--- Log for 08.11.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.18 # I don't at what parity, buad, etc 00.00.42 # Hey, the h120 (maybe others) has a serial port onboard 00.01.55 # I doubt you could plug serial into the remote port and be able to read anything from it 00.02.06 Join Blackvulcano [0] (n=yadida@f18209.upc-f.chello.nl) 00.02.13 # Dudesss 00.02.17 # I'm thinkin the same thing 00.02.28 # I wish I had a background in hardware ;) 00.02.48 # H10 Remote Control provides Power ON/OFF, Play, Pause, Previous, Next, and Volume control functionalities 00.03.17 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.03.20 # people here know stuff about albumart? running latest rockbox kosh build on the H320 00.03.23 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-164-120.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 00.04.09 # I got albumart running for the Icatcher theme but cat's get it up for the grey't theme for some reason 00.04.34 # I got the .wps right here and I need some help with the tagline or something to get it to work 00.04.50 Part tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 00.05.26 # I have no idea about album art. 00.05.35 # bah 00.05.36 # And little about wps in general 00.05.51 # hmm 00.06.03 # rasher you're worthless ;) 00.06.06 # j/k 00.06.14 # Why don't you ask the wps author? 00.06.27 # cuz the theme is like 4 months old 00.06.28 # :P 00.06.33 # Or ask in the Kosh thread on misticriver 00.06.47 # They're more likely to know 00.06.55 # People here generally run vanillar Rockbox 00.06.57 # I was hoping maybe one of you guys had a quick fix 00.07.53 Quit voyeur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.08.57 # * linuxstb wonders why the album art patch author never comes here to discuss the patch... 00.09.09 Nick polizei is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@p54AEF711.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.09.48 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16DE9.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.10.06 # I do believe lowlight now has to finish my simulator patch. 00.10.18 # Hm, he left 00.10.30 # Guess not, then 00.10.38 Quit Rondom (Remote closed the connection) 00.14.01 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDB3C.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.14.24 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 00.15.23 Quit Rondom (Client Quit) 00.17.47 Quit ender` (" Pets are better than children because: 11. If they get pregnant, you can sell their children.") 00.22.36 Quit bit-man ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.25.39 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.26.08 Join Quelsaruk [0] (n=kvirc@102.pool85-61-3.dynamic.uni2.es) 00.26.12 # hi hi 00.26.28 # lo lo 00.26.34 # :) 00.27.00 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-165-106.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 00.27.08 Part MadDog011 00.27.22 # how's everything? it's been a long time since i last visited the chat 00.31.51 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.33.34 # if i copy my ipod drive contents to a temp location, format the drive fat32, then copy the data back, will it still work? 00.34.10 Quit Blackvulcano (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.37.46 # Yes, Rockbox will be perfectly happy if you do that. 00.42.33 # ok 00.42.43 # i don't think i'll be sad to lose the apple firmware tbh 00.42.56 # just having some filesystem odities 00.47.44 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.48.56 # fsck wouldn't fix it either (actually kept segfaulting), hoping i can even grab the data off...hoping the drive didn't die... 00.51.01 # amiconn: you still around? 00.52.26 # there is a hidden partition on the drive, is thisnormal? 00.52.31 # yes 00.53.40 # ok 00.54.18 # what is that? 00.54.34 # the apple firmware iirc 00.56.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.56.45 # JdGordon: yes 00.57.04 # how often should ata_mmc call the callbacks? 00.57.07 # every 15min? 00.57.10 # Nimdae: It's the firmware partition. It contains the apple firmware and/or the rockbox bootloader 00.58.16 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.21 # Why use a special timer? Why not just when something else gets written? 00.58.49 # It would replicate the behaviour of the standard ata driver this way 00.59.06 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.59.11 Quit obo ("bye") 00.59.38 # Written or read, of course 01.00.17 Part Quelsaruk ("Time makes no sense") 01.00.18 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.00.19 # you want to call the callbacks from ata_flush? 01.00.30 # No, why? 01.00.36 # The mmc thread could do it 01.00.56 # Calling from ata_flush could be problematic 01.01.04 # mmc thread is only there for HOTSWAP, unless thats always... 01.01.45 # that thread only deals with SYS_USB_CONNECTED ans SYS_MMC_*.. what event do i use to call the callbacks? 01.02.01 # How do you do it in ata.c? 01.02.09 # when its idle 01.02.59 # hrrrrrmmm 01.02.59 # i suppose i could use last_disk_activity... 01.04.23 # last_disk_activity is updated with every write or read 01.05.09 # The tricky part is that the notify callbacks cause accesses themselves 01.05.26 Join wuwei [0] (n=not@client-82-28-2-235.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) 01.05.56 # the callback routine can be called twice 01.06.02 # Hello? SOS! I cant turn off my rockbox (Iriver H340) 01.06.08 # it NULLs allt he callbacks before calling them 01.06.36 # wuwei: use the reset pin 01.06.58 # amiconn: I think waiting 10s after last_disk_activity before calling the cbs would be safe? 01.06.59 # That sounds like accesses will be bogged down 01.07.05 # oooh jdGordon u legend thanks....searches for reset pib 01.07.09 # hmm 01.07.10 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-17-131.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.07.13 # under the mic 01.07.27 # What about shutdowns? 01.07.35 # (and usb connects, etc) 01.07.43 # linus reckons we dont worry about that at all 01.07.54 # thread in the dev ml 01.08.24 # Imho the callbacks must be called before shutdown 01.08.32 # crap, the drive in my ipod just threw an I/O error 01.08.35 # ...and before usb connect 01.08.40 # this isn't good 01.08.46 # he reckons let the cb owners deal with it, but i agree with you 01.09.17 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.27 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 01.09.40 Quit Tempis (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.09.50 Join Tempis [0] (i=Tempis@cpe-24-160-16-107.sw.res.rr.com) 01.09.52 # The whole purpose of these callbacks is that the callback owners don't need to deal with monitoring ata activity themselvs 01.10.01 # that would mean i wouldnt have to put " extern bool flush_config_block_callback(void); /* from apps/settings.c */ " in firmware/powermgmnt.c 01.10.09 Quit wuwei () 01.10.29 # Nimdae: is it still under warrenty? 01.10.34 # Currently there are several places which do so, and that's bad 01.11.18 # A monitoring thread might easily miss a spinup, or might catch it a little too late, and spinup again immediately after spindown 01.11.37 # The ata driver *knows* when the disk spins up 01.12.12 # I tihnk the ata thread should call the cbs and any owning threads should call them also, whichever calls first will remove it so this is safe 01.12.14 # So the centralised callback mechanism saves code _and_ is more efficient 01.12.51 # I wouldn't want the owning thread to do redundant work. It's a waste 01.13.24 # yes, but that thread could "exit" before ata, which means the cb could cause problems 01.13.43 # The callback runs in ata thread context, doesn't it? 01.13.49 # yeah 01.14.05 # So the owning thread isn't involved 01.14.17 Part Paul_the_Nerd 01.14.20 # ...other than it registers the callback. 01.14.33 # unless the callback puts an event on the "owning" thread.. like what how the buffer filling works 01.14.51 # thats a bad example because it reads instead of writes, but ti could work both ways 01.15.14 # The buffer filling is a special case. It doesn't need to happen at shutdown, obviously 01.16.57 # Btw, ata_idle_notify_init() can be simplified 01.17.19 # memset(ata_idle_notify_funcs, 0, sizeof(ata_idle_notify_funcs)); 01.17.24 # I tihnk I want to change the unregister function to optionally call the function when its unregistered 01.21.38 # Hmm, in the ata.c callback implementation there are some things which are looking suspicious to me... 01.22.17 # wow, it had an i/o error then the drive was no longer accessible, rebooted ipod, reconnected to computer, was working again 01.22.33 # does this sound like a dying drive as much to yall as it does to me? 01.22.56 # What happens to Q_SLEEP when a callback is registered? 01.23.39 # Another thing is that the callbacks are only called when the ata thread decides the disk should go to sleep 01.23.53 # ...so it effectively extends the disk spinning time 01.24.22 # it works as expected... if the cb does any disk access then the shutdown timer starts again... and no, they are called every 5 sec while the disk is idle but spinning 01.24.24 # Imho the ata thread should start calling the callbacks if the disk is spinning and there is a short idle period 01.24.39 # (1 or 2 seconds) 01.24.48 # else if (TIME_AFTER(current_tick, last_callback_run+(HZ*5))) <- change that to 2? 01.25.40 # Hmm. Guess I would need to see live behaviour of that code, both on swcodec and hwcodec 01.26.06 # ive watched the logf output and it looks ok 01.26.27 # but atm only 2 things are registered.. 01.26.28 # The fact that callback disk activity restarts the spindown timer is what I am concerned about 01.26.35 # It will break Q_SLEEP 01.26.44 # no, it will delay it.. not break it 01.26.58 # case Q_SLEEP: 01.26.59 # last_disk_activity = current_tick - sleep_timeout + (HZ/2); 01.27.20 # oh yeah, your right 01.27.24 # That adjusts last_disk_activity backwards to make it spin down half a second later 01.28.03 # case Q_SLEEP: 01.28.03 # call_ata_idle_notifys(); 01.28.04 # last_disk_activity = current_tick - sleep_timeout + (HZ/2); 01.28.04 DBUG Enqueued KICK JdGordon 01.28.04 # break; 01.28.05 # ..but then the sleep timeout will cause the callbacks to be called, and that resets last_disk_activity the standard way 01.29.10 # only the plugins call ata_sleep anyway 01.29.21 # nope 01.29.30 # oh, and mpeg.c 01.29.32 # The playback engine does it too after rebuffering 01.29.47 # no, that was removed.. it defeated the purpose of this 01.30.00 # ? 01.30.02 # but if they are called before sleeping then it can go back 01.30.49 # Another 2 suspicious things: 01.30.52 # apart from user activity, buffering was the only way the disk would spin up.. so ata_sleep meant they were never called... but with what you said before im all confused 01.31.25 # (1) The callbacks are called every 5 seconds while the disk is spinning, regardless of other activity, which might be more important and shouldn't be disturbed 01.31.59 # The callbacks should only be called if there is a short period of inactivity 01.32.43 # Of course that doesn't guarantee that subsequent activity won't be delayed, but it guarantees that the callbacks don't get in the way of continuous activity 01.33.24 # And finally, I don't understand why the disk is only sent to sleep when there were no callbacks to call 01.33.25 # what about changing that to checking if the ata_mtx has been unlocked for 2 s? 01.33.56 # Hmm, that makes sense if the callbacks are asynchronous 01.34.48 # Asynchronous callbacks are indeed a problem 01.35.27 # hrmph 01.35.35 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 01.35.35 # * amiconn doesn't like that \: 01.37.21 # Removing ata_sleep() from playback wastes energy 01.37.39 # then the cb run has to be put into the Q_SLEEP case 01.37.52 # before adjusting alst_disk_access 01.37.58 # Yes, but that forbids asynchronous callbacks 01.38.17 # like the rebuffering? 01.38.35 # Otherwise one 2 2 things might happen depending on the timing 01.38.40 # buffer refilling i mean 01.38.42 # *one of 2 01.39.24 # (1) if the callback triggers action fast enough, the action will happen before spindown, but still kill the Q_SLEEP effect 01.40.04 # (2) if the callback triggers too slow, the diskk will already be spun down, and then spin up again - even worse 01.40.18 # I think we must not allow asynchronous callbacks 01.41.48 # (if im getting the async bit worng tell me...) the only async cb atm is the buffer reffiling, which checks ata_is_active() before doin the actual refilling, so i tihnk its still safe 01.42.13 # and then that would call ata_sleep again, so the sleep still works 01.42.36 # Hmm 01.43.41 # AT least that special case should be well documented, how and why asynchronous operation works there, and that other callbacks must not do this 01.44.29 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16B4A.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.44.33 # I was going to document the usage anyway, so I can make a note about how async cb's should work 01.45.36 # Asynchronous callbacks _might_ work correctly if there is nothing that yields between the check for ata activity and the actual operation 01.45.55 # any thread that does that is just stupid 01.46.13 # rb cant swap threads unless yield or sleep is called right? 01.46.35 # Yes 01.46.43 # so it shouldnt be a problem 01.47.09 # But some functions perform a yield without the developer expecting it 01.47.20 # ...like lcd_update() on ipod video 01.47.46 # but if your checking ata_is_active, its safe to assume your going to access it now, and not draw first 01.49.20 # That was only an example 01.49.48 # There might be more functions which yield unexpectedly... so one has to be careful 01.51.29 # Is it possible to check if a mutex is locked without pausing the thread waiting for it? 01.51.57 # or i just check the mutex.locked vairable :p 01.56.55 # amiconn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7eAlmb85.html ? or continue this in the morning? 02.00.16 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.14.21 Quit Captain_A (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.17.24 Join Zeph [0] (n=saaa@89.0.184.10.dynamic.barak-online.net) 02.17.36 Nick Zeph is now known as ice (n=saaa@89.0.184.10.dynamic.barak-online.net) 02.17.51 Nick ice is now known as [iCE] (n=saaa@89.0.184.10.dynamic.barak-online.net) 02.18.12 Nick [iCE] is now known as [Zeph] (n=saaa@89.0.184.10.dynamic.barak-online.net) 02.18.33 # <[Zeph]> hey, is anyone here? 02.19.22 # Hey [Zeph], some people are 02.19.32 # <[Zeph]> great :] i have a question 02.19.39 # <[Zeph]> i just installed rockbox on my h10 02.19.57 # <[Zeph]> and the scroling is funny 02.20.17 # <[Zeph]> is it supposed to be like that? completely different.. i cant drag my finger on the touchpad anymore 02.20.30 # What do you mean by funny? 02.20.31 # <[Zeph]> plus i found a bug in the snake2 game 02.21.10 # <[Zeph]> as i just said. cant drag my finger on the touchpad 02.21.43 # <[Zeph]> top to bottom.. only single pressing or leaving my finger on the top\bottom 02.21.59 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.172.59) 02.22.16 # <[Zeph]> do u understand what im saying..? kinda hard to explain 02.22.21 # <[Zeph]> scrolling is just not comfortable. 02.22.51 # I don't have an H10, but I thought that the scrollpad was working properly on it. 02.23.09 # barrywardell is probably the best person to speak to about that. 02.23.54 # <[Zeph]> cant see him here 02.24.11 # He's often around during the daytime and the evening (GMT) 02.24.32 # <[Zeph]> okie 02.24.43 # <[Zeph]> and the album cover picture thingy wont work also 02.24.57 Part pixelma 02.25.14 # <[Zeph]> i named the .bmp file same as the album's name in id3tag and put it in the album's folder 02.25.15 # The album art is not an official part of Rockbox yet 02.25.16 # <[Zeph]> and nadda 02.25.21 # <[Zeph]> ohhh 02.25.28 # <[Zeph]> so i dont even have it installed 02.25.28 # <[Zeph]> hehe 02.25.32 # <[Zeph]> problem solved 02.25.37 # <[Zeph]> i thought it was in there 02.27.07 # For the snake2 bug, the best thing is probably to file a report in the bug tracker: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php 02.27.24 Quit funky ("leaving") 02.27.33 # <[Zeph]> cool 02.27.39 # <[Zeph]> and another thingy if you dont mind 02.28.06 # <[Zeph]> there was this comparison chart between what the original firmware has to offer and what rockbox has to offer, and i cant find it 02.28.13 # <[Zeph]> i dont remember where i saw it, do u know it? 02.28.52 # This one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison ? 02.29.04 # <[Zeph]> yes 02.29.07 # <[Zeph]> haha you rock 02.29.40 # <[Zeph]> im done and off to sleep.. ill try talkin to that barry guy you mentioned later 02.29.46 # <[Zeph]> thnx! 02.29.56 # You're welcome 02.30.02 # I'm gone too. 02.30.07 Quit dan_a () 02.49.45 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 02.56.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.00.24 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.03.56 Join menosm [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa1gr.dsl.mindspring.com) 03.03.58 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839997.dsl.bell.ca) 03.05.39 Join minDscrm [0] (n=mindscrm@dialup-4.224.237.52.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) 03.14.46 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14D09.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.31.16 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 03.31.56 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.33.50 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.38.31 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1640B.