--- Log for 09.01.107 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 18 hours ago 00.02.05 Join hen3rz [0] (n=hen3rz@203-206-38-184.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.05.36 # * amiconn wonders whether the vmware image has svn installed 00.05.45 # I wouldn't think so 00.05.57 # "apt-get install subversion" 00.06.38 Join redwood [0] (n=penovich@castor.rfa.org) 00.06.59 # Bagder: Anything buildserver admins need to do, apart from make sure svn is installed? 00.07.00 # * amiconn installs subversion on his build server 00.07.23 # * amiconn prefers gui apps like synaptic 00.07.26 # linuxstb_: I'll provide a description once we have a repo up 00.07.29 # * bluebrother notices the time 00.07.52 # linuxstb: it would probably be a matter of doing a checkout and moving the repo somehow 00.08.01 Quit x1jmp ("Konversation terminated!") 00.08.41 # Bagder: when i tried to have the bitmap in the ring buffer i got playback problems 00.09.19 # and those problems aren't fixable? 00.09.31 # i don't know the playback engine well enough 00.10.37 # maybe i'll try looking into that again... it was quite some time ago, when i started to work on the patch. since then i've learned a lot about how rockbox works 00.10.48 # amiconn: it doesnt 00.11.21 # \o/ 00.11.30 # also another possibility i thought about was to use buffer_alloc at startup, combined with a setting allowing to disable album art 00.12.45 # Nico_P: There are also a few more people around nowadays who have worked on the playback code, so if you attempted that approach again, you might get more help. 00.13.03 # ok 00.13.50 # maybe i could store cuesheets there too 00.13.56 # http://www.willas-array.com/fbi/product/AMS/Product_Presentation/PORTABLE%20AUDIO_SBU%20COM.pdf 00.13.58 # page 7 00.14.01 # interesting... 00.14.53 # linuxstb_: who would i need to talk to to get some advice ? 00.14.59 # woah. svn. 00.15.06 # * lostlogic is slow 00.16.07 # Nico_P: storing only one album art means you need to spin up the disk for every song. no fun. 00.17.00 # Zagor: actually i was thinking of storing a bit more than that... and that's what is done currently but they are in the WPS image buffer ;) 00.17.48 Quit jba ("CGI:IRC") 00.17.58 # Nico_P: Just ask here, and see who answers. 00.18.30 # :) 00.18.33 # But both lowlight and lostlogic (I think) have expressed a desire to work on metadata-on-buffer. 00.19.26 # 'desire' 00.19.31 # I wrote a patch once... that kinda sorta worked 00.19.51 # Nico_P: I think it's still on the wiki... if you want to read it and see what my approach was 00.20.03 # i'll have a look 00.21.09 # didn't jhMikeS also work on the playback engine ? 00.21.26 # yeah, more recently 00.21.28 # as well as pondlife 00.21.48 # have you followed the changes they made ? 00.21.49 # lostlogic: btw, are you aware that your build server produces warnings that the others don't? see the yellow-spotted build table. 00.22.24 # Bagder: That's... odd. I was thinking of asking them for an AS3514 datasheet to see if I got a different response. The AS3515 is the one that's billed as being designed to interface with PortalPlayer chips. 00.22.37 # Zagor: yeah, I'm aware, but haven't found a way to solve it yet -- tried to set the path for the build script, but it didn't listen, so it's still using the system GCC instead of the one that it should 00.24.28 # ok 00.25.59 # something is wrong here... /: 00.28.22 Quit ender` (" Thats right, babe, Cochrane chortled. Were not possessors, were just like dimensionally disadvantaged. -- Peter F. Ha") 00.28.36 Quit matsl (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.29.11 Join Soap_ [0] (n=Soap@160.sub-70-200-134.myvzw.com) 00.29.57 # are mp3s floating point based? 00.29.59 Quit grai (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.30.01 Nick Soap_ is now known as SoapIsOutOfTown (n=Soap@160.sub-70-200-134.myvzw.com) 00.32.55 Quit Febs (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.33.05 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.33.36 Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6e0d1943a9b7e85e) 00.37.43 Quit mirak (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.38.21 Quit fasmaie () 00.38.31 Quit bun-bun () 00.38.34 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@dialup-4.250.135.41.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net) 00.38.40 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.39.14 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohannmi@cpe-71-72-99-25.columbus.res.rr.com) 00.39.53 Quit DarkPlay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.41.45 Join SoapIsOutOfTown_ [0] (n=Soap@64.sub-70-200-179.myvzw.com) 00.41.46 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.42.05 Quit SoapIsOutOfTown_ (Client Quit) 00.43.37 Join stevenm [0] (n=stevenm@c-69-140-104-181.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 00.45.28 # Hello. This morning I found a nasty little MIDI bug causing memory corruption, but I see CVS was just disabled. Will the SVN accounts have to be re-made, or will new passwords be mailed out, or what? 00.45.34 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.45.37 # * Bagder checks out from the svn repo... 00.45.49 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 00.45.49 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.46.08 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.46.34 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.47.30 # Bagder: How's it? 00.47.32 # is it nice? 00.47.48 # it works 00.47.56 # :-) 00.48.24 # * Lars_G tries to think of a way to move his cvs checked out dir to a svn version 00.49.46 # Make a diff of the cvs working copy against cvs, check out a new copy from svn and then patch 00.49.54 # Binary files need to be moved manually 00.51.42 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=root@unaffiliated/terinjokes) 00.51.50 # hey, can anyone read these? 00.52.28 # Terinjokes: read what? 00.53.58 # dan_a: anything i type 00.54.11 # Yes :) 00.54.17 Join bun-bun [0] (n=bun@71-92-214-26.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) 00.55.00 # Terinjokes: you are fading out a bit now...move a bit to your left 00.55.16 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.56.18 Join nicklepede [0] (n=awheeler@71.216.122.62) 00.56.39 Join SoapIsOutOfTown_ [0] (n=Soap@57.sub-70-200-142.myvzw.com) 00.57.01 # Is there a howto on the rockbox page on how to use SVN? 00.57.32 Quit SoapIsOutOfTown (Nick collision from services.) 00.57.37 Nick SoapIsOutOfTown_ is now known as SoapIsOutOfTown (n=Soap@57.sub-70-200-142.myvzw.com) 00.57.46 # stevenm: Not yet, afaik 00.58.12 # dan_a, do you know how to obtain an SVN account, if you had a CVS account? 00.58.42 # dan_a, i'm trying to install gentoo and my network isn't working (i have to unplug/plug my ethernet every 30 secs) 00.59.00 # stevenm: I'm pretty sure that Bagder will send out passwords 00.59.08 Part nicklepede 00.59.09 Quit Terinjokes (Remote closed the connection) 00.59.15 # dan_a, aah ok. Thank you 01.01.24 # if you feel like walking the edge => "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" 01.01.43 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 01.02.56 # * dan_a walks the edge 01.03.29 # I notice the first directory to get transferred is CVSROOT... 01.03.45 # uhm 01.04.26 # lol 01.04.33 # yeah, we should move that away 01.05.07 # 11953 revisions 01.05.15 # *11954 01.05.20 # * linuxstb_ notices a huge speed difference 01.05.30 # hehe 01.06.06 # Bagder: That'd be a read-only checkout, right? 01.06.44 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.08.31 # yes 01.08.48 # but I think you can commit from it later on when you get user/passwd 01.09.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.09.09 # I need to sleep now 01.09.23 Join Random_Transit [0] (n=ryan@CPE00119556e2d8-CM0012c9a9ac1c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.09.27 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 01.09.38 # quick question...can rockbox play video? 01.09.47 # technically, but just video. 01.09.51 # quick response. Just a little 01.09.57 # Why is my SVN "apps" directory 60MB, and the CVS version 30MB? 01.10.13 # Random_Transit: See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. 01.10.25 Join carini [0] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 01.10.30 # zylche: mpegplayer now plays audio. 01.10.34 # linuxstb: because svn has the repo twice sort of 01.10.35 # It does? 01.10.44 # to enable local diffs etc 01.11.05 # btw, here's the golden place for svn docs => http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/index.html 01.11.11 # Why can't it just diff against the repository? 01.11.29 # to allow better offline work and to be able to send diffs on commit 01.11.44 Join dantheman [0] (n=danielma@134.178.20.94) 01.11.48 Join _hcs [0] (n=hcs@dialup-4.250.0.221.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net) 01.11.48 Quit hcs (Nick collision from services.) 01.11.53 Nick _hcs is now known as hcs (n=hcs@dialup-4.250.0.221.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net) 01.12.25 # * Bagder goes to bed 01.12.26 # Bagder: What are you using? svn, svn+ssh, http? 01.12.33 # ah he went to bed 01.12.37 # svn only at the moment 01.12.41 # ok 01.12.47 # we'll add http too later. 01.12.52 # ok, did I miss something? I only see the source archive for download on the CVS page... 01.13.18 # Alonea: we're moving to svn, but it's not ready yet 01.13.22 # I'm not hot for http but I like svn+ssh for commits not that I can commit 01.13.30 # what is svn? 01.13.34 # subversion 01.13.40 # an alternative to cvs 01.14.06 # have noooo idea what that is...i never really even knew what cvs stood for. Well, as long as something is happening I am ok. 01.14.18 # Alonea: now I see what you were asking. :-) 01.14.46 # yes, the page is blank due to the move. 01.15.12 # ^^;;; Its like, I have some ideas of things, but I don't know everything. Is it a new type of server thing (or something similar) for updating source changes? 01.15.33 # Alonea: yes, it's a new better revision control system. to keep track of changes to the source code. 01.16.27 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.17.19 # oh, ok. I kinda get what you mean. I used to have a control system thing when I did sites, but of a completely different sort. (it was a fanfic archive) So I guess it will make things easier for you guys? 01.18.40 # that's the plan :-) 01.19.28 Join webguest53 [0] (i=8102c9a5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4da46e9521b620f9) 01.20.12 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 01.20.28 Quit webguest53 (Client Quit) 01.20.41 # sounds like a good plan. When do you think it will be up? 01.20.55 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-33.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 01.21.50 # it's up already, in a limited fashion. we'll adapt the rest the coming days. 01.22.04 Join bonbonthejon [0] (n=jon@69.61.203.3) 01.22.25 Join goatmale [0] (n=goatmale@d47-69-6-221.try.wideopenwest.com) 01.23.17 # hello 01.23.24 Quit kubiix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.23.30 # oh, okies. Well, I usually check every couple days and get the new CVS (er, now it would be svn) and see what progress has been made. 01.25.00 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.25.01 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 01.25.15 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 01.25.26 # goatmale: you're here to entice me 01.25.29 # shoo 01.26.37 Join rkostynu [0] (i=chatzill@wnpgmb06dc1-189-133.dynamic.mts.net) 01.31.31 Quit SoapIsOutOfTown (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.34.48 Quit toffe ("MegaIRC v3.27 http://ironfist.at.tut.by") 01.35.40 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 01.39.37 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 01.44.58 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.47.20 # entice? 01.47.22 # entice what 01.47.42 Quit stevenm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.47.56 # I'd say but I'd be banned 01.48.38 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.48.59 # :( 01.49.05 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.49.07 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.50.59 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.51.45 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.52.00 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.52.09 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.53.11 Join tamacracker [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 01.54.04 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.54.09 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.54.11 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.59.55 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 02.00.34 Quit tamacracker (Nick collision from services.) 02.00.48 Join tamacracker__ [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 02.03.50 # ok, rockbox does not like my wmas... 02.03.54 Join _hcs [0] (n=hcs@dialup-4.250.36.85.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net) 02.03.54 Quit hcs (Nick collision from services.) 02.03.59 Nick _hcs is now known as hcs (n=hcs@dialup-4.250.36.85.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net) 02.06.17 # ahoy 02.07.16 # "Added fade to car adapter mode pause" 02.07.20 # that's configurable right? 02.08.04 # on most of them it either skips over the file or says "No File!" yet the file plays fine on my computer. there is no copy protection or drm 02.08.28 # vbr? 02.08.39 # using any "weird" settings? 02.08.42 # Alonea: rockbox doesn't support wma (yet) 02.09.01 # eh? i thought it did :P 02.09.05 # oh well 02.09.20 # no, no wierd settings..and i thought wma was supported. its on the list of supported formats 02.09.27 # and some of the wmas play. just not all 02.09.44 # are you sure? 02.10.42 # lemme double check real quick 02.12.28 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.12.52 # AFAIK someone started porting the codec and submitted a patch to the tracker - but I thought it wasn't usable yet (not 100% sure though as I don't even own a swcodec target :D ) 02.12.54 # bah. can't find the list 02.13.37 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 02.13.39 # well, I have my rockbox set to show supported formats only and wmas are still listed 02.13.40 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.14.01 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohannmi@cpe-71-72-99-25.columbus.res.rr.com) 02.15.08 Quit fasmaie (Client Quit) 02.17.25 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.17.48 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97821.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.18.12 # well, its just as easy to convert to mp3. bought this nice program a couple years ago that has a nice conversion process 02.20.13 # steinburg myMp3 pro. even converts to ogg which some pc games use (Unreal Tournament) and then you can put in custom music. Anyway. wmas tend to be devil incarnate anyway. *grumbles* 02.20.49 # all of my music is ogg 02.21.08 # Nimdae: does rockbox handle ogg fast enough 02.21.41 # rockbox handles ogg just like anything else that handles ogg 02.22.22 Join audioengineer [0] (n=malcolm@222-155-11-20.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 02.22.43 # it just brings ogg to a wider variety of platforms 02.22.43 # yeah, but doesnt the player use a chip for mp3, I'm afraid ogg will go too slow since the processor needs to handle it 02.23.05 # eh, the whole mp3 decoder chip is a myth 02.23.15 # lol 02.23.21 # Nimdae: not on the Archos ;) 02.23.28 # except on the archos 02.23.42 # but i'm sure the cpu on the older archos is too slow for mp3 ;) 02.24.14 # in any case, my ipod plays oggs about as well as it plays mp3s 02.24.29 Quit hcs () 02.25.22 # 12 mHz 02.25.24 # someo f the podcasts i listen to are in mp3, so i do have a comparison 02.26.09 Join debauched_sloth [0] (n=debauche@69-84-119-095-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) 02.26.24 # hiya sloth 02.26.42 # i think rockbox needs a good podcast manager 02.26.43 # hiya 02.26.49 # my oggs run fine. of course the gigabeat has a nice cpu. my rockboy games play well. sound is good along with everything else 02.28.10 # scorche: the patch that adds the fade to car mode pause...that's configurable right? 02.28.14 # debauched_sloth: do you know how the charging of the battery is controlled in the gb? 02.28.21 # because i would have to disable it 02.28.24 # is it sw or hw 02.28.44 # I think it is HW, but have not looked at that - gotthardt might know 02.28.45 # Nimdae: no idea...ask the patch author 02.29.10 # that requires doing something :( 02.29.52 # i'll just browse the code 02.30.21 # because I have noticed that since I have been on rb - If i put my player on charge while powered off, then unplug it then plug it back in, it will say that the battery is fully charged 02.31.04 # looks like a simple code change, and it is configured with the global fade on stop, it appears 02.31.42 # audioengineer: we still haven't spent a lot of time figuring out the battery readings 02.32.01 # my RB says 5:37 remaining, for example, but will run for about 14hours 02.32.17 # it's top of the list, after more serious bugs 02.32.20 # yes I get that too 02.32.42 Quit pixelma (" night") 02.33.07 Quit muesli- ("ich will Khe!!!") 02.33.32 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.34.45 Quit audioengineer (Remote closed the connection) 02.34.57 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 02.35.01 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.35.05 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-146-239.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 02.35.43 # The only thing I find complicated on the RockBox 02.35.58 # is saving the equalizer settings. 02.36.02 # or the presets i should say. 02.40.26 # the eq should get a general souping up one da 02.40.26 # y 02.49.22 Quit rkostynu ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 02.49.36 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 02.51.02 Part redwood 02.53.04 Join jba [0] (i=cb30655b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fa4e91769418aa09) 02.53.14 # hey debauched_sloth, about your lcd_enable() patch 02.53.26 # ever thought of clearing the screen before freezing updates? 