--- Log for 17.12.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 16 hours ago 00.00.10 # licence wise 00.00.24 # yeah, they are a bit problematic. We can't just add a copyright notice. 00.00.37 # and, what license do they have? GFDL? 00.00.52 # I think pixelma is fine with the gfdl for her work. But, we should state this somewhere. 00.01.02 # svg is xml after all. Not sure whether there is provision for a copyright notice though 00.01.19 # And not simply for the generated docs, but for the raw graphic files. 00.01.24 # but that doesn't cover the screenshots 00.01.47 # so, what license would be a screenshot file? 00.01.57 # no, it doesn't. Could we add a COPYING document to the manual source tree? 00.02.09 # i think we should 00.02.52 # we could simply add the GFDL in the manual tree source and add a statement somewhere to also cover the images 00.03.55 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.05.13 # I regret that i didn't keep up with the contact i had with the gnu guys. I got a response which was ok, but not entirely clear. 00.05.34 # I think RL intervened at that time 00.05.43 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 00.06.24 # bluebrother, i got to go. will you be around tomorrow? 00.06.36 # sure. 00.06.44 # kasperle: pin 00.06.47 # *ping 00.06.48 # great :) i'll talk to you then 00.06.55 # I don't have much time to actually do work but I try to hang around often 00.07.10 # np. I can do some work tomorrow 00.07.33 Part tucoz (""sweet dreams"") 00.07.37 # good. cu tomorrow 00.16.19 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 00.16.26 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 00.17.03 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.19.19 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 00.20.27 # linuxstb or Kasperle: the linux isn't able to use the root fs. i get thousands of errors. 00.20.37 # *linux kernel 00.23.22 # derpapst: do you have the userland in partition 3 00.24.37 # i believe the linux kernel is hard coded for the root fs "/" to be partition 3 00.24.57 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 00.25.20 # you can pass an argument to the kernel under the linux loader to use a different root 00.25.34 # derpapst: i dunno if rolo can do that 00.26.44 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.29.07 # i have the root fs at hda3 00.29.34 # before it wasn't there the kernel behaved differently 00.29.47 # maybe it boots from /dev/hda1 00.29.56 # i can double check my bootloader in a sec for ya 00.31.12 # linuxstb: i changed the values in the config-ipod4g.h file only 00.32.31 # linuxstb: no freq scaling and cpu_freq set to 5664800 instead of 1128900 00.33.28 # under the audio thread it says cpu freq 6 Mhz with 0% boost, I played an album of 224k vbr mp3 and half album of 500k ogg no problems 00.33.46 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.33.59 # default values for config-ipod4g says 75Mhz cpu freq 100% boost 00.34.06 # gonna see if it pukes on me 00.34.23 # BiptoN: maybe the kernel has problems with the 2048bytes/sector filesystem 00.34.39 # is it 5.5g? 00.34.45 # yes 00.34.48 # ahhh 00.34.50 # the 80GB model 00.35.03 # so i expected stange behaviour 00.35.14 # but thanks anyways :) 00.35.26 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.37.42 # sure 00.39.49 # heh.. the experimental kernel behaves even worse ^^ 00.40.11 # i have that kernel runnin on my 4g 00.40.12 Quit scorche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.40.18 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 00.40.22 # think i had to add the root parameter to the loader 00.40.38 # Loader2? 00.41.02 # yup 00.41.12 # how is such a parameter looking? 00.41.20 # lemme plug it in and see 00.41.29 # thanks :) 00.41.38 Quit webguest67 ("CGI:IRC") 00.41.47 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 00.42.34 # iPodLinux @ (hd0,2)/boot/vmlinux root=/dev/hda3 quiet 00.43.22 # cool. thanks :) 00.43.54 # np 00.44.04 # i think the double spaces are a must 00.44.13 # i think i read somewhere 00.44.26 # after the kernel 00.44.35 # yes. why-ever ^^ 00.45.09 # i always used getLoader2Args to do that 00.45.16 Nick Everybody|Determ is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 00.54.47 Quit karim ("Ex-Chat") 00.55.08 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.37 Quit DerPapst (Remote closed the connection) 00.58.55 Join mariano_r4 [0] (n=mariano_@200.80.148.2) 01.01.24 Quit barrywardell () 01.03.08 Quit ender` (" Programming is like sex becuse: 19. There’s always someone willing to write about the only right way to do things.") 01.03.44 Join Landus [0] (n=Landus@70-100-181-192.dsl1-erie.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) 01.04.14 # Nico_P: have you seent he cuessheet wiki page? 01.05.14 # works rockbox's firmware for ipod video 5g 30, version MA446LL ? 01.05.37 # is a question 01.06.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.06.34 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.179.85) 01.07.56 # jhonny deep version 01.08.50 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.19 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5dd71c560b091eb0) 01.09.43 Part Plouj 01.09.57 Join SimonSelki [0] (n=SimonSel@ppp-70-249-40-184.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) 01.10.21 # Man, this is amazing! 01.10.53 # When I run Mp3s above 200kbps or so, Rockbox gets a little skippy. It's expected 01.11.06 # but I can't believe how awesome the FLAC playbac is! 01.11.14 # It's friggin' amazing! 01.11.29 # at like 700+ kbps, it's still fluid as hell 01.11.45 # * linuxstb hugs ffmpeg's FLAC decoder 01.12.11 # It's too bad FLACs are so huge, my nano is only 4 gigs 01.13.17 Quit bluebrother ("sleep ...") 01.13.40 # works rockbox firmware for ipod video 5g "jhonny deep" ? 01.13.45 # please 01.13.48 # answers 01.14.51 # mariano_r4: I don't even know what "jhonny deep" is 01.16.51 # But Rockbox works on the ipod video 5g (30GB and 60GB models). 01.16.55 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 01.17.15 Quit SimonSelki ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 01.17.54 # and ipod video 5g (30GB and 80GB) ? 01.18.00 Join DerPhil [0] (n=derphil@p57B46122.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.18.13 # No, Rockbox works on the ipod video 5g (30GB and 60GB models). 01.18.25 # ok 01.18.33 Quit netmasta10bt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.38 # thanks 01.20.03 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB39BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.21.36 # why don't works rockbox firmware in ipod video 5g (30GB and 80GB) ? 01.21.44 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 01.21.57 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549676BC.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.21.58 # It works on the 30GB. 01.22.06 # We don't know why it doesn't work on the 80GB. 01.22.08 # rockbox works on the 30GB model 01.22.13 # ok 01.22.15 # great 01.22.54 # What ipod do you own? 01.23.18 # ipod video 30GB version MA446LL 01.23.23 # works ? 01.23.58 # cover "jhonny deep" 01.24.03 # in the box 01.24.19 # works in this ipod ? 01.24.19 # Yes. But if it is new (purchased after September 2006) then you need to use the new installation instructions, not the standard ones in the manual. 01.24.36 # ok 01.25.02 # please, send me the link of instructions 01.25.37 # Download this zip file - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip and follow the instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 01.26.19 Quit lee-qid (Client Quit) 01.26.29 # linuxstb: you should make a post in the NewPorts/5.5G thread 01.27.55 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.29.16 # Bagder: Are you around? 01.29.58 # JdGordon: yes, nice work :) 01.31.29 # linuxstb: do codecs have their own freq settings to them or are they global? 01.31.34 # JdGordon: and there's something you might be interested in: i played with plugins too and i saw that using audio_pre_ff_rewind() made seeking much much faster 01.31.48 Join hotwire__ [0] (n=hotwire@69-17-132-197.kingkom.com) 01.32.47 Quit hotwire__ (Client Quit) 01.34.22 # BiptoN: It's global. But don't believe what you are seeing in the debug screen - your ipod is definitely not decoding audio at 6MHz. I expect that by disabling the adjustable CPU frequency, Rockbox is defaulting to 75MHz. 01.34.44 # yeah, i thought it couldn't handle that at 6 01.34.56 # i'm gonna mess with it a little more 01.34.57 # thanks 01.35.21 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 01.35.26 # flac plays incredible though 01.35.35 # 1% boost 01.35.40 # if that most the time 01.35.42 # 30mhz 01.36.28 # The boost is simply because Rockbox always boosts when reading from disk. The decoder itself could probably run comfortably at less than 30MHz. 01.36.53 # is the tremor decoder from ffmpeg also or vorbis? 01.37.08 Quit Linas5 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.38.43 # linuxstb? 01.38.43 # There's no such organisation as vorbis. But Tremor is one of the official vorbis decoders from Xiph. 01.38.56 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 01.39.41 # webguest05? 01.39.51 # back to ipod nano 2nd gen problem: i have firmware 1.1.1 01.40.06 # osos & aupd is encrypted 01.41.32 # is there maybe a key at offsets 0x5000-0x51ff and 0x161c00-0x161c1ff ? 01.41.44 # linuxstb: in your new ipodinstallation wiki page, there's a line where I think you forgot a "R%", in section e) of step 2, the first use of ipodpatcher 01.41.53 # oops 01.41.54 # I think it has been confirmed that the key is not in the firmware? 01.42.10 # it has to be snooped from the chip I think 01.42.22 # you forgot a "% BR %" (without spaces) 01.42.41 # * SUSaiyan wonders what key everyone is talking about 01.42.43 # webguest05: I haven't looked at it at all, and have no experience with encryption anyway. 01.42.57 # Nico_P: It's a wiki :) 01.43.02 # But I'll fix now, thanks. 01.43.19 # yes the wiki is the key :) 01.43.22 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.43.32 # lol 01.43.39 # linuxstb: i considered doing it, but i thought it would be ridiculous to have a new version for such a small change 01.44.06 # just use the minor change checkbox ;) 01.44.42 # SUSaiyan: hmmm good idea, forgot about that one ;) 01.44.57 # hehe :) 01.45.18 # Nico_P: I've just made a new version for such a small change... 01.45.25 # lol 01.45.26 # formatting is important. 01.45.48 # whats with offsets 0x5000-0x51ff and 0x161c00-0x161c1ff ? only the encrypted parts have such a header... 01.45.56 # linuxstb: aren't small changes merged with previous version when they are from the same author and close in time ? 01.46.02 # As I say in that page, I think we should move it to the manual asap anyway, and remove the install instructions from the wiki. 01.46.08 # the new ipod has encryption? 01.46.16 # yes damn 01.46.19 # yes 01.46.28 # wtf 01.46.30 # why? 01.46.41 # apple wants to make $$$ 01.46.44 # anyway, next time i see a typo i'll correct it right away :) 01.46.58 # they dont need encryption for that 01.47.14 # hell, i now have even less reason to get a 2nd gen ipod ;) 01.47.27 Quit hotwire_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.51.18 # SUSaiyan: I've lost track of what's working for you now. Is the standard install with "-a bootloader-ipodnano.ipod" OK? 01.51.34 Join moozooh [0] (n=moozooh@nat.a12.qwerty.ru) 01.51.38 Part moozooh 01.51.44 # oh right, i was going to try that 01.52.05 # also, to me, OK is when rockbox loads, i dont really care about apple_os 01.52.08 Join Kittt0s [0] (i=Kaa@84.94.86.99) 01.52.09 # Also, did you resize your firmware partition, or is it still the standard size? 01.52.12 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.52.24 # i tried resizing it a couple of times, but it didnt like that 01.52.48 # im guessing that was because of the size thing you told us about 01.54.15 # do you want me to see if the apple_os works when i use -a? 01.55.38 # Yes please - just try a standard install. If that works, I'm happy to release everything. The -wf and apple_os.ipod method can be fixed later. 01.55.48 # allright 01.55.53 # linuystb: ipodpatcher is insanely fast in linux. it transferred 120+MB data to the iPod in less then 2 seconds :D 01.56.08 # gg 01.56.13 # Are you sure it transferred it? Check the disk activity icon on your ipod's LCD. 01.56.29 # I find that it's still active, long after Linux has told me it's done. 01.56.35 # sync is your friend 01.56.44 # yes. after eject /dev/sdb the appleos loaded normally 01.57.05 # 120mb of data in 2 sec is faily impossible.. 01.57.41 # JdGordon: have you seen my previous messages to you ? 01.57.46 # i did 01.58.34 # also is it normal that your plugin doesn't work in the H300 sim ("failed to create thread") ? 01.58.37 # I'll have a pay with that prescan thing, but the mentioned bugs on the wiki are more imporant 01.58.49 # yes, threads dont work correctly in the sim apparently 01.59.04 # I might pull the thread out, because I dont tihnk its actually needed 01.59.16 # ok, it's sad because i have to boot windows to be able to transfer things to my H300 01.59.28 # ah, that would be nice :) 01.59.40 # why? 01.59.52 # why what ? 02.00.00 # havin to boot into windows 02.00.02 # is there a tool like euPOD for rockbox to boost the volume of mp3's or isn't it necessary? 02.00.08 Quit DerPhil (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.00.32 # JdGordon: linux doesn't allow me to mount it... I/o errors 02.00.45 # :( 02.00.58 # never found a way to make it work apart from once where i got lucky, it juste started working out of nowhere 02.01.19 # windows doesn't complain about it at all 02.01.25 Quit barrywardell () 02.01.49 # ok, well the thread at the moment is useless, so you could comment the thread creation out and use the sim 02.02.04 # ok 02.02.07 # I dont think i'l have much chance to play with it today 02.02.09 # about audio_pr_ff_rewind: it's very easy to use... it just has to ba added to the plugin API and then be called with no arguments right before audio_ff_rewind 02.02.31 # and you have almost instantaneous seeking :) 02.02.40 # didnt you say that just pauses playpack? 02.02.57 # well that's what i thought but it seems to do more than that 02.03.04 # great 02.03.29 # linuxstb: still around? 02.03.29 # i think that in fact it pauses the PCM buffer or something like that, which appears to make a difference 02.03.38 # SUSaiyan: Yes. 02.03.43 # allright 02.03.56 # linuxstb: with -a, both work perfectly 02.04.20 # Nico_P: in that case, I wonder why the call is even needed? it sounds like it shhuold be part of the aduio_ff_rewind() call 02.04.23 # and apple os loads both with the apple_os.ipod AND from its firmware partition 02.04.36 # depending on whats there 02.04.56 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.04.57 # so yes, it works perfectly 02.05.02 # JdGordon: when it's used, it's surrounded by ifdefs, so i think it's specific to SWCODEC targets 02.05.18 # i'll have a closer look 02.05.37 # SUSaiyan: Have you tried -wf again? 02.05.55 # again? 02.05.55 # i'm saying all this based on what i remember from when i looked at the code 02.06.01 # k 02.06.03 Quit matsl ("Riece/2.0.2 XEmacs/21.5-b27 (fiddleheads, linux)") 02.06.12 # * DerPapst is trying -wf right now 02.06.12 # back in a few min 02.06.26 # are you making changes to your code atm ? 02.06.29 # SUSaiyan: I mean, were your successful tests with -wf or without? 02.06.31 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.179.85) 02.06.35 # did you update again or did i miss something 02.06.54 # well if i use -wf, only rockbox works 02.07.19 # with -a. everything works, like i told you above 02.09.55 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.10.04 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.10.37 # No, I didn't update anything. I was just wondering if you had tried again, just in case something odd happened the earlier times. 02.11.00 # well ive used it lots of times, but i never noticed a difference 02.11.03 # linuxstb: i have a 125MB backup of my firmware partition. if i put that back to my ipod with -w should the iPod then ask me about the language? It's like all settings have been resetted 02.11.04 # But at least the steps described in the installation instructions work. Thanks for the tests. 02.11.14 # youre welcome :) 02.11.37 # now lets see how i can shrink this darn firmware partition 02.12.39 # and i'm 100% sure i've transferred the complete bootpartition.bin back. it hasn't done that before 02.12.41 # DerPapst: Yes, I noticed that with my Photo. Not sure why.... 02.12.49 # odd 02.13.06 # But I never use the Apple firmware, so never go past that language screen... 02.13.15 # with ipodpatcher0.4 it didn't happen to me. 02.13.31 # heh.. i have no choice... yet 02.13.50 # but to be honest i like the applefirmware 02.15.02 # yeah its nice, other then that it will not play so many formats and requires itunes 02.15.08 Quit akaias (Connection reset by peer) 02.15.48 # i only have mp3 and aac/mp4 and i like itunes too ;) 02.16.02 # lol 02.16.08 # ive got mp3 and oggs 02.16.10 # Why are you here then? :) 02.16.20 # and i dont like itunes :P 02.16.32 # i like to play around with the ipod. 02.16.33 # well its nice sure, but i dont have that everywhere 02.16.41 Quit scorche (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.53 # Rockbox is everything the AppleOS isn't. I can't imagine people liking both... 02.17.04 # linuxstb: any idea how i can tell cfdisk what cluster size to use? 02.17.11 # i've never used rockbox. 02.17.27 # i have a 3G and rockbox doesn't work on that very well 02.17.55 # besides that my 3G is half dead 02.18.23 Part mariano_r4 02.19.17 # and after playing around with rockbox on my 3G i was confused about the button mapping. i wasn't able to go back to the filebrowser. 02.19.28 # lol 02.19.34 # yeah it can be a bit weird 02.19.36 # menu toggles between the menu and the filetree 02.19.47 # not always 02.20.12 # it goes to the menu below the current menu aswell 02.20.35 # i like the solution of podzilla more. a mainmenu and there is is the filebrowser and a settings-option 02.20.39 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@c-76-16-18-102.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.20.56 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.21.12 # ok, menu will exit out of your current selection if you are an end-point, a decision point, in the menu, else it toggles between the menu and the filetree. 02.21.41 # DerPapst: how do you get from the menu system to the filebrowser in IPL? 02.22.02 # what filebrowser..? 02.22.17 # for the main problem is the lack of buttons on the ipods, it makes dedicated use buttons "expensive" and thus most all button actions are context sensitive. 02.22.23 # it's a menu entry right in the main menu. 02.22.59 # "it" being filetree? 02.23.00 # apple os seems to do fine with dedicated buttons ;) 02.23.11 # SUSaiyan: apple os has less features. 02.23.12 # but anyways... the controls are confusing on 3G iPods... the buttonlayout is optimized for ipod with clickwheel 02.23.25 # not that much less 02.23.38 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.23.39 # SUSaiyan: take that back. 02.23.45 # i will not. 02.23.50 # SUSaiyan: And no shortcuts between screens. I just found myself going up and down the tree structure to do things one button would do in Rockbox. 02.23.50 # Soap: yes. 02.24.29 # shortcuts? 02.24.57 # e.g. from the "now playing screen" to the main menu. 02.25.12 Quit menosm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.25.15 # thats where the menu buttons comes in? 02.25.31 # But it's been more than a year since I used it, so I've forgotten the exact examples. 