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.40.01 Quit RogerBacon (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.41.35 Nick rotator_afk is now known as rotator (n=e@74.139.213.24) 03.48.47 Quit gtkspert (Remote closed the connection) 03.49.09 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.49.15 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-241-0.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 03.49.44 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 03.50.19 Join webguest45 [0] (i=473a5360@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 03.50.53 # could somebody compile me a rockbox build... i have given up after trying numerous times both cygwin and debian 03.51.14 # i can patch all the files.... just the build comes out around 400 kb and without a .ipod file 03.51.29 # (szorry i forgot to mention this is for my ipod) 03.52.09 Quit midkay (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.54.08 Quit rakslice () 03.54.26 # webguest45: A better long term solution would be to work out the small problems, and I can help you do that 03.55.10 # ok thanks 03.55.34 # Can you build a clean cvs? 03.55.36 # do you want me to list the patches i applied? 03.55.44 # haven't tried 03.56.04 # Better to work out the kinks before adding more complications. 03.56.11 # ok 03.56.17 # will i need to redownload from CVS? 03.56.39 # Yep 03.57.05 # what do i type to go up a directory? 03.57.11 # cd .. 03.59.51 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 04.00.24 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 04.00.59 # oh farking hell 04.01.03 # ok its downloading i had some directory issues 04.02.09 # JdGordon: ? 04.02.17 # i stuffed the build again :p 04.02.23 # Nice :) 04.03.25 # webguest45: Once you've got the clean CVS make a new folder in the same folder that has "apps" "firmware" etc. Call it "compile" or something. Go into that directory and type "../tools/configure" and follow the prompts. 04.03.47 # and dont bother untill i fix this :p 04.03.59 # Oh right, yes, that too :) 04.04.42 # does it matter that i'm using an older build (october 15)... this is for patch compatibility 04.04.58 # Do you mean an old CVS? 04.05.06 # yes 04.05.53 # * scorche watches as JdGordon racks up a higher score with every commit 04.06.04 # im still well behind jhMikeS 04.06.19 # true 04.06.25 # but it is going up 04.06.26 # ;) 04.06.40 # btw, aliask: you owe me another beer 04.06.42 # ok, all fixed 04.06.44 # i was right =) 04.07.16 # scorche: Howso? 04.07.27 # webguest45: An old CVS shouldn't matter 04.07.32 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.07.34 Quit midkay ("*poff*") 04.07.36 # * scorche points to the box sitting on his lap 04.07.42 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54987497.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.09.06 # JdGordon: can't seem get an answer on the all time record score. anyone know it? 04.09.22 # you were pretty damn high.. 04.09.25 # i dont... we should do a wiki page 04.09.26 # true 04.09.43 # Anyone ever top 10k? 04.10.00 # not that i rememeber 04.10.43 # shoulda left out more stuff :P 04.10.54 # scorche: Wow that was actaully earlier than amazon said :) 04.11.26 # aliask: well it seems to be compiling so far 04.11.27 # aliask: i told you it would be here today ;) 04.11.41 # Excellent (to both of you) :) 04.12.43 # aliask: while its compiling i'll ask you... will I need to go patch by patch and compile it to see if it creates problems? 04.12.45 # ew...it has a start button 04.13.13 Join menosm_ [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa1s8.dsl.mindspring.com) 04.13.26 # webguest45: Well, if the patches are causing problems, then that would be a good way to figure out which one it is 04.14.01 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.14.37 # aliask: the patches I would like to apply would be the two multifont patches, customline, custom position, and custom display position, album art, bmp resize, and kalthares 5.5g playlist patch 04.14.46 # * jhMikeS is organizing firmware/sources big time 04.15.04 # there is an already prebuilt build on the forums, but I need the custom position patches to allow jClix 04.15.31 # aliask: so a clean CVS built correctly 04.15.35 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.16.11 # aliask: the question I'm asking is that would I be able to find the problem before compiling it? 04.16.21 # jhMikeS: awesome :D 04.16.25 # webguest45: Did the patches apply cleanly? 04.16.52 # oh farking hell.... 04.16.54 # still red 04.17.00 # most did 04.17.00 # * JdGordon is glad sweden is asleep :D 04.17.07 # i think one had an error? 04.17.29 # lol is it possible to 'unpatch' before compiling if you realize and error happened? 04.19.08 # webguest45: You can reverse a patch, but I don't know how well that works if the patch didn't apply cleanly (use the -r switch to reverse a patch) 04.20.20 # im not able to download from CVS anymore... 04.20.25 # awesome... jhMikeS's massive recording patch is about to be sent into the oblivion! 04.21.30 Quit menosm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.21.31 # * scorche giggles a bit to find out that JdGordon's score really is going up with every commit 04.22.25 Join Soap [0] (n=Clean@unaffiliated/s0ap) 04.24.18 # heh 04.24.18 # vm 04.24.19 # nvm 04.24.57 Quit webguest45 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.24.59 # may you hit the 10000 mark :D...good luck! 04.25.06 Join webguest45 [0] (i=473a5360@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2b998d92c1730356) 04.27.46 # back to green :D 04.28.02 # Grats! :p 04.32.31 Part TrueJournals 04.34.34 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 04.38.37 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 04.39.03 # jhMikeS: did you see my post on the forums? 04.39.13 # aliask: i think i've narrowed it down to the font patches 04.39.46 # im getting things like 'error: struct user_settings has no member named 'font_file' 04.40.30 # webguest45: Looks like you'll have to apply the font patches manually then 04.40.46 # Open the .patch files up, and it should be pretty self-explanatory 04.41.45 # im no developer... but these patches look a lot like flash's actionscript 04.43.31 # The patches are simple replacement instructions, there's a line number where it starts looking, then a line with a - in front to show what to delete, then a line with a + to indicate what to insert 04.44.20 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 04.47.34 Join Covert [0] (i=c86c0c6c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.48.19 # upon further reading (i'm still not sure I understand) the font patches I wanted to apply depended on custom display patch, so I patched them in the wrong order 04.51.28 # Davide-NYC: yes 04.51.38 # wadayatink? 04.53.03 Quit Covert ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.53.34 # Davide-NYC: I'm thinking it's a bit strange to hide stuff "behind". I'm not sure I quite get it yet. 04.54.20 Quit Soap ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 04.54.22 # I get the adding a line part to the WRS to display the live sample rate 04.55.05 # There definitely needs to be an indictation if things aren't matching up 04.55.26 # absolutely 04.56.03 Join Soap [0] (n=Clean@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 04.56.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.57.06 # Does that have to show up on the remote? 04.57.16 # otp brb 04.57.30 # * jhMikeS doesn't think serious recording should be done with the remote 04.59.55 # aliask: how would I manually add lcd-16bit.rej to lcd-16bit.c 05.00.28 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 05.01.18 # webguest45: Open it up in a text editor and see what didn't get patched correctly, then manually edit those lines (it could take a while, but it's the most thorough way) 05.02.16 # .. how do I find line 750,756? 05.02.38 Quit menosm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.03.21 # That'd be line 750 05.03.25 # (I think) 05.03.55 # ohh 05.04.03 # so its lines 750 and ends at 756 05.04.16 # there is two sets of info, one is a - and the other is a + 05.04.24 # so I search for the - 05.04.29 # and then replace it with the + 05.04.30 # ? 05.04.32 # Yep 05.05.15 # wait on the linux it says .o 05.05.18 # i only have a .c 05.05.23 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 05.05.43 # The linux? 05.06.14 # the terminal in linux 05.06.27 # What about the .o? 05.06.42 # i don't have a lcd 16bit.o file 05.06.46 # i only have a .c? 05.07.02 # is the patch looking for a .o? 05.07.03 # That's fine, it's talking about the object file. You don't need to worry about that 05.07.29 # ok 05.07.30 # thanks 05.12.06 # the next reject file doesn't have any minus... 05.12.35 # Just pluses? 05.13.19 # yes, but one section has neither? 05.13.19 Quit midkay ("*poff*") 05.13.43 # ahh is that possibly the reason it didn't work? 05.13.49 # Just pluses should be pretty self explanatory, and I guess you should just ignore that section 05.13.56 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 05.14.01 # See if it compiles if you just ignore that part 05.18.20 # Davide-NYC: I have to go to bed. Talk to you later...'night. 05.18.23 Part jhMikeS 05.18.44 # good night 05.19.57 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 05.20.40 # ahh thanks aliask for the help but im gonna have to quit for the nite 05.20.44 Quit RoC_MM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.20.49 # I appreciate the help and I'll continue tommorow 05.20.58 # No worries, good luck tomorrow 05.23.02 Quit webguest45 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.32.42 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]") 05.37.30 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.39.42 # is there a command to eject a usb device in linux? 05.39.47 # or just umount it? 05.44.00 # umount 05.44.12 # e.g umount /mnt/usb 05.44.15 # right 05.44.38 # but like on my desktop, i can "eject" it, which puts the ipod in a mode that is "ok" to disconnect, whereas umount doesn't do that 05.44.58 # there is a shortcut on your desktop with eject? 05.45.05 # shortcut to the ipod 05.45.10 # dclick to open 05.45.14 # ok, use that 05.45.17 # rick click brings up a context menu that includes eject 05.45.25 # it's not plugged into my desktop, that's at home ;) 05.45.36 # i brought it to work to transfer some stuff 05.45.41 # and found fs errors 05.45.47 # then use umount 05.45.56 # ok 05.47.57 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.49.05 # actually, i just discovered the eject command, heh 05.49.19 # i'll see if that works after i'm done restoring the ipod 05.50.36 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@69.241.206.171) 05.59.53 Join elljay [0] (i=lj@72.20.14.98) 05.59.59 # does rockbox support flac? 06.00.02 Quit rasher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.00.08 # yes 06.00.11 # sweet 06.00.13 # thanks 06.13.45 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FOUR-THIRTY-NINE.MIT.EDU) 06.32.30 # eject command seems to work great, yay 06.41.19 Quit minDscrm (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.53.32 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzz") 06.56.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.07.19 Join Kittt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.95.125.166.cable.012.net.il) 07.18.59 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.33.36 Quit Paul_the_Nerd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.33.44 Quit secleinteer (Connection reset by peer) 07.47.31 Join rconan_ [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 07.55.02 Quit rconan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.00.59 # morning 08.01.34 # It's been quiet here today 08.03.20 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.04.07 # JdGordon: I didn't test it yet (will do as soon as I have a little time), but the code in ata_mmc.c looks really nasty 08.04.39 # It doesn't look like it yields at all... 08.05.14 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 08.06.29 # Yep, total freeze already at bootup 08.16.45 # guess i will avoid that update for now 08.16.58 # That affects the Ondio only 08.17.10 # oh 08.18.32 # Well, I wonder why JdGordon doesn't let others who have the target test such low level changes before commit... :( 08.19.08 # But it looks like the fix is relatively simple 08.20.53 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 08.21.29 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 08.31.20 # amiconn: hmm... doh! 08.33.01 # oh.. damn.. the sleep(HZ/4); in ata.c (which i was copying) is like 2 lines off the screen which is why it was missed 08.33.02 # Fix committed.... 08.33.19 # The first while loop is quite unelegant, at least for use in ata_mmc 08.33.39 # how would you have rathered it? 08.33.48 # I changed the queue_wait into a queue_wait_w_tmo, and added the idle monitor to the default: case 08.34.01 # I wanted to get that working at least semi-properly so the setting saving doesnt thrash the disk 08.34.03 Nick [sellout] is now known as Your_Mom (n=sellout@69.241.206.171) 08.34.14 # ok, thats a bit ncier 08.34.25 Nick Your_Mom is now known as A_Fat_Slob (n=sellout@69.241.206.171) 08.34.34 # The monitor itself also isn't very elegant 08.34.35 Nick A_Fat_Slob is now known as [sellout] (n=sellout@69.241.206.171) 08.34.46 # It may easily miss activity 08.35.09 # Since the timeout is that long it's not critical 08.40.16 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.40.26 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.52.165.220) 08.42.33 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 08.47.00 # * JdGordon fears he will have to start the menu recoding patch from the begginging to figure out its problems :'( 08.47.25 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 08.47.26 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.49.35 # * amiconn wonders hwo the current idle monitor would behave on an 8MB-modded Ondio 08.50.02 # With 8MB, a full rebuffer takes significantly longer than 10 seconds 08.50.23 # ...because the MMC driver can only read ~350KByte/sec 08.50.29 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-46-45.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.50.41 # well, the buffer reffilling isnt used, so its only the config saving which would effect anything 08.51.03 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 08.51.26 # No, but the buffer refilling is longer than the idle delay, and in combination with the fact that the idle monitor may miss activity... 08.52.05 # speaking of which, is anyone interested in some 8 meg RAM and some ROM chips while i have a contact to be able to get them and in case i have to buy a few extra? 08.53.55 # amiconn: umm... maybe last_seen_mtx_unlock should be set to 0 as an else to the if (!ata_disk_is_active()) in ata_mmc 08.54.32 # so that would mean that disk access shouldnt be missed 08.54.54 # but then 10s may be way too long 08.56.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.58.24 # It would 08.58.56 # ata_disk_is_active() can be active for really short periods on Ondio 08.59.16 # I have an idea how the monitoring won't miss activity 09.02.33 Quit Sinbios (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.04.18 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.12.20 # so the scrolling on the ipod is tied closely to the cpu clock speed... 09.22.29 # does nayone care that there is bassically no filename sanity checking in the fat driver? there is a fs bug report on this which i found and wondering if i should fix it 09.25.34 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@ppp124-254.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net) 09.27.35 # what letters aren't allowed? 09.28.34 # all alpha-numeric and $ % ' - _ @ ~ ` ! ( ) { } ^ # & are allowed 09.29.00 # it actually looks like only the directory renaming checks the filename 09.29.18 # fs 5659 09.30.39 # I can't find the spec that details this 09.30.53 # http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/firmware/fatgen.mspx 09.31.05 # page 31 of that doc 09.32.08 # hehe, not on page 31 to me ;-) 09.32.15 # Word (tm) 09.32.37 # OO says page 31/36 09.32.41 # dinner... back in 20 09.32.55 # my OO doc has 40 pages... 09.35.11 # + , ; = [ ] are legal too 09.36.40 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.37.46 # Bagder: I would like to use a twiki feature (to combine cells from a row) but it needs a plugin 09.37.57 # Could you install it from me? 09.37.59 # for 09.38.40 # Zagor and LinusN has done the wiki install/fiddling so far, I rather not mess with it 09.39.25 # ok, I'll ask them 09.42.50 Join roolku [0] (i=522906c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.43.55 # markun: the table plugin is installed - I have used it for sorting by columns on the TagCache page 09.44.53 # Well, when I tried |^| to combine cells it didn't work. I'll try again. 09.46.07 # still nothing. At least not in the preview. 09.47.13 # Markun: I think you might need to enable it with the %TABLE{ }% directive first 09.48.11 Join daurn [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 09.48.34 # Markun: I had to add %TABLE{ sort="on"}% in front of the table to enable sorting, so there might be similar parameters for cellmerging 09.50.14 Join PuGz [0] (n=bwoods@203.161.84.79.static.amnet.net.au) 09.50.23 # Bagder: so do we want to bother with the checks? 09.51.07 # roolku: thanks, that works 09.51.08 # hi there. excuse my ignorance on this matter, but i have just done a read only check out of rockbox from cvs and have applied a patch i want to test on my machine. how do i now build rockbox ;) ? 09.51.21 # i am in ubuntu linux 6.10 09.51.38 # PuGz: install the compiler, run the configure script, type make 09.51.38 # and have build-essential... so i have the standard make, gcc etc 09.51.44 # which configure script? 