--- Log for 26.12.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 12 hours and 13 minutes ago 00.00.51 # maybe I will just stick with my iriver.. 00.01.07 # play movies... and does just what I want it too 00.02.34 # ASiDiE: you cna get at least a 30 if not a 40g drive for it for ~200 00.03.17 # 40gb for $189.99 00.04.35 # for the 5mm drive? 00.04.39 # wow, those have come down. 00.05.37 # Yeah 00.05.41 # http://www.ipodmods.com/shop/microsoft-zune-parts.html 00.05.47 # The MK4009GAL 00.05.56 # It tempts me for my H120 00.06.23 # damn, makes me want a h120->40 00.08.08 # I keep thinking that the drive of the size I want is about the right price, then a new drive shows up and I think "I'll wait for that to come down" 00.09.38 # hehe, how hard is it to change drives in a ipv, anyone know? 00.09.43 # I could use 10 more gigs in my 5g 00.09.58 # * Llorean doesn't know. 00.10.11 # * cd_rom googles for the manual 00.10.16 # lostlogic: Just buy yourself an 80GB 5.5g... 00.10.23 # XD 00.10.34 # not that rich this month 00.10.35 # lostlogic: And then get Rockbox working on it for us. :-P 00.11.30 # haha 00.11.34 # * cd_rom nods 00.12.55 # lostlogic: (going back to the COP subject) I did tests a while ago where I did a logf() if the codec thread was running on the CPU instead of the COP - and it was, at least some of the time. It might be worth trying that instead if the if(CURRENT_CORE == COP) since playback will still work if the thread is on the wrong core. 00.12.56 Join Brock [0] (i=Brock@cpe-65-28-252-205.woh.res.rr.com) 00.13.35 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 00.14.05 # dan_a: *nod* I'm just trying to find how it would switch cores by code analysis, becaues that's more my style than experiment. 00.14.46 Join RaverDave [0] (n=fuckyou@AC8D0542.ipt.aol.com) 00.14.54 # hello! 00.15.22 Quit [Gino] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.16.28 # I was wondering why I cannot see the pluginzxbox, the spectrum emulator, in the list of plugins,or am i meant to?? 00.18.23 # RaverDave: It's a viewer plugin, as it says on the plugin page 00.19.43 # rockbox source code is written in C? 00.19.59 # C with a small amount of assembler. 00.20.24 # jeez 00.20.46 # i like to work on something but i think i need to learn C first! 00.21.22 # nite all! 00.21.31 Quit cd_rom (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 00.21.44 # hmm.. how do I sleep? 00.22.16 # on an ipod nano that is 00.22.32 # ydo: Put it under your pillow? 00.22.36 # You don't sleep, you power-off by holding PLAY/PAUSE for a couple of seconds. 00.23.45 # ok.. but bootuptime.. is there any plans on implementing sleep? 00.24.52 # 4s bootuptime.. not that much :) 00.24.59 # ydo: nothing for rockbox really has a definate "will do by this date" 00.25.19 # It is really up to the developers leisure, and interest 00.25.59 # ydo: I think the interest would be in decreasing bootup time even further. 00.27.10 # * dan_a wonders whether we can turn on cache earlier now with the new bootloader (for loading Rockbox, at least) to decrease bootup time 00.27.11 # oh, of course, I'm really happy I found this project and will rtfs any day now.. but now its time to sleep 00.27.42 # linuxstb: I think Rockbox from Bootpartition is almost as fast as I could ask for, though I guess Rockbox from Flash *could* be even faster. 00.28.07 # is it possible to profile? 00.28.24 # or debug? perhaps through remote-gdb? 00.29.04 # I think the WPS reading is one of the main ways we could speedup boot time. 00.29.18 # * Llorean agrees. 00.29.28 # That's actually a good chunk of boot time isn't it? 00.29.46 # ydo: Yes, there is profiling code in Rockbox. You can use remote-gdb on targets with a serial port... 00.30.44 # serial port huh ;) 00.31.10 Quit ShadowdogMU (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.31.11 # well.. ty and bye 00.31.17 Quit Brock (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.32.55 Quit merbanan ("Leaving") 00.35.34 Nick Jeff3 is now known as newt` (i=newt@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 00.40.01 Quit haxorjoe () 00.40.46 # sorry yes,so how do i get a spectrum game going please? using the zxbox... 00.41.27 # RaverDave: It's a viewer plugin. Have you read the PluginZXbox wiki page? 00.43.07 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host137-228-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 00.43.07 # i been reading the manual,boy its big!takes some sifting through 00.43.19 # argh 00.43.37 # RaverDave: You just click on spectrum files 00.43.38 # note to self: unmount your ipod before unplugging the usb 00.44.14 Join haxorjoe [0] (n=haxorjoe@ool-44c186f7.dyn.optonline.net) 00.44.19 # well,i tried putting a few roms in a folder i had named spectrum in the root of the ipod,but the folder doesnt show 00.45.14 Join [Gino] [0] (n=Gino-Tem@pool-71-254-108-147.ptldme.east.verizon.net) 00.45.42 Join MadDog011 [0] (n=MadDog01@cable-87-116-153-230.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) 00.45.46 Part MadDog011 00.47.15 # how many folders/files do you have in root? 00.47.54 # are you in filetree mode or Database mode? Are you sure you are in the filetree and not the Menu? 00.48.25 # And are you sure you created the folder in the root, and not in .rockbox for example? 00.49.19 # wait..i am loosing my mind,i think i never created it..lol!i must of got drives mixed up,i bet it got saved on the damn digital camera drive 00.49.49 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 00.50.28 # oh boy,thats a shame,sabatuer doesnt work! :( ... is there a list of what spectrum games work? 00.50.48 # <[Gino]> Can I puse a plugin that uses sound (such as Doom or the Metronome) and listen to music at the same time? O 00.50.56 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.51.03 # try it ;) 00.51.22 # so its the same for gameboy then huh,you just put the roms in a folder and select em,as with spectrum 00.52.40 # RaverDave: I think it's limited to 48K Spectrum games, but the wiki page _should_ say. 00.53.10 # yes,i think i just realised i got the 128k version of sabateur 00.54.41 # I don't suppose anyone here can post on the main rockbox.org front page the news re gigabeat sound? 00.55.03 # yay, dosfsck seemed to work well 00.56.36 # the norwegian language file isn't up to date with the cvs, i can just change it, right? 00.56.56 # cvs says it's 4 weeks old, so unless that's just a "4 weeks or more", i guess someone is updating it regularly 00.56.57 # hotwire_: Is Gigabeat sound in CVS yet? 00.57.26 # Llorean: nope. Still in fork status. 00.57.35 Join Aghaster [0] (n=Aghaster@modemcable010.69-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.57.42 # Hi 00.57.43 # hotwire_: Then wouldn't it be odd to announce it on the official page, if it's not in the official repository? 00.57.45 # but if that's the requirement, good to know. 00.57.57 # A quick question, is video playback now supported in rockbox? 00.57.59 # * linuxstb is still waiting for the traditional "Gentlemen,..." email 00.58.00 # I don't know if there's a requirement 00.58.04 # It just seems odd for me. 00.58.12 # A Gentleman, ... email is also customary, yes 00.58.29 # Aghaster: Yes, _video_ playback has been in Rockbox for a while.. 00.58.40 # in which formats? 00.58.41 # Makes sense. There are some rockbox builds for the gigabeat floating around that readers of the gigabeat irc channel have been playing with. 00.58.53 # what, not playback on an iPod video. playing videos. 00.58.56 # just to make sure 00.58.57 # MPEG-1, and MPEG-2 video elementary streams. 00.59.03 # ok 01.01.25 # linuxstb: what email is this? 01.01.48 # right,i got the game loaded,but hell i cannot get to play it,must have to setup the controller somehow 01.03.22 # hotwire_: It's a tradition started here: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-05/0016.shtml and continued by everyone who has got sound working on a new target 01.05.19 Quit Finchery () 01.06.11 # * linuxstb notices the first email to the Rockbox mailing list was in December 2001 and guesses we missed Rockbox's fifth birthday... 01.06.25 Quit strabes (Remote closed the connection) 01.08.20 # blagh, I don't see any place where a thread clearly gets put on a list that belongs to the other core, but it must be in there. 01.08.43 # linuxstb: You're not the first one to notice... 01.08.55 Part Llorean 01.09.20 # * amiconn noticed that on Dec 17, when we missed rockbox' 5th anniversary by 10 days 01.12.11 # 5 years... wow 01.13.59 # have we started planning devcon 2007 yet, speaking of years :-P 01.14.53 # I remember using the led blinker on my player 01.15.06 # yea devcon 2007 has been booked. 01.15.16 # will be in Columbus Ohio, since I can't travel. 01.15.25 # I'll provide lodging and baked goods. 01.15.42 # I don't dev either, but I can watch,. 01.15.47 # laugh 01.15.49 # and bake cakes. 01.16.02 # maybe this year we should do a US and EU devcon, video-linked 01.16.14 # a video of a pie isn't as sweet 01.17.11 # * dan_a wonders if we could hold devcon in Austin, Texas. At around the same time as SXSW... 01.17.19 # SXSW? 01.17.54 # South By Southwest. It's a band showcase, with several hundred gigs over a week or two. 01.18.34 # lostlogic: Don't forget our Australian colleagues... 01.18.52 # well what about the asians then? 01.18.57 # and southamericans 01.19.00 # Are there any? 01.19.04 # beats me 01.19.18 # who's from AUS/NZ? 01.19.21 # We should have map... 01.19.35 # lostlogic: JdGordon at least 01.19.44 Quit [Gino] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.15 # linuxstb: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/ 01.20.19 # have a US devcon in Oregon, after all Linus Torvalds and Greg KH themselves live here :) 01.20.25 # oh, yeah, we can't forget him, he's one of my heros. 01.20.49 # bagawk: but... we're not linux... 01.21.20 # lostlogic: well, open source 01.21.25 # :) 01.21.33 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54930471.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.21.53 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php?onlydevs=yes#maptop 01.22.11 # I wonder if many people use my Esperanto translation of rockbox. 01.22.34 # vast majority still in EU, guess we'll just hafta get our travelin' shoes on. 01.23.27 # Quick Rockbox question, to increase the main stack (for Coldfire and ARM), do I just change the 0x2000 in line 175 of app.lds? 01.24.16 # Yes, but take care of iram size 01.25.02 # I just noticed that.... 01.25.18 # 8KB stack is quite large imho 01.25.43 # Most ohread's stacks are smaller 01.25.58 # are the new iPod nanos supported yet? 01.25.58 # Most other thread's 01.26.20 # * amiconn blames the Ins key 01.26.26 # hmm, is LANG_TAGCACHE_DISK in english.lang supposed to be deprecated? both the desc and source are empty 01.26.41 # amiconn: I'm trying to run the old mpa2wav plugin, and I'm getting crashes on my ipod, and stkov on the h140. So I'm wondering if it's really a stack overflow, or something else going wrong. 01.26.58 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.28.04 # Aghaster: No, the new Nano is about as far as the Zune is from being supported. (a long, long way). 01.29.50 # linuxstb: The Zune is based on the i.MX31, for which there is a 2000 page reference manual on the Freescale website. Once we get past firmware encryption, the Zune should be easier than the new Nano! 01.30.35 # OK, so the Nano is even further away than the Zune... 01.31.39 # cool 01.31.45 # I'm tempted to buy a zune to play 01.31.55 Nick xmaskclaf is now known as kclafk (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 01.32.27 # dan_a: Do you know if the Gigabeat S has the same encryption? 01.32.32 # newt` what makes u that foolish? 01.32.46 # The same reason he bought the 80GB 5.5g... 01.32.55 # I got the 80gb 5.5 for free 01.33.07 # santa? 01.33.09 # But you're paying for it now... 01.33.14 # linuxstb: I don't know for sure. I think I've read that it has. 01.33.59 # muesli-, no I got it from work 01.35.04 # i wouldnt buy any ms crap 01.35.45 # maybe the 4th or 5th gen would make sense 01.36.18 Quit haxorjoe () 01.36.56 # but i admit its quite hard to choose for a player right now 01.37.01 # do iPods have USB OTG? 01.37.13 # In theory. 01.37.40 # dan_a: I'm testin' to see if the CURRENT_CORE macro ever reports weird during execution of the cop_counter by having cop_counter be an array type thingus. 01.37.45 # I believe the hardware is there, but the Apple firmware doesn't support it, apart from a limited camera connectivity. 01.37.50 # and in practical? via accesoires? 01.37.55 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.38.49 Join haxorjoe [0] (n=haxorjoe@ool-44c186f7.dyn.optonline.net) 01.40.21 Quit haxorjoe (Client Quit) 01.41.21 # lostlogic: That sounds like it should help. I'm tempted to do some tests from before Slasheri's priority scheduling update and see how things work 01.41.36 # dan_a: I run w/o priority scheduling any way 01.41.49 # (had to make 2 commits today to make it run that way ;)) 01.42.16 # * linuxstb also tried compiling an ipod build without priority scheduling yesterday... 01.42.29 # * linuxstb cheated and disabled recording. 01.43.01 # shoot, I forgot to increment the line to print, so can't see what I'm printing. 01.43.31 # lostlogic: There were other changes to support the infrastructure for priority scheduling, such as having the threads in linked lists. 01.43.56 # dan_a: ahh, good point. 01.44.14 # I hadn't really looked at the threads in detail before the commit, forgot they didn't used to be LLs 01.46.01 Join Red [0] (i=cfe6c00e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d8ec27e0bf7778fc) 01.46.16 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 01.46.19 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 01.46.42 # hey gang is there any reason why it's got to be file browser mode or database? why can't we have database view as another menu item? 01.46.51 # well the counter only counts on the COP part of my counting array, so that's a good sign, I think... now I add a yield. 01.46.54 # OK, libmad now seems to use too much stack to run in a plugin... Increasing the stack size (and moving the stack out of IRAM) fixed my crashes. 01.46.55 Quit strabes (Remote closed the connection) 01.46.56 # i need browser mode to watch vids/pictures but need database mode to play music 01.47.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.48.05 # * dan_a tries to work out which plugin would need libmad... 01.48.20 # MpegPlayer? 01.48.41 # Yes. 01.49.03 # It's going to be a fight for IRAM. 01.49.09 # :D That will make a lot of people happy! 01.49.45 # Don't several of the PP targets have more IRAM than we actually use at the moment? 01.50.00 # Yes, the Nano, 5g and 2nd Gen Mini have 128KB. 01.50.16 # (PP5021/PP5022) 01.50.50 # But my own main target for mpegplayer is the Photo. 01.51.25 # even with a yield, it still only counts on the cop, now, sleep... 01.51.52 Part Aghaster ("Leaving") 01.53.29 # Hey all, quick question: I have an H10, and playback is intermittent. Cuts out for a second every 30 or so. I think it may be the cpu not being able to keep up, is there a low-resource wps I could use that would help? Or any other ideas? 01.53.57 # Red: try a wps without peakmeters. iCatcher is a good example 01.54.04 # eq, peakmeter, dsp all make slow 01.54.44 # I'm using engineer2, all it has is scrolling text, still having problems 01.55.25 # What kind of files are you playing? 01.55.33 # have you got the equalizer turned off? 01.55.40 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.55.55 # mp3, 128k, most are constant 01.55.58 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97CBC.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.56.04 # with a sleep(1) in the cop_counter, it stops counting after one loop (ie on the first sleep) 01.56.28 # and now I must go to Christmas dinner... but audio still works with the counter frozen'd 01.56.29 # i'll try turning off eq, see if that helps 01.57.02 # xmas dinner @ this time..you must be in america or something 01.57.12 # lostlogic: Enjoy your dinner. Grep the sources for COP_CTL = PROC_SLEEP in either kernel.c or thread.c when you get back, and comment it out. 01.57.35 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.57.44 # BTW, is mpegplayer working on the Sansa? 01.58.34 # linuxstb: Not in CVS. I need to implement an lcd_yuv_blit() 01.58.45 # But with a nasty hack it can work. 01.59.10 # You mean using the SIM code? 01.59.43 # Yes - works like a charm 01.59.49 # At what speed? 02.00.02 # can i just ask, the spectrum emulator seems fine with 2 frameskip,but of course it has no sound,the gameboy emulator is slow as hell but has sound, so if the spectrum emulator had sound it would also be slow as hell right?? 02.00.19 # I think I'm good to go, thanks a ton guys 02.01.16 # linuxstb: I don't know - how would I find out? test_fps() won't work until I find a way to block lcd_update from returning until the update is complete. 02.01.49 # mpegplayer has an option to display the fps. 02.02.05 # (although with full-screen video it just flashes onscreen....) 