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PM for more details :) 13.32.43 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-107-072.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.35.12 # nvm 13.35.14 Quit sureWN () 13.35.59 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 13.39.54 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@rexanker.bcnadsl.com) 13.43.12 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 13.47.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.55.44 Quit GodEater (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 14.04.19 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 14.09.46 # does anyone tihnk fs 6022 can be closed? seen as there isnt really any way to speed up folder deletion so its as good as its goin to get? 14.11.35 Join cd_rom_for_free [0] (i=HydraIRC@user-514f7fd0.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk) 14.14.07 # hi, i tried rockbox on my X5L, and now i have a green line in the center of screen... :( 14.14.47 # rollback to original firmware don't solve the probleme. 14.15.21 # anybody have an idea ? 14.18.02 # i doubt this is a software problem then 14.18.27 # :( ... it's happen when i change rockbox theme 14.18.47 # and it's a new player 14.18.57 # i have no real clue, but i still guess its hardware error 14.20.12 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve 14.22.21 # it's sure a bad use of the lcd can't do that ? 14.22.58 # i did not develope rockbox, but i still doubt that 14.23.13 # anybody knows any good progs like itunes but allow me to transfer ogg files to ipod nano? 14.24.05 # cd_rom_for_free: im assming you have rockbox installed... just copy them onto it in exporer... 14.26.27 # yep, i do have rockbox installed in my ipod 14.26.46 # i found out rockbox yesterday and spent the evening tinkering with it! 14.26.49 # it's very cool! 14.27.06 # and your still using itunes? 14.27.06 # * Nibbier wished to have a mp3player again :| 14.27.23 # what rockbox device would you recommend? 14.27.25 # "just copy them onto it in exporer..." you mean copy ogg files directly to ipod? 14.27.30 # yes 14.27.38 # JdGordon: yes 14.27.50 # im converting all my mp3 to ogg now! 14.27.51 # Nibbier: depends what you want.. the x5 is the usual suggestion atm 14.27.53 # almost done :D 14.28.05 # JdGordon, x5 what? ipod? 14.28.16 # Nibbier: iaudio x5 14.28.39 # cd_rom_for_free: going from lossy to lossy codecs makes it sound worse... if you have the cds you shuold re-rip them 14.29.22 # ok, thnaks 14.30.08 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.30.09 # * JdGordon just went through flyspray and found 11 bugs which I'm gonna have a try to fix 14.30.36 # actually 10 bugs and 1 patch 14.30.47 # your setting patch? 14.30.51 # * pixelma runs again 14.31.01 # JdGordon,i do have the cd indeed, most of my music are ripped from cds 14.31.05 # but it takes ages! 14.31.39 # :S 14.31.48 # im not sure if i like to re-rip it 14.31.53 # pixelma: haha, yeah, and that one 14.32.08 # rekon i'll get in trouble if i commit it as is? :p 14.32.09 # lemme give it a try after see any differences! 14.32.24 # cd_rom_for_free: you'll hear the difference.. not see it 14.32.25 # if you aren't going to rerip, why MP3->OGG? 14.32.29 # If you have enough hd storage capacity, it's a good idea to rip once into a lossless format (e.g. FLAC). 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Merry Christmas to you guys! 14.56.10 Quit cd_rom_for_free (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 14.56.39 # ah i found some way to go in disk mode 14.56.45 # google is my Xmas gift :p 15.02.28 # hey can some1 talk me though that scripting thing to voice my iriver? 15.02.32 # Bagder: The commit notification script throws errors.... 15.07.27 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 15.07.45 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.12.22 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 15.17.39 # hum rockbox error -1:) 15.18.01 # is there any "stable" release btw ? 15.18.02 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.76 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 15.18.54 # stable realses for anchos only 15.19.52 Quit FOAD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.21.26 # -1 = you don't have the firmware on your player, only the bootloader. 15.21.58 # i had that b4 once 15.22.04 # n i had the firmware on my player 15.22.10 # i just delted the .rockbox n 15.22.16 # re extracted it 15.22.16 # n it worked 15.23.12 # Soap: thanks ;) 15.23.35 # * gonnet had illread the doc 15.25.21 # hey with the voice files creater scrip how long should it take for a 4gb machine? 15.26.58 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A80923.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.27.45 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 15.29.16 Quit Tommmo ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 15.31.22 Part pixelma 15.47.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.54.09 Quit linuxboy (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.54.25 Join linuxboy [0] (n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net) 15.59.19 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 15.59.21 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.03.04 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 16.03.55 Join amar [0] (n=amar@host81-156-29-227.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 16.05.09 # hope someperple are here 16.05.11 # how do you shutdown a frozen nano 16.05.43 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 16.06.01 # amar: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61584 ? 16.06.42 # thanks 16.07.04 # but rockbox was running and it compleatly locked up 16.07.10 # the screen is still on 16.09.54 # press and hold down Menu+Select 16.10.25 # thanks that worked 16.10.47 Join cacaprout [0] (n=chatzill@lns-bzn-47f-62-147-133-191.adsl.proxad.net) 16.11.12 Nick cacaprout is now known as A_SN (n=chatzill@lns-bzn-47f-62-147-133-191.adsl.proxad.net) 16.12.02 # Hi, is this the appropriate place for a frustrated noob to complain that he can't go back to the Apple firmware or mount his iPod to Windows anymore? 16.15.42 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@wbs-41-208-192-77.wbs.co.za) 16.16.01 # only if said noob describes in detail not only the sysmtoms, but what actions noob has taken. 