--- Log for 10.12.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 16 hours and 58 minutes ago 00.00.28 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host111-146.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 00.00.37 Quit towelie4365 () 00.01.57 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 00.04.13 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp150-167.adsl.forthnet.gr) 00.04.13 Quit webguest89 (Client Quit) 00.18.09 Join Natalie_GreeCe [0] (n=efdwfrg@ppp17-195.ath.forthnet.gr) 00.19.31 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-155.net-81-220-245.rev.numericable.fr) 00.22.54 Quit Natalie_GreeCe (Client Quit) 00.24.59 Quit Ekron ("Leaving") 00.33.42 Quit mirak (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.42.22 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.47.12 Join AidyMole [0] (n=AidyMole@239.77-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 00.52.25 Quit ender` (" "Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." -- ) 00.54.04 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.06 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.55.15 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-229-67.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 00.55.19 Join corecode [0] (i=corecode@chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de) 00.55.26 # hey yo 00.55.50 # i'd like to know how the status of the archos gmini port is 00.55.55 # dead 00.55.55 # does rockbox build with gcc 4.1.1 yet? 00.56.02 # seems it's dead since over a year 00.56.16 # it was removd from cvs recently 00.56.20 # uh 00.56.21 # so its completly dead 00.56.21 # :/ 00.56.24 # sad 00.56.39 # the xs202 is such a nice and cheap player 00.57.27 # what was the holdup? 00.57.37 # nobody working on it? 00.57.43 # or, too complicated? 00.58.01 # i think none of the current devs had the target 00.58.09 # hey um I don't need g++ to compile rockbox right 00.58.16 # gcc 00.58.49 Quit courtc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.49 # so what's the advice which player to get? sadly barely any supports ogg 00.59.03 # iaudio \o/ 00.59.07 # the x5 is the current "best" iirc 00.59.38 # AidyMole: look here for more info on setting up a build environment http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide#Setup_Your_Environment 00.59.51 # n1s: i'm on that 01.00.09 # but gentoo has a cross compiling toolchain creation utility 01.01.16 # but it seems that the "hard" part was already done 01.01.36 # corecode: if noeone has one, no work can be done 01.01.43 # yah 01.01.46 # i'd get one 01.01.54 # and i would see how i can tackle with it 01.01.59 # the code was removed in a way it is relativly easy to put back in if the port got restatred 01.02.09 # cvs rm i guess 01.02.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.02.51 Join pike2k [0] (i=amiga@c83-249-55-88.bredband.comhem.se) 01.03.11 Nick pike2k is now known as PIKE2K (i=amiga@c83-249-55-88.bredband.comhem.se) 01.03.26 Nick PIKE2K is now known as pike2k (i=amiga@c83-249-55-88.bredband.comhem.se) 01.03.48 # i wonder if there is a reason that the manufaturers don't publish information 01.03.58 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 01.04.14 # so people dont rip off ther designs 01.04.21 # mh 01.04.49 # i mean, not that i insist on rockbox, it would just be nice to be able to play oggs 01.05.26 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.07.35 # __asm__ volatile ("nop"); 01.07.47 # is "nop" a standardized opcode for all architectures? 01.08.59 # sad that i don't have experience with embedded systems 01.09.12 # seems you don't use interrupts to read the hard disk 01.12.50 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 01.13.15 Quit linuxstb_ (Connection timed out) 01.13.28 Quit midkay_ ("*poff*") 01.15.42 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 01.17.04 Quit funky_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.17.21 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 01.17.41 Quit funky (Nick collision from services.) 01.17.51 Nick funky_ is now known as funky (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 01.21.38 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 01.35.31 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.43.14 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-143-238-95-7.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 01.44.30 # anyone out there know anything about gigabeat status? 01.45.54 # its moving sowly 01.46.16 # hmmm 01.46.31 # im in the market for a new DAP is all, and the gigabeat X's look snazzy 01.47.19 # rockbox provides UMS music transfers on all platforms doesnt it? 01.47.25 # yes 01.47.48 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.48.29 # nice... thats the main for me... dont particularly want another h300 or ipod... 01.50.14 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.51.12 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.54.07 # do you or anyone possibly reading know if the gigabeat has UMS music transfer on its original firmware? 01.54.27 # im sure someon knows.... i doubt it 01.56.09 # what's UMS? 01.56.19 # like zune? 01.56.43 # ums = universal mass storage 01.56.50 # like regular usb drives 01.56.51 # ah 01.57.10 # how everything should be done 01.57.21 # yes 01.57.45 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 01.58.12 # god i hate transfering music across through programs like itunes... and organizing your files by ID3 tags 01.58.22 # nasty with compilation cds etc 01.59.34 # fortunately itunes can handle this pretty well 02.02.47 # im not a fan of itunes at all sorry... 02.03.21 # like organizing me music myself with good old files and folders 02.03.25 # my* 02.18.04 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@resnet-237-154.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 02.22.15 Quit Kittt0s (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.22.27 Join bakalegum [0] (n=baka@84.12.76.86) 02.22.44 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@87.68.52.163.cable.012.net.il) 02.25.07 Part bakalegum 02.26.39 # a few months back, i was able to create an ipod bootloader without the apple firmware. 02.26.55 # i seem to remember creating a dummy file for the ipod_fw command 02.27.11 # i need to do it again, but it keeps on failing to boot 02.27.34 # does anyone rememeber how to do this? 02.27.47 # I seem to remember that the dummy file needed to be a minimum size - 512 bytes? 02.28.34 Part n1s 02.28.53 # yes, ive tried that. 02.29.01 # without luck. 02.30.37 Quit newbyx86 (Remote closed the connection) 02.34.55 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 02.37.41 Quit obo ("bye") 02.42.04 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.59.37 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 03.00.54 Join Voriel [0] (i=443ae3f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-57ff9dfa25662be9) 03.01.45 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.02.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.03.43 # Hi. I'm a newbie to Rockbox, and am visually impaired. I wondered if someone would be willing to help me with a problem I'm having trying to make the latest Rockbox daily build speak my directory/filenames as mp3 clips on my Ipod color/photo. I used the Voicebox script, and it appears to have made the *.talk directories, but it won't read them as words, just as numbers or spelling. Can anyone offer any help? 03.06.28 Quit JoeBorn ("please wait, I'm getting the power yanked here") 03.06.41 Part AidyMole 03.08.09 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@222.76.229.178) 03.09.27 Part Voriel 03.11.54 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A82A2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.12.25 Quit roolku () 03.19.31 Quit MrStaticVoid ("leaving") 03.20.29 Quit barrywardell () 03.23.14 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 03.24.36 Join DreamThief0 [0] (n=mathias@p54A845A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.24.48 Nick DreamThief0 is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A845A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.26.11 Quit [sellout] (Connection timed out) 03.26.58 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 03.30.47 Quit DreamThief|off (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.41.17 Quit niskel (Remote closed the connection) 03.49.13 Join Paul_the_Nerd [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 03.49.47 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 03.50.51 Quit funky_ (Client Quit) 03.51.18 Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 03.52.22 Quit funky (Nick collision from services.) 03.52.36 Nick funky_ is now known as funky (n=repulse@84-123-28-183.onocable.ono.com) 04.02.31 Quit Membrillo () 04.11.31 Join yewei [0] (n=yewei@61.171.220.114) 04.12.18 # anyone know the status of the "Dual Boot on Sansa e200"? 04.13.05 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 04.13.48 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 04.14.28 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 04.14.34 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.20.11 Join SimonSelki [0] (n=SimonSel@adsl-69-155-118-184.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) 04.20.57 # Soap, are you there? 04.21.08 # yoyoyo 04.22.55 # Aight, I still don't know why it didn't have tags 04.23.14 # what I just did was transfer all the id3v1.1 tags to id3v2 and it worked 04.23.21 # they are all showing up right 04.23.29 # but it was a peculiar situation 04.23.38 # I have it plugged in right now 04.23.51 # doesn't sound like a Rockbox issue, though. 04.23.58 # What tagger are you using? 04.24.15 # MP3 Tag Tools v1.2 04.24.26 # It's a simple proggie that lets me mass tag 04.24.37 # er, how can I listen to my iPod while I have it plugged in? 04.25.12 # A - you really really need to read, at least browse, the maual. 04.25.23 # I did, several times 04.25.28 # B - eject, disconnect, an let the ipod reboot,. 04.25.49 # C - once you are safely in Rockbox, press and hold the "menu" key while inserting the USB cable. 04.26.08 # I was flipping through just now, I know I saw the answer in the FAQ for sure 04.26.33 # iPod Rockbox has no USB mode of its own, when it detects a USB connection it reboots into Apple's Disk Mode. 04.26.58 # Thanks, there's a lot of little..... wait, really? 04.27.11 # really what? 04.27.17 # so, I can't..... will..... hold on one sec 04.27.30 Join haywire [0] (n=downcast@pool-71-107-13-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.27.35 # i need help 04.27.36 # !! 04.27.46 # It's still charging? 04.27.59 # anyone here good with installing rockbox on 5g video 04.28.03 # This guy is more urgent I guess 04.28.03 # very slowly SimonSelki. 04.28.04 # ive been struggling for hours 04.28.19 # Thank you once again soap 04.28.35 # haywire: Start by detailing what steps you have taken, what error messages you are getting. Details details details. 04.28.43 # It's fully charged, I just don't like wasting the battery 04.29.23 # more likely than not, SimonSelki, your ipod will actually lose charge when running rockbox while plugged into USB. 04.29.38 Join Elara [0] (i=443ae3f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2ce07745834930ba) 04.29.50 # well i went through alot of installation helps. i searched forums at ipodhacks.com. i did everything perfectly and at the end when i have to disconnect my usb from my ipod an error message with a white background comes out saying: Use itunes to restore (also in other languages) 04.30.10 # Then you didn't do everything perfectly. 04.30.45 # do you still have your original, untouched bootloader.bin file? 04.30.45 # is it necessary to use the cmd prompt to install rockbox 04.30.50 # i deleted everything 04.30.53 # im starting over 04.30.56 # The only method I am familiar with is from the command prompt. 04.30.56 # :O 04.31.07 # oh okay. 04.31.18 # Anyone willing to help a Rockbox newbie with, what I'm sure are, some stupid questions? 04.31.18 # ive been reading u can do it without the cmd prompt 04.31.25 # How are you going to start over? Are you going to let itunes wipe your ipod? Or are you going to write back the bootloader.bin file you originally extracted? 04.31.33 # Elara: ask. 04.31.41 # I'll help if I can 04.31.42 # i first let itunes wipe out my ipod. 04.31.47 # and i deleted everything 04.32.11 # i have just reinstalled the bootloader bin 04.32.38 # reboot, haywire, what do you get? 04.32.46 # my ipod? 04.33.12 # yes, reboot your ipod. 04.33.14 # hm. 04.33.17 # any progress on 80 gigs? 04.33.25 # now that you have reinstalled your original bootloader.bin. 04.33.33 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-155.net-81-220-245.rev.numericable.fr) 04.33.45 # myzar: not to the best of my knowledge, check the New Ports forum 04.33.50 # well the reboot is fine now because i already restored my ipod 04.33.56 # it removed all my mp3s,mp4s 04.34.03 # I'm using the 12/28/2006 daily build of Rockbox for my 60GB Ipod color photo. I'm visually impaired, so maybe I'm doing something wrong, or it's not reading something I need to do, but I'm trying to change my background and foreground colors, and can't get it to work. I get into where you can see/highlight the RGB settings, but it won't let me change them. 04.34.18 # ahh, so you didn't manually replace the one file, you let itunes wipe and reinstall the hard way. 04.34.27 # nope 04.34.30 # yeah 04.34.32 # hah 04.35.12 # this is the bootloader im using 04.35.12 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-video.bin 04.35.36 # haywire: You're following the install instructions from the Rockbox wiki? 04.35.53 # Elara: I'm sorry, I don't have my ipod nearby, and I am not familiar enough with that part of the menu to walk you through it without having my ipod in hand. 04.36.09 # im following these directions 04.36.10 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 04.36.28 # Elara: From what I can tell, navigating in Rockbox can be fickle in some of the menues. Use the RWD and FFD buttons to change between R G and B 04.36.41 # and scroll to change the, 04.36.43 # haywire: And you get no error messages on any steps? 04.36.44 # *them 04.36.52 # nope 04.37.01 # haywire: let us follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation together. 04.37.13 # That's how it works on my Nano 04.37.15 # okay 04.37.16 # You tell me each command before you type it in, and I'll say yes or no. 04.37.21 # okay 04.37.28 Join Presence_ [0] (n=presence@c-67-165-196-192.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 04.37.29 # haywire: Finish the steps up to 5, and tell us the sizes of the apple_os.bin and broadcom bin files. 