--- Log for 04.12.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.06 # That's just because the linker doesn't throw an error when the beginning of the last section still fits 00.00.23 # ...even if the end is outside the specified area 00.00.40 # (a linker bug that has always been there) 00.00.45 # Check the build log 00.00.50 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 00.00.59 # that's a pretty bad bug imo 00.01.25 # Output is 308 bytes larger than max (233456) 00.01.25 # Build firmware file 00.01.25 # removing UCL file again, making it a fake one 00.01.49 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.02.35 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 00.02.38 # So are any rombox builds still working? 00.03.37 # In the beginning of 2006, all archoses could run rombox. For FM and V2 it broke some time in summer, for the V1 it broke in autumn, and for Ondio FM it broke today :( 00.03.54 # The only archoses still featuring rockbox now are the Ondio SP and the Player 00.04.25 # * jhMikeS thinks about unneeded strings again - but what a task - and adding the feature selectivity 00.04.58 # The string cleanup should bring back rombox for a while 00.05.29 # and give it room to grow again, like repotting a plant :) 00.07.05 # yes 00.07.12 # there's got to be some prioritizing of features with rombox no doubt 00.07.52 # In fact, if rombox would break because of adding cool new features, and in spite of optimising the code, it would be another thing 00.07.57 Quit XavierGr () 00.08.08 Quit ender` (" "I want an Internet. Can I have one of those?" -- Spice Girl Mel B., aka Scary Spice during an AOL press conference, pointi) 00.08.16 # What pisses me off is that many of the recent code size bumps are quite unnecessary 00.08.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp44-69.adsl.forthnet.gr) 00.08.41 # like? 00.09.02 # Maybe the code size of each build should be listed somewhere - so people can see the impact of their commits. 00.09.10 Join [Gino] [0] (n=kvirc@pool-72-73-124-206.ptldme.east.verizon.net) 00.09.48 # code size primarely affects the archos line, correct? 00.09.59 # no 00.10.18 # I'm wondering where I can trim fat in anything I've done that would affect that or anything else. :\ 00.10.32 # It does affect them in a more obvious way because of the hard limits regarding rombox etc, 00.10.42 # how does it affect the software codec ports? a reduction in buffer size? 00.10.47 # but the target with the tightest RAM restrictions is the iFP 00.11.37 # amiconn: what other commits of recent are bloated is what I mean. I know about the latest. 00.11.49 # I think all targets benefit from compact & efficient code 00.12.27 # I don't think anyone can disagree with that, in theory. 00.12.33 # The buffer size is less important on targets with 16MB+ of RAM, but battery runtime also depends on code efficiency 00.13.19 # I guess for coldfire that means running the stop #2000 as much as possible? 00.14.53 # so runtime detection of 2048 byte sectors was commited, but runtime detection of 64MB of memory still hasn't. What is holding that back? 00.15.18 # That means completely reorganising how Rockbox uses memory. 00.15.20 # The detection isn't the problem. The RAM layout is 00.16.22 # jhMikeS: Ideally, threads should be sleeping as often & long as possible, and boosting shouldn't happen too often and only when the power is really needed 00.16.44 # is the RAM layout discussed on the wiki, or do I need to read the code and plot memory usage on a piece of paper? 00.16.44 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 00.17.11 # Saving space is often a question of how the function is organised, and what optimisations are applied 00.17.15 # shouldn't sleep_thread be used in a lot of places instead of yield then? 00.18.00 # Soap: It's currently something like: [Rockbox][...audio buffer...][codec buffer][plugin buffer] - with Rockbox being at the start of RAM and the codec/plugin buffers being at fixed (at compile-time) addresses at the end of RAM. The audio buffer is what's left in the middle. 00.18.09 # Remember that I added support for reading 16bit and 4bit BMPs to the bmp loader (those are the features which affect monochrome targets) with practically constant code size on archos? 00.18.31 # (+4 byte in total counting my second optimisation) 00.18.35 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Connection timed out) 00.18.39 # linuxstb: what does the 64MB patch in the tracker do? Stretch the audio buffer, or split it in two? 00.18.56 # Soap: Afaik there is no runtime detection patch 00.19.03 # Soap: The suggestion is to change that to [codec buffer][plugin buffer][Rockbox][...audio buffer...] but no-one has stepped up to do it. 00.19.08 # The 64MB patch allows building a special 64MB build 00.19.52 # I grok that amiconn. I just didn't know if all it needed was runtime detection, or if people were (rightfully) upset with how it placed the memory usage. 00.22.26 # nevermind, after reading linuxstb's first comment on the tracker it makes sense now. 00.24.55 # we should be able to sleep threads only up till their next turn to run but that doesn't appear supported. there's always a timeout. 00.25.21 # sleep until their next turn doesn't make sense 00.25.29 # That would be identical to yield() 00.25.34 # Soap: Only 6 months old... 00.26.00 # linuxstb: I agree, I asked a silly question in hindsight. 00.26.14 # With sleep(0) you can sleep the thread until the end of the current tick 00.26.19 # Soap: No, I meant that after 6 months, no-one has done any more work on it... 00.26.40 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.39.226) 00.28.35 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.29.01 # yield doesn't seem to put them on the list of inactive processes and execute a stop (or eq) though 00.29.17 # Of course not 00.29.48 # The scheduler only executes (and can only execute) stop if all threads are sleeping 00.30.06 # right, but why have to wait a min of .01s ?? 00.30.18 # But if a thread already wants to run after one scheduling round, that cannot happen 00.30.54 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.203.40) 00.31.17 # Stop halts the cpu until the next interrupt. The only interupt that is guaranteed to happen in regular intervals is the tick. 00.31.43 # ah so then I guess you have to expect to be out at least 1 tick 00.31.59 # Not _at least_, but in the worst case 00.32.12 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 00.32.22 # As already mentioned, you can do sleep(0); which will sleep th ethread until th eend of the current tick 00.32.43 # ..which can be anything between nearly immediately and 10ms 00.32.47 # I mean, you can't count on being running any sooner 00.33.01 # correct 00.33.58 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-67-114-113.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 00.34.05 # With th eold scheduler you could do some tricks, dunno whether that's still possible 00.34.36 # 10ms? could be longer if an lcd update takes place but then so can yield 00.35.06 # that was a big issue with doing the sound effects 00.35.51 # Yes, any thread might delay stuff further 00.36.05 # but they're boosted and we're cutting it _real_ close for latency 00.36.12 # Really time critical stuff requires an isr 00.39.10 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.39.16 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 00.39.19 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.99.32) 00.42.16 # that could be a way to go with those. could an interrupt be triggered from the recording handler? 00.43.04 # I don't know what you need 00.43.22 # In general it is possible to use interrupts from within plugins 00.43.53 # Preferably the plugin shouldn't bang the hardware, but rather use functions provided by the core 00.44.20 # The grayscale library, video.rock (archos) and metronome.rock use the user timer this way 00.44.22 # to process the sound as soon as another chunk is available from DMA and not have to wait through a screen update 00.44.28 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-153-230.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 00.44.33 Quit MadDog011 (Remote closed the connection) 00.44.48 # Then you probably need to add the ability to register a callback in the recording isr 00.45.34 # there's already the DMA1 registered callback but audio can't be processed there 00.45.44 # Why not? 00.46.19 # Arent there only 6 samples available in the FIFO? I did try it and it just breaks up. 00.46.44 # The DMA interupt is fired at the end of the DMA transfer 00.47.00 # ...which is way longer than 6 samples (at least I hope it is) 00.47.09 # yes. but then you can only process a few samples and have to return 00.47.16 # Huh? 00.47.52 # Processing audio can take longer than the six samples it would seem 00.47.58 # You need to set up the new dma first in order to prevent fifo overrun. After that you have quite some time for processing... 00.49.04 Part nave7693 00.49.33 # it makes no provision for that. it's just like the playback. would need a function for that 00.50.06 # actually would be pretty simple to set up and no plugin hw banging 00.53.20 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.53.46 # Some plugins even bang the hardware, but this is not encouraged 00.54.25 # alpine_cdc is one, and wavplay is another. They hijack interupt vectors. 00.55.08 # I'm thinking about what to do if the next interrupt comes and it's not done. probably spin lock until the previous one is finished 00.55.15 # But then, wavplay is a proof-of-concept preview, and alpine_cdc is a quite specialised plugin 00.55.51 # jhMikeS: Shouldn't it be locked automatically, via the interupt priority thing? 00.56.11 # (unless the recording interrupt is non-maskable, but why should it?) 00.56.21 # if it is, then how will the transfer start from the handler? 00.57.57 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.26 # The handler can't be called a second time as long as it's executing 00.58.27 # If we've started another transfer, it will start while still in the handler, and the next interrupt from that transfer will be blocked? ok, then no worries 00.59.08 # Interrupts (at this and lower level) are reenabled by the rte instruction 01.00.04 # ...unless it's level 7, then it's non-maskable 01.00.26 # But imho we shouldn't use level 7 for anything without strong reason 01.00.34 # with that, latency can be very low indeed 01.01.33 # Slightly more than one DMA block I'd think 01.02.18 # they're small blocks (128 samples) 01.02.33 # no real attempt at optimizing those things yet 01.03.08 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.195.154) 01.03.16 # Latency might go up to nearly 2* dma_block_size. Depends on how long the calulations take 01.04.37 # that's ok, it's 5 now, most of it to keep playback clear of the current effect block 01.05.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.06.37 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.06.40 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.10.51 # * amiconn needs to set up a testing environment for large virtual sectors :/ 01.12.04 Join ani-adom [0] (n=Shomakom@212.117.141.138.static.012.net.il) 01.12.18 # hi 01.12.40 Quit dau (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.13.02 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.13.14 # is it possible to know id3 of the next song? 01.13.16 # doing things that way might even be good for playback on a mixing board style pcm buffer without another thread if the final mix point is powered by the interrupt 01.17.43 # * MarcoPolo is away: ZZZzzz 01.17.45 Nick MarcoPolo is now known as MarcoPolo|AFK (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.18.39 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.19.48 # mmmmmmmm 01.20.49 Quit gelatinous ("CGI:IRC") 01.22.24 # ani-adom: Yes, a WPS can display tags from the next track. 01.23.54 # see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Next_Song_Info for more info ... 01.25.34 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.26.27 # i rad this 01.26.52 # for a few times but still i cant get it. 01.26.55 # read 01.28.26 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.28.49 # pixelma: i dont see nthing that talks on id3. 01.28.53 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.30.58 # that's related to the tags explained before: for example if you use in your wps code "%ia" to display the artist tag (ID3) of the currently playing song you have to write it "%Ia" to display the artist tag of the next song 01.32.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.33.14 # g. 01.33.44 # :) 01.34.39 # JdGordon: morning ... 01.34.44 # hey 01.35.52 # about your settings patch (on Ondio) - it seems like nothing gets saved during buffering not even playlist_control 01.36.46 # umm, damn, ok, thanks 01.36.55 # had another shutdown when my batteries lost contact 01.37.54 # and everything was back like before (volume too) so it should be a general problem 01.41.55 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.45.15 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.45.17 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.51.14 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.51.50 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.195.154) 01.52.20 # JdGordon: could it be an Ondio problem only? 01.52.51 # Its possible, its wierd the playlist_control isnt getting saved, because thats sperate code 01.53.00 # is playlist_control getting saved with cvs build? 01.57.58 # last one I flashed 26.11. works (I'm not too eager to test the latest...) 01.58.25 # was that before or after the last ata_idle fix? 01.58.33 # * JdGordon checks logs 01.58.47 # the one that caused the loop? 01.59.01 # then it was after 01.59.02 # yeah 01.59.31 # the fix of course 01.59.50 # ok, i got soime nivestigating todo toda then 02.02.50 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 02.02.52 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.07.24 # I can rule out that the volume the files are on (MMC or internal memory) has anything to do with it (thought it was worth testing) 02.10.15 Quit ani-adom (":") 02.13.14 # by playlist_control, you mean the /.rockbox/.playlis_control file right? something is tottaly stuffed than if that isnt righting... tha doesnt use ata_idle_nofity 02.13.44 # wait a sec... had an idea (and if this is right then it is my fault) 02.13.51 # :) 02.15.35 Quit MarcoPolo|AFK ("Bye !") 02.17.34 # hmm... no - not my fault 02.18.00 # damn, :p 02.18.53 # I mean the file in which current playlist and position is saved, just to clarify 02.19.06 # (used to resume) 02.19.34 # side noe, I want to replace the current bookmark stuff with that file, so bookmarks work much better 02.19.49 # damn this keyboard is annoying me, sorry for all the typos 02.19.54 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.19.59 # sounds like a plan :) 02.20.09 # yeah, that file shuoldnt have any problems writing to disk 02.20.26 # its goin to be a bit of work tho, because I'm not exactly sure how it works ;p 02.20.31 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.195.154) 02.22.32 # all the playlists I created with "insert shuffled" could be bookmarked and I use this possibility more often because the Ondio doesn't have a quickscreen where I could set "playback" to shuffle easily 02.22.39 # couldn't 02.23.55 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.24.27 # (if that made any sense... :/ ) 02.24.35 # anyone know how the vkeyboard works on the player? 02.24.58 Quit [g2] ("Leaving") 02.25.29 # yeah, my breif experimenting with bookmarks found it only lets you bookmark folder playlists.. which i tinhk sux 02.26.09 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-player/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-330004.1.4 if it helps any 02.26.28 # ta, exaclty what i was loking for 02.26.54 # would that sort of keyboard work for the other targets? 02.30.00 # there's one big difference to the other targets (afair) the charcell display only lets you have a limited amount of unusual characters - so I guess that's a great difference to all the others if you think about all the accented letters 02.30.17 # and stuff like that 02.31.45 # thats not such a big deal, because the vk lets you load your own keyboard file whih has as many accented characters as you like. It could work 02.31.54 # Hopefully will shrink some code also :) 02.33.08 # that's definitely needed (if you read the logs...) 02.34.42 # I cannot imagine how this virtual keyboard would look like on other screens and how usable it would be 02.35.04 Quit mick_home ("brb") 02.35.46 # Im thinking about how easily it would scale compared to the current one, and it wouldnt force the sysfont on the screen 02.38.01 # sorry... maybe I'm too tired to see - would all the characters be on one line then? 02.38.04 # wow the current vk drawing code is scary :) 02.39.03 # Im tihnking it would allow for different sets of letters, so presing up/down would go to the next set (lower case, upper case, numeric, etc) 02.39.27 # ah.. did you see the proposal in the wiki? 02.39.39 # the qwerty keyboard one? 02.39.53 # no... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VKeyboardDesignProposal 02.41.36 # that looks overly complicated, and scales as badly as the current one 02.42.00 # hmm... somehow I thought it was something like what you described but it isn't so... 02.42.04 # hardcoding the character sets would be a big watse of space also 02.42.27 # I dont kow what im thinking just yet :p 02.42.44 # i going to have breaky, (at 12.42pm :D ) ttyl 02.42.51 # hehe... 02.43.09 # I need some sleep though 02.45.26 Quit pixelma (" G'night") 02.46.03 Join r121 [0] (n=r121@d-201-42.resnet.unb.ca) 02.53.50 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.57.06 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 02.57.56 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 03.00.50 # <[Gino]> Does Rockbox work on the 30gb iPod's now being sold on apple.com? 03.03.33 # partially iirc 03.03.55 # it needs some patches which arnt in the official souce just yet 03.03.59 # <[Gino]> Do you know what in specific doesn't work correctly? 03.04.07 # no 03.04.15 # Kasperle knows about it i tinhk 03.05.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.05.12 # <[Gino]> Thanks 03.05.17 Quit barrywardell () 03.11.36 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-7-11.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 03.13.33 Join thomasg [0] (n=thomasg@p57AFEAFD.