apple.com/support/ipod
04.24.55 #       <chis00854r> with a icon above
04.25.08 #       <TerrorByte> "Like before you started fucking with it?" Lol, this is great stuff.
04.25.10 #       <Soap> ok, so your stock firmware is borked.
04.25.28 #       <chis00854r> ok lets fix it
04.25.29 #       <chis00854r> :)
04.25.37 #       * TerrorByte thinks this is bash.org worthy.
04.26.20 #       <Soap> chis00854r - for the record, that line about fucking wasn't supposed to be an insult.
04.26.49 #       <chis00854r> ok lets begin shall we :))
04.27.07 #       <Soap> fucking with shit is a precious gift given to only the higher mammals.
04.27.07 #       <TerrorByte> Hey, you've gotta read this:
04.27.16 #       <TerrorByte> http://www.bash.org/?244321
04.27.26 #       <TerrorByte> Totally hilarious.
04.28.04 #       <chis00854r> haha ...
04.28.23 #       * chis00854r slaps both Soap and TerrorByte ! lets begin guys
04.28.25 #       <chis00854r> :)
04.28.37 #       * chis00854r passes both you guys a beer
04.28.54 #       * TerrorByte doesn't drink.
04.28.59 #       <TerrorByte> Seriously, read that.
04.29.01 #       <TerrorByte> Very small.
04.29.07 #       <chis00854r> coffee :) ?
04.29.16 #       * TerrorByte hates coffee.
04.29.33 #       <chis00854r> TerrorByte go in the fridge
04.29.34 #       <chis00854r> :)
04.29.47 #       <chis00854r> but anyways i would like to get this ipod video working!!!
04.29.55 #       <chis00854r> any thoughts?
04.29.57 #       <Soap> chis00854r - you have a command prompt oprn?
04.29.57 #       <chis00854r> :))
04.30.02 #       <chis00854r> yes
04.30.19 #       <Soap> your ipod plugged in?
04.30.23 #       <chis00854r> yes
04.30.49 #       <Soap> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
04.30.55 #       <chis00854r> ok
04.31.11 #       <Soap> step 1 b) "Find your iPod"
04.31.11 #       <TerrorByte> hunter2 ;)
04.31.18 #       <chis00854r> ipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin
04.31.19 #       <Soap> what number was your ipod?
04.31.20 #       <chis00854r> ok did that
04.31.29 #       <chis00854r> on step 2 then
04.32.05 #       <chis00854r> http://www.ipodwizard.net/cmps_index.php ?
04.32.06 #       <Soap> wait - your ipod is #1?
04.32.08 #       <chis00854r> do i download that
04.32.11 #       <chis00854r> yes
04.32.19 #       <Soap> whoa, no ipodwizard support here.
04.32.25 #       <chis00854r> ok
04.32.29 #       <chis00854r> i didnt install it
04.32.33 #       <chis00854r> :)
04.32.38 #       <chis00854r> just wondering
04.33.12 #       <chis00854r> ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin next step?
04.33.25 #       <Soap> your ipod is #1?
04.33.30 #       <chis00854r> yes
04.33.39 #       <Soap> ipodpatcher 1 returned the good results?
04.34.04 #       <chis00854r> hold on
04.34.06 #       <Soap> how big is your bootpartition.bin file?
04.34.19 #       <chis00854r> hold on
04.34.27 #       <chis00854r> ;) ill take a snapshot
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04.36.54 #       <chis00854r> alright its http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7097/1la3.jpg
04.38.39 #       <linuxstb> chis00854r: You will probably need to restore your ipod to a working condition with itunes, and then try the install instructions again from the start.  If you failed the first time, and then repeated the instructions with a broken ipod, it will never work.
04.39.23 #       <SUSaiyan> chis00854r: xchat on windows with a treeview?
04.39.26 #       <chis00854r> so what do i do:|
04.39.33 #       <chis00854r> i am on xchat
04.39.41 #       <chis00854r> do i unstall..
04.40.02 #       <chis00854r> and have itunes upload all my songs again
04.40.05 #       <chis00854r> my songs arnt saved?
04.40.50 #       <SUSaiyan> if you do it right your songs should still be there
04.40.59 #       <chis00854r> ok lets do it right?
04.41.00 #       <chis00854r> :)
04.41.13 #       <chis00854r> whats the command?
04.41.14 #       <linuxstb> At the moment, your songs are probably safe.  But itunes will delete them when you use the restore function.
04.41.21 #       <Soap> if you are paranoid you can always back up your ipod_Control folder.
04.41.53 #       <chis00854r> ok what do i do to get it working?
04.41.54 #       <chis00854r> :)
04.42.05 #       <chis00854r> just hit me up with the commands or whatever
04.42.07 #       <chis00854r> :)
04.42.12 #       <chis00854r> here we go!
04.42.15 #       <linuxstb> Restore using itunes, then follow the guide.
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04.42.37 #       <TerrorByte> 'hit me up with the commands'? LOL :)
04.42.37 #       <chis00854r> just so you know the ipod is new to this computer
04.42.41 #       <chis00854r> and it had no songs
04.42.56 #       <chis00854r> i was about to upload songs
04.43.02 #       <chis00854r> but the songs are on my ipod
04.43.09 #       <chis00854r> i had to do a fresh copy of windows
04.43.18 #       <linuxstb> The important thing is to keep a safe copy of the bootpartition.bin file you read from a _working_ ipod.  You should never need to run the "ipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin" command more than once.
04.43.28 #       <Soap> chis00854r - I was going to walk you through the step of restoring the bootpartion.bin file you originally extracted to your ipod, to see if that would be enough to make it boot appleOS again, but linuxstb brings up a good point, repeated failed install attempts mean you probably don't have a proper bootpartition.bin anymore.
04.43.56 #       <chis00854r> :|
04.44.14 #       <chis00854r> could we see if I do?
04.44.19 #       <Soap> linuxstb - assuming he has appleOS 1.2, can I send him my appleOS 1.1 bootpartion.bin file?
04.44.32 #       <chis00854r> what would be the command...
04.44.32 #       <Soap> will it work I guess is the main question.
04.44.42 #       <chis00854r> lets see :)
04.45.09 #       <Soap> ipodpatcher -w 1 bootpartition.bin
04.45.35 #       <TerrorByte> http://www.bash.org/?120296
04.45.39 #       <TerrorByte> Also hilarious.
04.45.41 #       <TerrorByte> Classic.
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04.45.55 #       <chis00854r> ok its writing input file to device for the 8th time
04.47.09 #       <chis00854r> takes a long time :|
04.47.16 #       <chis00854r> what would be the next command?
04.47.31 #       <linuxstb> Soap: Yes, you could send him your bootpartition.bin.
04.47.44 #       <Soap> assuming your bootpartion.bin file is clean that will restore your ipod to virgin condition.
04.48.00 #       <Soap> cleanly unmount your ipod, unplug, and watch it reboot.
04.48.06 #       <Soap> does it boot into apple OS?
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04.48.27 #       <chis00854r> its not done yet
04.49.47 #       <chis00854r> shoot new directory
04.49.56 #       <chis00854r> i put it in my rockbox folder
04.50.12 #       <chis00854r> while it was doing the ipodpatcher
04.50.13 #       <chis00854r> :|
04.50.34 #       <chis00854r> will it be ok?
04.50.50 #       <Soap> what?
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04.50.56 #       <chis00854r> ipodpatcher is still loading
04.51.09 #       <chis00854r> and its using bootpartition.bin
04.51.12 #       <chis00854r> will now its done
04.51.17 #       <Soap> and you are accepting my DCC file to the same directory?
04.51.26 #       <chis00854r> yes
04.51.27 #       <chis00854r> :|
04.51.34 #       <chis00854r> i feel dumb
04.51.52 #       <chis00854r> still same size
04.52.04 #       <chis00854r> and end sectors
04.52.15 #       <chis00854r> maybe alright
04.52.28 #       <linuxstb> chis00854r: Something else to check is when you write bootpartition.bin, make sure the disk activity icon on your ipod's screen has disappeared before you unplug it.
04.52.50 #       <chis00854r> ok
04.52.55 #       <chis00854r> should i disconnect it now?
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04.53.06 #       <myzar> \o/
04.53.34 #       <Soap> yea, cleanly unmount it in windows.
04.53.35 #       <chis00854r> i did
04.53.42 #       <chis00854r> opps
04.53.46 #       <Soap> unplug and let us see what happens.
04.54.01 #       <chis00854r> same folder and apple link error
04.54.20 #       <chis00854r> so do i plug it back in
04.54.22 #       <Soap> ok, plug it back in and do the same command again once my file transfer to you is finished.
04.55.08 #       <chis00854r> alright by right you should send it again :|
04.55.17 #       <chis00854r> because of saving it into same directory
04.55.22 #       <chis00854r> it was my mistake :|
04.55.36 #       <chis00854r> not sure... maybe conflicts
04.56.12 #       <chis00854r> now just closed :|
04.57.50 #       <Soap> one more time
04.58.03 #       <Soap> your client doesn't like non-standard DCC packet sizes.
04.59.27 #       <chis00854r> i could forward my ports
04.59.35 #       <chis00854r> or setup foldershare.com
04.59.37 #       <chis00854r> ;)
04.59.42 #       <Soap> no, it's fine.
04.59.57 #       <chis00854r> wish it went 100+kbps
05.00.06 #       <Soap> the second time I sent it to you I kicked up the packet size trying to speed things up, and your client cried like a baby.
05.00.10 #       <Soap> So I kicked it back down.
05.00.19 #       <Soap> you'll have to live with 55KB/s
05.00.46 #       <chis00854r> i installed itunes
05.01.10 #       <chis00854r> is it a bad time to do the next next next section?
05.01.48 #       <chis00854r> like i said i did a fresh copy of windows
05.02.06 #       <chis00854r> and i downloaded itunes and was wondering if i should run itunes now
05.02.08 #       <chis00854r> prob not
05.02.08 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.02.12 #       <chis00854r> ill hold off
05.02.31 #       <Soap> paitence.
05.02.43 #       <chis00854r> Soap i thank you for everything
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05.03.23 #       <chis00854r> :) hows that beer soap?
05.03.28 #       <chis00854r> I perfer budlight
05.04.10 #       <Soap> good, I'
05.04.29 #       <Soap> m poor and drinking natural light until my next batch finishes fermenting.
05.04.47 #       * Soap leaves for a smoke break.
05.04.52 #       * chis00854r same here
05.04.53 #       <chis00854r> :)
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05.10.11 #       <chis00854r> that just narrowed down the time
05.10.13 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.11.33 #       <godzirra> Yay homebrewers.
05.11.48 #       <chis00854r> hi godzirra
05.11.53 #       <godzirra> howdy chis00854r
05.12.08 #       <chis00854r> what in the world is a homebrewer
05.12.19 #       <godzirra> He was talking about his next batch finishing fermenting.
05.12.22 #       <Soap> one who brews their house.
05.12.24 #       <godzirra> I assumed he was talking about homebrewed beer.
05.12.31 #       <Soap> wait, that isn't right!
05.12.36 #       <godzirra> Yup, you get some equipment and brew beer usually in 5 gallon batches.
05.12.38 #       <chis00854r> i was going to say that
05.12.39 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.12.51 #       <godzirra> Soap: what isnt?
05.12.52 #       <chis00854r> on the food channel it showed how to make your own beer :P
05.12.57 #       <godzirra> Its really not hard.
05.13.05 #       <godzirra> And its fun.
05.13.06 #       <Soap> godzirra : .
05.13.06 #       <Soap> [
05.13.08 #       <Soap> .
05.13.08 #       <Soap> [
05.13.12 #       <Soap> aarrgghh, sorry all
05.13.14 #       <godzirra> I make a wicked irish stout.
05.13.17 #       <chis00854r> godzilla pass me a beer
05.13.18 #       <chis00854r> ;)
05.13.22 #       <Soap> 06-10-21 23:11:58] <Soap> one who brews their house.
05.13.26 #       <godzirra> LOL
05.13.31 #       <godzirra> yeah, I didnt even catch that.
05.13.48 #       <chis00854r> haha im underage by a year and i get into the bars no problem :)
05.14.03 #       <godzirra> I actually .... don't drink beer.
05.14.14 #       <chis00854r> i see...
05.14.15 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.14.18 #       <godzirra> I do it because its fun and my friends love it.
05.14.20 #       <chis00854r> just been reading along?
05.14.24 #       <godzirra> I drink alcohol.
05.14.31 #       <godzirra> In this channel?
05.14.38 #       <godzirra> Nah, I have a bzizllion channels open.  I'm always here, but often afk.
05.14.41 #       <chis00854r> yah those homebrew ice teas are amazing
05.14.44 #       <godzirra> I pop back in once in a while.
05.15.06 #       <chis00854r> week 2 in windows and its locking up :P
05.15.07 #       <godzirra> and the homebrew chat caught my attention ;)
05.15.15 #       <godzirra> Week 2 in windows?
05.15.16 #       <chis00854r> haha
05.15.17 #       <godzirra> You just switched to windows?
05.15.22 #       <chis00854r> yah i dont like the experince
05.15.25 #       <yipe> homebrew ice teas?
05.15.30 #       <chis00854r> haha yah yipe
05.15.30 #       <godzirra> what'd you switch from?
05.15.38 #       <yipe> what does that mean?
05.15.38 #       <chis00854r> linux to windows
05.15.40 #       <godzirra> Dear  gods, why?
05.15.51 #       <chis00854r> haha its a terible experince windows
05.15.53 #       <yipe> chis00854r we're not friends anymore
05.15.55 #       <godzirra> The only reason I know of to use windows is for my wintendo.
05.16.01 #       <chis00854r> i already have popup problems
05.16.03 #       <godzirra> my windows box is for games.
05.16.09 #       <godzirra> And for sshing into my linux box.
05.16.10 #       <godzirra> =)
05.16.14 #       <chis00854r> same here godzirra
05.16.15 #       <godzirra> chis00854r: use firefox.
05.16.19 #       <godzirra> no popups.  Mostly.
05.16.19 #       <chis00854r> i may install vmware
05.16.31 #       <chis00854r> i know about opensource ;) installed it
05.16.37 #       <yipe> you know the earth is bipolar?
05.16.44 #       <chis00854r> none godzirra
05.16.47 #       <chis00854r> ;)
05.16.49 #       <godzirra> yipe: Yes.  Its depressed lately.
05.16.59 #       <chis00854r> yipe want the recipe?
05.17.17 #       <yipe> I think I know how to make tea
05.17.24 #       <godzirra> Anyone can make tea.
05.17.26 #       <godzirra> Just like anyone can make beer.
05.17.33 #       <godzirra> It takes talent to make -good- tea though.
05.17.50 #       <chis00854r> http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink219.html
05.17.52 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.17.54 #       <yipe> 1boil water, 2. add tea leaves, 3 (optional) add sugar and or milk to taste, 4 (optional) add ice
05.18.03 #       <chis00854r> thats the real way
05.18.04 #       <chis00854r> lol
05.18.09 #       <godzirra> Sun tea is apparently really good.
05.18.15 #       <yipe> blah
05.18.17 #       <godzirra> My mom used to make it back when I lived in vegas.
05.18.22 #       <godzirra> I can't stand tea personally.
05.18.31 #       <chis00854r> godzirra check out http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink219.html
05.18.32 #       <godzirra> unless its hot orange tea with enough honey to rot my brain.
