--- Log for 24.10.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 10 hours ago 00.00.47 # Don't forget that the new dma needs to be set up rather quick 00.01.02 Join vg [0] (i=a46fc5ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.01.08 # hello 00.01.14 # obo? 00.01.27 # does anyone know why browsing through the filebrowser is slow? 00.01.29 # yup? 00.01.37 # Without some effective mutex it won't nescessarily be peaking the correct position 00.02.30 # seems like the buffer needs to be larger maybe 00.02.35 # I'm trying to keep it all minimal. Doesn't really do any more than the playback does. 00.02.48 # it browses faster when the file names are shorter 00.03.02 # is there anyway i can increase the buffer size? 00.03.17 # That has nothing to do with the buffer size 00.03.29 # The whole directory is buffered at once 00.03.37 # so the solution is what? 00.03.44 # smaller directories? 00.03.51 # eg, less files in the directory? 00.03.57 # ? 00.04.26 # when i go to a folder, say my latest music folder. and i am browsing through the files in it, it scrolls very slow 00.04.27 # I didn't observe browsing speed to depend on the number of files... 00.04.28 # vg: more font drawing and string operations I'd guess 00.04.46 # i am using a theme 00.05.02 # so if i put it in the default theme it might go faster? 00.05.22 # drivers/lcd-16bit.c: In function 'lcd_puts_customline_scroll_style_offset': 00.05.24 # drivers/lcd-16bit.c:881: error: 'struct scrollinfo' has no member named 'fgcolor 00.05.26 # ' 00.05.28 # drivers/lcd-16bit.c:882: error: 'struct scrollinfo' has no member named 'bgcolor 00.05.31 # ' 00.05.35 # what does that mean ?:| 00.05.53 # one other thing ive noticed.. if i have one song playing, and and i am looking through to dir to queue another song, if i scroll to quickly than the audio freezes for a moment 00.06.07 # *too 00.06.24 # Kitt0s: Do you know C? 00.06.45 # yea but y doesn't it make a new member then? 00.07.00 # It? What it? 00.07.11 # oh well, maybe if i use tagcache instead than it will be faster 00.07.18 Quit vg ("CGI:IRC") 00.07.18 Quit lodesi ("leaving") 00.08.03 # i don't get it :\ 00.09.02 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 00.09.24 # ahhhh 00.09.26 # i seeeeee :] 00.11.45 Quit obo ("bye") 00.27.17 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.27.55 Quit akaias (Remote closed the connection) 00.28.47 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@76.16.18.102) 00.29.17 Quit akaias (Client Quit) 00.35.34 Join ArisGardelis [0] (n=Q@athedsl-147009.otenet.gr) 00.35.50 # "Greetings Robots" 00.36.31 # has anyone started porting rockbox on gigabeat s ??? 00.47.09 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.47.36 # ArisGardelis: AFAIK there is work only for Gigabeat F and X 00.50.21 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.51.15 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.54.09 Quit matsl (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.59.58 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.00.12 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54932970.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.02.34 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.03.08 Quit MarcoPolo (Client Quit) 01.04.47 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 01.05.16 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.05.44 # it is so that aac plays nicely on h1x0 nowadays, yas? 01.06.21 # I think up to ~192 last I heard. 01.08.37 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.09.00 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.09.18 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.20 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.12.37 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-232-139.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 01.12.47 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 01.16.01 Join geniuetrader [0] (n=focker@80.255.58.169) 01.16.15 # i have uk cc and login.all i need is us cc and login.ripper stay clear. 01.16.24 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-79-14-102.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 01.17.06 # Paul_the_Nerd: just downloaded my first aac files ever, not counting test files 01.17.08 # :Z 01.17.17 # Hahaha 01.17.27 # I had a test file at one point, but I'm not sure what happened to it. I've lost it somewhere 01.19.21 # oh wait, no, i also have a podcast 01.20.02 Join greatseller [0] (n=loeo@80.255.58.169) 01.21.33 # i sell us cc and login.uk cc and login.i accept e-gold only.ripper keep off. 01.21.53 # do you now 01.22.02 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.22.18 # how's about you don't sell it here 01.22.47 # what? 01.23.16 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.23.46 # i have uk cc and login.all i need is us cc and login.ripper stay clear. 01.24.15 # Go away. 01.24.23 Mode "#rockbox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 01.24.37 Kick (#rockbox geniuetrader :preglow) by preglow!n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow 01.24.37 Join geniuetrader [0] (n=focker@80.255.58.169) 01.25.28 Quit ArisGardelis () 01.28.42 Quit RogerBacon (Remote closed the connection) 01.32.11 # should i ban these monkeCys before i go to bed in case they act the fool again? 01.32.17 # s/C// 01.32.45 # I say yes. I think it's pretty clear they're not interested in Rockbox at all anyway. 01.32.49 Mode "#rockbox +b #rockbox!*@* " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) 01.32.53 Kick (#rockbox geniuetrader :preglow) by preglow!n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow 01.32.54 Join geniuetrader [0] (n=focker@80.255.58.169) 01.33.06 # i sell us cc and login.uk cc and login.i accept e-gold only.ripper keep off. 01.33.06 # eh 01.33.13 Mode "#rockbox -b #rockbox!*@* " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) 01.33.14 # i have uk cc and login.all i need is us cc and login.ripper stay clear. 01.33.31 Quit JoeBorn ("be back shortly") 01.33.34 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*@80.255.58.169 " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) 01.33.39 Kick (#rockbox geniuetrader :preglow) by preglow!n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow 01.33.42 Kick (#rockbox greatseller :preglow) by preglow!n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow 01.33.55 # right, right, this is freenode 01.34.20 Mode "#rockbox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) 01.35.01 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.37.13 # hrm 01.38.13 # goldnode 01.41.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.44.18 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.45.11 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.47.09 # preglow 01.47.11 # you here? 01.47.13 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.50.11 # chris088589: said he was going to bed 01.50.31 Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection) 01.51.10 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839277.dsl.bell.ca) 01.54.22 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.55.14 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 02.00.58 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-4-88.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 02.01.40 Join sandoaway [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 02.01.40 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.01.47 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-4-88.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 02.02.01 Quit MarcoPolo (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.02.01 Quit Rob2222 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 Quit Genre9mp3 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 Quit EspeonEefi (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 Quit sando (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 Quit Kitt0s (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 Quit gtkspert (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 Quit crwl (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 Quit Hadaka (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 Quit Xerion (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.01 Quit lostlogic (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.26 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.02.26 NJoin MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 02.02.26 NJoin Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 02.02.26 NJoin EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-SIX-NINETEEN.MIT.EDU) 02.02.26 NJoin sando [0] (n=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 02.02.26 NJoin Kitt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.94.187.61.cable.012.net.il) 02.02.26 NJoin Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 02.02.26 NJoin gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 02.02.26 NJoin crwl [0] (n=crawlie@kekkone.kekkola.jyu.fi) 02.02.26 NJoin Hadaka [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 02.02.26 NJoin lostlogic [0] (n=lostlogi@temporal.lostlogicx.com) 02.03.05 NJoin Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB6922D.ipt.aol.com) 02.04.19 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 02.05.24 # does Rockbox always run in supervisor mode on arm (pp5020)? 02.06.17 # * RogerBacon OFFICIAL : First step to hack the Gigabeat S. I have the file and dir and try to find more information with fdisk ... 02.06.20 # barrywardell: I'm pretty sure it does. 02.07.14 Join webguest50 [0] (i=4cab7b56@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.07.41 # Does anyone know how to copy text from eterm in VMware? 02.08.48 # webguest50: pencil and paper? There's supposed to be some tools or something but I haven't seen em. 02.09.20 # barrywardell: yes it does 02.09.33 Quit stripwax (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02.09.41 # dan_a: so asm volatile("msr cpsr_c, #0x13"); would enable irq and fiq in cpsr? 02.11.14 # preglow: can't sleep huh? 02.11.58 # jhMikeS: didn't try yet, got intercepted at the last moment 02.13.42 # barrywardell: Off the top of my head, I'm not sure. 02.13.57 # * dan_a needs to get an ARM book to keep by him 02.13.57 # i think it should but was just checking 02.14.46 # dan_a: also, in your cop patch, you use if(CURRENT_CORE == CPU) 02.14.57 # does that work with rockbox cvs 02.15.03 # or does it require your patch? 02.15.36 # It should work with current CVS - I'm pretty sure it's used in the threading code. 02.16.20 # CURRENT_CORE and CPU should be defined in firmware/export/pp5020.h 02.16.52 # Sorry, that's not true 02.17.26 # They're defined in firmware/export/config.h 02.17.33 # ok, thanks 02.18.31 Quit webguest50 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.19.08 # barrywardell: sorry for the interupt, but can you remember the keys in the Sansa simulator (just used your patch) I am having difficulties with up/down 02.19.16 # CURRENT_CORE is hardcoded to 0 on single core architectures (including PP chips until the dual core patch works properly,) or current_core() on dual core. 02.20.15 # barrywardell: nevermind... just found out... it's 3 and 9 02.20.16 # Genre9mp3; 8=top button, 2=bottom, 9=scroll_up, 3=scroll_down, 4=left, 6=right 02.20.17 # * jhMikeS wonders why sim keys aren't all the same 02.20.30 # barrywardell: thanx 02.20.43 # jhMikeS: the Sansa has (kinda) two versions of up/down 02.20.49 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.21.36 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 02.22.59 # thanks dan_a. i'm trying out something with frequency scaling 02.23.04 # barrywardell: there's one where left/right == up/down and vice versa too. 02.23.31 # barrywardell: I think setting the CPSR to 0x13 disables IRQ and FIQ. crt0-pp sets it to 0xd3 before jumping to main() 02.23.42 Quit sando (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.25.01 # dan_a: hmm. i have it backwards so? i'm looking at a manual that says that bits 6 and 7 disable fiq and irq when they're set 02.25.21 # Gigabeat S file system : HDD /dev/sda: 60.0 Go, 60011642880 octets 64 head, 32 sector, 57231 cylinders Unit = cylinders of 2048 * 512 = 1048576 octets 02.25.57 # RogerBacon: Pasting things into a channel doesn't do much good... 02.26.06 # dan_a: and at the start of crt0-pp.S it uses 0xd3 to disable irq??? 02.26.15 Join linuxstb [0] (i=d0a8e23c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.27.28 # barrywardell: I stand corrected 02.27.46 # fdisk tell me that is not a valid filesystem ! any idea ? 02.27.49 # haha... pong is at a very high difficulty on the Sansa! :) 02.28.13 # dan_a: but then where do irqs get enabled at all? 02.29.08 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 02.30.43 # * jhMikeS 's H120 has shipped :))) 02.31.59 # barrywardell: By the look of it, when set_irq_level is called. That's defined in firmware/export/system.h 02.34.02 # ah yes. i see it now 02.34.12 # * barrywardell is still getting to grips with arm 02.34.42 # punny! :) 02.35.02 # * Paul_the_Nerd rolls his eyes. 02.36.26 # anyone happen to remember the approx size limit for romvbox on the FM recorder? 02.36.36 # 233k? 02.36.45 # hurrah! 02.36.51 # 233456 or something 02.36.59 # The number seemed really contrived when I saw it 02.36.59 # that means i have plenty to spare =) 02.37.08 # You've been trimming? 02.37.08 # 228KB 02.37.30 # Huzzah, an actually correct number. 02.37.32 # 228*1024 - 16 02.37.49 # made a patch that gets rid of tagcache...i knew i am fine on space, but was wondering how much spare space i have 02.38.03 Part RogerBacon ("Quitte") 02.38.20 # sad thing, is that i ifdefed something important out in tree.c and have yet to figure out what it is exactly... 02.38.40 # scorche: brutal 02.39.11 # rombox.ucl is 221,006 bytes without tagcache 02.39.22 # for FM recorder 02.39.51 # You cannot know exactly until you've put back your important thing 02.40.08 # lol 02.40.53 # i know...but approx 02.41.46 # pressing play on anything in the tree or setting config files/themes/etc isnt working...nor is going forward on any folder to open it 02.41.51 # and when i am in the menu and press the button to get out of the menu, it freezes 02.41.54 # =/ 02.42.24 # sounds like some issue with updating in tree.c? 02.42.33 # The available space for rombox is 228KB on all archoses except Player which has 232KB available 02.43.19 # ...unless you've put in a 512KB flash eprom, then you have plenty of space 02.43.40 # scorche: I tried compiling an iPod build recently, and left entered folders, and right exited them... Not quite the same problem, but it was weird menu behaviour. 02.44.42 # anyone with intimate knowledge of tree.c willing to have a quick look at it for me? 02.47.09 # * dan_a goes to bed 02.47.50 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.49.18 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.49.26 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 02.49.27 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.57.58 Quit pagefault ("Leaving") 03.02.59 Join iFantasmic [0] (i=428da535@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 03.03.42 Join cool [0] (i=428da535@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 03.03.46 Quit iFantasmic (Client Quit) 03.03.48 # hi 03.03.57 # i need some help...is anyone here? 03.05.01 # * scorche looks over and sees that 113 people/bots are here 03.05.01 Quit cool (Client Quit) 03.05.26 # just barely over a min of waiting 03.12.12 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 03.16.18 Quit pixelma (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 03.25.49 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.27.57 # barrywardell: are you able to build the sim on osx? 03.28.34 # midgey34: i've had a little trouble recently but managed to get it working 03.28.54 # there's a problem with debug_menu.c which was causing me trouble 03.28.55 # hmm, it fails here 03.29.00 # any fix? 03.29.25 # I can send you a patch which just disables the debug menu if you want 03.29.48 # that'd work fine 03.29.57 # ok, hang on a sec 03.36.25 # midgey34: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sim_osx.patch 03.37.53 # all right, thanks 03.38.00 # midgey34: you also need to copy the file apps/bitmaps/mono/osx.dummy.bmp to apps/plugins/bitmaps/mono 03.38.27 # and to apps/plugins/bitmaps/remote_mono and apps/plugins/bitmaps/remote_native 03.38.27 # yep, saw that 03.39.13 Quit charkins ("Leaving") 03.40.09 # midgey34: if you can find the problem in debug_menu.c, please let me know 03.40.18 # will do 03.41.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.48.49 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-232-139.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 03.50.43 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.51.31 Join Abst [0] (n=Abst@unaffiliated/abst) 03.55.01 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.56.54 Join neddy [0] (n=js152033@192.18.43.249) 04.00.04 Quit barrywardell () 04.00.31 # Is this true? http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/sandisk-hits-up-rockbox-for-some-firmware/ 04.00.41 # "SanDisk hits up Rockbox for some firmware" ?? 04.01.17 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html 04.02.03 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 04.03.44 # heh 04.03.52 # that's the last word on the subject, I take it 04.05.44 # Well, the port seems to be progressing, even without any documentation from Sansa. The forum thread linked from that page documents the progress. 04.06.56 Quit LandusMikain ("Leaving") 04.08.41 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 04.09.14 # ...long thread 04.13.29 # so what happened? So lowly geek who likes rockbox or oss or something took it upon himself to contact rockbox? 04.13.44 # Or was this an official from sandisk with a title and a business card and everything? 04.13.58 # It was, for all practical purposes, a marketing ploy I think. 04.14.17 # that's kinda sad 04.15.13 # Well it did kinda lead to the H10 port. 04.15.29 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-31-45.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) 04.16.09 # what is H10? 04.16.14 # The iRiver H10 player 04.16.17 # ah 04.21.14 # I was just trolling their web page - they don't seem to have 3rd party developer program 04.21.20 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 04.22.39 # Whose web page? 04.35.09 # I was looking for developer info on sandisk's web page 04.38.09 # No, there's nothing like that. All they did was donate three players to Rockbox. 04.38.27 # I saw 04.39.50 Quit charkins (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.40.06 Quit midgey34 () 04.45.34 Quit Abst ("Died") 04.46.07 Join midgey34 [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 04.49.50 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 04.50.09 # interesting 05.00.55 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.05.33 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.05.40 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54985052.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.06.34 Join JoeBorn2 [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-31-103.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 05.07.05 Nick JoeBorn2 is now known as JoeBorn (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-31-103.