02.25.52 # been about 4 months here ^^ 02.26.10 # i have only had this ipod for like 5, so yeah 02.26.17 # Soap: imagine a mainmenu with the entries "Music >", "Filebrowser >", "Settings >" and so on, 02.26.32 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.26.53 # Soap: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:Ipodg42.jpg 02.27.15 # linuxstb: do you know how to resize the partition without messing it up? 02.27.40 # Yes. Resize it. Don't mess it up. 02.27.44 # lol 02.27.48 # hahahaha 02.27.57 # thanks, that was very useful :) 02.27.58 # SUSaiyan: does the Apple OS have any of the following? Themes? Saveable config sets? Replaygain? Crossfeed? Crossfade? Para EQ? Filetree AND Database navigation? Selectable fonts? Playlist generation 1/10th that of Rockbox's? Last.fM logging? Selectable stereo channels? Selectable balance? Selectable Stereo width? Peakmeters? Selectable codepage? Selectable scrollbars? Selectable idle poweroff? Selectable sleep timer? 02.28.39 # of course 02.28.39 # not 02.28.41 # SUSaiyan: partition magic for windows really is nice. 02.28.51 # does it NEED most of that? 02.28.52 # SUSaiyan: and you can find older versions often for cheap./ 02.29.05 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.29.06 # also, i have partition magic 8 legally 02.29.06 # SUSaiyan: why are you here? 02.29.19 # but it doesnt detect my ipod :P 02.29.31 # does windows? 02.29.32 # SUSaiyan: The first step is to get a working firmware partition using only a small part of the total size. After that, you can resize it (I would use fdisk under Linux). 02.29.35 # because i dont like itunes ;) 02.30.00 # SUSaiyan: yamipod, ephpod, foopod, anapod, sharepod 02.30.11 # mediamonkey, winamp 02.30.19 # Partiotion Magic has problems detecting USB devices :( 02.30.22 # i dont have any of those on a random computer somewhere 02.30.24 # SUSaiyan: Rockbox is not an iTunes replacement. 02.30.28 # afaik partition magic don't like usb drives 02.30.29 # like at school 02.30.34 # Version 7 also doesn't work 02.30.41 # SUSaiyan: Easiest method to create a suitable firmware partition is to use the "scramble" utility from Rockbox. I think DerPapst has a Windows binary somewhere. 02.30.47 # SUSaiyan: they ALL (with the exception of anapod) can be run FROM the iPod. 02.30.58 # so you have all of them anywhere. 02.31.10 # i have :) 02.31.17 # and i want to be able to just dump a file on there and play it. 02.31.26 # SUSaiyan: they all let you do that. 02.31.42 # eh, ill need to run it wont i? 02.32.01 # can someone tell me where the german voice files are? 02.32.04 # but he has to use the -ipodXg option then? 02.32.05 # i cant just go like *copy file to ipod* *unplug and listen* 02.32.41 # DerPapst: Yes, with one of the old bootloader.bin files. But I could provide a .bin version of the latest bootloader. 02.32.56 # scramble? 02.33.11 # SUSaiyan: Rockbox comes will all the features (and more) I listed above. If you don't think a DAP firmware needs all that, AND you want drag-and-drop, you own the wrong player. 02.33.29 # Soap: hey, i didnt buy it, i got it from work ;) 02.33.34 # then sell it. 02.33.38 # nah, its nice 02.33.45 # SUSaiyan: Yes, it has the ability to create a full firmware partition image containing only the Rockbox bootloader. About 60KB... 02.34.09 # hmm, isnt that what the -wf option should do? 02.34.10 # dan_a: any luck testing crt0 on your 3g? 02.34.15 # You then write it using "ipodpatcher N -w bootloader.img". 02.34.54 # SUSaiyan: No, the -wf just replaces the main firmware image inside the partition - it deliberately doesn't touch the RSRC, AUPD and HIBE images. 02.35.06 # ah 02.36.11 # SUSaiyan: what model do you have? 02.36.15 # nano 02.36.18 Quit zylche (Connection timed out) 02.36.29 # first gen, 4GB, black ;) 02.36.30 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 02.36.53 # :) 02.37.17 # do you want to have the scramble tool? 02.37.31 # also, Soap, i do like that it has those features, but i just dont like the way the menu is put together compared to the apple os 02.37.47 # DerPapst: yes please :) 02.37.50 # * DerPapst agrees 02.38.14 # the rockbox menu works quite similarly to the apple menu. 02.38.16 # you are on win x86? 02.38.27 # a nested tree with selectable options at the end./ 02.38.37 # win, lin, whatever you wish ;) 02.38.39 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-150-178.dyn-dsl.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 02.38.50 # just as long as its not 64 bits ;P 02.38.53 # or a mac 02.38.57 # ok 02.39.08 # SUSaiyan: Do you have a copy of the Rockbox source? 02.39.16 # i do not 02.39.20 # If so, you'll find scramble in the tools/ directory. 02.39.31 # im lazy and just randomly download daily builds 02.40.00 # are you ob windows atm? 02.40.05 # *on 02.40.10 # on my other computer, yes 02.40.22 # so you are on linux now? 02.40.28 # on this computer, yes ;) 02.40.41 # thats what i wanted to know ;) 02.40.49 # but send me the win one :P 02.40.55 # http://www.felixbruns.de/paste/index.php?id=32 02.40.58 # ive got the rest of the ipod stuff there too 02.41.03 # the sourcecode 02.41.09 # thatll do 02.41.09 # ok 02.41.11 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.41.15 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 02.41.16 # ok² 02.41.19 # lol 02.41.28 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-150-178.dyn-dsl.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 02.41.45 # lol, stop sign 02.43.47 # every good "messing-around-with-the-ipod's-firmware"-tool has it ;) 02.44.19 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-24-175-97-250.houston.res.rr.com) 02.44.39 # hehe 02.45.25 # now, what exactly should i do with this 02.46.04 # scramble -ipod4g bootloader.bin new_firmware.bin 02.46.08 # Llorean: The links on the IpodInstallationBeta page don't work yet... 02.46.26 # but you need an older bootloader 02.46.31 # hmm, older? :/ 02.46.49 # i just got used to this one, hehe 02.46.52 # You just need to remove the first 8 bytes from bootloader-ipodnano.ipod 02.46.52 # linuxstb: Ah, I didn't check the links... I just assumed if they were there, they'd work. =/ Sorry, lemme go correct my statement. 02.46.59 # yes.. not one with the new *.ipod format 02.47.04 # ah 02.47.14 # whats the first 8 bytes? 02.47.15 # Llorean: They'll work next time I see Bagder around.... 02.47.23 # ask linuxstb about them 02.47.26 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.48.02 # SUSaiyan: The difference between the old ".bin" format the scramble expects, and the .ipod format used by the new ipodpatcher. A checksum and a four-character model identifier. 02.48.19 Quit daveyfx2 (Remote closed the connection) 02.48.56 # of course one could just change scramble to ignore the first 8 bytes 02.49.31 # right? ^^ 02.49.35 Join graveyrd [0] (n=grave@CABLE-72-53-23-158.cia.com) 02.49.38 # linuxstb: It doesn't matter, apparently the ipod_fw.exe link works if you actually type it properly, anyway. I'm not sure why it has the invalid character in it. 02.49.57 # Be back in a bit 02.49.59 Nick Llorean is now known as Llorean-away (n=Llorean@cpe-24-175-97-250.houston.res.rr.com) 02.50.01 Part Llorean-away 02.50.35 # SUSaiyan: Yes, one could do that. 02.50.47 Quit webguest05 ("CGI:IRC") 02.50.58 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 02.51.05 # cant be that hard >.> 02.51.21 # If you have Linux, it's trivial though - just do "dd if=file.ipod bs=1 skip=8 of=file.bin" 02.51.39 # oh right *cough* 02.52.13 # Or "tail --bytes=XXXXXX file.ipod > file.bin" where XXXXX is the size of the file in bytes minus 8. 02.53.49 # heh, i didnt know tail could do bytes 02.55.27 # gcc -o sleep sleep.c 02.55.28 # ./sleep --DerPapst 02.55.33 # good night 02.55.49 # hehe, night 02.55.50 Part DerPapst 02.56.25 # okay so i can now just dd this bin file onto the firmware partition? 02.56.37 # the one scramble generated that is 02.57.18 # Yes. 02.58.54 # okay, it still boots, now to resize the partition 02.58.57 Join netmasta10bt [0] (n=torment@pool-72-64-226-37.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 03.00.37 # hmm, it seems to like calling it sda1 instead of sda2 03.00.52 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A8301F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.03.57 # yeah okay fdisk just messed up the partition table 03.04.43 # fdisk did exactly what you told it to do... 03.05.06 # Did you save a copy of your partition table? 03.05.46 Quit graveyrd () 03.06.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.06.23 # hehe, no ^^ 03.06.45 # but thats okay, ill just restore it again :) 03.06.57 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/mbr-nano4gb.bin 03.07.07 # dd if=mbr-nano4gb.bin of=/dev/sda 03.07.14 # or that 03.07.36 # Then I would unplug it, then reattach. 03.08.56 Quit barrywardell () 03.09.34 # or eject :) 03.09.53 # well the partition table is back to normal now 03.10.39 # Just change it so the first partititon is from 1 to 1, and the second is from 2 to the end. Make sure everything else looks the same (use p to display it before the changes, then p again at the end and compare). 03.11.28 # bloody hell copying stuff across a 10mbit LAN is slow 03.11.54 # Burning to DVD could be faster... 03.12.07 # oh now i see whats wrong, cfdisk just calls the empty partition empty space, and not a partition 03.12.38 # Use fdisk. 03.12.48 # I know for sure fdisk will work. 03.12.54 # linuxstb: it would be, but the destination comp doesnt hve a dvd rom 03.13.18 # Move the hard drive between computers? :) 03.13.47 # cant be bothered :p 03.14.37 # Any progress with the cue plugin? I'm looking forward to trying it, but the buglist seems too long at the moment. 03.14.58 # havnt had a chance today to pay with it, probably wont be any progress untill tomorow 03.15.46 # linuxstb: fdisk did work, i was just hoping cfdisk wouldnt be less smart, but unfortunately it was 03.16.10 # It's stupidity is fdisk's strength. It lets you do anything. 03.16.29 # Strictly speaking, cfdisk is correct - the first partition is empty space. 03.17.19 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 03.17.21 # true, but it would have been nice if i could set a partition to type 00 03.17.24 # it wouldnt let me do that 03.17.58 # and damn disk mode is slow 03.17.58 # That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it. 03.18.30 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.18.34 # hehe 03.18.36 # are you serious linuxstb? 03.19.00 # About what? 03.19.31 # too bad 1 cylinder is 8mb 03.19.37 # That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it. 03.19.56 Quit amigan ("upgrading FreeBSD") 03.20.32 # SUSaiyan: fdisk lets you specify the size in sectors or MB I think, but I've no idea what's "legal". You could try reducing it and see what happens. 03.20.59 # Soap: Do you think otherwise? 03.21.04 # it doesnt change it to a legal setting? 03.21.21 # SUSaiyan: I don't know. 03.21.22 # i know that in cfdisk it just resizes it so that it fits 03.21.35 # so does partition magic actually 03.21.39 # linuxstb: I never thought that hard about it. I always assumed it was due to lack of effort, not intentional crippeling. 03.22.15 # It's not crippling, it's safety. So that it's not accidentally deleted. If it was another type, I'm guessing Windows (and maybe MacOS) would offer to format it for you. 03.22.48 # indeed, youre not even supposed to know its there ^^ 03.25.51 Join menosm [0] (n=menosm__@user-11fadfo.dsl.mindspring.com) 03.25.59 # you know, I just realized that we are talking about two different things, linuxstb, due to a missread on my part. 03.26.27 # hehe 03.26.29 # I took that line of yours as a response to the line directly above it. 03.26.29 # and damn disk mode is slow 03.26.29 # That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it 03.26.44 # haha :D 03.27.07 # now why would disk mode be slow ;) 03.27.45 # also, is there any word about a usb driver yet? :/ 03.28.22 # There seems to be USB progress on the Sansa, which also has a PortalPlayer CPU. 03.28.52 # So maybe something useful for the ipods could come from there. 03.32.21 # neat 03.33.02 # why is the usb so hard anyway? 03.35.30 # JdGordon: are you back ? 03.36.11 # SUSaiyan: Zero documentation. 03.36.46 Join amigan [0] (i=dcp1990@unaffiliated/amigan) 03.38.33 Join Llorean-away [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-24-175-97-250.houston.res.rr.com) 03.38.50 # Nico_P: hey 03.39.27 # JdGordon: i took your cue viewer and made a few changes based on my experiments 03.39.53 # i now have a viewer which displays a menu with all the tracks in the cue, allowing to seek to them :) 03.40.01 # haha, nice 03.40.08 # and the seeking is almost immediate 03.40.20 # awesome 03.40.36 # have you made changes to the code that's on the wiki ? 03.40.50 # no 03.41.10 # ok 03.41.34 # i'll put a patch on the wiki when i go to bed 03.41.55 # great 03.42.14 # if you want to see, i can send one to you 03.42.32 # busy at the moment... ill check it out when you upload it 03.42.36 # ok 03.42.43 # hum, this isnt good 03.43.03 # Data arbort at 0002C554 03.43.16 # when attempting to play music 03.43.27 # JdGordon: how do i choose which entry of a menu is selected when i show the menu ? 03.43.57 # that way i can test your find_current_track and maybe debug it if needed 03.44.33 # SUSaiyan: What format music, what player, etc? 03.44.54 # Nico_P: the best way is to use a list instead of a menu 03.45.09 # any format, ipod nano 1st gen, 4gb 03.45.16 # ah 03.45.21 # its a bit harder to set up, but still farily easy to ue 03.45.39 # SUSaiyan: Define "any", as I doubt you've tried every single format Rockbox supports. 03.45.40 # i'll look into that, but is there an easy way to select the default menu entry ? 03.45.52 # okay okay, ogg and mp3 03.46.11 # SUSaiyan: Also, what day's CVS or daily build are you using, and which sort is it? 03.46.27 # Nico_P: I dont tihnk so 03.46.35 # yesterdays daily build (well, 8 hours ago) 03.46.46 # with linuxstb's new bootloader :P 03.47.09 # :( 03.47.35 # ah, got it : it must be menu_set_cursor :) 03.48.01 # Nico_P: that current track code was done at like 12.30am, so its failry liekly to make no sense at all :D 03.48.11 # SUSaiyan: Try using a CVS build, and clear settings upon reboot using the hold-switch method (assuming that still works), and make sure you've replaced the codecs when installing it. 03.48.32 # JdGordon: i'll soon know more :) 03.48.42 # :) 03.49.29 # Llorean-away: Have you tried the latest bootloader and ipodpatcher on your Nano? Files are here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip 03.49.43 Nick Llorean-away is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@cpe-24-175-97-250.houston.res.rr.com) 03.50.02 # linuxstb: I can't right now, unfortunately. 180 miles from home 03.50.43 # You probably read in the logs that I implemented your hold-switch idea. 03.51.08 # I noticed something like that, yeah. :) 03.51.35 # linuxstb: did you actually try if you could still play music? ;) 03.51.42 # linuxstb Does apple_os.ipod work? 03.51.55 # I remember the old attempt at trying that failed horribly. 03.51.56 # not on the nano :/ 03.51.59 # SUSaiyan: No, but no-one else has complained... 03.52.05 # okay 03.52.13 # must just be me then 03.52.28 # of course im also the only one that used the scramble thing, id guess 03.52.40 # Llorean: It seems to, but SUSaiyan had problems with that as well... That's why I'm curious to get results from other Nanos. 03.53.01 # linuxstb: I'll test as fully as I can when I get home, but it won't be 'till after the weekend. 03.53.11 # SUSaiyan: Does it freeze when you try to play music with Apple_OS? 03.53.19 # what apple_os :P 03.53.50 # linuxstb: I remember it froze up on USB insert, or when you tried to run music 03.53.52 # sound does work in the metronome plugin though 03.54.13 # SUSaiyan: Did you follow my instructions re using a newer build and making sure to clear the settings? 03.54.29 # i am right now 03.54.31 # I've had on some rare cases my Nano continually data abort until I cleared its settings. 03.54.35 # but disk mode is slow as hell 03.54.44 # That's why you keep Apple OS around. :-P 03.54.47 # i did clear the settings before that though 03.55.06 # meh, the apple os uses 80mb :P 03.55.28 # that is an album. 03.55.39 # Or two FLACs... 03.56.08 # I guess since I only really use my Nano for exercising, I don't feel the need to even fill it. 03.56.34 # well its not filled with music, but i use it for other stuff too :) 03.59.04 # JdGordon: yeah, find_current_track was a bit wrong ;) 04.02.56 # my god, why the hell is disk mode so slow 04.04.48 # That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it ;) 04.05.00 # hehe, thats what i was thinking too ;) 04.05.24 # Are you serious? 04.05.33 # lol 04.05.54 # What ever happened to that one person who consistently maintained he got full speed transfers in disk mode? 04.06.31 # he does get full speed transfers, however, usb is called high speed 04.06.32 # linuxstb: I was trying to turn my earlier misunderstanding into a joke. 04.06.38 # ;) 04.06.45 # Llorean: did that one person have USB 1.1 only? 04.06.58 # Soap: in case you didnt notice, he copy pasted your response ;P 04.07.19 # doh 04.07.22 # usb 2 is called high speed* 04.07.29 # Soap: No, they were reporting transfer speeds the same as I got in-Apple. 04.07.37 # must be nice. 04.07.56 # SUSaiyan: I was using "Full speed" as in "The full speed that the iPod can transfer at" rather than the USB Full Speed. 04.08.50 # * linuxstb goes to sleep 04.08.53 # Goodnight. 04.08.58 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 04.11.11 # hehe, okay 04.11.20 # also, updating fixed the error 04.11.22 # thanks :) 04.12.14 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 04.13.48 # hmm, it would be kind cool that if theres ever a usb driver, it could both play music and let it be used as disk 04.13.55 # kinda* 04.15.03 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.15.08 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.15.13 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.15.48 # heh, one read error and it marks it unable to be read? wth? 04.17.12 Join DreamThief316 [0] (n=mathias@p54A83B03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 04.17.24 Nick DreamThief316 is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A83B03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 04.17.36 Part Llorean 04.20.44 # bbl 04.30.41 Quit DreamThief|off (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.32.05 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-24-175-97-250.houston.res.rr.com) 04.34.42 Join BlackMoon [0] (i=joel@S01060011d854851c.gv.shawcable.net) 04.34.51 # where do i download ipod drivers for windows? 04.35.59 # you don't need them. 04.41.12 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 04.41.17 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 04.45.41 # Nico_P: can I see your changes? I'm bored 04.46.06 # JdGordon: i'll make a patch for you 04.50.10 Part Llorean 04.53.25 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.55.33 # where do i download ipod drivers for windows? 04.56.50 Quit neutrino ("http://www.outpost-universe.net/") 04.59.21 Join t0dk0n [0] (n=todkon@adsl-70-231-230-225.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 05.00.36 # Blackmoon: http://www.rockbox.org/download/ 05.00.47 # BlackMoon: why do you think you need them? Windows sees your iPod as a generic UMS device. Do you have windows 98? 05.01.05 Join chrisjs [0] (n=opera@pool-71-254-201-51.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) 05.03.24 # I got a problem 05.04.11 # When using the zip file for the Sansa on the CVS builds page, I get an error message saying 05.04.14 # Grr 05.04.17 # Keep pressing enter 05.04.29 # 'No partition found. Insert USB calbe and fix it' 05.06.