--- Log for 31.12.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 12 hours ago 00.00.11 # That's out of spec for ATA-5, ATA-6 and ATA-7 00.00.41 # well, Llorean, that explains the speed difference 00.00.42 # yeah, but isn't that dump you have from before the multi-sectors stuff is set in the RB code ? 00.00.49 # Soap: If it helps, the typical mpeg2enc command-line I used was "mpeg2enc -b 100 -a 3 -f 8 -D 10 -E -10 -K tmpgenc -4 1 -2 1 -o elephantsdream-$SIZE.m2v" 00.00.55 # the wiki encodes aren't up to full MPEG2 usage. 00.01.01 Part BigMac 00.01.37 # Soap: And here is the mpeg2enc man page: http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=runman&location=mpeg2enc/1 00.01.44 # they are in PPPPPPPPPPPPPPI format and mine are in IBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBB format 00.02.02 # they aren't using bidirectional frames. 00.02.11 # Yes, I the mpeg2enc people don't like B-frames... 00.02.17 # Soap: I noticed the 300kbpsish one for Nano looked lower quality than the 256kbps encodes that VLC had been outputting for me, but assumed that was just because of the source material since I wasn't encoding the same video. or anything. 00.02.22 # s/I// 00.02.41 Quit Bagder ("Leaving") 00.03.22 # GodEater: Correct, but word 47 bits 7..0 defines the _maximum_ sectors for read multiple / write multiple, and all specs say the value 0x00 is _reserved_ 00.03.51 # and it should contain a valid value even if we've not turned that feature on ? 00.04.03 # yes 00.04.05 # hmmm 00.04.33 # The actual value will end up in word 59 00.05.41 Nick BHSPitMonkey_ is now known as BHSPitMonkey (n=stephen@adsl-65-67-114-199.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 00.05.44 # unfortunately I fear that means we won't be able to create an easier to decode file. 00.06.15 # linuxstb, Soap: The only acceptable framerates for MPEG2 are 25 and 29.97? 00.06.23 # is it worth getting the output from a DEVICE CONFIGURATION IDENTIFY command as well ? 00.06.45 # to see if anything odd has been set ? 00.06.45 # Soap: Why? I would expect that files using B frames are both lower bitrate per quality _and_ easier to decode... 00.08.05 # amiconn: really? I assumed that the bidirectional frames took more work to decode. 00.08.23 # they definately do improve quality per bitrate. 00.08.52 # Worth a test 00.09.07 # Genre9mp3: No, 30fps, 24fps (film) and 23.976fps (NTSC 3:2 pulldown) are also valid. 00.09.31 # Genre9mp3: you can do NTSCfilm @ 23.976. But those are the TV standards, you can create MPEG2 streams for computer playback at any framerate - though you need to respect the framerate of your source. 00.09.31 Join Matu [0] (n=bluestar@host-200-76-19-218.block.alestra.net.mx) 00.09.41 Join phrozen77_ [0] (n=phrozen7@p5493154B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.09.47 # Iirc, all mpeg video players on amiga show increased fps when P frames are added (starting from an I-frames only video), and more increased fps when adding B frames as well 00.09.55 # hi guys 00.10.16 # i just wonder - are there any estimations when rockbox will be working on the 80gb 5.5th gen ipods? 00.10.33 # phrozen77_: It's impossible to estimate 00.10.45 # well, my current encode will be to test the matrix's effect on FPS, next I'll hold everything else constant and change the GOB structure. 00.11.13 # Llorean: well, is there anything one could help without being a programmer? 00.11.49 # hmmm... I tried to create a video at 10fps using VLC but it didn't work. It made the conversion but the file doesn't play (both PC and Rockbox) 00.11.55 # phrozen77_, donate your 5.5G to devs? :) 00.11.55 Part Matu 00.12.06 # BHSPitMonkey: heh, well i planned to keep it :P 00.12.10 # phrozen77_: Really, nothing right now 00.12.22 # Rockbox returns error and on my PC it plays only the audio stream 00.12.29 # too sad :| 00.13.05 Quit JackalSMP () 00.13.34 # Genre9mp3: Maybe something else went wrong... Have you tried other fps values? 00.13.39 # Genre9mp3: Bcause 10fps isn't a valid framerate for it... 00.14.32 # linuxstb: The source file is encoded at 25fps 00.14.57 # The framerate is just specified in terms of the number of 27MHz ticks per frame. So it can be more or less anything (but the MPEG specs limit it). 00.15.49 # Llorean: any ideas what the actual issues with the 80gb models are? 00.16.14 # phrozen77_: Simple - Rockbox can't access the disk and no-one knows why. 00.16.25 # ftw 00.16.36 # everybody and their dog can access the disk 00.16.38 # ;) 00.17.50 # linuxstb: I have tried 12 and 8 fps.. none of them worked, I'll try with a different video 00.18.08 # Did the 12fps video I created work? 00.18.14 # Genre9mp3: You need to OUTPUT at a framerete MPEG like, or you'll get audio only files. 00.18.24 # Genre9mp3: I had the same problem with VLC yesterday. 00.18.24 # linuxstb: yes 00.18.33 # Other encoders might work, but VLC will reject it 00.18.38 # Does vlc just use ffmpeg? 00.18.44 # Llorean: I see, thanks 00.18.52 # linuxstb: I think so 00.19.17 # linuxstb: would there be a way to test it why it fails? 00.19.36 # phrozen77_: You could lend the thing to an experienced rockbox hacker with enough interest in low-level things 00.19.45 # Genre9mp3: I'm not sure if there are other framerates VLC likes besides the ones linuxstb mentioned, but if you give it an invalid one, you get what you described (audio, no video) 00.20.37 # Llorean: I see, I'll try with a different encoder then 00.20.38 # Here's the mencoder command-line I used for my 12fps encode - mencoder -v -of mpeg -srate 44100 -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2 -af resample=44100:0:0 -vf pp=lb,spp,crop=1440:1080:240:0,scale=224:176:0 -ofps 12 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=$BITRATE ../elephantsdream-1920-hd-mpeg4-su-ac3.avi -o tmp.mpg 00.20.57 # amiconn: and who would that be? 00.21.22 Nick mickael___ is now known as mickael__ (n=mk@AOrleans-154-1-178-198.w90-20.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.21.36 # linuxstb: very useful, thanks 00.24.08 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 00.27.04 # phrozen77_: Depends on where you're from 00.27.09 # .de 00.27.17 # Oh, me too 00.28.37 Quit yossa ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 00.32.05 Quit midkay ("*poff*") 00.32.34 # Sometimes I can't understand people's reactions... You tell them that we have video with sound and they immediately complain about the lack of playback controls... Argh 00.33.05 # small finger -> whole arm 00.33.46 # amiconn: so - you are a "experienced rockbox hacker with enough interest in low-level things"? 00.34.25 # I think one could say so... 00.34.34 Nick Genre9mp3 is now known as one (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 00.34.43 # He is 00.34.44 # He's definitely got the experience and the skill 00.34.56 Nick one is now known as Genre9mp3 (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.202) 00.36.06 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 00.38.00 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.39.56 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 00.39.56 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.40.06 # * linuxstb vouches for amiconn as well 00.40.39 # Genre9mp3: He was either trolling or simply doesn't understand how Rockbox is developed. 00.40.42 # * Mouser_X missed something. Probably not important. 00.41.28 Quit ElPenguin ("leaving") 00.44.03 # I think part of it is, to most people it's "There's no video with sound, there's no video with sound... There's video with sound" 00.44.07 # It's like flipping a light switch. 00.44.30 # And so on some level, since they don't really understand what all goes on, the thought pattern is that one day someone finally sat down and did it. 00.45.11 # I mean, video players with sound are everywhere, they must know HOW, and they must have a lot of information to work from, so surely it didn't actually take a lot of work if it just happened that suddenly, without alphas and betas and half-working versions of sound where there was skipping or it sounded bad... 00.47.22 # * Soap needs a faster computer. 00.47.47 # there's video with sound on rockbox? 00.48.02 # Nimdae: Not in CVS yet 00.48.10 # It still lacks a lot, such as "the ability to play files larger than RAM" 00.48.21 # oh 00.48.27 # i thought i missed something, heh 00.48.35 # didn't the original mpegplayer read larger than ram files ? 00.48.40 # (the soundless one) 00.49.14 # dionoea: Yup, doesn't mean that this one does though. :-P 00.49.16 # so it's only capable of playing like 10 second videos with sound atm? 00.49.25 # Llorean: i was just checking :p 00.49.39 # not that video is important to me 00.49.45 # Nimdae: At least 3 or 4 minutes on my Nano. 00.49.52 # i don't care to watch videos on my ipod :P 00.50.05 # Llorean: It does play files larger than RAM 00.50.22 # Genre9mp3: It just doesn't rebuffer so it hangs once RAM is reached. 00.50.24 # shush! now they'll all want one! 00.50.26 # Or has that been fixed? 00.50.44 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.51.56 # Llorean: Not sure to tell you the truth... I mean I played an mpg today that was 51MB, I think it stopped playing when the audio stream has finished (the video was out of sync back) but maybe it stopped because it didn't rebuffer then? 00.52.04 # Soap: you can try using projectX to analyse your mpeg files 00.52.18 # dionoea: no I didn't try that. 00.52.44 # VDubMod shows what each individual frame type is, you just need to key through them in order. Not the easiest way. 00.52.49 # Genre9mp3: I know the version I was testing yesterday was not supposed to rebuffer yet, if it's still the same patch, then it shouldn't be rebuffering. 00.52.56 # oh ok :) 00.53.02 # Genre9mp3: It'll load up fine, but after a certain point, just hang. 00.53.05 # I'll try that though. 00.53.19 # Llorean: hang or just exit? 00.53.46 # Genre9mp3: For me, it just hung. Froze up. 00.54.29 # It just exited to me today... linuxstb should know 00.55.01 # Genre9mp3: Well, the whole program seems shaky. On shorter files, sometimes it freezes, sometimes it scrambles stuff all over the screen, and sometimes it exits gracefully for me. :) 00.56.10 # is it using the ipod decoder or is it still just using the cpu? 00.56.26 # cpu 00.56.32 # Nimdae: I played it on my Nano. Guess. :-P 00.56.42 # Llorean: Never crashed/frozed on me with H300 with stack size set up to0x2500 00.56.42 # so it's a battery killer 00.57.29 # Llorean: today's testing that is 00.57.49 # Genre9mp3: Maybe be a difference between dual core use and single core use. 00.57.56 # Nimdae: No moreso than playing Doom is. :-P 00.58.01 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.07 # i don't play doom on my ipod :P 00.58.21 # the second core is working now? 00.58.21 # But nobody's even really investigating the broadcom chip 00.58.27 # perhaps... I believe there are things very well hidden on this PP beast 00.58.49 # I mean, it only benefits one target, so it's kinda a lot of effort for a very small gain over other investments of dev time anyway 00.59.00 # 'specially since Video isn't a primary focus, either 00.59.25 # well, like people keep saying, if someone has an interest in it, they'll work on it 00.59.39 # Doom wasn't primary focus either ;) 00.59.51 # Genre9mp3: Doom was done by someine with the interest 00.59.56 # indeed 01.00.18 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 01.00.31 # i could honestly live without the video playback, i just think it's neat :P 01.00.49 Quit webguest67 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.00.56 # Nimdae: I could live without it, but now that it's almost there, I find myself wishing rebuffering worked. 01.01.07 # lol 01.01.23 # i'm more interested in the second core and usb 01.01.46 # Well, the second core is being used for video playback 01.01.48 # for me it's really impressive the first time... almost as impressive as .rvf on those Archoses screen ;) 01.01.55 # Which is why we get 25-30fps with audio on the Nano 01.02.33 # When I first watched an .rvf on my Ondio I was left with my mouth open 01.02.33 # what about just plain audio playback though? 