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 05.14.43 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-16-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 05.16.03 Part nave7693 05.18.29 Join Sandstar [0] (n=b@00501807da47.click-network.com) 05.19.02 # I need help. 05.24.03 Quit Sandstar () 05.25.07 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 05.38.36 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 05.39.20 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-171.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.39.25 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.40.01 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-171.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.41.19 Quit midgey34 () 05.41.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.54.16 Quit pagefault (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.55.51 Part Paul_the_Nerd 06.03.36 Join Acidictadpole [0] (n=dave@CPE00c0b7a4274a-CM001225448408.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.03.43 # hey. 06.03.52 # Having a weird issue with my 4g 06.04.05 # where i can format it to 1gb only (938mb) 06.06.58 # anyone around? 06.08.30 Join Teknomancer [0] (n=Teknoman@125.22.148.30) 06.08.53 # Acidictadpole: Try using the apple factory reset 06.09.34 # from itunes or a seperate download 06.10.03 # Whichever you can get your hands on, but the seperate one isn't distributed any more 06.10.14 # hmm 06.10.19 # rockbox is already on my ipod 06.10.25 # im not sure how to get itunes to recognize it 06.10.34 # That shouldn't make any difference. 06.10.41 # well itunes doesn't see it 06.10.50 # iTunes still bugs me about my iPod 06.11.35 # Maybe there is something wrong with the harddrive in the iPod? 06.12.32 # it was working before i put rockbox on.. and i haven't dropped it or anything so i wouldn't think so 06.13.18 # Does the OF still work? 06.13.23 # OF? 06.13.35 # Original firmware... sorry 06.13.42 # i dont know 06.13.46 # itunes doesn't see it 06.13.50 # and neithe does windows anymore 06.14.03 # Tried resetting it to disk mode? 06.14.11 # how does one do that? 06.14.34 # Plug it into USB and hold menu and select down for about 20 seconds 06.15.03 # padt the restart? 06.15.08 # past*? 06.15.17 # it should restart into disk mode 06.15.43 # what are the signs that it is in "disk mode" 06.15.58 # should show a usb image on screen 06.16.05 # i dont see it 06.16.14 # could the battery just be really dead? 06.16.18 # it's full 06.16.29 # i recharged it earlier today 06.16.34 # what signs of life is it showing? 06.16.38 # um 06.16.47 # rockbox main menu (recent bookmarks etc) , full battery bar 06.16.54 # clock is right 06.16.58 # light turns on 06.16.59 # oh so rockbox boots... 06.17.01 # i can scroll around 06.17.12 # what happens if you insert the usb while rockbox is running? 06.17.18 # yea, and while trying to move songs over i notice i have a 1gb hard drive 06.17.25 # on whats supposed to be a 20gb 4g 06.17.28 # nothing 06.17.34 # windows doesn't see it as a drive anymore 06.17.38 # and itunes doesnt see it either 06.17.42 # does rockbox restart? 06.17.53 # or do anything at all? 06.17.56 # it can yes 06.18.03 # "it can"? 06.18.11 # i was holding menu and the center button for that 20seconds 06.18.22 # it restarted like 8 times during that 20 secnds 06.18.23 # nono, when you insert the usb, does rockbox quit 06.18.27 # no 06.18.36 # wait 06.18.37 # sounds like a dead usb cable or usb connector 06.18.40 # it's not usb 06.18.42 # im using firewire 06.18.47 # does that make a difference? :/ 06.18.53 # no idea... 06.18.58 # does it need to be usb? ill try 06.19.03 # firewire isnt supported 06.19.16 # ok 06.19.21 # it does something now 06.19.48 # ok that fixed everything 06.19.53 # ;) 06.19.55 # where on the site does it say that btw? just so know ? 06.20.01 # not sure 06.20.03 # hmm 06.20.07 # i would check the manual or FAQ 06.20.09 # I've never heard it, so it can't be that common :S 06.20.09 # well, i iddn't think i missed it 06.20.22 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.20.38 # aliask: it turns out that the person was using firewire quite often actually 06.20.54 # I guess I don't lurk here enough ;) 06.21.34 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6061.0 06.21.47 # And I avoid the forums like the plague. 06.21.56 # hehe 06.22.39 # Thought: shouldn't "like the plague" be update to something like "like hepatitis C"? 06.23.20 # I'm living in the 1600's am I now? 06.23.22 # Acidictadpole: you are right...i dont see it anywhere except in the forums...i will have it be added to the manual 06.23.31 # thanks 06.23.37 # ...when i see someone active who works on the manual ;) 06.23.40 # that confused the crap out of me and my roommate 06.23.42 # Just thinking about modernizing some expression. :) 06.23.48 # cuz I did the ENTIRE installation with firewire 06.23.57 # and even moved over 1gb of songs 06.24.10 # but the problem arose when I noticed i could ONLY move over 1gb 06.24.12 # well, at least it was something easy =) 06.24.34 # And what with "I avoid hepatitis C like the plague"? 06.24.41 # AIDS would probably be more appropriate 06.24.47 # jhMikeS: 06.24.50 # i wouldnt say so 06.24.56 # just woke up 06.25.07 # sleeping at all sorts of wrong hours htese daysd 06.25.36 Quit [sellout] (Client Quit) 06.25.57 # I believe my playback issues (or at least next track issues) where big-audio-patch related 06.26.28 # do you believe this too or is there doubt? 06.26.32 # * jhMikeS is bored and wants to spout on insipidly 06.26.43 # spout on brother! 06.27.00 # Huuuu my exams start in 3 days - time to start studying. 06.27.01 # Davide-NYC: I think there's doubt...simply because the nothing I did controls that 06.27.23 # wel here is what I did which may (or may not) shed light 06.27.36 # Can you reproduce the problem at will? Can you do it on an unpatched build? 06.27.55 # * jhMikeS notices you were gonna say how...:) 06.28.11 # I patched and installed. I downloaded a daily to a folder. I rebooted and reset 06.28.30 Join amb [0] (n=Miranda@ppp106-231.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 06.28.47 # the "next track" was never readbale to my WPS (icatcher) and occaisionally the songs repeated 06.28.54 Nick amb is now known as Coldtoast (n=Miranda@ppp106-231.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 06.29.12 # hi all 06.29.18 # hmmm...I should try a different WPS to test. I just use default with my own font and bg 06.29.28 # I renamed the daily folder to .rockbox and rebooted and reset 06.29.36 # one of my friends with a H300 tells me he has a prob with Rockbox where button presses don't respond sometimes 06.29.37 # problem gone 06.29.53 # well, it doews.. but takes a few seconds 06.30.01 # dircache 06.30.15 # would that be due to the same thing causing fading probs on my ipod? 06.30.18 # Davide-NYC: just that change? 06.30.19 # Coldtoast: tell your friend to enable dircache and then reboot 06.30.24 # ok 06.30.29 # dircache? You mean you have it on? 06.30.35 # I do not 06.30.43 # I was answering coldtoast, sorry 06.30.55 # ok neither do I but I don't have a WPS that looks into the future 06.31.21 # ok. just told him 06.31.22 # icatcher exists for all platforms (I think) 06.31.25 # cheers 06.31.27 # :-) 06.31.35 # I know, I mean I dont use one :) 06.31.38 # thanks 06.31.43 # NP 06.31.56 # I always know the next song is coming 06.32.11 # I wanted to reduce CPU load and not go custom AND have next track displayed 06.32.13 # * jhMikeS will check it right now 06.32.32 # heh. he had that disabled cos he thought, what with him having 9000 tracks, it might chew up memory 06.32.33 # but you're saying iCatcher will do this? 06.33.11 # yes. Icatcher has no peakmeters, exists in all regular builds and shows next track 06.33.36 # I only have about 7700 tracks :( 06.33.37 # It has more iCandy then I would like but hey, you can;t always get what you want 06.33.49 # Make your own 06.34.17 # I would have to make one for all platforms and get it included in CVS to fit my requirements 06.34.26 # I guess I could do that 06.34.28 # :-( 06.34.37 # Testable on the sims no? 06.34.38 # But...when? 06.34.46 # When you're not sleeping? 06.34.54 # haha 06.36.08 # I don't seems to see anything at all on iCatcher .... hrm 06.36.21 # blank screen? 06.36.28 # Just a bg 06.36.52 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection reset by peer) 06.37.03 # well, that's not right. (and this comment is not helpful) 06.37.47 # boxes works though 06.38.16 # WTF. :-( 06.38.38 Quit chris088589 ("Leaving") 06.38.39 # HiPod dark is working 06.39.58 # Dance puff duo is working 06.40.16 # Hey, I have to go but will return tomorrow. I'm in a bit of crunch mode with work (thus the random sleeping) but promise to get some real methodical testing done on the BAP soon. 06.40.28 # nn Davide-NYC 06.40.52 # yes? 06.41.04 # Davide-NYC: see you later...get some sleep and test! :) 06.41.15 # Yes sir! 06.41.24 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 06.46.42 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@76.16.18.102) 06.50.51 Join Abhishek_rulez [0] (n=chatzill@221.128.140.100) 06.51.28 Quit Coldtoast ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.51.54 Join Coldtoast [0] (n=chatzill@ppp106-231.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 06.52.59 Quit Abhishek_rulez (Client Quit) 07.10.40 Join newbyx86_ [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 07.13.45 Quit newbyx86 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.19.30 # is fm radio support planned for the h10? 07.21.55 # if it has the hardware, im sure it is\ 07.22.54 # rigel: just wait long enough and complain often enought and that should work :) 07.26.37 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-66-141-169-210.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.26.38 # jhMikeS: hee. 07.27.11 # while im making demands, better battery life would be nice too. :P 07.27.36 # oh...that one isnt planned though 07.27.43 # in fact, we have planned to make it worse 07.31.50 Quit funky ("leaving") 07.33.28 Join dpro [0] (n=dpro@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 07.33.39 # i'd like to make a demand myself 07.33.53 # i demand a shrubery 07.34.02 # +b 07.34.08 # lol 07.34.38 # i can't find my earphones 07.35.58 # my ipod does an empty battery + lightning icon 07.36.06 # when connecting to usb 07.36.13 # means its charging?:\ 07.36.19 # yar 07.36.29 # yes? 07.36.46 # yar 07.37.00 # yarrr mateyy 07.37.11 # * Nimdae puts his ipod back together 07.37.18 # but y can't i get it into USB mode? 07.37.25 # that a new part of rockbox, or are you referring to a non-rockbox mode 07.37.26 # charge it up a bit 07.37.44 # I demand to know where the better i2c driver for coldfire is hidden...amiconn? 07.37.46 # when it has more of a charge, unplug it and let it reboot 07.37.49 # its wired because it should be full charged 07.37.59 # once it's rebooted, plug it back in 07.38.21 # BHSPitLappy: it shows the bootloader.. then i see the rockbox then it gives the white USB rockbox icon.. then it goes to that screen 07.38.28 # yeah, that's happened to me before, i just left it and did something else, then later did those steps 07.38.34 # wtf rockbox has a disk mode for ipods? 07.38.53 # no 07.38.57 # ;d 07.39.02 # it doesn't have a proper usb implementation from what i understand, so it kicks it to ipod disk mode 07.39.08 # rockbox reacts to usb by switching into emergency diskmode. 07.39.09 # yea 07.39.15 # yes 07.39.21 # http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006490101,00.html 07.39.23 # so if you just want to charge it, hold menu when you plug the cable 07.39.32 # yeah 07.39.33 # Nimdae: not quite...it is more that we havent figured out the USB hardware yet 07.39.40 # no i want disk mode !:\ 07.39.53 # scorche: right, that's what i mean, heh 07.39.55 # btw, i sold my 1 year old photo for 135 euros 07.40.48 # "I turned round and the dog was on fire." 07.40.50 # btw, i think somewhere in the wiki it mentions that rockbox on the ipods can't tell the difference between a real usb connection and just a plain power connection...my rockboxed ipod doesn't reboot to disk mode when i plug in just power 07.40.51 # i would cry... 07.42.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.42.35 # it's actually kinda cool, when i have it in my car, i hit pause to stop playing, stick ipod in a hole, and leave... 07.42.40 # Nimdae: that's why i stopped using rockbox, no sleep mode, no disk mode :( 07.42.54 # then when i get back in and start the car, the power kicks it on so it's booted by the time i'm looking for some tunes 07.43.02 Join webguest22 [0] (i=caad83b9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 07.43.07 # lex: that really doesnt make any sense... 07.43.16 # so it's better to play music on apple os, at school i have to stop the music so many times and so much rebooting isn't good for the battery 07.43.24 # rockbox doesn't have a true sleep mode, yeah, that kinda sucks 07.43.49 # yep yep 07.43.52 # i've also noticed the implementation of repeating a single track is kinda poor 07.44.02 # maybe it works better on nanos, because flash doesn't need so much power as a hard drive 07.44.03 # it'll play the track in the buffer, then it'll requeue it 07.44.05 # rebooting doesnt do bad things to the battery 07.44.09 # meaning it spins up the disk a lot 07.44.21 # rebooting just takes longer 07.44.23 # scorche: not on flash devices, but what about hd-devices 07.44.38 # actually, rebooting does kill the battery on ipods 07.44.40 # every time i reboot to rockbox, the battery drains so much 07.44.50 # i don't know about nanos 07.44.56 # still not really...the only *possible* bad thing is the hd spinning up can cause usual wear...but that would happen anyway 07.44.56 # there's a computer at work that when i plug my ipod into it, it goes into a funky reboot loop, killed it in like a couple hours 07.45.06 # :p 07.45.49 # i plugged it in to charge it from like 70% batt, went to check it so i could listen to it and it was almost completely dead, so i plugged it into another computer, heh 07.45.58 # nice 07.46.21 # my dvb-t -card does that, when i unplug it, sometimes this goes to a reboot loop too :o 07.46.28 # and it's just an usb-card 07.46.41 # but windows is windows 07.46.51 # my usb's doesn't even work on mac osx :( 07.46.51 # Nimdae: that is just because it was constantly accessing and working... 07.46.59 # exactly 07.47.00 Quit webguest22 (Client Quit) 07.47.02 Join webguest22 [0] (i=caad83b9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 07.47.04 # hence rebooting is hard on it 07.47.27 # maybe i should just go to school 07.47.33 # and pack my things up first 07.47.34 # not really...it is just the same as if the buffer was constantly updating 07.47.42 # but usually, it only does the start up once 07.47.49 # yeah 07.47.49 # liek the buffer does that every so often 07.47.57 # my situation was a bit extreme 07.48.04 # i don't see occasional boots being a problem 07.48.16 Join JazzBone [0] (n=chatzill@p509189D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 07.48.20 # having true sleep would just make startup a bit faster 07.48.21 # which is why i said it doesnt "do bad things" 07.48.35 # heh..startup is still pretty fast 07.48.48 # yeah, but i like the almost instant on with the ipod software 07.48.57 # Nimdae: what ipod are you? ;D 07.49.02 # oh no!...not another few seconds! 07.49.04 # =P 07.49.05 # 5g 07.49.25 # hey 07.49.31 # :) 07.49.34 # when i want tunes NOW, i want them 10 minutes ago 07.49.44 # i don't have time for a long boot 07.49.54 # not 9 and 57 seconds ago? =P 07.50.35 # i just installed the lastest build on my h340 and after some use it seems to have frozen 07.50.55 # takes approximately 10 seconds to boot from menu button press to tagcache view 07.51.20 # that should be reduced by at least 8 seconds ;) 07.51.29 Quit webguest22 (Client Quit) 07.52.17 # really, what i want more than anything is the hardware to be figured out so it runs better and has longer battery life 07.52.31 Join Paul_the_Ner1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 07.53.20 # it will...i just find the idea of stopping using rockbox because of a couple seconds 07.53.35 # stupid 07.53.36 # =) 07.53.40 # heh, i was just jerking you around on that ;) 07.53.54 # i like rockbox, i play my big ogg collection on it 07.54.14 # actually, it was lex who said that ;) 07.54.17 Join Rocket220 [0] (n=Rocket22@dsl-202-173-131-185.nsw.westnet.com.au) 07.54.31 # i think he was pullin your leg too :P 07.54.44 # he really only said that it would be nice to have true sleep 07.55.36 # i just installed rockbox for the first time on my h340 and it seems to have frozen after about 30 mins of use 07.55.37 # * scorche shrugs 07.55.48 # does it do that ever time? 07.55.51 # *every 07.56.03 # first time 07.56.47 # installed fine then just froze after going through my media 07.57.09 # reboot it and see if it does it again 07.57.21 # if it's a problem that keeps happening, try to find a way to reproduce it 07.57.46 # how do i reboot it? 07.57.53 # i dunno on the h340 07.58.03 # might try reading the documentation 07.58.16 # if it's frozen, hit the reset button 07.58.27 # i believe there is a hole in the back through which a paperclip can be used 07.58.51 # ok 07.59.13 # don't use a pin or anythign else sharply pointed tho 07.59.42 # seems to have worked 07.59.45 # loaded fine 07.59.55 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-66-30.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.00.13 # seems fine now 08.00.20 # thanks for the help 08.00.25 # np 08.00.44 # not sure what caused it to freeze will try and do it again incase its a bug 08.01.19 # i've had rockbox go crazy on me before on the ipod, but it only happened once 08.01.32 # of course, i've installed a few cvs updates since then too :P 08.01.56 # its pretty nice software 08.02.26 # crossfading and parametric EQ are worht it alone for my 08.02.35 # it'd be kinda funny if some company commissions rockbox to be ported to their platform and then used on that product 08.02.36 # err.. my=me 08.02.59 # I'm willing to put up with shorter battery life on my ipod 08.03.01 # * Nimdae waits 10 seconds for his ipod to boot :P 08.03.07 # you know 08.03.15 # i've had the shorter battery life from the beginning 08.03.28 # i bought this ipod used from a friend and the next day had rockbox on it :P 08.03.38 # buy a new battery 08.03.41 # hey're cheap 08.03.46 # it doesn't need it 08.03.50 # i get about 8 hours on rockbox 08.03.51 # like, $20 shipped 08.04.05 # you can buy larger capacity betteries tho 08.04.05 # which from what i've read is pretty good 08.04.12 # eh, no need 08.04.14 # i might later 08.04.14 # thats what i need to do, replace it battery in this thing down to about 1hr of battery life 08.04.15 # 8hrs is TERRIBLE. heh 08.04.24 # I get ~27hrs on my h140. heh 08.04.33 # well 08.04.39 # the ipod hardware isn't completely figured out 08.04.47 # I have an ipod battery in it tho. 2200mAH one 08.04.52 # it's notoriously bad compared to the life that the apple firmware gets 08.05.14 # yeah, in the 30gb video ipod, it's only 400 mAH 08.05.46 # i can get a 580 for it 08.06.14 # 60/80 gb std battery is 600 mAh 08.06.22 # can huge replacement batteries be expected not to explode? 