--- Log for 18.11.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 15 days and 9 hours ago 00.06.33 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 00.07.18 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 00.08.29 Quit netmasta10bt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.18.14 Quit Blackfish ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.19.00 Join vx [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 00.24.38 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 00.25.32 Nick Soap_ is now known as Soap (n=Soap@cpe-65-189-128-141.columbus.res.rr.com) 00.35.35 Quit ender` (" The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'.") 00.41.44 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 00.41.50 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.59.39 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 01.01.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.03.39 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 01.10.39 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 01.12.10 Quit obo ("bye") 01.16.47 Quit Soap ("Leaving") 01.24.04 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 01.29.42 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.161.101) 01.31.44 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.31.59 Join Sinbios [0] (i=Sinbios@dsl-10-130-63.b2b2c.ca) 01.39.08 Nick Caliban__ is now known as Caliban (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 01.40.59 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 01.46.45 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC") 01.47.15 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! 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I'm compiling it here right now without error but I got errors on the build. That's very weird. 03.32.42 # Just did a clean one 03.36.30 # Question. 03.36.44 # I'm using an iRiver h320. 03.37.05 # Is it worth shelling out the money for one of the 5th gen 80GB iPods if I'm going to put Rockbox on it? 03.37.21 # well, you currently cant 03.37.32 Join Coldtoast [0] (n=chatzill@ppp111-70.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 03.37.40 # No bootloader patch? 03.37.49 # nope 03.37.54 # Why not? 03.38.04 # good question 03.38.23 # Is there a problem with making something to patch the ROM? 03.38.36 # man, this doesn't make sense. I can build those targets from scratch without error here. 03.38.42 # there is a problem with the 80 GB version 03.38.48 # we do not know what 03.38.49 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 14 minutes and 12 seconds at the last flood 03.38.49 # * jhMikeS has to think fast 03.39.49 # darn red builds 03.43.21 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=spader@adsl-144-239-244.mia.bellsouth.net) 03.43.59 Join ivan` [0] (i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan) 03.48.22 # help! 03.49.06 # help requested, at your service 03.49.56 # the red builds. they build fine here after make clean but not on the build server :-\ 03.50.57 # hrm, building isn't anything i do, i just grab the lastest 03.53.24 # jhMikeS: Are you sure you committed all changes? 03.54.47 # No new files involved. I'm checking that. 03.55.12 # scorche: If the 80 GB version isn't supported, from what I understand the 5th gen video (40 and 60 GB) are? 03.55.54 # config.h is there which defines the macro that should add the function to the plugin api and it's complaining about 03.56.39 Quit shnee (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.56.54 # jhMikeS: config.h or plugin.h? I don't see a change to config.h 03.57.02 # Oh, wait, I'm blind 03.57.39 Quit midgey34 () 03.58.16 # I don't see the cause either. =/ 03.58.20 # though I'm noticing something that should be subtely different but it should affect red 03.58.31 # shouldn't affect rather 03.58.41 # yeah, it's like CONFIG_CPU is wrong 04.00.15 # Either way, there's no good reason it should build for you, but not up there, right? 04.00.28 # * Paul_the_Nerd goes to cvs update 04.00.30 # not that I can think of but it's fine here 04.00.41 # We'll see if it works or not here. 04.01.01 # I'll do cvs up as well and see if I get any M's 04.01.01 # It'll take a couple for the VM to fire up 04.02.56 # I got an M on audio.h but expected that one since I changed #ifdef USE_IRAM to #ifdef IRAM_STEAL which it should be...still doesn't explain it though 04.03.22 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 04.04.38 # maybe I should throw the one-liner up there to start a build and see if results are the same 04.04.47 # I just built succesfully 04.04.51 # successfully 04.04.54 # yeah, crazy 04.04.54 # So, um, maybe 04.08.33 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.08.36 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54987B0C.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.09.21 # Wish I could see which servers did which builds instead of just the number 04.09.34 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.11.46 # Paul_the_Nerd: Check out the build message. The next build includes parts of my previous commit. LOL wtf's happening here? 04.12.15 Part Terinjokes 04.12.22 # Sup All. 04.12.24 # Paul. 04.12.26 # It looks like something's not quite reliable right now. 04.12.37 # maybe it'll work now 04.12.47 # I bet it will. 04.12.53 # What will? 04.12.57 # The build. 04.15.33 # Build for what? 04.16.05 Quit [sellout] ("Freedom is for outlaws") 04.17.52 # yup...green again 04.18.04 # Huh? 04.18.44 # ze buildz on ze table zer 04.18.55 # TerrorByte: the auto builds everytime a CVS change is commited are colour coded in a big table based on the results (errors, etc) of the auto builds. 04.18.58 # TerrorByte: dont worry about it...we were just discussing irregularities during CVS commits 04.20.16 # Cool, understood. 04.20.36 # jhMikeS: I wonder what exactly happened, since it showed your changes to those files on both builds... 04.21.02 # I dunno. Something for Bagder to worry about :P 04.21.13 # Perhaps 04.21.58 # The changes were committed but the new versions must not have been sent to the servers that made those builds. 04.24.15 # Hey. 04.24.27 # Do gameboy games (not color) run at realtime on Rockboy? 04.24.50 # It's something I'll discuss with him for sure 04.25.44 # TerrorByte: It depends on the game and which player you have. The easiest way to know is to try it. 04.26.03 # Yes well there is no Rockboy on the H10. 04.26.16 # Well, then the answer for H10 is "no" 04.26.21 # That's kind of why my request is there. 04.26.24 # Oh, thanks Paul. 04.26.41 # I kind of meant other players. 04.26.51 # Well, I gave you the answer for other players 04.26.53 # Like the H100 and similar stuff. 04.27.00 # It varies dramatically 04.27.07 # Do ANY run at realtime. 04.27.10 # GB games, not GBC. 04.27.12 # Yes. 04.27.35 # And do any GBC games run at realtime? 04.27.41 # Dunno. 04.27.49 # ... 04.27.53 # People seem to feel the pokemon games run fast enough, but I don't know if it's realtime. 04.28.11 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC") 04.28.35 # GBC games don't run realtime on my 450 MHz AMD. I'll be pissed if they do on my ipod. ;) 04.28.40 Join TerrorByte [0] (i=4889bb7a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ginnypig.net/session) 04.29.00 # Soap: I understand with frameskipping some of them are reasonably close / playable. 04.29.32 # I'm sure they are, just joking. 04.29.55 # Paul, do any GBC games run at realtime? 04.30.11 # But since I tend toward the "listening to music" side of music player owners, and since a gameboy color costs all of $8 these days, I don't really care about performance too much. :) 04.30.11 # you just asked that... 04.30.22 # TerrorByte: Not only did you ask it, but I responded, and you responded to my response... 04.30.41 # Okay, I asked about GB. 04.30.43 # Recent CVS activity only shows the last commit and not the remainder of the previous but the table shows all of it. 04.30.54 # And I did ask about GBC. 04.30.54 # But got disconnected. 04.30.57 # And didn't see any messages. 04.30.57 # -_-; 04.30.59 # You asked about GBC 04.31.00 # I said "Dunno" 04.31.03 # and you said "..." 04.31.03 # Oh. 04.31.08 # Yeah I wrote both. 04.31.12 # But I didn't see either. 04.31.22 # Reconnected. 04.32.05 # Maybe I should go bug Barry about Rockboy on the H10. 04.32.13 # Why him? 04.32.21 # It's hardly his responsibility. 04.32.31 # Who's responsibility is it? 04.32.37 # Should be yours..... Yep. 04.32.37 # Whoever wants it done badly enough. 04.32.52 # Barry's put a lot of hard work in on things that actually affect everyone. 04.32.54 # Great job turning it on me. 04.32.57 # You're good at that. 04.33.00 Join ObsidianX [0] (i=evilmonk@evil.pengu.in) 04.33.06 # TerrorByte: it si the truth 04.33.19 # Pestering people to do things they don't care about doesn't get them done any sooner, but does irritate them. 04.33.21 # is even 04.33.34 # hey, does anybody here have an untouched iPod 5g 1.2 firmware? 04.33.40 # For example, I don't even have an H10. If I were going to tinker with the output code on Rockbox, I'd do it for Nano 04.33.42 # Soap: i noticed you didnt even try to tab-complete ;) 04.33.43 # Like you? 04.34.02 # As we can see, it's been nearly a year since Rockbox came to the Nano, and while I was either the first or second person to boot Rockbox on one, I've clearly not adapted Rockboy 04.34.38 # I dunno why Rockboy isn't as popular. 04.34.40 # I mean come on. 04.34.55 # It's Rockbox with like a stick added onto the 'x'. 04.35.04 # Because color gameboys are $8, games are 1-2, legal roms require owning the game anyway, so you're saving $8 by using it. 04.35.11 # I know, I wish I could play games while at work. 04.35.18 # * jhMikeS has never tried out Rockboy 04.35.24 # * scorche hasnt either 04.35.34 # nor the everpopular doom 04.35.38 # * Paul_the_Nerd tried it once, but it was during that period where you couldn't quit on H120 without a hard reset. 04.36.06 # * Soap doesn't trust DAP buttons to handle gaming usage. 04.36.12 Quit mirak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.36.16 # * TerrorByte concurs 04.36.29 # Not gaming 24/7 on the damn thing. 04.36.32 # Just occasionally. 04.36.47 # * jhMikeS worries about laying the buttons to waste with hard gaming 04.37.28 # consiering I plan on keeping my player for ~ 10 years, I don't want to wear it out. 04.38.03 # LOL. 04.38.27 # you think I'm kidding? I _am_ on a 450 right now. 04.38.44 # Wow. 04.38.45 # Yeah, other than occasional battery and HD replacements, I want my H120 to last a good long time. 04.38.50 # Won't the HD just conk out by then? 04.38.53 # Ah. 04.39.35 # i still use my archos recorder regularly as do many other people...it is pretty old 04.40.34 # I still would like Rockboy. 