--- Log for 29.10.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 hours and 8 minutes ago 00.00.00 # petur, have the 80gig toshiba's come out yet, I only see a zif 80gigger on ewiz: http://www.ewiz.com/query.php?categry=59&brand=Toshiba&dp=1&dt=&categry=59&brand=Toshiba&pa0=&pa1=&pa2=&pa3=&pa4=&pa5=&searchStr=Search+from+current+results&myanchor=%23displaytop&categry=59&brand=Toshiba&pa0=&pa1=&pa2=&pa3=&pa4=1.8+inch&pa5=&nl=10&searchStr=Search+from+current+results&ob=&myanchor=%23displaytop 00.00.35 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 00.00.49 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 00.01.13 # iriverh340: They are out, but cost a fortune 00.01.34 # Kitt0s: If you want it, feel free to implement it. 00.01.42 # nobody has 'm in stock so they aren't really out 00.01.55 # Paul_the_Nerd, so its not an option yet i see.. 00.02.01 # i might just try :] 00.02.10 # yeah I'm just glad the x5's 60gig drive is a direct-drop-in for the h340 00.02.46 # so it'll just be like always...the h340 with 60 gigs + rockbox = what I'm used to...I'd just have to learn the buttons & what-not 00.02.57 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-195-194.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 00.06.54 # Paul_the_Nerd, where can i find the source for the viewers? 00.08.22 # Kitt0s: apps/plugins 00.08.32 # thanks 00.10.18 # There is so little info on the 1.8" Seagate drives 00.10.43 # I would like to know if they have the same size as the toshiba drives 00.10.43 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.11.13 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 00.13.42 Quit iriverh340 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.15.36 # markun : dont ask any question here, you will never get a response .. 00.15.40 # amiconn: yes, around again. 00.20.49 # jhMikeS: A few hours ago you said you would clean up the button read activation/deactivation. I just want to know whether I'll see a commit soon, so I can adjust my H300 patch 00.20.59 Join andrewmel [0] (n=andrewme@220-253-101-18.TAS.netspace.net.au) 00.21.12 # Anyone around with gnu make 3.80 or earlier? 00.21.54 # amiconn: I have 3.80 on this machine 00.22.13 # I was gonna clean it for x5. I don't think it will affect anything for H300. 00.22.23 # hcs: So you're observing the silent builds with latest cvs. Would you like to test a patch for me? 00.22.38 # amiconn: sure 00.23.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/jpeg.c?rev=1.62&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup 00.23.44 # how come it doesnt show all 00.23.44 # ?:D 00.24.54 # hcs: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/makeinfo.patch 00.25.05 # You need to reconfigure after applying the patch 00.25.16 # If I am wanting to pass two short data types to a procedure, is this the procedure header code? 00.25.17 # void prepare_sound(short sound, buffer) 00.28.58 # amiconn: ok, now running make, seeing all the build stuff listed, was that the point? 00.28.59 # I think it needs to be (short sound, short buffer). 00.29.20 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.29.23 # thanks linuxstb 00.30.10 # HOLY SHITTTTTTTTT 00.30.10 # HOLY SHITTTTTTTTT 00.30.10 # hcs: Yes. It should look almost exactly like before my commit yesterday 00.30.25 # i just installed the new cvs on my x5l 00.30.26 # (with a warning at the very top that you should consider upgrading make) 00.30.29 # with the new boost 00.30.32 # works like a charm!! 00.30.44 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 00.31.11 # amiconn: yep, complete w/ warning 00.31.16 # <]RowaN[> anyone know if its currently possible to delete a song when using rockbox (ipod nano) in tagcache view? 00.31.32 # what kind of performance increase should I expect if I upgrade? 00.31.48 # hcs: do you have a X5? 00.32.07 # markun: no, iPod 4g color 00.32.17 # The build will be a bit faster because 'make' doesn't need to spawn an echo command for every message, but can use an internal function instead 00.32.25 # its the browsing for me.. i click to get to a root folder, then boom its there.. and there used to be a delay.. 00.32.40 # hcs: then I don't think you should expect any improvement 00.33.03 # The speedup depends on your build platfrom. ~20% on cygwin, a few percent on linux 00.33.33 # markun: I didn't mean rockbox speedup, just the build time 00.33.42 # ah, sorry 00.33.50 # * jhMikeS is gonna work on getting right of the adc tick task as well 00.33.58 # rid even 00.34.03 # u know something wired 00.34.13 # i plug my x5 to the power cable 00.34.18 # then it says complete 00.34.23 # but when i turn rockbox on 00.34.31 # i have like less then half battery 00.34.33 # jhMikeS: For archos it has to stay, and makes sense, but for all others it should go imho 00.35.08 Quit qailer ("Leaving") 00.36.34 # Kitt0s: yes, that's weird 00.37.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 00.37.40 # report? :\ 00.39.57 # Kitt0s: what? 00.40.04 # report the bug ?:D 00.40.45 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 00.43.25 # Hello does anybody know the makefilesystem for codecs? 00.43.36 Quit midgey34 () 00.44.37 # how do i make the makefile do a new target (e.g. libspeex:), as e.g. "libmad:" 00.45.08 # freqmod: my technique for figuring that out was searching for libmad throughout the sources 00.45.25 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.45.26 Join chendo [0] (n=chendo@203-206-106-211.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.45.32 # you specifically have to add stuff to tools/configure 00.45.41 # ok 00.46.03 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.46.29 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 00.50.33 Quit ender` (" Today's BOFH excuse: Zombie processes haunting the computer") 00.51.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.51.48 # Hrrrmmm! 00.52.20 # The build colouring script counts the 'make' version warning as an error 00.52.25 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.52.30 # amiconn: heh 00.52.58 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 00.53.16 # the "Header parsed" lines are on stderr for some reason 00.56.10 # Hmmm, I just had that "header parsed" for the first time this morning 00.56.46 # yeah, I hadn't noticed it before, either 00.57.41 # coffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffe 00.57.49 # amiconn: I'll do the cleanup first though then commence to that 00.58.40 # * amiconn is undecided how to proceed. 00.59.06 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 00.59.28 Join esy [0] (i=446ee6b9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.59.41 Join plus_M [0] (n=nyoro@24-179-151-109.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) 00.59.42 Quit chendo_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.59.50 # hey eveyrone I wanted to see if there was any luck on the 5.5g ipod problem 00.59.57 # Removing the warning message would remove the error colouring, but then the user wouldn't know that upgrading make would be useful 01.00.08 Part RogerBacon ("Quitte") 01.00.14 # put it on stdout instead? 01.00.23 # How? 01.00.27 # I don't know 01.00.35 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 01.00.47 # At the point of this check no shell commands are run. 01.01.11 # amiconn: you misread the patch 01.01.29 # It just uses another built-in function, $(warning), which is available since several 'make' versions ago 01.01.30 # amiconn: when a thread sleeps while boosted, the CPU stays boosted 01.02.20 # amiconn: the only time the cpu changes boost states is when 1) the cpu is not boosted and a thread requests boost or 2) _all_ threads have slept (without requesting a boosted sleep) since their last boost request 01.02.51 # esy, if you go to the rockbox forum, and look in the New ports sub-forum you will find a thread there. Those working on it seem to post there often 01.03.35 # Sounds rather complicated. 01.03.54 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.04.33 # I would expect the boost count to run out of sync with what a thread expects it to be 01.04.58 Join ze [0] (i=ze@70.40.152.105) 01.05.02 # amiconn: the scheduler is one cpu_boost client it only ever boosts once no matter how many times how many threads call trigger_cpu_boost 01.05.21 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-243-92.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 01.05.22 # amiconn: note: this is a reimpl of what slasheri already committed, because his impl made me uncomfortable ;) 01.05.39 # It doesn't apply to manual boosts? 01.05.46 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 01.05.56 # amiconn: right, manual boost is still totally separate 01.06.18 # Hmm, then I wonder something different: 01.06.38 Quit josep (Remote closed the connection) 01.06.55 # What would cause a thread which uses trigger_cpu_boost to need to sleep with the cpu boosted? 01.07.47 # Hmm, the only reason I could imagine would be a very short sleep 01.07.53 # amiconn: well the way I have it figured: when the filebuffer is filling, and the pcmbuffer runs low, that trade-off of cpu cycles wants to keep the CPU boosted 01.08.33 # the other situation which I've coded it to keep the CPU boosted during a sleep is when it goes to indefinite block waiting for another thread to do something; timed blocks unboost. 01.08.35 # rockboxui is really great 01.09.00 Quit esy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.09.07 # Lol, I fell asleep listening to music.. 01.09.13 # amiconn: but actually, now that I think of it, I might be able to just double check and/or adjust the audio_yield_codecs method so there is no need for the sleep_w_boost function. 01.09.17 # And at 3AM, the battery on my H10 nearly died. 01.09.28 # And you all know what happens when it's low on battery. 01.09.29 # -_-; 01.09.33 # Rude awakening. 01.09.58 # lostlogic: Does the scheduler keep track of which threads used trigger_cpu_boost? 01.10.07 # if one of the devs of rockboxui is here 01.10.14 # amiconn: yeah, I made it part of the state 01.10.19 # Kudos to you! 01.10.33 # might tweak it so that it doesn't use up an extra bit if this is to get committed 01.12.16 # <_jhMikeS_> The build table is spotting ;P 01.12.39 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01.12.44 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-243-92.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 01.12.50 # Btw, one thing I found that at least on some targets, using bitfields for booleans is more efficient that using bitmasks. 01.13.04 # Note - that is true for booleans _only_ 01.13.22 # forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by a bitfield? 01.13.26 # weird 01.13.36 # struct mystatus { 01.13.43 # int somevalue; 01.13.50 # bool state1:1; 01.13.55 # bool state2:1; 01.13.57 # } 01.14.23 # which targets? 01.14.29 # This way, each bool takes one bit. Of course they need to be grouped together 01.14.41 # SH and coldfire iirc 01.14.49 # is bool technically signed or unsigned? 01.14.58 # hmph, neat 01.14.59 # neither 01.15.35 # well if you look at a one bit bool I've seen them interpreted as -1 on ms compilers 01.15.43 # bool should never be treated as being equivalent to one of the integer types 01.16.02 # The implementation is compiler and platform dependent 01.16.20 # On some platforms, bool is a byte, on others it is an int 01.16.26 # that was only if the sign bit was set otherwise 0 or 1 01.16.51 Join voyage34 [0] (i=voyage34@24-196-200-108.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) 01.16.55 # False is usually zero, True can be either 1 or all bits set 01.17.12 # hi all 01.17.32 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.17.36 # ...and on some compilers it doesn't exist at all... 01.17.37 # I usually treat true as !false :P 01.18.02 # iiow: if x != false not if x == true 01.19.10 # quick question... I have rockbox loaded and am loving it.. thing is My battery is completely drained and Im unable to get it to boot into either apple fw or RB.... 01.19.40 # how can I get it to go directly into a charge from a discharged state like this? 01.19.43 # amiconn: I did commit that if it makes any diff since it's all x5 code 01.20.39 # I think a few server need the new make... 01.23.02 # any of you have a suggestion? 01.23.10 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.23.16 # wish I could help but I don't have an iPod 01.23.37 # i understand. thanks 01.23.43 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 01.23.46 # plug it in for 20-30 minutes, flick hold on and off, then hit menu+select to reboot... 01.23.46 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.23.51 # voyage34: Just connect it to usb or the charger and it should charge 01.23.57 # should then boot and you can continue to charge 01.24.02 # voyage34: Just plug the charger in and wait. You may need to reset it (hold MENU+SELECT), and sometimes forcing it into disk mode (holding SELECT+PLAY immediately after resetting) helps. 01.24.06 # ...even if it doesn't display that it charges 01.25.11 # k. will try again.. I plugged it in usb and and it just show the battery like it's charging but it doesnt move and it didnt seem to charge... 01.25.17 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16B39.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.25.35 # pluggin it in to an AC adapter it just reboots 01.27.21 Quit obo ("bye") 01.27.41 # amiconn: would you like to clean up the codec makefiles now that you're at it? :> 01.28.01 # thanks for the ideas all .. I will try them out and let you know how it goes.. preesh 01.28.28 # currently, all codecs are linked with all codec libraries at the same time, and we get conflicts when linking speex since speex and tremor have colliding symbols 01.28.38 # In pascal if I pass a variable to a procedure, I need to put (var size : int) (or something like that) for the procedure to be able to change the value of that variable, if you leave the var out it cannont change the value. Is there a similar thing in C? 01.29.04 # andrewmel: no, only pointers 01.29.12 # andrewmel: in c++ you have something that works much like it called references 01.29.33 # You need to pass a pointer to the variable - i.e. "void myfunc(int* x) { ... }" and you call it by myfunc(&var); 01.29.53 Quit rconan ("Leaving") 01.29.54 # You then need to do *x to dereference the pointer within myfunc. 01.30.40 # hmmm, I am have a procedure in an #ifdef. It uses two shorts that are declared within the #ifdef and I want to pass them to the procedure from outside the #ifdef, that should work, shouldnt it? 01.30.55 Join solarflare [0] (n=supernov@82-203-170-134.dsl.gohome.fi) 01.31.52 # so that would look like this 01.32.01 # void prepare_sound(short* sound, short* buffer) 01.32.25 # and 01.32.45 # prepare_sound(&var tick_sound, &var tick_buff); 01.32.46 # ? 01.33.17 # prepare_sound(&tick_sound, &tick_buff); 01.33.36 # (for calling it) 01.33.38 # bleh, so now i have to upgrade make? -_- 01.33.51 Part Paul_the_Nerd 01.34.12 # the declaration is correct? 01.34.33 # yes 01.34.39 # thanks guys :) 01.35.29 # * Nimdae tries to figure out how to upgrade make on his server without breaking other stuff 01.35.44 # What OS are you running? 01.35.58 # rhel4 01.36.28 # linuxstb_: was that asked of me? 01.36.39 # andrewmel: No, Nimdae 01.37.14 # * linuxstb_ can't help with redhat 01.37.36 # think i'll make a secondary install in /usr/local/make and add it to the path for rbclient 01.38.04 # Or just somewhere within ~rbclient 01.38.31 # true, but i was gonna just keep it separate from those files 01.38.58 # i normally make my local builds in ~/local, heh 01.41.37 # hmm, what do you think about moving the codec yields out from the codecs themselves and into the playback.c code? Seems like every codec yields on about the same 'schedule' and once per buffer insert as a rule, so that yield could probably be moved into the callback and make just as much sense 01.42.32 # Some codecs yield more often. I remember adding yields inside the ALAC decoder when I first ported it - I'm assuming they are still there. 01.43.19 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1789F.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.43.30 # uhmmm....I think codecs should be able to optimize their yielding if needed even if it's similar atm for each 01.43.36 # linuxstb_: the codec handles large frames and thereby wouldn't be yielding often enough? 01.44.00 # I assume so - I can't remember the reason any more... 01.44.10 # hah, ok, so much for that idea ;) 01.44.12 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 01.44.14 # there, now to wait for a commit to make sure that worked 01.44.19 # let's get bugs out of playback.c first. how about making it stable when codecs fail? 01.44.29 # or is there a way for me to just test it? 01.44.36 # From the cvs log: "Add yield() calls inside the monolithic ALAC decode_frame() function - improves responsiveness of UI during ALAC decoding" 01.45.01 # jhMikeS: what badness happens when codecs fail? 01.45.06 # Did the same stuff for wavpack_enc. It yield four times per chunk 01.45.45 # lostlogic: Playback will bust and no longer work reliably after the first failure. Usually after playing a lot of short files or fast skipping. 01.46.48 # jhMikeS: so the problem isn't with a codec failing, it's with playback not handling something else correctly and thereby causing corruption which causes codec failure and further badness 01.47.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host35-212.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 01.47.39 # * preglow hands freqmod the "most broken patch ever" award 01.47.43 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.47.43 # Why should the codec fail on a short file at all for instance and even if it does thing should be in a left normal state that shouldn't affect anything later negatively. 01.48.22 # jhMikeS: right, but the problem is not with the handling of a codec failure (most likely) it's with what _caused_ the codec to fail. 01.48.41 # and that _cause_ is most likely _also_ what causes playback to remain flakey after the codec fails 01.48.55 Join AdamKili [0] (n=adam@71-213-191-218.albq.qwest.net) 01.49.17 # does rockbox support videos? which codecs? 01.49.29 # either way it leaves a mess behind that only a reboot fixes 01.51.20 Part solarflare ("Leaving") 01.51.48 # jhMikeS: is there a flyspray for this situation, with a logf? 01.51.54 # if so, link me, if not, post one. 01.52.37 # lostlogic: I haven't put one up myself. 01.53.02 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.53.04 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.53.07 # AdamKili, go to the rockbox.org, click on the wiki link on the left, then click on plugin index, then find pluginmpegplayer and click on that, you will find all you need 01.53.53 # I noticed it because of all the short files made during recording work. Some stuff may be more complex than short file alone and I'll try to see how to break it consistently. 01.55.22 # Could also get some stuff happening where the wrong metadata is shown. 01.59.06 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 02.00.35 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 02.00.40 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.196.103) 02.04.50 # powermgmt.c is a wreck 02.10.18 # preglow: Those colliding symbols will need to be resolved I'm afraid 02.10.52 # I don't know how we should handle it otherwise, as there is no 1:1 relation between codec and codec library 02.11.04 Part AdamKili ("Ex-Chat") 02.11.37 # Some codecs need no library at all, and sometimes a library is used for more than one codec 02.11.43 # (e.g. flac and shorten) 02.12.11 # they are already resolved, but it's gonna bite us again 02.12.14 # Oh, and iiuc some codecs use more than one library (libm4a + some other) 02.12.19 # And AAC/ALAC need two libraries (libm4a plus the decoder) 02.12.20 # linking against all codec libs for all codecs is pretty nasty, if you ask me 02.12.31 # linuxstb: :) 02.12.39 # * linuxstb is too slow again... 02.12.58 # we'd pretty much need to hard code rules for this, sure 02.13.04 # but it's better than what we currently do 02.13.45 # It only seems to be the sim builds that link using $(CODECLIBS) - the target builds just use $(BUILDDIR)/libXXX.a 02.14.11 # Is it about time we declared the X11 and win32 sims dead? 02.15.03 # they are 02.15.04 # Also, the normal plugins link against the codec libs... 02.16.12 # how nice! 02.16.39 # I guess it's left from the test plugins, and is still used by the wavpack encoder plugin. 02.16.48 # linuxstb: I think that's something we want. E.g. mpegplayer will probably need libmad... 02.16.57 # * linuxstb was about to say that as well... 02.17.27 # * amiconn wonders whether he should remove the $(warning) for now... 02.18.47 # can't promise some thing with the charging/battery readon won't have some side effect :P 02.19.43 # I got libmad working with mpegplayer, but am getting a strange freeze when playing mp3 files. mp2 files seem fine. I went back and ressurrected the old mpa2wav plugin, and that is giving the same behaviour... 02.21.26 # ow my foot hurts! :( 02.22.35 # * petur has the isp1362 philips demo code rockbox compatible (compiled and linked) - starting integration :) 02.22.51 # All 42 mallocs dealt with? 02.23.00 # almost 02.23.18 # some were for some build-in shell app, I removed that completely 02.23.25 # Are you compiling it as a plugin? 02.23.35 # no 02.23.50 # will be h3x0 only anyway 02.24.27 # petur: is that usbotg? 02.24.33 # :D 02.25.04 Nick JoeyBorn is now known as JoeBorn (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 02.25.06 # petur: heh...that ALi chip will have its pants pulled down before long I'm sure 02.25.37 # I'm affraid my work will be totally uncompatible with x5 02.26.15 # why? At least setup a basic integration into rb that can have targeted portions. 0:) 02.26.16 # only the class drivers may be reused I think 02.26.24 # yes 02.28.38 # the isp1362 code won't share but the basic manner of ui and such should be and a basic usbotg abstract interface. 02.29.22 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.30.26 # yes... the class drivers may (hopefully) be re-used, all lower code is isp1362 specific. But I'll have to go through the class drivers as they may contain some hardware specific stuff - must check that later 02.31.19 # demo code? 02.31.30 # also, what chip is this again? 02.31.37 # isp1362 02.31.57 # it's free demo code that comes with a demo board 02.32.08 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.32.28 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 02.35.47 # It is going to be modal (enter through a menu item) or is a camera or whatever device going to show up as just another "disk"? 02.36.18 # would be nice if it came available as another volume 02.36.29 # what is the function of that chip? 02.36.31 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.199.164) 02.36.39 # usbotg 02.36.49 # ooooh 02.36.49 # I think ums devices could be integrated into the browser with multivolume support 02.36.51 # target? 02.36.56 # H300 02.36.57 # h3x0 02.36.59 # :D 02.37.46 # this will rockb pretty heavily 02.38.04 # let's celebrate that with another coffee 02.38.04 # petur: Iirc the isp1362 can detect plug-in while sleeping? 02.38.19 # * jhMikeS is out of espresso :( 02.38.21 # no idea 02.38.32 # it should 02.38.35 # just got an extra free hour here 02.38.52 # * petur already reset his watch :) 02.38.59 # * amiconn remembers having read something about a 'lazy clock' for plug-in detection in the isp datasheet 02.39.07 # yes 02.39.53 # I think I saw something in the code about that feature *checks* 02.42.16 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-174-247.