--- Log for 11.11.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.06 # we might be getting somewhere :) 00.01.05 Join voyeur [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.01.19 # hmm.. maybe the patch is hosed.. 00.01.54 # well, if you already applied some of it, youll get errors 00.02.10 # nah.. i nuked the dir and re extracted the bz2 00.03.56 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.05.26 # midgey34: hmm. just tried a build there 00.05.55 # it looks like it could be similar to a problem i encountered before 00.06.18 # where ld on osx doesn't like making an empty file 00.06.57 # hmm 00.07.47 # it happend before when building bitmaps 00.08.09 # when it tried to build bitmap dirs with no bitmaps in them it gave an error 00.08.25 # that's why there are osx.dummy.bmp files in some of the bitmap dirs now 00.08.56 # yah, i understood that 00.09.47 # i'm not sure if it's the same problem here, but it's a possibliity 00.12.27 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.193.218) 00.13.35 Quit damaki_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.16.54 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 00.17.08 Quit webguest49 ("CGI:IRC") 00.18.42 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.25.12 # what's a device that the devs are short on right now that would help improve development for said device? 00.25.57 # Nimdae: gigabeat 00.26.03 # see #gigabeat for details 00.26.09 # if anyone is in there 00.30.04 Quit FOAD ("Lost terminal") 00.32.29 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 00.32.41 # just curious because i may be getting a new job with significant pay increase 00.32.46 # i may be feeling generous ;) 00.32.55 # gigabeat S right? 00.33.54 # oh yeah, this is the device that the zune basically is 00.35.46 # Except the Zune has a bit more hardware. 00.36.29 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p5493301D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.37.14 # yeah 00.37.20 # the wifi, etc 00.37.38 # Yep 00.38.06 # i read somewhere that toshiba is actually building the zune for microsoft 00.39.16 # Yeah 00.39.19 # So I've heard 00.40.32 # * Genre9mp3 wonders why this is supposed to be a (specific) Zune accessory: http://www.zune.net/en-us/accessories/monster/musicshare.htm# 00.41.01 Quit voyeur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.43.07 # if you could get audio on the gigabeat F going you'd be my hero :) 00.43.37 # it's a zune accessory because it huge and ugly as fuck 00.43.46 # Genre9mp3: Hahaha, advertising is wonderful 00.44.07 # Paul_the_Nerd: indeed 00.44.31 # it's $20 because its made by monster too :) 00.44.32 # noticed the "Designed for Zune" logo? 00.44.34 # pffft 00.45.14 # Well, a splitter + two in-line volume adjusters might run $20 if you got them ad radio shack anyway 00.45.47 # i made a volume splitter in a mint can which ran off 9v :D 00.46.22 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 00.46.45 # it's made for zune because that label will make it sell 00.46.57 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-60-249.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.47.00 # cd #gigabeat 00.47.03 Nick GreyFoux is now known as nGs|GreySleeps (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-60-249.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.47.03 # wtf am i thinking 00.47.09 # Hahaha 00.47.13 # LOL 00.47.48 # i'm troubleshooting hard drive errors on a server at the moment, guess i have linux commands on the mind 00.49.13 Quit ender` (" In its default setup, Windows XP on the Internet amounts to a car parked in a bad part of town, with the doors unlocked, the) 00.50.01 # amiconn: i updated that power management patch so that it doesn't shutdown on NiMH/Alkaline batteries. It adds an empty function to flash/bootbox/main.c though. does that matter? 00.53.16 Part n1s 00.57.34 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 00.57.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.01.03 Quit tim66 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.01.48 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.02.10 # is there a rockbox related ipod channel too? 01.02.13 # * Nimdae /lists 01.02.44 # ok, doing /list on irssi == bad 01.04.50 # This is really the only official Rockbox channel 01.11.47 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.13.01 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.13.11 # Hi guys. 01.13.58 # FINE, ignore me! 01.14.00 # :P 01.14.37 Quit obo ("bye") 01.14.45 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 01.15.39 # lostlogic: i noticed you were working on the power management patch a few months ago. any reason why you didn't commit it? 01.20.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host225-142.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 01.22.46 Quit ScoTTie_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.28.02 Join ScoTTie [0] (i=skotty@220-253-38-62.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.28.14 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.29.14 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.32.59 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.38.39 Join hacksaw [0] (n=paradox@124-168-143-63.dyn.iinet.net.au) 01.39.18 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 01.42.01 # barrywardell: Probalby just that I was too busy to look at it properly 01.43.25 # roflol 01.43.42 # preglow: snot that funny 01.43.46 # or maybe it is at 1am 01.44.06 # haha 01.44.33 # more like 2 01.44.50 # you're in +1? ok. 01.44.54 # yups 01.45.13 # and it's pretty darned cold here, i'll have you know 01.45.23 # It's all *hot* here. 01.45.39 # It's 30C right now. =/ 01.45.47 # it's fscking freezing and raining here -- I came back to the office because I wanted to warm up before bicycling my 4 miles home in the coldass rain 01.45.48 # i think it looks quite good to commit to me 01.46.01 # barrywardell: you have commit access now, right? go for it. 01.46.22 # yeah, i was just wondering if there had been a reason you didn't commit it 01.46.29 # it's just around 0 centigrade here 01.46.31 # :) 01.46.37 # going to get worse, but feels bad enough 01.46.39 # so i'll go ahead and commit it now 01.46.40 # we're ~5C and thunderstorm 01.46.55 # but what a nice excuse to warm up with some gammel dansk 01.47.02 # * Paul_the_Nerd envies all you people that have an actual "winter" 01.47.11 # hehe, I'm properly beer'd up to ride home :) 01.47.16 # I don't care if *you* don't like it. 01.47.25 # Paul_the_Nerd: oh, i like it 01.47.35 # * lostlogic too 01.47.54 # i like that about this place, get both a nice winter and a good summer, if you're lucky 01.48.30 # summer's not too long, but you do get a couple of months of more than hot enough weather if you're lucky 01.48.37 Join Duffman90 [0] (n=MrLongDo@Q08ea.q.pppool.de) 01.49.18 Part Duffman90 01.50.58 # but i think i'll just go with the excuse and warm up with an ipa 01.52.36 # you people and your internation standards temperature measurement 01.54.01 # Nimdae: I'm in Texas. It's 85F now, it was over 90 earlier today, I just converted for everyone's convenience. 01.55.45 # mmmmm, nice ipa 01.56.32 # 63 here 01.56.34 # and i'm in texas 01.56.47 # well, texas is big enough for some variation, heh 01.56.53 # well 01.56.57 # Texas is big enough for a *lot* of variation. :) 01.57.08 # http://www.nimdae.com/pics/cold2.jpg 01.57.41 # Nimdae: It *almost* pulled it off for one day later 01.57.52 # heh 01.58.15 # that would have been even better 01.58.16 # * BHSPitLappy is a Texan. 01.59.33 # Paul_the_Nerd, live here, or just visiting? 01.59.55 # Well, spent about half my life on and off in Texas. 02.00.00 # Live in Austin for the time being. 02.00.01 # ah. 02.00.04 # never knew. 02.00.15 # So, I'm not sure if you'd consider me a Texan. ;) I know plenty of folk who wouldn't. 02.03.32 # i was born and raised in texas ;) 02.03.47 # I was born in Louisiana, and raised all over. :) 02.04.11 # heh 02.06.22 # interesting how the word 'folk' is used exactly as in norwegian 02.06.31 # but then i do tend to find stuff like that interesting... 02.06.36 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 02.06.37 # Hahaha. 02.08.55 # I would have said folks 02.09.08 # any mac users here? 02.09.20 Quit Genre9mp3 (Nick collision from services.) 02.09.24 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 02.09.27 # isn't folk and folks the same? both are plural in a sense 02.09.43 # i'll just stop speaking semantic nonsense 02.10.10 # I would use "folk" as plural if it were paired with another word to describe a type of people 02.10.14 # BHSPitLappy: i think linuxstb uses macs 02.10.23 # like "carnival folk" or "kin folk" 02.10.31 # or mac folk ;) 02.10.34 # haha 02.10.36 # indeed 02.10.46 # but not "look at those folk over there"... 02.10.47 # still amuses me how it's used exactly the same in all contexts i can think of 02.11.22 # then where's linuxstb_ ... 02.11.28 # * BHSPitLappy taps foot impatiently 02.11.29 # ;) 02.12.05 # preglow: To me, "folk" means one collection of people, and "folks" means multiple, like the difference between people and peoples, but I'm quirky like that. 02.12.43 # makes sense 02.12.51 # i never say "peoples" in a serious sense 02.12.57 # only in a mocking manner 02.13.02 # I can't think of a singular context of folk 02.13.11 # because there isn't one, heh 02.13.13 # Nimdae: I never say it, but it's come up a few times in writing. 02.13.24 # which is why i told myself to stop speaking gibberish 02.13.43 # 'folk' just means 'people' in norwegian, so i say it all the time 02.13.48 # screw it, I'll just join ##apple 02.13.49 # like "how's my peoples?" 02.15.59 # fuck 02.16.02 # someone should port the ipl serial stuff to rockbox >.> 02.16.12 # i would if i knew how, heh 02.16.14 # -what- iPL serial stuff 02.16.14 # does anyone know a program that'll remove the newlines that people add to format text to 80 columns? 02.16.23 # but not everything else 02.16.24 # locutox, watch your language. 02.16.31 # ok 02.16.39 # sed? 02.17.14 # BHSPitLappy: apparently ipl figured out how to get the serial port working and use the apple accessory protocol 02.17.58 # they can send raw stuff, on 1G-3G models 02.18.01 # sed eh 02.18.14 # and are those even serious rockbox targets 02.18.38 Join uski [0] (n=uski@stargate.esiee.fr) 02.18.48 # i was reading stuff on the 4g and 5g as well 02.18.52 # locutox: i think you'll need indent or something 02.18.54 # in their forum 02.19.03 # locutox: it requires a tool that can parse the language in question 02.19.07 # i want the reverse of line wrapping 02.19.12 # BHSPitLappy: We have a working 3G port, at least. 02.19.18 # hi guys; well I'm having a random C problem, i know it's offtopic but maybe someone here will be able to help me; it's related with shared libraries in C so if anyone thinks he can help please PM me... 02.19.25 # locutox: i know, and like i said, unless you're talking about .txt, you need a tool that knows the language 02.19.26 # BHSPitLappy: Nobody with a 1g/2g has done any work though, I think 02.19.33 # uski: ask away 02.19.39 # oh, pm... 02.19.50 # well i just don't want to be offtopic here :) 02.20.19 # locutox: i'm betting sed will do what you want 02.20.39 # sed looks like its for wrapping text 02.20.44 # but i will play with it 02.20.53 # actually, sed is for parsing text, really 02.21.00 # you can do all kinds of things with it 02.21.07 # i see it mostly used for find/replace tasks 02.22.52 # ahh 02.24.08 # i wish our rhn server would stop emailing me :( 02.24.55 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 02.31.12 # hehe 02.31.12 # http://www.evula.org/dragoon/pics/supercoder.jpg 02.32.24 # i need one of those 02.40.47 Join homielowe [0] (i=42b74c07@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.41.27 # barrywardell: i got the ondio sim to build 02.41.40 # great. what was the problem? 