--- Log for 02.12.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 18 hours and 56 minutes ago 00.00.01 # when you "fix" it I mean 00.00.13 # i'd create the skin,a n set it up on a server 00.00.35 # not the hosting part, sorry 00.00.52 # bandwidth is precious when you already have 10,000 downlaods a day 00.01.05 # a _day_ ? 00.01.44 # as in 3.6 million per year? 00.02.01 # * Soap suspects monkey porn. Everybody loves monkeys. 00.03.22 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.03.25 # I can only boast 1 million per year 00.03.44 # Bagder: yes, those are the stats 00.03.55 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.171.85) 00.03.58 # we have over 3 million d/ls (but that stat is old) 00.04.15 # let me find the sf stats 00.04.30 # sf? then you don't host it yourself... 00.04.36 # http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=105508&ugn=clamwin 00.04.40 # the site we do, clamwin.com 00.04.48 # "bandwidth is precious when you already have 10,000 downlaods a day" 00.04.59 # yes 00.05.11 # then how can sf count the downloads? 00.05.28 # we have two servers doing load balancing to sustain things like new releases 00.05.32 Quit funky ("Lost terminal") 00.06.05 # i have cms stats too - they match the sf ones 00.06.13 # roughly 00.06.36 # I'm still curious how sf counts the downloads? 00.06.53 # don't they only count downloads off their servers? 00.07.04 # Project Web Hits and such match what we have 00.07.17 # Bagder: no idea really :) 00.08.05 # the download link points to... sf.net 00.08.14 # Bagder: funny thing is how big of a userbase we have and we have a tiny channel :D 00.09.03 # Bagder: yes, we chouldn't handle that w/o mirrors (currently the images and such are already big enough to cause us needing 2 servers) :-/ 00.09.47 # but at any rate, i'll set it up if you have the bandwidth 00.09.54 # we got really OT there for a sec ;) 00.10.32 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4fbc724cd69646fb) 00.11.47 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 00.11.49 # If you feel MediaWiki is not only superior, but also easier - the best thing to do would be set up a demo fork and let the decision makers play on it. 00.12.05 # Won't take much bandwidth as you don't need to make the address public. 00.12.33 # damned, just finished to build the latest version before i realize that my USB wire stayed at work ... 00.12.41 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 00.12.42 # But I, personally, believe such effort is better spent on content over delivery method. 00.13.11 # to me, the diff between the wikis aren't big enough to bother about 00.13.13 # Soap: at any rate an overhaul is needed 00.13.24 # you keep using that word. 00.13.27 # how many visually impared peopl use rb? 00.13.38 # more than enough. 00.13.42 # mick_home: quite a few 00.13.55 # then they should be taken into consideration, or? 00.14.29 # we haven't seen any complaints on the web site from those 00.14.38 # that I can recall at least 00.14.42 # mick_home: aren't they ? its there a compatibility trouble ? 00.14.42 # i mean not only w/ 508 compliance but w/ content too ImSureThatThisCan'tBeEasyToReadWithAscreenReader 00.14.51 # more than enough that it can be said that Wiki complaints aren't rolling in like 00.15.33 # but i may be wrong 00.16.01 # we have a large blind and otherwise visually impaired user base 00.16.03 # if someone visually impaired could try it then I'd like to actually hear from them (as i could stand correctedDD) 00.16.40 # i (as a non visually impared person) find those things difficult to read 00.16.55 # If media wiki is so easy, how about porting a wiki fork for the admins to play with? 00.17.01 # not *that* difficult, but enough to grab an asperin 00.17.29 # Soap: i may, but i want to mess w/ Desktop Tools 00.17.42 # once i'm done, i'd be more than happy to 00.18.04 # i think a good UI tool will have priority over this ;) 00.18.12 # mick_home: ive been told that if a website is easily readable with lynx navigator (text mode based), its good for blind people 00.18.43 # habana: that is assuming that youdon'thavearunonsentencelikethis 00.19.08 # but we don't 00.19.29 # and it is more like, if it passes section 500 - then it is most likely accessable or damn close to it 00.19.34 # they're only wiki names, they're not whole sentences 00.19.42 # Bagder: oh? isn't that how the wiki works :-P 00.20.33 # mick_home:thanks 00.20.48 # for? 00.21.00 # answer 00.21.00 # umm, ok "your welcome" --not sure what for :) 00.21.15 # np ;) 00.21.30 # maybe someone in #accessability could answer that 00.21.42 # as it may not even be a problem (and i just may be wrong) 00.21.52 # yes, even i may be wrong at times ;) 00.22.16 # * petur wonders if JdGordon's commit of 8 november broke settings saving somehow 00.22.54 # gtg 00.23.06 Quit petur ("tomorrow!") 00.23.31 Quit heyJulius ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.26.00 # habana: sorry, that was a typo i meant section 508* 00.26.32 # http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Ftwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FWebHome 00.26.44 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.26.45 # which the wiki fails 00.27.31 # I haven't seen a single complaint on the mailing list about the wiki 00.27.49 # And there are quite a lot of blind users (the voice ui is a major feature) 00.28.21 # good, then i can skip that part and concentrate on the Desktop stuff 00.29.04 # I would think so. I believe you're the first person to really express dislike for twiki 00.29.28 # Other than "oh, this is not what I'm used to" 00.29.50 # hmm, interesting 00.29.53 # * Bagder pointed webxact2.watchfire.com at wikiepedia => usability warnings overflow 00.30.05 # i.e it is not a software thing 00.30.15 # ok, i guess since i'm the only one - so i definitely will stop w/ that one 00.30.21 # to maximize that, you need to take care when you edit pages 00.30.42 # Bagder: pardon? 00.30.50 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.30.56 # what do you mean? can you elaborate? 00.31.00 # Accessibility doesn't come with your flavour of wiki 00.31.16 # no matter what type, you can screw up or do good 00.31.18 # mediawiki? i just saw :) 00.31.27 # http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clamwin.com passes 00.31.36 # http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.clamwin.com fails ;) 00.32.19 # i'll see i it is something that i need to look into or not 00.32.20 # I think unless we're going for a US government grant, "no complaints ever" is good enough to not worry about 508 00.32.41 # i guess youa re right 00.32.54 # it is about the only thing that i can do personally to test 00.33.06 # screen readers are expensive :-( 00.33.16 # watchfire found numerous warnings in your front page wiki 00.33.21 # so automated testing is the only way i can go 00.33.39 # Bagder: that is what i said, it fails ;) 00.33.54 # i concentrated so much on the frontpage w/o thinking about the wiki 00.34.13 # but end users don't use our wiki 00.34.20 # it is more for developers 00.34.29 # so whatever - if it comes up i'll fix it 00.34.52 # and since you guys have no complains, moving on ... nothing to see here ;) 00.36.53 Quit midgey () 00.42.34 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.44.21 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 00.48.04 Join donos [0] (i=user@ip68-96-112-40.lu.dl.cox.net) 01.03.25 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.03.45 Quit Jaelae (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.04.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.06.20 # good day all. i just wanted to say that i found rockbox yesterday and am having a terrific time with it. if there are any devs in here, cheers! you are amazing! 01.07.28 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 01.10.05 # out of curiosity, what device do you own donos? 01.10.15 # ipod 5th gen 01.12.22 # i've been trying to confirm that the ipod's firmware was the reason my audiobooks were having problems playing through to the end, and somehow i discovered rockbox through the link maze. it has no problems with the files, and also handles the few flac files that i have hanging around, so it's been perfect. 