02.02.52 Quit Bjoern-Erik ("leaving") 02.04.17 # linuxstb: Just building/testing now. 02.04.26 Quit Soap () 02.04.45 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 02.05.07 Quit Red ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.05.45 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 02.18.57 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.22.42 # linuxstb: ? 02.23.01 # ? 02.23.22 # linuxstb, would it be possible (easy) to add an error message to ipodpatcher that tells the exact error when it encounters an HFS+ drive? 02.24.23 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-4570aea6.dyn.optonline.net) 02.24.28 # It would mean detecting an Apple Partition Map. 02.24.51 # that's cool then 02.25.45 # two people (who I /thought/ could read) failed to ensure their HFS+ ipods were FAT16 before trying today, and ipodpatcher just didn't do anything. 02.27.51 # I would quite like to implement it sometime, as well as the option to convert from HFS+ to FAT32. But it's not a high priority. 02.43.01 Quit strabes (Remote closed the connection) 02.43.35 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 02.44.45 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 02.50.13 # linuxstb: Elephant's Dream at 176x128 plays at about 30fps 02.51.00 # I think that's similar to the ipods, maybe a little faster. 02.52.58 # Anyone know how to fix linker messages like "undefined reference to `__umodsi3'" ? (in a plugin) 02.55.01 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 02.58.21 Join karim [0] (n=karim@ip-155.net-81-220-245.rev.numericable.fr) 03.00.05 Join Kingsqueak [0] (n=who@c-68-38-166-84.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.01.15 # any suggestion for a frozen iPod , to get it unstuck, iPod video g5, frozen solid with backlight on, doesn't seem to respond to anything and isn't visible to linux at this point either 03.01.37 # hold menu+select for abou 10s 03.01.55 # that got it, thanks man 03.13.12 Nick JoeyBorn is now known as JoeBorn (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 03.13.30 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 03.14.08 Join metateck [0] (n=metateck@12-219-72-225.client.mchsi.com) 03.14.41 # what possibilities are there that my ipod will be completely destroyed when i try to install rockbox? 03.14.56 # it looks like if the firmware got messed up i could just restore it from itunes 03.15.01 # but what about the bootloader? 03.17.44 # i have just installed it,its ace man.. 03.17.57 # i know i really want to 03.18.09 # but is it possible to restore the boot loader if that some how crashed? 03.18.14 # yes!you really do!!i am playing doom on the ipod atm 03.18.50 # but that doesnt answer my question 03.19.12 # metateck: The bootloader is just stored on the hard disk, so an itunes restore will wipe it. 03.19.21 # i think you can?! wait for someone else to answer,i am as new as you,and to be hinest,i wouldnt want that itunes crap back..ever 03.19.27 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.19.31 # the bootloader is stored not on the harddisk 03.19.46 # hinest==honest 03.20.02 # metateck: The Rockbox bootloader is. 03.20.03 # (on the ipods) 03.20.16 Quit JoeyBorn ("Leaving") 03.20.16 # oh 03.20.28 # i thought it replaced the ipod bootloader on the cf card? 03.20.55 # oh i guess it could just replace firmware 03.21.00 # instead of the bootloader 03.21.02 # ok im convinced 03.21.04 # installing 03.21.11 # thanks for talking me into it linuxstb 03.21.38 # :( 03.21.48 # There is an Apple bootloader in flash, which normally loads the Apple firmware from disk. The Rockbox bootloader attaches itself to the Apple firmware on disk, so the Apple bootloader runs it. 03.21.55 # okk coo 03.22.24 # RaverDave, i was already convinced it was cool, just worreid about problems with it. i couldnt install it without my question being answered 03.23.06 # yeh ok,i wasnt as caution..whateva as you,but then again i couldnt have given a toss if itunes were wiped off the planet 03.23.34 # never mind from my ipod 03.23.39 # i was worried about destroying my ipod on the first day 03.23.43 # not itunes 03.23.45 # i hate itunes 03.23.48 # oh..ok..hehe 03.24.09 # its understandable i guess,i have had mine a while now i think 03.25.28 Join Cazov [0] (n=Tyche@D-128-208-83-180.dhcp4.washington.edu) 03.27.03 # just let me know if you need more help anyhow.i have just installed stuff and that so my brain is frsh atm, i have got spectrum games running for instance 03.27.21 # fresh* 03.27.31 # but dont tell the zombies 03.31.26 Quit JoeXBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.34.01 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.39.21 # so now that rockbox is installed, is the old ipod firmware gone, or can i still boot to it? 03.39.45 # Turn the hold switch on as you reboot to start the Apple firmware. 03.40.55 # turn it on at the POST? 03.41.40 # yes 03.41.48 # it still loads rockboc 03.42.05 # then you toggled the hold switch on too late. 03.42.37 Quit muesli- ("ich will Kühe!!!") 03.42.39 # ahh i see 03.42.45 # cool 03.42.48 # im so satisfied. 03.43.14 # its great innit..i felt pretty good also 03.43.35 # how do i go back to rockbox now? same thing? 03.43.52 # and i dunno everything yet,i just woke up this morning wanting to install linux on the ipod then came across this amazing thing 03.44.07 Quit barrywardell () 03.44.10 # i presume start with the lock switch off 03.44.19 # you have to 03.44.59 # do you know how to reset the ipod yet? you have an ipod video right? 03.45.12 # or 5th gen as they are called 03.45.14 Quit funky ("leaving") 03.45.20 # yeah 03.45.23 # im just reading the manual 03.45.28 # i should have done that before bugging you guys 03.45.37 # hold select and menu to reboot into rockbox 03.45.45 # just hold menu and the middle button down together for 5 secs or so 03.46.38 # its ok..i never read anything also,i bugged these lot earlier 03.47.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.47.43 # right,i am off to be..good luck with it all metateck! you should enjoy it 03.47.45 # thanks 03.47.49 Part x1jmp ("Konversation terminated!") 03.47.49 # bye RaverDave. 03.47.52 Quit RaverDave () 03.51.07 # apple did the scrolling better, i miss the accerlating scrolling 03.52.59 # That just isn't implemented yet in Rockbox. 03.54.07 # ok good. 03.58.17 # anyone that worked on this, thanks! somehow I never saw this project until tonight and it 'fixes' many things I didn't like about the stock iPod 03.58.35 # such as? 03.58.38 # im just curious 03.58.46 # parametric EQ is a major one for me 03.58.46 # i installed it 10 minutes ago 03.59.04 # it actually works well and the frequencies are pretty accurate as well as the 'Q' widths 03.59.43 # getting rid of the insane iPod folder hierarchy was another major bonus, I only use linux, don't even have a Win machine so dealing with that is a pain 03.59.57 # that would bug me 04.00.01 # I'd rather just copy files over 04.00.13 # yeah i hate itunes 04.00.49 # I was using gtkpod, but I'm just not a fan of being bound into a GUI 04.01.06 # i want a gui 04.01.20 # im browsing wps files now 04.01.26 # i wouldnt mind if i had a keyboard 04.01.54 # oh a GUI on the iPod itself, yeah that's o.k. just didn't like having to use gtkPod....though it worked well 04.02.06 # oh 04.03.20 # the stock iPod EQ settings were so horrible, this is really great 04.03.34 # i havent listened to music yet with it 04.03.40 # i actually dont even know how yet 04.03.51 # I was a sound engineer for years, so being able to just poke out the frequencies I already know I want adjusted is fantastic 04.04.36 # anyone know, does the EQ in rockbox affect line-out feed as well as the headphone out? 04.04.48 # isnt that the same? 04.05.14 # I *think* that's a hardware restriction in the iPod, as far as the signal path 04.05.25 # no, line-out is what you get via the dock connector 04.05.38 # it's a fixed gain level output, doesn't go through the headphone amp circuit 04.05.40 # oh i didnt think about those 04.05.47 # the only thing i dock to is my computer 04.06.11 # I'll be using this with a headphone amp and have dock connectors coming to make my own line-out cables for that 04.06.14 # well...this is inconvenient 04.06.18 # it's also handy for car use 04.07.59 # does this still play video? 04.08.20 # I don't believe so, I never use that anyway 04.08.33 # i do for diggnation podcasts 04.09.20 # plays only mpeg 1 and 2 elemental video streams. 04.09.26 # no sound yet. 04.09.30 # ok 04.09.47 # i guess i can still just use the appleware for that 04.13.11 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 04.16.40 # Rockbox is all about the pure audio. 04.18.43 Quit hotwire_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.29.06 Quit myzar (Remote closed the connection) 04.29.11 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.31.03 Quit karim (Remote closed the connection) 04.38.44 Join ChRiIiS [0] (n=ChRiIiS@c220-237-183-5.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 04.39.08 # hey all juz quick question will rock box play .avi files or divx files ? 04.40.37 # ?? 04.41.09 # not at this time. 04.41.25 Join hotwire_ [0] (n=hotwire@69-17-132-197.kingkom.com) 04.41.55 # is there sumthen or differnt program like rock box that will play them bc im bored of the same old skins on my iriver 04.43.43 # im guessing ure not allowed to link me or tell me but can u change the skins with out rock box installed ? 04.43.56 # "not allowed"? 04.44.27 # Mysticriver would be the place to ask about that. 04.44.35 # k thanx for that 04.44.44 # this is not exactly a room full of original firmware lovers. 04.45.37 Quit hcs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.45.53 # oh, I love the original firmware on my iaudio. It was so stable, no random crashes at all. 04.46.42 # lol tru tru 04.48.28 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.48.50 Quit ChRiIiS () 04.50.36 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.55.30 # hmm 04.55.42 # looks like the LCD screen on the M5 IS a varitronix one 05.09.57 Join nickv111 [0] (n=nick@c-75-71-229-135.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 05.10.10 # Hey. Is the Nano 2nd generation ever going to work? 05.13.49 # eventually.. hopefully 05.14.30 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.msg50598 05.14.41 # I don't own one, but I have a friend whom I'm trying to convince to use Rockbox 05.14.48 # But he has an iPod Nano 2G 05.15.10 # it will be a while 05.16.11 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 05.19.25 Join doopy [0] (n=George@c-67-165-198-32.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 05.20.11 # how long is it gonna be until 2nd gen ipods are supported by rockbox or ipodlinux? 05.20.48 # no way to tell 05.20.55 # and i cant answer for ipl 05.21.25 # i can tell you that it wont happen if things keep going as they are with no one stepping up that wants to make a port happen 05.21.44 # oh 05.22.11 # I do, but im not as good with C as probably is required 05.22.24 # then get to learning! ;) 05.23.26 # * doopy looks online at his local library for a book on C 05.23.51 # i recommend *the* C book, but it might be a little heady for beginners 05.24.10 # at least, that is the one i hear being recommended each time..heh 05.24.12 # A Book on C is decent 05.24.22 # it is pretty dry though 05.24.39 # well I can do C and C++ fairly well but I still don't understand the more advanced concepts 05.24.47 # ah 05.25.09 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language_%28book%29 05.26.42 # haha all the links at the bottom are broken 05.26.48 # but I can fix that... 05.33.28 # Cazov - A book on C ?!? 05.33.30 # :o 05.34.22 # eh, I like it :p 05.34.45 # though I've found different people have very very different views on which books they like for learning C 05.35.12 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 05.35.41 Quit newt` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.35.54 Join newt` [0] (i=newt@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 05.37.29 # Cazov - Isn't it a bit, like, outdated? I haven't dabbed a lot with C, but I never, ever saw code where function parameters where defined outside of the function declaration and it's definition.. (I mean, like 'function fooBar() intx; {//do something} ) 05.38.24 # hmm...that version sounds more outdated than the one I have 05.38.33 # though I do admit that there are portions that are pretty dated 05.38.46 # Cazov - But yeah, the structure of the book is quite good, mybe I just have a waaaay old copy. (well I actually do, so. :p ) 05.39.14 # I believe they have an up to date copy but I'm too cheap to pick it up; the one my mom used in college is good enough hehe 05.40.38 # Wish I didn't just 'understand' that stuff.. Seems I can read through 50 lines of code, but over that and I get lost. Way too distracted, I have real serious attention deficit problems. 05.40.51 # yeah 05.41.17 # Cazov - You trying to tell me the one I have from college is older than your mom's ?? lol 05.41.25 # it's possible, I'll check 05.41.45 # 1984 05.41.47 # mine was published in 1984 05.41.52 # hah 05.41.52 # heh 05.42.24 # weird...I ended up with an extra screw 05.42.43 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-146-239.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 05.43.27 # There's nothing weird there, extra screw appearing from nowhere is expected behaviour with any technology. 05.43.32 # :) 05.43.37 # I suppose 05.43.45 # I'll take it with me next time I dismantle this thing 05.44.07 # which may be tomorrow...if the soldering iron is still up there in the lab 05.44.16 # then I can take some scans of the PC board too 05.44.32 # Hehe, cool. What device are you taking apart? 05.44.38 # damned LCD screen has some contacts soldered to part of the main board 05.44.43 # iAudio m5 05.45.13 # I want to play mp4 files on it...so I am contributing what I can to this project :) 05.46.09 # Cool. Good luck with it. 05.46.17 # yeah 05.47.12 # as long as I can manage not to break things I think I'll be fine :) 05.47.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.48.03 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 05.55.12 Quit jaebird (Remote closed the connection) 05.55.27 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 06.06.59 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 06.16.50 Quit midkay ("*poff*") 06.17.02 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 06.22.39 Quit Cazov (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.23.37 # do I understand correctly that the dirbrowse function that is called as part of the main() initialization on the primary core never returns until shutdown? 06.26.35 Join Cazov [0] (n=Tyche@D-128-208-83-180.dhcp4.washington.edu) 06.26.38 Part Cazov ("ldlfghsdlkg") 06.26.47 Join Cazov [0] (n=Tyche@D-128-208-83-180.dhcp4.washington.edu) 06.31.18 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-156-14-64.asm.bellsouth.net) 06.32.35 Join inteliwasp [0] (n=inteliwa@69-168-176-97.clvdoh.adelphia.net) 06.33.28 # i was just caching up on the recent changes for the ipod, is there now native usb support now? 06.36.19 Quit inteliwasp (Client Quit) 06.38.31 Join argonel [0] (i=beezle@konversation/developer/argonel) 06.39.52 Quit metateck () 06.42.48 Join JdGordon [0] (i=dced3920@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a2c68c09d9f2d00f) 06.43.49 Part EbErT 06.47.47 # * Soap would tell him, but he is gone. 06.48.54 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15F0B.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.57.09 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 06.57.26 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.09.09 Join topbloke [0] (i=top_blok@adsl-75-57-65-41.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 07.18.23 Quit PaulPosition () 07.18.47 Quit darkless (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.18.47 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.18.47 Quit preglow (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.19.22 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.19.22 NJoin darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 07.20.15 Quit topbloke ("bye") 07.23.53 NJoin preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 07.40.41 # soap:I'm interested well then you can tell me 07.40.53 # whoa 07.41.04 # man, I've had a few too many stellas 07.41.50 Join xxabsentxx [0] (n=laksgjf@pool-70-106-144-132.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.41.55 # Yarg. 07.42.00 Quit |AhIoRoS| ("Abandonando, see you http://ahioros.vidao2.com") 07.42.06 # hmmmm, disappointing. I think I'm finally realizing some minimal performance gains by using the COP on ipod, but as amiconn suggested, the main problem might be memory performance giving us not as impressive as we'd hoped gains. 07.42.09 # Anyone awake? 07.43.25 # sleep hacking here. 07.43.35 # Bling. 07.44.32 # lostlogic: throughput or latency? 07.46.36 # tychver: intuititively throughput 07.46.43 # but I'm no memory controller expert 07.47.11 Join jonno [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.47.32 Nick jonno is now known as JdGordon_ (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.47.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.50.42 # Question, if nobodys busy, on the rockbox.org manuals section... the ipod mini 2nd gen is a 2nd gen nano, right? 