09.51.48 # PuGz: the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling covers this 09.51.53 # sweet 09.51.59 # was looking for something like that. 09.52.27 # markun: good :) 09.55.08 Quit roolku ("CGI:IRC") 09.55.17 # roolku: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatPortPins#Dock_connector 10.00.55 Join Schnueff [0] (n=mah@wjp-dhcp230.cs.uni-sb.de) 10.08.00 Join Mmmm [0] (n=martin@cpc1-hem13-0-0-cust562.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 10.19.22 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim_pick@82-69-41-162.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 10.24.05 Join menosm [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fa19u.dsl.mindspring.com) 10.24.21 # JdGordon: With VFAT a lot more characters are allowed. VFAT stores unicode file names as UCS-2 10.24.37 # It will be way easier to check which chars are not allowed 10.24.55 # right, but dont most users use windows, and so it should conform to ms fat32? 10.25.08 # whoa that's not fat 10.25.12 # that's windows 10.25.22 # then what of the difference between 80 and 30 gig 5.5g ipod videos? 10.25.26 # FAT-wise 10.25.30 # oh? i was under the impression it was fat.. ok ignore me 10.25.56 # JdGordon: well sure, but windows might impose further restrictions that aren't strictly FAT restrictions 10.25.56 # the hardware is the same 10.26.03 # only the drives differ 10.30.30 # myzar: I don't think anyone knows the reason, but the Rockbox ATA driver doesn't appear to work on the 80GB. 10.31.06 Quit menosm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.32.43 Join madduck [0] (n=madduck@debian/developer/madduck) 10.32.51 Part PuGz 10.33.41 # progress requires constant diligence and a coordinated effort towards WORKING TOWARD A SOLUTION 10.33.50 # i say we rally together and figure it out! 10.33.52 # \o/ 10.34.02 # * Nimdae contributes his ignorance 10.35.00 # * scorche checks to see if petur is here 10.35.06 # Nimdae you negative nancy 10.35.09 # we don't need ignorance here 10.35.13 # fine 10.35.16 # seeing that he is, i will contribute a few mahna mahnas 10.35.17 # i'll leave then :( 10.35.18 # we need more positive pollys, like scorche! 10.35.29 # he's the perfect example of a contributer to our cause 10.35.34 # i am? 10.35.38 # you are now 10.35.42 # oh..alright 10.35.50 # i'm using the same sales pitch as the army, scorche 10.35.54 # just play along 10.35.59 # we'll get some new boys to iraq in no time 10.36.09 # i think i will make a series of themes based on my latest creation 10.36.11 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p548498C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.36.20 # great 10.36.35 # and when you're done, help me debug the new 80gig ipod 10.36.38 # and we'll be set ;p 10.36.47 # i don't have a 80gb ipod 10.36.51 # i think i'm one of the few that has one 10.36.52 # i just have a 30gb ipod 10.36.55 # 5g, not 5.5g 10.36.56 # but i have no idea how to contribute with it 10.37.29 # has anyone compared the internals of the 5g with the 5.5g? 10.37.36 # donate it to someone who does ;) 10.37.48 # Nimdae: yes 10.38.06 # heh 10.38.11 # i'm not made of money, scorche 10.38.11 # is there a new ata controller, or just software changes? 10.38.19 # just determination to see it DONE! 10.38.21 # \o/ 10.39.09 # The ATA controller is internal to the PortalPlayer chip, so that shouldn't be any different. 10.39.10 # JdGordon: Microsoft defined the VFAT standard... 10.39.22 # ah 10.39.27 # * scorche erases his much longer explanation 10.39.49 # Windows doesn't impose any restrictions not defined in the fat standard 10.40.10 # I only know one more restriction, but that's due to explorer, not the windows kernel 10.40.48 # Explorer doesn't allow to create filenames starting with a period. But it can handle them when they're there 10.41.49 # it treats the text past the . as an extension, so it assumes there's no file name 10.41.52 # heh 10.41.54 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.42.04 # and it has no literal code 10.42.04 # yes, that's what it says 10.42.15 # so you can't do ././ext 10.42.19 # But you can create such files from the commandline 10.42.23 # or .'.'ext 10.42.34 # depending on which literal you use 10.42.43 # bu then again who would need it 10.42.51 # ...and once they're there, explorer handles them fine as long as you don't try a rename 10.42.56 # looks like it's just an explorer limitation 10.42.59 # it is. 10.43.03 # i did a rename just fine in cmd.exe 10.43.10 # but that has mostly nothing to do with rockbox 10.43.24 # so what can be the difference between 30 and 80? 10.43.38 # JdGordon: The fat specs name all characters which are forbidden. The fat specs are in the wiki 10.44.00 # Perpendicular recording. 10.44.04 # Could that be something? 10.44.10 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.44.10 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.44.12 # doubtful 10.44.14 # probably not on its own 10.44.21 # but with such a large disk 10.44.33 # do the number of sectors (any) differ between 30 and 80? 10.44.50 # could they have tried to use more of the ATA standard with the 80? 10.44.51 # if it were with ata specs, changes in the drive shouldn't affect access to the drive 10.45.14 # ATA 1 10.45.15 # versus 10.45.17 # ATA 2-6? 10.45.21 # ATA7 even? 10.45.39 # does anyone know anything about that? 10.46.00 # i think i saw a reference somewhere they are ata5 10.46.07 # from what i recall, the number for ATA is one underneath which UDMA it is 10.46.11 # so if it's 5, it's UDMA4 10.46.28 # that's 66mhz 10.46.51 # The number tells the version of the ata protocol 10.47.00 # ...which has nothing to do with the transfer mode 10.47.05 # of coarse not 10.47.14 # but if the ATA code in rockbox was, say, unupdated 10.47.22 # That's a common misunderstanding 10.47.29 # ...also regarding USB 10.47.33 # then explain to me the vast number of ATA problems 10.47.38 # in the 5.5 30 gig patches 10.47.46 # the problems fixed in said patches 10.47.53 # People tend to use USB2.0 as a synonym for high speed mode, but that's wrong 10.47.53 # It would be interesting to know if IPL works with the 80GB model. I know their developers are working on 5.5g support, but I don't know if any of them have an 80GB. 10.48.04 # a developer from IPL mentioned it 10.48.07 # in the thread 10.48.14 # dunno if it was a real reply 10.48.46 # could it simply be disk configuration? 10.48.53 # But he didn't mention which 5.5g though IIRC. 10.49.07 # i would assume both 10.49.13 # since 80 has all the problems and NO progress has been made 10.49.18 # does the ata driver work on the 30gb 5.5g? 10.49.24 # it does, but not without problems 10.49.28 # people have all sorts of reports 10.49.42 # The ATA driver seems to work - it's the FAT driver which needs changing for the 5.5gs. 10.49.44 # it plays fine one day, then after a few days it stops playing 10.49.47 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 10.49.54 # then even after reinstallation 10.49.56 # it still wont play 10.50.00 # which makes me agree with linuxstb_ 10.50.05 # that it is indeed FAT and not ATA 10.50.30 # I wouldn't expect the ATA driver to work one day, and not the next. But the FAT driver could easily cause corruptions. 10.50.37 # that's what i'm saying 10.51.10 # what's the model of the drive used in the 80gb? 10.51.14 # MK8010GAH 10.51.15 # i believe 10.51.29 # it's not listed on toshiba's site 10.51.43 # 8009 and 8007 are 10.51.43 Join obo [0] (i=hidden-u@195.129.25.205) 10.51.49 # yes, i know. 10.51.55 # crazy 10.51.58 # perhaps an OEM model 10.52.01 # by apple? 10.52.32 # the difference between the 8007 and 8009 appear to be the connector 10.52.41 # so perhaps the 8010 is just a different connector 10.52.41 # but you are comparing 07 and 09 10.52.47 # hmm, i don't think so 10.52.50 # GeorgeSimenon 10.52.54 # which connector are you referring to? 10.52.55 # wikispam user 10.53.22 # that wouldn't warrent FAT corruption 10.53.46 # the 8009 lists "Zero Insertion Force (ZIF) connector" whereas the 8007 doesn't 10.53.55 # from http://www.ipodmods.com/shop/1716-ipod-video2g-hard-drive-disk-mk8010gah.html : 10.54.03 # You may receive an 80GB unbranded Toshiba drive: MK8009GAH (HDD1764 A ZL01) which works for All iPod Video units. The 8009 series is the same drive without the apple logo. Functionality remains the same for both drives. 10.54.14 # yeah, but if all that differs are things like that, then you might be able to use those docs as ar eference 10.55.40 # Nimdae 10.55.47 # all that means is that its easier to plug it in 10.55.57 # exactly 10.56.06 # if the differences are small like that 10.56.13 # then the rest may be fundamentally the same ;) 10.56.21 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.56.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.56.29 # we already know the differences are small like that 10.56.34 # and functionality is fundamentally the same 10.56.38 # it's in the details, my boy 10.57.05 # i wish i had $350 to get a 80gb ipod 10.57.09 # by knowing exactly what it is and debugging that, we can figure out a solution 10.57.13 # even if you had one, what could you do? 10.57.23 # alone, i mean,. 10.57.26 # take it apart and put it back together repeatedly, probably 10.57.35 # would the repitition change anything? :P 10.57.38 # i have one 10.57.41 # that's what i do with my 30gb ipod :P 10.57.49 # no particular reason 10.57.58 # i just like taking things apart :P 10.58.01 # i doubt any info i'd tell you would change anything we know 10.58.03 # =[ 10.58.22 # i've been hoping i could find a higher capacity 1.8" 5mm drive 10.59.25 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 10.59.36 # has anyone with the necessary skills even tried to install rockbox or ipl on the 80gb 5.5g? 11.00.08 # looks like i was wrong, it's ata6 11.00.38 # ooo toshiba makes a 40gb drive that would fit in the 30gb ipod case 11.01.22 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.02.44 # skills? 11.02.53 # people have tried doing it the same way as the 30 gigd 11.02.58 # it didnt quite work 11.05.14 Quit Mmmm (Remote closed the connection) 11.06.54 # i meant someone who knows how to patch and compile a new bootloader and rockbox, and who at least understand the basic concepts of what's happening 11.07.14 # could it be as simple as drive geometry? 11.07.16 # that would require some developers having said 80gig ipod 11.07.19 # i see a lot of whining from people who use obscure windows tools to patch their ipods. 11.07.30 # no, code doesn't take into account sizes 11.07.38 # and even having the 80g ipod 11.07.40 # myzar: exactly. I'm just wondering whether there are any 11.07.46 # people would need to gather together 11.07.50 # not one person (me) 11.08.03 # to understand differences and ways to fix it in rockbox 11.08.12 # and eventually make a patch or recompile 11.08.22 # check the new ports forum 11.08.27 # all the people who care have posted 11.08.40 # the rest are lurking and not posting 11.09.05 # yeah, but a lot of those seem not too technically apt. the ones who are seem to mostly have the 30gb version 11.09.43 # Kasperle 11.09.59 # you need to understand that this isn't a team of dedicated coders like on a sourceforge project 11.10.14 # it's disorganized, chaotic, and unpredictable 11.10.29 # and truth be told, any user can be a developer or submit bug reports 11.10.38 # that's the essence of open source, and why it's better 11.10.41 # myzar: all i'm asking is whether someone who knows what's happening has even confirmed that there are issues with the 80gb ipod 11.10.52 # because none of the devs have an 80 gig ipod 11.10.56 # we're in a bit of a jam here 11.11.08 # i don't recall any reply from anyone 11.11.14 # with any confirmed facts 11.11.15 # rockbox is on sourceforge... 11.11.22 Join tipi^ [0] (i=pihlstro@amadeus.cc.tut.fi) 11.11.23 # you misunderstand my point 11.11.39 # ;) 11.11.41 # i'm referring to most projects on SF as being mostly organized with a team of coders 11.11.48 # here, it's a different story 11.11.56 # and then again, most projects don't involve specific hardware 11.12.02 # so anyone can hop in and code 11.12.52 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 11.13.56 # * scorche wasnt really following the conversation anyway 11.15.06 # well, if i happen to win a lot of money in like a lottery or other gambling, i won't forget the rockbox group ;) 11.15.31 # i'd go straight to the car lot and get me a brand new car, and wish they would hurry up and get rockbox on the 80gb ipod 11.15.39 # while of course everyone could be a developer 11.16.16 # :P 11.16.20 # anyway, i'm off to bed 11.16.21 # nite 11.16.22 # a lot of people find it more plesing to wine 5h around in an forum instead on concetrate and work on a problem lige their 80Gig ipos problem 11.16.51 # i wish i could contribute more, but i have no clue about hardware 11.16.53 # they are simply not really interested in solving such problems 11.17.24 # and i can't afford to donate the hardware 11.17.25 # they enjoy watching porn more 11.17.38 # i enjoy watching porn 11.17.39 Quit Landus ("Leaving") 11.17.46 Quit HCl (Remote closed the connection) 11.17.51 # especially more than coding 11.18.05 # my sarcasm has once again not been understood 11.18.07 Join bluebrother [0] (i=810d4658@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 11.18.12 # maybe my english is to bad 11.18.22 # blue_lizard: don't worry, i like turning things around on people ;) 11.19.09 # then how did other projects get worked on 11.19.12 # explain this to me 11.19.18 # unfortunately it seem so that the people having the money fos such toys dont donate and dont contribute at all 11.19.18 # any other build has gotten SOME progress 11.19.22 # and half the whining 11.19.26 # oh boy...: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7268.0 11.19.29 # i don't understand it 11.19.32 # this is an IPOD 11.19.40 # a freaking ipod, the most popular mp3 player in the world 11.19.46 # Because the people who buy ipods are generally clueless 11.19.50 # we get NO progress and MORE whining 11.19.57 # that's stereotyping, rasher my boy 11.19.58 # scorche: i feel your pain 11.20.06 # myzar: so what, it's true 11.20.11 # are you saying people who buy OTHER mp3 players are actually non-clueless? 11.20.20 # scorche: wow 11.20.23 # people that buy ipods are newbies while people that buy other players are not? 11.20.30 # Yes. Yes I am. 11.20.36 # At least, percentage-wise. 11.20.39 # you misunderstood me but its ok 11.20.55 # ...percentage-wise?! 11.21.06 # Is this a hard concept to grasp? 11.21.08 # myzar: he speaks the truth...ipods are status symbols and a way of looking hip 11.21.12 # of COARSE since the majority of people that buy apple products are clueless dolts 11.21.17 # who want to look hip, as you say 11.21.18 # myzar: are you an linux user? 11.21.20 # only because it's the MAJORITY 11.21.25 # yes, yes i am 11.21.28 # before them, most people didnt know what the hell an mp3 was 11.21.42 # i got my ipod because it didn't cost me $250 11.21.46 # then join the beryl irc channel and take a look at the people 11.21.52 # and it was better than my other mp3 player 11.21.55 # but it's stereotyping like that which gets us off coarse 11.22.00 # and i wanted to use rockbox 11.22.01 # i got mine because it cost me only 6 souls :P 11.22.07 # the bigest idiots have the bigest grafickards 11.22.10 # * linuxstb_ likes Apple hardware, but hates Apple software... 11.22.11 # not the devs 11.22.22 # but then why do people work harder on lesser known projects 11.22.26 # and see to it that it gets progress 11.22.43 # instead of the BIGGEST, POSSIBLY THE ONE WITH THE MOST POTENTIAL 11.22.49 # because they want to see it done and have the capability to do so? 11.22.55 # The problem is that few people with a clue have a 5.5G 11.22.57 # not only 11.22.58 # but we are talking potential 11.23.02 # myzar: stop whining please. 11.23.06 # whining? 11.23.09 # because they have interrest in the problem 11.23.09 # Yes, whining. 11.23.19 # you clearly are a clueless idiot if you think i'm whining 11.23.20 # You're acting like a spoiled child who's not getting what he wants. 11.23.31 # and feel themself comfortable in solving the problem 11.23.36 # i'm acting like someone who wants to get a team going and see to it that this gets solved 11.23.42 # myzar: i think you are as well...am i a clueless idiot? =) 11.23.47 # So go do the work instead of complaining here. 11.24.05 # now i don't really think i want to do the work 11.24.18 # it's nice remarks like this that make me wonder why i even do anything for anyone online anymore 11.24.24 # hmm. The h100 hardware can only do up to 44.1kHz, can it? 11.24.26 # and like i said...it wont happen unless someone with the motivation, the unit itself, and the capability to do it comes forward 11.24.28 # MAC, Linux, or even for the rockbox community 11.24.30 # myzar: set up a paypal account and have people donate to it, use the money to get a 80gb ipod or two, and then send them to devs 11.24.58 # it looks like it was all my stupid mistake, i guess 11.25.00 # myzar: Jesus. You're acting like someone owes to you to make Rockbox work on the 5.5G, and you say WE have the wrong attitude? 11.25.24 # i said nothing, i was merely questioning something occuring on the forums 11.25.30 # not once did i mention you or anyone in here 11.25.45 # in fact, if i get approval from Bagder, i'll do the paypal thing 11.25.49 # gather various players, etc 11.26.05 # you should really read what i say before making yourself look like you didn't even read what i said, rasher 11.26.09 # myzar: It's a sad fact that almost no ipod owners contribute development time to Rockbox. Almost all of the ipod code in Rockbox is written by existing Rockbox developers who bought ipods. 11.26.19 # myzar: you asked how other projects get worked on...i gave you the 3 keys that need to be there...there is nothing else to it really 11.26.26 # and this i agree with, linuxstb_ 11.26.40 # myzar: "then how did other projects get worked on" 11.26.57 # That's what I reacted on. 11.26.59 # i understood, scorche 11.27.10 # you overreacted a bit there, rasher 11.27.18 # Whatever. 