05.18.35 #       <yipe> I hate the tea my countrymen drink, I should be british for my taste in tea
05.18.36 #       <chis00854r> impress ur mom ;)
05.18.51 #       <chis00854r> see what happens
05.19.10 #       <godzirra> chis00854r: that sounds really good if you took out the tea part.
05.19.13 #       <godzirra> ;)
05.19.17 #       <chis00854r> haha
05.19.29 #       <godzirra> Peach SoCo?  Thats disturbing.
05.19.32 #       <godzirra> anyways, afkish again.
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05.19.41 #       <chis00854r> i enjoy it infact why not make some for all of us!
05.20.01 #       * chis00854r passes godzirra a drink :)
05.20.13 #       <chis00854r> soap want one? :)
05.20.29 #       <chis00854r> hes fine just fine with the beer ;)
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05.21.32 #       <chis00854r> godzirra just curious does most of your games work in transgamming?
05.21.56 #       <chis00854r> cedega ?
05.22.07 #       <godzirra> never tried it.
05.22.36 #       <chis00854r> they have a website with games that it supports
05.22.50 #       <chis00854r> what linux distrubution did you have?
05.23.00 #       <chis00854r> i love ubuntu
05.23.22 #       <chis00854r> all my webhosting sh*t is on there
05.23.31 #       <chis00854r> ftp, http :)
05.23.53 #       <chis00854r> Soap 10 mins to go!
05.23.55 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.28.27 #       <Soap> do a " ipodpatcher -w 1 bootpartition.bin" once again when the file transfer is finished.
05.28.32 #       <Soap> and reboot
05.28.43 #       <Soap> and make sure you ipod boots stock firmware properly.
05.29.07 #       <chis00854r> replace the file?
05.29.08 #       <Soap> since you have my bootpartion.bin, you do not need to do the  ipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin step ever again.
05.29.31 #       <chis00854r> ipod boots stock firmware properly. ?
05.29.37 #       <chis00854r> what does that mean?
05.29.54 #       <Soap> (notice the difference between w (write (to ipod)) and r (read (from ipod))).
05.30.08 #       <godzirra> Soap: working on 5.5g's, or 5gs?
05.30.18 #       <chis00854r> 60gbs :)
05.30.23 #       <godzirra> ah 5g's.
05.30.26 #       <Soap> godzirra - he floxored his 5g
05.30.33 #       <godzirra> chis00854r: the new ipod videos are called 5.5g's for 5.5 generation
05.30.39 #       <godzirra> the older video ipods are 5g's, for 5th generation
05.30.41 #       <chis00854r> oh ok
05.30.47 #       <godzirra> 60 gigs are all 5th gen
05.30.52 #       <Soap> 60 Giga Byte
05.30.52 #       <godzirra> 30's can be 5th or 5.5
05.30.57 #       <godzirra> 80's are all 5.5g
05.31.00 #       <godzirra> g = generation
05.31.01 #       <Soap> not bit
05.31.05 #       <chis00854r> ok
05.31.06 #       <godzirra> Oh him :)
05.31.06 #       <godzirra> sorry
05.31.07 #       <godzirra> hehe
05.31.33 #       <Soap> little b Byte kills me.
05.31.39 #       <godzirra> lol
05.36.44 #       <chis00854r> ok ok !!!
05.36.45 #       <chis00854r> its done
05.36.46 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.36.55 #       <chis00854r> ok delete the old file
05.37.07 #       <chis00854r> correct soap? :)
05.37.14 #       <Soap> yea
05.37.38 #       <godzirra> I wish someone could figure out what the deal with the 5.5 is.  I thought Kalthare was a few days away.
05.38.16 #       <chis00854r> ok its done
05.38.20 #       <chis00854r> now type in that command
05.38.30 #       <Soap> the -w command
05.38.38 #       <chis00854r> on the ipod it says do not disconnect
05.38.42 #       <chis00854r> ok doing that now
05.38.43 #       <Soap> you don't need to do the -r command again ever.
05.38.59 #       <Soap> since in effect I've done it for you.
05.39.02 #       <chis00854r> ok so what would the command be?
05.39.10 #       <chis00854r> thanks soap :)
05.39.57 #       <chis00854r> ipodpatcher 1 bootpartition.bin
05.39.58 #       <chis00854r> ?
05.40.28 #       <chis00854r> ok
05.40.36 #       <chis00854r> next command?
05.40.45 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05.40.45 #       <Soap> no
05.40.53 #       <chis00854r> no?
05.41.07 #       <chis00854r> ok let me delete it again and start over
05.41.07 #       <Soap> ipodpatcher -w 1 bootpartition.bin
05.41.18 #       <chis00854r> ok deleting the file again
05.41.29 #       <chis00854r> starting over
05.41.44 #       <Soap> I'm starting to suspect your failure to follow the instructions to-the-letter is the cause of your problems.
05.42.13 #       <chis00854r> ok
05.42.25 #       <chis00854r> its writing input file to device
05.43.44 #       <Soap> after that is done you should safely disconnect your ipod and trial boot it to make sure we have restored your ipod to stock condition.
05.44.02 #       <chis00854r> ok ..
05.44.22 #       <linuxstb> Also, make a copy of Soap's bootpartition.bin somewhere safe.
05.44.32 #       <chis00854r> ok safely disconnect my ipod using that icon near the icon?
05.44.36 #       <chis00854r> near the clock*
05.44.47 #       <Soap> yea, that will do it.
05.44.59 #       <chis00854r> usb mass storage device?
05.45.32 #       <Soap> I assume, I don't know what all you have attached.
05.45.48 #       <chis00854r> yah thats it not done yet..
05.47.35 #       <chis00854r> ok
05.48.03 #       <chis00854r> have the apple in back
05.48.06 #       <chis00854r> now remove?
05.48.18 #       <chis00854r> ok
05.48.19 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.48.30 #       <chis00854r> still apple and black back ground
05.48.41 #       <chis00854r> background*
05.49.01 #       <chis00854r> wow!
05.49.08 #       <chis00854r> ur amzing Soap!!! "_
05.49.10 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.49.20 #       <Soap> ok, so your ipod is back to stock.
05.49.25 #       <Soap> On with the rockbox install
05.49.28 #       <chis00854r> yes :))
05.49.33 #       <Soap> refer back to the wiki page.
05.49.50 #       <Soap> you need to resume the install with instruction Step 1, d.1)
05.50.29 #       <chis00854r> could  you just tell me the commands :|
05.50.35 #       <chis00854r> ...
05.50.42 #       <chis00854r> please i dont want to screw up
05.50.46 #       <Soap> I couldn't tell you better than the wiki page.
05.50.59 #       <chis00854r> well ill connect it now ok?
05.51.11 #       <Soap> do step 1, d.1 and tell me how large your apple_os.bin file is.
05.51.25 #       <chis00854r> ok where do i download that?
05.51.37 #       <chis00854r> oh i see it
05.51.38 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.51.45 #       <chis00854r> rockbox folder
05.51.48 #       <chis00854r> 1kb
05.52.17 #       <Soap> ?
05.52.28 #       <chis00854r> maybe not
05.52.31 #       <chis00854r> :|
05.52.36 #       <Soap> delete apple_os.bin and do the step again.
05.52.44 #       <chis00854r> what step?
05.52.51 #       <chis00854r> oh i need to open wiki
05.52.53 #       <Soap> step 1, sub-step d.1
05.53.15 #       <chis00854r> just wait a min till i find the site
05.53.46 #       <chis00854r> ok
05.54.36 #       <chis00854r> 6,305 kb
05.55.02 #       <Soap> good enough
05.55.07 #       <chis00854r> ok great
05.55.09 #       <chis00854r> :)
05.55.09 #       <Soap> step d.2
05.55.47 #       <chis00854r> how do i do it?
05.55.59 #       <chis00854r> nevermind
05.56.08 #       <chis00854r> was below
05.56.25 #       <myzar> GODZIRRA
05.56.33 #       <chis00854r> 5,121kb
05.56.39 #       <myzar> CONTRIBUTE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND HELP US GET 5.5 IPODS WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05.56.42 #       <myzar> ;o
05.57.12 #       <chis00854r> all set to do a safe disconnect? :)
05.57.25 #       <chis00854r> rockbox-ipodvideo-20061021 i have that folder?
05.57.26 #       <Soap> why do you ask that?
05.57.45 #       <chis00854r>  i didn't
05.57.49 #       <chis00854r> do the command? ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin
05.57.58 #       <Soap> why are you skipping step E?
05.58.17 #       <chis00854r> ok what step am i now ?
05.58.25 #       <Soap> what one did you just complete?
05.58.41 #       <Soap> D.2, corrent?
05.58.43 #       * Soap nods
05.58.45 #       <chis00854r>  step d.2
05.58.47 #       <chis00854r> yes
05.58.57 #       <Soap> ok, E comes after D, not F.
05.59.02 #       <Soap> what is the step E you need to do?
05.59.06 #       <chis00854r> ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin
05.59.17 #       <Soap> that is step F
05.59.37 #       <chis00854r> opps
05.59.48 #       <chis00854r> sorry
05.59.56 #       <Soap> there is a different step E depending on what model you own.
06.00.16 #       <chis00854r> ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin ?
06.00.35 #       <Soap> do you have a nano?
06.00.44 #       <chis00854r> ipod 60gb
06.00.50 #       <Soap> is that a nano?
06.00.55 #       <chis00854r> not sure
06.00.59 #       <chis00854r> 5g?
06.01.12 #       <Soap> that is a 5g / aka "video"
06.01.20 #       <chis00854r> ok
06.01.32 #       <Soap> did you download the proper bootloader .bin file?
06.01.40 #       <Soap> or did you download the bootloader-nano.bin?
06.01.42 #       <chis00854r> going to now
06.01.47 #       <chis00854r> nano one :|
06.03.30 #       <chis00854r> if i could find a link
06.03.47 #       <chis00854r>  	 ipod_fw.exe for Windows (executable) Patched for 5.5G (Use only for 5.5G)
06.04.01 #       <chis00854r> i have to start all over again?
06.04.18 #       <Soap> no
06.04.21 #       <Soap> ignore that
06.04.23 #       <Soap> step 1 A
06.04.26 #       <chis00854r> ok
06.04.26 #       <Soap> http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-video.bin
06.05.04 #       <Soap> you don't have a 5.5g, you have a 5g.  A fifth generation (main) ipod.  Not a nano, not a mini, the full sized ipod.
06.05.06 #       <chis00854r> ok
06.05.22 #       <chis00854r> mines a 60gb
06.05.28 #       <chis00854r> ok
06.05.32 #       <yipe> what's the difference between 5g and 5.5g?
06.05.37 #       <yipe> and don't say .5
06.06.06 #       <Soap> yipe the 5.5g is the "common" name given by the ipod community to the "late 2006" ipod video as it is called by apple.
06.06.27 #       <Soap> The one with the "40%" brighter screen and a search function in the apple firmware.
06.06.29 #       <yipe> well what's the difference?
06.06.37 #       <yipe> ah
06.06.39 #       <myzar> it's the new ipod
06.06.47 #       <PaulJam> maybe that part of the page could be arranged a little bit differently. you can easily read it as: "bootloader-nano.bin, for iPod Video/5G users"
06.06.50 #       <Soap> 40% brighter screen, search function, and 2048 vs 512 sectors.
06.06.56 #       <chis00854r> im so confused
06.06.59 #       <myzar> rockbox doesn't work on it yet
06.07.00 #       <yipe> except for the screen bit, can you update the apple firmware to get the search function?
06.07.01 #       <chis00854r> whats the command i use?
06.07.06 #       <yipe> I bet not.... apple is jerks
06.07.10 #       <myzar> no
06.07.11 #       <chis00854r> i bought mine in the summer
06.07.13 #       <myzar> you need the new ipod
06.07.18 #       <myzar> for the new search function
06.07.21 #       <yipe> what jerks
06.07.24 #       <myzar> the new sectors is what makes it work
06.07.25 #       * yipe has a 5g
06.07.37 #       <yipe> and I just bought it a month ago
06.07.38 #       <myzar> without them, the drive drains the battery, i hear
06.08.02 #       <chis00854r> ipodpatcher -w 1 bootloader-video.bin
06.08.25 #       <chis00854r> soap is that correct?
06.08.29 #       <PaulJam> no
06.08.35 #       <chis00854r> no?
06.09.11 #       <PaulJam> "ipodpatcher -w 1 bootloader-video.bin" is not correct
06.09.22 #       <chis00854r> ok
06.09.25 #       <chis00854r> what is then?
06.09.46 #       <Soap> step E
06.09.57 #       <chis00854r> you said...
06.10.09 #       <chis00854r> <Soap> ignore that
06.10.09 #       <chis00854r> <Soap> step 1 A
06.10.16 #       <chis00854r> ok..
06.10.57 #       <chis00854r> ok ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin ?
06.11.09 #       <myzar> not to be a troll or anything
06.11.20 #       <myzar> but if you cannot follow the instructions on the page
06.11.32 #       <PaulJam> looks good
06.11.33 #       <myzar> you probably shouldn't be using rockbox, for the simple reason that if you mess up
06.11.40 #       <myzar> you are on your own
06.11.50 #       <Soap> ipod is neigh unbrickable.
06.11.59 #       <myzar> it is now
06.12.08 #       <chis00854r> ok what command?
06.12.10 #       <chis00854r> ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin  ???
06.12.19 #       <myzar> chis00854r, from the top to the bottom
06.12.25 #       <myzar> just use the instructions for your ipod
06.12.31 #       <chis00854r> ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
06.12.36 #       <chis00854r> no nano
06.12.40 #       <myzar> you aren't skipping any steps and you just do it from the top to the bottom
06.12.41 #       <chis00854r> so its the first command i said
06.12.42 #       <chis00854r> :)
06.12.49 #       <myzar> you have a 5g ipod?
06.12.59 #       <chis00854r> 60gb ipod i guess
06.13.04 #       <Soap> GB
06.13.12 #       <Soap> B=byte
06.13.13 #       <myzar> http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
06.13.14 #       <Soap> b=bit
06.13.29 #       <myzar> he is right.
06.13.33 #       <myzar> 5g is generation
06.13.34 #       <chis00854r> ok its loading
06.13.36 #       <chis00854r> all set
06.13.37 #       <myzar> _G is byte
06.13.39 #       <myzar> _g is bit
06.14.01 #       <myzar> understood, chis00854r?
06.14.12 #       <myzar> it's as simple as copy pasting what is on the screen into the command prompt
06.14.17 #       <Soap> myzar - you aren't helping the situation.
06.14.22 #       <Soap> we were going fine.
06.14.26 #       <chis00854r> ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin
06.14.29 #       <myzar> Soap
06.14.31 #       <chis00854r> right?
06.14.38 #       <myzar> if you cannot follow a command prompt with clear instructions
06.14.41 #       <Soap> chis00854r - what does the line above that command say?
06.14.45 #       <myzar> you probably shouldn't be voiding your ipod's warrenty anyways
06.14.54 #       <Soap> "replace N with the number you discovered earlier"
06.14.56 #       <myzar> let alone doing something which relies on the public doing code edits
06.15.09 #       <myzar> to further progress of the project
06.15.12 #       <chis00854r> it generating firmware image compatible with ipod video!
06.15.13 #       <chis00854r> :)
06.15.15 #       <chis00854r> ok
06.15.19 #       <chis00854r> then ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin ?