07.50.58 # no 07.51.04 # it's a little early to draw conclusions but that could mean that we will struggle with playing 320x240 mpeg2 with sound 07.51.07 # the mini was a line before the nano 07.51.16 # I hadn't seen the mini so I wasn't sure. 07.51.40 # I hate to sound like a noob, but I am with iPods. 07.51.52 # xxabsentxx: it;s ok 07.52.02 # I'm the tard who got one for christmas. ;) 07.52.18 # * JdGordon_ is playing the find-a-decent-linux-distro game again :'( 07.52.28 # JdGordon_: Slack ;) 07.52.32 # xxabsentxx: if you don want it ill have it.... 07.52.32 # JdGordon_: gentoo, still works for me :) 07.52.48 # gentoo :) 07.52.51 # tried gentoo once, 20 hhuor compile didnt really do it for me :p 07.52.53 # I'm new to iPods, but not to stuff like this... Trying to bone up on what I can do with it. 07.53.22 # well there are binary packages for it now 07.53.26 # I use the KDE binaries 07.53.35 # takes far too long to compile for my liking 07.54.06 # JdGordon_: what are you running now? 07.54.48 # TheCollector: kubuntu 6.10 untill an hour ago, formatted coz it annoyed me, debian etch now 07.54.52 # JdGordon_: I think for people who are accustomed to spending some time each week doing sysadmin tasks Gentoo makes a lot of cents, if you want a plug and forget about it distro it's not for you though. 07.55.23 # i'd stay with etch, but its not quite ready yet 07.55.28 # yeah that's true, usually it's painless, but updates to large packages can take a couple of hours to fix 07.55.41 # JdGordon_: ah - I ran debian for about a year and a half until apt just made me mad 07.56.07 # and you moved to slack? 07.56.16 # yes 07.56.35 # I got tired of apt's dependency mgmt. 07.58.12 # so you moved to a distro without any dependancy management? 07.58.20 # yes 07.58.23 # *dependency 07.58.38 # at least this way I cause the frustrations ;) 07.58.56 # I think Slack with OpenBSD's package management is what I'd really like to see 07.59.43 # that's pretty much gentoo :S 08.01.28 # nah, BSD allows for binary packages, iirc 08.01.33 # there is swaret too 08.01.49 # gentoo has binary packages 08.01.59 # Cazov beat me to it 08.02.11 # really 08.02.11 # hmm 08.02.13 # well, more specifically portage& 08.02.19 # also, I used to use openBSD on my server before I moved to gentoo 08.02.24 # for all its bloat, portage is a pretty nice package manager 08.03.07 # features wise portage is the nicest CLI package manager, it's just slow as a drunk sloth 08.03.11 # yeah 08.03.37 # I fiddled with gentoo once, but the install was just way too much of a pain 08.03.41 # also gentoo now has a basic gui installer 08.03.46 # huh 08.04.06 # yeah, the install can be a pain the first few times 08.04.45 # I've only used the GUI gentoo installer once but it pretty much dumps a stage 3 install and a generic kernel on there for you 08.04.50 # the rest is up to you 08.05.03 # that's convenient 08.05.10 # very 08.05.53 Quit JdGordon_ ("Konversation terminated!") 08.07.27 # gentoo's current problem is that it lacks the manpower to test all packages and sometimes relatively stable things take a while to filter down in the "stable" list 08.07.30 Quit xxabsentxx () 08.08.17 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@mail.ukrcard.com.ua) 08.09.19 Quit doopy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.16.53 # that certainly is true 08.22.24 Join myzar|away [0] (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 08.25.23 Quit JdGordon ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.25.38 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 08.31.49 Join jonno [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.32.22 Nick jonno is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.32.59 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon_ (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.33.03 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.37.46 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 08.45.52 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 08.48.44 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.51.04 Quit newt` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.01.31 Quit nickv111 (Remote closed the connection) 09.47.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.54.15 Quit myzar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.08.13 # linuxstb: __umodsi3 is part of libgcc (unsigned modulo operation); I wonder how the linker can be unable to resolve that... 10.09.40 Join RedZZR [0] (i=59f1a0e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4601bbd9ed4fb226) 10.10.06 # hey JdGordon 10.10.13 # hey 10.10.13 # sup? 10.10.19 # not much 10.10.22 # home from work 10.10.34 # speaking of which.... 10.10.37 # me needs a job :p 10.10.43 # heh 10.10.58 # what are you studying? 10.11.06 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@74.195.4.27) 10.11.07 # JdGordon: you arent alone... 10.11.10 # soft eng 10.11.59 # heh 10.12.20 # i'm sure you can find some job 10.12.27 # you want part-time or cas? 10.13.00 # i dont _want_ any... :p 10.13.03 # * JdGordon likes being a bum 10.13.45 # if you want to be a bum 10.13.49 # scalp on ebay 10.13.59 Part RedZZR 10.14.09 # can make ALOT of money 10.14.55 # i've got friends that buy 2 tickets, keep one for themselves, and sell the other to pay for their's + beer money 10.15.04 # need to have money to start that tho 10.15.20 # being a bum is quite the noble profession... 10.15.41 # JdGordon: yeah - but. it pays for itself after that 10.15.55 # the big one to look out for is falls festival 10.16.02 # buy for $90 in april 10.16.03 # anyway... back to rockbox talk.... 10.16.11 # sell for $400 each in september 10.16.12 # any objection to fs 646 from anyone? 10.17.15 # fs 6464 sorry 10.17.27 # what kind of fancy filesystem (?) is that? 10.17.43 # ? 10.17.59 # yeah I don't know, I'm on vicodin, don't listen to me :p 10.18.40 # in fact...I am going to sleep now, 'night :) 10.49.55 Nick kclafk is now known as xmaskclaf (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 11.01.30 Nick DreamThief|off is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.07.45 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.10.07 Join newt` [0] (i=newt@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 11.14.21 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different") 11.17.10 Join swartz [0] (n=wswartze@66-233-65-123.red.clearwire-dns.net) 11.17.19 Nick newt` is now known as jeffb (i=newt@unaffiliated/newt/x-00000001) 11.17.28 # For the iPod, do I have to keep Apple's firmware? 11.18.25 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 11.18.33 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 11.19.15 Quit swartz (Client Quit) 11.22.18 Join rretzbach [0] (n=robert@dslb-084-062-048-130.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.22.29 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.24.00 # amiconn: i fixed that problem by changing the order of the libraries in the linker command. Putting -lgcc last fixed it (previously, -lmad was last). I don't understand though... 11.24.51 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 11.24.57 Join Seedy [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 11.29.12 Quit theli_ua ("Leaving") 11.33.20 # linuxstb: do you rekon it would be ok to commit fs 6464? (replace the current playlist with a new folder/file/etc?) 11.33.43 # .. or anyone else even 11.34.08 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@rexanker.bcnadsl.com) 11.36.33 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 11.42.02 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.44.25 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.46.39 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 11.47.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.51.26 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 11.51.31 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 11.52.49 Quit zylche (Remote closed the connection) 11.53.10 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host35-205-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.54.14 # dan_a: Should the create_thread_on_core() be working in current CVS (if I increase NUM_CORES to 2) ? 11.54.17 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-24-175-97-250.houston.res.rr.com) 11.55.29 # JdGordon: just give me some old thing that can run rockbox :P 11.55.40 # ? 11.55.45 # linuxstb: I think so - I'll just check through Barry's last patch and see that there was nothing else that needed to be added 11.56.04 # daurnimator: shhuoldnt you be proting it to the archos you have? 11.56.12 # heh 11.56.14 # yeah 11.56.20 # but... i just don't want to anymore 11.56.33 # i have everything i want on it now cept wavpack & ogg 11.56.50 # if i use rockbox, i won't be ablt to use the awesome stuff i already have 11.56.51 # Which Archos do you have? 11.57.01 # gmini 402 is my day-to-day player 11.57.35 # Does archopen run on that? 11.58.11 # * linuxstb found it impossible to find information on the archopen site 11.58.13 # yes 11.58.23 # i can direct you around if you want 11.58.28 # or maybe just answer your Qs 11.58.34 # linuxstb: No, it isn't - we haven't got a kernel running on the COP in CVS yet. 11.58.42 Nick cendres_ is now known as ashes (n=ashes@modemcable085.56-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) 11.59.06 # I was simply trying to find out a) Exactly what medios is - i.e. is it a complete firmware replacement like Rockbox, or does it use parts of the existing OS; and b) What devices it works on, and how well each one is supported. 11.59.41 # and pendig those answers.. ill swap my h320 for it if you want :D 11.59.57 # 1, depends on device, previously yes, but on newer devices, no one has bothered with a bootloader, and people have used the original firmware as a launcher 12.01.12 # But when medios is running, does it then replace the existing firmware. i.e. does medios contain drivers for all the hardware itself? 12.01.41 # yes, it does 12.02.40 # I also saw a link to a firmware downgrader for the 402 - does that mean you have to run an older version of the Archos firmware in order to use medios? 12.02.43 # 2, Archos: JBMM, AV1XX, AV3XX, Gmini 400, Gmini 402, Gmini 402CC, AV400 12.03.30 # Yes, the most stable exploit works best on firmware 1.3.11. We can run it on other firmwares, but it sometimes crashes for no reason during medios boot. 12.04.22 Quit markun (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.04.45 Join markun [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 12.06.00 # daurnimator: OK, thanks. 12.06.18 # JdGordon: temp swap would be fun' 12.06.42 # linuxstb: you planning on doing anything with their code? 12.06.56 # they DO have code in there for dm320 stuff ;) 12.07.46 # I'm thinking about maybe possibly considering a 402 port. A dm320 port would open up a lot more targets to Rockbox. 12.08.56 # Apart from medios, we will also have whatever code Neuros can/will open. 12.10.12 # heh, i can also help with that 12.10.21 # everything is out there that they legally can 12.13.31 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend") 12.15.10 # linuxstb: Now that Llorean has done a battery test, I don't see anything holding us back from putting kernel-on-cop in CVS. Do you? 12.15.57 # No, I say commit. 12.16.06 # * Llorean agrees. 12.16.32 # Mainly because there's lots of us currently working on it. 12.16.32 # linuxstb: have you looked at their src? 12.16.46 # daurnimator: Only very briefly. 12.17.21 Join clownish [0] (n=fabian@p54A7764E.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.17.38 # if you want to have a go at something basic, gligli's site has basic code that runs (not medios - just little apps) 12.18.19 # hi. i have an gerneral question about the iriver h10 with rockbox... can i load it while playing or will this cause problems? 12.18.54 # load what while playing? 12.19.16 # daurnimator: I think I remember that site. Do you have a link? 12.19.51 Join cd_rom [0] (i=cd_rom@user-514f447c.l3.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk) 12.20.08 # scorche: the battery:/ 12.20.37 # linuxstb: grab this: http://sfx.gligli.free.fr/gmini/402/402_1311_exploit_sourcecode_v2.zip 12.20.43 # doesnt the device run off the battery? 12.21.09 # its a little toolchain thingy for making apps that just run on the arm side 12.21.12 # clownish: You mean charge the battery whilst playing? 12.21.21 # and the trick to make them into the exploit 12.21.32 # linuxstb: yes thats it. sorry my english is not realy god 12.21.36 # good 12.22.09 # usb 2.0 seems to be stuffed o my computer :'( 12.22.28 # JdGordon: what OS? 12.22.37 # linux and windows 12.22.54 # it used to work? 12.23.00 # rmmod ehci_hcd makes the usb device work, but only at 1.1 speeds... 12.23.04 # worked up till last week 12.23.16 # usb 3-5: device descriptor read/64, error -32 12.23.21 # and you didn't uninstall the drivers? ;) 12.23.53 # i get unrecognised device in windows, so i actually tihnk the hardware is stuffed 12.25.36 # tried other ports? 12.25.51 # yeah 12.26.27 # got a pci card to test? 12.26.44 # no :( 12.27.03 # i'd help you.... but i use mine 12.27.21 # linuxstb: so can i charge it while playing? 12.27.27 # wait, i think i took it out and gave it to a friend 12.29.06 # Wow, the build table is almost as clean as I've seen it in a long while. 12.29.16 # clownish: you mean play your ipd (listening to the music) and charging it at same time? 12.29.21 # ipod* 12.29.33 # cd_rom: He has an iRiver H10 12.29.38 # oh, i see 12.29.51 # then i don't know. Never own one :'( 12.29.52 # clownish: You should be able to hold a button while inserting the USB cable, but I cannot remember which button. 12.30.23 # JdGordon: you wanna swap iriver/archos for a week or so 12.30.31 # cd_rom: yes, but its a iriver h10 12.30.52 # Llorean: hold the button for what? 12.30.56 # clownish: [11:29] then i don't know. Never own one :'( | :D 12.31.15 # cd_rom: oh, sorry 12.31.24 # it's okay! 12.31.45 # daurnimator: going on holidays next week so i need my iriver... but mayber later in jan 12.32.01 # heh, actually, i'm in the same position 12.32.12 # clownish: I said I don't remember which button to hold. But if you hold it down while inserting the USB cable, it should prevent USB mode, and allow charging while using Rockbox. 12.32.40 # i'm going to qld on 2nd 12.33.00 # im goign t lakes entrance on the 2nd 12.33.04 # Llorean: ah okay. but i dont mean the usb cable just the normal ac-adapter(?!) 12.33.12 # mm... qld... nice n warm 12.33.35 # clownish: What happens when you plug it in normally? 12.33.53 # * JdGordon wonders if plugging the front panel usb ports into the motherboard wrongly would affect the rest of the pots? 12.35.07 # Llorean: nothing... the red light of the ac goes on... 12.35.23 # So, why do you think it's not charging? 12.35.53 # JdGordon: i don't know about that, but if you match the wires wrongly, you will at worse fry any devices plug in 12.36.03 # i did it once 12.36.10 # :S 12.36.25 # I thought maybe the data pins were backwards.. pulling the cables didnt effect it so i guess they were correct 12.36.45 # * JdGordon realises everythin stopped working when i cleaned and rebuilt the comp on monday 12.37.19 # JdGordon: upgraded your comp? :D 12.37.32 # i wish :p na, cleaned out the dust 12.37.43 # Llorean: i hate my english. i try to ask if its save to charge while playing. btw, whats happen when i dont turn the ac off when battery is full (because im not at home or something)? 12.37.59 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97CBC.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.38.46 # JdGordon: sorry to hear that! 12.39.44 # clownish: The charging should be hardware controlled. It is safe. 12.40.40 # Llorean: okay.. thank you... sorry again 12.41.12 # No problem. 12.42.59 # linuxstb: I'm just going over this patch again. So far I've always used a common current_tick across the two cores (it gets incremented by the timer interrupt on the CPU). Is this correct? Or should each core keep its own tick count? 12.43.20 # I can't think why you would need two tick counts. 12.43.36 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 12.43.51 # That's OK then. 12.45.48 # linuxstb: did you get that zip? 12.46.12 # daurnimator: Yes thanks, but I haven't looked at it. I'm working on other things now... 12.46.50 Part clownish 12.47.22 # Can someone quickly confirm that http://www.weirdo.org.uk/rockbox/kernel-on-cop-for-commit.diff doesn't break iPods or H10s? 12.47.23 # :P 12.47.34 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.163.130) 12.49.17 # * linuxstb has to run, back later. 12.49.24 Quit linuxstb ("Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.0.2/20050317]") 12.51.49 # barrywardell: Good morning! Would you be able to do a quick test for me on your H10? 12.51.56 # yeah, sure 12.52.07 # an good morning to you too! 12.52.58 # I'm about to commit the patch to get a kernel running on the COP. Can you test that http://www.weirdo.org.uk/rockbox/kernel-on-cop-for-commit.diff doesn't cause horrible problems? 