11.27.21 # i'm merely thinking how the largest mp3 player gets the least attention 11.27.27 # well, his handle *is* rasher ;) 11.27.38 # well here's the issue, people in the know contribute to the work being done, and the masses aren't in te know, so obviously a community of people won't all be contributing to the work all at once 11.27.48 # other projects also dont solve problems overnight 11.27.54 # but it hasn't been overnight 11.28.05 # as an example the openwrt project 11.28.12 # other projects have shown progress over time 11.28.17 # this one doesn't seem to be moving anywhere 11.28.22 # and that's what i'm questioning 11.28.27 # myzar: and now you whine 11.28.29 # its easy to ruin and wrt device but it costs only 60EUR in germany 11.28.30 # at least the openwrt project had the benefit of an existing opensource OS to work with 11.28.31 # no, Bagder 11.28.41 # and now, i think of the reason why and try to help correct it 11.28.41 # I've seen progress 11.28.45 # but an ipod costs a lot more 11.28.48 # that's all i want to do 11.28.53 # Nimdae: not with the version 5s 11.28.54 # myzar: go ask apple and portalplayer some doc about their components 11.28.59 # if i was to whine, i'd go on the forums and whine with everyone else 11.29.09 # the only way to get progress done is to dig in yourself 11.29.22 # that's open source 11.29.26 # petur, but if the problem involves FAT, wouldn't i have to go to toshiba and ask them? 11.29.40 # or pay someone else to do it 11.29.42 # scorche: actually, if i remember correctly, linksys changed the bootloader and os on the 5s, so it's still not that hard to work with...but i'm out of touch with the wrt community, and i have a 2.2 11.29.43 # rofl 11.29.55 # toshiba has no control about what filesystem people write to their drives 11.30.05 # of coarse they don't 11.30.06 # myzar: are confusing FAT and ATA? 11.30.08 # No. 11.30.19 Quit petur ("worrrk") 11.30.25 # one of the only differences between 30 and 80 ipods is the drive 11.30.34 # myzar: i have a question for you 11.30.36 # from what people have confirmed 11.30.42 # what is it, Nimdae 11.30.55 # have you donated anything other than written contribution to the rockbox project? such as cpu time, money, or a device? 11.30.59 # my questions still stands: has someone with a clue actually confirmed there being issues with the 80gb model? ;) 11.31.22 # i'm afraid i have not, and i thought it might be a good idea to help how i can 11.31.33 # consider doing one of those 11.31.38 # as of now, you have free software 11.31.38 # myzar: tbh, this is not that way 11.31.39 # myzar: great, welcome aboard 11.31.41 # Kasperle: Someone posted a detailed message to the mailing list stating exactly where the Rockbox ATA driver failed. But he didn't know how to fix it. 11.31.42 # deal with it ;) 11.31.49 # i got what i wanted 11.31.57 # to get people actually active in here and interested in the project 11.32.05 # free software has no guarantees to actually...function 11.32.16 # no, but if nothing is done, no progress will be made 11.32.18 # and you have no guarantee that you will be heard 11.32.29 # at least i attempted to gather together SOME people 11.32.35 # myzar: do you understand how hard it is to develop for a target that you dont have in front of you? 11.32.39 # myzar: Rockbox is a huge project, supporting about 20 different MP3 players. A small part of it is the ipods, and an even smaller part of that is the 5.5g... 11.32.41 # yes, scorche 11.32.44 # myzar: actually, i have to agree, you sound like you're whining 11.32.46 # yes, LinusN 11.32.49 # no, Nimdae 11.33.05 # You keep saying no, yet everyone seems to agree. 11.33.06 # what i mean to do is find people that CAN contribute to the project here 11.33.08 # i DO have an 80 11.33.12 # So that's one. 11.33.13 # that's what i've been TRYING to do 11.33.28 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 11.33.31 # ok, put in some code, or send it to someone who can 11.33.35 # Show of hands, who here has an ipod 5.5G 80gb? 11.33.54 # not many hands.. 11.34.05 # myzar: these are your potential allies in #rockbox.. 11.34.14 # well, i'm happy to say i at least tried 11.34.19 # myzar: btw, yes i have contributed even if not with code, hardware, or money: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7268.0 <-- kermit.pimpinwithmuppets.com is mine ;) 11.34.20 # to get some "potential allies" 11.34.29 # myzar: maybe you can ask in one of the ipod forums (like ipodwizzard) for help 11.34.35 # i think "allies" might be the wrong word... 11.34.39 # a good idea, markun 11.34.50 # but it seems i'm getting criticism here, as well as some rude remarks 11.35.01 # myzar: just ignore them :) 11.35.03 # which makes me wonder why i even devote time to something like this if the people are going to be arrogant jerks 11.35.23 # Nimdae: nice link ;) 11.35.24 # Because you came with an attitude of "why on earth is nothing happening here, it's not fair!" 11.35.37 # my attitude is my own concern 11.35.38 # scorche: -_- 11.35.40 # and how you interpret it is your own 11.35.42 Join HCl [0] (i=hcl@hecate.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 11.35.43 # i can at least say i attempted to do something 11.35.47 # i don't see you doing the same 11.35.48 # hi HCl 11.35.49 # stupid copy/paste doesnt'w ork well over synergy 11.35.51 # But your attitude is what gets you those remarks and criticism. 11.36.05 # myzar: I don't care about the ipod 5.5G 80gb 11.36.08 # my attitude being misinterpreted is your fault and yours alone 11.36.12 # and what you care about is also yours alone 11.36.18 # myzar: ok 11.36.32 # myzar: you went on a rant about how much your device is being neglected, when it is not 11.36.43 # myzar: I'm simply trying to explain what you did to attract those rude remarks. If you're not going to accept that, you shouldn't be complaining in the first place. 11.36.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-2006-11-08%2008:04:21.html 11.36.46 # there 11.36.47 # Nimdae, i was merely stating what i saw in the forums compared to other projects 11.36.51 # that's the link i intended 11.36.54 # it was not meant to be complaints or a rant 11.37.05 # intention and action are different things 11.37.17 # but how you interpret the two are your own buisiness 11.37.19 # ----------alright...that is enough...there isnt anything to be gained by continuing this conversation---------- 11.37.27 # yes, you are correct, scorche 11.37.29 # linuxstb_: is this the post you're referring to? http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-10/0014.shtml 11.37.31 # i can kill a man while intended to save his life, i still killed him 11.38.08 # Kasperle: yup 11.38.09 # anyway, i was going to bed, so nite ;) 11.38.32 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-46-45.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.38.38 # At least, that's the only mail of its kind I remember. 11.42.01 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.44.42 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 11.44.45 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 11.51.14 # i love forums 11.51.15 Quit HCl (No route to host) 11.51.16 Join HCl_ [0] (i=hcl@hecate.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 11.51.30 # one person makes a patch (200) lines 11.51.48 # and 30 persons write at least 500 lines about how it should work 11.52.27 # obviously the thing ends up with the patch not applied and the dev bored 11.52.58 # posting a patch in the forum is a waste in the first place 11.53.27 # but yes, it sometimes is a bit of a problem that people get bored and get lost before their patches are properly dealt with 11.53.36 # but hey, what can we do 11.54.14 # of course nothing can be done 11.54.29 # one cannot change the behaviour of the people 11.54.34 # and that mostly happens because a) the patch is not interesting, or b) the patch is a badly written hack, or c) it only works on one platform etc etc 11.54.54 # and the dev is not interested in working to make the patch committable 11.55.24 # Bagder: About my simulator patch of last night (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6303), what is a reasonable buffer size for storing a unix/windows path (+the rockbox path)? I have a feeling MAX_PATH is not going to cut it. 12.00.08 # Nor is 2*MAX_PATH 12.01.26 # well, a FAT32 path is max 260 characters 12.01.35 # yes, but the sim is not limited to that 12.02.12 # I guess I could artificially limit the rootdir to MAX_PATH 12.02.24 # It's not like many people use paths larger than 260 characters 12.02.35 # and even if they do, it'd be fairly easy to enlarge the buffer 12.02.42 # no, I won't mind setting a limit somewhere and just ask people to cut the path otherwise 12.02.51 # I'll just do that 12.03.03 # And change all the buffersizes in io.c to 2*MAX_PATH 12.03.15 # it's not like we need to conserve memory in the sim 12.03.36 # I suppose there's no problem in using 4*MAX_PATH 12.04.02 # The internal functions still work like on target, it's just the lower-level that needs to work with the extra-large path 12.04.57 Quit damaki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.10.18 Join Landus [0] (n=Landus@70-100-181-192.dsl1-erie.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) 12.10.46 # Or.. what. 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I use it anyway, just wanted to share my experience with others. 12.34.02 # does anyone know a bigger source for karaoke files than evillyics? 12.34.06 # evil lyrics* 12.36.02 Quit webguest30 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.40.26 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host52-146.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 12.40.53 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 12.46.26 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 12.48.30 Join linuxstb [0] (n=dave@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.49.18 Join Blackfish [0] (n=asd@p5483562B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.50.10 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.50.47 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-58-100.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.52.39 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-29-125.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.53.10 # * JdGordon is sceming his next crazy adventure in the code.... 12.53.47 # Don't you have a lot of unfinished projects? Not to tell you what to do, just wondering 12.53.51 # myzar: If you want to get the 80GB 5.5g working, I would suggest contacting the IPL people and finding out if they are having a similar problem accessing the disk on the 80GB. If they do have the problem, you could work with them to try and find the answer, if not, then you can compare the Rockbox and IPL ATA drivers and try to find out why Rockbox chokes. 12.54.18 # Simply because there are IPL devs who own 5.5gs, and no Rockbox devs who do... 12.54.20 # Wouldn't ipl be using (uc)linux ata code? 12.54.26 # Yes. 12.54.40 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 12.54.42 # I would imagine that's somewhat more advanced than Rockbox ata code 12.54.43 # But with some hardware init specific to the ipod. 12.54.50 # Ah, okay 12.56.15 Quit Blackfish ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 12.56.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.56.34 # JdGordon: lost interest in the menu patch? 12.56.47 # LinusN: no, im pissed off with it tho 12.57.16 # i resynced it this morning and the boost problem is still there.. and now its refusing to load a theme which it didnt have a problem with last week :'( 12.58.41 # also, I need to either add a thread for the settings, or figure out a better way to save because using the ata_idle it stkOv's the ata thread.. 13.02.04 # * rasher looks at ReleaseTodo and notes that most tasks are actually fairly close to done at this point 13.02.34 # Remote and voice support have come a long way since then 13.03.37 # * scorche hasnt heard the word "release" in months 13.04.14 # I suggest Rockbox starts releasing every 2 months. 13.04.18 # * rasher ducks and runs 13.04.27 # haha.. you make funny 13.05.56 # Remote support for iRiver, <- thats not 100%? 13.06.02 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 13.06.38 # Or at least 95% 13.06.54 # But yeah, I'd say Done 13.07.08 # And voice is.. fairly close 13.07.33 Join MattskiMax [0] (n=MattskiM@203-206-51-27.dyn.iinet.net.au) 13.07.38 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.07.40 Part MattskiMax 13.08.07 # does anyone have any idea where to start debugging this very odd problem? playing audio seems to keep boosting-unboosting and according to the os debug screen the codec keeps getting run for a very short time before going back to main..? 13.08.09 # In fact, with a short bug-squashing period, (and a manual sprint), Mayday release goals could be met right now 13.08.39 # As far as I can tell anyway 13.08.54 Quit My_Sic (Remote closed the connection) 13.09.00 # heh...short bug-squashing period 13.09.17 # no, because new reocrding patch probably has bugs which need to be ironed out first 13.09.25 # Right, forgot about that 13.09.26 # and swcodec still has problems doesnt it? 13.09.28 # well I think most issues that prevented 3.0 are gone, no? 13.09.40 # i would say so 13.10.03 # * petur hasn't had any playback issues lately 13.10.21 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 13.10.28 # * JdGordon doesnt actually see the point of diong an actual release 13.10.35 # My playback pattern usually involves building a playlist (often just playing a folder), and pressing play 13.10.41 # So I've no idea 13.10.42 # a release would just be a daily anyway 13.10.48 # well, AAC will need to be cleaned up as well, correct? 13.10.55 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@jadzia.ece.fr) 13.11.04 # JdGordon: a tested stable build for users who don't want to beta test 13.11.18 # I'd say AAC can be released as "sortof working" 13.11.26 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.11.35 # * petur wished his stable recording build wasn't on the disk that crashed 13.11.39 # shouldn't we wait for the next mayday for the release? ;-) 13.11.56 # not if it means another 3 months feature freeze :'( 13.12.10 # I don't think anyone wants to repeat that 13.12.14 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host52-146.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 13.12.44 # so, why not call the daily at the end of this week a testing release build? 13.12.59 # * bluebrother would like to see that settings-in-menu stuff again. 13.13.03 # JdGordon: If the ata thread stovs because of the settings save, there are 2 options. (1) make the ata stack larger (2) check why settings save needs so much stack, and cut it down 13.13.05 # then rename it to release att he end of next week if nothing major is fixed? 13.13.41 # JdGordon: recording 13.13.47 # The code is far from release quality atm, imho 13.13.56 # I'd say recording needs to be re-fixed at the very least 13.14.02 # amiconn: yeah, setting saving is unfortunatly slightly messy now, maybe it would be nice to double the ata thread anyway to give more room and less need for async callbacks? 13.14.43 # I'd prefer removing the messiness instead 13.15.01 # Got my comment regarding code quality? 13.15.34 # its actually pretty neat, the messyness comes in because of how the settings are stored.. and yes 13.15.56 # code quality isnt important imho... it works as expected which is the big thing 13.16.15 # * amiconn disagrees 13.16.25 # * bluebrother raises his hand for code quality 13.16.35 # the average joe doesnt care about the code being pretty... 13.16.40 # as long as it works 13.16.45 # without code quality, things won't work fine 13.16.52 # but it gets unmaintainable 13.17.20 # * petur raises his code quality hand too 13.17.23 # I was working on code styled like that some time ago. It was awful. Not even a consistent indent style :( 13.18.05 # The style is one problem, but not the only one 13.18.09 # Why doesn't AAC resample? 13.18.34 # Code can be working as expected, be well indented, and still a mess 13.19.49 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 13.19.51 # * bluebrother agrees. 13.19.54 # yes, but if it works, AND releasing is "important" then imho its good enough, provided that there is at least a reminder it needs cleaning up 13.20.19 # releasing is never important for open source projects IMO :) 13.20.34 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 13.21.48 # Not extremely important, but I still believe a lot of people would like a release now and then 13.22.17 # we could do something like release candidates from time to time. 13.22.22 # as that wouldn 13.22.28 # 't imply a feature freeze 13.22.38 # doesnt it? 13.22.39 # damn, hit the wrong key :o 13.22.42 # amiconn: is anyone working on the ipod 3g? 13.22.44 # it would, unless you branched 13.22.47 # Release candidates should be eligible for release 13.22.54 # Unless major bugs are found 13.23.05 # markun: I think dan_a is the only person with a 3g. 13.23.07 # I think you're using the Microsoft definition of release candidate 13.23.16 # markun: dan_a was, but he is working on sansa atm 13.23.38 # I want to put some code back that got lost during the target tree switch 13.23.46 # feature freezes are a way to force devs to fix bugs iso add new stuff - just making RC's wouldn't 13.23.56 # hehe ... MS even releases beta software as final. 13.24.24 Join woggles [0] (n=gwxnei00@pc72.tsl.uct.ac.za) 13.24.28 # * petur wouldn't even call it beta 13.24.59 # IMO a RC doesn't forbid new features at all but just is a bit of "concentrate on bugs and let the new feature wait" 13.25.04 # alpha? 