--- Log for 29.11.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.12 # a step-by-step guide and out comes a Rockbox port in the end :-) 00.00.13 # I'm going to learn as much as I can and I will buy a zune for someone who knows they can do this 00.00.19 # cool 00.00.27 # its a start in the right direction 00.01.36 # thank yall for your help, and I'll check back with yall if anything starts to happen, if you care to know about it 00.01.55 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.02.29 Quit Mercutio ("Leaving") 00.03.34 # anyone think reverse stereo is something worth stuffing into rockbox? 00.04.33 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 00.05.12 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.05.23 # I seem to keep putting my headphones on backwards all the time so sure. I'm too lazy to turn them around. :) 00.05.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.06.05 # i don't think i would even notice if the channels were reversed. 00.13.23 Part _MMA_ 00.13.58 # jhMikeS, bag full of crabs? 00.14.02 # anyway, sorry got held up at work 00.14.25 # something worth stuffing into rockbox is rotwating the display orientation\ 00.15.48 # that's not a small thing 00.15.53 # it'd be major 00.16.06 # hehe 00.16.21 # but way cool for displays which are longer than they are wider 00.16.30 # yeah 00.16.54 # would be easier to build two different Rockbox builds and switch between them ;-) 00.16.59 # like say, the gigabeat 00.16.59 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 00.17.06 # or the Sansa! 00.17.22 # jba: Weebls stuff? 00.17.34 # aah you're still on that 00.17.39 # i appologise for posting the link here then 00.17.48 # jba: It won't go away ;) 00.17.52 Quit ender` (" Some people have one of those days. I've had one of those lives.") 00.17.53 # jhMikeS, what I was asking before was some novel way of testing the value of paying in audio_stop (playback.c) other than drawing a line on the screen 00.18.09 # I tried gui_synchsplash but it doesn't display anything when called from within playback.c 00.18.19 # weebls is funny though 00.19.02 # jba: lcd_puts? don't know why it wouldn't work from playback.c. they're used there. 00.19.25 # neither does lcd_puts (which is why i tried splashes) 00.19.40 # so on a normal working port, lcd_puts should work anywhere, regardless of mode? 00.20.07 # unless it's getting overwritten real quick so you can't see it 00.20.10 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 00.20.37 # that's what i thought about lcd_puts, which is why i chose splash, they're modal aren't they? 00.21.46 # jba: but it yields and other threads can overwrite. i'd do a splash with a timeout of 0 and then just do a million loops or something to freeze things 00.22.01 # thanks for the suggestion wil ltry it 00.22.02 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 00.22.12 # so timeout 0, is indefinite splash? 00.22.28 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.22.46 # jba: no, it returns immediately but perform no yielding 00.23.18 # so it won't get wiped 00.23.22 # right 00.23.23 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.23.31 # okay thanksmate will test that one 00.23.49 # someone should add a debug_splash to the splash.c implementation that does that 00.23.57 # like me maybe 00.24.22 # just have to do a loop, no yield checking ticks I suppose 00.25.45 # a loop with continue, won't get optimisedd out? 00.26.56 # just a for loop incrementing a variable will stay or whatever 00.27.42 # tah 00.29.05 # preglow: Waiting for the cache invalidation to finish doesn't help (but on the plus side, it did teach me how to put data in IRAM from assembler) 00.29.29 Join jborn_ [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.35.30 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f46d81c31c29918) 00.36.34 # weird 00.36.41 # eh, no, not weird :> 00.36.44 # i didn't expect it to work 00.38.00 # i need to sleep, later 00.38.03 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.38.11 # Thanks for your help 00.40.17 # Bagder: we can now do a full screen update at 272fps on the gigabeat 00.40.34 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 00.40.47 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.41.18 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.43.13 # jba: Changing the splash to wait for a certain time will severely change the timing, not very useful for debugging imho 00.44.04 # If I had a gigabeat, I would try to make use of the special display properties to resemble the logf display rockbox does on the targets with remote lcd 00.44.14 # amiconn, i just need some feedback mechanism, anything 00.44.22 # can you suggest something different? 00.44.28 # The display is huge, so you could split it in 2 sub-displays 00.44.57 # Just tell rockbox the main lcd is smaller than it actually is, and put debug output in the free space with a secondary driver 00.44.58 # i don't get what your driving at? 00.45.04 # aah 00.45.06 # i see 00.45.19 # well i guess i could do that, but that means I need to spend time writing a new lcd driver :( 00.45.29 # but you know that is the best way to debug though, you're right 00.45.46 # This isn't really difficult, but unfortzunately quite some work atm 00.46.37 # * amiconn wishes he would have had some time to work on viewports 00.48.58 # I still wonder why the variable only misbehaves on the gigabeat though 00.49.10 # thhat's what i'm trying to find out 00.49.24 # it seems any call to audio_stop hangs it, not just talk_init 00.50.01 # This is during init, correct? 00.52.07 Part pixelma 00.52.23 # no we put an if around it that stop it dufing init 00.52.33 # any call to audio_get_buffer fails 00.53.07 # I would at first try to put splashes that show the value of that variable at different points of the init 00.53.09 # I think a quick and dirty look at which stage in init, after audio_preinit it get changed, would be enough to track it down or narrow the search alot imho. My first suspect isn't playback.c...could be wrong...but it doesn't seem likely. 00.53.30 # I mean in the main thread which actually calls the various inits 00.53.34 # yes 00.54.11 # Usually only the main thread draws to the lcd, so if you splash from there, with a delay, it won't get overwritten 00.54.48 # You can use lcd functions from other threads, but you must be very careful what you're doing there 00.55.54 # One thing is that the main thread may immediately overwrite what the other thread just put on the display, another thing is that the main thread assumes no one else changes status values like colour, draw mode etc 00.56.47 Quit lee-qid (Connection timed out) 00.57.04 # having logf on a remote is a very nice thing indeed 00.57.12 # Just avoid one thing: never use lcd functions from ISRs unless you're really sure what you're doing 00.57.13 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.57.39 # jhMikeS: Actually I almost never even use logf, let alone logf on the remote 00.58.13 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.58.17 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 00.58.39 # I did all my Ondio MMC driver development using the debug menu and splashes. Back then there was no logf(), and debug builds like on the other Archoses aren't possible on the Ondio. 00.59.02 # well, it just got me right to the fix for FS#6389 which turned out to be my fault :( 00.59.03 # At least not when trying to access the MMC, which is obviously an essential point when writing an MMC driver ;) 01.00.49 Quit t4t3r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.01.29 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 01.04.50 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.06.08 Join TonySt [0] (n=rollinth@unaffiliated/wptony) 01.06.10 # hello. 01.11.05 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.12.23 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@160.228.157.232) 01.12.24 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82-46-100-113.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 01.19.24 Quit rconan ("Leaving") 01.21.02 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.21.02 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.22.05 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.40 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7AD8.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.27.22 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.27.24 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 01.27.30 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p549870B1.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.28.15 Part TonySt 01.31.24 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 01.35.04 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.36.54 Quit funky ("leaving") 01.39.52 Quit obo ("bye") 01.48.11 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.48.29 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.49.07 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 01.49.15 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.00.29 Join xipietotec [0] (n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-240-236.dc.res.rr.com) 02.00.47 # any chance the rockbox team is going to tackle the zune or gremlin? 02.05.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.09.57 Quit Caliban (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.10.21 Join Caliban [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 02.20.58 Quit xipietotec (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.25.58 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD3CC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.26.44 Quit bbroke (Remote closed the connection) 02.27.08 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 02.27.18 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 02.27.20 Quit daurn|laptop (Connection reset by peer) 02.27.53 Quit funky (Client Quit) 02.32.17 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 02.33.59 Join mikeo [0] (n=mike@ws051152.housing-tp.siu.edu) 02.34.11 # wow this channel really grew from the archos days 02.37.45 # no kidding 02.37.49 # who are all thse people? 02.38.42 # ze: one would assume we are rockbox developers, users, fanboys and $others 02.39.13 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-79-223-98.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 02.39.37 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 02.39.39 # tyrion: or various combinations of the above and/or ex-above 02.40.47 # ze: well no, if your a devoleper your not allowed be a user, end of 02.41.12 # well i'm an ex-pseudo-developer, ex-user, fanboy, and probably $other 02.42.00 # and, although this is admittedly IRC, there could also potentially maybe be fangirls 02.42.03 # :p 02.43.07 # ze: girls? on IRC? hahaha 02.43.11 # yeah i know 02.43.18 # i've seen it happen before, though 02.43.19 Quit Ribs2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.43.27 # and if they say they're girls... watch out 02.43.49 # its probabbly a naked 40year old guy 02.44.05 # well you know what they say 02.44.15 # IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the 14yo girls are FBI agents 02.44.25 # :) yes 02.45.41 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 02.45.51 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.46.17 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 02.48.10 # ze: mind you, this is what i though of when you said "You know what thy say" http://url.ie/2hl 02.50.35 # host not found 02.50.39 # not in X anyway so no swf 02.50.46 # i'll try later i guess 02.50.47 # heh 02.51.01 # ze: http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html 02.51.11 # first toon, ONCE YOU GO BLACK 02.54.54 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.57.00 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 02.57.07 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.06.54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.07.31 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF754B.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.11.30 Join Kittt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.94.91.182.cable.012.net.il) 03.16.59 Join webguest91 [0] (i=180e24f7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7b1ea58d19808a6e) 03.18.40 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.18.41 # can anybody help me install 5g video ipod 03.20.53 Quit webguest91 (Client Quit) 03.22.34 Quit mikeo () 03.31.05 Quit Ribs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.35.07 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.35.32 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 03.41.06 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.41.10 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 03.42.53 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=spader@adsl-153-233-136.mia.bellsouth.net) 03.43.00 # hey! 03.43.28 Quit jaebird ("Leaving") 03.51.00 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 03.52.08 Part Terinjokes 03.52.48 # Whould you all call Rockbox a "new project"? 03.53.00 # Is it "based on linux"? 03.53.44 # http://www.computeractive.co.uk/personal-computer-world/features/2168802/hands-rockbox-ipod 03.53.51 # Bizarre 03.55.05 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 03.55.13 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 03.57.31 Join Pajama-B [0] (n=tbrn@12-216-161-27.client.mchsi.com) 03.58.25 # Hi 04.01.06 Quit NickDe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.01.35 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 04.01.44 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.02.07 Join ubuntuking [0] (n=king@ip70-191-113-4.cl.ri.cox.net) 04.04.46 # http://cgi.ebay.com/Charger-AC-Power-adapter-FOR-iRiver-iGP-100-H-120-H-140_W0QQitemZ130043098592QQihZ003QQcategoryZ86541QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem 04.04.47 # hey 04.04.56 # you think this is leget? 04.05.24 # dunno 04.05.33 # Got my new iriver today but they sent me the wrong charger... 04.05.41 # do you have a multimeter? 04.05.56 # you have to be SUPER careful with the H1x0 units 04.05.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.05.59 # nope 04.06.00 # yeah i know 04.06.17 # What's wrong with the charger they sent? 04.06.17 # it just won't fit in a us wall socket that's all 04.06.27 # European or something 04.06.29 # Just buy a converter 04.06.30 # no biggee, get an adapet for 4# 04.06.34 # $3 04.06.43 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 04.06.49 # It's the same charger - takes 110-240v 04.07.00 # yeah, what rasher said 04.07.07 # Just a different socket 04.07.11 # :-) 04.07.36 # I went to radio shack which is the only store we have around here that would sell that kind of thing, and it was loose, wasn't making contact 04.07.37 # gotta go 04.07.44 # so don't think it was the right one 04.08.52 # you don't need a new charger... good luck. 04.08.57 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 04.09.23 # The easiest solution is to find the right adapter 04.09.26 # And safest 04.09.29 # And cheapest 04.09.34 # yeah 04.10.05 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 04.14.10 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.14.15 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 04.16.12 Quit ubuntuking ("This computer has gone to sleep") 04.18.50 Join ubuntuking [0] (n=king@ip70-191-113-4.cl.ri.cox.net) 04.24.41 Join sekondchakra [0] (n=stan@66-214-128-18.