12.54.30 # ok, i'll test it now. is it based of the one in the tracker? or something else? 12.55.24 # It's the one in the tracker without making the codec thread run on the COP, but with current_tick moved to IRAM. 12.55.49 # It doesn't seem to boot on my Sansa, though. Hmph. 13.01.06 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 13.05.32 # dan_a: rockbox doesn't boot with that patch applied 13.09.11 # I can't see why it doesn't, though. Meh, it's fine if I #define NUM_CORES to 2 13.10.19 # is CURRENT_CORES a proper define in kernel.c? 13.10.31 # or should it be CURRENT_CORE or NUM_CORES? 13.11.00 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 13.11.15 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=Ioannis@88.218.17.202) 13.11.44 # barrywardell: Nice catch, thank you. It should be NUM_CORES 13.12.49 # i'll see if that fixes things 13.15.34 # still doesn't boot 13.21.00 # dan_a: is there any need to add the cop_irq_stack yet? 13.21.14 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F28FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.23.13 # barrywardell: We run the timer interrupt on the COP (as well as the CPU), so it's possible that the stack is being used. I think I need to check the disassembly to see that. 13.24.44 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.24.59 Join [Gino] [0] (n=Gino-Tem@pool-71-254-108-147.ptldme.east.verizon.net) 13.25.03 # ah, ok. 13.25.12 # dan_a: i think you missed a bit in config.h 13.25.53 # or was that intentional? 13.26.28 # barrywardell: The bit to change NUM_CORES to 2? 13.27.01 # yes, and to define CURRENT_CORE to be current_core() 13.27.30 # how do you convert a video for upload to youtube (windows)? 13.28.18 Quit jeffb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.28.32 # Wouldn't that be something you just check at their site for? 13.28.52 # barrywardell: I'm going to set that before committing (it was an error on my part, but I don't want to commit it until it will work with NUM_CORES = 1) 13.30.35 # nope :P 13.31.19 # I have a fix for fs 6270 (no voice in sound menu), the problem is that pcmbuf_set_low_latency() is called before the menu is run. the fix I did was just reimplement menu_run() in the sonud_menu()... should i ifdef that for only SWCODEC? or not worry aobut it? 13.33.03 # barrywardell: I think I've found the problem: I was waking up the COP even if we only wanted to run on one core. 13.33.59 # dan_a: i was just about to suggest the same thing. i'm about to tet 13.36.39 # dan_a: using the original cop_main() if NUM_CORES <2 boots fine :) 13.37.36 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 13.38.09 # barrywardell: I've done it by only doing the COP_CTL = PROC_WAKE in init() if NUM_CORES is 2 13.38.43 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 13.39.12 # both should do the same thing. but what happens if something else wakes the cop? 13.41.49 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 13.42.11 # Good point. Nothing seems to, but I'll do it your way for safety. Does playback work correctly with NUM_CORES set as 2 and CURRENT_CORE correctly defined? 13.42.37 Quit theconley (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.44.03 # yes, playback works. i don't see a main thread on the cop though 13.45.22 # Damn. Can you see and difference between my patch and yours apart from in playback.c? 13.46.08 # anyone with an ipod around? 13.46.28 # nao 13.46.30 # ? 13.46.34 # yep 13.46.42 # no, but now that I think about it, I don't think I always got a main thread with my patch either 13.46.44 # nano* 13.46.54 # cd_rom: the yes/no screen... does it ask for the wrong button to accept? 13.47.35 # what yes/no screen? 13.47.50 # hold down select on a dummy file and go delete 13.48.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.48.04 # Llorean: ping? 13.48.12 # dan_a: while we're on the subject of the cop. does the cache need to be invalidated every time the cpu/cop sleeps/wakes? 13.48.18 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.48.32 # JdGordon: give me few sec 13.49.38 # barrywardell: As long as the CPU and the COP are not using the same variables, I don't think so. 13.49.52 # JdGordon: Select = yes, other = No 13.50.15 # pressing select cancels it tho right? 13.50.33 # yep 13.50.37 # confirm! :D 13.50.52 # hmm... select is the better button for yes than play isnt it? 13.51.32 # yes, imo 13.53.27 # scorche: ping? 13.54.01 # JdGordon: Present. 13.54.20 # hey, select shuold be used for accept like the screen says right? 13.54.30 # Yes. 13.54.30 # or shuold the accpet mesage be changed? 13.54.41 # I say, change the key. 13.54.57 # right, on its way 13.55.13 Quit cd_rom (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 13.55.23 # Select makes sense as a "confirm" button, at least to me. 13.56.04 # also means no code is needed to handle scrollwheel mis-presses 13.56.10 # commited 13.56.19 # That too 13.57.09 # 2 bugs down... another hundred odd to go :'( 13.57.16 # dan_a: indeed, i don't see a main thread on the cop with my patch. i do remember seeing it at one stage though 13.57.36 # Llorean: what do you tihnk about 6464? 13.58.23 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 13.59.09 # barrywardell: If there isn't a main thread, that means that things aren't working correctly. I'll hold off on committing just now, but if you work out what's stopping it working then feel free to put it in 13.59.33 # (It might be something as small as needing another thread before the main thread will show up) 13.59.40 # JdGordon: I think that I like it, other than the "Replace" name. I prefer something like "Play Next" as that, to me at least, suggests that playback won't stop, but will continue onto the new selection rather than through the current list. 13.59.50 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 14.00.36 # i agree... its ready to commit, play next is better than replace? 14.00.44 # wont that be cofusing with insert next? 14.00.51 # .. or maybe not 14.01.26 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 14.01.51 # Maybe "Restart Next"? 14.02.57 # hmm play next sounds better.. 14.04.07 # Replace just sounds to me like it'll interrupt playback, replacing the current song with the selected one. 14.04.28 # When you "Play" a song by clicking on it, it starts a new playlist, so "Play Next" seems to me like it'll start a new playlist, next. 14.05.29 # restart sounds odd tho. That really sounds like it will interupt playback 14.06.41 # "so "Play Next" seems to me like it'll start a new playlist, next." <- well thats bassically what it does 14.06.46 # Yup 14.07.02 # That's why I suggested Play Next first. :-P 14.07.02 # so that wording works? 14.07.04 # For me, yes 14.07.07 # forgive me.. its 12.06am here :p 14.07.34 # Hehehe 14.08.59 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 14.09.06 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.09.49 Join markun_ [0] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 14.11.19 Quit [Gino] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.11.29 # hey guys 14.11.53 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.11.53 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 14.12.12 # i asked this earlier so appologies for the repost, but... Is there a way to have database running as a separate menu option? The mains reason is so that I can play music using genre's and still browse to images and movies 14.12.19 # might be that I'm using rb incorrectly though 14.12.36 # not yet 14.12.49 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.13.53 # the easiest way to do it would be to load database into ram and have it a menu option, while still keeping rb proper in browser mode 14.17.59 # hey you guy still want a picture of rb on a gigabeat 14.20.58 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 14.21.22 Quit darkless ("Leaving") 14.24.10 Nick DreamThief|off is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.30.00 Part Llorean 14.30.20 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.33.26 Join jba_ [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 14.39.25 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.41.58 Quit jba (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.42.08 Nick jba_ is now known as jba (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 14.42.31 Quit lex (Remote closed the connection) 14.43.05 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=Ioannis@88.218.17.202) 14.45.10 Join cd_rom [0] (i=cd_rom@user-54422e53.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) 14.48.28 Join Hdaackda [0] (n=klj@202.69.55.134) 14.48.31 # hello 14.49.14 # can I use the Loader 2 with my ipOD video (5.5g 30gb)? or only the rockbox bootloader works? 14.49.47 # yes 14.49.55 # .. i tinhk :p 14.50.14 # JdGordon: you fixed that select button?! 14.50.20 # i did 14.50.31 # :D 14.50.56 # JdGordon: the latest compiled cvs has it? (fixed select button?) 14.51.05 # yes 14.51.56 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 14.53.02 # umm, but the changelog shows the chages were made on 26 dec, the CVS build is only there for 25th.. 14.53.50 # dan_a: it was enabling frequency scaling that made the main thread appear. i haven't figured out why 14.53.59 # Hdaackda: your american right? 14.54.08 # nah, pakistani 14.54.19 # (but the times showed are in GMT) 14.54.43 # you clock is wrong... its the 26th 14.55.18 # dan_a: that's using the cpufreq4 patch from the tracker on top of your kernel-on-cop-for-commit 14.55.57 # mine is showing the 26th. The one on the rockbox.org says the latest cvs is compiled on 25th 14.56.16 Quit zylche (Remote closed the connection) 14.57.21 # anyways, just downloaded the latest "bleeding edge download" :) 14.58.07 # * JdGordon is confused... 14.58.07 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.58.21 # Hdaackda: the version string in rockbox says the 25th? 14.58.47 # yes 14.58.57 # haha odd... 14.59.00 # which build? 14.59.04 # target i mean 14.59.07 # umm, wait 15.00.05 # the link on the mainpage for the latest download for ipiod video is: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20061222.zip 15.00.33 # the latest cvs build is: http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-12-25%2016:04:04.html 15.00.59 # which link on the main page? 15.01.01 # ouch 15.01.13 # the DAILY build is correct. 26th 15.01.25 # maybe you need to refresh ro soething? 15.01.45 # here (for the first one). http://www.rockbox.org/download/ 15.01.50 # yeah i think i need to. 15.01.54 # thanks 15.01.55 # http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip always points to the latest cvs 15.02.30 # ok 15.02.42 # g2g check it out. thanks man 15.02.45 Quit Hdaackda ("Bye") 15.03.26 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.03.40 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.03.40 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 15.06.01 Quit cd_rom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.11.16 Part gonnet ("pouet") 15.21.12 Join Tommmo [0] (n=chatzill@CPE-60-224-94-78.vic.bigpond.net.au) 15.21.31 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f0664b92568e9e92) 15.21.47 # hiya is any1 having trouble downloading the latewst relases? 15.21.53 # or is that just me? 15.22.26 # cant update my h10 rockbox 15.23.18 Quit Tommmo (Client Quit) 15.24.38 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.27.00 # lostlogic: with all versions of the kernel-on-cop patch, i only get a main thread on the cop if i remove the ipod_set_cpu_frequency() from system_init() 15.29.17 # lostlogic: i also get a LOT more responsiveness when running the codec on the cop and with the eq on 15.46.41 Quit Genre9mp3 (Remote closed the connection) 15.47.07 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.47.46 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=Ioannis@88.218.17.202) 15.48.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.48.23 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 15.56.48 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.59.49 # barrywardell: hmm 16.00.03 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 16.02.33 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 16.07.16 # barrywardell: which player are you? on my 5g I definitely get a main thread. 16.07.21 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 16.07.23 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.07.29 # H10 16.07.41 # i have a sansa too but haven't done much testing on that 16.08.17 # that line is only ever reached if frequency scaling is disabled, which is the case on the h10 16.08.25 # but not the 5g 16.09.08 # ah. 16.11.36 # barrywardell: just wrap that call in a if (CURRENT_CURE==CPU) 16.11.45 # because it should only be done once 16.12.09 # and it's getting called a second time when the 2nd core tries to start up which prevents the main thread from finishing and getting to it's wait loop. 16.12.13 # good point. i'll test that now.. 16.12.31 # (fixing my typo, of course) 16.12.51 # actually, it's already wrapped in if(CURRENT_CORE==CPU) 16.17.46 # gah, so it is. 16.17.57 # that's... odd. 16.21.32 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC") 16.23.53 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-0-2.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 16.23.57 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 16.24.13 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-0-2.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 16.26.03 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 16.27.41 # I wonder if dan's last comment about needing another thread is where we should look -- I had a feeling that thread_init didn't really initialize the threading API completely *rereads* 16.27.52 # lostlogic: using the code for cpufreq4 inside ipod_set_cpu_frequency() makes me have a main thread again 16.28.27 # lostlogic: i currently only have 1 thread on the cop - the main thread 16.29.15 # ooh, cool! 16.30.03 # well hopefully this'll all hit CVS soon and we can start hacking on optimizing the codec thread for running alone and reducing memory thrashing. 16.30.37 # did you see dan_a's patch he wanted to commit to CVS? it just creates a thread on the second core 16.31.28 # the only thing stopping him committing it was that the main thread wasn't running on the cop on my h10, but he was happy for it to be committed after that was fixed 16.34.03 Part Nibbier ("bei uns hat noch niemals nicht koana koan durscht ned ghabt") 16.34.05 Quit Genre9mp3 (Remote closed the connection) 16.36.40 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.03 Join cd_rom [0] (i=cd_rom@user-54422e53.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) 16.47.09 # yep, I read the backlog 16.47.15 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 16.51.25 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=Ioannis@88.218.17.202) 16.56.41 Quit cd_rom (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC") 16.58.25 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.59.44 Quit perpleXa ("Leaving") 17.01.17 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.04.23 Join metateck [0] (n=metateck@12-219-72-225.client.mchsi.com) 17.04.32 # how do i install a theme? 17.04.56 # i tried just copying everything in the zip to the themes folder and playing the .cfg but that didnt seem to work 17.05.11 # and the manual doesnt really help on installing themes 17.07.19 # only the .cfg file must be in the themes folder 17.07.22 # They go into .rockbox on your ipod. 17.07.37 # not into the themes folder? 17.07.47 # oh nevermind i just figured it out 17.07.49 # thanks 17.07.59 # the .wps file and the folder with the bmps must be in the wps folder 17.08.06 # They tend to be inconsistent in how they unpack. 17.08.23 # don't forget to install the fonts pack btw 17.08.35 # there is just one right? 17.09.34 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20061226.zip 17.09.53 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 17.10.20 # thats a bad link 17.10.29 # but i installed the fonts pack already 17.11.45 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.11.58 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 17.11.58 # lostlogic: can you test this patch http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/kernel-on-cop-for-commit-v2.diff 17.12.18 # oh... it's because there were problems with the server these days 17.12.25 # when you're testing, make sure to disable adjustable cpu freq in config-xxx.h 17.13.17 # it's dan_a's patch with a couple of bugs fixed and with a new ipod_set_frequency() 17.14.31 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.15.18 # will test w/ and w/o. 17.16.35 # great, thanks. you're looking for a just main thread on the cop. and for things to be working generally as before the patch (eg music playback, ets) 17.16.47 # yep 17.17.01 Join steven [0] (n=steven@d54C251AB.access.telenet.be) 17.18.32 Join cd_rom [0] (i=cd_rom@user-54422e53.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) 17.18.36 # I've installed rockbox on an iriver h10 and it's great! The next step is to connect that device within amarok, any suggestions are welcome 17.18.57 Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 17.19.06 # steven: you can just use your h10 as a regular disk when using rockbox on it 17.20.11 # just make sure it's in ums mode and copy files over. 17.20.15 # what? you can install amarok in to your iriver h10? 