01.13.30 # it was a bit ugly, but the jBlackGlass theme fixed that up nicely, and i've been showing it off all day ;) 01.14.22 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.171.85) 01.14.23 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.15.05 # man, i need to check my encodes for this album...got some weird artifacting going on 01.15.12 # dunno if it's the encoding or decoding 01.19.10 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@24.21.214.17) 01.23.37 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 01.25.57 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.36.49 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.36.56 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p549859B3.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.46.30 Quit gotthardt ("CGI:IRC") 01.49.41 # dd if=/dev/Bagder1 of=Bagder.bin 01.49.41 # ./brainhack --fragment-memory=1 --random-cluster-fault=1 -o Bagder_hack.bin Bagder.bin 01.49.41 # dd if=Bagder_hack.bin of=/dev/Bagder1 01.49.46 # muhahahaha... 01.50.04 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-26-169.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 01.50.36 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01.50.42 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.58.13 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 02.00.13 Part linuxstb_ ("Leaving") 02.04.50 Quit donos ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 02.12.31 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.19.24 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.32.39 Quit JoeBorn ("reboot: please remain calm.") 02.36.46 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-26-169.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 02.40.15 Quit midkay ("*poff*") 02.40.46 Quit n1s ("Leaving.") 02.41.41 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Remote closed the connection) 02.42.19 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.171.85) 02.43.51 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@c-24-21-214-17.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 02.48.07 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54933787.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.55.23 Join ani-adom [0] (n=Shomakom@212.117.141.138.static.012.net.il) 02.55.36 # hi 02.55.55 # with which software i can edit wps? 02.57.39 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.57.40 # they're just text files and bitmaps 02.57.48 # yes 02.57.57 # the bitmaps are the problm 02.58.14 # just about every graphics program works with bitmaps 02.58.23 # mmmmmmmmm 02.58.42 # but i dont know the size of the iriver screen 02.59.00 # the size is stated on the wiki i think 02.59.50 # is there any software like h30mode? 03.00.16 # I don't know what that is, sorry 03.03.01 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 03.04.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.05.39 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@c-24-21-214-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.08.40 # wps supports bitmaps? nice... 03.08.49 # * Nibbier should get some rockbox device again :| 03.10.07 # it doesn't support tifs :P 03.27.55 # not even big tifs 03.28.42 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.29.37 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.171.85) 03.33.11 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 03.35.37 Join mick_home_ [0] (n=clamwin@clamwin/admin/mickhome) 03.35.53 # hm.. what time does the daily builds usually getr updated at?, preferably with a timezone attached.. 03.36.51 Nick mick_home_ is now known as mick_linux (n=clamwin@clamwin/admin/mickhome) 03.37.01 Quit mick_home (Nick collision from services.) 03.37.26 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.37.37 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.171.85) 03.40.44 Join webguest71 [0] (i=41bdf751@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 03.40.47 # hey 03.41.01 # anyone have any screen shots or rockbox someone could show me? 03.41.11 # if you could email them 2 me at tssdan@gmail.com that would be sweet 03.41.53 # webguest71 http://rockbox-themes.org 03.41.54 Quit webguest71 (Client Quit) 03.42.02 # mmmmmmmm 03.43.32 Quit midgey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.44.19 # mmm? 03.53.46 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.53.55 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@81.5.171.85) 03.54.01 Quit ani-adom (":") 03.55.23 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 03.58.12 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202.89.153.107) 04.00.54 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.02.49 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 04.02.59 Part pixelma 04.03.31 Part Paul_the_Nerd 04.07.30 Join Variable [0] (n=A@c-24-21-214-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.09.07 # mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? 04.13.23 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 04.21.17 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.23.56 Nick Variable is now known as Rudy4Pez (n=A@c-24-21-214-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.28.35 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.36.35 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.38.51 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 04.48.03 Join odla [0] (n=Elive_us@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net) 04.48.47 # hi i am syncing my ipod with gtkpod and when i add music to it i can't see it on my ipod after i disconnect it...do i need to update my rockbox before it sees the additions? i know they are really there cause i can see them when i reconnect my ipod 04.49.15 # wth 04.49.20 # why use gtkpod with rockbox/ 04.49.22 # that's a silly idea 04.49.35 # why? what else should i use? 04.49.44 # nautilus? `cp`? 04.49.57 # rockbox is drag'n'drop file storage 04.50.04 # no shit? really? 04.50.07 # straight up 04.50.11 # cool... 04.50.14 # that's half the point, to not rely on gay shit like itunes 04.50.54 # where do i drag the music to? 04.51.07 # anywhere, lol 04.51.21 # I usually put it in \Music\Artist\Album\ 04.51.29 # personal preference though ) 04.51.46 # right now stuff is all broken up in iPod_Control Music 04.51.56 # so i can delete that and start adding my music by dragging? 04.51.59 # yup 04.52.11 # then just use the file browser on your ipod w/ rockbox to find the folder 04.52.14 # or generate a playlist 04.52.19 # or enable tagcache and use the id3 tag browser 04.52.19 # ok 04.52.30 # well rockbox really is fucking cool 04.52.37 # aye, tis 04.52.59 # what sold me was drag'n'drop support. beats the crap out of itunes or plugins for other players 04.53.08 # only unfortunate ting is players that detect iPods freak out on it 04.53.33 # i only use linux for this shit anyways so it won't be an issue 04.55.27 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.59.45 # ok when i am trying to scroll the ipod wheel it keeps scrolling me up an extra space...does that make sense? should i update my ipod? 05.00.18 # I like that i can put on a black background increasing battery life by 1.94% 05.00.24 # :P 05.02.17 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16E97.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.04.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.09.26 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-79-223-98.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 05.09.38 # hey i have a photo on my ipod nano now and i can't make it go away :p 05.09.39 Quit niskel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.09.47 # restart it 05.11.06 # dj-fu, i guess it was in slideshow mode or something 05.11.18 # soundsl ike it 05.11.18 # odla: no...it was in the jpegviewer 05.11.31 # check the manual, and it will tell you how to get out of it ;) 05.14.12 # yeah i see now 05.14.24 # i can't believe how much more functionality it seems my ipod has now! 05.14.31 # great work rockbox devs :) 05.17.04 # * myzar licks scorche 05.17.30 # * scorche sprays anti-lick spray on himself 05.18.07 # * myzar patches code to counter scorche's anti-lick spray 05.18.15 # always a step ahead ;P 05.18.33 # * scorche counter counters myzar 05.18.39 # and i am a better coder than you ;) 05.20.10 # only if you program in basic 05.20.12 # ha ha! 05.20.18 # ugh... 05.22.24 # lol...is pacman suppose to be sideways? 