--- Log for 19.11.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 16 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.05 # hehe 00.00.42 # nano support would be nice 00.00.47 # and my 'Tast-o-meter' works now, reports 'your compatibility rating with Spug is "Medium"' 00.00.56 # that's awesome 00.01.06 # I'll have to check out your lastfm stuff. hehe 00.01.55 # Spug, sent you a friend request (grr..sounds like myspace.....) 00.02.07 # :) 00.02.36 # i'm user Terinjokes BTW, in case anyone want to look at what i listen to 00.03.05 # bwaaaha.. myspace. Was great for learning about events and shows, but now that lastfm does it, you think I'm ever going to load up a myspace page again? :p 00.03.26 Join hachi [0] (n=hachi@shego.kuiki.net) 00.03.31 # yep, mine, because mine is cool! :) 00.03.41 # oh, myspace, no...place sucks 00.03.48 # theeehee.. 00.04.19 # can I get anyone to lay odds that rockbox will dual boot and work okay on the 5.5G 80G ipod in say... 4 months time? 00.04.49 # my uneducated guess is that it'll work okay in 4 months 00.04.56 # but the development is unpredictable really 00.05.04 # I'd say odds are good, the platform is interresting for sure so I'd say someone will get interrested. 00.05.06 # progress has been slow...IDK really, its a whole new system, i'm very dobuous 00.05.54 # how does the debugging of stuff get done, guess and check? or is there a way to attach a debugger of some kind? 00.05.55 # Progress was slow on the ARM too.. It's snowball effect, where some small things can lead to big things... then nothing new for a while until.. 00.07.01 # I love how the status page is like 'check the forums'... and the thread on the forums is 18 pages long 00.07.04 # that's why I'm asking here 00.07.14 # hehe 00.07.16 # guess and check, mostly, I think. 00.07.27 # yeah, well, as you can see on the forums, they're actively developing it 00.07.33 # the thread is updated almost daily 00.07.41 # so i guess they're making progress steadily 00.07.49 # I do want to smack people on the forums... every so often someone posts 00.07.54 # unlike what the nano 2G thread gives me the impression of 00.07.58 # "I got rockbox working on my 5.5g" 00.08.24 # *smack* what SIZE dimwit? 00.08.35 # first thing first.. Get a main() function to execute. Get it to lit up the lcd. Then hack away. (That's a few days work already me think) 00.08.56 # lol 00.09.10 # Yeah, I guess that's why the devs don't use the forum all that much. 00.09.11 # well, then I'll go get one today... and hope that it gets working sometime soon :) 00.09.24 # Wouldn't you rather wait. 00.09.37 # And buy it for a lower price anyway when the news breaks that it DOES work? 00.09.41 # buy a used one on ebay and get something supported. hehe 00.09.46 # no, I'd rather try and force it to work... I'm an engineer, I like breaking things :) 00.10.08 # * Terinjokes wonders why recommended radio suddenlt turned french... 00.10.19 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-38-204.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.10.55 # recommended Radio ? last.fm? 00.11.09 # sí 00.11.17 # how do you reset ipods anyways? mash a few buttons? 00.11.28 # menu+select 00.11.41 # ahh 00.12.05 # doesn't work on the 3G, but IDK what does 00.12.21 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.12.25 # http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-10/0014.shtml pretty thorough look at where the 5.5G 80gb ipod won't boot 00.12.52 # any 4.5 nano support? 00.13.46 # you mean 2G? 00.13.58 # sí 00.14.04 Part nave7693 00.14.14 # not yet 00.14.26 # thanks! 00.14.33 # i got a 1G, but really want a 2G 00.14.43 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0 00.14.49 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.15.29 # morning all 00.15.45 # 'night dude. ;) 00.16.16 # 'night 00.16.19 Part Terinjokes 00.16.25 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=spader@adsl-144-237-235.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.16.41 # opps, *I* clicked the close button, LOL 00.17.41 # does anyone know how much over the rombox buids are? 00.18.37 Quit funky ("leaving") 00.18.38 Quit CriamosAndy (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.21.20 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 00.24.49 Join maquis [0] (n=erins@166.70.63.216) 00.24.56 Nick GreyFoux is now known as nGs|GreySleeps (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-38-204.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.25.13 # I have a question about setting up the rockboxui simulator on linux. 00.26.07 # You should ask it, then 00.26.18 # whenever i try to play an mp3 while in the simulator, it just displays "bad codec" on the simulator screen, and no sound comes out 00.26.24 # rasher: sorry :) 00.26.41 # did you do make install after the build? 00.27.02 # Are you using x86_64? 00.27.05 # the errors say that it's trying to open mpa.codec, and that it's unable to open _temp_codec0.dll 00.27.19 # rasher: i'm using x86 00.27.37 # Is there a way to make rockbox read a conf file on bootup? or is there a default name that is always loaded? 00.27.43 # JdGordon: for the UI? I thought so, i can try again, though. 00.27.57 # it's a nuisance to have to go to manage settings to load my config each time I turn it on 00.28.38 # i was trying to do the simulator and the build at the same time... 00.28.42 # Strogg, are you properly shutting down the system? 00.28.43 # Strogg: not yet, im working on this... and you dont have to.. you an just "run" the .cfg from the file browser 00.29.05 # JdGordon: ooh.. I didn't know that. 00.29.24 # Terinjokes: likely not, but still.. 00.30.05 # does anybody know if rockbox and OF daul-boot correctly on the 1G nano? they both load on mine, but OF contains no files... 00.30.22 # s /files/songs 00.30.22 # JdGordon: looks like i must've messed that up... thanks 00.30.26 # np 00.30.34 # Terinjokes: have you put on any songs with iTunes? 00.30.39 # all of them 00.30.57 # Hm. Right, there was a problem like that once, I thought it was fixed 00.31.51 # there was the option to downgrade the OF to a version that worked, and it did, but it would corrupt the bootloader every couple of boots 00.40.47 # Man.. the battery life in the simulator is brutal. heheh 00.43.25 # Strogg, i still envy you 00.43.33 # mmm? 00.43.33 # * Terinjokes runs windows xp in the simulator 00.44.13 # how do you double click with rockingwinbox? 00.45.38 Quit nGs|GreySleeps (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.46.42 # gtg 00.46.46 Part Terinjokes 00.47.04 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.48.01 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-252-73-101.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 00.48.59 Join spifwand [0] (n=lmao@c-67-166-28-147.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 00.49.56 # could someone add "target/arm/iriver/*.[chS]" to /firmware/FILES - the h10 cannot be built from a source tarball - missing 2 .h files 00.50.43 # Hrmmm.. check the wiki.. I remember it saying something about not building the bootloader 00.51.46 # Ahh.. that's the other iriver's.. 00.52.00 # obo: done 00.52.10 # thanks :) 00.52.49 Join bsk8er48 [0] (n=bradfeld@c-68-40-248-8.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 00.56.11 Part bsk8er48 00.57.55 Quit getdow ("CGI:IRC") 00.58.05 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.59.30 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 01.02.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.06.08 Quit Ribs2 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.07.33 # the iriver h300 has a Li-Pol battery? 01.09.03 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.19.33 # OSU FTW 01.23.29 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 01.25.26 # spug: yes 1300ma 01.28.23 # okay, thanks 01.28.36 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 01.42.24 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.43.20 Quit midkay_ ("*poff*") 01.51.32 Quit anathema (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.55.47 Quit Psiuyo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.57.23 Quit EnterUserName (SendQ exceeded) 01.59.06 Nick Martian67_ is now known as Martian67 (n=Martian6@S0106001839504413.ed.shawcable.net) 01.59.41 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02.03.15 Quit ender` (" The problem with political jokes is they get elected. -- Henry Cate, VII") 02.08.38 Quit obo ("bye") 02.12.08 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@220.160.109.64) 02.14.26 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 02.20.04 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.21.07 Quit Bjoern-Erik ("Lost terminal") 02.24.40 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.30.59 # once i've flashed the firmware on the H300, i can safely delete the H300.hex file? 02.31.07 # YEs 02.31.31 # ok, thanks 02.36.32 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@220.160.112.95) 02.39.07 Quit JoeBorn (Nick collision from services.) 02.39.16 Nick JoeyBorn is now known as JoeBorn (n=rootmeis@220.160.112.95) 02.54.25 # jhMikeS: you around? 02.59.29 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 03.00.41 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.02.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.06.20 Quit nudelyn2 ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 03.08.13 # JdGordon: here and there 03.08.34 # do the recording menus and stuff need fixxing after your big commit eariler? 03.09.28 # which of the big commits 03.09.43 # the recent recording overhauls 03.09.57 # as in.. since sepetember 03.10.33 # they shouldn't, why do you ask? 03.11.00 # because im working on trying to get the settings and menu stuff commited this week and checking if that will need fixing 03.11.37 # oh you mean re: the settings changes. I think they should be updated to use real values at the least 03.11.43 # speaking of recording settings: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7408.0 03.12.52 # basically means getting rid of global_to_encoder_config and encoder_to_global_config stuff 03.14.25 # I agree with that. Should be able to specify/browse to a directory and have it stick. I'd rather use the same dirs for both firmwares as well. 03.14.55 Join daurnimator [0] (n=fake@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 03.15.14 # yeah, i almost never record, but i thinks ts silly not being allowed to choose the folder 03.15.16 # do the general rockbox builds work on 5.5gen? 03.15.19 # no 03.15.26 # as long as i have the bootloader properly installed? 03.15.30 # no 03.15.36 # 5.5g is not ready yet 03.15.44 # JdGordon: Well, get cracking on file-config then 03.15.52 # i had it working, i just wanted a newer rockbox build 03.16.04 # It's the only reason for the current method 03.16.16 # if i were better at programming, i'd make a patch :/ 03.16.51 # spug: It's quite involved. Unless you just want to add "RECORD" 03.16.55 # As a choice 03.17.09 # rasher: well, it could be done now, just using the vkeyboard to type the name.. 03.17.18 # JdGordon: But how would you save the setting? 03.17.33 # rasher: that'd probably suffice 03.17.36 # JdGordon: if there is a working 5.5 patchset out there, why isnt it made offical? 03.17.46 # or at least avalible without hunting for 5 hours 03.17.48 # rasher: same way as the wps/fonts... 03.18.15 # So there'd be an artificial limit on the path 03.18.16 # Martian67: iirc its not working 100% yet so thee is no point 03.18.29 # JdGordon: whats not working about it, besides the apple firmware? 03.18.33 # (and how much space is available in the config block anyway?) 03.18.43 # not much.. 03.18.49 # Martian67: i dont know 03.19.23 # would anyone like to try to settings patch now and help find missing settings and other fun bugs? 03.19.24 # JdGordon: because it works great for me :/ 03.19.33 # 30gb model? 03.19.36 # yes 03.19.48 # yeah, the 60gb model has bigger problems 03.19.53 # 80 you mean? 03.20.09 # ye 03.20.38 # JdGordon: instead of converting the configs, they just need to be copied to the local instance and then the changed one copied back to global. The array in enc_config.c will need a size instead of a function pointer. 03.21.13 # JdGordon: what was that thing that supported the ipod style directorys by indexing the files? 03.21.23 # and do i need to rebuild to get it? 03.21.35 # tagcache and yes 03.22.41 # JdGordon: do you know if the 5.5 patchset works against those sources? 03.22.49 # no 03.26.04 # JdGordon: do the daily builds have tagcatche or is it an external thing? 