--- Log for 30.12.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 12 hours ago 00.00.07 # Llorean: MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 program stream. 00.00.52 # linuxstb: Got it. 00.00.58 # PaulPosition: No, I don't. I'll be encoding test files for all LCD sizes (we now have too many...), so I'll try and remember 128x128. I assume your LCD has square pixels? 00.01.05 Join webguest36 [0] (i=91740560@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d71bcf58abb222fa) 00.02.26 # dionoea: The Nano can do about 29fps full-screen with audio. My ipod Photo can just about manage 24fps at 16:9 "full-screen" (i.e. letterboxed 224x128). The gigabeat can handle fullscreen 320x240 with audio... 00.02.37 # Coldfire targets will struggle... 00.02.42 Part atrus_ ("Ex-Chat") 00.02.58 # (and the patch won't work on Coldfire at the moment). 00.03.08 # linuxstb - Indeed, the H10 has square screen of 128x128 so I assume square pixels :p 00.03.10 # nice :) 00.03.36 # This is with video decoding on the COP for the PortalPlayer targets. 00.03.41 # The main CPU is doing the audio. 00.04.28 # linuxstb - I'm well aware that it is about utterly pointless to look at video on a device such as mine. Yet I'd like to see it work. :p 00.04.38 # video decoding includes conversion from YUV to RGB and display ? 00.04.58 # Yes. That's something I'm considering splitting between the two cores. 00.06.15 # PaulPosition: You could try the 176x128 video. I _think_ mpegplayer will just crop it for you. 00.07.12 # let's see :) 00.08.16 # linuxstb: what do you think about video+audio on the 5G? 00.08.22 # Can I ask for command line help with the VLC transcode? 00.08.25 # hahaha 00.08.28 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.08.42 Join webguest00 [0] (i=5299a09c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1da1080d3c96a67d) 00.08.55 # It seems embarrassing to try and compete with the Broadcom chip... 00.08.57 # I'm not all too familiar with VLC, but I figured a quick hack of the .bat would be fine, but "--sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,acodec=mp3,vb=256,ab=128,width=%WIDTH%,height=%HE 00.08.57 # IGHT%}:es{access=file,mux=ps,dst=%1.mpg}" doesn't seem to work 00.09.21 # I've never used VLC... 00.09.21 # well, i doubt we'll be able to use it in the near future, right? :) 00.09.27 # =/ 00.09.29 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@c-24-61-147-199.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 00.09.45 # remove the es thing 00.10.04 # and put :std{mux=ps,access=file,dst=file.ts} 00.10.07 # linuxstb - Nope.. With larger file, Plugin returned error. No problem, though, I'll fiddle around with playing some music and see if I can trigger a freeze or two .. :p 00.10.07 # Llorean: You may need to resample the audio as well, depending on the input. 00.10.32 # errr ... file.mpg 00.11.14 # dionoea: Thanks, I'll see if that works 00.11.21 # do we really need to decode video at such high fps? I think the ipov videos use 15 fps 00.11.25 Join tipok [0] (n=tipok@officesw.wnet.ua) 00.11.50 # midkay: Currently, mpegplayer can decode 320x240 video at around 21fps on a single PP core. That's without the conversion from YUV to RGB and blitting to the LCD. So if the second core could handle the yuv2rgb and blit _and_ audio, then we could get around that speed. 00.11.58 # dionoea: The problem is, video isn't showing along with the audio in media player classic like that 00.12.20 # like what ? 00.12.30 # dionoea: The file output by that command line 00.12.35 # midkay: So with optimisations, and using every cycle of both cores, it _may_ be possible to get 25fps or more out of it. 00.12.36 # I think it's audio only, the filesize is tiny 00.13.04 # linuxstb: cool :) though second-core access is also probably rather far in the distance too, i guess? 00.13.13 # Llorean: What about viewing the file in VLC itself? 00.13.23 # midkay: No, mpegplayer (the patch I posted) is using the second core... 00.13.25 # vlc.exe source.avi --sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=700,acodec=mpga,ab=128}:std{access=file,mux=ps,dst=file.mpg} 00.13.36 # + height and width parameters 00.13.43 Quit webguest13 ("CGI:IRC") 00.13.44 # linuxstb: ?! wow! that's a breakthrough :) figured it out? 00.13.45 # is that what you're using ? 00.13.49 # linuxstb: Audio only as well 00.14.04 # dionoea: acodec=mp3, and samplerate=44100 00.14.08 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terinjok@c-24-129-200-172.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 00.14.28 # midkay: It's never been _that_ unknown. dan_a has done the work to implement a kernel on the COP, and there's a patch in the patch tracker from lostlogic which builds on that and runs the codec thread on the COP. 00.14.34 # dionoea: Also, a different VB 00.14.36 # Llorean, I assume your computer is set up so it compiles rockbox correctly (unlike mine...) 00.14.39 # Since the screen is much smaller 00.14.51 Quit Tam_ ("gn8") 00.15.29 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@237.62-50-186.enivest.net) 00.15.47 # hey. sorry to inturupt the vlc conversation but i'm having a problem with rockbox on my ipod. Well its a problem with the boot loader. I've just installed it and it works fine but i cannot load the original apple OS - it just keep cycling. Any ideas? 00.15.52 # linuxstb: that's very cool.. i've been out of the loop for too long :) 00.15.53 # Llorean: append -vvv --extraintf=logger to your command line and see what error messages VLC outputs 00.16.11 # Llorean: or just try adding fps=25 in transcode 00.16.25 # mpeg2 doesn't accept all framerates ... maybe your source frame rate is incompatible 00.16.58 # webguest00: Which ipod do you have? 00.16.58 # dionoea: Actually, that's the change I just made myself. :) 00.17.08 # 4th gen 20gb 00.17.14 # hehe :) 00.17.17 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 00.17.17 # dionoea: And that was the problem 00.17.24 # black and white 00.17.48 # sounds to me like your apple os is corrupted... 00.18.05 # i remember talk of this before... just don't remember how we resolved it 00.18.11 # webguest00: Yes, there's been a few reports of that problem with the new version of ipodpatcher - but oddly only on the 4G. 00.18.12 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.18.14 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2#Profiles_and_Levels 00.18.14 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 00.18.16 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.18.31 # Terinjokes: I never knew it was resolved... 00.18.36 # i did see it on the forums but didn't see much else 00.18.42 # my guess would be to restore the apple os, and manually install the bootloader/rockbox 00.18.47 # just checking if there was any more indo 00.19.03 # linuxstb: It seems to play a 700kbps video with 128kbps audio at 25fps just fine 00.19.11 # At nano resolution 00.19.13 # Nice. 00.19.18 # linuxstb: i don't see lostlogic's second-core patch. 00.19.27 # manually? i thought thats how we did it anyway? 00.19.41 # midkay: It's at the end of the comments on the coprocessor patch 00.20.13 # linuxstb: Scratch that, it is doing some framedropping, but the audio was fine the whole time 00.20.14 # did you try installing using this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 00.20.15 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.20.34 # argh.. wish flyspray didn't suck so much :) so hard to find stuff sometimes.. 00.20.52 # Llorean: The bitrate is quite high for video your size. You should try and see how much you can reduce it. 00.20.57 Quit ender` (" A psychiatrist is a fellow who asks you a lot of expensive questions your wife asks for nothing.") 00.21.17 # But is it skipping a lot of frames, or just occasionally? 00.21.20 # linuxstb: Yeah, I was just trying 700 because that was in the sample that dionoea used and I wanted to remove any stupidity I might have caused. I'm trying 256 now 00.21.41 # That may be too low... But probably a good place to work up from. 00.21.45 # That's what I figure 00.21.59 # Lots of frames at the end of the video, but it was a very very very active scene 00.22.05 # What kind of video is it? 00.22.15 # Videogame speedrun 00.22.21 # It was what I had around 00.22.21 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.22.57 # Terinjokes: i used the beta installation - i'll try it without and see if it works 00.22.58 # I'm kind of curious if MPEG1 w/o the B frames of MPEG2 would show significant speed inprovements. 00.22.59 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 00.23.06 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.23.24 # Soap: We need someone to do all that kind of testing and come up with good encoder settings for Rockbox use... 00.23.25 # linuxstb: Actually, 256kbps video still looks pretty good. 00.24.26 # For the Nano's screen, I'd say it's actually good enough 00.24.26 # kind of funny when your audio is almost the same bitrate as your video. 00.24.52 # I was just thinking that... These .mpg files are smaller than my FLACs... 00.25.16 # Llorean: i guess that you could improve quality and keep the bitrate low by tweaking some ffmpeg options (like I frame ratio and stuff ...). But i don't have a clue about how that works 00.25.58 # Is it skipping any frames at 256kbps? 00.26.05 # linuxstb: Not noticeably 00.26.09 # If it was, I couldn't tell 00.26.26 # I'll run it again with frameskip off and without the limited framerate, shall I? 00.27.06 # 320x240 @ 15 FPS is 384kbps :S 00.27.06 # That could be interesting. In the past, ffmpeg-encoded files have been slower to decode than my mpeg2enc-encoded elephants dream clips. 00.27.25 # tychver: How do you work that out? 00.27.35 # Ah, based on the Nano at 256kbps? 00.27.49 # the mpeg 2 profiles page on wikipedia 00.28.32 # TMPGEnc is free for MPEG1 encoding, and it allows you to play around with the quantization matrix, which might explain the performance difference between same-bitrate encodes between two different encoders. 00.29.09 # linuxstb: 30fps, give or take 1 in variance. 00.29.24 # So about the same as the ED video. 00.29.29 # I'm not familiar enough with the command-line encoders to know what assumptions they make when encoding. 00.29.33 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 00.29.39 # Yup 00.29.47 # video bitrate of 256, audio bitrate of 128, and fullscreen 00.31.14 # * Llorean goes to encode a television show 00.31.48 Join cd_rom [0] (i=cd_rom@user-544549fb.lns5-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk) 00.32.30 # Llorean: What was the vlc command-line you came up with in the end/ 00.32.32 # ? 00.33.01 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.33.14 # I edited the .bat so that it now reads this: http://pastebin.ca/296117 00.34.02 # anyone tried encoding the video with lower framerates? 24 or 15 00.34.13 # tychver: I'm encoding at 24 00.34.30 # Sorry, 25 00.34.33 # can anyone make a QEMU image for rockbox compiling 00.34.35 Join sdf3r234 [0] (n=n3wm0nk@d141-164-226.home.cgocable.net) 00.34.37 # how bad does it look at 15? 00.34.44 # I haven't tried 00.34.47 # I have no need to try 00.34.54 # I can do fullscreen video at 30 already 00.35.00 # :-P 00.35.01 # including audio? 00.35.04 # Yes 00.35.08 # ah 00.35.12 # hang on 00.35.14 # Someone with a 5G can try out 15fps 00.35.18 # I'm about to fall off my chair 00.35.31 # that would probably be me then 00.36.11 # linuxstb: hm, so what have you got for 5G so far on mpegplayer? is it using both cores? decoding audio? 00.36.21 # it might be worth the motion trade off if you could go to a higher bitrate 00.36.42 # tychver: I'd rather have smoothness with artifacts than frameskipping with clarity in most cases. 00.37.47 # midkay: mpegplayer is the same on all portalplayer targets (the patch I posted earlier, not CVS) - video on the COP, audio on the main CPU, playing .mpg files. 00.38.34 # linuxstb: that's great.. any thoughts on it getting CVS'd soon? gotta run in a few minutes, but it sounds really cool, i'll have to try it when i get back. 00.38.45 # linuxstb: I think there's something wrong with frameskipping 00.39.19 # midkay: It relies on the kernel-on-cop patch being submitted first. It's also needs a lot of cleaning up. 00.39.20 # Terinjokes: thanks for the advice - installing everything the old fasioned way workes like a charm. Guess the beta version isn't good for the 4th gen ipod yet 00.39.35 # I take it that were talking 30fps at nano res? 00.39.43 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 00.39.54 # linuxstb: ah, guess i'll compile myself later then. :) 00.39.55 # tychver: Yes. Probably on the 5g as well though... 00.39.58 # gotta run now.. laters all. 00.40.01 # linuxstb: Nevermind, ignore me. 00.40.13 # hey guys, i have some questions about the sansa e200... is there anyone in here who is working on that project? 00.40.13 # Llorean: Happy to. :) 00.40.17 # webguest00, glad it worked 00.40.25 # ok 00.40.42 # well I shall run a clean CVS, patch and try 24fps 00.40.47 # tychver: Even 25fps is not *wholly* consistent on the Nano, depending on the file, for example it dipped to about 23 in this one 00.41.12 # ah right, maybe I shall stick with 15 then.. 00.41.23 # linuxstb: Should video be able to catch up with audio if it falls behind? 00.41.32 # Because mine fell out of sync and has caught up. 00.41.41 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era") 00.42.57 # Llorean: mpegplayer doesn't attempt a/v sync yet. It just plays audio at full-speed and attempts to play video at the correct speed if you enable the limit fps option. 00.43.31 # linuxstb: There's definitely *something* funny going on then 00.44.07 # linuxstb: This scene plays at 27 fps with speed limit on. The video falls behind the audio, and then catches up a bit later if the limit is on, and if frame skip is enabled, there's some heavy frame skipping in the scene. 00.44.15 # speed limit *off* for the 27 fps 00.45.38 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD74B5.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.50.07 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host163-210-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 00.51.20 # That sounds normal to me... 00.51.55 # mpegplayer is always trying to display frames at the correct time. If it falls behind, it will catch up (if the CPU can). 00.52.01 # linuxstb: The file is 25 fps. It runs faster than its native framerate throughout the entire scene, but if I have the limit on, it runs slower than its native framerate at a certain portion. 00.52.29 # That's more the interesting thing, it's frameskipping on a file that can be decoded faster than realtime 00.52.40 # The build table is looking really odd... 00.53.13 # The displayed framerate is the average since the start of the file. So if it decodes a second of audio too slowly, that may not affect the average. 00.53.17 # Aaah 00.53.27 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.53.29 # I didn't realize it was since the start of the file 00.53.33 # Ignore me, yet again. 00.53.36 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 00.53.38 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.55.54 # Am I the only one (or rather, pixelma) who observes problems with switching an ipod to usb mode from within rockbox? 00.56.06 # What problems exactly? 00.56.11 # USB logo appears, but stays there instead of rebooting into disk mode 00.56.34 # I think I've seen reports of that in the forums 00.56.36 # Doesn't happen to me, though 00.56.45 # Works fine for me (on both a Photo and Video). 00.56.49 # nor I 00.56.57 # It worked with a build from the 18th 00.57.17 # But not with one of today's cvs builds 00.58.41 Join webguest13 [0] (i=563829dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-671cfcfe2c01f4cf) 00.59.07 # version 061229 -1051 01.00.20 # Bah, time zone offset 01.00.22 # Well, I have to be off for a bit. As far as I can tell then, mpegplayer is working as intended, and 256kbps video seems about right. The quality looks fine to me at least (in fact it may even be able to go a bit lower) but there was that little bit of frameskipping when the whole scene panned, so it's still maybe much to decode. 01.00.37 Part Llorean 01.01.16 # who did the save shutdown on low power thing? 01.01.33 # I have some strange behaviour that may be related to that 01.01.50 # I think barrywardell commited it 01.01.56 Quit webguest36 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.02.03 Quit webguest00 ("CGI:IRC") 01.02.09 # good, then I try asking him about it 01.02.16 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.02.39 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.02.40 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.03.14 Quit DreamThief|off (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.03.23 # I guess it might have to do with the unified usb code, committed on the 20th 01.03.59 # hmm. It's mostly the backlight dimming. Seems the settings get overwritten when the battery is low 01.04.24 # simply reloading the settings fixes that. I thought maybe it's intended to not dim the backlight when the battery is low 01.04.43 Part Terinjokes 01.05.05 # noticed on my h120 01.05.27 Quit cynicalliberal ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]") 01.05.47 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 01.06.18 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.06.23 # I doubt that this is the problem here. The build was updated today, resetting the settings, and it worked before 01.07.30 Quit sdf3r234 () 01.08.07 # hmm. I'll try updating and let the battery run out tomorrow. See if I can still reproduce it then. 01.09.53 Quit cd_rom (" nite all") 01.10.30 Quit bluebrother ("out for some sleep for now") 01.10.56 Join DreamThief|off [0] (n=mathias@p54A82532.