16.20.21 # ive had many rants today but my sister was happy to let me put rockbox on her nano 16.20.44 # good, so, i followed the install instructions, copied the .ipod file and the .rockbox folder to the root of the iPod, then the fonts, backed up the original fw, installed the new one, ejected and rebooted, so far everything worked fine 16.21.21 # and now when i try to reboot into the original fw by turning on HOLD while it's booting it says loading old firmware and then reboots and reboots in a loop 16.21.45 # and windows doesn't mount it anymore nor does ipodpatcher --scan recognize anything 16.21.59 # i got it plugged in firewire btw 16.25.53 # A_SN: I don't have an iPod but AFAICS to your problems: 1) the bootloader now has changed 2) firewire is not supported on Rockbox 16.26.12 # someone more knowledgable on iPods can answer you in detail 16.27.11 # ok thanks, i'll try with USB 16.31.10 # A_SN: What install instructions did you follow? And I assume you have a 30 gig brand new iPod? 16.31.29 # nope, 20 GB 4th gen (grayscale) 16.31.39 # so I followed these http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray-20061222.pdf 16.33.26 # anyways, works, thanks for help! 16.33.30 Quit A_SN ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]") 16.37.10 # ::shakefist:: recording doesn't compile without priority scheduling *fixes* *don't want no priority scheduling* 16.38.02 # oh, so you got original firmware to work again? 16.39.07 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F297F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.41.59 Quit x1jmp (Client Quit) 16.47.04 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 16.47.10 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F297F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.02.38 Join Doraemon [0] (i=doraemon@unaffiliated/doraemon) 17.03.36 # Merry Christmas everyone, I had a question about an error I'm getting with the ipodpatcher binary on OS 10.4.8 (PPC) 17.05.20 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.08.12 # Nevermind, user error! ;) Sorry to inconvenience the channel, keep up the good work on an awesome product. 17.10.13 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 17.10.45 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host181-207-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 17.11.56 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.13.31 Part Doraemon 17.14.35 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 17.17.29 Join ydo [0] (i=tbe@debian.as) 17.20.00 # I just installed rockbox, but it says error: -1 at startup and the original gui boots instead, I can't see a log file.. is there any? 17.20.35 # this is on an ipod nano and I'm pretty sure its a 1st gen 17.21.19 # anyone around? 17.24.02 Quit Soap (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.29.14 # hooray! it works! :) and the plasma is smooth which it is not on my friends iriver 17.29.31 # merry xmas all! 17.32.34 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-24-175-97-250.houston.res.rr.com) 17.37.11 # indeed 17.37.14 # * tehsmo got an ipod video :) 17.39.33 # so, if I add songs with gnupod, will rockbox's database be able to find them nicely? I assume so 17.39.59 # If the files are on the disk and have the proper extension, Rockbox's database can find them. 17.40.13 # cool 17.40.22 # I'll add stuff with gnupod for now, then 17.40.55 # Many people just drag 'n drop 17.41.04 # * tehsmo prefers perl scripts. :) 17.41.31 # but anyway, what's the right location for the ipod 5g install instructions? I recall somebody saying the manual was out of date 17.43.50 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 17.43.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 17.44.08 # A much easier to follow, and more reliable install 17.45.43 # cool, thanks 17.47.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.49.48 Join ASiDIE [0] (i=HydraIRC@c-67-176-109-163.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 17.50.01 # hey all 17.54.18 Join TonySleep [0] (n=rollinth@dsl-69-50-50-222.pivot.net) 17.55.45 Join cd_rom_for_free [0] (i=HydraIRC@user-54448313.lns5-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk) 17.57.17 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 17.57.41 # hi, is anyone with access to the sf.net project here? 17.57.57 # a patch was supposedly sent to it... 17.59.17 # A patch? 17.59.25 # I have no idea 18.00.38 # "emailed it to their tracker" 18.02.41 # hcs: If you try to go to sourceforge's project page for Rockbox, you can't see the tracker page, so I'm not sure what they think they've done. 18.05.16 Part TonySleep 18.06.05 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 18.06.14 Join Carlos33 [0] (i=carlosec@190.48.194.213) 18.06.38 Nick Carlos33 is now known as Taylor (i=carlosec@190.48.194.213) 18.06.47 # hello everyone 18.07.52 # Llorean: that is interesting. I'm trying to think of a way to definitively test that the COP is running code... probably a plugin that runs a fixed number of iterations on each core simultaneously and reports the execution time. 18.08.25 # can you red me? 18.08.42 # can you read me?, sorry 18.08.46 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 18.08.47 # lostlogic: In theory, the counter test was supposed to not yield, which means that if it were happening on the main core the screen wouldn't be able to update to show the counter results. 18.09.08 # But I didn't look to see if that's how it was actually set up 18.09.38 # Taylor: yes 18.09.50 # Llorean: ahhh 18.09.58 # Llorean: I missed that part of the program. 18.10.12 # ok, thank you 18.10.22 # lostlogic: I'm not sure if it's doing that, that was just what was suggested as a means of testing it beforehand. I never looked to see if that was how it got implemented. 18.10.29 # then I can't see why the boost ratio and battery life would be so close w/ and w/o the patch 18.10.44 Join Vyrus001 [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-69-231-87-36.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 18.11.32 # yeah, it doesn't yield 18.11.39 # so if the screen updates, it ... wtf. 18.11.50 # lostlogic: As long as it is being done on the second core, it would mean that prior to that the second core wasn't properly disabled and was still drawing power, wouldn't it? 18.11.53 # someone of Buenos Aires? 18.12.45 # Llorean: yeah, that seems to be clear, but it still doesn't explain why the boost ratio would be just as high with the codec thread on COP as with it on the CPU 18.13.08 Part Taylor 18.13.21 # Llorean: lemme try playing audio while running the counter. 