04.37.37 # Or, once you get there with Soap 04.37.48 # anyone know what I need to do to get an ipod photo remote to work? 04.37.56 # well first i made the folder in c: 04.38.02 # c:\rockbox 04.38.19 # Presence: use the stock firmware :( 04.38.26 # haywire ok 04.38.30 # Presence_: Spend a little time reverse engineering the protocol. 04.38.30 # and put the files bootloader-video.bin , ipod_fw, ipodpatcher 04.38.40 # so its not possible? Refuse to use stock, it doesnt bookmark mp3 04.38.42 # haywire: ok 04.38.52 # ok in the cmdprompt 04.38.56 # my ipod is located at: ipodpatcher 1 04.38.56 # paul: Well, I guess I could break out the oscope and probe 04.39.03 # Presence_: It is possible, just not done yet. 04.39.07 # but I know nothing of ipod electronics 04.39.19 # Presence_: IpodLiniux has the protocol documented. 04.39.24 # sure it is..I was just hoping it was already dont :) 04.39.29 # ipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin 04.39.32 # Soap: Not fully, I don't believe. 04.39.33 # good 04.39.34 # thats what i should type in next right? 04.39.40 # yes haywire 04.40.02 # okay at the end it says done 04.40.13 # now this 04.40.14 # ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin 04.40.23 # yes 04.40.24 # Thanks Soap and SimonSelki! My other problem is that I can't seem to get Rockbox to speak directory/file names. I ran the Voicebox script, and it appears to have put the *.talk files out there. I've selected talk .mp3 in the voice menu for both files and directories, but it still just reads folder numbers or spells, no matter how many reboots I do. I'm sure I screwed up somewhere. Does the Voicebox script not 04.40.45 # ok it doesnt say anything after i type that 04.40.53 # ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin 04.40.56 # bbiab 04.40.57 Part Presence_ 04.40.59 Quit funky ("leaving") 04.41.07 # haywire: yes 04.41.13 # Elara: Your message got cut off after "Does the Voicebox script not" because it was too long. 04.41.41 # okay 04.41.45 # it says nothing after that also 04.41.45 # and now 04.41.47 # ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin 04.41.48 # ? 04.41.52 # I just asked, "Does the Voicebox script not work with the Ipod color/photo?" 04.41.53 # Elara: You should check the .talk files, and make sure they are not 0 in size. In fact, if you rename them to .mp3, you should be able to play them in a standard mp3 player to make sure the files themselves are valid. It's possible for the script to fail to create valid files, depending on your computer. 04.42.18 # haywire: yes 04.42.48 # generating firmware image compatible with ipod video 04.43.01 # and now 04.43.04 # ipodpatcher -w 1 rockboot.bin 04.43.07 # ? 04.43.38 # might want to tell Paul_the_Nerd file sizes now, before you write back to the ipod. 04.43.50 # the sizes of my files in rockbox 04.44.03 # oh 04.44.07 # appleosbin and droadcombin 04.44.08 # haywire: What size are the apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin 04.44.08 # apple_os.bin ? 04.44.49 # apple_os(file size: 7,327) 04.45.06 # apple_sw_5g_rcsc size: 4,229 04.45.12 # Thanks Paul_The_Nerd. I'll check them. Should I run the script on the root directory of my Ipod? That's what I did. Plus, my Rockbox DB was created from initializing the iTunes/Ipod DB of the music I'd put on the player with iTunes. Could that potentially cause a problem? 04.45.32 # wow, quite different from mine (relatively) 04.45.37 # -_-- 04.45.38 # Elara: Are you browsing in filetree mode, or database mode? Database mode doesn't use the talk files, I believe. 04.45.40 # =( 04.45.42 # must be the different version of Apple OS. 04.45.50 # Soap: Yeah, shouldn't they both be in the ~5mb to 5.5mb range? 04.46.06 # haywire: How old/new is your iPod, and what size disk is it? 04.46.08 # I have 6.2 and 5 04.46.23 # i bought my ipod about 2 months ago 30gig 04.46.26 # black video ipod 04.46.32 # doh, it is a 5.5 G 04.46.38 # oh 04.46.38 # no. 04.46.40 # !! 04.46.42 # aww 04.46.47 # how can u tell 04.46.50 # if its a 5.5 04.46.53 # age 04.47.15 # It's very very likely a 5.5G, and the firmware sizes plus the problems you're having suggest it is. 04.47.21 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm in Database Mode. The install said to change my setting to that after installation/initialization so that I could browse/search by Artist, genre, etc. 04.47.25 # I'm sorry, I brainfarted, I thought you had a 60 gig video. 04.47.32 # oic 04.48.08 # Good news is that Rockbox is working on the 30GB 5.5gen models. 04.48.13 Part yewei 04.48.15 # aww yess 04.48.15 # Elara: Unfortunately, since the database mode isn't actually directly tied to the filetree, the .talk files aren't actually accessible to it, I believe. At least not at this time, it should be possible in the future. But as it is, if you used iTunes to copy the songs over, it renames the actual filenames anyway. 04.48.20 # how 04.48.21 # haha 04.48.21 # there is a long and complicated forum thread on it in the new ports section. 04.48.25 # Elara: The .talk files will sound like gibberish even if they did work. 04.48.36 # oh 04.48.40 # Soap: It's *mostly* working. It's still buggier than 5Gs. 04.49.00 # Paul_the_Nerd: That was going to be the "bad news" 04.49.03 # Heh 04.49.09 # :O 04.49.23 # actually my goal was to change my theme 04.49.25 # of my opod 04.49.36 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034085070.nb.aliant.net) 04.49.36 # ipod* 04.50.07 # It's probably not worth installing Rockbox just to reskin the iPod. 04.50.08 # good news #2, haywire, is that you have proven yourself more albe to follow directions than some, and should have no problem reading the (boring) new ports thread on the 5.5G. 04.50.24 # oh.. 04.50.33 # thank you 04.50.33 # haha 04.50.50 # haywire: Really, you just need to use a different bootloader.bin file, the installation is pretty much the same. 04.51.04 # You should find instructions in the 5.5G thread fairly quickly 04.51.18 # i found it 04.51.21 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.0 04.51.25 # am i correct? 04.51.33 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.51.52 # Yup 04.52.19 # okay 04.52.25 # i think i can take it from here 04.52.39 # Paul_The_Nerd: Is there anyway that I could remove all the songs that iTunes originally copied over to my iPod, and then re-transfer them without iTunes, so that they didn't get renamed? If I did, is it possible the talk .mp3 feature would work, or should I just leave it on Spell and brush up on my quick word deciphering skills?:-) 04.52.42 # Thank you Soap and Paul_The_Nerd. Your help is greatly appreciated. 04.52.50 # I will idle the channel if anything comes up. 04.53.23 # Elara: that is /possible/ but difficult and limited. 04.53.36 # Elara: Well, the talk feature requires that you're not using the database mode. Which means you'll have to have the file organized on the disk how you want them, so you'd have to create Artist and Album folders (or have a program do so). 04.54.14 # Elara: Your best bet at this time is probably to stick with the spelling unless you're willing to spend some time making sure the files themselves are organized in an accessible manner. 04.54.27 # I just did that today, it was a hell of a mess 04.54.37 # Elara: there is a program called "SharePod", which last time I ran it (about 6 months ago) worked perfectly. A little program which would copy all your music off you ipod, and save the songs in perfectly organized folders and track names based upon the tags. 04.54.56 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.55.19 # Elara: you could use that program to transfer off the music, and create a good folder structure all in one step, then copy the music back over, and use file tree mode instead of database mode. 04.57.16 Part Soap 04.57.31 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 04.57.59 # Paul_The_Nerd: The ipod_fw5.5 download link on that forum doesnt work but the other 2 files do. Should i just use my old ipod_fw 04.58.46 # Well, iTunes has everything organized fairly well, and I'm not referring to inside iTunes. If I go into Windows Explorer, and look at the directory where iTunes, if I were to load it, would pull from, that directory in Windows Explorer is organized by artist, then by album, then by track. Could I just grab that organized directory, NOT using iTunes, and do it that way? 04.59.50 # Elara: sure 05.00.05 # Elara: now I feel silly, didn't mean to make an easy task hard. 05.00.40 # The ipod_fw5.5 download link on that forum doesnt work but the other 2 files do. Should i just use my old ipod_fw 05.00.41 # =) 05.01.20 # LOL I didn't even know if it would work. I'm a noob here. Heck, I don't even know how to remove all the old iTunes copied songs off my Ipod and put the new, non-iTunes stuff on! 05.02.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.03.30 # haywire: See if there's another one later in the thread, but I'm not *wholly* sure it's necessary 05.04.09 # haywire: Unfortunately, I'm not wholly sure it's unnecessary either. 05.04.13 # lol 05.04.15 # its kool 05.05.53 # Ah Ha. I found it. You sir are a genius 05.06.08 # Thanks for the help everyone. I'm off to see if I can implement any of this. Wish me luck! (I'll probably need it. *GRIN*) 05.06.36 # Elara: Good luck. 05.06.44 # YEah 05.06.48 # BEst 05.07.15 # *WAVES* 05.07.32 # Okay, so... 05.07.43 Part Elara 05.07.56 # patches and plugins 05.08.06 # they look extremely difficult 05.08.14 # I'm not a programmer by any means 05.10.20 Quit Phoenix7477 ("Leaving") 05.12.43 # Could not open firmware image file bootpartition.bin 05.12.47 # How can that be 05.12.58 # after this command: 05.13.10 # ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin 05.13.40 Quit JoeBorn ("rebootus maximus") 05.14.06 # oh okay i fixed it 05.14.08 # =) 05.15.38 # How are patches and plugins handled? 05.16.18 # SimonSelki: That's not a very specific question. 05.16.23 # I heard someone say I have to ReMerge the files with... 05.16.24 # Patches and plugins are two drastically different things. 05.16.26 # yeah... sorry 05.16.32 # are they? 05.16.34 # shoot 05.16.41 # Patches are text files containing changes to the source code. You apply a patch to the source code. 05.16.51 # Aha 05.17.11 # Plugins are compiled files that all share the same memory, only one is loaded at a time... some example plugins would be the text viewer, or doom. 05.17.32 # ah, ah, okay 05.17.34 # I see 05.17.37 # great 05.17.58 # can put a plugin in the plugins folder? 05.18.03 # no installing or anything? 05.18.11 # or do I have to initialize 05.18.47 # THANK YOU GOD! I got rockbox working on my 5.5g. Now, to the skin. 05.18.48 # A plugin has to be compiled to the same version of Rockbox as you're currently running. 05.19.25 # ...com.... compiled? 05.19.57 # haywire: congrats man. It's a good feeling, I know it 05.20.12 # When you make the .rock file, it has to be made for a specific type of Rockbox (iPod 5G, H120, or whatnot) plus it has to be within a certain time period, or the plugin version will have changed and it won't work. 05.21.41 # That sounds pretty complicated.... I looked at the working with patches, and it wasn't to descript 05.21.53 # okay, I had a different situation when I installed rockbox 05.21.58 # like, a-typical 05.22.06 # I'm not running windows XP 05.22.27 # I had to do the first part... the MS-DOS part at a friends house 05.22.36 # Paul_The_Nerd: Do i download themes to my rockbox and will it just upload it? 05.22.42 # no 05.22.52 # haywire: I suggest at this point reading the manual 05.23.27 # You have to extract the individual files to their respective parts in the .rockbox file 05.23.41 # Folder I mean, .rockbox folder 05.24.18 # okay, I had to do the MS-DOS part on a friends computer because ipodpatcher would not work on '98 05.24.54 # will I still be able to patch, or am I going to need to use that friends computer everytime I want to update? 05.25.35 # To update you just extract the newest rockbox.zip and copy the contents over. 05.25.42 # No special programs/tools required 05.25.47 # nice 05.26.08 # and to add plugins and patches? 05.26.11 Quit haywire () 05.26.52 # Patches require you learning how to compile 05.27.11 # Where can I get info on that? 05.27.14 # Plugins, in most cases, will too, unless they come with a build of their own. 05.27.33 # SimonSelki: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page 05.27.45 # sure thing man 05.27.48 # I'm so eager to learn 05.34.38 # okay okay 05.34.58 # so compiling doesn't reqiure me to change the bootlog? 05.35.09 # like, I may never have to do that again, right? 05.38.15 Quit TeaSeaLancs (Remote closed the connection) 05.38.25 Quit niskel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.42.59 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@222.76.229.178) 05.43.07 # jhMikeS: sholdnt all the rec_* settings in global_settings be ifdef-out-able on HAVE_RECORDING? 05.44.28 # SimonSelki: The bootloader *shouldn't* need to be changed out unless there's a significant change in the way booting happens. 05.44.42 # It may need to be changed for dual processor support, for example 05.45.57 Join unleet [0] (i=185c8710@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c32e0ce304033f80) 05.46.33 # I need a modification to RockBox for my H10 20gb. Any takers? 05.46.47 # Only small mod. 05.53.40 # JdGordon: I think the whole global_setting needs proper #ifdef-ing. There's lot of stuff not #ifdef-ed out when the member isn't used. Should just follow the settings really. 05.54.15 # yeah, I noticed that, bit of work for anyone that is game 05.54.39 # can I assume all th recording settings are correct in the new patch? 05.55.15 # hmmm...I did add the AIFF encoding but that should be pretty easy to drop into the new scheme. 05.56.23 Quit unleet ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.56.31 # atm I'm working on making the recording buttons petur-mash-proof on the pcm_record end anyway 05.57.06 # So that really strange combinations of presses don't kill everything? 05.57.26 # They really shouldn't have but the pcmrec thread will do everything so it is serialized 05.59.01 # If it still does, something else in another place is insane 05.59.16 Quit mirak (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.00.21 # okay okay okay 06.00.50 # I should be able to compile then 06.01.00 # but if this is how you add patches 06.01.00 # ... 06.01.05 # i'm talking to this guy 06.01.08 # then everytime you update 06.01.23 # who thinks 256 mp3 is higher quality than lossless 06.01.26 # your patches will be removed, right? 