04.40.42 # I think even Solitaire is a bit heavy on the button use as that can be pretty intense :P 04.40.46 # then do it 04.41.20 Quit wehn_ () 04.47.12 # ... 04.47.28 # Well long weekend for me. 04.51.42 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.52.38 # Paul_the_Nerd: forgot to thank you for helping out. thanks. 04.55.00 # Well, not like I really helped. :-P 04.56.03 # actually it did cause you checked a red build yourself so I knew it wasn't on my end 04.58.42 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 05.00.30 # Well, either way, it's not time for Bagder-intervention 05.01.13 # So my nephew drops off an iPod 4g Grayscale today for me to muck with 05.01.19 # kewl 05.01.25 # compiling now 05.01.31 # :-) 05.01.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.03.00 # Watch out, they freeze. 05.03.15 # Davide-NYC: thinking about giving up the H120 for an iPod now? :P 05.03.27 # no way. 05.03.37 # Paul_the_Nerd: are u serious, how bad? 05.03.51 # Maybe I can help! 05.03.54 # :-) 05.03.57 # It's the CPU scaling bug. 05.04.07 Join rudefyet [0] (n=matt@cpe-76-181-143-206.columbus.res.rr.com) 05.04.08 # If you manually boost, or disable frequency scaling, it's fine. 05.04.25 # hmm, not sure I follow 05.04.47 # how do I do either of those thing? 05.05.09 # The first one can be achieved from the debug menu, you just increase the boost counter by one in the cpu frequency portion of the debug menu. 05.05.19 # The second one is accomplished by disabling a define in the build 05.08.01 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.10.32 # stupid question: how do I reboot this thing? 05.10.54 # hold menu and select 05.11.17 # bam! thanks 05.12.51 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16DD0.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.13.17 # you are welcome emeril 05.13.17 # so the usb mode is still handled by retail os 05.13.47 # Yup 05.26.11 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@145.80-202-105.nextgentel.com) 05.29.38 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.32.41 Join erock [0] (i=erock@ip72-209-77-166.ga.at.cox.net) 05.34.30 # anyone have a problem with the original ipod firmware being mirrored? 05.34.56 Join perpleXa [0] (i=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 05.35.11 Quit mosh ("adios") 05.36.25 # hello 05.36.34 # anyone in here for to help me with the rocking box? 05.36.53 Join jp [0] (n=jp@c-24-19-243-187.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 05.38.21 Quit perpleXa (Client Quit) 05.41.53 Join perpleXa [0] (i=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 05.42.15 Quit perpleXa (Client Quit) 05.45.33 # anyone in here? 05.45.35 # hello 05.45.38 # no 05.45.49 # stop talking, i've got a headache 05.46.02 # this isn't very helpful at all 05.47.05 # how are we supposed to help you when you have not asked a question? 05.54.14 # ok 05.54.21 # i have a greyscale 05.54.23 # 4g ipod 05.55.07 # let me guess...freezes? 05.55.12 # i installed rockbox and when i switch back to regular firmware, its mirroed 05.55.14 # mirrored 05.55.20 # ah...you 05.55.37 # now what do you mean by mirrored? 05.55.50 # backwards 05.55.53 # from right to left 05.56.40 # are you referring to rockbox being mirrored or the original firmware? 05.57.48 # Wasn't that a problem with old bootloaders? 05.57.54 # Or no, that was inverse colors 05.58.08 # yeah 05.58.16 # (to the second line) 05.59.55 # Is he using the Rockbox loader, or loader 2.4? 06.01.02 # well, he still hasnt answered my question yet either, although i doubt it is the OR... 06.01.21 # * Paul_the_Nerd shrugs 06.07.37 # is there any way to use the ipod in rockbox while charging? 06.07.55 # 4g grey 06.08.02 # hold menu while inserting the cable 06.08.14 # and read the manual/read FAQ ;) 06.08.19 # hehe 06.08.57 # I guess I have to. I was trying to get around it since I've already read it twice for the H1x0 06.09.21 # well, you dont need to read the things like how tagcache works, etc 06.09.54 # that didn't work at all :-) 06.10.56 # compiling manula now... 06.11.00 # *manual 06.11.11 # uh...why? 06.12.15 # why not? 06.12.28 # save bandwidth on the rb servers? 06.12.29 # because they are available on the site? 06.12.33 # * scorche shrugs 06.12.39 # to each, their own i guess =) 06.13.20 # oh crap 06.13.22 # sorry 06.13.29 # i got distracated by songbird 06.13.35 Quit erock (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 06.13.44 # * Paul_the_Nerd wonders why people ask for help if they don't actually want it. 06.14.05 # * scorche wonders if songbrd kicked him too 06.14.33 Join erock [0] (i=erock@ip72-209-77-166.ga.at.cox.net) 06.14.42 # oh crap 06.14.50 # i got distracted by songbird 06.15.00 # erock: As a general rule, if you ask for help and expect us to pay enough attention to give help, you should also pay enough attention to receive it. 06.15.08 # yes, i apologize 06.15.19 # that was very jerklike 06.15.37 # Anyway, is the reversing in Rockbox or Original firmware, and which bootloader are you using? 06.15.42 # my problem though was for original firmware 06.15.48 # and i am using the regular bootloader 06.15.57 # wow... 06.16.01 # or.. whichever one the guide tells you to install 06.16.13 # which guide? 06.16.17 # uhm 06.16.25 # the first link in the list of them 06.16.26 # at the site 06.16.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 06.17.00 # well, regardless, that is very odd... 06.17.06 # yea? 06.17.10 # its happened many times 06.17.15 # i used rockbox for a while 06.17.23 # then since it freezes sometimes i switched back 06.17.24 # have you tried uninstalling rockbox and loading the original firmware? 06.17.32 # and now i decided to try it again, same problem 06.17.45 # FYI: there is a temporary fix for the freezes 06.17.56 # oh, is there? 06.18.01 # i pretty much despise itunes 06.18.14 # since ID3 tags are terrible when i download lots of music 06.18.15 # yes...the frequency scaling patch 06.18.27 # frequency scaling? 06.18.36 # that is what i said.. 06.18.47 # * Davide-NYC ducks 06.18.55 # search in the tracker for that 06.18.58 # yes, i don't understand the term 06.19.07 # or how it would fix freezing 06.19.09 # but i will search 06.19.28 # so i could try using a different loader to fix the mirror bug you think? 06.19.32 # or if you are unable to compile/dont want to learn (which you really should), there is this build http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 06.20.06 # honestly, i dont know what could be causing it, although it *could* be the bootloader 06.20.21 # try uninstalling rockbox and see if you still have the issue 06.20.22 # I found a bug, it's not in the tracker and it's trivial 06.20.54 # Delete direcory asks for a select, but acts on a Play/Pause 06.21.16 # It is worthy of a bug reports? 06.21.43 # The language file needs to be patched. 06.21.44 # no..it was probably something i screwed up with my latest patch 06.21.53 # let me check 06.21.53 # i will try uninstall, brb 06.24.39 Join midgey34 [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 06.24.41 Quit jp ("Leaving") 06.25.45 # is it safe to delete this BOOTEX.LOG file? 06.27.25 # so this frequency scaling is an error where rockbox tries to scale the cpu for battery life and it fails? 06.27.49 # it is related 06.32.38 Quit Landus ("Leaving") 06.33.49 # decides to give back the pod 06.34.03 # * Davide-NYC me no likee :-( 06.36.59 # ok, thanks a bunch guys, i went to that site, downloaded the scaling frequency patch, and from his site got another bootloader which loads apple firmware by default, and it isn't mirrored 06.37.09 # well, looking at the keymaps, i dont see one that should have that behavior...maybe it is an issue of what lang delete calls 06.37.13 # now i shall test the freezing 06.37.33 # erock: you mean patch and not build correct? 06.38.04 # hrm....so it most likely is an issue with the bootloader 06.38.45 # yes, it appears to be bootloader issue, i got... the zip file with an edited build, and also a bootloader4g.bin 06.39.33 # anyone happen to know where the code is for the "pop-ups" such as deleting a file, shutting down, etc are? 06.41.42 # scattered i see... 06.53.23 Quit erock (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 07.01.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.01.47 # I don;t 07.01.59 # bed time 07.02.06 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.76 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 07.07.19 Join rudefyet_ [0] (n=matt@cpe-76-181-143-206.columbus.res.rr.com) 07.08.21 Quit rudefyet_ (Client Quit) 07.10.40 Join putnum [0] (i=4028e01e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 07.11.11 Quit putnum (Client Quit) 07.24.39 Quit rudefyet (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.27.47 Quit secleinteer (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.27.47 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.27.48 Quit RoC_MM (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.27.48 Quit ze (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.27.48 Quit alberink (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.27.48 Quit Psiuyo (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.27.48 Quit Strath (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.27.48 Quit dark (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.29.56 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.29.56 NJoin secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.161.101) 07.29.56 NJoin RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 07.29.56 NJoin ze [0] (i=ze@70.40.152.105) 07.29.56 NJoin alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 07.29.56 NJoin Psiuyo [0] (n=me@S0106000f66cdc7db.cg.shawcable.net) 07.29.56 NJoin Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 07.29.56 NJoin dark [0] (i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com) 07.34.30 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 07.42.13 Part Paul_the_Nerd 08.02.21 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host198-139.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 08.23.37 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-252-230-67.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 08.25.47 # jhMikeS: I tell you what happened... the build system started building in the middle of your commit. 