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.07.11 Quit BiptoN (Remote closed the connection) 05.08.51 # make a partition then? :) 05.10.59 Join BiptoN [0] (n=BiptoN@dsl092-050-020.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 05.11.42 # That's generally what I'd do but the partition already exists. 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08.32.14 # * JdGordon enjoys talkign to self 08.32.24 # stupid typos 08.32.55 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 08.33.59 # JdGordon: Balme teh keybaord ;) 08.34.12 # I will continue to do so :D 08.46.20 Quit myzar|away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.46.28 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.46.33 Join myzar|away [0] (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 08.55.01 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.57.07 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.06.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.15.31 Join alsaf [0] (i=3efc8012@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3f31626c6f406192) 09.16.55 # hi 09.17.46 Quit GliTch_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.18.42 # is anybody working on rockbox for th Sansa E200 series? 09.19.13 # a whole bunch is 09.21.03 # Does it matter what model of player you get? 09.21.18 # yes, we're not yet running on the R model 09.21.21 # hmm, it seems some interesting commits happened in the night (synchronous queues) 09.21.26 # models rather 09.21.27 # I was thinking of trying to get the 2gig model cheap in the january sales 09.22.12 # and of course, rockbox doesn't yet have sound on the sansa ;-) 09.22.52 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 09.22.56 # * amiconn still doesn't understand the purpose of synchronous queue 09.23.21 # amiconn: did you check the playback.c changes? 09.23.21 # When it needs to be synchronous, why use a queue in the first place, instead of just executing the code? 09.23.37 # Yes, but I don't understand them 09.23.38 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.23.44 # hmm, i think lostlogic had reasons for it.. 09.24.26 # As I already have a MP3 player I will be using it for mucking about with rocbox 09.24.38 # I still don't understand the whole swcodec playback system well enough 09.25.12 # It seems more complicated than I think it needs to be 09.25.13 # amiconn: but mutexes would have done the same thing (that is what i was using originally) 09.25.25 # but now there is no mutexes but other mechanisms to do the locking 09.27.36 # how is anyway I can identify the model so I don't buy the wrong one? 09.27.53 # Somehow I need to understand this monster :/ 09.28.01 # sorry is there anyway I can identify the sansa model so I don't buy the wrong one? 09.28.05 # alsaf: the R models are "Rhapsody" ones and they are called something like e250R etc 09.28.48 # they have a different encryption key that we haven't yet extracted 09.30.34 # Slasheri: Btw, I found what was wrong with my problematic flac folder 09.31.16 # amiconn: hmm, what was it? 09.31.17 # Somehow linux managed to mangle the file data of several files after some point during the usb transfer 09.31.34 # hmm, that's weird 09.32.03 # E.g. the first problematic file (~19MB) was okay until ~11MB, subsequent data was completely disjunct from what should be there 09.32.28 # I retransferred the files using windows, and the whole folder plays fine 09.33.22 # So the codec ran into a decoding error, and skipped to the next file (and produced a short audible glitch) 09.33.49 # But this shows that the decoding error handling needs some work 09.34.26 # There was no visible indication that something was wrong with the file, and in one case the decoding error even confused the playback engine 09.34.40 # badger: cool. I've read on the sansa forum about certain components are write only. Does this mean write once? 09.34.49 # It played the same (defective) track over and over instead of advancing 09.35.06 Quit alsaf ("CGI:IRC") 09.35.12 Join alsaf [0] (i=3efc8012@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f79c12e19e9119e1) 09.35.13 # amiconn: true.. syslog support would at least provide comprehensive feedback of the errors 09.35.45 # alsaf: write only components? I don't know what that would be 09.35.48 # Nah, I wouldn't want any such logging in standard builds 09.36.02 # UI (main thread) could periodically check if there are any messages in the syslog with higher priority defined by user and display those 09.36.18 # amiconn: debugging messages could be ripped of at compile time 09.36.21 # Badger: The I2C devices 09.36.48 # Logf is good enough for analysing such problems I'd say 09.36.51 # alsaf: ah, no it just means that the devices can't be read from, only written to 09.37.06 # amiconn: but it's not good for notifying user about problems 09.38.22 # and for example printing anything directly from playback thread is very problematic 09.38.29 # but with syslog that would be easy 09.39.03 # I would think just setting a flag (e.g. in the metadata) that a decoding error happened should be enough 09.39.03 Quit alsaf (Client Quit) 09.39.14 Join alsaf [0] (i=3efc8012@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5e8b0504d658cd0c) 09.40.19 # but there are many other error situations too that should be reportable 09.40.21 # badger: so anything can be done to sansa player and it can be backed out? 09.40.28 # such as failure to load codec etc. 09.40.47 Quit gotthardt ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 09.42.30 # alsaf: well, we proceed in an as safe way as possible so installing Rockbox will be pretty safe. We can of course never guarantee anything 09.50.18 Join bluebrother [0] (i=q4gpAkAW@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 09.53.43 # badger: no worries, I understand. I currently have a H120 running rocbox and I was wondering if there is any programs (apart from rocbox source code) that I could use with H120 that would be helpful when I get Sansa? 09.53.58 # Slasheri: Still... syslog sounds like overkill to me 09.54.10 # Rockbox is an embedded firmware, not a fat client os... 09.54.38 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-043-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.55.09 # hmm, not at all for me.. even tagcache has a _lot_ of possible errors and reporting them all without some centralized message reporting system, would be very complex 09.56.59 # for standard builds only critical/fatal errors and important notifys could be included, while debug build could include everything 09.57.24 Join webguest70 [0] (i=5873b21c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e965f4a41f8e1ac4) 09.57.46 # for example syslog(SYSLOG_DEBUG, "Some error: %s", ...); would be easy to rip off for a standard build 09.58.17 # How? 09.58.24 # I started a patch ages ago to revamp the logf functions, its proabbly still on the dev mailing list if your interested... 09.58.29 # with simple pre-processor defines? 09.59.28 # Bagder: Somewhat unrelated... shouldn't we have the rockbox 5th anniversary around these days, or do I remember wrong? 09.59.45 # seems about right... 10.00.29 # Date: 2001-12-07 10.00.29 # Slasheri: How would you ifdef out only some syslog calls? 10.00.45 # we're overdue! 10.00.48 # oh 10.01.36 # 10 days late, but happy bday rockbox! 10.05.22 # Is anyone interested in the .cue plugin? I think its working about as well as can be expected now 10.06.00 # thanks for answering questions for me Badger, amiconn much appreciated. 10.07.00 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.07.05 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 10.07.40 # I'll muck about with the sourcecode for the H120 to get my head round how rockbox works and most likely pick up a sansa after the new year. 10.08.34 # If I'm not back on the forum again soon, I hope everybody has a good christmas and a happy new year 10.08.50 # sorry irc room 10.10.24 Quit alsaf ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.10.36 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 10.12.34 Quit strabes (Client Quit) 10.15.36 # does anyone know what gui_synclist_get_sel_pos() returns when the list item size is more than 1? 10.16.03 # amiconn: detecting the syslog level by pre-processor.. However, i have not yet determined how to implement it 10.16.11 Join webguest77 [0] (i=415c73b2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-31c929c71ae22105) 10.16.33 # hey guys, I'm kinda new to rockbox and I have a few questions, if thats cool 10.17.40 # I have an Ipod video and I have alot of videos and music and stuff, but I really want to keep my music and videos (i have alot of movies and a few series's of shows) 10.17.59 # will rockbox flash my hard drive or will i get to keep my files 10.18.04 # amiconn: or maybe a separate syslog_debug used by debug builds only 10.19.03 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 10.19.23 # ? 10.24.22 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 10.25.21 Join tucoz [0] (i=528676e7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9aba25516bc5b50f) 10.25.24 # dude, is anyone gonna answer? 10.25.34 # webguest77: rockbox will not wipe anything 10.25.56 # you can still boot your ipod fw to play videos etc. 10.26.17 # so like it boots normally and you launch the rockbox? 10.26.42 # The bootloader can boot both rockbox and the original fw 10.27.34 # alright, is the tutorial easy and is this kinda like a basic program or is it alot of code and stuff 10.27.58 # it is easy to install rockbox 10.28.00 # its kinda like basic, on retarted amounts of steroids 10.28.06 # hehe 10.28.08 # alright 10.28.17 # where can i find the best tutorial? 10.28.39 # see the manual, www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 10.28.55 # k 10.29.16 # how well are the emulators like, are they smooth or laggy? 10.29.28 # gameboy? 10.29.39 # gameboy, NES and sega 10.29.56 # we do not have nes and sega emulators 10.30.00 # ah 10.30.03 # anyone know why im getting the "filetype strig buffer empty" error message on boot? 10.30.07 # well then just the gameboy than 10.30.24 # What player do you have? 10.32.25 # Ah, we have doom and spectrum as well 10.32.38 # and some 10.32.39 # And pacbox 10.32.51 # ah, forgot that 10.32.51 # JdGordon: Too many definitions in viewer.c 10.33.01 # viewers.config even 10.33.29 # so they run farily well? 10.33.55 Join webguest05 [0] (i=d554be96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e1d539ae2ca571fd) 10.34.38 # I think so. I only have the h120 which is black and white, so I do not play too much games 10.35.11 # lol, alright 10.35.16 # But i think doom and spectrum is very playable on the most colour targets 10.36.14 # my ipod is realy new and i under stand that there is a risk. if worst comes to worse can i like redo my ipod as in flashing or something to get it back to facory settings? 10.37.07 # I do not think anyone has ruined their ipod because of rockbox 10.37.26 # alright 10.37.31 # yes, ipods can easily be restored as long as you have a windows or mac machine available or if you actually follow the instructions and save a backup of your firmware partition 10.37.47 # webguest77: Installing Rockbox only modifies what's on the hard disk, not what's in flash. iTunes has an option to restore the hard disk to the factory state. 10.37.59 # so when i start my ipod, it starts normally and i boot up rockbox? 10.38.07 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 10.38.32 # it starts either apple firmware or rockbox, depending on what key you press 10.38.34 # webguest77: Rockbox installs a dual-boot bootloader. 10.38.56 # * linuxstb pings Bagder (or someone with access to download.rockbox.org) 10.39.12 # but i´ll leave the rest to linuxstb, as he is the ipod guru 10.39.14 # oh so like for example; I'd press play and it starts as ipod and i pess menu and it starts as rockbox? 10.39.51 # something like that, i think 10.39.59 # or the other way around actualkly 10.40.00 # With the new version of the bootloader I'm about to release, you turn the hold switch on to boot into Apple's firmware, and do nothing to boot into Rockbox. 10.40.28 # webguest77: if you use linux, just use dd to backup the system partition 10.40.41 # linuxstb: will that not be even more "confusing" than resetting the settings? 10.40.52 # webguest77: you can't really broke your ipod, at worst you just need to restore that partition (can be done with itunes also) 10.40.57 # and you might lose all your music 10.41.20 # so i press play normally for rock box and switch the hold apple? 10.41.22 # n1s: At least it's harmless. 10.41.50 # sure ;-) 10.42.00 Join bluebrother^ [0] (i=foobar@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.43.14 # linuxstb: I hope the bootloader is able to detect the non-presence of the apple firmware, and doesn't try to boot into it when hold is on 10.43.20 # _That_ would be confusing 10.44.26 # so i kinda take that as a yes 10.44.48 # but for whats released right now how do you switch back and fouth? 10.46.23 # linuxstb: Btw, does that apple_os.ipod mean that rolo will also work? 10.46.55 # Maybe you should wiat for linuxstb to release the new bootloader 10.47.01 # And what about the resource image(s)? 10.47.14 # bbl 10.47.16 Part tucoz 10.47.35 # ok 10.47.38 # when should that be released? 10.50.23 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.50.32 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 10.52.25 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 10.55.08 # amiconn: Yes, this version should detect non-presence of the apple firmware. Can you try the current CVS? And no, Rolo doesn't quite work yet - we (myself/dan_a/barrywardell) that it's the most likely because we're not putting the COP into the right state before starting the Apple firmware. 10.56.27 # webguest77: You can try it now if you want. You will need to download this zip file http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip and try to follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta (the download links on that webpage don't work, but the files are in ipodrelease.zip) 10.59.02 # One thing that may be wrong in the bootloader is that the messages could be too big for the Mini and/or Nano. e.g. lines like "Press MENU+SELECT to reboot" and "then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode" which is displayed on a fatal error. 10.59.17 Quit menosm (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 10.59.33 # I dont really have to worry, I have the 80gb video 11.00.00 # amiconn: Also, the resource image(s) stay in the firmware partition. ipodpatcher deliberately doesn't touch anything apart from the main firmware image. 11.00.43 # But I'm really thankful you guys helped me out here, and I guess you guys have someone new in the rockbox comitee. If I need help again I'll know where to come. Thanks alot:) 11.00.55 Part webguest77 11.01.42 Quit rretzbach (Remote closed the connection) 11.02.27 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-002-234.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.06.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.06.47 # guess he's gonna come back when it doesn't work :-P 11.08.16 # linuxstb: Very simple calculation: With the sysfont, the mini can display 13 lines with 23 characters 11.09.00 Quit webguest05 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.12.12 # amiconn: Thanks. So I need to fix the messages... 11.21.07 Join JazzBone [0] (n=jazzbone@cc829402-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 11.21.57 Join webguest11 [0] (i=3ce05e4e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-943e95dcdfb233ef) 11.23.25 # hi i coudlnt find many stable versions of the software, just wondering which model has the best support of this firmware? Cause i have a few blind friends who would love a ipod but cant see them 11.23.39 # and iv tested it out on my H10 iriver but that was quite buggy and rarly worked 11.23.45 # speech i mean didnt work 11.23.48 # any ideas? 11.24.16 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd6b51@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 11.25.15 # We haven't released a version that we would call "stable" for anything apart from the older Archos devices. 11.25.47 # But out of the newer players, the iriver (H1xx and H3xx series) and the iaudio X5 are the most stable. 11.27.00 # H10 and ipods are very similar, and Rockbox doesn't support all the hardware in those players as well as the other devices I just mentioned. 11.27.25 # But I can't comment on how well speech works on any player, as I don't use it. 11.27.33 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 11.28.33 # ok 11.28.36 # cheers 11.28.50 # is there any1 here that is blind and uses it? 11.29.11 Quit kubiix (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.30.15 # I think the mailing list is probably the best way to contact other blind users. 11.30.46 Quit webguest11 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.33.14 # nice :) I managed to setup a pastebin on my uni webspace with has LaTeX syntax highlighting 11.33.41 # I think the Rockbox site should have this ... 11.34.59 # really nice :) 11.37.28 # JdGordon: new test report on your settings rework.... playback option "shuffle - yes" does not shuffle my playlist - at lest if set through the menu (Ondio doesn't have the quickmenu) 11.37.33 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 11.41.38 # also... writing settings disturbs screen updates - because of it being a text it takes a longer time now it is visible for example while playing bubbles and most annoying when running oscilloscope - please consider making it binary as it is in cvs.... 11.41.56 # (resume position I mean) 11.43.29 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host184-169-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.44.32 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 11.47.16 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-065-143.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.49.42 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 11.50.46 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 11.58.04 Quit pixelma ("bbl") 12.02.36 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/staff/tucoz) 12.02.42 # hello 12.03.45 # hi tucoz 12.04.09 Nick bluebrother^ is now known as bluebrother (i=foobar@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 12.04.12 # hello. I read that you had a latex pastebin. cool 12.04.22 # http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/pastebin.php 12.04.42 # I found some code for GeSHi which is used by pastebin and set that up 12.05.21 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 12.05.34 # hopefully someone of the server admins likes the idea of having this on rb.org 12.06.16 # cool 12.06.58 # open source is great :) 12.07.27 # it really is. would be great to have our own pastebin for rockbox 12.08.44 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-150-178.dyn-dsl.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 12.09.15 # what license do you think the screenshots should be under? 12.09.35 # gfdl would work, right? 12.09.51 # I think so. 12.10.21 # Should we set up a COPYING/LICENSE document in the root for the manual source tree? 12.10.33 # s/for/of 12.10.39 # I was thinking if it would be better to have this in the docs folder 12.10.46 # like docs/COPYING-MANUAL 12.10.53 # Have you decided anything about the (C) messages? 