02.41.56 # well i just disabled the building of the codecs 02.42.50 Quit homielowe (Client Quit) 02.43.21 Quit Blackfish ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 02.43.47 # i think it has something to do with ld and its dislike for creating empty files 02.44.14 # since ondio is HWCODEC it wont build any codecs so libcodec.a is empty 02.46.18 # i see 02.46.39 # do you have a patch? 02.46.50 # no, it was simply a hack to see if it would build 02.47.20 # my way just skips building codecs (obviously a bad thing for swcodec) 02.47.42 # ah, ok. surely there must be a method similar to what's done with the bitmaps 02.52.57 Join vadim_ [0] (n=vadim@ip70-181-141-86.sd.sd.cox.net) 02.57.07 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@ppp98-163.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 02.57.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.12.43 Part pixelma 03.15.44 Join BlackHoleOfCode [0] (n=BlackHol@69-172-138-70.atlsfl.adelphia.net) 03.17.28 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 03.21.22 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-165-106.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 03.21.28 Part MadDog011 03.22.17 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 03.25.14 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 03.27.20 Quit rasher ("leaving") 03.32.11 Quit vadim_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.35.25 Quit newbyx86 (Remote closed the connection) 03.36.55 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 03.52.41 Quit wehn (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.54.21 # hi all 03.55.04 # any iaudio x5 users here ? 03.57.16 # hacksaw: me 03.59.19 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.59.27 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54986287.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.59.43 # cool, im in the process of taking mine apart, its a x5l 30gb 03.59.51 # cool.. same as mine 03.59.59 # i'm wondering if any more pics of the internals are needed 04.00.13 # well... i'm not a dev 04.00.22 # but i can't imagine any would hurt 04.00.45 # true 04.02.58 # can't wait until they get the power sorted out 04.03.39 # better effeciency ? 04.03.46 # yeah 04.03.57 # its not as efficent as default firmware yet 04.04.48 # do you charge your unit off charger or USB ? 04.04.58 # charger 04.05.37 # i listen to tunes all night.. so i just plug it in next to my bed overnight... and listen to it or my h140 04.06.10 # If anyone has any x5 battery benchmarks available post them. Also need some for x5 (not L). I've yet to do one myself on the 60GB. 04.06.26 # mine is the L 04.06.31 # or i would give you some 04.06.38 # well i'd have to do them first 04.06.46 # I have one that I plotted. Would like to see how much variation exists 04.06.54 Join webguest77 [0] (i=18d956fd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.06.58 Quit midgey34 () 04.07.16 # would be interesting to see 04.07.41 # I can't do an L myself so anything would be helpful. 04.11.46 Nick webguest77 is now known as Jaffo (i=18d956fd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2fb2499439e643a7) 04.18.17 Quit sucka (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.19.04 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 04.24.21 # anyone take their x5 apart ? 04.25.05 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 04.25.31 Quit newbyx86 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.26.21 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 04.28.46 # i didn't touch mine 04.29.29 # i think i'v toasted my charge circuit 04.29.30 # if i do it'll be to add a larger hard drive 04.29.48 # but i doubt i'll do that 04.29.50 # haha yeah 30gb not enough 04.30.10 # well... i've got a 30 and 2 40 gb players... :P 04.30.35 # actually 2 30's if you count my karma.. but the wheel is broken so i don't use it anymore 04.31.38 # i removed the hdd just then....wouldn't be to hard to replace it 04.31.44 Join thePianoMan [0] (n=thePiano@stproxy.latrobe.edu.au) 04.31.50 # cool 04.32.03 # yeah... doubt i will any time soon 04.32.11 # maybe in a year or 2 when things get dirt cheap 04.33.31 # and if i do oggs 110gb should be enough for any trip :) 04.34.16 # 2 batteries last longer than one... too that's what i found out on my vacation this summer 04.35.37 # oggs are the way to go 04.36.06 # yeah... flacs are just too big for a portable 04.36.25 # you don't get the variety 04.36.59 # mpc support was huge for me.. that's why i switched over to rockbox 04.37.10 # great if u want the cd quality 04.37.25 # my collection is about 40% mpc, 40% flac, 20 % other 04.37.43 # flacs get converted to ogg for the player though 04.38.37 # i'm starting to do that to 04.39.11 # its more time consuming.. but i like to have flac in case some other compression comes out that takes the world over :) 04.39.41 # and its not bad if you add an album here and there 04.43.13 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 04.43.41 # its looks like the x5l has two batteries instead of 1 big one 04.46.38 # 2x the normal X5 battery? 04.47.32 Quit Jaffo ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.48.39 # Soap: not exactly different sizes 04.48.56 # The x5 battery is 950mAh and the x5l battery is 2250mAh. Couldn't just be two x5 batteries. 04.51.09 # is the x5 thinner than the x5l ? 04.51.09 Quit Gena_ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.51.22 Join Gena_ [0] (n=Gena@80.178.33.195.adsl.012.net.il) 04.51.23 # i believe it is 04.51.37 # yes except the 60gig with is the same size as the x5l (2-platter drive) 04.51.38 # wouldn't running two batteries take a circuit to keep battery 1 from trying to charge battery 2 (or vise versa)? Even batteries picked for matched discharge cycles at birth tend to drift apart with age. 04.52.18 # youd need a couple diodes at the least 04.54.09 # True, a diode solution would work for the discharge part of the equation, how about for charging two batteries at onece? 04.54.17 # s/onece/once 04.54.54 # reverse the diode circuit 04.56.06 # so the question I'm getting to in a round-about manner is: Is there reason to believe the X5 also has the (simple) circuitry to properly use two battery packs? 04.56.45 # could be but don't know if it actually does myself 04.57.18 Quit funky ("leaving") 04.57.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.58.57 # Soap: that could be possible, because the way it looks the batteries might be in series connecting to the same point on the circuit board 04.59.29 # oh, I didn't expect them to connect like that, hmm. 05.00.28 # im taking photos of this 05.01.36 # if u wanna take a look 05.04.55 # seeing as the battery bench I was given for an x5l ended abruptly at just a hair above 3.3V I doubt there's a diode involved or two batteries in series because they would have to discharge to around half that each and charging wouldn't work very well. 05.05.25 # if it's in series, it would produce double the voltage, i would expect it to be a parallel circuit if it is 2 batteries coupled 05.05.53 # at least, that's my understanding 05.06.03 # of course, i'm an idiot when it comes to hardware :P 05.06.22 Join menosm [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fac6q.dsl.mindspring.com) 05.06.56 # But then the battery bench would end at 3.6V+ even with schottkey diodes which have low forward drop. that drop would also waste a lot of power at such low voltages 05.07.25 # that would, of course, double the amps, which could be regulated with a simple circuit 05.08.07 # aren't batteries multiple cells by definition anyway? 05.08.07 # heh 05.09.26 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 05.09.34 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-131-175.cablep.bezeqint.net) 05.09.35 # ze: not all 05.10.05 Quit locutox () 05.10.17 # i think most (rechargeable) cells that are used in things like MP3 players are 1.2V per cell... so you need 3 cells to make 3.6V 05.10.43 # when it comes to battery theory it amateurs night for me 05.10.44 # the pcf50606 does the regulation. looking at the pcf datasheet it has support for a rechargeable backup battery that can be charged off the main battery 05.11.10 # Nimdae: i said by definition... since battery is short for something like "battery of cells" 05.11.18 Part Paul_the_Nerd 05.11.19 # battery implying multiple, like an array 05.11.40 # thus "battery" is a misnomer for anything thats a single cell 05.11.52 # anybody in here use mac? 05.11.54 # but thats beside the point 05.12.04 # well, battery also refers to the act of beating someone 05.12.09 # heh 05.12.11 # ze: nice going on the semantics. makes me jealous. usually my department :) 05.12.17 # BHSPitLappy, yes, but not with my MP3 player 05.12.22 # jhMikeS: :p 05.13.13 # thePianoMan, but are you on OSX? 05.13.15 # Nimdae: and that comment appeals to my macabre sense of humor :) 05.13.20 # actually, doesn't battery, as in assault, imply a series of assaults? :p 05.13.32 # BHSPitLappy, yep... 10.4.8 i think 05.13.56 # in any case, if it can charge a secondary battery from the primary, it sounds like something like a passive ups 05.14.01 # I've never heard of anyone charged with cell...no pun 05.14.08 # lol 05.14.09 Part hcs 05.14.10 # haha 05.14.31 # a combination of two or more cells electrically connected to work together to produce electric energy. 05.14.59 # the act of beating or battering. 05.15.16 # it seems we are each right in our definitions ;) 05.15.17 # "to beat with successive blows" 05.15.21 # batter 05.15.21 # heh 05.15.58 # thePianoMan, pm 05.16.10 # a park at the S end of Manhattan, in New York City. 05.16.17 # :P 05.16.31 # mmmmmm...batter....goes well with successive blows 05.16.36 # my point was just that since a battery's just multiple cells (in series generally afaik) anyway, it doesn't seem so strange to have 2 batteries in series 05.16.42 # jhMikeS: hah :p 05.16.52 # so long as the voltage works out right one way or another 05.17.13 # putting together batteries/cells in series increases the voltage by the number in each cell 05.17.22 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-171.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.17.24 # right 05.17.24 # so if you put 3 1.2v cells together, you get 3.6v 05.17.41 # i think thats kindof the point to batteries vs single cells anyway 05.17.46 # afaik 05.17.53 # if you want to add multiple batteries to a device to power it in a manner of extending power on time, you wouldn't want to do this 05.18.11 # also, the sensitive electronics may not be able to handle it 05.18.16 # well, you'd be more inclined to avoid it if you can 05.18.20 # probably 05.18.27 # adding 2 3.6v batteries in series would result in 7.2v of power 05.18.50 # however, if you connect them in parallel, you maintain an average voltage between the batteries 05.18.50 # so are they 3.6v? 05.19.02 # in the x5l 05.19.09 # i dunno 05.19.15 # i'm just using numbers that were mentioned :P 05.19.22 # could it be possible that they somehow got pairs of 1.8v's? 05.19.46 # as non-standard as that apparently would be... 05.19.46 # heh 05.19.49 # i would imagine if one device has one battery, and another has two, then they would be connected in parallel 05.20.40 # Nimdae: yeah, but then you get all those charging/discharging issues that were brought up 05.20.46 # heh 05.23.08 # i wouldn't imagine a charge/discharge issue would occur 05.23.30 # the flow of electricity should affect one or the other pack 05.23.52 # if anything, you would just need a more powerful charger to get decent charge times 05.23.59 # ok 05.24.07 # *shouldn't 05.24.19 # hmm 05.24.28 # ok 05.24.50 # well thats beyond my knowledge 05.25.04 # my sad knowledge of electricity tends to be concerned more with AC 05.25.21 # the charger puts out 5v 2A 05.25.24 # which is effectively something else entirely 05.25.27 # i read up about this stuff a while back trying to understand a device i had that took 4 AA batteries, but not all entirely in a series 05.25.36 # heh 05.26.05 # it was 2 pair of AAs in series, then those arrays in parallel 05.26.13 # ah 05.26.17 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 05.26.25 # so while it was 4 AA batteries, it was only 3v 05.26.26 # so it wanted 3v but longer life 05.26.34 # 3v but higher amperage 05.26.38 # oh 05.26.39 # or that 05.26.40 # :p 05.26.57 # i guess the higher amperage is easier to regulate than the higher voltage 05.27.16 # hmm 05.27.38 # i dunno how to lower voltage in DC 05.27.59 # but i guess resisters raise it while lowering amps, right? 