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.13.38 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 01.14.36 Quit cynicalliberal ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]") 01.16.03 Quit muesli- ("ich will Kühe!!!") 01.26.58 Join DreamThief447 [0] (n=mathias@p54A840F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.30.26 Quit DreamThief|off (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.33.06 Join webguest38 [0] (i=45b014c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b6116aafb93f8350) 01.33.06 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.33.16 Quit webguest38 (Client Quit) 01.33.29 Join AnthonyFitch [0] (i=45b014c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-37c882478517404d) 01.36.24 Join Guest52768 [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 01.36.37 Quit DreamThief447 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.38.04 # Hello, My name is Anthony Fitch, and I would like write permissions to the Rockbox Wiki 01.40.10 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.42.47 Quit PaulPosition () 01.44.36 # strange... I just have tested a little bit (re. USB detection...) I found the dailies up to the 27th working - 28th is not - 29th is missing. Then I build on my own with currently updated CVS and it's working... 01.44.53 # (on Ipod mini 2nd gen) 01.46.43 # this afternoon's CVS build wasn't working either 01.48.56 Quit webguest13 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.50.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.51.06 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.53.12 Quit lini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.58.16 Part AnthonyFitch 02.02.16 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.36 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 02.06.50 Join firenx [0] (n=firenx@S010600105a221185.gv.shawcable.net) 02.07.21 # does anyone know what would cause rockbox to run slow on my ipod 5.0 video? it seems to do this every so often.. reinstalling rockbox would resolve it sometimes but now im just not sure whats going on 02.07.53 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.12.14 # firenx: with the current scheduler, the UI is foced to play second fiddle to audio playback. 02.12.49 # This is not how things used to be, so if you are upgrading from an older build, this might be the first time you have experienced it. 02.19.49 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.19.56 Part pixelma 02.20.09 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 02.20.12 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.24.32 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 02.39.24 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-20-23-27.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 02.39.43 # no i've been playing around with a few versions, using jbuild so i can use the jclix theme .. 02.40.55 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 02.42.49 # I think all the Jbuilds are prior to the changes. 02.43.24 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 02.44.42 Join mickael__ [0] (n=mk@AOrleans-154-1-166-73.w90-20.abo.wanadoo.fr) 02.45.45 # * mickael__ congratulates rockbox developpers 02.46.31 # Llorean: did you just kill a fun thread? 02.47.01 # nevermind 02.48.52 Quit BobJonkman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.49.21 Quit Soap () 02.49.21 # Soap: Which thread? 02.49.24 # Gr 02.50.24 Join Craig_ [0] (n=chatzill@user-5441daf4.lns3-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk) 02.50.31 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 02.51.08 Part BobJonkman 02.51.56 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 02.52.11 # hi people. anyone know if there's a way of putting rockbox onto 80gb ipod? i can't wait for it! 02.52.14 Part BobJonkman 02.52.41 # Craig_: Not yet. 02.52.57 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.53.12 Quit jeffb (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 02.53.26 # that's a shame 02.54.13 # i hate itunes and it's random folder structure. i just got bought an ipod for xmas but i really don't want to transfer all my music using itunes 02.54.50 # Well, until someone figures out why we can't talk to the drive, we can't run on it 02.55.48 # what seems to be the problem then? just something apple did to the latest drive? 02.56.08 # We don't know yet. 02.57.14 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 02.57.18 # has there been much progress on it? 02.57.39 # You can't really have progress in a situation like this. 02.57.48 # We know a wide range of things that don't work. Does that qualify as progress? 02.57.59 # We're still in the same place though. 02.57.59 # i'd say so 02.58.49 Join krazyndn411 [0] (i=476a0fc1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4222523016718ea9) 02.59.18 # There are a couple people hacking away at it though, so I imagine in time one of them will solve it 02.59.26 # i'm sure :-) 02.59.53 # i really hope it's soon. just wish i had a bit more knowledge and could help! 03.00.44 # quick question - on an autoupdating ipod, is all the music from before installing rockbox accessible with rockbox? 03.00.54 # Well, once the disk problem is solved Rockbox ought to work as well on the 80gb as it does on any other iPod. 03.01.09 # i look forward to that! 03.01.40 # krazyndn411: Rockbox does not cause the contents of your music partition to be modified other than the files that you copy onto it. 03.02.27 # from what i have read you can use database for rockbox to read the contents of your "itunes" music files 03.03.04 # cool 03.03.25 # what ipod have you got? 03.03.43 # video - 30gb 03.03.58 # i wanted to play flac content :-\ 03.04.26 # i almost wish i had one of those - i got the 80gb unexpectedly for xmas and can't install rockbox :-( 03.04.29 # Is there some reason you can't? 03.04.31 # plus - rocbox sound customization is so much nicer 03.04.46 # i can't browse any music right now 03.05.01 # :-/ 03.05.24 # was it all transferred with itunes? 03.05.33 # yeah 03.05.35 # before i installed rockbox 03.05.35 # You shouldn't be able to transfer flacs with iTunes though 03.05.51 # i haven't transferred any yet 03.05.51 # i just wanted to 03.06.33 # If you're planning to use Rockbox for music, iTunes really isn't the way to go anyway. 03.06.43 # But database can find and index all your non-protected iTunes songs 03.07.21 # i wish companies would just see how much they're shooting themselves in the back with all this DRM crap 03.08.02 # all i want is to use my ipod as a harddrive with a regular folder structure that can access all my music 03.08.05 # all of it is non protected...i think i will reformat anyways...i tunes 7 really pisses me off because 03.08.18 # Apple's choice to use a database system has nothing to do with DRM 03.08.44 # Soap: But their choice to obfuscate filenames was likely to make it difficult for users to copy files off it 03.08.46 # it has to do with stopping you from copying as easily back to computer 03.09.01 # Soap: What thread did you think I'd killed, by the way? 03.09.08 # Llorean: the argument has been made that the database is faster because of the consistant and small file names and sizes. 03.09.33 # Llorean: and that if they /really/ didn't want you moving files off they would remove the (unneeded) metadata/tags. 03.09.36 Join jeffb [0] (i=newt@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 03.10.12 # Craig_: copy them back, any decent tagger will rename and organize them for you. 03.10.52 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.11.09 # Soap: I don't imagine the consistency of the filenames was necessary to make the database faster, especially since until recently it was possible to allow the database to use longer names which means it wasn't hardcoded to depend on or expect short ones, or optimized to use them in some special way. 03.11.09 # i know there are ways and i know exactly how to do them. it's just a pain that i can't drag my music folder straight onto my ipod and browse it 03.11.26 # hmm 03.11.33 # i like this new way of browsing 03.11.39 # i think i'll reformat 03.11.48 # Soap: I'm not saying that there wasn't a performance advantage, just that it seems unlikely to be a primary reason (to me, but I'm not invested in this, I honestly don't care why they did it, it's silly either way) 03.12.20 # if the filename argument is true, how come other manufacturers don't do it? 03.12.35 # it is silly, and I still believe the existance of tags proves they didn't do it to screw anyone. 03.12.56 # Craig_: name another system with as fast of a database when dealing with 60GB of music? 03.13.06 # sorry 03.13.09 # enough OT. 03.13.29 # Soap: I think the existence of tags is laziness. I don't think it was a *deep* effort to screw anyone, just a token effort to keep the most casual users (which honestly, is what iPod sells to primarily) confused. 03.13.50 # But, on the plus side, the remaining tags makes our Database able to incorporate iTunes infected iPods with ease. 03.14.09 # and also to try and make sure they use itunes to transfer music, which would probably encourage them to buy from the iTunes store 03.14.26 # i'm just a bit cynical 03.14.34 # * Llorean wonders if anyone has written a Rockbox-sync for a popular music manager yet. 03.15.10 # when Foobar2000 gets opened and ported there will be only one popular music manager! ;) 03.15.19 # "When" or "If"? 03.15.31 # not if 03.15.32 # IF 03.15.35 # it's a big one. 03.15.38 # Hehehe 03.15.47 # gotta love foobar 03.16.06 # I've never understood developers who release "free" software, but keep the source to themselves. 03.16.06 # Apparently you don't have to, I do see diehard winamp fanatics. 03.16.34 # but foobar is just so economical on cpu/memory usage 03.16.53 # winamp is nowhere near as good from that point of view 03.17.16 # linuxstb: I think there's a fear of someone forking and showing you up. 03.17.48 # I mean, there's always the option of a license that doesn't allow redistribution. 03.18.15 # perhaps they also don't want to deal with a development community, and working with patches and such 03.18.44 # it's easy to merge changes when you're the only developer. ;) 03.19.04 # just because you release the source doesn't mean you need to offer public CVS, or even more support than "Here. Are you happy now?" 03.19.10 # true 03.19.20 # but then people will fork, and you get to llorean's argument 03.19.33 # nice speaking guys, i'm off 03.19.35 Part Craig_ 03.19.35 # tehsmo: If you have a no-redistribution license, people can't fork. 03.19.40 # hmm. .true 03.19.44 # Well, not legally 03.19.56 # That's hardly Free software then.. 03.19.57 # yea, which is a new one to me. The two theories i had always heard were 1-contains code it shouldn't and 2-It is a royal mess. 03.20.10 # linuxstb: Aye, 'tis true. 03.20.45 # But I mean, closing the source only seems to imply that there's something in the source that the user doesn't want other people to see. 03.21.04 # or that you're a sucker and a free beta tester. 03.21.09 # Hehehe 03.21.29 # Hey, as long as it doesn't have some self destruct code in it that eats it when the retail product goes live, I'll be happy with the final beta. 03.21.42 # But I agree it's hard to open-source an existing closed-source application. It's completely different if it's been open source from the very early stages. 03.22.37 # * linuxstb is frustrated that mpegplayer is _just_ too slow for fullscreen video at 25fps on his photo... Too much framedropping. 03.23.50 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 03.23.58 # What bitrate are you encoding at for Photo? 03.24.40 # I've been trying mencoder. First at 500kbps, then at 400kbps. The quality is still OK, so I'll try dropping it further. 03.25.19 # I imagine there's still room for optimizing too, anyway, right? 03.26.03 # Yes, I'm sure there is. 03.27.32 # I'm making room for some benchmarking videos. I assume for benchmarking purposes it would be beter to encode to a small size, so that the FPS average has a higher degree of "resolution" (45 compared to 41 being more meaningful than 10 to 11?) 03.28.04 # OR - should I benchmark at higher resolutions because low resolution tests aren't indicitive of high res performance? 03.28.15 Quit krazyndn411 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.28.40 # I don't know... Do some benchmarks to decide how to benchmark... 03.28.47 # * Llorean saw that one coming. :) 03.28.58 # Or at least, something like it 03.29.05 # hehe 03.29.43 # I have to say, until today I've felt fairly indifferent about Video support, and suddenly, after watching 10 minutes of a TV show on my Nano I find myself thinking "I wish rebuffering worked..." 03.29.52 Join iStride [0] (n=ian@218.109.94.186) 03.30.29 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 03.30.58 # I keep cartoon episodes on mine, they get down to about 20mins without the adverts, perferct viewing while on hold 03.31.23 # But I think I would just go with "real" video files - i.e. encode at full-screen. 03.31.27 # watching video on a nano seems painful 03.31.33 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 03.31.47 Quit cynicalliberal (Client Quit) 03.32.00 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 03.32.05 # jeffb: Not so much, honestly. 03.32.14 # Though I'd probably mainly be listening to it anyway 03.32.30 # haven't had a chance to try it out yet 03.35.23 Quit linuxstb (Remote closed the connection) 03.36.16 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@84.Red-217-125-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 03.42.40 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.42.54 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 03.50.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.53.34 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.54.05 Part Llorean 03.54.24 Part tipok 04.01.24 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.04.25 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 04.11.50 Join snicker [0] (i=UPP@nv-71-1-178-163.dyn.embarqhsd.net) 04.12.01 # hi folks 04.12.51 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-65-64-200-208.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.15.25 # does rockbox support a type of "suspend" mode on ipod nano 1stgen? 04.16.37 # it supports a type of "off" mode 04.17.01 # well, by suspend i mean, the screen goes off 04.17.08 # rather than shutting down completely 04.18.13 Join klingemp [0] (n=chatzill@pool-72-86-13-208.lyncva.east.verizon.net) 04.19.22 # screen comes back on on first button press 04.22.45 Join Everybody| [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 04.25.13 # that is called sleep mode...and no it doesnt 04.25.57 # well are there implementations in the code to turn off the screen? 04.26.14 # I guess there's probably more to it than that 04.26.21 # much more 04.36.01 Quit snicker (":::: ( UPP ) ::::") 04.50.53 Join Fred_From_Toaste [0] (n=chatzill@Antigo-HiPer1-100.dwave.net) 04.54.10 # hi 04.54.19 Join tical2k [0] (n=none@24-176-78-162.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) 04.54.45 # what is the main processor on the ipod photo/5g etc? 04.55.15 # im drawing a blank.... PP.... power______ ? 04.56.43 # portal player 04.56.51 # whoops 04.56.51 # haha 04.58.41 # noob question here 04.59.46 # im using wmp 11 with an ipod nano, never used itunes, do i have to convert the database so i can see my songs or am i just missing somthing obvious here? 04.59.58 # no 05.00.18 # at least i dont think so...dont know how WMP does things 05.03.21 # im using a plugin, dopisp, its called... I think i can figure this out, but i think that plugin makes it act like itunes, but i checked it out and the filenames look normal on the ipod.... 05.03.21 # linuxstb: hows the cpu scaling turning out for you? 05.08.50 # can anyone recomed a better media player then? 05.09.47 Quit Soap () 05.09.58 Nick Fred_From_Toaste is now known as OS2_Warp_user (n=chatzill@Antigo-HiPer1-100.dwave.net) 05.12.28 Quit OS2_Warp_user ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]") 05.13.11 Join puetzk_ [0] (n=puetzk@12-208-253-240.client.mchsi.com) 05.13.52 Quit puetzk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.15.48 Join gotthardt [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-21-40-208.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 05.19.51 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 05.21.18 Join mdke [0] (n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke) 05.21.43 # The manual for the ipod gen 2 doesn't contain any info about upgrading... what's the procedure? 05.23.16 # we dont support the 2nd gen...and we have no manual for it 05.24.47 # scorche: sorry, mini 2nd gen 05.25.30 # mdke: unzip the file onto the ipod, particularly the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder should be new 05.25.59 # ok. I've done that. i don't need to do anything with the firmware? 05.26.20 # nope, the bootloader just reads the rockbox.ipod file and runs it 05.26.27 # oh right 05.26.37 # cool, hopefully it will crash less :D 05.26.58 # * mdke gives it a try 05.27.57 # mdke: what do you do with the ubuntu project btw (noticing your hostmask) 05.28.46 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-64-200-208.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 05.29.26 # bagawk: documentation, various general community things 05.29.58 # rockbox doesn't want to boot now :( 05.30.02 # ohh cool 05.30.07 # error -5 05.31.38 # it's showing the old version, and there is a slightly discrepancy between Checksum and Sum 05.31.43 # any ideas what might be up? 05.32.02 # you likely put the wrong build on the device 05.32.22 # that sounds possible 05.32.28 # sure you put the 2nd gen build on your 2nd gen device? 