--- Log for 05.12.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 18 hours ago 00.00.19 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.00.52 # anyone?? 00.01.05 # it just start over and over.. 00.01.14 # gets to the smileyface error icon 00.02.33 # did everyone die her?? 00.03.07 # TommyTott: it's getting late in Europe.. 00.03.15 # no, not yet :) just don't know what you're talking about 00.03.58 # my ipod didnt work, then it did, and now it just comes to that "smileyface error screen", and then it reboots, and do the same over and over 00.03.59 # * jhMikeS wonders what makes a smiley face on error 00.04.09 # i think it's the ipod sad face 00.04.16 # like this smiley face :( 00.04.22 # that doesn't smile 00.04.22 # yes, a sad smiley.. :P 00.04.37 # you call all those smileys.. 00.04.38 # and I thought Apple was just sadistic 00.05.07 # i dont think its apples icon.. rockbox i think 00.05.17 # huh? 00.05.22 # eitherway, i need help 00.05.48 # I don't have an iPod so not sure 00.06.10 # it needs to be restorted 00.06.12 # restored 00.06.33 # it worked 15mins ago.. 00.06.40 # then i've no idea 00.06.45 # and now i really need to sleep too 00.06.47 # arghle 00.07.05 # soap: here??? 00.07.24 # preglow: gnight 00.07.33 # nightie 00.08.55 # hmm 00.08.55 # this one? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61771 00.09.03 # is the rockbox bootloader faster than loader2? 00.09.20 # from video's I've seen of loader2+ipodlinux it takes fucking forever to boot 00.09.26 # which is really pretty stupid for a dap 00.09.43 # rockbox was lightning fast on my h120, and I loved it that way;P 00.09.46 # rockbox boots quite fast with ipod loader 2 00.10.03 # the video I saw was like 3 seconds just for loader2 00.10.29 # how long does the standard firmware display the apple logo after a hard reboot? ;) 00.10.32 # but ipodlinux itself was horribly slow;P 00.10.42 # hmm 00.10.55 # I dont know 00.11.21 # if you're in loader 2, booting rockbox is fully usable after about 5 seconds 00.11.46 # Kasperle: yes, thats the one.. but it worked 20mins ago 00.11.49 Quit bluebrother ("sleep") 00.11.50 # i reckon about 3 seconds of loader2 loading it into memory, max. 2 seconds for rockbox to boot 00.12.13 # i haven't tried the rockbox loader yet, though 00.12.15 Quit charkins ("Ex-Chat") 00.12.25 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.12.35 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 00.12.48 # * Soap is here 00.13.08 # what icon do you see? 00.13.10 # ok 00.13.11 # soap: i now get the sad smiley icon.. 00.13.14 # that's not too bad Kasperle 00.13.24 # TommyTott: that is apple's 00.13.40 # oki.. anyhow.. what can i do?? 00.13.48 # it worked 20mins ago 00.13.54 # TommyTott: have you tried putting it into disk mode? 00.13.59 # let it charge more? 00.14.35 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 00.14.36 # yes.. it worked, but suddenly, i couldt access the disk in windows.. i took it out, and the icon showed 00.14.42 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 00.15.18 # soap: i try to charge it, but it just keep turning on and off, and allways show that icon 00.15.49 # press menu+select to reboot, and menu+play while rebooting to get it into disk mode. 00.16.40 # and let it charge for well over an hour before attempting anything else. 00.17.04 # it is easy for the ipod to consume more power than it gets over USB while low in battery in disk mode. 00.17.21 # s/"disk mode"/emergency disk mode 00.18.14 # when i charge in the wall, the sad smiley comes.. but when i charge in the computer, only the battery icon shows.. 00.18.31 # but windows doesnt find it 00.18.58 # let's get it charged up some, boot it in to disk mode, then worry about Windows finding it. 00.19.09 # ipods behave very strangely when the battery is dead. 00.19.15 # oki 00.19.31 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 00.19.37 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 00.22.41 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 00.22.43 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.23.40 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 00.24.26 Join qwertymkonji [0] (i=qwertymk@c-68-63-24-174.hsd1.al.comcast.net) 00.25.06 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 00.26.59 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.27.06 Part qwertymkonji 00.28.19 Part LinusN 00.39.24 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 00.45.51 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 00.46.14 Quit heyJulius ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.47.31 # jhMikeS: nice forum post... (that doesn't look any good in my browser) ;) 00.50.26 # Im out. 00.50.35 # cya guys tmr. 00.50.56 Quit unleet ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.52.14 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.38 # I wonder what patches I should apply 00.58.47 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 00.59.15 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.00.00 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.00.14 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.04.10 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.04.32 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.05.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.08.31 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.08.53 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.11.33 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c93a5648866922f8) 01.12.04 # hi all 01.12.16 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.13.06 # pixelma: not in mine either so I edited it :) 01.13.12 # i read with pleasure that sansa can dual boot now ? in this case, i need to compile with Bootloaer option ? 01.13.31 # jhMikeS: thank you :) 01.15.56 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 01.16.08 # wow 01.16.12 # rockbox compiles real reasy 01.16.33 # piece of crap ipod 01.16.38 # please, sansa lovers ! Tonight, i didn't forget my usb wire ^^ 01.17.25 # TommyTott: :P 01.18.23 # Lars_G: this piece of sh** wont work again 01.19.26 # TommyTott: so bloated ? never tested ipood 01.19.44 # bloated?? 01.19.53 # what does that mean?? 01.20.10 Quit excitatory (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.47 # err, let me look in a dictionnary :)in my bad englidh, i thought it was a bad ting or badly done 01.21.26 # i might be.. im not so good in english myself 01.21.34 Join excitatory [0] (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-39-29.wi.res.rr.com) 01.21.58 # lol, it seems to have a different sense :/ 01.22.34 # ok 01.24.36 # i dont get it.. first, it went on and off with the "sad smiley" icon.. then, today, it didnt start at all.. then i charged it for a while, and pressed select+menu.. then it started normaly.. i pluged it into the computer, and everything was ok.. Then suddenly, it went back to switching on and off again.. 01.25.40 # now, when charging in the wall, it goes on and off with the smiley, and when plugged into the computer, it only shows the battery icon 01.25.57 # if i disconnect it, it starts the on and off thing again 01.27.23 # TommyTott, maybe just leave it charging for a few hours before you try again. 01.28.30 # * Lars_G bows 01.28.35 # rocklbox rocks 01.28.43 # whoever made the build system, you rule 01.28.49 # i will try.. but when connected to the computer, it sometimes reboots and show the smiley, then go back to showing the battery icon 01.29.03 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.180.14) 01.33.35 # piece of sh** 01.35.47 Quit daurnimator ("Cyas later...") 01.36.01 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 01.36.10 # gah 01.36.27 # what was the patch number for the patch that adds the capability to possition menues in a theme? 01.37.32 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.38.20 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 01.43.33 Quit Lars_G ("Leaving") 01.43.41 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-67-114-113.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 01.46.58 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Remote closed the connection) 01.59.25 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-132-6-57.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 02.00.53 Part pixelma 02.02.47 # sansa ping ? 02.03.02 # Hvad 02.03.08 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.03.08 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 02.03.13 # Eh, what? 02.04.38 # just to be sure to NOT brick my sansa when applying patch from 15.53.34 # http://pastebin.ca/266901 02.06.01 # it works for me... 02.06.15 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 02.06.18 # but you also need a e200.c for the bootloader 02.06.29 # rasher: Sorry , didnt want to wake you up " Hvad" 02.06.48 # and modify a couple of other files 02.07.01 # barrywardell: hi and thanks 02.07.25 # barrywardell: other patches ? 02.07.56 # http://pastebin.ca/267698 02.08.00 # that's my e200.c 02.09.22 Quit habana (Excess Flood) 02.09.41 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6635cd5ed22a7ba2) 02.10.07 # http://pastebin.ca/267699 02.10.12 # and that's a patch for the rest 02.10.21 # ok, stop 02.10.27 # it will ONLY work with a bootloader build 02.10.40 # dont have to apply all these mods 02.10.52 # thought there was only one 02.11.05 # those 3 will allow you to build a dual boot bootloader on the sansa 02.11.26 # you could just wait a couple of days until it's added to cvs 02.12.15 # Thank you very much, i take these to play during lunch tomorrow. 02.13.28 # must say im very impressed by the way you build free softwares and especially rockbox. 02.13.38 # Great model 02.18.09 # bye 02.18.38 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.19.18 # AAAAAAARGH.... 02.22.12 Part t0dk0n 02.25.50 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.25.53 Join HalloweenJack [0] (i=50cad4e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 02.26.03 Quit HalloweenJack (Client Quit) 02.29.21 Join Lars_G [0] (n=lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 02.29.54 # Question is patch #5899 still useable or used at all? is/will this be included in current cvs? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5899 02.32.49 Quit wooo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.32.53 # Lars_G, I've no idea if it's still usable. But it's unlikely to be included as a more generic solution (viewports) is what's wanted, or at least that was the talk a while back. 02.33.11 # * safetydan hasn't been keeping up 02.33.30 # still it calls my atention, since the theme I have defined offsets 02.33.36 # which on the last nightly didn't apply 02.35.24 Quit dau (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.35.50 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 02.38.35 Join Marco [0] (n=marco@adsl-8-148-153.mia.bellsouth.net) 02.38.41 # hello 02.43.32 # I'm using an ipod 5g/video and the jClix theme 02.43.56 # but in order to use that theme, I need to use Julius' jbuild, which happens to be a little old 02.44.18 # are there newer versions of the jbuild available? 02.46.26 # Marco, if they're not on http://pijulius.com/julius/rockbox/ then there's no newer versions available. 02.46.35 # hmm 02.46.42 # is it recommened to patch the source yourself? 02.46.56 # I'm not sure if applying a few month old patch to a current CVS version is a good idea 02.47.39 # Marco, if you have the ability to fix any errors or patch failures that come up, you can do what you like. 02.48.00 # I'm only guessing, but if there are no new versions of a custom build, that often means the included patches don't work any more with current CVS. 02.48.40 # But I'm sure the answer is somewhere in that 30-page forum thread about Julius's build... 02.50.13 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.52.01 # habana: if you see this tomorrow, here's a single patch with all my previous changes combined. 02.52.25 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 02.53.40 # http://pastebin.ca/267744 02.55.31 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cf1256a2806ab9ba) 02.59.33 # habana: here's a single patch with all the changes: http://pastebin.ca/267744 03.00.09 # oh tahnks, i was waiting in the other window 03.00.15 # ^^ 03.01.39 # so i re "cvs update -dP" and "patch < diff" and can make nice dreams ? 03.03.08 # latest tip so i could patch nicely ? 03.04.38 # yup 03.05.11 Quit rasher ("leaving") 03.05.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.09.28 # make sure you have a decrypted and header-stripped OF in 03.09.54 # /.rockbox/OF.bin 03.11.44 # you talk chinese to a french not triilingual and not speaking chinese. 03.12.09 # Could you give me a single command line to apply for that ? 03.13.21 # you need to use mi4code to decrypt a sandisk PP5020.mi4 03.14.29 # easy ! Badger gave me the tip "wget http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.c && gcc -o mi4code mi4code.c -lgcrypt" 03.14.54 # yeah, then './mi4code decrypt -s PP5020.mi4 OF.bin' 03.15.19 # assuming you have a PP5020.mi4 from Sandisk in your current directory 03.16.04 # ok done.big tahnks 03.17.04 Join bro2baseball [0] (n=Owner@pool-70-20-59-8.man.east.verizon.net) 03.17.13 # for other reader : ./mi4code decrypt -s PP5022.mi4 OF.bin 03.18.09 # oh yes, sorry 03.18.23 # nope ! 03.20.13 Join Kittt0s [0] (i=Kaa@84.95.112.24) 03.20.22 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.23.46 Quit Lars_G ("Leaving") 03.23.50 # make in progress. big up for barrywardell ! 03.23.59 # bye 03.24.04 # File encoded successfully 03.24.05 # bye 03.24.10 # :) 03.24.59 # anybody with an ipod want to test that patch with the new crt0-pp.S? 03.27.31 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.31.42 # what is the crt-pp.S exactl 03.31.43 # y 03.34.56 # it's the first bit of code that's run 03.35.30 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.35.55 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.35.59 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 03.36.14 Quit funky ("leaving") 03.37.54 Part bro2baseball 03.45.40 Part safetydan 03.45.51 # okey.. now i have charged my ipod for some time.. What shall i do?? the problem was that it started, but showed the "sad face" icon, then restartet, and did it over and over.. så what shall i do now?? 03.48.27 # anyone?? 03.59.10 Quit barrywardell () 04.06.13 Nick Soap is now known as SoapIsOutOfTown (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 04.09.30 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.vidao2.com") 04.25.18 Quit niskel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.27.09 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 04.27.10 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.27.38 # does anyone know if the player allows custom keyboards? 04.29.47 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 04.29.48 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.34.24 Quit jadakiss ("w00t!") 04.35.12 # * JdGordon thinks it doesnt 04.36.41 Join bender02 [0] (n=bender02@c-68-53-85-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 04.37.47 Join webguest17 [0] (i=46b2299b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.37.56 # hello 04.38.03 # can someone help me in here? 04.38.25 Quit webguest17 (Client Quit) 04.38.34 # we have a winnr! 04.38.51 Join webguest68 [0] (i=46b2299b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 04.38.55 # i need some help 04.38.59 # can someone help me? 04.39.01 # please? 04.39.26 # just ask your damn question 04.39.26 Quit webguest68 (Client Quit) 04.44.06 # okey.. now i have charged my ipod for some time.. What shall i do?? the problem was that it started, but showed the "sad face" icon, then restartet, and did it over and over.. så what shall i do now?? 04.44.12 # thats my question 04.47.26 Part bender02 ("[IRSSI]") 04.48.25 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.48.27 Join daurn|laptop [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 04.50.34 Join jrockway [0] (n=jon@dsl092-134-178.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 05.04.28 Join dau [0] (i=daurn@124.243.164.126) 05.04.29 Quit daurn|laptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.05.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.10.10 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 05.19.38 Quit dau ("dau was using Daurnimator's Legendary Script") 05.47.45 Join dantheman [0] (n=danielma@134.178.20.94) 05.54.42 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-65-67-114-113.