08.25.58 # It does that from time to time, very annoying 08.26.40 # * amiconn wants atomic commits !!!1!!1 08.32.41 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 08.41.12 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 08.42.05 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 08.48.57 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-7-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 08.55.39 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 08.55.46 Quit RoC_MM (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.58.40 # amiconn: had me going I'll tell ya :) 08.59.14 # hi 08.59.35 # hello 08.59.46 # Are you still looking into the idea of in-place memory swapping? 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at all) 12.41.58 Quit robfitz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.44.21 Join robfitz [0] (n=robfitz@212.2.171.8) 12.49.33 Quit lini ("lini has no reason") 12.56.57 Join webguest44 [0] (i=c2cefe08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 12.57.30 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.57.58 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966286.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.58.45 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 12.59.15 # JdGordon: thankd for fixing the bubbles controls... but sorry to get on your nerves but the automatic shoot doesn't work correctly - only after the time ran out it is possible to shoot with any key. If you don't touch the player at all it stays with the "hurry" displayed 12.59.26 # thanks too :) 12.59.35 Join webguest98 [0] (i=c2cefe08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.01.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.02.26 Quit webguest44 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.03.54 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 13.04.36 Quit webguest98 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.09.23 # dan_a_away:hi, any progress? 13.14.45 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/administrator/Febs) 13.17.46 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 13.18.50 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.19.53 Join daurnimator [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 13.20.05 # pixelma: sorry, im confused.. how is it suppsosed to work? 13.20.44 Join crashd [0] (n=crashd@lostnode.org) 13.23.24 # JdGordon: first it warns you with the "hurry" splash... then after a few more seconds it fires the bubble independantly... so if you would start the game and leave the player alone you would lose after a while 13.23.35 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-41.net-81-220-108.rev.numericable.fr) 13.23.49 # yeah, thats whats supposed to happen.. no? 13.24.14 # yes but it doesn't 13.24.28 # it did in the sim... 13.24.33 # not in mine 13.24.41 Join Blackfish [0] (n=asd@p548353EA.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.24.47 # it felt like about 10s or so.. 13.24.56 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 13.25.07 # (tried Ondio-Sim, H300-Sim and on target) 13.25.32 Quit crashd (Client Quit) 13.25.37 Join crashd [0] (n=crashd@lostnode.org) 13.25.39 # I could have gone make myself coffee or something 13.25.50 # ive just opened up the ondio sim.. hurry after about 5s then shoots.. 13.26.02 # no, it looks like only the first one shoots 13.26.45 # yeah, only the first one after a hurry gets shot 13.27.14 # thats very odd... i didnt change any logic code.. :( 13.27.24 # here even the first one doesn't get shot 13.28.27 # and in my version before your changes everything works as it's supposed to 13.30.30 # Before I go to sleep I should mention I couldn't play solitaire either. Can't pick cards up or examine the deck. 13.30.51 # i havnt touched solataire... so you shoosh :D 13.30.57 # jhMikeS: when did you last play Solitaire? 13.31.09 # doing it now 13.31.11 # pixelma: ok, i must have been dreaming... its not shooting the button now 13.31.24 Join Torchwood13 [0] (n=Torchwoo@88-105-73-35.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 13.31.36 # I made some button changes a few weeks before so that drawing cards and so on aren't button combos anymore 13.31.52 # hello all 13.32.16 # jhMikeS: I adapted to the manual by then 13.32.17 # pixelma: ok, i tinhk i might know whats happening... 13.32.27 Part Torchwood13 13.33.06 # jhMikeS: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1310008.1.15 13.34.40 # pixelma: I can't do much of anything on x5 to play it :(. That's not working now on my player. 13.35.06 # ok, yeah, i had the wrong action for no button... 13.36.16 # should it stop shooting automattically after the 2nd one? 13.37.06 # jhMikeS: then I don't know what's happening. My changes worked... confirmed by amiconn on his X5 13.37.34 # JdGordon: no I don't think so 13.38.21 # ok, ill investigate this prperly tomiirw.. im heading out now 13.38.25 # U/D/L/R works and somehow I giggled it around and got the deck to draw. 13.39.56 Join _ke [0] (n=dgsiegel@e181080214.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.40.12 # <_ke> hi 13.40.47 # jhMikeS: did you try the short and long presses? (sorry for the stupid question) 13.41.52 # _ke: hi 13.41.57 # yes, trying everything. you have to be pretty fast on play to draw on the deck or it doesn't draw cards. 13.42.26 # <_ke> does anybody knows how to enable the modded firmware from pjulius (those for his themes).. i got "failed codec" 13.43.11 # We don't support modede firmwares 13.43.58 # <_ke> DOWNLOAD jBlackGlass, but please note you'll need my latest rockbox prebuild binnary! (look for rockbox-jbuild-YYYYMMDD-$yourdevice$.tar.gz) (on: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g) 13.44.14 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 13.45.10 # jhMikeS: hmm... yes. I think it is because "hold play" has a different function. Blame amiconn it was his idea ;) 13.46.20 # hrm...:) 13.48.21 # I can't select cards and drop them. Seems to be the only thing not right. 13.51.47 # what do you mean? 13.53.01 # all this is weird, I monkeyed around and now it's selecting and dropping cards when it wasn't before. it sort of woke up. :\ 13.53.35 # that sound weird indeed 13.54.08 # jhMikeS: Solitaire works on a charm for me on X5 13.54.10 # There's no rectange to show the card is selected anymore. that's a bit confusing 13.54.35 # There is 13.55.27 # Where? I select the card and move away from it and it looks the same. 13.55.30 # in the sim the rectangle doesn't look right too 13.56.06 # last time I checked it was blue - and I guess that it has to do with the backdrop implementation 13.56.16 # There is a blkue rectangle that turns orange when inverted 13.56.18 # I know it's selected cause I have to hit play twice to go to the next card in the deck 13.56.18 # (now it is white in my cas) 13.56.32 # *case 13.56.40 # Maybe kkurbjun broke it with his backdrop change 13.56.54 # It's fine here (didn't replace plugins yet) 13.57.10 # I'll check sans backdrop 13.57.20 # I have it running _with_ backdrop 13.57.21 Nick dan_a_away is now known as dan_a (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 13.57.28 Quit ShiftPlusOne () 13.57.51 # jhMikeS: what foreground/background colours are you using (maybe it has something to do with it)? 13.57.54 # The core is new, so the plugin loader doesn't remove the backdrop, and old plugins never removed backdrops, so I have solitaire on my main backdrop 13.58.47 # I really don't see _any_ indicator of the selection...none. But I can select and move the card. 13.59.25 # * amiconn blames kkurbjun 13.59.56 # It was replaced in a full rebuild 14.00.13 # I wonder whether certain devs test changes at all :( 14.00.28 # lol 14.00.34 # ? 14.00.56 # testing changes and all...funny. I wonder too at times. 14.01.09 # * amiconn cannot see the fun in it 14.01.14 # It's rather annoying 14.01.17 # dan_a: Hi! 14.01.24 # * jhMikeS is rather macabre 14.01.57 # dan_a:main rockbox function seems not to start at all 14.01.58 # I beat the crap out of any changes I make before doing anything 14.02.33 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-14-248.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.02.43 Join Wett [0] (n=Wett@d01m-195-36-140-162.d4.club-internet.fr) 14.02.48 # Gnelik: Then I would suspect something in firmware/target/arm/crt0-pp.S is at fault 14.03.35 # * jhMikeS wonders why peakmeters are so much faster on a debug build 14.03.51 # jhMikeS: Btw, had to fix some minor bugs in my bmp loader. 16 bit rgb565 didn't work at all... 14.04.05 # Now it does, and size didn't increase except on arm 14.04.11 # Gnelik: That has a lot of code that gets compiled in a normal build which doesn't in a bootloader build 14.04.24 # amiconn: that's the most important one! 14.04.36 # ? 14.04.48 # iiow the one I use :) 14.04.48 # I mean 16bit rgb _bmp_, i.e. source format 14.05.05 # oh, ne'er mind 14.05.08 # 16bit xrgb1555 did work 14.05.21 # I got the masks wrong, and the mmask reading as well... 14.06.08 # how bout adding blur, sharpening, embossing and other effects? :P 14.06.11 # jhMikeS: Btw, for 16bit bmp to 16bit lcd, I disable dithering unconditionally. I think dithering would be counter-productive here 14.06.17 # dan_a: it is to hard for me to understand what is writen there 14.06.40 # Gnelik: It is in ARM assembler 14.06.42 # I think so too 14.07.39 # Next step will be remote support, then transparency support for 2 bit targets 14.07.43 # won't get much good out of dithering 565->555 but who needs that anyway? 14.08.11 # backdrops on mono remotes? 14.08.19 # No, but on 2 bit remote 14.08.20 # Gnelik: I'll have a look and see if I can get it so that it will run main() 14.09.08 # dan_a: I puted code from bootloader to main_app method of main.c 14.09.30 # lcd_init_device etc. 14.09.32 # I'd like to see some alpha channel support starting with the USB logos so the edges can be perfect on color target 14.10.26 Quit thegeek (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.11.24 # but I know you think those thing are insane ;) but of course you didn't like the whole dithering thing at first either 14.12.44 # These 2 things are fundamentally different. Dithering happens at load time. Alpha would be while drawing 14.13.07 # If you want to bog down gfx even more, introduce (true) alpha. I won't 14.13.11 # yes, of course= 14.13.32 # what's true alpha? a four bit channel might be enough 14.13.34 # Imho 1 bit transparency is fully sufficient 14.13.39 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 14.14.39 # * JdGordon back 14.14.42 # For 2 bit targets, transparency will need a mask bitmap. That's in fact already prepared a bit 14.15.20 # I'm not yet sure how to integrate this into the bitmap build system 14.15.30 # it's not like you have a lot of color to reserve there 14.15.47 # make the mask part of the format in two planes? 