--- Log for 02.11.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 18 hours and 56 minutes ago 00.00.29 # Hmpf, my laptop sound hangs :/ 00.00.34 # Need to reboot 00.00.59 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.01.09 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 00.01.25 Join qailer [0] (n=qailer@c80-217-91-55.bredband.comhem.se) 00.01.29 # how are you testing the FPS? 00.01.39 # test_fps plugin 00.02.01 # it isn't normally build, you need to add it to SOURCES in the plugin source dir 00.02.31 # k 00.03.04 # rockbox seems pretty neat, at least for audio that is 00.03.17 Quit dan_a () 00.03.29 # don't even try to say something else in here :) 00.03.57 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.04.21 # goodbye 00.04.24 Part ste 00.05.17 # amiconn: recording went just fine (checked 4 min) 00.05.28 # cool 00.06.17 # playing a movie is glitchless too 00.06.35 # That doesn't use DMA... 00.06.51 # * petur slaps forehead 00.07.08 # jpeg viewer is ok too 00.07.15 Quit topbloke ("bye") 00.07.16 # Try to teach the DMA controller yuv->rgb conversion... 00.07.17 Join alphakiller [0] (n=bits@200.162.22.132) 00.07.18 # how close are we to getting rockbox to have video out...or to play .avi videos? 00.07.35 # petur: hmm? playing a movie? i thought rockbox only supports color/no audio and b&w/with audio? 00.07.48 # bgmrk: I wouldn't hold my breath. 00.07.57 # i was afraid u'd say that 00.08.00 # But eventually it'll happen 00.08.10 # ok 00.08.11 # So on the flip side: be patient 00.08.16 # will do! 00.08.21 # doom runs fine as well 00.08.38 # * petur tries to imagine other graph intense stuff 00.08.38 # i think we need to put a 3d engine onto the ipod 5g 00.08.42 # just to spice things up 00.09.03 # petur: fire (will stop playback though), plasma, oscilloscope in scrolling mode... 00.09.05 # petur: fire plugin 00.09.05 # bgmrk: ok, good luck :) 00.09.11 # haha thanx 00.09.12 # bgmrk: *points to Doom* 00.09.25 # thats not 3d 00.09.29 # 'we' -> are you going to implement it then? 00.09.31 # well kinda is... 00.09.31 # Yes, actually it is. 00.09.47 # but i mean...really 3D...like...3D bad guys 00.10.08 # Doom is one of the early 3D engines 00.10.20 # yea....but only the map is 3d 00.10.25 # enemies arne't 00.10.38 # aren't 00.10.43 # That doesn't make it not a 3D engine, it just makes it a 3D engine that uses 2D enemies. 00.11.12 # well....mr nerd... 00.11.23 # lets try to get a full 3d game onto an ipod 5g 00.11.38 # Feel free. 00.11.45 # like...zoo tycoon....or even a more basic game 00.11.54 # cause i dun think ipod could handle that game 00.12.31 # bgmrk: Zoo Tycoon is a fairly advanced game. The minimum requirements were a 233mhz Pentium. 00.12.43 # Start thinking in the "Quake 1" or "Descent" range. 00.12.46 Quit ender` (" I'm a complex person. I have a real and an imaginary part.") 00.12.47 # stunts 3d! 00.12.52 # lol 00.12.54 # or testdriver :) 00.12.56 # * Davide-NYC yawn 00.13.06 # well that was just the first game that came to mind...for some odd reason 00.14.13 # Descent 1 requires a 386/33 w/ 4mb RAM, technically the same as Doom2 00.14.14 # amiconn: everything looks just fine 00.15.04 # ok how about..sims 1...or....roller coaster tycoon 00.15.13 # gosh..it's good to dream 00.15.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> OT: does anybody know the Sonos system? 00.15.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> (home audio player net) 00.15.50 # bgmrk: You're dreaming the impossible kid. You keep picking games that require 3D acceleration *and* are in the semi-modern range. 00.16.01 # You need to think pre-DirectX, period. 00.16.10 # sims 1 isn't 3d...neither is roller coaster tycoon 1 00.16.30 # hehe, the menu of the vu-meter plugin runs in reverse (down moves up) :) 00.16.30 # Heretic should be possible. Perhaps even Hexen 00.16.37 # let's all think about 24bit/96kHz optical recording 00.16.39 # and neither are open-source, meaning you'd have to recreate them from scratch. 00.16.44 # bgmrk: Sims 1 used 3D acceleration. 00.16.58 # he probably means simcity 00.17.02 # * Davide-NYC dreams about 48volt balanced inputs with decent mic pres 00.17.05 # no i meant sims... 00.17.09 # just prob never noticed that 00.17.10 # It didn't require it, but it could make use 00.17.15 # And it did require DirectX 7 00.17.25 # * scorche shrugs 00.17.39 # simcity is painful on a 320x320 palm pilot with a stylus. It would be dreadful on a smaller screen w/o a touchscreen. 00.17.46 # There's also the point that Sims still sells, so the source isn't available. 00.17.55 # Soap: of course 00.18.03 # Soap: Simcity 1 ran at 320x240, didn't it? 00.18.08 # oo true....and that u could prob never control it well with an ipod 00.18.51 # Paul_the_Nerd: I think it ran at 640x480x16 (colors, not bits) 00.19.05 Quit qailer ("Leaving") 00.19.10 # Paul_the_Nerd: It might have, but that doesn't give you much real estate in view in your window. I don't think I ever ran it at less than 640x480, even on a 486. but I might be mistaken. 00.19.25 # VMWare back up! \o/ 00.19.32 # yeah...it required VGA 00.19.52 # Soap: I stopped playing it before I ever owned a 486. 00.19.56 # * petur thinks that starfield with high speed looks like a tv without signal 00.19.57 # http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/proj/sw/games/simcity1.html 00.20.08 # Davide-NYC: Is that possible on H100? (24bit/96khz rec) 00.20.10 # just port doom 00.20.21 # er 00.20.23 # i mean 00.20.24 # just port quake 00.20.26 # scorche: The screenshots I'm finding are exactly 320x200 00.20.38 # only games I ever had on my 386 were Doom and Ramparts. 00.20.43 # SimCity java port is available for a bunch of mobile phones 00.20.46 # Paul_the_Nerd: i dont know...but those requirements say VGA 00.20.49 # ze: a lot of floats.. 00.20.51 # scorche: I think it depended entirely on what platform you had. 00.21.02 # could be not the original and oen of the mentioned for other devices 00.21.06 # Genre9mp3: no. But maybe 20/96 00.21.12 # see 00.21.19 # bgmrk: bit late for this comment, but the sims themselves were 3D their houses, furniture, and everythin else was not 00.21.20 # definitely 16/88 00.21.34 # markun: yeah? why? and hasn't it already been ported to stuff that doesn't do floating-point? 00.21.34 # aren't we glad i have a good imagination..for us to get into these good convos 00.21.41 # * Davide-NYC dreams of an "ignore games" switch for IRC 00.21.41 # 20/96 etc is possible on iriver w/ spdif, but not analog 00.21.43 # not really 00.21.54 # adamkili: i realize that now..never noticed well playing though :) 00.21.55 # * Davide-NYC hugs his H1x0 00.21.59 # With anaolg we could do 20/44.1 00.22.01 # * Paul_the_Nerd thinks everything should go back to Audio discussion. 00.22.10 # (on iriver) 00.22.12 # * scorche seconds 00.22.15 # I (explitive) agree 00.22.23 # X5 should be capable of 20/88.2 00.22.26 # bgmrk: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/ <-- If you want a 3D engine, this is probably one of the few that will run, knock yourself out porting it. 00.22.47 # Davide-NYC: why don't you get/build a compact portable pre with balanced input and phantom power? 00.22.51 # amiconn: Thanks for the info 00.22.58 # amiconn: When the higher bitrate code settles down I predict it will become very hard to fine H1x0s anywhere 00.23.04 # But imho we shouldn't go 20bits as that substantially increases cpu load 00.23.09 # ze: like the denecke? 00.23.12 # yea i'll try that...once i learn what that is :p 00.23.19 # ze: http://www.pocketmatrix.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24819&sid=9388aa816ab4b8673678e454983759a9 00.23.39 # Davide-NYC: there's nice quality IC's available that're almost complete in and of themselves 00.23.40 # amiconn: how about constrining it to WAV recording only? 00.23.47 # 20bit can't use dma - and then there's probably not enough cpu power left for the codecs 00.23.50 # ze: linky please 00.24.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> goodnight! 00.24.41 # Davide-NYC: lemme find it 00.24.47 # otp 00.24.51 Quit [IDC]Dragon (" HydraIRC rocks! -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 00.26.04 # ne known way.....to make pacman not sideways on ipod 5g screen? 00.26.52 # bgmrk: Sure, turn the iPod 00.27.08 # i meant besides doing that 00.27.31 # Davide-NYC: http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=3080 00.27.53 # Is it really so bad to play it that way? 00.28.13 # with it pluged in and charging...just a little akward 00.28.20 # but...i guess i gotta live with it 00.28.45 # simply imagine not having it at all 00.28.55 # Yeah, you don't have to play it. 00.28.59 # ;) 00.29.07 # what's caption backlight? and rockbox developers: have you thought of adding an Info option to tell more about each of these cool features? 00.29.24 # switches on backlight on new song 00.29.42 # for a brief moment of course 00.29.59 # AdamKili: There is an info option, it's just cleverly disguised as a manual. 00.30.15 # that too, yes 00.31.02 # well u don't always want to search through the manual just for a short description of a feature, and u don't always have the manual with you 00.31.15 Join leftright [0] (n=leftrigh@pc3.naritaanah-unet.ocn.ne.jp) 00.31.25 # yes you do, it's online 00.31.40 # you always have the manual with you when you're asking here. :) 00.32.14 # when ur outside or wherever u don't have it with you 00.32.22 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 00.32.48 # the firewall at the hotel that i'm staying in wont allow me to download builds, says, Java/ActiveX/Exe component has been blocked by Netscreen Firewall, anyone know how i can get around this ? 00.33.04 # lol 00.33.06 # wait till u get hom 00.33.09 # home 00.33.22 # nah, thats a week away 00.33.29 # do u really need the newest build that bdly? 00.33.31 # badly 00.33.36 # AdamKili: Yes, but you can read the manual, and then if you don't remember what some features do, clearly just don't use them until you can look 'em up. They must not be that important if it didn't stick. 00.33.55 # leftright: which one do you want? 00.34.11 # JB-R v1 please 00.34.17 # link? 00.34.52 # i got WAY to many coffee crisps for halloween this year 00.35.18 # (under breath) it'd be more user friendly if it had a Info option..... 00.35.28 # it does 00.35.31 # petur, sorry, but I dont understand what you mean by link / 00.35.51 # link to the build you wanted 00.35.54 # AdamKili: Are you willing to sacrifice battery life for it? 00.36.06 # err, i cant get it, wont allow me to open that page 00.36.09 # Something that you'll only really use early on. 00.36.17 # ... 00.36.21 # is that archos recorder v1? 00.36.26 # Archos Jukebox Recorder v1 00.36.41 # bleeding edge would be nice 00.36.55 # no not really i'll live with it 00.37.39 # AdamKili: That's one thing new options cost, they all decrease the size of the audio buffer (though this one could be done in a way where there's just a disk spin-up associated with it) but in the end, if you really want to be able to look things up on the fly, why not just print out the manual? 00.37.46 # leftright: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/rockbox.dat 00.37.55 # many thanks kind sir 00.38.29 # no problem bud! 00.39.50 # seems you got it 00.40.01 # yes thanks, hah, now i can play with my new/old recorder 00.40.37 # * leftright gives hotels firewall the finger 00.43.06 # * bgmrk laughs at the poor firewalll 00.43.22 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa165.1.tellas.gr) 00.45.06 Part Mattski 00.50.42 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.58.40 # ahhh, i wont be able to flash this AJB-R v1 it says M=?? D=?? thats a shame 00.59.03 # guys if I wanted to upgrade make. I download the source. I unzip, untar the source 00.59.21 # I cd into the folder and run ./configure 00.59.37 # configure runs OK (seemingly) 00.59.47 # do I just do a make install now? 01.01.02 # scorche: help me out scorche? 01.02.33 # OK I ran make install 01.02.36 # errors 01.02.41 # I ran make, then make install 01.02.55 # wanna see the errors? 01.02.58 # ;-) 01.03.20 # I need to be root? 01.04.04 # Yes - if you didn't pass your own --prefix to configure. 01.04.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.04.26 # I think I've found a bug. When disabling the scrollbar it looks good, but when you also enable the "display current directory name", the file list is indented, just like when there's a scrollbar 01.04.29 # that seemed to have worked 01.04.38 # do I need to reboot? 01.04.47 # (virtually) 01.04.58 # what's the best way to poll for a key in a worker loop? 01.05.19 Quit _aLF ("^^") 01.06.12 # linuxstb: do I need to move some files? 01.06.24 # * petur doesn't understand the use of the extra bool variable in action_userabort() 01.06.26 # I'm still compiling with make < 3.81 01.06.43 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.07.02 # JdGordon: what's the best way to poll for a key in a worker loop? 01.07.18 # get_action() 01.07.37 # would action_userabort(0) do fine to detect stop? 01.07.45 # yup 01.07.49 # k 01.07.52 # thats what its for :) 01.08.22 # btw, why the extra bool in that function? 01.08.41 # (action.c line 206) 01.09.16 # um.. yeah, not really needed is it 01.11.14 # what is the --prefix option all about? 01.11.49 # amiconn: is there any way to flash a unit which shows M=?? and D=?? without replacing the chip ? 01.12.49 # nope 01.13.06 # Davide-NYC: You probably have the old make in /usr/bin and the new one in /usr/local/bin - so either delete the one in /usr/bin, or change the order of the directories in $PATH 01.13.11 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.13.14 # thanks 01.15.57 Nick RogerBacon is now known as RogerBaconAW (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177840109.dsl.bell.ca) 01.17.37 Quit AdamKili ("Ex-Chat") 01.17.40 # you're prob right, the only thing in /usr/local/bin is make 01.17.53 # I try to rename the other by rename make make.old 01.18.09 # and I get an error::: Bareword "make" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1 01.18.35 # how do i circumvent this cryptic 'strict subs' 01.18.44 Part leftright 01.19.15 # got it, used mv 01.20.06 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.20.53 # success! 01.20.56 # :-) 01.21.09 Quit mirak (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.21.15 Join mechanori [0] (n=mammothM@ool-44c150a2.dyn.optonline.net) 01.21.35 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 01.21.59 # amiconn: now that my env is all ready to go, where can I find the DMA patch? 01.22.03 # :-) 01.22.27 # Link is still valid... 