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 02.42.23 # NOLAZY 02.42.26 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-THREE-TWENTY-ONE.MIT.EDU) 02.42.46 # If we can use that detection so the chip doesn't suck power as long as nothing is plugged and it powers up when needed this would really rock 02.43.04 # Just plug in an ums device, and it will appear in the browser... 02.43.20 # ...pull it again, and the chip will go to sleep... 02.43.46 # a debugger would be nice too.... 02.45.45 # it's not clear to me if you must set or clear that NOLAZY flag for this feature... the demo code sets it but there's no comment :( 02.47.50 # <_jhMikeS_> debug menu does its own home-brew battery scaling too...:-\ 02.48.11 Quit lodesi ("leaving") 02.48.13 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.48.18 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-174-247.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 02.48.24 # wondering if somebody can have a look at this error 02.48.26 # http://pastebin.ca/227074 02.49.28 # tickbuffer is already an address because it's an array 02.49.44 # so pass &tickbuffer[0] or just tickbufer 02.49.51 # amiconn: you think any target other than archos can dispense with adc_read and the tick task? 02.51.10 # thanks petur 02.51.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.51.47 # I still need the (short* soundbuffer) in the procedure header? 02.52.12 Join Moos [0] (i=51400b8c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.52.29 # that is if I am passing &tickbuffer[0] 02.52.53 # amiconn: just wanna be sure that's what you meant 02.53.07 # yes 02.53.08 # I'd treat the short* as a pointer, not array (in the function) 02.53.26 # I'm not sure, but maybe we should unify function names afterwards 02.53.26 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.54.12 # I mean, adc_read() for archos does pretty much what adc_scan() does for the others, apart from a 10ms delay 02.54.32 # (maximum of 10ms delay that is) 02.55.18 # Gah, button.c is a mess with all thios non-target-tree stuff still in 02.55.25 # There seems to be value in the caching for various screens though where they don't need info on the uS level. 02.55.27 # andrewmel: you're copying tick_sound into soundbuffer - why not just memcpy? 02.55.35 # * amiconn will probably need to port iriver buttons to target tree 02.56.07 # Suppose I should make it work more like the RTC readin where it limits the frequency of updates but has no tick task associated. 02.57.50 # Which screens (except debug) read the adc more than once per second? 02.57.53 # There needs to be a big exodus to the target tree for many things. 02.58.03 Quit EspeonEefi (Remote closed the connection) 02.58.09 # I guess none, and in fact I think they shouldn't 02.58.23 # it is making two copies of each bit, side by side, to make it stereo, I think. This code was in the original, but I need two sounds to I am making it a generic procedure and passing both sounds to it 02.58.52 # I'm looking but I'm thinking in terms of the RTC function where is just returns the same value if it's been < 1 sec. 02.59.05 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 02.59.20 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.59.35 # Would at least get rid of the tick task which accomplished little more 02.59.52 # at present I have it implemented on two procedures that are identical but for the variables they use 02.00.03 # Again: which screens do read the adc directly and read it that often? 02.00.19 # Imho no screen should directly read adc 02.00.34 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 02.00.58 # andrewmel: http://pastebin.ca/227088 02.01.06 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-THREE-TWENTY-ONE.MIT.EDU) 02.01.35 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 02.02.22 # The button and remote button channel (and remote type detection in case of the h1x0/h300) are read by the button driver 02.02.35 # The battery channel should only be read by the power thread 02.02.37 # debug screen and the charging info in screens.c 02.02.50 # or is that limited there? 02.02.53 # debug screen doesn't count (and doesn't read too often either) 02.03.07 # and the charging info display needs fixing 02.03.14 # We talked about that earlier 02.03.22 # It should use battery_voltage() 02.04.01 # petur: thanks, will do it like that :) 02.05.07 # I know. I changed it but haven't tested...it's my first real look at all this. I'll absorb it and have clearer ideas. 02.07.50 # Iirc you can't test that... the charging screen is only used on targets where rockbox can run from flash 02.08.41 # (and have charging) 02.09.26 # this is the condition: #if defined(CONFIG_CHARGING) && !defined(HAVE_POWEROFF_WHILE_CHARGING) 02.09.55 # can comment out that part and have a look anyway 02.09.56 # do we have text vertical scrolling code in rockbox? like console output? 02.11.32 # doesn't the browser do some shift trick? 02.11.36 # Doesn't logf on the remote do that? 02.11.39 # nope 02.11.54 # No vertical scrolling in the core 02.12.04 # ah well... 02.12.05 # petur: how would backdrops work with that? 02.12.25 # render text is separate buffer 02.13.19 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.19.12 # Ahahaha 02.19.57 # ConTEXT is able to detect changes done by other programs in files opened for editing 02.20.11 # Due to the dst change, it now thinks all files have changed... 02.20.24 # rotfl 02.20.45 # ms devstudio did no such thing here 02.24.18 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.24.50 Quit lini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.26.39 # Notepad++ has the same bug... 02.27.11 # /join #gtk+ 02.27.14 # arghle 02.27.36 # hmph...europe is looking better and better 02.27.47 # Is that the opposite of argbe ? ;) 02.28.41 # it might 02.29.28 # (not as any offense to europians...the US is just getting worse) =) 02.29.55 # how could you mean offense to europeans by saying europe looks better and better? 02.30.18 # by people inferring that it was worse before 02.31.02 # and for some odd reason, i forgot about the word "europeans" =( 02.31.28 # bush signed an enabling act and i am not in a good mood 02.32.37 # I like europe 02.32.40 # it was always good 02.32.47 # good infrastructure everywhere 02.33.53 # for example you can go nearly anywhere in most of europe without a car 02.34.26 # well, it's theoretically possible, but not always practical... 02.34.43 # it's certainly 10x better than what north america has 02.34.50 # as long as you stay close to cities you should be fine anyway 02.34.51 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 02.35.45 # * lostlogic is a car free American and happy :-P 02.36.13 # * hcs is as well, yay public transit 02.36.20 # bicycle! 02.36.20 # what was he referring to getting better and better 02.36.22 # lostlogic: we mean motor free!! 02.36.28 # north america has what, 1/50th the population density of europe. 02.36.40 # preglow: lol the motorcycle is just a toy, the bicycle is my primary transportation! 02.36.45 # it is quite easy in places like NY...but harder most other places.. 02.37.06 # bicycles are nice 02.37.28 # at least in canada even in some small 1 horse town you can usually get broadband 02.37.36 # but getting to it is another story 02.37.37 # scorche: yeah, the problem is that peopel in the US have this strange compulsion to want to live in wide open spaces instead of living in _convenient_ _practical_ places. 02.38.01 # lordy blanket statement. 02.38.15 # haha...indeed 02.38.16 # lostlogic: Or sometimes living further from where you work can make up for the time and gas costs in significantly reduced rent, depending on where you live. 02.38.47 # * jhMikeS doesn't like cities 02.38.55 # me neither 02.38.58 # luckily i live in one 02.39.16 # Paul_the_Nerd: ah, but getting rid of the car entirely would probably make up for the cost of living closer :-D 02.39.16 # having my neighbor be able to see me is bad enough 02.39.23 # my freind lives in the middle of no where, away from the city and has 10mbit internet 02.39.28 # and is happy 02.39.32 # lostlogic - rarely. 02.39.43 # I lov emy city life -- had the pleasure of watching a fight at a bus stop from my bedroom window just now :-P 02.39.51 # haha 02.39.58 # i love in a quiet part of oslo, though 02.39.59 # lostlogic - not to get into this conversation, but to deny the economic benifit to many people the automobile provides is to wear blinders. 02.40.04 # suits me nicely, i used to live right next to a tram stop 02.40.06 # you just gotta drive 20 minutes to get anything 02.40.26 # * Paul_the_Nerd lives in Texas where an hour drive is still "right next door" 02.40.31 # many major cities in the US don't allow gun ownership :-( 02.40.31 # pagefault: hey, that is how i used to live before moving away to stufy :> 02.40.32 # Soap: really? $300/mo car payment? that's a big change in living... add gas and insurance and you're moving quite a good distance toward where work is 02.40.34 # study 02.40.36 # there are many reasons to shun the automobile culture. 02.40.48 # but economics is not one. 02.40.51 # Fortunately Austin has a semblance of public transportation, and is very bicycle friendly. 02.40.59 # Soap: I got no problems with cars _per se_ I have a problem with building towns where a car is a _necessity_ for living there. 02.41.30 # I can agree with that - zoning rules are a problem, but the fact is many people save significant amounts of money by commuting. 02.41.43 # right now I live in the suburbs 02.41.43 # even with the oppritunity cost of time wasted factored in. 02.41.49 # lostlogic: Have you heard of this: http://www.austinyellowbike.org/ ? 02.41.51 # but it's slowly being swallowed up by the ciyt 02.41.53 # city 02.42.03 # Soap: I ahven't done the research, so I'll believe you on that, even though my gut disagrees. 02.42.21 # the economic decisions of tens of millions disagree. 02.42.24 # I live driving distance from 4 home depots and 3 costcos 02.42.30 # all 5 minutes away 02.42.35 # so it's getting creepy 02.42.47 # you are too willing to blame that on an "american compulsion to live in wide open spaces" 02.42.58 # when many are making sound economic judgements. 02.43.07 # Soap: Millions think that "No money down" is a good economic decision. 02.43.12 # Soap: that's what it seems like when I ask people who I work with why they live 30 miles instead of 4 miles from the city 02.43.18 # Paul_the_Nerd: laugh! 02.43.20 # Paul_the_Nerd - and when chosen well it is. 02.43.25 # I am a cycle rider. I ride 12.5 km to work each day, and 12.5 km home. except for thursdays, when I drive as I have a clarinet lesson I cant change and cant get to in time 02.43.35 # Paul_the_Nerd: I've not heard of that... I don't live in Austin :-P -- we have a program called "Working Bikes" here in Chicago that is similar 02.43.46 # my work is 2.5 km from me 02.43.48 # lostlogic: I just heard about it about a week ago. 02.43.49 # so I just walk there 02.43.52 # but thats a rare case 02.44.06 # * scorche looks back on the horror of the tangent that he facilitated 02.44.09 # * Paul_the_Nerd would love to work somewhere within walking distance. 02.44.12 # My house cost 250 in the middle of the city. In the suburbs this 1200 sq footer would cost 1/2 that at most. 02.44.42 # I just go home for lunch 02.44.48 # and walk back 02.45.00 # Ah well, I was just gonna lurk. Some sort of animated Hellboy movie is on, and I desperately want it to not suck. 02.45.00 # I could probably increase the footage 50% for 1/2 the cost outside the city. A mortgage pament difference of 800 dollars a month covers a lot of honda civic gas. 02.45.04 # * Paul_the_Nerd fades into the shadows. 02.45.27 # what's the us gas price like these days? 02.45.31 # Soap: I still say it's a problem of people here thinking they 'need' more space than they really do 02.45.42 # preglow: $2.08/gallon where I live 02.45.44 # preglow: I paid 2.70/gal in Chicago today 02.45.48 # Paul_the_Nerd: hate. 02.45.51 # ahahahaha 02.45.52 # it's about 74 cents CAD here per liter 02.45.53 # the only problem is people making such judgement for others. 02.45.56 # how the bloody hell is that possible 02.46.02 # I paid 2.70 today for diesel. 02.46.08 # I have no idea what gasoline is. 02.46.14 # we use the metric system :> 02.46.18 # haha 02.46.38 # crap.. u guys have cheap petrol 02.46.49 # it's over 1.5$ just for liter here 02.46.51 # .74 (Canadian dollars per liter) = 2.49151003 U.S. dollars per US gallon 02.46.54 # half of the US's gas comes from us 02.47.01 # or google calc fucked up... 2.70/3L is damn cheap 02.47.09 # and we bloody pump the shit out of our ocean 02.47.11 # it should be dirt cheap for domestic people 02.47.16 # half our oil might come from canada, but not half the gasoline. 02.47.16 # but it doesn't work that way 02.47.21 # you all don't have sweet crude. 02.47.29 # preglow: damn, $5/gallon! 02.47.33 # i don't really think it should be dirt cheap 02.47.37 # i think our price is pretty ok, really 02.47.40 # considering what you get 02.47.45 # it's mostly all taxes 02.47.53 # not the oil itself 02.47.56 # 40% of it is tax 02.48.00 # * Paul_the_Nerd gets it dirt cheap, because he lives in OilLand. 02.48.00 # by the liter, coke is tons more expensive than gas 02.48.13 Join Psiuyo [0] (n=me@S0106000f66cdc7db.cg.shawcable.net) 02.48.14 # and gas is one of the nicest forms of energy there is 02.48.19 # but I have free health care and other nice things 02.48.19 # Coke is 50cent/litre. 02.48.20 # densest. 02.48.25 # so I can't really complain 02.48.33 # Actually, $1 02.48.39 # a litre? 02.48.50 # coke is sugary water 02.48.50 # heh 02.48.53 # depends.. when its on sale 2L coke is $2.. which is slightly cheaper than petrol 02.48.56 # you often see 2 litre bottles for $1.50 or less 02.49.05 # 2L coke is like $1.30 on sale here 02.49.17 # but 600ml coke can be up @ $3.. so painfully expensive : 02.49.18 # I buy Kroger brand for 25-33 cents a litre. 02.49.20 # .. but you cant drink petrol now can you?? 02.49.26 # once 02.49.27 # * Paul_the_Nerd buys six-packs of 500mL Dr Pepper for $2.99 usually 02.49.27 # i just don't buy it... 02.49.29 # since the USD depreciated so much 02.49.33 # things have gotten so cheap here 02.49.35 # * lostlogic 's job gives him all the free soda he can drink, so it's clearly cheaper than gasoline :-P 02.49.37 # and i dont image coke would be very efficient in a car 02.49.37 # * Paul_the_Nerd is an addict. 02.49.43 # only beverages i ever buy are milk, juice and beer 02.49.43 # while we still get paid the same salary 02.49.54 # Dr Pepper is like, the primary reason I would have difficulty living outside the US. 02.49.59 # water > * 02.50.06 # Paul_the_Nerd: wow. 02.50.10 # Paul_the_Nerd: you can get dr. pepper here too 02.50.12 # Dr Pepoper is absolutly horrible :D 02.50.29 # preglow, where are you at 02.50.32 # norway 02.50.33 # preglow: I know that it's available elsewhere, I've lived overseas before, but I've found it widely less available (particularly in restaurants) 02.50.41 # Paul_the_Nerd: widely less available, sure 02.50.44 # ah, I have many friends there 02.50.47 # I need to go someday 02.51.00 # Of course, I was in Indonesia... we had one grocery store that would get a flat of it about once every two months. 02.51.08 # And there was one other expatriate family that drank it. 02.51.43 # I went to some indian grocery store 02.51.47 # the coke was from spain 02.51.49 # and in spanish 02.51.54 # I have no idea how that happened to be 02.52.00 # this was in canada 02.52.06 # You silly canadians. 02.52.18 # I think he tried to import some thinking it was cheaper 02.52.42 # all this talk makes me wish i had beer 02.53.13 # I have some now 02.53.18 # but it's from belgium 02.53.18 # * Paul_the_Nerd has not yet found a beer he's liked. 02.53.55 # * scorche is a fan of hefeweizen 02.54.02 # hefeweizen rocks 02.54.06 # belgian beer rocks 02.54.07 # never heard of that one 02.54.13 # it's a type 02.54.15 # pagefault: it's a style, wheat beer 02.54.17 # ah 02.54.20 # like hoegarden 02.54.22 # or how it is 02.54.25 # nope, that's wit 02.54.28 # oh 02.54.29 # but it resembles 02.54.33 Join ebel [0] (n=rory@213-202-153-221.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 02.54.36 # i havent ever see it bottled before 02.54.42 # not sure if that is a bad thing or not 02.54.46 # hoegaarden is nice... 02.54.57 # hmm 02.55.05 # I have some blue chimay right now 02.55.07 # it's very good 02.55.10 # blue chaimary rocks 02.55.12 # ehh 02.55.14 # chimay 02.55.20 # god knows what happened to my fingers there 02.55.25 # it is very good 02.55.30 # the red comes in close second 02.55.40 # i had the red one in england during the summer 02.55.43 # * petur returns *triggered* 02.55.50 # it was very nice 02.55.53 # can only get the blue and white one in norway 02.55.56 # petur: by beer? 02.56.03 # I got a gift pack the other day that came with blue, red and white and a chimay glass 02.56.11 # ooh, i want a chimay glass 02.56.13 # they're nice 02.56.35 # it came with a booklet of how to pour it 02.56.43 # "it is a beer to not be drank but enjoyed" 02.56.46 # so it says 02.56.52 # i tend to do both 02.57.08 # monks make the best booze 02.57.25 # some of the best, even 02.57.31 # lostlogic: Is your scheduling patch in the tracker one that provides an immediate benefit, the description makes it sound like it's a feature more beneficial to programmers than the program, so I couldn't really tell.. 02.57.36 # i'm big on hoppy beers anyway 02.57.43 # can't get much better than india pale ale 02.57.48 # yeah that stuff is nice 02.57.53 # real IPA 02.57.59 # us style india pale ales is very nice 02.58.05 # Paul_the_Nerd: your interpretation is correct -- it should not make _any_ difference to users, only to those writing future, or working with current code that needs to boost the cpu 02.58.15 # the us style is more of a lager 02.58.28 # lostlogic: Okay, thanks. 02.58.43 # i've never really tasted a real us one, but several said to be in the style, and they're anything but lagerish 02.58.46 # duvel is another good one 02.58.47 # heh 02.58.54 # * myzar licks Paul_the_Nerd 02.58.57 # we've got to stop this talk, mouth watering 02.59.06 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 02.59.07 # ugh, I'm approaching the "walk to the beer store" point 02.59.15 # especially since i have no good beer in the house 02.59.22 # i have no beer in the house 02.59.27 # preglow: same. 02.59.32 # it's fall so all the belgian beer starts showing up in the liquor stores here 02.59.35 # so I start buying it 02.59.38 # and getting a beer at this time in norway is impossible 02.59.46 # oh? 02.59.48 # it's 3? 2? am there? 02.59.51 # 3 03.00.11 # in ontario we have to buy from government stores 03.00.13 # it sucks 03.00.23 # same here 03.00.29 # that is, the stuff over 4.7% 03.00.35 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 03.00.39 # for anything here 03.00.40 # the stuff at and below that can be bought in ordinary stores 03.00.41 # but they always keep a very good selection 03.00.41 # * petur has 2 tripel karmeliet and 2 leffe around :) 03.00.45 # if they don't have it they can order it in for you 03.00.50 # oh leffe is good too 03.00.55 # nooooooooooooooooooooooo the beer store just closed. 03.00.55 # ooooh, never har karmeliet 03.00.59 # I like the blonde better 03.01.01 # than the brown 03.01.07 # you should 03.01.08 # i think i prefer the brown 03.01.15 # hard to choose 03.01.20 # it's a macrobrew 03.01.24 # but it's still good 03.01.27 # brown is sweeter most of the time 03.01.31 # sure, but veryt tasty 03.01.39 # it's the in bottle fermentation that makes it good 03.01.54 # my wife likes brown kasteelbier (12) 03.02.08 # god damn, this does it 03.02.10 # it tastes very sweet 03.02.12 # tomorrow is beer day 03.02.17 # hahaha 03.02.34 # if I want blue chimary again 03.02.38 # I gotta buy the gift set again 03.02.50 # I can see I am going to end up with ton of glasses 03.02.56 # they only have the red one standalone in a 750ml bottle 03.02.58 # next devcon should be in Belgium :) 03.03.01 # i think i'm gonna get me an orval 03.03.04 # haven't had that for ages 03.03.23 # petur: either that or we just do the devcon in that nice swedish pub i've seen pictures of... 03.03.27 # it was very reasonable too for 3 bottles of beer and a glass 03.03.29 # about $10 USD 03.03.31 # for imports 03.03.35 # pagefault: blargh 03.03.54 # pagefault: a single bottle costs around 40 nok here, let's say six bucks 03.04.00 # what size 03.04.11 # 0.33 03.04.13 # oh crap 03.04.13 # for chimay, that is 03.04.19 # I get the huge bottle of red chimay for $6 CAD 03.04.26 # but quality beer is so expensive it's not even half funny 03.04.28 # 0.75 03.04.33 # is not huge 03.04.40 # well it's big for bottles of beer 03.04.46 # at least for here 03.04.51 # we have 1.5 and 3L bottles here too - but not all brands 03.04.59 # well we have those too 03.05.06 # but those are more malt liqour 03.05.21 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.05.23 # i haven't heard too many kind words about malt liquor 03.05.32 # you don't want to try it 03.05.39 # it's only good if you have no money and you want to get messed up 03.05.44 # well, it happens... 03.05.53 # heh 03.05.53 # I prefer to have money and enjoy the beer 03.05.53 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 03.06.39 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@76.16.18.102) 03.06.44 # absinthe is making a comeback again, we have like 5 brands now we can get 03.06.55 # is it proper, though? 03.07.06 # from the liquor store that actually contain thujone 03.07.06 # yeah, but not much, i'll wager 03.07.07 # yeah, but none i have seen is proper 03.07.19 # i would like to try the real kind sometime 03.07.24 # it's all from europe so it's probably the EU limit of thujone 03.07.28 # what with the sugar cube and all 03.07.29 # i don't care anyway, whisky's nicer than absinthe :> 03.07.40 Quit hotwire___ ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 03.07.48 # nicer? yes. more fun? no. 03.07.55 # I have the whole absinthe set 03.08.09 # when I went to england I bought back a few bottles of the real stuff 03.08.13 # it's pretty good 03.08.18 # doesn't make you hallucinate though 03.08.27 # Hi I want to install rockbox on my ipod mini, but I don't know how to convert my ipod to FAT32. I'm using Linux. 03.08.30 # there was some absinthe at last defcon, but it wasnt the real kind 03.08.39 # Cat On A Hot Tin Roof = wiskey. Ubu Roi = absinthe. 03.08.43 # this was the realest you could get at current times 03.09.03 Quit akaias (Client Quit) 03.09.06 # some scientist got an old bottle and tried to figure out what was in it 03.09.08 # and recreated it 03.09.13 # well, one guy i guess is bringing back the real stuff fter experimenting and re-evaluating the old 03.09.15 # damn you 03.09.45 # on the absinthe site where they rate all thats stuff it got a 9/1- 03.09.46 # 10 03.09.51 # * scorche hopes it isnt going to be anotother slow night.. 03.09.52 # compared to the real vintage stuff 03.10.32 # it's more fun drinking it because of the history and crap behind it 03.10.37 # and just the entire presentation of doing it 03.11.17 # I really do prefer a good beer though 03.11.22 # a good beer over anything 03.11.23 # and it's green. 