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com) 04.25.20 # I've read about a battery-life plugin--but for the life of me cannot find where to download it...! 04.26.10 # (it writes something to a log every disc access or something.. 04.26.36 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime 04.30.30 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.33.48 Quit sekondchakra ("Leaving") 04.33.49 Nick JoeBorn is now known as JBonBike (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 04.34.54 Quit jborn_ ("homeward!") 04.40.35 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 05.00.13 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.01.08 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 05.02.27 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 05.03.01 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.04.59 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 05.05.31 Quit dau (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.08.44 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.09.58 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.29.03 Quit ubuntuking ("Leaving") 05.32.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.32.20 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF779B.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.36.45 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.37.03 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 05.42.28 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-24-80.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 05.58.26 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.58.26 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 06.05.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.16.34 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 06.19.05 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.23.00 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 06.23.02 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.27.00 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.50.05 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 06.50.06 Quit daurn|laptop (Connection reset by peer) 06.51.16 Join wilberfan [0] (n=wilberfa@66-214-128-18.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com) 06.51.54 # GAK! I'm about ready to strangle something.... How the frick do you get a bookmark to work?! 06.52.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 06.53.19 # Dude....that's where I started~! 06.53.39 # then what is the issue you are having? 06.54.18 # I've got everything set... "Bookmark on Stop" = yes (or ask)... But I'm never prompted for anything....and nothing ever gets saved...! 06.54.19 # SoapIsOutOfTown: there? 06.54.30 # what does "Stop" mean, exactly...?! 06.54.39 # when you stop the playback 06.54.45 # HOW exactly.... 06.54.59 # what device do you have? 06.55.02 # >|| is "pause" technically, isn't it?? 06.55.07 # ipod mini 1g 06.55.07 # it is 06.55.18 # hold play/pause 06.55.23 # for 2 seconds 06.55.25 # or so 06.55.34 # but not long enough to cause a shutdown 06.55.43 # Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........ 06.56.03 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 06.56.21 # Man...that's a tricky piece of timing....! 06.56.46 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 06.57.11 # not really 06.57.21 # I haven't managed it yet! 06.57.21 # as soon as the WPS goes away, you can release 06.57.32 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 06.57.46 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.58.04 # OK...it goes back to the tagcache listing that I started it from....but still no bookmark prompt.... 06.58.50 # I DO see a little black square (which must indicated "stopped")...but why no prompt?? 06.59.59 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 07.01.40 # {sigh} man, this sucker just AIN'T ready for Prime Time, is it...?! 07.02.17 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.03.29 # well, thanks for the "stop" explanation, anyway... 07.03.33 Part wilberfan 07.04.46 Join wilberfan [0] (n=wilberfa@66-214-128-18.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com) 07.04.57 # Okay...it's NOT just me: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5764.0 07.07.42 Part wilberfan 07.16.41 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 07.17.38 Quit JoeBorn (Remote closed the connection) 07.18.02 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 07.18.52 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! 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Creating the MI4 file overwrites the data from 0xe0-0xeb. I've been burned by this a few times, so I'll see if there's anything I can do to get the linker to die if it's putting anything at those addresses. 09.03.11 # dan_a: or just write a tiny tool that checks that after link and shows a huge warning banner it so 09.03.16 # if so 09.04.46 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.04.59 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17C3D.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.05.04 # Bagder: I'll see what I can come up with. Please pass on my thanks to MrH for finding that :) 09.05.24 # something tells me he'll read you saying it here ;-) 09.06.33 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 09.09.58 # hi petur 09.10.25 # yo 09.10.51 # * petur looks up webguest99 in his contacts book 09.11.20 # petur: could you please have a look at FS#6394 and FS#6387 and (if you like them) commit? 09.11.51 # ah it's you ;) 09.11.58 # oh, i get the ipod today \o/ 09.12.05 # I'm a KGB agent, I'm not allowed to disclose my identity:-) 09.12.36 # watch out for radioactive poison then.... 09.13.40 # petur: that's not funny at all! 09.13.50 # :p 09.14.03 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 09.14.09 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.14.12 # I'll make a note of the patches and see if I find some time tonight 09.14.39 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.15.06 # petur: ok 09.16.05 # webguest99: would it not be better to just change it in all the lang files iso this DEPRECATED stuff? After all, we're just renaming the ID... 09.16.34 # * petur wonders what the rules are for DEPRECATED 09.17.07 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 09.17.13 # renaming IDs will break older lang files 09.17.53 # not if you change them all. but it will probably break voice files 09.17.57 # no? 09.18.25 # ehm, yeah 09.19.00 # pruning would be a nice code/ram saver if there's more of those in there 09.19.25 # maybe together with string sharing (jhMikeS also found some idnticals) 09.19.36 # yes, and then we should bump the lang file number 09.19.44 # just to be nice 09.20.11 # and apologise to our blind users 09.20.32 # or offer fresh voice files 09.20.59 # playing all these games on my Gigabeat distracts me from working on audio playback :) 09.21.35 # haha 09.21.35 # * petur is still considering getting a gigabeat for his father... really looks nice 'n powerfull 09.22.08 # Bagder: some gameboy color roms now 09.22.23 # wooo 09.22.36 # * petur whispers audio audio audio ... 09.23.09 # are there serious problems for audio like missing datasheets or connections? 09.23.09 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.23.15 # no 09.23.22 # goodie 09.23.31 # just doing the work eh? ;) 09.24.05 # petur: What will probably save most is going through all .lang files and use the power of langv2 to eliminate (empty or remove, depending on the kind of string) unused strings per target 09.24.06 # petur: I'm a little man, not brave enough to propose such radical things as global ID renaming 09.24.32 Join p3tur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3443109b70895c8d) 09.24.32 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.24.47 # peur: but it would be good, yes 09.25.17 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (i=d4efd6a6@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.25.17 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 09.25.36 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.25.58 # got the ipod \o/ 09.26.12 # A 5.5g? 09.26.21 # yes, 30GB :) 09.26.25 # now you can try to brick that one too 09.26.33 # Bagder: Could you add a few small features to genlang (if they're not yet there)? 09.26.34 # now opening the package and patching rockbox ;) 09.26.36 # Have fun with the 2048 byte sectors... 09.26.38 # hehe 09.26.43 # i will :) 09.27.00 # Are you planning on trying to fix that patch? 09.27.02 # * scorche wonders why not the 80 gig 09.27.04 # ;) 09.27.06 # of course 09.27.09 # :) 09.27.16 # scorche: He's just lazy... 09.27.23 # of course... 09.28.16 # Slasheri: Are you going to try to go for run-time detection of sector size, or add a new build? 09.28.23 # oof...i just realized that i was resting my foot *right* next to the switch for my power strip...i think i need to move that 09.28.48 # linuxstb: run-time detection 09.30.47 # Is this ipod your only working Rockbox device now? 09.30.53 # and also fixing the scheduler to run UI on separate core 09.31.07 # yes, until i get it working :) 09.31.45 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.32.03 # Just don't try flashing a new bootloader... 09.32.11 # rofl 09.32.12 # Slasheri: the mailman woke me up at 7 with an express package :-) 09.32.38 # * linuxstb would love Rockbox in flash on the ipods though... 09.32.49 # LinusN: oh, "nice" ;) 09.32.57 # you got it :) 09.33.37 # yup. will solder the bdm connector in a few minutes 09.33.50 # thanks, but no hurry :) 09.36.39 # linuxstb: Where did you get up to with RoLo on the iPods? Did all the work you did get committed? 09.37.55 # hmm, that ipod seems to be really nice. need to start compiling rockbox now :) 09.38.31 # what? it's not running yet? 09.38.34 # :p 09.38.57 Quit ScoTTie_ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.41.03 # it's soon :) 09.42.32 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 09.42.54 # dan_a: Yes, I think it's all committed. My local tree is just failed experiments to get it working reliably. 09.43.52 # If I can figure out cache flushing on the PP5002, I'll see what I can do, probably this evening 09.44.46 # Were you trying to load OF with it, too? If so, are there instructions for making the image anywhere? 09.44.56 # dan_a: In fact, I think I do have an uncomitted patch - it adds support for booting ".bin" images (e.g. the IPL kernel and RetailOS). Not sure if it will still apply cleanly, but it's here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rolo.diff 09.45.09 # linuxstb: should i run tools/configure and select the ipod video? 09.45.12 # linuxstb: Thanks! 09.45.23 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 09.45.32 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.45.41 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.46.43 # Slasheri: I guess so... 09.47.06 # hehe 09.47.46 # and after make i have no idea what to do next ;) will search the wiki.. 09.48.03 # dan_a: I would expect that loading the original firmware fails because of the COP - my patch doesn't attempt to leave it in the right state (whatever that state should be...). 09.48.45 # Slasheri: You'll need the patched versions of ipod_fw.c and (if you're on Windows) ipodpatcher.exe 09.49.20 # linuxstb: That's one of the things I'll be playing with - but it might have some data in its cache, hence the need for a cache invalidate function 09.49.27 # i am on linux.. hmm, do i need to compiler a patched version of the bootloader also? 09.49.31 # -r 09.49.35 # Ah, yes. 09.50.14 # ok, almost done :) 09.50.18 # As you probably know, the ipod bootloader is just written to the disk, so it's easy to recover from bad bootloaders. 09.51.36 # dan_a: Loading the original firmware with Rolo will be a useful feature, given our bootloader's stubbornness in detecting key presses. 09.52.18 Part webguest99 10.01.16 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.01.17 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 10.02.47 # hehe, now writing the bootloader image to the ipod disk :) 10.02.58 Quit dan_a () 10.05.36 # oh, rockbox works great :) 10.05.46 # or booted at least 10.06.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.09.11 # Slasheri: ok, the bdm connector is mounted 10.09.30 # will try to connect this evening 10.10.44 # Ah, best news in a long time 10.10.52 # LinusN: great :) 10.11.17 # Slasheri: if you need anyone to test 80gb 5.5g code just let me know;P 10.11.40 # thegeek: hehe :) 10.13.16 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3134.gwdg.de) 10.18.34 # hmm, just wondering how can i shutdown rockbox or reboot it cleanly on ipod 10.20.09 # i think it is holding the play button 10.20.35 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 10.20.53 # ah, thanks. that did it 10.21.27 # Yes, long press on PLAY. Other important key combinations - holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds is a hardware reset, and holding SELECT+PLAY whilst booting takes you to the Apple emergency USB mode. 10.21.52 Quit bawb2 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.23.56 # well, that 5.5G is definately usable. Almost everything seems to work quite well, except the playlist which i will debug soon 10.25.24 Quit petur ("*gone in 0 seconds*") 10.26.12 # even tagcache committed, so filesystem driver should be quite good 10.26.28 # and tagcache puts extreme stress on the filesystem code 10.26.41 # i'm really curious why apple would want larger sector sizes 10.27.44 # Slasheri: myzar will soon be your biggest fan :-) 10.27.51 # :D 10.28.06 # LinusN: to reduce the number of sectors needed when going 80GB? maybe they have a lack of bits! ;-P 10.28.19 # * Bagder starts bitsforsale.com 10.28.29 # Slasheri: be sure to have your anti-myzar-lick spray on hand 10.29.10 # seriously, can anyone think of a good explanation for the sector size? 10.29.27 # nice, i can even skip tracks when ipod is in my pocked under the protective coat.. works even better than with h140. Just need to find the right "spot" to click on 10.31.16 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.31.22 # interesting.. clickwheel works too under that coat 10.32.03 Join bluebrother [0] (i=eCk8Tug8@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.32.44 # I've noticed too 10.33.02 # however I think it's cheap of apple not to include a proper "case" 10.33.22 # they could atleast have made some transparent cutouts for the bag/case that is included 10.33.43 # yeh 10.34.24 # the back of the ipod scratches so easily it's ridiculous 10.36.49 Join ze__ [0] (i=ze@70.40.152.105) 10.38.37 # i'm looking at the 2048-byte sector patch 10.38.55 # is it http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6169 ? 