--- Log for 28.11.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 15 hours ago 00.01.44 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 00.01.46 Quit tim66_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.04.45 # Btw mice meeting you MacIver 00.04.47 # ooops 00.04.49 # markun 00.05.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.05.28 # mice? in this channel? 00.05.30 # MacGyver? 00.05.35 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 00.06.23 # `:) 00.06.39 # Mice are everywhere, never underestimate mice 00.06.48 # catbots 00.07.15 # argh, snakes, snakes 00.07.28 # sorry wrong small furry creature, that was badger badger 00.07.30 # not mice mice 00.07.41 # snakes are furry? 00.08.03 # yes, when eaten by mice 00.09.11 # no the badgers 00.09.15 # usually goes the other way 00.12.25 # jhMikeS, you've never seen badgerbadgerbadger.com (flash site)? 00.12.58 # mushroooooom mushrooooooom 00.13.10 # that's where the argh, snakes, snakes came from 00.14.38 # remembers me of bananaphone :) 00.14.57 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.16.13 # jda: Think I need some mushrooms for that to make sense :P 00.16.19 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 00.17.21 # jhMikeS, it's jba not jda 00.17.25 # but i get yah 00.17.43 # that's the whole beauty of it though 00.18.14 Quit rconan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.18.29 # jba: sorry...my typing stinks 00.18.45 # not as bad as mine, trust me 00.19.52 # I know the kernel is custom, but what is it based on? is it pure %100 in house? 00.20.47 # looks like someone decided to do an implementation of tanabaum's operatings systems textbook kernel and then decided to funk it up 00.21.44 # just a round robin scheduler with recently added priorities 00.21.44 # * jba appologises for brain fart 00.21.47 # 100% home grown kernel 00.22.38 # jhMikeS: that's uncommon 00.23.36 # * jhMikeS is looking at more weebls-stuff now... :D 00.23.54 # weebl rules 00.25.07 # and Bob (normally) obeys 00.25.31 # jhMikeS, http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgerphone.php .D 00.25.59 # hmmm odd 00.26.17 # Shouldn't subscribing to rockbox-dev send me a confirm email? 00.26.36 # hehe, wikipedia has quite some links 00.28.23 # Lars_G, I think so. At least I got one when I subscribed ... maybe the confirmation got delayed a bit? 00.28.40 # Maybe 00.28.57 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 00.30.19 # hey guys are there any plans to move to a more available embeded kernel in the future, or is that just too big a change? 00.30.28 # Someone in the forums posted a link to this ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.de/Pimp-my-iPod-iPod-Video-iPod-Nano-iPod-Mini_W0QQitemZ120054643720QQihZ002QQcategoryZ8267QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 00.31.11 # somebody should inform ebay 00.31.31 # what does gpl allow on this? 00.32.00 # hey gpl doesn't say you can't sell software 00.32.08 # if rockbox is GPLd, that's fine then 00.32.21 # if they make the sourcecode available to the buyer 00.32.22 # if they are distibuting source, they are doing nothing wrong, so long as those theme's and images aren't copyrighted of course 00.32.25 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 00.32.29 # pixelma: If he tells the user it's rockbox and/or offers a copy of the source or a link to the rockbox page, it's legal 00.32.45 # caveat emptor 00.32.49 # jba: He needs to make source accessible not even include it. 00.32.54 # they're selling a service anyways... 00.33.16 # Yes, but their is no attribution to Rockbox and no mention that the source is available. 00.33.23 # s/their/there 00.33.34 # Febs, gpl doesn't have an attribution clause 00.33.38 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 00.33.41 # yeah that's my concern - the offer doesn't mention rockbox with one word though I don't know how they handle it after you bought their service 00.33.43 # just the accessability of th esource 00.33.45 # are they allowed to sell it without announcing it's rockbox that gets installed? 00.34.01 # people do the same thing with OOo 00.34.06 # bluebrother: They are, afaik, if they make clear to the user the source is available 00.34.33 # Perhaps amiconn or someone else fluent in German could ask some questions of the seller. 00.34.48 # hmm. Maybe I should "buy" that pimp stuff. Too bad I don't own an ipod (and know how to do myself ;-) 00.35.03 # The license also would allow him to change the name from rockbox to "pimpin-coolio-ipod" and change the name and all sources to match, as long as the sources are still gpl 00.35.20 # do those questions appear automatically on the site or has the selle some influence there? 00.35.32 # the only issue is the the theme content, if it's creative commons license then he should be okay, otherwise, the creators of the theme content may have issue with it 00.35.39 # jba: I agree 00.35.39 # but he need to announce the software to be gpl, does he? 00.35.44 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp152-68.adsl.forthnet.gr) 00.35.46 # jba: I trust you're right about attribution; I haven't read the GPL recently. 00.36.00 # Febs, actually it's been a long time for me also 00.36.23 # but as i recall that's the reason for the main difference between MIT and BSD (attribution clause) 00.36.25 # jba: And it depends on the CC license. you could state he's gaining financially from the themes so if they're "noncommercial" he's breaking lic. also if they're "attribution" he needs to specify attrib somewhere 00.36.28 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.36.33 # anhyhow, is rb even GPL'ed or is it some other clause 00.36.55 # s/clause/license, I never checked when i dl'ed the source 00.37.02 # he announces to adjust the new pimp-software according to the wishes of the customer. Screams for trouble for the seller somewhat ;-) 00.37.58 # hehe, why not make a screenshot and put it to the official page ... "now Rockbox even gets sold" 00.38.01 # I've gotten a couple notifications from the rockbox forums saying there are new posts for me to read on a thread, but when I go there I can't find anything new. Anyone know what the deal is with that? 00.38.24 # also, why doesn't it just email me the post... it would be helpful in tracking what items are actually new 00.38.28 # bluebrother: only the looks though 00.38.49 # re: adjustment of rockbox 00.39.14 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.40.03 # hmm. I guess the most buyers will dislike the user interface ... as it's quite different from apple 00.40.27 # btw, would be interesting to know if he sold the manual too. And if it's been changed. 00.40.29 # lol 00.42.28 Join tehsmo [0] (n=whyrph@tysonyo.resnet.mtu.edu) 00.43.12 # Under the GPL, distribution in executable form MUST be accompanied by a written offer, valid for three years, to provide the source. 00.43.21 # strange. Has anybody looked at the feedback page of the seller? 00.43.49 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.43.58 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 00.44.51 # he has one negative feedback that doesn't gets counted 00.46.00 # indeed - and that's one of two feedback he got from buyers IIUC 00.46.04 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.46.56 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 00.47.57 # GPL clearly requires that copyright info be disclosed to the recipient. 00.47.59 # So, when will you port Firefox to rockbox? I demand it! 00.48.53 # shortly after acrobat reader, but before doom3 00.49.32 # "For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get thesource code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights." 00.49.58 # you actually can't tell if this guy will be legal or not... he doesn't need to disclose anything to anyone unless they are the winner of the auction 00.50.27 # Febs: Yes that means he needs to tell the buyers the program is GPL but nothing else, not who originally made it or so. 00.50.35 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.50.39 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 00.51.07 # Lars_G, but as Febs earlier said you must include an offer to hand out the sources 00.51.16 # correct 00.51.33 # hmm no... it seems that the last two feedbacks are just too old 00.51.47 # but I assume he doesn't ship any "hints" sheet 00.51.48 # But like hachi says, that applies to the customer, the one receiving the install and program 00.52.20 # too old feedbacks? I thought ebay doesn't delete the feedback points 00.52.27 # The only way would be purchasing from him. to have his data and see if he offers it. 00.52.43 # And to distribute the source, you must include "an appropriate copyright notice." But it doesn't appear that the copyright notice needs to be distributed with the executable. 00.52.50 # correct, very old negative feedback is still counted. It's very odd in this case that it's not counted. 00.53.09 # bluebrother: I actually don't know - it was just a guess 00.53.11 # it's counted as per the sum but not for the percentage value 00.53.16 Quit bawb2 (Remote closed the connection) 00.53.26 # Febs: No, but it's the distribution of the binary that triggers that requirement. And you're not forced by the gpl to distribute. 00.53.49 # Febs: Also by the GPL he would be entitled to charge as much for the binary for the distribution of the source. 00.54.22 # someone should tell that netzwelt.de guy to buy from him :D 00.54.35 # I don't know german, or whatever lang it was... but it looked like he was selling a service, not the binary 00.54.38 Quit z0de ("\o/ my neck") 00.54.50 # haha 00.55.15 # hachi: German 00.55.27 # I believe he said something along the lines of you sending him the iPod, and he puts the software on for you 00.55.33 # hachi: but the service includes installation of the software, so he is distributing the software. 00.55.34 # hachi: the ".de" ending to the ebay url should tip you off ;) 00.55.41 # Chris____: Seems so. 00.55.51 # Febs: Correct. 00.55.57 # Febs: What is exactly your point here? 00.55.59 # I closed the window long ago 00.56.07 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.57.46 # Lars_G: I think we're saying the same thing. He can distribute the binary, so long he includes an offer to distribute the source. 00.57.58 # Febs: Yep I think we are :) 00.58.12 # And the only way to find out would be buying the service from him 00.58.18 # you could email him and ask for the source... citing the GPL 00.58.27 # hachi: No you couldn't 00.58.49 # aren't the buyers public? 00.58.56 # why can't you? 00.59.02 # hachi: He'd be obligued to send you the source or provide you with access to it (simply the url to Rockbox) if he has distributed it to YOU 00.59.11 # hachi: And, you can't force him to distribute the binary to you 00.59.31 # rockbox on the nintendo ds would be wonderful. anyone ever toy with that idea? 00.59.54 # He's forced per the GPL to offer access to the source at equal or lower price than the binary to the people he has distributesd the binary to. 01.00.15 # if the questions you ask a seller appear automatically on the site someone could spoil the fun by asking directly about rockbox, or am I on the wrong track there? 01.00.24 # relaxed, I don't believe someone ever started working on it. 01.00.42 # pixelma: Why "spoil" it for him? he's basically offering a service. 01.00.48 # The questions don't appear automatically. 01.00.57 # pixelma, I'm not sure if the questions appear automatically but as far as I've seen they to when the seller replies 01.01.08 # but I never sold something on ebay 01.01.20 # pixelma: I tell you, as long as he does comply with the GPL, I preffer someone with knowledge installing rockbox for the newbies than the idjits installing it themselves and then comming here to say "you broke my ipod!!!11!!11" 01.01.33 # You can answer questions privately without them appearing in the auction. 01.01.47 # Lars_G, exactly 01.02.01 # people seem to get caught up in the GPL and miss the whole spirit of the damn thing 01.02.06 # Lars_G: I guess some of his potential buyers would install it themselves if they knew about rockbox 01.02.10 # Lars_G, is he really allowed to ask for up to the price as for the binaries for the source? I thought he only could ask for some transfer compensation 01.02.20 # it's just annoying because that guy acts like he'strying to hide the fact he's installing rockbox 01.02.24 # good luck to him if he can make money selling an installation service, that is sorely needed 01.02.24 # jba: It's the reason I normally (save a few exceptions) preffer the BSD license. 01.02.46 # Lars_G, depends on the type of project, runtime -> MIT like, decent app -> GPL like 01.02.50 # for me anyhow 01.03.28 # bluebrother: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCDoesTheGPLAllowDownloadFee 01.03.33 # * Kasperle mutters something about needing a useful BSD-licensed c compiler and scuttles off ;) 01.03.40 # bluebrother: Altough it seems to apply to download only 01.03.52 # Kasperle: Try begging intel to BSD theirs :P 01.03.58 # haha 01.04.01 # The source needs to be distributed for a "charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution." (Section 3(b)) 01.04.06 # i'd sooner see TenDra work 01.04.22 # Kasperle: Btw the GPL compilers normally have a clause that allows you to license code compiled with them into anything you want, like GCC does so why do you care? 01.04.48 # Lars_G: just because. It bugs me (and a lot of others) to have to ship a BSD OS with GPLed code 01.05.24 # (well I'm not shipping BSD, but you get my drift) 01.05.26 # Kasperle: Meh? a) you're forced to make it available, not forced to include it per se. b) in this case it'd apply only to gcc's source. 01.05.49 # Lars_G: FreeBSD is useless without a compiler though 01.05.58 # so? 01.06.06 Quit funky ("leaving") 01.06.17 # does it bust your balls SO much to include gcc because it's GPL? I think you shouldn't be doing OSS dude. 01.06.34 # I mean and please don't take this personally. 01.06.43 # i almost did! ;) 01.06.53 # But, even when I normally don't use GPL much for my code, GCC is another person's program 01.07.03 # They, decided to license it under the GPL 01.07.15 # if you dissagree with such a license you're free not to use it, out of your own ideals. 01.07.27 # And you're free to either find a non gpl one, or make your own program. 01.07.50 # Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people eager and happy to pay MS for VS, it's theyr taste and choice 01.07.51 # And free to decide is not as bad after all, as long as it works 01.09.20 # You ARE free to decide, and one of the decisions available to you is to rescind a compiler and have an incomplete or "broken" system because you do NOT want to give over on your possition and you can't or don't want to obtain or make a product that meets your demands. 01.10.48 Quit obo ("bye") 01.10.50 # crazy. That guy asks for 5 EUR for installing an additional them. 01.10.53 Join nABTR0N [0] (i=4420dfed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ccde9ad1d231c3b8) 01.11.21 # >.> 01.11.33 # ¿?¿ 01.11.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.11.52 # i wonder if he has permission to distribue those themes 01.12.09 # O_o 01.12.11 # orly? 01.12.20 # most themes dont't have something like a license attached. 01.12.27 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7D21.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.12.35 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 01.12.45 # maybe this should get stated clearly on the theme wiki page? 01.12.53 # well 01.13.05 # if they don't have a licence, they're copyrighted by the author 01.13.14 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-231-253-131.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 01.13.18 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.13.19 # and he's not allowed to distribute them by default 01.13.24 # hmm. But does this forbid distribution? 01.13.27 # spug: It depends on the country this happens on. 01.13.35 # spug: In my country, what you say is correct. 01.13.44 # ah 01.13.47 # Does anyone know of any WPS theme tutorials? I know the manual pretty much explains everything, but it can be confusing 01.13.51 # especially when they are distributed in the internet? 01.13.58 # t0dk0n: the wiki 01.14.09 # spug: thanks ^_^ 01.14.09 # ROFL 01.14.15 # t0dk0n, just have a look at some existing wps 01.14.17 # both 0,1,2,3 dont read 01.14.19 # is that bad? 01.14.22 # spug: But as well in my country if a creative work has no copyright and it's not registered on the central registration, then each copy is tought to be copyrighted to the person identifying themselves as the author in that copy. 01.14.34 # what country are you in? 01.14.43 # spug: Venezuela 01.14.47 # bluebrother: I've done that, I get most of it, but I don't get the whole alignment algorithm 01.14.50 # okay 01.15.37 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 01.15.37 # t0dk0n, alignment it quite easy ... you just have to use it in the order left, center, right 01.15.51 # Lars_G: but surely, if the author is situated in the US, for example, that person's work can't be used freely in other countries with more lenient copyright laws? 01.16.19 # spug: It depends on the international treaties signed by the countries with the US. 01.16.31 # spug: Copyright laws are applied locally. 