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.14.45 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 03.14.47 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.15.35 # hi. I plan to buy a iaudio x5l dap. because of the great features I would like to use rockbox, but I have heard, that the powermanagement is not yet ready. how long could I listen to music with the x5l (e.g. mp3 256kbps)? 03.15.44 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.16.21 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.212.26) 03.18.56 Quit r121 ("Leaving") 03.21.07 # i think that the x5s have come to the stock firmware's usage now 03.24.34 # sounds good 03.24.36 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.24.52 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 03.26.41 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-146-239.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 03.45.54 # <[Gino]> Can you charge an x5 while it is running Rockbox, I mean while it is turned on... I read you can't, but I don't know if that got fixed... 03.46.27 # <[Gino]> Or any significant problems with the x5(l) running Rockbox? 03.49.58 # <[Gino]> Oh, does it support video playback? 03.50.32 Quit scorche ("Leaving") 03.51.42 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 03.57.27 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@c-24-21-214-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 04.19.40 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.19.45 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 04.31.16 Quit midgey () 04.33.31 Join mick_linux [0] (n=clamwin@clamwin/admin/mickhome) 04.40.00 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 04.40.07 Quit dau (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.42.46 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 04.43.06 Quit funky ("leaving") 04.44.13 Join Canadian [0] (n=chatzill@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3b-226.buf.adelphia.net) 04.44.54 # ok i need some help with my Iriver H10 04.46.51 Quit Canadian (Client Quit) 04.48.45 # how can i convert my HFS formatted ipod to Fat32 on debian? 04.48.54 # i've umounted the nano 04.49.11 # cfdisk doesn't show it at all 04.49.33 # i'm wondering what the best way would be to accomplish this 04.49.44 # and please don't tell me to rtfm :-P 04.53.24 Join Canadian_Pirate [0] (n=chatzill@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3b-226.buf.adelphia.net) 04.53.26 Nick Canadian_Pirate is now known as Canadian (n=chatzill@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3b-226.buf.adelphia.net) 04.54.16 Quit Canadian (Client Quit) 04.54.30 Join [ [0] (n=chatzill@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3b-226.buf.adelphia.net) 04.55.44 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.01.23 Quit JoeBorn ("going to china tomorrow morn, tt you all later.") 05.03.10 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 05.03.12 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.03.31 # <[> can anyone help me quickly with an Iriver H10, just put RockBox on and cant find the genaral settings menu... 05.04.26 # hit menu button 05.05.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.05.33 # <[> which is which button? (sorry for being stupid with this....) 05.05.52 # hmm not sure, different on each player 05.06.21 # <[> ok, ill play around with it... 05.06.22 # <[> found it, power button 05.06.35 # might be power button 05.06.44 # or try using the sliding selector, that might activate menu 05.07.01 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.07.21 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.vidao2.com") 05.10.53 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 05.12.39 # <[> thanks mate i got it all working 05.12.45 # what was it ? 05.12.52 # aah power button 05.13.21 # <[> yes 05.13.25 # how is bubbles plugin on the h10? am trying to convince a workmate to change firmware on it 05.13.37 # <[> ...? 05.14.14 # <[> like i said i JUST downloaded it and dont know how to use it, did reseach on it as a whole but not on useage 05.16.42 Quit [ ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 05.19.39 # how can i convert my HFS formatted ipod to Fat32 on debian? 05.20.04 # any linux/*bsd info would be helpful 05.30.05 Quit Kingstone () 05.34.46 Quit dau (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.39.55 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 05.39.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp49-221.adsl.forthnet.gr) 05.44.14 Join ptw419 [0] (n=ptw419@66-90-180-190.dyn.grandenetworks.net) 05.45.43 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 05.48.24 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 05.49.28 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 05.53.58 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 05.55.08 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 06.07.12 Join dantheman [0] (n=danielma@134.178.20.94) 06.08.48 # mick_linux: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnupod/gnupod.html#SEC6 i believe that should help... I am not certain if it is the best way, you can also try to mount it using the hfs driver... 06.09.27 # i can mount w/ hfs+ atm 06.09.34 # i just want it to be fat32 ;) 06.09.39 # i'll check it out 06.12.23 # "You can now unplug the iPod and pray ;)" 06.12.41 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 06.12.47 # no freakin way i'm reading that 06.12.51 # ;) 06.12.52 # hi 06.18.20 Quit dantheman (Remote closed the connection) 06.19.11 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 06.25.20 Join dantheman [0] (n=danielma@134.178.20.94) 06.36.12 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 06.36.59 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com) 06.37.01 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.37.08 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 06.39.07 # hi perplexa 06.56.27 Quit FATTY2 () 07.00.16 Quit mick_linux (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.05.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.22 Quit ptw419 () 07.18.03 Join mick_linux [0] (n=clamwin@clamwin/admin/mickhome) 07.18.17 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.18.26 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 07.22.04 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.33.25 Quit dantheman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.39.18 Part nave7693 07.45.02 # Morning... 07.47.15 Quit jba ("Leaving") 07.48.48 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-211-88-235.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.51.30 # morning 07.51.54 # Slasheri: Sorry for the ranting last night, in case you read the logs 07.52.38 # But the more I think about it, the more I think the current implementation for large virtual sectors is the wrong approach and should be reverted 07.52.54 # Some points: 07.53.17 # (1) file.c shouldn't be touched at all. Virtual sectors is a fat only thing and should stay in fat.c 07.53.41 # Hmm, but file.c uses directly sectors as unit when measuring things 07.53.52 # Yes, and one sector is still 512 bytes 07.54.14 # (2) None of the sector buffers should need enlarging. The virtual sectors are what their name says - virtual. 07.55.05 # The sector buffers are mainly there because a sector is the smallest addressable unit in the ata protocol 07.55.14 # but then, how fat driver could handle reading and writing if sector size is not enlarged? 07.55.30 # Like it does without your commit 07.55.51 # The fat specifies cclusters, and a cluster is usually also multiple sectors 07.55.56 # and all the cache stuff in fat etc.. 07.56.17 # that would require quite major change to the driver to support different sector size without changing the units 07.56.18 # I tend to see large virtual sectors as an extension to clusters 07.56.41 # I think the changes needed are smaller than what you committed 07.57.02 # hmm 07.57.24 # I think the instability you mentioned is just because putting multiple 2KB buffers on the stack 07.57.49 # The main stack is 8KB in total, and the individual thread stacks are similar or smaller 07.58.00 # * amiconn wishes Zagor were here... 07.58.07 # He's Mr. fat.c 07.58.45 # ok, if you think it can be implemented better by not changing sector size, feel free to revert the commit 08.04.34 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 08.05.19 # I'm a bit undecided. I think that implementing another way is easier when working from the status before the commit, but otoh reverting would mean to back out G5.5/30 support 08.05.37 # Bagder? 08.09.56 # Slasheri: We could even support all possible virtual sector sizes then. Valid sizes are quite limited: 512, 1024, 2048 and 4096 08.10.12 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host175-146.pool8250.interbusiness.it) 08.11.00 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 08.11.13 # amiconn: at the moment we support 512, 1024 and 2048 on fat level 08.11.47 # Yes, but that's with enlarged buffers, and with file.c knowing about it 08.11.54 # yes.. 08.14.54 # at looking fat.c, i see it would take quite a massive change to do it the other way.. but if you see it's even easier, great :) 08.20.57 Quit hachi ("And I begin to wonder... The dreams I can't remember when I wake in the morning - where in the world did they go?") 08.21.57 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.34.19 # Slasheri: Why do you think so? 08.36.07 # i am not sure, just got "the feeling" 08.37.54 # * amiconn wonders whether the original implementation of the fat driver even already had large virtual sector support 08.38.39 # I remember Zagor speaking about fat.c being cut down from something 08.40.24 # Slasheri: Btw, afaics there are 2 buffers in fat.c which can be PHYSICAL_SECTOR_SIZE instead of MAX_SECTOR_SIZE 08.41.59 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 08.42.07 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.42.13 Join Tyronemaskell [0] (n=Dude@160.124.9.234) 08.42.14 # (1) The one in fat_mount(), because the bpb is always 512 bytes (including the signature) 08.43.40 # morning all 08.43.53 # where can i find themes 08.43.59 # if thats what you call them 08.44.02 # (2) The one in update_fsinfo() 08.44.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 08.45.04 # right there, Tyronemaskell 08.45.05 # thank you 08.45.19 # there called wps (while playing screens) 08.45.40 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.45.50 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 08.46.21 # the only problem i have these days is that i need to convert my wma to mp3's any ideas pls 08.46.26 # EbErT, Tyronemaskell: Rockbox also knows themes, which include wps and some more settings 08.46.42 # (font, colours, backdrop) 08.46.53 # you mean already installed 08.47.03 # oh, right 08.47.10 # amiconn: hmm, true. i just wanted to be sure at first no buffer overflows happens 08.47.13 # Another source is http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ 08.47.13 # those are themes and wps, mixed in 08.48.27 # how do i convert wma files 08.48.33 # Slasheri: Btw, afaics all we need is the secmult thing, then supporting large virtual sectors shouldn't be a problem with 512-byte sector buffers 08.49.09 # google it, you just need a program 08.49.10 # amiconn: sounds good if that can be done 08.49.17 # try versiontracker.com 08.51.30 # Tyronemaskell: transcoding is always a bad idea...how did you aquire the material? 08.51.58 # i got the songs from a friend 08.52.17 # well, i would suggest re-ripping the material if you can 08.52.24 # and ive always gotta boot into the iriver firmware to play the wma tracks 08.52.46 # i can re-rip the stuff 08.53.03 # ranscoding is always a bad idea...how did you aquire the material? why is it not a good idea 08.53.18 # meant to say i cant re-rip the stuff 08.53.32 # and transcoding 08.53.32 # hehhe 08.54.16 # because you will always experience a loss in quality 08.54.48 # like a serious loss 08.55.22 Quit EbErT () 08.55.29 # well, that varies between one's definition of "serious loss" 08.55.31 # ive found that i can make an audio cd from the wma files but then i need to re rip from the cd what a mission 08.55.45 # that is transcoding 08.56.37 # ok i see 08.57.11 # how do i remove the current installed wps and themes ? 08.57.27 # just delete the files 08.57.34 # you cannot remove the default one though 08.58.19 # cool 09.00.30 # :-) 09.02.05 # ok so if i cant re-rip and i wanna transcode whats a good program to use 09.03.50 # dbpoweramp 09.05.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.07.35 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.07.35 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 09.07.45 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.07.45 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 09.08.29 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1924640d061ec27c) 09.10.13 # I recently noticed that the background in the splash messages on H120 got more dark grey, it's even hard to read. When was it changed? It was very light grey before. 09.10.24 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 09.12.53 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 09.13.22 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-60b21ff992112857) 09.15.04 # Hello petur. IIRC you have an H340. Do you also have difficulties reading splash messages? Or is the problem H120 specific? Or is it just me? (see msg above) 09.15.19 # * petur reads log 09.15.43 # ah that will be h1x0 related 09.16.18 # jhMikeS changed lcd gamma which may have caused this... amiconn may know more 09.17.38 # amiconn: are you here? 09.17.54 # :) 09.18.01 # * jhMikeS is ready for sleep but will suggest lightening the contrast 09.18.22 # goodnight jhMikeS 09.18.37 # * petur just got up and arrived at work ;) 09.18.39 # 'night - will lurk 09.20.36 # petur: do you know jhMikeS well? Will he actually DO it when he says "suggest"? :-) 09.21.08 # I haven't met any of the devs if that's what you mean ;) 09.21.41 # the contrast thing has been talked about before, it'll get fixed 09.21.49 # mick_linux: You should be able to adapt the Mac OS X instructions for converting to HFS+ to other Unixes - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#Convert_an_iPod_from_HFS_to_FAT3 09.22.09 # that doesn't exist on linux 09.22.13 # only freebsd 09.22.20 # *bsd actually 09.22.21 # What doesn't exist? 09.22.31 # mkfs_msdos 09.22.37 # afaik 09.23.00 # mkfs.msdos exists. 09.23.04 # petur: ok, I'll wait then 09.23.14 # and fat32 / vfat formatting on linux is flaky at best, so i may just try it in wine ;) 09.23.17 # Or mkdosfs, or mkfs.vfat (I think they're all the same). 09.23.28 # Never brought me any trouble 09.23.31 # It's worked fine for me. 09.24.06 # It's the fsck which I think is unreliable/non-existent on Linux. 09.24.34 # webguest20: one more thing. H120 or H140? Just try move the contrast lighter and see. 09.26.11 # "Or is the problem H120 specific?" 09.26.21 # for my and some others H120 the setting is perfect. maybe the LCDs really vary greatly. 09.26.22 # cfdisk exists :-P 09.26.25 # jhMikeS: H140 actually. I set the contrast so that the text is as black as possible but the screen is not grey 09.26.41 # Looks too dark on my ihp120 09.26.51 # hrm...you said it was originally a 120...oh well 09.27.15 # Well, h120 is the modelname rockbox uses for h120/h140, so that's understandable 09.27.33 # yeah...just saying =) 09.27.33 # amiconn has an H140 and says it's too dark. preglow and I have H120s and found it better...hmmm 09.28.09 # but the default contrast needed to be one lighter (27 not 28) 09.28.43 # looks like a setting is in order in order to make it work for everyone. 09.29.01 # ok nighty night 09.29.31 # Still looks a bit on the dark side to me 09.29.47 Part hcs 09.29.57 # IIRC the contrast is set to 27 or 28 (default setting). The screen (e.g. file browser) looks nice, just the splash msgs are too dark 09.30.33 # A scale of solid gray bars should look even (0, 85, 170, 255) 09.30.57 # * petur sends jhMikeS to bed 09.30.59 # Maybe the splashes just need to be light grey background? 09.31.48 # If the bars are even, things should all be readable as they are for me. The grays need to be set for each user for the best possible image. 09.32.56 # * jhMikeS has been sent to bed and is about to pass out anyway :) 09.38.28 # jhMikeS: do I understand right that solid greys are possible at 0, 85, 170, and 255? What value is used now? 09.38.51 # ssshhhh let him sleep 09.52.05 # dbpoweramp does not convert wma files ?????????? 09.53.45 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46316.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.54.47 # it will, but this discussion is more suited to a PM 09.55.02 # looks like it might work heheheh 09.55.22 # ive installed some codecs 09.56.50 # sorry if i was being too subtle...by the above message, i meant that discussion about that particular program does not belong in this channel 09.57.18 # no probs hehehe 10.04.04 # got it too work thanx again 10.06.02 # Bagder: ping... 10.06.08 # * Bagder pongs 10.07.00 # Ah :) 10.07.03 # another question 10.07.08 # * linuxstb fails to find a win32 API call to get the sector size for a disk - only for a drive letter... 10.07.11 # Bagder: Do you know if and when Zagor will be around? 10.07.32 # does running a colour backround and wps use more battery 10.07.41 # amiconn: he's not around much these days since on a paternaty leave full-time, so he's kept busy by his son 10.09.40 # Hmm :/ 10.10.09 # Urrrghh... just heard a glitch in my recording - the missing samples probnlem isn't fixed yet. Or maybe I should defrag my disk.... :( :( 10.11.21 Join Hdaackda [0] (n=klj@69.88.22.50) 10.12.50 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 10.12.53 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.14.24 # * petur reopened the bug report in the tracker 10.14.49 # does running a colour backround and wps use more battery 10.15.13 # not really 10.15.59 # a busy wps (peakmeters) can cause some more cpu activity 10.19.48 # ...and a bitmap intensive wps will take longer to load 10.20.17 # true 10.25.35 # Is a WPS with elapsed/remaining time and the progress bar "busy"? 