03.30.15 # they do 03.34.51 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 03.35.57 # :'( why is it soo damn humid here?? 03.39.38 Quit spifwand (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.42.03 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 03.43.01 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.143.33) 03.43.23 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.45.16 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 03.51.14 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 04.00.53 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.00.57 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54984E8C.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.08.13 # just sorta familiarizing myself with the plugin api.. wondering what's the standard way to output variables in text to the screen? It looks like you have to first sprintf() to a buffer and then lcd_putsxy(). Is that right or is there a better way? 04.11.30 # putsexy? 04.11.30 # lol 04.13.16 # Strogg: it would be better to use the screens[]. struct so it will work on the remote lcd screen... but yes,lcd_put* works 04.13.55 # JdGordon: that was going to be one of my other questions.. What's a remote LCD? 04.14.21 # the x5, h100 and h300 models have remote controls which have an lcd screen on them 04.14.37 # Ahhh. 04.15.09 # if your doing something purely text then you should have the lcd drawing function accomodate different lcd screens and fonts.. if yuor doing a game then dont worry about the rmeote lcd 04.15.19 # unless you can be bothered of course 04.15.28 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 04.16.06 # JdGordon: I'm making something to view Go game files.. SGF files.. so.. it'll be game-like. 04.16.21 # ok 04.16.48 # I'll try to keep things mostly to standard, but mostly first, I wanna get something working. Then can work on making it work everywhere. hehe 04.32.41 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@220.160.117.21) 04.42.08 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.42.19 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF5E6C.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.42.20 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.vidao2.com") 04.58.27 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 05.02.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.11.58 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17FCB.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.14.48 Quit yipe (Remote closed the connection) 05.20.14 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 05.27.15 Join j1mc [0] (n=j1mc@adsl-75-22-198-27.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 05.28.17 Part maquis 05.28.23 Quit j1mc (Remote closed the connection) 05.28.26 Quit NickDe (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.39.07 Quit newbyx86 (Remote closed the connection) 05.39.47 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 05.44.57 Join skipinschool [0] (n=clownaro@adsl-157-232-104.jax.bellsouth.net) 05.45.04 # hey 05.45.37 # * Strogg notices that his C is direly rusty. 05.45.48 # i need an update with rockbox.... I had it like 3 months ago 05.45.58 # what all has improved since 05.46.12 # * Strogg knows nothing 05.46.51 # skipinschool: http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html 05.47.02 # ok.... 05.47.03 # bah...beat me to it 05.47.13 # * JdGordon rulezz :D 05.47.17 # just have like 2 questions 05.47.32 # album art fix?? can it play videos?? 05.47.41 # no and yes 05.47.51 # *blink!* 05.47.57 # no to album art.... :-( 05.48.06 # JdGordon: rockbox can do video now? 05.48.15 # yeah. 05.48.17 # * Strogg runs off to the feature list on the wiki 05.48.25 # well only a m2v files and only the video 05.48.31 # actually, run off to PluginMpegplayer 05.49.42 # I have a ncie idea for the int settings screen, but scared the drawing code needed is going to be too big for it to work 05.49.52 # I want to copy the speedo in cars.. 05.51.42 # lol 05.53.06 # anyone remember the formula to draw a circle? 05.53.12 # hrmm poop.. 05.53.13 # actually a elipse 05.53.23 # its been awhile since ive used rockbox and wanna get it agian.... but i cant remember if i have to cange the song names 05.53.35 # JdGordon: hrmm x^2 + y^2 = hrmm... something. 05.53.39 # from JKFJ.mp4 to name.mp4 05.53.44 Quit newbyx86 ("afk") 05.53.47 # I wanna say r^2 05.54.21 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 05.55.26 # * Strogg tries to figure out why his struct is full of garbage 05.56.50 # anybody? 05.57.27 # do i have to change my song names in my f folders on my ipod using godfather?? 05.57.34 # there are tools out there that will rename files based on the id3 tags 05.57.50 # and you can use tagcache 05.57.59 # so basically i just need to update my tags on iTunes 05.58.20 # and then proceed with those other 2 steps you listed 05.58.26 # Why do you wanna keep the same ipod naming scheme? 05.58.46 # why do you not have your tags correct? 05.58.53 # i want it to display the name and title of the artist 05.58.57 # and album art 05.59.19 # so... do not update my tages on iTunes? 06.00.48 # whatever... ill figure it out 06.01.12 # can't help yah on this one. I installed rockbox to get away from all the itunes stuff.. 06.05.19 # well, ive had rockbox... ive had senabs build, but i took it off because it kept freezing 06.05.23 Quit jaebird (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.05.35 # it wasnt made for dummies yet :-) 06.05.47 # and i still think its not 06.06.24 # depends what you wanna get out of it, I guess.. 06.06.45 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 06.08.15 # yea... 06.08.40 # see, theres too much access to critical stuff that could freeze it and stuff... 06.09.06 # oh wow... 06.09.09 # thats what i dont like.... it acts more like a harddrive rather than an Operating System 06.09.17 # * Strogg raises an eyebrow 06.09.48 # dont get me wrong... i like the fact that you can do this to your ipod 06.10.06 # ignoring your other comments, what ipod do you have? 06.10.07 Quit thegeek (Remote closed the connection) 06.10.08 # but do you guys think it will ever develope into just a mere OS 06.10.10 # nah.. I'm just trying to figure out what you mean by harddrive-vs-OS 06.10.21 # iPod video 06.10.24 # 30gig 06.10.34 # and by freeze you mean skip? 06.10.35 # that's the same model I got. hehe 06.10.52 # well, what i mean by hard drive... 06.11.04 # is you have access to stuff other than you need 06.11.19 # an OS is almost kinda like for dummies 06.11.25 # you didn't you didn't have access to it before? 06.11.32 # like what iPod has right now ;-) 06.11.32 # err.. *tries again* 06.11.37 # you think you didn't have access to it before? 06.11.56 # i know i had access to it before 06.12.01 # lol.... now im confused 06.12.08 # where is this going?? 06.12.08 # you are the first person i have ever heard that would like less features 06.12.26 # no... features are GREAT 06.12.32 # skipinschool: are you talking about when it's plugged into USB, or when you're nav'ing around in ipod? 06.12.42 # but access to critical stuff is like :-/ 06.12.59 # when your just naving 06.13.12 # NOT pluged into usb 06.13.16 # so? Just go into your settings and turn that stuff off. 06.13.26 # no shit? 06.13.35 # * Strogg finds the option 06.13.37 # i didnt know you can do that... lol 06.13.52 # be specific...i have no idea what you mean 06.13.58 # ok... 06.14.11 # im a simple yet somewhat organized person 06.14.14 # General Settings -> File View -> Show Files -> Music 06.14.22 # oh...just that? 06.14.23 # Then it shows only music. 06.14.33 # i like the original iPod firmware, but its weak 06.14.45 # you cant change the backround 06.15.13 # hehe.. myself, I got nothing against the original ipod interface. It was seriously slick. 06.15.44 # yea... it is.... but you cant change the backround or anything like that 06.15.49 # nothing too confusing 06.16.06 # P.S. whats Senabs build website 06.16.14 # or is there a better suggested one 06.16.25 # for the 5th gen 30 gig 06.16.56 # senab has stopped producing his buolds 06.17.00 # builds 06.17.13 # ok... thats news... 06.17.26 # any alternatives? 06.17.39 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0 06.17.53 Join EnterUserName [0] (n=dave@pdpc/supporter/student/GeekZoid) 06.25.44 Quit RoC_MM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.39.49 # uhm.... i think i fucked my iPod up, royally 06.40.05 # it will not load any firmware... not even the original 06.40.23 # and what does it do? 06.40.39 # rockbox boot loader 06.40.47 # the all that other junk 06.40.56 # that is not junk 06.41.00 # loading error- 06.41.01 # that is what is telling you what is wrong 06.41.10 # loading original firmare 06.41.19 # and then back to rockbox thingy 06.41.20 # yes...the whole line please 06.42.13 # as in there should be a number after error...what is it? 06.42.21 # -1 06.42.43 # do you have the rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder in the root of the device? 06.43.16 # no... 06.43.20 # i didnt do that 06.43.28 # i thought the firmware extracted that 06.43.42 # the instructions tell you to do that... 06.44.04 # yes, i relized that afterwords 06.45.47 # well, shit.... my computer cannot even read it as a hard drive 06.46.03 # select + play 06.46.14 # also in the instructions in case you screw up 06.46.21 # please read =) 06.47.05 # select and play didnt do anything... select and menu just restart it, but thats no help 06.47.19 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-231-244-54.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 06.47.23 # hold select and play... 06.47.41 # hmmm, there's no latest daily build on rockbox site 06.48.00 # haha, I just take it that nothings been done for my player :P 06.48.13 # no...just a small glitch 06.48.19 # nothing wrong with CVS builds 06.48.21 # ooh, thought that as well 06.48.24 # i held select and play.... and didnt do anything :-( 06.48.27 # Yeah, I'll just update with that then 06.48.54 # I'm tired of that data abort error I kept getting from three days ago 06.49.39 # well, shit.... i fucked up my ipods firmware... my mistake 06.50.02 # no you didnt (if you followed the directions) 06.50.07 # lol 06.50.08 # select and play is hardware 06.50.18 # reboot, then hold those 2 06.50.52 # aaah 06.50.55 # aaaaaaaaaaah 06.50.59 # * scorche sighs 06.51.02 # i didnt reboot first 06.51.34 # hehe 06.52.10 # tank you sooo much!! i thought my iPod was done 06.52.31 # there hasnt been a single brick from rockbox... 06.52.42 # muahaha 06.52.51 # unless its a flaw in the user, or no? 06.52.55 # :P 06.52.58 # no 06.53.03 # * JdGordon edited the ipod install page so extracting rockbox.zip is before installing the bootloader 06.53.10 # ipods are practically impossibly to brak permanently 06.53.23 # I meant in the booting part, and they hadn't backed up the original to start over in case they messed up 06.53.36 # JdGordon: it really doesnt matter...they are still plugged in 06.53.38 # or is that fixable as well? 06.53.44 # it is 06.53.54 # awesome 06.53.55 # scorche: no, the bootloader instructions tell you to disconnect and test! 06.54.01 # they do? 06.54.04 # bah... 06.54.13 # hehe 06.54.15 # yah 06.54.30 # * scorche shakes his fist at... 06.54.40 # hmm, on the cvs build part of the site, does green mean its been modified for that player? 06.54.51 # green means no build errors 06.54.56 # oooh 06.55.02 # then what do the numbers mean? 06.55.09 # number of errors 06.55.14 # ah, alright 06.55.16 # thanks :) 06.55.33 # yeay!!! rockbox loaded 06.55.38 # lol 06.56.13 # hmm, when I update rockbox, unzipping it, does it overwrite my themes, backgrounds, and wps? 06.56.25 # only if you want it to 06.56.26 # no 06.56.35 # alright 06.56.44 # it will only add files and replace ones that have the same name 06.57.07 # hehe thats what I was thinking, but sometimes, it could just replace based on dir, rather then file 06.57.08 # if you made a theme and named it boxes.wps, then yes ;) 06.57.14 # haha 06.57.53 # the only files u need to update is rockbox.ipod, .rockbox/viewers/* and .rockbox/rocks/* 06.58.00 # and .rockbox/codecs/* 06.58.35 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzz") 06.58.52 # hehe 07.00.59 # ok, who wants to play guenea pig? 07.01.21 # as in the Japanese snuff series? :P 07.01.29 # * JdGordon needs beta testers 07.01.37 # beta testing for what? 07.01.40 # uh oh 07.01.43 # a patch for rockbox 07.01.44 # * scorche hides 07.01.48 # lol 07.01.52 # you know you ant to.. :D 07.01.55 # whats this 'patch' do 07.01.56 # ? 07.01.57 # want* 07.02.01 # well, i usually do =P 07.02.14 # s/do/end up doing it anyway 07.02.