01.16.40 # Found it :D 01.16.45 # aha 01.16.58 # bluebrother: in some themes, I was trying to fix text alignment with an image, but that's only thing I 'can't' figure out 01.17.12 # Lars_G: thanks for clarifying, i thought the country in which the author comes from was the one that counted 01.17.27 # the image is placed on the first character of a text string 01.17.43 # t0dk0n: sounds like you need the margin patch? 01.17.51 # or whatever it's called 01.18.12 # ahh, maybe... hahaha 01.18.14 # Sirs, i need help installing this thigys to mah ipod-nano cause i want to play doom 01.18.18 Quit ender` (" How many Unix system vendors does it take to change a light bulb? None.All of the light bulbs you have are'standard variants) 01.18.26 # spug: Copyright is a law, like other laws. Say an american commits a robbery in germany, and is judged for it by the german judicial process. Will he be judged under german law or american law? 01.18.34 # omg 01.18.44 # i get your point :) 01.18.56 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.57 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.18.58 # copyright is usually overlooked by the government 01.19.05 # and half of the copyrights are false 01.19.15 # nABTR0N: I disagree with the first, agree with the second. 01.19.18 # Customers, please don't install this firmware just for playing doom ;-) 01.19.39 # still though 01.19.43 # bluebrother: Oh my, yes 01.20.03 # bluebrother: Still no email from rockbox-dev are you sure you guys are not shunning me 01.20.04 # ? 01.20.19 # >.> but if you go to prison and there like "hey buddy what did you do? 01.20.22 # and your like 01.20.28 # i copied 01.20.42 # garunteed 01.20.43 # your gonna be someone's bitch 01.20.43 # Lars_G, I don't know -- I guess you'll need to ask the admins 01.21.01 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.21.18 # nABTR0N: You're going to be someone's bitch wathever crime you commit... except for child molestation, that normally'd get you killed in prison 01.21.19 # nABTR0N, sounds like those anti-copy clips they showed in germany 01.21.50 # * MarcoPolo is away: ZZZzzz 01.21.52 Nick MarcoPolo is now known as MarcoPolo|AFK (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.21.56 # * bluebrother still wants to move the doom gamedata to confuse customers :D 01.22.05 # * t0dk0n <3 zsh text completion 01.22.15 Join MidniteFo [0] (n=destin@adsl-75-11-59-77.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 01.22.23 # hey giys 01.22.24 # giys 01.22.26 # guys 01.22.28 # sorry 01.22.43 # I wonder if it's micro kernel or monolithic 01.22.47 # * Lars_G goes check 01.23.03 # Is the Rockbox team interested in the Zune at all? 01.23.04 # Ok, i need help when i try to install the firmware and bootloader to my nano it says : generating firmware inage compatible with iPod video>cannot open loader image file bootloader-nano.bin ?? 01.23.28 # Ok I think I'm gonna shoot myself. 01.23.49 # nABTR0N: Did you obtain the bootloader file that's mentioned in the install howto? 01.23.56 # nABTR0N: Is it on the current directory? 01.24.10 # i think 01.24.15 # Don't shoot yourself, we need your brain matter! 01.24.35 # MidniteFo: How do you know it's usefull? and how do you know it's not been wasted by useless people already? 01.24.47 # I hate idiots who beleive they can be techs 01.25.03 # Because your a freakin' genius 01.25.14 # this moron is the friggin CTO of a small ISP and he doesn't knows how netmasks work, and can't differentiate between VNC and Terminal Server 01.25.16 # arrrrgh 01.25.25 # O.o 01.25.27 # damn 01.25.32 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.25.34 # MidniteFo: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 01.25.58 # nABTR0N: then make sure. if you're reading the guide find the place where they tell you (at the beggining) to get the bootloader file, and download it 01.26.24 # nABTR0N: P.s. messaging me is not going to make me answer quicker ;) 01.26.51 # spug, what is the first step to porting rockbox to the zune/ 01.26.52 # :D lol i missed that, my bad 01.26.53 # ? 01.27.15 # I see people posting hardware information but it's slow on the board 01.27.24 # MidniteFo: Reverse engineering the device to determine the hardware configuration it uses 01.27.28 # MidniteFo: developer interest and detailed hardware information 01.27.38 # by guys, I should finally leave for some sleep 01.28.07 # MidniteFo, new ports usually start pretty slowly. When most of the hardware works it gets pretty more quicker 01.28.11 # OK, once we have the specs down, what's next? 01.28.32 # MidniteFo, see the NewPorts wiki page. Should have most relevant text 01.28.33 # MidniteFo: Then you'd need to write system-specific parts of the kernel in a new port. And possibly find a way to direct-flash the zune and begin testing. 01.28.39 # anyway, bye now 01.28.44 Quit bluebrother ("sleep!") 01.29.03 Quit blue_lizard (Connection timed out) 01.29.20 # if you break things a lot appart from the direct flashing I'd recommend a Logic Analyzer capable of handling the zune's main bus speed to be able to debug the information traveling from/to the cpu 01.29.24 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54987634.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.30.08 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.30.44 # brb 01.30.47 # Btw depending on the CPU used developing the kernel might or might not entrail you forking the target architecture off GCC and toolchain, and patching/rewriting it to handle the specific model of CPU the device is using. 01.30.58 # before you can even compile the first line of code. 01.31.28 # it's also most common you'll have to write a little or lot of new code for the rockbox bootloader 01.32.50 # Porting an OS or system to a new platform is NOT a light task. Specially if the platform maker is one that is usually hot for using hardware based encryption or drm 01.34.26 # Omg the zune discussion degenerated into a piracy one 01.34.28 # weeee 01.35.18 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.36.25 # (forum related) Question - Why is it in 'Recent Posts' it says 01.36.43 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.36.49 # (accidentally pressed enter) "Re: Simple things I need help with" when it links to the Sansa e200 topic? 01.36.52 Part t0dk0n 01.38.37 # Meh i finally joined the forums to post in the zune war 01.38.52 Quit CircuitMonkey ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 01.39.30 # What's the Zune war> 01.39.31 # ? 01.39.54 # Holy Jesus, I just found out a friend from school was just murdered by her redneck boyfriend 01.41.12 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 01.42.04 # NEways, what's the Zune war? 01.43.06 Quit rconan (Client Quit) 01.43.35 Join Caliban [0] (n=ianmacd@82.92.232.220) 01.44.31 # Redneck's huh? 01.44.36 # Good to know you are so concerned about your friends. 01.44.53 # this "war" http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 01.48.54 # WOOT it worked, Nabtr0n now owns teh rockbox 01.50.09 # Welcome to the world of geek losers nABTR0N, leave your GF on the porch 01.50.13 Quit NickDe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.50.38 # The other day I told a friend I was using OSS on my nano, and he said WOW and he's a friggin linux maniac and OSS developer. 01.50.46 # I knew then there's not going back for my soul 01.51.01 # Heck I still like Forth and I'm trying to learn Lisp, my sould has been impounded 01.51.07 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 01.58.23 Join miso91 [0] (n=wtf@adsl-68-252-38-104.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) 01.58.41 Quit MarcoPolo|AFK (Remote closed the connection) 02.00.47 # Lars_G: nice nick in the forums... wonder if that has anything to do with musical preferences... 02.01.25 # pixelma: Not really, I developed the nick while playing BzFlag years ago because I found it sweetly psycopathic to kill people while using the name "Bliss" 02.01.45 # And if you're asking me for my musical preferences get a small chair and book about one week of time 02.02.14 # I could reduce it to: [everything] - [A very few things] 02.02.17 # so i just use liek windows media player to copy music to rockbox and it auto-picks it up via the database? 02.02.28 # hehe... ok... same here 02.03.19 Join rolla [0] (n=sdfsf@asy-tiv-ppp264.bmts.com) 02.03.50 # Right? 02.03.54 # g'night all 02.03.58 # If you want an idea, some stuff I REALY like: 80's brit pop, Punk, New Wave, Academic Jazz Fusion, Bebop, Psychedelic rock, Symphonic rock (not progressive stuff)... 02.04.09 # Night pixelma 02.04.14 # is rockbox 3.1 still scheduled for this month 02.05.02 # Lars_G: I just was reminded of that song by Muse 02.05.12 # Mr. Lars, may i have assistance with the transfer of music to the device? 02.05.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.06.08 # nABTR0N: There are two ways to read music in the player under rockbox. look for it or use the tag database. Both allow you to throw music files in it and play them from whenever you like it. 02.06.35 # ypou throw files in it however you like either as a mounted usb HDD, or via a software that is able to put music in it. 02.06.49 # Like WMP? 02.07.19 # Depends. I do not know WMP's habits on putting music on the portable. if it's not adding DRM to the files, and it's not mincing the contents, WMP should work well 02.07.28 # otherwise just copy stuff to it, as if it where a usb flash drive 02.08.14 Part pixelma 02.08.15 # kk 02.09.17 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-231-253-131.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 02.09.41 # when you go into the file view, is there a way to get back to the wps? 02.10.01 # t0dk0n: what device? 02.10.30 # :P transproting all my screamo 02.10.48 # so I guess 3.1 isn't still on track for this month? 02.10.50 # t0dk0n: ??? 02.11.02 # rolla: No answer doesn't means a negative answer. 02.11.06 # haha 02.11.08 # ok 02.11.11 # rolla: It means there are no developers to answer you. 02.11.14 # lars_g: ipod 5G 02.11.18 # hehe, sorry for the delay 02.11.24 # Btw I think I read on the faq that no deadiines are given 02.11.39 # t0dk0n: If a file is still playing, click the play/pause button and it'll take you to the wps 02.11.39 # on the todo it says november 2006 02.11.53 # aprox 02.12.05 # * t0dk0n try's that just to clarify ^_^ 02.12.20 # is there a way to play pacbox while still listening to music? It always stops mine when I open it 02.12.25 # So can the nano run videos with this or not 02.12.36 # nABTR0N: In theory they can, I've not tried it yet 02.13.12 # ... I have no clue why I haven't thought about doing that >_< 02.13.19 # nABTR0N: Seems to be mpeg1/2 only, and I'd advice against videos that require lots of CPU (many FPS, large video size) 02.13.30 # I guess it was my conscious saying that if I click that too long, it'll shut off 02.13.31 # hahaha 02.13.34 # t0dk0n: It's ok, it's just you need to make it an habit of experimenting now. 02.13.43 # lol I understand the feeling t0dk0n 02.13.54 # hehe thanks so much ^_^ 02.14.05 # You know appart from some minor details, I find rockbox's UI more confortable to use than Apple's... 02.14.10 # and that's saying a lot, I'm a UI freak 02.14.59 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 02.15.16 # I love the rockbox skins 02.15.39 # I just wish things like album art were native in the builds so I didn't have to rely on third party 02.15.40 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17E35.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.16.04 # rolla: It's more than "skins" for me, some of the choices done in rockbox fit my style more. 02.16.24 # Altough I will make some changes either for me or for everybody to the UI 02.16.54 # yeah 02.17.36 # Now can i have some help getting doom working 02.18.01 # and after that i need help converting an image so i can use it as backdrop 02.18.17 # nABTR0N: Not from me, I've uninstalled doom 02.19.13 # well then can you help me with the basis for installing any game? 02.20.00 # meh, no, sorry man 02.20.12 # :'( 02.21.39 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.21.40 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 02.25.02 Quit nABTR0N ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.26.17 Quit hcs (Remote closed the connection) 02.27.34 # is there a really easy way to compile rockbox with selected patches 02.27.40 # or is it always a pain 02.28.38 Join nABTR0N [0] (i=4420dfed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.28.54 # Noo my ipod froze! 02.30.28 Quit nABTR0N (Client Quit) 02.32.52 Join Nabtr0n [0] (i=4420dfed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-04825a97fffcf5b8) 02.33.07 # ok, now i need big help 02.33.15 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.33.48 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B177F9.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.34.03 # my thigy froze 02.34.06 # when i went into star 02.34.58 Quit Nabtr0n (Client Quit) 02.35.17 # can rockbox help me with 4 weeks of homework? 02.35.36 Join webguest61 [0] (i=4b44e960@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.35.36 # * t0dk0n make joke 02.35.56 Join Soultwister [0] (n=chatzill@host-69-144-198-27.gdj-co.client.bresnan.net) 02.36.06 # how do i play music 02.36.46 # on rockbox 02.37.05 # do i put it in a folder and browse 02.37.26 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.37.56 # hi, i'm trying to install rockbox with mac osx, and when i try to download the diskdump and ipod_fw programs, the latter comes up as a text file, any suggestions? 02.38.44 # webguest61: Right click on the link and select "download target as..." 02.38.51 # t0dk0n: No but it can cook for you 02.38.53 # Soultwister: yes 02.39.17 # how do i play my mp3 on rockbox 02.39.50 # just installed it im looking at manuals dont see any on there for that 02.40.04 # as long as you have music on there somewhere with id3 tags 02.40.13 # you can update the database and play like that 02.40.16 # rolla: Not needed in browser mode 02.40.23 # i do 02.40.31 # he just seeks the file, hists select over it, and it plays 02.40.31 # or browser mode 02.40.32 # under gener 02.40.40 # gender 02.40.49 # hmm 02.41.08 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 02.41.20 # browse themes is all i see 02.41.21 # well i prefer the database because its a lot nicer when your on the run 02.41.31 # when you hit menu? 02.41.35 # lars g: one more question: the manual tells me to open terminal and "navigate into" the rockbox folder.... i dont know what this means 02.42.27 # webguest61: "cd " 02.42.58 # im lost 02.43.50 # Soultwister: Read the manual :) 02.43.58 # lars g: i get: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' 02.44.05 # i am 02.44.12 # webguest61: When doing what? 02.44.35 # when i type cd 02.44.52 # i also tried cd 02.45.07 # sorry i'm not very good with these things 02.45.07 # Soultwister: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-930007.2 02.45.27 # webguest61: the <> where there to denote the value you don't type them 02.45.36 # Ok I go now 02.45.36 # see you 02.45.38 Quit Lars_G ("Leaving") 02.46.12 Quit jba ("Leaving") 02.47.00 # thank you, that was helpful 02.52.10 # is there any way to run java applets on rockbox 02.52.18 # or port them to rockbox 02.53.01 # * tehsmo doesn't think many mp3 players would be up for running a jvm.. 02.53.42 # ipod may be possible 02.53.52 # but I'm satisfied with C over Java anyway :P 02.53.58 # yeah thats what I was hoping for 02.54.12 # is C an easy transition from java? 02.54.24 # I only know java and like a bit of pascal 02.54.47 # I hear Java is one of the hardest languages to learn, and C is relatively easy to learn 02.55.00 # sweet 02.55.03 # i feel special 02.55.09 # but I wouldn't know from experience, for I've been too much of a pussy to learn Java ^_^ 02.55.14 # i'm trying to extract my apple firmware using osx and got this message 02.55.15 # java's not too hard 02.55.17 # now haskell 02.55.17 # geoffmac:~/Desktop/rockbox Geoff$ ./diskdump -r /dev/disk3 bootpartition.bin 02.55.19 # that's a hard language 02.55.29 # I'd say assembly 02.55.29 # oops 02.55.33 # haskell is interesting though, to may anyway 02.55.46 # I think assembly's probably actually easier than haskell 02.55.47 # wait, ignore that, I forgot what i meant to say :P 02.55.55 # really 02.56.10 # I guess it depends on how well you deal with the functional programming concept 02.56.11 # haskell must be like 0's and 1's 02.56.17 # brainfuck is the hardest language 02.56.27 # its like assembly + morse code =D 02.56.35 # lol 02.56.45 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 02.56.46 # whats a good C programming environment 02.56.52 # I use eclipse for java 02.57.00 # hey jhMikeS what country are you in, you seem to have been on for 24 hours straight 02.57.07 # rolla: hmm, I take it you're a windows user? 02.57.14 # yeah :S 02.57.26 # ah, I don't know much about environements 02.57.38 # for C, I just use GCC to compile it, and a text editor to code it 8-) 02.57.47 # which is linux stuff 02.57.52 # text editor :P 02.57.56 # ur brave 02.58.15 # once you code in an environment you'll never go back 02.58.57 # that might just depend on how you learn it :P 02.59.05 # depends, I like to use my text editor too much. 02.59.09 # same here 02.59.11 # I suppose 02.59.13 # no environment could ever be as much fun unless it used a modal design 02.59.32 # which isn't going to happen in an IDE, it's not a popular editing model 02.59.40 # :O eclipse can code C and C++!! 