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 05.57.27 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-7-11.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 06.00.44 Quit jaebird ("Leaving") 06.02.40 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-20-214-97.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 06.03.34 Quit TommyTott () 06.08.15 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 06.16.28 Quit lostnihilist (Remote closed the connection) 06.21.19 Part nave7693 06.26.29 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-20-214-97.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 06.59.22 Join webguest07 [0] (i=ccb977f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0bea6c3fa09eb86d) 06.59.38 # i need help 07.00.54 # serious help 07.01.13 # my 4g ipod only shows the apple on the screen and it doesn't mount or turn off 07.05.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.09.12 Quit webguest07 ("CGI:IRC") 07.11.10 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 07.11.13 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp203-130.adsl.forthnet.gr) 07.19.46 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@c-24-21-214-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 07.24.14 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 07.25.23 Quit Kasperle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.26.33 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 07.26.38 Quit slarti (Connection timed out) 07.27.50 Quit dantheman (Success) 07.39.11 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.46.08 # LinusN: morning, i got the unit back and now it's working great, thanks :) 07.46.16 # Slasheri: goodie 07.46.26 # however, it was flashed with the wrong h-115 firmware and no rockbox at all :D 07.46.42 # as you can see, I left the bdm connector in place, just in case 07.46.49 # hehe, yeah ;) 07.46.53 # nice :) 07.47.07 # and, yes, I didn't bother to put rockbox on it 07.47.07 # but now i try not to brick it again 07.47.24 # h115? oops :-) 07.47.28 # yep :D 07.47.44 # but i managed to cross-patch it with a working h120 bootloader :) 07.47.50 # hehe 07.48.11 # sorry about that 07.48.37 # np :) probably i just would have need to send it back if flashing would failed :) 07.48.40 # was in fact a long time since i had to unbrick a player 07.49.07 # and now even my new bootloader seems to be working fine 07.49.38 # * LinusN hears toni braxton sing... "unbrick my daaaaap" 07.49.50 # :D 07.50.12 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.52.09 # ok, so your bootloader works now? 07.53.54 # yep :) 07.54.10 # now supporting both ram and rom images, and reset cookie for the rom image also 07.54.29 # and simple menu activated with the hold switch and when rockbox crash 07.54.47 # using that it's possible to select the default boot method when original fw is no longer present 07.57.05 Join Kasperle [0] (i=kasperle@zoidberg.org) 07.57.23 # with the hold switch? how? 07.59.14 # activating hold switch and then turning on player activates the bootloader menu (unless usb cable is present, then usb mode is activated). The menu has a 15s timeout after poweroff is issued 08.00.30 # or without hold switch activated and rockbox has previously crashed, menu is also activated but after the timeout default boot method is executed 08.00.32 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 08.01.44 # however, if original fw is still present, that menu is never activated and old rec-button combination works as before 08.02.01 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 08.02.16 # ehum, what if you try to use the hold switch to prevent it from turning on? 08.02.42 # it always shuts off after 15s of inactivity 08.02.53 # and there is no activity when hold switch is on 08.03.03 # ah yes 08.03.12 # :) 08.04.47 # without hold switch and cleanly shutdown and default boot method either rom or ram, all hardware is not initialized at all and rockbox is being booted as soon as possible 08.04.50 # does it still work on the h300? 08.05.06 # should work fine 08.05.10 # good 08.05.14 # but i have no chances to test that :) 08.05.21 # i will 08.05.21 # i could provide a patch soon 08.05.24 # good :) 08.05.41 # since i have toni braxton by my side ;-) 08.05.47 # :D 08.06.23 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 08.07.03 # with the rom image, it's nice that you could just tap the play button twice to activate the resume :) 08.07.22 # there is almost no need to wait, something like 500ms or less is enough between the presses 08.08.11 # ooooh, nice 08.08.42 # how much with the ram image? 08.09.58 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.10.38 # that's not much either, should be almost same. i can do some measurements soon 08.13.21 # i can try it myself 08.13.40 # is all the other stuff (flashing code etc) in cvs? 08.16.20 # yes :) 08.17.10 # well, of course the patch also changes rom.lds and Makefile a bit to activate rom image generation for irivers 08.20.04 # LinusN: btw, you could already try the ram image flashing. However, with the new bootloader loading should be faster 08.22.12 # speaking of flashing, i have been thinking about an "emergency unpatch" feature in the loader 08.22.46 # that is, remove the bootloader somehow 08.23.09 # i.e restore the reset vector 08.23.19 # hmm, i had that also in mind long time ago, but amiconn and others think flashing functions in the core are not a good idea 08.23.26 # but maybe bootloader could be different 08.23.30 # i agree about that 08.24.21 # i don't want flashing code in the core either 08.24.57 # so i don't know how to solve this :-) 08.25.02 # hehe :D 08.25.23 # there are of course ways to protect against accidentally running the flash code 08.25.34 # that would be useful indeed if needing to send a unit to repair and remove the bootloader 08.25.57 # but the could would need to be on flash because disk might be crashed 08.26.22 # the=that 08.26.38 # we could for example have the flashing code scrambled in flash and have it always run from ram, unscrambling it as we copy it to ram 08.26.50 # hmm, true 08.27.10 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-110-7-11.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 08.27.12 # but making it that complicated will also increase the risk of bugs 08.27.50 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-97d7f5b98c2f5b37) 08.28.25 # i like the cowon bootloader approach 08.28.41 # almost unbrickable 08.35.09 # Flashing code can't be executed from rom anyway 08.36.56 # true, true 08.37.02 Part nave7693 08.37.20 # amiconn: but we could still make sure it can't be executed in-place 08.38.03 # with several mechanisms, like the scramble-copy method and also with some global "key" variables 08.39.34 # As soon as flashing code switches the rom to programming mode, it will crash 08.40.07 # yes, if you execute from rom 08.40.40 # so yes, we can probably put flashing code in flash quite safely 08.40.54 # i.e in the bootloader 08.41.34 # however, the h300 is a little nasty in that respect, since the flash reset pin doesn't seem to be connected to the main reset 08.43.06 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.43.35 # LinusN: if you manage to find some time, could you check/verify how VBUS and ID of the usbotg connector of the h3x0 are connected? 08.43.54 # ok, i'll try to remember that 08.44.10 # thanks 08.47.33 # hey, whats the story with all the wps' on flysrpay? 08.49.20 # JdGordon: we once wanted people to submit wps's to flyspray for inclusion in cvs 08.49.49 # JdGordon: any idea on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6408 ? 08.50.48 # LinusN: are the just goin to be left? or do we eventually dump/commit them? 08.50.59 # petur: i havnt noticed any problems... ill test now tho 08.52.43 # btw, we could always protect the flash with the breakpoint logic 08.53.59 # petur: i just disabled DC, rebooted, re-enabled, rolod and didnt get the splash screen (tho i expected to!) 08.54.13 # don't rolo 08.54.22 # always powercycle 08.54.31 # ok, starting again 08.55.41 # jhMikeS: I think you got the file ok? 08.57.39 # JdGordon: yes, i think we could reject the wps'es in the tracker 08.57.41 # Petur: yup 08.58.07 # i'd like a default wps with more "rockbox" feeling to it 08.58.11 # LinusN: I ask, because there are heaps of them, and removing them would make the open patches number much smaller :) 08.58.15 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.58.33 # duh.. that targa 30GB PDA I talked about earlier is next week available for 149 euro... runs linux, sources available... tempting 08.58.54 # i like icatcher a lot, but i'd still like a simpler one with less frills and more "rockboxish" whatever that is 08.59.24 # * JdGordon back soon, dinner 08.59.33 # http://www.lidl.be/be/home_nl.nsf/pages/c.o.20061212.p.MP3-speler (in Dutch but the specs are understandable - the screen spec is wrong imo) 09.01.00 # i like llamedbeta2 for H1xx 09.01.13 # it's not even in cvs :/ 09.05.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.06.04 # LinusN: i will now generate a patch for you, assuming my latest testing works :) 09.06.59 # jhMikeS: strange post on taperssection, have copied it here: http://pastebin.ca/268030 - don't have an h1x0 so I can't check that but it seems unbelievable 09.09.14 # petur, jhMikeS: My first (and probably only) guess would be the wspll thing 09.09.54 # Not sure how that should result in hdd noise being recorded, but the UDA _is_ a strange beast 09.10.22 # petur: saw that and I'm going wtf? 09.10.30 # I've never seen more than amplitude changes on hdd activation 09.11.26 # Btw, and cause I ranted about the noisy uda output earlier - seems this is a problem of the integrated headphone amp. Line out is ok 09.12.35 # I would think corrupting the data in the digital circuitry would make for something really nasty and loud but not a particular noise and why would the HD be louder? :\ 09.13.05 # well, the hdd is probably the biggest source of interference 09.14.28 # I take it CMC8s means using an external mic? 09.14.39 # right, of course 09.15.58 # maybe the impedance of the mics is a lot different from the ones we use to test... 09.16.16 # I'm not hearing anything wacky myself though. Will test the mic that came with it. 09.16.17 # still that couldn't explain the difference when running OF 09.17.41 # not doing wspll for recording is an easy switch if that makes jet engine sounds 09.18.10 # I can always ask him to try something 09.18.27 # leave the airport? 09.18.52 # rofl 09.19.56 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host161-131.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 09.22.07 Join forehead [0] (i=54bd6183@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fb884ae62b8d6724) 09.22.18 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-254-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.22.32 # I'm gettin' nothing myself. everythings quite quiet 09.23.36 # I'll give hime the 'unable to reproduce' - maybe others in the forum will test too... maybe his h120 is faulty? 09.26.20 # I just turned up the gain so high the headphones got feedback (ouch!) and I could hear the neighbors whispering and put the mic right against the side of the unit and the spinup still only measured about halfway up the scale. 09.26.47 # heh 09.27.21 # well nevermind then, I've asked for others to try and confirm 09.27.38 Quit forehead ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.29.24 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.29.26 # I'll give him two builds, one with WSPLL enabled, the other without and ask him to say which one gives the noise and which doesn't. Wish I could double blind that and hand them out randomly. 09.29.57 # oh goodie 09.30.51 # With just one trial he's got a 50% random hit so it not so good. Take one sans wspll and tell him it has it (placebo control) 09.32.00 # And iff I name them builds A and B > 09.32.17 # iffffff 09.32.27 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 09.32.28 # btw, could we try to detect buffer underruns and warn the user? 09.32.33 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.33.12 # build-in quality control - I'd rather have *no* underruns :/ 09.33.51 # of course, but it could help us find the root cause 09.34.06 # it would also make testing easier... 09.34.24 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.35.29 # petur: re 6408, adding a call to settins_save() when dircache finishes initiing wold probably fix the problem 09.36.01 # is there any good reason why shutting down from within the menu doesn't save settings? 09.36.16 # no 09.37.42 # but thats not the issue... 09.37.51 # I know 09.37.54 # adding settings_save() to then end of main() would work 09.38.01 # could just have him do a take in OF and RB starting with a reference signal to check for equal gain. 09.38.31 # underruns? who's got the underruns? 09.40.34 # petur: hmm... crap... it didnt stop the scanning splash 09.42.12 # recording can never go famine only flood except with spdif errors. a DMA error would terminate it on the spot. 09.43.20 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.43.34 Join Kapez [0] (n=Kapez@host-137-163-16-74.edu.hel.fi) 09.45.15 # can't hold off work any longer ;) Later! 09.45.21 Quit petur ("worrrk") 09.48.00 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-254-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.48.45 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 09.48.56 # LinusN: were you talking about playback or recording re: underruns? *confused* 09.50.59 # i meant overruns of course 09.51.03 # recording 09.51.49 # oh, is recording to mp3 safe with cvs? i have to record a lecture tomorow 09.51.50 # ah...could loud enough vibration (concert hall) cause a drive to not write 09.52.36 # I just did a 2h 14m test and had no problems. mp3 should work all the same. 09.52.43 # great 09.52.48 # LinusN: ready :) 09.53.02 # LinusN: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/rombox_iriver_3.patch 09.53.30 # and you need also http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/bootloader7-pre2.iriver unless you change the crc values in iriver_flash plugin 09.55.22 # please try it on h120/140 also to see if it works 09.55.30 # I can only imagine a flood situation if the drive fails to write fast enough. Even the most demanding encoder (WavPack) at high samplerates can flood the output but the thread prio boost takes care of that almost instantly. 09.55.41 # LinusN: On my Gigabeat HDD spindown halts Starfield (just an example) for maybe half a second. What could be the problem? My H120 doesn't have this problem. 09.55.53 Join ProdigySim [0] (n=ProdigyS@ed219.AFL66.vectant.ne.jp) 09.55.58 # h110 is not yet supported, unless you try that too 09.56.46 # markun: that's odd - i wonder why it does that 09.57.36 # LinusN: if because of the font cache the hdd has to spin up again there is another short halt 09.58.11 Nick Kapez is now known as Xyh (n=Kapez@host-137-163-16-74.edu.hel.fi) 10.00.00 # Do most people have a decent experience with Cowon repair service? I fear they're gonna give me a runaround since they don't even let you talk to someone live but make you fill in a "ticket". I'm worried about being without the unit for too long. 10.00.49 # LinusN: what do you think about the 80gb 5.5g ipod? 10.02.55 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 10.04.35 # thegeek: haven't had time yet to work on it 10.04.59 # ah, I meant what do you think of it as a dap in general;P 10.05.25 # ah, well, it doesn't look much different from the 5g 10.05.55 # hehe 10.07.16 # btw, I have a dead h120 10.07.21 # oh? 10.07.29 # the ata/usb bridge is fucked 10.07.32 # do you need it? 10.07.45 # it's just laying around atm 10.07.45 # thegeek: hmm, how is it broken? 10.07.55 # well, I tried to fix it;P 10.08.10 # one of the daughterboard connectors are bad 10.08.22 # completely b0rked now that I tried to fix it;P 10.08.45 # btw, are those "bricked-by-nokia" h100's always completely FUBAR? 10.08.52 # hmm, you borked solder inside it or something like that? =) 10.09.08 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 10.09.26 # crwll: afaik, most are unless you try and replace the cpu 10.09.37 # Slasheri: it was broken already 10.09.43 # you need some special equipments however to unsolder the cpu 10.09.57 Nick crwll is now known as crwl (n=crawlie@kekkone.kekkola.jyu.fi) 10.10.11 # crwl: here in jyu we have some equipments to do that ;) 10.10.18 # after my repair attempt it is certainly not better;P 10.10.18 Join forehead [0] (i=54bd6183@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4fd1b76ced17256e) 10.10.33 # Slasheri, my h120 is fine but I know someone whose unit isn't :) 10.10.39 # hehe 10.10.43 # crwl: from my limited experience, the nokia-fried units could be salvaged unless you have tried to power it on with the charger attached 10.10.54 Quit Xyh ("PJIRC @ http://webirk.dy.fi") 10.13.17 # LinusN, with the nokia charger or the correct charger? 