06.01.33 # not me 06.01.36 # That's why it's called lossless 06.01.43 # i've explained that 06.01.52 # hah 06.02.01 # [15:55:51] - when you convert around mp3 etc, info is lost 06.02.01 # [15:57:49] mate it's fine by the time it's all processed to come out the speakers the quality is higher than CD anyways 06.02.01 # [15:58:49] ... 06.02.01 DBUG Enqueued KICK daurn 06.02.01 # [15:58:52] thats impossible 06.02.02 # [15:59:10] no it's not 06.02.02 *** Alert Mode level 1 06.02.02 # [15:59:18] not when you know how to do it 06.02.04 # well, the file sizes are a lot larger 06.02.09 # that should be enough 06.02.27 # hahahaha 06.02.46 # Okay, I think maybe this guy has never heard real music 06.02.57 # and, like people who watch too much TV 06.03.12 # [15:59:54] you LOOSE quality when you convert to anything but lossless 06.03.13 # [15:59:58] it can NEVER be regained 06.03.13 # [16:00:30] if you wish to believe that go ahead, i wont force my experience onto you 06.03.30 # haha 06.03.52 # they think that the images on TV look more realistic than the images taken by better cameras 06.04.00 # hahahaha 06.04.02 # that's so rediculous 06.04.05 # Man 06.04.10 # Can Rockbox read flacs? 06.04.11 # I think he's confusing "I like it better" with "Objectively better" 06.04.16 # yeah 06.04.17 # Yeah, Rockbox supports FLAC. 06.04.23 # !!!! 06.04.30 # AHG! 06.04.30 # Man 06.04.33 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 06.04.33 # * Paul_the_Nerd strongly suggests a glance at the manual. 06.04.39 # This thing keeps getting better and better 06.04.41 # yeah 06.04.44 # I know 06.04.50 # I guess I skimmed 06.04.58 # or maybe I just didn't believe it when I read it 06.05.10 # Paul_the_Nerd: does rockbox support wavpack hybrid? 06.05.43 # daurn: No, wavpack lossy or lossless, but not hybrid mode. 06.05.48 # It'll just play the lossy file. 06.06.22 # could that be.... fixed? 06.06.32 # daurn: anything can be 06.06.37 # It's in the "Not easy(TM)" category though 06.06.59 Join jbuchanan09 [0] (n=jbuchana@dorm-54.subnet-195.amherst.edu) 06.07.15 # Or wavpack support was mostly implement by David Bryant, and he's pretty much said it's unlikely to happen. 06.07.22 # *Our 06.08.29 # Okay, I was right about compiling though? 06.08.42 # If I update, all the patches I have installed will be wiped? 06.09.11 # no 06.09.12 # JdGordon: hey, gigabeat progress isn't going *that* slowly :) 06.09.21 # markun: :) great 06.09.30 # I just use slowly as the default answer :D 06.10.16 # SimonSelki: If you overwrite your build with an unpatched build, yes, they'll be gone. But if you use CVS properly, you'll be compiling patched builds every time, anyway 06.10.23 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-143-238-95-7.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 06.10.32 # hi Membrillo 06.10.56 # just buy the Gigabeat X, the port is nearing completion 06.11.04 # I thought so, this just means that I need to keep all the patches I install, so I can put them into the next update 06.11.05 # * jhMikeS thinks he got his first ever recording skip but isn't sure cause radio broadcasts can be glitchy at the source *investigating* 06.11.25 # umm.. congrats jhMikeS :D 06.11.55 # Membrillo: the original firmware does have UMS mode, but will not play any songs transfered in that mode ;) 06.11.56 # SimonSelki: If you use CVS right, you don't have to reuse the patches. 06.12.03 *** Alert Mode OFF 06.12.22 # SimonSelki: It'll automatically merge the patches you've installed with the newer sourcecode when you tell it to update, then you run the compile command again, and that's that. 06.12.46 # ahhh thanks 06.12.51 # I read that CVS was lesser suggested 06.12.56 # gotcha... so like the ipod UMS mode 06.12.57 # than the Daily Build 06.13.17 # JdGordon: I've had false alarms from naughty words being censored before 06.13.20 # so the gigabeat build is being worked on? 06.13.23 # SimonSelki: paul means if you update your source and compile it youself you wont have to reapply patches 06.13.43 # but if there are conflicts then you will have _fun_ fixing them 06.13.46 # SimonSelki: Well, I'm referring to the tool CVS, not the "CVS builds", but I'm curious who told you CVS was lesser suggested. 06.14.00 # Membrillo: yes, all the time. But we work on a seperate tree which we will merge back soon. 06.14.02 # That's what I thought, I'm not all down with the lingo here 06.14.07 # I read it in a few places 06.14.15 # SimonSelki: We generally try to make sure people know that the Daily Build is just a CVS build from a certain time each day. They really simply exist as an archive. 06.14.21 # including the highly referred to manual 06.14.26 # Membrillo: visit #gigabeat some time for more info 06.14.30 # ah 06.14.37 # SimonSelki: Could you point out where in the manual it says you should use the Daily over the CVS? 06.14.42 # I'd be awful surprised if it says that 06.14.50 # Yeah 06.14.55 # oh ok, will do... thanks 06.15.14 # would you advise buying a gigabeat? good dap? 06.15.23 # does it have line in recording? 06.15.27 # no 06.15.31 # and no radio 06.15.53 # one more question if that's alright 06.16.07 # dang... thats a bit rough... not much has line in these days though i guess 06.16.11 Quit jbuchanan09 (Remote closed the connection) 06.16.13 # I'm on the Patches page right now. Why are some showing as pink and others kinda beige? 06.16.24 # Membrillo: it doesn't record at all 06.16.44 # SimonSelki: That pretty much depends on what people have set the severity at. 06.16.52 # yeah fair enough... so what does it have on its positive side? 06.17.22 # looks like a bad edit on the stations part :\ 06.17.35 # very nice 320x240 color screen + 300MHz ARM9 06.18.27 # Ah, I see 06.18.48 # I was hoping it had to do with whether or not the patches could still be used or not 06.19.21 # since the files that the patches modify get updated, they do stop working after some time, right? 06.19.41 # Yup 06.19.54 # In fact, I'd say the vast majority of patches on there will require at least some tinkering to get them working 06.20.05 Quit bawb2 (Remote closed the connection) 06.20.07 Quit sando (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.20.24 # damn damn 06.20.55 # okay, this was all I could find on the website 06.20.57 # er 06.21.00 # manual I mean 06.21.07 # It was also somewhere else 06.21.36 # CVS Build (formerly, “Bleeding Edge Build.”) CVS stands for “Concurrent Versions 06.21.36 # System.” CVS is the system that Rockbox developers use to keep track of changes 06.21.36 # to the Rockbox source code. CVS builds are made automatically every time there 06.21.36 DBUG Enqueued KICK SimonSelki 06.21.36 # is a change to the Rockbox source. These builds are for people who want to test 06.21.36 # the code that developers just checked in. 06.21.36 *** Alert Mode level 1 06.21.36 # CVS Build (formerly, “Bleeding Edge Build.”) CVS stands for “Concurrent Versions 06.21.38 # System.” CVS is the system that Rockbox developers use to keep track of changes 06.21.40 # to the Rockbox source code. CVS builds are made automatically every time there 06.21.42 # is a change to the Rockbox source. These builds are for people who want to test 06.21.44 # CVS Build (formerly, “Bleeding Edge Build.”) CVS stands for “Concurrent Versions 06.21.46 # System.” CVS is the system that Rockbox developers use to keep track of changes 06.21.48 # to the Rockbox source code. CVS builds are made automatically every time there 06.21.50 # is a change to the Rockbox source. These builds are for people who want to test 06.21.53 # the code that developers just checked in. 06.21.54 # erm 06.21.56 # The last few lines mean not me 06.22.05 # Is there some reason you pasted it several times? 06.22.25 # And none of that says anything about the daily builds being better 06.22.50 # did I? 06.22.53 # If you are new to Rockbox I would recommend downloading the Daily Build, because the Bleeding Edge build could contain bugs that the Developers are not aware of yet. 06.23.04 # That's not from the manual. 06.23.11 # right 06.23.15 # you were right 06.23.17 # As well, whoever said that doesn't know what they're talking about. 06.23.30 # The daily build is *exactly* the same as the last CVS build before a certain time. 06.23.32 # I read those two things and I guess summerized em both 06.23.45 # The daily build is a CVS build that is made once a day, as opposed to every update. 06.24.02 # Hmm 06.24.04 # Which means that the bugs in the daily build are there for 24 hours, whereas major bugs that make it into CVS builds are usually gone by the next one. 06.24.14 # huh 06.24.19 # Which, if the bug was triggered by a typo, can be less than 10 minutes 06.24.19 # Man 06.24.20 # Cool 06.24.35 # Thanks for clearing that up for me 06.25.05 # The only reason not to use a CVS build is if there's a specific bug in the current one, and you want to use a daily build from before that bug was introduced, really. 06.26.10 # I see 06.26.30 # Okay, I'm going to try to install Cygwin 06.26.45 # but before I do,... 06.27.14 # Is it even going to be worth it if I can't use the patch? 06.27.44 # I mean, if the patch doesn't work anymore 06.28.04 # the particular patch I was looking at has like 7 files up to download, I have no idea where to start 06.28.19 # what patch? 06.29.37 # It's the one that allows you to edit tags 06.29.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1008 06.29.45 # something I would love to do 06.29.59 # I also need the one for iPod Batter Guage 06.31.11 # ah, nevermind 06.31.16 # it says it doesn't apply 06.31.37 *** Alert Mode OFF 06.45.56 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@222.76.229.178) 06.47.44 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.49.06 Quit Membrillo () 06.50.11 Part Paul_the_Nerd 06.52.29 Join Phoenix7477 [0] (n=matt@d142-179-136-166.abhsia.telus.net) 06.58.36 Join HugoChavez [0] (n=joakim@ip5653aada.direct-adsl.nl) 06.59.09 # installing rockbox on my ipod video, but it says this after compiling the firmware image 06.59.12 # "Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo/color..." 06.59.28 # should it do that? and not say it's compatible with 5g/video? 07.02.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.02.44 # nm, forgot to change nano to video.. :) 07.13.11 Quit myzar (Remote closed the connection) 07.14.11 Join myzar [0] (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 07.14.51 Quit myzar (Remote closed the connection) 07.15.52 Join myzar|away [0] (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 07.16.17 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 07.17.09 Quit myzar|away (Remote closed the connection) 07.18.12 Join myzar|away [0] (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 07.19.31 Quit myzar|away (Remote closed the connection) 07.19.33 Part HugoChavez ("iViva!") 07.20.33 Join myzar|away [0] (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 07.21.56 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 07.27.06 Quit myzar (Remote closed the connection) 07.28.04 Join myzar|away [0] (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 07.28.41 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 07.37.58 Join retry [0] (i=inmyark@netblock-68-183-203-199.dslextreme.com) 07.38.02 # greetings 07.38.22 # my friend is attempting to use ipodcatcher to probe for his ipod on a windows2k machine 07.38.25 # but he just gets errors 07.38.48 # Error reading disk gemoetry: Incorrect function. 07.38.57 # Error reading disk gemoetry: The network request is not supported. 07.39.06 # Error opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified 07.39.29 # that last one continues ever after 07.39.41 # anybody have any ideas? 07.39.56 # not getting any results from the forums really 07.44.44 # does he get those errors when the ipod's not attached? 07.46.19 # not sure 07.46.22 # I'll ask him 07.46.59 # I wish I could do this directly myself 07.47.06 # but it's his ipod and we're in different states 07.47.51 # let's assume the errors are the same with the ipod not attached 07.47.55 # what would this imply? 07.48.03 # that ipodcatcher can't find the player connected? 07.48.14 # how would that be corrected then? 07.49.03 # the answer was yes 07.49.08 # same errors disconnected 07.49.23 # manual disk mode might be worth a shot huh? 07.50.38 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.51.54 # ok he tried to manually set it to disk mode 07.51.58 # and that didn't seem to help any 07.52.04 # any more ideas? 07.52.13 # this is a 1st gen nano btw 08.09.12 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 08.13.45 # well, it means ipodcatcher is hosed then 08.13.52 # it's getting stuck on other hardware or something 08.14.07 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 08.25.13 # hmm 08.25.26 # seems unlikely since you specify the usb device to check as an arg 08.25.44 # i think he's probably failing to get the thing into disk mode or something 08.25.54 # win2k... could be a permissions issue 08.28.53 # hmm 08.29.00 # i think he's running as an administrator 08.29.16 # Ill ask 08.29.23 # it's a worthy checking point 08.33.39 Join firenx [0] (n=firenx@d207-216-3-109.bchsia.telus.net) 08.35.20 # hey is there a good way to wipe your ipod and start from scratch? 08.36.56 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com) 08.41.13 # hammer and $200 08.41.21 # doesn't get more scratch then that 08.41.23 # hehe 08.41.24 # laters 08.41.26 Part retry 08.44.44 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host149-126.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 08.46.53 Join terriblyinept [0] (n=energy_O@74.130.10.182) 08.47.11 # If anyone is about and wants to talk Rockbox, talk away. 08.58.12 Part terriblyinept 09.02.09 Join monk [0] (n=holla@38.100.216.252) 09.02.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.02.45 # having problems installing the bootloader to a 1st gen nano. can anyone help me troubleshoot? :) 09.07.36 # good morning :D 09.08.35 # i can give it a shot, i have a 1st gen nano myself 09.11.11 # excellent, thanks. 09.11.48 # i downloaded the faq, which directed me to the required downloads, got those. 09.12.17 # hooked up my nano, tried to run ipodpatcher and got a series of errors. 09.12.52 # your running windows? and which errors in perticular? 09.12.54 # Error reading disk geometry: Incorrect function. 09.12.58 # yea, 2k. 09.12.59 # hmm 09.13.14 # i followed the directions to put the ipod into drive mode 09.13.22 # and now it's completely responsive 09.13.28 # the apple logo slowly blinks 09.13.38 # i've tried resetting 09.13.49 # it doesn't register as a drive 09.13.52 # hmm 09.13.57 # i.e., i can't access it 09.14.05 # sounds like the partition got clobbered somehow 09.14.32 # have you tried restoring the ipod with itunes or the equivilant apple updater? 