05.34.07 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 05.37.50 # anyone know christi? 05.38.06 # tell her that her spam filtering sucks :-P 05.38.25 # my ISP's SMTP server is blacklisted 05.38.48 # hm.. we need a periodic table for the rockbox, wikipedia is getting worked on :P 05.39.07 # zylche: what do you mean? 05.39.21 # a plugin, for finding information on elements, etc 05.39.37 # Reason that my email bounced: Blacklisted site `[205.152.59.52]' [Irritated] 05.40.03 # anonymous email websites + proxy = anonymous email websites 05.40.14 # [they usually add ip to bottom, lets not even talk about headers] 05.40.22 # anonymous email websites? 05.41.17 # mail.bellsouth.net is my ISP's SMTP server, which they require me to use. (using another is against the TOS and I can get my service revoked) 05.41.48 # so stupid spam filters don't work w/ stupid ISPs :-P 05.42.15 # i can also not email the selenium ide mailing list (or admins for that matter) 05.42.22 # argh this stuff irritates me 05.42.33 # some types of spam filterrrrring just don't work 05.42.39 # this is a perfect example 05.42.59 # same w/ that other one that makes you email from an smtp server w/ the same domain 05.43.12 # now spamassasin, that kicks 05.43.25 # ..wait.. 05.43.43 # your isp forces you to use their email, or they'll not allow you internet access? 05.43.44 # lol 05.43.59 # it is to "prevent spam" ;) 05.44.22 # and i'm serious too 05.44.39 # stupid people + policies just don't mix 05.45.26 # hehehe, we all know it's so they can monitor you easier. 05.45.46 # I guess if they notice any tor connections they'll think your either a hacker or a pedo? 05.46.21 # i guess - lol 05.46.59 # so does anyone know her? 05.47.31 # if so, can you please relay the message for me that i'd like to help her out w/ the DesktopTools stuff 05.48.08 # * zylche pokes the channel with a long pointy stick. 05.50.25 # zylche: hey now....i have Long Pointy Stick trademarked 05.50.42 # Not if Pi has anything to do with it. 05.50.48 # * zylche patents long pointy sticks 05.50.52 # * zylche patents long pointy sticking 05.50.56 # * zylche patents long pointy stick things 05.55.22 Join Angus007 [0] (n=blah@69.149.154.165) 06.02.31 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.04.01 Quit MacIver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.08.27 Nick Angus007 is now known as MacIver (n=blah@69.149.154.165) 06.09.00 Part odla ("I'm E powered") 06.17.24 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.20.09 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-35-217-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 06.20.22 # how do you install rockbox on an ipod in linux 06.22.17 # only some ipods will work with rockbox 06.24.42 # corevette: see the manual 06.24.50 # I'd try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux 06.25.11 Quit corevette ("Leaving") 06.41.00 Quit Bjoern-Erik ("leaving") 06.42.06 Join wladston [0] (n=wladston@BHE200139189248.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) 06.43.06 Join Davo_Dinkum [0] (n=david@203-214-122-219.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.45.09 # Is it possible to completely replace the Apple firmware with rockbox? 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08.20.15 Nick jba_ is now known as jba (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 08.23.43 # Supported means something different in ipl 08.30.20 # i'm rockboxed again! 08.30.32 # now i need some fonts, because green5g didn't appear correctly 08.30.53 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host221-147.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 08.31.31 # rasher, i just saw that thanks 08.59.22 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 09.04.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.06.14 Join mosh [0] (n=d@adsl-69-224-1-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 09.06.31 # sup :> 09.06.49 # any improvements made with battery use + ipod recently? 09.07.38 # mosh: there is a changelog on the front page for a reason ;) 09.07.42 # i have a 5g 09.07.54 # haven't checked in for months :/ 09.08.20 # well, luckily there are links that will even take you back to the 2.5 release 09.08.35 # right above the commit log 09.12.10 # reading through all changes has been a nightmare for me, i never find what i am looking for most goes over my head, wish it wasn't this way but it is... 09.14.01 # i wish there was a script that went through my collection and automaticly grabbed the bmp files for covers correct size and everything, doing it by hand for a big collection has got to suck.. 09.18.18 # There is not. 09.18.23 # There is about 800 of such scripts 09.18.38 # Each worse than the other 09.18.42 # lol 09.18.54 # i started by hand already anyway 09.19.54 # I ended up writing something by hand that used perl amazon bindings and downloaded every cover it could find, so I had to delete everything I didn't want 09.19.56 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 09.20.04 # where have you found the best place to get cover bmps? 09.20.06 # But that worked out okay for me 09.20.11 # Amazon and wikipedia 09.20.32 # It all depends on your collection of course 09.20.37 # amazon gives jpg, at least firefox saves it that way 09.20.50 # oh, bmps, well that can be mass-converted later 09.20.59 # I shouldn't hope any place delivered BMP covers 09.21.13 # heh 09.27.37 # imho the best solution is using foobar2000 + run plugin + coverdownloader from hydrogenaudio forums 09.28.05 # if your albums are properly tagged you just rightclick on a song in the album, run coverdownloader and then doubleclick on the the cover that is best, and it is automatically saved 09.28.27 # I've tried a lot of different programs for downloading covers, this works best for me 09.29.36 # coverdownloader also handles a lot of different sites, all handles by python scripts 09.29.42 # so you could even write your own extensions 09.30.26 # amazon, walmart and itunes are the best though 09.30.47 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-7-11.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 09.31.52 # foobar is annoying though 09.31.55 # Plus, Windows. 09.32.43 # foobar is the best;P 09.33.12 # windows is the best XP 09.33.26 # meh 09.33.48 # I wish I had the time to switch to linux as my desktop 09.34.15 # heh 09.34.24 # just takes too much time to learn everything again 09.34.41 # well 09.34.59 # you didn't think it comes for free right? 09.35.10 # what? 09.35.22 # ofcourse not 09.35.26 # that's my entire point 09.35.33 # it's not worth it 09.35.55 # I use linux on my laptop and my servers 09.36.01 # well then I guess you are making my point 09.36.12 # no I'm not 09.36.24 # then you have already spent the time to learn it 09.36.44 # I know it, just not as well as my windows desktop 09.37.22 # meh 09.37.33 # just for the desktop, you are better off with windows anyway 09.38.12 # If I were to switch to linux as my desktop fulltime I'd have to redo all the tricks and knowledge I already have 09.38.59 # imo some of your tricks or knowledge will never be applicable 09.39.10 # that's my point 09.39.17 # I'd have to redo it all 09.39.22 # custom programs 09.39.24 # custom scripts 09.39.32 # custom everything I use for my desktop 09.39.37 # heh 09.39.43 # having to redo it all is just too much work 09.39.45 # not worth it 09.39.48 # I'd like to see you custom an itunes, or WMP 09.39.56 # huh? 09.39.57 # just for starters 09.40.03 # itunes and wmp suck 09.40.28 # well then what do you use with your windows desktop? 