13.25.29 # bluebrother: Why would you call it "release candidate" then 13.25.54 # im considering getting a 750mAh replacement battery for my ipod mini(up from 400mAh), do u guys reckon its worth it? what do u think my new battery life will be like? 13.26.01 # I believe the Mozilla way is "correct" 13.26.14 # Do an RC, and if no bugs come up, rename to final and release 13.26.15 # markun: i believe barrywardell did the ipod move 13.26.32 # (Last Firefox 2 RC == Firefox 2) 13.26.43 # rasher: mozilla also removed the places system, afaik between some RCs. 13.27.02 # you can remove features in RC, not add... 13.27.57 Quit Rick ("I don't need to be here.") 13.28.04 # LinusN: forum search function is fubared again =/ 13.29.14 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.29.44 # Anyway, RCs are probably better suited for quicker moving projects 13.29.47 Join tim66_ [0] (n=tim_pick@82-69-41-162.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 13.29.52 # Or larger. 13.31.12 Quit Rick (Client Quit) 13.31.24 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 13.31.53 Join kumpelblase [0] (n=Jonathan@p5484B360.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.32.00 # I just updated the ReleaseTodo, please edit if you disagree (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo) 13.32.28 # hi / tach 13.33.28 # rasher: I get this: Unmatched ) in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m//Main/ReleaseTodo) <-- HERE $/ at (eval 16) line 7. 13.33.43 # petur: remote the ) from the link ;-) 13.33.50 # hahaha 13.33.55 # * petur slaps forehead 13.34.03 # the webclient doens't do this right 13.34.12 # I had it too 13.34.18 # * petur slaps webclient too 13.34.33 # * bluebrother wishes a real irc client here 13.34.35 # Nice error though by twiki 13.34.35 # so violent... 13.34.58 # yes, I do it for the stats :) 13.35.04 # hehe 13.35.09 Part kumpelblase ("Verlassend") 13.35.10 # and i get attacked =( 13.35.33 Quit daurn (Remote closed the connection) 13.35.36 # * petur wonders is scorche is his forehead or a webclient 13.35.37 Quit woggles ("Leaving") 13.35.48 # bluebrother: do you use linux? 13.36.34 # markun: yes, but I'm currently on wxp 13.37.06 # bluebrother: you could put http://antony.lesuisse.org/qweb/trac/wiki/AjaxTerm on a linux server and run irssi from a webbrowser.. :) 13.37.44 # Or use that java ssh deal 13.37.50 # mindterm? 13.38.16 # wow, that is really nice. 13.39.19 # I have a linux box I can access right now but as that box was simply standing around for 2+ years its horribly outdated (and doesn't have irssi right now) 13.39.25 # Of course, you could just run putty 13.40.02 # Bagder: LinusN: wikispam - user GeorgeSimenon 13.40.32 # wow, a writer in the wiki ;) 13.41.23 # removed 13.46.00 # some ssh client + screen + irssi == win 13.49.17 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 13.51.26 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.00.00 Quit EspeonEefi (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.01.16 # Interesting http://wiki.freeculture.org/IRony_iPod_Liberation_Party 14.01.17 Join daurn [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 14.01.52 # Even more interesting: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/projects/20061108-00.html 14.02.01 # A python rockbox installer for Ipod 14.02.57 Quit obo ("bye") 14.04.25 # That's another thing - whenever ipod users do occasionally do something Rockbox related, they do it independently... 14.04.59 # It's strange 14.05.02 # See also the "Rockbox on macpod" thread in the forums. 14.05.14 # Strange people these ipod users... :) 14.05.15 # This guy is an ubuntu developer, I wonder why he didn't come here 14.05.31 # It's not like he doesn't understand OSS 14.05.55 # maybe he did, but we don't know his nick 14.06.10 # Mako 14.06.26 # (on a wild guess, whois confirms) 14.06.57 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549302DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.07.37 # petur: Maybe, but I can't recall anyone mentioning a python installer. 14.08.01 # Nope, he was never here 14.08.10 # Or if he was, he was incognito 14.08.17 # Which seems silly 14.09.02 # Next question is of course, do we want a python installer? 14.09.37 # I don't know, but we definitely want some kind of ipod installer. 14.09.55 # If it's written well, it could be used as the basis of a python-wx installer (which would be huge, but cross platform) 14.10.11 # (huge for the windows version, that is) 14.10.28 # Ideally, we would extend Cassandra's wx-based installer, but I haven't seen her around for months. 14.10.59 # does wxwidgets run on os x? 14.11.04 # Yep. 14.11.10 Quit petur ("worrrk") 14.11.26 # Although when I tried it about 18 months ago, it was still a little flakey. But hopefully it's stable now. 14.12.08 # linuxstb: Agreed. It'd be nice to extend it with firmware-patching for irivers, bootloader-installing for ipods, etc. 14.12.22 # It should be able to do all sort of neat things like build tagcache, download and install daily/cvs builds, plus what you just said... 14.12.52 # I had a quick look in the qt4 installer2 of ipl some time ago. Still missing the time to get known of qt 14.13.07 # s/known/used/ 14.13.22 # I wonder if it'd help any if I wrote a wiki page detailing what it needs to include 14.14.17 # I think we need to decide if we are going to wait for our mythical do-everything installer, or accept one of the unofficial installers into the project. 14.14.32 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-45-241-0.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 14.14.42 # The ipodwizard installer seems a good candidate (but it's windows only, so I've never tried it). 14.15.10 # installer2 is qt4, so it runs on linux (tried, but I don't have a device) 14.15.11 # If a windows only installer is accepted, it'd probably be reasonable to adopt something like the python installer 14.15.57 # It could be useful for someone to test the various installers and document them in a wiki page. 14.16.23 # If only I had an ipod.. 14.16.34 # Someone buy me a nano so I can test intallers. 14.16.39 # If only I had windows... 14.17.56 # I'd like to have an updater that gets also installed on the device and can pull new builds from the web. 14.18.10 # I think that was Cassandra's intention. 14.18.14 # The rockbox tools can be run from the device, yes 14.18.17 # tool. 14.18.29 # Wait, Utility. 14.18.35 # Did she ever release any source? 14.19.04 # The ipod installation tools probably can't - I think you need to unmount before accessing the raw disk device. 14.19.36 # Yeah, but updating is no problem 14.19.41 # No, no source from Cassandra. 14.20.12 Quit wehn () 14.20.25 # What's a good title for a page about installers/updaters? RockboxTools? 14.20.49 # Is RockboxInstaller taken? 14.21.10 # No, but I was thinking about stuff like update/tagcache etc. 14.21.34 # (planning to have a "dream tool" listed along with the real ones) 14.22.36 # What about the old installer? 14.23.05 # The Innosetup based one 14.23.27 # I don't know why that was abandoned. 14.23.27 # is it possible extending inno setup to do stuff like firmware patching? 14.24.55 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.25.00 Nick rconan_ is now known as rconan (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.26.10 # bluebrother: Not innosetup itself, that's a script controlled installer. But innosetup could lauch tools 14.27.13 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 14.29.12 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.236.202) 14.29.59 Quit amigan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.14 Quit VOYEUR ("CGI:IRC") 14.32.46 # The ipodwizard Rockbox installer also uses some kind of generic install system, but I forget which one. 14.33.25 # Nsis? 14.33.34 # Maybe. 14.34.02 # How about "DesktopApplications" for your wiki page? It doesn't need Rockbox in the name. 14.34.21 # true 14.34.43 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.34.50 # I'm already writing on RockboxTools, but I'll abandon that once I'm ready to save 14.36.33 # amiconn: Did the old innosetup installer have the capability to download things from the web? Or is everything bundled with the installer? 14.36.35 # Wow, watching the ipodwizard forums, I think I lost several IQ points 14.37.22 # Try forums.ilounge.com... 14.38.25 Join timing [0] (i=timing@regina.org.uk) 14.39.01 # It is nsis indeed. 14.39.17 # hello, why is directory caching not set to On as default setting? 14.39.44 # the slowlyness of the dirlisting speed might scare users? 14.40.09 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FOUR-THIRTY-NINE.MIT.EDU) 14.40.14 # I think it's mainly because of the devices with low RAM, so as to not eat that 14.40.34 # Using 500kb to speed up browsing might not be a problem with 32mb ram, but it is if you only have 2MB 14.41.01 # well ram size can be detected? 14.41.29 # * Bagder never uses dir cache... 14.41.40 # Bagder: why not? 14.41.43 # i actually think dircache should be default on non-archos stuff 14.41.51 # because I don't benefit from it 14.41.52 # I think it'd be a sensible default for devices with >8mb 14.42.16 # Bagder: yeah what makes it a non benefit option for you then? 14.42.20 # I'm not even sure if I have it on or off at the moment. 14.42.22 # i'd go insane if the disk had to spin up all the time when browsing now after using dircache for a year 14.42.28 # timing: ? 14.42.30 # timing: If you browse very little, you don't need it 14.42.34 # I don't browse a lot 14.42.36 # ah yeah 14.42.38 # ah okay 14.42.46 # And then it just takes up buffer space 14.43.01 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.43.04 # But still, I think those who don't need it are a minority, and would mostly know to disable it 14.43.14 # yes 14.43.17 # yes I guess 14.44.20 # The last point being fairly important 14.45.08 Quit bluebrother ("CGI:IRC") 14.48.05 # are there good EQ presents? 14.48.14 # my EQ preset list is empty 14.48.18 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-72.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.48.31 # linuxstb: Everything is bundled. I don't know whether innosetup is capable of downloading from the web 14.49.05 # timing: I believe resent builds include some EQ presets. Whether they are any good is up to you to decide. 14.49.17 # rasher: Dircahce isn't built into the archos version 14.53.52 # Figures 14.53.57 # That just makes it easier 14.54.28 # I really think dircache should default to on, since most users will benefit, and those who'd rather be without it, are likely to know how 14.56.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.56.58 # aye, aye 14.59.06 # * linuxstb agrees 14.59.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DesktopTools 14.59.26 # I probably left out a ton 14.59.33 # There's probably other features we could enable by default - most new features seem to be disabled when they're added. 14.59.49 Join webguest30 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.00.31 # It would be nice if all you had to do to enable tag cache was to switch to "ID3 Database" (why is it still called that again?) 15.00.46 # And it'd build if it wasn't ready, after asking of course 15.01.42 # I vote for not calling it tag cache too ;-) 15.02.07 # oh yes 15.02.07 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@promi22.zmms.TU-Berlin.DE) 15.02.33 Part daurn ("So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!") 15.02.58 # I think I translated it to something horrible like "Infodatabase" (and fixed the inconsistency) 15.03.20 # what do apple call it? :> 15.03.30 # "The only thing you get"? 15.03.40 # I doubt they call it anything 15.04.15 # yes, i figured, but worth a shot 15.04.42 # If memory serves, you own a nano, go find out 15.05.18 # my nano doesn't really help me much in that endeavour 15.05.28 # it doesn't have much apple related stuff on it 15.06.04 # i think "database view" and "file view" sounds ok 15.06.14 # and i agree completely, sounds nice 15.06.44 # * Bagder agrees 15.06.48 # And the menu under file view could simply be... "Database"? 15.06.55 # yes 15.07.24 # I don't see how anyone could misunderstand that. It's a database of your songs, what else? 15.07.30 # and tag cache would be "database" 15.07.35 # exactly 15.07.48 # nice and simple 15.08.14 # How elusively siple 15.08.21 # That's probably not a real word. 15.08.40 # All Your Base 15.08.45 # lol 15.10.52 # almost makes me wish we had svn, so we could rename tagcache.c ! 15.10.56 Quit EspeonEefi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.15.28 # * rasher cooks up a tagcache > database patch 15.15.38 # Should I rename the files as well? 15.15.46 # wait with that 15.15.49 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.16.03 # testing all the builds after organizing firmware/SOURCES is tedious :P 15.16.16 # rasher: make sure you include the manual in the patch 15.16.19 # jhMikeS: cygwin? 15.16.38 # no vmware 15.17.25 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964FB8.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.17.33 # LinusN: way ahead of you. That's what made me wonder about the files, since they're mentioned in the manual 15.17.37 # but I guess that'll wait 15.17.52 Nick HCl_ is now known as HCl (i=hcl@hecate.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 15.17.58 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 15.18.08 # wish we had a quick way to set up all builds and run a make command on all of them, or is that one of those things I don't know yet? 15.18.12 # rasher: aha, you mean the database files 15.18.20 # Yeah 15.18.25 # "all" builds are quite a few... 15.18.34 # the 53 in the CVS build round aren't _all_ 15.18.40 # rasher: i think we could rename those 15.19.10 # Okay, I'll get right on it, they're simply #defines, so shouldn't be a problem 15.19.19 # Except that people will have to rename or rebuild 15.19.26 # I counted 76 if I got _all_ the folders created in advance 15.19.40 # hehe 15.19.50 # most of the way through though 15.20.36 # really only have to do make bin 15.20.37 # If you really want all, I'd expect more than just 76 15.20.45 # lowlight: I created a patch to accept a root dir argument for the sim 15.20.51 # anything in the configure menu that is 15.21.20 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.21.24 # not the debugs and all that since the source selection is basically by bootloader and simulator 15.22.50 # Ah, no , they're less 15.23.14 # (not counting dead and experimental versions) 15.23.17 # there are 25 targets (some can be ignored), then there are simulators, bootloaders and different ram sizes (in various combos) 15.23.20 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.23.52 # 19 targets * 3 types (target, bootloader, sim) 15.23.53 # rasher: nice...I'll try to test it out later 15.24.11 # (not counting the ram sizes as well) 15.24.55 # I left out: all Gmini, iFP, Gigabeat, Sansa and Elio 15.24.58 # I wasn't counting things that don't vary the sources used 15.25.14 # I don't think gmini can be considered a target by now.. 15.25.47 # Alright, Tag Cache -> Database patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6306 15.25.54 # Some things just don't have things implemented and don't compile anyway 15.25.55 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 15.26.09 # Slasheri: tagcache question... 15.26.20 # Slasheri: in check_dir won't there be problems with the recursion if curpath gets truncated in add_tagcache (during ADD_TAG)? 15.29.59 # Slaheri: after calling get_metadata, why not use id3.path instead of "path", the strncpy in get_metadata will truncate the "path" if it was too long. 15.33.06 # I know know if it people find it irritating in any way to have every #endif marked with what #if* it ends. I find it helps to not get lost. 15.33.32 # I don't know even 15.34.35 # "[Sun] is very close to announcing that it will put the mobile (ME) and standard (SE) editions of the Java platform into the GNU General Public License (GPL)" 15.34.41 # J2me on Rockbox! 15.34.59 # jhMikeS: I think that's a good habit 15.35.15 # Or whatever the standard is called. 15.36.10 # * Bagder has no clue 15.36.17 # where java enters, I leave ;-) 15.36.25 # rasher: iirc you can get the sourcecode for a j2me jvm already from sun 15.36.48 # Bagder: It's one I obey quite strictly as well as marking the the closing brace of a function with a comment containing the function name. That helps on really long ones imo to see what it is without having to scroll to the begining. Maybe just neurosis? :) 15.36.48 # but hardly GPL compatible? 15.37.07 # or a sign of age? ;-) 15.37.48 # Kasperle: wouldn't be able to use it in Rockbox though, as Bagder says 15.38.25 Part LinusN 15.38.53 # Of course, it'd probably still be a cold day in hell the day someone manages to persuade the J2ME code to compile and run on Rockbox 15.39.09 # rasher, Bagder: you're probably not allowed to distribute it, but people could build their own jvm to run on rockbox? 15.39.16 # true 15.40.52 Join yksi [0] (n=Erwin@134.76.25.72) 15.41.21 # Kasperle: I'm sure someone will take up the torch once it's GPL, then put it down, then slowly let it whimper out while insisting they're making progress. :-P 15.41.33 # hello rockboxers 15.42.04 Quit webguest30 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.43.30 # Paul_the_Nerd: hehe ;) 15.44.00 # I'd guess we'll actually have wma support before that happens! ;-P 15.44.07 # Hahaha 15.44.07 # * jhMikeS isn't the vaporware kind of guy, just the week late kind :P 15.44.38 # I'm not too trustful of the HFS+ guy either. 