17.20.27 # cd_rom: no 17.20.35 # oh 17.20.37 # lol 17.20.39 # i think he wants to use amarok to sync his music 17.20.56 # i was almost faint when i saw that! 17.21.00 # oh, you didn't tell me that I hafta change NUM_CORES my damn self 17.21.40 # barrywardell: I've done that in ums mode to install rockbox, but if anyone has experience with using that device under amarok with rockbox as firmware, don't hesitate to shout it out 17.23.20 # lostlogic: oops, sorry. forgot about that bit. 17.26.01 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.26.18 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.31.56 # barrywardell: well on 5g, w/o adjustable frequency it runs at 11mhz or something insane like that and so doesn't really work... but since we don't run the 5g w/o adjustable cpu freq I'm not too worried about that 17.34.00 # ok, so it runs at least 17.34.14 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.34.32 # how can you tell how fast it's running? just by the ui performance? 17.38.24 # 11mhz is the default frequency defined in config-ipodvideo.h and therefor the frequency reported on the audio thread screen... but mostly the performance 17.38.35 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.38.39 Quit shattered (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.40.22 # lostlogic: my ipod_set_cpu_frequency should change the frequency to 11mhz. looks like it's not getting run on you ipod for some reason... 17.40.31 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54934153.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.40.41 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 17.40.48 # to 11mhz? 17.41.04 # no, to 75MHz 17.41.11 # typo 17.43.23 Quit cd_rom (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 17.44.19 # lostlogic: if ipod_set_cpu_frequency() is not getting run a all then that would explain why you were always getting a main thread on the cop while I was only getting one once I fixed up ipod_set_cpu_frequency(); 17.44.26 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 17.48.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.48.11 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 17.48.11 Quit jborn_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.48.16 Join jborn__ [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 17.48.18 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 17.48.37 Join karim [0] (n=karim@ip-155.net-81-220-245.rev.numericable.fr) 17.50.18 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.50.31 # barrywardell: yeah, that method seems not to apply to the 5020 17.50.59 # barrywardell: er no, HATE 17.51.22 # whatever, I'm in ifdef hell 17.51.36 # * barrywardell is in ifdef hell too 17.52.03 # ipod_set_cpu_frequency() is for PP5020, ipod_set_cpu_speed() is for PP5002 17.52.20 # yah, so set_cpu_frequency should be called on 5g and h10 17.53.40 # yeah, should be. and should set the frequency to 75MHz. are you sure there's nothing else causing the sluggishness (eg. eq or something)? 17.54.01 # quite -- it was slower than unboosted. 17.54.06 # even before I hit play 17.54.48 # plus, I run w/o priority scheduling, so the music woudl skip not the UI sluggish if it was running at normal speed 17.55.09 # set_cpu_frequency() is for when frequency scaling is enabled. ipod_set_cpu_frequency() is for disabled and only gets called once (in system_init()) 17.55.33 # yah 17.56.00 # was the performance like that previously with frequency scaling disabled? or is it the new ipod_set_cpu_frequency()? 17.56.05 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Remote closed the connection) 17.57.18 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p549654BA.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.00.30 # beats me, I'll revert and try 18.02.20 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD53AD.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.02.39 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 18.02.40 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.07.14 Join pixelma [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 18.13.01 # barrywardell: with the old ipod_set_cpu_frequency and no adjustable, it is full speed UI, but still reports 11mhz in the audio thread screen. 18.15.02 # the number in the audio thread screen is just a hardcoded value read from config-*.h iirc 18.15.07 # That's because without adjustable cpu frequency, the frequency is just a #define 18.15.30 # ...which _should_ reflect the true value, but doesn't for ipod 18.15.35 # hehe 18.16.27 # amiconn: so it seems that your comment on the memory being the bottleneck was probably on the money because with the codec thread on the COP and not yielding I can still cause audio skips by playing in the UI a lot (w/o priority scheduling) 18.17.00 # Either that, or it's a scheduler problem 18.17.18 # which seems less likely since I removed the concept of yield from the codec api for those test 18.17.21 # s 18.17.44 # (redefined yield to codec_yield() {}) 18.18.09 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 18.19.50 # When you guys talk about memory bottleneck, you mean like Rockbox is asking more of it than iPod/iRiver ever did, or that you haven't figured out how to access it right (ie, dualport or whatever..) ? (not that I could help, I just LOVE reading on your researches) 18.20.46 # PaulPosition: could be either one -- we may be inefficient in our use of memory bandwidth, or there may be additional access modes that the original firmware used that we do not know about / aren't taking advantage of yet. 18.21.14 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 18.22.18 # thanks. 18.23.56 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 18.25.40 Join jernst [0] (n=jernst@d83-189-154-59.cust.tele2.ch) 18.26.32 # hello everyone, I'm helping a friend to whom I have installed rockbox (but he is now some thousand kilometers away so I have no physical access to his ipod video) 18.26.59 # He says that when he is putting his ipod on the outlet charger it is rebooting continuously 18.27.26 # I read that pressing "menu" while putting the USB cable in the device could help but it doesn't seem so 18.27.31 # lostlogic: I wonder is my new ipod_set_cpu_frequency() actually setting a really low frequency, or is it doing nothing and leaving the ipod at the default frequency? I wonder what happens if you make ipod_set_cpu_frequency() do nothing? 18.28.30 # jernst: if the device was off it'll just go through that cycle, he'd need to boot it into disk mode (hold select and play while booting) or the apple firmware (hold menu while booting) to use the charger outside of rockbox 18.28.53 # if rockbox was running just holding menu should work 18.30.01 Join wanna5grock [0] (i=d5aee59a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a1922649556147aa) 18.30.09 # hi rockbox'ers .. 18.30.50 # does anyone know if rockbox works on the 5g ipod video 80gig yet? 18.32.19 # hcs: thanks, but he says it doesn't work. Does the power indicator work ? 18.33.39 # nobody knows about rockbox on 5gipod? 18.33.53 # wanna5grock - Nope. 80gig is 5.5th generation and as far as I know it isn't working yet. The thread in the 'Other Ports' (or is it 'new ports'?) part of the forum will *most certainly* be updated when anyone finds a way to crack it open. 18.33.54 # (he says the ipod is charging when used with a computer and USB cable but not using the power outlet charger) 18.34.21 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 18.34.26 # for a 5G, what should the battery capacity be set to? I'm running latest CVS 18.35.39 # paulposition: thanks, i'll try to keep up to date with the threads in the forums .. just thought the IRC would be the place for bleeding edge news/details. 18.36.05 # i'm wondering also if there's anything i can do with my ipod80gig in the meantime to assist the project? does it just need to be reverse engineered and a driver written? 18.36.49 # jernst: with the computer it will reboot into disk mode and interface via USB, with the power charger it will reboot into disk mode, notice there isn't actually any usb connection besides the power, and reboot, and when rockbox comes up it will just reboot again 18.36.53 # and i'm guessing that the 5g in this post refers to the 303gig 5g: http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog/?p=26 18.37.07 # jernst: it needs to be explicitly booted in disk mode 18.37.55 # hcs: I see, will tell him 18.37.58 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A95791.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.39.22 # on dual core targets I think we should take the codec out of IRAM and let the core figure out caching it and work with a smaller pcm buffer in iram instead of in dram. that's what I think. 18.39.57 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 18.42.23 # hcs: thanks it finally worked 18.42.25 Part jernst 18.44.25 Nick DreamThief|off is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.44.43 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.44.47 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54984F55.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.47.52 Join hotwire__ [0] (n=hotwire@69-17-132-197.kingkom.com) 18.53.58 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-4570aea6.dyn.optonline.net) 18.54.35 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 18.58.17 Join evilnick [0] (i=evilnick@bb-87-82-26-98.ukonline.co.uk) 18.59.14 # Hi All, can someone point me in the direction of the irc log when the "ignore 'the' in alphabetic sort" patch was discussed please? 19.00.32 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.02.08 # i.e. which day this was? 19.03.34 # Look at when the task was closed, and look shortly before that in the IRC log. 19.03.44 # ok, ta 19.04.39 # To summarize though, "People can simply name their files properly." 19.05.10 # Yeah, I understand that theory, but it's far far nicer to have the proper artist name, but have them sorted in a more logical fashion 19.05.48 # I tend to have the proper naming in the tags and organize the filesystem for easy access 19.05.52 Quit wanna5grock ("CGI:IRC") 19.05.53 Join jeffb [0] (i=newt@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 19.05.57 # If you're going to go down the codesize route then why support anything other than "English" ASCII, or L-R scrolling etc. 19.07.06 # Because you can't get around the lack of foreign language support or limited screen width by simply renaming files? 19.07.25 Quit hotwire_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.07.59 # if it's important... patch it into your own copy and post a build up, I"m sure some people would like it :_P 19.08.09 # I do see your point, I'm just sad as it's one of the very few remaing things I'd like to see in RB officially. 19.08.22 # lostlogic: that's why I'm getting the vmware image right now 8) 19.08.29 # :) 19.08.44 # I can't see how it's even a *small* deal. How much time do you really spend staring at your filetree thinking "Gee, I wish the The were in the front of that line, rather than the rear..." 19.08.59 # Llorean: you do a battery test with kernel_on_cop_6.diff that I posted to compare to your other two battery tests? I'm guessing a few percent better. 19.09.35 # lostlogic: I'll begin charging my Nano now. It's quite dead at the moment, but once it is I'll run the test and let you know the results. Is the patch on the tracker? 19.09.38 # It's mainly for when you are looking at a list of artist names and the order just looks (to my eyes) "wrong", with a big clump down amongst the T's 19.10.00 # Llorean: yeah, posted a link in the task. 19.10.11 # Llorean: thanks for abusing your battery for the betterment of science. 19.10.15 # lostlogic: Alright, I'll give it a try once the Nano's charged then. 19.10.21 # evilnick: Use TagCache then. 19.10.35 # My folder structure is: Initial letter/artist name/year - album/track# - title 19.10.40 Join webguest94 [0] (i=4630f3de@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a78704143744a8a8) 19.10.45 # I understand with some trickiness in the tagnavi.config, you can get proper sorting. 19.10.53 # Llorean: is there an auto-way to do this? 19.10.59 # I still think the right solution isn't to improperly sort filenames, but rather to allow the use of sort-tags. 19.11.03 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.11.26 Quit webguest94 (Client Quit) 19.11.26 # evilnick: No, there's not an automatic way to do it. 19.11.45 # Llorean: agreed. I'll search the forums for the correct syntax within tagnavi.config. 19.11.55 # lostlogic: I've CVS up'd since then, but I doubt any changes in the last 12 hours are going to make a terribly large battery life difference, ought they? 19.13.35 # correct, no changes in CVS will impact battery life. 19.14.39 # Alright, I'll give it a run once the Nano's charged. 19.15.29 # lostlogic: i can't remember if i mentioned earlier, but that patch definitely makes a noticable difference on my H10 (after i fixed up the frequency thing) 19.15.34 # good work :) 19.15.46 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.15.59 # barrywardell: yeah, for the first time we have a reason to run dual core :) 19.16.19 # If it means less boosting, it'll actually improve battery life, won't it? 19.16.31 # Llorean: yeah, that's what I spect 19.16.43 Nick DreamThief|off is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A834D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.16.51 # barrywardell: what do you think of my theory of taking the codec out of IRAM and putting a smaller pcm buffer in IRAM for dual core targets? 19.17.08 # But then, I've had a gut feeling for a long time we were losing power to the COP. Just one of those arbitrary "I have no reason, but it seems like the kinda misfortune that'd happen" 19.17.23 # Llorean: :) 19.17.41 # another theory I have is to put the codec on the CPU and run the COP at 1/2 clock and put the other threads on there. 19.18.21 # Well, do we need to do that? 19.18.35 # I mean, we boost to decode, which goes from 35 to 70(75?) 19.18.59 # 30-75 19.19.00 # Mightn't there be a point where we don't really need to boost very often, if at all, that results in a nice, fast UI like the people always say they want? 19.19.10 # I suggest it as a power saving measure 19.19.19 # right now we seem to run both cores at the same clock 19.19.19 Join sloth [0] (n=gwhite@216.183.191.85) 19.19.25 # by 1/2 clocking the COP we could save power 19.19.28 # True 19.20.47 Join webguest26 [0] (i=51ebb86b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5de14fceaab827a9) 19.21.15 # is the codec output buffer (pre DSP) in IRAM or DRAM? 19.22.18 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@rexanker.bcnadsl.com) 19.23.09 # lostlogic: i don't really know much about the codec code. i only started looking at it after looking at the dual core stuff 19.24.06 # I can't remember, and I know I used to know. 19.24.41 # have you gotten the 2 cores on PP to execute concurrently now? If so, congratulations!! Now it should be one step closer into adding sound to the video player :) 19.25.22 # lostlogic, barrywardell: I'm back now and just reading through the logs from earlier. 19.25.41 # webguest26: techincally dan had them working a while ago, we just finally got some tangible benefit from running on two cores. 19.27.18 Quit steven ("Ex-Chat") 19.28.11 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Remote closed the connection) 19.30.57 # lostlogic: When you talk about moving the codec out of IRAM, do you mean the code or the data? 19.31.15 Join bleaked [0] (i=bleaked@75-128-196-221.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) 19.31.41 Quit jeffb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.32.27 # so, if i use rockbox basically 100% of the time.. but still use the apple firmware when transferring.. is it worth it to update the apple firmware? (nano, 1st gen) 19.32.53 Join jeffb [0] (i=newt@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 19.33.01 # * dan_a is amazed at the number of people doing stupid things to their Sansas 19.33.23 # dan_a: like what? 19.33.45 # Putting various files in recovery mode, rather than just the MI4 19.33.49 # dan_a: code 19.34.28 # dan_a: when the codec is sharing cache with other threads, IRAMing code makes more sense than when it has a core to itself 19.34.47 # Like installing Rockbox without knowing how to get it off again first, ignoring all the "it's not finished and not everything works" posts and overwriting their bootloaders with random rubbish so that they can't get into recovery mode! 19.35.00 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 19.35.28 # sounds like they are starting to learn from the ipod crowd 19.35.28 # ah 19.35.28 # * scorche ducks 19.36.14 # I got a sansa for christmas.. just been reading the rockbox source 19.36.41 # lostlogic: I think that linuxstb did some tests which basically found that having code in IRAM doesn't give any benefit on the PP502X machines. However it does make a difference on the PP5002 (ie the 3g iPod) 19.36.44 # not sure what the point of installing it is since there's no sound yet 19.37.09 # tsuyoshi: I can summarize it: "People want to play Doom" 19.37.13 # tsuyoshi: To help develop it, or to play games. 19.37.20 # oh.. so does doom work? 19.37.27 # Doom works 19.37.43 # (with no sound, obviously) 19.37.52 # dan_a: Few of the ones who want to help develop manage to follow the instructions that badly though, I imagine. 