01.02.46 # Nimdae: There's a patch in the tracker for that 01.03.04 # i haven't kept up with it, last i checked it worked, but was unstable 01.03.19 # Nimdae: Doesn't offer the performance increases expected, but there's something getting in the way (theories relate to memory bandwidth, lockstepping between threads, and other things) 01.03.29 # But it did give me about a 5% battery life increase 01.03.33 Join ender1 [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 01.03.47 # see, i'm not looking for better performance, i'm looking for improvement in battery life 01.04.11 # Well, the second core isn't the primary cause of the battery life issues, most likely 01.04.28 # i would think it to be the boosting of the first core almost constantly 01.05.15 # Nimdae: Ever tried leaving an iPod on without playback and seeing how the battery life compares unboosted? 01.05.38 # actually, no 01.05.45 # That would answer that question right there 01.06.08 # how does it compare? 01.06.10 # But the problem's also probably related to various other parts of the hardware on the PP chip we don't know about. Perhaps the USB controller, like on the H300. 01.06.36 # Nimdae: I haven't either. :) I just thought of it a few seconds ago. 01.07.13 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.07.14 # well, i would hope that you would mean while working unboosted and not idle 01.07.38 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@84.Red-217-125-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 01.07.54 # looks like there's been updates to the coprocessor patch since i last looked, heh 01.07.57 # * Nimdae reads 01.08.12 # Llorean: Yes, nothing's changed - still no rebuffering... 01.08.59 # Nimdae: The CPU doesn't go to the idle speed unless nothing's happening. I suppose the best test would be to take a plugin like Fire, make it not boost so it runs at unboosted but is constantly doing something, and see how battery life is. 01.09.12 # Nimdae: One thing we learned though: It's likely the COP was draining power even when we weren't using it. 01.09.51 # i think that was a suspicion for quite a while though 01.09.59 # Yup 01.10.15 # i remember reading somewhere that there's various hardware components not yet in use that may be draining power 01.10.32 # It's just more or less confirmed now. My runtime test came out about the same with the COP enabled and running a kernel, and came out a bit longer once we moved the codec thread to it so that both cores spent less total time boosted 01.10.38 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.10.52 # Nimdae: That'd be the USB controller, among others. 01.11.02 # yeah 01.11.07 # That means we didn't properly sleep the cop before 01.11.16 # Nimdae: The H300 had a USB host controller that was draining power resulting in nearly half of what battery life should be. The PortalPlayer chipset has a USB controller we don't do too much with yet. 01.11.28 # We need to figure out that clock skipping thing... 01.12.19 # Hopefully the Sansa people will knock the USB part of the PP chip into shape. 01.12.21 # * Llorean is hoping so too 01.12.34 # With the additions from the mysterious Mr. H, we may have some real hope there. 01.12.46 # I don't think this will happen too soon 01.12.59 # Apart from figuring out the chip, we need to implement the device part of an usb stack 01.13.03 Quit ender1 (" Why geeks like computers: look chat date touch grep make unzip strip view finger mount fsck more fsck yes spray umount sleep) 01.13.19 # JdGordon: goodmorning 01.13.25 # morning 01.13.43 # well, for me it's 2AM now 01.13.55 # Sounds like morning to me. 01.14.43 # JdGordon: I just want to point you this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg61792#msg61792 01.14.48 # so yeah, from what i gather, progress on making the coprocessor work is progressing a bit 01.15.16 # Genre9mp3: yeah, I saw it, ill try get to it today, otherwise it will have to wait till next weekend.. (going on holiday soon) 01.15.49 # ok... just want to make sure you know 01.17.07 # Llorean: i will see if i can get some boosted/nonboosted tests done ;) 01.17.18 # now to find my ipod 01.17.35 # Nimdae: I'm curious too. Try to make sure the processor's doing something while unboosted though, to make sure it never drops to idle, as you noted. 01.17.50 # i'm gonna use that flame plugin you mentioned 01.18.04 # i need to check the source to see if it boosts 01.18.16 # if it does i may be able to fork the plugin to a unboosted version 01.18.23 # save on recompiling repeatedly, etc 01.19.06 # Nimdae: I'm almost certain it does, my suggestion was to remove the boosting from it anyway. :) 01.19.24 # i know, i'm stealing the idea and claiming it as my own :P 01.20.01 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.10 # Oh, well that's fine then. 01.20.52 Quit DanielFaulknor (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.22.02 Join DanielFaulknor [0] (n=dannz@203-211-120-46.ue.woosh.co.nz) 01.22.11 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.22.48 # i'm gonna do this on the latest cvs source tarball (newer than what's on my ipod now) 01.22.57 # any patches you recommend? 01.23.17 # ls 01.23.20 # oops wrong window 01.32.48 # Llorean: i should just comment out the 2 boost calls in fire.c? 01.33.52 # gnite guys 01.33.56 # nite 01.33.58 Quit phrozen77_ ("Some people say that I must be a horrible person, but that's not true. I have the heart of a young boy... in a jar... on my d) 01.34.20 Quit x1jmp (Remote closed the connection) 01.34.22 Quit klingemp (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.35.07 # doh forgot what to do after "make" 01.35.37 # Nimdae: Commenting those out should work, I believe. "make zip" 01.35.53 # that's what i thought, i just wanted to check the wiki before i did it, heh 01.38.44 Join Everybody| [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 01.40.10 # Genre9mp3: There's a small problem with the code you pasted on misticriver for encoding, you need a samplerate=44100 to force 44.1 for the audio 01.40.24 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-20-219-13.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 01.40.24 # linuxstb told me it wouldn't accept anything else in its current state 01.40.52 # That's correct. 01.41.13 # Also, vb=600 might be a bit high. 256 looked fine on a 176x128 video, so you might try lowering it and seeing how it looks. 01.41.24 # Lower bitrates should also decode faster... 01.43.14 # * linuxstb wants to steal the codec thread's stack for mpegplayer - 9KB of unused IRAM.... 01.44.15 Part debauched_sloth 01.44.49 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 01.45.20 # Llorean: thanks for pointing out, it's "samplerate=44100", right? 01.46.10 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD0AF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.46.50 Join jeffb [0] (i=newt@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 01.47.16 Quit Everybody|away (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.48.08 Join Everybody|away [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 01.48.14 # Llorean: fixed 01.48.36 # linuxstb: Can't you? 01.49.00 # linuxstb: I thought that Doom did something like that, which caused problems with voice in its menus? 01.49.26 # Genre9mp3: Looks good. 01.49.41 # I think any plugin that uses IRAM at all caused problems with voice. But I think that's been fixed. 01.50.40 # Ah 01.50.43 # ok, the slower draw rate indicates it's not boosting 01.50.53 # Nimdae: Good. :) 01.50.53 # now to run the battery into the ground 01.51.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.51.10 # Sadly you can't use battery_bench during it, so just watching it out of the corner of your eye will have to do. 01.51.32 # But it looks like the codec thread is constantly running, so if I stole its stack, I would need to save and restore the contents. I need a playback guru... lostlogic? 01.51.37 # just read the logs... GodEater where did you found the information that the 80GB HDD from the 5.5G iPod understands ATA-7? 01.51.38 # yeah 01.51.40 # just learned that 01.51.54 # Nimdae: They're both plugins, so can't exist at the same time 01.52.01 # battery bench says press off to stop it 01.52.04 # ipod has no "off" 01.52.06 # heh 01.52.42 # battery is currently 95% 01.52.46 # i'll start it and put a timer on 01.52.49 # Nimdae: (1) What are you trying to do? 01.53.25 # what's (2)? 01.53.27 # :P 01.53.40 # seeing what unboosted battery life is like with cpu activity 01.53.54 # (2) If you need a battery log while running another plugin, unify both into one 01.53.56 # this will take hours 01.54.04 # hmmm 01.54.09 # * Nimdae goes back to hacking 01.54.12 # thanks amiconn! 01.54.15 # CTRL+C, CTRL+V.... 01.54.43 # linuxstb: ctrl+c has a completely different meaning in linux console >.> 01.54.52 Quit Everybody|away ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.55.15 # ctrl+shift+c works in some consoles on linux 01.55.29 # OK, OK,... You all knew what I meant. :) 01.55.33 # ctrl+ins almost always works 01.55.43 # in windows and linux 01.55.57 # ctrl+ins shift+ins 01.57.09 # bah, C intimidates me :( i don't think i could hack together this 01.57.11 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=alexande@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 01.58.08 # after about 4 hours, i will check the battery level 01.58.21 # it will be a very rough test, but at least something 01.58.29 # C is awesome 01.58.49 # i don't disagree 01.58.53 # i juts don't know it well 01.59.21 # * markun notices that he should have tested his latest commit.. 01.59.38 Join Everybody|away [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 01.59.45 Quit jba ("Leaving") 01.59.45 # lol 02.00.00 Quit Everybody|away (Client Quit) 02.00.23 # bad markun 02.00.33 Join Everybody|away [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 02.00.42 # you shouldn't code like me 02.00.45 # markun: Yes, the Edit, Save, Compile, Test, Commit cycle is too easily shorten to "Edit, Save, Commit"... 02.01.22 # markun: #ifdef .... 02.01.28 # amiconn: yes.. 02.01.36 # Apart from that .section .text can be shortened to just .text 02.01.42 # but compiling now for gigabeat and ipod just in case 02.01.49 # amiconn: ok, will do that 02.02.44 # Will we see a fixed gigabeat sim these days? 02.02.51 # What does the "ax",%progbits mean? 02.03.19 # These are section flags 02.04.05 Join Ghoulunatic [0] (i=4a8bc2d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b1fef164821d1a3a) 02.04.16 Quit Everybody| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.04.28 # I need a hand with rockbox 02.05.08 # These don't need to be specified for predefined sections (.text / .data / .rodata / .bss), but for special sections they should be set properly 02.05.23 # bah, my ipod shut down after 11 and a half minutes 02.05.39 # amiconn: Ah, OK. Thanks. 02.05.42 # 82% battery 02.05.55 # idle timeout? 02.06.05 # most likely 02.06.30 # yeah 02.06.32 # * Nimdae turns that off 02.06.34 # Ghoulunatic: What's the problem? 02.06.42 # "ax" means Allocatable and eXecutable, %progbits means the section contains data 02.06.47 # I need the fonts thing, I have a Gigabeat F Series 02.07.04 # and the site is just a page that talks about the fonts, but has no links 02.07.18 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip 02.07.27 # thanks 02.07.29 # i'll put it back on the charger...maybe while it's charging i'll find some way to hack battbench into fire 02.07.31 # There's currently a bug with the daily builds page. 02.07.32 Quit cynicalliberal ("Leaving.") 02.08.11 # ah, so there is a daily build of the Gigabeat F? 02.08.51 # Ghoulunatic: The fonts package for Rockbox is kept on the daily builds page 02.10.14 # I tried to get the daily Gigabeat build but i clicked it and got this 02.10.15 # gigatbeatf is not a fine binary name, try one of these: 02.11.11 # Any ops around who can change the topic to mention the daily builds and give a link to the fonts zip file? 02.12.44 # I'll back shortly 02.19.02 Join debauched_sloth [0] (n=debauche@c-24-63-72-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 02.19.26 Join webguest72 [0] (i=551023d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6ee707f27b2e7bb5) 02.20.19 Join Soader03 [0] (i=18caf221@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d154f138c3b00c0d) 02.21.01 # Someone know why the #gigabeat channel (from the GigabeatFXPort) page doesn't work? 02.21.24 # You can only access #rockbox from the rockbox.org web client. You need to use a real IRC client. 