05.28.19 # resistors resist, they don't raise anything 05.28.37 # doesn't voltage go up with resistance? 05.28.50 # not that i know of, but that kinda goes beyond my knowledge 05.28.55 # i could be wrong 05.29.11 # so i guess lets stop talking about things beyond our knowledge :p 05.29.52 # as far as i know, the only way to change voltage is through transformers, voltage regulators, or splitting/merging circuits 05.30.08 # ok so whats a 'voltage regulator'? 05.30.27 # i think it's a fancy transistor 05.30.27 # heh 05.30.35 # oh 05.30.38 # i honestly don't know 05.30.41 # just PWM? 05.30.48 # ze: if resistance goes up current goes down 05.31.13 # current would be amperage, right? 05.31.32 # i haven't had to remember this since high school :S 05.31.34 # heh 05.32.02 # yes 05.32.14 # that's what i figured 05.32.19 # haha i know what u mean 05.33.01 # this all started because i'm trying to make a charging circuit for the car 05.33.11 # heh 05.33.25 # hacksaw: but so the voltage doesn't change when that happens? 05.33.39 # it shouldn't 05.33.44 # maybe thats a mistaken impression i got from the volts+amps/watts conversion equations 05.33.44 # as far as i know, heh 05.33.47 # heh 05.34.17 # well ohms law E=I x R 05.34.33 # so thats assuming the voltage is the same 05.34.35 # P = EI, P = I^2 x R 05.34.39 # i want to take my broken fm transmitter and attach an audio cable to it to connect to my car stereo's line in 05.35.06 # if it's broken why? what'll it do? 05.35.17 # it still charges 05.35.21 # it just doesn't transmit anymore 05.35.34 # thats my goal as well to use line out straight into the amp 05.36.00 # since the audio circuit is easily accessible in the transmitter package, i figured i could attach a line out cable to it 05.36.18 # I'd look for switchmode regulators that can take an external power MOSFET or some such 05.37.08 # * Nimdae stares blankly at jhMikeS 05.37.17 # could get free samples from Maxim from their website 05.37.21 # switchmode regulation is the same as pulse width modulation, right? 05.37.22 # heh 05.37.35 # or National Semiconductor. 05.37.49 # ze: There's PWM and PFM. Some chips have both 05.37.57 # whats the F 05.38.03 # frequency 05.38.07 # switch mode reg is based on PWM i think 05.38.07 # ah 05.38.11 # i got a pop, see u later 05.38.21 # pop out, oh bi 05.38.27 # bi 05.38.33 Part hacksaw ("Ex-Chat") 05.38.49 # heh 05.39.08 # i've got an op-amp and an lm78 (iirc) from national that i still haven't done anything with :p 05.39.12 # so some use pulse frequency modulation, PWM or both 05.39.13 # i wanna take one of the many slots in my car and turn it into an ipod dock 05.39.40 # jhMikeS: that kind of regulation feels so dirty and kludgey to me 05.39.41 # heh 05.39.45 # 5v ready made switcher chips are easy to get 05.40.19 # i wonder if i could turn the tape deck into an ipod slot 05.40.20 # how does throwing too much voltage for a short time equate to being less voltage? 05.40.21 # ze: quite common really 05.40.23 # * Nimdae contemplates 05.40.27 # i mean they say it "averages" but how does it really? 05.40.28 # heh 05.41.01 # It's filtered by a low pass circuit, ie. a capacitor 05.41.05 # be kinda interesting to be able to just slide the ipod into a slot and go 05.41.13 # ah 05.42.00 # actually, i kinda thought about taking an old ipod, taking it out of the enclosure, and embedding it into my dash 05.42.04 # heh 05.42.23 # heh 05.42.42 # or better yet, in my stearing wheel 05.42.50 # i guess there's car stereos that have the dock connector on them and act like a remote to control the ipod through the stereo's own interface 05.42.59 # have a rockboxed stearing wheel 05.43.07 # so you can just stick the ipod out of the way somewhere and not screw with it while its plugged in 05.43.25 # yeah, but unfortunately rockbox doesn't support the apple accessory protocol yet 05.43.35 # heh 05.43.49 # found that out the hard way, heh 05.43.54 # hehe 05.44.07 # i was all "wtf, my remote doesn't work, stupid thing is broken" 05.44.08 # heh.. i just went ghetto and got a deck with aux in... and use a car carger 05.44.30 # yeah, i'm gonna end up going that route 05.44.37 # i dunno anything about the ones that feature it either 05.44.47 # i just wanna hack my old fm transmitter so i have just one cable 05.44.54 # out of the whole wall full of car stereos at best buy there were all of 2 or 3 with ipod connectors 05.45.00 # they could be junk anyway for all i know 05.45.09 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 05.45.20 # Nimdae: how would that be 1 cable if you add another cable to it? 05.45.34 # i would be essentially splicing them together 05.45.44 # splicing them? 05.45.45 # so one cable going into the ipod 05.46.02 # where's the power cable plug in at? 05.46.03 # yeah, the audio cable would be connected to the audio connections on the fm transmitter rather than to the ipod itself 05.46.14 # the fm transmitter is the power cable 05.46.25 # heh 05.46.34 # yeah but it plugs into something other than the ipod, right? to actually draw power from... 05.46.42 # yeah 05.46.43 # like the "cigarette lighter" 05.46.46 # cig lighter 05.46.47 # yeah 05.47.17 # i could probably even rig that up to be more hidden too :P 05.47.18 # pretty soon they'll just start calling them power sockets 05.47.20 # but why bother 05.47.22 # only thing i don't like with the cig lighter charger is that there is noise when i use it in conjunction with the aux in 05.47.32 # and then some power sockets'll come with a cigarette lighter accessory 05.47.32 # :p 05.47.37 # since i have 2 players.. i charge one and use the other on aux in 05.47.45 # pita.. but it works 05.47.53 # ze: actually, my car didn't come with the actually lighter part 05.47.58 # goffa: weird 05.48.02 # Nimdae: yeah, i'm not surprised 05.48.03 # heh 05.48.04 # i don't smoke, so no ashtrays or lighter 05.48.47 # its that way on my x5 and my h140 05.49.14 # goffa: i didn't think DC systems had issues like that 05.49.29 # like AC stuff gets ground loops and that sorta junk 05.49.34 # probably just shitty adapters 05.49.36 # i dunno 05.49.38 # or noise in the power and stuff 05.49.43 # i'd say shitty adapters 05.50.04 # i had 2 of cowon's and they both do it 05.50.05 # could also be bad shielding on the radio 05.50.08 # cig lighter chargers are often switchmode. could be a bad frequency for the app. 05.50.11 # well i guess if its got a voltage regulator without good shielding 05.50.17 # or yeah bad frequency 05.50.56 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 05.51.00 # dimmers are notorious for causing noise with computer audio recording 05.51.11 # i always wondered why until i found out that dimmers are usually switchmode 05.51.18 # dimmers as in light dimmers? 05.51.23 # jhMikeS: yeah 05.52.05 # they chop the sinewave off till the voltage gets high enough then conduct the rest of the ac cycle 05.52.23 # heh 05.53.05 Quit uski ("Leaving") 05.54.12 Join pagefault [0] (n=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 05.57.07 # thePianoMan, thanks for the font, I managed to convert it just fine. 05.59.06 # heh... cars are lined up down my block... didn't know what was going on 05.59.15 # guess there's a strip show next door 05.59.28 # bachelor party! :P 05.59.39 Quit menosm ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 05.59.52 # well i live next to a bowling alley/restaraunt/bar 06.00.06 # but normally things are pretty slow even on friday nights 06.02.39 # heh 06.02.50 # what are you doing sitting here then? 06.03.40 # good question 06.09.09 Quit bawb2 ("seacrest out!") 06.13.43 # jhMikeS, We're out of ointment! 06.13.57 # * BHSPitLappy hopes jhMikeS gets the reference 06.14.05 # (otherwise, it would be awkward.) 06.14.24 # i think its awkward anyway 06.14.25 # * jhMikeS has an eyebrow raised 06.14.26 # :p 06.14.32 Join scottder_ [0] (n=sdexter@ip70-188-142-96.ri.ri.cox.net) 06.14.32 Quit scottder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.14.39 # www.xkcd.com 06.15.34 # haha 06.16.28 # he he he 06.17.08 # * goffa decided to save money/not get all revved up with nowhere to go 06.17.50 # :P 06.17.59 # :) 06.18.28 # haha 06.18.38 # "if you die in canada, you die in _real life_!" 06.18.41 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 06.19.10 Quit BlackHoleOfCode (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.19.34 Join BlackHoleOfCode [0] (n=BlackHol@69-172-138-70.atlsfl.adelphia.net) 06.19.53 # its sad that this is true http://www.xkcd.com/c181.html 06.20.01 # damn web-net 06.20.14 # ze: are they sure? is living in Canada really living? (to all Canuks: joking) 06.20.16 # heh 06.20.23 # heh 06.20.50 # yeah... we really had to beef up the border here in the past couple of years 06.21.13 # this is the blagoblag 06.21.13 # we were worried about the mass immigration :P 06.21.18 # * goffa lives in montana 06.21.26 Quit pagefault ("Leaving") 06.21.58 # intertube... hadn't heard that until Sen stevens decided to enlighten us about the workings of it 06.22.01 # they just want to keep us trapped here and let the mexicans in 06.22.04 Join pagefault [0] (n=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 06.22.30 # it is kind of funny reading the reports.. you'd be amazed at how many mexicans they deport up here 06.23.36 # didn't know they deported many at all atm or does Canada deport them to the US? :P 06.23.46 # ha ha ha 06.23.49 # maybe that's it 06.24.31 # amazing how easy it is to get into canada... i actually like it that way 06.25.11 # coming back is harder ... although i'm on a first name basis with most of them at the port i go through 06.25.37 # same thing for going to the carribean now...will need a passport to get back in 2007 06.25.53 # usually have to answer more computer questions than .. the typical "got any booze, drugs, ammo, or anything else that's fun?" 06.26.20 # yeah.. that passport thing is bullshit... they need to repeal that 06.26.25 # computer questions? 06.26.39 # yeah.. i'm a computer tech.. and we aren't very populated 06.26.55 # are you carrying any encryption algorithms? 06.26.56 # so.. they ask me about their machines 06.27.24 # like i can't print .. i'm loaded with spyware .. etc 06.27.28 # the border guards do? that's funny 06.27.38 # yeah 06.27.50 # usually after the stuff they are required to ask 06.28.06 # while they are running your I.D. 06.28.08 # if you let me deliver these drugs I'll help you ;) 06.28.16 # ha ha ha 06.28.30 # i know them well.. but you never want to joke at the border 06.28.58 # unless you want a white glove up your ass or your car taken apart 06.29.14 # one of my friend's mother was a border guard 06.29.21 # a friend of mine went up one time .. was being a wise-ass 06.29.26 # hahaha, someone attacked one of our servers with a smurf attack 06.29.36 # wow.. nostalgia 06.29.41 # no kidding 06.29.57 # hope you aren't running windows 95 for a server.. lol 06.29.58 # some script kiddie is like "ooo, what is this? must be new, lets try it out!" 06.30.12 # land them back 06.30.17 # or better yet.. panther 06.30.19 # he he he 06.30.23 # i think about 70% of the servers here are unix 06.30.39 # damn, got red gotta fix that 06.33.12 # i bet if i put snort on my server here with default filters, i'd still find winnuke being detected 06.33.18 Join WalterEgo [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 06.33.27 # probably 06.38.52 # jhMikeS: damn you for artifically inflating my score. 