--- Log for 02.01.107 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 18 hours and 57 minutes ago 00.00.50 # k 00.00.55 # cyas all 00.00.55 Part daurnimator 00.04.36 Quit spiorf_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.08.50 # i think also the bootloader is bugged 00.09.40 # doktoreas: howso? 00.10.09 # also if i keep the hold swith "on" it continues rebooting 00.10.59 # it says loading original firmware and the reboot 00.12.08 # doktoreas: as linuxstb describes, there may well be bugs. You may want to see if similar behaviour is described in a bug on the tracker, and if not, open a new one. 00.12.17 # mine did that too when the battery was low 00.17.14 # topbloke, i'll try to keep on chargin 00.17.36 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.26.51 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 00.29.05 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 00.29.24 # what is the current best player with a bigger screen like ipod video? 00.29.49 # i might invest in another player sooner or later 00.30.07 # Juice^: that's pretty subjective. describe `best'. 00.30.12 # right... 00.30.23 Quit linuxstb (Remote closed the connection) 00.30.52 # well, compitable with rockbox, good storage capacity.. battery time, speed of decoding flac/videos etc 00.31.30 # Juice^, I like my iaudio x5, but I've only had it since christmas so it may be pretty early to say :-) 00.31.50 # Juice^: speed of decoding video :) You know, I don't think anyone can predict what the outlook on preformance is. 00.31.54 # you might want to look into the gigabeats, but be aware that they are still a pretty new port 00.32.00 # I've not tried video on it, screen's pretty small for that (but I think the same of my dad's iPod video, so there's an element of taste there) 00.32.10 # scorche: but working quite well already 00.32.11 # Juice^: The Gigabeat sounds nice. I don't have one, but I'll probably be getting one. 00.32.25 # markun: indeed...one of our best "releases" ;) 00.32.32 Join Ajaxinc [0] (n=Ajaxinc@71.237.170.237) 00.32.35 # okey. i've taken a small peek at the gigabeats and they look neat yes 00.33.00 # Juice^: be carefull not to buy a gigabeat S series, they are not supported 00.33.02 # only F and X 00.33.28 # ok 00.34.00 # thanks 00.34.33 # * scorche wonders if markun has set up his client to ping him on the word "gigabeat" 00.34.47 # Heh. 00.35.07 # hehe 00.35.08 # :) 00.37.44 # scorche: of course :) 00.37.48 # but the gigabeat S series will probably be supported one day i guess... depends on how long i can wait i guess 00.38.05 # Gigabeat, the Hemi of Rockbox players. 00.38.12 # Juice^: maybe, maybe not 00.38.34 # well im off to sleep. laters 00.41.16 Quit Alexinc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.42.42 Part Angry 00.45.32 Join mdke_ [0] (n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke) 00.45.54 # hi all, I recently updated my database and it now contains duplicate entries for everything. Is there an easy fix? Why did this happen? 00.47.06 # i won't speculate about how it happened but running "initialize now" would probably fix it. 00.48.19 # midkay: will try that 00.49.08 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 00.49.09 # can I run rockbox while the ipod is plugged into the computer? 00.50.03 # yeah, hold MENU while you insert the USB cable and it'll run/charge at the same time (but don't expect it to fully charge nearly as fast as it otherwise would). 00.51.26 Quit doktoreas ("Leaving") 00.52.41 Quit x1jmp_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.52.57 # midkay: thanks 00.53.06 # no prob. 00.53.15 Part mdke_ ("goodbye!") 00.53.33 Join x1jmp_ [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F2729.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.55.34 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.55.42 Join DerPapst_ [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD1C1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.56.07 Join khalsa [0] (n=khalsa@c-69-251-65-62.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 00.57.13 # hi, trying to help a friend install RB on ipod 4g. Following the "beta" instructions on the wiki, get to the last step (./ipodpatcher [device] -a bootloader-ipodXXXXX.ipod) and get the following error: 00.57.50 Quit Bjoern-Erik ("leaving") 00.57.52 # [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sda2 00.57.52 # [INFO] Sector size is 512 bytes 00.57.52 # [ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting 00.58.09 # any advice? 00.58.48 # [device] should be the number you got from the scanning step.. i.e. 2 or 3... what's the actual command you're using? 00.59.19 # khalsa: usually if something is wanting the partition lable, you want /dev/sda 00.59.26 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-146-239.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 00.59.26 # khalsa: see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7918.msg61840 01.00.08 # I saw that thread, [device] we've been usuing is sda2 (ubuntu linux) 01.00.37 # ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda2 -a bootloader-ipod4g.ipod 01.00.47 # did you do the --scan step? it should give you a single number, that's what you need to use. 01.01.52 # no, did not do the --scan step, the wiki page is a bit unclear if that's what he needs to do, since it specifies (windows users) and the next step is for OSX and unix users 01.02.01 # midkay: it doesn't give you a single number in linux. it gives you something like /dev/sdX 01.02.06 # oh, really.. i haven't used it under linux.. 01.02.13 # * midkay steps back :) 01.02.17 # ;) 01.02.21 # ... As i said a long time ago 01.02.27 # :) 01.02.38 # khalsa: do the --scan option 01.03.36 # and then use the output as [device] like bagawk said. 01.04.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.04.49 # so if your output is [INFO] Ipod found - Video (aka 5th Generation) - /dev/sda use 01.04.49 # ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda -a bootloader-ipod4g.ipod to apply the loader 01.05.02 # ah yeah 01.05.10 # that's exactly the issue 01.05.22 # [INFO] Ipod found - Photo/Color - /dev/sda 01.05.31 # wierd, I could've sworn it was sda2 01.05.34 # no you had a 2 at /dev/sda in your command 01.05.58 # ah 01.05.59 # but now 01.06.00 # [ERR] Model name in input file (ip4g) doesn't match ipod model (ipco) 01.06.08 # doh! 01.06.19 # wrong bootloader downloaded 01.06.42 # you've downloaded the loader for b&w ipods but you have a color ipod 01.07.15 # you have to get this one: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodcolor.ipod 01.07.37 # yes, thanks 01.07.40 Quit ender` (" I'm sincerely sorry to inform you that I won't be able to attend your new years party tonight, as I'm still hungover from ye) 01.07.51 # He told be ipod 4g so I assumed it was the non-color one :-P 01.07.54 # me* 01.08.09 # heh ;) 01.09.13 Join linuxstb [0] (n=chatzill@84.Red-217-125-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 01.09.25 # rockbox is fun on the 5.5G 80Gb iPod ;) i know that it isn't working yet... 01.09.55 # Bagder: Still awake? 01.10.49 # ah linuxstb. have you looked on the --write-firmware-bin patch i made for ipodpatcher (i don't care if it will be added to cvs or not. just want to know i i made it correctly ;) ) 01.11.21 # one of the i's is a if ^^ 01.11.56 # DerPapst_: I had a quick look, but haven't tried it. What do you use it for? 01.12.13 # installing just the kernel 01.12.34 # i don't want to use scramble 01.14.14 # i've installed the kernel and it seemed to work "normal" 01.15.05 # I probably will commit it. I'll review it (and fix if I spot anything wrong) then. 01.15.33 # heh.. cool! thanks! 01.15.44 # thanks for your helps guys! 01.15.49 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.15.52 # I love rockbox! 01.16.01 # :) 01.16.08 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.16.10 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.16.18 # i've had it on my h120 for the longest time. I can' image it without it 01.17.17 # * DerPapst_ will use rockbox one day too ;) 01.20.18 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 01.23.07 # DerPapst_: you don't use it?? 01.23.08 Join dantheman [0] (n=danielma@134.178.20.94) 01.23.28 # can't use it... i've a 5.5G 80GB iPod 01.23.51 # i love rockbox on my f10 01.23.52 # :] 01.24.13 # and the buttonmapping is kind of confusing on 3G iPods. and audio don't work very well on them too ;) 01.24.28 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 01.24.32 # buttonmapping can be changed... 01.25.01 # but only in source i guess. 01.25.02 # linuxstb just ur guess...how much optimized is rockbox so far? 01.25.07 # Isn't the 3G Buttonmapping essentially the same as the other iPods? 01.25.24 # Llorean: It is currently, but the option is there to change it. 01.25.35 # Llorean yes. thats the probelm 01.25.45 Quit x1jmp_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.25.51 Join x1jmp_ [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F4928.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.25.51 # linuxstb: I was going to ask, what about it is confusing. I know the layout is different, but the button labels are the same. 01.26.07 # muesli__: What do you mean? That's a very broad question. 01.26.36 # i mean are there many milestones left? 01.26.37 Quit khalsa (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 01.26.51 # for my point is nearly perfect 01.26.53 # Llorean: Shouldn't you ask DerPapst_? 01.26.55 # from 01.27.08 # muesli__: On which target? All targets have different issues. 01.27.14 # h3xx 01.27.23 # linuxstb: Yeah, I was going to, but forgot to include two names. 01.27.36 # DerPapst_: What about it specificallly is confusing. I know the layout is different, but the button labels are the same. 01.27.36 Quit mickael___ ("leaving") 01.27.57 # Llorean: the thing is the buttonmapping on a clickwheel is more intuitive (e.g up and down movement) 01.28.04 # muesli__: That's not really an optimization question though. For H300 the incompletes are the charging features, USB Host, and WMA. 01.28.08 # muesli__: I don't own a h3xx, so don't really know. Two obvious things are a new bootloader and USBOTG support. 01.28.19 # i always hit the wrong button ;) 01.28.36 # why a new bootloader`? 01.28.37 # Plus general Rockbox things like getting the playback code to a rock-solid state (including voice). 01.28.41 # DerPapst_: That was an incredibly vague statement. You still have a wheel, and I assume it moves the cursor up and down when you scroll with it. What are you saying? 01.28.56 # muesli__: Proper charging in the bootloader. 01.28.58 # And USB 01.29.16 # theres alrady a patch. why dont u use it? 01.29.44 # Do you use it? 01.29.46 # hi 01.29.47 Quit hcs () 01.30.23 # no. cos i never charge via usb. but i know its possible using the experimental build 01.30.26 # Llorean: i haven't played around with rockbox that much on my 3G. i bet if i use it more often i'll make more sense to me. but atm there is no motivation for me to use it. 01.30.37 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.30.47 # i'll = it'll 01.31.20 # Out of curiosity, why do you want it on your 5.5g? 01.31.23 # DerPapst_: Are you intentionally avoiding answering my question, or are you just being vague? 01.31.30 # linuxstb: you mean me? 01.31.33 # All you've said is that scrolling somehow doesn't make sense. 01.31.38 # DerPapst_: Yes. 01.31.42 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 01.32.02 # scrollwheel is exactly why i NEVER would buy an ipod 01.32.09 # sux a lot 01.32.09 # muesli__: The experimental build includes an experimental bootloader? 01.32.13 # no 01.32.18 # but u can charge via usb 01.32.34 # And you can't in the official Rockbox? 01.33.08 # Llorean: i mean not srcolling... i can't explain it very good (lack of engllish skills) 01.33.08 # linuxstb: i've a 80GB iPod so i can't use rockbox on it at all. i would love to use it :) 01.33.33 # muesli__: Proper charging in the bootloader. i concluded on that its not possible atm 01.33.48 # * DerPapst_ searches his 3G ipod... 01.34.05 # muesli__: Llorean said "in the bootloader". 01.34.46 # i guess u guys dont want to start irivers os while charging (what it does actually) 01.35.02 # Yes, that's one of the reasons for a new bootloader. 01.35.25 Join Febs_ [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 01.35.53 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.36.03 # another reason is? 01.36.31 # "No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it." The reason why i don't have rockbox on my 5.5G ;) (right now i have it on) 01.36.46 # Llorean mentioned something about USB... I don't know the reasons, I just know people have been waiting for a new bootloader. 01.37.27 # linuxstb: It's that the updates to the USB controller stuff so that it works better in Rockbox haven't been rolled up into a new bootloader version. Primarily it's for USB charging, I believe. 01.37.29 # im fine with the current. im rather keen on audible seeking ;) 01.38.03 # muesli__: But no-one seems keen to implement it... 01.38.16 # yeah..i know :( 01.40.06 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 01.41.20 # im also dreaming of an api for basic audio controls while executing .rocks 01.41.42 # just to change a track/volume etc while ie playing 01.42.18 # iv seen a few plugins with audio controls in them 01.42.24 # i forget what plugins though 01.42.26 # they where games 01.42.26 # muesli__: There's a playback menu in many plugins 01.43.01 # not in solitaire which is nice for getting tired 01.43.15 # brickmania 01.43.22 # dunno about the others 01.43.53 # but wouldnt it be easier to build a common api on which all apps could access? 01.44.26 # Yes, there is - the playback menu... 01.44.48 # muesli__: As linuxstb said, the playback menu is part of a common API that all plugins can access. 01.44.50 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.44.59 # It's just an issue of the people writing them choosing to do so. 01.45.02 # ah ok... 01.45.09 # didnt know that 01.46.03 Quit dantheman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.46.20 # linuxstb: You don't by chance know what aspects of kernel_cop is keeping it from CVS, do you? 01.46.53 # I think it's mainly that dan_a is away from home (afaik). 01.47.06 # ACTION figures out the button mapping on 3Gs... 01.47.13 # But there seem to be a few instabilities, at least on the PP5020s. 01.47.36 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.47.45 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.47.46 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.48.47 # linuxstb: Ah, right, you said your 4G didn't boot at all with scaling enabled? 01.49.14 # Any Coldfire users (H300 or X5) tried mpegplayer? 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 01.51.18 Quit dantheman (Remote closed the connection) 01.51.28 Quit topbloke ("bye") 01.55.01 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp120-64.adsl.forthnet.gr) 01.55.23 Join dantheman [0] (n=danielma@134.178.20.94) 01.55.29 # something seemst to be wrong with the most up to date cvs build for 3G iPods... it crashes at loading a 45KB image and it crashes at loading a mp3 file that the previous version of rockbox has played (i thing this build was 3 month old) 01.56.44 Quit Goldmen (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.57.43 # DerPapst_: You should speak to dan_a when he's around. He's our "3G development team"... 01.58.17 # thanks. i'll do so :) 02.00.30 Quit x1jmp_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.00.43 # is there any way to get older builds for 3G iPods? the Daily Builds page only has two different builds. 02.01.10 # DerPapst_: you could perform the build yourself. 02.01.38 # DerPapst_: (no offense...just stating that it's possible) 02.01.46 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.16 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 02.02.20 # so can i make a cvs checkout that gives me the source e.g. 2 month ago? 02.02.56 # DerPapst_: Yes. 02.02.58 # Yes, something like "cvs -z3 -d..... co -D 2006-11-01 rockbox-devel" 02.03.12 # (I'm not 100% sure where the -D goes...) 02.03.19 # linuxstb: looks right. 02.03.24 # heh cool. 02.04.02 # is the 3.4.3 toolchain ok? or should i better use the 4.0.1? 02.04.25 # 4.0.3 is recommended. (4.0.1 should be fine). 02.04.54 # The uclinux toolchain won't work either. 02.04.56 # then i'll have to set up a new toolchain... 02.06.55 # DerPapst_: The older 3G builds are here: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipod3g/ 02.07.11 # thank you 02.10.56 # I've got a pre-Christmas daily for the 5G, any gotchas with the latest dailies? 02.11.52 # Kingsqueak: you'll probably have to save your settings. 02.12.09 # I don't care about that much, I'll just poke around again 02.12.31 # Kingsqueak: not sure about anything ipod specific. 02.12.49 # Kingsqueak: (in that I don't own an ipod...) 02.12.52 # k, cool, just curious if anything was glaringly broken 02.15.05 Quit funky ("leaving") 02.15.19 # anyone own both an X5 and a video iPod? Just curious how they compare sound quality wise 02.15.20 # -+ 02.15.47 # ^ignore 02.17.22 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 02.23.23 # can the 4.0.3 toolchain coexist with the 3.4.3 one? i want to use the 3.4.3 one as the "main" arm-elf-gcc. 02.24.21 # Yes, just compile them with different --prefix options to the configure, and put the appropriate one in your PATH. 02.24.56 # Does loader2 not work with 4.0.x? 02.25.54 # never tried compiling loader 2 with 4.0.x but it works with 3.4.3 too. i'm not shure about compiling podzilla 2 and the 2.4.32 kernel 02.26.43 # I thought the kernel needed 2.95 02.27.06 # And podzilla an arm-uclinux-elf toolchain... 02.27.19 # the official one (2.4.24) but there is an experimental version. 02.27.44 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.27.50 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.28.31 # yes. podzilla uses an arm-uclinux-elf toolchain. 02.30.48 # so ./configure --target=arm-elf --prefix=/home/name/arm would do the trick? 02.31.16 # Yes. 02.31.28 # I'm really tempted to lock this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7954.0 02.32.58 # wow...I'm not the best typist, but making a video instead of just typing it out? 02.33.13 # ^^ thats funny 02.33.29 # * DerPapst_ downloads the vid right now. 02.35.00 # I can't even download the video. 02.35.13 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.35.39 # Ooh, a .mpg.... 02.35.47 # blurry... 02.36.31 # heh.. error -1 ^^ 02.36.58 Join webguest95 [0] (i=40e62d34@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0027ec971ca05737) 02.37.07 # hello? 02.37.26 # and he can't load appleos and i bet he don't know the disk mode keycombo ;) 02.37.57 Quit webguest95 (Client Quit) 02.38.16 # I gave him the section of the manual that explains disk mode. 02.38.34 # And he used the old bootloader, so not the official instructions... 02.38.39 Join webguest99 [0] (i=4630aa71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-31f4a7e1a649b741) 02.39.10 # linuxstb: but then the toolchain isn't in my PATH. If i do export PATH=/home/name/arm/bin:$PATH will it conflict with the 3.4.3 one? sorry for asking a lot questions... 02.39.42 # DerPapst_: You should only have one in your path at a time. 02.39.57 # Febs: i'm sure he hasn't read them. 02.40.05 # linuxstb: ok 02.40.14 Quit StrathAFK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.40.21 Join Hsystem [0] (i=40d5f26b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9cf18e85b91b66ce) 02.40.48 # Hehe. I think that half of the IRC channel is now viewing that thread. 02.41.04 Join Strath [0] (n=donat@dpc6747254230.direcpc.com) 02.41.15 # . 02.41.16 # hehe 02.41.51 # We're all bored... Time for bed for me. 02.42.24 # hey can somebody tell me how to put rockbox onto my ipod video please? 02.42.37 # ivr tryed but just cant seem to get it to work 02.42.40 # linuxstb: good night and thanks for helping me that often :) 02.42.57 # Did you follow the instructions that linuxstb took the time to write and I took the time to put into the manual? 02.43.11 # webguest99: 5G or 5.5G 80GB? 02.43.34 # there is also a 5.5 30gb ... 02.43.47 # i know but rb works on it 02.43.56 # but you didn't leave it as an option. :) 02.44.03 # meh... 02.44.15 # yea, so 5.5 vs 5 is really not the question any more. The question of the day is 30/60/80 GB. 02.44.27 # jepp 02.44.38 # webguest99: explain what you've done so far. 02.46.39 # Hey guys, what about the mAh of the ipod 5.5g 30gb which is 400 mAh, im trying to get the correct battery capacity on rockbox for my battery. Should i leave it with the default 1300 mAh? 02.47.45 Quit webguest99 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.48.00 # ? 02.48.16 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.48.23 # if the 4.0.3 toolchain isn't in my path can i use something like "make CC=/path/to/4.0.3_toolchain ? 02.49.16 # you need more than just CC 02.49.58 # ah... what elso do i have to use? 02.49.58 # DerPapst_: Can't you just alter the Makefile. It's generated anyway. 02.51.35 # yeah. i can do that to. so i have to use LD = /path/to/ld too i guess (either in the makefile or in the make command) 02.53.46 # Hey guys, what about the mAh of the ipod 5.5g 30gb which is 400 mAh, im trying to get the correct battery capacity on rockbox for my battery., but all the mAh on rockbox are higher than 1000. Should i leave the default 1300 mAh? 02.54.07 # i would say yes. i have no idea about it. 02.54.20 # DerPapst_: hmm...actually looking at a generated Makefile, it looks like tools are grabbed from the PATH. Consider just putting the toolchain you want to use early on in the PATH. 02.54.24 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 02.55.00 # Hsystem: you should leave it where it is, unless you know that your using a non-standard battery. 02.55.17 # Hsystem: It doesn't really matter, as right now Rockbox can't estimate remaining playback time for iPods yet anyway 02.55.25 # ctaylorr: It's only used to estimate "time remaining" 02.55.31 # Llorean: ah 02.56.07 # ctaylorr: i want to use two different ones. an arm-uclinux-elf toolchain (3.4.3) as the "main" one (which is in PATH currently) and the rockbox 4.0.3 one (which isn't in PATH). 