05.32.39 # maybe it isn't a mini 2nd gen after all... 05.32.53 # does it say the capacity on the back? 05.33.11 # no 05.33.21 # If i remember the difference is the color on the clickwheel match the color of the ipod for gen 2 05.33.29 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.33.33 # and where it says menu, fast forward, etc colot match the whole colo....yeah 05.33.46 # bagawk: both are differences 05.34.20 # under settings/about I see version 1.1 05.34.39 # that's 1 gen then, I guess? 05.34.39 # mdke: so it doesnt say something like 5GB on the back? 05.34.47 # no, it's 4gb 05.34.50 # but nothing on the back 05.34.54 # but does it say that? 05.34.59 # alright...you ahve a first gen 05.35.19 # damn, my bad. Have I ruined everything, or can I unpack the correct build on top? 05.35.21 # and for the crashes, get mikeage's build with the frequency scaling patch 05.35.30 # ooh! 05.35.38 # that sounds promising 05.35.51 # reset (menu+select), then enter disk mode (select+play) 05.36.10 # ok 05.36.55 # done 05.37.03 # forum quote of the day: 05.37.04 # "Thanks. After a lot more digging around (this site really could do with a prominent site map link on the home page!) I've figured out that the iRiver H10 port is a work-in-progress" 05.37.27 # must have been a slow day if you chose that one.. 05.37.56 # scorche: what do I do now? 05.38.09 # copy a new build over 05.38.23 # * mdke plugs it in 05.38.43 # you don't like the second half of that one? 05.39.10 # it was "meh" 05.39.36 # scorche: boots now (loads faster too :) 05.39.41 # scorche: about this patch... 05.39.51 # gimme! 05.40.15 # Soap: heh..."can i get the link through a private message?" 05.40.22 # it crashes a lot especially when a bit low on battery, I think 05.40.27 # mdke: look on the forums 05.40.35 # ok 05.40.36 # scorche: yea, I thought that one needed moved now. 05.40.45 # with LL and Febs gone. 05.41.29 # while I'm here, I've also noticed that I seem to get random loss of my settings (such as font size and file view), is this a known bug, a fixed bug, or am I doing something wrong? 05.41.46 # how are you shutting off the device? 05.41.58 # or rebooting 05.42.18 # if you hard reset it (menu+select), it will not save them 05.42.35 # oh, probably I do some of those. Generally I do play+select 05.43.16 # why?...it should go into disk mode automatically whenyou plug in the cable 05.43.40 # play+select seems to make it shut down 05.43.59 # only because holding play makes it shutdown 05.44.12 # ah. 05.45.01 # is there a way to make it save my settings no matter what? 05.45.31 # humm make sure the disk spins up before you shut it off 05.46.11 # playing a song from another album or runing a plugin should do it 05.46.35 # mdke: you can also save your settings to a file you can load yourself 05.46.51 # I tried that, but found that I couldn't figure out how to save the filename 05.47.03 # which was so frustrating, I gave up 05.47.13 # reading the manual helps 05.48.28 # I didn't think of that... I thought of it for a serious task like upgrading, but not something trivial like operating the thing 05.49.12 # the manual is...well, a manual...it has a variety of topics from simple, to advanced 05.49.30 # yes, I see that. 05.49.54 # But I didn't have to read the Apple manual to operate it, so I guess it just didn't occur to me 05.50.04 # I'll read it 05.50.16 # and maybe file some usability bugs if I am not satisfied after that :) 05.50.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.53.43 # scorche: I've found the custom build you referred to. What's the affect on battery life, do you know? 05.54.22 # not anything to worry about 05.54.30 # I'll give it a try then 05.56.57 # scorche: sorry to keep bugging you, on http://mikeage.net/content/rockbox/index.php, is the correct one "noscaling" or "cpufreq3"? 05.57.11 # go with noscaling 05.57.20 # ok, that's what I figured. Just to be sure :) 05.57.20 # it locks the CPU at 75, and prevents the crashes. 05.57.21 # wrong 05.57.32 # I though cpufreq3 was still unstable? 05.57.35 # no? 05.57.39 # I was getting to that though. 05.57.58 # cpufreq3 05.58.13 # ok. it's the good stuff? 06.00.03 # you can use the noscaling build as well...it will drastically reduce battery though, but it is the only "for sure" way of getting rid of the issue 06.00.15 # use that if cpufreq doesnt work for you 06.00.24 # i'll try this cpufreq3 for now 06.00.25 # thanks guys 06.02.09 # keep up the good work 06.02.15 Part mdke ("goodbye!") 06.08.56 Join topbloke [0] (i=top_blok@adsl-75-57-92-231.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 06.17.41 Join JackalSMP [0] (n=nowhere@static-71-165-80-238.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) 06.18.18 # hey have they fix the video for rockbox for ipod video 06.21.03 # what is wrong with it? 06.22.14 # JackalSMP: if you mean, have they implemented support, sort of. there's an mpeg player that uses the cpu and gets 15-ish fps. but there's no support for the broadcom chip as of yet IIRC 06.23.41 # does the audi work /? 06.24.37 # with the mpeg player? yeah, IIRC. although the whole thing is experimental and not in CVS or anything 06.24.39 # no, but it is a work in progress 06.25.05 # as i said...work in progress ;) 06.25.11 # anything I can do to help the process 06.25.19 # do you know C? 06.25.28 # no but i have a friend who is a wiz 06.25.33 # really good 06.27.17 Join trypt0 [0] (n=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 06.27.32 # seduce him 06.28.10 # then, the following morning tell him to get cracking on Rockbox or else you will tell his wife. 06.31.25 # it would rock if rockbox could play xvids 06.31.50 # then make them play 06.32.01 # and also TV out 06.32.09 # then code a patch for it 06.32.14 # right o 06.36.31 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.37.35 Join webguest46 [0] (i=d82b63f8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b698b936b9bafa3b) 06.37.53 # hi? 06.41.06 Quit miso91 ("Ramen is better.") 06.43.30 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.49.50 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16C2B.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.50.25 # hehe 06.50.28 # "seduce him" 06.51.33 # no 06.51.34 # i mean 06.51.34 # sedate 06.51.37 # ;) 06.51.53 # you get to have sex either way 06.53.37 # man gnu assembler (as) is so damn picky 06.54.50 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.57.06 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 07.00.56 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 07.04.04 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.04.25 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.04.29 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.08.03 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.09.02 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.12.49 Part Tman 07.13.41 Join Coldtoast [0] (n=chatzill@ppp110-119.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 07.14.20 # just found out I actually have a 5.5G ipod. That's the same as the 5G as far as rb support goes? 07.16.24 # the 30GB is supported, the 80 is not 07.20.56 Join klingemp_ [0] (n=chatzill@pool-72-86-13-208.lyncva.east.verizon.net) 07.22.27 Quit strabes (Connection timed out) 07.25.04 Quit klingemp_ (Client Quit) 07.31.11 Quit klingemp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.32.12 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 07.37.30 Quit topbloke ("bye") 07.39.47 Quit trypt0 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.43.53 Join webguest06 [0] (i=41ace971@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d793f0125d596cf3) 07.49.59 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.50.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.53.05 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-156-14-64.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.53.38 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.53.39 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.58.13 Quit webguest06 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.59.26 Quit gotthardt ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 08.12.47 Quit Ribs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.15.21 Quit Drumr (Connection timed out) 08.17.26 # tehsmo: : the 5.5G 30Gb tho? 08.17.46 Quit EbErT (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.18.03 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-156-14-64.asm.bellsouth.net) 08.18.14 # Coldtoast: Pretty sure that the 30 GB 5.5 is supported. 08.18.24 # HCS has a 5.5, as I recall. 08.18.41 # He's developed a couple of plugins for Rockbox. 08.20.05 # Coldtoast: yes 08.21.42 # ok 08.21.42 # cool 08.26.11 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 08.29.22 Part EbErT 08.31.32 # yeah, the 30GB 5.5G is supported 08.32.00 # actually I just noticed it says that on the home page; must have been recently added 08.43.14 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.43.20 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 08.43.25 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.45.18 Join RedZZR11 [0] (i=59f1a0e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d5c46708584a5f7c) 08.45.44 # ah. diodn't see it there when I looked a couple of days ago 08.47.58 # yeah, I think that changed yesterday, maybe 08.48.09 # Hi all, trying to register on the twiki - not receiving the emails - does it take a while? 08.48.20 # RedZZR11: sometimes. took more than an hour for me 08.48.48 # Ok, thanks - I'll wait for a while then.. 08.48.51 # I think there's server issues at the moment, something about it running on only one CPU 08.49.36 # so I use iPod Video/5G bootloader? 08.49.41 # guess so 08.51.05 Part RedZZR11 08.51.20 Join bun-bun_ [0] (n=bun@unaffiliated/bun-bun) 08.51.31 # Howdy bun-bun. 08.51.55 # Just wondering, but does your username have anything to do with a Megaman composer? 08.52.10 # hi, no it doesn't 08.52.10 # Or is it related to an online comic? 08.52.19 # yes, sluggy freelance 08.52.20 # Sluggy.com? 08.52.24 # :D 08.52.28 # Good stuff. 08.52.46 # (Bunbun composed music for Megaman 3, and I think 2.) 08.52.55 # yeah i was a big fan of sluggy 08.53.02 # (Obviously, different bunbuns.) 08.53.09 # yeah 08.53.16 # I used to read it almost daily. 08.53.20 # That changed when I got a job. 08.53.26 # lol, same here 08.53.31 # I now read it almost monthy. 08.54.03 # from about '98 to 2000 or so i read it regularly, but i admit i haven't looked at it in a long time now 08.54.12 # Oh, that's too bad. 08.54.21 # A LOT has happened since then... 08.54.32 # yeah i noticed when i checked about a month ago D: 08.54.34 Quit bun-bun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.54.36 Nick bun-bun_ is now known as bun-bun (n=bun@unaffiliated/bun-bun) 08.54.38 # Bunbun was actually out of the comic for about a year. 08.54.44 # by the time I heard of sluggy, the archive was too intimidating 08.54.47 # O.O 08.54.57 # Yes, he got banished. 08.55.02 # is aylee still around? 08.55.07 # It took about a year for him to get back. 08.55.18 # From what I recall, she's in a cacoon. 08.55.24 # Has been for some time. 08.55.29 # i really need to go back and read it all from the beginning 08.55.40 # I'm thinking of doing the same thing. 08.55.49 # i really really meant to order the books when pete abrams published them 08.55.59 # You still can. 08.56.09 # I think the first ones are now in a compilation. 08.56.10 # are they still first editions? 08.56.13 # ahh 08.56.14 # No. 08.56.43 # Though, at least they're available. 08.58.02 # I strongly recommend that you attempt to catch up. 08.58.13 # There's some really good content that you're missing out on. 08.58.22 # i can imagine 08.58.27 # zoe still around? 08.58.32 # Yes. 08.58.37 # hot :D 08.58.44 # I think she's moved out though. 08.59.05 # moved out? she was already living on her own i thought 08.59.11 # She was going to school, but ran out of money (I think Riff or Torg stole here credit card number...) 08.59.18 # lol 08.59.31 # Well, at one point, they were all living in the same house. 08.59.37 # She moved out of that. 08.59.41 # oh man i'm really out of it 09.00.00 # The house had a really interesting ending... 09.00.14 # They now own it, free of charge, rent, payment, everything. 09.00.22 # ok i'm going to start tomorrow. i would start tonight but i need to sleep and if i start reading there goes the sleep idea 09.00.38 # lol 09.00.43 # So very true. 09.00.53 # I've had that happen on numerous occasions. 09.01.21 # yeah, and what time i have left i need to get this stupid voip crap working 09.02.41 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 09.02.44 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 09.02.46 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 09.02.52 # Bah... 09.17.47 Join GaryAllen_RedZZR [0] (i=59f1a0e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c55260a3b634b307) 09.18.28 # Hi, got my confirmation email from twiki - now how to I get write access? 09.20.43 # GaryAllen_RedZZR: someone adds you to the list, now you _really_ plan to edit the wiki correct? 09.22.00 # Yep, I want to add some stuff to the Gigabeat port, I've modded some code and done a WPS for it. 09.23.47 # GaryAllen_RedZZR: I added you to the group 09.24.40 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@87.8.203.93) 09.24.59 # Thanks - my twiki login is just GaryAllen 09.25.20 Join bianconeri [0] (n=biancone@88.213.44.87) 09.25.33 # yep Have fun :) 09.26.12 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 09.26.16 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 09.26.22 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 09.26.40 Join BHSPitMonkey_ [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-67-114-199.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 09.27.07 # Hello all, I installed rockbox successfully, and been fiddling with it for quite some time. What I can't figure out, is that when I change it to database mode, for each artist I get multiple (2 or even more) songs for the same song...which wasn't the case earlier on the original Mac software...thanx in advance :) 09.27.11 # theoretical question.. is it possible to have a wps display landscape? 09.31.43 Quit GaryAllen_RedZZR ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.31.50 # goffa: what do you mean by landscape? 09.32.25 # like if you were to rotate the player 90 degrees 09.33.03 Quit bianconeri ("Leaving") 09.33.07 # ahh 09.33.22 # gigabeat has a tall screen 09.33.26 # so it'd be useful 09.33.32 Join bianconeri [0] (n=biancone@88.213.44.87) 09.33.38 # esp for long filenames 09.34.39 # well, you certainly could change the code to reverse the screen width and height and then swap the cords on every pixel 09.35.37 # hmm.. that sounds like it could get messy 09.36.57 Join lubiix908 [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.37.35 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.37.42 # i know they have the rotate 180.. but that seems much easier to implement 09.37.44 # just installed rb on my ipod 5.5g and whe it boots it's saying No Partition 09.38.04 # assuming this is cos the ipod has an unallocated section of 94MB then the main partition formatted as FAT32 09.39.40 # Read the documentation/FAQ. 09.39.56 # I recall reading about that somewhere, but I don't know what was said. 09.39.59 Quit spiorf ("Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)") 09.40.10 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host93-203-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.40.15 # goffa: another way, make a sideways font and write up lcd_puts to swap the cords 09.40.17 # Since I haven't read the documentation, I'm going to guess I read it in the FAQ. 09.42.13 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.42.43 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.42.52 Quit spiorf (Client Quit) 09.43.22 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host93-203-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.43.40 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-65-67-114-199.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 09.45.21 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 09.50.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.52.46 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.54.55 Quit puetzk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.02.42 Quit softi_42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.03.10 Join softi_42 [0] (n=softi@p549D6291.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.05.03 Join puetzk [0] (n=puetzk@12-208-253-240.client.mchsi.com) 10.17.52 Quit bianconeri ("Leaving") 10.20.37 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 10.20.43 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 10.20.46 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 10.22.56 # goffa: Rotating by 90° at runtime would be really hard, as it would mean that lcd width and height are no longer constant (as seen by all drawing functions etc) 10.23.25 # What would be much easier would be making a special build that _always_ uses the display in landscape mode 10.30.05 # I don't see the point though. The gigabeat display is huge... 10.42.59 Quit Nimdae (Remote closed the connection) 10.47.55 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 10.49.58 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.49.58 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 10.56.58 Quit mickael__ (Remote closed the connection) 10.57.01 Join mickael__ [0] (n=mk@AOrleans-154-1-166-73.w90-20.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.58.51 # \o/ Earlier today Apple said the company is facing several federal lawsuits for allegedly creating an illegal monopoly by tying iTunes to iPods. 11.00.34 # interesting 11.00.54 # their hardware, their software 11.01.05 # what's being monopolised? 11.01.25 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 11.01.31 # having a monopoly isn't what's illegal 11.01.31 # having a monopoly and using it to force people to use other products of yours is illegal 11.01.49 # forcing? 