10.25.48 # nah 10.26.16 # ugh 10.26.20 # that's not good 10.27.33 # preglow: should it be considered busy? Or what do you mean? Not easy to follow (implicit) threads here :-) 10.27.50 # webguest20: talking about the recording glitches, heh 10.28.32 # preglow: aha! 10.32.23 Quit Hdaackda ("Bye") 10.34.53 # AAAARGH.. and another glitch (two in a row this time) 10.36.03 # petur: what do they look like? 10.36.29 # haven't looked at the waveform, just listening to the recording 10.36.48 # the recording jumps a few seconds further 10.38.34 # seeking is borked too... seeked backwards to get the exact timestamp and ended up further in the file (it's one big WAV, 1GB). Tried to seek back 5 minutes as I huessed that is where the glitch was and it just froze 10.38.44 # * petur gets paperclip 10.38.54 Join God_Eater [0] (n=kate_sho@host-84-9-15-16.bulldogdsl.com) 10.41.41 Quit GodEater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.42.59 # preglow: this 'double' glitch is in fact a 2 second part that is present twice. A 2 second part is written over by a previous part. 10.43.26 # like skipping back 2 seconds, except that after replaying those two seconds it moves on to where it should have been 10.43.55 # hahaha 10.44.00 # a glitch++, then 10.44.13 # * petur doesn't think this is funny 10.44.48 Quit scorche ("Leaving") 10.44.50 # * preglow finds most things funny 10.44.54 # keeps me from killing myself 10.44.59 # the last two shows I recorded are thrashed. I now have 0% trust in recording code 10.46.08 # try transferring and decoding or using an mp3fixer.. i've had recordings (way back in archos days) that seemed screwed up get fixed by that 10.46.13 # but the fact that entire buffers got repeated probably does indicate quite nicely what the bug is 10.46.14 # I'll probably check out some CVS code from this summer (before jhMikeS touched it) and use that as production code 10.46.43 # hi petur 10.46.53 # thx for your comment for my patch 10.46.58 # i've pretty much always said that tapers should use a knows safe version of rockbox until something even more known and safe comes along 10.47.08 # * petur scratches memory 10.47.10 # unfortunately i have not understood the two last sentences 10.47.13 # the code was pretty nice during the summer, i think 10.47.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6310 10.47.46 # ant therefore i dont know how to react 10.47.48 # finding bugs suck when doing something you can't redo two minutes later 10.49.03 Join bluebrother [0] (i=9BEMGdvU@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.49.22 # blue_lizard: what is there you don't understand? 10.50.11 # I had no choice but to move the file/dir property to a plugin because of the wasted binary size <- what does that mean for me? 10.50.25 # what does that meat at all? 10.50.57 # your code will never get committed because it will add too much to the binary with little needed functionality 10.51.15 # <[Gino]> I'll just ask this again... I asked last night and got no answers... Can you charge an x5 while it is running Rockbox, I mean while it is turned on... I read you can't, but I don't know if that got fixed...Also, does Rockbox support video playback (on the x5) and are there any significant problems with the x5 running rockbox? 10.51.37 # if the whole fileoperations went into a plugin, nobody would bother that it is bigger just to show more info 10.51.49 Join scorche [0] (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.51.58 # not a bad idea, the disk access needs to be done anyway 10.52.41 # File/Dir properties would have added 1500 bytes for a non-critical and not often used thing, same goes for file and dir operations 10.52.53 # could this plugin be called from the kernel or does the user explicitely call the plugin instead of the build in function? 10.53.12 # we need a place to put these 'overlays' 10.53.26 # I put mine in as a viewer but that's just a workaround 10.53.42 # i think a couple of more plugin category directories would be pretty nice too 10.53.44 # blue_lizard: it can be called from the main code 10.53.47 # list is getting big 10.54.07 # blue_lizard: look at how I added the file/dir properties 10.54.21 # petur: thx i will look at it 10.54.40 # [Gino]: have a look at the PluginMpegplayer wiki page 10.54.53 # [Gino]: and yes it charges while Rockbox runs 10.55.07 # and no, there are no "significant" problems 10.55.45 # isn't the x5 charging also hardware? I don't see a reason why it shouldn't work as long as charging is in hardware 10.56.11 # <[Gino]> Thanks guys, one more question. ;) Can you change the wallpaper, or does it depend on the theme you are using? 10.56.22 # it's independent, just do 'set backdrop', afaik 10.56.38 Quit courtc (Remote closed the connection) 10.56.49 # <[Gino]> Not sure, but Iread it doesn't charge correctly while it is turned on and running Rockbox. 10.56.51 # <[Gino]> Thanks preglow 10.57.25 # [Gino]: copy the correct bmp into /.rockbox/backdrop, browse to it and from the context menu select 'set as backdrop' 10.57.44 # or something like that 10.58.13 # <[Gino]> Thanks petur 11.03.15 # ive got a problem 11.03.36 # my screen went all dark when i loaded a theme ? 11.04.52 # any help ? 11.05.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.05.38 # Tyronemaskell: maybe it has black background and the foreground color is also black? 11.05.54 # heheh you might be right 11.06.33 # or the theme is broken, your fg color was set to black and the theme didn't set it some something different 11.06.33 # if so i bet menu options light up black when you select them too 11.06.55 # black on black might be hard to read ;-) 11.07.32 # * bluebrother in fact got a book with a cover printed white on white some years ago, but as this was a different surface it was still readable 11.07.37 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 11.07.49 # yeah people've done that with black on black too 11.07.52 # for books and cds 11.07.59 # and its like one is matte and the other glossy 11.08.04 # or the like 11.08.38 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 11.08.42 # * bluebrother remebers to have seens something similar on a CD 11.09.15 # it's a nice idea especially for an art exibition 11.09.15 # <[Gino]> Oh, found another question... If a theme has album art, can you turn it off, or does it have to be on if it's in the theme? 11.09.30 # album art is unofficial. No idea 11.09.46 # Maybe it's a Disaster Area stunt-ship theme 11.10.26 # 42 11.10.36 # <[Gino]> Oh yeah, I forgot you needed th albumart patch... I wonder if the theme would still work without the patch and just not show the album art... 11.11.04 # just try it ... I'm not sure if the tag will be shown or not 11.11.21 # but I guess the theme will have some elements somewhere off 11.12.16 # <[Gino]> Well, I will, but I don't even have the DAP yet. ;) I'm trying to figure out what I should get. 11.12.28 # any way you can select more than one file for deletion 11.12.42 # preglow , jhMikeS: http://users.telenet.be/petur/glitch.wav - glitch is about 13 seconds into that clip 11.12.59 # Tyronemaskell: no 11.13.15 # multiple selection would be nice for many things 11.13.56 # ok some themes have backrounds then when i load another theme the old backround still stays how do i get rid of it ? 11.14.23 # "clear backdrop" in the lcd settings 11.14.27 Quit sando ("blargh") 11.14.37 # bluebrother: i've got a cd cover printed white on white, but the one layer with gloss so you can read it at an angle, heh 11.14.47 # thanx 11.15.35 # petur: pretty annoying glitch too 11.15.49 # tell me about it :/ 11.16.18 # * petur wonders if his disk may be to fragmented and this may cause it 11.16.24 # *too 11.16.32 # well, at least you can see if it is 11.16.36 # there's gotta be a tool for that 11.16.46 # fat isn't exactly known for handling fragmentation graciously 11.16.51 Join |[Gino]| [0] (n=kvirc@pool-72-73-96-67.ptldme.east.verizon.net) 11.17.04 # there's aout 6GB free on it though 11.17.11 # *about 11.17.19 # sure, but it may be fragmented as hell 11.17.24 # so i'd at least do a check and see 11.17.43 # sounds a bit unlikely anyway 11.18.15 # do i have to delete each theme one by one ? 11.18.32 # well if saving the file takes too much time, the PCM buffer would overflow? Or rather not, as DMA would be halted and recording stopped 11.19.07 # must be encoder buffer overflow 11.19.16 # or overwriting 11.19.21 # maybe 11.19.29 # jhMikeS will probably have a better explanation 11.19.56 # lol another question is there anyway i can view the themes on my pc 11.20.05 # Tyronemaskell: yes, with a rockbox simulator 11.20.40 # lol where do i find that ? 11.21.02 # you'll have to build it from source 11.21.14 # there are unofficial builds on rasher's site 11.21.21 # rasher.dk/rockbox 11.21.52 Join webguest26 [0] (i=c2c7fca1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 11.22.34 # build it from source ? 11.22.43 # not you talking french 11.23.10 # Any Windows using ipod owners want to test a new version of ipodpatcher? I need both normal and 5.5g users... 11.23.39 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.23.42 # http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.4.zip 11.23.44 # Tyronemaskell: if you're on windows you can get it here (as bluebrother said) http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ 11.23.55 # Tyronemaskell: from what do you want to build the sim otherwise? 11.24.20 # linuxstb: looking for anything in particular? 11.24.21 # building the sim from fresh air obviously won't work ;-) 11.24.22 # on a besond 'un français ? 11.24.23 # Hopefully that ipodpatcher should detect the sector size used. 11.24.41 # So if you've got an old ipod, it should say "512" and work as normal. 11.25.01 # But it's completely untested, so be careful... 11.25.12 # (although reading from the disk should be harmless) 11.25.39 # so, now we've the installer will break the filesystem before rockbox itself can? :> 11.25.42 # ah...just want to gather results from reading and not writing? 11.25.44 # s/we've// 11.26.26 # scorche: No, writing needs testing. But obviously, test reading first... 11.27.25 # preglow: Glad to see you have faith in my blind programming. 11.28.30 # just following up on amiconn's recent bout of fs code paranoia, heh 11.28.45 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@c-24-21-214-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 11.31.04 # Speaking of (almost).. Anyone want to give this a stamp of approval? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6358 - FS#6358 — Check for illegal chars on filename creation 11.31.30 # so, aren't we supposed to be releasing rockbox 3.1 now? 11.32.05 # oh, just got my iriver motherboard back :) 11.32.56 # preglow: No, a month ago... 11.33.13 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 11.33.30 # linuxstb: all is well here 11.33.33 # nano 11.33.39 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.33.58 # rasher: at least i can see nothing wrong with it 11.34.19 # how does simulator work ? 11.34.21 # I'm just scared of committing anything to the fat code 11.34.29 # rasher: understandable 11.36.32 # anyone ? 11.36.37 # Tyronemaskell: try it out 11.36.40 # it's like using rockbox 11.37.01 # * petur swears a bit at UPS 11.37.26 # rasher: I would prefer holding that back a bit 11.37.40 # Not because I don't trust it, but because of the variable sector size thing 11.38.54 # amiconn: Don't quite get how they relate, but it's your call 11.39.21 # but how do i get it to work 11.39.38 # Both touch fat.c, and I think the current implementation is the wrong approach 11.39.57 # Tyronemaskell: Did you download the sim from my site? 11.40.10 # Tyronemaskell: just run it. There's also some documentation in the wiki (UiSimulator) 11.40.23 # scorche: Thanks. So I assume it displays the sector size as 512? Did you test writing? 11.40.34 # i did 11.40.50 # it displays sector size on any drive i tell it to read from 11.41.06 # Good. All I need now is a 5.5G owner... 11.42.27 # <|[Gino]|> Do you install plugins after installing 11.42.38 # <|[Gino]|> Rockbox, or while you're installing? 11.42.47 # |[Gino]|: no. Plugins are part of the installation archive 11.43.24 # Slasheri: Will you be patching ipod_fw.c for the 5.5G? 11.43.31 # linuxstb: hmm, sure :) 11.43.52 # what did you do to it? 11.44.05 # i was trying to get OF loading but didn't succeed with that yet 11.44.06 # Nothing... I haven't touched it. I've just fixed ipodpatcher.exe 11.44.13 # (for Windows users) 11.44.22 # oh, but i don't have windows.. 11.44.28 # <|[Gino]|> So I take it, there are no "extra" plugins and all of them are installed by default? 11.44.34 # Slasheri: I hear some people use it though. 11.44.45 Quit [Gino] (Connection timed out) 11.46.06 # I suppose linux can create fat partitions with larger sectors than physical? 11.46.38 # Linux can create all sorts of strange stuff, so why not 11.46.59 # But I don't actually know. 11.47.04 # except from 3rd party plugins that are not part of the official rockbox distribution (but in most cases you'll need to compile those yourself), yes. 11.47.08 # This would be great for testing large sector support... 11.47.23 # -S logical-sector-size 11.47.23 # Specify the number of bytes per logical sector. Must be a power of 2 and greater than 11.47.26 # or equal to 512, i.e. 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16384, or 32768. 11.47.43 # Greater than 4096 isn't part of the official standard 11.47.53 # what rasher said, then 11.47.56 # 'strange' 11.48.00 # It seems Linux is not much interested in the official standard 11.48.34 # I'll repartition one of my targets then in order to test 11.48.47 # I also have an extra disk I could throw in 11.48.49 # I'd call that rather "allows the (experienced) user to do stuff outside of the standart ;-) 11.48.51 # See, allowable characters in filenames, size of filenames and no doubt many other things 11.48.57 # *standard 11.49.17 # for testing you could also create a filesystem in a file 11.49.23 # Standards should be followed. Even when they're limiting. 11.49.29 # Really 11.49.34 # * bluebrother agrees 11.49.38 # bluebrother: Yes, and there is even fat test code that does that 11.49.43 # I'm sure that if Microsoft would do this another explanation would be given to it :p 11.50.02 # But testing on the real thing is better imho, because it tests limitations not present on the host 11.50.06 # mkfs.vfat /path/to/my/filesystem-file.img 11.50.27 # <|[Gino]|> bluebrother: All of the plugins on the PluginIndex wiki page are included right? 11.50.36 # |[Gino]|: yes 11.50.40 # (like the inability to do misaligned accesses, stack size limit etc) 11.50.40 # |[Gino]|: Yes, but not all work on all targets. 11.50.59 # except for targets that don't support it (but you can also see that on that page) 11.51.02 # * amiconn summons Zagor 11.51.13 # e.g. the h100 don't have mpegplayer etc. 11.52.09 Part webguest20 ("'ll be back later") 11.52.47 # Summon Failed. 11.53.42 # <|[Gino]|> K, Thanks 11.56.03 # Does anyone object to this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6382 11.58.18 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.59.00 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.01.19 # amiconn: How is it not the right approach by the way? 12.05.38 # Check this morning's log... 12.05.53 # amiconn: Ah, you meant the large sector thing, not my patch? 12.05.59 # or yesterdays rant :) 12.08.40 # rasher: yes 12.09.16 # * linuxstb needs someone with rights to delete attachments from the twiki (Bagder?) 12.09.28 # what/where? 12.09.44 # Almost everything on the IpodInstallation page - the files you moved to download.rockbox.org 12.12.05 # what files should I keep around? 12.12.43 Join thomasg_ [0] (n=thomasg@p57AFD1A8.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.14.42 # The files not on download.rockbox.org are bootloader-color-nodefault.bin, loader.bin, ipodloader.conf, ipod_fw_5.5g.exe but they all infringe the GPL.... (apart from ipodloader.conf - a config file for ipodloader2) 12.15.10 # i.e. people have added them to our wiki without source. 12.15.29 # (loader.bin is the IPL bootloader) 12.15.47 # and the .conf would makes more sense as a plain wiki text, since it is 6 lines of plain text... 12.17.09 # I'll replace the link to loader.bin in the page to a link to IPL's website so that people can download the files directly from them. 12.17.15 # So delete loader.bin 12.17.52 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.20.29 Quit petur ("lunch") 12.23.47 # linuxstb: ah, it's possible to eject /dev/sda on linux while ipod disk mode to cause it spin down hd and charge faster 12.25.02 # ok, only two files left there now 12.25.13 # is anyone using the ipod_fw_5.5g ? 12.25.35 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 12.25.48 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034095243.nb.aliant.net) 12.28.54 Quit thomasg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.31.19 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.31.37 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p549864B7.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.37.46 # Bagder: It's linked to in the installation guide on the first page of the 5.5G "New Ports" thread, so I guess people are using it. 12.38.24 # ok, let's leave it there for now then 12.38.31 # But there's no info about the source, so you could delete it for that reason - it's not our code. 12.38.43 # true 12.42.33 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 12.44.22 # <_Veseliq_> http://195.85.215.210/drive1/bestseparationletter.jpg 12.45.43 # * scorche wonders what divorce has to do with rockbox....or even FOSS ;) 12.47.34 # <_Veseliq_> (: 12.47.38 # <_Veseliq_> just some fun guys 12.48.03 # fun?...what is this "fun" you speak of? 12.49.24 # also, if you have very overzealous admins, NSFW 12.49.52 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.50.28 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@87.68.180.1.cable.012.net.il) 12.55.43 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.02.32 # mildly amusing, I find it a little bit too crass 13.03.02 # not that I'm not fond of some crassness, I just didn't think it was that funny 13.05.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.12.35 # hahaha... 'Toshiba Gigabeat brunch' 13.12.42 # yummie 13.13.18 # (taken from http://www.zune-online.com/news/zune/rockbox-and-zune-walking-together.html ) 13.16.17 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 13.16.19 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.16.59 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 13.19.04 # petur: That's a really good article. 13.19.40 # As a "what is Rockbox" introduction 13.19.58 # genre9mp3 wrote it 13.20.03 # Hi 13.20.13 # yes, it's not bad 13.20.21 # ... and I proof-read it before it went public 13.20.28 # rofl 13.20.49 # an "inside job" ;-) 13.21.42 # Ah. That would explain the accuracy... 13.22.23 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-251-153.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 13.22.58 # Hrm.. I really think rockbox.* should be moved into .rockbox 13.23.25 # People seem to think they have to click it 13.23.35 # (example, latest post on the ml) 13.23.47 # If i'l teke some memory from sound buffer how can i free it?? 13.24.19 # Gnelik: You can't... The memory is freed when your plugin exits. 