02.56.43 # ok, thanks a lot for yoru answer. 02.56.47 # Llorean: i did a full burn on boost and noboost using fire plugin 02.57.07 # DerPapst_: so you want to use two instances of, say, a cross-compiler? Sounds strange. Do you know which tools from which you want to pick up? 02.57.21 # noboost only lasted 30 minutes longer, but that's in a scale of 2 hours and 45 minutes to 2 hours and 15 minutes 02.57.48 # DerPapst_: If you do, you could put both into the PATH, and prune the first of what you want to pick up from the second. Not sure what you're trying to do though. 02.57.52 # that's a burn from 90% to 10% 02.58.38 # i want to do an idle cpu test next 02.59.11 # ctaylorr: i use the 3.4.3 one for compiling parts of the iPodLinux project. and i need it more often than the 4.0.3 one 02.59.40 # Llorean, this morning i opened a new post in the forum (section: iPOD installation/uninstallation), about the same issue, can you close it? I tried to remove it, but i don't have the sufficient privileges. 02.59.43 Quit phrozen77 ("Some people say that I must be a horrible person, but that's not true. I have the heart of a young boy... in a jar... on my d) 02.59.45 # DerPapst_: you *could* just add 4.0.3 to the path when you do rockbox builds. 02.59.57 # DerPapst_: PATH=...:$PATH make 03.00.06 # then i want to do a hack on the codec thread to not unboost and see if there really is a battery savings to constantly change the cpu speed 03.00.14 # DerPapst_: (just don't forget one time) 03.00.36 # but i think that both toolchains will conflict. 03.01.40 # DerPapst_: well, the build will only use the first of each tool it finds. If it were to slip through and use the second toolchain in the path, then it wouldn't have worked anyway, if you follow. 03.01.45 # DerPapst_: It's at least worth a try. 03.02.24 # so you think that "PATH=/home/name/arm/bin:$PATH make" will do the trick? 03.02.40 # DerPapst_: Yep. 03.02.57 # no && in the command? 03.03.05 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-67-64-106-69.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.03.21 # DerPapst_: nope. the way you've typed it, it will only modify the environment for `make' <-- this is what you want. 03.03.39 # ok :) thanks. i'll try it. 03.04.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.04.49 # Llorean: you still around? 03.05.19 # ctaylorr: Only vaguely 03.06.06 # Nimdae: That's about a 20% difference, so there will be a saving boosted vs unboosted, but not very much. 03.06.19 # Hsystem: Can you link me to the thread? 03.06.25 # sure 03.06.35 # well, that's also a synthetic benchmark 03.06.39 # i mean 03.06.47 # yeah 03.07.09 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7952.0 03.07.28 # that's why i want to test the differences while idle, and also real performance 03.07.39 # Llorean: good enough. regarding Play Next. In the forums you also suggested ``Play Last''. I'm wondering if Play Next took the right approach. From a ui standpoint, there is only a single menu change, but behind the scenes, Play Next required similar changes in various places. I'm wondering if allowing a user to Clear + Queue Current, or Queue All would be a better approach. 03.07.52 Join Red [0] (i=cfe6c00e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f82aa83b810f9cff) 03.08.22 # Llorean: I noticed mention of code size in various discussions, and would rather not add more to the codebase than is necessary. 03.08.22 Quit Red (Client Quit) 03.08.51 # Nimdae: Yeah, but that synthetic test is basically a "best case scenario" isn't it? Suggesting that's about the most we can hope to gain in real-world from that. 03.08.52 Join Red [0] (i=cfe6c00e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-08b3cf2d085e69b6) 03.09.40 # well, it's just not real world...real world results could show a smaller gap, or possibly a much larger one 03.09.47 # ctaylorr: What do you mean by "clear + queue current" and "queue all"? I'm not sure what you expect to happen in regard to those 03.10.37 # Nimdae: I expect the gap to be smaller, all things considered, but that's just my guess. 03.10.43 # What programming languages do you guys use for Rockbox? 03.10.48 # C 03.10.58 # * DerPapst_ was to slow 03.10.59 # Hsystem: Thread removed. 03.11.06 # thanks. 03.11.24 # i'm just curious if there is a real benefit to unboosting during playback, particularly when we start getting the coprocessor working on the ipod 03.11.39 # also, my results are based on the ipod, it could be widely different on another device 03.11.58 # Llorean: Play Next currently clears the playlist, sets the current song to ``queued'', and inserts whatever was selected in the file browser (or database). I'm pretty sure it would require less code to, instead just have an option to clear the playlist and set the current song to queued. 03.12.26 # Llorean: The user could then turn around and insert something after the current song. 03.13.07 # ctaylorr: The only additional function that allows though, is "Stop after current song." 03.13.47 # Are you concerned about the code complexity, or the functionality? 03.14.40 # Llorean: I'm more concerned (not sure if it's justified) about code size. Doing both steps in one operation requires changes to the menu handler for (1) file browner (2) tagcache `trees' (3) playlists. 03.15.18 # Febs: I just deleted a post on that thread you were considering locking that contained a good deal of profanity. If he acts up at all, you have my express permission to ban him for any period you feel like. 03.15.42 # ctaylorr: In that case, you should probably be contacting the person who implemented the changes. 03.16.36 # Llorean: I submitted the patch. Wondering if doing `Play Last' in a way similar to `Play Next' would be acceptable. 03.16.49 Quit Criamos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.18.17 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 03.18.23 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.18.59 # Guys this morning i found an error in the ipod video uninstallation section that could be very confusing for some people. ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin, should be ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin 03.20.09 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54931C94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.21.20 Quit Red ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.21.37 # ctaylorr: I think you may have the right idea, dropping "Play Next" for a "Clear Playlist" which empties everything but the current song, and sets if for queued 03.21.54 # It's a much more logical way of doing it, from a user perspective too, because "Play Next" is still a confusing term 03.22.40 # Llorean: agreed. Neither `Replace' nor `Play Next' really describe what is happening. It would take more than one line on the screen to properly explain. 03.23.43 # Llorean: It is, nontheless, convenient, though (deciding that ``I want to replace everything in the playlist'' in the file browser). 03.25.17 # ctaylorr: I think "Clear playlist" works best, since people always ask "How do I clear the playlist?" anyway, not knowing that it's empty while playback is stopped. 03.25.50 # It allows both "Stop after current song ends" style functionality and "Play next" functionality relatively easily. 03.26.43 # Llorean: point. I'll work on this. 03.27.02 # :) 03.27.58 # Febs: just lock this topic... 03.27.59 # Llorean: Also, how is documentation updated. I asked a while ago, but is it up to whoever adds a menu item to update the manual, or is this done by one person (or a team) to ensure consistency? 03.29.17 # ctaylorr: A little of each. We *really* like it when someone submitting a new feature also includes a patch for the manual as well, but if not there are a few key people who handle a lot of the manual work and there's decent odds they'll get around to documenting it. 03.29.38 # What about the mpg player ? I read this morning a post that says that it will include audio in the next daily build ?? or something like that? is that true? 03.29.38 # Ideally the author of the feature offers what they think is appropriate and one of our manual guys will tweak it if they feel it needs to be changed. 03.29.45 # DerPapst_: Locked. 03.29.59 # Hsystem: Yes, but it's still not fully functional. Audio works, but it's very limited still 03.30.06 # Llorean: makes sense. Thanks for the info. 03.30.26 # Hsystem: it's in cvs already. Febs: :) 03.31.09 # cvs? 03.31.15 # ah ok sorry. 03.31.23 # hehe 03.31.29 # ctaylorr: With respect to the manual, it's useful if you could put a description of the new feature/function somewhere (wiki, forums, patch tracker). I personally prefer if people open a tracker item for manual updates under the category "manual." 03.31.30 # Febs: But.... it was a huge problem. :) 03.31.38 # Hehe. 03.31.51 # if he isn't able to read.... 03.32.38 # Febs: Agreed. I opened an earlier patch as a bug accidentally. I'm getting there. 03.32.50 # Llorean: you read full IRC logs? 03.33.10 # Soap, well, it's mentioned on the frontpage now 03.33.12 # Soap: Sometimes, but usually only when someone points me at them or I'm waiting to hear about something. 03.33.12 # daily build have more new features thant cvs builds? right ? or im wrong? 03.33.49 # Hsystem: CVS builds are newers. 03.34.01 # Hsystem: per build : probably. CVS builds are built after each change is committed. 03.34.06 # Hsystem: Daily Builds are just archived CVS builds. They're always equal or older. 03.35.00 # Llorean: I was just going to mention, as I think you were out of the room, that I believe that the reason the "wiki" encodes of ED were performing 10% better than anything else I could create with reasonable settings is because they were all VBR, and I was only comparing bitrates over a limited period of time. (My encodes all being CBR) 03.35.26 # so, then Daily builds are more stable? 03.35.32 # Hsystem: no 03.36.00 # Hsystem: They're just one of the day's cvs builds. 03.36.03 # Soap: Ah, makes sense. 03.36.10 # Hsystem: They're just an archive, really 03.36.13 # (I'll have final proof of that theory here in about 30 mins) --Sad news is I have been unable to find any encoding options to gain (or lose) more than 4%, 03.36.17 # Hsystem, maybe a little. Mostly it's just a matter of pruning down the number of builds that get archived 03.36.27 # Or so I would assume 03.36.59 # Hsystem if someone submits somthing buggy e.g 11:59pm and fixes it 0:01 am the daily build is buggy and the cvs build is not. 03.37.11 # puetzk: There's actually a decent chance of them being less stable, just because if a major bug hits before a daily build you're stuck with it for 24 hours. If a major bug hits CVS builds, it's usually fixed or reverted fairly quickly, so odds are low you'll get a CVS build with a big bug 03.38.15 # ahh damn... then i will install again a new cvs build lol 03.38.49 # good point 03.39.22 # time to sleep. good night @ all :) 03.39.42 Part DerPapst_ 03.39.46 # the last cvs i installed, seems to freeze sometimes, so that's why i change. 03.40.19 # Hsystem: if it ain't broke, then you may not want to fix it, unless there's a feature/fix you're looking for. 03.40.34 # Hsystem: 03.43.35 Join aarond [0] (n=Aaron@c-67-183-44-21.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 03.43.40 # woohooo 03.43.44 # how goes it peoples? 03.45.08 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 03.46.26 # Hwody HCS. 03.46.34 # hwody youself 03.46.44 # :P 03.46.59 # anyone using rockbox on a Nano? 03.47.12 # first Gen 2GB nano 03.48.01 # I used it for a while but then I updated my ipod firmware 03.48.05 # aarond: if you have a question, just ask 03.48.15 # thought I would give rockbox a break 03.49.06 # . 03.49.07 # I was going to give it longer but I was thinking of trying to install rockbox again but wanted to know if it would be worth it 03.49.24 # Im not sure I'll be able to do it anyway :) 03.49.26 # it is 2 commands... 03.49.51 # I dont have access to a windows machine but I might be able to do it in VPC 03.50.22 # aarond: The installation isn't windows-only... 03.50.34 # and you can easily dual-boot it with the original firmware anyway 03.50.46 # yeah, just did an iPod video for my dad in linux a few nights back 03.51.10 # aarond: There are installation instruction for Windows/Linux/Mac 03.51.12 # (FWIW, the killer feature that caused him to ask me to was frozen-bubble :-) 03.51.52 # oh cool, when I was using it before it was windows only install for the nano but I could update it in os x 03.52.10 # If only there were OS/2 instructions! 03.52.14 # it never was windows only... 03.52.36 # this may or may not reflect rockbox's actual strengths :-) 03.53.56 Quit Soaa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.08 # thats strange because I remember instructions saying it was 03.55.12 # aarond: There has never been a time that the official instructions were windows only. 03.55.52 # The instructions may have said something like "These instructions are only for installing from Windows" but they also went on to have links to the OSX and Linux install guides 03.57.39 Quit BobJonkman (Remote closed the connection) 03.58.18 # hmm 03.59.38 # maybe I'll give it a try just for flac support again 04.01.53 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.01.54 # battery life seemed to suck despite what some thought 04.04.04 # Some who? 04.04.18 # We've pretty much never denied that Rockbox currently gets about half the battery life of the retail firmware 04.05.58 # wow its that bad? 04.06.17 # when I used to hang out here, no one said that :) 04.06.35 # Well, it's somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 04.07.06 # Well, technically, if they never said anything one way or the other, it's not denying it. 04.07.24 # I mean, it's not like they lied about battery life. 04.07.25 # :P 04.07.33 Quit barrywardell () 04.07.57 # Mouser_X: Well, if he had asked any developer, they'd have spoken the truth. 04.08.14 # I read that rockbox took longer to charge thru USB than the original firmware, is that right or im wrong? 04.08.19 # Not to mention, we have the battery benchmark webpage rather publicly showing how battery life is in Rockbox. 04.08.24 # I guess having it around just for Flac should be alright 04.08.30 # Hsystem: If you charge inside Rockbox, yes. 04.08.36 # I never looked at that 04.09.22 # Llorean: I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I was just saying that silence is, to some extent, neutrality. Yes, I would hope that if asked, people would be upfront about it. 04.09.26 # I kept charging under regular firmware even when charging worked under rockbox 04.09.46 # Mouser_X: We are, which is why the battery bench page is there. 04.10.10 # that means that if i charge my ipod and disk mode is on, it will charge == like the original firmware. 04.10.19 # ? 04.10.22 # Mind giving me a link? I found it once, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find it again... 04.10.34 # Mouser_X: The thing is, battery life in Rockbox on other players is in some cases a good deal better than the original firmware, so it's possible he was talking with someone who didn't know iPods were different, or didn't realize he was asking about iPods. 04.10.38 # Hsystem: Yes. 04.10.48 # gud. 04.10.52 # Mouser_X: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime 04.11.35 # Thanks. And, good point. 04.13.39 # I assume that, the more complicated theme you use on rockbox, the more battery it will consume ? right? 04.15.24 # or is the same if you use a simple theme (let say, the default). ? 04.20.34 # am ? 04.20.34 # hmm, anyone know if there's still a way to sync convert from iTunes (or gnupod) DB to rockbox's DB? 04.20.48 # yep, got linux? 04.21.29 # yeah 04.21.44 # I remember reading about a script for this, but couldn't find it on google 04.22.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache 04.22.56 # that's outdated, unfortunately, as it has been renamed Database 04.23.14 # you just need to rename the files it produces, 04.23.33 Quit puetzk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.23.49 # alright 04.23.57 # or I might just edit the source, should be an easy fix then 04.24.04 # yeah 04.26.24 Join _0mk4r_ [0] (n=omkar@59.183.33.209) 04.29.32 # <_0mk4r_> hi can i use rockbox with my iAUDIO G3? 04.31.11 # no 04.36.04 Join debauched_sloth [0] (n=debauche@c-24-63-72-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 04.37.58 Join topbloke [0] (i=top_blok@adsl-76-215-8-239.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 04.38.22 # do I need to format my nano though? 04.38.36 # I thought I did 04.38.41 # lol 04.38.54 Quit _0mk4r_ ("Leaving") 04.39.12 # The ipod is fully charged with the rockbox when the battery symbol stop blinking? 04.39.45 # aarond: If it's a Mac iPod using HFS+ you need to format it to Fat32 as part of the install process. If it's already a Fat32 iPod, you've never had to format it as part of the install 04.42.24 Quit Hsystem ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.42.45 Join puetzk [0] (n=puetzk@12-208-253-240.client.mchsi.com) 04.43.03 Join Hsystem [0] (i=40d5f26b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-584c00b739f18c90) 04.43.21 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 04.43.28 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 04.45.17 # Icons meaning section in the rockbox ipod video manual ? There is a file format section ... 04.46.10 # damn my formating options suck 04.47.32 Join Gon2 [0] (n=gon@ip68-100-196-135.dc.dc.cox.net) 04.50.04 # ms dos file system or unix file system 04.53.38 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 04.56.08 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-37-227.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 04.57.11 # Anyone knows why the iRiver H10 could record all right (ie, not great because lack of settings), but scrollpad and battery-readings are jittery like hell.. Is it using two different ADCs? 05.00.44 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.00.58 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 05.01.00 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.02.46 # Ok, i got a question... how do i know when my ipod is fully charged, using rockbox firmware ... When it stop filling the bar? 05.04.00 # right? 05.04.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.05.14 # right. Or you can make it display 0-100 if you like numbers 05.05.51 # ok, how? i preffered numbers ... 05.06.18 # in display-->status/scrolling ? 05.06.19 # General Settings > Display > Status-/Scrollbar 05.06.33 # um ok, but that will also work when charging? 05.07.05 # since it turn off, and boot again into the do not disconnet logo screen. 05.07.07 # does on my iaudio (if it's running while charging) 05.07.23 # iPod might do it differently 05.07.26 # Hsystem: That screen is not a Rockbox screen, and we have no control over it. 05.08.00 # ok, thats the ipod firmware screen, it looks a little different, also the icons are different... 05.08.17 # that's why im asking... 05.08.32 # What exactly are you asking? 05.08.39 # You seem to know it's an iPod firmware screen. 05.08.57 # Ok, i got a question... how do i know when my ipod is fully charged, using rockbox firmware ... When it stop filling the bar? 05.09.04 # that is what im asking. 05.09.10 # You aren't using the Rockbox firmware though 05.09.18 # You already said, you're in the iPod firmware's disk mode. 05.09.39 Quit gromit` ("Coyote finally caught me") 05.09.43 # ok i know, but when i connect 05.10.08 # That wasn't a complete sentence, so I have no idea what you're trying to say with it. 05.10.10 # the usb cable for charging my ipod with the rockbox loaded 05.10.28 # Yes. 05.10.37 # When you're in Rockbox, and put in a USB cable, it goes to the apple disk mode. 05.10.40 # the screen that it displays , that says : Do not disconnect is different... 05.10.52 # yes, that's teh apple disk mode 05.10.53 # You already said "thats the ipod firmware screen" so you told me you noticed that it's the apple disk mode. 05.11.02 # you can hold menu, if you want, to stay in the rockbox firmware 05.11.10 # (while you cannot the usb cable) 05.11.22 # but then you can't transfer over USB if you want to, you can just charge the battery 05.11.51 # yeahh ok.... but you are not understanding. The icons that present both firmware are different when charging even if it change to the apple firmware when charging.... 05.12.28 # Yes, because it's the actual Disk Mode, and not just a connection screen. 05.12.45 # It's still an Apple screen, and not part of our software. 05.13.10 # but it's the same one you would have seen before if you plugged in your iPod when it was turned off 05.14.59 # well , when i connect my ipod (when using it firmware), the screen that present when working on disk mode is colored. On the contrary, when im using rockbox firmware, when i connct it to charge, the screen appear black and white. And the icon that state the charging state is different... 05.15.09 # Yes 05.15.15 # \I already explained that to you 05.15.25 # The first one is the "connection screen in the iPod firmware" and the second one is "Disk Mode" 05.15.43 # Disk Mode is still part of the iPod firmware though, it is NOT a part of Rockbox. 05.15.59 # ok... then my ipod is fully charged when that weird icon stop filling ... 05.16.12 # that is what i want to know... 05.16.25 # Probably. That seems very logical 05.17.12 # yeah but when using the ipod firmware connection screen ... the icon that means that my ipod is fully charged on disk mode, means on the ipod firmware connection screen that it still charging ... 05.17.13 # I know mine's always charged when it stops showing the charging animation. 05.17.34 Join THB [0] (n=fake@CPE-60-230-176-101.vic.bigpond.net.au) 05.17.43 # Hsystem: If you are unhappy with the icons Apple chose to use, complaint TO APPLE. It is NOT OUR SCREEN. 05.17.51 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 05.17.52 # oh ok thanks . 05.18.11 # jeje , im not unhappy ... 05.19.37 # i was explaining the situation, not saying that im unhappy lol... if you notice my english is not that perfect ... 