11.02.06 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 11.02.12 # how? it's not like there aren't craploads of other options 11.02.17 # if you have an ipod you can only buy from itunes. if you buy from itunes you can only play what you bought on an ipod (or computer with itunes) 11.02.52 # apple have 80% of the market. when MS got sued there were other options but they were still found guitly because they abused the monopoly they had with windows for force other things on people 11.03.24 # though TBH i don't agree with much of the MS case. shipping IE for free didn't stop anyone using firefox. 11.03.29 # or netscape at the itme 11.03.44 # netscape not being updated for a couple of years stopped people from using netscape :) 11.03.48 # If you have an ipod, you can buy non-DRM-protected music and play that. You don't have to buy music from ITMS. 11.03.54 # it's not Apple's fault they have an 80% marketshare 11.04.01 # unlike Windows, where if you want certain things you HAVE to use Windows 11.04.03 # having a monopoly isn't what's illegal <<< 11.04.19 # if you want to buy music online much of it is only available on itunes 11.04.26 # linuxstb: you're overestimating the average tech-user 11.04.29 # and apple refuse to licence their DRM system to anyone else 11.04.52 # so they lock people in to using one of their products because they're already using another one 11.05.00 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 11.05.41 # Sony and Microsoft are just as bad, but they don't have enough market share to be considered a monopoly, I guess. Or they'll be sued next once Apple is out of the way, if the case succeeds, perhaps. 11.06.01 Quit merbanan ("Leaving") 11.06.45 # the ol' PS3 doesn't seem to be doing so well at the moment 11.07.22 # not surprising. it costs a crazy amount and has only one good game at the moment, and is no more powerful (in real terms) than the year-old 360. 11.07.52 # nice to see the arrogant bastards at SCE fail at least a little, though i'm sure the PS3 will still be a success due to brand loyalty. (and i'm sure i'll buy one eventually for some exclusive title) 11.08.15 # fail a little? they've failed spectacularly in recent years 11.08.30 # not the SCE part (the console division) 11.08.34 # oh. yeah 11.08.50 # personally, I never did like the Playstation 11.08.56 # no version 11.09.06 # loved the xbox tho. amazing things when modded 11.09.29 # I don't like the PS2 hardware but there were some good games for it. THey could've been done on another platform though. 11.09.46 Quit cynicalliberal ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]") 11.10.04 # mostly i don't like companies who openly say "we could ship a bucket full of shit for $1000 with the playstation logo on it and people would still want to work overtime to buy it" 11.10.09 # maybe if I were a bit younger I'd be more into consoles 11.10.11 # or lie about why they had to remove rumble from their controllers 11.10.49 # heh 11.11.10 # i like consoles. much less hassle than pc gaming in terms of drivers and keeping hardware up to date, and you can play them on the sofa. :) 11.11.20 # weird how everybody (who I've ever talked to) never used rumble but when they dumped it, everybody was up in arms 11.11.27 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196) 11.11.42 # rumble is used in just about every game these days 11.11.52 # you don't have to enable it tho 11.12.08 # everybody I know never has it enabled 11.12.10 # it's enabled by default. you'd have to go out of your way to disable it. (or use a Wavebird) 11.12.22 # you know strange people :) 11.12.31 # well.. on the PSX controllers it's a one button operation if I recall 11.12.55 # that's the Analog toggle not rumble, if it's what i'm thinking of 11.13.05 # oh. probably 11.13.28 # anyway. on teh xbox, I only ev er enabled rumble to show my friend how I'd connected LEDs to the rumble. heh 11.13.49 # hehe 11.14.29 # the most gaming I've ver done on a console is on my DS tho 11.14.49 # as in I've picked that up more than I've used any home console I've ever owned 11.15.14 # for gaming, at least. Used to use my xbox CONSTANTLY for media 11.15.21 Join norlatch [0] (i=nortest@adsl-dyn-243-61.heliweb.de) 11.15.33 # oh! and emulators. Metal Slug X is awesome with friends on a TV 11.16.50 # snes on xbox is cool too :) 11.16.59 # does anyone else have problems with new builds of rockbox for iriver h340? 11.17.04 Join trypt0 [0] (n=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 11.17.07 # Yoshi's Island FTW :) 11.17.16 # my player is shutting don suddely after upgrading to anewer build 11.17.44 # i have the battery fully charged but it says its empty and shuts down 11.19.15 # Have you tried the original firmware? 11.19.27 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.19.47 # i did 11.19.48 # (and does reverting back to an older build fix it?) 11.20.02 # and strangly it also says the battery is empty 11.20.14 # i dont have an older build 11.20.29 # at least i cant find one on the website 11.20.29 # You can download them from the "older" link on the daily builds page - going back 30 days. 11.20.49 # i doubt that will be enough 11.21.04 # But if the OF is also showing an empty battery, it doesn't look like a Rockbox issue. 11.21.07 # my last working one was from october 11.21.18 Join bluebrother [0] (i=Jixj6HCr@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 11.21.43 # other people have the same problems 11.22.04 # acourding to the forum at misticriver.net 11.22.26 # i recharged the battery 11.22.52 # the voltage was at about 4.12V 11.22.59 # then updated the software 11.23.06 # does themes work on the sansa e2xx yet? 11.23.20 # and when i started the player it showed 2.97Volts and shut down 11.24.28 # It's the bootloader that displays the voltage at boot-time - and that hasn't changed for months afaik. 11.24.38 # i just tried to download an older bild the website seems to havesome problems 11.24.48 # But you should wait until a hardware guru is around who might have more ideas... 11.25.53 # ok i wont be here for a couple of days (new year and all) now but thanks anyway 11.26.33 # maybe on last question: is there a mirror for older rockbox builds? 11.28.31 # No. 11.38.36 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.44.20 # JdGordon! 11.44.24 # hey 11.45.10 # what you doing for NY? 11.45.22 # dunno yet 11.45.32 # prob skip the city, but too early t know yet 11.45.58 # u? 11.47.50 # * JdGordon wonders why my idiot router wont give my laptop an ip.. even thot he link is up :'( 11.47.51 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 11.47.53 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@rexanker.bcnadsl.com) 11.48.09 # Because its an idiot... 11.48.24 # stupid cheap netgear 11.49.17 # i dunno 11.49.27 # all my friends bailed @ xmas 11.49.42 # and mates have got tickets to concerts etc 11.49.58 # what concerts r on nye? 11.50.00 # got absolutely NO ONE to go around with :*( 11.50.22 # aaww... there there... 11.50.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.52.21 # uh 11.52.23 # lots 11.52.38 # most popular: falls, summadayze, pyramid rock 11.52.53 # ah ok 11.53.05 # i didn't have a credit card in time to get a ticket 11.53.05 # and i don't have enough cash for scalpers 11.53.05 # :( 11.55.28 # at least i get a new id tomorrow 11.55.42 # You're changing identity? 11.55.55 Join mickael___ [0] (n=mk@AOrleans-154-1-178-198.w90-20.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.55.57 # just my birthdate 11.56.38 # BTW, is the Archos 404 anything like the 402, or are they completely different hardware? 11.56.59 # grr... whats the command t copy/paste text in vim? 11.57.03 # completely different 11.57.12 # daurnimator: your bday tomorow? 11.57.12 # linuxstb: did you watch my vid? 11.57.22 # no 11.58.00 # daurnimator: I watched the start, but my laptop's wireless connection was weak, and it kept pausing, so I gave up. 11.58.48 # Although I'm not really interested in what it can do with the Archos firmware or archopen - I'm a slave to Rockbox. 11.58.52 # well 11.59.01 # you can see what it can already do 11.59.12 # but. mainly was to show you how the exploit looks 11.59.17 # you run an avi 11.59.37 # Do you have to do that every time you want to run an alternative firmware? 12.00.02 # Or just the initial install of the bootloader? 12.03.25 Quit mickael__ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.06.11 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.07.12 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.07.14 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B9740B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.12.13 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 12.13.10 # uh 12.13.21 # at the moment, yes 12.13.31 # theres only a couple of devs 12.13.41 # and no one wants to risk anything 12.13.48 # - firmware is stored on flash 12.14.55 Quit trypt0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.16.46 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.17.35 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.17.55 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B9740B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.18.49 # daurnimator: OK, that's understandable. 12.18.57 # But defintiely needs fixing... 12.20.37 Quit tical2k ("This computer has gone to sleep") 12.20.55 Join webguest38 [0] (i=3efc4010@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-23399cb679b88cc2) 12.21.31 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965729.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.21.47 # hi a question - where are all the daily builds? http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml is virtually blank! please help... 12.23.01 Quit mathgl ("Quitte") 12.23.12 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ - scroll down to the bottom and choose the folder for your player. 12.23.37 # ah great, thanks linuxstb 12.23.51 # Or just download a bleeding-edge/CVS build - there is no real difference. 12.24.22 # (the daily build is just the CVS build from a certain time each day). 12.24.22 # that doesn't help.... there are no dailies of the 30th (for example Ipod mini...) 12.25.02 # Looks like the server needs some loving care and attention... 12.26.45 Quit webguest38 ("CGI:IRC") 12.28.25 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 12.31.02 # JdGordon: so, you going to fed square or what? 12.31.14 # hope not 12.34.25 Quit Guest52768 ("lini has no reason") 12.34.27 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 12.44.53 Join doktoreas [0] (n=geko@87.10.196.48) 12.45.15 # hi to all! 12.46.24 # wait 12.46.28 # damn why did that happen 12.46.40 # sorry 12.46.44 Quit Everybody| ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 12.46.44 # :( 12.48.23 Quit norlatch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.49.17 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.49.40 # are daily build offline? 12.50.45 # doktoreas: Something seems to be wrong atm, try a CVS build instead 12.52.01 Join GodEater [0] (i=bryan@host-83-146-15-60.bulldogdsl.com) 12.53.16 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|Determ (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 12.53.38 # i discovered rockbox this morning 12.55.07 # doktoreas, use a cvs build or go to http://download.rockbox.org/daily 12.56.50 # bluebrother, thank you very much 12.58.29 Join mucker [0] (n=cagney@cpc1-grnk3-0-0-cust302.renf.cable.ntl.com) 13.00.10 # Hi I was thinking of buying a sansa c200 player. I was wondering if it is possible to port rockbox to it? 13.01.04 # mucker, you're aware of the fact that porting Rockbox is a major task? 13.01.24 # read the NewPorts wiki page for some information about porting 13.01.32 # i.e. months of hard work... 13.01.41 # mucker: why not going for an e200 instead? 13.02.19 # I'm interested in starting it as a hobby 13.02.46 # i've got a working knowledge of C but don't have any knowledge of embededded programming 13.02.55 # why not start working on Rockbox with an already working device? 13.03.18 # the e200 series needs still work ... and the other ports also have room for improvements 13.03.47 # sorry is this line ok for backup firmware? ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda2 -r bootpartition.bin 13.03.56 # i already a h120 running on rockbox 13.03.57 # or /media/IPOD ? 13.04.02 # mucker: You should find out some things before trying a port - mainly what CPU is in the device, and how easy it will be to safely run your own code (i.e. is the firmware encrypted, is there a safe recovery method when your code crashes). 13.04.22 # That will make the difference between a (relatively) easy and hard port. 13.04.43 # df -h says that my ipod is here /dev/sda2 3.8G 2.1G 1.8G 54% /media/IPOD 13.05.13 # The CPU needs to be supported by GCC, and it will be a great help if a datasheet is publically available. If there's no datasheet, you'll need to reverse-engineer the existing firmware. 13.05.20 # I had did a search on it and found some system schematics which I'd assume come in handy with embedded programming? 13.05.36 # doktoreas, while I don't know exactly as I don't own an ipod I guess you'll need to use the disk instead of the partition, i.e. /dev/sda 13.05.37 # mucker: Yes. Does that list the major chips? 13.05.48 # now fine sorry 13.05.57 # i need to run by root 13.06.07 # and so --scan found the ipod 13.07.36 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 13.07.45 # i had did the search last night but unfortunately it was just the device dissasembbled 13.07.49 # hears the link http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/11/sandisk-sansa-c200-disassembled.php 13.09.15 Join DreamThief|off [0] (n=mathias@p54A80A18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.09.19 # * bluebrother leaves for a while 13.10.35 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 13.11.18 # lol it's blocked with an usb icon 13.11.31 # is there any way to rset it? 13.12.15 # mucker: I don't recognise any of those chips as being the CPU... 13.13.23 # any way to make the ipod asking me what OS to run? 13.13.56 # is there a way to reset it? 13.13.58 # doktoreas: using one of the latest daily builds? 13.14.01 # doktoreas: try menu+select during some seconds, when it's blocked 13.14.01 # yes 13.14.29 # select? 13.14.39 # mickael___: You could use the "loader2" bootloader written for the ipodlinux project. That gives you a boot menu. 13.14.52 # (and also loads Rockbox). 13.15.18 # ok rebooted 13.15.37 # hold menu+select (center button) to reboot (unplugged usb) - then when you see the apple while it's rebooting press select+play - then you'd have to install an older daily (27th worked here) 13.15.44 # i see a menu with clanedar Contacts Notes and rockbox 13.15.46 # linuxstb: i install the linuxipod boot loader, and put the rockbock files into the root directory of the ipod? 13.15.50 # linuxstb: what are you thinking about the 402? 13.15.56 # doktoreas: That's the file browser, not a menu. 13.16.02 # if i select rockbox it bring me back to this 13.16.06 # ahhhhhh 13.16.11 # so i can put file in there? 13.16.28 # i just haven't gone further for: 1, lack of time; 2, i can't brick it - i have no money, it has NO recovery things, one bad flash and its gone. 13.17.07 # mickael___: Yes. 13.17.30 # daurnimator: I haven't decided. I'm busy with mpegplayer at the moment. 13.17.32 # linuxstb: thanks I've tried doing a web search for the device CPU but nothing has come up, I'll try a more thorough look later on or find a forum where I will get info 13.18.10 # ok linuxstb, but i saw that the ipod nano is not officially supported by ipodlinux 13.18.11 # mucker: why have you picker the c200? 13.18.30 # Maybe start a thread in the Rockbox "New Ports" forum (if there isn't one already). If you post the link to that dissection article, maybe someone can help identify the components. 13.18.59 # mickael___: IPL doesn't officially support anything newer than the third generation. But it works. 13.19.12 # ok linuxstb thanks 13.19.42 # mickael___ : nobody's done it which makes it a challenge and it's relitvely cheap 13.20.23 # mucker: One thing you could do is to try and find a firmware upgrade file (if any exist), and examine it. 13.20.39 # i don't know why anyone would buy a player with a hard limit of less than 4gb 13.20.40 # That should give you a hint about how easy it will be to add your own code. 13.23.37 # just another question : installing other os can damage my ipod, reduce its lifespan? 13.24.24 # (without changing anything in the debug menu ;) 13.24.37 # Any H300 users around who want to test mpegplayer with audio? 13.24.51 # (or X5) 13.24.59 # * Genre9mp3 raises hand! :) 13.25.09 # Which do you have? 13.25.12 # H300 13.26.26 # Firstly download one of the .mpg files in http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ - it's probably only worth trying the smaller one. 13.27.23 # Do you want a rockbox.zip or a patch? 13.27.38 # patch please :) 13.27.54 # OK, just don't look at the code... It's not yet presentable. :) 13.28.13 # hehe 13.31.01 # http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-v3.diff 13.31.01 # * Genre9mp3 has fired-up VMware and (can't) wait 13.31.08 # thanx! 13.32.11 # That includes a lot of PortalPlayer-specific changes to Rockbox as well (the kernel-on-cop patch), but that shouldn't affect the h300 builds. 13.33.50 # * Genre9mp3 is compiling now 13.34.42 # linuxstb: cheers, I'll have a look and try to find answers to your questions 13.36.57 Join fleytin [0] (n=user@ppp91-76-113-146.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 13.38.01 Join Nimdae_ [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 13.38.53 Quit mucker ("Leaving") 13.41.15 Join webguest26 [0] (i=54b3effa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a1cf45cd99f67487) 13.41.19 # Genre9mp3; Still compiling? 