02.21.26 # bcause our webclient is only for this channel 02.22.12 # oh, ok, then... 02.23.27 Quit Soader03 (Client Quit) 02.23.29 # mirc, pirch, xchat, irssi, bitchx, etc 02.23.32 # oh 02.23.33 # he left 02.23.47 # * Nimdae goes back to "hacking" 02.27.15 Quit DanielFaulknor (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.27.59 Join DanielFaulknor [0] (n=dannz@203-211-120-46.ue.woosh.co.nz) 02.30.04 # woo hoo 8/10th of a percent speedup from changing the matrix! 02.30.08 # ;) 02.31.16 # You mean 0.8% ? 02.31.41 Quit akaias (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.32.29 # yes 02.32.39 Quit webguest72 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.33.17 # no discernable difference between video quality, though, when comparing frames. 02.33.36 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Khe!!!") 02.34.32 Join akaias [0] (n=akaias@c-76-16-18-102.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.35.09 # next I'll try 1/2 the number of B frames. My prediction is frame rates half way between the IPPPPP wiki ones and the IBBPBBP ones I made earlier. 02.35.28 # now, lets see how "l33t" i am 02.35.42 # Soap: See you in 100 minutes... 02.35.43 # wtf 02.35.45 # it built 02.35.52 # Nimdae: did you make one combining the pluggins? 02.35.57 # yeah 02.36.02 # cool. 02.36.07 # i have to scroll up to see this for myself 02.37.44 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.38.46 Join nudel [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-106-46.dslaccess.co.uk) 02.43.04 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.43.29 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.43.29 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 02.43.31 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.45.02 Quit BobJonkman (Remote closed the connection) 02.45.03 Quit JdGordon_ ("Konversation terminated!") 02.45.31 # is there a file i need to edit for a plugin to be included? 02.45.43 # apps/plugins/SOURCES 02.45.49 # oh yeah 02.46.00 # i forgot i did that for the first one i did 02.47.10 Join mdke [0] (n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke) 02.47.27 # hi there, this isn't strictly a rockbox question, more of an ipod question, but you've been very helpful and you know lots about ipods 02.47.42 # i hope it's rockbox related 02.47.44 # I put a fair amount of mp3s and oggs on my ipod and have been happily listening to them with rockbox 02.48.12 # now I've tried to copy them off the ipod, and have found a lot of files named *.mp4, which I can't play in my desktop media players. 02.48.19 # does anyone know what the cause might be? 02.48.23 # Nimdae: well, I'm not sure it is 02.48.45 # are these files in the numbered directories placed there by itunes? 02.48.57 # well, I believe I used gtkpod, but yeah 02.49.10 # they are in the numbered directories alright 02.49.13 # You used gtkpod to transfer the oggs? 02.49.30 # I can't remember now, I'm afraid. It would have been that or banshee I suppose 02.49.45 # hah, i forgot to add a function declaration 02.49.47 # silly me 02.50.23 # I'm only guessing (I've never used gtkpod), but maybe it transcoded the oggs to mp4 (i.e. AAC) thinking your ipod couldn't play them. 02.51.35 # possibly 02.51.35 # I'm trying to recall which files were ogg and which weren't to try and test that theory 02.52.13 # would the apple firmware have renamed them if I tried to play the oggs? 02.52.55 # The Apple firmware only plays files listed in the database. I doubt it would rename the files. 02.53.08 # well, unrenaming them hasn't helped either, so maybe your theory is right 02.53.16 # damnit, lots of repair work to do 02.53.36 # I'm guessing you're running Ubuntu? 02.53.49 # If you have mplayer installed, that should play your .mp4 files. 02.53.49 # yes 02.53.56 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.53.59 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 02.54.01 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.55.57 Quit nudelyn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.56.46 # linuxstb: doesn't seem to. 02.57.16 # bah humbug 02.57.52 # I need to use cp and rockbox from now on, clearly :) 02.58.45 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.58.45 # there, now it builds for real 02.58.47 # question is 02.58.51 # does it work? 02.58.55 # knowing me, it'll format my ipod 02.59.24 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.59.40 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 02.59.42 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.59.51 Quit jaebird (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.00.11 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 03.00.35 # linuxstb: thanks again :D 03.00.53 # you guys are exceptionally helpful around here 03.01.59 # i expect a tip 03.02.38 # "Look both ways when crossing the street." 03.02.43 # How's that? 03.02.47 # great! 03.02.48 # thanks! 03.03.11 # Glad to help. 03.03.11 # :) 03.03.14 # hahahaha 03.03.59 # well 03.04.00 Join BenC [0] (i=ben@ben.bint.org) 03.04.02 # it starts the fire display 03.04.13 # but never starts the battery_bench code 03.04.17 # meh 03.04.43 # BenC: Use the "cvs builds" - they're the same thing. 03.04.56 # "fonts" isnt there? 03.05.01 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip 03.05.16 # cheers 03.05.22 # just looking through the install options 03.05.24 # * mdke nods at BenC 03.05.36 # im guessing theres not an installer for it for ipod photo? 03.05.53 # Do you already have ipodlinux installed? 03.05.57 # BenC: do you still have a loder installed from iPodLinux? 03.05.59 # I could have 03.06.05 # I mean - I could install it 03.06.29 # no then take the rockboxloader if you don't want to use iPL anymore 03.06.36 # The ipod install instructions are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta 03.08.59 # blah, i don't have winscp installed so i'm using the explorer based ftp to access my server (where i'm doing the building since it has a build environment already)...stupid thing places the zip file in random places on my desktop and i have to hunt it down onec it downloads 03.10.55 # SWEET 03.10.56 # IT WORKS 03.11.37 Join Gon2 [0] (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 03.11.50 Quit haiyai ("Leaving") 03.12.01 # SWEET IT CRASHED 03.12.30 # :| 03.12.30 # Cannot create or replace .rockbox: Data error (cyclic redundancy check). 03.12.30 # lol 03.12.35 # thinking my ipod is dead :| 03.12.49 # (lol @ Nimdae) 03.13.24 # i think i know why it crashed 03.14.06 # a lot i had to work around to keep from duplicating stuff, and i might have removed too much on exiting from the plugin 03.14.18 # so not everything is closed off 03.15.07 # mmm 03.15.10 # does rockbox play those ipod games? 03.15.41 # Gon2: no 03.15.47 # kk 03.15.59 Join dandaman32 [0] (n=dan@h5.203.29.71.ip.alltel.net) 03.16.08 # it has its own games 03.16.22 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 03.18.11 Part dandaman32 03.24.07 Join KyleX [0] (n=KyleX@ACBC81A3.ipt.aol.com) 03.24.15 Part KyleX 03.27.05 # rockbox = very simple text interface, right? 03.27.35 Join Digamma [0] (i=D0ug@bas2-kingston08-1167929683.dsl.bell.ca) 03.28.03 # From what I see on the wiki; the sansa e200 has attained audio support? 03.28.31 # BenC: it can be 03.28.53 # The CVS...? 03.29.05 # Digamma: Where does it say this? 03.29.25 # markun, just looking through the menus and things.. all black text and battery meter etc, right? 03.29.26 # Well; it no longer states the audio disablilty in the wiki 03.29.27 Quit evilnick () 03.29.43 # Take a look yourself; it has been revised to v9 03.30.07 # linuxstb: should the rockbox mpeg player be able to support VBR videos? 03.30.49 # BenC: you can choose a backdrop, change the font and fontcolour and use a WPS: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g 03.31.10 # Digamma: What page are you referring to, there's no version number on the official Sansa port page. 03.31.25 # I know 03.31.33 # Or are you referring to the r9 of the page revision. 03.31.35 # yeas 03.31.42 # So why'd you say "v9" then? 03.31.49 # Soap: Yes. Are you having problems? 03.31.54 # sorry; I thought it was v9, 03.31.59 # markun are the supported on ipod photo? 03.32.03 # There's still no green check next to the DAC driver, as you'll notice 03.32.19 # Meaning it doesn't work yet. 03.32.43 # linuxstb: I haven't tried yet, but I was going to push the low-bitrate envelope tonight with a multi-pass VBR with high precision motion detection, the whole works. 03.32.54 # In other words; no audio 03.32.56 # (as I slept) 03.32.59 # The "no sound" was replaced with a far more descriptive and meaningful way of saying "no sound" 03.33.07 # Why is there a lack of this information in *r*9? 03.33.14 Part mdke ("goodbye!") 03.33.33 # Digamma: I'd hardly call "Audio DAC driver - We have not been able to obtain documentation for the DAC" with the yellow exclamation a lack of information. 03.33.51 # I apologise 03.33.56 # I did not fully read it 03.34.21 # You need further incinuate that I was hasty 03.34.49 # I have clarified it, it now says clearly on that line that there is no audio support. 03.35.34 # but is there unsupported audio? 03.35.53 # ;) 03.36.25 # oh damn... wen did genre9mp3 leave? 03.36.35 # Soap: Yes, but you can't hear it. 03.37.54 # lol 03.39.59 Join Injection [0] (n=mitchell@cor8-ppp2089.for.dsl.connect.net.au) 03.40.04 # hello 03.40.27 # Soap: I'll be excited when the Sansa has audio. I like it a good deal better than the Nano anyway. 03.40.53 # any progress on creative zen vision m? 03.41.11 # is there even work on the zen vision m? 03.41.43 # Llorean: i successfully (sorta) combined fire and battery_bench and created 2 versions, one that boosts and one that doesn't 03.41.56 # Injection: I would say "No, we're still in the early phases, somewhere around 'Step 1: Wait for people who have the hardware to start working on it,'" 03.42.02 # Nimdae: Good deal. 03.42.14 # is hter? 03.42.33 # Injection: Nobody is working on it. 03.42.38 # mm 03.42.43 # now, lets run the noboost version and see if it doesn't crash, heh 03.42.49 # i want to try 03.42.51 # but i dont know where to start 03.42.56 # Nimdae: Good luck. I'll be curious to know the results. 03.43.06 # me too 03.43.08 # where do i start? 03.43.22 # Injection: i'd recommend browsing the source code 03.43.36 # and possibly browsing the specs on the zen vision m 03.43.58 # kk 03.44.01 # Nimdae: One thing, after about 4 or 5 hours, I would suggest stopping the plugin and quitting, as the buffered writes that the battery_bench use won't happen since Fire doesn't access the disk. 03.44.27 # Nimdae: Then, once you've got the two benches, pick a start point like 90% and an end point like 30%, some range that they both cover with equal voltages at each, and use that to compare times. 03.45.07 # Injection: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 03.45.43 # Nimdae: Or you could just fix it to write to disk every X minutes, rather than using the delayed writes, I suppose 03.47.00 # if i remember correctly, the battery bench will spin the disk up and write if it finds it's not writing often enough 03.47.29 # Dunno 03.47.31 # :) 03.49.10 # actually, if i remember correctly, there use to be no way to check if the disk was spinning, so it would just commit a write, which would prompt rockbox to spin up the disk and write 03.51.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.52.59 # looks like it will write when it is not in usb mode and it has info, and when it is either exiting, it reaches some kind of timeout (i'm guessing), or the disk is active (i'm betting this was added when the function was added) 03.54.06 # yeah, that's a timeout 03.58.57 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-65-67-114-199.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.00.12 Quit Injection () 04.03.44 Join Soader03 [0] (i=18caf221@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-82a0f783c0fd38a2) 04.03.57 Quit excitatory (Remote closed the connection) 04.04.31 # I got a question: is it normal when I listen to music and when I play the plugin "fire", the music cuts every 2-3 seconds??? 