02.53.44 # I was getting a residual image on my screen and thought the power off wasn't working 02.53.57 # also the lcd display powers back on again much faster than the original toshy firmware 02.55.25 Join scubacoles [0] (n=scoles@eth4699.sa.adsl.internode.on.net) 02.55.28 # jba: it should fade down before clearing, so you should see nothing 02.55.38 # powers back on faster? interesting 02.56.05 # lol @ toshy 02.56.09 # I like it 02.56.53 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 02.57.23 # I guess it's appropriate to post this here.. My Symbian phone has support for WMA via an app called WMAPlus!, it's based on the opensource OggPlay. 02.58.15 # I'm pretty sure it just adds a codec and slightly alters the menu structure of OggPlay 02.58.46 # Is the reason rockbox doesn't support wma due to licensing? 03.01.45 # The reason is that nobody's finished converting an open-source WMA codec to fixed point, and put it in our codec architecture. 03.01.53 # jba: didn't expect to see you here...Happy New Year 03.02.14 # To paraphrase something once said, "Getting WMA on Rockbox would take someone working on it with a clue, and those with a clue generally just use better formats." 03.02.23 # Or something like that. 03.02.24 # hehehe 03.02.27 # hehe 03.02.36 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4984 03.02.43 # thats about as close as it gets 03.02.49 # Anyway, someone was working on WMA, but never really released much in the way as code. 03.02.59 Join bozukarob [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-11-168-195.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net) 03.03.02 Join thewire [0] (n=thewire@weirdwire.ru) 03.03.15 # his house burnt down 03.03.40 # does rockbox work the way ipod linux does when you hold down play/pause for ipod firmware then next/ffw for linux 03.04.06 # if not is there any way to do this? 03.04.14 # Personally it's not an issue, I stick to mp3, or now that rockbox is running on the gigabeat, ogg but for others it's a huge issue 03.04.20 # bozukarob: You're going to have to be a little more clear on what you're asking. 03.05.21 # are you familiar with ipodlinux? 03.05.33 # This is #Rockbox, I've booted iPodLinux exactly once. 03.06.01 # Are you asking a question about the Rockbox bootloader? 03.06.06 # yes 03.06.12 # let me rephrase my question 03.06.28 # Holding Menu starts the Apple OS, holding Play/Pause starts Linux, holding nothing and it goes straight to Rockbox. 03.06.33 # yeah.. i don't have many wmas left 03.06.37 # i'd say none 03.06.51 # For Linux to start, a copy of .bin file has to be named Linux.bin, and exist in the root of the Fat32 partition. 03.06.53 # but there might be some hidden somewhere on my hd 03.07.05 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohannmi@cpe-71-72-99-25.columbus.res.rr.com) 03.07.10 # Holding Menu starts the Apple OS, holding Play/Pause starts Linux, holding nothing and it goes straight to Rockbox. 03.07.21 # is that w/o ipodlinux installed? 03.07.36 # How would you start iPodLinux without it installed? 03.07.48 # There must be an ext2/ext3 partition with the ipodlinux filesystem present. 03.07.59 # But the iPodLinux loader shouldn't be installed. 03.08.24 # okay i understand 03.08.28 # thanks 03.08.52 # hmm.. playlist seems to have hit a brick wall.. got to like 4500 quickly (like 1 min).. taken like 10 mins to get 78 tracks... 03.08.53 # scubacoles: thanks mate, same to you, cgi:irc is good when on lunch break 03.09.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.09.22 # debauched_sloth: yeah almostlike it initiates the screen on re-enabling it 03.09.27 # Ahhh, so you're now living in my old hell....CGI:IRC 03.09.28 # mayeb there is a deeper disable mode? 03.09.32 Quit bozukarob ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 03.09.38 # scubacoles: yeah dude, dems de breaks 03.10.06 # debauched_sloth: yeah so anyhow, it the backlight fades down yeah, but in the right light you can still see the screen 03.10.17 # anal I know, but i just thought I would point that out 03.10.35 # it's a much nicer shutdown when there are no resdiual lines of text on the screen 03.11.12 Quit Lars_G ("Leaving") 03.12.17 # they should go to off 03.12.28 # wait, you need the latest stuff gotthardt did for that 03.12.44 # I think he finally got the actual LCD off code in there 03.12.51 # yeah... 03.12.53 Join vadim_ [0] (n=vadim@ip70-181-141-86.sd.sd.cox.net) 03.12.54 # i think he did 03.13.13 # if it is off off, you should see nothing 03.13.21 # I can't see anything at max fade, either 03.14.13 # so.. is the code in there where it doesn't update wps while screen is off? 03.14.42 # yes 03.14.45 # sort of 03.14.47 # cool 03.15.03 # should be 03.15.39 # yes it is 03.15.56 # debauched_sloth: i got the cvs build with gotthardt's commits yeah 03.16.31 # but if you tilt the player beyond horizontal by about 5 Deg you should be able to still see the wps when backlight is faded out 03.17.00 # hmm. That should be tough 03.17.00 # goffa: yeah my backlight faded to off while scrolling next song title and the scroll stopped mid title 03.17.05 # I'll see what I can see there 03.17.13 # does it update? 03.17.23 # i use a bright green forground font on white background in wps 03.17.26 # made it easy to see 03.17.31 # debauched_sloth: no it doesn;t update at all 03.17.39 # which is why i thought it might be best to clear the screen before stopping updates 03.17.47 # jba: that's good 03.18.08 # jba: maybe... 03.18.15 # so i thought this should be the flow, fade out -> clear screen -> halt screen updates -> power off lcd 03.18.30 # just a suggestion 03.18.31 # right now it's everything there except clear screen 03.18.34 # in the mean time i got a meeting now 03.18.39 # ok, thanks! 03.18.51 # debauched_sloth: yeah I know, and I thought the clear screen would be trivial to add, no>? 03.19.20 # do you have wiki write access? we need to add saving bass/trebble settings to the todo for gigabeat 03.19.34 # trival, yes 03.19.37 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.19.49 # no, I have not updated the wiki, I'll take a look 03.19.54 # bbiab 03.23.01 Part debauched_sloth 03.23.56 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 03.24.05 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 03.24.06 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 03.26.45 # funny.. my sister just called "can you hack into myspace, someone posted something bad about a friend of mine" 03.29.01 # * Alonea shakes her head 03.29.37 Quit carini ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 03.30.39 Join fasmaie_ [0] (n=yohannmi@cpe-71-72-99-25.columbus.res.rr.com) 03.30.40 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.31.07 Join daven [0] (n=daven@145.175.adsl.brightview.com) 03.31.41 # evening 03.32.11 # evening to you too daven 03.33.05 # meh, am havign 03.33.42 # sorry, that should read "am having issues installing rockbox again after an 'accidental' update of ipod" 03.34.06 # daven: what kind of problms? 03.34.08 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.34.14 # problems 03.34.32 # however, I think there's something I have forgotten, and will try that before asking... 03.34.44 # ok 03.34.50 # all the best 03.36.09 Quit vadim_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.37.28 # hmm, nope, seems not to have worked. 03.38.10 Join gotthardt [0] (n=chatzill@c-71-56-149-94.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.38.12 # ok, right. The issue is that with ipodpatcher, I am getting the error 'Bad boot sector signature' 03.38.27 # The disk has been correctly unmounted 03.39.13 # What iPod do you have? 03.39.53 # mini 2g, am getting error while reading the boot partition 03.40.04 # What firmware are you using? 03.40.22 # as in Apple firmware? 03.40.27 # yes 03.40.32 # which version 03.40.46 # I just downgraded it back to something like 1.3 03.40.59 # (don't ask) 03.41.04 Join Jsunu [0] (n=Jsunu@d154-20-129-186.bchsia.telus.net) 03.41.15 # Did you try a restore and then a new install? 03.41.17 Part Random_Transit ("Leaving") 03.41.22 # yes, have tried this 03.41.27 # I can try again 03.41.53 # I'm not sure if the new iPodPatcher works with minis properly yet. 03.42.10 # People have reported trouble on the older iPods with the new ipodpatcher 03.42.45 # hmm, should I see if I can find an older ipodpatcher 03.43.07 # You might want to try the old ipod_fw 03.43.19 # and diskdump combo 03.44.05 Join trypt0_ [0] (i=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 03.44.07 Quit gotthardt ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 03.44.12 Quit trypt0 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.44.19 # * daven tries 03.49.17 # daven: try the installation procedure from the Old Information list in the iPod page 03.49.49 # thanks :) 03.56.49 Part Llorean 03.57.49 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.57.53 # lol.. fasmaie_ running into indecission.. wife wants x5.. husband wants gigabeat 03.58.23 # wife wears pants but is easily snowed :) so its an even race 03.58.34 # i vote giga 03.58.42 # Here's hoping 03.58.46 # whats wrong with the x5? 03.59.29 # What would you want for the iriver? 04.01.21 # Just in case? 04.01.45 # same 04.01.48 # Ok 04.01.53 # Good to know 04.02.14 # May work out....still have to see what the wife bought me 04.02.52 # yeah.. no obligation either way 04.04.24 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 04.05.34 # Thaks 04.05.39 # Thanks 04.06.51 # hmm. Oh dear. 04.07.05 # What's up Daven? 04.07.09 # Ipod is now rebooting uncontrollably 04.07.25 # Reset it 04.07.35 # * daven does that 04.07.43 # You do have it Fat32 formatted, right? 04.08.17 # well, one of the partitions ;) I think therein lay the mistake 04.08.49 # * daven was being careless with tab completion. oops. 04.18.24 # looking back on this.. it was a mistake not deleting the music directory on this gigabeat 04.18.30 # 30gb of .sat files 04.18.41 # i nuked all of the files.. now i have a ton of empty dirs 04.26.09 # there is a way to convert .sat back to mp3 04.27.13 # that is, if you wanted to convert them. i didnt have backups of everything i had on it. so it was a good thing for me 04.27.43 Part thewire 04.29.11 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 04.32.33 # well i deleted them 04.32.45 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@dialup-4.250.129.207.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net) 04.33.18 # because i didn't want to copy them 04.33.41 # cheers to the gigabeat port crew, it's working quite well 04.36.42 # ah. well, I basically wanted to keep my 10 gigs of music. i had to copy over and then copy back, but it was worth it to me 04.37.05 # yeah.. i didn't want to reencode 04.37.15 # the fun part is you dont even need a program to convert. 04.37.55 # there is a loophole in the firmware. Set it to connect to WMP 10 and load windows explorer. Goto gigabeat drive. if you look at files. they are .mp3 instead of .mp3.sat 04.38.26 # cool 04.38.53 # yup. read it on a forum. tried it. it worked. 04.39.19 Join Benzi [0] (n=ben@ool-182c51e1.dyn.optonline.net) 04.39.39 # so you just copy files to your hd, which takes a bit longer than normal. then delete files off of giga. and then put them back 04.39.47 # hey... can anyone quickly tell me why rockbox won't run in the 5.5g ipods? Is there a hardware difference that causes this? 04.40.03 # Benzi: It's only the 80gb 5.5Gs that don't work 04.40.19 # There is believed to be something different about the disk itself and its interface. 04.40.39 # oh... so it's the kind of thing that would be part of the kernel? 04.41.04 # As opposed to? 04.41.14 # I don't know...I'm a noob XD 04.41.41 # so for rockbox it's one huge kernel? 04.42.35 # I wouldn't say "huge" 04.42.35 # anyway, do you think there will be a port to ipod 5.5g 80gb any time soon? 04.42.53 # haha... I know, I meant huge in function 04.42.56 # But for Rockbox the kernel and application are for a good bit, the same thing. 04.43.17 # thanks 04.43.17 # Whether it happens on the 80gb depends entirely on how soon someone figures out *what* is different. 04.43.54 # anyone dual boot iaudio? 04.44.18 # hmm... I have faith in the community, although I'm too stupid to be able to contribute :( 04.44.19 Join rm [0] (i=irc@gateway/tor/x-9da0e24af4a5e56e) 04.44.27 Quit Benzi ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 04.46.56 # hello 04.48.06 # goatmale: If nobody answered your question, that's probably a "no" 04.48.24 # Seeing as dual boot on iAudio isn't an official feature yet, there are better places to ask about it anyway 04.49.03 # i was going to ask a different question 04.49.28 # Well, you're free to ask. 04.49.35 # which is where can I find patches like album art, is that not hosted on the rockbox site 04.49.51 # i downloaded a bunch of .weps and I can't seem to find the needed patches 04.50.00 # They're all in the Patch Tracker 04.50.18 # From the front page, click the link "Patches" on the left side of the screen 04.50.49 Quit scubacoles ("Leaving") 04.51.43 # are these all multi platform? 04.52.24 # not all 04.52.32 # it will say which targets they are for 04.55.04 # Llorean Seeing as dual boot on iAudio isn't an official feature yet, there are better places to ask about it anyway 04.55.11 # where would be a better place to ask? 04.55.41 # Well, the file itself is unofficial, so the person who provided it. 04.56.30 # Raenye said #rockbox 04.57.13 Quit hcs () 04.57.16 # He told you to ask in here for help with the dual boot feature? 04.59.31 # he said something along the lines that if you need with the feature to ask around #rockbox 04.59.43 # but he's not here so it doesn't matter. 05.00.23 # Well, as I said, it's not a supported feature. If you need help with it, contact him directly 05.00.28 # Maybe he simply meant that he could be found here. 05.02.05 # Maybe, I guess I was hoping there'd be someone here with an iaudio. 05.02.40 # Not everyone with iAudios uses the dual boot patch. 05.03.12 Quit secleinteer (Remote closed the connection) 05.09.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.10.00 # i have a quick opion based question 05.10.25 # how unstable is the daily build? 05.10.57 Join toulouse [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-153-131-47.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 05.11.32 # As opposed to what? 05.11.38 # I'd say it's pretty stable. 05.11.58 Join owh [0] (n=onno@59.154.24.148) 05.12.04 Quit toulouse (Remote closed the connection) 05.12.10 Part owh 05.12.43 Join toulouse [0] (n=evan@adsl-69-153-131-47.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 05.13.11 # hey guys, can rockbox be installed on an ipod mini that has both apples firmware and ipodlinux? 05.13.57 # Both the iPodLinux bootloader (the newer loader2 versions) and the Rockbox bootloader can load both Rockbox and iPodLinux 05.14.25 # so i take it as a yes? 05.14.42 # It depends on which version of the iPodLinux loader you're using. 05.14.55 # oh, hmm.. it's not quite the newest one 05.15.20 # If it's loader2 it should work, but it won't work with dual-core versions of Rockbox. 05.15.47 # ok, also is it easier to install with a mac or a linux computer? 05.16.28 Join lachlan1231 [0] (i=3a6ce792@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d6ec7c70c14d705f) 05.16.46 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 05.16.49 # Well, with a working loader2, you just need to extract rockbox.zip into the fat32 partition, and it should show up in your list of available OSes (you may need to edit the loader conf file, depending on a few things) 05.17.53 # We don't really provide support for getting loader2 working, since it's not our software. 05.18.30 Quit tamacracker__ (Remote closed the connection) 05.18.37 # oh, fat32<--- it was all done with a mac 05.18.51 # would the ipod have a fat32 partition? 05.18.51 Quit midgey () 05.19.39 # If yours is an HFS+ iPod, it won't work with Rockbox without some work. 05.19.45 # Rockbox only supports Fat32, so it has to be converted. 05.20.28 # Hey Llorean, I realise the topic may have already been discussed, but what is standing in the way of the chopper game (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5535) being commited into CVS (besides CVS being currently disabled) 05.21.24 # lachlan1231: BarryWardell is a core developer, I assume the fact that it doesn't seem to want to work properly with the menu API is part of it. 05.22.24 # lachlan1231: As well, it really doesn't support many of the Rockbox targets, does it? 05.22.57 # Plugins wanting to be included should include button mappings and screen sizes for all targets that can actually run them. This can be done by way of the simulators. 05.22.59 # I would imagine not, although I'm not particularly sure 05.23.09 # lachlan1231: I don't see button mappings for several of them in the .diff. 05.23.20 # SUCCESS! I am not dual booting 05.23.21 # So, there are several things that should be addressed before it's really considerable for inclusion. 05.23.25 # now** 05.23.28 # Is it a requirement of game plugins that they be workable on both colour and non colour targets? 05.24.00 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 05.24.10 # lachlan1231: What do you mean? 05.25.13 # If a plugin works on a grayscale target, it should be readily convertible to color. 05.25.37 Quit fasmaie_ () 05.25.52 # You said it doesn't "support many of the Rockbox targets". So, would that mean that if it were to be considered for inclusion it would have to be in a state where it can be played on both colour screen and non colour screen targets? 05.26.07 # Oh, ok, I didn't realise 05.26.16 Part toulouse ("Ex-Chat") 05.26.48 # If it's in color, of course, there may be limitations making it harder to work it into grayscale, but of course, the grayscale lib exists. 05.27.07 # I think its a shame it hasn't been commited so far, as the game requires basically one button to play, and as such is ideal for burning a couple of minutes on a DAP 05.27.08 # And I would assume "It just isn't playable without a color screen" could be seen as acceptable. 05.27.26 # lachlan1231: It's a shame that the plugin author hasn't bothered to make it work on all platforms. 