10.39.13 Join zzap [0] (i=zzap@204.8.220.119) 10.39.20 # i wonder why the sector size is coded in the config files 10.39.46 # why not let the FAT driver adapt to the sector size in the BPB? 10.40.29 # i mean it even reads and checks the sector size field in the BPB 10.40.42 # i'm confused 10.44.13 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.44.29 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.44.29 # Slasheri: When you add runtime sector size detection, please make it selectable via #define 10.44.30 Nick ze__ is now known as ze (i=ze@70.40.152.105) 10.45.01 # We don't need that code on other targets than the video 10.45.03 # amiconn: ah - there's a reason to not have runtime detection 10.45.13 # LinusN: why? 10.45.25 # code size 10.45.32 # [10:44:29] Slasheri: When you add runtime sector size detection, please make it selectable via #define 10.45.38 # like you just pointed out 10.45.56 # It just another one, like we don't build fat16 support for other devices than ondio 10.45.59 # BPB? 10.46.50 Join bytie [0] (n=anonym@lbck-4db22f86.pool.einsundeins.de) 10.47.33 # ...and having a simple #define allows to change this easily, e.g. when it turns out that smaller sansas might come as fat16 factory formatted 10.48.15 # yep 10.48.32 # my objection was rather that the sector sizes were hardcoded in the patch 10.49.08 # i still don't understand why they would want 2048-byte sectors 10.49.22 # smaller FAT? 10.50.12 # I have no idea 10.50.18 # Maybe faster transfers over USB? But I would have thought that USB drivers would avoid small transfers anyway and perform some caching. 10.50.50 # linuxstb_: Afaik the largest possible usb packets are smaller than a disk sector 10.51.09 # in my experience my 80gb 5.5g is a lot slower than my h120 10.51.10 # That's definitely the case for usb1.1, not sure about 2.0 here 10.51.16 # a _lot_ slower 10.51.47 # i wonder why they make the iPod say "I'm 2048 sectors in hardware" over USB, but really use a 512 byte/sector drive 10.53.04 # Kasperle: really odd 10.53.33 # i wonder if the reason is technical or political 10.53.35 # because that must've caused _their_ developers some headaches, too 10.54.34 # "and the winner of our internal Apple competition: most confusing new thing with the 5.5 series, is the file system team who came up with this great idea and they get a free ipod to share as a bonus" 10.54.54 # genuine quote, I promise 10.54.59 # :-) 10.55.01 # :P 10.55.08 # "obfuscator of the month" 10.55.30 # I wonder even more what's up with the 80GB model... 10.55.47 # huh, is it even more different? 10.58.33 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.59.07 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 10.59.47 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host107-204.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 11.00.01 # the ipodlinux wiki says something is different with the controller 11.00.18 # Given that the ATA controller is inside the PP5021, I'm not sure why they think that. 11.01.08 # indeed 11.01.12 # http://ipodlinux.org/5.5g 11.01.23 # "The Loader doesn't work on the 80GB. It seems to have a modified disk controller." 11.01.33 # "it seems..";P 11.01.44 # perhaps they don't really know either 11.01.47 # My guess would be that it needs a different initialisation sequence - so someone needs to dig into an 80GB's bootloader. 11.02.00 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 11.02.06 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.03.33 # perhaps the 80gb drive has 2048 byte sectors in hardware? 11.04.02 # Would that cause ata_init() to fail? 11.04.16 # not sure 11.05.30 # Kasperle, BPB is the Bios Parameter Block. It's part of the FAT filesystem. 11.06.30 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.38.168) 11.12.01 Quit Lynx_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 11.12.17 # Slasheri: are you unable to run the OF on the ipod? 11.13.22 # linuxstb_: The flash code on the ipods isn't encrypted, correct? 11.14.21 # Someone should try to dump the 80/G5.5 rom somehow, and then compare it to the G5 rom 11.17.20 # Slasheri: you pimped your ipod all by yourself - and saved ¤25 :-) 11.17.49 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 11.17.49 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.18.23 # i think mr daurn|laptop really needs to check his connection 11.18.48 # quite annoying with all these disconnects/reconnects 11.20.00 Part daurn|laptop ("meanie") 11.26.29 # is it only the 80gb that reports 2048-byte sectors on the USB level? 11.26.37 # No 11.26.38 # amiconn: The copy on disk (in the firmware partition) is encrypted, but the copy in flash is not. 11.26.46 Quit bytie ("Dana") 11.27.02 # linuxstb_: That's why I said flash, not disk 11.27.18 # Of course it will be tricky to dump the flash if ata isn't working 11.27.33 # LinusN: hehe, haven't tried loading the OF yet :) 11.27.44 # Audio playback is probably working.... 11.27.59 # * amiconn wonders what would happen if someone connects a 30GB disk from a 30/G5.5 to an 80/G5.5 11.28.23 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 11.28.44 # at least ipod does the click of death when connecting usb using rockbox.. i will fix that first 11.29.08 # Implementing a clean shutdown on USB would be nice... 11.29.10 # Maybe the rom is the same and just does things different depending on what disk is connected? 11.30.12 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.30.21 # or like someone mentioned, the 80GB disk just supports different ata level 11.31.19 # could be lba48 11.32.12 # ata is backwards compatible afaik 11.32.24 # lba48 must be explicitly enabled 11.32.34 # i saw somewhere a mention that any level below ata-3 was not supported 11.32.40 # but not sure about that 11.33.33 # might be very possible with custom hardware designs 11.35.01 # Haven't people connected the 80GB Toshiba drive to H140s successfully with Rockbox? Or have Apple got a custom drive? 11.37.27 Join bytie [0] (n=anonym@lbck-4db22f86.pool.einsundeins.de) 11.38.44 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.39.02 # I believe someone mention the Apple one wasn't labelled MK8007GAH, but I'm not certain my memory is trustworthy at the moment. 11.40.17 # welcome back to IRC =) 11.41.05 # I am officially declaring my resignation from trying to finish the story on time. 11.41.27 # I could rush it, and finish it, and it would suck, or I can take my time and have it done sometime around January, and at least it'll be something I'm proud of. 11.41.33 # So I'm back. 11.41.39 # gotcha 11.41.47 # i still havent seen any bit of it =P 11.42.00 # I know. :-P 11.42.13 # I'll make it available at some point though. 11.42.27 # So, is the Pimp My Ipod thing any progressed from the most recent post, or is it just waiting now? 11.42.28 # alright...i will be waiting =) 11.42.39 # i just posted that 11.42.41 # so, no 11.42.46 # Gotcha 11.44.30 # c++ - hah 11.45.07 # to the untrained eye maybe ;) 11.45.40 # I wonder how he responds to people with freezing issues on 4G, or any of our other thrilling 'issues'. 11.46.04 # most likely ignores them 11.46.05 # maybe he has a build with frequency switching disabled 11.46.08 # Heh 11.46.24 # but then his "customers" may get annoyed by the short runtime 11.47.20 # then again, he only offers it for video, nano, and mini 11.47.25 # Ah. 11.47.31 # But, both Gs on Mini? 11.47.41 # but mini 1g should be the same as 4g 11.47.56 # from the looks of it, yeah 11.48.10 # Heh 11.48.12 # i was wondering also how he can give it to them without documentation 11.48.28 # although, he might just edit the pdf 11.48.37 # Very possible. 11.48.40 # or html 11.48.42 # Or talks them through it, or something. 11.49.55 # or just tell "his" firmware is too good so no need for any documentation ;-) 11.50.16 # Clearly it's so intuitive anyone should be able to use it. :) 11.50.25 # hehe 11.50.28 # but I would be interested to see what kind of docs he provides and if (and how) he changed the manual 11.51.04 # well, we will have to see how he responds to my mail 11.51.30 # what did you wrote? 11.52.03 # or, is this thing available in full somewhere? 11.53.22 # i just wrote a mail telling him what he did wrong, what infringements, we are aware, etc 11.54.09 Join xipietotec [0] (n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net) 11.54.11 # if you want the mail, i can always pastebin it =P 11.54.26 # maybe later, thanks 11.54.45 # I just was wondering if you / someone already started documenting it 11.54.53 # ....cnet reviewers suck...they downgrade any PVP/MP3 player that doesn't support Microsoft's DRM'd crap. 11.55.20 # i have...being that i am contacting him, there is no excuse if i wasnt 11.55.27 # scorche: i'd like to see your response 11.56.41 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.56.57 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 12.00.08 # Are the dev's working on hacking the wifi enabled PMP's? 12.01.02 # imo wifi is pretty stupid on a portable media device 12.01.11 # it just uses too much (precious) battery 12.01.13 # LinusN: watch for a flood in a private dialog...pastebin.ca is acting up 12.01.21 # rafb.net 12.01.36 # i would, but those expire in 24 hours 12.01.52 # for this type of thing, it is better if i limit it to about 10 min ;) 12.01.59 # ah :D 12.02.24 # which afaik, pastebin.ca is the only pastebin that will expire them that soon 12.04.10 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 12.04.34 # too bad, in this case I would have read that too 12.04.44 # i can flood you too of course =) 12.04.53 # hehe 12.04.56 # xipietotec: Which version of MS's DRM... ? 12.05.03 # nice, wikipedia has a nice list of pastebins 12.05.16 # * linuxstb__ wonders if the Pimping guys remove .rockbox/docs/COPYING.txt 12.05.34 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 12.05.36 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 12.05.43 # btw, how about having our own pastebin on the rockbox site? 12.06.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.06.57 # You mean hosting a pastebin script? 12.07.08 # yes 12.07.09 # actually, i was planning on hosting my own when i get my site up...which should be soon-ish 12.07.13 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 12.07.45 # scorche, found one here: http://www.donotpaste.com/ 12.08.07 # alright 12.08.25 # wikipedia can be a great tool 12.09.11 # http://www.donotpaste.com/438 12.09.19 # you have 5 minutes 12.09.32 # and unfortunately, it didnt have word wrap 12.09.36 # * bluebrother runs 12.09.51 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.10.03 Join Caliban_ [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 12.10.52 # i havent written many of those, but i made sure that someone (bagder) cleared it before i sent it 12.11.39 Join bytie_new [0] (n=anonym@lbck-4db22f86.pool.einsundeins.de) 12.13.34 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 12.13.52 # linuxstb: Any, essentially if the Media player/mp3 player doesn't support DRM'd (or only supports one form of DRM'd) crap, Cnet reviewers downgrade it. 12.13.56 # * bluebrother awaits impatiently what's happening next in this issue 12.14.07 # hehe 12.14.15 # nice mail anyway 12.14.25 # * scorche sits beside bluebrother as well 12.14.35 # it gets the job done 12.14.38 # ...hopefully 12.15.23 # except the miserable Zune only has it's DRM9 incompatibility mentioned once....the device got an 8.0 rating. 12.15.31 # o_0 12.15.46 # their editor's snort crack. 12.16.14 # does that even work? ;) 12.16.41 # i could imagine the stones to hurt going through the nose 12.17.05 Quit Caliban (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.19.31 Quit bytie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.20.19 # I'm also pissed that companies are still somehow able to charge an arm and a leg for hobbled glorified HD's with a screen....they cost allmost as much as a cheap laptop, and more than the nintendo Wii 12.20.49 # I'm hoping someone works on a "How to" to building your own video and wifi enabled PMP. 12.21.12 # you'll find it'll be more expensive to build your own 12.21.46 # Consoles are either sold at a loss or very low profit 12.21.57 # they make money back on games and licences 12.22.38 # iPod's probably have a decent enough profit margin 12.22.54 # The Wii is solid at a profit, though not much. 12.23.05 # The Wii is also significantly bigger than an iPod, or even an Archos JBR. 12.23.10 # still, manufactorers get their parts a lot cheaper than a mere mortal can 12.23.15 # Yup 12.23.24 # LCDs being a prime example 12.23.30 # Bagder: Maybe, but the advantage might be infinite upgrade path. FLOSSpod. 12.23.33 # they're dead expensive when you try to buy a single one 12.23.38 # Hehehe 12.23.50 # Rockbox doesn't need LCDs though. :-P 12.23.56 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@156.80-202-167.nextgentel.com) 12.24.20 # not to mention when you get to be the only one doing the port effort and will be the only one that would appreciate it (one possibility) 12.24.27 # Hehehe 12.25.07 # and it would probably be a trunk, so devs wouldnt have to worry with your device as well 12.26.05 # but you never know 12.26.10 # * scorche is off to bed 12.27.37 # Eh...what I'm getting at is that they're in general overpriced...it'll be maybe 1 or 2 years and you'll have wifi enabled full PDA's with equivilent HD space, perhaps upgradeable even, priced for less than 2x as much. 12.28.04 # that's due to development, not overpricing 12.28.16 # imo, the biggest hurdle is battery life 12.28.28 # in an extremly competitive market, how can anyone overcharge? 12.28.39 # and since it's a mini computer, the wifi portion won't be crippled like it is in the Zune/Gremlin. 12.29.00 # Bagder: Actually it isn't too competitive, apple has 85% market share. 12.29.25 # Less than twice as much is still a wide range. 12.29.25 # then explain why not all the korean players are half the ipod price? 12.29.41 # Less than twice the cost of a $400 device can still be an additional $200 I'd have to pay for features I have no interest in. 12.29.46 # if it would be that easy, they would lower the price to gain market share 12.30.02 # I say its just BS 12.30.15 # Paul_the_Nerd: what I'm getting at is that prices for more powerful devices will quickly fall. 12.30.31 # Then wait for them to fall if you're confident they will. 12.30.37 # of couse they will fall 12.30.50 # prices for tech stuff fall all the time 12.30.57 # at least during the last 20 years 12.31.43 # I'm just doubting the long term price viability of portable media players (dedicated media players) vs. hand held computers. 