--- Log for 18.12.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 16 hours ago 00.00.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> ucl gets a problem then, making 2 blocks from it. There is an option to make larger blocks than the default 256 KB. 00.00.32 # Kasperle: It's in CVS now if you want to try it. 00.01.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> I will add that to the build process, just in case somebody else will stumble over it. 00.01.28 Quit strabes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.02.22 # The old compiler is, erm, old ;) It's not recommended for a rather long time now... 00.02.33 # But what's the problem with more than one block? 00.02.41 # linuxstb_: finds it 00.03.06 # linuxstb_: but it lists " -l, --list" twice now, when started with no arguments 00.03.25 # Is the ucl decruncher too much 'thinned out' to handle them? 00.04.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes 00.04.46 # Kasperle: Thanks, fixed. 00.04.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> what's the poop about the new compiler? 00.04.54 # ? 00.05.20 Join Disorder [0] (n=josephbe@c-68-45-223-180.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 00.05.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> what great new things does it bring in? 00.05.38 # (1) With my patch we can use -Os (2) -Os is _way_ more efficient with gcc 4.0.x tahn with 3.4.x or 3.3.x 00.05.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> and why is is patched? 00.05.51 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!") 00.06.18 # There's a bug in the SH back-end that creates wrong jumptables (for switch() ) under certain conditions 00.06.32 # ...happening with -O2 and higher 00.06.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> sounds like fun to hunt for... 00.06.54 # Since -Os is essentially -O2 with size-increasing options disabled, it also hits there 00.07.06 # linuxstb_: if you're looking for other "autodetection" options, you could run "camcontrol devlist" on recent FreeBSD versions. that'll output something like " at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0)" 00.07.08 # The idication in the asm and the problem itself are rather obvious 00.07.57 # But myfix, while working nicely, isn't a proper solution and hence probably not suited for gcc cvs inclusion 00.08.14 # (and imho the gcc team is not really a cooperative one) 00.08.35 # does anyone know whether newer ipods simply do not support firewire, or whether apple just ships them with usb cables and firewire would still work with a different cable? according to portalplayer, the pp5020 supports firewire 00.09.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> I have now upgraded to the new toolchain 00.09.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> went flawless 00.09.45 # The problem is even relaitively simple to explain: The SH loads bytes and words sign-extended, and gcc uses byte-sized and word-sized jumptables with higher -O levels 00.10.33 # Gcc has to decide whether to use signed byte, unsigned byte or word jumptable 00.10.38 Part deadbattery ("User is away.") 00.10.49 # And the check compares <= 127 and <= 255 00.10.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> and now you wast a bit 00.11.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> waste 00.11.15 # nope 00.11.23 # <[IDC]Dragon> oh, even better 00.11.48 # So if the number of case:s is odd _and_ the last case: is _exactly_ 127 or 255 bytes forward, the bug hits 00.12.04 # Kasperle: They don't support firewire (apart from charging via firewire). The Nano/5g have a PP5021, not a PP5020. 00.12.16 # ..since gcc calculates the pure jumptable size, but later has to pad one byte because of instruction alignment 00.12.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> ha 00.12.55 # I just changed the check to <= 126 and <= 254, respectively 00.13.21 # The proper fix would be to fix the jumptable size calculation to take alignment into account 00.13.54 # ...but that's beyond me. Trust me, I tried to follow th eendless code paths in the gcc sources... 00.14.11 Quit lini (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.14.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> oh dear 00.15.43 # linuxstb_: oh. that's too bad 00.15.50 # This bug is present in all gcc versions I checked (from 3.3.x thru 4.1.x) 00.21.28 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.27.43 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 00.29.23 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 00.30.59 Join xfox [0] (n=xyz@pool-72-89-220-142.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 00.33.18 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 00.33.36 # * linuxstb_ pings Bagder 00.34.02 # I got your PM and will fix that soonish 00.34.16 # having a hard time with my kids tonight getting them to sleep... 00.34.37 # np, thanks. I just wanted to say I've updated the zip file on my site. 00.34.49 # same URL ? 00.34.53 # Yes. 00.35.09 # ok, I refetched 00.37.04 # ok, they're now copied to the download area 00.37.58 # Thanks. 00.38.22 # is there an emulator that you can test the code on? 00.38.46 # there's a simulator 00.39.05 # cool, I was thinking of writing some code for the rockbox 00.39.23 # most apps and plugins etc can be tested and developed using the simulator 00.39.30 # where should I start? :) 00.39.36 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B152A1.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.39.45 # xfox: get a dev environment and build your own rockbox 00.39.54 # from cvs sources 00.40.13 # cool 00.40.36 # I didn't see the simulator though, is it on the site? 00.40.47 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.40.49 # it is in the source tree as well 00.41.02 # you build it like you build for target, just select sim in configure 00.41.19 # oh, I see 00.41.33 # since it doesn't run target code, it runs native built code 00.41.45 # just simulating, not emulating 00.42.44 Quit ender` (" cd /pub && get beer") 00.43.50 # can you see like some sort of picture of the LCD (say iRiver H320)? 00.44.27 # the simulator shows what would appear on the LCD in a window 00.44.55 # yup, that's what I'm after... because I'd like to see what's going on 00.45.29 # I'll probably start with something simple some sort of visual enhancements etc 00.49.13 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A83B03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.55.16 # Bagder: Good news from MrH! 00.56.09 # What's he done now? Peace in the middle east? 00.57.28 # Yep. He started reverse engineered a peace deal and then realised that what he was finding matched perfectly with an existing framework document... 00.57.47 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 00.57.53 # :) 00.58.45 # (Or maybe just confirmed the mail that was sent to the dev list the other day. UOG_ID in the Freescale documentation seems to be the register we have as USB2D_IDENT) 01.00.35 Quit [IDC]Dragon (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.02.20 # Howdy all. I'm very new to rockbox development, and I'm trying to build, but I'm getting the error that there's no rule to make rtc_pcf50605.o. I was wondering if anyone else is having this proble -- I haven't really made any changes to the code yet... just did a cvs up a few minutes ago, along with a make clean prior to attempting the make (also tried re-running configure) 01.04.49 # Which target are you trying to build? 01.05.49 # the regular build for the ipod mini 1g 01.06.16 Join Morrison [0] (n=Morrison@ipd50a5ca4.speed.planet.nl) 01.06.28 # ahoy chaps 01.06.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.08.20 # maquis: mini builds fine here, did it use to work? 01.08.41 # maquis: Do you have the file firmware/drivers/rtc_pcf50605.c ? Also, do you use "cvs update -dP" ? 01.09.02 # n1s: yeah.. used to 01.09.11 # linuxstb_: i didn't use -dP... that might be my problem 01.09.29 # yes, -d fetches new files, can be handy :-) 01.10.43 # could someone point me to what code is executed when the user selects an audio file in the tree to play it (without using the context menu, he justs clicks on it) ? 01.10.55 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 01.11.00 Part n1s 01.14.04 Join aly76 [0] (n=ams@81-86-152-252.dsl.pipex.com) 01.16.19 # when u click to play in the simulator, does the song supposed to play through speakers? 01.16.27 # ah, found it, it's in filetree.c, forgot to look there 01.18.45 # oh k, nm it works now :) 01.18.58 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.186.171) 01.20.28 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 01.22.03 # linuxstb_: thx for the help... 01.27.33 Quit pixelma (" g'night") 01.27.58 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.28.35 Join realm [0] (i=46956c9a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-660f26264b54f550) 01.28.40 # hello everyone 01.28.44 # i have a question question 01.28.46 # can someone help me? 01.29.25 # I'd like to know if someone would be willing to put two lines into the sudoku plugin so that it sets a foreground and background color on plugin entry.. It's been a month now that the grids become invisible with most themes' .cfg but creating a patch and going through the flyspray process seems overkill.. :( 01.30.06 # how do i play videos that have already been converted for ipod use on rockbox? 01.30.20 # it seemes rockbox cant play videos? 01.30.34 # it can't. 01.30.35 # when i switch over to the ipod firmware it works just fine 01.30.43 # oh 01.30.47 # realm - different formats. 01.30.50 # rockbox isn't the ipod firmware. 01.30.59 # how do i play vids on rockbox then? 01.31.31 # well, you can't, not very well (no audio, will be laggy/slow). it's far better to just use the ipod firmware for video. 01.31.33 # i alrady tried all the main types of formates 01.31.41 # realm - There's probably a converter for it.. But there's no sound as of yet so you might want to stick with dualbooting to original firmware for video (for the time being..) 01.31.42 # *formats 01.31.49 # damn 01.32.48 # honestly i had some porn on disk storage and i was trying to browse to it on rockboxc and play it there so its not in my general videos list on the ipod firmware 01.32.50 # this sucks lol 01.33.07 # how laggy/slow will it be? 01.33.34 # haha. you'll have to convert all of it to audioless format and depending on the resolution/quality probably like half-speed. 01.33.54 # ok 01.33.56 # oine more question 01.34.03 # is there anyway to hide that shit on there? 01.34.11 # so i can still watch it on ipod firmware 01.34.17 # but i want to hide it somewhere 01.34.40 # i know the ipod firmware doesnt have a file browser like rockbox 01.34.49 # (which is what kicks so much ass about rockbox) 01.34.57 # well, copying any video over from itunes will rather hide it by renaming it weirdly and placing it in a random folder in the ipod_control/music folder.. 01.35.32 # but when u go to the videos folder (where i have a shitload of family guy eps that my friends watch all the time) youll see it there plain as day 01.35.39 # midkay - He wants it hidden from Apple firmware.. Not very possible I think, and a question for Apple or iTunes devs.. :( 01.35.58 # well, don't copy it over from itunes? or you mean hidden nested in some weird menu? 01.36.07 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 01.36.34 # the ideal thing would be to find some type of 3rd party filebrowser add-on or something for the itunes firmware 01.36.40 # you can't really hide it, nah.. not like creating folders in a file view. ipod firmware simply has a videos section and that's that.. 01.36.43 # so i can just browse the disk and play it from there 01.36.52 # can't. :\ 01.37.03 # damn 01.37.04 # that blows 01.37.17 # you're telling me NO ONE else has asked how to hide their porn on their ipod? 01.37.21 # what is this world coming to... 01.37.24 # haha. 01.37.24 # :( 01.37.31 # not necessarily, there's just no way! 01.37.34 # hahaha 01.37.38 # noooo 01.37.45 # i wish i was a programmer dude 01.37.49 # id jump on that right away 01.38.07 # we need a place to hide porn safely from our children and wives 01.38.10 # you can't really do anything to the iPod firmare anyways (well, where there's a will there's a way, but reasonably, no). 01.38.15 # haha. 01.38.16 # what kind of world are we living in? 01.38.22 # it's a sick one! 01.38.26 # i know man... 01.38.28 # i know 01.38.30 # ::shudders:: 01.38.59 # so what do u guys do to hide your porn on your ipod? 01.39.02 # or do u just not care? 01.39.16 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.39.17 # So I'm asking again... Sudoku *really* misses a call to rb->lcd_set_foreground(LCD_BLACK); on plugin entry so that it displays grid no matter what fore/back-ground are set. Would anyone with check-in rights make the change or does it *really* need to go through a new flyspray patch submission..? 01.39.19 # some of use even don't have an ipod! 01.39.24 # I don't store porn on my ipod 01.39.27 # realm -I don't look at video on my dap. 01.39.29 Quit [sellout] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.39.30 # s/use/us/ 01.39.34 # damn 01.39.41 # im so out of luck its not even funny 01.39.44 # hey 01.39.44 # well, I don't have an ipod anyway, but I wouldn't store porn on it anyway 01.39.45 # question 01.39.46 # haha. 01.39.46 Join [sellout] [0] (n=sellout@c-69-241-206-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 01.39.51 # lmfao 01.39.52 # dude 01.39.57 # I mean, why look at porn on a tiny screen when I can look at it on my 19" TFT? 01.40.06 # u never took a dump and just suddenly decided u needed to wack it while everyone was sleeping? 01.40.10 # PaulPosition: wouldn't that conflict with user backdrops potentially? 01.40.17 # far more satisfying experience 01.40.23 # yea with my wife in the room 01.40.24 # good idea bro 01.40.26 # or what if someone set fg white, bg black.. forcing fg black would mean it's unusable as well. 01.40.27 # thanks for the insight 01.40.40 # realm: put your monitor in a better location :P 01.40.43 # lmao 01.40.49 # i need a 19" in my bathroom 01.40.49 # for sure 01.40.57 # id like handheld porn tho 01.40.58 # haha. 01.41.02 # its something about the portability 01.41.04 # heh 01.41.05 # its just..... 01.41.06 # awsome 01.41.09 # kind of awkward position, too 01.41.15 # fuck that man 01.41.17 # I guess you could put the device down while you whack off 01.41.23 # dude 01.41.24 # * dan_a thinks we are getting off topic 01.41.25 # i have 2 hands 01.41.26 # but otherwise, I can see some accidents happen 01.41.37 # awww 01.41.42 # ing 01.41.46 # oh well, time to go pass out 01.41.54 # later man 01.41.58 # ok one more serious question tho 01.42.15 # i just did a quick search and found some other thing like rockbox that runs on linux 01.42.22 # does that thing play videos well? 01.42.35 # and does it allow you to switch between firmwares like rockbox? 01.42.46 # i didnt do much reaserach on it so im sorry if im wasting your time guys 01.42.51 # midkay - Sudoku draws a white-ish board and (depending on foreground set) white/whatever grids over it, not very practical.. For all I know initialising colours from a plugin doesn't outlive the plugin execution. I guess the original colours from the theme are stacked and reloaded or somehing.. 01.42.58 # iPodLinux? you should ask them in #ipodlinux.. it's pretty complicated and i don't think the video player works very well but if you're desperate... 01.43.07 # nope 01.43.08 # not desperate 01.43.10 # lol 01.43.14 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 01.43.18 # midkay - The background colour (or backdrop maybe) only shows *beside* the board.. 01.43.20 # rockbox was complicated enough for me 01.43.23 # PaulPosition: ah, i didn't realize sudoku sets bg but not fg.. 01.43.33 # i thought if you set fg it'd conflict with bg sometimes. 01.43.42 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]") 01.43.51 # realm: haha. 01.44.15 # ok this is my LAST and final question.... 01.44.23 # when the hell are u guys gonna get some kick ass video on rockbox! 01.44.23 # augggh!!! 01.44.28 # heh 01.44.29 # midkay - It doesn't set a bg per se, it just draws a board. Patch I have here from Ashen over at misticriver sets a pale blue background, but that doesn't change the board's white, just the colour 'behind' it.. 01.44.31 # haha im just kidding 01.44.43 # but serious that would make it 1million times more kick ass than it already is 01.44.47 # *seriuosly 01.45.05 # PaulPosition: ah, i see... hm.. well, yeah, definitely should set the fg then. if my environment was up and running, i would.. 01.45.13 # ill stop wasting your time lol 01.45.15 # later guys 01.45.19 # laters realm 01.45.58 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) 01.45.58 Quit realm ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.46.02 Quit zzap (Excess Flood) 01.46.02 Join hoohoos [0] (i=46956c9a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b5f6d62d94bb91d1) 01.46.02 # gotta love the video player. :> 01.46.18 Join zzap [0] (i=zzap@204.8.220.119) 01.46.31 Part qwm 01.47.16 Quit zzap (Excess Flood) 01.47.22 Join zzap [0] (i=zzap@204.8.220.119) 01.50.09 Quit Morrison ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.50.37 # jhMikeS: should the pcm_calculate_peaks() be moved to the target tree? 01.50.56 Quit hoohoos (Client Quit) 01.55.19 # barrywardell: yes, if it uses hardware specific stuff like the coldfire one does 01.55.27 Quit PaulPosition () 01.59.37 # though I'm pondering which bit shouldn't which might be the calc itself, not the setup for it. The pp probably has a fast multiply? 02.00.52 # a version optimised for the PP could probably be made 02.01.07 # but the current one doesn't look like it's specific to PP 02.01.34 # * MarcoPolo is away: Zzzzzzz 02.01.37 Nick MarcoPolo is now known as MarcoPolo|AFK (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 02.02.14 Quit Disorder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.19 # look what I added for cf today and perhaps the pcm_peak_peeker function is good for many ports? 02.04.57 # but I was thinking asm for coldfire for that too and it can save a few asm instructions over the c version...hmmm 02.05.17 Join Gekk0 [0] (n=b@CPE-60-228-36-235.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 02.05.23 # hey 02.05.36 # looks quite generic as it is at the moment 02.05.54 # ? 02.06.01 # i assume i missed something. 02.06.24 # but optimising the peak meters seems like it would be quite important. they seem to slow down PP targets a lot. 02.07.25 # is there a new set time for rockbox 3 to be released? 02.07.27 Join gotthardt [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-21-40-208.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 02.07.45 # * MarcoPolo|AFK is away: Zzzzzzzzzzz 02.07.46 # Gekk0: No 02.08.07 # * MarcoPolo|AFK is away: Zzzzzzzzzzz 02.08.42 # * MarcoPolo|AFK is away: Zzzzzzzzzzz 02.09.01 # * MarcoPolo|AFK is away: Zzzzzzzzzzz 02.09.26 # * MarcoPolo|AFK is away: Zzzzzzzzzzz 02.09.37 # * MarcoPolo|AFK is away: Zzzzzzzzzzz 02.09.51 # okay. 02.10.04 # is there anything specific that is trying to be achieved for version 3? 02.10.18 # * MarcoPolo|AFK is away: Zzzzzzzzzzz 02.10.51 # jhMikeS: also, what about the code in audio-*.c? for the moment, that seems fairly generic for the PP targets. although maybe it will eventually be more target specific? 02.11.05 # barrywardell: peakmeter probably should be moved then 02.11.39 # I targeted that cause it was too full of #ifdef and the setup isn't the quite the same for iAudio and iRiver 02.12.12 # made it easier to clean up higher level code too 02.12.21 # ah, ok. i'll make it audio-pp.c 02.12.51 Join Disorder [0] (n=josephbe@c-68-45-223-180.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 02.13.47 Quit Disorder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.14.04 Join Disorder [0] (n=josephbe@c-68-45-223-180.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 02.15.43 # pp version doesn't have all the register writing like cf though if that version's final. some things look simpler there. 02.16.28 # is there a way i can get added to the svn users? 02.16.48 Quit xfox ("reboot") 02.16.50 # i upgraded the solitaire slightly so you can use the menu from jewels for audio 02.17.01 # barrywardell: If you're still around, could I ask you to create a new ipodpatcher Mac OS X binary from the current CVS? It can wait until morning - it needs Bagder to put it on download.rockbox.org. 02.17.23 # linuxstb_: i'll do that now... 02.21.25 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.21.36 # linuxstb_: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/ipodpatcher 02.21.57 # mornin all 02.24.06 # JdGordon: hi 02.24.13 # hey 02.24.13 # i was just going to leave 02.24.26 # it's time to go to bed for me ;) 02.24.32 # did you check my latest version of the path? 02.24.35 # barrywardell: Thanks. 02.24.37 # i've just finished editing the wiki 02.24.42 # yes, i did 02.24.46 # ok, ill have a look 02.24.49 # what did you think? 02.25.31 # linuxstb_: do you think it's OK to commit the recording patch? there are still some bugs, but it's a start. 02.25.41 # i didn't test it because it doesn't work in the sim and i didn't boot windows 02.26.14 # i started adding the code to the core 02.26.38 # linuxstb_: it adds the files target/arm/pcm-pp.c and target/arm/audio-pp.c. are the reasonable filenames? 02.27.11 # also i had a look at how the A-B repeat feature adds marker to the progressbar... seems pretty easy to do the same for cuesheets 02.28.04 # barrywardell: Yes to all your questions. 02.29.15 # Nico_P: you dont handle the wps code at all in the patch? 02.29.18 Quit MarcoPolo|AFK (Remote closed the connection) 02.29.20 # or did I miss it? 02.29.22 # JdGordon: not yet 02.29.26 # ok 02.29.28 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 02.29.56 Quit dan_a (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.30.40 Part Disorder 02.30.48 # JdGordon: i'm going to bed now, but i'll be back in about 8 hrs, so i suppose you'll still be there ? 02.30.56 # shuold be 02.30.59 # gnite 02.31.06 # thx, bye 02.31.15 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.31.17 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.31.48 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 02.37.41 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 02.38.36 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 02.39.01 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 02.39.03 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 02.39.10 # Just bought a 30gig ipod (5.5gen) and know it's not supported right now but I read in the forum that rockbox installs and works ok on it. Should I follow the guide for installing on a ipod video or are there special directions anywhere? 02.40.41 # there might be on the ipodlinux forums 02.40.44 # search i guess. 02.41.23 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 02.41.56 # relaxed: official support for it should be coming very soon 02.42.51 # and why would you search on the ipl forums for instructions on installing rockbox? 02.44.03 # its all ipod 02.44.14 # and ipodlinux is what they put on the 5.5g first 02.44.19 # its not entirely properly documented yet 02.44.31 # the ipod firmware doesnt work anymore when you put rockbox/ipl on. 02.45.36 # there is a 22 page thread on our forums about it... 02.46.06 # going to the ipl forums is the wrong place to go for *anything* rockbox 02.46.25 # just as rockbox is the wrong place to go for anything ipl 02.46.28 # how much did the 2gb 1st gen ipod nanos cost, anyone know? 02.46.44 # BetaCookies: google ;) 02.46.49 # i cant find it 02.46.49 # in AUD? 02.46.52 # $300. 02.47.05 # more or less than USD? 02.47.11 # like the equivilent? 02.47.11 # Gekk0: no way, my sister got a 4gig for 300AUD 02.47.44 # BetaCookies: go into google and type in 300 AUD to USD 02.47.51 # scorche i did 02.47.51 # on release, it was $300 02.47.59 # oh ok 02.48.02 # but it might have been more in aud than in usd, even the equivilent 02.48.09 # yeh 02.48.09 # 300AUD is about 240US 02.48.10 # scorche: Good the hear support is coming. 22 page thread on installing or something else? 02.48.11 # it always is 02.48.18 # equivalent* 02.48.19 # 2gb in US 02.48.21 # was about $200 02.48.22 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 02.48.25 # okay 02.48.27 # good to know 02.48.29 # in australia for some gay annoying reason it was $300 02.48.36 # relaxed: on the port effort in general...there are instructions on the first page though 02.48.37 # stupid exchange rate tarrifs and tax. 02.48.37 # since I'm buying a gp2x for less, with more shtuff 02.48.51 # yay for linux gaming consoles! 