04.04.34 Join excitatory [0] (n=excitato@CPE-70-94-39-29.wi.res.rr.com) 04.05.23 # Um, and I'm a gigabeat user 04.05.55 # hi Soader03 04.06.03 # hey, markun! 04.06.08 # which build are you using? 04.06.16 # the 25th 04.06.32 # december 25th 04.08.40 # Soader03: from now on you can get the latest builds here: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml 04.09.01 # still didn't install a IRC client? 04.09.17 # what is the best? 04.09.25 Quit Gon2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.09.31 Join Gon2 [0] (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 04.09.32 Quit Heat_ ("- nbs-irc 2.21 - www.nbs-irc.net -") 04.10.19 # Soader03: I don't know depends on your OS also. But I will go to sleep now. 04.10.24 # Good night 04.10.29 # bye! 04.18.56 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 04.26.05 Quit DanielFaulknor (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.27.21 Quit Digamma ("Leaving") 04.27.49 Quit Bjoern-Erik ("leaving") 04.28.12 Quit Soader03 ("CGI:IRC") 04.31.48 # cutting the number of B frames in half didn't change the FPS one bit. 04.32.20 Quit DerPapst_ ("So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!") 04.33.07 Join Soader03 [0] (n=c4eec77b@modemcable033.242-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 04.33.30 # Haha!!! I found the way to work leafChat 1.8!!! 04.33.35 # sorry 04.34.19 Part Soader03 04.46.37 # Soap: So, B frames should be kept for size/quality benefit? 04.48.16 # well, since my ipod is benchmarking, i'm gonna load up some music elsewhere 04.48.47 Join trypt0_ [0] (n=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 04.50.50 # Llorean: The mpeg2enc manpage would argue with you saying that - "Experts differ on how much using B frames improves compression. In practice unless you have really clean material they tend to be fairly useless and sometimes even harmful." 04.51.28 # linuxstb: Ah, fair enough. 04.51.59 # hmmm...i haven't heard the disk spin up on my ipod (got it against my ear)...i wonder if it's even attempting to write 04.52.08 # linuxstb: In all honesty, I'm already at the "it's good enough for me" point with filesize and visual quality, so now it's just curiosity. 04.52.42 # Same for me. I'm just interested in how encoding settings affect the decode speed. 04.53.24 # Yeah, to me the absolute most important thing is smooth playback anyway. 04.53.56 # oh sweet, i crashed it again 04.53.57 Quit gromit` ("Coyote finally caught me") 04.55.52 # it was definately writing 04.55.54 # heh 04.55.59 # * Nimdae recharges ipod 04.56.54 # 50 minute runtime, 90% to 60% 04.57.32 # obviously not typical battery burn for music playback 04.57.55 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.04.47 Quit trypt0 (Connection timed out) 05.05.39 Join trypt0 [0] (n=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 05.06.17 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.06.42 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 05.08.21 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.12.02 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp165-121.adsl.forthnet.gr) 05.12.49 Quit trypt0_ ("Leaving") 05.14.02 Quit BenC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.14.39 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.15.01 Join adam1302 [0] (i=cbab4195@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f2700e2b0cd918c9) 05.16.53 # Nimdae: The percentage doesn't decrease linearly though. For example, 90% to 10% on my nano is about 3:30, but I get about 5 or 6 hours playback time on it total. 05.17.33 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 05.18.06 Quit nudel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.19.00 # well, this isn't exactly playback either 05.19.17 # i get a LOT more time on playback from 90 to 60 05.19.23 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.19.37 # remember, we're getting a comparison on battery drain between boost and non-boost 05.19.47 # and the fire pluggin is cpu intensive 05.21.18 Part adam1302 05.21.55 Quit miso91 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.23.03 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 05.27.10 # Nimdae: Aye, it really doesn't matter what real percent of your time it is, as long as the 90% and the 60% represent the same voltages for the two tests. 05.35.05 Join Ging [0] (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 05.35.05 Quit Gon2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.35.09 Nick Ging is now known as Gon2 (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 05.35.37 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.39.01 Join Ging [0] (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 05.39.01 Quit Gon2 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.39.03 Nick Ging is now known as Gon2 (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 05.43.56 Join topbloke [0] (n=x@c-67-175-69-82.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 05.44.14 Quit topbloke (Client Quit) 05.45.03 Join topbloke [0] (n=x@c-67-175-69-82.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 05.48.28 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.49.07 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 05.49.08 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.51.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.55.18 Join top_bloke [0] (n=x@c-67-175-69-82.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 05.55.18 Quit topbloke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.55.20 Join klingemp [0] (n=chatzill@pool-72-86-13-208.lyncva.east.verizon.net) 06.02.04 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 06.03.13 Quit karim (Remote closed the connection) 06.03.43 Join neutralrobotboy [0] (n=nrb@177.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) 06.04.02 # hello 06.04.09 Quit Gon2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.04.17 Join Gon2 [0] (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 06.04.38 # is there anyone in here who can answer some questions about the iriver h3xx port? 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06.27.00 # what's coolmon? 06.27.10 # shows computer stats on the desktop 06.27.12 # among other things... 06.27.44 # that looks absurd 06.27.53 # gkrellm? 06.28.13 # oh, that's windows 06.28.14 # wtf 06.28.20 # (coolmon, not gkrellm) 06.29.56 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.30.08 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 06.30.11 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.32.18 Join topbloke [0] (n=x@c-67-175-69-82.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.32.25 Quit top_bloke (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.35.20 Join top_bloke [0] (n=x@c-67-175-69-82.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.35.20 Quit topbloke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.39.15 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.39.25 Part Llorean 06.40.23 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.41.21 Quit killsythe () 06.42.02 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.42.20 Join trypt0_ [0] (n=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 06.44.44 Quit trypt0_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.44.44 Quit Gon2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.44.56 Join Gon2 [0] (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 06.48.47 Join rockboxsucks [0] (i=db5ae346@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5d7ead133bef5cab) 06.49.10 # lovely name, sit 06.49.13 # errr..sir 06.49.25 Join trypt0_ [0] (n=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 06.49.56 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17A93.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.49.57 Quit top_bloke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.50.04 Join topbloke [0] (n=x@c-67-175-69-82.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.51.26 # rockbox is shit 06.51.33 # linux ALL THE WAY 06.52.21 # rockbox sucks 2 much battery and allu can do is play ur shit songs and look at your gay xobox piece of crap 06.52.26 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.52.33 # bye bye :D 06.52.40 Kick (#rockbox rockboxsucks :goodbye troll) by scorche!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche 06.53.29 # ipl suck up less battery?...heh 06.53.40 # wtf do you expect to do with a music player besides play your music :S 06.54.02 # and how do you play your xbox with your ipod :D 06.55.09 # meh...no use in disclaiming everything as false even if it is...he was just a troll =/ 06.55.31 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.55.51 # /sigh he should code it himself 06.56.05 # i very much doubt he would have the ability 06.57.44 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 06.57.44 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.58.44 Quit trypt0_ ("Leaving") 06.59.03 # Well, what I can't understand, is why you'd want Linux on the iPod anyway... 06.59.09 # Seems like a waste to me. 06.59.52 # There's plenty of other devices that get you more for your money, run better, and have better features, and use Linux natively, without having to change anything at all. 06.59.54 Quit trypt0 (Connection timed out) 07.00.20 # And, especially on a portable media player... Don't people buy those things to listen to music? 07.00.38 # What, do you plan on typing up an essay for school on your iPod? 07.00.41 # ... 07.00.48 # Sure seems like the way to go to me... 07.00.55 Quit topbloke (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.01.03 # Just saying, is all. 07.01.13 # it is just the kernel....not a whole OS like that.. 07.01.42 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 07.03.23 # So, how is that even useful? 07.03.27 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.05.03 # it require 07.05.06 # errr....mt 07.07.05 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.24.31 # aww llorean isn't here 07.25.06 Join Soader03 [0] (n=c4eec77b@modemcable033.242-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 07.26.06 # what did you need him for? 07.26.28 # so i did this test, used the fire plugin to create cpu load, and merged battery bench into the plugin (actually created a new plugin for it as to leave the originals alone), test was boosted and unboosted...battery drain from 90 to 60 is about the same amount of time at 30 mhz and 75 mhz 07.28.03 # llorean was curious about that 07.28.13 # i'll do full drains tomorrow 07.28.38 Part Soader03 07.29.37 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.30.20 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.30.23 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.34.48 # hey, can someone answer some questions about the iriver h3xx port of rockbox? 07.36.48 # i don't understand what exactly is not functioning in the current version of it. it says for example that "multi-codec audio playback with seeking support" is 50% done, but i don't really understand why or what exactly is missing. 07.38.14 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-146-239.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 07.39.37 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.40.08 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.40.13 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.42.42 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 07.49.44 # neutralrobotboy: it works fine.. dont orry about whatever said that 07.51.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.52.16 Join Honkboy [0] (n=chatzill@bas7-montreal02-1096672145.dsl.bell.ca) 07.54.11 Quit Honkboy (Client Quit) 07.56.43 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.59.00 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 07.59.04 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.19.47 Quit Ghoulunatic ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.23.26 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 08.25.36 # ey 08.25.40 # i gotta question 08.25.54 # does ipod video 30gb 5.5g with rockbox use less battery? 