12.31.53 Quit bytie_new ("Dana") 12.32.03 # PDAs are almost extinct already 12.32.18 # they'll all merge in mobile phones one day I'd say 12.32.25 # xipietotec: I prefer single-use devices. 12.32.28 # And I won't enjoy that day. 12.32.49 # me neither really 12.32.56 # I'd like my phone to mostly stay a phone/pda, I'd rather have my media-use time untied to my electronic-communication use. 12.33.06 # I carry a phone, a PDA, and a iPod. Until there is a revoloution in batteries (fuel cells?) I don't have enough battery on any one of the devices to merge them. 12.33.31 Join bytie [0] (n=anonym@lbck-4db22f86.pool.einsundeins.de) 12.33.50 # SoapIsOutOfTown: Single use devices generally evolve into professional/enthusiast devices instead, the trend being to evolve into more multi-function devices. 12.33.57 # not to mention the failure of multi-purpose user interfaces to do such different tasks well/ 12.34.38 # the qualities which make a good PDA make a poor DAP, and vise versa. 12.36.14 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.36.45 # a phone/PDA I /could/ envision, with bluetooth headsets now you can both talk and write/reference at the same time, but considering I kill the biggest battery they make for a cellphone easily in a day, there is no way I could personally combine devices. 12.37.44 # Whilst we're slightly off-topic, anyone know of any car head units with hard disks built-in. Similar to the Neo Car Jukebox (which doesn't seem to be available any more). 12.39.25 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-47b91c862d8af030) 12.39.47 Join ragman93 [0] (n=pro_1993@60-240-97-213.static.tpgi.com.au) 12.40.00 # can anyone help me with this stupid thing? 12.40.03 # Bagder: the problem is that by the time the device is cheap enough it disappears from the market 12.40.11 # of course 12.40.25 # because companies can't/won't sell stuff that is too cheap 12.40.37 # ragman93: Well, considering we don't know what stupid thing you're having a problem with, or what problem you're having, we can't accurately answer that question. 12.40.42 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.41.03 # Yes. But even on secondary market. Try to find H1xx. 12.41.09 Join ScoTTie [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 12.41.16 # i got a black 4GB ipod nano with blackbox and i cant find out how to put videos on it? 12.41.32 # blackbox? 12.41.34 # *rockbox 12.41.35 # lol 12.42.04 # see MpegPlayer wiki page 12.42.13 # kk thanks 12.42.33 # But you'll probably be disappointed with it - it's not a finished application. 12.43.10 # or you may like the challenge to improve it! 12.44.29 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC") 12.53.43 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a0e576dba82114d7) 12.56.58 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 12.59.59 # hey could someone send me a link to download the app? 13.00.24 # www.rockbox.org? 13.00.45 Quit mako (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.01.03 # a direct link? 13.01.08 # to what? 13.01.15 # why? what model? 13.01.28 # 'the app' ? 13.02.21 # 4gb nano 13.02.35 # to mpeg play 13.02.42 # it comes bundled 13.03.14 # what? 13.03.19 # but i need to download it? 13.03.25 # no 13.03.31 # it comes with rockbox 13.03.36 # I really suggest you RTFM 13.03.58 # in plugins 13.04.01 # its not there 13.04.06 # :O 13.04.21 # Bagder: would it make sense to enable the MMU's write buffer for the ATA registers? 13.04.24 # because it's a viewer? 13.04.53 # ragman93: look up the wiki page that Bagder suggested 13.04.59 # ragman93: you just need to play the file like you would do with an audio file 13.05.54 # markun: I don't remember such details about the MMU really 13.10.11 Join mako [0] (i=mako@bork.hampshire.edu) 13.11.39 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 13.11.54 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.12.00 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 13.14.26 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 13.17.50 Quit ragman93 () 13.25.25 Join DD_busy [0] (i=drippydo@ACD40BA7.ipt.aol.com) 13.26.03 # hows the "pimp my pod" thing coming along? 13.31.25 Quit mako (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.37.20 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 13.38.54 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.43.38 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7262.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.44.38 Join mako [0] (i=mako@192.101.188.35) 13.45.41 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.46.06 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.50.26 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.51.34 Join daurn|laptop [0] (n=quae@124.243.164.126) 13.52.26 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.52.27 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3134.gwdg.de) 13.57.00 # amiconn: didn't you have a plugin to benchmark ATA? 13.59.35 Quit DD_busy ("( drippydonut :: www.drippydonut.com )") 14.00.07 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.03.15 # people claiming to be from Andorra in the wiki account are suspicious 14.03.29 # why? 14.03.37 # they're very rare 14.03.49 # and is the first country in the list iirc 14.03.56 # maybe, but it's a nice place ;) 14.04.01 # hehe 14.04.05 # never been there myself 14.04.15 # * petur once 14.04.31 # Also, "Ork Lo" sounds like a weird name 14.04.43 # *that* is true :) 14.04.50 # aaaan yes 14.04.52 # spam 14.04.54 # aand even 14.05.09 # book.htm 14.05.12 # yeah 14.05.36 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 14.05.54 # i'd better run my wiki cleanup script again 14.06.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.06.25 # so many new users, so few write permission requests 14.06.25 # I sent mr OrkLo back to Andorra 14.06.34 # lucky bastard 14.08.41 # Does anyone know of a nice ftp client for Windows? 14.08.59 # leechftp if you can still find it 14.09.17 # filezilla if not 14.09.25 # thanks, I'll look for these 14.09.41 # curl! ;-P 14.10.16 # lftp ncftp 14.10.48 # Genre9mp3: http://users.telenet.be/petur/leechftp13.zip 14.11.12 # petur: Thanks nut I've already found it :) 14.11.14 # * Bagder senses the coffee refill wibe 14.11.17 # nut/but 14.11.38 # ok, it's gone again ;) 14.14.52 # i could rockbox my ipod now 14.15.00 # Windows already has a full featured gui ftp client built in 14.15.03 # but then i can't watch any simpsons 14.15.14 # ...and a commandline ftp as well 14.15.44 # amiconn: it has a fullt-featured gui ftp client? 14.16.20 Part Paul_the_Nerd 14.16.53 # amiconn: I know, but for some reason I cannot connect to my ftp server so I wanted to try an alternative (unfortunately with no success) 14.17.17 # LinusN: Yes. Internet explorer is a full ftp client 14.17.33 # Yes... I used IE until now 14.17.35 # how do you upload? 14.17.42 # drag and drop 14.17.47 # (never tried to use it) 14.17.52 # Drag and drop or copy & paste 14.17.52 # oh 14.18.08 # never occurred to me - i learned something today 14.18.32 # Same way as you copy/move file in windows explorer 14.19.36 Quit mako (Success) 14.24.20 # amiconn: overlooked my question? 14.27.32 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.30.28 # oh 14.30.49 # markun: Yes, I have a rather simple test plugin. 14.31.16 # amiconn: could you send it to me? 14.31.55 Join Pelloj [0] (i=underwat@202.10.86.63) 14.32.04 # It just opens a file (name & path is hardcoded), and reads it aligned and unaligned, measuring the read time 14.32.18 # How does rockbox affect the sound of my music? It might be my imagination but it seems rather less bassy. 14.32.37 Join mako_ [0] (i=mako@bork.hampshire.edu) 14.32.55 # I was even too lazy to rename everything properly... 14.33.01 # amiconn: thanks 14.33.05 # This is what I used at devocon 14.33.09 # *devcon 14.34.16 # Pelloj: on what target? 14.34.23 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965BFD.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.35.08 # I'm sorry -- target? 14.35.13 # oh, iPod 4G. 14.35.54 # then I'd assume they should sound pretty similar 14.37.53 Join ender1 [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 14.38.13 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 14.40.52 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 14.41.39 Quit FOAD_ ("I'll be back") 14.41.43 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 14.45.09 Join mako__ [0] (i=mako@bork.hampshire.edu) 14.45.38 Quit mako_ (Connection reset by peer) 14.46.23 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.47.37 # what, slasheri's gotten an ipod? :> 14.48.29 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.48.54 # * Bagder hears mumbling about someone else getting a 5.5 too... 14.49.29 # I think its the chance to get it pimped that speeds this up ;-) 14.49.42 # hahah 14.49.52 # it's got special pimping facilities? 14.49.58 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.50.02 # * petur just wants a 80GB disk to fit in his h340 14.50.20 # the idiot in me also wants one 14.50.26 # 80 gigs and a nice screen 14.50.47 # unfortunately, the idiot in me is all too prevalent 14.50.52 # gigabeat F40 + 80GB disk? 14.51.08 # hmm, no portalplayer... 14.51.12 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 14.56.32 # preglow: you have to be quick, the prices will sky-rocket when the port is done.. :) 14.57.00 # * preglow scrambles 14.57.58 Quit Nibbier ("bei uns hat noch niemals nicht koana koan durscht ned ghabt") 14.58.05 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.58.14 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-79.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.59.27 # are there any DAPs with a >80gb hdd? 14.59.47 # only pimped archos players 14.59.54 # Pelloj: sure, if you get one with 2.5" hdd 15.00.34 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.01.49 Join Caliban__ [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 15.01.51 Join Gnelik [0] (i=keefejoh@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-07e73ca1ff6339d5) 15.02.50 # no word yet on the 1.8" 120GB drive by Seagate 15.03.01 # eh? 15.03.07 # * petur reads that again 15.03.32 Join Caliban___ [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 15.06.00 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.06.24 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@p54BD1132.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.06.30 # petur: http://www.seagate.com/products/consumer_electronics/st18_series.html 15.06.55 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (i=hihi@75-64.wlan.rz.uni-potsdam.de) 15.07.35 # * petur wonders how to name a h340 with 120GB disk :) 15.07.46 # h460? 15.07.56 # h3120? 15.08.18 # hhuge 15.08.22 # h420 15.09.34 Quit Caliban_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.10.08 # what about 750gb? 15.10.09 # ;) 15.10.25 # h1040? :P 15.10.28 # in 1.8" form? 15.11.37 # if you have a magic wand to convert it from 3,5' to 1,8'... 15.13.04 # I read some time ago iriver planned (but never finished) the h500 series. Maybe they left out the 400 block for disk sizes of 100GiB upwards ;-) 15.13.38 # planned (but never finished)??? 15.14.34 # orklo comes back... 15.14.56 # If it that is true I guess they decided it was too big and went for the two-digits models 15.15.17 # (as LisLo) 15.15.18 # why can wiki users without write access edit their wiki page? 15.16.28 # petur: they can't 15.16.42 # OrkLo could 15.17.06 # where? 15.18.18 # before I erased him 15.18.22 Quit kubiix (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.18.58 Quit Caliban__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.19.46 # Bagder: next time let me analyze the page before you delete it 15.19.53 # sure! 15.20.12 # this user seems to be persistent so I bet he'll come back 15.23.20 Quit tehsmo (Remote closed the connection) 15.23.43 # there's something strange with the scrollbar on my h340: as I navigate up/down the tree, some dirs have no scrollbar even with a lot of subdirs. And the ones with missing scrollbar vary if I go up or down the tree 15.24.56 # meh 15.25.02 # * amiconn wants an 8GB MMC 15.26.06 # How come one manufacturer annouced them in July (Samsung), and another one already lists them on their site (Microdia), but no shop seems to have them available? 15.26.51 # because not many things use MMC these days? 15.27.19 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.27.23 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 15.28.30 # Perhaps I should ask Microdia directly... 15.28.30 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.236.206) 15.30.08 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54932D08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.31.51 Part LinusN 15.31.57 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 15.37.20 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 15.37.37 Part DJ_Dooms_Day 15.41.11 Join tehsmo [0] (n=whyrph@tysonyo.resnet.mtu.edu) 15.44.03 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 15.46.42 Join urchin [0] (n=urchin@AGrenoble-257-1-94-57.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.46.55 # hi there 15.47.07 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 15.47.51 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.48.20 # need some help with a mini 2g install of rockbox, if anybody would be so kind 15.48.56 # urchin: I don't have an ipod but maybe I can help, what's the problem? 15.49.15 # basically it keeps rebooting even though it is not plugged into anything 15.49.18 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 15.49.24 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 15.49.39 # without, you touching anything? 15.50.01 # yup, it seems to go into USB mode and the it reboots 15.50.06 # +n 15.50.58 # try holding menu+select for a wjile to see if it powers down 15.51.06 # while 15.51.48 # it does reboot when pressing menu+select, however it enters a reboot cycle just after 15.52.30 # and this started happening when you installed the rockbox bootloader and was working fine before? 15.52.36 # so I end up having to load the orginal firmware using "menu" 15.53.01 # yes, and the apple firmware still works fine 15.53.18 # does, the rockbox bootloader print any messages? 15.53.27 # also did you install rockbox? 15.54.09 # the bootloader prints various messages (ipod model, serial no...) and then passes the control to rockbox, so it seems. Then rockbox displays a picture of an USB cable and reboots 15.54.53 # it displays "partition, model, checksum" 15.55.12 # by installing you mean unzipping a build to the root folder of the ipod? 15.55.21 # yes 15.55.39 # yes, i did copy a file and a folder (.rockbox) 15.55.45 # seems to be some sort of hardware irregularity then 15.56.11 # could be 15.56.20 # urchin: Do you have a charger connected? 