03.11.32 # good beer is hard to come by though 03.11.35 # at least here 03.11.38 # it goes milky white when you add the water/sugar cube 03.11.51 # not hard to come by here 03.11.57 # hehe...im sure 03.11.57 # first usbotg test resulted in a crash :) 03.11.58 # it's just so bloody expensive 03.12.02 # and the selection is poor 03.12.16 # domestic is $1/bottle here 03.12.19 # and it's pretty ok stuff 03.12.23 # * petur heads off to bed 03.12.26 # mostly all lager though 03.12.28 # i have never been a fan of domestic 03.12.30 Quit petur ("Zzzzzz") 03.12.32 # pagefault: same here 03.12.47 # pagefault: domestic is probably around a bit lower than 2$ for 0.33 03.12.51 # if I had money I would open a brewery and make it belgian style 03.12.57 # pagefault: and it's almost exclusively bland pilsner like lager 03.13.14 # yeah 03.13.15 # pretty much 03.13.17 # swill 03.13.28 # people will buy whatever's cheap 03.13.31 # swill 03.13.35 # it's the proper term I call it 03.13.36 # people love binge drinking over here 03.13.46 # my friend loves it 03.13.49 # I give him chimay 03.13.56 # "it's to fucking bitter and tastes awful" 03.13.58 # I want to slap him 03.13.59 # nationaheh 03.14.04 # heh <- 03.14.14 # yes, yes 03.14.18 # i've pretty much managed to infect all my friends with beer enthusiasm 03.14.22 # so it's not much of a problem 03.14.29 # i'm trying to do that to people 03.14.32 # i say we all go and read up on ATA changes in the new 5.5g iPods! 03.14.38 # you wouldn't eat a grade B steak 03.14.38 # * myzar hi5s scorche 03.14.42 # anywho, there's popped up a couple of very decent micros here now 03.14.43 # why would you drink a grade B beer 03.14.46 # so things are stoarting to look better 03.15.03 # * scorche glances quizzically at myzar 03.15.10 # because grade b beer is cheap 03.15.15 # grade b steak is sold for the same price 03.15.17 # :\ 03.15.29 # well here the difference isn't that much 03.15.35 # if it means I pay 50 cents more for a way better beer 03.15.38 # then I will pay for it 03.15.50 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@pool-71-96-116-119.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.16.01 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.16.03 # but it adds up the more you drink 03.16.12 # yeah but it's enjoyment 03.16.17 Part Paul_the_Nerd 03.16.34 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 03.16.38 # i'd never take the good stuff to a party 03.16.43 # thats for my personal stash 03.16.46 # hella yes 03.16.54 # but anywho 03.17.02 # i need to try sleep before i cough myself to death 03.17.04 # later, all 03.17.08 # night 03.20.10 Join Charlie [0] (n=charlie@r201-217-144-182.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 03.20.24 Quit ebel ("Leaving") 03.20.53 Quit Charlie (Client Quit) 03.21.47 Join CH_ [0] (n=charlie@r201-217-144-182.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 03.23.41 # hello 03.39.35 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 03.43.20 Quit CH_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.48.13 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-16-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 03.48.27 Part nave7693 03.51.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.51.53 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-171.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 03.51.55 # I have had a go at getting a patch using the instructions here using the diff command in vmware. I guess I should be doing it differently as I am just getting a file called patch with no extension, and it just contains the old file and new file pasted together. 03.52.38 # are u using cvs diff -u > outfile.patch? 03.52.40 # you mean creating a patch? 03.52.47 # I am using the command upe. 03.53.03 # use what JdGordon said 03.53.11 # I was using diff -u oldfile newfile > patch 03.54.52 # I get the following 03.55.01 Join CH_ [0] (n=charlie@r201-217-154-160.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 03.55.18 # cvs diff: I know nothing about metronome.patch. 03.56.02 # right, have seen my problem, no pipe 03.57.37 Quit sucka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.58.13 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 03.58.34 # Aw... No updates today. 03.58.42 # So, anything new? 03.58.59 # Do you guys still need battery_bench data for H10s? 03.59.06 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 04.00.05 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.00.16 # no, but 04.00.29 # i want YOU to investigate ATA differences between the 30 and 80 gig iPod 5.5gs 04.00.35 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 04.02.14 # Huh? 04.02.14 # o_O 04.03.24 # Wow, 80 GB. 04.03.28 # That's monstrously huge. 04.03.45 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC") 04.04.00 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.04.09 # Got disconnected. 04.04.12 # Anyways... 04.04.13 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.04.13 # 80 GB. 04.04.16 # That's huge.... 04.04.29 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 04.06.01 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.06.21 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p5498645F.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.09.51 # Hello people, sorry to interrupt 04.10.07 # thanks guys, working now, and patch added :) my first 04.11.42 # Patch for what? 04.12.24 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.12.43 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2439ad5d31db0a10) 04.12.53 # Hi CH_: 04.12.54 # So. 04.12.56 # What's the patch for? 04.13.21 # TB go to the patches page, and sort it by date, it is the most recent one. 04.13.25 # nothing you have been bugging us about.. 04.13.28 # Hi. I have this problem with rockbox on my ipod color. 04.13.41 # Thanks for that scorche. 04.13.52 # BTW, add Rockboy for the H10 to the lists of things I bug you guys about. 04.13.53 # you're welcome! =) 04.13.54 # :) 04.13.59 # Lol. 04.13.59 # ugh 04.14.23 # Rockboy Advance would be even better. 04.14.31 # that is impossible 04.14.49 # Why? 04.15.04 # Also, how do I apply a .patch? 04.15.07 # I can't figure it out. 04.15.09 # well, for one, it has a faster processor than most of our devices 04.15.17 # What has a faster processor? 04.15.19 # The GBA? 04.15.21 # go to the SimpleGuideToCompiling page 04.15.24 # scorche, can you think of any plugins or patches that get a sound file (like an mp3 or ogg file) and play it back with the plugin? 04.15.24 # yes 04.15.25 # there is a simple guide to compiling in the wiki, and a whole forum dedicated to it. 04.15.34 # I am wanting to write an ABX plugin 04.15.46 # TerrorByte - you need ~ 10x the processing power to emmulate. 04.16.17 # not even mentiuoning all the hardware acceleration that the GBA has that ipods dont 04.16.17 # I see. 04.16.28 # Ah. 04.16.31 # Alright. 04.16.32 # andrewmel - an ABX pluggin should be decoding both the files to .wav (or such) anyways first and normalizing the files so volume doesn't play a role. 04.16.52 # * scorche is having a slow day again.. 04.17.12 # Well I'm off. 04.17.16 # Soap, I understand why the volume should be the same, but why convert to .wav 04.17.19 # Sleepy getting, I am. 04.17.24 # * scorche gets out the fireworks 04.17.35 # Wait, I'm not leaving. 04.17.44 # And it's just cause of that ^^ 04.17.48 # * scorche puts them away again and frowns 04.17.58 # LOL. 04.18.02 # * andrewmel roflmao 04.18.11 # *hao 04.18.17 # andrewmel - to remove all sources of possible interferance. You want the files to playback in as identical a way as possible, why wav I actually can't say when challeneged, every ABX program I've used does it. 04.18.33 # Yeah I think I will leave. 04.18.41 # I haven't bothered you guys nearly enough today.. 04.18.44 # There's always tomorrow though. 04.18.46 # hmmm, I didnt know that. So foobar encodes as .wav? 04.18.53 # * TerrorByte bids adieu 04.18.58 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC") 04.19.03 # scorche 04.19.09 # myzar 04.19.18 # get out your top secret 5.5g WIP code instead 04.19.20 # that'll scare em off 04.19.24 # better yet, upload it 04.19.26 # that'll show em 04.19.39 # andrewmel - foobar decodes both the files first. 04.19.53 # that would take some time on a dap wouldnt it? 04.20.06 # It might be best if that is predone on a pc first 04.20.25 # why would it take longer than playing? 04.20.38 # it would take less than playing if you think about it. 04.21.13 # Still that would be 4 minutes (or so) to do two versions of a 3 minute song.... 04.22.53 # true 04.22.59 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 04.23.10 # I'm going to try and figure out why foobar decodes the files first. 04.24.51 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 04.25.07 Join SereRokR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea7eb.e.strato-dslnet.de) 04.26.47 Quit CH_ ("Leaving") 04.31.20 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 04.32.27 Quit SereR0kR (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.37.11 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-159-214.dyn-dsl.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 04.37.48 Quit dj-fu (Client Quit) 04.40.52 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 04.43.55 Join Evaso2 [0] (n=Marem@host125-228-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 04.44.55 # What about open a boinc clustering project for attack ipod 2g firmware encryption? 04.45.37 # what about it? 04.47.02 Join ruisu_ [0] (n=ruisu@red-corp-201.143.249.7.telnor.net) 04.53.41 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 04.55.02 # JdGordon: a sort of distribute cluster elaboration (like a supercomputer composed by idle time of pc) 04.55.28 # yeah, i know what boinc is... what about it? 04.55.33 # whats the point? 04.55.51 # oh ipod 2g.. not ipod nano 2g 04.56.14 # ipod nano 2nd generation 04.57.17 # well then like i was abot to say... there is more to the port than figuring out the encyrption 04.57.36 # I don't believe anyone is at the point where brute forcing the key is what is needed. 04.58.13 # JdGordon yes but crack the encryption could let disassemble the firmware 04.58.33 # which is not needed unitll we know what hardware is used.. and other stuff 04.59.05 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 04.59.32 # well so decrypting is not a priority now.. good to know :) 05.00.10 Quit RoC_MM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.00.34 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 05.08.11 Quit Evaso2 ("Client exiting") 05.10.22 Quit ruisu_ (Remote closed the connection) 05.24.43 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 05.25.25 # jhMikeS: I just got back from doing some tests. 05.26.05 # Optical input :: 16bit :: Stereo :: Verious Samplerates 36kHz and up/ 05.26.32 # everything seems to work, but I think we need some error handling. 05.29.02 # Davide-NYC: If everything works then how did you come accross the need to handle errors? 05.30.08 # Maybe I misspoke. 05.30.33 # unmisspeak then! ;) 05.30.55 # Hold on, let me listen back again. 05.31.08 # I'm not sure what happens when SR change on the fly 05.31.21 # But I have 96kHz confirmed working! 05.31.27 # w00t! 05.31.34 # you are amazing 05.31.36 # Once you're recording it'll keep on truckin' thinking it's the old rate 05.31.47 # gracias :) 05.32.07 # It should check every second or so that the SR is the same. 05.32.24 # Or maybe that's unnecessary 05.32.46 # And do what? It'll have to file split. The only rate recomfirmation is when actually beginning a new recording, not file splits. 05.33.13 # yeah it just does a massive 'pitch shift' 05.33.23 # it shoudl split the files. 05.33.42 # but it doesn't have to all that precise, it would just be emergency handling. 05.33.42 # Exactly what I'd expect really, and your recording time should increment differently too. 05.34.33 # I think it could be more accurate than a second. Like .1s and not burden things much. 05.34.43 # you know what. 05.34.50 # si? 05.34.54 # couldn;t the file be corrected afterward in post? 05.35.05 # Sure 05.35.06 # split the file and change the SR header 05.35.11 # yes 05.35.12 # so then forget it. 05.35.19 # garbage in = garbage outr 05.35.24 # ;-) 05.35.44 # If you stop recording and restart it will pick up the new rate too. 05.35.46 # I have one small request 05.35.49 # ok 05.36.08 # the settings should change on setting menu exit not on return to WRS 05.37.07 # I don't understand that. The settings are changed on settings menu exit. The settings are applied on return to WRS. 05.37.30 # OK sorry. They should apply on setting menu exit then. 05.37.51 # and the recording menu statusbar should display this change right away as well. 05.37.56 # It's easier that way really. I think HWCODEC does it that way but I actually removed that for SWCODEC because it was a bad thing to do. It may not be any longer. 05.38.23 # Last I checked it did as soon as the setting changed because it picks it up from global_settings. 05.39.52 # Yeah, I've have close to 10 beers today so I apologize in advance 05.40.06 # It seems to work the way I want it to. 05.40.17 # that alright 05.40.26 # We should poll for SR changes and filesplit if necessary. 05.40.41 # Refining should be easy once the base in in place 05.40.51 # I can't believe this thing is gonna take 88.2kHz and 86kHz. 05.40.59 # So awesome. 05.41.16 # I'm gonna buy me one if those external pre-amps. 05.41.26 Quit Rondom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.41.42 # *96kHz 05.41.46 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF996.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.41.50 # I think sample depth should be worked on as I see (and hear) more value in higher bit depths than sample rates really. 05.42.25 Nick plus_M is now known as plus_M|asleep (n=nyoro@24-179-151-109.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) 05.42.45 # yeah. I am a fan of 24bit 88.2kHz as a recording format. It just sounds 'correct' to me. 05.43.48 # where'd you get those spdif cables with the mini toslink adapters? 05.47.30 # eBay 05.48.14 # ahh...sounds like exactly the kind of thing I need. know who makes them? 05.50.36 # hold on I find a link 05.50.42 Join nick89 [0] (n=nick89@c210-49-99-250.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 05.51.05 # http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=mini-toslink+toslink&category0= 05.51.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.54.23 # I thought your said the ones you have actually have the snap on mini adapters at the ends do that all combos are possible. 05.55.23 # that was Pail 05.55.25 # *paul 05.55.43 # I would buy those if I could find them 05.55.46 # oh... 05.56.28 Quit plus_M|asleep ("Leaving") 05.56.40 # http://cgi.ebay.com/PHILIPS-6-TOSLINK-OPTICAL-CABLE-W-MINI-ADAPTERS-SAVE_W0QQitemZ220040757171QQihZ012QQcategoryZ64594QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 05.56.43 # POW! 05.57.07 # just search for toslink adapter 05.57.13 # all sorts of results 05.57.43 # adapters are easy but a cable that just comes with them seems rate 05.57.46 # rare even 05.58.20 # I just saw something kinda funny...gold plated connectors on a toslink optical cable for maximum signal tranfer! :D 05.58.39 # hahah 05.58.51 # It was at the Fry's electronics place 05.59.04 # Did you see my menu idea in the frum>? 05.59.07 # *forum 05.59.19 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 05.59.46 # Not since the last. Is it a new one? 05.59.59 # if i have two copies of the same music, one as flac, one as mp3, is there any way to make sure the tag-cache picks up the flac copy? it's picking up the mp3 one and ignoring the flac copy 06.00.25 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7118.msg55863#msg55863 06.00.43 Join [H5N1] [0] (i=mrflu@laggy.us) 06.01.02 # I also may have upset a guy with my rant. 06.01.11 # *or comment, as it where. 06.01.29 # shit I'm gonna just do a but it now on two of those 06.01.52 # $3.33 a piece. I can't really lose on that. 06.02.05 # Hold on...gotta hit ebay real quick :) 06.04.06 # hope my connection doesn't bomb out now 06.05.47 Quit nick89 ("Gotta Go") 06.05.49 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.07.57 # I like a more functionally grouped menu myself. 06.08.04 # Like that 06.09.48 # Why shouldn't AGC clip time be under automatic gain control? Like AGC->AGC Enabled/AGC Clip time. 06.09.58 # Or whatever is there 06.10.16 # hmm, that works for me 06.10.39 # I just think the relatively rarely changed settings sould be un a sub-menu forever untouched 06.10.45 # :-) 06.11.00 # what about source dependant settings? 06.11.11 # that would be glorious 06.11.28 # and two other nagging little things: 06.11.39 # 1. the sxource should displayed somehow on the WRS 06.11.58 # 2. User selectable recording directory. 06.12.26 # (that stays the same until a user wants to change it) 06.12.34 # *source 06.12.52 # * Davide-NYC must learn to type while drunk one of these days 06.14.43 # jhMikeS: I have to go to sleep now. Send me an email if you want me to do anything with regard to this. 06.14.55 # I'm willing to do some work tomorrow night. 06.15.00 # hmm, guess the answer to my question is a no then. oh well. annoying, but guess can live with it 06.15.15 # huh> 06.15.19 # ? 06.15.45 # see ya 06.15.47 # are you referring to me? 06.15.51 # ls 06.15.53 # ups 06.15.56 # easy 06.16.03 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 06.16.04 # got a few of those 06.18.04 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.34.07 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 06.35.12 Quit [H5N1] (Remote closed the connection) 06.42.53 Quit funky ("leaving") 06.46.27 Join Teknomancer [0] (n=Teknoman@125.22.146.5) 06.46.46 Nick Teknomancer is now known as Ramshankar (n=Teknoman@125.22.146.5) 06.47.44 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 06.49.41 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.50.53 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.54.53 Join webguest50 [0] (i=d8b1a330@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 06.55.13 # anybody here? 06.55.36 # i need help concerning da 5g ipod with rockbox 06.56.02 # well, i see 113 users in the channel... 06.56.46 # really ur smart...so can anybody help? 06.57.09 # no one can help you with a question you have not asked 06.57.50 # well does the current rockbox play any kinda of video and if so how 06.58.08 # yes it does...it is a work in progress 06.58.16 # see the wiki page PluginMpegplayer 06.58.47 # ok thanx 07.00.22 Join EnterUserName [0] (n=dave@pdpc/supporter/student/GeekZoid) 07.00.23 # hi all 07.00.43 # whats better of rockbox compared to the software that apple ipod software has for first generation nano? 07.01.03 # im just curious 07.01.05 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 07.01.05 # see the wiki page WhyRockbox =) 07.01.22 # for that plugin wuld u be able to give me a link? 07.01.39 # a link to what? 07.01.49 # woah 07.01.51 # you got bubbles!! 07.01.56 Nick JoeBorn is now known as JB_Off (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 07.02.09 # how do you know ify our nano is first generation 07.02.11 # im prettysure mine is :) 07.02.31 # white or black plastic front, shiny metal back 07.02.32 # to download the plugin 07.02.33 # drop it from 9ft, if it breaks it is... 07.02.41 # huh 07.03.04 # ? 07.03.04 # yup thats what i got 07.03.04 # whats the second generation 07.03.04 # webguest50: all plugins come with rockbox 07.03.25 # multi colored and all metal 07.03.30 # ...and drops from 1 foot 07.03.31 Quit lex (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.03.49 # well the new nano is less sturdy then the old one/ 07.03.56 # from one test, yes 07.04.00 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 07.04.13 # I can't find the why rockbox 07.04.15 # im on the wiki 07.04.24 # but playing bubbles would be fun :) 07.04.37 # enterusername, it is a link on the front page of rockbox.org 07.04.55 # to get to a specific wiki page, type it into the box at the top 07.05.01 # from the wiki of course 07.05.09 # i got it 07.05.23 # The thing i do like about ipods software is that it looks nice... 07.05.41 # you can make rockbox look however you want it to 07.05.48 # oh does it support podcasts/ 07.05.54 # go to the WPSGallery 07.06.11 # ok what i mean is that i just tonight installed the mostcurrent rockbox 4 5g video ipod how can i play video on it, is it capable at this point? 07.06.13 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-68-88-136-133.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.06.15 # podcasts are just audio files...what do you mean? 07.06.27 # oh hrm.. 07.06.31 # does it work with amarok? 07.06.39 # webguest50: read the wiki page that i gave to you 07.06.51 # you dont need it 07.07.06 # huh? 07.07.07 # it uses a file structure so you can just drag and drop 07.07.15 # ... 07.07.15 # hmm 07.07.25 # * EnterUserName ponders, to do it or not to :) 07.07.37 # i had ipodlinux 07.07.39 # i wasn't too impressed 07.07.46 # That's because it sucks :) 07.07.57 # we have a different philosophy than them 07.08.00 # well i'll give it a shot and try it out :) 07.08.04 # whats your philosphy.. heh 07.08.19 Join lex [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 07.08.24 # im trying to find your gallery 07.08.24 # Replacement firmware, it should be able to do most (if not all) of the things of the original firmware, and more 07.08.25 # we are more centered on getting the best audio quality/features you can 07.08.32 # flac is nice 07.08.39 # ive been convertign them to mp3s 07.08.41 # :( 07.08.47 Join webguest98 [0] (i=d8b1a330@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8e9310b9802747e8) 07.09.50 # ok sorry got disconnected so this is me da "i need help with the video issue wit 5g ipod guy" 07.09.58 # wheres the gallery! i cant fin dit. 07.10.07 # EnterUserName: Gallery for what? 07.10.13 # nevermind foudn it 07.10.14 # WPS 07.10.19 # ;) 07.10.38 # while playin screen? 07.10.55 # that is what it stands for, yes 07.11.07 # wow nice 07.11.23 # lol 07.11.30 # ya a naked girl on my ipod while listening to music ha haha 07.11.46 # well, you can change anything you want 07.11.48 # Eye and ear candy. 07.11.56 # even make your own if you wish 07.11.59 # im being sarcastic but hey u got one on there :) 07.12.22 # ok 07.12.24 # im gunna try it out 07.12.30 # i'll let u know if i buy :) 07.12.38 # i do like using it with amarok though :( 07.12.41 Quit webguest50 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.12.42 # ...yea but i want some video playback like mpeg or mp4 07.12.54 # webguest98: Then wait. 07.12.56 # you can use amarok if you wish...just saying you dont have to anymore 07.13.19 # webguest98: i told you...it is a work in progress....and it does play mpeg ;) 07.13.20 # well it keeps track of how many times il istento songs and stuff 07.13.32 # lets see how to instal it 07.13.35 # it can through runtimeDB 07.13.38 # see the manual 07.13.45 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 07.13.55 # can u watch videos with nano? 07.14.02 # or just music 07.14.13 # yes, but our video player is still a work in progress 07.14.19 # oh ok 07.14.24 Join hc1 [0] (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 07.14.26 # what codecs same problem with linuxonipod? 07.14.36 # what problem? 