08.26.00 # or does it use more? 08.27.24 # uses quite a lot more 08.27.34 # battery life is significantly reduced 08.32.50 # I'm assuming that the iPod 5.5g lasts longer than the 5g, though, right? 08.33.09 # Or, I should say, am I right in assuming that? 08.34.01 # iPod 5.5G has no advantages relative to the ipod 5G 08.34.08 # Oh. 08.34.10 # other than a brighter screen 08.34.30 # I thought I read somewhere that the 5.5g had a bigger battery, or something to that effect. 08.34.47 # Guess I was either mistaken, or misunderstood what I read. 08.34.51 # the 60GB/80GB versions have better battery life due to their larger batteries, larger and therefore faster discs and more buffer memory 08.35.38 Join Alexinc [0] (n=Ajaxinc@71.237.170.237) 08.35.45 # The 60/80GB's harddisks aren't faster, and they consume more power when starting because they have 2 platters instead of one 08.35.51 # But Rockbox doesn't yet support the 60 GB, does it? (I know the 80 GB isn't supported, because Rockbox can't access the drive, for some reason) 08.36.37 # that's true, faster=bigger only works for discs with the same number of platters 08.40.20 # JdGordon: you there? 08.55.35 # hmm... ok. it says on the iriverh300 faq that video isn't really supported, and rockbox isn't tested with the korean firmware... 08.56.31 # anyone here with an iriver3x0 who's tried rockbox with the korean firmware? 08.56.34 # Mouser_X: Rockbox works on the 60 GB version. 08.56.53 # Mouser_X: The only recent iPod that Rockbox does not work on right now is the 80 GB iPod. 08.57.24 # Ah, thanks. 08.57.51 # Mouser_X: Also, the 5.5G have slightly better battery life because their screens are both brighter and more efficient. Otherwise, they're about on par with the original 5Gs... 08.59.33 # Hmmm. I've been thinking of getting a 30 GB, due to pricing. 08.59.54 # I've found one (new, I think...) for $170. 09.00.14 # Any idea what good price I might find a 60 GB for? 09.01.30 # ($170 is pushing it, for me... Though, I'd consider paying more than that, if the price is good enough [obviously, for a better model]...) 09.01.48 # Mouser_X: Not sure. I haven't really investigated the market myself. 09.01.55 Part neutralrobotboy 09.01.59 # No problem. 09.02.04 # Just wondered. 09.05.58 # yawn 09.06.46 # [2:27am] uses quite a lot more 09.06.46 # [2:27am] battery life is significantly reduced 09.07.03 # so when i use rockbox with 5.5g ipod 30gb the battery life is less? 09.07.14 # No. 09.07.26 # than stock firmware, yes 09.07.35 # Sorry, I misread what you were asking. 09.07.49 # wait wait so which one is more efficient, rockbox or stock firmware>? 09.07.54 # in terms of battery 09.08.05 # Yes, using Rockbox, as opposed to the firmware, the battery life will be cut in half. 09.08.10 # Or, thereabouts, I've heard. 09.08.17 # oh 09.08.17 # not that drastic 09.08.37 # Oh, well, I guess it depends on how you use it. 09.08.59 # That's what someone else told me, but I think they were doing a lot of disc reads with it. 09.09.09 # which one has better sound quality 09.09.12 # rockbox or stock? 09.09.29 # I'd think Rockbox, but I wouldn't know. 09.09.36 # same quality...just plenty more options to change how it sounds in rockbox 09.09.49 # oh ok 09.09.50 # thx 09.10.06 # Rockbox has a much wider range of supported formats, as well. 09.10.20 # woah, you tricked me Mouser_X 09.10.25 # I thought I was in usf 09.10.28 # OGG, MP3, FLAC, ADX, NSF, SPC (supposedly). 09.10.43 # (SPC, supposedly) 09.10.52 # there are much more than that 09.10.56 # see the site for the list 09.10.58 # Well, yah. 09.11.12 # Not like I'd know them all off the top of my head though. 09.11.21 # Nor would I want to type them all out... 09.11.33 # well, you started to.. 09.11.43 # Only the ones I'm most likely to use. 09.12.38 # you shouldn't have used a period. 09.13.02 # And you should have capitalized your "Y." 09.13.08 # In other words, huh? 09.13.42 # oh 09.13.49 # thx pplz 09.14.13 # Glad to help (if I did). 09.14.20 # not really ;) 09.14.26 # ... 09.14.30 # I tried. 09.14.37 # jees....i kid i kid.... 09.14.53 # I figured. 09.14.59 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 09.15.09 # Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have added "I tried." 09.21.34 Join DrkMage [0] (n=DrkMage@pool-72-94-79-21.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 09.21.39 # hey boxers. 09.30.29 Quit Ribs (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.31.02 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 09.38.58 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 09.42.00 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A978D3.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.43.01 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.51.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.55.18 Join neutralrobotboy [0] (n=nrb@177.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) 09.55.42 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 09.55.50 Quit Mouser_X3 (Nick collision from services.) 09.56.26 # i can't seem to figure out how to turn my iriver h320 off after flashing it with rockbox. 09.56.41 # anyone got ideas better than letting it idle? 09.58.27 # hm.. so I am reading the pp5024 data sheet and it says "integrated 128kb of sram" 09.58.45 # is that just l2 cache or what? 09.59.31 Part neutralrobotboy 09.59.43 # tychver: I don't think it's cache but just fast memory you can use. In rockbox called IRAM. 09.59.53 # tsuyoshi: that was for you.. 10.01.04 # I meant that it could cache more audio decreasing the need to spin the disc up 10.01.34 # compared to ~30MB SDRAM? 10.01.57 # there are far better uses for it 10.04.38 # better than needing to spin the disk up less than half as often? 10.05.33 Quit Rondom (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.05.48 # yes, using IRAM for often used parts of the codec makes the music decoding fast enough to real time 10.05.58 # without it you would have skipping all the time 10.07.00 # yes which is why by doubling the memory and keeping the same size/length decoding buffer you only need to spin the disc up less than half as much 10.07.17 # doubling? 10.07.43 # 30MB + 128KB isn't doubling 10.08.15 # the 60GB has 60MB of RAM 10.08.31 # the 30 has 30 10.08.53 # yes, it has 64, so probably uses about 62 for the buffer 10.08.58 # is there a list of stuff that needs development resources for rockbox? 10.09.22 # (other than the 80gb task) 10.09.46 # if you mean by loading 62MB of audio into the RAM ready to be decoded then yes it does 10.10.03 # the processor cache is used on in the decoding process 10.10.22 # tychver: I think I'm confused with the conversation I head with tsuyoshi ;) 10.10.33 # fair enough :P 10.11.01 # what was "I meant that it could cache more audio decreasing the need to spin the disc up" refering to? 10.11.23 # to be honest I've already forgotten 10.12.16 # so are you asking how to use the max amount of buffer on the ipod video 60GB? 10.12.17 # oh, right, the more RAM in the larger sizes of 5/5.5G iPods 10.12.19 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon_ (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.12.22 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.12.32 # Other than the Archos player, what does Rockbox run on the best? 10.12.54 # Most stabily, best battery life, that sort of thing. 10.12.56 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon_ (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.12.58 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.12.59 # Mouser_X: irive H120 maybe 10.13.20 # Hmmm. Those are becoming hard to come by, I think. 10.13.34 # Can you change/upgrade the HDD on those? 10.13.53 # (I don't know if they have a 30GB version) 10.14.12 # Mouser_X: (advertisement alert) the Gigabeat F and X also run pretty well :) 10.14.25 # Ah, I wasn't aware of that... 10.14.45 # I thought gigabeat support was still in the works (moreso than iPod, I mean). 10.15.39 # it is, but progressig quickly 10.16.10 # Hmmm. 10.16.16 # oh.. so how do you access this iram? is it just at a particular address? 10.16.38 # * Mouser_X will look into it more later... 10.16.42 # must be 10.16.43 # Mouser_X: Someone did a battery test and he got 13 hours on an old battery (the original firmware can run up to 16 hours with a new one) 10.16.49 # Sleep is what I should be doing now... 10.17.12 Join softi-42 [0] (n=softi@p549D6754.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.17.21 # K, that's good to hear. 10.17.26 Quit softi_42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.18.13 # I'll definatly keep an eye out for the iriver H120, and a Gigabeat (is there different kinds of Gigabeats, and if yes, what should I be looking for specifically?). 10.18.38 # Gigabeat S doesn't work, but it's the only one still in production 10.19.23 # X is the same as F, but slightly bigger screen (2.4" vs 2.2") and is a bit smaller 10.19.48 # compared to the iriver, it doesn't have recording and optical in/out 10.20.05 # Hmmm. So, avoid the "S," and look for the "X." 10.20.14 # but can playback video at full speed with audio in rockbox (not in the original firmware) 10.20.26 # Heh, that's good news. 10.20.38 # X is very hard to get. Only sold in Japan and Australia. 10.20.44 # Ah.... 10.20.49 # and New Zealand 10.20.49 # The F, then. 10.21.33 # * Mouser_X searches Froogle for H120s, and Gigabeats. 10.21.41 # Not having good luck on eBay... 10.22.22 # I should think the Gigabeat can playback video with audio at full speed, it has a 300MHz ARM9 10.22.29 # markun: Speaking about the gigabeat - are there some installation instructions? 10.23.15 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 10.23.48 # amiconn: the only tihng holding back the cue support patch by Nico_P is its crazy mem usage yeah? 10.23.49 # amiconn: yes. hotwire moved them here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort 10.26.21 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 10.27.11 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 10.28.35 # Genre9mp3: hey, did you see my reply on the forums? 10.29.05 # markun: Ok, so the upgrade procedure is similar to the X5 (just put the firmware file in a certain directory and restart) 10.29.37 # Does it get flashed, or is it loaded from disk every boot? 10.29.53 # markun: How can I tell the difference between the F, X, and S? 10.30.03 # (For the Gigabeat, of course.) 10.31.14 # JdGordon: Yes.. just read it 10.31.18 # Mouser_X: visually? 10.31.33 # JdGordon: So it was like this all the time... really odd 10.31.42 # Genre9mp3: yeah, i guess so 10.31.51 # If it says "brand new Gigabeat S30" it's the S series etc.. 10.32.25 # I've noticed that one, and figured that. 10.32.35 # Most of them don't say anything other than "gigabeat" and the amount of storage. 10.32.46 # Mouser_X: can you give me a link? 10.33.04 # http://www.pricegrabber.com/search.php?form_keyword=gigabeat&topcat_id=v 10.33.14 # Not the best one, but you get the idea. 10.34.08 # "MEGF20S" - 10.34.12 # = F20 10.34.28 # the the last 3 are all F series 10.34.35 # Ah, thanks. 10.34.54 # They're all a tad more than I'd like to pay, but at least I know what to look for. 10.35.12 # I found a 60GB for $200, so I'd say that's worth it. 10.35.20 # It's out of stock, is the problem... 10.35.39 # I was told the F40 now sells for < 100$ in some places 10.35.47 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 10.35.57 # That's even cheaper that the HDD would be alone 10.36.00 # Ooooh... 10.36.12 # Let me search for a link 10.36.28 # My prefered price is between $100 and $150. 10.36.42 # I'm willing to pay more, but $200 is pushing it... 10.37.02 Join lunacymaze [0] (n=lunacyma@76.238.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) 10.37.06 # Of course, being able to run rockbox is a must... 10.37.08 # :P 10.37.28 # indeed 10.37.59 # * Mouser_X should be in bed... 10.37.59 # :( 10.38.16 # I paid 275 for a new 5G with the apple wall charger 10.39.20 Join neutralrobotboy [0] (n=nrb@177.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) 10.39.23 # And I'm not willing to pay that much... 10.39.46 # the rockbox plugins listed in the manual seem to have not installed with rockbox. is there a way for me to get them separately? 