09.15.26 # also, what exactly did you do when trying to install rockbox? 09.15.30 # well, that's my next question. is it possible to restore it without itunes. i, er, prematurely uninstalled it. i was optimistic about rockbox. :/ 09.15.49 # i unpacked the zip file on my C: drive 09.16.06 # i then downloaded the files mentioned in the manual 09.16.09 # should be able to restore it if you followed the right commands 09.16.17 # and tried to run ipodpatcher 09.16.20 # you have bootpartition.bin? 09.16.51 # no.. i have a bootloader-nano.bin 09.18.32 # hmm 09.19.06 # which manual were you looking at? mine says you need to extract bootpartition.bin to get working firmware 09.19.09 # i'm basically following the manueal directions beginning with installing the bootloader 09.19.23 # i've tried all of those steps up to running ipodpatcher 09.20.00 # rockbox-ipodnano-20061210.pdf 09.20.54 # ok 09.21.06 # so you ran ipotpatcher and found the correct number to access the ipod 09.21.21 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.21.21 # * Phoenix7477 is just going to step through them with you to find out where it failed 09.21.24 # no.. i ran ipodpatcher and i got the error i pasted earlier. 09.21.53 # ipodpatcher 0? 09.22.07 # i tried ipodpatcher 0-5 09.22.18 # i received a total of 3 errors 09.22.27 # sec, i'll paste the other two. 09.22.32 # k 09.23.37 # Error opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified. 09.23.43 # i'm sorry, there were only two errors. 09.23.49 # ok 09.23.52 # the first one i posted and that one. 09.23.58 # in that order, beginning with 0 09.23.59 # makes sense 09.24.20 # and one of them ended up giving you partition table information, like in the manual? 09.24.36 Quit daurn (Client Quit) 09.25.02 # no, 0 gives me the first error and all subsequent numbers give me the latter message. 09.25.11 # and none of them seem to work 09.25.18 # i don't get anything that looks like the manual 09.25.47 # when you unplug your ipod, it still works? 09.26.23 # it's unresponsive at the moment. the apple logo slowly blinks. 09.26.23 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 09.26.28 # it does this whether i have it connected or not 09.26.44 # it didn't do this until i followed the directions for putting it into drive mode 09.26.49 # hmm 09.27.00 # i'm not certain how i borked it 09.28.10 # what exactly is drive mode? im not seeing it in the manual 09.28.23 # let me check, maybe i misspeak. 09.29.56 # ok, beginning of section 2: installation 09.30.06 # the entry for usb connection 09.30.36 # oh, ok 09.30.41 # i see what you mean 09.31.06 # try disconnecting it, and doing a reset. menu-select and see if it will boot up 09.31.36 # i've tried serveral resets 09.31.54 # either i'm making a dumb mistake or it's borked 09.31.57 # the apple logo just keeps blinking? 09.32.01 # yea 09.32.05 # i can make it turn off for a few seconds 09.32.09 # then it starts blinking again 09.32.10 # (sorry for all the questions, just trying to get a good idea of whats going on in my head) 09.32.21 # no, thanks for helping 09.32.30 # ask as many questions as is necessary 09.32.33 # cool 09.32.53 # let me try another reset. one moment. 09.32.56 # ok, so it was working, then you did ipodpatcher 0 through 5, and it started doing that? 09.33.17 # no, it started doing that when i tried to put it into drive mode. 09.33.26 # er 09.33.27 # yea 09.33.40 # i don't think the ipodcatcher did anything 09.33.47 # i just got failure and errors 09.33.53 # er 09.33.57 # ipodpatcher* :) 09.34.03 # yeah, it doesn't sound like ipodcatcher wrote anything, but its not working so umm lol 09.34.06 # jhMikeS: around? 09.36.11 # ok, try power it down and powering it back on. press and hold play for about 5 seconds or so and it should power itself down 09.36.18 # then press select and it should boot back up again 09.36.43 # it refuses to power down 09.37.05 # it looks as if it's continuously resetting 09.37.26 # yeah, thats what im thinking 09.37.45 # it sounds like a bug in the apple firmware, but im not sure (don't work for apple) 09.38.02 # if nothing was written to it, then theres no reason why it should be doing that 09.38.11 # the buttons aren't stuck right? lol 09.38.24 # hah no :) 09.38.28 # hrm 09.39.04 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 09.39.34 # need to find a way to power it off 09.40.11 # * Phoenix7477 checks apple docs 09.40.33 # http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61705 09.40.48 # * monk checks 09.41.09 # monk: May it be that you have a charger connected when you try to power down? 09.42.17 # amiconn: i tried disconnecting it. still continuosly resets. 09.42.23 # i imagine if i let it run it would drain the battery 09.42.44 # The ipod won't power down with a charger or usb or firewire connected 09.43.26 # yea, it's sitting alone disconnected on my shelf. 09.43.32 # blinking merrily. 09.43.40 # ipod seizure heh 09.43.51 # it's throwing its own little rave 09.44.04 # i'm reconnecting it to save the battery 09.45.06 # did the apple doc help? 09.46.26 # reading 09.48.37 # yea, i tried the steps to reset it. 09.48.42 # it's unresonponsive 09.48.56 # i'm going to break down and reinstall itunes 09.49.17 # ugh what a pain in the ass 09.49.21 # worth a try 09.49.22 # also: 09.49.24 # http://weblogs.asp.net/lhunt/archive/2006/08/30/Fix-for-iPod-Nano-that-resets-over-and-over_2E002E002E00_.aspx 09.49.36 # oh now that looks promising 09.49.48 # brb 09.56.55 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 09.58.37 Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) 10.10.41 Join jba_ [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 10.12.40 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 10.14.15 # phoenix it worked :) 10.14.20 # at least it's no longer resetting 10.15.32 Join jba___ [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 10.15.46 # ah, now i'm getting three different errors when i run ipodpatcher.exe 10.16.51 # 1) Error reading disk geometry: Incorrect function 2) Error reading disk geometry: The network request is not supported 3) Error opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified. 10.16.58 # in that order from 0-2 10.17.53 # This is ipodpatcher on win2k? 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This is necessary for ipodpatcher. 10.18.50 # yea amiconn 10.18.54 # logged in as admin on 2k 10.27.58 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 10.28.10 # i'm stumped 10.30.00 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.31.21 Quit jba_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.31.23 Join bluebrother [0] (i=OEJllEzp@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.31.34 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.33.16 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 10.35.22 Quit Ribs (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.41.12 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 10.43.00 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.45.59 Quit jba___ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.51.20 Quit monk () 10.53.44 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@spynet.sm.chereda.net) 11.02.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.10.39 Join Bertrix [0] (n=bertold@d54C46BEB.access.telenet.be) 11.11.11 # hi 11.12.09 # hi 11.12.33 # * linuxstb hopes monk returns... 11.12.35 # sorry for the nooby question, ogg playback crashes on an iPod nano v1, what could cause this? 11.12.51 # very old ogs 11.12.55 # oggs 11.12.57 # old? 11.13.02 # just made them with oggenc? 11.13.12 # Does _every_ ogg file crash? 11.13.18 # yes, every file 11.13.28 # With what error? 11.13.30 # but i just made them in a batch process, so they are pretty much te same 11.13.33 # hard crash 11.13.40 # nu ero, backlight styays on and reboot needed 11.14.14 # Do other types of music play OK? 11.14.25 # wav and mp3 work fine 11.14.50 # Bertrix: What version of oggenc do you use? 11.14.53 # * amiconn wonders whether it's possible to tag WAV files 11.15.02 # Some riff info chunk type, perhaps? 11.15.28 # I've never heard of any WAV tagging system. 11.15.40 # i selected a wav from file browser 11.15.47 # oggenc version, 1 sec 11.15.57 # OggEnc v1.0.2 11.18.03 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 11.18.05 # Isn't id3 supposed to be capable of tagging everything? 11.18.09 # Bertrix: Two things to try first are: 1) Reset the settings in Rockbox (turn the hold switch on as Rockbox is booting); and 2) Delete the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod file and unzip rockbox.zip again. 11.18.11 # id3v2 that is 11.18.19 # i have already done that 11.18.36 # even created a new filesystem on my nano, just to be sure everything was wiped 11.19.32 # Bertrix: Try a newre version of oggenc from here http://www.rarewares.org/ogg.html 11.20.02 # when i select the file, the playing screen comes up, all timers saying 0:00, headphones click, crashed 11.20.08 # thanks nls, will take look 11.20.26 # Bertrix: Is there anything unusual about the input files? (samplerate, mono, etc)? 11.21.03 # first it were mp3's which lame recoded to wav, and then oggenc made to ogg, different sample rates, stereo/mono(most stereo, but mono crashes as well) 11.21.08 # they all crash 11.21.51 # You could also try an older version of Rockbox. Versions from the last 30 days are here: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodnano It would be useful to know which version broke it (assuming Rockbox could ever play your files). 11.21.55 # So they're not 44.1KHz? 11.22.42 # i'll try one which is 11.23.22 # strange! 11.23.27 # the 44.1 would play 11.23.31 # and now they ALL play 11.24.08 Quit markun (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.24.55 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 11.25.19 # it seems fixed, even after a reboot 11.25.21 # :?? 11.25.29 # magic! 11.25.34 # indeed 11.25.35 # Odd... Try powering down. 11.25.41 # i just did 11.25.42 # still works 11.26.16 # Bertrix: If you do work out how to recreate it, can you try Rockbox from 25th November? There were some changes to the resampling code on the 26th which may be the cause of the problems. 11.26.45 # ok 11.27.49 Nick Ribs2 is now known as Ribs (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 11.34.12 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC") 11.35.46 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 11.36.50 Join pike^lapt [0] (i=amiga@c83-249-55-88.bredband.comhem.se) 11.38.04 # Hey, is it only possible to tag Mp3s? 11.38.16 # id3v2 can tag anything cant it? 11.38.17 # no 11.38.33 # probably nut most players won't like it 11.38.37 # but 11.39.08 # most containers have their own tags 11.39.31 # like oggs have vorbis comments etc. 11.42.53 # I have never used oggs 11.43.13 # Mp3s WMAs FLACs 11.43.18 # only 11.45.25 # FLAC rocks 11.45.28 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEED3F.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.45.55 Join rasher_ [0] (n=rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 11.46.17 Part rasher_ 11.53.44 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.55.08 Quit pike2k (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.57.42 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 12.16.27 # ey need rockbox a mirror? 12.17.17 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-229-67.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 12.19.24 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@143.238.95.7) 12.20.08 # daky: I don't think so, but we always need build servers: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer 12.20.20 Quit God__Eater (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.21.15 # okay =) 12.22.15 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.26.00 Join God__Eater [0] (n=kate_sho@host-84-9-130-142.bulldogdsl.com) 12.28.47 Quit Ribs (Remote closed the connection) 12.29.01 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 12.29.13 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 12.30.55 # my h300 died a while back so im not up to date at all on all things rockbox... hows the iriver port going? has video ended up working? 12.31.06 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 12.33.16 # hmm 12.33.50 # Membrillo: Video on H300 works at about 16-18fps but with no sound atm 12.34.09 # MPEG-1/MPEG-2 streams that is 12.34.47 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@156.80-202-167.nextgentel.com) 12.35.03 Join jba_ [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 12.37.59 # quite night tonight? 12.39.13 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 12.40.50 # so ttf rendering is slow, but aren't some of the devices atm fast enough tto handle true type fonts now? 12.41.42 # jba_: maybe but is that what you want to use battery power for? 12.42.21 # true that 12.42.40 Quit Rondom (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.42.51 # it's just that the gigabeat's screen is such a higher res than other targets 12.42.57 # most of the nice fonts are too small 12.43.02 # It's the same as the ipod video 12.43.06 # jba_: the ipod video has the same res 12.43.11 # true type, does that mean anti-aliased fonts? 12.43.15 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-153-230.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 12.43.19 Part MadDog011 12.43.22 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 12.43.41 # Membrillo, not necessarily no 12.43.45 # manily scalable fonts 12.44.26 # Isn't anti-aliased used for proper scaling? 12.44.42 # ahhh i understand... does rockbox support anti-aliasing of fonts yet? on any platforms? 12.44.43 # the battery indicator and volume metre appear too small also 12.44.56 # Membrillo: no 12.45.10 # or is it still 2 tone grayscale 12.45.18 # Genre9mp3, anit-aliasing is the process of shading in the areas between pixels with blended colors to make them appear more rounded, i.e. less aliased (roughly speaking) 12.45.19 # monotone* is the appropriate term sorry 12.45.22 # ahhh ok 12.45.23 # jba_: Yes, that's a problem on all the larger LCDs - the same icons are used on every bitmapped LCD Rockbox supports. 12.46.06 # jba_: I know, but scaling fonts with no anti-aliasing is not a good idea... that was my original point actually 12.46.22 # if they are just rasterised icons it should be simple to scale them (volume and battery metre) 12.46.35 # Genre9mp3: is that because it will look all 'blocky'? 12.46.38 # and pixelated? 