08.06.36 # no 08.06.48 # modifying the hardware always carries inherent risk 08.07.17 # aaah yay. they've updated the bmp_resize and album_art patches 08.07.26 # i'm kinda hoping to find a larger capacity drive for my ipod 08.07.58 # time to compile 08.08.11 # I just have a nano 08.08.14 # i'm kinda keeping an eye on the coprocessor patch 08.08.31 # I quite like the nano 08.08.42 # i want a nano for excercising 08.08.56 # i'm happy with my video ipod though 08.09.26 # kind of a bummer the 2G was released 2 weeks after I bought mine. And the 8GB 2G is only $20 more than I paid for my 1G 4GB 08.09.42 # but you get that 08.09.52 # I like the look of the 1G much more anyway 08.09.56 # but you would also be waiting a long time for rockbox 08.10.05 # tho... the black 2g looks VERY nic eindeed 08.10.20 # I'd wait to have the extra 4GB 08.10.37 # i would just get a sansa if i wanted 8 gig 08.10.49 # i might go for the 8gb 2g when rockbox is working on it 08.10.52 # why? I personally think they look horrible 08.10.55 # notice i say when ;) 08.11.03 # the Sansa players are ugly 08.11.10 # I'm talking about the Sansa 08.11.15 # i dont think they are that bad 08.11.19 # I do 08.11.27 # they look cheap to me 08.11.35 # but also, it will get rockbox way before the nanos do =) 08.11.49 # obviously personal opinion 08.12.05 # the looks part, yes 08.12.28 # the other reason I'm not so bummed I bought the 1G is the new 2g was put through the same drop test as the 1g was 08.12.28 # heh 08.12.32 # did you see that? 08.12.39 # i did 08.12.44 # i love my nano 08.12.46 # yeah, it didn't do so well apparently 08.12.50 # and the fact that it was free =) 08.12.59 # the 1g took, like, 6 drops and the one that broke the screen was from 9ft 08.13.09 # the 2g, first drop and from 1.5ft 08.13.20 # well, it's all in how it's ipmacted too 08.13.23 # so it's not really fair 08.13.34 # they can't all be liek that tho. prolly just that particular one 08.13.50 # the 1g probably could have survived the 9ft drop if it landed more gracefully, or failed a 1ft drop if it landed wrong 08.14.19 # i would only put stock in thoses tests if they go through more than one device of that model 08.14.25 # hmm? the 1.5 ft drop, he took it jogging and it fell, was stopped by the earphone cable, detached then completed the fall from 1.5ft onto the road 08.14.29 # i trust averages more 08.14.33 # the 1g was 9ft onto road 08.14.41 # right 08.14.50 # but the impact itself makes the difference 08.15.02 # i would trust it more if a machine was used to drop the device to ensure they are dropped the exact same 08.15.11 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@160.228.157.232) 08.15.16 # like i said, if the 1g took a less graceful impact at a shorter drop, it might have broken too 08.15.20 # well, that's not exactly what I'd class as real-life testing tho 08.15.22 # I recall zip disk tests boasting of throwing them out the window of a car on a highway 08.15.34 # lol 08.15.38 # yet the drive itself would destroy them 08.15.52 # hcs: well, they dont have a fragile screen =) 08.15.52 # some guy testing it by taking it while he jogged and then having it drop as it would in a real life situation, there's value in that too 08.15.54 # i need more pictures of the sansa 08.16.12 # Coldtoast: sure, but i trust averages more 08.16.29 # if he had taken 5 2gs and did that kind of test with each of them, i would trust those test results 08.16.34 # the other test he did, the 2g fared better tho 08.16.51 # where he dumped the new nano into a back with his keys and carried it around for a day 08.17.01 # Nimdae: of course...it is violating the scientific method and all the way he did it =) 08.17.10 # you have to have multiple tests and a control 08.17.15 # right 08.17.16 # at the end, the body had a few scratches on it but the screen was unmarked. the 1g didn't do so well that 08.17.20 # err.. there 08.18.08 # the longer battery life on teh 2g is another thing I'd have liked 08.18.09 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.19.00 # so the tossup would be; better looking+rockbox vs longer battery+more space 08.19.07 # eh, i think the sansa looks alright 08.19.22 # I'd pick the second becuase it'll eventually be longer battery+more space+rockbox 08.19.49 # plus the sound quality of the new 2g is supposedly slightly better and the screen is noticably sharper and brighter 08.20.14 # yeah, the screens on the 5.5g video ipods are supposedly sharper and brighter too 08.20.18 # but oh well. the fact is I don't have the 2g. heh 08.20.24 # all i have to say to that is meh 08.20.38 # meh? 08.20.41 # i honestly didn't get an ipod for video anyway 08.21.00 # it's an ipod with video. screen quality is KINDA important when it supports video 08.21.08 # i don't care for sharper and brighter, to be honest, because i thought it looked good already 08.21.23 # i watched video on my ipod and imo it looks good 08.21.29 # btw, it's not a video ipod. it's an ipod with video 08.21.42 # i understand 08.21.46 # Apple want to make a distinction between the 2 08.21.58 # it's pretty silly tho 08.22.21 # well, it's like the usb group wanted there to be a distinction between usb 2.0 and hi-speed usb 08.22.26 # they also don't want you to say "an iPod" 08.22.32 # just iPod 08.22.41 # personally, I don't think the screen is big enough for me. And it's not widescreen anyway 08.22.42 # like it was some person's name 08.23.06 # well apple can blow me, i'll always refer to it as "an ipod" 08.23.10 # and my ipod just skipped, wtf 08.23.17 # if I buy a portable device for video, it has to be widescreen 08.23.54 # like what the 6g is rumored to be? 08.23.55 # heh 08.23.55 # the only non-widescreen thing I own is a DS Lite 08.24.24 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 08.24.35 # ehum, USB 2.0 is not the same thing as hi-speed USB 08.24.52 # LinusN: i know 08.25.00 # you have 2 flavours of USB2.0; 12Mb and 480Mb 08.25.17 # you have Hi Speed USB2 and Full Speed USB2 08.25.19 # the usb 2.0 standard happens to include hi-speed 08.25.30 # yep 08.25.36 # why do you focus on my comment rather than the analogy? sheesh 08.26.54 # cos your analogy contained ambiguous information? 08.27.00 # * Nimdae circumvents wma drm using microsoft's own tools 08.27.26 # forget the analogy then 08.29.21 # hmm. which company was it who recent;y developed a phone with 10Mp camera? 08.30.13 # i dunno but that's absurd 08.31.52 # lol wow 08.32.02 # aaah. Samsung 08.32.10 # I thought the 1.3MP camera phone I've had my eye on was impressive 08.32.28 # Nimdae, properly put. 08.32.58 # http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/09/live-from-cebit-samsungs-sch-b600-10-megapixel-cameraphone/ there it is 08.33.01 # anyone who takes their career seriously enough to require a 10MP camera, sure as hell won't be investing in a camera phone 08.33.15 # what a gimmick 08.33.23 # well, you also have to consider space 08.33.24 # hmm? a 10Mp camera's not that expensive 08.33.39 # unless you're talking DSLR 08.33.47 # even then, the new Canon 400d is pretty affordable 08.33.58 # i would hope the camera has a sd slot (or similar) and supports the multi-gigabyte cards 08.34.05 # sure, it's not full-frame but still great 08.34.51 # * BHSPitLappy wants to find a decent digital camera, under 200 bucks 08.34.54 # even if that phone could act as a USB Host, that's be cool. If it had no mem slot 08.35.18 # heh. you can have my V3 :) 08.35.32 # I couldn't give a crap about having a camera in my phone 08.35.44 # me neither 08.35.53 # in fact, every day i take my phone to work i violate company policy ;) 08.36.00 # simply because it's a camera phone 08.36.05 # but shh 08.36.06 # I'm 33. I just want a phone with good battery life than can make calls and send SMS 08.36.16 Quit Rocket220 () 08.36.17 # Coldtoast: amen to that 08.36.33 # i have a nokia 8310 :-) 08.36.53 # actually i saw a good phone on my provider that i wanted that didn't have a camera in it, had the high speed 3g support and bluetooth 08.37.01 # it was a samsung 08.37.24 # not interested in 3g personally 08.37.51 # well, i want to build a car computer with internet connectivity and i thought of using the phone for that connectivity 08.37.58 # why the hell would I want to stream TV? And one of the nice things is NOT having to see people's ugly mugs when you call em 08.37.58 # (read: i'm a geek) 08.38.12 # i don't care for the video and audio streaming 08.38.16 # i just want the high speed :P 08.38.39 # you don't need to bothe rwith a phone at all if you want on-the-go wifi 08.39.20 # one of my friend's girlfriend has a wifi adapter from her phone provider that she just plugs into her laptop and she has wifi anywhere 08.39.56 # evdo is nice too 08.39.58 # it'd be using 3G I'd imagine. But she has no need for a phone, just the adapter 08.40.10 # dunno. never looked into all that 08.40.26 # a bit pricier, but fast 08.40.37 # well, the problem with using the internet plans is you pay a buttload for it 08.40.42 # like $60+ a month 08.40.45 # once they intall the ADSL2+ gear into the DSLAMs here, I'll have to ditch my wifi :/ 08.40.52 # if I want solid 24Mbit 08.41.04 # whereas if you use a phone access plan (where you use the internet on your phone), you can use the phone as a makeshift modem 08.41.09 # cos I probably average around 18Mb on my 802.11G 08.41.23 # get a draft-802.11n box ;-) 08.41.31 # yeah 08.41.40 # that's goign to be expensive tho 08.41.45 # not really 08.41.52 # they're already here 08.41.59 # even the cards alone here are something like $180AUD 08.42.21 # but then, you should check your actual speed first 08.42.31 # I have "24mbit" 08.42.36 # I'll get close to the full 24mbit 08.42.41 # ok 08.42.45 # cos I'm about 150m from the exchange 08.43.01 # ugh...stupid US telcos... 08.43.04 Quit JazzBone ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 08.43.14 # we should have had these speeds years ago... 08.43.24 # what speed do you get on average Bagder? 08.43.30 # ~15 08.43.34 # and then i look at the speed/price in, say, japan 08.43.48 # doesn't that suck? paying for 24Mb and getting ~15 08.44.05 # well, 24 is about the same price as 8 08.44.08 # so not really 08.44.12 # ok 08.44.15 # and I knew it when I got it 08.44.21 # I'm some 1600 meters away 08.44.44 # check this out tho... I have 1500/256 now and 24Mbit is the bloody same price 08.44.51 # same cap tho (40GB) 08.45.04 # no cap here 08.45.21 # do they throttle you after a certain point tho? 08.45.27 # nope 08.45.38 # that's all they do here. I think they drop it to 64kbit. heh 08.45.50 # but then I'd never be even close to any extreme amounts 08.45.53 # i have 3000/256 and no cap 08.46.06 # at least no cap to my knowledge 08.46.07 # but it's cable, not dsl 08.46.12 # uptime 08.46.12 # 08:46:04 up 27 days, 9:48, 7 users, load average: 0.47, 0.38, 0.25 08.46.16 # RX bytes:300892467 (286.9 MiB) TX bytes:1341886817 (1.2 GiB) 08.46.20 # haha 08.46.31 # yeah. this month has been a BIG download month for me (what with RC1 and RC2 of Vista) and I've still not even cracked 20GB 08.46.39 # i got you beat on uptime :P 08.46.42 # aaaaah. cable 08.46.51 # wait, your tx is higher than rx? 08.47.09 # yeah, I wonder why 08.47.22 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 08.47.23 # that's unusual, heh 08.47.26 # are you part of the compile farm for rb Bagder? 08.47.34 # not this host, no 08.47.40 # ok 08.47.41 # bittorrent seeding? 08.47.47 # nopes 08.47.47 # cos that would have explained it a bit. heh 08.48.01 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-66-30.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.48.04 # just normal uploads of stuff 08.48.05 Quit damaki (Remote closed the connection) 08.48.10 # coffee time! 08.48.12 # spaming! 08.48.48 # * LinusN checks the origin of the latest spam flood 08.49.13 # man. looking at this 10Mp cameraphone.... 08.49.19 # 1:48am up 48 days 16:35, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 08.49.20 # RX bytes:978526008 (933.1 Mb) TX bytes:4091870733 (3902.3 Mb) 08.49.27 # I can CLEARLY remember the day I thoguht "Wow! The world is changing!" 08.49.27 # hah, my tx is higher too 08.49.31 # Coldtoast: or is it a phonecamera? 08.49.42 # heh 08.49.45 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.49.55 # it was, like, 3am and I was walkign through town. About 80 years ago 08.50.12 # and somebody stops me on teh street and says "Do you have a mobile phone I can borrow for a sec?" 08.50.24 # it used to be "Hey buddy. Got a smoke?" 08.51.04 # yeah, and they return the phone just as often as the smoke :-) 08.51.11 # heh 08.51.22 # I hardly know anybody who wears a watch any more either 08.51.30 # i do 08.51.38 # i do 08.51.39 # I can't be bothered pulling my phone out just to check the time. 08.51.40 # but then i'm old ;-) 08.51.42 # i feel odd without a watch 08.51.57 # older than me LinusN? 08.52.02 # yes 08.52.09 # well, I work in nightclubs so.... 08.52.35 # i bet linus witnessed the big bang >.> 08.52.35 # guess what the most popular phone I see at work is.... 08.52.46 # v3 08.53.00 # stupid thing is everywhere. 08.53.02 # aliahk: you win 08.53.06 # yep 08.53.11 # what is a v3? 08.53.16 # motorola 08.53.17 # I'd say maybe 20% have them here? 08.53.18 # Motorola V3 08.53.19 # razr 08.53.21 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 08.53.38 # http://www.first-handyshop.de/handy/Motorola/V3/motorola-v3-1.jpg 08.53.48 # it's not even a great phone 08.53.52 # I have one too 08.54.03 # From my experience it's a terrible phone. 08.54.06 # and I dislike iTap. T9 is better for me 08.54.21 # Form over function nowdays. 08.54.25 # the gui is slow, typing messages is slow (I can be 2 words ahead of the phone) 08.54.40 # and battery life is just ok 08.54.47 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 08.54.55 # mahna mahna 08.54.58 # plus it's too wide, even tho it's nice and thin 08.55.09 # i don't like phones that fold 08.55.19 # i do 08.55.23 # but i don't like the razr 08.55.39 # also, that etched keypad isn't as nice to use as it looks. in fact, it's a pain when you have nails 08.55.44 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-66-30.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.55.52 # great... the first thing I read this morning is 'mahna mahna' - there goes that song again 08.55.56 # there's completely no feedback fromthe keys 08.55.58 # Like I said, most things now days are form over function. 08.56.04 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.56.05 # petur: you love me and you know it 08.56.09 # petur: seek help :-) 08.56.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host185-169-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.56.21 # do dooo do do do 08.56.27 # do do do do 08.56.39 # scorche: Oh I know that song. 08.56.44 # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YevYBsShxNs 08.56.57 # Oh no! Youtube links in #rockbox - what next? 08.57.29 # aliask: do a whois on pimpinwithmuppets.com ;) 08.57.34 # (that's my domain btw) 08.57.46 # * petur should never have done that 08.58.56 # Good to see you keep your records nice and accurate. 08.59.18 # actually, i didn't set that info, registrar did 08.59.57 # i found out it was there when petur pointed it out 09.00.12 # i dunno if my other domains are like that 09.00.12 # Interesting 09.00.47 # actually, right now i can only remember 2 of my domains... 09.00.49 # i have like 4 09.01.46 # interesting, ssholes.net at least has my name 09.02.38 # pimpinwithmuppets.com is the only one that doesn't 09.02.50 # Might have something to do with the name ;) 09.03.29 # well the registrant is correct 09.03.36 # it should be mahna mahna 09.03.58 # http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=ssholes.net <-- gives Mahna Mahna as registrant 09.03.59 # that is my company name with the company i buy domains from (which is hte company i work for) 09.04.12 # however, "master user" is incorrect 09.04.42 # notice ssholes.net has my name instead of "master user" 09.05.18 # I see no difference (not that it mathers to me) 09.05.38 # contacts 09.05.43 # * petur returns to minding his own business/code 09.06.34 # * aliask continues procrastinating over exams and browses youtube 09.07.42 # * Nimdae looks for sex 09.08.08 # Because #rockbox is where it's at. 09.12.25 # heh. I just read "ssholes.net" as "assholes.net" 09.12.48 # heh...i thought that was the purpose 09.16.10 Join manos [0] (n=Romanos_@88.218.12.160) 09.16.23 Part manos 09.23.28 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 09.23.37 Quit damaki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.24.08 # Coldtoast: think of the email addresses >.> 09.24.17 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-66-30.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.24.25 # nimdae.of.the@assholes.net 09.24.29 # heh 09.24.35 # nimdae.of.the@ssholes.net 09.24.39 # i totally blew that 09.24.46 # well.. nimdae@ssholes.net isn't any better 09.24.51 # in fact, it's WORSE 09.24.55 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 09.25.04 # nimdaes.four@ssholes.net 09.25.37 # our.country.is.run.by@ssholes.net 09.27.23 # yes! 09.27.37 # rockbox.is.full.of@ssholes.net 09.28.10 # tsk tsk tsk 09.28.15 # :P 09.28.22 # well, there's at least one asshole here 09.28.23 # me 09.28.32 Quit Id2ndR (Client Quit) 09.29.09 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@dhcp102.contactor.se) 09.30.52 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 09.31.00 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 09.34.45 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.38.19 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.42.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.44.25 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 09.46.36 Join MarkusGritsch [0] (i=58740672@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.48.54 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 09.50.27 # Hi 09.51.17 # I have made an edited version of BlackGlass for the iPod Nano. A screenshot can be seen here: http://www.xile.org/~markus/screenshot.png 09.52.38 # nice 09.53.37 # regardless of how much I hate the operating system, I'm still allowed to like vista's visual schemes, right? 09.53.45 # that's not GNU Adultery, is it? 09.54.23 # * scorche love the "visual scheme" of a terminal 09.54.45 # nooo, maaaaany terminals 09.55.36 # ;) 09.57.11 Quit MarkusGritsch ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.58.32 # iiiiit's streeeetchy voooooweeeeel daaaaaay! 09.59.02 # not in this channel ;) 09.59.22 Join MarkusGritsch [0] (i=58740672@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.00.29 # Can someone with Wiki write permissions add it to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano please? The ZIP is temporarily available at http://www.xile.org/~markus/BlackGlassMGr.zip 10.00.56 # only if you give Bagder a big sloppy kiss 10.01.00 # and perhaps a hefty donation 10.01.02 # ;-) 10.01.31 # MarkusGritsch: get wiki access yourself: register and give us youre wiki name 10.01.46 # *kiss* :) 10.01.58 # yuck 10.04.54 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.06.56 Quit MarkusGritsch ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.08.21 Join MarkusGritsch [0] (i=58740672@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.08.32 # My Wiki name is MarkusGritsch 10.09.09 # done 10.09.29 # now go and contribute ;) 10.13.03 Join scorche` [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 10.13.03 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.13.29 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 10.13.30 Quit scorche` (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.15.05 Quit scorche (Client Quit) 10.15.07 # contributed :) 10.15.11 # bye 10.15.22 # btwad 10.16.21 # bah, couldn't sleep, had to work on rockbox... 