09.40.30 # linux has way superior programs, amarok for example 09.40.35 # I use foobar2000 09.40.39 # with my own custom setup 09.40.58 # for my shell I use litestep with my own theme and custom plugins 09.41.21 # almost all programs I use I've customized and changed to work just how I want it;P 09.41.29 # ok then 09.41.43 # litestep? 09.41.47 # yes 09.41.52 # modular shell 09.41.57 # what's that? 09.41.59 # replaces explorer 09.42.16 Quit jba ("Leaving") 09.42.22 # explorer is the start menu, taskbar and file browser 09.42.35 # litestep replaces it and allows you to write your own plugins that handle all that 09.42.58 # then you can build your own setup 09.43.06 # using scripts or native code 09.43.18 # oooook.... 09.43.41 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 09.43.52 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 09.43.53 # the setup I use now is 3-4 years old, if I had to port all that to linux it would take waaay too much time;P 09.46.26 # well I guess if your that extreme nothing would suit you better 09.46.55 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 09.49.59 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.53.16 Quit secleinteer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.01.43 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 10.06.41 Quit shattered (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.06.41 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 10.06.41 Quit webmind (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.06.41 Quit pabs (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.06.41 Quit courtc (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.06.41 Quit slarti (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.06.41 Quit Presence (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.06.41 Quit ToyKeeper (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.06.41 Quit Kohlrabi (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.07.01 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 10.07.01 NJoin shattered [0] (n=svs@212.5.80.73) 10.07.01 NJoin webmind [0] (i=webmind@194.145.200.126) 10.07.01 NJoin pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 10.07.01 NJoin courtc [0] (n=court@71.199.169.45) 10.07.01 NJoin slarti [0] (i=tom@gentoo/developer/slarti) 10.07.01 NJoin ToyKeeper [0] (i=spanky@24.9.90.246) 10.07.01 NJoin Presence [0] (n=presence@66.239.107.163) 10.07.01 NJoin Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@81.169.178.165) 10.14.55 Part nave7693 10.17.18 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.45.29 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@a82-93-10-238.adsl.xs4all.nl) 10.52.12 Nick jba is now known as jba_dinner (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 11.01.13 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.04.11 Nick jba_dinner is now known as jba (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 11.04.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.05.30 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 11.14.06 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@c-66-177-58-16.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 11.21.10 Quit powr-toc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.24.09 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 11.28.41 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.29.03 # evening all 11.29.43 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-146-239.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 11.30.14 Join bluebrother [0] (i=QVPYWrgF@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 11.30.35 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.31.43 # anyone up yet? 11.31.54 # I haven't been to bed yet... 11.32.00 # nor have I 11.32.01 # I live in New Zealand though 11.32.06 # GMT +12 11.32.16 # so its only 11.30.. not bed time yet 11.32.18 # GMT -4/5, been up all night 11.32.47 # rasher: do you have a script for dling covers for *nix i don't use windows 11.32.50 # hcs: tired yet? 11.33.02 # yeah 11.33.16 # went to a great concert, ripping and tagging the CDs I bought 11.33.20 # JdGordon, an auusie also eh? 11.33.25 # yea 11.33.29 # hehe 11.33.54 # saturday night and i'm trying to get ipl on my ipod 4G. want to still use itunes db, would be much easier if rb could do it 11.34.15 # im sick, so i have an excuse to be here all night 11.34.38 # i'm married with a kid and another not far around the corner 11.34.40 # mosh: not anything useful enough to share.. it was really a one-time thing.. might even have deleted some parts 11.34.45 # so my excuse beats yours 11.34.57 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549663E9.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.36.09 # ok, you win 11.36.59 # But at what cost 11.37.17 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 11.37.47 # rasher: not that i really care or anything... but my locaito never made it onto your page ;'( 11.38.40 Quit alberink ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 11.38.47 # JdGordon: Hm, strange. I disallow additions from time to time if they look strange, something might have gone wrong. Try again 11.39.05 # it was ages ago, but i never could b bothered chasin it up 11.39.05 # ah JdGordon... got a question for ya 11.39.09 # shoot 11.39.17 # something's weird with settings saving 11.39.41 # when changing a setting and shutting down within the menu it won't save to disk 11.39.42 # Hrrrm, FLAC is clearly less efficient compression-wise than I hoped... :( 11.40.14 # JdGordon: I see you on the list. In Melbourne. 11.40.16 # I am just now learning the exact same thing 11.40.41 # petur: shutting down while your in the menu? um... i guess its because it doesnt register to save untill exiting the menus, so it makes sence 11.40.44 # rasher: oh ok 11.40.46 # Almost everything I throw at it ends up at 60..70% original size 11.40.48 # JdGordon: Submissions don't appear instantly - which is explained when you submit 11.41.10 # and I don't know how dircache saves its state but richt now it always gives me a Scanning splash and Moos says this should only happen the first boot 11.41.16 # That is with flac -8 of course 11.41.19 # rasher: no, i sumitted ages ago, like aronud when it firs went online 11.41.46 # petur: righto, ill check it out 11.42.00 # JdGordon: Well, you're here on the list. Maybe you had the exact same coordinates as someone else? 11.42.07 # maybe 11.42.20 # Let's try the google maps interface of doom 11.43.54 # petur: The config being not saved before leaving the menu has always been the way it works 11.44.30 # amiconn: any chance you'll be able t have a look at the rtc settings code in the next few days please? 11.44.44 # oh, is it? 11.45.09 # hmmm.. and how does dircache actually behave splashwise? 11.45.18 # I don't know 11.45.32 # You know, that's a feature I never use... 11.45.36 # * amiconn hates it 11.45.39 # :) 11.48.53 # rasher: JdGordon is hidden behind "The Purple Nazz" on the map 11.49.10 # * JdGordon wonders if pixelma is stalking me... 11.49.20 # pixelma: Yeah, and it seems my map has a bug.. 11.50.04 # amiconn: lets say the only thing in the patch that wasnt ready was the trc settings... is tha a big deal? 11.50.17 # * JdGordon would really like t get this commited soon 11.55.02 # heh, my position in the map is about 50km south of where I placed it, and it won't move 11.55.18 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-087-240.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.55.43 # JdGordon: do you mean the menu settings recoding thing? 11.55.48 # ye 11.56.15 # ok... I'll test on Ondio then (guess that hasn't been done before...) 11.56.21 # yay :) 11.56.27 # just bfore you do 11.56.28 # n1s: Sometimes the values get rounded to the nearest int, and I have NO idea why 11.56.45 # nothing at themoment is saved to the RTC... so i dont kow if thats a problem or not 11.56.48 # n1s: you should be able to change it though.. 