12.10.57 # and docs/CREDITS-MANUAL 12.11.15 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.11.17 # no decision yet 12.11.44 # linuxstb, what do you think about that? (the (c) messages) 12.12.32 # bluebrother, that sounds good. 12.13.05 # if we ever start building a tarball of the manual sources we could simply include the docs folder also 12.13.10 # yep 12.14.48 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 12.15.12 # tucoz: I can't think of anything better than what we do in the Rockbox source. i.e. the (C) holder is the person who started the file, or the author of whatever was copied and pasted to create that file. 12.15.41 # like so: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/7 12.15.55 # Yes, but in some cases that is impossible to know. Would it be ok to have (c) The Rockbox Manual team? 12.16.20 # use the "Rockbox Manual Team" for all files with an unknown / unclear copyright holder 12.16.21 # "The Rockbox Manual team" doesn't exist... 12.16.33 # how should it get called otherwise? 12.16.33 # well. we could make one up :) 12.16.36 # as in, there is no legal entity. (IANAL) 12.16.51 # is this necessary? 12.17.03 # i see. so for the old stuff, it is either christ, peter and jose that are the copyright holders 12.17.09 # We could also write "Rockbox Manual Contributors" which are listed in the file named in the header 12.17.11 # christi 12.17.12 # IANAL :) But my feeling is that the (C) holder needs to exist... 12.17.33 # Or "Rockbox Manual contributors". 12.17.49 # bluebrother, sounds good 12.17.59 # i.e. don't capitalise the C. 12.18.24 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4694A.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.18.28 # I seem to recall seeing the phrase "(C) the contributing authors". 12.18.35 # me too 12.18.44 # i think that is in the manual as well :) 12.19.17 # The most important reason for having named people as the copyright holder is that they are the people who can enforce the license. 12.19.55 # yes. but there must legally be possible to have several people as the copyright holders 12.19.59 # for a single file 12.20.16 # Of course. 12.20.58 # I'm just thinking aloud... 12.21.11 # great, then we can use 'The contributing authors', and list those in docs/MANUAL-CREDITS 12.21.23 # Maybe an email to the FSF would be worthwhile, explaining our situation. 12.22.43 # another issue is the copy from wiki -> paste in latex. This is mainly a problem for plugins, but it is a problem as the wiki content has no known license. 12.24.09 # * tucoz just found out that IANAL means something else than I am ANAL 12.24.56 # put in a being there as well 12.26.32 # hehe 12.26.53 # in any case, i think we should decide on something real soon. we have started on this issue several times now, and not come up with anything we could use. 12.27.16 # indeed. 12.27.48 # I guess Febs could help here but I haven't seen him here lately 12.28.13 Part JazzBone 12.28.27 # My suggestion would be a combination of using a name if that file is clearly the work of mostly one person (or maybe two people?), and a generic "contributing author" or "Rockbox Manual contributors" for files where assigning (C) to one particular person doesn't make sense. 12.29.20 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 12.29.50 # here is the response and letter i got from fsf some time ago http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/9 12.30.35 # this is not regarding copyright though 12.31.16 # man, time flies. That is almost 4 months ago 12.32.18 # i should have asked all questions back then 12.32.39 # On a different subject, do either of you own ipods? I'm in need of people to review and improve the new IpodInstallationBeta wiki page, which is a revised set of install instructions for the ipods. 12.32.51 # hmm. But I guess you still could come back to them ;-) 12.33.00 # * bluebrother does only own an h120 12.33.04 # * tucoz too 12.33.10 # I'm hoping that once that page is complete, it can be moved to the manual, and we can delete all the various wiki install pages. 12.33.19 # great :) 12.34.06 # Hi Brett, thanks for your reply ... 12.34.11 # ok, I'm trying to build a list of all manual contributors. Should we list all committers too? 12.34.16 # (4 months later) 12.34.45 # All rockbox committers? 12.34.47 # bluebrother: What do you mean by committers? Everyone that's committed things to the manual CVS? 12.35.06 # yes. Current status here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/10 12.35.56 # as everyone who committed to the manual did at least some work 12.36.16 # Some people may have committed other people's patches, or maybe only made technical changes, rather than content. 12.36.26 # There's a difference between CREDITS and (C) holders... 12.36.30 # I think it's fair to say that those on that list are contributors 12.36.48 # I thought you meant all people with commit access :) 12.37.15 # hmm. Should someone who committed anothers patch be added to a CREDITS file? 12.37.24 # we should add peter schlenker and jose garcia on that list as ell 12.37.25 # as this is not a (c) notice iiuc 12.37.27 # i say no 12.37.34 # to your question 12.37.41 # ok 12.37.49 # as that is no contribution of its own 12.38.23 # I can't imagine that in reality there are many people (any?) in that category though... 12.39.05 # ok, current (incomplete) list: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/11 12.39.10 # i guess not. And if it is, i am pretty sure we have stolen stuff from the wiki with that persons copyright on it anyway 12.39.35 # Thom Johansen should be credited 12.40.22 # I think we can use that list. linuxstb should be credited as well, as he has written at least the ipod install instructions. And rasher also 12.41.06 # Dan wrote something as well, and should be credited 12.41.32 # barrywardell as well. he wrote the h10 stuff 12.42.38 # right ... 14 people now. http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/12 12.42.54 # I really start to like this private pastebin thingy :) 12.43.10 # me too. it's so fast compared to other pastebins 12.43.31 # I think dan=safetydan, not sure though 12.43.52 # we could simply change that list during the next days using the pastebin 12.43.56 # Yep 12.44.10 # Maybe we should ask people on the ml if they feel left out 12.44.50 # right. i credited andrew melville as well for some fixes he made 12.44.58 # sounds like a good idea 12.45.16 # i added him to the list 12.48.55 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496529B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.49.01 # ok ... so for the images. Everyone can reproduce the screenshots, so we could simply call them GFDL, right? 12.49.12 # i think so 12.49.40 # I think the important thing is to have a license, although i wouldn't care if someone stole a screenshot i made ;) 12.50.09 # ok, I think I'll add the gfdl as docs/COPYING-MANUAL then 12.50.30 # if we happen to make some exception we could simply add it to the top of that file then 12.50.45 # great to have that settled 12.51.02 # what should we do about the wiki->manual issue? 12.51.18 # who has the credit on a plugin copied from the wiki? 12.52.23 # hmm. Can we assume text in the wiki is public domain? 12.52.54 # i would certainly hope so, but i do not think we can. 12.54.22 # ok, GFDL added 12.54.56 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.56.10 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd76c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f3257b8f8decd523) 12.57.25 # hi pixelma 12.57.45 # hi tucoz :) 12.57.58 # do you happen to have a sansa image? 12.58.16 # no I don't 12.58.27 # ah. then i remembered wrong 12.58.46 # * linuxstb makes another request for testers of the new ipod bootloaders and ipodpatcher - get the files from http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodinstallbeta-files.zip and use the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta and let me know if it works... 12.59.39 # ack, another? 12.59.55 # I want other people, not you again :) 13.00.00 # ah 13.00.08 # so its the same one? 13.00.40 # I think the only change compared to the last version you tested is to fix some text so it doesn't go off the screen on the minis and nano. 13.00.41 # tucoz: Sandisk offers an eps on their own site - but that's huge (probably every single detail (and it shows the Sansa OS on the screen) - maybe it's worth editing it 13.00.46 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.179.85) 13.00.51 # they do? 13.00.59 # ah 13.01.03 # could we use that, you think? 13.01.08 # i didnt notice any text going off screen :o 13.01.35 # On the Nano, it was just one character on one line I think. The mini would have been more obvious. 13.01.37 # tucoz: not without some work I think - have to look it up 13.01.43 # ok 13.01.49 # ah 13.02.13 # Taking an image from Sandisk's website sounds a bit dodgy though. 13.02.28 # it does 13.02.53 # unless it is gpl'ed or creative commons 13.03.14 # does it say under what license it is released? 13.03.44 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.05.57 # yikes. 53MB 13.06.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.42 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg59620#msg59620 13.06.53 # seems to be legal 13.07.01 # ! 13.07.24 # But we're not members of the press or their partners... 13.08.10 # hehe. but rockbox is sortof a partner, as they initiated contact with us 13.08.29 # If so, we should complain... 13.08.30 # You are members of /a/ press... 13.08.40 # trouser press mostly however 13.09.10 # tucoz: we have permission to use this http://thesansa.com/forum/fronton.jpg 13.09.31 # hmm... I didn't download the eps so far (wonder why it's so big) maybe it's easier to draw a nice svg anyways 13.09.53 # barrywardell, great. unless pixelma decides something else :D 13.10.50 # could be a good basis for a vector drawing... :) 13.11.01 # pixelma, the .eps is only a photo of the image. not a vector drawing 13.11.14 # * n1s wonders what they call the button on the bottom of the wheel 13.11.17 # ah that explains it 13.11.25 # same as this 13.11.26 # http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/Image/DigitalAudioPlayers/sansa/Sansae200_straight.jpg 13.11.32 # n1s, they call it submenu 13.11.32 # that was done by Andre Smith from thesansa.com 13.12.02 # tiff (10MB) here. http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/Image/DigitalAudioPlayers/sansa/Sansae200_straight.tif 13.12.25 # so, the power button is the menu button and the strange one is "sub"menu, fun ;-) 13.12.49 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 13.12.50 # he said he could provide his original vector file if we wanted 13.13.13 # ok. nice. 13.13.41 # pixelma, do you want to make your own .svg, or do we go for the one on thesansa? 13.14.38 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.15.08 # is there an svg - I only saw the link to a jpg 13.15.31 # there is, he can provide us with one if we want to 13.16.19 # cool - then we should use it of course :) 13.16.34 # great 13.19.06 # pixelma: see the post by adscorp here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.330 13.19.26 # is a fireworks vector file ok? 13.21.07 # never heard of that format 13.21.20 # isn't that a macromedia format? 13.21.47 # i think they have a product called fireworks at least 13.22.33 Join DerPhil [0] (n=derphil@p57B45DF1.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.22.41 # just have to put a rockboxed screen on it :D 13.22.47 # yep 13.23.46 # maybe you can import fireworks with corel 13.27.08 # does anybody know the file-extension of a fireworks vector file? and/or seen the file? 13.27.54 # or maybe it is possible to export a fireworks file, to a more common format 13.28.50 # i just read that fireworks can save as .ai 13.31.01 Quit DerPhil ("Es kann nur einen geben. Doch der geht jetzt! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 13.31.24 # that should work 13.32.27 # so i'll send him a message and ask for a .ai version? 13.33.06 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849CF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.34.44 # or corel, right? 13.34.56 # i think fireworks can handle several vector formats 13.36.07 # really neat would be to have them both - Corel can import .ai but you never know if the result is ok (it claims to be able to import macromedia freehand, too - though I never tried9 13.36.28 Quit Arathis (Client Quit) 13.36.51 # I PM'ed him on thesansa forums asking for .ai and Corel versions 13.37.10 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849CF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.37.23 # thanks :) 13.41.24 Quit dj-fu ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 13.42.13 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 13.42.35 # hey guys I can't seem to find this in the ipod manual, is it possible to connect it to usb for charge only, and not go into mass storage mode? 13.43.17 # Hold MENU as you insert the cable. 13.43.37 # now why didnt i know that.. 13.43.51 # tried that, (learned it from gigabeat port) but the battery icon didn;t seem to indicate charging 13.43.59 # You didn't read the FAQ? 13.44.07 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ 13.44.17 # maybe i did, but like 4 months ago :) 13.44.36 # i was more trying to find out if it actually worked for the ipod 13.44.54 # also with the ipod it needs to come on to charge with the power adapeter? 13.45.10 # jba: It's possible that not all the ipods detect charging. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Although most people report that Rockbox charges very slowly via USB, and in some cases uses more power than it draws - resulting in a net discharge... 13.45.27 # jba: Yes, that's an ipod feature - it needs to be on to charge. 13.45.45 # hmm, net descharge may have been what i was seeing 13.45.46 # thanks mate 13.46.11 # aah well i can live with it being on to charge from power adapter, but hopefully it will charge from usb at my office 13.46.44 # I normally charge via USB, and let it reboot into disk mode to do it. 13.46.54 # i.e. I never care about listening whilst charging. 13.47.41 # well it has all my music on it, till i the gigabeat port gets up to scratch 13.47.45 # then the mrs can have it 13.48.50 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 13.51.07 # doesn't sounds like that's too far away 13.51.31 # * linuxstb spots an ipod owner and potential tester 13.51.44 # hehe 13.52.15 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 13.53.39 # what do you need tested? 13.53.51 Join man_ [0] (i=man@p50849504.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.54.07 # hi guys 13.54.13 # The new ipodpatcher (which can edit the firmware partition directly - making ipod_fw obsolete) and the new bootloader release. 13.54.40 # Download this zip file http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip and try to follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta (the download links on that webpage don't work, but the files are in ipodrelease.zip) 13.55.09 # (or compile tools/ipodpatcher yourself and use a CVS bootloader) 13.55.35 # i just installed rockbox on my ipod video 5.0 but well i can't figure out how to play videos on it 13.55.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 13.56.48 # But read the page carefully - that plugin is still being written. For now (and possibly for a long time), rebooting to the Apple firmware is the best way to play videos on the ipod video. 13.56.55 # thanks 13.57.07 # in a related matter, didn't slasheri say he'd done some visual changes to the ipod bootloader? 13.57.25 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 13.57.27 # He said he changed his version to white text on a black background. I did the same to CVS... 13.57.40 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 13.57.59 # is anyone currently working on a nano 2g version? 13.58.01 # rightie 13.58.21 # and i disabled backlight also, so screen stays blank until rockbox boots up :) but that depends on what people like 13.58.37 # i don't see a reason for it to display or light up anything unless something goes wrong 13.58.58 # but then, i have a nano and booting is really fast 13.58.59 # I can't see the point in displaying anything if there's no backlight.. We could just write to the screen, and only do lcd_update() if there was an error. 13.59.34 # (and yes, keep the backlight off until an error). 13.59.50 # you know you can read the screen without the backlight on, right? 14.00.06 # I can't. 14.00.16 # i can 14.00.18 # hmm, on 5.5G i can 14.00.33 # nano here 14.00.53 # but the screen looks almost blank, unless there is plenty of light in the room 14.01.09 # true, you need to look at it in a certain way 14.01.37 # linuxstb: seems to have worked just fine, and that even without a sudo, which puzzles me a bit 14.01.47 # :) 14.02.02 # since i was writing straight to /dev/sdb 14.02.14 # oh well, probably some ubuntu behind the scenes stuff 14.02.18 # Check the groups you are in. In my Debian setup, removable disks are in the "floppy" group, which I'm a member of. 14.02.24 # probably am 14.02.42 # just puzzled me since i've always had to use sudo when using dd 14.03.01 # but anywho, this is sweetness 14.03.01 # Yes, me to. So that's a nice added safety feature for Unix users. 14.03.14 # way easier installation 14.03.30 # Can you try extracting the Apple firmware with "ipodpatcher /dev/XXX -rf apple_os.ipod" 14.03.40 # sure 14.03.49 # Then replace the Apple firmware completely with the Rockbox bootloader "-wf bootloader-ipodnano.ipod" 14.03.58 # And put apple_os.ipod on your FAT32 partition. 14.04.36 # linuxstb, is there a downloadlink for this mpegplayerplugin? 14.04.46 # man_: It's already installed. 14.05.02 # :o 14.05.07 # does it support audio yet? 14.05.16 # linuxstb: seems to work 14.05.16 # No 14.05.24 # You can boot the Apple firmware? 14.05.27 # linuxstb: roloing retailos doesn't work too well 14.05.30 # darn, ok 14.05.50 # Try booting it via the bootloader. I know Rolo doesn't work - at least the COP is wrong. 14.06.08 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 14.06.17 # whats COP anyway? 14.06.21 # (you can use the hold switch to start the Apple firmware now as well) 14.06.28 # so the bootloader can load it from file now? 14.06.40 Join GodEater [0] (n=NotAChan@host-83-146-12-101.bulldogdsl.com) 14.06.41 # In theory... Works on my Photo but not on SUSaiyan's Nano. 14.07.23 # SUSaiyan: co-processor. The ipod's CPU has two cores. 14.07.36 # now, if i only get the presses to register 14.07.46 # (you can use the hold switch to start the Apple firmware now as well) 14.08.04 # ahh, leet 14.08.13 # not the most successful venture ever 14.08.15 # it just reboots 14.08.17 # ah, i knew it had 2 cores, but i didnt know COP meant co-processor :) 14.08.28 # wot! 14.08.29 # it just worked 14.08.39 # pixelma: hey, thanks 14.08.40 # it booted? 14.08.44 # sure did 14.08.49 # :) 14.08.51 # first it tried, then rebooted 14.08.52 # :o 14.08.55 # then it tried again, and succeeded 14.09.03 # linuxstb: you wanted to tesed the cue plugin? the one on the wiki is now very usable 14.09.03 # just keeps on rebooting for me 14.09.17 # trying again 14.09.41 # looks like it's consistent 14.09.54 # i just keep the hold switch on, and it works on its second attempt 14.10.06 # so for you, it will boot apple os the second try? 14.10.08 # JdGordon: Thanks. I'll give it a go later (doing non-Rockbox work now...) 14.10.10 # i've probably got retailos version 1.0 14.10.14 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.10.17 # ah 14.10.24 # ive got 1.2 ;) 14.11.38 # haha 14.11.42 # it did not enjoy usb much 14.11.48 # total hang 14.11.51 # hehe 14.11.55 # what about music? 