12.46.57 # yes... mostly on small sizes 12.47.00 # Genre9mp3, the whole point of tte is that the vector of the glyph is used and so scaling isn't a problem 12.47.07 # ttf 12.47.18 # like postscript 12.47.40 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966A38.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.48.21 Quit JoeyBorn ("goin' home (well sort of home anyway)") 12.48.24 # jba_: It will be ugly without anti-aliasing IMO 12.49.53 # But anyway, as n1s mentioned ttf is not a good idea for Rockbox in general 12.49.59 # Genre9mp3: You mean large fonts are ugly? Whether they are generated on the fly from .ttf files, or pre-generated (as they are now), makes no difference. 12.50.01 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.50.03 # yeah i see his points 12.50.49 # linuxstb: I'm not quite sure what are you trying to say there 12.51.07 # Genre9mp3: I'm not sure what you're saying... 12.51.07 # Genre9mp3, i think you are confused about ttf 12.51.19 # jba_: perhaps 12.51.41 # linuxstb, anyhow i guess what I was tending towards was perhaps more larger generated fonts of the nicer ones, like helv 20 or something 12.52.13 # how about creating a second fonts package with large fonts? 12.52.18 # Fonts aren't "scaled" as such. They are rendered as bitmaps based on the vectors in the .ttf file. Currently Rockbox does this in advance at a fixed size. Adding .ttf support to Rockbox would mean that Rockbox would render them on-target at varying sizes. 12.52.54 # linuxstb: I understand you now... thanks for clarifying that 12.53.13 # linuxstb, exactly, but as n1s pointed out it wouldn't be good for battery life 12.53.35 # jba_: Yes, I'm not suggesting we add it. 12.54.14 # anyhow, yeah it would be nive to have some more prettier fonts pre-generated in larger size 12.54.28 # linuxstb, any reason why we don't use bitstream vera sans? i quite like it 12.54.33 # aren't there pretty fonts at rashers site? 12.54.42 # rashers site? 12.54.52 # http://www.rasher.dk (I think) 12.55.08 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ 12.55.12 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ 12.55.15 # :) 12.55.19 # hehe 12.56.04 # pre-rendering the fonts seems logical... i would rather download a font package than waste battery life rendering fonts on-the-fly 12.57.02 # jba_: I think everyone agrees Rockbox's fonts need work. But I'm not sure what's needed for a font to be added to CVS... 12.57.11 # * bluebrother was too slow as he just looked at that site himself ;-) 12.57.41 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDE2B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.57.47 # Prerendered anti-aliased fonts? Anyone? 12.57.49 # * aliask runs 12.57.53 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.76 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 12.58.14 # god damne everyone is hitting the site now, making it very slow 12.58.14 # is there any reason against not using the xorg fonts? 12.58.18 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 12.58.22 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp199-234.adsl.forthnet.gr) 12.58.32 # xorg fonts? 12.58.48 # yes. The fonts rasher builds are from the xorg distribution 12.59.06 # http://www.x.org 12.59.21 # could each character be pre-rendered and stored as a bitmap or jpeg and ran from cache memory or something? then anti-aliasing wouldnt be a problem 12.59.52 # Anti-aliasing requires alpha-blending with the current background. 13.00.02 # ahhh good point 13.00.18 # ive still got my mind in monotone and simple transparency 13.00.24 # bluebrother: You mean include them in the fonts pack? 13.00.53 # hmm, maybe just providing them as a separate fonts package 13.00.58 Quit Membrillo () 13.01.21 # so new users can find them more easily 13.02.43 # since the fonts package is seperate now from builds, why have multiple fonts packs? 13.02.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.03.01 # because the fonts in the current package are in rockbox cvs 13.03.17 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.03.38 # then again... there are too many fonts in rasher's site... this will bloat the package 13.03.52 # and because a lot of users (i.e. those with smaller displays) don't have the need for huge fonts 13.04.10 # sure, it would need someone to pick the "best" 13.04.19 # whatever "best" is in that domain. 13.07.36 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.07.40 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp11-101.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.09.53 # anyone know a good gui program to rip cds to flac/ogg/mp3? im too tired for cli 13.10.35 Quit Everybody (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.10.51 # dw, kde has a nice one installed by default 13.11.34 Quit jba_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.13.12 # JdGordon: If you're using KDE, the easiest thing to do is to use Konqueror. Browse to audiocd:/ and it should have directories for at least MP3s 13.13.49 # JdGordon: I use grip. Make sure you don't enable id3 tags for flac/ogg though. 13.15.13 # ta 13.15.45 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 13.17.00 Quit Bertrix (Remote closed the connection) 13.21.24 Join Gnelik41 [0] (n=Miranda@spynet.sm.chereda.net) 13.29.16 Quit jba (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.38.27 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 13.38.29 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=xavier@ppp202-67.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.40.48 # * JdGordon needs another cdrom in my comp 13.43.09 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD75FD.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.43.15 Join Everybody|away [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 13.43.23 # hahaha already |away 13.43.24 # bye :p 13.43.45 # must you go so soon? 13.45.57 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.47.51 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.48.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp119-213.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.50.04 # is there a reason that alot of variables in global_settings are not #ifdefed? 13.54.43 Quit gromit` (SendQ exceeded) 13.57.55 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.195.175) 13.58.25 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-813e3e01d50e11e1) 14.00.18 Quit XavierGr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.08.40 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 14.16.59 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.17.55 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd75fd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-282f96509ed5a807) 14.21.14 Quit God__Eater (Remote closed the connection) 14.26.00 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.42.26 Join lachlan [0] (i=cbce726a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b4b7f134cbd51b29) 14.42.50 Quit lachlan (Client Quit) 14.47.08 Join DivinuZ [0] (n=nono@c-9c59e455.015-29-756d651.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 14.48.12 # hi all, what is a good app for managing musictransfers to an ipod with rockbox? 14.48.31 # rsync(1) 14.48.53 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 14.49.02 # in a pinch, cp or copy.exe will do 14.49.32 # I don't beleve rsync exists for windows? 14.49.34 # DivinuZ: Windows Explorer 14.49.44 # I've used rsync on windows before 14.49.47 # DivinuZ:Why not? 14.49.57 # really sophisticated users might consider using unison (http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/) 14.50.30 # well, because I am uninformed :P 14.52.02 # if i restore ipod to factory settings, will it delete all the content i have (not the songs on the itunes, the regular files or music i have on it) 14.52.11 # so you guys just copy and paste your music? It doesn't matter where on the ipod I put it? 14.52.35 # Kitt0s: Yes, that's the definition of "restore to factory settings"... 14.52.55 # DivinuZ: Exactly. 14.53.18 # you can't put the music in any of the ipod special folders like iPod_control 14.53.38 Quit Ribs (Remote closed the connection) 14.53.41 # right, thanks 14.54.25 # what if itunes does not recordnize my ipod 15.02.34 # linuxstb? 15.02.42 Join JoeBorn [0] (i=rootmeis@59.61.29.208) 15.02.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.03.01 # Kitt0s: Sorry, I don't know, I don't use itunes. 15.03.08 # :\ 15.05.20 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A845A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.07.18 # Does anyone have a charger or usb cable for a Samsung YH-920 that they would be willing to lend or sell? I don't think it should be too difficult to get Rockbox working on this... 15.08.22 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 15.12.38 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A379.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.13.05 # Is it another portalplayer device? 15.14.38 # Yes, with .mi4 firmware. And a codec which has a datasheet available 15.14.45 # is there a way to restore ipod factory settings without itunes? 15.15.12 # dan_a: Only potential problem is likely to be the LCD then. That's stopping my half-hearted Elio port... 15.15.30 # Kitt0s: What's the problem? Why do you need to restore? 15.15.37 # Kitt0s: what do you mean by "restoring ipod factory settigns"? 15.16.01 # removing the rockbox bootloader? 15.16.33 # because itunes gives me "Itunes cannot read your ipod, go to the summary tab and reset it to its original factory settings" 15.16.34 # but i cant! 15.16.36 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.16.39 # because i click ok on that msg 15.16.48 # and then the ipod disapears from itunes 15.16.50 # linuxstb: Have you tried the Sansa driver? 15.17.08 # Kitt0s: Does Windows Explorer recognize your iPod as a drive? 15.17.22 # yes 15.17.32 # Kitt0s: and does Rockbox work? 15.18.33 # dunno, i use that PLoader 2 thingi.. and the Apple OS works ok 15.18.45 # dan_a: No, I haven't touched my Elio since my initial attempts. 15.19.44 # might be because i use windows vista? 15.19.49 # Kitt0s: you don't use rockbox? 15.19.56 # Vista is a huge variable in all this. 15.22.21 # i do 15.23.19 # were you booted into apple OS or Apple Disk Mode when iTunes gave you the error? 15.24.19 # diskmode 15.24.43 # Kitt0s: Have you rebooted your Windows PC? 15.25.00 # no but does it matter?> 15.25.12 # Well, something's broken... 15.25.35 # sec 15.25.41 # trying to run it through apple os 15.26.06 # Do you have a Non-Vista machine around? I'd like to see the Vista variable taken out of the equation. 15.27.16 # not atm, will have later today 15.29.51 Nick DreamThief|off is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A845A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.32.19 # Bagder: Are you around and able to update a couple of files in download.rockbox.org? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipod_fw.zip (it contains updated binaries for win32 and Mac OS X). 15.33.47 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.36.55 # ups.. i said dd if=ipodboot.bin of=/dev/sdc1 and forget i had my 600GB backup disk connected.. :D 15.37.04 # fortunately it was just backups 15.37.20 # Ouch... I always triple-check before doing that kind of dd... 15.37.38 # normally ipod would be always sdc1 so i didn't notice that 15.37.51 # btw, the new bootloader didn't work at least on first try 15.37.57 # investigating 15.38.37 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549323D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.38.40 # No, it wouldn't - it's identical to what was there before. 15.38.40 # linuxstb: did you try it on a 5.5g using your patched ipod_fw? 15.38.51 # oh? 15.39.45 # All my commit to bootloader/ipod.c did was remove some unused code. It should behave the same as it did before. 15.40.01 # ah, true.. but i will try again 15.40.10 # And my patched ipod_fw produces identical "rockboot.bin" images to the previous version. 15.40.16 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 15.40.45 # (but you now don't need the patched version for the 5.5g) 15.40.55 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 15.41.26 # I think the bootloader code itself is fine - the problem is likely to be with ipod_fw.c, probably with the "rsrc" image. 15.47.33 Quit pixelma ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 15.47.43 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54930189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.56.05 Quit Criamos (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.58.05 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-057-125-139.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.58.09 Join niskel [0] (n=niskel@fctnnbsc15w-156034085070.nb.aliant.net) 15.59.00 # linuxstb: does the ipod bootloader not run from the start of RAM? i wonder if that's the reason the modified crt0-pp.S isn't working on ipods? 16.00.37 # barrywardell: It's loaded (and run from) the end of the apple firmware, so about 5MB from the start of RAM. 16.01.08 # ah, ok. that's quite likely to be the problem (I think) 16.01.12 # It does a little initialisation in-place, then relocates itself to IRAM. 16.02.31 # barrywardell: does "disk poweroff" work reliably on h10 16.03.07 # linuxstb: you mean the bss and stack initialisation? 16.03.13 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 16.03.27 # n1s: it does for me. i've heard reports of crashes with it enabled though 16.04.30 # barrywardell: Yes (IIRC). 16.04.53 # Slasheri: Yes, the problem does seem to be the rsrc image being created incorrectly. I'm investigating now. 16.05.27 # linuxstb: apparently that part is very multiprocessor unsafe, which is why dan_a had to rewrite it to get it to work on the sansa 16.07.33 # barrywardell: That doesn't surprise me - there's definitely something bad happening with the cop on the ipods. 16.07.34 # barrywardell: hmm, that is a problem if my patch in the tracker gets committed because it turns it on and removes the option, so would you want it to be always on or always off or do you think the patch should wait untill it works reliably on the h10? 16.08.21 # I think the iPod comes out of the bootloader with the cache disabled, which means that the Rockbox bootloader doesn't have to worry about concurrency. The Sansa seems to have cache enabled by its bootloader, which caused problems. 16.08.52 # Yes, I'm pretty sure the cache is never enabled in the ipod bootloader. 16.08.54 # The updated crt0 flushes and invalidates cache at appropriate times. 16.10.01 # n1s: which patch? 