05.27.40 # Too often people only have an interest in their own platform, and then forget about it. 05.28.40 # Indeed 05.29.39 Join CpuWhiz105 [0] (n=eric@cpe-66-87-222-218.co.sprintbbd.net) 05.30.01 Join tamacracker [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.30.35 # tamacracker 05.32.54 Part goatmale 05.38.11 Quit CpuWhiz (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.38.30 Quit trypt0_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.38.37 Quit hen3rz () 05.46.45 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.48.07 Join secleinteer [0] (n=scl@adsl-70-133-171-72.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 05.55.48 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.59.33 Quit rm () 06.00.15 # i guess I will check and see if the CVS page is back up tomorrow. Is the page going to be renamed? 06.01.25 # Alonea: I imagine so. I'm sure there will be an announcement when SVN builds have started. 06.02.07 # alrighty. good night and good luck on writing those codes for stuff! 06.02.24 Quit Alonea ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 06.04.53 Quit dantheman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.13.51 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.14.01 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.16.44 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.17.15 # he all 06.17.19 # hey even 06.21.35 Join Wikipedia-Gast [0] (i=JavaUser@p57B3529B.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.21.55 Quit Wikipedia-Gast (Client Quit) 06.22.07 # Llorean: what status was CVS/SVN left in? 06.23.27 # lostlogic: I probably don't know the answer to your question, but I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. 06.23.49 # CVS commits aren't possible any more, and transition to SVN is happening. 06.25.03 Quit tamacracker (Remote closed the connection) 06.25.04 # I was just curious if bagder mentioned the approximate run time of the script or anything 06.25.46 # Oh, not that I'd heard. 06.25.59 # I've been away most of the day. 06.26.04 # k 06.30.15 # lostlogic: i believe badger got it to the point where he could svn co from the server 06.30.22 # and then headed off to sleep 06.30.51 # grep today's log for badger's last entry and go back from there i guess 06.31.49 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.32.56 # ah, it'll probably be up and running when it becomes morning here in -0600. 06.33.01 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.36.27 Join vadim_ [0] (n=vadim@ip70-181-141-86.sd.sd.cox.net) 06.44.11 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B1610F.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.47.46 Quit lachlan1231 ("CGI:IRC") 06.51.45 Quit combrains (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 06.52.43 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.01.02 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.09.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.28.08 Quit jba ("CGI:IRC") 07.28.49 Join Alexinc [0] (n=Ajaxinc@71.237.170.237) 07.36.46 # where are all of the CVS builds? 07.37.02 # Just use a daily for now. 07.37.14 # Assuming they're still available. 07.37.17 # they are enjoying thier severance packages atm 07.37.25 # their 07.37.32 # 'tear 07.38.03 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 07.38.34 # there are no "latest daily builds" for the gigabeat f 07.41.24 # should be plenty 07.48.06 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.48.29 # Alexinc: So just use the most recent "Old" one? 07.48.40 # I meant, it's from *yesterday* 07.49.00 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 07.51.24 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp101-89.adsl.forthnet.gr) 07.52.01 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 07.57.24 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.02.21 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 08.04.54 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 08.05.57 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.09.16 Quit vadim_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.10.29 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.10.55 # does anyone know if parted can do non-destructive resize on ext3 partitions? 08.15.12 # as long as you do it correctly, yes 08.15.50 Quit JdGordon_ ("Konversation terminated!") 08.17.18 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.18.51 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.19.17 # Geez... It took me 4-6 hours to catch up on the logs... 08.19.28 # :( 08.19.33 # And now, I should be in bed. 08.20.29 # Mouser_X 08.20.34 # worked on that wps? 08.20.37 # Yes? 08.20.46 # how are you 08.20.49 # I haven't touched it since yesterday. 08.21.04 # I'm fine, but I have to get up to leave for work in about 5 hours. 08.21.28 # thats a bummer 08.21.41 # Indeed. 08.22.17 Quit kaaloo ("Leaving.") 08.22.49 # Actually, I forgot. It was probably 3-4 hours to read the logs. I had to do laundry (which I didn't finish) and other stuff. 08.23.15 Quit Alexinc () 08.24.03 # Do you know of an easy way to export the various parts of a PSD file? Like, my WPS mockup is done in layers, and it'd be easier if I could simply just dump all the layers to different pictures. 08.24.16 # Actually... There is a way to do that, but I don't remember how... 08.24.25 # It's talked about on Winamp's forums. 08.24.54 # (I did it once, in an attempt to make a "Modern" skin...) 08.25.19 # That being the case, I'm sure I still have all the stuff to do it... If only I knew what it was I was looking for... 08.25.38 Part Llorean 08.25.42 # i dont really understand the question 08.26.15 # Have you ever used layers in Photoshop? (I'm pretty sure it supports it. I know the format does) 08.26.39 # Like, one image contains multiple segments to it, which are one above the other. 08.27.03 # There's a background, and then other pieces are layered on top of it. 08.27.31 # yes im using photoshop for 10 years now 08.27.45 # now the question part :P 08.27.59 # Well, I was wondering if there's a way to save all those layers as separate files. 08.28.16 # Basically, extract each layer to its own file. 08.28.38 # Based on the name given to the layer. 08.28.55 # I've done it, so I know it can be done. I just don't remember how. 08.29.30 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.29.49 # oh yes sure 08.30.25 # file > scripts > export layers 08.30.54 # Thanks. Now to see if I can adapt that to Paintshop Pro.. 08.31.09 # (I don't have photoshop.) 08.32.04 # now that might be a problem 08.32.45 # Indeed. I think on Winamp's forums there's an external application that can do it. 08.33.07 # Like I said, I know I've done it, I just don't remember how... 08.33.32 # If worse comes to worse, I can do it all manually. 08.34.29 # there are some great skins for winamp classic 08.34.37 # Indeed. 08.34.40 # never really liked any modern skins 08.34.44 # Same. 08.34.53 # There's 2 I sometimes use though. 08.34.56 # but classic, still suprising me 08.35.18 # The Stargate SG-1 one, and a Sonic the Hedgehog (Green Hill Zone) one. 08.35.33 # would you mind linking? 08.35.36 # (I think the author removed the Sonic 1...) 08.35.37 # id love to take a look 08.36.11 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-167-33.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.36.16 # The Sonic one has a few bugs in it. They're not an issue though, if you know about them (and make sure to disable the buggy features). 08.36.56 # Stargate SG-1 skin: 08.36.57 # http://www.winamp.com/skins/details.php?id=147192 08.37.05 Join tychver [0] (n=tychver@202-154-146-239.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) 08.37.12 # (The preview pic does no justice, at all) 08.37.30 # I strongly suggest downloading it, to get a good look. 08.38.01 # getting 08.38.57 # wow thats crazyness 08.39.31 # ill give you some examples what i like: 08.39.37 # http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/26279189/ 08.39.50 # http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/31351808/ 08.40.24 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 08.40.28 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.40.33 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 08.40.35 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.40.41 # The skin is 5 MB. For it to be hosted on Winamp, they had to revamp/fix the backend of the site. Previously, the max size was 3 MB. 08.40.44 # I think that the SG-1 skin is still the largest one hosted on Winamp. 08.40.46 # Though, there is a 33 MB skin floating around, somewhere. 08.40.56 # http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/38112334/ 08.40.56 Join pondlife [0] (n=Miranda@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 08.41.01 Join Quazgaa [0] (i=quaz@m156.telcomplus.net) 08.41.15 # http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23598159/ 08.41.22 # There was a pretty great lain skin for winamp classic 08.41.27 # well, a great series of them 08.41.28 # Agreed. 08.41.34 # nerds 08.41.35 # I have a few like that. 08.41.45 # heh 08.41.51 # They may be by the same person, for all I know (the ones I have, and the ones you're linking) 08.41.54 # I love it when someone says "nerds" on IRC. 08.42.01 # Heh. 08.42.05 # I see your point 08.42.29 # uh 08.42.30 # Even moreso when it's a freenode channel devoted to an open-source firmware replacement etc. 08.42.33 # =] 08.42.34 # Oooh! I love Luigihann's skins. 08.42.36 # what skin design has to do with "nerds" 08.42.58 # Luigihann does an amazing job on skins. 08.43.00 # and nice points Overand hehe 08.43.28 # I think I have, and more or less use, everyone that he's made... 08.44.44 # it is precisely the inescapable fact that everyone on irc and furthermore a channel such as this is the living embodiment of "nerd" 08.44.50 # that makes the accusation just that much more powerful. 08.45.11 # like, damn. 08.45.13 # if someone on #rockbox calls you a nerd 08.45.17 # you need to check yourself 08.45.19 # with a quickness 08.46.34 # * Mouser_X has a belt with the overworld map from Zelda 1 on it... 08.46.47 # :P 08.46.49 # Link is, of course, on there as well. 08.47.00 # i used to have a zelda watch 08.47.18 # I'm just solidifying my nerdiness, I guess. 08.47.30 # needless to say my peers saw to it that i had a miserable and tormented childhood. 08.47.39 # heh 08.49.35 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.51.31 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.51.42 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 08.51.50 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.56.54 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.57.37 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.57.48 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 08.57.49 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.57.56 # I dunno about that. All my sane peers respect the Legend. 08.58.53 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 08.59.16 # perldiver: I PMed you, to avoid anymore off-topicness. 09.00.13 # BHSPitLappy: Well, I think it's great. 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Copied over the CVS version and that worked fine. 10.42.47 # This is under Cygwin. example error: ": command not found line 10:" 10.43.21 # and did the files actually differ? 10.43.27 # or was it a line ending problem? 10.44.52 # sounds like line termination to me 10.47.16 # yeah I think so too 10.48.02 # Nope, the files are different 10.48.32 # For example - my SVN copy has # $Id: configure 11947 2007-01-08 18:21:12Z miipekk $ 10.48.50 # But my CVS copy has # $Id: configure,v 1.249 2006-12-29 02:49:12 markun Exp $ 10.49.06 # then you didn't cvs update 10.49.16 # I did yesterday 10.49.36 # yday was jan 8th and slasheri committed changes to configure 10.49.43 # Aha 10.50.32 # OK, so looks like those changes have line ending problems? I'll do a dos2unix -U on my SVN copy 10.50.57 # Yep, that fixed it 10.51.04 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@vpnsh0096.fh-trier.de) 10.51.32 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 10.51.46 Quit CpuWhiz105 (Remote closed the connection) 10.51.46 Quit jangy (" Info~[v9.5]~ Released~[October 27, 2003]~") 10.51.47 Join Angry [0] (i=8d3e798e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-65e7312d6a9f1ece) 10.52.22 Join softi-42 [0] (n=softi@p549D6265.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.53.05 Quit Angry (Client Quit) 10.53.16 # i just checked out the svn repo with cygwin and i didn't have any line termination issues 10.53.25 # svn already up? 10.53.42 # bluebrother: not officially :-) 10.53.56 # ah, ok. Then I don't know of it :) 10.54.00 # shh 10.54.22 # it's unfortunate that you found out. now we have to kill you 10.54.29 # * pondlife dies 10.54.31 # * B4gder calls the hitmen 10.54.52 # * pondlife already died# 10.54.57 # too bad we have to waste the rockbox fund to hire hitmen 10.54.57 Quit softi_42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.55.06 # * pondlife donated some of that too 10.55.25 # * pondlife gets bored of being dead and resurrects 10.55.40 # * bluebrother goes checking if there is a svn package for his ooold box 10.55.45 # I started with a blank setup and did the proposed "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" 10.55.46 # * LinusN wishes hcl could do that too 10.55.50 # True 10.56.57 # If I delete configure and re-checkout, I get the errors again :( 10.57.34 # pondlife: it probably has something to do with your cygwin installation 10.57.54 # Indeed, but I'm not sure what. The same worked fine with CVS. 10.58.27 # pondlife: I tried the same as you, clean svn checkout and then configure and build, on cygwin. 10.58.33 # Working fine 10.58.46 # Just doing a binary compare of the files... 10.58.47 # are you both using the cygwin svn client? 10.58.57 # i am 10.59.24 # maybe you have cygwin configured differently, i seem to remember there was a setting during setup about line endings 10.59.25 # me too 10.59.30 # Mikachu: yes there is 10.59.31 # I think I am 11.00.10 # How do I get a version number or whatever? 11.00.34 # svn --version 11.01.49 # svn, version 1.3.1 (r19032) compiled Mar 30 2006, 02:41:28 11.02.31 # svn, version 1.4.2 (r22196) 11.02.31 # compiled Dec 2 2006, 14:28:55 11.02.40 # svn, version 1.4.2 (r22196) 11.02.40 # compiled Dec 2 2006, 14:28:55 11.02.48 # OK. looks like I need to run Cygwin setup again? 11.03.09 # Iirc pixelma said that the cygwin installer offers both svn 1.3 and 1.4 11.03.09 # worth a try 11.04.25 Join grai [0] (n=grai@ppp251-99.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net) 11.06.18 # LOL. subversion configure looks for apr and suggests to grab it using ... svn 11.08.48 # Great, that fixed it 11.08.53 # Thanks guys 11.09.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.09.52 # OK, so big fat warning for cygwin users: don't use svn 1.3.x, but svn 1.4.x 11.10.09 # Maybe that applies to other systems as well 11.10.15 # Pop it on the front page so non-IRC users know what's going on too. 11.11.00 Quit Wiwie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.11.05 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.11.38 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A810C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.12.12 # so to download svn in linux you just type apt-get install svn? 11.12.39 # only complaint with svn is the checkout takes up twice as much space 11.13.32 # the checkout is twice as big? How come? 11.13.36 Join grai_ [0] (n=grai@ppp251-99.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net) 11.13.49 # it stores all unmodified files in .svn/ 11.13.50 # bluebrother, svn keeps two copies so diffs don't need the server 11.14.06 # makes disconnected working a bit nicer 11.14.27 # i guess it makes the server a bit happier as well 11.14.51 Join hen3rz [0] (n=hen3rz@203-206-38-184.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.14.57 # xaviergr: apt-get install subversion 11.15.25 # ok let me try this in vmware 11.15.27 # having the full copy twice also enables commits to send diffs 11.15.36 # cvs always send the whole file on commit 11.16.14 # Good stuff - hopefully this means less worrying that someone else might lose work when I commit. 11.16.47 # Are commits diff-based by default? I'll have to read that page you posted earlier I guess... 11.17.08 # the commits are always diffs, yes 11.17.10 # ah. Would be nice for working when travelling 11.17.34 # but not the diffs you see with "svn diff" but binary ones 11.17.42 # B4gder: How does this work for binary files? 11.17.48 # the diff is binary 11.17.55 # ah 11.18.16 # * amiconn wonders how 'svn diff' handles binary files 11.18.25 # lets see 11.18.33 # you can mark them as binary 11.19.06 Join pixelma [0] (i=pixelma@82.193.235.34) 11.19.09 # which I'm not sure wheter they are now with the conversion 11.19.14 # Index: rockboxlogo.176x54x16.bmp 11.19.14 # =================================================================== 11.19.14 # Cannot display: file marked as a binary type. 11.19.14 DBUG Enqueued KICK Mikachu 11.19.14 # svn:mime-type = application/octet-stream 11.20.13 # What about keywords? 11.20.44 # ah, I see svn:keywords is already there 11.20.51 # there are quite a lot of source files marked +x 11.20.54 # try the svn book for a good tutorial, it is really fine and is online and everything 11.22.49 Join Zeraphe [0] (n=zeraphe@ip70-160-233-33.hr.hr.cox.net) 11.26.10 # so how do I anonymously checkout the source from rockbox with svn? 11.26.28 # svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox 11.26.49 # thanks 11.28.12 # I will try rockbox-devel instead though 11.28.42 # the last argument is what to call the dir locally 11.30.27 # ah 11.30.39 # hmm. So I could svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/something? Or only what the local dir will be named? 11.30.45 # i remember that with the cvs version rockbox didn't include the simulator 11.31.10 # or maybe it was in the path instead 11.31.15 # The checkout doesn't include the www/ module ... 11.31.15 # bluebrother: that's not the last argument :) 11.31.22 # aaah :D 11.31.27 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 11.31.27 # * bluebrother is dumb 11.31.39 # I already wondered how that should work 11.31.39 Quit grai_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.31.53 # but you can for example do svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/branches/foobar if there was such a branch 11.32.06 # 2007-01-08 23:52 bjst 11.32.06 # * [r11952] www, www: Splitting out www 11.32.33 # XavierGr: and gdb code 11.34.09 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 11.34.31 Quit grai (Nick collision from services.) 