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00.00.05 #       <spug> hehe
00.00.42 #       <miepchen^schlaf> nano support would be nice
00.00.47 #       <Terinjokes> and my 'Tast-o-meter' works now, reports 'your compatibility rating with Spug is "Medium"'
00.00.56 #       <Strogg> that's awesome
00.01.06 #       <Strogg> I'll have to check out your lastfm stuff. hehe
00.01.55 #       <Terinjokes> Spug, sent you a friend request (grr..sounds like myspace.....)
00.02.07 #       <spug> :)
00.02.36 #       <Terinjokes> i'm user Terinjokes BTW, in case anyone want to look at what i listen to
00.03.05 #       <PaulPosition> bwaaaha.. myspace. Was great for learning about events and shows, but now that lastfm does it, you think I'm ever going to load up a myspace page again?  :p
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00.03.31 #       <Terinjokes> yep, mine, because mine is cool! :)
00.03.41 #       <Terinjokes> oh, myspace, no...place sucks
00.03.48 #       <PaulPosition> theeehee..
00.04.19 #       <hachi> can I get anyone to lay odds that rockbox will dual boot and work okay on the 5.5G 80G ipod in say... 4 months time?
00.04.49 #       <spug> my uneducated guess is that it'll work okay in 4 months
00.04.56 #       <spug> but the development is unpredictable really
00.05.04 #       <PaulPosition> I'd say odds are good, the platform is interresting for sure so I'd say someone will get interrested.
00.05.06 #       <Terinjokes> progress has been slow...IDK really, its a whole new system, i'm very dobuous
00.05.54 #       <hachi> how does the debugging of stuff get done, guess and check? or is there a way to attach a debugger of some kind?
00.05.55 #       <PaulPosition> Progress was slow on the ARM too.. It's snowball effect, where some small things can lead to big things...  then nothing new for a while until..
00.07.01 #       <hachi> I love how the status page is like 'check the forums'... and the thread on the forums is 18 pages long
00.07.04 #       <hachi> that's why I'm asking here
00.07.14 #       <spug> hehe
00.07.16 #       <PaulPosition> guess and check, mostly, I think.
00.07.27 #       <spug> yeah, well, as you can see on the forums, they're actively developing it
00.07.33 #       <spug> the thread is updated almost daily
00.07.41 #       <spug> so i guess they're making progress steadily
00.07.49 #       <hachi> I do want to smack people on the forums... every so often someone posts
00.07.54 #       <spug> unlike what the nano 2G thread gives me the impression of
00.07.58 #       <hachi> "I got rockbox working on my 5.5g"
00.08.24 #       <hachi> *smack* what SIZE dimwit?
00.08.35 #       <PaulPosition> first thing first.. Get a main() function to execute. Get it to lit up the lcd. Then hack away.  (That's a few days work already me think)
00.08.56 #       <PaulPosition> lol
00.09.10 #       <PaulPosition> Yeah, I guess that's why the devs don't use the forum all that much.
00.09.11 #       <hachi> well, then I'll go get one today... and hope that it gets working sometime soon :)
00.09.24 #       <PaulPosition> Wouldn't you rather wait.
00.09.37 #       <PaulPosition> And buy it for a lower price anyway when the news breaks that it DOES work?
00.09.41 #       <Strogg> buy a used one on ebay and get something supported. hehe
00.09.46 #       <hachi> no, I'd rather try and force it to work... I'm an engineer, I like breaking things :)
00.10.08 #       * Terinjokes wonders why recommended radio suddenlt turned french...
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00.10.55 #       <PaulPosition> recommended Radio ?  last.fm?
00.11.09 #       <Terinjokes> sí
00.11.17 #       <hachi> how do you reset ipods anyways? mash a few buttons?
00.11.28 #       <Terinjokes> menu+select
00.11.41 #       <hachi> ahh
00.12.05 #       <Terinjokes> doesn't work on the 3G, but IDK what does
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00.12.25 #       <rasher> http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-10/0014.shtml pretty thorough look at where the 5.5G 80gb ipod won't boot
00.12.52 #       <Terinjokes> any 4.5 nano support?
00.13.46 #       <spug> you mean 2G?
00.13.58 #       <Terinjokes> sí
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00.14.14 #       <spug> not yet
00.14.26 #       <hachi> thanks!
00.14.33 #       <Terinjokes> i got a 1G, but really want a 2G
00.14.43 #       <spug> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0
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00.15.29 #       <JdGordon> morning all
00.15.45 #       <PaulPosition> 'night dude. ;)
00.16.16 #       <Terinjokes> 'night
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00.16.41 #       <Terinjokes> opps, *I* clicked the close button, LOL
00.17.41 #       <JdGordon> does anyone know how much over the rombox buids are?
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00.25.13 #       <maquis> I have a question about setting up the rockboxui simulator on linux.
00.26.07 #       <rasher> You should ask it, then
00.26.18 #       <maquis> whenever i try to play an mp3 while in the simulator, it just displays "bad codec" on the simulator screen, and no sound comes out
00.26.24 #       <maquis> rasher: sorry :)
00.26.41 #       <JdGordon> did you do make install after the build?
00.27.02 #       <rasher> Are you using x86_64?
00.27.05 #       <maquis> the errors say that it's trying to open mpa.codec, and that it's unable to open _temp_codec0.dll
00.27.19 #       <maquis> rasher: i'm using x86
00.27.37 #       <Strogg> Is there a way to make rockbox read a conf file on bootup? or is there a default name that is always loaded?
00.27.43 #       <maquis> JdGordon: for the UI?  I thought so, i can try again, though.
00.27.57 #       <Strogg> it's a nuisance to have to go to manage settings to load my config each time I turn it on
00.28.38 #       <maquis> i was trying to do the simulator and the build at the same time...
00.28.42 #       <Terinjokes> Strogg, are you properly shutting down the system?
00.28.43 #       <JdGordon> Strogg: not yet, im working on this... and you dont have to.. you an just "run" the .cfg from the file browser
00.29.05 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: ooh.. I didn't know that.
00.29.24 #       <Strogg> Terinjokes: likely not, but still..
00.30.05 #       <Terinjokes> does anybody know if rockbox and OF daul-boot correctly on the 1G nano? they both load on mine, but OF contains no files...
00.30.22 #       <Terinjokes> s /files/songs
00.30.22 #       <maquis> JdGordon: looks like i must've messed that up...  thanks
00.30.26 #       <JdGordon> np
00.30.34 #       <rasher> Terinjokes: have you put on any songs with iTunes?
00.30.39 #       <Terinjokes> all of them
00.30.57 #       <rasher> Hm. Right, there was a problem like that once, I thought it was fixed
00.31.51 #       <Terinjokes> there was the option to downgrade the OF to a version that worked, and it did, but it would corrupt the bootloader every couple of boots
00.40.47 #       <Strogg> Man.. the battery life in the simulator is brutal. heheh
00.43.25 #       <Terinjokes> Strogg, i still envy you
00.43.33 #       <Strogg> mmm?
00.43.33 #       * Terinjokes runs windows xp in the simulator
00.44.13 #       <Terinjokes> how do you double click with rockingwinbox?
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00.49.56 #       <obo> could someone add "target/arm/iriver/*.[chS]" to /firmware/FILES - the h10 cannot be built from a source tarball - missing 2 .h files
00.50.43 #       <Strogg> Hrmmm.. check the wiki.. I remember it saying something about not building the bootloader
00.51.46 #       <Strogg> Ahh.. that's the other iriver's..
00.52.00 #       <rasher> obo: done
00.52.10 #       <obo> thanks :)
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01.07.33 #       <spug> the iriver h300 has a Li-Pol battery?
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01.19.33 #       <Soap> OSU FTW
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01.25.26 #       <blue_lizard> spug: yes 1300ma
01.28.23 #       <spug> okay, thanks
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02.30.59 #       <spug> once i've flashed the firmware on the H300, i can safely delete the H300.hex file?
02.31.07 #       <rasher> YEs
02.31.31 #       <spug> ok, thanks
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02.54.25 #       <JdGordon> jhMikeS: you around?
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03.08.13 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: here and there
03.08.34 #       <JdGordon> do the recording menus and stuff need fixxing after your big commit eariler?
03.09.28 #       <jhMikeS> which of the  big commits
03.09.43 #       <JdGordon> the recent recording overhauls
03.09.57 #       <JdGordon> as in.. since sepetember
03.10.33 #       <jhMikeS> they shouldn't, why do you ask?
03.11.00 #       <JdGordon> because im working on trying to get the settings and menu stuff commited this week and checking if that will need fixing
03.11.37 #       <jhMikeS> oh  you mean re: the settings changes. I think they should be updated to use real values at the least
03.11.43 #       <spug> speaking of recording settings: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7408.0
03.12.52 #       <jhMikeS> basically means getting rid of global_to_encoder_config and encoder_to_global_config stuff
03.14.25 #       <jhMikeS> I agree with that. Should be able to specify/browse to a directory and have it stick. I'd rather use the same dirs for both firmwares as well.
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03.15.14 #       <JdGordon> yeah, i almost never record, but i thinks ts silly not being allowed to choose the folder
03.15.16 #       <Martian67> do the general rockbox builds work on 5.5gen?
03.15.19 #       <JdGordon> no
03.15.26 #       <Martian67> as long as i have the bootloader properly installed?
03.15.30 #       <JdGordon> no
03.15.36 #       <JdGordon> 5.5g is not ready yet
03.15.44 #       <rasher> JdGordon: Well, get cracking on file-config then
03.15.52 #       <Martian67> i had it working, i just wanted a newer rockbox build
03.16.04 #       <rasher> It's the only reason for the current method
03.16.16 #       <spug> if i were better at programming, i'd make a patch :/
03.16.51 #       <rasher> spug: It's quite involved. Unless you just want to add "RECORD"
03.16.55 #       <rasher> As a choice
03.17.09 #       <JdGordon> rasher: well, it could be done now, just using the vkeyboard to type the name..
03.17.18 #       <rasher> JdGordon: But how would you save the setting?
03.17.33 #       <spug> rasher: that'd probably suffice
03.17.36 #       <Martian67> JdGordon: if there is a working 5.5 patchset out there, why isnt it made offical?
03.17.46 #       <Martian67> or at least avalible without hunting for 5 hours
03.17.48 #       <JdGordon> rasher: same way as the wps/fonts...
03.18.15 #       <rasher> So there'd be an artificial limit on the path
03.18.16 #       <JdGordon> Martian67: iirc its not working 100% yet so thee is no point
03.18.29 #       <Martian67> JdGordon: whats not working about it, besides the apple firmware?
03.18.33 #       <rasher> (and how much space is available in the config block anyway?)
03.18.43 #       <JdGordon> not much..
03.18.49 #       <JdGordon> Martian67: i dont know
03.19.23 #       <JdGordon> would anyone like to try to settings patch now and help find missing settings and other fun bugs?
03.19.24 #       <Martian67> JdGordon: because it works great for me :/
03.19.33 #       <JdGordon> 30gb model?
03.19.36 #       <Martian67> yes
03.19.48 #       <JdGordon> yeah, the 60gb model has bigger problems
03.19.53 #       <Martian67> 80 you mean?
03.20.09 #       <JdGordon> ye
03.20.38 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: instead of converting the configs, they just need to be copied to the local instance and then the changed one copied back to global. The array in enc_config.c will need a size instead of a function pointer.
03.21.13 #       <Martian67> JdGordon: what was that thing that supported the ipod style directorys by indexing the files?
03.21.23 #       <Martian67> and do i need to rebuild to get it?
03.21.35 #       <JdGordon> tagcache and yes
03.22.41 #       <Martian67> JdGordon: do you know if the 5.5 patchset works against those sources?
03.22.49 #       <JdGordon> no
03.26.04 #       <Martian67> JdGordon: do the daily builds have tagcatche or is it an external thing?
03.30.15 #       <scorche> they do
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03.35.57 #       <JdGordon> :'( why is it soo damn humid here??
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04.08.13 #       <Strogg> just sorta familiarizing myself with the plugin api.. wondering what's the standard way to output variables in text to the screen?  It looks like you have to first sprintf() to a buffer and then lcd_putsxy().  Is that right or is there a better way?
04.11.30 #       <Martian67> putsexy?
04.11.30 #       <Martian67> lol
04.13.16 #       <JdGordon> Strogg: it would be better to use the screens[]. struct so it will work on the remote lcd screen... but yes,lcd_put* works
04.13.55 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: that was going to be one of my other questions.. What's a remote LCD?
04.14.21 #       <JdGordon> the x5, h100 and h300 models have remote controls which have an lcd screen on them
04.14.37 #       <Strogg> Ahhh.
04.15.09 #       <JdGordon> if your doing something purely text then you should have the lcd drawing function accomodate different lcd screens and fonts.. if yuor doing a game then dont worry about the rmeote lcd
04.15.19 #       <JdGordon> unless you can be bothered of course
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04.16.06 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: I'm making something to view Go game files.. SGF files..  so.. it'll be game-like.