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.02.25 # lol 07.02.31 # * Strogg commits his src tree before applying mysterious patchs. hehe 07.03.31 # JdGordon: so what's this patch? 07.03.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuSettingsRecoding patch at the bottom.. 07.03.42 # replaces all the settings and most menus 07.03.48 # no more config block settings 07.03.56 # did you fix the boosting? 07.04.00 # yup 07.04.03 # yay! 07.04.12 # yeah :) 07.04.18 # figure it out, or just the recoding of the recoding did it? 07.04.24 # hopefully gonna get it to a state where its ready for commit early this week 07.04.41 # no, it was the dynamic menu stuff.. the sound menu wasnt plaing ncie 07.04.44 # all fixed now tho 07.04.56 # crossfade? 07.05.04 # oh...just the dynamic 07.05.13 # oh wait...i already heard you talking about that.. 07.05.20 # :) 07.05.35 # haha 07.05.50 # t0dk0n: stop laughing at me! 07.06.01 # sorry :'( 07.06.09 # I'm laughing with you :P 07.06.40 # of course... 07.07.28 # even if you're not laughing 07.08.52 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 07.09.27 # hmm, if you made a playlist with files from the ipod, would it work with rockbox? 07.09.28 Quit RoC_MM (Client Quit) 07.09.44 # like in a program like XMMS or exaile 07.09.51 # yes.. if its a .m3u 07.09.53 # if it is m3u, yes 07.09.57 # grrr 07.09.58 # no pls? 07.10.06 # just for that, i am not testing your patch! 07.10.12 # :'( 07.10.14 # im sorry 07.10.25 Join skipschoolandksk [0] (n=clownaro@adsl-153-230-19.jax.bellsouth.net) 07.10.34 # hrmmmm my patch can't read your patch. hehe 07.10.39 # ok... got my rockbox on :-) 07.10.54 # but it aborts.... lol 07.11.14 # I wish I could help testing, Jonathan, but there's no recording *yet* on the portalplayer daps.. Wish you good luck with it, though. 07.11.21 # "data abort 'hex decimal numbers'"? 07.11.34 # PaulPosition: no, this patch has nothing to do with recording 07.11.35 # PaulPosition: recoding...not recording 07.11.44 # Doh. lol 07.11.58 # t0dk0n: what build and whats the hex number? 07.12.11 # uhm 07.12.18 # julis build 07.12.19 # ooh, I was asking skipschoolandksk dude 07.12.27 # and its while im playing a song 07.12.36 # JdGordon: How did you generate this patch? 07.12.42 # cvs diff 07.12.42 # I thought it was about recording settings.. lol. -- Soon as I wake up tomorrow morning I download and build (and then read some, so I have at least an idea what to look for in terms of bugs and such..) :) 07.12.45 # I just put the newest cvs on mine, but it runs fine so far 07.12.45 # uhh...he wrote it? =P 07.12.59 # JdGordon: should I be able to apply via patch -p2 < foo.patch ? 07.13.05 # -p0 07.13.15 # well, depends where you are doing it 07.13.20 # hey... whatever... ill figure it out tommorrow 07.13.28 # crazy.. 07.13.32 # skipshcool - hey 07.13.34 # wait... 07.13.45 # Strogg: crazy? 07.14.00 # skipschoolandksk: we request that you try with an official build before saying something is wrong 07.14.10 # JdGordon: insane.. bizzarre.. 07.14.20 # true... 07.14.23 # what in particular is? 07.14.30 # When's the last Pi Julius build from?.. If it's between 14th and somewhere around 16th or 17th, the freeze might be caused by you using APE tagged files. 07.14.35 # it applied ok with -p0. hehe 07.14.47 # There was some changes made and the latest builds resolve that. 07.14.52 # well, for right now... where can i get the original ipod firmware so i dont have to restore 07.15.12 # just hold menu down after rebooting 07.15.16 # you should have saved it 07.15.19 # and it goes into the origingal firmware 07.15.22 # original* 07.15.23 # or that 07.15.45 # uhm... i didnt save anything else besides the rockbox stuff 07.16.04 # i *do* know that the instructions tell you to save that file 07.16.06 # Did you back up that bootpartition thing? 07.16.34 # i dont know... i followed the directions 07.16.35 # you dont need to back it up...it is already there...you just need to not delete it ;) 07.16.51 # the only thing i forgot was the rockbox folder, but we resolved that 07.17.09 # ok... well, i typed this... hold on 07.17.26 # You should keep a safe backup of this bootpartition.bin file for use b if you ever wish to either upgrade the Rockbox boot loader or uninstall Rockbox 07.17.27 # from your Ipod 07.17.46 # and you didnt follow that ;) 07.18.00 # ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin 07.18.08 # ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin 07.18.17 # this is before that 07.18.24 # when you first extract it 07.18.34 # ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin 07.18.36 # ok... 07.18.49 # well than no 07.18.55 # i guess there merged or something 07.19.23 # we already know that...i was just pointing out that you did, in fact, not follow all the directions as you said ;) 07.19.32 # hrmmm.. having a lot of issues compiling.. 07.19.43 # Strogg: like? 07.19.46 # JdGordon: I suspect that your build environment differs alot from mine.. 07.19.57 # yea... 07.19.58 # scorche: mostly path issues.. gimme a bit.. I'll get it working 07.20.03 # shit... im retarted.... 07.20.12 # i have 3 other iPods next to me 07.20.13 # lol 07.20.14 # Strogg: ? 07.20.18 # Strogg: well, have you compiled rockbox before? 07.20.24 # yea 07.20.29 # a long time ago 07.20.30 # scorche: yeah 07.20.50 # can i pull the firmware from an 80gig?? 07.20.58 # would it work on the 30 07.20.59 # no 07.21.16 # ok.. 07.21.18 # Could it be the tools/configure changes hitting you back in the face..? (see latest cvs..) 07.21.38 # well, guys.... thanks for the help, im tired as hell, and ill deal with this tommorrow 07.21.46 # nite, then. 07.21.52 # take it easy... 07.21.57 Quit skipschoolandksk () 07.22.15 # This is unrelated.. but.. should these be brackets instead of braces? 07.22.16 # export DOCSDIR=$(ROOTDIR)/docs 07.22.16 # export MANUALDIR=${ROOTDIR}/manual 07.22.44 Quit skipinschool (Connection timed out) 07.22.59 # * JdGordon no idea 07.23.06 # crossfeed is sex for the ears 07.24.09 Quit PaulPosition () 07.24.33 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-245.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 07.27.36 # Anyone know offhand what error 127 out of make is? 07.33.41 Join webguest97 [0] (i=50e8759a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 07.33.49 Quit webguest97 (Client Quit) 07.35.27 # hmm... shutdown is happening too fast now :'( settings arnt getting saved 07.35.50 # hehe that needs to be fix0red 07.36.01 # no, it needs to be fixed... 07.36.25 # hahaha, fine fine, 'fixed' it needs to be 07.36.39 # heh. There we go. I'm gonna have to add my all toolchain dirs to my PATH.. or make a script to do it. 07.36.50 # it was going nuts when it couldn't find arm-elf-ranlib 07.36.54 # jdGordon: is that on your patch, or on the general cvs? 07.37.00 # with patch 07.37.04 # ahh alright =D 07.37.13 # lol, good thing I didn't try it quite yet :P 07.38.41 # I don't wanna use my computers audio anymore, I'm addicted to the rockbox auido quality! 07.39.24 # your computer should have better... 07.39.27 # it should 07.39.37 # what audio card? 07.39.40 # but I have great sennheiser headphones 07.39.42 # Audigy 07.39.57 # just plug the headphones into the computer ;) 07.40.01 # or get better speakers 07.40.03 # haha yeah 07.40.13 # I have crappy generic harman/kardon speakers 07.41.24 # hmm, I'm testing to see how long I can just listen to audio before the battery runs out 07.43.02 Join sellout_ [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-245.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 07.49.15 # hrmmm... 07.50.17 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.50.37 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7D55.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.50.54 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.52.12 Quit sellout_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.02.25 # * Strogg gives up for tonight 08.05.07 # night night 08.09.23 # hmm, the text is inside the image of this wps 08.09.55 # I wanna make it a little more aligned 08.10.11 # is that possible? or is it just straight up left, center, and right? 08.11.31 # the images of the theme show it aligned correctly 0_o 08.13.35 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 08.14.22 # maybe the positioning is font dependent? 08.15.00 # perhaps 08.15.03 # but check it out 08.15.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpod5g?rev=1;filename=Theme_X_HighBar2.png 08.15.43 # on my ipod, the text is crashing into the play part a little 08.17.38 # I was trying to look at the wps file, with the aid of the tag index in the manual 08.17.47 # but couldn't figure out exactly what to do 08.47.53 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 09.02.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.08.11 # Gr. My sansa dont want to initilize lcd 09.08.11 # :9 09.08.31 # :( 09.18.50 Quit hannesd (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 09.20.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.21.21 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6915.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.23.21 # Any ideas why lcd could be initilezed in bootloader but not in normal firmware 09.23.51 # ??? 09.25.10 # Gnelik: Not totally sure but I think Rolo might need it reset at least. Other than that, no reason really. 09.26.07 # But re: Sansa can't really say for sure. More familiar with Coldfire stuff atm. 09.26.11 # jhMikeS:(1) What is Rolo? (2) Screen becam yellow after init 09.26.50 # Gnelik: Rolo restarts rockbox. You can invok it by selecting the firmware file in the browser and running it. 09.28.13 # Gnelik: (2) Have no idea why. I don't have a Sansa. Don't know if anything I said was of any assitance :P 09.28.25 Join Blackfish [0] (n=asd@p548359F8.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.28.27 # jhMikeS: not quite right...RoLo is a method of loading other firmwares 09.29.09 # I generate mi4 file and 09.29.13 # scorche: I've only seen it when updating the firmware or selecting another firmware (almost never). so yeah :) 09.29.22 # Sandisk bootloader loads it 09.29.26 # well, what device? 09.29.46 # there is a bug on ipod where it will only load the same image that is currently running... 09.29.58 # Gnelik: well, Rockbox on sansa isn't even working so expect more flaws to remain 09.30.42 # Bagder: But i cant understand why it dont wand to init lcd, we cant start debuging 09.30.59 # Bagder: since when do you come in here this early on a sunday? =) 09.31.11 # scorche: ssshhh don't tell anyone ;-) 09.31.29 # my youngest is sleeping and wife and daughter are out 09.32.01 # i have to know...am i an enabler? 09.32.28 # en enabler of what? 09.32.41 # enabler...haven't heard that term in a while 09.33.16 # one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by helping that individual avoid the consequences of such behavior 09.33.34 # aaha 09.33.55 # ;) 09.34.10 # rockbox makes me forget to pay bills 09.34.16 # hahaha 09.35.33 # Bagder: Can this be connected with memory remapings etc.? 09.35.58 # I wouldn't guess so, but who knows 09.36.49 Join webguest00 [0] (i=5873b21c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.36.58 # :( 09.38.46 # why isn't there a link to the version controlled source on the website? 09.38.51 # or am I just missing it? 09.39.12 # link to it how? 09.39.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml 09.39.26 # has two suitable links in the bottom 09.40.19 # ahh... I don't usually look in the instructions to find the urls 09.42.38 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com) 09.43.31 Quit ObsidianX (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.53.22 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-245.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 09.53.44 Quit shnee (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.57.47 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-71-72-86-113.columbus.res.rr.com) 10.03.59 Join shnee_ [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com) 10.06.44 # does ata_spin() force the disk to spin up if it is off? 10.07.40 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 10.07.58 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 10.10.14 # .. it doesnt :( 10.10.27 # whats the best way to force the disk to spin without reading.writing anything? 10.16.54 Quit shnee (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.19.15 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 10.19.32 Part t0dk0n 10.29.46 # JdGordon: I already inquired about that. None. 10.30.11 # I guess Ill have to explicitly call the save setting function on shutdown 10.33.33 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 10.34.41 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.37.29 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 10.39.05 # I hate my sansa :) 10.39.45 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 10.42.18 # And yellow color too. 10.43.21 # is rectrigger on all targets now? 10.44.14 # ?? 