10.17.38 # lol 10.17.48 # * BHSPitLappy can't pay attention to rockbox any longer... must sleep 10.20.33 Quit MarkusGritsch ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.21.30 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 10.25.33 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 10.30.31 # preglow? 10.49.16 Join obo [0] (i=hidden-u@195.129.25.205) 10.55.58 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB02C0C.ipt.aol.com) 11.03.03 Join ssstormy [0] (n=sliverst@crown-7-24.resnet.ucsc.edu) 11.03.58 Join Sinbios [0] (i=Sinbios@dsl-10-136-65.b2b2c.ca) 11.04.11 # hello, my ipod is going through cycles of lag and normal playback due to disk spinup. seems like it's only buffering 10 seconds of music! 11.04.18 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11.04.59 # have you tried to reset the settings? 11.06.39 # didnt' hlep 11.07.20 # are you using an official build? 11.07.46 # latest build from the site 11.09.03 # ssstormy: are you using the eq? 11.09.23 # Nimdae: that would have been reset with the settings 11.10.16 # ssstormy: If you look in Info > Debug > View Audio Thread, what does track count say? 11.10.32 # well, i noticed with eq enabled, it runs horribly 11.10.35 # so i thought i'd ask 11.10.57 # not the hardware eq, but the normal eq 11.11.05 # EQ would use CPU and cause breakup, but not disk spinup. 11.11.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.163.30) 11.12.06 # it causes disk usage because it doesn't have enough power to fill the buffer 11.12.19 # i watched the audio thread info ;) 11.12.24 # Urgh, that would be bad... 11.12.34 # Lucky I don't have an iPod ;) 11.12.46 # lucky? 11.12.46 # the hardware eq works fine 11.12.50 # enough power to fill the buffer? 11.13.15 # yeah, it stays at 75 mhz and struggles to fill the codec and pcm buffers 11.13.18 # ah, you mean the compressed audio buffer 11.13.49 # 75mhz is the peak of it's regular performance 11.13.55 # why does it have to compress it? 11.13.57 # so yeah, if you run out of cpu it'll of course lag behind in all sorts of ways 11.14.04 # ssstormy: ? 11.14.10 # ssstormy: music is compressed you know 11.14.13 # ssstormy: it has to decompress it 11.14.17 # the RAM is 32MB, that can still fit a few mp3's 11.14.26 # and then decompress on access 11.14.30 # instead of on load to ram 11.14.39 # hah 11.14.46 # now how would it load if not to ram? 11.15.21 # it seems you draw conclusions that aren't really correct 11.15.59 # huh? 11.16.01 # The codec buffer (the big one) is compressed data. The decompression only happens when needed for playback. 11.16.18 # codec buffer -> codec -> pcm buffer 11.16.24 # no what I meant was decompress when it plays the music instead of decompress when it moves it to RAM 11.16.29 # It does 11.16.34 # oh ok 11.16.34 # ssstormy: yes, that's what it does 11.16.40 # hmm what happens with mine 11.16.51 # the PCM jumps, then falls, jumps, then falls 11.16.57 # each time falling further than it jumps 11.17.00 # until it hits empty 11.17.01 # That's to be expected. 11.17.04 # disk spinup time 11.17.11 # The codec buffer is the disk one. 11.17.18 # What is that doing? 11.17.29 # slowly diminishing 11.17.34 # Correct 11.17.48 # It only needs to spinup to fill that when it gets nearly empty 11.17.56 # so the problem is that it can't fill PCM fast enough 11.18.05 # and for some reason spins up the disk when it refills the PCM 11.18.07 # True, but that won't cause disk spinup. 11.18.15 # Hmm, what WPS are you using? 11.18.21 # I have no idea 11.18.29 # just installed today 11.18.34 # OK 11.19.56 # You should be having music stop/starts, but no disk spinup in that state. 11.20.09 # What music format? 11.20.39 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-18-141.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.20.54 # Also - what do you see if you go into Info > Debug > View tagcache info ? 11.21.44 # The disk access may be due to something else, although with default settings I'm not sure what! 11.22.41 # I see skips at the same time as disk accesses too. 11.22.49 # ssstormy: Which model of iPod? 11.23.23 # The skips might well happen, the question is why the disk access..? 11.24.14 # 3g 11.24.29 # mp3, cbr 128kbps 11.24.37 # ah, 3g 11.25.02 # Hmm, cbr mp3 should be about as good as it gets. 11.25.29 # yeah, but 3g is probably the worst Rockbox performance 11.25.51 # Still shouldn't be accessing the disk... 11.25.53 Quit damaki (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.25.56 # So the disk accesses perhaps wouldn't be expected? I'll add that to my list of things to investigate 11.26.20 # Well, there are lots of things that could be doing it... Buffer fill, Tagcache.... 11.26.32 # ... switching codec 11.26.36 # Yep 11.26.57 # But if all the same format, then it shouldn't be doing that. 11.27.02 # It wouldn't switch codec several times during one song, would it? 11.28.01 # hehe, no 11.28.08 # I can't think why it would need to do that. Voice is MP3 too of course. 11.28.13 # unless you voice it 11.28.28 # dan_a: you can check from debug menu -> view cpu stack to check what threads are active (accesses disk) 11.28.30 # didn't have voice 11.28.47 # well I gotta go to sleep guys 11.28.56 # don't sweat this problem too much 11.29.22 # similar issues with ipodlinux on 3g, and it was only recently that rockbox actualyl supported 3g at all 11.29.31 # thanks for your input 11.29.34 Quit ssstormy ("Leaving") 11.30.20 # * pondlife loves it when a problem is reported, but no diagnosis can be completed. 11.30.25 # I'll check what's happening when I get home. If it's a bug, solving it should give a free performance gain. 11.30.25 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.30.49 # At least it can be reproduced. 11.31.06 # I still need to update my H340 with yesterday's buffering updates. 11.35.15 # LinusN: H300 bootloader question - do you know why it's not possible to turn on with the H300 non-LCD remote without it thinking that hold is on? 11.35.51 # yes 11.35.58 # OK, I won't look into it then ;) 11.36.08 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 11.37.02 # the hold switch in the non-lcd remote works differently 11.37.25 # it is not connected to the hold-switch pin in the connector, but instead grounds the analog signal 11.37.44 # and the current bootloader does not handle this 11.37.49 # yet 11.37.58 # * LinusN goes to lunch 11.42.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.45.09 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@wll193-202.wlan.hu-berlin.de) 11.51.33 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-72.dynamic.qsc.de) 11.58.18 Quit dan_a () 12.02.11 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-076-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.02.16 Quit petur ("lunch") 12.02.55 Join Larsie [0] (i=541a08cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 12.03.05 # lo 12.03.40 # hehe the irc statistics are funny 12.04.30 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 12.04.38 # when will the Sansa e200 series be added to the daily build section? 12.04.51 # when it is ready to be 12.04.52 # when it's working 12.04.58 # hehe 12.05.00 # which might be quite a little while to 12.05.05 # also, it might not 12.05.13 # depends how diligent the porters are 12.05.13 # that wasn't the case with the H300's 12.05.48 # it was on long before the lcd was even working 12.05.51 # :P 12.06.59 # I want to test the sansa build but I'm not at home :P 12.07.30 # the only thing to test is in the sim 12.07.37 # I hate working with windows, which I have to do right now :P 12.08.12 # brb 12.08.24 Quit Larsie ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.10.12 Quit idnar (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.11.30 # the bootloader can be tested in fact 12.11.36 # not that it loads rockbox ;-) 12.11.51 # oh my god 12.11.59 # this video is so much smaller than that photo i had 12.12.29 # Bagder: if you consider watching a light flash that many other people have watched as well, testing ;) 12.12.51 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.13.02 # you get to see YOUR scroll wheel flash! ;-) 12.13.05 # Bagder: what do you think about committing the changes to get the Sansa sim working? 12.13.14 # barrywardell: sounds like a good idea to me 12.13.15 # lots of the plugins need adjusting 12.14.04 # I just need a ui bitmap of the sansa. The one in the provided file was just one I found on the sandisk site 12.14.19 # probably not a good idea adding it to rockbox? 12.15.27 # right, we should ask for a scan by someone so that we have the proper rights to use the pic 12.17.30 # i don't have a sansa...yet 12.18.11 # Bagder: What's the LCD resolution of the sansa? 12.18.17 # 220x176 iirc 12.18.30 # same as h300 but rotated 90 degrees 12.18.35 # Hmm, then some plugin gfx are already adjusted 12.18.44 # They just need button assignment 12.18.45 # s 12.19.06 # and on that note... any ideas how to move the actions to plugins in a sane way? 12.21.17 # amiconn: there are button assignments done for a lot of the plugins, but they need some testing 12.23.33 # * Bagder notices that febs has passed him on the "top 10 posters" list! 12.23.49 # time to spam there then! 12.24.49 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 12.25.12 # Bagder: heh...do you still have your notification on the word "spam"? 12.25.45 # that notification is done purely by my brain 12.26.00 # haha 12.26.03 # if you say so 12.26.11 # spamy spam spam 12.30.55 # haha 12.30.59 # i have at least 2 dead pixels :) 12.31.05 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.31.13 # i wouldnt be laughing at that 12.31.20 # quite sad really.. 12.31.25 # hmm 4 12.31.33 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 12.31.35 # luckily they're not at the center 12.32.42 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54848132.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.39.10 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 12.41.47 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB02C0C.ipt.aol.com) 12.42.06 # do you know does those dead pixel fixers really work? :o 12.42.30 # what dead pixel fixers? 12.42.37 # http://www.psp-vault.com/Article168.psp like that 12.43.04 # i have nothing to lose, so i'll try 12.43.54 # well, is it a dead pixel, a hot pixel, or a stuck pixel? 12.44.17 # hmm :p 12.44.35 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 12.44.47 # i guess that the other is a stuck, it blinks as red and green i guess 12.44.52 # if it means that 12.45.22 # is that article one of those that say to give the pixel a nice sponge bath and massage? 12.45.55 # stuck and hot is the same? :o 12.46.17 # color is stuck 12.46.19 # white is hot 12.46.54 # i need to take another look for it after itunes has completed syncing 12.50.19 Join breez [0] (n=breez@a84-230-213-122.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 12.50.54 # JdGordon: a guy here at work fixed a dead pixel of one of the LCDs by massaging the display. Couldn't believe it at first. 12.51.11 # they always come back... 12.51.14 # yeah 12.51.19 # it is only temp 12.51.22 # any fellow rockbox wiki users alive? 12.51.27 # tapping can profuce the same effect 12.51.45 # * JdGordon has actually never had any experience with dead pixels so is talking out of his ass 12.51.54 # requesting wiki editing rights 12.52.12 # well.. we need your wiki name 12.52.14 # I know how to permanently fix a dodgy pixel 12.52.15 # going to add a battery benchmark from my unit 12.52.22 # JdGordon: sure, it is LauriMela 12.52.24 # and a 3000 word thesis on what you wish to contribute 12.52.24 # this works if it's hot, stuck or dead 12.52.32 # ;) 12.52.36 # put a pic up on the screen that you like 12.52.41 # Coldtoast: return the unit and get a new one? 12.52.49 # nah 12.52.54 # breez: :) usually denotes a repsonce to a joke.... 12.52.57 # you put a pic up on the screen you like 12.53.34 # breez: done, have fun 12.53.41 # JdGordon: thanks 12.53.42 # JdGordon: I just asked him. It was about 2 months ago and it still didn't come back. So even if it's only for a while it's still nice. 12.53.42 # then get one of those paint markers the colour of the pixels surrounding the buggered one and colour in where the dud pixel is 12.53.55 # markun: tell him he just jinxed it :D 12.54.01 # :) 13.03.51 Join bluechip [0] (n=Bluechip@cpc2-colc4-0-0-cust919.colc.cable.ntl.com) 13.05.10 # Hi. Is anybody able to explain (roughly) how a plugin makes calls to, for example, plot() within the simulator - maybe just point me at the appropriate source files? 13.05.53 # bluechip: the plugin is loaded and gets a pointer to the plugin struct, and calls functions in Rockbox using function pointers in that struct 13.06.14 # apps/plugin.h 13.06.33 # How is it ensured that the plugin is in executable memory 13.06.48 # all ram is executable 13.07.03 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 13.07.09 # in the sim, it is loaded as a shared lib 13.08.45 # are you able to point me at the source which does this please? 13.09.08 # apps/plugin.c:sim_plugin_load() 13.09.17 # thanks :) 13.10.39 # ah, that function is actually in uisimulator/common/io.c 13.11.16 # obo: rockscrobbler.pl is evil in that it deletes your log when it is unable to submit stuff 13.11.41 # luckz: then hack the script :) 13.12.05 # I'm just back to not scrobbling without a backup of my log 13.12.19 # * scorche spies Slasheri active in the forums 13.13.03 # luckz: strictly speaking it should be deleting the entire file, and not leaving the headers... 13.15.11 Join Abst [0] (n=Abst@unaffiliated/abst) 13.15.44 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.22.15 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 13.33.05 Join fanooo [0] (i=fanopani@matryoshka.zoiah.net) 13.33.24 # hello 13.34.40 # is there a way to get builds for iriver H120/140 from several months ago? 13.35.31 # cvs checkout and build yourself 13.36.03 # you can pass a date when checking out 13.36.52 # Bagder: maybe an idea for the old daily builds: after 1 month old, keep one of each week or even month? 13.37.15 # http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=h120 only stores one month 13.37.17 # yes, that's a good idea 13.37.24 # ok 13.37.50 Join linuxstb [0] (i=d0a8e23c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.37.52 Join JazzBone [0] (n=chatzill@cc829402-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 13.37.56 # I assume the current versions (from back one month) are not supposed to be broken entirely on H120? 13.38.28 # YyfAissa 13.38.34 # oops :) 13.38.43 # wrong window... 13.38.47 # It is possible to build arbitrarily old versions from cvs... 13.39.13 # I'm on it 13.39.46 # just stroke me odd that none of the current ones work :) 13.40.03 # then the old ones probably won't work either 13.40.34 # one from may did 13.40.34 # fanooo: what is the problem? 13.41.37 # mp3/ogg does not play, could not check other formats. the only output I get is crackling every now and then. and the counter is moving too fast, like 8 seconds in 1 second 13.41.57 # I did a fsck, that corrected some errors, but didnt resolve it. 13.42.01 # fanooo: Did you try clearing your settings? 13.42.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.42.14 # not yet, will do 13.43.24 # fanooo: remove .rockbox directory and rockbox.iriver and do a fresh install 13.43.33 # And clear settings too 13.43.36 # could be a filesystem problem or codecs not updated 13.44.03 # ok, clearing the settings did not resolve it 13.44.28 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 13.49.18 Quit Bagder (Remote closed the connection) 13.50.56 # ignore me :) I seem to have forgotten to copy .rockbox every time I tried 13.51.06 Part pondlife ("lunch") 13.54.32 # thanks for the push in the right direction. have a nice day. bye. 13.55.39 Quit fanooo ("leaving") 13.57.03 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54932970.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.59.43 Join Bagder [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 14.02.55 Join Moos [0] (i=5950bebb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.11.34 # lostlogic: around ? 14.14.42 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.232.64) 14.17.25 Join SmilinBob [0] (n=Bob@31.248.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 14.22.01 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.30.08 Join ender [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 14.30.24 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 14.30.33 Quit NickDe (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.35.00 Quit ender` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.35.20 Quit barrywardell () 14.35.24 # Moos: yah, what's up? 14.36.42 Join webguest19 [0] (i=d57da9c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.37.41 # lostlogic: hi, that was about the playback, don't know if you know current bugs I didn't read all logs 14.39.25 # I noticed that you commited one fix for delaying bug when skipping, here I haven't that bug with version before that commit, but now I have 14.39.38 # maybe is crossfade relative 14.40.00 # cause know you broken the always crossfade when skipping thing :) 14.40.21 Quit webguest19 (Client Quit) 14.41.12 # don't know if you're aware of this 14.42.16 # lostlogic: ping ? 14.43.40 Quit ender (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.44.06 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 14.48.03 # Moos: not aware of it 14.48.35 # Moos: can you describe the new problem in more detail and/or open a detailed flyspray task about it? 14.49.07 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 14.50.04 # yeah 14.50.49 # before your last change, crossfader always crossfaded even if the buffer needed to refill 14.51.57 # but now, when it need to rebefer, there is one annoying delay for skip to next track, and it will not be crossfaded 14.52.34 # this changed with my most recent change? 14.53.00 # That change _only_ impacted rebuffer and seek behavior, nothing else. 14.54.08 # yeah last changes the last commit or the previous one, no more, and I can unfortunatly say you crossfade is now broken when rebeferring 14.54.30 # long delay for skip+no fading 14.54.54 # and this happens regardless of whether you've just triggered a rebuffer and seek, or only when the in-progress rebuffer is a rebuffer and seek? 14.56.57 # let me check for more precision 14.57.16 # none of the changes between 1.368 and 1.371 of playback.c change pcm buffering or codec behavior at all, only file buffer. can you watch the audio thread screen and see if as it tries to crossfade the compressed codec buffer drops to zero or somethin like that? 14.57.33 # sure 14.58.10 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54932D79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.58.57 # that behaviour came with bleeding edgebuil of yesterday, before the crossfade always faded even is rebuffer was needed 14.59.40 # * amiconn wouldn't have noticed at all 15.00.24 # for me that was just the cpu boost bug relating to pondlife's changes (if skip back to the previous track, the cpu stay always boosted, and no tag info in the wps for the next track) 15.00.54 # amiconn: I suspect you never use this crossfade thing, right? :) 15.01.07 # Correct. No fade in/out either 15.01.15 # my ipod keeps booting with comitting tag cache 15.01.18 # that was sure :) 15.01.30 # which takes at least 30minutes, until it's done i can't do shit 15.01.57 # Sounds like something is going wrong then 15.02.20 # possibly with your excretive system 15.02.26 # yep, very 15.02.53 # Committing tagcache usually takes less than a minute (slighly longer on archos, but nothing near 30 minutes) 15.03.17 # i'm pretty sure it's because of the millions of sid files i have on there ;) 15.04.15 Part bluechip 15.05.16 # can i turn the tag cache off from the filesystem? 