05.20.45 # I formated as dos file system, hope it works 05.21.32 # Hsystem: Well, then why do you keep repeatedly telling us the same thing. Yes the icons are different. But why does it matter? It's not our screen. We cannot change it. It's their screen. If you don't understand what it's showing, ask them. This is #Rockbox and is not for help with non-Rockbox things. 05.22.04 # aarond: Do you even pay attention to what people say to you? I explained you only need to format if it's HFS+, in which case you need to convert it to Fat32. 05.22.11 # aarond: Which, actually, is not as simple as just formatting it. 05.22.23 # it was in HFS+ 05.22.41 # I said it needed to be formatted specifically "as part of the install process" 05.22.44 Join bobby [0] (i=cbad09ba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5ac156fe4a0fb8ff) 05.22.50 # Have you read the install process to see how to properly do the format? 05.22.55 # I know but like I said earlier, my options were only DOS or Unix file system 05.23.10 # Have you read the install process to see how to properly do the format? 05.23.32 # the one Im reading just starts with installing 05.23.39 # Which one are you reading? 05.24.06 # how do i install ipod linux with rockbox on 5.5g??/ im confused please help 05.24.12 # oh wait there it is :) 05.24.24 # bobby, ipodlinux is not the same as rockbox. Which are you trying to use? 05.24.38 # bobby: This is #Rockbox, and not the right place to ask for help with iPod Linux 05.24.42 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 05.27.13 # i know llorean but there no ther place to ask 05.27.34 # puetzk, im trying to use ipod linux 05.27.38 # bobby: There are other places to ask. And even if there aren't other places to ask, that doesn't mean that you should ask here. 05.27.55 # bobby, there's a #ipodlinux on freenode too... 05.28.06 # but people on here know how to do it 05.28.12 # really 05.28.26 # o you have the link to the ipod linux freenode? 05.28.50 # bobby: Whether people here know or don't know, it's #Rockbox, and it's for Rockbox discussion. 05.29.02 # People here also know how to fix automobiles, but users shouldn't come in asking about that either. 05.29.08 # it's the channel #ipodlinux, on the same server you're currently on 05.29.20 # how do i change channels 05.29.23 # puetzk: He's using the webclient, he can't just get to other channels 05.29.26 # ah 05.29.34 # bobby: You have to use a real IRC client, not the one from our webpage. It's only for #Rockbox 05.29.53 # Bobby take a look here: http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=3126&oldid=3125 05.29.53 # ohhk so how would i use the real IRC? 05.30.31 # Lots of client programs, I like xchat but pretty much any choice works 05.30.39 # there you will found the irc address. 05.30.45 # find* 05.30.59 # ohk and how would i change the channel do i input an adress? 05.31.25 # bobby: Depends on which program you use. I suggest checking the documentation for whichever IRC client you choose to download. 05.31.53 # im using xchat 05.32.12 # it explain there how.bobby enter here ... http://www.ipodlinux.org/chat/irc.cgi 05.32.29 # rong link 05.32.42 # the webpage cannot be found 05.33.18 # bobby: Just google XChat. Again, this is for Rockbox problems, not teaching you how to use IRC. 05.33.31 # have xchat 05.33.53 # And what? 05.33.57 # Then read XChat's help. 05.34.03 # i have it already 05.34.18 # but dont i need a link for ipls channel ? 05.34.27 # The channel is #ipodlinux 05.34.31 # bobby, pick freenode from the network list when it launches (and put in a nickname), then goto server:join channel and type #ipodlinux 05.34.31 # http://www.ipodlinux.org/Support 05.34.53 # bobby: ipodlinux.org tells you the proper locations to ask for support. You'll notice #Rockbox is NOT one of them. 05.35.49 # i dont have freenode on my list 05.36.17 # got it 05.36.24 # hey guys 05.36.30 # Llorean: -->There is no option to turn off database completely. If you do not want to use it just don’t do the initial build of the database and do not load it to RAM. ... And even if i reset all settings it will still running in the bacckground? 05.36.42 # anyway to have rockbox do the standard ipdo click wheel noise? 05.37.21 # Hsystem: If you delete the database files, and do not initialize it, it will not be running. 05.37.25 # THB: there is a pezio patch on the tracker 05.37.43 # ok gud. 05.38.42 # hey llorean i have a prob with rockbox 05.41.58 # hello???? somethings wrongwith my rockbox 05.42.27 # Ask the question, then. 05.42.28 # what's wrong with your rockbox bobby...? 05.44.14 Quit bobby ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.45.27 # Using heavy themes, cause rockbox to use more battery power ... ? 05.45.48 # right? 05.45.51 # They can, yes. 05.46.35 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 05.46.40 Quit dantheman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.48.59 # is there a way to make the tag database refresh modified files without fully reinitializing it? 05.49.10 # update seems to only get new/deleted, not changed 05.49.33 # dircache is on, if that matters 05.49.48 # There's somewhat of an expectation that you won't really be editing music files. 05.50.01 # yeah, I'm fixing tags 05.50.11 # Just fix them all, then reinitialize once and be done with it. 05.50.18 # OK 05.50.40 # I mean, I suppose updating would be handy, but it's also extra code for a mostly unnecessary feature. 05.51.53 # it's not really harder than finding deleted ones; just has to see if the file still exists and compare mtime 05.52.02 # but I guess it would mean you'd have to store the mtime for the record 05.52.07 # in any case, pretty specialized 05.52.25 # this is just the 3rd time I've found a few more b0rked tracks, and initialzing takes long enough it's becoming annoying 05.53.05 # I didn't say it would be hard. I said it'd be extra code that's unnecessary. 05.53.13 # They all have the same problem too, an empty id3v2 tag and a valid id3v1 one. I must have used a buggy version of lame at some point 05.53.16 # Database is already too big for Rombox builds, it needs to shrink, not grow. 05.53.37 # c'est la vie 05.56.15 # everything new is ogg, which thankfully has less variation in tagging standards 05.58.03 Part debauched_sloth 05.58.05 Quit THB (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.00.17 # argh. one left 06.08.33 Quit PaulPosition () 06.15.33 # hcs: itdb2tc appears not to work; rockbox says "Database is not ready" when I try to browse 06.17.42 # Hey- was there a recent change (past ~5 days) in i18n support? I was having trouble with 'foreign' named files not working (at least when they showed up in the playlist), but in a recent nightly it seems to be working. 06.18.03 # (Not that I'm complaining about something being fixed, I'm just curious) 06.19.25 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.23.18 Join JasonYu [0] (i=9a1481ba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ef086e329d640b1b) 06.23.26 Part Hsystem 06.25.30 Part puetzk ("Leaving") 06.25.35 Quit JasonYu (Client Quit) 06.25.36 Join puetzk [0] (n=puetzk@12-208-253-240.client.mchsi.com) 06.30.06 Part Llorean 06.33.44 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.33.44 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.34.13 Quit ASiDiE (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 06.35.57 # ipodConversionToFAT32 manual instructions arent making much sense 06.44.56 Quit topbloke ("bye") 06.47.50 # aarond: do you not have a windows machine around, it would make that _much_ easier 07.04.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.10.05 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terinjok@c-24-129-200-172.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 07.13.39 Nick myzar is now known as myzar|away (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) 07.20.28 # how long does video work for you guys 07.20.37 # only works like 3 minutes for me out of a 12 minute video 07.20.41 # depends on how much ram you have. 07.20.41 # first sound shuts off 07.20.48 # it doesn't do any buffer refilling yet 07.20.50 # then a few seconds later it dies 07.20.56 # gigabeat 07.20.57 # f10 07.21.01 # so when it runs out of data, it stops 07.21.55 # isnt rebuffering things an esy script? 07.23.19 # it didn't play .mpg at all until today. I would assume it's just not finished. 07.23.51 # my gigabeat is pkaying .mpg's 07.23.57 # sorry for the spelling 07.23.58 # right. As of today 07.24.02 # a littel drunk 07.24.48 # yeah I think I might just try to do it on my friends computer bagawk 07.26.40 # glad to see that rockbox has video playback :D 07.28.44 # on video models right? 07.29.10 # * puetzk is indefferent, but that's just because the x5 doesn't really have enough screen for it anyway 07.29.32 # or I'm too picky 07.32.52 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 07.32.56 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196) 07.33.36 # I think the nano plays videos.... 07.33.44 # aarond, the previous video plugin (which could only do m2v, and no audio) worked on the iPod color/photo/nano 07.33.58 # not as much screen resolution as the video of course 07.34.02 # wow 07.34.15 # and less CPU, so the framerate wasn't as good 07.34.26 # (I have neither, so this is not firsthand) 07.34.51 # but I think it was supposedly at least useable 07.35.09 # and the mpg one isn't likely to be drastically worse, audio isn't too huge an addition to the CPU load 07.35.42 # puetzk: I get 30fps playing MPEG-2 on my Nano. 07.35.50 # There's no much point in having video above that. 07.35.53 # Llorean, I defer to someone who has one then :-) 07.36.16 # I suppose the lower resolution probably helps at least as much as any other factor hurts 07.36.21 # puetzk: The iPods have two cores, so adding audio was actually NO additional load, because it's not being handled on the same core for iPods. :) 07.37.48 # Llorean, was that patch added to CVS? 07.38.10 # Terinjokes: No, the CVS version doesn't use both cores yet, because CVS rockbox doesn't have dual core support yet. 07.38.14 # Llorean, it's already doing that? I knew it was sort-of the plan but didn't think it was done that way in this first cut 07.38.14 # * preglow is back 07.38.41 # puetzk: The plugin actually is ready to support it, but the dual-core support in the main Rockbox isn't in yet, so the plugin can't do it, and runs on the same core instead. 07.38.47 # You get 9-14 fps on Nano the way it is now. 07.38.53 # Or I get that, at least 07.39.07 # Llorean... you know I've very mad at my computer.... 07.41.08 Part tvelocity ("ΑποχώÏησε") 07.45.40 # what does ΑποχώÏησε mean 07.47.11 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba7455c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c3387bb5ffe8a17b) 07.47.59 # Babelfish suggests "It withdrew", so I'm going to guess ejected? 07.48.05 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.50.14 Join Soader03 [0] (n=c4eec77b@modemcable033.242-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 07.50.40 Part Soader03 07.56.40 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.57.12 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba7455c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4af2639b430598af) 08.04.13 Join combrains [0] (n=combrain@222-155-107-64.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 08.05.15 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A96762.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.09.43 Part Terinjokes 08.40.03 Join Hsystem [0] (i=40d5f26b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cda329fa4fb7d5ad) 08.40.16 # tehsmo: still around? sure the files are named right? I suppose it is possible that the db format has changed... 08.40.59 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.40.59 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 08.42.02 Quit Hsystem (Client Quit) 08.42.47 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 08.52.21 # any hope for nes emulator for gigabeat 08.52.40 # we've got an nsf player... 08.52.44 # nsf? 08.52.49 # nes music 08.52.52 # lol 08.52.59 # not quite the same thing 08.53.10 # close 08.53.12 # but not quite 08.53.15 # as it is all I want from my video games, close enough 08.53.15 # Ajaxinc: There's hope if one of the people interested in it actually does it. 08.53.27 # hmm 08.53.29 # what would it take 08.53.36 # some C doce 08.53.37 # code 08.53.53 # some porting of a nes emulator 08.54.06 # is it possible for snes? 08.54.29 # on the gigabeat I cannot imagine what is possible 08.54.45 # its more advanced than the rest? 08.54.56 # It's got a faster core. 08.57.10 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@87.14.210.33) 08.58.59 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B16E4F.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.00.35 # hmm bugger 09.00.48 # kernel_on_cop_6 patch 09.00.59 # What about it? 09.01.02 # when i try to play an mpg it just freezes my ipod 09.01.06 # starts buffering 09.01.12 # screen then goes black 09.02.46 # And you're playing .mpg files that worked with an unpatched build? 09.03.02 # yes 09.03.09 # played the same mpg yesterday 09.03.12 # on 20070101 source 09.04.15 # Is your bootloader the new or the old one? 09.04.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.04.59 # hmm 09.05.08 # i think its the old one 09.05.17 # its from the 26th or so 09.05.33 # Black background and white text, or the other way around? 09.05.46 # black background 09.05.53 # i think 09.05.54 # New, then 09.06.03 # hmm 09.06.15 # If it's definitely black 09.06.32 # If you play audio, does it show the threads being on core (1) in the debug menu? 09.06.32 # yeah its black 09.06.39 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a30019d6ff3eb49e) 09.06.57 # lemme see 09.07.47 # its updating the ID3 database atm 09.10.24 # brb 09.13.22 # gah wheres the debug menu gone 09.14.01 # view audio thread? 09.14.49 # OS Stacks if I recall 09.14.53 # os stacks 09.15.04 # yea 09.15.11 # says (1) audio 09.15.14 # bugger 09.15.17 # now its turn off agn 09.15.20 # black screen 09.15.44 # Wait, you mean, no backlight? 09.15.53 # lemme just check agn 09.15.58 # well in the debug menu 09.16.02 # after i pressed os stack 09.16.12 # it hard rebooted itself 09.16.53 # audio is on 0 09.16.58 # main and codec are on 1 09.17.16 # well theres two main 09.17.20 # If it hard rebooted yourself, something else is going wrong. 09.17.52 # dunno 09.17.57 # its not rebooting now 09.18.08 # but im positive it did it by itself in the os stacks screen 09.19.10 # that was after i was viewing the audio thread 09.19.39 # Which type of iPod, by the way? 09.19.42 # might have just been my clumsy fingers 09.19.47 # 5.5g video 30gb 09.21.06 # mm no it musta been me accidentally hitting the centre button and menu 09.25.07 # perhaps it has something to do with the brightness patch 09.25.21 # the backlight might have turned off after buffering? 09.25.42 # The backlight stays on in the plugin. 09.25.57 # Are you sure the battery didn't die while buffering? 09.26.19 # hmm i'll plug it into my comp and try again 09.26.30 # Give it time to build up some charge. 09.28.01 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 09.28.22 # its unusual though battery is nearly full 09.29.23 # I dunno then 09.29.39 # But the backlight going out is a strange thing, plus yours rebooting randomly in the OS Stacks screen. 09.29.53 # It's pretty unlikely that you'd have held down Menu+Select for long enough to hard reboot 09.32.21 # true 09.32.32 # but a few seconds earlier i was in the audio thread screen 09.32.45 # forgot that to go back was to press << 09.32.55 # i would have held the menu+select for a few seconds 09.33.33 # Why would you hold them both? 09.33.38 # Plus, restarting happens immediately 09.33.43 # yeah i know 09.34.22 # but i went into os stacks and after a few seconds it rebooted =/ 09.34.54 # i didn't know how to get out of the audio thread screen so i was going to reboot it 09.34.56 # If you weren't pressing menu+select at the time, the reboot was definitely caused by something else. 09.35.05 # yeah i wasn't 09.35.17 # but i tried playing the same song 09.35.22 # going into audio thread 09.35.24 # then into os stacks 09.35.28 # and it was fine 09.35.36 # There's no guarantee that something like that can be reproduced that easily 09.36.52 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.39.32 # ok tried playing an mpg agn 09.39.42 # it buffers with the backlight for a second or two 09.39.50 # but gets stuck with buffering 09.39.56 # backlight has gone off 09.40.07 # looks frozen 09.40.57 Quit hcs () 09.41.28 Part Llorean 09.47.32 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.48.52 Join GEWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cc3ce223f76ec22f) 09.49.54 Quit GodEater (Nick collision from services.) 09.50.11 Nick GEWeb is now known as GodEater (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cc3ce223f76ec22f) 09.50.28 Join God_Eater [0] (i=bryan@host-83-146-15-75.bulldogdsl.com) 09.51.24 Join decayedcell [0] (i=3ba7455c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fcb192ddbd4cf8fe) 09.51.26 # Happy new year and I hope everyone's holidays went well 09.53.10 Quit combrains (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.53.23 Join webguest58 [0] (i=29cc2e8e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ab8b8a7ec92c585d) 09.57.09 # preglow: can a limiter be implemented to be fast and lightweight and work well? The purpose: pcm buffer mixdown without just cutting channel volume like with voice currently 10.00.53 Quit webguest58 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.06.34 Part nudelyn 10.08.20 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 10.08.26 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 10.10.22 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 10.11.59 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 10.12.11 # I fixed rockbox by installing the dualboot loader :D 10.12.38 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 10.12.44 # so 10.12.49 # we should work at VIDEO! 10.13.35 Join bluebrother [0] (i=adMwxksR@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 10.14.11 # video...hmmm...I think provisions need to be made to use video like normal codecs in the playback system...after a plugin provides good sound a framerates of course then just transfer it over. 10.14.32 # well 10.14.36 # i mean 10.14.46 # i can play video on my gigabeat and everythign with very good framrate 10.14.51 # and synced audio 10.14.57 # but i jsut hate how it dosnt rebuffer 10.16.46 # when it was just video, on x5 it did rebuffer but I don't have the player back from service yet so I'm a bit behind. that and the holidays. 10.17.32 # hmmk 10.18.43 Join softi-42 [0] (n=softi@p549D75C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.21.20 Quit softi_42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.21.23 # when was sound added to it? mpegplayer I assume. 10.22.47 # Ahh...I see, yesterday on the front page :) 10.24.31 Quit cynicalliberal (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.26.06 # :] 10.28.57 # I also see pcm_* functions are about to multiply but I want to remove the reset parameter to pcm_apply_settings before that happens. It should be automatic. 10.29.13 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 10.29.35 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.37.09 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 10.40.24 Join yossa [0] (n=chatzill@chello081018216139.chello.pl) 10.43.21 Join jamie [0] (i=db5ad5f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-478eae03e47157d4) 10.43.29 # i have a proble wid rockbox 10.43.32 # linuxstb: I found another one in MR reporting the same thing (white noise) http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50527 10.44.04 # i have a problem wid rockbox 10.44.28 # plz help 10.44.34 # plz 10.44.45 # jamie: wid? Sorry I'm not a native speaker, what wid means? 10.44.49 # me waits for both proper english, and a description of the problem. 10.45.16 # ok i have a problem with rockbox can someone help? 10.45.23 # jhMikeS: is your X5 ok? 10.45.41 # jamie: go ahead and describe your problem 10.46.05 # * Genre9mp3 spots petur around as well :) 10.46.08 # ok well rockbox sucks cock how do i fix this problem? 10.46.15 # do i install linux....i think so 10.46.29 Mode "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 10.46.31 # jamie: yeah... probably a good solution for you 10.46.32 Kick (#Rockbox jamie :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder 10.46.34 # bye bye 10.47.08 Join nls_web [0] (i=d9d1bcda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-34a2493025940fd0) 10.47.14 # lol 10.47.15 # jamie sucks 10.48.06 # * Ajaxinc spits on his grave 10.48.21 # any h10 owners around? 10.48.44 # Genre9mp3: Don't know yet. With the holidays it's probably gonna be a bit longer and I hope they take their time this time and get it right. 10.48.45 Join Drkepilogue [0] (i=456fc2e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6bdd3cbfbf9bf370) 10.49.02 # * Genre9mp3 wonders where all the H300 users have gone in MR 10.49.19 # jhMikeS: have you re-send it to them? 10.51.03 # Yeah, delivered to them on 12/28/05. At least they paid the shipping back. 10.52.08 # I was just wondering if you have tried video playback. The white noise problem must be for coldfire targets I guess 10.52.44 # are u talking about the mpegplayer plugin?? 10.52.46 # Suppose I'll find out whenever it's sent back to me and I can actually connect it to a computer :P 10.53.22 # what was the case before? I mean, after they have sent it back to you? 10.53.37 # Drkepilogue: yes 10.54.00 # hmmmm well for me, it cant even play back mpeg right... 10.54.01 # >_< 10.54.08 # and no sound what so ever 10.54.12 # Last time I had it there was of course no audio for mpegplayer but video ran but a bit slow 10.54.21 # Drkepilogue: what player do you have? 10.54.26 # ipodcolor... 10.54.52 # Drkepilogue: with or without the coprocessor patch? 10.55.09 # genre9mp3: or are you asking what problem I had that made me send it back? ?? 