18.13.54 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 18.13.56 # lostlogic: Well, the UI still slows the heck down if you enable things like equalizer, crossfeed, and dithering all at once, maybe the codec thread itself is somewhat minimal? 18.14.24 # Llorean: naw, the codec thread is where all of those things are executed, so if codec is on the COP so are those 18.14.37 # Well, then they shouldn't be able to slow down the UI should they? 18.14.42 # right 18.15.11 # Buuuut, the real question is "Is the current COP patch really offloading the codec thread properly?" 18.15.38 # yah, but the codec thread is started the same way the counter thread is, so 18.15.40 # * lostlogic confused 18.16.36 # I am too. 18.16.52 # It could still be doing the "executing on both cores" thing, though 18.20.01 # yeah 18.21.07 # is this just me or explorer? it doesn't display tag for ogg files format 18.21.34 # Explorer doesn't naturally, I think 18.21.58 Join Dave [0] (n=chatzill@user-514fdcd1.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) 18.21.59 # Llorean: do you know any prog like itunes but support ogg? 18.22.05 # hi 18.22.13 # cd_rom_for_free: MediaMonkey is popular. 18.22.18 # haha 18.22.28 # i just look into forum and hit that thread 18.22.40 # thankx! 18.23.23 # i was wondering if someone could guide me to the ipod video bootloaders 18.23.40 # the link in the installation (html) files doesn't work 18.23.55 # Dave: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 18.24.00 # New instructions too 18.25.17 # thanks mate 18.25.44 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 18.32.41 Quit cd_rom_for_free (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 18.33.15 # i have just installed rockbox on my ipod, to start it up using the rockbox do i just reboot my ipod? 18.33.45 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p549313F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.33.51 # nvm 18.35.28 Nick DreamThief|off is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A80923.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.39.59 # this sounds silly but how do i play music? 18.40.13 # Click on the files? 18.40.23 # Llorean: ... ok, so the counter seems to run and music play at the same time... which if both are on the COP is impossible 18.40.28 # so codec thread clearly not on COP ... wtf 18.41.06 # i click the rockbox and it shows the logo and nothing else happens. i habe checked through the menus but can't fins any music file lists 18.41.27 # Dave: Clicking the rockbox file just reloads Rockbox. Apparently you haven't read the manual? 18.41.59 # reading it now but not really understanding it. 18.43.34 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.43.48 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54985282.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.47.24 # i can't find the file browser. 18.47.37 # it says in the instructions - After you have first started the player you’ll be presented by the File Browser. With the default settings only supported files are shown. Rockbox’ default view is the File Browser, similar to Windows’ Explorer. If you don’t have audio files on your player, or created folders you will only see a blank screen with the statusbar at the top. If this is your... 18.47.38 # ...case, now is a good time to connect your player to a computer and transfer some audio files to it. 18.48.24 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 18.48.44 # but i just get 5 menu buttons for the calendars, contacts, notes, photos and rockbox. i notice when you click menu on the ipod it shows the settings but i can't see any file browser. 18.51.00 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.54.42 # Those are not menu buttons 18.54.43 # Those are folders 18.54.50 # By "presented with" it means "you're lookin' at it." 18.58.15 Join webguest38 [0] (i=54997801@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-995839b5f75fbdde) 18.59.02 # been using rockbox for an hour now, I already love it! :) 18.59.37 # the GP2X console runs two arm 920 cpu's nad it's open source, perhaps this can be a source for arm info ? 18.59.42 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96BED.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.02.28 # webguest38: The problem on the ARM based targets it not ARM itself as an architecture, but the various system-on-a-chips such as PortalPlayer which include a bunch of extra hardware 19.03.34 # ah i see, thanks 19.05.23 Quit Dave ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 19.05.46 Part webguest38 19.05.56 Join gotthardt [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-21-40-208.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 19.12.39 Part Llorean 19.13.05 # is there any guide to get going developing plugins? 19.17.24 # I tried to run ../tools/configure as stated but I couldn't choose ipod as target platform.. 19.21.53 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.163.130) 19.36.55 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 19.40.28 # lostlogic: i agree with your conclusion that we're lockstepping the cores 19.41.27 # barrywardell: I noticed that the cop_counter counts and music plays at the same time 19.41.37 # which means that cop_counter is on the cop but codec is not 19.41.51 # yes, i read that in the logs 19.42.02 # it seems certain at least that cop_counter is running on the cop 19.42.17 # yeah. 19.42.21 # so at least we know that creating threads on the cop works 19.42.37 # yeah 19.42.54 # but why does the codec thread not run on it 19.42.59 # it seems like we start them both in the same way 19.43.59 # yes, in fact i based the counter code off how the codec code does things! 19.44.26 # can somebody help me? I've built a simulator in X11 and the sim works but it need the .rockbox directory, how do I get one of these for elf-386? 19.45.46 # uh? You built the sim from sources and then went 'make install' ? You should have a .rockbox directory in the /archos folder.. (or did I not get this right) 19.46.04 # I did not do make install, I just make 19.46.36 # ydo - make, yes.. then make install :) 19.47.18 # :) 19.47.26 # the manual is very terse 19.47.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.47.59 # Then you could put some music, text files and such in archos/ (that's the "root of your virtual dap") and whatever themes you want to test in archos/.rockbox/[folder name].. 