19.37.52 # I see 19.38.07 # * Llorean hasn't managed to brick his Sansa yet. 19.38.30 # scorche, at least it's next to impossible to brick an ipod.. 19.38.36 # hmm 19.38.51 # Llorean: I think the people who've (effectively) bricked their Sansas just wanted to be 31337 19.38.53 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client") 19.39.08 # dan_a: yeah, I remember something about that. 19.39.18 # dan_a: I love how the response to "It doesn't seem to work" then becomes "So I tried this list of crazy things, and now it REALLY doesn't work" 19.39.21 # so if I was to help with the sansa port.. should I start by disassembling the firmware or what 19.39.41 # on vorbis at least, the decoded audio to insert into the pcm buffer is returned on DRAM not IRAM, we can probably improve our memory bandwidth utilization if we're brave enough to try moving that around. 19.39.44 # bleaked: i was referring to their practices and methodology....but yes, they are just being supid with a device that is easier to brick than the ipods 19.39.56 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 19.39.58 # oh...at least...heh 19.40.00 # bleaked: It's actually moderately hard to brick a Sansa too, you have to go a moderate distance off of the instructions we've given. 19.40.02 # * scorche still needs to wake up 19.41.21 # You can't really even brick an ipod unless you write to flashrom 19.42.10 # tsuyoshi: There are a few things that can be done. The disk driver can be improved (it needs to return error conditions, and it would be good if it did DMA.) The video driver seems to fail about 1 time in 20 for me, which I guess is a timing issue. Disassembling the firmware to find out about the things we do not know yet would be good. 19.42.32 # hmm, for an ipod video, I would use the base device (/dev/sdb) for ipodpatcher, not one of the partitions? 19.42.49 # yup 19.42.53 # ok, thanks 19.42.57 # ipodpatcher /dev/sdb -l 19.43.03 # will list what you have on it 19.43.31 # Soap: there? 19.43.54 # lostlogic: That makes sense. Can we try that without moving the codec code out of IRAM, or is space too tight? 19.44.25 # not sure, hard to tell because the vorbis codec uses ogg_malloc which uses that terrible fake codec malloc. 19.45.11 # dan_a: is there a list of things we need to figure out? 19.45.46 Join webguest56 [0] (i=54b31fe8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-87cd9f625e4b12b1) 19.45.51 # to you guys make use of arm emulators at all? 19.46.15 # some of orig manufacture firmware code does fancy to throw off dissembler tools I've found 19.46.19 # wow! 19.46.24 # that was one painless install 19.46.29 # *fancy stuff 19.46.33 # <-- still waking up 19.46.53 # all I've seen really is this page: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html 19.47.44 Part webguest56 19.48.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.48.38 # tsuyoshi: We're doing fairly well. We may need somebody to reverse engineer the audio codec - we know what chip it is (AS3515), but can't get a data sheet. The USB seems the same as the USB in the Freescale i.MX31, which is documented. I think that's all we have found which isn't on daniel.haxx.se 19.48.48 Quit sloth (Nick collision from services.) 19.49.26 Join Sloth [0] (i=purkerss@wildturkey.cn.oregonstate.edu) 19.49.26 Join debauched_sloth [0] (n=gwhite@216.183.191.85) 19.49.58 # Sorry dude, gota quit trying to jack my nick :p 19.50.32 # sorry, my bad, I'm swpping 19.50.35 # swapping 19.50.41 # hehe im just giving your crap ;) 19.50.46 # :) 19.51.17 # jeffb: We don't tend to use emulators as a rule (somebody might do, though.) Sometimes the OF does things like remapping memory, which can make reading the disassembly more difficult. 19.51.33 Part Sloth ("Leaving") 19.52.08 # dan_a, yup, how do you get around such issues? I've seen stack tricks too that set the PC to something different 19.52.20 Part pixelma 19.52.22 # seems like a simulator might help 19.52.32 # jeffb: In general, we don't pay too much attention to what the original firmware does. 19.53.00 # jeffb: I don't know, I can read disassemblies about as well as I can read Martian! 19.53.31 # sure, but say you need to figure out how the orig does HD transfers using DMA 19.53.56 # sometimes you have to look into the firmware for that kind of stuff 19.54.41 # Are the stack tricks just returning from a subroutine? In ARM, they often push the LR on entry to a subroutine, and then pop that value back to the PC 19.55.44 # nah, it's some kind of computed address in the relative to some position in the firmware and then it is put on the stacked and then popped into PC 19.55.58 # bah my typing is horrible in the morning heh 19.57.48 # let me wake up and I'll try explaining again 20.00.37 Join Darksider [0] (n=psychost@host81-152-117-140.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) 20.00.46 # * dan_a wonders how so many Sansa owners aren't able to power off in Rockbox 20.00.48 Quit Daishi (Remote closed the connection) 20.01.01 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.01.07 # can rockbox be installed on the 2nd gen nanos? 20.01.14 # no 20.01.15 # dan_a: I suspect they just never hold it long enough? 20.01.28 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 20.01.49 # is there any alternative to the mac firmware out there that might run on 2g nanos? 20.01.56 # no 20.02.06 Join The-Thilo [0] (i=54a4f578@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-63016f3b2933ba41) 20.02.12 # that sucks...ok well, thanks anyway 20.02.14 Quit Darksider (Client Quit) 20.02.30 # yo scorche 20.02.47 # Llorean: Yes, but... it still makes my mind boggle. 20.03.38 # hi all 20.04.20 # can anyone help me with installing rockbox on my ipod 5.5g ? 20.04.30 # what kind of 5.5g 20.04.40 # this is awesome, just got my headphone amp, between the para EQ in rockbox and now gain staging the 5G iPod, the sound is fantastic 20.05.21 # test 20.05.31 # dan_a: After the number of times I've seen people miss the connection between an error message and their install failing, I think my mind is unbogglable. 20.05.34 # The-Thilo, what kind of 5.5g? 20.05.42 # sdf 20.06.19 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC") 20.06.23 # 30gb 20.06.47 # omg if i write something it takes about 2min to send 20.07.08 # I could sure use the flashrom from your 5.5g 30gb 20.07.13 # :) :) 20.07.38 # have somebody icq who can help me ? -.- 20.08.25 # if yes my icq nr is 291130265 "Sklaventreiber" 20.09.14 # You haven't even asked any questions yet. What part of the install instructions doesn't work for you? 20.09.38 # jeffb do you have icq ? i cant write here it takes 2 min to send 20.09.51 # or add me my icq nr is 291130265 20.10.35 # Llorean, is it okay for me to post a request on your forums for a specific flashrom dump? 20.11.13 # The-Thilo, I don't have icq 20.11.17 # jeffb: Sure, put it in General Discussion, and I'll move it to Announcements, make the topic "Request for iPod 5.5G 30gb user" or something. 20.11.38 # Llorean, I have a special patched build of ipodlinux that makes it easy to dump 20.13.08 # Hopefully you'll get a useful response then 20.13.23 Part BetaKookies 20.14.05 Join _DreamThief [0] (n=mathias@p54A829D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.14.50 Join webguest91 [0] (i=44c23ec2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-841c1c413a3d7cbe) 20.15.10 Quit DreamThief (Nick collision from services.) 20.15.18 Quit barrywardell () 20.15.28 Nick _DreamThief is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A829D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.15.52 Quit webguest91 (Client Quit) 20.15.58 # Llorean: I've been trying to follow the IRC chat on the COP, but feel as if I'm not seeing the whole picture. Is there anything I can do to help test? 20.16.15 # omfg 20.16.23 # i reconect 20.16.26 Quit The-Thilo ("CGI:IRC") 20.17.26 Join webguest49 [0] (i=54a4f578@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fe969e1a888e41d2) 20.17.28 # Soap: I dunno, I'm just a guinea pig in all this. dan_a, barrywardell and lostlogic are doing all the work. 20.19.16 Join The-Thilo [0] (n=asd@p54A4F578.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.19.18 # hi 20.19.30 # me again ;) 20.19.30 Quit webguest49 (Client Quit) 20.19.34 # now irc works 20.19.35 # :) 20.19.45 # cool 20.19.54 # can u help me now ? :) 20.20.12 # i have got a ipod 20.20.19 # Soap: At the moment, the most useful thing to know is that having the COP turned on doesn't use more battery than having it turned off. 20.20.22 # 30gb 20.20.24 # 5.5 20.20.32 # i tried to install rockbox 20.20.35 # dan_a: and has that been confirmed? 20.20.35 # The-Thilo, are you a linux user? 20.20.45 # for Soap loves the runtime testing. 20.20.48 # no i use windows xp 20.21.06 # if i try to open ipodpatcher 20.21.18 # it close agan 20.21.23 # after a very short time 20.21.35 # The-Thilo, the 5.5g 30gb is a special installation 20.21.42 # Soap: I've done a runtime test on my Nano with and without the kernel_on_cop_5.diff with identical runtimes, but there's a new version which actually *might* show the coprocessor slightly increasing runtime 20.21.48 # jeffb: It's not special 20.21.55 # jeffb: The install instructions are the same for all supported iPods 20.22.03 # so can u explain it to me ? i would be very thanksfull 20.22.09 # Llorean, even the 5.5g with a sector size of 2048 bytes? 20.22.12 # Yes 20.22.15 # hrm 20.22.20 # jeffb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 20.22.31 # The new ipodpatcher.exe is very intelligent. 20.22.33 # i know my english is very bad -.- i am right that u dont speak german ? 20.22.42 # ah 20.22.48 # The problem is that he's just double clicking on the file rather than following the instructions and using the command prompt 20.22.59 # right 20.23.58 # dan_a: do you want runtime tests? 20.24.09 # can you explain me why the ipodpatcher is closing after opening ? 20.25.46 # The-Thilo: You must use "Start" and then "Run" and then type "cmd" Can you understand that? 20.26.21 # yes okay 20.26.29 # i work in it 20.26.40 # so i understand something about this ;) 20.27.04 # what i have to type in the cmd window ? 20.27.35 # C:\ 20.27.44 # cd rockbox 20.27.51 # ok 20.28.02 # ipodpatcher --scan 20.28.08 # ahhh 20.28.11 # now i understand 20.28.12 # :) 20.28.23 Join myzar|away [0] (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 20.28.32 # ipod found 20.28.47 # thx :) 20.28.55 # You're welcome! 20.28.56 # so i try to go on with the manuall 20.29.28 # if i have one more question i come again 20.29.29 # afk 20.30.25 # dan_a, lostlogic: Okay, I've begun a new battery bench with the new patch. 20.30.33 # hmm, I can get to the bookmarks section of the wps context menu, but hiting select on 'create new bookmark' seems to do nothing? 20.30.37 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 20.31.29 # Llorean: Thank you. 20.31.52 Join webguest43 [0] (i=41bdf751@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-083b98f5bbf8b9f0) 20.31.56 # Hey 20.32.03 # hey 20.32.22 # does anyone know when rockbox will come out for 2nd gen ipod nanos? 20.32.32 # webguest43: No 20.32.43 # It won't be soon. 20.32.56 # do you know like how many months? 20.32.59 # like 6 or so? 20.33.12 # impossible to say 20.33.12 # webguest43: There's absolutely no way to predict that. 20.33.18 # webguest43: Assume never, and hope that it's sooner. 20.33.22 Quit PaulPosition () 20.33.42 # not sure if anyone knows about this, but i used to throw various games on my TI graphing calculators.. one of the best games by far was Fall Down.. (basically a ball is constantly falling, while horizontal bars with random holes scroll up, while you navigate the ball through the holes so it doesn't touch the top).. 20.33.59 # well, i was wondering if something like this could ever come to rockbox? 20.34.27 # bleaked: There's no reason why someone couldn't program that. 20.35.15 # well then does anyone know any 2nd gen ipod nano hacks i can do? 20.35.25 # ask #apple 20.35.48 # This is #rockbox, and is specifically about the Rockbox firmware, rather than "things you can do to various players" 20.36.06 # well.. i guess to rephrase.. do you know if anyone has considered writing it? to me, it's one of those staple games.. like bricks, tetris, pacman, jewls, etc.. 20.36.19 Quit webguest43 (Client Quit) 20.36.33 # i think he was asking if there was an alpha or something available for 2nd gen ipods 20.37.01 # webguest43, to which there probably is not at the moment. 20.37.04 # bleaked: There's a game similar to it, in a way, on the misticriver forums. But generally games get made by people who decide they want to make them, and aren't really planned or anything. For example, you could go and make it. 20.38.06 # Llorean, oh i would do it in a heartbeat.. but i have basically no programming skills.. but i'm learning ruby with hopes to move to c.. so perhaps in the future :D 20.38.08 # You could always post a feature request, and link to the TI-calc game. 20.38.20 # good idea 20.38.28 # I mean, the feature requests tracker is there for exactly that sort of thing. 20.38.40 # To give people who can program, but don't have any idea what they want to make, something to look at. 20.39.00 # it's not really a big deal.. i rather see dev resources go into audio playback and UI improvements. 20.39.18 # wel 20.39.23 # ok.. i'll submit one 20.40.22 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.43.50 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@237.62-50-186.enivest.net) 20.43.58 # Llorean, are you a programmer for rockbox? 20.44.35 # jeffb: The number of lines of code that I have included in Rockbox can probably be counted without running out of fingers and toes. 20.44.47 # heheh 20.44.52 # :) 20.46.07 # But there are a few of them, and I watch over the forums, and at some point when I wasn't looking they sneaked my name into the credits along with all the others. 20.46.35 # how dare they... 20.47.20 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A829D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.47.35 # I have a patch for rockbox that will dump flashrom to flashrom.bin in root dir. Is that something you guys would care about? 20.48.23 # how is this ment : 20.48.37 # 1 ipodpatcher [device] -a 20.48.45 # 2 bootloader-video.ipod 20.48.52 # have i write this in one line 20.48.57 # or send 2 times ? 20.49.23 # jeffb: It should probably be an option in the debug menu. 20.50.37 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 20.51.02 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.202) 20.53.11 # The-Thilo: ipodcatcher /dev/youripod -a bootloader-video.ipod 20.54.02 # but regardless, this is what it looks like:http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=overviewcc5.jpg 20.54.07 # oops 20.54.15 # scorche, wrong window. 20.54.20 # i figured 20.54.32 # mhh 20.55.22 # how i can see if the installation is succesfull ? 20.55.44 # it seams to look good 20.56.02 # but there is nothing other like before 20.56.09 Quit Genre9mp3 (Remote closed the connection) 20.56.59 Nick daky is now known as waky (n=sleepy@m6s02.vlinux.de) 20.57.59 # mhh i think it doesent work 20.58.16 # does somebody can help me in this installation ? 20.59.03 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.202) 20.59.09 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 21.03.06 # what's the problem? 21.03.11 Nick Nimdae_ is now known as Nimdae (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 21.03.16 Quit Genre9mp3 (Remote closed the connection) 21.03.28 Join theprodukkt [0] (n=Vito@88.134.6.184) 21.03.57 Join EspeonEefi [0] (n=espeonee@cpe-66-61-52-30.midsouth.res.rr.com) 21.04.01 # hello all, ive a nonrockbox according problem 21.04.10 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 21.04.29 # according partitioning my new 500gb sata drive 21.04.30 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terinjok@c-24-129-27-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 21.04.33 # and installing win on it 21.04.43 # hey! how's the earth spinning? 21.04.51 # and what made you think that #rockbox was the right place to ask this? 21.05.06 # * Terinjokes quickly graps all the WPSs before the server dies again 21.05.11 # wow... 21.05.14 # just 21.05.14 # wow... 21.05.14 # well, here sit experienced ppl 21.05.18 # ^^ 21.05.18 # how i can install the firmware ? :-/ 21.05.28 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 21.05.29 # /join #rockbox; i have a nonrockbox issue 21.05.30 # and here sits a support channel dedicated to one purpose 21.05.33 # theprodukkt: This is #Rockbox, go find other experienced people in a channel where that's actually an appropriate question. 21.05.41 # that's like doing /join #linux; i have a windows issue 21.05.49 # oh 21.05.51 # ok im sry 21.05.57 # nimdae, they problem would help (i've done that before) 21.05.59 # thought u'd be smarter 21.06.27 # theprodukkt: Well, we thought that people joining would be smarter too, I can see we were both wrong. Goodbye. 21.06.30 # can someone explain me how i could install the firmware on a 5.5 30gb ipod ? 21.06.39 # video? 