07.14.40 # huge AVI files 07.14.44 Quit hcs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.14.46 # so i can only watch 15 minute clips 07.14.48 # on 4 gigs 07.14.52 Join Eve [0] (n=after@unaffiliated/nautica) 07.14.52 Nick hc1 is now known as hcs (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 07.14.58 # not quite 07.15.04 # how much is a 2 hour clip? 07.15.17 # trust me...it isnt worth watching videos on it yet 07.15.36 # oh ok 07.15.43 # So do i download the old link? 07.16.06 # the manual tells you everything that you need to do 07.16.15 # ok on it. 07.16.20 Part Eve 07.16.38 # scorche ur mainly runnin dis b***h arnt u 07.16.53 # webguest98: uhhh...what? 07.16.53 # r u a developer? 07.17.10 # speak english please 07.17.19 # "are" "you" "this" etc 07.17.25 # ;) 07.17.55 # i am not a developer, but i am involved with the project 07.17.56 # ARE YOU running THIS bitch... :) 07.18.01 # does anyone know if parts of the target drivers can be moved to target-tree without breaking the build? i.e only move the button driver? 07.19.12 # well... 07.19.27 # oh wow same instructions on linux for ipod :) 07.19.39 # JdGordon: might have to wait a few hours before asking... 07.19.50 # yeah, thats what i was thinking :p 07.19.53 Join jdhoreotg [0] (i=UPP@pool-71-255-246-136.washdc.east.verizon.net) 07.20.05 # 7.20am in sweden.. sunday morning.. 07.20.08 # wow...a lot of people here 07.20.14 # so quite a few hiurs i would think 07.20.21 # and they usually show up later on weekends... 07.20.24 # its 1:20am 07.20.24 # here 07.20.25 # juz wondering y is there a broadcom chip inside my ipod??? :^x 07.20.39 # uh...because apple wanted to put one in there? 07.20.51 Join webguest92 [0] (i=d8b1a330@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-418f87419aeaf3f4) 07.21.23 # hrm 07.21.30 # i have a quick RockBox question: is there currently (official or unofficial) or will there ever be a Windows installer for iPod RockBox? 07.21.39 # isn't there one/ 07.21.51 # so who would be the rockbox genius in the house? 07.21.57 # i didn't think so 07.22.02 # jdhoreotg: there is an unofficial one 07.22.13 # can ya link me? 07.22.16 # but i cant verify how well it works etc 07.22.20 # Well, it depends on what player you have. 07.22.23 # i got that... 07.22.26 # search for "rockbox installer" on the forunms 07.22.58 # webguest92: we all are on different topics... 07.23.45 # hmm...WTF...the forums are lagging like crazy for me... 07.24.43 # well i juz wanna learn how to modify rockbox to the max... only lil trick ive learned on my own is to open the wps bitmap file and instaed of the rockbox logo it has my initials... simple though 07.25.21 # you can modify it anyway you want...it is open source 07.25.28 Quit webguest98 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.25.30 # true... 07.25.33 # for learning stuff like that, i'd start messing around with the firmware/os and just have fun and if you mess it up, you mess it up 07.25.59 Quit Ramshankar ("Vision[1.2.0-Z-12102006]: i've been blurred!") 07.26.42 # by "messin up" can it b permanant? cause i mean its just software u can always reload the os right? 07.26.54 # oh...sweet...i'd start messing with my iPod, but i only have one and i live on the freaking thing so i'd prolly cry if i bricked it 07.27.11 # ok 07.27.15 # could be permanent...but 99.9% of the time, it wouldn't be 07.27.15 # hows the daily build everyone :) 07.27.20 # since there is no darn stable build :) 07.27.52 # jdhoreotg: On the iPod you can't really permanently mess it up. 07.27.57 # any body know any forums like this for the psp? 07.28.09 # or "chat" i mean 07.28.13 # Hey all 07.28.17 # webguest92: #psp? 07.28.19 # ya ive screwed my ipod plenty of times using ipodforlinux 07.28.22 # google: "psp irc" 07.28.23 # :p 07.28.37 # ok.. whcih build should i use is todays build ok? 07.28.42 # hehe...thank god for accidental insurance 07.28.55 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 07.29.02 Quit FOAD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.29.20 # actually, they are usually void when you put 3rd party firmwares on them...if they detect it of course 07.29.28 # oh lol 07.29.34 # well futureshop wont know 07.29.36 # :p 07.29.44 # yes, this is why i get mine replaced at Apple stores... 07.30.04 # what? 07.30.13 # i got mine at futureshop 07.30.15 # cuz they don't know... 07.30.19 # i'm pretty sure my 2 year warranties 07.30.21 # i got mine from Apple 07.30.23 # they wouldn't know either :) 07.30.54 # hrm either way ive killed my ipod a few times 07.31.00 # and i was able to get it working again 07.31.04 # psp irc is for the psp...dont feel like doin that any regular chats? 07.31.15 # webguest92: how would we know? 07.31.31 # and you asked for the psp.. 07.31.32 # yea... 07.32.00 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.32.39 # >>>>> 07.32.43 # ? 07.32.45 # > 07.32.53 Quit webguest92 ("CGI:IRC") 07.32.59 Join webguest82 [0] (i=d8b1a330@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 07.33.13 # just Download mIRC...it's that freaking easy...most IRC's don't have java chat 07.33.58 # ...or any other irc client provided you arent limited by firewalls, etc 07.34.04 # woo hoo 07.34.07 # lets see if i broke my ipod 07.35.14 # lol 07.35.18 # well that kinda sucks 07.35.33 # i cant use mya lready playlist.. starts reading the manual on increasing the fotn size 07.35.50 # ...huh? 07.36.03 # i got this crappy text stuff :p 07.36.08 # it's weird...i see all these things making me want to put RockBox on my iPod, but i'm just too afraid... 07.36.36 # I just did 07.36.40 # jdhoreotg: there is nothing to be afraid of 07.36.41 # i cant seem to figure out how to play musc lol 07.36.51 # jdhoreotg: Why are you afraid? 07.37.07 # EnterUserName: read the manual... 07.37.11 # afraid of what? 07.37.19 # shouldn't be afraid jdhoreotg you really acnt break it 07.37.24 # that's part of what i'm afraid of...also...it will probably take me a LONG time to backup all my music 07.37.31 # oh 07.37.31 # lol 07.37.34 # i just have 4 gigs 07.37.42 # i have about 17gb 07.37.45 # and everythings on my hd.. so i guess i can see why u worry 07.38.10 # apple sux they need to maximize and make da shit simple they wuld make alot more money if it was easier to put shit on the ipod 07.38.13 # jdhoreotg: provided you follow the instructions, you dont need to back up your music 07.38.18 # also, about 70% of my music is encoded at AAC 160kbps which it seems like rockbox doesn't fully support... 07.38.21 # although it is always a good idea to have a backup 07.38.49 # well...i do have a backup, but it's in about 17 different folders on one of my HD's 07.40.02 # i'm very seriously considering it now...is there anything i can do about my 160kbps AAC library or am i screwed on that one unless i reencode all of it? 07.40.13 # hrm 07.40.24 # there is no file browser.. 07.40.41 # EnterUserName: ? 07.40.47 # The first thing you see upon booting Rockbox is the file browser... 07.40.57 # well i see root 07.41.06 # jdhoreotg: how did you encode it? 07.41.13 # EnterUserName: that is the file browser 07.41.20 # thats what i thought 07.41.20 # with iTunes' encoder 07.42.11 # you *should* be fine then 07.42.20 # me? 07.42.31 # yes 07.42.45 # anybody know any psp hacks? 07.42.54 # is there anyone to use my apple firmware playlsit with this? 07.43.03 # webguest82: this isnt a psp channel... 07.43.19 # EnterUserName: what do you mean? 07.43.19 # yea but same concept homie 07.43.24 # scorche: it is now 07.43.32 # daurn|laptop: shoo 07.43.36 # webguest82: A) It's not the same concept. B) Even if it were, this channel is about Rockbox, not about any given concept. 07.43.36 # yea :) 07.43.37 # webguest82: yes 07.43.39 # I wannt to use the playlist i made with my ipod 07.44.07 # woot, h300 button code is in target tree and still works :D 07.44.10 # EnterUserName: is it in m3u format? 07.44.18 # hrm 07.44.21 # dunno i made it in amarok 07.44.33 # so im guessing its ituens format 07.44.41 # well, at least, the filename should end in .m3u 07.45.00 # 3 final questions and i'll stop being annoying: 1. i assume all my MP3's encoded at random (but normal) bitrates will work OK... 2. from what you've heard of/seen about the Windows GUI installer, will it require me to reformat my iPod? 3. how do i drop back into Apple firmware if i'm in Rockbox? 07.45.05 # scorche: It's probably just a playlist within the iTunesDB. There was a plugin to convert those at a point. 07.45.25 # jdhoreotg: 1) Yes, 2) No, 3) Hold menu while booting 07.45.53 # ok, with #2 have you used it or are you just assuming? 07.46.03 # Paul_the_Nerd: eh...i wouldnt know....m3u would tell you a lot.. 07.46.16 # ok just stole one and the stupid people have the latest firm on it any help on how to take it bak to 1.5 07.46.19 # ok just stole one and the stupid people have the latest firm on it any help on how to take it bak to 1.5 07.46.22 # scorche: I don't believe they're actually files. 07.46.30 # webguest82: whats it on now? 07.46.36 # jdhoreotg: if it does (which there is no reason to), it should tell you 07.46.43 # Paul_the_Nerd: ah 07.46.47 # webguest82: A) Please do not discuss illegal activities in this channel. B) This is NOT A PSP CHANNEL 07.46.49 # thank you 07.46.57 # daurn|laptop: Do not encourage him. 07.46.57 # Paul_the_Nerd: its ont illegel 07.47.04 # daurn|laptop: He just said he stole one. 07.47.09 # at 2.71 07.47.26 # Paul_the_Nerd: i'm no talking about that though 07.47.36 # Why are you even talking here 07.47.37 # (webguest82): if you continue discussing illegal activities, i will have one of the Freenode admins server ban you 07.47.38 # webguest82: grab downgrader and run it 07.48.01 # * scorche sighs 07.48.13 # daurn|laptop: Also, take your discussion with him to PMs please 07.48.27 # ok i found it... :) 07.50.34 # or, since he is on CGI:IRC, tell him to go into a different channel that you are on 07.51.06 # Question: How do i find the tag cache option in the menu 07.51.10 # cant seem to find it from the manual 07.51.20 # wats the beef about? were all in this together right? ;^x 07.51.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.52.08 # webguest82: i dont know what you refer to as "this", but "we" probably are not 07.52.21 # found it 07.52.22 # no, THIS IS NOT A PSP CHANNEL! WHEN WILL YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NOOB! 07.52.36 # jdhoreotg: namecalling doesnt help 07.53.09 # noob? wow u cool... 07.53.11 # hi.. rockbox on h10 wont show music folders 07.53.14 # i know...people like him just piss me off to no end...i apologize to everyone except webguest82 07.53.19 # on the first screen 07.54.32 # YouCeyE: And you're sure those folders aren't marked as hidden by your filesystem? 07.54.50 # one of the main concepts in here is that were all trying to modify electronics... aint lookin 4 trouble so chill 07.54.56 # Paul_the_Nerd, may be.. 07.55.01 # webguest82: No, the ONLY concept in here is discussion of Rockbox. 07.55.05 # Paul_the_Nerd, how can i unhide it in linux? 07.55.32 # YouCeyE: I'm honestly not really sure. 07.55.38 # if your looking for electronice stuff, please use google... 07.55.48 # in windows i think they show up as hidden 07.55.51 # daurn|laptop appreciate the help it worked 07.56.14 # YouCeyE: Then either change Rockbox to view All instead of Music or Supported, or unhide the folders, and you should be fine 07.56.34 Quit Bagder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.56.38 Join Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 07.56.53 # Paul_the_Nerd, i just did view all for now 07.57.08 # YouCeyE: chattr? 07.57.36 # sorry scorche, what is chattr? 07.57.37 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@nat01-silvers-ext.Rutgers.EDU) 07.57.46 # YouCeyE: a linux command 07.57.58 # i am getting some pauses when i am playing a single file.. 07.58.05 # ...to change file attributes 07.58.13 # it plays for 5 secs pauses and resumes in 2 secs 07.58.20 # thanks scorche 07.58.29 # do you have the eq or crossfade on? 07.58.47 # how shld i check it? 07.58.59 # from the menu options 07.59.11 # nope 07.59.21 # what files are these? 07.59.45 # in terms of format, bitrate, etc 07.59.52 # ok, i'll be back 07.59.56 # also, what wps are you using? 08.00.07 # daurn|laptop u still in here? 08.00.19 # scorche, vbr mp3 files 08.00.26 # webguest82: if the question is anything about the psp, dont ask it 08.00.41 # 249k bit avg 08.00.55 Part jdhoreotg 08.00.56 # wps is default 08.00.59 # no its about yo mama nigga 08.00.59 # YouCeyE: are you using an official build? 08.01.07 # i just loaded rockbox on h10 08.01.23 # when i go to root it automatically loads the songs 08.01.23 Quit webguest82 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.01.24 # just got the latest cvs build 08.01.24 # webguest82: that kind of language is not accepted here 08.01.25 # i cant get to a browser 08.01.37 Quit SereRokR () 08.02.00 # EnterUserName: what do you mean?...like Paul_the_Nerd said, the browser is the first screen you see 08.02.11 # These are the options i see 08.02.22 # Calenders/Contacts/Notees/pLaylist/ 08.02.28 # yeah 08.02.29 Join webguest83 [0] (i=d8b1a330@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0fed355da81a353f) 08.02.33 # those are folders from the apple OS 08.02.36 # hello guys 08.03.12 # ok 08.03.18 # I wanna see my files 08.03.19 # EnterUserName: your music is still arranged the itunes way...check the manual for instructions on using tagcache, and use that 08.03.19 # scorche, more pauses :( 08.03.29 # yes i just turned on tag cache 08.03.34 # hrm 08.03.39 # but it still says root 08.04.03 # then you are not viewing the tagcache tree 08.04.18 # change your view mode to tagcache 08.04.22 Quit webguest83 (Client Quit) 08.04.45 # YouCeyE: does this happen on every file, or just this one 08.04.54 # scorche, looks like its pausing when loading file.. 08.04.58 # happening for every file 08.05.10 # it is pausing in between 08.05.15 # file is less than 10 mb 08.05.15 # and you are sure that you dont have the eq or crossfade on 08.05.20 # yes 08.05.23 # just checked 08.05.28 # darn it crashed again 08.05.36 Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.bredband.comhem.se) 08.05.43 # i think it is not loading the whole file at once 08.05.45 Join NRH [0] (i=d8b1a330@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 08.05.58 # wait...in between files or while playing the file itself 08.06.07 # playing file itself 08.06.24 # you can check in the audio thread option in the debug menu 08.06.45 # Scorche: i get into the general settings adn its crashing 08.06.48 # me? 08.06.51 # is it possible oct 27 build sux. 08.06.53 # ;) 08.06.57 # YouCeyE: yes 08.07.08 # EnterUserName: what do you mean "crashing"? 08.07.12 # its frozen 08.07.18 # i cant do anythign with it 08.07.25 # andi have to do a hard reset 08.08.03 # so pusing buttons and/or scrolling does not work? 08.08.10 # s/pusing/pushing 08.08.13 # nope 08.08.19 # nothing 08.08.30 # i have to hard reset it 08.08.41 # odd...try an earlier build 08.09.07 # take apart and disconnect battery if the menu+select does not work 08.09.14 # lol 08.09.20 # no i dont think i'll do that 08.09.26 # menu select works 08.09.28 # NRH: that is practically never necessary 08.09.32 # * EnterUserName nods to scorche 08.09.34 # scorche, how do i get to debug menu? 08.09.38 # sigh 08.10.07 # YouCeyE: menu > info > debug menu > audio thread 08.10.56 # sorry for asking.. how do i get to main menu on h10? 08.11.03 # what button while playing a song 08.11.06 # i dont know...check the manual 08.12.01 # how do i get to the file browser 08.12.03 # from the main menu :S 08.12.23 # EnterUserName: hit the menu button again 08.12.33 Join jdhoreotg [0] (i=UPP@pool-71-255-246-136.washdc.east.verizon.net) 08.12.40 # there we go.. 08.12.46 # how do i reboot the iPod when i'm in RockBox? 08.13.03 # same as usual i guess 08.13.13 # jdhoreotg: hold play to shut it down...reboot is the same way in apple os 08.13.25 # hrm my podcasts arent showing op 08.13.27 # there ya go 08.13.44 # pod casts...not capable 08.13.55 # see 08.13.56 # NRH: they are just audio files... 08.13.59 # darn ;( 08.14.27 # oic 08.14.32 # how do i get to them :S 08.14.32 # scorche, doesnt work 08.14.35 # EnterUserName: i dont know/where itunes stores them...i would suggest just loading them on there by dragging and dropping 08.14.41 # its says long next for entering main menu 08.14.45 # haha!!!!! EVERYTHING WORKS!!! EVERYTHING WORKS!!! 08.14.51 # but it goes to context menu first 08.14.53 # I LOVE YOU AL 08.15.00 # *ALL 08.15.08 # * jdhoreotg hugs everyone in channel 08.15.37 # ok... 08.16.10 # YouCeyE: are you sure you are reading the manual right? (i cant check as i am haivng connection issues 08.16.31 # sotty, i'm just uber happy/excited 08.16.34 # *sorrt 08.16.37 # *sorry 08.17.07 # hrm 08.17.12 # so about that psp hack...lol :) 08.17.14 # how do i do both tag cache and playlist? 08.17.32 # :S 08.17.37 # scorche, yes 08.17.56 # wait wait wait 08.18.03 # why are people talking about PSP in a rockbox channel? 08.18.07 # YouCeyE: try pushing buttons then...what button did the original firmware use for getting into the menu? 08.18.09 # thank you all very, very much for helping me 08.18.11 # Rick: we arent 08.18.17 # because we have a secret alpha PSP release 08.18.19 # but shhhhhhhhhh. 08.18.22 # we do? 08.18.23 # lol 08.18.26 # any body know wat to name a downgrader and what file to put it on in the psp 08.18.27 # well 08.18.32 # you need sector 9 access to hear that information 08.18.37 # haha 08.18.39 # are you by chance Myzar from the OSx86 poject? 08.18.44 # scorche, prev button 08.18.52 # i have that access lol 08.18.57 # you need sector 9 access to hear that information as well 08.19.05 # anyone that says they have it is lying 08.19.06 # NRH: this is the last time i am telling you...STOP TALKING ABOUT PSP RELATED ITEMS 08.19.14 # * Rick hands myzar an upside down sector 6 pass 08.19.27 # FAKE 08.19.28 # YouCeyE: then try that 08.19.31 # * myzar stamps FAKE on Rick's forhead 08.19.35 # crud, i've been discovered 08.19.37 # scorche: how do i show both views for playlist and id3 tags 08.19.40 # long press that is 08.19.41 # i *might* be, jdhoreotg 08.19.45 # y cuz it dont exist and scorche u find me a psp hack chatroom and ill shut up 08.19.47 # but i cannot confirm/deny 08.19.52 # c'mon, don't do that to me 08.19.55 # without my team of legal defence lawyers 08.20.00 # NRH: Seriously, YOU find you one. 08.20.05 # scorche, it takes to file show mode 08.20.36 # Paul_the_Nerd: happen to know the menu button for H10 for YouCeyE ?...i cant access the manual atm 08.20.44 # thank u paul great effort 08.21.01 # How big is a stock Rockbox install (on iPod disk)? 08.21.02 # NRH: Seriously, this is #Rockbox, not #FirmwareHacks or anything else. 08.21.11 # scorche: The circle button, I think? 08.21.15 # scorche: Just tap it. 08.21.15 # ok ill chill 08.21.17 # jdhoreotg: i'd wager ~2mb 08.21.29 # Paul_the_Nerd: i would guess that, but tell it to YouCeyE =) 08.21.30 # jdhoreotg: (then again, I havn't used rockbox in months and that was on my h120) 08.21.30 # cool...just wondering 08.21.41 # YouCeyE: Try tapping the Circle button, while in the filetree view. 08.21.46 # YouCeyE: *tap* not hold. 08.21.57 # well is any body in here a developer for rockbox or plannin to try to join 08.22.01 # hrm.. i think i still like the itunes interface 08.22.08 # this has cool features. 08.22.11 # NRH: what do you need a dev for? 08.22.31 # Paul_the_Nerd, circle button? 08.22.42 # YouCeyE: That's what I've heard it referred to? 08.22.45 # dont know maybe they can teach me cool stuff 08.22.46 # yes, what do you need a dev for? I'd say a lot of the regulars here have contributed code at one point or another to rockbox 08.22.48 # YouCeyE: i believe it is the leftmost button 08.22.52 # YouCeyE: It may just be a power button that people are strangely calling "circle" 08.23.07 # YouCeyE: I have no H10. :) I'm just trying to remember from offhand conversations a possible answer. ;) 08.23.11 # EFnet #dcemu, NRH 08.23.33 # i win 08.23.37 # you lose 08.23.41 # Paul_the_Nerd, thanks 08.23.44 # power button works 08.23.45 # YouCeyE: It worked? 08.23.48 # now service my penis please 08.23.56 # :P 08.24.05 # ...fag 08.24.06 # jdhoreotg: you know what i am going to say ;) 08.24.11 # ok now scorche 08.24.14 # * Rick irons jdhoreotg's pants while he is still in them 08.24.15 # i do indeed 08.24.18 # NRH: i told you before abotut he language 08.24.23 # lol 08.24.23 # should i try that threads? 08.24.28 # is it ok for non developer? 08.24.31 # Hey all 08.24.33 # YouCeyE: it is 08.24.36 # how do i tell it to load the apple firmware 08.24.37 # should i stop playing file 08.24.41 # does it have dual boot 08.24.41 # no 08.24.45 # before i check that option? 08.24.47 # but NRH, seriously, there's you're PSP IRC channel 08.24.49 # scorche: that no to me? 08.24.59 # EnterUserName: it does...hold menu while booting 08.25.01 # EnterUserName: Hold Menu while booting. 08.25.03 # (no) 08.25.08 # i used Podzilla2 BL...i love it 08.25.09 # were all grown people here all in favor of naughty words say fuk scorche 08.25.17 # fuk scorche 08.25.27 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 08.25.30 # scorche, what info u want? 08.25.32 # NRH: stop now 08.25.35 # ooh... 08.25.36 # * Rick hands scorche a large cookie 08.25.38 # lol 08.25.42 # DO IT! 08.25.42 # hmm 08.25.44 # * Rick bribes 08.25.46 # * BHSPitLappy lives in NRH 08.25.54 # * jdhoreotg hands scorche the Ban Hammer! 08.26.00 # nto bad at all 08.26.02 # scorche ill eat u 4 breakfeast u fake ass geek 08.26.07 # * BHSPitLappy saws scorche a piece of clue-by-four! 08.26.09 # * EnterUserName hopes you guys implement ways to communicate it with the itunes database soon 08.26.09 # Bye NRH 08.26.17 # and implement podcasts. 08.26.19 # ewwwwww 08.26.24 # locations 08.26.24 # :) 08.26.24 Kick (#rockbox NRH :scorche) by scorche!i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com 08.26.24 # yeah, bye bye, NRH 08.26.24 # that would be over the top 08.26.29 # huh 08.26.30 # EnterUserName: i hope it too 08.26.30 # EnterUserName: We really don't care about the iPod database. 08.26.30 # hehehe 08.26.32 # scorche, cpu freq 75mhz 08.26.33 # is anyone else on the web client?....i need to knwo 08.26.38 # EnterUserName, why would any core dev implement that feature 08.26.39 # rockbox has no limit on characters 08.26.41 # but i hope the most that rockbox would work on 5.5G :) 08.26.47 # itunes DB does 08.26.53 # as well as a directory structure 08.26.53 # EnterUserName: We're a REPLACEMENT firmware, not a "Coexist and use features of the other" firmware. 08.26.56 # BHSPitLappy: because it would so much easier to play music on rockbox 08.26.58 # scorche: AFAIK web clients encoded IPs into the ident, so banning that with the host should work 08.26.58 # oh 08.27.01 # it'd have to check the DB, then check directory 08.27.01 Join nrh2the|apologix [0] (i=d8b1a330@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 08.27.02 # i'm on mIRC 08.27.03 # if someone uses apple os too 08.27.06 # that might be a bit annoying 08.27.07 # CGI:IRC anyway 08.27.14 # but something that can maybe link rockbox files 08.27.17 # oh.. Well what happens if i want to use podcasts/ 08.27.19 # (other than unsupported formats) 08.27.20 # Rick: we will see... 08.27.25 # to the official firmware 08.27.25 # might be nice 08.27.25 # EnterUserName: They're just audio files... 08.27.29 # hrm. 08.27.31 # EnterUserName: I don't understand the question. 08.27.39 # Well I use amarok to sync my nano 08.27.39 # EnterUserName, lex, that's like thinking a linux core dev would want to implement a linux Registry 08.27.52 # (EnterUserName): nice 08.27.53 # * Rick points at nrh2the|apologix 08.27.53 # Paul_the_Nerd, i was getting pauses while playing a single file 08.28.07 # lex, it's an understandable plugin, but not an integral part of rockbox 08.28.07 # plays for 5 secs.. 3 sec pause.. resume 08.28.08 # everyone: any real importance in reading the user manual? 