15.44.42 # compiling the cvm is a pain as it is, even on linux. at least it was a pain 3 years ago 15.44.50 Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection) 15.45.05 # so Duke Nukem's being ported to rocbox I hear? 15.45.15 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-72.dynamic.qsc.de) 15.45.27 Quit yksi ("Verlassend") 15.46.43 # Paul_the_Nerd: where's this guy? 15.46.44 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-ONE-TWENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU) 15.46.50 Quit GreyFoux ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") 15.47.10 # Ah, a video.. because we all know videos prove everything. 15.47.51 # "when i took the source and looked at it, the answer became obvious, it's rather simple, but a bitch to actually get working" 15.47.58 # That sounds like someone pretending to be a coder 15.48.24 # Especially since I *think* it'd be fairly easy to fake it. 15.48.26 # But I guess time will tell. 15.48.50 # I mean, I know it'd be fairly easy to fake it, but I think it'd be fairly easy for someone to have no programming knowledge at all and still fake it. 15.49.05 Part timing 15.49.34 Join minDscrm [0] (n=mindscrm@dialup-4.224.237.131.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) 15.50.05 # "maybe you should tell the rockbox people, then force people to join this forum to get rockbox on their macpods" haha 15.51.13 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 15.52.39 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 15.52.59 # * Bagder looks at the "move of the impossible" 15.53.02 # movie even 15.53.11 # Might as well just have two ipods in that video. The fact that he bothered with music and intro text seems to indicate that it's pure rubbish 15.54.06 # I'm getting motionsick. Damn 15.54.10 # indeed 15.54.15 # I'll faint soon 15.54.36 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.54.37 # I predict he'll have a harddisk crash soon and "not bother" doing it again or something like that 15.54.43 # hahaha 15.55.42 # Of course, he's more than welcome to prove me wrong, but I see no reason to believe him yet. 15.56.05 # I think a HFS+ driver would be pretty easy to spot in the source tree... 15.56.37 # gah...flickr files patent for "interestingness" 15.56.59 # Oh god. 15.57.01 # Nah 15.57.29 # It sounds more like they've patented a means of searching/sorting based on perceived interestingness of a file determined by user created metadata. 15.57.44 # Wow, I think jhMikeS was close to a new record on the build table 15.57.59 # only close? dang 15.58.16 # rasher: I think the guy's already pulled his "I'm not going to work on it any more stunt" or something, seeing the thread in their forum. 15.58.19 # I believe preglow broke 10k once. With less builds even. 15.58.46 Quit rconan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.59.22 # Paul_the_Nerd: In an extremely transparent way, too 16.00.06 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.00.16 # "I don't like this guy, so he ruined it for all of you." Heh 16.00.49 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 16.00.54 # Should probably just delete the thread in the forum 16.01.33 # maybe in his time zone it was april first? ;-) 16.01.48 # I'll give it a couple weeks. I don't like deleting threads in general, but if it starts to cause any sort of problem I will do something about the thread. 16.02.16 # Just because I don't trust people doesn't mean they're *all* liars. Just most of them. 16.02.28 # Oh, wait, no, that was yesterday. 16.04.23 # woot...nice image..it's like flickr was reading my brain... http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/ 16.06.23 # * rasher has been using a windows program to cycle through the top-100 pictures from flickr for desktop background 16.06.42 # It's pretty neat. Now I want to write something like it for linux 16.07.50 # rasher: Can it be pointed at individual aspects of Flickr, like a single set from your own collection? 16.08.19 # Not sure it can be quite that specific, let me check 16.08.31 # Oh yes, it can 16.08.42 # Or specific search words (for one person, or everyone) 16.09.00 # Or tags.. or a person's favourites.. 16.09.02 # I believe there's a flickr perl module 16.09.19 # There's probably a flickr everything module by now 16.10.09 # Paul_the_Nerd: http://www.johnsadventures.com/backend/BackgroundSwitcher/ (free as in beer, but requires .Net) 16.10.24 # The installer will download .net if you don't have it. 16.10.58 # looks like they have everything but a Rockbox plugin...http://www.flickr.com/services/api/ 16.13.06 # rasher: I have .net, since it's necessary for the XNA toolkit. 16.13.11 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 16.13.26 Quit _FireFly_ (Client Quit) 16.13.30 # lowlight: yes, true. That needs to be fixed 16.13.37 # lowlight: id3.path can be truncated as well 16.14.08 Quit Schnueff ("leaving") 16.15.08 # Help. The awesome power of the recursive acronym has fallen into the hands of Microsoft. 16.15.15 # XNA's Not Acronymed 16.16.16 # no112¤#!"1111 16.16.18 # Hahaha 16.16.32 # god salvage me from acrynyms 16.20.39 # Oh man. Now I've gone and messed my windows sims up. 16.20.47 # Oops 16.20.48 # Because I edited the sourcetree while they were building. 16.21.15 # So half of them will have tag cache named database, the other half will not. 16.21.36 # well, maybe. Perhaps they were already done. 16.23.48 # Slasheri: yes, my point was that id3.path will be truncated since only the first MAX_PATH characters will be copied from curpath. But it's also a safe buffer to modify, unlike curpath. 16.23.59 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 16.24.10 # jhMikeS: I don't mark *evry* endif with what #if it belongs to, only those with more than a couple of lines inbetween 16.24.42 Join krabador [0] (n=root@d81-211-252-62.cust.tele2.it) 16.24.46 # Slasheri: any reason *all* tags need to be less than MAX_PATH-32? 16.24.49 # regarding java, seen this: https://opensource.luminis.net/confluence/display/WONKA/Home ? 16.25.09 # ...and I never put comments at the end of a function 16.25.13 # also http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2646283822.html 16.25.46 # lowlight: nope, i don't remember why i choose that value, it was some safety margin 16.26.27 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 16.30.06 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 16.31.21 # I include system-arm.c with a UIE function in SOURCES, is does get compiled but it still complains that it UIE can't be found. It's also not in the map file. What am I doing wrong? 16.32.22 # Perhaps asking the obvious, but there's not a 'static' in front of it by accident? 16.32.54 # in front of UIE? 16.32.59 # yes 16.33.03 # no: void UIE(unsigned int pc, unsigned int num) 16.33.43 # I also have a system-pp5020.c. If I put the UIE function in there it all works fine 16.34.44 # system-arm.c does get compiled. 16.37.19 # amiconn: I went with that for awhile myself but then I wanted it marked for when it's no longer just a couple lines or else it may never get marked :\ 16.37.58 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.39.55 # if i use lcd_putsxy and after it mess around with gui_bitmap_scrollbar_draw or gui_scrollbar_draw do i still need lcd_update() afterwards? 16.40.19 # amiconn: It's probably something small I overlooked, but very frustrating 16.40.24 # or is an update included in the gui_ stuff 16.43.16 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.43.35 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 16.44.19 # I wonder if any programs such as Amarok would be interested in adding tagcache support along with their ipod support 16.44.29 # I'm sorry "Database" support 16.44.33 # hehehe 16.45.14 # it would be nich if such programs would have some plugin mechanism 16.45.23 # Most do 16.45.29 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 16.45.37 # so one could make the tagcache bevore and also resize the cover art and such 16.45.42 # Banshee, Rythmbox and Amarok all do, afaik 16.46.03 # weee. apparently i patched ipod loader 2 to boot rockbox on the 5.5g :D 16.47.09 # Still only 30gig? 16.47.14 # yeah 16.47.46 # i have no 80 gig ipod ;) 16.48.38 # though i'm wondering whether i'm booting it off the fat or ext2 partition. i fear the rockbox image is on the ext2 partition :/ 16.49.07 Join bbroke_ [0] (n=bbroke@promi22.zmms.TU-Berlin.DE) 16.50.39 Quit krabador ("Leaving.") 16.52.07 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.52.31 Quit rasher ("leaving") 16.54.44 Part Paul_the_Nerd 16.55.42 Quit bbroke (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.56.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.01.29 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 17.02.08 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.06.22 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 17.09.58 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 17.10.13 Join tim66__ [0] (n=tim_pick@82-69-41-162.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 17.19.16 # w00t 17.20.25 # preglow: what? 17.21.44 # markun: Have you tried a "make clean" (your UIE problem)? 17.22.00 # linuxstb: rm -R * and tools/configure.. :( 17.22.46 # There is a system-arm.o which gets linked and I checked with objdump that it contains UIE 17.23.06 # I always forget cvs add on something! :( 17.24.41 # jhMikeS: thanks for tidying SOURCES a bit 17.24.47 # markun: just a general commit w00t 17.24.49 # np 17.25.09 # markun: Are there any other functions defined in system-arm.c? 17.25.54 # no 17.25.59 Join Blackfish [0] (n=asd@p5483562B.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.28.40 # jhMikeS: Where did the stuff from power.c go? 17.29.07 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 17.29.33 # nothing for coldfire in power.c was needed. it was all in the target dir already 17.30.08 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.31.18 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-20-218-159.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 17.31.43 # markun: Which file does ld refer to when it tells you that UIE can not be found? Maybe the problem is in that file. 17.32.04 # ok 17.32.32 # LD rockbox.elf 17.32.32 # /usr/home/markun/tmp/src/rockbox/rockbox-commit/build/ipod5g/firmware/target/arm/crt0-pp.o: In function `undef_instr_handler': 17.32.36 # target/arm/crt0-pp.S:(.text+0x8): undefined reference to `UIE' 17.33.02 # but when I move UIE to system-pp5020.c I don't get this error 17.33.55 # Is UIE defined as extern in crt0-pp.S ? 17.34.23 # also apps/rockbox.map doesn't include system-arm.o, but it does include system-pp5020.o 17.35.02 # amiconn, linuxstb: maybe this helps: http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/out.txt 17.35.17 # Why are you using the crt0-pp.S file anyway? Shouldn't you use target/arm/crt0.S ? 17.36.13 # markun: In crt0-pp.S, try changing line 319 to read: 17.36.17 # .extern UIE 17.36.46 # The .global is wrong afaiu, and it just worked by coincidence 17.37.38 Quit tim66_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.37.38 Quit tim66 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.37.45 # linuxstb: I don't know. Didn't think I changed it to use crt0-pp.S 17.37.55 # amiconn: same problem 17.38.04 # Hmno, that is within #ifdef BOOTLOADER 17.38.08 # markun: Looking at your out.txt, are you compiling for the gigabeat or the ipod5g? 17.38.22 Join bluebrother [0] (i=6E3zlwNz@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.38.37 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.38.40 # linuxstb: ipod5g. Should have put it in my rockbox folder instead of Gigabeat 17.38.44 # No, it's not, hrmph 17.39.15 # It's a case of misleading #endif comment 17.40.26 # I can commit it with UIE in the various system-*.c files and not in sytem-arm.c 17.42.55 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-72.dynamic.qsc.de) 17.45.08 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF77F.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.46.10 Quit tim66__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.46.20 Quit bbroke_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]") 18.01.24 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 18.02.15 Quit nudelyn (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.02.31 Join Deef [0] (n=sdf@210-84-17-80.dyn.iinet.net.au) 18.03.54 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-104-224.dslaccess.co.uk) 18.04.36 # Hmm 18.04.48 # My H300 can play playlists saved from Winamp 18.04.59 # But Winamp can not play playlists saved by my H300 18.05.04 # But WMP can 18.05.08 # :( 18.05.45 # Deef: maybe winamp expects backslashes in the path? 18.06.44 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 18.08.35 # Deef: I don't know if it could cause problems, but do your filenames have non-ASCII characters? 18.08.58 # nah 18.09.14 # Its what markun said by the looks of it 18.10.47 # Rockbox uses forward slashes.. so Winamp changes Drive:/Music/Games/Sonic/Icecap.mp3 to Drive:\Playlists\/Music/Games/Sonic/Icecap.mp3 18.11.14 # Throws in the playlists directory for some reason, and that nasty \/ 18.13.29 # hrm..left in something in a header that I was gonna move but didn't :-\ 18.13.39 # Just using relative addressing.. even though it doesn't save that way 18.14.04 # Deef, you could try running the iriverify plugin on that playlists. 18.14.23 # What does the plugin do? 18.14.45 # it converts playlists to the iriver format which uses backslashes instead of slashes 18.14.47 # The files are all good.. I edited the playlist to add a .. at the start of each path, and Winamp is happy with that 18.14.52 # ah 18.15.02 # maybe that's sufficient 18.15.43 # Yup by the looks of it 18.15.48 # A plugin for Rockbox? 18.16.06 # yes. Just use the "open with" menu 18.16.10 # So it can be done on the player? 18.16.12 # .. sweet 18.16.13 # goodo 18.16.39 # yeah ... but I never tried, no idea if this is sufficient for winamp. 18.17.16 # It should be, I just switched the first forwardslash of a path to a backslash and that was enough to get Winamp playing 18.23.11 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host52-146.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 18.25.01 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 18.25.13 # Thanks for that 18.26.33 # * Deef wonders why Rockbox uses forward slashes 18.26.37 # Linux 18.26.37 # ? 18.27.51 # Does running rockbox from flash actually work for the h100 series? 18.28.20 # Works for me on my H140. It makes debugging new builds a little annoying - you need to either flash it, or remember to hold REC whilst booting to load the disk version. 18.28.28 Quit spiorf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.28.39 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host52-146.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 18.28.42 # (or rolo the disk version after booting from flash) 18.28.55 # But it seems to work well, and bootup is very fast. 18.30.05 # detect_flashed_rockbox seems to be a general purpose function. Perhaps I should use HAVE_FLASHED_ROCKBOX in system.c instead of model to select it. #define in the config file. 18.31.49 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.36.45 Quit Deef () 18.36.56 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@h148n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 18.37.26 Quit spiorf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.37.44 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host52-146.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 18.38.47 # bootup is pretty fast as it is. maybe should do one up for the x5. that's a another story 18.39.41 Join scorche [0] (n=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com) 18.42.52 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 18.43.54 Part linuxstb 18.44.32 # in my original firmware image (ipod 5.5g, 30gb), i have some data at offset 0x4800, and then at offset 0x5000 i'll get some data containing strings like "portalplayer 0.0", a build number, copyright notice, whereas with the patched ipod_fw i get nothing at offset 0x4800, but the stuff at offset 0x5000 looks similar. does anyone know what that data between 0x4800 and 0x5000 is, and whether it's needed at all? 18.46.52 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host52-146.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 18.47.20 # main needs target/ing as well... 18.50.26 # * amiconn deems non-flashed bootup rather slow 18.50.34 # _especially_ on iriver 18.51.25 # it's faster than iAudio for sure. barely get to look at the logo. 18.51.27 # ipod appears to be faster (with of removed) 18.52.01 # jhMikeS: Yes, the logo only shows up for a short time. But it takes quite a while until the logo appears 18.52.03 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-141-204.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 18.52.44 # 6-7 seconds vs. 9-10 for iAudio 18.53.07 # Yes, perhaps I am spoiled. I'm used to boot times of 3..5 seconds 18.53.10 # I think having a voice file present might have something to do with it though 18.53.22 # That is on archos, flashed 18.53.34 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.53.55 # And the most convenient thing is that it already starts to register keypresses 0.5 seconds after power on 18.53.57 # I used to not see the logo on iRiver except a ghost 18.54.42 # heh...so you can queue up to your song before rb is finished 18.56.06 # with OF on x5 you usually fall asleep and forget why you turned it on in the first place 18.56.11 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.56.14 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 18.56.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.57.12 # I can power on and push resume 18.58.56 Join barrywardell [0] (i=892b7bf0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c81b8d383b28e1ed) 18.59.45 # I'm not in the resume club. If I stopped something it's because I didn't want to hear more of it. 19.00.56 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.192.190) 19.02.23 # One thing I miss in CoWon OF is that the current browse folder follows the playback. Would like to do something to enable that behavior (optionally). 