13.41.52 # nope 13.42.01 # I'm listening to the videos... ;) 13.42.05 Join Angryman_H10 [0] (i=543890bd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2734b907ad7b8727) 13.42.13 # I hate to ask, but at what FPS? 13.42.47 # If someone of the devs here has a little time and could register me to the wiki it wold be very appreciated ;-) 13.42.47 # 176x128 @ 14-15fps 13.42.57 # I think I forgot to mention that it will probably crash, so you'll need to reset... 13.43.13 # That's not too shabby. Have you downloaded the 224x176 mpg? 13.43.19 # though it already crashed twice with PANIC stkov main 13.43.37 # hi can someone please say me how to delete my wiki/flyspray account? i don't feel comfortable anymore with my realname and emailadress there 13.43.45 # don't worry, I have pins around 13.44.02 # Genre9mp3: OK... Try increasing the stack size in line 180 of firmware/app.lds 13.44.16 # Or maybe it's another problem... 13.44.23 # ok... let me test the 224x176 first 13.44.36 Join lavish [0] (n=lavish@81-174-24-232.f5.ngi.it) 13.44.48 Quit Nimdae (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.44.49 # Is the stkov error random, or appearing in the same place? 13.45.01 # 224x128 that is 13.45.23 # first time was earlier but I was pushing some buttons 13.45.51 # Is the sound working perfectly, or are there any skips? 13.45.51 Quit Angryman_H10 (Client Quit) 13.46.06 # no skips 13.46.39 # sound... sounds perfect! :) 13.47.22 # If you have chance, it would be interesting if you could test the .m2v versions of those .mpg files with the old mpegplayer and post the framerates you get for comparison. 13.47.48 # sure 13.48.00 # 224x128 @ around 11fps! :) 13.48.21 # and didn't crash till now 13.48.54 # Can you try changing line 180 of firmare/app.lds to 0x2200 instead of 0x2400? 13.48.56 Quit fleytin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.49.07 # That will reduce the stack size (it's 0x2000 in CVS). 13.49.10 # of course everything is out of sync, should I try with skip frames, too? 13.49.38 # I think your random stackov crashes are caused by something else overwriting the stack - i.e. not a "real" stack overflow. 13.50.08 # skip frames probably won't help. You'll need to encode a file with a lower framerate. 13.50.24 # If you enable skip frames, it probably won't display any frames at all... 13.50.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.50.41 # did I read audio+vid in mpegplayer? 13.50.48 # JdGordon: Indeed :) 13.50.57 # ok the second one (224x128) didn't crash... It played (the sound till the end)/ the video was still back) and then exited 13.51.00 # awesome, wel done 13.51.04 # Scroll back for the patch I gave Genre9mp3 13.51.16 # Genre9mp3: what target are you testing on? 13.51.22 # H340 13.51.34 Nick Everybody|Determ is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 13.51.45 # ok, ill grab my sisters nano and see wha happens 13.51.45 # It can do almost 30fps full-screen with audio on the Nano... 13.51.52 # nice 13.52.08 # (making use of the COP for the video decoding) 13.52.58 # actually, I cant get it 13.53.03 # Genre9mp3; If you encode your own videos, make sure to resample the audio to 44.1KHz. It can be either mp2 or mp3, and multiplexed into an MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 program stream. 13.53.14 # 11fps is only slightly leess than the OF on h300 so well done 13.53.42 # * Genre9mp3 recompiles with 0x2200 13.53.43 # There are still mirak's optimisation patches in flyspray which haven't been applied yet, so it should do more. 13.54.08 # linuxstb: Wouldn't these patches need updating? 13.54.11 # Also, that test video has relatively high bitrate audio (170kbps lame-encoded VBR). 13.54.33 # Genre9mp3: What do you mean? 13.54.38 # Oh, mirak's patches? 13.54.41 # yes 13.55.08 # I've no idea... The ASM optimisations should still apply cleanly, but the IRAM patches may now conflict with libmad's use of IRAM. 13.55.37 # ok... I'll retry now with the change you've point to me 13.56.34 # I'm not sure what to do about the stack size - whether it would be acceptable to increase Rockbox's main stack by 10%, or if I should dig into libmad to reduce its stack usage... 13.58.43 # hmmm... I got a PANIC stkov dircache :/ 13.58.52 # while booting 13.59.04 # That's odd... 13.59.12 # You changed it to 0x2000 ? 13.59.18 # yes 13.59.25 # I mean 0x2200? 13.59.36 # eer... yes... 0x2200 13.59.44 # again... I can't boot 14.00.07 Quit Nimdae_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.00.12 # btw I've seen such reports in MisticRiver lately 14.00.24 # (Panic with dircache) 14.00.40 # So maybe it's unrelated. 14.00.58 # never had it before... I managed to boot now with cleared settings 14.01.01 # * linuxstb wonders why there are so many reports on misticriver and not here... 14.02.13 # nope... again PANIC stkov while playing the 176x128 mpg 14.02.44 # Can you try again and see if it happens in the same place. A "real" stkov should be repeatable. 14.03.36 # hmmm... seems like it was in the same place 14.03.44 # I'll retry 14.04.05 # OK, then you'll probably need to increase the stack size again. 14.04.33 # 3rd time in the same place 14.04.49 # so what I should test now? 14.05.15 # Try 0x2300... 14.05.15 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.05.26 # ok 14.06.10 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 14.06.33 # btw... the original patch was at 2400 14.07.11 # s/patch/value 14.08.24 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50350 14.08.35 # ^about the PANIC with dircache 14.11.23 Quit Nimdae (Remote closed the connection) 14.11.48 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 14.11.56 # with 0x2300: PANIC just right after finished buffering (the file didn't start) 14.12.04 Join fleytin [0] (n=user@ppp91-76-115-78.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 14.12.06 # I think it needs 0x2400+ 14.12.59 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 14.13.13 # happened twice 14.13.20 Join debauched_sloth [0] (n=debauche@c-24-63-72-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 14.13.56 # OK. 0x2100 seems to be enough on my ipod... 14.13.56 # should I try with 0x2500? 14.14.20 # Why not. 14.14.28 # ok 14.16.42 # linuxstb: also, can you point me to mirak's patch. I want to try if it patches cleanly 14.16.49 Join webguest31 [0] (i=54b3effa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4e5c3928deb8ee2d) 14.16.51 Quit Nimdae (Remote closed the connection) 14.17.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5995 14.17.48 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 14.17.51 Part fleytin ("ERC Version 5.1.4 (IRC client for Emacs)") 14.19.42 # What does the original firmware on the H300 support for video? Is it 10fps? 14.20.39 Join fleytin [0] (n=user@ppp91-76-115-78.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 14.20.41 # 10fps MPEG4 (XVID) 14.20.50 # full screen 14.21.33 # isnt it 15fps? 14.21.42 # nope.. 10fps 14.24.06 # no PANIC at 0x2500 so far :) 14.24.39 Quit lubiix908 ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.26.20 # if its just dircache stkovin can you just increase its stack size instead of the default_size define? 14.26.32 # 176x128 is stabilized at 14fps now :) 14.27.15 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/administrator/Febs) 14.29.08 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 14.29.13 Join trypt0 [0] (n=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 14.30.47 # and 224x128 at 11.7fps 14.30.56 # Genre9mp3: I'm impressed at the speed. I was expecting more of a slow-down, but I guess libmad is very well optimised for Coldfire, so it's not affecting video speed that significantly. 14.31.15 # But I can't remember the old fps figures... 14.31.46 # Well I can try with a clean CVS build... just a moment 14.32.00 # I'll try to encode some more versions of elephants dream at 12fps - that should work OK with frameskip enabled. 14.32.53 # But my preferred mpeg encoded (mpeg2enc) refuses to encode at unofficial framerates, so I'll have to use mencoder/ffmpeg. 14.32.59 # s/encoded/encoder/ 14.34.33 Join jtravs [0] (n=jtravs@dyn-62-56-123-34.dslaccess.co.uk) 14.37.39 Quit trypt0 ("Leaving") 14.38.12 # with CVS build and 224x128 (no sound) I get: 18.8fps instead of 11.7fps (with sound) 14.39.10 Quit Nimdae (Remote closed the connection) 14.39.22 # Since new folks arrived here I will repeat my question. (sorry for bothering others). Has anyone succesfully compiled rockbox with the patch 6331 applied? 14.39.35 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 14.41.08 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 14.42.24 Part jtravs ("Konversation terminated!") 14.42.33 # linuxstb: mirak's patch has also an idct.c file, do you know where I have to place it? 14.43.06 # In apps/plugins/mpegplayer/ I would guess. 14.44.16 # And thanks for the "old" fps value. So it looks like audio decoding is about 35% of CPU. 14.44.22 # hmm.. it already exists 14.45.26 # Odd.. Try just replacing it then. 14.45.40 Quit Nimdae (Remote closed the connection) 14.45.48 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 14.49.41 # I'll first try without replacing it... (he doesn't mentions anything about it though in the tracker) 14.50.06 # Does the diff itself include changes to idct.c? 14.50.16 Quit Juice^ ("- nbs-irc 2.0 - www.nbs-irc.net -") 14.50.19 # yes... that's why I found it a bit odd 14.50.34 # Have you done a diff between the patched idct.c and the one on the tracker? 14.50.55 # nope, not yet 14.51.16 # All I know is that the one in the tracker is slightly smaller 14.51.41 # Hopefully mirak will see the progress with mpegplayer and come back to work... 14.57.10 Quit Nimdae (Remote closed the connection) 14.57.27 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@71-11-210-76.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 14.58.19 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.59.44 # ok with mirak's patch I get, 176x128 with sound: 18.4fps instead of 14fps and 224x128 with sound: 15.1fps instead of 11.7fps 15.00.24 # Nice... 15.00.57 Part fleytin ("ERC Version 5.1.4 (IRC client for Emacs)") 15.02.17 # So it should be beating iriver's player with full-screen video. 15.03.22 # 18fps on iriver with sound? thats neat! 15.03.36 # Not full-screen though... 15.03.36 # yes... I think we are already ahead on this :) 15.03.45 # wohoo :) 15.03.51 # oh 15.03.56 # linuxstb 15.04.00 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-100-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.04.00 # at what audio bitrate btw? 15.04.19 # That's a 170kbps Stereo 44.1kbps lame-encoded VBR MP3. 15.04.22 # DYN, 402 can play back 30fps divx/xvid at up to 720x576 nativly 15.04.24 # with no lag 15.04.30 # looks awesome - scaling is great 15.04.47 # daurnimator: That's too easy... :) 15.04.52 # mmh..wud decreasing to ie 128k fix increase fps? 15.04.56 # it's more fun doing video on players with no power... 15.05.02 # lol 15.05.05 # linuxstb: btw, when I do "open with..." mpegplayer, it takes me to mpegplayers menu and doesn't try to directly play the movie 15.05.31 # linuxstb: oh, you will 15.05.32 # it uses the dsp 15.05.34 # while If I select an .m2v file it plays it immediately 15.05.34 # Genre9mp3: Yes, that's a temporary fix because the menu no longer works in the video player itself. So it shows the menu at the start to allow you to change settings. 15.05.42 # which - unless we steal closed code from neuros 15.05.47 # we can't use for video decoding 15.06.00 # linuxstb: Ah ok.... good to know that 15.06.22 # and I noticed that I couldn't go to the menu when playing so this explains it 15.06.22 # Genre9mp3 wud decreasing audio bitrate to ie 128k fix increase fps? 15.06.41 # muesli-: haven't tried... probably a little 15.06.54 # daurnimator: Sounds similar to the ipod 5g's Broadcom chip. We could run the Apple firmware on the broadcom chip and try to communicate with that, but that kind of thing isn't really satisfactory. 15.07.02 # you will most likely end up just having an arm9 @ between 81 & 180mhz 15.07.13 # i mean sound quality isnt that important in movies (if you ask me) 15.07.29 # but, we still can do scaling ;) 15.07.43 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 15.07.50 # theres a chip on dm320 just for scaling 15.07.58 # muesli: mpegplayer uses libmad, so it will play any audio libmad accepts. Main limitation is that (at the moment) it needs to be 44.1Khz. But it should be relatively easy to support 22.050KHz if there's a demand. 15.08.04 # goin down to lower bitrate and earning higher fps its a neat compromise imho 15.08.24 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 15.08.32 # muesli: The choice is yours - get encoding... 15.08.37 # ;) 15.23.54 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 15.23.55 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 15.25.46 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 15.26.58 Join Craig_ [0] (n=chatzill@90.240.162.11) 15.28.07 # i'm having some trouble installing rockbox on 30gb ipod video - i get the "model name in input file doesn't match ipod model error 15.28.12 # can anyone help? 15.28.56 # What is the command-line you typed? 15.29.45 Quit webguest31 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.29.57 # ipodpatcher 3 (my device name) -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod 15.30.05 Join webguest48 [0] (i=54b3effa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-03dc97f11031a228) 15.30.28 # basically exactly what is detailed in the manual 15.30.50 # Where did you get the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod file from, and how big (in bytes) is it? 15.31.18 # its a kilobyte and i got it off the downloads section from the link in the manual 15.31.43 # Try downloading it again. It looks like a bad download. 15.31.54 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipod%20video.ipod 15.32.03 # There's no %20 in the URL... 15.32.16 # i have already downloaded again, and no i realise that it's just the way i copied the link 15.32.51 # well actually, when i click through from this page in the manual it says not found http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html 15.32.53 # Just delete the %20, and that should work. 15.33.00 # so i right clicked and save target 15.33.05 # well, save link 15.33.12 # That would just save the "not found" message... 15.33.56 # do you know what the problem is then? i thought it was a server problem at first but it's been that way for ages 15.33.59 # But yes, there's a bug in the manual inserting that extra space. 15.34.05 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.34.15 # Craig_: I've told you twice :) Remove the %20 from the URL. 15.34.34 # got it - sorru 15.34.41 # sorry* 15.34.42 # thanks :_) 15.34.44 # no problem. 15.35.07 # thats more like it - 59kb! 15.35.41 Quit FOAD_ ("I'll be back") 15.35.55 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196) 15.35.55 # done! thanks again 15.36.16 Quit Craig_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 15.38.53 Quit doktoreas (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.41.05 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 15.41.11 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.41.26 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 15.44.30 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.45.22 # Here's a 12fps version of ED for the H300: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-ffmpeg-224x176-12fps-170kbps.mpg 15.45.37 # (full-screen 4:3 version). 15.46.46 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 15.49.14 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.50.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.52.02 # linuxstb I got 9.6fps with that file 15.53.59 # will be so nice when there is sound on the sansa e200 =D im running the different plugins to test it out now 15.54.49 # linuxstb: And If I don't messed up with the builds this is with the mirak's optimisations, too 15.54.59 # starfield is quite nice. lol 15.56.43 # Genre9mp3: I probably need to try and fine-tune ffmpeg's encoding settings - it seems to generate harder-to-decode files than mpeg2enc. 15.56.59 # Maybe it's B-frames, I don't think mpeg2enc uses them by default. 15.57.44 # linuxstb: It's with the mirak's optimisation patch. Just confirmed it 15.57.54 # Hmm... Then time to read the mencoder manpage. 15.58.02 # but the video is full screen anyway 15.58.08 # Have you tried encoding anything yourself? 15.58.21 Join lunacymaze [0] (n=lunacyma@76.238.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) 15.58.24 # 224x176 and not 224x128 15.58.38 # linuxstb: No I didn't 15.59.08 Nick muesli- is now known as muesll (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 16.00.33 # hehe... i found a bug in the pong game on sansa, not sure if its on every player, but i got the ball captured all down on the right corner just staying there going up and down for ever 16.00.52 Part iStride 16.01.48 # Seems mencoder doesn't use b-frames by default either... 16.02.29 # I'll try reducing the number of I-frames... 16.03.00 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96117.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.07.30 # I start creating a whole mess of mpeg files with varied settings in a bit. It appears RMAA has fugged up my sound card drivers, I need to get that sorted out. 16.07.41 # I'll 16.08.29 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-068-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.08.37 # Do you have a freely-distributable video to encode? It would be nice to make more files available on download.rockbox.org to measure optimisation improvements. 16.10.14 # I'll use something open. 16.11.42 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 16.11.44 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 16.13.16 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 16.14.48 # is there a link to the subset of elephants dream used 16.14.50 # ? 