11.34.50 Join grai [0] (n=grai@ppp251-99.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net) 11.35.07 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 11.35.07 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.35.09 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.35.10 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.35.25 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 11.36.19 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 11.36.28 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) 11.37.42 Ctcp Ping on #rockbox from grai!n=grai@ppp251-99.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net 11.37.42 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 11.37.52 # huh 11.41.47 # it's been so long since my last checkout that I have forgotten how to compile rockbox 11.41.58 # * XavierGr goes back to read the wiki 11.42.14 # ouch 11.42.26 # cd rockbox; mkdir build; cd build; ../tools/configure; make && make fullzip 11.42.29 # or something like that 11.42.57 # yeah, now slowly all comes to mind bit by bit :P 11.43.19 # though I have to see my own aliases for these 11.47.13 # WOA 11.47.21 # new configure screen! 11.48.25 Join fsdfsfddfas [0] (n=hen3rz@203-206-38-184.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.49.24 # hey is rockbox set to reduce the backlight time when the battery is low? 11.49.50 # don't think its auto 11.49.54 # tho you could suggest it 11.50.11 # why don't you just have a short backlight time. 11.50.22 # well i ahve it set for 5 secconds 11.50.28 # i have it for 1 11.50.31 # and fade out for 2 11.50.47 # currently my battery level has about 27mins left 11.50.47 # then you're killing the battery on purpose, shortening your play time anyway. 11.50.50 # and its turning of instantly 11.50.55 # ah. 11.51.02 # I thought you were making a proposal. 11.51.05 # nah 11.51.15 # im trying to determine wether its a feature or a glitch 11.51.17 # that sounds really odd. 11.51.23 # I don't think it's a feature. 11.51.23 # i have seen the same behavior with my nano 11.51.28 # Could be wrong. 11.51.35 # im running it on a gigabeat 11.51.43 # i wonder 11.51.54 # ill see what happens after its fully charged 11.52.05 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 11.52.16 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2e0e438c31b656d0) 11.52.27 # although i do think it would be a pretty nice feature to include, any one else agree? 11.52.39 # not really 11.52.49 # why would you want to use more battery just because there's more left? 11.53.04 # he suggested 11.53.07 # amiconn - do you read the forums much / ever ? 11.53.08 # to shorten the backlight time 11.53.17 # when the battery is low 11.53.17 # thus saving power? 11.53.18 # it doesn't really matter if the timer is shorter during the first or last hour of usage 11.53.28 # shouldn't a lower backlight time use less power 11.53.32 # because its on for shorter 11.53.43 # yes, but why only when the battery is low? 11.53.44 # yes, of course, but why have it longer when you don't have a low battery? 11.53.47 # decayedcell, but why is it set longer, when the battery is high. 11.53.50 # i think i understand what mikachu is saying, the difference is negligable 11.53.58 # because the f guy wants it that way i dunno lol 11.54.07 # haha 11.54.13 # you're shortening your battery life MORE by setting it long to begin with, than you would save by doing that feature. 11.54.24 # so yeh 11.54.26 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 11.54.27 # the logical option 11.54.28 # it isnt just the gigabeats, as i said before 11.54.30 # that's a hard thought to communicate. 11.54.30 # would be to have it short 11.54.34 # in the first place 11.54.42 # GodEaterWeb: Not anymore, only when someone points me to a post or thread 11.54.47 # * Mikachu takes decayedcell's enter key 11.54.52 # well take a look at the 80GB port thread then 11.54.58 # * decayedcell oh noes 11.55.04 # The useful content / jabber ratio has become too low 11.55.12 # hmm it would save a little bit 11.55.17 # amiconn: very true - but this one might interest you :) 11.55.18 # i guess that was his main point 11.55.36 # but the power saving is not worthy of the effort into coding 11.55.43 # as er wats his name said 11.55.50 # amiconn: to save you hunting : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.15 11.55.51 # mikachu 11.55.58 # GodEaterWeb: are you talking about the funding ideas? 11.56.10 # * amiconn hates some aspects of ff 2.0 :/ 11.56.20 # so if this isnt a feature why is rockbox doing this? lol. 11.56.23 # yeah - I just want to make sure amiconn knows he's been volunteered and make sure he's either interested or not :) 11.56.39 # I know he's a busy chap 11.58.51 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 11.59.05 # \join #gigabeat 11.59.07 # damn 11.59.41 # * amiconn has no interest in permanently acquiring an ipod video 11.59.49 # \join #asslube 11.59.55 # lol 11.59.58 # I'd rather want an 80GB disk for my H1x0, but that's a different story 12.00.02 # what did i do wrong? 12.00.07 # Quazgaa: you are done >_> 12.00.57 # fsdfsfddfas: / 12.01.09 # fsdfsfddfas: slash not backslash... 12.01.22 # amiconn: we could buy you one if you wanted to investigate/help, and then you should ship it off to someone else. 12.01.23 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.01.28 Quit matsl (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.01.43 # amiconn : will you post to that effect then ? I never actually expected anyone to step up and volunteer in the first place - so I feel kind of guilty now =/ 12.02.45 # hm I meant to write you "could", not "should" ... 12.03.06 # * B4gder joins a keyboard typing class 12.03.06 # weird - I read "could" and not "should" :) 12.03.35 # built-in spell checking brain? 12.03.42 # me too 12.03.58 # heh....thirded 12.04.34 # that's what reading too much IRC does to you :-) 12.04.37 # I guess I got the context from the first part of the sentence, and sort of skimmed the rest 12.05.15 # * scorche goes about making a new VMware image 12.06.04 # scorche: ping me if you want me to update my mirror 12.06.15 # i will 12.06.38 # assuming i am successful 12.06.45 # * scorche has never created an image before 12.07.12 # heh - it's not too tough :) 12.07.27 # i wouldnt imagine it being so, but you never know ;) 12.08.36 Quit kaaloo ("Leaving.") 12.08.53 # i'm thinking about building a device to connect a logic analyzer to the hard drive on my 80gb ipod 12.08.57 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 12.09.44 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.09.58 Quit fsdfsfddfas () 12.10.17 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 12.11.02 # holy moses, there's not much spare room in the ipod case :-) 12.11.13 # nope 12.11.32 # if there was, they would have just made a smaller one... ;) 12.13.02 Join webguest35 [0] (i=c1713011@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d4a4c275e9d4e4ce) 12.13.17 # hmm 12.13.28 Quit webguest35 (Client Quit) 12.13.31 # tried the usb power adaptor + ipod + rockbox today 12.13.42 # usb logo comes up 12.13.46 # then it restarts 12.13.55 # starts up with the please do not disconnect screen 12.14.00 # then reboots again, and this loops 12.14.04 # anyone else have the same problem? 12.14.20 # as in plugging it into the wall? 12.14.21 # yeah 12.14.36 # hold menu while inserting the cable 12.15.23 # ah beautiful 12.15.25 # works 12.15.49 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5a74243e46dda528) 12.15.55 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 12.18.31 # * GodEaterWeb has just looked at pricing for logic analyzers and nearly fainted 12.18.58 Part decayedcell 12.20.41 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196) 12.22.10 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@87.4.205.35) 12.22.31 Quit spiorf_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.22.36 Join decayedcell [0] (n=decayed_@ppp135-16.lns3.mel6.internode.on.net) 12.22.43 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@87.4.205.35) 12.25.48 # ok, i need two zif connectors, and straight strip and a pin header 12.27.17 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.28.09 # easy to source ? 12.29.13 Quit spiorf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.31.16 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 12.31.21 # gah 12.31.22 # help 12.31.22 # configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 12.35.29 # ok, got the 40-pin zif 12.35.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.39.39 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.47.18 # bah nvm fixed it 12.48.57 Quit hen3rz () 12.52.00 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f7709f2e84f679f3) 12.54.27 Join trypt0_ [0] (i=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 12.55.56 Part decayedcell 12.57.57 Join decayedcell [0] (n=decayed_@ppp135-16.lns3.mel6.internode.on.net) 12.58.23 Part decayedcell 13.09.15 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 13.09.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.14.18 Quit RedZZR ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 13.21.29 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.25.00 Quit Quazgaa ("leaving") 13.28.10 # hey Nico_P, you around? 13.31.09 Quit trypt0 ("Leaving") 13.32.33 # JdGordon: hi 13.32.45 # hey 13.32.46 # i don't have much time though, classes soon 13.32.54 # you working on metadata on buffer are you? 13.33.37 # not sure i could say that... all i've done so far is look at playback.c searching for places where i'd need to make changes 13.34.08 # currently i'm working on a project for my school so i'm not full time on rockbox 13.34.14 # haha, ok.. well good luck 13.34.19 # thanks 13.34.31 # have you had a look at my latest cuesheet patch ? 13.35.12 # only the description... just got back from holidays today 13.35.28 # ok 13.35.39 # it seems to work pretty well 13.35.51 Join Bagderr [0] (i=d94e2a0b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1f57c6302a67937d) 13.36.35 # I'm hoping to get it committed soon 13.36.59 Quit tychver ("Leaving") 13.37.13 # once cvs access is back we'll have a look-see :) 13.37.48 # :) 13.38.51 Quit B4gder ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.38.57 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A962FA.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.39.21 # hopefully cvs access won't come back ;-) 13.39.34 # :'( so much for that then 13.39.42 # we're going svn 13.39.43 # bah, you know what i mean 13.39.52 # hehe 13.39.59 # * JdGordon pulls the 11.40pm holiday mode trump card 13.40.15 # anything I can help with in the conversion? 13.41.05 # I don't think so 13.41.15 # ok 13.41.37 # any idea how long untill commit access is up again? 13.42.02 # JdGordon: will you still be there in a bit more tha 4 hours ? 13.42.23 # Nico_P: not a chance... 10+ hours i will be 13.42.39 # ok 13.42.51 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.42.55 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.44.04 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 13.48.32 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.50.17 # Is there a metadata-on-buffer wiki page? 13.50.37 # Oops, missed both JDGordon and Nico_P 13.50.44 # * pondlife talks to himself 13.52.15 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 13.52.24 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 13.55.01 # new main server is about to get ordered 13.55.23 # dual 270 opteron 2GHz, 4GB RAM, 300 GB SATA 13.55.48 # it'll be a nice build server 13.55.54 # oooo...very 13.56.24 # icculus has something like that too, it's fun to ssh to :) 13.56.34 # (where openbox is hosted) 13.56.34 # mind ordering one for me too? =P 13.56.44 # :-) 13.57.00 # i promise i will set it up as a build server! ;) 13.57.41 Join Wikipedia-Gast27 [0] (i=JavaUser@p57B35813.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.58.00 Join jba [0] (n=jba@c211-30-242-204.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 13.58.52 # how come rockbox charge in usb mode on an ipod is so slow? 13.59.13 # there's a knob that says "charge faster", but we don't know where it is 13.59.14 # or is it that the usb mode rockbox invokes on the ipod is such a high power consumer? 13.59.35 # jba: Are you referring to "Emergency Disk Mode" or charging in-rockbox without access to the disk? 13.59.49 # * scorche deletes his identical question 13.59.55 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 13.59.55 # The Disk Mode is still Apple software, so we have nothing to do with it. 14.00.13 # Llorean, that's what i thought 14.00.21 # In-Rockbox it only draws 1/5 of the normal power. That combined with the fact that Rockbox uses more power than it should right now means really slow charging, if at all. 14.00.27 # it's possible the emergency mode also doesn't enable full charge speed 14.00.29 Quit XavierGr () 14.00.44 Join RedZZR [0] (n=chatzill@81-86-2-113.dsl.pipex.com) 14.01.18 # when holding menu on usb insert, so "usb charge mode" not usb disk mode, is it that we aren't talking to the charging circuit properly? 14.01.42 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 14.02.31 Join GodEaterWeb [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-768140fac4f5a646) 14.03.18 # jba: We barely know anything about the USB hardware. 14.03.35 # oh. 14.03.35 # Well, possibly more now, but not much has been done with it yet as that's recent. 14.04.19 # we do? 14.04.29 # okay sleep time 14.04.36 # night all 14.05.00 # Mikachu: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6494 14.05.31 # Mikachu: MrH had another moment of divine inspiration and discovered that the PP's USB hardware is the same as another chip, and that other chip has documentation... 14.05.52 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.05.56 # Mikachu: Also see the commit from 20 Dec 15:28 14.05.58 # clever 14.07.17 # ah, i remember i had to move my hotstuff hack but i never read the message :) 14.07.33 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@82-41-2-141.cable.ubr01.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.08.38 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 14.08.44 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 14.08.45 Nick Mouser_X3 is now known as Mouser_X (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 14.09.46 # bagder: there seems to be a problem with (some) binaries in the svn - I compared the bmps in a fresh checkout against the tarball and 125 were different (mainly the odd 0x0d or 0x0a added) 14.10.17 # bagder: also the concerned files don't have the octet-stream attribute 14.11.03 # bagder: an example is: apps\bitmaps\native\rockboxlogo.138x46x2.bmp 14.11.06 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.12.11 Part kaaloo 14.12.18 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 14.14.47 # once we have fixed svn access properly, "anyone" can fix those issues 14.15.05 # at least I t hink so 14.15.39 # roolku: is that using cygwin svn 1.4? 14.15.39 # not sure what you mean? Everyone gets commit access? 14.15.52 # no, but everyone that should have access will get it 14.15.54 # no the latest tortoise svn 14.16.06 # Bagderr: i got diffs between cvs and svn too with some bmps 14.16.32 # -0000060 000a 0b0b 000b 0c0c 000c 0d0d 000d 0e0e 14.16.32 # +0000060 000a 0b0b 000b 0c0c 000c 0a0a 000a 0e0e 14.16.55 # isn't that for the same reason? 14.17.11 # i just wanted to rule out cygwin strangeness 14.17.17 # ah, ok 14.21.14 # are these affected bitmaps in apps/bitmaps/native? 14.21.35 # ah... rockboxlogo is 14.21.59 # * pixelma reads again... 14.22.15 # I'm getting differences with the rockblox bitmaps as well - they weren't committed to CVS with -kb 14.23.12 # was there a particular reason why we named the 7zip file Debian-2? 14.23.15 # maybe they got corrupted in the cvs-> svn transfer? 14.23.23 # scorche: it was Debian.7z before that 14.24.10 # scorche: It's the second iteration of the kit. 14.24.20 Part LinusN 14.24.27 # so i should name it Debian-3? 14.24.29 # The first one didn't have a GUI at all. 14.24.30 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 14.24.41 # So you couldn't play with simulators 14.25.04 # that would be the logical choice 14.25.10 # linuxstb: really? 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(i never use 7zip really) 14.27.03 Quit jba (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.27.11 # i think there's only one max compression switch 14.27.41 # there is maximum and ultra 14.28.17 # there are alos settings for compression method, dictionary size, and word size...among a few others 14.28.27 # s/alos/also 14.28.29 # the man settings gives this example 14.28.34 # 7za a -t7z -m0=lzma -mx=9 -mfb=64 -md=32m -ms=on archive.7z dir1 14.28.39 # the man page rather 14.30.34 # ultra it is 14.32.07 # and it takes loooong time to compress it 14.32.14 # no kidding 14.32.39 Join tamacracker [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 14.32.57 # ~an hour and climbing 14.33.56 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 14.35.12 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohannmi@cpe-71-72-99-25.columbus.res.rr.com) 14.35.15 # you'll save people downloading it more than that probably 14.42.24 # * Bagderr watches a belgian weather forecast stream over and over and over and over... 14.43.09 # why does the vmware page have instructions for running windows applications in wine? 14.43.14 # * scorche senses that there is a joke he is not getting 14.43.30 # its not a joke, its my job! :-P 14.43.32 Nick DreamThief|off is now known as DreamThief (n=mathias@p54A810C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.43.41 # ... 14.43.51 # not to watch it perhaps, but to make sw for the box showing it 14.43.52 # they couldn't pay me enough 14.43.59 # heh 14.45.08 # before i let this get too far, was there anything else besides make and svn to be updated/installed for the image? 14.45.10 # * GodEaterWeb is debugging a websphere app today. It's not exciting. 14.47.31 # * pixelma has fun reading the latest forum post 14.48.07 Join hcs [0] (n=hcs@dialup-4.250.135.250.