16.10.09 # dan_a: Is the Sansa port developed enough to test Rolo? The rolo code for the ipod in CVS was my badly-informed attempt, and doesn't work... 16.10.28 # (I'm sure it's cache-related) 16.10.46 # barrywardell: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6421 16.11.06 # linuxstb: Rolo works on my h10 if I use my updated crt0-pp.S 16.11.12 # linuxstb: Rolo works fine on the Sansa (I can't remember if I had to make one or two local changes) - but the OF doesn't boot properly with it 16.12.05 # Have you both tried different rockbox versions to the currently running one? 16.12.14 # (that's where the ipod rolo falls over) 16.12.27 # no, just the one that's already running 16.14.11 # linuxstb: I've tried a different version, with no problems. The change I made was to use the proper cache flushing code instead of reading 8kB memory. 16.15.01 # dan_a: That's good news. Can you commit it? (it can't be any worse than the existing ipod rolo code). 16.15.26 # Will do! 16.15.54 # * linuxstb hates the ipod_fw.c code and wants to write a replacement... 16.19.56 # so no1 knows how do i reset ipod to its factory settings without itunes? 16.21.21 Quit Kitt0s ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 16.23.13 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp146-137.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.25.19 # n1s: I'll do some testing on my H10 and report back if the crashes are still present 16.25.54 # barrywardell: thanks 16.30.53 # barrywardell: Can you test the updated bootloader on H10 and iPod if you change the "adjust for execute address" line to be "and r5, pc, #0xffff0000"? 16.33.35 # dan_a: you mean the "get the high part of our execute address" part? the part you mention is only used in a normal build 16.35.30 # Darn, I was looking at the wrong version of the file... 16.36.09 # Yes, I mean "get the high part", and try it with "and r4, pc, #0xffff0000" 16.36.41 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 16.37.48 # dan_a: Your rolo patch seems to work - I can Rolo an IPL kernel... 16.38.36 # * dan_a does the dance of the working rolo :D 16.39.10 # I doubt it is handling the COP correctly though... 16.39.41 # Which I expect is the reason I still can't rolo an Apple firmware. 16.40.01 # linuxstb: No, it isn't. I've done some quick tests on that, but not got anywhere. 16.40.19 # (For one thing, it leaves the COP sleeping) 16.42.52 # I've not quite got my head around how memory remapping will work with two cores - will the COP need to reset its own memmapregs? 16.42.58 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@87.68.52.163) 16.43.29 # Have you checked how IPL does it? i.e. does the COP run the memory remapping code as well? 16.43.40 # Kitt0s: in response to your parting question. If Apple Firmware boots and works, it doesn't make sense that iTunes is bitching about your player. 16.43.59 # i know dude 16.44.01 # Kitt0s: That is why I was curious to see what happened when Windows Vista was taken out of the equation. 16.44.02 # just did a reset 16.44.03 # no luck :\ 16.44.27 # Until more evidence comes in - I'm blaming Vista. 16.45.52 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 16.45.56 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp44-111.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.46.21 # well 16.46.29 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-255-117.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 16.46.31 # is there another way to restore the ipod into its factory settigns? 16.47.08 # Did you keep a backup of your original bootpartition.bin from when you installed the bootloader? 16.47.41 # trying to compile gives me an Error: invalid constant -- `and r4,pc,#0xffff0000' 16.48.11 # well... look, i had a bootloader that opens rockbox, and if u click on MENU while loading it gives u apple OS 16.48.26 # today i installed PL Loader 2 or whatever 16.48.40 # but i don't remember if it worked with itunes before 16.48.41 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 16.48.51 # but 0xff000000 and 0xffffff00 work fine. 16.49.25 # dan_a: What is this line in rolo.c? " for(i = length; i < length; i++)" 16.50.09 # linuxstb: Me not paying proper attention! It's left over from your cache flushing 16.50.11 # Soap 16.50.15 # dan_a: :) 16.50.32 # how do i restore bootpartition.bin 16.50.32 # ? 16.50.54 # Kitt0s: the issue as I see it is that iTunes /should/ recognize it in its current state. iTunes worked fine on my iPod when I had the IPL bootloader installed. While that might be the problem, and rewriting your bootloader.bin file will remove the IPL bootloader... 16.51.02 # Kitt0s: So you originally had the Rockbox bootloader installed, and then you installed IPL's loader2? 16.51.14 # yea 16.51.32 # its my friend's ipod and he wanted AppleOS by deafult 16.51.46 # Kitt0s: Do you still have the bootpartition.bin from the _first_ time you installed Rockbox? 16.51.58 # * Soap ment bootpartition.bin 16.52.01 # dan_a: any idea why it won't compile for me? does it compile ok for anyone else? 16.52.29 # hmm 16.52.30 # i have 16.52.35 # bootpartition.bin.bak 16.52.43 # wich is old 16.52.44 # so yea 16.52.53 # barrywardell: No idea - though I think the ARMs are limited in what you can use as immediate constants 16.53.22 # dan_a: http://pastebin.ca/274251 <- that's what I'm using currently 16.53.26 # Kittos: Then "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin.bak" should do it (replacing N with the disk number assigned to your ipod). 16.54.08 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.54.12 # barrywardell: Do I remember right that using 0xffffff00 didn't boot on the H10? 16.55.06 # yes, i just tested that again and it doesn't even show the bootloader on the lcd 16.56.24 # [INFO] Input file is 41094144 bytes 16.56.24 # [INFO] Writing input file to device 16.56.24 # [INFO] Wrote 41094144 bytes plus 0 bytes padding. 16.57.29 # dan_a: 0xffff0000 boots fine on H10. 0xff000000 also works. 0xffffff00 doesn't 16.57.43 # ok 16.57.45 # now to test on ipod... 16.57.46 # so now its only ipod 16.57.47 # right? 16.58.00 # i mean 16.58.03 # AppleOS 16.58.03 # Kitt0s: It only has the Apple firmware. 16.58.19 # ok then 16.58.20 # same error 16.58.21 # :| 16.58.29 # Did you ever reboot Vista? 16.58.33 # yes 16.58.46 # And itunes worked in Vista before for you? 16.58.58 # (Operating system) Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate , version 6.0.6000 (51 processes running, 126.23MB free RAM, installed 3w 3d 22h 38m 12s ago, 33m 36s uptime, 3w 1d 13h 26m 34s uptime record) 16.59.05 # just rebooted 16.59.12 # no 16.59.13 # barrywardell_: I think I've gone the wrong way, haven't I? If the iPod is running 5MB from where the other targets do, we want less bits of the address. My brain hurts and I need a cup of tea. 16.59.15 # didn't try 17.00.55 # i'v got to go 17.00.55 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17.00.57 # speak to ya later 17.01.02 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp38-164.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.02.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.03.32 # dan_a: 0xffff0000 doesn't work on iPod 17.05.20 # barrywardell_: See the comment above - I think it should be something between 0xfe000000 and 0xf0000000 - when the caffeine works its way around me I'll think about it properly 17.08.53 # Shouldn't it just always be 0xff000000? 17.10.42 # (are we talking about line 100 in http://pastebin.ca/274251 ?) 17.11.11 # Line 66 17.12.13 # that's trying to get the start of the BL code, right? 17.12.26 # then copying the whole BL to IRAM 17.13.28 Nick barrywardell_ is now known as barrywardell (n=barrywar@host-194-46-255-117.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 17.13.40 Quit mptech ("Quick Robin, To the roflcopter!") 17.13.50 # That value is 0xffffff00 in CVS? 17.14.19 # yes 17.15.46 # But 0xffffff00 doesn't work on H10 17.16.13 # i don't see why it doesn't though 17.16.33 # and the CVS bootloader worked last time I tried ( which does use 0xffffff00) 17.17.53 # Does 0xffffff00 boot on the iPod? 17.18.20 # nope. i haven't got the new code to boot the ipod at all 17.18.30 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host149-126.pool8248.interbusiness.it) 17.20.07 # It would be good if we could get to the bottom of this (and the crossfeed problem on the H10) so we can get the updated crt0 in, which is what is holding up dual boot for Sansa. 17.20.08 # i see the problem 17.20.20 # 0xfffffe00 works 17.20.50 # the updated crt0 has the space at the start to avoid 0xe0-0xef 17.21.01 # Ah. 17.21.17 # that pushes line 66 to 0xfc 17.21.37 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 17.22.38 # and I think the pc is probably some where past that at 0x1** 17.23.34 # Also, on the ipods, the code before boot_table: must be less than 0x100 bytes... 17.23.52 # Otherwise ipod_fw.c will trash it. 17.24.27 # sounds like that could well be the problem with the ipods then 17.25.51 # Yes - my solution would be to #ifdef out the padding at the start for iPod bootloaders 17.27.38 # Or I could remove that feature from ipod_fw.c - we don't actually need it... 17.27.42 # yup, that works 17.27.57 # removing the space at the start lets the bootloader work on iPod 17.28.58 # and it loads Rockbox fine too:) 17.30.25 # Should that new crt0-pp.S help with the COP as well? 17.31.00 # there's a chance it will 17.31.12 # Not on iPods, I don't think, but maybe on H10s 17.32.09 # I'll just check that the cop is still branching to the correct place 17.33.35 # the updated bl boots the ipod OF too 17.33.52 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.34.52 # There's no reason it shouldn't, but does it boot IPL? 17.35.32 # i've never tried installing IPL 17.36.59 # btw does audible seeking in mp3s work? 17.37.01 # what about splitting crt0 into BL and non-BL files? i think people were in favor of that before. 17.37.32 Join Bger [0] (n=bager@rockbox/developer/Bger) 17.38.40 Quit anathema (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.38.50 # barrywardell: Yes, I'm in favour of a split. 17.39.19 # would this require exactly the same technique used in bmp progress bar? >> http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=523669&postcount=1 17.40.14 # linuxstb: the only problem i came across in trying to do so before was that boot.lds doesn't recognise BOOTLOADER as being defined 17.41.24 # barrywardell: That shouldn't matter, should it? boot.lds won't be used if BOOTLOADER isn't defined 17.42.14 # ah, yes. silly me! 17.43.26 # Ah, the other question I have - I don't see why it should have, but has fixing the bootloader sorted out the crossfeed problem on h10? If not, is the problem there on the iPod too? 17.45.44 # i haven't tested yet. the crossfeed problem doesn't exist on an ipod using a normal build with an old crt0 17.45.55 # and with the new bl of course 17.46.22 # That's good, at least. 17.46.32 # so it's probably a mistake by me in making a new crt0 for non-bootloader builds 17.46.53 # linuxstb: boot_table is only used on ipod's? 17.47.34 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 17.47.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp13-37.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.48.00 # barrywardell: Yes. It's not even used in Rockbox though - it's something leftover from the old ipod loader. ipod_fw.c writes some information there. 17.48.14 # ^old ipodlinux loader 17.49.22 # so maybe that should just be removed too? 17.49.54 # Yes, but it would mean changing ipod_fw.c. We would also lose some compatibility with IPL. 17.50.25 # ah, ok. maybe easier to just leave it in for ipods then 17.50.35 # I think so. For now at least. 17.59.33 Quit Gnelik41 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.03.23 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.03.30 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-224-190.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 18.04.23 # barrywardell: How did you fix the invalid constant problem? 18.04.57 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 18.05.00 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp10-180.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.05.14 # linuxstb, dan_a: here's a patch: http://pastebin.ca/274328 18.06.23 # dan_a: the answer to your question is on line 475 of the patch 18.06.41 # although i think that can be changed back to 0xffffff00 now. 18.06.56 # actually, maybe not 18.09.51 # anybody here having experience setting up an arm-elf-gcc evironment on ubuntu linux? 18.10.25 # Arathis: have you used rockboxdev.sh? 18.11.29 # yes 18.11.52 # but I get an error cause it can't find libiconv.so.2 18.12.53 # have you got iconv installed? 18.13.04 # yes 18.13.12 # I can find it on my machine too 18.13.18 # do you need iconv to compile gcc? 18.13.52 Part jhMikeS 18.14.01 # what's the exact error message? 18.14.29 # can't remember. I closed the window .... running it again right now 18.15.38 # dan_a: i think the sansa bl should look in /System for the OF. that way it wouldn't get deleted when updating rockbox and deleting .rockbox 18.16.48 # dan_a: and is there really a need for separate h10.c and e200.c? 18.16.53 # barrywardell: Given that I'm going to have to flash the OF on in order to put Rockbox on *because* I'd deleted .rockbox... I can't argue at all! 18.16.57 # You shouldn't delete .rockbox when updating 18.17.30 # That way you lose all settings saved from plugins (and soon main settings as well), and database files etc etc 18.17.50 # dan_a: it has happened to me too, several times. that's why i mentioned it 18.18.05 # amiconn: but sometimes deleting .rockbox fixes weird problems 18.18.32 # huh? 18.18.32 # And as long as the code it h10.c and e200.c can be cleanly combined, then they should be one file. 18.19.01 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 18.19.04 # * Genre9mp3 remembers deleting his rocks dir and loosing his jewels high scores... 18.19.07 # I never played jewels again :/ 18.19.20 Quit zylche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.19.40 # amiconn: there are many reports on mistic river of people who updated by just extracting over the .rockbox having problems. removing .rockbox and reextracting rockbox.zip fixed the problems 18.20.10 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.20.13 # but often resetting settings fiexed it too 18.20.18 # *fixed 18.20.33 # dan_a: as far as i can tell they're almost the exact same, apart from a couple of strings 18.21.31 # They shouldn't be too different - the first version of e200.c was an exact copy of h10.c 18.22.56 # barrywardell: Then they use a strange unzipper which doesn't overwrite old files 18.23.35 # barrywardell: I've found the rules for what makes a valid constant in ARM - http://www.zap.org.au/elec2041-cdrom/examples/intro/values.s from stg3 18.23.43 # Extracting a new build over an existing one never causes problems by itself if all extracted files replace the existing ones with the same name 18.23.52 # Or they don't cleanly unmount/eject, leaving some corrupted files behind, and the next time it works... 