06.39.14 # hehe...gonna fix it now 06.39.28 # :) 06.39.33 Join Nimdae_ [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 06.40.59 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.43.01 # cvs up is slow while a build is in progress 06.43.25 # There's one thing I don't really understand about coding C for rockbox.. Does rockbox use a very small subset of c (that's what I currently believe) or rather it overloads a few important functions and the rest of the regular functions are accessible..? Say, are time() and strftime() useable or do I need to dig in the source for an equivalent (or confirmation that it doesn't exist)...? 06.43.41 # I'm asking just so I know what kind of learning experience I'm getting into.. :p 06.43.47 # WalterEgo: rockbox is in C. 06.43.51 # WalterEgo: it does _not_ have a full stdlib 06.43.56 # which is what many people consider to be 'C' 06.44.18 # ahhh... Like unknowledgeable me did, up to a moment ago.. 06.44.22 # it does not use many of the libraries often associated with C though, right? 06.44.26 # ;) 06.45.43 # okay, so fulltext searches into the source will be my new hobby.. That and browsing my french-english dict. so I know what words to actually search for. 06.45.58 # Thanks, at least I have a better idea of the direction I'm going :) 06.45.59 # C itself doesn't _do_ much, the stdlib provided by glibc does all kinds of stuff, and the subset of those things that glibc does that are practical / useful / have been needed in rockbox are implemented in rockbox as well. 06.47.02 # WalterEgo: better than a full text search would be to use ctags or an IDE that will simply tell you what functions are available and what parameters they take based on the source, without you having to manually search each time. 06.48.58 # Makes sense. 06.50.36 # I guess best IDE I'll find in a full debian or whatever install rather than some cygwin or such...? Installation seems easier for cygwin or vmware (there are plenty of tutorials on the wiki) than on linux though.. 06.51.04 # WalterEgo: do you already run linux somewhere? 06.51.07 # ..but once that is done, I guess it would make for a more comfortable dev. environment.. 06.51.30 # I already did.. But for php/web dev, not real programming. 06.51.42 # Lost my install when my hd crashed.. 06.51.55 # Miss it ever since but been a bit lazy :p 06.52.22 # *nod* you can actually use a windows IDE to develop code that you will compile from vmware or cygwin, not sure exactly how to set it up though, because I've not used windows in many a moon. 06.52.46 # (nor an IDE) 06.53.22 # lol... I see. I guess when you get comfortable with the code, anything even vi could be adequate... well, maybe NOT vi. :p 06.53.47 Quit elljay ("leaving") 06.53.51 # "even vi"? 06.53.54 # you are truly a newb :) 06.54.08 # a really nice opensource c/c++ editor is code::blocks 06.54.09 # I am, true.. 06.54.09 # I do all of my coding, both professional and hobby in vim. 06.54.23 # I've tested a lot of different editors 06.54.27 # and it's really excellent 06.54.39 # thegeek: does it support ctags or another quick navigation type feature? 06.54.44 # lots of good features without all the bloat of the giants(visual studio) 06.54.56 # not sure 06.55.08 # never really had use for anything like that 06.55.25 # thegeek: sure you have, you just haven't noticed that you were missing it ;) 06.55.26 # I only work on my own code so I tend to know it pretty well;P 06.55.29 # ahh 06.55.30 # hmmm...build is taking it's sweet time to start again 06.55.30 # nvm 06.55.30 # hehe 06.55.31 # :) 06.55.33 # ;) 06.55.52 # cool, I'll have a look at that. As long as I get syntax coloring and some (can't remember the word.. alignement with tabs) anyway, I'm comfortable. Well I was for coding simple php.. 06.55.53 # jhMikeS: hopefully it'll catch my warning fixes in the same build then 06.56.03 # I do need some sort of IDE so search through functions though, that's true. 06.56.28 # WalterEgo: vim with ctags provides that, but the learning curve is probably too high _just yet_ ;) 06.56.46 # heh... I'll put it on the back burner. :) 06.57.10 # another C IDE that I have used in the past in linux is anjuta -- seemed pretty decent, but a bit unpolished, but it did have coloring, code completion and all of the necessary features. 06.57.21 # And I'll try the K-something-or-something-else IDE that comes with Knoppix while waiting for science to infuse myself.. :p 06.57.42 # it's talking a really looooooong time ... longest I've seen so far 06.57.52 # jhMikeS: wonder if it's 'stuck' 06.57.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.59.06 # don't know but it took it's sweet time once yesterday too. is it about daily build time? 07.00.06 # On a VERY different matter... What kind of information could end user like meself provide to the nice chaps trying to optimize the iriver H10? Are battery bench any usefull for anything else than calibrating the charge indicator? 07.00.33 # generally not 07.01.03 # WalterEgo: for now, I think patience is in order until dan_a gets the cop running properly on the PP chips. 07.01.18 # (or anyone else) 07.01.34 # * goffa hands the cop a donut.. that should do it 07.01.44 # * goffa couldn't resist 07.01.54 # looks stuck indeed 07.01.57 # true enough, that would certainly ease up certain operations. 07.02.37 # z. 07.02.55 # Are the daily builds compiled from some cron tabbed cgi on the web server? 07.03.27 # I guess so, none would be crazy enough to compile and upload each and every day.. Silly question, sry. 07.07.16 # Okay, thanks... 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12.48.07 # one that runs Rockbox! ;-) 12.48.11 # yep 12.48.14 # of course 12.48.28 # I like my h120 12.48.44 # can't get that one here 12.48.48 # it had a...leather case already 12.48.52 # yep 12.48.52 # i think 12.48.57 # it's out of production iirc 12.49.04 # try H10 12.49.06 # I like iRIver 12.49.08 # i've looked at the e10 12.49.14 # someone else might tell you Apple rocks 12.49.18 # I mean 12.49.19 # nice, but only has 6 GB 12.49.23 Join drippydonut [0] (i=drippydo@ACCA4EDB.ipt.aol.com) 12.49.24 # it's personal preference 12.49.49 # ipods are nice in one way 12.49.54 # rockbox doesn't run on the e10 12.50.01 # will it ever? 12.50.11 # perhaps, but don't count on it 12.50.16 # hmm 12.50.19 # You might be interested in an Iaudio X5 12.50.25 # then i've looked at the x5 12.50.27 # yeah 12.50.43 # but it has the headphone thingy on the side 12.51.01 # Well 12.51.08 # that could be annoying with a jack/minijack adaptor 12.51.13 # One thing I would reconsider is the amount of HD-space 12.51.19 # I rarely need the 20GB 12.51.38 # 6 GB is too little imo 12.51.43 # hmm 12.51.44 # yeah 12.51.48 # The nice thing is 12.51.52 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 12.51.56 # YOu can put data on a 20gb 12.52.00 # like movies and stuff 12.52.15 # But I already have a 500gig external HD ;) 12.52.16 # sure 12.52.23 # so I don't need that :) 12.52.28 # me neither 12.52.38 # And for music I don't need 20gig 12.52.50 # I don't need whole discographies 12.52.57 # my music collection on my computer is 19 gigs now 12.53.00 # oh 12.53.05 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3027.gwdg.de) 12.53.06 # k :) 12.53.09 # i want discographies 12.53.13 # a lot of flac 12.53.22 # I don't need discographies on my portable 12.53.48 # I myself have lots of discopgraphies compressed losslessly on the external drive 12.53.51 # i don't think i _need_ them either, but it'd be nice 12.53.53 # but not on the H120 12.53.58 # I use vorbis on that 12.54.12 # what bitrate? 12.54.36 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-131-175.cablep.bezeqint.net) 12.54.46 # hmm 12.54.48 # q7 12.54.54 # But I consider going for q4-5 12.55.01 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 12.55.02 # q? 12.55.06 # ah 12.55.10 # vorbis isnt about bitrae 12.55.12 # err 12.55.13 # though you meant a player 12.55.48 # I used q7 on my PC before I had enough space to store lossless audio 12.55.56 # So I still use the q7 oggs 12.56.03 # But it's overkill for portable 12.56.18 # oh? 12.56.39 # well 12.56.48 # q7 is transparent on my home audio system 12.56.53 # which isnt top class 12.57.01 # but still better than the portable 12.57.11 # so q4-5 should be transparent on the H120 12.57.40 # hmm 12.57.58 # errr 12.58.00 # well 12.58.02 # not transparent 12.58.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.58.07 # but enough :) 12.58.24 # what about the x5? 12.58.28 # dunno 12.58.36 # better sound wuality you think? 12.58.38 # quality 12.58.39 # I think q4-5 is enough for any portable 12.59.14 # though, you still can use wavpack/flac on your rockbox-portable :) 12.59.18 # can rockbox play modules? 12.59.22 # .mod? 12.59.29 # hmm, I don't think so 12.59.33 # damn 12.59.34 # check the website though 12.59.48 # my pda can :) 12.59.52 # nice 12.59.53 # :) 12.59.59 # but tha battery doesn't last very long 13.00.09 # There's a patch 13.00.52 # bluet: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241 13.02.16 # cool 13.02.49 # Kohlrabi: what headohones do you have? 13.03.52 # panasonic 13.03.58 # dont know the number 13.04.08 # are they good? 13.04.14 # small enough to stuff in the pocket 13.04.20 # ah 13.04.34 # foldable then? 13.04.36 # but not these stick-in-the-ear-things 13.05.05 # i've got koss the plug 13.05.09 # they suck 13.06.00 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 13.07.19 # http://shop.panasonic.co.uk/invt/rphs9e 13.07.25 # same kind of headphones 13.07.32 # but different design 13.08.45 # small, but still cover the ear, though not fully 13.09.04 # I find the stick-in-ear kind more tiresome 13.10.27 # they're not very comfortable 13.10.37 # page not found 13.11.00 # hmm 13.11.01 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-117-250.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.11.06 # true 13.11.07 # strange 13.11.11 # hey bluey- 13.11.16 # cool nick 13.11.26 # 141666;_ylt=AkjmuyAuDWIAra0vR_bFW01hMI8C;_ylu=X3oDMTBuMjhlNG1sBF9zAzU3NjkwMzU3BGx0AzQEc2VjA3Ny?clink=dmss//ctx=sc:cheadphone,c:cheadphone,mid:59,pid:1994141666,pdid:59,pos:13 13.11.29 # argh 13.11.37 Quit hacksaw ("Ex-Chat") 13.11.41 # sorry 13.11.49 # =) 13.12.26 # ah 13.12.40 # i've seen thode i think 13.12.43 # those 13.13.26 # are they heavy? 13.14.24 Quit nGs|GreySleeps (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.15.46 # hmm 13.15.51 # no 13.15.55 # first strange on the ear 13.16.00 # but I like the sound 13.16.49 # hmm 13.17.08 # how are they compared to sennheiser hd595? 13.17.12 # I have Sennheiser for home stereo 13.17.31 # well 13.17.38 # what model? 13.17.44 # hd595 look like full-fledged headphones 13.17.51 # a cheap one 13.18.01 # 497 13.18.09 # ah 13.18.15 # I mainly use it to pracice bass in late hours ;) 13.18.22 # the silvery grey ones with mostly plastic? 13.18.25 # yep 13.18.31 # got them for like 15 bucks 13.18.33 # at a sale 13.18.35 # a friend of mine has them 13.18.53 # not bad at all 13.19.26 # no 13.19.29 # true 13.20.43 # a lot of bass 13.21.29 # more than my 595s 13.21.58 # i think 13.22.39 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 13.23.16 # * drippydonut takes the opposite approach and likes IEMs 13.23.25 # but I haven't been listening to much music at the moment 13.23.38 # cos I got an ear infection and screwed up my right eardrum :( 13.23.53 # ugh :( 13.24.04 # nice details :D 13.24.17 # iems? 13.24.25 # in eam monitors 13.24.32 # shure e4s all the way for me 13.24.37 # hmm 13.24.49 # how's the comfort? 