02.49.02 # and ps3 02.49.05 # supports linux default 02.49.07 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 02.49.29 Quit jaebird (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.49.57 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 02.50.04 # BetaCookies: it was 199 USD on retail 02.50.09 # okay 02.50.23 # ...found via a google search 02.50.31 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable156.246-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 02.50.33 # i told you that 02.50.36 # I TOLD YOU! lol 02.50.47 # o_O 02.50.58 # scorche: I found it, thanks :) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 02.51.35 # ill follow you there :D 02.53.02 # When you create patch files, what kind of diff exactly you guys use to create? unified (-u) ? 02.53.26 # -u 02.53.46 Quit roolku () 02.53.49 # thanks.. 02.55.15 # why does windows suck so much as a development platform? 02.55.34 # * JdGordon doesnt tihnk so 02.55.44 # Natively 02.55.45 # i mean 02.55.51 # you have to emulate many things 02.56.08 # what? 02.56.15 # Cygwin for example? 02.56.27 # or have to use addons 02.56.31 # such as MinGW 02.56.35 # if your using cygwin your not developing for windows, so of courswe its crap 02.57.09 # writing gui apps for windows is much less PITA than linux, you only have 1 library, not 3 to choose from and support 02.57.32 # thats not what i meant lol 02.57.46 # i should have been more specific 02.57.55 # you didnt type what you meant either 02.57.58 # a crossplatform development environemtn 02.58.04 # windows sucks at that 02.58.37 # because windows is abour windows... not other OS's 02.58.45 # I know, windows is evil lol 02.58.49 # i wish i could use GNOME on windows. 02.59.02 # you can use kde 4 when its rleeased on windows :D 02.59.07 # and gnome isnt linux... 02.59.07 # really? 02.59.11 # i know 02.59.12 # i didnt say that 02.59.13 # thats what i read 02.59.24 # yes you did.. you equetd gnome with windows... 02.59.29 # equated* 02.59.32 # [12:58] i wish i could use GNOME on windows. 02.59.35 # ON 02.59.37 # lol 03.00.06 # i wish i could use the GNOME environment in Windows. There. 03.00.37 Join byte`````` [0] (n=ms@cable-87-116-141-98.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 03.01.08 # Okay, sorry if I come off as a pain in the ass... Anyone with check-in rights willing to look at and maybe commit a one-line patch that sets a foreground color on the sudoku plugin? I'd think it's stupid to go through flyspray and get any sort of credit for *that*.. http://pastebin.ca/283069 03.01.47 Part byte`````` 03.01.58 Join Tman [0] (i=nobody@unaffiliated/tman) 03.02.02 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 03.02.15 # does apple still make 5th-gen, non 5.5-gen video ipods? 03.02.51 # PaulPosition: sure 03.02.59 # and does anyone forsee rockbox being supported on a 5.5-gen ipod in the near future? 03.03.19 # PaulPosition: shouoldnt sudoku use the uer settings for fore/back ground colours? 03.03.48 # Tman: yes. 03.03.57 # Gekk0: to which question? :p 03.04.15 # secone 03.04.20 # first one, im unsure 03.04.24 # okay 03.04.32 # Gekk0: any idea how soon? 03.04.32 # JdGordon - Well, thing is it *doesn't* set any background, it's pure white (bmp) tiles and whatever foreground the user has set.. Since most themes use light-on-dark scheme, the grid almost never gets displayed on the white board.. 03.04.50 # JdGordon - As for the background, it only show beside/behind the board. 03.05.12 # its already working 03.05.13 # slightly 03.05.18 # rockbox runs, ipodlinux runs 03.05.26 # but the normal firmware, it dont like it 03.05.52 # :o are they trying to snuff us out 03.05.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 03.06.09 # thanks 03.06.42 # Gekk0: er.. it will work on a 30GB ipod video right? 03.06.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.07.33 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 03.07.39 # i assume so. 03.07.48 # make a backup before attempting anything 03.07.50 # as this is beta 03.08.04 # backup as in, dont leave anything on ur ipod that you cant put back on there 03.08.04 # :P 03.08.12 # the wiki page only says 80GB (though main site isn't as specific) 03.08.17 # if you screw up, just use the apple restorer. 03.08.18 # alright :p 03.08.39 # id you screw that up, which i cant imagine how, ill be here for 2 more hours 03.08.40 # :D 03.08.42 # ohh.. nevermind, that was the list of ipods that it -doesn't- work on 03.08.55 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-35-201-19.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 03.08.59 # Gekk0: actually I'm looking at which ipod to buy first ;p 03.09.40 # lol 03.09.41 # ok 03.09.55 # who here has control of the ipodinstallation page?! 03.10.03 # it requires instant attention at one point 03.10.12 # you need to kill the process ipodservice.exe 03.10.15 # it doesnt say that 03.10.20 # if you dont, it can screw up. 03.10.27 Quit jaebird (Client Quit) 03.10.37 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 03.10.44 Quit theconley (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.11.07 # Gekk0: and you're sure that it does in fact work on gen 5.5, not just gen 5? (the website says 5.5 isn't supported) 03.11.13 # Tman: rockbox will work on the 80GB eventually, and I suggest it. 03.11.37 # nah, I'm just going to get 30GB anyway :p 03.11.47 # not only does it have more HD space, it also has a larger battery, and 64MB of buffer RAM compared to the 30GB's 32MB of buffer RAM. 03.12.04 # its not supported 03.12.06 # personally, I think that makes it a $100 well spent. 03.12.09 # but it does work so ive heard. 03.12.09 # and more expensive :p 03.12.10 # Gekk0: it will be. 03.12.21 # i know 03.12.26 # i forget the word currently 03.12.28 # i always do 03.12.43 # the ipodpatcher was updated to support the block type of the new ipod 03.12.47 # which is 2048? i think 03.13.14 # since RB is only giving you ~55% of Apple runtime at this point, the 80 should give you +- ten hours of runtime, compared to the 30's +`7 hours. 03.13.35 # Tman: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.0 03.13.44 # and for me personally, those three extra hours get me through the work day. 03.14.10 # Soap: is that 55% expected to improve? 03.14.34 # (80GB is probably out of the question btw, since I'm not the one purchasing ;p) 03.14.48 # relaxed: thanks 03.14.52 # my ipod nano runs in rockbox for 8 hours :) 03.14.54 # hoped to improve. All the other targets accheive excellent runtime, often exceeding stock. 03.14.58 # Coming from a nano the 30gig screen is big and beautiful! 03.15.00 # 9 hours* 03.15.12 # bah nano is sexy 03.15.14 # and breakable 03.15.17 # gosh dang 03.15.17 # :P 03.15.51 # PaulPosition: ok, done, just gotta test it on the player (you didnt reset the correct colour on exit, which is bad!) 03.16.11 # Gekk0: it would be cool if you could contribute to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime 03.16.14 # Tman - When Soap talks of the iPod target, he also means Sansa e200 and iRiver H10's which are based on the same chipset. 03.16.18 # really? 03.16.25 # ah 03.16.44 # PP speaks the truth about the PP targets. 03.16.49 # ok 03.16.54 # ill do a runtime tonight i guess 03.17.07 # JdGordon - I didn't indeed as someone told me those don't outlive the plugins' execution and the themes I used seemed to approve when I tested but I'm willing to test once more. :o 03.17.49 # oh? 03.17.56 # Gekk0: you don't have to. It would be great if you could do controlled tests in the rockbox AND apple firmware. Rockbox runtimes alone don't tell anybody much as they don't indicate what the batter condition is. Testing in both allows one to see RB as a % of Apple. 03.18.41 # ok 03.18.42 # ill do that 03.18.44 # ill do both 03.18.45 # :D 03.18.50 # JdGordon - I'll test anyway, just to see wether it restores theme's .cfg defaults or the exact same colors the user has chosen. Thanks for raising it up anyway. 03.19.05 # (I mean, the question..) 03.19.15 # Seeing the last recording commit, do any of the developers want a line-in dongle for the iPod? I've made half a dozen of them. 03.19.34 # if so PM me a postal address and I'll send one out. 03.19.36 # there is no explicit call to resettin the user colours after exiting a plugin... unless lcd_set_drawinfo() does it? 03.19.50 # Line-in? 03.19.55 # doesnt work on nano i assume 03.20.29 # Soap: better of asking in 10 hours or so when ppl are awake.. or non the dev ml 03.20.44 # JdGordon - I can't say I understand enough of RB's general structure to really comment. I can fiddle then test then fiddle again but there stops my understanding. :p 03.20.46 # I'll post in the forums. 03.20.50 # Soap, 03.20.54 # it only works on the 5g? 03.21.00 # PaulPosition: haha ok 03.21.24 # dev ML, I get it, but never sent to it. Do I reply to the email, or use another address? 03.21.46 # nvm 03.22.18 # Soap: does this dongle work on the nano? 03.22.21 # probably a stupid question 03.22.28 # actually i guarantee it but does it lol 03.25.27 # Soap: line in being in the dock or left channel of the headphone plug? 03.26.34 # PaulPosition: colours are reset after plugin exits... 03.26.35 # yeh that one 03.26.41 # JdGordon - Just tested again, without explicitly redefining and it does work... 03.26.48 # JdGordon - lol.. 03.27.08 # JdGordon - And to user's choice too, not the themes .cfg so there.. :) 03.27.14 Join kanan [0] (i=3d5a9b0b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81be0c1a6137de5f) 03.28.03 # PaulPosition: Im going to manually set background to white also, which doesnt happen but needs to if you have a light on dark theme (like myself) 03.28.17 # JdGordon - Though, maybe a pale grey as background would make it even more nice.. :p Ah whatever, as long as it works 03.28.25 # scorche: dock 03.28.28 # JdGordon - Makes sense, yes. :) 03.28.52 # soap, howd u make it? 03.29.20 # I ordered a dozen dock connectors from the IPL dock connector group buy. 03.29.33 # oh 03.29.34 # and wired in a 1/8" jack. 03.29.41 # cool. 03.29.45 # Soap - Wish I could find dock connectors for my H10 and patch myself a line-in.. :o 03.29.55 # im in australia 03.30.01 # so it'd cost you a packet 03.30.01 # :P 03.30.16 # some I added FW power to, some I added line-in and line-out, some I added USB to, made a variety of dongles. 03.30.19 # JdGordon - Thanks a lot, by the way :) 03.30.35 # PaulPosition: there are people on misticriver that have built a line-in for the H10 03.30.49 # PaulPosition: no problem 03.31.08 # FW power? 03.31.14 # who knew the ipods that entertained us for years would unite 03.31.17 # and overthrow us! 03.31.19 # barrywardell - Yeah, a guy from Quebec not far from where I live.. But he hasn't been around for months now. :( I guess if he could find some I could too, though.. 03.31.20 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 03.32.31 # Soap, would you mail one to Australia? 03.32.32 Quit karim (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.32.43 Quit kanan ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.32.50 # PaulPosition: you dont want credit? 03.33.03 # Gekk0: well, he asked for developers who wanted one... 03.33.19 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-229-239.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 03.33.26 # JdGordon - God, please no. I must be the 1000th guy to add that in his build. 03.33.39 # scorche: ill maskeraded as one :P 03.33.44 # ok, commited 03.33.47 # ill masquerade as one* 03.34.25 # :) 03.36.33 Join kanan [0] (i=3d5a9b0b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ebe4dc80de84c9ad) 03.37.25 # 1.40pm and im stll not dressed and ready for the day :D damn i love holidays :D 03.38.01 # * scorche wonders what holiday it is in aussie-land 03.38.06 # summer 03.38.18 # that is a holiday? 03.38.26 # semester break untill end of feb :D 03.38.31 # hehe 03.39.06 # i woke up at 6 pm today... 03.39.32 # lies 03.39.52 # well, it is 5 hours later than when i usually do 03.40.02 # haha 03.41.35 Quit kanan ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.46.15 # * scorche goes upstairs and prepares an avocado while compiling 03.46.36 # what are your preparing it to do? 03.51.00 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 03.52.50 # be eaten of course 03.53.23 # oh.. thought it might be going through some traumatic time in its life 03.53.28 # scorch does avacado masks to preserve his youthful complexion. 03.53.43 # never know :) 03.54.26 # I do, though, know. 03.54.50 # and i don't want to know how you know ... lol 03.55.12 # wise choice 03.58.41 # hmm 03.58.53 # im gonna put a theme on my ipod eventually for the apple os 03.58.59 # so it has the battery as a number 03.59.50 # ...alright... 04.00.00 # iPodWizard? 04.00.02 # the themes? 04.00.10 # theres 10 pictures that show the battery levels 04.00.15 # im gonna get them changed to numbers. 04.00.19 # 100, 90, down to 10 04.00.25 # i know what you meant... 04.01.47 # then why the ... 04.02.12 # because we dont really care about the original firmware here 04.02.30 # you care about comparison 04.02.37 # i need it for the battery test?! 04.02.37 # we do? 04.02.56 # oh...just run it till it dies 04.03.48 # lol 04.03.53 # im not staying up for that long 04.03.57 # ill start it when i sleep 04.04.20 # well, the "numbers" wont give you an accurate reading 04.04.25 # jhMikeS: any ideas about what to do about the warning in mp3_enc.c? 04.04.29 # i know. 04.04.40 # :) 04.04.40 # if you want to find out the batt life for comparison use the battery_bench plugin! 04.04.48 # cant inside apple os 04.04.49 # jd 04.05.08 Part aly76 04.05.23 Quit corevette ("Leaving") 04.06.34 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.08.10 # so how do you expect to get a comparison when you dont run it till it dies and log the time? 04.08.37 # >_> i will do that 04.08.42 # where is it that i said i wouldnt? 04.08.55 # oh...just run it till it dies 04.08.55 # lol 04.08.55 # im not staying up for that long 04.09.17 # it takes a while 04.09.21 # ill start it when i sleep 04.09.24 # then watch it for 3 hours. 04.10.02 Join Tony_3g_owner [0] (i=3d5a9b0b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0eb2aada2e64dc40) 04.10.09 # hrm...i still dont see the use of changing the battery to numbers, but alright 04.11.35 # future reference 04.11.38 # when im actually awake 04.11.45 # and i dont want to focus hard to compare 04.11.48 # the little red line 04.11.51 # to another little red line 04.11.54 # nano screens are small 04.12.06 # i know...i have one 04.12.29 # they are the antichrist of all ipods 04.12.29 # lol 04.13.06 # hurrah!...i broke playback =) 04.13.23 # lol 04.13.29 # Gekk0: to test when it dies, plug the headphone jack into your sound card and record to disk the playback, and then you can see when it dies. 04.13.35 # i made rockbox do swirly colors and crash once. 04.13.47 # Soap: you smartass :D 04.14.22 # what?...it is the easiest way to test 04.14.50 Join Blueberry [0] (n=blue@c220-239-235-207.carlnfd3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 04.15.22 # if you want to be a really good boy you could...nevermind, as long as you are consistant with testing procedure between RB and Apple, it's all good. 04.15.34 Quit Tony_3g_owner ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.15.51 # im a good boy 04.15.53 # hit me 04.15.54 # lol 04.16.09 # Heya, I have rockbox all set up on my h140, everything is great except for the second most important thing (after playing music), getting the music on! I have all my music in mp3, managed by iTunes for windows, whats the best way to copy changes to my collection to the player without completly whiping it and copying it entirely each time? 04.16.34 # rsync! 04.16.40 Join DreamThief632 [0] (n=mathias@p54A82AF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 04.16.44 # .. on windows ... o..o 04.16.52 Nick DreamThief632 is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A82AF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 04.17.10 # any goos sync programs really 04.17.11 Quit barrywardell () 04.17.15 # good 04.17.24 # I'm not aware of any 04.17.26 # anyone use irssi? 04.18.13 # not sure, but even briefcase might do the job 04.18.28 # .. whats that? 04.18.42 # irc client.. i take it you don't :) 04.19.02 # hehe 04.19.23 # im using mIRC 04.19.26 # worst client of all time? 04.19.35 # think i found what i need 04.19.37 # then why use it? 04.19.47 # you can chat with us, right? must work 04.19.49 # :) 04.19.50 # too lazy to try others for something i use once a month 04.20.07 # what is briefcase? 04.20.19 # windows version of syncing folder 04.20.27 # it sucks 04.20.27 # lol 04.20.37 # but it might work for his uses 04.20.45 # it depends 04.20.46 # oh o..o 04.20.51 # what exactly are you trying to do 04.21.07 # I have all my music stored on an ext3 drive.. the pc is running windows though :/ 04.21.18 # using IFS drivers? 04.21.26 # something like that 04.21.28 # yeh 04.21.33 # so the ext3 comes up as a H: 04.21.34 # or whatever 04.21.50 # I just want to be able to plug in my device, have any new music on my pc copied on, and if i've removed anything, have that also removed from the player 04.21.53 # yup 04.22.12 # scorche, would a breifcase do that? 04.22.59 # ooh, google doesn't let me down for once! 04.23.03 # something interesting: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=4863 04.23.05 # not sure how it would handle the ext3 drive 04.23.07 # brb 04.23.09 Quit goffa ("leaving") 04.23.48 # it would handle it fine 04.23.53 # i use those drivers 04.23.56 # it runs it natively 04.24.17 # er, there doesn't seem to be anything on that linked site though :/ 04.25.45 Quit PaulPosition (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.26.26 # http://www.furiousbear.com/index.php?title=Main_Page 04.26.44 # someone borked it 04.26.44 # lol 04.27.27 # it looks like it always has been borked though.. given the history 04.27.42 # October 10th, 2004, 12:08 PM 04.27.45 # I guess that person replaced whatever useful stuff was there with a mediawiki installation :( 04.27.48 # is the post on the forum 04.32.18 # that is an odd wiki page. Dare I ask why it was linked here? 04.32.18 # LOL 04.32.21 # someone editied it 04.32.37 Quit DreamThief|off (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.32.44 # it was for 04.32.49 # iRiver sync software 04.32.50 Join Franz [0] (n=dspx@p54A8E4E1.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.32.55 # and it is borken 04.33.19 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 04.34.05 # I've found a download link.. but it says its for iTunes 4.6 :| 04.34.14 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 04.34.17 # I guess i'll shove it in and see if things explode! 04.34.20 # whee.. got rid of the blue statusbar 04.35.57 # http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=21351 04.36.44 # lol 04.36.47 # it might work 04.36.49 # i doubt it though 04.36.52 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 04.37.53 Join Tony_3g_owner [0] (i=3d5a9b0b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-88b6fde5fb4a87b5) 04.38.45 Quit Franz (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.39.54 # I think i'm downloading 1.0 though.. it says there's a 2.0 there :/ 04.40.10 Join Franz [0] (n=dspx@p54A8E4E1.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.40.12 # http://downloads.sourceforge.net/netdragon/iRiverSync_2.0_fpr_Windows.zip?modtime=1112622120&big_mirror=0 04.40.13 # thats 2 04.40.25 # Yup 04.40.58 # Ooh, this is for 4.7 too! :p 04.41.17 Quit FranzBlattler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.41.19 # note the use of 2.0_fpr_windows 04.41.22 # stupid idiots lol 04.41.25 # fpr instead of for 04.42.04 # If it works, they're not idiots, they're saints 04.43.24 Quit Tony_3g_owner ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.43.31 # * Blueberry boldly goes where no darkly coloured berry has gone before, and clicks the sync now button.. 04.44.02 # The little light is blinking.. it says its copying some sort of files o..o 04.44.03 # DID YOU BACK UP FIRST 04.44.06 # Yay! 04.44.08 # nup :p 04.44.15 # wise... 04.44.20 # but, there's copy's of everything elsewhere 04.44.48 # as long as it doesn't reprogram the bootloader through the usb cable magically and brick it, i'll be fine 04.45.01 # wow cool, it seems to actually be working! 04.45.07 # wowoowoww 04.45.51 # As far as I know, the only way to brick an iRiver though the usb, is to wire the data lines in to your mains power 04.46.14 # these things are really good at not breaking! 04.46.18 # * Blueberry hugs it 04.47.07 # If only iRiver hadn't become the horrible apple immitators they are today, maybe i'd still have love for them 04.47.19 # x5s are a bit better at not breaking ;) 04.47.29 # I don't know what one of those is 04.47.33 # yeah.. i like my x5.. nice and solid 04.47.37 # s/breaking/bricking 04.47.45 # I think my next player will be something of the rockboxed ipod variety 04.48.16 # * Blueberry unmounts and see's if it worked.. 04.48.30 # * goffa is waiting for gigabeat audio 04.48.46 Join Tony_3g_owner [0] (i=3d5a9b0b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0432c01a6b8eb44b) 04.48.47 # then i'll have a 40gb player that i paid less than $100 for 04.49.08 # lol 04.49.19 # Hey neat, rockbox even displays the accented characters in Bjorks name! 04.49.30 # yeh 04.49.34 # rockbox is awesome 04.49.40 # yay! success! 04.49.43 # heh...reading the credits? ;) 04.50.04 # * Blueberry hugs you all! (and is a geek girl so its not weird..) 04.50.15 # this is even weirder 04.50.16 # Especially Gekko? 04.50.18 # that 04.50.48 # what is weird about a girl on freenode who owns a h140 and put homebrew firmware on it? 04.50.57 # yeah, especially gekko 04.51.01 # :D 04.51.04 # there are no girls on the internet 04.51.08 # lie 04.51.09 # s 04.51.09 # bull 04.51.16 # www.myspace.com/anitserk 04.51.23 # an apple model 04.51.25 # haha 04.51.31 # * Blueberry pokes scorche in the virtual eye 04.51.48 # * scorche heals self 04.51.49 # seriously, its a FEMALE apple model 04.52.33 # why do i know this?! 04.52.39 # because i read too many computer magazines 04.53.34 # urm 04.53.34 Quit funky ("leaving") 04.53.50 # APC, last month. 04.53.57 # okay, need proof scorche? 04.54.10 # Rockbox needs to add animated flashing emoticons! 04.54.14 # not really 04.54.16 # and blinking text! 04.54.17 # there 04.54.19 # random. 04.54.19 # (to both) 04.54.25 # i must be a girl :p 04.54.29 # lies. 04.54.32 # also, pink :p 04.54.36 # a lot of small stupid myspace loving men would say that 04.55.02 # myspace is horrible o..o 04.55.06 # yes, it is 04.55.13 # I'm a web designer.. it makes me cry sometimes :( 04.55.14 # its a prerequisite to be a teenager too now 04.55.20 # it makes me stab out my eyes 04.55.25 # then pour them in acid 04.55.29 # just to clean them 04.55.30 # lo 04.55.41 # and now back to your regularly scheduled rockbox chat 04.55.44 # One of my friends got a job, he had to make someone's commercial myspace page beautiful.. 04.55.47 # lol 04.55.50 # he just couldn't do it 04.55.51 # * scorche coughs 04.56.05 # all the money in the world couldn't make it look half decent! 04.56.06 # scorche, they just opened a channel for you. /j #boring 04.56.07 # :p 04.56.11 # i know 04.56.15 # myspace is borked 04.56.17 # its flawed on the inside. 04.56.24 # Gekk0: this is a support channel..not a social channel 04.56.32 # blueberry 04.56.33 # pms 04.56.34 # :) 04.56.36 # I like last.fm.. but I can't be stuffed with its spam protection nonsence 04.56.46 # I do not have pms! 04.56.53 # that was last week <_< 04.56.57 # no lol 04.57.00 # PM's. 04.57.07 # ooh.. OOOOOOH! :p 04.57.24 # lol 04.57.33 # i send you one. look up 04.57.33 # sure, you want to talk geek a bit more first or straight to the freenode cyber :p 04.57.52 # I very muchly havent recieved a message in private from you 04.57.54 # .. 04.57.55 # lol 04.58.03 # no cybering. 04.58.06 # i did send one 04.58.08 # you have to identify 04.58.14 # real;llly 04.58.19 # but they stole my nick 04.58.23 # i cant even use my own 04.58.24 # lool 04.58.36 # they havent used it in two years.. you can get freenode staff to drop it 04.58.37 # then go into a different channel and talk 04.59.35 # omg 04.59.37 # someone took this one too 04.59.39 # >_> 04.59.51 # I wish rockbox grouped folders which have lots of stuff in them to make it more obvious when the starting letter of the files changes.. 05.00.06 # even if it was just a half line gap for each letter group 05.00.34 # ;o? 05.00.50 Nick Gekk0 is now known as Gekkko (n=b@CPE-60-228-36-235.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 05.00.55 # well, if you organize your files, you wouldnt really need it 05.01.18 # most common way is artist/album/file 05.01.26 # I do.. But putting everything in A, B, C folders isn't nice easily 05.01.27 # why was tagcache renamed database 05.01.28 # *either 05.01.42 # Blueberry: a good tagger will create directory structure for you. 05.02.19 # I mean, if you have Ben Folds, Beck, Basement Jaxx, Bjork.. then Cake.. i'd like it if there was a little visual indication that it had changed from b's to c's 05.02.34 # add a file 05.02.43 # CZZZZZ 05.02.43 # lol 05.02.52 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 05.02.53 # C---------------z 05.02.55 # then 05.02.57 # D----------------z 05.02.58 # etc. 05.03.03 # the only way to do that with files and folders is if i make my whole directory structure in to a fricking jpeg :/ 05.03.13 # its a rendering thing not a structure thing 05.03.18 # ? 