13.25.17 Join bbroke [0] (n=bbroke@promi22.zmms.TU-Berlin.DE) 13.25.20 # Also, you don't want to use the audio buffer if you can avoid it - it will mean that playback is stopped. 13.25.31 Part bbroke 13.27.05 # Gnelik: Do you know approximately how much memory you will be using? 13.27.36 # petur, rasher, Bagder: and this guy read some things in the article that are just not there: http://crunchgear.com/2006/11/29/rockbox-for-zune-coming-soon/ 13.28.21 # linuxstb: not more than 100kb 13.28.24 Quit dau (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.28.30 # markun: He must know something (or someone...) we don't. 13.28.47 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 13.29.38 # Gnelik: Try to use arrays of a fixed size instead of allocating things using malloc. 13.31.18 # markun: I assume there's no wi-fi in the Gigabeat S? 13.31.46 # linuxstb: It'l be not to eaasy for me 13.32.18 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.32.21 # * amiconn always found static arrays way easier than malloc 13.32.24 # Gnelik: But that's basically what you'll need to do. You then replace pointers with indexes into that array. 13.33.55 # Can't i just make malloc that will return a pointer to some array item??? 13.34.53 # linuxstb: correct 13.36.32 # Gnelik: there are some simple malloc implementations in the code. 13.37.43 # linuxstb: I posted a comment to nuance his story a bit, but it doesn't show up on the site. Maybe he first needs to approve it. 13.38.57 # Gnelik: I would also suggest writing your code outside of Rockbox first (i.e. a small standalone C program). That will be easier to test and debug. 13.42.23 Join ShacharLiberman [0] (i=590001c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.42.31 # me 13.42.37 # * ShacharLiberman 13.42.43 # ? 13.42.47 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 13.43.00 Join yw [0] (n=chatzill@61.171.93.137) 13.43.02 Join Shachar_Liberman [0] (i=590001c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f12a256800510ed0) 13.43.02 Quit ShacharLiberman (Client Quit) 13.43.12 # * Shachar_Liberman ? 13.43.27 # hi 13.43.46 # can the rockbox codec run on sansa e200 now? 13.44.25 Join lamed [0] (i=590001c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-075319be13fa913a) 13.44.25 Quit Shachar_Liberman (Client Quit) 13.44.33 # yw: We can't play any sound now 13.44.37 # anyone know how to do the translate for the rockbox? 13.44.56 # yw: how do yoy mean 13.44.56 # I want to add a simpilified chinese lang for rockbox 13.45.03 # sec 13.45.14 # sec? 13.45.20 # yw: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles 13.45.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles 13.45.42 # thanks. 13.45.42 # heh 13.46.00 # * linuxstb wins! 13.48.04 # if I made the lang file, can I commit it into the cvs directly? 13.48.28 # only if you have committers access 13.48.30 # * lamed win 13.48.34 # s 13.48.54 # #rockbox @ Freenode stats by Jonas Häggqvist reports I'm asking too much quesions too many times. (or that i'm stupid). I shell stop using question marks from now on. 13.49.47 # it says I'm aggressive but that won't stop me from slapping my forehead again :) 13.50.55 # I've used "really" 699 times during this year's june! 13.51.17 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-192-17.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 13.51.26 # read the statistics again 13.51.59 # peutr: do you also get "Is Shachar Liberman stupid or just asking too many questions? ... Another old yeller was Shachar Liberman, who shouted 9.4% of the time! ..." as the third result when you google your name (question mark) 13.53.10 # heh 13.53.41 Quit yw ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 13.54.03 # bagder: around? 13.54.42 # yeah 13.56.42 # bagder : http://www.mail-archive.com/rockbox-dev@cool.haxx.se/msg02011.html : I've figured if it's gpl'd and you can distribute it freely, then It may use trademarks, as trademarks are for commercial purpose. I'm sorry it took me 2 month to respond... 13.57.21 # you confuse matters 13.57.36 # "Poor forehead, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 3 times" 13.57.51 # :D 13.57.52 # lamed: they can indeed have trademarks that would make it impossible to ship something even if it is GPLed 13.58.28 # that's a cruel world we're living in. 13.58.34 # Also, GPL doesn't mean non-commercial 14.00.55 # linuxstb: hmm, is there something special to do in order to make the COP running? (other than just defining NUM_CORES 2 etc.) 14.01.00 # rasher: Is there a reason why your irc stats only list the realnames for some of the nicks? 14.01.12 # All mentioned nickas in the top stats are known... 14.01.52 # btw, who is forehead? Haven't seen him in the channel :-P 14.02.05 # amiconn: I did the configure a while ago, and set realnames for all the nicks I could find 14.02.28 Join forehead [0] (i=3e088e42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-33c75162b656e78c) 14.02.32 # amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks 14.02.43 # LOL 14.02.54 # * petur slaps forehead for real this time 14.03.01 # petur, beware slapping forehead. He may strike back 14.03.09 # ... too late ;-) 14.03.10 # Ouch! :) 14.03.24 Quit jba ("Leaving") 14.03.42 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.10.67) 14.04.03 Quit petur ("worrrk") 14.04.15 Quit forehead (Client Quit) 14.04.51 # did any of you see the new zune player by microsoft (question mark) 14.04.52 # Slasheri: The COP support isn't working properly AFAIK. 14.05.13 # Slasheri: Check dan_a's patches on flyspray - I think there's one there which isn't committed. 14.05.14 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.05.18 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 14.05.44 # ah, ok thanks 14.06.58 Join hsaliak [0] (n=hsaliak@cm198.kappa197.maxonline.com.sg) 14.07.11 # hello , i am trying to install rockbox on my ipod nano from netbsd 14.08.52 # and... ? 14.09.32 # i am trying to translate the instructions for linux into something bsd, now it says sdb1 is the firmware partition for linux, however i see 2 partitions only in netbsd, sd0d and sd0e, in netbsd the d partition always represents the full disk, so i have extracted the mbr from that 14.10.06 # now the firmware.. , has any user done such things from freebsd or any other bsd before? im sure there have been? 14.10.48 # I know people have used freebsd at least 14.11.18 # one question pls if i load a new theme do i need to load the wps file too ? 14.11.48 # yes if this works surely ill put something in the wiki 14.11.53 # brb 14.11.54 # hsaliak: The Mac OS X instructions are probably closer to BSD than the Linux ones. 14.14.02 # in FreeBSD my players show up as da0 14.15.32 # linuxstb: cool ill take a look at that 14.16.28 # The question is if bsd gives you a device node for partitions of type 0 (which means "empty"). On Linux you do, but on Mac OS X you don't - so on Mac OS X you need the diskdump tool which accesses the first partition via the "whole disk" device node. 14.17.49 # linuxstb: it doesnt give me the device node. but i have access to the "whole disk" sd0d . 14.18.18 # so ill use diskdump , i'd have to compile it for netbsd though 14.18.22 # thanks! 14.22.34 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.23.46 Join szyewei [0] (n=yewei@61.171.93.137) 14.26.36 Join acespace [0] (n=acespace@83.171.70.38) 14.27.24 Quit acespace (Remote closed the connection) 14.28.05 Quit szyewei (SendQ exceeded) 14.28.39 Join szyewei [0] (n=yewei@61.171.93.137) 14.28.39 Quit szyewei (SendQ exceeded) 14.29.20 Join szyewei [0] (n=yewei@61.171.93.137) 14.30.09 Quit szyewei (SendQ exceeded) 14.30.42 Join szyewei [0] (n=yewei@61.171.93.137) 14.31.20 # hello 14.33.42 # sorry to be a pain but where cani get fonts from 14.34.46 # lalalal 14.34.58 # The daily builds page 14.35.25 # http://www.google.com/search?q=rockbox+fonts ? 14.35.28 # you guys know toooooooooooooooo muck 14.35.33 # you guys know toooooooooooooooo much 14.35.33 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549329C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.36.23 # linuxstb:if i am using array i need to control free calls.. 14.36.34 # I can't understand how to implant it 14.40.31 # Tyronemaskell, the manual has answers to about all your questions ;-) 14.41.48 # Gnelik: The idea is to rewrite the code so it doesn't need to use free. 14.43.07 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 14.44.49 # can the rockbox dualboot on sansa? 14.46.00 # yep 14.47.17 # linuxstb: still can;t understand how to implant it, i am to stupid 14.48.23 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 14.48.25 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.48.45 # szyewel; it can, but you need a new version of crt0-pp.S which isn't in CVS yet 14.49.28 # szyewei* 14.49.48 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 14.49.49 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.51.00 Quit funky_ ("leaving") 14.51.20 # here's a working version of crt0-pp.S http://pastebin.ca/266901 14.51.30 # it only builds a working bootloader though 14.51.33 # not normal build 14.52.20 # hello, is the diskdump mentioned in the ipod nano manual a similar utility to dd? I am trying to install from a BSD. It seems the diskdump is a 3rd party util? 14.53.21 # diskdump was written (by me) specifically to access ipods from Mac OS to install Rockbox. 14.54.16 # ah ok so the 'diskdump' utils i found by googling are some other diskdumps with the same name then 14.54.31 # linuxstb: i'd be grateful if you could point me to the source 14.54.42 # It should be on the Mac OS X install page, next to the binary. 14.56.46 # hsaliak: There's a link to it in the table of file attachments at the bottom of that page. 14.57.46 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html im following this 14.57.55 # sorry i know im being a bit silly here 14.58.23 # And that doesn't mention the source? (tut, tut...) 14.58.30 # The page I was referring to is here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX 15.03.21 # linuxstb: ok, cool got it and compiled 15.03.46 # the first partion about 78MB , about right? 15.04.25 Quit Gnelik ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.05.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.06.14 # yes it tallies 15.06.16 # thanks 15.11.28 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.12.38 # linuxstb: worked like a charm so far! 15.13.25 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.180.14) 15.15.21 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 15.17.24 Join webguest46 [0] (i=3e9938e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5c0d2197c36873e2) 15.18.13 # bluebrother: (and other manual authors) The ipod installation parts of the manual give links to binaries for ipod_fw, ipodpatcher and diskdump, but it doesn't mention that they are GPL'd, or gives directions for obtaining the source. I can understand you not wanting to clutter the manual, but I think that info should be there somewhere. 15.18.18 # % 15.18.23 # Another questions is if the manual also contain a copy of the GPL and links for obtaining the Rockbox source? 15.18.45 Quit Tyronemaskell () 15.20.48 Quit webguest46 (Client Quit) 15.23.21 # Why would we need to include the gpl in the manual? I do think instructions for getting the source will be nice though? 15.24.11 # It's the license that lets people use Rockbox... 15.24.28 # We do ship COPYING in the zip files... 15.25.55 # Isn't the gpl included in the manuals? I remember that this was the case with the old manuals... 15.26.07 # I was just thinking the same... 15.26.33 # Hm, the gfdl is 15.27.38 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.28.11 # in fact I already thought about adding the GPL itself to the manual. We have the GFDL, why not also add the GPL? 15.29.10 # That should also make that issue clear, especially if we add a small paragraph that stated the manual to be gfdl and Rockbox itself gpl 15.33.09 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=MARVIN_T@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 15.34.23 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496773E.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.36.02 # thanks linuxstb i have loaded rockbox onto my ipod nano from netbsd 15.36.11 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 15.36.22 # q 15.36.24 Quit szyewei ("Leaving") 15.38.51 # What happened to the old (2.5) manual? The word "manual" on the download page in this sentence "We have a very nice manual written by Christi Scarborough." is a link to the (new) RockboxManual wiki page, with no mention of the old version. 15.40.04 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p5493288D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.40.25 # linuxstb: was there ever a 2.5 manual released? 15.40.38 # I think the old manual was 2.4 only. 15.40.49 # but I suggested putting that to the download page as well 15.40.49 # Maybe not, maybe 2.4 was the last... But in any case, the old manual seems to have vanished. 15.41.11 # www.rockbox.org/manual/manual.pdf is for 2.1 15.41.16 # as the current "new" manual is quite different to the old version 2.5 15.41.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/RockboxManual/rockbox-manual-2.4.pdf 15.42.06 # There are lots of links to RockboxManual, telling people there are manuals for specific releases there... 15.42.22 # So maybe just add an "Old manuals" download section on that page. 15.42.30 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.43.38 # IMO having the old manual on the download page (which covers the latest release) would be good. 15.44.16 # Although it seems there wasn't a 2.5 manual... 15.45.31 # * bluebrother is out for a while 15.47.01 # looks like barrywardell is coming closer to working dual-boot on the h10 15.47.30 Quit Criamos (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.47.52 # yup, I have it working now :) 15.48.05 # that's very nice news indeed 15.49.51 # so now it works both on Sansa and on H10 :) It would be good to know if the changes to crt0-pp.S work for the iPods too 15.50.18 # What did you need to do? 15.53.34 # http://pastebin.ca/266901 15.53.45 # that's the version for a bootloader written by dan_a 15.54.18 # http://pastebin.ca/266949 15.54.25 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 15.54.29 # and there's a version for a normal build 15.54.46 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.54.55 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 15.55.22 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 15.55.35 Quit funky_ (Client Quit) 15.56.15 # it just makes sure only the CPU clears the BSS, gives the cpu and cop separate stacks, makes the BL run from IRAM so it's not overwriting in SDRAM and flushing the cache as appropriate 15.56.20 # i think 15.57.17 # That should all be fine on the ipod. The BL is already copied to IRAM, and I can't see how flushing the cache could hurt. 15.57.24 # doesn't sound it differs too much from what we already do 15.57.28 # yes 15.57.44 # s/could/will not/ ... 15.58.13 # (ignore that s//....) 15.58.15 # hahaha 15.59.00 # * linuxstb heads towards the machine generating black liquid 15.59.41 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 16.00.04 # yeah, a large stout clears your head ;-) 16.00.42 # it's not all that different 16.01.01 # hahahah 16.01.21 # * Bagder goes away to cook lasagna 16.01.51 # * preglow tries forgetting about stouts as quickly as he can 16.02.43 Join half_dead [0] (n=half_dea@ip143.166.1211G-CUD12K-03.ish.de) 16.03.01 # hello 16.03.12 # any one alive in here 16.03.22 # no... we are all dead 16.03.47 # you are the only one half_dead ;) 16.03.50 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-70a83763aefc7aa1) 16.04.52 # jhMikeS: awake? 16.05.15 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 16.06.30 # hehe 16.06.45 # can some one help me finding out th ehitachi default hd password 16.07.38 # while i search and try out i came onur web site 16.08.44 Join forehead [0] (i=3e088e42@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 16.09.23 # petur: forehead seems that came here for a revenge!!! :P 16.09.41 # half_alive: http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html 16.09.42 # would anyone happen to know if 'inline' also implies 'static' for a function? 16.09.54 # preglow: No it doesn't 16.09.59 # amiconn: thought so, thanks 16.11.28 # amiconn: would you also happen to know what is the correct order of keywords? static inline or inline static? 16.11.43 # doesn't look like it matters for gcc 16.11.50 # Shouldn't matter 16.12.18 # help 16.12.19 # (but for some reason I would always write static inline) 16.12.30 # half_dead: http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html 16.12.40 # k 16.12.41 # let me check there 16.12.50 # amiconn: yeah, me too, inline static looks weird for some reason i can't quite explain 16.13.07 # i tryed that already 16.13.16 # half_dead: 'The password is all spaces' 16.13.16 # probably just sounds better ;) 16.13.34 # all i know is it high protected and i tryed every pass out which i do set none of em works :(( 16.13.52 # so think maybe default master pass from hitachi could help 16.15.00 # no idea, sorry 16.15.16 # In High security mode, you can unlock the disk with either the user or master password, using the "SECURITY UNLOCK DEVICE" ATA command. There is an attempt limit, normally set to 5, after which you must power cycle or hard-reset the disk before you can attempt again. 16.15.27 # how do i use the ata cmd´s` 16.15.54 # and how do i hard rest it ?? 16.16.21 # * forehead slaps petur 16.16.36 # hahaha 16.16.39 # hehe 16.16.42 # * petur didn't see that one coming 16.17.30 # forehead's reveng-a! 16.18.13 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.18.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF783A.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.18.31 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 16.18.48 # Genre9mp3: "Toshiba Gigabeat brunch" ? 16.18.58 # feeling hungry? 16.19.12 # Mjamm :) 16.19.22 # petur: This paragraph isn't written by me actually! :P 16.19.28 # Bagder, linuxstb: what do you think about splitting crt0-pp.S into separate bootloader and non-bootloader files? There are only a few lines not ifdef'ed in the current version (and they're mostly the lines that had to be rearranged. 16.19.44 # petur: Also, the sub-headings aren't mine, too 16.21.55 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.22.03 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 16.23.07 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.23.10 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 16.23.29 # barrywardell: as long as it leads to very little code duplication, at least it's fine by me 16.23.40 # can any one help ??? 