13.25.01 # very good actually 13.25.30 # especially with the foamies or triple-flange sleeves 13.25.48 # the foam ones are a bit like foam earplugs 13.26.00 # cool 13.26.02 # they squidge down and then expand 13.26.32 # http://www.prisguide.no/product.php?productId=17682 like this? 13.27.07 # sorta 13.27.12 # they're the etymotics 13.27.18 # mine are these... 13.27.18 # http://www.generationmp3.com/bigfiles/Wildsurfer/Shure%20e4c/Shure%20e4c%2002.jpg 13.27.19 # i know 13.27.34 # ah, e4C 13.27.37 # not s 13.27.55 # yea 13.28.01 # "s" for plural 13.28.14 # ah 13.28.16 # its really difficlut pluralising product names and acronyms 13.28.22 # *difficult 13.28.25 # yeah 13.28.32 # hyphens can work 13.28.58 # I would like to get a pair of etymotics too, but being a skint teenager the e4-s where all I could afford 13.29.05 # oh well, I'm really happy with them 13.29.15 # apart from its a fiddle putting them away in the case :D 13.29.23 # : 13.29.25 # :) 13.29.31 # tried portapro? 13.29.40 # nope 13.29.47 # i did once 13.30.03 # I'll probably look to get some more in around july next year 13.30.06 # they're very popular around here 13.30.12 # before I go off on my few weeks of travels 13.30.40 # yey :D! 13.30.59 # anyway, I really need to finish this damn essay :( 13.31.11 Nick drippydonut is now known as DD_lurking (i=drippydo@ACCA4EDB.ipt.aol.com) 13.31.31 # :/ 13.31.36 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 13.31.47 Nick DD_lurking is now known as drippydonut (i=drippydo@ACCA4EDB.ipt.aol.com) 13.31.50 # hi!!! 13.31.55 Nick drippydonut is now known as DD_lurking (i=drippydo@ACCA4EDB.ipt.aol.com) 13.32.03 # sorry, just had to register that nick :D 13.32.11 # good luck, matt 13.32.18 # with the essay 13.37.00 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966E36.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.38.06 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@p54B175D3.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.44.37 Quit bluet (Remote closed the connection) 13.45.40 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 13.47.31 # http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html 13.47.49 # for those that think "since 2.5" is a bit too much 13.48.03 # yeah that took a while to load :-) 13.48.59 # Bagder: could there perhaps be a link next to the "since 2.5" on the frontpage? 13.49.08 # coming right up 13.49.13 # nice 13.49.27 # there 13.50.09 # the title on the page is wrong, but it'll get fixed at next update 13.52.56 # quite a bit of activity lately 13.53.09 # indeed 13.53.11 # including some major changes 13.54.08 # I tried to update MajorChanges yesterday, but may have missed some 13.55.26 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.55.44 # the question is, do we only mention major changes the user can see, or also internal changes that go unnoticed (except when they contained bugs ;) ) 13.55.58 # the oct 25 X5 change is missing 13.56.13 # petur: My vote is for the former 13.56.14 # I'll add 13.56.41 # rasher: me too, as the internals are known to most devs 13.58.05 # Bagder, how about some "changes in the last 4 weeks" or similar? 13.58.32 # you mean instead, or in addition to this? 13.58.56 # it is dead simple to do 13.59.06 # not sure ... one idea would be to have "changes since 1st " and crosslink them 13.59.28 # or additionally to have a like 4 weeks windows with all changes made in that time. 13.59.34 # ok, I'll make a third page and then we can see how they "feel" 13.59.51 # or, perhaps, have a "window" page, a monthly page and a "all" page ;-) 14.00.38 # great. since25 got quite long (and long to load too) 14.03.42 # on the MajorChanges topic: how about using icons to identify (a) new features, (b) internal fixes, (c) internal changes? 14.04.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html 14.04.32 # something like this changelog page: http://home.gna.org/kvpnc/en/changelog.html 14.05.41 Nick DD_lurking is now known as DD_away (i=drippydo@ACCA4EDB.ipt.aol.com) 14.05.53 # Bagder, I like it. 14.06.10 # and now also as a link from the front page 14.06.25 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 14.07.23 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p549337CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.08.29 # * n1s thinks "Feature Requests" in the tracker should have been named "Brainstorm"... 14.09.50 # I'm still in favour of some tracker type for patches that won't go into Rockbox ... like "code snippets" 14.10.05 # yeah 14.10.11 # makes sense 14.10.25 # so they don't get lost and it gets clear they won't get included. 14.12.06 # * bluebrother remembers that discussion of one patch that wasn't intended to get included and thus caused some confusion 14.13.25 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim_pick@82-69-41-162.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 14.13.37 Join webguest50 [0] (i=8f361e07@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.14.02 Quit webguest50 (Client Quit) 14.15.19 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 14.21.45 # is there a way I can see what shorthands are defined for twiki icons? 14.22.17 # There's a page.. 14.22.17 # somewhere 14.22.29 # Where they are defined 14.23.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiVariables 14.23.17 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiVariables#Frequently_Used_Preferences_Vari 14.23.48 # nice, thanks. 14.24.03 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiPreferences#Rendering_Shortcuts_Settings in fact is where they are defined 14.24.15 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.25.04 Part pixelma 14.25.26 # In fact, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocGraphics 14.30.21 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.30.59 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 14.31.33 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 14.35.47 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-165-106.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 14.36.18 Part MadDog011 14.37.28 Part Paul_the_Nerd 14.45.09 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-117-250.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.48.47 # ok, added some icons to MajorChanges. I hope everyone likes it ... ;-) 14.52.31 # looks good 14.53.04 # I'd put the description as a list 14.58.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.01.30 Join midkay__ [0] (n=midkay@c-67-160-70-46.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 15.01.47 Quit XavierGr () 15.01.51 Quit bluey- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.02.02 # n1s: putting FS#xxx (rather than the full url) in your comment is enough 15.03.14 # FS crosslinks FS#xxx in comments automatically. Would be nice if this was working for wiki names too. 15.03.31 # or on the cvs changes page. 15.03.41 # 'deed 15.15.01 # rasher, ok 15.16.02 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 15.19.22 Quit Mmmm () 15.20.05 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.21.09 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 15.21.20 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.21.40 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 15.22.13 Join Kitt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.94.180.254.cable.012.net.il) 15.24.25 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 15.27.09 Quit DD_away ("( drippydonut :: www.drippydonut.com )") 15.30.32 Join Kingstone [0] (n=g@yam.netvision.net.il) 15.30.51 # hello, anyone here knows about iTunesDB? 15.32.32 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-117-250.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.36.58 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 15.37.21 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 15.37.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache 15.37.33 # ? 15.37.49 # Kingstone: Ask your question, and you'll find out... 15.37.59 Quit bluey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.41.52 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 15.41.57 Quit daurn|laptop (Excess Flood) 15.42.36 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 15.46.57 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@adsl-75-46-3-23.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 15.48.28 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-131-175.cablep.bezeqint.net) 15.52.25 # i've seen in the iPL wiki about iTunesDB that there is a value in a song record (mhit) that states visibility of a song 15.52.35 # is this one known for a fact? 15.52.47 # also, does it work for all versions of iTunes? 15.53.35 # and another question, how do you add a playlist to iTunesDB? cause if i just add an mhyp to the playlists mhsd, it doesn't work 15.53.49 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 15.53.58 # it looks like there is something with the podcasts mhsd that involves here 15.58.05 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-131-175.cablep.bezeqint.net) 15.59.05 # I don't think anyone here will know the itunesdb in that detail - Rockbox deliberately ignores it. 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I'm curious :) 16.03.53 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-42-178.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.05.55 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-36-66.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.08.25 Join Seedy [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-131-175.cablep.bezeqint.net) 16.08.34 Quit obo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.11.01 # kerb: What are you using to share with? 16.12.00 # rhythmbox :) 16.12.28 # lol 16.12.34 # I suggest asking them instead, then 16.12.34 # mindslip :P 16.12.46 # I use rockbox on my ipod and I joined the wrong channel :D 16.13.31 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.14.51 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 16.16.44 Nick jborn_ is now known as JoeyBorn (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-11-119.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 16.17.10 Join drizztbsd [0] (n=drizzt@gentoo/developer/drizzt) 16.22.57 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.34.48 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.homelinux.net") 16.37.45 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.38.14 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/ is now less likely to kill your computer. But also less interactive (the google maps interface is still available though) 16.38.21 Quit Gnelik ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.38.21 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Clean@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 16.39.08 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 16.39.18 # what is the state about ipod nano 2g? 16.39.39 # drizztbsd: I don't believe anyone is working on it with Rockbox in mind 16.39.48 # drizztbsd: - the Nano 2G is a long way from rockbox support. 16.39.54 # We're mostly hoping ipodlinux will drop something in our laps 16.40.24 # uhm sigh :( 16.40.28 # The Nano 2G has next to nothing in common with the other ipods, it mght as well be the Zune, heck - more is known about the Zune than the 2G. 16.41.00 # perfect :/ 16.41.21 # what is the maximum capacity of 1g? 16.41.25 # 2g? 4g? 16.41.31 # giga* 16.41.44 # 4gb 16.41.57 # k thx 16.42.04 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection) 16.43.05 Part kerb 16.43.30 # rasher: The map now is based on GRASS? 16.43.44 Quit Soap ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 16.44.11 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.44.23 # Genre9mp3: Based on whatnow? 