19.48.37 # I'd like to develope a cooler cube-plugin :) 19.53.22 # ydo - Cooler? Different colours? A shape that morph? (not a big fan of the 'demo' plugins but curious anyway.. :) ) 19.53.41 # other shapes, shading 19.53.50 Join dan_a_ [0] (n=dan-mirc@rexanker.bcnadsl.com) 19.54.41 # Wow, the COP triumvirat is here on christmas day. C'mon guys, take a break (but not too long!) :D 19.55.12 # 'COP triumvirat'? 19.56.27 # ydo - nevermind.. A reference to Barry, Dan and Lostlogic who've been working on getting the second core of PortalPlayer devices working.. They're workaholics as far as I can tell. :p 19.56.38 # (not that I hate that) 19.57.17 # lostlogic: i put a test for CURRENT_CORE==COP inside the while(1) in codec_thread. with COP, the audio playback works. without it doesn't work. i think that reasonably suggests that the codec thread is running on the COP 19.57.42 # (ie. it doesn't work with CURRENT_CORE==CPU) 19.58.15 Quit Cazov ("sdkghdaskgjhatogoiadjgl") 19.58.21 # does anyone know somewhere someone could have sent a patch by mistake? 19.58.42 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.59.58 # hcs: Uh?!? 20.02.17 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 20.04.59 Quit dan_a (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.06.08 # PaulPosition: I'm looking for something that was supposedly "emailed it to their tracker", an spc player for rockbox 20.06.17 # I don't know what tracker this could be 20.06.30 # I know that rockbox supports AAC encoding, but does it support AACPlus v2 encoding? :E 20.06.57 # hcs: Tracker *may* refer to the patch tracker, which you'll find on the left columb of rockbox.org site. 20.07.22 # PaulPosition: yes, I know it well, but it isn't there, and he did specify email 20.07.42 # I haven't been able to ask him about it since 20.08.04 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@rexanker.bcnadsl.com) 20.08.06 # hcs - Ah, I understand what you mean.. Maybe he meant emailed to the dev mailing list, because I don't think you can mail the tracker anyway. 20.08.24 # * dan_a curses wireless networks 20.08.31 # I'd considered that, but I don't see any posts on the mailing list about it 20.08.44 # hcs - Sorry then, ran short of imagination. 20.09.15 # he uses sourceforge for releasing other stuff, so I thought he might have sent it to the sf project somehow 20.11.34 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 20.12.01 # * zylche pokes the channel 20.13.54 Join _DreamThief [0] (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.15.01 Quit dan_a_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.15.28 Quit DreamThief (Nick collision from services.) 20.15.43 Nick _DreamThief is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.17.19 # so how do i "make my database ready" ? 20.17.33 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.20.23 # Vyrus - The manual should tell you but I'm unsure if it indeed does.. You need to initialize the DB through the settings menu, let it run a few good minutes and then *reboot* the device. On booting up it should say that it's 'committing the database'.. You're done. 20.22.14 # thanx PaulPosition :D 20.22.24 # your wlecome. 20.22.45 # yea i just got an iaudo :D 20.22.49 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 20.22.51 # rock box was the first thing i put on it :D 20.23.09 # still workng on getting it to list my stuff by id3 tags 20.23.16 # at the moment its not showing all my audio :( 20.23.16 # Llorean: any chance he could have sent it to sf's tracker by email? 20.23.57 # hcs: I do not know. Why not just tell the person to post the patch to the proper place? 20.24.07 # because he is hard to get hold of 20.24.19 # lostlogic, barrywardell: Is it possible that the codec thread is waiting on something from a different thread, so it is being forced to lockstep? One way to be sure it is running on the COP is to do COP_CTL = PROC_SLEEP somewhere, which should sleep the coprocessor so stop the codec thread - although the COP might get woken by timer interrupts. 20.24.37 # lostlogic: Question about your recent commits: How do they affect single-core targets? Isn't the priority scheduling beneficial in many cases, or supposed to be? 20.25.32 # Llorean: Nice work on the runtime test with the COP patch. Hopefully that shows that when we've got things working properly it will improve battery life 20.25.45 # dan_a: see my latest post to the tracker? i think that confirms that the codec thread is actually running on the COP 20.25.54 # dan_a: The time difference between 90% and 10% was ~3 minutes. 20.26.22 # As in, the difference between with and without COP patch. 20.26.57 Nick Llorean is now known as Llorean_Lunch (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 20.28.07 # barrywardell: I hadn't seen that. That's good news. 20.29.03 # yes,assuming i haven't overlooked something in my logic! 20.29.50 # Hmmm... can anyone think of a way to test what speed the COP is running at? If the COP is running at 24MHz and the main core at 75, would we get these symptoms? 20.31.11 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.33.09 # maybe we can try with frequency scaling disabled? that should run both at 75? 20.35.02 # It's worth a try, but I'm not at all sure how to control the clock for the COP. Oh why oh why didn't Santa bring me the PortalPlayer documentation I asked him for?! 20.35.40 # * ender` yawns 20.39.46 # dan_a: have you seen MrH's clock handling document? it's quite good, but I don't see anything about controlling the cpu and cop separately 20.40.06 Quit gotthardt ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 20.41.12 # I've had a brief look at it, I'll revisit it now we're a lot closer with the Sansa. 20.41.35 # And I should be getting my hands on a 4g iPod too, so I can do tests on that 20.42.37 # I've heard several times that the COP can be clocked slower than the CPU - but I've not seen anything definitive 20.43.32 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@80.232.115.119) 20.45.18 # disabling frequency scaling doesn't make any differece 20.45.26 # Llorean_Lunch: I just allowed compilation without it 20.45.43 # Llorean_Lunch: I personally don't like the priority scheduling behavior so I compile without it and so fix things that break compilation without 20.45.54 # >.> I think Llorean's out to lunch 20.46.01 # yeah, he'll see it later 20.47.09 # dan_a: I don't think that the codec thread really waits for anything from the other threads, it's pretty much the driver 20.48.20 # dan_a: there's also the "automatic" clock switching built into the pp. it's possible that is affecting things. 