10.44.59 # jhMikeS: ? 10.52.29 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.52.43 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7313.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.59.09 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 10.59.18 Quit Gnelik ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 11.01.25 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 11.02.04 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-38-204.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.02.12 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 11.02.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.05.39 # Any ideas of sansa lcd_init bug 11.05.40 # ??? 11.06.13 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 11.06.55 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AED9E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.09.34 # JdGordon: sorry. yes? 11.09.45 # is rec trigger on all tragets? 11.09.45 Quit Gnelik (Connection reset by peer) 11.09.59 # and the recording settings are going to be a pita to move across :p 11.10.04 # oh...rectrigger. can't say. 11.10.21 # k 11.10.36 # why are the recording settings going to be a pita? 11.11.04 # just because.. :p 11.11.14 # were most of them already moved? 11.11.24 # weren't 11.11.44 # im not sure... I think only rectrigger (if thats swcodec) and frequency ned fixing 11.11.54 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@ppp98-163.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 11.15.16 # should properly #ifdef the global_settings structure while at it since a lot of stuff gets included that doesn't belong 11.18.26 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@241.80-202-109.nextgentel.com) 11.18.51 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 11.19.11 # I don't see any problem with the frequencies atm on SWCODEC 11.21.25 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host148-139.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 11.21.41 # Is there a problem putting those samplerate macros inside the others? 11.24.13 Join nudelyn [0] (n=leo@dyn-62-56-66-224.dslaccess.co.uk) 11.26.42 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 11.31.34 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 11.34.09 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh") 11.38.38 Quit rconan ("Leaving") 11.38.42 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.44.25 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 11.47.29 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549658E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.55.31 # Anyone who knows how "aggressive" the dithering is on grayscale targets? 11.57.23 # ? 11.58.19 # It should dither each 8 bit level to a unique dot pattern. 11.58.24 Join bernych [0] (i=50533e9c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 11.58.47 # On perfectly white (#FFFFFF) WPS backdrop, I get a light gray pixel every 16 pixels... 11.59.23 # Sure the source image is perfect white? 11.59.33 # FEFEFE should produce that 12.00.37 # Hi guys, I have a X5 running rockbox, and I'm no happy with the radio reception quality, so I look into the code... 12.01.04 # bernych: It does seem a bit weak but I never looked myself. Find anything? 12.01.16 # Quite sure. It seems that the colors I picked (so that the top two pixels are right), aren't quite what the BMP loader expects, so it dithers. 12.01.25 # Question is, what does it expect... :) 12.02.34 # Ouch, tried a slightly darker background, and that made things a lot worse... 12.02.48 # It expects a bitmap. :P If it has to reduce color depth, it dithers levels that aren't representable by solid colors. White sould be solid though. 12.03.09 # I don't know why , but amiconn added a 4kHz shift to the frequency selection and High Cut-Control is not active. Someone knows why? 12.03.30 # But it isn't... 12.03.54 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-165-106.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 12.04.01 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.143.33) 12.04.03 # benych:hmmm...I have no clue why the shift is needed. I suspect the setup on iAudio and iRiver should be the same. 12.04.21 Quit MadDog011 (Remote closed the connection) 12.04.32 # Lear: It should be. Ask amiconn. He wrote the new loader. 12.04.43 # I know, but he isn't around... 12.05.04 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.05.06 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 12.05.31 # For me, without the frequency shift works better, and it is exactly what the philips datasheet says 12.06.32 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-084-068.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.10.58 # Lear: He said it's "Code Policed". I see the problem though 12.11.27 # Does someone has a decompiled listing of the original iaudio firmware, so that I can check what cowon did? 12.11.31 # You do? Just started looking at it... 12.11.36 # bernych: could be. there might be a reason on iRiver and the reception is strong there. x5 should probably not use it. 12.12.17 # Lear: need to do some caclulation...one minute 12.14.18 Join cobold [0] (n=Me@128.120.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 12.14.38 # (257 * (3 * brightness(*qp++) + delta)) >> 16. when brightness is 255 and delta is 0, the result is 2.999954224... which rounds to 2. That happens on 1 dot out of 256. 12.15.46 # Interesting... Not the only case with dithering (pure white), but perhaps the other cases have the same rounding problem. 12.15.51 # Other values in the matrix are > 0 so all the other pixels round to level 3 12.15.53 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 12.16.40 Quit lini ("lini has no reason") 12.16.41 # Maybe the fix is to replace 0 with 1 in the matrix? 12.16.47 # 257*255 = 65535 so it runs short 12.16.59 # Or maybe that's the simple but wrong fix. :) 12.17.15 # Lear: Definitely not. The matrix should have all levels 0-255 12.18.05 # I'll give it a quick test anyway. Would be interesting to see the effects... 12.18.21 # it will "fix" it. better would be to add 1 to the delta 12.19.01 # You mean it should read "+ delta + 1"? 12.19.11 Quit cobold (Remote closed the connection) 12.19.15 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.19.35 # yeah 12.20.18 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 12.20.32 # but black won't be pure black any more then...there will be dark gray dots 12.20.44 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.21.45 # I never liked that 257*x / 65536 thing 12.23.44 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 12.23.59 # Do you have a better solution? 12.24.19 # thinking about it 12.25.09 # more precision perhaps 12.25.53 # Nope, "+ delta + 1" didn't fix the white. Changing the matrix worked though. 12.26.18 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.26.33 # the result must be 255.003891051*257 12.27.22 # The dots became darker, even. Black, rather than light gray. 12.27.41 # changing 0 to 1 in the matrix would increase the delta by 1. If I calc it that way the result is 3.003875732 which should round to level 3 12.29.34 # That's cause when delta is 255, adding 1 causes wrap around to black. 12.30.41 # JdGordon: here? 12.30.43 # the result is 4.003860474 12.31.15 # Ah. 12.40.04 # JdGordon: anyway if you read the logs I found two bugs in your patch and reported them on the wiki page. 12.40.41 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 12.40.43 Quit robfitz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.44.35 Join robfitz [0] (n=robfitz@A-35-77.cust.iol.ie) 12.47.12 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.47.16 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 12.52.06 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD5F96.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.52.28 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 12.53.00 # Ah, Amiconn. Backdrop dithering doesn't work quite right on grayscale. 12.53.08 # Huh? 12.53.15 # It does work perfectly here 12.53.24 # H140, Mini 2G, and the sims 12.53.30 # dan_a: hi Dan! 12.53.45 # Good morning, Gnelik 12.54.17 # dan_a I tryed to init lcd befour all, but it became yellow 12.54.36 # I tried with a backdrop that was largely white. One out of 256 pixels wasn't white. 12.54.45 # And it don't display text 12.55.05 # Gnelik: I saw that in the logs. I don't know why that would be. I don't think it is the memory remapping, because that gets done in the bootloader too. 12.55.19 # When delta is zero (as jhmikes noticed), the bright value is rounded down to two. 12.55.31 # * amiconn just checked the log 12.55.49 # Yes, there is a very slight deviation 12.56.03 # dan_a:Again we must serch for thing is'nt done in bootloader 12.56.07 # The value to the left of the ">> 16" is exactly 3 too low for proper result (if delta is zero at least). 12.56.16 # It results from approximating x / 255 by (x * 257) / 65536 12.56.55 # dan_a: i try to look for 0x7000*** 12.56.59 # adreses 12.57.14 # but it didnt helped me 12.57.42 # Gnelik: For flashing the LED? 12.57.43 # However, doing it this way (1) avoids a (costly) division and (2) also removes the need for explicit clipping 12.58.18 # Will think a bit about it 12.58.26 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-165-106.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 12.58.38 Quit MadDog011 (Remote closed the connection) 12.58.47 # dan_a: Nope. I thought thai may cause lcd driver to work bad, when doing something with such adreses. 12.59.58 Quit lini ("lini has no reason") 13.02.28 # n1s: back, ok thanks 13.02.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.04.22 # np 13.05.13 # dan_a: Have you any ideas? 13.06.09 # Not at the moment 13.07.20 # n1s: thanks, both are fixed, ill up a new version shortly 13.08.03 # going afk, bot will test more later. 13.08.46 Quit rconan (Remote closed the connection) 13.11.10 Join hannesd [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 13.12.29 # Afk for a hour 13.12.52 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.13.38 # it can be proven that the appoximation cannot work with any scaling and produce both solid black and solid white. you can have a matrix max of 255 with a brightness of 0 (should be black) and a matrix min of 0 and a brightness max of 255 (must be white). 13.16.13 # The approximation can work when using the real division, but then we need clipping 13.16.19 # ..as well 13.16.30 # Bah, forget that 13.17.09 # Then it's no longer an approximation... 13.18.13 # hehe 13.18.41 Join joe7d6 [0] (n=joe7d6@60.50.223.11) 13.19.23 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 13.21.59 # I tried adding 3 to the expression to the left of the ">>", and then all 4 colors in my test backdrop loaded correctly, without visible dither. 13.23.13 # Tried a solid black area? 13.23.58 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 13.24.08 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.25.47 # Sorry, no, I was lucky. Tried some big solid blocks, and all but the white one had that 1 in 256 bad pixel. 13.26.26 # the result of that with matrix 255 and brightness 0 would be 1.000030518. 13.26.59 # Yes 13.27.20 # But I think I know how to improve the approximation without introducing division and clipping 13.27.28 # course you could always add the values 0-3 13.29.11 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd5f96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.30.23 # (257*brightness + delta + brightness/64) / 65536 ?? 13.30.41 # oops forgot some parentheses there 13.36.46 Quit wehn () 13.38.45 # amiconn: Instead of "Code Policed" you could have just said "jhMikeS don't you dare f**k with this" :D 13.38.55 # ? 13.39.11 # I referred to things like CamelCase and the like 13.40.36 # *joking* ... CamelCase?? Where's that in the commit message? 13.41.04 Quit hannesd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.41.04 Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 13.41.38 Part joe7d6 ("Leaving") 13.41.46 # oh...good thing for wikipedia :P 13.45.11 # bool LeadCamelToWater() { return true; } ... bool MakeHimDrink() { return false; } 13.45.53 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 13.46.03 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/docs/CONTRIBUTING?rev=1.12&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup , section "Names" 13.46.13 # "Variables and function names should be all lower case." 13.46.32 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.46.44 # something I readilty observed by example 13.48.15 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@23.243.