02.59.50 # yay! 02.59.51 # lol 02.59.58 # now to figure out how to get it to work... 03.00.47 # rolla: there's many good tutorials to learn C 03.01.05 # http://www.cprogramming.com/ 03.01.15 Join ogi [0] (n=root@87.242.134.248) 03.01.17 # that's where I learned ^_^ 03.01.35 # cool, I'm in a CS class for java at my high school 03.02.01 # CS? 03.03.13 # Hello everyone! 03.03.28 # computer science 03.03.51 # ahhh, I was thinking photoshop or counter strike (yeah, right) :) 03.04.02 # hello ogi 03.04.16 # Just to ask, I joined the rockbox wiki, but before I can make any edits, I need to get write access, who do I have to talk too regarding that? 03.05.23 # haha yeah if I didn't know what cs was those two would definately pop in my head 03.07.08 # g2g nice talkin to yah 03.07.09 Part Chris____ 03.07.11 Quit rolla () 03.08.48 # anyone have a link for the page describing how to change from a mac formatted partition to FAT32? 03.09.33 # btw, anyone using rockbox successfully with an ipod 3g? I have been having some issues (build 27.11.06) 03.09.35 # hmm 03.09.37 # which OS? 03.10.44 # osx 03.12.18 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.12.46 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.12.56 # hmm... I can't say I have done it on osx 03.13.03 # nevermind, found a link 03.13.04 # thanks 03.13.09 # cool 03.13.14 # gd luck 03.13.14 # lol 03.13.47 # dam if i dint happen to run into the player id never find it 03.14.51 # ? 03.15.18 # how to play music on rockbox 03.15.23 # well 03.15.45 # you browse the folders, when you come across a music file, just click on it 03.16.00 # I have a folder in my root dir called "Music" and in there I put all the music 03.16.16 # then just go there, and just click on a music file 03.16.18 # well i did it through id tags 03.16.38 # ah 03.16.58 # is there any cool plugins anyone 03.17.14 # like for playing videos 03.17.20 # or a game 03.17.43 # or even veiwing photos 03.17.46 # well, have you set your "Show files" option to "ID3 database" 03.17.48 Quit crwll (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.17.57 # yes i did 03.18.18 # and you have built/initialised the database? 03.18.34 # yes thats right 03.18.41 # sure did 03.19.02 # well, that should be it, on my player it shows up the database, and can select by album/artist/Genre/etc... 03.19.12 # yep me to 03.19.32 Join Captain_Apathy [0] (n=Joe@ool-45750729.dyn.optonline.net) 03.19.37 # now i wanna try new plugins and try videos 5th gen 60 gig 03.19.58 # well, just browse those, lets say album, then pick a song 03.20.10 # cool, I got a 5th gen video too, 30g 03.20.20 # can i make it boot to rockbox default 03.20.24 # video support does not work to my knowledge 03.20.24 # quick question: my 5g ipod is frozen to the point where I can't reboot rockbox, is there another way to reboot? 03.20.37 # my one already does 03.20.43 # it should by default 03.20.58 # it's not responding to the button commands and won't scroll either 03.20.59 # and yes, hit menu + middle button and hold for a few secs 03.20.59 # middle button and menu hold for 5 sec 03.21.05 # that should reset it 03.21.09 # lol 03.21.35 # lol 03.21.36 # ogi: gets points for speed, but Soultwister gets points for precision 03.21.37 # or connect if u can to pc and restore start over 03.21.50 # sweet jesus, thanks 03.21.57 # (assuming 5 seconds wasn't give or take) ;) 03.22.02 # hallalua 03.22.18 # it's a xmas miracle 03.22.21 # lol 03.22.33 # once again, thanks 03.22.46 # np 03.22.53 # ditto 03.23.33 # so can i make rockbox my default boot and maybe boot to ipod by pressing left 03.23.45 # like ipl 03.23.55 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 03.23.58 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.24.04 # if you hold the menu button while booting it will load the original firmware 03.24.11 Join Bratsche [0] (n=Home@h75-100-90-182.75-100.unk.tds.net) 03.24.17 # dont like option screen keeps people out of my ipod info 03.24.24 Part Captain_Apathy 03.24.35 Part t0dk0n 03.24.57 # got personal info for me noone elese 03.25.14 # Hi. I was wondering if someone could lend a hand in installing Rockbox for an iPod. 03.25.29 # rockbox x awsome way 03.25.41 # NOTE: press "play/pause" for 2 seconds at the boot prompt to load the original ipod firmware 03.25.42 # through windows 03.25.58 # thats what I get for trying to help at 2am, lol 03.26.06 # oh sorry 03.26.15 # i appreciate your help 03.26.27 # thanks ogi 03.26.29 # no probs, just making some silly mistakes 03.26.35 # e2 03.26.56 # it wasn't directed at you, rather at the mistake 03.26.56 # lol 03.27.09 # so is there a boot loader for booting right into rockbox without option screen 03.27.14 # does anyone have any idea about getting write access to the wiki 03.27.47 # what option screen? on the ipod, I get the apple logo, if you hit "play/pause" and hold, it will boot the original apple firmware, if you do nothing, it boots rockbox 03.28.30 # ya i dont want option screen 03.28.30 # at least on my 5g and a 3g I'm flashing 03.28.41 # you mean the apple logo bootup? 03.28.45 # ya 03.29.07 # you can't, thats part of the apple initialisation, before the rockbox bootloader has a chance 03.29.13 # to do anything about it 03.29.14 # it gives me an option of apple or rock i dont want that 03.29.28 # its like the computer BIOS POST 03.29.42 # now about disabling the apple firmware, so you cant switch 03.29.47 # i want it to go right to rockbox with out option 03.29.48 # I don't know, it might be possible 03.30.00 Quit MidniteFo () 03.30.02 # I presume you just build the bootloader without the apple firmware 03.30.25 # hmm, rockbox supports the 5th gen video ipods, does that include the 60gb one? 03.30.30 # yes 03.30.34 # cool 03.30.40 # would i have re install 03.30.52 # to do what i want 03.31.02 # works on mine 03.31.12 # not rockbox, but yes to the bootloader 03.31.34 # @tehsmo, works on my 30g 5th gen like a charm 03.31.43 # So, what would be wrong if ipodpatcher can't find the ipod? 03.31.47 # cool so just over right it with installer 03.31.56 # not so easy 03.32.02 # I don't know how to do it 03.32.20 # but why do you want to prevent the option? unless you press the button it will not come up 03.32.21 # cool stuff, I'm probably going to get a 60gb and put rockbox on it 03.32.25 # and it takes the same space no matter what 03.32.34 # * tehsmo was going to get an iaudix x5, but was scared away by stories of terrible customer service 03.32.36 Join crwll [0] (n=crawlie@kekkone.kekkola.jyu.fi) 03.32.58 # lol 03.33.25 # well if i borrow my ipod to a freind i dont want them to know how to get my ipod it has personal info for my eyes only 03.33.25 # my ipod was a gift, but I was planning on getting one older for rockbox, wanted good flac/ogg player 03.33.50 # the ipod is seen as a hard disk to any computer you connect to it, and everything is browsable 03.33.57 # removing the apple firmware will not prevent that 03.35.25 # @tehsmo: note that there is quite a bit of work until the ipod is fully utilised, it works great as it is, but it can get better, especially when support for the second ARM core is ironed out 03.35.36 # ah 03.35.36 # i know but they anint going look at my ipod with a computer 03.36.09 # there just gonna use it when im around 03.36.30 # @tehsmo: but for the moment, music playback is great (flac/ogg/mp3 tested here) but with no video playback support, no TV out and limited recording (line in from what I hear it) 03.36.33 # well 03.36.40 # well, that's fine 03.36.53 Quit Soultwister ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 03.36.54 # @tehsmo, it can only get better 03.36.57 # lol 03.37.02 # I just want an mp3 player that uses the filesystem 03.37.14 # as opposed to proprietary software 03.37.26 # @Soultwister: well, they can access the same no matter which firmware they use 03.37.37 # in fact, the rockbox firmware will allow greater access to files, than the ipod one 03.37.42 Part Bratsche 03.37.44 # as it has a filebrowser builtin 03.37.44 # right 03.37.53 # iirc you can't play stuff from the apple firmware unless it was copied with itunes 03.38.01 # or an equivalent 03.38.03 # nope 03.38.33 # but from what I gather, Soultwister is worried that someone can view personal files of some sort if he lends his ipod to someone 03.39.12 # (unless I misunderstood him) 03.39.26 # indeed ..perhaps he should look into encryption schemes 03.40.02 # yeah that could work 03.40.47 # I am happy with my ipod I have to say, primarily because of the hardware 03.40.50 # ooh, a sudoku plugin 03.40.52 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-226-213-147.tukw.qwest.net) 03.40.55 # hehehehe 03.41.01 # every day I play that on the train to uni 03.41.02 # lol 03.41.18 # but now I loaded pacman 03.41.25 # what an addictive game dammit 03.42.49 # 03.43.10 # hmm... 3g ipod support is not too good i see 03.43.38 # it has locked up again 03.44.15 # actually one of the reasons I wanted write permission on the wiki is so I can write about my experiences with the 3G ipod 03.44.43 Join banana [0] (i=4b645ab6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 03.44.55 # hello 03.45.00 # hello 03.45.17 # could someone help me with the ipodpatcher program? 03.45.43 # sorry, not me, don't use the program 03.46.00 # yeah, i'm just trying to install rockbox 03.46.21 # I can try 03.46.24 # whats the problem? 03.47.10 # well, from what i can tell, the computer can't find the ipod 03.47.34 # i think you need the number for installing the bootloader. 03.47.43 # and that's what the ipodpatcher.exe is for 03.48.23 # I presume the ipodpatcher patches the ipod to run both rockbox and the apple firmware 03.48.31 # you are running windows, right? 03.48.34 # probably. 03.48.44 # yes, windows me, which probably is the problem. 03.48.49 # lol 03.49.12 # well, what interface? (and what ipod) 03.49.16 # usb or firewire? 03.49.26 # it's a 2G ipod mini on usb 03.49.30 # ok 03.49.36 # and windows does not detect it at all? 03.49.56 # well, windows does. 03.49.59 # does it appear on iTunes? or as a removable disk (under the removable devices taskbar icon) 03.50.07 # it shows up in explorer, yes, as a removable disk 03.50.13 # that's all normal. 03.50.17 # gd gd 03.50.28 # where does it all go wrong? 03.50.31 # ok 03.50.46 # so, the wiki says you need to find a number that's assigned to your ipod in order to run the ipodpatcher program 03.50.57 # i see 03.51.09 # by typing in the command prompt "ipodpatcher 0", "ipodpatcher 1" etc 03.51.13 # up to 26 03.51.49 # those commands don't do anything 03.53.34 # don't do anything at all? 03.53.54 # have you set the ipod as "disk mode" under itunes 03.54.12 # He sees it in Windows Explorer 03.54.23 # ok 03.54.23 # Yes, it's set in disk mode 03.54.29 # just checking 03.54.32 # And yes, I see it in explorer 03.54.58 # so what is the _exact_ output when you do ipodpatcher 1 ? 03.56.00 # [info] reading partition table from\\.\PhysicalDrive1 error opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified. 03.56.18 Join ze [0] (i=ze@70.40.152.105) 03.56.39 # what version of windows? 03.56.48 # 98/ME? 03.56.54 # ME, yes. 03.57.16 # unfortunately. 03.57.19 # I'm not sure, but I suspect that is your problem. 03.57.22 # lol 03.57.24 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.57.40 # ok. 03.57.48 # you could try running a bootable knoppix cd to do the install, if you don't want to change OS's permanently 03.58.14 # yeah 03.58.46 # is it me or does it seem easier to do on linux? 03.59.52 # understandably, windows me is not the best of windows OS's 04.00.48 # Yes, I'm planning on buying a new computer soon. Until then, I'm stuck. 04.01.20 # what do you have? perhaps an upgrade (downgrade?) to windows 2000 would not be a bad idea 04.01.29 # and should work on similar hardware 04.01.37 # I gotta run, but check the wiki instructions, I don't recall if you need Windows NT or not, I'm thinking for some reason you do. 04.01.49 # OK. 04.01.52 # thanks for your help. 04.01.56 # ogi: 2K is the peak of Windows, it is never a downgrade. ;) 04.02.10 # hehehe, its the only version I ever run 04.02.10 # lol 04.02.21 # and, yes, 2K will work on most any computer 98/ME will, often better. 04.02.41 # but I think it would be classed as a downgrade, as it was released before ME 04.02.43 # But banana has proven he is a good boy and not pirating windows, for no warez monkey would be caught dead with ME. 04.02.50 # hahahahaha 04.02.56 # lol 04.03.05 # oh, I can't imagine why you would pirate ME. 04.03.10 # sadism? 04.03.12 # It would be like shooting yourself in the foot. 04.03.17 # lol, most likely. 04.03.26 # ogi: 2K is NT, ME is 98+themes and more USB support. There is no way 2K is a downgrade. 04.03.34 # 2k is still supported, ME is not. 04.03.55 # wasn't ME some attempt at merging NT and win98 into a "home" NT version 04.04.06 # hence getting rid of the DOS base ? 04.04.06 # I think so. 04.04.16 # no, ME was released, IIRC, for home use because XP was late. 04.04.26 # but anyways, I'm off to try a live CD. 04.04.28 # XP was the merging of NT and home. 04.04.29 # i thought ME was just win98 with some extra garbage to make it seem new 04.04.29 # thanks a lot. 04.04.31 # still wrong 04.04.33 # I see 04.04.35 Quit banana ("CGI:IRC") 04.04.37 # lol 04.04.57 # there were 2 different projects at redmond...NT (2000) and ME (old system) 04.05.16 # the developers were split as to which route they should go 04.05.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.05.41 # heya 04.05.50 # where did you read that? ME was the year 2000 release of the 9x line just-in-time-for-christmas. 04.06.02 # i didnt read that 04.06.16 # that is from a friend i have that used to work for M$ 04.06.36 # I think the plan was always to move the home users to the NT side eventually, just that the transfer came to late for the marketing department, so ME was pushed out the door. 04.07.04 # for ME has no structural changes over 98 04.07.13 # i know 04.08.09 # as i said...the devs were split...the NT group, and the 9x group who didnt want to switch over to NT...of course both groups thought the other was better 04.08.39 # s/the other was/themselves were 04.08.54 # still not right, but you get it 04.09.18 # what were the benefits of 9x ? 04.09.33 # heh....not DOS 04.09.40 # lol 04.09.51 # well, not totally on DOS 04.09.56 # didn't ME get rid of DOS as the base? 04.10.25 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Remote closed the connection) 04.10.33 # no, ME was still DOS based, but didn't boot through DOS (unlike 98) to boot faster. 04.10.48 # what did it boot from? I thought that was the NT bit 04.11.39 # they simply bypassed real dos mode, and bastardised the minimal they needed to boot ME, leaving you the worst of both worlds. 04.12.07 # I see 04.12.19 Join webguest59 [0] (i=4420dfed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f13b42a3dd8f94c9) 04.12.31 # cool info, always something new to learn 04.12.45 # hohoh 04.12.47 # so did ME have any redeeming features at all? 04.12.54 # not really 04.13.04 # there is a reason they named it ME 04.13.10 # Mistake Edition 04.13.14 # lol 04.13.49 # They gave ME many of the little features from 2k - UPnP, system restore, little crap like that. 04.13.54 # yeah 04.14.18 # a laptop I bought came with ME when it was new 04.14.20 # ME looked like 2k more than 98, I don't believe it could do the transparencies 2K could do. 04.14.38 # hmm 04.14.40 # yeah 04.15.00 # my experience with ME on that laptop guaranteed it was wiped in favour of 2k almost instantly 04.16.33 # btw, anyone know who to talk to about getting write access on the rockbox wiki? 