19.02.28 # Hehe, you never stop because you arrived somewhere? 19.03.01 # I don't use it in the car...it's for relaxing 19.03.35 # I never used the cowon of... 19.04.09 # It did have that one thing which was nice and maybe the backlight off power flick 19.04.53 # * jhMikeS notices people talk about OF in the past tense a lot 19.05.48 # * amiconn didn't use the OF for more than a few hours on the majority of his targets 19.06.15 # Only one of them... because back then I didn't know about rockbox 19.08.05 # And the only OF I do use occasionally is the H300 OF... for usbotg 19.09.19 # same and only reason I use x5 OF 19.09.58 # jhmikes: follows playback even while in the browser? 19.11.20 Quit quater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.11.36 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 19.12.17 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.12.36 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.14.14 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-72.dynamic.qsc.de) 19.18.25 # Lear: No...if you're say on the WPS and want to browse, it will start with the current file playing selected or something like that 19.18.46 # Well, RB has something close to that... 19.18.59 # Same folder, at least. 19.20.07 # Could be good enough but never really looked into it. I've got directories that have 100s of files (they should be laid out like that) and having the file selected would be a boon too. 19.20.41 # Rockbox does select the current file when going to the browser 19.20.46 # It's an option though 19.20.56 # Yep, see "Follow Playlist". 19.21.01 # Some people prefer the browser to always start in the root 19.21.47 Quit barrywardell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.21.49 # I'd like personally a certain keypress to do it or leave where I left off like to keep holding select for a certain time. 19.21.53 Quit rconan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.21.55 Join barrywardell_ [0] (i=892b7bf0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1bd65193155d7628) 19.23.01 Join chaebi [0] (n=kaspar@227.87.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 19.23.58 # I might have tried it way back and forgotten about it :P 19.26.53 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 19.27.16 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.29.12 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p548498C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.29.12 Part pixelma 19.29.51 # does anybody here have a PP5022.mi4 from an 8GB Sansa? 19.30.18 # * Paul_the_Nerd bought his 6gb shortly before the 8 was announced. :( 19.30.32 # I didn't know they had a different firmware, though 19.30.42 # * jhMikeS needs to put in a trap to make sure anything other than playback using the audio buffer calls audio_get_buffer first once audio is initialized 19.30.49 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.31.04 # they might be the same, i'm not sure 19.31.13 # I bet they are. 19.31.23 # I know that the 2, 4, and 6 were. 19.31.30 # they might be giants and what are we gonna do unless they are? 19.31.31 # And isn't the difference in function on the 4/6 line? 19.31.43 # mine was version 1.02.12 i think. not sure if it makes much difference 19.32.11 # the sansa updater sandisk provides only works with windows :( 19.32.49 # Yeah, I wish they hadn't moved to an updater. :( 19.33.06 Quit Ribs (Nick collision from services.) 19.33.07 Nick Ribs2 is now known as Ribs (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 19.33.11 # I seem to be using 01.00.12A 19.33.51 # I was testing dan_a's ata code and can't find the backup I made of the PP5022.mi4 19.34.44 # Paul_the_Nerd: that's the same as on Bagder's site I think. I'm not sure if a newer firmware is needed for the newer 8GB model though 19.35.20 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.35.34 # weird, did one commit and got a double...was waiting for CVS lock in firmware/export 19.35.56 # barrywardell_: I don't know. :( 19.36.38 # How does HAVE_FLASHED_ROCKBOX work with the Archoses? 19.38.08 # It doesn't. It was only relevant to the one targets that used the function detect_flashed_rockbox, H100 series 19.39.01 # So not all targets that are flashable define HAVE_FLASHED_ROCKBOX? 19.39.17 # No, but I guess they could use it now 19.39.25 # Just seems like it could cause some confusion 19.40.49 # Should've been clearer in the -m then 19.42.51 # It's just that specifying features for the higher level code tends to clean things up a lot. If it needs an #ifdef with a specific port it probably target/ material. 19.53.13 # Well, there's no guarantee that it'll stay for H100, or even Coldfire targets. 19.54.07 # Paul_the_Nerd: the ability to flash rockbox? 19.55.06 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.55.34 # jhMikeS: Yes. 19.56.23 # Paul_the_Nerd: I was actually considering adding it to x5. It's a rather slow booter and I hate to have that flash memory going to waste. 19.56.40 # That's a coldfire. :-P 19.56.47 # I know 19.56.56 # But yeah, I hear it's a nice feature. 19.57.12 # Wonder what the point in taking it out altogether would be 19.57.57 # Taking it out altogether? 19.58.06 # For coldfire 19.58.27 # I'm confused. 19.58.36 # Taking the ability to flash out? 19.58.43 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 19.58.55 # me too...you said there's no guarantee that it'll stay got H100 or even Coldfire targets. 19.59.04 # for H100 19.59.48 # I meant that there's no guarantee that it'll *only* be on those 20.00.01 # Ahh... 20.00.04 # You seemed to be talking about moving it into the /target/ areas, and I was saying it's a more global thing, at least in potential. 20.00.37 # no...that's was just a statement about the reason to define things in terms of features 20.00.45 # Ah 20.01.06 # your point was the entire point of the change :D 20.01.42 # :) 20.01.46 Quit chaebi (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.02.02 # Congratulations to us for failing to communicate clearly. 20.04.46 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 20.05.44 # lol 20.06.53 # barrywardell_: Did it work? 20.07.10 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.07.18 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.6.167) 20.07.57 # If folks targeted a few ports most relevent to them the move out #ifdef hell could be done pretty quickly imo. 20.09.00 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 20.10.15 Quit minDscrm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.11.31 Join mako [0] (i=mako@bork.hampshire.edu) 20.11.48 # greetings, i was wondering if i could get write access to the wiki 20.12.29 # BenjaminMakoHill? 20.13.08 # that's right 20.13.49 # as long as you promise not to spam it :) 20.13.55 # i promise :) 20.14.02 # i have done a quick and dirty installer in python 20.14.27 # and also run a large rockbox install party in boston 20.14.57 # done 20.15.03 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 20.15.28 # i figure both issues, an ongoing developments might be good additions to the wiki 20.15.31 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.15.40 # mako: cool, I'd heard about that install party, how'd it go? 20.16.04 # i wrote up an article on newsforge.. got published yesterday 20.16.07 # http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/31/2146245&tid=35&tid=132&tid=114 20.16.21 # about 50-60 people showed up 20.16.25 # dan_a: yes, kind of 20.16.30 # we weren't counting, unfortunately 20.16.33 # i did a couple dozen myself 20.16.38 # i think we did probably 40 total 20.16.41 # mako: it was spotted earlier today, there is some chat in the IRC logs 20.16.55 # are the logs published somewhere/ 20.17.04 # www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt 20.17.05 # dan_a: reading bank 0 works fine 20.17.10 # obo: thanks 20.17.15 # dan_a: but bank 1 doesn't seem to work 20.18.05 # ata_read_sectors freezes when you give it an address bigger than 0x7a77ff 20.18.54 # mako: someone listed your installer in DesktopTools on the wiki 20.19.03 # lowlight: ah great 20.19.33 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-101-146.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.19.52 # rasher: sorry for not showing up before.. i wanted to release the install script at the same time as the article.. and i didn't finishe either until just a few days ago 20.20.40 # mako: Oh hi. Not to worry, it's just that we get a lot of people who do stuff isolated. 20.21.01 # rasher: i understand, completely :) 20.21.19 # rasher: well, i haven't done very much :) 20.21.30 # dan_a: also, I think there should be "start-=0x7a77ff;" on line 470 20.22.07 # mako: nice article, well written 20.22.36 # rasher: and i'm here now 20.22.38 # mako: It's certainly useful, since as you noted somewhere, there's no linux installer yet. 20.22.58 # Or was. 20.23.19 # right, i think it's about ready to become an osx installer as well 20.23.26 # mako: Are you a C programmer? 20.23.32 # if i learn a little more about handling OSX partition tables and device autodetection 20.23.33 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.23.38 # linuxstb: yes 20.24.30 # Are you planning on improving ipodpatcher and/or diskdump? 20.24.51 # (I wrote the current versions, but don't really have any motivation to do more work on them) 20.24.55 # my installer would have been a shell script except i wanted to use a yaml file for storing a bunch of ipod data 20.25.01 # linuxstb: i've considered it 20.25.27 # Do you know about the ipodlinux installer? That will probably have some useful functions for detecting ipods. 20.26.02 # yes, i've used it 20.26.22 # Am I right in thinking it relies on the existence of a sysinfo file/ 20.26.23 # ? 20.26.36 # i think so 20.26.44 # i managed to do it using /sys 20.26.59 # it relies on newer kernels but it's elegant and basically always works 20.27.22 # i don't find the install process all too difficult 20.27.44 # my issue was that i wanted to install 40 in 1.5hour and needed to automate a bit for my own sanity 20.27.56 # Few people here do, that's part of the problem I guess 20.28.51 # the other thing is that the diversity of hardware and configurations makes things quite tricky 20.29.15 # but the party was a pretty good setting for it.. i managed to do weeks of debugging in an hour or so :) 20.29.35 # but it's still more like a simple automation than the ipodlinux isntaller 20.30.37 Part Paul_the_Nerd 20.31.51 Quit barrywardell_ ("CGI:IRC") 20.31.55 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 20.31.56 # well, if y'all would like me to merge my script into your repository, i'd be happy to do so 20.32.06 # mako: irony_installer-0.1a1.tar.gz is a 404 20.32.11 # i'd also be happy to keep it unofficial 20.32.18 # maybe i broke that last night 20.32.33 # rasher: one second 20.35.54 # I don't know if anyone has any plans for working on a remotely unified installer. It's really a field where Rockbox is lacking (at least on the non-Archos devices) 20.36.11 # rasher: what i've got now isn't it 20.36.34 Join barrywardell [0] (i=892b7bf0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7a123bf07bd44905) 20.36.45 # rasher: but i'm happy to work with folks to modify what i've got or write something new that is it 20.37.22 # rasher: link should work now 20.38.08 # The biggest problem is that it's python. That's fine, perhaps even ideal on Linux, but most users are on Windows, where it's either useless or a pain (for the user) 20.38.19 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 20.38.23 # But then, we could just have two seperate installers 20.38.38 # rasher: better would be c+wx or something? 20.39.01 # Probably, or qt4, or mono/.net I guess 20.39.08 # Java! *runs for cover* 20.39.09 # rasher: that's that the most platform specific thing about the script :) 20.39.36 # rasher: it's basically a shellscript i rewrote in pythonso i could use some more complex data structures 20.41.10 # how good is py2exe? 20.41.11 # I guess there's not much more to it. 20.41.27 # lowlight: I'm theorising that it'd create a lot of download overhead 20.41.41 # But I don't actually know that for sure 20.42.03 # n1s: I suppose that's an option.. if you must 20.42.20 # j/k ;-) 20.42.42 Quit dwihno (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.42.42 # Well, if someone wrote an installer in Java, I wouldn't throw it out for being Java. 20.43.01 # java might be a decent option 20.43.26 # C++ and wxwidgets would get my vote. 20.43.48 # the thing is 20.44.19 # Also, there's already some wxwidgets code around.. just need to get Christi to release the source (and/or work on it) 20.44.35 # because device autodetection and most low level device interaction is platform specific 20.44.41 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 20.44.51 # The biggest thing against java is probably, the example set by the tag db generating java thing, doesn't get a lot of updates, does it? 20.44.57 # [20:44:47] -logbot_- Cassandra (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) signed off 5 months and 19 days ago (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.44.59 # the only shared code ends up being the UI and what ended up being like 100 lines of programming logic 20.44.59 # :( 20.45.03 # I'm thinking that could be based on the ipodlinux installer - which is C++. 20.45.16 # But the UI will be Rockbox-specific, so could be any toolkit. 20.45.19 # plus a whole bunch of data 20.45.33 # n1s: That's different, the java thing got abandoned because the tagdb got abandoned 20.45.35 # yep seems like cassandra's vapourised 20.45.47 # mako: have you seen my program for converting iTunesDB to TagCache? That might be handy in getting iPods migrated 20.45.57 # but the perl script was updated 20.46.03 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 20.46.22 # hcs: i thought about doing that last time but didn't have quite enough time.. will probably write that next time i run an event 20.47.13 # hcs: there's certainly code to parse itunesdb, rest should be easy 20.47.38 # mako: I think you misunderstood, hcs has a itunesdb to tagcache program written already 20.47.39 # mako: I've already written one: ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache 20.47.49 # (in the wiki) 20.47.51 # hcs: ah, awesome :) 20.48.09 # hcs: yes, that is handy :) 20.48.40 # * mako checks it out 20.49.08 # hcs: Are you planning on extracting other things from the itunesdb, such as playlists and album art? 20.49.27 Join webguest48 [0] (i=84aa2863@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.49.37 # linuxstb: I have considered playlists, but I really don't care enough about album art 20.49.47 # Someone wrote a plugin to extract itunesdb playlists months ago, but I think it's abandoned. It's on the patch tracker though. 20.49.48 # hcs: i'd love to incorporate this as an option into my installer :) 20.50.16 # with libgpod it'd be dead simple to export playlists 20.50.17 # Is there a wiki page on how to control the ipod UIsimulator with the keyboard? The only key reference I can find is the archos documentation in the docs 20.50.33 # webguest48: run it with the --background option 20.50.35 # webguest48: start the sim with --background 20.50.43 # webguest48, see the UiSimulator wiki page. 20.50.50 # * hcs stopped typing when the other two responses came up 20.50.56 # but I'm not sure if that has the keys for ipods added. 20.51.02 # Didn't it once print the controls on the console as you started? 20.51.02 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 20.51.04 # hmm, album art support could be implemented to tagcache also.. could be some special binary tag containing fixed length of data. And of course that would be kept on disk 20.51.16 # hcs: what happens with drm music.. does it not show up or show up and not work? 20.51.40 # Slasheri: Or at least the filename of a .bmp file. 20.51.44 # mako: It ought to show up, but won't work. I don't know though, I don't have any myself. 20.51.52 # linuxstb: yep 20.52.09 # hcs: yeah, neither do i 20.52.26 # hcs: ideally you could detect that and not have it show up 20.52.28 # I've been meaning to get my roommate to let me try it out on his... 20.53.24 # yeah, there might be a flag in iTunesDB (though I doubt it) or maybe we'll need m4a parsing 20.53.45 # mako: In the filebrowser, .m4p isn't a supported extension, so it won't show up. I'm not sure about the tagcache viewer, but I doubt it will show up there either. 20.53.45 # and the program will say "Apple took your money and gave you the unusable file: %s" 20.53.54 # hcs: it's relatively straightforward to go the m4a wrote 20.54.12 # hcs: nice :) 20.54.20 # yeah, I have unDrm'd m4a that works fine 20.54.30 # though not in iTunesDB 20.54.47 # hcs: yes, i've seen that too 20.54.51 # I'd expect the tagcache viewer to not care about the file types, once the stuff is in the DB 20.55.02 # then again... I don't know 20.55.19 # i actually broke my ipod screen last week :) 20.55.38 # it's fine for installing onto and off and doing autodetection stuff, but not much else 20.55.54 # Use the voice ui 20.55.56 # mako: What theme did you select for your lucky users? I hope you didn't leave them staring at the default... 20.56.11 # linuxstb: depended on the ipod 20.56.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.56.42 # the poor man with poor vision and the nano :) 20.58.12 Join Guest52768 [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 20.58.12 Quit lini (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.59.53 # I wonder why noone have created a spoken voicefile 21.00.15 # There is a spoken voice file 21.00.24 # ... made by Christi 21.00.45 # Infortunately it was never updated, so now it's badly outdated 21.00.46 # True, but that's for Rockbox 2.3 or something 21.00.52 # *Unfortunately 21.01.10 # * linuxstb imagines developers having to speak new voice strings and including WAV files with patches... 