14.16.19 # No. I want to keep the ability to use all 4 levels for the image, independent of transparency 14.16.26 # yes 14.16.54 # one plane has the image the other the mask 14.17.02 # ? 14.17.13 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.17.27 # The image is a native (2bit image), the mask will be an 1bit image 14.17.41 # yup, the 1bit image follows the 2-bit image 14.17.43 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.137.107) 14.18.12 # struct bitmap already contains the necessary 2nd pointer 14.18.26 # The mask can be generated by bmp2rb (or the bmp loader), using the same convention as for colour 14.18.42 # ...i.e. pure magenta will define pixels as transparent 14.19.55 Quit GreyFoux (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.20.24 # but you can keep them in one image array rather than two. start with a bitmap with four gray shades and a magenta background and read that in in a single file 14.21.51 # If the 2nd pointer exists, then the mask is applied, else it's solid 14.22.26 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.23.04 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 14.23.13 # * jhMikeS think images might need tiny info headers for use by the bitmap apis 14.29.40 # maybe then bitmap function won't need size info passed in every call. would save stack pushes. 14.29.56 # anyone know the bubbles code well? 14.30.26 # Gnelik: I'm looking at crt0-pp.S now to see why it doesn't boot. 14.31.09 Part Wett 14.31.13 Join Wett [0] (n=Wett@d01m-195-36-140-162.d4.club-internet.fr) 14.32.59 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.245.195) 14.33.58 # JdGordon: where's the author? 14.34.12 # i dunno 14.34.45 # * amiconn wonders whether there'll be a target with a colour remote =:) 14.34.55 # If I weren't so tired and ready to sleep I'd learn it real quick 14.34.56 # doesnt the x5 have? 14.35.06 # author is Adam Boot /rotator IIRC 14.35.19 # amiconn: I'm waiting myself...if I don't see one I'll make my own. 14.35.24 # gtg 14.35.40 # pixelma: bye 14.35.41 # pixelma: wanna test my fix before going? 14.36.05 # JdGordon: sorry no time - I'm really in a hurry now 14.36.09 # ok 14.36.16 # i think it really works this time :p 14.36.25 Part pixelma 14.36.42 # jhMikeS: I think we won't see one soon. 14.37.12 # <_ke> if i am in the tag cache, how can i exit to the main-screen? (ipod g5) 14.37.18 # Colour needs much more data transfer to the remote. Serial would be possible, but the image changes will take ages 14.38.13 # ...and a parallel connection would be a big problem for a remote 14.38.23 # _ke: play 14.39.33 # Perhaps it would work with a dedicated serial transmitter 14.39.57 # But the wires would need really good shielding 14.40.20 # <_ke> JdGordon, just figured it out ;) and from the mainmenu? 14.40.32 # <_ke> ah menu 14.40.33 # menu and left untill you get back 14.40.34 # main screen? 14.40.45 # * JdGordon thinks he means wps which isnt the main screen.. 14.40.59 # they should have always used a shielded coax cable 14.41.23 # Yeah, ticking remotes are annoying 14.41.47 # However, on iriver, most of the ticking is produced in the main unit 14.43.00 # amiconn: one thing I want to ask is, when you write bitbanging drivers, to get the delays right is it basically a matter of adding up the instruction execution times in the loop or does it take some experimenting to get it right? 14.43.03 # I only have one H100 remote. It ticks when connected to the H140, but not when connected to the H340 (that is, the silencing of /CS is required for the latter) 14.43.37 # jhMikeS: It's not only the execution times. It also depends on the waitstates for the port 14.43.47 # GPIO has quite a lot of wait states 14.43.51 # dan_a:any ideas 14.43.51 # ??? 14.44.25 # that info is in the datasheet I take it? 14.44.47 # Also, keep in mind that writes are buffered, but another write in the 2 cpu cycles after a write will stall the pipeline 14.44.48 # Gnelik: I can't see anything obvious, so I'm going to go through turning off the scrollwheel LED at different points until I find where it hangs 14.44.54 # jhMikeS: Not for GPIO 14.45.30 # My experiments have shown that a plain write to GPIO takes 12 (cpu) cycles, and an atomic read-modify-write takes 25 cycles 14.46.45 # what instruction performs does the atomic rmw? 14.47.34 # and.l / or.l / eor.l with a memory operand as destination 14.47.48 # k 14.48.27 # Only these instructions make it possible to modify ports without disabling interrupts 14.48.44 # ...as port bits are manipulated from various places 14.50.57 # I'm asking because I want to figure out how to read the ds2411. LinusN liked the idea. 14.52.05 # \o/ managed to play a normal mpg file, demultiplexing it and playing the video stream only 14.52.11 # ds2411? 14.52.14 # The datasheet indicates certain timing ranges and I'd probably just boost the CPU to keep the delaying simplistic. 14.52.21 # The serial number chip 14.52.39 # on x5 14.52.59 # * amiconn wonders what that chip might be good for 14.53.18 # jhMikeS: Don't boost the cpu in the driver 14.53.26 Nick JoeBorn is now known as CashMoney (n=rootmeis@220.160.116.231) 14.53.35 # Boosting for very short times is bad 14.54.08 # If I can pool enough resources and decode the SN it might allow for auto configuration of the battery and other things. 14.54.49 # It's bad how? 14.55.04 Nick CashMoney is now known as JoeBorn (n=rootmeis@220.160.116.231) 14.55.19 # Boosting takes several milliseconds (up to 10) until the pll relocks and the cpui is actually running at the new frequency 14.55.36 # I'd probably read it an cache it just once. It's 8 bytes and can be save for later use 14.55.46 # During the relock time, it's running at 11MHz 14.56.04 # Why not adjust the driver to the varying cpu clok? 14.56.11 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.56.15 # That's what we do in numerous other places 14.56.25 # I know there's a delay and the PLL is bypassed but as I said, one read. 14.56.42 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 14.57.06 # Probably would take more bytes of code to do it than to just save the number once and never read the chip again. 14.57.42 # How would that serial number allow for auto-configuration, btw? 14.58.27 # Don't know yet. Would have to have people report their's and what they have and see if a pattern exits that indicates a model 14.59.15 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 14.59.22 # <_ke> hey guys, i wanted to thank you! rockbox is REALLY a cool thing, and the best: it simply works 14.59.42 # Would just add it to the debug screen at first under an existing screen so people can view it easily 15.01.37 # of course we could make them use retailos and read it from there 15.01.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.03.17 # dan_a: Have you any progress 15.04.19 # Gnelik: Nothing yet. I'll tell you when I find something. 15.04.59 # dan_a: Ok. I'l not worie you 15.08.54 Quit amsys (Remote closed the connection) 15.09.26 Join amsys [0] (n=uruz@home.amsys.cz) 15.09.49 # GPIO22; it's already in the CPU port pin assignments page 15.10.00 Join theblatte [0] (n=theblatt@bob75-7-88-160-7-69.fbx.proxad.net) 15.10.17 # This 1-wire protocol is strange... 15.10.29 # They should have used i2c imho 15.10.44 # lo everybody 15.10.54 # yes, I know. would want to emphasize tiny for that. 15.11.36 # but they didn't so just gotta bit bang it. seems simple enough. 15.12.09 # YOu need to switch between in & out, and the line has a pullup 15.12.20 # just have to issue insruction 0x33 15.12.26 # yes 15.13.25 # So I'd keep GPIO_OUT bit 22 0 all the time, and only switch GPIO_ENABLE 15.14.07 # Very similar to i2c in fact, just that it depends on timing istead of a clock line 15.17.10 Join microw [0] (i=microw@218.18.132.178) 15.17.18 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.17.57 Part microw 15.19.28 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-18-38-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 15.19.41 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.22.17 # that's why I don't wanna deal with variable cpu speed. could read it once during a period when the cpu is already guaranteed boosted 15.28.37 # of course no interrupts either to mess it up 15.29.17 # Hmm, seems that backdrop bug isn't reported on flyspray 15.30.11 # Ok, committed 15.31.28 # new bmp loader? will check it out. 15.33.33 # Hope it doesn't break on colour arm targets. 15.34.02 # so I'll see my 24-bit backdrop dithered to 565? 15.34.06 # It shouldn't as the loader part is the same for all targets now (everything is converted to XRGB8888 first) 15.34.09 # yes 15.34.24 Quit Gnelik ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.35.13 # alpha channel? 15.35.32 # ? 15.35.57 # what's the extra 8 for? just unused atm? 15.36.20 # Unused, as defined by 32 bit BMP 15.36.45 # The new loader doesn't use more ram than the old one 15.37.02 # how is the backdrop allocated and when? 15.37.08 # We need to reserved LCD_WIDTH*4 bytes anyway for a line buffer, because of 32 bit bmp 15.37.20 # These buffers are on stack 15.37.48 # The line makes sense on the stack but where and how is the bitmap stored? 15.37.49 # The backdrop buffer is static afaik. Native format of course 15.38.13 # hi there, i'm trying to install the rockbox bootloader on my h320 (purchased yesterday :p), but it's a US one, and i keep upgrading to the patched firmware with no result :/ 15.38.18 # It could use buffer_alloc but would have to use audio_get_buffer first 15.38.22 # That's outside of the loader. The loader just gets passed a pointer to a buffer and the maximum size 15.38.37 # well, there is one result: it now says "Can't Found DRM key" on bootup 15.38.49 # jhMikeS: Why? 15.39.06 # if no backdrop, no buffer. use it for audio 15.39.13 # Either you reserve it all the time, then a static buffer is easier 15.39.32 # Or you reserve it only when there is a backdrop - but then loading a backdrop would stop playback 15.39.47 # true, but it's pretty easy and reliable to use memory now 15.40.02 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 15.40.24 # it's the playback stopping that I don't like but would only happen one time. then the buffer can be used over and over. 15.40.45 # gtg 15.40.57 # later...I'm going to bed 15.41.05 # theblatte, do you have rockbox (as well as the bootloader) installed? with only the bootloader, it just starts stock firmware. 15.41.17 # wehn: yes i installed rockbox too 15.41.42 # with only the bootloader, it also just starts stock firmware 15.41.54 # so both the bootloader and rockbox have to be installed correctly 15.42.02 # after compiling cvs, i did make fullzip and then cd /mnt/iriver && unzip 15.42.49 # and now you have a.rockbox directory and iriver.rockbox? (i think it's called) 15.43.21 # hum, just in case i'm wrong, i'm not supposed to see anything new if only the bootloader is installed? 