14.12.11 # don't have any that retailos can see 14.12.20 # hehe 14.12.29 # preglow: Ah, so you probably don't have the "RSRC" image that Nano 1.2 and later have. 14.12.56 # i don't 14.13.49 # RSRC? 14.14.04 # resource 14.14.12 # it's got a truckload of nike bitmaps/sounds/etc 14.14.14 # ah 14.14.15 # for the nano/nike thing 14.14.20 # that thing :) 14.14.45 # i wonder if i could boot your apple_os.ipod 14.14.52 # preglow: You can also stick a rockbox.ipod file directly there if you want (-wf rockbox.ipod) 14.15.02 # hah, cool 14.15.08 # :o 14.15.21 # brb 14.15.22 # SUSaiyan: don't see a reason why it shouldn't work 14.15.23 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC") 14.15.32 Quit zylche (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.15.40 # i do, i resized my firmware partition ;) 14.15.55 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.16.00 # that's definitely on my agenda too 14.16.00 # That shouldn't make any difference... 14.16.13 # wasting 80 megs is a bitch 14.16.16 # well it needs the hibernation image from there doesnt it? 14.16.23 # well, another problem is, when i start "doom" it keeps sayin' the basic wad is missing, so i put it in h:\.rockbox\games\doom\ but there is still an error 14.16.30 # is anyone good at making the bitmap icons for file extensions in rocbox? 14.16.36 # isn't it the right dir? 14.16.41 # It doesn't _need_ the hibernation image. But there is a danger it will create one and overwrite the start of your FAT32 partition. 14.16.41 # man_: its h:\games\etc 14.16.53 # clever apple 14.16.59 # linuxstb: thats what i was thinking :) 14.17.14 # either way it doesnt matter, ive got backups :) 14.17.16 # ok, thanks :) 14.17.18 # A common IPL issue - as they used to use the unused space to create their ext3 partition. 14.17.29 # hehe 14.18.05 # id love to try 14.18.06 # JdGordon: Should your cuesheet plugin work with any supported audio format? 14.18.12 # yes 14.18.47 # and it can be extended to bookmarkable type, as long as the chapters are relativly easy to parse 14.19.09 # cuesheet? 14.19.25 # cuesheet! 14.20.25 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 14.21.10 Join barrywardell_ [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.186.171) 14.21.30 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.22.23 # what's up with the build table? 14.22.35 # 64-bit warnings 14.22.41 # hey amiconn, back to my q many huors ago about "filetype string bffer empty". do you know which define needs increasing? MAX_EXTTYPES and MAX_FILETYPES dont make any difference 14.22.42 # (last set of Doom commits) 14.23.14 # jhMikeS's commit seems to have added some 14.23.21 # JdGordon: Neither. It's the buffer size that is overflowing, not the count of types or extensions 14.23.51 # which buffer? 14.24.00 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.24.13 # (and btw, the message should read "full" instead of "empty". That's a long-standing issue in the language file) 14.24.44 # Is there a reason why it's not fixed? 14.25.19 Quit GodEater (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.27.39 # pixelma: added some what (warnings?) and which one? ?? 14.29.19 # your 'mean' commit added 2 or 5 (depending on the build server) to the three 64-bit warnings caused by the last doom commit 14.29.56 # ah....mean was meant to be "meant" btw 14.30.06 # in playback.c 14.32.59 # linuxstb: Not sure. I never asked the original author why he used 'empty' instead of 'full' 14.33.32 # The filetypes code is another such 'black box' where I don't understand some things it does 14.33.33 # he must have been in an oposites mood that day :p 14.33.56 # It's possibly just a wrong translation ('empty' meaning 'no space left' here) 14.34.23 # yeah, proabbly 14.34.25 # The author is not a native english speaker 14.35.13 # seems pretty "random" on the warnings there 14.37.08 # jhMikeS: Not random at all... 14.37.58 # na, the warning makes sense after it has bee re translated.. 14.38.35 # jhMikeS: You're casting a pointer to an int, which is _bad_ 14.38.45 # amiconn: yeah, I know. The int to void * casting is the problem 14.38.55 # Both directions are bad 14.39.18 # You could use long (better, but not perfect), or intptr_t 14.39.20 # hahaha, I thought you were talking about the error meesgae :p (Me obviously needs sleep) 14.39.44 # amiconn: I think I tried using intptr_t once and just got errors. I know that's preferrable. 14.40.02 # Does Rockbox have intptr_t? 14.40.03 # It's just by chance that int and pointers have the same data size on 32 bit platforms 14.40.21 # linuxstb: It does 14.40.36 # * jhMikeS took his chances and felt funny about it 14.40.59 # omfg! 14.41.07 # that needs rectification 14.41.20 # * preglow has fixed too many ptr -> int casting bugs in other peoples software :/ 14.42.20 Join joris [0] (n=joris@217-19-28-124.dsl.cambrium.nl) 14.42.45 # anyone want to have a go at a nice icon for the .cue file extension? 14.43.06 # I don't think the particular use will have any actual problems but the warnings should go, yes 14.44.46 # mh, is it possible to boot also the apple os without any bootloader on rockbox? 14.45.10 # No 14.45.24 # ok 14.46.31 # hi there, i looked at the Faq and it seems there is never going to be flac support for the archos jukebox, am i right? 14.47.24 # so longs are 64 bit on the 64 bit boxes? 14.47.47 # Flac *might* in fact be possible after wav and aiff will be added, but it's not very likely 14.48.21 # ok well let´s hope... 14.48.25 # It all depends on whether someone is able to code a very efficient rice decoder for the SH1 14.49.05 # jhMikeS: On AMD64, yes, that's why the platform is sometimes called 'lp64'. Not sure about the others 14.49.44 # *Iirc* someone mentioned that on Itanium it's different 14.50.13 # rrgg. is the intptr_t intrinsic or do I have to put one in inttype.h or something? 14.50.42 # (hmm, or was than Win64...) 14.51.03 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 14.53.23 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 15.02.17 # dan_a: any luck testing the new crt0 with your 3g? 15.05.05 Quit pixelma ("bbl") 15.05.54 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.06.02 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B972E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.06.03 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-093-231.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.06.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.07.41 # guess I'll start off making intptr_t the same as a long, just see, hope for the best, make any corrections needed, and repeat with some other scheme :) 15.08.11 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.09.16 # linuxstb, d'you have some websites where i can get games for rockbox? 15.09.18 # any particular reason intXX_t is a #define and not a typedef? 15.10.16 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.11.15 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.12.12 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB154D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.13.08 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 15.13.15 # LP64 and ILP64...mmmkay. guess we're doing the first one. 15.15.49 # jhMikeS: Just include inttypes.h . All those types are already defined 15.16.08 # ...and for the sims, it uses the os include 15.16.51 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 15.18.17 Join webguest39 [0] (i=56d994c2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-00864e29bc32f3bb) 15.18.24 # not intptr_t 15.18.39 # and uintptr_t 15.18.56 Quit webguest39 (Client Quit) 15.20.19 # i'll just pop 'em in there 15.23.04 # anyone got an ipod_fw and diskdumper for intel macs? 15.23.28 # get the new ipodpathcxer 15.23.36 # bluey-: You can try the new version of ipodpatcher that replaces ipod_fw and diskdump (there's a Universal Binary available). 15.23.38 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perpleXa@unaffiliated/perplexa) 15.23.39 # it contains both... but better 15.24.02 # Download this zip file http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip and try to follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta (the download links on that webpage don't work, but the files are in ipodrelease.zip) 15.24.33 # ahh ok just wanted to checkout the cvs and compile by hand 15.24.34 # thx 15.24.50 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.24.53 # linuxstb: you've prepared that text... 15.24.57 # You could do that as well. But the new install method is much easier (and needs testing...) 15.25.03 Part qwm 15.25.14 # DerPapst: I just press UP until I find it in my history from the last time someone asked... 15.25.17 # can i replease the rockbox bootloader with the loader2 from the ipodlinux project? 15.25.40 # yes but you ahve to use the scramble tool 15.25.51 # omg.. i can't type anymore 15.26.13 # bluey-: can you compile? 15.26.19 # Yes, but for that you will need to compile one thing yourself - the tools/scramble tool. You then need to run ./scramble -add=XXXX loader.bin loader.ipod and use that loader.ipod file with the new ipodpatcher. (type ./scramble by itself to find out what XXXX you need for your ipod). 15.27.08 # or get this one :) http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/loader.ipod 15.27.14 # I'll just try to get all of those warnings now then 15.27.17 # wait... 15.27.25 # with ipod version do you have? 15.27.26 # Or try the newer version of the Rockbox bootloader. It now uses the hold switch to start the apple firmware instead of the unreliable MENU keypress. 15.27.30 # *which 15.27.32 # well i compiled my own loader2 with bluey iPod in the title :D 15.27.44 # ah.. ok 15.28.00 # then you have to compile scramble yourself 15.28.14 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 15.28.34 # either use the code in cvs or this one: http://www.felixbruns.de/paste/index.php?id=32 15.29.24 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549304DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.30.59 # thanks the scrambe from the cvs was broken 15.31.32 # i'm sure it's not but it is more difficult to compile 15.32.20 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.32.46 # You should just need to type "make scramble" in the tools directory. 15.33.00 # ehh used gcc scramble.c 15.33.11 # It uses other .c files as well... 15.34.27 Join MX-G [0] (n=gtaivan@189.157.165.52) 15.34.35 # can anyone help me? 15.35.52 # MX-G, depending on your problem, no 15.36.04 # but possibly even yes, but that depends on your problem 15.36.08 # linuxstb :p 15.36.17 # and unless you tell us that nobody can help you ;-) 15.36.22 # did you read my question :) 15.36.35 # o sorry :P 15.36.40 # spanish user :P 15.36.40 # -15:10:10- linuxstb, d'you have some websites where i can get games for rockbox? << 15.36.48 # ahhh...intptr_t is in stddef.h. hehe 15.36.49 # so just ask 15.37.28 # well, I installed Firmware 1.2.1 on my 80 gigs iPod, and I downloaded this unofficial installer BoardHwName: iPod M25 15.37.28 # pszSerialNumber: XXXXXXXXXXX 15.37.28 # ModelNumStr: PA003 15.37.28 DBUG Enqueued KICK MX-G 15.37.28 # FirewireGuid: 0x000A27001486D670 15.37.28 # HddFirmwareRev: BU011A 15.37.30 # RegionCode: LL(0x0001) 15.37.32 # PolicyFlags: 0x00000002 15.37.34 # buildID: 0x06008000 (6.0) 15.37.38 # visibleBuildID: 0x01008000 (1.0) 15.37.38 # ohh no 15.37.40 # boardHwRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 15.37.42 # boardHwSwInterfaceRev: 0x000B0005 (0.0.11 5) 15.37.44 # bootLoaderImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 15.37.44 # 80GB -> 5.5G? 15.37.46 # diskModeImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 15.37.48 # diagImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 15.37.50 # osImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 15.37.52 # iPodFamily: 0x00000000 15.37.54 # updaterFamily: 0x00000000 15.37.56 # ups :P 15.38.00 # http://www.kreator666.gabeandco.info/rockbox/index.html 15.38.01 # bluebrother: yes 15.38.02 # done :P 15.38.02 # wait, wtf...ok...screwing up royally here :) 15.38.04 # when, I'm trying to install it, i can't :< 15.38.18 # MX-G, 5.5G isn't supported yet 15.38.34 # :< 15.38.34 # 80GB ipods don't work yet 15.38.41 # only the 30Gb 5.5G ipod 15.38.57 # when does it is going to work? 15.39.10 # meep. Wrong question 15.39.24 # When someone finds a solution, which is impossible to predict. Could be today, could be a year away. 15.39.31 # as currently the cause why RB isn't running is unknown it's also unknown when it will work 15.39.38 # mmm 15.40.01 # what about linuxproject? 15.40.15 # man_: No. 15.40.28 # linuxproject? 15.40.34 # iPodLinux 15.40.36 # MX-G: No. 15.40.36 # ipod linux :P 15.40.43 # :< 15.40.52 # even less progress 15.40.58 # well, thanks a lot for all the info :) 15.41.12 # cya ^^ 15.41.20 Quit MX-G () 15.41.23 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 15.41.23 # * linuxstb enjoyed that paste 15.42.03 # * bluebrother just notices that it mostly only contained 0's 15.42.14 # * DerPapst wonders why linuxstb enjoyed that. 15.43.50 # thanks guys worked well 15.44.28 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|Determ (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 15.46.44 # bbl 15.46.48 Quit amiconn () 15.47.27 # well, we'll see how that goes 15.48.20 # hopefully no more yellow spots 15.50.08 # bluey-: You successfully installed loader2 using the new ipodpatcher program? 15.50.22 # yes 15.51.03 # On intel Mac? 15.51.27 # yep... using the scramble which DerPapst posted 15.51.36 # * linuxstb ticks another combination off the list 15.53.16 # linuxstb: what combinations are missing? 15.53.35 # *which 15.58.19 # * jhMikeS sees green again :) 16.00.34 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terinjok@adsl-153-233-3.mia.bellsouth.net) 16.00.48 # ok, which developers are here? 16.02.07 # * jhMikeS never knows if he's here here or where he is :) 16.02.24 # Terinjokes, try /who rockbox/* in your irc client 16.02.27 # ok, well then i'll wait :D 16.02.42 # DerPapst: I haven't really got a list, but bluey- was the first Intel Mac OS X user. 16.02.58 # bluey-: Did you compile ipodpatcher yourself, or use the binary in the zip file I linked you to? 16.02.58 # aha ok :) 16.03.02 # ah, yes, i really need to get my mask back :D 16.03.08 # wow now i`m really proud :P 16.03.24 # i used the binary from the zip and the scramble from papst 16.03.43 # OK, thanks. 16.03.49 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 16.04.05 # * linuxstb is just waiting on Bagder to host the files on download.rockbox.org 16.04.23 # well, I've re-installed MacOSX, and decided to another have a try at compiling rockbox 16.05.05 # i talked to someone who has a mac (don't know whether ppc or intel) and a restored 5.5G 30GB ipod. he had problems with the ipodpathcer binary. 16.05.18 # [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/disk1 16.05.19 # [INFO] Sector size is 2048 bytes 16.05.19 # [ERR] Bad boot sector signature 16.05.48 # could be hfs related if he restored it with macosx 16.05.56 # So, can anyone tell me what I need for (cross) compiling? 16.06.06 # yes it's a hfs+ formatted ipod 16.06.20 # i`m on fat 16.06.40 # hm... 16.06.50 # the ipod installation for MacOSX has nice instructions for changing it to fat 16.07.09 # but ipodpathcer should work on hfs+ ipods too ar am i wrong? 16.07.29 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 16.07.32 # i know.. but he woanted to use iPL not rockbox 16.07.38 # *wanted 16.07.56 # oh... well thats another story... 16.08.10 # and the kernel can only work on hfs+ 5.5G ipods fine 16.08.25 # otherwise you get problems with rootfs 16.10.05 # ok, i checked out the code... now what do i need for cross compiling? 16.10.26 # what target? 16.10.28 # ipods? 16.10.35 # ipod nanos 16.10.45 # the arm-toolchain 16.10.50 # k 16.11.30 # did anyone else have problems with the rockboxdev.sh thing in tools/ or was that just me? 16.14.27 # DerPapst: No, ipodpatcher only works with FAT32 ipods. 16.14.33 # how i can see charging is accomplished? 16.14.36 # o.O 16.14.47 # that explains it -.- 16.15.23 # can you make it working with hfs+ ipod too? 16.15.39 Join cA1mAn [0] (n=chatzill@217-162-152-137.dclient.hispeed.ch) 16.16.35 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.17.01 # hello, how does battery life of iaudio compare with the original fw? (i'm hesitating to buy a iaudio or ipod... and seeing that the iaudio fw does not suit my needs, this would be a decisive point) 16.17.47 # is it possible that it will SURPASS the batt. life of the original fw? what about the iPod? thanks 16.17.51 # DerPapst: Anything's possible... But it's not a priority. It would just require code to understand the Apple Partition Map instead of the DOS partition table. 16.18.25 # cA1mAn: Rockbox is likely to surpass the original firmware on the iaudio (if it doesn't already). ipods are an unknown quantity due to the complete lack of hardware information. 16.18.50 Quit zylche ("-") 16.19.05 # I would guess that currently Rockbox is at least equal to the iaudio firmware. On the ipods, it's significantly less. 16.19.15 # ^battery life 16.19.25 # linuxstb: i can get the partitiontable from an HFS+ 30GB 5.5G ipod if you want to. 16.19.33 # linuxstb: so if i'm going to install rockbox anyway, since i use linux, should i better go with the iaudio (also for the future, are the developpement of both the same speed) 16.19.52 # DerPapst: Thanks, but I've got no real interest in HFS+ support. 16.20.01 # The code's in CVS though... 16.20.15 # :-/ ok 16.21.11 # and why does it say *Power handling: 10%* on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort, shouldn't this be updated then!? 16.22.08 Quit Arathis (Remote closed the connection) 16.22.54 # lol, theres another bug in MacOSX... 16.23.03 Join furiousD [0] (n=david@cpc1-blfs5-0-0-cust675.belf.cable.ntl.com) 16.23.50 # which one 16.24.10 # the trash can won't empty... 16.24.35 # yeah guess its a crappy finder problem . one more.. 16.24.38 # like i empty it, and it makes the emptied noise, but everything is still there 16.24.53 # bluey: i though apple was going to update finder for leopard? 16.25.22 # dunno if the do but it is really recommended 16.25.28 # it really sucks. 16.25.42 # they've added an 'idiots finder' 16.25.46 # mostly the refresh problem is annoying as hell 16.26.08 # true, true 16.26.47 # mhh but i heared there will be zfs in leopard :P 16.27.09 # it is, just you can't install the OS on it (yet...) 16.27.43 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849CF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.28.38 # well it isn`t out yet but it would be great feature. i`m wondering if timemashine will take advantage of it 16.29.04 # i haven't messed around with time machine yet... 16.30.12 # and how is leopard? 16.30.33 # *cough* #rockbox *cough* 16.30.46 # linux, its all UNIX :D 16.31.09 # Yes, but still nothing to do with Rockbox... 16.31.58 # lunix! 16.32.15 # no, no... its luser that crashed the internet :D 16.32.33 # rockybox killed da radio star 16.32.48 Quit bluey- ("This computer has gone to sleep") 16.32.52 # anywho i'm compiling the gcc stuff for cross compiling now 16.37.35 # how did rockybox kill da radio star? 16.39.25 # ca1man: i have had rockbox on my iaudio x5 since june, I listen to it daily from 730 am to 430pm, I have it last as long as 600pm with no lunch break in the day 16.39.44 # Terinjokes: with a roundhouse kick 16.39.57 # ca1man: 90% of my music are ogg encoded at -q 10 or 6 16.40.29 # daurnimator, no that what restore an old mans eyesight 16.40.30 # BiptoN: does this mean battery life lasts longer than with original fw? 16.40.42 # ca1man:yes 16.41.02 # caiman: but as the name states ROCKBOX ROCKS! 