01.22.30 # Davide-NYC: look in the log, some time (hours) ago 01.22.42 Quit alberink (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.55 # l 01.22.59 # k 01.23.11 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/h300_lcd_dma.diff 01.23.56 # * scorche is pleased to see that the teaching by igoring the person and letting them work it out themselves worked ;) 01.24.20 # One thing isn't perfect in the patch - lcd_write_data() will be removed from lcd-as-h300.S before commit 01.25.01 # It's just that my main working copy contains more changes in that file 01.25.30 # amiconn: nice nude Ondio pic ;) 01.25.51 # haha, that old one... 01.27.17 # This was the first successful read from the flash chip (CID register) 01.27.28 # nice. 01.27.31 # RB history 01.28.15 # oh... it has historic value then 01.28.49 # Yes, and the date is even documented within the pic... 01.29.08 # the h300-lcd patch is only for h300? 01.29.14 # yes 01.29.17 # or also h100? 01.29.17 # the build date, yes? 01.29.23 # Genre9mp3: yup 01.30.38 # Genre9mp3: Btw, the little chip right to the round part marked "220" (very close to the MMC slot) is the little power sucker when things went wrong... 01.31.14 # I see... 01.31.28 # good to know.. 01.31.48 # but know I have a "healthy" Ondio FM too! :) 01.32.02 # I know 01.32.21 # * amiconn also has both an SP and an FM 01.32.32 # The one in the picture is the SP 01.32.49 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.32.59 # we both have a faulty SP and an FM :) 01.33.17 # ...identifiable by the missing microphone (below the lower right corner of the lcd) 01.33.39 # yes 01.34.02 # and by the lack of the jack input on the top right corner 01.35.09 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-41.net-81-220-108.rev.numericable.fr) 01.35.33 # btw, the power sucker chips is indeed pretty tiny :/ 01.35.38 # chip 01.36.55 # so if I want to include the framerate plugin I add it in apps/SOURCES or apps/plugins/SOURCES? 01.37.22 # apps/plugins/Sources 01.37.24 # plugins 01.38.25 # anywhere or should it be inside a particulare ifdef? 01.38.44 # amiconn: i was thinkign last night about shriking the binary size again, and apart from some fiddling with menus, i think it would be eas-ish to move the wps code to a plugin for some targets... do you rekon its really not wanted? 01.39.01 # anywhere...outside of an ifdef 01.39.03 # Davide-NYC: Probably the have bitmap lcd one. 01.39.13 # either way.. 01.39.21 # scorche: Does it compile/run for player? 01.39.43 # i dont know...but he wont be testing it on one 01.39.44 # all it would involve (to the wps code) is adding lots of #defines to put rb-> infornt of all the function calls, and some fiddling so main_menu() doesnt get called. and a tsr plugin to do the work 01.39.46 # Playback is core functionality for rockbox... so wps is surely core 01.40.05 # I love the twiki 01.40.10 # sure, but you cant be in a wps and plugin at the same time 01.40.23 # tsr plugins? 01.40.28 # Terminate and Stay Resident. 01.40.35 # Right? 01.40.38 # yes 01.40.47 # Like the battery bench 01.40.49 # petur: so it can be exited and restarted without reloading the .rock 01.40.59 # JdGordon: Imo it's definitely unwanted to make wps a plugin. Besides, how would you run a battery bench then? 01.41.04 # amiconn: Would it be a problem if it's user-transparent? 01.41.30 # amiconn: umm.. well you wouldnt.. and yeah, the user would never know 01.41.42 # The wps code is in severe need of cleanup though, perhaps even a rewrite 01.41.45 # im only suggesting this for targets which would need it.. 01.43.12 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.44.03 # I think the idea of keeping old WPSes compatible should drop if there's to be a rewrite. 01.44.55 # sure... drop backwards compatibilty for wps.. but not cfg files where the saving is much more.... :'( 01.46.01 Quit Drumr (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.46.12 Join MadCow [0] (i=459e7cf0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.46.18 # Paul_the_Nerd: bah.... wouldn't do that unless there's a conversion tool 01.46.44 # petur: I didn't mean it quite the way it came out. I more meant that it shouldn't be considered essential that they be backward compatible. 01.46.54 # But a conversion tool for that seems reasonable anyway. 01.47.19 # iirc there is someone who is recoding the wps, and i think they are keeping it compatible 01.47.26 # cant remmeber who tho 01.47.37 # JdGordon: Your suggestion for .cfg does not only break backwards compatibility, it breaks compatibility to itself 01.47.56 # hehe :D that makes it fun 01.48.24 # anyway, i guess i better do some studying today, ttyl 01.48.24 # I just can't see multifont, arbitrary positioning, or viewports, working as efficiently as they can while still jumping through hoops for compatiblity. 01.48.47 # I'm gonna go live witht he h300-lcd diff at the office for a while 01.48.55 # I'll report back if anything seems awry 01.48.57 # later 01.49.06 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 01.49.41 # Paul_the_Nerd: yes, wps rewrite should only be done once we get viewports and stuff 01.49.51 # Iirc your idea is using the .lng strings for settings & values. That breaks whenever a .lng string changes, it breaks when the user changes language (and btw requires special handling for the language setting to avoid a hen-egg problem), and it breaks cross-target compatiility whenever the same option uses different per-target strings 01.49.52 # Or be done with those in mind. 01.51.19 # wow... Ms released CE 6 with full source 01.51.34 # Yup 01.51.41 # Well, not *full* 01.51.53 # I read there were still some driver-related things and such left out. 01.51.58 # kernel source then 01.52.03 # Yep. 01.52.45 # With a certainly viral license that probably says something like "Once you've read our code, you can't publish anything remotely similar" 01.53.24 # I can understand that 01.54.22 Join webguest04 [0] (i=864c0307@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.54.39 # bed time... 01.54.46 Quit petur ("ZzzZzz") 01.56.43 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 01.59.30 Quit jaebird_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.59.42 Join jaebird_ [0] (n=jae@38.96.210.3) 02.01.17 Quit webguest04 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.02.24 Quit barrywardell () 02.02.40 Quit jaebird_ (Client Quit) 02.02.54 Join jaebird_ [0] (n=jae@38.96.210.3) 02.03.13 # amiconn: yeah, i was being annoying, its 99.9% backwards compatible as of a month ago or something 02.03.59 # I wouldn't like my settings to vanish when switchingGgerman<->English 02.04.18 # the way it worked was it always used the english 02.04.51 # "and it breaks cross-target compatiility whenever the same option uses different per-target strings" <- 100% valid, and wasnt mentioned untill now 02.07.22 # amiconn: last thing before i run off again, whats the story with moving sh to target tree? would you rather i didnt touch it? 02.07.34 Quit MadCow ("CGI:IRC") 02.10.18 Join mechanor [0] (n=mammothM@ool-44c150a2.dyn.optonline.net) 02.12.00 # Hmm. 02.12.05 # * amiconn is undecided 02.12.19 # The iriver target tree move isn't complete either 02.12.35 Nick jaebird_ is now known as jaebird (n=jae@38.96.210.3) 02.13.28 # yes, but anything that has been ifdefed out by TARGET_TREE for iriver has been, if we get all the targets across, atleast to that point, it would be easier to move more parts of the code across 02.14.00 # Hmm, probably 02.14.04 # i.e we can get rid of the #define completly and delete lots of uneeded code 02.14.16 # Some code should also be changed *before* doing the target tree move 02.14.36 # oh? 02.14.42 # (e.g. the lcd drivers - there's a large part of the code that is common between all incarnations) 02.15.18 # ok, but the lcd stuff hasnt been TARGET_TREE'ed yet anyway 02.15.33 # No, not yet 02.15.43 # its only ata, adc, backlight, buttons, usb and power which need to be moved currently 02.16.42 Quit jaebird (Nick collision from services.) 02.16.59 # so, yeah, im happy to do the grunt work and get them all compiling, but i cant test it on any targets 02.17.02 Join jaebird_ [0] (n=jae@38.96.210.3) 02.20.04 Quit mechanori (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.21.42 Quit bgmrk () 02.28.08 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 02.29.10 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.209.203) 02.30.11 Join mechanori [0] (n=mammothM@ool-44c150a2.dyn.optonline.net) 02.31.17 Quit mechanor (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.34.45 Join menosm__ [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa2e2.dsl.mindspring.com) 02.34.47 Nick menosm__ is now known as menosm (n=chatzill@user-11fa2e2.dsl.mindspring.com) 02.35.11 Join Mattski [0] (n=Mattski@203.27.217.164) 02.35.27 Part Mattski 02.37.27 Join Myipod [0] (n=vshuguan@219.134.180.32) 02.48.25 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.52.59 Quit menosm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.53.24 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 02.58.30 Quit mechanori (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.04.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.04.38 Quit alphakiller () 03.05.43 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 03.07.05 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-79-221-253.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 03.09.57 Quit RogerBaconAW (Client Quit) 03.12.45 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 03.14.28 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 03.27.17 Quit menosm ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 03.34.28 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 03.36.48 Join menosm [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa2e2.dsl.mindspring.com) 03.41.43 Part pixelma 03.42.25 Join menosm_ [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa2e2.dsl.mindspring.com) 03.44.24 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.53.23 Join scuba [0] (i=cb1c9faa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 03.56.57 Quit menosm (Connection timed out) 03.58.04 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.58.31 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p549874B9.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.25.40 Join AdamKili [0] (n=adam@71-213-191-218.albq.qwest.net) 04.31.48 # has anyone installd iPodLinux and Rockbox on the iPod 5G? i asked in the iPodLinux channel but not very many people are there 04.32.42 # i a sure that someone, somewhere has done it before... 04.32.59 # someone here, right now? 04.33.14 # you didnt ask for that ;) 04.33.41 # typically, it is best to just come out with your question instead of asking preliminary questions 04.33.56 # AdamKili: I've done it on an iPod Nano. 04.34.48 # ok scorche. Paul i want to do it on 5G...should i just try the ipodlinux installer and see if it works? 04.34.58 # That's not a decision we can make for you. 04.35.10 # It *should* work, but it's their installer so clearly we don't provide support if it fails. 04.35.41 # and paul, did u get videos working on the nano? i saw a video of the nano playing videos 04.35.48 # on youtube 04.36.08 # Video plays in Rockbox. Audio in video isn't supported yet. 04.36.51 # ya i know that already, but does audio work for ipodlinux? since u have firsthand experience.... 04.37.38 # I have experience *installing* it 04.37.40 # I didn't use it. 04.37.58 # I helped get the Rockbox bootloader working, and part of testing was to make sure it could successfully load iPodLinux. 04.40.29 # oh cool thanks for developing such a cool bootloader for such cool firmware. is there anyway there'll be a graphical bootloader in the future that looks better than the text one? or at least a logo at the top or something? 04.41.21 # There may be one without debug text, once it's final. Possibly. 04.41.35 # maybe 04.41.47 # But I don't think there's a lot of interest in bothering. ;) 04.41.55 # possibly 04.41.56 # * scorche loves text 04.42.24 # I'm happy with the text output, it tells me things. 04.42.45 # indeed 04.43.33 Quit joecool ("goin on wire") 04.49.44 # aliask: so much for the drought aye? :p 04.49.54 # Yeah, it's good 04.50.02 # Lucky I didn't have to go anywhere... 04.51.05 # http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR023.loop.shtml its not gonna last much longer 04.53.57 # Yeah, almost all gone 04.54.26 # But that feed isn't really that reliable - the edges of the map never have cloud, even if there is 04.55.00 # its close enough 04.55.20 # its good for checking things close... my dad checks it religiously. 04.55.56 # it would be nice if it had the damns on the map so we couild see if the rain was over it 04.56.08 # Yeah, that would be an excellent feature. 04.56.42 # http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDV65752.shtml lol 04.57.55 # The State Emergency Service advises that people should keep clear of fallen power lines 04.58.15 # * scorche would like to have a miniature kangaroo as a pet if one exists 04.58.36 # Wallaby 04.58.39 # scorche: $250 plus post 04.59.07 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@222.76.229.178) 04.59.11 # but then again, i would feel bad for the poor thing going throguh the shipping 04.59.44 # aliask: cool, melbournewater.com.au have hourly updates on the damns... 04.59.55 # 7.23mm since 9am today in upper yarra 05.00.10 # Thats about as much as we got for the entire of last month. 05.00.46 # the thomson has had only 1mm tho, which sux 05.01.09 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 05.02.08 # Change since yesterday: 877ML 05.02.17 # Erm, -877ML 05.02.29 # yeah, +877 and there wouldnt be a problem 05.03.39 # Do you know where it is? 05.03.57 # baw baw aparently, dunno where that is tho 05.04.18 # Don't know Mount Baw Baw? 05.04.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.05.43 # w00t for google maps :p 05.05.58 # Can you see the dam? 05.07.23 # I think the damn is the bit of blue right on the 2nd circle in the 256km melbourne radar slightly to the left of dargo 05.07.36 # so the rain wil hopefully be over then in an hour 05.07.50 # Well we can watch it now. 05.08.00 # http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=thomson+dam,+australia&ie=UTF8&z=10&ll=-37.726194,146.638641&spn=0.486615,1.384277&om=1 05.08.48 # doh! the blue i thought was the damn was rain, or its covered in cloud now... its in that general area anyway 05.09.03 Join Macman [0] (n=conniesy@CPE-65-30-155-32.wi.res.rr.com) 05.09.24 # * JdGordon loves not studying :p 05.09.37 # Got methods tomorrow :) 05.10.05 # :) did u do spesh? 05.10.10 # Nope 05.10.24 # ok, it makes merthods so much easier :) 05.10.37 # Yeah, but I'd rather not have to deal with 4 maths exams. 05.10.46 # yeah, that does suck 05.10.52 # Sorry to interupt you, but I am having troubles installing Rockbox to my iPod nano from a mac 05.11.02 # Macman: What trouble are you having? 05.11.21 # just coz he joiins he must have trouble? 05.11.48 # JdGordon: He did ask a question. :-P 05.11.51 # I'm using the terminal and selecting my floder with the .bins in it and terminal says "permission denied" 05.11.58 # *folder 05.12.02 # hehe woops 05.12.09 # * JdGordon hides 05.12.10 # Macman: What do you mean by "selecting"? 