21.06.47 # The-Thilo: the wiki install instructions work for your ipod. 21.06.49 # well, the folks at my isp are pretty smart, but i don't go bothering them about problems with beating half life 2 21.06.59 # The-Thilo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 21.07.16 # thanks :) 21.07.17 # Nimdae, i bother my webhost with questions like that LD 21.07.52 # I was getting to that mr all-links-are-hotkeyed-Llorean. 21.07.53 # the newest link of firmware for the video ipod dont work 21.08.06 Join |AhIoRoS| [0] (n=ahioros@201.224.122.227) 21.08.07 # what link The-Thilo? 21.08.14 # This channel is an endless source for entertainment, for all the wrong reasons :/ 21.08.27 # actually, i used the new instructions recently on my ipod to update the bootloader and it worked fine 21.08.35 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipod%20video.ipod 21.08.35 # this 21.08.42 # on rockbox page 21.08.47 # Why do you say it doesn't work? 21.08.55 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.09.06 # cause i wantet do download it 21.09.08 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod 21.09.18 # you have to delete the space 21.09.20 # Llorean, Soap: my family thinks i love my ipod nano, so naturally they got me tons of itunes giftcards, what am I supposed to do with them? 21.09.26 # between ipod and video 21.09.35 # eBay 21.09.36 # Terinjokes: ebay? 21.09.36 Join Jelle-k [0] (n=jelle90@pie.xs4all.nl) 21.09.48 # give them to me? 21.09.48 # regift? 21.09.53 # but that isnt rockbox related either ;) 21.09.55 # The-Thilo: On this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta there is no space 21.10.05 # scorche, VLC seems to have figured out how to play itune-store songs... 21.10.11 # yes i dont talk about yor link ;) 21.10.19 # i talk about a link on the rockbox website 21.10.26 # Terinjokes: even when iTunes isn't installed? 21.10.30 # The-Thilo: The Rockbox website is a big place, WHERE on it? 21.10.50 # i would bet itunes has to be installed 21.10.54 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 21.10.55 # yes, on Linux/unix systems 21.11.01 # if u click on the download 21.11.11 # lol 21.11.17 # in 2.23. 21.11.19 # 2. 21.11.30 # there have to delete a space 21.11.32 # nice catch on the manual The-Thilo, but use the wiki page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 21.11.37 # That's out of date, then. And a typo, as there should never be a space in a URL. 21.11.45 # Soap, from what all I understand, VLC simply needs the user file, from any iTunes installation (from any computer) 21.12.08 # okay 21.12.26 # dan_a: If you want any testing done, keep me in mind. 21.12.47 # it supports AAC but i see no reference to DRM AAC 21.13.10 # nimdae, rockbox has no DRM support 21.13.26 Quit bleaked (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.13.48 # you said vlc plays itunes music in reference to being able to do it on rockbox 21.13.51 # itunes music is DRM 21.13.56 # or rather has DRM 21.14.24 # i hope rockbox (one day) could play the itunes DRMed songs 21.14.34 # not likely to happen 21.14.40 # to do so would require violating the DMCA 21.15.05 # i never said *officially* 21.15.05 # did you guys know you can truncate the apple firmware free'ing up more space in ram? 21.15.20 # I got it down to 1meg and it loaded successfully 21.15.24 # Why should it even unofficially support DRM? 21.15.31 # it will never unofficially do it as long as it's a violation of the DMCA 21.15.32 # You should not buy DRMed music. 21.16.11 # Llorean: rephrase: you should not pay for DRMed music, because you never actually OWN it 21.16.34 # That's better, yeah. 21.16.36 # :P 21.16.41 # i'll just un-DRM it the legal way... 21.16.49 # um 21.16.52 # there is no legal way 21.17.01 # removing DRM is a violation of the DMCA 21.17.02 # with that, I sign off, catch you later, good luck developers, bbl 21.17.20 # i love the DMCA, it makes life so pretty 21.17.28 # Nimdae: You assume that he lives in the US, and with iTunes, burning a CD and reripping doesn't violate the DMCA. 21.17.32 # erm, use iTunes to burn a CD of the songs.... 21.17.46 # It would in most cases, but Apple gives written permission to do so. 21.17.52 # Llorean: right, but that license doesn't allow you to make additional copies, IE: ripping the burned cd 21.18.15 # microsoft/urge is the same way 21.18.30 # it allows a backup copy, if the orginal just happens to be deleted from the computer, i'll just use my back-up... 21.18.38 # Nimdae: Actually, Apple has told users to rip the CD in the past, for putting music on non-Apple MP3 players. I would say instructing a user to do it is "permission" 21.19.02 # i'd have to see that before i'd commit to it 21.19.12 # but i have heard of companies saying similar things 21.19.24 # Of course, it's not blanket permission. 21.19.36 # You'd have to get Apple to explicitly give you as an individual that instruction. 21.19.38 # i had a video game company tell me to have a friend copy a game cd for me since my cd was damaged and they wouldn'ts end me a new copy 21.20.10 Part Terinjokes 21.20.47 # the only other way to replace the cd wsa to buy another copy and i told them i'd cancel my account with them if that was their solution 21.21.26 # Well, it was an MMO I assume then? 21.21.26 # wow, vlc runs on beos? i didn't think beos was still around 21.21.33 # yeah, it was a mmo 21.21.37 Quit theprodukkt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.21.46 # Yeah, I can see MMO companies giving that sort of instruction. 21.22.16 # * Llorean wishes battery benchmarks could be accomplished much more quickly. 21.22.20 # that's one thing i like about steam (all the games you can get through it) and guildwars...no cd required to install 21.22.44 Join theprodukkt [0] (n=Vito@88.134.6.184) 21.23.13 # it's a world of high speed connections these days, that needs to become the norm 21.24.15 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.51 # Nimdae: not having a cd for the games on steam can really suck sometimes, but this is getting pretty offtopic 21.26.10 # yeah, that's why i decided to do something else 21.26.47 # mhh how i can fix this error : while booting ther is shown Rockbox error-1 loading the orginal firmware 21.26.49 Join Sanit [0] (n=undergro@213-202-181-133.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 21.27.04 # The-Thilo: That means you haven't extracted rockbox.zip onto the player 21.27.06 # you guys know about the Diagnostics mode on the 5g iPods? 21.27.09 # mhh 21.27.12 # i have -.- 21.27.18 # the .rockbox folder ? 21.27.26 # And the rockbox.ipod file 21.27.33 # no, on apple firmware 21.27.37 # ahh 21.27.48 Quit ashes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.27.52 # i think i havent copyd this file 21.28.10 Join ashes [0] (n=ashes@modemcable085.56-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) 21.28.10 # The-Thilo: So, as I said, you didn't extract the rockbox.zip onto the player. 21.28.14 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 21.28.16 # okay 21.28.18 # thx 21.28.25 Quit ashes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.28.42 Join ashes [0] (n=ashes@modemcable085.56-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) 21.28.45 # Sanit: This is #Rockbox, not #iPod, the diagnostics mode isn't really something that is of concern. 21.28.48 Quit ashes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.28.48 # i have also to copy bootpartition.bin ? 21.29.11 # The-Thilo: The instructions do not say to... 21.29.13 Join ashes [0] (n=ashes@modemcable085.56-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) 21.29.14 # I tought it might have information in it you might need... Just trying to help 21.29.20 Quit ashes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.29.43 Join ashes [0] (n=ashes@modemcable085.56-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) 21.29.47 Quit theprodukkt () 21.29.49 Quit ashes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.30.35 # hmm, can anyone help me with bookmarks in rockbox? 21.31.06 # I set 'bookmark on stop' to Yes, and 'load last bookmark' to Ask, but it doesn't seem to ask when I play a file after having stopped it to play another one 21.31.13 # it just starts at the beginning 21.31.26 # it works :) 21.31.28 # JUHU 21.31.37 # thanks to all who helped me ;) 21.34.39 # hmm, indeed, there are no files named '.bmark' on the ipod 21.36.31 # is this due to me using the database, maybe? 21.36.54 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 21.37.29 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.37.58 Quit Naked ("reboot") 21.39.39 Join _Margot_ [0] (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.40.04 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 21.42.45 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 21.45.04 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.45.52 Quit EspeonEefi ("Leaving") 21.45.55 # if rockbox is installed i cant load apple os anymore ? 21.46.48 Nick DreamThief|off is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A829D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.48.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.50.49 # which of the rockbox devices have a USB host? 21.51.07 # The-Thilo: no, turn hold on when booting... 21.51.21 # x1jmp: the x5 and h300, but usb-host isnt implemented in rocbox 21.51.22 # ah ok thx 21.51.47 # what can i do with rockbox what i cant with apple os ? 21.53.41 Quit Margot_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.55.50 # is there any other device with a host, to which a rockbox port is planned? 21.56.18 Quit |AhIoRoS| (Remote closed the connection) 21.56.18 Quit karim (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.56.18 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.03.48 Join EspeonEefi [0] (n=espeonee@cpe-66-61-52-30.midsouth.res.rr.com) 22.04.04 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.07.04 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terinjok@c-24-129-27-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 22.07.27 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.07.29 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.07.38 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.07.48 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.09.07 # The-Thilo: there's a features comparison on the wiki somewhere 22.09.19 # okay 22.09.22 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison#Apple 22.09.35 # where can i get tetris etc ? 22.09.52 # The-Thilo: Have you actually tried looking at the manual for answers *before* asking questions? 22.09.59 # For example, the plugin list? 22.10.31 # ouh sorry i didnt know that you are so angry if u have to answer something xD 22.10.53 # The manual was written so that you can find answers for yourself. 22.11.00 # okay 22.11.03 # thanks 22.13.04 # but the manual is english 22.13.09 # i cant really good english 22.13.22 # if i didnt understand something in chat i can ask again 22.13.24 # ^ 22.13.26 # ^^ 22.13.36 Join GodEater [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-15-60.bulldogdsl.com) 22.13.51 # btw what happened to tetrox? 22.13.55 # it was in CVS but now seems to be missing 22.13.56 # x1jmp: it was renamed 22.14.34 # The-Thilo: Asking after you read the manual is fine. 22.15.05 # you dont have to answer if it is so hard for you 22.15.10 # tetrox replaced rockblox? 22.15.18 # @ llorean 22.15.27 # x1jmp: tetrox was renamed to rockblox 22.15.42 # where i get this plugins ? 22.15.52 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.15.53 # The-Thilo: Llorean is proabbly the most patient person in the room, get on his bd side and its fairly likely your questino will get ignored 22.15.56 # The-Thilo: It's not hard, but we ask that *everyone* read the manual before asking questions. We have thousands of users, and a lot of people spent a lot of time writing the manual so that they could find answers for themselves. 22.16.11 Nick _Margot_ is now known as Margot_ (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.16.32 # okay 22.16.48 # i will read the manuall but understand nothing 22.16.48 # ^^ 22.17.10 # glad to hear that you already made up your mind about that... 22.17.23 # not because the manuall 22.17.30 # i like open source etc 22.17.32 # It's very unlikely that we can explain anything better than the manual, since we too will be speaking English 22.17.39 Quit muesli- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.17.49 # i tink the write is very good and so one 22.17.53 # but i am not really good in english -.- 22.17.53 # There's no place like ::1 22.17.53 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A829D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.18.24 # mmm. .I like the search function in the database, that's a nice touch 22.18.26 # i will not have fight with someone here 22.18.28 # so its okay 22.18.36 # i will google a bit ;) 22.18.36 # The-Thilo: Perhaps you could do the first German translation of the manual! 22.18.38 # * tehsmo needs to get more accurate with the click wheel, though. :) 22.19.20 # @dan_a so i have to understand english -.- 22.19.30 # how i can wisper to somebody ? 22.21.10 # The-Thilo: You have to understand the manual ;) And to whisper you do /msg 22.21.46 # although on freenode, you have to be registered and identified before it will go through 22.24.26 # scorche, unless you've turned off that function in your mode 22.24.50 # i realize that, but hardly anyone does... 22.25.28 # scorche: Some people do (or do it, then forget how to change back) 22.26.09 # yeah, but it isnt worth mentioning for general knowledge 22.26.23 # * Terinjokes wonders how to change his mode 22.27.35 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.29.42 # * Llorean hates having to make posts like that. =/ 22.29.42 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.32.06 # ok, i've added some modes to my username :D 22.38.40 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.39.23 # does play not work in the vkeyboard on anyone elses ipod? 22.40.32 # Llorean: whoops! 22.40.38 Quit muesli- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.40.55 # sorry about that... just give me some minutes to copy the text 22.41.14 # Genre9mp3: It's not a big deal, but one of the goals is to separate information from discussion, so there's never any need to sticky things and so people know where to go to actually look things up. :) 22.41.51 Part Terinjokes 22.42.35 Join Scottstone [0] (n=foxracin@207-195-68-155.estv.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 22.42.41 # hey i need help 22.42.49 Quit The-Thilo ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 22.42.56 # with doom on my ipod 22.43.03 Join The-Thilo [0] (n=asd@p54A4F578.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.43.04 # Llorean: Ok... I was thinking more MR-ish when posting this :) I'll upload it to the wiki now, feel free to delete 22.43.13 # Can someone help? 22.43.28 # Genre9mp3: No worries. :) I'll be deleting the whole thread now, is that okay? 22.43.29 # Scottstone: The Wiki probably can 22.43.40 # but 22.43.40 # sure, go ahead 22.44.02 # but when i plug my ipod to my computer, it doesnt come up as drive F it comes up as drive E 22.44.41 Quit The-Thilo (Client Quit) 22.44.44 # what do i do? 22.44.57 # Use drive E instead of drive F 22.45.03 # yeah but 22.45.06 # sell me your ipod for $100 22.45.06 # inside theres no Games folder 22.45.10 # liek it says 22.45.16 # theres 22.45.20 # Calender 22.45.21 # Scottstone: Then make a Games folder 22.45.26 # i did 22.45.27 # and i put 22.45.30 # rockbox in 22.45.32 # and doom2.wad 22.45.39 # and it doesnt show up in my games 22.46.14 # but, the weird thing is, that i have like 4 games on it 22.46.16 # When you say rockbox, do you mean rockdoom.wad 22.46.24 # yea 22.46.39 # can any ipod users replicate fs 6164? 22.47.19 # so what am i doing wrong 22.48.33 # JdGordon: I don't even understand it. 22.48.49 # Scottstone: What does it say when you choose "Game"? 22.49.03 # what dio you mean? 22.49.03 # like 22.49.06 # on my ipod? 22.49.17 # Soap: play music, then save your config with the menu item, if the bug happens it will load a new track intot he paylist 22.50.08 Join cd_rom [0] (i=cd_rom@user-5442e2ee.lns3-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk) 22.50.11 # when i go on my ipod, it has the games music trivia, brick, partachute and solitaire 22.50.12 # Scottstone: Yes, from the Doom menu 22.50.15 # save config /while/ playing music? 22.50.30 # doom isnt even on the list for some reason 22.50.30 # actually it shuoldnt matter 22.50.44 # Scottstone: What about when you are in Rockbox? It won't work on the original firmware 22.50.50 # Soap: the report is that the select actio happens after you quit the keyboard 22.50.54 Join webguest20 [0] (i=54980234@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7441951b969cfe76) 22.50.55 # k its oike this 22.51.10 # i go to games 22.51.10 # doom isnt even on the list 22.51.16 # Scottstone: Reboot into Rockbox 22.51.21 # Are anybody working on reversi for RB? 22.51.28 # and when i open my iPod up in my computer, there isnt even a games folder 22.51.38 # webguest20: dont think so... go for it :D 22.51.40 # dan, what do you mean? 22.51.56 # Scottstone: Have you installed Rockbox? 22.52.02 # I've heard there's a GPL code somewhere on the net 22.52.11 # I'll take a look 22.52.27 # the CVS build? 