10.55.17 # i guess w/o cuz i dunno how to patch stuff >_> 10.55.37 # jhMikeS: I was actually asking ab... yes 10.55.49 # i just download the lastest CVS and tried it.. 10.55.59 # Drkepilogue: Have you tried the sample videos from http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ ? 10.56.09 # yup 10.56.10 # yup 10.56.12 # using the elephant dream vid 10.56.20 # weird color keep poping up 10.56.46 # Genre9mp3: it wouldn't connect via the USB port at all. kept coming up as some funny USB storage device and crashing everything. the joystick and other things I asked them to fix were still not fixed correctly either 10.57.15 # jhMikeS: wooo.... nice service! 10.57.35 # and BTW, when u click on the mpeg file on the ipod, it doesnt use the mpegplayer automaticly 10.57.36 # came back worse than it started...indeed 10.57.43 # jhMikeS: I hope when they send it back to you again there won't be a third problem as well 10.57.50 # u got to hold the select button and choose mpegplayer 10.58.17 # Drkepilogue: sounds like you don't use latest cvs build 10.58.25 # Drkepilogue: Then you didn't install the cvs build correctly. 10.58.25 # O_o 10.58.33 # It sounds like it's still running the old version. 10.58.41 # i just extract the thingy to the ipod.. 10.58.50 # define thingy 10.58.56 # Bagder: is the mailing list server up? I tried subscribing this morning (about an hour ago) but still haven't had a confirmation request ? 10.59.16 # linuxstb: Could you convert the test video w/sound to another (missong) resolution - 160x128? 10.59.23 # *missing 10.59.56 # amiconn: did you see my note from NYE? 11.00.00 # ah amiconn :) have you tried video playback on any of your coldfire targets? 11.00.09 # No, but I'm about to 11.00.13 # * GodEater notes how everyone leaps on amiconn at once :) 11.00.33 # amiconn: Yes, I'm working through them - I need Bagder around to move them from my limited webspace to download.rockbox.org 11.00.44 # Yesterday I experimented with some thought-to-be-better memcpy algorithm on coldfire 11.00.56 # Turned out worse than the current :/ 11.02.23 # Genre9mp3: me too :) I miss it since it's the only thing I have that can hold all my stuff. 11.02.47 # jhMikeS: At least I hope you enjoying your H100 ;) 11.02.49 # though I am expecting an archos player to arrive 11.03.05 # Genre9mp3: Do the coldfire targets always produce static noise instead of audio? 11.03.05 # Genre9mp3: definitely 11.03.32 # * amiconn suspects an endian issue if that's the case 11.03.41 # amiconn: with current cvs build yes... I always get white noise 11.04.07 # it didn't happen with a previious patch linuxstb gave me though 11.04.09 # But video runs ok? 11.04.13 # yes 11.04.25 # The only difference I can think of compared to the earlier (working-on-Coldfire) version of my patch is that there is now a separate audio thread, as well as a video thread. 11.04.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.04.39 # hmm 11.04.53 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 11.05.17 # linuxstb: Do you have a coldfire target? Even if it's just a H1x0, you could still test what's going wrong 11.05.19 Quit Juice^ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.05.31 # Just don't draw the video (or even use the grayscale lib) 11.06.27 # is coldfire the only big endian cpu or something? 11.06.45 # No, archos (i.e. SH1) is also big endian 11.06.48 # Yes, I have my H140 with me, so can try it. I strongly doubt it's an endian issue though. 11.07.14 # What are the alignment requirements for the audio DMA? 11.07.32 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196) 11.07.32 # If it is an endian issue, the problem should also show up on a big endian sim (e.g. on powermacs) 11.08.38 # linuxstb: the min is 4 byte alignment though 16 byte is better 11.08.45 # The audio decoding code itself didn't change between the first patch and the CVS commit, so I can't see how an endian issue could have slipped in. 11.08.48 # linuxstb: 32 bit afaik (stereo sample pairs) 11.10.11 # hey 11.10.24 # how about rebuffering mpg videos? :] 11.12.11 # Good idea - I didn't think of doing that :) 11.12.35 # i love you linuxstb 11.12.40 # :] 11.13.14 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 11.13.23 # hmmmm i didnt no rockbox had a mp3 encoder! 11.13.24 # xD 11.13.28 # linuxstb: how difficult will the work be to convert to an mpv.codec or the like? 11.14.08 # * amiconn wonders what that should be good for 11.14.15 # JhMikeS: I haven't really thought about that yet. 11.14.22 # Playlists... 11.14.28 # Mixing video with audio... 11.14.50 # Doesn't make sense to me, honestly 11.15.33 # playlists should just accept it like any other media file really 11.16.16 # what exactly is mpv? special container or something? 11.17.37 # was just saying instead of mpeg audio, mpeg video. video should really be no problem to slip into the playback system. the wps just needs to be able to provide a place for the image. 11.18.21 Quit yossa ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 11.20.22 # Anything less than full-screen doesn't make sense for video, really 11.21.14 # certainly not in the first instance if you ask me 11.21.19 # And imho watching video is a completely different thing than listening to audio 11.21.27 # mpv is just m1v or m2v? 11.21.49 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|ingame (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 11.22.24 # amiconn: same here. full screen unless controls need to be temporarily visible for seeking or volume control 11.24.22 # i like... rebuffering :] 11.26.19 # jhMikeS: I think that should be implemented as an overlay for video eventually 11.26.44 # although I've NO idea how tough that'll be to implement 11.27.04 # or, we could jsut focus on rebuffering :] 11.27.06 # GodEater: on x5 it's as close as it will get since lcd_yuv_blit draws right to the display 11.27.19 # so i can enjoy my invader zim in the middle of class while you guys work out the other bugs 11.27.19 # :] 11.27.25 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.180.41) 11.27.41 # Real hw overlays aren't usuable on the H300 I'm told 11.28.13 # jhMikeS: All coldfire and SH1 video output draws directly to the display, either using lcd_yuv_blit() or using lcd_blit() 11.28.15 # I didn't think about that at all before I said it 11.28.28 # you'd need a framebuffer or something wouldn't you 11.28.37 # all eating more precious memory 11.28.46 # * GodEater goes to the back of the class 11.29.04 # amiconn: I'm aware of that but wasn't sure if GodEater meant it in another hw display surface or not. 11.29.29 # heh - I hadn't considered where to do it at all :) 11.30.02 # what's the yuv stand for btw ? 11.30.21 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.30.45 # Genre9mp3: Does video still play back perfectly for you? 11.31.08 Join webguest99 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-437e02fad1655e29) 11.31.12 # * linuxstb waits patiently for his ibook to compile a h140 build 11.31.20 # I guess if overlay in rb parlance means anything bypassing the lcd_framebuffer then overlays are the norm for video 11.31.35 Join Schlumpf2007 [0] (i=Miranda@gateway/tor/x-1509763c13047a67) 11.31.49 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964FD2.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.31.51 # jhMikeS: Not yet on ipod afaik 11.32.04 # i just want to watch invader zim :( 11.32.17 # Hi all! Any news on sansa port sound? 11.32.24 # GodEater: Y = luminance, U = blue chroma, V = red chroma (maybe I reversed U and V :) 11.33.29 # Hi. I've got a question about set_option. If I provide the function parameter, does this func get called with the index of the selected element as argument? If so, we need another param in set_option IMHO, namely the 'inverse' function. This would make use of set_option more straight forward. 11.34.39 # You wouldn't need to first convert the real value to an index, the call set_opt, and then convert the selected index to the real value (the last action can now be done via the function, but not the first). 11.35.17 # Has anyone had thoughts on this before? 11.35.17 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.35.18 Nick God_Eater is now known as GodEater (i=bryan@host-83-146-15-75.bulldogdsl.com) 11.35.33 # linuxstb: yes, video plays fine 11.35.54 # does it crash once your ram is all eaten up? 11.37.23 # am i the only one that packbox dosnt work with? 11.39.36 # Ajaxinc: What happens in pacbox? 11.39.37 # ok, I'll be the crazy one that tries integrating the video into the codec system ... all are free to mock me if I fail miserably :) 11.40.16 # Is jdGordon (=menu guru) here? 11.40.29 # jhMikeS: Forgive my ignorance but still I don't get what this mpv.codec is actually about 11.40.37 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2a7adc139a5dad14) 11.40.44 # any h10 users want to test morse input mode? 11.40.48 # Genre9mp3: I'm getting white-noise on my H140 as well... So at least I can now debug. 11.40.48 Quit Schlumpf2007 () 11.41.17 # linuxstb: cool (about the second part) 11.41.25 # it tells me no roms 11.41.32 # do i actually need the pacman rom? 11.41.34 # Genre9mp3: it would be a codec on the codec thread that uses all the seeking and playlist infrastucture that's in place but would also output a video stream. Audio can play back through the interface that's in place now. 11.41.52 # cause i got that folder with pacman files off of globe whatever 11.41.58 # Ajaxinc: Of course. pacbox is an emulator of the Pacman arcade machine hardware. 11.42.06 # Check the manual for the roms required. 11.42.33 # the .a1 and such and such 11.42.56 # jhMikeS: so we could have an mpv and an mp3 file playing at the same time? 11.42.57 # .5e .5h and such 11.43.53 # Genre9mp3: no, the video codec would use the audio system to play the sound stream. some organized interface for the video steam would need adding, that's all. 11.44.00 # Ajaxinc: Yes. 11.44.14 # i have those in that folder 11.44.19 # and still not showing up 11.44.47 # Ajaxinc: Do you have the 6 files mentioned in the manual, with the correct filenames, and matching md5 checksums? 11.44.53 # An mpg file would use the buffer for the undecoded file just as audio playback does and split the streams into sound and video. 11.44.57 # i got them off of globes site 11.45.03 # so im pretty sure thier right 11.45.12 # But have you checked the filenames against the manual? 11.45.47 # jhMikeS: you're crazy.... 11.45.50 # jhMikeS: ah... so the user would just play regular mpg files but he can use them in playlists as well or even use bookmarks, right? 11.45.55 # Don't think I'd demand crossfade for video though (to alpha blend two videos together :) 11.46.03 # I want gapless though... 11.46.32 # Resuming of videos would be useful as well... 11.46.34 # gapless video? hehe...maybe 11.47.22 Join adam1302 [0] (i=cbab4195@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a2ab1ee85a04fe66) 11.47.31 # or, just video that dosnt crash? please :( 11.47.36 # :] 11.47.43 # not to sound whiny or anything 11.47.55 # resuming just saves the current position so that should be automatic really 11.48.55 # The codec needs to support seeking for this to work 11.48.56 # I imagine the codec would have to seek to the proper starting picture and decode to the final start position 11.50.14 # Hm... Noone here who knows menu/settings code well. I'll ask later. But the inconsistency/assymetry is obvious IMHO. 11.50.23 # but exactly how to perform the seek should be the codec's concern in that case 11.51.02 # webguest99: I did some updating on that. What was the question? I _might_ know something. 11.51.24 # This PANIC stkov with dircache when booting starts to be really annoying :< 11.52.50 # jhMikeS: see the today's entry from 11.33.29 11.53.23 Part adam1302 11.54.10 # Genre9mp3: You could try increasing the dircache stack size - in firmware/common/dircache.c, line 63. 11.54.38 # linuxstb: thanks, I'll try that 11.55.53 # webguest99: I did discuss it with JdGordon. I think a small enhancement should allow real values in set_option as well as the ability to hide options through the callbacks and not affect the index. 11.56.57 # nls_web: i'll test that patch for you now 11.57.09 # jhMikeS: have you agreed on something? 11.57.15 # The value lists are readily available in the settings array afterall 11.57.24 # barrywardell: thanks 11.57.43 # webguest99: no...I just told him I wanted it cause it would simplify the audio menus a lot 11.58.49 # jhMikeS: I want to use set_option in a plugin. There I have a real value. I wouldn't want to convert it to the index in the values array, then call set_opt, then set the value. It's not very elegant IMHO. 11.58.49 # The recording source option for one where FM Radio may be detected or not detected 11.59.24 Quit Drkepilogue ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.59.45 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 11.59.59 # jhMikeS: or we could enhance the opt_item structure to also include the real value 12.00.10 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.00.29 # The arrays spread everywhere should go imho. I did add the option to use external or direct arrays for a setting depending on the need. Samplerates are taken from an external array but it makes sense there. 12.00.40 # jhMikeS: that would make the function param unnecessary. Or do I miss smth.? 12.02.47 # webguess99: Right now I'm forgetting which parameter you're talking about. It's been awhile. 12.03.24 # sorry, webguest99, not webguess99 :) 12.04.14 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12.05.37 # jhMikeS: I'm talking about the callback function that may be provided in a call to set_option. That function (if it's specified) gets applied to the selected index. 12.07.23 # jhMikeS: ..and can be used to convert the selected index to the real value. But there's nothing to convert the real value to the initial value of the index. This has to be made "by hand" atm 12.07.34 # ok. yes. that calls the function to apply setting immediately but with an index. 12.08.22 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.08.49 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B95AF7.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.09.28 # Indexes would be ok, as long as they dont change if an item is dropped. The real value lookup can be easy if the pointer to the setting item's structure is provided too. 12.09.46 # so any thign with nethack happenin? 12.11.34 # The index is more flexible in general and round_value_to_list32 returns an index and not the rounded value for example. Use the index if preffered or just lookup the value in the array passed in. 12.12.43 # nls_web: the morse input works fine. the only problem is that in morse mode i can't move the cursor down to the text to delete 12.12.53 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-355040b161a946c5) 12.13.57 # webguest99: I wanted a way of compiling that code into an automatic enum {}; with settings indexes into the main table and all you're desiring (and me too) would be very easy to accomplish. 12.13.58 Quit GodEaterWeb (Client Quit) 12.14.01 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e86ba58e3946136c) 12.15.34 Quit nls_web ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.16.24 Nick Everybody|ingame is now known as Everybody|Determ (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 12.16.27 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.17.15 Quit webguest99 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.17.33 # #plugins 12.17.52 # are there any other general rockbox channels? 12.18.20 Join nls_web [0] (i=d9d1bcda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7223723c83e29a34) 12.19.04 Quit nls_web (Client Quit) 12.19.18 Join nls_web2 [0] (i=d9d1bcda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f3313b29e09fe25a) 12.19.58 # barrywardell: thanks for testing, I'll see if I can fix it. 12.20.01 # * jhMikeS cannot move down to the text on the keyboard on the H120...never could. 12.20.01 Join lyle [0] (n=lyle@S01060014bff97d91.ed.shawcable.net) 12.21.02 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC") 12.21.05 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d1fae740d4cb6466) 12.21.09 Nick lyle is now known as Lyle_ca (n=lyle@S01060014bff97d91.ed.shawcable.net) 12.22.23 Join webguest99 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5aa067424e58d6af) 12.22.26 Quit Lyle_ca (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.23.16 # jhMikeS: On h1x0, h300 and recorders, the virtual keyboard doesn't use modes, but has separate button assignments for moving the cursor and deleting characters in the input line 12.24.14 # On the other targets with less buttons, the virtual keyboard uses 2 modes: picker and line edit 12.24.28 # jhMikeS: I don't quite undestand why we should deal with the index at all. After all, we want to set the value of a var. Each option has a text (to show to the user) and a real value. It's like the option tag in HTML. Why messing with index? 12.25.19 # Why not include both the text and the real value into opt_item? 12.27.39 # For example, in the new firewoks plugin, all settings are defined pair wise: texts and the corresponding values as two separate arrays. And the var stores the index. Weird IMHO. I'd rather prefer to have the real value in the var. 12.29.33 # amiconn: I really find that awkward myself to use the play button. It's fast to just go to the text and move the cursor or hit select/navi to delete chars. 12.29.59 # webguest99: There is a reason why large-range settings values are stored as indices rather than plain values 12.30.56 # The settings are stored as bit tables in order to save space, and an index takes less bits than the plain value 12.31.31 # webguest99: Well I don't want to lose flexibility for one. And amiconn said it for another reason :). but that isn't an issue with the settings patch. 12.31.42 # This is because settings are (still) stored in a hiddes sector on disk, and on some targets in nonvolatile memory which isn't very big 12.31.55 # amiconn: well, that's another case. If you have an int setting that goes e.g. from 0 to 1000 I wouldn't want that. But for a small set of discrete settings I'd prefer to specify values with texts. 12.32.27 # When we switch to storing (most) settings as text this will no longer be an issue 12.32.51 # * GodEaterWeb jumps up and down and tries to attract amiconn's attention 12.33.16 # * jhMikeS made the samplerates store as 44100, 88200, etc. in the JdGordon's patch 12.33.23 # There is a patch in the tracker for this which has come quite far, but still lacks some things 12.33.27 Quit GodEaterWeb (Excess Flood) 12.33.45 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-48310b0b7b108297) 12.33.52 # amiconn: I'm not talking about RB settings but rather about the engine that lets the user to choose them. Or, more precisely, about the way the choice is programmed (by a RB programmer) 12.33.54 # with automatic rounding as an optional attribute 12.34.04 # ...mainly storing those ever-changing values as binary, and ironing out some bugs 12.34.10 # ...e.g. voice not working 12.34.51 # amiconn: how the settings are actually stored on disk (as text or as bi values or...) is another matter IMHO. 12.35.19 # amiconn: in the code, we always work with real values (or should if we don't). 12.35.32 # No it's not... we don't want unnecessary conversion layers because that makes the code more complex 12.35.57 # ...and code size is always an issue on embedded platforms 12.36.26 # The question arose as I wanted to call set_option from a plugin. The user can choice one item out of three. 12.36.38 # if the conversion is small and localized then it probably will save space instead of having every instance providing its own 12.37.47 # I agree that the lower levels should all take literal values instead of indices, and once we switched to file configs, the upper level can also be switched 12.37.47 Join Angry [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-153-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.38.00 # But look at the fireworks code (as an example). Pairwise arrays, an the order of entries must match. Very fragile! 12.38.28 # midkay: around? 12.38.51 # I did use a function that is used commonly in the recording code for the conversion so no new layer to speak of 12.40.53 # GodEater: wazzup? 12.40.55 # webguest99: you can use specified element initialization like my_array[] = { [INDEX_X] = something, ... }. less fragile 12.41.12 # amiconn - I'm in the middle of a v. informative conversation with a friend of mine who used to work at Rio 12.41.25 # he has some ideas on what might be going on with the 80GB ipod 12.41.42 # there's rather a lot though - can you PM me your email address (assuming you're interested) ? 12.43.15 # jhMikeS: but it's not nice. An intuitive way would be: opts={ {"Text1", val1}, {"Text2", val2}} -- and then call set_option(opts, &my_var). Wouldn't it? 12.45.15 # webguest99: yes, would work but with the settings update that data will be stored in the settings array but for now it's not really possible. 12.45.38 Quit webmind ("Reconnecting") 12.45.41 Join webmind [0] (i=webmind@feather.perl6.nl) 12.46.43 # jhMikeS: would that update also make working with settings in plugins more comfortable? Or is it only aimed at RB global settings? 12.47.24 # amiconn - it's on it's way - let me know if you think there's anything useful in it 12.47.27 # webguest99: That I don't know right now. I'm not sure if JdGordon made any changes there. 12.48.05 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 12.50.18 # I'm thinking it needs to work in any way that's needed and be a simple implementation too. It could return the index still in your case and then you can just look up afterwards from the opts but the pairing won't be fragile. 