05.03.42 # im confused too now lol 05.05.08 # you have a folder with folders for each artists within.. if you have a bunch of a artists and a bunch of b artists and a bunch of c.. sometimes you're looking for a certain artist that starts with a certain letter, and for me personally at least it would be easier on my eyes if there was some visual indication that its changed to a different starting letter in the directory list 05.05.45 Join newbyx86 [0] (n=newbyx86@ip68-7-21-196.sd.sd.cox.net) 05.05.55 # well 05.06.03 # make many C----------------------Z files? 05.06.03 # :P 05.06.14 # it could be as simple as making the background behind the first folder of a new letter a little darker, or could have a little horizontal rule wasting all of 3 pixels 05.06.24 # * Blueberry pokes Gekkko in the eye 05.06.33 # but it wouldnt be useful for everyone 05.06.43 # let alone a large majority 05.06.46 # as far as i can see 05.06.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.06.55 # why not use the ID3 Database? 05.07.15 # I tried to, but I can't figure out how the heck to make it work in rockbox 05.07.33 # ok 05.07.38 # not that it helps this visual perception problem at all.. but anyway 05.07.39 # goto general settings 05.07.43 # it does 05.07.48 # it organises everything 05.07.52 # by album, artist 05.07.53 # id3 database renders differently? 05.07.54 # year 05.07.57 # yes 05.08.00 # its has to cache it all 05.08.09 # but Gekkko.. this is NOT a problem with organization 05.08.23 # from what i can see, it is :P 05.08.26 # I already have it in artist/album/## Track.mp3 05.08.34 # you can't see then 05.08.39 # OH 05.08.41 # i see now 05.08.44 # you have way too much 05.08.46 # >_> 05.08.46 # lol 05.09.06 # I only have 80 albums o_o 05.09.13 # then there isnt too much 05.09.15 # lol 05.09.16 # why have a 40 gig player if not to put lots of music on it 05.09.22 # Blueberry: of course he cant see...you poked him in the eye 05.09.28 # lol YEAH 05.09.29 # yeah :/ 05.09.36 # but he didn't see before that either 05.09.36 # my nano has 05.09.40 # >_> 20 albums? 05.09.46 # im slow today 05.09.51 # my brain like turned off the past hour 05.09.54 # I don't have a nano.. this is a hard disk player 05.09.57 # a h140 05.10.00 # i know 05.10.04 # I have my entire music collection on it 05.10.08 # how big is the screen on that 05.10.15 # as well as my roommates, but hers is in a seperate folder 05.10.38 # I don't have a ruler.. 05.10.50 # oooh monochrome 05.10.51 # 3 thumbs across, 2.5 up 05.10.53 # ya 05.10.54 # * Gekkko pukes 05.11.13 # Gekkko, buy me a colour ipod if you don't like it, I have no money 05.11.38 # lol 05.11.39 # neither do i 05.11.45 # i just bought a 300gb hdd to store my music 05.11.49 # 2 days worth of it. 05.11.53 # o_o 05.12.01 # jah! 05.12.06 # semi-audiophile 05.12.11 # i like my music painless 05.12.13 # yet small. 05.12.21 # VBR ftw. 05.12.31 # whats better for size? mp3 or ogg? 05.12.32 # * Blueberry transcoded her whole collection from vorbis to mp3 the other day because she was sick of vorbis o_o 05.12.35 # ogg is 05.12.46 # really? 05.12.46 # can you ABX it? 05.12.47 # damn. 05.12.48 # lower bitrates for similar quality 05.13.00 # but, mp3 works everywhere 05.13.06 # i dont liek sharing 05.13.09 # so yay ogg. 05.13.11 # I'm sick of having to buy players that support my music 05.13.14 # this is drifting ever futhur from Rockbox. 05.13.19 # use software that supports ogg 05.13.22 # im sick of supporting people. lol 05.13.24 # bleh 05.13.42 # its about music 05.13.45 # rockbox is aobut music 05.13.48 # but this channel isn't 05.13.48 # why cant we talk music 05.13.55 # this is the #Rockbox channel. 05.14.05 # ... 05.14.27 # rockbox! put one white line then one black then one white between the lines of files/folders when the leading letter of those change from the previous entry, and i will love you forever 05.14.40 # BUT 05.14.44 # that would be an annoyancfe to me 05.14.46 # and possibly others. 05.14.54 # there is the foobar #noise and #noshit channel for yacking and #freenode-social 05.15.07 # one more option won't hurt anyone :/ 05.15.25 # one more option bloats binary size and decreases audio buffer. 05.15.26 # i wonder how that would even be programmed in 05.15.42 # :/ 05.15.43 Join daveyates [0] (n=daveyate@user-11206dd.dsl.mindspring.com) 05.15.56 # im useless at C 05.16.03 # wait.. what happens when you open a plugin? 05.16.03 # i cant even do pseudocode for it ol 05.16.04 # and what you say you need is really odd, and as much as I hate to admit it, Gekkko's "B------" folder insertion solves it painlessly. 05.16.33 # surely plugins need memory to run.. but if audio buffer is everything left over.. where does it get it from? does rockbox wait for the buffer to play enough to allocate the memory? 05.16.34 # um... the plugin loads? 05.16.51 # new to the room. Any pointers/advise/or gotchas associated with rockbox on an ipod photo with amarok? 05.17.11 # I dont understand what the heck gecko is saying with the letters and hypens 05.17.16 # turn on database. 05.17.16 # the filetree view is just that, raw filetree viewing. Adding any sort of indicator scattered amongst the folders kinda defeats the purpose, and I know of no other OS with such an odd feature. 05.17.19 # Blueberry 05.17.31 # when you add a file D----------------Z, the Z makes it go the the bottom of D 05.17.40 # that way you have a line that seperates D from E 05.17.50 # then for E youd make E-------------------Z to seperate E and F 05.17.51 # Blueberry: he is saying create an empty folder named "B------" and it will act as a deliminator between the A folders and the B folders. 05.18.09 # :/ 05.18.14 # thats a really messed up way to do it 05.18.18 # Gekkko: "DZ" would go to the bottom of D. "D---------Z" would go to the top of D 05.18.24 # really? 05.18.28 # besides wasting a ton of precious pixels 05.18.28 # then DZ------------------ 05.18.28 # lol 05.18.46 # ur screen is monochrome 05.18.51 # and you complain about wasted pixels 05.18.52 # lol. 05.18.59 # yes, but its not a character screen, its a pixel screen 05.19.02 # yo Gekkko, cut that out. 05.19.36 # :( 05.19.44 # this is no place for insulting someone's player. 05.19.54 # my pixels are important, more wasted pixels means less useful info on screen, a seperator line could be rendered in 3 pixels height, using folders would take an entire font height on the screen 05.20.17 # i use nedore because its small and stylish 05.20.23 # fits a lot on the screen 05.20.33 # Blueberry: feel free to file a feature request, but I think the folder compromise is as close as you will ever ge. 05.20.36 # get 05.20.47 # *grumble grumble* 05.20.55 # don't grumble, code. 05.20.58 # rockbox needs better usability 05.21.04 # then do it. 05.21.06 # I can't write in c or c++ 05.21.09 # lol 05.21.13 # we are open to suggestions 05.21.15 # learn like im trying 05.21.19 # blueberry - What would be a mess-up, and a total one at that, would be to change a perfectly fine file system to accomodate for all sorts of visual gizmosing.. 05.21.19 # then don't tell others how to do it. 05.21.20 # i can get about as far as javascript.. 05.21.32 # bow before my low level coding skills :p 05.21.45 # i nearly laughed 05.21.46 # blueberry - file system.. I meant file tree view of course. 05.21.47 # but id get banned 05.21.48 # lol 05.22.04 # PaulPosition, I never suggested changing the file system, thats what everyone else has been telling me to do! 05.22.21 # nah! 05.22.24 # nobody suggested that. 05.22.34 # oh noes its English lessons. 05.23.02 # peoples visual cortex's aren't CSV parsers.. sometimes visual gozmo's can be useful things! 05.23.35 # how do you do it in your Desktop OS, Blueberry? 05.23.35 # not all information comes in text and numbers, line seperators can provide useful information faster than the current layout 05.24.07 # in windows, you right click, Arrange Icons By > Show In Groups, inside a folder 05.24.17 # for a similar, though much more pixel sucking effect 05.24.48 # for small screen, it would definitly need to be more efficient.. I think three rows of pixels is pretty efficient though 05.24.54 # Blueberry 05.25.01 # why do you need the seperators anyway? 05.25.05 # i know why 05.25.12 # but for exactly what situaution 05.25.12 # to find music faster 05.25.19 # but how much faster would it make it? 05.25.22 # 3 seconds? 05.25.23 # Blueberry - But usability is also about not bloating everything with so many options no one even dates having a look in them anymore.. It's already a bit of a problem with rb.. 05.25.41 # what's party mode, ive been meaning to ask that 05.25.43 # if i gain 3 seconds on every album change for the life of my mp3 player, thats an achievement 05.25.51 # thats what technology is for, making stuff easier 05.26.05 # o-o 05.26.13 # but for what price. 05.26.17 # I grok what you want and why Gekkko, but as a happy user of filetree view with over 500 album folder in my main directory, I can't say I've even felt the need. 05.26.25 # not Gekkko, Blueberry. 05.26.26 # it seems like many lines of code 05.26.32 # for 3 seconds of life. 05.27.22 # But.. I never felt i needed an mp3 player.. I could burn all my music to cd's and still use a discman.. but an mp3 player sure is a lot nicer 05.27.46 # also, have you thought about using the search function? 05.27.51 # I never needed a surround sound system, but it sure does make my music sound nicer.. 05.28.01 # I still don't know how to get it to work 05.28.05 # you've spent 30 minutes on this. 30 minutes at three seconds savings = 600 album changes. 05.28.09 # ;) 05.28.19 # general settings, database, initialise, reboot, update, reboot, search 05.28.50 # I've tried to switch it on in the past and it never seemed to bother indexing my files.. but part of the problem with that is that its a shared player, my roommate has a ton of heavy metal stuff on this in her own folder 05.29.03 # Blueberry - More seriously, you can post a feature request on flyspray and hope that someone with some skillz feel the same way as you, maybe at least get an unofficial patch out of it, but I wouldn't hold my breath.. 05.29.48 # firefox crashed :( 05.32.40 # at one point on a cvs build bubbles stopped moving smoothly when playing music on the ipod 05.32.52 # was there a code optomisation that was slightly flawed? 05.33.01 # bubbles?! 05.33.32 # it was something that JdGordon did...forgot exactly 05.34.03 # thegame 05.34.04 # lol 05.35.17 # brb gotta reconnect stupid internet too slow 05.35.21 # yes, this is dsl. 05.35.35 Quit Gekkko () 05.37.44 Join Gekkko [0] (n=b@144.131.114.21) 05.37.51 # back 05.38.56 # * scorche sighs 05.40.01 # * Gekkko glares 05.41.10 Quit Gekkko () 05.41.42 Part Blueberry 05.45.21 Join bcmm [0] (n=chatzill@CPE-124-186-157-89.qld.bigpond.net.au) 05.46.05 # does rockbox work with iPod docking stations? 05.46.27 # (I mean the ones with a remote to play/pause/skip with) 05.46.28 # what functions are you trying to get out of it? 05.46.34 # no 05.46.58 # ah ok 05.47.27 # i hoped they were processed the same way as button presses... 05.47.45 # are there any plans to support it? 05.48.17 # there are plans... 05.57.08 Join TheCollector [0] (i=brian@mknod.org) 05.57.41 # thanks 05.58.06 # i know release dates aren't discussed, but any idea how serious/advanced the plans are? 05.58.22 # does rockbox work with the bluetooth A2DP modules? 05.58.36 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.vidao2.com") 05.58.48 # well, it wont get done till we figure out how certain things work 05.58.54 # daurnimator: what is it? 05.59.14 # wel 05.59.15 # Do people ever use rockbox as their main desktop media player? 05.59.22 # you can buy bluetooth headphones 05.59.28 # that have play/pause etc buttons on them 05.59.36 # is Apple secrative about the dock protocol? Lots and lots of companies use it... 05.59.46 # - they plug into an ipod &... they contrl the ipod 05.59.50 # bcmm: apple is secretive about everything 06.00.08 # yes, i suppose so 06.00.29 # well good luck with it 06.00.41 # TFGBD: no, but i suppose one could 06.01.10 # does it support association? 06.01.38 # daurnimator: well, it might work with sound, but it wont work with controls...although volume could work...depends on how they did it 06.01.43 # * myzar tackles scorche 06.01.44 # hrm...maybe on a car pc... 06.01.48 # TFGBD: what do you mean? 06.01.59 # myzar: deviating from the usual lick? 06.02.28 # associating with a filetype in the win32 port. 06.02.56 # it wont 06.03.22 # Does it support mouse/touchscreen? 06.03.33 # no 06.04.00 # i sed 06.04.03 # see 06.04.37 # it isnt really meant to be used as an application like that 06.04.42 # it is meant as a simulator 06.04.50 # aren't there some touchscreen media players, though? 06.05.00 # not ones that we support 06.05.25 # TFGBD: why not just use a regular WIN32 media player and a touchscreen in place of a mouse? 06.05.45 # I'm sure...but what about the future. 06.06.22 # well, if a device that has a touchscreen becomes a target, im sure that we will implement it 06.06.29 # k 06.06.34 # ok 06.07.03 # I am actually thinking more about Win32 WinCE, though... 06.07.14 # im sure you are.. 06.07.58 # But the Zune does not even have a touchscreen...s o it does not really matter... 06.08.23 Join FranzBlattler [0] (n=dspx@p54A8F2FB.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.08.32 # I was just curious about mouse support, is all. 06.15.41 Quit Linas5 (Remote closed the connection) 06.23.38 # scorche: i broke the buttons in bubbles complety... the problem he mentioed was most likely the new scehdular which gives priority to audio instead of ui 06.24.13 # does anyone have the link to the tool for converting the iTunesDB to the rockbox DB? the wiki link appears broken. 06.24.56 # the wiki is about he only option for that 06.25.10 # ok, thanks 06.26.07 Quit Franz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.26.41 # JdGordon: the buttons werent broken completely.. 06.27.44 # yes, scorche 06.27.55 # i've happy people are finally trying to get the 80 gigs checked out >:D 06.29.45 # oooo....i think i just found the hardware in the PP chip that deals with the battery 06.30.09 # nice :) 06.30.50 # scorche - Deals with the battery? Battery readings? 06.30.55 # yeah 06.31.16 # do yall still need high-res scans of the 2nd gen nano? 06.31.45 Quit bcmm ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]") 06.31.46 # scorche - I thought it was read from the ADC... on my H10 that is. 06.32.07 # i think we have pics that will do fine, but keep watch on the thread in case we do 06.32.16 # but then I'm probably just thinking nonsense. 06.32.19 # PaulPosition: i am just going bit by bit through the PP chip 06.32.44 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 06.33.04 # scorche - Wow, gotta be intense. :p Jtags or something or do you build and build and build... ?!? :o 06.33.16 # build and build and build 06.33.26 # :p 06.35.18 Quit gotthardt ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 06.35.49 # the aim is to find out what doesnt break the device, disable all of those, and then see if we gain battery life 06.37.35 # I guess there's quite a few bits to try...:o How many? Enough so that it'd be faster writing a how-to, a distribution map and enrolling twats like me to build build build? 06.38.08 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 06.38.44 # there are plenty, but i got it 06.39.41 # cool, then.. :) Great, even. 06.40.45 # When 'cvs update -dP' -ing, what happens to file you modified? (They aren't touched but are they, like, at least mentioned?!?) 06.41.03 # They're touched. 06.41.14 # Llorean - Isn't that only with -C ??! 06.41.26 # -dP will attempt to merge your files 06.41.40 # If there's a newer version, it tries to add in the new changes where applicable while preserving your changes. 06.41.50 # it is much like a patch 06.41.53 # Llorean - Ohhh.. Like a diff, then? 06.41.54 # If not possible it leaves the file alone and creates a conflict file so that you can do it manually. 06.42.00 # Almost exactly like a diff. 06.42.04 # Llorean - Perfect! Thanks :) 06.42.20 # Essentially updateing -dP diffs your current files against CVS at that time, then reapplies the diff to the new CVS. 06.43.35 # scorche: Do you know if linuxstb_ ever found out if the problems with the new bootloader were just the one iPod Nano, or if he still needed me to prod at it? 06.44.02 # i dont 06.44.11 # Okay 06.44.31 # wasnt here yesterday, and only part of today 06.44.35 # Gotcha 06.44.41 # I was out of town, and didn't have my Nano with me 06.44.46 # Also... recording on Nano. Oooh. 06.45.15 # if i have a working bootloader, is it worthwhile to update it with the recent activity on the ipod bootloader? 06.45.21 Join Hdaackda [0] (n=klj@69.88.22.50) 06.45.26 # Nimdae: Nah 06.45.29 # not really 06.45.35 # hi guys. I just installed rockbox on my 5.5G and it is working fine! (obviously, doesnt load appleos)!! 06.45.38 # cuz i noticed the behavior of the hold switch has changed 06.45.53 # and that's something that attracts me ;) 06.45.59 # Hdaackda: I assume you used the old install instructions then, the new ones should load Apple_OS fine.' 06.46.17 # (but the screen seems to be pretty small). umm, yes i used the old ones 06.46.19 # Nimdae: Linuxstb said it was at my suggestion, but that was an old idea of mine, having a newer one that I think was better. =/ 06.46.27 # where can I find the new ones? 06.46.36 # Hdaackda: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 06.46.53 # Be sure to use "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin" to restore your old bootpartition BEFORE doing those 06.46.53 # thanks :) 06.47.04 # Assuming you kept a backup like you were instructed to in the guide 06.47.09 # ok 06.47.20 # They're meant to be run on a 'clean' ipod. :) 06.47.22 # yes, i did :) 06.47.25 # i think i might update the bootloader tomorrow 06.47.34 # Nimdae: It's a very painless process now. 06.47.40 # i see that 06.47.55 # i like some of the things i've been reading on the cvs activity thing 06.48.07 # i haven't been very active here lately, but i've still be checking the site ;) 06.48.29 # i just updated to the latest build...first time in weeks 06.48.31 # been busy with new job 06.48.48 # * scorche hopes to have a large increase in battery life on there as well soon... 06.48.57 # orly 06.49.20 # i haven't been keeping up on flyspray or the forums, find some new hardware tweaks? 06.49.28 # Well, there have been developments in the PortalPlayer front which *MIGHT* affect battery life. 06.49.43 # no...i am just carrying out dan's idea 06.49.50 # Dan's idea? 06.49.50 # and hoping it will help 06.50.01 # awww crap, rockbox update reset my settings :( 06.50.13 # Llorean: about testing each bit and disabling that which doesnt break 06.51.18 # scorche: Ah. Well, there's also been some new discoveries relating to the USB hardware on the PP chip (specifically that it's similar to that on another chip, and thusly we might be able to guess some stuff from what's known about it), if I understand correctly 06.51.27 # There's a lot of "guessing" and speculation involved though 06.51.49 # btw, is there any way i can Jump to a certain time in an mp3 file or an audiobook in rockbox. e.g. i want to listen from after the first 10 minutes? 06.51.51 # does that mean we MIGHT have usb functionality in rockbox soon? 06.52.00 # on the PP hardware i mean 06.52.24 # Llorean: well, hopefully, both efforts work =) 06.52.35 # Hdaackda: well, you can fast forward, but if you are wanting to stop at a point, do something else, then come back, you might try looking at bookmarks 06.53.13 # hmm hey, how can i use tagcache on my 5.5G? :o 06.53.46 # but it is entirely possible that what i am doing is useless because the PP diables all that which is not active 06.54.28 # but at the very least, we might be able to figure out what some unknowns do as well 06.54.29 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.54.30 # what if you tried the opposite and went through enabling bits? 06.54.57 # Nimdae: well, i am using the device enable register 06.56.40 # is there a way to like have a generic raw interface to a device and poke at it? 06.56.50 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 06.57.14 # forgive my ignorance, i'm a unix admin, not a hardware programmer ;) 06.57.19 # Nimdae: As far as USB goes, even if we do figure out the hardware (and I wouldn't get my hopes up about that, it's still a shot in the dark), there's the question of actually writing proper USB drivers I believe. 06.57.37 # Llorean: yeah, hence the MIGHT ;) 06.57.49 # It's a big "might". :) 06.57.58 # that's why i used capslock 06.58.01 # start asking for a datasheet for x-mas 06.58.19 # i could make it bigger if you want 06.58.25 # like maybe 4 to 8 lines 06.58.28 # ;) 06.58.35 # please dont 06.58.45 # :P 06.59.07 # anyway, i must sleep, i have a long day of work tomorrow 06.59.18 # scorche: Well, from what I understand, the talented Mr H has noticed that it might be similar to a documented USB-on-Arm7, so we might have a limited datasheet if things turn out the best they possibly could 06.59.42 # i really like that guy 06.59.54 # * Nimdae strokes beard 06.59.59 # i know someone who works at apple >.> 07.00.04 # * Nimdae contemplates 07.00.12 # I figure I owe him a few drinks (or many) if I ever bump into him in the real world. 07.00.41 # same 07.01.21 # Nimdae: do they have access to the datasheets of the hardware though? =P 07.01.28 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 07.01.37 # even if he did, i doubt he'd fork them over ;) 07.02.04 # he works on some "top secret" project over there though 07.02.13 # at least last i heard anyway 07.02.26 # i'll have to try to catch him tomorrow 07.02.32 # anyway, i really need to sleep, so nite 07.03.14 # g'night 07.05.14 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549675F2.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.06.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.10.20 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-7-158-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 07.12.32 # Llorean: btw, where did you hear about this?...IRC? 07.12.39 # hi anyone here. i just installed the latest version of rockbox using the latest instructions 07.12.49 # the default os is rockbox. how do i load apple os? 07.12.58 # hold menu while booting 07.13.15 # ok, thanks. 07.13.33 # can rockbox play videos write now? 07.13.42 # right* 07.14.33 # depends on what you mean by "right" 07.15.31 # scorche: can it play videos? 07.15.41 # sorry, english is not my first language :) 07.16.15 # scorche: and the screen seems to be too small (the fonts etc). i did copy the latest fonts. anyway i can make theh menu larger? 07.18.02 # Hdackda - Go have a look at the WPS gallery for themes, there are bigger and smaller fonts ones.. 07.18.08 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 07.18.35 # thanks paul. can u give me a direct link for the directory 07.18.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 07.19.35 # Hdaackda - Read the descriptions carefully.. Some of them require particular builds like the jBuilds or such, that use special patches for album art or other niceties.. 07.20.09 # Hdaackda - Usually there might be a link to said builds, if not you can find most of them in the 'Other Builds' section of the rockbox forum. 07.20.09 # ok. thanks. btw I cant seem to load Apple OS. I hold the menu button while rebooting but it loads rockbox 07.20.37 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple 07.20.41 # got it. used the HOLD button :) 07.20.51 # Okay, and now without further ado, G'd night gents. 07.21.18 Quit PaulPosition ("Going to sleep now.") 07.26.48 Quit newbyx86 ("afk") 07.27.57 Quit Tony_3g_owner ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.30.22 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 07.30.48 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.34.08 Quit [sellout] (Connection timed out) 07.34.34 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 07.35.15 Quit mathgl ("Quitte") 07.40.59 Join corevette [0] (n=corevett@adsl-75-35-201-19.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 07.43.47 Join bidoing [0] (i=4c119a59@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-810e05bddbfa9cf0) 07.44.01 # hey whats up? 07.44.05 # hey whats up? 07.44.19 # I have a quick question 07.44.45 # actually a couple 07.44.50 # can anyone help? 07.45.06 # I might be able to 07.45.10 # not if you dont ask the questions... 07.45.26 # 1. are there any other themes other then what comes installed? and where can I get them? 07.45.43 # go to the wiki page WpsGallery 07.45.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 07.46.18 # 2. I am importing my Itunes library (a folder where all the music is orginized and what not) so it will import as a bunch of folders under folders? (artists adn albums) 07.46.22 # right? 07.46.49 # thanks for the wps link 07.46.52 # btw 07.46.55 # it will just read the folder struture 07.47.07 # structure 07.47.12 # use Database 07.47.17 # got any wps yo uwould recommmend 07.47.23 # hey 07.47.25 # scorche 07.47.26 # use database? 