08.28.09 # YouCeyE: Like, gaps in the playback during the file? 08.28.16 # So now its totally changed.. which makes it harder how do i add podcasts to it? 08.28.17 # yes 08.28.19 # YouCeyE: Try a WPS without peakmeters... iCatcher theme, for example 08.28.25 # thanks 08.28.28 # EnterUserName: Just copy the files over. 08.28.29 # BHSPitLappy: it's like linux and windows, linux has to support windows because windows doesn't support linux 08.28.41 # heh...great analogy 08.28.45 # BHSPitLappy: so rockbox has to support apple os, because apple os doesn't support rockbox ;) 08.28.46 # how do i get out from this debug menu 08.28.53 # id basically have to start from scratch :S 08.28.59 # YouCeyE: press menu again 08.29.04 # i juz located a windows mobile platform for ipod 08.29.15 # lex: Why should Rockbox bother to support it? We have our own, arguably better alternative 08.29.27 # BHSPitLappy: and it's not easy to get 20GB of music two times to my 30GB ipod 08.29.28 # Yes you do. But lets say we want to know where our podcasts are :) 08.29.38 # scorche, wont work 08.29.38 # lex, I'm not sure how many people would use rockbox and apple os equally 08.29.40 # or back... 08.29.42 # i cant get out of it 08.29.59 # EnterUserName: Or you can use TagCache to automatically find and index the podcasts already on your iPod. Seriously, I can't help any more without an actual question or statement of what you want to do other than "use podcasts" because that means the same thing as "listen to audio" to me 08.30.07 # (nrh2the|apologix): pPod...i think we know 08.30.17 # there's also one for PalmOS 08.30.32 # i can't remember the name though 08.30.49 # Ok Paul_The_Nerd i cant find my podcasts using the TagCache :( 08.30.57 # thats the problem.. if it could find it i'd be happy :) 08.31.11 Part jdhoreotg 08.31.27 # EnterUserName: Actually, they may not be indexed, depending on what the files' extensions are. 08.31.34 # EnterUserName: What are their extensions on the iPod? 08.31.42 # I'm not to sure: S 08.31.43 # ;S 08.31.45 # EnterUserName: as i said, you can use drag and drop and use the regular frole browser 08.31.53 # errr...file 08.31.56 # no no i know 08.31.59 # but its hard to find no? 08.33.08 # EnterUserName: Just use the AppleOS. Forget it. It sounds like it's more suited to what you need 08.33.19 # ok. Well let me test it out i have nan idea 08.33.40 # well i'm gunna give it a fair shot.. i do like rockbox 08.33.54 # for the features i'll try erasing the whole music drive and reimporting my stuff :) 08.34.00 # Paul_the_Nerd, thanks.. it seems to fix 08.34.05 # selecting icatcher 08.34.31 # scorche, thanks for your help 08.34.42 # EnterUserName: if you are going to do that, just copy the folders over with music instead of using the ipod database 08.35.03 # Scorche: thats my plan 08.35.25 # hello 08.35.28 # then you can make a folder named "Podcasts" and put them in there 08.36.20 # YouCeyE: aye...i got a bit "distracted" after you told me that you were using the default wps =) 08.37.03 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 08.39.48 # i am amazed with what you can do with rockbox in a small mp3 player 08.39.57 # kudos to the developers 08.41.33 # Tag cache option is disastrous for harddisk life? 08.41.47 # ? 08.41.49 # not really 08.41.51 Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 08.41.52 # its been blinking for 3 minutes and still on 08.42.21 # It has to scan the disk. 08.42.27 # YouCeyE: thats expected the first time you run it 08.42.34 # That's just the first run of it, after it's indexed all the files it's much less harddrive intensive. 08.42.35 # Reading a hard disk isn't exactly 'damaging' seeing as the whole intent of HDs is data storage. 08.42.40 # can i do that on my pc and load a file to rockbox? 08.42.46 # unfortunately, no 08.42.54 # scorche: Incorrect 08.43.01 # wont it be a good option to use pc 08.43.05 # Paul_the_Nerd: oooo..they finally made one? 08.43.12 # scorche: There old TagDB perl script generates it now, I believe. 08.43.24 # I'm about 75% sure it got upgraded/replaced 08.43.27 # ah..i didnt realize they had updated it 08.43.29 # it did 08.43.38 # can i use easyh10 for making the list? 08.43.48 # songdb.pl 08.44.13 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 08.44.14 # YouCeyE: No, the only current utility is songdb.pl available in the source archive, it's a perl script so requires a perl installation. 08.44.30 # morning Bagder, is it bad to move individual drivers into the target-tree seperalty, instead of everything in 1 hit? 08.44.42 # cool.. Paul_the_Nerd .. 08.44.46 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 08.44.56 # JdGordon: no, its already being done driver by driver basically 08.45.05 # YouCeyE: Support could very easily be added to EasyH10 but that would be a job for whoever maintains that project 08.45.16 # Paul_the_Nerd, syntax is perl songdb.pl ? 08.45.37 # Bagder: and it wont break unless TARGET_TREE is defined only once all the drivers have been moved, yeah? 08.45.59 # .. because i've just moved button.c for hxxx into there but not sure if its done well... 08.46.01 # YouCeyE: I honestly don't know the syntax for songdb.pl, since I've never used it. :) 08.46.32 # damn.. i wonder why firefox crashes on debian 08.46.40 # YouCeyE: yes, but what platform do you have? you may need to include the tag to force it to output in big endian 08.46.44 # *little endian 08.47.06 # ic.. 08.48.10 Quit didj (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.48.22 # YouCeyE: and with an H10 you will need that. 08.49.04 # hcs, what about h120? 08.49.05 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.49.10 # i have both 08.49.32 # h120 is big endian,so you don't use the flag for that 08.49.40 Join scorche [0] (n=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 08.49.55 # subzero degrees today, DST is gone 08.50.02 # darn this is depressing 08.50.16 # fun 08.50.19 # my condolenses :D 08.50.19 # we're now pitch black 4pm 08.50.34 # see... that is why DST should be during winter, not summer 08.50.52 # in fact, the DST zone would be better for us all around the year 08.50.56 # it is fall and spring 08.51.08 # * scorche shrugs 08.51.12 Quit nrh2the|apologix ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.51.15 # any plans to make ums mode (without the trick) for h10? 08.51.30 # or does it need to come from iriver? 08.51.53 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 08.52.13 # i shld say this is one of the best channels with so many nice people answering questions 08.52.18 # YouCeyE: Once Rockbox has its own USB mode, it will be UMS, but that still requires further knowledge of the hardware 08.52.35 # i had seen rash answers from people in other channels 08.52.40 # YouCeyE: you'll want: perl songdb.pl --path /path/to/mounted/drive --strip /path/to/mounted/drive --littleendian 08.52.48 # YouCeyE: heh...we try =) 08.52.53 # thanks hcs 08.53.29 # what is the latest bootloader for rockbox? 08.53.30 # whoever referred me to juice for podcast receiver, thank you so much, much better than itunes :D 08.53.47 # i think my h120 has version 6 08.54.18 # YouCeyE: That's the latest official for H120, I believe 08.55.00 # you guys work on rockbox as a hobby? 08.55.06 # any fulltimers? 08.55.14 # it is a hobby for all 08.55.58 # unless Bagder gets millions from the donate button and isnt telling us 08.55.59 # actually i am interested in doing some development but dont know where to start 08.56.01 # * scorche glares 08.56.13 # YouCeyE: well, learning C would be a good start 08.56.16 # :) you guys deserve big donations :) 08.56.30 # scorche, i do C programming 08.56.51 # ah...good 08.57.05 # i'd donate if i could afford it 08.57.08 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 08.57.09 # i like paying for stuff i like 08.57.24 # it's an expression of gratitude 08.57.31 # it's why i still pay for music ;) 08.57.42 # scorche, is there a developers document for rockbox 08.57.51 # howtos 08.58.05 # YouCeyE: not really.. the wiki is some help 08.58.06 # well, i guess the next step would be to get aquainted with the source, write a plugin, or figure out something simple to change that you would like seen done 08.58.16 # YouCeyE: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide 08.58.35 # get an ipod and hack it >.> 08.58.38 # nice 08.58.39 # :P 08.59.01 # ooo i found a podcast for learning italian 09.00.02 # i found a htf podcast :po 09.00.36 # htf? 09.00.58 # happy tree friends 09.01.02 # :o 09.01.13 # except rockbox cant play it :( 09.01.17 # Bagder: are the 2 h1xx targets going to be put into the same folder in the target tree and any real differences will be handled by SOURCES, or will they be in 2 sepearte folders? 09.01.22 # yep 09.01.53 # JdGordon: Isn't the only difference the define for memory size? 09.02.01 # no 09.02.11 # there's a few other minor diffs 09.02.16 # juice? 09.02.26 # but I think it would still make sense to have them in the same dir 09.02.30 # nimdae your using juice? 09.02.33 # * EnterUserName uses amarok 09.02.35 # whats juice 09.02.35 # and just ifdef the small differences 09.02.36 # ok, cool 09.03.10 # EnterUserName: windows client 09.03.13 # oh 09.03.17 # nevermind i use amarok 09.03.21 # heh 09.03.24 # for linux :) 09.03.30 # i know ;) 09.03.34 # im tryign to figure out if it works better with rockbox 09.03.38 # or the apple firmware 09.03.42 # haven't made up my mind yet :) 09.03.52 # how to make rockbox automagically switch to the next folder? 09.03.57 # i have rythmbox 09.04.00 # switching folders is annoying 09.04.03 # Stalwart: playlist 09.04.13 # Nimdae: only? 09.04.22 # Stalwart: you read the manual? 09.04.28 # is there a way to have a playlist view as well as a tag view? 09.04.36 # Stalwart: there is also an option for it...read about it in the manual 09.04.36 # rockbox can make playlists, make one for the root music directory and it plays all 09.04.56 # ok 09.05.00 # scorche? 09.05.18 # Id like to group by artist and so forth as well as haev a playlist option.. is there anyway with rockbox/ 09.05.24 # EnterUserName: i am assuming you mean the file browser? 09.05.27 # yes 09.05.41 # it is either one or the other 09.05.45 # not like it is hard to switch 09.05.46 # hrm 09.05.49 # thats a bit frustrating 09.05.56 # there's lots of ways to see various things 09.05.56 # woudl that be a suitable feature request :) 09.06.10 # EnterUserName: i believe there is already one for that 09.06.14 # oh ok 09.06.24 # typically, everything you can think of has already been requested ;-) 09.06.29 # oh 09.06.32 # well add that up to the queue 09.06.42 # patience ;) 09.06.45 # heh that would be a killer feature :) 09.06.46 # Bagder: i want my ipod to defy gravity with rockbox on it 09.06.53 # and i can use it to fly! 09.06.56 # scorche: #4313 09.06.58 # ;-P 09.07.01 # umm 09.07.01 # scorche: Everything NOT STUPID. :-P 09.07.01 # Bagder: i want my rockbox to teleport me to work and back home 09.07.15 # I want IPOD to connect to SONYS database and download all there music/ 09.07.17 # scorche: Not to say there aren't any stupid ones, but you get the idea. 09.07.30 # Paul_the_Nerd: you wouldnt want to use your ipod to fly? 09.07.51 # hmm 09.07.53 # i want my ipod to pirate music for me so i don't have to work so hard at it 09.07.54 # scorche: Nope. Bet my life on something APPLE manufactured? 09.07.59 # lolol 09.09.01 # oh oh oh, i want a killer laser option too, use the wheel to adjust intensity, and the select button to fire 09.09.17 # wtf, i close itunes and it opened back up 09.09.22 # and again 09.10.19 Nick scorche is now known as itunes (n=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 09.10.29 # http://itpro.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/COLUMN/20060908/247572/ <= japanese article on Rockbox 09.10.30 # I can't let you do that Dave... 09.10.37 # I think 09.10.42 Nick itunes is now known as scorche (n=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 09.10.54 # wtf 09.10.59 # itunes won't stay closed 09.11.07 # * Nimdae uninstalls 09.11.58 # * scorche tried too hard for that joke 09.14.23 # hey 09.14.25 # whos dave :) 09.15.24 # EnterUserName: it was a joke stemming from 2001: A Space Oddesey 09.15.36 # Odyssey.. 09.15.44 # open the ipod bay doors hal 09.16.03 # oh ok 09.16.08 # i think i heard that before 09.16.17 # * EnterUserName sighs.. 09.16.23 # i'm glad i only have 4 gigs to worry about :) 09.17.16 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.18.52 Quit netmasta10bt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.19.08 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.21.55 Join matsl_ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 09.22.17 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.23.16 # hey 09.23.21 # how is the battery life now on the ipod 09.23.28 # using rockbox better? 09.23.33 # not yet 09.23.37 # in the faq it mentions it goes fairly quickly? 09.23.38 # oh ok 09.23.44 # so am i looking at 4-5 hours? 09.23.47 # instead of 10 09.23.50 # for which device? 09.23.52 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 09.23.52 # Nano 09.24.24 # * EnterUserName ponders. The ipod nano... 09.24.37 # 6 maybe more...not sure...never did a benchmark with mine 09.24.55 # oh .. i hope its long enuff for my daily stuff :p 09.24.59 # EnterUserName: its not a pico 09.25.11 Part andrewmel 09.25.25 # or even a micro 09.25.44 # at least its not exo 09.25.51 # true 09.26.21 # scorche: do you use rockbox on your nano usually 09.26.25 # or apple 09.26.27 # wish it was yocto ;) 09.26.28 # EnterUserName: i deleted the apple firmware 09.26.43 # wow 09.26.44 # but, that probably stores an eigth of a bit ;) 09.27.01 # scorche: where can i find the rockbox philosophy :) 09.27.14 # EnterUserName: guess 09.27.19 # scorche: where you using flacs or other type of files or where the wiki he: ) 09.27.28 # scorche: where you using flacs or just mp3s 09.27.31 # with your nano 09.27.32 # i was just saying as compared to IPL 09.27.43 # i generally use mp3, flag, and ogg 09.27.47 # oh ok 09.27.48 # flac 09.28.00 # no im just wondering cuz i know some of them take more cpu cycles 09.28.15 # so battery length may vary depending on format no? 09.28.22 Join GFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-155-1-104-216.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.29.14 # correct 09.30.07 # * scorche remembered he was about to watch a movie a couple hours ago 09.32.38 Join jdhoreotg [0] (i=UPP@pool-71-255-246-136.washdc.east.verizon.net) 09.33.13 # i been wondering...is Rockbox based off a Linux-based kernel? 09.33.17 # it isnt 09.33.23 # ahh 09.33.27 # dammit 09.33.36 # what is wrong with that? 09.33.48 # i wanted to get wifi on my iPod 09.33.49 # i thought it was based off clinux? 09.34.00 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.34.08 # EnterUserName: that would be the ipodlinux project 09.34.08 # i know iPod Linux is based off of uClinux 09.34.34 # rockbox is built around its own kernel 09.34.50 # cool...i guess... 09.35.12 # it is 09.35.25 # Rockbox is a lot smaller and leaner than linux ever gets 09.35.26 # smaller and faster as well =) 09.36.00 # you'd be surprised 09.36.30 # minix: fits on a 1.44MB floppy...boots in under a second 09.36.46 # i had it running on an old 33mhz box i had somewhere 09.36.48 Quit EnterUserName ("Lost terminal") 09.36.56 # and rockbox is even smaller and faster than so 09.37.04 # no and no 09.37.28 # you're not doing the correct comparison then 09.37.52 # it's 4MB without additional fonts (or AT LEAST 2MB) and it takes over a second to bot on my iPod color with i think a 60mhz processor 09.37.57 # *boot 09.38.07 # we were talking about the kernel 09.38.10 # again, that's not the proper comparison with your minix example 09.38.19 # oh 09.38.23 # rockbox has heaps of plugins 09.38.54 # and rockbox has to spinup the disk, which your PC didn't 09.38.55 # minix sorta does too...it's not just a kernel, it's bash and a few external applications as well 09.39.04 # * JdGordon just realised how much work is needed to move a target to the target tree fully :'( 09.39.25 Quit GreyFoux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.39.34 # anyway, I won't bother 09.39.50 # me neither 09.39.55 # i don't want to argue 09.40.00 # i love you guys 09.42.01 # minix is a general purpose OS, should it be loaded with functionality similar to rockbox, it would probably be slower 09.42.19 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-42-59.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.42.35 # whereas rockbox is a very specific OS ready to do certain tasks and each build is built for the hardware it runs on 09.42.48 # this is true... 09.42.55 # both are very different monsters though 09.44.37 # it's just like your gpu is more powerful than your cpu, but your gpu is designed with specific functionality but the cpu is for general functionality, but as you can see, they can't be compared 09.45.00 # i said but way too much 09.45.09 # i must be sleepy 09.45.16 # heh 09.45.57 # anyway, yeah 09.46.36 # it would figure, lots of commits, i update the rbclient environment, and no commits since 09.47.41 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 09.48.04 # but now they say that gpus could be more suited to specific, general tasks better than a cpu 09.48.21 # i know 09.48.30 # (like, general dna profiling operations) 09.48.45 # depends on the type of calculations being performed 09.49.01 # Does anyone know if it would be normal to have to fake a partition table on flash disks? I don't seem to be getting any errors from disk_partinfo(), but I'm not seeing any partitions on the Sansa :( 09.49.14 # i have an app installed called Magic Bullet that lets me off load some video rendering to the GPU for it to go faster than just using the CPU...i love it...it's so useful 09.49.16 Quit matsl_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.49.20 # Bagder: shuoldnt all the remote code in the x5(example) target tree be ifdefed in case people want to build a custom build without it? 09.49.43 # magic bullet, eh 09.49.44 # perhaps, but let's leave that to when someone actually wants it 09.49.55 # yup 09.50.11 # i <3 Magic Bullet 09.50.13 # i know some gpus support video rendering in hardware 09.50.18 # should i make sure that check is in the hxxx trees? or not bother 09.50.24 Nick dan_a_afk is now known as dan_a (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 09.50.31 # but vendors turn it off or something 09.50.52 # i dunno 09.51.15 # apparently magic bullet is also a blender 09.51.23 # and a record label 09.51.47 # i didn't know about the record label but i have one of the blenders 09.51.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.51.58 # that blender kicks ass too 09.52.08 # lol 09.52.56 # the only software i find relating to video is video editing 09.53.10 # ok, i've had a very productive day and now i think i'm going to bed...god night, all 09.53.20 Join bluebrother [0] (i=HAYgxfWc@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 09.53.27 # nite 09.53.45 # morning 09.53.56 Part jdhoreotg 09.58.06 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 10.00.18 Join dave [0] (n=dave@CPE0014bf8324c4-CM0016b5339a2a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 10.00.19 # hey all 10.00.24 Nick dave is now known as EnterUserName (n=dave@CPE0014bf8324c4-CM0016b5339a2a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 10.00.27 # is there a program to make your m3us 10.00.29 # alot easier? 10.00.48 # another program? 10.00.58 # shrug ya if i have many files 10.01.10 # i dont want to have to type so much 10.01.12 # PC media players usually generate m3u. E.g. winamp 10.01.28 # hrm.. im using amarok but its doing the wrong directory .. i ended using vi 10.01.32 # and use 1,$s/..blah/ 10.01.42 # you just need to make sure the paths are absolute 10.02.05 # sure, as your files will be in /media/foo/bar and on the player they are in /bar 10.02.44 Part Paul_the_Nerd 10.02.50 # so in that case I'd suggest writing a small script that corrects the path prefixes. 10.03.18 # hrm 10.03.18 # ok 10.03.22 # ya vi i can do that too 10.03.27 # thats what i did.. 10.03.31 # or use a script with sed. 10.03.53 # you can just do it batch like with sed. 10.04.56 Join dpro [0] (n=dpro@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 10.16.13 # I thought rockbox would decimate your m3u paths. 10.16.34 # it would look in /media/foo/bar first, then /foo/bar, then in /ba 10.16.38 # just the drive letter i believe 10.16.42 # but i am not sure 10.17.10 # * scorche points at Bagder 10.17.22 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.17.26 # it does prefix stripping 10.17.27 Quit EnterUserName ("Lost terminal") 10.17.43 # * aliask is not happy 10.17.54 # Got my H300 back from lending it to a friend, and it's broken. 10.18.52 Join mizerydearia [0] (i=mizery@CPE-70-92-88-48.new.res.rr.com) 10.18.58 # ouch 10.19.24 # Bagder, the "consider upgrading make" is counted as error on the build table. Shouldn't this get treated as warning? 10.19.57 # heh, i upgraded make 10.20.10 # i hope 10.20.27 # humm, not necessarily rockbox-related, but I am looking for a nice pmp (audio&video) that has a linux-based environment and 60-250+gb storage capacity. I've been researching for products available for purchase in the US. Anyone have any tips/pointers? ^^ 10.21.09 # 250gb? 10.21.13 # perhapas a rockbox-supported pmp is a good start? 10.21.25 # gonna strap a hd to that thing? 10.21.28 # humm, I would build my own if I could ^^ 250+gb hard drives are cheap 10.21.58 # morning 10.22.23 # The 160gb Archos 504 seems really nice ^^ 10.22.30 # but I can't find availability in the US 10.22.56 # Bagder: Why does the build colouring script count the warning output as an error? Can that be fixed, or should I remove the warning? 10.22.57 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 10.24.07 # morning amiconn, you were talking this morning about moving button.c to target tree? FS#6257 10.24.19 # Atm 4 of 13 build servers have an old make which triggers the warning 10.24.49 # old? 10.25.17 # 3.80 is the latest provided by redhat atm, and 3.81 appears to be the latest release, not THAT old ;) 10.26.48 # amiconn: well, it looks like an error to the script 10.27.20 # What decides whether the output is an error? 10.27.50 # ARe these scripts open, and available somewhere? 10.27.57 # /^([^:]*):(\d+):/ 10.28.09 # ugh 10.28.19 # gotta love perl... 10.28.24 # * scorche coughs 10.28.40 # well, that's more regex than perl 10.29.03 # I committed the showlog.cgi script now to the www cvs module 10.29.12 # Anyone have any recommendations for a great pmp available in the states? ^^ 10.29.19 # (using zagor's user ;-) 10.29.21 # or what is the best solution available? 10.29.44 # i believe there is a saying...if you were to put an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite amount of keyboards, st some point, one will create C code....every other one would write perl 10.29.47 # =) 10.30.35 # warnings match this: /^([^:]*):(\d*):.*warning:/ 10.30.35 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.31.07 # JdGordon: Thanks, this almost looks like it should. 10.31.09 # as that's how gcc displays them 10.31.24 # Bagder: Does it matter whether the output appears on stout or stderr? 