06.15.28 #       <chis00854r> opps
06.15.31 #       <chis00854r> then ipodpatcher -w 1 rockboot.bin ?
06.15.32 #       <linuxstb> First, how big is your rockboot.bin?
06.15.33 #       <chis00854r> ;)
06.15.35 #       <Soap> replacing N with the number you discovered earlier, which was 1, correct.
06.15.48 #       <chis00854r> 11,494kb
06.15.57 #       <Soap> that's the right size.
06.16.03 #       <myzar> go ahead and write it chis00854r
06.16.07 #       <myzar> your installation is complete
06.16.11 #       <chis00854r> alright awesome
06.16.21 #       <chis00854r> now what would be the next step? safe remove?
06.16.29 #       <chis00854r> safe remove?
06.16.30 #       <Soap> if you want to test the bootloader.
06.16.36 #       <chis00854r> should i?
06.16.38 #       <Soap> Which is all you have installed.
06.16.52 #       <chis00854r> well skip it
06.16.58 #       <Soap> I would say no, as we have verified every file size every step of the way.
06.17.08 #       <chis00854r> whats the last step?
06.17.18 #       <chis00854r> i downloaded the software
06.17.25 #       <chis00854r> rockbox-ipodvideo-20061021
06.17.40 #       <chis00854r> i dont know how to install ...
06.17.43 #       <Soap> last step is step 4 - enjoy rockbox.
06.17.57 #       <Soap> step 3 is download and read the manual.  I can't stress this step enough.
06.18.27 #       <chis00854r> ok ill try it..
06.18.32 #       <Soap> Step 2 is the _next_ step.  You need to extract the .zip file (rockbox-ipodvideo-20061021) to the root of your ipod.
06.18.41 #       <chis00854r> ohh ok
06.19.09 #       <Soap> Not to get ahead of me, but I know your first question is going to be how do you play your music copied over from itunes, and the answer is Tag Cache in the manual.
06.19.40 #       <chis00854r> i see
06.19.46 #       <chis00854r> another days work ;)
06.20.10 #       <chis00854r> wow
06.20.16 #       <chis00854r> its so ugly
06.20.17 #       <chis00854r> lol
06.20.18 #       <Soap> but first things first, you need to extract the zip file to the root of your ipod.
06.20.30 #       <Soap> ahh, you have rockbox installed and booted then?
06.20.46 #       <chis00854r> yah
06.21.36 #       <Soap> ok, download and install the font package from the download page.
06.22.07 #       <Soap> the same way you installed the daily build (rockbox-ipodvideo-20061021)  (by extracting it to the root of your ipod)
06.22.31 #       <chis00854r> ok
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06.23.00 #       <PaulJam> btw, is there any reason why iCatcher isn't the default theme for swcodec targets? i think it would be less scary for first time users.
06.23.22 #       <chis00854r> well looking for the font page
06.23.52 #       <Soap> daily build download page
06.24.07 #       <Soap> last item.
06.24.51 #       <chis00854r> ipod_fw.exe
06.24.52 #       <chis00854r> ?
06.25.07 #       <Soap> http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
06.25.16 #       <chis00854r> haha ok
06.25.49 #       <chis00854r> ok
06.26.02 #       <[sellout]> Anyone have any status on ipod nano gen2?
06.26.23 #       <Soap> [sellout] - nothing
06.26.55 #       <[sellout]> Soap, I know it does not work, but I am wondering if anyone knows why it does not work, how much the hardware changed, or what help is needed.
06.27.03 #       <chis00854r> ipod wont turn on it
06.27.11 #       <chis00854r> like wont work
06.27.25 #       <Soap> the firmware is encrypted [sellout], until that egg is cracked there will be next to no progress
06.27.34 #       <[sellout]> I am about to purchase one tommrow so i would be glad to lend any help..including taking the new one apart and getting specs if they are still needed.
06.27.39 #       <[sellout]> Encrypted?!?
06.27.47 #       <[sellout]> what the hell.
06.27.49 #       <linuxstb> [sellout]: 1) The firmware is encrypted, meaning a) We can't disassemble it to reverse-engineer; b) We can't run our own code on the ipod until we can encrypt our own code using the same encryption.
06.28.06 #       <chis00854r> ipod isnt working now at all..
06.28.08 #       <[sellout]> Harsh.
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06.28.21 #       <[sellout]> What kind of encryption, do we know?
06.28.30 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> hello
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06.28.40 #       <Soap> chis00854r - what did you do between saying "ugly" and saying it won't turn on?
06.28.51 #       <[sellout]> I have a friend who is an encryption genious, that is all he does, he would love a new type of encryption to hammer.
06.29.03 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> quick qeustion with a video Ipod 5th generation is it possibleto port an snes emulator on to rockbox
06.29.03 #       <chis00854r> i did  nothing
06.29.08 #       <chis00854r> will ill reboot maybe
06.29.15 #       <linuxstb> 2) The main system-on-a-chip has changed from PortalPlayer to Samsung - meaning all the low-level drivers (ATA, i2c, i2s etc) won't work.  So it's basically a brand new port and almost none of the existing ipod code will help.
06.29.37 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> im a noob so is that a no?
06.29.53 #       <Soap> chis00854r - you did nothing?  Did the battery die?
06.29.54 #       <[sellout]> linuxstb, ...ouch
06.30.04 #       <chis00854r> Soap i turned it off...
06.30.16 #       <linuxstb> [sellout]: Then set him loose on the Nano.  Once the firmware is decrypted, I'm sure progress will be made - but that's a hard nut to crack.
06.30.16 #       <[sellout]> So basically it means starting from scratch...after a way to get to the code is figured out.
06.30.23 #       <Soap> and when you plug it into your computer to load the font package?
06.30.34 #       <chis00854r> and now i tried connecting it to usb and now it wont turn on when connected to usb
06.30.35 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> hmmm
06.30.36 #       <chis00854r> :|
06.30.51 #       <Soap> chis00854r - I suspect your battery is deeply discharged.
06.30.52 #       <[sellout]> linuxstb, do you know anything about the encryption? IS it  propriatary or a known scheme?
06.30.55 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> im sure the 5g can handle snes from what i know about processor speed
06.31.04 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> i know C++
06.31.09 #       <chis00854r> was full..
06.31.11 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> an basic programing
06.31.29 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> im more than the average person
06.31.33 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> not full geek tho
06.31.39 #       <chis00854r> going to restart
06.31.57 #       <Soap> chis00854r - toggle the hold swith on, then off again, them press and hold menu and the center button (select) at the same time.
06.31.58 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> just a pissed off guy who spent his money on a dam apple an hated the OS so switched to RB
06.31.59 #       <[sellout]> SPikeyotwistyo, unless you at least run linux, your not even partially geek. ;-)
06.32.11 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> ooo
06.32.14 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> ya i know
06.32.20 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> im a wanna bie geek
06.32.34 #       <linuxstb> [sellout]: No, I have no idea.  If your friend is serious, he should probably talk to leachbj - the original ipodlinux developer.  I think he's working on the 2nd gen Nano.  He's sometimes in this channel, or #ipodlinux.
06.32.47 #       <[sellout]> SPikeyotwistyo, ubuntu.org...learn the noob linux...then downlaod a real life, like gentoo, or build our own from vanilla source.
06.32.51 #       <[sellout]> Then you can be a geek.
06.32.57 #       <[sellout]> :-)
06.33.06 #       <[sellout]> Now you owe me 250$ for my advice
06.33.07 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> thanks for the site ill check it out
06.33.08 #       <chis00854r> so down hold down then let go then down again let go  then center hold?
06.33.10 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> dammit
06.33.11 #       <[sellout]> see...geeks are allowed to do that.
06.33.15 #       <[sellout]> ^_^
06.33.16 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> geeks really do make moremoney
06.33.30 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> lol
06.33.48 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> my girlfriend made me quit W0W because i wouldnt talk to her while i was in it
06.33.48 #       <Soap> chis00854r - hold is a slide switch, slide it to the right, then back to the left.
06.34.04 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> that thing always makes me think its gonna break
06.34.04 #       <Soap> then press AND HOLD menu and the center button at the same time.
06.34.14 #       <[sellout]> lini, oh leach is working on it? ok cool i know him, I went though a dozen ipod 4gs when he was working on them and testing his and courtcs code.
06.34.23 #       <[sellout]> I will take it up with him then, thanks.
06.34.40 #       <linuxstb> SPikeyotwistyo: All the ipods have dual 75MHz arm7tdmi processors.
06.34.51 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> really?>
06.35.13 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> the guy at the store toldme the base mhz were in the 160s on 5gs
06.35.15 #       <linuxstb> (except the Shuffle and 2nd Gen Nano)
06.35.18 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> soi assumed
06.35.22 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> the real speed was
06.35.27 #       <chis00854r> nothing...
06.35.32 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> around 100-110
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06.35.57 #       <Mattx> Hey.
06.35.59 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> how much speed we need for snes
06.36.03 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> hello!
06.36.08 #       <Mattx> Can anyone help me with my new gigabeat f40?
06.36.21 #       <Soap> chis00854r I doubt it was fully charged.  leave it plugged into a powered USB port for 1/2 an hour at least before trying again.
06.36.30 #       <Bossier> To whom it may concern: I would like to be added to TwikiUsersGroup (I'm TravisTooke) so that I may add to the CVS page.
06.36.50 #       <linuxstb> The 5g also has a completely undocumented (and hence unused in Rockbox) Broadcom video processor.  I think that runs at > 100MHz, but as I said, there is no documentation available about how to use it.
06.36.58 #       <[sellout]> Anyone know when someones going to write a drag and drop firmware for shuffles?
06.37.00 #       <[sellout]> ^_^
06.37.08 #       <Mattx> Can anyone help me with my new gigabeat f40?
06.37.26 #       <chis00854r> need a cig
06.37.27 #       <chis00854r> :)
06.37.41 #       <Mattx> I get the satanic System Error: 00000020
06.37.41 #       <PaulJam> rockbox doesn't support the gigabeat yet
06.38.05 #       <Mattx> Somebody told me i should try asking about it here >>
06.38.41 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> well
06.38.52 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> the 5gs have alot of potential
06.38.58 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> im excited
06.39.00 #       <linuxstb> SPikeyotwistyo: What CPU(s) does the SNES have, and what speed do they run at?  Other emulators that work at reasonable speeds in Rockbox are all Z80s running at a few MHz.
06.39.05 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> im gonna work on porting snes
06.39.24 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> ill check cant be more then 15-20 or so
06.39.35 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> cause the playstation one is 32 mb
06.39.50 #       <PaulJam> mb?
06.39.52 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> if i remeber correctly
06.39.52 #       <Soap> isn't the rule-of-thumb you need an order of magnitude more processor to emulate?
06.40.06 #       <Bossier> Oh well...if not me then somebody that actually is a member should add the -D description to that page and that using the Cygwin bash shell greatly decreases the chances of a premature cutoff: 'dying gasps'
06.40.13 #       <Mattx> Isn't it 16?
06.40.28 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> is it
06.40.30 #       <Bossier> I tried....bye all
06.40.31 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> it might be
06.40.36 #       <Mattx> i'm pretty sure it is.
06.40.37 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> ill check dam
06.40.39 #       <Mattx> NES was 8
06.40.46 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> my mems more fed up then usual
06.40.47 #       <Mattx> double that
06.40.49 #       <Mattx> and its super.
06.40.51 #       <Soap> and we don't have a NES emmulator.
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06.41.37 #       <Mattx> so.. nobody can help me with my gigabeat?
06.41.57 #       <Soap> Excuse me for saying "we" I haven't written a line of code, I can't say "we"
06.42.20 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> hell peoplewith videos should write it
06.42.33 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> the thing is no body has videos yet
06.42.39 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> they been out for a year
06.42.45 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> an peoplekeep focusing on nanos
06.43.04 #       <Soap> ?
06.43.13 #       <SPikeyotwistyo>     * CPU:  Nintendo 2AO3 8 bit processor running at 1.79MHz
06.43.48 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> CPU:  WDC 65C816 16 bit processor running at 3.58 MHz, with 16 KB of RAM
06.44.07 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> that last one is the snes
06.44.13 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> the 1st one is the NES
06.44.24 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> quite atainable for a video
06.44.25 #       <Soap> that might be doable.
06.44.43 #       <linuxstb> Do they have separate graphics processors?
06.44.45 #       <Soap> less obtainable for the video than for the photo.
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06.44.53 #       <Soap> the video has that much more screen to drive.
06.45.05 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> mmm
06.45.14 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> but we also have the extra processor
06.45.22 #       <Soap> extra compared to what?
06.45.24 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> ill check videos stats
06.45.29 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> to photo
06.45.38 #       <Soap> not an usable extra one.
06.45.39 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> an video
06.45.43 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> true
06.45.50 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> but if they figure itt out
06.46.01 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> which someone somewhere is trying
06.46.22 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> we may even be abole to port a playstation game but how wellg et controls worked out i dont know
06.46.23 #       <Soap> they are both dual-core ARMs, the ipod 5g's seperate video processing chip hasn't been touched by rockbox, and might never get touched.
06.46.41 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> im telling you someone will use it
06.46.48 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> its laws of technology
06.46.52 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> if its possible
06.46.52 #       <Soap> SPikeyotwistyo - you barely have enough buttons for a NES controller, a PS controller has even more doesn't it?
06.47.00 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> no
06.47.05 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> yes
06.47.10 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> but no more than snes
06.47.21 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> which i dont know how they would do that one either
06.47.29 #       <Soap> look at an ipod, tell me how you will assign all the SNES buttons?
06.47.40 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> double clicks
06.47.48 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> for the less used ones
06.48.12 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> start/select can be put on one button
06.48.18 #       <PaulJam> i thought snes has the same buttons like a gameboy
06.48.24 #       <chis00854r> rockbock ruined my ipod :}
06.48.24 #       <Soap> You have only five pressable buttons.  Up, down, left, right, A and ?????
06.48.26 #       <chis00854r> :|
06.48.28 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> know
06.48.43 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> a b xy
06.48.48 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> plus L R
06.48.53 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> 6 buttons
06.48.58 #       <funky> start + select
06.48.58 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> plus directional
06.49.03 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> 8
06.49.09 #       <Soap> Ipod has 5 buttons plus hold.
06.49.18 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> well
06.49.24 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> technicall
06.49.25 #       <Soap> SNES has 10
06.49.40 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> ya
06.49.41 #       <Soap> and start / select
06.49.47 #       <PaulJam> you could maybe use the 45° positions on the wheel
06.49.55 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> ya
06.50.04 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> an start/select can be one button
06.50.14 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> it has to be functional not perfect
06.50.18 #       <Soap> ok discount hold and that gives you 9 buttons on an ipod.
06.50.19 #       * chis00854r very upset with rockbox
06.50.24 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> i just want it to play old rpgs
06.50.33 #       <Soap> chis00854r has a dead battery and needs to chill while it charges.
06.50.41 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> whcich are directional buttons a and b
06.50.51 #       <chis00854r> its not a deadbattery because it would say do not disconnect
06.51.02 #       <Soap> chis00854r - not a totally dead battery.
06.51.04 #       <myzar> see, chis00854r
06.51.08 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> cause wouldnt itr be awseome to play old FF 6 on your ipod
06.51.13 #       <myzar> and everyone else, especially Soap
06.51.16 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> that was my dream
06.51.19 #       <myzar> if you cannot follow instructions clearly
06.51.24 #       <Soap> I'd rather play Ultima III - Exodus.