05.12.17 Quit AdamKili ("Ex-Chat") 05.12.37 # locating it, by draging in into terminal to get it locating 05.12.40 # http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDX1374.shtml <- cool :) 05.12.41 # *location 05.13.05 # So, you're dragging it into terminal, and getting permission denied? 05.13.08 # JdGordon: Awesome! 05.13.12 # yes 05.13.22 # and I tryed typing it in also 05.13.29 # Does dragging folders into terminal normally work? 05.13.48 # It doesn't seem like a very normal thing to do, but then, I don't use a mac normally. 05.13.59 # I don't really use terminal that much, so I'm not quite sure 05.14.19 # It really sounds like the question you have is more "How do I use terminal" than an actual question relating to the Rockbox installation. 05.14.29 # The latter of which I can help you more with, the former not so much since I don't use macs. 05.15.19 # well, I am following the intructions to rockbox, I don't particuarly care for terminal 05.16.30 # Macman: Well our instructions tend to assume that you know the fundamentals of using your computer, including Terminal/Command Line fundamentals. 05.16.57 # ahh.. that would be where I am lacking. 05.18.24 # I have tryed python, c++, and applescript, but failed miserably. 05.22.40 Quit Macman () 05.23.22 # * Paul_the_Nerd isn't really sure people who can't google how to user the terminal / command line should be replacing firmware on their DAPs. 05.32.40 # join#gigabeat 05.33.25 Join joecool [0] (n=joecool@no-sources/joecool) 05.34.17 # OK guys, as you can see I've never done IRC before... how do I join the #gigabeat room? 05.35.43 # /join #gigabeat 05.37.18 # Like so?? guess I'll find out 05.38.23 # Looks like the gigabeat stuff is gaining a bit of attention. 05.38.46 # and you want to get an s60!... shame on you!!! 05.38.56 # * JdGordon realy should be studying :'( 05.39.21 # not just want to...i think he already got it ;) 05.39.47 # Yep, money's down. 05.39.55 # Is it likely I have to be a registered member/user to access any deeper than here?? In my status window (using the CGI:IRC on the Rockbox website) I'm being told "Access to channel #gigabeat is blocked" 05.40.17 # The web client will only access #rockbox 05.40.22 # CGI:IRC limits you to only this channel 05.40.29 # * scorche snaps his finger 05.40.37 # Grab chatzilla if you run firefox, it's quite convenient 05.41.27 # I'm accessing from work, and Chatzilla doesn't want to be friends with our firewall. 05.41.37 # Ah... 05.41.57 # do a search for cgi:irc portal, there are heaps of ones which give u full irc access 05.42.25 # "CGI:IRC Login" works a bit better 05.45.16 Quit aliask (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.45.43 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.48.20 Join Teknomancer [0] (n=Teknoman@125.22.137.47) 05.50.00 Quit Teknomancer (Client Quit) 05.52.58 Join Teknomancer [0] (n=Teknoman@125.22.137.47) 05.54.37 # aliask: I've been reading the #gigabeat logs for a fortnight or so now, they're making good progress and I'm getting excited (although I recognise they're still probably a month away from a working alpha) 05.54.58 # Yes, it's getting quite interesting at the moment. 05.55.14 # fg 05.55.21 # Oops, wrong screen... :) 05.59.58 # work is finished for me, I'm off...will try logging into #gigabeat tomorrow.. Thanks for the assistance guys. 06.01.19 Quit scuba ("CGI:IRC") 06.06.08 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 06.07.15 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.16.01 Quit midkay ("*poff*") 06.23.13 Quit funky ("leaving") 06.54.36 # found a big problem in playback.c with encoder loading and I wonder if someone more familiar with that has a suggestion. The recording screen was hanging when loading the encoder and I have the steps leading to the problem listed ready to just paste up. anyone want to see it? 06.58.03 Join Deef [0] (n=sdf@203-59-106-60.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.58.06 # * jhMikeS asks BTW because it involves the way playback functions do things 06.58.44 # I think I am going to make a newbie post 06.58.58 # Along the lines of "Can someone please change this this and this" 06.59.45 # Can anyone point me to a guide for WPS customising? 06.59.50 # wiki 07.01.44 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.02.44 # ah 07.02.48 # The twiki 07.02.53 # Deef: Try the CustomWps page. 07.03.37 # Got 07.03.39 # Cheers 07.04.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.32 # Fine, I'll keep it to myself :P Not just a recording bug BTW 07.05.53 # jhMikeS: You do realize, very very few people who can help you are here/awake at this time? 07.05.54 # :-P 07.06.22 # My h340 crashed twice last night during untouched playback 07.06.51 # Paul_the_Nerd: no, I don't really...but your speaking out is appreciated 07.07.18 # jhMikeS: At about this time, the majority of people you'd want are sleeping. 07.07.42 # Deef: What do you mean by "crashed" since the definition seems mostly fungible. 07.07.47 # * jhMikeS asks "where's the minority?" 07.07.47 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.08.02 # oh 07.08.03 # froze 07.08.04 # jhMikeS: Not here by random chance. :-P 07.08.11 # jhMikeS: your best bet is the mailing list, or wait about 2 hours or so 07.08.17 # Frozen about 15-20 times in 3 days actually 07.08.26 # But I've been hammering it alot 07.09.16 # Its never been frustrating, but if its going to start crashing when I'm not touching it.. that could get annoying 07.10.07 # probably just wait. I forget who mainly concers themselves with it. pondlife and...damn, can't remember who else 07.10.07 # So far its not a real problem 07.10.36 # Deef: Generally speaking, the best plan is to get a bleeding edge official build, figure out how to reproduce the freeze, and post a bug report 07.10.41 # So we can actually try to fix it. 07.10.54 # ah heh 07.11.11 # even if I fix it for recording (easy) it may still be affecting playback...just for the IRC log :) 07.11.12 # If ours aren't freezing, and yours is, you have information we don't. 07.11.38 # Once it starts greatly annoying me I will consider that 07.13.22 # * Paul_the_Nerd sighs. 07.20.20 Nick joecool is now known as joecool|sleep (n=joecool@no-sources/joecool) 07.30.14 # yay.. i now have a nice cvs checkout script instead of 2 sucky ones :D 07.59.36 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 08.06.09 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 08.06.17 Quit Teknomancer (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 08.06.17 Quit Sinbios (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 Quit midgey34 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 Quit Slasheri (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 Quit hcs (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 Quit Strath (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 Quit Galois (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 Quit pill (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 Quit Presence (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 Quit pabs (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.17 Quit dark (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.06.19 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 08.06.19 NJoin Presence [0] (n=presence@66.239.107.163.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.06.19 NJoin pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 08.06.20 NJoin Sinbios [0] (i=Sinbios@dsl-10-136-102.b2b2c.ca) 08.06.25 NJoin Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 08.06.27 NJoin pill [0] (i=pill@loves.voltshells.com) 08.06.38 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@67.47.254.230) 08.06.39 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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I'll test. 08.40.20 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 08.40.33 Quit Davide-NYC (Client Quit) 08.45.01 # hmmm...was already fixing it :P 08.47.44 # Never knew USB 1.1 was that slow 08.48.15 # a whopping 12mb/s or sometihng 08.48.24 # The h340 took around 10 minutes to pull a directory off my camera 09.03.31 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@80.7.0.230) 09.04.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.05.46 # jhMikeS: Did you resolve your encoder loading issue? I don't know much about the encoder stuff per se,. but will help if possible. 09.06.20 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.06.47 # Also just committed a change which might help when you want to ensure that playback has really stopped after calling audio_stop(). 09.06.48 Quit Sinbios (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.07.45 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.07.45 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 09.07.49 # pondlife: sure did 09.08.01 # Cool 09.08.28 # I made the audio thread send the Q_ENCODER_LOAD_DISK to the codec thread so Q_AUDIO stop is always processed before the attempting to load the encoder 09.08.51 # Hmm, have a look at my last commit... It may help, or may have broken that!! 09.09.30 # audio_stop() now waits until the audio queue is empty. 09.10.02 # Seems to work well here, as I needed to ensure that all processing was complete before resizing buffers. 09.10.08 # There's new message Q_AUDIO_LOAD_ENCODER and the codec thread normally only receives messages from the audio thread. audio_load_encoder was bypassing that. 09.10.40 Join matsl_ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 09.10.48 # You committed the patch you put up? 09.10.53 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 09.10.53 # Which one? 09.11.15 # The audio_stop() mod is committed 09.11.15 # Oh, wait. I was thinking the pause/skip/resume one 09.11.35 # Ah, not yet. I want to simplify that but it's awaiting on a sim fix. 09.11.43 # Otherwise it breaks the sim. 09.11.51 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 09.11.57 # Currently it works fine on all, but is over-complex. 09.12.46 # did you just put that change in? 09.12.59 # The audio_stop() one, yes. 09.13.26 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.13.54 # I'll do a cvs up on the recording changes, resolve and conflicts and check it. 09.14.35 # Thanks. It doesn't break the current CVS recording - might even have helped the occasional time when going into the recording screen freezes on my H340. 09.14.48 # If you have time, I'd be very grateful if you could look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6267. 09.15.09 # I have the steps listed that lead to that ready to past if you want to see. 09.15.23 Join Acorn [0] (n=irc@82-35-97-118.cable.ubr05.dals.blueyonder.co.uk) 09.15.25 # I may have solved the true reason: timing 09.15.35 # Go on... 09.15.44 # Went like this: 09.15.46 # audio_stop queues Q_AUDIO_STOP to audio thread 09.15.46 # audio_set_recording_options calls audio_load_encoder which queues Q_ENCODER_LOAD_DISK 09.15.46 # Q_ENCODER_LOAD_DISK is dequeued which sets ci.stop_codec to false 09.15.46 DBUG Enqueued KICK jhMikeS 09.15.46 # codec_load_file calls file apis which yield 09.15.46 # Q_AUDIO_STOP is dequeued by audio thread waiting inside file api 09.15.47 *** Alert Mode level 1 09.15.47 # audio_stop_playback is called which calls audio_stop_codec_flush 09.15.49 # audio_stop_codec_flush sets ci.stop_codec to true <== 09.15.51 # hey! what do you call an ablum again that has lots of artists? 09.15.51 # file apis finish loading encoder and encoder entry point is called 09.15.53 # encoder sees ci.stop_codec is true and exits with CODEC_OK leaving ci.enc_codec_loaded == 0 09.15.55 # call to audio_load_codec inside audio_set_recording_options hangs forever 09.16.07 # jhMikeS: Pastebin, por favor. 09.16.35 # jhMikeS: I think the new audio_stop() will have changed that sequence somewhat anyway. 09.16.36 # Paul_the_Nerd: ok :D 09.17.03 # What do people call their folder that has albums by multiple artists? 09.17.04 # I had a similar problem with the codec firing after stop and attempting to trigger buffering. 09.17.26 # Acorn: whatever you like 09.17.29 # Acorn: You can name folders whatever you'd like... 09.17.43 # petur: I just can't remember that word ;_; 09.17.49 # Various? 09.17.53 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.17.53 # * pondlife uses "(Compilations)" 09.17.59 # various artists? 09.18.00 # Brackets keep it at the top 09.18.13 # pondlife: clever 09.18.13 # Doing it on the audio thread makes it safe and ensures the proper sequence is observed. 09.18.26 # 'V' keeps it at the bottom :) 09.18.35 # Hmm, what about ZZ Top? 09.18.51 # hmmm...conflicts in playback.c, plugin.c and plugin.h 09.18.55 # does a "." come first? 09.19.02 # plugin.c? 09.19.11 # Something that starts with a . is hidden 09.19.25 # oh.. probably best not to use that then :D 09.19.42 # There will be more conflicts in playback.c soon. I intend to rename the audio_.. routines that are not on the audio thread. Will rename them to be playback_... 09.19.48 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.20.42 # * pondlife dreams of the day that playback.c can be split into playback/playbackaudio/playbackcodec/playbackvoice.c or somesuch. 09.21.01 # There was a change, I think JdGordon. 09.21.23 # Ah, yes 09.21.27 # only playback.c conflict was in audio_set_crossfade 09.21.33 # That's me. 09.21.42 Quit bawb2 ("seacrest out!") 09.21.43 # don't know why, didn't change it 09.22.08 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 09.22.20 # to just if(was_playing) audio_play(offset); ? 09.23.04 # I did that. Rather than start posting messages, I thought it simpler to just simulate a stop and play. 09.24.42 # The panic handler on the H340 seems to prefer booting back into the RetailOS, rather than Rockbox. Wonder why? 09.25.15 # pondlife? 09.25.24 # pondlife: possibly a security precaution 09.25.37 # It's a PITA 09.25.48 *** Alert Mode OFF 09.25.51 # well, if the crash was in the bootloader, you'd be glad it does that ;-) 09.25.52 # is that the one that prints the PDIR1FULL etc.. messages? 09.25.56 # audio_play posts a Q_AUDIO_STOP which has already been done 09.25.57 # Each cycle of the iRiver firmware takes ages 09.26.04 # Bagder: Good point! 09.26.30 # I'm getting plenty of panics with queue overflows still. 09.26.36 # Mainly after using USB 09.27.21 # Why, cause thread can't dequeue their messages during connect? 09.27.32 # Maybe 09.28.12 # I'm starting to think that queue_post() should block if a queue is full. Wonder if that would work...? 09.29.40 # could reveal some interesting things maybe 09.30.06 # Well, if you put the "panic on queue overflow" patch in, that certainly reveals problems 09.30.27 # hrm...how much does it happen? 09.30.52 # Quite often. Try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6259 for yourself.? 09.31.30 # Normal playback is ok, it's when you do other things at the same time. Our queue depths are just not deep enough it seems. 