10.13.23 # nokia 10.13.37 # crwl: if you need a cpu replacement, i might be able to do that but it costs something like 20e for the new cpu and might fail 10.15.20 Quit forehead ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.18.47 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.20.41 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 10.21.19 # Slasheri: soldering and unsoldering bga is surely tricky 10.22.12 # true, it requires some heat pistols at least 10.22.24 # yes, and patience 10.22.38 # what is so tricky about it? 10.23.05 # the pads are not visible, so you have to heat the chip with hot air 10.23.22 # oh fun 10.23.36 # just send it to me and I'll talk to it :) 10.23.42 # and it can be a bitch to make all pads connect when you solder the new cpu back 10.23.55 # why dont you just reflow? 10.24.04 # heh...*just* 10.24.35 # markun: Sounds like a threading issue. Can't think of anything else 10.24.50 # I wonder why the gigabeat code isn't in cvs yet 10.24.56 # amiconn: do you have some tips on how to debug? 10.25.16 # yes, should start to commit it 10.25.27 # scorche: well, that is basically what you have to do 10.25.38 # but with a heat gun instead of an oven 10.25.44 # ah 10.25.59 # i have had great results reflowing with a skillet 10.26.29 Join forehead [0] (i=54bd6183@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-76bad44d7048dba5) 10.27.24 # scorche: hehe, nice idea 10.27.50 # it works well =) 10.27.54 # that would probably work if the pcb weren't already mounted on both sides 10.28.03 # and is quick and cheap 10.28.05 # ah..yeah 10.29.41 # oh, in fact... 10.29.44 # tipi^, listen up! 10.30.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.180.14) 10.31.35 Quit forehead ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.33.35 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 10.39.41 # can I force a settins_save before shutdown? 10.40.11 # is there a reason we dont save before shutdown now? 10.43.03 # The ata callback is called before shutdown, and that should save settings 10.43.13 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 10.43.25 # only if sometihng called settins_save before shutdown 10.43.54 # JdGordon: why call settings_save() if nothing has changed? 10.44.15 # because something is being very wierd with the settings... 10.44.24 # no need to spin up the hard drive if it isn't necessary 10.44.30 # re fs 6408 10.44.55 # then i'd say that there is a missing settings_save() somewhere 10.45.04 # but it should not be in the shutdown code 10.45.10 # I guess we should change the settings save handling a bit 10.45.17 # * jhMikeS thinks he'll design a pre-power supply for his H100 for safety (to protect against others). there's room to sneak another tiny board in there? 10.45.22 # it does seem to be callin the settings flush callback, but the dircache settings doesnt always actually work 10.45.43 # We used to only call settings_save when leaving the menu, but then we did so unconditionally 10.45.55 # that still happens 10.46.14 # JdGordon: sounds like a bug that shouldn't be solved by putting a settings_save() call in the shutdown code 10.46.15 # the change is moving the actuall writing into a callback, but tha seems t work, so i dont know 10.46.40 # We could call it immediately after leaving an individual setting, and the advantage would be that we could do so only if the value actually changed 10.46.58 # we want as few saves as possible 10.47.35 # jhMikeS: there's not much room in there 10.48.00 # and installing your device is not that easy, since you have to separate the two boards 10.48.07 # LinusN: settings_save wont actually write to disk until the next spinup, or until shutdown 10.48.34 # i know, but i don't want it to spin up when i shut down 10.48.59 # not if there aren't any changes 10.49.48 # Sure 10.49.54 # That's why I suggest that method 10.50.03 Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.12.3 : http://kopete.kde.org") 10.50.32 # It both ensures that even a single change will get saved, but nothing gets written if there was no change 10.50.41 # With the current method, we have 2 problems: 10.50.42 # JdGordon: logf is your friend :-) 10.51.04 # no its not.... damn remote display is too small, so its too easy to miss the event 10.51.08 # (1) Nothing gets saved at all if someone enters the menu, changes some settings, and then powers down 10.51.16 # 1) it doesn't get saved if you don't leave the menu before you shut down 10.51.18 # ..without first leaving the menu 10.51.34 # 2) it saves even if nothing has changed 10.51.38 # there should be a global set of states and a dirty flag for settings, no? How bout one for UI busy too so we can display a wait at certain points and eat button presses? 10.52.03 # (2) There is a useless save if someone enters the menu, enters some settings and then leaves the menu without actually changing a settings value 10.52.15 # we could hash the global_settings mem and save if the hash changes.. 10.52.19 # but thats overkill 10.52.23 # jhMikeS: You don't need an extra flag. 10.52.36 # Just registering the callback _is_ that flag 10.53.49 # hmmm...and it remembers that for later? 10.53.55 # amiconn's suggestion looks nice and simple to me 10.55.06 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.55.26 # jhMikeS: The callback will be called at next spinup, or on shutdown/usb connect, whichever comes first 10.55.49 # It will be unregistered after being called 10.57.06 # I'm trying to be lazy about it and allow a query from anywhere in a consistent manner. Of couse the callback could be a member of "the big board". NULL or non-NULL would be just as good. 10.57.25 # Why do you need the ability to query? 10.59.23 # If a setting actually changes, the callback for saving settings will be registered. This is completely self-contained. 10.59.39 # not just for that, but a central place where the state in general is kept even for things like what screen is current, audio status, and more. 11.03.27 # If you have that you can say mark the UI busy and buttons would repond accordingly and perhaps even a message/icon automatically displayed until it's available again. 11.05.18 # When voice reloads, things seem deadlocked until the drive spins up and it swaps the bits. If you push keys at that time you get an explosion of buffered presses. Just a whacked out idea I have. :\ 11.05.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.06.29 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6E74.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.08.04 # jhMikeS: I actually like the feature that rockbox buffers the keypresses 11.08.23 # The archos firmware didn't, and was really cumbersome to operate because of this 11.09.18 # The bitswap on swcodec should be gone soon, if I fiind the time to actually apply langv2 (to lang and voice) properly :/ 11.10.29 Join bluebrother [0] (i=n99bOXfj@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 11.12.07 Quit barrywardell () 11.13.38 # There's still the wait time involed for spinup and it appears locked during that. I wonder if some kind of auto detect is possible. Small viewports would be just the thing to have to implement it on the UI end. (I'll avoid using a tumbling hourglass :) 11.13.46 # hmm, maybe i will add backlight on/off at boot setting to the eeprom also. that way rockbox could fade in the backlight on boot when loading from rom :) 11.16.25 # How bout having all the display settings available to the bootloader? Would also like to not initialize the pmu or lcd more than once either but rolo needs things reset right? 11.17.03 # The bootloader shouldn't be unnecessarily complex 11.17.15 # amiconn: i agree 11.17.17 # Above all it needs to be reliable 11.17.21 # amen 11.17.55 # i'd like it to work much like the cowon loader 11.18.29 # LinusN: btw, did you try the patch yet? :) 11.18.45 # amiconn: that would be only one if on boot 11.19.17 # many of the lcd features should be disabled in a bootloader build then (esp x5 with the on off stuff). probably could trim a lot out of stuff. 11.21.34 # Slasheri: not yet, no time - at work 11.22.49 # ok :) 11.24.14 # Can't queue_wait_w_tmo take TIMEOUT_BLOCK? If it could many multiple function calls could be elimated. I'm I even being relevant on topic anymore? :) *tired and ready for bed* 11.26.08 # jhMikeS: then you want to use queue_wait 11.26.10 # that always blocks 11.30.01 # I know but there's a lot of if (this) queue_wait else queue_wait_w_tmo, could just use one function 11.30.53 # more like the way get_action works, just specify block, no block, or a timeout 11.31.10 # is __m68k__ defined for coldfire builds? 11.34.53 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host250-145-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.35.23 # jhMikeS: hmm, sounds weird 11.40.02 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 11.40.07 # safetydan: Why do you need that? 11.40.46 # amiconn, some existing code with m68k asm uses that define to decide whether to compile the C or asm version 11.41.31 # aha 11.41.46 # Simply check if it is, I'd say 11.41.51 # yup 11.41.55 # it is defined 11.42.09 # bah, now I remember why I got stuck 11.42.17 # Error: invalid instruction for this architecture; needs 68000 or higher -- statement `addq.w #1,%d1' ignored 11.43.38 # Yeah, coldfire doesn't support the whole m68k instruction set 11.44.10 # Namely, arithmetic instructions are only supported in the xxx.l form 11.44.29 # At least that part is RISC 11.45.42 Join hickery [0] (n=hick@stum.gink.org) 11.53.54 # Aside from better customisation of sound and being able to read MP3s from disk without a .db, what are the other reasons to use Rockbox on an iPod? 11.54.32 # you can have games and other plugins on the ipod, plus, you could write your own apps for it 11.55.04 # hm... I saw a last.fm feature mentioned on the forums, how would that work? 11.55.16 # Better codec support (ogg, flac, wavpack to name a few) 11.56.38 # Pikcc: already seen http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox ? 11.58.04 # Anyone answer iRiver/H120 questions ? 11.58.21 # just ask 11.58.38 # I don't know if I can answer it unless I know the question ;-) 11.58.42 # I just wanted to know if anyone had worked out the gain settings the iRiver firmware uses for recording levels, and thus what they might equate to in Rockbox 11.59.16 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.59.26 # And second, what gain iRiver uses when you select External Mic as the source 11.59.39 # no idea. I rarely use recording 12.09.06 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 12.12.00 Join thomasg_ [0] (n=thomasg@p57AFD928.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.12.11 Quit Pikcc (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.17.10 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 12.18.30 Part LinusN 12.28.17 Quit thomasg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.31.31 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.37.16 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54985F73.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.43.10 # weird.. with rombox i still seem to have the problem that set_cpu_frequency(CPUFREQ_NORMAL); at very start crashes rockbox 12.43.17 # without that call everything works fine 12.43.24 # amiconn: any ideas of that? 12.52.35 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 12.54.02 # http://www.bash.org/?244321 12.54.19 # I am amazed.... 12.59.14 # XavierGr: ;-) 12.59.53 # Do you think this is an actual IRC log? 13.02.42 Join Jagan81 [0] (n=root@224.80-202-212.nextgentel.com) 13.05.31 # hi. the french/EU volume-limit isn't in effect when running rockbox on iPods which has this, right? 13.05.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.33 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 13.11.25 # correct 13.16.04 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496667D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.16.34 # Slasheri: Not from just looking at the source. 13.16.35 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.16.52 # Where is that call that crashes? 13.17.01 # amiconn: apps/main.c 13.17.35 # that is really weird.. 13.17.46 # inside bootloader at the beginning it works ok 13.18.04 # but not from rockbox running from flash 13.18.11 # however, running from ram it still works fine 13.18.36 # and without that call everything works fine, cpu boosting also 13.18.43 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.18.56 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549344CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.23.01 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@75-14.wlan.rz.uni-potsdam.de) 13.28.17 # hmm, and that cpu_boostid thing seems to write outside the buffer boundary.. 13.28.27 # i would like to remove that whole thing 13.29.53 # or maybe not.. but still it seems suspicious 13.30.43 # hello 13.32.34 # hi hsaliak 13.33.15 # Slasheri: Speaking about boosting - I would prefer to know why rockbox is boosted after boot if voice ui is enabled 13.33.38 # amiconn: hmm, that is happening on all targets? 13.33.45 # Slasheri: Does that call crash completely, or 'just' freeze? 13.33.53 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.34.09 # Yes, I can observe it on all my swcodec targets 13.34.14 # amiconn: i am not sure, it might just freeze in the while loop or something like that 13.34.50 # weird.. i will try to rember look that later 13.34.57 # *remember 13.35.08 # hi markun 13.35.47 # amiconn: hmm, might be due to lostlogic's improvements to the scheduler 13.35.54 # so it no longer unboosts voice thread properly 13.36.12 # The boost id just shows '?' 13.36.32 Part hsaliak 13.38.17 # searching the forum gives database error, is this known already? 13.38.54 Join ScoTTie [0] (i=skotty@unaffiliated/scottie) 13.39.06 Quit ScoTTie_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.39.48 Quit markun (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.39.48 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.40.12 # amiconn: correct, scheduler triggered boosts are not tracked 13.40.51 # amiconn: the problem is probably that when scheduler blocks a task, boost state is kept. Only when sleeping, boost state is cleared 13.41.07 # so if voice thread blocks while it's has boosted the cpu.. 13.42.24 # not sure why lostlogic implemented it that way 13.42.47 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.42.47 NJoin markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 13.42.48 Quit markun (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.42.48 NJoin markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 13.42.50 # * amiconn can't say he likes that auto-boosting stuff 13.43.17 # Slasheri: because blocking might end any second 13.43.29 # Slasheri: and he doesn't want a short block to unboost, since that'll lead to a lot of boost/unboosting 13.43.50 # * preglow likes anything that leads to him not having to remember to unboost manualle 13.43.54 # manually 13.44.48 # preglow: hmm, true. But what might cause short blocks? 13.45.18 # Slasheri: can't think of anything 13.45.24 # Slasheri: but i know that is the reason 13.45.35 # i asked him myself a while ago 13.45.45 # and those blocks need to be really short.. 13.46.39 # ah, mutexes at least 13.46.55 # i liked more the idea cpu is boosted only after all threads are sleeping 13.47.02 # *unboosted 13.47.13 # now the boost is controller per thread 13.48.18 # Even unboosting while all threads are sleeping isn't always wise 13.48.32 # but it very often is 13.48.34 # One or more threads might sleep for a very short time 13.48.45 # ...needing full speed afterwards 13.48.55 # no, i'd rather have it done automatically than mess around with unboost bugs 13.48.58 # remember how many of those we had? 13.49.21 # and code is a _lot_ simpler now 13.49.23 # i think we had a couple that never went away 13.49.25 # indeed 13.50.13 # amiconn: such a task should manually cpu_boost/unboost 13.50.31 # Slasheri: can that work without the scheduler interfering? 