04.16.21 #       <JdGordon> ok
04.16.48 #       <Strogg> I'll try to keep things mostly to standard, but mostly first, I wanna get something working.  Then can work on making it work everywhere. hehe
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05.45.04 #       <skipinschool> hey
05.45.37 #       * Strogg notices that his C is direly rusty.
05.45.48 #       <skipinschool> i need an update with rockbox.... I had it like 3 months ago
05.45.58 #       <skipinschool> what all has improved since
05.46.12 #       * Strogg knows nothing
05.46.51 #       <JdGordon> skipinschool: http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html
05.47.02 #       <skipinschool> ok....
05.47.03 #       <scorche> bah...beat me to it
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05.47.17 #       <skipinschool> just have like 2 questions
05.47.32 #       <skipinschool> album art fix?? can it play videos??
05.47.41 #       <JdGordon> no and yes
05.47.51 #       <Strogg> *blink!*
05.47.57 #       <skipinschool> no to album art.... :-(
05.48.06 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: rockbox can do video now?
05.48.15 #       <JdGordon> yeah.
05.48.17 #       * Strogg runs off to the feature list on the wiki
05.48.25 #       <JdGordon> well only a m2v files and only the video
05.48.31 #       <scorche> actually, run off to PluginMpegplayer
05.49.42 #       <JdGordon> I have a ncie idea for the int settings screen, but scared the drawing code needed is going to be too big for it to work
05.49.52 #       <JdGordon> I want to copy the speedo in cars..
05.51.42 #       <skipinschool> lol
05.53.06 #       <JdGordon> anyone remember the formula to draw a circle?
05.53.12 #       <Strogg> hrmm poop..
05.53.13 #       <JdGordon> actually a elipse
05.53.23 #       <skipinschool> its been awhile since ive used rockbox and wanna get it agian.... but i cant remember if i have to cange the song names
05.53.35 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: hrmm x^2 + y^2 = hrmm... something.
05.53.39 #       <skipinschool> from JKFJ.mp4 to name.mp4
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05.53.47 #       <Strogg> I wanna say r^2
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05.56.50 #       <skipinschool> anybody?
05.57.27 #       <skipinschool> do i have to change my song names in my f folders on my ipod using godfather??
05.57.34 #       <Strogg> there are tools out there that will rename files based on the id3 tags
05.57.50 #       <scorche> and you can use tagcache
05.57.59 #       <skipinschool> so basically i just need to update my tags on iTunes
05.58.20 #       <skipinschool> and then proceed with those other 2 steps you listed
05.58.26 #       <Strogg> Why do you wanna keep the same ipod naming scheme?
05.58.46 #       <scorche> why do you not have your tags correct?
05.58.53 #       <skipinschool> i want it to display the name and title of the artist
05.58.57 #       <skipinschool> and album art
05.59.19 #       <skipinschool> so... do not update my tages on iTunes?
06.00.48 #       <skipinschool> whatever... ill figure it out
06.01.12 #       <Strogg> can't help yah on this one.  I installed rockbox to get away from all the itunes stuff..
06.05.19 #       <skipinschool> well, ive had rockbox... ive had senabs build, but i took it off because it kept freezing
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06.05.35 #       <skipinschool> it wasnt made for dummies yet :-)
06.05.47 #       <skipinschool> and i still think its not
06.06.24 #       <Strogg> depends what you wanna get out of it, I guess..
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06.08.15 #       <skipinschool> yea...
06.08.40 #       <skipinschool> see, theres too much access to critical stuff that could freeze it and stuff...
06.09.06 #       <scorche> oh wow...
06.09.09 #       <skipinschool> thats what i dont like.... it acts more like a harddrive rather than an Operating System
06.09.17 #       * Strogg raises an eyebrow
06.09.48 #       <skipinschool> dont get me wrong... i like the fact that you can do this to your ipod
06.10.06 #       <scorche> ignoring your other comments, what ipod do you have?
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06.10.08 #       <skipinschool> but do you guys think it will ever develope into just a mere OS
06.10.10 #       <Strogg> nah.. I'm just trying to figure out what you mean by harddrive-vs-OS
06.10.21 #       <skipinschool> iPod video
06.10.24 #       <skipinschool> 30gig
06.10.34 #       <scorche> and by freeze you mean skip?
06.10.35 #       <Strogg> that's the same model I got. hehe
06.10.52 #       <skipinschool> well, what i mean by hard drive...
06.11.04 #       <skipinschool> is you have access to stuff other than you need
06.11.19 #       <skipinschool> an OS is almost kinda like for dummies
06.11.25 #       <Strogg> you didn't you didn't have access to it before?
06.11.32 #       <skipinschool> like what iPod has right now ;-)
06.11.32 #       <Strogg> err.. *tries again*
06.11.37 #       <Strogg> you think you didn't have access to it before?
06.11.56 #       <skipinschool> i know i had access to it before
06.12.01 #       <skipinschool> lol.... now im confused
06.12.08 #       <skipinschool> where is this going??
06.12.08 #       <scorche> you are the first person i have ever heard that would like less features
06.12.26 #       <skipinschool> no... features are GREAT
06.12.32 #       <Strogg> skipinschool: are you talking about when it's plugged into USB, or when you're nav'ing around in ipod?
06.12.42 #       <skipinschool> but access to critical stuff is like :-/
06.12.59 #       <skipinschool> when your just naving
06.13.12 #       <skipinschool> NOT pluged into usb
06.13.16 #       <Strogg> so?  Just go into your settings and turn that stuff off.
06.13.26 #       <skipinschool> no shit?
06.13.35 #       * Strogg finds the option
06.13.37 #       <skipinschool> i didnt know you can do that... lol
06.13.52 #       <scorche> be specific...i have no idea what you mean
06.13.58 #       <skipinschool> ok...
06.14.11 #       <skipinschool> im a simple yet somewhat organized person
06.14.14 #       <Strogg> General Settings -> File View -> Show Files -> Music
06.14.22 #       <scorche> oh...just that?
06.14.23 #       <Strogg> Then it shows only music.
06.14.33 #       <skipinschool> i like the original iPod firmware, but its weak
06.14.45 #       <skipinschool> you cant change the backround
06.15.13 #       <Strogg> hehe.. myself, I got nothing against the original ipod interface.  It was seriously slick.
06.15.44 #       <skipinschool> yea... it is.... but you cant change the backround or anything like that
06.15.49 #       <skipinschool> nothing too confusing
06.16.06 #       <skipinschool> P.S. whats Senabs build website
06.16.14 #       <skipinschool> or is there a better suggested one
06.16.25 #       <skipinschool> for the 5th gen 30 gig
06.16.56 #       <scorche> senab has stopped producing his buolds
06.17.00 #       <scorche> builds
06.17.13 #       <skipinschool> ok... thats news...
06.17.26 #       <skipinschool> any alternatives?
06.17.39 #       <scorche> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0
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06.39.49 #       <skipinschool> uhm.... i think i fucked my iPod up, royally
06.40.05 #       <skipinschool> it will not load any firmware... not even the original
06.40.23 #       <scorche> and what does it do?
06.40.39 #       <skipinschool> rockbox boot loader
06.40.47 #       <skipinschool> the all that other junk
06.40.56 #       <scorche> that is not junk
06.41.00 #       <skipinschool> loading error-
06.41.01 #       <scorche> that is what is telling you what is wrong
06.41.10 #       <skipinschool> loading original firmare
06.41.19 #       <skipinschool> and then back to rockbox thingy
06.41.20 #       <scorche> yes...the whole line please
06.42.13 #       <scorche> as in there should be a number after error...what is it?
06.42.21 #       <skipinschool> -1
06.42.43 #       <scorche> do you have the rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder in the root of the device?
06.43.16 #       <skipinschool> no...
06.43.20 #       <skipinschool> i didnt do that
06.43.28 #       <skipinschool> i thought the firmware extracted that
06.43.42 #       <scorche> the instructions tell you to do that...
06.44.04 #       <skipinschool> yes, i relized that afterwords
06.45.47 #       <skipinschool> well, shit.... my computer cannot even read it as a hard drive
06.46.03 #       <scorche> select + play
06.46.14 #       <scorche> also in the instructions in case you screw up
06.46.21 #       <scorche> please read =)
06.47.05 #       <skipinschool> select and play didnt do anything... select and menu just restart it, but thats no help
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06.47.23 #       <scorche> hold select and play...
06.47.41 #       <t0dk0n> hmmm, there's no latest daily build on rockbox site
06.48.00 #       <t0dk0n> haha, I just take it that nothings been done for my player :P
06.48.13 #       <scorche> no...just a small glitch
06.48.19 #       <scorche> nothing wrong with CVS builds
06.48.21 #       <t0dk0n> ooh, thought that as well
06.48.24 #       <skipinschool> i held select and play.... and didnt do anything :-(
06.48.27 #       <t0dk0n> Yeah, I'll just update with that then
06.48.54 #       <t0dk0n> I'm tired of that data abort error I kept getting from three days ago
06.49.39 #       <skipinschool> well, shit.... i fucked up my ipods firmware... my mistake
06.50.02 #       <scorche> no you didnt (if you followed the directions)
06.50.07 #       <t0dk0n> lol
06.50.08 #       <scorche> select and play is hardware
06.50.18 #       <scorche> reboot, then hold those 2
06.50.52 #       <skipinschool> aaah
06.50.55 #       <skipinschool> aaaaaaaaaaah
06.50.59 #       * scorche sighs
06.51.02 #       <skipinschool> i didnt reboot first
06.51.34 #       <t0dk0n> hehe
06.52.10 #       <skipinschool> tank you sooo much!! i thought my iPod was done
06.52.31 #       <scorche> there hasnt been a single brick from rockbox...
06.52.42 #       <t0dk0n> muahaha
06.52.51 #       <t0dk0n> unless its a flaw in the user, or no?
06.52.55 #       <t0dk0n> :P
06.52.58 #       <scorche> no
06.53.03 #       * JdGordon edited the ipod install page so extracting rockbox.zip is before installing the bootloader
06.53.10 #       <scorche> ipods are practically impossibly to brak permanently
06.53.23 #       <t0dk0n> I meant in the booting part, and they hadn't backed up the original to start over in case they messed up
06.53.36 #       <scorche> JdGordon: it really doesnt matter...they are still plugged in
06.53.38 #       <t0dk0n> or is that fixable as well?
06.53.44 #       <scorche> it is
06.53.54 #       <t0dk0n> awesome
06.53.55 #       <JdGordon> scorche: no, the bootloader instructions tell you to disconnect and test!
06.54.01 #       <scorche> they do?
06.54.04 #       <scorche> bah...
06.54.13 #       <skipinschool> hehe
06.54.15 #       <JdGordon> yah
06.54.30 #       * scorche shakes his fist at... <looks for a manual dev>
06.54.40 #       <t0dk0n> hmm, on the cvs build part of the site, does green mean its been modified for that player?
06.54.51 #       <scorche> green means no build errors
06.54.56 #       <t0dk0n> oooh
06.55.02 #       <t0dk0n> then what do the numbers mean?
06.55.09 #       <scorche> number of errors
06.55.14 #       <t0dk0n> ah, alright
06.55.16 #       <t0dk0n> thanks :)
06.55.33 #       <skipinschool> yeay!!! rockbox loaded
06.55.38 #       <skipinschool> lol
06.56.13 #       <t0dk0n> hmm, when I update rockbox, unzipping it, does it overwrite my themes, backgrounds, and wps?
06.56.25 #       <JdGordon> only if you want it to
06.56.26 #       <scorche> no
06.56.35 #       <t0dk0n> alright
06.56.44 #       <scorche> it will only add files and replace ones that have the same name
06.57.07 #       <t0dk0n> hehe thats what I was thinking, but sometimes, it could just replace based on dir, rather then file
06.57.08 #       <scorche> if you made a theme and named it boxes.wps, then yes ;)
06.57.14 #       <t0dk0n> haha
06.57.53 #       <JdGordon> the only files u need to update is rockbox.ipod, .rockbox/viewers/* and .rockbox/rocks/*
06.58.00 #       <JdGordon> and .rockbox/codecs/*
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06.58.52 #       <t0dk0n> hehe
07.00.59 #       <JdGordon> ok, who wants to play guenea pig?
07.01.21 #       <t0dk0n> as in the Japanese snuff series? :P
07.01.29 #       * JdGordon needs beta testers
07.01.37 #       <t0dk0n> beta testing for what?
07.01.40 #       <scorche> uh oh
07.01.43 #       <JdGordon> a patch for rockbox
07.01.44 #       * scorche hides
07.01.48 #       <t0dk0n> lol
07.01.52 #       <JdGordon> you know you ant to.. :D
07.01.55 #       <t0dk0n> whats this 'patch' do
07.01.56 #       <t0dk0n> ?