06.51.26 #       <myzar> you shouldn't void your warrenty and risk an ipod
06.51.30 #       <chis00854r> it would have warned me
06.51.32 #       <Soap> need to port the Apple ][e emulator.
06.51.41 #       <Soap> chis00854r - not in rockbox it wouldn't have.
06.51.46 #       <myzar> if the size was correct and you really did everything right, there is NO way rockbox could do a thing to the ipod
06.51.57 #       <chis00854r> but windows didnt find the ipod
06.51.58 #       <Soap> chis00854r - no one has yet bricked their ipod with rockbox, you would be a pioneer.
06.52.07 #       <myzar> chis00854r, you can always plug it in or force disk mode
06.52.09 #       <myzar> and restore it
06.52.17 #       <myzar> erasing anything you did to it when installing rockbox
06.52.31 #       <Soap> chis00854r - windows didn't find it because it hasnt' booted into disk mode because the frickin' battery is dead.
06.52.42 #       <myzar> charge your battery and boot into disk mode
06.52.42 #       <myzar> or
06.52.51 #       <funky> does anyone in here have tried to install ipodlinux on an ipod where apple + rockbox is already installed?
06.52.53 #       <Soap> just wait with it plugged in,.
06.52.59 #       <myzar> plug it into the wall, boot into disk mode, then swith quickly to the pc
06.53.16 #       <chis00854r> i see it could be like a small percentage like 18 % dead and it will take a hour to load...
06.53.24 #       <chis00854r> why is it such a long wait..
06.53.34 #       <chis00854r> we need developers
06.53.40 #       <Soap> you need paitence
06.53.45 #       <myzar> because this community
06.53.48 #       <chis00854r> ok ok
06.53.50 #       <myzar> as well as any open source community
06.53.58 #       <myzar> works off the fact that users submit bug reports
06.54.01 #       <myzar> and try to fix it themselves
06.54.08 #       <myzar> this is why firefox is better than microsoft
06.54.13 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> true
06.54.19 #       <myzar> because the millions of people that use firefox can patch it when a bug is found
06.54.19 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> allpraisemozilla
06.54.34 #       <myzar> whereas microsoft only has at most a few hundred programmers that only work 8 hours a day
06.54.35 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> all hail mozilla!
06.54.37 #       <myzar> monday through friday
06.55.02 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> are yo being sarcastic>
06.55.05 #       <myzar> no
06.55.07 #       <linuxstb> funky: ipodlinux requires your  ipod to be repartitioned, so it's easier to just restore using itunes, install IPL using the IPL GUI installer, and then just unzip the latest rockbox.zip to your ipod (the IPL bootloader will detect and boot it).
06.55.08 #       <myzar> it's quite true
06.55.25 #       <myzar> open source can be fixed by anyone
06.55.38 #       <myzar> and closed source can only be fixed when the company deems it so, on their time
06.55.49 #       <funky> linuxstb: so the order is, apple firm, ipl, rockbox
06.55.55 #       <funky> using loader2
06.56.18 #       <funky> ok, thx
06.56.29 #       <chis00854r> soap what time is it for you?
06.56.34 #       <linuxstb> funky: Exactly.  It's possible to do it in another order, but you need to manually install IPL, and repartition without losing the existing Rockbox install.
06.57.16 #       <funky> well, I could try to it, but I think I'll finish earlier if I just start from scratch again
06.57.24 #       <Soap> chis00854r -1 am
06.57.34 #       <chis00854r> same here
06.57.36 #       <chis00854r> :)
06.57.42 #       <chis00854r> what state you from?
06.57.48 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> Georgia!
06.57.56 #       <Soap> unplug, toggle hold, press and hold menu+select
06.58.01 #       <Soap> chis00854r - Ohio
06.58.05 #       <chis00854r> not sayCT
06.58.10 #       <chis00854r> sry
06.58.11 #       <chis00854r> CT
06.58.13 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> by the way i was so right playstation is 32 bits
06.58.27 #       <SPikeyotwistyo> my memory is still here
06.58.34 #       <chis00854r> worked!
06.58.43 #       <chis00854r> amazing ;)
06.59.07 #       <chis00854r> your the best soap
06.59.19 #       <myzar> you're*
06.59.34 #       <linuxstb> chis00854r: Out of curiousity, why are you installing Rockbox?
06.59.52 #       <linuxstb> I mean what features are you interested in?
06.59.56 #       <chis00854r> i saw a theme i liked
07.00.01 #       <chis00854r> now its working
07.00.03 #       <chis00854r> :)
07.00.04 #       <chis00854r> ok
07.00.09 #       <chis00854r> copy the fonts
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07.00.59 #       <chis00854r> does rockbox slow down your computer?
07.01.20 #       <Soap> chis00854r - seeing as it is not installed on your computer it would be hard pressed to.
07.02.02 #       <myzar> rockbox is installed on the iPod
07.02.10 #       <myzar> how can it slow down a computer?
07.02.11 #       <myzar> :P
07.02.31 #       <chis00854r> well everytime i connect the ipod into the usb it slows everything down
07.03.09 #       <chis00854r> its fine.. ctrl alt delete works when closing explorer.exe
07.03.10 #       <Soap> part of that is windows
07.03.12 #       <chis00854r> then running it again
07.03.17 #       <Soap> part of that might be your virus scanner
07.03.30 #       <chis00854r> i see
07.04.39 #       <chis00854r> is there a way to get themes?
07.04.44 #       <chis00854r> afterwards ..
07.04.54 #       <chis00854r> right now the comuter is frozen
07.04.58 #       <Soap> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
07.05.04 #       <Soap> after you install the font package.
07.05.19 #       <chis00854r> ok cool
07.05.22 #       <Soap> none of the themes with album art will work on your ipod right now
07.05.36 #       <Soap> none of the ones with scrolling margins will work on your ipod right now
07.05.44 #       <Soap> the jclix ones won't either.
07.06.21 #       <funky> scrolling margins ?
07.06.29 #       <Soap> in general, read the fine print below the pretty picture you like.  The theme's author should have mentioned if special patches are required to use the theme.
07.06.40 #       <chis00854r> got the fonts
07.06.50 #       <Soap> funky - a patch to set margins/limits on a scrolling text line.
07.07.11 #       <funky> aha, didnt know
07.07.37 #       <chis00854r> so i could download the themes and copy it to the root of the ipod?
07.07.49 #       <chis00854r> well extract it first
07.08.35 #       <Soap> yes, extract it to the root of your ipod (assuming the theme was packaged correctly, but that is a topic for another day)
07.08.43 #       <Soap> what theme are you looking at?
07.08.45 #       <chis00854r> ok neat
07.08.54 #       <chis00854r> how would i get my songs onto the ipod?
07.09.11 #       <Soap> you just treat your ipod like a hard drive and move them over.
07.09.33 #       <chis00854r> oh a simple copy and paste?
07.09.35 #       <Soap> Rockbox's default method is to let you browse directories kind of like windows explorer.
07.09.39 #       <funky> chis00854r: btw you can also read a bit some of the docs in the wiki
07.09.45 #       <chis00854r> great
07.10.07 #       <chis00854r> how would i get my existing songs i had before into rockbox?
07.10.08 #       <Soap> use Tag Cache if you want to access the music placed on your ipod by itunes.
07.10.16 #       <Soap> and you need to read the manual on that.
07.10.26 #       <funky> Soap: tag cache works fine ?
07.10.32 #       <funky> I havent tried it yet
07.10.40 #       <funky> I got rockbox since a couple of days
07.10.43 #       <Soap> I've been hand holding for 2.5 hours now.  Not going to do it for another hour for tag cache.
07.10.44 #       <chis00854r> got a link?
07.10.54 #       <Soap> funky - tag cache isn't perfect...
07.11.09 #       <Soap> chis00854r - links to the manuals are all over the website.
07.11.09 #       <chis00854r> what is perfect?
07.11.15 #       <chis00854r> ok great
07.11.55 #       <chis00854r> WPS Tags
07.12.24 #       <chis00854r> can you copy avi files to the ipod and play them?
07.12.51 #       <PaulJam> no
07.12.58 #       <chis00854r> thats a bummer
07.12.59 #       <Nimdae> tag cache is actually rather easy to use
07.13.10 #       <chis00854r> ok i have to go through every song and do the command?
07.14.19 #       <Nimdae> you enable it, initialize the db, and you should be good to go
07.14.20 #       <PaulJam> chis00854r: have you read the manual yet? it really answers many questions.
07.14.32 #       <Nimdae> yeah, manual is really recommended ;)
07.14.36 #       <chis00854r> ok im reading
07.14.40 #       <Nimdae> so is the wiki
07.14.47 #       <Nimdae> which has the manual on it
07.15.27 #       <chis00854r> http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildap2.html#x14-211000B
07.15.32 #       <Soap> so is the search function of the forums.
07.15.42 #       <funky> does tag cache come within rockbox?
07.15.48 #       <funky> or its a patch?
07.16.00 #       <PaulJam> no. it's included
07.16.00 #       <funky> I havent seen anything about it in the menus
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07.17.57 #       <chis00854r> once i get tag cache to work ill be happy
07.17.57 #       <funky> I got it
07.17.59 #       <chis00854r> :)
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07.19.46 #       <chis00854r> thanks for the help soap i guess i am on my own from here :|
07.19.52 #       <chis00854r> still confused..
07.19.56 #       <Soap> read read read
07.20.14 #       <chis00854r> not to easy ...
07.20.29 #       <chis00854r> %we 	
07.20.30 #       <chis00854r> Status Bar Enabled
07.20.30 #       <chis00854r> %wd 	
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07.20.39 #       <chis00854r> ok where do i put that
07.20.42 #       <chis00854r> command prompt?
07.20.47 #       <Soap> are you trying to write a WPS?
07.20.53 #       <chis00854r> no no
07.20.57 #       <chis00854r> :/
07.21.11 #       <chis00854r> need a tag cache link..
07.21.29 #       <Soap> you need to read the manual from start to finish, then you won't need a tag cache link.
07.21.35 #       <chis00854r> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache
07.21.36 #       <funky> once I've initialized the tag cache, where are the files?
07.21.47 #       <Soap> hunting and pecking for jewels of information will leave you with vast holes in your understanding.
07.22.27 #       <chis00854r> you run tag cache on the ipod?
07.22.45 #       <PaulJam> funky: reboot and set fileview to tagcache(or id3 database).
07.23.45 #       <funky> ah, I need to reboot, thx
07.24.11 #       <chis00854r> think i found it on my own
07.24.20 #       <chis00854r> load to ram
07.24.21 #       <chis00854r> :)
07.24.27 #       <chis00854r> right?
07.25.18 #       <chis00854r> its simple
07.25.20 #       <chis00854r> :)
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07.26.07 #       <funky> yeah, it works fine
07.27.34 #       <chis00854r> thanks soap
07.27.46 #       <chis00854r> you helped me out so much i dont know how to thank you
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07.27.54 #       * chis00854r passes soap a beer
07.27.55 #       <chis00854r> :)
07.28.25 #       <Soap> you can thank me by reading the entire manual and searching the forums before posting your first question in said forums.
07.28.26 #       <Soap> ;)
07.29.23 #       <chis00854r> :) soap i wish i was a dev. i would make rockbox open divx movies if i knew how to program
07.30.17 #       <chis00854r> so this rockbox is the best i would think rockbox would make there own mp3 player :)
07.30.42 #       <chis00854r> or have its own products for ipods to buy
07.30.46 #       <chis00854r> wifi on ipod :))
07.30.54 #       <chis00854r> someday
07.31.04 #       <funky> :?
07.31.15 #       <funky> time to sleep
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07.31.24 #       <chis00854r> or some sort of attachments
07.31.27 #       <chis00854r> need a cig
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08.38.18 #       <rockmyboxbaby> hey guys
08.38.45 #       <rockmyboxbaby> could you tell me if you could open .doc or .txt with the rockbox?
08.40.50 #       <PaulJam> only .txt files
08.41.47 #       <rockmyboxbaby> thanks pailjam :)
08.41.59 #       <rockmyboxbaby> is rockbox a image viewer as well?
08.42.17 #       <rockmyboxbaby> do i have to resize each picture?
08.42.41 #       <rockmyboxbaby> rockbox is like linux
08.42.42 #       <rockmyboxbaby> :)
08.42.59 #       <rockmyboxbaby> i hope in the future we get more packages :)
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08.58.13 #       <_flik_> is there way to reset the ipod after a rockbox "data abort" crash or do i have to wait until the battery is drained?
08.58.47 #       <aliask> _flik_: iPod?
08.58.53 #       <_flik_> yup
08.59.04 #       <aliask> Hold menu and select for about 20 seconds.
08.59.19 #       <aliask> Well, maybe not that long, but it resets after a while.
08.59.31 #       <_flik_> ok, i tried for four seconds, which normally works
08.59.50 #       <aliask> Just hold it till it works. :)
09.00.18 #       <_flik_> did that for 30 seconds now, still hangs
09.00.36 #       <_flik_> i guess it crashed badly
09.01.28 #       <aliask> Hrm, that's odd. That button combo is hardware, so it shouldn't matter that it's frozen.
09.01.37 #       <_flik_> oh wait, i did play and select - menu and select actually works
09.01.47 #       <aliask> Yay!
09.01.51 #       <_flik_> thanx
09.01.56 #       <aliask> No worries.
09.08.40 #       <Alcuin> what is rockbox exactly?
09.08.49 #       <Bagder> Alcuin: www.rockbox.org
09.09.05 #       <Alcuin> sorry, thanks for the info
09.10.28 #       <Alcuin> i see gigabeat f and x is in development, what about S?
09.10.59 #       <Bagder> afaik, the f and x ones are similar and the S is somewhat different
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09.11.28 #       <Bagder> but I'm far from a gigabeat expert
09.11.30 #       <myzar> hay bagder
09.11.31 #       <myzar> :o
09.11.45 #       <myzar> how goes progress?
09.11.46 #       <myzar> life?
09.12.43 #       <Bagder> life is good
09.13.48 #       <myzar> and how goes rockbox
09.13.53 #       <myzar> and the greater persuit of happiness?
09.14.10 #       <Bagder> rockbox moves forward in a steady pace
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09.14.18 #       <scorche> but is it really a greater pursuit?
09.14.23 #       <myzar> life can be good, but if rockbox is not good
09.14.30 #       <myzar> life is not truly complete
09.14.36 #       <myzar> making it not "good"
09.14.53 #       <myzar> well, it is if Bagder and the team are working towards getting the 5.5gs working
09.14.59 #       <myzar> but i can only work towards my dreams
09.15.21 #       <myzar> Bagder, make me the happiest girl alive!
09.15.25 #       <myzar> TELL ME IT'S TRUE!
09.15.39 #       <amiconn> mo0ning
09.15.44 #       <Bagder> I don't work on the 5.5
09.15.55 #       <Bagder> I don't even own any ipod
09.16.03 #       <Alcuin> this is to make the mp3 players compatible with linux, or is it just an alternative firmware?
09.16.11 #       <Bagder> I do have three sansas now though ;-)
09.16.14 #       <myzar> Bagder, but is it true work is being done? :P
09.16.20 #       * Bagder picked up the other two at Linus' place yday
09.16.21 #       <myzar> i have NEVER seen any other programmer
09.16.25 #       <myzar> other than kal and godzirra
09.16.29 #       <myzar> even mention it
09.16.41 #       <myzar> is there a team of secret undercover rockbox developers in here that i am oblivious to?