13.50.57 # preglow: manually boostin/unboosting always works 13.51.17 # but in that case, all is good! 13.51.24 # scheduler knows also its own global boost state so it wont intefere with that 13.51.28 # :) 13.52.27 # after starting to use c++ properly, i can really see the value in having things done automatically 13.52.34 # but since c doesn't have destructors, this'll do nicely 13.53.38 Join JoeBorn [0] (i=rootmeis@59.61.25.104) 13.56.38 Quit JoeBorn (Client Quit) 14.00.48 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.00.54 Join markun_ [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 14.03.52 Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 14.04.23 # http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12/05/toshiba_intros_100gb_hdd/ 14.05.11 # nice! 14.07.09 # me wantie 14.07.23 # capacious. .I like that word 14.07.56 # I bet it'll be available around 2012 14.08.04 # heh 14.08.10 # that would be quite ideal even for laptops 14.08.13 # hmm 14.08.23 # then again, access times probably aren't extremely grand 14.08.46 # it seems laptops might skip the 1.8" step since there are now flash-only ones 14.09.48 # but perhaps the flash prices won't be able to compete with the price 14.09.54 # * Bagder can't type 14.10.04 # There were laptops with 1.8" HDDs years ago... 14.10.10 # yes, they exist 14.10.14 # but are still rare 14.10.17 # (Toshiba libretto) 14.13.49 # 100 gigs of flash sounds like it's going to be expensive, though 14.14.15 # technology will improve, though 14.14.33 # and currently HD's have the economy of scale advantage 14.14.37 # that could change depending on the market 14.14.48 Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.18.16 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 14.22.03 Join habana [0] (i=c2c7fca1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9d70a793fabb962f) 14.22.09 # hi all 14.29.09 # hi habana 14.31.05 # markun: wich player you own ? 14.32.08 # iriver h120 and gigabeat F40 14.32.16 # you? 14.33.05 # sansa and an old s1mp3 mpaler 14.33.29 # I know it's off topic, but I was wondering if anyone knows if goPod will work on 5.5G iPods soon? (I e-mailed the developers, but no response...and I have an 80 gig'er so I can't use rockbox yet) 14.34.03 # goPod? what's that? 14.34.12 # wow, the f40 is pretty :) 14.34.27 # Badger: a program that removes the french/EU volume limit 14.34.33 # oh 14.34.50 # but not available for 5.5G :( 14.35.37 # whats with the volume limit 14.35.38 # :S 14.35.41 # no...but I hope rockbox will support the 80 GB soon, so I don't have to think about that 14.35.47 # indeed 14.35.50 # habana: I would have prefered a X30/60, but they are hard to get outside japan and australia 14.36.02 # if people are too stupid to turn it down, its their own fault 14.37.39 # a french law says that a portable player should only be able to play approx. 100 dB max (_not_ loud enough for me..), and because of EU/EEC regulations all european iPods come with a volume "cap" at approx. 100 dB 14.37.59 # goPod removes that restriction 14.39.42 # * amiconn wonders why people have problems with that volume limit 14.39.52 Quit hickery ("Leaving") 14.39.55 # im french 14.39.57 # we all know that up to 100 db, it damages the ear 14.40.09 # I don't even go near the possible maximum when listeing with earphones/headphones 14.40.14 # this law is a good thing (at least for children) 14.41.04 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 14.41.10 # habana: I could maybe agree with you before, but now iPods have a new feature where parents can set the maximum volume and protect it with a password 14.41.11 # the only time I need/use full power output is when connecting to an external amplifier (line-out) 14.41.14 # after, if you know and accept, you can break your ears (as i actually do with the us sansa firmware to circumven (or near word) limitation 14.42.00 # habana: why would you want to damage your ears? 14.42.03 # god 14.42.11 # thats the worst thing i've ever heard 14.42.20 # Jagan81:imagine that some people dont use ipod in the world (incredible ;)) 14.42.41 # parents are getting too much power over children 14.43.01 # we can tell you're not a parent ;-) 14.43.01 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 14.43.18 # correct 14.43.34 # problem is with an issue like this: EVERYONE has a bias 14.43.48 Nick Gnelik is now known as Gnelik_very_happ (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 14.43.51 # markun: in the subway, classical music is nearly inaudible with limitation. and i need to listen to good vibes when leaving my job 14.44.25 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.198.73) 14.45.18 # Gnelik: dont do drugs ;) 14.45.21 # lex: have you heard any news about 5.5G-support in goPod? those damn developers wont answer my email.. 14.45.33 # habana: get some sound insulating (or whatever you call them) headphones 14.45.42 # Jagan81: nope :( 14.45.56 # markun: hey :) 14.46.04 # markun: i bought a psp a few weeks ago 14.46.19 # and now you are porting rockbox to it? 14.46.25 # nope :p 14.46.33 # habana: OK :) 14.46.41 # i guess i can do more with XMB than rockbox on it 14.47.35 # yes, rockbox is a bit limiting for a console/pmp 14.47.40 # why would you want rockbox on a psp? 14.47.57 # for the fun of doing the port? ;-) 14.48.17 # theres much more worthy targets 14.48.28 Join TommyTott [0] (n=TommyTot@27.84-48-93.nextgentel.com) 14.48.40 # n1s: htanks but its too expensive 14.49.15 # daurnimator: which one are you thinking of? 14.49.23 # ? 14.49.29 # anyone who helped me yesterday here now?? 14.49.36 # worthy target 14.50.03 # * n1s drools http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/05/toshiba-announces-100gb-1-8-inch-hdd-apple-swoons/ 14.50.28 # n1s: they haven;t even released 40gb yet 14.50.39 # that was annouch nigh on 1.5 years ago 14.51.10 # daurnimator: yeah, there's a good target to port rockbox into: ipod 5.5G :) 14.51.13 # i know, i know but I can dream, can't I? :-D 14.51.18 # n1s: my ipod crashed again yesterday.. but ow i fixed it.. i opened it an pushed on the HD cable.. and now it works.. :D 14.52.15 # yep, dodgy connections can make all sorts of fun things :-) 14.52.43 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 14.53.08 # why didnt i think of that yesterday.. today i thought "i cant hear the HD starts spinning, so maybe thats the problem" 14.53.13 # and it was.. :D 14.54.35 # now i have to backup my music berfore it happens again 14.54.38 # daurnimator: no 40gb?? 14.54.57 # are you talking about the single platter one? 14.55.13 # yes 14.55.42 # it was actually anounced before the dual platter 80 gigs but still hasn't been released afaik 14.55.49 # Well, it is used in the Gigabeat F41 14.56.00 # another q: are Anapod Explorer the best to transfer music to my ipod, or are there other good programs?? 14.56.45 # markun: are those available somewhere? 14.57.21 # n1s: only in japan I think 14.58.16 # * n1s wants a gigabeat, but it is friggin' impossible to find them here exept the S models, they're just hard to find :-/ 14.58.22 # anybody here with an iPod that wants to test this patch: http://pastebin.ca/267744 ? 14.58.40 # it needs to be tested on bootloader builds as well as normal builds 14.58.40 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.00.01 Join habana [0] (i=c2c7fca1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 15.00.03 # n1s: they are not sold in my country either, but ebay has some F40 models 15.00.37 # barrywardell: hi 15.00.58 # thanks for your support yesterday 15.01.40 # hi 15.01.46 # did it work ok? 15.02.22 # booted on rockbox and writed error -1 on the screen 15.03.29 # didnt have time to go further. but i lear a lot of things and hope ill manage to hack code and have fun with 15.03.40 # does it load the sans 15.03.46 # sansa firmware ok? 15.04.05 # cant tell you, it wass soooo late 15.04.14 # are you speaking of sansa? 15.04.23 # i can retest tonight 15.04.32 # Gnelik_very_happ: yes 15.04.35 # If you like i can give you my graphic boootloader 15.04.43 # error -1 means it can't find rockbox.e200. you have to do a normal build, then do make and make zip then unzip rockbox.zip to your sansa 15.05.30 Join Pikcc [0] (i=underwat@202.10.86.63) 15.05.41 # make && make zip 15.06.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.06.01 # ok 15.06.03 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034095243.nb.aliant.net) 15.12.25 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust546.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 15.14.00 # Gnelik_very_happ: You're missing one letter ;) 15.14.17 # haha 15.14.59 # hmm :( 15.15.09 # sennheiser hd 201 or a 2GB memory stick pro duo 15.15.22 # i need new headphones because these are going to be replaced 15.15.30 # by a working one 15.20.07 Quit TommyTott () 15.25.55 # lex: are the 201's so great? 15.27.10 # markun: dunno, but i need a new one 15.27.33 # for my ipod and to the time when those are going to the guarantee 15.32.06 Quit midkay ("*poff*") 15.32.43 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 15.37.35 Join vcardenas [0] (i=c818044b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9eaf9d5785f6d7d0) 15.38.37 Quit daurnimator (Connection timed out) 15.38.38 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.40.21 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@cpc3-rdng11-0-0-cust229.winn.cable.ntl.com) 15.41.43 Quit petur ("worrrk") 15.44.22 # amiconn:Than my happynes in not so big :) 15.45.41 # not only size matters 15.45.52 # quality first ! 15.47.44 # :) 15.48.26 Join TommyTott [0] (n=TommyTot@27.84-48-93.nextgentel.com) 15.49.53 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.13.213) 15.51.14 # can anyone direct me to a site with rockbox ipod photo skins?? 15.51.49 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ 15.52.36 # thanks 15.54.46 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.236.208) 15.54.58 Quit NickDe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.55.22 Join Yuki [0] (n=chatzill@ZT056051.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 15.57.36 Join NickDe [0] (n=nicholas@198.7.236.208) 15.57.49 Quit NickDe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.57.51 Quit Pikcc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.03.31 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 16.04.02 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.04.14 # yey.. my ipod works again.. and with rockbox not bugging.. :D 16.17.49 Part Yuki 16.19.12 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 16.31.18 Join Kingstone [0] (i=GPool@87.69.63.162) 16.32.48 # hmmm.. the scrolling are so slow.. are 15 the max speed?? (i cant notice any difference in the different settings) 16.32.54 # anyone have any idea?? 16.33.34 # The font caching makes it slow 16.33.56 # and the sulotion is? 16.34.02 # no themes?? 16.34.27 # Try the chicago font. Is scrolling still slow then? 16.34.59 # the solution is to improve the font caching code 16.34.59 Quit funky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.35.24 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as81100.alshamil.net.ae) 16.35.24 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 16.36.05 # yes, its still slow 16.36.20 # and now the playscreen theme is fucked up.. :P 16.37.22 Quit thomasg_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.37.47 # still slow.. strange 16.38.19 # its not extreemly slow.. 16.38.46 # but, in apples fw, if you scroll slow, it scrolls slow, but if you do it faster, it speeds uå 16.38.48 # up* 16.38.55 # maybe rockbox doesnt do that?? 16.39.38 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.05 # do you know? 16.40.51 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 16.40.55 # it seems like it do now, but it has a lag when i scroll fast 16.41.10 Quit funky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.41.42 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 16.42.12 Join SaLoMoN [0] (n=SaLo@xglusers.de) 16.43.13 # hi 16.44.15 Quit funky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.44.34 # nooo.. it crashed.. what do i do??? 16.45.01 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 16.45.04 # hehe, found it 16.46.41 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 16.51.38 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 16.54.09 # but the scrolling is still slow.. 16.54.58 # I'm missing the obvious...where is MEM defined? 16.56.03 # Being very interested in testing Barrywardell's patch for e200 and h10 bootloaders, I want to know if it's possible to cvs check rockbox-devel specific modules without overwriting those files in /rockbox/ that I've spent a day getting patches to sync with... 16.57.01 # which modules do you want? 16.57.43 # lowlight: in the local Makefiles 16.57.51 # -DMEM=${MEMORYSIZE} usually 16.58.47 # Barrywardell - Hmm, I guess those that are needed to build the bootloader :p Is it only the bootloader module or would I need debug too? 16.59.12 # oh.. Just found out how to check separate module.. 16.59.17 # :blush: 16.59.35 # you need some of the stuff in firmware too. and some stuff in apps 17.00.18 # barrywardell - Well, the pseudo-mopule 'rockbox' is already there so... 17.01.13 # you need rockbox-devel 17.01.13 Quit funky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.01.35 # that's rockbox + bootloader + manual iirc 17.01.54 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 17.02.20 # ahhh...why not in config-*.h? 17.02.26 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.02.36 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-254-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.02.52 # ahh okay then. Thanks :) 17.03.22 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f3c440d7036ad28a) 17.04.06 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.05.33 # anyone know anything about the scrolling problem?? 17.06.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.07.03 # why Apple did this to us?!? :\\ 17.07.11 # we only wanted a different OS 17.07.17 # lowlight: the MEMORYSIZE is set by configure and would make more sense to be used directly 17.07.19 # why did they encrypt the new nano 17.07.32 # i guess they had enough of us 17.08.01 # TommyTott: you mean line scrolling or list scrolling? 17.08.01 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@156.80-202-167.nextgentel.com) 17.08.18 # list scrolling.. its so slow.. have an 4th gen photo.. 17.09.17 # I believe it's know that list scrolling is slow on ipods. I think there's a scroll accelerator patch on the tracker. 17.10.11 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 17.10.14 # i only found one for 5th gen 17.10.18 # or maybe that was scroll wheel accelerator 17.10.35 # I thought you could change speeds... 17.10.49 # scroll wheel accelerator yes, but is far as i know, its for the 5th gen video only 17.11.02 # ahh, figures. 17.11.50 # make it work for 4G's too :) 17.12.01 # that's how things get done around here 17.12.01 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.12.22 Quit ender` (" How many Dragon Ball Z characters does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Only one, but it takes ten episodes.") 17.12.43 # i dont know how to do that.. 17.12.44 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4973.0 17.12.48 # this is the one i found 17.13.01 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-91073dc777f79ee5) 17.13.13 # hi 17.13.19 # and it seems that it doesnt even work with new builds 17.13.37 # does anyone knows how far the development of rockbox for sandisk players is? 17.14.50 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 17.16.13 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 17.16.20 # check the sansa thread on the forum under "New Ports" 17.16.36 # Barrywardell - Okay, so expected behaviour : changing only the bootloader and not the rest of the build produces only a 'system files missing' error on my 5gb H10. Am compiling the rest now. -- one question, should the Original.mi4 file be _original_ or unencrypted? 17.17.28 Quit Gnelik_very_happ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.17.33 # * Bagder created http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port just now 17.18.06 # PaulPosition: do you have a MTP H10? 17.18.30 # Barrywardell - yeah, MTP. why? 17.18.34 # * zylche made up http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MadeUpWiki 17.18.44 # ah hah! Bagder! 