09.32.02 # The only reproducible one I have left is shutting down during playback (on H340). 09.32.11 # Am looking into that right now. 09.32.25 Quit Acorn () 09.33.53 # Gotta fix the conflicts in plugin.h/c first :) 09.33.59 # jhMikeS: Is the Q_AUDIO_STOP in audio_play() a problem for you? It shouldn't cause trouble. 09.34.09 # no 09.34.12 # Good 09.34.53 Quit dan_a () 09.35.18 # snowy weather in Sweden it seems 09.35.37 # Just frosty in England 09.35.47 # First time today 09.35.50 # * jhMikeS wishes we had some snow going on in Michigan 09.36.00 # * Paul_the_Nerd wonders when the next time he'll see snow will be. 09.36.21 # * pondlife pops over to Sweden, makes snowballs and throws them at jhMikeS and Paul_The_Nerd 09.36.30 # * pondlife ducks 09.37.02 # * scorche attempts to pop over to sweden but fails 09.37.17 # I haven't seen it snow in like, 10 years. 09.37.39 # You should get out more..? 09.37.44 # First time I saw it snow was in Germany when I was like, 7ish? And I've seen snow fall from the sky 3 times since then 09.37.45 # we have lots of it now 09.37.51 # -7C this morning, snow all over 09.38.00 # * petur saw it in the news 09.38.00 # I went to Switzerland in Feb once, and apparently it was the warmest Feb they'd had in like, 5 years. 09.38.07 # No snow at all? 09.38.18 # In Switzerland, I mean 09.38.31 # There was snow on the ground 09.38.41 # But they were resorting to machines to repopulate the melting slopes. 09.39.11 # If you want unnaturally warm weather, invite me somewhere 09.39.13 # hrm...is there a compentency test like the SAT or ACT for europe? 09.39.44 # Paul_the_Nerd: Please visit me 09.39.59 # I'm not a cold weather person. 09.40.13 # Paul_the_Nerd: please stay away ;) 09.40.16 # Hahaha 09.40.17 # Need to get the heating fixed too! 09.40.33 # It's just barely 'cool' here, but then, it's kinda regular for the season here in Texas 09.41.10 # anyone?...Bueller? 09.41.11 # * jhMikeS has no snowballs around to return :( 09.41.40 # It seems to snow here about once every 4 or 5 years. 09.41.47 # scorche: competence for what? 09.41.51 # SAT? What's that? 09.42.17 # Scholastic Aptitude Test 09.42.55 # I guess we have GCSEs (or O Levels when I did them) and A Levels. 09.43.31 # * pondlife gives his age away :( 09.43.53 # * jhMikeS wouldn't know what age that indicates 09.44.14 # http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/20/newsid_2516000/2516847.stm 09.44.30 # haha 09.44.46 # Don't laugh 09.44.49 # * jhMikeS feels younger 09.44.57 # you must be older than me 09.45.02 # * pondlife should find friends his own age 09.45.12 # "Internationally, there is little interest or knowledge of the SAT, because other countries usually have their own standardized tests." 09.45.15 # I wonder who's the oldest regular 09.45.28 # I'm from 1970. 09.45.29 # * Paul_the_Nerd on average can't stand friends his own age. 09.45.39 # hey pondlife! 09.45.39 # I'm 35 so I don't know where that puts me on the spectrum overall (1971) 09.45.40 # * scorche cant either 09.45.44 # ah I'm a 1970 too 09.45.45 # I'm probably toward the younger end 09.45.48 # '83 09.45.52 # * petur is 70's too 09.45.57 # Rasher: We need a new page - how old are Rockboxers 09.45.58 # groovy 09.46.02 # i am most definitely toward the younger end =) 09.46.03 # '85, and tired 09.46.03 # petur: ? 09.46.08 # Written on parchment 09.46.22 # pondlife: same age 09.46.34 # Bagder: do you know of anything? 09.46.43 # Looks like 1970 is year zero for Rockboxers 09.46.47 # Like UNIX 09.46.53 # scorche: I think european countries have their own sets of such tests 09.47.03 # scorche: Each country has it's own tests. 09.47.08 # pondlife: except for LinusN... 09.47.12 # Ahaa! 09.47.19 # Bagder: well, what does sweden have?...what is why i am asking anyway =P 09.47.21 # He's year -2 09.47.31 # s/what/that 09.48.03 # Swedish Aptitiude Test 09.48.10 # * pondlife failed spelling 09.48.39 # "Swedish Scholastic Aptitude Test (SweSAT)" apparently 09.49.02 # Would anyone object if I went on a playback interface renaming frenzy? All those audio_ routines annoy me. 09.49.06 # I've never seen the english name for it before 09.49.19 # What is it in swedish? 09.49.29 # pondlife: like what? 09.49.31 # "hgskoleprov" 09.49.38 # :-) 09.49.42 # yup...that looks like the one 09.49.49 # e.g. audio_play -> playback_play 09.49.51 # [19:21] There was a change, I think JdGordon <- hrm? 09.50.12 # * scorche attempts to find a way to take an english version in the US 09.50.28 # An english swedish SAT? 09.50.37 # * scorche shrugs 09.50.58 # JdGordon: wasn't you? I just recall seeing it mentioned on IRC and your name popped out 09.51.36 # JdGordon: the resorting of the plugin.c and pluginh 09.51.45 # bah...swedish reading comprehension is part of it...i should just contact a college there.. 09.51.50 # ah, yes that was me 09.52.03 # it unsynced a patch of yours did it? 09.52.04 # jhMikeS: Would it be a pain if I renamed stuff now, just when you've almost synced? :-p It can wait if you or petur are near a Monster Commit. 09.52.47 # oh...please just wait a little. I think I'm ready to put it up there maybe today. 09.53.03 # No problem 09.55.03 # now there's two strtok_r in there :P 09.55.16 # in the plugin api? 09.56.12 # I was sorting it myself 09.56.15 # * petur is nowhere near a monster commit 09.57.33 # I added some funcs myself and though it would be a good time to sort 09.57.47 # * petur walks off to do some Paid Work (tm) 09.57.53 Quit petur ("worrrk") 09.58.24 # jhMikeS: i bumped the api version so took the liberty of fixing up the few at the bottom which were not in properly 09.59.54 Quit matsl_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.00.15 # saw that. gonna have to bump it again :D about 10 new items for DSP plugins 10.00.15 # * pondlife heads to work too. 10.00.36 # plugins actually use them? 10.00.54 # * JdGordon thought they only get added when a plugin needs the function 10.01.22 # Not yet but they will very soon. Wasn't sure if I should include the samplerate tester as a non-standard plugin like test_fps 10.02.44 # If that's the rule then I'll just keep what's used only. No biggie really. 10.03.00 # i dunno 10.03.27 Join muesliii [0] (n=muesliii@61.95.205.84) 10.03.31 # preglow made a special request for that and it just came naturally out of the recording changes 10.08.04 # * Bagder needs to go put on his winter wheels on his car 10.08.04 # but you're right, it's probably best not to include it yet since no plugin has been made to fully test it and it might need mods 10.20.39 # * JdGordon hates wikis 10.20.46 # so hard to find the damn article you want 10.20.51 # unless you remember the name :'( 10.21.31 # ...search 10.21.43 # search is painful 10.22.00 # I think all those includes that are part of plugin.h should be removed from plugin.c since it includes plugin.h itself. 10.22.42 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.24.37 # * JdGordon decides its time to resync the settings patch 10.25.01 # study! 10.25.03 # ;) 10.25.05 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host210-142-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.25.07 # shhh, not so loud.... 10.25.09 # :'( its sooo boring 10.25.12 # * LinusN has a hangover 10.25.15 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-229-72.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 10.25.31 # tisk tisk... 10.25.38 # off of a wed night eh? 10.26.14 # Haxx had a pub night yesterday, "Snaxx" 10.26.54 # and you didnt invite us??? well poo to you to then :p 10.27.03 # no kidding 10.27.15 Join TCK [0] (n=hahano@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 10.28.31 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 10.30.51 Quit Deef () 10.30.53 Join MattskiMax [0] (n=MattskiM@203-206-21-104.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.32.11 # * jhMikeS only ever drinks to get drunk or else there's no point 10.32.22 # then your an alcoholic 10.32.40 # but I only drink about 3times a year 10.32.56 # then your not a very good one :D 10.33.08 # nope...horrible. :) 10.33.12 # i usually like the "pleasant and sociable" stage of drinking... 10.33.27 # If only it lasted longer 10.33.34 # indeed 10.33.46 # I go straight through onto the angry and tired bit 10.33.49 # can never keep it to just a couple 10.33.50 # :( 10.34.13 # If I stop at that point I just go to the tired bit anyway 10.34.21 # even in the times that i pass out on the floor of the bathroom, i dont get a hangover 10.34.34 # Wait until you're born in 1970... 10.34.38 # after the tired comes the sleep and then everything else up 10.34.52 # * scorche hopes that doesnt go into the random quote section of rasher's stats 10.35.04 # pondlife: im pretty sure you dont get a second chance at the year youwere born in 10.35.17 # scorche: You know, now that you've mentioned it, it definitely will. 10.35.22 # Depends on your religion! ;) 10.35.35 # I never get a hangover if I sleep in a tent. 10.35.35 # pondlife: was just gonna say that ;) 10.36.05 # you guys have odd fixations about tents... 10.36.46 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-52-104.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.36.50 # Hmm, not a fixation, just the only way I know to avoid a hangover. (Apart from not drinking, or not waking up.) 10.37.03 # or not stopping the drinking 10.37.07 # I never sleep in a tent so I always get a hangover. will test in the future 10.37.26 # The tent must be outside, not over your normal bed. 10.37.42 # * jhMikeS takes notes 10.37.42 # I don't think that would work... but let me know if it does 10.37.55 # It's a trick! You'll just be so uncomfortable from tentsleeping that you won't notice the hangover 10.38.06 # Nope, the alcolhol enables tentsleeping 10.38.07 # I don't get one if I drink by a bonfire so anythings possible :) 10.38.10 # but not spelling 10.38.25 # LinusN: In case you didn't already find it in the logs - there is something for you to test on H300 :-) 10.38.57 # * pondlife looks at the logs 10.39.17 # LCD DMA? 10.39.29 # * JdGordon slaps scorche around with a hammer.. 10.39.29 # your damn tagcache ifdef patch is going to make my resync mission difficult :'( 10.39.55 # you committed it! =) 10.40.17 Quit TCK (Client Quit) 10.40.23 # amiconn: Do you want others to test http://amiconn.dyndns.org/h300_lcd_dma.diff too? 10.40.23 # could be done on x5 too. Using a 32-bit framebuffer and bitmaps had no major hit in perf. 10.40.36 # pondlife: Sure, the more the better 10.40.43 # amiconn: the lcd patch? 10.40.50 # Is that the right link? 10.40.56 # JdGordon: there were only a few changes in settings and settings-menu anyway 10.41.02 # LinusN: I would also like to hear your opinion on the lcd timing issue 10.41.08 # yeah yeah, im being silly 10.41.23 Quit MattskiMax (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 10.41.23 Quit Teknomancer (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Strath (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Galois (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit JoeBorn (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit excitatory (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit lini (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Kitt0s (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit idnar (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Siku (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit FOAD_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit lex (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit dark (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit TheShadowx (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit jimmyk (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit gromit` (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit crwl (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Hadaka (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit lostlogic (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Kasperle (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit markun (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit preglow (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit pondlife (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit aliask (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit hcs (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit pill (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit linuxstb__ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit JdGordon (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Soap (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit SpooForBrains (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit EspeonEefi (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit ze (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit secleinteer (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Nimdae (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit newbyx86 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit mooch (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit thegeek (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit knewt (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit goffa (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit gtkspert (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit edx (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit _FireFly_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit damaki__ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Presence (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Paul_the_Nerd (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit psiborg_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Xerion (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit ScoTTie (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Bagder (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit godzirra (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit courtc (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit jhMikeS (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Tempis (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Nibbier (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit rigel (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit ToyKeeper (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit luckz (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit bagawk (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit waltman (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.23 Quit Madkiss (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.41.36 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 10.41.36 NJoin pill [0] (i=pill@loves.voltshells.com) 10.41.38 NJoin rigel [0] (n=rigel@dsl092-248-194.