15.56.28 # no, nothing is plugged in 15.56.56 # but my ipod always behaved a little strangely (altough it works), so it could be a HW problem 15.57.42 # Slasheri: Strange solution... and an unnecessary function in ata.c for other targets than ipod :/ 15.59.16 # (and btw, you should call_ata_idle_notifys(true) in order to make sure things are saved for real 15.59.44 # In fact the function in ata.c is completely unnecessary 16.00.56 # ...and even slightly dangerous 16.00.57 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 16.05.20 Quit xipietotec (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16.05.39 Quit urchin ("Quitte") 16.06.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.14.42 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 16.16.03 Join freqmod_n [0] (n=freqmod@156.80-202-167.nextgentel.com) 16.18.20 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host107-204.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 16.20.43 Quit freqmod (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 16.25.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.42.00 Join dioz [0] (n=dioz@69-11-6-15.regn.static.sasknet.sk.ca) 16.42.50 # will the mp3s i have currently on my ipod... will their modified id3 tags and file names cause fux with rockbox ? um 16.43.01 # and by fux i mean drama 16.43.02 # issues 16.43.09 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7262.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.50.06 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 16.50.09 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.50.35 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.51.06 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.52.03 # dioz: filenames don't matter if you enable the database function of rockbox. Modified tags, I don't know. Rockbox (in database mode) uses those tags 16.52.49 # and with added graphics and added color to the gui does it eat on battery life more-so ? 16.52.52 Quit Gnelik ("CGI:IRC") 16.52.57 # i would assume obviously 16.53.09 # but i was wondering if there's a major difference 16.53.47 # the difference is pretty small i would say 16.55.07 # gfx/color don't matter so much, but rockbox on ipod still uses more battery than the original firmware. No fix for that in sight I'm affraid 16.55.32 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/administrator/Febs) 16.56.22 # is there a backlight dimmer for the lcd 16.57.12 # no idea, don't have ipod... 16.59.24 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 17.00.47 # weird weird 17.00.47 # i bet it uses quite a bit more battery 17.00.47 # without having an index file 17.00.47 DBUG Enqueued KICK dioz 17.00.47 # i bet it's also a bunch harder on the mechanics considering it isn't solid state and always having to spin up/down the hdd for file seeking (specially on random) 17.00.47 # i wanna test it 17.00.47 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.01.42 # rockbox has directory and tag caching to reduce disk spinning 17.01.57 # god dammit 17.02.01 # it there a features list somewhere ? 17.02.08 # www.rockbox.org 17.02.14 # wiki 17.02.19 # yeah 17.02.22 # just the faqs 17.02.31 # and the manual of course 17.02.59 # ^5 17.03.06 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 17.03.36 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 17.03.36 # * petur notices http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox could use some more features 17.08.48 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@241.80-202-109.nextgentel.com) 17.17.07 # * petur wonders if fm-radio automatic boost/unboost was ever implemented/committed 17.20.15 # ? 17.20.57 # run fm radio in idle freq and boost/unboost on keypresses (when scanning) 17.23.46 # oh 17.24.05 # no line-in support 17.24.27 # i have an adaptor for my ipod photo so i can have a microphone to record lectures and shit 17.24.37 # so many nice supported players and you had to pick out an ipod :p 17.25.08 # my iriver h340 has line-in plug and build-in mic 17.25.28 # no extra $$$ for all those stupid adapters :) 17.26.18 # What's the big hurdle on adding recording to iPod, if any? 17.26.35 # linuxstb had a patch but you broke it :) 17.26.56 # Could unbreak it I suppose 17.29.05 # It didn't appear to need _too_ much. The encoders should be compatible with little endian. Suppose I could update it. 17.29.47 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dc5f6839ae5d7d5d) 17.29.58 # petur, cause i like walkin into a joint flossin my 12inch ibook and my 60gb ipod 17.30.02 # it makes me feel special 17.30.24 # lol 17.30.33 # You're what's wrong with this world. 17.30.33 # I just can't really evaluate any samplerate switching w/o a device. That's the big thing. 17.32.00 # i need a smoke 17.32.12 Quit Pelloj (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.32.20 # aha, you've got more than one problem :p 17.35.03 # and i was kidding about the ibook 17.35.11 # the ipod was an impusle purchase 17.35.20 # impulse 17.37.50 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-1-141.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 17.44.55 Join webguest60 [0] (i=c2c7fca1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-93fa561f6d58b2f2) 17.45.29 # why cant i see sansa boot in daily and CVS ? can damage our player ? 17.46.14 # not ready for the public 17.46.31 # thank you 17.49.01 # last.fm support is still not 100% :( sometimes it rejects tracks... must keep the log next time 17.50.33 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 17.51.24 Quit webguest60 ("CGI:IRC") 17.51.37 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3024.gwdg.de) 17.52.08 # heh.. scrollbar availability toggles on/off with each step down into the tree. very weird 17.56.56 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.57.26 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 17.58.25 # petur: Works fine here on a build from 1122 17.58.54 # must check at home... 18.02.44 Quit amigan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.02.48 # petur: it seems a new build messed with my settings, at least some were changed when I updated but some were left, maybe someone forgot to update the settings version? 18.04.27 # nope - just reset them and it's the same (after loading cfg that is) 18.05.44 # hmm. with std settings the dirs that didn't have a scrollbar don't need one with the tiny font... 18.05.50 # interesting 18.06.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.07.01 # argh - my fault... 18.08.01 # * petur thought that dir had more subdirs but they all just fit in the screen 18.08.25 # yay hard crash 18.09.45 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.10.06 # yay again! 18.11.25 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.42.211) 18.11.37 Quit Ribs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.12.00 # yay reproducible ;-) 18.14.40 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 18.15.01 # anyone with an h300 want to reproduce a crash? 18.15.31 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 18.16.30 # * petur needs it on the bike in 10 seconds 18.16.36 Quit petur ("later") 18.19.36 # with the install manual for the ipod photo 18.19.52 # to open a run dialog box it says Start>Execute 18.20.08 # under windows 18.20.32 # i WISH it said execute 18.20.50 # i'd type names in there all the time and click okay... sit at home and pray it came to past 18.20.57 # Run 18.20.59 # I'll fix 18.22.19 # Done. 18.22.28 # n1s: don't have an h300, but what's the crash? 18.22.54 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.23.10 # set show path to current and select the ter-32n (that's the one i tried) font and back out of the screen with left bam. 18.26.13 # added task to tracker gotta run 18.26.49 Quit bytie (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.28.10 Quit ender1 (" BOFH excuse #53: Little hamster in running wheel had coronary; waiting for replacement to be Fedexed from Wyoming") 18.30.43 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 18.31.13 # n1s: by chance do you have an LCD remote? 18.31.42 # lowlight: nope 18.32.26 # lowlight: did it crash for you? 18.32.42 # it's reproducible in the sim 18.33.20 # I know there's a problem when you try to draw a list with a title and the screen can only display 1 line 18.33.22 Quit bbroke ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 18.33.48 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 18.34.07 # * n1s runs away for a while 18.34.48 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 18.38.37 # Are the gui functions executed from the remote screen even if a remote is not plugged in? 18.39.29 # I think so. Check the FOR_NB_SCREEN macros (or whatever it is called). 18.42.09 # where do i go to browse through directories and shit ? 18.42.15 # yeah, it just loops the possible number of screens regardless of whether the remote is plugged in. 18.42.19 # i see all my un-hidden 18.43.22 # General settings > File view > show files 18.46.15 # I am looking for somebody to help me with syncing some patches, thanx 18.46.47 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-028-207.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.49.36 # Shouldn't the remote "screen" only be initialized when i't plugged in? 18.49.46 # *it's 18.51.43 # kubiix: patch syncing is usually left to the patch creator 18.52.17 # oh weird 18.52.22 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.52.27 # if you cache folders/files it takes a while to update 18.52.35 # lowlight: i know, but he doesn't have time for it now 18.52.35 # i was getting angry wondering why i couldn't se ehidden files 18.52.40 # guess i need to chill out 18.52.56 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.96.121) 18.55.50 # kubiix: then you probably need to do it manually 18.55.58 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.55.59 # kubiix - what patches? 18.58.30 # with rockbox now running 18.58.42 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 18.58.42 # can i boot into normal apple firmware ? 18.59.50 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.203.153) 19.00.22 # PaulPosition: pijulius patches for proper displaying of jClix theme 19.00.39 # dioz - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple 19.01.13 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484C3BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.01.51 # kubiix - for what target? 19.02.10 # iPod color / video 19.02.45 # iirc that had A LOT of patches 19.03.37 # wow simple 19.03.56 # kubiix - Maxwen has a complete page with re-worked patches syncing (I think) with the 20th of nov... He's building for the X5, but the "pijulius" patches he uses allowed me to build for the H10 so you may want to have a look... : 19.04.09 # http://rockbox.webhop.org/ 19.04.24 # (Of course you don't want the X5-specific patches) 19.04.32 # PaulPosition: thanx, i will check it 19.05.15 # your welcome 19.06.16 # PaulPosition: btw where should I start if I want to understand the rockbox sources ? mainly the GUI functions 19.07.36 # kubiix - "Understanding" is way over my head. :( I guess the "How to make a plugin" wiki page is the best place to start doing something and you could work from that.. 19.08.03 Quit PaulJam (".") 19.08.19 # PaulPosition: I mean where to start in the sources 19.08.35 # Kubiix - Also... About Maxwen's build, you should note one thing : he uses an older bmp.c file than the current cvs one... If you give me a second, I'll try to find which eactly.. 19.09.21 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEFF9C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.09.55 # PaulPosition: I know the bmp.c was completely reworked 19.11.34 # Indeed - But not the patches, or not enough anyway. So to build, maxwen used bmp.c version 1.28 (we're now into 1.35 I think)... The patches on his site should apply cleanly, thus, if you replace that one file. 19.12.44 # If you get it working, I'm sure he'd like a "hey!, it works" :) 19.13.26 # As for where to begin to understand, I'm not the one to ask.. I can't code anything over 100 lines as I have too short an attention span. :p 19.13.34 Join kapellas [0] (n=ff@athedsl-113945.otenet.gr) 19.13.38 # help guyssss 19.13.55 # thanks 19.14.13 # kapellas: with what? 19.15.58 Join christhegreek [0] (n=ff@athedsl-113945.otenet.gr) 19.16.12 # Help guys 19.16.34 # When i use the ipodpatcher program it giving me this message: Error reading from disk: ? ¿Ü±-¹ßÚ±¾? ß-ºÜþ ß??ܸ¹?ºý. 19.16.35 # who should I bug for a Sansa e200 series WPS section on rockbox-themes? 19.17.00 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 19.17.05 # help 19.17.29 # kubiix: the main gui functions are in apps/gui 19.17.42 # help MAN 19.17.42 # christhegreek: sounds like you should run a chkdsk or something 19.17.50 # netmasta - Isn't that premature or has the e200 port made great strides in the last few days? 19.17.50 # for my ipod? 19.17.55 # christhegreek: Sorry but I don't have an iPod and I cannot understand that error message 19.18.16 # try typing it than copy-paste 19.18.35 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.18.36 # neither i understand it 19.18.53 # [INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive1 19.18.53 # Error reading from disk: ? ¿Ü±-¹ßÚ±¾? ß-ºÜþ ß??ܸ¹?ºý. 19.19.34 # at the end it giving me mabojambo 19.20.18 # How's the disk formatted as? fat32? (I know nothing of the ipods, just throwing ideas..) 19.20.31 # yes 19.20.43 # the explorer says that is fat32 19.21.09 # PaulPosition: it maybe premature, but theres a gigabeat section, and rockbox doesnt run there yet -- and I'll have a couple to add here shortly 19.21.31 # my ipod when i connect it to my pc says a message don't disconnect 19.21.38 # Is that right? 19.22.14 # netmasta10bt - Cool, didn't see the gigabeat page.. Maybe try to pester Badger then, but I'm unsure (I think he rules the forum, but what about other parts of the site...) 19.22.39 # i have tha ipod video 19.22.46 # PaulPosition: ok -- i just sent a email to sysadmin@rockbox-themes.org -- thx 19.22.48 # 80 gbytes 19.22.58 # christhegreek: Ah.. .that's why 19.23.22 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.23.29 # netmasta - Oh the rockbox-themes page, not the WPS gallery from the wiki? Sorry I didn't understand you.. :blush: 19.23.32 # christhegreek: you have an iPod 5.5g 80GB, this is not supported on Rockbox 19.23.46 # ah 19.23.54 # not (yet) supported anyway 19.24.29 # ok 19.24.47 # is there any way to use the old explorer like style at my ipod 19.24.48 # ? 19.25.01 # because the itunes it giving me to the nerves 19.25.03 # except Rockbox, I don't think so 19.25.18 # unfortunately you will have to wait for a port 19.25.35 # thank you very much. 19.25.39 # Maybe have a look at ipodlinux but I doubt they progressed much more than rockbox dev. on the 5.5gen front... 