16.23.46 # finding out default pass ? 16.23.48 Quit funky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.25.43 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 16.26.40 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC") 16.28.00 # i'll try to combine the two files I have again and see how it looks. 16.28.01 # barrywardell: I'm in favour as well. I especially #ifdefs with a lot of code inside them (i.e. more than a few lines). 16.28.10 # ^especially dislike 16.28.16 # * linuxstb needs more stout 16.28.46 # i would prefer separate files two. there will be some code duplication, but hopefully not much 16.28.50 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paul@vpn-3042.gwdg.de) 16.28.55 # A value of 0xFFFE means the Master password is unchanged. 16.29.07 # nice so far 16.29.12 # mine is there to 16.29.21 # i need default pass 16.29.34 # 3 month search till i came here 16.29.36 # help 16.29.43 # Also, do we need those STUB tests in crt0-pp ? Isn't that just for the iFP gdb builds? 16.30.40 # i was wondering about that. and also when is the DEBUG stuff used? 16.31.08 # half_dead: Locked disks haven't been a Rockbox issue for about 3 or 4 years I think - which is why you're not getting much help... 16.31.40 # :( 16.31.44 # can u do ?? 16.32.05 # No, I've no idea... But hang around, maybe someone will appear who can help. 16.32.18 # aight 16.33.59 # barrywardell: Again, probably only on the iFP debug builds. 16.34.52 # the iFP doesn't use a PP chip, does it? 16.34.59 # No, a different ARM. 16.35.31 # "PNX0101" 16.40.49 # linuxstb: I would like to generalise the DAC drivers a bit. I would like to call the functions dac_* because codec_* might be a bit confusing although it is more correct. 16.40.52 # what do you think? 16.41.17 # They are also ADCs... 16.41.25 # yes, I know 16.41.33 # well, not all of them 16.41.58 # adac ;) 16.42.02 # I remember having this conversation before and I think someone suggested audiohw_ 16.42.13 # ok, I'll go with that 16.42.32 # But yes, I agree with the idea, and also agree codec_ is confusing. 16.42.34 # (German automobile club) 16.42.52 # amiconn: ah yes :) 16.44.11 # But yes, codec is confusing and dac is incorrect, hmm... 16.45.20 # and just audio_ is not very specific 16.45.54 # hwcodec? 16.46.13 # linuxstb: DEBUG builds don't even compile for H10 and iPod. and STUB builds are only an option for iFP 16.46.23 # barrywardell: Yes, that's what I thought. 16.46.37 # linuxstb: might confuse people with the MAS, don't you think? 16.46.58 # Couldn't we use the same name for MAS functions? 16.47.01 # audiocodec_ , but that's pretty long... 16.47.30 # markun: Sorry, you meant confusion with HWCODEC/SWCODEC... 16.47.34 # Police kill N.C. student accused in Playstation 3 robbery 16.47.37 # yes 16.47.50 # http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/16160745.htm 16.48.08 Quit barrywardell () 16.48.51 # I'll just start. Can always do a search and replace in the patch 16.50.46 # still no audio on the Gigabeat btw :( 16.52.03 Part thinman 16.53.37 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 16.53.47 # any clues? 16.54.36 Quit thomasg_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.54.50 # markun: What's the status apart from audio playback? 16.55.19 # preglow: not really, but maybe just something stupid I overlooked. someone else will work on it this week. 16.55.50 # * preglow looks forward to the next gentlemen mail :) 16.56.16 # * Genre9mp3 wonders about markuns test mp3 16.56.21 # Are you implementing audio in a similar way to the PP targets? i.e. with a FIQ? 16.56.38 # linuxstb: buttons, backlight, power management, plugins all work very nice 16.56.56 # Tried mpegplayer? 16.56.57 # markun: how much is commited? 16.56.59 # we have some problems with USB but they are almost fixed 16.57.09 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.57.30 # linuxstb: it gives me a data abort when I play a file > 9MB and just freezes after the 1st frame for smaller files. 16.57.31 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 16.57.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.57.45 # We need to slow down the gameboy emu a bit :) 16.57.59 # haha, i forgot about the ridculously fast cpu 16.58.01 # i want one :> 16.58.11 # perhaps a linear scaling will fix that :) 16.58.45 # preglow: well, it's not too fast, but there are some things to improve 16.59.46 # I suppose rockboy runs realtime on the Gigabeat? 17.00.54 # Does the gigabeat have IRAM? 17.01.55 # yes, 4KB :) 17.02.02 # pretty useless 17.02.12 # but it does have a cache, yes? 17.02.19 # have you tested decoding speed yet? 17.02.23 # but enabling the cache made the gigabeat about 1000x faster 17.02.55 # preglow: no, trying to play a song just freezes rockbox 17.03.00 # You could test the mp3/wavpack encoders (if they're still there). 17.03.11 # yes, I will 17.03.11 # would be very interesting... 17.04.51 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 17.05.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.08.07 # wav2wv is about 490% realtime. I'll test on my iriver. 17.08.09 # * forehead slaps petur again 17.08.14 Quit forehead ("CGI:IRC") 17.08.19 # hey 17.08.26 # :) 17.08.27 # :) 17.08.40 # kick and run 17.09.21 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7561.msg59302#msg59302 can anyone help me to potr it, i am trying to do this a whole day!!! 17.09.52 # petur: gotta start kicking forehead 17.10.11 # markun: well, that's decent... 17.10.19 # markun: what clock do you run at now? 17.10.30 # 296MHz 17.10.31 Quit funky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.10.49 # preglow: nah, I think I'll have some fine beer tonight :p 17.11.12 # iriver gives about 195% realtime 17.11.36 # so will i, and i've got a bottle of very nice chocolate stout waiting for consumption 17.11.53 # markun: definitely decent 17.12.09 # * petur doesn't like those special fuit and chocolat beers 17.12.22 # i think arm performs worse at wavpack encoding than coldfire 17.12.30 # a good thing the ipods are so slow. With only gigabeats noone would work on ARM optimisations.. 17.13.03 # I hope you're only going to clock it at 75MHz - it's unfair otherwise. 17.13.04 # markun: you know of any shop selling F60? 17.13.13 # petur: it's around 10% and doesn't really taste much chocolate, heh 17.13.24 # it does however taste great 17.13.29 # linuxstb: and make a turbo_boost() function? 17.13.42 # several boost levels! 17.14.40 # almost every question I see on mygigabeat I want to answer with "just wait for rockbox, it will fix this" 17.14.46 # Does the Toshiba firmware do anything that needs such a CPU? 17.15.00 # It has flashing dots in the WPS! 17.15.03 # send you details to the fbi? 17.15.31 # linuxstb: but no, nothing they do needs a fast CPU 17.15.44 # besides running linux 17.15.57 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 17.15.57 # And nothing Rockbox does needs it either... (yet) 17.16.11 # except extreme gaming :P 17.17.19 # video playback would be an "easy" task on Gigabeat, though 17.19.40 # Doom froze after "initialising graphics engine" but I didn't debug 17.20.35 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 17.25.29 Quit Genre9mp3 () 17.27.19 Join thomasg [0] (n=thomasg@p57AFD1A8.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.29.31 # I've seen a few builds using a so-called 'colorised-sudoku' patch/diff.. Of course, it's not on flyspray.. anyone ever seen that somewhere? 17.30.36 # checked MR? 17.30.51 # or our own forum? 17.31.53 # Yeah,. but no such luck. It's not bad though, will force me to go check in the source and see if it's trivial (or not) to do it.. 17.31.57 # I thought amiconn (and/or pixelma) made such a patch? 17.32.27 # I remember testing such a build a while ago. 17.32.40 # well I made coloured graphics for it - I just don't remember how "open" that became 17.33.02 # It's said to be Ashen from MR, but seems he hasn't been logging there for a month, and there's no mention of it on their forums. 17.33.21 # Possibly a patch made independently from pixelma's then. 17.33.23 Quit half_dead ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]") 17.33.42 # Ahh, might well be. 17.34.27 # linuxstb: amiconn asked you about it here - it wasn't put elsewhere 17.36.27 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 17.37.35 # pixelma - I'm looking at getting a board where I can see the cells (the grid), as right now I get only one big blank square. I guess it shouldn't be too hard even for a newb.. (well, one could hope!) 17.41.21 # sorry.. what did you do and what do you want to do? 17.41.47 # pixelma - nevermind :) 17.42.00 # was more like thinking aloud 17.44.59 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.46.52 # PaulPosition: But anyway, whoever distributes those builds should be making the source available... 17.49.29 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 17.49.59 # * petur resets licking alert 17.54.50 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 17.55.45 # pondlife: are there known seeking bugs? 17.56.19 # AFAIK, only when seeking near the end of a track, and the decoder has moved onto the next track. 17.56.30 # But I may be out of date 17.56.39 # in that case I found a new one 17.56.55 # ? 17.56.58 # Do ARM support'sfloating point ariphmetics? 17.58.15 # The ARMs in the currently support Rockbox players don't. 17.58.22 # ^supported 17.58.55 # I mean there is no hardware support, but gcc will generate software floating-point code for you. 18.00.18 Join Pikcc [0] (i=underwat@202.10.86.63) 18.00.32 # rockbox won't let me shut down my 4g ipod while it's charging, it stays booted up the entire time. any way around it? 18.01.04 # pondlife: in a large WAV (1GB but shouldn't be related) somewhere in the middle playing, I just held 'left' to seek back 10 seconds in the file. Instead of resuming playback it continued quite a bit further in the file. Trying to seek back again seemed to do nothing at all. At one point it even froze. 18.01.31 # I had it several times so it should be fairly reproducable 18.01.56 # Pikcc: That's a hardware feature. It needs to be on to charge. 18.02.01 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.02.21 # hehe, that's not even funny, LinusN flashed back my iriver with just the original iriver fw without rockbox bootloader at all :D 18.02.38 # rofl 18.03.09 # Ah. 18.03.15 # Will it shut down when fully charged? 18.03.33 # No. 18.04.22 # petur: Sounds like an overflow? Maybe try an old version...? Pop it on Flyspray either way... 18.04.58 # sure 18.05.01 # I just booted H340 RetailOS and all my LCD settings were odd. Weird colours etc, nothing you can set up intentonally. 18.05.08 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.05.11 # known issue 18.05.19 # Ah, how come? 18.05.31 # rockbox corrupts the eeprom on h3x0 18.05.42 # I'm testing JDGordon's patches, not likely to be that then. 18.05.43 # ? 18.05.53 # I even have a good copy on my webspace to hand out to people who get stuck 18.06.18 # I just reset defaults and it seemed ok. Luckily I could read the screen I guess. 18.06.18 # sometimes it's so bad that iriver fw refuses to boot 18.06.39 # What is the eeprom used for (by Rockbox)? I mean, Rockbox can't just do that by accident, right? 18.06.47 # nothing atm 18.06.49 # Do we have EEPROM writing code at all? Or is it a sideeffect. 18.07.07 # we do have now but the issue was there before 18.07.19 # OK, so very likely a side effect of some other i/o. 18.07.28 # There's code for the H1x0 series at least, don't know if it is enabled by default... 18.07.38 # the only reason h3x0 has eeprom writing code was to help out somebody who got stuck 18.07.54 # Slasheri: around? 18.08.21 # the h3x0 eeprom write code is in the debug menu at the bottom and just writes back a whole file 18.08.22 # zylche: asquare? ;P 18.08.32 # :P 18.08.47 # but the eeprom and pcf share the i2c lines 18.09.51 # petur: Thinking about the mysterious eeprom corruption bug? 18.10.10 # * amiconn has no idea what his original H300 fw does. 18.10.20 # Didn't use it for months... 18.10.31 # amiconn: [18:05] I just booted H340 RetailOS and all my LCD settings were odd. Weird colours etc, nothing you can set up intentonally. 18.11.04 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@gw-wlan.ece.fr) 18.11.15 # * petur enters it by accident if he forgets to power on before inserting charger 18.11.49 # and (don't dare to mention it) usbotg 18.12.20 # gtg - back later 18.12.27 Quit petur ("bang") 18.13.32 # pondlife: I am testing JdGordon's menu settings patch also on my Ondio and it seems like something prevents writing playlist (and resume position, settings changes) during rebuffer so everything is lost when the batteries went flat before I return to file browser - is there any possibility that you can test whether it is only a problem on Ondio? 18.17.27 # Do you mean if you edit a playlist? 18.18.35 # amiconn: yes 18.19.00 # amiconn: btw, do you think i should commit the rom support for h1xx (just got the unit back, should be working soon)? 18.19.08 # I also went into my OF by pluggin in the charger... The charging screen was in very odd colours!! 18.19.11 # Slasheri: I was thinking a bit more about the virtual sector stuff 18.19.38 # Now I think that implementing it without increased sector buffers is not only possible, but in fact nearly trivial... 18.19.45 # pondlife: no... that happens during normal playback (so resume position won't be right and settings a changed while music was playing) 18.20.02 # amiconn: hmm, that sounds great 18.20.19 # We just need to calculate secmult in fat_mount, and then multiply it into the cluster size and a few other size/position values 18.20.25 # After that we can forget about it... 18.20.30 # pixelma: I haven't noticed that, but may not have tried. Will check. 18.20.41 # hmm.. might be working 18.21.33 # I will set up a test disk with large virtual sectors (with linux) and try my idea 18.21.43 # Then I'll provide a patch for you to test :) 18.21.47 # nice :) 18.21.50 # hehe 18.22.16 # Well, you're the only "full dev" (to say so) with a G5.5 ... 18.22.49 # * linuxstb repeats his call for a 5.5g owner with Windows to test the latest ipodpatcher 18.23.11 # linuxstb: i might be able to test that soon 18.23.21 # Does anyone know how to fetch a certain state from cvs, with multiple files but not all? 18.23.23 # now i am home and have one windows machine too 18.23.51 # Hmm, probably just cvs up to a sticky date in one working copy and then move the files over... 18.23.58 # amiconn: just fetch the individual single files? 18.24.02 # from a certain date 18.26.44 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.27.07 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 18.28.23 Join nudelin [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-66-224.dslaccess.co.uk) 18.29.12 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 18.29.22 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.30.39 # hmm.. iriver fw says it's H115 version but unit is H140.. 18.30.56 # maybe linus accidentally flashed the H110 firmware.. 18.31.10 # at least firmware upgrade doesn't seem to work 18.32.06 # isn't the hex called something different for h110/115? 18.32.41 # yes.. just wondering if it's enough to rename the hex file from ihp_120.hex to ihp_110.hex 18.33.06 # try it ;-) 18.33.18 # hmm, probably not.. need to patch the h120 bootloader with h110 hex file 18.36.34 Quit nudel (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.37.55 # Slasheri: the usb click of death fix you did for the iPod would be useful on H10 too. I just added ata_sleepnow() to usb_enable(). is that right? 18.37.57 # Can't you flash an unpatched ihp_120.hex before? 18.38.28 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ded35f2e174b635f) 18.38.29 # barrywardell: ah, sounds correct. Just add sleep(HZ*2); before the poweroff too 18.38.35 # amiconn: how? 18.38.41 # * n1s wonders why we build one manual for h110/115 and one for 120/140 when they're the same... 18.38.57 # Slasheri: By renaming it to ihp_110.hex ? 18.39.02 # i don't think i can flash h120 firmware when the fw thinks it's h110.. 18.39.13 # but there is the model flag? 18.39.16 # well, i will try 18.39.25 # Is there? I don't know 18.39.39 # i think i saw that in the firmware patcher utility.. 18.39.42 # Best would be to ask LinusN probably... 18.40.38 # Linus just wanted some challenge so i could brick it again ;D 18.45.27 # ok, thanks Slasheri 18.45.28 # pixelma: Just tried a skip, skip, shutdown during playback with the settings patch and it remembered my place perfectly. Does that cover your case? 18.45.32 # amiconn: yep, didn't work. There seems to be a model flag 18.45.57 # so he's given your h140 a new personality, how nice! 18.46.03 # n1s: those manuals are the same. 18.46.04 # :D 18.46.16 Join charkins [0] (n=casey@pdpc/supporter/active/charkins) 18.46.22 # preglow: or he wanted to be sure i won't brick it again -> no chances to install rockbox ;) 18.46.37 # bluebrother: yes that's what i meant but why do we build two of them? (on the manual page) 18.46.38 # well.. i will now try patching the firmware "incorrectly" and flashing that 18.46.41 # just look at the links 18.46.45 # The h140 thinking to be a h115 shouldn't cause major problems, but the optical in/out won't work properly 18.46.58 # amiconn: optical out seems to be always on 18.47.01 # there are only two links (to the same file) as it's the same table as for the daily builds 18.47.02 # at least the led is 18.47.10 # oh so we have two links nex to each other pointing at the same thing :-) 18.47.12 # It should be on when you set it to off and vice versa 18.47.19 # ah, hehe 18.47.54 # exactly ;-) Easier than dealing with user complaints because the manuals are the same but the builds different ... 18.48.04 # pondlife: not exactly I guess - with stopping playback and shutdown there's no problem - but when the unit shuts itself off because of low battery 18.48.07 # (and because of that it probablywon't work at all. The led will be on when you set it to off, but the firmware thinks it's off and doesn't send data) 18.48.12 # pondlife: ever get a chance to look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6317? The bug was identified, but I don't know the best solution. 