15.43.25 # wehn: yes 15.44.13 # i thought the new bootloader was supposed to write something e.g. rockbox before booting even stock firmware 15.44.23 # theblatte, yep. with only the bootloader you probably won't see any difference, appart from the bootloader usb mode (which doesn't work yet IIRC) 15.44.34 # ok 15.44.55 # * theblatte checks whether rockbox is correctly installed or not 15.45.32 # i do have a .rockbox directory at the root of the iriver 15.46.12 # and the iriver.rockbox there, or in root? 15.46.26 # in root 15.46.27 # six of one, half dozen of the other. 15.47.15 # so with the player off, try plugging in a usb cable. it should fireup and say something about usb bootlo0ader mode in a small font 15.47.37 # k 15.47.42 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE3AA.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.48.15 # (thats just to test if it was flashed correctly with rb bootloader) 15.48.22 # wehn: nope, it just says "connected data" with the usual picture 15.49.00 # sounds like you need to try repatching the firmware with the rockbox bootloader, then flashing again. 15.49.08 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.49.18 # well, the firmware in / is already the patched one 15.49.25 # i checked the md5 15.49.53 # but if it was, i think it wouldn't use the iriver firmware in response to plugging in a usb cable when off 15.50.00 # i saw on the forum that sometimes you need to flash twice to make it effective, but now it's something like my 5th try :) 15.50.01 # ? 15.50.40 # i agree, i don't think the bootloader is properly installed 15.50.53 # sure the patched firmware has the filename the iriver flasher expects? maybe it's just reflashing the base, rather that patched firmware 15.51.15 # hum, it's h300.hex, as said in the manual 15.53.07 # hmm, tricky. don't know of any particular other issues you may have run into... 15.53.07 Quit Kitt0s ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 15.53.25 # okay :/ 15.53.34 # * theblatte retries the firmware upgrade 15.54.11 # wehn: on the rockbox forum, there's a topic in which a guy explains he had to flash the firmware twice to make the upgrade effective 15.54.30 # i guess you may try a fresh from virgin firmware, patch (use the exe patcher), compare md5s. delete virgin fw file, and patch new fw. 15.54.54 # dumb question: you have performed the firmware upgrade from inside the iriver firmware? 15.55.09 # i.e flash 15.55.35 # hum, i did "firmware upgrade" in the iriver menu 15.56.52 # (not a suggestion, just a question) can you use international firmware on a american h300? 15.57.17 # wehn: i've got the same question :) 15.57.29 # on the iriver website, they say you can't though 15.57.38 # you can, but you lose the ability to play protected WMA 15.57.44 # i've got an intertnational one. 15.57.52 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 15.58.19 # hum, maybe i'll try to patch with a international firmware then 15.58.25 # * wehn has never seen a protected WMA in the wild 15.58.35 # as i really don't care about protected wma ;) 15.59.24 # Litle question, can't we port png and jpg libs to rockbox 15.59.44 # and allow their using all ower firmware 15.59.45 # ? 16.00.13 # theblatte: your H300 is american? 16.00.14 # we can 16.00.57 # but? 16.01.13 # spug: yes 16.01.51 # iriver.com says "-. Device purchased in the US is NOT compatible with this firmware."... 16.02.10 # that's just their official stance 16.02.16 # you can use any firmware on it 16.02.17 # k 16.02.35 # but you'll lose the ability to play protected WMA files 16.02.35 # forever 16.02.40 Quit NickDe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.03.03 # let's go for the 1.29 then 16.03.20 # there should be no problems with patching the american firmware with the rockbox bootloader, so i'm not sure if you'll have more luck with the international firmware ... but go ahead and try if you don't need DRM support 16.03.31 # a lot of people on Mystic River swear by the Korean firmware. 16.03.38 # spug: i think i've already lost it anyway: since my first trying to upgrade the firmware, the box prompts "can't found drm key" at bootup 16.03.47 # ah 16.03.49 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.232.64) 16.03.49 # okay 16.04.11 # i'm trying the korean one right now 16.04.41 Quit SUSaiyan (Connection reset by peer) 16.05.15 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=susaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 16.05.50 # done patching, md5 ok 16.06.02 # Another question what fo do you put bmp's into code? 16.09.01 # Gnelik: I think that if we put jpg and png libs in, it would increase the size of the core, which would take away RAM that we use for buffering files (to use the HD as little as possible - so saving battery) 16.09.34 # hum, firmware upgrade worked! 16.09.45 # it now says version is 1.29k 16.09.46 # There are some bmp's in the code so that they can be displayed even when we can't talk to the disk 16.09.53 # but still no rockbox... 16.10.14 # urgh, the menu are in korean now 16.10.22 # ok, well after doing any firmware upgrade you need to reinstall the bootloader, do you not on Iriver? 16.11.25 # that already was the patched firmware, so the bootloader is inculded, right? 16.13.13 # included* 16.13.23 # dan_a:sansa question: does it execute main method or no? 16.14.49 # Very last 16.14.54 # Gnelik: It isn't. It's obviously getting stuck in crt0-pp.S, but I can't find where 16.15.04 Quit _ke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.15.05 Quit mirak (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.15.30 # huh, I'm not so stupid that i think. 16.16.28 # dan_a: but in BOOTLOADER mode it does, so we need to find thing that it does there 16.16.49 # That's right. 16.20.04 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-41.net-81-220-108.rev.numericable.fr) 16.20.46 # bl main 16.20.53 # it seem to run main 16.21.00 # actually, i used the intructions from the wiki (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot), is it allright? 16.21.30 # Gnelik: It *should* run main, but for some reason it is not getting that far. 16.21.49 # and i'm running linux, so i went through the descramble/mkboot/scramble thing 16.30.33 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484996A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.30.55 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 16.31.06 Quit pagefault (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.31.13 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 16.34.01 Quit [g2] ("Leaving") 16.40.06 Join [g2] [0] (n=g2@nslu2-linux/g2) 16.47.46 Quit pagefault (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.47.53 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@p54B7DDBE.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.51.28 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 16.51.32 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 16.54.30 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 16.54.47 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 16.57.34 Join jborn_ [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 16.57.34 Quit wehn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.01.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.02.12 Join RogerBacon [0] (n=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645788.dsl.bell.ca) 17.06.19 Quit secleinteer (Excess Flood) 17.06.56 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.161.101) 17.09.16 Quit secleinteer (Excess Flood) 17.09.54 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.161.101) 17.10.43 # OK, I'm confused. On the Sansa, trying to make a normal Rockbox build the boot process fails in crt0-pp.S - it dies trying to do "b pad_skip" 17.11.16 Quit secleinteer (Excess Flood) 17.11.53 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.161.101) 17.13.27 Quit jborn__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.17.04 Quit theblatte ("leaving") 17.17.13 Join |Rincewind|^afk [0] (i=uoP1W69y@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.18.46 Nick |Rincewind|^afk is now known as |Rincewind| (i=uoP1W69y@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.23.27 # dan_a:Maybe 17.23.35 # Chip cpecific? 17.24.28 # It shouldn't be - it's just a branch, which shouldn't be complicated at all! 17.25.11 # but it is 17.26.45 # Oh, wait - there's a load of rubbish being added into the code 17.28.20 # In crt0-pp? 17.29.13 # In the compiled binary, there's things that shouldn't be there. 17.29.43 # Maybe we didn't defined something? 17.30.14 # No, it's not that. It's to do with making the MI4 file 17.32.18 # mi4code bug? 17.32.45 # Gnelik: In crt0-pp, where it says ".space 50*4", change that to ".space 100*4" 17.33.02 # thats all? 17.34.03 # That's not the right way to fix it, but it gets things a bit further along 17.34.25 # maybe make a ¹øàâóà, 17.34.31 # #ifdef 17.34.33 # ? 17.34.49 # I think so 17.36.20 # Wow 17.36.31 # I had a ellow screen 17.36.35 # :) 17.37.14 # :) I've got a white screen at the moment - I still don't think it's getting to main() though 17.38.01 # Why then we have different colour? 17.38.18 # I aded a lot of different lcd code in main method 17.38.46 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 17.39.03 # I've changed main too - to make it do a lot less. 17.41.33 # It's being very strange - it might be getting to main, I'm not sure yet. I'm just doing some more tests. 17.41.58 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.42.06 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.49.17 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 17.52.08 Quit Psiuyo (Client Quit) 17.52.22 # post your progress in e200 thread, gona go now 17.52.41 Join Psiuyo [0] (n=me@S0106000f66cdc7db.cg.shawcable.net) 17.52.49 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 17.53.06 Quit Gnelik ("Miranda IM! 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I'm taking a bit of a break at the moment. 19.56.17 # We cant draw to lcd now? 19.56.55 # it doesn't look like it. 19.57.28 # and sroll backlight isnt working to 19.57.52 # we can turn that on and off in main() 19.58.23 # Greate, then we can begin debuging 19.59.56 # dan_a: cant we just init lcd befour all, like we do in bootloader 20.00.04 # and use it for debuging 20.00.10 # you can try that 20.00.12 Quit TerrorByte ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.00.12 Quit GreyFoux ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") 20.00.44 # dan_a:I'l do it but tomorow 20.00.56 # cool :) 20.01.01 # its 22:00 at my place now 20.01.32 # bye 20.01.37 # See you later 20.01.42 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.13.14 Quit n1s ("Leaving.") 