22.52.43 # Scottstone: Either CVS or the daily build 22.52.47 # JdGordon: I created a playlist of an album (10 songs), from the WPS went "menu", manage settings, save congig, wrote the config file by pressing the play button, it went back to the menu, hit play to go back to the WPS, and the track was still playing. 22.52.58 # well, no i havent 22.53.01 # webguest20: I don't think anyone is working on Reversi 22.53.05 # do i save it onto my ipod? 22.53.24 # Soap: ok, thanks 22.53.28 # Scottstone: Doom is a plugin for Rockbox, not a game for the original firmware 22.53.38 # dan_a: ok. I'll look into it and report back if I find out anything 22.53.45 # But i have rockbox.wad on my ipod 22.54.00 # orr 22.54.02 # rockdoom.wad 22.54.19 # Scottstone: but you don't run rockbox, read the manual 22.54.30 # dan_a: but I think it would be a nice plugin 22.54.48 # so i need rockbox on my ipod? 22.54.54 # Scottstone: yes 22.54.54 # Scottstone: Rockbox is an alternative firmware for several music players. Doom runs as a plugin for Rockbox. 22.54.58 # Yes 22.55.06 Part webguest20 ("bye") 22.55.12 # ,but will it change how my ipod looks and runs..? 22.55.19 # yes 22.55.24 # so basically 22.55.27 # its a new OS for it? 22.55.29 # yes 22.55.34 # .. oh 22.55.42 # but is there a doom for the orig OS? 22.55.45 # no 22.55.46 # No. 22.55.55 # but there's one for uclinux as well ;) 22.55.55 # slow Llorean 22.55.57 # how does rockbox look 22.55.58 # * cd_rom wished 22.56.01 # is there any pics of it? 22.56.06 # lol 22.56.15 # like running on an ipod 22.56.21 # Scottstone: Have a look at www.rockbox.org 22.56.31 # * cd_rom is handing over Scottstone his ipod 22.56.38 # there you go! 22.56.38 # im there.. 22.56.44 # what runtime test are you doing now Llorean? 22.56.46 # Scottstone: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpodNano/green.png for example 22.56.56 # Soap: The newest coprocessor patch. 22.57.06 # ok 22.57.10 # i have ipod vid 22.57.15 # Scottstone: all the screens you see with Album Art are unofficial and would require compiling on your part. 22.57.45 Quit Xerion (Connection timed out) 22.57.54 # Scottstone: 80Gb? 22.58.10 # no 22.58.12 # 30gb 22.58.30 # Soap: I'm comparing it to without the patch to see if there are runtime differences. 22.58.51 # but 22.58.52 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.58.52 # 80g is not supported yet, right? 22.58.54 # if i do get rockbox 22.58.59 # can i get rid of it? 22.59.07 # Yes 22.59.12 # yes 22.59.13 # you can even dualboot, choose OS at startup 22.59.32 # really? 22.59.37 # how? 22.59.46 # alright so could someone tell me how i put rockbox on my ipod? 22.59.50 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 22.59.51 # also it's just about impossible to brick an ipod; you'll always have the emergency disk mode to fall back on for restore processes 23.00.31 # Scottstone: It's in the Wiki 23.00.36 # .link? 23.00.50 # Scottstone: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 23.00.55 # should be from the site Scottstone! 23.00.55 # oops.. not for nano, sorry 23.01.30 # is the wiki more uptodate? 23.01.36 # * JdGordon is on a bug killing binge :p 23.02.03 # Scottstone: For installation instructions, actually, you should use http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta once you get to installing 23.02.13 # I read somewhere the wiki was outdated (which seemed a little odd to me) 23.02.25 # the wiki manual is... 23.02.29 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD7696.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.02.44 # the wiki itself isnt 23.02.52 # but i need to know how you can dualboot? 23.03.02 # Scottstone: r e a d 23.03.05 # that is in the FAQ 23.03.36 # ydo: The IpodInstallation wiki page was outdated because of the IpodInstallationBeta page. 23.03.41 # ok, this si wierd.. i got some odd errors after my commit, do i need to worry (or tell someone) about them? http://rafb.net/p/SDYZrs69.html 23.05.28 Join ashes [0] (n=ashes@modemcable085.56-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) 23.06.09 # k guys though.. 23.06.23 # if i want to to remove the OS but not my songs 23.06.23 # JdGordon: I'd say it looks like the commit mail won't get sent, but everything else is fine 23.06.25 # how do i do it? 23.06.53 # Scottstone: It's in the instructions. Basically you run one command 23.06.55 # Scottstone: Is your iPod a windows iPod? 23.06.59 # dan_a: ok, shouold i put that on the dev ml so bagder knows? or leave it? 23.08.02 # yes Llorean 23.08.17 # JdGordon: I don't know - definitely do if it happens again 23.08.17 # Then what part of the instructions said you would have to erase your songs? 23.08.22 # none 23.08.23 # but 23.08.24 # like 23.08.34 # my parents get pissed if i screw up my electronics 23.11.25 # then you shouldn't be doing it at all 23.11.37 # no offence! 23.12.01 # actually you could reset the device iirc from within itunes? 23.12.38 Quit jeffb ("Leaving") 23.12.46 # yeah 23.12.46 # but 23.12.50 # id lose all my songs 23.12.53 # and pics 23.13.02 # back them up 23.13.04 # Scottstone: Why would you? 23.13.16 # if you restore your ipod.. 23.13.41 # i only want to do this if someone tells me exactly how to do it 23.13.41 # because 23.13.41 # im a dumbass 23.13.45 # i never do things right 23.13.45 # lol 23.13.55 # then that's what the manual for 23.14.00 # yeah 23.14.01 # but 23.14.06 # i suck at that 23.14.12 # haha 23.14.17 # btw 23.14.17 # cd 23.14.23 # off topic: were you cg_rom? 23.14.34 # Scottstone: So you can't read a list of instructions unless someone is in IRC typing them to you? 23.14.41 # WTF? 23.14.48 # dan_a: that is correct 23.14.48 # XD 23.14.53 # i shoul tell you that you should learn to read first! 23.14.54 # :D 23.14.57 # ... 23.15.12 # this guy is pretty hilarious! 23.15.35 Nick hotwire__ is now known as hotwire_ (n=hotwire@69-17-132-197.kingkom.com) 23.15.37 # Scottstone: OK, I've typed really quickly. Check the log here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 23.15.45 # yes, haven't seen anything like it in a while :) 23.15.52 Quit ashes ("leaving") 23.16.06 # hahah 23.16.10 # * cd_rom nods toward ydo 23.16.25 # but seriously though 23.16.28 # which do i want 23.16.36 # bleeding edge build or daily build? 23.16.43 # * Scottstone :) 23.17.01 # dan_a FTW. 23.17.21 # Scottstone: There's very little difference (24 hours at the most,) so get bleeding edge 23.17.23 # Scottstone: daily 23.17.28 # :) 23.18.08 # doily doesnt work 23.18.18 # but 23.18.19 # bleeding does 23.18.22 # ive got all the fiels now 23.18.53 # Soap: I've been seeing Sansa users complaining that not reading instructions doesn't work for the last few days. I've almost achieved the patience of Llorean! 23.19.04 # why isn't there any stable releases in over a year? there could at least be a beta? 23.19.42 # alright.. back from my parents' house 23.19.43 # dan_a: I think there's a small bonus to Sansa users: Once their device is 100% unusable, they're not likely to come back. 23.19.52 # haha/// 23.20.00 # now to install arm cross compiler and disassemble firmware 23.20.03 # ydo: How is a beta a stable release? 23.21.02 # wtf my rockbox dl didnt have the fonts in it 23.21.06 # Llorean: do you have several branches in cvs? isn't there ppl commiting stuff that is questionable and half-done? 23.21.09 # ydo: There was a list of criterea made for the next stable release, which included getting rid of certain bugs. Unfortunately the evil developers were more interested in adding new ports and new features and new bugs than bugfixing so we never got there 23.21.17 # ydo: There are no branches in CVS. 23.21.32 # Llorean: true, switch to svn ;) 23.21.50 # ydo: That's planned for about two weeks from now 23.21.55 # cool 23.22.02 # Scottstone: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta#a_Download_rockbox_zip_and_rockb 23.22.06 # Maybe 23.22.11 # i got a different address.. 23.22.27 # from Llorean 23.22.34 # Scottstone: HOW?! 23.22.57 # Scottstone: i don't think you are serious at all 23.22.57 # ydo: There was a feature freeze working toward a 3.0 release, but a few significant mistakes were made in how we began the freeze (for example, we planned to add features DURING it, just specific ones) and so we eventually had to cancel the freeze due to loss of focus, only a few developers were still pounding at the bugs. 23.23.26 # ydo: As well, the were a playback code rewrite, but we lost the person who'd done most of that to significant real-world stresses, and nobody else really stepped in to finish stabilizing playback. 23.24.03 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 23.24.22 # Llorean: So for the next attempt at doing a release, we need to make sure that no-one has any Real Life getting in the way! 23.24.40 # or do a real freeze 23.24.56 # dan_a: The primary thing would be not planning to rewrite the playback engine during the freeze, I think. :-P 23.24.57 # real life never actually stops, after all 23.25.04 # you need at least two branches and need to commit early and often 23.25.19 # ydo: We seem to have survived fine without that so far. 23.25.19 # lalala.. configuration managment cliches, I'm sure you know what I mean 23.25.22 # So I'd hardly say "need" 23.25.23 # :) 23.25.31 # tsuyoshi: I was joking :) 23.25.38 # oh ok 23.25.44 # Version numbers are an artifact of the unwashed masses and are unnecessary for our work to proceed. :-P 23.26.05 # Besides, when we do release a 3.0, everyone is going to shout forth a resounding "THAT'S IT?!" 23.26.17 # k guys serious prob now 23.26.34 # Because people can't get it through their heads that the major version number increment is in relation to 2.5, not in relation to the current CVS state, because DUH, the current CVS state is basically an alpha of what may become 3.0 23.26.35 # that ipodpatcher thing i need to dl 23.26.47 # i open it, a dos thing coems up for about half a sec, then closes 23.27.03 # Scottstone: click start, run, enter "cmd" 23.27.09 # Scottstone: Follow the INSTRUCTIONS. Don't just click on things. 23.27.13 # Scottstone: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta#b_Opening_the_Command_Prompt_or 23.27.51 # Llorean: how many developers are you, I looked at the credits yesterday, it was something like 248? 23.28.13 # ydo: i think somewhere around 60 now 23.28.14 # ydo: I'd say there are about 15 active core developers, at a rough guess. 23.28.16 # ydo: Those are people who have contributed. 23.28.28 # I don't mean to complain, it just a pity if time is wasted mailing around diffs... 23.28.41 # * Llorean wonders why they'd mail around diffs. 23.29.25 # I mean, yes, in some cases, .diffs have to be exchanged. 23.29.25 # bah 23.29.25 # screw it 23.29.26 # cause they want to try things out on other ppl devices before commiting it to the trunk? 23.29.37 # i was only gonna use it to play doom like once 23.29.45 # too many instructions 23.29.54 # Scottstone: you can play .ogg too :) 23.30.16 # ydo: The simulators can be used for most non hardware specific stuff, and most hardware specific stuff only needs to be tested on one or a small sample of devices, since it's hardware specific. 23.30.37 # ydo: But there's also the patch tracker. If a developer is uncertain about a patch, they post it, and others try it. 23.30.58 # wtf is .ogg 23.31.11 # Vorbis 23.31.22 # are there known issues running the simulator on a 64-bit linux box? 23.31.51 # I'm crashing loading codecs - some load and play fine, but others fail and all seem to corrupt memory 23.32.38 # Llorean: but if several people want to code on the same things at the same time? 23.32.55 Join jeffb [0] (n=Jeff@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 23.33.19 # ydo: CVS deals with that 23.33.21 # ydo: If two people are working on the same thing at the same time, usually isn't that a sign of poor communication? Or do you just mean "touching the same file"? 23.33.38 # debauched_sloth: mp3 (i.e. libmad) is known to have 64 bit problems 23.33.41 # but do not want to disrupt the trunk, and work could be going on for months.. and the the trunk changes in these places.. the two or more developers need to do a huge cvs up and deal with integrating that.. its a hassle 23.33.50 # Most others should work fine 23.33.55 # ogg seems to be corrupting memory, but it is closer to working 23.34.05 # dan_a: no.. CVS is very bad at that.. bitkeeper is much better imho 23.34.05 # mp3 is very NOT working 23.34.13 # Last time I tried, ogg was playing fine 23.34.38 # ydo: So, what you're saying is that the whole time you were working, you wouldn't resync with CVS once? 23.34.38 # ogg plays, but then I get glibc memory corrupted skipping to next track - loading codec 23.34.56 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196) 23.35.12 # ydo: I've never used Bitkeeper - I use CVS for getting/committing Rockbox, and Git on my own machine to take care of the different things that I'm working on. 23.35.15 # Llorean: not if the changes were so heavy it made no point 23.35.25 # git is ok 23.36.22 Quit BobJonkman (Remote closed the connection) 23.37.53 # well.. nice chatting with you, need some sleep now 23.39.13 # sleep away! 23.39.14 # :D 23.39.59 Join yossa [0] (n=chatzill@chello081018216139.chello.pl) 23.41.49 # should I? 23.42.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes 23.44.06 # Soap: Aye, that's well representative of a good portion of our user base, but with slightly less patience than average 23.45.40 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 23.47.13 # Llorean: Less? Are you sure?! 23.48.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.48.18 # dan_a: The average user has enough patient to get Rockbox running, then say it looks like crap, get Doom running, say the controls suck, I think. 23.48.20 Quit Jelle-k () 23.48.40 # patience 23.48.47 # don't forget the middle steps. 23.49.01 # "Where can I get .wad files?" 23.49.08 # heh 23.49.12 # "Where can I get gameboy roms?" 23.49.18 # so I guess I have more patience? 23.49.19 # this one is hilarious: I know that Opera and Firefox both have ARM versions, so a port to RockBox shouldn't be too hard. 23.49.22 # Doom controls suck, but I can't fix them :( 23.49.29 # on sansa 23.49.37 # I do have to say though, that anythingbutipod.com users have caused me great fear in what we'll see an influx of once Sansa has sound. 23.50.27 # so the sansa is brickable? 23.50.29 # oh this scratchbox thing is cool 23.50.33 # Soap: Yes. 23.50.47 # yossa: Sorry, your patch had slipped my mind 23.51.12 # Soap: Only if you replace the Sandisk bootloader, or write random files to it in recovery mode. 23.51.17 # it is an inexpensive player. That alone is going to change the demographics. 23.51.31 # Soap: Neither of which do you even come CLOSE to doing unless you completely disregard the install instructions and just do random stuff. 23.51.59 # I'm thinking of picking one up. Recording possibilities? 23.52.05 # Built in mic. 23.52.07 # FM radio 23.52.22 # dan_a: don't get to it just yet. It would appear that it is incomplete. Once fully working and playable versions are done, I will update the patches. Not for doom though (at least anytime soon) 23.53.00 # well I guess the solitaire one is working as good as it will ever get. 23.53.02 # Soap: I'd say if Rockbox gets fully implemented on it, it'll make a very nice recorder. 23.53.20 # Line in, not just internal mic? 23.53.22 # ok guys 23.53.27 # i have rockbox on my ipod 23.53.39 # how di i make it so i can choose my stuff at the start 23.53.44 # Soap: I'm not sure if it's by way of headphone socket, or dock port, but I'm almost sure there is one. 23.53.44 # yossa: OK - give me a poke when you think that anything is ready for committing 23.53.51 # allright 23.54.00 # Llorean, when you have a min, could you tell me how to make it so its like dual thingy 23.54.14 # it is dual boot by default, Scottstone 23.54.43 # no 23.54.47 # it auto loads rockbox for me 23.54.50 # it defaults to Rockbox, and if you boot, and switch the "hold" switch on as soon as you see the Apple Icon, it will boot into Apple firmware. 23.55.05 # i tried the dual booting stuff on my sansa last week, and it just showed me some errors when i tried to boot to sansas orig firmware, was that a known problem thats been fixed? 23.55.15 # Juice^: It works fine for me. 23.55.26 # Juice^: It probably means you've not decrypted the OF 23.56.08 # ah. yep thats right. i need to run the decrypting tool 23.56.13 # i forgot :) 23.56.31 # guys help! 23.56.41 # how do i make make it dual boot 23.56.46 # it auto starts up as the rockbox os 23.57.07 # Scottstone: [22:54] it defaults to Rockbox, and if you boot, and switch the "hold" switch on as soon as you see the Apple Icon, it will boot into Apple firmware. 23.57.51 # ok 23.57.56 # sweet thanks guys! 23.58.01 # wheres the doom tut?? 23.58.03 Quit debauched_sloth (Remote closed the connection) 23.58.07 # i wnat to put doom on my ipod now 23.58.07 # lol 23.58.36 # In other news, my friend has actually travelled to China, and being the entrepreneurial guy he is, he managed to contact an electronics manufacture owner who would like to invest in our country. 23.58.55 # Scottstone: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom 23.59.01 # thanks llorean