10.40.21 # ugh 10.40.41 # * amiconn just found the (probably) most expensive mp3 player of the world 10.40.43 # ... 10.40.50 # http://www.alternate.de/html/productDetails.html?artno=KNAK4Z 10.40.53 # How much, and why so costly? 10.40.55 # amiconn: an mp3 made of gold? 10.40.56 # (german page) 10.41.06 # TrekStor i.Beat Organix Gold 10.41.11 # 17999 EUR 10.41.38 # amiconn: yes, I've seen that... but I think there's another one more expensive... one from Samsung, golden, too 10.42.15 # We should make Goldbox on these things :P 10.42.26 # oh, i see. they're in cvs but not the daily build for some reason. 10.42.28 Part neutralrobotboy 10.42.37 # Mouser_X: can't find where goffa bought his gigaeat so cheap. Maybe it was ebay after all. 10.44.33 # Heh. No problem. 10.44.38 # No gigabeats in german web shops, it seems 10.44.49 # Found a 40GB for less than $170. 10.44.55 # In stock, as well. 10.45.06 # amiconn: No, you are right, this Trekstor is way more expensive than the gold Samsung 10.45.25 # markun: So, in comparison to the iPod, how is Rockbox fairing on the Gigabeat? 10.45.28 # here's a page for the gold Samsung (costs about $1000) : http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/05/samsung-pimps-out-18k-gold-yp-z5/ 10.45.38 # amiconn: I don't think the Gigabeat was sold in europe except for the UK 10.45.45 # aha 10.46.40 # markun: Or, should I join the #gigabeat channel for more info? 10.46.45 # Mouser_X: I should fill in the comparison chart 10.47.06 # I saw that at one point, but I can't find it now... 10.47.08 # yes, you could come to #gigabeat, but it's a bit quiet at the moment 10.47.15 # Ah. 10.47.38 # Maybe later then, when I should actually be awake (as opposed to now, when I should be asleep). 10.48.11 # markun: Are there F or X models with more than 40GB? 10.48.35 # I should fill in the comparison chart --> Link? I could have sworn I saw that at one point. 10.48.37 # amiconn: yes, both have a 60GB version 10.49.20 # amiconn: I found a 60GB version, but it was out of stock. 10.49.28 Join bluebrother [0] (i=9VfmyVDy@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.49.28 # Decent price, too. 10.50.07 # (I'm pretty sure it was one of the F or X series, anyway.) 10.50.07 # hmm 10.50.28 # Mouser_X: WhyRockbox has a chart, but I don't think I was looking for that one 10.50.39 # * amiconn either needs to get wav / aiff (and hopefully flac) working on archos soon, or get an 80GB 1.8" hdd to put into his H140 10.51.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison 10.51.32 # Thanks. 10.51.43 # Though, it's not the one I saw... 10.51.45 # amiconn: the first way is costless, the second way is effortless.. 10.51.48 # Mouser_X: neither chart tells you much how the targets compare to eachother.. 10.51.57 # The one I saw had battery information as well. 10.52.20 # amiconn: do you know which wiki page we are looking for? 10.52.24 # (And was displayed differently) 10.52.31 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart 10.54.34 # That hasn't been updated in awhile, it looks like. No iPod 5gs on there. 10.55.01 Join pixelma [0] (i=54bd50c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eec7f0c135ef0c12) 10.55.33 # Mouser_X: I can clearly see an iPod Video column... 10.56.03 # Heh. Silly me.. Semantics got in the way... 10.56.11 # Sorry about that. 10.56.24 # (I think semantics is the word I wanted) 10.59.28 # markun: I'm assuming that this isn't supported by Rockbox? 10.59.30 # http://froogle.google.com/froogle_url?q=https://usm.channelonline.com/magnumpc/storesite/Products/Overview/%3Fid%3DM003349839&fr=ABJqdO33mDYmJajhlClEv0lODPGiWGGrWCxdGNWQNlWkgm3wbPMuNZcAAAAAAAAAAA&gl=us&hl=en 10.59.33 # ... 10.59.39 # Sorry about the messy link. 11.00.34 # Mouser_X: no, it isn't 11.00.51 # Yah, I figured as much. 11.01.08 # The thing said something about "newest addition to the gigabeat family" or something like that. 11.01.29 # Which I didn't see until after I posted the link. 11.04.48 # markun: If I wanted, could I simply buy a bigger drive later, and put it into a Gigabeat, and use the full thing? 11.05.05 # Or, will they only work with the same-size drive they came with? 11.12.59 # * Mouser_X goes to bed. 11.13.04 # I'll look into it more later. 11.13.39 # good night 11.13.48 # btw, I just filled out the dev chart 11.15.18 # Hmm? 11.16.25 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart 11.17.10 # Ah. 11.17.15 # Nice 11.17.52 # I will add the X series too 11.18.34 # So, can you add a larger drive, later, if you wanted, even if you bought a 30 or 40 GB model? 11.18.57 # Well, upgrade to a larger drive, not add... 11.19.33 Quit cynicalliberal ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]") 11.27.12 Quit jeffb (Connection reset by peer) 11.27.33 Join jeffb [0] (i=newt@c-71-229-131-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 11.30.01 Quit Nibbier (Remote closed the connection) 11.31.00 # Well, in theory, if you find a way to physically place and connect another drive, it's even possible to add a (secondary) harddrive to a rockboxable unit 11.31.30 # ATA supports 2 drives per channel (master and slave), so this would just require some small changes to the ata driver 11.32.33 # is that physically feasible though 11.38.35 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.39.34 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 11.42.33 Join Rob222241 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B15504.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.43.35 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host205-208-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.46.46 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.49.27 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 11.51.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.51.36 # markun: I'm puzzled about the CLIP() issue on gigabeat without volatile. 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Cutting average bitrate 25% and going VBR gave only a 1% speedup - which I find the most disapointing result, as it suggests the decoding:displaying ratio isn't nearly as decoding heavy as I assumed. 15.51.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.53.30 # Gon2: You were asking seven hours ago about battery life on the 5.5G vs the 5G. ( Mouser_X you might also find this interesting) The 5.5G, according to Apple, has significantly longer /movie/ playback time than the 5th generation. When you look at the claimed /audio/ playback time, though, you will find that the numbers are identical to those listed for the 5th gen. This leads to the theory that the power savings is comming from one of two places 1 b 15.53.30 # eing better useage of the Broadcomm chip (unlikely) 2 being less power hungry backlight. Since official apple testing procedure for audio playback time is done with backlight off, added backlight effeciency alone woud explain the longer video playback. ALL that being said - it would be really nice if some of the 5.5 owners contributed to the ipod runtime wiki page so that we could put the whole matter to bed once and for all. 15.54.35 # Soap: how so? let the pod run a movie all the time? 16.00.05 Join webguest49 [0] (i=54996155@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1b2eddf7b12f5588) 16.00.51 # can one set alarms with the clock plug in ? 16.01.00 # on targets which have rtc's 16.01.31 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 16.05.03 # phrozen77: "how so" what? 16.05.20 # -> "ALL that being said - it would be really nice if some of the 5.5 owners contributed to the ipod runtime wiki page so that we could put the whole matter to bed once and for all." 16.05.53 # just normal runtime tests (audio) to show that the 5.5 is the same as the 5 in that regard. 16.06.31 # mhm, will do so - next year ;) 16.06.44 # A pair of tests, one in apple firmware, one in RB, so that we can judge the %. 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In the plugins dir, I've created the subdir 'reversi' and placed few files there. How can I make them compile? 16.49.58 # Should I make some entries in sources/makefile/smth. else? 16.51.12 # I guess you should edit apps/plugins/SOURCES for the plugin itself 16.52.32 # In the sudoku subdir, there is a rather complicated Makefile. Should I also make one? 16.52.38 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54933E82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.53.34 # Genre9mp3: sudoku is not mentioned in plugins/SOURCES. Is there some recursive logic in the build script that visits every subdir? 16.54.06 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@237.62-50-186.enivest.net) 16.54.07 # I have no experience on this to tell you the truth, I don't know what needs to be done when it comes to subdirs 16.56.03 # webguest99: look at SUBDIRS 16.56.53 Join Mike_A [0] (n=nn@89.1.246.110.dynamic.barak-online.net) 17.00.52 # markun: aha! That's it! Now I have to create the Makefile. Any advices? 17.01.44 # linuxstb: ping 17.02.19 # hello, i'm planning to buy iriver h10 and i'm wondering what is not finished yet since i've read on the site that h10 support is not complete 17.03.28 Join web-taz [0] (n=taz@p50818060.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.04.43 # Mike_A: The main problems AFAIK is limited battery life and no FM Radio 17.05.07 # but I don't own an H10 myself 17.05.29 # i can live with no fm radio 17.05.35 # aloha 17.06.03 # Mike_A: I'm sure there are more, H10 port is pretty new atm 17.06.18 # basically i want a player with FLAC support, but all the new ones (cowons) which support it are a bit too expensive for me, so i wanna get a used h10 and put rockbox on it 17.07.01 # If you want to buy a used device why bother with H10 and not try to find an H300 or H100? 17.08.04 # costs more 17.08.08 # i'm really short on money 17.09.22 # Mike_A: A quick search on ebay gave me an h120 with $81 17.09.46 # happy new yea all 17.10.07 # JdGordon: Oh? It's 2007 there? 17.10.21 # JdGordon where are you? 17.10.28 # australia 17.10.33 Join heavenlyguy [0] (n=heavenly@208.131.186.18) 17.10.35 Quit webguest99 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.10.35 # 3am 1/1/07 here 17.10.57 # OMG! A man from the future! :) 17.10.58 # hey wots up 17.11.07 # how the new year look 17.11.08 # lol 17.11.15 # JdGordon: happy new year 17.11.41 # hey Nico_P, did you see my comments on the wiki? 17.11.55 # JdGordon: yes, I also had a quick look at the patch 17.12.00 # seems like a good idea 17.12.08 # :D 17.12.34 # but I think we'd actually need to store a second cuesheet in memory 17.12.59 # to allow playing two in a row 17.13.31 # Genre9mp3 - what's the difference between the models anyway? can't find info on anything except the h10 on their websie 17.13.36 # i know that two in a row get mixed up 17.13.41 # yeah, i think i agree.. what I tihnk needs to happen is we keep an array of pointers to cue_track structs, so we can have a max of say 99 tracks in say 5 cue sheets 17.14.06 # i think we only need two 17.14.18 # the current and the next 17.14.19 # Mike_A: the H10 and H120 are completely different machines, all the way down to the processor level and all the way up to the screen. 17.14.50 # yeah, well, 2 or more.. if they all come from the same array of structs there isnt really a problem with a number of cue shets that can be held at once 17.15.22 # Mike_A: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=DeviceChart 17.15.37 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 17.15.42 # yeah but i think there will never be more than two cuesheets loaded at a time... i'll check that though 17.16.34 # probably not 17.17.11 # so maybe we could simply have two cuesheet structs 17.18.37 # i dunno... im going on holiday on tuesday, so ill leave it up to you. I wanted to add that tho incase you didnt know how about buffer_alloc() 17.19.17 # JdGordon: thanks 17.19.57 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.20.52 # and on that note... hapy new year all. im going to bed 17.21.12 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 17.22.22 # at 3o'clock? lamer -.- 17.22.29 Part heavenlyguy 17.29.25 Join muesl [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 17.30.53 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.32.25 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 17.32.38 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 17.51.