16.15.45 Quit jeffb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.20.25 # or am I mistaken and you all have been encoding the full film? 16.21.38 Join fleytin [0] (n=user@ppp91-76-115-78.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 16.29.56 Join muesliii [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 16.30.09 Join yossa [0] (n=chatzill@chello081018216139.chello.pl) 16.30.57 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 16.31.05 Quit kubiix (Client Quit) 16.31.30 Quit muesll (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.31.35 Join karim [0] (n=karim@ip-155.net-81-220-245.rev.numericable.fr) 16.33.14 Part fleytin ("ERC Version 5.1.4 (IRC client for Emacs)") 16.33.47 # what is the difference of adding an EXAMPLE_ACTION_PRE BUTTON1 before actual EXAMPLE_ACTION ( BUTTON1 | BUTTON2 ) sequence in button configuration versus not adding that line? 16.34.59 # what are the cmd line progs for musepack? 16.37.16 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.23 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 16.40.59 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 16.41.16 Join Azure-1 [0] (n=chatzill@pool-72-76-164-11.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 16.46.51 Quit webguest48 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.50.39 Quit muesliii (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.51.51 Part Azure-1 16.53.09 # yossa: I _think_ with the "pre" it will be possible to hold the button1 first and then press button2 additionally - without it the user has to press the two buttons at the same time (I'm not completely sure) 16.54.09 Join bluet [0] (n=ms@108.81-167-77.customer.lyse.net) 16.54.18 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 16.54.22 # where can i get the fonts? 16.54.58 # pixelma: I thought so too - thing is, it appears to be working like you described it would be with "pre" even if the line's not there. Oh well... testing, testing, testing 16.55.59 # http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=fonts am i supposed to get the fonts from this page? 16.57.22 # bluet: the install instructions in the manual section for your player should have a link to the fonts 16.57.42 # they all link to that page 16.57.44 # bluet: you just unzip them in the root of the player's drive most likely, but that may change player to player 16.57.47 # ah 16.57.58 # the dailies (also fonts) are broken at the moment, try http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ 16.58.22 # thanks 16.58.47 Join ElPenguin [0] (n=ElPengui@foresight/developer/elpenguin) 16.59.43 # should i go with cvs or use daily builds for an iriver h10 6 GB MTU? 17.01.16 # and is the h10_5gb for the 5 GB version only or also the 6 GB version? 17.05.25 Join muesliii [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.07.52 # im amazed.... rockbox and viewing images :D it wops the originals firmware's ass so much. you couldnt zoom or view large images on the sansa 17.08.24 Join muesll [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.10.34 # Soap: I've been encoding the full film. It's not that long... 17.10.46 # can do 17.11.00 # I've been using the high-definition version (i.e. the highest quality available). 17.11.16 # rockbox seems from the site to be so much better than ipodlinux. that thing was a sham really, considering the linux based installer didn't work. the irony... 17.11.17 Quit Febs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.11.18 # I'll start encoding w/various variables and make a .torrent if I can figure out how. 17.11.26 # ahh, I downloaded the 1024 version. 17.11.30 # can change. 17.11.50 # I doubt the difference would be noticable when resizing down to our targets... 17.12.11 # that's what I was thinking, since we are well over the 2:1 ratio 17.12.25 # and this computer is slow enough as it is. 17.13.07 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 17.13.23 Join nls_web [0] (i=d9d1bcda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-226f5cc16dba5bb7) 17.15.18 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 17.15.56 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 17.16.33 # ElPenguin: You're preaching to the converted :) But don't forget that without ipodlinux, Rockbox wouldn't be running on the ipods (we used their knowledge to port Rockbox). 17.17.16 # linuxstb: yeah. i found rockbox purely by accident. never got ipodlinux running because their documentation for manual install was so sparse and their linux installer sucked. 17.17.20 # Soap: What encoder(s) are you trying? 17.17.58 # linuxstb: is iRony worth an attempt or should i just go for a manual install? 17.18.02 # I'm going to use TMPGEnc because I'm familiar enough with it to take full control over ever aspect of the mpg stream. 17.18.33 # OK. I'll be interested to compare the output with mpeg2enc. 17.18.46 # if I find a great balance of quality/size/speed it shouldn't be hard to dupluicate the settings with another program. 17.19.08 # but it will be easier (for me) to find said settings with a program I am very comfortable with. 17.19.14 # Does TMPGEnc transcode from all the common formats? 17.19.35 # ElPenguin: I don't even know what iRony is. 17.19.36 # Windows has the advantage of being able to take anything as input you have a directshow filter for. 17.19.53 # linuxstb: some rockbox installer by mako.cc 17.20.13 # Then no. I wouldn't trust any unofficial Rockbox installers - do the manual way. 17.20.18 # so, TMPGEnc (in theory) can transcode anything you can play. 17.20.21 # okay 17.20.22 # ta 17.20.31 # The new instructions are just a couple of commands, so if you're happy in the terminal, it's a breeze. 17.20.40 # and anything it has problems with can be frame-served by a better front end. 17.20.59 # i'm happy in the terminal :) i'll do that 17.21.37 # linuxstb: how bleeding is the bleeding edge? i'm unfamiliar with the state rockbox devs commit code in 17.22.11 # not a bloody stump, but it can be raw;P 17.22.17 # The bleeding edge build is what is generally recommended to use. So developers shouldn't break it... 17.22.28 # it's generally recommended? hrm... 17.22.30 # I wish i could help to get themes up running for the sansa 17.22.57 # ElPenguin: For the ipods, I would say IT IS RECOMMENDED. 17.22.57 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.23.15 # linuxstb: surely not that much code gets committed in a day over the christmas season? 17.23.17 # For the older Archos targets, there is the stable v2.5 release, which people may prefer. 17.23.32 # oh, there are no dailies... 17.23.50 # The dailies have no special status, it's just the bleeding edge build at a certain time of day. 17.24.09 # The difference is that they are archived for 30 days. 17.24.48 # And yes, for some reason the dailies didn't appear to work last night... 17.25.25 # if i wanted to compile from source would i have to set up a new arm toolchain? 17.25.31 Quit muesliii (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.25.57 # Yes. There's a script in the tools/ directory in the source to do that for you (rockboxdev.sh). It downloads the gcc and binutils source and compiles it. 17.26.18 # hrm, tempting 17.27.10 # Are you planning on coding? 17.27.19 # it depends on how much i like rb ;) 17.27.45 # If you don't like it, there's more coding to do... 17.27.48 # heh 17.27.48 # linuxstb: and the last one's seem to have problems (at least ipod mini 2nd gen of 28th/29th - it didn't automatically reboot into disk mode - though everything works as expected when I compiled my own from an updated source...) 17.28.18 # pixelma: I hate bugs like that... 17.29.38 # linuxstb: where can i grab the fonts from if there are no dailies? 17.30.36 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ 17.30.36 # ElPenguin: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ 17.30.45 # haha 17.30.49 # Either of those places... 17.31.55 # the gapless on teh 5.5G ipod is neat 17.32.05 # the Apple firmware gapless 17.33.53 # pseudo gapless on apple. 17.34.02 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.35.04 Join mdke [0] (n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke) 17.35.19 # if the switch from one track to another is seamless, how is that pseudo? 17.35.33 # there are no gaps=gapless 17.35.50 # Why only on the 5.5G though, and not every ipod? 17.36.03 # They all have the same CPU... 17.36.03 # hi there. the helpful people in here yesterday pointed me towards a cpufreq3 patch to try and see if it stops my ipod 1st gen mini from crashing. It has worked ok, but now the ipod is getting low on battery I'm seeing regular crashes. Is there some way I can help by giving a bug report/trace or something? 17.36.03 # don't care how it's done. if I hear no gap, it's gapless. heh 17.36.17 # because a-"gapless playback" has a specific definition which apples implementation does not do. B-Apple's guesstimation fails on some albums. 17.36.17 # pixelma: ta 17.37.42 Join thunderwolf318 [0] (n=BadWolf@ppp-70-255-37-146.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 17.38.41 # at the dailybuilds page i dont see anything besites a header and after it says "Daily Builds" in big black letters the page is blank 17.38.55 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 17.38.57 Quit bluey- ("This computer has gone to sleep") 17.39.09 # thunderwolf318: Just use a bleeding edge build, or see if it's fixed tomorrow. 17.39.21 # ya, thunderwolf318, it seems to be borked at this time, and linuxstb beat me, 17.39.26 # i need the font package first 17.39.31 # * linuxstb looks around for an op to change the topic. 17.39.34 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ 17.39.40 # thanks 17.40.09 # with vid playback, there's about as much chance of rb supporting h.264 as there is of it supporting wma right? 17.40.17 # i.e. not going to happen? 17.40.29 # Coldtoast: Whatever people choose to work on will happen... 17.40.30 # anyone 17.40.33 # ? 17.41.10 Join Caliban__ [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) 17.41.31 # mdke: You could post your findings as a comment to that patch on the patch tracker. I can't offer anything in the way of a solution though.... 17.42.00 # linuxstb: ok. My findings so far as limited to "it crashes" though... I'd like to be of a bit more use 17.42.04 # s/as/are 17.43.07 # Describe what happens in detail. What do you mean by "crash"? i.e. does Rockbox freeze and become unresponsive, or is an error displayed? What are you doing when it crashes? 17.43.28 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.43.28 # Can you provide a reliable recipe to recreate it? 17.43.54 # The most important thing is for a developer to be able to recreate the bug, otherwise he/she can't attempt to fix it. 17.44.31 # linuxstb: it makes a pop sound and turns off. It happens every time I try to play a song and am low on battery, I think 17.45.10 # That's sounds like normal low-battery behaviour. 17.45.10 # that sounds like a battery which drops voltage under load. 17.45.27 # oh. 17.45.36 # I would have expected some kind of message when the thing is out of battery 17.45.56 # glad it's not a crash then, anyway :) 17.45.56 # No, Rockbox doesn't shutdown on low battery, but your ipod does. 17.46.00 # as in the hard drive spins to load up the song, and a battery which measures 3.3 volts with no load all of a sudden measures 3.0 volts when load is applied. 17.46.22 # say, how do I setup a rockbox dev environment on linux? 17.46.44 # linuxstb: with the Apple firmware, I get a little picture that tells me the battery is out, so I expected something similar with Rockbox. There is nothing like that? 17.46.46 # 1) Download the Rockbox source; 2) cd tools ; 3) ./rockboxdev.sh; 4) wait... 17.47.11 # ah, ok :) thank you, linuxstb 17.48.12 # mdke: Not as far as I know. 17.48.36 Join Heat_ [0] (n=Heat@1-1-5-24a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 17.48.43 # oh right. There seems to be enough battery for me to play songs with the Apple firmware, maybe it cuts out slightly later than rockbox 17.49.03 Join Benni [0] (n=chatzill@p5091A93B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.49.13 # oh, it's pretty low. Fine! 17.49.20 # Rockbox is known to use more power than the Apple firmware, but I'm surprised the Apple firmware can play music when Rockbox can't. 17.49.33 Quit Benni (Client Quit) 17.50.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.50.47 # hehe 17.51.11 # yay, music moving back over to pc so i can install rb 17.51.19 # linuxstb: thanks for your help 17.51.30 # You're welcom. 17.51.32 # ^e 17.52.44 Quit muesll (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.54.42 Quit GodEater (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 17.54.49 Join JazzBone [0] (n=chatzill@p5091A93B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.55.13 Part mdke ("goodbye!") 17.57.48 Quit Caliban_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.59.54 Quit JazzBone ("live long and prosper!") 18.00.29 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-089-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.01.39 Join miso91 [0] (i=wtf@adsl-75-49-10-132.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) 18.03.25 Quit bluey- (Client Quit) 18.03.26 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 18.04.03 # On the last step of the new bootloader's setup, I get the error that says "--add-bootloader failed." 18.04.11 # Any explanation to that? 18.05.31 # I'm using Windows on an iPod Nano 1st gen 18.05.40 # with* 18.06.04 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930DB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.11.26 # nvm 18.11.29 # fixed 18.13.01 Quit yossa ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 18.15.04 # any sansa people here? 18.15.17 # linuxstb: which ipod target do you have? 18.19.47 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 18.20.15 Join tical2k [0] (n=none@24-176-78-162.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) 18.23.00 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 18.23.00 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 18.23.45 Quit tical2k (Client Quit) 18.25.07 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p549322F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.26.05 Join _DreamThief|off [0] (n=mathias@p54A82B27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.27.32 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4F29F.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.27.39 Part pixelma 18.28.35 Quit PaulPosition (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.32.46 Join muesll [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 18.32.48 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 18.34.11 Join DreamThief|off13 [0] (n=mathias@p54A82507.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.34.39 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 18.36.08 Quit strabes (Remote closed the connection) 18.36.11 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 18.36.14 # test 18.36.51 # fail 18.36.55 Quit DreamThief|off (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.36.57 Nick DreamThief|off13 is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A82507.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.37.13 # Ooohhh, I said it yesterday but I love crossfeed! Thanks to whomever is responsible for its inclusion in Rockbox. I'm just, like, re-visiting my "woohoo stereo!" 70s' records.. Vangelis' Spiral sounds unreal. 18.40.49 Quit lini ("lini has no reason") 18.41.40 Join Vyrus001 [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-75-17-190-96.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) 18.41.46 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.42.07 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930A5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.42.50 Join bro2baseball [0] (n=Owner@pool-70-109-129-151.cncdnh.east.verizon.net) 18.43.06 # does rockbox support video in the x5's ? 18.43.41 # Vyrus001: Yes and soon with sound 18.43.57 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.44.00 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54987A67.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.44.24 Quit _DreamThief|off (Connection timed out) 18.44.30 Quit juxtap (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.44.51 # i have a question for a dev 18.44.57 # i'm using cygwin for the first time 18.45.12 # and i downloaded the cvs, how do i get into the cvs folder 18.45.20 # to add patches 18.45.39 # Genre9mp3, oh ? i didnt see anything poste din the docs 18.45.50 # what formats does it wok with...? 18.46.06 # mpeg 1 and 2 18.46.19 # hm... i tried copin a vob and it didnt work ? 18.46.42 # did you use the converter on the wiki page?? 18.47.05 # Vyrus001: it's not in an official build yet, the included plugin mpegplayer can only play video streams without sound 18.47.59 # bro2baseball: In shell, you just type 'cd foldername' ... 'cd ..' to go back up one level. That's pretty basic stuff.. 'mkdir foldername' to create a new dir.. 18.48.41 # hm 18.49.02 # musta missed where thats coverd 18.49.16 Quit Coldtoast ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 18.50.43 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 18.51.06 Quit CriamosAndy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.51.16 Part bro2baseball 18.52.31 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 18.53.59 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 18.56.33 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.57.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy : the link at the bottom thats supposed to link for free legal gb roms is dead. what about linking to this one? http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=gb 18.59.00 Quit muesll (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.59.25 # dang, Yar's Revenge! 