16.44.34 Join Soap [0] (n=Clean@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 16.45.22 # rasher: The map reminded me this 16.45.37 Join Kitt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.94.189.229.cable.012.net.il) 16.46.44 # It's simply using xplanet images that I create 16.47.54 # The images are by James Hastings-Trew. I should probably write that somewhere 16.48.02 # ah ok.. 16.48.20 # For one minute I thought it was something like this: http://mapserver.gdf-hannover.de/grassusers/map.phtml?winwidth=890&winheight=630&language=1&mapwidth=600&mapheight=400 16.48.35 Join WalterEgo [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 16.48.45 Nick WalterEgo is now known as PaulPosition (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 16.49.34 Join Skydemon [0] (n=udo@xdsl-87-78-145-125.netcologne.de) 16.50.24 # oh christ, now I messed it up 16.52.44 Quit JoeyBorn (Remote closed the connection) 16.53.07 # Where can I find Rockbox Coding guidelines (best practice..)? Right now I'm just toying around and learning some (acutally, lots) stuff, but if I sometime get serious about it I'll need some guides.. For example, should a plugin be built only with calls to the plugin api? If I needed to read time, should I just include the files I need or (that'd be stupid I think) hard copy them into my code? 16.53.41 # (note, last question is just example, don't go explaining it all..) 16.54.28 # There is a guidelines page in the wiki I believe, a search should find it 16.54.44 # But it says nothing about stuff like that 16.54.54 # rasher - oops. :p 16.55.09 # Plugins only have what the plugin api (and plugin lib) gives them, basically 16.57.20 # Maybe I'm stupid (well, yes I am).. I don't know much about C yet.. Are files included in, say ABC.h de facto included in XYZ.h if the latter includes ABC ? 16.57.23 # linuxstb, do you know any irc channel for gtkpod? 16.58.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.00.04 # Kingstone: No, sorry. 17.01.37 # Their mailing lists seem active though. 17.01.42 # Kingstone - There's a #gtkpod channel on quakenet but there's only ony person or bot sitting in it, so it's no use for you. 17.08.06 Join Hunnybunny [0] (n=HaraKiri@fichtel.rz.hu-berlin.de) 17.08.40 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A458AA.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.10.22 Quit Gena_ (Remote closed the connection) 17.14.33 # ok thanks 17.14.47 # is rockbox on GPL license? 17.14.50 Quit Skydemon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.14.54 # yes it is 17.20.25 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 17.22.21 # hey, i blew my ipod nano after my rockbox-install ... anyone got time to answer questions? 17.23.00 # what?s the condition of the ipod? 17.23.15 # its dead and not booting. 17.23.27 # not booting at all? 17.23.29 # anything? 17.23.42 Join Mmmm [0] (n=martin@cpc1-hem13-0-0-cust562.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 17.23.42 # not at all nothing. 17.24.09 # at least an apple logo? 17.24.44 # thatd be the first time id be really happy with that apple-logo, but sadly no. no apple. no nothing. 17.24.56 # screen stays blank. 17.24.58 # hmmm 17.25.09 # Hunnybunny: sounds like the battery has drained - try leaving it plugged into usb for 20-30 minutes, then hold menu+select to reboot it 17.25.24 # ok, let?s start from the begging 17.25.34 # obo: nope, i charged the battery 17.25.37 # you followed the instructions in the manual 17.25.53 # yes, everything worked until i connected to my pc 17.26.02 # and then reboot and then nothing? 17.26.09 # aha 17.26.23 # somebody remember how to start the rescue mode? 17.26.29 # holding menu+play 17.26.41 # but it needs to be booting for that to happen 17.26.45 # the ipod switched to the apple-firmware. i disconnected from the pc and the ipod showed: battery low and died 17.27.01 # aha 17.27.02 # how did you charge it? 17.27.32 # charged by usb-charging from pc AND external (sorry, im german my english sucks ;) 17.27.48 # in rockbox, or diskmode? 17.28.30 # what do you mean? 17.28.50 # which state was the ipod in when you charged 17.28.52 # when it was charging, was your ipod still in rockbox, or did you let it reboot into diskmode? 17.28.54 # was rockbox or original firmware running while you charged it? 17.28.56 # HunnyBunny - look at this thread, might help (particularly Step 2 about diskmode..) --> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7184.0 17.29.26 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 17.29.27 # the ipod was dead when i charged it - the light at the charger turned red, thats why i knew it was charging 17.29.59 # paul: nice link, thx, but the ipod is not booting so this wont help 17.30.34 # try holding menu while plugging the usb cable 17.30.53 # Hunnybunny: it still sounds like the battery is completely flat 17.31.22 # you charged it with an external charger, not with the pc? 17.32.15 # souldead: sorry cant do it here, the ipod is at home :( and i charged it external and with the pc - i tried both - it was for at least 6 hours at the charging device 17.32.30 # aha 17.32.41 # and what was running, apple firmware of rockbox? 17.33.13 # sorry, I meant Step B (well 1b) not step 2..... TThe part abou holding menu+play for 7 seconds, and trying again, and again... 17.33.25 # when it died it was running apple, cause itunes activated it and whn i disconnected the ipod from the pc it went dead 17.34.06 # ok, suggest plug the ipod to a computer with running itunes 17.34.08 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 17.34.18 # hi 17.34.22 # i use old version - 6.5 17.34.27 # hi My_Sic 17.34.27 # what difference would itunes make in that case??? 17.34.40 # i plugged it to a pc running itunes and a apple running itunes...no reaction. 17.34.46 # it might detect the ipod, i don?t know 17.34.59 # maybe make the usb to power the ipod with maximum power 17.35.09 # damn too bad i dont have the ipod with me :( paul, thx for the advice 17.36.02 # hmm. The recording trigger menu looks ... strange. 17.36.20 # settings are quite different than for all other menus. 17.37.13 # hunnybunny - That's okay, the iPod will be waiting for you and you'll probably in a more relaxed disposition when you get to try it.. ;) 17.37.55 Quit rconan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.38.02 # ill try the "push menu and center it until my fingers bleed"-thing when im at home :) hope it will help... and paul, ty, im trying to relax but my hangover is really hard on me today 17.38.56 # Hunnybunny there?s a chance that the battery will power a single boot when it relaxes 17.38.56 # Slasheri: are you here? 17.40.47 # ill try to meditate on my ipod, maybe that helps... its weird: now that i dont have it i really miss it ... ah, and rockbox is really fun, thank you for that 17.41.04 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 17.41.25 # Hi. 17.41.38 # I was reading the recent updates, and I saw this: 17.41.45 # "Added recording functions to plugin API per request of Thom Johansen. Cleaned up includes in plugin.c and grouped them a bit better in plugin.h while at it." 17.41.52 # What is that exactly? 17.42.30 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 17.44.15 # Anyone? 17.44.35 # have you looked at the diffs? 17.44.41 # Diffs? 17.45.08 # ??? 17.45.09 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugin.c.diff?r1=1.191&r2=1.192 17.45.13 # differences of two files stored in another 17.46.00 # I seriously don't get that. 17.46.35 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@s242-013.nomadic.bris.ac.uk) 17.46.43 # Can you tell me what is meant by 'recording functions to plugin'?? 17.47.09 # the green lines at the end - those functions are now available to any plugins that may need them 17.47.22 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.47.49 # to plugin == to plugin API .. 17.48.45 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.49.30 # basic CVS repository 17.49.34 Join Kittt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.94.12.54.cable.012.net.il) 17.50.58 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (i=pwnt@c-24-103-130-103.client.hacked.us) 17.51.08 Join rconan_ [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.51.34 Quit rconan (Nick collision from services.) 17.52.01 Nick rconan_ is now known as rconan (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.52.31 Quit Hunnybunny ("thank you and bye bye") 17.54.48 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 17.56.02 # Stupid question: why dont rockbox dont have good color interface 17.56.21 # define 'good' (or ungood) 17.57.14 # Gnelik maybe you can design one? 17.57.15 # obo - since you seem to know a lot.. Is it bad practice, in a plugin, to call on functions that aren't listed in the plugin.h header file? Say, calls to time()..? 17.57.17 # #define good "like iPodLinux" :) 17.57.55 # Because it's not cattering to only one platform but more than 12 of them, some monochrome, others not so... 17.58.16 # PaulPosition: AFAIK the function needs to be in the API... but I'm not the best person to ask :) 17.58.22 # the rockbox interface is pretty good for me since i use it mostly to listen music. 17.58.59 # obo - okay, thanks. As of now, anyway, I'm too much of a newb to submit anything so I'll play around like I want, but when I get more comfortable I'll be asking. :p 17.59.12 # Gnelik: What's wrong with the colour interface? 17.59.18 # it's easy enough to extent the API with anything you need 17.59.23 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.59.34 # What player do you use on PC?? 17.59.35 # fatal error: "like iPodLinux" is undefined. Stop. 17.59.44 # bluebrother: haha 18.00.07 # obo - I guess so, but hardcoding time_t structures and such when it is already part of the lib would be stupid.. :o 18.00.15 # PaulPosition Why dont you use console plauer? 18.00.20 # I have no idea how ipl looks like. I guess I also don't care. 18.00.41 # Gnelik - Uh?? My rockboxed H10 looks nothing like a console. 18.00.46 # PaulPosition: what functions are you after? 18.01.03 # Is it the lack of antialised, prerendered menus items that make you sad? 18.01.30 # * bluebrother is tired of guessing what people mean 18.01.35 # obo - mostly time functions, but I'll have a look at the vcard plugin someone was working on and see how he did it anyway.. :) 18.02.55 # Gnelik - Have you at least gone to WPS gallery and looked at some themes or is it you installed rockbox and started crying at the black/white default (and not so functional) screen? 18.03.04 # PaulPosition: nope 18.03.21 # hmm, I should have a look at the tarred themes thing again ... 18.03.35 # Gnelik, http://www.rockbox-themes.org 18.03.59 # I looked at WPSs many times 18.04.18 # then I really don't see your problem. 18.04.30 # refining it may help ... 18.05.00 # Please dont kill me, i shall not speak about iface again :))) 18.05.15 # :) 18.05.19 # this is great 18.06.53 # I prefer to actually understand what your issue is. Only asking why it isn't better doesn't give a clue what you are missing 18.07.21 # Oh well, *my* rockbox's screen is set to turn off after 5 seconds so I couldn't care less if the guy sitting in face of my on the subway sees that I have supergreat cover-art or whatnot. At least Rockbox has great SOUND. 18.07.35 # "in front of me".. sry. 18.09.30 # you can have "supergreat cover-art" with Rockbox, too though 18.09.35 # Good arguments 18.09.48 # true enough. :blush: 18.10.00 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 18.10.02 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16AF0.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.10.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host175-143.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 18.11.20 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@82.227.240.106) 18.12.38 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@ip233.209.reserved.ish.de) 18.13.02 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-250-130.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 18.14.56 # Gnelik - I think bluebrother invited you to "...talk about iface again". :) Maybe state what kind of improvement you wished for, maybe it already exists and just hasn't been used yet by WPS makers? 