18.24.17 # I always just pull the cable... on windows, with write caching disabled 18.24.41 # dan_a: a diff between the two shows the only real difference is in the text strings, calling things iriver/Sansa 18.25.12 # amiconn, linuxstb: either way, getting them to delete .rockbox and reextract frequently works 18.25.28 # I'd say combine them, then 18.25.33 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 18.25.40 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p54AEDE2B.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.26.18 # only problem is which file to keep? pity cvs can't just rename to mi4.c 18.26.51 # Delete them both and create a new mi4.c... 18.27.26 # * linuxstb waits for preglow to suggest a replacement for cvs 18.27.49 # mi4.c might be confusing - there is already tools/mi4.c 18.27.57 # main-mi4.c ? 18.27.57 Quit pike^lapt (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.28.15 Join TeaSea [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.195.175) 18.28.38 # * dan_a thinks Git is lovely 18.28.42 # yes 18.29.05 # BTW, with the new crt0-pp-bl.S code, I seem to be able to reliably load apple_os from a file on the FAT32 partition. 18.30.53 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.30.54 # so would it be best to try use the same main-mi4.c for the ipod too? 18.30.57 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54987F5F.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.31.18 # The ipod isn't mi4... The bootloader also has a button driver (we don't use the standard Rockbox one). 18.31.24 # Excellent - I'll have a play and see if I can make RoLo reliably boot the Sansa OF 18.31.39 # dan_a: Sorry, not with Rolo, but from the bootloader.... 18.32.26 # linuxstb: there isn't really anything mi4 specific in the code 18.32.42 # barrywardell: yet 18.32.54 # true 18.32.55 # I want to make it able to boot native mi4 files 18.33.27 # dan_a: Doesn't that mean incorporating decryption code? 18.34.11 # It does - would that be a problem? 18.34.38 # barrywardell: Maybe call it main-pp.c, so we could possibly incorporate the ipod bootloader in the future. 18.34.49 # dan_a: possibly with including the decryption key? 18.34.54 # linuxstb: will do 18.35.40 # dan_a: Is mi4code.c GPL'd? 18.36.02 # what about the string "iriver H10"/"Sandisk Sansa E200" 18.37.16 # mi4code.c doesn't mention any licence 18.37.47 # linuxstb: There's no licence information - but since it's by MrH and he wants to remain anonymous, I was not going to use any of mi4code.c 18.41.27 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 18.41.37 # barrywardell: my error msg while running rockboxdev.sh: "/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc/xgcc: error while loading shared libraries: libiconv.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" 18.42.19 # Arathis: where is libiconv.so.2? 18.42.38 # dan_a: I think I remember talking about this with Bagder in IRC once, but can't remember what he thought.... But if you can do it without using any code from mi4code.c, then I can't think of a reason why not. 18.43.33 # linuxstb, Soap, u there? 18.43.42 # ? 18.43.46 # ? 18.44.31 # ok its wired.. windows seems to connect the device, then disconnet, then connect etc. 18.44.36 # on and off 18.45.23 Quit shnee (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.45.35 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com) 18.45.45 # barrywardell: Either take that string out, or have it #ifdeffed at the top of the file. It's probably useful to keep it in 18.47.41 # Don't people know the name of their player? :) 18.48.21 # linuxstb, what do u think? 18.48.33 # Kitt0s: I'm glad I don't use itunes... 18.48.40 # lol 18.48.40 # linuxstb: I was thinking for when people came in here and complained that Rockbox didn't work, and by the way why does it say "Sansa E200" on their iRiver H10... 18.49.29 # You could just define a string in config-xxxxx.h to be displayed in the bootloader. 18.50.32 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-095-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.50.38 # Soap? 18.51.04 # I think you have proven the issue is not rockbox / IPL related. 18.51.33 # I think you need to test on: 1-A non Vista machine. 2-With a different USB cable. 18.53.23 # barrywardell: $ locate libiconv.so.2 18.53.24 # /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.2.2.0 18.53.24 # /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.2 18.57.09 # Arathis: what does "echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH" say? 18.58.08 # nothing 18.58.25 # just an empty line 18.58.32 # $ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH 19.00.23 # Arathis: btw, why do you use rockboxdev.sh instead of the standard tools ? 19.00.38 Join mueslii [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.00.41 # which standardtools? 19.00.53 # I just try to follow http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 19.02.00 # oh, ignore me 19.02.31 # Arathis: try this: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib" 19.02.37 # then run rockboxdev.sh again 19.02.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.03.09 # I'll try 19.08.45 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.13.10 # linuxstb, barrywardell: The COP works with the updated bootloader. I think we should wake the COP from the CPU before branching to main, though. 19.14.35 # dan_a: i gotta go now, but i'll read the logs to see you explanation of why 19.14.44 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 19.14.47 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 19.15.36 # that is - in the Rockbox version of crt0 - not the bootloader version. 19.16.48 # http://pastebin.ca/274395 19.18.02 # that's my latest version of the changes - splitting up crt0-pp, combining files in bootloader/, updated crt0-pp-bl.S to improved version, crt0-pp.S is the same as CVS with the bootloader stuff removed. 19.18.06 Quit barrywardell () 19.22.43 # still the same error while compiling the arm-efl-gcc :( 19.24.32 Join noteventime [0] (n=tilo@c-139be355.74-21-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 19.24.39 # 'lo 19.25.05 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 19.25.20 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-095-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.26.00 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 19.27.12 # I'm trying to find some info on what hardware my player runs on 19.27.29 # What player is it? 19.27.44 # Ir's not supported by rockbox. TwinMOS mmd318s 19.28.00 # The only thing I've been able to figure out is that it uses a pma300 19.28.30 # By unscrewing it 19.28.50 # Which is some kind of mp3decoder thingy 19.29.31 # The thing is that I can't seem to get past the display, and I'm not sure how much violence i can use without breaking it 19.32.32 # Do you think there is any chance of finding it out some other way? 19.33.38 # Considering TwinMOS's own site has a 404 error when you try to view the player you may be out of luck. 19.33.51 Join shrimants [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-69-221-77-225.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 19.34.01 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 19.34.15 # will winamp pick up rockbox as a removable device and allow you to sync/ 19.34.41 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.34.41 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 19.35.16 # TeaSea: Haha, I was kinda guessing, nothing better to do though. Thanks anyway 19.36.25 # noteventime: Is the firmware upgradable? 19.36.35 Quit DivinuZ () 19.37.15 # linuxstb: Yes 19.38.36 # shrimants: all rockbox targets are connecting in "usb mass storage" mode, does that help? 19.42.35 # noteventime: Do you know if it's encrypted? A first test would be to look in a firmware update, try and edit a string with a hex editor, and then try to run that modified firmware. 19.42.49 # ok 19.42.51 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 19.42.58 # I'll check it out 19.43.20 Join DreamThief|off [0] (n=mathias@p54A808CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.43.50 # markun: not really i kind of blanked out and now im completely lost 19.44.20 # hmm, what's the best hexeditor for linux? :P 19.44.22 Quit DreamThief (Nick collision from services.) 19.44.54 Nick DreamThief|off is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A808CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.44.54 # noteventime: xvi32? 19.44.59 # oko 19.45.37 # noteventime: emacs will work... 19.45.42 # oko 19.45.54 # gots to go, later 19.45.56 Quit shrimants ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]") 19.46.15 # noteventime: Also, do you know if you can recover your player if it rejects the firmware file? 19.47.38 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 19.47.58 # I have no idea I'm afraid :) There is barely any info on it. I'm not very fond of it though. + I wasn't going to do any experimenting on it today. I was marely interested in knowing what hardware it ran on so I'd know if it was even remotely possible to do any work on it. 19.48.08 # The support sucks :P 19.49.41 # noteventime: is there some kind of user forum for your player? 19.49.54 # Not that I've been able to find :) 19.49.58 # Are there any other major chips apart from the pma300? I'm thinking of a CPU.... 19.50.50 # There should be, the problem is that all the major components are below the display 19.50.57 # Anyway should be 19.51.37 # As I can't see them anywere else 19.53.21 # The pma300 seem to be manufactured by a Chinese company called "Actions Semiconductors Co. Ltd", but I can't find any info on their website: http://www.actions.com.cn/ 19.54.07 # Is it of any real interest though. Maybe they're manufactured for a specific hardware,,, 19.57.07 # noteventime: Have you read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 19.57.17 # yes 19.58.11 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 19.58.28 # I'm resonably sure I couldn't port anything, but I figured I might learn something. I never use the player so I wouldn't die if it breaks :) 20.00.15 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.01.29 # Last bit of reminder-spam; the eBay auction for my Archos V1 Recorder finishes soon. 20.01.47 # * pondlife apologises for the commercial break 20.01.59 # ...and now back to our scheduled program. 20.03.34 # :)' 20.03.51 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97C06.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.04.29 # I'll have to fix my homework and get back to this a little later :P 20.13.33 Join terriblyinept [0] (n=energy_O@74.130.10.182) 20.15.30 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 20.18.24 Join Ekron [0] (n=adf@d069113.adsl.hansenet.de) 20.22.03 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 20.24.41 # petur: Renaming 'microphone' to 'internal microphone' doesn't make much sense e.g. for archos 20.24.56 # oh 20.24.56 # The suggested renaming of 'line in' makes even less sense 20.25.08 # Microphone is always internal on archos 20.25.33 # so make it target specific? 20.25.37 # The line in is a pure line in; you cannot connect a microphone without a proper mic preamp 20.25.43 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 20.26.21 # I think so. Probably the combined line in / mic in is iriver only (h1x0 and h300) 20.26.33 # Not sure about the X5 20.28.40 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 20.30.44 # * petur gives PCMREC_PARANOID an interested look 20.31.37 # What's the discussion, if you don't mind me butting in and listening a bit? 20.32.00 # hmm 20.32.18 # hi Bger 20.32.21 # hi :) 20.32.27 # long time... 20.32.34 # .. no time... 20.32.53 # * Bger just spotted that disktidy can't enter more then 7 (or 8) levels in the dir tree 20.33.39 # (because it doesn't close the dir handle and #define MAX_OPEN_DIRS 8 ) 20.33.57 # s/then/than 20.34.50 # hmmmm.. then my properties plugin should have the same issue, as will the recursive dir delete... 20.35.07 # * petur tries 20.38.00 # strange, seems to work 20.39.15 # ah no, it silently fails to detect anything lower 20.39.25 # ah, okay 20.39.26 # :) 20.39.56 # But you cannot close the parent handles, otherwise recursion won't work 20.40.07 # same for delete dir: fails silently 20.41.12 # amiconn: indeed, unless you keep a counter and assume the order and count stay the same 20.41.58 # which, unless somebody added a random generator to the dir enumeration, should work 20.42.37 # yep 20.43.52 # It will get a lot slower though 20.44.21 # in the case of dir delete: even more... 20.44.39 # ...because then you always need to reopen the dir and advance to the last position 20.44.47 # indeed 20.44.51 # (especially if dircache is turned off) 20.44.56 # Not in case of recursive delete though 20.45.08 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p5484A533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.45.24 # In this case, the next entry is always the first one 20.47.45 # Of course the closing of open parent handles could be made dynamic 20.48.06 # Adds quite some complexity though 20.49.00 # * amiconn thinks that having 8 dirlevels is somewhat insane though 20.49.22 # here is an example /D/iriver/h300/Docs/usb/DevClass/ms/Protocols 20.49.59 # on pc, I have too but not on a DAP 20.50.04 # and i don't think it's insane.. 20.51.39 # not if you use your DAP as a removable HDD too 20.52.36 Join Rudy4Pez [0] (n=A@c-24-21-214-17.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 20.52.55 Part terriblyinept 20.53.20 Join Plouj [0] (n=Plouj@dsl-207-112-65-221.tor.primus.ca) 20.56.17 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.56.24 Quit mueslii ("ich will Kühe!!!") 20.58.42 # what is database.[ch] used for? the new database (tagcache)? 20.58.55 # yes 20.59.05 # thanks 21.00.00 # amiconn: I was testing your suggestion to make private functions static and I have managed to save about 150b on recorder builds :-) 21.00.29 # Nice :) 21.00.57 # * petur notes that recording is still borked on his h340 :( 21.01.24 # Yes, very 21.01.34 # what's broken on h320? 21.01.35 # eh, database.c? 21.01.54 # Recording stops to advance here after seconds to minutes 21.01.59 # database.* is the burried tagdb 21.02.12 # someone suggested to me that iriver 320 works with rock box just as well as an ipod nano ... 