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) 13.55.09 Quit Blackfish (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.55.58 Join Blackfish [0] (n=asd@p548359F8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.58.59 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 14.04.04 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.06.27 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 14.08.30 # JdGordon: I've got a "Not Done Yet!" in the Recording settings, the stuff I reported earlier works fine now with the new patch :-) 14.08.42 # great 14.09.09 # for the reocrding settings.. im hopeing I can get someone to fix them all for me :D 14.10.35 # jhMikeS: I think I understand what's going on. Looks like your suggested fix is fairly good 14.10.57 # JdGordon: someone? 14.11.03 # anyone... 14.11.11 # Beuhler? 14.11.26 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.11.26 # eh? 14.11.40 # Never saw "Ferris Beuhler's Day Off"? 14.11.47 # no 14.12.08 # oh...never mind then :p 14.12.55 # Ferris Bueller's Day Off 14.13.01 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.13.02 # http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091042/ 14.13.02 # JdGordon: Which patch should I use? 14.13.13 # the latest on the wiki 14.13.16 Quit GreyFoux ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") 14.13.45 # think I need a separate checkout to do this... 14.14.02 # cheers 14.14.23 # you said trigger and sample rates right? 14.14.37 # i tinhk so, im not really sure whats missing 14.17.26 # there's esperanto as a lang...wtf 14.17.42 # yeah, but no bork bork! 14.17.48 # let's add Klingon 14.17.55 # nerd! :D 14.19.26 # * amiconn is slightly confoozled :/ 14.19.50 # Adding the correction doesn't influence code size on h1x0 14.20.30 # thats good isnt it? 14.20.46 # It's strange... 14.21.17 # Is the code size byte aligned or rounded up? 14.21.59 # speaking of bin size.. all the global static const vars go staright into the bin and not ram right? 14.22.04 # Not sure.. maybe the linker aligns sections to longwords or even lines 14.23.09 # oh woops... its not consted.. bugger 14.23.17 # * JdGordon talking to self again... :p 14.24.04 # JdGordon: What's the p level on it? 14.24.19 # ? 14.24.56 # never mind. was in the wrong dir :p 14.25.06 # oh.. p0 14.25.27 # amiconn: there is no semi-circle drawing routines in rb are there? 14.25.41 # nope 14.25.51 # Why would you need that? 14.26.06 # I had a nice idea for int settings, but adding the needed code would make it slow and bloated 14.26.15 # draw it up like a speedo in the car 14.26.55 # The int settings are fine as a list. Why would you want to give up simplicity and precision? 14.27.08 # coz its ugly and boring... 14.27.50 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDB49.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.27.56 # It's not ugly at all imho 14.28.04 # Analogue guages for settings? 14.28.49 # If you could have a look at archos recorder retailos "int" settings (that _does_ use sliders) you would run away immediately 14.29.00 # it would look cool, but it would be slow and bloated so I havnt even bothered coding it to test 14.29.53 # Every setting should be from 0% to 100% so as not to confuse people ;) 14.30.06 # urgh 14.30.11 # lol 14.31.25 # speaking of code bloat.. why is checkbox() in the code? its only used by plugins 14.31.53 # actually, i dont tihnk its used ever 14.31.53 # checkbox was once introduced as an idea for boolean settings 14.33.15 # ...but since _only_ boolean settings would look okay when put directly into the settings list, this idea was never completed 14.33.29 # ok 14.33.38 # is it worth keeping the code? 14.33.45 # I think checkbox() should be removed 14.34.33 # Not sure why only boolean setting would look ok that way. 14.35.13 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 14.35.15 # All other settings use text of varying width 14.35.34 # That looks like crap on smaller LCDs and/or with larger fonts 14.35.56 # recorder/wigets.c can be removed totally then 14.35.59 # I can think of a way to do it for anything at all 14.36.05 # The recording trigger screen does that, and it's ugly as hell 14.36.11 # once anything calling scrollbar() calls gui_scrollbar_draw() 14.40.37 Quit Strath ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 14.42.04 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.42.10 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd5f96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.42.14 # one advantage of sliders with a number is it gives you a sense of the range of a setting at one glance 14.42.37 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 14.43.09 # I am back again 14.43.17 # ! 14.45.53 # dan_a: are you doing something with sansa, if not i'l don't truble you? 14.47.48 # Gnelik: At the moment I'm doing other work. I'll let you know when I look at the Sansa, and if I find anything 14.48.00 # Feel free to ask questions, though. 14.49.03 # jhMikeS: what, you don't speak esperanto?? ;) 14.51.27 # dan_a: Where must i seach a bug? 14.52.52 # Or i can't find it at all? 14.56.49 # Gnelik: I don't know at the moment. I don't think it will be in crt0-pp.S, because that is the same for all the PortalPlayer targets (apart fromt the problem I found yesterday) 14.57.12 # I'd guess that something is going wrong in lcd_device_init, but I don't know what. 14.58.30 # hi 14.59.08 Quit bernych ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.02.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.02.32 # the comment at the end of the plugin struct /* Keep these at the bottom till fully proven */, is that still wnated at the bottom? 15.02.40 # all the recording stuff 15.03.08 # JdGordon: yes ... 'till preglow does a running DSP plugin 15.03.19 # okey dokey 15.04.11 # markun: not a word. maybe could pick a few words out if esperanto has any Spanishiness 15.05.11 # Let's add Elvish too while we're at it 15.05.38 # next time im bored im adding "drunked yobbo aussie" 15.05.47 # comeplte with full voice pack 15.06.18 # Ebonics too 15.06.27 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 15.08.19 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.10.29 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 15.10.35 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host148-139.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 15.15.05 # dan_a:One another question: when i turn off the LED, in init() method it don't evem makes screen whie 15.15.17 Part psiborg 15.15.22 # whie = white 15.16.10 # Gnelik: The LED (on the scroll wheel) shouldn't affect the screen at all. 15.16.49 # But it does 15.17.30 # It only turns LED off and not clear the screen how it did without led controling. 15.18.28 # How are you turning the LED off? Can you post the code on pastebin.ca? 15.20.49 # volatile unsigned int* ptr; 15.20.49 # ptr = (volatile unsigned int*)0x70000020; 15.20.49 # *ptr |= (1 << 13); 15.20.57 # *ptr |= (1 << 13); 15.21.12 # *ptr &= ~(1 << 13); 15.21.24 # in diferent places 15.23.30 # That has never done anything to the LCD screen on my Sansa 15.24.53 # I doesn't do anything 15.25.50 # http://pastebin.ca/252427 15.27.15 # It doesn't clear lcd 15.28.08 # ja 15.28.21 # ha 15.28.21 # I am stupid 15.28.47 # > /*lcd_init();*/ /*Turn it off for debug*/ 15.28.47 # :) 15.30.54 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.31.22 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p5498778C.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.32.01 # oh wtf?? i fixed these bloody warnings locally :'( 15.34.07 # jhMikeS: I finally found the correct dithering formula :D 15.34.37 # For 4-grey it is: level = (3 * bright + (bright >> 6) + delta) >> 8 15.36.35 Join bernych [0] (i=50533e9c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.39.10 # JdGordon: RED! 15.39.21 # mr impatient :p 15.39.24 # just commited fix 15.39.43 # * JdGordon blames the find in files feature of kate for that 15.39.56 # bloody typical that the buidls i tested worked :p 15.40.45 # JdGordon: kate has mangled a name in video.c 15.41.06 # :'( 15.41.36 # dan_a: it's to hard for me :( 15.41.49 # you guys need to stop using kate 15.41.55 # it's obviously completely unsuitable as an editor 15.42.10 # apart from tiny quirks its fine 15.42.24 # tiny quirks like changing stuff you don't touch yourself 15.42.30 # kscope does the same thing :( 15.42.44 # yeah, apart from that 15.43.01 # I thought i was doing so well to check for that before commiting tonight :'( 15.43.07 # amiconn, I'm trying to fix the radio poor reception in the X5, can you please have a look to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7411.0 15.43.35 # can someone fix that (c) message for me please? once its commited i cant.. 15.44.16 # bernych: I wonder what shift by 4kHz you're talking about 15.45.17 # Besides, the X5 doesn't use the philips tuner chip 15.45.29 # It uses DA-202 15.45.34 # looking at the CVS is you that added +16384 in the line that calculate the PLL counter 15.45.47 # Yes, for philips 15.46.00 # Yes, but the registers are the same 15.46.01 # However, that's just for rounding 15.46.34 # The probklem with the 32768Hz xtal is that you cannot tune exactly to a frequency 15.46.37 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.46.42 # For you this allowed a better reception? 15.47.34 # Integer arithmetics just round down, adding 16384 makes it round to the nearest frequency instead 15.48.36 # and for the High cut controller, there is a reason why is not enabled? 15.49.19 # I don't know 15.50.26 # I would like to check what the original firmware does, but I don't know how to disassemble it.... 15.57.21 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.13.55 # dan_a: on what are you working now if it isn't a secret 16.15.10 # Gnelik: Not Rockbox - work I get paid for, but don't want to be doing on a Sunday! 16.15.32 Quit hannesd ("Client suicide") 16.16.18 # amiconn: that's certainly cleaner 16.19.12 Quit merbanan ("Leaving") 16.19.42 # Gnelik: When I get some free time I'll have a look at the LCD thing, and let you know when I've got that working. 16.27.57 # JdGordon: I can't see how the Encoder Settings is coming up with a Not Done yet! 16.32.00 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 16.35.41 # I see it now 16.38.10 Join Id2ndR [0] (n=ubuntu@laf31-2-62-34-88-193.dsl.club-internet.fr) 16.41.59 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.53.04 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 16.57.02 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@23.243.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) 17.02.09 Join Blackfish` [0] (n=asd@p548359F8.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.02.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.04.19 Join Aldoliel [0] (n=Aldoliel@80-41-109-3.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 17.12.40 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd5f96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 17.26.10 Quit Blackfish` ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 17.26.16 Quit bernych ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.39.11 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 17.40.46 # dan_a: what turn's led off *ptr &= ~(1 << 13); or *ptr |= (1 << 13); 17.41.19 # ?? 17.44.01 Join NoRemorse [0] (n=noremors@c-75-68-222-26.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) 17.46.55 # hrmm somewhere, something is calling as instead of arm-elf-as and it's botching my build.. 17.50.41 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 17.51.46 # Gnelik: I think that when bit 13 is on, the LED is off - so *ptr |= (1 << 13); 17.51.52 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 17.51.56 # dan_a: 17.51.58 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 17.52.03 # I have 17.52.23 # Some result it executes to set_irq_level(0); 17.52.35 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.54.18 # Excellent news! 17.54.30 # 5 blinks 17.55.39 # Comment it and you'l see yellow scren 17.55.55 # It comes to logo 17.56.28 # man.. Makefile syntax is so crazy 17.57.47 # Can someone explain what this make line does? 17.57.52 # $(call PRINTS,AR+RANLIB $(@F))$(AR) ruv $@ $(OBJS) >/dev/null 2>&1 17.58.48 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 17.59.42 # dan_a:Greate news 17.59.43 # ! 