16.41.17 # it was easy to give up some little features to run RB 16.41.34 # BiptoN, what if people like rap, or R&B, or maybe country, thats kinda mean... 16.41.59 # still when the battery was good 10+ hours on RB was pretty snazzy, playin oggs all day 16.42.01 # well 16.42.12 # i can only comment on what i've experienced it do ;) 16.42.32 # io do have some sissy lala and classical mixed with metal 16.42.35 # lol 16.42.36 # ditto, except i only listen for maybe 30minutes aday 16.42.41 # BiptoN: what features are you missing then? 16.42.59 # bipton, your probably the one who scrobbles all that metal on last.fm 16.43.19 # btw does RB support jpg album art ? now that would be great 16.43.26 # on iaudio 16.43.46 # no album art 16.44.05 # bye 16.44.11 Quit man_ ("shutdown -h now") 16.44.52 # they have a patch for it in flyspray i believe 16.45.05 # also for jpg? 16.45.15 # no, bmp 16.45.18 # because last time i checked it was only bmp :-( 16.45.24 # as wpd only supports bmp 16.45.28 # wps* 16.45.39 # is there hope for it to support jpg one day? 16.45.55 # hopefully 16.45.57 # it's more because decoding it on the target needs more time (->battery) and can easily be done in advantage 16.46.41 # ca1man: missin video and usbtogo 16.46.43 # personally i could care less about battery, i listen for 30 minutes a day... but i understand others :D 16.46.55 # yeah, disk mode sucks! 16.47.19 # I need my player for several hours a day ... 16.47.29 Nick Everybody|Determ is now known as Everybody|Gmod10 (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 16.47.29 # BiptoN: doe voice recordning work? 16.47.41 # ca1man: neither one i have no concern for on my "music" player, boot time is wayyyy quick with rb instead of stock firmware also 16.47.43 # yep 16.47.51 # voice is a go 16.47.52 # Terinjokes: battery life is the most important aspect :-) 16.47.56 Join Linas5 [0] (n=linas@24-196-132-165.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) 16.47.56 # radio works 16.48.09 # good morning 16.48.20 # last time i used fm recording it didn't work so well ,that was a few months ago though 16.48.30 # is the developpement of RB for iAudio still active? 16.48.33 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.48.38 # yup 16.48.48 # seems like they're all over it 16.48.50 # anyone in the mood to answer a really stupid question for me 16.48.51 # =/ 16.48.52 # but not as active as for ipod i guess 16.49.12 # i think the ipods kicked into higher gear since the 5.5 release 16.49.26 # the folks here would know better than me 16.49.44 # what does rockbox have over the cowon firmware that would make me want to choose it? 16.50.05 # Linas5: a lot like gapless playback, id3 tag browsing 16.50.14 # that were the main points for ME 16.50.20 # or would be :-) 16.50.23 # last.fm support 16.50.25 # Linas5, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 16.51.14 # thanks 16.51.24 # alot more codecs linas5 16.51.27 # couldnt find the list of stuffs 16.51.38 # recording to wav, wavpack, and mp3 16.51.40 # cool 16.51.43 # when will the battery life for the ipod be last as long as with the original firware; is there any approx. info for this? 16.51.43 # that page is linked on the frontpage ... 16.51.58 # well im just blind/stupid/stuff bluebrother =P 16.51.59 # there has to optimasations 16.52.07 # plays flac compressed with -8 option 16.53.19 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 16.53.43 # * Terinjokes wonders if there is a zunelinux project 16.54.04 # LOL 16.54.11 # i wondered that myself 16.54.30 # i googled but nothing came up 16.58.19 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.58.31 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 17.00.27 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 17.01.49 # * Cassandra shrugs. Zune is another Microsoft Bob. 17.02.04 # I predict it'll sink without trace within a year. 17.02.09 # they had linux on bob... right? 17.02.52 # It doesn't offer anything that Apple/iTunes can't offer (that people actually want). So there's no real reason for its target market to switch. 17.03.10 # Plus a seperate marketplace means tune availability will be less. 17.03.43 # but they have enogh money to pump in to keep it afloat. 17.03.46 # Which will also put the target market off. Especially those who already have DRMed music. 17.04.16 # This is true, but the question is what reason would they have to do so. 17.04.20 # Yes, that's one of the stupidest things with drm, the friggin locins 17.04.48 # Cassandra, as a mac user I don't understand why, but people hate itunes for some reason 17.04.59 # Frankly, if they'd said "no DRM" they might've stood a chance. 17.05.13 # maybe they will try to do what they did with the xbox 17.05.39 # They're big enough to get the record companies on board, and the current climate in the music industry is moving away from DRM anyway. 17.05.51 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.06.00 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 17.06.06 # what sony to move away from DRM? 17.06.16 # And then they would have had a clear market advantage over MS. 17.06.27 # Sony will probably be the last ones to go. 17.06.36 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.06.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.07.07 # IMO a drm implementation isn't good until it doesn't get in the way when you want to do perfectly legal stuff, or locks you in to a certain type of player/oftware/whatever. 17.07.24 # It's not happening yet, but over the next couple of years I expect more and more record companies to release DRM free music. 17.07.42 # * n1s hopes Cassandra is right 17.07.50 # n1s, best DRM implementation I've seen - Valve's Steam. 17.08.25 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 17.09.02 # Pretty much user transparent, and just works. More importantly it allows me to do anything I would want to do with my software that I've bought (re-install it on a new machine, play on any PC I have access to). 17.09.11 # steam is a pretty awsome ssytem they have developed 17.09.34 # Obviously this can't work for music, because music needs to be playable on a CD player too, but ... 17.10.11 # DRM isn't inherently evil, just DRM that takes away fair use rights. 17.10.28 # I don't play games anymore so I haven't dealt with steam, but it sure sounds pretty nice, also the portability of a pc game isn't very important, users don't expect to play it in the car cd player :-) 17.10.30 # LOL, i laugh at sony, i have a couple cds made by sony, i put it in my computer, and see directories full of exes and dlls, i find a readme file, I open it and its like "to play this cd in windows, please install the sony cd player. You can not listen to this cd in other applications. To listen to tracks on mp3 players, please use the send to mp3 button in the sony player. Your mp3 device must support DRM. iPods not support." then i 17.10.30 # "Macintosh users may continue to listen normally, and are not required to install anything" 17.10.51 # Unfortunately in the case of music, it's pretty much impossible not to do the latter so all music DRM is of the evil type. 17.11.37 # Terinjokes, so only PC users are pirates, eh? 17.11.49 # i guess... 17.11.54 # I think the RIAA and co have devalued the word pirate. 17.12.24 # I propose from now on we call them "music paedophiles". Much more shocking, and just as descriptively accurate. 17.12.37 # yes, where's all the swashbucklin' (or whatever they call it)? 17.12.50 # and the cannons :-) 17.13.49 # Barrywardell - So, how are things going on the Sansa and H10 front? I guess I could go and read the Sansa thread, so forget that one, but how about the H10..? Found out why it'd need both new-Loader and new-RB? Have you guys decided on a name for the OF.bin/Original.mi4/...? 17.13.55 # * Terinjokes grabs his swore, arr mateys 17.14.11 # Or "were you enjoying your weekend before I came in barging with stupid questions"? 17.15.01 # yeah, my weekend is doing great, was raining here yesterday. That kinda sucked. Should probably head to the beach today, nice and sunny 17.15.16 Join TouS [0] (i=NormTouS@bas1-kingston08-1088740875.dsl.bell.ca) 17.15.31 # ello :) 17.15.33 Nick barrywardell_ is now known as barrywardell (n=barrywar@194.46.186.171) 17.15.48 # PaulPosition: good questions. there was much discussion on the channel the last days about these things, but I can't tell you what came out :/ 17.16.00 # * Arathis wants to know it himself .. 17.16.03 # barry - hehe... 17.16.06 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 17.16.07 # * Cassandra wonders if we could have International Talk Like an Intellectual Propety Law Violater Day. Everyone could sp33k l337. 17.16.10 # PaulPosition: nothing has really changed there. still calling it OF.bin for now. 17.16.35 # waiting for dan_a to test the new crt0 on his 3g ipod 17.16.41 # is it ok to ask/talk about suppostish stuff here? :) 17.16.42 # and then I will commit the changes 17.16.49 # supportish* 17.16.53 # barrywardell - Anything else changes in there? Ah, I guess that gave me part of an answer :) 17.17.58 # we have a working (kind of) scrollwheel on the Sansa 17.18.38 # * DerPapst knows for a fact that 1337 sp33k is very evil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b1cyNigny8 ;) 17.18.52 Join karim [0] (n=karim@ip-155.net-81-220-245.rev.numericable.fr) 17.18.55 # I installed a theme last night for my 5g ipod with rockbox latest build and now the pc wont picup my ipod, diskmode/apple OS neither connect, anyone know why that might happen, or a way to fix? 17.18.57 # barrywardell - cool :) I guess it won't be adaptable to the h10 pad though (isn't the sansa wheel kind of going click-click-click like a mouse wheel for example?) 17.19.09 # barrywardell: My better half keeps forgetting to give me my charger back. I'll test it ASAP! 17.19.09 # no, not adaptable 17.19.22 # TouS, try another computer? 17.19.26 # dan_a: thanks 17.19.59 # TouS - Tried rebooting the PC? Sometimes when I connected and disconnected my DAP too often, it wont get recognised... 17.20.06 # PaulPosition: i'm working on updating the recording patch. it's fairly complicated though 17.20.37 # I dont have another PC :(, no harm in trying a reboot tho I guess 17.20.39 # and I don't fully understand the recording system in Rockbox yet 17.20.44 # I will come back in a few 17.20.49 Quit TouS () 17.20.58 # barrywardell - judging from all the flyspray entries about recording, I'd say your being gentle calling it 'fairly complicated'.. :p 17.23.21 Join TouS [0] (i=NormTouS@bas1-kingston08-1088740875.dsl.bell.ca) 17.23.24 # i has been improving recently. it's much easier to follow now than it was before 17.23.27 # gtg 17.23.39 # haha rebooting worked, Im sorry for panicking ;( 17.23.47 Part Terinjokes 17.24.11 # Tous - No problem, dude. It works, then that's good. 17.25.47 # Can I ask one more Q? its about Idoom, but u guys prolly know, if I download an Idoom pck of games(legal ones) I just need to steal them wads to make it work in Rockdoom right? :) 17.26.04 # shove em in Addons? 17.33.22 # TouS - Sorry, I haven't tried playing doom. Manual should be pretty straightforward. 17.33.35 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 17.38.16 # oh well, i gtg, nigiht all 17.41.43 Quit mathgl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.43.18 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 17.47.04 # ok well thnx again :) bye 17.47.09 Quit TouS () 17.48.02 # join #ubuntu 17.50.23 Quit cA1mAn ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]") 17.51.21 Nick Everybody|Gmod10 is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 17.52.04 Join lubiix908 [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 17.52.52 Quit kubiix (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.55.53 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@spynet.sm.chereda.net) 17.56.15 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.57.43 # Hi! 17.59.08 # hello 17.59.56 Quit SaLoMoN ("Reconnecting") 17.59.57 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 18.00.01 Join SaLoMoN [0] (n=SaLo@salooo.org) 18.01.38 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.02.25 # hey guys 18.02.51 # heh ^^ 18.03.11 # If I were to include the often requested : and ; in the default keyboard, does anyone have an opinion on where to put them? (in the keyboard) 18.04.18 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d352b4d6e7808920) 18.06.02 Quit BlackMoon () 18.06.05 Join forze [0] (n=BeNFolz2@204-174-85-8.static571.dsl.ucc-net.ca) 18.14.37 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 18.15.35 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 18.20.07 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p54849CF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.25.41 Join Elara [0] (i=443ae3f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-178b36dec330fa8d) 18.26.25 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 18.26.32 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 18.27.43 # I have a random question regarding creating playlists. Can you create a playlist on your computer, the way you can a *.cfg file, and then transfer it over to your Ipod, or do you have to add each song as you play it on your Ipod, and then save the resultant playlist that you created? Any help appreciated.:-) 18.28.32 # What is the best way to charge my iPod nano running rockbox? 18.28.40 # quickly? 18.28.47 # Elara: yes you can, standard m3u files are supported by rockbox, best is if they are utf8 encoded. 18.29.19 # BetaCookies: the wall charger 18.29.39 # I don't have a wall charger, only a USB cord. o.o 18.29.44 # * zylche needs to pickup a ipod charger... 18.30.06 # zylche no time requirement, just I don't know how to charge it because it doesn't get charged on my dock because it isn't in disk mode 18.30.09 # Thanks n1s! 18.30.29 # cheap ass dock! 18.30.31 # * zylche kicks it 18.30.45 # meh 18.31.22 Part Elara 18.31.36 # zylche http://tinyurl.com/5pzhd wasn't cheap :P 18.33.37 # lol 18.33.40 # but it is bose... 18.39.16 # true 18.39.17 # but still 18.40.37 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.40.53 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p5498730D.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.48.04 # is this bose thingy not something like a better wall charger? 18.48.43 # well it is like one 18.49.01 # so can't your charge your iPod with it? 18.49.04 # but I thought that when rockbox is running, it can only draw 1/5 the power the apple firmware can.. 18.49.11 # so it takes a LOT longer 18.49.28 # and I still don't really know if it is charging, because I'm not sure how decent the power bar is. 18.49.43 Quit Gnelik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.50.34 # i think there is somewere a menu that shows the accu status 18.51.24 # well i dont know where it is 18.51.56 # me either... only tried rockbox on my 3G for about 30min ;) 18.53.11 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.54.12 # BetaCookies: Why don't you just put your ipod into diskmode, or start the main Apple firmware? 18.54.38 # how do I start the main apple firmware? :P 18.54.53 # ohh 18.54.54 # menu 18.54.59 # on startip 18.55.24 # okay nevermind :P it works now 18.55.55 # heh.. i thoght you wanted to stay in rb ^^ 18.55.59 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-24-175-97-250.houston.res.rr.com) 18.56.10 # heh dont need to 18.56.23 # i dont have my music in the original firmware though 18.56.50 # there should be a way to make a symlink to the music dir :\ 18.57.28 # well i'm gonna go copy my music, get itunes, and i'm removing rockbox. i dont relaly see any advantages :| 18.58.15 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.58.28 # betacookies - to each his own. Feel free to come back and see how progress has been when ever you want. :p 18.58.49 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 18.59.06 # okay well thats too much work. 18.59.09 # i'll just leave it on 18.59.11 # lol 19.01.42 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196) 19.02.10 # Hi all. I think that the GPIO interrupt on the Sansa is different to the iPod and the H10. Is there any way I can work out what it is now without reading the disassembly for the original firmware? 19.03.28 # hi, i just tried the cvs build for sansa e200.. and i cant figure how to switch back to the normal firmware booting :p 19.03.43 # I really should learn how to check out cvs code only for the files that updated or that I modified (ie, create a clean, up to date cvs from a dirty, somewhat aged source install).. cvs 'up' wouldn't touch what I modified, right? 19.03.46 # i looks promising 19.04.30 # Juice - You might need the original firmware file renamed and/or decrypted or something if it's anything like the H10... 19.05.09 # Juice^: You need the mi4 file for your original firmware. Then go into the emergency recovery mode (by turning the Sansa on with hold on and record pressed) and just copy the .mi4 file across. 19.05.46 # I tried that, but it just booted up rockbox, but i'll give it a try again 19.05.54 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 19.06.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.07.40 # Juice^: When you disconnect the USB (by doing something like "safely remove hardware" in Windows) it will tell you it's upgrading the firmware. 19.08.10 # seems to be working now 19.08.14 # PaulPosition: if you do cvs up -C it will overwrite all modified files with the latest cvs version 19.08.22 # thanks :) 19.09.27 # barrywardell - Now that's something! Thanks a lot. I don't care much about *my* bandwidth but I was beginning to think I was gonna cost the rb project its shirt. 19.09.58 # how can I charge my H320 with a USB cable? 19.10.05 # someone said to hold Rec while inserting 19.10.13 # And did you try that? 19.10.17 # of course 19.10.22 # it doesn't seem to charge then, but not to go into UMS mode either 19.10.40 # but some weird icon of a light bulb or something appears beside the battery meter 19.10.49 # Like.. an electrical plug? 19.10.56 # no 19.10.57 Join menosm [0] (n=menosm__@user-11fadfo.dsl.mindspring.com) 19.11.06 # not like the plug that appears with the charger, at least 19.11.18 Quit zylche ("-") 19.11.33 # Well, I'm not sure if it uses the same icon or not, as all devices I have only have one method of charging. 19.11.49 # mhm 19.11.58 # the battery meter doesn't seem to imply either though 19.12.06 # but maybe that's removed from the build or something 19.12.06 # linuxstb: I've tried updating the recording patch. I can't get it to work though. It stays at 0:00 when I start recording and the peak meter stays at whatever value it has when entering the recording screen. here's where I'm at at the moment: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/pp_record_20061217.diff 19.12.33 # I'm having difficulty understanding the recording code, so any tips are welcome 19.12.47 # when removing the USB cable, the icon changes into the plug for a split second before disappearing 19.13.34 # spug: Why not actually see if the power goes up or down then? 19.14.29 # good idea! 19.14.53 # just checking if someone knew of a different USB mode or something that the manual doesn't say anything about 19.14.57 # but i'll try that 19.15.32 # * Llorean wonders why we'd leave it out of the manual. 19.15.49 Part Llorean 19.15.59 Join webguest60 [0] (i=415c73b2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-96023eca5ecaee98) 19.16.30 # yo, does the new rockbox work on the newer 80gb ipod video? 19.16.40 # no 19.16.49 # shit 19.16.51 # barrywardell: My first suggestion would be to make sure the FIQ handler is being called. I would create a new (global) variable called something like fiq_count, increment it in the fiq handler, and display it in the recording screen. 