18.49.04 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.37.200) 18.49.18 # pondlife: although it had chances to write it during rebuffering 18.49.30 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Remote closed the connection) 18.49.49 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.37.200) 18.50.31 # amiconn: ok, now trying to flash h110 hex with h120 bootloader 18.50.59 # at least it does something now :) 18.51.35 # amiconn: worked, i have rockbox again o/ 18.52.04 # now iriver feels so much better than ipod.. 18.53.26 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.236.208) 18.54.29 # I've been thinking that maybe playback be easier of the there wasn't a separate codec thread, but rather, the playback engine just calls a function like codec_decode(buf) whenever it needs more data? 18.55.06 # lowlight: If we can simplify it then yes, that would be very good 18.55.24 # Sorry, haven't actually looked at playback.c in about a month now :( 18.56.01 # lowlight: that sounds rather complex.. how codec could handle all events etc. 18.56.13 # * pondlife thinks there must be a good reason for a seperate codec thread. 18.56.39 # I assume the events would be handled by the audio thread only.. 18.57.02 # lowlight: hmm, ah.. now i see what you mean 18.57.07 # Slasheri: how more complex...let the playback engine handle all events 18.57.17 # Voice? 18.57.28 # still, buffering needs to be done simultaneously with decoding 18.57.42 # and that is the main thing for audio thread to do.. 18.58.10 # Maybe the split should be buffering/playback...? 18.58.12 # where's your new buffering api? 18.58.33 # lowlight: haven't had time for that.. 18.58.54 # and playback engine seems to have stabilized a bit 18.58.54 # pondlife: I don't know but maybe the low battery handling that got commited a while ago prevents such a sudden shutdown on H300 now 18.59.00 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.59.57 # I was thinking that video could also use the playback engine then too...playback would just push some data to the video codec and direct it to the lcd instead of the dsp 19.00.21 # pixelma: I've never risked a low battery situation really. I don't know if I'd expect it to save in such a situation, hard disk writing should be avoided if you're about to die. 19.01.35 # lowlight: I like the idea, but speak to lostlogic before doing much on it! I'm sure there must be a reason we didn't do this before. 19.02.20 # well I meant that it didn't save during all the rebuffer periods before - but maybe there's no way to test for you because it will always save before a shutdown 19.03.25 # pondlife: I'm not doing much more than thinking :) 19.03.28 # pondlife: There's an easy way to test sudden shutdown on iriver: just use the reset button 19.04.32 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.04.42 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 19.05.14 # amiconn: how does playback work for archos...does the playback engine just "push" data to the decoder? 19.05.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.05.36 # One reset later - I confirm it does not save track or position!#] 19.05.47 # The MAS signals that it needs data via an interrupt 19.06.02 # pixelma: Do you want me to update Flyspray, or have you? 19.06.02 # The isr enabled or disables the dma accordingly 19.06.12 # I plan to buy a iAudio X5L DAP. If I install rockbox on it, will I miss the BBE features? And how's the sound of rockbox in comparison to the original fw? 19.06.20 # The end-of-dma interrupt fetches the next chunk 19.06.57 # amiconn: hmm, can i "jmp %d0" or does it need to be "jmp %a0" register? 19.06.57 # pondlife: haven't so far - I guess it would be easier for you to explain it (I'm not very good at it today) 19.07.24 # I will do now 19.07.44 # thanks :) 19.08.21 # Hmm, I may not have had any rebuffering... probably didn't. actually.. 19.08.26 # I'll just retest 19.08.30 # markun: is the gigabeat f10 supported in your port? 19.09.03 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 19.09.22 # * amiconn dissects his recorder to put his test HDD in 19.09.23 # I'm also getting 100% boost.. 19.10.10 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 19.10.13 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 19.11.22 # w00t for Slasheri that finally has his H140 working! :D 19.11.38 # Slasheri: You must write a book on your H140 flashing adventures :P 19.11.42 # XavierGr: yep, now i try to be more careful not to brick it again :D 19.11.48 # hehe :D 19.12.49 Quit TeaSea (Connection timed out) 19.13.45 # Anyone else testing the settings patch on a target with CPU boost? I find that just starting up leaves CPU boosted,... now to try an unpatched CVS build. 19.14.09 Quit PaulPosition () 19.14.17 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 19.14.29 # Slasheri: btw, now that you've got an ipod, do you have any ideas on how to improve ui handling? 19.14.47 # preglow: yes, i have two ideas in mind 19.15.00 # preglow: at first need to get the COP working 19.15.33 Join heyJulius [0] (n=heyJuliu@67.84-48-110.nextgentel.com) 19.15.45 # and after that UI would have the highest priority on its own core, and when there are multiple wheel events in queue, cpu would get boosted 19.17.06 # preglow: and i seem to get a lot of data aborts and other kind of problems 19.17.16 # problems i never had with iriver 19.18.03 # Slasheri: it's no secret that the ipod still lags somewhat behind in stability, no 19.18.13 # Slasheri: even the cpu freq switching is giving us headaches like that 19.18.21 # hehe, true 19.18.33 # btw, is there a key combination to switch on the morse mode on ipod? 19.18.36 Quit ender` (" Top reason why compilers are like women: Miss a period and they go crazy") 19.18.41 # using that click wheel for typing is horrible :D 19.18.52 # Slasheri: i have absolutely no idea, i don't use the keyboard often enough too bother learning morse 19.18.59 # as a matter of fact, i don't use it at all :> 19.19.24 # i use it for searching with the database 19.19.44 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p5493288D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.20.04 # ah, i don't use the database 19.20.09 # and in general, clickwheel needs serious improvements 19.20.16 # indeed, no secrets 19.20.25 # it should react to speed of motion, not the amount 19.20.29 # i'd like some acceleration 19.20.51 # Slasheri: Afaik, morse mode is only enabled for irivers 19.20.52 # i think it should work like it does in retailos 19.20.56 # it's the one thing apple does right 19.21.00 # amiconn: ah, ok 19.21.17 # hehe, i didn't use the retailos at all.. 19.21.19 # Imho it should be there for all targets 19.21.34 # just booted it and patched rockbox.. :) 19.21.43 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.21.43 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.37.200) 19.21.47 # * amiconn also didn't use apple retailos on his mini G2 :) 19.21.50 # it should be there for all targets 19.21.59 # if i were to use the keyboard, i'd learn morse code for sure 19.22.17 # Yes, even though it will probably also break rombox 19.22.39 # This is a real feature 19.22.40 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF783A.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.22.42 # i used retailos a tiny bit before rockbox ran on ipods 19.22.52 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 19.23.08 # amiconn: do you have a list of specific code that can be optimised for size? 19.23.40 # I think there are many places which could benefit from optimisation 19.23.42 # and now i got the whitenoise and all kind of cripplecracks again 19.23.50 # need to reboot ipod to get rid of it 19.23.51 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.23.56 # well, sure, but a list would be cool 19.23.59 # Slasheri: never got that 19.24.05 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.37.200) 19.24.09 # Bookmarking is one of the first that come to mind 19.24.12 # preglow: i have got that everyday :/ 19.24.16 # Slasheri: how/when? 19.24.26 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.24.34 # hmm, in fact might be related to crossfade 19.24.40 # ahh, that might explain it 19.24.40 # i never use that 19.24.47 # i got it almost always after skipping tracks 19.24.55 # * preglow uses perhaps 1% of rockbox, heh 19.24.59 # :D 19.25.04 # Tagcache (ahem, database) might be another, at least Slasheri said so iirc 19.25.17 # most of my own code that i run is probably codec based 19.25.46 # the code i like to deal with isn't even included in rombox 19.25.55 # Sure? 19.26.04 # The resampler is, on H1x0 19.26.29 # But that one won't break any time soon 19.26.53 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-7-126.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.26.54 # ah, i don't think of the h1x0 one as rombox 19.26.55 # * amiconn suddenly wants 512KB ROMs ... 19.27.11 # double i; 19.27.11 # i=i+(1/plot.x_mod) 19.27.32 # but it rounds 19.27.49 # Try 1.0 instead of 1 19.28.16 # euh? we don't do float, don't we? 19.28.24 # then plot.x_mod is an integer 19.28.33 # petur: i think it can be excused in a function plotter 19.28.43 # petur: Not in the core. Plugins can (but preferably shouldn't) 19.28.46 # ah well 19.28.46 # doing that in fixed point is a bloody nightmare 19.29.35 # amiconn: Tnx. It works. 19.30.13 # Is float do much speed dec. 19.30.23 # Gnelik: oh boy, yes 19.30.33 # Gnelik: but unless you're insane, you don't have much of a choice 19.30.46 # In %? 19.30.53 # many thousand, probably 19.31.07 # ho ho 19.31.09 # floating point is emulated in software 19.31.18 # i know 19.31.24 # it's _very_ slow 19.31.38 # but like i said, for a function plotter, just use it 19.31.43 # but if i need it 19.31.53 # must i implant it myself 19.32.05 # using int? 19.32.10 # no 19.32.19 # but it won't be to fast alsow 19.32.29 # but keep in mind that pow/sqrt/etc does not exist 19.32.38 # you pretty much only get +, -, / and * 19.32.58 # i have downloaded math lib 19.32.59 # Doesn't gcc provide a math lib? 19.33.04 # in C 19.33.08 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.33.20 # amiconn: probably not impossible, but i don't know if it's built by default 19.33.24 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A47186.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.33.37 # Perhaps we need a linker option 19.33.39 # it implant all this but i dont know if it will work 19.33.40 # amiconn: libm is what's supposed to be used anyway, and that's not bundled with gcc 19.33.51 # Oh, it's not? 19.34.06 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 19.34.26 # * amiconn didn't dela with such stuff so far 19.34.29 # *deal 19.38.44 # well, i don't think it is 19.38.49 # i'm not exactly an expert in the field myself 19.38.59 # the only time i've used libm has been on computers 19.40.13 # Slasheri: Using my simple idea shaves off more than 1KB of code on SH1. Now I hope it will work... 19.43.44 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.49.23 # amiconn: hmm, interesting 19.50.03 # * linuxstb spots libm.a in /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/ - so it must be part of either binutils or gcc... 19.50.29 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 19.51.01 # * linuxstb was looking at the wrong ARM compiler and should be ignored 19.51.24 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 19.52.12 # Wow, rockbox.zip is less than half the size of rockbox-full.zip 19.52.19 # (for recorder that is) 20.00.09 # * amiconn installs dosfstools 20.01.06 # * Slasheri verifies bootloader now many times before flashing on iriver :) 20.01.15 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.01.21 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.02.22 # btw, rockbox logo looks great on black background on ipod 20.03.08 # black ipod, dark screen and blue texts :) 20.04.59 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.217.67) 20.05.30 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 20.10.19 Quit zylche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.10.26 # mkfs.vfat -S 2048 /dev/sdc1 20.10.28 # :) 20.10.40 # copying contents... 20.12.03 # man, wtf is with Cowon. they give a number for obtaining service and then just refer you to the website with an automated message and hang up. bastards. 20.14.25 Quit secleinteer (Excess Flood) 20.14.28 Quit shnee (Excess Flood) 20.14.41 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-192-17.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 20.14.51 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.15.15 # W00t! Seems to work at the first try :D 20.15.25 # :-) 20.15.30 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com) 20.17.48 # amiconn: shouldn't you have used -F 32 also for mkfs.vfat? At least for me this is still required to get FAT32 20.18.05 # Not if the partition is large enough 20.18.13 # I use a 10GB disk for testing 20.18.22 # (single partition) 20.18.52 # amiconn: does the larger sectors affect performance? 20.19.10 # The way I implemented them now: not at all 20.20.19 # hmm. I once tried that on a large disk and it created FAT16 for me, so I was only able accessing ~2GiB 20.20.39 # Once the partition is mounted, everything works with 512 byte physical sectors 20.20.54 Join xamox [0] (i=x@liger.trans.mtu.edu) 20.20.55 # bluebrother: Maybe that was an old mkfs.vfat 20.21.22 # Slasheri: :) i'm using rockbox and the "Black" wps on my black ipod 20.21.42 # Is there a way to reset my rockbox. For some reason I can copy files to/from my rockbox on my iPod nano, but for some reason when I try to play a song it locks up and reboots. It didn't do this at first and now for some reason it's doing it 20.21.56 Quit |[Gino]| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.24.07 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.24.28 Join |[Gino]| [0] (n=kvirc@pool-72-73-96-67.ptldme.east.verizon.net) 20.24.48 # maybe. I was still under the impression it's still needed. 20.25.13 # xamox: you can reset the settings by enabling the hold switch upon boot 20.25.40 # bluebrother: alright, thx I'll give it a try. 20.25.40 # Specifies the type of file allocation tables used (12, 16 or 32 bit). If nothing is specified, mkdosfs will 20.25.43 # automatically select between 12 and 16 bit, whatever fits better for the filesystem size. 32 bit FAT (FAT32 20.25.47 # format) must (still) be selected explicitly if you want it. 20.26.00 # Sorry about the extra spaces 20.26.33 # bluebrother: awesome, that fixed it thx! 20.27.01 # Could be the manpage is inaccurate. Wouldn't be the first time that happened. 20.27.32 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.27.40 # rasher: My mkfs.vfat auto-selected fat32... 20.27.50 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.27.51 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.28.03 # rasher: that was why I was still under the impression it's needed 20.28.22 # amiconn: Must be smarter than the manpage thinks 20.28.44 # I am running debian testing/unstable, up to date 20.29.08 # Still not really new: 20.29.11 # testing or unstable? 20.29.18 # A mix 20.29.29 # I see. 20.29.36 # mkfs.vfat -v --> mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) 20.30.29 # My man page says the same as yours. 20.30.30 # <|[Gino]|> Does the microphone on the X5 work with Rockbox and can you still record from the line in on the subpack? 20.30.47 # Newest there is. 20.31.05 # The Debian packager is also upstream maintainer it seems. 20.33.01 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 20.33.52 Quit dan_a (Client Quit) 20.34.29 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 20.38.13 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 20.40.23 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.248.86) 20.40.39 Quit zylche (Remote closed the connection) 20.41.00 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.42.22 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.42.43 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 20.46.12 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.47.12 # strage. I'm just playing a ogg vorbis file and my wps tells it's flac :o 20.48.10 # talk about compression ;) 20.48.29 # Or a wps that hasn't been updated to the new codec order. 20.48.38 # (there's a new codec order, right?) 20.48.59 # yes 20.49.05 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.49.10 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 20.53.22 Join webguest88 [0] (i=55101677@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81b67cef57544dbf) 21.01.51 # Hehe, windows doesn't like virtual sectors different from physical sectors 21.02.43 # hahaha 21.02.57 # "The disk in drive G isn't formatted" 21.03.15 # It is formatted, and linux doesn't have problems reading / writing it 21.04.04 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.04.07 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@91.84.80.159) 21.04.12 # rasher: that might be the cause. Haven't noticed before ... will check later 21.05.01 Part xamox ("http://www.xamox.net") 21.05.01 Quit God_Eater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.05.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.27 # petur: the glitch is exactly 41 chunks long so I can see it's related to encoder output OR DMA input. Did you have prerecord on? I'd like to know the exact sample indexes these occurred at. 21.10.52 # pre-rec = 30s 21.11.26 # I'll open the original and hunt for the exact position 21.11.35 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@dawnmist.demon.co.uk) 21.11.41 # That might tell me if it's related to buffer wrapping or what not 21.12.01 # * linuxstb spots a stranger returning 21.12.02 Join unleet [0] (i=185c8710@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.12.11 # you saw my last comment in the tracker? 21.12.13 # bagder - you around - I carelessly forgot my CVS password 21.12.17 # hey Paul. 21.12.19 # heya Cassandra 21.12.23 # * bluebrother decides to finally leave his working desk at uni 21.12.36 # linuxstb, heya. ;) I was never really gone in spirit.:) 21.12.38 # Cassandra: Did you get the mail I forwarded to you 21.13.18 # anybody have a clue why I cant access rockbox settings on my H10 20gb? 21.13.22 # rasher - yeah. 21.13.34 # i click "rockbox" and it does nothing 21.13.42 # as it happened, I've been playing about with the installer again. 21.13.43 # Hi Cassandra :) 21.13.48 # unleet: you never click "rockbox" 21.13.53 # Any news from AT&T? 21.13.55 # It's still not what I'd call finished, but it works. 21.14.03 # that's the firmware itself and it will reload rocbox 21.14.05 # So, that does nothing? 21.14.36 # it reboots (but I don' 21.14.36 # amiconn - nah. They totally ignored the letter. After I spend 5 quid sending it inernational recorded too. :( 21.14.46 # t know if that's still working on h10) 21.14.47 # :( 21.14.53 # this is intended behaviour 21.15.00 # Ok. 21.15.33 # unleet: please have a look at the manual. There is a quick start section which should answer most usual problems / questions 21.15.43 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 21.15.44 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.15.49 # memcpy can take 0 for a size right? 21.16.03 # Ohh. Very sorry. 