19.00.00 # I don't see how all of those are "clean" in a copyright sense. 19.00.23 Quit DreamThief|off (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.00.32 # Ultima III is the one which catches my eye. Maybe they don't mean "port" but "clone"? 19.01.03 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 19.01.25 # probably clone 19.02.38 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54933E82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.03.53 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.04.43 # Juice^: sansa.. what model? 19.07.38 # e200 19.07.48 # e270 to be exact 19.08.05 # was just playing chess on it 19.08.08 # :) 19.08.47 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 19.10.05 # looks like doom needs some keys remapped 19.11.06 # ther's a patch for that in the tracker 19.12.08 # ok 19.12.09 Join muesll [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.12.21 # i need to recompile it then right 19.12.27 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.12.37 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 19.12.43 Nick muesll is now known as muesliii (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.14.26 Join juxtap [0] (n=juxtap@wbs-196-2-111-108.wbs.co.za) 19.14.58 Quit PaulPosition (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.16.54 Quit Criamos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.18.43 Quit Ribs (Remote closed the connection) 19.18.54 Quit relaxed ("mplayer -cache 512 -playlist http://somafm.com/secretagent.pls") 19.22.24 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.24.42 # Soap: I have both a Photo and Video. 19.24.59 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.25.17 # when playing photo-sized videos on my 5thGen, the FPS display is cut in half. 19.25.26 # I'm trying to get a picture uploaded so I can show you. 19.26.21 # Genre9mp3: A version of ED encoded at 12fps with I-Frames every 100 frames is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-ffmpeg-224x176-12fps-170kbps-v2.mpg 19.26.28 # Soap: I guess you're not using the system font? 19.26.52 # The lcd_update_rect() is hardcoded to assume the system font... 19.27.25 # ok 19.27.28 # duh 19.28.18 # maybe put rb->lcd_setfont(FONT_SYSFIXED); somewhere? 19.28.43 # Do I need to restore the user's font? 19.29.00 # don't think so 19.29.17 # I'll check plugin.c to see what it does when the plugin returns. 19.30.17 # It seems plugin.c does nothing with the fonts, so I should restore. 19.30.19 # I should have a stack of 4thGen sized movies ready by tomorrow, but at 100mins each, it will take me a while. Thank god for batch encoding. 19.31.01 # It takes 100 minutes to encode, or that's how long the movie is? 19.31.15 # it takes 100 mins to encode on this machine. 19.32.13 # Is the version of TMPGEnc that you're using free? 19.32.26 # free for MPEG1 19.32.49 Join yossa [0] (n=chatzill@chello081018216139.chello.pl) 19.32.59 # not for MPEG2 19.33.06 # What are you using? 19.33.09 # which is why I'm running it on this old machine. 19.33.28 # I'm running the paid version. 19.33.38 # linuxstb: ok, I'll test it know 19.33.49 # Are you encoding both MPEG1 and MPEG2 samples? 19.33.52 # yes 19.34.29 # linuxstb: I suppose that I should get around 11fps since I get 15fps with 224x128 19.34.46 # my suspicion is that at such small sizes mpeg2 won't offer much. 19.35.13 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 19.35.26 # I don't know what the differences are... 19.36.11 Quit muesliii (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.38.14 # 9.6fps exactly the same as previous IIRC 19.39.08 # OK, I'll convert the old 224x176 (24fps) mpeg2enc version to .mpg - it would be interesting to see what that gets. 19.43.00 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 19.45.56 Join jeffb [0] (n=Jeff@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 19.46.44 # linuxstb: I use the batch file for VLC to create videos, how do I alter it to multiplex sound? 19.47.50 # #transcode{vcodec=......,acodec=mp3,ab=128}:std{access=file,mux=ps,dst=thefilename.mpg} 19.48.14 # dionoea: thanks 19.48.25 # transcode is awesome 19.50.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.54.27 # You also need to ensure the audio is 44.1KHz. 19.55.55 Quit yossa ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 19.58.20 # Genre9mp3: The 24fps (mpeg2enc-encoded) 224x176 version: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg 19.58.30 Quit Kittt0s (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.59.20 # does rockbox support ums? 19.59.29 # doh! VLC doesn't recognize paths with greek chars (like "Desktop in Greek" on Greek Windows XP) - that's it didn't work 19.59.33 # that's why 19.59.41 # linuxstb: ok 19.59.47 # bluet: nothing else 20.00.14 # bluet: All the targets Rockbox works on have hardware ums. 20.00.36 # dmesg doesn't show anything when i plug in my h10 20.00.46 # while it runs rockbox, that is 20.01.05 # Ah, the H10s may be different... But it's a feature of the H10, not Rockbox as such. 20.01.30 # okay 20.01.37 # * linuxstb looks around for someone that knows about the H10 20.01.41 # at least it reboots pretty fast :) 20.01.49 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 20.01.59 # bluet: you probably have to wait till rockbox has a USB stack 20.02.49 # will it have one? 20.02.59 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.05.37 Join mechanori [0] (n=M@ool-44c150a2.dyn.optonline.net) 20.07.23 # should i be using the daily build for a fourth generation ipod? 20.08.16 # also, can i revert to the original firmware after the installation? 20.08.32 # linuxstb: 10.9fps 20.08.37 # that or cvs, or an official with a patch that may fix the freezing issues 20.09.12 # linuxstb: btw, all these results are with mirak's patch, too 20.09.12 # mechanori: and yes, toggle hold on startup to get to the original firmware 20.10.27 Join poddy [0] (n=chatzill@90.240.162.11) 20.11.06 # anyone know if it's possible to change the font size for the rockbox file browser? i've just installed it and can't work out how 20.11.32 # poddy: Have you installed the fonts pack as well? 20.11.52 # no - will that allow me to change size of main menu? 20.12.30 # change th font, yes 20.12.48 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20061129.zip 20.13.34 # :-) 20.13.55 # poddy: the manual is recomended 20.14.40 Join secleinter [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-136-195.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 20.14.43 # i've never been one for manuals :-P think i might take note though and go and read it. thanks 20.14.44 Quit poddy (Client Quit) 20.19.22 Quit Vyrus001 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.20.04 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.20.04 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.21.01 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.22.29 Join Dunkelschub [0] (n=Dunkelsc@74-32-49-104.dsl1.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) 20.24.15 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-252-192.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 20.24.35 # Excuse me, could anyone tell me where I could download the bootloader for the Gigabeat? 20.24.52 # Dunkelschub: come to #gigabeat 20.25.16 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 20.25.23 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-252-192.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 20.25.35 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 20.26.25 # Genre9mp3: 10.9fps is a little more respectable... We definitely need mirak's patches though... 20.26.31 # (and more) 20.27.54 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 20.27.56 # (aka karim) 20.28.02 # is the video patch going to appear soon? 20.28.04 # i'm excited 20.28.39 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 20.29.00 # The patch is already available. It's not ready for CVS yet though. 20.29.48 Join bro2baseball [0] (n=Owner@pool-70-109-169-86.cncdnh.east.verizon.net) 20.31.02 # I have a question about patching: I downloaded the cvs and modified it, how can i create a patch from that? (I'm in cygwin) 20.31.25 # bro2baseball: did you check out cvs? 20.31.37 # i believe so... 20.31.41 # how would i know 20.31.42 # ? 20.31.53 # Did you type "cvs co ....." or download the .tar.bz2 file? 20.32.09 # anyway, look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WorkingWithPatches 20.32.24 # yes i've been looking at that for the last hour 20.32.24 # :) 20.32.53 # i'm pretty sure i've checked it out 20.33.06 # Using the "cvs" command? 20.33.33 # well i did" cvs -z3 -d:pserve"r ect 20.33.33 # is that it? 20.33.39 # Easy way to check is if you have lots of folders called "CVS" in all the source folders. 20.33.46 # yep i do 20.34.03 # i'm sure of that 20.34.16 # on the wiki it says 20.34.17 # diff -u oldfile newfile > patch 20.34.23 # From the rockbox-devel directory, just type "cvs diff -u > mypatch.diff" 20.34.23 # to create a diff file 20.34.27 # alright 20.34.39 # i'l try that 20.34.59 # You can then look at that file in a text editor, and see if it reflects the changes you made. 20.35.41 # yes! it worked 20.35.44 # thanks a lot 20.36.28 # linuxstb: Is mirak's patch for any reason not acceptable in CVS or something? 20.36.36 # or it just needs some more work? 20.37.03 # Genre9mp3: My understanding is that it's messy. 20.37.43 # I haven't looked at it, but yes, "messy" is I think how amiconn described it when he did. 20.38.37 # I think it was hard to separate the important and non-important changes. 20.40.39 # I see... 20.41.08 # when i make the build in cygwin i get "arm-elf-gcc: no such file or directory" 20.41.18 # did i install cygwin incorrectly 20.41.18 # ? 20.43.05 Quit Soap (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.43.27 Join Soap [0] (n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 20.43.31 # i followed the directions here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 20.44.24 # bro2baseball, your cygwin installation is either missing the compiler or it's not in the path 20.44.26 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.44.29 # Llorean: semantincs. He never did answer if he could boot apple firmware. Your suspicion he hosed his first partition is most likely correct. The Rockbox bootloader is just fine though, is it not? 20.44.57 # Genre9mp3, you implemented sound ? 20.45.16 # Soap: Yes, as I said in the thread, it should still function fine for loading Rockbox. I did say that? Or did I forget to type it? 20.45.54 # * Genre9mp3 points to linuxstb 20.46.05 # You said that, but you also said that "it's not afterall installed correctly" 20.46.43 # Also barrywardell dan_a, lostlogic for PP targets 20.49.32 # Soap: Well, it's not a correct installation if it doesn't work wholly my my standard, but I guess my phrasing could've been a bit less literal. :-p 20.49.55 # and mine could have been a bit more verbose. 20.50.25 # Soap: I was worried that they'd expect to be able to boot Apple_OS the manual way after getting Rockbox running. 20.51.06 # yea, your preemptive strike was probably the better way to go. 20.51.10 # linuxstb, there are not much changes, only the idct block is extended to 128 byte instead of 64, the struct is put into iram. also, and hem just idct.c have some function in assembly. 20.51.39 # but you can ask me later 20.53.54 # karim: I can't really comment on your patch, but amiconn mentioned he had looked had it. 20.54.08 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 20.54.11 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@84.94.102.8) 20.54.42 # But yes, check today's IRC logs - I've posted a patch with a first implementation of sound. It also incorporates Wett's .mpg parser patch which is on flyspray. 20.55.29 # cool 20.55.32 # So it would be great if we could commit your optimisations. 20.56.00 # someone tried to create .S files but it crashes I think 20.58.35 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 21.06.40 Join muesliii [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 21.07.31 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.09.07 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 21.09.09 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.11.59 Join haiyai [0] (n=haiyai@c-71-195-98-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 21.12.19 # Hi all 21.12.39 # I need a little help 21.13.23 # ask away 21.14.02 # I stupidly changed my font and backround color to same 21.14.09 # now i cant see 21.14.16 # to change 21.14.30 # do you have the new bootloader or the older bootloader? 21.14.34 # reset your settings while booting. The key combo depends on the player ... 21.14.54 # * Soap stupidly assumes iPod again. 21.15.25 # I have a gigabeat 21.16.04 # I think new bootloader 21.16.31 # no idea which the key for resetting the settings is. You could of course simply reboot and try pressing a key until the settings get resetted :) 21.16.53 # you could try asking in the #gigabeat channel 21.17.19 # the new vs. old bootloader is only for ipods as there were some changes recently 21.17.28 # ok 21.17.36 # markun should also know 21.17.41 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 21.17.53 # join /#gigabeat 21.18.16 # use /join #gigabeat 21.18.22 # slash goes first ;-) 21.18.27 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.29 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-79.dynamic.qsc.de) 21.21.06 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F4872.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.22.43 # wow, encoder makes a sizable difference in mpeg playback. 21.23.23 # Comparison? 21.23.34 # my first encode runs only 90% of the speed of the one from download.rockbox.org 21.23.55 # What'd you use? 21.23.59 # TMPEGenc 21.24.26 Join tical2k [0] (n=none@12.107.36.159) 21.24.33 # I know linuxstb said ffmpeg encodes seemed to be slower, at least. 21.25.12 # I have lots of options to play with tonight, but I honestly expected this one to be faster, I didn't encode it the way I had intended, and expected a speedup. 21.25.57 # I encoded to a 4:3 resolution, but forgot to crop, so I ended up encoding black bars top and bottom. 21.26.29 # Ah 21.26.37 # which, I ASSumed would take little power to decode, thus faster than the equivelent res. movie from the wiki. 21.26.44 # i got a friend who wants to put rockbox on their ipod nano... they got it this christmas, are they supported? 21.26.57 # the metal bodied one tical2k 21.27.05 # humm 21.27.06 # as in second generation? 21.27.11 # its "green" so i guess not 21.27.11 # yeah 21.27.41 # they just called me so i dont know much about it 21.27.43 # the green one is all metal body, and it is not supported by rockbox 21.27.53 # alright 21.28.21 # it is a second generation one. It will be a pain to get working. Expect no good news soon unless a miracle happens. 21.29.02 # alright 21.29.16 # what is the difference in hardware, do you know? 21.29.26 # A lot 21.29.32 # In fact, as far as anyone's away "all of it" 21.29.40 # haha 21.29.43 # gottcha 21.29.50 # It's an entirely new port, from scratch, if it happens. 21.30.09 # damn apple! haha 21.30.21 # alright well thanks 21.30.29 Quit tical2k ("Leaving") 21.30.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp165-121.adsl.forthnet.gr) 21.33.19 Part Dunkelschub 21.34.35 # woo! and rockbox lives on my ipod 21.34.40 # that was simple enough 21.35.05 # I don't think it'll ever be simple enough to make everyone happy. 21.35.46 # well i tried ipodlinux, this couldn't be easier as far as i'm concerned 21.35.53 # Hehehe 21.36.09 # Just the fact that we still use the command line is too much for some people 21.36.10 # but noone will ever be happy until you've got an all-singing all dancing GUI with a disgusting picture of someone smiling all over it 21.36.11 # karim: I tried to create an .S file from your patch but failed before even starting the file 21.36.33 # it was you ? 21.36.39 # I couldn't figure out which parts of the messy stuff is needed and which is not 21.36.40 # on the tracker 21.36.48 # No, not on the tracker 21.37.07 # there are just two functions 21.37.18 # maybe you have an old one 21.37.37 # I remember having let some functiuns not enabled 21.37.37 # There is so much commented out stuff and multiple alternative implementations that I gave up 21.37.59 # have you a link to the tracker ? 21.38.25 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.38.25 # amiconn, if it's not clear then this mans there is not latest version 21.38.25 Join kinglevel [0] (i=d4b5a9c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5e0f5a0aad2bc8d1) 21.39.09 # ok, something wierd is going on, my rockbox is running laggy i've tried a bunch of different versions.. one way i know its laggy is because the bubble game is slow.. it used to be fast 21.39.09 Quit kinglevel (Client Quit) 21.40.09 Join _Margot_ [0] (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.40.32 # ok wtf its fast now 21.40.41 # first time in quite a while.. and it sounds better now too 21.41.22 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 21.41.22 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.49.50 # amiconn, check mpeg2_idct_add_c . the only usefull functions are idct, clip_block_to_dest_add, clip_block_to_dest_add_DC this 2 last methods have alternative versions, but that's just the way they are wrotte in asm. There also C version of previous ASM versions of idct_col and idct_row. I merged the two asm versions into idct. the C versions are just here to help understand what was done with no mathematics opitmisations in t 21.49.50 # he original versions. 21.50.43 # now for sure this can be cleaned a bit 21.50.49 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.50.56 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 21.50.56 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.50.