21.01.29 # heh, imagine the collection of accents 21.01.52 # does anyone here know of a web irc client i can use to access the ipl irc channel? the only port blocked on my net connection is IRC! 21.01.55 # * bluebrother imagines the various voices in one voice file 21.02.03 # linuxstb: For how many languages? ;) 21.02.27 # Haha. Well, it's not as much work as you'd think. I started creating a danish voicefile, but decided I hated my voice too much about a third through. 21.02.43 # That took roughly a couple of hours. 21.04.18 # the editing would be a major PITA though... 21.04.32 # I'd do an English version if not for the voice thing, and the fact that I think few people would like an "English with horrible foreign accent" voice 21.04.47 # n1s: those two hours included saving each clip as a single file 21.04.50 Quit Guest52768 ("lini has no reason") 21.04.55 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 21.05.00 # you're fast... 21.05.00 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.05.18 # Well, I didn 21.05.20 Join voyeur [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fca83a919907413e) 21.05.26 # 't edit it very well 21.05.31 # just quick select+crop 21.05.50 # barrywardell: Try http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22CGI%3AIRC+Login%22 - but I've no idea if any of those hits will work. 21.05.53 # and it would be "fun" to finish a voice file only to realize you spoke too slow so that the file was too big for archoses ;-) 21.06.54 Join Albert [0] (i=d541da3a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7b4869d9f3cd8049) 21.07.19 # You could write a Rockbox plugin... 21.07.28 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-28-5.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.11.37 # On a different topic, anyone know what game "Star" is based on? 21.12.07 # barrywardell: freenode accepts connections on port 8001 21.12.18 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 21.12.50 # linuxstb: qoute from the manual It is actually a rewrite of Star, a game written by CDK designed 21.12.50 # for the hp48 calculator. 21.13.43 # I was just wondering if there were any more levels we could steal from somewhere. 21.13.49 # * n1s loves how all irc clients auto presses enter when pasting... 21.15.10 # http://www.tuxigloo.org/java/star/ 21.16.05 # I don't have java installed it seems so I can't test it but found a few java versions here and there... 21.16.53 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 21.17.27 # nls: Yes, I found that too, and I also don't have java... 21.17.43 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 21.18.47 Join SoulDeaD [0] (i=0@83-143-180-21-ixtlan-systems.unitednet.bg) 21.19.30 Join midgey34 [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 21.19.50 # obo: thanks 21.19.55 Quit Kohlrabi ("Reconnecting") 21.19.57 # * barrywardell ditches cgi:irc :) 21.19.57 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@frustrum.nosebud.de) 21.20.02 Quit barrywardell ("CGI:IRC") 21.20.42 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7bf0.ucd.ie) 21.23.07 # n1s: Hehe, that's by the very same author as the rockbox version... 21.23.38 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 21.27.20 # Hi. I just updated from CVS and now H100 and H120 fails to compile. It's the old 'No rule to make target adc-target.h' error message that shows up when button.o is built. 21.27.42 # Most probably you need to reconfigure 21.28.23 # make clean makes miracles :) 21.28.46 # but yeah, you need to reconfigure first 21.29.13 # I erased the whole sim-h100 directory and reconfigured, but the error message is still there... 21.29.43 # hmmmm 21.30.00 # All other targets seems to work ok (with simulator) 21.30.36 # use cvs -d 21.31.05 Quit voyeur ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.31.08 # that's not right 21.31.26 # cvs update -d 21.31.46 Quit Blackfish (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.32.10 # I'm trying right now.. 21.32.13 # adc-target.h is in a new directory. cvs update only downloads new directories when you use -d 21.32.41 Join Blackfish [0] (n=asd@p5483562B.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.33.11 # Thanks! Now it works again. What does that -d switch do anyway? 21.33.37 # donloads new directories 21.33.50 # downloads, even 21.34.27 # -d cvs_root_directory 21.34.27 # Use cvs_root_directory as the root directory pathname of the reposi- 21.34.27 # tory. Overrides the setting of the $CVSROOT environment variable. 21.34.27 DBUG Enqueued KICK SoulDeaD 21.34.27 # see node `Repository' in the CVS manual. 21.34.48 # it?s update that updates :P 21.36.00 # SoulDeaD: update -d is different. it downloads new directories as n1s said 21.36.04 Join webguest27 [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cd0bd0e1a6dd5dda) 21.36.10 # SoulDeaD: -d has different meanings depending on whether it's used before or after the command 21.36.44 # i am currently reading the manual 21.36.55 # nls: That java version has exactly the same 20 levels as Rockbox version... Seems the author stopped there. I prefer pixelma's graphics though. 21.37.15 # i?ve always know exactly which command i need,,, 21.37.24 # Great. Now I'm gonna try my new getpixel function for the iriver targets with 2bpp and VERTICAL_PACKING :p 21.37.39 Nick webguest27 is now known as linuxstb__ (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cd0bd0e1a6dd5dda) 21.38.04 # linuxstb_ yeah apparantly it's by the sam author :-) 21.38.57 # linuxstb__: thanks but there not all mine... AFAIR they were dionoea's invention 21.39.07 # *they're 21.47.59 # hi 21.49.11 Join voyeur [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.50.39 # i guess that i still have the svg sources for those graphics if anyone needs them 21.51.56 Quit webguest48 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.53.47 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17CAF.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.55.05 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.56.42 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 21.59.00 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p549653E7.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.59.10 # dionoea: I only completed the sets of star tiles taking the 20x20 pixels version to scale them down so the originals could only improve the quality of those a bit (only when they are bigger than that of course) 21.59.42 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B152F2.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.00.04 # well i'll see if i find the svg this week (i currently don't have the laptop i used to draw them so i can't look right away) 22.00.06 # oh... I missed the svg part... 22.00.44 # though I don't know if it's even worth it 22.01.10 # i doubt it 22.01.14 Quit voyeur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.01.26 # only if rockbox has support for bigger lcds in the future 22.01.47 # yes that's what I wanted to say, too :) 22.02.39 # i'll commit all the sources i can find (sudoku tiles were drawn with the gimp, flip it was svg too but someone changed those after me so i doubt that my sources will be of any use) 22.03.15 # minesweeper tiles were the gimp too ... or maybe just screenshots of the windows minesweeper ... i don't remember 22.03.30 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.03.42 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.03.42 # * amiconn wants to complain about the minesweeper tiles 22.04.03 # * linuxstb__ hopes they weren't copied from the Windows minesweeper... 22.04.23 # They're way too big... only few tiles fit on screen and so the game is too easy 22.04.32 # but they look like it 22.04.37 # colors were, i think that i redrew the tiles to make them look better 22.07.21 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 22.10.31 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.11.05 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-252-204-46.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 22.11.26 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 22.11.59 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 22.13.21 Join tucoz [0] (i=528676e7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cb8a6cd06bf56d73) 22.13.32 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.13.49 # hello 22.13.54 # hi 22.13.55 # nice progress lately 22.14.35 # looks like lots of nice bugfixes has been made 22.15.21 # rockbox always seems to be progressing at a fair old pace 22.15.28 # if you look at the commits, anyway 22.16.40 # regarding the game graphics discussion a while ago. What do you think about including the raw svg graphics with a commit. Or have some place in the cvs tree to keep original/raw files. 22.18.13 # My concern is that contibutors come and go, and it would be nice to have access to the .svg files (or whatever) if a new aspect ratio for instance is introduced for some target. 22.18.32 # +1 22.18.54 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa105.14.tellas.gr) 22.19.09 # wonder where that folder should go. maybe in the docs folder? 22.19.12 # sounds reasonable. 22.19.34 # how about having a "raw" subfolder below the bitmaps/native ? 22.19.46 # source instead of raw maybe 22.19.59 Quit tvelocity (Client Quit) 22.20.18 # but I guess it will still be necessary to do some hand work after scaling. I was amazed of the ipod mini tiles for jewels when I changed them. 22.20.33 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa105.14.tellas.gr) 22.20.40 # seemed like those had simply got scaled without anyone giving them a closer look afterwards. 22.21.14 # yes. but let´s say a 320x256 target gets a rockbox port. then we would like the original files. 22.21.17 # Maybe just create a "graphics" directory in the top-level of cvs. 22.21.24 # +1 22.21.37 # (to keep the apps for actual sources) 22.21.44 # maybe resources directory? 22.21.49 # or that 22.22.19 Quit lee-qid (Connection timed out) 22.22.24 # and a subtree in there for different types of resources 22.22.49 # no it?s not a good idea 22.23.16 # everyone would expect to find all types of resources there, but there are already folders for som of them.... 22.24.17 # as long as there only is graphics, the resources dir would look like resources/graphics/tile.svg ... 22.24.41 # hmmm 22.24.58 # and if another kind of resource is wanted in that directory, a new dir will be added 22.25.09 # that is how i imagine this 22.25.15 # so d i 22.25.25 # but when you say graphics 22.25.41 # there may be other filetypes then .svg 22.25.47 # sure 22.25.52 # wouldn't you rather want to organise the ressources by apps instead of ressource type ? 22.26.05 # i think they should be organized by type and purpose? 22.26.29 # i am not sure what is better 22.26.44 # i must confess that i am very new in rockbox... 22.27.01 # i am sorry for being this undecided, but i think you are right dionea 22.27.08 # dionoea 22.27.20 # whatever :) i beep on "dio" 22.27.25 # but from my previous experience i think it?s not a good idea to keep same types in different locations 22.27.26 # :) 22.28.23 # the project which i am currently working on is organize by subprojects then by codelines 22.28.44 # i do not expect the resources dir will get crowded anytime soon 22.28.57 # it?s very inconvenient when you want to sync all projects to certain codeline 22.29.25 # tucoz so do i, but we must think about future... 22.29.46 # because if we do not, some day we may blame ourselves 22.30.15 # yes, but in the future i see svn or something similar. then a move is easy. 22.30.43 # for this concrete case you?re right :) 22.31.21 # these files will never be used automatically in any way. just a nice place to keep files that some contributor might want to get hold of to improve the graphics for instance. 22.31.25 # i?ve just gone deep in principles, i am sorry 22.32.12 # i agree with you that planning for the future is important, but in this case it´s not that important. 22.32.39 # ok, i made my proposition, i?ll sleep well now :P 22.32.57 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.33.10 # good night 22.33.22 # night 22.33.41 # leka 22.34.05 # ops, it was in my mother tongue... 22.34.07 # bye 22.34.47 Quit SoulDeaD ("Leaving") 22.35.39 Quit Albert ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.36.11 Quit rconan (Remote closed the connection) 22.36.39 # tucoz: I like the idea to have those original graphics available through cvs - though I don't know which location I'd prefer 22.37.15 # maybe a new top level folder would really be a good idea, so not everyone is checking it out 22.37.35 # to avoid unneccessary traffic. 22.37.50 # I have no strong opinion either. but a top level dir is probably the best 22.38.28 # hopefully noone will commit big and ugly psd files :) 22.38.35 # hehe 22.39.00 # I would just keep it simple - e.g. /resources/star/, /resources/rockboxlogo/ (so we can put the big .tiff version) etc. 22.39.10 # * tucoz prepares a big and ugly psd to be ready for the resources dir 22.39.57 # * pixelma will add some layers ;) 22.40.03 # linuxstb: i agree 22.41.14 Part n1s 22.46.49 Quit Blackfish ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.47.47 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.52.165.220) 22.48.23 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.48.36 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.48.36 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.53.19 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 22.55.06 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 22.56.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.57.12 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-13-105.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.57.14 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 22.58.19 Quit dan_a (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.02.08 Join tomal [0] (n=tomek@84-72-153-37.dclient.hispeed.ch) 23.03.06 # oh, flac seeking 23.05.06 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 23.05.36 # yes, hooray! 23.06.54 # So was that libFLAC 1.1.3 patch helpful? 23.07.01 # new libFLAC patches finally motivated me to finish the patch 23.07.04 # I never looked at the details. 23.07.06 # yes, it was very helpful 23.07.28 # it includes an actaully intelligent seek routine 23.08.17 # Hey, long time ago I posted a patch (FS#5857) that controls what goes to IRAM depending on a target 23.09.05 # now it's down to <10 seeks for seeking in 30+ minute files w/o a seektable rather than 100+ seeks in libFLAC 1.1.2 23.10.00 # I need it for my ifp port. May someone look at it and say if it looks ok? 23.10.03 # tomal: Sounded like a very good idea to me, but I don't know enough that my opinion matters 23.10.07 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14D7C.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.11.19 # It should be useful for other ports as well, since there are differing iram sizes outside of the ifp 23.12.40 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 23.12.51 # We should just agree on macros names and things like where to put the defaults 23.15.09 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.16.26 Quit lee-qid_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.20.03 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-227-102.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 23.25.19 # tomal: It seems you've stunned everyone into silence... 23.26.00 # Or was my patch so boring that everyone fell asleep 23.26.04 # ? 23.27.07 # ZzzzZzzz :p 23.31.27 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.31.58 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 23.36.15 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-227-102.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 23.36.38 # tomal: do you plan to move the ifp to the target tree? 23.37.22 # markun: Yes, I have got a patch from JDGordon 23.38.06 # markun: I have to test it, but some recent changes don't work on ifp 23.38.57 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 23.39.39 Join Soap [0] (n=Clean@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 23.39.42 # markun: The patch looks quite good though (FS#6273). I would just remove some charger related functions (ifp doesn't have a charger) 23.44.32 # petur: do you think it useful at all to have an option in recording to turn on digital output when recording even if the normal setting is off? 23.45.18 # you mean recording analog and monitoring digital? 23.46.08 # recording anything and monitoring digital but not having to set it on for playback to have it on for recording 23.46.47 # I don't have an h1x0 so maybe ask amiconn or so... 23.46.49 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.46.57 # I gtg anyway 23.47.15 # later. Maybe I'll post in the forum 23.47.21 # do that 23.47.33 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 23.51.10 Quit Gena` (Remote closed the connection) 23.51.21 Join Gena` [0] (n=Gena@80.178.70.219.adsl.012.net.il) 23.53.15 Quit GreyFoux ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") 23.55.52 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 23.56.13 # Thought of another thing: I always save my config as the same file and would like to just like a shortcut so I can save as rockbox.cfg or something every time instead of getting a different numbered filename. There should be a Save to rockbox.cfg or something imo to make it easier to do a quick save of settings without creating another file or having to change it. 23.58.05 # Wondering if anyone would find that sort of thing useful 23.58.17 Join Caliban [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 23.58.18 # besides myself :) 23.58.20 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]")