07.01.57 #       <JdGordon> want*
07.02.01 #       <scorche> well, i usually do =P
07.02.14 #       <scorche> s/do/end up doing it anyway
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07.02.25 #       <t0dk0n> lol
07.02.31 #       * Strogg commits his src tree before applying mysterious patchs. hehe
07.03.31 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: so what's this patch?
07.03.34 #       <JdGordon> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuSettingsRecoding patch at the bottom..
07.03.42 #       <JdGordon> replaces all the settings and most menus
07.03.48 #       <JdGordon> no more config block settings
07.03.56 #       <scorche> did you fix the boosting?
07.04.00 #       <JdGordon> yup
07.04.03 #       <scorche> yay!
07.04.12 #       <JdGordon> yeah :)
07.04.18 #       <scorche> figure it out, or just the recoding of the recoding did it?
07.04.24 #       <JdGordon> hopefully gonna get it to a state where its ready for commit early this week
07.04.41 #       <JdGordon> no, it was the dynamic menu stuff.. the sound menu wasnt plaing ncie
07.04.44 #       <JdGordon> all fixed now tho
07.04.56 #       <scorche> crossfade?
07.05.04 #       <scorche> oh...just the dynamic
07.05.13 #       <scorche> oh wait...i already heard you talking about that..
07.05.20 #       <JdGordon> :)
07.05.35 #       <t0dk0n> haha
07.05.50 #       <scorche> t0dk0n: stop laughing at me!
07.06.01 #       <t0dk0n> sorry :'(
07.06.09 #       <t0dk0n> I'm laughing with you :P
07.06.40 #       <scorche> of course...
07.07.28 #       <t0dk0n> even if you're not laughing
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07.09.27 #       <t0dk0n> hmm, if you made a playlist with files from the ipod, would it work with rockbox?
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07.09.44 #       <t0dk0n> like in a program like XMMS or exaile
07.09.51 #       <JdGordon> yes.. if its a .m3u
07.09.53 #       <scorche> if it is m3u, yes
07.09.57 #       <scorche> grrr
07.09.58 #       <t0dk0n> no pls?
07.10.06 #       <scorche> just for that, i am not testing your patch!
07.10.12 #       <JdGordon> :'(
07.10.14 #       <JdGordon> im sorry
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07.10.34 #       <Strogg> hrmmmm my patch can't read your patch. hehe
07.10.39 #       <skipschoolandksk> ok... got my rockbox on :-)
07.10.54 #       <skipschoolandksk> but it aborts.... lol
07.11.14 #       <PaulPosition> I wish I could help testing, Jonathan, but there's no recording *yet* on the portalplayer daps..   Wish you good luck with it, though.
07.11.21 #       <t0dk0n> "data abort 'hex decimal numbers'"?
07.11.34 #       <JdGordon> PaulPosition: no, this patch has nothing to do with recording
07.11.35 #       <scorche> PaulPosition: recoding...not recording
07.11.44 #       <PaulPosition> Doh.  lol
07.11.58 #       <JdGordon> t0dk0n: what build and whats the hex number?
07.12.11 #       <skipschoolandksk> uhm
07.12.18 #       <skipschoolandksk> julis build
07.12.19 #       <t0dk0n> ooh, I was asking skipschoolandksk dude
07.12.27 #       <skipschoolandksk> and its while im playing a song
07.12.36 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: How did you generate this patch?
07.12.42 #       <JdGordon> cvs diff
07.12.42 #       <PaulPosition> I thought it was about recording settings.. lol.  --  Soon as I wake up tomorrow morning I download and build (and then read some, so I have at least an idea what to look for in terms of bugs and such..) :)
07.12.45 #       <t0dk0n> I just put the newest cvs on mine, but it runs fine so far
07.12.45 #       <scorche> uhh...he wrote it? =P
07.12.59 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: should I be able to apply via patch -p2 < foo.patch ?
07.13.05 #       <JdGordon> -p0
07.13.15 #       <scorche> well, depends where you are doing it
07.13.20 #       <skipschoolandksk> hey... whatever... ill figure it out tommorrow
07.13.28 #       <Strogg> crazy..
07.13.32 #       <PaulPosition> skipshcool - hey
07.13.34 #       <PaulPosition> wait...
07.13.45 #       <JdGordon> Strogg: crazy?
07.14.00 #       <scorche> skipschoolandksk: we request that you try with an official build before saying something is wrong
07.14.10 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: insane.. bizzarre..
07.14.20 #       <skipschoolandksk> true...
07.14.23 #       <JdGordon> what in particular is?
07.14.30 #       <PaulPosition> When's the last Pi Julius build from?.. If it's between 14th and somewhere around 16th or 17th, the freeze might be caused by you using APE tagged files.
07.14.35 #       <Strogg> it applied ok with -p0. hehe
07.14.47 #       <PaulPosition> There was some changes made and the latest builds resolve that.
07.14.52 #       <skipschoolandksk> well, for right now... where can i get the original ipod firmware so i dont have to restore
07.15.12 #       <t0dk0n> just hold menu down after rebooting
07.15.16 #       <scorche> you should have saved it
07.15.19 #       <t0dk0n> and it goes into the origingal firmware
07.15.22 #       <t0dk0n> original*
07.15.23 #       <t0dk0n> or that
07.15.45 #       <skipschoolandksk> uhm... i didnt save anything else besides the rockbox stuff
07.16.04 #       <scorche> i *do* know that the instructions tell you to save that file
07.16.06 #       <t0dk0n> Did you back up that bootpartition thing?
07.16.34 #       <skipschoolandksk> i dont know... i followed the directions
07.16.35 #       <scorche> you dont need to back it up...it is already there...you just need to not delete it ;)
07.16.51 #       <skipschoolandksk> the only thing i forgot was the rockbox folder, but we resolved that
07.17.09 #       <skipschoolandksk> ok... well, i typed this... hold on
07.17.26 #       <scorche> You should keep a safe backup of this bootpartition.bin file for use b if you ever wish to either upgrade the Rockbox boot loader or uninstall Rockbox
07.17.27 #       <scorche> from your Ipod
07.17.46 #       <scorche> and you didnt follow that ;)
07.18.00 #       <skipschoolandksk> ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin
07.18.08 #       <skipschoolandksk> ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin
07.18.17 #       <scorche> this is before that
07.18.24 #       <scorche> when you first extract it
07.18.34 #       <skipschoolandksk> ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin
07.18.36 #       <skipschoolandksk> ok...
07.18.49 #       <skipschoolandksk> well than no
07.18.55 #       <skipschoolandksk> i guess there merged or something
07.19.23 #       <scorche> we already know that...i was just pointing out that you did, in fact, not follow all the directions as you said ;)
07.19.32 #       <Strogg> hrmmm.. having a lot of issues compiling..
07.19.43 #       <scorche> Strogg: like?
07.19.46 #       <Strogg> JdGordon: I suspect that your build environment differs alot from mine..
07.19.57 #       <skipschoolandksk> yea...
07.19.58 #       <Strogg> scorche: mostly path issues.. gimme a bit.. I'll get it working
07.20.03 #       <skipschoolandksk> shit... im retarted....
07.20.12 #       <skipschoolandksk> i have 3 other iPods next to me
07.20.13 #       <skipschoolandksk> lol
07.20.14 #       <JdGordon> Strogg: ?
07.20.18 #       <scorche> Strogg: well, have you compiled rockbox before?
07.20.24 #       <skipschoolandksk> yea
07.20.29 #       <skipschoolandksk> a long time ago
07.20.30 #       <Strogg> scorche: yeah
07.20.50 #       <skipschoolandksk> can i pull the firmware from an 80gig??
07.20.58 #       <skipschoolandksk> would it work on the 30
07.20.59 #       <scorche> no
07.21.16 #       <skipschoolandksk> ok..
07.21.18 #       <PaulPosition> Could it be the tools/configure changes hitting you back in the face..?  (see latest cvs..)
07.21.38 #       <skipschoolandksk> well, guys.... thanks for the help, im tired as hell, and ill deal with this tommorrow
07.21.46 #       <PaulPosition> nite, then.
07.21.52 #       <skipschoolandksk> take it easy...
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07.22.15 #       <Strogg> This is unrelated.. but.. should these be brackets instead of braces?
07.22.16 #       <Strogg> export DOCSDIR=$(ROOTDIR)/docs
07.22.16 #       <Strogg> export MANUALDIR=${ROOTDIR}/manual
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07.22.59 #       * JdGordon no idea
07.23.06 #       <t0dk0n> crossfeed is sex for the ears
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07.27.36 #       <Strogg> Anyone know offhand what error 127 out of make is?
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07.35.27 #       <JdGordon> hmm... shutdown is happening too fast now :'( settings arnt getting saved
07.35.50 #       <t0dk0n> hehe that needs to be fix0red
07.36.01 #       <JdGordon> no, it needs to be fixed...
07.36.25 #       <t0dk0n> hahaha, fine fine, 'fixed' it needs to be
07.36.39 #       <Strogg> heh. There we go. I'm gonna have to add my all toolchain dirs to my PATH.. or make a script to do it.
07.36.50 #       <Strogg> it was going nuts when it couldn't find arm-elf-ranlib
07.36.54 #       <t0dk0n> jdGordon: is that on your patch, or on the general cvs?
07.37.00 #       <JdGordon> with patch
07.37.04 #       <t0dk0n> ahh alright =D
07.37.13 #       <t0dk0n> lol, good thing I didn't try it quite yet :P
07.38.41 #       <t0dk0n> I don't wanna use my computers audio anymore, I'm addicted to the rockbox auido quality!
07.39.24 #       <scorche> your computer should have better...
07.39.27 #       <t0dk0n> it should
07.39.37 #       <scorche> what audio card?
07.39.40 #       <t0dk0n> but I have great sennheiser headphones
07.39.42 #       <t0dk0n> Audigy
07.39.57 #       <scorche> just plug the headphones into the computer ;)
07.40.01 #       <scorche> or get better speakers
07.40.03 #       <t0dk0n> haha yeah
07.40.13 #       <t0dk0n> I have crappy generic harman/kardon speakers
07.41.24 #       <t0dk0n> hmm, I'm testing to see how long I can just listen to audio before the battery runs out
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07.49.15 #       <Strogg> hrmmm...
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08.02.25 #       * Strogg gives up for tonight
08.05.07 #       <t0dk0n> night night
08.09.23 #       <t0dk0n> hmm, the text is inside the image of this wps
08.09.55 #       <t0dk0n> I wanna make it a little more aligned
08.10.11 #       <t0dk0n> is that possible? or is it just straight up left, center, and right?
08.11.31 #       <t0dk0n> the images of the theme show it aligned correctly 0_o
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08.14.22 #       <Strogg> maybe the positioning is font dependent?
08.15.00 #       <t0dk0n> perhaps
08.15.03 #       <t0dk0n> but check it out
08.15.18 #       <t0dk0n> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpod5g?rev=1;filename=Theme_X_HighBar2.png
08.15.43 #       <t0dk0n> on my ipod, the  text is crashing into the play part a little
08.17.38 #       <t0dk0n> I was trying to look at the wps file, with the aid of the tag index in the manual
08.17.47 #       <t0dk0n> but couldn't figure out exactly what to do
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09.08.11 #       <Gnelik> Gr. My sansa dont want to initilize lcd
09.08.11 #       <Gnelik> :9
09.08.31 #       <Gnelik> :(
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09.23.21 #       <Gnelik> Any ideas why lcd could be initilezed in bootloader but not in normal firmware
09.23.51 #       <Gnelik> ???
09.25.10 #       <jhMikeS> Gnelik: Not totally sure but I think Rolo might need it reset at least. Other than that, no reason really.
09.26.07 #       <jhMikeS> But re: Sansa can't really say for sure. More familiar with Coldfire stuff atm.
09.26.11 #       <Gnelik> jhMikeS:(1) What is Rolo? (2) Screen becam yellow after init
09.26.50 #       <jhMikeS> Gnelik: Rolo restarts rockbox. You can invok it by selecting the firmware file in the browser and running it.
09.28.13 #       <jhMikeS> Gnelik: (2) Have no idea why. I don't have a Sansa. Don't know if anything I said was of any assitance :P
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09.28.27 #       <scorche> jhMikeS: not quite right...RoLo is a method of loading other firmwares
09.29.09 #       <Gnelik> I generate mi4 file and
09.29.13 #       <jhMikeS> scorche: I've only seen it when updating the firmware or selecting another firmware (almost never). so yeah :)
09.29.22 #       <Gnelik> Sandisk bootloader loads it
09.29.26 #       <scorche> well, what device?
09.29.46 #       <scorche> there is a bug on ipod where it will only load the same image that is currently running...