12.51.34 # We must not forget the voice ui here. The value needs to be voiceable somehow 12.51.45 # amiconn: by the way, if there's anything in there that looks like it's trying to teach you to suck eggs - sorry! The GPIO education was for my benefit - probably not yours 12.52.35 # amiconn: yes, have struct opt_item{text_to_show, real_value, voice_id} 12.53.34 # well, most values like that are voiced with a real number and a unit id 12.53.47 # Real numeric values don't have voice ids, but they need to be marked as such and the unit needs to be specified 12.55.50 # amiconn: we need (and already have IIRC) two API's: one for numeric settings (with unit, min, max, step, etc) and one for discrete settings. I'm talking only about the latter case. 12.57.08 # Yes, but discrete settings are used for numeric values in some places, if they're not equally distributed 12.57.18 # The backlight timeout is such an example 12.58.47 # amiconn: then they are (technically speaking) discrete settings and need to be defined as such. At the 'human level' they are numeric ofcourse. 12.58.59 # it has that pesky lookup tucked away in backlight.c though...eck 12.59.47 # jhMikeS: well, sure, but wouldn't it be equally good to just fade audio smoothly out while voice clips play? 12.59.59 # jhMikeS: not an expert, though, i've never actually coded a limiter 13.00.25 # amiconn: Here's an X5-sized version of Elephants Dream - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-160x128-287kbps.mpg 13.00.29 # jhMikeS: another reason to enhance the opt_item structure. 13.00.42 # preglow: had more in mind than just voice...probably 4 channels or so with the ability of plugins to use a sound channel during playback 13.02.49 # jhMikeS: but yeah, i don't think a limiter need be very slow, but it'll have to introduce some delay (look-ahead) in order to be decent 13.03.04 # I want smooth cosine rolloff/up for starts and stops on each channel too. A mixing board with gain on each, 2 channels for playback (for x-fading), 1 for beep, 1 for voice, maybe 1 for plugins 13.03.10 # Hmm, am I the only one who thinks fireworks.rock isn't really impressive? 13.03.29 # amiconn: visually or code wise? 13.03.31 # * linuxstb hasn't tried it. 13.03.42 # Visually, resulting from how it's coded 13.03.51 # Plain integers instead of fixed point 13.04.07 # preglow: and a DSP approach for the fade too instead of the volume control for SWCODEC 13.04.18 # yeah, that would very nice 13.04.20 # goodbye clicking 13.04.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.04.46 # * linuxstb is running out of ideas to fix Coldfire audio in mpegplayer... 13.04.47 # That would just result from each channel having a gain stage 13.05.11 # amiconn: well, I think it's more than OK for a DAP. And the code is nice except from the fact with options :-P 13.05.23 # linuxstb: fix? 13.05.45 # Somehow I broke it between my initial patches and committing to CVS. 13.05.57 # I just get noise... 13.06.07 # Works fine on ARM though. 13.06.13 # (Gigabeat and PortalPlayer) 13.06.27 # not really sure how to approach it though. not trivial and must be fast. crossfade would just be feeding two audio channels with sould and adjusting the volume. hope I'm not creating a nighmare :) 13.07.41 # jhMikeS: i wouldn't be too sure on how to approach it either... 13.08.03 Join Drkepilogue [0] (i=456fc2e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-53e593142079290a) 13.08.27 Join mamott99 [0] (n=mattamot@d58-105-216-152.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.09.04 # is there a rockbox bootloader for the gigabeat f/x series? where can i find it? 13.09.57 # So much is required to be a "late effect" so the results are heard rather immediately. Some things can be early effects like sample rate conversion. I need to draw one of those functional diagrams like you see for ICs with what stage should go where. The final summing point would happen right in the DMA and nothing can be modified beyond that point. hmm 13.10.21 # mamott99: Try asking in #gigabeat 13.10.33 # ok thx 13.10.55 # mamott99, http://globelock.mine.nu/rockbox/main-cvs/ occaisionally posts builds from cvs 13.11.13 # the bootloader in there works with current download.rockbox.org cvs downloads for the gigabeat 13.11.23 # ah, thank you! 13.11.36 Part Angry 13.11.44 # don't forget to copy your original bootloader to FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG 13.11.45 # * jhMikeS just gets crazy ideas in his head 13.11.56 # will do 13.12.08 # hey guys does crossfading songs drain much extra power? 13.12.29 Quit Drkepilogue (Client Quit) 13.12.31 # some change there is needed to split voice away from playback and add other capability that I'd like 13.13.04 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 13.13.51 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8082092cf3228795) 13.14.07 Nick Everybody|Determ is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 13.14.08 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 13.14.22 Join jba_ [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 13.15.14 # jba: well it makes things a bit busier for a couple seconds or so mixing buffers. can't imagine it should be too bad. 13.17.01 Quit webguest99 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.17.24 # thank you very much, guys, it works great! 13.19.29 Quit mamott99 () 13.27.08 # linuxstb: Something is really wrong with mpegplayer on coldfire 13.27.10 # at least about 512KB of memory will be regained in the first iteration at that :) simplifying the audio init to one stage saved a lot too 13.27.41 # I don't hear any sound on H300, and the main thread exits the plugin while the video thread is still up & running (!!) 13.27.53 # Now I have a file browser with a video overlay... 13.28.09 # hehe... 13.28.09 # That's not good. 13.28.47 # Starting another plugin makes it crash, of course 13.29.08 # wow, can we have moving backdrops now? :p 13.29.22 # More like a frontdrop... 13.29.24 # petur: beat me to it :) 13.29.34 # I used a non-fullscreen video 13.29.38 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 13.30.46 # One of my elephants dream encodes? 13.30.55 # yes 13.31.09 # Tried both the widescreen version for H300, and the X5 version 13.31.45 # Same problem occurs on X5 13.32.17 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.32.18 # (less easy to see since there is no widescreen version yet, but the browsers "flickers through" when moving the cursor) 13.32.53 # There's a short splash "Cannot create.... " 13.33.03 # That must be "cannot create thread" 13.33.05 # Doesn't appear long enough to read it fully 13.33.29 # That means that there is some error handling missing 13.33.30 # Which would probably explain the immediate quit without closing the video thread. 13.33.37 # Yes. 13.34.13 # But I've just discovered that if I decode audio on the main thread (rather than creating a new thread), it's working. 13.35.06 # The splash is indeed "Cannot create audio thread" 13.35.39 # The audio thread is the second thread created, and mpegplayer doesn't kill the video thread if the audio thread can't be created... 13.35.47 # It just returns PLUGIN_ERROR. 13.35.55 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@p54BCFA48.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.36.06 # yes 13.36.07 # But why would the thread creation fail? 13.36.21 # Just the maximum number of threads being reached? 13.36.22 # Too many threads? 13.37.12 # demolish the backlight thread to make room 13.37.52 # #if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC 13.37.52 # #define MAXTHREADS 15 13.38.08 # Yes, looks like MAXTHREADS is the only error condition in create_thread. 13.38.13 # ..and there are already 14 threads running without that plugin 13.38.42 # But why does it work on ipod then? 13.39.44 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.39.45 # I wonder if the recording thread shouldn't be stopped when recording is closed. Seems unncessary unless you're recording something. 13.40.26 # I only have 12 threads running on my ipod Color when I turn it on. 13.40.40 # (according to the debug screen) 13.40.42 # Does the ipod color have recording now? 13.40.57 # Yes. pcmrec is one of them. 13.41.32 # I have: main, scroll, remote_scroll, usb, backlight, power, audio, codec, ata, dircache, tagcache, playlist_cachectrl, pcm, voice codec 13.41.44 # remote_scroll... 13.42.05 # That's one... but there are 2 more than on ipod color 13.42.08 # And I don't have voice enabled. 13.42.32 # you'll have a voice thread if a file is detected 13.42.36 # Me neither... 13.42.41 # Yes, I don't even have the file. 13.42.48 # That explains it... 13.43.23 # Any objection to bumping MAX_THREADS by one? 13.43.48 # Could be done... but the plugin still needs proper error handling 13.45.23 # It just needs to kill the video thread. I'll add that. 13.45.54 Quit jba_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.46.32 # Personally I'd like to shut off stuff not needed all the time like pcmrec. That state is so specific and modal. Voice and backlight should just be history. Why can't scroll and remote scroll be the same? 13.47.23 # But going back to the Coldfire audio problems, does anyone know any reason libmad would work on the main thread (and obviously in the codec thread), but not on my own audio thread? 13.47.45 # jhMikeS: Scroll and remote_scroll can be set to different intervals. 13.47.53 # And why would backlight be unneeded? 13.47.53 Quit nls_web2 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.48.15 Join nls_web [0] (i=d9d1bcda@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2f2641f7b2398456) 13.50.59 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 13.51.47 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 13.52.34 # wondering if it can be handled at different intervals on one thread. backlight really can be a final state thing and the tick task can do it. 13.52.54 # No, the tick task cannot switch the backlight directly 13.53.21 # It could if it were just GPIO on all targets, but that's not the case 13.53.37 # On the recorders, switching backlight involves i2c 13.54.06 # Is the i2c used by interrupts? 13.54.33 # No, quite to the contrary, it must not be used in interrupts 13.54.42 # And tick tasks run in the timer interrupt 13.55.37 # It _might_ be possibly to unify the display stuff (scroll and backlight) into one thread per display 13.56.00 # I know they do...ok, is there any way to combine threads for infrequent events? 13.57.06 Quit barrywardell () 13.57.21 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.180.41) 13.57.21 # backlight seems almost like a power managment task to me 13.58.42 Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) 14.04.09 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 14.04.24 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 14.04.31 Join jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 14.04.54 Quit ravon ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.1.0") 14.05.29 # amiconn: had a chance to read that email yet? any of it useful ? 14.06.58 # also, are all the SWCODEC targets' DMA interrupts at an unmaskable level or is this just a coldfire deal? I'm thinking the usual disabling of interrupts should be at level 5 and DMA be at level 6 so it can be disabled at certain points for a short time but not interfered with normally. 14.08.03 # OK, if I disable the Coldfire optimisations in libmad, mpegplayer works... 14.08.29 # (with a separate audio thread). With the Coldfire optimisations, it only works if I decode audio in the main thread. 14.08.43 Quit aarond ("I quit") 14.09.06 Join Angry [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-153-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.09.07 # something in the emac status register not set right? 14.09.07 # * linuxstb pings preglow 14.10.59 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 14.13.27 # jhMikeS: That's what I thought, but I can't see anything that would do that for the main thread. 14.13.46 # i.e. what's different between the main thread and the thread I'm creating? 14.14.36 # linuxstb: ? 14.14.59 # preglow; Any comments on my last 4 or 5 sentences? 14.15.06 # linuxstb: try finding out the specific opt that breaks stuff 14.15.11 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 14.15.14 # linuxstb: some of them have been modified after i touched them 14.15.26 # and either way, i'd hate to have to look at any of them again :> 14.15.47 # :) 14.15.48 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.16.31 # libmad seems to work without error, but the audio it's returning is wrong... 14.16.45 # hmm 14.16.49 # Any suggestions where to start? 14.16.52 # any special linkage? iram is used as normal? 14.17.19 # linuxstb: it's the first "thread" but never created, just added as a default. It's not given any special consideration beyond that. macsr is preserved per thread though. 14.17.34 # Yes, IRAM is used as normal. The only thing that breaks it is when I create my own mpegplayer audio thread, rather than decoding in the main thread. 14.18.07 # That audio thread has an IRAM stack. 14.19.39 # well, i really have no idea 14.19.46 # been a long time since i looked at that code anyway 14.20.13 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-37-227.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 14.20.27 # Any suggestions for asm I could use to initialise the EMAC in my thread? Does that make sense? (I know nothing about the EMAC...) 14.20.29 # libmad obviously works on the codec thread though 14.20.35 # linuxstb: ah, right 14.20.52 # that would be logical 14.21.23 # mad_synth_init does this: coldfire_set_macsr(EMAC_FRACTIONAL | EMAC_SATURATE | EMAC_ROUND); 14.21.32 # (which I'm calling...) 14.21.34 # then that's what you want 14.22.04 # There's nothing else? 14.22.16 # it should be preserved upon a task switch 14.22.16 # macsr is saved across threads, so if you do some fancy thread stuff, you need to set it other places too 14.24.47 # barrywardell: if you read this I updated the patch in the tracker to enable line edit mode in the Morse mode screen, should work for ipods too in fact... 14.25.31 # mad_synth_init is called from the thread that uses libmad? (just a dumb question but have to ask :) 14.25.42 # Not a dumb question, and not true :) 14.25.54 # I call init_mad() from the main thread... 14.26.14 # there you go :) 14.26.30 # * linuxstb passes jhMikeS the beverage of his choice 14.27.15 # just coffee at this hour, thanks :) 14.27.17 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.27.23 # screw the hour! 14.27.37 # ok, Guiness then :) 14.30.25 # Yes, that did the trick. Guinness in the post. 14.30.42 # * petur wonders why he suddenly wanted to check on the irc window.... 14.31.06 # * preglow votes for the alcoholic tendency 14.34.56 # *glug* ahh 14.36.39 # preglow: Tried mpegplayer on your Nano? 14.37.47 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.39.28 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 14.39.51 # Anyone object to me bumping MAX_THREADS by 1 to allow mpegplayer to create two threads on targets with LCD remotes and voice files installed? 14.43.13 # I don't object but I'm still thinking pcmrec should only exist when recording is initialized and video playback makes recording impossible at the same time so it's not really needed to do so. The change is pretty trivial and safe. 14.43.57 # But then the debugging screen won't display the pcmrec stack usage anymore...hmmm 14.44.17 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.49.28 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fd97c200284d42ff) 14.52.32 # Be mindful it's only truely safe for a thread to remove itself via remove_thread(NULL) since waitable objects contain the waiter pointer and it seems wakeup_thread will bomb out later on the invalid entry (or wake the wrong thread if something took the slot). Just an observation. 14.52.38 Join Febs_ [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 14.52.40 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 14.53.02 Quit Febs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.55.42 # linuxstb: Haha! That was quick! :) thanks for fixing it :) 14.57.27 Join debauched_sloth [0] (n=gwhite@216.183.191.85) 14.57.30 Part debauched_sloth 14.57.47 Join debauched_sloth [0] (n=gwhite@216.183.191.85) 15.01.56 # Genre9mp3: here i am! :) 15.02.36 # little question: can cvs still be used to update the source, or do i have to use svn now? 15.03.26 # afk for 10 mins or so 15.04.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.09.09 # midkay: I was wondering if you plan to commit other games as well (like pegbox or chopper) 15.09.53 # ummm...I didn't get no notification about a switch to svn other than the plans to...am I out of the loop now? ?? 15.10.09 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 15.10.09 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 15.10.25 # isn't the svn switch supposed to be on 8th of Jan? 15.11.59 # has there been a change to the FS notification mails? 15.12.16 # hmmm...didn't hear that either. the last message I have is a reply to one of my questions 15.15.26 # Genre9mp3: I assume you've tested? 15.15.43 # should post a countdown on the site till the switch :) is it installable on debian via the apt-get? 15.16.05 # Yes, it's something like svn-client 15.16.34 # any min version that will be needed? unstable? 15.16.44 # I've no idea... 15.19.46 # linuxstb: give me a moment, I was busy with something else 15.19.46 # says it couldn't find package svn-client ... hmmm 15.20.00 # Genre9mp3: yeah, i am :) 15.20.36 # Genre9mp3: After you've (hopefully) confirmed that CVS is working, can you do a test with kiram's optimisations applied? Add "IBSS_ATTR" to line 300 of mpegplayer.c (i.e. so it reads "....MDLEN] IBSS_ATTR; /* 2567 bytes */" I would be interested to know if that increases the framerate further. 15.20.37 # sudo apt-get subversion should work 15.20.52 # (for getting subversion) 15.21.24 # jhMikeS: Sorry, "svn-client" is the package in fink (a Mac OS X thing). 15.21.58 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.180.41) 15.23.34 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.24.43 # linuxstb: everything seems ok... I had an mpg though (which I had encoded myself) that the music pauses some times 15.24.46 Join webguest99 [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-52aec5b5627c7dbc) 15.25.32 # I mean: elephant's dream vids play alright now, but one mpg I've encoded myself has pauses in the sound 15.26.32 # midkay: could you please read the discussion about set_options (started today at 11.33.29) and tell me your opinion? What did you feel/think as you coded menues for the fireworks plugin? 15.27.30 # linuxstb: I guess I'll experiment more and re-encode it but if you like I can send it to you for experimentation 15.28.07 # ...since that file previously played fine (without pauses in the sound) 15.28.12 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2e425d467ff28670) 15.28.35 # What kind of audio does it have? 15.28.48 # mp3 128kbps cbr 15.29.06 # amiconn: I tried something based on my discussion with my friend this morning - which is writing out the ATA_DATA register regardless of any errors returned in the ATA_STATUS register. 15.29.08 # seems to be svn-buildpackage by Googling 15.29.16 # now - it's still fubar - the data makes no sense at all 15.29.22 # but it is *changing* at least 15.29.30 # jhMikeS: "apt-cache search svn" would have given you a list of candidates... 15.30.11 # hrmph...it's going in now :) don't know what I'll end up with 15.30.42 # do we initialise something somewhere with a bunch of 0xdeadbeef values ? 15.30.49 # Yes, the stacks. 15.31.42 # I am ready for testing here also linuxstb^^ (H10) 15.31.50 # hmmm...that just came up with a bunch of other packages it couldn't find 15.32.04 # Angry: Nothing's changed - I've just spent all day fixing a Coldfire bug... 15.32.05 # well we appear to be getting those back again from the ata_read_sectors call on the MBR 15.32.07 # webguest99: hmm.. well, it was a little harder than it might have been because most of the values you choose aren't exactly sequential. 15.32.14 # for at least the first few bytes 15.32.15 # roger^^ 15.32.19 # but the seach comes up with a helluva lot of candidates 15.32.33 # all the way up to 0xd0 in the sector anyway 15.32.43 # jhMikeS: "subversion" seems to be the package - as debauched_sloth mentioned 10 minutes ago... 15.32.45 # and then we starting getting "other stuff" 15.32.56 # (and maybe subversion-tools) 15.33.20 # missed that one :) 15.33.24 # Angry: Which H10 do you have? 15.33.24 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 15.34.50 # are the stacks near the ATA registers ? 15.34.50 # Angry: Have you compiled your own build with the kernel_on_cop_6.diff patch? 15.34.55 # stilll a lot of "failed to fetch:" 15.35.05 # apt-get update ? 15.35.39 # trying that 15.35.45 # we'll see 15.36.04 # linuxstb: trying now the change you told me in mpegplayer.c 15.36.52 # seems to be going ok now 15.37.06 # (gotta run, laters) 15.38.38 # yep it's there now...beverages of choice to linuxstb and debouched_sloth in return :) 15.39.24 Join norbu [0] (n=norbert@dhcp03.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 15.39.43 # linuxstb: I get errors with the change you mentioned 15.39.51 # while compiling that is 15.40.08 # midkay: wouldn't it have been it easier if you could provide real values along with the setting texts (i.e. in one data structure)? 15.40.40 # Hi all! I am currently building a new customized build (h3x0 norbu build) but get compile errors with mpegviewer ... is this known already? (PLUGIN_IRAM is full, section .ibss) 15.41.40 # huh? 15.41.46 # I just got the same error 15.41.56 # with mirak's optimisation patch? 15.42.30 # what is mirak's optimisation patch? The one from FS#5995 idct_asm_coldfire_patch_0.2.patch? 15.42.35 # yes 15.42.56 # yes, I have this one in my build. Do I have to kill it? 15.43.28 # well, it seems that it just got outdated 15.43.39 # Ok, thanks ...1min and I try .... 15.43.47 # I suppose the read-only CVS will be good for diffing and patching to the svn checkout? 15.44.24 # jhMikeS: Yes, that's the purpose of it IIUC. 15.44.29 # Genre9mp3: thanks, worked, removing the optimisation patch made compiling work, even with my bunch of patches I have. 15.44.53 # norbu: well, you'll loose some performance though 15.45.09 # Better than no performance at all ;-) 15.45.39 # sure, I wish mirak gets his hands on this 15.45.40 # We're now fighting for IRAM between the video and audio... 