19.25.54 Quit christhegreek () 19.26.06 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 19.26.12 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEFF9C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.26.19 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 19.26.29 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEFF9C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.26.33 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 19.26.45 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEFF9C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.26.49 Quit Rondom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.26.54 Join bytie [0] (n=anonym@lbck-4db22f86.pool.einsundeins.de) 19.27.54 # So, do you guys reckon that porting to e200 and other PP-based daps might bring some more techies into the quest of optimizing that chipset (I wish!)? 19.27.55 # Read today's log, Shasheri got 30GB 5.5g ipod today, so maybe there will be more progress now 19.28.47 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3184.gwdg.de) 19.30.14 # PaulPosition: Yes, probably. There's a good chance we'll learn different things from each target which will apply more generally. 19.30.49 # Cool. :) Wish I knew how to help, or had a thousand dollars to spend bricking players testing stuff for you crazy guys. ;) 19.31.40 # PaulPosition: and do you know someone who can introduce me to the sources ? 19.31.51 # PaulPosition: I've not bricked a player yet, and that includes writing random data to peripherals to see what will happen 19.32.16 # kubiix: the main gui functions are in apps/gui 19.32.25 Quit kapellas (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.33.41 # dan_a - Really? Reading barry's blurb about (no)dualboot on the H10 I was under the impression that'd be dangerous play indeed.. Happy to know it's not. :) 19.34.16 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 19.34.46 # Testing bootloaders can be dangerous - it depends on the player 19.35.08 Join Life^ [0] (n=12@a137118.upc-a.chello.nl) 19.35.12 # Certainly the first few things you had to get rolling on the sansa was a bootloader? 19.35.56 # would it be possible to get the Plasma thing from rockbox as a windows screensaver/executable? 19.36.00 # Ah, but our 'bootloader' appears like a firmware to the Sansa - we don't touch the Sansa's own bootloader 19.36.44 # Okay... Works about the same on the h10 I *think*.. 19.38.51 # dan - Anyway, thanks for the comforting you provided :D 19.45.51 # Life^: the source of that plugin is available, but remember it's GPL licenced. Maybe better to search for an existing screensaver... 19.47.44 Quit shnee (Success) 19.47.47 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.49.07 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 19.56.35 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.57.00 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 19.57.08 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp117-205.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.58.13 # mahna mahna 19.59.02 # n1s: I put a patch on the tracker for that bug. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6397 19.59.16 # I'll checl it out 19.59.27 # check it out even :-) 19.59.55 # works on the sim, but try it on your h300 20.00.19 # it's not exclusive to the h300 series 20.00.42 # * lowlight heads to meeting *yawn* 20.01.14 # blah 20.01.19 # i can't reach rockbox.org 20.01.22 # * Nimdae pouts 20.02.45 # trace dies on sprintlink 20.03.34 # lowlight: works nicely :-) 20.03.38 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 20.04.46 Quit dau (Connection reset by peer) 20.04.52 # kermit can reach rockbox, i'll access it through there :) 20.06.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.09.43 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 20.15.35 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 20.17.59 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 20.18.22 # Íåà 20.20.57 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.21.29 # dan_a: Hi Dan! 20.22.51 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.26.41 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 20.32.09 # Hi Gnelik 20.32.11 Quit wehn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.32.43 # dan_a: no progress?? 20.33.06 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.33.41 # No, I'm trying to get something working on the 3G iPod, but I can't do it :( 20.34.30 # * petur gets delay-triggered by a couple of pink cows 20.39.31 # dan_a: What is something??? 20.40.39 # cache flush and cache invalidate, so that I can play around with using the 2nd core, in the hope of making audio skip less 20.44.28 Join bafe [0] (i=c2e6dcd7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.47.38 Quit bafe (Client Quit) 20.48.16 Join Jaelae [0] (n=Jaelae@ool-4574dc93.dyn.optonline.net) 20.48.27 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 20.48.38 # time to take the plunge into rockboxium 20.49.46 # dan_a: Rockbox hangs up on load when USB is inserted 20.50.45 # any recommendations for a program that keeps music libraries up to date? e.g. the new windows media player 11 keeps tracks linked up to albums properly by the right name and attachs album covers to it 20.50.47 # Gnelik: I know. I've not worked out why yet. If you want to get rid of that, then revert the USB detection change. 20.50.52 # just not sure if there is something better out there 20.51.56 # Gnelik: I think I'll get it to boot into OF when the USB is detected, the same way that the iPods do 20.52.20 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 20.52.32 # hello 20.54.10 # dan_a: Shood i do it in my Bl to?? 20.55.19 # Shood = should 20.58.17 # Gnelik: No, this is in the main Rockbox, not the BL. 20.59.18 # Jaelae: there's some stuff here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsefulTools 21.00.16 # where is the best place to look for sansa status? 21.00.25 # you guys should write an addon that will let me plug a USB SIM read/writer and dump images 21.00.44 # my hand held only can do 16 images 21.01.05 # I think you speak of USBOTG? No? 21.01.17 # doiz: the source is open, start hacking! 21.01.23 # hah i know 21.01.47 # i was kidding anyways 21.01.48 # Is there a place to check for updates to the status of the sansa port? 21.01.51 # Davide-NYC: I think the Sansa thread is pretty much up-to-date. The firmware is coming along nicely, but is still a long way off 21.02.09 # 29 pages. Urghh 21.02.11 # OK 21.02.20 # * Davide-NYC off to read a messy thread 21.02.24 # 29 pages, but the updates are at the end! 21.02.34 # * Davide-NYC will read backwards 21.02.42 # David - You should go read it the NASA way, 29, 28, 27 ... stop when you have had enough.. ;-) 21.02.53 # heh.. 21.03.30 # Rockbox boots, scroll wheel doesn't work, audio doesn't work, USB doesn't work, plugins work as long as they don't require the scroll wheel 21.03.50 # Backlight dont works 21.04.26 # I'm already done 21.04.45 # presumed the worse... didn;t happen that way here's the meaty bit: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg58296#msg58296 21.04.55 # thanks dan_a 21.05.05 # ty peteur 21.05.17 # You're welcome 21.05.39 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.06.03 # I'm working on getting dual boot right at the moment - it works with some hacks. 21.06.26 # I don;t have a sansa, but would be in the market for a non-apple flash player for the gym 21.06.31 Join myzar805 [0] (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 21.06.42 # the sansa 8GB looks like it 21.06.44 Nick myzar805 is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 21.06.59 Quit myzar|away ("changing servers") 21.07.03 # Sansa seems a nice flashbased dap indeed... 21.07.23 # A friend just bought two of 'em on swaybay.. 21.07.32 # They are nice, and look gorgeous. They're pretty heavy 21.07.48 # heavy = goog? 21.07.51 # *good 21.08.33 # I like heavy, but am underwhelmed by the thickness (a tad too thick) but I'm not buying a nano 21.08.43 # well, maybe not 21.08.52 # dependig on RB support 21.09.17 Join webguest38 [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bca169cf6b2e579e) 21.09.23 # It feels sturdy to me, but it's all down to personal preference 21.09.47 # dan_a: write support? 21.10.11 # as of 9 days ago not, but a lot can happen in 9 days 21.10.15 # :-) 21.10.26 # Writing seems to work - but it's not had a huge amount of testing 21.12.55 # I will probably buy one the minute RB gives sound. At that point I'll do a lot of testing. But at that point it'll be less critical. :-( 21.16.34 # Question: I see that the sansa has a microphone and allows for voice recording. Does it have a line in buried in the proprietary connector? 21.18.04 Quit mirak (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.22 # Apparently not according to cnet, but you never know until you ask a nitty-gritty hardware person. 21.20.59 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 21.27.02 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 21.29.03 Join Bonusbartus [0] (i=52ab47dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e6aad5b1c452789e) 21.29.33 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.30.11 # hi 21.30.11 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-2-15.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.30.23 # someone here who could help me? 21.30.41 # 124 people who might, best to just ask. 21.31.43 # I need to send my Iriver h340 back to iriver because my battery is empty very fast(2 hours) I bought it in march 2006, so it would be a warranty case if I hadn't rockboxed my player 21.32.09 Join webguest99 [0] (i=3e4183fd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.32.25 # What do I need to do (using windows xp) to remove all traces of rockbox? 21.32.36 # delete the rockbox folder, then reflash to original firmware 21.32.46 # make sure you empty all garbage bins and stuff like that 21.33.00 # petur: ping 21.33.05 # pong 21.33.20 # hmm I read on the forum that that would leave the rockbox settings... 21.33.37 # petur: you are watched by KGB. Have you looked at the pitch screen patches? 21.34.05 # webguest99: not yet, real life overflow atm... later perhaps 21.34.18 # just keep nagging ;) 21.34.33 # petur: ok, relax, I have other targets in the UK :-) 21.34.45 Join Larsie [0] (i=53538563@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.34.45 # Bonusbartus: flash an unmodified firmware and delete rockbox from the harddisk, and yes the settings will still be there but can be whiped with special tools 21.34.58 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@63-226-213-147.tukw.qwest.net) 21.35.17 # Bonusbarus: I read your question in the logs, don't do it! 21.35.28 # I lost my H320 by RMA'ing it 21.35.44 # already did that, only those settings remain, what tool can I use? 21.35.45 # they will send you a refund or a H10 in return :( 21.36.00 Part webguest99 ("gtg to UK") 21.36.16 # larsie: not a problem, they still sell h340's in europe, I phoned them 21.36.16 # you can get replacement batteries very cheap on ebay 21.36.20 # huh\ 21.36.24 # they do? 21.36.42 # but no H320 or something? 21.37.08 Quit Kittt0s ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.37.22 # french parliament will go linux ant openoffice.org ! Go peguin ! 21.37.29 # I bought mine march this year, I phoned them if it was the se or the normal h340 and they said it was the se, so I ordered a remote with it... I got the h340 with docking station 2 remotes battery pack and so on... 21.37.40 # but no they don't have H320's 21.38.33 # arg 21.38.46 # Bonusbartus: (1) check for config sector: dd if=/your/iaudio_dev of=config.bin skip=61 count=1 21.38.50 Quit midkay (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.55 # 19.55.46 # Then open this in a hex editor. It should start with "Roc" 21.39.00 # it has cost me around 200 euro's in total because of the *not* replacing 21.39.12 # :/ 21.39.17 # If you're sure this is your config sector, then overwrite it: 21.39.19 # dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/iaudio_dev seek=61 count=1 21.39.41 # but I don't know if it is the battery, when I don't plug my player in the ac and connect it to my pc it shuts down after a few minutes when I'm transferring something... then looks like battery is empty but after5 minutes it just starts saying battery is half full 21.39.58 # nls: but that is a linux command isn't it? 21.40.03 # I paid 300 euro's for it in the first place, I got a refund of 250. I had to buy another product from that same store from it 21.40.07 # sold that one 21.40.11 # n1s: Stop triggering me! ;) 21.40.19 # sorry :-) 21.40.25 # and eventually bought a sansa 21.40.27 # :/ 21.40.35 # Bonusbartus: yes, linux 21.40.37 # I miss my H320 I still do :( 21.40.41 # Bonusbartus: There are windows implementations of 'dd' available 21.40.43 # I bought it at Iriver online shop 21.41.00 # amicon: any idea where? what it's called? 21.41.15 # strange, I believe I RMA'ed mine in April 21.41.50 # so not much later, they could've at least offered me the option to pay a bit more ande send back a H340 :( 21.41.57 # well, they just don't have h320's anymore... what was wrong with your player? 21.42.05 # http://www.chrysocome.net/dd 21.42.11 # HDD crashed :( 21.42.12 # thanx ;) 21.42.16 # Just googling for "dd windows" told me... 21.42.20 # readerrors all over the place 21.42.40 # The device names are somewhat cryptic under windows, but this dd can list them 21.42.59 # amicon: shure this leaves no traces of rockbox? and I only need to delete one sector? 21.43.43 # I could try to convince Iriver to send me a H340, since the shop paid me a refund not iriver :X 21.44.18 # larsie: you could try... 21.44.41 # yeah indeed, I don't think I will succeed. But I'll give it a shot :) 21.45.18 # hmm, probably ipod can't be charged without rockbox running or disk mode active 21.45.22 # I must say I never got problems with iriver, they repaired the remote of my old h120 3 times :P 21.45.42 # :) 21.46.40 # Slasheri: my ipod photo charges fine in disk mode 21.46.56 # hcs: but without disk spinning? 21.47.14 # i am just planning going sleep and leaving the ipod charging :) 21.47.26 # Some people there are really nice indeed, I've read about some bricked H340's a long while ago. The guy told exactly what he had done. The helpdesk told him just to not mention it and send in his H340 :') 21.47.46 # Slasheri: yeah, if you explicitly boot it in disk mode, you can plug it into the charger 21.48.18 # hmm.. but i have only the usb cable :) 21.48.35 # maybe i will just leave rockbox running and connect the cable while holding menu 21.48.45 # that will likely not charge 21.48.55 # if you connect it and then do an eject... 21.48.55 # really? :/ 21.49.12 # but if i hold down menu, disk will not spin up.. 21.49.13 # Larsie: they changed some things at Iriver, they mention rockbox as a case wich voids warranty so I think they test if it was installed... 21.49.20 # yeah, at least with my photo I've never observed any significant charging 21.49.26 # within rockbox 21.49.40 # ah, weird 21.49.49 # and i can't run the original fw either 21.49.58 # hcs, Slasheri: The ipod _does_ charge in rockbox, but only slowly 21.50.04 # maybe i will just try.. 21.50.16 Quit freqmod_n (Remote closed the connection) 21.50.16 # disk mode should be fine for charging 21.50.17 # amiconn: so it does not draw full power from the port? 21.50.41 # hcs: but that wears the drive if it's left constantly spinning.. 