20.51.05 Nick Llorean_Lunch is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@cpe-24-175-97-250.houston.res.rr.com) 20.52.11 # Yeah, I'm at family's, and we had a big turkey lunch. Now they're all turkey-napping, so I've returned 20.53.01 # Reading "Make recording compile without priority scheduling" I interpreted "make" as "force" rather than "allow" 20.53.53 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.54.30 # ah, I can see the unclarity. 20.54.51 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@87.2.228.137) 20.55.54 # But now I understand. 20.58.18 # Also, is it true that the frequency scaling issue has cleared up on H10s and PP5002 iPods? 20.58.47 # it works fine with my h10 with both the cop patch and cpufreq4 patch applied 21.01.08 # i haven't tested any other combinations 21.02.26 # barrywardell: I think the lockstepping is more likely 21.03.07 Join pill [0] (i=pill@66.252.8.130) 21.03.19 # barrywardell: If I add DSP features like EQ, Crossfeed, and Dithering all at once, the UI slows down a LOT, which shouldn't happen if the UI is on a different core from the codec thread, right? 21.03.58 # yes, i think so. is the cpu waiting on the cop to decode for some reason? 21.06.06 # the bigger question is: how can the audio playback work with the cop_counter patch 21.06.11 # that's what I'm confused by 21.09.00 # Agreed. 21.13.44 # Which thread are the DSP features applied in? 21.15.07 # dan_a: According to lostlogic, the codec thread. 21.18.44 Quit CriamosAndy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.20.38 Join Jeff3 [0] (i=newt@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 21.21.28 # All this dual core stuff confuses me. I only started it because I wanted playback without skipping on my 3g iPod and it looked easier to do that than optimise the codecs! 21.21.38 # lol 21.24.37 # So, if (weirdly enough) I thought it was way cool to fiddle with this embedded programming and hacking stuff, would I rather go and study programmation/computer science or Electronic technologies? 21.25.51 # I'm studying computer science right now 21.25.55 # and I can specialise in embedded systems 21.26.04 # basically doing the software side 21.26.24 # barrywardell: The build you gave me the other day froze on my iPod Color... 21.26.27 # if you want to design the electronics themselves you'll want to become an electronic engineer I guess 21.28.07 # thegeek: Makes a load of sense. Would you learn simple electronics (like designing and using a dev board for testing or such) ? How many years of schooling do you expect (no matter what specialty you chose)? 21.28.13 # thegeek: and thanks. :) 21.28.22 Join [TuX]Nikolai [0] (i=__Nikola@mail.blons.net) 21.28.29 Nick [TuX]Nikolai is now known as Nikolai (i=__Nikola@mail.blons.net) 21.28.35 Nick Nikolai is now known as Nik07 (i=__Nikola@mail.blons.net) 21.28.38 # hi 21.30.04 # linuxstb: So, it still freezes on yours? 21.30.11 # Also, do you have any idea about http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7852 ? 21.30.43 Join webguest44 [0] (i=d97d8187@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-153319733e29665e) 21.34.56 Quit webguest44 (Client Quit) 21.37.59 Join _Margot_ [0] (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.39.02 Join sleepingdragon [0] (n=sleeping@217.205.243.71) 21.39.17 # linuxstb: that's a pity. 21.39.40 # i thought it might have been magically fixed 21.39.53 Join topbloke [0] (i=top_blok@adsl-75-57-65-41.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 21.40.33 # anyone awake? 21.40.33 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p549313F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.40.44 Quit sleepingdragon (Client Quit) 21.42.40 # 14 seconds. Patient. 21.46.30 # Llorean: I think the poster in #7852 is simply not using the correct device. "/media/ipod" sounds like a mount point, rather than a device, so he/she should simply run ipodpatcher --scan, as I posted. 21.46.57 # linuxstb: Makes sense. 21.47.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.50.48 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 21.51.59 # merry xmas guys 21.52.01 # :) 21.52.16 # Will it give also for ipod nano 5.5th to Rockstar towards? 21.54.12 Quit Margot_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.54.19 Nick _Margot_ is now known as Margot_ (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.55.36 Join tsuyoshi [0] (n=tsuyoshi@hikaru.yumegakanau.org) 21.56.30 Quit Rob222241 () 21.59.03 # dan_a: you thought that the dual core stuff would be easier than optimizing!? :-P 22.00.09 # who would not want a SMP DAP!? :) 22.01.21 Quit Nik07 () 22.01.41 # lostlogic: Yes. Fool thqt 22.01.50 # *fool that I am 22.03.50 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B153A1.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.05.20 # dan_a: it must be close to working, because somehow the cop_counter and the codec can run at the same time and if anything and the cop_counter can run at the same time, the second core is running lines of cod. 22.05.25 # code 22.09.51 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-425e9899865c452d) 22.11.25 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.12.10 # lostlogic: in my testing i get a data abort when i try to play music while the cop_counter thread is running 22.12.29 # so they can't run at the same time! 22.12.56 # Does the codec-on-cop patch take care of the cache? 22.12.57 # barrywardell: really? I'm 99.5% sure I had cop_counter and audio at the same time, I'll double check shortly. 22.13.50 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.14.07 # linuxstb: i'm not too sure about that. it's pretty much just a cvs sync of what dan_a did, so he would know best 22.14.44 # lostlogic: i thought i had previously got cop_counter + audio working too. but my tests now give a data abort so maybe not... 22.15.16 # linuxstb: Every variable that the codec thread shares with other threads is put into IRAM, so it should be 22.15.29 # s/be/do 22.15.29 # What about the audio data? 22.16.09 # linuxstb: that should be fine, because the pcm buffer is only written by the codec thread and read by the FIQ and the file buffer is only written by the audio thread and read by the codec thread, right? 22.16.20 # there's no r/w by two threads 22.18.01 # What do you mean by "there's no r/w by two threads" ? 