07.47.32 # do you know how to set up tagcache on my 5.5G? 07.47.37 # yes...for instructions, see the manual 07.47.45 # i tried those databases but there's only the names on my playlist 07.47.53 # lex: the same way you do on every other ipod 07.48.02 Join charchuck [0] (n=charchuc@adsl-211-143-175.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.48.36 # Is anyone here running Rockbox on an iPod Nano? 07.48.49 # plenty are, im sure 07.49.45 # I have a quick question. Does anyone find that their battery life is worse than with the normal firmware? Maybe I'm just not used to seeing an actual readout of my battery, but it says I'm getting 8 hours. 07.49.52 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 07.49.53 # it is worse 07.49.56 # scorche: how then 07.50.03 # lex: see the manual 07.50.04 # scorche: i couldn't find a way to do it 07.50.08 # i saw 07.50.21 # what section in there 07.50.28 # search... 07.50.33 # ;( 07.50.47 # Damn. I guess I can deal with it for now... hell of a project, though. 07.51.29 # charchuck: the issue is that we dont have a great understanding of the hardware, as it is largely undocumented 07.51.38 Quit Hdaackda () 07.51.50 # Ah, I see. Well that makes sense. Thanks for the quick replies. 07.51.58 # scorche: do i need to enable it from a config file? 07.52.24 # you can enable it from the settings on the device just fine 07.52.49 # database... 07.53.03 # i enabled it, i initialized it, i updated it but still no tags 07.53.18 # general settings > file view > show files > database 07.54.07 # oh 07.54.51 # any recommended wps? 07.55.12 # scorche: thanks, i just found it too 07.55.18 # i dont know what your tastes are, but i would recommend ones that dont require patches or a special build 07.55.35 # I'm loving Dark Geek. 07.56.00 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (n=Joerg@p57A2B2C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 07.56.02 # scorche: the last question, how can i play pokemon when i'm using the database? :) 07.56.18 # i use a modified version of dark geek too....i love text, but people tend to like pictures 07.56.29 # lex: use rockboy 07.56.33 # i did 07.56.45 # ah...as in to access the files 07.56.48 # yea 07.57.11 # not sure...you probably have to go back to file view 07.57.27 # :( 07.57.38 # just hold down the menu button for two seconds to change the file view quickly 07.58.07 # forgot about the quickscreen 07.58.12 # there will be some patches to database in future to solve this 07.59.11 # jhMikeS: The doom warnings need a completely different fix, which will make .deh files work at the same time. 07.59.50 # anyone have any idea why my external hdrd disk refuses to work if my computer is where it always is, but if I take the whole ocmputer into anther room it works fine? and the external hdd works on every other computer in the house? 08.00.14 # hmm 08.00.16 # have a local ghost? 08.00.27 # possible 08.00.46 # room sholdnt be haunted tho.. 08.03.26 Quit charchuck () 08.06.23 Join webguest23 [0] (i=488286af@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5478fbb4c50c1ee3) 08.06.32 # scorche: maybe the last question again, how can i get a crossfade when i'm manually changing tracks? :) 08.06.41 # hello, is anyone here? 08.07.42 # lex: crossfade is on if the setting is on 08.08.12 # I have a quick question about video on the H10 if someone can help me 08.08.20 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 08.08.45 # its about putting subtitles on it 08.09.20 # I've been having trouble getting the code to work to transcode the video with subtitles, can someone help me on this? 08.09.39 # well, that isnt really a rockbox question 08.10.13 # unless you mean that you have the subtitles loaded from a separate file 08.12.14 Quit bidoing ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.12.44 # yea, well I have the subtitles as an .srt file 08.13.05 # yeah...that is not currently supported 08.13.13 # what about .txt? 08.13.35 # no separate file subs will work 08.14.53 # ok thanks 08.15.27 Quit webguest23 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.19.06 Join charchuck [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-211-143-175.asm.bellsouth.net) 08.19.15 Quit Ribs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.19.19 Part charchuck 08.31.02 Join GodEater_Web [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6ac83c214b2b11b1) 08.33.18 Join charchuck [0] (n=jircii@adsl-211-143-175.asm.bellsouth.net) 08.33.33 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 08.34.20 Part charchuck 08.34.29 # JdGordon: you use exactly same cables when it works and does not work? 08.34.40 # yup 08.34.51 # hehe, weird 08.35.03 # and power sockets are earthed on both rooms? 08.35.06 # its unfair.. bloody 80gb drive I cant use 08.35.24 # i guess so, using powerboards 08.35.52 # ok, and your external hd does spin up on both rooms? 08.36.12 # yeah, when it doesnt wrk dmesg says lots of I/O errors 08.36.33 # eh, really weird.. so it never works in the other room? 08.36.45 # no, it always works everywhere else 08.36.48 # did you try a different usb connector or different cable? 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Wonder if we're going to be able to stick Rockbox on that. ;) 09.27.12 # well I've narrowed the problem down now to something with ata_read_sectors() when trying to get the partition list 09.27.37 # Sounds like you're almost there, assuming that's the only problem. 09.27.39 # the ata controller is returning one of STATUS_BSY, STATUS_ERR or STATUS_DF 09.27.39 # Cassandra: what is the 5.5G ? 09.27.51 # Disk full ? 09.27.57 # or something weirder? 09.28.03 # Cassandra - And this just after I read an article detailing how the iPhone will -never- happen. Silly people. 09.28.04 # The current iPod models sold by Apple. 09.28.15 # Cassandra: 5.5th Generation ? 09.28.34 # terriblyinept, I think it's generally accepted that the iPhone is coming. 09.29.07 # * amiconn would still prefer to always put the G before the number 09.29.13 # GodEater_Web, disk full is a good guess, assuming that's not the one that's being returned. 09.29.28 # It happened several times that people mistook the 'G' for gigabyte 09.29.43 # That'd be 5GB. 09.29.56 # * GodEater_Web agrees with Cassandra 09.30.04 # Tell them. It happened, not only once... 09.30.11 # hence we call it "5th gen" these days 09.30.31 # That's better, but also longer to type... 09.30.41 # yeah 09.30.45 # I saw in some ancient irc log some ATA PDF that linuxstb used 09.30.51 # somewhere on the RB wiki 09.30.57 # anyone have the link ? 09.31.07 # Very easy to find... 09.31.20 # Cassandra - Well, despite the article, I wasn't convinced. Now, whether I'd -ever- want one, I can't say. 09.31.25 # ATA returns a lot of results 09.31.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/ata-atapi-v5.pdf ? 09.31.31 # Documentation->Index has a link to the datasheets page 09.31.42 # Loving my H10 5GB, for the time being. 09.31.47 # * Cassandra shrugs. I refuse to try to disamguate everything I say totally (1) it's impossible, and (2) human beings have brains that are perfectly designed for interpreting based on context. Hardly my fault if some of them refuse to use them. 09.32.14 # thanks Bagder 09.32.21 # terriblyinept, maybe if it runs Rockbox. 09.32.23 Quit markun ("leaving") 09.33.32 # Cassandra - I'd be surprised if anyone were interested in making Rockbox phone capable. Not that dualboot wouldn't be possible, but hey, at that point (and probably many points previous) I think I personally would be best-suited just having two separate devices. 09.36.04 # given someone expressed an interest running it on a GPS device recently in the forums, I wouldn't be surprised about people being interested in running rockbox on a tumble drier these days 09.36.24 # or other 09.36.25 # terriblyinept, I can see a potential future for Rockbox on multi-purpose devices. I honestly believe it's where MP3 players will be at in 5 years or so. Currently Rockbox isn't really suited to that purpose, but it may happen in future. 09.37.41 # Well, I could certainly see it if first, developers took enough interest and were capable (the capable part being a little easier, as far as what I've seen in this and other open source projects) and end users wanting it. 09.39.11 # The real problem is that we need more capable developers. 09.39.18 # Preferably ones without a life. 09.39.49 # I'm not exactly capable, but I certainly have no life. Or, at least, enough room for a million hobbies, as I'm no good with the sleep thing. 09.39.50 # Most of our developers are far too well rounded for the good of the project. 09.40.22 # How do you mean? 09.41.00 # Oh, they all have families, friends, hobbies, jobs, that sort of thing. Annoying distractions that take them away from Rockbox. 09.41.40 # * petur knows the feeling 09.42.14 # we need more devs who don't notice things like Christmas turning up until someone reminds them 09.43.22 # Hmm. What sorts of coding should I be familiar with, in addition to hardware? Just to give me a spin in the right direction. (I'm also currently looking at the Wiki for that sort of thing.) 09.45.50 # terriblyinept, Rockbox is just C. (Or C++ in the case of the installer.) 09.46.32 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 09.47.22 # right - it's STATUS_ERR that's being returned. 09.47.59 # So initialisation problem then, probably? 09.48.29 # reboot, brb 09.48.31 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 09.48.48 # Cassandra - Loving it! And on it. C has always been my focus. Time to brush, brush, brush up. Thanks! 09.50.23 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.51.42 # GodEater_Web, I wonder if it's just a case of putting in a small delay to wait for the IDE interface to be ready. 09.51.45 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD7BD6.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.56.55 Part terriblyinept 09.57.01 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 09.58.07 # Right, see people later. 09.58.18 Quit Cassandra (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 10.05.33 Quit GodEater_Web ("CGI:IRC") 10.05.36 # Bagder: Did you see in the logs from last night (about 1am GMT) the updated ipodpatcher binary for Mac OS X by barrywardell? The version on the website is one version behind the win32/Linux binaries. 10.05.37 Join GodEater_Web [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-787b7719d2bd58bd) 10.06.17 # are the "__asm__ volatile ("nop")" calls in ata_read_sectors() to cause a delay ? 10.06.27 # yes 10.06.36 # linuxstb_: Is everything working with iPodPatcher now? Did that Nano guy get resolved? 10.06.39 # might try adding a few more and see if that makes any difference 10.06.43 # linuxstb_: ok, I'm on it 10.08.54 # linuxstb_: The ipodpatcher binaries can be build from plain cvs? 10.08.57 # Llorean: The basic functionality (-a) is fine. The problem was with loading apple_os.ipod from the firmware partition (currently undocumented, so it didn't prevent release). 10.08.59 # amiconn: Yes. 10.09.00 Join webguest20 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1942b7252db658a1) 10.09.10 # done! 10.09.20 # linuxstb_: From the firmware partition, or the main partition? 10.09.48 # Llorean: What would be useful is if you could test: "-rf apple_os.ipod", "-wf bootloader-ipodnano.ipod" and then copy apple_os.ipod to the FAT32 partition and try to boot it. 10.09.56 # Okay, I have a linux amd64 ipodpatcher binary 10.10.06 # Bagder: Thanks again. 10.10.18 # Bagder: How can I get that to the download site? 10.10.34 # provide it to me and I'll put it there 10.10.44 # Hi. Is it possible to receive the text sent over the radio (RDS?) on h120? Like in cars. 10.10.59 # webguest20: no 10.11.00 # Okay. 10.11.00 # No, the FM module can't decide RDS. 10.11.04 # linuxstb_: Will do 10.11.08 # s/decide/decode/ 10.12.34 # LinusN: does it lack some hardware? Or why else? 10.12.54 # it lacks the RDS decoder hardware 10.13.17 # linuxstb_: It says "apple_os.ipod loaded" but then just reboots into the apple logo and Rockbox bootloader again 10.14.09 # LinusN: ok, thanks! But it should be possible to plug smth in -- like real time clock mod, right? (This is of course not for everyone!) 10.14.45 # webguest20: that would be really difficult, far more difficult than the RTC mod 10.15.19 # linuxstb_: What has changed since that test you had me run ages ago that loaded apple_os.bin from the disk? 10.15.51 # Llorean: Does it keep rebooting? It worked reliably the second time for preglow (but he has a v1.0 or v1.1 Nano without the RSRC image). 10.16.04 # linuxstb_: Continual rebooting. 10.16.18 # LinusN: ah... Then I'll forget it. 10.16.33 # It rebooted at least 3 or 4 times before I stopped it. 10.16.47 # LinusN: Are there rds decoder chips which can be hooked up to i2c? 10.16.52 Join Falco98 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-024-088-106-250.sc.res.rr.com) 10.17.36 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 10.18.02 # Llorean: I think the previous attempt wasn't dealing with the COP correctly when loading the retailos from a file. This version should be, so I don't know what's wrong. 10.18.19 # But it works reliably on my Photo... 10.18.33 # I bet it's the RCSC then. 10.18.52 # 5Gs just reboot when Apple_OS tries to load without the RCSC. 10.19.21 # But the Nanos didn't - they booted, but music didn't work... 10.19.45 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 10.19.45 # linuxstb_: Maybe the apple loader loads the rsrc into memory somewhere? 10.19.46 # linuxstb_: havent seen the question asked or answered yet, but with the new bootloader, how do you clear the settings on boot? 10.20.02 # A RAM dump from a specially prepared bootloader should tell us... 10.20.05 # amiconn: The rcsc is 16mb on Nano, it seems unlikely. 10.20.15 # Though I guess, buffering on Nano is unnecessary. 10.20.38 # amiconn: That would explain it - it would then be overwritten by our bootloader's BSS segment (which is located 16MB into RAM). 10.21.12 # * Llorean is willing to offer up his Nano to experimentation. 10.21.15 # But as Llorean says, it's 16MB and only contains the Nike-related voice files (WAV) and other datafiles. 10.21.21 # linuxstb: To make sure, we could make a special bootloader that dumps the ram and has the bss as part of the binary (which we normally avoid) 10.21.55 # amiconn: i think most RDS decoder chips use a regular serial port, but i don't really know 10.22.26 # scorche: Turn the hold switch on during the time between the bootloader starting and Rockbox starting. 10.22.50 # alright 10.22.59 # I never missed... 10.23.32 # linuxstb: Btw, is there a special reason for the large bss offset? 10.24.26 # Normally, the bootloader is appended to the end of the Apple firmware, and the Apple bootloader will load this combined image to the start of RAM. So starting the Apple firmware is just a matter of branching to the Apple firmware's entry point. 10.24.53 # That will consume the first 5MB-6MB of RAM, so I just put the BSS at 16MB to be safe. 10.25.13 # If the bootloader is at the end, the bss could still be put directly after it 10.26.19 # True. Although the bootloader is linked to run from IRAM (it copies itself there, not using any absolute addresses before that happens), so it would take a little lds magic I think. It was easier to just fix it. 10.26.32 # Hmm. 10.26.32 Quit FranzBlattler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.26.56 # Then bss could go into iram as well 10.27.05 # No, there is too much bss... 10.27.10 # I did a similar thing for the archos self-extractor 10.27.37 # It runs completely from iram (code, bss and stack). There's only a tiny code stub that does the copying 10.27.43 # (< 100 bytes) 10.27.59 # oh ok 10.28.46 # Mainly the temporary buffer used to load the rockbox.ipod. I don't load it directly to the start of RAM in case the checksum fails, so we can default to the Apple firmware already there. But maybe that's not so important. 10.29.39 # I think doing it this way is good. 10.29.49 Join Franz [0] (n=dspx@p54A8F2FB.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.30.19 # But for such large, varying buffer I usually don't use bss, but allocate the memory separately 10.30.47 # The self-extractor has to do a similar thing, as in-place decompression wouldn't work 10.31.18 # First it copies the (included) compressed image to the end of RAM, then decompresses it into its final location 10.34.09 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.186.171) 10.37.06 # The lcd framebuffer is another problem buffer in the bootloader - 150KB on the 5g for example... 10.37.43 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC") 10.37.57 # But yes, a RAM dump from the bootloader on a Nano would be a good idea to see if anything unexpected is there. For that, we could link entirely in IRAM. 10.41.32 # hey guys 10.41.43 Quit GodEater_Web ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.41.49 # i'm really happy to see the Sansa 200 is under active and progressing development 10.42.20 # since it's actually a player i've seen alot in the stores (unlike the iriver h140, which i never saw in a store, even though it's the best) 10.42.59 # barrywardell: Really here? 10.43.10 # amiconn: yes 10.43.22 # The remaining warning in mp3_enc.c is odd 10.43.35 # Not the warning itself, but rather its reason 10.43.50 # barrywardell: AFAIK, the Nano doesn't have recording hardware... 10.43.54 # amiconn: yes. i left it because i wasn't sure what the best solution would be 10.43.57 # mp3 is a byte stream, so I don't understand the necessity to endian swap the encoded data 10.44.47 # linuxstb: no? maybe i'll undefine HAVE_RECORDING for it. is there somebody that can test first? 10.45.01 # amiconn: I was hoping to ask jhMikeS about it 10.45.18 # chunk->enc_data is an unisgned char* 10.45.21 # barrywardell: Although no-one has actually confirmed that by building a line-in adapter... I'm just basing it on the fact that there are no official recording add-ons and a version of the Wolfson codec with a slightly different number. 10.45.23 # ...hence the warning 10.45.46 # * Falco98 wonders if he has voice in here... 10.45.46 # linuxstb: And the "recording test" in the debug mode doesn't seem to do anything at all, it just ends. 10.45.54 # * Llorean doesn't have a line in adapter. 10.46.16 # * petur notes somebody is offering some 10.46.43 # Iirc Cassandra bought a whole bunch of ipod connectors 10.46.45 # amiconn: yes, and it's expecting uint32_t* 10.46.48 # It seems likely the Nano doesn't record though. 10.47.05 Join GodEater_Web [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-582c51126d099267) 10.47.12 # 03.19.15 # Seeing the last recording commit, do any of the developers want a line-in dongle for the iPod? I've made half a dozen of them. 10.47.12 # 03.19.34 # if so PM me a postal address and I'll send one out. 10.47.23 # barrywardell: Did you test whether mp3 recording actually works? 10.47.26 # hands up if you understand the Error register stuff in ATA ? 10.47.33 # ..i.e. the resulting files are playable? 10.47.40 # amiconn: yes, it does work perfectly 10.47.50 # That's really odd then 10.48.39 # better question : when ata_read_sectors() fails, I'm checking the content of the Error register, and the only bit coming back set is IDNF 10.48.41 # linuxstb: I wasn't sure which iPod targets would actually work,so I just left the HAVE_RECORDING #defines as they were in your original patch 10.48.45 # Anyone know what ipod Soap owns? 10.48.50 # I'm not quite sure what that means - so I'm not sure what to check next 10.49.19 # barrywardell: I shouldn't have defined it for the Nano, it must have been leftover from some tests. 10.49.40 # amiconn: I considered just casting to uint32_t* to get rid of the warning, but wasn't sure that was the right thing to do 10.49.42 # barrywardell: But I would say leave it there for now, and we can take it out if/when someone confirms it doesn't work. 10.50.28 # What country is Soap in? 10.50.44 # He used the words "Postal address" so I'm guessing not US. 10.50.47 # US 10.50.56 # Really? 10.51.01 # yup 10.51.14 # Llorean: You don't have postal addresses? 10.51.21 # we do 10.51.41 # * scorche wonders what other phrasing one would use 10.51.49 # GodEater_Web: In response to what ata command? 10.51.52 # Delivered by the US postal service... 10.51.58 # It's just not common to call them "postal", but rather just "A mailing address" or "your address" when it's obvious that it's mail (such as that) 10.52.00 # At least down here in TX 10.52.01 # Most bits are defined to be command dependent 10.52.15 # The part of TX I'm in, at least, and the folk I've been around. 10.52.17 # * Llorean shrugs 10.52.46 # linuxstb: ok. I'll leave it as is until someone actually tests it. 10.53.20 # * Falco98 scratches his head 10.53.45 # amicon: CMD_READ_MULTIPLE 10.54.04 # Falco98: Yes, you have voice, you just haven't asked any questions.... 10.54.14 # k, just making sure :) 10.54.29 # i've been on the road for work for about 6 days a week since june 10.54.42 # hence kinda dropping out of the scene shortly after i started 10.55.45 # has anyone ever resolved the Crossfade settings conflict? 10.56.05 # i.e. only being able to have it set to "track skip" or "shuffle", but not both at the same time? 10.59.25 # GodEater_Web: Oh, so CMD_IDENTIFY etc all work 11.00.55 # amiconn - yes - we get a drive id back 11.01.03 # Falco98: I don't know, but it should be documented in the manual - http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 11.01.05 # IDNF is described on page 158 of the pdf 11.01.30 # yeah I'm not sure what it means by a "user accessible address" 11.01.32 # address out of range or not found 11.01.45 # is the address the bit of the disk we're trying to read ? 11.01.47 # Maybe the harddisk in the 80GB models is locked? 11.02.09 # Not sure how that would work exactly though 11.02.18 # how would I tell if it's locked? 11.03.06 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.03.35 # under what category is crossfade? 11.03.36 # hmm 11.04.02 # morning roolku :) 11.04.18 # oh nm 11.05.06 # linuxstb: i'm just wondering if anyone has ever considered pushing my patch from several months ago into source 11.05.29 # this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5344 11.06.40 # Hi Slasheri. :) 11.06.47 # it's really small and it clears up a definite gap in the functionality... so imho there's no reason it couldn't be considered 11.06.54 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 11.07.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.08.08 # I saw talk about an RDS mod earlier - I have already looked for tuner chips by the same company that have RDS, but they are not pin compatible :( I hoped it would be a matter of replacing it (difficult in itself) 11.08.37 Join Hdaackda [0] (n=klj@202.69.55.134) 11.09.43 # is the ATA_SELECT register we have #def'd the same as the DEVICE/HEAD register in the pdf ? 11.09.47 Quit cynicalliberal ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]") 11.09.51 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terinjok@adsl-153-226-252.mia.bellsouth.net) 11.10.10 # roolku: hmm, interesting. How big is the pin difference? 11.10.51 # GodEater_Web: Hmm, I could think of 2 possibilities. Either the disk has a 'host protected area' set, if it supports that feature. 11.10.52 # a dab chip would be nice though.. fm radios have a poor receiption 11.11.02 # Slasheri: too big, more pins and different layout unfortunately 11.11.21 # Identify data word 82 bit 10 and word 85 bit 10 should tell you 11.11.40 # (the former whether the feature set is supported and the latter whether it's enabled) 11.11.54 # The other possibility would be a password protection 11.12.09 # brb, hopefully this update will fix 11.12.13 Part Terinjokes 11.12.58 # Then we would need SECURITY_UNLOCK (and gather the password from retailos somehow) 11.12.58 # um - okay - getting out of my depth now - want to tell me how to do that amiconn ? 11.13.39 # weird.. might be possible that apple has secured the hdds with a password to prevent user from switching them 11.13.52 # Very possible. 11.13.53 # sector, low and high cylinders are all coming back zero after that error 11.13.57 # I'm not sure if that's a hint 11.14.04 # No it's not 11.14.29 # could it be an lba48 issue? 11.14.38 # I sincerely doubt that 11.14.57 # me too, actually 11.15.04 # I'm not sure, but I expect lba48 devices to come up in lba28 mode for backwards compatibility 11.15.27 # ..and afaik the apple flash loader doesn't touch the hdd 11.15.47 # GodEater_Web: after identify(), the information is in identofy_info[82] and identify_info[85] 11.16.00 # ah - ok - I'll check there 11.16.48 # in between doing some real work =/ 11.17.10 # * amiconn strongly suspects that there is a password set in the 80GB disks 11.17.42 # Prevents people from slapping them into other devices than ipods 11.17.55 # ...to keep 80GB 1.8" disks an ipod-only feature for a while 11.17.57 # hi ppl. I have installed rockbox on my 5.5G (30gb) and am able to load the apple OS too :). yaaah 11.18.25 # identify data word 128 would be very interesting... 