09.16.57 #       <daurn> yes
09.17.04 #       * myzar eyes the channel
09.17.05 #       <myzar> where?
09.17.23 #       * scorche walks out while holding a black sheet over a person
09.17.26 #       <myzar> if i sleep with every one of them, the chance that a working rockbox for 5.5g ipods will come out will increase a hundred fold
09.17.36 #       * scorche escorts them to the secret channel
09.18.14 #       <Bagder> myzar: well for starters, 5.5 problems need to be fixed by 5.5 owners
09.18.27 #       <Bagder> and not that many devs have 5.5 ipods
09.18.48 #       <myzar> yes, a valid point
09.18.54 #       <myzar> but with that logic, Bagder
09.19.02 #       <myzar> by the time any of the devs get 5.5gs
09.19.09 #       <myzar> the 6.5gs will be out
09.19.13 #       <Bagder> perhaps
09.19.14 #       <myzar> judging by the time people normally upgrade
09.19.20 #       <scorche> your logic is flawed
09.19.32 #       <myzar> my logic is that if they just got 5g ipods to get video working
09.19.42 #       <scorche> now lets gat back tot he sleeping with people to get the 5.5gs working?
09.19.45 #       <myzar> they won't upgrade to 5.5 shortly afterwards when 6g is almost out
09.20.07 #       <myzar> we need a donation fund, Bagder
09.20.13 #       <Bagder> well, we had 5g support loooong after it was released
09.20.19 #       <Bagder> myzar: we already have
09.20.22 #       <myzar> or just a way to get the devs to borrow some 5.5s from their friends
09.20.24 #       <myzar> maybe?
09.20.24 #       * scorche points to the donate button
09.20.30 #       <myzar> heh
09.20.36 #       <myzar> "You got a new IPOD? Really?"
09.20.43 #       <Bagder> donate more and we'll buy devs more devices
09.20.45 #       <myzar> "How about i give you my SUPER DOOPER COOL ONE in exchange!"
09.20.48 #       <Alcuin> why are the devs so focused on ipod? popularity?
09.20.57 #       <scorche> Alcuin: we arent
09.20.57 #       <Bagder> Alcuin: what says we are?
09.21.02 #       <myzar> they aren't
09.21.04 #       <amiconn> myzar: The logic is still a bit off. There's still the possibility that a new developer with a 5.5g joins the project
09.21.12 #       <myzar> in what period of time, amiconn
09.21.18 #       <Alcuin> Badger: Well, only my observations thus far of the conversation.
09.21.19 #       <myzar> developers don't grow on trees
09.21.20 #       <scorche> example: barrywardell ;)
09.21.22 #       <myzar> good ones are a rarity
09.21.33 #       <myzar> and even then, they need to know ipods and rockbox
09.21.35 #       <Bagder> Alcuin: don't judge the whole team based on myzar's ramblings ;-)
09.21.41 #       <myzar> oh, i'm not rambling
09.21.47 #       <myzar> i'm cranky and depressed
09.21.55 #       <Alcuin> Any particular device the focus?
09.22.04 #       <myzar> there isn't really a focus
09.22.04 #       <Bagder> myzar: so join in and make things happen instead
09.22.09 #       <myzar> i cannot
09.22.09 #       <scorche> there is no "focus"
09.22.15 #       <myzar> i do low level programming
09.22.15 #       <Bagder> Alcuin: whatever each and everyone likes
09.22.24 #       <Alcuin> What's the goal?
09.22.24 #       <myzar> i doubt i can help with anything in rockbox
09.22.29 #       <Bagder> Alcuin: having fun
09.22.30 #       <amiconn> There are already a lot of devs who contributed to the project. The credits list 235
09.22.34 #       <myzar> i can only don some pom poms
09.22.36 #       <myzar> and cheer you on
09.22.57 #       <Alcuin> Is it to integrate them with Linux, or just offer alternative firmwares?
09.23.04 #       <Bagder> rockbox is not linux
09.23.10 #       <Bagder> not even close
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09.23.18 #       <Alcuin> just an alternative firmware?
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09.23.24 #       <Bagder> "just" that yes
09.23.37 #       <Bagder> its about having the best possible firmware on your DAP
09.23.40 #       <Alcuin> sorry, i didn't intend that to be a slight
09.24.21 #       <daurn> its about turning a nice piece of hardware, with crap, proprietry software, into something great
09.24.38 #       <Alcuin> well i liked my old nomad jukebox zen, but since my upgrade to Gigabeat S, the lack of deleating, playlist creation, and other seemingly obvious features has me blue
09.24.43 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Hmm, I thought Zagor was 'mister fat.c', but the header lists Linus as the author. Do I remember something wrong?
09.25.11 #       <Bagder> amiconn: Zagor based his work on something basic Linus once started, afair
09.25.21 #       <amiconn> ah
09.25.48 #       <Bagder> but iirc, the code Linus had was just fat16 or something like that
09.26.18 #       <amiconn> Hmm, the rockbox fat driver was fat32 only when [IDC]Dragon and me did the ondio port
09.26.31 #       <amiconn> We had to add fat16...
09.26.42 #       <Bagder> I know, Zagor ripped all of that out
09.26.58 #       <Bagder> since we only needed fat32 in that first version
09.27.11 #       <Alcuin> Does Creative still produce players with delete, playlist creation, and all the other features?
09.27.52 #       <amiconn> At least one of the 5.5g problems can be tackled by any dev feeling like fiddling with the fat driver code
09.28.02 #       <amiconn> (the sector size problem)
09.28.37 #       <Bagder> Alcuin: don't expect to find my creative fans/owners here since rockbox doesn'r run on any creative player
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10.05.36 #       <petur> Bagder?
10.05.49 #       <Bagder> yeps?
10.05.51 #       <petur> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/AlanDavis?rev1=2;rev2=1
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10.06.45 #       <midkay> haha.
10.06.50 #       <midkay> who added this whore.
10.06.54 #       <midkay> and when did he ask on irc.
10.07.05 #       <midkay> or..
10.07.11 #       <midkay> yeah.
10.08.07 #       <Bagder> wiped out
10.28.27 #       <aliask> Anyone feel like looking at #6097?
10.31.23 #       <daurn> no
10.31.27 #       <daurn> ./clear
10.32.41 #       * markun notices a lot of gigabeat talk in here..
10.33.47 #       <markun> Bagder: you were right, the S is probably a completely new port
10.35.41 #       <JdGordon> does anyone here have the archos player?
10.38.06 #       * scorche rats on amiconn 
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11.18.28 #       <petur> bah... seeking seems seriously broken...
11.19.29 #       <petur> start playing a song, seek back a bit and end up in the middle of a song that's 4 tracks further. it plays some seconds of that song and then resumes on the spot where it should have been
11.23.26 #       <petur> hmmm... only when seeking back into the first few seconds of the song it seems
11.27.14 #       <midkay> haha.
11.27.29 #       <petur> it gets worse
11.28.05 #       <petur> try it a few times and it keeps playing the wrong song, but WPS display keeps showing the track that should be playing
11.29.11 #       * petur was trying to use rockbox to do guitar practice... can't practice the start of the song :(
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11.31.07 #       <Mikachu> petur: this is with recent cvs?
11.31.14 #       <petur> yes
11.31.19 #       <petur> current
11.31.31 #       <petur> build an hour ago
11.32.44 #       <midkay> haha.
11.32.54 #       <midkay> sorry..
11.32.57 #       * scorche haha.
11.32.59 #       <midkay> scorche made me.
11.33.15 #       * petur notices midkay has serious echo on his link
11.33.15 #       <scorche> only because you attempted to make up for something
11.33.17 #       <scorche> and failed
11.33.32 #       <midkay> shut up scorche.
11.34.34 #       <scorche> you would!
11.34.44 #       <midkay> rebound.
11.35.00 #       <scorche> spinning dunk attack!
11.35.09 #       <midkay> rebound!!
11.35.15 #       <scorche> damn.
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13.24.08 #       <amiconn> Yay!
13.24.26 #       * amiconn now has an sdl sim on cygwin that logs to the console again :)
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13.37.00 #       <markun> amiconn: nice work
13.38.34 #       <amiconn> Was easier than I thought, after reading a bit about how sdl does its startup magic
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13.39.07 #       <amiconn> Now I only need to find a nice way to place -mconsole (I currently have it hacked into apps/Makefile)
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13.40.31 #       <Lear> I have it in the top-level makefile (assuming you're talking about what I think you're talking about).
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13.40.58 #       <amiconn> On top-level it didn't work for me. Building the plugins errored out
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13.42.28 #       <Lear> Works for me (in LDOPTS) on Cygwin... But you're talking about getting stdout/stderr on the console in the SDL sim, right? :)
13.42.37 #       <amiconn> yes
13.43.14 #       <amiconn> There are just 2 things required. (1) Building rockboxui as a console application, (2) not using SDL_main()
13.43.29 #       <Mikachu> can't you just tail -f stderr.txt ?
13.43.41 #       <amiconn> Too cumbersome
13.43.56 #       <Lear> I still use SDL_main, but I did pass some configure option when I buildt SDL.
13.43.59 #       <amiconn> SDL_main isn't really needed on windows and linux, only on osx
13.45.01 #       <amiconn> So I just #undef main in uisdl.c for win32 environments
13.45.59 #       <Lear> I think I set --enable-stdio-redirect to no...
13.46.25 #       <amiconn> I've read about that as well, but it requires rebuilding sdl
13.47.26 #       <Lear> Btw, those Makefile tweaks did speed things up a little. But only about 20% on an "empty rebuild" on Cygwin...
13.47.35 #       <amiconn> yes
13.47.41 #       <amiconn> Still better than nothing imo
13.48.43 #       <Lear> The interesting thing is that Cygwin is so far from pegging the CPU (even blocking other tasks, it seems). I rarely see more than about 30% CPU usage.
13.49.04 #       <amiconn> The slowness is caused by the windows filesystem layer
13.50.58 #       <amiconn> I did an experiment. When compiling on linux but the source & build tree is stored on a windows system, compilation is as slow as on cygwin
13.51.18 #       <amiconn> (access was from a linux VM with the vmware hgfs module)
13.56.55 #       <amiconn> Lear: Works with -mconsole in LDOPTS :)
14.01.47 #       <amiconn> Hmm, can anyone tell me the ip for www.iriver.co.jp ?
14.02.00 #       <amiconn> There seems to be a DNS resolution problem...
14.04.38 #       <obo> Doesn't seem to exist in whois, so no nameserver...
14.04.58 #       <amiconn> A link to it worked 4 days ago...
14.05.58 #       <Lear> I had a lookup through a web service. The name server ns.iriver.co.jp didn't respond...
14.06.44 #       <amiconn> Seems iriver jp has some problems...
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14.12.48 #       <Mikachu> their nameserver seems down
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14.14.23 #       <Mikachu> the first three are 211.43.222, but no idea what the last is, or if it's up
14.14.40 #       <Mikachu> i am at least guessing their nameserver is in the same range as the site
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14.50.32 #       <daurn> only 256 to try ;)
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15.00.24 #       <Genre9mp3> Anyone with a Nano around?
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15.03.23 #       <Genre9mp3> It seems that the %bp and %bc wps tags do not work on Nano according to this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7050.0
15.03.36 #       <Genre9mp3> Can anyone with a Nano confirm this?
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15.05.44 #       <Genre9mp3> (just plug in the charger with iCatcher... it should trigger a battery animation)
15.06.33 #       <Genre9mp3> If not, then maybe it is a problem with Nano (the exact same code works on other targets... at least on H300)
15.06.49 #       <Genre9mp3> problem with these wps tags on Nano I mean
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15.28.39 #       <Lear> preglow: didn't you mention that in the mp3 codec, samples_to_skip can be larger than one frame?
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15.33.54 #       <Lear> preglow: on second thought, forget that. I figured it out... :)
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15.44.11 #       <preglow> Lear: i think i did a fix for that once, so yeah, it can
15.46.09 #       <Lear> Ouch.. Don't like this code in playback.c:
15.46.21 #       <Lear> (Wait, gotta check some more first. :)
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15.52.20 #       <Lear> Hm.. missed a function call on first check, but still, audio_rebuffer_and_seek does some stuff I don't quite understand...
15.53.17 #       <Lear> Like, why call audio_read_file with the argument newpos? It takes an argument specifying minimum number of bytes to read, not a file offset.
15.53.24 #       <Lear> And then do this: CUR_TI->available -= newpos;
15.53.29 #       <Lear> Makes no sense to me...
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16.00.32 #       <preglow> heh
16.00.38 #       <preglow> i'm not too big on playback.c, i'm afraid
16.03.13 #       <Lear> was hoping for lostlogic or Steve, whatever his handle is...
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16.03.32 #       <Lear> oh well, I'm off for a while anyway...
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16.11.10 #       <barrywardell> Is there anyone here familiar with using JTAG?
16.11.45 #       * barrywardell has hooked his h10's jtag connector up to the parallel port
16.12.35 #       <JdGordon> its serial tho....
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16.13.13 #       <stripwax> ello
16.13.17 #       <JdGordon> haw haw haw...
16.13.27 #       <JdGordon> damn joke is lost on you all :p
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16.14.02 #       <preglow> protocol is serial, yes, but it's not exactly one-wire
16.14.13 #       <stripwax> just tried doing a "make install" on cygwin and got "xargs: zip: No such file or directory.  unzip: cannot find or open ../rockbox-full.zip, ../rockbox-full.zip.zip or ../rockbox-full.zip.ZIP.  make: *** [install] Error 9".   Any ideas?
16.14.50 #       <Mikachu> stripwax: you don't have the "zip" program
16.14.52 #       <stripwax> btw "make" seems to work fine (in the sense that rockboxui.exe gets built)
16.15.07 #       <stripwax> Mikachu - gah.  you're not wrong,
16.15.08 #       <stripwax> thanks
16.15.17 #       <Mikachu> one could argue zipping and unzipping is not the most clever way to copy files to a subdir
16.15.33 #       <stripwax> yeah..   wasn't expecting zip to be required for a local sdl build..
16.15.50 #       <Mikachu> make install just runs make fullzip and unzips it again to archos/
16.16.15 #       <Mikachu> you can probably modify the buildzip script to copy files instead
16.16.39 #       <Mikachu> i wonder if it at least uses 0 compression
16.17.36 #       <stripwax> nemmind, i just install the zip package, works fine now
16.20.25 #       <barrywardell> JdGordon: have you used jtag before? I'm totally new to it.
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16.28.44 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: I responded to your post on the forums, I checked on my nano
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16.32.18 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: Thanks
16.32.38 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: So it seems that %bp and %bc do not work after all...
16.32.56 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: It's not that they don't work. It's that the feature itself just isn't enabled.
16.33.05 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: It's a very simple tweak to enable it in a build
16.33.15 #       <Genre9mp3> Yes... that's what I meant
16.33.27 #       <Genre9mp3> But as you wondered, maybe this is for some reason?
16.34.24 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: You checked the code?
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16.35.03 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: Yep, I *think* the commented out line that says "//#define CONFIG_CHARGING CHARGING_SIMPLE" needs to instead not be commented out and say "#define CONFIG_CHARGING CHARGING_MONITOR"
16.35.34 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: I've had it enabled in the past on my Nano, but the line was different back then, I think the name and value of the define was changed just for readability though.