11.56.54 # does the ondio have rtc ram? 11.56.59 # JdGordon: well the Ondio has no RTC 11.57.06 # ok then 11.57.52 # * JdGordon wonders why the hell theme files are saving relative instead of full path! 11.58.14 # Config sector size thing 11.58.18 # I imagine 11.58.27 # * jba wonders whi the menu in rockbox isn't able to be themed more like the WPS 11.58.43 # jba: patients... eventually it probably will 11.59.06 # hehe, true that 11.59.13 # rasher: I rekon more code is wasted for the special case to put the full path back, than the RAM needed t store the full path 11.59.16 Part mosh 11.59.41 # weird... dircache_load() is only called if HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS is defined? Or do I miss something? 12.00.03 # where? 12.00.13 # main.c 12.00.16 # JdGordon: But isn't it because there's little/no room in the config block? 12.00.19 # rasher: tried again "Your update has been recorded, and will be effective once it's been approved." 12.00.21 # Or am I misunderstanding 12.00.25 # n1s: I'll see 12.00.28 # rasher: ah yes, your correct 12.00.39 # n1s: That worked 12.00.45 # yay 12.01.50 # petur: the dircache will need to scan the disk on every boot to see if the OF has messed with it while if rockbox is flashed ther's no OF and the bootloader usb mode sets some dirty flag or something. 12.02.29 # aha 12.02.46 Quit Seed (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.03.16 # rasher, JdGordon: There are several reasons why the path is left out. 12.03.30 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.03.39 # apart from config block size? 12.03.45 # so now I need to figure out why it's not scanning in the background. It should do that in the background, no? 12.04.17 Join Guest52768 [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 12.05.30 # petur: I don't know... 12.05.39 # JdGordon: (1) config block size (2) RAM usage in global_settings (3) The path for each kind of file is fixed if it's permanent 12.05.44 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 12.05.59 # Files outside the standard path are temporary and not stored in the settings. That's a feature 12.06.26 # so whats the logic in saving the full path into the cfg file? 12.06.46 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 12.07.01 # n1s: Looks like I lied to you. You are still at the old .00000 location. It seems I have more bugs. 12.08.01 # JdGordon: Huh? 12.08.23 # rasher: oh... well doesn't matter really 12.08.33 # odd 12.08.45 # the full path for the wps is saved t the .cfg file. if the path is fixed this isnt needed? 12.09.01 # unless the cvs build im using isnt really cvs 12.09.04 # Hmm, I guess that needs more cleanup then, and a decision... 12.09.10 # Slasheri: ping? 12.09.23 # # .cfg file created by rockbox 061126-1731 - http://www.rockbox.org 12.09.25 # n1s: Well, I hate buggy code.. 12.10.54 # n1s: The weirdest part is why your location got truncated in the first place. It happens randomly that all submissions during a 4-5 hour period are truncated to ints, after that, I get proper submissions again. 12.11.31 # so it's a "fun" bug :-) 12.11.50 # JdGordon: Well, config files can set values which aren't stored permanently, so I guess it makes sense 12.12.35 # Some questions arise: 12.12.46 # yeah, full path is saved currently, I'd be happy to break that 12.12.52 # (1) Which is better, storing the file without path in global_settings and let every module concatenate path & filename, or store the full path in ram as well? 12.12.57 # but I can do it in a way to make it sort of work 12.13.23 # (2) Do we want to keep the feature that everything outside the standard dirs is temporary? 12.14.20 Quit Guest52768 ("lini has no reason") 12.14.22 # well, the current way (cvs) is exactly (1) which works, but the saving to disk will need special cases which arent so nice 12.14.24 Join Guest52768 [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 12.14.38 # but that could be hacked into the settins list for the items 12.14.43 # so no real big deal 12.14.48 # tiny size bump tho 12.15.05 # bbl 12.15.06 Quit lini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.15.07 # This is the phrase that makes amiconn explode. 12.16.12 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 12.16.21 # amiconn: ok, im goi to keep backwards copatibility.. i know an easy ay to do it, seen as tge default for all these files are "" I can use that string to save the path 12.16.30 # unless in the future we want nicer default themes 12.16.53 # I think it would be nice to allow users to store files outside .rockbox if they want to - i.e. drop the hard-coded paths. 12.17.12 # and up the mem usage to MAX_PATH for each setting? 12.17.41 # How many path settings are there? 12.17.45 # petur: pong 12.17.59 # And can't you already (in theory) risk having a 255 character filename within .rockbox? 12.18.01 # rasher: 7 12.18.04 Quit Guest52768 (Client Quit) 12.18.07 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 12.18.13 # How large is the buffer currently? 12.18.17 # 20 12.18.24 # so yes, easy to overflow it 12.18.32 # * jba 's 5 cents worth, i like being forced to keep all my "alternate" os files in one location, makes it easier to housclean 12.18.34 # Slasheri: is it normal for dircache to always show the Scanning splash at boot? 12.18.38 # petur: dircache state can't be loaded from disk unless eeprom is used by rockbox 12.18.40 # JdGordon: Is it checked for overflow? 12.18.50 # petur: no, that seems to be a bug with ipods at least 12.19.00 # i just noticed it myself too 12.19.01 # I have it here too (h340) 12.19.12 # rasher: yes 12.19.23 # ah, weird.. then i haven't noticed it because i had rockbox in flash on h140 12.19.28 # * amiconn tries to find out how important that feature is... 12.19.30 # it happened after I disabled it and then re-enabled. It was working fine before that I think 12.19.34 # well, not so easy to overflow it then.. Just.. pretty limiting 12.19.37 # Well, reducing the size of paths stored in RAM is a good reason to keep the limit, so I don't mind either way. 12.19.41 # rasher: actually.. not really 12.19.45 # but can't fix it until next week because i forget the apple usb cable in work place 12.20.24 # petur: but if you could find the problem, please fix it :) 12.20.25 # I was having a peek but I'm new to the code and now real-life ended my trial anyway :/ 12.20.29 # One important point is that .cfg files used to store full path, which should be kept that way imho 12.20.30 # its either increase of RAM by about 2kb or increase of bin size for the special cases 12.20.33 # Slasheri: Buy yourself a cheap dock to keep at home... 12.20.38 # maybe later today 12.20.48 # But now we're using a .cfg file for the bootup config as well, which implies loading the full path 12.20.52 # * JdGordon is happy eother way 12.20.52 # linuxstb: yeah, i need to buy a second cable at least.. 12.21.01 # now it's pain to always carry the cable with 12.21.01 # * petur runs off again for duties... 12.21.18 # ...because the bootup .cfg shouldn't be any more special apart from its name 12.21.44 # fine.. full path it is 12.22.00 # In .cfg, definitely. 12.22.09 # The question is what to do in RAM 12.22.17 # How many such paths do we mave? 12.22.20 # toss a coin? 12.22.26 # 7 worse case 12.22.28 # Why do we need the full path in the .cfg, if it's relative to a hard-coded path? 12.22.29 # (Most important on the low-ram targets) 12.23.03 # linuxstb: .cfg isn't relative to hard-coded path 12.23.23 # Ah, so you can load something temporarily? 12.23.30 Join aevin [0] (n=brootvor@150.80-203-127.nextgentel.com) 12.23.34 Part aevin 12.24.08 # yes, and what will happen is a possibly non-existant filename will be saved to the cfg file 12.24.16 # which means no wps next load 12.24.29 # Nah 12.24.38 # nah? 12.24.41 # Then rockbox will fall back to the built-in default 12.24.57 # yeah... thats what i meant by none 12.25.08 # I tend to think that storing the full path internally would be better, even if it costs RAM :/ 12.25.48 # It would make it easier to fall back to the previous file if the new one fails (e.g. for backdrop) 12.25.51 # bin usage would be about 40bytes extra for each setting if we want t keep ram usage donw 12.26.06 # + code to handle it 12.26.30 # actually, less than 40bytes.. 