21.16.38 # * bluebrother is in the process of leaving 21.17.11 Quit bluebrother ("back when arrived at home") 21.17.21 # Slasheri: Ready to test something? :) 21.17.40 # jhMikeS: do you have enough with one glitch location or what do you need? 21.18.39 # I know both glitch locations in the sample. Would like to know them from the start of the recording (0 based) 21.18.53 # ok, I get those two 21.18.59 # jhMikeS: You could check the source in firmware/target/coldfire/memcpy-coldfire.S 21.19.17 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.19.24 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 21.19.24 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965FF3.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.19.35 # Slasheri: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/fat.diff 21.19.37 # linuxstb: thanks. I'll have to make sure of that since 0 can be passed during record 21.19.47 # amiconn: hehe, testing soon :) ipod just charging (battery totally empty) 21.20.10 # I moved the definition of MAX_SECTOR_SIZE to config-ipodvideo.h 21.20.32 # disk.c is changed a bit against cvs to try all powers of 2 from 512 to MAX_SECTOR_SIZE 21.21.21 # file.c and fat.h are back to before the commit, as is fat.c, with the added changes 21.21.31 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.21.40 # Works like a charm with fat32 on recorder, 2048 byte virtual sector size 21.21.51 # Didn't test fat16 yet, but will do 21.21.51 # petur: and as a reference what's the total length of the recording in samples? 21.22.26 # Slasheri: Btw, did you check where the config sector ends up? Shouldn't be a dangerous place, but better check... 21.23.03 # Hopefully the config sector will be gone soon (as soon as the remaining problems in JdGordon's patch are fixed) 21.23.23 # just a sec, I'm still figuring out were the glitches are. I can hear them but finding the sample boundary isn't that easy ;) 21.23.40 # petur: in your clip, the first is at 617672 and the second at 701640 21.23.56 # Lol my rockbox is stuck in a plugin 21.24.19 # that won't help, I don't know at what offset I took the clip (was at work in a hurry) 21.24.39 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.24.43 # unleet: correction: you are stuck in a plugin 21.24.57 # unless it crashed 21.25.13 # * linuxstb is often stuck in the puzzle plugins 21.25.22 # None of the buttons are exiting the plugin. I shall reset. 21.25.23 # petur: Hmm, is there a tool that can compare 2 files and find the place where the smaller one was cut from the bigger one? 21.25.44 # something like strstr() as a tool 21.25.51 # never heard of... 21.26.30 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 21.27.08 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849263.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.27.56 Join God_Eater [0] (n=kate_sho@host-212-158-234-93.bulldogdsl.com) 21.29.17 # amiconn: hmm, looks interesting. but i will test it tomorrow, need to go sleeping soon :/ 21.29.28 # Hmm :/ 21.29.32 # Bagder: Can you put http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.4.zip in http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ and also extract ipodpatcher.exe from the zip file and put that in the same place (replacing the previous version). 21.29.36 # * amiconn wants rombox on Ondio FM back 21.29.49 # amiconn: well, i can give a quick try to it 21.29.53 # just to see if it works 21.30.09 # but don't have time to do real testing now :/ 21.30.34 # patch applied fine, compiling now 21.31.04 # rasher: no email yet :( 21.31.17 # mick_linux: It's Cassandra who just joined 21.31.29 # unleet: what plugin? (maybe you can find the button mappings in the manual, too - though I have to admit that the H10 manual is a bit incomplete yet) 21.31.44 Join Lars_G [0] (n=lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 21.31.50 # Slasheri: I'll do some testing with fat16 as well, both standard and non-standard sector size... 21.32.07 # What woudl you dudes think if I said I'd like to find a coherent way to mash the three views together? (playlist, browser, tag database) 21.32.23 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B179E8.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.32.47 # Sounds desirable to me. 21.32.49 # * petur thinks virtual directories again 21.32.58 # I have sound!! 21.33.14 # Real, proper, continuous sound? 21.33.18 # wooooooot 21.33.26 # w000t! 21.33.31 # * linuxstb goes to fridge to celebrate 21.33.31 # white noise, but I used a white noise generator :) 21.34.25 # * petur checks e-bay again for an F60 21.34.27 # * amiconn is listening to music from his 2048-byte-virtual-sector-recorder for quite a while now 21.34.34 # I think you need music playback for a gentlemen (and ladies) email though... 21.34.37 # Btw little question, what is different in a m4b over a m4a file? afaik DRMed files are .m4s right? 21.34.50 # linuxstb: yes, but I was too excited to keep it to myself :) 21.34.54 # :) 21.35.04 # char *strstr(const char *haystack, const char *needle) { const char *h, *n; do { while (*haystack && *haystack != *needle) ++haystack; if (*haystack) { h = haystack; n = needle; while (*(++n) && *(++h) && *h == *n); if (!*n) return haystack; } } while (*haystack); return 0; } 21.35.12 # * courtc shrugs 21.35.21 # markun: is the F10 the same hw? can the hd be swapped? 21.35.35 # coded in irc, no warranty. 21.36.04 # rasher: where? nick? 21.36.09 # mick_linux: Cassandra 21.37.16 # Lars_G: I think m4p is protected, m4b is an audiobook and m4a is normal. I don't know what Apple do differently with m4b files though. 21.37.28 # lowlight: yes, but because it's single platter that max size is limited 21.37.58 # linuxstb: Nod, I'll see if ffmpeg has any docs on the differences, I wonder if we/I can make m3b work on the rockbox 21.38.09 # size of the case? 21.38.15 # rasher: oh, duh :) 21.38.27 # * mick_linux waves to Cassandra 21.38.53 # Isn't m4b "enchanced" AAC, with bookmarks and such? And m4p is protected? 21.38.53 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.38.56 # amiconn: works fine :) 21.38.59 # oh Cassandra, I wonder wether it's the singer or the witch 21.39.01 # Nice :) 21.39.01 # at least audio plays and so on 21.39.11 # i think you can commit it :) 21.39.21 # Lear: You must be correct, since this m4b comes from a "podcast" with marks in it. 21.39.23 # Saving .plylist_control etc should also work 21.39.32 # * .playlist_control 21.39.36 # amiconn: yep, works 21.39.44 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-756fdb8e8fdd30ae) 21.39.48 # Say 21.39.53 # Lars_g: Then it should play in Rockbox, as long as it isn't too long... :) 21.40.00 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.40.12 # I added a note for struct bpb (locally), as it no longer holds raw values if bytspersec != 512 21.40.12 # amiconn: nice that you spot it was trivial to implement ;) 21.40.13 # if i don't get track numbers in the title when I browse by artist but I do when I browse by album, I guess I could fix it on my naviconf.cfg file right? 21.40.20 # i wouldn't have thought that 21.40.35 # Lear: it doesn't it bails with a "codec" error, and I even had to rename it on player for it to be recognized. 21.40.44 # I think it's so little code now that all targets can keep it 21.41.08 # This way someone could make his rockbox target appear unformatted to windows ;) 21.41.09 # Lars_g: Likely too long then. Like 75 minutes or more? 21.41.27 # * n1s testbuilds manuals 21.41.27 # I'll still perform the fat16 tests 21.42.30 # Lear: 46 minutes or so 21.42.33 # Slasheri: Sometimes I need to be beaten to implement something. If it's worth the effort, I might come up with a clever solution ;) 21.42.49 # jhMikeS: what tool did you use to get the samples position? audacity won't tell me now that I'm on the spot it's 1:34:17.470 for point 1 21.42.56 Join bluebrother [0] (i=O9hAFjMq@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 21.43.17 # any velvet underground fans?...http://cgi.ebay.com/VELVET-UNDERGROUND-NICO-1966-Acetate-LP-ANDY-WARHOL_W0QQitemZ300054910309QQihZ020QQcategoryZ306QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300054910309 21.43.28 # Lars_g: hm... 46 minutes should be fine. You do need a recent build for it though. 21.43.37 # lowlight: Yes, I heard about that.... 21.43.51 # Lear: I thought I had it... well I have to build a patched build anyhow so I'll take the opportunity to do it 21.44.03 # amiconn: hehe :) 21.44.16 # petur: cool edit pro. I can work in sample indexes and zoom to sample level to see the glitches 21.44.34 # I'll look into coldfire ata dma next. Might have a nice effect (aligned access only, unfortunately) 21.44.38 # linuxstb: maybe a copy will show up on dime ;) 21.45.00 # Lars_g: well, if you haven't updated in the last 24 hours, it isn't new enough... 21.45.03 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 21.45.09 # HAHAHA 21.45.16 # I think I missed something again. 21.45.18 # Lear: Well wait for me I don't have an ARM cross yet 21.45.26 # This channel is too fast moving for my old brain. 21.45.40 # Did someone just call me a witch, or what? ;) 21.45.42 # lowlight: yes, because of the size of the case 21.45.42 # Cassandra: old brains are better! 21.46.00 # lowlight: but the F40 is relatively cheap 21.46.03 # Lars_G, well, it's the only one I've got. 21.46.05 # Cassandra: that was me, I wondered whether it was Cassandra Willson the singer, or Cassandra the famous witch 21.46.21 # jhMikeS: position 2 = 1:34:19.120 don't know if that helps 21.46.22 # Prophetess, really. 21.46.24 # markun: Is the F series still being manufactured? 21.46.30 # And yeah, it's after her. 21.46.53 # Cassandra: Nice. And yes you're right prophetess. 21.47.04 # Cassandra: She was the one doomed never to be taken seriously, wasn't she? 21.47.16 # linuxstb: I don't think so 21.47.17 # I prophesy a new version of the much delayed Rockbox installer. 21.47.26 # petur: So, prerecording was full when you started it? 21.47.39 # that I cannot tell 21.47.41 # Lars_G, yes. Don't f*** with Apollo. He's a right bastard. 21.47.48 # Cassandra: meh what for? it's still easier to install than Ipod Linux 21.48.02 # and what does "29 fragments" mean if there's nothing audible? 21.48.16 # Cassandra: Most of them where bastards... I remember the grief triton gave to poor odysseus while going home 21.48.16 # Come to think of it, not f***ing with Apollo was what got her into trouble in the first place, so maybe that's not a great idea. 21.48.22 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.48.28 # linuxstb: always the same story with rockbox.. finished by the time the player is out of production. 21.48.31 # Cassandra: I have added a personal wishlist on DesktopTools, which I made ages ago. 21.48.48 # jhMikeS: fragments as in file fragments on disk (relating to disk fragmentation 21.48.54 # rasger: I 21.48.55 # * amiconn builds rockbox for recorder with fat16 support 21.49.00 # markun: are we going to see the usuall "Gentlemen we have sound" mail anytime soon? :D 21.49.13 # rasher, I'll check it out, but I'm done for today. Spent most of today working on it. 21.49.14 # jhMikeS: pre-rec was probably full 21.49.29 # markun: Not entirely true... the X5 is still being manufactured afaik 21.49.39 # amiconn: yes, also the ipods, right? 21.49.43 # Anyhow thanks for rockbox 21.49.46 # yes 21.49.46 # I hate uploading stuff to the wiki. You never know if it's working/ 21.49.56 # Although we now only support one of the current ipods... 21.50.02 # XavierGr: probably 21.50.11 # But only the G5.5 and Nano G2 21.50.13 # Btw I also bought a Griffin itrip for the nano, I wonder how hard it'd be to reverse eng and implement the serial driver for the CPU and the protocol for remote control once and for all.... 21.50.23 # ...and we only support the G5.5/30 so far 21.50.24 # Maybe if I can put a sniffer in between the devices... hmmmm 21.50.30 # petur: I should be able to round those number to chunk indexes 21.50.54 # * petur doesn't slap forehead this time, but audacity 21.50.59 # Lars_G: The protocol is more or less known (see the IPL wiki page). The problem is the serial driver. 21.51.18 # Hrmpf 21.51.28 # linuxstb: Yes, the odd part is that if this is a common arm arch the serial should be known, unless they're using an off-chip driver... hmmm 21.52.10 # * amiconn now needs to install rockbox via linux, as windows doesn't like the partition 21.52.30 # amiconn: ??? using mac type partition? 21.52.46 # nope 21.52.55 # I personally preffer FAT32 with DOS type partition, since it allows me to use the ipod in linux, mac and windows 21.53.19 Quit God_Eater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.53.26 # FAT32 using 2048 bytes per virtual sector 21.53.44 # Testing code intended for G5.5, and I don't have one myself 21.53.56 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.53.58 # * petur formats his h340 to defrag it 21.54.09 Join God_Eater [0] (n=kate_sho@host-83-146-13-129.bulldogdsl.com) 21.54.13 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 21.54.19 # petur: Why not defrag it for real? 21.54.38 # too slow 21.55.22 # hmmm those times round to a 35-37 chunk span, not 41. 21.55.52 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.56.06 # amiconn: also, defrag seldom completes with a completely defragmented drive 21.56.06 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 21.56.16 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 21.56.34 # format + copy again goes faster and with better success, imho 21.56.35 Quit NickDe ("Leaving") 21.56.40 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 21.57.02 # petur: don't suppose I could get a copy of the recording in total could I? 21.57.46 # jhMikeS: 1.02 GB :( 21.58.14 # and first glitch is only at 42 minutes 21.58.58 # ok everything from the start to the last glitch would be enough. maybe flac encode or even ogg and it should hurt it. 21.59.02 # shouldn't 22.00.10 # what tool shall I get to encode to flac (windows)? <-- /me lazy 22.00.33 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 22.01.08 # I just have the command line tool downloaded from the site 22.01.25 # mono is ok? 22.01.29 # saves 50% 22.01.58 # lemme check 22.02.26 # Hey, what's a gig? ;) 22.02.48 # yeah, actually makes the glitches more visible 22.03.55 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 22.03.56 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.05.33 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 22.05.34 # I have to run to the post office, be back in an hour or so. 22.06.23 # Anyone knows where does the api 'functions' ->lcd_hline() and lcd_vline() take their colour from? Can't understand why sudoku would draw me white lines on a white board making the grid invisible... 22.07.03 # They use the foreground colour the same way as all other graphics primitives 22.07.30 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 22.07.42 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4ad5943faabbab4a) 22.07.53 # still, the theme's config has them set as Fore-FFFFFF and back-000000... 22.07.53 Quit webguest88 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.08.08 # ffffff==white 22.08.17 # arr. 22.08.21 # :o 22.08.53 # set them your self in the plugin 22.09.50 # jhMikeS: wanna fix a playback.c error? 22.09.53 # n1s - Hmmm.. I'm not very familiar with variable's scope in C... 22.10.06 # But I'll have a look, thanks. 22.10.32 # jhMikeS: line 3562, the "else" is #if'ed out 22.11.27 # lowlight: ok, will have a look when I get back, gotta run 22.11.53 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.11.59 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 22.12.55 # PaulPosition: rb->lcd_set_foreground(COLOR_BLACK); 22.13.19 # or maybe LCD_BLACK 22.14.10 # n1s - Thanks, I'll try that... Is there any way to get back to theme's default on exit? Or is it automagic? 22.16.57 # jhMikeS: ok...actually it would be clearer if just the inner "if ( (ev.id == SYS_TIMEOUT)..." statement was #if'ed 22.17.13 # PaulPosition: It's automagic 22.17.29 # amiconn - Thanks for the tip. :) 22.17.58 # * amiconn now listens to music from a 2048-byte-vsector FAT16 partition 22.19.08 Join Cassandra- [0] (n=Cassandr@dawnmist.demon.co.uk) 22.19.27 # * Slasheri runs advanced rom loader bootloader on h140 without bricking it :) 22.19.32 # now a good time to go sleeping 22.19.37 # Hehe :) 22.19.47 # tomorrow it's hard to choose which one player to pick up with :) 22.19.52 # Expect a commit while you're sleeping :) 22.19.58 # hehe :) 22.22.30 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-115-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.23.16 Quit |[Gino]| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.24.54 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.28.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility 22.28.51 # Install till your little hearts burst. 22.28.57 # I expect it's full of bug. 22.29.06 # Ive searched and cannot find backdrops for download. Any suggestions? 22.29.07 # Bugs even. 22.29.32 # Get better at searching? Stop looking? 22.29.42 # unleet: make some on your own 22.29.47 # Or did you want *helpful* suggestions? 22.29.56 # unleet: it is quite easy 22.30.11 # unleet: just find a picture you like and crop it on your player's resolution 22.30.19 # I tried but the I cannot access my music. Ill read some documentation. 22.30.26 # then* 22.30.29 Join webguest89 [0] (i=513efce3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-32432bb429df621d) 22.30.29 # * petur wonders if it's wise to put exe's in the wiki 22.30.51 # unleet: are you sure that you're setting the bmp as backdrop and not editing it with some plugin ? 22.30.59 # petur: Maybe not. 22.31.12 # Yes 22.31.25 # add with an md5sum 22.31.37 # It shows the picture but I cannot see anything else. 22.31.41 Join TommyTott [0] (n=TommyTot@27.84-48-93.nextgentel.com) 22.32.04 # unleet: if you press up once and down once after setting the picture do you see a toolbar ? 22.32.08 # (just to make sure) 22.32.28 # nothing 22.33.06 # Cassandra-: I see I can still select Rockbox Stable version by navigating with the arrow-buttons 22.33.32 # unleet: did you choose "set as backdrop" or did you only "click" on the bmp 22.34.26 # set as backdrop 22.34.46 # my ipod is dead.. 2 days ago, i couldnt start it, it just showed the " :( " picture, but now it wont start at all.. help.. 22.34.57 # Charge it. 22.35.24 # TommyTott: did you try plugin it to some charger / usb ? 22.35.30 # Download the ipod firmware back to it. 22.35.32 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.35.33 Nick Cassandra- is now known as Cassandra (n=Cassandr@dawnmist.demon.co.uk) 22.35.42 # rasher - hmm - not so good. 22.35.49 # but, if i have the charger in, shouldt it start?? cause i have it in charger now, but nothing happens 22.36.19 # do it have to be in the charger for å long time if the battery is flat before something will happen?? 