19.16.51 # only 5.5G 30GB 19.17.12 # dan_a: just copy over the mi4 rom, and unplug the usb cable right? 19.17.26 # wil it eventually be cracked? 19.17.50 # No-one can say... 19.17.57 # k 19.18.14 # linuxstb: i did put a logf() at the start of fiq_record() and it seemed to get called quite a few times 19.18.43 Join Moo [0] (i=moo@kapsi.fi) 19.19.41 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-196-192-130.netcologne.de) 19.19.50 # join #superkaramba 19.20.04 Part arkascha ("Konversation terminated!") 19.20.12 # O_o 19.20.19 # that was random 19.20.21 Quit webguest60 (Client Quit) 19.20.35 # dan_a: nevermind, got it working now 19.21.30 Quit menosm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.21.51 # barrywardell: If the FIQ is being repeated called, then it would seem all the audio codec/PortalPlayer setup has been done right, so I'm not sure where to look... I would suggest asking jhMikeS. 19.22.45 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 19.22.59 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 19.24.09 # is it normal for rockbox to only stop playing around 2-4 seconds after pressing the play/pause button on iPods? 19.24.52 # linuxstb: ok, thanks. i'll ask him about it 19.25.00 # * jhMikeS watches 19.25.25 # Kasperle: As Apple didn't build a stop button, a long press on PLAY is mapped stop. So yes, a delay is expected. 19.26.00 # barrywardell: fiq_record()? a new function. is the code available? 19.26.38 # huh? why is there even a need for a stop button 19.27.13 # linuxstb: but i meant a short press of that button. then rockbox switches to "pause" after a while. if i hold the play/pause button down, rockbox will return to the file browser after roughly the same time 19.27.40 # indeed, it seems to lag a bit sometimes 19.27.41 # * jhMikeS dropped by his IRC client for a sec and is eagerly awaiting more information... :) 19.27.53 # Kasperle - You using fade-in fade out on pause maybe? 19.28.24 # Oh right, it doesn't exist... 19.28.28 # Gotta stop dirnking. 19.28.38 # * PaulPosition shuts up 19.28.51 # dirnking...heh 19.29.46 # barrywardell: did you leave? I just got here and saw the conversion and now you've vanished and you were going to ask me something? ?? 19.30.46 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.31.25 Join mathgl [0] (n=mathgl@shm67-4-82-242-213-244.fbx.proxad.net) 19.31.50 # Windows CE! 19.32.21 # more random stuff? 19.32.42 # Aye. 19.32.59 # i wonder if windows ce would run on an ipod 19.33.37 # If ported, yes. 19.33.49 # They have some kind of ARM processor...yes? 19.34.06 # dual core ARM7 ;) 19.34.10 # CE could run on the PSP too, if someone went to the effort of porting it. 19.34.14 # but it lacks an mmu, doesn't it? 19.34.18 # i don't think it will work. 19.34.19 # It supports ARM, MIPS SH3/SH4, and x86 19.34.22 # porting w/o source is kinda hard. 19.34.24 # I guess not then. 19.34.45 # Well, you get the kernel source and source for most of the drivers in CE. 19.34.46 # jhMikeS: sorry. i was away for a minute 19.34.58 # np 19.34.59 # and quite likely an mmu 19.35.08 # Yeah, CE needs MMU, I think. 19.35.22 # barrywardell: what do you need to know about the recording code? I'll check out the diff too. 19.35.28 # anybody up for testing a patch? (not the disk poweroff ;-)) 19.35.29 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 19.35.30 # i've been trying to update FS#6096 19.35.59 # jhMikeS: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/pp_record_20061217.diff 19.36.10 # that's my attempt at an updated verwion 19.36.30 # got it 19.37.47 Join menosm [0] (n=menosm__@user-11fadfo.dsl.mindspring.com) 19.37.50 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.37.50 # n1s - what target / what does it do ? 19.37.53 # I don't see a pcm_rec_dma_start, pcm_rec_dma_stop, pcm_init_recording or pcm_close_recording. Those are required by the interface even if they're empty 19.38.31 # jhMikeS: I missed a couple of files 19.38.42 # ah 19.38.47 # PaulPosition: any bitmap target, adds colon and semicolon to the default keyboard and removes some unneccesary stuff from archos build. 19.39.08 # i've uploaded an updated patch 19.39.24 # same url? 19.39.27 # yup 19.39.44 # it's mainly the stuff in pcm-pp.c that i'm unsure about 19.40.02 # Anyway.. I meantion Windows CE because a port of the Win32 rockbox simulator would be quite interesting on devices like the Zune, other Portable Media Centers, Pocket PCs, etc. 19.40.14 # mention* 19.40.24 # probably shouldn't be peak calculation in fiq_record though 19.40.41 # I just wish I had the skill in C programming to port something like that... 19.40.42 # if anyone wants to test it, feel free http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/keyboard.diff 19.41.13 # TFGBD: now why would you want to run rhe _sim_ on the zune? 19.41.47 # rhe _sim_= the simulator for win32/linux 19.41.48 # ? 19.41.59 # the sim 19.42.05 # yes 19.42.06 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 19.42.16 Join FranzBlattler [0] (n=dspx@p54A8E4E1.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.42.21 # I don't see fiq_record calling the registered callback 19.42.38 # Why not? Its should be much easier than porting the whole thing...and it would still allow use of the built in functions. 19.42.48 # could that cause it to stay at 0:00 elapsed? 19.42.52 # yes 19.42.57 # And this app of yours seems like it would be quite interesting on Pocket PCs, etc too. 19.43.09 # look at pcm-coldfire.c and the pcm_rec_* functions and DMA1 19.43.22 # Much more userful on a portable computer than a win32 desktop/laptop. :P 19.43.36 # useful* 19.43.56 # the more_ready()? 19.44.16 # how it calls it, yes 19.44.27 # TFGBD: I would imagine that you would have to make some very drastic changes to rockbox to make it run/work well on top of win ce and keep most functionality 19.44.28 # DMA1 = fiq_record in effect 19.45.17 Quit Lear (Remote closed the connection) 19.45.44 # n1s - compiling a build with your patch now... Anything to look for? And (somewhat related) wouldn't the file renamer need to check and disallow them colons and semi's ? 19.46.15 # someone can explain, how long it takes to updare the tagcache with 6600 ogg files? 19.46.22 # Oh... I guess it already checks on filenames.. nvm 19.46.22 # Like what? 19.46.31 # It uses a lot of Win32 only apis 19.46.31 # ? 19.46.42 # jhMikeS: ok, i'll try adding that now. 19.46.59 # PaulPosition: there is a patch by rasher for checking that, which imo should be committed, but the renaming already allowed some illegal chars... 19.47.01 # It must be somewhat cross platform if it can run on linux and win32...yes? 19.47.42 # Doesn't it use SDL for most functionality? 19.48.43 # TFGBD: it uses SDL so if you keep that, you'll have an extra layer on top of the os and rockbox wouldn't integrate very nicely if you just slap the sim on there, and there are lots of stuff that isn't implemented in the sim either. 19.48.54 Quit [sellout] (SendQ exceeded) 19.49.41 # jhMikeS: does pcm_callback_more_ready = NULL not make the callback do nothing anyway? 19.49.45 # Still.. good enough... Better than nothing. ;P 19.49.53 # CE has SDL, though. 19.50.02 # What does not work in the SIM? 19.50.09 # * FranzBlattler need help 19.50.43 # sure, if someone makes a rockbox application that runs on ce I'm sure it could be made very nice, but I don't think it will be easy. 19.50.59 # and does the zune allow other apps to run? 19.51.00 # barrywardell: if the callback is NULL, it records the specified amount of data and stops 19.51.10 # The callback is set in pcm_record 19.51.14 # FranzBlattler: ask, or we can't help you 19.51.21 # No. But once someone cracks it to run 3rd party exes, it should be able to. 19.51.23 # ah, ok. 19.51.25 # pcm_record_data rather 19.51.26 # It seems they are quite close. 19.51.33 # Just need to find a way "in" 19.51.42 # (19:48:33) (FranzBlattler) someone can explain me, how long it takes to updare the tagcache with 6600 ogg files? 19.51.42 # ;-) 19.52.06 # It happened to that Gizmondo Game console, though late. (the company is gone) 19.52.26 # Though, that already let you run EXEs...they just needed to be signed. 19.52.28 # barrywardell: I think the same logic as in DMA1 should work just fine from the looks of it. 19.53.13 # n1s: Why don't you think it would be easy? It at least has already been ported to win32 and linux...right? 19.53.30 # What do you think WinCE lacks that would make it so difficult? 19.53.43 # FranzBlattler: It depends on 1) which player you have, 2)disk fragmentation 3) how many files will need to be updated 19.54.00 # TFGBD: WinCE is no more. 19.54.06 # Eh? 19.54.15 # CE 6 just came out a few weeks ago, silly :P 19.54.17 # 1) ipod video 2) dont know ^^ 3) 6600 files 19.54.54 # Do not confuse the marketing side (Windows Mobile, Pocket PC, Smartphone, etc) with the underlying OS (Windows CE) 19.55.05 # They are all still Windows CE just the same. 19.55.11 # TFGBD: recording, fmradio, and anything that does stuff to the hardware, like backlight, volume etc, will all have to be implemented through whatever api the zune os exposes 19.55.18 # Ah. I see 19.55.25 # well, that does not seem like a big loss. 19.55.34 # linuxstb: hey 19.55.42 # Most CE devices lack an fm radio anyhow. 19.56.09 # and I guess some custom plugin could be made using the dlls on the zune if a zune specific version would be made. 19.56.09 # FranzBlattler: well, if all the files are going to be added it will take a while, maybe an hour, I don't remember how long it took on my h300 19.56.31 # jhMikeS: I've just tried this: http://pastebin.ca/282596 19.56.57 # one hour? i update for weeks and there are only 2000 files ^^ 19.57.06 # For the zune, I'm sure someone could figure out how to access the APIs to control the various hardware devices. 19.57.28 # FranzBlattler: have your ipod been on for weeks? 19.57.29 # Just look at the extracted dlls in depends.exe even... 19.57.54 # no. for one hour, than the energy is gone 19.58.03 # so the Zune is running CE? Not its own OS? 19.58.19 Join alexey [0] (n=alexey@88.200.166.171) 19.58.41 Join Digamma [0] (n=Doug@bas2-kingston08-1096741015.dsl.bell.ca) 19.59.05 # jhMikeS: with that, I got "more ready" once and didn't get "end" at all 19.59.11 # but i make this for weeks 19.59.32 Quit FOAD ("Lost terminal") 19.59.46 # FranzBlattler: The only tip I can give you is to add music in several steps, a couple of hundred songs at a time and see if it works ok, 19.59.55 # barrywardell: It should probably not get end in this situation because recording never runs out or shouldn't. it is stopped explicitly 20.00.17 # maybe the only step. i hop i have enough space on my hdd ^^ 20.00.26 # also are you sure that it is updating, does the disk "led" flash? 20.00.56 # pcm_record_more has to enable the interrupt for the next transfer 20.01.05 # Is there anyone here tied to the development of the Sansa e200 port? 20.01.39 # ah, ok. i'll add that too 20.01.40 # * n1s points at barrywardell 20.02.01 # [INFO] Ipod model: Video (aka 5th Generation) 20.02.01 # [ERR] Model name in input file (CTYP) doesn't match ipod model (ipvd) 20.02.01 # [ERR] --add-bootloader failed. 20.02.03 # wtf? :( 20.02.10 # n1s? 20.02.15 # well. it makes a noise and in the upper statusbar is a cd 20.02.29 # lex: did you try to install loader 2? 20.02.32 # barrywardell: shouldn't IISCONFIG |= 0x01 be in pcm_record_more as the last line? You disabled it before calling the callback 20.02.35 # i'm trying to install... 20.02.38 # bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod 20.02.42 # is that the right one 20.02.50 # mkay 20.02.55 # i found that from the betainstallation site 20.03.16 # so i just need that 0.5 ipodpatcher and that loader? 20.03.21 # jhMikeS: yes, true. I'm going to try that now... 20.03.35 # barrywardell: as the last line of pcm_record_more? 20.03.48 # lex: what ipod do you have 20.03.53 # DerPapst: 5.5G, 30GB 20.04.10 # lex: is your firmwarepartition unchanged? 20.04.14 # i guess so 20.04.16 # yes. so then it doesn't need to be in fiq_record at all? 20.04.21 # i just today restored it 20.04.26 # lex: and it's a winpod? 20.04.27 # no, 20.04.28 # yea 20.04.29 # hmm wait 20.04.34 # barrywardell: sorry, I thought you were part of the sansa stuff 20.04.38 # maybe i accidentally did something to it 20.04.40 # lex: restored on a mac? 20.04.44 # windows 20.04.45 # but 20.04.52 # how can i restore the firmware partition, i have it right there 20.04.55 # just reenable the interrupt in pcm_record_more 20.05.02 # exactly 94 megabytes 20.05.06 # lex: with itunes 20.05.15 # hmm i guess it's the original 20.05.22 # because i didn't write anything into it 20.05.26 # ok 20.05.32 # but what's the problem then 20.05.45 # barrywardell: the fiq_record function you pastbined looked fine 20.05.50 # C:\Documents and Settings\Lex\Työpöytä\rockbox>ipodpatcher 3 -a bootloader-ipodv 20.05.53 # ideo.ipod 20.06.04 # does it matter it's on my desktop, not on C:? :( 20.06.15 # lex: i still try to understand 20.06.20 # not as long as you can navigate to them from the command line. 20.06.29 # no. the location shouldn't matter 20.06.36 # hmm 20.06.46 # input file, maybe the loader is not good 20.07.10 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod but isn't it that? 20.07.15 # n1s, Digamma: yes I am involved in the Sansa port 20.07.39 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 20.07.49 Quit alexey (Remote closed the connection) 20.07.51 # jhMikeS: that was it! thanks for the help 20.08.02 # lex: get this one: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip 20.08.14 # barrywardell: np...glad to hear it work :) 20.08.39 # DerPapst: heh, the loader in that is 60 kilobytes, it was 1 kilobyte in my one :p 20.09.06 # the links aren't working on this page 20.09.09 # barrywardell; is there any light at the end of the tunnel in regard to including SOUND in the rockbox port? 20.09.14 # yay it works 20.09.15 # use the files from this archive 20.09.21 # let's see does it boot now 20.09.24 # fine :) 20.09.29 # Yeah, of course the Zune runs CE :P 20.09.37 # Just like the Toshiba Gigabeat S did. 20.09.42 # yes, it boots, thanks :) 20.09.46 # All of the Portable Media Centers are running Windows CE. 20.09.47 # jhMikeS: while you're here. any reason why you didn't move the pcm_dma_start stuff into target tree for arm/pp? 20.09.56 # and can i boot into apple os by holding the menu? 20.09.58 # Its actually one of the 3 OSes in the 20.10.02 # lex: Those links on the wiki page don't work yet - you were just downloading an HTML page saying the file doesn't exist... 20.10.07 # :D 20.10.08 # Its actually one of the 3 OSes in the "Windows Mobile" marketing ubrella. 20.10.08 # lex: Use the hold switch 20.10.12 # Digamma: yes, there is good progress on that. there are reports of almost working sound :) 20.10.13 # oh 20.10.24 # but could i use the ipl2 some day 20.10.25 # "Windows Mobile for: Smartphone, Pocket PC, and Portable Media Center 20.10.30 # linuxstb types faster... 20.10.36 # then me 20.10.42 # barrywardell, any chance of a release soon? 20.11.00 # lex: yes you can 20.11.04 # how then 20.11.21 # anyway; thank you VERY much barrywardell 20.11.25 # Digamma: there are lots of Sansa improvements upcoming 20.11.43 # you have to use a tool called scramble. 20.11.48 # Digamma: at the moment we're waiting for a datasheet for the dac in the sansa 20.12.01 # :o 20.12.06 # havent you been waiting for that since march? 20.12.11 # The big difference between WM for PMC (as on the Zune) and Pocket PC/Smartphone is that PMC is a platform that is closed to 3rd party software. 20.12.15 # (until its hacked) ;P 20.12.20 # no, only for a couple of days 20.12.25 # ok. 20.12.38 # lex: or get this loader2: http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/loader.ipod 20.12.51 # Sorry; I havent been following Rockbox for more than a few days. I have just been reading up on it now. 20.13.10 # DerPapst: and that includes it? :) 20.13.29 # DerPapst: but do i need to restore my ipod before adding that 20.13.44 # no 20.13.58 # you can add it with -a 20.14.02 # oh, great 20.14.05 # barrywardell: I hestiate to move stuff to target/ for a player I don't own or one too very different cause I can't test it. I suppose a pcm-arm/pp.c or the like is in order though. 20.14.21 # it'll replace the other loader 20.14.47 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 20.14.55 # i see 20.15.23 # lex: do you have made a backup? 20.15.50 # yes i did 20.15.54 # from the original 20.15.58 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 20.16.00 # good. 20.16.42 # So...thoughts on the Zune and CE? :P 20.16.44 # jhMikeS: i'll make the move when I commit the recording stuff 20.17.08 Quit rretzbach (Remote closed the connection) 20.17.21 # wow nice loader 20.17.25 # thank you DerPapst again :) 20.17.39 # pcm_playback should ultimately have no hardware banging code left at all. that was the idea :) 20.17.45 # no problem 20.17.51 # n1s - keyboard seems to work allright, on my H10 5gb (128*128 screen).. Edited some text, anyway. 20.17.53 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-055-108.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.18.51 # so the Zune is running CE? Not its own OS? < I'm suprise you would think its running anything else. ;P 20.18.59 Join strabes_ [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 20.19.00 # It is sold by MS so, of course its running CE ;P 20.19.08 Quit strabes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.19.10 # My MS Router runs CE as well. :) 20.19.23 # pcm_mute should stay there though cause I'm gonna pull it out of pcm-coldfire.c since the audio chip functions were all renamed audiohw_*. 20.19.35 # suprised* 20.19.52 Quit strabes_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.20.07 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 20.20.49 # WOW NICE 20.20.58 # heh... 20.21.04 # i need only to put my finger onto the clickwheel and it moves in pokemon :p 20.21.15 # my photo couldn't do that 20.21.44 # lex: rockboy? 20.21.49 Quit Digamma ("Leaving") 20.21.49 # yea 20.21.55 # i'm sorry the developer passed away :( 20.22.28 # this work nice, except no sound and a little fps 20.22.45 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 20.23.48 # PaulPosition: thanks for testing, I'll probaly committ this soon but would like an achos tester too. 20.25.09 # can someone tell me what happens after a file is inserted in the playlist (and the plyslist was empty, so it starts playback) ? 20.25.43 # i want to intercept what's actually beign played 20.26.20 # because i want to add a cuesheet to the playlist, but make it so that the file that's actually played is the correspondong MP3 file 20.27.47 # barrywardell: are the recordings actually good and play back fine? should check the mp3 format and see if I guessed right. 20.28.29 # I'm doing some tests now. previously mp3 was broken, probably endianness issues 20.28.41 # barrywardell: you should probably add an asm optimized swap_odd_even32 as well since the codecs use it 20.29.01 # i'll look into that 20.29.09 # let's hope the ipod/h10 is fast enough to encode mp3... 20.30.00 # any archos owners (pr others up for testing) a small keyboard patch? 20.30.42 # or others* 20.30.51 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-7-158-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 20.31.13 # n1s: sure - can you post a link to a compiled Rockbox? 20.31.33 Join webguest05 [0] (i=d554be96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c0c6d42dbe4b10ee) 20.31.40 # I can build, what's your flavour? 20.31.55 # It's fine actually. Where's the patch? 