21.50.46 # If you use it while charging, it might even discharge depending on your usage pattern 21.51.05 # Slasheri: couldn't you just use an extension usb cord and kill the data lines in it and then connect the ipod cable to the computer through that? 21.51.16 # Slasheri: Btw, did you seem my comments regarding your shutdown-before-usb? 21.51.19 Quit Davide-NYC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.51.21 # Bonusbartus: yeah I knew that, I did miraccily succeed in putting back the original FW 21.51.22 # http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2006-11-29-009-26-OS-DB-MD 21.51.30 # Slasheri: is the disk always spinning in disk mode, even when not connected? 21.51.43 # amiconn: yes, i will fix that later. btw, how did you mean it might be dangerous? 21.51.52 # quite a nervous moment because the disk was making all kind of clicking noises :P 21.52.00 # kinds* 21.52.11 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 21.52.14 # n1s: hmm, that might do it :) 21.52.24 # linuxtoday was for dd command witha live cd 21.52.24 # Slasheri: Ata power should only be controlled from the ata thread. Your extra function doesn't do that 21.52.26 # hcs: currently i am forced to connect 21.52.34 # i don't have a separate charging cable 21.52.45 # Slasheri: do an eject, it'll still get power 21.52.47 # amiconn: it can't do that 21.53.01 # amiconn: ata thread is blocked waiting usb disconnect event 21.53.17 # amiconn: and i checked the command used semaphores 21.54.26 # Slasheri: How I would do it: (1) Call call_ata_idle_notifys(true) (2) Call ata_sleep() (3) wait until disk has gone to sleep instead of just waiting 2 seconds, which might be either too short or unnecessarily long 21.54.32 Quit daurn|laptop (Client Quit) 21.54.50 # amiconn: it will never go sleep by calling ata_sleep 21.54.52 # Hmm, if ata is blocked, how does flushing the config before usb work then? 21.54.55 # because the thread is blocked 21.55.04 # Why? 21.55.15 # It should only be blocked _after_ accepting usb 21.55.16 # just a moment, i will double-check 21.55.16 Quit Larsie ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.55.45 # ...and usb accept results from SYS_USB_CONNECTED, which in turn is sent from the usb thread iirc 21.56.04 # So if you do the housekeeping _before_ sending that event, nothing should be blocked 21.56.53 # Multithreading is good for headaches, I know... :/ 21.57.00 # amiconn: yep, true. but at least it's too late in the function usb_enable in usb-ipod.c 21.57.12 # maybe in other place it _might_ be possible 21.57.39 # I guess other targets might have the same problem 21.58.05 # Btw, I don't get the emergency park click if the disk is spun down while connecting usb 21.58.16 # at least irivers have not that issue because power is not cut from the disk when entering usb mode 21.58.34 # It happens only when plugging usb while the disk is spinning 21.58.57 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 21.59.05 # yep, or plugging usb when ipod is powered off 21.59.21 # ...and unfortunately that happens when usb is plugged at boot: Rockbox boots, sees that usb is connected and immediately triggers the diskmode reboot 21.59.59 # but now need to go sleeping -> 22.00.16 # Why does the ipod cut hd power when rebooting to diskmode? 22.00.56 # Is that an unintentional action in rockbox, or caused by the rom diskmode itself? 22.01.08 # i have no idea, probably caused by the diskmode 22.01.18 # at least rockbox does not do that intentionally 22.01.47 # amicon: could you explain what "dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/iaudio_dev seek=61 count=1" exactly does? 22.01.59 # what is if and what is of? 22.02.22 # input and output 22.02.29 # if == infile (source), of == outfile (destination) 22.03.32 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.03.34 # and what does it do "/dev/zero" fil sectors on of"iriver" with zeros? 22.03.52 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-52-132.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 22.04.02 # yep 22.04.31 # so /dev/zero just means ... zero :P 22.04.39 # Windows probably doesn't have /dev/zero, so you need a different source 22.04.55 # I think the equivalent is NUL 22.05.07 # or not 22.05.15 # yes it does, when i use that build in list option it tells me virtual devices : dev/zero and dev/random 22.05.15 # rasher: No, that would be the equivalent of /dev/null 22.05.25 # oh of course 22.05.56 # hmm seems nobody ever fixed the cause of last.fm log not loging first played song 22.06.10 # makes me miss lots of plays :P 22.06.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.06.25 # but I suppose could use that, after that, do I have to do something else? or doesnt the player "notice"this? 22.06.51 # DIE ITUNES! 22.08.18 # Xerion_: Guess why it's called _last_.fm? ;) 22.08.23 # :D 22.08.27 # rofl 22.09.29 # there's more stuff to check re last.fm support: they complain about the submit of some songs... 22.09.46 # must keep the log next time... 22.10.09 # haven't had that problem yet 22.10.17 # petur: one of the warnings on your own page? 22.10.25 # yes 22.10.38 # the bad tags one? 22.10.43 Quit webguest38 ("CGI:IRC") 22.10.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5495 22.10.57 # i was searching for last.fm before :p 22.11.14 # yeah, I didn't want to make your life easy :p 22.11.17 # hehe 22.11.22 # obo: no, about some songs overlapping I think 22.11.35 # oh, the spam protection... 22.11.40 # petur - Well that's spam protection.. 22.11.52 # fyi - itunes and windows media center do not mix 22.12.02 # To be honest I wouldn't know. I never used that feature and don't intend to either 22.12.03 # but I wasn't spamming them, the output was unaltered from my h340 22.12.20 Join Exploder [0] (i=gc85@ppp-54-4.25-151.libero.it) 22.12.35 # H140 doesn't have an RTC so my times are faked anyway, never overlap ;) 22.12.41 # how recently had you used submitted from a PC? 22.12.43 # petur - Error message is pretty clear, no? You can't regiter a song from earlier than the last song you registered into last.fm.. So if you ever listen to something on your computer before unloading the log on your DAP you're f*cked. 22.13.05 # yeah that doesn't work 22.13.17 # * obo hopes that the upcoming protocol 1.2 will allow earlier submissions 22.13.24 # although I had it work sometimes anyway, shouldn't tho 22.13.54 # the h340 is my only last.fm contribution source (but my squeezebox2 is on its way from repair :) ) 22.14.06 # * PaulPosition wishes that it'll still keep a watchfull eye on real spamming.. I fear the monstrous logs some kids will submit to become @top fans@ or whatnot.. 22.14.27 # now I always run the submission script when I get home, and if I forget I just do it next morning when I first get up or so 22.14.30 # * petur is topfan without spamming :) 22.14.38 # you should have seen it in the early days... some clients would go a bit mad and submit thousands of identical tracks... 22.14.47 # hehe 22.14.51 # the itunes bug ;) 22.15.23 # obo - heh.. ouch. 22.15.25 # I seems to remember at least 1 global reset as well.. 22.15.36 # I don't get to be topfan of anything but very obscure artists 22.15.47 # I just have too many plays in total spread over too many artists 22.15.59 # but the top fans stuff has always been broken anyway 22.16.16 # Audioslave rocks!!! 22.16.39 # I remember when the charts were still updated on every submission :P 22.16.47 # I never even looked if I was top fan of anything.. But I wish I could have some client that would build playlists for me out of last.fm database, bit like Amarok does on linux... 22.16.52 # became very slow and not working of course 22.16.57 # Then I'd have nice folders to shuffle..\ 22.18.12 # Xerion - They updated on every submission? Jeez... Actually, though, with half the last.fm crowd being there for the image-generation I guess it's still, finally, updating on most submissions behind the scen... 22.18.40 # the images don't get updated often enough 22.18.47 # I was trying something with it myself 22.18.49 # nevermind, only lastplayed gets updated.. 22.19.19 # even the recenttracks image is only updated soemtimes, makes it rather useless imo 22.19.31 # amicon: hmm should I copy to the \dev\harddiskn, or \dev\harddiskn\partionn? 22.19.42 # i uploaded a sansa theme to rockbox-themes.org 22.20.19 # * dan_a tries it 22.20.36 # sansa seems popular lately :P 22.20.52 # netmasta10bt: It's not showing up 22.21.11 # yeah -- i guess someone has to do something to show it 22.21.33 # i'll make a linky 1sec 22.21.56 # Xerion - Newest fad syndrome ;) Seems a great player though. 22.22.01 Quit LandusMikain ("Leaving") 22.22.45 # Xerion_: We've been making a bit of progress on the port, so people are getting interested. 22.24.31 # http://teraton.com:81/~torment/sansa/sansa_e200_plain_brown_01.zip 22.25.08 # nothing exciting -- but a bit better than regular -- its a converted nano theme 22.25.18 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 22.25.47 # i'm working on another conversion thats a bit prettier 22.25.53 Part Exploder 22.27.22 # It's nice to have something other than the default to play with - and it shows that the LCD flickers a bit. 22.27.38 # the progress bar 22.27.40 # eh? 22.28.16 # amiconn: I think I did it... any way to test if I did it right? 22.28.55 # In the WPS, it flickers quite a lot (due to the LCD driver not being quite right.) I'll see if I can do anything about that. 22.31.32 # Oooops... doing "reset colors" is a mistake - it's given me black text on a black background! 22.31.35 # Sansa is one of the most downloaded on my prebuilt simulator page 22.40.46 Join Zet [0] (i=zet@blue.zerodistance.fi) 22.40.51 # hello 22.41.13 # I'm looking to buy myself my first MP3 player for Christmas 22.41.35 # and I'd like it to be one that is the best possible match with Rockbox 22.42.00 # and also smallish 22.42.05 # which one would you recommend? 22.42.52 Join bluebrother [0] (i=4589mzA6@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 22.43.04 # iaudio x5 perhaps 22.46.54 # * dan_a runs test_fps on the Sansa, and thinks it gets the record 22.47.08 Join cybikohacker [0] (i=86868803@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 22.47.16 # zet - You looking at a hard-drive or flash-mem based DAP? 22.47.22 # 47015.5 fps 22.47.26 # ghahahaha 22.47.27 # wh00t 22.47.46 # harddrive = much more space... flash = much less susceptible to loosing it all after dropping it on the floor. ;) 22.48.22 # holy crap, the iAudio is expensive :( 22.48.43 # and yes, I am quite familiar with the concepts of "hard drive" and "flash memory" 22.48.53 # Which is it you're looking for then? 22.49.02 # not sure yet 22.49.17 # it could very well be that I will be looking for neither, as they all look pretty damn expensive :( 22.49.38 # Okay... I think that's the biggest thing to make a choice... 22.49.42 # second hand or refurb unit? 22.49.47 Quit cybikohacker (Client Quit) 22.50.02 # bluebrother: you reacted on my topid in the hardware forum about the remote controll 22.50.21 # zet - If you look around, you can have great deals on refurbished units... I paid my h10 5gb only 125$ canadian (so around $105 us) 22.50.27 # that was some while ago, wasn't it? 22.50.39 # * Zet looks up "refurbished" in the dictionary 22.50.51 # I can remember something from a couple of weeks ago 22.50.52 # yeah, I searched a bit more and was here a few times, I only need one more thing... 22.51.02 Join Zagnar [0] (i=4a80717a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0710509c201ade1a) 22.51.12 # do you support the iAudio X5L? 22.51.23 # Zet, yes 22.51.40 # how does rockbox check which remote is connected 22.51.58 # zet - Refurbished are players that had small problems or spent way too much time sitting in a box.. Sent back to a factory for verification and (small) fixes and put back on the market.. 22.52.03 # Bagder, bluebrother, anyone else: i got a response 22.52.19 # you can see a ADC value change when you connect the remote 22.53.00 # yeah I noticed that, I also noticed that it changed when I switch hold on and off, but where is the adc connected to... 22.53.15 # scorche: mr pimp? 22.53.19 # aye 22.53.22 # scorche, wow. 22.53.25 # here....let me paste 22.53.29 # * bluebrother gets impatient 22.53.38 # Yes, the software we use is RockBox. And the only thing we offer is an installation service with preinstalled skins. The RockBox Software in unchanged, so the original credits and logos of Rockbox are still there where they should be. The user also receives a copy of the license files. 22.53.38 # We do not sell the software, only the installation service. 22.53.38 # Also the skins are unchanged, just like they has been published for public use. 22.53.47 # are the Creative Zens any good? 22.54.13 # Zet, I don't know but if you intend to run Rockbox, they aren't supported yet. 22.54.17 # Zet - They ain't bad but aren't rockbox-able. 22.54.20 # oh yeah 22.54.38 # he seems to have forgotten about telling me it was his software that he wrote, the GPL issue, and thinks that just because the "skins" are unchanged, it makes it ok 22.54.52 Part lowlight 22.54.56 # the FAQs don't really say _why_ you don't support the iPod Nano 2nd gen. what so different about it? 22.55.06 # Zet: pretty much everything 22.55.13 # the hardware is vastly different 22.55.22 # plus the firmware is encrypted 22.55.34 # so was the H10's no? 22.55.59 # PaulPosition: they used very similar hardware to the ipod minis 22.56.02 # I see 22.56.28 # but yes, the h10 and sansa firmwares are encrypted 22.56.34 # I thought that the adc was connected to the hold button, so I soldered it loose and checked what the resistor value between the "hold"cable and the digital ground 22.56.44 # scorche, so that's all re replied? 22.57.06 # bluebrother: well, i took out the C YA at the bottom 22.57.31 # I looked at the website you mentioned on the forum thread earlier today. Doesn't make a good impression on me either. 22.57.43 # bluebrother: then connected a resistor of the same value between the loose hols cable and the ground, but rockbox didn't detect the remote correctly 22.57.51 # blue_lizard: his gaming site? 22.57.57 # errr....damn auto-complete 22.58.00 # hmm, I found a 1st Gen Nano in an online auction starting at 120 euros 22.58.12 # 2 GB 22.58.12 Quit Zagnar ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.58.24 # That's a lot of money for a 2gb unit, no? 22.58.24 # yeah, that game-something-site 22.58.25 # you can get refurbished ones from apple for cheap 22.59.29 # bluebrother: any idea? 22.59.48 # hmm. 23.00.02 Join ani-adom [0] (n=Shomakom@212.117.141.138.static.012.net.il) 23.00.49 # hi 23.00.54 # :X it's the only part Linus left out from his schematics and he didn't remeber what it was :P 23.01.00 # how does that "refurbished" stuff work? where do I look for one like that? 23.01.06 # were can i learn who to workwith patchs? 