18.00.06 # Gnelik: Do you mean you actually see the Rockbox logo? 18.00.26 # No 18.00.33 # Because of lcd driver 18.00.59 # But it goes very far 18.01.15 # :D 18.01.31 # gui_syncstatusbar_init(&statusbars); 18.01.34 # Exectly 18.01.46 # I didnt make blinks after that 18.02.15 # strogg: Calls ar to build an archive? 18.02.47 # Forget the first $() part, it just echoes the command. 18.03.26 # Lear: hrmm ok, thanks 18.05.34 # ok.. here's my problem.. I know what it is, but I can't figure out how to solve it.. 18.06.14 # when you first build from a clean source, the first thing it does is build the tools. For this, it needs a gcc and as for the host system. 18.06.27 # I've got gcc and as in my path, so all is good. 18.07.03 # but later when it's building the firmware, it's trying to use as instead of arm-elf-as, and it's giving me an error. 18.07.32 # You mean, despite using arm-elf-gcc? 18.08.33 # is there a way to make 'make' more verbose? I only see CC ata_idle_notify.c 18.08.41 # as: unrecognized option `-mcpu=arm7tdmi' 18.09.48 # Use 'make V=1' 18.10.15 # Hrmm. yeah, despite using arm-elf-gcc 18.10.31 # Could be that you have wrong binutils. (Similar problems happen on m68k with a too new binutils.) 18.10.31 # Can I paste the command and error? 18.10.32 Join Blackfish` [0] (n=asd@p54837049.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.10.47 # (it's a big gcc line. hehe) 18.11.11 # actually.. I better not.. it's pretty huge. 18.12.10 Quit Blackfish` (Client Quit) 18.12.14 # dan_a: it seems ata_init hangs up 18.12.19 # Lear: http://pastey.net/2547 18.12.45 # Yep, I do suspect a "bad" version of binutils. What does "arm-elf-as -v" say? 18.13.08 # GNU assembler version 2.15 (arm-elf) using BFD version 2.15 18.13.08 # Gnelik: Try using the version of ata-e200.c that is in CVS 18.14.29 # * Strogg wonders why no one else gets these errors when they build 18.14.45 # Strogg: Old version of binutils, it seems. 2.16.1 is known to work. 18.15.37 # hrmm ok.. I'll try and make a new toolchain and try again 18.17.37 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 18.18.26 Join sando [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 18.21.51 Quit Blackfish (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.22.01 # dan_a: ata_init() == 0 - no errors? 18.22.36 Quit NoRemorse ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 18.23.16 # Gnelik: I think so - but I can't remember for certain. I've not put error handling in the NAND driver yet 18.24.25 # dan_a:We come to Partition detection 18.25.22 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-41.net-81-220-108.rev.numericable.fr) 18.25.45 # With the driver in CVS (which does nothing,) partition detection will fail. 18.26.02 # I know 18.26.02 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.26.07 # It writes somethin 18.26.10 # g 18.26.34 # But only it can write is partition error 18.27.40 # We need NAND read to go further 18.27.45 # And lcd driver too 18.29.41 # Gnelik: OK. Which version of the Sansa do you have? 18.29.54 # 250 18.31.58 # I've been doing some more work on the patch, to clear up some warnings and to stop it including wmcodec.c - I'll post up a patch soon and make sure that the ATA driver is correct. 18.32.18 # It's possible that whatever is stopping the LCD driver working is stopping the ATA driver too. 18.33.47 # dan_a: 18.34.00 # Haw can i update with next patch 18.34.07 # with curent? 18.34.52 Quit sandoaway (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.35.42 # I don't think there is an easy way to do it. Have you made many changes? 18.36.05 # nope 18.36.11 # oly in main.c 18.36.34 # only 18.39.07 # The patch doesn't touch main.c, so you can roll back the old patch (patch -R -p1 < e200_3.patch) and then apply the new one. 18.39.52 # ok 18.40.13 # dan_a: Farest point for now dircashe init 18.41.40 # Again, that will rely on a working disk driver 18.46.40 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484C07C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.47.35 # dan_a:Gona go now.Bye. 18.47.51 # Gnelik: Bye. And thanks for your work on this. 18.48.11 Join senab [0] (n=chris@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.48.15 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-097-194.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.48.34 # man.. I've gotten all sorts of images to build, but none of them run on my ipod.. 18.48.43 Quit senab (Client Quit) 18.48.53 Join senab [0] (n=chris@82-35-229-48.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.49.33 # after installing the cross compiler, is it safe to delete build-rbdev? 18.49.46 # cus it's taking up 400mb 18.49.53 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.50.38 # Ok.. so, I've built an image from CVS, and I get an error on bootup.. "Prefetch abort at DEADBEEE".. I searched the forum, and there's a lot of erefences to a bug that's been fixed.. 18.50.47 # anyone know the info on this one? 18.51.01 # for what build? 18.51.07 # ipod video 18.51.12 # 30gb 18.51.31 # any patches? 18.51.54 # no patchs.. straight from CVS, with a toolchain that's built from the script in the tools directory 18.52.21 # That sounds like some kind of stack error 18.52.56 # lemme try again, just to make sure it's not some crazy screwup on my end.. 18.57.32 Quit senab (Remote closed the connection) 19.02.08 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 19.02.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.03.46 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 19.03.47 # jhMikeS: http://obo.gotdns.org:8000/borkborkbork.png :D 19.04.18 # :-D 19.04.18 # <[g2]> what command-line linux tool do you guys recommend for manipulating mp3 tags ? 19.15.03 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.17.12 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 19.18.24 # I am back again :) 19.19.14 # * Strogg rolls to disbelieve 19.19.43 Quit ompaul (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.22.13 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.24.05 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 19.29.30 Join bluebrother [0] (i=o5Wo4CNx@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.29.41 # mostly ot: i've got an iaudio x5 (rockbox working nicely thank you :) ). somewhere in the back of my brain something's telling me i once heard something about this being compatible with some ipod accessories. anybody know more than i do in this regard? 19.31.12 # well, if the accessory uses the dock connector... 19.32.05 # dan_a: new patch is fully without Nand driver? 19.32.21 # the dock looks vaguely similar (at a distance :) ) 19.33.33 # Gnelik: It is. The NAND driver is not ready to be committed yet, but I think that this patch can be, soon 19.34.23 # dan_a: What in driver isnt working yet?? 19.36.18 # I want to get reading above 4Gb working properly before it's committed. Also writing doesn't work and there is no error checking (which we will need to get fixed quickly) and the microSD slot isn't supported (which can wait a while) 19.36.39 Quit Ribs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.37.27 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.38.57 # dan_a: can it read and find partitions? 19.39.33 # Yes 19.40.32 # Do you have a time to work on sansa now? 19.40.35 Join Deef [0] (n=sdf@124-168-124-69.dyn.iinet.net.au) 19.40.46 # We need to invistigate lcd bug 19.41.09 # I do 19.42.27 Quit sando (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.46.32 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.49.22 # dan_a: I can't see any reason why it isn't working 19.50.55 # Gnelik: I've got one idea (I don't know if it's a good idea or not, though) - it might be that only certain areas of memory will work as the framebuffer. 19.51.21 # I think that the areas used should be in the .map files 19.54.25 # The sansa lcd hookup is serial?? 19.54.32 Join lost|X40 [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-250-39-195.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 19.54.49 # is old the current "stable release" or is it something else? 19.55.33 # There's a serial command connection (bit banged GPIO), but it reads the framebuffer itsself. 19.55.44 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.56.19 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 19.57.33 # There's a big difference in the addresses for the framebuffer in the bootloader and normal builds I have here... I wonder if that is it 19.57.55 # That's bad... 19.58.25 # Many parts of rockbox rely on framebuffer updates not showing up on th elcd immediately 19.58.56 # Guess the Sansa needs 2 framebuffers then, the rockbox framebuffer and the hardware framebzffer 19.59.20 # amiconn: I don't know - we tell the hardware when to read the FB 19.59.21 # At least updates will be simple, just one (or a bunch of) memcpy's 19.59.45 Quit XavierGr () 19.59.45 # dan_a: Can you tell it to only read a rectangular area? 19.59.58 # Not that we know of 20.00.30 # Hmm, perhaps that's not necessary, depending on how fast the hardware reads 20.01.14 # Is lcd_update_rect just used for performance, or could there be things outside that rectangle being updated? 20.02.10 # It's primarily used for performance, dunno whether there are parts of code which rely on outside areas not being transferred 20.02.26 # The update recatngle isn't pixel exact on all targets anyway 20.03.24 # I guess we'll wait and see if there are strange artifacts when we've got RB booting properly, and if neccessary introduce the double buffer. 20.03.46 # On mono & greyscale targets lcd_update_rect() may update more than the specified area 20.03.58 # It rounds up to full bytes 20.04.23 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.04.55 # The monochrome format consists of 1x8 pixel blocks, greyscale can be 1x4 pixel blocks (h1x0), 4x1 pixel blocks (greyscale ipods), or 1x8 pixel blocks (x5 remote) 20.06.37 # dan_a: nothing strange in .map files 20.07.37 # Gnelik: Look at the addresses for lcd_framebuffer in bootloader.map and rockbox.map - on mine they are a long way apart. 20.09.33 # I'm going to see what happens if I put the framebuffer in IRAM, just as an experiment 20.09.52 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 20.10.26 # dan_a: There might be another problem, provided that you remap the ram the same way as on the other pp targets 20.10.49 # The lcd controller might not follow the remapping, or have its own remap registers 20.11.49 # amiconn: We do remap in the same way. That would explain it not working. But isn't there some remapping happens in the bootloader? 20.12.51 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-226-213-147.tukw.qwest.net) 20.14.24 # <[g2]> dan_a any info on the JTAG BSDL for the sansa ? 20.15.02 # [g2]: Sorry, I don't know anything about JTAG 20.15.44 # <[g2]> dan_a it sounds like you are doing some sansa development 20.16.08 # dan_a: look at boot.lds 20.16.12 # and app.lds 20.16.25 # [g2]: We do 20.17.40 # <[g2]> Gnelik dan_a last time I e-mailed Daniel S. a couple weeks ago there wasn't any information about the BDSL file for using the JTAG on the Sansa e series 20.18.07 Quit midkay (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.18.32 # * [g2] would like to be able to hook up JTAG then be able to do HW debugging and have complete control over unit 20.19.05 # <[g2]> it'll be interesting what NV does with the PP line 20.19.16 # dan_a: Ha 20.19.42 # Try this: copy #elif CONFIG_CPU == PP5024 20.19.42 # #define DRAMORIG 0x10000000 20.19.42 # #define IRAMORIG 0x40000000 20.19.42 DBUG Enqueued KICK Gnelik 20.19.42 # #define IRAMSIZE 0x18000 20.19.42 # #define FLASHORIG 0x001f0000 20.19.43 *** Alert Mode level 1 20.19.43 # #define FLASHSIZE 2M 20.19.45 # to apps.lds 20.20.26 # Gnelik: does that work? 20.20.36 # Nope 20.20.46 # I didn't try 20.20.51 # But it can 20.22.42 # Gnelik: I'm just on the phone at the moment - I'll try when I'm off the phone. I suspect amiconn might be right though. 20.22.47 Quit Deef () 20.25.34 # dan_a: I am mega programer 20.25.38 # :))))))))))))))))))))) 20.25.45 # I see logo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20.25.54 # nice 20.28.24 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 20.29.44 *** Alert Mode OFF 20.37.08 # <[g2]> Gnelik did you just get the sanse LCD working ? 20.37.13 # <[g2]> sansa 20.37.26 # Yep 20.37.30 # On normal buils 20.37.39 # <[g2]> ~praise Gnelik dan_a 20.37.57 # <[g2]> I guess there's not bot in here 20.38.04 # <[g2]> that does that 20.38.21 # <[g2]> Gnelik dan_a _congrats_ ! 20.38.51 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.38.53 # <[g2]> Gnelik is that an svn build ? 