15.46.08 # BTW, I have fixed the progressbar_ycoord patch to work with the new markers stuff, not very hard. What should I do with it? The discussion about inclusion seems to be dead anyway, or? 15.46.13 # Someone needs to try and find the optimal combination, or implement IRAM switching in some way.... 15.46.16 # linuxstb: So it's not the change that cause it, it's the whole patch outdated now 15.48.26 Nick kclaf2K7 is now known as kclaf (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 15.50.58 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/administrator/Febs) 15.51.17 Part webguest99 15.53.45 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.59.16 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohannmi@cpe-71-72-99-25.columbus.res.rr.com) 16.00.10 Join phrozen77 [0] (n=phrozen7@p54931B30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.01.52 # linuxstb: I have put the information you requested about the new bootloader on a 20 GB 4G iPod on the forum 16.02.11 # linuxstb: hope it helps figure out the problem 16.02.24 # norbu: about the progressbar_ycoord patch, I think that the idea is that we won't need it after viewports get implemented 16.03.56 # Ah, ok. So I will continue fixing it for my builds as long as there are the mythical viewports ;-) ;-) 16.05.15 # mythical^^ 16.05.43 # not as mythical as the mythical Rockbox 3.0 :P 16.05.58 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.06.00 # Basta with this, it doesn't help. 16.06.29 # Angry: Did you ask for the cuesheet support patch to be included? 16.06.56 Part fasmaie 16.07.11 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.10.29 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a9478a7aa4e22fa3) 16.11.36 Join liviu [0] (n=liviu@86.107.79.221) 16.11.42 # hello 16.11.51 # is it possible to dual boot rockbox with the ipods firmware? 16.12.01 # Yes. 16.12.14 # and how would I do that? or where is it referenced in the manual? 16.12.38 Join topbloke [0] (i=top_blok@adsl-75-56-49-39.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 16.12.52 # I don't know about the manual, but it's described here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ 16.12.58 # thanks 16.14.11 # Genre9mp3: Does mpegplayer still compile with karim's optimisation, but without that extra IBSS_ATTR I suggested to you? 16.14.37 # linuxstb: as far as I can see, it's not referenced in the manual at all 16.15.11 # We need to put a "tips and tricks" section in the manual that contains that type of hardware-specific information. 16.15.33 # Dual-booting isn't really a tip or a trick though... 16.17.20 # I'm sure we could think of a better name. 16.17.35 # shouldn't it go into the bootloader section ? 16.17.40 # But the point is that we need a section that deals with hardware-specific things like how to dual boot, how to clear settings, etc. 16.18.21 # I was thinking that it could go in the Quick Start chapter. 16.18.43 # The method is hardware-specific, but the task isn't. All (?) targets have dual-booting, a way to clear settings, etc etc. 16.19.02 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 16.19.55 Join Schlumpf2007 [0] (i=Miranda@gateway/tor/x-c46f65a195927a4b) 16.20.25 # Febs: I also think it would be placed better there - for example I'm still searching a place where to put the info about "usb power mode" in the Ondio manual 16.21.09 # Hello! How about the sansa sound? Any news? 16.21.50 # Febs: the Quick start chapter would be a good choice for that too 16.21.51 Quit liviu ("leaving") 16.23.20 # linuxstb: It doesn't compile anymore with karim's patch, with or without the change 16.23.41 # Schlumpf2007: no more progress on sound yet 16.26.12 # so progress depends on DAC data sheet? nothing similar available? what a pity... 16.26.33 # Genre9mp3 and linuxstb: I can check about the customization patch. What would be the suggested change? Currently the IBSS occurs only in +static mpeg2dec_t static_mpeg2dec IBSS_ATTR; What would be the suggested change? Removing only the IBBS_ATTR text? 16.26.38 Join PaulPosition [0] (n=noneofye@modemcable115.145-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) 16.26.46 # yes, we haven't been able to obtain a data sheet 16.27.15 # does someone know if the old devkit can still be used to compile rockbox for coldfire targets (h300)? 16.27.49 # Hey Barrywardell.. I was wondering, how come the recording on H10 works well enough but the battery and the scrollpad reading is noisy as hell? They use two different ADCs? 16.28.04 # yes, they use different ADC's 16.28.11 # ah. 16.28.20 # the ADC for the battery and scrollpad are inside the PP5020 16.28.28 # Ohhh. I see, thanks. 16.28.57 # i'm getting an error when trying to compile: cannot find -lgcc 16.30.04 Quit Kitt0s ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 16.31.02 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.31.47 # Genre9mp3: You said: linuxstb: It doesn't compile anymore with karim's patch, with or without the change. 16.31.47 # But I just compiled with the idct_coldfire patch included, only the IBSS_ATTR removed?! 16.32.42 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@84.94.102.8) 16.32.51 # Yes, the IBSS_ATTR puts variables in IRAM. We only have 48KB of IRAM available to plugins, so that was too much... 16.33.03 # (now that libmad is using IRAM at the same time) 16.33.07 Join TCPMeta [0] (i=TCPMeta@adsl-068-209-133-069.sip.jax.bellsouth.net) 16.33.30 # Thus, removing the IBSS_ATTR allows compilation, does it also still help with speedup? 16.33.45 # anyone care to help me with my ipod? i installed rockbox on my 5g and the loader kinda loads up and frezzes 16.33.54 # I have some files on my iAudio that can't be erased because they are corrupted. Does anyone know how to fix that? 16.33.55 # norbu: So you removed IBSS_ATTR completely and it compiled? 16.34.01 # norbu: No, removing the IBSS_ATTR will slow it down... 16.34.30 # Well, the question is whether it is still faster without the IBSS_ATTR then without the whole patch? 16.35.19 # anyone care to help me with my ipod? i installed rockbox on my 5g and the loader kinda loads up and frezzes, lastline is Toshiba MK8010GAH 16.35.45 # gantrixx - You'd need to do a scandisc (under windows) or a fsck under linux, or whatever the file system checks are named in your operating system, I think. 16.36.05 # TCPMeta: Rockbox doesn't work on the 80GB 5.5g 16.36.06 # is scandisc a command line program? 16.36.07 # TCPMeta - 80gb drive? Rockbox doesn't support them yet. 16.36.16 # damn 16.36.25 # (as mentioned on the homepage....) 16.36.31 # chkdsk /r X: where X is the drive letter of your iPod. use that for checking the ipod disk 16.36.31 # ^^ 16.36.46 # so i can't partition the drive to 60 and use it then? 16.36.53 # gantrix: nope, in windows, right click the device's drive, select properties, then tool and there is scandisc.. 16.37.02 # * norbu running to the homepage and checking ... btw 80Gb are not supported at all or only on iPod5.5? (Thinking about putting it into my H340). 16.37.19 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-47d2cb32b03fdf0f) 16.37.29 # hi all 16.37.40 Part Schlumpf2007 16.37.52 # TCPMeta: No. 16.37.53 # norbu: afaik, theres no 5g 80gb 16.38.13 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@mur31-1-82-237-204-133.fbx.proxad.net) 16.38.20 # norbu: The "5.5g Video ipod with 80GB disk" is not supported. 80GB disks in general work... 16.38.40 # think ipod linux will work? 16.38.41 # good, now I have to get a hand on one ... 16.38.49 # TCPMeta: No, it doesn't. 16.38.51 # TCPMeta: nope 16.39.42 # can u exxplain me why patches are not added as far as they are done (as for keymaps mods) ? quality code ? hard to revert ? 16.40.00 # oh well, time to reflash and stick with a stock ipod 16.40.03 Quit TCPMeta () 16.40.21 # [not a criticisism, just question] 16.40.28 # linuxstb: sorry to disturb again: So is the optimize patch without the IBSS_ATTR still faster than without the optimize patch at all? 16.40.57 # I believe so, otherwise the rest of that code would be pointless... 16.41.06 # ok I'm running the chkdsk /r i: 16.41.18 # but all it does is report the problem? does it attempt a fix? 16.42.07 # linuxstb: ok, thanks. 16.42.13 # Angry: are you here? 16.42.23 # Yes 16.42.45 # You dont get the messages i send you over miranda^^ 16.42.48 # About the cuesheet patch: Was it you who asked me to include it into the norbu build? 16.43.18 # Yes it was me... but i didnt ask for... Already got them in my H10 build... it was just a hint for your builds 16.43.55 # :) 16.44.03 # Sorry, I must have missed your response. Ah, ok, I hoped you could try out a build with the patch. ANyway thanks for the hint. 16.44.40 # I have a new build ready now, but my H300 is at home, so no testing, so no uploading before tomorrow. 16.45.08 # I could sent you a working .cue file... just gotta change the relative path to the mp3 and the time markers 16.46.02 # Ah, why not, yes send it to me. How? 16.46.53 # email^^ 16.47.14 # or wait 16.47.15 # good, preining@logic.at, thanks. 16.47.19 # is rockbox getting .cue support? 16.47.33 # or via file transfer in the irc, is this working? 16.47.49 # norbu - It works if both of you registered your nicknames. 16.48.22 # PaulPosition: Umpf, aehm, not a big guy in irc. How do I check this? 16.48.51 # topbloke: see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/6460 and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=CuesheetSupport 16.49.03 # norbu - I don't know what client you're using... 16.49.49 # norbu: But it goes bit like messaging some bot with your name and the password you wish to use.. 16.49.51 # PaulPosition: gaim (2.0.0 or so) on linux 16.50.40 # norbu: then just re-messaging it once you log back in. Does gaim give you the 'traffic' window, with freenode's MotD and other informations when you log on? Tht's where you find name of the bot. 16.50.56 # Normally yes. 16.50.59 # u do like /nickserv register pass email 16.51.56 # topbloke: thanks, it was close to this, but nickserv answered me what to do. 16.52.07 # emailed^^ 16.52.22 # Angry: thanks 16.52.40 # nick norbusan 16.52.43 Nick norbu is now known as norbusan (n=norbert@dhcp03.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 16.54.36 Quit norbusan ("Leaving.") 16.55.10 Part redwood 16.55.18 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 16.56.11 # it maybe email pass 16.56.14 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbert@dhcp03.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 16.56.18 # i do always get that wrong 16.56.34 # Back, thanks, seem to work. 16.57.21 Part norbusan 16.57.32 Quit PaulJam (".") 16.57.47 Join norbusan [0] (n=norbert@dhcp03.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 16.58.08 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4e6c3ba171d42315) 16.58.14 # Hmm 16.58.30 # topbloke: nickserv tells me: (notice) If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 16.58.49 # oh 16.58.53 # so you have a pass 16.59.03 # but i entered my password in the gaim chat dialog, so it should be there. 16.59.46 # topbloke: after msg the nickserv ... ah anyway, this is not the place to discuss this. Thanks anyway. 17.00.41 # norbusan: freenode.net also has a nice description of the registration stuff 17.04.08 Quit habana ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.04.24 # is there a way to find out if a mp3 was encoded with lame`? 17.04.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.04.40 Nick norbusan is now known as norbusan_ (n=norbert@dhcp03.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 17.04.59 # i guess that any even remotely recent LAME version adds some metadata that identifies the encoder version 17.07.26 Nick norbusan_ is now known as norbusan (n=norbert@dhcp03.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 17.07.59 Nick norbusan is now known as norbusan_ (n=norbert@dhcp03.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 17.08.26 Part Angry 17.09.08 Quit topbloke ("bye") 17.09.08 Nick norbusan_ is now known as norbusan (n=norbert@dhcp03.algebra.tuwien.ac.at) 17.16.15 # linuxstb: what do you think about this: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/usb_debug.patch 17.16.28 # it adds a usb debug screen 17.20.41 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 17.23.34 # nls_web: i tried your updated patch, but line edit mode doesn't seem to be working yet:( 17.24.16 # muesli__: Yes, lame adds a special 'lame tag' that indicates the exact version and some other things 17.24.44 # A tool for figuring out the encoder used to produce an mp3 file is encspot, http://www.guerillasoft.co.uk/encspot/index.html 17.24.58 # kewl, im gonna check it 17.24.59 # thx 17.25.02 # Not open source, but freeware 17.26.10 # [B]I just managed to playback video with sound on my h300 @ 25fps[/B] [FONT=really really small]with a 112x80 video :P[FONT] 17.31.50 # nls_web: actually, it is working. i must have been still using the first patch 17.32.21 # * bluebrother notices the deprecated font tag :o 17.32.43 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 17.33.18 # whooops... :) 17.33.54 # FhG (fastenc or mp3enc) doesnst sound like lame :-/ 17.34.14 # barrywardell: Does it show anything interesting? 17.34.26 # * bluebrother leaves 17.37.14 # Does setting the dircache stack size higher affects anything in a negative way? 17.37.32 Part webmind 17.37.46 # Genre9mp3: It uses a little more RAM... Did that fix your dircache stkov errors? 17.38.38 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p5493380E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.39.17 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.39.29 # linuxstb: Yes, it did 17.39.44 # at least it seems to be so far 17.39.47 # linuxstb: some things. it shows whether the port is in low power suspend, if interrupts are enabled,... 17.39.58 # Genre9mp3: Can you go into the debug menu, and go to "view os stacks"? What is displayed for dircache? 17.40.15 # And what did you increase the stack to? 17.41.51 # barrywardell: And is it in a low-power mode? 17.42.19 # it is on the h10 anyway 17.42.24 # I increased it from 0x800 to 0x1000 (didn't actually test 0x900) and now it says B 8 dircache: 61% 17.44.02 # You mean you changed the "+ 0x800" to "+0x1000" ? 17.44.16 # yes 17.45.37 # the weird thing is that before, I didn't _always_ get PANIC stkov, it was just happening sometimes 17.45.42 # Maybe people soon buy rockbox-usable (read not DRMed) music from majors? - http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=ousiv&storyid=2007-01-02T095330Z_01_N02295773_RTRUKOC_0_US-DIGITAL.xml&from=business 17.46.12 # You mean buy a CD? 17.46.31 # Genre9mp3, I've had that happen twice now too 17.46.34 # linuxstb - That's the other possibility, right. 17.47.24 # (I found it interresting that the majors are now trying to "kill" iTunes and they'd remove DRM if it's what it takes to pull the carpet from under apple's feets) 17.47.59 # But sorry for veering quite offtopic-ish. 17.48.02 Join Moos [0] (i=51400b8c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0a20b283129f94b6) 17.48.03 # puetzk: Other people at MR reported this, too 17.48.40 # Genre9mp3: You nearly doubled (!) stack size with your change 17.48.41 # Hi there, and happy holydays, happy new year.... ! 17.48.49 # 0x1000 == 2 * 0x800 17.49.31 # amiconn: ouch, what you would suggest I do? 17.49.32 # DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE == 0x400, so the dircache stack was 3KB before, and now you have 5KB 17.50.04 # But if you observe 61% usage now, that means 3KB was only a tiny bit too small 17.50.27 Join Jungti1234 [0] (i=7c3c0846@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-12bb6a38f46c711f) 17.50.32 # hi 17.50.41 # hello 17.50.54 # I'd try 3.5KB (or maybe 4KB), i.e. DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + 0xA00 or DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + 0xC00 17.51.16 # Moos, long time no see :) 17.51.21 # why not hardcode the size instead of depending on DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE having the value it currently has? 17.51.27 Quit PaulPosition () 17.51.34 # Hmm, good question 17.51.39 # I was wondering that as well recently... 17.51.43 # Jungti123: hehe, right, happy new year... :) 17.51.49 # Genre9mp3: I've had a dircache stkov last week too 17.51.58 # gotta go now... 17.52.01 # Many threads do it that way... 17.52.02 # amiconn: oh.... I should start thinking in hex more often :) 17.52.03 Quit petur ("later") 17.52.05 # petur; just yesterday here :( 17.52.11 # amiconn: most 17.52.12 # oops 17.52.17 # but i don't see the point 17.52.20 # But probably only becuase the first one did... 17.52.39 # and subsequent developers copy and paste... 17.53.45 # don't exist test video for h300? 17.54.13 # http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ 17.54.23 # yes, I know 17.54.31 # but.. which file? 17.55.06 # 224x176? 17.55.15 # 224x176 (4:3 aspect ratio) or 224x128 (16:9). 17.55.24 # ah, thenks 17.55.28 # thanks 17.55.29 # linuxstb: Will there be widescreen versions for iPod video and nano and the X5 as well? 17.55.32 # But they are 24fps, so won't play in realtime. 17.55.47 # ok 17.55.50 # amiconn: Yes, I'll do them all again. I'm just waiting for Bagder... 17.56.00 # * amiconn pings Bagder 17.56.28 # linuxstb: you use mencoder you said? 17.56.33 # amiconn: If there's one you want in particular, I'll upload it to my webspace. 17.57.33 # Genre9mp3: I used mpeg2enc for the Elephants Dream encodes. But I've used mencoder for other videos. 17.57.37 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody|SWAT4 (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 17.58.26 # I should try this mpeg2enc, it seems that it produces less heavy mpgs 17.58.31 # linuxstb: Is there a special reason for the separate audio thread? 17.58.44 # (like better button handling, buffering etc) 17.59.25 # The practical reason is that it needs a bigger stack than the main thread.... 17.59.41 # Really? 17.59.54 # I thought the main thread is the one with the biggest stack... 17.59.58 # 8KB 17.59.59 # Yes, codec thread is bigger than the main stack... 18.00.18 # * linuxstb double-checks... 18.00.41 # Codec stack is 0x2400 bytes. 18.00.59 # 9KB 18.01.07 # hmm 18.01.10 # And libmad overflows the main stack... 18.02.18 # I haven't put that much thought into the various threads in mpegplayer, or how they should communicate with each other yet, so everything is subject to change. 18.02.20 # Hmm. You put a big buffer on the main stack in plugin_start() 18.02.35 # Yes, to use the otherwise unused IRAM... 18.03.01 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.04.01 # Moos: yep, happy new year :) 18.04.26 # bye everybody 18.04.50 Quit Jungti1234 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.06.01 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 18.11.15 # linuxstb: An X5 widescreen version (160x96) would be interesting for me 18.11.27 # OK. 18.12.15 # Video with audio works now on X5, but video skips like mad 18.12.34 # Can't tell whether video and audio stay synchronous or not 18.12.45 # What FPS do you get if you disable the limit fps and frameskip? 18.13.23 # There's no attempt at a/v sync yet, but error should stay more or less constant... 18.13.54 # fps vary a lot across elephantsdream 18.14.53 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.15.51 # Starts at about 17.5, goes beyound 18.0, decreases to around 17.0 18.16.18 # (fullscreen version on X5) 18.16.45 # More complex parts can make it go below 16.0 18.16.45 Join bluebrother [0] (i=Syb86aoM@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 18.19.38 # On H300 a fullscreen version starts at around 10 fps ... 18.20.23 # ends up at 10.9fps here 18.21.18 # At least it seems that audio decoding doesn't cause such a dramatic drop in framerate as it does on ipod (without dual core operation) 18.21.59 # My webspace became full, but here is the first 28MB or so of the 160x96 version: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-160x96-212kbps.mpg 18.22.33 # You can take down the 160x128 version if you haven't already done so 18.22.48 # I could even put some versions on my webspace temporarily 18.23.27 # I still need bagder to transfer them, so if you could move the 160x128 to your space, I can delete it. 18.23.59 Join Angry [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-153-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.24.18 Quit Gon2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.24.41 # I'm now re-uploading the 128x96 version, seems my server doesn't support resume... 18.24.48 # I mean 160x96 18.25.05 # And I've deleted 160x128 18.25.57 # ETA about 8 minutes... 18.25.58 # Gah, firefox hung completely :/ 18.27.28 # By the way for the iriver H10 its 128x70 but thats not really important 18.28.29 # Angry: You can't really create an 128x70 mpg file... mpeg uses 16x16 blocks 18.28.40 # Yep 18.28.48 # eg. it can be 128x80 18.28.55 # ups i meant 128x96 18.29.11 # ^^ 18.32.56 # Checked now my settings: 4:3 ->128x96, 16:9 -> 128x80 18.34.41 # amiconn: 160x96 is now fully uploaded - 31803392 bytes. 18.38.47 Part norbusan 18.39.46 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 18.44.53 Quit blue_lizard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.45.14 Join blue_lizard [0] (n=blue_liz@p54985389.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.48.36 # Gah, my provider is having problems 18.49.09 # It looks like the daily builds of the manual haven't been updated since December 22. 18.49.18 # http status 503 18.49.21 # maybe I could host it (for a while) 18.50.18 # amiconn: It's downloading OK for me. 18.50.32 # _my_ provider 18.50.39 # I wanted to upload the files there 18.51.06 # Ah, I thought you meant your ISP, meaning you couldn't download... 18.51.42 Join lamed [0] (i=59006aa8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-06c14c0f2809660e) 18.52.25 # I already downloaded it, and it's playing fine 18.53.01 # Starts at around 21 fps on X5, top value is even slightly above 24 fps, but also goes down below 20fps later 18.53.25 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.55.52 # Ok, uploading now, but it will take quite a while 19.00.26 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 19.00.43 # hey guys, is there any differences between a normal usb cable and the usbotg h340 cable? I'm using the original player's usb <> computer cable connected to female <> female usb adapter connected to a supported camera usb cable... and it's not working, the camera won't go into usb mode. (fw version 1.29K) 19.01.25 # The usbotg cable has a special mini-AB connector 19.02.03 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-093-075.