22.36.23 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 22.36.29 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.36.31 # Can you send the old ipod firmware back to it? 22.36.44 # now it wont start at all 22.36.47 # TommyTott: usually 5 to 10 minutes i'd guess (well you still see something on the screen though) 22.36.52 # when charging using usb 22.37.02 # i now charge inn wall 22.37.46 # When charging with usb, do you see a plug icon? 22.38.02 # no. not now.. 2 days ago, i did 22.38.26 Join Cassandra- [0] (n=Cassandr@dawnmist.demon.co.uk) 22.38.31 # Your battery is dead then. 22.38.49 # :( 22.39.22 # its little used.. had it for some time, but not used so much.. 22.39.45 # but it has been a little while since last time 22.39.50 # try keeping it plugged in for like 1 full day 22.40.00 # then you'll know for sure 22.40.35 # if nothing happens, i should know in one hour?? 22.40.41 # pixelma my backdrop works now. 22.41.01 # The bg color was black, as in text black so i saw nothing 22.42.29 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.43.24 # Probably an hour is best 22.43.47 # If nothing happens, the battery is most likely dead. 22.43.53 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-93-194.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.45.00 # the last post here, does this include ipod also?? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6287.msg53506#msg53506 22.45.14 # Let me have a look. 22.47.16 # That is a very good idea. If you could charge it seperate it might do something. 22.48.03 # oki.. but i dont know how to do that, so.. dont even know how to open the ipod.. 22.48.25 # Look in the forums under the section "Hardware" 22.48.30 # i know theres problably an tutorial on the net 22.48.31 # Might help. 22.48.37 Quit Cassandra- (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 22.48.54 # Should find something 22.49.47 Quit unleet ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.49.53 # woot 22.50.02 Join unleet [0] (i=185c8710@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f6ada908e7667a8a) 22.50.03 # anything else left for proper 5.5g support now? 22.50.13 # I may have found you something. 22.50.17 # Yes, figuring the 80GB ata issues 22.50.24 # *figuring out 22.51.10 # But for the 30GB model I would simply say it's supported at the same level as the old G5 22.51.11 # This has pictures on how to replace the ipod battery 22.51.13 # http://www.ipodbattery.com/ipodinstall.htm 22.51.25 # thanks 22.51.34 # rasher, what do you think about (a) hiding the rockbox.{iriver,ipod,...} file in the "supported" view or (b) making the "music" view the default? 22.52.00 # preglow: That's all that was needed: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/drivers/fat.c.diff?r1=1.127&r2=1.131 22.52.13 # (plus the multiple mount checks in disk.c) 22.52.36 # bluebrother: you should only hide the default one (in case people want to load another file named rockbox.ipod stored in another directory) 22.52.44 # Not guarunteeing success. Thats just to replace the battery 22.52.46 # or even better, hide only the loaded one (if that's possible) 22.52.57 # hmm. That's an idea. 22.53.18 # it's mainly the problem users tend to "click" on that "rockbox folder" 22.53.29 # unleet: i see.. dont have any powersource to charge it like that, so.. 22.53.47 # but as the database view also only shows music files I thought about simply making the music files view the default 22.53.56 # I bet you could either buy one or........ 22.54.18 # Depending on the battery connection 22.54.24 # bluebrother: 'music' was the default view long ago. People comlained... 22.54.35 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.54.45 # it was? Oh. 22.54.52 # yep 22.54.55 # why did they complain? Seems more logical to me. 22.55.38 # the problem is that I discovered this problem 2 days ago.. and im gooing to thailand on thursday.. so i dont have so good time.. thats the problem.. 22.55.50 # hrnmrmr 22.55.52 # what the hell 22.55.56 # i switched dircache on 22.55.58 # then shut down 22.56.01 # then started again 22.56.04 # and it had not taken effect 22.56.15 # I see well umm... Short notice makes a bit of a problem. 22.56.27 # it was forgotten, i see... 22.56.30 # Unless you can wait till after you come back. 22.56.39 # ehhh... 22.56.43 # i can reproduce it easily 22.57.01 # bluebrother: Umm, this was changed in June 2005. There should be some hints on the ml 22.57.56 # also for other options, what the hell 22.58.37 # unleet: well, seems like i have noe other choise.. But now i dont have any music on the plane.. :( 22.58.56 # oh. forum is down? 22.59.28 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p5493288D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.59.39 # could someone please try to reproduce this? clear settings. reboot rockbox, enable dircache, then hold stop until it shuts down 22.59.43 # the settings are not saved 23.00.02 # Laptop? Cd player? Other Mp3? 23.00.08 # also does the same for any other option, apparently 23.00.18 # preglow: You need to exit the menu 23.00.35 # petur wonders if it's wise to put exe's in the wiki 23.00.43 # I just received 2 free 125 mb mp3 players + speakers from Office depot for purchasing large amounts for work. 23.00.48 # rasher: what menu? the menu the option is in? 23.00.54 # can the uploading of .exe files be limited to only a select few wiki members? 23.00.55 # dont have either of those.. :P 23.01.02 # preglow: The main menu. Settings are only saved when exiting the menu, it seems. 23.01.04 # There are a lot of unvetted people with wiki access. 23.01.08 # rasher: well, that's... 23.01.21 # No CD player? 23.01.31 # CD, whats that?? :P 23.01.34 # preglow: amiconn says it's always been like that 23.01.35 # you can get one for 10-20$ at walmart. 23.01.38 # lol 23.01.46 # I have tons of Cd's for my car. 23.01.50 # rasher: i still say it's pretty weird behaviour 23.01.59 # i have a computer in my car.. :P 23.02.03 # Too lazy to remember the iriver transmitor thing 23.02.04 # preglow: Or I may have read him wrong. I've been known to do that 23.02.19 # rasher: No, you're right 23.02.23 # Install rockbox in your car :D 23.02.30 # preglow: I'd expect settings to be saved when I exit the single submenu as well 23.02.38 # Computer, 7" touch screen, gps, centrafuse frontend.. 23.02.41 # It's always been lik ethat, and it's a good idea to do it like that in general 23.02.49 # amiconn: i'd love to hear why 23.02.54 # it's annoying and illogical 23.03.14 # Wish my accord had something that nice. 23.03.19 Quit PaulPosition () 23.03.44 # install it.. my car didnt have it.. www.mp3car.com 23.03.48 # * bluebrother failed to find something on the ml 23.04.00 # www.centrafuse.com 23.04.23 # I'll take a look. 23.04.26 # Price Range? 23.05.25 # hmm.. depends of what specs you want.. mine, about 800usd.. but i live in norway, and here its expensive 23.05.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.05.41 # so in the us, less i would think 23.05.58 # petur: what kind of mic do you use, btw? 23.06.04 # you use a normal computer.. only the psu is special.. for 12V 23.06.29 # Expensive 23.06.34 # i'm liking aux in better 23.06.40 # just hook up one of the players 23.06.50 # Look up "PhatBox" I think it is. I want that. 23.06.57 Quit unleet ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.07.12 # then you dont have all you music, gps navigation, radio, movies ect 23.07.19 # preglow: a pair of cardoids and a mic-amp inbetween 23.07.27 # yeah.. watch the road ;) 23.07.30 Join unleet [0] (i=185c8710@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bc5fa7f238cf0fed) 23.07.47 # goffa: thats borning.. :P 23.07.54 # he he he 23.08.08 # drifting quite a bit offtopic. 23.08.41 # preglow: but the recording quality is not good, I couldn't get good mic placement and got too much bass and almost no vocals/guitar 23.08.45 # so.. when's rockbox going to get gps? 23.08.48 # j/k 23.08.48 # petur: it's not bad either 23.08.49 # :) 23.09.02 # Need a chip in your mp3 player for gps. 23.09.12 # unleet: the PhatBox seemed hard to navigate.. all that music, and no other indication that a number 23.09.12 # Im sure it can be done. 23.09.13 # i know.. i was just kidding 23.09.13 # goffa: The idea isn't even new... 23.09.35 # I only want music though. I dont need internet and crap too. 23.09.38 # [IDC]Dragon once wanted to connect a gps module to his archos recorder 23.09.39 # maybe i'm stuck inside the box.. but HOW? 23.09.44 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.09.44 # (via serial i/f) 23.09.54 # serial NEMA output from a good GPS. 23.10.01 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 23.10.11 # though most of the recent consumer ones only do USB. 23.10.16 # yeah 23.10.22 # usbotgps ;) 23.10.27 # preglow: preamp = http://cgi.ebay.ca/CHURCH-AUDIO-ST-9100-STEREO-MICROPHONE-PREAMP_W0QQitemZ260034413751QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItem 23.10.27 # Solder a gps chip onto your mp3 player and pretend like "hey my mp3 has a gps!" 23.10.34 # sure they don't simply use a serial to usb converter? 23.10.42 # probably do 23.11.02 # petur: back. have a link? 23.11.09 # bluebrother: the garmin etrex series, I believe, has no serial at all. 23.11.10 # my ipod still dosent show anything.. :( 23.11.18 # jhMikeS: got my PM ? 23.11.23 # Wait exactly 1 day. 23.11.25 # I mean inside ;-) 23.11.29 # Keep it plgged in 23.11.35 # plugged* 23.11.36 # sorry didn't see it there covered up 23.11.46 # TommyTott: tried select+menu for about 30 sec? 23.12.06 # would be fun to take a player geocaching 23.12.07 # His battery is dead. 23.12.21 # preglow: mic = http://cgi.ebay.ca/STEREO-MICROPHONE-PREAMP-4-MINIDISC-MD-EDIROL-MP3_W0QQitemZ260060113823QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItem (or maybe the previous version of it) 23.12.37 # don't know that it would be any less cumbersome than having a gps and a player though 23.12.45 # hahahahahhahahahha.. it started.. 23.12.47 # wft 23.12.49 # YEY 23.12.49 # unleet: yes but some of those ipods with dead batteries behave strangely when they are charged again 23.12.51 # Really? 23.12.54 # yes 23.13.02 # Woah thats messed up. 23.13.03 # preglow: prices are a bit better for taperssection.com members ;) 23.13.39 # it works.. now i just have to charge, and then try to get the orginal firmware in.. 23.13.44 # jhMikeS: speed will be lowish, thank my IPS 23.13.49 # goffa: The advantage of a dap is still the huge disk space. You could store tons of detailed maps on them 23.13.52 # Thats goo to hear. 23.14.03 # should get 30KB/s peak 23.14.13 # n1s: Thanks a lot.. :D 23.14.26 # np :-) glad it worked out 23.14.46 Part lowlight 23.15.00 # but, if i dont have the orginal backup files, how do i get the orginal firmware back?? 23.15.04 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 23.15.06 # amiconn: good point 23.15.14 # TommyTott: the apple restore tool. 23.15.27 # or, I can send you the bootloader.bin for a 5th gen. 23.15.27 # but it will wipe the ipod clean 23.16.37 # oki.. then i will see if i have to transfer the music first 23.16.45 # i think i have the 4th gen.. 23.17.13 # yes, i have 23.17.24 # playback.c 3562 is #ifdefed out? Not for MEM > 8 23.17.40 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.17.45 # arent there any way of doing it without wipe it clean?? 23.18.10 # find someone to send you the 4th gen bootloader.bin file. 23.18.20 # my checkout is a couple days behind though. was sort of hesitant to update with any ata problems present. 23.18.26 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 23.18.40 # Anyone who has it?? 23.19.12 # i think rockbox has a potensial, but my version has a lot of bugs i think 23.19.45 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 23.21.36 # TommyTott: you know there is an unofficial build for the 4th generation ipods which prevents the random crashes. 23.21.39 # petur: says about 7hrs !! :P 23.21.45 # ASSuming that is your chief complaint. 23.21.56 # I'll leave the pc on this night :) 23.23.00 # hope my ISP doesn't drop the connection. seems to happen every evening and have to reboot (AT&T after SBC takeover) 23.23.16 # jhMikeS: I hope you use a client that can resume 23.23.27 # it should 23.23.35 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 23.23.40 # soap: i havent checked for å while, but the biggest problem i have, is that when i scroll the music, it scrolles to fast.. suddenly im at the bottom.. if i try to scroll up, it goes to the top.. 23.23.55 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-115-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.24.29 Quit dau (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.24.49 # jhMikeS: should get a bit faster now, cpu and disk are idle again :) 23.25.12 # can i fint the bootloader file on the rockbox site?? 23.25.29 # or isnt it worth searching?? 23.25.30 # * jhMikeS wonder's if Cowon is gonna stall and try and screw him on his warranty 23.25.37 # no, it's not exactly kosher to distribute I believe, as it is Apple' 23.25.42 # s bootloader. 23.25.48 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.25.51 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 23.25.52 # petur: Cranking at 18.2kB/s 23.25.57 # oki 23.26.15 # hmm, how can i find it?!? 23.27.00 # jhMikeS: strange, it's going out here at around 30KB/s with a small dip from time to time 23.27.45 # TommyTott: If you didn't keep a backup, then you'll need to use itunes to restore. But your scrolling problem sounds like you're using an unofficial/experimental version of Rockbox 23.28.39 # jhMikeS: anyways... off to bed, gotta get up early tomorrow :/ 23.28.57 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.29.20 # linuxstb: i did, but my laptop crashed, so i dont have it anymore.. but maybe i should try to install a new rockbox version.. but can you guys help me find the best for my ipod?? im not shure about all the different versions 23.30.05 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 23.31.16 # Probably this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 - the only patch it includes is the one that disables CPU frequency scaling, which still seems unstable on the 4g. 23.31.18 # i have a ipod 20gb photo 23.31.42 # that may not be 4th gen?? or?? 23.31.45 # I have a nano 2Gb 1G 23.32.08 # hmmm if I remember correctly, iPod photo was 4G but I'm not %100 sure 23.32.40 # on rockbox.org, the grayscale says 4th gen.. 23.33.05 # i dont know if the color and grayscale is different else than the screen 23.33.39 Part n1s 23.33.41 # photo is the 4th gen 23.33.53 # there is a 4th gen grey, and a 4th gen colour/photo 23.34.21 # and I hope both of your players have GB capacity, Gb would be a rip off. 23.34.47 # hehehe true 23.34.55 # Yes, afaik 5G is iPod video 23.35.25 # correct 23.36.06 # then it was how to install the new build.. long time since i did this 23.36.54 # unzip it onto your player, overwriting the existing files. 23.37.35 # oki.. then i try 23.37.43 # * Lars_G falls face first on the floor frozen as a ice cube and shatters 23.38.43 # hi 23.38.51 # the ripoff is that it's GB and not GiB (and windows pretending GiB to be GB) 23.39.18 # hmm, where is the bootloader located on my ipod?? 23.39.26 # does anyone had crash on wav playing with H300 recently ? 23.39.59 # I failed a wav recording of a live show also 23.39.59 # bluebrother: Gb vs. GB is a bigger much bigger lose than GiB over GB 23.40.11 # TommyTott: In a private partition 23.40.22 # TommyTott: And there's also the initial loader which is in rom/flash 23.40.29 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.40.37 # indeed, but with bigger drives that GB vs. GiB gets quite some amount 23.40.48 # bluebrother: But I understand you well, people handling GiB as GB pissess me off to no end 23.41.12 # even Rockbox doesn't do it correctly :( 23.41.14 # Rockbox does this. 23.42.18 # bluebrother: Patch! 23.42.23 # Config option! 23.42.38 # In fact, this is probably set in the language file 23.42.46 # I should quietly change it in dansk.lang 23.43.27 # I guess the voice file whould say "gibibyte" as well. 23.43.37 # english.lang should start doing it 23.43.40 # Which is.. annoyingly stupid. 23.44.01 # gibibyte is stupid? 23.44.14 # Well, saying it aloud is 23.44.24 # The word is just.. not good 23.44.39 # beats confusion 23.44.49 # Yeah, that's true. 23.45.02 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 23.45.08 # well, at least the word itself makes sense. And there are words that are way more worse as words 23.45.13 # there are some truths the general public is not ready for. 23.45.28 # in germany you say "handy" for mobile phone. *That* is really crap 23.45.29 # I believe the mere existance of gibibyte is one of those truths. 23.45.46 # bluebrother: sweet lord, that's cheesy 23.46.20 # the funny thing is the germans going to some english speaking country and not knowing that difference ... 23.46.34 # preglow: don't know if you ever saw this: http://www.dspdimension.com/src/smbPitchShift.cpp . Maybe want to give a look? 23.47.14 # bluebrother: I can acknowledge that a german I met looked very surprised when I told him it isn't called like that in english ;-) 23.47.35 # jhMikeS: i think i've seen it, and i think it does phase vocoding 23.47.40 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9b4729b9d7b53d29) 23.47.44 # I simply call mine "phone" and quite a few looked really strange at me when they realize I'm referring to my mobile 23.47.44 # yes, indeed 23.47.49 # i don't want to code a fast fft :/ 23.48.27 # no, why? just the code or it's just too cpu intensive? 23.48.35 # jhMikeS: both, really 23.48.39 # I'm pretty sure that word was intended by one of those marketing guys that have no idea about the technical stuff they are advertising 23.48.43 # jhMikeS: it'll probably suck down a very decent amount of cpu anyway 23.50.06 # I might find it fun to try it out myself and learn something important in the process anyway. 23.50.10 Quit ender` (" Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia.") 23.50.15 # jhMikeS: might not take too long to get it going, though, if you've already got a fixed point fft/ifft 23.52.49 Quit TommyTott () 23.53.24 # I'll probably have to make it up just from the math itself. I don't have anything readily available but that will be beneficial in learning. 23.55.24 # jhMikeS: don't expect too much from it, though. while it doesn't have as obvious transient artifacts as the time domain one, it does smear them quite badly 23.58.11 Join TommyTott [0] (n=TommyTot@27.84-48-93.nextgentel.com) 23.58.51 # unleet: here??