10.31.43 # amiconn: cool, im working on mooving the whole h300 tree now, should i commit the buttons or wait till the rets is done? 10.31.53 # amiconn: I'm quite sure there's no difference 10.32.42 # JdGordon: Basically, you shouldn't need to explicitly point to button-target.h. The target tree paths should be part of the include dirs even if TARGET_TREE isn't defined 10.32.54 # If not, this is an error in the build system, imho 10.33.18 # ok, yeah, i had to add it to configure to get it working with the h300 10.33.26 # Bagder: I can make the warning appear on stderr without the prefix with a somewhat esoteric hack 10.33.32 # Would that help? 10.33.45 # yes, it would prevent it from being seen as an error 10.34.09 # The hack is to use $(shell echo >&2 "blahblah") 10.34.20 # ...instead of $(warning) 10.34.26 # its the "Makefile:11" thing that makes it trigger the error matcher 10.34.31 # ah 10.34.37 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 10.36.41 # I'll go away now, back later tonight 10.44.17 Join Blackfish [0] (n=asd@p548369E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.44.21 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4722D.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.46.04 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 10.47.11 # JdGordon: I basically want the buttons in target tree in order to add the same cpu saving as on X5 when no button is pressed. So I would appreciate to have h300 buttons in target tree now. 10.48.19 # ok, if you can wait 10min I should be able to commit the whole h300 tree.. 10.48.54 # Of course it would be nice to add the target include tree dirs for all targets. Then you don't need to hack around the build system... 10.49.17 # Of course, if you convert the whole h300 tree, then you just need to #define TARGET_TREE 10.49.39 # * amiconn can't find where these dirs are added 10.49.46 # yup, cept its sort of still needed for the h1xx 10.49.52 # i tinhk its in the configure script 10.50.19 # amiconn: Linus has been working on moving the irivers to target tree, but I don't know what the status is 10.50.20 # TARGET_INC is set up by the configure script, but somewhere this must be added to INCLUDE 10.50.48 # t_cpu, t_manufacturer, t_model is missing for the targets which arnt in the tree 10.51.11 # adding them to h300 and re-configureing made it work 10.51.38 # Hmm. I guess defining these will also add #define TARGET_TREE ? 10.51.52 # no, that gets addied in config-target.h 10.52.20 # Ah, so we just need to add those t_ variables in configure 10.52.30 # I tihnk so 10.52.43 # Goodie. 10.53.04 # hmm.. this is gonna take more work, so ill do the buttons for ya now 10.53.09 # When you moved the iriver button code, I'll probably do the same for the archos button code 10.53.21 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 10.53.38 # i didnt touch archos because i wasnt sure how you wanted the folders arranged/named 10.55.37 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.55.39 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF996.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.56.42 # JdGordon: Yes, that's in fact the main problem with archos and target tree 10.57.17 # E.g. Ondio FM and Ondio SP are so similar that I think both should get the same target tree dir. 10.57.32 # However, this will leave some ifdefing in the target tree code 10.57.39 Quit chendo (Remote closed the connection) 10.57.46 # * amiconn would like to hear Linus' opinion on that 10.58.04 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.58.20 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.58.39 # JdGordon: For h1x0, we also have 2 targets with minor differences which should get a single target dir 10.58.59 # (h100 and h120, with only 2 minor hw differences) 10.59.04 # yeah, i asked Bagder about that a while ago and he said the same thing 10.59.22 # amiconn: the ATA defines for the PP5002 and PP5020 are now both in arm/ata-target.h 10.59.30 # should I move it to the .c files? 10.59.31 # It's only the RAM size and the s/pdif power enable signal polarity 10.59.49 # to get rid of the #ifdef 11.00.15 # Hrrrrm! 11.00.29 # Why does the build system not pick up my configure change!+ 11.00.44 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.01.02 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host13-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 11.01.13 # amiconn: fixing configure indeed means we dont need to fully path the button-target.h file 11.01.17 # so ill commit it 11.02.08 # You may need to 'cvs up' before, as I committed a configure change shortly before 11.02.18 # * jhMikeS did #ifdef'ing in the target tree for the pcf50606 ... now he's in serious doodoo ? 11.02.25 # Shouldn't interfere with the t_ stuff 11.03.07 # can i leave i unused variable in button.c so i dont add extra #ifdefs? 11.03.53 # markun: If those defines are not needed outside the ata-pp*.c, they should go into these .c files 11.04.07 # JdGordon: please don't 11.04.20 # ..leave the usused variable 11.04.38 # I guess this #ifdef will be temporary 11.05.01 # bah, ok 11.05.02 # Hmpf, that probably was clear as mud 11.06.09 # doesnt matter... clean build, cvs up then commit 11.06.17 # better just double check it ont he target first :p 11.06.53 # amiconn: unfortunately they are also used by ata.c 11.07.13 # why is - added to the filenames int he target tree? seems a bit silly to me :p 11.07.30 # JdGordon: for easier grepping and visualizing when loaded into editors etc 11.07.41 # ok, fair enough 11.07.44 # have 22 files using the same name can become confusing 11.08.15 # but it isn't a requirement 11.08.27 # it is nice though 11.09.14 # is #ifdef'ing in the target tree really so bad if 99.9%+ of the code is common to everything below it? 11.09.35 # I don't think we can avoid #ifdefing completely, even in the target tree 11.10.11 # I'd have to duplicate large amounts of code just to avoid that. Bloats the repository too much imo. 11.10.28 # I agree 11.10.29 # So there will be 4 target dirs in sh/archos target tree 11.10.39 # player, recorder, fmv2 and ondio 11.10.54 # sounds good 11.11.35 # I wonder whether I should move the complete ata_mmc stuff 11.11.48 # There's no other target using mmc in spi mode 11.12.04 Join enterusername [0] (n=root@pdpc/supporter/student/GeekZoid) 11.12.06 # hey all 11.12.11 # hey all 11.12.12 # amiconn: I'm making the adc_scan actually wait for the conversion result to be ready or is the debounce scheme faster? 11.12.16 # the ata_mmc might be interesting for the sansa port 11.12.18 # Initilize now doesnt appear to be clearing my database 11.12.21 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967B21.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.12.21 # from old songs that i had before are stilla ppearing 11.12.52 # how do i clear the database 11.12.55 # jhMikeS: The adc is always ready because the i2c transfer takes enough time. See the pcf datasheet 11.12.56 # grr... cvs and local trees are annoying 11.13.36 # ok...then what the heck is it needed for? 11.13.54 # The debounce is necessary because the buttons are so mushy that the signal fluctuates a lot, and not doing the debounce often gives false button reads 11.14.07 # The worst target here is the h300 11.14.12 # hey all how do i clear the music database with tag cache initlize now doesnt appear to be working 11.14.36 # Sometimes I still get wrong button readings even with all the debouncing 11.18.21 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-83-99.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.18.28 # enterusername: remove /.rockbox/tagcache_*.tcd and try initialize it again 11.18.33 # Says it takes 16uS for 8-bit mode. 11.19.23 # Bagder: I'm using ata_mmc as a template for the Sansa work, but we use SD mode not SPI. They are fairly different. 11.19.50 # nanoblue works cool too bad the font needs to be small brb 11.21.25 # can't wait to try flacs :) 11.22.32 # U really dont need to use the tag cache if you have your directory structure nicely too 11.23.03 # why wont cvs create the h100 target folder? i did cvsdo add h100 from the iriver folder, but its not showing up in the log showing which files are going to be commited 11.26.33 Quit enterusername ("Lost terminal") 11.26.59 # amiconn: ok, its finnaly online 11.27.02 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h148n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 11.27.11 # * JdGordon hopes it didnt stuff up 11.30.09 # crap 11.34.27 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.34.39 # woot! personal high score :p 11.35.01 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 11.35.40 # Bagder: does the build system not check for new commits if a build is going? 11.35.55 Quit qailer (Remote closed the connection) 11.36.00 # hi 11.36.56 # yo 11.37.01 # amiconn: the button code is in cvs and working, but the build table is wrong untill someone does another commit 11.37.13 Quit daurn|laptop ("daurn|laptop was using Daurnimator's Legendary Script") 11.37.19 Join enterusername [0] (n=root@pdpc/supporter/student/GeekZoid) 11.37.27 # is it possible that the firmware is making my ipod charge too much 11.37.35 # no 11.37.38 Quit Rondom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.37.45 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 11.37.47 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF996.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.37.48 # weird.. its giving me battery problems. 11.37.52 Quit mvo2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.38.18 # rockbox (atm), uses the apple disk mode for transfers 11.38.37 # it gave me a battery error when i disconnected it 11.38.41 # but it appears to be fine now 11.39.16 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.40.30 # Anybody got any 1.8" drives kicking around collecting dust? *hopeful smile* 11.40.57 # aliask: i want it first :P 11.41.18 # bbl 11.41.19 Quit amiconn (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 11.41.27 # aliask: daurn|laptop: the 3 of us should find the aussie distributor and rob them or something :p :D 11.41.55 Join scorche` [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 11.42.11 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.42.19 # Hah. I just need mine to make an ipod functional 11.42.31 # So its not really a NEED thing 11.42.45 # well this is nice...rockbox shows the mp3 bit rate. 11.42.57 # "i just need ..." "so i don't need it" 11.43.01 # does anyone here have the h100? 11.43.34 # I'm getting one! (I bet that doesn't help) 11.43.52 # hey i cant view the fire while listening to music :p 11.43.57 # :) not really, unless your getting it tonight 11.44.15 # Well, you live close to him, but he can't find it at the moment anyway... 11.44.41 # lol ipods cpu can not handle the nice pictures while listening tomusc:( 11.44.43 # enterusername: That's because it uses heaps of CPU, and it's too busy drawing the fire to do the music 11.44.51 # ya i noticed :) 11.45.21 # Wonder if we'll ever get some kind of "visualiser" 11.45.25 # darn nanos they need to make it better 11.45.51 # at least i can play bubbles thats a nice game :p 11.45.55 # aliask: if we do, using it will be a nice large cut of battery =P 11.46.22 # enterusername: they did...the new nanos are pretty beefy CPU wise 11.46.29 # really 11.46.33 # too bad i cant afford the new nanos :( 11.46.33 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 11.46.43 # And too bad rockbox won't work on them. 11.46.50 # it isnt worth it yet anyway...no rockbox yet 11.47.02 # oh hrm 11.47.19 # I figured a way around the playlist and tagcache 11.47.26 # i just organize the directory structure 11.47.28 # so i can have both.. 11.47.39 # yeah...that is what i suggested to you 11.47.46 # oh :) 11.48.23 # im getting a hang of this interface now.. 11.48.48 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3095.gwdg.de) 11.49.37 # so if i were to buy an mp3 player (new one) which one woudl you all suggest 11.50.07 # depends what you would want in an mp3 player 11.50.26 # um size and weight 11.50.44 # to be light something similiar to my 4 gig ipod ;) 11.52.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.52.15 # i want a free mp3 player 11.52.22 # any1 caring to buy me one? 11.52.22 # :S 11.52.39 # i got my nano for free =) 11.52.48 # lol 11.52.54 # howd you manage that scorche? 11.52.58 # enterusername: how much bigger can it be? 11.53.06 # enterusername: does it have to have rockbox? 11.53.16 # i will tell you when it becomes storytime again...it isnt right now... 11.53.19 # scorche: i could steal one as well - but i don't like ipods 11.53.34 # No.. U guys should try using Zen :) 11.53.37 # ha...right...like i would steal one 11.53.38 # porting zen to rockbox 11.53.53 # i saw a Zen Creative 8 gig its pretty nice 11.54.04 # so whats everyone's fav here? 11.54.09 # enterusername: its dm320, that means likelyhood of port == 1% 11.54.25 # oh ok 11.54.39 # so whats everyoens favorite mp3 player? 11.54.42 # enterusername: until this last 3 months, archos offerings. cept newest ones are crap 11.54.53 # well, not crap, but nothing i would want 11.55.37 # hmm 11.55.41 # they dont have color screens though? 11.56.06 Join kaspar [0] (n=kaspar@223.126.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch) 11.56.14 # not that u need them :p 11.56.31 # ? 11.56.58 # im looking on the site on what you guys support 11.57.02 # and i dont see them with color screens 11.57.10 Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.bredband.comhem.se) 11.57.21 # heh, rockbox only supports OLD OLD archoses 11.57.27 # newer ones don't have rockbox 11.57.29 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 11.57.36 # oh ok 11.57.45 # im wondering if thats being worked on.. 11.57.50 # but, everything cept the newest lineup have been the most awesome players ever 11.57.57 # enterusername: i was... but i quit 11.57.58 Join scorche` [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 11.58.05 # how come? 11.58.12 # i don't have the time 11.58.26 # oh understandable 11.58.32 # also, they are (again) dm320 - it takes some illegel know-how to get sound output 11.58.42 # oh 11.58.54 # liek zen :( 11.58.59 # yep 11.59.00 # howd you guys do nano 11.59.19 # is the new nano that too :p 11.59.50 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.59.59 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 12.00.19 # ?? 12.00.29 # Daurn: Is most mp3 players that now? 12.01.29 # enterusername: is most mp3 players what? 12.01.36 # the dm320 chipset 12.01.38 # no 12.01.41 # oh ok 12.01.55 # the new ones.. 12.02.24 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsDM320 12.02.27 # whats this firmware coded in assembly? 12.02.32 # ehh 12.02.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 12.03.48 # oh ok.. Do you just get a compiler working on it and then do c source code? 12.04.11 # ...if only 12.04.16 # lol :p 12.04.29 # oh ok 12.04.39 # How do you guys program it? 12.06.11 # program what? 12.06.46 Join SmilinBob [0] (n=Bob@31.248.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 12.06.52 # ? 12.06.54 # how do you create the firmware on these mp3 players 12.06.55 Quit SmilinBob (Client Quit) 12.07.27 # which? 12.07.34 # the nano.... 12.07.35 # iriver.. 12.07.36 # it differs for each target 12.07.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort 12.07.49 # that will give you a basic idea 12.10.19 # . 12.10.41 # pretty intensiver 12.10.46 # lol im going to bed. its 6am.. 12.10.47 # :) 12.12.08 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1656A.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.12.13 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.14.40 Join scorche` [0] (n=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 12.15.16 Quit scorche (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.18.14 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-165-106.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 12.18.17 Part MadDog011 12.18.33 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p5493076F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.19.26 # JdGordon: I don't think you should nick the copyright of those new files 12.19.30 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 12.19.44 Quit scorche` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.20.09 # the original ones from where you got the snippets to create the files should be used 12.20.14 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-6-4.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.20.20 # Bagder: ok, i havnt done it to any other files, so i wont do it again 12.20.37 # no big deal, just mentioning it 12.20.59 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 12.21.04 # HAVE_SERIAL cant be defined for the the h300 yeah? 12.21.19 # I don't know 12.21.29 # k 12.22.13 # I remember LinusN did something with serial on the h100 some time ago 12.22.14 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.22.53 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-6-4.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.30.57 # power.c is confusing :p 12.31.36 Quit kaspar (Remote closed the connection) 12.32.09 # * jhMikeS knows all about the spaghetti knots of power code 12.32.23 # mmmmmmmmmmm 12.32.26 # spag 12.33.08 # any1 wanna send me a rockboxable device? 12.33.29 Quit GFoux ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") 12.33.53 # * JdGordon needs a better editor which can fold #ifs properly 12.34.07 # emacs! 12.34.08 # :-) 12.34.12 # * Bagder ducks 12.34.22 # ew 12.34.26 # kate and kdevelop both dont :'( 12.34.30 # scite is the best *nix editor 12.36.22 # emacs has a rather nifty ifdef-mode 12.36.23 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.36.53 # that can show the file according what defines you say are defined 12.36.58 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.192.27) 12.37.53 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 12.38.53 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.38.57 # worse editor: elvis 12.40.15 # scite? *lol* 12.41.24 # woohoo! h300 compiles fine in the target tree 12.41.29 # sounds like skite = scat 12.41.37 # now to test and makes rue nothing was broken :p 12.41.57 # power soup is better 12.42.08 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 12.42.42 # JdGordon: What are you targeting in general? Key and power stuff? 12.43.38 # jhMikeS: everything which stops it from compiling 12.43.58 # so atm its ata, adc, backlight, systems, power, usb 12.45.05 # everything seems to be working 12.45.07 # JdGordon: you like doing massive reworkings =:-) 12.45.21 # jhMikeS: much more fun than maintenance 12.46.09 # Don't message pcm_playback.c though...I've already started that 12.46.14 # mess even 12.46.26 # it didnt complain so i havnt touched it 12.47.36 # Bagder: the h1x0 and h3x0 targets both use the same ata file, is coldfire/iriver/ata-hxxx.c a reasonable filename? 12.47.57 # how bout ata-iriver.c ? 12.48.18 # hmm.. i guess that is nicer isnt it :p 12.48.24 # oh right there's that ifp-7xx thing 12.48.38 # is that one under coldfire? 12.49.05 # no, the ifp-7xx is arm 12.49.20 # so -iriver would be best? 12.50.13 # I did pcm-coldfire.c for playback and recording DMA and it should interface with only generic functions in pcm_playback.c and pcm_record.c 12.51.12 # All targets just have to fill in a few small apis 12.53.52 # jhMikeS: Sounds good to me. 12.54.45 # Why'd stuff stop compiling anyway? 12.55.27 # linuxstb_: I already fill-in the functions for the iPods. Just need to target tree them but I'll wait on that. 12.55.43 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 12.56.35 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 13.01.42 # * dan_a curses GCC optimisations 13.02.14 # I've found out why I can't read the partition table on the Sansa 13.05.11 Quit daurn|laptop ("daurn|laptop was using Daurnimator's Legendary Script") 13.06.52 # ...but I don't know a clean way to make it work 13.06.56 # bloody hell cvs is giving me the shits tonight! 13.12.19 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 13.30.28 Quit _FireFly_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.31.16 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4722D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.32.28 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484CA86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.37.49 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 13.44.43 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 13.45.06 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.45.26 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 13.46.42 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 13.47.10 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.47.17 Join daurn|again [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 13.48.54 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 13.49.02 # Bagder: I want to remove a file from the wiki but I get a 'access denied' http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/attach/Main/GigabeatInfo?filename=gigabeat_f40_block_diagrams.pdf&revInfo=1 13.49.10 # dan_a: What's the partition table problem? Does the Sansa even have a partition table? 13.49.27 # markun: I get the same when trying to do something with attachments... 13.50.16 # linuxstb: I think it does - if I read the raw data on the disk, there's a string about an invalid partition table. 13.51.07 # The problem is that if I use a function similar to copy_read_sectors (from ata.c) the data doesn't get copied unless I do something with it in that function 13.52.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.52.06 # BTW, does anyone know of any other players using the PP5024? 13.52.19 # That suggests to me that something should be set as volatile and isn't being, but this is at the limit of my understanding 13.53.54 # Have you tried looking at the assembler gcc generates both with and without using the data? 13.53.59 # Hmm 13.54.20 # * amiconn has to introduce an #ifdef in the brand-new iriver/button-target.h 13.54.22 # linuxstb: Not yet 13.54.35 # amiconn: aww.. why? 13.55.01 # H300 needs 2 additional functions in button-h300.c which need to be accessed from the outside 13.56.10 # I think it's not a big proble 13.56.12 # m 13.56.42 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 13.59.49 # Nice. "Press stop to continue". :) 14.01.01 # Lear: *lol* nice going to sleep present for me :) 14.01.32 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 14.03.35 Join muesliii [0] (n=muesliii@61.95.205.84) 14.03.48 Part muesliii 14.05.04 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54931775.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.05.04 Quit daurn|again (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.05.04 # if i want to write some code for rockbox 14.05.22 # how do i get informations about how many colums and rows the device has? 14.05.42 # that depends on the used font too 14.05.47 # Hrm, anyone who knows why the cvs view of a file is partially crap in Firefox? Bad CSS, Firefox bug or what? 14.06.05 Join daurn|again [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 14.06.39 # Lear: In what way? Example? 14.06.42 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.07.01 # * amiconn uses firefox almost exclusively, and didn't find any problems with cvs view 14.07.11 # * linuxstb too 14.07.16 # Take a long enough file (like a .lang file) and scroll down a bit. Everything is pitch black. 14.07.39 # Ah, that one 14.07.59 # It's a general firefox problem with long pages 14.08.38 # english.lang looks fine to me... 14.09.05 # I get the problem (FF2 on Windows) 14.09.14 # v1.5.0.1 under Linux 14.09.37 # So it's a Windows issue? 