16.36.04 #       <Genre9mp3> Is this "disabled" only for Nano or other targets as well?
16.36.40 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> I can't look through all of them. :-P
16.36.58 #       <Genre9mp3> heh..
16.36.58 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> It's *enabled* on iPod Video, H100 series, etc.
16.37.17 #       <Genre9mp3> Can you point me to the file in the source so I can check?
16.37.48 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> It's /firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h
16.37.52 #       <Genre9mp3> Ah... just re-readed your post... nevermind! :)
16.38.02 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Try changing the line to #define CONFIG_CHARGING CHARGING_MONITOR and see if that fixes things, at least for now.
16.38.21 #       <Genre9mp3> Well... I can't test it cause I don't have a Nano ;)
16.38.27 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Oh, right.
16.38.28 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Hm
16.38.43 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Then I'll just have to go and test it
16.38.46 #       <Genre9mp3> I just want to check if this is only for Nano
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16.42.26 #       <PaulJam> i have a question about the genlang script: when using the -u option, is it possible to make it also mark the lines where the english.lang contains target specific strings, but the translated.lang doesn't?
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16.47.39 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: I found out that the CHARGING_SIMPLE is commented out on all iPod targets except iPod Video
16.48.11 #       <Genre9mp3> iPod video uses the CHARGING_MONITOR like H300 for example
16.49.34 #       <barrywardell> other ipods can't detect the charger iirc
16.49.50 #       <barrywardell> that's probably the reason
16.50.19 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> barrywardell: They can
16.50.24 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> barrywardell: At least the Nano can.
16.50.24 #       <Genre9mp3> ...and as I can see charge monitoring doesn't work properly for H100s, too
16.50.32 #       <barrywardell> see firmware/target/arm/ipod/power-ipod.c
16.50.37 #       <barrywardell> charger_inserted()
16.50.46 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> They can't necessarily detect the charge level, but they can detect that they are charging.
16.50.48 #       <barrywardell> they only detect usb power
16.51.20 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> barrywardell: USB/Firewire are the only ways to charge an iPod.
16.51.47 #       <barrywardell> there's the charger you plug the usb cable into too
16.51.59 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> That's still USB power though
16.52.16 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Or in some cases, with the older ones, firewire power.
16.52.34 #       <barrywardell> well the code is only there to detect usb power, not charger power, so maybe that's the problem
16.52.49 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> We can't differentiate it from the USB cable at this time, because we detect USB insertion by the delivery of USB power, so the wall charger reboots the iPod.
16.53.25 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: Anyway, if you add that line in, you get a charging animation at least (my battery logo in icatcher shows an animation of filling up, cycling)
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16.54.27 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: Nice. This means taht the Nano can at least detect when the charger is plugged in
16.55.38 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: You used CHARGING_SIMPLE or CHARGING_MONITOR ?
16.57.52 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: Monitor
16.58.20 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: The H120 shows the animation too though. Did you look at the H120 file, or the H100 file?
16.59.27 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: Yes.. they use CHARGING_MONITOR as well but there is a FIXME comment that says: remove that once monitoring is fixed properly
17.00.20 #       <Genre9mp3> but it's CHARGING_SIMPLE that is commented out and not CHARGING_MONITOR, so I'm a bit confused
17.00.36 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: The fixme may be old.
17.00.53 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: Or they could mean that right now it doesn't actually monitor the charging state, just whether charging is happening.
17.00.59 #       <amiconn> It's not
17.01.14 #       * Paul_the_Nerd has no clue about it.
17.01.31 #       <amiconn> The whole power monitoring is an utter mess
17.01.35 #       <Genre9mp3> Also there are some other targets that they use CHARGING_SIMPLE (H10, iAudio X5, gigabeat)
17.02.02 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: The thing about the Nano, is that it didn't even use CHARGING_SIMPLE, it wasn't defined.
17.02.54 #       <amiconn> Paul_the_Nerd: This is because no one analysed how charging monitoring or at least power plug-in monitoring works on the ipods, except video
17.03.27 #       <amiconn> It will still charge fine as charging is hardware controlled, but rockbox can't tell
17.04.02 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> amiconn: So what kind of behaviour does that enable?
17.04.13 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: Since you tested it, at least we know it can detect whether it's charging or not... but can't monitor it (?)
17.04.58 #       <Genre9mp3> ...meaning that Rockbox won't be able to tell if the charging is stopped when full
17.05.36 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: Well... my battery was nearly full, and now the charging animation has stopped, and it simply shows a full battery (4 Bars in iCatcher) instead...
17.06.39 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: From what you say I understand that it works then on Nano
17.06.47 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> I don't know.
17.07.04 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> I don't know if there's supposed to be more to charging monitoring, or anything.
17.07.44 #       <Genre9mp3> Yes... we can't be sure about that... but at least it detects when the charger is plugged in, that's for sure
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17.11.46 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Genre9mp3: I don't know if it'll detect firewire based charging or not, as I cannot test that.
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18.11.49 #       <lex> hey
18.11.54 #       <lex> what's happened to senab's builds
18.12.29 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Read his thread.
18.12.31 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> He stopped doing them.
18.13.04 #       <Soap> senab went to school.  senab got busy.  then senab got frustrated with everyone asking him questions /after/ he said he didn't have time.
18.22.05 #       <lex> :(
18.22.37 #       <lex> but julius is continuing? :)
18.23.05 #       <lex> wow those julius's themes ROCK ;)
18.23.20 #       <lex> but, do you know, how long it will take to get rockbox to my 5.5G ipod? :o
18.24.41 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Do you know when they'll cure cancer?
18.24.46 #       <lex> :p
18.24.55 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Both require discoveries, so both are unpredictable.
18.25.01 #       <lex> but i guess that it's not so hard to do it, if someone just wants to do it
18.25.33 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> If it's not so hard to do, feel free.
18.26.02 #       <lex> yea
18.26.14 #       <lex> i thought you would say that
18.26.25 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> You're the one who says he doesn't think it's hard.
18.26.52 #       <lex> is it then? because i don't know
18.27.07 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Then why did you say you felt otherwise?
18.27.15 #       <Kasperle> didn't someone post on the forum he had it running quite well on the 5.5G?
18.27.15 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> On the 80gig there seem to be some hardware differences with the ATA.
18.27.32 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> On the 30gig there seem to be some issues relating to the playback control file writing that seem uncertain.
18.27.40 #       <lex> hmm
18.27.45 #       <Kasperle> i see
18.28.26 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kasperle: On a 5.5G 30gig iPod, it is possible to get it running if you do a lot of manual effort to essentially change the disk into a condition similar to that of the 5G iPod 30gig, but then it becomes difficult to transfer files to it, as well as likely preventing the retail firmware from working.
18.28.43 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> It's not "Getting Rockbox to work on it" so much as "Getting the iPod into a state that Rockbox already works with"
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18.30.27 #       <Kasperle> i see
18.30.39 #       <webguest39> hey i just have a quick question, and this is ridiculous but where can i get the source for rockbox without using CVS
18.30.54 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> webguest39: From the download page?
18.31.06 #       <webguest39> i can only find the daily builds....
18.31.31 #       <lex> the forums look funny because there's only whining about "rockbox doesn't work :(((((8" :p
18.31.37 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> webguest39: Read the page. All three pages have "Source" written somewhere on them, with associated links.
18.32.45 #       <webguest39> i see the source archive section but that's not what i want
18.32.59 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Well that's what you asked for.
18.33.05 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> "the source for rockbox without using CVS"
18.33.26 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> What *exactly* do you want then?
18.34.21 #       <webguest39> i get a 48 megabyte single file rockbox-daily-20061022.tar.bz2-1.tar.out
18.34.37 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Yes...
18.34.39 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> It's an archive.
18.34.43 #       <lex> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6169
18.34.55 #       <lex> so, that should do it?
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18.35.15 #       <webguest40> ah sorry this is webguest 39
18.35.26 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> lex: It doesn't work on the 80gig models, and it disables a function in Rockbox that caused crashes.
18.35.28 #       <lex> but is there a compiled build for that
18.35.30 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> webguest40: It's an archive. Extract it.
18.35.36 #       <lex> Paul_the_Nerd: yeah, but I'm getting the 30gig one
18.35.38 #       <webguest40> a .out file?
18.36.07 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> webguest40: The extension on the file on the server isn't .out
18.36.23 #       <webguest40> no but when i extracted it i got a .out file
18.36.24 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> It.s .tar.bz2
18.36.45 #       <webguest40> but i just used winrar to extract the .out file and now i got what i was looking for
18.36.51 #       <webguest40> the .out file i got just confused me
18.36.52 #       <webguest40> thanks
18.37.03 #       <lex> Paul_the_Nerd: but do you know about that ipodwizard application, does the 5.5G work with thaT?
18.37.12 #       <lex> so I could unlock the volume limit
18.37.16 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> lex: This channel has nothing to do with the iPodWizard applicaton.
18.37.24 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> I don't even use the retail firmware.
18.37.56 #       <lex> Paul_the_Nerd: I just asked you
18.38.15 #       <lex> Paul_the_Nerd: it's the same, if we speak about life or something here, and you'll be kickbanned :)
18.39.06 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> I was simply pointing out that it's unrelated to this channel, *and* that I don't know about it.
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18.40.25 #       <lex> wtf...
18.40.30 #       <lex> "any ideas on how I could get a n64 emulator to work on my 5g ipod? I asked over at rockbox (what I have on my ipod, and they answered with this"
18.40.35 #       <lex> n64 emulator for ipod? no way
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18.42.18 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> What does he say I told him?
18.42.25 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> As it's likely the person I talked with.
18.42.41 #       <Genre9mp3> lex: hehe... where did you find that quote? I'm curious
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18.42.51 #       <lex> Genre9mp3: from the ipodwizard forums
18.42.59 #       <Genre9mp3> link?
18.43.10 #       <lex> http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=15431
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18.44.12 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Wow, he leaves off the whole part where I explain to him the fact that the N64 was faster than an iPod, and that you'd be measuring speed in tens of minutes per frame rather than frames per second, and that's at best.
18.44.32 #       <Genre9mp3> hehe.. then he asks: "So I would download... the compiler source?"
18.44.35 #       <lex> :D
18.45.05 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> His original question here was "What file from an N64 emulator would I need to but in the rocks folder to get it working?"
18.45.27 #       <Genre9mp3> Paul_the_Nerd: Yeah... I think I remember the thread
18.45.50 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> He pestered me in PMs for about a day after as well, until I thought I'd finally convinced him it was pointless.
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19.18.01 #       <Soap> I think I killed the thread at ipodwizard.
19.18.19 #       <Soap> If it continues after my post...
19.19.07 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Soap: That looks startlingly similar to what I told the guy in PM. ;)
19.19.23 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> I don't think I used the phrase "Hoss of a floating point unit" though
19.19.41 #       <Soap> that's the secret.
19.19.48 #       <Soap> you have to speak their language.
19.19.50 #       * Soap nods
19.20.05 #       <Soap> i before e
19.20.30 #       <Lear> except after c
19.21.21 #       <Mikachu> kneel before me
19.21.27 #       <Mikachu> except after tea
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19.24.25 #       <Genre9mp3> Soap: You registered in iPodwizard forums just to kill people's "hopes"? Oh boy... yoa are an evil person! :P
19.25.26 #       <Soap> No, just to shut up a stupid discussion which should have died a natural death, but instead needed my boot of reality.
19.26.06 #       <Soap> It is Sunday after all, I had to spread The Good News.
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19.26.15 #       <Genre9mp3> I don't think though, that you killed that thread... I'm sure that nineteenninety will come up and post: "OK, but can someone tell me what to do with the source?" :P
19.26.25 #       <Kitt0s> Soap, pm
19.27.42 #       <Genre9mp3> Or maybe he will sign up in another forum and will ask "hey, I asked at rockbox and iPodwizard forums and they told me this and that... blah blah blah" :)
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19.28.26 #       <Soap> Genre9mp3 - that would be a hoot.
19.29.43 #       <Genre9mp3> Soap: It's already a hoot anyway ;)
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19.31.05 #       <Soap> What would be a hoot is to post one floating point operation from the emmulator code, let him spend a day or two figuring out how to make it fixed point, then tell him there are 8,561 other where that came from.
19.34.00 #       <Genre9mp3> I doubt that he'll ever reach to that point... He seems to expect an answer like this: "Take that file from N64 emulator source you downloaded, rename it to .rock and place it to the rock folder" LOL
19.35.30 #       <Genre9mp3> Actually, he already asked such kind of question...
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19.37.08 #       <Kitt0s> can someone help me with this compling error?
19.37.09 #       <Kitt0s> AR /home/Nethanel/cvs-2006-08-12/rockbox-devel/build/libTremor.a
19.37.11 #       <Kitt0s> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/home/Nethanel/cvs-2006-08-12/rockbox-devel
19.37.13 #       <Kitt0s> /apps/plugins/plugin.lds', needed by `/home/Nethanel/cvs-2006-08-12/rockbox-deve
19.37.15 #       <Kitt0s> l/build/apps/codecs/codeclink.lds'. Stop.
19.37.17 #       <Kitt0s> make[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2
19.37.19 #       <Kitt0s> make: *** [all] Error 2
19.37.24 #       <Kitt0s> ?:\
19.39.23 #       <jhMikeS> Kitt0s: try 'make clean' and configure again perhaps?
19.39.49 #       <Kitt0s> i'v tried reconfigure and recompling it sevral times
19.39.52 #       <Kitt0s> i still get that error
19.40.35 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Have you been able to compile at all in the past?
19.40.39 #       <jhMikeS> hmmm...that usually happens when files are missing
19.40.54 #       <Kitt0s> well.......
19.41.03 #       <Kitt0s> never tried paul
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19.41.14 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Are you compiling unpatched or patched?
19.41.16 #       <Kitt0s> its a cvs from 2006-08-12
19.41.49 #       <Kitt0s> im trying to create a build with both no frequency scailing and both scroll ipod acceleration
19.41.50 #       <jhMikeS> petur: I have a revised bit of code for the prerecord I can pastebin if you care to. (easier)
19.42.13 #       <Kitt0s> so what file is mising?
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19.43.26 #       <PaulJam> Kitt0s: is the build from before the falling blocks game was renamed to rockblox? if yes it is possible that the tetrox.c is missing.
19.43.31 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Out of curiosity what do you need with the old build?
19.43.54 #       <Kitt0s> Paul_the_Nerd, as i said: [19:41:34] [Kitt0s]: im trying to create a build with both no frequency scailing and both scroll ipod acceleration
19.46.41 #       <jhMikeS> frequency scailing == pitch adjustment?
19.47.04 #       <PaulJam> Kitt0s: try if it works when you remove the line that mentions tetrox.c from apps/plugins/SOURCES
19.47.17 #       <Kitt0s> no
19.47.56 #       <Kitt0s> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095
19.48.05 #       <Kitt0s> ok
19.48.09 #       <Kitt0s> i have tried that PaulJam
19.48.13 #       <Kitt0s> and then i got another error
19.48.25 #       <Kitt0s> 27430 [Kitt0s]: what patch? ipod acceleration patch? :D
19.48.25 #       <Kitt0s> 27468 [Kitt0s]: OBJCOPY mpegplayer.rock
19.48.25 #       <Kitt0s> 27469 [Kitt0s]: rm /home/Nethanel/cvs-2006-08-12/rockbox-devel/build/apps/plugins/pong.elf
19.48.35 #       <Kitt0s> then another along lis of .elf i think
19.49.00 #       <PaulJam> that isn't an error.