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I played an mp3 file, then went to the pitch screen and set it to 105% (the exact value doesn't matter), then returned to the WPS and jumped to the start of the song (pressed left). There was no music and the progress bar advanced very quickly, and elapsed time counted also quickly (at about double speed). I again went to the 09.37.34 # I again went to the.. 09.39.36 # daurnimator: what? 09.40.13 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.40.19 # you didn't finish the sentance 09.41.26 # daurnimator: I did, it probably wasn't transmitted correctly. here it is: 09.41.30 # I again went to the pitch screen and after the first change (to 104.9%) the sound appeared again. Any ideas? 09.49.34 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 09.50.52 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7D21.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.53.35 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 09.54.22 # webguest13: will try 09.57.52 # k00l - i must pimp my ipod - only ¤25 :-) 09.57.59 # webguest13: confirmed. Can you post this in the bugtracker? 09.58.11 # LinusN: heh...yeah... 09.58.42 # * petur makes a mental note that he shouldn't try to change the pitch of songs of The Smiths - sound very weird 09.58.48 # it doesn't bother me that they are selling rockbox, as long as they follow the gpl license 09.59.24 # what bothers me is the complete lack of credit 09.59.39 # webguest13: are you still here? 10.00.06 # both to us (rockbox crew) and the WPS creators 10.00.12 # scorche: yeah, it's annoying 10.00.20 # pressing stop to leave the pitch screen feels very strange btw.... 10.00.34 # well, they might be violating copyright law with the wps'es 10.00.58 # aye 10.01.04 # I'm sure a simple mail to ebay can solve this ;) 10.01.37 # petur: i would rather cut it off at the root....or at least give them a chance to properly do things 10.02.02 # * petur hands scorche the axe 10.02.53 # petur: yes. What DAP do you have? 10.03.07 # h340 10.03.21 # this is SWCODEC related, not DAP 10.04.14 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3041.gwdg.de) 10.04.23 # webguest13: you post it to the tracker please? 10.04.56 # petur: in the flayspray, they ask about the platform. I remember the guide line of submitting bug reports for emacs: just describe what you've observed, make no assumptions. 10.05.26 # platform = SW-Codec 10.05.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.05.30 # petur: I can't type that fast :-) 10.06.02 # just copy your initial post you made here 10.06.45 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-152-123.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 10.06.58 # scorche: i think you could just ask them if they have modified rockbox in any way, and whether they provide the source code 10.07.59 # and perhaps if they have the wps authors' permisson to redistribute 10.08.52 # it is obvious that they do not, but I will get to that in the conversation i am sure 10.09.24 # good 10.09.29 # not to be a burden but could someone please have a look at my update to the ipod scrolling acceleration patch so it compiles withe the latest CVS 10.09.31 # * petur whispers 'kill kill kill' 10.09.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 10.09.45 # dont worry...i will keep you informed ;) 10.09.50 # petur: how can you tell H300 from SW-codec platform? 10.09.56 # It probably breaks every convention known to man... 10.10.27 # webguest13: I'm pretty sure the bug you see is not hardware related but common to all players that decode music in software 10.11.16 # petur: Ok, in this case it is very likely. But in general? If I have to submit a bug, when should I choose SW-codec? 10.11.46 # petur: FS#6389 10.12.33 # webguest13: really depends on the bug. You can always select your DAP and a dev will change it if it's obviously wrong. Having it marked for a specific DAP isn't too bad anyway... 10.12.39 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@160.228.157.232) 10.13.23 Quit HCl (Remote closed the connection) 10.13.23 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 10.13.26 Join markun_ [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 10.13.38 Nick daurn|laptop is now known as foob (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 10.14.10 Join HCl [0] (i=hcl@hecate.student.utwente.nl) 10.14.16 Quit Xerion_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.14.19 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 10.14.22 Quit markun (Nick collision from services.) 10.14.31 Nick Xerion is now known as Xerion_ (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 10.14.32 Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 10.22.13 Quit bytie ("Dana") 10.23.17 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.24.14 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-58-246.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.25.35 # petur: for H120 (and probably H340) following would be more intuitive in the pitch screen: NAVI=reset to 100%, PLAY=go to WPS. STOP = nothing. What do you think? 10.25.57 # webguest13: agree 10.26.16 # pressing stop was very weird 10.27.36 # petur: who will make the patch? OTOH: STOP=leave the menu, so it's ok. 10.27.53 # feel free to post a patch or suggestion ;) 10.28.32 # petur: ok, I'll do later today. 10.29.50 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 10.30.37 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-152-123.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 10.30.39 Quit petur ("worrrk") 10.34.33 Quit foob (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.34.52 Join Soultwister [0] (n=chatzill@host-69-144-198-27.gdj-co.client.bresnan.net) 10.35.09 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 10.35.20 # where do i get album and scroll for rockbox 10.36.19 Part webguest13 ("gtg") 10.36.43 # anyone know 10.37.11 # I don't understand the question 10.37.14 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.37.19 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 10.37.50 # Soultwister: assuming you mean album art and scrolling margins patches...they are in the tracker along with all the other patches 10.38.07 # there is supposed to be a plugin that allows me to see album art 10.38.19 # ahh 10.45.38 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 10.48.04 # tychver: why all the changes to the button.h includes? 10.48.40 # where do i put the patch 10.48.45 # album 10.48.50 # patch 10.48.53 # recursive redefenitions, didn't know how else to handle them 10.49.33 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.50.04 # anyone know where you put album patch 10.50.34 # Soultwister: i suggest you read the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page 10.50.51 # i have to comile it 10.50.59 # compile it 10.51.03 # yes 10.51.09 # or download an unsupported build with it built in 10.51.09 # what did you think a patch was? 10.51.11 # dont have linux 10.51.18 # you dont need linux 10.51.23 # ahh 10.51.35 # is it a wps 10.51.54 # that page tells you that you can install either cygwin or vmware to do the job 10.51.59 # what do you mean? 10.52.11 # ok 10.52.18 # a wps is very different than anything we are talking about 10.52.44 # ya i know 10.52.54 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.53.00 # im a newbie to comiling 10.53.09 # compiling 10.53.09 # i noticed =) 10.53.13 # lol 10.53.46 # what i ment to ask is when i compile a patch what does it turn into 10.54.15 # id rather get a compiled version of the patch 10.54.41 # you get a build 10.55.15 # then look in the unofficial builds forum for a build for your target that includes those patches 10.55.58 # but compiling and tasks of that sort are beneficial for one to learn 10.56.16 # yes i agree 10.56.42 # i tried once to compile a game for linux failed alot 10.58.57 Quit ScoTTie_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.59.09 # well, then i suggest you start learning 10.59.33 # to be honest I think that the scrolling patch is far too jerky and needs about a couple more steps in it but I guess that means using more resources 10.59.54 # oh] 11.00.11 # i have a 60 gig 5th gen 11.00.13 # tychver: it is a patch... 11.00.22 # you can edit it however you want 11.00.28 # there are reasons it is not in cvs 11.00.48 # would it be easier to use tagcache 11.01.03 # as long as we are not busy and are in the mood, we will help you here or in the forums...although, we do like to see that you have made some effort to try and find the answer first...so, if you do have an issue, it would be wise to search the forums for people who have had that issue before, among other methods 11.01.15 # @ Soultwister 11.01.29 # Soultwister: for what? 11.01.50 # to view album art that has been made with itunes 11.02.02 # itunes cannot do that 11.02.17 # tychver: it could do with TPs list scrolling changes as well... 11.02.17 # errr...tagcache 11.02.23 # inbeded in the mp3 11.02.31 # it self 11.02.54 # i have album art already imbedding in my mp3 11.03.01 # s 11.03.06 # itunes actually extracts the album art from the mp3 when it puts it on the ipod 11.03.17 # ahh 11.03.52 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 11.04.36 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-152-123.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 11.05.02 # so you suggest that I add the extra levels of scrolling speed? 11.06.06 # I'll be free for 8 weeks in 48 hours (school holidays), I'll see what I can do over the summer 11.06.38 # I don't know that much C, tried to learn a few times but lost interest, now I actually want to do something with it and I'm mostly learning as I go 11.06.57 # TPs first version of the patch included more changes to list.[ch] - those sped up the list scrolling, I think he said it was 12 times faster 11.07.19 # yeah it was, pretty much inversely linear to the font size too! 11.08.00 # I'll see what I can do over the next 8 weeks about that, I'm not really the best person to be doing this but why not :) 11.08.23 # that was with a size 14 font, with a size 5 its about 27 times faster 11.09.20 # and with a size 21 like 5 times faster 11.09.25 # wait that's not linear at all 11.09.31 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (i=hihi@75-105.wlan.rz.uni-potsdam.de) 11.09.37 # it's hyperbolic I think 11.09.42 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 11.09.48 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.09.52 # anyway it's 23:10 and I have an exam tomorrow 11.10.00 # I'm off 11.17.16 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/administrator/Febs) 11.19.10 Quit Soultwister ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 11.21.29 Quit Xerion_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.21.35 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 11.21.45 Nick Xerion is now known as Xerion_ (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 11.23.08 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host230-125.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 11.28.03 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.28.06 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 11.33.21 # Why are there still button #defines in core .h files?? 11.33.58 # Button actions should have made them superfluous 11.35.43 # * amiconn wonders about several things related to this scoll acceleration patch 11.37.15 # iäm not sure about that status bar update thing 11.38.48 # but the inability to include button.h twici is easy to solve, since he added the stuff *after* the #endif /* BUTTON_H */ 11.38.54 # That's one point 11.39.41 # i only had a brief look at the coding style 11.40.17 # The others are (1) Is the scrolling really too slow on some ipods? 11.40.21 Join phlasphy [0] (n=Ash@124.177.66.27) 11.40.33 # My problem with the scroll wheel is that it's rather too fast to precisely go to a certain line 11.41.15 # I practially always go too far first, and have to scrol back 11.41.16 # hey all 11.41.22 # i was thinking about getting an ipod 11.41.43 # amiconn: i think that is more an issue of sensitivity than speed 11.41.53 # (2) Why only for the 4g, and why is the mini excluded? (mini1g that is) 11.41.59 # and install rockbox on it 11.42.01 # 4g pad I mean 11.42.07 # but i have a few questions 11.42.38 # and the speed is no issue for those of us who have their music properly organized, but for those who have many many items in one folder, it takes quite a while to go throguh it 11.42.59 # amiconn: yes, scrolling is too slow in some instances. Scrolling long lists takes a long time. 11.43.14 # can i put the original apple firmaware back on if i dont like rockbox? 11.43.20 # phlasphy: yes. 11.43.37 # phlasphy: actually, the original firmware is kept on the device and is dual-bootable 11.43.42 # You can also dual boot, so you can run the apple firmware without having to uninstall Rockbox. 11.44.01 # does that mean i would need a boot loader like GRUB or LILO 11.44.06 # no 11.44.13 # scorche: I can go through the database all-tracks list on my mini rather quick. Okay, a 4GB mini doesn't hold that many tracks... 11.44.16 # ok 11.44.18 # it is dual boot by default 11.44.22 # ok 11.44.30 # and if i want to uninstall rockbox 11.44.54 # there are uninstallation instructions along with the installation instructions 11.45.06 # ok and there would be no traces of it? 11.45.14 # just make sure and keep the original bootpartition.bin as it says to 11.45.25 # pretty much 11.45.39 # pretty much? 11.45.42 # amiconn: yes 11.45.52 # phlasphy: for all practical purposes yes 11.45.57 # ok 11.46.12 # what are some cons to using rockbox? 11.46.16 # pros and cons 11.46.18 # amiconn: but like i said..it takes quite a while for others 11.46.38 # phlasphy: i suggest you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 11.46.47 # thanks 11.47.42 # ok 11.47.47 # what player do you have? 11.47.55 # i have a couple 11.48.11 # ok 11.48.20 # will it work on a ipod video 30gb 11.48.32 # provided it isnt the new type, yes 11.48.42 # when was it purchased? 11.48.52 # umm i will be getting it at xmas 11.48.58 # ah 11.49.24 # well, there is a way to install rockbox on the new ones, but it is not yet fully stable 11.49.30 # it will be in time of course though 11.49.38 # ok will it be by xmas? 11.49.51 # it might be, it might not be 11.50.03 # we do not give out dates here =) 11.50.04 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.50.25 # ok 11.50.28 # bbiab 11.50.49 # jhMikeS, it seems that the memory map for the gigbaeta port may have been too hungry, possibly resulting in corrupt memory 11.51.11 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 11.52.03 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 11.52.48 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@160.228.157.232) 11.53.06 # * amiconn wonders what a hungry map is ;) 11.53.35 # back 11.53.45 # so will rockbox increase sound quality? 11.54.35 # not really 11.54.35 # the sound quality is basically the same, but rockbox has many options to tune the sound to your ear/sound better to you 11.54.51 # ok 11.55.13 # and can i turn my ipod into a brick when trying to install it 11.55.28 # we have never had a brick yet ;) 11.55.32 # amiconn: I have a /music/artist/album structure - it takes me 45 seconds to scroll from the top to the bottom of my list of artists on a 5g ipod 11.55.41 # except for that one guy who threw the ipod out the window... 11.55.58 # reaLLY NOT ONE BRICK YET 11.56.06 # oops sorry for caps 11.56.16 # the ipods are VERY hard to brick completely 11.56.28 # it would take some skill to do so 11.56.45 # ok 11.56.50 # and if i do what happens 11.56.51 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.56.54 # you wont 11.56.57 # can i unbrick it 11.57.17 # i heard PSP is easdy to brick 11.57.37 # well, the definition of "bricking" is to make a device not operating or recoverable by any means 11.57.43 # ok 11.57.52 # well, any non-hardware means 11.58.14 # i am thinking about just using ALAC on normal firmware instead of FLAC on rockbox 11.58.33 # that is your choice to make 11.58.37 # ok 11.58.41 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 11.58.42 # i like flac though 11.58.49 # as do i =) 11.59.00 # what o/s do you run on your pc 11.59.01 # ? 11.59.45 # windows and linux 12.00.03 # ok 12.00.08 # what do you play audio in? 12.00.37 # why is this questioning necessary? (sorry, but we like to keep things in this channel about rockbox) 12.00.52 # ok 12.00.54 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@ppp98-163.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) 12.01.01 # sorry 12.01.12 # if you really HAVE to know for some odd reason, that is what PMs are for 12.01.17 # ok 12.01.20 # :) 12.01.49 # so for a 5g rockbox is stable? 12.02.15 # for a 5g, yes 12.02.19 # ok 12.03.02 # and rockbox runs flac flawlessly 12.03.40 # not quite sure what you mean by that, but yes 12.03.57 # no audio glitches or anything 12.04.23 # yes 12.04.31 # ok 12.04.48 # does the battery life descrease with flac 12.05.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.05.48 # what are you comparing it with? 12.05.54 # mp3 12.06.15 # it will slightly 12.06.18 # ok 12.06.29 # by about how long a few minutes an hour 12.06.37 # i cannot say 12.06.41 # ok 12.06.42 # but it wont be a large amount 12.06.54 # also i have a few questions about ipod 12.06.57 # is that ok here>? 