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net) 14.51.12 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.54.36 # Anyone know about X5 charging here? I got the impression that charging was hardware regulated on most of our targets, but the last post from RaeNye seems to contradict that: http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9667 and I was just wondering if anyone knew more. 14.57.42 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.02.24 Quit hcs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.03.21 # rockbox charges when on the subpack 15.04.01 # if you don't get the connection tight (it is easy to have a loose connection) then it doesn't charge 15.04.32 # it has to..because i listen to tunes all night long and most of the day at work 15.04.34 # Well the discussion seems to include the possibility that it's dangerous to charge while in-Rockbox. 15.05.01 # I wanted to find out if charging was hardware controlled, like it is for most of our newer targets, because that 'dangerous' thing sounds kinda fishy to me. 15.05.27 # i've been using rockbox on my iaudio since 3-28-06 15.05.41 # so i don't know how dangerous it is 15.06.20 # unless mine is a ticking time bomb 15.06.55 # just dont cut the red wire... 15.07.01 # Well, considering most of the players have hardware controlled charging, I didn't think it was likely that you could overcharge in Rockbox just by leaving it plugged in, but I wanted to get an answer from someone familiar with the internals. 15.07.03 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 15.07.31 # yeah... well i'm not really familiar with the internals.. 15.09.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.15.51 # does it ever show a full charge while plugged in? 15.15.54 # Bagderr: If I were to try to write a letter to Austrian Microsystems, do we know of a human-contact I could give a shot at, or is the only option currently known that request form? 15.21.19 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.21.32 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.21.44 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 15.22.18 # llorean: I got the call only after having mailed their sales email address, but I don't have any human contact to recommend no 15.22.22 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.22.41 # I filed a request on the web form several days before what we no response at all 15.22.53 # before that even 15.23.06 # Bagderr: Okay. With PortalPlayer I had found someone who seemed to be relevant, so I'll probably dig through for an email address at their site sometime this week and try a letter similar to the one I sent to PP. 15.23.26 # At least they seem to respond at all. 15.23.42 Join Koenigsberg [0] (n=dsl@202.10.86.63) 15.23.47 # How can I ask rockbox to shuffle? 15.24.17 # Koenigsberg: By enabling shuffle? Search the manual for "shuffle" 15.24.37 # There are more than one place you can enable it from. 15.24.46 # But the shuffle on/off only shuffles inside the folder you're in, doesn't it? 15.25.10 # It shuffles the current playlist. 15.25.26 # if you want to shuffle the entire collection, there are at least 2 ways to do this 15.25.27 # and the mode for the upcoming playlists 15.25.51 # if you are on directory view, create a playlist for the root folder of your music, then play it with shuffle enabled 15.26.09 # if you are in id3 tag view, then you don't have to create ap laylist first 15.27.21 # ah, okay, thanks 15.27.40 # one more question... when I enter my /mp3s/ or /flacs/ folder, it says "Dir buffer is full". What does that mean? 15.28.06 # it means you should organize your files better :-) 15.28.16 # Bagderr beat me to it 15.28.32 # How so? It's just one folder per album. 15.28.53 # most people do artist/album 15.29.09 # at the root of my music is each artist, then down one level is each album 15.29.24 # goffa 15.29.25 # morning 15.29.26 # but if you insist on doing just albums, you'll need to read the manual around the setting for maximum number of dir entries 15.29.39 # i have over 3000 songs so it seems to work well 15.30.09 # well, in my mp3 folder i have 7,841 songs in 416 folders 15.30.10 # Llorean: Hardware controlled charging is a requirement for LiIon / LoPoly batteries. Everything else would be truely dangerous, rockbox or not 15.30.22 # s/LoPoly/LiPoly/ 15.30.31 # does it mean it reached the max number of dirs it can display at once, so some aren't being displayed? 15.30.43 # wow, there's only the source archive on the cvs builds page? 15.31.13 # amiconn: So, the charging is independent of the firmware? 15.31.35 # Nimdae: Nobody can check into CVS right now anyway. 15.31.36 # Koenigsberg: Try increasing the "Max files in dir" setting - your 416 folders are beyond the default 400. 15.31.59 # nimdae: yeah, I deleted the others when I copied the lot over to the new server 15.32.08 # ahh 15.32.11 # Llorean: All the firmware can do (depending on the charging chip) is to select whether it charges at all, and the maximum charging current 15.32.16 # the daily builds are now equivalent anyway 15.32.23 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=MARVIN_T@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 15.32.26 # yeah 15.32.31 # i just need the source tarball anyway 15.32.43 # That's why charging in rockbox is slow on iPod - we don't know how to switch the charging chip between low & high current 15.33.41 # Bagderr: doh, the source tarball 404s 15.34.17 # the cvs one? 15.34.24 # both cvs and daily 15.34.26 # try the daily one then 15.34.30 # m 15.34.58 # Quick question: "Enable ROM file generation for H120/H140." what does this practically means? 15.35.17 # nimdae: then try download.rockbox.org/daily/source 15.36.02 # Genre9mp3: Probably an aspect of Rockbox-in-flash advancing. 15.36.20 # that works 15.36.39 # ooo nice and fast too 15.36.52 # amiconn: So I was right in assuming "Rockbox can't allow charging on X5 to be any more harmful than it already is/isn't"? 15.37.02 # at least relatively 15.37.04 # yeah the dl server is on a fine connection 15.37.11 # Llorean: We already could flash on H120/H140 15.37.37 # anyway, i must get ready for work, i'll do my builds from there :) 15.38.24 # Genre9mp3: That's why I said "advancing". Just because we can doesn't mean it can't advance. :-P 15.39.32 Join BobJonkman [0] (n=John@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 15.39.40 # hehe.. sure... I guess Slasheri could bring some light on this 15.39.44 # Genre9mp3: It seems to generate rombox for H120/H140 15.39.59 # I'm guessing it's bringing it more into line with flashing procedured for the Archoses. 15.40.03 # Yes, it means running directly from rom 15.40.31 # Flashing a standard rockbox build just means loading the image from rom instead of disk 15.40.49 # ...but still running it from ram 15.41.10 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.41.17 # Running from rom increases free ram (by code size + read-only data size) 15.41.19 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 15.41.25 Quit Koenigsberg (Remote closed the connection) 15.41.29 # aha... now I see, thanx amiconn 15.41.46 # the flashing procedure has to change with this though? 15.42.25 # heh.. that scared me 15.42.32 # only had my gigabeat on for 2 hours 15.42.45 # it shut off due to inactivity on pause 15.42.55 # i tried to power it up.. got the message "recharge battery" 15.43.24 # was thinking i'd have to sit here at work without tunes for 3.5 hours :) 15.43.41 # luckily shutting the battery off, turning it back on.. and powering up set me at 80% 15.46.06 Quit Zeraphe (Remote closed the connection) 15.46.20 # Genre9mp3: yes, new version of the bootloader and flashing plugin is on its way 15.46.55 # Slasheri: nice 15.47.04 Quit BobJonkman (Remote closed the connection) 15.47.15 # * Genre9mp3 hopes for a similar progress with H300 15.47.36 # bootloader contains numerous minor fixes and some new features (for example the failsafe menu) 15.48.21 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.52.22 # failsafe menu? What will that do? 15.53.24 Quit Bagderr ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.57.27 # bluebrother: it is possible to select the boot method and set a default boot method (from disk/ram/rom/shutdown) 15.57.46 Join anewuser [0] (i=anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 15.58.42 # cool :) 15.59.37 # that menu is also automatically activated if rockbox crashes or fails to boot 16.02.48 Quit anewuser (Client Quit) 16.03.44 # which devices does this affect? h100, h300 or both? 16.03.57 # H120/H140 16.04.08 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@38.98.196.75) 16.04.16 # :) 16.04.24 # Slasheri: rombox is a special version of the firmware or it doesn't matter? 16.04.41 # s/is/needs to be 16.05.10 # yes, it's specially linked version of rockbox (should be already included in daily builds, can be found .rockbox/rombox.iriver) 16.05.33 # but you can still put the ram image in flash also 16.06.17 # So one can choose which one to flash... 16.06.26 # true, or flash them both 16.06.39 # flash them both? 16.06.47 # it's generally a good idea to have always a working version of rombox 16.06.57 # They can co-exist? 16.07.12 # because if bootloaders fails for some reason, rombox can be loaded very early 16.07.20 # yep, they can 16.07.52 # hmm... H100 ROM chip is 2MB, right? 16.08.00 # correct 16.08.24 # rockbox uses only something like 300 KiB 16.08.38 # So you could have 6 of them :) 16.08.42 # so there is a plenty of room to have both versions of rockbox 16.08.49 # how much the bootloader takes? 16.08.51 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496758C.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.09.05 # hehe, in theory. But currently only two versions can be put in flash 16.09.28 # it uses one erasable section on flash memory, 64 KiB 16.10.07 # Do you happen to know how much the retailOS takes? 16.10.11 Join oui00 [0] (n=oui00@jabber.snc.ru) 16.10.26 # it takes almost the full 2MiB 16.10.50 # so there is no room to enlarge the bootloader section to 128 KiB for example 16.11.44 # probably that's because retailos has everything in flash.. fonts, images etc. 16.11.58 # OK... now I understand how you can choose between rom/ram in failsafe menu 16.12.16 # what's the shutdown option do? 16.12.39 # it's the default option when hold switch is on (hold is also used to access that menu) 16.12.50 # so player just turns off after the timeout 16.13.55 Part oui00 16.13.58 Part LinusN 16.14.43 # Slasheri: nice additions 16.16.08 # will the bootloader show the battery level in that case? 16.16.23 # I recently wanted to know the level of the battery without turning on. 16.16.41 # But turning on with hold enabled simply turns of ... 16.17.00 # bluebrother: hmm, a good idea 16.17.18 # bluebrother: maybe i could add that too. But currently the level is just the voltage level, not calibrated percentage level 16.17.32 # Slasheri: Do you know if there's an H300 bootloader update on the way (hint)? Maybe one that allows the non-LCD remote to power up the device (hint hint)...? 16.17.32 # is that menu soemthing like graphical? A screenshot would be interesting ;-) 16.17.36 # in usb mode, the level is also displayed 16.17.41 # bluebrother: no 16.17.49 # voltage level should be sufficient imo 16.18.11 # how do you choose between the options? Various buttons? 16.18.11 # pondlife: hmm, i have no idea about the H300 :) 16.18.17 Join phrozen77 [0] (n=phrozen7@pD9EC7439.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.18.38 # bluebrother: there is a text based menu with text based arrows :) 16.18.50 # ah. Nice. 16.18.58 # so you move the arrow like navigating with the joystick 16.19.04 # ASCII-Art can be quite nice 16.19.11 # Slasheri: So the H300 bootloader is completely different from the H100? 16.19.14 # and pressing REC button, makes the choise the default (saved in EEPROM) 16.19.29 # pondlife: well, it is just missing a lot of features 16.19.38 # OK 16.19.38 # it still uses the same source file 16.20.12 # One day I'll get brave enough to build a bootloader. 16.20.33 # hehe, just ask Linus to try the compiled binary first :) 16.20.43 # and then port the iriver_flash -plugin etc. for H300 :) 16.20.54 # * bluebrother still waits for the day we can load the OF from disk. Not too much use, but would be somewhat cool 16.21.09 # bluebrother: i doubt that will ever happen 16.21.54 # What sort of thing is missing from the H300 code? USB? 16.22.20 # probably that is the most important missing feature 16.22.27 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.23.03 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p5493234A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.23.27 # Where is the bootloader source? There's not much in rockbox/bootloader... 16.23.52 Join mdeboer [0] (n=maarten@mtg62.upf.es) 16.24.00 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.233.208) 16.25.29 # Ah, we also have rockbox/flash/bootloader. 16.26.01 # wow.. H300 ROM chip is 4MB! 16.27.35 # * pondlife doesn't get it. Perhaps he also thinks "this bootloader source needs target-treeing". 16.27.37 # pondlife: bootloader/main.c 16.27.55 # but that is the old version until i commit rest of the patch 16.28.03 # Where are the H300 #ifdefs I expected to see then? 16.28.11 # in that file 16.28.30 # you need to cvs co bootloader 16.28.36 # Haha, they are #ifndefs 16.28.42 # :D 16.28.44 Quit KCC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.29.17 # * Genre9mp3 has to go 16.29.20 # cheers 16.29.29 Quit Genre9mp3 () 16.29.57 # The USB stuff seems to be present for H300. 16.36.57 Quit BiptoN (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.52.11 Join DMJC-L [0] (n=DMJC-L@122-49-170-53.ip.adam.com.au) 16.52.21 # who's hacking on rockboy? 16.52.30 # I've got a h140 iriver 16.52.44 # the a-b and record buttons don't seem to work in the emulator 16.52.50 # eg they don 16.52.54 # 't do start 16.53.26 Quit midgey () 16.54.12 Join toffe [0] (n=toffe@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.54.55 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.57.03 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.58.35 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-067a1ee7d758025a) 16.59.38 Quit zylche (Remote closed the connection) 16.59.41 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.59.49 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17.02.19 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 17.03.10 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B97821.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.04.43 Quit kaaloo (Client Quit) 17.07.29 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 17.09.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.10.05 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 17.15.38 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-4570aea6.dyn.optonline.net) 17.18.46 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp101-89.adsl.forthnet.gr) 17.19.12 Join suckacracka [0] (n=suckacra@ool-45717d18.dyn.optonline.net) 17.29.13 Quit DMJC-L (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.30.02 Join DMJC-L [0] (n=DMJC-L@122-49-170-53.ip.adam.com.au) 17.31.03 Quit RedZZR ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 17.32.45 Join webguest57 [0] (i=d1c4c007@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9f48f227227a24ea) 17.34.57 Quit GodEaterWeb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.34.57 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.35.14 Nick webguest57 is now known as elinenbe (i=d1c4c007@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9f48f227227a24ea) 17.41.40 Quit elinenbe ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.44.57 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F200B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.52.57 Quit Zagor ("Leaving") 17.57.10 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@jau31-3-82-239-20-145.fbx.proxad.net) 17.59.28 Part mdeboer ("Leaving") 18.00.16 Quit roolku () 18.02.06 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.04.15 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 18.10.23 # 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anyone knows where is macworld 2007? 19.08.50 # where can i see upcoming events 19.09.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.09.35 Quit midgey () 19.10.33 Quit Cazov ("sdkghdaskgjhatogoiadjgl") 19.11.43 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.11.46 Join CpuWhiz [0] (n=Eric@cpe-66-87-222-218.co.sprintbbd.net) 19.14.10 Quit spiorf_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.14.42 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.15.47 # question whats the function of #define CPUFREQ_MAX ???? 19.15.56 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@host48-205-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.16.21 # is it just info for the debug menu, or is it more than that? 19.16.41 Nick w1ll14m|away is now known as w1ll14m (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 19.16.47 Quit spiorf_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.17.00 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host48-205-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.17.13 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 19.17.25 Quit Daishi (Remote closed the connection) 19.17.55 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.18.10 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 19.18.19 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 19.18.23 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.18.44 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 19.19.11 Join bluebrother [0] (i=BwhUadXF@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.21.13 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host48-205-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.23.24 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) 19.25.13 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.27.35 Quit trypt0_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.27.48 Join trypt0_ [0] (i=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 19.30.07 Join LithiumTR [0] (n=Lithium@client-81-107-217-155.