15.05.26 # take me something like a little minute for 10000 tracks and something here for the commit step 15.05.41 # hmm... I don't know how difficult would be this, but ignoring some filetypes capability in tagcache would be useful for some situations 15.05.48 Quit Criamos (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.05.55 # you can delete those tagcahe file in .rockbox dir 15.06.07 # *tagcache 15.06.49 # i don't even know what the use is for tagcache :) 15.06.56 # i just wanted to play with it.. 15.07.00 # Genre9mp3: agreed with you 15.07.07 # i turned it off last time because of this problem ;p 15.07.35 # hey 15.07.36 # depending first if you music is fully taged 15.07.42 # do you know how could i make my own av-cable for my ipod? 15.09.12 # lex: http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector 15.09.31 # :) 15.09.33 # lostlogic: my X5 just freeze when I wanted to skip, needed to refil the buffer :( 15.10.06 # but you know, the video comes out with the rcas 15.11.15 # lostlogic: there is definitively something wrong with rebefuring with crossfade 15.15.39 # lostlogic: you did a skip forward to an unbuffered track and it froze? 15.15.42 # er moos 15.16.40 # :) 15.17.01 # yeah skip too next track, and stay frozen needed to rebbot 15.17.15 # too/to 15.17.29 # Moos: I gotta run to get to work, can you try to post detailed steps to reproduce both of these problems on flyspray so that pondlife and/or I can look at them today? 15.19.09 # too/to 15.19.49 # Moos: also, it would be _most_ helpful if you can isolate the CVS change that actually caused the problem (but I know that's a lot of work). 15.19.53 # and I'm off to work. 15.20.06 Part LinusN 15.20.42 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 15.21.39 Quit Teknomancer ("Vision[1.2.0-Z-12102006]: i've been blurred!") 15.24.22 Join DrMoos [0] (i=5950bebb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.24.31 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.25.05 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@63-226-213-147.tukw.qwest.net) 15.26.22 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=5950bebb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8810ed13edaea0c3) 15.31.32 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.232.65) 15.32.27 # lostlogic: time for me to go, I'll fill one bug report in Flyspray with all infos when I'll got the time, c you 15.32.30 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 15.32.38 Quit funky ("leaving") 15.35.38 Join Leeds [0] (n=richardc@210.245.153.227) 15.37.17 Quit psiborg ("leaving") 15.37.42 Quit ender` (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.38.04 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 15.39.50 Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.bredband.comhem.se) 15.42.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.42.15 Quit NickDe (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.43.19 # * preglow thinks he'll have another look at ipod nano ata sleep tonight 15.43.41 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 15.43.44 # * preglow first attempts to summon freqmod 15.44.46 # preglow: about that volume change ticking on my h340: now I know why I didn't remember hearing it before: I recently increased bass, which seems to affect it a lot 15.44.53 # petur: oh yes 15.45.24 # petur: more bass more means the waveform will be slower-moving overall, which gives discontinuities in the waveform you'll hear easier 15.45.43 # petur: but yeah, i've been planning to look at software based fading 15.46.00 # * amiconn wonders why the uda doesn't soften the volume change 15.46.05 # amiconn: almost nothing does 15.46.09 # The MAS does ths 15.46.11 # at least I'm happy my memory isn't as bad as I feared ;) 15.46.11 # amiconn: only rockbox hardware that does is mas 15.46.19 # amiconn: yes, yes, but almost nothing does 15.46.43 # the mas also only decodes mp3 and smells bad, so doesn't count 15.46.47 # I wonder how it would be possible to avoid the clicking without hardware support 15.47.04 # The mas can decode more than just mp3 15.47.13 # i wasn't being serious 15.47.29 # amiconn: if the amplitude stepping is spec accurate, you can compensate with software fading 15.47.49 # amiconn: however, i think it's just better to do all fading entirely in software 15.47.56 # YOu can't as you don't know the delays 15.48.07 # amiconn: very true, so no, you can't 15.48.20 # * amiconn needs to check whether the wolfson and/or tlv are also producing clicks 15.48.40 # * amiconn has the suspicion that this is an uda-only problem 15.48.42 # i'm willing to bet they are 15.48.46 # the one in my nano most certainly are 15.48.51 # is/are/lol 15.49.42 # quite simple to test, just make a wav file with a straight dc offset, then adjust the volume 15.50.02 # or of course just some low sine tone 15.50.07 # 50 hz or something 15.50.32 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.55.20 Join tiax [0] (i=tiax@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x57BFF984) 16.07.52 # anyone else having trouble with track skipping off buffer, or crossfade that started recently? 16.08.23 # * amiconn didn't even use any of his swcodec targets for listening to music recently 16.08.39 # amiconn: yeah... and I never use crossfade 16.08.50 # Me neither 16.08.53 # tried crossfade some time during the summer 16.08.57 # Bagder: around? 16.08.57 # it's actually quite cool 16.09.38 # * amiconn has found a way to reduce subshell spawning (and hence build time) even more 16.09.41 # preglow: if I listened to same-genre mixes, it would be, sure -- but I usually listen to a complete jumble of different genres and I don't htink that fade from rock to classical sounds good at all 16.10.11 # I am mostly listening to albums, and want to hear them as intended 16.10.26 # * petur hugs amiconn if this will reduce cygwin build time 16.10.27 # and i listen to albums 16.10.31 # so fading is unnecessary 16.10.39 # But even when listening to singles I don't like any extra fading 16.10.56 # petur: It will reduce build time on all platforms 16.11.46 # The idea is to replace all those @echo "Doing blah" with $(info Blah) which is an internal function of 'make' 16.12.04 # amiconn: tis a good idea 16.12.18 # amiconn: I heartily approve of you giving the build system a thorough going over. 16.12.41 # In order to keep the same output with both 'make' and 'make V=1', the $(info ....) needs to be placed on the same line as a command though 16.13.02 # It also works when plitting the line with \ , but the the output with V=1 changes slightly 16.13.08 # *splitting 16.13.48 # * amiconn would like to know which option is better 16.14.11 Join Rincewind [0] (i=squid@proxy1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.14.14 # Do we want to keep output identical with V=1, or do we want to keep the Makefile more readable? 16.14.21 # readable 16.14.24 # readable 16.14.38 # makefiles are hard enough to read as is ;) 16.14.42 # why, yes 16.14.46 # Now the output is e.g. 16.15.08 # LD solitaire.elf 16.15.09 # yay for bluetooth audio 16.15.12 # m68k-elf-gcc -W -Wall -O - ........ 16.15.27 # When using $(info) and splitting lines, it will look like: 16.15.32 # LD solitaire.elf 16.15.34 # \ 16.15.40 # m68k-elf-gcc -W -Wall -O - ........ 16.16.17 # i.e. an extra \ on a separate line (and the command will be indented by one TAB 16.16.35 # Without V=1 it doesn't matter 16.16.54 # hmph -- that \ is annoying. 16.17.11 # i almost never use V=1 anyway 16.17.14 # i can live with it 16.17.45 # can some1 help me? 16.17.52 # Without the \, said example would look like this in the Makefile: 16.17.52 # i think my ipod is fucked :\ 16.17.53 # it shows the bootloader.. then i see the rockbox then it gives the white USB rockbox icon.. then it goes to that screen 16.17.54 # $(SILENT)$(info LD $(notdir $@))$(CC) $(GCCOPTS) -O -nostdlib -o $@ $< -L$(BUILDDIR) $(CODECLIBS) -lplugin $(LINKBITMAPS) -lgcc -T$(LINKFILE) -Wl,--gc-sections -Wl,-Map,$(OBJDIR)/$*.map 16.18.28 # Notice the placement of the $(info) part 16.18.58 # why is the \ on its own line and not on the same line as the LD solitaire.elf? 16.19.14 # $(info) appends a newline 16.19.21 # fecker 16.19.54 # no way to disable the $(info) construct entirely when V=1? 16.19.57 # always with the dishes! 16.20.03 # hmm.... 16.20.14 # Maybe we can do that... 16.20.16 # dishes... need food 16.20.29 # * amiconn needs to dig further in the 'make' manual 16.20.35 # my Shure E3 are dying. what should I replace them with? 16.20.49 # amiconn: dangerous business that;) 16.23.16 Quit Coldtoast ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 16.23.31 Quit Rincewind (Remote closed the connection) 16.25.44 # lostlogic: Shure E5? I've never tried Shure earphones 16.26.31 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 16.26.37 # they're very nice, but I think there may be cheaper/as-good other makes around nowadays 16.27.02 # Leeds: any suggestions? 16.27.16 # lostlogic: yeah - do some research :-) 16.28.29 # I've got a set of Shures - E2, I think - around US$100? - and I think I'd look elsewhere when it comes time to replace them 16.28.52 Join bethorr [0] (n=chatzill@s159056.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 16.28.55 # Leeds: do you ever use then while riding a bike? 16.28.58 # them 16.29.35 # hey hey hey 16.29.44 # no, I don't have a bike... to be honest, I tend to use them mainly on planes, since they're *too good* to use elsewhere - they block out too much of the ambient sound 16.30.51 # I ended up buying some really crappy cheap ones to use in places like the office and on the street, where I wanted *background* music, not to relegate all other sound to a dim background hum 16.31.04 # amiconn: think i'll have a look at 24 bit flac tonight as well 16.31.09 # hello... anyone know if the iPod Games thing has been hacked yet? 16.31.32 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3078.gwdg.de) 16.32.30 # preglow: For coldfire, using the special properties of the emac? 16.33.05 # bethorr: probably not, but in which way do you want to hack them? 16.33.49 Join webguest38 [0] (i=ddba59a3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 16.33.49 # markun: I want to put my own games into an ipod without touching the firmware 16.35.16 # bethorr: well, then I don't think this is the right place for you 16.35.31 # Lostlogic: for earphones http://www.ultimateears.com/ 16.35.54 # markun: any suggestions as to what might be the right place? =) 16.35.57 # they have a big range to suit your pocket 16.36.09 # webguest38: yeah, I think that's the sort of thing I was thinking of... 16.37.20 # bethorr: maybe here http://www.ipodwizard.net/index.php 16.37.57 # ah.. Will look. Thanks 16.38.01 Part webguest38 16.38.48 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 16.39.34 # amiconn: yes 16.39.50 # amiconn: the way to do it on arm has to be through smull and smlal, i'm afraid 16.40.27 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 16.40.29 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 16.40.39 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 16.41.58 # lostlogic: FWIW, I use crossfade - seems ok at the moment 16.42.48 # I assume you are having trouble (from the "anyone else") ...? 16.43.21 # pondlife: no, I don't use it 16.43.29 # pondlife: Moos is having some kinds of trouble 16.43.37 Join Rincewind [0] (i=squid@proxy1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.43.39 # Ah, ok 16.43.52 Join |obo| [0] (i=hidden-u@195.129.25.205) 16.43.54 # says that it doesn't crossfade during buffering and it used to 16.44.01 # out of interest - and since I'm discussing it on another channel - what's the rockbox policy on codec patents? 16.44.05 # also says he's gotten the thing to freeze by skipping as of today 16.44.16 Join ender [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 16.44.31 # I've not updated my H340 yet... will try shortly though 16.44.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 <-- y isn't this commited ?:( 16.44.36 # Hmm, I think UE and Shure are comparable in quality and price *finds reviews* 16.45.03 # markun: I ride my bike to and from work every day wearing my Shure E3 with sensaphonics custom fitted in-ear sleeves. 16.45.29 # Kitt0s: I think barrywardell is tidying it up still 16.45.44 # Hopefully he'll commit it soon-ish 16.46.03 # yea 16.46.07 # i can't even open the ipod 16.46.07 # i have shure E4, but it has its disadvantages. It's quite bulky and you can't wear it while walking or the cable will cause weird sound to your ear 16.46.12 # it stucks @ start 16.46.27 # lostlogic: the wind makes a terrible noise with my Koss The Plug (which I want to replace anyway) and my friend told me he had the same problem with in-ears from Sennheiser (which looked like the Sony EX in-ears) 16.46.48 # lostlogic: no such problem with the Shures? 16.47.30 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.232.64) 16.48.33 # markun: it's much less of a problem with the shures, but was definitely still noticeable until I got the custom sleeves... my previous ear phones were the sony ex51. best solution is to wear an earband over them, but that's intollerble in warm weather. 16.49.38 # what kind of custom sleeves? 16.50.50 # http://www.sensaphonics.com/ offers custom molded earpieces for shure earphones (or their own custom earphones) 16.50.54 # you can get them to make custom blobs to cover the driver, such that the headphones fit perfectly, but comfortably, in your ear 16.50.58 Join barrywardell [0] (i=892b7a86@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 16.51.13 # lostlogic: I thought shure also did it themselves, for the E5, at least 16.51.15 # (I just happen to be lucky enough to work < 2 miles from where sensaphonics is located so there was no mailing back and forth involved :-P) 16.51.32 # Leeds: no, they contract through sensaphonics -- both are within 10 miles of Chicago. 16.51.39 # ah, cool 16.51.49 Quit ender` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16.52.14 Quit obo (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16.52.53 # Slasheri: yeah, that's a problem with teh E3 as well, I wish I could find some earphones with a magical better cable that woudln't deteriorate from pretty active uses (like biking to work every day and wearing them inside a motorcycle helmet) 16.52.59 Quit dionoea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.53.18 # lostlogic: It looks like it is possible to suppress the info output itself when running make V=1, but the \ will stay when splitting the line 16.54.33 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 16.55.05 # still on its own line or just prepended to the command output? 16.56.09 # On its own line 16.56.09 Quit barrywardell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.56.26 # * lostlogic kicks it in its teeth 17.00.00 Quit Siku () 17.00.14 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 17.00.34 # lostlogic: I see Moos problem too. :( 17.00.45 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host227-143.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 17.01.11 # so, the problem is that during rebuffer, crossfade has stopped working? 17.01.58 # It seems to be rebuffering later in some way, so an attempt to crossfade into an unbuffered track doesn't crossfade. 17.02.15 Nick |obo| is now known as obo (i=hidden-u@195.129.25.205) 17.02.34 # Crossfading back a track never works now. 17.02.35 Quit bethorr ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 17.03.24 # I can navigate to an entirely unrelated track and that will crossfade ok though! 17.03.31 # pondlife: gah, how could anything I have changed in the last couple of days have effected crossfading at all?! 17.04.15 # I think there is a long-standing flakyness in crossfade that you have exposed further 17.04.46 # It has quite often been only 80% reliable at working when skipping to an unbuffered track. 17.05.19 # Ah, it just worked. 17.05.40 Quit ScoTTie () 17.05.51 # hah, poor man's sonos... bluetooth dongle on the DAP, bluetooth dongle 2 on the speakers in the other room 17.07.17 # Crossfade always works if I navigate to the track (even the next/previous one). But track skip is a bit hit-and-miss. 17.07.40 # * petur points Leeds to SlimDevices 17.08.09 # pondlife: weird, any chance of narrowing down which commit made it worse? I'm not sure when I'll be able to do that kind of detailed testing :( 17.08.10 # petur: see that 'poor man'? 17.08.24 # SD is cheaper than Sonos ;) 17.08.55 # and a couple of bluetooth dongles are much cheaper still :-) 17.09.22 # lostlogic: Some time, but not right now I'm afraid 17.09.56 # It may not actually be any worse. It's always been a bit random 17.10.23 # pondlife: moos usually doesn't like (unfortunately, in this case;)) 17.10.36 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 17.11.00 # I'll need to play with it some more. The sim works fine though :) 17.11.26 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 17.14.23 # s/like/lie/ 17.14.29 # wow, took me a while to see that typo 17.14.45 Join webguest36 [0] (i=892b7a86@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 17.14.46 Quit webguest36 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.14.57 Join barrywardell [0] (i=892b7a86@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9b9c2d33700505ac) 17.15.34 # I wonder if there is now more (or less) delay in the return from the rebuffer and that's impacting the crossfade 17.17.05 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.20.10 Quit Rincewind ("Bye") 17.27.55 # Kitt0s: have you tried the cpufreq4 patch? it's very different from the previous ones 17.27.55 Quit Rick (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.28.46 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 17.28.50 # hmm... anyone used Westone UM2 earphones? 17.29.59 Quit JazzBone ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 17.30.00 # sennheiser cx-300 <3 17.31.38 # anyone with any ipod wanna test the patch (cpufreq4.patch): http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 17.32.19 Join Rincewind [0] (i=squid@proxy1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.33.14 # barrywardell: Can I assume that you mean 'any of the regularly freezing iPods'? 17.33.21 Nick Paul_the_Ner1 is now known as Paul_The_Nerd (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 17.35.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes, any ipod that is affected by the freezes 17.36.08 # Alright then. I only have a Nano. 17.37.31 # * lostlogic orders a pair of westone um2s -- they are cheaper than shure E500 and look like they have a more durable cord and sit more flush to the head. 17.37.33 # it looks like the 4g is worst affected 17.40.17 Quit petur ("later") 17.42.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.43.40 Join psiborg [0] (n=psiborg@flits103-221.flits.rug.nl) 17.44.41 # barrywardell: Afaik the only targets affected by the freezes are those using PP5020 17.45.08 # Nano and video use PP5021, and Mini G2 uses PP5022. 17.45.31 # amiconn: yes, I think so. so that means color/4g, mini 1g and h10 are affected? 17.45.31 # The PP5020 ipods are (afaik) G4 greyscale, color/photo, and Mini G1 17.46.40 # linuxstb could test... 17.48.45 # Thanks for the help earlier btw, removing the tagcache files helped. 