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19.52.43 #       <Kitt0s> hmm
19.53.35 #       <Kasperle> do you guys know http://www.gnuarm.com/ btw? pre-compiled arm toolchains for windows and linux
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19.54.08 #       <Kasperle> just stumbled across that page when i looked for a toolchain package for CentOS.
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19.55.29 #       <Kitt0s> ok its compling :D
19.56.00 #       <Kitt0s> ok
19.56.04 #       <Kitt0s> when i get alot of rm ....
19.56.08 #       <Kitt0s> means its done?
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19.58.15 #       <Kitt0s> sw3333333333t
19.58.19 #       <Kitt0s> my first complied build
19.58.19 #       <Kitt0s> :]
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20.08.11 #       <luckz> obo: around?
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20.08.40 #       <Kitt0s> how come i can't connect the ipod through USB and still be able to use it?
20.08.59 #       <Soap> because rockbox does not have its own USB mode.
20.09.20 #       <Kitt0s> too bad :\
20.09.28 #       <Soap> you can press MENU while inserting the USB cable into an ipod running rockbox, and you will get USB power/charging while running rockbox.
20.09.55 #       <Soap> though the ipod consumes more power than it draws from the USB port when you do that, so it is still a net loss, though less of one.
20.10.17 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Soap: That depends on what sort of iPod you have.
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20.11.00 #       <Kitt0s> ho ho no no
20.11.03 #       <Kitt0s> nvm
20.11.05 #       <Kitt0s> i found it
20.11.23 #       <Soap> I did not realize they differed in that regard, sorry for putting foot in mouth.
20.11.49 #       <luckz> can anybody help me with something regarding rockscrobbler.pl?
20.11.54 #       <Kitt0s> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5744
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20.12.25 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Soap: Well, the iPod Nano uses little enough power that I can get away with charging it in Rockbox while listening to music.
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20.12.29 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> *barely*
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20.19.47 #       <Kitt0s> Soap u want that build?
20.20.07 #       <Kitt0s> ho and another thing
20.20.23 #       <Kitt0s> y does rockbox close itself when connecting to pc?
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20.20.36 #       <Kitt0s> it shows the usb icon
20.20.39 #       <Kitt0s> then u see apple icon
20.20.50 #       <Kitt0s> the the apple's do not disconnect
20.20.58 #       <luckz> no need to use more power than necessary?
20.21.16 #       <luckz> I connect my X5 to my pc to submit stuff to last.fm or throw songs onto it or so, and to charge it occasionally
20.21.39 #       <Kitt0s> ?
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20.22.18 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kitt0s: Rockbox can't connect to the PC on iPods, no USB driver yet, so it reboots into apple disk mode.
20.22.39 #       <Kitt0s> ho i see its an ipod problem
20.22.40 #       <luckz> Paul: why no usb driver?
20.22.41 #       <Kitt0s> ok then
20.23.00 #       <Kitt0s> Paul_the_Nerd, y not be a HeRo and make one ?D:
20.23.09 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> luckz: Because the USB hardware in it is undocumented.
20.23.40 #       <Kitt0s> cuz apple sux
20.23.41 #       <Kitt0s> :]\
20.23.58 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> PortalPlayer actually
20.24.55 #       <luckz> arrrrr!
20.25.00 #       <luckz> does no human being understand perl?
20.25.18 #       <Kasperle> that's odd. checkout doesn't fetch the bootloader source along with everything else. i need to fetch it manually by checking out rockbox/bootloader
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20.26.01 #       <Kasperle> s/. c/. cvs c/
20.26.27 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kasperle: That's because it's rare that you should be compiling a bootloader
20.26.28 #       <PaulJam> depends propably on what you check out. afaik rockbox-devel includes the bootloader sources
20.26.37 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> rockbox-devel includes it, rockbox doesn't.
20.27.31 #       <Kasperle> Paul_the_Nerd: i see.
20.28.06 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kasperle: On some platforms a nonworking bootloader can permanently cripple your player.
20.28.23 #       <Kasperle> well, i'm stuck with a iPod 5.5G, and if i'm following that forum thread correctly, i need to rebuild the bootloader, too?
20.28.25 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> On all the rest it's still something you only install once, and are best off just downloading the official 'working' one
20.28.32 #       <Kasperle> ok
20.28.56 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> On iPods non-working bootloaders are just an inconvenience, as it doesn't permanently harm the device.
20.29.05 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> but I really can't speak for what needs to be done for that thread.
20.29.21 #       <Kasperle> i shall soon find out ;)
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20.33.43 #       <Kasperle> i see the ipodinstallation says something about extracting apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin, but i don't see it being used in patching the firmware to boot rockbox. why is that?
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20.37.05 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> It automatically gets used if present during the ipod_fw -g 5g (or was it -g video) step
20.37.15 #       <Kitt0s> what can cause the wps TEXT not being in the right place?
20.37.29 #       <luckz> why do you allcaps TEXT?
20.37.33 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kitt0s: Patches missing that the WPS requires, bad fonts, etc.
20.37.34 #       <luckz> hidden meaning?
20.37.39 #       <Kasperle> i see. so it needs to be in the cwd
20.38.11 #       <Kitt0s> no
20.38.22 #       <Kitt0s> so u wont think its the scrollbar or something else
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20.39.21 #       <Kitt0s> what missing patch could it be?
20.39.54 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kitt0s: There's many. Just read the description of the WPS and see.
20.40.12 #       <luckz> album art? unicode fonts?
20.40.17 #       <luckz> well, unifont
20.40.21 #       <luckz> or multifont?
20.40.29 #       <luckz> I confuse those things all day anyway :p
20.41.33 #       <Kitt0s> i think i found the right one
20.41.38 #       <Kitt0s> 05-customline-20060930.patch
20.41.43 #       <Kitt0s> right ?:]
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20.44.34 #       <RogerBacon> hey guy, i need your help, i have plugged my gigabeat S HDD to my5g ipod but in the rescue menu where is the disk mode ? i need it to view the file system of my gigabeat
20.45.55 #       <RogerBacon> hehe, common guy
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20.47.43 #       <Kitt0s> what is the chance on me getting a patch from 2006-09-29 to work on a 2006-08-12 CVS?:}
20.48.02 #       <Soap> depends on the patch.
20.48.04 #       <Soap> what patch?
20.48.18 #       <Kitt0s> customline-20060929.patch
20.48.36 #       <Kasperle> any ideas as to what's happening when ipod_fw doesn't terminate and writes firmware images a couple of hundred of megabytes in the process?
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20.50.51 #       <Kitt0s> what do u think Soap?
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20.53.25 #       <obo> luckz: problems with rockscrobbler?
20.53.40 #       <luckz> obo: well, I want it to submit songs which I played more than 50% of
20.53.56 #       <luckz> I often skip at 95% to avoid hearing minutes of people cheering in live stuff and whatnot
20.54.25 #       <obo> okay, should still be logged with a "L" status
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21.00.57 #       <luckz> obo: are you sure that doesn't get a S status?
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21.01.23 #       <Gettfo> Helllo
21.01.26 #       <Gettfo> I need some help
21.01.35 #       <obo> If you skip after 50% it will log a L
21.01.50 #       <Gettfo> http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?p=170785#post170785
21.01.55 #       <Gettfo> Please help me ^
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21.02.18 #       <luckz> http://www.last.fm/user/Luckz <- I played 70% of some depeche mode song aroudn 5 hours ago or so
21.02.45 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Gettfo: My first suggestion is that you actually read the manual.
21.04.08 #       <Gettfo> where?
21.04.45 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Have you been to Rockbox.org yet, and perhaps looked for a link labelled "manual" as that might be a clue to where the manual is.
21.05.09 #       <obo> luckz: still got the .scrobbler.log entry?
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21.06.12 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Gettfo: PMing someone without invitation is considered rude. What part of my statement did you not understand? Go to the official site, and click the "Manual" link, it's not very hard.
21.06.28 #       <Mikachu> since he was on the web irc, you'd think he found rockbox.org :)
21.08.11 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> He PMed me with just a question mark.
21.08.30 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> I assume that's ipodwizardforumese for "I demand further clarification, you fool!"
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21.22.42 #       <blue_lizard> hi @all
21.22.58 #       <blue_lizard> is there a posibility to set the font color within the wps?
21.23.08 #       <petur> sure
21.23.25 #       <Mikachu> you do that in the theme .cfg file
21.23.33 #       <petur> well... it will be the same in wps and browser
21.23.41 #       <blue_lizard> great in the theme
21.23.54 #       <blue_lizard> i will take a look at it
21.23.56 #       <blue_lizard> thx
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21.24.46 #       <petur> like this: foreground color: <hex value here>
21.25.00 #       <blue_lizard> petur: 2 x thx
21.25.26 #       <blue_lizard> i also ha a feature requast but i dont know it is usable at all
21.25.46 #       <blue_lizard> i use my mp3 player a lot with audiobooks
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21.26.03 #       <blue_lizard> and therefore it would be more usefull if ff would be adaptive
21.26.13 #       <blue_lizard> or fb
21.26.20 #       <blue_lizard> not in seconds
21.26.39 #       <blue_lizard> it would be nice to have it in  fileplaytime/50
21.26.43 #       <blue_lizard> as an axample
21.27.00 #       <blue_lizard> would that be usefull for other too?
21.29.16 #       <Soap> being able to do simple math in WPSs would be nice in general.
21.30.37 #       <Lear> blue_lizard: and increasing acceleration isn't enough?
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21.31.47 #       <blue_lizard> Lear: shure it is enough but not helpfull
21.32.16 #       <blue_lizard> if you hear music it is to quick becaus you have set it up for audio books that are 30 minutes or longer
21.32.56 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> blue_lizard: Have you *tried* Rockbox's fast forward?
21.33.07 #       <blue_lizard> if it would be a fraction of the filelength it would fitt all filelength
21.33.10 #       <Kasperle> the firmware build builds a bootloader.img and bootloader.bin of roughly 1 GB each. and if i then run ipod_fw according to the bootloader building howto, ipod_fw will create a rockboot.bin of roughly the same size. that doesn't seem quite right? (I built it for an iPod 5G from current CVS)
21.33.10 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> blue_lizard: It accelerates as you hold it down, and then slows again as you near the end of the file.
21.33.26 #       <blue_lizard> Paul_the_Nerd: i know and i use it
21.34.00 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kasperle: That's entirely wrong.
21.34.43 #       <blue_lizard> but i think forwarding in filelength fractions would be more usable
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21.35.31 #       <Kasperle> Paul_the_Nerd: any ideas? ;) i'm quite sure i followed the instructions to the point. I tried it on a clean copy of the CVS without the 5.5G patches, too
21.35.56 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kasperle: So, any time you try compiling a bootloader, after running make you get a giant .bin file?
21.36.03 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Even with clean CVS sources?
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21.36.39 #       <Kasperle> Paul_the_Nerd: yes.
21.36.51 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kasperle: I really have no clue...
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21.38.52 #       <maxisss> hey
21.38.52 #       <Kasperle> apparently arm-elf-objcopy creates the huge bootloader/bootloader.bin from bootloader/bootloader.elf
21.39.00 #       <maxisss> can someone help with with my ipod mini 2g
21.39.22 #       <maxisss> my ipod isn't detecting in windows or itunes
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21.39.42 #       <maxisss> when i connect it, it just says 'charing'
21.39.50 #       <maxisss> *charging'
21.40.20 #       <maxisss> and in itunes
21.40.24 #       <maxisss> it says that my ipod is corrupted
21.41.02 #       <Soap> maxisss - did you ever have rockbox running on your ipod successfully?
21.41.09 #       <maxisss> yeah
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21.41.16 #       <maxisss> it was working fine
21.41.30 #       <Soap> and did you do something to cause this change, or did it just happen the last time you plugged it in?
21.41.47 #       <maxisss> i just plugged it in right now
21.41.50 #       <maxisss> and then it says that
21.41.57 #       <maxisss> im pretty sure i didn't do anything
21.42.02 #       <maxisss> unless there's something in the options for rockbox
21.42.05 #       <Soap> did you update itunes?
21.42.18 #       <maxisss> nope
21.42.26 #       <maxisss> there are no updates for ipod minis... :(
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21.44.02 #       <maxisss> and it has the charging icon on the ipod
21.44.33 #       <maxisss> hmm
21.44.38 #       <maxisss> im going to try restarting my computer
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21.45.41 #       <Kasperle> Paul_the_Nerd: bootloader/bootloader.bin is a 1.1G sparse file though (using only 88kB on disk), whereas bootloader.img and rockboot.bin are 1.1G on disk
21.47.12 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kasperle: I'm not sure why it's ending up so big, because it really shouldn't be remotely close to that size
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21.48.03 #       <Kasperle> i'll try building the 2.5 release
21.48.51 #       <PaulJam> 2.5 was before the ipod port
21.50.07 #       <Kasperle> heh. ok ;)
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21.53.21 #       <bluebrother> blue_lizard, how about using bookmarks?
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21.57.06 #       <blue_lizard> blue_lizard: bookmarks are great if you have set some
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21.57.26 #       <blue_lizard> but you dont if you have fallen asleep while hearing the book
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21.59.13 #       <luckz> obo: I don't have the entry anymore; where does rockscrobbler.pl write the ignored.log and submitted.log exactly? same folder as original .scrobbler.log or elsewhere?
21.59.15 #       <blue_lizard> rofl
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21.59.24 #       <blue_lizard> <blue_lizard> blue_lizard: bookmarks are great if you have set some
21.59.38 #       <blue_lizard> bluebrother: bookmarks are great if you have set some
21.59.45 #       <blue_lizard> but you dont if you have fallen asleep while hearing the book
22.00.14 #       <obo> luckz: it doesn't, unless you use the -v option
22.00.22 #       <luckz> obo: I did.
22.00.36 #       <bluebrother> ok, that's a point. But you could set one before it gets dangerous falling to sleep ;-)
22.00.47 #       <blue_lizard> lol
22.00.59 #       <blue_lizard> i go with the rockbox to bed
22.01.11 #       <blue_lizard> sometimes it take one hour sometime 5 minutes
22.01.46 #       <obo> luckz: then it will be in your current working directory
22.01.47 #       <blue_lizard> the shutdowntime is really great
22.01.56 #       <blue_lizard> the shutdowntimer is really great
22.02.48 #       * Genre9mp3 would fall asleep in less than a minute if he ever listened to an audiobook
22.03.16 #       <blue_lizard> Genre9mp3: great a new use for rockbox
22.03.22 #       <blue_lizard> a cure against insomnia
22.04.03 #       <Genre9mp3> blue_lizard: I guess so... now I have to find an audiobook file ;)
22.04.23 #       <blue_lizard> rofl
22.04.39 #       <blue_lizard> here in gemany they are sold at bookstores
22.04.42 #       <blue_lizard> +r
22.06.33 #       <Mikachu> there is also the internet
22.06.52 #       <blue_lizard> some libraries have some too
22.07.16 #       <Genre9mp3> Mikachu: Internet? What is that? :P
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22.08.01 #       <blue_lizard> Genre9mp3: thets the place where kiddies get porn even if they dont want to
22.09.09 #       <Genre9mp3> blue_lizard: I hope there isn't any audioporn out there...