20.13.41 Part j1mc ("Leaving") 20.14.43 Quit obo ("bye") 20.17.07 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 20.27.54 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 20.29.16 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 20.32.39 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 20.33.03 # I updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus to reflect the fact that pp5020 iPods are not stable, but am lacking in details if someone has anything to add... 20.35.12 Quit Ribs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.40.12 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=spader@adsl-144-237-235.mia.bellsouth.net) 20.40.27 # is it possible to have more then one IDv3 tag in a file? 20.41.52 # I've seen more than one tag in a file before. It is not proper. 20.43.03 # will rockbox read them? ie, i have audio books split into chapters, if i combinde the file into one, it keeps all the id tags, so will rockbox read and display each one, or only the first 20.44.12 # that I don't know. A proper mp3 joiner should strip the metadata when doing that anyways. 20.44.36 # i use terminal, so it just combinds the files ;-) not very proper ;-) 20.44.41 # since the ID3v1 tag is at the front and the ID3v2 tag is at the end (or do I have that reversed). 20.45.09 # That's reversed, yes 20.45.20 # (v2 can be at the end, but it's rarely done) 20.45.40 # hrm, i'll just see for myself ;-) 20.45.43 Part Terinjokes 20.46.20 Quit rigel (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.48.40 # You can also have a v2 both at the start and end of the file, but that's just looking for trouble 20.49.47 Quit Wett (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.54.25 Quit anathema () 20.56.53 Join yipe [0] (n=yipe@12-218-163-227.client.mchsi.com) 20.57.43 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 20.57.50 # is the daily build what your average user should be using, or are there more stable releases somewhere? it seems like yesterday's build is totally unstable, I can't listen to music for more than five minutes without it freezing up 21.02.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.03.27 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Remote closed the connection) 21.04.14 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.08.13 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 21.08.52 # yipe: the daily build is the most stable for non-Archos players 21.09.36 # however, they still might be unstable, like you experienced with yesterday's build, because bugs might be introduced every day, and fixed every day 21.10.51 # what device yipe? 21.12.05 # ipod 21.12.12 # which generation?> 21.12.15 # video 21.12.38 # really? Total freeze on music playback? What type of audio files? 21.12.46 # mp3 21.13.29 # the playlist keeps playing, but I can no longer affect anything, I can't change the music or look through menus or turn up the volume or any of that 21.13.37 # Try a different daily build. I've never had a freeze during playback on my 5th generation. 21.13.53 # and you are sure the hold button isn't (partially) on? 21.13.54 # the only thing that works is the hard reset from holing menu and select 21.13.59 # positive 21.14.27 # oh, the backlight will come on as well, if I press something, the blacklight comes on, but nothing else happens 21.15.07 # So if you press menu twice nothing happens after the backlight comes on the first time you press menu? 21.16.38 # yeah 21.17.31 # I'm putting today's build on it 21.17.53 # it seems lately like the builds have been a bit worse everyday, for the past week or so 21.18.46 # http://webcast.berkeley.edu/courses/archive.php?seriesid=1906978333 21.18.53 # those are the files I'm trying to listen to 21.21.21 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 21.22.57 Quit pagefault (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.27.03 Join Martian67_ [0] (n=Martian6@S0106001839504413.ed.shawcable.net) 21.27.21 # any idea how to fix a rovckbox reboot loop on an ipod? 21.29.18 # it fails to load rockbox 21.29.26 # and then trys to load apple firmware 21.29.34 # ad nasuem 21.29.53 # is anyone at all awake? 21.30.34 # I had that problem once 21.30.43 # what did you do? 21.31.40 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54932A19.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.32.09 # yipe? 21.32.11 # basically what had happened to me was that I totally borked the install, my solution was to use apple's itunes to restore my ipod to it's original state, then reinstall rockbox 21.32.39 # Martian67_, I'm disabled, and can't type very fast, please be patient with me 21.32.39 # but my ipod wont go into usb mode 21.32.49 Join Strogg [0] (n=user@205.150.199.219) 21.33.16 # because it dosent get past the rockbox bootloader 21.33.32 # oh, did you try plugging in the USB cable, and then holding menu and the center button, until it reboots? it should at that point reboot into the disk mode 21.33.56 # ah 21.33.58 # thnx 21.33.58 # or you could hold play and center, and that should force disk mode 21.34.05 # during the reboot 21.34.18 # stick around and tell me if it works 21.34.23 # yep 21.34.31 # i have the orginal firmware image already 21.34.41 # thanks a ton for that combo yipe 21.34.59 # is it working now? 21.35.14 # no 21.35.17 # but i got it into disk mode 21.35.21 # i can fix it now :) 21.35.22 # oh good 21.35.30 # i was scared that wouldnt be possible :( 21.35.41 # and it would keep rebooting forever :P 21.35.42 # those are two I use a lot, center + menu to reboot, and center + play to get disk mode 21.35.49 # I was worried when it happened too 21.36.12 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965C33.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.36.23 # all is well now :) 21.36.27 # hey soap, I loaded the newest daily build, and I froze up again 21.36.36 # Martian67_, I'm glad ت 21.36.43 # whoa 21.36.45 # what is that 21.36.47 # the podcasts from my school seem to be giving me a problem 21.36.55 # ت 21.37.02 # thats messing up my xchat 21.37.17 # oh, that's the yipe-ological symbol of happiness 21.37.47 # it's arabic, two dots over a curve, in other words a smiley face 21.37.57 # it makes a soft t in arabic 21.38.15 Quit Criamos (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.39 # i only see one :/ 21.38.55 # Can you compile a plugin by itself and copy it over to your player or do you have to build an entire firmware image? 21.38.55 # xchat sucks at unicodee 21.39.46 # which linux are you using? I use ubuntu which uses UTF-8 for everything as far as I know 21.39.53 # i dont :) 21.40.03 # i use slackware >_> 21.40.23 # I know I have a friend who uses slackware, and he has to change over to UTF-8 as soon as he installs 21.41.18 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 21.41.42 # yipe: how do i get out of diskmode? 21.41.50 # I like ubuntu because I work with several languages, and it just makes everything much easier for me to use a linux that expects that as a default, as opposed to having to teach linux to think in other languages before I can do anything 21.42.06 # center + menu to reboot again, after you've unmounted of course 21.42.13 # no dice 21.42.24 # nm 21.42.26 # did you remove the cable? 21.42.44 # haha 21.42.48 # rockbox works :) 21.42.53 # yay! 21.44.12 # its really not so great however :( 21.44.16 # how do i play muzak 21.44.50 # have you never used rockbox before? 21.45.01 # nope 21.45.11 # use the center button and the wheel to look through the menus, find your music, and hit center or play 21.45.25 # all i have is 21.45.29 # Calendars 21.45.31 # Contacts 21.45.33 # Notes 21.45.35 # Rockbox 21.45.52 # okay, you have to load your music onto your rockbox 21.46.09 # i have music on there 21.46.17 # reconnect the cable, and just click and drag your music from your hard drive, to the ipod 21.46.33 # the music loaded with the ipod software isn't accessible with rockbox 21.47.01 # well... it is, but not in a useful way, apple's firmware renames all the files with names like "ddf7djhy3" 21.47.18 Join EnterUserName [0] (n=dave@pdpc/supporter/student/GeekZoid) 21.47.19 # yes but im not even getting that :/ 21.47.19 # ironically enough, that's exactly why I installed rockbox 21.47.41 # load it again! 21.48.04 # Strogg, it's getting difficult for me to type, can you help him? 21.48.06 # ah i see 21.48.14 # yipe: got it 21.48.18 # does it support folders? 21.48.25 # Martian67_: yeah 21.48.47 # Martian67_: you can treat it like a usb disk now and just drag over whatever you want 21.48.56 # cool 21.49.03 # then you want to play music.. just navigate to that directory and select a song.. 21.49.17 # much more logical than shitty intunes db 21.49.20 # *itunes 21.49.29 # i heard rockbox has issues with using alot of batery 21.49.30 # much more free 21.49.30 # true? 21.49.50 # I wouldn't say alot more. I still get decent battery life 21.50.02 # the apple firmware will have better batterylife though 21.50.20 # they don't want to tell anyone their code-fu that they used to get the good battery life out of the hardware 21.50.26 # how much "better"? 21.50.40 # b/c i have 5.5g 21.50.44 # i cant switch between the 2 :( 21.50.59 # ohh.. hrm I have an ipod disk version.. 30g 21.51.34 # still.. I plug in my ipod every other day I guess.. 21.51.58 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.52.04 # the only thing that really eats the crap out of the battery is playing games. hehe 21.52.25 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF62D2.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.53.54 # heh 21.53.54 # :) 21.54.05 # I disagree actually 21.54.24 # I get battery life that's shorter by an hour or two actually 21.54.24 # hrmmm about? 21.55.01 # when I switched to rockbox I also had to start taking my USB cable to school, so I could recharge during free time 21.55.06 # does rockbox support ipod remotes? 21.55.49 # yipe: rough estimate.. I'd say I get hrmmm 4-5 hours battery life 21.56.00 # hard to estimate.. maybe as much as 6-8 21.56.01 Join manisavirus [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.56.06 # that's about what I would say 21.56.24 # nope no remote support :'( 21.56.52 # it fits in your pocket.. what use is a remote? 21.57.06 # holy jeusus it makes the ipod ALOT louder 21.57.48 # * Strogg updates his firmware 21.57.51 # Strogg: i was just wondering :( 21.58.50 # more important then it fitting in your pocket, you can't use it unless you're connected to it with a short length of wire, it's impossible to get away from it 21.59.59 # why would you need a remote or waldo to control something that's already always within a few feet of you? 22.00.20 # I suppose you could plug it into your stereo.. 