14.10.14 # Only seen it on rockbox.org, I think... 14.12.12 Part ]RowaN[ 14.14.43 # And disabling CSS makes it work 14.14.48 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.15.42 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 14.15.44 # I've seen 2 different effects in firefox with long pages. Either the page becomes black, or it becomes solid background colour 14.16.22 # Behaviour became better with newer firefox versions, but it's still not completely fixed 14.16.30 # 1.5.0.7 on winxp here 14.16.38 # give me a link i have ff 2.0 on linux 14.17.50 # Ah, firefox 2 is finally out... 14.17.58 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd724a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.20.36 # * Lear wonders how dithering should be translated... 14.23.40 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.28.36 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-171.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 14.29.21 # * amiconn asked babelfish the same question for the german translation. Very funny result... 14.29.21 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.29.31 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd724a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.30.44 Nick funky is now known as zildjian (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 14.30.44 # dithering is a nightmare to translate 14.30.58 # i neglected to update the norwegian translation on purpose, heh 14.30.59 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-58-23.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.32.05 # Looked at the Audacity translation, but that didn't help much... 14.33.38 # which was? 14.33.40 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-58-23.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.33.49 # why is irc sooo quiet? 14.33.52 # Better dictionaries just keep it as "Dithering" in german 14.33.58 # rockbox is only channel with even SOME chat 14.34.51 # amiconn: shure but what do franch guys? 14.35.03 # thes have laws against using foreight words 14.35.44 # amiconn: this is one of the cases where english's very large vocabulary has got a word for something that needs several words in other languages, i'm afraid 14.36.22 # preglow: don't translate that word... 14.36.57 # But on a quick glance, the translation didn't seem very good anyway... 14.37.54 # most translations actually aren't 14.38.12 # since they seem to be mostly done by people who aren't really very good in their own language, heh 14.38.26 # that's mostly the case with norwegian translations anyway 14.38.36 # the bigger apps seem to be well off, but that's that 14.42.13 # True. But even paid-for translations can be bad. I know at least one case where they didn't actually test the translated program, so several translations were odd for the context in which they were used... 14.42.25 # hahaha 14.42.26 # that's a must 14.42.36 # i noticed that myself, when translating rockbox 14.42.57 # you pretty much need to test it and do notes 14.43.53 # the guy who does the nynorsk translation seems to be a guy who's able to find norwegian words for english ones, i'm looking forward to seeing what he'll come up with for this one :> 14.47.49 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.49.25 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.52.31 # preglow: What exactly is the difference between norsk and nynorsk? 14.53.13 # just a completely revise spelling, right? 14.54.02 # * amiconn likes this accessory detect trick :) 14.54.07 # Genre9mp3: norsk is the oldest written language, pretty much deriving for danish naturally over the years. nynorsk is a constructed language based on the numerous dialects found around in the southern part of norway. they've become very similar over the years 14.54.12 # amiconn: i agree 14.54.21 # s/for/from 14.54.33 # I see... 14.54.42 # Genre9mp3: both are official languages 14.54.44 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=54bd724a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.54.50 # a pretty unique situation, i think it is 14.55.27 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 14.55.27 # nynorsk used to be something special, once upon a time, now it and bokmål have come so close it's not even funny 14.55.29 # * Genre9mp3 should update the greek.lang as well 14.55.37 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=54bd724a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4597eabdb19354b8) 14.56.00 # * preglow finds languages interesting 14.56.35 # * Genre9mp3 wonders how much would cost a paid translation for Rockbox 14.56.40 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 14.58.37 Quit rconan (Remote closed the connection) 15.00.57 Nick daurn|again is now known as daurn|laptop (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 15.02.24 # * daurn|laptop wishes he could contribute to rockbox 15.07.00 # you can 15.07.11 # how? 15.07.20 # i am messing sround with lcd_putsxy 15.07.25 # i dunno, find something 15.07.31 # i simply dont get naything on the screen 15.07.47 # is there something i need to initialize before using it? 15.07.50 # preglow: i have no rockboxable device, and no time to do a port 15.08.29 # you can still translate and make graphics, do manual work 15.08.29 # :> 15.08.41 # i don't know any other languages 15.08.52 # my graphic abilities aren't fantastic 15.09.04 # - i get someone else to do my graphics when i program 15.09.18 # daurn|laptop: after a DM320 target is supported it your port might not be so difficult 15.09.34 # markun: its not that.. just NO time 15.09.53 # find someone else to do the port then :) 15.10.12 # no one else with dev ability is interested 15.12.31 # blue_lizard: Are you calling lcd_update() after doing the lcd_putsxy? 15.13.04 # dan_a: no 15.13.19 # Try that, it might help ;) 15.13.47 # on my way 15.14.37 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.15.22 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@unaffiliated/desowin) 15.16.05 # dan_a: thx that helped 15.16.16 # You're welcome! 15.17.30 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15101.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.25.10 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.26.23 Nick daurn|laptop is now known as daurn|afk (n=quae@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 15.31.35 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 15.31.58 # hmm... anyone now why the "LANG_TAGCACHE_DISK" entry is empty in the english.lang file? Is this supposed to be that way? 15.32.32 # Genre9mp3: that entry is deprecated 15.32.48 # and will be removed in future (at next release?) 15.32.54 # ah... ok 15.33.11 # thanks 15.33.33 # deprecated entries cannot be just removed from the language files or they need to be removed from all languages at the same time 15.33.44 # otherwise strings go out of sync 15.33.57 # I was just about to ask this :) 15.34.02 # :) 15.34.04 Quit voyage34 () 15.34.04 # I'll leave it blank then 15.34.29 # Removing deprecated strings requires incrementing the binary .lng version. That shouldn't be done too often 15.35.00 # I think it should be done before a release. 15.36.41 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 15.36.55 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54931775.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.40.43 Quit z3ro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.43.14 Quit PaulJam (".") 15.43.26 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 15.45.06 # amiconn: Do you still have concerns with the patch we talked about yesterday? 15.46.09 Join SmilinBob [0] (n=Bob@31.248.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 15.50.26 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 15.50.57 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 15.51.02 Join z3ro [0] (n=z3ro@60-234-138-172.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 15.51.16 Quit SmilinBob (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.51.56 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@140.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 15.52.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.52.26 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177840109.dsl.bell.ca) 16.00.01 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 16.01.52 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54931775.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.03.14 Quit Criamos (Client Quit) 16.06.14 Join Febs [0] (n=shortcho@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 16.07.20 Join lightyear [0] (n=lightyea@p54877202.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.08.33 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54931775.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.10.43 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@140.84-48-78.nextgentel.com) 16.10.49 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.13.23 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.14.25 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 16.15.50 # Real basic Cygwin question... how do I upgrade my make to 3.81+ ..? 16.16.21 # * pondlife has no Linux clues. 16.16.28 # what's a cygwin? 16.16.32 # :-P 16.16.37 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 16.16.50 # It's something that allows me to break playback unbuffering 16.16.54 # :) 16.16.56 # :-p 16.17.07 # try just running setup.exe again and looking for an updated make package 16.17.15 # OK 16.17.45 # looks like 3.81 should be the latest in cygwin's package repo. 16.18.04 # As an aside, I have been testing with MAX_TRACKS set to 4. It reveals some oddities in the metadata handling on wrap round, but you probably knew that. 16.18.19 # not surprising in the slightest 16.18.29 # e.g. Doing skipping can display an old track's metadata for a second or 2 16.18.37 # I wonder if that's why someone was reporting problems with playin glots of short tracks 16.18.43 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.18.45 # Very likely 16.18.56 # And mono 64k tracks 16.19.06 # I should really rewrite metadata on buffer one of these days. 16.19.07 # I've had it go out of sync too. 16.19.18 # rewrite? You mean it already got written? 16.19.35 # I wrote it once and it mostly worked, but then I had to drop it for various reasons 16.19.45 # the patch is probably still on the wiki somewhere 16.20.09 # I think lowlight wrote it once too 16.20.57 # I'm too busy to do Big Things at the moment :( 16.21.03 # yar 16.21.43 # since I've decided to glue myself home for financial reasons for a month or 3, I might have time to do it coming up. 16.21.54 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 16.26.23 # do it! 16.29.50 # I'll work on it, if you clean my apartment today :-P 16.31.23 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-50-23.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.32.52 Quit rconan (Remote closed the connection) 16.34.48 Join SmilinBob [0] (n=Bob@31.248.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 16.35.16 Join Rincewind [0] (i=V6ok0RZq@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.36.29 Quit Rincewind (Remote closed the connection) 16.37.39 # Hmm, I can't find a make later than 3.80-1. I assume that's not the same as 3.81? Cygwin only gives me a "Keep" option; it doesn't seem to want to upgrade anything 16.39.10 # might hafta update its package list from the server or something? I've never used it myself, but their website says they have 3.81-1 available :-\ 16.39.24 # I'm using the rockbox mirror 16.39.44 # try just going to the cygwin site itself or something? no idea. 16.39.56 # That's where I started. 16.41.27 # hmph. 16.44.10 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.44.12 Join Sinbios [0] (i=Sinbios@dsl-10-149-227.b2b2c.ca) 16.47.43 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 16.48.14 # lostlogic: One more question. Currently queue_post wraps around and overwrites the head of the queue when it's full. This seems wrong. Would it be better to just NOT queue any more in this case? 16.48.15 Quit qailer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.49.53 # that would probably give bugs as well 16.50.19 # True. Maybe we should panic? 16.50.21 # the best would be for the queuing to fail, so that the queuer would have to sleep a bit before trying again 16.50.43 # but of course, it should never happen 16.50.53 # It shouldn't happen really, hence the panic 16.51.34 # I've found another case where queuing overflows - on the sim at least, and quite possibly on the target 16.51.50 # where? 16.52.20 # Somewhere in the voice/codec interaction 16.52.35 # A flood of Q_AUDIO_PLAY in the voice queue 16.52.42 # hrmrmr 16.52.49 # this would explain why thing hangs so often lately 16.53.16 # Yep. I will resolve it, but think the diagnosis would be easier if the queue handler was better. 16.53.28 # There may be more... :( 16.54.27 # I think panicking is correct, and should probably be handled the same way threading extra checks are -- with a #ifdef and only enabled for debugging. 16.55.10 # what time are the x5 devlopers normaly? 16.55.12 # on 16.56.31 # Hmm, q->read and write increases forever (well, until the uint wraps) 16.56.52 # * pondlife has worse grammar at weekends. 17.03.05 # eh 17.03.12 # if a hang will happen anyway 17.03.19 # then why not do a controlled panic? 17.03.32 # some easy hint for the developers 17.05.11 # I vote to always panic too. 17.05.44 # Does anyone know what "Illegal key:15" means? dsp.c doesn't like crossfeed apparently.. 17.06.26 # what? 17.06.30 # pondlife: crossfEEd? What doesn't it like about it? 17.06.43 # not liking crossfeed is unlikely 17.07.23 # dsp_configure is being passed a setting of DSP_CROSSFEED from somewhere, it returns 0 as there's no code to handle that setting, which results in a logf 17.08.54 # Maybe I need to make install.. 17.09.50 Join Blackfish` [0] (n=asd@p54837DCE.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.09.59 # DSP_CROSSFEED??? 17.10.23 # ehh 17.10.28 # Yes. looking at dsp.h , thet would be setting 15... 17.10.29 # why the hell is there even such a define? 17.10.37 # No idea. 17.10.46 # preglow: I probably did that.. don't know why :) 17.10.54 # you can just remove it, should never be used 17.11.05 # for the same reason that i just removed DSP_DITHER 17.11.13 # it's not up to the codec whether it should be applied or not 17.11.15 # Make install fixed the logfs 17.11.51 Quit z3ro (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.13.54 # Eeer.. does anyone know what playlist catalog does? 17.14.04 # It's undocumented in the manual 17.14.59 Quit SmilinBob ("Leaving") 17.15.13 # It's a catalog (?) of playlists... or it is a single playlist that it's called catalog? :) 17.15.27 # Genre9mp3, it's a folder with playlists 17.15.37 # and you can add files to that playlists easily. 17.15.56 # So it's a catalog of playlists 17.16.00 # yup 17.16.12 # And what's the purpose of that btw 17.16.13 # ? 17.16.34 # e.g. like the favourites plugin: maintain a list of your favourite tracks. 17.16.57 # or have some lists like rock, pop, jazz and add tracks to them while listening. 17.17.10 # for example I have a list with broken files. 17.17.16 # I see... 17.17.34 # I should use it some time to understand how exactly it works 17.17.43 # haven't used it a different way, but maybe someone knows ... 17.18.37 # heh... If I didn't ask I would have translate it completely wrong! :) 17.19.05 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034083173.nb.aliant.net) 17.19.37 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 17.21.23 Quit Blackfish (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.22.16 # Anyone know of any upnp servers for Linux capable of streaming live audio from a DVB card? 17.24.55 # preglow: pondlife: there are performance implications in checking for an overflow? 17.25.23 # A little, sure. queue_post must do an extra addition and comparison. 17.25.24 # lostlogic: you mean in mixing? 17.25.28 # ahh, that overflow 17.25.41 # if (q->write == (q->read + QUEUE_LENGTH)) 17.25.41 # panicf("Queue overflowed, id=%ld\n", id); 17.25.57 # Something like that. 17.26.00 # don't much about queues, but i'd imagine the performance impact is tiny 17.26.00 # I still vote for ifdeffing it in only for debugging as teh THREAD_EXTRA_CHECKS are done 17.26.06 Quit RogerBacon (Remote closed the connection) 17.26.21 # lostlogic: but really, if this ever occurs, a release build will crash 17.26.32 # But hardly anyone uses debug builds and we want to find bugs. 17.26.50 # lostlogic: if it crashes anyway, we should put in some info that helps us kill the bug 17.27.00 # okokok I give up 17.27.03 # good :-) 17.27.04 # Can someone double-check my maths in that test above by the way? 17.27.16 # Don't want to panic anyone for no reason :) 17.27.25 # if that's the case, the THREAD_EXTRA_CHECKS should be on in release builds too -- because they check for things like two threads blocked on the same queue 17.27.45 # lostlogic: as long as a crash will happen anyway, i think we should do whatever helps us the most 17.27.46 # No major performance penalty? 17.27.57 # pondlife: do we just assume that we never reach UINT_MAX? 17.28.16 # Yes, kind of. But my maths should overflow the same as ++ does anyway. 17.28.23 # So I think it'll still work. 17.28.26 # preglow: if two threads block on the same queue at the same time, one will never wake up 17.28.35 # pondlife: ah, you're right. 17.28.37 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.28.49 # That's why I went for that particular form. 17.32.01 # I'll turn on the extra threading checks by default, I think -- they 1 or two extra conditionals depending on the type of block requested (timeout or no timeout) 17.32.15 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-60-136.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.32.21 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.44.170) 17.33.27 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 17.36.32 # Hmm, I just overflowed a queue on my H340 ! Or my test is wrong... 17.40.26 # Hmm, it's really easy to overflow a queue. Just do something that keeps the CPU busy during playback :( 17.40.43 # well that sucks. 17.40.52 # Is my test wrong? 17.41.31 # Reshuffling a playlist of 12000 songs does it every time. 17.41.50 # Maybe I can make the panic dump the whole queue. 17.42.45 # test seems right to me 17.45.45 # eh 17.45.48 # sounds... unlikely 17.46.08 # if not, then something funky's about 17.49.46 Join Rincewind [0] (i=UyWEW0Th@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.50.14 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.50.21 Part _Lucretia_ ("Leaving") 17.52.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.52.30 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 17.54.13 # can someone tell my why i cant see the .rockbox folder when browsing with my h10? 17.54.29 Part Rincewind ("leaving...") 17.54.48 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484CA86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.54.59 Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-90-22.bredband.comhem.se) 17.55.03 # Blackfish`: Go to quick menu and sellect Show All 17.55.22 # quick menu? 17.55.36 # Blackfish`: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-920007.2 17.56.22 # Blackfish`: Hold the Prev key (I think... don't have H10) 17.56.39 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 17.57.12 # ah thanks :) 18.00.21 # Unless I misunderstand something, I'm just going to make it legal to block multiple threads on one queue and eliminate the need for THREAD_EXTRA_CHECKS 18.00.45 # :405 18.00.47 # doh 18.05.22 # question 18.06.02 # y not make rockbox support java? i mean then we can play games like in my cellphone : 18.06.03 # :] 18.06.44 # ok, write a JVM that runs on rockbox, best of luck :) 18.06.45 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.07.03 # is there a patched build of rockbox for 30GB 5.5G ipods? :( 18.07.19 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 18.09.10 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.09.11 # lostlogic, 2 secs and its done :] 18.14.16 # Hrm. How come the x5 doesn't have HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING? I don't see anything special about the hardware that the iriver and ipod have in this respect. 18.14.39 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177840109.dsl.bell.ca) 18.16.37 # linuxstb: hey 18.18.44 # I misunderstood something -- that whole concept was bankrupt. 18.22.01 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.28.08 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 18.31.37 Join Captain_A [0] (n=dummeska@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 18.37.26 # amigan: if the backlight is made with a CCFL or EL lamp, it cannot be dimmed with PWM 18.38.22 # amigan: try it and see 18.38.50 # but with led backlight (quite common now), dimming is certainly possible 18.40.34 # iirc, the power control chip might control the backlight brigtness also. So it might be necessary to vary the voltage level by controlling that chip to do the dimming 18.40.43 # (then it would allow constant dimming also) 18.42.41 # Slasheri: your opinion of (new version just diffed) http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/scheduler_boost_ctrl_enhanced.patch ? 18.45.13 # Slasheri, ah 18.45.31 # I tried it, and the backlight just turns off and doesn't come back on. 18.45.53 # lostlogic: i need more time to check that.. quite much changes 18.46.23 # but it seems there might be some good things besides the cpu boosting thing 18.47.17 # amigan: of course it wont work just by uncommenting the line.. 18.47.24 # Slasheri, yeah I know 18.47.28 # Slasheri, I hadn't read your message yet =] 18.47.34 # Slasheri: I think just in the form of splitting boost_thread into two functions instead of using an 'if' onthe timeout... otherwise it's just (an unfortunate amount) of noise, due to changing the use of the STATE related macros 18.47.39 # you need to check how the backlight is connected to the cpu and make necessary changes to the code 18.48.10 # lostlogic: yes, that seems at least good thing to do 18.48.23 # well lemme know what you think, I won't commit until I hear. 18.48.41 # i will try to check that soon.. 18.48.44 # thanks. 18.50.24 # Slasheri, I looked through backlight.c....all it seems to be doing is turning it on and off using __backlight_on() 18.50.37 # The x5 has a coldfire CPU just like the iriver, so the timer stuff looked the same too 18.52.26 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 18.54.53 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 19.04.34 # amigan: but x5 has the power controller chip also 19.04.50 # and i think backlight is connected directly to that chip, not the CPU GPIO 19.04.56 # Ah. 19.06.01 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host10-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 19.08.21 Join dave [0] (n=dave@CPE0014bf8324c4-CM0016b5339a2a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 19.08.34 # hi all 19.08.40 Quit dave (Client Quit) 19.09.24 # hi everyone 19.09.43 # how do you get back to the WPS screen after you go back to the File Browser view 19.09.46 # cant figure ito ut 19.10.01 # press play 19.10.03 # Isn't "What to do when Splitting" in record options a bit "ugly"? 19.10.18 # How about: "Action on Splitting" ? 19.10.32 # oh i tried that but then it plays the current song :p letme give it a try again 19.10.43 # "Split Options"? 