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) 19.30.29 # Howdy all 19.31.22 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.31.51 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 19.31.57 Nick Llorea1 is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 19.34.41 # Anyone there? 19.35.37 Quit toffe ("MegaIRC v3.27 http://ironfist.at.tut.by") 19.40.20 Join low_light [0] (n=chatzill@rrcs-24-123-47-98.central.biz.rr.com) 19.40.54 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m145.net195-132-203.noos.fr) 19.41.53 # wow...have to admit that the iphone *looks* cool 19.42.15 # now, when will rockbox support it? :F 19.42.50 Join toffe [0] (n=toffe@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 19.43.10 # audio + video + phone + internet 19.43.38 # nice :) rockbox on it.... with phone support ... and ll buy one :) 19.44.50 # strange that Apple give's the name iPhone.... as the name is registered by linksys (aka cisco) 19.45.08 # i guess they have paid a dollar or two for the name... 19.45.33 # hmmm could be.... but then, you should find that info on the net i think.... 19.46.25 # crwl, do you know the function of #define CPUFREQ_MAX as it is defined in firmware/export/system.h ? 19.46.37 # must have a hefty cpu if it's running osx 19.46.39 # w1ll14m, sorry, no, i'm not a developer :) 19.46.58 # ahh okay, i thought maube you know :) 19.47.18 Quit jaebird (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.47.28 # well ... i own an ipod 5g, but it's sometimes slow... so i changed a bit of that code, and now it's a LOT faster 19.47.42 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 19.47.56 # while i use soft and hardware EQ and decode mp3@320kbps 19.48.34 # so, thats why i asked :) 19.48.37 # Why would you use software and hardware EQ at the same time? 19.49.28 Quit phrozen77 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.49.52 Join phrozen77 [0] (n=phrozen7@pD9EC7439.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.50.10 # hmmm well i use soft eq because you can adjust the frequency .... so i boost most of bass with soft eq, and everything above 120Hz is -11.5db, then i use hardware eq for the mid and high tones so it's in some kind of balance... 19.50.20 Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 19.50.49 # i own sony in ear bubs lp90 i believe... and they are capable of handling a lot of bass... as i listen to hardcore that's what i like :) 19.50.56 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@217.23.173.156) 19.51.05 # normaly my GUI is some kind of slow.... 19.51.17 # what is hardcore 19.51.29 # Well.... do you know trance ? 19.51.34 # ya 19.51.37 # Anyone able to help me with an iPod 5th generation (30GB) that reboots on shutdown? 19.51.45 # hardcore is 20 times that hard.... 19.52.00 # LithiumTR USB Connected ? 19.52.04 # Nope 19.52.06 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@cpc2-nfds9-0-0-cust419.lei3.cable.ntl.com) 19.52.14 # like for example 19.52.15 # Daily build ? 19.52.16 # I've checked your forums, documentation and Googled 19.52.19 # Yeah, daily build 19.52.23 # k.... 19.52.26 # I'll get the version number 19.52.31 # 5.5 g or just 5g? 19.52.36 # 5th generation 19.52.39 # k 19.52.50 # any custom pacthes aplied? 19.52.52 # Nope 19.53.08 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@53-89.netblk-69-41-89.coolaccess.net) 19.53.14 # I've tried removing Rockbox, restoring the Apple firmware, then reinstalling, still does it 19.53.14 # how do you shutdown ? 19.53.17 # Hold play 19.53.22 # hmmm ..... 19.53.31 # I get the "Shutting down..." dialogue 19.53.34 # Then Rockbox reboots 19.53.35 # Also with apple firmware it just reboots.... 19.53.37 # ack...$499 & $599 for 4 & 8GB iPhone 19.53.42 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.53.45 # I'll test it with the standard Apple firmware now 19.53.49 # k 19.53.57 # Out of interest 19.54.08 # What does the -wf option for the ipodpatcher binary do 19.54.15 # To expensive.... 19.54.24 # writes a new bootloader 19.54.49 # bootloader or bootloader + apple firmware 19.54.55 # i think ..... 19.55.04 # Rockbox kept rebooting to the original Apple firmware, but by using the -a option, then -wf with rockbox.ipod, it only loads the Rockbox firmware 19.55.12 # It replaces the firmware with whatever .ipod file you point it at. 19.55.21 # It doesn't preserve the firmware part, so it can overwrite the apple firmware. 19.55.24 # while booting try holding play 19.55.32 # ahh k :) 19.55.38 # i used ..... ipod_fw 19.55.40 # Still trying to stop it rebooting though 19.55.48 # Restoring the Apple software now 19.55.55 # ok 19.56.17 # I'm impressed with Rockbox though 19.56.24 # Especially Doom :P 19.56.28 # yeah me too :) 19.56.41 # The iPod turns off fine with the Apple firmware 19.56.50 # yeah :) i like it ... i own it voor psp ;) homebrew ofcourse 19.57.00 # thats indeed strange..... 19.57.02 # Yeah 19.57.04 # LithiumTR: the apple firmware doesn't turn off the ipod 19.57.05 # which bootloader do you use? 19.57.14 # bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod 19.57.16 # LithiumTR: is your usb cable plugged in? 19.57.32 # okay 19.57.35 # try to create one from soucecode 19.57.42 # no usb not plugged in.... 19.57.48 # source code* 19.57.59 # plugging in the cable makes the ipod start 19.58.19 # mikachu, correct but usb is'nt connected 19.58.49 # then i don't know 19.58.54 # hehe :) 19.58.54 Quit phrozen77 ("All generalizations are false.") 19.59.07 # I'll reinstall Rockbox now 19.59.14 # Any suggestions/different things to try with ipodpatcher? 19.59.24 # do you have linux availible ? 19.59.26 # LithiumTR: Which ipod do you have? 19.59.33 # 30GB video, 5.0 generation 19.59.49 # Did you restore to a clean firmware partition before running ipodpatcher? 19.59.53 Join phrozen77 [0] (n=phrozen7@pD9EC7439.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.00.01 # Clean firmware partition? 20.00.13 # you've reinstalled apple os :) 20.00.14 # i.e. no bootloaders, just the Apple firmware. 20.00.18 # Yeah 20.00.50 # Ah, using -wf replaces the Apple firmware with Rockbox... 20.00.51 # Actually 20.00.55 # Weird problem 20.01.11 # Running ipodpatcher /dev/sdb -d throws up 20.01.15 # "No bootloader detected" 20.01.30 # That's because you don't have one... 20.01.39 # I've just reinstalled Rockbox 20.01.42 # What does ipodpatcher /dev/sdb --list show? 20.01.53 # And trying to remove it says it isn't installed 20.02.05 # Image 1: 20.02.05 # Main firmware - 7489536 bytes 20.02.05 # Image 2: 20.02.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK LithiumTR 20.02.05 # RSRC - 5244928 bytes 20.02.05 # Image 3: 20.02.07 # AUPD - 1075200 bytes 20.02.08 # Image 4: 20.02.10 # HIBE - 33556480 byte 20.02.23 # That looks like a restored (i.e. Apple firmware only) ipod? 20.02.33 # Yeah, it is 20.02.41 # Sec 20.02.44 # So what's the problem? 20.03.10 # [INFO] Bootloader bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod written to device. 20.03.13 # Written the bootloader now 20.03.21 # I'll show you the new output of --list 20.03.23 # That was with the "-a" command? 20.03.29 # Yes 20.03.33 # Should I use -wf at all? 20.03.44 # Make sure the disk icon stops spinning on your ipod's LCD before you unplug... 20.04.06 # Not if you want to dual-boot with the Apple firmware as well. 20.04.06 # Image 1: 20.04.06 # Main firmware - 7489536 bytes 20.04.06 # Third-party bootloader - 60508 bytes 20.04.06 *** Alert Mode level 1 20.04.06 # Image 2: 20.04.06 *** Alert Mode level 2 20.04.06 # RSRC - 5244928 bytes 20.04.07 *** Alert Mode level 3 20.04.07 # Image 3: 20.04.09 # AUPD - 1075200 bytes 20.04.11 # Image 4: 20.04.16 # HIBE - 33556480 bytes 20.04.21 # That's the new output now 20.04.21 # I don't want to dual boot 20.04.21 # I only want Rockbox 20.04.38 # Then the easiest is to write the bootloader using -wf 20.04.45 # Alright 20.04.45 # Thanks 20.04.47 # Sec 20.05.02 # That will then load rockbox from the FAT32 partition - meaning you don't have to use ipodpatcher whenever you install a new version of Rockbox. 20.05.18 # It'll load rockbox.ipod from the root? 20.05.33 # Yes, or from .rockbox/ if you wanted to move it into that folder. 20.05.36 Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohannmi@cpe-71-72-99-25.columbus.res.rr.com) 20.06.06 # Image 1: 20.06.06 # Main firmware - 60508 bytes 20.06.06 # Image 2: 20.06.06 *** Alert Mode level 4 20.06.06 # RSRC - 5244928 bytes 20.06.06 *** Alert Mode level 5 20.06.06 # Image 3: 20.06.06 # linuxstb_ are you developer? 20.06.07 *** Alert Mode level 6 20.06.07 # AUPD - 1075200 bytes 20.06.09 # Image 4: 20.06.11 # HIBE - 33556480 bytes 20.06.24 # That's after running -wf with bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod 20.06.28 # LithiumTR: That's perfect. 20.06.48 # I'll reboot into Rockbox now 20.06.49 # (but you shouldn't really be pasting that many lines into this IRC channel...) 20.06.56 # Sorry 20.07.06 # w1ll14m: Yes 20.07.18 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.07.20 # Shutdown reboots the player 20.07.25 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.07.32 # ok, can i ask you what the function is of #define CPUFREQ_MAX 20.07.55 # linuxstb: is it just info for debug menu ? 20.08.44 # No, it's used with the set_cpu_frequency() function as well. 20.08.59 # lithiumtr: i can send you my 'firmware partition' dump wich includes bootloader 20.09.08 # Are there any settings that could screw up the shutdown? 20.09.08 # i don't have the reboot bug... 20.09.18 # not that i know of..... 20.09.26 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 20.09.39 # LithiumTR: What do you mean by "shutdown reboots the player"? 20.09.55 # linuxstb: ok, ive changed a bit of code, maybe it's usefull if it is stable, it speeds up my ipod alot..... 20.09.57 Part low_light 20.10.09 # I hold play, get "Shutting down...", the LCD goes blank then the Apple logo is displayed and the bootloader starts again 20.10.31 # silly question, you let go of play when it says shutting down, right? :) 20.10.39 # Haha, yeah 20.10.42 # lol 20.11.55 # brb got some food 20.11.56 Nick w1ll14m is now known as w1ll14m|away (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 20.12.12 # LithiumTR: Do you have anything plugged into your ipod (apart from headphones) ? 20.12.22 # No, nothing at all 20.12.38 Quit funky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.13.17 # When Rockbox shuts down the ipod, it tells the power management chip to wake up on one of two conditions - ONKEY (which is either MENU or SELECT), or ONCHARGE (i.e. power plugged in). 20.13.42 # i thought that was hardcoded 20.13.51 # I'm not pressing anything after letting go of play 20.14.01 # Should I try an older version of rockbox.ipod 20.14.11 # Mikachu: No, Rockbox is responsible for setting the wakeup condition. 20.14.18 # what happens if it doesn't? 20.14.30 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 20.14.30 # * Mikachu worries 20.14.32 # LithiumTR: I strongly doubt it would help - that code has been in Rockbox for about a year. 20.14.42 # Mikachu: Then your ipod never wakes up.... 20.14.58 # Okay 20.15.01 Quit idnar_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.15.01 # so it could be used for bricking? 20.15.02 # Any suggestions? 20.15.18 Join Zeraphe [0] (n=zeraphe@ip70-160-233-33.hr.hr.cox.net) 20.15.25 # i guess nobody has consciously tried to set the condition empty, maybe it defaults to some sane settings then 20.15.27 # Mikachu: Temporary bricking - the battery will eventually drain... 20.15.41 # ah 20.15.44 # (but after a good few weeks I expect) 20.15.54 # Ouch 20.15.55 # LithiumTR: Does anything odd happen in the Apple firmware? 20.16.08 # The Apple firmware works fine, although I haven't really used it 20.16.09 *** Alert Mode OFF 20.16.15 # Or you physically disconnect the battery... 20.16.22 # I've bought an iPod as I can't find a decent quality Ogg-Vorbis (native) player that doesn't make me want to cry 20.16.32 Join Everybody|away [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 20.16.39 # And without Rockbox, the iPod firmware is useless as Ogg-Vorbis support is required for me 20.17.01 # i thought rockbox used plain libvorbis tremor with some modifications 20.17.23 # maybe you mean the interface though 20.17.41 # A similar (and also very rare) problem with some ipods was that Rockbox always falsely detected USB when they booted. In that case, the Apple firmware also displayed a charging symbol when there was no power attached. 20.17.53 # Mine doesn't do that 20.18.14 # The Apple firmware detects USB connection fine 20.18.19 # And powers off fine 20.18.32 # I read about the problem with false USB detection in the forums actually 20.18.43 # If you were adventurous, you could try modifying the wake-up condition, to see which condition your ipod is falsely detecting. 20.18.58 # The iPod arrived about ten hours ago, it's literally brand new 20.19.26 # I've left the iPod to auto power off after 5 minutes of idle time 20.19.31 # And I get the bootloader saying - 20.19.34 # if one were to try something like that, one could drain the battery first 20.19.44 # "No Retgi1OS detected..." 20.19.52 # not RetailOS? 20.19.55 # Yeah 20.19.56 # Soory 20.19.57 # Is the hold switch on? 20.20.01 # Yes it is 20.20.07 # It warns me on the bootloader 20.20.15 # That's the trigger to tell the bootloader to start the original firmware (aka RetailOS). 20.20.22 # And in your case, it can't find it... 20.20.26 # Ah 20.20.51 # You could always leave retailos on your ipod, and reboot into it to shutdown. 20.20.57 # Actually 20.20.58 # Good idea 20.21.11 # doesn't retailos just go into sleep mode? 20.21.19 # Yes, but it's better than nothing... 20.21.25 # Dumb question, is there any "cleaner" way to reboot into the iPod software 20.21.34 Quit toffe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.21.39 # Or is it shutdown Rockbox, then activate hold 20.21.48 # you could try waiting for 24 or 36 hours, or whatever it is, and see what happens when retailos really shuts down 20.22.20 # This might be the proble 20.22.22 # *problem 20.22.25 # could be sort of hard to catch 20.22.34 # If I disconnect the iPod from USB after installing Rockbox 20.22.38 # And try to remove the bootloader 20.22.45 # I get "no bootloader detected" from ipodpatcher 20.22.52 # Yet, before disconnecting I can remove the bootloader 20.25.06 Nick w1ll14m|away is now known as w1ll14m (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 20.25.11 # back..... 20.25.25 # A point worth mentioning 20.25.36 # When disconnecting USB, the battery indicater DOES detect it's no longer plugged in 20.25.43 # So the iPod thinks I am pressing menu or select? 20.26.25 # lithiumtr do you want to try my firmware partition dump ? 20.26.30 # Okay 20.26.31 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 20.26.39 # just a sec.... ll pm you 20.28.45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.29.38 # How do I reboot into Rockbox from the iPod firmware? 20.29.41 # (Is that even possible) 20.29.55 # Hold menu + select for a few seconds 20.30.07 # then it forces a reboot 20.31.08 # Thanks 20.31.29 # I've got a Linux box, w1ll14m 20.31.45 # I can't PM you as I'm not registered 20.32.04 # you can enable getting pms from unregistered people, i forget exactly how though 20.32.09 # type /msg register [yourpassword] 20.32.43 # Is there any way to control the tags used in the WPS 20.32.53 # add new tags you mean ? 20.32.56 # you can change the wps 20.33.07 # yeah use nano or some text editor..... 20.33.18 # It's not showing the artist 20.33.33 # The files are tagged 20.33.48 # i think most wpses use the artist tag.. 20.33.55 # sometimes rockbox is slow with loading artist.... press pause and wait e sec,,,, 20.34.16 # after it has loaded all tracks you should see the artist.... 20.34.28 # lithium, have you registered your nick ? 20.34.48 # Ah, wait, if there's no album tag it won't display the artist 20.35.03 # that sounds like crazy logic 20.35.26 # I've got a few hundred singles stuck in a dir, all tagged but obviously no album tag information 20.35.37 # So Duran Duran isn't showing up :P 20.35.39 Quit Kingstone (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.35.40 # I'll register now 20.36.17 # ok 20.37.06 Part Llorean 20.37.27 Join moixa [0] (n=moixa@80-218-153-1.dclient.hispeed.ch) 20.38.28 Quit moixa (Client Quit) 20.38.34 # ~2200kbps 20.39.21 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 20.39.59 Join gotthardt [0] (i=86868802@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-1d6c318879d109d7) 20.40.04 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.40.53 Quit gotthardt (Client Quit) 20.42.57 # ok, ijust read about the new apple iphone 20.43.03 # when's the rockbox port for that coming? 20.43.11 # never, its vapoware 20.43.21 # actually 20.43.29 # it was showcased at macworld 20.43.40 # so it's apparently not vaporware anymore 20.43.44 # it's also on apple.com 20.44.00 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.44.13 # where on apple.com 20.44.25 # the front-freaking-page 20.44.35 # I was just looking at that 20.44.41 # Nimdae: same time as any other accessory gets supported is my guess 20.44.59 # Mikachu: GREAT! so that means there's a chance! :P 20.45.14 # i was being facetious about the rockbox port, btw 20.45.25 # no kidding 20.48.26 # funny, I was just looking there earlier 20.48.57 Join _Nw [0] (n=guest@195.210.144.104) 20.50.14 # <_Nw> hi 20.50.19 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/staff/tucoz) 20.52.53 # i`m sure it wont be supported 20.53.00 # Hmm, from the iphone website: "This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained." 20.53.09 # it's a phone, i doubt we'll see rockbox on it 20.53.13 Join toffe [0] (n=toffe@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.53.42 # anyway i think its just a toy for the elite or geeks 20.54.01 # i would have put "used" somewhere in that disclaimer too 20.55.06 # it's apparently due out in june 20.57.05 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 20.59.12 Join GodEater [0] (i=bryan@host-84-9-130-213.bulldogdsl.com) 20.59.43 # <_Nw> any lucky people, who managed to run rb on toshiba f-series with old firmware? 21.00.14 # sh: w1ll14m: command not found 21.00.23 # heh 21.00.29 # Wtf 21.00.50 # did you mean /exec -msg w1ll14m or something? 21.03.28 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.04.13 # linuxstb, do you have a link to the iphone website? 