22.00.27 # .... you win :P 22.00.40 # but then.. that's what my computer is for. hehe 22.00.43 Join mrfatcatt [0] (i=mrfatcat@ool-457b75a6.dyn.optonline.net) 22.01.12 # guys i have installed rockbox on my iriver h340, its great but i want to see my album art when i play a song...what do i have to do to get it going??????? 22.01.42 # mrfatcatt: I think there are some unofficial builds in the forum with album art support 22.02.31 # or you can compile your own build with the patch included 22.02.41 # there's a compiling guide on the forums 22.02.57 # I've been working on compiling lately.. haven't had a lot of luck yet 22.03.36 # i dnt think i want to compile 22.04.14 # then you'll have to find an unofficial guide that includes the patch 22.04.22 # check out the unofficial builds section of the forums 22.04.34 # what device do you have? 22.06.42 # h340 iriver 22.07.15 # oh yeah, sorry, i missed it when you mentioned it up there 22.07.26 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 22.07.59 # mrfatcatt: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=38915 22.09.07 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 22.09.12 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.09.55 Quit RoC_MM (Client Quit) 22.10.24 # thanks 22.10.43 # Martian67_: despite what yipe told you, you can access all the songs iTunes put on your iPod. Read the manual about tagcache. 22.10.52 # of course you maybe need the extra and the fonts packages 22.10.55 # it is a database of songs based on their tags, works well. 22.10.59 # Soap: will latest build work on a 5.5? 22.11.01 # and a wps too 22.11.03 # oh that's right, I'm sorry 22.11.16 # or do i need to add 5.5 patches>? 22.11.25 # Martian67_: There is a thread in the forums:new ports section about the 5.5g. 22.14.12 # hehe so many builds 22.14.21 # i guess i goto the 6ths page to get the latest build 22.14.35 # how do i use plugins ? 22.14.41 # mrfatcatt: wrong 22.14.52 # New version will always be here 22.14.59 # click on that and you have it 22.15.38 # 2.9.35 is the newest 22.15.39 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 22.15.58 # oh nm 22.16.00 # good to know 22.16.48 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 22.17.35 Quit Siku () 22.21.49 # how do u run a .patch file? 22.22.26 # we simply dont run .patch files 22.22.45 # apply then 22.23.03 # patch -p0 < $filename 22.23.08 # sometimes p1 22.23.33 # where do i type that ..sorry im new at this 22.24.02 # is the build i gave you not good enough? 22.24.29 # i just installed it 22.25.03 # it already has all the patches that you need 22.25.17 # hrmmm weird.. the CVS is missing a couple directories that the daily tarball has 22.25.24 # patches are not for you, believe me 22.25.26 # no wonder I couldn't get it to build.. 22.26.09 # Strogg: really? 22.26.16 # I find that hard to believe 22.26.25 # what dirs? 22.26.30 # where my files dont show but the folders so, mabey i have to rebuild the tag cache 22.26.37 # Bagder: uisimulator 22.26.52 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484996A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.26.53 # then you checked out a module without the sim 22.27.11 # also bootloader, flash, gdb as well.. 22.27.16 # the same 22.27.27 # all those are in CVS 22.27.32 # no worries.. I just copied the cvs command from the wiki.. it's not my SCS of choice.. 22.27.38 # as the daily builds are built plainly from the CVS sources 22.28.46 # " cvs -z3 -d:pserver:username@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox", right? 22.29.07 # That gives you enough to build rockbox on target 22.29.08 # if you want the lot I think rockbox-devel is the module for you 22.29.10 # iirc 22.29.25 # Ahh.. ok. that would explain it 22.29.45 # I'm just trying to get familiar with it all.. eventually I want to write a viewer plugin 22.39.00 # i put in the lastest kosh build but cant see album art..anyone have any ideas? 22.40.11 # are you using a wps that supports album art? 22.40.40 # i ran icatcher theme 22.41.01 # installed rb-exp-2.9.35 22.41.07 # ran icatcher theme 22.41.41 # iCatcher-MisticBlc 22.42.19 # I'm trying to build a simulator version of the daily tarball, and I'm missing a file "rockboxlogo.h" that's included from apps/recorder/icons.h 22.42.19 # should it work 22.42.23 # mabey ill just reinstall 22.42.56 # You'll need to go have a look at wps gallery and choose one theme that supports album_art. You'll also need to create bitmap files of your album covers, rockbox doesn't support embedded album art à la iTunes. 22.42.59 # Strogg: which target? 22.43.07 # rasher: Ipod video 22.43.20 # Option #22, I believe. 22.43.34 # i used wmp for my album art 22.43.45 # so i beieleve theres invisable .bmp files for it 22.43.55 # Do they have the right name? 22.44.04 # (album.bmp I believe?) 22.44.35 # I think it's rather cover.bmp. 22.45.16 # Okay, I've only ever used it once, a long time ago 22.45.20 # I don't use mediaplayer so I can't say but I remember it creating .jpg ... dunno. 22.45.34 # hmm 22.45.45 # mabey if off 22.45.56 # my mp3 have this AlbumArt_{F2DAE1E4-0858-42AF-AFD3-C0FAF057B869}_Large.jpg 22.46.01 # for there art work 22.46.06 # right. 22.46.09 # That won't work at all 22.46.21 # well 22.46.29 # if u tag a amp3 in musicmatch or wmp 22.46.35 # it makes it a jpg 22.46.46 # you'll need a bmp 22.46.50 # so why read it as a bmp 22.46.51 # jpgs won't work, you need to convert them 22.46.55 # You need to make them bitmaps, using photoshop, irfanview, whatever.. And better make them smaller, like 128x128 pixels or something. 22.47.08 # bahh 22.47.12 # why 22.47.14 Quit rconan (Remote closed the connection) 22.47.20 # everything is jpeg 22.47.27 # Because we don't want a jpeg decoder in the core 22.47.29 # is there a plug in to read jpegs instead 22.47.35 # No 22.47.55 # It's not terribly hard to run a mass-converter and it saves Rockbox a mountain of trouble 22.47.58 # yeah but for comnpitablity everything is the other not bmp 22.47.58 # because jpegs are compressed and need to be decompressed. As Rockbox is a work-in-progress made from reverse-engineering all sorts of things, some optimisation NEEDS to be done before it could decode mp3 and jpegs all at the same time without a hiccup. 22.48.03 # im not trying to argue 22.48.08 # but it doesnt make any sense 22.48.14 # It makes perfect sense 22.48.15 # album art is 75*75 or 100*100 .bmp only 22.48.17 # Since it's a MUSIC player first, well the jpeg decoding is like postponed for ..well a long time. 22.48.20 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.48.21 # it makes sense to me 22.48.22 # Offload the hard work to the pc 22.48.34 # (decompressing and resizing) 22.48.45 # you want it resized anyway, so the format change doesn't really add anything 22.49.40 # so why doesnt wmp make there files bmp instead of jpeg 22.49.42 # There is a plugin that shows jpegs 22.49.56 # mrfatcatt: ask its authors 22.50.04 # bmps are uncompressed so there generally larger file size right 22.50.09 # mrfatcatt: Because wmp runs on a pc, and jpegs are handier since it's basically free anyway 22.50.11 # Because WMP doesn't run anymore on 75mhz machines but on pentium 3ghertz 22.50.19 # mrfatcatt: not much difference in 100x100 22.50.23 # Well, jpegs as _album_ art make some sense, as they're compressed 22.50.42 # However, what doesn't make sense at all is embedding "album" art in tags 22.50.56 # i see 22.51.04 # how does itunes do it then 22.51.14 # It does, and unless some zealot thinks it *should* not be part of rockbox, I don't see why it wouldn't be at one point... It's just not for tomorrow. (right?) 22.51.15 # with a jpeg as well or bmp 22.51.35 # amiconn: If I only keep a single song from an album, I'd rather have it embedded. For a full album, a jpeg in the same dir is preferred 22.51.35 # well, the album art is not even in rockbox yet 22.51.44 # mrfatcatt: Afaik itunes converts the file before putting it on the ipod 22.51.50 # amiconn: nope 22.52.03 # all i ulitmatly want is some sort of organization wherre i getting my info tags, art , and im able to view all the correct info in the media player and the iriver mp3 player 22.52.06 # it just gets renamed 22.52.08 # I can't tell for sure because I never touched itunes 22.52.22 # without converting everything differnt ways 22.52.55 # also now in vista 22.53.12 # the songs in the windows viewer is showing the albumn art too 22.53.14 # whihc is new 22.53.23 # and i havent quite figure out how thats working 22.53.29 # And this concerns Rockbox... how? 22.53.33 # thats the miracly 22.53.45 # only billyboy knows how it works 22.53.48 Quit rconan (Remote closed the connection) 22.53.49 # just a easy workable format, thats it 22.54.14 # so how would u recommend updateing 40 gigs of music 22.54.19 # mrfatcatt - I thought albumArt was the shnittz, particularly now that itunes offer the superb coverflow.. But I'll be damned if I ever look at the art on my Digital Audio Player, so I stopped caring for the small bitmaps. 22.54.19 # to bmp 22.54.52 # I would use "find" and "convert", but since you're on Windows, I have no idea. 22.54.59 # lol 22.55.02 # Except to install the windows versions of those tools. 22.55.05 # superb coverflow?? what do you mena 22.55.07 # mean 22.55.47 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.56.09 # how much more battery does album art suck anyway? 22.56.09 # bwaah, nothing important, just a new view in the latest itunes where you browse by covers.. 22.56.41 # spug - probably not much, it has to load the backdrop and the 20some images people use in the WPS, one more isn't a big deal I'd think. 22.57.14 # itunes tagging sucks 22.57.24 # u cant even pick the right tag in itunes 22.57.30 # I wish there was a way to turn your display off when the hold button is on. That'd rock. 22.57.32 # at least in music match u can look it up 22.57.37 # whihc is important 22.57.44 # because if u tagg old jazz records 22.57.48 # there are mutiable versions 22.58.00 # it doens really matter with newwer music but older music yes 22.58.11 # when there are revisions so i dont use itunes for that reason 22.58.38 # Strogg: can't you? 22.59.00 # in the display settings you can set the timeout for the display when the hold button is on 22.59.02 # * Strogg checks for a new option in the config menu 22.59.05 # i have it to "off" 22.59.18 # when i turn on hold, the display is turned off 22.59.30 # oooh nice. I just updated my firmware today.. that was on my wishlist for a while. hehe 22.59.40 # :) 22.59.40 # Strogg: Ipod Video sim builds fine for me 22.59.57 # From daily tarball 23.00.04 # PaulPosition, spug: It depends on when / how often album art is loaded 23.00.12 # rasher: hrmm wonder what I'm doing wrong.. 