09.29.58 #       <Bagder> Gnelik: well, Rockbox on sansa isn't even working so expect more flaws to remain
09.30.42 #       <Gnelik> Bagder: But i cant understand why it dont wand to init lcd, we cant start debuging
09.30.59 #       <scorche> Bagder: since when do you come in here this early on a sunday? =)
09.31.11 #       <Bagder> scorche: ssshhh don't tell anyone ;-)
09.31.29 #       <Bagder> my youngest is sleeping and wife and daughter are out
09.32.01 #       <scorche> i have to know...am i an enabler?
09.32.28 #       <Bagder> en enabler of what?
09.32.41 #       <jhMikeS> enabler...haven't heard that term in a while
09.33.16 #       <scorche> one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by helping that individual avoid the consequences of such behavior
09.33.34 #       <Bagder> aaha
09.33.55 #       <scorche> ;)
09.34.10 #       <jhMikeS> rockbox makes me forget to pay bills
09.34.16 #       <Bagder> hahaha
09.35.33 #       <Gnelik> Bagder: Can this be connected with memory remapings etc.?
09.35.58 #       <Bagder> I wouldn't guess so, but who knows
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09.36.58 #       <Gnelik> :(
09.38.46 #       <hachi> why isn't there a link to the version controlled source on the website?
09.38.51 #       <hachi> or am I just missing it?
09.39.12 #       <Bagder> link to it how?
09.39.19 #       <Bagder> http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
09.39.26 #       <Bagder> has two suitable links in the bottom
09.40.19 #       <hachi> ahh... I don't usually look in the instructions to find the urls
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10.06.44 #       <JdGordon> does ata_spin() force the disk to spin up if it is off?
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10.10.14 #       <JdGordon> .. it doesnt :(
10.10.27 #       <JdGordon> whats the best way to force the disk to spin without reading.writing anything?
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10.29.46 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: I already inquired about that. None.
10.30.11 #       <JdGordon> I guess Ill have to explicitly call the save setting function on shutdown
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10.39.05 #       <Gnelik> I hate my sansa :)
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10.42.18 #       <Gnelik> And yellow color too.
10.43.21 #       <JdGordon> is rectrigger on all targets now?
10.44.14 #       <Gnelik> ??
10.44.59 #       <JdGordon> jhMikeS: ?
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11.05.39 #       <Gnelik> Any ideas of sansa lcd_init bug
11.05.40 #       <Gnelik> ???
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11.09.34 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: sorry. yes?
11.09.45 #       <JdGordon> is rec trigger on all tragets?
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11.09.59 #       <JdGordon> and the recording settings are going to be a pita to move across :p
11.10.04 #       <jhMikeS> oh...rectrigger. can't say.
11.10.21 #       <JdGordon> k
11.10.36 #       <jhMikeS> why are the recording settings going to be a pita?
11.11.04 #       <JdGordon> just because.. :p
11.11.14 #       <jhMikeS> were most of them already moved?
11.11.24 #       <jhMikeS> weren't
11.11.44 #       <JdGordon> im not sure... I think only rectrigger (if thats swcodec) and frequency ned fixing
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11.15.16 #       <jhMikeS> should properly #ifdef the global_settings structure while at it since a lot of stuff gets included that doesn't belong
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11.19.11 #       <jhMikeS> I don't see any problem with the frequencies atm on SWCODEC
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11.21.41 #       <jhMikeS> Is there a problem putting those samplerate macros inside the others?
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11.55.31 #       <Lear> Anyone who knows how "aggressive" the dithering is on grayscale targets?
11.57.23 #       <jhMikeS> ?
11.58.19 #       <jhMikeS> It should dither each 8 bit level to a unique dot pattern.
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11.58.47 #       <Lear> On perfectly white (#FFFFFF) WPS backdrop, I get a light gray pixel every 16 pixels...
11.59.23 #       <jhMikeS> Sure the source image is perfect white?
11.59.33 #       <jhMikeS> FEFEFE should produce that
12.00.37 #       <bernych> Hi guys, I have a X5 running rockbox, and I'm no happy with the radio reception quality, so I look into the code...
12.01.04 #       <jhMikeS> bernych: It does seem a bit weak but I never looked myself. Find anything?
12.01.16 #       <Lear> Quite sure. It seems that the colors I picked (so that the top two pixels are right), aren't quite what the BMP loader expects, so it dithers.
12.01.25 #       <Lear> Question is, what does it expect... :)
12.02.34 #       <Lear> Ouch, tried a slightly darker background, and that made things a lot worse...
12.02.48 #       <jhMikeS> It expects a bitmap. :P If it has to reduce color depth, it dithers levels that aren't representable by solid colors. White sould be solid though.
12.03.09 #       <bernych> I don't know why , but amiconn added a 4kHz shift to the frequency selection and High Cut-Control is not active. Someone knows why?
12.03.30 #       <Lear> But it isn't...
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12.04.03 #       <jhMikeS> benych:hmmm...I have no clue why the shift is needed. I  suspect the setup on iAudio and iRiver should be the same.
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12.04.32 #       <jhMikeS> Lear: It should be. Ask amiconn. He wrote the new loader.
12.04.43 #       <Lear> I know, but he isn't around...
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12.05.31 #       <bernych> For me, without the frequency shift works better, and it is exactly what the philips datasheet says
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12.10.58 #       <jhMikeS> Lear: He said it's "Code Policed". I see the problem though
12.11.27 #       <bernych> Does someone has a decompiled listing of the original iaudio firmware, so that I can check what cowon did?
12.11.31 #       <Lear> You do? Just started looking at it...
12.11.36 #       <jhMikeS> bernych: could be. there might be a reason on iRiver and the reception is strong there. x5 should probably not use it.
12.12.17 #       <jhMikeS> Lear: need to do some caclulation...one minute
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12.14.38 #       <jhMikeS> (257 * (3 * brightness(*qp++) + delta)) >> 16. when brightness is 255 and delta is 0, the result is 2.999954224... which rounds to 2. That happens on 1 dot out of 256.
12.15.46 #       <Lear> Interesting... Not the only case with dithering (pure white), but perhaps the other cases have the same rounding problem.
12.15.51 #       <jhMikeS> Other values in the matrix are > 0 so all the other pixels round to level 3
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12.16.41 #       <Lear> Maybe the fix is to replace 0 with 1 in the matrix?
12.16.47 #       <jhMikeS> 257*255 = 65535 so it runs short
12.16.59 #       <Lear> Or maybe that's the simple but wrong fix. :)
12.17.15 #       <jhMikeS> Lear: Definitely not. The matrix should have all levels 0-255
12.18.05 #       <Lear> I'll give it a quick test anyway. Would be interesting to see the effects...
12.18.21 #       <jhMikeS> it will "fix" it. better would be to add 1 to the delta
12.19.01 #       <Lear> You mean it should read "+ delta + 1"?
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12.19.35 #       <jhMikeS> yeah
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12.20.32 #       <jhMikeS> but black won't be pure black any more then...there will be dark gray dots
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12.21.45 #       <jhMikeS> I never liked that 257*x / 65536 thing
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12.23.59 #       <Lear> Do you have a better solution?
12.24.19 #       <jhMikeS> thinking about it
12.25.09 #       <jhMikeS> more precision perhaps
12.25.53 #       <Lear> Nope, "+ delta + 1" didn't fix the white. Changing the matrix worked though.
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12.26.33 #       <jhMikeS> the result must be 255.003891051*257
12.27.22 #       <Lear> The dots became darker, even. Black, rather than light gray.
12.27.41 #       <jhMikeS> changing 0 to 1 in the matrix would increase the delta by 1. If I calc it that way the result is 3.003875732 which should round to level 3
12.29.34 #       <jhMikeS> That's cause when delta is 255, adding 1 causes wrap around to black.
12.30.41 #       <n1s> JdGordon: here?
12.30.43 #       <jhMikeS> the result is 4.003860474
12.31.15 #       <Lear> Ah.
12.40.04 #       <n1s> JdGordon: anyway if you read the logs I found two bugs in your patch and reported them on the wiki page.
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12.53.00 #       <Lear> Ah, Amiconn. Backdrop dithering doesn't work quite right on grayscale.
12.53.08 #       <amiconn> Huh?
12.53.15 #       <amiconn> It does work perfectly here
12.53.24 #       <amiconn> H140, Mini 2G, and the sims
12.53.30 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: hi Dan!
12.53.45 #       <dan_a> Good morning, Gnelik
12.54.17 #       <Gnelik> dan_a I tryed to init lcd befour all, but it became yellow
12.54.36 #       <Lear> I tried with a backdrop that was largely white. One out of 256 pixels wasn't white.
12.54.45 #       <Gnelik> And it don't display text
12.55.05 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: I saw that in the logs.  I don't know why that would be.  I don't think it is the memory remapping, because that gets done in the bootloader too.
12.55.19 #       <Lear> When delta is zero (as jhmikes noticed), the bright value is rounded down to two.
12.55.31 #       * amiconn just checked the log
12.55.49 #       <amiconn> Yes, there is a very slight deviation
12.56.03 #       <Gnelik> dan_a:Again we must serch for thing is'nt done in bootloader
12.56.07 #       <Lear> The value to the left of the ">> 16" is exactly 3 too low for proper result (if delta is zero at least).
12.56.16 #       <amiconn> It results from approximating  x / 255  by  (x * 257) / 65536
12.56.55 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: i try to look for 0x7000***
12.56.59 #       <Gnelik> adreses
12.57.14 #       <Gnelik> but it didnt helped me
12.57.42 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: For flashing the LED?
12.57.43 #       <amiconn> However, doing it this way (1) avoids a (costly) division and (2) also removes the need for explicit clipping
12.58.18 #       <amiconn> Will think a bit about it
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12.58.47 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: Nope. I thought thai may cause lcd driver to work bad, when doing something with  such adreses.
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13.02.28 #       <JdGordon> n1s: back, ok thanks
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13.04.22 #       <n1s> np
13.05.13 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: Have you any ideas?
13.06.09 #       <dan_a> Not at the moment
13.07.20 #       <JdGordon> n1s: thanks, both are fixed, ill up a new version shortly
13.08.03 #       <n1s> going afk, bot will test more later.
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13.13.38 #       <jhMikeS> it can be proven that the appoximation cannot work with any scaling and produce both solid black and solid white. you can have a matrix max of 255 with a brightness of 0 (should be black) and a matrix min of 0 and a brightness max of 255 (must be white).
13.16.13 #       <amiconn> The approximation can work when using the real division, but then we need clipping
13.16.19 #       <amiconn> ..as well
13.16.30 #       <amiconn> Bah, forget that
13.17.09 #       <amiconn> Then it's no longer an approximation...
13.18.13 #       <jhMikeS> hehe
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13.21.59 #       <Lear> I tried adding 3 to the expression to the left of the ">>", and then all 4 colors in my test backdrop loaded correctly, without visible dither.
13.23.13 #       <amiconn> Tried a solid black area?
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13.25.47 #       <Lear> Sorry, no, I was lucky. Tried some big solid blocks, and all but the white one had that 1 in 256 bad pixel.
13.26.26 #       <jhMikeS> the result of that with matrix 255 and brightness 0 would be 1.000030518.
13.26.59 #       <amiconn> Yes
13.27.20 #       <amiconn> But I think I know how to improve the approximation without introducing division and clipping
13.27.28 #       <jhMikeS> course you could always add the values 0-3
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13.30.23 #       <jhMikeS> (257*brightness + delta + brightness/64) / 65536 ??
13.30.41 #       <jhMikeS> oops forgot some parentheses there
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13.38.45 #       <jhMikeS> amiconn: Instead of "Code Policed" you could have just said "jhMikeS don't you dare f**k with this" :D
13.38.55 #       <amiconn> ?
13.39.11 #       <amiconn> I referred to things like CamelCase and the like
13.40.36 #       <jhMikeS> *joking* ... CamelCase?? Where's that in the commit message?
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13.41.46 #       <jhMikeS> oh...good thing for wikipedia :P
13.45.11 #       <jhMikeS> bool LeadCamelToWater() { return true; } ... bool MakeHimDrink() { return false; }
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13.46.03 #       <amiconn> http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/docs/CONTRIBUTING?rev=1.12&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup , section "Names"
13.46.13 #       <amiconn> "Variables and function names should be all lower case."
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13.46.44 #       <jhMikeS> something I readilty observed by example
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14.08.30 #       <n1s> JdGordon: I've got a "Not Done Yet!" in the Recording settings, the stuff I reported earlier works fine now with the new patch :-)
14.08.42 #       <JdGordon> great
14.09.09 #       <JdGordon> for the reocrding settings.. im hopeing I can get someone to fix them all for me :D
14.10.35 #       <amiconn> jhMikeS: I think I understand what's going on. Looks like your suggested fix is fairly good
14.10.57 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: someone?
14.11.03 #       <JdGordon> anyone...
14.11.11 #       <jhMikeS> Beuhler?
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14.11.26 #       <JdGordon> eh?