17.18.54 # then the H10.mi4 you created won't work 17.19.02 # oh. duh. 17.19.17 # The pages aren't updating their last modified date! 17.19.30 # lol What would I have overlooked? Or is that one wall you haven't broke down yet? 17.19.32 # use ../tools/scramble -mi4v3 bootloader/bootloader.bin H10.mi4 17.19.39 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-118-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.20.01 # barrywardell - Ah, will have a look then, thanks :) 17.20.32 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 17.21.46 # Arent there anyone who has a sulotion for the scroll wheel problem?? for the 4th gen ipod.. 17.22.35 # Bagder come back now! 17.22.48 # * zylche prods Bagder with a long pointy stick 17.22.57 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.24.19 # TommyTott: There's no reason to assume that someone has a solution to the problem. If there were a *proper* solution, don't you think it would get included? 17.24.29 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 17.24.45 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B179E8.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.25.24 # Paul_the_Nerd: i found a solution for the 5th gen, so maybe thes is one for the 4th gen i havent found.. 17.25.50 # TommyTott: That patch works for all iPods, or can be made to work for all iPods, but it doesn't work with the new button methods, as you've pointed out. 17.26.45 # so you say that all ipods are scrolling really slow, since that patch dont work with the new builds?? 17.27.24 # if thats i known problem, why arent it fixed, when there seems to be a know sulotion for it 17.27.32 # The 5G and 5.5G have the worst of it, since they have the most screen to update, but yes, they all scroll fairly slow 17.27.41 # There is not a known solution to it. 17.27.50 # The Scroll Acceleration patch doesn't really fix the whole problem. 17.28.05 # As I said, if there were a PROPER solution, it would most likely already be included. 17.28.05 # oki 17.30.01 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.30.08 # to bad.. 17.30.46 # Well, you're welcome to start searching for a solution as well. 17.33.05 # i dont know any programing, so that would be difficult for me 17.34.38 # PaulPosition: i forgot to mention that Original.mi4 needs to be decrypted and have its header stripped by mi4code. 17.35.00 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.35.03 # barrywardell - yeah, I guessed something similar. :) 17.36.11 # barrywardell - Just the bootloader was enough to get into rockbox, but my build wasn't much old (two days..). Now to get into OF. :p 17.40.45 # cool http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/toshiba_announces_18_inch_hard_drive_with_100_gb_capacity.php 17.43.30 # barrywardell - wow, the mi4code tool isn't the simplest thing around.. :o "mi4code decrypt -s Original.mi4 dummy" .. And then what? rebuilding would reencrypt, right? Do I just rename? 17.44.08 # goffa - Woah. 17.44.46 # goffa: I saw that. I wonder if it means 50gb single-platters. 17.44.48 # mi4code decrypt -s H10.mi4 Original.mi4 17.44.54 # I keep holding off on upgrading my H120. 17.45.03 # where H10.mi4 is an iriver firmware 17.45.32 # then put the Original.mi4 file that's created in you System dir 17.45.56 # barrywardell - Thanks, so renaming the 'dummy' file I produced should do the same.. 17.46.20 # i guees so 17.46.52 # dunno .. but i think that'd be pretty cool 17.47.01 # would really open things up for those h120 people 17.47.14 # Well, we already have 30 and 40 options. 17.47.21 # true 17.47.33 # 10gb is a lot of music though 17.47.46 # i notice the difference between my x5 and my h140 17.47.46 # Yup 17.48.22 # If you've got legal music, many people will have a hard time filling even 30 17.48.38 # Unless you're encoding to lossless formats. 17.48.42 # true 17.48.53 # I wish they didn't forget the 1" drives.. We want our bits standing up and not lying down, like in that 'get perpendicular' cartoon from Hitachi. :p 17.49.12 # I'm sure the .85s will get some loving too, in time 17.49.22 # But Apple doesn't make one, so there's not the same economic pressure. 17.49.27 # yeah 17.49.37 # funny how they seem to control everything 17.50.16 # Nonono, they're the rebel working against those that control everything? Didn't you get the memo? 17.50.20 # :p 17.50.21 # like cars have ipod docks, planes are installing docks, hell i even saw a toilet paper doc yesterday 17.50.37 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.50.55 # oh yeah... ipod owners are terrorists and thieves 17.51.51 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 17.52.03 Join lost|X40 [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-66-73-3-196.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 17.54.07 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.54.11 # what is the bootloader.img which is put in the ipod bootloader dir after compiling it? 17.54.23 # bootloader image with no retailos? 17.55.32 # * preglow messes up his nano 17.55.54 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.198.48) 17.56.09 # what the hell just happened 17.56.37 # What'd you do? 17.57.03 # i'm trying out barry's bootloader 17.57.13 # and now the only thing i get is the apple logo 17.57.39 # there 17.57.50 # i'd actually forgotten how to manually enter disk mode and pressed the wrong keys... 17.57.54 # Hahaha 17.57.58 # Been a while, 'eh. 17.58.16 # apparently, i was so used to it just entering usb mode that at first i even didn't press any keys 17.58.37 # but yeah, know what bootloader.img is? 17.59.50 Quit Rob2222 () 18.00.14 # I have no clue. :) 18.03.02 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.03.15 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.198.48) 18.04.57 # well, this certainly does not look so bright 18.05.01 # the patched bootloader hangs 18.05.05 Part vcardenas 18.06.23 # :( 18.06.36 # what ipod model? 18.06.57 # nvm. it's a nano 18.07.18 # it just hangs at the apple logo 18.07.21 # i've removed all local changes 18.07.36 # that is, the ones of consequence, mainly just some cache thing i think is redundant 18.08.08 # the hanging thing might suggest it's stuck waiting for the cop at some spot 18.08.59 Join bubi [0] (n=user@193.151.63.4) 18.09.01 # you're sure there's no sansa/h10 only stuff in here? 18.09.05 # hi there... 18.09.33 # which cache thing did you remove? 18.09.53 # i don't think there's any specific stuff there 18.09.54 # line 672-3 in system.c 18.10.21 # just dummy reads from ram to clear the cache lines, i don't think it's needed 18.10.27 # but i put it back anyway 18.11.07 # i am trying to create the bootloader for my ipod video with firmware 1.2 but geht the error : 18.11.07 # C:\Downloads>ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.b 18.11.07 # in 18.11.07 DBUG Enqueued KICK bubi 18.11.07 # fread failed: No error 18.11.11 # sry^^ 18.12.33 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.12.39 # well, do you have apple_os.bin and bootloader-video.bin in the current dir? 18.12.44 # yes 18.13.00 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@dslb-088-072-254-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.13.12 # but. hmm apple_os.bin 0kb ? could not be ?! 18.13.20 # then there's your problem 18.13.51 # preglow: hmm, so it doesn't even start to show the rockbox bootloader screen? 18.14.26 # barrywardell: no, just the apple logo, which is under bios control 18.14.32 # barrywardell: eh, rom/flash 18.14.40 # barrywardell: just tried building my own with no patches, and it works 18.14.46 # ah know :) 18.14.52 Quit obo ("bye") 18.15.09 # only changes that affect me are the ones in crt0-pp.S 18.15.18 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.15.35 # yeah, they're the only ones that the patch affects for ipods 18.16.14 # i'll have a look and see 18.16.18 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 18.16.44 Join bluebrother [0] (i=Ftom1k5m@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 18.19.19 # gah, crt0-pp.S is a jumble of bootloader and non-bootloader code 18.19.27 # probably my fault 18.20.26 # i have a version with just bootloader code: http://pastebin.ca/268343 18.20.39 # that should be equivalent to the version in my patch 18.21.50 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@193.110.17.4) 18.21.56 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.23.15 # it also had syntax errors :> 18.23.19 # pad_skip is a label 18.24.10 # but no, no change in behaviour 18.27.44 # tried removing the cop wait loop, no change 18.28.27 # Why double values a allways rouded?? 18.28.53 # there isn't a huge amount of change. it's mostly just rearranging 18.28.53 # ? 18.29.09 # myeah, i see 18.29.49 Quit bubi () 18.29.52 Join shrift [0] (n=shrift@66.158.65.84) 18.32.28 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.32.49 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 18.34.11 # linuxstb: there? 18.34.21 # ah, unattended join... 18.34.39 # hi guys 18.34.42 # the current crt0-pp.S has two sections where it gets the "high part of our execute address" 18.34.50 # yes 18.34.52 # can anyone point me to where there is information about restoring an ipod? 18.36.03 # and it uses 0xffffff00 in the current version (ie. the second section. the first one doesn't seem to be used at all) 18.36.20 # my version uses 0xff000000 18.36.30 # hmmmm 18.37.03 # I know there is the apple restore utility, but that is not working... If anyone knows where there is any more detailed documentation? 18.37.23 # barrywardell: i changed that to bic r4, pc, #0xff now, no change 18.37.52 # in a related note, does anyone know where the apple bootloader loads us? 18.40.55 # shrift: There's not really much more documentation on it than the official documentation. Failures of the Apple Restore tool are a problem with the tool itself, anyway. 18.40.56 # shrift: can you boot the ipod into disk mode? 18.41.06 # yes 18.41.11 # I can get into disk mode fine 18.41.18 # and I reformatted it to NTFS 18.41.23 # then ran the apple restore tool 18.41.27 # it says it fails in windows 18.41.37 # but it does change the partitioning to the standard ipod setup 18.41.38 # shrift: in my case, iTunes said "bleh, your ipod is broken, you can restore it to factory settings by pressing here ..." 18.41.46 # yeah 18.41.48 # it says that 18.41.50 # everytime 18.42.02 # however, it never boots into the ipod OS 18.42.05 # : ( 18.42.36 # and I don't really care about that, but my understanding is that I need that working in order for rockbox to extract the files it needs? 18.42.47 # can you manually format the partition to fat32? 18.42.48 # preglow: using 0xffffff00 makes my H10 bootloader not work - same symptoms as your ipod bootloader 18.42.52 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849263.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.43.35 # well, it is currently fat32 18.44.38 # do we have a pastebin type thing, or just paste into the chat? 18.44.51 # Well, we have pastebin itself. 18.45.00 # i don't get this 18.45.07 # why does r8 get moved to r0 before main is called? 18.45.10 # main takes no parameters 18.45.22 # Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System 18.45.22 # /dev/sdc1 1 14 112423+ 0 Empty 18.45.22 # /dev/sdc2 15 7296 58492665 b W95 FAT32 18.45.28 # that is what the ipod looks like now 18.45.35 # so the partitions seem ok 18.45.36 # i've got a worrying feeling i wrote that code too... 18.45.47 # but for some reason it's not putting the OS in...? 18.45.57 # What type of iPod is it? 18.46.55 # 5.0 60gb 18.47.43 # dan_a wrote the new bootloader crt0 18.47.49 # Was it one of the 5.0s that Rockbox wouldn't install on? 18.49.28 # I have had rockbox on the device before.... 18.49.31 # I kinda jacked it up 18.49.33 # so I have to reinstall 18.49.48 # it's not one of the new "5.5" gen ipods 18.50.14 # Well, there were 5.0s that suffered the same problem as 5.5s. 18.50.25 # Have you tried using a different version of the restore tool, by the way? 18.51.20 # hmmmm, I have not yet tried a diff version of the tool 18.51.22 # I will try that 18.51.45 # thanks for the idea.... I still have an old one installed before they moved it all to the itunes integrated updater 18.52.00 # preglow: that mov r0, r8 looks unnecessary, but also harmless 18.52.42 # Good luck with it, shrift 18.52.55 # thanks, Paul_the_Nerd 18.53.13 # barrywardell: sure, r0 gets clobbered anyway, just wondering what was the rationale, heh 18.53.19 Quit Criamos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.53.19 # Paul_the_Nerd: did you see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6226 ? Is it along the lines you were thinking of? 18.53.52 # but the assumption here seems to be that we're loaded at the start of ram or something 18.53.55 # is this really so? 18.54.11 # that is so on the h10/sansa 18.54.18 # afaik 18.54.23 # Öðôå øû äøüøåôåøùòû öùêëøòï öøåð âùãèäó åíçó 18.54.28 # What is limitations working with double type 18.54.32 # ?? 18.54.38 # Or some known bugs? 18.55.01 # Gnelik: what are you trying to do? 18.55.57 # i+=(double)(LCD_WIDTH/plot.x_mod) i -double xmod-double 18.56.15 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549344CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.56.18 # and return (int)x*x x -double 18.56.27 # obo: From the description, yeah. 18.56.54 # obo: Sad to admit, I haven't tried it, yet. 18.57.39 # Gnelik: those lines are seriously fucked up, are you sure you don't have a problem with your irc client? 18.57.57 # heh, no worries. 18.58.18 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.125.40) 18.59.10 # i+=(double)(LCD_WIDTH/plot.x_mod) where i is double and x_mod is double 18.59.12 # obo: But it's definitely what I had in mind (and would reduce instances of some of the more common iPod complaints/questions, such as "Why doesn't car adapter mode work?" and "Why do my settings keep clearing?") 18.59.41 # Paul_the_Nerd: car adapter mode is only enabled on the 5g at the mo... 19.00.18 # Gnelik: nothing wrong with that 19.01.23 # obo: Yup, but it shouldn't have worked anyway, because receiving power from the car adapter would cause it to boot into disk mode anyway, right? 19.01.44 # Now, all someone needs to do is leave Hold on and Car Adapter mode should function fine (with that patch)? 19.01.46 # yes, unless you manually held menu 19.01.55 # AFAIK it should 19.02.15 # barrywardell: even if i calculate the pc at start: and use that for copying, it doesn't work 19.06.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.06.06 # Gnelik: It seems that gcc sometimes doesn't understand what you want. I would simply rewrite the line as: 19.06.19 # i+=(double)(LCD_WIDTH)/plot.x_mod 19.06.37 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 19.06.40 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp175-75.adsl.forthnet.gr) 19.06.41 # i.e. first casting LCD_WIDTH into double, and then dividing 19.06.46 # preglow:Do you have a time? Look at http://pastebin.ca/268374 19.07.10 # draw_plot function 19.10.07 # amiconn: Can't we DEBUGF double variables? 19.11.21 # Gnelik: not really, no 19.11.32 # barrywardell: didn't watch the channel much the last days. was there any progress on dualboot for h10? 19.11.46 # barrywardell: ok, i now tried to just skip the iram copy code, then insert a straight reset sequency, and then i get the ipod support screen 19.11.55 # barrywardell: which at least is a difference 19.12.03 # Arathis: it's being worked on right now 19.12.22 # Arathis: it's pretty much working 19.12.27 Join God__Eater [0] (n=kate_sho@host-84-9-130-253.bulldogdsl.com) 19.12.34 Quit God_Eater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.13.08 # Arathis: it works now :) 19.13.45 # barrywardell: great! is the new bootloader up already? 19.13.53 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.13.53 # * Arathis want's to download :D 19.13.54 # barrywardell: deh, i can't replicate that, apparently... 19.13.58 # it's not in cvs yet. 19.15.04 # btw: are the bootloaders at http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ build automatically out of cvs too? 19.15.10 # no 19.15.17 # barrywardell: Are there any features in the H10 retailos that make dualboot useful? 19.15.46 # radio and recording are the big two 19.15.49 # and wma 19.16.12 # well, this is annoying.... 