19.11.15 # I try pressing play. but then it plays a new song 19.11.20 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.11.27 # obo: In recording file or time split options 19.12.15 # enterusername: maybe a different key on your player then. did you try the manul? 19.12.19 # manual 19.12.34 # Yes i'm looking... hrm. ill keep reading i didnt see anythign particular.. 19.13.36 # im using an ipod.. 19.14.28 # enterusername: press play for short time 19.16.17 # Thank you that worked. 19.17.32 Nick enterusername is now known as EnterUserName (n=root@pdpc/supporter/student/GeekZoid) 19.18.39 # amigan, slasheri: actually, all you need is to uncomment the define 19.18.54 # Slasheri: i cleaned up your code to be generic one time :) 19.19.09 # preglow, yeah, I tried it, and it didn't work 19.19.26 # amigan: then your backlight's special 19.20.26 # preglow: nice :) 19.21.00 # preglow, heh 19.21.01 # amigan: but it doesn't work just like that on all platforms, of course 19.21.02 # is something wrong with the tracker? 19.21.17 # depends on the backlight itself 19.21.21 # bluebrother: nothing? 19.21.37 # strange, now it works. I tried adding a comment and it took like ages. 19.21.51 # and took me to the tracker front page afterwards. 19.22.04 # hey .. here's another simple question how do i get out of the Info page. 19.22.10 # from the main menu 19.22.21 # preglow, ah 19.22.23 # keeps saying scanning disk :p 19.22.31 # hmmm... 19.23.03 Join matsl_ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 19.23.08 # hmm, maybe just a small glitch. 19.23.11 # Why "arbitrary" settings now have a drop down list? 19.23.16 # just found it..:S 19.23.23 # amigan: for example, the h1x0 remote backlight is an el device, so can never support this kind of fading 19.23.32 # Because of the -> confirm <- cancel behavior? 19.23.32 # might be that the main backlight in x5 is also an el device 19.23.36 # Yeah the x5 backlight is EL too 19.23.40 # Which is why =] 19.23.41 # then it won't work 19.23.51 # Yeah 19.24.35 # eg. the Disk spin down option leads you to a list of choice from 3s to 254s... it's not like it used to be 19.24.48 # and it's ugly that way IMO 19.25.02 # 254s??? 19.25.04 # wasted bits 19.25.19 # Genre9mp3: they've had a drop down list for months 19.25.35 # preglow: Haven't realised :/ 19.26.01 # I think because of the cancel/confirm behavior... right? 19.26.22 # preglow, what if the code simply set the backlight brightness rather than doing PWM? I'd imagine this might work (though it might not look as good) 19.26.32 # amigan: that would of course be the proper way to do it 19.26.41 # amigan: pwm fading is only a hack to make it work on devices with no brightness control 19.26.47 # Ahh. Ok. 19.27.01 # I think that the drop down list on such options is ugly and unecessary 19.27.04 # I'm just worried that the brightness settings for the x5's LCD (1-10 IIRC) might be too coarse to make it look as good. 19.27.14 # Genre9mp3: it works fine for short lists, if you ask me 19.27.18 # Genre9mp3: worse for long lists 19.27.26 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-101-173.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.27.26 # well... for short lists, yes 19.27.29 # amigan: oh, yes, surely 19.27.33 # Hey all have any of you guys ever bought a larger batter for your nano ipod.. 19.27.53 # But when you have 250+ options it's ugly 19.28.08 # And options that are actually a number value 19.28.27 # lists should be for options, not for values 19.28.32 # yes, i agree 19.28.35 # but i don't care enough to fix it 19.29.03 # right... 19.31.41 Join DaBlade [0] (n=linuxp2p@unaffiliated/dablade) 19.31.44 Quit qailer ("Leaving") 19.31.45 # Hello 19.32.01 # This may seem like a stupid question, but is there support for Creative Zen Touch yet? 19.32.09 # DaBlade, no 19.32.19 # bluebrother: Any plans to introduce it? 19.32.36 # no idea. Maybe this has been discussed in the "new ports" forum. 19.32.49 # as long as no dev starts working on it it won't happen. 19.32.52 # A number value that would just change on up/down would fit perfectly though... IMO it should be as it used to be (some months ago :/) 19.34.55 # DaBlade, see also this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5006.0 19.35.23 # bluebrother: thanks 19.36.08 Quit RogerBacon ("Quitte") 19.37.21 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd724a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 19.38.06 # Argh! Stereo Width option is a list from 0% to 255% :( 19.39.01 # ..and balance from -100 to 100% :/ 19.39.21 # * Genre9mp3 wonders why I haven't noticed earlier 19.40.33 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-023-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.42.08 Nick zildjian is now known as funky (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 19.42.45 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.45.39 Quit yipe ("Requested by Seveas") 19.47.05 Quit desowin ("use linux") 19.48.28 Quit matsl_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.49.31 Join matsl_ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 19.52.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.52.41 Join psiborg [0] (n=psiborg@flits103-221.flits.rug.nl) 19.54.16 Quit bluey- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.54.18 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 19.54.30 # So, what's up? 19.56.14 # Why am I being told to get it done myself if it's a feature request? 19.56.48 # Because developers work on what interests them, not what the community calls out for. 19.57.11 # in most cases, at least 19.57.19 # It is not a paid position, it is a collective of people blending their own pet-projects together. 19.57.22 # Then it's not really a feature request.. 19.57.27 # Yes I understand that. 19.57.31 # And I'm grateful for it too. 19.57.47 # So the best thing to do is throw an idea at the wall and see if it sticks. 19.57.48 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-081-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.57.57 # Throwing it twice just annoys the wall. 19.58.19 Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-90-22.bredband.comhem.se) 19.58.58 # How am I throwing it twice? 19.59.07 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 19.59.10 # And don't I have a better chance of it sticking if I do throw it twice? 19.59.11 # :P 19.59.21 # I get what you mean......... -_-; 19.59.30 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.59.33 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-16-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 20.00.32 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.06.29 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF996.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.06.38 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 20.08.02 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=SereR0kR@Ea7eb.e.strato-dslnet.de) 20.08.03 Quit weazle (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.09.07 Join CHUY [0] (n=charlie@r201-217-154-250.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 20.10.23 Quit CHUY (Client Quit) 20.14.01 Join dpro [0] (n=dpro@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 20.14.42 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1614E.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.17.25 Join dpr1 [0] (n=dpro@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 20.20.12 Quit SereR0kR () 20.23.52 Quit matsl_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.25.32 Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 20.26.17 Join matsl_ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 20.30.00 Quit blueworm ("Leaving") 20.31.20 Quit pagefault ("Leaving") 20.33.14 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.35.03 Quit dpr1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.37.17 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 20.40.14 Join slowcoder [0] (n=jaja@195.1.151.177) 20.40.28 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host10-138.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 20.43.05 Join sucka [0] (i=nn@80.6.86.35) 20.46.33 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 20.48.47 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 20.49.10 Quit Psiuyo () 20.50.39 Join dpro [0] (n=dpro@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 20.50.54 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 20.51.11 Join Drumr [0] (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c2019c.dyn.optonline.net) 20.51.36 # is rockbox compatable with the 80 gig 5.5g ipod? 20.51.54 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 20.52.43 Quit dpro (Remote closed the connection) 20.54.18 # Drumr: not yet 20.56.54 Join lodesi [0] (n=lds@82.247.165.89) 20.57.35 Join kaspar [0] (n=kaspar@223.126.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.58.15 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034094246.nb.aliant.net) 20.58.24 # hello, is there anyone who knows how do I access the microphone in a plugin? 21.00.06 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.00.19 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.00.20 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.00.29 # hello, is there anyone who knows how do I access the microphone in a plugin? 21.00.48 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 21.00.52 # No need to ask twice... 21.00.59 # sorry 21.01.04 # you can't (yet) 21.01.18 # is something like that planned? 21.01.30 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 21.01.32 # Yes, lots of people want it. 21.01.38 # (just asking out of curiosity) 21.01.45 # really? Ok ... 21.01.48 # might be easier to do with the new encoder framework 21.01.57 Join pfault [0] (i=pagefaul@bas2-toronto12-1168024292.dsl.bell.ca) 21.02.35 # I think preglow and jhMikeS have discussed it recently. 21.05.54 Join niskel_ [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034065139.nb.aliant.net) 21.09.24 # discussed what? 21.09.32 # ahh, right 21.09.44 # i'd very much like it, and i think jhMikeS has gone some way towards implementing it 21.10.53 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.msg56112#msg56112 21.10.58 # Troll or true ? 21.11.19 Quit mirak (Client Quit) 21.11.35 # gehh 21.11.50 # unless he's in the habit of shitting money, i'd say troll 21.12.14 # $1400 would buy you a pretty fancy MP3 player.. 21.12.20 # god, the amount of fancy beer... 21.12.30 # problem is, i don't have an ipod 5.5 21.12.37 # anyway, the job is far from impossible 21.12.55 # It's very possible. I've verified every bit of hardware (except the DSP) in the 5.5G 21.12.58 Quit EnterUserName ("leaving") 21.13.03 # wow...i just saw that 21.13.04 # It's _identical_ to the 5G 21.13.10 # slowcoder: well, sure, yes 21.13.16 # slowcoder: the only piece of work required is the sector problem 21.13.20 # and that's not much of a problem 21.13.31 # he also mentioned getting video function up and ready 21.13.33 # Are you guys using your own loader, or are you using loader2 as well ? 21.13.38 Join EnterUserName [0] (n=dave@pdpc/supporter/student/GeekZoid) 21.13.42 # our own 21.14.09 # slowcoder: primarily our own, but people do pop in time from time to ask about using it with loader2 21.14.15 # slowcoder: Our own, but it should be interchangeable with loader2 21.14.36 Join lds_ [0] (n=lds@82.247.165.89) 21.14.37 # Ok, and your sector problem.. Is it in the loader, or in rockbox itself ? 21.15.10 # including video? Crazy. 21.15.17 # and including an exe installer? LOL. 21.15.21 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 21.15.27 # Well we have an exe installer, technically 21.15.32 Quit pfault (Client Quit) 21.15.43 Quit pagefault ("Leaving") 21.15.46 # ... it only works on archos exclusively 21.15.49 # slowcoder: It's in both - the Rockbox bootloader is just a stripped-down version of Rockbox itself. It uses the same drivers. 21.15.52 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 21.16.10 Quit lds_ (Client Quit) 21.16.28 # He doesn't specify that video and audio should both work at the same time! 21.16.30 # slowcoder: People have managed to hack Rockbox onto a 30GB 5.5G, and it works fine, including audio playback. 21.17.02 # bluebrother: Well, there's also Installer X which could be borrowed, or someone just wrap the command prompt tools which are .exes with a .bat or something. 21.17.26 # Paul_the_Nerd, I would really prefer something that isn't depending on windows. 21.17.47 # The problem you're having seems that someone messed up the MSB of the LBA address.. Without double-pumping the ATA registers, you should be able to address up to 136GB disks. Halve that, and it would work on 60GB, but not a 80GB 21.17.58 # bluebrother: Oh, I certainly agree 21.18.11 # like installer2 of ipl ... I had a look into it recently. 21.18.38 # they use qt4, which is something I scheduled for learning ... but I fear I won't find the time to do so. 21.19.16 # and I don't have an ipod for testing. But maybe I'll get around writing something 21.19.22 # slowcoder: Rockbox works fine on Archos players with 160GB 2.5" drives using (afaik) the same ATA driver that runs on the ipods. 21.20.03 # portability is one reason why I don't like people writing installers using vb or .net or other windows-only stuff. 21.20.48 # linuxstb_: Cool. Loader2 will break at 136GB 21.21.37 # Although I'm not sure the area between 136GB and 160GB works - it's inaccessible from a PC due to limitations in the USB<->ATA bridge chip used in the Archos devices. 21.21.55 # Ahh 21.22.25 Quit niskel_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.22.44 # So, have you guys looked more deeply into the Nano 2G ? 21.23.02 # none at all 21.23.42 Quit niskel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.23.59 # I own one, but it's doing nothing at the moment - I can't contribute anything to the encryption problem... 21.24.25 # I have one as well. I've had it apart and inspected it for our HW guy 21.25.26 # When he gets back from Alaska(!!) and gets settled in his new job, he'll have the BootFlash chip X-rayed, and we'll see if we can snoop the data that the CPU reads from it 21.26.53 # Is anyone in IPL making progress with other things - e.g. USB, TV-Out, broadcom chip? 21.27.38 # Not really 21.28.02 # USB is on hold until a 2.6 port sees the day 21.28.20 # And since no-one is working on that actively, that'll take quite a while 21.29.30 # TV-Out seems neat at first look, but getting the PP502x to render in PAL/NTSC resolution? Man, that'll be slow 21.30.21 # slowcoder: xray? wouldn't snooping the bus be easier? 21.30.38 # We need to X-Ray it to see what pin to snoop 21.34.06 # right, right, epoxy 21.36.38 # 320x240 is a legal NTSC resolution. 21.37.53 # Dont you mean 640x240 ? 21.38.17 # no, 320x240 is VCD resoloution, perfectly kosher, all NTSC devices can accept it. 21.38.40 # 320x288 being the PAL equiv. 21.39.41 # and what I believe the Apple firmware outputs at, I am pretty sure the AppleFW doesn't upsample to 480. 21.39.56 # Wierd. I'd figure it would screw up the timings seriously 21.40.07 # or 576 21.41.49 # Soap: Supposedly the 5G new firmware does 640x480 output, but that's with the Broadcom chip 21.42.25 # if i upgrade to teh new firmware on my 60gb 5g ipod can i still reinstall rockbox? 21.42.41 # Actually, I think the old firmware did that as well.. The keynote news was that _itms_ videos now were 640x480 21.43.45 # Drumr - yes 21.45.33 # If the AppleFW is upsampling, there is still no reason to believe it /must/ be done by IPL/RB. 21.45.38 Quit kaspar (Remote closed the connection) 21.46.23 # is there? 21.46.27 # Well, you're assuming that the video chip does upscaling in hardware 21.46.55 # If the chip doesn't do upscaling, we need to render in full PAL/NTSC resolution 21.47.55 # what I'm saying is a TV will take 320x240 w/o the device doing hardware upscaling. 21.49.07 # my DVD player has an upscale option, and while I can tell a difference when playing a VCD with the upscaler on, compared to the upscaler off, the TV seems to handle the lower res just fine. 21.49.28 # anyone got any idea why every so often rockbox will randomly stop dead in the middle of a track and move onto the next one? (ipod 5g) 21.50.23 # So I am, I'll admit, assuming that when I have the upscaler off on my DVD player the DVD player isn't working any magic on the (S)VCDs I feed it. 21.51.05 # knewt: I don't know, but it happened to me *once* during six hours of use yesterday on an H120, I thought I'd bumped next track, though I couldn't see how (it would've had to have been triggered by the vibrations of my car) 21.51.38 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-165-106.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 21.51.43 Part MadDog011 21.51.52 # Soap: composite is a fixed resolution 21.52.08 Quit rconan (Remote closed the connection) 21.52.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.52.34 # Paul_the_Nerd: i had the key-lock turned on, so definitely not that :) 21.53.04 # Soap: the tv wont rescale anything, it will either work or not 21.53.40 # 320x240 goes full screen, as does 480x480, 640x480, and 720x480. 21.54.17 # I've used other intermediate resoloutions, but I can't recall off hand. 21.54.51 # jpeg.viewer? 21.56.04 # the tv (PAL) will display 720x576, the thing feeding the tv must encode the picture in a compatible way 21.56.37 # my updated greek.lang file exceeds the language buffer :( 21.56.50 # I don't want to open my mouth and prove my ignorance, but I don't know how composite can be fixed resoloution. Since TV is not pixel based. 21.57.06 # It's line-based though. 21.57.21 # composite doesn't have a resolution 21.57.26 # well, horizontally at least 21.57.28 # vertically it does 21.57.29 # Paul_the_Nerd: the other "interesting" thing i found, was that i put a track on repeat-1 mode, and the both the progress bar and the time-remaining info got completely screwed up 21.58.00 Join kaspar [0] (n=kaspar@223.126.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch) 21.58.28 # and the vertical "resoloution" is a matter of timing, which is why 240/288 is used, since it is simply a halving of the lines. 21.59.18 # true, but anyway you must scale a video when sending it over composite if you wan't it in full screen 21.59.28 # unless you do some tricks 22.00.25 # line send each line twice. 22.00.30 # s/line/like 22.00.46 # yeah 22.01.09 # the horizontal resoloution is nothing more than samples/time - no need to "render" anything more than the current 320. 22.04.42 Join ruisu_ [0] (n=ruisu@red-corp-201.143.249.7.telnor.net) 22.05.28 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 22.05.31 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 22.06.17 # Sorry to go even more off-topic, but does anyone know a Linux solution for playing back HDTV (1440x1080i) MPEG-4 AVC in realtime? ffmpeg/mplayer works, but far too slowly on my dual 2.8GHz Xeon PC. 22.06.56 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.07.50 # I think you might out of luck 22.07.58 # try vlc? 22.08.18 # Doesn't vlc just use ffmpeg? 22.08.20 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 22.08.28 # no idea 22.08.35 # but I have no problem playing back that in windows under vlc 22.09.26 # What streams? Mine are the BBC's HDTV broadcasts. 22.09.42 # usually tv shows 22.09.47 # from primetime here 22.10.38 # Where is here? 22.10.45 # canada 22.10.49 # we use the ATSC standard 22.11.19 # Is it definitely MPEG-4 AVC, and not MPEG-2? I know all US HDTV is MPEG-2. 22.11.37 Quit Blackfish` ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.11.48 # it's mpeg 4 because it's extracted from my cable company's PVR 22.11.56 Quit ruisu_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.11.59 # which uses mpeg 4 avc over their network 22.12.45 # it's not from OTA 22.13.43 Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 22.13.46 # I forget the details (something like MBAFF), but the European MPEG-4 HDTV broadcasts use features of MPEG-4 which make them very computationally expensive to decode. Your PVR is probably encoding with simpler MPEG-4. 22.14.02 # perhaps 22.14.10 # it doesn't encode anything though 22.14.13 # it just saves the signal to the disk 22.14.26 # all the encoding is done at the cable company 22.14.28 # and they send it over fiber 22.14.29 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1607D.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.15.18 # because I can record up to 2 things at once 22.15.25 # and watch something else 22.15.28 # so I doubt it would be encoding it 22.16.51 # OK, but I still suspect it's a lower complexity version of MPEG-4. The only way I think even Windows users can play these streams is with proprietory codecs which use hardware accelleration in some higher-end nvidia cards. 22.17.06 # which is what I have 22.17.09 # so could be the case 22.17.19 # but I don't see why vlc would be using it 22.18.20 # I have a 7950 GX2 22.19.13 # but you could be right 22.19.16 # it is mpeg 4 of some kind 22.19.37 Quit spiorf (Connection timed out) 22.20.22 # I guess you need to invest in a c2d 22.20.23 # :P 22.20.32 # A c2d? 22.20.42 # core 2 duo 22.21.29 # or an AMD X2 22.21.36 # I thought I had finally bought a PC which would be fast enough for everything I wanted, and then they go and invent HDTV... 22.22.07 # I used to like amd but they have fallen behind 22.22.20 # hopefully they will make a comeback 22.22.45 # does it matter? 22.22.53 # you can buy a $200 c2d and overclock it to 3ghz 22.22.58 # and have anything faster than amd offers 22.23.13 # when a pentium 1 was the norm and DVDs became popular you could get a MPEG-2 helper card, can you not get a MPEG-4 one today? 22.23.25 # * petur won't get dragged into a my cpu is better than yours discussion 22.23.26 # or must you brute-force it with your CPU? 22.23.28 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.23.37 # I wasn't saying it was better 22.23.43 # I just said amd has fallen behind 22.23.56 # now they need to release something better 22.24.03 # Yes, the nvidia cards I mentioned - but I've no idea if there's any Linux support. 22.24.04 # the moment you buy a cpu it has already fallen behind 22.24.06 # slasheri: I don't like that ogg length check in metadata.c... 22.24.17 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@wireless-219-66.uchicago.edu) 22.24.49 # suppose so 22.25.00 # slasheri: you check it before it is set, so I guess that make all oggs fail... :/ 22.27.28 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.170.183) 22.30.12 # Hm... Should we perhaps support files with less than 1 seconds worth of audio? :) 22.35.39 Part Paul_the_Nerd 22.35.44 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 22.37.58 Join midgey34 [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 22.38.16 Quit scorche ("Leaving") 22.40.56 # Lear - Last.FM doesn't track them, so I don't care about them! ;) 22.41.41 # As it is now, they get length zero, which for several formats cause crashes... 22.43.41 Quit mbr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.44.31 # yes we should 22.44.35 # :p 22.44.37 # j/k 22.45.59 # Huh? *** No rule to make target `button-target.h' 22.46.15 # Bad dependency, I guess... 22.46.55 Quit kaspar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.47.44 Part DaBlade ("It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.") 22.48.04 # Lear: I think you need to re-run configure after jdgordon's commits today. 22.48.29 # Seems like it, yes. 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