14.11.40 #       <jhMikeS> Never saw "Ferris Beuhler's Day Off"?
14.11.47 #       <JdGordon> no
14.12.08 #       <jhMikeS> oh...never mind then :p
14.12.55 #       <amiconn> Ferris Bueller's Day Off
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14.13.02 #       <amiconn> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091042/
14.13.02 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: Which patch should I use?
14.13.13 #       <JdGordon> the latest on the wiki
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14.13.45 #       <jhMikeS> think I need a separate checkout to do this...
14.14.02 #       <JdGordon> cheers
14.14.23 #       <jhMikeS> you said trigger and sample rates right?
14.14.37 #       <JdGordon> i tinhk so, im not really sure whats missing
14.17.26 #       <jhMikeS> there's esperanto as a lang...wtf
14.17.42 #       <JdGordon> yeah, but no bork bork!
14.17.48 #       <jhMikeS> let's add Klingon
14.17.55 #       <JdGordon> nerd! :D
14.19.26 #       * amiconn is slightly confoozled :/
14.19.50 #       <amiconn> Adding the correction doesn't influence code size on h1x0
14.20.30 #       <JdGordon> thats good isnt it?
14.20.46 #       <amiconn> It's strange...
14.21.17 #       <jhMikeS> Is the code size byte aligned or rounded up?
14.21.59 #       <JdGordon> speaking of bin size.. all the global static const vars go staright into the bin and not ram right?
14.22.04 #       <amiconn> Not sure.. maybe the linker aligns sections to longwords or even lines
14.23.09 #       <JdGordon> oh woops... its not consted.. bugger
14.23.17 #       * JdGordon talking to self again... :p
14.24.04 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: What's the p level on it?
14.24.19 #       <JdGordon> ?
14.24.56 #       <jhMikeS> never mind. was in the wrong dir :p
14.25.06 #       <JdGordon> oh.. p0
14.25.27 #       <JdGordon> amiconn: there is no semi-circle drawing routines in rb are there?
14.25.41 #       <amiconn> nope
14.25.51 #       <amiconn> Why would you need that?
14.26.06 #       <JdGordon> I had a nice idea for int settings, but adding the needed code would make it slow and bloated
14.26.15 #       <JdGordon> draw it up like a speedo in the car
14.26.55 #       <amiconn> The int settings are fine as a list. Why would you want to give up simplicity and precision?
14.27.08 #       <JdGordon> coz its ugly and boring...
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14.27.56 #       <amiconn> It's not ugly at all imho
14.28.04 #       <jhMikeS> Analogue guages for settings?
14.28.49 #       <amiconn> If you could have a look at archos recorder retailos "int" settings (that _does_ use sliders) you would run away immediately
14.29.00 #       <JdGordon> it would look cool, but it would be slow and bloated so I havnt even bothered coding it to test
14.29.53 #       <jhMikeS> Every setting should be from 0% to 100% so as not to confuse people ;)
14.30.06 #       <amiconn> urgh
14.30.11 #       <jhMikeS> lol
14.31.25 #       <JdGordon> speaking of code bloat.. why is checkbox() in the code? its only used by plugins
14.31.53 #       <JdGordon> actually, i dont tihnk its used ever
14.31.53 #       <amiconn> checkbox was once introduced as an idea for boolean settings
14.33.15 #       <amiconn> ...but since _only_ boolean settings would look okay when put directly into the settings list, this idea was never completed
14.33.29 #       <JdGordon> ok
14.33.38 #       <JdGordon> is it worth keeping the code?
14.33.45 #       <amiconn> I think checkbox() should be removed
14.34.33 #       <jhMikeS> Not sure why only boolean setting would look ok that way.
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14.35.15 #       <amiconn> All other settings use text of varying width
14.35.34 #       <amiconn> That looks like crap on smaller LCDs and/or with larger fonts
14.35.56 #       <JdGordon> recorder/wigets.c can be removed totally then
14.35.59 #       <jhMikeS> I can think of a way to do it for anything at all
14.36.05 #       <amiconn> The recording trigger screen does that, and it's ugly as hell
14.36.11 #       <JdGordon> once anything calling scrollbar() calls gui_scrollbar_draw()
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14.42.14 #       <jhMikeS> one advantage of sliders with a number is it gives you a sense of the range of a setting at one glance
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14.43.09 #       <Gnelik> I am back again
14.43.17 #       <Gnelik> !
14.45.53 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: are you doing something with sansa, if not i'l don't truble you?
14.47.48 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: At the moment I'm doing other work.  I'll let you know when I look at the Sansa, and if I find anything
14.48.00 #       <dan_a> Feel free to ask questions, though.
14.49.03 #       <markun> jhMikeS: what, you don't speak esperanto?? ;)
14.51.27 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: Where must i seach a bug?
14.52.52 #       <Gnelik> Or i can't find it at all?
14.56.49 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: I don't know at the moment.  I don't think it will be in crt0-pp.S, because that is the same for all the PortalPlayer targets (apart fromt the problem I found yesterday)
14.57.12 #       <dan_a> I'd guess that something is going wrong in lcd_device_init, but I don't know what.
14.58.30 #       <dionoea> hi
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15.02.32 #       <JdGordon> the comment at the end of the plugin struct /* Keep these at the bottom till fully proven */, is that still wnated at the bottom?
15.02.40 #       <JdGordon> all the recording stuff
15.03.08 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: yes ... 'till preglow does a running DSP plugin
15.03.19 #       <JdGordon> okey dokey
15.04.11 #       <jhMikeS> markun: not a word. maybe could pick a few words out if esperanto has any Spanishiness
15.05.11 #       <jhMikeS> Let's add Elvish too while we're at it
15.05.38 #       <JdGordon> next time im bored im adding "drunked yobbo aussie"
15.05.47 #       <JdGordon> comeplte with full voice pack
15.06.18 #       <jhMikeS> Ebonics too
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15.15.05 #       <Gnelik> dan_a:One another question: when i turn off the LED, in init() method it don't evem makes screen whie
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15.15.22 #       <Gnelik> whie = white
15.16.10 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: The LED (on the scroll wheel) shouldn't affect the screen at all.
15.16.49 #       <Gnelik> But it does
15.17.30 #       <Gnelik> It only turns LED off and not clear the screen how it did without led controling.
15.18.28 #       <dan_a> How are you turning the LED off?  Can you post the code on pastebin.ca?
15.20.49 #       <Gnelik>  volatile unsigned int* ptr;
15.20.49 #       <Gnelik> ptr = (volatile unsigned int*)0x70000020;
15.20.49 #       <Gnelik> *ptr |= (1 << 13);
15.20.57 #       <Gnelik> *ptr |= (1 << 13);
15.21.12 #       <Gnelik> *ptr &= ~(1 << 13);
15.21.24 #       <Gnelik> in diferent places
15.23.30 #       <dan_a> That has never done anything to the LCD screen on my Sansa
15.24.53 #       <Gnelik> I doesn't do anything
15.25.50 #       <Gnelik> http://pastebin.ca/252427
15.27.15 #       <Gnelik> It doesn't clear lcd
15.28.08 #       <Gnelik> ja
15.28.21 #       <Gnelik> ha
15.28.21 #       <Gnelik> I am stupid
15.28.47 #       <Gnelik> > /*lcd_init();*/ /*Turn it off for debug*/
15.28.47 #       <Gnelik> :)
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15.32.01 #       <JdGordon> oh wtf?? i fixed these bloody warnings locally :'(
15.34.07 #       <amiconn> jhMikeS: I finally found the correct dithering formula :D
15.34.37 #       <amiconn> For 4-grey it is:  level = (3 * bright + (bright >> 6) + delta) >> 8
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15.39.10 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: RED!
15.39.21 #       <JdGordon> mr impatient :p
15.39.24 #       <JdGordon> just commited fix
15.39.43 #       * JdGordon blames the find in files feature of kate for that
15.39.56 #       <JdGordon> bloody typical that the buidls i tested worked :p
15.40.45 #       <obo> JdGordon: kate has mangled a name in video.c
15.41.06 #       <JdGordon> :'(
15.41.36 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: it's to hard for me :(
15.41.49 #       <preglow> you guys need to stop using kate
15.41.55 #       <preglow> it's obviously completely unsuitable as an editor
15.42.10 #       <JdGordon> apart from tiny quirks its fine
15.42.24 #       <preglow> tiny quirks like changing stuff you don't touch yourself
15.42.30 #       <obo> kscope does the same thing :(
15.42.44 #       <JdGordon> yeah, apart from that
15.43.01 #       <JdGordon> I thought i was doing so well to check for that before commiting tonight :'(
15.43.07 #       <bernych> amiconn, I'm trying to fix the radio poor reception in the X5, can you please have a look to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7411.0
15.43.35 #       <JdGordon> can someone fix that (c) message for me please? once its commited i cant..
15.44.16 #       <amiconn> bernych: I wonder what shift by 4kHz you're talking about
15.45.17 #       <amiconn> Besides, the X5 doesn't use the philips tuner chip
15.45.29 #       <amiconn> It uses DA-202
15.45.34 #       <bernych> looking at the CVS is you that added +16384 in the line that calculate the PLL counter
15.45.47 #       <amiconn> Yes, for philips
15.46.00 #       <bernych> Yes, but the registers are the same
15.46.01 #       <amiconn> However, that's just for rounding
15.46.34 #       <amiconn> The probklem with the 32768Hz xtal is that you cannot tune exactly to a frequency
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15.46.42 #       <bernych> For you this allowed a better reception?
15.47.34 #       <amiconn> Integer arithmetics just round down, adding 16384 makes it round to the nearest frequency instead
15.48.36 #       <bernych> and for the High cut controller, there is a reason why is not enabled?
15.49.19 #       <amiconn> I don't know
15.50.26 #       <bernych> I would like to check what the original firmware does, but I don't know how to disassemble it....
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16.13.55 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: on what are you working now if it isn't a secret
16.15.10 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: Not Rockbox - work I get paid for, but don't want to be doing on a Sunday!
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16.16.18 #       <jhMikeS> amiconn: that's certainly cleaner
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16.19.42 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: When I get some free time I'll have a look at the LCD thing, and let you know when I've got that working.
16.27.57 #       <jhMikeS> JdGordon: I can't see how the Encoder Settings is coming up with a Not Done yet!
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16.35.41 #       <jhMikeS> I see it now
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17.40.46 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: what turn's led off *ptr &= ~(1 << 13); or *ptr |= (1 << 13);
17.41.19 #       <Gnelik> ??
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17.46.55 #       <Strogg> hrmm somewhere, something is calling as instead of arm-elf-as and it's botching my build..
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17.51.46 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: I think that when bit 13 is on, the LED is off - so *ptr |= (1 << 13);
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17.51.56 #       <Gnelik> dan_a:
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17.52.03 #       <Gnelik> I have
17.52.23 #       <Gnelik> Some result it executes to set_irq_level(0);
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17.54.18 #       <dan_a> Excellent news!
17.54.30 #       <Gnelik> 5 blinks
17.55.39 #       <Gnelik> Comment it and you'l see yellow scren
17.55.55 #       <Gnelik> It comes to logo
17.56.28 #       <Strogg> man.. Makefile syntax is so crazy
17.57.47 #       <Strogg> Can someone explain what this make line does?
17.57.52 #       <Strogg>    $(call PRINTS,AR+RANLIB $(@F))$(AR) ruv $@ $(OBJS) >/dev/null 2>&1
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17.59.42 #       <Gnelik> dan_a:Greate news
17.59.43 #       <Gnelik> !
18.00.06 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: Do you mean you actually see the Rockbox logo?
18.00.26 #       <Gnelik> No
18.00.33 #       <Gnelik> Because of lcd driver
18.00.59 #       <Gnelik> But it goes very far
18.01.15 #       <dan_a> :D
18.01.31 #       <Gnelik> gui_syncstatusbar_init(&statusbars);
18.01.34 #       <Gnelik> Exectly
18.01.46 #       <Gnelik> I didnt make blinks after that
18.02.15 #       <Lear> strogg: Calls ar to build an archive?
18.02.47 #       <Lear> Forget the first $() part, it just echoes the command.
18.03.26 #       <Strogg> Lear: hrmm ok, thanks
18.05.34 #       <Strogg> ok.. here's my problem.. I know what it is, but I can't figure out how to solve it..
18.06.14 #       <Strogg> when you first build from a clean source, the first thing it does is build the tools.  For this, it needs a gcc and as for the host system.
18.06.27 #       <Strogg> I've got gcc and as in my path, so all is good.
18.07.03 #       <Strogg> but later when it's building the firmware, it's trying to use as instead of arm-elf-as, and it's giving me an error.
18.07.32 #       <Lear> You mean, despite using arm-elf-gcc?