22.18.43 # neither buffer gets read and written by two threads, each thread performs one operation 22.19.55 # lostlogic: i had to make the counter variable volatile for the counter to work properly because the cpu doesn't know the counter has changed and just caches it 22.20.08 # i think that's what linuxstb is worried about 22.20.10 # yah 22.20.14 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 22.20.18 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 22.20.21 # But a write to memory on the main CPU will be cached, as will reads from memory on the COP... (in the two independent caches) 22.21.13 # hmm... yes, that could be a problem. 22.23.32 # I don't think you need to declare variables volatile as the compiler knows when they will be changed - or am I wrong there? 22.26.51 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.26.55 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.27.46 # BTW, what I read about the cpu clocks is that the COP can be run at either 100%, 50% or 0% of the speed of the main CPU. Not sure where I read that, but possibly one of the PP product briefs. 22.28.13 # dan_a: I just tried removing the volatile and the counter stays at 2 according to the debug screen 22.28.25 # linuxstb: I'm not sure if you saw my mention on the tracker, but battery bench with and without the COP patch showed equal runtime on my nano. 22.28.42 # barrywardell: Where is the variable defined? (i.e. which .c file?) 22.29.00 # main.c 22.29.08 # Llorean: No, I didn't see that. Maybe that means the COP has always been running... 22.30.07 # And the code displaying it is in debug_menu.c ? 22.32.50 # yes 22.33.09 # the patch is in the tracker. it's only a few lines long. 22.34.33 # regarding the clocks, the pp brief says this: up to 80MHz processor operation per core with independent clock skipping feature on COP 22.35.10 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 22.35.10 Quit amar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.36.25 # Maybe every variable in the patch which is changed to IDATA_ATTR needs to be marked volatile as well? 22.37.06 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.39.02 Join Soaa [0] (n=soaa@dsl-155-17.aei.ca) 22.39.07 # hi everyone 22.39.47 # i want to add in a WPS for the newly completed gigabeat port but i don't have write access to the wiki 22.39.53 # my account name is AlainTrinh 22.40.41 # linuxstb: That's pretty much what I got from it too. Because I wasn't sure if it was fully charged, and I had to turn off one run slightly early, I used 90% to 10%, and the time difference between with and without cop was ~3 minutes. 22.40.52 # And this was with identical non-random playlists 22.40.52 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.41.28 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 22.42.57 # Soaa: done 22.43.58 # thanks 22.45.20 Quit topbloke ("bye") 22.46.17 # ok, I'm listening to audio with cop_counter applied 22.46.29 # fo-sho 22.46.29 # and the counter is counting 22.47.13 # But the counter doesn't yield or sleep, so how does the codec thread run? 22.47.31 # on the main processor 22.47.31 # :) 22.47.50 # now _why_ that might be I have no idea 22.47.58 Quit ender` (" The difference between something that can go wrong and something that can't go wrong is that, when the thing that can't go w) 22.48.42 # lostlogic: what about if you make sure the codec thread only runs on the COP like i described in the tracker? 22.48.59 # will do 22.49.50 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.50.32 # if (CURRNET_CORE == COP) { right? 22.50.58 # apart from the type 22.51.01 # typo* 22.51.12 # CURRENT_CORE 22.52.10 # yeah, that :) 22.53.46 # shutdown didn't work just now. 22.54.02 # (from the build that had audio playing and cop_counter 22.54.16 # btw, the web site is currently running single-cpu 22.54.45 # Bagder: processor problem or motherboard? 22.54.50 # so I think I'll remove the builds from that itself 22.54.52 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.54.55 # processor problems it seemed 22.55.38 # lostlogic: now i can run codec and cop_counter. i think i may not have been unzipping the whole rockbox.zip every time, but just copying over rockbox.h10 22.55.57 # barrywardell: *nod* 22.56.15 # ok, no change with adding that if() 22.56.31 # so it _thinks_ it's running on the COP but is clearly not running on the same core as the counter (wtf) 22.56.44 # we probably should get a fresh new hw for the server after the holidays or so 22.56.44 # and what about if you do if (CURRENT_CORE ==CPU)? 22.56.51 # So has someone added in preemptive multitasking without telling us? 22.56.52 # lostlogic: Why not create two parallel counters and see if they can both run on the second core? 22.57.05 # dan_a: haha 22.57.10 # barrywardell: will try that 22.57.19 # Llorean: sounds like a good way to lockup the system :-P 22.57.31 Part Soaa ("Outta here~") 22.57.35 # lostlogic: If it locks up the system, then things are working right though, right? 22.58.56 # * barrywardell wishes he could get jtag working right 22.59.26 # Llorean: yes 22.59.58 # hmm... I think that it just froze after the first song 23.00.23 # (with CURRENT_CPU==COP 23.00.56 # quite frozen 23.01.42 Join Finchery [0] (n=dazedcon@c-67-164-113-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 23.01.56 # Might is somehow lose being on the COP after track change? 23.02.03 # *it 23.02.08 Join bro2baseball [0] (n=bro2base@pool-70-20-32-124.man.east.verizon.net) 23.02.16 # it'd be the othe rway around, but maybehaps 23.02.49 # Oh, I didn't check what the if was checking 23.03.16 # well it's something quacky, I'll tell ya that much 23.03.28 # with CURRENT_CPU == CPU it doesn't play audio at all 23.03.43 # lostlogic: CURRENT_CORE? 23.03.58 # yeah, that. 23.04.14 # we sure do have fancy USB logos these days 23.04.17 # Just checking! What happens if you forward onto the next track? 23.04.32 # no dice 23.04.53 # codec thread can't run at all, can't even go to disk mode from rockbox because the thread is stuck 23.08.07 # Does anyone know who ported the Pacman emulator (PIE) to rockbox? 23.08.33 # * linuxstb did 23.09.28 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD74A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.09.56 Quit amiconn__ () 23.10.08 # does anyone know if the reason im not getting any sound is because i have the iaudio frozen blue screen of death? 23.11.01 # * Llorean wonders what aspect of Rockbox one might call a "blue screen of death" 23.11.16 # I suppose one of the illegal instruction or divide by zero screens. 23.13.27 Join djcrackhomr [0] (i=54b01d18@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7cfd23ef7db6b75b) 23.14.06 Quit djcrackhomr (Client Quit) 23.14.56 Join [Gino] [0] (n=Gino-Tem@pool-71-254-108-147.ptldme.east.verizon.net) 23.15.58 # <[Gino]> How can I "browse" the songs on my x5 with rockbox, by id3 tags? I have enabled the database as the manual says, but I don't know how to browse the songs... 