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.52.34 Join xx [0] (n=ghost@166.red-213-231-78.user.auna.net) 17.52.44 # anyone around? 17.53.38 # what's up xx? 17.53.48 # i had a few questions about the ipod nano 2G.. 17.53.52 # what encryption are they using for the firmware?, and what steps would I take to begin trying to learn more about helping get ipodlinux working on nano 2nd Gen 17.54.10 # (from a devel perspective) 17.58.19 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 18.02.24 Join Soaa [0] (n=soaa@dsl-155-9.aei.ca) 18.02.32 # hi everyone! 18.03.17 # i'm trying to add in pressure based scrolling speed for the gigabeat port, but i don't know which file controls scrolling speed 18.03.21 # anyone knows? 18.13.15 # IANAD, but have you looked at the ipod patch for accelerated scrolling? It might offer some clues. 18.13.32 # hmm, i'll have a look, where is it? 18.13.51 # one sec 18.14.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5377 is an old one 18.14.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 is the newer one 18.15.36 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.15.40 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 18.16.45 # thanks, but it switches to pages scrolling instead of scrolling faster 18.16.56 # but i'll have a look at the modifies files 18.16.58 # 5594 does? 18.17.07 # modified* 18.17.08 # oh wait 18.17.53 # hmm, sounds interesting 18.18.00 # i gotta go now though 18.18.03 # be back later 18.18.10 # thanks for the link :) 18.22.04 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 18.22.36 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 18.23.39 Quit Mike_A ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 18.24.57 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp120-64.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.29.49 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.32.21 Part xx 18.32.45 Quit muesl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.33.57 Join Ging [0] (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 18.33.57 Quit Gon2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.34.03 Nick Ging is now known as Gon2 (i=Gon@ip68-98-160-12.dc.dc.cox.net) 18.38.50 Join Everybody [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 18.44.49 Quit Gon2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.46.14 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.46.16 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54987041.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.56.43 Quit strabes () 18.56.59 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 18.58.34 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 18.59.20 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 18.59.22 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.00.18 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p54932519.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.00.32 # DerPapst_: Pong 19.00.50 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 19.02.03 Join Jsunu [0] (i=9a1481ba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fbe00d09aa83f7c7) 19.03.38 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 19.04.05 # linuxstb: the wiki encodes were made with which encoder? 19.05.25 # mpeg2enc 19.05.35 # mjpeg.sourceforge.net IIRC 19.06.15 # linuxstb: and the resulting movies play back faster than generated with mencoder and vlc right? 19.06.22 # thanks. No matter what I do, no matter how I duplicate the settings to the best of my ability, I can not produce the framerates acheived by those wiki encodes. 19.06.26 # In my experience, yes. 19.07.04 Quit Criamos (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.07.17 # even with ugly hacks to the mpeg stream, no go. 19.07.31 # * linuxstb hugs mpeg2endc 19.07.34 # or even mpeg2enc 19.08.12 Quit BHSPitLappy (Success) 19.08.16 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.08.26 # It's very slow compared to ffmpeg, but it's my mpeg2 encoder of choice. 19.08.47 # hey any here know 19.08.52 # about ipods hold switch 19.09.04 # linuxstb: do you recall the full command string you encoded with? 19.09.09 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-67-64-106-69.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 19.09.09 # this ipod works execpt the person who gave it to me 19.09.20 # Soap: I gave you it last night... 19.09.21 # has the missing white part and hold switch on top of the mini 19.09.27 # it in hold mode 19.09.38 # but for some reason 19.09.38 # my bad then 19.09.45 # it still works, but I can't take it off hold mode 19.09.47 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@adsl-67-64-106-69.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 19.09.47 # Unless you want my script that does the decoding as well. 19.09.51 # is thier some apple ipod rerfence to thier hardware 19.09.53 # webssite 19.10.14 # Soap: I'll pastebin my script, one moment. 19.10.27 # I can pull it out of the logs. 19.10.28 # linuxstb: a -write-firmware-bin option for ipodpatcher. tested it only once and it seems to work. http://www.felixbruns.de/paste/index.php?id=33 19.10.48 # any one have a good webpage on the ipod hardware 19.11.48 # Soap: http://pastebin.ca/298183 19.11.54 # the hold switch on top is missing sort of damged 19.11.57 # but it boots up 19.12.03 # and it shows up in expoler 19.12.09 # but it in hold mode 19.12.44 # The hold switch is hardware - i.e. Rockbox doesn't see button presses if it is on. So I guess you'll need to disassemble and fix. 19.12.46 Quit daurnimator (Connection timed out) 19.13.54 Quit DerPapst_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.15.21 Quit Jsunu ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.15.45 # linux the sliver switch is missing 19.15.57 # it the top white part ans sliver switch are missing 19.16.09 # so is thier like something inside the mini part 19.16.13 # I move to take off hold mode 19.17.05 Quit bluet (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.17.19 # I've no idea. 19.17.50 Join muesl [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.23.38 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 19.23.59 Quit web-taz ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 19.27.26 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.30.24 Join klingemp [0] (n=chatzill@pool-71-254-80-79.lyncva.east.verizon.net) 19.31.10 # unless I 19.31.19 Join xx [0] (n=ghost@166.red-213-231-78.user.auna.net) 19.31.48 # 'm missing something, which I likely am, that isn't the script you used, is it linuxstb? Doesn't that script output at a bitrate of only 100? 19.32.09 Join ctaylorr [0] (n=ctaylorr@CPE001839ae25b4-CM0011aea4a276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 19.32.13 # mpeg2enc -b 100 -a 3 -f 8 -D 10 -E -10 -K tmpgenc -4 1 -2 1 -o elephantsdream-$SIZE.m2v 19.34.43 Join ACK54W [0] (n=nnscript@spc2-stok5-0-0-cust755.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 19.41.32 # Soap: Yes and no... Yes according to the manpage, but if you check the filesize of the .m2v files, the answer is no. 19.41.43 # yea 19.41.54 # the filesize is clearly 354 19.42.29 # The kbps I put in the filename is what I calculate from dividing the size of the file in bits by the duration in seconds. 19.43.25 # I need to figure out what VBV buffer size mpeg2enc specified, for I can match mpeg2enc encoded file speed if I force a sub sized VBV buffer. 19.44.08 # heh...sounds like something I would dread maintaining. 19.44.28 # and last question - I know you have many more important things to do - why did you choose -f 8 over -f 3? 19.44.34 # (wrong window) 19.45.05 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.45.11 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9863a14adc0bc8dd) 19.45.26 # Soap: I can't remember if there was a specific reason. Probably just leftover from another encode script of mine - I normally use mpeg2enc to encode DVDs. 19.45.56 # It's possible that -f 8 may override the -b setting. I should look in the source. 19.46.09 # -b is maximum bitrate btw. 19.47.00 # Soap: Yes, I was thinking that the video buffer size could be the important factor. 19.47.31 # though -f 8 should set the buffer to ungodly DVD levels of like 500 19.47.51 # What is your buffer size? 19.48.02 # * linuxstb goes to find the mpeg2enc source 19.48.05 # My -46 is encoding right now. 19.49.05 Quit habana (Client Quit) 19.49.23 # I had most all at 224 before thinking that was the problem. I did one at 2 and it flew like the wind - but poor quality. If 46 is VCD standard we should be able to get away with 30 ish on 224x128 19.51.09 Quit strabes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.51.33 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 19.51.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.52.40 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 19.53.01 Quit strabes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.53.19 # Seems video_buffer_size is 280 for -f 8 19.53.19 # Sorry, 230. 19.53.21 Join strabes [0] (n=strabes@ip68-108-31-178.lv.lv.cox.net) 19.53.58 # bitrate is set to 7500000, but only if it hasn't been specified on the command-line. So it looks like it is aiming for 100kbps... 19.54.42 # -f 3 (and -f 9) also set the video buffer to 280. 19.55.56 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-196-193-116.netcologne.de) 19.57.50 # dang, there goes that theory 19.58.45 # But maybe you're right that the script I pasted isn't the exact version I used. It's possible I added in -b 100 as a test. 19.59.37 # I don't see anything on the -D and -E switches in the man page either. 19.59.59 # I also have a 4:3 version of the script, and that uses -q 6 instead of -b 100. 20.00.38 Part arkascha ("Konversation terminated!") 20.01.19 # the q settings also make it VBR, which would throw my current comparisons out the window, as I was only comparing average FPS over the first 70 seconds of the movie. 20.01.21 # According to my local manpage, -D is intra_dc_prec (8..11) and -E is unit_coeff_elim (-40..40). 20.02.25 # hmm, DC precision of 10. 8 is what my encoder defaults to on SVCD and 9 for DVD. 20.02.46 Quit muesl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.03.30 # The manpage says most commercial DVDs use 10. 20.04.40 # (but 9 is the mpeg2enc default setting). 20.06.37 # yea, I suspect the wiki ones are VBR, I need to find a program that can verify it. 20.09.13 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.09.51 # Yes, I'm certain they are. The more I think about it, the less I recognise that -b option... I'm sure it was just a more recent test. 20.10.06 # i.e. I just used -q 6 without -b. 20.10.37 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.12.26 Quit strabes () 20.14.15 # All I've been able to verify so far is that using B frames in standard format causes about 4% speed reduction, all other things being equal, auto VBV works fine on a smart encoder, but a buffer too large is harmful. 20.15.11 # forcing the VBV down to 46 did not give any speed advantage over "auto" but a 8% improvement over 224 20.17.00 Quit XavierGr () 20.17.50 # it also appears the the daily build of the mpegplayer pluggin doesn't recognize a MPEG2 file encoded internally at 24 FPS but in which the header says "play back at 12" 20.18.04 # for the frame limiter doesn't do anything on that file. 20.19.01 Join webguest74 [0] (i=598bcf2d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-59f698dee026e2f0) 20.19.32 Quit webguest74 (Client Quit) 20.19.38 Join webguest74 [0] (i=598bcf2d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1b76d47ddb60df24) 20.20.18 Quit webguest74 (Client Quit) 20.20.24 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 20.20.29 # open vs. closed GOP makes no speed difference. 20.25.28 # hey 20.26.03 # any here knows what keep the ipod hold button closed when it don't have top bazzel 20.26.39 # the top bezel is missing 20.30.46 # Soap: If I understand my own code correctly, there is a frame period for each frame in the mpeg sequence header. This is what mpegplayer uses, so should be able to handle files with varying framerates within the file. But it doesn't look at any kind of header. 