12.26.36 # ...which isn't possible with the current solution. Now rb cannot fall back if the previous background was temporary 12.26.52 # /path/realtive/to/.rockbox/%s. would be saved for each 12.27.16 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.27.43 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p549849B2.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.29.10 # so... decision? 12.29.58 # JdGordon: first impression... argh - I don't want the settings to _not_ update live 12.30.34 # Live settings is a must 12.31.25 # also the default display contrast for Ondio (probably other Archoses) is much too high (set to 40 - while I turn it to 29/30) and somehow changing it only moved the tick 12.32.11 # (I run the build with Rolo though - shouldn't make a difference but maybe it does?) 12.32.18 # its useing the DEFAULT_CONTRAST_SETTING define.. so maybe thats too high... 12.32.29 # Probably the new settings code doesn't properly ask the lcd driver for the default contrast 12.32.55 # JdGordon: The default contrast on archos isn't fixed, it can be one of 2 values depending on hardware version 12.33.04 # oh 12.33.29 # JdGordon: but changing has no visible effect - only the tick moves, the contrast doesn't get changed 12.34.16 # I wonder why you don't compare to how existing code works.... it's not the first time... :/ 12.34.22 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@241.80-202-109.nextgentel.com) 12.34.28 # does the contrsat setting have a callback? 12.34.39 # amiconn: last conut there was 180 odd settings, i cant check every one 12.34.46 # especially when i dont have every target 12.35.08 # this is why im here asking for help... 12.35.28 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1477F.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.36.34 # ah... JdGordon: when I leave the settings menu it gets changed - another disadvantage of the settings not being live I guess 12.36.57 # pixelma: can you try changing the second NULL to lcd_set_contrast in settins_list.c line 186? 12.37.07 # that shuold make it work when you move the tick 12.39.18 # hmm... if this was also the flyspray task I commented on I had those problems in other settings to - I'll try sound setting and so on first 12.39.42 # *too 12.39.48 # * JdGordon hasnt had any emails from flyspray on that patch since yesterday 12.39.59 # it's been a while 12.40.09 # then its a diffrent one... 12.41.46 # JdGordon: For the default contrast, you need to call lcd_default_contrast() 12.42.00 # On archos this returns either 49 or 31 depending on hw version 12.42.18 # cant really do that with this code... 12.42.28 # split the diff and go 37? 12.44.26 # ah.. sound setting are updated live... 12.45.18 # so he general consensus is store full path in RAM ? 12.45.21 # sorry for the false alarm (maybe I mixed it in my mind with the other patch because of the "ticks") 12.45.30 # maybe 12.45.44 # but i tihnk alot of the settings are not live 12.46.18 # and stuff which need a function call wont happen untill exiting the menu until they are noticed and fixed, like contrast 12.46.37 # JdGordon: I wonder why... iirc this isn't the only setting with a dynamic default. 12.47.01 # because it never even occured to me? 12.47.06 # which others have? 12.47.09 # You can't simply choose the average. 40 is way too dark on newer units (where the default would be 31), and way too bright on older units 12.47.23 # That's why there is that funtction 12.48.14 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 12.48.16 # ok, if the functio pointer is type cast to an int then it can be handled fine 12.48.38 # still got 20 odd bits of the flag int spare 12.48.39 # All sound settings for instance... 12.48.53 # sound is fine because thats handled with special code for all of them 12.49.06 # this adds theneed for obscure cases 12.49.24 # global_settings.volume = sound_default(SOUND_VOLUME); 12.49.26 # etc 12.50.02 # int flags; /* ____ ____ ____ ____ TFRV SRTS HRSC STTT */ <- need a better way to visualise this int :p 12.50.17 # JdGordon: otherwise the patch seems to be ok - settings got stored and loaded correctly when I rebooted and rolo'ed in again 12.50.26 # yay :) 12.50.38 # can you run it for a few dyas and let me know if anythin else is funny? 12.50.41 # Btw, RoLo needs to be split in high-level and low-level part 12.50.44 # will test a bit further though ;) 12.50.48 # The current implementation is dirty 12.51.14 # JdGordon: What would the patch store in rtc ram? 12.51.24 # I dont know 12.51.34 # anything thatneeds to be set before reading from disk 12.51.42 # Imho the rtc ram should only store the most volatile values, in order to save the need for a spinup on powerdown 12.52.17 # JdGordon: I will - should I also try the code change in settings_list.c or are you going to rewrite anyway? 12.52.22 # Oh, and those values as well. Only applies to car adapter mode afair 12.52.35 # pixelma: ill put a new patch up in a little while 12.52.51 # JdGordon: The volatile values are the two runtime values (current and top) and the resume position 12.52.51 # ok 12.54.59 # How are these values saved now for targets without non-volatile memory? 12.55.06 # to disk 12.55.12 # they will be stored to both 12.55.23 # atm nothing has the rtc flag set 12.55.51 # To disk? In what form? Separate binary file? 12.55.59 # no, in the cfg file 12.56.34 # The patch saves the whole .cfg on every spinup then? Not good imo... 12.56.57 # whats the difference? it doesnt ever spin it up espeaiclly to save 12.57.16 # there is provisions to only save certain settings to a seperate .cfg file 12.57.51 # No, but it saves the _whole_ .cfg which can be huge and is rather complex, on every spinup 12.58.14 # Targets w/o non-volatile memory should save those settings into a separate _binary_ file 12.58.46 # so when do you do a ful save? just shutdown? 12.58.59 # No, on shutdown or config change 12.59.03 # ...as it is now 12.59.20 # do settings need to be flushed at all then? 12.59.24 # But the volatile values don't trigger a main config save, only a binary settings save 12.59.43 # JdGordon: Yes. Battery might run out before shutdown 12.59.56 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.01.03 # I don't see these values as "rtc settings" but rather as special "binary settings" which need to be handled specially (saved often, needed before ata init, or other) 13.01.57 # This doesn't only apply to targets with rtc ram, but to all others, independent of whether they have non-volatile memory (H1x0 eeprom comes to mind) or not (then it's a separate binary file) 13.02.31 # there is a flag for sytem settings which could happily go into a seperate .cfg or bin file, and a flag for rtc, both can be used together... its just a mattr of whch flags to use for each setting 13.04.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.20.42 # ok, the code to handle functiions for the min/max/default is in 13.21.52 Quit blind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.24.08 # anyone know any setings which use a funcitno for the default/min/max values instyead of defiens 13.24.13 # which is usedd on the h300/ 13.24.14 # ? 13.24.32 # hey JdGordon 13.24.36 # hey 13.24.40 # lcd contrast, remote contrast and all sound settings 13.24.44 # i got to try out rockbox yesterday 13.24.54 # - installed it on a friend's mum's ipod 13.24.56 # :P 13.25.12 # ha 13.26.24 # These special cases exist on all targets, even though e.g. the lcd contrast functions do just return a constant 13.26.38 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@ip68-14-79-70.ri.ri.cox.net) 13.27.31 # Slasheri: i reformatted and it does work better now ;) 13.27.57 # ok, i tik it works correctly 13.29.21 # Kasperle: nice : 13.29.23 # :) 13.33.20 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 13.33.37 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.223.173) 13.35.52 # how do you type cast to a funcition typedef? its not working 13.37.46 # (*fname)(args) 13.39.00 # v nice usb logo btw 13.39.05 # when did that come in? 13.40.49 # cvs log apps/screens.c - 20th November. 