23.17.23 Join cd_rom_for_free [0] (i=HydraIRC@user-514ff167.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) 23.18.56 # [Gino]: I don't know what you're asking exactly. You switch file-view mode to the database, and you browse them... it's the same as browsing the filetree. 23.20.05 # btw wot about havin "show all files" and repeat:off as standard values? 23.20.26 # <[Gino]> SYeah, I know that was a confusing question... What I basically mean is, can I browse by id3 tags (such on the iPod and other mp3 players) rather than using the filetree 23.20.38 # (VERY useful after resetting settings) 23.21.19 # muesli-: Why is "supported" a bad default? 23.21.33 # [Gino]: Yes, you can. 23.21.47 # <[Gino]> How exactly do I do that? 23.21.58 # cos to apply a saved setting you have to change that value every time 23.22.05 # same for repeat mode 23.22.10 # [Gino]: You said you followed the manual's instructions on how to enable the database, did you switch file view modes? 23.22.29 # muesli-: What exactly do you mean? Why do you have to change either of those to apply a saved setting? 23.22.35 # muesli: Export your favourite settings to a .cfg file, then just select that file from the file browser after any settings reset. 23.22.35 # ok... 23.23.23 # linuxstb exactly what i do...but to apply a cfg "all files" must be activated since .rockbox is not shown otherwise 23.23.55 # i think you need to "write" it first 23.24.11 # its already there 23.24.16 # Move it out of .rockbox, or select "Browse cfg files" from the menu 23.24.22 # <[Gino]> Llorean, BY going to general settings>File View>Database>Initialize now? 23.24.25 # is it possible that our way of knowing which core code is running on (the current_core()) function is wrong? 23.24.44 # lostlogic: you are sill working on that? ;D 23.24.55 # [Gino]: No, I said change the file view mode. Either from the quick menu, or the entry in the main menu. 23.25.04 # linuxstb ok, that would work 23.25.08 # cd_rom_for_free: it still doesn't work right ;) 23.25.08 # lostlogic: I wouldn't stake my life on it being right, but I'm reasonably confident 23.25.14 # lostlogic: i don't think so. 23.25.21 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.25.36 # lostlogic: you will get it eventually! :D 23.25.52 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 23.25.57 Nick cd_rom_for_free is now known as cd_rom (i=HydraIRC@user-514ff167.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) 23.26.32 # <[Gino]> Llorean, I'm sorry.... can you xeplain how to do that? 23.26.36 # <[Gino]> explain* 23.26.48 # barrywardell, dan_a: then how can the codec thread and the cop_counter both be running on the COP (or so they report) and music play? 23.27.37 # dan_a: you mentioned before that you thought we should wake the cop earlier (in crt0). any reasons for this? and do you think we should wait for the cop to be awake before continuing? 23.28.24 Join haxorjoe [0] (n=haxorjoe@ool-44c186f7.dyn.optonline.net) 23.28.58 # barrywardell: I just think that if we've got a cop_main() function, then that should always run rather than waiting for the COP to be woken. There's no technical reason, but it feels cleaner. 23.29.01 # will the 2nd gen nano ever be supported? 23.29.06 # [Gino]: I'm not sure the exact menu path to get to it. Just look for File View or Quick Menu in the manual 23.29.22 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.29.37 # haxorjoe: Nobody can answer that. 23.29.54 # [Gino]: what is wrong, i may be able to help!?! 23.30.30 # haxorjoe: It requires someone to 1) Break the encryption; 2) Reverse-engineer all the hardware (it's completely different to the previous ipods). 23.30.30 # i see 23.30.47 # :( 23.30.51 # *cut* 23.31.30 Quit rretzbach (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.31.36 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 23.31.36 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.31.44 # haxorjoe: So if you want an alternative firmware, don't buy one... 23.32.00 # I just wanted to watch videos and experiment with it a bit 23.32.18 # <[Gino]> cd_rom, I'm trying to figure out howto go from Filetree view to Database (browsing by id3 tags) view. 23.32.30 # I got it for Christmas, but I'm not going to sell it just because it's not supported 23.32.40 # lostlogic: try creating the cop_counter thread before audio_preinit(). playback doesn't work any more 23.32.45 # [Gino]: you meant by artist name etc...? 23.32.49 # though I will cry 23.32.50 # <[Gino]> yup 23.33.03 # [Gino], first time run rockbox? 23.33.28 # <[Gino]> mmhmm 23.33.59 # okay, general seting->file view->database 23.34.05 # barrywardell: *frown* 23.34.27 Quit Bagder ("time to say moo!") 23.34.31 # barrywardell: What happens if you yield in the cop_counter thread? Does playback work again? 23.35.04 # <[Gino]> I did that, then what do you choose? Initialize now? 23.35.17 # yep 23.35.19 # and waiting 23.35.25 # :D 23.35.28 # dan_a: i'll try now... 23.35.43 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930BCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.35.47 # from my experience, i found it easier to switch off and turn it back on 23.35.53 # <[Gino]> Okay, Then how do I actually browse it? 23.36.22 # you need to do the "Initialize Now" first for the song to show up 23.37.09 # I don't have an ipod yet... have an iriver H320.. and love it.. does the rockbox firmware for the ipods give you full access to the whole drive? 23.37.28 # ASiDIE: except for the ~80meg firmware partition 23.37.43 # then: General Settings -> File view -> Show Files -> Database. 23.37.54 # I really don't want to use itunes at all... I just want to copy my songs over.. using windows... 23.37.54 # :D 23.38.01 # ASiDIE: Yes, an ipod running Rockbox acts the same as the H320 running Rockbox. 23.38.02 # Gino - Once you've initialized and you've wait a few minutes, then you should reboot the device so Rockbox "commits" the database. 23.38.09 # I also want to create vidoes from all the recorded shows I have and just copy them over. 23.38.18 # any word on the 5.5 80GB? 23.38.31 # <[Gino]> Ahh... That's what I wanted! Thanks cd_rom! 23.38.42 # [Gino], you are welcome!! 