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net) 10.41.38 NJoin Tempis [0] (i=Tempis@cpe-24-160-16-107.sw.res.rr.com) 10.41.43 NJoin EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FOUR-SIXTY-TWO.MIT.EDU) 10.41.43 Join SpooForBrains [0] (n=wolf@82.46.183.45) 10.41.43 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 10.42.50 NJoin newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 10.43.05 NJoin linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 10.43.10 Join Llorean [0] (i=4670a5e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.43.14 NJoin JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.43.41 # LinusN: Garbled display on H300? Never heard about it. No, I mean whether we should stay out of specs, but faster, or change the waitstates to be in specs, but not as fast 10.43.51 # scorche: p.s. Did you get my message yet? 10.44.15 # pondlife: i did...and replied as well... 10.44.20 # amiconn: we have had several reports on garbled display on h300 10.44.29 # * pondlife needs a better IRC client for n00bs 10.44.40 # And there was no problem with interrupted dma. The problem was that I didn't explicitly terminate a finished dma (by setting DSR3=1), so setting up the new dma sometimes caused it to start prematurely 10.44.45 Quit rconan ("Leaving") 10.44.53 Join Bagder [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 10.44.55 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 10.45.10 # amiconn: this, for example: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5353 10.45.44 # amiconn: so i think we should stay within specs 10.45.49 NJoin _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-123-068.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.47.39 # Hmm, too bad that those people don't come in here.. 10.48.19 # What I experienced during my tests is that if the data is transferred too fast, the controller will essentially only pick up every other value, 10.48.36 # so the image is essentially cut in half. No random pixels. 10.49.30 # * amiconn would like to give those people a couple of test versions with varying waitstates for testing 10.49.30 Quit Llorean ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.51.51 NJoin godzirra [0] (n=shawn@c-68-57-151-199.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 10.52.16 # LinusN: If you want to try within-specs timings, change CSCR1 = 0x00000580; (1 waitstate) for CPUFREQ_NORMAL and CSCR1 = 0x00001d80; (7 waitstates) for CPUFREQ_MAX in system-iriver.c 10.55.23 # This reduces framerate at 45MHz to 91fps, and at 124MHz updates will even be (slightly) slower than with cvs 10.55.40 # (but if we'd change timings with cvs transfer code, it would be much slower) 10.55.49 # It still frees up CPU time though. 10.56.12 # nope 10.56.19 # :( 10.56.44 # So no advantage if we stay in spec? 10.57.16 # Seems to work fine here by the way 10.57.51 # The timing for 124MHz in my patch is already a bit more towards being in specs than cvs 10.57.57 # (4 waitstates instead of 2) 10.58.19 # Without that I got the half-size effect (also with 3 waitstates) 10.58.49 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.59.10 Join Llorean [0] (i=4670a5e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 10.59.34 Join bluebrother [0] (i=08oJVHnl@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.00.27 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 11.04.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.07.42 # i think we should stay within specs and use dma 11.08.07 # i mean, apparently the timings are too aggressive 11.11.11 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.15.01 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@wll193-153.wlan.hu-berlin.de) 11.15.42 # LinusN: Thing is, the timing apparently isn't too aggressive for cpufreq_normal, even though it's already above specs 11.15.57 # (44.2ns * 3 = 132.6ns) 11.16.13 # The specs require a minimum cycle time of 150 ns 11.16.15 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.16.29 Join waltman [0] (i=nunya486@adsl-207-245-72-170.cust.oldcity.dca.net) 11.16.30 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 11.16.52 # So maybe it's enough to go for 133ns for cpufreq_max? 11.16.57 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.17.26 # maybe 11.17.30 # let's try it 11.19.15 # .. and we are synced :D 11.20.31 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-248-174.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 11.20.32 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 11.20.54 # * linuxstb reads a letter from his ADSL provider telling him to stop using 167GB of bandwidth in one month, otherwise they will cancel his account because "termination of the Service is necessary to protect our goodwill or reputation"... 11.21.38 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.22.14 # ruddy hell! 11.23.12 # they don't know if they have goodwill _or_ reputation? 11.27.01 # Unlikely 11.27.22 # I mean , they likely know that they don't have either of those 11.28.05 # I'm getting so fed up of panics on queue overflows. Just scrolling a list during playback wraps the queue :( 11.28.07 # well the quote says "...goodwill or reputation"... . They sound uncertain and don't seems to have both 11.28.34 # There might be some for the backlight thread on x5 on shutdown which I'd just ignore 11.28.41 # Having bodged queue_post to just throw away new entries when a queue is full seems to work well though! 11.29.10 # I tried blocking/yielding in there but that soon led to a lockup. 11.29.11 # those messages are stale, you don't need 'em anymore ;) 11.29.18 # Too late, the bus is full! 11.29.28 # queue_post could return a bool I suppose. 11.29.34 # Passing the buck onto the caller. 11.29.47 # what buck does it pass now? hmm 11.30.01 # more of shredder 11.30.18 # _a_ shredder 11.30.27 # Well current CVS just overwrites the head of the queue and causes crashes. 11.30.33 # pondlife: what messages are filling which queue? 11.30.52 # Mainly Q_AUDIO_PLAY into the audio queue, but not always 11.31.08 # throwing away messages is a bad idea 11.31.16 # I agree 11.31.24 # letting the caller handle it is even worse imho 11.31.34 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 11.31.42 # freeking woot guys, my settings patch doesnt screw up the codec thread anymore! 11.31.48 # how big must the queues be to avoid it? 11.31.59 # woot! 11.32.10 # JdGordon: : That's may be because I fixed audio_set_crossfade() 11.32.23 # 11.32.42 # awesome 11.32.47 # jhMikeS: No limit, I don't think. They can be made to fill faster than they can be cleared 11.33.10 # I can panic with a queue of 64, certainly. Takes a bit longer to get there 11.33.18 Quit rconan ("Leaving") 11.33.22 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.33.36 # so we shouldn't flood the queue with Q_AUDIO_PLAY messages 11.33.41 # LinusN: I agree with you totally, I am seeing if I can slow down or stop the flooding. 11.34.36 # the trickiest one is possibly the button repeat messages on slow platforms, where the scrolling takes too long for it to keep up 11.34.47 # like ipod, i guess 11.35.21 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-69-225.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.37.24 # help... cvs diff is telling me No CVSROOT specified! Please use the `-d' option, what do i need to do? google isnt helpful 11.39.59 # need to be in the rockbox-devel directory or else you'll get that, that's when I get it. 11.40.54 # crap, i checked out the folders seperatly instead of using rockbox or rockbox-devel... is there a way to fix it? or do i have to re checkout the whole thing again properly? 11.41.18 # ok...lock up solved but I'm still getting I7C at 00000000 when voice tries to play again...arghh 11.41.47 # just use -d and specify the directory of the source repository 11.42.29 Quit Myipod () 11.42.31 # $ cvs diff -u -d ./ > changes.patch ? 11.43.20 # cvs diff -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox > changes.patch 11.43.25 # or something like that 11.43.50 # That white boxed USB logo looks bad. 11.44.18 # We're waiting for an artist to submit new, full-colour ones... 11.44.25 # Aha 11.44.35 # cheers scorche 11.45.05 # pondlife: Although I don't know of any artists working on them. Maybe we should put a request out. 11.45.14 # * jhMikeS was gonna try doing it 11.45.23 Part muesliii 11.45.43 # http://www.usb.org/developers/packaging/ if we can get certified (or the manufacturers alread did)? 11.45.50 # I did the original USB logo. I still have the art material around. 11.46.01 # Although they're not the best looking... 11.46.16 # I did it ages ago for the recorder-20, so I'll just touch it up and off we go. Any special requirements? 11.46.24 # Resolutions etc. ? 11.46.42 # urgh 11.47.07 # Wanted to try something more 3-d ish 11.47.08 # linuxstb: pixelma is working on new usb logos 11.48.01 # Nice. 11.48.03 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.48.21 # then they ought to be pretty nice from what I've seen so far 11.49.29 # Although we should probably avoid full-screen images, especially for the larger LCDs - a full-screen bitmap for the 5g is 150KB... 11.49.36 # It's not Q_AUDIO_PLAY that's overflowing... I had assumed that event IDs were unique. 11.49.59 # Maybe they should be 11.50.22 # i don't think so 11.50.43 # can they be loaded from disk? 11.50.57 # i mean, they arnt used very often 11.51.04 # * linuxstb remembers that the ipods don't need a USB logo... 11.51.05 # All I can see from my panic is that the event ID is 1. There are lots of those. 11.51.42 Join psiborg [0] (n=psiborg@flits103-221.flits.rug.nl) 11.52.25 # Probably a button event 11.53.04 # load it as the backdrop 11.53.41 # I guess a button event queuing failure is ok... Keyboard buffer full.. 11.53.57 # * pondlife wants to make DOS-style beeps 11.54.22 # POST you mean? 11.54.49 # Nope. Keyboard buffer full beeps. 11.54.59 # POST would be BIOS-style 11.55.21 # * scorche shrugs 11.55.28 # Although, thinking about it, the key buffer is probably BIOS too. 11.55.59 # So... how can I identify which queue I'm referring to in queue_post? 11.56.47 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14966.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.57.33 # who wants to play "find the syntax error" http://rafb.net/paste/results/GXEusm46.html gcc is telling me settings.c:1300: error: syntax error at end of input from that function... it compiles fine on the h300 but not the recorderv2 11.57.50 Part SpooForBrains ("Konversation terminated!") 11.58.35 # 1300 is the end of the function? 11.58.48 # no, end of the file... dw, i found it just as i pasted.. 11.58.59 # had the closing } inside a part which is ifdefed out :p 11.59.10 # =) 11.59.44 # * JdGordon == dill 12.00.06 # have_lcd_color 12.00.12 # yeah 12.00.25 # does the coldfire exception handler really report things correctly. seems wierd exceptions can come out of stuff. 12.00.49 # bugger... still 27kb too big for rombox :'( 12.01.25 # Down from what? 12.01.31 # dunno... 12.01.39 # 27kb?? 12.01.42 # with #define HAVE_TAGCACHE i am assuming? 12.01.44 # * JdGordon checks the cvs build page 12.01.50 # That means it's bigger than cvs 12.01.51 # scorche: yes 12.02.02 # ooo, not good 12.02.05 # yeah...i was about to say what amiconn just said.. 12.02.08 # JdGordon: Compiling recv1? 12.02.15 # recv2 12.02.20 # UGH 12.02.23 # i tinhk 12.02.29 # sry for caps.. 12.02.36 # export TARGET=-DARCHOS_RECORDER 12.03.23 # so this is odd... filesize is jumping heaps? 12.03.42 # you are referncing the size of rombox.ucl right? 12.04.00 # no, error: firmware image is 231934 bytes while max size is 204800! 12.05.09 # oh...that is fine..it then just goes to compressing image or something like that right? 12.05.57 # errr...wait..am i thinking right? 12.06.27 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54931E0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.07.12 Quit Llorean ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.07.20 # * jhMikeS looks at UIE with raised eyebrow...must raise other eyebrow 12.07.31 # filesize drops for the h300 by 2192 bytes, but v2rec increases.. 12.07.35 # something is not right! 12.07.39 # Is it valid that an active queue->thread->name is blank? 12.08.40 # JdGordon: i think that is fine, but i might be confused as well 12.08.45 # * scorche points to amiconn 12.08.58 # no its bad.. definatly bad 12.09.05 # I was expecting at leats a 7kb drop 12.09.14 # athsta what it was a month ago 12.09.30 # JdGordon: the efficiency of turning your code into insructions must be better on cf 12.10.02 # even on sh i was getting about 8kb reduction 12.10.03 # or storing initalized data 12.11.55 # any reason that UIE isn't given the interrupt_handler attribute? 12.13.29 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.13.41 Join scorche [0] (n=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 12.13.52 # :'( apparentyl i may not have copied the correct rockbox.iriver onto the DAP before 12.14.04 # is /rockbox.iriver checked before /.rockbox/rockbox.iriver? 12.15.09 # yeah, it ran the wrong one, so i dont even know if the boost probel is fixed :'( 12.15.17 # especially considering its crashing on boot 12.15.43 # :( 12.16.00 # JdGordon: no....i still get that error for v1 with have_tagcache commented out 12.16.07 # * JdGordon wonders if this is someones way of telling me to study instead of code :p 12.16.07 # and rombox is fine 12.17.29 # hmm... its crashing and the last thing logf says is "playback api init" 12.17.55 # Did you get today's playback.c? 12.18.01 # yeah 12.18.52 # Hmm, that's very early on. 12.19.19 # yeah, 3rd logf from the start 12.19.39 # sorry, 2nd 12.19.54 # Try seeing if it's in sound_settings_apply that's crashing? 12.19.55 # possibly got to do with the corssfade/feed settings possil being stuffed 12.20.01 # wait...maybe i am losing it... 12.20.08 # Try clearing your settings 12.20.42 # ah, that did it 12.21.03 # So maybe an old version wrote junk into the settings? 12.21.08 # Or you have a bug! 12.21.38 # i tihnk it was coz it was trying to read a bad config file.. or something 12.21.45 # boost bug is still there tho :'( 12.22.14 # but its synced, which makes things easier later 12.24.29 # Can you pop it on Flyspray yet? 12.25.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuSettingsRecoding 12.25.44 # Does v24 include apps/menus? 12.25.52 # yup 12.25.59 # Cheers! 12.26.04 # welll.. it should.. i added them manually 12.28.26 # JdGordon: ah yeah...that is it...that error is for rockbox.ucl...not rombox.ucl 12.28.42 # ok 12.29.02 # rombox can't uncompress in ROM. 12.30.10 # yeah...i second guess myself too much =) 12.30.25 # please remind me to slap Davie-NYC around with the hammer tomorow... he got my hopes up for this patch :'( 12.31.24 # Why oh why oh why can't I get anything from queue->thread->name? 12.31.46 # * pondlife gives up 12.36.16 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 12.37.20 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3059.gwdg.de) 12.38.03 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.39.08 Join Sinbios [0] (i=Sinbios@dsl-10-136-102.b2b2c.ca) 12.42.09 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 12.43.41 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-41.net-81-220-108.rev.numericable.fr) 12.45.39 Quit rconan ("Leaving") 12.47.37 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 12.49.22 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 13.00.03 # yo 13.00.47 # on no! 13.03.20 # jhMikeS: UIE() isn't given the interrupt_handler attribute because it never returns 13.03.40 # i just had a hairball! 