21.02.14 # oh sorry, didn't see you asked for the .c/.h files 21.02.24 # Interestingly, I only observe this behaviour on X5 and H300 only 21.02.40 # On H1x0 recording works like a charm 21.02.54 # * amiconn recorded ~1.5 hours this morning 21.03.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.03.16 # amiconn, petur: which builds do this stopping ? 21.03.24 # Plouj: I think RockBox works better on iriver than on ipod 21.03.29 # Slasheri: they are still built... 21.03.39 # Either it's a timing problem caused by the colour lcds, or it depends on the absence of s/pdif in 21.03.41 # Bger: latest cvs? 21.04.00 # it must be a timing issue as a logf build seems to work better 21.04.12 # n1s: no, they shouldn't be.. 21.04.13 # petur: but there are these bugs mentioned: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverStatus - although I'm not sure which model of the device they apply to 21.04.24 # does the build from friday morning (08.12) do it ? 21.04.46 # n1s: database.c isn't defined anywhere in apps/SOURCES 21.05.23 # Plouj: last updated 6 months ago ;) 21.05.29 # Slasheri: I know but if I rename it, it won't build 21.06.09 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 21.06.10 # well, someone should update that wiki then 21.06.21 # Plouj: and those issues are all for swcodec devices, which the ipod is too 21.06.58 # petur ? 21.07.03 # aha! database.h is included in main.c 21.07.16 # Bger? 21.07.44 # do you know whether a build from friday morning will have the "stopping" issue too ? 21.07.53 # probably 21.07.59 Quit [sellout] (Remote closed the connection) 21.08.10 # last known stable recording was mid-august 21.08.17 # hm 21.08.18 # :( 21.08.49 # but i'm using it very often for voice recording and i don't mind the problems that u can't stand... 21.09.00 # but if the recording process stops ... 21.10.14 # I'm pretty sure this stopping issue is pretty new, added somewhere between 01 Dec and 08 Dec 21.10.35 # amiconn: what are the symptoms ? 21.10.58 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 21.11.01 # Recording stops after some time (ranging from seconds to minutes) 21.11.03 # because i've made 2-3 recordings (each at least 2h30m long) since then 21.11.18 # (mp3, mono, 64kbps) 21.11.24 # If recording is in standby when it happens, you can start recording, but then it just pretends to record 21.11.53 # ..i.e. file size doesn't increase, and peakmeter is empty 21.12.16 # This is pure wav recording. 21.12.27 # Tried mic/line in as well as mono/stereo 21.13.39 # okay, recording with these params (mp3 etc) dated 06.12 haven't stopped 21.14.22 # I get this behaviour both on H340 and on X5 21.14.36 # since when ? 21.14.50 # Tried yesterday and today 21.15.02 # A build from 1 Dec works on X5 21.15.25 # btw, what do you think of some kind of "root rockbox dir" parameter passing (through ROLO) ? 21.15.36 # ?? 21.15.41 # haha 21.16.06 # ok, i'll try to explain 21.16.56 # i mean some kind of mechanism, allowing to have more than one full rockbox copy (plugins, codecs, etc) 21.17.00 # at the same time 21.17.12 # Why would you want that? 21.17.48 # recording issue for example... 21.17.55 # To switch between different versions? 21.17.58 # yep 21.18.15 # To lessen the pressure to fix issues? 21.18.23 # haha 21.18.26 # I'd say that's the wrong way... 21.18.28 # i expected this :) 21.19.20 # I didn't see the need to run completely separate builds a single time on any of my targets for the whole time I'm involved in rockbox 21.20.00 # I do sometimes use rolo for test builds, and to show the ugliness of retailos on archos 21.20.16 # good reason (last one) 21.20.20 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@160.228.157.232) 21.20.28 # These test builds can just use the installed codecs and plugins 21.21.17 # yep, but i doubt it could if the build is half an year old 21.22.12 # Yes, but then I have no need for any old build, except if I want to check how it behaves, and then I just do a full install 21.22.42 # okay, it was just an idea... 21.23.12 # RoLo is still helpful for this, because I don't need to power down & power up again 21.24.40 # Bg3r: If you really want to keep such an old build for special purposes, just recompile it with a changed rockbox root 21.25.09 # yeah, that's a way 21.27.08 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16398.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.30.34 # plugin writers should stop using ".rockbox" literally ... 21.35.11 Quit Ribs (Remote closed the connection) 21.37.27 # Do some people not think before they post on the forum? Someone on the Sansa thread has just told us to "fix the scrollwheel and fix the sound playback." Ooh, I'd not thought of implementing *sound* on Rockbox! 21.37.31 # 21.39.13 # lol, one guy is selling 3kg EDO RAM for ~ 50 EU 21.42.34 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 21.43.26 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.47.38 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 21.47.46 Join Blork [0] (n=Blork@cpe-70-122-217-154.houston.res.rr.com) 21.48.04 Part Blork 21.48.24 Join Blork [0] (n=Blork@cpe-70-122-217-154.houston.res.rr.com) 21.48.36 # hi all 21.49.27 # I was wondering if you guys know of a program that lets you use the new ipod shuffle 1GB without itunes. 21.49.50 # I cant find one that is compatible with the new shuffle 21.50.36 Join webguest29 [0] (i=467ad99a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4b6eb211406a5e51) 21.51.50 Quit webguest29 (Client Quit) 21.52.16 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 21.53.04 Quit newbyx86 (Remote closed the connection) 21.56.31 Quit [sellout] ("Freedom is for outlaws") 21.59.48 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era") 22.09.23 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@160.228.157.232) 22.16.41 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 22.17.43 Join _DreamThief [0] (n=mathias@p54A81635.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.18.41 Quit DreamThief (Nick collision from services.) 22.19.17 Nick _DreamThief is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A81635.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.30.59 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.32.38 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 22.33.10 # would distcc over a 100mbit lan (on 2 windows machines under cygwin) speed up compile much over just the one cygwin? 22.34.43 Join Sumguy21 [0] (i=Sumguy21@68-118-73-26.dhcp.rsbg.or.charter.com) 22.34.49 # Hello/ 22.35.06 # JdGordon : I don't know about cygwin, but distcc helps quite a bit under native linux ( gentoo ) 22.35.25 # ok, proabbly worth a shot then 22.35.34 # yep 22.35.38 # My ipod nano just died, I installed the firmware had it running, plugged it into the computer, went to diskmode put some stuff on, un plugged it 22.35.48 # Then the battery symbol appeared and it shut off and I can't get it to turn on. 22.36.04 # Sumguy21: hold select and menu untill something happens 22.36.08 # then charge it fully 22.37.25 # It is charged fully, is this supposed to happen whenever I unplug it from the computer? 22.37.25 Quit SimonSelki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.37.31 Quit Arathis_ ("[rl_bot quit]") 22.37.32 # no 22.37.40 # but it happens t my ssters nano occasionallt 22.37.47 # hold menu and select for about 6sec 22.37.52 # Weird, whatever. Can I uncap volume? 22.38.22 # volume goes up to +8dB on the ipods or somehin crazy 22.38.59 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.39.21 # Only goes up to 6 on mine, but is it possibly to uncap? 22.40.01 # 6 is the highest then 22.40.09 Quit pondlife ("disconnected has pondlife") 22.40.18 # we belive i the right to destory our ears here... 22.40.27 # if +6 doesn't blow your eardrums, you have 600ohm headphones. 22.40.33 # hehe 22.40.48 # My headphones literally jumped out of my hand when I put it up that high 22.40.53 # it was quite fun 22.41.06 # but they're expensive headphones so now I have some cheap old headphones that I can use as loudspeakers :D 22.41.12 # Mine aren't doing anything special, it doesn't even seem abormally loud considering how loud some people listen to music. 22.41.14 # but it drains battery like hell 22.41.17 # does anyone know where i can find a replacement for itunes for the new shuffle? 22.41.23 # YamiPod 22.41.35 # tryed it and its not compatible 22.41.39 # Also you shouldn't have a Shuffle, it's a waste of time :D 22.42.05 # Blork: his is #rockbox, we arnt a apple support channel, we only deal with rockbox on rockboxable targets 22.42.09 # won it in a raffle 22.42.26 # Is there a menu system similar to the apple firmware, or is it just put it on through disc mode? 22.43.03 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.43.03 # i was hoping that someone here might know 22.43.29 # but then i guess my luck ran out on the raffle 22.44.11 # No there isn't? 22.46.15 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD64BA.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.46.15 # Sumguy21:" Database" is what you need to read up on in the manual/wiki/forums. 22.46.40 # It is a topic fit for more detail than I can type in an hour. 22.46.53 # Mmkay 22.47.03 # Anything else I should try out? 22.50.03 # * JdGordon wondering why his cdrom is working much faster this morning than it was last night 22.51.31 # Perhaps it was tired... ;) 22.51.40 # I think so 22.51.54 # ah... JdGordon, I don't know what progress you made... but testing yesterday's settings patch - it still don't save resume position and settings changed during playback (i.e. rebuffering) 22.52.05 # *doesn't 22.52.34 # damn, damn damn! Ok, ill keep looking 22.52.49 # * pixelma is going to compile the lates version 22.52.50 # Im working on making sure all he settings are working correclty now 22.53.51 # did anything about the lcd mode "inverse" changed between yesterday and today? 22.54.13 # I fixed the calback not working, but im not sure if that makes a difference 22.54.47 # ok... I'll just test the new one and tell you more then 22.54.52 # ta 22.56.03 Quit bawb2 ("seacrest out!") 22.57.20 # Why aren't my headphones jumping out of my hand like i hear rumored? 23.02.40 # what headphones do you have? 23.03.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.05.51 # * JdGordon goes back to bed for 2 houors... 9am is way to early to be up! 23.05.59 Join jba [0] (n=jba@postoffice.rogen.com.au) 23.14.16 # nite 23.14.20 Quit Bger ("Leaving") 23.23.54 # 99 cent ones 23.24.11 # But I plugged them into better ones and they didn't do much different 23.24.14 # Ear buds... 23.25.49 # regardless, rockbox will drive them as hard as the hardware can drive them. 23.28.15 Join aridese [0] (n=heko@69-183-175-42.ded.snet.net) 23.28.55 Quit Ekron ("Leaving") 23.30.39 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A81635.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.33.32 # is anyone working on rockbox for ipod? 23.34.01 # lots of people. 23.34.18 # oh my bad 23.34.22 # haha, i meant 3g ipod 23.35.22 # A lot of the work for the other iPods helps the 3g. I'm the only developer who has a 3g, though, and I'm not smart enough to make it play without skipping on MP3s 23.35.59 # oh -- how does the original firmware use the 5002? 23.36.26 # well ;) 23.37.37 # i remember talking to someone about how the original firmware loads data into memory insted of pumping it straight into the 5002 23.37.46 # It uses both of the cores - I'm working on doing that at the moment (amongst other things) but it is going slowly. One big problem if I get it working is that we think using both cores will use more battery 23.38.00 # aridese: eh, that doesn't make sense 23.38.03 # We buffer data in memory too 23.38.08 # yeah, i might have forgotten 23.39.04 # oh. is the code for the playback convoluted? e.g., a lot of hardware calls, direct access to memory? 23.39.50 # get the code and check for yourself! 23.40.33 # Rockbox runs on numerous players so it should be an indication that we have a certain degree of abstraction 23.41.04 # but we try to avoid adding unnecessary layers or things that complicate or slow down 23.43.14 Part n1s 23.43.44 # i see 23.44.53 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 23.45.09 # i cant find any cvs/code info on the site 23.45.14 # where is it? 23.45.31 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS 23.45.33 # * petur hands aridese a couple of eyes 23.45.49 # * Bagder goes to bed 23.45.51 # Bagder: Did you see my message in the logs to you about ipod_fw.zip? 23.45.56 # Damn... 23.46.00 # no... 23.46.27 # ok 23.46.31 # I'll fix that 23.46.43 # Thanks. 23.47.48 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 23.47.57 # so they replace the existing ipod_fw.exe and ipod_fw I take it? 23.48.11 # Yes. 23.48.18 # * amiconn now has a multi-lcd-resolution fixed bounce.c 23.48.29 # linuxstb: done! 23.48.31 # * petur just discovered some crazy borked menu stuff 23.48.46 # Bagder: Thanks. A step closer to saying we support the 5.5g (30GB at least...) 23.48.54 # very nice indeed 23.50.15 # repeat the key sequence "REC, UP, UP, RIGHT, long SELECT" about 4 times, then start pressing left to back out. Suddenly in the list of plugins the extensions start to flash on/off.... xmas decoration :D 23.50.59 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6010 shows worse issues in the menu system than the bugreport mentions 23.51.38 # I think we should hard block menu recursion 23.52.03 # Menu recursion is blocked afaik 23.52.52 # Sub browsers don't allow entering the main menu 23.52.59 # try that key sequence on iriver hxx0 (or iaudio x5) 23.53.32 # Context menu should be allowed, 'cause it's very handy for deleting unwanted plugins/ fonts/ whatever 23.53.59 # and from the context menu, you can enter the menu again 23.54.12 # Hmm 23.54.17 # * amiconn wonders why 23.54.32 # just try that key sequence 4 times and back out, it's really funny. Do keep the paperclip handy 23.54.36 # The only place where the context menu needs to allow entering the main menu is the Ondio wps 23.55.19 # * petur didn't know rockbox could make file extensions blink 23.55.46 # Nothing blinking here 23.55.51 # if anyone sees jhmikes around tell him we found the cause of the infinte loop in audio_stop on the gigabeat port. It was a bad pre-processor conditional that made yield and empty function, and so the while(playing ..) yield(); was keeping the processor too busy to not be playing 23.55.56 # After about the 5th time it just locked up 23.56.17 # No paperclip required on X5 though 23.56.18 # amiconn: I started pressing left after the 4th loop