11.18.28 # So the Apple bootloader would unlock the disk, read the firmware, then lock it again, and then the main firmware would unlock it again? 11.18.39 # well, then we would need to retrieve the password 11.18.53 # which is likely to be unique to each device 11.19.04 # linuxstb: like the xbox 11.19.14 # sorry to butt in but, can rockbox play videos? and how can i install wps (themes) which need patches? 11.19.45 # ? 11.20.25 # Hdaackda: it can play mpeg videos without sound, specially prepared, the video player project is in its infancy 11.20.51 # regarding patches, search the forum 11.22.17 # ok. thanks :) and what about games and stuff (i know, its not especially made for that..) but i dont think linux is ready yet for 5.5g. (or is it?) 11.22.37 # i didn't even know the rockbox 5.5g port was ready yet (?) 11.22.38 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 11.23.21 # Falco98: it is. 11.23.30 # cool. 11.23.36 # word 82 is 0x3069 11.23.45 # word 85 is 0x306b 11.23.56 # you can install in usingt these instructions (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g) 11.23.56 # you guys can check this too in case my counting is off :) 11.25.17 # GodEater_Web: that's odd 11.25.31 # Hdaackda: I strongly recommend reading the manual too, as it covers games as well. 11.25.44 # oops 11.25.46 # they're round the wrong way 11.25.47 # sorry 11.25.51 # 82 is 306b 11.25.57 # and 85 is 3069 11.25.58 # ah, that sounds better 11.26.08 # that means that the security is not enabled 11.26.24 # ok. thanks guys 11.27.06 # GodEater_Web: word 128 is interesting too 11.27.28 # ok - one second 11.28.32 # word 128 is 1 11.28.50 # ok, then it is definitely not locked 11.29.00 # Llorean: Can i now install linux as the 3rd firmware too? 11.29.17 # hmmmmm 11.29.50 # Hdaackda: Linux requires its own third partition anyway, but I'd imagine it should work if you create and populate the partition properly 11.30.01 # linuxstb: As far as you're aware, you haven't broken linux support, right? 11.30.02 # GodEater_Web: when does it fail, and what does the status and error register contain then? 11.30.40 # it fails just after CMD_READ_MULTIPLE in ata_read_sectors 11.30.41 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 11.31.04 # ok, how many sectors does it try to read? 11.31.10 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terinjok@adsl-153-226-252.mia.bellsouth.net) 11.31.20 # assuming that's in "incount" 11.31.23 # then it's just 1 11.31.39 # ok, what lba? 11.31.47 # 0? 11.31.56 # yes 11.32.19 # that's what's in all the registers after the error anyway 11.32.22 # erm, i take it ipodpatcher is final? 11.32.34 # GodEater_Web: oh... 11.33.16 # Terinjokes: nothing of rockbox is ever final ;) 11.33.27 # LinusN: Yes, and it comes back with just IDNF set to one... 11.33.47 # though I can dump out start if you want too - I already did that but I didn't write down the result 11.33.48 # That doesn't make sense to me if neither host protected area nor security is enabled. 11.34.00 # lba 0 should always be a valid address then 11.34.12 # scorche: then how come the manual instructions have been removed? 11.34.33 # Llorean: I haven't tested it, but I also didn't change anything about it, so yes, IPL support should be the same as it was. 11.35.00 # linuxstb: I'll assume it is until someone complains then. :) 11.35.11 # I'll just make sure to use the word "should" instead of "will" 11.35.33 # Terinjokes: What do you mean? 11.35.50 # Terinjokes: All that means is that one non-final method is being replaced with another non-final method... 11.36.09 # Llorean they got moved to "old out of date, please use the new instructions' sections 11.36.25 # I don't understand the question there. 11.36.30 # Llorean: People have tested loader2 with ipodpatcher though, and that's working (after convering loader2.bin to loader2.ipod) 11.36.43 # i liked the older ones, these new instructions put be out of business 11.37.04 # Terinjokes: The main reason is that the older instructions don't work on the 5.5g. 11.37.07 # I don't understand... a single step process that's also vastly more reliable and error-checking is worse? 11.37.29 # yes, it lets the other people do it themselves... 11.37.42 # that is kinda the point 11.37.50 # So... your complaint is that we've made it too easy for people to actually use our software? 11.37.55 # yes 11.38.18 # haha 11.38.27 # was this an ill-contrived attempt at a joke? =P 11.38.41 # some people make money of installing rockbox for others 11.38.43 # so now instead of annoying me to fix their ipod, they can do it themselves... 11.39.05 # has the bootloader been updated? ie: is it worth updating my bootloader 11.39.16 # crashd: Yes, no. 11.39.17 # crashd: Yes. Yes. 11.39.17 # ive seen a lot of commits re: rolo and other boot code 11.39.20 # ahh 11.39.26 # cheers linuxstb ;) thanks for nothing Llorean :) 11.39.28 # petur: yeah, but to whine to the people who made it possible for that work to be done? 11.39.36 # crashd: Updating your bootloader is optional. "Worth it" is subjective. :-P 11.39.41 # hehe 11.39.54 # * Terinjokes grumples as he adds rockbox to this ipod video, probably be the last... 11.39.57 # scorche: I didn't say I found it ok ;) 11.40.12 # im gonn ahave to wait till the holidays tho, becuase i cant be bothered to re add all my music again 11.41.09 # * Falco98 is reading the section of the manual concerning playlist inserting... 11.41.18 # scorche: in the past, I started asking money for fixing pc's as a way of making them stop asking me and find another idiot to waste his time 11.41.32 # i'm confused, if "insert" inserts after other inserted tracks by default, what the point is of even having "insert last"? 11.41.39 # petur, exactly 11.42.15 # anyone got anything else they want me to try ? 11.42.18 # crashd: You shouldn't need to uninstall the current bootloader. Unless you've done something unusual, or have a 5.5g and installed with the buggy ipod_fw, the new ipodpatcher should work fine and replace the bootloader when you do "-a bootloader-XXXX.ipod" 11.42.38 # hmm 11.42.43 # i might give it a spin then 11.42.55 # hehe. have to update the instructions AGAIN! 11.42.55 # Even if you have to reinstall, ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin doesn't do anything to your music. 11.42.58 # But you could backup your current firmware partition just in case (-r file.bin) with the new ipodpatcher before upgrading, just to be safe. 11.43.35 # But more likely than not, ipodpatcher should detect if you've made your firmware partition incompatible in some way with the new way it works. 11.44.10 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.44.52 # Falco98: if you insert nex then insert, the second file will be after the firs inserted if you insert last, it will be at the end. 11.44.57 # linuxstb, yeah... but some people still have their ipods in HFS+, need to move that section into the new page 11.45.22 # Terinjokes: Try reading the new page... 11.46.00 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 11.46.09 # i see, a new page that already copy and pasted the work :D 11.46.19 # n1s: and if you insert *again* what does it go after then? 11.46.25 # i see your a few steps ahead of me 11.47.06 # Falco98: the file you inserted before it :-) yes it can be kind of confusing but it's really nice when you get to know it. 11.47.16 # GodEater_Web: what does word 80 and 81 say? 11.47.36 # well i'm very used to RB's dynamic playlists, i just didn't know about how the different inserts work with each other 11.48.00 # there doesn't seem to be a clear explanation anywhere, like of specific cases or anything 11.48.47 # the thing i'm having trouble with is, if i've made a whole playlist with "inserts", then everything would basically be going in "last" anyway 11.48.58 # so when would "last" really be needed? 11.49.06 # I think somebody explained it in the forums once, have a search there 11.49.12 # Falco98: Why do you assume everyone uses insert? 11.49.20 # Falco98: What if I load an existing playlist? 11.49.21 # LinusN: one sec 11.49.34 # ah, good point 11.49.54 Join bluebrother [0] (i=rgekSKEW@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 11.50.05 # and manually playing a song (and thus creating a new playlist) doesn't count as an "insert" i would assume 11.50.22 # they're both 0 11.50.26 # If you manually play a song, it plays the whole folder 11.50.31 # nope, that's a dynamic playlist 11.50.34 # thus creating a new playlist 11.50.40 # like i said :) 11.51.02 # so then a new "insert" would throw stuff in just after the current track... 11.51.10 # yes 11.51.26 # but if i inserted "last", then continued doing regular inserts, tracks would be appended at the end only? 11.51.28 # that looks broken 11.51.37 # hrm, the new instructions are kinda nice, goes a lot faster... 11.51.58 # I agree that the description in the manual isn't perfect but the whole playlist chapter is in a pretty messy state. 11.52.02 # or maybe not 11.52.09 # Falco98: yes 11.52.10 # mental note to self : read the manual properly 11.52.38 # hmm, i just searched for "insert" in the playback / playlist forum, and only got an error message 11.52.44 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host68-160.pool8252.interbusiness.it) 11.54.06 # LinusN: btw - I'm blythely assuming that identity_info doesn't change anywhere - so I'm just dumping this all out from the point in ata_read_sectors() that I had my lcd_puts stuff in from earlier. Hope that's ok. 11.54.26 # yes 11.54.43 # thank goodness 11.55.09 # Falco98: do you think this description is better, http://pastebin.ca/283448 11.55.09 # GodEater_Web: but it all works up to READ_MULTIPLE? 11.55.15 # yep 11.55.17 # Falco98: If you feel a clearer set of instructions should be in the manual, feel free to post a patch, or at least a correction and indication of where it belongs. 11.55.51 # now that I've replaced the two sleep() calls in perform_soft_reset() with udelay() calls 11.56.02 # Llorean: deal. of course at this stage i'm just trying to figure it out for myself ;-) 11.56.19 # GodEater_Web: then i think you should try to remove the calls to freeze_lock() and set_features() 11.56.27 # n1s: that looks... hm.. nearly identical to what's in the h120 manual online, no? 11.56.31 # or what has changed? 11.56.42 # GodEater_Web: what is multisectors set to btw? 11.56.51 Quit Hdaackda () 11.56.55 # oh i see 11.57.06 # btw, i tried the compile rockbox eariler today, another failure 11.57.31 # multisectors get's set to 1 11.57.47 # just after the status read 11.58.15 Part Terinjokes 11.58.18 # where are freeze_lock and set_features called? 11.58.29 # in ata_init() 11.59.04 # right 11.59.07 # bear with me 11.59.42 # so would it be accurate to say that *insertion point* is a variable set to (previously inserted stuff + 1)... and if nothing, then it's current_track + 1 ...? 12.00.01 # yes I think so 12.00.15 # so if i'm in the middle of a CD and i do an insert, it goes next 12.00.23 # and then if i do an insert_last, it goes at the end 12.00.27 # another insert puts stuff at the end 12.00.40 # yes 12.00.42 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 12.01.02 # then i do an "insert next" which does its thing, and another regular insert will put stuff just following the just-past "insert next"ed stuff? 12.01.15 # correct 12.01.25 # ok that makes sense 12.04.14 # LinusN: Doesn't appear to have made much difference 12.04.24 # still never finds the partition 12.04.47 # i'm surprised that multisectors is set to 1 12.05.17 # oh sorry - you want me to check that as well after the change 12.05.21 # gimme a mo 12.06.10 # LinusN: isn't it just reading the bootsector+partition table? 12.06.19 # yes it is 12.06.29 # that's only 1 sector, no? 12.06.29 # heh - it's *trying* to 12.06.30 # n1s: http://pastebin.ca/283466 12.06.36 # mutlisectors is 1 12.06.46 # i'm not sure how great that phrasing is, but i think that's a bit more clear and concise 12.06.46 # aaaah 12.06.48 # I mean 0 12.07.00 # curse my fat fingers 12.07.30 # that's one fat finger :) 12.07.39 # hitting 1 when you meant 0? 12.07.40 # hehe 12.08.02 # 0 and 1 keys can be far away from each other depending on which keys you use :p 12.08.14 # that was keypad 12.08.18 # only on the number pad 12.08.22 # ok, tell me what word 47 contains? 12.08.33 # which i kinda assumed you wouldn't be using conversationally 12.09.55 # 47 contains : 0008000 12.10.31 # ok 12.10.49 # n1s: http://pastebin.ca/283471 12.10.53 # this is *very* interesting 12.11.08 # it's *very* frustrating too 12.11.25 # Falco: I'll think about if I can make it any better, bbl 12.11.39 # cool 12.11.40 # this could mean that READ_MULTIPLE isn't supported like we would like it to 12.11.49 # n1s: that last one is a bit better 12.11.54 # n1s: imho :) 12.12.06 # i gotta duck out for awhile too.. 6AM here, about bedtime 12.12.08 # heh 12.12.25 # GodEater_Web: try this: 12.12.47 # (1) set multisectors to 1 12.12.55 Nick Falco98 is now known as falco_away (n=chatzill@cpe-024-088-106-250.sc.res.rr.com) 12.13.01 # (2) don't call set_multiple() in ata_init() 12.13.17 # (3) use READ_SECTORS instead of READ_MULTIPLE 12.13.21 # so just hard code mutlisectors to 1 in ata_read_sectors() ? 12.13.30 # no, in ata_init() 12.14.03 # right 12.17.33 # ok - stuff happens a lot faster now 12.17.38 # but 12.17.47 # it's still not reading the partitions 12.18.17 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 12.19.07 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 12.19.07 Quit GodEater_Web ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.19.43 Join GodEater_Web [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f72b6aec1753afbf) 12.20.01 # instead of the long pause I *was* getting after displaying the HD id 12.20.06 Quit petur ("lunch") 12.20.18 # it's now displaying the "no partition found" error very quickly indeed 12.21.51 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m64.net81-67-5.noos.fr) 12.22.12 # should I be leaving set_features and freeze_lock() commented out ? 12.24.38 Quit menosm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.28.46 # GodEater_Web: you can put those back 12.28.56 # already did 12.29.02 # GodEater_Web: you might want to take a peek at the sector data that is read 12.29.19 # and the status/error registers 12.29.32 # ok - I'll do that again 12.30.58 # o/ 12.31.07 # guess who's 14 in two days 12.31.19 # i am 12.31.24 # me too 12.31.29 # :-) 12.31.44 # am i the youngest rockbox user, or is someone younger than me? :O 12.31.50 # it's gonna be sWEET 12.32.07 # does it really matter? 12.32.12 # not really 12.32.29 # i dont think anyone can attest for all rockbox users 12.32.42 # yep 12.32.52 # status :0x59, error:0x10 12.32.53 # maybe someone 9 years old guy uses rockbox but he doesn't know it 12.32.58 # which is the same as before 12.33.01 # or no one knows it 12.33.06 # GodEater_Web: dammit 12.34.15 # LinusN: you're displaying admirable patience, I seem to recall you saying you'd bought yourself one of these 80Gs recently - given the interest you're showing I'm surprised you've not hooked your own up yet :) 12.34.27 # :-) 12.35.07 # Danger Mouse - A Dark March, maybe the best theme ever ;o 12.37.45 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 12.37.45 Quit FOAD_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.38.38 Part Llorean 12.42.06 # GodEater_Web: did you check words 100-103? 12.42.26 # um - not that I recall 12.42.38 # and 86 too 12.43.15 # is that 100 to 103 inclusive ? 12.43.55 # yes 12.45.12 # What is 100-103? 12.45.18 # everything is 0 except 86 which is 0x5000 12.48.30 # This is the sector data from the read call? 12.48.54 # no, the identify info 12.49.14 # Where is word 100-103 defined? 12.49.28 # The ata specs say 94-126 are reserved 12.49.37 # the ata-6 specs 12.49.50 # ah 12.50.25 # * linuxstb seems to recall someone moving an 80GB hard drive from an ipod to a H1xx or H3xx 12.51.34 # They're not on the datasheets page... 12.52.21 # amiconn: no, on t13.org 12.53.07 # GodEater_Web: out of curiosity, what does word 60-61 say? 12.53.29 # uno momento 12.53.48 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966FDB.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.54.11 # * linuxstb was mistaken - the ipod 80GB drives have a ZIF connector, people have put other 80GB drives into irivers... 12.55.03 # 60: 0xF8B0 61: 0x950 12.55.34 Quit barrywardell () 12.58.38 # That looks like an expected value 12.59.20 # 0x950F8B0 sectors * 512 byte/sector = 80026361856 bytes 12.59.28 # yes 12.59.43 # i'm surprised that lba=0 gives an IDNF error 12.59.48 # just grabbing a sandwich - back in 10 mins 12.59.57 # anyway, gotta go to a meeting 13.07.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.10.06 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4d384e278fa4b39b) 13.14.02 # I wonder if all the queueing shouldn't just (u)intptr_t instead of void *. Seems like 99% of it is used to pass integral values and not pointers :\ 13.16.27 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 13.18.25 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54932D7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.19.29 # jhMikeS: Did you see my comment regarding doom and the 64 bit warnings? 13.20.31 # amiconn: Looked in the logs. must have missed it. lemme check again. 13.21.58 # ok, so what's the details with that exactly? I tried to make the cast correct for what it seemed to be needing it for. 13.22.14 # Yes, but the structure element shouldn't be a pointer at all 13.22.28 # It's a remnant of the original code 13.23.03 # The original code seems to use the file stream functions (f*), so the pointer was used to store a FILE * 13.23.22 # But in rockbox there is only low-level file i/o using file descriptors 13.23.43 # ok, it should get sign extended correctly but if it can be simpler then just make it an int? 13.23.50 # I thought it would be better to just wait for kkurbjun to fix that properly 13.24.26 # Some checks need adjustment (e.g. FILE * == NULL means failure, but fd == 0 is perfectly valid) 13.24.33 # Then the code could support .deh files 13.25.09 # Suppose I could search for every instance and make adjustments. The comparison with < 0 for failure was already there but with an int cast. 13.25.39 # struct DEHFILE looks like it could just be changed to using int 13.26.01 # It's private to that single source file anyway 13.26.50 # then it sounds pretty simple to get any == NULL stuff corrected or other problems 13.27.35 # I made the assumption again that the original porter would have made the nescessary changed for rb compatibility :) 13.27.56 # He did, but not everything in the first round 13.29.22 # dehfgets() has the real-file parts commented out 13.29.45 Quit GodEater_Web ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.29.57 # Rockbox doesn't have fgets(), but it can be replaced by read_line(), it's even already exported 13.30.00 # to me that sounds like an odd thing to leave it partly converted 13.30.49 # ...and fgetc() can be replaced with a read() of length 1 13.31.07 # Of course the buffer must be provided somehow 13.32.27 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.32.45 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@82.52.160.68) 13.34.07 # I suppose there will be a flood of errors when changing the struct member to int (I hope). 13.34.47 Join GodEater_Web [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1d78c21cdcc55598) 13.34.55 # Doing a conversion in steps often is a good idea 13.35.01 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 13.35.12 # But I wonder why the next step didn't happen yet... 13.38.46 # possibly dumb question : do we know of any of our platforms which support PACKET ata commands ? 13.41.52 # !*fp->inp <== wtf with code like that left there, almost like it was memory mapped files before or something :\ 13.48.45 # so deh "files" from the wad isn't supported? 13.53.52 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.53.56 Quit GodEater_Web ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.56.02 Join GodEater_Web [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d517b60a5e7b4e67) 13.56.58 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 13.58.24 # can't figure why it shouldn't support DEHACKED lumps ... could do both really 14.00.17 # would having DMA turned on by default have any effect on our reading from the drive ? 14.01.57 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.02.01 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 14.02.07 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.05.39 # would it be possible to alter the CVS tarball from the site to include the ipodpatcher tree as well ? 14.06.27 # Sure, I'll do that now. 14.07.52 # thanks - it's a pain having to check it out file by file from the ViewCVS :) 14.07.59 # Done. 14.08.05 Join Slyanh [0] (n=Slyanh@ACB841A4.ipt.aol.com) 14.08.13 # I'm not sure when the next one will be generated though 14.08.16 # hi everyone 14.08.45 # amiconn: ok, it's getting clearer what going on here ... seems pretty straightforward 14.09.20 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 14.09.29 # hey it's the first time I run rockbox on my new nano 1st gen can someone explain me something about the volume ? 14.09.59 # if you ask us a question, probably 14.10.01 # Bagder claims it's whenever someone does a commit 14.10.51 # is there a volume limiter that allow you to make a maximum and a minimum volume in the config ? 14.11.04 # instead of having 20dB or something like that as maximum that can be deadly 14.11.09 # (please forgive my poor english) 14.11.18 # no there isnt 14.11.44 # do you think it could be a good idea to make a new plugin or something like that ? 14.12.11 # Slyanh: sounds reasonble to me 14.12.16 # it wouldnt be a plugin 14.12.18 # go right ahead 14.12.26 # hm think it'll be difficult to make ? 14.12.38 # jhMikeS: any ideas about that last build warning? can i just cast to uint32_t*? 14.12.59 # and as it would add to the size and not much gained, i dont think it would be accepted into CVS, but you never know 14.13.22 # no i dont, but it depends on how well you know C 14.13.23 # Slyanh: Can I ask why you want such an option? 14.13.28 # oh if I can make a plug in easily and quickly it's fine 14.14.00 # well, like i said, it wouldnt be a plugin...also, like i said, it depends on how well you know C 14.14.07 # well that's way when I change the volume I'll not accidently go near 0dB or something like that 14.14.16 # oh sorry I didn't see 14.14.58 # I have some friends who use rockbox and know some C so I can ask them but I don't know if it can work and how add this kind of option 14.15.11 Join muesli [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 14.15.24 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 14.15.42 # but I'm thinking about a new option line with " Max dB " and eventually another one " Min dB " that can be changed by the user 14.16.08 # barrywardell: on the table? haven't looked there. 14.16.26 # so anyways, it don't exist at the moment, thanks for the info it'll save me some time 14.16.28 # whoah! :) 14.16.34 # also, there is already a feature request for it: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4950 14.16.37 # yes, on the build table. there's a problem in mp3_enc.c 14.17.00 # scorche > yeah I saw that 14.17.08 # my recording patch left me lots of errors and warnings to fix. that's the only one left 14.17.48 # barrywardell: just cast it to int32_t * 14.17.56 # falco_away: still away? 14.18.24 # chunk->enc_data is a const_char * but it's byteswapping 32 bit ints 14.18.57 # jhMikeS: int32_t * or uint32_t *? 14.19.02 # s/const_char */unsigned char * 14.19.14 # uint32_t * 14.19.24 # ok, i'll commit the change now.. 14.20.13 # thanks 14.21.31 # hey another question about the config please...when you change your theme what kind of options does it change ? 14.21.42 # like text scrolling speed or something else 14.21.59 # You can open the theme ".cfg" file in a text editor to see what it changes. You can put anything you want in there. 14.22.02 # or nothing ? 14.22.06 # ok thanks ! 14.22.47 # jhMikeS: Currently it *only* supports deh lumps, but not files 14.23.56 # jhMikeS: Regarding the mp3 encoder - I don't understand why the encoded data must be byte swapped when it's just a byte stream... 14.24.21 # amiconn: right, I see that alot of code accesses the lumps through the inp member so there should probably be an fd member and less code will have to change 14.26.16 # amiconn: it encodes out as little endian int32 blocks on le platforms but every four bytes must be swapped around. perhaps the encoder could be revamped to just write it correcly in the first place but more work would be needed 14.28.18 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.28.55 # I guess putlong and putbits would need the work 14.29.19 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 14.30.52 # I dont know if Falco98 brought this up before... is there any objections to fs 5344? (after tidyin up the patch?) 