12.07.11 # not really 12.07.14 # ok 12.09.02 # LinusN: do you have any plans to update fwpatcher for iriver firmware 1.31? I ask only because I'm getting tired of reading threads about it. 12.09.59 # Personally, I can't understand why Rockbox users even care about 1.31 since it only adds things that Rockbox already has. 12.10.56 # no, i don't plan on supporting it until i release a new bootloader 12.11.28 # ok when i get my ipod i will dual boot this and original 12.11.36 # and i care even less just because 1.31 doesn't add anything useful 12.11.52 # lunch time 12.12.27 # bbiab 12.12.28 Quit phlasphy ("Leaving") 12.15.01 # hey guys am having trouble trying to debug something, getting a compiler wraning and linker error: 12.15.10 # char debug_buf[255]; 12.15.10 # sprintf(debug_buf, "1)audio_get_buffer playing is %d, audio_is_initialzed is %d", playing, audio_is_initialized); 12.15.15 # 12.15.21 # what did i do wrong there? 12.15.26 # it's been a long time for c 12.20.13 # am trying to create a debug string inside playback.c using sprintf but it doesn't want to work 12.21.21 # anyone 12.21.22 # ? 12.27.14 # i can't even find the definition of sprintf anhywhere in the source 12.28.15 # using snprintf worked ? 12.28.45 Quit idnar (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.30.49 # snprintf should be always used to avoid buffer overflows unless you can be very certain those can't happen 12.31.33 # Slasheri, i see sprintf used all over the place without even including sprintf.h, yet i couldn't use it in playback.c 12.31.34 # sprintf is defined in firmware/common/sprintf.c 12.31.50 # you included sprintf.h? 12.31.56 # yeah but where is it prototyped ? 12.32.06 # playback.c already included sprintf.h 12.32.26 # ok, there is no prototype for sprintf 12.32.44 # probably just a good thing.. 12.32.57 # playback.c already included sprintf.h 12.33.12 # just do snprintf(debug_buf, sizeof debug_buf, ... 12.33.15 # yeah, that's for snprintf 12.35.21 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.36.57 # hmm, now the gui_syncsplash call isn't even working :( 12.39.09 Quit PaulJam (".") 12.40.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.42.52 Quit alberink (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.44.12 # now i can't get the splash i wrote in playback.c to show 12.52.58 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 12.55.25 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 12.56.38 Quit MarcoPolo (Client Quit) 12.57.15 Quit jba (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.57.36 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 12.57.59 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 12.58.28 Join Tyronemaskell [0] (n=Dude@160.124.9.234) 12.58.47 # hello all 12.58.55 # pls can someone help me 12.58.57 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 12.58.59 Quit dau (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.59.03 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 13.00.09 Quit MarcoPolo (Client Quit) 13.00.31 # with a good wma converter pls 13.00.43 # tried foobar but it did not work 13.01.15 Join alberink [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 13.01.53 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 13.02.54 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.02.58 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 13.05.22 Quit MarcoPolo (Client Quit) 13.06.26 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 13.09.39 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 13.09.57 # hello anyone ? 13.11.32 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.11.38 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 13.11.46 # i guess nobody here has any tips for you... :-( 13.12.42 # probably because "hello anyone ?" is not a part of rockbox 13.12.50 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 13.20.12 # blue_lizard: he asked for hints about good wma converters 13.22.51 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 13.23.01 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 13.26.02 # Tyronemaskell: look on the hydrogenaudio forums perhaps, they're good with codec stuff 13.26.07 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (i=hihi@75-151.wlan.rz.uni-potsdam.de) 13.30.18 Join phlasphy [0] (n=Ash@124.177.66.27) 13.30.36 # hey again 13.30.54 # scorche, is there any plans for rockbox on a creative? 13.31.16 # no plans 13.31.27 # ok 13.31.30 # but anyone can do it if he puts his mind to it 13.31.30 # :( 13.31.37 # even a noob? 13.31.44 # well, not anyone :-) 13.31.49 # lol 13.32.01 # what i meant was that we don't make plans 13.32.05 # ok 13.32.15 # so it may happen 13.32.24 # if someone with the right skills start working on it, we will certainly cheer 13.32.35 # ok 13.32.42 # that's how all ports get done 13.32.45 # i have heard bad things about ipods audio quality 13.32.52 # really? 13.32.55 # yeah 13.33.23 # do you have an ipod 13.35.12 # guess not 13.35.50 Quit Tyronemaskell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.36.05 # LinusN, what would be the best sound quality mp3 player 13.36.10 # brand wise? 13.36.49 # i dunno really 13.36.51 # afaik there are big differences between the several ipod generations 13.37.07 # ok 13.37.10 # so one cannot say ipod has a bad sound quality 13.37.22 # i think iriver and x5 have very good quality 13.37.24 # i mean the 5.5 generation 13.37.27 # you need to be more specific 13.37.44 # and i didn't find anything wrong with my ipod video either, it sounds quite allright to me 13.37.53 # afaik there has been a lot of discussion about that in the ipod forums 13.37.57 Join Tyronemaskell [0] (n=Dude@rgm-ip-nas-1-p195.telkom-ipnet.co.za) 13.38.22 # blue_lizard, do you have a link 13.38.28 # i have alink that compares iriver h300 against cowon x5 13.38.46 # i dont have an ipod and therefore no link about it 13.38.54 # ok 13.39.21 # also can you tell the differance in soud quality between mp3 VBR and flac 13.39.37 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 13.40.34 # flac should be deffinitively better than mp3 because it is lossless 13.40.50 # thats a big difference 13.40.55 # i mean audible differance 13.41.19 # depends what do you mean with audible 13.41.32 # your ear is something you can teach things 13.41.43 # really 13.41.57 # and of course it depends on the rest of the equipment 13.42.06 # Yes, you can even teach the ear to hear things that aren't there. 13.42.32 # strange 13.42.41 # Febs: rofl, that topic again 13.43.09 # ok through average head phones 13.43.14 # Use LAME and the -V presets, and it is EXTREMELY unlikely that you will be able to identify any audible difference between mp3 and FLAC. 13.43.16 # can u tell the differance 13.43.27 # febs V0 13.43.29 # i use 13.43.34 # * wehn swears his gold plated USB cable makes his MP3s sound better. 13.44.13 # * Febs hopes wehn is joking. 13.44.13 # and i swear my 2xEL34 makes my iriver sound better 13.44.24 # the question is is it worth the effort 13.44.29 # it's ok, i am. 13.44.31 # You have a tube iriver?! 13.44.43 Join ScoTTie_ [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 13.44.57 # and 99% of the time the effort is not worth it 13.45.07 # lame -h V 5 or 6 sounds good to me. even with etymotic ER6i 13.46.40 # phlasphy: [13:41:25] your ear is something you can teach things │ crashd 13.46.42 # [13:41:36] really 13.46.54 # ask people who have tinitus 13.47.20 # but how can you teach your ear 13.47.47 # of course not the ear but the system behind it and the brain 13.47.49 # * Febs has tinnitus. 13.47.56 # * blue_lizard to 13.48.02 # unfortunately 13.48.15 # what is tinnitus 13.48.22 # Permanent ringing in the ears. 13.48.32 # :( 13.48.36 # poor you 13.48.41 # how do you get that? 13.48.50 # Too many years as a working musician. 13.48.56 # fortunately my is at ~12kHz 13.49.09 # that means 13.49.22 # it is easier to overhear it 13.49.42 # ok 13.49.51 # can you teach your ear not to hear it 13.50.02 # soem people have 2 or three tones between 2-7 kHz and that drives them crayzy 13.50.19 # yes you can learn to overhear it 13.50.34 # that would drive me crazy 13.50.47 # it is the same as musicians learn to hear drums or bass or lead guitar better then the rest 13.50.55 # ok 13.51.05 # because they are more interessted in it 13.53.53 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.54.14 # Vincent van Gogh has cut one of his ears because of tinnitus 13.54.38 # would you still hear if you cut your ear off? 13.54.38 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.54.43 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 13.54.45 # of course 13.55.03 # it is not a pysical problem in the ear 13.55.17 # i mean would you still hear people talk and stuff 13.55.19 # it is a problem with the nerves 13.55.41 # * XavierGr has tinnitus too :( 13.55.58 # if you cut your ear you could of course still hear 13.56.03 # ok 13.56.09 # but not if you cut deep into it 13.56.12 Quit ScoTTie (Connection timed out) 13.56.26 # * phlasphy thinks his dads gf has tinnitus 13.56.40 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 13.57.25 # he cut his earlap not into the organ afaik 13.58.08 # at start I was getting crazy about it, after some months I think I am used to it... 13.59.08 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3170.gwdg.de) 13.59.20 # at the begin the biggest problem is the fear thet you have 14.00.47 # fear? 14.00.57 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 14.01.49 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6ffd17a1781fbbb7) 14.03.35 # what kind of fear? 14.05.36 # image in your ear it begins to ring 14.05.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.06.03 # you go to bed, you know there is nothing to hear and you her that ringing 14.06.11 # uhhh 14.06.14 # id hate that 14.06.25 # you wake up and bevore you open your eyes the ringging is there 14.06.41 # so why does it happen? 14.06.42 # i paniced a lot 14.07.09 # and after the doc sait it probably would newer go away .. 14.07.52 # i would freak out 14.08.01 # at start all freak out 14.08.07 # but then you get used to it 14.08.20 # there is not much you can do about it so.... 14.08.29 # so why does it happen? 14.08.51 # stress, to loud sounds (music,weapons) 14.09.06 # well I got it from a barotrauma. I dived to much into the sea without equalizing correctly 14.09.25 # sometimes a side effect of illness 14.09.55 # would you rather be deaf? 14.09.58 # some say it is permanent slight hearing loss 14.10.14 # phlasphy: no 14.10.16 # of course not 14.10.17 # ok 14.10.57 # high blod presure makes it louder 14.11.02 # * phlasphy wonders where his brother put his ear phones 14.11.28 # so one has to avoid stress and to much spices in the meals 14.11.55 # mine is getting better if i drink more water 14.12.26 # so i try to drink 1.5l water more at work 14.12.40 # wow 14.12.45 # probably because the blod is more fluid 14.13.03 # well I can't say that I can hear major difference with different diets 14.13.36 # I always hear the ringing when I am talking about it or there is complete silence where I am 14.13.39 # ahwell ill have to wait till tommorow and ask him where he put them 14.14.04 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 14.14.22 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.14.27 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 14.14.31 # I hear ringing too atm but it's this bloody PSU of the pc of my colleague :/ 14.14.39 # lol 14.14.44 # heh 14.14.47 # what is better quality V0vbr or 320cbr 14.15.31 # now such things like ringing from an psu are far more disturbing then before 14.16.23 # petur: most of the times I let my computer on at night. The sound it makes muffles the ringing. 14.16.44 Quit Tyronemaskell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.16.46 # i never go out without earplugs 14.17.35 # XavierGr: i assume you are living alone? 14.19.36 # * petur has a near-silent pc at home so it wouldn't help ;) 14.20.27 # who knows a bit about speaker specs 14.21.32 # blue_lizard: in my room yes, I am alone 14.22.21 # what does sensitivity mean? 14.22.59 Part LinusN 14.23.22 # if you put power into the speaker it creates air presure 14.23.31 # and 14.23.41 # an speaker with more sensivity creates more presure then one with less 14.23.52 # so more is better? 14.24.00 # also known as effciency 14.24.12 # so would 9dB be audible? 14.24.25 # Frequency Response 20Hz-20kHz 6Hz - 23kHz 6Hz-23kHz 14.24.25 # Sensitivity 115dB 106dB 106dB 14.24.28 # which is better 14.25.01 # depends on what you want 14.25.08 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD3CC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.25.16 # high quality music 14.25.18 # sensitivity is not very important on normal amplifiers 14.25.27 # or earphones 14.25.33 # for an mp3 player 14.25.39 # and these are earphones 14.25.56 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 14.26.00 # 106dB is morethen average 14.26.07 # ok 14.26.14 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 14.26.17 # 115dB is of course the best in sensivity 14.26.26 # but response 14.26.29 # is lower for that 1 14.26.35 # but that does not say anything about the quality 14.26.48 # 6-23kHz looks nice.... 14.27.04 # i know 14.27.12 # Why is playback code so complicated? The concepts are quite simple but the code is hard to understand. Could it be made more "orthogonal"? 14.27.12 # * petur loves bass that goes low ( != bass that is loud) 14.27.39 # peturhttp://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=437&subcategory=441&product=14744 14.27.41 # petur http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=437&subcategory=441&product=14744 14.27.46 # petur: therefore no tube amplifiers for you 14.27.55 # Or is it already optimized to ... can't no more? 14.28.10 # webguest20: we are constantly improving the playback code 14.28.38 # and yes, it is complicated 14.28.44 # webguest20: and of course rockbox uses the "tangential" aproach 14.28.54 # ...but it shouldn't be... 14.29.22 Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (n=Phil@p50908E94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.29.39 # * kurzhaarrocker is angry 14.29.45 # * LinusN hides 14.30.07 # That's not necessary, LinusN, as I am angry at my self 14.30.20 # I ask because I've read the wiki page about playback concepts, but in the code there are much more if's and queues and... 14.30.21 # I just smoked my iriver h120. 14.30.34 # ouch :( 14.30.37 # I inserted the archos charging plug into it and that fried it. 14.30.37 # wrong ac adapter? 14.30.41 # yes 14.30.45 # damn that sucks 14.30.46 # ouch 14.31.13 # wrong ac adapter is the natural enemy of H100s 14.31.28 # Is there wisdom among theese geeks here on how to repair it? 14.31.28 # * petur has his chargers clearly labeled and always double checks 14.31.32 # Is there no protection circuit? 14.31.37 # kurzhaarrocker: is it completely dead? how long was the charger inserted? 14.31.45 # a diode would be enough 14.32.11 # It was inserted for ~ 2 minutes. It smells and doesn't turn on any more, LinusN 14.32.11 # a diode to protect against overvoltage? 14.32.25 # kurzhaarrocker: there might still be hope 14.32.27 # A Zener diode can do that trick. 14.32.40 # exact 14.33.02 # ah 14.33.02 # but i meant wrong polarity 14.33.16 # * kurzhaarrocker becomes hopeful on LinusN's prospect of hope 14.34.37 # it might help to replace a coltage regulator and perhaps also a few capacitors 14.34.59 # s/coltage/voltage/ 14.35.19 Join bluebrother [0] (i=liGPD7T8@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 14.35.37 # it depends on if you tried to turn it on when the charger was attached 14.35.55 # erm - I think I did that ... 14.36.03 # if you did, the situation might be a lot worse 14.36.48 # then there is a possibility that the cpu has been fried 14.37.01 # *squeek* 14.37.27 # you could try to find a used h120 with a broken HD, might be cheap, then switch out the drives 14.37.41 # that's the best tip 14.39.01 # LinusN: What voltage do you get when your h300 is fully charged? I'm trying to figure out if the calibration is off... 14.40.21 # n1s: it often depends on how old your battery is 14.40.29 # between 4.1 and 4.2 volts 14.40.29 # * phlasphy is confused about which mp3 player to get? 14.40.44 # phlasphy: make a list of requirements 14.40.54 # ok 14.41.00 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.41.09 # n1s: mine has 4.17-4.18 according to the rockbox info 14.41.13 # mine was 4.13 and is now 4.12 but whith the recent changes to barrety code it shows 91%full and used to show 100% full with 4.12V 14.41.22 # phlasphy: then you can easily narrow down your list of candidates 14.41.29 # ok 14.41.44 # well, seems my battery is to blame then. 14.42.00 # all i want is over 20GB and can play rockbox with decent battery life and high sound quality 14.42.27 # phlasphy: if you want a player that is still in production, then i'd say iaudio x5 is the best choice 14.42.35 # ok 14.42.42 # why not ipod? 14.42.50 # terrible battery life so far 14.42.54 # ohh ok 14.42.58 # like how terrible? 