13.03.46 # i've never had one beofre 13.04.32 # youve turned into a cat? 13.04.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.03 # JdGordon: On archos there are 2 different limits which need attention. (1) The maximum ajbrec.ajz (archos.mod for player) size, which is 200KB for player and rec v1, and 400KB for the others. We work around that by making a self-decompressing version if it's too large when uncompressed. Currently only necessary for recv1 13.06.56 # (2) The available flash rom size (232KB for player, 228KB for all others). If we exceed that, rombox becomes impossible 13.07.13 # righto 13.07.15 # Obviously we cannot use compression to lift that limit 13.07.47 # JdGordon: slowly 13.08.24 # why obviously? couldnt a really tiny bootloader be uncompressed which uncompresses the rest of rombox into ram? or is that defeating the point? 13.08.35 # Then it's no longer rombox 13.08.54 # Rombox means running the code _directly_ from rom, to save the ram 13.09.05 # ok, its not for boot speed? 13.09.24 # Flashing is for increased boot speed 13.09.25 # amiconn: already figured that :) but I'm not sure if it's just displaying garbage. gonna try something. 13.09.34 # ok then 13.09.59 # You can flash 2 different ways, using rockbox.ucl (that actually does what you described - decompress into ram), or rombox.ucl 13.10.00 # anyway, i guess something went pear shaped in the last month in the patch, becuase it sholdnt be as big as it is 13.10.52 # rockbox.ucl was first, btw, and that's what the extension comes from, it uses UCL compression 13.11.27 # Open compression algorithm with decent ratio and fast & tiny decompressor 13.11.40 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.12.02 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 13.14.51 # (and btw, the self-decompressor for ajbrec.ajz uses the same compression algorithm, reusing rockbox.ucl for the blob 13.18.09 Quit lini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.25.52 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 13.42.19 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa165.1.tellas.gr) 13.44.52 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-165-106.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 13.45.25 Quit MadDog011 (Remote closed the connection) 13.48.30 Join alphakiller [0] (n=bits@200.162.22.132) 13.48.30 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.50.21 Join TCK [0] (n=hahano@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 14.06.05 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 14.06.26 Quit alphakiller () 14.11.33 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 14.17.39 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3059.gwdg.de) 14.51.05 DEBUG EOF from server (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 545) 14.51.05 *** Cleanup 14.51.05 *** Cleanup 14.51.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.51.05 *** Exit 14.51.05 *** Started Dancer V4.16 14.51.05 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.05 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.05 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.05 *** Connected to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 14.51.05 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 14.51.25 *** ERROR: (All connections in use) from irc.freenode.net 14.51.25 *** Cleanup 14.51.25 *** Cleanup 14.51.25 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.51.25 *** Exit 14.51.25 *** Started Dancer V4.16 14.51.25 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.25 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.25 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.25 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.25 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.25 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.25 *** Connected to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 14.51.25 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 14.51.51 *** ERROR: (All connections in use) from irc.freenode.net 14.51.51 *** Cleanup 14.51.51 *** Cleanup 14.51.51 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.51.51 *** Exit 14.51.51 *** Started Dancer V4.16 14.51.51 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.51 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.51 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.51 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.51 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.51 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.51 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.51 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.51.51 *** Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times) 14.51.51 *** Cleanup 14.51.51 *** Cleanup 14.51.51 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.51.51 *** Exit 14.52.20 *** Started Dancer V4.16 14.52.20 *** Connected to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 14.52.20 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 14.52.21 *** ERROR: (All connections in use) from irc.freenode.net 14.52.21 *** Cleanup 14.52.21 *** Cleanup 14.52.21 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.52.21 *** Exit 14.52.21 *** Started Dancer V4.16 14.52.21 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.21 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.21 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.21 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.21 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.21 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.21 *** Connected to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 14.52.21 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 14.52.44 *** ERROR: (All connections in use) from irc.freenode.net 14.52.44 *** Cleanup 14.52.44 *** Cleanup 14.52.44 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.52.44 *** Exit 14.52.44 *** Started Dancer V4.16 14.52.44 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.44 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.44 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.44 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.44 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.44 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.52.44 *** Connected to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 14.52.44 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 14.53.07 *** ERROR: (All connections in use) from irc.freenode.net 14.53.07 *** Cleanup 14.53.07 *** Cleanup 14.53.07 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.53.07 *** Exit 14.53.07 *** Started Dancer V4.16 14.53.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.53.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.53.07 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.53.07 *** Connected to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 14.53.07 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 14.53.14 *** ERROR: (All connections in use) from irc.freenode.net 14.53.14 *** Cleanup 14.53.14 *** Cleanup 14.53.14 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.53.14 *** Exit 14.53.14 *** Started Dancer V4.16 14.53.14 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.53.14 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection refused) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.53.14 DEBUG connect(2) failed on socket 3 (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 150) 14.53.14 *** Connected to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 14.53.14 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 14.56.30 *** Server message 501: 'logbot_ :Unknown MODE flag' 14.56.30 Mode "logbot_ :+i" by 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But some plugins and codecs use a simple malloc implementation to manage a small static buffer of memory. 15.06.53 # wouldnt a malloc implementation save a lot of mem? 15.07.00 # on the contrary 15.07.05 # (here we go again) 15.07.22 # * linuxstb wishes he could point to a "WhyNoMalloc" wiki page... 15.07.22 # it is the first time i am asking such things 15.07.29 # I know 15.07.35 # everyone asks this question 15.07.42 # and i am really willing to learn... 15.08.06 # linuxstb: if you start it, I'll help out fill it 15.08.37 # i searched for malloc in the wiki 15.08.37 # Bagder: I may well do. 15.09.05 # blue_lizard: There's no such page - I was just saying there needs to be one, to explain the logic behind our dislike of malloc. 15.09.05 Quit TCK (Client Quit) 15.09.31 # linuxstb: sorry i thought it was sarcastic 15.11.27 # in fact, we could probably improve the footprint a little by offering at least some kind of buffer reuse 15.11.30 # so how do i allocate some mem 15.11.41 # do i need to take thet all static? 15.12.03 # blue_lizard: either that, or use buffer_alloc(), depending on what you are doing 15.12.18 # copying some strings around 15.12.24 # in a plugin? 15.12.29 # and manipulating some ints and longs 15.12.47 # it is not intended for an plugin 15.13.08 # is is some grafical stuff while deleting folders 15.13.18 # ok 15.13.20 # it is half grafical at the moment 15.13.34 # then i guess a static buffer is the easiest 15.13.42 # but i need some paths to besaved and such stuff 15.14.09 # shure it is the easiest but that mem is than occupied for most of the time but not used 15.14.26 # how large are the buffers? 15.15.03 # 2 or 3 * MAX_PATH 15.15.16 # and some int and some longs 15.15.23 # should fit on the stack, i guess 15.15.27 # not quite a problem 15.15.49 # but if anybody throws mem away like that 15.16.18 # so i could use buffer_alloc whtout problems? 15.16.45 # well, buffer_alloc() is probably overkill in this case 15.16.50 # it makes no difference, static or buffer_alloc when you have a fixed size 15.17.04 # 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blue_lizard: i still don't understand timids opinion 15.47.26 Join dan_a [0] (i=dan_a@217.23.160.38) 15.47.41 # gtg 15.47.42 Join ze [0] (i=ze@70.40.152.105) 15.47.44 Part LinusN 15.50.26 # heck, that log is almost a year old and there was no h3xx port back then 15.50.51 Join Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 15.50.53 # it feels like that one has been around forever 15.50.59 # i understand him 15.51.00 Join preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 15.51.08 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 15.51.10 # because i write some code that uses grafics 15.51.11 Join TheShadowx [0] (n=theshado@gw.den.so14k.com) 15.51.20 # blue_lizard: maybe you should write the wiki page to explain it then 15.51.26 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 15.51.44 # if i dont get the mem to work i coud automatically trip dow to output some chars 15.51.57 Join lex_ [0] (i=lex@evot.us) 15.51.59 # and not mem intensive grafics 15.52.04 Join luckz [0] (i=luckz@luckz.de) 15.52.17 # 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Last time I checked it worked fine... 19.16.07 # (2) I see that you changed the X5 behaviour from reboot to shutdown. Did you test this in conjunction with memory guard? 19.17.00 # The coldfire is in emulator mode in this case, and the only reliable way out seems to be a reset. Even shutdown could be problematic 19.19.04 # (3) How did you manage to use __attribute__((noreturn)) without warning? 19.19.31 # Last time I tried, I wasn't able to get rid of the warning: "Noreturn function does return" 19.20.20 # amiconn: (1) the exceptions display were wrong. I tested it by deliberately creating them/not handling and they display correctly now. 19.21.07 # (2) (3) hmmm...didn't think about it...maybe should reevaluate 19.21.28 # whoops :) (3) just a while(1) 19.22.02 # Ah, didn't spot that comment 19.22.06 # Odd... 19.23.15 # Btw, we don't need the global for storing the exception frame if we pass the values as parameters to system_display_exception_info() 19.23.26 # It wasn't accessing the correct spot on the stack. Guess gcc changed the allocation. 19.23.39 # Ah, that's possible 19.23.53 # I wanted to avoid anything that might make gcc change anything at some point 19.24.13 # Btw, to be absolutely safe from gcc messing with the allocation, UIE() itself should be a pure asm function imho 19.24.26 # Check how this is done in system.c for SH1 19.24.29 # tried it any the weak references don't work 19.24.49 # It always called UIE then 19.25.26 # (in case you do, note that the SH doesn't pass the exception number as part of the exception, so every exception has thier own tiny stub) 19.25.31 # I read some and I gathered that gcc required that it be defined within the module 19.26.11 # SH1 UIE() is what system_display_exception_info() now is for coldfire 19.26.25 # ...and UIEnnn() is what UIE() is on coldfire 19.27.13 Quit thegeek (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.27.17 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 19.28.09 # excuse my ignorance but what is SH? :P 19.28.10 # Yes, in case we move UIE() into an asm block, the default_interrupt() macro also needs to be asm, especially if we want to use gcc4.0+ some day 19.28.42 # Hitachi/Renesas SH1, the CPU used in the old archos targets 19.28.53 # ah 19.28.53 # (SH == SuperH) 19.29.51 # even if we move to asm to trap it I guess the display function can remain c 19.29.56 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 19.30.00 # yes 19.30.13 # As said, check out how it's done for SH1 19.30.42 # that's where I really wanted it but I needed good info stat 19.30.46 # system.c lines 400..690 19.31.26 # ..710 even, but the details within that function aren't really interesting 19.31.35 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.34.43 # you're saying that when the pmu just cuts off power becuase ONKEY1S isn't being serviced any more this could be a problem? 19.35.42 # Maybe not. I see that you stop with "halt" 19.35.58 # So as long as that works in emulator mode it should be fine 19.36.08 # It never did a reset. Always has to do 1s hold thing 19.36.47 # Yeah, wrong GPIO read for X5 19.36.58 # how am I supposed to test memory guard anyway? 