14.32.03 # if putlong and putbits wrote out correctly on le, then the swapping pass could be removed...something to do in the near future I suppose. 14.35.42 # JdGordon: Falco98 was talking about that patch earlier 14.36.02 # was there a definative yes/no to it? 14.36.22 Quit lini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.38.17 # could even encode straight to the chunk when iram isn't used which would be more efficient. 14.38.29 # I only see the mention of it in the log.. no discussion.... I'll commit it unless someone yells.... 14.40.14 # I don't think there was anyone against it 14.42.24 Quit GodEater_Web ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.43.00 # Should the current "shuffle" option be "shuffle Only" ? 14.43.01 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 14.43.07 Quit barrywardell () 14.43.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 14.46.22 # linuxstb: thats just a lang change isnt it? 14.47.19 Join ScoTTie_ [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 14.47.42 # Yes, I think so. It's just that I'm looking at the crossfade settings for the first time (I never use it), and it wasn't immediately obvious what the options did. 14.48.48 Quit TFGBD (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.49.25 Part Slyanh 14.51.00 # I guess thats what the manual is there for.... 14.51.40 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.51.53 # the options sonud a bit wierd to me tho. why would you not want crossfade (assuming you wanted it at all) if shuffle is on and you do a manual track change? 14.52.04 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.52.11 Join GodEater_Web [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1b8845846f068c48) 14.53.27 # Just seems to me that there are three logical on/off settings - crossfade during normal playback, crossfade during shuffled playback, and crossfade during manual skips. 14.57.25 # * JdGordon thinks we should wait for someone who actually uses crossfade before doin anyhing 14.58.22 Quit XavierGr () 14.58.51 # ok - I'm officially stumped now - don't know what to try next - every ATA read I issue to this damn thing seems to end up with an error - it needs someone who really knows what they're doing now I think :) 15.01.07 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 15.01.55 Join Gnelik [0] (n=Miranda@spynet.sm.chereda.net) 15.04.58 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.05.20 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B95D40.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.05.20 # GodEater_Web: I don't know how much it will help, but could you perhaps put the whole identify info somewhere? 15.05.44 # er 15.05.51 # that's a lot to dump to the screen :) 15.05.54 # and then retype 15.06.07 # but I suppose I could 15.06.09 # yes I know... 15.06.24 # I've just snagged a copy of the ATA-6 spec too 15.06.31 # shall I do the relevants bits from that as well ? 15.07.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.07.16 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.08.21 # fs 2838 can be safely closed right? or does it add some other function which isnt in there yet? 15.08.30 Part redwoo1 15.10.08 # anyone know how many chars wide the ipod lcd is ? 15.10.41 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-4570aea6.dyn.optonline.net) 15.11.17 # ANother of those simple calculations 15.11.48 # (for the sysfont) 320 / 6 = 53 chars per line 15.12.01 # 240 / 8 = 30 lines 15.12.16 # * JdGordon would kill for malloc/free in the core about now :'( 15.12.26 # huh? 15.12.31 # * amiconn never missed malloc 15.13.18 # well, obviously a largish buffer can always be statically alloated, but its easier and less likely to be watsed with malloc 15.14.34 # Yes, and usually it's even better to try to get around using a largish buffer 15.15.06 # The problem with malloc is that you would need a ton more error checks, and still not get as good memory usage as we do now 15.15.33 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.15.49 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.15.51 # for example. I want to add some sort of buffering to the list control, but the miniman needed would be MAX_PATH* number of rows depending on the font, which could be taken on boot, but would be useless when the font changes 15.16.12 # Why do we need buffering there? 15.16.19 # to speed it up 15.16.33 # it calls the get_name callback way more than needed 15.16.45 # Is there a performance problem? Never saw any sign of such a problem 15.16.53 # Is that the bottleneck? 15.16.56 # ...not even on archos 15.17.17 # you never had the problem with the audio pausing while scrolling through lists? 15.17.22 # nope 15.17.28 # Not on any target 15.17.30 # IIRC, Earhertz wrote a useful-looking patch (on flyspray) to minimise the redrawing when scrolling lists. 15.17.35 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 15.18.02 # On g% it's reportedly the redrawing which is too slow, but there's almost nothing we can do abou tthat 15.18.37 # G5 15.19.11 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 15.19.30 # fs 5591 does a different optimization, but looks better actually 15.20.07 # Of course we could redraw less often, but then it will look rather jumpy 15.21.03 # the problem with the list is the callback for every item on the screen is called every time the screen changes, when really only at most 2 need to be called again 15.21.41 # sorry, at most 1 needs to be called again (for each redraw) 15.22.05 # ? 15.22.43 # the only item which would need to be checked is the new one coming onto the screen. all others would be in a buffer. 15.23.03 # so, if you are using a tiny font it would potentially be a big speed boost 15.23.11 # no 15.23.16 # no? 15.23.30 # The callback is only a small fraction of the whole redraw time 15.23.34 # Here I am fixing deh file loading and I don't even know what they're for or how to do testing for it =:) 15.23.43 # The actual text drawing takes significantly longer 15.24.21 # ...and that's called for every line on the screen when scrolling 15.24.28 # hmm... ok, that sucks 15.24.43 # Yes, but it can't be changed easily 15.24.49 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e3f3c841fe157ecc) 15.25.28 # ...but on G5, lcd_update() is another big sucker, and that cannot be fixed with current knowledge 15.26.15 # but in general, lcd drawing is much slower than code to get the text? 15.26.57 # Just a little comparison: How long is the text that's about to be displayed? And how many pixels are that? 15.27.04 # (the visible part) 15.27.25 # say 30 chars on average maybe? 15.27.28 # each row 15.28.03 Quit barrywardell () 15.28.14 # I have some ideas for speeding up mono bitmap (and hence text) drawing, but the effect will probably only be significant on coldfire targets (h300, x5) 15.28.26 # suits me :D 15.28.33 # On pp targets the effect would be minor 15.29.33 # (probably) 15.29.49 # suits me too...what about those DEH files? :) 15.31.13 # JdGordon: But coming back to list scrolling: I never got stopping music from scrolling lists on any of my targets (which don't include a G5). I wonder how people manage to make that happen... 15.32.13 # it happened alot more before the schedular, but holding down any list would pause music playback 15.32.26 # Holding down? 15.32.46 # Hmm, maybe it's because of my list lengths and scroll habits 15.32.56 # scrlling the list non-stop 15.33.07 # * JdGordon is tired 15.33.25 # JdGordon: since the lcd scroll code has a buffer for each line, you could use that and only add the new item at the top or bottom of the list, then set a row offset and redraw 15.33.37 # I've gone up to word 180 - need me to go higher ? 15.34.02 # no extra buffers that way 15.34.14 # interesting... 15.34.20 # lowlight: The scroll buffer is private a, firmware-level buffer in the lcd driver 15.34.29 # The list code shouldn't even know it exists 15.35.04 # so adding a get_scrolling_text() function would be out of the question? 15.35.34 # Yes, especially since the scrolling lines buffer will go away when viewports get added 15.37.04 # And to repeat that, you wouldn't gain significant speed anyway 15.37.06 # ok...Google it is then. Almost done with it anyway. 15.37.07 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.37.35 # The callbacks are call like how often? Once per line, and once per scroll step 15.37.41 Join LTjake [0] (n=bricas@h64-5-219-130.gtcust.grouptelecom.net) 15.37.51 # once per line per redraw 15.37.59 # A typical list contains, say, 20 lines 15.38.09 # So 20 calls for a full-screen list 15.38.17 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a6e5d21963d4d08c) 15.38.35 # How complex is the typical callback? I'd say not more than a couple of lines of C code 15.38.51 # Now compare this to the _actual_ redrawing work. 15.39.02 # amiconn: I don't mean manipulate the scroll buffer, rather be able to set a row offset, ie, make row 2 the top row 15.39.30 # lowlight: I repeat: the scrolling lines buffer will go away in its current form 15.39.31 # I hear at the Database callback can take quite a while 15.40.27 # Let's say the average text line goes across half the screen. On H300, drawing that list means checking 20*8*110 pixels 15.40.42 # amiconn: fine...the concept is to specify which row is the "first" row 15.41.16 # so you can reuse the buffer/viewport/whatever on rows that don't change 15.41.19 # identity info for words 0 through 179 here : http://pastebin.ca/283673 15.41.21 # lowlight: The current method isn't flexible enough for viewports. There will be no notion of lines anymore 15.41.39 # Different viewports might have different fonts, different x/y coordinates etc 15.42.29 # ok...then you'd be shifting "y" for the viewports of the "lines" :) 15.42.50 # How do you know which 'line' is which? 15.44.00 # Imho it doesn't pay off to add a significant level of complexity _here_, when the redrawing itself takes significantly longer 15.44.22 # well, there could be insert_top/insert_bottom functions in the list which shift the rows and add only the new one 15.45.03 # There are no rows 15.45.20 # Scrolling items could belong to completely different viewports 15.45.36 # then what's a list? one viewport with rows? many viewports stacked in rows? 15.45.49 # The list itself is one viewport 15.46.08 # As soon as a viewport uses scrolling text, it becomes special in that it becomes cloned 15.46.25 # ...by the scrolling code, in order to store the currrent attributes 15.47.14 # A cloned viewport must be closed when it's no longer displayed, in order to release all the scrolling objects (the cloned sub-viewports) 15.47.34 # slightly easier to read list of the identity_info words on the 80gig ipod's ATA controller : http://pastebin.ca/283675 15.47.41 # Today, scrolling objects are cleared when clearing the whole screen, but that will no longer work 15.48.43 # GodEater_Web: 54 and 88 cannot be correct... 15.48.58 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.48.58 # I'll double check 15.49.08 # 5 hex digits 15.49.41 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-313daead20ae2e44) 15.49.59 # * lowlight shrugs and waits for viewports :) 15.50.17 # * JdGordon thinks of other places to fiddle with 15.50.35 # what does the standard fgetc return if it fails? 15.50.45 # 54: 3fff 15.50.50 # 88 : 101F 15.51.36 # jhMikeS: <0 probably 15.51.42 # that looks like what I posted before 15.51.53 # jhMikeS: EOF 15.51.59 # http://www.cplusplus.com/ref/cstdio/fgetc.html 15.52.23 # although I will admit to a leading zero on 54 which prolly shouldn't have been there 15.53.05 Quit GodEater_Web ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.53.35 Join GodEater_Web [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9f98effd8ee4d90e) 15.54.07 Quit lowlight (Client Quit) 15.55.01 # JdGordon: thanks 15.55.53 Quit Llorea1 ("Leaving.") 15.58.18 # What version of Softfloat is used in arm-elf-gcc for cygwin 15.58.20 # ? 15.58.29 # my ipod (1g ipod mini [4GB]) keeps freezing/crashing after a few minutes; i've been browsing the bug reports and it seems like enabling CPU boost will fix it -- is that just a menu setting, or does it need to be re-compiled from source? 15.58.33 # I updated the pastebin post to remove the leading zeros amiconn. Happy now ? :) 16.00.43 # 28 is probably 5348 not 4348 16.01.39 # yep 16.01.55 # TOCHIBA sounds a bit odd ;) 16.01.59 # updated it again 16.02.27 # * amiconn tries to decode the stuff by hand 16.02.35 # linuxstb: ipodpatcher is still not doing -d properly on this thing either 16.02.57 # I just get the no-backlight apple logo looping over and over 16.03.13 Join theconley [0] (n=conley@207.171.199.212) 16.03.16 # and I've made SURE I don't remove the plug till the disk activity indicator has disappeared now 16.03.58 # nor is it jumping into the apple_os when rockbox fails in my bootloader either, and I'm sure *that* was working the other day 16.04.27 # Word 47 being 8000 is correct? 16.04.52 # That's odd because the low byte should contain the allowed number of sectors in multiple transfers, and 00 is reserved 16.05.47 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c2e1eba41bf35b42) 16.07.27 # on sec I'll double check that one too 16.08.07 # yep - definitely 8000 16.08.46 # it's still reserved in ATA-6 too 16.09.14 # yes, that's what I am checking against 16.09.20 # read_line strips the newlines and fgets does not :\ 16.11.01 # wait - I'm confused - the whole of word 47 is reserved in my copy of the spec 16.11.13 Join Moos [0] (i=51400b8c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f927ff2544011d13) 16.11.17 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.11.55 # * Moos just read about HCl :( 16.12.02 # RIP 16.15.35 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 16.16.06 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 16.16.54 # GodEater_Web: It seems we don't need to think about an lba48 problem - according to word 83 it doesn't support lba48 16.18.35 Part LinusN 16.18.47 # was there ever a problem if it did ? 16.19.02 # the way I read it you should be able to use lba28 transparently 16.19.13 # I didn't expect one, but Linus thought there might be one 16.19.23 # ah 16.19.26 # Yes, me too 16.19.56 Quit funky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.19.57 # to be honest, using lba48 looks like a pain in the arse! 16.20.53 # all that two word FIFO stuff looks like a recipe for getting it wrong a lot 16.21.11 # GodEater_Web: I think the ATA driver of OpenNeo (a rockbox fork) has LBA48 support 16.22.01 # poor buggers, that must have been a nightmare to write :) 16.22.55 # markun: Yes, and [IDC]Dragon added it for rockbox (not yet committed) 16.23.22 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 16.23.54 # As rockbox uses 32 bit sector numbers it doesn't allow to use the full lba48 potential, but 2TB should be enough for a while 16.24.05 # any oz'here? 16.24.17 # (at least when sticking to 2.5" and smaller disks) 16.24.40 # hahaha - too right! 16.24.53 Quit gtkspert ("leaving") 16.25.08 # 2TB is a LOT of music 16.25.19 # lol 16.25.23 # it's even a lot of movies if we ever get round to supporting them 16.25.25 # kinda sick 16.26.55 # I wonder if the fact the Nvidia have just (as of a month ago) acquired PortalPlayer will improve our chances of getting some specs out of them? 16.27.53 # I wouldn't think so 16.28.27 # I mean, PP is hardly alone with this approach 16.28.29 # cynic :) 16.28.29 # GodEater_Web: Umm, one more: You're sure that word 128 is 0000 and 129 is 0001 ? 16.28.40 # one sec amiconn 16.28.45 # samsung, telechip and TI all have the same paranoia 16.28.49 # I would expect word 128 to be 0001 16.29.13 # (security supported, but none of the security features enabled) 16.29.17 Join piquadrat [0] (n=bw@adsl-89-217-135-204.adslplus.ch) 16.30.02 # yeah but at least Nvidia show *some* interest in open source software - even if their gfx drivers tend to be binary only 16.30.21 # 128 is 0001, and 129 is 0000 16.30.34 # me and my typos 16.31.00 # * linuxstb suggests a digital camera 16.31.27 # only have a phone on my desk - it's 3.2 mega pixels - but it's still a phone 16.32.13 # Bagder: The Gigabeat has a Samsung CPU that comes with documentation 16.32.15 # I'll keep updating the pastebin post with these corrections 16.32.27 # Hmm, all that doesn't make much sense 16.32.48 # Apart from a few reserved bits being set, the values are looking quite normal 16.33.25 # (except the multiple sector thing) 16.33.47 # which one is that in ? 16.34.41 # Ah, mompls... 16.35.14 # excuse me ? 16.36.03 # mompls == (one) moment please 16.36.12 # word 47 16.36.38 # ata.c, line 946: multisectors = identify_info[47] & 0xff; 16.36.45 # * GodEater_Web updates his IRC jargon file :) 16.37.07 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 16.37.09 # But then it's zero, and setting a multiple sector count of zero can't be good 16.37.36 # at LinusN's behest I hardcoded it to 1 and commented that line out 16.38.20 # But you still uses CMD_READ_MULTIPLE? 16.38.24 # *used 16.38.40 # nope 16.38.48 # changed to CMD_READ_SECTORS 16.38.55 # hmm 16.39.21 # which seems to eradicate whatever was causing the huge pause before it returned the partition read error 16.39.29 # but didn't do much else that was helpful 16.39.40 # Same error bit? 16.39.44 # yep 16.39.48 # odd 16.40.10 # my iPod is starting to look more and more like an expensive frisby 16.40.16 # damn thing 16.52.07 # What disk model do the 60GB ipods use? 16.52.20 # Maybe it pays off to compare the identify info 16.53.34 # no clue - never owned one 16.53.37 # MK6008? 16.54.07 # That would still be closer than what I could check 16.54.30 # (my X5 contains an MK2006GAL, and the irivers an MK4004GAH each) 16.57.00 Quit mathgl ("Quitte") 16.58.57 # damn 80GB are still so hard to find, and the ones you do find are either used or refurbished and still cost a lot of money :/ 17.00.02 # I believe there's a 100GB 1.8" drive in production now. 17.01.06 # yeah... make me laugh 17.01.29 # Hmmm? 17.01.59 # remember the time between Toshiba announcing the 80GB and its availability 17.02.03 # question: ATA-6 seems to specify three registers for LBA, Low, Mid and High - but we have #def's for only Low and High 17.02.13 # is it worth exploring in that area ? 17.02.25 # Ah, right. 17.02.56 # GodEater_Web, sounds plausible. 17.03.30 Quit pixelma (" bbl") 17.04.41 Part LTjake 17.07.00 # GodEater_Web: LBA low -> ATA_SECTOR, LBA mid -> ATA_LCYL, LBA high -> ATA_HCYL 17.07.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.07.24 # so what's Sector count then ? 17.07.41 # oh sorry - I see what you mean 17.08.03 # difference names between the two specs - how irritating 17.08.08 # *different 17.08.59 # The names in rockbox are the older ones, coming from CHS addressing 17.09.20 # ATA5 still calls them like that 17.10.36 # ATA_SELECT = Device ? 17.12.10 # yes 17.14.01 # Funny enough, the MK2006GAL does support LBA48 17.16.30 # right - so this is the content of the registers : Error :0x10, Low :0x0, Mid :0x0, High 0x0, Device :0x40, Status: 0x51 17.21.25 # Device looks a bit weird to me there - the bit which is marked as "na" in the spec is set 17.21.55 # yep 17.22.08 # I hate those 17.22.17 # and also status has an "na" bit set too 17.22.19 # I wonder whether apple/toshiba deliberately deviate from the ata standard here 17.27.33 # * GodEater_Web considers sending steve jobs hate mail 17.28.25 # GodEater_Web: Umm, device doesn't have an n/a bit set 17.28.47 # Or rather, it's not n/a in ata5 17.28.52 # ah 17.29.13 # Bit6 is the LBA bit, inidicating the address is lba instead of chs 17.29.13 # bit 6? 17.29.32 # It's set this way by rockbox' ata driver 17.29.35 Join SimonSelki [0] (i=aa4c14fd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-849a72d21d9bbc3f) 17.29.37 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 17.29.41 Join jhoney [0] (n=butt@82.166.109.146) 17.29.47 # you must be looking at a different spec from me - both 5 and 6 say n/a here 17.29.58 # Hey, I've got a question about installing rockbox with MacOS 17.30.18 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 17.30.20 # ah no - it's LBA in the inputs 17.30.24 # Check the inputs, not the outputs 17.30.28 # it's just n/a as an output 17.30.31 # gotcha 17.30.37 # I guess the disk just gives back what was passed 17.30.41 # I've never used terminal before, I don' know how to change directories or anything 17.30.43 # probably 17.31.27 # right - well I'm going to jack it in for today - I've got an appointment with a mean person at the gym who's trying to give me a heartattack 17.31.51 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.31.53 # In MS-DOS, I can atleast view the contents of the current directory, but Terminal won't let me do that, so I can't navigate my way to the folder with the bootloader 17.32.00 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B95D40.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.32.06 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ca5670146f8f4a44) 17.32.10 # Anyone here good with Terminal? 17.32.22 # hello i am having a problem with rockbox on my h10 20g. after i install and turn it on it just has a black and white screen with a text directory and a rockbox directory. i followed the instructions to a "t" and am getting frustrated :( 17.32.24 # Can anyone hear me? 17.32.37 # SimonSelki: Are you following the new "IpodInstallationBeta" webpage? 17.32.38 # no, only read 17.32.40 # * amiconn wonders what would happen if one swaps the disks of a 60GB 5th gen and an 80GB 5.5th gen 17.32.51 # No, I'm using the PDF manual 17.32.57 # Is that where I should be? 17.33.11 # As of today, yes. The manual needs updating. 17.33.16 # Ah 17.33.24 # Okay, I'm going there now 17.34.20 # can anyone point me in the right direction of what i am doing wrong? 17.35.47 # jhoney: what's the problem? seems rockbox booted ok 17.35.49 # It sounds like everything is fine - the first screen you see in Rockbox is the file browser. Those are the files on your hard disk. 17.36.08 Quit GodEater_Web ("CGI:IRC") 17.36.46 # I'm guessing the iriver firmware on the H10 hides your music inside a hidden folder. You'll need to enable "show all files" in Rockbox to view them, or enable the Rockbox Database. 17.36.56 # (the manual will describe how) 17.37.17 # i can't get into the rockbox directory 17.37.38 # to change the settings (i guess) 17.37.49 # read the manual? 17.41.50 # I hate fscking Windows. 17.42.08 # fsck is linux, m'am. :p 17.42.27 # jhoney: I'm pretty sure that "rockbox directory" is the firmware itself, not a directory 17.42.32 # * Cassandra fscks PaulPosition roughly. 17.42.34 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-022-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.42.36 # lol 17.42.41 # which means you'll never "get" into it 17.43.14 # press the right key to enter the menu ... 17.43.14 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.43.51 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 17.44.38 # jhoney: hold the left button to bring up the quickscreen. then press down till is says 'All', then press the left button again to exit the quickscreen 17.45.05 Join Mmmm [0] (n=martin@cpc1-hem13-0-0-cust1.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 17.45.18 # barrywardell - Now that you've committed all those changes around pp chip, that dualboot patch of yours (and dan's) obviously won't sync. Any chance we might get another one or, if unpracticable, any news on whether you found what made it so it needs new f/w to go along with new bootloader on h10? 17.45.55 # there shouldn't be much to change to get it in sync again 17.46.07 # i'm hoping to commit it very soon 17.46.41 # as soon as it's tested on the 3g iPod (and other iPods if there are any volunteers?) 17.46.41 Join webguest42 [0] (i=55d2aad2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f44ab3c1e2a58545) 17.46.44 Quit ender` (Client Quit) 17.47.19 # Well, in /firmware/SOURCES there's a ifdef bootloader that used to load crt0 stuff.. Now that it went into pcm-something-else, I wouldn't know what to do. But my life doesn't depend on it so the info you provided just made my day anyway. :) 17.48.02 # on the 5.5g ipod can you still boot apple os if you install the rb bootloader? 17.48.36 # webguest - On every iPod, if you install conform to the install guide, you should be able to dualboot into the firmware of your choice, yes. 17.48.44 # on the 30bg yes 17.48.59 Quit Gnelik ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.49.01 # oh... 5.5g is still a work-in-progress... 80gb doesn't support rb yet anyway.. 17.49.25 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 17.49.32 # awesome - i thought if ipodlinux couldn't do it rb wouldnt 17.50.14 # by w.i.p do you mean as much in progress as the other ipods or is it behind normal 5g (talking 30gb here) 17.50.24 # barry: thank you 17.50.27 # PaulPosition: http://pastebin.ca/283784 17.50.51 # webguest - I wouldn't know for sure as I don't own one but I'm sure if you wait long enough somebody else has the answer. 