14.42.59 # and bad performance too 14.43.12 # performance of what? 14.43.23 # sound skipping 14.43.24 # playback, it can skip if you have a "busy" wps 14.43.32 # oh, barrety=battery of course 14.43.44 # ok 14.43.51 # what is wps? 14.43.58 # n1s: our brains are fault tollerant 14.44.02 # While Playing Screen 14.44.13 # blue_lizard: good to know :-P 14.44.14 # ok 14.44.47 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (i=hihi@75-113.wlan.rz.uni-potsdam.de) 14.45.20 # anybody here use/used arch linux 14.45.24 # hmm, how bad is the hit to battery life in the ipod? 14.45.40 # I heard 60% 14.46.09 # phlasphy: i use debian 14.46.15 # ok 14.46.33 # ah, found the benchmark page 14.47.33 # i use arch at home 14.47.55 # blue_lizard, is it good 14.48.05 # hmm, benchmark page has entries between 5-10 hours for the ipod video. .good enough for me 14.48.31 # it is good if you have some experience with linux 14.48.56 # it doesnt do anything for you 14.49.16 # not even as far ad debian 14.49.30 # what do you mean it doesnt do anything for you? 14.49.33 # it is the opposite of ubuntu 14.49.41 # what about as far as slackware? 14.50.23 # i only used debian gentoo ubuntu and arch tha last 7 years and dont know how slackware works 14.50.40 # ok 14.50.59 # would it be worth buying a psp as a mp3 player? 14.51.41 # not much storage, no? 14.51.46 # :( 14.51.59 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.51.59 # but that depends on the memory stick? 14.52.28 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 14.52.41 # expensive memory sticks, yes... 14.52.45 # ebay 14.53.50 # and whats max on those sticks? 4gig? 14.54.23 # and rather what's the max capacity the psp supports? 14.56.10 # 8GB i think 14.56.16 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.198.191) 15.00.11 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.09.20 Join leftright [0] (n=leftrigh@cd4406110.cable.wanadoo.nl) 15.09.51 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.10.21 # why does a reset of settings fix issues/bugs ? 15.10.41 # phlasphy: but the 'unique'-equalizerset owns 15.10.57 # what? 15.10.58 # but memory sticks cost so much 15.11.01 # on psp you know 15.11.12 # i dont actually lol 15.11.18 # i think i will get one of them 15.11.21 # :) 15.11.27 # i already have a 512 one for my phone 15.11.32 # i have one already, i wish i had wlan here too 15.12.02 # but snes on psp owns 15.12.13 # snes on psp 15.12.17 # awesome 15.12.21 # it's so nice to play zelda or mario where ever i want 15.12.38 # lex, can you do that on the latest firmware? 15.12.39 # http://lex.evot.us/psp/SSM11677.JPG ;) 15.12.48 # no, i'm using 1.5 and devhook for 2.71 15.12.56 # and 3.01 is the newest and they can't be used with that 15.13.09 # leftright: if people mix cvs builds with patched ones (or experimentals), or if a dev changes settings and forgets to up the versionblocknumber 15.13.15 # can u downgrade? 15.13.28 # i did, i had 2.50 15.13.38 # but i guess that 2.82+ can't be downgraded 15.13.38 # ok, so its always good to do a reset anyway 15.13.39 # ok 15.13.42 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.13.50 # leftright: doesn't hurt ;) 15.14.17 # things will get better when settings move to cfg files for good 15.14.25 # lex, join ###chat 15.14.30 # thanks 15.14.53 # * petur runs off for a while 15.15.00 Quit leftright (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 15.19.23 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 15.26.31 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (i=hihi@75-17.wlan.rz.uni-potsdam.de) 15.29.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp117-205.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.34.05 # * kurzhaarrocker is annoyed by his boss who acutally wants him to work 15.34.07 # Thanx for the hints regarding my broken h120 LinusN. 15.34.33 # i hope it turns out well for you 15.34.41 # * kurzhaarrocker to 15.34.43 # So long 15.34.51 Quit kurzhaarrocker (Remote closed the connection) 15.38.41 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.42.19 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.236.201) 15.42.23 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.43.57 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.30 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 15.46.49 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.49.23 Part LinusN 15.50.41 Quit Gnelik ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.59.22 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.03.41 # On the wiki page LangFiles, section about deprecation, it says that description should be set to DEPRECATED. And then, few lines below, only dest is set to DEPRECATED. What is correct? 16.05.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.06.33 # The description should be set to DEPRECATED and the rest should be empty e.g "" 16.07.36 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549655BE.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.07.45 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549300B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.07.59 # n1s: then the wiki page should be corrected. Do you have the wiki account (I don't)? 16.08.49 # webguest20: well at leats that's how I _think_ it's supposed to be done, better wait till bagder gets here. 16.10.11 # n1s: yes, I also have seen some places in english.lang that set desc (not dest!) to deprecated. And got confused by wiki. 16.14.26 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 16.16.28 # the desc field is for pure human consumption 16.16.45 # the dest field can be set to 'deprecated' which is the same as setting it to "" 16.17.27 # * Bagder walks off to poke on Qt embedded some more 16.17.34 # ok, the wiki should be made a little clearer, then, i'll fix it. 16.19.11 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host230-125.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 16.19.35 # is onscreen keyboard supports foreign language symbols? 16.19.56 # yes, with a custom keboard file thingy 16.20.14 # ? 16.21.03 Join ubuntuking [0] (n=king@ip70-191-113-4.cl.ri.cox.net) 16.21.34 # Gnelik: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts 16.22.06 # webguest20: the wiki is fixed 16.22.13 # hello all 16.22.24 # hi 16.23.12 # look a king! 16.23.25 # yes yes 16.23.32 # thy king has arrived 16.23.48 # ah, my ipod 5.5G is arriwing on thursday :) 16.23.55 # *v 16.24.35 # aren't the 5.5G ipods not supported by rockbox? 16.24.42 # ah, so rockbox on the 5.5 by the weekend ? ;-) 16.24.47 # Slasheri: did you see the mail to the list from someone who wanted yo donate a h120 with dead harddrive? 16.24.55 # or are you going to do the port 16.24.58 # yes, but 30GB model is easy to make fully supported :) 16.25.04 # ah, cool 16.25.27 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.25.43 # n1s: i just noticed it, might ask about it :) but Linus is also fixing the flash on my unit 16.26.03 # Slasheri: did he receiv it? wow fast 16.26.14 # receive too 16.26.16 # but then you have two tries to fix the bootloader :-P 16.26.30 # XavierGr: not sure, but it's in the post 16.26.45 # and it has already arrived at sweden ;) 16.27.17 # n1s: hehe :) 16.27.45 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a963c80f46dc223d) 16.28.07 # can anyone give me a link to expression parser in written C 16.28.37 Join sekondchakra [0] (n=stan@66-214-128-18.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com) 16.29.01 # * n1s makes a very big comit ;-) 16.29.27 # is installing each days newest build as simple as unzipping the file to my ipod? or is it more complicated than that? 16.29.37 # when cvs add-ing files that were copied & renamed, do I need to change the $Id line first? 16.29.41 # (caution: n00b on deck) 16.29.48 # sekondchakra: yep, just unzip 16.29.54 # cool... 16.30.27 # any settings I could change to keep my ipod mini 1G from freezing up about 30 mins in? 16.30.57 Quit idnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.31.01 # turn off the secret "fereeze timer" :-P 16.31.06 # LOL 16.31.22 # guess I need the password for that, huh? 16.31.39 # im not telling 16.31.41 # but seriously, what makes it freeze 16.31.48 # dunno... 16.32.10 # lowlight: if you want to be sure, just change it to $Id$ 16.32.44 # ok 16.32.55 # I changed the Max Files in Directory Browser to a higher number.... now I'm pretty consistently getting data aborts!! 16.33.02 # (just NOW got another one...) 16.33.13 # same number, too: 00041D10 16.33.31 # what files are you playing 16.33.41 # you mean what KIND? 16.33.49 # yes... 16.33.59 # lemme check.... 16.34.12 # it was the "Brainwashed" album... 16.34.34 # waitin' for disk access to stop... 16.34.58 # yeah...they're AAC's.... 16.35.29 # would that make any diff? 16.35.52 # there has been a little bit of trouble with aac's but I thought they were fixed... Is your build new? 16.36.33 # brand, spanky new... (From this morning--literally) 16.37.03 Part phlasphy ("Leaving") 16.37.10 # Try playing some other formats and see if it only happends with aac 16.37.27 # I'm all over it... Jeff Lynne this time... mp3's.... 16.37.56 # any idea why changing that Max Files setting would seem to set off data abort's? 16.38.04 # before that I was just getting freezes.... 16.38.06 # and if you are sure aac causes it I think you should get Lear's attention 16.38.11 # no 16.38.15 # what is the effect of changing the max files in dir browser??? 16.38.22 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 16.38.45 # BEFORE changing Max Files: Freeze 16.38.50 # the dirbrowser will display more files in a directory with many files 16.38.55 # AFTER changing Max Files: Data Abort 16.38.59 # dan_a: Hi Dan 16.39.09 # does it make it function any faster though? 16.39.10 # Hi Gnelik 16.39.20 # And I was playing the exact same trax each time.... 16.39.21 Join idnar [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.39.24 # ubuntuking: no 16.39.27 # in the same order... 16.39.37 # odd.... 16.39.46 # dan_a:Âù you have a free time now? 16.39.54 # nls: thanks 16.39.57 # âù = do 16.40.08 # ubuntuking: if you get "Dir Buffer Full!" messages you should increase it or reorganize your collection :-) 16.40.44 # nls, havent had that problem so far, thanks for the info though 16.40.56 # currently it is set to 400 16.41.25 # Gnelik: I did a 17 hour day at work yesterday, so didn't have time to get any more done on the Sansa :( 16.41.43 # does anyone know if the default theme is any more stable than icatcher? 16.41.58 # (i saw something somewhere about vu meters causing probs?) 16.42.09 # icatcher doesn't seem to have meters... 16.42.37 # dan_a: it seems that originar firmware write's some data to the place where bootloader is sitoated and it crashes after booting it 16.43.13 # sekondchakra: the peakmeters make music skip on some players (some ipods and h10 i think) 16.43.25 # i am talking about my bootloader 16.43.50 # nls, so that implies that icatcher MIGHT be a better choice? 16.44.25 # i'll try it for awhile... 16.44.32 # sekondchakra: yes, but it's not more _stable_ 16.44.45 # ah... 16.45.43 # Gnelik: Describe how the OF crashes. Does the LED light up if you move the scroll wheel? 16.46.23 # dan_a 16.47.01 # It dont crasher. I turn it off and when i turn player on my bootloader hangs up 16.47.24 # it blinks with a long dellay by white 16.47.42 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.48.15 # dan_a: Can you try to do this? 16.49.23 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7D21.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.49.38 # http://pastebin.ca/260642 16.51.52 # well, I just got the identical data abort code playing some mp3's... so it wouldn't seem to be an AAC issue...! 16.52.10 # and no peakmeters going, either... 16.52.34 # Gnelik: Building it now 16.55.54 # Gnelik: You need a delay before the key repeat starts on the menu... I'm just checking that booting RB works a couple of times, and then I'll try OF. 16.57.12 # No, it doesn't matter what firmware I boot, your bootloader only works once. That's weird! 16.57.49 # Hm. 16.58.13 # Great :) Boot once and threw youê playeê away 16.58.30 # hahaha 16.58.44 Join phlasphy [0] (n=Ash@CPE-124-177-66-27.qld.bigpond.net.au) 16.59.04 Part phlasphy ("Leaving") 16.59.45 # I suspect it might be the timer interrupts... I seem to recall that PP chips don't like using sleep() in the bootloader. Try changing sleep(HZ/10) to udelay(100) 17.01.56 # 100 is to little 17.02.07 Join psiborg [0] (n=psiborg@flits103-221.flits.rug.nl) 17.02.11 Quit psiborg (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.03.13 # Hm. Menu is working now but strange things in messages area left 17.03.16 # * dan_a forgets the difference between milliseconds and microseconds again 17.05.33 # dan_a: sleep() does work only after the timer is initialised. If it doesn't werk in the ipod(h10/sansa bootloader, this init is missing 17.05.45 # It does work in the coldfire bootloaders 17.06.15 Quit ender` (" I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't prove it.") 17.06.40 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@156.80-202-167.nextgentel.com) 17.06.52 # *something* isn't being initialised. If you boot in recovery mode, and reboot without doing anything, it works again. 17.08.20 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 17.08.52 # Gnelik: I like the look of your bootloader, but one of the reasons for having the firmware selected by pressing a button is so that whichever firmware is chosen boots as fast as possible. Could you make the menu come up only if "menu" is pressed, otherwise it boots Rockbox? 17.14.17 # yep 17.14.24 # NP 17.14.30 # amiconn: On the PortalPlayer machines, setting up the timer interrupt is #ifdef-ed out for the bootloader 17.15.33 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.16.20 # is anyone in the rockbox "inner circle" likely to be interested in my freeze/data abort situation here? I mean should I let anyone know officially? 17.16.23 # I wonder why... 17.16.45 # I just lowered the Max Files setting to 950 (from 1000) and now I'm getting freezes again--instead of Data aborts... 17.16.55 # so it seems pretty consistent... 17.17.04 # amiconn: At a guess, Apple OF wouldn't boot if interrupts were initialised 17.17.31 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 17.17.52 # Worth a test imho 17.18.49 Join Athanatos [0] (i=Abadon@bas1-toronto01-1177656927.dsl.bell.ca) 17.19.25 # sekondchakra: you can try an unsupported build that disables frequency scaling (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0) 17.20.16 # hey guys 17.20.58 # obo ... thanks....I'll check that out...! 17.21.09 # thanks, everyone... 17.21.16 Quit sekondchakra ("Leaving") 17.22.12 # i was reading the install manual and it says that 2.5 is the stable release out but i bloody don't see it in the downloads section for my ipod, only for those archos players 17.22.18 # must i use a daily release? 17.22.27 # yes 17.22.32 # ok 17.23.19 Quit petur ("*plop*") 17.23.28 # the maual also says (right below) "Note: The current stable release is available only for Archos jukeboxes. There has not yet been a stable release for the Ipod Color. Until there is a stable release for Ipod Color, use a daily build or CVS build." 17.26.11 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 17.28.28 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.29.06 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7D21.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.29.41 # n1s: should the dest string for deprecated entries not set to "" (instead of 'deprecated')? 17.31.09 # webguest20: it's set to deprecated without quotes just to be easier to read, it could be "" just as well. 17.32.27 # n1s: I saw somewhere that by setting it to "" you save memory 17.32.57 Quit rconan (Remote closed the connection) 17.33.41 # yes but afaik lang v2 handles the deprecated string as a special case and therefore no quotes, if you put "deprecated" in it would probably eat those few bytes 17.34.49 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@156.80-202-167.nextgentel.com) 17.35.02 # n1s: ok. Just wanted to be sure. BTW: isn't it decided by desc? Then you could have anything in source, dest etc. -- and it would be ignored. 17.37.01 # n1s: I'll take a look at the gen script. I'm not a perl expert though. 17.37.10 # dest: is just a description meant for translators afaik 17.39.20 # * n1s stares angrily at TeX 17.40.04 # n1s: so DEPRECATED in this fields is also just a convenience for translators and not handled specially by the script? That should be changed! 