20.39.02 Quit Aldoliel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.39.47 # Gnelik: Why does that work? 20.40.05 # dan_a: I did that i tell you 20.40.47 # I know. The other PP targets don't need to do that - why does Sansa? 20.41.13 # I don't know 20.41.39 # I think it proves amiconn right. 20.42.55 # i need nand driver 20.43.01 # ehm 20.43.06 # can you give me what you have 20.43.14 # you use that in the lds file and still remap memory? 20.44.47 # dan_a:???? 20.46.40 # Gnelik: I've just msg'd you a place you can download them from 20.47.11 # I don't think that putting that in the lds file is right, even if it works. 20.48.41 # I don't think so to 20.49.12 # It looks like we need to give the LCD driver the unremapped address of the lcd_framebuffer. Is there a clean way to find that? 20.49.16 # is the pp5024 lcd controller external? 20.49.28 # No, it's built in 20.49.33 # then weird 20.49.50 # but no, no clean way i can think of apart from just applying the hard coded offset 20.50.10 # which is 0x10000000 20.50.29 # try putting the framebuffer in iram 20.51.12 Join readonmylips [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.51.42 # I thought I had in a test I did - but I've just checked the .map file and it is still in DRAM... oops! 20.52.10 # heh 20.55.24 # Odd. I've got "#define IRAM_LCDFRAMEBUFFER IDATA_ATTR" in my config-e200.h, but the framebuffer is going into DRAM. 20.56.24 # Ah, found it! 20.57.15 Quit newbyx86 (Remote closed the connection) 20.57.44 # dan_a: What 20.57.50 # ??? 20.58.03 # I cant write to screen but Show colo can 20.58.26 # dan_a: There is a reason why we need to remap for mainline: the arm interrupt vector table can only reside at address zero 20.59.05 # Gnelik: edit firmware/export/config.h and add PP5024 to the list of defines for IRAM, at the bottom of the file 20.59.25 # bbl 20.59.28 Quit amiconn (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 20.59.39 # And kill my defenations? 21.00.56 # Gnelik: Yes 21.02.05 # boot with hold to clear settings seriously needs to be reconsidered D: 21.02.12 # Ah. There's a problem with putting the framebuffer in IRAM. 21.02.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.06.19 # dan_a: it don't working 21.06.46 # Gnelik: No. The framebuffer is too big 21.11.08 # Can we do something wit it 21.11.12 # ??? 21.11.16 # wit = with 21.12.33 # Right now I'm testing it by putting the framebuffer in IRAM, and setting IRAMSIZE to 0x20000 - which doesn't leave any IRAM for the plugins. 21.13.26 # What I'm going to do is test applying an offset to the framebuffer address that we give to the LCD driver, and having the framebuffer in DRAM 21.13.34 # at 0x18000 it works normaly 21.14.27 # That leaves 0x2000 bytes for plugins. 21.14.29 # sansa port dev --> YOU ROCK ! 21.14.39 # Thank you! 21.14.46 Quit Siku (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.14.53 # We are %) 21.15.24 # i think they smell funny 21.15.27 # why framebuffer is so big 21.15.32 # just finished the daily log and its far better than any others lectures (readings?) 21.15.42 # isn't it bigger in iP Video? 21.16.05 Quit rconan (Remote closed the connection) 21.16.48 # Screen i biger there? 21.17.03 # i = is 21.17.05 # It is, but it doesn't put it in IRAM 21.17.29 # What did you need to take out of init() to get show_logo to work? 21.17.33 # Lets put it there 21.17.38 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496712C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.18.00 # ser_irq_level 21.18.41 Join pagefault [0] (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) 21.18.47 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.48 # is that all? 21.18.49 # test on real hardware will block me to read with "normal" firmware and actual mp3 library ? 21.19.14 # dan_a: yep 21.19.37 # readonmylips: At the moment, yes - but when you put the original firmware back on, you can read your MP3 library again 21.20.46 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.20.55 Quit Id2ndR ("Parti") 21.21.00 # Hahahaha! "No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it" I think that means I'm writing to the screen :D 21.21.46 # ok. and what do have to do to test your firmware ? my cvs dir -with rockbox-dev is done and updated 21.21.53 # What did you do 21.22.17 # dan_a:???? 21.22.20 Join tomal [0] (n=tomek@84-72-153-187.dclient.hispeed.ch) 21.22.55 # Gnelik: I put the LCD framebuffer in IRAM. Next to move it back to DRAM 21.23.45 # readonmylips: You need to patch with e200_4.patch from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6336 21.24.07 # it didnt write me about partitions 21.24.42 # I'm using the dummy ATA driver, not the one which reads the disk. 21.26.05 # dan_a: i made buffer lager but it don't shows a logo 21.26.49 # Gnelik: Have you edited firmware/export/config-e200.h to put the framebuffer in IRAM? 21.27.05 # nope 21.27.12 # Try that 21.28.29 # Where? 21.28.43 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.28.43 # I can't see the place 21.29.32 # #define IRAM_LCDFRAMEBUFFER IDATA_ATTR /* put the lcd frame buffer in IRAM */ 21.31.08 # How do we put buffer to DRAM? 21.32.05 # Comment that line out, like it is in CVS 21.32.58 # :) 21.33.11 # Grrr. It dont swo log 21.33.24 # It don't shows logo 21.33.54 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.37.20 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 21.37.39 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 21.38.26 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.40.34 # dan_a: When i changed apps.lds 21.40.43 # it was in DRAM i think 21.40.53 # It was. 21.41.32 # DRAMORIG 0x10000000 was changed 21.41.42 # maybe this effects? 21.43.19 # It does. In a normal build, DRAM is remapped from 0x10000000 to 0x00000000. But the LCD controller doesn't know about this. 21.43.44 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.44.01 # If you tell the linker that DRAM is at 0x10000000, then it will put the framebuffer where the LCD controller can see it, but you will break all sorts of other things 21.44.23 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.44.23 # * Bagder just handed out some more sansa research 21.44.29 # Yay! 21.44.30 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 21.45.48 # Bye 21.46.00 # Gona go now 21.46.03 # See you later 21.46.13 # cya 21.47.04 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.47.38 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 21.48.14 Part n1s 21.48.56 # Woo! Manufacturing mode! 21.49.40 # whats that ? 21.50.34 # It could potentially help us unbrick a Sansa 21.53.29 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-38-204.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.54.25 # Hey, I've just put a set of patches to FS (#6357). They change codecs memory layout and save some memory. 21.55.01 # Could someone test and comment them? Rockbox on iFP doesn't yet work well enough. 21.58.49 # tomal: the last one looks interesting 21.59.09 # Yes, but even considering temporary mallocs, Tremor can be quite memory hungry... 21.59.17 # well, that's how it was designed 22.00.54 # annoyingly 22.01.50 Quit SUSaiyan (Remote closed the connection) 22.01.57 Quit Febs ("Chatzilla 0.9.76 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 22.02.32 # Apparantly that was based on a guess on how embedded platforms would evolve... 22.03.23 # yeah, i read that somewhere 22.03.32 # problem is, he wasn't really wrong 22.03.34 # just half wrong :> 22.03.47 # Another point, AAC is actually quite malloc hungry too, for large files. The current way the seek tables are created uses lots of memory. 22.03.52 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=susaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 22.03.56 # ugh, aac 22.04.01 # i really want to be rid of faad 22.04.41 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 22.05.10 # We could ditch SBR and PS. Neither the iPod nor the Zune supports that anyway... 22.05.25 Nick spug is now known as slappfisk (n=Spug@nygaard.ping.uio.no) 22.05.50 # we probably should, yes 22.06.08 # maybe then it would fit in iFP memory 22.06.09 # at least for now 22.06.18 Join rotator [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 22.06.30 # the only format apart from aac-lc that is used, is aac+sbr+ps 22.06.35 # Btw, are SBR files realtime on iPod as it is now? 22.06.35 Nick slappfisk is now known as spug (n=Spug@nygaard.ping.uio.no) 22.06.38 # and i don't think we can make that work realtime 22.06.47 # Lear: i sincerely doubt it, even lc files are barely realtime 22.06.53 # sbr adds considerable complexity 22.07.11 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-6-197.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.07.15 # besides, i have no sbr files with which to test 22.07.33 # You can create them with the Nero encoder. 22.07.49 # is there a linux binary around 22.07.50 # ? 22.08.21 # There's been talk about it at least, but I don't know the status. 22.08.27 # tried sbr on iriver? 22.08.57 # i wonder what the hell's up with aac in ffmpeg 22.09.08 # Yep. Not realtime. Several tables not in IRAM is one reason. 22.09.16 # how far from realtime? 22.09.30 # tables? does it need lots of them? sounds weird 22.10.14 # Pretty bad, but I haven't any measurements. I'd guess less than half realtime. 22.10.25 # doesn't sound unreasonable by far 22.10.46 # i really wouldn't use sbr for anything but streaming anyway 22.10.56 # do plugins for rockbox have to be specificly designed for rockbox 22.11.03 # I don't remember exactly, but table constants, like sine or cosine tables. 22.11.04 # or is there a decent way to compile generic code? 22.11.09 # and as far as i know, there's no point in using aac at so low bitrates. vorbis both sounds better and is easier to decompress than aac+sbr 22.11.25 # Martian67: well, the api interface is rockbox specific, sure 22.11.45 # if you mean an easy way to just port some c program, then no 22.11.47 # was thinking how cool a scummvm port would be for higher end players 22.12.02 # i think someone's actually had a look at scummvm 22.12.02 # but it would require alot of work 22.12.04 # but no, not easy 22.12.19 # it should be possible 22.12.22 # its runs of the DXZ 22.12.23 # *DS 22.12.40 # ahh 22.12.41 # scummvm is c++ 22.12.48 # then it sure as hell won't be easy 22.12.58 # nope :( 22.13.02 # or we'll get a busload of extra linkage 22.13.20 # hi, is anybody here who has experience with the h120 rs-232 connection and/or the commit by LinusN to enable logf output through it? 22.13.38 # would have to be a reimplentation 22.13.40 # aka alot of work 22.13.44 # I have built an adapter and it works with the OF as described at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#TXD_RXD_connectors but not with rockbox :( 22.13.44 # roolku: afaik, only LinusN has used that 22.14.13 # just imagine how cool maniac mansion would be :) 22.14.18 # dott! 22.14.20 # badger: okay, I'll see if I can catch him 22.15.05 # but c++ in rockbox shouldn't be exactly impossible, at least for plugins. you'd need to not use iostream, also we'd need to code a malloc and use it to wrap operator new 22.15.18 # stuff like exception handling we'd want to disable, i gues 22.15.19 # s 22.15.25 # i think i discovered something concerning usb...not all usb ports are created equal...i was getting a net gain on battery charge on a computer at work on my ipod 22.15.32 # it charged to 100% while playing 22.16.01 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 22.16.05 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-245.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 22.16.14 # doesn't do that on my computers at home 22.16.24 # or imagine a GNASH player for higher end models :) 22.16.33 # that could be pretty cool 22.17.24 # yes, flash, that's what i need on my dap... 22.17.46 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 22.17.50 # preglow: who cares, its all pretty gimmiky anyway :) 22.18.01 # who need sudoku or chess :P 22.18.29 # can hardly wait for a full 5.5 port 22.18.50 # although no comlaints on the current, ipod firmware sucks anyway 22.20.51 # Can anyone tell me how the bitmap build system works? The Rockbox logo seems to be being made as an RGB565SWAPPED image, which doesn't look good on an RGB565 screen 22.21.38 # dan_a: it should be controlled by the configure file 22.21.46 # bmp2rb_native="$rootdir/tools/bmp2rb -f 5" 22.22.02 # Thank you 22.22.39 # I've got the cache flush written, and we're starting to get somewhere 22.22.50 # great! 22.24.46 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.25.05 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-213-238.