22.09.20 #       <blue_lizard> Genre9mp3: sorry but there is
22.09.51 #       <blue_lizard> not porn as known on the net more like erotic books
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22.10.38 #       <Genre9mp3> erotic audiobooks?
22.11.17 #       <Genre9mp3> If so, this will definitely not cure my insomnia! :P
22.11.50 #       <blue_lizard> Genre9mp3: you could also use tales for children
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22.17.18 #       <Genre9mp3> blue_lizard: This page seems interesting (I guess you already know) : http://librivox.org
22.17.19 #       <Kasperle> could someone try building an iPod 5G bootloader and upload the generated bootloader/bootloader.elf someplace?
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22.22.22 #       <blue_lizard> Genre9mp3: no, that site is new to me
22.22.25 #       <blue_lizard> thx
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22.26.03 #       <Lear> lostlogic: around?
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22.28.34 #       <bluebrother> hmm. Is there a reason why make manual doesn't work when configured as sim / default build?
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22.32.14 #       <Lear> lostlogic: anyway, RINGBUF_ADD_CROSS doesn't work in audio_read_file when both p1 and p2 are zero (like after the buffer wrap on initial buffer fill). It doesn't detect the overlap.
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22.33.22 #       <Lear> Changing the macro to what should work in that place ("p1 < p2" -> "p1 <= p2") makes it break in other places.
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22.37.09 #       <Lear> Erh, not really other places, but rather, in other situations, like the very first call to audio_read_file. :)
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22.50.45 #       <lostlogic> Lear: hmm... shitty.
22.52.07 #       <lostlogic> Lear: Wait... how do they ever get back to zero,zero... that should be an in possible state
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22.53.18 #       <lostlogic> Lear: the copy_n calculation should only ever allow it to buf_widx = buf_ridx-1 but never buf_widx = buf_ridx
22.53.37 #       <lostlogic> Lear:  plus on initial fill, buf_ridx should be advancing as the music plays so that they never are at zero,zero
22.57.38 #       * petur wants to point out that he encountered some seeking weirdness: starting a song in a dir and let it play for a short while, then seek back into the first 10-ish seconds started playing a short part of a song that was further on the list...
22.59.33 #       <Lear> petur: sounds like it could be that problem.
23.00.11 #       <petur> At one point it even managed to just continue that 'wrong' song
23.01.11 #       <Lear> lostlogic: well, it happens in the simulator at least. And the behaviour there is similar to target at least. Will have to test on target to tell how similar (don't remember)...
23.02.16 #       <petur> jhMikeS: around?
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23.02.32 #       <Lear> lostlogic: btw, the check that fails, and causes problems, is the one with buf_widx and CUR_TI->buf_idx.
23.03.10 #       <Lear> I.e., it doesn't detect that it has started overwriting the already played stuff.
23.04.55 #       <Lear> So when I seek back to the start of the file, it doesn't detect that part of the file isn't buffered any more. This will in turn trigger a buffer refill (since widx and ridx are wrong)...
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23.09.35 #       <Kitt0s> how come i can't find the multi userfonts patch?
23.09.35 #       <Kitt0s> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=userfonts&type=4&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=&date=0
23.10.16 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4733
23.10.45 #       <Kitt0s> multifont-20060930.patch
23.10.50 #       <Kitt0s> i need multifont-userfonts
23.10.59 #       <lostlogic> Lear: ahhhh, gotcha -- yeah, my mistake.
23.11.20 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Kitt0s: Well, ask whoever told you that you need it, where to get it from.
23.11.29 #       <Kitt0s> i have it
23.11.39 #       <Kitt0s> i want the tracker so i can find an older version
23.11.54 #       <Paul_the_Nerd> Maybe they never posted it to the tracker
23.14.22 #       <bluebrother> tucoz, do you have any deeper knowledge of the build system?
23.14.37 #       <tucoz> in what way?
23.15.44 #       <tucoz> I guess i don't have that though.
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23.19.31 #       <jhMikeS> petur: sort of around
23.19.52 #       <Lear> lostlogic: another thing, calls to audio_read_file needs checking. You changed the argument from a bool to an int, but didn't change any of the calls.
23.21.05 #       <preglow> nice
23.21.07 #       <preglow> heh
23.21.26 #       <bluebrother> tucoz, I was thinking it would be nice if one could issue a "make manual" when configured as sim or default build
23.21.45 #       <bluebrother> but the build system is a bit complicated.
23.22.00 #       <tucoz> yes. that is above my abilities. sorry
23.22.05 #       <bluebrother> at least I need to understand it better
23.22.26 #       <bluebrother> adding something that converts html to txt wasn't too complicated.
23.22.47 #       <tucoz> while your'e at it. is it hard to include the html directory to the make clean option?
23.22.59 #       <tucoz> *you're
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23.23.49 #       * petur swears at the nick detection script not working
23.24.31 #       <bluebrother> no
23.24.38 #       <pixelma> bluebrother: "make manual" already works (tried in a sim under cygwin)
23.24.49 #       <lostlogic> Lear: they're all fine ;)
23.24.58 #       <lostlogic> Lear: the new functionality is backward compatible
23.25.24 #       <jhMikeS> petur: here!
23.25.55 #       <petur> jhMikeS: just compared CVS and patched recording in WAV/stereo/44kHz: CVS version does start/stop times correct (30 seconds prerec, no missing samples at the end), the patched version gives me 36 seconds prerec and also no missing stuff at the end (which must thus be related to the mp3 encoder)
23.26.27 #       <petur> so your patch certainly breacs pre-rec, tho not in a bad way
23.26.31 #       <jhMikeS> petur: I never could get any missing samples myself.
23.26.53 #       <petur> you mean at the end?
23.27.04 #       <bluebrother> pixelma, strange. When configuring it as sim it doesn't work for me (on linux)
23.27.40 #       <jhMikeS> petur: yep...kept talking into the mic and hitting stop and it always got everything. I can't duplicate that one.
23.27.45 #       <luckz> petur: heya :p
23.28.32 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, it starts building, but stops at the platform file
23.28.43 #       <petur> jhMikeS: ok, let me re-test that to make sure then
23.28.44 #       <bluebrother> tucoz, same for me.
23.28.46 #       <jhMikeS> petur: but I did have a little mistake adding up the total time of the encoder chunks but got that.
23.29.00 #       <petur> ok
23.29.25 #       <pixelma> the pdf ends up in a "manual" folder inside the build directory (configured as sim - just tested a normal build, too)
23.29.27 #       <bluebrother> tucoz, does is copy rockbox-build.pdf to the folder you ran make in?
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23.29.54 #       <jhMikeS> petur: can pastebin the modified function...got some other changes that would make a patch impossible atm.
23.30.24 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, no. it does not build a .pdf. But I guess the rest of the dir is there. Like a normal manual build
23.30.40 #       <tucoz> It does not get to the stage where a pdf is produced
23.30.42 #       <petur> jhMikeS: no hurry, want to do some isp1362 stuff tonight
23.31.15 #       <bluebrother> I was imprecise. I meant when building the manual the usual way
23.31.59 #       <tucoz> no. rockbox-build.pdf is in the manual-dir
23.32.17 #       <tucoz> hmm. let me check again.
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23.33.08 #       <tucoz> no, the file is not copied
23.33.17 #       <jhMikeS> petur: to get the full duplex stuff working I'm just separating dma transfer from the mid-level recording code. There'll be a pcm-coldfire.c or something at some point that handles DMA transfer in general.
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23.34.28 #       <preglow> hrm
23.34.34 #       <bluebrother> it doesn't get copied for me but if I understand the Makefile correctly it should end up as rockbox-<player>-<version>.pdf in the build dir.
23.34.38 #       * preglow has forogtten how resume works in rockbox
23.34.43 #       <lostlogic> Lear: http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/playback_buffer_overlap_fix_equal.patch
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23.35.19 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, i think i know why it stops at the platform file. That is called h120 in the sim, but h1xx for the manual. That is why it isn't found
23.35.26 #       <lostlogic> Lear: a more graceful solution isn't coming to mind, and that is the technical definition of the overlap situations.
23.36.13 #       <tucoz> pixelma, you probably built a manual where the ARCHOS= is the same for both sim/default as for the manual.
23.36.31 #       <bluebrother> ah, yes. The h300 manual works
23.36.39 #       <tucoz> i think that is fixable
23.36.55 #       <tucoz> I changed the configure script ages to ago for something like that
23.37.09 #       <bluebrother> then someone should fix that ;-)
23.37.09 #       <pixelma> tried h10 (sim) and ondiofm (build)
23.37.21 #       <tucoz> I think it was when the ondios were split in two manuals.
23.37.24 #       * Soap interjects into the manual discussion that the Nano manual needs to talk about the differences between the 1st and 2nd generation Nanos.
23.37.30 #       <bluebrother> let's see if I succeed.
23.37.45 #       <tucoz> pixelma, try the h120 sim, and build a manual. That will fail.
23.37.47 #       <Lear> lostlogic: not quite fully backwards compatible. In one case, the current seek target is the argument. Having a "min buffer size" of, say, 20 MB isn't that great, I'd think.
23.38.11 #       <Lear> lostlogic: I'll have a quick check on the patch, but it's getting kind of late here...
23.38.46 #       <lostlogic> Lear: it's small -- ah, I must not have caught the existing call with an int.  I'll check it out.
23.39.22 #       <petur> jhMikeS: strange, now I have no missing samples at the end now when recording mp3... either it was too late when I tried it or it's something glitchy.
23.39.26 #       <Lear> lostlogic: patch looking good; didn't think of filerem myself. (Not that familiar with the code, so...)
23.39.57 #       <Lear> lostlogic: the call is in the audio_rebuffer_and_seek call.
23.40.06 #       <Lear> s/call/function/
23.40.08 #       <lostlogic> Lear: hmm.. the call with the seek target is what I changed it to an int for -- you must read at least as far into a file as the seek target, or badness happens
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23.40.19 #       <tucoz> Soap, do you think it's enough to call the nano, nano 1st gen
23.40.29 #       <tucoz> Soap, on the front page
23.40.33 #       <lostlogic> ah, should be newpos - CUR_TI->startpos perhaps?
23.40.53 #       <Lear> Yes, that sounds about right...
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23.41.23 #       <Soap> tucoz - that should be enough, though there have been two newbies in the last two days who didn't grasp the whole 1st/2nd generation Nano thing.
23.41.30 #       <preglow> anyone care to tell me how resume works at the codec api layer?
23.41.32 #       <bluebrother> ok, fmrecorder, recorderv2 and ipodmini2g builds should also fail
23.41.36 #       <lostlogic> Lear: actually the existing code is right
23.42.00 #       <lostlogic> see the line about 14 lines up "newpos = conf_preseek" when newpos starts out larger than conf_preseek
23.42.09 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, probably. This is harder to fix than I first thought.
23.42.17 #       <Soap> tucoz - on the Wiki page I said "plastic front, not the all aluminum bodied 2nd generation"
23.42.18 #       <lostlogic> preglow: I thought you wrote it, I don't remember :-\
23.42.39 #       <tucoz> Soap, do you know LaTeX?
23.42.53 #       <Soap> but anything is better than now.  For if someone goes straight to downloads, and installs from the manual, there is nothing telling them this is not for a second generation nano also.
23.43.14 #       <Soap> tucoz - no I don't.  I could read up on it this week.
23.43.19 #       <jhMikeS> petur: maybe you just hit stop too soon? ;)
23.43.23 #       <tucoz> Soap, or that is not needed actually. If you tell me what to write, and where to put it, it is a quick fix.
23.43.25 #       <preglow> lostlogic: i haven't written anything playback.c
23.43.37 #       <tucoz> Soap, plain text will do :)
23.43.39 #       <Lear> lostlogic: true, but that is ugly... Changing newpos to something completely different. :)
23.43.43 #       <lostlogic> preglow: oh, at the codec api layer
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23.43.49 #       <preglow> lostlogic: aye
23.43.53 #       <jhMikeS> petur: If anything, you should end up with slightly more data since the stop could be delayed.
23.44.01 #       <lostlogic> Lear: yeah, another variable is in order, fine fine.
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23.44.47 #       <lostlogic> preglow: there are two ways for it to work, see audio_load_track near "if (offset > 0)"
23.44.50 #       <tucoz> LaTeX is quite similiar to the wiki syntax.
23.45.23 #       <lostlogic> preglow: for codecs that we don't support full streaming on, it just sets the offset var on the api
23.45.39 #       <tucoz> (in concept at least)
23.45.48 #       <lostlogic> preglow: for codecs that support full streaming, it just seeks the file and sets the codec api variables appropriately
23.47.55 #       <Lear> lostlogic: for my test case, the patch it seems to work fine.
23.48.04 #       <Lear> works fine, I meant to say. :)
23.48.17 #       <preglow> lostlogic: 'full streaming' in this context meaning...?
23.49.30 #       <bluebrother> tucoz, I think I found a solution :)
23.49.44 #       <Lear> preglow: I'd say, "don't need to read any file header data".
23.49.50 #       <tucoz> good. may i ask what the strategy was?
23.49.57 #       <lostlogic> preglow: mp3 can start from anywhere in the file, it's the only codec that we've taught to do that so far
23.50.18 #       <preglow> lostlogic: looks like wavpack does that too
23.50.25 #       <Lear> lostlogic: because it's "naked" frames and no container.
23.50.29 #       <lostlogic> oops, yeah.
23.50.36 #       <bluebrother> replace the ARCHOS variable in the manual makefile with something else. Set this to the value of ARCHOS until one of the affected builds is chosen.
23.50.38 #       <lostlogic> Lear: yep
23.50.46 #       <preglow> Lear: some variants of aac are like that too
23.51.00 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, i see.
23.51.11 #       <preglow> perhaps all, i don't know which format ended up the most popular
23.51.14 #       <Lear> preglow: none that we support though. But don't they contain a small header (or what is that ADTS I've read about).
23.51.23 #       <bluebrother> But I need to test it a bit to make sure I didn't broke anything
23.51.54 #       <preglow> Lear: dunno what they're called, but you've got one aac format with a small header describing all frames, then a format that's more like mp3
23.52.00 #       <preglow> again, don't know if both are in regular use
23.52.01 #       <tucoz> Can you include the html dir to make clean as well?
23.52.50 #       <bluebrother> damn. Sim doesn't build anymore.
23.52.59 #       <bluebrother> tucoz, I'll do that.
23.53.44 #       <tucoz> good. i see where that should be added, but i figured, since you are working on the makefiles.
23.53.52 #       <Lear> Hm.. AC3 decoder could probably be made "fully streaming".
23.54.43 Quit    Parachutes ("oh shi-")
23.57.11 #       <preglow> lostlogic: is there any point in setting the offset value for those codecs? doesn't look like they use the value at all, and there's really no reason they should
23.57.44 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, so the clean entry in the Makefile in the manual directory is in fact never called.
23.58.14 #       <lostlogic> preglow: sadly, I have no idea what that value is used for... does it get transferred to seek_time automatically somehow to make the codec startup and then immediately seek to the desired position?
23.58.21 #       <bluebrother> it could get called if someone cd's into that dir.
23.58.24 #       <lostlogic> preglow: those codecs definitely do support resume, so ...
23.58.31 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, aha
23.58.33 #       <Lear> preglow: you mean at end of audio_load_track?
23.58.41 #       <bluebrother> but the change is needed in the configure script
23.58.46 #       <Lear> offset is used for resume in several formats.