17.40.48 # * webguest20 loves (La)TeX! 17.41.10 # oh, sorry I meant desc: not dest: 17.41.23 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-17e957b2012bdae6) 17.41.50 # * petur pops in for 1 second to pass this link: http://archosfans.com/2006/11/24/archos-604-wi-fi-review1/ 17.42.08 Quit petur (Client Quit) 17.42.14 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 17.42.37 # n1s: so is there a field that the script analyzes to be 'DEPRECATED' and treates the entry as deprecated? 17.43.51 # Or is only a check made that all fields are empty ("")? 17.43.56 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 17.45.05 # webguest20: afaik the script handles the id: source: and dest: when building a .lng, when all the strings are empty, well the strings are empty, they're still there, and desc: is used by the translation script to tell translators what the string is used for. 17.45.21 # no only id: and dest: 17.45.29 # source is also translation 17.46.35 # langv2 gained some fancy new features such as the special keywords deprecated and none, none will not make a string but deprecated will make an empty one (again afaik) 17.47.29 # But if you really want to get the dirty details you should talk to Bagder :-) 17.47.32 # and langv2 primarily introduced target-specific translations 17.47.46 # 'deprecated' where? 17.47.52 # när man talar om trollen :P 17.48.14 # ehm? 17.48.20 # webguest20: dest: 17.48.55 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 17.50.28 # n1s: but in english.lang there are several entires (e.g. LANG_DIRCACHE_REBOOT) with desc=DEPRECATED and dest=""! 17.50.54 # Is english.lang wrong then? 17.51.20 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.236.206) 17.51.24 # Bagder: why don't you say an ultimate word? 17.51.33 # I did already 17.51.38 # desc can say anything 17.51.41 # deprecated == "" 17.51.46 # exactly 17.52.47 # darnit HD resolution is a lot of pixels... 17.52.48 # Bagder: ok, sorry, must have missed smth. 17.55.25 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 18.04.42 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 18.05.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.06.37 # indeed 18.08.45 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim_pick@82-69-41-162.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 18.09.42 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 18.10.07 Quit JoeyBorn ("be back in 40 min or so") 18.17.17 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEF152.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.17.56 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/administrator/Febs) 18.19.22 Quit Athanatos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.19.54 Join _ke [0] (n=dgsiegel@e181097031.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.20.09 # <_ke> hi 18.21.51 # <_ke> how is the battery runtime on rockbox and on ipodlinux? i know that both systems take twice as much power as the apple firmware.. but where can i find some more information? 18.22.30 # there's a runtime wiki page that should have some ipod runtimes with Rockbox 18.24.14 # <_ke> just found.. but with ipodlinux? 18.24.36 # _ke: ask in #ipodlinux? 18.25.05 # in general, we mostly do Rockbox and don't know much details about ipodlinux 18.25.56 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 18.26.33 # <_ke> i thought yu guys were working together 18.26.50 # not really 18.27.41 # but then Rockbox is for many more platforms than just ipod 18.28.07 # <_ke> ok ;) 18.28.22 # <_ke> anyway its a pretty cool project 18.28.38 # <_ke> Bagder, how often do you update yur firmware? 18.29.12 # I have 3.5 targets, and I usually just update one of the infrequently when I decide to use that particular one 18.29.21 # one of them 18.29.57 # the .5 being Sansa, and it doesn't yet actually play sound yet 18.30.13 # <_ke> so once a week? 18.30.29 # from once per month to once per day, depending on my mood 18.30.42 # and on what happens in the project and in my life 18.30.44 # and whether you are developing or not ;) 18.30.49 # yeah, like that 18.31.49 Part webguest20 ("bye") 18.32.12 # and I've been a bit on the absent side in that department lately 18.32.28 # <_ke> ;) 18.32.39 # to the sadness of many 18.32.57 # <_ke> is there some hidden place for MANY ipod g5 wps-themes? maybe.. 18.33.07 # rockbox-themes.org 18.33.38 # as well as the WPSGallery in the wiki, those are the main 2 places 18.34.33 # <_ke> just found those ;) 18.36.00 # _ke: feel free to download whatever you like, and if you ever find someone trying sell it to you run away! 18.36.22 # not necessarily ;) 18.36.27 # there is a right way to do things 18.36.51 # any news on that scorche? 18.36.56 # nope 18.37.27 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 18.37.33 # well it isn't against any law nor license to attempt to sell these things 18.37.56 # just probably not a very profitable business 18.38.31 # just have to give credit where it is due, ask permission from the WPS authors, most likely post source, etc 18.38.43 # yeps 18.40.31 # scorche: Do you know any wps creator that would like the idea that someone (tries to) make money from their themes, especially when they already share them for free? 18.40.54 # if they asked politely, i wouldnt mind 18.41.02 # but they are copyrighted 18.41.08 # so permission must be asked 18.41.15 # Genre9mp3: every single open source app in the world can be sold like that 18.41.26 # so why would WPS creators be different? 18.42.24 # Actually, there's not really any clear license on the WPS is there? (apart from those in CVS) 18.42.27 # sure... but this is unfair for a possible buyer when it's already free in the gallery 18.42.38 # rasher: no, you'd have to ask for permission/license first 18.42.51 # Genre9mp3: I disagree 18.42.59 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.43.01 # looooots of people buy linux 18.43.10 # if though it is downloadable perfectly free 18.43.13 # even though 18.43.49 # I can understand this for an OS, but for a single file and some bmps? Why someone wants to buy such a thing? 18.43.54 # rasher: i was under the impression that because they are not under any specified license, they are copyrighted....or something like that... 18.44.04 # Well yes 18.44.15 # I meant a license that permitted redistribution 18.44.19 # Genre9mp3: he isnt offering to sell it to them...he is doing the service of installing 18.44.29 # Genre9mp3: well, if there's a market someone might buy them and then there is a market as otherwise nobody would buy them... 18.44.59 # and I can understand people wanting to buy a pre-installed rockbox player 18.45.09 # if not too expensive 18.45.17 # didn't someone do that once? 18.45.28 # in fact, many archos and iriver devices on ebay have had rockbox preinstalled 18.45.30 # yes, I remember Jeff did it during a period 18.45.42 # Bagder: was it successful? =P 18.45.47 # I don't know 18.45.57 # The "service" of installing a theme sounds ridiculous to my ears 18.46.37 # then don't buy that ;-) 18.47.28 # Well, I doubt it, but maybe someone does because of lack of information 18.47.49 # ...and I think, this is the reason that he doesn't give credit to Rockbox 18.47.49 # or want to bother 18.49.00 # Providing a link to rockbox site will limit the (already low) chances for a buyer 18.49.21 # so that gived him the validity to not do it? 18.49.42 # gave...heh 18.49.50 # * scorche leaves to go work 18.49.51 # I didn't speak about validity 18.51.55 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.52.27 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.198.191) 19.16.28 Quit gtkspert (Remote closed the connection) 19.18.18 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 19.29.33 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.30.59 Quit gtkspert (Remote closed the connection) 19.31.51 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.31.59 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@gateless.info) 19.34.56 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 19.35.08 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.36.15 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.38.35 Quit _ke ("Leaving") 19.39.05 Quit daurn|laptop (Connection reset by peer) 19.39.57 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 19.59.40 Quit ubuntuking ("Leaving") 20.02.48 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.05.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.05.49 Quit dan_a () 20.07.17 # I need more dissassembly help...http://pastebin.ca/260843 20.07.41 # I don't see what the first BEQ is comparing 20.09.44 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 20.10.03 # beq isn't a compare, it's a branch on zero flag set 20.10.37 # this looks like thumb code, which makes it act on the and instruction preceding it 20.11.17 # it probably checks to see if some bit in r2 is set, then jumps if it isn't 20.12.36 # That section was marked as a "subroutine". What do I look for in the preceeding code before the branch to that sub? 20.12.48 # actually, it seems to check if either of bit 3 or 0 is set 20.13.20 Quit ogi (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.13.57 # hmm, i don't think i know what the calling convention for thumb code is 20.15.56 # here's the calling code http://pastebin.ca/260854 (the previous code was sub_1E4A) 20.18.22 # weird, looks like r2 is passed, but then just clobbered 20.19.32 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.19.35 # what is this for, btw? 20.19.37 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 20.20.57 # both parameters are addresses, that's for sure 20.21.26 # it does the same thing if none of the bits are set and if only bit 3 is set 20.21.28 # "both" ? 20.21.40 Quit bluebrother ("changing from remote to local client") 20.21.43 # does different things for both bit 0 set and both bits sets 20.21.46 # lowlight: yeah, r0 and r1 20.22.00 Join bluebrother [0] (i=UKBgQmuq@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 20.24.13 # ok...I think I see...they are referenced, but not set in the subroutine 20.26.26 # this looks like a switch statement compiled with a bad c compiler 20.26.38 # it checks for an impossible case, probably the default: case 20.27.13 # would the branch flag still be set from the CMP R0, #0 prior to calling the subroutine? 20.27.34 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.27.41 # sure 20.27.52 # as long as nothing modifies it 20.28.44 # most instructions do, but branches never do 20.29.01 Quit PaulPosition (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.30.09 # but yeah, the routine code translates to checking bits 0 and 3 of the address contents then doing the following for all cases: 1. none set -> writes 3 to both [r1] and [r0 + 0x14], 2. bit 0 set only -> writes 1 to both of them, 3 bit 3 set only -> writes 3 to both, 4. both bits set -> does nothing 20.30.14 # in all cases it returns + 20.30.17 # 0 <- 20.30.33 Quit excitatory (Connection timed out) 20.32.52 # hi hackers 20.33.10 # what's this code for? 20.33.25 # Olympus m:robe 100 bootloader 20.33.38 # looks like they use a crappy compiler 20.33.48 # is Gnelik still motivated to make a gui for dual boot ? 20.33.49 # gcc perhaps? 20.34.03 # habana: you'd have to ask him 20.34.10 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 20.34.17 # habana: I think he's pretty much got one done 20.34.36 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 20.34.39 # Except there's a bug, I believe. 20.34.45 # Which means that it only works on the first boot. 20.34.55 # nice:) 20.35.26 # err, weird. it would write ata after first boot ? 20.35.36 # ata -> data 20.35.43 # preglow: is there any way to know what address the SP references? 20.35.49 Join Soultwister [0] (n=chatzill@host-69-144-198-27.gdj-co.client.bresnan.net) 20.35.58 # lowlight: sp is the stack pointer, it seems r1 points to a local variable 20.36.29 # i have this unofficial build do i copy it over erverything else 20.36.34 # lowlight: as for at what numerical address, i have no idea, you would have to either simulate the code or play cpu yourself and see where it ends up pointing 20.36.34 # maybe it's possible to keep it read only during boot ? 20.36.48 # right, but it does "add r1, sp, #4" 20.37.02 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.37.22 Join t4t3r [0] (n=me@pool-71-176-130-191.hag.east.verizon.net) 20.37.36 # anyone around to offer some quick help? 20.37.41 # i have this unofficial build do i copy it over everything else 20.38.26 # lowlight: and that would be the in the stackframe of the caller, which makes it a very likely location for a local variable 20.40.26 Join Soultwister_ [0] (n=chatzill@host-69-144-198-27.gdj-co.client.bresnan.net) 20.40.32 # hi 20.40.40 # hi i was dissconnected 20.41.42 # Soultwister_: Just unzip it on top of what you have now. That should be enough unless the maintainer is doing something stupid, in which case you'll proably have to ask him 20.41.46 # i have a unofficial build called john build do i overwrite everthing else to install 20.41.59 # ok 20.42.09 # cool ill try 20.43.21 # preglow: so would this "STMFD SP!, {R0-R12,LR}" set what's on the stack? 20.43.25 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034075058.nb.aliant.net) 20.43.44 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.44.15 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 20.44.56 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 20.45.11 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.45.48 # whenever my ipod boots up with rockbox, it shows the file contents of the ipod (rockbox, calendars, contents, etc). how do i get it to start up in the file browser like it should? 20.45.48 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 20.46.14 # lowlight: yes 20.46.48 # lowlight: if nothing happens to the sp after that, then r1 is what is at sp + 4 20.47.05 # that is, the old sp1 value 20.47.18 Quit Soultwister (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.48.22 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.53.48 Join Moos [0] (i=51400b8c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-003ceb0b88d812a3) 20.59.05 # r1 value... 21.02.21 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.03.47 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 21.09.37 # do i have to create playlist on rockbox 21.10.19 # or is there another way 21.10.35 Join excitatory [0] (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-34-56.wi.res.rr.com) 21.10.40 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 21.11.00 # anyone know 21.11.28 # Soultwister_: just click on a song, it will play the whole dir 21.12.01 # is there a way to clear the playlist on the iPod? 21.12.18 # niskel: does the ipod have a stop button? 21.12.19 # well i have radio shows thats sequencial 21.12.23 # Anyone familiar with iso_encode? 21.12.29 # markun: nope 21.12.34 # niskel, just create a new one by e.g. playing a new song 21.12.35 # markun: that is the problem 21.12.54 # bluebrother: but I dont want an entire dir pulled in 21.13.02 # Lear: a bit 21.13.13 # suggestion...http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-320004 21.13.50 # The count argument, that's the number of chars to write? 21.13.59 # Sorry, I mean read. :) 21.14.00 # so can u make a playlist outrside rockbox 21.14.10 # (From the iso string.) 21.14.20 # Soultwister_, you can. 21.14.50 # well where do i put these playlist and program can i use 21.15.00 # thanks in advance 21.15.29 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD3CC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.15.43 # you can put the playlists anywhere. If they contain relative path names it's no problem at all, if they contain absolute path names you need to make sure that paths are absolute in terms of the players disk 21.15.49 # Lear: you are talkint about iso_DEcode, right? 21.16.03 # Erh, yes. :) (Didn't get much right there...) 21.16.03 # i.e. to the drive letter your player becomes when connected to your pc. 21.16.09 # ahh 21.16.12 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.16.24 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 21.16.29 # so i can use media monkey 21.17.42 # Lear: yes, looks like the max length of the string in bytes 21.18.05 # So, you can't really tell how many bytes will be written... 21.18.13 # as long as i make in the playlist inside ipod drive 21.18.14 # Soultwister_: you want to make .m3u files. If media monkey makes them, then yes. 21.19.21 # ahh thanks 21.20.03 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-83-75.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.21.18 # markun: would be nice with an argument specifying size of utf8 buffer. 