23.38.46 # ;D 23.38.54 # ASiDIE: No. People are investigating, but so far no luck. 23.39.43 # linuxstb.. does it look like there is hope... or... looking to be a no go.. 23.40.18 # And don't expect video playback in Rockbox to be as good as the Apple firmware on the 5g/5.5g - Rockbox doesn't use the dedicated video decoder chip, only the main CPU. 23.41.03 # is it because we know little about it... or what? 23.41.05 Join hotwire__ [0] (n=hotwire@69-17-132-197.kingkom.com) 23.41.26 # ASiDIE: Yes, there's hope for the 80GB. It may require disasssembly of the original firmware though. 23.41.50 # ASiDIE: Because we know nothing about it. 23.42.06 # linuxstb: Maybe just implementing ata_hard_reset will fix it... 23.42.14 Quit bro2baseball (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.42.26 # yea.. I would think someone would be able to go in there.. and just add a couple of features too it... make it act like a portable HD... and remove all the DRM stuff 23.42.31 # or what ever it's called. 23.42.32 # (also requires disassembly and/or measurements, but can be done on any PP5020+ ipod) 23.43.01 # dan_a: adding the yield makes playback work again 23.43.17 # I just don't want to use itunes... and then have problems of getting my stuff off.. once I put it on 23.44.05 # I am very happy with my iriver..... even without the rockbox firmware 23.44.20 # barrywardell: Excellent! That's working as expected. (I think that's the first thing that has done) 23.44.21 # it plays videos.. and acts as a HD 23.44.41 # sigh. i did a whole entire factory reset and installation. and still no sound on my iaudiox5 23.45.03 # barrywardell: that sounds somewhat promissing, sorta... how's the performance? 23.45.30 # slightly sluggish. and the counter moves much more slowly 23.45.53 # Finchery: What does Rockbox do when you try and play some music? 23.46.00 # so... confusing... seems like the core that things are running on is semi-random 23.46.15 # linuxstb: everything is normal. just no sound comes out. 23.46.30 # lostlogic, barrywardell: There is only one yield and one sleep in codec_thread() Is there anything other than those which will switch threads? 23.46.44 # dan_a: yes 23.46.54 # dan_a: each codec yields or sleeps as well 23.47.04 Join theconley [0] (n=conley@207.171.199.212) 23.47.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.47.33 # do you guys think we will ever get to the point where we can play divx files on the ipods? 23.47.46 # lostlogic: So why do we need to wait for playback to end before the counter thread runs? 23.48.00 # dan_a, lostlogic, ...: Just a few thoughts 23.48.14 # dan_a: not sure I follow 23.48.32 # ASiDIE: Probably not on the 5g. But maybe on the ipods with smaller LCDs. 23.48.57 # (1) Heavy decoding + dsp and other effects could still slow down the UI even when correctly running on the cop, in case memory access is the bottleneck 23.49.14 # linuxstb.. why on smaller ones.. becuase we can only access the main cpu? 23.49.19 # amiconn: mmm 23.49.45 # lostlogic: You said before that playback didn't work after the first track when you had the cop_counter enabled without a yield in it - suggesting that the cop_counter thread didn't run until after the first track had finished. 23.49.49 # ASiDIE: Smaller the LCD, the less data needs to be decoded and displayed. And yes, we only use the main CPU(s). 23.49.53 Nick ASiDIE is now known as ASiDiE (i=HydraIRC@c-67-176-109-163.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 23.49.59 # amiconn: That makes sense. 23.50.00 # (2) It may also be that the thread correctly starts and runs on the cop as long as it doesn't yield, but that the scheduler somehow messes up as soon as it does tsart to yield, and only ever runs one core at a time 23.50.24 # linuxstb.... is this because we don't know much about the deticated video CPU.... or what? 23.50.37 # ..so while the stuff is running on both cores in parallel, you still have the performance of a single core only 23.50.41 # why don't we have access to this? 23.50.46 # dan_a: negatory, the counter was running while audio was playing 23.50.57 # ASiDiE: We know next to nothing about it 23.51.06 # k.... 23.51.08 # amiconn: 2) sounds like what we're seeing. 23.51.28 # I wonder what the thread activity display in the debug screen shows 23.51.42 # It should show 2 threads in running state 23.51.49 # ASiDiE: .. and nobody is investigating it. Rockbox runs on many MP3 players, and only one of them (the video ipod) has that video decoder. 23.51.53 # amiconn: it doesn't seme to be realtime enough 23.52.02 # amiconn: I'll keep digging in the scheudling code, I'd just started. 23.52.28 # linuxstb.. does the iriver H320... only have 1 cpu?... I am going to assume this 23.52.32 # I see three threads in the running state... 23.52.45 # ASiDiE: Yes. 23.53.47 # (3) It may also be that normal scheduling doesn't mess up, but perhaps sleep() does? 23.54.15 # I wonder how sleep works wrt dual-core. Does it sleep only one core, as it should? 23.54.36 # I might be able to get a 5.5 80GB ipod for around 225.... worth it? I love my h320... and it really does everything I need.. 23.54.45 # How is the cop woken again after sleep(), as iiuc the cop doesn't have interrupts enabled? 23.54.50 # amiconn: the sleep code is written only to put the CPU to slepe not the COP 23.55.04 # that much I saw today 23.55.07 # oh 23.55.12 # Merry Xmas! 23.55.16 # hmm 23.55.20 # amiconn: With the cop patch, timer interrupts are enabled 23.55.20 # dionoea: thx 23.55.30 # is the cop being used on the portal player chips in rockbox now ? 23.55.41 # dionoea: Merry Xmas to you too 23.55.53 # We're still working on the COP 23.55.55 # ASiDIE: If your H320 already does what you need, why bother getting something new? 23.56.37 # well.... it has a larger screen and 80GB instead of 20...... but thats really not a big deal.. .I guess 23.56.39 # ASiDIE: Also, if video is important to you, you'll be reliant on the Apple firmware and itunes or a third-party itunes replacement. 23.57.08 # if video is important, buy an archos :) 23.57.28 # oh really.... dionoea... what one are you looking at? 23.57.33 # or suggesting 23.57.51 # i'm not looking at any since i don't need video :) but they have some really neat ones 23.58.18 # ASiDiE: like: http://www.archos.com/products/video/video_generation4.html?country=global&lang=en 23.58.20 # amiconn: after further reflection on the behavior that we've all reported, I'm pretty sure that your theory of running on the selected core until a reschedule sounds very likely. 23.58.20 # yea... I want something that can pretty much go in my pocket.. 23.58.26 # amiconn: I'll try to look for that 23.58.34 # the only issue is that they're kind of expensive :)