18.08.33 #       <Strogg> is there a way to make 'make' more verbose?  I only see CC ata_idle_notify.c
18.08.41 #       <Strogg> as: unrecognized option `-mcpu=arm7tdmi'
18.09.48 #       <Lear> Use 'make V=1'
18.10.15 #       <Strogg> Hrmm. yeah, despite using arm-elf-gcc
18.10.31 #       <Lear> Could be that you have wrong binutils. (Similar problems happen on m68k with a too new binutils.)
18.10.31 #       <Strogg> Can I paste the command and error?
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18.10.47 #       <Strogg> (it's a big gcc line. hehe)
18.11.11 #       <Strogg> actually.. I better not.. it's pretty huge.
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18.12.14 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: it seems ata_init hangs up
18.12.19 #       <Strogg> Lear: http://pastey.net/2547
18.12.45 #       <Lear> Yep, I do suspect a "bad" version of binutils. What does "arm-elf-as -v" say?
18.13.08 #       <Strogg> GNU assembler version 2.15 (arm-elf) using BFD version 2.15
18.13.08 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: Try using the version of ata-e200.c that is in CVS
18.14.29 #       * Strogg wonders why no one else gets these errors when they build
18.14.45 #       <Lear> Strogg: Old version of binutils, it seems. 2.16.1 is known to work.
18.15.37 #       <Strogg> hrmm ok.. I'll try and make a new toolchain and try again
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18.22.01 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: ata_init() == 0 - no errors?
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18.23.16 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: I think so - but I can't remember for certain.  I've not put error handling in the NAND driver yet
18.24.25 #       <Gnelik> dan_a:We come to Partition detection
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18.25.45 #       <dan_a> With the driver in CVS (which does nothing,) partition detection will fail.
18.26.02 #       <Gnelik> I know
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18.26.07 #       <Gnelik> It writes somethin
18.26.10 #       <Gnelik> g
18.26.34 #       <Gnelik> But only it can write is partition error
18.27.40 #       <Gnelik> We need NAND read to go further
18.27.45 #       <Gnelik> And lcd driver too
18.29.41 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: OK.  Which version of the Sansa do you have?
18.29.54 #       <Gnelik> 250
18.31.58 #       <dan_a> I've been doing some more work on the patch, to clear up some warnings and to stop it including wmcodec.c - I'll post up a patch soon and make sure that the ATA driver is correct.
18.32.18 #       <dan_a> It's possible that whatever is stopping the LCD driver working is stopping the ATA driver too.
18.33.47 #       <Gnelik> dan_a:
18.34.00 #       <Gnelik> Haw can i update with next patch
18.34.07 #       <Gnelik> with curent?
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18.35.42 #       <dan_a> I don't think there is an easy way to do it.  Have you made many changes?
18.36.05 #       <Gnelik> nope
18.36.11 #       <Gnelik> oly in main.c
18.36.34 #       <Gnelik> only
18.39.07 #       <dan_a> The patch doesn't touch main.c, so you can roll back the old patch (patch -R -p1 < e200_3.patch) and then apply the new one.
18.39.52 #       <Gnelik> ok
18.40.13 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: Farest point for now dircashe init
18.41.40 #       <dan_a> Again, that will rely on a working disk driver
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18.47.35 #       <Gnelik> dan_a:Gona go now.Bye.
18.47.51 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: Bye.  And thanks for your work on this.
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18.48.34 #       <Strogg> man.. I've gotten all sorts of images to build, but none of them run on my ipod..
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18.49.33 #       <senab> after installing the cross compiler, is it safe to delete build-rbdev?
18.49.46 #       <senab> cus it's taking up 400mb
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18.50.38 #       <Strogg> Ok.. so, I've built an image from CVS, and I get an error on bootup.. "Prefetch abort at DEADBEEE".. I searched the forum, and there's a lot of erefences to a bug that's been fixed..
18.50.47 #       <Strogg> anyone know the info on this one?
18.51.01 #       <senab> for what build?
18.51.07 #       <Strogg> ipod video
18.51.12 #       <Strogg> 30gb
18.51.31 #       <senab> any patches?
18.51.54 #       <Strogg> no patchs.. straight from CVS, with a toolchain that's built from the script in the tools directory
18.52.21 #       <dan_a> That sounds like some kind of stack error
18.52.56 #       <Strogg> lemme try again, just to make sure it's not some crazy screwup on my end..
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19.03.47 #       <obo> jhMikeS: http://obo.gotdns.org:8000/borkborkbork.png :D
19.04.18 #       <n1s> :-D
19.04.18 #       <[g2]> what command-line linux tool do you guys recommend for manipulating mp3 tags ?
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19.29.41 #       <atrus> mostly ot: i've got an iaudio x5 (rockbox working nicely thank you :) ). somewhere in the back of my brain something's telling me i once heard something about this being compatible with some ipod accessories. anybody know more than i do in this regard?
19.31.12 #       <Soap> well, if the accessory uses the dock connector...
19.32.05 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: new patch is fully without Nand driver?
19.32.21 #       <atrus> the dock looks vaguely similar (at a distance :) )
19.33.33 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: It is.  The NAND driver is not ready to be committed yet, but I think that this patch can be, soon
19.34.23 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: What in driver isnt working yet??
19.36.18 #       <dan_a> I want to get reading above 4Gb working properly before it's committed.  Also writing doesn't work and there is no error checking (which we will need to get fixed quickly) and the microSD slot isn't supported (which can wait a while)
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19.38.57 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: can it read and find partitions?
19.39.33 #       <dan_a> Yes
19.40.32 #       <Gnelik> Do you have a time to work on sansa now?
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19.40.46 #       <Gnelik> We need to invistigate lcd bug
19.41.09 #       <dan_a> I do
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19.49.22 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: I can't see any reason why it isn't working
19.50.55 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: I've got one idea (I don't know if it's a good idea or not, though) - it might be that only certain areas of memory will work as the framebuffer.
19.51.21 #       <dan_a> I think that the areas used should be in the .map files
19.54.25 #       <amiconn> The sansa lcd hookup is serial??
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19.54.49 #       <ompaul> is old the current "stable release"  or is it something else?
19.55.33 #       <dan_a> There's a serial command connection (bit banged GPIO), but it reads the framebuffer itsself.
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19.57.33 #       <dan_a> There's a big difference in the addresses for the framebuffer in the bootloader and normal builds I have here... I wonder if that is it
19.57.55 #       <amiconn> That's bad...
19.58.25 #       <amiconn> Many parts of rockbox rely on framebuffer updates not showing up on th elcd immediately
19.58.56 #       <amiconn> Guess the Sansa needs 2 framebuffers then, the rockbox framebuffer and the hardware framebzffer
19.59.20 #       <dan_a> amiconn: I don't know - we tell the hardware when to read the FB
19.59.21 #       <amiconn> At least updates will be simple, just one (or a bunch of) memcpy's
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19.59.45 #       <amiconn> dan_a: Can you tell it to only read a rectangular area?
19.59.58 #       <dan_a> Not that we know of
20.00.30 #       <amiconn> Hmm, perhaps that's not necessary, depending on how fast the hardware reads
20.01.14 #       <dan_a> Is lcd_update_rect just used for performance, or could there be things outside that rectangle being updated?
20.02.10 #       <amiconn> It's primarily used for performance, dunno whether there are parts of code which rely on outside areas not being transferred
20.02.26 #       <amiconn> The update recatngle isn't pixel exact on all targets anyway
20.03.24 #       <dan_a> I guess we'll wait and see if there are strange artifacts when we've got RB booting properly, and if neccessary introduce the double buffer.
20.03.46 #       <amiconn> On mono & greyscale targets lcd_update_rect() may update more than the specified area
20.03.58 #       <amiconn> It rounds up to full bytes
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20.04.55 #       <amiconn> The monochrome format consists of 1x8 pixel blocks, greyscale can be 1x4 pixel blocks (h1x0), 4x1 pixel blocks (greyscale ipods), or 1x8 pixel blocks (x5 remote)
20.06.37 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: nothing strange in .map files
20.07.37 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: Look at the addresses for lcd_framebuffer in bootloader.map and rockbox.map - on mine they are a long way apart.
20.09.33 #       <dan_a> I'm going to see what happens if I put the framebuffer in IRAM, just as an experiment
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20.10.26 #       <amiconn> dan_a: There might be another problem, provided that you remap the ram the same way as on the other pp targets
20.10.49 #       <amiconn> The lcd controller might not follow the remapping, or have its own remap registers
20.11.49 #       <dan_a> amiconn: We do remap in the same way.  That would explain it not working.  But isn't there some remapping happens in the bootloader?
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20.14.24 #       <[g2]> dan_a any info on the JTAG BSDL for the sansa ?
20.15.02 #       <dan_a> [g2]: Sorry, I don't know anything about JTAG
20.15.44 #       <[g2]> dan_a it sounds like you are doing some sansa development
20.16.08 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: look at boot.lds
20.16.12 #       <Gnelik> and app.lds
20.16.25 #       <Gnelik> [g2]: We do
20.17.40 #       <[g2]> Gnelik dan_a last time I e-mailed Daniel S. a couple weeks ago there wasn't any information about the BDSL file for using the JTAG on the Sansa e series
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20.18.32 #       * [g2] would like to be able to hook up JTAG then be able to do HW debugging and have complete control over unit
20.19.05 #       <[g2]> it'll be interesting what NV does with the PP line
20.19.16 #       <Gnelik>  dan_a: Ha
20.19.42 #       <Gnelik> Try this: copy #elif CONFIG_CPU == PP5024
20.19.42 #       <Gnelik>    #define DRAMORIG 0x10000000
20.19.42 #       <Gnelik>    #define IRAMORIG 0x40000000
20.19.42 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Gnelik
20.19.42 #       <Gnelik>    #define IRAMSIZE 0x18000
20.19.42 #       <Gnelik>    #define FLASHORIG 0x001f0000
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20.19.43 #       <Gnelik>    #define FLASHSIZE 2M
20.19.45 #       <Gnelik> to apps.lds
20.20.26 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: does that work?
20.20.36 #       <Gnelik> Nope
20.20.46 #       <Gnelik> I didn't try
20.20.51 #       <Gnelik> But it can
20.22.42 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: I'm just on the phone at the moment - I'll try when I'm off the phone.  I suspect amiconn might be right though.
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20.25.34 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: I am mega programer
20.25.38 #       <Gnelik> :)))))))))))))))))))))
20.25.45 #       <Gnelik> I see logo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20.25.54 #       <n1s> nice
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20.37.08 #       <[g2]> Gnelik did you just get the sanse LCD working ?
20.37.13 #       <[g2]> sansa
20.37.26 #       <Gnelik> Yep
20.37.30 #       <Gnelik> On normal buils
20.37.39 #       <[g2]> ~praise Gnelik dan_a
20.37.57 #       <[g2]> I guess there's not bot in here
20.38.04 #       <[g2]> that does that
20.38.21 #       <[g2]> Gnelik dan_a _congrats_ !
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20.38.53 #       <[g2]> Gnelik is that an svn build ?
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20.39.47 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: Why does that work?
20.40.05 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: I did that i tell you
20.40.47 #       <dan_a> I know.  The other PP targets don't need to do that - why does Sansa?
20.41.13 #       <Gnelik> I don't know
20.41.39 #       <dan_a> I think it proves amiconn right.
20.42.55 #       <Gnelik> i need nand driver
20.43.01 #       <preglow> ehm
20.43.06 #       <Gnelik> can you give me what you have
20.43.14 #       <preglow> you use that in the lds file and still remap memory?
20.44.47 #       <Gnelik> dan_a:????
20.46.40 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: I've just msg'd you a place you can download them from
20.47.11 #       <dan_a> I don't think that putting that in the lds file is right, even if it works.
20.48.41 #       <Gnelik> I don't think so to
20.49.12 #       <dan_a> It looks like we need to give the LCD driver the unremapped address of the lcd_framebuffer.  Is there a clean way to find that?
20.49.16 #       <preglow> is the pp5024 lcd controller external?
20.49.28 #       <dan_a> No, it's built in
20.49.33 #       <preglow> then weird
20.49.50 #       <preglow> but no, no clean way i can think of apart from just applying the hard coded offset
20.50.10 #       <preglow> which is 0x10000000
20.50.29 #       <preglow> try putting the framebuffer in iram
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20.51.42 #       <dan_a> I thought I had in a test I did - but I've just checked the .map file and it is still in DRAM... oops!
20.52.10 #       <preglow> heh
20.55.24 #       <dan_a> Odd.  I've got "#define IRAM_LCDFRAMEBUFFER IDATA_ATTR" in my config-e200.h, but the framebuffer is going into DRAM.
20.56.24 #       <dan_a> Ah, found it!
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20.57.44 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: What
20.57.50 #       <Gnelik> ???