21.05.10 Quit _Nw () 21.06.50 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.07.24 # No I don't 21.09.01 Quit peschmae_ ("killall -9 *") 21.09.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.34 Quit CpuWhiz ("Leaving") 21.11.54 # I thought I'd managed to semi-brick a player within an hour of getting it! 21.12.03 # nice work :) 21.12.04 # tucoz: http://www.apple.com/iphone/ 21.12.06 Join KCC [0] (n=a@CPE0018e7004bcf-CM001225708556.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 21.12.22 # Fortunately, I was wrong :D 21.12.32 # thank goodness 21.14.38 Join God_Eater [0] (i=bryan@host-84-9-130-213.bulldogdsl.com) 21.14.57 Quit GodEater (Nick collision from services.) 21.15.01 Nick God_Eater is now known as GodEater (i=bryan@host-84-9-130-213.bulldogdsl.com) 21.16.23 Quit midgey () 21.17.47 # I love having access to the real drive in emergency recovery mode! It makes life so much easier for testing things 21.18.05 Join trypt0 [0] (i=trypt0@ip68-8-222-147.sd.sd.cox.net) 21.18.24 Quit trypt0_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.19.07 # when was that iPhone think launched then? Is it actually available anywhere yet ? 21.19.14 # s/think/thing 21.19.27 Join Angry [0] (i=5438ccf4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fd46ae22da81c469) 21.19.41 # afaik middle of the year 21.20.10 # and it runs OSX it says. Neat. Posix in your pocket" 21.20.10 Quit Angry (Client Quit) 21.20.18 Join tucoz_ [0] (n=martin@234.80-202-98.nextgentel.com) 21.20.19 # :) 21.20.27 Quit tucoz (Nick collision from services.) 21.20.43 Nick tucoz_ is now known as tucoz (n=martin@234.80-202-98.nextgentel.com) 21.21.26 # linuxstb, thanks. looks like a pretty phone 21.21.28 Quit phrozen77 ("All generalizations are false.") 21.21.51 # $600 phone 21.22.02 # that's allegedly WITH a provider contract 21.22.11 # i COULD be wrong 21.22.25 # much for a phone. but that will not stop the apple zealots 21.25.05 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.21 Join Mouser_X3 [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 21.25.39 # Wonder if 3com or whoever owns the iPhone trademark will sue them. 21.25.51 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 21.26.29 # don't you think apple have solved that issue before they present their new toy? 21.27.18 # Mikachu: If you clear the wakeup conditions from the pm chip and then shut down, the ipod won't wake up the normal way. Waiting for the battery to drain would probably take months. The only way to quickly wake it up again would be to open the ipod, disconnect the battery, wait a minute or so and then reconnect the battery 21.27.55 # ah 21.27.56 # think linksys owned it 21.28.13 # is that the same as cisco 21.28.36 # http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_News_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1165633352046&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper 21.28.38 # Opening an ipod can be tricky depending on the model... 21.28.50 # there is a small discussion on the iphone trademark issues in this article http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2081051,00.asp 21.29.14 # "Cisco spokeswoman Penny Bruce said the two companies had been in discussions, and it believed that Apple intends to agree to a final document and public statement concerning the trademark." 21.29.36 # amiconn: no way to drain it through one of the pins on the uni.dock contact? 21.29.45 # * amiconn guesses at least one ipl dev had to learn that the hard way 21.29.56 # amiconn: You're not wrong. 21.30.30 # Xerion, ok. thanks :) 21.30.35 # for the link 21.30.41 # np :) 21.30.42 Join Terinjokes [0] (n=terinjok@wikinews/Terinjokes) 21.30.43 # Mikachu: Perhaps, but then deep-discharging LiIon batteries is not recommended 21.30.58 # isn't that what would happen anyway if you waited half a year? 21.31.02 # i say rockbox for iPhone :D 21.31.03 # (but afaik the chip will shut down completely to protect the battery at some voltage point) 21.31.15 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 21.31.59 # Disconnect-reconnect is definitely the better (and faster, but slightly more involved) way 21.32.05 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") 21.34.40 Join alberink [0] (i=d4883808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a4da51816e650b47) 21.36.10 # nice - the svn co is very quick 21.36.44 # ah, was just about to ask why CVS commiting was disabled. So CVS is moving to SVN? 21.36.52 # yep 21.36.57 # does it work on the VMWare image? 21.37.12 # if you do an "apt-get install subversion" I believe so :) 21.37.25 # Had noticed already that there were no commits for the day. I already wandered what was up... :) 21.37.28 # although I couldn't tell you for sure since I don't use the VMWare image 21.37.45 # thanks will try that 21.38.04 # I'm surprised they didn't put something on rockbox.org's front page about it to be honest 21.38.07 Join ryanl [0] (n=ryanl@host-69-144-196-50.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net) 21.38.15 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.36 # although it was posted to the mailing list 21.38.56 # Oh, I'm sure they'll announce it after all the tooling has been converted to use SVN in place of CVS and the move is complete. 21.38.59 # tucoz: still around? 21.39.29 # Hmm, perhaps the channel topic should tell the reason for disabling cvs? 21.39.40 # amiconn: might be an idea :) 21.39.47 # pixelma, yes 21.40.12 # alberink: I think the conversion is already complete - the only thing we're still waiting on is Bagder handing out commit access again 21.40.33 # I just checked out the whole tree again using svn 21.40.33 Mode "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 21.40.56 # yes the conversion was done yesterday. we're doodling with various aspects before letting the whorde in :-) 21.41.06 Topic "CVS committing is now disabled, CVS => SVN transition in progress." by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.41.11 # i think there are a bunch of scripts still waiting for fixes as well 21.41.19 Mode "#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 21.41.22 # or maybe those are fixed already 21.41.47 # like the buildtable script, and frontpage commit messages etc 21.42.05 # I believe there were some issues with some files being moved over as text files when they should have been moved as binaries too 21.42.08 # Ah well... I understand a move to SVN completely... 21.42.09 # yup, work in progress 21.42.15 # hi, do you remember why there are two bounce plugin screenshots (files) - one for the ondiofm and the other for the ondiosp (should be the same)? 21.42.16 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m145.net195-132-203.noos.fr) 21.42.25 # @ tucoz 21.42.35 Quit LithiumTR ("Ciao!") 21.43.02 # hmm. that could be as a temporary workaround, just when we split the ondio builds 21.43.05 # manuals 21.43.58 # i wonder if it is possible to check that now. like when the files were added etc. 21.44.21 # I found on the frontpage that you committed them 21.44.48 # ah. i'll check 21.44.59 # June 7th 21.46.07 # yep. I am pretty sure that was done as a temporary measure to fix builderrors for the ondios 21.46.08 # Hmm, talking about bounce screenshots - they need to be remade for most, if not all, targets 21.47.15 # pixelma, if you look on the 6th of june, i duplicated a bunch of ondio-screenshots 21.48.31 # from the 5th-7th of june, there were lots of more or less thought through commits made 21.49.17 # linuxstb: my boost ratio is now between 65% and 75% :) 21.50.00 # that's how it should be .... 21.50.09 Nick w1ll14m is now known as w1ll14m|away (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 21.51.53 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 21.52.08 # so none of the ondios have a rtc? 21.52.11 Join Kyokon [0] (n=dsl@202.10.86.63) 21.52.25 Join bytie [0] (n=anonym@p548C9D7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.52.31 Quit bytie (Remote closed the connection) 21.52.37 # nope 21.52.38 # Is there any way I can make the left channel a little louder? I'm pretty sure my new headphones are unbalanced, because it always seems the music is more focused on the right channel 21.52.48 # tucoz: so a screenshot declaratione of "*-ondio" would suffice now (where there are differences to the other Archos players but the same for both Ondios)? 21.53.03 # * amiconn wonders what w1ll14m did 21.53.35 # amiconn: He changed the maximum CPU on his iPod to 105MHz 21.53.48 Quit Kyokon (Remote closed the connection) 21.54.12 # Oh, out of specs... 21.54.30 # pixelma, i know now why there are two files for bounce on the ondios. We can not separate by resolution, as recorder is showing a clock in the background. If there is a \specimg present, this will be used over the resolution one, and we have to separate the two ondios in other cases. 21.54.39 Quit Everybody|away ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.54.51 # pixelma, like when the screen shows radio etc 21.55.10 # yes... figured. 21.56.11 # i can not think of another way to fix this, unless you want opting which is a worse solution imho. 21.59.33 # see you 21.59.36 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 22.00.03 Join kyokon [0] (n=dsl@202.10.86.63) 22.01.28 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.01.54 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.01.54 # someone overclocked their iPod... would this be possible with a Gigabeat? 22.02.03 # its already 200mHz if i remember correctly 22.02.26 # when i ran my nano at 78 instead of 75 it constantly played audio strangely 22.02.33 # i might have done something wrong and ran it way faster, i dunno :) 22.02.42 # it worked when i put it in the fridge :) 22.03.05 # Gigabeat is 300MHz, apologies 22.03.08 # whatta beast! 22.05.11 # Mikachu: Really? 78MHz is still within specs (assuming the maximum clock for pp5021 is the same as for pp5020) 22.05.44 # I was able to run my mini G2 reliably at 96MHz (still within specs for pp5022) 22.06.11 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-69-152-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 22.06.45 # That's assuming it really was running at that clock speed. 22.06.54 # i am almost certain i did something wrong :) 22.06.55 # It was 22.07.03 # (I'm talking about w1ll14m|away) 22.07.16 # ah 22.08.16 # I've not worked out what his settings would have taken the speed to 22.08.36 # what are the benefits of overclocking your mp3? 22.08.45 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4f81166250d03336) 22.08.45 # Did he change CPUFREQ_MAX_MULT ? 22.08.46 # * dan_a is busy playing with a Samsung YH-820 22.08.48 # other than something like rockboy, i cant think of any obvious benefits 22.09.08 # amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095#comment12366 22.09.11 # mpegplayer... 22.09.38 # would overclocking help decoding skips 22.10.48 # only if they're very short 22.11.13 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 22.11.16 # ok, because sometimes it skips for maybe half a second 22.15.12 Quit RedZZR ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 22.23.48 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.24.19 Quit ender` (" The Web is a procrastination apparatus: It can absorb as much time as is required to ensure that you won't get any real work") 22.25.30 Join fasmaie_ [0] (n=yohannmi@cpe-71-72-99-25.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.26.21 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.28.39 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 22.30.05 Quit fasmaie_ (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.30.05 Quit mirak (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit ryanl (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit toffe (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit jaebird (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit Llorean (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit suckacracka (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit Criamos (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit thegeek_ (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit softi-42 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit FOAD_ (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.05 Quit Galois (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.30.07 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.30.07 NJoin ryanl [0] (n=ryanl@host-69-144-196-50.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net) 22.30.13 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 22.30.14 Join Galois [0] (n=djao@efnet-math.org) 22.30.14 *** Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. 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Viewers can't be launched on their own, so why do it? 22.44.36 # dunno 22.44.38 # kyokon: search for the balance setting in the manual (hint!) ;) 22.44.48 # Doomed: move them from viewers/ to rocks/ 22.45.13 # its just annoying to swtich to 'all' to open a file 22.45.29 # balance doesn't really seem to help, even though it's directly related to the problem (the right ear seems to be louder) 22.45.31 # that has nothing to do with your previous question 22.45.39 # Doomed: What are you switching to "All" to open? 22.45.46 # txt or a video 22.45.53 # from database 22.45.53 Quit lowlight ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.45.54 # Have you tried Supported instead of Music? 22.46.00 # Don't use database then. 22.46.23 # kyokon: No matter how you adjust the balance the right side is always louder? 22.46.27 # eh, this is a lot of do this or dont do this 22.47.13 # Doomed: I think everyone agrees that the database and browser views need to be integrated in some way, but no-one's done it yet. 22.47.31 # Doomed: To use a viewer, you *have* to click on a file. So filetree browsing is essential. Either figure out a way to incorporate database in filetree, or filetree in database, or deal with the fact that they're two separate schemes. 22.47.42 # yeah 22.48.00 # i would love to help this project but i dont know any coding skills 22.48.32 # Llorean: Well, the balance moves the sound by subtracting from the right and adding to the left, which isn't what I need: I want to put some of the right into the left, without reducing the right. 22.48.54 # kyokon: Why not reduce the right, then increase the total by simply upping the volume? 22.49.36 # maybe your headphones are messed up 22.49.46 # linuxstb_: I think there's also still the question of "Should the filetree show up underneath the database view, or should database be a virtual folder under the filetree?" 22.49.57 # Llorean: when I same "subtracting", I don't mean subtracting volume, but sound elements. for example, a cymbal clash, it moves the entire clash into the left channel. 22.50.09 Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.50.23 # i'm pretty sure it is my headphones, which irritates me since they're brand new $180 sennheisers that i can't return 22.50.37 # Llorean: Or a third option - the "root menu" proposal, with database and filetree both being options from that. 22.50.50 # i think the way it should be sorted is that there is an option in the db. such as videos, text etc 22.51.15 # and they would correlate to a folder like X:\videos, X:\text 22.51.48 # How would the database organise the video and text files? 22.51.55 # kyokon: Balance just adjusts the volume between the two channels. It does not move sound from one to the other. If you think a sound has moved it's just because you can now hear it more clearly in one place than the other. 22.52.07 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 22.52.24 # by name? but it would be the default db menu, so you have artist album, etc then at the bottom have video and others 22.52.49 # or you have a db that steps it out on further, so you would have video, music, text, games 22.52.56 Nick w1ll14m|away is now known as w1ll14m (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 22.54.05 # Maybe have raw disk access as an entry in the DB menu, configurable through tagnavi.conf? 22.54.23 # dan_a: That's what my vote is for. 22.55.12 # I think it would be nice to have an entry in tagnavi.config that allows to set filetype(s) (like music, playlists, etc.) or extension(s) and a new root folder 22.55.12 # hmm, that seems strange, i could've sworn it was moving sounds, because even a 2% adjustment to the balance makes a cymbal clash that used to be inaudible on the left, inaudible on the right 22.55.23 # i assume dan_as 22.55.30 # way would take less coding 22.55.44 Quit lini ("lini has no reason") 22.56.20 # bluebrother: Much like the check to see whether the Genre is equal to something, but instead whether the extension is equal to something, or the filename contains a specific string? 22.57.00 # yes, like that. But with the possibility to have a range. I'm thinking of the predefined "Music", "Supported" etc. 22.57.21 # bluebrother idea is like mine, since there is only (as of now) a few file types supported for each, mpeg and txt, it could be added to DB 22.57.27 # Llorean, bluebrother: Possibly use the viewer to group by filetype? 22.57.29 # and being able to configure a root folder would be nice for those people who want a specific folder e.g. for images 22.58.31 # bluebrother: Well that could be a "path" entry in the tagcache. 22.58.39 Part LithiumTR ("Ciao!") 22.58.50 # might be an idea. But that would require you to have a matching entry in viewers.config 22.58.54 # If you had tagcache include the path, filename, and extension, and gave the option to display by filename rather than "Title" that would about cover it. 22.58.57 # which is already pretty crowded 22.59.14 # * bluebrother thinks if there might be a better way grouping file extensions to one viewer plugin 22.59.56 # something like fileview : /Music : {Supported} or fileview : /My Music : {mp3,ogg} 23.00.11 # not sure how this fits into the current tagnavi syntax though 23.01.32 Join Alonea [0] (n=chatzill@24-117-195-16.cpe.cableone.net) 23.01.38 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 23.01.41 # i kinda have an idea, but i dont know how it could be encorporated 23.01.49 # "My Fileview" -> filesystem -> /starting/folder ? type = mp3 | ogg 23.01.58 Join DJRed2000 [0] (i=DJRed200@pool-72-82-245-85.