23.00.22 # spug: are talking about display or backlight? 23.00.38 # amiconn: so if i shuffle my entire music folder, it'll probably use a lot more than just listening to consecutive albums 23.00.46 # If it causes a spinup per track, it will suck quite some extra power, but if it is clever, you're playing albums and it loads only once per album it shouldn't be noticeable 23.00.53 # rockbox cant play doom, but not decode jpeg album art..how weird 23.01.00 # Strogg: hmm, backlight, but the two are the same on my device 23.01.04 # i guess not on all 23.01.15 # can play doom 23.01.25 # mrfatcatt: the two aren't related at all 23.01.46 # mrfatcatt: Not really, Doom was a port and is a plugin, albumart loading will be part of the core, so has some entirely different limits 23.01.47 # spug: yeah.. I have mine set the same way.. backlight turns off when the hold button is on 23.01.58 # mrfatcatt - can play doom. can decode jpegs. can'T decode jpegs on the fly while listening music without as much as a hiccup. SINCE IT IS A MUSIC PLAYER, music playing is priviledged. that all. 23.01.58 # rockbox can decode jpeg the same way it plays doom 23.02.04 # Strogg: aha :/ 23.02.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.02.05 # in a plugin 23.02.40 # mrfatcatt: There is one fundamental difference. Playing doom stops the music. Showing album art with stopping music wouldn't make sense 23.02.41 # spug: I suppose the LCD doesn't really use that much power without the backlight.. but.. hehe 23.03.01 # Strogg: yeah. everything that saves power is awesome ;) 23.03.25 # i see 23.03.36 # i like the the differnt points u guys make 23.03.44 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.04.55 # Besides, rockbox is mainly a music player firmware. Album art is just a gimmick imho 23.05.01 # this may sound weird, but we _have_ thought about a few things when rockbox turned out like this 23.05.45 # If someone comes up with a nice way to integrate album art handling, i.e. battery and memory saving, compact and flexible, why not? 23.06.00 # But there are way more important things to do 23.06.05 # yeah 23.06.13 # like saving the whales? 23.06.20 # mrfatcatt: you can perhaps write a patch if you want to 23.06.23 # * Strogg crosses fingers 23.06.43 # i just grew up on albums, where it was fun to check out the work and info 23.07.08 # also, im a jazz musicians so alot of the info(musicians, studio info) is embbed in old album work 23.07.09 # shure and just grew up with lps 23.07.12 # personally ect 23.07.19 # Well, you won't be checking out a lot on a 100x100 bitmap 23.07.28 # what do i now with the small album "art" pictures? 23.07.28 # true 23.07.37 # Bagder: weird. I found the problem... 23.07.44 # things is in wmp the art is invisabe 23.07.51 # Woo! successful build 23.07.54 # * Strogg does a dance. 23.07.58 # and is just copied over when u copy a full ablum folderr anyways 23.07.58 # Strogg: What was the problem? 23.08.17 # But when it comes to embedded album art: it's a waste. Storing the same cover 10 or more times as embedded jpeg probably takes even more space than storing it one time as small bmp 23.08.36 # ...with the embedded version harder to decode 23.08.52 # probably not 23.08.59 # rasher: Bagder: when I ./configure'd, when it prompted for my rootdir and I gave it, it put my $HOME in the Makefile as ROOTDIR... and when I make'd, the path to the tools directory was wrong.. 23.09.06 # because of course then every song gets an different cover art 23.09.21 # Strogg: It prompted you for your rootdir? That's something gone weird already 23.09.27 # blue_lizard: Then it's no longer album art 23.09.30 # It usually manages to find it automatically 23.09.38 # amiconn: it was an joke 23.09.38 # rasher: Bagder: it uses the tools to generate the .h file I imagine, which was missing kuz the tools directory wasn't there. 23.10.09 # yeah, because $HOME is not the root it wanted 23.10.18 # maybe we should improve the question 23.10.38 # oh I know. I put in my root dir.. /home/jean/rockbox/src/rockbox-daily 23.10.47 # Which reminds me.. 23.10.49 # Bagder: Btw, is there a more convenient way for cvs checkouts? 23.11.03 # Bagder: but for some reason deep in the Makefile, it ignored me and just used my $HOME instead. 23.11.12 # Bagder: Why is the rootdir guessing done as it is? Why not simply use the path of configure? 23.11.22 # I could dig into the Makefile and try and see.. but my Makefile syntax fu is rather weak.. 23.11.25 # Right now I checkout the dirs individually, because with the mdoule thing I get an extra directory I do not want 23.11.33 # *module 23.11.45 # Bagder: That is, rootdir=`dirname $0`../ 23.11.45 # rasher: it should be fixed, but once upon the time the script was written to allow tools/apps/firmware etc to be in separate places 23.12.07 # Ah 23.12.16 # amiconn: so checkout the dir/module first and then move the subdirs 23.12.26 # Furthermore I never know which module includes which dirs 23.12.29 # I find it weird to not have the sources in a dir 23.12.50 # amiconn: how about cvs -z3 -d:pserver:${USER}@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co -d "newcheckout" rockbox 23.12.52 # amiconn: so that's a documentation issue, I believe it is somewhere in the wiki 23.12.53 # Bagder: I _do_ have them in a dir, but with a name _I_ gave it 23.12.59 # amiconn: so name it 23.13.11 # with -d or just rename it after checkout 23.13.35 # Hey cvs experts.. Say I download sources, apply a few patches before getting lots of failed hunks on patch #7 and I want to go back, is there a function to retreive only what I changed (I use to delete and re-download the whole source but it sucks for mine and ROCKBOXs' bandwidth..) ?? 23.13.37 # * rasher has a "checkoutinto" script 23.13.44 # Anyway... I think it's a bug somewhere in the configure script.. (where is far beyond me).. 23.14.18 # rasher: "rockbox" doesn't include everything. Iirc it doesn't even include all necessary dirs for target builds (maybe it's fixed now, dunno) 23.14.23 # PaulPosition: you can undo any local changes by "diff -u file | patch -p0 -R" 23.14.24 # Strogg: I found it 23.14.34 # rasher: wicked! 23.14.34 # amiconn: then use rockbox-devel 23.14.44 # * Strogg buys rasher a beer and a pie 23.15.04 # yeah, but often times patch -r will give failed hunks too, leave a lot of rejects files behind and such so I presume it didn't really 'unpatch' well... But for what I know, maybe it did. 23.15.11 # Strogg: Try changing line 545 of configure to rootdir=`input` 23.15.12 # I mean "cvs diff" btw 23.15.34 # PaulPosition: the "cvs diff | patch" thing won't fail 23.15.47 # but sure, you may get some .rej and .orig files left 23.15.55 # if you did the patching with the patch tool 23.15.58 # oh, but they mean nothing? 23.16.10 # they're just there for your information 23.16.12 # Bagder: Isn't that simply a typo in configure, line 545? 23.16.13 # rasher: ahh. nice. 23.16.35 # Well sorry Badger for my 9 downloads yesterday.. ;) 23.16.39 # rasher: yes indeed it is 23.16.41 # Strogg: Does that fix the problem you had? 23.16.46 # Bagder: shall I fix? 23.16.55 # PaulPosition: we'll put that on your tab then sir? ;-P 23.16.59 # rasher: lemme test another build. I imagine it will though 23.17.01 # rasher: please do 23.17.06 Quit Blackfish` ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.17.27 # wow.. my first contribution hehe. I think I should go eat a cookie now. :) 23.17.29 # I'm surprised it's been this long without anyone banging their head on that 23.17.50 # it shows how often people build out of the documented way ;-) 23.17.58 # * amiconn wonders what typo rasher is talking about 23.18.07 # firmdir=`input` 23.18.10 # rasher: most people probably build in the src dir, I bet. hehe 23.18.10 # amiconn: it's asking for the root dir, but assigns it to firmdir 23.18.17 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.18.27 # which seems.. broken 23.18.28 # I never had to answer that question manually... 23.18.44 # Strogg: not really, the script searches quite all over the place for it automaticly 23.19.15 # maybe my dev environment is just a little odd. hehe 23.19.16 # Yeah, I really think that whole block should just be changed to rootdir=`dirname $0`/.. 23.19.31 # Since that should always be the root dir 23.19.39 # As things are now, anyway 23.19.46 # nomenclature... blah. :p 23.20.13 # Using source code root directory: /home/jean/rockbox/src/rockbox 23.20.16 # woo! 23.20.44 # Not it'd better build correctly as well 23.20.53 # it's still building, but it's passed the point where it errors. Looks good. 23.20.59 # rasher: Bagder: Thanks a bunch :) 23.21.36 # * Bagder bows 23.21.45 # You're most welcome 23.26.04 Quit amiconn (" reboot, brb") 23.29.01 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-7-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 23.29.54 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.40.18 # Bagder: replacing the rootdir guessing and asking with the rootdir=`dirname $0`/../ allows me to build from anywhere without having to manually specify my source dir.. Can you think of any downsides to using that? 23.40.30 # nope, go for it! 23.41.26 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.42.02 Join getdow [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.45.18 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=spader@adsl-144-237-235.mia.bellsouth.net) 23.45.21 # heya! 23.45.47 # hi 23.46.07 # i really love Rockbox ;-) 23.50.54 Quit mrfatcatt () 23.50.59 # me too! 23.52.45 # i really love the Last.fm log, so cool :-) 23.53.10 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-20-215-80.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 23.53.10 Quit manisavirus ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.53.43 # Terinjokes: yeah, me too. it's my main reason for using rockbox ;) 23.54.19 # Last.fm log ? 23.54.45 # what s that ? 23.55.05 # a log of all your played songs that can be submitted to http://last.fm 23.55.21 # I guess i have to code something to make uploading the log easier in MacOSX, speaking the file is hidden (i made a system link in my Music folder that points at it, make it a tad bit easier to upload, and made a shell script to turn around and delete it..) 23.55.28 # nice ! didnt know that 23.57.11 # my main interest is in the gameboy and zx emulators :) 23.57.35 # hrm, still no nano support... 23.57.58 # spug, whats your last.fm namer? 23.58.50 # Spug