19.37.24 # On iriver, we read GPIO to detect an on button press, and if it's detected, reset the cpu by starting the watchdog timer but not servicing it 19.37.57 # Note that we need a porper reset, just calling system_reboot() didn't work because the cpu stays in emulator mode 19.38.15 # yes, so I didn't mess with iRiver but that code did not work on x5 19.38.19 # The reboot would start, but fail in the bootloader with an ata panic 19.38.33 # Yes, wrong GPIO read 19.39.00 # Personally I'd like the box to reboot on an uie (or panic) rather than switch off 19.39.31 # I never tried this on X5 before. Maybe H300 is also broken 19.40.18 # Testing the memory guard is fairly easy. Just enable it (via menu or from a plugin - the function is exported), then do a forbidden access 19.40.31 # But the H100 doesn't reboot now, does it? Not that I have such exceptions often, so I might remember wrong... :) 19.40.54 # I have a test plugin for that (lawbreaker) which enables zero area protection, then reads from location 0 19.42.09 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/lawbreaker.c 19.42.49 # now I see that I'm getting an illegal intruction when voice trys to play again after record. I wonder if the codec is being corrupted somehow. speculation atm. 19.42.54 # On coldfire this should fire a debug interrupt 19.43.16 # Most probably a problem with codec swap 19.44.37 # got me as to how...hrm 19.44.47 # I'll try that out 19.49.00 Join bundik [0] (n=bundik@dslb-088-064-029-182.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.49.07 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.50.25 # I0C:Debug at 3100C03E 19.50.48 # yup 19.52.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17334.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.53.07 # The address is a bit strange, one would expect an address within the plugin ram 19.53.09 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.53.46 # But exception address reporting can be delayed 19.57.19 # Isn't that the pc? Though it pointed to the instruction that caused. 19.58.19 # hmmm...wonder where it is exactly then 19.58.59 # PC is a bit ahead of the instruction that causes an exception because of pipelining 20.00.12 # Hmm, in fact it shouldn't. It should either point to the faulty instruction or the next instruction depending on the exception type 20.00.53 # was just reading that 20.01.18 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-70-112-165-230.austin.res.rr.com) 20.02.26 # MCF5249UM.pdf page 62 is also interesting 20.02.37 # I'm using a patched build with the recording changes BTW 20.02.43 # "The ColdFire processor uses an imprecise reporting mechanism for access errors on operand writes." 20.03.08 # a doubly imprecise statement 20.03.08 Join dionoea [0] (n=dionoea@poy.chewa.net) 20.03.36 # But lawbreaker.c uses a read 20.04.28 # I would expect a PC slightly above 0x31F80000 20.04.54 Quit ender (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.07.08 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 20.08.34 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.08.46 # * amiconn suspects the UIE() changes mess up things in emulator mode 20.09.09 # jhMikeS: Could you try putting system_exception_info in iram? 20.09.22 # sure 20.09.40 Part Paul_the_Nerd 20.11.55 # I0C:Debug at 3100C03E 20.13.52 # you wanted a test right? is that perhaps an address in the caller of plugin_start? 20.14.29 # Probably, but that shouldn't happen... 20.14.43 # * amiconn should try with the old UIE() code 20.15.38 # don't know why it wouldn't copy the correct number. it exception number is always right. 20.15.43 # Hmm, in fact it might happen, bah 20.16.03 # MCF5249.pdf page 368: 20.16.44 # I'll add a bunch of instruction between the access and return value 20.16.44 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.16.48 # "For address and data breakpoints, the processor may have executed several additional instructions. As a result, trigger reporting is considered imprecise." 20.17.15 Quit nudelyn ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 20.17.18 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 20.19.08 Join Tempis [0] (i=Tempis@cpe-24-160-16-107.sw.res.rr.com) 20.19.27 # scorche, you around? 20.20.09 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-9-200.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.21.42 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 20.21.48 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-9-200.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.21.54 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.22.31 Quit HaroldJohnson ("Leaving") 20.22.44 # I added a bunch of stuff between the read and return and the address was 31F80032 20.23.13 # Aha, so it's indeed the imprecise reporting that's to blame 20.23.39 # The plugin already returned when the breakpoint logic triggers the debug interrupt 20.23.49 # seems so 20.24.26 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-62-160.dslaccess.co.uk) 20.25.38 # * linuxstb_ needs to find a UK ISP with no transfer limits... 20.26.25 # cable, if you can get it... 20.27.49 # linuxstb_: If you move to the Isle of Man I can recommend you one 20.28.02 # dan_a: I'll have a word with the wife... 20.29.21 # I think it's a perfectly valid reason for moving! 20.29.25 # obo: Amusingly, the cable companies keep putting leaflets through my door, but there is no cable in the street. 20.29.28 # linuxstb_: If your provider offers plain flatrate there really shouldn't be a limit 20.29.32 # heh 20.29.36 Quit jhMikeS (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.29.36 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.29.36 Quit _Veseliq_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.29.36 Quit Seed (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.29.36 Quit Bjoern-Erik (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.29.50 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.29.50 NJoin _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 20.30.11 NJoin Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@67.80-202-110.nextgentel.com) 20.30.24 # I made a battery_bench with my X5L; finally it died today in the morning -> I did not find any wiki page where I could upload the results, as they are for other targets, to I put them there: http://pastebin.ca/234664 20.30.43 # amiconn: They're throwing some "unreasonable usage" condition to me. The situation in the UK seems to be that 100GB is generally considered "fair use", and I'm finding myself needing more. 20.30.51 # That said, I wonder how you manage to use >100GB per month 20.30.55 NJoin Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-131-175.cablep.bezeqint.net) 20.31.08 # and if anyone wonders why there are not so many bench for X5 - check buttons for starting the test 20.31.11 # That's more than we use at work... 20.31.27 # btw: 30+ hours is awesome ... thanks to all devs 20.32.46 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@82-69-41-162.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 20.34.23 # 30+ hours would seem to be better than the OF, according to http://www.mp3.com/features/stories/3646.html. Rockbox wins on another player! 20.35.53 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-175-139.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.35.54 *** Server message 505: 'logbot_ :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 20.36.43 # i'll try it tomorrow again .. but thos time without the remote -> should be ever better 20.37.15 # and disable replaygain and crossfeed 20.39.34 # I wonder if it would have any impact as there are no CPU boost even when its enabled 20.39.53 # Was that bench with the latest CVS? It seems to use the new curve 20.39.57 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 20.40.13 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.40.20 # It should, as the CPU goes to sleep lowering power consumption even more when there's nothing to do 20.40.31 # jhMikeS, CVS-061031-1957 20.41.21 # amiconn, ok ... i'll turn them off 20.41.45 # hmmm....took 8 hours to just start to get below 100%, wtf. 20.42.15 # nine...wierd...this has to go into excel 20.42.44 # I wondered about this aswell ... 20.43.02 # The X5 (not L) is very different 20.44.11 # The low end was more accurate though 20.44.44 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 20.48.23 # Tempis: i am now 20.48.34 Quit tim66 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.49.24 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@82-69-41-162.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 20.51.28 Quit ender` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.53.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.56.59 # jhMikeS: wav always showing 1411kbps in the recording format screen is a bit misleading 20.56.59 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.57.56 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3104.gwdg.de) 20.58.26 Join Kitt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.94.31.27.cable.012.net.il) 20.59.28 # preglow: that's history once I figure out what's causing the illegal instuction exception re: voice 21.00.16 # * jhMikeS just got his toslink cables...spdif test 21.02.33 # hey scorche, is that offer still open to send you my archos? 21.04.12 # i guess...why? 21.04.32 # you would rather do that and not buy an iron? 21.04.39 # I did buy one 21.04.56 # but apparenlty an Amish guy has more soldering skills than me 21.05.18 # amish people are good with their hands... 21.05.18 # have you fixed this problem before? 21.08.06 # yeah...in fact, i have 2 others that are due for the "treatment" 21.08.11 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 21.08.28 # jhMikeS: you around? 21.08.32 # you'll probably laugh when you see my soldering job 21.08.47 # should I put it all back together or just leave it apart? 21.08.52 # i just hope you didnt screw it up =/ 21.08.56 # me too 21.09.23 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3002.gwdg.de) 21.09.33 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.09.39 # Davide-NYC: yes, but was just going down to test the spdif 21.11.43 # jhMikeS: can you do higher samplerates? 21.12.03 # Tempis: are you registered? 21.12.22 # on what? 21.12.24 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3002.gwdg.de) 21.12.28 # freenode 21.12.34 # so you can send PMs 21.12.44 # ahh apaprently not 21.14.19 # I am now 21.14.20 # I think just 44100 and 48000, whateven the DVD likes 21.15.15 # * amiconn could test all standard spdif sample rates later 21.15.15 # jhMikeS: If there is anything else you want me to let me know. I had 88k and 96k, but I'm a bit suspicious of the 96k as it was an 88k file fed out at 96k. 21.15.27 # * jhMikeS is anxious to at least finish testing the player out though 21.15.30 # .me can only do 'pro' rates 21.15.31 # what? 21.15.35 # I would just need test tracks 21.16.01 # asking me? 21.16.06 # It said 96k and was recording at 88k? 21.16.36 # Or your equipment resampled it? 21.16.36 # the source was originally 88k audio which was played back at 96k. 21.16.41 # ah 21.16.42 # exactly 21.17.07 # the H1x0 detected it as 96k (as expected) but of course the playback was a bit pitch-shifted 21.17.18 # as long as the device picked it up correctly and actually recorded a 96k file I'm happy 21.17.37 # we just didn't have any 96k stuff around and they wanted to go "clubbing" so I had to do everything pretty fast 21.17.38 # Oh, so no resample 21.17.59 # the device functioned as expected thus I reported everything fine 21.18.05 # :-) 21.18.25 # excellent...got go check mine out. :) 21.19.13 # http://www.rme-audio.com/english/download/audtest.htm 21.19.16 # test files 21.20.00 Join leftright [0] (n=leftrigh@pc3.naritaanah-unet.ocn.ne.jp) 21.21.16 # is there anyone here that would be willing to do the 8 meg RAM mod to my Archos recorder for cash ? 21.22.24 # gotta go 21.22.31 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 21.23.00 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 21.23.07 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 21.23.39 # anyone know much about the %pb wps tag? the manual doesn't say much about it and forum search isn't working :S 21.24.17 # wiki should say enough... 21.25.04 # yeah, i'm hitting the wiki, just having a tough time finding the info 21.25.16 # leftright: possibly... 21.25.28 # Go to CustomWPS 21.25.48 # Lear: btw, i got your message and you are on the list 21.26.15 # hi scorche, well, i bought this AJB-R off ebay and I cant flash it, so i thought that i would kill two birds with one stone by upgrading it to 8 megs of ram, 21.26.49 # this is just RAM...it doesnt midify the ROM 21.26.53 # modify 21.27.00 # The rom can be changed as well 21.27.15 # yes...but not through this particular procedure 21.27.22 # good, would you be interested 21.27.30 # That's in fact easier than doing the 8MB mod. No rewiring involved, the rom chip is pin compatible 21.27.49 # amiconn: how easy is it to find the chip? 21.28.13 # scorche: Thanks. Did the necessary setup (according to the FAQ). 21.28.18 # That said, I didn't change the chip in my player myself. It's a TSOP32 chip so you need good soldering skills 21.28.46 Nick dan_a is now known as dan_a_ (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 21.28.58 # Lear: the only setup you need is to register with nickserv really... 21.29.01 # sweet, just found exactly what i needed 21.29.06 # amiconn: do you have a link? 21.29.17 # (and you should either have a flasher and flash the image before soldering the chip, or you'll also need the uart boot mod 21.29.29 Nick dan_a_ is now known as dan_a (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 21.29.31 # scorche, can we continue via pm ? 21.31.10 # No link, sorry. You need an SST39VF020 or compatible. SST39VF040 is also possible, giving plenty of room for rombox with a custom build 21.32.23 # [IDC]Dragon did that mod (512KB flash instead of 256KB) 21.33.24 Quit bawb2 ("seacrest out!") 21.33.42 # leftright: well, i could most likely do the 8 MB mod, but i dont know about the ROM, as i dont have a flasher and no time for a UART boot mod 21.34.07 # hi all, has anyone tried interfacing with an h1xx/h3xx via the remote port? 21.34.24 # The uart boot mod is rather simple. I did it myself 21.34.48 # i know it is simple, but how time consuming? 21.35.02 # i've just finished a GNUnilnk adaptor to use my H140 with sony radio, but want text displayed and control over the irivier from the radio 21.36.23 # anyone here using flyspray with jabber notifications? They don't seem to work for me 21.36.54 Join webguest90 [0] (i=5003400a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.37.09 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 21.37.43 # scroche, thanks here's my email address, wanajunk at wanadoo dot nl could you mail your quote for the 8 meg ram mod and the rom mod if you want to 21.37.52 Quit webguest90 (Client Quit) 21.38.27 # i would rather just discuss it with you in PM...e-mail can be slow =) 21.38.47 # ok, err does hydra have pm ? 21.38.50 # * leftright looks 21.38.53 # sure 21.39.01 # It's called query 21.42.05 # Is 8MB the maximum possible upgrade? 21.42.29 # yes 21.42.39 # i dont think the CPU can work with more 21.43.18 Join ender [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 21.43.46 # then again, we will both wait for amiconn with the final and correct answer ;) 21.45.15 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.48.25 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3009.gwdg.de) 21.48.33 # * petur discovers that the only usb mass storage device he has turns out to be his h340 :( 21.49.24 # petur: is that a problem? 