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.02.03 # Plugging a standard mini-B plug into the socket won't switch the iriver into host mode afaiu 19.02.04 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590fa462.pool.einsundeins.de) 19.02.16 # hello 19.02.33 Join bluebrother [0] (i=sWV2mfMr@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.04.04 # is someone aboard, who can explain how to install the bootloader? 19.04.23 # Wiwie, the manual can explain it :) 19.04.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.04.47 # in the manual the section "installation boot loader" is empty, isn't it? 19.05.21 # not for me. But that depends on the manual ... which device you are referring to? 19.05.44 # amiconn: do you think they weired the usb cable differently? the original cable fits in both connectors (what seems to be) perfectly! 19.05.44 # i see, my device is a gigabeat f 19.05.55 # ah. 19.06.26 # lamed: The mini-AB socket is constructed in a way that allows to plug both a standard mini-B and a mini-AB plug 19.06.47 # the gigabeat manual is missing mostly everything ;-) 19.06.51 # lol 19.07.00 # I don't know how it works, you might want to ask in #gigabeat 19.07.11 # thanks for the info ;) 19.07.16 # the gigabeat manual has only brought up to a state where it can get build 19.07.29 # but the missing specific stuff hasn't been added yet. 19.07.40 # feel free to submit a patch for missing stuff :) 19.07.56 # Not only that, but it appears that the builds of the manuals haven't been updated since 22 December. 19.08.21 # I guess this comes in line with the daily builds being broken currently 19.08.56 # the current manual is of second of january 19.09.05 # amiconn: are you uploading to download.rockbox.org ? 19.09.05 # oh no 19.09.21 # you're right :P 19.09.25 # * GodEater has access to a colo'd machine on a dual 300MB backbone to the 'net 19.09.32 # GodEater: No, as I don't have access to it 19.09.37 # ah ok 19.09.38 # nevermind then :) 19.10.16 # did you get a chance to look through that email at all ? 19.10.19 # oh the Ipod Mini manual just includes the "getting started" and "installation" chapter (at least the online version) 19.10.27 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@chello062178002170.1.11.univie.teleweb.at) 19.10.42 # there should be more devs with access to download.rockbox.org IMO 19.11.13 # * bluebrother checks building the mini manual 19.11.35 # yeah, it's broken. 19.11.39 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@165.80-202-111.nextgentel.com) 19.11.45 # and the html version of it is missing completely 19.12.00 # err... pdf 19.12.42 # tt amiconn, for the record, http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=1618 has some answers 19.12.48 # If it stops at the Installation chapter then it's possible (likely) that I broke it when updating the installation instructions. 19.17.12 # Indeed I did. 19.19.12 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53- You can be just like me - type: /quit =-") 19.19.57 # you did. Unfortunately this seems to be a bit more tricky than I first thought. 19.27.04 # linuxstb: (and others) I've now uploaded the X5 versions of elephants dream here: http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/mpeg/ 19.27.42 # I fixed it. 19.27.52 # Had to make a tiny index.html b/c the provider doesn't allow directory listings :/ 19.28.36 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m68.net195-132-206.noos.fr) 19.28.38 # Though if you have any suggestions for how to reflect the bootloader installation commands as \code without the blank lines caused by the \opt macros ... 19.29.04 # amiconn, how big are all the mpegs combined? I can chuck them on that colo of mine too if it'd help anyone ? 19.29.06 # I'm working on it. 19.29.22 # the problem is that there is an unbalanced environment 19.29.35 # i.e. the code environment gets closed from inside opt. 19.30.14 Join netmasta10bt [0] (n=torment@pool-71-243-248-45.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 19.30.57 # Well, I just removed that and substituted a note for mini 2g users to replace "1g" with "2g." 19.30.58 # * GodEater grabs them anyway 19.31.45 # also, you need to use optv when there is something with verb (which is used by code) inside. Otherwise it may break 19.31.53 # strange it only broke for the mini 19.33.05 # add comments signs at the end of an opt command to remove the added line breaks 19.33.35 # I got my ipod (5th gen.) with rockbox some months ago (maybe 3 or 4), there have been some power consumption enhancenments since then? 19.33.39 # I tried that and it didn't seem to work. 19.34.05 # GodEater: I have a few here waiting to be moved to download.rockbox.org as well: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpeg.html 19.34.40 # I dont like the idea that the battery life will be the half if I still use rockbox 19.34.51 Quit JoeXBorn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.34.56 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-37-227.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 19.35.33 # I need the the double of charging cycle to get the ibook on the same tiem 19.35.35 # time* 19.35.45 # ipod* 19.35.52 # urgh. Were the blank lines present before? 19.35.57 # bluebrother: yes. 19.36.35 # ok, then we need to do this a bit different. Unfortunately that makes it a bit less readable 19.36.37 # I guess one way to avoid it would to do something like this: \opt{ipodvideo}{\code{insertCodeHere}} 19.36.57 # whoops 19.37.03 # linuxstb: You can take down the 160x96 version. I could host a few more, but not too many 19.37.13 # This webspace is limited to 200MB 19.37.30 # Would need to \begin and \end code in each \opt. 19.37.30 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p548491B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.37.35 # Same as mine... With the ones already on download.rockbox.org, I don't think there are many left now. 19.38.09 # Widescreen for ipod video and h10-small 19.38.18 # 128x128 is really odd... 19.38.41 # how about just having one line with something like ipodpatcher and a not to replace that with the correct file name? 19.38.45 # Iirc the X5 version is also matching the h10-large lcd 19.39.12 # I'll encode a 128x96 (4:3 ratio) one now. 19.39.33 # That is the way linuxstb wrote the wiki page. It would certainly work. 19.39.47 # Widescreen would be between 128x80 and 128x64 19.40.33 # I thought it would be more user-friendly (i.e., idiot-proof) if the manual contained the verbatim command that the user has to type. 19.41.18 # Would a \bootloadername macro help? 19.41.42 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 19.42.06 # yeah, that's an idea. 19.42.21 # could be locally to ipod-installation.tex 19.42.45 # That makes sense. 19.43.58 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.43.59 Quit firenx (Remote closed the connection) 19.44.25 # Is the bootloader command case sensitive? 19.44.40 # barrywardell: The debug USB screen patch: Did you post it to share progress or did you want some sort of tested output on any specific targets? 19.44.40 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 19.44.43 # Depends on the filesystem... 19.44.57 # But the "-whatever" part is. 19.45.15 # Llorean: A bit of both. I posted it in case anyone would find it useful 19.45.22 # Ah. 19.45.41 # I wasn't sure if it was worth adding 4kb to the binary size by adding it to cvs 19.45.43 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965C33.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.46.03 # barrywardell: I bought an "ipod camera connector" (basically a dock->USB A socket) the other day, so I'll try it with that. 19.46.21 # ok, works fine. We only need an additional line for the mini 19.46.43 # btw, what's the difference between mini 1g and 2g to require a different bootloader? 19.46.44 # linuxstb: would be interesting to seem how much it does without a driver... 19.46.53 # barrywardell: Maybe make a USB test plugin, similar to testfps (i.e. in cvs, but not SOURCES). 19.47.28 # * Llorean has two PP502x targets so is looking forward to USB progress. 19.47.52 # A USB test plugin sounds good. 19.47.59 # * barrywardell agrees 19.48.01 # Or something in CVS but only in (D) builds. 19.48.28 # i'll start with one that just has that debug info 19.48.45 # * barrywardell starts looking at how to make a plugin 19.48.54 # bluebrother: The lcd hookup is different between mini G1 and G2 19.49.03 # barrywardell: helloworld.c is the place to start. 19.49.12 # ah. Thanks :) 19.49.14 # i'll look at that, thanks 19.50.59 # btw, we could also introduce a \download macro that expands to http://download.rockbox.org/ 19.51.54 # together with the \bootloaderfile the download list gets reduced to one line :) 19.52.39 # linuxstb, wow - your host is well plugged :) I'm getting 8Meg a second :) 19.52.50 # hahah - whole lot done in 18 seconds 19.53.09 # how the hell did mrh find out that the mx31 datasheet matched :> 19.53.33 # Luck guess? 19.53.58 # Black magic... 19.54.11 # GodEater: Nice... I'll have some more in about 20 minutes or so. 19.54.24 # I can leave them hosted there if people prefer 19.54.33 # and someone can just point the links to them on the rockbox site 19.54.52 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.55.48 # i'll go for amiconn's guess 19.55.53 # altogether more probable 19.57.35 # he found a datasheet and linux driver! 19.57.45 # and a datasheet that matched the dac 19.58.18 # GodEater: See what Bagder says. But I think download.rockbox.org has plenty of space and bandwidth. 19.59.04 # ok :) 19.59.15 # So no IPL devs have implemented USB yet? 20.01.21 # no. dan_a suggested trying the driver to them. dunno if anyone picked it up 20.01.26 Nick Everybody|SWAT4 is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 20.01.27 # Nice quote from forums.ilounge.com - "I'm starting to realize the whole video support will be worthless if they don't utilize AVI because that's mainly what I have in my video collection"... 20.01.49 Quit netmasta10bt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.02.18 # godeater.cream.org/rockbox/mpeg/ 20.02.24 # linuxstb: I saw that one. I assume an implied "For me" after the worthless, but still, yea 20.03.08 Quit barrywardell () 20.03.30 # But people will always complain, there are too many video formats out there... 20.03.44 # Febs, got to go now. Have a look here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/18 20.04.01 # does MrH have some sort of web site? Where are you guys reading this ? 20.04.04 # if there aren't any objections I'll submit this later 20.04.31 # GodEater: He exchanges brown envelopes with Bagder on park benches... 20.04.34 # linuxstb: "What, no 1080p output?" 20.04.36 # hahahaha 20.04.39 # LOL 20.04.45 # yeah... we only need to get about 50 video codecs working before 40% of the people will be happy :) 20.05.26 # Llorean, thanks for my badge :) 20.05.38 # linuxstb: That was an extra-classic quote! :) 20.06.21 # funny - but if it's even halfway true it's a sad state of affairs 20.06.42 # goffa, luckily you picked the right one for me :-) 20.06.53 # he he he... wasn't me that did it 20.07.01 # thanks linuxstb 20.07.10 # since mpeg2 PS is what mythtv and an ivtv card likes to produce 20.07.26 # has to be the most common 20.08.27 # codecs are such a mess :-P 20.08.30 # yep 20.08.40 # bad enough keeping the audio ones straight 20.10.04 # bluebrother: looks good to me. 20.10.23 # Has anyone tried the audio version of mpegplayer on the gigabeat without the limit FPS option? 20.10.40 # I'm curious how many FPS it can achieve with sound. 20.10.55 # linuxstb: I seem to recall hearing the number 55 floated, but I don't know if that's with or without sound. 20.10.57 # Should give us an idea if more processor-intensive codecs are feasible. 20.11.10 # That was the old number without sound IIRC. 20.11.48 # yes... it was 55 fps with an 320x144 video 20.11.52 # anyone care to tell me if they get a decent download rate of any of the files from here : http://godeater.cream.org/rockbox/mpeg/ 20.11.55 # ? 20.12.14 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.12.36 # just found it in the logs: " we had to disable some ARM assembly and now my 144x320 test movie runs at 55fps" 20.12.45 Join chromoXdor [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-088-073-245-008.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.13.04 # I'd say that was more than passable :) 20.14.21 # But that's without audio, and not full-screen... 20.16.48 # I would expect 33fps without sound fullscreen (320x240) 20.21.59 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 20.23.31 # linuxstb, I've got the latest two from your site too 20.25.51 Quit phrozen77 ("Some people say that I must be a horrible person, but that's not true. I have the heart of a young boy... in a jar... on my d) 20.26.23 Part chromoXdor 20.27.46 Join phrozen77 [0] (n=phrozen7@p5493073D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.30.33 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.31.20 Quit funky ("leaving") 20.32.04 # GodEater: You may have been too early for the second one - they should be 30140416 and 63582208 bytes. 20.32.08 # ls -l 20.32.11 # oops :) 20.32.20 # ah yes 20.32.27 # I was wondering why it was so small for such hi res 20.33.40 # that's more like it 20.34.02 # and I've turned on Options +Indexes so I don't need the damn html file and all the inherent risks of my fat fingers making typos now :) 20.34.46 # amiconn, if you provider runs Apache, you should be able to do the same - just drop "Options +Indexes" into a .htaccess file 20.34.51 # s/you/your 20.34.54 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.35.24 # GodEater: We can't see the filenames now though... 20.36.01 # erm - I'll see if I can fix that 20.36.02 # And you have a .mpg.1 file... 20.36.06 # gimme a sec tho - dinner just arrived 20.36.14 # they're there if you hover over them in the meantime 20.36.20 Join cynicalliberal [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-157-200.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 20.36.28 Join |Rincewind| [0] (i=TVKeB28F@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 20.37.23 Join Digamma [0] (n=Doug@bas2-kingston08-1167933121.dsl.bell.ca) 20.38.10 # Is there any sort of official manual for installing rockbox on a Sansa e200; or will I have to find a homebrew one...? 20.40.12 # the manual hasn't been adjusted for the sansa yet. 20.40.31 # but I guess it's similar to other non-ipod portalplayer devices 20.40.56 # Digamma. there is a guide on the forum.. its quite simple. but be careful..... 20.41.08 # not an "official" guide 20.41.22 # Can you possibly link me to it, I dont mind the non-official stuff 20.42.18 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg61275#msg61275 20.42.22 # in that topic 20.42.33 # its atleast on that page 20.42.43 # im running rockbox on my sansa 20.42.52 # but you know that there is no sound right 20.43.05 # I know 20.43.20 # I would like to be able to run Rockbox, and be able to dual boot 20.44.50 # Thank you very much Juice^ 20.47.44 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") 20.49.18 Join Olav_Salhus [0] (n=chatzill@84.211.250.34) 20.49.19 Nick Olav_Salhus is now known as Olav (n=chatzill@84.211.250.34) 20.49.22 # ok - the .1 file is gone 20.50.23 # Anybody here? 20.50.37 # Olav: nope 20.51.10 # I just wanna know if there is a RockBox firmware for Creative Zen MicroPhoto 20.51.21 # Olav: No, and no-one is working on it. 20.51.38 # Ok! 20.52.02 # Unless you are... 20.52.18 # No. Don't got the skills. 20.52.33 # GodEater: OK, thanks. 20.54.01 # linuxstb, file name widths are sorted now too 20.54.16 # I just gave myself a lightning refresher course in .htaccess files :) 20.54.21 # How did you fix it? 20.54.33 # (I'm sure I'll forget by the time i need it though...) 20.54.36 # IndexOptions NameWidth=* 20.54.50 # when you use * it automatically sets the name width to the longest filename 20.55.01 # although you can specify a hard value if you prefer 20.55.30 # if you encode any more give me a shout and I'll put them there too 20.56.28 # I think that's them all now. Unless I encode a 128x??? 16:9 version... 20.56.38 # for player X 20.56.52 # For the H10 5/6GB. 20.56.55 # 128x128 LCD. 20.56.57 # ah 20.57.33 # * GodEater is having to tolerate the weird noises from his g/f's shiny new Nintendo DS that's being played at full volume next to his left ear 20.58.39 Quit Olav ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 21.00.46 # Juice^, are you still there? 21.01.36 # Is there anyone here who can clarify something small with the Sansa e200 rockbox installation? 21.02.34 Join netmasta10bt [0] (n=torment@pool-72-64-144-124.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 21.04.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.05.21 # Never mind me; I just figured it out 21.06.26 Join topbloke [0] (i=top_blok@adsl-75-56-49-39.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 21.06.35 Join Paprica [0] (n=Paprica@rockbox/developer/paprica) 21.07.36 Quit topbloke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.07.59 Join ed_ [0] (n=ed@cpc1-rdng2-0-0-cust640.winn.cable.ntl.com) 21.08.21 # anyone got rockbox working on ipod nano 2nd gen? 21.08.34 # No 21.09.38 # :-( that makes me sad. anything i can do to help? 21.09.48 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 21.10.48 # Crack Apple's firmware encrytion, reverse-engineer the hardware... 21.11.00 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-093-075.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.11.05 Quit MarcoPolo (Client Quit) 21.11.20 Join tj2master [0] (n=a@85.97.103.91) 21.11.22 # ed_, or bribe someone at apple of break their NDA and give us the specs 21.11.28 # s/of/to 21.11.32 # linuxstb: is the encryption on the new nano the same as the encryption used in the firmware image for the 5.5g? 21.11.56 # the 5.5g firmware image isn't encrypted 21.12.02 # I don't know. 21.12.07 # not the osos 21.12.09 # GodEater, oh i see it's that sort of show stopper... is there anything i can do with the nano besides use the apple software? 21.12.15 # but I thought the other part is? 21.12.19 # the flash firmware 21.12.19 # the AUPD is 21.12.20 Part juxtap 21.12.21 # ed_; Sell it? 21.12.32 # but we wouldn't know if it's the same encryption or not 21.12.38 # the aupd encryption is broken? 21.12.40 # ah ok 21.12.43 # all we can see if gobeldigook 21.13.05 # I just played around with the osos in ida pro last night 21.13.07 # ;P 21.13.13 # if we could see a pattern of similarity then we'd be hafway to cracking it 21.13.17 # lots of references to encryption blobs and keys;P 21.13.20 # mhm 21.13.25 # lord my typing sucks 21.13.33 # damn laptop keyboards 21.13.45 # I mish my natural 4000 keyboard too;P 21.13.47 # ouch 21.13.48 # miss 21.14.10 # I going home soon just because my laptop is driving me crazy;P 21.14.13 # I'm* 21.15.09 # do we know if the ipod updates flash the aupd as it is 21.15.15 # or does it decrypt it first? 21.15.29 # I imagine it decrypts it first 21.15.32 # in other words, is the data on the flash chip encrypted or not 21.15.41 # it could be decrypted at runtime 21.16.01 # it could - but then there'd have to be a bit of the boot routine which is never updated 21.16.04 # to hold the decryption routine 21.16.07 # yep 21.16.53 # I'm not sure how that helps us though 21.16.56 # if indeed it does 21.16.57 # On the ipods before the 2nd gen Nano, the flash contents isn't encrypted. We can dump it from Rockbox. 21.17.11 # that's what I thought 21.17.26 # if the encryption is the same 21.17.39 # it should be possible to reverse the algo from the osos flashing routine 21.17.56 # however, that is a big if;P 21.18.02 # * goffa had a ms 4k.. but ended up getting a logitech wireless ergo when i got the new monitor 21.18.14 # so i have the option of sitting in the recliner 21.18.19 # goffa: why?, the 4k rocks 21.18.19 # ah 21.18.20 # thegeek, good luck with that :) 21.18.24 # hehehehe 21.18.36 # I dont even have a nano 21.18.54 # 4k rocks.. but cord doesn't reach to the recliner :) 21.19.07 # well if the forums are to be believed you have plenty of victi^H^H^H^H^H volunteers to test your decryption with 21.19.13 # hehehehehe 21.19.22 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 21.19.46 # sure, I'll be know as the guy that bricked all the nano's ;P 21.19.47 # so you don't need to own one 21.19.50 # hehe 21.20.02 # but meh 21.20.09 # hey - none of those people said they wanted their nano's to work again afterwards 21.20.17 # ;P 21.20.22 # I even looked to check :) 21.20.36 # "brick" may be the wrong word. I thought this was "rock" box? 21.20.54 # a rock that does not rock is a brick 21.21.00 # Haveing already installed Rockbox, and it works. How do I upgrade to the latest CVS version...? 21.21.13 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.21.28 # look at the shape of the player.. that's where the name brick comes from 21.21.44 # kinda like a crappy computer is a boat anchor 21.21.47 # hosed cd is a coaster 21.21.48 # etc 21.22.09 # goffa, sure, sure. But I don't want to build a wall of nanos - too thin. They'd be better for skipping on a pond 21.22.10 # I've never seen a boat anchor in the shape of a PC 21.22.21 # well there you go.. skipping stone :) 21.23.02 # * puetzk tries to figure out why his keymap hacking doesn't work 21.24.14 # there was an update to keymap about a month back 21.24.19 # dunno if that has anything to do with it 21.24.27 # trying to make it so pushing select while holding up/down does pageup/pagedown on an x5, but it persists in going to the context menu instead. 