19.16.19 # until somebody implements them in RB *g* 19.16.28 # i think i'll go get some dinner and wait for someone else to try too 19.17.04 # Ah ok. 19.17.11 # preglow: me too 19.17.16 # * amiconn wonders what's up with linuxstb's recording code 19.17.35 # amiconn: it works on H10 too, but with the same bugs 19.17.54 # What bugs? 19.18.04 # I cannot test, as my only PP target cannot record 19.18.14 # (DAC only - mini G2) 19.18.55 # playback is broken after recording 19.19.13 # mp3 encoding doesn't work - probably endian issues 19.19.23 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.19.48 # HMM :/ 19.19.49 # barrywardell: any idea when bootloader code will be in cvs? 19.19.56 # Arathis: look back on today's irc logs for a patch 19.20.06 # ah, okay 19.20.47 # thanks for the work again to you and dan_a 19.20.48 # Arathis: it's not in cvs yet because the same code affects the ipods and seems to break the ipod bootloader 19.22.19 # god knows what's wrong, though 19.22.26 # i now reset the cpu first thing 19.22.30 # yet nothing new seems to happen 19.22.34 # it just stays at the boot logo 19.22.38 # i'm off 19.22.40 # i think i should see a blink or something 19.22.41 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 19.23.10 # amiconn: there is a patch in the tracker http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6096 19.24.19 # preglow: very confusing. i'll try get a lend of an ipod color later and test on that 19.25.21 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 19.25.23 # but at least i can compile a working bootloader from the old code 19.25.27 # so something has to be up 19.25.39 # * preglow wants jtag 19.25.51 # When i do temp.y = i*i; all works ok 19.26.01 # I want dancing badgers. 19.26.01 # * barrywardell has jtag on his H10 19.26.08 # you mean bagders 19.26.08 # No-one ever gives me what I want. 19.26.14 # but when i do temp.y = count(i); 19.26.24 # it dont work 19.26.25 # Nah. I'm still mentally scarred by that picture on the forums. 19.26.34 # which? 19.26.37 # nope, i soldered onto the jtag pins on my H10 and made a connector 19.26.52 # static double count(double x) {return x*x;} 19.26.53 # Bit weird... Went crazy on the EQ/crossfeed/etc. on my H10 and I get no skip but a *very* unresponsive system... 19.27.01 # barrywardell: well, does it work? 19.27.08 # kind of 19.27.16 # Help please!! 19.27.24 # using jtag tools i can detect two jtag devices 19.27.25 # Search isn't working. Otherwise I'd provide a link. 19.27.28 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Remote closed the connection) 19.27.40 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@81.168.125.40) 19.27.50 # Cassandra: check your email - there awaits a dancing badger :) 19.27.50 # Augh, what keeps borking forum search. :( 19.28.15 # but it only recognises them as unknown 19.28.27 # barrywardell: which means you can't do anything with them, or? 19.28.34 # i was recommended to try openocd but haven't got that to work yet 19.28.46 # preglow: not yet 19.29.38 # I would do, but Thunderbird ate my mail profile. 19.29.39 # ??? 19.29.46 # Stupid Thunderbird. 19.30.52 # * amiconn really wonders what could cause the hang on G5.5/80GB 19.30.56 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 19.31.06 # Cassandra: check your profile.ini file 19.31.14 # This should be tracked down to the exact line of code that causes the hang 19.31.14 # you should be able to switch to your old profile 19.31.28 # if you are in win.. dunno about lin 19.32.11 # preglow: i gotta go now, but I'll check back in a few hours. and I'll check the logs to see if you found anything 19.32.22 # Barrywardell - Haven't got that dualboot to work on my H10 5gb MTP, by the way. 19.32.35 # no? how far did you get? 19.32.59 # did you make a H10.mi4 that doesn't give System Files Missing? 19.33.12 # First try got me into the iriver's loading screen and hung.. 19.33.27 # next tries stop on rockbox saying 'loading iriver firmware'. 19.33.37 Quit God__Eater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.33.46 # goffa: All looks good - and the profile's there. F*** knows what it's on. 19.33.59 # No 'system files missing' at all. Rockbox load real fine though. 19.34.04 # hmm... do you have more than one profile Cassandra? 19.34.10 # Nope 19.34.10 # PaulPosition: this is with my patch applied? 19.34.18 # ok.. that rules that out :( 19.34.18 # sounds like how things worked before 19.34.30 # And it was working on Friday before I went away for the weekend. 19.34.47 # what if you made a new profile and copied your boxes to that? 19.34.50 Join God__Eater [0] (n=kate_sho@host-84-9-129-187.bulldogdsl.com) 19.34.56 # barrywardell - Am thinking of something... 19.35.09 # its probably the files themselves.. but that sometimes works 19.35.11 # barrywardell - Please go on with your business, I'll catch you later :) 19.35.23 # ok, bye 19.35.23 Part barrywardell 19.35.30 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.37.36 # Pople help please with double types 19.37.46 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=MARVIN_T@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 19.38.32 # int a = x*x; where x-double works well, int a = count(x); where count static double count(double x) { return x*x;} 19.38.35 # Don't 19.38.57 # I a trying to make graph builder 19.39.48 # Do you declare count() before the statement? 19.40.08 # yes 19.42.35 # preglow: Cassandra probably means this picture http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6202.msg57683#msg57683... 19.43.35 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.44.40 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 19.47.32 # hmm.. i like the logo from alfred's post with rb_logo_mashup_blackbg.jpg 19.47.40 # with the white box next to rockbox 19.47.49 # with the downward facing note 19.48.30 # No other thougths? 19.49.02 # goffa: which one? 19.49.39 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6202.0;attach=1302 19.49.43 # with the white 19.49.53 # er bluish white whatever 19.50.18 # grrrr.. :( 19.50.48 # just looks clean 19.51.41 Quit Genre9mp3 () 19.52.41 # maybe i'm nuts.. but i like the upside down logo better :) 19.52.50 # but i can see the case for the R 19.53.04 # I still want a cuddly badger a la Linux Penguin. 19.53.14 # People like cuddly animals. 19.53.17 # he he he 19.53.33 # It could have little headphones and everything. 19.53.40 # And we could sell stuffed toys. 19.53.54 # move for a mascot? 19.53.56 # lol 19.54.31 # like at rbcon you could have a guy in a badger costume walking around, etc 19.55.10 # Yeah. People relate to mascots. 19.55.18 # * Cassandra is semi-serious. 19.55.52 # would be a good promo thing 19.55.59 # to raise money for the project 19.56.28 Quit God__Eater (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.56.28 Quit TommyTott () 19.56.30 # t-shirts, badger caps (w and w/o phones) 19.56.31 Join God__Eater [0] (n=kate_sho@host-84-9-129-187.bulldogdsl.com) 19.57.40 # with the tagline "Badgers, we don't need no stinking Badgers!" (sorry had to throw that in somewhere, has to come up when badgers are mentioned) 19.57.42 # i hear that companies with mascots make 17% more proffit 19.59.55 Quit Siku () 20.01.52 # goffa - it's one of my favourite sayings. 20.02.16 # Now I have "We don't need no stinking badgers!" to the tune of The Wall going through my head. 20.02.19 # Oh well. 20.02.58 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.03.34 # Thanks for sharing the misery :) 20.03.56 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p54BF6E74.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.04.03 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0bf20afc75151791) 20.04.56 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 20.05.44 # Besides, everyone loves badgers, right? 20.06.38 # Brilliant. So thanks to Dunderbird, I've lost my archived gmail posts and my Bayesian spam blocking database. Pfeh. 20.06.48 # pixelma: hahahaha 20.07.02 # Good job my main account is on IMAP. Stupid Mozilla peeps. 20.07.34 # preglow, told you it was mentally scarring. 20.09.01 # Cassandra: as mental scars go, this one worked out nicely 20.09.44 # i like those logos 20.09.54 # very much cleaner than the current design 20.11.55 # As I said in the thread - I like them, but not enough for it to be worth changing our stationary. 20.12.24 # They're missing some sort of personality or pizzazz or something beginning with P. 20.12.29 # hahah 20.12.31 # pizza 20.12.38 # it's surely missing pizza 20.12.46 # but no, i think the current logo looks too crowded 20.12.57 # I'm no fan of the old logo, but replacing it with something else uninspiring doesn't strike me as a good move. 20.13.00 # i'd love to see a new website design based on those 20.13.17 # hmm 20.13.19 # preglow, I think most people are in agreement with that. 20.13.31 # I also think it's too orange, but I think that's a more personal thing. 20.13.48 # FWIW I like the logos in the thread more than the current one 20.14.03 # Oh noes 20.14.07 # * bluebrother likes the current logo best 20.14.23 # Could someone please make this silly logo thread go away? grr 20.15.04 # why silly? 20.15.10 # I wouldn't mind booting to this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6202.0;attach=1312;image but I'm kinda happy with the current website+logo combination. 20.15.23 # Cassandra: agree with the orangeness 20.15.44 # Paul_the_Nerd: i think there's one colour too many in that one 20.16.21 # I think the gray on the box should match the gray in the word, yes. 20.16.46 # It's easier to argue about the logos than to work out how to make the bootloader work across iPods, Sansas and H10s... 20.17.11 # Paul_the_Nerd: nice logo :) 20.17.33 # habana: It's not mine. 20.17.52 # talking about logos also is a FUN break from looking at the apple logo straight for two hours 20.17.55 # i like fun 20.18.01 # I'm not wholly sure where the original attribution lies, The 'cube' is from somewhere on Misticriver. 20.18.01 # Hehehe.. Well I can say that Barry's bootloader does dualboot on my H10 5gb. Yay!! 20.18.14 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730180a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 20.18.45 # hmm, now iriver bootup looks quite "professional". After pressing power on, backlight almost immediately fades in and rockbox logo displays :) 20.19.21 # Slasheri: ooh :) 20.19.43 # * amiconn is a bit surprised about linux media players 20.19.55 # Neither totem nor rhythmbox do gapless 20.21.29 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.21.39 # nothing does... 20.21.46 # musicpd does :D 20.21.46 # linux media players bloody suck 20.21.48 # each one of them 20.21.58 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 20.22.00 # eh, I disagree - musicpd is good 20.22.02 # mpd does gapless 20.22.17 # supports gapless playback, lots of formats, searching through filename or id3 tags, etc. 20.22.29 # that and it uses a daemon-client model, which is rather cool 20.23.08 # amiconn: hmm, something seems to be wrong with the boosting code.. Now after undefined the cpu boost tracking, now iriver crashes at first boost also 20.23.14 # and when loading from disk 20.23.37 # tehsmo: does it require you to make a database? 20.23.58 # preglow: yeah 20.24.05 # you give it a directory to search in and it generates one 20.24.12 # then it's out of the question 20.24.40 # eh, I don't mind having to update the db every once in a while 20.24.41 # amicon: if you'd like an alternative topic, I'd like to talk about how to automate downloading voicefonts. 20.24.42 # also, i'm not a fan of client-daemon stuff when it comes to media players 20.24.45 # Now I can understand why some people want the rockbox sim as a media player 20.24.50 # tehsmo: i mind even having a database 20.25.05 # it's worth it for the other features (keyword search, multiple clients including CLI ones, seemless switching from alsa playback to a shoutcast stream, etc.) 20.25.06 # amiconn: it actually is the best thing i've got... now if only it used less cpu 20.25.10 # but I can see where you're coming from 20.25.14 # * amiconn also doesn't want a database 20.25.18 # i think also rockbox would be superiour audio player engine even on linux 20.25.33 # preglow: On linux I tend to believe this now. On windows there are better alternatives 20.25.44 # of course it would have some limitations on pc.. but still 20.26.01 # amiconn: sometimes I think you'd be happiest if rockbox ran on Stonehenge. ;) 20.26.11 # ? 20.26.17 # amarok is quite good on linux, but it's database and ui is too laggy 20.26.26 # amiconn: surely, yes 20.26.28 # Cassandra: The port's underway, but only getting to test code on solstices and equinoxes makes debugging a hassle. 20.26.30 # eh ..amarok requires KDElibs iirc 20.26.31 # amiconn: nothing beats foobar2000 20.26.37 # * tehsmo doesn't like his mp3 players to require gui libs 20.26.41 # this one claims gapless too http://aqualung.sourceforge.net/ 20.26.45 # Prehistoric stone circle. I'm implying you like things no-frills. 20.26.46 # Anything that _requires_ to build a database is out of question for me 20.26.50 # oh yes 20.26.53 # although, I don't like them to require guis *at all* 20.27.03 # preglow: Hehe, I never tried foobar, but there are numerous others 20.27.10 # amiconn, but Rockbox doesn't require it. Just uses it if you want to. 20.27.45 # amiconn: no wasted cpu/memory on a fancy gui, and it does almost everything you want 20.28.59 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.29.05 # client/server can be useful if it doesn't make configuration too complex 20.29.07 # Deliplayer is an example for client/server on windows 20.29.10 # foobar's not bad. And you can do replaygain tagging in it. 20.29.12 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.29.12 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.29.29 # * amiconn doesn't need or want replaygain either 20.29.36 # argh.. does anybody mind if i rip off that boost tracking code? 20.29.49 # it's even defined incorrectly.. 20.29.57 # disabling it crashes it 20.30.19 # * Cassandra likes replaygain. 20.30.20 # Slasheri: eh, don't we need to put in a lot of manual unboosting again then? 20.30.36 # preglow: no, it's used only for debugging 20.30.45 # Minimises faffing with the volume control without doing nasty intrusive things to your media files. 20.30.54 # preglow: and there could be a better implementation.. 20.30.59 # foobar2000 is teh win 20.31.11 # Slasheri: pondlife might... 20.31.16 # each boost/unboost could include the filename and line number from code if necessary 20.31.31 # Slasheri: ahh, that, i don't care much about that, no 20.31.36 # hmm, but he said too it could be implemented better.. 20.31.56 # I think tracking could perhaps be logf-only 20.31.57 # Scrap it, and if someone complains about it being gone, tell them it's their job to make it work right. :-P 20.32.04 # * Cassandra is overawed with the huge response to rbutil 0.2 20.32.11 # amiconn: true, that sounds much better and simpler 20.32.19 # without complex syntax and defines.. 20.32.23 # could be fully automatic 20.32.30 # Did anyone try it and like it? 20.32.41 # Didn't have windows to try it :( 20.33.27 # *nod* I'd try to knock up a Linux version, but my Linux machine is currently misbehaving and won't boot. 20.33.58 # That after I gave it some TLC to fix some overheating issues it was having *sigh* 20.34.15 # Sometimes I think technology just hates me. Why did I ever become a sysadmin? 20.34.22 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 20.34.50 # * obo has asked himself that as well 20.34.58 # Do you have a Makefile for it? 20.36.09 # Nope, but Code::Blocks runs under Linux. 20.36.35 # i think i will just remove the boosting code for now, it seems quite buggy and write into outside memory addresses.. 20.36.43 # no wonder if it might crash system 20.36.45 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.36.52 # Boosting, or boost tracking? 20.36.57 # code::blocks is great;P 20.36.58 # ah, boost tracking 20.37.45 # and the implementation is overkill.. 20.39.18 # Cassandra, I tried it from wine but it crashed the moment when it tries to access the network 20.39.31 # btw, is it really necessary to install that first? 20.39.35 # bluebrother, I had one report of it working in Wine. 20.39.43 # Install what? 20.39.49 # install the tool 20.40.04 # the download itself is some windows installer 20.40.10 # Oh, nope. 20.40.25 # Just copy the file and the ini file into the same place then run it. 20.40.35 # Of course you need to be able to get to them to do that. 20.40.55 # IMO an officiall installer should be a simple zip file and be able updating a build while also running from the player itself 20.41.08 # i.e. when stored on the player of course ;-) 20.41.31 # bluebrother: On the zune it could even do what you said first ;) 20.41.32 # I think it'll run from the player if you install it there. 20.42.13 # if it doesn't need that installation I guess so ;-) 20.42.43 # Wont save your settings across machines. 20.42.47 # But it'll work. 20.43.43 # why, doesn't it save its settings in the program folder? 