17.49.12 # I think I'll update my software later in a bit, see if it's fixed now :) 17.52.08 # is it possible to run two sed commands in one go? That is, both '1d' and '$d' to strip of a line in both the beginning and end of a file. 17.52.59 # tucoz: just separate them with a ; 17.53.04 # Yes out of interest, but does this have anything to do with rockbox? 17.53.07 # thanks. 17.53.11 # s/Yes/Just/ 17.53.14 # psiborg, yes. the manual. 17.53.20 # hrm interesting :) 18.00.07 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 18.00.43 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-018-176.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.03.13 # amiconn: have you seen fs#6232? 18.06.01 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 18.06.40 Quit matsl (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.09.16 Quit Rincewind (Remote closed the connection) 18.09.20 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 18.09.27 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-131-175.cablep.bezeqint.net) 18.12.02 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 18.15.28 Join dionoea [0] (n=dionoea@poy.chewa.net) 18.17.40 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea56a.e.strato-dslnet.de) 18.17.44 # how 'dangerous' are daily builds? I installed todays build on my 4g/gray and it freezes more often than it works 18.17.51 Quit SereR0kR (Client Quit) 18.18.36 # The 4G Grayscale Rockbox port just have bugs that are being worked on, that's all there is to it. 18.18.47 # Using a word like 'dangerous' implies damage could actually happen. 18.20.07 # sorry, I'm not a native speaker. So, what s the best way to go? Wait for improvements, try another days shot? 18.20.54 # at the moment I can't even boot or listen to music without a freeze 18.21.18 # barrywardell: Hmm, that sounds strange. Almost looks like a scheduler bug to me 18.21.38 # tiax: There's a custom build in the custom builds forums that disables CPU frequency scaling, it's worth trying until the bugs relating to it are ironed out 18.23.56 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 18.25.04 # woohoo, updated 18.25.27 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54877454.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.28.42 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966461.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.29.40 Quit obo ("bye") 18.32.22 Join bluebrother [0] (i=PhlLsILx@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 18.35.45 Join webguest06 [0] (i=54b9a6c7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 18.36.59 # amiconn: he says it's only happening since your last two commits. although maybe your changes just revealed a previously unseen bug in the scheduler 18.37.04 Quit webguest06 (Client Quit) 18.39.46 Join bundik [0] (n=bundik@dslb-088-064-006-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.40.15 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.57.19 Quit newbyx86_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.58.29 Join newbyx86_ [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 19.03.16 # [barrywardell]: using 3 atm.. 19.04.19 # what model iPod do you hae? 19.04.24 # markun: Is there an easy way to keep track of the gigabeat progress? 19.04.43 # I'm considering picking up an F series. 19.04.59 # ipod photo 19.05.10 # and no crashes yet? 19.05.27 # it stucks when trying to play something 19.05.34 # could be one of the wps patches tho 19.05.35 # *sigh* I juts want an h120 with a color screen ;p 19.05.58 # Kitt0s: can you try the version 4 patch? 19.06.07 # sure 19.06.54 # godzirra: have you looked at the iaudio x5 series 19.07.08 # PaulJam: Yeah, I've taken a brief look. I just can't afford one yet :/ 19.08.39 Quit damaki_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.09.18 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-18-141.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.10.09 # whats the difference between an x5 and x5l? 19.11.15 # I wish circuit city didn't return this damned ipod to a gift card. I changed banks so they -made- me return it to a gift card. 19.11.29 Quit SmilinBob (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.12.44 # x5l has a bigger battery 19.12.48 # ahh 19.12.55 # bigger duration wise, but not size wise? 19.13.34 # godzirra: you can read the #gigabeat logs 19.13.39 # both, i think. propably the reason why there is no x5l with 60 GB 19.13.46 # godzirra: they are pretty small 19.14.57 Join Rincewind [0] (i=squid@proxy1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 19.15.22 # heh ok 19.16.02 # barrywardell 19.16.07 # ok 19.16.12 # it still stucks :\ 19.16.28 # im pretty sure its the wps tho 19.16.59 # Kitt0s: which WPS? 19.17.10 # does it have peak meters? 19.17.13 # godzirra: http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/ 19.17.47 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.192.191) 19.18.19 # So whats the big difference between the battery life? Is it large? 19.18.32 # wtf i dunno 19.18.43 # i changed to regular wps it still stucks 19.18.55 # jBlackGlass 19.20.01 # godzirra: The X5L gets, I believe, almost twice as much. 19.20.24 # barrywardell 19.20.24 # Wow. 19.20.32 # Hrm. I wish i could find reviews. 19.20.42 # the only review i foudn said x5 and x5l both get 14 hours. 19.21.23 # Ok, cnet says the x5l is rated at 35 and lasted 27. 19.22.31 # Wow. 19.22.40 # I can get an x5l for 280 dollars or an x5 for 130 19.23.15 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h148n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 19.24.41 # Kitt0s: try iCatcher 19.25.20 # ignore this. just testing 19.25.37 # im pretty sure its albumart\bmpresize\scrollmarging\customline or one of the multifonts 19.26.11 # ah, you have other patches included too. it could easily be one of those 19.26.38 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.26.44 # well its album art 19.27.18 # nope 19.27.20 # its not 19.27.21 # i can play 19.27.22 # wtf 19.27.43 Join Kasperle [0] (i=kasperle@zoidberg.org) 19.29.06 # barrywardell 19.29.16 # hello 19.29.17 # i can't play songs with albumart 19.30.10 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.31.11 Quit tucoz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.31.52 Quit Rincewind ("Bye") 19.31.59 # barrywardell, sometimes it stops for a sec :\ 19.32.07 Quit mordov (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.33.22 Quit NickDe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.36.04 # Kitt0s: I don't know about the album art patch. it could easily be causing problems 19.36.18 # in the sound? 19.36.39 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 19.37.24 # yes, possibly 19.37.55 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-057-125-237.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.42.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.47.40 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.232.65) 19.48.16 # i made a small patch for rockboxdev.sh which makes it a little easier to have it use gmake instead of "make" on *BSD systems. I don't have a sourceforge account handy to file it into the bugtracking system, but if you want to check it out, grab it here: http://www.damogran.de/rockboxdev.sh.patch 19.48.57 Quit Ribs (Nick collision from services.) 19.49.00 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 19.49.07 Quit Ribs2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.50.41 Quit amiconn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.52.00 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD595F.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.52.01 # Kasperle: you don't need a sourceforge account - that's an historic notice from when the patch tracker was migrated 19.55.16 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-173-194.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.56.51 # hrrrrrrrrrm 20.08.38 Quit NickDe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.08.39 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.08.43 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 20.09.11 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 20.10.15 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.232.64) 20.13.42 Join falkyre [0] (i=Administ@209.8.41.158) 20.14.49 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 20.15.30 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.16.40 # question concerning the last tagchache commits: is there something obviously wron with the following lines in the tagnavi_custom.config : 20.16.49 # %format "fmt_leastplayed" "%d %s (by %s)" playcount title artist %limit = "100" 20.17.07 # "Am wenigsten gespielte Titel" -> title = "fmt_leastplayed" 20.18.33 # when i select the entry i get a splash telling me that dirbuffer is full and the listing is empty (i already increaset the max files in dir to 10.000 and restartd) 20.20.11 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.21.32 Part neddy 20.21.45 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.232.64) 20.21.46 Join PortaBob [0] (i=User@66.158.225.13) 20.22.04 # i have a question bout the ipod video 20.22.43 # it works fine on my pc at home but now i'm at a friend's place and everytime i plug it in it crashes Explorer... 20.23.04 # anyone have any suggestions? 20.24.42 Quit amiconn_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.25.06 # you plug in the ipod and explorer crashes? 20.25.32 # that sounds like a problem with the computer and not the ipod 20.25.42 # hmm... 20.25.44 # oh yeah 20.25.56 # perhaps there is some msie plugin that isn't working properly 20.26.01 # (yes, that would affect it) 20.26.03 # i just remembered i have problems with this lappy 20.26.13 # not internet explorer... 20.26.21 # Explorer.exe 20.26.25 # look at my paranthetical note 20.26.32 # oh... 20.26.33 # msie is tightly integrated into windows 20.26.35 # sorry 20.26.47 # i don't even use msie though 20.26.55 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.26.58 # bad msie plugins can affect explorer, heh 20.27.21 # you use msie, microsoft just doesn't tell you ;) 20.27.25 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.28.02 # well i was recently getting that "generic host process..." error and it just went away 20.28.12 # maybe that has something to do with it 20.28.56 # possibly 20.29.02 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 20.29.04 # do you have anti-spyware software? 20.29.10 # nope 20.29.30 # try spybot s&d, it's free 20.29.40 # run it and if it removes stuff, try again 20.29.58 # actually do have adaware se on here 20.30.23 # ok 20.30.54 # Adaware misses a *lot* of stuff Spybot picks up 20.30.57 # They look for different things 20.31.34 # well, i've heard it the other way around too 20.31.55 # i use avast antivirus and it tends to be good at keeping malware out 20.32.46 # Nimdae: I said they look for different things. I couldn't in good conscience recommend to someone that they use one without the other. 20.32.56 # yeah 20.33.28 # anyone know of better podcast management software than itunes? 20.33.49 # cuz itunes is making me want to get out my gun and shoot my computer 20.35.05 Join BigMac [0] (n=dummeska@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 20.35.05 # could it have anything to do with the fact that i don't have usb 2.0? 20.37.05 # nimdae: check out juice 20.37.09 # PortaBob: sounds unlikely 20.37.37 # i didn't think so 20.38.20 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.38.37 # Nimdae: Aren't most podcasts just mp3/aac files attached to an RSS or ATOM feed? 20.39.17 # PortaBob: my desktop doesn't have 2.0 (full speed or hi speed) 20.39.37 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, but itunes is slow and burdensome 20.40.05 # Nimdae: If they're RSS / ATOM feeds, you could use any halfway decent feed reader... 20.40.28 # At least for downloading them, syncing would be a different thing, but I assume we're talking about in relationship to Rockbox anyway. 20.40.55 # well, some of it is video, so have to use apple firmware for those, heh 20.41.15 # Well then asking for things to use with the retail firmware in here is kinda pointless. 20.41.48 # not really, not all of it is video 20.41.50 # Question for a dev...what does QUEUE_LENGTH mean (it's currently 16)? 20.42.06 # how long a queue can be? 20.42.31 # netmasta10bt: thanks, that looks pretty good actually 20.43.03 # if a queue isn't read before it reaches sixteen elements, it'll overflow, i guess 20.43.18 # Nimdae: yeah, its not bad, it has a podcast dirtory, but its not searchable :-/ -- i use it to download directly to my sansa 20.43.24 Join webguest05 [0] (i=803d7118@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.43.32 # preglow: is it a problem that the playback code uses more than 16 queue id's 20.43.36 # can it import itunes data? 20.44.01 # lowlight: ids? i don't know why that should matter, what matters is that sixteen events aren't in the queue at the same time 20.44.04 # nimdae: it can import and export opml -- if itunes can export your feeds in opml it can import it 20.44.14 # ok 20.44.45 Quit webguest05 (Client Quit) 20.45.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host17-212.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 20.45.21 Join webguest22 [0] (i=803d7118@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.45.48 Quit barrywardell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.45.50 # preglow: I don't understand the queue...but I'm seeing a problem where I'm getting a false Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED from the queue and Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED=17. 20.45.50 # Aliright I have searched the forums and found nothing on this exactly 20.46.10 # I am getting about 2 hour battery life on a 30 gb video 20.46.16 # which is horrible 20.46.21 # BigMac: Are you using an official build? 20.46.26 # Yes 20.46.50 Quit webguest22 (Client Quit) 20.47.02 # And what battery life do you get with similar settings in the retail firmware (so compare the two with cleared EQ, similar volume, similar backlight use, same playlist) 20.47.26 # I think the fact that most of my music is flac, and they have larger filesizes that may be taking more hdd power thus more battery 20.47.28 # lowlight: well, i'm not expert on queues either. just check out firmware/kernel.c and see how they work 20.47.29 # preglow: and if I make Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED=15 it seems to work ok. 20.47.37 # I'd say around 10-11 hours 20.47.40 # BigMac: Yes, FLAC spins up the disk much more often. 20.47.45 # Ok 20.48.03 # BigMac: I guarantee you don't get 10-11 hours with the same playlist since the original firmware doesn't support FLAC. Thank you for not reading my question fully. 20.48.55 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-SIX-NINETEEN.MIT.EDU) 20.49.04 # so would batch convert all my flac to ogg (q7-q8) because the ogg decoder is faster 20.49.17 # The Ogg decoder is much slower than FLAC. 20.49.59 # I heard it was very fast on the ipod 20.49.59 # but it causes fewer disk spinups 20.49.59 # The files just fit in RAM so while more CPU is spent decoding, the disk spins up less often. 20.49.59 # several times 20.49.59 # amiconn: you did check and find out that a 16x16 mul should work for 16 bit flacs, yes? 20.49.59 # BigMac: "Very Fast" doesn't mean "Faster than FLAC" 20.49.59 # BigMac: Right now, I believe MP3 has pulled ahead of Vorbis on iPod even. 20.50.31 # So what would be my best bet then on trying to get more juice out of my battery 20.50.37 # FLAC is our most efficient decoder afaik (not counting uncompressed formats) 20.50.40 # convert to ogg or mp3 20.51.02 # They just said ogg is slower... 20.51.07 # Question: will mp3.encoder take any input type or just wav? 20.51.16 # preglow: Hmm, don't remember right now... 20.51.17 # or some other lossy compression that makes smaller files 20.51.20 # BigMac: Slower but doesn't spin the disk as much. I *never* said it used more battery. 20.51.29 # amiconn: i'm almost certain we concluded the sh can be used, hence what i say is true 20.51.35 # Ogg uses more battery than MP3 yes, but less than FLAC 20.51.36 # BigMac: maybe it is slower, but disk spinup is going to cause higher battrey consumption than a slower decoder 20.51.52 # amiconn: i'm going to change to 16x16 mac instructions in the same go now 20.51.52 # oh alright 20.51.56 # BigMac: i get 7 to 8 hours on my 30 gb ipod video using ogg 20.52.07 # so ogg q7 should be decent then right 20.52.13 # preglow: why? There's no speed advantage... 20.52.13 # that sounds alot better 20.52.23 # BigMac: Tips for saving battery life: Do not use the EQ. Do not use Replaygain. Do not use Crossfeed or Crossfade. Use playlists. Set the backlight timer as low as possible. Do not use DirCache or TagCache. Do not browse your music, just start the playlist and go. 20.52.53 # what if you load tagcache to ram? 20.52.56 # BigMac: Do not use themes with lots of images, or backdrop images. Set the limits for files in folder to as small as possible (putting files in multiple folders if necessary), set the anti-skip buffer as low as possible 20.53.09 # Nimdae: TagCache in RAM means that it takes up space used for the audio buffer == worse battery life 20.53.20 # Ok None of those options are on accept tag cache 20.53.26 # I use playlists 20.53.34 # but it doesn't use that much space 20.53.37 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@cpc2-nfds9-0-0-cust419.leic.cable.ntl.com) 20.53.41 # I don't want Dir Cahce on anyway 20.53.44 # Cache 20.54.00 # I think mp3.encoder should be renamed wav2mp3 since it only takes WAV input. Where do I suggest this? 20.54.00 # Nimdae: He asked how to improve his battery life. It does use some, and it does make a difference. 20.54.04 # amiconn: why not? no speed advantage? there's a slight one, i think, the emac stall probably won't happen 20.54.13 # It will 20.54.16 # Davide-NYC: Really, that'd qualify as a feature request, I think 20.54.21 # i still get 6 or 7 songs queued in codec buffer 20.54.21 # Only vaguely so, but still 20.54.22 # really? 20.54.25 # OK 20.54.27 # amiconn: how do you know? the a 16x16 result is ready after one cycle 20.54.33 # The datasheet lists the exact same cycle counts for mac.w and mac.l 20.54.40 # Nimdae: It's probably only like a 2% difference on total battery time. 20.54.45 # ok 20.54.47 # amiconn: which is what, 1 cycle? i think that's not really true 20.54.51 # One cycle, but the thing is pipelined 20.54.52 # I will turn those off 20.55.00 # amiconn: you get one cycle throughput, but a three cycle latency 20.55.00 # yeah, but it makes for a bit faster response when browsing your music ;) 20.55.06 # amiconn: afaik 20.55.09 # yes 20.55.20 # Does anyone know a good batch ogg encoder of hand, or should I go ask google 20.55.22 # amiconn: the latency for a 16x16, however, should be 1 cycle also 20.55.22 # Nimdae: Maybe less. But it's an optional option, that you can avoid. Actually, if you don't browse often (or at all beyond when first starting playback) tagcache on disk is better than in RAM 20.55.41 # And due to a hardware bug, the emac stalls even if you fetch a different accumulator after issuing a mac instruction 20.55.49 # Paul_The_Nerd: what's the feature you add by giving something a better name? 20.55.51 # and ogg q7 file sizes should be a lot smaller then flac correct 20.56.05 # BigMac: a lot, yes 20.56.09 # preglow: why do you think so? 20.56.14 # good 20.56.16 # markun: You add "decreased user confusion" 20.56.41 # Why wouldn't that be taking away then Paul_The_Nerd 20.56.45 # It looks like the emac multiplier is 32x32->40, so using 16bit won't change anything 20.56.46 # markun: It's not a bug, as things are working as intended, and it's not a patch, so that really only leaves "feature request" I think, even if it's not an ideal category. 