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) 23.02.18 # bluebrother: I think it'd be better to just have tagnavie treat "path" "filename" and "extension" as it does tags. That would allow *most* of what you want already, I think, with some tagnavi editing. 23.02.26 # what about this 23.02.30 # http://depositfiles.com/files/513783 23.02.40 # why on earth would you want to browse the file tree IN the database? 23.02.42 # hi 23.02.44 # Ideally you would be able to do fileview : /My Music : {Audio}\n fileview : /Pictures : {Images}\n 23.02.50 # Zagor: For formats that don't have *any* metadata. 23.03.05 # Llorean, yes, I think that would be sufficient 23.03.07 # Zagor: As well as videos, text files, and other things that would normally require flipping back and forth. 23.03.10 # I repeat: then why in the database? 23.03.13 # then it should be sorted by file type, jpg, txt, .mpeg 23.03.16 # bluebrother: It would also keep things very consistent. 23.03.34 # ok, I did a silly thing. I usually listen to music before I sleep and I had the lcd setting to go off on 90 secs while hold button was on. Well, it would go off, but every couple minutes it would turn back on again. I was basically half asleep and I kinda turned off my lcd to the point of where I can't get it back on because I can't see the menus... 23.03.43 # the database is there precisely to handle metadata. without metadata, there is no point in adding files to the db. 23.03.46 # using {mp3,ogg} instead of having {Audio} should be ok. 23.03.47 # Zagor: Primarily because some people want to only use database, and I think indexing filename, extension, and path would allow a custom tagnavi to cover most of what they want without overcomplicating things. 23.04.01 # Technically those are Metadata anyway, in a way. 23.04.22 # Llorean: then fool them by adding a virtual folder that takes them to the file browser. don't spend code and sweat duplicating it in the db. 23.04.47 # Zagor: I don't think the files would be *in* the database, but rather the overall file browser would be changed so that Database and File views were mixed 23.04.53 # Zagor: The virtual folder that takes them to the file browser was the first suggestion. We were exploring other options. 23.04.53 # is the rockbox GUI written in C? 23.05.11 # dan_a: ok, then I understand 23.05.19 # but adding a virtual folder you can configure what files it displays (read: view) and where it starts is mostly the same, isn't it? 23.05.20 # Llorean: right. carry on :-) 23.05.37 # DJRed2000, yes 23.05.42 # with parts in assembler 23.05.49 # bluebrother: no, you're making it too complex. 23.05.56 # it wouldnt even have to be in the db, just link it to a default folder, like videos, just to show them in db view, but showing in a file tree view, is that what you were saying Llorean? 23.06.06 # ok 23.06.08 # hehe, might be. I tend to be a complex person :) 23.06.12 # Zagor: My personal favorite is a virtual folder in the database, and no sign of the database in the normal filetree, but that doesn't offer the kind of customizability people got used to with the tagnavi, so I was coming up with more flexible alternatives, if a bit fluffier. 23.06.28 # "people who want an /image folder" will simply create an /image folder. and we can already handle those. we don't need to mess up the database with that. 23.06.55 # Zagor just have it so that there is the db showing Music, Images, Text, Videos 23.06.59 # sure, but those people will expect when having a virtual folder "Images" in the DB view to open up that folder 23.07.16 Quit kyokon (Remote closed the connection) 23.07.30 # i think this is getting too complicated, ill just watch 23.07.35 # which in turn would require at least being able to specify a root folder for that virtual folder 23.07.38 # Doomed: why? what is the advantage in putting text files or images in the db? 23.07.57 # ease of use 23.07.58 # I prefer the DB to have only files with metadata, i.e. music 23.08.10 # it wouldnt necessarily be in the db 23.08.24 # Doomed: are you sure? you will surely confuse at least as many as you help, imho. 23.08.26 # but there would be the option in the db view to see those files 23.08.27 # It could be nice to add metadata to the database about videos, text files, images etc though... 23.08.40 Quit Siku () 23.08.41 Quit kubiix ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.09.00 # it would be a fully featured db then linuxstb and it could be easier to use 23.09.05 # * Llorean still thinks 'extension' and 'filename' at least qualify as metadata. 23.09.13 # i agree 23.09.35 # linuxstb_: do you know a standard for metadata in text files? 23.09.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.09.43 # or videos, or images for that matter 23.09.47 # Although I'm playing a little literal with a definition of the word "metadata" other than the one we seem to be using. 23.10.04 # Zagor: Videos can have it depending on their container, and same with images, at least jpeg. 23.10.06 # heh in windows you can add data to a txt file 23.10.21 # data != metadata 23.10.24 # :) 23.10.28 Join Jsunu [0] (i=8e3a4f0e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-10897ee8920f21dd) 23.10.29 # when people copy files to a folder on their harddrive, they expect to navigate the harddrive to find them. not a wonking database. 23.10.44 # Zagor thats besides the point 23.10.53 # people who dont want DB, dont have to use it 23.11.09 # Doomed: And people who are irritated with a missing feature in DB don't have to use it 23.11.10 # but we are thinking of ways to make the db better for those who want to use the DB 23.11.11 # Doomed: people who want DB, don't want the bugs you are about to add :-) 23.11.18 # Doomed: Any feature added to DB *does* cost non-DB users though. 23.11.22 # bluebrother: tex-question. IIUC "\screenshot" builds the patch to the image from what I defined plus - or -. For the Ondio manuals this leeds to duplication of _some_ files (where the screenshot differs from the other Archos but is the same for both Ondios). Would it be possible to have it search for - additionally to avoid that (and would it be worth the effort)? 23.11.41 # Doomed: I think you have failed to identify the people who "want to use the db" 23.11.44 # im not irrated, im just saying stuff could be added 23.11.49 # Zagor: See, I think adding 'filename' 'extension' and maybe 'path' as just 3 more database entries won't be likely to add bugs as long as they're treated exactly like tags. 23.11.54 # or maybe I wasn't here then 23.12.01 # well if nobody wanted the db it surely wouldnt be in the firmware would it 23.12.16 # Doomed: the db for non-metadata files. 23.12.38 # Zagor: We do get requests for it, so people can play their gameboy games. =/ 23.12.40 # Llorean: you miss the synchronisation aspect, for one 23.12.52 # Zagor: Synchronisation aspect? 23.12.52 # its been brought up that it doesnt need to be a db 23.12.54 Quit zylche (Connection reset by peer) 23.13.05 # Doomed: it could be like a ... directory tree 23.13.09 # pixelma, we could add another check for something like a player class 23.13.18 # your really arent adding to the conversation Zagor 23.13.24 # are all the GUI files kept in the \apps\gui directory? 23.13.48 # Doomed: And you aren't being respectful of other's views. 23.13.49 # hmm, are there different images between ondio fm and sp? 23.14.14 # Doomed: You're suggesting an idea that could make the code buggier, as well as inflating binary size thus affecting non-DB users whether they like it or not, to solve a problem of laziness. 23.14.25 # bluebrother: yes because of the radio (for example in the menu) 23.14.26 # DJRed2000, no. 23.14.31 # ok, sorry about not seeming to respect others views 23.14.35 # hmm. 23.14.39 # There is nothing preventing you from accessing your files now, you just want to have to go through about 3 less button presses to switch file view modes. 23.14.41 # (recording too) 23.14.43 Quit B4gder ("Leaving") 23.14.44 # would the size truely affect it? 23.14.50 # Llorean: yes, adding new files to the db means people need to rebuild/resynchronise the db when copying such files to it. standard procedure for mp3 files, not so common for .jpg files. 23.15.20 Join LithiumTR [0] (n=Lithium@client-82-26-25-16.winn.adsl.virgin.net) 23.15.26 # Zagor: Ah, well, I'm not really concerned about forcing people to reinitialize their database, but that's just me. As far as I'm concerned, the format isn't finalized yet. 23.15.34 # Anybody had any experience of shutdown problems with a 30GB 5.5 generation iPod? 23.15.46 # As for the update, it'll only happen if automatic updating is enabled. 23.16.02 # but if we used the idea of just shortcutting to a folder, it wouldnt add to the db at all right? 23.16.13 # Doomed: It'd still add code size to the binary. 23.16.16 # Llorean: ...and if not, people will be confused. "where are my files" 23.16.31 # hmm 23.16.43 # Zagor: Only if they don't know they're using the database, which seems like it would be odd. 23.17.27 # Zagor: I'm still in favour of the file tree 'link' being added to the database view, I just think if the files are going to be incorporated directly instead, that would be the way to do it. 23.17.43 # bluebrother: I'm not sure if we kept an eye on that but this should apply to recorders and fmrecordrs too 23.18.38 # Llorean: I'm definitely in favor of a link, and very opposed to adding them to the db. 23.18.58 # Zagor: Aye, I'm not "very" opposed, but I favour the link. 23.19.07 # linking to one big file tree? 23.19.10 # * amiconn would prefer the db to be a virtual directory in the filetree root 23.19.16 Quit LithiumTR ("Ciao!") 23.19.56 # bluebrother: oh.. no we didn't... the pure "Recorder" manual shows a screenshot with a "FM radio setting" in the main menu screenshot... 23.20.02 # amiconn: clean implementation, but that makes searching a mess. 23.20.02 Quit Jsunu ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.20.19 # Zagor: in what way? 23.20.40 Join Aquatrini [0] (i=44cf6be7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e305a93386492616) 23.21.15 # amiconn: combination searches would need duplicated data, would it not? (ie. "pop < 1992") 23.21.35 # for recorder vs. fmrecorder the use of \specimg could solve that 23.22.00 # * amiconn wonders what database searches have to do with the filetree, or where the db is hooked 23.22.04 # we could even use \specimg always for recorder screenshots and leave the size for ondio 23.22.07 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 23.22.12 # and when needed separate them ... 23.22.33 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 23.23.00 # amiconn: meh, I misunderstood you completely. i thought you referred to an old-school pseudo-db implementation in the file tree... 23.23.16 # damn, time is too fast today :( 23.23.24 Quit Mouser_X (Connection timed out) 23.23.30 # Hi, if anyone here is working on the sansa, I posted a datasheet for the audio chip in the sansa forum. 23.23.42 # bluebrother: I'm not sure I understand at the moment 23.23.58 Quit Wikipedia-Gast27 () 23.24.17 # we have 4 targets at the same resolution. So we need to decide which is the "generic" screenshot 23.24.43 # currently I think this is recorder, and everything else uses the specimg if a different image is needed 23.24.48 # Aquatrini: Does that give details on how to use the chip, or is it just the 3 page features document? 23.25.13 # It just looks like the product brief to me... 23.25.21 # but we could use -recorder and -recorderv2fm (which is already defined), and leave the images without specimg to the ondio shots 23.25.46 # Aquatrini: "The material herein may not be reproduced, adapted, merged, translated, stored, or used without the prior written consent of the copyright owner." as well 23.26.00 # for screenshots that are identical to all targets it doesn't make a change, and for the others we need to have a look anyway 23.26.44 # bluebrother: ondiofm and ondiosp is also already defined. I just tried to think of an easy solution that avoids duplicates 23.27.01 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 23.27.18 # that's what I am searching for too ;-) 23.27.33 # ok, ok 23.27.41 # so the question is which players share the most pictures 23.28.04 # hehe.. ok. It's only that I don't know much about latex so far 23.28.09 # the distinctuion could also be dynamic ... 23.28.31 # that's more an organization thing atm. 23.28.49 # I could extend the macro, but it's a bit messy quite yet because of all those checks 23.29.12 # Aquatrini: Thanks for your help, anyway :) 23.29.26 # bluebrother: I thought the easiest was something like the check you proposed first 23.29.33 # btw, maybe we should decide which theme to use for screenshots. 23.29.35 Part Aquatrini 23.30.20 # theme? 23.30.22 # as the default font is quite tiny for the larger sized targets. I think using iCatcher as general theme wouldn't be a bad idea 23.30.36 # Rockbox theme. 23.31.14 # ah... but then the wps is explained while "looking" at the default 23.31.27 # currently the fonts e.g. are a bit mixed through the screenshots 23.31.37 Join gotthardt [0] (i=86868803@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b329f2500d7ae564) 23.31.38 # (without a screenshot though) 23.32.03 # we would need to (a) adjust that or (b) mention both in some way 23.32.33 # it would solve the small fonts on large displays to some degree 23.32.41 # it should be mentioned either way IMO 23.33.08 # and, as I hope iCatcher gets default somewhen in the future, we would already have the matching screenshots :) 23.33.28 # iCatcher wouldn't explain peakmeters... 23.33.36 # good point. 23.33.56 # I still have adding a "all shipped themes" page in the appendix in my head 23.34.28 # one wps and one main menu screenshot, and a short (like two lines) text for every theme 23.34.55 # could also give the reader a better impression of themes when starting 23.34.59 Join CpuWhiz [0] (n=eric@cpe-66-87-222-218.co.sprintbbd.net) 23.35.26 # yea.. would be nice 23.38.09 Join lavi1 [0] (n=lavid@c-24-13-228-86.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.38.34 # Can anyone tell me how you go about reverse engineering an LCD driver? 23.40.02 Quit funky ("leaving") 23.40.08 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@81-202-211-251.user.ono.com) 23.43.16 # good night all :) gonna sleep :) 23.43.29 Nick w1ll14m is now known as w1ll14m|away (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 23.43.45 # So, I requested the datasheet for the AS3515 in the sansa players and was told that I could have the datasheet if I signed an NDA. Is there anything I should/could say to the contact at austriamicrosystems at this point, or should I just let it drop? 23.44.40 # lavi1: you could always try to explain the situation, how the document under an NDA is worthless to us 23.44.55 # oops, forgot to change my nick... 23.44.59 Nick lavi1 is now known as lavid (n=lavid@c-24-13-228-86.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 23.44.59 Quit Alonea ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 23.45.19 # you could read the nda too, maybe it expires 23.45.24 # lavi1: "I represent an open source project. While I could agree not to disclose the document itself to others, code created from it would by necessity need to be open. If there's an agreement we could come to as to what may or may not be disclosed in this code, I hope to at least be allowed some information." 23.45.29 # lavid: you could ask why they don't want you to tell people how great their products are. but I doubt you'll even get an answer to that. 23.45.58 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 23.46.11 Part DJRed2000 23.46.22 # yeah, there are cases where people sign NDAs but still are allowed to release source based on it 23.46.23 # lavid: What Llorean said, but I would imagine that you personally would have to write the initial audio driver 23.46.35 # I listed my company as my University... maybe I could use that to my advantage somehow? 23.47.23 # lavid: and just to make sure you know, we have found out it is the AS3514 we want ;-) (but it is likely to be very similar) 23.47.27 # so, should I request the details of the NDA? 23.47.36 # Bagder, yes, I read your post 23.47.46 # sure requesting it won't hurt 23.47.46 # I don't think it would hurt to have the NDA details 23.48.34 # additionally, has the mysterious "MrH" found anything re the DAC? 23.48.59 # MrH got the data sheet... 23.49.31 # Did he sign an NDA? 23.49.49 # no 23.49.59 # maybe his contract says something about it though :) 23.50.07 # but it says it isn't for disclosure and he doesn't want to distribute it 23.50.33 # * bluebrother just noticed he got a svn test checkin notification mail 23.51.13 # yeah, commits work and even the commit mails now 23.51.29 # What's next? 23.51.48 # And what's left? 23.51.51 # i hasard a guess on handing out passwords to devs 23.51.53 # please email me your current CVS username and your (new) preferred password 23.52.00 # what do i win? 23.52.00 # how much is left? 23.52.05 # okay, so I should simply request to have the NDA sent to me? Nothing else at this point? 23.52.24 # lavid: yes I think you should start with that 23.52.56 # That includes not mentioning the reason I want to obtain the datasheet, correct? 23.53.09 # yes, save that 23.53.47 # Okay, I'll respond now. 23.55.20 Join ElPenguin [0] (n=ElPengui@82.31.8.227) 23.55.26 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 23.55.28 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 23.55.33 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c92df000dea9970c) 23.55.38 # hi, rockbox hangs a lot on my 1st gen nano, is there any way out of that? 23.55.49 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.55.49 Nick w1ll14m|away is now known as w1ll14m (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 23.57.35 # ElPenguin: What do you mean by "hang"? Does it freeze completely (requiring a reset with MENU+SELECT) ? 23.57.41 Nick w1ll14m is now known as w1ll14m|away (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 23.57.53 # * Bagder giggles after seeing www.linux4nano.org 23.58.06 # try the encryption section 23.58.13 # very thorough 23.58.22 # isn't the 1st gen Mini affected by the frequency scaling bug? 23.58.55 # pixelma: Yes, it is.