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.51.06 # a lot 21.52.27 # amiconn, just take what the preprocessor. you can drop what the preprocessor doesn't use when COLDFIRE flag is set 21.53.31 # can't do that now ... 21.54.36 Quit Margot_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.57.23 Join yossa [0] (n=chatzill@chello081018216139.chello.pl) 22.00.44 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.11.02 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 22.12.00 # anyone know why browsing my music would make the music lag? 22.13.23 # what hardware are you using? 22.14.01 # ipod 5g 30gb 22.14.28 # i've tried enabling tag cache and disk buffer.. hasn't helped 22.16.12 # tag cache? 22.16.22 # How old is the build you are running? 22.17.37 # i think its the cvs.. been trying a few builds 22.18.24 # oh i'm using the ace version right now.. 22.18.31 # ace build even 22.19.02 # i will try cvs 22.19.22 # yea, that ace build is pretty old 22.19.46 # You will find that audio doesn't skip due to scrolling anymore. 22.19.53 # though scrolling is slower 22.20.03 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.20.08 # because priority was given to the audio thread over the UI thread. 22.20.12 # oh ok 22.21.03 # how is the iRiver so much better optimized than the iPod 5g ? Did someone who worked for iRiver help out with the codecs? 22.21.09 # no 22.21.17 # iriver port is much older though 22.21.26 # and the hardware is much better known 22.21.28 # yea, firenx, that ace build is at least two months old. 22.22.04 # Kingsqueak: LOL 22.22.09 # ok, lots of builds to keep track of heh 22.22.09 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.22.14 # thegeek: ah k 22.22.35 # I wasn't sure if the iRiver had some built-in decoder function or if it was just reverse engineered or what 22.23.58 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 22.24.40 # hm ok that build is better but now my themes dont work heh 22.24.43 # must be missing some fonts 22.26.16 Join relaxed [0] (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) 22.28.46 Join webguest67 [0] (i=91740560@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-54a34ef84958c636) 22.30.11 Quit muesliii (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.31.24 Join Phul [0] (i=OOOooo@bzq-88-152-101-102.red.bezeqint.net) 22.31.27 # hello 22.35.38 # anyone here 22.37.40 # Phul, if you have a question go ahead 22.38.39 # \o/ 22.38.39 # when will e200 rockbox 22.38.43 # be released 22.38.52 # amiconn: ? 22.38.57 # * amiconn just completed the backlight mod on pixelma's Ondio :D 22.39.05 # :) 22.39.55 # Phul: We don't estimate release dates. 22.40.21 # Phul: Besides, it's somewhat impossible to predict. It's not a case of "we have it done, and will release it on a certain day" like commercial software. It's a case of "We're working on it, and will publish it once it's done" 22.40.40 # But is it matter of years? 22.41.10 # (Tryin to decide if to buy e200) 22.41.25 # It's impossible to predict. 22.41.29 # It's not likely to be years. 22.42.05 Join evilnick [0] (i=evilnick@bb-87-82-1-165.ukonline.co.uk) 22.42.54 Join HawkSlayer [0] (i=47fb8729@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a0f85563046c2ac9) 22.43.00 # amiconn: What parts did you use for that? 22.43.26 # where can i read what it planned to include? 22.43.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndioBacklight 22.43.51 # [IDC]Dragon sent me a "kit" that contained all necessary parts 22.43.56 # hello.. just wondering, whats the link to the plugin index page? 22.44.22 # Does it require a good level of soldering skills? 22.44.31 # Phul: It's just Rockbox. Rockbox is software that runs on MP3 players, so it'll have all the features of Rockbox. 22.44.41 # HawkSlayer: It's PluginIndex in the wiki 22.44.47 # www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex? 22.44.58 # will it have alarm clock? 22.45.37 # yeah i looked on the wiki and i couldn't find it for some reason 22.45.46 # I want to try and make some plugins work on the sansa, I need to know though how to make those plugins compile for this target. 22.45.59 # its probably right in front of me too 22.46.15 # Genre9mp3: You need SMD soldering skills & equipment (that's why it took me a while until I finally did it - first had to get a soldering iron with a fine enough tip) 22.46.26 # The pin spacing of the SM8141B is 0.8mm 22.46.27 # HawkSlayer: Typle PluginIndex in the go box in the wiki... or the search box on the site... 22.46.36 # Genre9mp3: that looks like SMD work, easy to burn something up if you aren't used to it or have a solid soldering station 22.46.45 # yossa: Change where they are in the SOURCES file. 22.46.55 # hmm.. if i have the money (just) is it worth getting a 80gb ipod instead of a 30gb one? (5.5gen, video) 22.47.04 # yeah thanks guys.. i should have looked on the site more to find it lol... i am dumb :) 22.47.08 # amiconn: what size tip did you wind up using? 22.47.13 # 0.4mm 22.47.22 # so how's the video with audio coming along? :) 22.47.33 Join GodEater [0] (i=bryan@host-83-146-15-60.bulldogdsl.com) 22.47.34 # ah k, just getting back into electronic fiddling here, putting together a tool list 22.47.35 # Phul: If the RTC chip can wake the device at a certain time, then yes, if it can't, then no. 22.48.01 # HawkSlayer: "eh, it's just a toy. I think we're gonna scrap it. 22.48.18 # omg please don't! 22.48.27 Quit HawkSlayer ("CGI:IRC") 22.48.37 Join HawkSlayer [0] (i=47fb8729@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b6b8bff741893570) 22.48.38 # * Llorean didn't get the chance to reveal he was joking. 22.48.49 # now you did 22.48.50 # :) 22.49.03 # i accidently pressed alt+backspace 22.49.36 # llorean: thank you 22.49.44 # amiconn: http://apuresound.com/ATAT/PPAS/PPAS.htm that's what I want to make eventually but I need to get my chops back on easier stuff first, give that a go if you're up to it, it's supposed to sound amazing. 22.50.26 # yossa: They should just be in blocks where they're not supposed to load because of the target, and you just need to move them to the ones that do compile 22.51.09 # got it 22.51.43 # Llorean: can the RTC chip do it? 22.52.43 # Phul: If I knew, don't you think I'd have said so, instead of saying that? 22.54.07 # is markun present? 22.54.10 # yes 22.54.16 # what does car adaptor mode do? i cant find anything about it in the manual 22.54.18 # hi HawkSlayer 22.54.18 Quit HawkSlayer ("CGI:IRC") 22.54.22 # oops 22.54.30 Join Takuya [0] (n=Daisuke@69-170-233-119.atlsfl.adelphia.net) 22.54.39 Join webguest25 [0] (i=477d9e2e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0fb4b18685b4dced) 22.54.51 Nick webguest25 is now known as HawkSlayer (i=477d9e2e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0fb4b18685b4dced) 22.55.15 # firenx: That means it probably doesn't work properly on your target yet 22.55.18 # my bad guys my internet keeps going down.. i don't mean to do the enter-exit spam. 22.57.18 # ok 22.57.27 Nick _Margot_ is now known as Margot_ (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.57.30 Nick Margot_ is now known as _Margot_ (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.59.41 Quit nls_web ("CGI:IRC") 23.01.55 Join Bagder [0] (n=daniel@81-236-246-70-no28.tbcn.telia.com) 23.03.27 Quit Phul () 23.05.12 # Bagder: the daily build page doesn't look right 23.05.36 Join trypt0 [0] (n=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 23.06.26 # hm 23.07.13 # Bagder: Several things aren't looking right on the server 23.07.29 # its mainly due to its being overloaded 23.07.36 # For the 29th, some dailies are missing, and no dailies at all for the 30th 23.07.50 # yes, because it doesn't get them built in time 23.07.59 # The server-side commit script fails while trying to send the commit mails 23.08.07 # which is due to too high load 23.08.25 # since they do work occationally 23.10.48 Quit HawkSlayer ("CGI:IRC") 23.11.37 # odd 23.11.58 # not really. sendmail stops accepting mail when the load is too high 23.12.02 # * amiconn didn't encounter a server with such a heavy load that it refuses to do its jobs 23.12.10 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 23.12.21 # All I've seen is that things get sluggish under heavy load 23.12.25 # I believe 15 is the default limit or so 23.12.34 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 23.12.41 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 23.13.49 # its not anything special with our server, it is how it usually works 23.13.50 Join klingemp [0] (n=chatzill@pool-72-86-13-208.lyncva.east.verizon.net) 23.14.04 Join cheesechoker [0] (i=rhomac@hlfx56-1-11.ns.sympatico.ca) 23.14.22 Join ]MrFWorK[ [0] (n=1@015-899-290.area5.spcsdns.net) 23.14.29 # can anyone tell me how to get to the daily builds 23.15.20 # i am at rockbox.org/daily.shtml but there is nothing listed there 23.16.18 # cheesechoker: Just use the CVS builds 23.16.28 # <]MrFWorK[> has there been any progress with the 80gb video ipod disk controller? 23.16.29 # ehm... 23.16.37 # * Bagder messed up the daily builds 23.17.07 # ]MrFWorK[: Just have patience. It'll be done when it's done. 23.17.10 # * cheesechoker forgives Bagder 23.17.24 # wait, is this where they are? http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ 23.17.42 # yes 23.17.45 # * Llorean wonders why cheesechoker doesn't just use the CVS builds 23.17.48 # They're better. 23.18.32 # * cheesechoker doesn't have a compiler on this computer 23.18.37 # Maybe we should rename "daily builds" to something else - e.g. "archived builds". 23.18.50 # cheesechoker: The CVS Builds page has BUILDS, not source code 23.19.04 # linuxstb: I think we should 23.19.13 # oh snap 23.19.27 Quit cheesechoker () 23.19.44 # cheesechoker: They contain the latest changes, even newer than the Daily page, and unlike the daily page don't risk leaving you stuck with a bug for 24 hours that someone introduced right before the daily started building, and fixed right after 23.21.27 # * Llorean wishes there were some way to clear up the misconception that dailies are "safer" or that the CVS builds page requires compiling. 23.21.42 # don't call them CVS builds? 23.21.49 # call them "latest" 23.22.05 # and rename the dailies to archived as linuxstb sats 23.22.07 # *says 23.22.29 # <]MrFWorK[> i'm patient, i just didn't know if there was any progress with it in the past week or so 23.22.42 # ]MrFWorK[, if there were - we'd have said so 23.23.31 # linuxstb: The daily builds do have 2 advantages over the cvs builds: 23.24.02 # (1) all of them are made consistently with the recommended gcc versions for each architecture 23.24.04 # Bagder: Another video for the collection... http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg 23.24.40 # (2) Their timestamps match the actual build time, expressed in CET (or CEST part time of the year) 23.25.11 # amiconn, does (1) mean they're built on a different box than the CVS builds ? 23.25.16 # Both are fixable... The build scripts that run on the remote servers should set the TZ variable to something consistent. 23.25.31 # And all build servers should install the recommended versions... 23.25.55 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 23.26.47 # GodEater: The cvs builds are distributed, the dailies are not 23.27.09 # ah 23.27.11 # That's the cause of (1) (not all build servers necessarily use the same gcc versions) and (2) (the build servers are located in different time zones) 23.27.48 # interesting - who owns all the build servers then ? 23.28.28 # Different people 23.28.44 # One of them is mine 23.29.25 # colocated, or just say in your house ? :) 23.29.34 # *sat 23.29.40 # lord my typing blows tonight 23.29.40 # My main PC at home is a build server... 23.29.59 # The number to the far right of each line in the build table shows how many servers participated in th elast round, and links to a list which server built how many of the builds 23.30.30 # sounds like it would definitely be a plan to standardize all the servers on the right gcc / bin-utils versions 23.30.35 # GodEater: In my flat. It's in fact a plain HP dx5150 23.31.05 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@cpe-66-87-126-135.il.sprintbbd.net) 23.31.05 # (micro tower pc) 23.31.15 # I'd volunteer mine for build duty, but I'm not sure on the reliability of my connection 23.31.21 # what's involved ? 23.31.25 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.31.56 # if it's not too tough I'll set it up - it doesn't do much during the day :) 23.32.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer 23.32.04 # A fast upload (from you to www.rockbox.org) is the main requirement, as well as being able to build a full swcodec build in under a minute (I think...) 23.32.25 # is there a nice script I can grab to test it ? 23.32.26 # Gah, the wiki lags like hell :/ 23.32.49 # * linuxstb just made those requirements up and should keep quiet... 23.32.51 # GodEater> and rename the dailies to archived as linuxstb sats 23.32.54 # hahahaha 23.33.01 # or rename them to "Daily Snapshots" 23.33.24 # well I've got a half-meg upstream 23.33.30 # Should be enough 23.33.34 # I think - might be 768 actually 23.33.39 # My upstream is just 384kbps 23.34.04 # and it's an AMD 3000XP with a gig of ram 23.34.17 # seems to build a "normal" build pretty sharpish 23.34.55 # Mine is an amd64 3800+ 23.34.56 # 576 upstream - just confirmed it 23.35.03 # (single core) 23.35.03 # sounds like a fine box to add to the collection 23.35.22 Quit strabes () 23.35.25 # I'll probably upgrade it this year sometime 23.35.28 # it's three years old now 23.35.40 # linuxstb: mpeg uploaded 23.35.41 # how goes it GodEater 23.36.02 # jeffb, same as ever - I've given up with the ATA stuff for a while 23.36.06 # it's driving me insane 23.36.07 # same 23.36.32 # still waiting for some masochist with a knowledge of ARM to look at that flash disassembly and work a miracle :) 23.36.46 # heh 23.37.09 # no doubt 23.37.12 # GodEater: A dump from the real thing might be helpful for that... 23.37.28 # hmm, 88% percent framerate compared to the VLC encodes of Elephant's Dream. I'm moving backwards. 23.37.32 # I thought we'd all reached the conclusion the dumps were the same ? 23.38.24 # although I may have missed further discussion - my Wii has had all my attention today and I've not read up on the IRC logs 23.38.49 # the picture is sharper, for the same bitrate, though. 23.40.16 # GodEater: My guess is that they are the same, but it would be useful if someone could confirm. 23.40.50 # linuxstb, well that still means someone with a knowledge of biphase code modulation encoding and decoding needs to get their hands dirty 23.41.01 Part Takuya ("Uh..nande?") 23.41.16 Quit thunderwolf318 (Remote closed the connection) 23.41.31 # GodEater: Only if they are different. No-one has yet compared the same version of the 30GB and 80GB flash. 23.41.50 # that's very trye 23.41.52 # *true 23.41.53 # jeffb compared Slasheri's old version with his current version. 23.41.59 # yep yep - I remember 23.42.21 # as predicted - all the 30G owners disappeared once we'd done the port for them :) 23.42.27 Quit Juice^ ("- nbs-irc 2.0 - www.nbs-irc.net -") 23.43.56 Quit lunacymaze ("Leaving") 23.44.12 # linuxstb: do you know of a program to report on the frame structure of mpeg files? 23.45.26 # GodEater: We should remove 2048-byte sector support from CVS - they'll be back... 23.45.50 # Soap: Sorry, no. 23.47.13 Quit jeffb (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 23.48.08 # I'm just guessing that the speed differences I'm seeing are a result of the frame structure, but I don't know what was used in the wiki encodes. I'm creating a set with a different quantization matrix now, but I can't believe that will affect decoding speed, only picture quality. 23.48.56 # linuxstb, you're mean - but you're right :) 23.49.28 # and this is a different ballgame than making XSVCDs, where the primary concern is quality per bit. Here I think the goal is speed per quality. 23.50.34 # linuxstb: With large virtual sector support, you can make fat32 partitions that linux and rockbox can handle, but windows can't.... 23.50.43 Quit bro2baseball ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 23.50.47 # Soap: Aye, I think most players have enough capacity that more concern will be on total quality of the video (constant framerate + appearance) 23.51.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.51.28 # Large virtual sector support itself is enabled for all targets (since it turned out to be soooo simple after all). :) 23.52.34 # Only the variable partition position support due to large physical sector presentation via usb is enabled for the ipod video only 23.53.33 Quit ]MrFWorK[ ("show me the way to free") 23.54.07 # amiconn, did you ever work out what those new ATA-7 words were trying to tell us on the 80G ? 23.54.20 # Yes. They're telling not much 23.54.20 Quit barrywardell () 23.54.26 Join BigMac [0] (n=Mike@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) 23.54.43 # so are there more logical sectors than physical ? 23.54.57 # or vice versa 23.55.14 # Hey just a quick question, Will a .fnt file used for the gigabeat work on the ipod 23.55.24 # More logical sectors than physical, but it doesn't matter 23.55.24 # I don't know if fnt is a container 23.55.37 Join Ribs [0] (n=freenode@91.84.8.218) 23.55.48 # because all the ATA commands talk in terms of logical sectors 23.56.03 # BigMac: You may note we only offer one Font package on the builds page, not ones for specific players 23.56.06 # At least the backwards compatible commands do 23.56.15 # which is all we've been using 23.56.16 # Maybe it's important for the streaming stuff 23.56.31 # yeah - I wasn't quite sure I understoof the point of that 23.57.30 # Here's my latest commented version: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/ata_identify_5.5G.txt 23.58.26 # The multisector setting still puzzles me