18.16.40 # PaulJam: now i am 18.18.18 # Barry - Are battery bench for H10 still usefull to you? Any other sort of data an end user could collect to help whatever it is you're fiddling with on that target (if you're still playing around with it, that is)? 18.19.15 # Slasheri: i have two questions concerning tagcache: 1. is it a known problem that when using the random folder function, after the change to another folder the rating and playcount of the first track is not available in the wps? (i havent tried this yet with an unmodified build) 18.20.03 # hmm, interesting.. i haven't used that feature yet but it sounds like a problem with the playback engine 18.21.58 # at least that doesn't seem to occur when just "normally" playing files 18.22.02 # and 2. in my tagnavi_custom.config i have used the format string '"%s [%s] %s" artist album title' but the results are sorted by title (i expected them to be sorted by artist). does the sorting only work for title and numeric values? 18.22.52 # does that format string work in otherwise ok? 18.23.50 # you need to make sure directory buffer size is large enough to hold all files on the player 18.23.55 # otherwise sorting cannot be done 18.24.31 # oh, that could be the problem. 18.25.19 # and formatting works only for non-unique tags (title and filename, possible numeric tags also) 18.25.54 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.25.58 # or that is when you can include references to other tags 18.26.07 # PaulPosition: i have some battery bench data already. have you noticed the battery being inaccurate at all? 18.27.11 # there's also the problem that the readings we're getting for the battery voltage are quite jumpy. to fix that we need to work out how to use the ADC better 18.28.05 # hmm, dir buffer is set to 3000 (with ~2700 files on the device) 18.28.31 # PaulJam: hmm, can you paste the formatting entry and menu entry of your config file? 18.28.38 # barry - nope no specific battery problem, just inquiring how a non-programming type like myself could maybe help by testing stuff. But I gotta go now, I'll re-read your thread at misticriver, might give me some idea. 18.28.43 # Well, see y'all. 18.29.33 Quit PaulPosition () 18.29.51 # %format "fmt_test1" "%s [%s] %s" artist album title 18.30.04 # "test1" -> title = "fmt_test1" 18.30.44 Quit damaki (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.31.30 # PaulJam: hmm, wierd.. that might be a bug, just a moment 18.33.40 # PaulJam: yep, it's a bug.. currently sorting is not enabled for the first level when you enter to a menu because tagtree assumes tagcache has already sorted the first index 18.34.36 # ok 18.35.06 # PaulJam: i am not sure what is the best way to fix that. You can add one clause to the entry that does nothing 18.35.11 # it should fix it also 18.35.12 Quit n1s ("Leaving.") 18.36.16 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-36-66.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.36.37 Quit dan_a (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.39.29 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 18.39.55 # PaulJam: try adding %sort = "normal" to the format string and update to the newest build 18.40.01 # that should fix it.. 18.40.19 # just committed an option to force the sorting 18.40.28 # ok, i'll try that. 18.41.16 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.51.44 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.53.16 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-151-1-67-40.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.58.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.01.34 # seems to work now, thank you 19.06.21 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 19.08.15 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 19.09.47 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.09.51 Quit ender` (" The great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid. -- Art Spander") 19.12.22 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.13.24 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 19.15.39 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.16.20 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849630.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.20.44 # lostlogic: so, any caveats about the new scheduler boost thing? 19.21.39 # preglow: not really -- any thread may boost, and when that thread sleeps, (if no other thread was boosted) the scheduler unboosts the CPU 19.26.32 # I guess the caveat is what counts as a sleep -- a timed block or a sleep is a sleep. a forever block _is not_ so a thread can wait on IO or similar blocking operations without a timeout but keep boosted. 19.30.53 # eh 19.31.00 # is that intentional? sounds pretty stupid 19.37.52 # is it possible to stop the hard drive from spinning up in the ipod bootloader, before ata_init() is called? 19.38.38 # obo: anything more happened with the piezo patch? 19.39.21 # no - I don't know what to do with it... it sounds pretty awful without using the timer - ticks just aren't short enough 19.40.13 # preglow: yes, intentional -- indefinite waits can be something like a read(), in which case you don't want to be toggling the boost on each side of the read or anything dumb like that 19.40.46 # preglow: any wait which may never return should be timed, and would thereby de-boost 19.41.04 # obo: Since the iPod Bootloader is a file loaded from disk, doesn't the disk *have* to spin up just to load the bootloader? 19.41.34 # obo: hmm, maybe the second core can be used to generate piezo sounds, for example? 19.41.40 # Paul_the_Nerd: yes, your right, of course... doh! 19.42.20 # has there been any word from dan_a about why his threads wouldn't start on the 2nd core? 19.43.17 # Slasheri: I don't understand how that would help?? 19.44.08 # obo: then we can do very small delays with simple delay loops 19.44.19 # and that would not have impact on playback performance 19.45.14 # something like udelay()? that could be a way around it 19.45.16 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp63-253.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.45.24 # anyway, using the user timer for piezo is pretty much out of the question 19.45.32 # and a tick long piezo beep is better than no beepÃ¥ 19.45.43 # i made it sound pretty decent anyway 19.45.44 # obo: yes, exactly. Someething not involving any system/kernel calls 19.46.15 # preglow: it sounded like a bag full of something nasty when I tried :) 19.47.15 # the api should stay the same anyway, i'm in favour of gutting out the user timer code and commiting it 19.47.18 # obo: using the second core, it's practically possible to generate almost anything from the piezo 19.47.21 # then we can do something fancy in time 19.47.24 # preglow: I also need to do something with the queues - they're going to overflow like mad at the moment with the wheell 19.47.31 # even put some music coming out of it if one desires :D 19.47.42 # midi piezo? ;) 19.47.51 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.48.12 # for example, or playing back the current song from the piezo.. not very high quality but should be possible ;) 19.49.25 # just writing a variable frequency pwm audio driver ;) 19.52.30 Quit Paul_the_Nerd ("Leaving.") 19.53.20 # sure 19.53.26 # people did that all the time in old pc stuff 19.53.26 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.54.56 Quit Seedy ("cu, Andre") 19.55.32 Quit Paul_the_Nerd (Client Quit) 19.55.49 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-131-175.cablep.bezeqint.net) 19.56.02 Quit Mmmm (Remote closed the connection) 19.56.11 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.57.46 Quit Seed (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.57.57 # The forums aren't really a proper place to discuss RMAA test results of basic DAP performance (as compared to OF vs. Rockbox). Would adding a wiki page for them be ok, or too far off topic? 19.58.37 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-131-175.cablep.bezeqint.net) 19.58.46 # For OF vs RB, a Wiki page is exactly appropriate 19.59.04 # I didn't explain myself well, I grok that, 19.59.12 # For overall DAP performance, which firmware would you test in? 19.59.30 Join midgey34 [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 20.00.06 # I'm curious about the low-impedance problem with the ipods, and was going to do a set of RMAA test with various loads, and wondered if posting those tests in the wiki were too far off-topic. 20.00.44 # If you're just testing the hardware itself, as long as *all* tests are done in Rockbox, that's fine I'd say. 20.00.57 # It'd be nice to know the sonic merits and flaws of any given hardware under Rockbox, I think 20.06.39 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 20.09.32 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@ip233.209.reserved.ish.de) 20.12.00 Quit Kingstone (Client Quit) 20.14.18 Quit jhMikeS ("User pushed the X - Because it's X-tra") 20.18.30 Quit Febs (Remote closed the connection) 20.25.56 Join BlackHoleOfCode [0] (n=BlackHol@69-172-138-70.atlsfl.adelphia.net) 20.26.06 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-250-130.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 20.26.22 Quit BlackHoleOfCode (Client Quit) 20.26.31 Join BlackHoleOfCode [0] (n=BlackHol@69-172-138-70.atlsfl.adelphia.net) 20.29.45 Quit HCl (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.35.57 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 20.37.15 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 20.40.07 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.41.41 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.42.19 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.42.47 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 20.47.36 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! 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Through the controller or through a GPIO connection 21.18.15 Join Kitt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.95.92.26.cable.012.net.il) 21.19.06 # amiconn: did you add more info to your ida pro database (regarding usbotg)? 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The fiels are in /apps/keymaps/ 22.40.14 # yeah.. 22.40.18 # that's what i'm trying 22.40.22 # s/fiels/files 22.40.30 # going to boot the player now to see if it worked 22.40.34 # goffa don?t listen to him 22.40.41 # try "C pill" 22.40.42 # :) 22.41.09 Join JoeTermini [0] (i=485dd2c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.41.20 # i think it worked 22.41.27 # cool :) 22.41.39 # now to southern engineer my first patch.. lol 22.42.24 # yo guys, when i use the 22.42.27 # i didn't play with the remote.. because .. well.. i don't have one 22.43.06 # when i use the "make" command when i try to compile, i get a ton of errors about clock skews. Any ideas? 22.43.27 # make clean 22.43.31 # reconfigure 22.43.34 # make again 22.43.53 # i tried that 22.44.01 # wait, reconfigure? 22.44.08 # JoeTermini: the files are on a FAT partition? 22.44.14 # run tools/configure again 22.44.15 # yes 22.44.17 # that?s what i mean 22.44.18 # oh 22.44.20 # yeah i did that 22.44.30 # yeah i did that 22.44.31 # do you use cvs sources? 22.44.33 # yes 22.44.46 # what target? 22.44.55 # what do you mean 22.45.03 # FAT only has a 2 second resolution... got an NTFS or other partition somewhere? 22.45.08 # which device do you build for 22.45.17 # that doesn't matter 22.45.25 # or maybe you need a more recent make? 22.45.39 # ipod 5g 22.45.45 # * petur tries to remember the discussion from some days ago 22.45.53 # just a sec 22.45.58 # k 22.45.59 # i?l try with my sources 22.46.19 # the key is FAT and some specific make version iirc 22.46.27 # make -v 22.46.52 # JoeTermini ipod video, right? 