20.46.40 # Saving settings in the program folder is about the worst thing to do 20.46.59 # in most cases, yes. 20.47.00 # Code::Blocks don't seem to have made any source code available in the last year, only windows binaries :( 20.47.03 # (unless the program folder is located on removable storage) 20.47.17 # * n1s gives up on installing "codeblocks" and waits for someone to make the utility work in linux 20.47.24 # obo they have svn 20.47.47 # ah, now where is that hiding? Could only find a page saying they weren't using CVS anymore 20.48.01 # for a rockbox installer it would be good if it could run from the device, and it should also save its settings in that case 20.48.10 # obo http://www.codeblocks.org/source_code.shtml 20.48.24 # thanks n1s 20.48.58 # np, if you can get it to compile on your system please tell me what you did 20.49.10 # bluebrother, nope. Saves them in an OS dependent place. 20.49.29 # Obviously on a Linux system, trying to save things in the program's own folder is a bad thing. 20.49.39 # Same on windows 20.50.22 # obo: Follow the links from the main page to the nightly build. 20.50.37 # It's a bit involved, but you do get to the forum links in the end. 20.50.55 # They don't have a binary for my arch 20.51.04 # sure, but the installer should be capable of running as "portable app" 20.51.12 # or at least I didn't see one - x86_64 linux 20.51.21 # bluebrother: Suggest a good way of detecting how you're running from the device, and I'll implement it. 20.51.48 # obo: Ah. Right. :( 20.51.52 # i wonder if list scrolling could be improved by using all scroll lines which save the text...then.each increment would just offseting the scroll lines up/down and add one new line (instead of fetching all the lines for each increment) 20.52.08 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 20.52.22 # lowlight: have you seen TPs old patch? 20.52.33 # although I'm not exactly sure you'd want the download cache on the device. 20.52.44 # Cassandra, maybe a command line switch? And use a local configuration if there is one in the programs folder 20.52.58 # obo: no...but i thought it did something with the framebuffer 20.53.13 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 20.55.00 # lowlight: FS#5591 just changes to list.[ch] 20.55.35 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEFE62.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.57.10 # The one thing I really wish I could stick in the installer is a firmware patcher. 20.57.27 Part Paul_the_Nerd 20.57.45 # Bit of a major project, that one though. 20.57.47 # Cassandra: I'm working on it... :) 20.57.57 # Since every bloody firmware's different. 20.58.03 # obo: tell me more? 20.58.33 # the *patcher's should be libraries ... 20.58.34 # obo: ok...I must have been thinking of something else then 20.59.06 # bluebrother: to save on binary size? 20.59.07 # lowlight: Fetching the text is neglectible. All the graphical operations take way more time 20.59.27 # But without actually seeing it, I don't know how bad it is 20.59.44 # Lists are scrolling with decent speed on all my targets 20.59.57 # obo, no, to make it possible to add it to e.g. the installer as dynamic library 21.00.34 # amiconn: btw - any idea why the font compiler doesn't seem to be paying much attention to the unicode codes in jackash-16.bdf 21.00.35 # I don't see why you'd need to do that? 21.00.46 # all my international characters are screwy. 21.01.08 # And I'm pretty sure I went through by hand and gave 'em all the right unicode codes. 21.01.08 # you don't need to, but I think it would make it easier. No chance of code duplication 21.01.47 # I'd love to have a bunch of libraries I could just link in to the installer. 21.02.14 # amiconn: If you want to fetch text from (i.e. search) the database, it does take some time, apparantly. 21.02.41 # * bluebrother wanted to give librarifying the patchers a shot so he can get some knowledge of that library thingy 21.02.59 # * bluebrother googles for a "donate time" button for his little webspace 21.03.37 # amiconn:you (and I) have small screens though 21.03.54 # The H300 screen isn't small... 21.04.38 # lowlight: currently my 5G scolls at 4.9 lines per second 21.04.47 # ok then 21.04.56 # * goffa returns from lunch $.90 poorer.. damn high stakes gambling 21.05.39 # i read the convo about players.. i like mpd with gmpc as a front end 21.05.49 # and sometimes no gmpc 21.05.58 # depending on if i'm in the mood to see track names 21.06.01 # I still like badgers. It's a shame you can't play MP3s on them. 21.06.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.06.22 # * tehsmo likes the mpc frontend, since it works nicely over an ssh session for shoutcast stream control 21.06.37 # well... before i switched to dapper i did :) 21.06.58 # You know, I'm confused. I really don't think the 5g scrolls too slowly. 21.07.03 # now i'm on edgy... so moving further from tunes on the badger 21.08.10 # goffa - phear my geek cred. Colin Watson and Ian Jackson of Canonical are both personal friends. ;) 21.08.39 # Oh, yeah, and I've met that Daniel Stenberg too - total loser, if you ask me. 21.08.54 # lol 21.09.16 # i met a unix user once 21.09.22 # ok, i'm tired of this fucking apple now 21.09.26 # :P 21.09.52 # preglow, maybe you're too young for it. 21.10.09 # that's gonna leave a mark 21.11.48 Quit markun ("leaving") 21.11.58 # obo: H300 scrolls at about 15 lines per second. That's unboosted, and within a tagcache list 21.12.12 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 21.12.37 # * bluebrother failed to find a time donation button / service 21.13.18 # * obo found one called redundancy 21.13.35 Part Jagan81 21.17.45 # bhargh 21.17.59 # i've got a feeling i'm looking for the error in some completely different spot than where i'll fin dit 21.19.02 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B179E8.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.22.54 Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.28 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@76.16.18.102) 21.29.06 # Hmm, someone should update the model list on the frontpage a bit 21.32.45 # Bagder: If someone updates files in the www module, do those changes show up automagically? 21.33.07 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1670C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.33.13 # amiconn: change the list in what way? 21.33.47 # G5.5 is supported now, except 80GB model 21.33.51 # linuxstb: hmm, maybe you would like to answer to that.. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7570.0 21.34.04 # (he needs probably the updated ipodpatcher utility) 21.34.21 # doing it manually on linux is funner <.< 21.34.43 # except cvs bootloader for ipod does not support 5.5G yet 21.34.44 # core does 21.34.49 # ah 21.35.03 # amiconn: but 21.35.09 # amiconn: when can we boot into apple os too 21.35.10 Quit zylche (Remote closed the connection) 21.35.38 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.35.41 # That's not a requirement for being counted as supported 21.35.48 # :( 21.36.03 # On X5 and H10 we don't have (official) dual boot either 21.36.15 # but like on other ipods you have 21.36.31 # and without apple os you can't take everything off from your ipod 21.36.57 # it's now like... 2 hours of music or 14 hours of music and videos 21.37.06 # but not 14 hours of doom :D 21.37.28 # I get about 9 hours of music from my ipod... and I've scrapped the of 21.37.42 Quit perplexity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.57 # Slasheri: What needs to be done in the bootloader? Just rebuild it with the new fat driver, or is there more? 21.39.18 # amiconn: it needs change to the load address and some padding 21.39.27 # i haven't yet figured out how to auto-detect that 21.39.54 # or infact.. that was the ipod patcher 21.40.00 # not the bootloader itself 21.40.26 # yep, cvs bootloader works fine 21.40.52 # and yes, i have already started adding a command line option for the 5.5g.. 21.41.00 # didn't even remember that ;) 21.41.29 Quit Cassandra (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 21.41.54 # now trying to finish the iriver flashing so i could do some commits and clean-up local repository :) 21.43.29 # amiconn: however, that rom loading problem and crash on set_cpu_frequency seems to be a tough one :/ 21.44.14 # I suspect something related to rom waitstates, but the code doesn't look suspicious... 21.44.37 # amiconn: and all further cpu_boost:n works fine 21.44.43 # yep 21.44.58 # so that's really weird.. even cpu_boost(false); should do the excact same thing as set_cpu_frequency 21.45.09 # somehow it's only the first call that is causing the issue 21.45.44 # But if that first call happens later, it's no longer an issue iiuc? 21.45.54 # true 21.45.59 # then it never crashes 21.46.44 Join [TEHb]_ [0] (n=nickolay@mail2.protei.ru) 21.46.47 # <[TEHb]_> Hallo 21.46.59 # very weird 21.46.59 # <[TEHb]_> linuxstb: Hi. 21.47.05 # <[TEHb]_> linuxstb: there? 21.47.34 # amiconn: if you would like to try, i can send a patch and working bootloader 21.48.03 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-127-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.51.38 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.52.50 # amiconn: in fact i got some idea to try.. just a moment 21.52.52 Join bluestorm [0] (n=bluestor@mna75-1-81-57-39-150.fbx.proxad.net) 21.53.08 # hi 21.53.17 # hi 21.53.23 # My mom just bought a Ipod Nano 21.53.32 # i was considering putting rockbox on it 21.53.41 # how can i know wich "generation" it is ? 21.54.00 # (as it seems 2nd one isn't supported, whereas 1st is) 21.54.04 # i have no idea.. maybe somebody else here knows 21.54.10 # did you search rockbox wiki? 21.54.37 # hum 21.54.45 # Slasheri, Quickly. 21.54.48 # bluestorm: is the whole thing metal or is the front plastic and the back metal? 21.54.52 # hm 21.54.55 # gonna look 21.54.57 # hmmm.. 21.54.59 # <[TEHb]_> Guys, what's really mean -mlong-calls gcc option? 21.55.00 # hm. 21.55.02 # huh... 21.55.04 # hm.. 21.55.07 # * zylche tuts 21.55.08 # hm.. 21.55.10 # stop please.. 21.55.12 # ohh.. 21.55.13 # ah hah 21.55.14 # hm.. 21.55.20 # * zylche loops 21.55.23 # [TEHb]_: it's for making gcc use long calls on arm 21.55.39 # <[TEHb]_> preglow: Already read description, but anyway, can't understand, what's really changed in the ASM? 21.55.42 # [TEHb]_: ordinarily, arm uses short local jumps for all function calls, but we can't use that yet thanks to iram 21.56.01 # [TEHb]_: what changes is that all function calls use 12 byts instead of 4 21.56.13 # also they execute around four cycles slower 21.56.14 # scorche: full metal 21.56.17 # (execpt the roll) 21.56.23 # then it is a second gen 21.56.23 # perhaps even more 21.56.29 # hmmm 21.56.32 # the roll? 21.56.38 # so there can be no rockbox for it ? 21.56.45 # atm, no 21.56.47 # (the with circle used for selection) 21.56.47 # ok 21.56.58 # should it be available soon ? 21.57.04 # doubt it 21.57.39 # <[TEHb]_> preglow: sorry, don't know, what's 'irams'. Just found this channel in the google.com 21.57.50 # hnn 21.57.54 # it's a shame ^^ 21.57.57 # <[TEHb]_> preglow: BL used for doing short calls? 21.58.43 # * [TEHb]_ working with Intel Xscale CPU's 21.58.53 # not really..the 2nd gen is vastly different....it will be a large amount of work 21.59.13 # [TEHb]_: iram is ram that is internal to the cpu, the problem is it's address, which is 0x40000000 21.59.23 # [TEHb]_: and that's out of bounds for arm's usual short relative jumps 22.00.39 Quit Kingstone () 22.00.39 # <[TEHb]_> preglow: hmm, you mean, that we can't specify such big offset in the shift ? 22.00.47 # correct 22.00.57 Part bluestorm ("Konversation terminated!") 22.00.58 # [TEHb]_: the branch instructions can only specify offset +/- 32 megs in size 22.01.14 # [TEHb]_: ordinary ram is mapped at 0, iram is mapped at 0x40000000, which is way too much 22.01.35 # <[TEHb]_> I'm very interesting in switch method 22.01.42 # preglow: and gcc doesn't choose from call to call what kind of jump it should use? 22.01.51 # markun: sadly, no 22.01.57 # markun: we haven't found a good way to make it do so yet 22.02.07 # markun: it's really braindead, the only jumps we want to be long are those too and from iram 22.02.17 # why it's so hard telling gcc that i don't know 22.02.29 # several tens of kilobytes of rockbox code is wasted on those long valls 22.02.31 # calls 22.02.47 # The current way to tell gcc when to use long jumps is (1) not sophisticated enough to tell what we really want (2) somewhat buggy 22.03.21 # Gcc can be told to use long jumps whenever a function uses a section attribute 22.03.34 # amiconn: ok, found the issue.. 22.03.40 # flash wait states seem to be wrong 22.03.45 # <[TEHb]_> but we can use longcall attribute for such functions? 22.03.51 # [TEHb]_: nope 22.03.55 # doesn't work 22.03.58 # when i changed it bigger, booted fine 22.04.05 # [TEHb]_: The longcall attribute is another such quirk 22.04.33 # The necessity for long calls does neither depend solely on the caller nor solely on the callee, it depends on both 22.04.44 # It seems gcc doesn't know that... 22.05.04 # amiconn: but it's weird why it crahes only at the beginning.. 22.05.17 # and not later 22.05.22 # An iram function could call another iram function with a short call, the same way as a dram function could call another dram function 22.06.03 # There should be a way to tell gcc to use long call if, and only if, the destination lies in a different section 22.06.22 # <[TEHb]_> Therefore, the easiest way - just use -mlong-call flag ? :) 22.06.29 # Even better would be an option to specify section pairs for which to use long calls 22.07.35 # (and regarding the bugginess - you can't rely on the section attribute thing when not using -ffunction-sections. Sometimes it doesn't work) 22.07.37 # amiconn: or could it be possible while PLL is locking, it could momentarily put cpu running at too high speed? 22.07.44 # Nope 22.07.52 # amiconn: so maybe after PLL has locked, we could restore the lower wait state 22.07.53 # hmm.. 22.07.57 # The cpu runs at plain xtal clock until the pll is locked 22.08.02 # ah 22.08.05 # This is automatic 22.08.57 # then probably 1 wait state is just not enough.. 22.09.44 # i will change it to 2 22.09.59 # Why would it only crash the first time, and only if this first time happens early? 22.10.10 # i have no idea.. 22.10.58 # at least CPUFREQ_MAX works ok with 4 wait states 22.11.12 # ouch 22.11.19 # good thing we've got a code cache 22.11.46 Quit mirak (Operation timed out) 22.12.05 # preglow: yep, i haven't even noticed a slowdown when running from rom 22.12.19 # but need to do more measurements.. 22.12.25 # RAM isn't exactly fast either 22.12.33 # hehe 22.13.46 # On coldfire targets the ROM is 16 bits wide, so no slowdown due to bus width 22.14.13 # But even on archos where the ROM is only 8 bits wide, running from rom pays off 22.14.30 # ..even though the slower execution speed is sometimes noticeable 22.14.30 # obo: had a look at that patch...it only optimizes the list when no text is changing & just the cursor is moving...so basically the beginning & end of the list display. 22.14.55 # 124/4 = 31, 45/1 = 45 22.14.57 # Namely when using tagcache^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^hdatabase 22.15.05 # so it might be very possible 1 wait state is not enough.. 22.15.21 # Slasheri: Very wrong calculation... 22.15.28 # hehe :D 22.15.29 # The basic bus cycle is 3 clocks 22.15.38 # ah, i haven't read the spec yet 22.15.49 # So 1 waitstate makes that 4 clocks, and 4 waitsates makes it 7 clocks 22.16.00 # oh 22.16.08 # * amiconn recommends MCF5249UM.pdf 22.16.16 # yep, i have it :) checking now 22.17.13 # amiconn: ok, then it should be more than enough.. 22.17.23 # yup 22.17.38 # I cross-checked the timing with the eeprom datasheet 22.17.45 # *eprom 22.18.00 # Bah, whatever_prom 22.18.08 # :) 22.18.35 # lowlight: more useful with paged scrolling then? 22.19.27 # yes 22.20.40 Quit PaulPosition (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.21.15 # bagder: who should I speak with about wiki editing privileges? 22.23.41 # does anybody know to whom I should speak about wiki editing privileges? 22.24.05 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-62-250.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.24.06 # yes anyone who already has wiki editing privileges 22.24.11 # ah 22.24.22 # well, can anyone give "BrendanMartens" editing privileges, please? 