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 22.27.02 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 22.36.12 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.40.42 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 22.41.30 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034073250.nb.aliant.net) 22.41.57 # I am having my trouble booting my iPod in Rockbox or Original firmware! 22.42.46 # describe "trouble" 22.42.59 # Rockbox error: -1 22.43.09 # Loading original firmware... 22.43.12 # that is it 22.43.20 # even if I hold down the menu button 22.43.34 # holding the menu button will boot the original firmware 22.43.42 # do you have the .rockbox folder on your ipod? 22.43.55 # and the rockbox.ipod file? 22.44.01 # I should 22.44.12 # I cant get into the disc to do anything about it 22.44.23 # you can't plug it into USB? 22.44.29 # you should be able to 22.44.38 # reboot and hols select and play 22.44.41 # hold 22.44.51 # yeah.. the ipod has a rescue disk mode.. 22.45.10 # scorche: thanks 22.45.11 # well.. -the +my 22.45.13 # that let me in 22.45.19 # well, even still, you can get to it from the apple firmware too 22.45.39 # that was the problem... it wouldnt even boot apple firmware 22.45.51 # did you give it some time? 22.46.00 # +1 minute... 22.46.07 # hmmm... 22.46.28 # Ok, I have to go, if anyone takes a look at my patches, please comment them in FS. 22.46.28 # dont worry about it for now...copy the .ipod file and the .rockbox folder for now, and then you can test it later ;) 22.46.32 # Bye. 22.46.35 Part tomal 22.46.53 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=spader@adsl-144-238-178.mia.bellsouth.net) 22.47.11 # anyone know where itunes 7 keeps the firmware files? 22.47.45 # There, back in. The zip file didnt unzip properly :/ 22.47.57 # or the iPod didnt unmount properly 22.48.20 # all is good now. Thanks! 22.48.24 Part Terinjokes 22.48.32 # yeah, be sure to "eject" it before disconnecting ;) 22.48.39 # every time i plug out the USB cable, my H300 says "scanning directories..." or something, even though i always unmount it first 22.49.15 # how come? 22.49.27 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.50.27 # are you "ejecting" or "unmounting"? these are different things, at least in linux 22.51.18 # I am using linux 22.51.27 # I usually just use KDE to unmount/eject 22.51.35 # they call it "Safely remove" 22.51.45 # yeah, ubuntu says eject 22.51.51 # but they basically evoke the eject command 22.52.01 # which "safely" unmounts it 22.52.33 # strange thing is though, is that it never shows the checkmark on the ipod 22.52.39 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=spader@adsl-144-238-178.mia.bellsouth.net) 22.52.41 # i accidentally discovered that using unmount was bad, heh 22.52.47 # it always still shows the do not eject symbol 22.52.53 # weird 22.52.55 # anyone? iPod Updater no longer exists 22.52.57 # what is wrong with unmount? 22.53.10 # when i use eject in ubuntu and rhel4 it gives me the checkmark 22.53.20 # niskel: it doesn't flush the buffers to disk 22.53.29 # i ended up with file corruption 22.54.04 # well, at least for removable devices 22.54.12 # so to properly eject, would just doing an 'eject /dev/sdg' work? 22.54.16 # yeah 22.54.17 # where /dev/sdg is the ipod 22.54.22 # Hrmm, tomal never stays for long :/ 22.56.58 # niskel: also, with my new 4gb usb drive, i noticed that even though the os says it's done copying, the drive itself indicated it was still writing to the drive...~2gb kept showing the indication for about 2 minutes after os said it was done...unmount would kill that immediately, whereas eject would allow that to finish 22.57.03 # at least in my experience 22.57.06 # any ideas? 22.57.22 # on what? 22.57.43 # where i can find the ipod firmware, now that ipod updater is gone 22.59.07 # Nimdae: I can only eject if I am root :/ 22.59.45 # Terinjokes: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ipodupdater20060628forwindows.html this? 23.01.11 # Lear: Tried your colour stripes with the updated dithering yet? 23.01.30 # so in linux, is eject and umount the same or not? 23.01.49 # No, but I can do a quick test... 23.01.49 # Nimdae: you said both that it was and that it wasn't? 23.02.20 # it is not 23.02.29 # ok 23.02.31 # It should work. I tried with (85,85,85), (170,170,170) and (255,255,255) 23.02.32 # eject is the command to pen the cd drive 23.02.45 # or an device that can be opened 23.02.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.03.02 # All these give solid greylevels as they should 23.03.07 # unmount is the command to detach an filesystem from the system 23.03.16 # great! thanks, now only if i had windows 23.03.43 # Best thing is that the new formula even saves a few insns on coldfire 23.03.48 # some systems have a newer command that allows an user to mount unmount 23.03.55 # but if i first eject the device, i can't unmount it afterwards? 23.03.56 # pmount and pumount 23.04.36 # depends on the device 23.04.40 Join nick89 [0] (n=nick89@c210-49-99-250.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 23.04.45 # which device had you ejected? 23.04.54 # iriver H300 23.05.05 # and irive cannot be ejected 23.05.09 # jhMikeS: I guess you use white foreground colour. That makes the selection frame in solitaire vanish completely... 23.05.10 # amiconn: yes, those were the colors I found to be dither free too. 23.05.14 # it only can be unmounted 23.05.24 # i can successfully run the eject command on it though 23.05.37 # rfl 23.05.51 # you can argument as long as you want 23.05.51 # kkurbjun removed too much... 23.05.56 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 23.05.56 # dionoea: around? 23.05.56 # you have problems not me 23.06.00 # amiconn: looked fine. 23.06.41 # blue_lizard: i'm not saying that eject works fine, because i get the scanning directories message, just saying that the command works with no error messages and that's why i thought it worked okay 23.06.52 # but pumount is perfect, thanks a lot 23.07.39 Quit GreyFoux (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.08.38 # spug: eject will unmount the device, but it will flush to disk first, allowing safe unmount, so no, they aren't the same 23.09.27 # Nimdae: umount doesn't flush first? 23.09.46 # of course it does 23.09.46 # not in my experience 23.10.07 # i would have to dump my usb drive to disk and play with it to see for sure 23.10.09 # umount and pumount remain blocked til the device is flushed 23.10.20 # ... eject is the only way I can get my iPod show a check mark indicating safe removal if that means anything 23.10.37 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-73-212.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.10.45 # the only time i've had umount be blocked is when it was in use 23.10.48 Part Terinjokes 23.11.09 # when a device was in use i mean 23.11.09 # eject likely sends some kind of usb-eject command to the device. 23.11.12 # i couldn't umount my iriver because it wasn't in fstab, so i always used eject 23.11.24 # i didn't know about pumount of course 23.11.37 # well, i've had file corruption using umount ;) 23.11.48 # maybe it was just a coincidence though 23.11.48 # I didn't think umount cares about fstab.. I thought it only looks at mtab 23.11.53 # pmount and pumount is the reason the device is not needed in fstab anymore 23.11.59 # or maybe even /proc 23.12.11 # afaik if an entry is not in mtab, it checks proc, then fstab 23.12.14 # * Strogg will have to check out pmount sometime 23.12.22 # Nimdae: that sounds sane 23.12.33 # gnome-volume-manager and afaik even kde uses pmount 23.12.47 # i'll have to look at pmount as well 23.12.56 # kde does use pmount 23.13.02 # ooh. nice. debian comes pre-setup with it 23.13.19 # ah, pmount looks to just be a non-superuser wrapper for hotpluggable devices 23.14.12 # you specify the device, it grabs the label if a label wasn't specified, and mounts it under /media 23.14.26 # that's good to know 23.15.09 # nifty 23.17.04 Join ndansmith [0] (n=nathan@c-67-168-234-215.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 23.17.32 # a further nifty thing are custom rules for usb devices 23.18.00 # i as an example have my iriver allways mounted as USB-HD-iRive 23.18.02 # r%n 23.18.24 # and the other known devices hav their own names too 23.19.13 # have there been advances in reducing battery load on the ipod? 23.19.23 # i seem to be getting a net gain on battery charge on my desktop now 23.19.28 # very small 23.19.50 # but after quite some time of playing (including some skipping, playlist changing, etc), i have a 6% increase 23.20.13 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.20.58 # maybe my ipod is special 23.23.22 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 23.24.10 Quit webguest00 ("CGI:IRC") 23.24.13 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 23.27.48 # hi 23.28.05 # rockbox recent cvs are crashing on wav playing on iriver H300 23.28.41 Quit pagefault ("Leaving") 23.32.43 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=spader@adsl-144-238-178.mia.bellsouth.net) 23.33.07 # any ideas on how to extract the firmware from iPod_14.1.3.ipsw? 23.33.41 # that's the latest firmware for the 1G iPod Nano 23.35.01 # noooo, Rockbox is more recent ;-) 23.35.40 # Bagder, true, except i would like 14.1.3 OF and rockbox ;-) 23.36.00 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.36.02 # I figured there was a catch somewhere... :-) 23.36.28 # hopefully apple restored playback in OF when rockbox is also on the ipod :-) 23.37.26 Join scorche` [0] (n=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 23.37.26 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.37.28 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 23.37.31 # any ideas on extracting the firmware? 23.37.32 # What the.. 23.37.46 # Rockbox is playing a song with a path of length > MAX_PATH 23.37.49 # How does that work 23.38.24 # Unless my counting's off. 23.41.02 # hrm, maybe... 23.43.37 # Is rockbox strlen utf8 aware, or does a utf8-aware strlen exist? 23.43.55 Part Terinjokes 23.44.16 # * ompaul congradulates the devs of this rather nice piece of software 23.44.23 # I am completely stumped as to how to use the virtual keyboard to save a .cf on my iPod Mini 2g 23.44.39 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.44.40 # rasher: utf8length() 23.44.58 Quit scorche (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.45.18 # markun: Ah, excellent. Do filenames entered with the vkeyboard get input as utf8? 23.46.07 # yes, I think so 23.46.57 # So if ( utf8length(newname) + 1 > MAX_PATH ) { 23.47.58 # would be a sensible check before creating a new fat entry? 23.48.18 # (I'll have to check the filename has not been converted to .. uh.. whatsit.. UCS.. something.. yet 23.48.38 # fat entries are limited to 255 ucs-2 chars 23.49.05 # That limit is from fat specifications 23.49.12 # Oh right, the name there is the individual entry, not the full path 23.49.15 # vfat I mean 23.49.30 # Is it checked that the full path is not > MAX_PATH as well? 23.49.56 # Path length is not part of the vfat specs 23.50.07 # It is according to 23.50.09 # eh 23.50.11 # I don't know whether rockbox checks this, but I guess it does 23.50.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5939#comment11704 23.52.13 # Indeed it is 23.52.27 # I still think someone with a clue should extend fat_checkname to check for illegal characters and such 23.52.38 # Right now it just checks that the name doesn't end with "." 23.52.48 # Howver, the specs are unclear about what characters it refers to 23.53.32 # I _guess_ it refers to ucs-2 as well 23.53.37 # I would assume that as well 23.53.44 # As in, the characters that the user sees 23.53.59 # A 260-char ucs-2 path can well exceed 260 bytes when expressed as utf-8 23.54.38 # Worst case, it could be 4*259+1, right? 23.54.50 # nah 23.55.07 # ucs-2 can only represent the unicode bmp 23.55.17 # Ah okay 23.55.26 # ..and the 260 chars include the trailing \0 23.55.39 # so 3*259+1 23.55.39 # ...so th elast char is always a single byte 23.55.48 # yes 23.56.03 # That's... rather a lot more than 260 bytes 23.56.18 # Hmm, in fact a few bytes less 23.56.46 # Oh yeah, there's a leading slash? 23.56.50 # A filename can't be longer than 255 chars, so a path longer than 255 chars must contain at least one path separator 23.57.12 # so 3*257+3 23.57.13 # ...and rockbox paths are always absolute, so the first is also a slash 23.57.29 # Still a hefty increase 23.57.47 # I say we go back to pure ASCII for everything. 23.58.07 # haha 23.58.16 # Well, is Rockbox doing anything smart here, or is it simply assuming that everything goes well? 23.58.27 # I dunno 23.58.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5736