21.24.34 # but i used to swap play and the navi button 21.24.44 # As this is my first attempt to hack the code, I am assuming it's still my fault :-) 21.24.47 # x5 remote is touchy 21.24.51 # not remote 21.24.56 # blah 21.24.59 # retarded fingers 21.25.02 # joystick 21.25.21 # don't think that has anything to do with this laptop kb :P 21.25.45 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.26.07 Part Angry 21.26.19 # ah, hadn't considered that it might be the sensor not doing what I want rather than the code 21.26.25 # but quite possible 21.26.29 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@87.14.206.3) 21.26.52 # * puetzk tries a different button combo to rule that out 21.27.18 # yeah.. try 2 side buttons for testing purposes 21.27.41 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp48-62.adsl.forthnet.gr) 21.29.08 # prolly drop the whole idea if that's the cause though. Pushing down to say "scroll faster" seemed really ergonomic 21.29.15 # puetzk: The X5 cannot detect 2 of the standard buttons at once 21.29.17 # nope, doesn't work using play either 21.29.30 # ah.. there you have it 21.29.36 # indeed 21.29.57 # you can increase scroll speed 21.29.57 # The only button that is independent of the other 7 is the Power slider 21.35.43 Quit bluey- ("This computer has gone to sleep") 21.37.11 # I would like to thank any of the developers who took paty in making this awesome OS for my Mp3 player; I would like to thank you for the hours put into the dev process and the time spent for the sansa port, thank you VERY much 21.39.38 Join _Margot_ [0] (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.39.52 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.56.22 Quit Margot_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.00.21 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.00.58 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.04.00 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 22.04.01 # nearly 28.6 22.04.07 # oops 22.04.48 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-237-202-95.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 22.07.03 # tj2master: I asked the question here (unlimited FPS on gigabeat) earlier, so it's helpful.... 22.07.29 # :) ok 22.08.13 # Seems even the gigabeat might struggle with more complex video codecs then... 22.08.41 # Although I don't think much (if any) optimisation has been done yet. 22.09.29 # nope, no optimissation has been done 22.10.03 # can .avi be playable in the future 22.10.20 # .avi can be anything... 22.10.28 # tj2master, with what inside? MPEG4? 22.10.28 # It's just a generic container format. 22.10.51 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 22.11.22 # sorry,i mean mpeg4 22.11.51 # Someone needs to port an mpeg4 codec before we can say. 22.12.04 Quit GodEater (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 22.12.22 # playable on what? 22.12.40 Nick _Margot_ is now known as Margot_ (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.12.42 Nick Margot_ is now known as _Margot_ (n=margot@LSt-Amand-152-33-25-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.13.08 # on rockbox 22.13.33 # but what hardware? 22.13.41 # gigabeat 22.14.12 # I think so 22.14.35 # the processor looks like it would be fast enough 22.14.57 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.37 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.15.39 # yes but does anyone work on mpeg4 codec.there is a work about that? 22.16.06 # I intend to port mpeg4 just as soon as audio is working on my sansa 22.16.34 # it shouldn't be difficult to port it 22.16.57 # Which decoder? 22.17.15 # ffmpeg probably 22.21.14 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 22.21.25 Join [-BF42-W]Hyperbi [0] (n=infoweba@p54BE6443.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.21.30 # <[-BF42-W]Hyperbi> Hi! 22.21.52 # <[-BF42-W]Hyperbi> i doesnt understand the new Bootloader 4 IPOD 22.22.17 # <[-BF42-W]Hyperbi> if i push the "MENU"KEY within the old bootloader the apple firmware starts too..! 22.22.26 # <[-BF42-W]Hyperbi> can u explain it to me? 22.23.21 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 22.24.22 # [-BF42-W]Hyperbi: I do not see what you want explained, please ask a complete question 22.25.17 # [-BF42-W]Hyperbi: are you trying to boot the Apple firmware using the new Rockbox bootloader? 22.25.34 # If so, turn on "hold" as the player boots. 22.25.39 # <[-BF42-W]Hyperbi> no ... 22.25.49 # <[-BF42-W]Hyperbi> is it now easyer? 22.26.02 Nick kclaf is now known as kclaf2K7 (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 22.26.36 Join Vyrus001 [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-69-231-44-192.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 22.26.39 # <[-BF42-W]Hyperbi> i think i have to update the bootloader and test it ... 22.26.58 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 22.27.28 # <[-BF42-W]Hyperbi> im a little bit afraid of it ... :/ (cause last times i alaway crashd my pod ^^) 22.29.36 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.29.45 Nick [-BF42-W]Hyperbi is now known as Hyperbit (n=infoweba@p54BE6443.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.29.59 Nick Hyperbit is now known as Hyperbit_01 (n=infoweba@p54BE6443.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.30.06 # howdy 22.31.41 # Hyperbit_01: well, if it works there is not much need to update it, but if you wish, yes it is easier now, just 2 commands if I remember 22.32.22 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.34.51 Join chromoXdor [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-088-073-245-008.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.35.12 # i think i need a clean ipod without rockbox to update to new bootloader? 22.35.43 # i doubt it 22.36.19 # ? 22.37.01 Quit Digamma ("Leaving") 22.37.04 # tsuyoshi: interesting.. i'd love love you if you made the ffmpeg decoder work on the sansa after its having sound and all :):) 22.37.37 # sansa is more difficult though 22.38.05 # I think in order to get a decent framerate we need both processors decoding 22.38.47 # its dualcore? 22.39.09 # or two different 22.39.15 # dual yeah 22.39.22 # kool 22.39.26 # i dont know too much about its hardware 22.39.39 # Hyperbit_01, I don't think so, but you do need to update rockbox and the bootloader at the same time 22.40.06 Part chromoXdor 22.40.32 # tsuyoshi: i will do my best for adding wps themes for the sansa :) 22.40.57 # Juice^: http://www.portalplayer.com/products/documents/5024_Brief_Mar05.pdf 22.41.02 # that's what the sansa has 22.41.13 # hmm hmm i cant find the applie firmware on apple.com 22.41.33 # i think its the batter way with a new clean ipod firmware 22.41.47 # you're going to overwrite it anyway 22.41.52 # so you don't really care do you ? 22.42.21 # What kind of ipod do you have, and what is installed on it already? 22.42.46 # tsuyoshi, ok so its the cpu and the cop (arm7s) 22.43.45 Quit JoeyBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.43.55 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 22.44.35 # tsuyoshi: I don't think decoding on two cores will help - decoding on one core, and doing the yuv2rgb conversion, audio decoding and everything else on the other core should keep them both busy. 22.44.50 # I mean video decoding. 22.45.03 # maybe 22.45.18 # that's still more complicated than a single processor though 22.45.34 # linuxstb: did you already start moving yuv2rgb on another core ? (does that mean that you'll need twice as many decoding buffers in IRAM ?) 22.45.59 # No, we just need to take care to flush the cache. 22.46.12 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.46.35 # And no, I haven't started yet. That will come after the basic mpegplayer features are working (rebuffering, a/v sync, probably seeking). 22.46.46 # k 22.47.36 # * amiconn_ thinks an asm optimised lcd_yuv_blit() for arm would already help quite a bit 22.47.49 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.47.50 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.48.01 # Indeed. 22.48.12 # But at the moment, I'm sure the main CPU is idle for a lot of the time... 22.48.19 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.48.20 # (on PP targets) 22.48.35 # I don't think that it's such a lot 22.48.52 # libmad doesn't seem to be nearly as efficient on arm as it is on coldfire 22.50.52 # * linuxstb pings Bagder again 22.51.37 Quit Hyperbit_01 () 22.53.12 # * Bagder arrives 22.53.37 # that was fast ;) 22.53.45 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 22.54.24 # Welcome. 22.54.42 # :-) 22.55.01 # GodEater is currently hosting some more videos for download.rockbox.org - http://godeater.cream.org/rockbox/mpeg/ 22.55.11 # He said he was happy to keep them there if you wanted. 22.55.51 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.56.25 Join Angry [0] (n=Miranda@dslb-084-056-153-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.57.08 # well, I think it makes sense to have one place that have all the sample mpegs 22.57.39 # or more than one place... 22.57.50 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.58.56 # Yes, we could have two links to each file in the mpegplayer wiki page. 22.59.25 # yeps 23.00.03 # I've considered offering download.rockbox.org via rsync to better allow mirrors of it 23.00.36 # Are there any plans for www.rockbox.org? New server, new CPU? 23.00.38 # how much bandwidth do the rockbox downloads take ? 23.01.04 # dionoea: I think we're on like 200GB/month or so 23.01.29 # linuxstb: new server with dual opterons coming up within a few weeks 23.01.30 # ok. In case you need a mirror, feel free to ask 23.01.37 # Bagder, I'm missing some cvs notifications. Is there something known to be broken with that? 23.01.54 # Bagder: Nice. Will it be on the same connection? 23.01.56 # bluebrother: yeah, sendmail was acting funny earlier 23.02.11 # ok, thanks. 23.02.14 # linuxstb: yes 23.02.24 # * bagawk spits at sendmail 23.02.40 # but when we move to svn we'll release some bandwidth from the www server 23.03.00 # like 20 MB ? :) 23.03.07 # is there a date planned for the svn move? 23.03.12 Part tj2master 23.03.15 # we have quite intense cvs traffic 23.03.21 # and viewcvs 23.03.36 # bluebrother: I think we're aiming for next week still 23.03.51 # nice. 23.04.15 # there's increased bandwidth for the www server planned too 23.04.32 # but that might still be several months away 23.04.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.04.46 # what do you have ATM ? 100 Mbits/sec ? 23.04.47 # What server will be doing the builds? Will that be the svn server or www.rockbox.org? 23.05.07 # linuxstb: I'll move those to the svn server 23.05.43 # dionoea: the download one has one or more 100mbit, and the www one has 2mbit ;-) 23.05.52 # ouch :p 23.06.19 # so you're going to have 3 servers dedicated to rockbox ?!? or do they host other stuff too ? 23.06.39 # they host a lot of other stuff too 23.06.51 # curl ? 23.07.10 # curl is one of the other projects/sites, yes 23.07.27 # but the main curl web site is on yet another server... 23.07.33 # hehe 23.08.42 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 23.09.00 Quit spiorf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.12.38 # linuxstb: those 6 mpegs are now on download as well 23.12.47 # Thanks. 23.13.22 # Bagder, when I changed the download link in the manual for ipodpatcher I wondered why they aren't collected in a folder 23.13.25 # * Bagder used the documentary "the making of the elephants dream" as a test stream on his work-DTB thing 23.13.56 # bluebrother: just my sloppy copying, I could change it if you think it helps 23.14.04 # like /bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/ 23.14.37 # I just linked to /bootloader/ipod/ and trusted the users to find the correct subfolder. 23.14.40 # The filenames are the same for different binaries... 23.14.55 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 23.15.06 # Ah, you mean ipodpatcher//ipodpatcher[.exe] ... 23.15.07 # Experienced users shouldn't haven any problems with that, but maybe the non-experienced pc users? 23.15.22 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.15.38 # yes, currently I would need to write a different url for each host target. 23.15.46 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.15.55 # I want the users to think a _tiny_ bit ;-) 23.15.57 Nick JoeXBorn is now known as JoeyBorn (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 23.16.20 # speaking of URLs, I now hopefully have made "static" URLs for daily builds 23.16.27 # for targets, fonts and source 23.16.37 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 23.16.41 # bluebrother: I think we need an ipodpatcher wiki page, so you could just link to that. 23.16.55 # (describing the more advanced things ipodpatcher can do). 23.17.00 # nice. 23.17.10 Join trypt0 [0] (n=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 23.17.24 # I'm afraid to explain how I messed up ;-) 23.17.36 # "cd build-dir; rm -rf *" 23.17.46 # but the build dir didn't exist... 23.17.52 # Ouch... 23.17.55 # hmm. I think it's better to link to some download server (but maybe additionally mention the wiki page) 23.18.31 # hehe, I did this once when I started working with linux. In the root folder as I wanted to remove the installation but forgot my DOS partition was mounted ... 23.19.00 # * amiconn also had to learn the advantage of using && instead of ; in the *nix shell 23.19.20 # yeah, but I simplied my error somewhat 23.19.28 # still had that effect 23.19.38 # wham, no more daily builds... 23.20.00 # and with holidays and stuff it was faster to rewrite than to wait for the guys that could bring back the backup tapes 23.20.17 # who needs dailies? We have cvs builds ;-) 23.20.33 # the dailies offload the www server :-) 23.20.40 Join BobJonkma1 [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 23.25.21 # Has anyone seen claims that there is an audible hiss that exists in the Apple firmware that is eliminated by Rockbox? 23.26.37 # Febs: There's an audible hiss in the Apple firmware, but as far as I'm aware it's there in Rockbox as well, and I can only hear it on my CX300s. 23.27.08 Quit jhMikeS (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.27.08 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 23.27.08 Quit softi-42 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.27.08 Quit pabs (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.27.08 Quit argonel (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.27.08 Quit bun-bun (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.27.08 Quit linuxboy (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.27.11 # Febs: Am I missing it, or is there no mention of FAT32 in the ipod install instructions any more? 23.27.14 Join Hyperbit_01 [0] (n=infoweba@p54BE6443.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.27.36 # new bootloader @ ipod works great 23.27.44 # Llorean: here's an example: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2598790 23.27.47 # thanks @ team 23.28.11 Part Angry 23.28.12 # linuxstb: I'd have to check, but my feeling is that you're probably right. 23.28.24 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 23.28.24 NJoin jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.28.24 NJoin softi-42 [0] (n=softi@p549D75C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.28.24 NJoin pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 23.28.24 NJoin bun-bun [0] (n=bun@unaffiliated/bun-bun) 23.28.24 NJoin argonel [0] (i=beezle@konversation/developer/argonel) 23.28.24 NJoin linuxboy [0] (n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net) 23.28.40 # maybe not using the coprocessor helps? 23.28.53 # if it's a power supply thing that's not inconceivable 23.28.57 # I'm trying to remember if we had a reference to FAT32 in the manual before. It was probably in the OSX-specific instructions, which no longer exist. 23.29.07 # Febs: Then I should apologise to the person on the forum.... 23.29.40 # And I should add something about FAT32, probably in the "Prerequisites" section. 23.29.50 # Febs: i still hear a hiss in rockbox, but the hiss is much louder in apple firmware 23.29.58 # Febs: What audio format did you use to create the listening test? 23.30.20 # .wav 23.30.45 # And I think that I ran the RMAA test with MP3s as well. 23.30.59 # Febs: Try it with MP3. If I recall, MP3s do have a louder hiss in the Apple firmware, now that I think of it (still only heard with one set of earphones I own though), but it's been a very very long time since I listened with that specific combination. 23.31.25 # Febs: this wasnt playing anything...just on the tree 23.31.49 # I can't hear it at all with any other method of listening than that single pair of headphones though, so it's probably a factor of resistance or something. 23.32.20 Join _pill [0] (i=pill@sloth.shellfx.net) 23.33.29 # In re-reading my thread on the issue, I see that I used the iPod line-out for the test. Perhaps there is a hiss issue with low impedance headphones through the headphone out. 23.33.45 Quit bun-bun (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.33.45 Quit softi-42 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.33.45 Quit jhMikeS (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.33.45 Quit argonel (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.33.45 Quit pabs (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.33.45 Quit linuxboy (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.33.45 # But why would the hiss be less in Rockbox than in the Apple firmware? 23.34.07 NJoin jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.34.07 NJoin softi-42 [0] (n=softi@p549D75C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.34.07 NJoin pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 23.34.07 NJoin bun-bun [0] (n=bun@unaffiliated/bun-bun) 23.34.07 NJoin argonel [0] (i=beezle@konversation/developer/argonel) 23.34.07 NJoin linuxboy [0] (n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net) 23.34.08 # Febs, well, the poor battery life definitely shows rockbox is doing different things with power management :-) 23.34.56 # could be the voltage regulation is better under more load, or the one of the chips has a noisy ground when in powersave, or who knows 23.35.25 # with that hiss in apple firmware, i cant see listening to it without using my attenuator 23.37.20 # kinda like the macbook power supply whine when the cores switch on and off. The "fix" was to power up the iSight, which wasn't really doing anything but sucking power :-) 23.38.24 Quit BobJonkman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.38.24 # Question : Will You Include the USB Connection Button Patch to any next Builds? 23.38.58 # markun: you have a gigabeat bootloader around to put on download.rockbox.org with the other ones? 23.39.08 Quit nls_web ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.39.49 # Hyperbit_01: You mean the patch that makes it *not* go into USB mode when it's supposed to, but rather when you hold down a button? 23.39.56 Part lavish 23.40.16 # yes 23.40.19 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 23.41.07 # Out of curiosity, don't you think they would've just had it work that way in the first place if they'd wanted it to? 23.41.08 # for me i think thats the better way ... mybe it can be an option in rockboxconfigs? 23.41.34 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 23.42.02 # An option, such as "On USB insert:" with the choices being "Charge" and "Connect" (or "Disk Mode") is probably more likely to have a chance. 23.42.19 # ^^ 23.42.31 # i think so too :) 23.42.31 # Especially if it were made in such a way that would work on other targets with USB charging as well. 23.42.40 # But you should perhaps suggest that to the patch author. 23.42.51 Quit BobJonkma1 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.42.52 # on my way ... :) 23.43.00 Join phrontist [0] (n=Owner@pool-71-126-128-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 23.43.15 # I want to charge my iPod over USB 23.43.20 Quit bun-bun (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.43.20 Quit softi-42 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.43.20 Quit jhMikeS (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.43.20 Quit argonel (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.43.20 Quit pabs (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.43.20 Quit linuxboy (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.43.22 # while still playing music 23.43.36 # but when I plug it in, it goes into file-transfer mode 23.43.43 NJoin jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.43.43 NJoin softi-42 [0] (n=softi@p549D75C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.43.43 NJoin pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 23.43.43 NJoin bun-bun [0] (n=bun@unaffiliated/bun-bun) 23.43.43 NJoin argonel [0] (i=beezle@konversation/developer/argonel) 23.43.43 NJoin linuxboy [0] (n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net) 23.43.58 # phrontist: Hold Menu down while plugging it in, as per the directions. 23.43.58 # how can I override this? 23.44.46 # LOL .. use the patch we talk about few seconds ago :D^^ 23.45.14 # hyperbit: I just logged on, and the menu thing should work for me, but out of curiosity, what patch? 23.50.20 Join Lyle_ca [0] (n=lyle@S01060014bff97d91.ed.shawcable.net) 23.51.55 Quit debauched_sloth ("Leaving.") 23.53.29 # Llorean: thanks, that works 23.54.25 Join JoeXBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-3-37-227.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 23.56.24 Quit bun-bun (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.56.24 Quit softi-42 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.56.24 Quit jhMikeS (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.56.24 Quit argonel (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.56.24 Quit pabs (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.56.24 Quit linuxboy (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.56.48 NJoin jhMikeS [0] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.56.48 NJoin softi-42 [0] (n=softi@p549D75C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.56.48 NJoin pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 23.56.48 NJoin bun-bun [0] (n=bun@unaffiliated/bun-bun) 23.56.48 NJoin argonel [0] (i=beezle@konversation/developer/argonel) 23.56.48 NJoin linuxboy [0] (n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net)