23.01.30 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 23.02.22 # ani-adom, search on the rockbox site, it could be quit a bit of work, working with them... 23.02.46 # :\ 23.03.14 # Zet: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?find=refurbished+ipod&btn.x=0&btn.y=0 23.03.21 # ani-adom, there is a wiki page. WorkingWithPatches or similar 23.03.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 23.03.38 # there should it be somewhere 23.03.59 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4802 i need this patch to work. who do apllay it? 23.04.18 # ani-adom: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WorkingWithPatches 23.05.35 # hm, looks like they aren't selling the smaller refurbished nanos there anymore 23.05.48 # ani-adom: but I can tell you right now that it will be a lot more than just aplying it because it is pretty old and the code has changed a lot 23.06.16 # n1s: ammmmmmmmm 23.06.52 # hcs: none of those seem to say which generation they are 23.07.01 # huh? Does this loop run even up to 10? 23.07.04 # #define DELAY do { int _x; for(_x=0;_x<10;_x++);} while (0) 23.07.14 # heh the gl'tterbox site crashed firefox :-) 23.07.24 # nevermind 23.07.25 # Zet: good point, I wouldn't know how to find that out, either 23.07.44 # my brain is kind of weared out tonight 23.08.04 # bluebrother: any Idea where to start searching? 23.08.59 # Zet: you might be able to tell by the quoted battery life, 2gs have somewhat longer 23.09.07 # I'm right now looking at firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h100/adc-h100.c 23.09.18 # pssh 23.09.27 # looks like the value gets read through i2c via a gpio pin 23.09.41 # maybe I'll just get a Walkman and some tapes :) 23.10.01 # Zet: what are you looking for? 23.10.38 # something that a) I can afford and b) I can run with free firmware 23.10.50 # but apparently I can't even find anything that satisfied a) alone :) 23.11.01 # "This wps needs backdrop, bitmap progress bar and scrolling margins to work" 23.11.24 # where can i get this bitmap progress bar and scrolling margins patch? 23.11.52 # ani-adom - On which target? There most probably is a build somewhere with all those patches applied... 23.12.04 # bluebrother: I know what al pins on the remote plug are for, but.... further 23.12.35 # i want it to h300-rmx wps. 23.12.47 # Zet: what do u want, hdd or flash, 1gb 2gb? 6gb? 20, 40, 60,80? 23.13.21 # ani-adom - Have you had a look at the misticriver forums where most if not all H3x0 hang..? 23.13.33 # ani-adom: Backdrop and bitmap progress should be in, I think. At least similar functionality is there; the theme might require more... 23.14.12 # dan_a: [22:47:22] 47015.5 fps <== w0w! 23.14.32 # Overclocked to 1GHz, or what? ;) 23.14.37 # PaulPosition: im on it right now.. 23.14.39 # Yeah, wish my 'desktop' had graphics fast as that.. :p 23.14.54 # amiconn: lcd_update() just kicks off a DMA transfer, so it returns really quickly 23.15.14 # It needs to wait for completion 23.15.14 # hmm, the remote connector is a digital interface, isn't it? 23.15.22 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42675 23.15.38 # ...or at least the next update must not start before the preceding dma transfer ended 23.15.39 # oh... gl'tter implemented viewports.... 23.15.58 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 23.17.01 # Even then you might run into serious problems 23.17.03 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7262.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.17.17 # Most drawing code simply doesn't expect asynchronous updates 23.17.29 # Bonusbartus, I guess that ring on the remote is simply the GND connector 23.17.44 # There might be subsequent changes to the framebuffer which aren't intended to be displayed yet 23.17.58 # amiconn: I'm working on it :) 23.18.00 # bluebrother: you guessed correct 23.18.34 # There is a reason why my dma-based H300 lcd update busywaits for the dma to complete... 23.18.49 # ... which leads me to the assumption there is some adc connected via spi to the iriver 23.18.52 Join jba [0] (n=jba@postoffice.rogen.com.au) 23.19.14 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 23.19.58 # and the adc value gets simply read by adc_scan(ADC_REMOTEDETECT) 23.20.16 # (adc-h100.c:107) 23.20.20 # bluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#Remote_Control 23.20.44 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 23.20.50 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.20.58 # ah. I was looking at the schematic 23.21.08 # how do u get my name colored when typing to me? 23.21.58 # when u read the adc schematic you see only two connections, adress 0 and 1, the normal buttons(inside layer) and the remote buttons 23.22.03 Quit ani-adom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.22.31 Join ani-adom [0] (n=Shomakom@212.117.141.138.static.012.net.il) 23.22.41 # adress 2 and 3 are used for(according to the rockbox debug menu) 2, battery, 3, remote_connect 23.22.47 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 23.23.26 # remote connect is the value I need, but I just can't find anywhere how and what is connected to that adress of the adc 23.23.27 # I guess it's simply reading some known data register. 23.24.02 # sounds simple :P, how do I fake that with my home brew remote 23.24.21 # Bonusbartus, your name gets colored when it appears on the current line. Nice thing that most irc clients do 23.24.47 # ok :) 23.24.55 # so the buttons are completely a resistor network? 23.26.22 # have you tried the BL pin? That could have a measurable pull-up 23.26.48 # yep except for the start button, which is a button with one resistor to ground 23.27.07 # BL? 23.27.08 # aaah. 23.27.12 # Backlight 23.27.26 # the remote generates a different value when hold is enabled. 23.27.47 # yeah I already said that :P, but ... 23.28.15 # maybe I'll have to look into this again once I've completed my civilian service 23.28.24 # I measured the resistor value between hold pin and digital ground 23.28.41 # my allowance just won't be enough for an MP3 player, it seems :/ 23.29.02 # Zet: What is your budget? 23.29.13 # and it doesn't work? 23.29.14 # dan_a: maybe 80 euros, max 23.29.25 # did you also measure up to the 3V line? 23.30.09 # well, I soldered the hold button loose, then connected a resistor with the measured value to the cable and the groud, but that didn't work 23.30.17 # whe is the 3v line? 23.30.19 Quit ani-adom (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.30.41 # I measured at the point where the cables are soldered to the remote board 23.30.56 Join ani-adom [0] (n=Shomakom@212.117.141.138.static.012.net.il) 23.31.12 Quit ani-adom (Client Quit) 23.31.33 # is any way how to automatically do the preprocess the whole source for selected target and get the clean source for this target ? 23.31.45 # Zet - Best thing is deblocking a budget, whatever the budget, and keeping it in the bank. Then have a look from time to time at sales from various outlets. You *will* find very attractive deals from time to time, and you'll need the money then. 23.32.07 # there shouldn't be a problem with other resistance in the cable, because I put my own restistor on the same place in the network 23.33.00 # kubiix - uh? What is it you mean? 23.33.10 # Zet - If you're good with hardware, you might be able to get 2 broken iPods off ebay and make one working one out of them 23.33.36 # zet or a player with damaged battery or zo 23.34.09 # PaulPosition: get the souce without unneded parts in #ifdef blocks for another target 23.35.29 # Oh... Dunno then, there might be something for that, you'd have to read the man page for cvs... 23.35.32 # bluebrother: problem is that I don't whant to fry my players mainboard... I got an old h120 with some very bad sectors on the harddisk, but even that one i don't want to kill 23.35.53 # Bonusbartus, see the wiki page you mentioned earlier. 23.36.10 # kubiix: I'm sure you can run the compiler with some flag to do only preprocessing or keep the files after build - check the gcc manual 23.36.27 # I still have somewhat the assumptions it's simply a voltage divider, so it's also connected to the 3V line 23.37.20 # I don't want to fry my player too -- it's an important working tool (for not getting distracted by the other students babbling around) 23.37.44 # yeah, I think that could be correct, that's the way the resistor network is connected to the adc 23.37.48 # hehe same here 23.37.50 # petur: i know about the flag E, but this works easy only for single file, not for so many files like in rockbox sources 23.38.05 # what are u studying? 23.38.15 # so I'd try to measure the remote between the hold pin and the 3V 23.38.22 # kubiix: you might need to tweak the makefile 23.38.28 # electronic science (if that's the correct english term) 23.38.43 # where u from? 23.39.14 # Germany. 23.39.39 # I study in germany ;) RWTH, I'm from Kerkrade, Holland 23.40.12 # I study Elektrotechnik und Informationstechnik... second year... 23.40.12 Quit dioz () 23.40.27 # I grew up in Freiburg (south germany), now I'm in Karlsruhe (a bit less south) 23.40.43 # :) 23.40.59 # hehe ... same here. When I started it was called "Elektrotechnik", later they renamed it to "Elektrotechnik und Informationstechnik" 23.41.13 Join newnick [0] (i=463c5e2e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.41.15 # hehe 23.41.35 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.41.40 Nick newnick is now known as Unleet (i=463c5e2e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-909305cc79dd311a) 23.41.45 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF7CAB.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.41.49 # but, between th hold pin and 3v, that would mean, that I need to measure inside the player itself... 23.41.52 # but my second year is already a bit ago ;-) 23.42.11 # no, I'd just measure that on the remote. 23.42.12 # :P 23.42.32 # unfortunately I don't have anything here to try it myself (except the remote) 23.42.35 # yeah, problem is, there is no 3v pin 23.42.48 # there is none? The wiki mentiones one 23.42.49 # I am using the IRIVER H10 and I am also using "Windows Vista Beta 2" with wmp11. My Vista is not finding the driver software for my H10 and therefore i cannot use it on my pc. Any advice? 23.42.58 Quit midkay_ ("*poff*") 23.43.01 # use rockbox :P 23.43.19 # Will rockbox detect my H10? 23.43.33 # Unleet, not directly. You need to use it in UMS mode 23.43.51 # no, windows should detect your player when it is running rockbox :P 23.44.14 # My computer cannot find the driver software for the H10 23.44.30 # reinstall the computer 23.44.35 # Im using vista beta 2 and every time i plug in the player it says it cant find the driver software 23.44.41 # i just did last night 23.44.41 # or even better, install a better OS :D 23.44.54 # hehe 23.45.12 # true but i just upgraded to the newest vista last night hoping to fix the porblem. no luck 23.45.28 # Unleet, this is not rockbox related. I guess the most people here just don't care. 23.45.40 # it's not for nothing a beta :) but you could try irivers firmware updater somewhere, with the latest updater you can switch back to mtp and ums and back 23.45.42 # Vista is a better os? 23.46.00 # No, Vista is horrible. I suggest using XP 23.46.10 # so why are you using vista? 23.46.20 # * bluebrother won't use vista on this machine ever 23.46.22 # My H10 is in mtp mode 23.46.38 # there is the ums trick ... see the wiki for details 23.46.41 # i know the ums trick but right now i just want my computer to recognize the H10 23.47.03 # no idea. Wrong OS, wrong firmware ;-) 23.47.15 # * petur won't use xp - ever 23.47.40 # w2k must have been the last (and only) fine os they made 23.47.42 # I guess ill go install XP again and read the manual to install rockbox 23.47.52 # * bluebrother managed to restrain xp to something really useable 23.48.03 # same here :P 23.48.15 # Is it true RockBox can play videos on the H10? 23.48.24 # I saw some video on youtube explaning the installation of Rockbox on a h10 ... the PC was running vista 23.48.31 # really? 23.48.36 # it can, but only basic m2v and without sound 23.48.52 # No sound... I see 23.48.53 # when the player is in ums windows shouldn't have any problem finding it 23.49.03 # sound hasn't been done yet. 23.49.09 # Ok well i havnt tried the ums trick in vista. 23.49.29 # as it would most probably require using the second core, which needs to be done first 23.49.36 # Thats my next step before reverting back to XP 23.49.37 Quit anathema (Nick collision from services.) 23.50.06 # bluebrother, there isn't a real 3v pin to the remote, the hold pin is connected to the ground connector (with some garbage between them), so the hold pin must be getting 3v inside the player 23.50.15 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 23.50.51 # Well, thank you for the help(kind of). I hope the ums trick recognizes the H10. 23.51.03 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IriverHardwareComponents/rmtconn.jpg 23.51.14 # any reason why bubbles (that plugin rocks) doesn't resize to take up as much of the screen as it can? 23.51.30 # the lowest blue label on top of the black jack 23.51.52 # jba, I guess simply because it hasn't been adjusted yet. Which player? 23.52.09 # was playing it on the train this morning, on my gigabeat 23.52.16 # am working on the gigabeat port 23.53.00 # bluebrother http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#Remote_Control 3v= Power for the lcd display... 23.53.13 # oh well 23.53.34 # I'll just look at players again in May 23.53.39 # until then, bye... 23.53.39 # yeah, but who tells you that isn't also used for a voltage divider? 23.53.41 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.53.44 Part Zet 23.54.40 # the non-lcd remote also has this pins 23.54.42 # Unleet: you could always boot a knoppix cd and use that for the install 23.54.53 # then you don't need to install an OS at all 23.55.26 # yeah, but the cable connected to it too?, I have that remote here, trying to open it now :P 23.55.56 # gigabeat would almost fit zet's budget (although its not fully supported... yet) 23.56.42 # it is running on it though.. just missing certain accessability options for people who can hear :) 23.56.44 # bluebrother: crap it's screwless.... trying harder... 23.56.46 # jba: uhmm... sorry I once started to adjust it (in the sim) but gave up on a certain point (that was before plugin button actions) but now that you have plugins running on the real target... 23.57.18 # it's such a cool plugin 23.58.17 # ...ok I'll see what I can do in the next days(no promise though) ;) 23.58.18 # there was some "opening guide" on iriverlounge.de 23.58.43 # * bluebrother just removed the clip from the remote ... didn't sound good 23.59.01 # site doesn't exist...