20.31.06 # i.e. it keeps a running count of the total of the frame periods. 20.32.15 # W/o proper stream diagnostic software I'm ASSuming the 12fps info is in the header as my encoder calls the setting "12FPS (24FPS internally)" 20.32.44 # WOW 20.32.45 # 8GB Compact Flash Microdrive available for ALL iPod Mini models. You can upgrade your existing 4GB or 6GB drive to 8GB with this product. 20.32.57 # you can upgrade the mini to 8 gb 20.33.12 # B 20.33.42 # (pet peeve) 20.33.57 # VLC plays back said file at 12FPS. 20.34.27 Quit phrozen77 ("Some people say that I must be a horrible person, but that's not true. I have the heart of a young boy... in a jar... on my d) 20.34.43 # Soap: Are you encoding and testing .m2v or .mpg? 20.34.52 # m2v 20.37.52 # soap: what are you trying to do again? 20.38.28 # tsuyoshi: I'm trying to figure out how encoder settings influence mpeg playback. 20.38.31 # speed 20.39.09 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-252-192.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) 20.39.15 # though, the closer I look, it appears the 12FPS file has exactly the same number of frames as the 24 fps file, VLC is just dropping every other frame. 20.39.46 # this is with mpeg2? 20.40.02 # mpeg2 doesn't allow 12fps, technically 20.41.21 # officially it doesn't allow it. Technically you can do anything. 20.41.42 Quit PaulPosition (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.42.41 # I suppose you could 20.43.14 # and sub standard frame rates will likely be the only way to get full screen video running on the 5th gen screen w/o ungodly low bitrates. 20.43.18 # but on a portable player.. you are better off using another video format anyway 20.43.35 # Why? 20.43.53 # not much is easier to decode than MPEG2 simple profile. 20.43.54 # I mean, which format? 20.44.11 # We have little CPU and little RAM... 20.44.16 # what cpu? 20.44.23 # (and on the Coldfire targets, slow RAM). 20.44.50 # is that just a function of coldfire, or is it just the coldfire targets we support used crappy ram ? 20.45.24 # Either a 124MHz Coldfire, or a PortalPlayer (two 75MHz arm7tdmi cores), or now a 300MHz ARM9 (Gigabeat - a different beast altogether). 20.45.24 # a 100 mhz arm should be good enough to decode a 15 fps mpeg4 stream 20.45.35 # We want a 30fps stream... 20.45.42 # On a 75mhz arm... 20.45.42 # I thought portalplayer was 100mhz 20.46.57 # hmm 20.47.02 # Rockbox runs the PPs at a maximum of 75MHz. I think the PP5022 (in the 2nd gen ipod mini) can run faster, but that has a greyscale LCD, so isn't a target for mpegplayer. 20.47.09 # * GodEater points out we're doing it on undocumented CPUs as well 20.47.18 # regardless, mpeg4 gives you decreased file sizes at the expense of CPU. most DAPs have plenty of file storage ability, but lack in the CPU department. 20.47.27 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.48.31 # But I'm sure someone will port an mpeg4 decoder to Rockbox (e.g. a gigabeat user), and then we can compare. 20.49.02 # well.. as soon as we get audio working on the sansa, I intend to port it 20.49.28 # but if the cpu is only 75 mhz, that would be a problem 20.49.35 # You don't need audio to start porting a video codec... 20.49.48 # especially not for people that can lipread :) 20.49.50 # yeah but audio is more important than video to me 20.49.58 # so I want to get that working first 20.50.05 # Are you working on the audio driver? 20.50.10 # not yet 20.50.25 # I'm still learning arm assembly 20.50.38 # so I can understand the firmware disassembly 20.50.39 # ahh, the sub frame rate videos TMPEGenc creates are made with duplicate frames. 12fps = doubled frames. 6fps = quaded frames. 20.51.12 # hmm.. if there are two cpus 20.51.24 # then that's really more like 150 mhz, isn't it 20.51.37 # If you can use them efficiently, yes. 20.51.43 # video decoding isn't terribly difficult to parallelize 20.52.21 Join webguest51 [0] (i=536dd0aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-07ac1546b59db9c6) 20.52.44 # The problem on the PPs is cache coherency between the two cores - the caches are independent. 20.55.05 # how much control do we have over the cache? 20.56.06 # We don't know much about it at the moment, but I think dan_a and others are discovering things... 20.57.13 # But I think we can invalidate and flush it. 20.57.33 # wow I didn't know you could upgrade ipod mini to 8 gigs 21.00.04 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 21.00.57 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=alexande@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 21.01.36 Nick mickael___ is now known as mickael__ (n=mk@90.20.214.254) 21.05.18 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.05.30 # there is a patch (I think in the tracker) to allow you to run a mini off of a compact flash card. 21.06.06 # I think it's in the wiki 21.06.22 # The Doom author put one in his mini IIRC. 21.06.27 # s/Doom/rockdoom/ 21.07.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiniCF 21.08.11 Join webguest87 [0] (i=4579e55d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9076ff51d6abdc2e) 21.08.32 # can anyone help me with installation 21.08.53 # uh 21.09.05 # what 21.09.16 # oh there it goes. delayed posting 21.09.41 # What device do you have? 21.10.00 # ipod video 30g 21.10.07 # And what's the problem? 21.10.42 # when im on the step to make a backup of the ipod firmware, it gives me a 40mb .bin file when it should be an 80 mb one 21.10.48 # one sec, ill get you a jpeg of the dos 21.10.50 # You posted in the forums? 21.10.53 # yeah 21.11.02 # The data error reading from the ipod... 21.11.34 # yeah? is there anything i can do about it 21.11.54 # Sounds like a Windows or hardware issue. I'm not sure what to suggest apart from trying different USB ports, or a different PC. 21.13.03 # ok, ill switch around some cables and ports. i entered the right commands though, right? 21.13.07 # You could also try skipping that step, but it means that if something goes wrong, you'll need to restore via itunes (which will wipe your music), rather than the easier restore operation of just writing that backup back to your ipod. 21.13.30 # Yes, the command looks perfect. 21.13.37 # 23 test files and all I can get is a 4% improvement over MPEG2 defaults. I'm off for the Holiday, I'll write up a wiki report on my tests eventually. 21.13.52 # Are they all slower than mpeg2enc? 21.15.07 # all my CBRs are slower than your VBR in the time frame I was measuring. I strongly suspect they will be nearly the same over the full length of the movie, I'll test that while traveling. 21.15.44 # OK. Enjoy your trip. 21.16.19 # if you want to test you could make a 354 one and compare it to the Q6 on the wiki. 21.16.42 # but that's neither here nor there. 21.16.43 Quit webguest87 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.17.50 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 21.21.38 Join Soader03 [0] (n=c4eec77b@modemcable033.242-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 21.23.48 Part Soader03 21.25.23 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.25.56 Join muesl [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 21.33.54 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.37.28 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.37.41 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 21.38.10 Part BobJonkman 21.39.24 Quit PaulPosition (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.40.00 Join __Margot_ [0] (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.47.21 Quit muesl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.51.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.55.35 Quit _Margot_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.55.37 Nick __Margot_ is now known as _Margot_ (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.58.15 Join lost|X40 [0] (n=lostnihi@adsl-68-252-205-86.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) 22.00.03 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.00.17 Quit klingemp (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.00.27 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-196-193-116.netcologne.de) 22.00.36 Part arkascha ("Konversation terminated!") 22.02.23 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.05.41 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 22.06.27 Join BobJonkma1 [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 22.06.29 # hmm 22.06.33 # hmm hmm 22.07.21 # hmm hmm hmm 22.09.40 Join muesl [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.13.32 Quit barrywardell () 22.14.53 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 22.25.41 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.25.57 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 22.31.11 Quit muesl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.39.48 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.41.29 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.45.20 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.45.58 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 22.45.59 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.57.17 Quit CriamosAndy ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.02.31 Join atrus_ [0] (n=atrus@d199-126-240-68.abhsia.telus.net) 23.04.10 Quit secleinter (Remote closed the connection) 23.04.37 Join Ghoulunatic [0] (i=4a8bc2d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ac72affccd3fd263) 23.04.42 Quit atrus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.04.50 # I need some more help with the Gigabeat version of Rockbox 23.06.32 # Then join #gigabeat 23.06.51 # Try typing "/join #gigabeat" without the " marks. 23.11.50 # ok I just typed that in... 23.11.53 # nothing 23.12.06 # What client are you using? 23.12.21 # Are you accessing the IRC from the Rockbox webpage? 23.12.25 # yeah 23.12.32 # I can use mIRC though 23.12.34 # whats the server 23.12.42 # That'd be why. It's not a full featured IRC client. 23.12.46 # gotcha 23.12.53 # irc.rockbox.org? 23.12.53 # server= irc.freenode.net 23.12.55 # ah ok 23.13.02 # brb 23.13.04 # NP 23.13.32 # maybe... 23.14.06 # ok brtb 23.14.09 Quit Ghoulunatic ("CGI:IRC") 23.14.17 Join Ghoulunatic [0] (n=woot@74-139-194-213.dhcp.insightbb.com) 23.14.20 # there we go 23.14.56 # oh man, this brings me back a ways :P 23.15.13 # ... 23.15.19 # Haven't used it in awhile, I'm guessing? 23.15.20 # I haven't used IRC in ages 23.15.26 # yeah, like 2 years 23.15.28 # Heh. 23.15.37 # I haven't updated mIRC in about that long... 23.16.11 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 23.16.12 # yeah, I don't even know what version I am running 23.16.28 # 6.12 23.17.05 # 6.14 for me. 23.17.20 # * Mouser_X needs to check the batteries in his keyboard... 23.17.27 # It keeps not working... 23.17.38 # hmm..yeah 23.17.49 # thats the only thing I don't like about wireless stuff 23.22.04 # ok, I'm not getting much of a rise out of the Gigabeat channel 23.22.14 # I just need to know where to find the bootloader for it 23.31.20 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 23.32.12 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 23.32.18 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.35.45 # linuxstb? 23.36.35 Join webguest33 [0] (i=459220b9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-81f9f052aa9d440c) 23.36.45 Quit webguest33 (Client Quit) 23.37.25 Join webguest86 [0] (i=459220b9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-aaa70d6ea14d83a7) 23.38.39 Join HawkSlayer [0] (n=HawkSlay@pool-71-125-131-14.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) 23.39.49 Quit HawkSlayer (Client Quit) 23.40.41 Quit webguest86 (Client Quit) 23.41.53 Part BobJonkma1 23.43.48 Join Inf0r [0] (n=Infinity@24-178-214-167.dhcp.tyvl.il.charter.com) 23.43.51 # howdy 23.44.25 # sansa m240 and wanting to play flac. rockbx not supporting this player yet? 23.50.56 Join webguest48 [0] (i=484f2052@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-06be49ed9a603be5) 23.51.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.54.07 Quit midkay ("*poff*") 23.54.20 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 23.55.24 Quit webguest48 (Client Quit) 23.57.43 Quit karim (Remote closed the connection)