17.50.52 # I think it's just firmware/SOURCES that had to be updated 17.51.12 # barrywardell - Indeed, yes.. Thanks a whole lot I'll let you know how it goes. :D 17.52.42 # now that we're on the subject, does anybody with an iPod wanna test that patch? it has already been tested on iPod Color, but all other models could do with testing 17.54.48 # webguest42: The 30GB 5.5g works as well as the 5g in Rockbox. Including dualboot if you use the new set of install tools and instructions (the IpodInstallationBeta webpage). 17.55.25 # (the dual-boot issue was due to a buggy ipod_fw/make_fw) 17.56.06 # thanks linuxstb 17.56.13 Quit webguest42 ("CGI:IRC") 17.56.16 Quit jhoney () 17.58.45 Quit Franz ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 17.58.57 Quit petur ("*plof*") 18.00.07 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 18.02.23 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 18.03.07 # Barrywardell - That firmware/SOURCES diff is trying to get 'target/arm/crt0-pp.S' out of a #def condition but my original SOURCES shows 'pcm-pp.c', 'audio-pp.c' and only then 'crt0-pp.S'... I leave all of 'em there, right? 18.04.41 # Whatever, I'll build.. live and see. 18.04.43 # :) 18.04.47 # it should look like this: http://pastebin.ca/283806 18.06.50 # barrywardell - Thanks again. Patch you sent me was (trying to) diff-out the #ifdef bootloader --> #else though. :p 18.07.25 # maybe i'm not quite up to the latest CVS then 18.08.56 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 18.09.04 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484C118.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.12.43 Join muszek [0] (n=muszek@awc202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 18.12.54 # hi 18.13.35 # first, condolences to all friends of Michiel... 18.14.30 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 18.16.10 # I just bought sansa e250 for my sister for christmas... would e200 build work on it? 18.16.20 Quit SimonSelki ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.16.35 # there's no sound playback 18.16.39 # yet 18.16.43 # muszek - It most probably will, but I don't think the sansa is working good enough, yet. 18.16.52 # thank you 18.17.09 Quit Mmmm (Remote closed the connection) 18.17.24 # original firmware has big problems recognizing my tags... on the other hand, rockbox on my own iaudio x5 works perfectly 18.17.50 # it is progressing quite quickly 18.18.43 # that's good news... is there any rss feed that I cool hook up to and get future announcements? 18.18.51 # muszek - The sansa is using a chipset that's much alike that of older iPods and some iRiver players, so whatever development happens on one of these targets, it trickle down to sansa too... :D 18.19.16 # (well, most development that is..) 18.20.03 # to be honest, I'm pretty far away from low-level technology... so that doesn't tell me too much :) 18.20.29 # muszek: you could check the cvs logs for sansa related updates 18.20.33 # btw... do you know if Vista uses UTF? 18.21.00 # muszek - What's important is that progress on the sansa, from scratch to a good working version, should be fast because of sharing much hardware with other, somewhat more advanced, projects. 18.21.02 # I'm on linux and most of my mp3-players-related problems come from character encoding 18.21.25 # I see 18.23.16 # but then, other ports are also benefiting from the sansa work, since that was what cracked the mi4 files ;-) 18.24.16 # True enough and I can only rejoice at that prospect as my player's an iRiver H10. :p 18.24.31 # all credits to MrH 18.25.24 # thanks for your answers and wonderful work - rockbox saved my butt on iaudio. bye. 18.25.32 Quit muszek ("Ex-Chat") 18.25.40 # Badger - What's that cracking mi4 file thing? on-the-fly scramble/unscramble or what?! 18.25.58 # the file is both encrypted and digitally signed 18.26.13 # So what's an mi4 file for then? 18.26.19 # the firmware 18.26.34 # on basically all non-ipod PP targets 18.27.07 # mrh figured out the encryption and tracked down the keys... 18.27.17 # and figured out how to "cheat" around the signing 18.28.36 # Badger - ah... Uh... I still don't see what changed but thats' just stupid me. the scramble tool or mi4code one existed before the sansa port, no? 18.28.46 # nope 18.29.10 # mi4code was developed during our research of the mi4 files 18.29.27 # ... which started with our sansa work 18.29.36 # Ah... So work on Sansa dates much farther back than I thought... :o 18.29.48 # may '06 iirc 18.30.11 # gotta run, bbl 18.30.20 # badger - I see, interresting that the H10 developed so 'fast' then compared to the sansa.. :o 18.30.23 Join J0hnWayne [0] (n=brauchne@erft-4db38126.pool.einsundeins.de) 18.30.27 # thanks 18.30.29 # MrH wrote mi4code 18.30.41 Nick J0hnWayne is now known as Lion2k6 (n=brauchne@erft-4db38126.pool.einsundeins.de) 18.30.46 # hi@all 18.32.24 Quit strabes (Remote closed the connection) 18.33.07 Quit Lion2k6 (Client Quit) 18.34.16 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 18.35.40 Quit strabes (Remote closed the connection) 18.36.35 # * Arathis starts vmware compile and test the recording build :) 18.38.25 # I thought I read somewhere that Sandisk asked us to port to the Sansa. 18.40.25 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.40.28 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p549866DB.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.40.49 # Cassanda - Not exactly, but they did send someone one or two DAPS to uh... dab with. No doc, though as they most certainly signed some non-divulgation thing.. :( 18.41.12 # They did. They also sent two retail players and development board to Bagder. But they gave no documentation of any kind, or any technical help. 18.43.22 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.44.43 # Barrywardell - Thanks so much, dualbooting still works like a charm and the strides you've done in two days on the recording stuff is incredible. :D 18.47.15 # great 18.48.03 # btw: the problem that you need to build BT and RB and can't use a normal RB build from the page is still there? 18.49.20 # Ah - PR stunt then rather than actual support. 18.50.43 # yes and it worked :-P 18.50.46 # Cassandra - I see it more like someone wanted rockbox on his DAP but couldn't fork over code that doesnt belong to him.. Sent what he/she could and that is hardware built by sansa.. ('cause, frankly, catering to RB folks isn't the best PR stunt ever imagined) 18.51.01 # But what do I know.. :p 18.53.01 # barrywardell: do I still need to apply the patch or is it in CVS now? 18.54.08 # you still need to apply the patch 18.55.19 # PaulPosition: No wonder h10 moved along faster than sansa 18.55.45 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 18.55.58 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.56.05 # h10 uses pp5020 and a harddisk, much closer to the other pp targets (i.e. ipods) than the sansa, which uses pp5024 and flash memory 18.56.39 # exactly, the h10 is much more similar to the ipod than the Sansa is 18.57.07 # Arathis - The patch you've got from me two weeks ago won't sync anymore... You need http://pastebin.ca/283784 version of the patch... When you apply it will produce rejects on firmware/SOURCES but for all I've seen you can disregard them. 18.57.27 # That makes sense, thanks.. 18.58.14 # I just really was under the impression that porting sansa e2xx began like two months ago. But then, that's about when I started getting interested in Rockbox so ... 19.00.48 # is there any current Rockbox target that has a backlight on the buttons? I wanted to add control of the sansa's scrollwheel backlight, but I'm not sure where to put it or what to call the function. 19.01.12 # I was thinking scrollwheel_light_on(bool) 19.01.17 # in the button driver 19.02.20 # No other target has button light 19.02.54 # On X5 there's also a light we need to decide what to do with 19.03.10 # hte gigabeat F does have buttonlight though 19.03.15 # It has a 2-coloour LED at the top, marked 'CHARGE' 19.03.38 # The of uses it as a charging indicator, red while charging and green when finished 19.04.00 # i think in the button light case, it should just come on when the buttons are in use and then off after a delay 19.04.06 # not sure about the X5's light 19.04.15 # I think it's a bit of waste to use the thing just for charging indication, but then a different use might be confusing... 19.04.47 # Arathis: the relevant code in firmware/SOURCES should look like this: http://pastebin.ca/283806 19.04.55 # barrywardell: Yes, I think the button light should react to using the buttons, with a configurable timeout 19.05.22 # Probably it shouldn't react when hold is enabled (does the sansa have a hold switch?) 19.05.30 # yes, it has hold 19.05.47 # Oh for f***s sake. Getting a simple drive letter from a USB device really ought not to be this hard. 19.05.52 # You suck, MS. 19.06.21 # barrywardell: before or after apllying the patch? 19.06.23 Quit strabes (Remote closed the connection) 19.06.24 # Cassandra: An USB device doesn't have to have a drive letter assigned 19.06.53 # Arathis: after applying 19.06.55 # It can be mounted on an arbitrary sub-directory of an NTFS volume 19.07.08 # *also 19.07.08 # okay, I'll check 19.07.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.09.04 # Cassandra: Tried looking at the IPL installer? 19.09.23 # amiconn: well either way I can't get a fscking path out of bloody Windows. 19.09.33 # linuxstb, nope. Got a link? 19.10.15 # ok, the sansa of turns on the backlight when the scrollwheel is in use (no other buttons), then turns it off after a set delay 19.10.31 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 19.10.40 # Cassandra: Source appears to only be in SVN - "svn co http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/installer" 19.16.13 Quit nudel (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19.19.17 Quit piquadrat (Remote closed the connection) 19.20.58 # linuxstb: still around? 19.20.59 # linuxstb, that's making my head hurt more. 19.21.03 # d'oh i guess so 19.21.05 # * Cassandra sighs. 19.21.18 Nick falco_away is now known as Falco98 (n=chatzill@cpe-024-088-106-250.sc.res.rr.com) 19.22.14 Quit zylche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.22.25 # linuxstb: i saw you and JDGordon were talking about my patch (5344) while i was asleep... "shuffle + track skip" for crossfade settings... i wanted to explain it to someone 19.27.03 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.27.22 Join nudel [0] (n=leo@host-84-9-129-117.bulldogdsl.com) 19.33.22 Join SimonSelki [0] (i=aa4c14fd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-abf59512d8d59441) 19.33.56 # Okay Okay Okay, I'm at the installation part where you use Terminal to unmount the iPod (MacOS) 19.34.27 # Except, when I enter in the comman, I don't get a response 19.34.50 Quit courtc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.35.05 # And when I check on a different terminal by typing "mount" , the iPod is still mounted 19.35.20 # I'm using the new beta instructions 19.36.15 # Is itunes running? 19.36.23 # ah, yes 19.36.48 # You may find itunes keeps re-opening, so keep an eye on it... 19.37.01 # now it won't not run... 19.37.04 # it won't quit 19.37.46 # What's it doing? 19.37.54 # it looks frozen 19.37.59 # hmm 19.38.04 # it won't let me force quit either 19.38.39 # there 19.38.51 Quit muesli (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.39.30 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host253-206-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.39.52 # Now.... for the iPod to connect.... 19.40.13 # barrywardell: took a little more time, sry. my firmaware/SOURCES looks like the past in your link. the specific part of course. my SOURCES isn't just your paste ;) 19.40.40 # good.yes it should of course be more than just what I posted ;) 19.40.49 # Okay, here's the issue. When I close iTunes, it ejects the iPod 19.41.17 # or, maybe it's unmounting it for me? 19.41.28 # I think there's an option in itunes to enable you to use your ipod as a disk - you need to enable it. 19.41.48 # Shoult I connect it in Diskmode maybe? 19.41.48 # heh 19.41.54 Join webguest66 [0] (i=557e22ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3bb2e857b49de059) 19.41.55 # It might make sense 19.43.10 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 19.47.26 Quit webguest66 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.47.35 # Got it, thanks linuxstb 19.48.38 # What was the option called? 19.51.21 # it was in Preferences>iPod(tab)>Enable Disk Use 19.51.48 # okay, I'm having another run in... it can't find ipodpatcher 19.51.52 # dan_a: would you object if I hardcoded a battery reading to stop low battery warnings on the sansa? 19.52.03 # until we have the adc worked out 19.53.00 # barrywardell: Not at all. I tried to do it, but failed miserably (which is why I implemented charger detection - it was easier!) 19.53.04 # I have it extracted to my desktop, and I typed "cd desktop" but it still won't acknowledge the files there 19.53.18 # dan_a it's a fairly easy fix/hack 19.53.21 # when I tried to backup the firmware 19.53.32 # with this command: ./ipodpatcher /dev/disk1s2 -r bootpartition.bin 19.53.34 # dan_a: I don't know what it is exactly he was doing, but scorched spent most of yesterday setting bits on or off and building to test things for you.. Maybe he's got some things to report soon.. 19.53.54 Quit nudel (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 19.54.05 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-008-081.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.54.18 # dan_a: also, what do you think about this code for handling the wheel backlight: http://pastebin.ca/283915 19.54.30 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.54.41 # hmm, I think I'm going to try doing this at home on my windows.... 19.54.53 # PaulPosition: He was playing with the device controller to see if anything is turned on on the PP machines (iPod/h10/Sansa) which we can turn off. 19.55.04 Quit SimonSelki ("CGI:IRC") 19.55.39 # dan_a: That's about what I understood, yes. Be great if he finds anything. :) 19.58.49 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.59.08 # barrywardell: Looks fine. The "if(wheel_backlight_timer>0)" section can probably be simplified to one line ;) 20.01.05 # no... 2 lines 20.02.12 # i can't see it. do you want to share? 20.05.14 # No, ignore me. I'm talking rubbish! 20.05.28 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 20.06.05 # lol. OK. I'll just commit the version I have 20.06.32 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.06.37 # Cool. Did you get anywhere looking at the USB? 20.07.16 # i took a quick glance at the datasheet, but that's about it so far 20.08.02 # I think a new config feature definition is needed for the button light 20.08.36 # ...so that the ui part can include appropriate setting for it 20.08.41 # *settings 20.08.42 # barrywardell: I did the same, and worked out what the code in usb-ipod.c is doing. Then decided that doing USB is beyond my abilities for now. 20.09.13 # lol. i haven't been brave enough to get that far yet. 20.10.00 # * amiconn spotted an ifdef that can probably be eliminated in ata.c 20.10.19 # amiconn: agreed. although that adds extra complexity, so I left it out for now. 20.11.50 # I think the goal should that the config-.h files only enable features. The implementation details should be hidden in target tree 20.13.17 # E.g. right now the backlight definition is a #define that takes multiple values. When the target tree move is complete, config-.h should just need to #define HAVE_BACKLIGHT so that the ui layer knows there is a backlight 20.14.04 # yes, I understand 20.14.08 # In theory the various -target.h files could contain that, but then the high level would need to include all these 20.14.13 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 20.14.21 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 20.14.57 # ...and in addition, it would be harder to find the correct defines for optional features (those not in cvs, e.g. alarm mod for recorder v1, ondio backlight, or ata poweroff for the player) 20.16.07 # the backlight code for targets that are in target tree already works like that 20.17.28 # All targets are in target tree more or less, but the move isn't complete yet 20.18.27 # there's still some stray backlight code in backlight.c that has yet to be moved 20.18.45 Quit bluebrother ("bbl") 20.19.32 # yes 20.35.57 Join yossa_ [0] (n=chatzill@chello081018216139.chello.pl) 20.37.04 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@pD9EB33BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.38.01 # hello, just wanted to say, that I've spent the entire evening yesterday trying to override the battery warning on sansa and just when I lost all hope you guys do it :) 20.38.04 # anyone with a h100 around? 20.38.43 # Me (provided that you mean any h1x0) 20.39.18 # yes, can you do a quick test and see if play+ab works to enter mores mode in the virtual keyboard? 20.39.56 # ? 20.40.13 # morse mode 20.40.17 # Ah, you mean morse mode 20.40.20 # hehe 20.40.25 # yes, can't type 20.40.36 # Dan/Barry/yossa - trying to help a friend over phone, does the Sansa MSC mode (their naming for UMS right?) allows connection to a linux, or macOS computer? (still just an OF thing, will not be rockboxing it for a while) 20.40.52 # Yes, it does enter morse mode 20.41.07 # amiconn, thanks the bug is in the maual then :-) 20.41.42 # * amiconn thinks all targets should have morse mode 20.42.17 # On those with small screens the help would have to be shortened or left out, but that shouldn't stop the mode from working 20.42.43 # yes, if you know the codes ;-) 20.43.27 # PaulPosition: yes, as far as I know it does 20.45.00 # n1s: Yes, but that's the purpose of morse mode - being faster by not needing to look at the display 20.45.24 # I think morse code isn't really hard to learn 20.45.56 # I don't know it yet, but if more of my targets would support morse mode, I would start learning it for sure 20.45.56 # it does require some effort though (I tried and gave up too soon ;)) 20.46.12 # * jhMikeS could send telegrams to the Titanic then :) 20.46.18 # In rockbox you don't need to be especially fast 20.46.24 # amiconn: I think someone enabled it for ipods 20.46.39 # PaulPosition: linux, yes. macOS kind of 20.47.09 # n1s: Yes, just today 20.47.39 # barrywardell - kind of? 20.47.49 # it works sometimes the first time I connect to USB on my mac, but not subsequently until I restart. It also stops other USB disks working until I restard 20.48.05 # apparently downgrading the firmware to pre 1.12 versions fixes the problem 20.48.28 Quit Seed (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.48.43 # barrywardell - Oh. That's weird. I hope they fix that but, hey! I'll relay the information, thanks. :p 20.50.47 # linuxstb: the --list option of ipodpatcher0.5 isn't working for me. 20.51.02 # ipodpatcher 7 finds my ipod though 20.51.39 # how are you calling ipodpatcher? "ipodpatcher 7 --list"? 20.51.56 # no just ipodpatcher --list 20.52.03 # that shouldn't work ;) 20.52.11 # o.O 20.52.15 # maybe ipodpatcher --scan? 20.52.30 # ahhh 20.52.38 # thanks 20.52.44 # with all other options, ipodpatcher wants a device in front of the command argument 20.52.49 # ok 20.53.01 # i thoght --list == --scan 20.53.07 # no :) 20.53.23 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 20.53.23 # because if you just type ipodpatcher it diesn't list the --scan option 20.53.41 # oh. my version does. but it's a bit further up than the others 20.54.01 # i just got it from cvs ^^ 20.54.04 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 20.54.35 # DerPapst: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/A2FQE573.html 20.54.47 # this is what i get. 5th line 20.55.02 # hmm. it's a version from yesterday though 20.55.04 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/tools/ipodpatcher/ipodpatcher.c?rev=1.14&content-type=text/plain 20.55.22 # ahhh ^^ 20.55.24 # found it 20.55.28 # meh... 20.55.36 # what is the real possibility of getting some plugins to display rotated 90 degrees on sansa? Like most of the stuff that was written with standard display in mind... 20.55.42 # i should get more sleep :-/ 20.59.38 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@168-103-164-42.tukw.qwest.net) 21.04.23 # yossa_: It's very possible to do but someone has to do it... 21.04.45 # but otoh pacbox will be right from the start ;-) 21.05.46 # with half a year of c++ course and measly php knowledge under my belt, I'm not gonna bet on me doing it, but then again, I might just get the hang of it 21.06.00 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 21.07.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.08.21 Join Arathis_ [0] (n=doerk@p5484B06C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.12.42 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 21.15.23 Quit diotalevi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.18.03 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.21.25 Quit Arathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.22.09 # pixelma: I got an email from the guy with the sansa graphic. he could only give me a png 21.23.15 Nick Arathis_ is now known as Arathis (n=doerk@p5484B06C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.24.38 Part forze 21.25.12 # hmm... that's a pity - considering he has already done the work to vectorise it 21.26.07 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B14ED6.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.26.32 # if there's some need for vector images of sansa I might be able to do it. I'm quite good, or so some say. 21.27.12 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.27.16 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.27.29 Join realm [0] (i=46956c9a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-58e30dc3efdb0e2e) 21.27.30 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 21.27.31 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.27.52 # hey everyone...i just updated my ipod firmware by mistake and i had to reinstall rockbox...everything is workin perfectly again except my themes 21.28.00 # i saved all my theme folders from the previous installation 21.28.06 # but they dont seem to work 21.28.25 # any ideas anyone? 21.29.37 # What do you mean by "don't seem to work" ? 21.29.58 # well i added all the old folders back in 21.30.03 # the 'wps' folder 21.30.04 # fonts folder 21.30.09 # and backdrop folder 21.30.13 # yossa_: yes maybe you could help a bit if you want to :) 21.30.21 # but when i go look at the theme broswer on rockbox it doesnt see any of them there 21.30.55 # pixelma: fill me in, if work samples are required, I have a 2004ish portfolio on the web 21.31.01 # Did you restore the contents of your "./rockbox/themes/" folder? 21.31.09 # how do i do that? 21.31.12 # barrywardell: it seems after recording playback won't work till I restart the player (H10/20gb) 21.31.22 # The same way you did the other folders. 21.31.40 # i just uninstalled rockbox and reinstalled it 21.31.41 # Arathis: yes, that's one of the known bugs that has yet to be fixed:) 21.31.47 # then put back my themes folders 21.31.50 # and they dont show up 21.32.13 # Was one of the folders you put back actually called "themes" ? 21.32.35 # yossa_: we used vector graphics for the manuals (and maybe later use) - you can take a look at these. I just wanted to have them both not too complex but giving an impression of the real thing 21.32.35 # oh crap! 21.32.38 # i forgot that one 21.32.41 # nooooo 21.32.57 # no wonder they dont work 21.33.02 # well i still have all the names of the themes 21.33.07 # what is the website where i can download themes? 21.33.19 # ill just get them all again and just add the themes files again 21.33.36 # http://www.rockbox-themes.org ? 21.33.46 # you're the man :) 21.33.46 # thanks bro 21.33.46 # barrywardell: but recording itself works great :D 21.34.06 Join pdvhbr [0] (i=d5d93318@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f194653c758196a4) 21.34.16 # I'm told line-in also doesn't work 21.34.53 # pixelma: I'm looking at the manuals right now, yeah I suppose I can do something in that style 21.35.08 # great :) 21.35.26 # hey guys does rockbox support arabic/persian font? 21.36.44 # pixelma: so is it just the front of the player like in the simulator needed? 21.37.20 # yes it is 21.39.40 # all right, svg format? 21.40.06 # pdvhbr: yes! 21.40.15 # thanks for asking, you are one of the first :) 21.40.30 # :) 21.40.47 # pdvhbr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts 21.41.10 # yossa_: yes 21.41.22 # pdvhbr: Don't know about farsi, but if there are things missing just ask me and I'll try to fix 21.42.14 # kewl thx though 21.42.49 # Anyone know how I should tag the current CVS version of ipodpatcher as being the v0.5 release? 21.43.23 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.43.31 # yossa_: have you ever heard about fireworks png (he claims that it is vector and could be imported in Illustrator...) 21.46.02 # hey one more question guys 21.46.03 # i forgot how to do this 21.46.24 # how do i view all my music by id3 tags on an ipod video? 