20.56.50 # Paul_The_Nerd: I would also like to request more flyspray 'operating system' target subsets like swcodec and coldfire etc. Possible? 20.56.58 # where would I do that? 20.57.04 # Davide-NYC: That's definitely a feature request. :-P 20.57.17 # getting to it, thanks 20.57.31 # Davide-NYC: I think it's better to just bug devs from time to time :) 20.57.50 # markun: Bugging devs works, but if you have a feature request already filed, they can't just say "File a feature request" and ignore you. :-P 20.58.03 # hey 20.58.05 # true :) 20.58.13 # hi there lex 20.58.15 # do you know what causes the rebooting after videos on my 5.5G? 20.58.20 # good evening markun :) 20.58.35 # lex: Using mpegplayer? 20.58.42 # Paul_The_Nerd: using the apple os :D 20.58.45 # quick question for my flyspray feature request: will mp3.encoder accept other non-compressed files such as AIFF? 20.58.47 # Isn't there a ipod related channel we can point people to? 20.58.58 # I don't have any to test with 20.59.01 # (21:58:56) [Users #ipod] 20.59.01 # (21:58:56) [ cilly] [ hagabaka] [ lex] [ puff] 20.59.03 # apple.com/support ;) 20.59.04 # you mean this? 20.59.08 # amiconn: because a 32x32 mul is an operation done in parts while a 16x16 mul is not 20.59.13 # amiconn: i'm pretty sure i read this some place 20.59.14 # i guess it's only the encoding 20.59.17 # Davide-NYC: All I had to do was not use white text and I could see all the data on the Xcatcher themes then too. 20.59.21 # amiconn: anyway, performance gain or not, it doesn't hurt 20.59.41 # markun: so i bought a 5.5G to replace that photo i had :p 20.59.45 # preglow: Where was that? Maybe it's done like this on non-emac coldfires 20.59.52 # yeah, it won't reboot after google videos' videos 20.59.57 # amiconn: maybe, it's a bit hard to find detailed and exact information 21.00.05 # jhMikeS: that's a funny reason for it not to work, can a diff between font and background color be specified in a WPS? 21.00.10 # amiconn: but like i said, it's quickly done, and there's a modest chance of it getting a tiny bit faster 21.00.19 # jhMikeS: or is that not necessary? 21.00.33 # Davide-NYC: It just uses your setting 21.00.57 # preglow: I read something like that too, but that was for the mac, not the emac in newer coldfires. 21.02.05 # amiconn: which part of i2c was customized for iRivers (file)? If making that better can help so much I think it's high prio for the x5. 21.03.15 # Lear: might be, might be, hard to be sure with the conflicting information and all 21.04.24 # the 5249 docs say that an msac.l takes 3 cycles, but everything else 1 21.04.26 # i like that 21.06.59 # has anyone played with the patches for the 5.5G iPod? when i patch and compile my own bootloader and install that to the iPod, the iPod will hang on the Apple Logo upon reset (it won't even get to the point where the backlight is turned on) 21.07.27 Quit Davide-NYC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.08.47 # Kasperle: Probably best to ask about that in the 5.5G thread, where you're more likely to find 5.5G users. 21.10.10 Join manos [0] (n=Romanos_@88.218.12.160) 21.10.17 Part manos 21.10.18 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 21.11.15 # machine locked up. Optical drives are (I believe) slightly miscofigured somehow. Pop in a Disk and sometime the system just locks up. :-( 21.11.30 Join linuxstb [0] (i=3f887518@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.12.33 Join k0rnz [0] (n=k0rnz@207-237-65-113.c3-0.avec-ubr12.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com) 21.12.49 # do I have to restore my Nano in order for rockbox to install correctly? 21.13.44 # k0rnz: Assuming you're starting from a normal iPod Nano situation no. That's why the instructions don't tell you to. 21.15.49 # my iTunes cant see my Ipod Nano but MyComputer shows it as a removeable drive H what can I do to fix this? 21.16.16 # Contact Apple support? 21.16.35 # ok 21.17.03 # I mean, you already told me you haven't installed Rockbox yet... 21.17.46 # i think the failed install is due to to the fact that Itunes cant see my Ipod 21.17.52 # gonna reinstall and see if it fixes it 21.19.20 # Paul_The_Nerd: not necesarily, he could have installed it and it doesn't work right ;) 21.19.27 # simple feature request: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6233 21.19.44 # Nimdae: Well, questions relating to what you do before you install *should* come before you try to install. :-P 21.20.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: what flyspray category do I put a flyspray feature request in? 21.20.17 # that's an assumption 21.20.19 # i just got banned from #ipodlinux for bitching to developers why ipodlinux does not have custom EQ settings yet 21.20.39 # k0rnz: well don't bitch to developers 21.20.39 # lol 21.20.56 # especially not in that tone you used 21.20.57 # dude 21.21.05 # its been several months and they still havent got custom EQ settings 21.21.11 # sound like hypersensitive people. 21.21.12 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 21.21.14 # k0rnz: Are you paying them a salary? 21.21.17 # i see you're volunteering? ;) 21.21.20 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 21.21.29 # i donated virtual cash 21.21.35 # "donated 21.21.44 # By definition a donation does not include obligations, because it's a donation. 21.22.02 # well, personally, if i was developing something in my spare time and someone started bitching at me because it didn't have something they wanted, i'd not be happy either 21.22.24 # ok thanks for the help cyas 21.22.26 Part k0rnz 21.22.32 # * jhMikeS doesn't get mad about that 21.22.59 # Paul_The_Nerd: sorry to bug you about this, but I want to file this feature request and can;t figure out where to out it. Is a request to add target categories part of the 'build environment'? I guess so right? 21.23.02 # * jhMikeS prefers mocking them instead 21.23.47 Quit alberink (Remote closed the connection) 21.24.10 # Davide-NYC: It should be 'website' but there's not an option for that. 21.24.22 # catch22 21.24.25 # Indeed 21.24.32 # what do you want me to do? 21.24.38 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.24.38 # Where do you put a feature request to add the ability to put that sort of feature request? ;) 21.24.49 # * Davide-NYC ducks 21.25.05 # Davide-NYC: Go with whatever you want honestly. You could always put something completely non-related just because there's no valid one... There's not even an "Other" option 21.25.07 # where the sun don't...etc. 21.25.19 # Will do 21.27.57 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different") 21.28.13 # Davide-NYC: Target categories? 21.28.21 # yea 21.28.34 # in a perfect world they would be radio buttons 21.28.48 # not sure what you mean...guess I'll see 21.28.53 # if it's a spdif prob you only check the H1x0 button 21.29.12 # if it's a coldfire you check off x5, irivers 21.29.18 # Ok 21.29.30 # if it's SWcodec you check of all non-archos, etc 21.30.33 Join _flik_ [0] (n=mike@85-124-52-15.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 21.30.45 # One thing I'd like is an option to limit the "commits since..." page to a range of dates. 21.30.52 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 21.30.57 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 21.32.07 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.33.34 # amiconn: didn't you talk about some optimisation to my flac asm routines once? 21.34.43 # jhMikeS: that would be good. 21.34.57 # FLyspray feature request: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6234 21.35.06 # <_flik_> question for the devs: are static/global variables in the plugins reintialized every time they are loaded? 21.35.16 # amiconn: and what would be the fastes, a add rx, (a0) with (a0) in iram, or using the fact that i've already got the value at (a0) in a register, then doing add rx, ry and move.l ry, (a0) 21.36.44 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 21.36.47 # preglow: what are you working on? curious 21.38.29 # BigMac: I exclusively use FLAC on my 5g, and get a lot more than 2 hours runtime. The IpodRuntime page also has test results with 7 hours for a 30GB 5g, and over 10 hours for a 60GB (with the 64MB patch). 21.39.34 # jhMikeS: 24 bit flac asm 21.40.01 # jhMikeS: got a 24 bit flac file that actually strugges (!!!) at full boost on my h120, so wanna see how much faster i can make it 21.40.12 # <_flik_> using the simulator i get a reproducible crash in the jpeg plugin because a static variable is not reset when the plugin is loaded the second time 21.41.18 # doesn't just stuggle 21.41.20 # it actually skips 21.41.53 # wtf, i just got a pdir1full when entering the audio thread debug screen 21.42.01 # preglow: same thing happens with 88kHz wavpacks on x5. can record them but they won't play 21.42.16 # linuxstb: 64mb patch: is it still planned to change the locations of the buffers/plugins etc to make that happen? 21.42.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.42.39 # jhMikeS: you can record 88khz wavpack realtime on target? 21.42.44 Join k0rnz [0] (n=k0rnz@207-237-65-113.c3-0.avec-ubr12.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com) 21.42.45 # preglow: yup 21.42.47 # jhMikeS: that's pretty nice 21.43.01 # jhMikeS: recording and playback should be almost symmetric, weird you can do one but not the other 21.43.04 # preglow: thank got for the new scheduler in that regard 21.43.09 # jhMikeS: probably the resampler's fault 21.43.10 # got = god 21.43.18 # anyone got any tips on why iTunes is not seeing my IPod Nano even after reinstall of Itunes and restore of Ipod Nano. I'm running Windows XP Home SP2 with latest updates 21.43.33 # MyComputer sees my Nano as a removeable drive 21.43.41 # joint stereo lossless works like a charm 21.45.19 # Dear DEVS please read: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7112.0 21.45.22 # obo: It would be nice to rearrange the buffers, but it doesn't look like anyone will do it, so IMO we should probably provide 64MB 5g builds. 21.45.24 # preglow: well...we'll stop resampling hw rates soon 21.46.20 # jhMikeS: good 21.46.21 # linuxstb: I guess they can be removed again with a note if that change does ever take place... 21.46.47 # AFTER my little recording tweak :-P 21.47.15 # so you're gonna support wlck? 21.47.26 # wclk 21.49.00 # preglow: was that for me? Whatever setup is needed to get the codec chip running at any available speed. Have to use MCLK1/WCLK/dividers depending upon the uda or tlv 21.50.08 Quit Abst ("Died") 21.50.11 # was for you, yes 21.50.15 # can't remember what it's called 21.50.24 # if was fiddling around with supporting it back when i did spdif recording 21.50.29 # but ran out of time/motivation for doing it 21.51.02 # There was trouble using the WSPLL on for recording in slave mode...switch it back to MM and things seem to work. 21.51.12 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.217.190) 21.52.21 # 11,22,44,88 are available for playback and record on x5 and playback on iRiver. 11,22,44 for recording on iRiver. 21.53.57 # and playback on iriver? 21.54.07 # anyone know where I might be able to find a copy of the old apple ipod restore utility, Itunes cant see my ipod so I cant update/restore it 21.54.19 Part falkyre 21.55.19 # playback rates on iRiver is same as x5 21.56.06 # but the ADC can only go to 55kHz so no iRiver recording that high. 21.56.23 # I hate that fact 21.56.23 # really? but it can go higher for playback, right? 21.56.29 # i seem to remember around 80khz or something 21.56.29 # yes 21.56.33 # hmm 21.56.41 # on iriver we've got the complication of spdif too 21.56.49 # if spdif out is enabled, we should always run at 44.1khz 21.57.14 # preglow: I set it up to run at the closest rate to the input 21.57.34 # the monitoring that is 21.57.45 # thinking more about playback 21.58.10 # ahh I see... 21.58.16 # the only spdif rate we're capable of using for playback is 44.1khz 21.58.25 # why? 21.58.32 # well 21.58.41 # because there only is 32khz, 44.1khz and 48khz 21.59.41 # * _flik_ figures he has to find the answer himself 22.00.04 # Why worry about recording other SPDIF rates them? What actually uses them? 22.00.11 Quit k0rnz () 22.00.15 # _flik_: got a patch? 22.00.52 # <_flik_> nope, i am not sure if it can be regarded as a bug in the jpeg plugin 22.00.58 # of couse that's a slightly higher level decision and limiting rate options is rather simple 22.01.05 # <_flik_> i just had a look at the plugin loader mechanism 22.01.15 # jhMikeS: because we can, really. problem is we can send at pretty much whatever rate we want (i figure), but we've got no way to tell a receiver what we're sending, so we have to rely on it being able to find out 22.01.21 # jhMikeS: and i'm willing to bet not much can 22.02.02 # <_flik_> the problem is, that using the ui simulator plugins are loade using dlopen which seems to keep it resident in memory 22.02.12 # makes sense. When SPDIF out is on, just pick playback to be the closest one of those 22.02.13 # _flik_: ahh, riiight, so it's a sim only bug 22.02.34 # jhMikeS: closest one of the three spdif rates? we can only do 44.1khz of them 22.03.01 # <_flik_> preglow: yes, i guess it is something that can only be triggered in the sim 22.03.29 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.03.51 # <_flik_> preglow: because the plugins are kept resident in memory in the sim, all there static variables are not reinitialized 22.03.54 # I know what you're saying 22.04.23 # _flik_: then we obviously need to unload the plugin at some point 22.05.41 # _flik_: well, we do dlclose(), i see 22.05.45 Quit Leeds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.05.55 # <_flik_> preglow: hmm... just saw that too 22.06.04 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 22.06.18 # :q 22.06.24 # * preglow switches to vim window 22.06.26 # That's still really np 22.06.29 # what is the screen size of ipod video?!? 22.06.34 # Kitt0s: 320x240 22.06.41 # thank you 22.06.44 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 22.07.25 # <_flik_> preglow: but the static variables in the plugin are definitely not reset, i just saw that in a debug session 22.08.11 # <_flik_> preglow: maybe the os still keeps the plugin in memory, even if they are dlclosed? 22.08.13 # If they're supposed to be initialized data they'd better be. 22.08.25 # <_flik_> preglow: i am running os x btw 22.08.43 # _flik_: i have no idea how that system behaves in this regard 22.08.54 # _flik_: perhaps it does, but that would be really weird 22.09.04 # _flik_: then again, this might be bona-fide os x bug 22.09.04 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.09.27 # _flik_: if i were you, i'd write a small test program that loads a small plugin with a static variable and test outside of rockbox 22.10.06 Join petur [0] (n=petur@d54C198D7.access.telenet.be) 22.10.21 # <_flik_> preglow: i will try that 22.11.20 # _flik_: i don't think loading a lib, unloading, then loading it again is very common behaviour, heh, but it most certainly should not behave like this 22.11.34 # _flik_: also, could you describe what you do to provoke the bug? i'll try it on linux 22.11.35 Nick ender is now known as ender` (i=null@84.52.165.220) 22.12.08 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting") 22.12.11 # <_flik_> preglow: k, steps to reproduce 22.12.51 # <_flik_> preglow: 1. context menu on a arbitrary file 22.13.04 # <_flik_> preglow: 2. "open with..." 22.13.13 # <_flik_> preglow: 3. "jpeg" 22.13.27 # <_flik_> preglow: repeat from step 1 22.13.55 # <_flik_> preglow: crash after second iteration in the qsort call that sorts the file list 22.14.01 Join z0de [0] (n=z0de@80-194-233-59.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.14.34 # * z0de is now the owner of an iaudio x5l 22.14.36 # :D 22.14.49 # <_flik_> preglow: oh yes and you need at least one jpeg in the directory 22.15.32 # <_flik_> preglow: in my case the "entries" variable was not zero on the second iteration but the number of jpeg files found in the first iteration 22.16.06 # does rockbox support the inline remote for the x5l? i didn't see anything in the manual. 22.17.16 # how does rockbox patch the bootloader into the existing firmware? does it just append the bootloader to the first file on the firmware filesystem, and set the entryOffset accordingly? 22.17.23 Join V-t [0] (n=opera@85.30.241.44) 22.17.40 # hi btw 22.18.58 # z0de: I think yes, but some x5 dev better answer this (jhMikeS? Bagder?) 22.19.12 # preglow: you were saying to run feed-though at 44.1 always? I was talking about HP monitoring. Right now I think feed though just passes EBU1 recv right on though. 22.19.27 # _flik_: and it crashes even if the file you're trying to open is jpeg? 22.19.28 # <_flik_> preglow: the crash could not be reproduced when setting entries to zero before calling get_pic_list() in plugin_start(...) of jpeg.c 22.19.43 # petur: I'd better read back on that :) 1 min 22.19.57 # * _flik_ tries that 22.20.01 # jhMikeS: not feed-through, playback 22.20.08 # jhMikeS: i'm not really speaking about the recording part at all 22.20.30 # * _flik_ has to compile it without the fix first though 22.20.31 # * petur shuts up for a while - belgian beer overload :) 22.20.56 # preglow: ok, that's np to adjust but it's not even a factor atm. will be mindful of that when changing things though. 22.21.25 # z0de: inline remote? 22.22.01 # the remote works on x5 of course 22.23.04 # but with rockbox? 22.23.30 # it has all the buttons on the player and has an exstended connector 22.23.31 # Z0de: this is #rockbox btw ;) 22.23.40 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.23.43 # i know :P 22.24.03 # Okay, I'm going to ask this every day here. 22.24.04 # z0de: the remote works. I have all the accessories. 22.24.09 # Is there sound yet on the vides on the H10? 22.24.32 # Cold day today...... 22.24.33 # TerrorByte: heh...it's overdubbed with your voice :D 22.24.34 # cool jhMikeS 22.24.55 Join Abst [0] (n=Abst@unaffiliated/abst) 22.24.56 # TerrorByte: You'll annoy people quickly... Just check the recent changes at http://www.rockbox.org/ 22.25.05 # .... 22.25.07 Quit TerrorByte (Client Quit) 22.25.08 # how close are we to a v1.0 release for the x5l? or is the daly release stable enough. 22.25.10 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.25.32 # Anyone see my messages? 22.25.37 # Guess not. 22.25.38 # Well anyways. 22.25.48 # I'm gonna ask the same question here everyday. 22.25.53 # i see but dont know the anwers. 22.25.53 # z0de: Rockbox is a single piece of software, there aren't separate version numbers for different hardware 22.26.01 # Is there sound yet in the videos on the H10? 22.26.05 # TerrorByte: Don't ask the same question daily 22.26.06 # <_flik_> preglow: nope it doesn't crash when directly displaying the jpeg 22.26.10 # TerrorByte: There's a changelog, just bloody READ 22.26.10 # Aw... 22.26.11 # but theres stable relases and daly. 22.26.12 # Fine. 22.26.13 # z0de: x5(x) is pretty stable 22.26.17 # Yeah I do read the log. 22.26.19 # * _flik_ starts his vim to find out why 22.26.20 # Like 5 times a day. 22.26.21 # :) 22.26.27 # TerrorByte: Then why the heck do you need to ask? 22.26.31 # I'm a very impatient man. 22.26.35 # Then DO IT 22.26.36 # Maybe there's like a breakthrough. 