21.22.18 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 21.23.14 # yes 21.23.39 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 21.23.52 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 21.24.30 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.25.11 Join jjl55 [0] (i=d891c198@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f55a2458607b391a) 21.26.10 # hey i was wondering why my rockboxed ipod boots up showing the folders and stuff instead of the file browser...anyone know how to fix that? 21.26.34 # jjl55, showing up the folders? What do you mean? 21.27.19 # it shows the actual folders in the root directory of the ipod (rockbox, notes, calendar, etc) 21.27.52 # that's perfectly ok. What are you expecting? 21.28.24 # i thought it was supposed to come up after the splash screen with a list of all my music folders 21.28.56 # no. Rockbox uses a file view as default 21.29.08 # jjl55: look for database in the manual 21.29.16 # alternatively you can use the database view 21.29.40 # okay maybe thats what im expecting 21.30.02 # you can also look for the term "tagcache" -- that's what it was called until some days ago 21.30.39 # especially when browsing the forums 21.30.49 # okay, thank you bluebrother and n1s, i will try that when i get home 21.31.25 Quit jjl55 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.32.28 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.34.39 Quit Ribs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.37.32 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 21.44.02 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.49.38 # preglow: what's the arm (thumb?) instructions "BPL" and "BMI"? I can't find them in the docs. 21.50.54 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 21.52.36 Quit Soultwister_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 21.53.07 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 21.56.30 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 21.56.30 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.56.31 # Branch if plus/minus? 21.56.37 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 21.56.43 # lowlight: These are conditional branches, they are in the reference manual 21.57.05 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 21.57.44 # Btw, anyone know the filename encoding used by Windows (as seen by the simulator at least) when opening files? 22.03.14 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034075058.nb.aliant.net) 22.04.17 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.04.25 # * lowlight downloads a different arm manual 22.05.32 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.194.243) 22.05.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.06.43 Join chaebi [0] (n=kaspar@172-154.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 22.07.34 Join Chris____ [0] (n=Chris@pool-71-114-159-134.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.08.23 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.08.24 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.10.29 Quit t4t3r (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.10.44 Join t4t3r [0] (n=me@pool-71-176-130-186.hag.east.verizon.net) 22.20.42 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 22.25.16 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 22.26.13 Part chaebi ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 22.34.32 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 22.34.37 Quit midkay (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.35.59 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.36.03 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.37.15 Part Chris____ 22.37.23 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 22.45.29 # Bagder: he wrote back 22.46.49 # scorche: What did he say? 22.47.00 # Hi, 22.47.01 # In fact it's very easy: You can boot your iPod as USB Mass-Storage Drive (this is a build in functionality). In this mode, it is possible to change the bootloader. The bootloader is selfwritten and just a single binary file in the root directory of the iPod. After that, we can start our own application instead of the iPod software, or, switch back to the original software while booting the player (thx to the selfwritten bootloader). 22.47.01 # The application itself is a normal C++ Application compiled with the GCC for ARM processors. 22.47.01 DBUG Enqueued KICK scorche 22.47.01 # C YA 22.47.28 # I asked him how it was possible to do this with an ipod... 22.47.37 # "selfwritten" 22.47.45 # "our own application" 22.47.48 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.48.00 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 22.49.06 # scorche: did you mention rockbox at any point in your email? 22.49.10 # no 22.49.29 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.49.35 # that was the point of this introductory mail...to see if he would claim it as his own or mention rockbox 22.49.46 # i would say that he failed this test 22.50.04 # my brain's not working...is "LSL r2,r2,#1; LSR r2,r2,#1" the same as "r2 | 0x80000000"? 22.50.48 # scorche, are you talking about that guy on ebay yesterday? 22.50.52 # yes 22.51.44 # "we can start our own application" hmpf... 22.51.46 # sounds ... not very pleasant 22.51.48 # lowlight: I think that should be "r2 & ~(0x80000000)" 22.52.04 # Still perfecty legal, albeit pretty crappy 22.52.15 # how is it perfectly legal? 22.52.35 # He's not breaking any copyright agreements yet 22.52.42 # Now if he keep that attitude up after the sale 22.52.46 # that's a different story 22.52.51 # not yet ... 22.53.18 # Well yes, he doesn 22.53.25 # 't fill me with confidence. 22.53.29 # well, he is taking the WPSs and marketing them as his own 22.53.46 # We should buy one copy and then leave feedback saying "The same thing is available for free at www.rockbox.org." 22.54.00 # dan_a: thanks 22.54.33 # We should probably put a copyright notice on the WPS Gallery. 22.54.38 # i wish there was a way to see if anyone bought his service 22.54.56 # scorche: Previous transactions? 22.55.08 # Do an advanced search for that seller and completed items. 22.55.18 # i am at the moment 22.55.46 # but it is a buy it now, which means that you cant see any bids/winners like normally 22.55.49 # but is selling artwork from the internet as his own legal in germany? 22.56.39 # seems that it would depend somewhat on the license of the WPS... 22.56.54 # i also wish that i could get a hold of the binary he puts on there to see if it is modified... 22.57.01 # His statement that the software is "selfwritten" would probably constitute fraud and a violation of various consumer protection acts in the United States. 22.57.40 # hcs: they arent under a license 22.58.03 # We should put www.rockbox.org in the splash, and if someone removed it they would have to host their own sources, not just link. 22.58.04 # well there we go... 22.58.27 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 22.58.50 # hcs: they fall under copyright 22.59.23 # scorche: right, from which I would assume he has no right to use them at all, regardless of credit given, but I don't know the laws, especially in Germany 22.59.51 # but rockbox is in the splash (as with the logo) 23.00.01 # but maybe add it as additional line there 23.00.42 # bluebrother: that is why i am wondering if he modified the code at all 23.00.54 # then again, he said it was in C++ 23.01.12 # he maybe doesn't know that Rockbox is in C 23.01.39 # Has this sort of thing happened before (unattributed sale of Rockbox)? 23.01.49 # to lots of people C and C++ are equivalents 23.01.58 # mainly to those without enough clues 23.02.03 # Even to g++ 23.02.12 # one way, any way 23.02.30 # but that doesn't make him look better. 23.02.48 Join ani-adom [0] (n=Shomakom@212.117.141.138.static.012.net.il) 23.02.51 # hehe, he announces "volume normalization". I only know of ReplayGain in Rockbox 23.03.20 # I guess the real problem is the WPS. 23.03.39 # hi 23.04.51 # Bagder: suggested course of action?...the auction has ended recently and has not been put back up yet...should i try to get more information, wait till he puts it up again, or mail him now about it all? 23.05.27 # I'd say mail him now 23.05.42 # who do i use patch bitmap-only? 23.05.50 # I mean, you can just tell him what you think and inform him about the situation 23.06.01 Quit t4t3r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.06.03 Part lowlight 23.06.20 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.06.21 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.06.26 Join t4t3r [0] (n=me@pool-71-176-132-236.hag.east.verizon.net) 23.06.58 # alright...I will do that when i come back in a bit 23.07.02 # Bagder: can u help me? 23.07.10 # maybe it's some kind of kiddie who thinks he is kewl by selling something like that 23.07.19 # ani-adom: I don't understand your question 23.07.39 # bluebrother: of course..."pimp your pod" 23.08.21 # i want to use h300-rmx wps. and i need: his wps needs backdrop, bitmap progress bar and scrolling margins to work. 23.08.42 # where can i get this patch? 23.09.02 # the patch tracker 23.09.10 # and it sounds like multiple patches 23.09.29 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.09.31 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484BBE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.09.33 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 23.09.58 # Would anyone be able to help me with some ARM assembler? MrH had a look at our bootloader the other day, and his opinion was that it was not particularly dual-core safe. I've rewritten the assembler part of the bootloader based on the things he said, but it reloads itsself instead of the firmware. http://pastebin.ca/261082 23.10.07 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 23.10.07 # * scorche is off once again 23.10.43 # I'm sure I've missed something small and important about it... 23.10.53 # Bagder: where can i get this patch tracker? 23.11.00 # ani-adom: on rockbox.org 23.11.55 Join jba [0] (n=jba@postoffice.rogen.com.au) 23.12.05 # im on it. 23.12.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4802 23.12.25 # and i dont know what to do... 23.12.36 # then you're up for some fun 23.12.50 # 1) get a dev kit installed 2) learn to use it 3) learn patch 4) apply patches 23.13.25 Quit freqmod (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.13.37 # 0) learn to search the wiki :-) 23.13.55 # dan_a: having a look 23.14.07 # preglow: Thank you 23.14.10 # 0.5) search for forums for existing custom builds with the patches applied 23.14.21 # search the forums even 23.16.06 # ammmmmmmmm 23.16.10 # dev kit? 23.16.28 # ani-adom: search for it 23.16.51 # found a small optimisation if nothing else :> 23.16.53 # were? 23.17.10 # ni rockbox? 23.17.38 # preglow: That's likely - it's mostly a cut-and-paste job from the existing bootloader 23.17.50 Part n1s 23.19.15 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965B9A.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.19.37 # hmm, line 61 and on looks weird 23.20.02 # seems like it does r0 = dataend - 0x40000000 23.20.17 # and i think dataend is very much lower for the bootloader than 0x40000000 23.22.05 # also, line 57 23.22.11 # shouldn't constant be 0xff000000 ? 23.22.15 # dataend is in my bootloader.map as 4000e064 23.22.41 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 23.22.46 # yeah, here too, checked the map 23.23.46 Quit hcs ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 23.23.49 # I'd say you were right about line 57, but that is in the original loader (which works.) I'll try it with the mask changed, though 23.24.11 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 23.24.20 # it probably doesn't matter since the address probably is so low it'll work 23.24.43 # i could have sworn i used 0xff000000 when i first wrote the arm bootloader 23.25.32 # yeah, it's correct here, in crt0-pp.S 23.26.01 # in which case the optimisation i first talked about doesn't apply anymore :> 23.26.53 # It's correct in the non-bootloader part of crt0-pp, but it's 0xffffff00 in the bootloader section 23.27.58 # so i see 23.28.52 # But that's not the cause of the problem - with the mask changed it still doesn't work. 23.29.03 # hey guys, anyone have much experience debuggin with splashes? As in why do they sometimes work and sometimes not? 23.29.10 Quit ani-adom (":") 23.29.10 # ahh, right, now i remember, the whole thing is linked for IRAM 23.29.21 # in particular why I can't get splash to work in audio_stop of playback.c? 23.29.51 # jhMikeS, if you're watching am trying to test a possible fix to the corrupt playing variable on the gigabeat port, but want to use the splash to do it 23.31.07 # jba: won't tell you since I can't get "I got a bag full 'o crabs here" out of my here :D 23.32.05 # dan_a: hrm, i'm thinking line 72 might be pretty dangerous 23.32.05 # s/hear/head 23.32.18 # jba: what's up? 23.32.56 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 23.33.12 # preglow: Are you thinking if the COP hits that line before the CPU sets the startup location? 23.33.44 # Ignore that, I'm getting confused between start_loc and startup_loc 23.34.10 # dan_a: that line really turns into a pc relative load 23.34.27 # no, wait, wait, this has to work somehow 23.34.32 # or ipods would not be booting today 23.34.52 # yeah, it does work, forget me 23.37.23 # preglow: Yes, I've just checked in the decompile, and that turns to a jump into IRAM 23.37.36 Quit Ribs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.38.11 # Was the optimization you were talking about to do an RSL followed by the LSL by any chance? 23.38.20 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 23.38.25 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.38.41 # no, it was doing a bic r4, pc, #0xff 23.39.06 # which replaces lines 57-58 and saves eight bytes in total 23.39.11 # just nitpicking :> 23.39.37 # preglow: It's the only way I'll learn :D 23.40.08 # dan_a: if you changed the constant to 0xff000000 that can be changed to and r4, pc, #0xff000000 anyway 23.40.18 # like i do in crt0-pp.S 23.42.09 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.43.49 # but i can't see anything wrong 23.43.52 # exactly what happens? 23.44.24 Part Plouj ("oy!") 23.44.31 # It runs main(), and then reboots to the bootloader 23.45.04 # Hmmm, the change you suggested saved more than 4 bytes... 23.45.13 # it should save eight 23.46.20 # 256, according to "ls -l bootloader/bootloader.bin" 23.46.55 # what? changed to a single instrudction and saved 256 bytes? 23.47.28 # changing 23.47.44 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 23.47.52 # Yes. I'll undo it and see if it changes back. 23.48.40 # probably hit some alignment or something, then 23.49.18 Join Mercutio [0] (n=oem@cpe-76-187-154-106.tx.res.rr.com) 23.49.28 Join _MMA_ [0] (n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com) 23.49.39 # Hello everyone, have a challenge question for anyone 23.50.05 # anyone looked at the zune much? 23.50.49 # preglow: It must be an alignment thing 23.51.46 # hmm 23.51.53 # there might be a race condition in here 23.52.18 # ? 23.52.31 # the main cpu, after loading the firmware image, wakes the cop then immediately jumps to crt0 23.52.55 # the first thing the cop does after waking is starting to flush its cache, which means it'll be staying and executing in iram for a little while yet 23.53.10 # this depends on crt0 on the cpu not clearing the iram too fast 23.53.21 # if it does clear the iram at all, hmm, lemme check 23.53.31 # well guess that tells me what I need to know for now 23.53.34 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 23.54.02 # would donating a zune to rockbox help garner some interest? 23.54.07 # it doesn't, then ok 23.54.14 # Mercutio: I don't think anyone in here has a Zune. Nobody's mentioned it, anyway. 23.54.20 Part hcs 23.54.44 # Mercutio: if you find any dev who feels like getting a Zune would kickstart their effort on it - I doubt you'll do that 23.54.53 # I reccomend looking at it, some interesting possibilities if unlocked with linux 23.55.04 # rockbox is not linux... 23.55.22 # ok but you are about replacing the firmware yes? 23.55.22 # we only wish it was! 23.55.52 # yes 23.56.24 # so unlocking the potential of the zune starts with replacing the firmware MS has put in there 23.56.33 # or am I all wrong? 23.56.37 # no 23.56.41 # preglow: I guess I could try to wait for the COP to finish invalidating its cache before jumping into crt0 23.56.43 # that sounds right 23.56.46 # but i don't know what the hardware doc status is for the zune 23.56.56 # Mercutio: but replacing the firmware/OS of a player is a major effort 23.56.58 # you mean specs I assume? 23.57.02 # Mercutio: yes 23.57.11 # yes but I think it would be worth it after looking at a zune 23.57.12 # dan_a: doubt it'll matter 23.57.29 # mostly for the wiFi 23.57.43 # Mercutio: You might want to talk to the people trying to get Rockbox on the Gigabeat - I believe the hardware is somewhat similar. 23.58.09 # the zune uses a freescale i.mx iirc 23.58.10 # thats what I have been seeing in my researching on the zune 23.58.24 # I admit most of this is over my head 23.58.38 # just looking for the help from those who know what they are doing