20.58.03 #       <Gnelik> I cant write to screen but Show colo can
20.58.26 #       <amiconn> dan_a: There is a reason why we need to remap for mainline: the arm interrupt vector table can only reside at address zero
20.59.05 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: edit firmware/export/config.h and add PP5024 to the list of defines for IRAM, at the bottom of the file
20.59.25 #       <amiconn> bbl
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20.59.39 #       <Gnelik> And kill my defenations?
21.00.56 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: Yes
21.02.05 #       <Nimdae> boot with hold to clear settings seriously needs to be reconsidered D:
21.02.12 #       <dan_a> Ah.  There's a problem with putting the framebuffer in IRAM.
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21.06.19 #       <Gnelik>  dan_a: it don't working
21.06.46 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: No.  The framebuffer is too big
21.11.08 #       <Gnelik> Can we do something wit it
21.11.12 #       <Gnelik> ???
21.11.16 #       <Gnelik> wit = with
21.12.33 #       <dan_a> Right now I'm testing it by putting the framebuffer in IRAM, and setting IRAMSIZE to 0x20000 - which doesn't leave any IRAM for the plugins.
21.13.26 #       <dan_a> What I'm going to do is test applying an offset to the framebuffer address that we give to the LCD driver, and having the framebuffer in DRAM
21.13.34 #       <Gnelik> at 0x18000 it works normaly
21.14.27 #       <dan_a> That leaves 0x2000 bytes for plugins.
21.14.29 #       <readonmylips> sansa port dev --> YOU ROCK !
21.14.39 #       <dan_a> Thank you!
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21.14.53 #       <Gnelik> We are %)
21.15.24 #       <Nimdae> i think they smell funny
21.15.27 #       <Gnelik> why framebuffer is so big
21.15.32 #       <readonmylips> just finished the daily log and its far better than any others lectures (readings?)
21.15.42 #       <Gnelik> isn't it bigger in iP Video?
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21.16.48 #       <Gnelik> Screen i biger there?
21.17.03 #       <Gnelik> i = is
21.17.05 #       <dan_a> It is, but it doesn't put it in IRAM
21.17.29 #       <dan_a> What did you need to take out of init() to get show_logo to work?
21.17.33 #       <Gnelik> Lets put it there
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21.18.00 #       <Gnelik> ser_irq_level
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21.18.48 #       <dan_a> is that all?
21.18.49 #       <readonmylips>  test on real hardware will block me to read with "normal" firmware and actual mp3 library ?
21.19.14 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: yep
21.19.37 #       <dan_a> readonmylips: At the moment, yes - but when you put the original firmware back on, you can read your MP3 library again
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21.21.00 #       <dan_a> Hahahaha!  "No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it"  I think that means I'm writing to the screen :D
21.21.46 #       <readonmylips> ok. and what do have to do to test your firmware ? my cvs dir -with rockbox-dev is done and updated
21.21.53 #       <Gnelik> What did you do
21.22.17 #       <Gnelik> dan_a:????
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21.22.55 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: I put the LCD framebuffer in IRAM.  Next to move it back to DRAM
21.23.45 #       <dan_a> readonmylips: You need to patch with e200_4.patch from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6336
21.24.07 #       <Gnelik> it didnt write me about partitions
21.24.42 #       <dan_a> I'm using the dummy ATA driver, not the one which reads the disk.
21.26.05 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: i made buffer lager but it don't shows a logo
21.26.49 #       <dan_a> Gnelik: Have you edited firmware/export/config-e200.h to put the framebuffer in IRAM?
21.27.05 #       <Gnelik> nope
21.27.12 #       <dan_a> Try that
21.28.29 #       <Gnelik> Where?
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21.28.43 #       <Gnelik> I can't see  the place
21.29.32 #       <dan_a> #define IRAM_LCDFRAMEBUFFER IDATA_ATTR /* put the lcd frame buffer in IRAM */
21.31.08 #       <Gnelik> How do we put buffer to DRAM?
21.32.05 #       <dan_a> Comment that line out, like it is in CVS
21.32.58 #       <Gnelik> :)
21.33.11 #       <Gnelik> Grrr. It dont swo log
21.33.24 #       <Gnelik> It don't shows logo
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21.40.34 #       <Gnelik> dan_a: When i changed apps.lds
21.40.43 #       <Gnelik> it was in DRAM i think
21.40.53 #       <dan_a> It was.
21.41.32 #       <Gnelik> DRAMORIG 0x10000000 was changed
21.41.42 #       <Gnelik> maybe this effects?
21.43.19 #       <dan_a> It does.  In a normal build, DRAM is remapped from 0x10000000 to 0x00000000.  But the LCD controller doesn't know about this.
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21.44.01 #       <dan_a> If you tell the linker that DRAM is at 0x10000000, then it will put the framebuffer where the LCD controller can see it, but you will break all sorts of other things
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21.44.23 #       * Bagder just handed out some more sansa research
21.44.29 #       <dan_a> Yay!
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21.45.48 #       <Gnelik> Bye
21.46.00 #       <Gnelik> Gona go now
21.46.03 #       <dan_a> See you later
21.46.13 #       <readonmylips> cya
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21.48.56 #       <dan_a> Woo!  Manufacturing mode!
21.49.40 #       <readonmylips> whats that ?
21.50.34 #       <dan_a> It could potentially help us unbrick a Sansa
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21.54.25 #       <tomal> Hey, I've just put a set of patches to FS (#6357). They change codecs memory layout and save some memory.
21.55.01 #       <tomal> Could someone test and comment them? Rockbox on iFP doesn't yet work well enough.
21.58.49 #       <preglow> tomal: the last one looks interesting
21.59.09 #       <Lear> Yes, but even considering temporary mallocs, Tremor can be quite memory hungry...
21.59.17 #       <preglow> well, that's how it was designed
22.00.54 #       <preglow> annoyingly
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22.02.32 #       <Lear> Apparantly that was based on a guess on how embedded platforms would evolve...
22.03.23 #       <preglow> yeah, i read that somewhere
22.03.32 #       <preglow> problem is, he wasn't really wrong
22.03.34 #       <preglow> just half wrong :>
22.03.47 #       <Lear> Another point, AAC is actually quite malloc hungry too, for large files. The current way the seek tables are created uses lots of memory.
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22.03.56 #       <preglow> ugh, aac
22.04.01 #       <preglow> i really want to be rid of faad
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22.05.10 #       <Lear> We could ditch SBR and PS. Neither the iPod nor the Zune supports that anyway...
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22.05.50 #       <preglow> we probably should, yes
22.06.08 #       <tomal> maybe then it would fit in iFP memory
22.06.09 #       <preglow> at least for now
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22.06.30 #       <preglow> the only format apart from aac-lc that is used, is aac+sbr+ps
22.06.35 #       <Lear> Btw, are SBR files realtime on iPod as it is now?
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22.06.38 #       <preglow> and i don't think we can make that work realtime
22.06.47 #       <preglow> Lear: i sincerely doubt it, even lc files are barely realtime
22.06.53 #       <preglow> sbr adds considerable complexity
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22.07.15 #       <preglow> besides, i have no sbr files with which to test
22.07.33 #       <Lear> You can create them with the Nero encoder.
22.07.49 #       <preglow> is there a linux binary around
22.07.50 #       <preglow> ?
22.08.21 #       <Lear> There's been talk about it at least, but I don't know the status.
22.08.27 #       <preglow> tried sbr on iriver?
22.08.57 #       <preglow> i wonder what the hell's up with aac in ffmpeg
22.09.08 #       <Lear> Yep. Not realtime. Several tables not in IRAM is one reason.
22.09.16 #       <preglow> how far from realtime?
22.09.30 #       <preglow> tables? does it need lots of them? sounds weird
22.10.14 #       <Lear> Pretty bad, but I haven't any measurements. I'd guess less than half realtime.
22.10.25 #       <preglow> doesn't sound unreasonable by far
22.10.46 #       <preglow> i really wouldn't use sbr for anything but streaming anyway
22.10.56 #       <Martian67> do plugins for rockbox have to be specificly designed for rockbox
22.11.03 #       <Lear> I don't remember exactly, but table constants, like sine or cosine tables.
22.11.04 #       <Martian67> or is there a decent way to compile generic code?
22.11.09 #       <preglow> and as far as i know, there's no point in using aac at so low bitrates. vorbis both sounds better and is easier to decompress than aac+sbr
22.11.25 #       <preglow> Martian67: well, the api interface is rockbox specific, sure
22.11.45 #       <preglow> if you mean an easy way to just port some c program, then no
22.11.47 #       <Martian67> was thinking how cool a scummvm port would be for higher end players
22.12.02 #       <preglow> i think someone's actually had a look at scummvm
22.12.02 #       <Martian67> but it would require alot of work
22.12.04 #       <preglow> but no, not easy
22.12.19 #       <Martian67> it should be possible
22.12.22 #       <Martian67> its runs of the DXZ
22.12.23 #       <Martian67> *DS
22.12.40 #       <preglow> ahh
22.12.41 #       <preglow> scummvm is c++
22.12.48 #       <preglow> then it sure as hell won't be easy
22.12.58 #       <Martian67> nope :(
22.13.02 #       <Bagder> or we'll get a busload of extra linkage
22.13.20 #       <roolku> hi, is anybody here who has experience with the h120 rs-232 connection and/or the commit by LinusN to enable logf output through it?
22.13.38 #       <Martian67> would have to be a reimplentation
22.13.40 #       <Martian67> aka alot of work
22.13.44 #       <roolku> I have built an adapter and it works with the OF as described at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#TXD_RXD_connectors but not with rockbox :(
22.13.44 #       <Bagder> roolku: afaik, only LinusN has used that
22.14.13 #       <Martian67> just imagine how cool maniac mansion would be :)
22.14.18 #       <preglow> dott!
22.14.20 #       <roolku> badger: okay, I'll see if I can catch him
22.15.05 #       <preglow> but c++ in rockbox shouldn't be exactly impossible, at least for plugins. you'd need to not use iostream, also we'd need to code a malloc and use it to wrap operator new
22.15.18 #       <preglow> stuff like exception handling we'd want to disable, i gues
22.15.19 #       <preglow> s
22.15.25 #       <Nimdae> i think i discovered something concerning usb...not all usb ports are created equal...i was getting a net gain on battery charge on a computer at work on my ipod
22.15.32 #       <Nimdae> it charged to 100% while playing
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22.16.14 #       <Nimdae> doesn't do that on my computers at home
22.16.24 #       <Martian67> or imagine a GNASH player for higher end models :)
22.16.33 #       <Martian67> that could be pretty cool
22.17.24 #       <preglow> yes, flash, that's what i need on my dap...
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22.17.50 #       <Martian67> preglow: who cares, its  all pretty gimmiky anyway :)
22.18.01 #       <Martian67> who need sudoku or chess :P
22.18.29 #       <Martian67> can hardly wait for a full 5.5 port
22.18.50 #       <Martian67> although no comlaints on the current,  ipod firmware sucks anyway
22.20.51 #       <dan_a> Can anyone tell me how the bitmap build system works?  The Rockbox logo seems to be being made as an RGB565SWAPPED image, which doesn't look good on an RGB565 screen
22.21.38 #       <Bagder> dan_a: it should be controlled by the configure file
22.21.46 #       <Bagder> bmp2rb_native="$rootdir/tools/bmp2rb -f 5"
22.22.02 #       <dan_a> Thank you
22.22.39 #       <dan_a> I've got the cache flush written, and we're starting to get somewhere
22.22.50 #       <Bagder> great!
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22.41.57 #       <niskel> I am having my trouble booting my iPod in Rockbox or Original firmware!
22.42.46 #       <Nimdae> describe "trouble"
22.42.59 #       <niskel> Rockbox error: -1
22.43.09 #       <niskel> Loading original firmware...
22.43.12 #       <niskel> that is it
22.43.20 #       <niskel> even if I hold down the menu button
22.43.34 #       <Nimdae> holding the menu button will boot the original firmware
22.43.42 #       <Nimdae> do you have the .rockbox folder on your ipod?
22.43.55 #       <Nimdae> and the rockbox.ipod file?
22.44.01 #       <niskel> I should
22.44.12 #       <niskel> I cant get into the disc to do anything about it
22.44.23 #       <Strogg> you can't plug it into USB?
22.44.29 #       <Nimdae> you should be able to
22.44.38 #       <scorche> reboot and hols select and play
22.44.41 #       <scorche> hold
22.44.51 #       <Strogg> yeah.. the ipod has a rescue disk mode..
22.45.10 #       <niskel> scorche: thanks
22.45.11 #       <Strogg> well.. -the +my
22.45.13 #       <niskel> that let me in
22.45.19 #       <Nimdae> well, even still, you can get to it from the apple firmware too
22.45.39 #       <niskel> that was the problem... it wouldnt even boot apple firmware
22.45.51 #       <Nimdae> did you give it some time?
22.46.00 #       <niskel> +1 minute...
22.46.07 #       <Nimdae> hmmm...
22.46.28 #       <tomal> Ok, I have to go, if anyone takes a look at my patches, please comment them in FS.