21.47.33 Join courtc [0] (n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 21.47.59 # pixelma: from the looks of it it's something like an extended psd file with edit history, layers, effects etc, which might imply vector content, but I don't know for sure 21.49.47 # so maybe we already have a vector file but I don't have Illustrator to try and see 21.50.31 Quit pdvhbr ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.50.54 # neither do I, within an hour or so, you'll have two too choose from anyway. 21.51.17 # hehe - ok :) 21.51.54 # yossa - want me to try open something in Illustrator? (I ain't got 'toshop though..) 21.52.41 # hey guys how to browse my ipod video? 21.52.45 # *how do i 21.52.46 # PaulPosition: I'd like to 21.53.13 # pixelma - Just send a link, I'll try and see what I can export from it.. :) 21.57.20 Quit Siku () 22.00.51 # ok got iy 22.00.54 # nevermind 22.00.56 # *it 22.00.59 # I'm getting a PSP! 22.01.00 Quit realm ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.01.22 Quit jaebird (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.02.07 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 22.03.18 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A82AF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.03.29 # PaulPosition: link sent... 22.04.01 # pixelma - owww... I think I may have a fake email adress in mirc (:blushes:)... 22.04.30 # nope - check you pm... 22.04.37 # *your 22.04.46 # yeah just seen... wait a second :) 22.06.12 Join mathgl [0] (n=mathgl@shm67-4-82-242-213-244.fbx.proxad.net) 22.11.55 Quit markun (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.12.51 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 22.14.45 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.28 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 22.16.30 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 22.17.11 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 22.17.47 Join tucoz [0] (i=528676e7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bcbf52b9e5fffe81) 22.18.05 # n1s: thanks for fixing that :) 22.19.00 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 22.19.22 # i wonder how i could have messed that up. Maybe i wrote those that in a hurry 22.19.32 # s/those/ 22.19.46 # tucoz: np, rasher reported it in the tracker, yes the Long Down is on the line above in the keymap.c file 22.19.55 Quit rretzbach ("WeeChat 0.2.2-cvs") 22.20.09 # aha 22.20.10 # * n1s tried the Morse mode for the first time ever today :-) 22.20.34 # it´s quite fun, but i write stuff on the iriver to ever learn to use it 22.20.38 # to seldom 22.20.41 # too 22.21.02 # * tucoz can not type 22.21.11 # try morse code then ;) 22.21.15 # hehe 22.21.32 # heh, most stuff I know about rockbox is because I had to try it out to write about it, I don't actually use most features :-) 22.22.44 # i guess each feature has its own crowd of users 22.23.21 # except some, *caugh* disk poweroff disabled *caugh* :-P 22.23.42 # did you commit that? 22.23.52 # No, I don't dare 22.24.09 # you should, ask amiconn for his blessing :) 22.24.41 # It seems the jury is still out on wether it should go in or not and the jury doesn't come back unless you nag it... 22.25.07 # n1s - Patching myself a new build for H10... flyspray number and I'm off to download. ;) 22.25.28 # 6421 22.25.33 # (I'll try to do a compare of battery benches, like tonight or tomorrow..) 22.25.35 # thanks. :) 22.26.04 # nice, thanks, I've done one test on my h300 with the patch but not yet without 22.26.29 # yes, maybe I should do what preglow suggested and commit it with a "fix typo" message :-D 22.26.46 # hehe, good idea 22.26.57 # n1s - One question.. Does it decrease the config_block_version (ie, is there still a setting for poweroff or not anymore) ? 22.27.08 # does your patch remove the option? 22.27.25 # yes, it increases config block and the setting should be gone. 22.28.02 # Disk poweroff isn't implemented on any pp target 22.28.09 # tucoz: yes 22.28.18 # We simply don't know how to switch hd power 22.28.18 # amiconn: I think it is on h10 22.28.23 # oh? 22.28.28 # * amiconn didn't expect that 22.28.48 # hmm 22.28.50 # some users experienced crashes though 22.28.54 # * idnar ponders X5 battery life 22.29.19 # Amiconn - interresting.. So whether I set it on or off in the options it actually didn't change a thing? 22.29.50 # The option is there? Then it's most probably implemented 22.30.00 # PaulPosition: I think it does on the H10, shouldn't be in otherwise, but it would be best to ask barrywardell 22.30.06 # The option should really default to enabled imho 22.30.27 # We should also dig for disk poweroff on the ipods... 22.30.29 # yep. i can not see why it shouldn´t 22.30.38 # so amiconn do you think the option should be kept? 22.30.45 # Hehe... I've set the option 'on' on every dailybuild for the last two weeks so I'd suppose if it's disabled it at least doesn't break anything. :p 22.31.21 # I'm not sure. From my usage I'd say the option should go, but there might be users who prefer the slightly faster spinup 22.31.21 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 22.31.25 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-73-191.dslaccess.co.uk) 22.31.56 # true, but we have yet to find this user 22.32.58 # he/her will show up the moment the option is removed :) 22.33.00 # amiconn: disk poweroff is enabled on the H10 using GPIO 22.33.13 # barrywardell: Did it save a noticable amount of power? 22.33.20 # yes 22.33.26 # i have a graph somewhere 22.33.34 # so what is the policy on how large percentage of users wanting an option versus rockbox including it? 22.33.42 # then it _should_ be defaulted to on 22.34.13 # linuxstb: Provided that (standard) ipods and irivers use the same disk type, I would expect a similar effect on runtime 22.34.33 # maybe a poll in the forums "do you _knowingly_ set disk power off to off?" 22.34.41 # * n1s shrugs 22.34.49 # well, maybe not a huge amount. about 10% or so 22.34.50 # http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/benchmark.png 22.35.03 # n1s: do you remember when Linus removed the arrow file selector? 22.35.33 # tucoz: no, was it fun :-) 22.35.47 # * linuxstb hides 22.35.48 # i thought no-one used that, especially not on h1xx´s. But they did show up the moment the option was removed. 22.35.53 # it's not all that easy to see from the graph, but there was a definite increase in battery life 22.36.22 # He had to put it back again :) 22.36.57 # tucoz: so the only way to find out if anyone uses an option is to remove it and see if anyone complains? sounds like fu :-) 22.36.59 # n 22.37.12 Quit nudelyn ("Hammer of Dawn is offline.") 22.37.12 # i guess 22.38.49 # lol... I thought I understood config block number, but now I don't anymore.. Each time I apply a patch that uses settings I need to increase it. Then comes a patch that *removes* settings and still, one needs to advance it. :p 22.39.15 # It's not that I don't like options but I think we should take care to have options for things that people really like to set to different things, and not too many, cant remember now but I think Jdgordon said there are about 80 options or so... 22.39.16 # Anything that changes the location (or meaning) of bits in the config sector requires a bump in the version number. 22.39.30 # ooh yeah...choppin down the playback system is fun 22.40.10 # linuxstb - Okay, so it really is a version number.. I thought it was some sort of size limit for a stack or something. (shows how much assuming means sh!t) 22.40.11 # I think some options have historic reasons for being in rockbox still. 22.40.14 # jhMikeS: btw is anyone doing anything to the recording user interface and menu? 22.40.15 # jhMikeS: are you making changes to pcm_playback.c? 22.40.45 # I've suggested it before, but someone should organise a survey where people upload their .cfg files to a website, and we analyse the options people are actually using. 22.41.01 # markun: no, I'll have refinements for coldfire when I get my x5 but basically playback.c 22.41.20 # linuxstb: that is a good idea 22.41.32 # linuxstb: sounds like a good idea and something to do for a script wizard :-) 22.41.35 # n1s: like what? 22.41.38 # jhMikeS: Any plans for splitting playback.c? 22.42.29 # amiconn: depends on what that means. I don't want it aware of direcories or playlists. I just want it given a list of what to play and it does only that 22.42.56 # jhMikeS: like the trigger menu is just wrong :-P and it also shows a setting that is in another place in the recording menu and I think the rest of the menu is messy 22.43.07 # I think WPS should do all playback through the playlist system and the playlist system can tell playback what should be done 22.43.39 # wps isn't always running 22.43.43 # n1s: yes, was looking at that. One problem also is recording has no provision for atomic split and pause which it needs 22.43.44 # ...during playback 22.44.01 Quit yossa_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.44.04 # put playlist are, right? 22.44.07 # but' 22.44.19 # 'k I'll leave it for someone that actually uses recording 22.44.40 # * linuxstb spots a "HDD Power Off" GPIO pin documented in the IPL wiki for G1-G3 ipods... http://www.ipodlinux.org/GPIO 22.44.50 # yay 22.45.12 # I'm more thinking about the fact that playback.c contains both the playback engine itself and other things like voice 22.45.15 # too bad it´s only g1-g3 22.45.23 # that will give the 3g user better battery for sure :-P 22.45.57 # ^^user :) 22.46.07 # * amiconn wonders what's up with his recorder's batteries :( 22.46.09 # amiconn: I see playback and voice as too intimately tied together to split them at this point. The pcm buffer design doesn't really allow it. 22.46.26 # Then the pcm buffer needs redesigning 22.46.28 # n1s - Can't apply your patch... Or rather, can't build. line 420, struct user_settings has no member named disk_poweroff... 22.46.29 # nor does having swapping 22.46.58 # n1s - But then again, I applied many patches.. I'll try again from a fresh cvs tonight when I'm back.. :) 22.47.01 Part tucoz ("night") 22.47.03 # The swapping will go away, hopefully soon 22.47.05 # amiconn: that's why I'm pondering the mixing board style with independent channels but want to be careful and organized about it 22.47.45 # It's a matter of changing to per-target voice files, but this requires some more preparation 22.47.59 # (e.g. a slighlty extended voice file format) 22.48.22 # ...and I don't want to change formats more often than necessary. Blind users certainly wouldn't like that 22.48.46 # I am pondering a change of our current target id 22.48.51 # I think the format requirements should be tight 22.48.57 # (used e.g. in the plugin and codec loaders) 22.49.20 # ...from the current plain number to a 4-letter combination 22.49.34 # Same as the one in the binary? 22.50.31 # All binary files which need to be per target could then use this id (plugins, codecs, voice files, .lng files ...) 22.51.34 # Sounds sensible to me. 22.51.42 # So you'd use 'iax5' or the like the firmware? 22.51.55 # Yes, something like this 22.52.13 # Maybe they should all be badged the same for a port? :\ 22.52.23 # yes 22.52.42 # One universal binary id per target 22.55.48 # PaulPosition: the only hunk that failed for me was the config block number, either increase yourself, reset settings manually or download the new synced patch i just put in the tracker. 22.55.50 # What about x5 vs. x5v and such? The firmware is branded differently there. Maybe a subtype id that the bootloader fills in? Other code can just check a number then and forget calling things like radio_hardware_present 22.56.50 # radio_hardware_present() has to stay anyway (not necessarily for all targets perhaps) 22.57.10 # n1s - Yeah, I updated the config block version number but it wouldn't compile.. As I said, I'm gonna try again tonight when I'm back from playing my biweekly 'palladium rift pen and dice game'.. :p 22.57.13 # * jhMikeS just made the audio init info a single function call and save over 1KB 22.57.24 # (am I a geek? I am a geek.) 22.57.40 Join fr0y0 [0] (n=fr0y0@pD9588EA9.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.57.52 # are there any tricks I can use to increase my battery life? 22.58.44 # * jhMikeS wonders whoever said that because you create a message queue the thread has to exist immediately 22.58.51 # idnar - Disk poweroff option is a start... 22.59.17 # set it to dim the lights more quickly 22.59.26 # is there a way to get my ipod to stop restarting if i don't have it playing music constantly (it's plugged in) 22.59.46 # restarting? 22.59.57 # yeah... 23.00.04 # describe specifically? 23.00.23 # hey, i need some help on my 1st gen nano. been using rockbox for quite some time now, but since yesterday it starts making problems (not even sure if its rockbox' fault tho). i cant turn the player on. hold is off and i also tried holding select+menu for 10+ secs but it wont work. 23.00.24 # if i pause the music, and then leave it alone for about 5 minutes, it'll restart and i'll have to go re-do the cpu-scaling and turn shuffle on again 23.00.25 # maquis: I think you are low on power, recharge it 23.00.35 # banan_: i'm plugged in and have been for the entire day 23.00.40 Quit Ribs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.00.42 # battery is at full 23.00.45 # do you have rockbox running? 23.00.53 # i've NEVER had to turn shuffle back on 23.00.58 # when i connect it to a USB-port it starts booting but seems to be in some kind of endless loop. keeps getting on and off. 23.01.12 # Falco98: yes... i'm using rockbox 23.01.57 # and shuffle-mode is reset when you power off and back on? or only if you let it auto-poweroff 23.02.24 # only if it auto-poweroffs... or if it's been off for a day or two and then i turn it back on 23.03.10 # maybe that's something the ipod port does, but on my iriver i never lose my settings unless i overwrite my config file 23.03.51 # i've tried creating my own config file, but it never gets used... even when i tell it specifically to load that config 23.04.33 # weird 23.04.45 # i'm going to have to play around a bit more with it, and maybe dig into some code, but i was wondering if this was something others had run into and had a quick fix for 23.04.49 # anyone in here know any more about ipods? i'm curious now 23.05.07 # haha, okay nevermind. had it plugged in a few minutes now and it works. im sure that battery was full tho :o 23.05.09 # maquis: Try disabling the idle poweroff option. But I wouldn't have thought you would have needed that - what ipod do you have? 23.05.11 # how recently have you updated your build? 23.05.24 # * dan_a spots linuxstb spotting things about the 3G 23.05.27 # linuxstb: ah there you are :-P i had a question for you 23.05.30 # linuxstb: it's a mini 1g 23.05.36 # maquis: Also, are you charging via firewire or USB? 23.05.41 Quit fr0y0 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.05.51 # Falco98: it's a build from about 1-2 weeks ago... i was going to update last night and didn't get around to it 23.06.04 # OK, there are no developers with a mini 1g... So welcome aboard. 23.06.06 # linuxstb: the power-plug, which is firewire, i believe 23.06.35 # Do you get a "power" or "charging" icon appear in Rockbox when you plug it in? 23.06.54 # linuxstb: cool... i don't know how much time i'll have for development for now, but i have plenty of time to use it.. 23.07.06 # linuxstb: i haven't noticed one... 23.07.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.07.35 # nope 23.07.43 # Then Rockbox probably isn't detecting your charger, meaning it will power-down according to your idle-poweroff setting. But ipods need to be on to charge, so it will then immediately reboot.... 23.07.44 # nothing on the wps changes when i unplug and replug 23.07.45 Join yossa [0] (n=chatzill@chello081018216139.chello.pl) 23.08.10 # ah... if i get a chance, i'll see about why that's happening one of these evenings, then 23.08.18 # Does your WPS have the standard status bar? i.e. the same as the menus and file browser? 23.08.42 # yeah 23.08.51 # i'm using the default wps still, i believe 23.09.28 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 23.10.20 # linuxstb: i'll turn off idle poweroff for now, and see if i can get around to looking deeper into it sometime... 23.11.48 # PaulPosition: would that help if I'm playing music non-stop? 23.12.53 # with any luck, after christmas, i might have a video to play with too... :) 23.13.45 # idnar - Actually, I'm not even sure every target support the option (if it's there it works) but yeah, if I am not mistaken, there's enough of memory in those devices to buffer up a few songs and then power the disk off.. Unless you're one to skip, skip, skip... Maybe someone else would know better though. 23.14.01 # PaulPosition: oh, interesting 23.14.10 # PaulPosition: didn't realise they had nearly that much RAM 23.14.22 # I'm pretty sure I spotted the option somewhere 23.14.58 # yeah, Disk Spindown and Disk Poweroff 23.15.42 # the info page is only estimating about 6h playtime, unfortunately 23.16.03 # did anyone ever notice that if you press the previous song button just the right time, it would just show the previous on the display, but actually play the next one? 23.16.32 # otoh, the battery percentage is fluctuating, so I'm not sure the estimate is particularly accurate 23.16.40 # (for example, it has climbed from 95% to 98% in the last 30 seconds :P) 23.17.12 # idnar - idnar, yes.. That's a portalplayer based device you use, right? (ie, iRiver H10 or iPod)? There's a LOT more to be found out about those. 23.17.20 # PaulPosition: iAudio X5 23.17.26 # idnar - ahh.. duh. :p 23.17.49 # anyhow, I'm driving for about 14 hours this weekend, and I plan to have my iAudio keep my company in the car for as long as it lasts 23.18.15 # I've just got a standalone FM adapter atm; there is a combo charger/FM adapter, but I haven't shelled out for it yet 23.18.28 Join muesli [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 23.19.02 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.19.46 # SUSaiyan: please report in the tracker with as much details on how to reproduce as possible. 23.21.01 # SUSaiyan: What is "the right time"? There are known issues if you try to seek during the last couple of seconds of a track (because Rockbox has already moved on and is decoding the next track) 23.21.19 # yes, that is the right time 23.21.54 # linuxstb: what is the status of the ability to install Rockbox _instead_ of the AppleOS? I don't see any mention of it in your new forum thread or http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta . 23.22.18 # Soap: Just use -wf for writing the bootloader 23.22.24 # ...instead of -a 23.22.30 # Soap: I didn't want to clutter that thread or wiki page. But it should work. I'll try and document ipodpatcher in a wiki page at some point. 23.22.34 # PaulPosition: anyhow, thanks 23.23.12 # amiconn: so if I use -wf instead of -a it will will write the bootloader only instead of the bootloader and Apple OS? 23.23.36 # amiconn: Am I right in thinking a standard Rockbox build only supports FAT32 on the ipods? i.e. FAT12/FAT16 will fail to mount? 23.23.42 # Yes 23.23.57 # FAT12 will always fail, it's completely unsupported 23.24.00 # and how would I reboot into apple OS if I wanted to? place the extracted file (appleos.bin) in my root directory? 23.24.16 # FAT12 is a bitch, fat entries spanning the sector boundary... 23.24.28 # amiconn: OK, that could explain a problem someone is having in the forums. (a Linux user, who may have forgotten -F32 with mkdosfs) 23.24.39 # That's possible 23.24.54 # But on a >2GB disk, you need fat32 anyway 23.25.24 # Soap: If you're going to -wf, you can also -wf rockbox.ipod instead of the bootloader, and boot times into Rockbox will be faster, though there will be no option to boot the original firmware. As well, the backlight has a small glitch like that. 23.25.24 # It is possible to create FAT16 partitions with cluster sizes >32KB, but these are out of specs 23.25.25 # barrywardell: me likes 6455! 23.25.33 # it's a start 23.25.41 # a lot more to go! 23.25.41 # Hmm... My mkdosfs manpage says "Specifies the type of file allocation tables used (12, 16 or 32 bit). If nothing is specified, mkdosfs will automatically select between 12 and 16 bit, whatever fits better for the filesystem size. 32 bit FAT (FAT32 format) must (still) be selected explicitly if you want it." 23.25.45 # :-) 23.25.48 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.26.08 # linuxstb: It's likely that the manpage is wrong 23.26.18 # needs testing on ipods (hint hint) 23.26.22 # For me, mkdosfs created a fat32 partition by default 23.26.39 # That was when testing large sectors, on a 10GB HD 23.26.44 # linuxstb: I've just tried the new ipodpatcher.exe with the 3g. It didn't find it :( 23.26.47 # *large virtual sectors 23.26.52 Join tehsmo [0] (n=whyrph@tysonyo.resnet.mtu.edu) 23.26.57 # dan_a: Ah.... 23.27.00 # linuxstb: so its a known problem? 23.27.06 # dan_a: Did it have its original bootpartition? 23.27.15 # also, sorry for being so vague, i was doing multiple things at once 23.27.30 # dan_a: I think I omitted support for "verson 2" firmware partitions.... 23.27.46 # dan_a and linuxstb might be interested in 6455 too 23.27.48 # Llorean: Ah, that might be why it doesn't find it - I was going to use it to put the original partition back 23.28.26 # dan_a: No, I think it's my fault - the 3g has a slightly different firmware partition layout, and ipodpatcher doesn't look for it. I'll try and fix. (I think I have a copy of a 3g partition...) 23.28.36 # when you press previous song just before it switches to the next one, it shows the info about the song that should be playing, but it just starts playing the next one 23.28.37 Quit Arathis (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.28.47 # barrywardell: What does the patch do? i.e. how can I test? 23.29.18 # not a huge amount. gathers all pp usb drivers into one driver 23.29.20 # The description reads like the patch doesn't do anything from the user's perspective yet, but is rather a template for beginning work? 23.29.20 # also, its convinced its playing the right song, so even if you do press back a couple of times more it still refuses to play the song you were listening to before 23.29.30 # and defines hw registers for usb 23.30.07 # usb_detect should work, but rebooting when usb is connected is defined out 23.30.39 # Llorean: exactly 23.31.26 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp187-141.adsl.forthnet.gr) 23.31.57 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.33.07 Join terriblyinept [0] (n=energy_O@74-130-3-62.dhcp.insightbb.com) 23.33.36 # gtg 23.34.12 # SUSaiyan: Yes, that's a well-known problem. It's in the patch tracker (and has been for a long time). 23.34.19 # s/patch/bug/ 23.34.28 # so why doesnt anyone fix it :/ 23.35.06 # barrywardell: Seems to work fine on my Color. 23.35.28 # SUSaiyan: Feel free to fix it then. 23.35.45 # SUSaiyan - maybe because it would break other things and none went through the end of the puzzle..? 23.36.18 # okay ill go add it to my to do list for next week .. 23.36.22 # ;) 23.36.58 # barrywardell: I've tested http://pastebin.ca/283784 on the 3G - it boots both Apple and Rockbox FW perfectly 23.38.36 Quit PaulPosition ("off to geekfest. Rolled the dice and doh! killed the princess and kissed the dragon.") 23.42.33 Part terriblyinept 23.43.12 Quit barrywardell (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.45.15 Quit banan_ (Remote closed the connection) 23.46.23 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 23.47.19 Quit midkay_ ("*poff*") 23.49.53 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.52.30 Join DerPhil [0] (n=derphil@p57B474D8.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.52.40 # hi someone out there providing some quick help? 23.52.47 # or whatever you'd call it 23.53.00 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.53.03 # You have 10 seconds, then the quick help expires 23.53.09 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.53.15 # i just installed rockbox on my ipod 5.5gen and nowmy ipod only shows "Loading Rockbox" 23.53.15 # 5 23.53.17 # 4 23.53.17 # Hehehe 23.53.19 # what should i do? 23.53.19 # ^^ 23.53.29 # papst hilf du mir :'( 23.53.34 # hehe 23.53.42 # DerPhil: What does it say for Result: ? 23.53.51 # result?! 23.53.58 # i don't have any experiences with rockbox. sorry 23.54.04 # TOSHIBA MK3008GAL 23.54.09 # No partition found 23.54.16 # Is it an 80GB? 23.54.17 # Partition 1: 0x0B 7130 MB 23.54.21 # no, 30 23.54.27 # Loading Rockbox... 23.54.31 # and then it stops 23.54.44 # DerPhil: did you follow the instructions from here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta . 23.55.04 # oh cmon 23.55.21 # i thought 5.5 was supported like the website says... 23.55.29 # no i used the normal ipod video manual 23.55.29 # :'( 23.55.42 # The manual hasn't been updated... 23.55.42 # use this one 23.55.54 # it should work 23.55.54 # * linuxstb goes to put a warning in the manual install page 23.56.45 # thx