13.40.50 # 20 Nov 10:56 13.41.13 # ok, well its v nice 13.41.50 # * petur points at pixelma 13.42.09 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.42.59 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.43.43 # :) 13.46.44 # Slasheri: seems the dircache behaviour is by design: it always scans in the foreground because dircache_initialized is only set when either loaded from disk or done a rebuild. And the rebuild is done in main directly, not by posting a message to the dircache queue (which is what I would have expected). 13.47.37 # Iirc dircache once scanned in the background when the expected cache size was known 13.47.54 # That's another candidate for binary settings... 13.48.01 # I find no evidence of that 13.48.45 # anyway, my time's out for the moment but I should be pingable ;) 13.49.06 # * amiconn starts a 'ping -t petur' ;) 13.49.19 # frrrr 13.52.11 # ok, the bloody sim is crashiing and i dont know why, and tis not the code i've just added 13.52.28 # also my keyboard needs new batteris and im too lazy to go downstaiirs and gt :p 13.53.11 Join heyJulius [0] (n=heyJuliu@67.84-48-110.nextgentel.com) 13.55.35 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEE855.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.56.09 # petur: yes, if cache size is already known (loaded from the config), dircache is scanned in the background 13.56.14 # so that is certainly a bug 13.58.13 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 13.58.34 # i'm finally able to test drive rockbox. yay :D 13.59.07 # on the 5.5g? 13.59.27 # yep 13.59.47 # yays :D: 13.59.48 # (30 GB) 14.00.37 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 14.01.53 # Slasheri: ok, so it seems dircache_size is always 0 14.01.58 # * petur runs off again 14.02.15 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 14.02.17 # ah, so it does not get saved correctly then 14.03.32 Join rogr [0] (n=pol@i-83-67-46-139.freedom2surf.net) 14.06.15 # Hi all. Just started with rockbox. It seems that tools/mkboot.c is only for iriver. I was after patching an X5 firmware. Any clues? 14.06.20 # Do anyone know why my X5 won't register usb, when I connect it it shows the icon, but thats it, no detection in windows 14.08.45 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.09.02 # hmmm. rockbox seems to think it's still good for 8hours 20minutes on 93% battery on the 5.5g that's not too bad. i'm gonna benchmark it over night 14.11.07 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.11.44 Quit jba (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.16.53 # rogr: there's no patching for x5 'cause it doesn't have dualboot officially. 14.17.06 # yes but what about single boot 14.17.48 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 14.18.12 # but that is binary. Can't I patch it? 14.18.26 # what are you trying to do? 14.19.13 # I created the bootloader.bin from the rockbox-dev sources. I just want to patch it with a mkboot utility. I think that's the way it works right ? 14.20.34 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 14.20.42 # oh, maybe the scramble tool? not sure really 14.21.09 # scramble? hmm, I'll check 14.21.34 Quit preglow (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.21.34 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.21.45 # pixelma: new patch versioo is up 14.22.15 Join mick_linux_ [0] (n=clamwin@adsl-8-22-167.mia.bellsouth.net) 14.22.31 # JdGordon: I'm sorry I have to leave in a few minutes - no time to compile and put the build on now 14.22.42 Nick mick_linux_ is now known as mick_home (n=clamwin@adsl-8-22-167.mia.bellsouth.net) 14.23.38 # ok, no prob 14.24.44 # JdGordon: you going to lca? 14.24.55 # lca? 14.25.20 # linux conf au 14.25.30 # nope 14.25.37 # im not _that_ much of a geeek :p 14.25.49 # sure you are 14.26.14 Quit pixelma (" laters") 14.26.32 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.26.32 NJoin preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 14.26.43 # well... in that case.... screw you guys, im goii to bed! 14.26.52 # :( 14.27.04 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 14.31.26 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54933787.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.33.11 # n1s: It worked "./scramble -iaudiox5 bootloader.bin x5_fw.bin". Thanks very much for the help! 14.33.18 # np 14.41.39 Part rogr 14.53.13 Join Kingstone [0] (i=GPool@87.69.63.162.cable.012.net.il) 15.03.15 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A7B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.04.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.04.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 15.06.34 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF63DF.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.11.57 Join bluebrother_ [0] (i=810d4658@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b61e9050f204931a) 15.20.32 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.22.18 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 15.27.09 # strange, global_settings.dircache_size is zero at startup and settings_save() gets called at shutdown, where it has a nonzero value. 15.27.41 # is it getting loaded then? 15.28.57 # still splashing around ;) 15.30.13 # :P 15.30.54 # * petur kicks cygwin a bit 15.33.20 # afaics, it saves a non-zero value and loads a zero value :( 15.35.42 # AHA! 15.36.14 # or maybe not 15.37.26 # is the order in user_settings important compared to the position in the bit_entry struct? 15.39.22 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54931F1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.41.07 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1453A.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.44.26 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034095243.nb.aliant.net) 15.51.22 Quit Kingstone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.55.29 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.56.19 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.57.48 # settings.c save_bit_table() (around line 930): doesn't the way the value is extracted from global_settings assumes that value is aligned on boundary of its type? Extracting a 32bit value assumes it is on a 32bit boundary because it accesses it at offset/4 but it could be non-aligned? 15.58.17 # * petur pings devs who know the settings code 16.02.13 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.02.33 # hmmmm offset looks to be on a boundary 16.06.07 # Doesn't gcc always put them on "natural" alignment, unless told otherwise? 16.06.32 # probably, otherwise that coulde would never work 16.08.55 # * petur knows M$ VisualC and VB do it differntly and remembers a fine bug in passing structs among them :) 16.10.59 Join God_Eater [0] (n=kate_sho@host-83-146-13-157.bulldogdsl.com) 16.11.55 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.14.07 # I don't understand this anymore: in save_bit_table, I see the correct data and in load_bit_table it is zero ... grrrr 16.17.24 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 16.17.55 # What setting, and what target? 16.18.09 # dircache_size on my h340 16.18.31 # the effect is that you always get the Scanning message at startup 16.19.40 # Yes, I can understand that... Can you see if the bits are saved properly? 16.19.59 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A7B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.20.20 # value is ok, haven't checked the actual bits *adds another splash* 16.26.45 # Btw, seems to be fine on my H140... 16.27.21 Quit bluebrother_ ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 16.27.29 # I think it was here too, until I disabled it (+ reboot) and re-enabled 16.27.59 # * petur blames Moos for bringing it to his attention 16.28.01 Join Kingstone [0] (i=GPool@87.69.63.162.cable.012.net.il) 16.29.07 # Sounds like it could be a problem with a particular alignment; i.e., the bits crosses a byte/word/long in a bad way... 16.30.35 # trying to understand the code now... 16.30.56 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 16.31.34 Join ptw419 [0] (n=ptw419@66-90-180-190.