22.26.44 # Work on it, rather than pestering innocent people about it. 22.26.51 # Innocent? 22.27.06 # * jhMikeS will not be an innocent victim 22.27.06 # any cases of it could crashing and damaging the hardware/not booting ever? 22.27.08 # Many of us don't care in the slightest about video support. 22.27.20 # 'Many'. 22.27.25 # Yup 22.27.38 # * TerrorByte targets jhMikeS to be next 'innocent victim'. 22.27.45 # And since there's an official place for you to find out if it's working or not, on your own, spamming the channel does no good. 22.27.56 Quit Abst (Client Quit) 22.28.04 # :( 22.28.06 # 4 messages in a row in under a minute that were completely irrelevant, for example. 22.28.16 # Probably were yeah. 22.28.21 # * jhMikeS looks at his collection and picks the Berretta just to be nice 22.28.27 # :) 22.28.27 # _flik_: ok, in a dir with music files and jpegs i try to open an mp3 with jpeg, it says unsupported file, then displays the next valid jpeg again. i exit, try the same thing again, and again the jpeg plugin does as before 22.28.29 # * TerrorByte backs off. 22.28.34 # TerrorByte: If you're impatient, just buy another H10, and you can have video with sound. 22.28.34 # z0de: Rockbox has not permanently damaged an X5 ever, or at least nobody has reported it being so. 22.28.44 # LOL linux. 22.28.44 # is there a fast way to test the plugins? without having to do make and make install every time?? 22.28.46 # Great answer. 22.28.49 # for simulator i mean 22.28.57 # I only wonder why the rest of the world won't do that. :) 22.29.16 # <_flik_> preglow: ok seems to work on linux then, thanks for testing 22.29.47 # Kitt0s: You can just copy the .rock - i.e. "make && cp apps/plugins/jpeg.rock archos/.rockbox/viewers/" 22.29.59 # Well I'm off. 22.30.00 # thanks paul 22.30.04 # Things to do, places to be. 22.30.07 # *kidding* 22.30.07 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 22.30.13 # so i do need to do make again 22.30.14 # i just dont want to break my shiny new player. 22.30.24 # k then 22.30.25 # :] 22.30.27 # * TerrorByte leaves, casting wary looks at jhMikeS. 22.30.31 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC") 22.30.47 # z0de: no ... you're safe. just flash the bootloader. 22.30.57 # *heh* 22.30.57 # Kitt0s: You could try "make V=1" and then repeat the lines to create jpeg.rock. But the build system itself doesn't support just rebuilding a single plugin. 22.31.17 # ok then 22.31.20 Join [dot]_j [0] (n=kytolaj@12.197.12.50) 22.31.46 # <[dot]_j> anyone have a few minutes for a linux/rockbox question? 22.32.08 # ask and you'll find out 22.32.13 # <[dot]_j> i have installed rockbox on and old 3gen ipod 22.32.26 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.32.32 # <[dot]_j> i am able to boot to both the apple & rockbox firmware 22.32.32 # * jhMikeS has made a heater out of the x5 a couple times by accidentally scribbling all over RAM...thankfully there's an overtemp protection. 22.32.32 # what is the lcd depth of the x5l? 22.32.38 # Heh, I'm back. 22.32.43 # But I have a serious question. 22.32.52 # Not related to Rockbox, but good place to ask nonetheless. 22.32.54 # Kitt0s: 16bit colors 22.32.55 # Kitt0s: 16-bit native...can do 18-bit dithered to 565 22.32.58 # It's for a seminar. 22.33.01 # Okay, here goes. 22.33.04 # nice 22.33.04 # <[dot]_j> but, using ubuntu, it will only detect the device if i'm booted into the apple side 22.33.12 # Is anyone here black? 22.33.19 # It's a serious question guys. 22.33.27 # TerrorByte: This is #Rockbox... it's for Rockbox purposes. 22.33.35 # [dot]_j: rockbox on ipod doesn't yet have its own usb mode 22.33.38 # Aw come on Paul, I know. 22.33.38 # <[dot]_j> dmesg output says that the usb device is not accepting the address (if in rockbox) 22.33.39 # TerrorByte: As the night...but only in my heart 22.33.45 # [dot]_j: Rockbox doesn't have USB/Firewire detection on the 3g yet - you need to manually boot into the Apple firmware or the emergency disk mode - see http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations 22.33.54 # LOL jh. 22.33.58 # <[dot]_j> ah, that explains it 22.34.07 # <[dot]_j> works fine on my video ipod... 22.34.09 # So, no one's black? 22.34.27 # I've got a black recorder, does that count? 22.34.27 # TerrorByte: When the lights are off are not we all? 22.34.42 # LOL & LOL. 22.34.43 # <[dot]_j> thanks badger & linuxstb 22.34.54 # I mean in the light, the natural color of your face. 22.34.58 # That clear enough? 22.35.16 # <_flik_> preglow: although it doesn't crash when directly loading the jpeg i still see the entries variable increasing although it shouldn't 22.35.39 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders if there's a sign on the door that says "Ask us questions unrelated to Rockbox, or questions you can answer yourself, just *anything* but relevant questions" 22.35.46 # TerrorByte: What about the rest of me? 22.35.47 # _flik_: well, i can't make it crash, at least 22.35.57 # <[dot]_j> so... does anyone know if 3g usb detection is in the works? 22.36.07 # <[dot]_j> or are they getting too old to worry about it at this point? 22.36.09 # The rest of you doesn't count Mike. 22.36.11 # So no one's black huh... 22.36.36 # TerrorByte: depends on who you ask ;-) 22.36.39 # [dot]_j: Things get done if people choose to do them... there's really no such thing as "In the works" unless someone's already specifically working on exactly that feature 22.36.46 # 4 16-bit packed 5-6-5 RGB (iriver H300) 22.36.46 # 5 16-bit packed and byte-swapped 5-6-5 RGB (iPod) 22.36.46 # TerrorByte: could you please keep it on topic? there's enough traffic here right now as it is 22.36.47 # <_flik_> peglow: could you check with gdb if the entries variable keeps increasing on every plugin iteration? 22.36.54 # wich one for the X5? i assume 4? 22.37.09 # [dot]_j: I think there's only one dev (dan_a) with a 3g. 22.37.13 # Kitt0s: yes, if you mean how we store the data in memory 22.37.14 # <_flik_> preglow: by setting a breakpoint at jpeg.c line 2017 22.37.15 # All the color target are 565 rgb 22.37.18 # Yeah, I've noticed preglow... And I got my answer.. 22.37.28 # its bmp2rb, Bagder. 22.37.32 # Either there's no one black here, or they aren't very talkative. 22.37.34 # Later. 22.37.41 Part TerrorByte 22.37.41 # Kitt0s: then it is in memory, so 4 it is 22.37.45 # <_flik_> preglow: because maybe with the right order it doesn't crash although the bug is still there 22.37.46 # <[dot]_j> so... any idea how differnt say the video & 3gen ipods are when it comes to such things? 22.38.03 # Kitt0s: yes for iRiver/x5 22.38.15 # get the x5l 22.38.29 # [dot]_j: we're on a shortage of 3gen ipod developers. We tend to put all the 3g work on dan_a ;-) 22.38.40 # * jhMikeS is losing track that Bagder is already the answering q's :P 22.38.47 # [dot]_j: Very different. The 3rd Gen has a PP5002 processor, the 5g/video has a PP5021 22.38.56 # <[dot]_j> damn 22.39.19 # yep thanks :] 22.39.26 # <[dot]_j> looks like the girl get's the video... 22.39.26 # _flik_: seems to work like it should 22.40.09 Join Famicom [0] (i=Famicom_@18.Red-83-61-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) 22.40.13 # hi 22.40.14 # <_flik_> preglow: ok, thanks for testing 22.40.48 # * jhMikeS sings "Ebony and Ivory" 22.40.54 Quit PortaBob (Connection timed out) 22.41.14 # can anybody tell me what I need to watch movies on my iPOD video ? 22.41.20 Part V-t 22.41.34 # I removed iTUNES, and installed rockbox 22.41.39 # Famicom: Do you want to listen to your movies as well? 22.41.48 # yep 22.42.04 # Then put itunes back... (or find a third-party replacement that supports videos) 22.42.18 # so rockbox doesn't? 22.42.49 # <[dot]_j> Fam - how often you watch videos on the thing? 22.43.01 # <[dot]_j> I ask cause I have a video ipod and never use it for video, so rockbox works fine for me 22.43.24 # There's a video player in progress, but it's designed for all the other players Rockbox supports - it doesn't use the 5g's video processor, and probably never will. It's working, but without sound. 22.44.36 # I've never done it yet, but yes, I'd like to get some of my dvds into my ipod 22.44.56 # aham 22.44.58 # linuxstb: why would it never if someone wants to do it? 22.44.58 # <[dot]_j> you could still put itunes back and dual boot 22.45.15 # and what about a third party OS ? 22.45.16 # jhMikeS: A video player using the Broadcom chip would be a different plugin IMO. 22.45.21 # <[dot]_j> use apple side for video & rockbox for everything else 22.45.52 # The Apple firmware appears to just pass the compressed video/audio data to the broadcom chip, which does the decoding and display, and passes PCM data back to the portalplayer chip to be sent to the DAC. 22.46.04 # linuxstb: could "look" like the same plugin though. 22.46.45 Quit pixelma (" brb") 22.46.57 Quit qailer ("Leaving") 22.47.10 # jhMikeS: Well since they both ought to be viewers (for the moment) yeah it'd react the same, I imagine 22.47.17 # Maybe, but it would also play different formats (h264 with AAC audio) than mpegplayer (mpeg-1/2 video with layer 2/3 audio) 22.47.28 # [dot]_j how can I do such a thing, put itunes back and dual boot? 22.47.48 # <[dot]_j> you've got rockbox installed, right? 22.47.52 # yes 22.48.24 # <[dot]_j> well.. i guess i'm not sure exactly how itunes reacts to rockbox 22.48.26 # It could have target-specific files in it if organized well. 22.49.00 # <[dot]_j> but you could try booting to the apple side of the ipod and see if you can transfer video that way 22.49.13 Join My_Sic [0] (i=51410ec9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.49.17 # hie all 22.49.36 # i have a problem with my rockbox 22.49.37 # how can I boot to the apple side? 22.49.57 # always i make the datatag i have this erro : "data abort at 000004CC" 22.49.59 # <[dot]_j> hold down menu & play until it boots 22.50.01 # what do the mean ? 22.50.18 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 22.50.21 # <[dot]_j> the manual tells you how to boot to the apple side vs rockbox 22.50.41 # ok, thanks ;) 22.50.44 # Famicom: Shut down Rockbox by holding PLAY, then press MENU to wake it up, and keep your finger held down on MENU, being careful not to move it until you see "Loading original firmware' appear. 22.51.40 # <[dot]_j> thanks again for the help - off to dinner 22.51.45 Quit [dot]_j ("Leaving.") 22.51.51 # uhmm, thankss 22.53.15 # linuxstb, so now I can reinstall iTUNES on my pc and it will comunicate with my iPOD? 22.53.43 # being unnecessary to uninstall rockbox, I mean 22.54.02 # Yes, you don't even need to be in the Apple firmware to use iTunes. 22.54.24 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.54.33 # It works fine in the emergency disk mode Rockbox reboots into when you insert a USB cable. 22.54.38 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54848132.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.54.46 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 22.57.22 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3061.gwdg.de) 22.57.39 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 22.58.15 # ok, thanks again :) 22.58.27 # emergency disk mode? 22.59.51 Quit psiborg ("Ex-Chat") 22.59.54 Part lowlight 23.04.40 # hmm the install bootloader of the x5l section of the manual is "to do" 23.04.56 # anyone avaliable to walk me thorugh it? 23.05.02 # z0de: try the wiki 23.05.09 # iaudioport 23.05.14 # k 23.05.16 # thx 23.05.27 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot 23.06.03 # thx again 23.06.35 # * petur wonders if anybody ever heard of a 'device_instance' type in a DOS program 23.10.39 # please what mean this erro : "data abort at 000004CC" 23.12.25 # <_flik_> that rockbox crashed when the program counter was at address 0x000004CC, if that helps you 23.12.53 # and that it did so thanks to unaligned memory 23.13.11 # and the .map file can explain what's in that memory 23.13.53 # ok thanks 23.14.34 Quit Siku () 23.16.00 # where is the .map file? 23.16.28 Quit bundik ("Quit") 23.17.00 # any idea why we seem to get channels switching on 4g ipods when it isn't crashing? I don't know anything about the actual playback hardware... 23.17.17 Join Rincewind [0] (i=squid@proxy1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 23.18.46 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.18.59 # hcs: "seem to" ? 23.19.39 # well, yes, we do get channels switching 23.19.48 # * z0de now has rockbox 23.19.51 # <_flik_> preflow: i created a the test now for the static variable reinitialization problem 23.20.15 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.20.25 # * preglow is thorougly confused 23.20.32 # _flik_: and what happened? 23.20.37 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.206.15) 23.20.51 # hcs: Any idea if it's certain codecs, or all codecs? 23.21.04 # <_flik_> preflow: it behaves the way i noticed in the uisimulator: when dlopen()ing and dlclosing() the static variables are not reinitialized 23.21.07 # linuxstb: I'm doing testing along that line now 23.21.25 Quit My_Sic ("CGI:IRC") 23.21.31 # <_flik_> sorry preglow not preflow 23.21.45 # does rockbox have a back button, im stuck in the picture viewer on the x5 23.21.52 # linuxstb: but I've noticed it in mp3 and aac, most of my recent testing was with mono files, though, so it didn't become apparent 23.22.07 # hcs: I've never noticed it, but I'm not sure I would anyway... 23.22.40 # its the power button 23.22.51 # _flik_: i'd report this to someone who should know, then, this is obviously a bug some place 23.23.06 # linuxstb: it's accompanied by an irritating click even if there's no obvious difference between the channels, as the waves don't quite match up 23.23.59 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 23.24.10 # <_flik_> preglow: i will try the test on linux first though 23.24.43 # _flik_: just put the source somewhere and i can test right now 23.25.05 # hello rockboxers, I've got a pretty simple question and I just can't seem to locate the answer on the website 23.25.15 # yipe: then ask away 23.25.22 # hcs: In which case, I've never noticed it. What format do you normally listen to? 23.25.40 # how do you get BACK to the wps once you've left it to go look around at whatever, WITHOUT messing with the track that's playing 23.26.00 # yipe: press play 23.26.01 # yipe: PLAY on most (all?) devices. 23.26.03 # sometimes I might wanna turn the volume up, or rewind, and I can't do nothin' without starting the whole track over again, 23.26.08 # <_flik_> preglow: ok its at http://xile.org/~miket/load.c and http://xile.org/~miket/test.c 23.26.13 # are you serious? I'm an idiot 23.26.28 # linuxstb: this seems to be specifically an issue with barrywardell's cpufreq4.patch 23.26.28 # yeah, that's it, thank you 23.26.54 # linuxstb: as I very rarely noticed it before I started to test this, I usually listen to mp3s 23.27.09 # hcs: OK. I haven't tried that yet - I'm on vacation, and don't have my photo with me. 23.27.44 Quit GreyFoux ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") 23.27.56 # My first guess would be that it's interfering with the FIQ in some way, causing a sample to be dropped. 23.28.07 # am I right in guessing that the battery level indicator and the estimates of running time left aren't too accurate? 23.28.27 # In many cases the estimated time remaining is especially horrible. 23.28.31 # linuxstb: so it goes to the dsp fully interleaved? 23.28.34 # hcs: Does it happen when the CPU is being boosted/unboosted? 23.28.35 # ipod? 23.28.37 # hcs: yes. 23.29.03 Quit Rincewind ("Bye") 23.29.24 # linuxstb: it does seem to be associated with the boosting/unboosting 23.29.32 # _flik_: counts from 0 to 4, then starts over again 23.29.44 # _flik_: which looks to me to be correct behaviour 23.29.54 Join Abst [0] (n=Abst@unaffiliated/abst) 23.30.00 # <_flik_> preglow: ok, on os x it counts to 24 23.30.11 # hcs: If barrywardell's patch disables interrupts, maybe it is disabling them for too long. The FIQ needs to keep a 32-byte (I think) FIFO from emptying. 23.30.12 # _flik_: clearly buggy behaviour, now go nag apple about it ;) 23.30.31 # linuxstb: running the adx decoder it doesn't seem to be an issue, and that almost never requires boosting 23.30.39 # linuxstb: very possible, he does disable interrupts 23.31.16 # <_flik_> preglow: i will, thanks again for testing 23.31.20 # _flik_: np 23.31.48 # LinusN, you around? 23.32.45 # Kitt0s: He is not even online 23.33.01 # lol :P 23.35.03 # _flik_: btw, you should probably check if this is an issue on other bsds too 23.35.30 # <_flik_> preglow: yup, i will google for the issue 23.37.33 Quit Abst (Client Quit) 23.37.37 # wooo, my h120 just hung when trying to enter a dir 23.37.42 # rockbox seems somewhat more flakey than usual of late... 23.38.14 # too many core changes 23.39.32 # linuxstb: even without disabling interrupts the switching sill happens 23.41.06 # what do you need tested? I'm on FreeBSD 23.42.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.44.08 Quit NickDe (Remote closed the connection) 23.45.19 # hmm, can iriver flash plugin flash iriver official images? 23.45.21 # <_flik_> Kasperle: whether reloading a shared library causes its static members to be reset 23.45.39 # preglow: I believe so. At least the wiki claims so. 23.45.56 # i'm getting a bit tired of keeping rockbox in flash while developing 23.47.21 # Yes, a boot-order setting would be nice. 23.47.47 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 23.48.23 # argh, why does the wiki download links have to be so unfriendly to wget 23.49.04 # can you charge rockbox on an x5 while the usb is plugged in? 23.49.26 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-16-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 23.50.29 # _flik_: on freebsd it counts to 4 several times 23.50.43 # or does rockbox have a alarmclock fature? 23.50.47 # feature? 23.50.52 # <_flik_> Kasperle: ok, thanks, this is the correct behaivour 23.51.18 Part nave7693 23.51.33 # linuxstb: plugin says unknown file type, though 23.51.34 # _flik_: (tested it like this: gcc -shared -o test.dylib ; gcc -o load load.c ; ./load, I had to point load.c to "./test.dylib" though) 23.51.54 # Kasperle: then it's a os x bug 23.52.02 # preglow: .hex or .bin (i.e. decrypted) ? 23.52.03 # <_flik_> Kasperle: yup 23.52.05 # linuxstb: crypted 23.52.13 # right, that might be it... 23.52.15 # IIRC, it needs the ,.bin 23.52.28 # anyone 23.53.16 # z0de: There is no alarm-clock at the moment on the X5. I've no idea about USB charging. 23.53.35 Quit Famicom () 23.54.01 # linuxstb: right, also it can't be patched 23.54.22 # :( the cowen software has an alarm, any idea if it would be put on 23.54.33 # it would be very usefull to me. 23.54.45 # z0de: It's been talked about, so I'm sure it will come. 23.54.49 # :D 23.56.02 # * _flik_ heads to apple bugreporter 23.56.17 # what about the usb as i have the doc which has both usb and charger pluged in to it. can rockbox prioertise the charger? 23.56.28 # and only usb when comp tells it too. 23.57.15 # <_flik_> oops, i get a java.lang.NullPointerException when trying to log into the apple bug reporter ;-) 23.57.18 # wtf, it refuses to let me update the bootloader 23.57.58 # z0de: I've no idea. LinusN or jhMikeS may know if you catch them around - I think they're the two main low-level X5 developers.