20.32.11 # http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/keyboard.diff 20.32.16 Quit webguest05 (Client Quit) 20.32.34 # jhMikeS, linuxstb: mp3 encoding works. i only encoded 5 seconds though 20.35.01 # if you got that much it's probably good to go. guess I guessed right about byte reversing it :) 20.35.32 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.35.33 # Building now - what do you need me to test? 20.36.03 # should I be able to play an aiff recording on my device? 20.36.38 # just to see if the vkeyboard works ok, basically, and it's known that it's possible to rename files to illegal filenames, but it was before too. 20.37.20 # * zylche petitions against illegalising filenames! 20.37.27 # barrywardell: Yes, you should. 20.38.03 # zylche: you need a time machine and a draft copy of te fast standard to do that 20.38.13 # FAT standars 20.38.18 Quit strabes (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.38.22 # it doesn't work...not in VLC either 20.38.26 # * zylche orders a time machine from www.notascam.co.ro 20.38.52 # :-) 20.40.45 # barrywardell: if I didn't screw up the endian swap somewhere there 20.42.01 # jhMikeS: here's my recording: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/R061217-202409.aiff 20.42.32 # Hmm. Next time copy the zip file away from the virtual machine, rather than extracting over SMB, I think. 20.42.43 # hmmm...WMP says it's not good 20.42.53 # jhMikeS: VLC gives me this error: "araw: bad parameters(bits/sample)" 20.43.50 # I'll check the header 20.44.57 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-42-163.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 20.47.15 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody|Determ (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 20.47.39 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.47.40 # n1s: Yeah, it's fine. I see : and ;, and I can change file names. 20.48.34 # Cassandra: thanks for testing, feel free to test the disk poweroff patch in the tracker too :-) 20.48.53 # sample size is showing as 0000 ... hmmm 20.49.33 # H_TO_BE32(PCM_DEPTH_BITS), /* sample_size */ 20.49.36 # should be 20.49.41 # H_TO_BE16(PCM_DEPTH_BITS), /* sample_size */ 20.49.47 # in aiff_enc.c 20.50.55 # line 62 20.51.14 # n1s: No time right now. 20.51.46 # ok, thanks anyway ;-) 20.52.27 # jhMikeS: thanks. i'll test that change now... 20.53.22 # ok guys, never mind, i found what i was looking for 20.54.59 Join [Gino] [0] (n=Gino@pool-72-73-125-244.ptldme.east.verizon.net) 20.55.18 # is there anything needed to be tested for the sansa e200? 20.55.29 # Windows CE pwn j00. 20.56.02 # <[Gino]> Does anyoneknow if the power managment on the iAudio x5/x5L complete, or does it still have a short(er) battery life than the original firmware? 20.56.08 # barrywardell: Nice work with the recording btw. How's it working compared to before? 20.56.26 # playback after recording still doesn't work 20.56.32 # mp3 recording does work 20.57.10 # haven't tested gain control or different frequencies 20.57.27 # I think there might be some goofs in the macros ... rrrr 20.59.24 # jhMikeS: it plays, but the sound is garbled 20.59.30 # with AIFF 21.00.41 # some stuff looks wrong in the header 21.01.07 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.28 # I think H_TO_BE32 isn't swapping right 21.02.23 # mmm...maybe not that...looks ok 21.02.43 # Header size is shown as 00 00 00 12 = 18 big endian 21.02.50 # so that's ok 21.04.37 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p5484C118.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.05.22 # jhMikeS: this is my new file http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/R061217-205049.aiff 21.05.45 # Ok...I screwed up correcting the header but fixed it and the one you gave me played fine 21.06.31 Nick Everybody|Determ is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 21.06.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.08.23 # what do I need to change? 21.08.31 # barrywardell: that's odd consider the first was fine exept for the sample_size field 21.08.45 # s/consider/considering 21.09.13 # I don't know...did you change anything else? 21.09.45 # I heard you saying "testing, testing, testing" on the first 21.10.03 # i'll try again 21.10.41 # recording is very very slow now 21.12.21 # i must have changed something else too 21.13.44 # header looks ok on the second 21.14.56 # yep, numbers are good there 21.18.02 # In the audio editor looks like some wierd low f dampened oscillation 21.18.55 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.58 # i think I changed something that's slowing things down a lot 21.19.14 # i also get Warning: 00000001 21.20.05 Join Nailor [0] (n=nailor@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe19fa00-61.dhcp.inet.fi) 21.21.11 # Hi. I came up with a problem and the latest daily build: My iPod keeps unmounting (on Ubuntu Linux) when I disk dump the first partition (in my case /dev/sda1) 21.21.36 # Dunno does this happen with other builds, I'm just trying the rockbox install 21.21.40 # ..which now fails 21.23.21 # barrywardell: that's a pcm buffer overflow 21.23.25 Join braden0000 [0] (n=br4d3n@bas3-sudbury98-1168049201.dsl.bell.ca) 21.23.40 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.23.50 # that probably also explains the extreme slowness all of a sudden 21.23.55 # i don't know what I changed 21.26.03 # Anyone here who has installed rockbox with linux? 21.26.29 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B152A1.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.26.34 # it doesn't appear to involve the encoder to me atm. can you still do another format? 21.27.11 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD7BD6.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.27.35 # Nailor: try rmmod ehci_hcd 21.27.52 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.27.56 # the recording screen is very slow no matter what format I use. A screen update takes over a second! it wasn't like that before. I'm trying to see what has changed 21.31.37 # dionoea: I'll try, thanks. 21.33.29 # dionoea: What does that module do, anyway? 21.34.15 # it's for USB2 support i think. And that somehow messes up with my ipod here... 21.34.32 # Does anybody here have rockbox working on thier sansa? 21.34.33 # using uhci_hcd works fine 21.34.33 # oh 21.34.56 # Well. Now the bootpartition.bin is 82 megabytes 21.35.02 # Before it was around 2 to 3 21.35.17 # and the ipod didn't unmount. Thanks =) 21.35.19 # :) 21.36.21 # USB1.1 speed isn't what I would call fun... 21.36.22 Quit braden0000 () 21.36.31 Nick Arathis_ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p5484C118.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.36.35 # hehe ... 21.36.36 # But somehow linux doesn't like me as well wrt usb 21.36.42 # barrywardell: dealing with the "what the hell did I change?" factor can be a bitch! :) 21.36.45 # but does the apple rescue thing support USB2 ? 21.37.03 Join KDaWg [0] (i=K_DaWg@belkgtcnas04-3637532017.dial.bell.ca) 21.37.20 Quit KDaWg (Client Quit) 21.37.22 # USB2.0 looks like it's working, but sometimes messes up data in large files :/ 21.37.25 # especially because I don't think I changed anything! 21.37.57 # * amiconn should stick to windows for usb at least atm 21.37.57 Join deadbattery [0] (i=4474296b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0df93a8ad3869414) 21.38.06 # just line 62 in aiff_enc.c ? that's make so sense and shouldn't affect other encoders. odd 21.38.10 # dionoea: On mini G2 it definitely does 21.39.03 # Btw, if it wouldn't, linux wouldn't get into ehci trouble. 21.39.11 # It's almost like the sample rate is set really high but the encoder thinks it's 44100 21.39.25 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.39.46 # amiconn: maybe the USB2 support is buggy ... which explains the issues people are runing into 21.39.53 Quit [Gino] ("Leaving") 21.40.00 # But I mean like way, way higher than 44100 21.41.21 # dionoea: I'd rather blame linux 21.41.29 # dionoea: that actually did the trick. 21.41.29 Quit deadbattery (Client Quit) 21.41.44 # nah ... that's too easy. People always blame linux :) 21.41.58 # Though, I've been noticing some really weird behaviour with my USB 2 on this desktop machine 21.42.20 # I don't have any problems with the ipod connected to windows, and otoh the data errors I mentioned happened with my H340 connected to my linux box, not the ipod 21.42.22 # Eg. my external drive keeps on shutting down and starting up again on some ports. 21.43.23 Quit ShadowdogMU ("You know you'll miss me :P") 21.43.48 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.44.43 # Windows CE pwn j00. 21.45.07 # Nailor: That might be a different problem. There are many external harddrives which violate the USB power specs (namely 2.5" drives) 21.45.55 # ...and if the port adheres to the standard, it's supposed to shut down the device (instead of allowing it to draw excessive power) 21.47.32 Join deadbattery [0] (n=chatzill@68-116-41-107.static.rdng.or.charter.com) 21.48.00 Quit deadbattery (Client Quit) 21.48.44 # amiconn: But I don't have that problem on my laptop, and not on all ports of this computer, so.. :) 21.48.58 # Very possible. 21.50.20 Join ShadowdogMU [0] (i=Brock@cpe-65-28-252-205.woh.res.rr.com) 21.50.43 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 21.55.01 # hmm. 21.56.08 # Now my ipod displayed a some sort of a battery warning and won't turn up again even if plugged in 21.56.29 # Hold down Menu+select for 10 secs or so. 21.57.49 # That did it, I guess. 21.58.00 # How can I tell is the rockbox recharging? 21.58.12 # The original iPod made it quite clear 21.58.18 # The battery indicator on the status line will be moving. 21.58.41 # If I interpert it right, it appears to be full. Weird. 21.59.59 # barrywardell: why didn't you just use 'diff file1 file2' to find the changes in the files. okay, that would only work if you have the old file anywhere ... 22.02.59 # cvs status and cvs diff as well 22.04.29 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 22.05.34 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (n=Joerg@p57A2A812.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.06.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> hi 22.06.18 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.06.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder once published some photos of DevCon, does anybody have the url? 22.07.37 # Arathis: that's the problem. I don't have the old file... 22.08.20 # [IDC]Dragon: isn't there a link to devcon anymore? 22.08.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, in the wiki, but not with the pictures 22.08.53 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-098-206.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.09.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> only empty chairs 22.09.15 # indeed... 22.10.48 # barrywardell: that's why I never close the editor while in progress. but gedit for example keeps a tempfile of the last save. like "~file" 22.11.14 # the files are still open too... 22.12.01 # but I don't see any changes 22.12.28 Quit rretzbach ("WeeChat 0.2.2-cvs") 22.12.56 # so you could have made undo and "save as" and than diff 22.15.13 # [IDC]Dragon: http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2006/ 22.15.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> great, many thanks 22.15.52 # barrywardell: I'd check your hardware setup esp. samplerates cause it sounds like it's getting flooded out with muy mucho data which I guess would also explain the slow screen. 22.16.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'll add that to the wiki 22.17.22 # jhMikeS: aah, found the problem. 22.17.46 # i had removed the check for FIFO_FULL_COUNT < 2 22.20.18 # oops! :) ... I do that stuff too sometimes and it drives me nuts 22.20.43 # i don't know whether to be annoyed or relieved! 22.25.27 Quit cynicalliberal ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]") 22.29.07 # jhMikeS: the aiff recordings also work fine 22.29.59 # excellent. what about wavpack and wav? 22.30.34 # yes, they work fine too 22.31.15 Part Nailor 22.32.55 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.34.10 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.34.42 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 22.38.48 # you get interrupts before the requested amount is ready on pp? that sure explains the pcm overflow 22.40.04 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 22.41.42 # apparently so 22.42.04 # gtg. i posted an updated patch on FS#6096 if anyone wants to test 22.42.17 # i'll probably commit it tomorrow unless there are any major problems. 22.43.31 Quit barrywardell () 22.46.35 Join Disorder [0] (n=josephbe@c-68-45-223-180.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 22.46.46 # hello 22.47.11 # Quick question, How do I add new music to my Ipod nano using rockbox 22.52.50 Quit Siku () 22.57.33 # just copy it to the player using windows explorer 22.57.45 # or use itunes and the Rockbox database 23.03.10 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-42-163.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 23.06.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.06.51 # Any adventurous Windows using ipod owners want to test http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-scan.zip ? This implements a very simple "--scan" option that tests all the disks on your computer to see if any are ipods. 23.07.17 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 23.11.10 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d564d9db9eb53f21) 23.12.11 # I'll test it. 23.12.12 # Hold on. 23.12.16 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.17.24 # [INFO] Scanning disk devices... 23.17.24 # [INFO] Ipod found - 1st Generation Nano - disk device 5 23.17.25 # [INFO] Ipod found - Video (aka 5th Generation) - disk device 7 23.17.28 # The only thing I'm worried about is that it tries to read from all the disks in order to indentify the device from the disk structure. But it opens all disks read-only, so it should be harmless... 23.17.35 # Assuming those are right, looks good. 23.17.37 Quit Landus (Nick collision from services.) 23.17.38 # But that looks a good result... 23.17.51 Join Landus [0] (i=Landus@70-100-181-192.dsl1-erie.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) 23.18.34 # Yep, it reports the individual drives as I've expect with -l. Looks good. 23.19.03 # Thanks. 23.19.49 # It simply tries all devices from 0 to 25 one by one, so it's not the best way to find them. But it seems to work... 23.20.06 # (and on Linux /dev/sda to /dev/sdz etc) 23.20.49 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.20.56 # linuxstb, I'm thinking of doing something very similar for Windows autodetect in rbutil. 23.21.40 # Bear in mind that my system has five MP3 players attached to it at the moment. Good stress test for any auto-detector. ;) 23.21.53 Quit markun ("leaving") 23.23.42 Nick JoeXBorn is now known as JoeBorn (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 23.23.56 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 23.24.00 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.24.30 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 23.26.38 Quit courtc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.29.54 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 23.31.53 # Does anyone know if there is still development going on at the archos jukebox series? 23.32.01 Quit Juice^ ("- nbs-irc 2.0 - www.nbs-irc.net -") 23.32.13 Join jesselnz [0] (n=jesse@ool-44c52a22.dyn.optonline.net) 23.32.14 # most development is for all targets. 23.32.52 # ah ok so it can be ported all players 23.33.18 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.34.27 # a large part of rockbox is the same on all players and any changes to that will affect all those targets. This part is mainly the user interface and other high level parts. 23.34.51 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 23.35.39 # Has anyone installed rockbox on an X5? 23.35.55 # I'm sure someone has ;-) 23.35.58 # I can't install the bootloader. 23.36.07 # i get it, i was just wondering if the daily build would contain anything new. 23.36.18 # My X5 just deletes the .bin file. 23.36.39 # jesselnz: did you follow the instructions? and where does it fail. 23.36.55 # * relaxed just bought a 30gig ipod for $175 :) 23.37.12 # n1s: Yes, it fails right after I copy the file to FIRMWARE/ and restart. 23.37.55 # jesselnz: and you are sure you got the right bootloader? 23.39.23 # n1s: Yeah, x5_fw.bin 23.40.08 # from here: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iaudio/ ? 23.41.03 # yeah 23.41.49 Quit joris ("Ex-Chat") 23.41.59 # n1s: Re your commit - it's possible to get rid of one #ifdef without changing the actual code... 23.42.20 # and your player is _not_ x5v, and you are certain that the bootloader didn't get installed, I suppose it will fall back to loading the original firmware if rockbox isn't found. 23.42.27 # It's a trick I am using quite often - nothing stops you from using a plain { } in C 23.42.28 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 23.43.01 # So if you place the end of the first #ifdef _before_ the opening brace after 'else', you don't need to ifdef the closing brace 23.43.25 # amiconn: oh, didn't know about that, I'll change it. 23.43.32 # n1s: No, it won't fall back - X5 rockbox isn't dualboot 23.43.49 # right, forgot that 23.43.57 # Dunno what it does when rockbox.iaudio is missing, never tried... 23.43.59 # n1s: It's an X5L, and I've tried both x5_fw and x5v_fw. They both get deleted. 23.44.19 # X5L needs x5_fw.bin 23.44.30 # alright 23.44.53 # any major changes for the X5 in rockbox recently 23.44.54 # ? 23.45.06 # And if you follow the procedure as described in the iaudio manual (just replacing standard x5_fw.bin with the rockbox bootloader one) it always worked for me 23.45.29 # you do "safe disconnect" when you disconnect the x5 from the pc? 23.45.34 # Put x5_fw.bin on the device, power it down, then start it _by plugging the charger_ 23.45.49 # What's safe connect? 23.46.00 # I just unmount the directory, and unplug it from the subpack. 23.46.06 # * disconnect 23.46.09 # The X5 won't flash without the charger 23.46.40 Quit Disorder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.46.51 Quit webguest70 ("CGI:IRC") 23.47.22 # * amiconn just tried what happens on X5 when no rockbox.iaudio is present 23.47.54 # When I take out the USB wire and put the X5 back on the charger, it just starts charging normally, then when I turn it on it boots normally (taking a little longer than normal), and deletes the file. 23.47.58 # Rockbox bootloader appears - then a hard power-down follows. HD emergency park, not really nice :/ 23.48.28 # jesselnz: Please read again: Power off after unplugging, then boot _by_ plugging the charger 23.49.31 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-098b4014f351bbcb) 23.50.19 # Anyone know what the "whole disk" devices are called on BSD? i.e. the equivalent to Linux's /dev/sd[a-z] 23.51.52 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 23.53.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> hi Jens! 23.54.46 # linuxstb_: ide devices are called ad0, ad1, ..., scsi devices are called da0, da1, ... 23.54.50 Quit jesselnz ("leaving") 23.55.04 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 23.56.30 # linuxstb_: ipods will most likely appear as da* 23.57.29 # OK, thanks. I'll use da* for ipodpatcher's simple scan option. 23.58.24 # it wouldn't make much sense to scan partitions though, i.e. da0s1, da0s2, ... 23.58.34 # (or "slices", as we say ;)) 23.58.37 # No, it just scans the whole-disk devices. 23.58.42 Join deadbattery [0] (n=chatzill@68-116-41-107.static.rdng.or.charter.com)