22.46.56 # yes 22.47.31 # JoeTermini: what version does make-v say? 22.47.34 # with the make -v command, i got GNU make 3.81 22.47.47 # any way to use .LOW_RESOLUTION_TIME? 22.47.57 # ? 22.48.18 # make -v also says "built for i686-pc-cygwin" 22.48.29 # 3.81 is ok 22.48.31 # i use that 22.48.48 # JoeTermini: only got FAT partitions? 22.49.10 Quit JoeTermini ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.50.31 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.50.37 # uh oh... the world will never be the same, i just upped my patch 22.50.45 # first ever 22.50.54 # oops. 22.51.35 # * goffa googles for "C pill" 22.52.00 # amiconn: did you add lot of info to your h300 ida pro file regarding isp1362? 22.52.39 # goffa, greetings 22.53.02 # i am a professional programmer and still don?t have one 22.53.04 # :) 22.54.18 # * goffa wonders if he takes 3 will that make him well versed in c++ 22.54.38 # haha 22.54.43 # maybe :) 22.56.48 Quit amiconn (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.56.48 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.56.51 # shit!!!! 22.57.11 # not here please ;) 22.57.18 # my cat chewed up my e5c cord 22.58.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.58.44 # that?s why i don?t have one.... 22.59.16 # i didn't want one... long story.. but my sister broke up with her boyfriend... i wound up with the cat 22.59.38 # hahaha 22.59.39 # nice 22.59.55 # just keep it away from you things 23.00.05 # ether the cat or the things :) 23.02.46 # guess so.. the cat has never bothered my stuff before 23.02.58 # wondering if i can get shure to repair them 23.03.13 # what?s e5c? 23.03.20 # i bet that's why you got it 23.04.34 Quit JoeyBorn ("Leaving") 23.04.34 # * SoulDeaD goodnight all 23.04.47 # shure e5c are canalphones 23.04.52 # like $350 23.05.05 # Well, audio coords are not exactly rocket science (despite what some people would like to have you believe) 23.05.41 # * petur knows people who spend a lot of money on speaker cable 23.05.42 # i know.. but when you have a $350 pair of phones you don't exactly want a spliced-together piece of shit 23.05.46 # * Genre9mp3 agrees with rasher 23.06.26 # goffa: True, but if that's the only option (ie. Shure won't fix them), it's not the end of the world 23.06.59 # yeah.. i know 23.07.03 # was contemplating upgrading too 23.07.04 # petur: Do you punch your friends a lot? 23.07.16 # just didn't want to do it right now 23.07.17 # Wait, you didn't refer to them as friends. 23.07.23 # if you know what i mean 23.07.26 # rasher: no never, why? 23.07.48 # petur: I would, if they spent a lot of money on speaker cable 23.08.01 # Unless they were setting up a recording studio or something 23.08.25 # they're audio freaks (got a room in the house with tilted ceiling,... 23.08.47 # Maybe you should sell them some cable elevators 23.09.29 # http://www.whiprush.org/2006/02/better_sound_th.html 23.09.53 Quit nudelyn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.10.01 # lol 23.10.25 # The link at the bottom is priceless 23.10.40 Quit SoulDeaD ("Leaving") 23.11.03 # This is great. $9,000 for speaker cable? Apparently, these cables measure well in 'articulation response', and balance the 'holy trinity' of electrical properties. For $9,000, I would certainly expect my cables to 'measure well', even in ways which no-one has heard of before. I'm not even sure I'd pay that kind of money for the holy trinity. All three of 'em. In one room. 23.11.04 # wish i had the link.. i saw a site that was selling "true audiophile gear" wooden knobs were like $10,000 23.11.34 # audiofools.... 23.11.55 # I was skeptical just like you, but now I can hear all my sound haze free. I'm especially impressed with the porcelain isolator technology and the non-conductive glaze. I'll never let my cable touch the floor again, I had no idea how much sound the floor can absorb. 23.11.56 # http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C 23.12.14 # goffa: It's a steal at only $485 23.12.19 Join rex [0] (n=kunich24@user-118bmr9.cable.mindspring.com) 23.12.35 # goffa: didn't dan's data link to that? 23.12.37 # can u use rockbox on creative zen 23.12.46 # rex: Nope 23.12.48 # lol.. that's cheap rasher 23.12.57 # ender`: i think so 23.13.01 # you can store the rockbox zip on the zen's disk, but that's about all ;) 23.13.20 # o 23.13.24 # thnx 23.13.25 # i was going to get new headphones.. i think i'll get a wooden knob instead 23.13.28 # :) 23.14.21 # Oh wait, you need two 23.14.35 # So that's $970 23.14.43 # yeah.. in case the sonic qualites of the one goes bad 23.14.47 # ie my cat eats it 23.14.54 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 23.15.05 # one will do, just bang it on the head hard enough and you'll hear some very special sounds 23.15.14 # goffa: No, it's for the $3780 volume control box which needs two knobs 23.15.47 # Also fits the $6820 volume control box. 23.17.13 # pfft 23.17.14 # I'm amazed that a) there are people who would buy this b) these people are capable of doing anything but drool om themselves 23.17.21 # * petur whispers something about a fool and his money... 23.17.46 # yeah.. i'm with peter 23.17.53 # i'm in the wrong rackett 23.18.57 # sent the message off... told them about the cat, asked how much it would be to repair... then asked if they had a trade in/upgrade policy 23.19.07 # guessing probably too much to repair.. and no 23.21.23 # at least i have my ety's to fall back on 23.21.30 # petur: Only very little, if anything 23.21.43 # rasher... thanks for the priceless link! :) 23.21.51 # lol 23.21.53 # amiconn: :( 23.22.06 # I don't deem this ida stuff too helpful. 23.22.23 # A simple disasm listing would do if done by a clueful disassembler 23.22.24 # i should find out who buys that.. i've got some extra-strength placebo's for them 23.22.28 Join Billy_BlairADM [0] (n=chatzill@cpc2-brig5-0-0-cust725.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.22.38 # Genre9mp3: holy christ. I don't posses the words to describe how retarded that is 23.22.53 # Anyway, we have the chip docs, and we know how it's hooked up 23.23.07 # I don't think we need further help from the disassembly 23.23.20 # amiconn: it's that last thing I wonder about 23.23.59 # Disassembly is helpful for finding out low level stuff, but not for complex stuff like an usb stack 23.24.08 # that Philips guy that's helping me a bit said it's not normal to connect ID to the microcontroller 23.24.50 # you'd expect usb pin 4 (ID) is monitored. if not by isp1362, then maybe it's connected to a GPIO? 23.25.12 # which would explain why a device is detected immediately 23.25.34 # For example, I found that chip select detail (setting SWE in the ide control regs) without the disassembly, but thorugh reading of the coldfire datasheet 23.25.42 # *thorough 23.25.57 # we're not all that good ;) 23.25.58 Nick Billy_BlairADM is now known as ipodfoo (n=chatzill@cpc2-brig5-0-0-cust725.brig.cable.ntl.com) 23.26.30 # The disassembly is a lot of back & forth jumping. Almost looks like spaghetti 23.26.30 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 23.26.47 # compilers, eh? 23.27.26 # Sorry to butt in. Is it possible to get write permissions to edit the wiki? ive registered etc and noticed a few spellings on wiki. Cheers. 23.27.27 # Well, in fact I wonder why it's so spaghetti. At least the low-level driver routines look very unoptimised, almost like gcc -O0 23.27.29 Join menosm [0] (n=chatzill@user-11fac6q.dsl.mindspring.com) 23.29.04 # anyone know where the left to wps is? 23.29.13 # searching the plugins not having much luck 23.29.18 # er patches 23.30.22 # ipodfoo: wiki name? 23.30.31 # BillyBlair 23.31.31 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-31-56.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 23.31.42 # ipodfoo: done. 23.31.55 # many thanks petur. 23.31.58 Join Parachutes [0] (n=jmlane@unaffiliated/Jon-) 23.32.43 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@STRATTON-FIVE-O-FIVE.MIT.EDU) 23.33.01 Quit rex (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.37.16 # Just out of interest, do we stick with US english spelling or UK spelling for wiki? 23.37.30 # UK iirc 23.38.32 Quit [g2] ("Leaving") 23.38.37 Join [g2] [0] (n=g2@nslu2-linux/g2) 23.39.12 # "Although it is not yet fully understood scientifically, the phenomenon of "cable break-in" has been experienced by many audiophiles." 23.39.15 # Hmmm. 23.39.18 # "Although it is not yet fully understood scientifically, the phenomenon of "gullibility" has been experienced by many audiophiles." 23.39.20 # hahah 23.40.11 # my headphones experienced cable break in today 23.40.32 # break-in or just break? 23.40.42 # is it fully understood scientifically? 23.40.43 # well .... probably break 23.40.55 # break-off 23.41.38 # barrywardell: i've got a patch for you 23.43.18 Quit Parachutes ("ALT+F4") 23.43.23 Join Parachutes [0] (n=jmlane@unaffiliated/Jon-) 23.44.32 # midgey34: great thanks. can you send it to me? 23.44.42 # petur: Iiuc the ID bit just selects the default role of the isp1362. So iriver chose to control this from the cpu instead of the plug type 23.44.54 # barrywardell: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6315 23.46.45 # i'll test it in a few minutes, thanks 23.47.43 # all right, like i said in the comments, the hwcodec sims wont actually output any sound for me 23.49.06 # midgey34: The hwcodec sims never actually played music 23.49.22 # They only pretend to play and simulate some peak activity 23.49.33 # oh, well then good 23.49.38 # i didnt break anything :) 23.50.16 # The playback in the swcodec sims is a post-addition that goes beyond the original purpose of the sims 23.50.33 Join jmlane [0] (n=jmlane@unaffiliated/Jon-) 23.50.44 Quit jmlane (Client Quit) 23.50.44 # It used to be an UI simulator only (hence rockboxui) 23.51.49 Join theone [0] (i=43b08a0a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.52.39 # hello 23.52.43 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 23.53.28 # Does rockbox recharge the iRiver H340 without the AC adapter plugged in? 23.53.41 # That's what's happening. 23.54.02 # This sounds unlikely 23.54.10 # Battery Voltage went from 3.40V to 3.86V 23.54.13 # theone: You mean USB charging? 23.54.15 # Unless you just discovered free energy, or I'm reading your question wrong 23.54.34 # Basically I would run to a full charge, use it a coupel of hours and the unit just shuts off 23.54.51 # I can try to power it on, but battery voltage is around 3.40-ish 23.54.59 # and turns off while in the Rockbox logo screen 23.55.04 # midgey34: what's the purpose of removing the #include 23.55.05 # I wait about 3 hours 23.55.12 # now the battery is at 3.86V 23.55.28 # barrywardell: no point really, it just seemed unneeded, i sorta removed it on a whim 23.55.42 # the battery indicator display went from really low to about 80% in other words 23.55.51 # it actually should propably be left in, since i dont really know its purpose 23.56.29 # and when I say "wait", I mean just turn it off and leave it sitting without anything plugged in 23.56.46 Join voyeur [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.56.54 # hello 23.57.03 Quit Parachutes ("ALT+F4") 23.57.09 # theone: maybe the battery just recovered a bit - it's just chemicals you know 23.57.12 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-43-14.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 23.57.26 # midgey34: it should probably be kept separate from your patch anyway 23.57.32 # true 23.57.37 # theone: Any temperature changes? 23.57.56 # oops I meant about 50% not 80% 23.58.08 # i wondered when a project is commited to releases and daily builds ?daily builds 23.58.17 # petur & rasher, maybe...I was outside and it's around 40ish and inside it's around 70s 23.58.24 # (Fahrenheit) 23.58.34 # That might explain it 23.58.56 # midgey34: i wonder about those multiple definition warnings