22.24.36 # if you promise not to spam :-) 22.24.44 # I promise. : ) 22.24.48 # amiconn: hmm, now i don't understand.. looking at the spec it says that wait states are on bits 13-10 22.25.12 # but looking at source, it seems bits 12-09 are used 22.25.36 # and bit 9 is reserved, or has no defined function 22.25.48 # The code uses bit 13..10 22.26.00 # really? i will double-check 22.26.16 # Yes, definitely 22.26.35 # 0x0580 sets bit 10, 8 and 7 22.26.53 # shrift: done 22.26.57 # thank you, n1s 22.27.13 # ups 22.27.55 # was just so long bit string i readed it wrongly from the calculator 22.28.59 # * preglow does all his hex<->bit conversions in his head 22.29.00 Join Lars_G [0] (n=lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 22.29.09 # hehe 22.29.12 # proving i am a healthy young male 22.29.20 # * amiconn usually does the same 22.29.32 # preglow: i trust more on the calculator as it's not so easy to make mistakes :) 22.29.42 # and those mistakes are really hard to find 22.29.57 # i do use a calc when the numbers get too long 22.30.08 Part Lars_G ("Leaving") 22.30.29 # hehe, sure. simple byte or nibble-byte calculations are also easy to do in head 22.35.52 # amiconn: so PLLCR &= ~1; should immediately switch main clock to the xtal? 22.38.41 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 22.39.13 # I'm unable to enter the "View HW info" menu. Is there anything special I need to change for it to work? 22.40.00 # hallo all 22.40.05 # Slasheri: Yes 22.40.12 # is this archos player capable of using rockbox? 22.40.19 # markun: Yes, you need to implement it... 22.40.19 # markun: did you check debug_menu.c? 22.40.30 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 22.40.35 # http://www.plus.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/de/-/EUR/PlusPKDisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=6w-tVGbyRVyvVCOHDehKtFHM0RaGNudIW4Y=?ProductSKU=96766000&ProductID=wSmR5G8V5_gAAAEPKUcrUAe2&CatalogCategoryID=VseR5M0Lv5AAAAENz7PtWc68&CallFrom=Catalog 22.40.39 # The default function just returns imediately, so it appears as if you can't enter it 22.40.48 Join jba_ [0] (n=jba@postoffice.rogen.com.au) 22.41.07 # blue_lizard: nope 22.41.18 # thx 22.41.26 # amiconn: I thought I implemented everything. 22.41.33 # it would have been too nice 22.41.49 # I setup the right address in dbg_flash_id 22.42.28 # amiconn: ah, I see it now 22.42.44 Quit nudelin ("Hammer of Dawn is offline.") 22.46.27 # Hmmm... does anybody know why on the PortalPlayer units we disable the I2S FIFO and then the interrupt when we stop playback, but disable the interrupt first when we pause it (this is in pcm_playback.c)? Does the order matter at all? 22.47.02 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.47.28 Join forehead [0] (i=54bd7ef6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c8ff993da102094e) 22.47.37 # oh please 22.47.48 # * petur slaps forehead 22.48.11 # dan_a: btw, I created http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port today to have something to point users to 22.48.25 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rrcs-70-62-36-2.central.biz.rr.com) 22.48.40 # * forehead pays back all the slapping 22.48.49 Quit forehead (Client Quit) 22.49.33 # Bagder: Excellent. I'll update it with the obvious things ("No, Rockbox hasn't drained your battery that quickly") shortly 22.49.41 # Bagder: Got my question? 22.49.45 # amiconn: nope 22.49.55 # * Bagder gets it now 22.50.05 # yes, the www module is supposed to update automaticly 22.50.22 # ok 22.50.38 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.50.44 # * petur is *very* happy: squeezebox2 returned from repairs and playing nice as ever 22.52.45 # Bagder: If you have a couple of minutes, can you put http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.4.zip in http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ and also extract ipodpatcher.exe from the zip file and put that in the same place (replacing the previous version). 22.53.14 Join nudelin [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-66-224.dslaccess.co.uk) 22.53.24 # will do, in a few minutes 22.53.25 # the font color in the picture menu is white instead of black like it is in the rest of the menus 22.53.35 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54932056.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.53.41 # Bagder: Thanks. 22.53.44 # how come? is this color set somewhere else than the regular one? 22.53.55 # it'd be cool if i could read the picture menu text 22.53.56 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 22.54.06 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.54.10 # spug: in the jpeg viewer? 22.55.19 # yeah 22.55.22 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 22.55.31 Quit Davide-NYC (Client Quit) 22.55.33 # linuxstb: Does that one include G5.5 support? 22.55.39 # Yes. 22.55.45 Part lowlight 22.55.46 # ipod_fw.c still needs fixing though. 22.55.52 # n1s: i can't read any of the text in the JPEG viewer because of the color 22.56.10 # (there's a patch, but it's not in CVS, and I don't know if the patch good...) 22.56.33 # it used to have black background with white text but then someone changed so the backdrop is still there, I'd like it changed back as displaying a picture on top of another is not always a good idea 22.56.55 # AFAIK, dual-boot is broken on the 5.5g - that's probably caused by ipod_fw.c not building the combined firmware image in the way the Rockbox bootloader expects. 22.57.22 # spug: maybe I'll change it tomorrow if I find the time. 22.57.27 # The background should be black while showing the jpeg, but the menu could continue using the user-selcted ui colours and backdrop 22.58.30 # amiconn: sounds reasonable, I use white text anyway so I didn't realize that was hardcoded before 22.58.42 # linuxstb: i think kalthare's original patch breaks ipod_fw for other ipods 22.58.45 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 22.59.38 Join GliTch_ [0] (i=GliTch_@24-171-53-170.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 23.00.42 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 23.01.00 # n1s: thanks a lot' 23.01.17 # Kasperle: Yes, I think it does. It should be possible to detect what kind of firmware image is being processed, and adjust automatically - i.e. all 5G users (old and new) would continue to just use the same "-g 5g" option. 23.01.20 # n1s: should i submit a bug report or something? 23.05.13 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 23.06.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.07.51 # Bagder: Any new info from MrH? It sounds like he's got a whole pile of things he's nearly ready to tell us about... 23.08.19 # no news since that last one, no 23.08.53 Join dantheman [0] (n=danielma@134.178.20.94) 23.08.58 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-57a33efb1558e69e) 23.09.51 # I've had a bit of a play with DMA on the flash, but not got it working reliably 23.10.21 Quit shrift (Remote closed the connection) 23.10.40 # jhMikeS: what can I do to help with determining the validity of the recording bug? 23.10.55 # linuxstb: those files are now in position on download.rockbox.org 23.11.15 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.11.50 # otp 23.12.29 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 23.12.47 Quit dantheman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.13.26 # Bagder: Thanks. 23.13.56 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 23.14.27 # dan_a: Btw, I think ata-e200.c should be renamed 23.14.33 # It's just not ata 23.14.58 # All it has to do with ata is that it resembles the ata.c api 23.15.01 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496667D.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.16.00 # subversion... 23.16.10 # git... 23.16.20 # something-not-cvs 23.16.27 # i don't really care, but people know how to use svn 23.17.09 # * amiconn is waiting for the svn move as well 23.17.28 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 23.17.43 # There is a couple of files which should be renamed or moved as-is, but I don't want to lose the history 23.18.05 # Bagder: make a FinallySVN wiki page which lists what scripts need to be rewritten, then wait until they are :> 23.18.08 # hmm, one simple way to speed up scrolling on ipod seems to be limit the lcd refresh rate 23.18.19 # and actually works quite well 23.18.37 # Slasheri: speeding up scrolling on ipod should be done by rewriting the wheel handling, if you ask me 23.18.43 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 23.18.48 # preglow: yes, that of course too 23.18.55 # but currently lcd is lagging too much 23.19.06 # (unless pages scrolling is used) 23.19.09 # and the best way would be to allow moving more entries in one go than just one 23.19.12 # and even then 23.19.27 Join webguest91 [0] (i=5873b21c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5a089edf6f2ad89c) 23.19.28 # but of course, the 5g is slow as hell in just drawing too 23.19.37 # amiconn: I've got no problem with renaming it - although at the moment it's obvious what file ata_read_sectors will be in, even if there is no ATA in the code. 23.19.41 # hmm, indeed 23.19.44 # Slasheri: A good reason for optimisation... 23.19.49 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 23.19.59 # amiconn :) 23.20.33 # dan_a: Hmm, not really. The ather ata-.c files only provide target specific bits & pieces for use in ata.c 23.20.55 # ata-e200.c is self-contained, much like ata-mmc.c is for the Ondio 23.21.19 # (and ata_mmc.c is another candidate for renaming + moving) 23.21.48 # amiconn: hmm, atm i couldn't find other solution than just using wait state 2.. 23.21.50 # Any of you guys have any idea why I would get data abort on turning crossfeed on? Could it have to do with Barrywardell's bootloader which I tried (and love, dualboot!)? 23.22.00 # or boost cpu first to MAX frequency 23.22.43 # or maybe the pll is incorrectly initialized.. 23.23.03 # that would explain it 23.26.03 # PaulPosition: how do you make the choice to boot one or another ? just finished to make the same for sansa 23.26.21 # habana: Press left to boot to OF 23.26.30 # thanks 23.26.39 # (hold it down until it says that it's loading Sandisk firmware) 23.27.19 # has someone tested the graphical bootloader from Gnelink ? 23.28.45 # Slasheri: That doesn't make sense... 23.29.02 # habana: Last time I checked it, it wasn't working properly (because the timer interrupt does not get enabled in the bootloader) 23.29.32 # Something is running wild in an inconsistent way... at least there is no visible consistency 23.29.46 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.30.15 # amiconn: hmm, true.. that might be also possible, then then it must be some interrupt 23.30.28 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 23.31.16 # Hmm, now that you say it... interrupts aren't disabled within set_cpu_frequency() 23.31.30 # ...and they shoudn't, because this function can take some time 23.31.45 Quit Rudy4Pez (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.31.45 # indeed.. 23.31.49 # i will try that :) 23.31.56 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 23.32.04 # You probably got that wrong... 23.32.14 # ah, hmm 23.32.18 # Interrupts should _not_ be disabled in set_cpu_frequency 23.32.43 # This function can take several milliseconds, so disabling interrupts is out of question 23.32.44 # disabling interrupts for a whole pll relock would be very nasty 23.32.51 # but disabling them temporarily would reveal if the problem is with interrupts 23.32.52 # YOu can do this as an experiment though 23.33.17 # hmm, but now need to go.. more testing tomorrow :) 23.33.27 # If an interrupt happens after reprogramming the pll but before reprogramming the waitstates, ugly things might happenn 23.33.53 # Hmm, but we could disable interrupts immediately before reprogramming the pll, and enable them after reprogramming the waitstates 23.34.09 # ...before the wait-for-relock loop 23.36.38 # Another option would be to track whether we're switching up or down (only relevant for CPUFREQ_NORMAL), and reprogram waitstates before the pll when switching up, and after the pll when switching down 23.39.34 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 23.40.13 # amiconn: hmm, disabling interrupts didn't work either 23.40.32 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.209.182) 23.40.40 # even after PLL has locked, if we change wait states back to 1, it will crash immediately 23.40.47 # are you sure they are enabled? 23.40.56 Join webguest20 [0] (i=3e41833e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/session) 23.41.10 # preglow: wait states? yes, those should be correct 23.41.18 # jhMikeS: ping 23.41.33 # Slasheri: Uh, but when using 1 waitstate later it does work, provided we don't switch to CPUFREQ_NORMAL during boot? 23.41.33 Quit PaulPosition () 23.41.46 # That doesn't make sense.... 23.41.53 # but if we first put cpu to CPUFREQ_MAX and after that -> CPUFREQ_NORMAL, no crashing with wait states 1 23.42.01 # amiconn: correct 23.42.05 # I think this is a case for a logic analyzer run... 23.42.09 # amiconn: cpu needs to be first at max frequency 23.42.21 # only after that 1 wait state works.. 23.42.44 # preglow: I just read your earlier question earlier about bootloader.img - did you figure it out? 23.42.47 # Lemme check the datasheet again 23.42.49 # linuxstb_: no 23.43.02 # i just ignored it 23.43.41 # It's a ready-to-dd boot partition image with the bootloader but no Apple OS - just dd if=bootloader.img of=/dev/sda1 23.44.15 # ah, like i guessed, then 23.44.21 # Yep. 23.44.35 # do you know where the apple bootloader loads us, btw? 23.44.35 # It's made by scramble. 23.44.39 # start of ram? 23.45.00 # Yes, 0x1000000. 23.45.00 # linuxstb: On ipod it should be possible to build a rockbox.bin which can be put into the firmware partition, correct? 23.46.06 # Yes, I think I tried it successfully. A bit of a pain to upgrade though... 23.46.43 # I think that would be a somewhat convenient method for debugging the G5.5/80GB 23.47.02 # linuxstb_: why is that a pain to upgrade? 23.47.20 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 23.47.49 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 23.47.52 # Kasperle: Having to dd or ipodpatcher every time you wanted to update your Rockbox version? 23.48.24 # duh. i just confused the bootloader and rockbox :/ 23.48.34 # seperates the wheat from the chaff ;) 23.48.41 Join TeaSeaLancs [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.171.213) 23.48.58 # you could later integrate a feature into rockbox, that moves an upgrade file to the firmware partition though 23.49.04 # Yup 23.49.10 # Much like the flashing for rombox, etc. 23.49.34 # One could click a .ipod file and have it Rolo, or choose open with, and "update.rock" it into the boot partition. 23.52.25 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.52.26 Part n1s 23.52.35 Part webguest20 23.52.47 # dan_a: little troube with OF into Rockbox bootloader (again for Sansa) 23.53.02 # what's the problem? 23.53.05 # Slasheri: Hmm, I checked both datasheets again. 23.53.36 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 23.53.39 # i've got a "rockbox error: -4" 23.53.40 # The slowest version of the flash eprom has 90ns /CS access time, 23.53.56 # i know for -1 ut not for this one 23.54.06 # amiconn: there are several versions in use? 23.54.13 # is there a faq for these error messages ? 23.54.13 # and the coldfire read cycle fetches data (1.5+waitstates) bus clock cycles after enabling /CS 23.54.41 # busclk == cpuclk/2, so one bus clock cycle is ~44ns at CPUFREQ_NORMAL 23.54.58 # preglow: Probably not, but I don't know which version is used. 23.55.08 # amiconn: ahh, like that 23.55.13 # oh, so that could be the issue 23.55.15 # habana: I don't think there is a FAQ. Error -4 when you are trying to load the OF means that it couldn't read the whole file. 23.55.17 # 2.5*44 == 110, so we're on the safe side 23.55.32 # ...with 1 waitstate 23.55.40 # ah 23.55.41 # habana: Have you definitely got a /.rockbox/OF.bin file? 23.56.03 # but i will debug more tomorrow, now have to go : 23.56.03 # :) 23.56.04 # dan_a: i have a 6 GB version. let me verify for your answer 23.56.46 # habana: Can you check how much free space you have, too? 23.57.01 # * jhMikeS sees he's been pinged a couple times but has been busy 23.57.14 # dan_a: not a free spaxe trouble 23.57.18 # hi every one 23.57.19 # space 23.57.28 # My_Sic:hello salut 23.57.35 # salut 23.57.57 # when the new version of rockbox will be released ? 23.57.58 # My_Sic: tu as quel lecteur ? 23.58.05 # ipod 5G 60Go 23.58.17 # anciennement j'avai un H120 23.58.21 # My_Sic: What do you mean by "new version"? There are new builds frequently. 23.58.31 # habana: I'm just wondering if you have used more than 4Gb already. 23.58.51 # dan_a: let me reboot