22.46.28 #       <scorche> dont worry about it for now...copy the .ipod file and the .rockbox folder for now, and then you can test it later ;)
22.46.32 #       <tomal> Bye.
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22.47.11 #       <Terinjokes> anyone know where itunes 7 keeps the firmware files?
22.47.45 #       <niskel> There, back in. The zip file didnt unzip properly :/
22.47.57 #       <niskel> or the iPod didnt unmount properly
22.48.20 #       <niskel> all is good now. Thanks!
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22.48.32 #       <Nimdae> yeah, be sure to "eject" it before disconnecting ;)
22.48.39 #       <spug> every time i plug out the USB cable, my H300 says "scanning directories..." or something, even though i always unmount it first
22.49.15 #       <spug> how come?
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22.50.27 #       <Nimdae> are you "ejecting" or "unmounting"? these are different things, at least in linux
22.51.18 #       <niskel> I am using linux
22.51.27 #       <niskel> I usually just use KDE to unmount/eject
22.51.35 #       <niskel> they call it "Safely remove"
22.51.45 #       <Nimdae> yeah, ubuntu says eject
22.51.51 #       <Nimdae> but they basically evoke the eject command
22.52.01 #       <Nimdae> which "safely" unmounts it
22.52.33 #       <niskel> strange thing is though, is that it never shows the checkmark on the ipod
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22.52.41 #       <Nimdae> i accidentally discovered that using unmount was bad, heh
22.52.47 #       <niskel> it always still shows the do not eject symbol
22.52.53 #       <Nimdae> weird
22.52.55 #       <Terinjokes> anyone? iPod Updater no longer exists
22.52.57 #       <niskel> what is wrong with unmount?
22.53.10 #       <Nimdae> when i use eject in ubuntu and rhel4 it gives me the checkmark
22.53.20 #       <Nimdae> niskel: it doesn't flush the buffers to disk
22.53.29 #       <Nimdae> i ended up with file corruption
22.54.04 #       <Nimdae> well, at least for removable devices
22.54.12 #       <niskel> so to properly eject, would just doing an 'eject /dev/sdg' work?
22.54.16 #       <Nimdae> yeah
22.54.17 #       <niskel> where /dev/sdg is the ipod
22.54.22 #       <amiconn> Hrmm, tomal never stays for long :/
22.56.58 #       <Nimdae> niskel: also, with my new 4gb usb drive, i noticed that even though the os says it's done copying, the drive itself indicated it was still writing to the drive...~2gb kept showing the indication for about 2 minutes after os said it was done...unmount would kill that immediately, whereas eject would allow that to finish
22.57.03 #       <Nimdae> at least in my experience
22.57.06 #       <Terinjokes> any ideas?
22.57.22 #       <Nimdae> on what?
22.57.43 #       <Terinjokes> where i can find the ipod firmware, now that ipod updater is gone
22.59.07 #       <niskel> Nimdae: I can only eject if I am root :/
22.59.45 #       <Nimdae> Terinjokes: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ipodupdater20060628forwindows.html  this?
23.01.11 #       <amiconn> Lear: Tried your colour stripes with the updated dithering yet?
23.01.30 #       <spug> so in linux, is eject and umount the same or not?
23.01.49 #       <Lear> No, but I can do a quick test...
23.01.49 #       <spug> Nimdae: you said both that it was and that it wasn't?
23.02.20 #       <blue_lizard> it is not
23.02.29 #       <spug> ok
23.02.31 #       <amiconn> It should work. I tried with (85,85,85), (170,170,170) and (255,255,255)
23.02.32 #       <blue_lizard> eject is the command to pen the cd drive
23.02.45 #       <blue_lizard> or an device that can be opened
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23.03.02 #       <amiconn> All these give solid greylevels as they should
23.03.07 #       <blue_lizard> unmount is the command to detach an filesystem from the system
23.03.16 #       <Terinjokes> great! thanks, now only if i had windows
23.03.43 #       <amiconn> Best thing is that the new formula even saves a few insns on coldfire
23.03.48 #       <blue_lizard> some systems have a newer command that allows an user to mount unmount
23.03.55 #       <spug> but if i first eject the device, i can't unmount it afterwards?
23.03.56 #       <blue_lizard> pmount and pumount
23.04.36 #       <blue_lizard> depends on the device
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23.04.45 #       <blue_lizard> which device had you ejected?
23.04.54 #       <spug> iriver H300
23.05.05 #       <blue_lizard> and irive cannot be ejected
23.05.09 #       <amiconn> jhMikeS: I guess you use white foreground colour. That makes the selection frame in solitaire vanish completely...
23.05.10 #       <Lear> amiconn: yes, those were the colors I found to be dither free too.
23.05.14 #       <blue_lizard> it only can be unmounted
23.05.24 #       <spug> i can successfully run the eject command on it though
23.05.37 #       <blue_lizard> rfl
23.05.51 #       <blue_lizard> you can argument as long as you want
23.05.51 #       <amiconn> kkurbjun removed too much...
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23.05.56 #       <amiconn> dionoea: around?
23.05.56 #       <blue_lizard> you have problems not me
23.06.00 #       <Lear> amiconn: looked fine.
23.06.41 #       <spug> blue_lizard: i'm not saying that eject works fine, because i get the scanning directories message, just saying that the command works with no error messages and that's why i thought it worked okay
23.06.52 #       <spug> but pumount is perfect, thanks a lot
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23.08.38 #       <Nimdae> spug: eject will unmount the device, but it will flush to disk first, allowing safe unmount, so no, they aren't the same
23.09.27 #       <Strogg> Nimdae: umount doesn't flush first?
23.09.46 #       <blue_lizard> of course it does
23.09.46 #       <Nimdae> not in my experience
23.10.07 #       <Nimdae> i would have to dump my usb drive to disk and play with it to see for sure
23.10.09 #       <blue_lizard> umount and pumount remain blocked til the device is flushed
23.10.20 #       <niskel> ... eject is the only way I can get my iPod show a check mark indicating safe removal if that means anything
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23.10.45 #       <Nimdae> the only time i've had umount be blocked is when it was in use
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23.11.09 #       <Nimdae> when a device was in use i mean
23.11.09 #       <Strogg> eject likely sends some kind of usb-eject command to the device.
23.11.12 #       <spug> i couldn't umount my iriver because it wasn't in fstab, so i always used eject
23.11.24 #       <spug> i didn't know about pumount of course
23.11.37 #       <Nimdae> well, i've had file corruption using umount ;)
23.11.48 #       <Nimdae> maybe it was just a coincidence though
23.11.48 #       <Strogg> I didn't think umount cares about fstab.. I thought it only looks at mtab
23.11.53 #       <blue_lizard> pmount and pumount is the reason the device is not needed in fstab anymore
23.11.59 #       <Strogg> or maybe even /proc
23.12.11 #       <Nimdae> afaik if an entry is not in mtab, it checks proc, then fstab
23.12.14 #       * Strogg will have to check out pmount sometime
23.12.22 #       <Strogg> Nimdae: that sounds sane
23.12.33 #       <blue_lizard> gnome-volume-manager and afaik even kde uses pmount
23.12.47 #       <Nimdae> i'll have to look at pmount as well
23.12.56 #       <niskel> kde does use pmount
23.13.02 #       <Strogg> ooh. nice. debian comes pre-setup with it
23.13.19 #       <Nimdae> ah, pmount looks to just be a non-superuser wrapper for hotpluggable devices
23.14.12 #       <Nimdae> you specify the device, it grabs the label if a label wasn't specified, and mounts it under /media
23.14.26 #       <Nimdae> that's good to know
23.15.09 #       <spug> nifty
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23.17.32 #       <blue_lizard> a further nifty thing are custom rules for usb devices
23.18.00 #       <blue_lizard> i as an example have my iriver allways mounted as USB-HD-iRive
23.18.02 #       <blue_lizard> r%n
23.18.24 #       <blue_lizard> and the other known devices hav their own names too
23.19.13 #       <Nimdae> have there been advances in reducing battery load on the ipod?
23.19.23 #       <Nimdae> i seem to be getting a net gain on battery charge on my desktop now
23.19.28 #       <Nimdae> very small
23.19.50 #       <Nimdae> but after quite some time of playing (including some skipping, playlist changing, etc), i have a 6% increase
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23.20.58 #       <Nimdae> maybe my ipod is special
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23.27.48 #       <mirak> hi
23.28.05 #       <mirak> rockbox recent cvs are crashing on wav playing on iriver H300
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23.33.07 #       <Terinjokes> any ideas on how to extract the firmware from iPod_14.1.3.ipsw?
23.33.41 #       <Terinjokes> that's the latest firmware for the 1G iPod Nano
23.35.01 #       <Bagder> noooo, Rockbox is more recent ;-)
23.35.40 #       <Terinjokes> Bagder, true, except i would like 14.1.3 OF and rockbox ;-)
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23.36.02 #       <Bagder> I figured there was a catch somewhere... :-)
23.36.28 #       <Terinjokes> hopefully apple restored playback in OF when rockbox is also on the ipod :-)
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23.37.31 #       <Terinjokes> any ideas on extracting the firmware?
23.37.32 #       <rasher> What the..
23.37.46 #       <rasher> Rockbox is playing a song with a path of length > MAX_PATH
23.37.49 #       <rasher> How does that work
23.38.24 #       <rasher> Unless my counting's off.
23.41.02 #       <Terinjokes> hrm, maybe...
23.43.37 #       <rasher> Is rockbox strlen utf8 aware, or does a utf8-aware strlen exist?
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23.44.16 #       * ompaul congradulates the devs of this rather nice piece of software
23.44.23 #       <ndansmith> I am completely stumped as to how to use the virtual keyboard to save a .cf on my iPod Mini 2g
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23.44.40 #       <markun> rasher: utf8length()
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23.45.18 #       <rasher> markun: Ah, excellent. Do filenames entered with the vkeyboard get input as utf8?
23.46.07 #       <markun> yes, I think so
23.46.57 #       <rasher> So     if ( utf8length(newname) + 1 > MAX_PATH ) {
23.47.58 #       <rasher> would be a sensible check before creating a new fat entry?
23.48.18 #       <rasher> (I'll have to check the filename has not been converted to .. uh.. whatsit.. UCS.. something.. yet
23.48.38 #       <amiconn> fat entries are limited to 255 ucs-2 chars
23.49.05 #       <amiconn> That limit is from fat specifications
23.49.12 #       <rasher> Oh right, the name there is the individual entry, not the full path
23.49.15 #       <amiconn> vfat I mean
23.49.30 #       <rasher> Is it checked that the full path is not > MAX_PATH as well?
23.49.56 #       <amiconn> Path length is not part of the vfat specs
23.50.07 #       <rasher> It is according to
23.50.09 #       <rasher> eh
23.50.11 #       <amiconn> I don't know whether rockbox checks this, but I guess it does
23.50.14 #       <rasher> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5939#comment11704
23.52.13 #       <amiconn> Indeed it is
23.52.27 #       <rasher> I still think someone with a clue should extend fat_checkname to check for illegal characters and such
23.52.38 #       <rasher> Right now it just checks that the name doesn't end with "."
23.52.48 #       <amiconn> Howver, the specs are unclear about what characters it refers to
23.53.32 #       <amiconn> I _guess_ it refers to ucs-2 as well
23.53.37 #       <rasher> I would assume that as well
23.53.44 #       <rasher> As in, the characters that the user sees
23.53.59 #       <amiconn> A 260-char ucs-2 path can well exceed 260 bytes when expressed as utf-8
23.54.38 #       <rasher> Worst case, it could be 4*259+1, right?
23.54.50 #       <amiconn> nah
23.55.07 #       <amiconn> ucs-2 can only represent the unicode bmp
23.55.17 #       <rasher> Ah okay
23.55.26 #       <amiconn> ..and the 260 chars include the trailing \0
23.55.39 #       <rasher> so 3*259+1
23.55.39 #       <amiconn> ...so th elast char is always a single byte
23.55.48 #       <amiconn> yes
23.56.03 #       <rasher> That's... rather a lot more than 260 bytes
23.56.18 #       <amiconn> Hmm, in fact a few bytes less
23.56.46 #       <rasher> Oh yeah, there's a leading slash?
23.56.50 #       <amiconn> A filename can't be longer than 255 chars, so a path longer than 255 chars must contain at least one path separator
23.57.12 #       <rasher> so 3*257+3
23.57.13 #       <amiconn> ...and rockbox paths are always absolute, so the first is also a slash
23.57.29 #       <rasher> Still a hefty increase
23.57.47 #       <rasher> I say we go back to pure ASCII for everything.
23.58.07 #       <amiconn> haha
23.58.16 #       <rasher> Well, is Rockbox doing anything smart here, or is it simply assuming that everything goes well?
23.58.27 #       <amiconn> I dunno
23.58.57 #       <rasher> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5736