21.49.40 # ah, for usb OTG debugging? 21.49.44 # yup 21.49.58 # I have a SD cardreader. 21.50.13 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 21.50.17 # Bought it online for a store in hongkong for a few euro, no shipping 21.50.37 # petur: http://www.ledshoppe.com/ 21.50.39 Quit ender` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.51.23 Join pleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 21.52.02 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 21.52.03 Quit ender (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.52.21 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 21.52.27 # * lostlogic is jealous of H3x0 owners 21.52.36 # nice work amiconn 21.53.16 # * petur sees the commit 21.53.29 # amiconn: what ever happened to there not being enough DMA channels to do LCD DMA on H3x0? 21.53.51 # there turned out to be 4 21.54.02 # Seems that was a misinterpretation by LinusN 21.54.21 # He seems to have thought (and me too) that there are only 2 channels, but there are 4 of them 21.55.38 Quit lightyear (Remote closed the connection) 21.56.32 Quit perpleXa (Connection timed out) 21.57.30 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2da8aae5b33942b5) 21.58.40 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 21.59.55 # amiconn: I take it #4 is going to be used by jhMikeS's MRP? 22.00.11 # Nope 22.00.26 # hmph 22.00.27 # DMA0 is used for playback, DMA1 is used for recording 22.00.38 # Only DMA0 and DMA1 can be used for audio 22.00.44 # *nod* 22.00.47 # The LCD update uses DMA3 22.00.59 # DMA2 will hopefully soon be used for ATA DMA 22.01.14 # ah, for some reason I thought we already did ATA DMA and not recording via DMA 22.01.18 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54931B16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.01.24 # bagh, memory 22.02.02 # nice, how is H3x0 battery performance doing relative to OF? 22.02.27 # boosting was already very low 22.03.40 Join rconan_ [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.03.43 Join Sinbios [0] (i=Sinbios@dsl-10-136-18.b2b2c.ca) 22.05.54 # hmmm...new ipod shuffle is now ARM-based: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Shuffle-2nd-Generation/Disassembly-Page-3-Disassembly 22.06.21 # headless rockbox!? 22.06.47 # Voice UI... 22.07.14 # if that caught on, the voiceui would suddenly gain supporters. 22.07.36 # I see it now... #ifdef HAS_NO_LCD 22.07.45 # NOOO 22.09.03 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.09.10 # dan_a: wrong... 22.09.15 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.09.50 # The HAVE_LCD_** should be changed into CONFIG_LCD with values LCD_BITMAP and LCD_CHARCELL 22.10.17 # ...and then the test would be #ifndef CONFIG_LCD 22.10.47 # The Ui sim would be interesting ;-) 22.11.06 Quit rconan (Nick collision from services.) 22.11.22 Nick rconan_ is now known as rconan (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.11.27 # * amiconn tries to imagine voice-driven games... 22.11.29 # nls: I've just coded it. I've not done audio support yet, though 22.11.39 # :-) 22.11.57 # Voice chess ;) 22.12.03 # Where can I find themes for my iPod Shuffle? 22.14.04 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 22.14.04 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.40 # Maybe we could have voice doom. Though it would have to describe the scene using voice clips. 22.14.50 # "You are in a room. It is dark" 22.15.01 # wow, talk about button assignment challenges... *twitch* 22.15.15 # short press, double short press, long press, super long press, super duper long press 22.15.17 # Can anyone tell me why voice is "clicking" for me, after each item? I just played a couple of the clips the voice file is built from, and there's no noise 22.15.17 # 'to the left of you there is a mutant witha sh' 'you have been shot' 'to the right of you..' 'you have been shot' ;p 22.15.46 # lol 22.16.06 # I'm thinkging something along the lines of voice doing something wrong with resampling, but I've no idea what's going on, really 22.16.18 # rasher: that'd be my guess 22.16.27 # Should I file a bug? 22.16.46 # there might already be one, if not, sure 22.16.56 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3049.gwdg.de) 22.16.57 # I'll have a look 22.17.28 # I always thought that I was just doing something wrong with Festival or lame, but then I checked the originals, and they were fine 22.17.44 # There's a loud puff of noise after each string 22.17.46 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-65-67-112-77.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 22.17.58 # with music playing or w/o? 22.18.55 # Both 22.19.29 # Can't find anything in the tracker 22.19.46 # weird. 22.19.49 # I'll create one and attach my voice file and one of the original clips as wav and mp3 22.20.24 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 22.21.24 # I'm using 12khz. I think the windows script uses 16khz, so that might be why noone has noticed it yet 22.21.46 # I would bet so. 22.22.04 # But how that's related... 22.22.10 # * lostlogic knocks on preglow's skull 22.22.13 # but it's the only difference I can think of 22.22.32 # Again, the clips play fine on their own, so it's quite strange really 22.22.37 # (in Rockbox) 22.23.21 # Hrm, "Operating System" should have a "SWCODEC" and "HWCODEC" setting 22.23.23 # hmm, even the wav version plays fine on its own? 22.23.30 # rasher: I agree 22.23.41 # Bagder: oeprating system groups? 22.23.50 # Yup (although I think that's 16khz - lame doing the resampling) 22.24.01 Quit bundik ("Quit") 22.24.11 # Not sure though, I'll check 22.24.20 # $ file LANG_GENERAL_SETTINGS.* 22.24.20 # LANG_GENERAL_SETTINGS.mp3: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v2.5, 8 kBits, 12 kHz, Monaural 22.24.23 # LANG_GENERAL_SETTINGS.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 16000 Hz 22.24.28 Join ender` [0] (i=null@84.52.165.220) 22.24.58 # hmm, any way to make a 12khz wav to try? 22.25.27 # can 5G's record via headphone port? 22.25.51 # Still haven't figured out how to make festival output anything besides the default, but I can create one 22.25.58 # lostlogic: still, the mp3 plays fine as well 22.26.09 # rasher: give it a shot; mp3 decoding may remove whatever causes the trouble 22.26.31 # Yeah, I'll try 22.26.51 # BHSPitLappy: I don't think so, but it's hard to say for sure. All the third-party "italk" type accessories plug into the dock connector on the 5G, not the headphone jack. 22.27.27 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.28.44 Join Moos [0] (i=51400b8c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-48efa2bc0fdc27d1) 22.28.45 # linuxstb_, that could just be for the purpose of quality recordings. I dunno, though; I remember hearing when it came out, that they did indeed have the hardware for it 22.28.58 # lostlogic: Nope, still sounding fine at 12khz 22.29.21 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 22.32.37 # would be interested to see if anyone else has tried a 12khz voice file with or without successs 22.32.44 # #6278 22.32.48 # nodty 22.33.03 # I'll try the same voicefile at 16khz 22.34.14 # * amiconn always uses 12kHz voice 22.34.21 # Ah, there goes that theory 22.35.04 # meh, now i can't get %pv working right :S 22.35.34 # amiconn: rasher: what length of silent pad do you use at the end of your files? 22.36.16 # I simply use whatever festival gives me and then run wavtrim on it with a noisefloor of 250 (iirc) 22.36.17 Join menosm_ [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fb35v.dsl.mindspring.com) 22.37.44 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3009.gwdg.de) 22.39.15 # Can't be a problem with voicefont because I have another voicefile that works fine built with the same voicefont 22.39.28 # since it's coming from a digital source, wouldn't a noisetrim of 0 work fine? 22.39.31 # can't remember which lame settings I used for that :-\ 22.40.20 # lostlogic: Yeah it's not much it gains, but festival does output a bit of noise, at least in some conditions 22.40.33 # hmph 22.40.40 # but you said that every clip has this pop on it with this voice file? 22.40.46 # that is, noisy silence 22.40.51 # Yup 22.40.53 # nod 22.41.19 # Now let's try one where I haven't made lame resample 22.42.41 # No go 22.42.56 # Slightly different sound, but other than that, same problem 22.43.23 # * lostlogic has no idea 22.44.59 Quit menosm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.46.31 # -t -m m -h -V 9 -S are my lame settings 22.46.45 # wonder if it happens with flite or espeak 22.47.21 # (and --resample 12) 22.47.42 # * rasher tries flite 22.47.49 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.47.58 Join Frede [0] (n=chatzill@i59F54FE1.versanet.de) 22.49.05 # Which reminds me it'd be nice to have my voice-building modifications committed 22.49.08 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.49.09 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.49.33 # Now it's getting weird. 22.49.41 # My flite voicefile has no pop 22.49.50 Join sucka [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 22.49.52 # But.. but.. the mp3s should be of identical quality 22.50.48 # I'm confused as well as angered 22.51.42 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.52.39 # This plain and simply does not make any sense 22.53.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.56.56 # Also, Festival sure is dog-slow 22.59.14 Join menosm__ [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fb35v.dsl.mindspring.com) 22.59.16 Nick menosm__ is now known as menosm (n=chatzill@user-11fb35v.dsl.mindspring.com) 22.59.16 # Nothing with espeak either. Still same lame settings. This does not make sense at all. 22.59.34 # * markun likes espeak 22.59.47 # I don't like this voice.. it's very metallic 23.00.15 # I'm emailing with the developer to port it to rockbox 23.01.27 # Interesting. If you happen to have a beefy ARM processor 23.01.34 # cpu 23.01.47 # do you think the other targets will be too slow? 23.02.09 # I know that ipodlinux has flite running.. 23.02.31 # I'm not qualified to even guess, but it'd be more work than using voicefiles, and more work = less battery-life 23.02.50 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-691c9c594d71bb47) 23.03.12 # markun: At a reasonable speed? 23.03.26 # linuxstb: don't know 23.05.57 # linuxstb: guess you found this by now: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59&sid=0e2439c6fdf6962cf8fd5424033f36c6 23.07.18 Quit Frede (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.07.39 # linuxstb: here some info on the speed of espeak: http://braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2006-October/040456.html 23.10.07 # or rather http://braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2006-October/040452.html 23.11.01 Part jhMikeS 23.11.02 # This sounds promising: "I originally wrote it to run on a 12MHz ARM processor!" 23.11.07 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.11.28 # rasher: flite is english only, right? 23.12.08 Join SoulDeaD [0] (i=0@83-143-180-21-ixtlan-systems.unitednet.bg) 23.12.35 # markun: No idea 23.12.46 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-165-106.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 23.12.51 Part MadDog011 23.12.55 # I've not attempted to use anything but English for any TTS 23.13.17 # I've helped Jonathan with some of the other languages for espeak, but there is a still a lot to improve. 23.14.09 Quit menosm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.14.19 # I guess this means I should add language selection to my voice building patch :-< 23.15.08 # that'll be another day 23.15.40 # yes, that would be nice 23.15.51 # espeak expects UTF-8 23.15.56 # so no problem there 23.16.29 # Yeah. I guess you could just manually edit the "voicesettings" file for now, once I add a ESPEAK_OPTS line 23.16.45 # (which I just did) 23.17.53 # And the Makefile. Not exactly user-friendly 23.18.13 Quit nls (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 23.18.39 # * rasher tries building a .. finnish voicefile 23.18.40 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.20.50 # wonder how that will work out 23.21.08 Part lowlight 23.23.03 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3002.gwdg.de) 23.23.28 # Hrm. This just sounds like the standard voice. Wonder if I did something wrong 23.24.16 # markun: Do you know of any particularly good voice for espeak? 23.25.20 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177840109.dsl.bell.ca) 23.26.22 Join TCK [0] (n=hahano@bb-87-80-197-109.ukonline.co.uk) 23.28.09 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.30.36 Quit Rob2222 () 23.31.09 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17334.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.31.49 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.33.44 Quit SoulDeaD ("Leaving") 23.37.39 # * rasher enjoys an esperanto voice file 23.38.05 # That is, I'm not enjoying it terribly, the voice is still quite metallic for my tastes 23.39.20 # Still just sounds like the english voice. 23.39.42 Quit powr-toc ("Leaving") 23.40.59 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.41.06 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 23.45.18 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 23.51.19 # erhm 23.51.33 # target tree people have failed to update firmware/FILES 23.51.54 # which is why the tarball doesn't build now 23.53.09 # Bagder: what do you think of my voice script for linux, and the (fairly hackish) way I added it to /tools/configure? (FS#5746) 23.54.31 # which of the patches are for configure then? 23.54.44 # The one in the last comment includes everything 23.54.56 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.54.57 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.54.58 # * Bagder curses firefox for not being able to show stuff inline like I want 23.55.10 # There's an extension.. 23.55.36 # named what? 23.55.36 # http://www.spasche.net/mozilla/ 23.55.44 # * Bagder checks 23.56.09 # It seems to be somewhat troublesome in FF2.0 though. Sometimes an entirely different dialog comes up 23.56.22 # ok, i'm most likely missing something, can someone look at this and see if there's a problem (wps tags): 23.56.25 # %?pv<%xdq|%xdr|%xds|%xdt|%xdu|%xdv|%xdw|%xdx|%xdy|%xdz> 23.57.35 # the volume images just do not show at all 23.57.59 # Do they show if you put them on a line of their own? (ie. without any conditions) 23.58.08 Quit ender` (" BOFH excuse #53: Little hamster in running wheel had coronary; waiting for replacement to be Fedexed from Wyoming") 23.58.44 # that's a great extension! 23.58.51 # I love it already 23.58.51 # just like put %xdq on a line? 23.58.56 # Yeah