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 16.54.44 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 16.55.20 Quit heyJulius (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.55.59 # afaics, it writes the bitfield ok (long_index 27, bit_index 0 -> no boundary crossing) 16.57.03 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.57.04 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 16.57.07 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.00.35 # Still reads as zero? From get_bits, or did you check somewhere else? 17.01.20 # just added the same debug prints in get_bits, just a sec... 17.02.11 # * petur remembers to mask the value in order to read it 17.04.00 # woha.. get_bits reads the value ok 17.04.00 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-125-038.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.04.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.07.25 # WTF! 17.07.43 # adding all this debug code and now the bloody thing works :( 17.09.21 # wait, I just tested this using rolo iso power up/down 17.09.42 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 17.10.10 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-67-160-89-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 17.12.01 Quit sucka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.12.44 Join rockerbox [0] (n=xxxx@81.214.240.234) 17.16.09 # nada... get_bits reads zero, so the value actually never makes it to the disk 17.17.05 # can somebody take a note of this or should I add it to the bug tracker? 17.23.22 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 17.24.37 Join ScoTTie_ [0] (n=scott@220-253-16-54.VIC.netspace.net.au) 17.25.54 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 17.26.19 Part rockerbox 17.26.41 Join rockerMan [0] (n=xxxx@81.214.240.234) 17.26.45 # I gotta go now, bughunters can look here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6408 17.26.59 Quit petur ("later!") 17.27.17 # hi , question: does rockbox use external chip for mp3 decompression ? 17.28.18 # On Archos yes, otherwise no. 17.28.18 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.28.42 Quit ScoTTie_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.28.50 Join ScoTTie_ [0] (n=scott@220-253-16-54.VIC.netspace.net.au) 17.32.46 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.36.56 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.37.30 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.223.173) 17.49.37 Join [g2] [0] (n=g2@nslu2-linux/g2) 17.49.59 # <[g2]> how's rockbox on the Sansa e260 ? 17.52.33 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 17.54.45 # g2 - You'd need to ask Gnelik or Dan_a or Barrywardell about that. Or read the thread in the new ports section of the forum.. 17.55.16 # I think none of them is here right now.. But if you're asking wether it's useable, I think not yet. 17.55.24 # <[g2]> PaulPosition thx, any clue what TZs they are in ? 17.55.58 # <[g2]> GMT +/- # 17.57.07 # I wouldn't really know.. I'd say in the evening, GMT0 .. ?? Like in a few hours. But can't say for sure. 17.57.53 # g2 - Oh... You can also search the irc backlog at the rockbox.org site... 17.58.11 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.199.250) 17.58.36 # g2 - Will give you both the last few words on the sansa e2xx series AND an idea of when they're actually on. 18.03.46 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 18.04.15 # [g2], have a look at the IrcNicks wiki page. A couple of names have their timezone added 18.04.41 Quit rockerMan () 18.05.19 # <[g2]> bluebrother I'm aware of the 20 IRC channel limit on freenode, but I've never been to IrcNicks 18.05.55 # 20 irc channel limit? I'm referring to the rockbox wiki page 18.06.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks 18.07.06 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 18.07.09 # <[g2]> yeah you can only join 20 channels simultaneously on freenode without special permission from a single nick 18.07.57 # <[g2]> bluebrother thx's for url btw 18.08.34 # I didn't get the conjuction between the limit and the timezone thing. 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Its seriously the coolest thing i've ever seen 22.09.15 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.09.34 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 22.09.51 # * Bagder says yes 22.10.16 # well, thank you badger :-P 22.10.30 # :-) 22.12.02 # Bagder, so are you one of the devs? 22.12.13 # I am, yes 22.12.32 # I've been on this since the start actually 22.13.31 # well, i wanted to come on here and pay my respects. i loaded it onto my ipod about a week ago and i love it. 22.13.55 # i struggled with ipl for a long time... was never really happy with the product. 22.14.54 # yes, well we have quite different focus and goals I think 22.15.41 # different maybe - but also similar - put an alternative OS onto a music player. 22.15.51 # yes, sure 22.16.38 # you guys ever need assistance? 22.16.45 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@c-24-21-214-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 22.16.47 # always 22.16.51 # i have a I.S. / programming background 22.17.07 # we're all volunteers so we need all the hands and help we can get 22.17.23 # wherever you can and feel like contributing 22.17.26 # i'll have to check the source out.... i assume it is C ? 22.17.31 # yeps 22.17.36 # mostly C with small parts in asm 22.18.02 # well i'll see about starting to get involved 22.20.25 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 22.22.29 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-83f3f161f5fe4495) 22.23.16 Quit Bjoern-Erik ("leaving") 22.30.02 Join webguest20 [0] (i=3e418386@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-771cd9125c8181dd) 22.30.56 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.31.28 Part webguest20 22.34.58 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 22.46.30 Quit JoeyBorn ("fight for freedom, hack the duck... ok, whatever talk amongst yourselves") 22.58.38 Join FATTY2 [0] (n=fags@c-68-45-242-85.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 22.59.32 Quit Kingstone (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.04.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.12.31 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.13.53 Quit Siku () 23.13.56 Join lucas42 [0] (i=81d72dab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.14.46 Join excitatory [0] (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-39-29.wi.res.rr.com) 23.15.16 Quit powr-toc (Remote closed the connection) 23.33.15 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 23.45.49 Join dshier [0] (n=root@c-71-194-142-33.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.45.55 # hello 23.46.10 # why is the battery life on the ipod so low 23.46.22 # 'cos rockbox doesn't use both CPUs yet 23.46.31 # oooooooooo 23.46.39 # so it uses the one CPU at fuller capacity than what it normally uses 23.46.39 # that's not the reason i'd say ;) 23.46.45 # thus, more power usage 23.46.49 # meh 23.46.56 # that's my guess, Kasperle 23.46.57 # kasperle what do you think 23.46.59 # but i know nothing ;) 23.47.07 # if you know better, please enlighten us :) 23.47.21 # i think that rockbox simply does not support all the power management features the hardware supports 23.47.21 # when is rockbox going to utilize that second CPU 23.47.35 # dshier, work has already started 23.47.42 # I think some framework is there already 23.47.49 # so is are the dailybuilds battery life any good 23.47.53 # but I have no idea what kind of priority that thing is 23.48.26 # o ok 23.49.23 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.50.19 # so it sounds like work is getting done 23.52.42 Quit dshier ("Lost terminal") 23.52.46 Join ani-adom [0] (n=Shomakom@212.117.141.138.static.012.net.il) 23.54.05 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.55.47 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 23.56.32 Join mick_home [0] (n=clamwin@clamwin/admin/mickhome)