--- Log for 29.01.107 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.19 # hohooo, hohooo 00.00.33 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 00.03.39 # ahhh, \Q it is. 00.03.53 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 00.04.01 # hcs: You here? 00.05.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.06.41 Part Llorean 00.08.43 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 00.11.59 Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.13.14 # sansa e200 users just have to reach a new Rockbox record in number of bricks due stupidity 00.13.47 # seems to be a few almost daily 00.14.44 # I should start buying the bricked players. 00.15.17 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.15.28 # Bagder: the installation process is dangerous if you aren't careful? 00.15.40 # not really 00.15.47 # but these guys play by their ear 00.16.01 # and runs every imaginable weird thing 00.16.17 # if they would just follow the instructions it would be no problem 00.16.38 # the instructions are very clear if *read * 00.16.39 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.16.42 # most people seem to have an aversion to actually following instructions.. 00.17.19 # * mattzz bricked his sansa as well. Anyone? 00.17.35 # $10 00.17.43 # problem is not so much *what* to do, but *what not* to do 00.17.58 # mattzz: Have you tried using e200tool to recover it 00.18.00 # mattzz: deviate from the instructions :) 00.18.15 # I replaced it. Up and running again. Lessons learnt 00.19.00 # Bagder: doesn't it have some sort of failsafe mode? 00.19.03 # that could be a really long list of what not to do "DO NOT copy bmp files to the recovery partition" "DO NOT ect ect" 00.19.08 # That is the reason I created http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting 00.19.15 # foolsh: do not throw in fire 00.19.21 # lol 00.19.31 # foolsh: after throwing in fire, your player will be very hot 00.19.46 # Mikachu: yes it does, but you can mess it up while in that mode 00.19.52 # ah 00.19.58 # I simply wasn't aware of the possibility to brick it while in recovery mode. (And it was quite late at night). 00.21.40 # I can hear you guys... yeah, I am stupid. ;-) 00.21.51 # haha 00.22.05 # is it really bricked then or can you still fix it somehow? 00.22.11 # i mean you don't seem so upset about it 00.22.16 # Is there a howto de-brick an e200 with e200tool? you know just in case. 00.22.20 # Mikachu: I replaced it. 00.22.27 # I think it's only in the last month or two we've found out how easy they are to kill. 00.22.34 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.22.52 # foolsh: not really, but zefie posted some details on how he did it 00.23.03 # mattzz: bought a new or warranty? 00.23.09 # A recovery mode that allows to break things even more isn't very helpful imho 00.23.37 # Mikachu: warranty... 00.23.51 # it is helpful, just not helpful enough 00.23.51 # that explains your unupsettedness :) 00.24.27 # amiconn: It seems like any MI4 file it finds it will write to the firmware partition, and possibly anything else it will write as the bootloader 00.24.45 # Mikachu: :-) 00.25.37 # Playing with the recovery mode seems to be quite normal for Sansa users. Ooops, copied the wrong file. 00.26.27 # Are the theme-modifications related to the bootloader as well? 00.26.48 # * mattzz has no clue how the theme stuff works 00.27.16 # * amiconn thinks that if you can break the thing in recovery mode, sandisk did *something* wrong 00.27.38 # * Bagder agrees 00.27.55 # mattzz: yes it involves modifiing the orginal mi4 file from sansa 00.28.01 # which I guess is also why they so easily replace units for people 00.28.20 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.28.34 # mattzz: are you referring to the theming of the OF or of Rockbox? 00.28.41 # All our targets have a varying degree of bricking protection 00.28.53 Quit shnee ("Konversation terminated!") 00.29.03 # If a device implements a dedicated recovery mode, I would expect it to be brick proof 00.29.14 # Bagder: I was referring to thesansa.com people who do a lot with themes 00.29.44 # mattzz: when they do it on the OF, they binary-patch the OF and generate a new mi4 from it 00.29.54 # isn't that a thing they could fix in their next firmware upgrade? 00.30.05 # (mi4 decrypting of course thanks to mi4code...) 00.30.41 # Mikachu: yes they can, as the recovery mode is apparently in the bootloader which they can and are updating 00.30.43 # it would be a pretty clever place to check the mi4 encryption has a valid signature 00.30.44 # ah, so they do not have to mess with the BL 00.31.17 # From all targets I've seen, the iaudio X5 seems to have the best bricking protection 00.31.18 # Mikachu: they do check 00.31.26 # but .bmp files pass? :) 00.31.27 # just that the algorithm has a weakness 00.31.36 # and we exploit that 00.31.49 # The next ones are the archoses and ipods 00.33.03 # Bagder: Nice phrasing on the warning on SansaE200Install 00.33.06 # but in fact, MrH did his first approach by patching the bootloader to accept a real key that was used to sign the mi4 with 00.33.12 # :-) 00.33.15 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 00.33.49 # at least now we can say we told them 00.35.06 # it seems nobody has lost their disk label since the fix, maybe the bug about that can be closed? (5217) (looking at the 3.0 bugs for fun) 00.36.08 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Khe!!!") 00.36.51 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 00.37.49 # * Bagder leaves for bed 00.38.07 # n8 00.38.35 Quit mattzz ("Leaving") 00.39.09 # I have a question that may seem a bit noobish, but here goes. If I write a program, and I use ifdef target_has_sroll_wheel then I use ifdef No_scroll_wheel. During the compile for my target that has the scroll wheel, are the bits that are in the No_scroll_wheel function still get compiled in or are they left out? 00.40.28 # parts in #ifdef are included or left out completely before the file is passed to the compiler stage 00.40.58 # thanks Mikachu 00.41.34 Quit wooo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.42.16 # foolsh: Just a style note - target_has_scroll_wheel and No_scroll_wheel are mutually exclusive, so you could use "#ifdef has_scroll_wheel" and "#ifndef has_scroll_wheel" 00.42.35 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B96CF7.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.43.25 # I figured that.... it was just that a have no style yet :-) 00.43.40 # s/a/I 00.43.50 # syntax error 00.44.51 # well I've been up for 20+ hours i think its time for bed 00.45.30 # or #ifdef HAS_SCROLL_WHEEL ... #else ... #endif 00.49.06 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 00.50.12 # but before I go does any one know who wrote cube.c and how i may contact them? 00.50.39 # it should be written in the header 00.50.52 # * Copyright (C) 2002 Damien Teney 00.50.52 # * modified to use int instead of float math by Andreas Zwirtes 00.50.52 # * heavily extended by Jens Arnold 00.51.03 # the last one is amiconn 00.51.13 # cool thanks 00.53.23 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.55.03 # I'm toying around with a 3d rockbox logo but my xyz data does not show up like want it to.. kinda like the y and z are transposed have'nt figured it out 00.55.57 # using cube.c as a base 00.58.09 Quit midgey () 01.05.05 Quit Redbreva ("Time for Tubby ByeBye") 01.07.15 Quit ender` (" that was like the worst song i ever tried to translate... birds chirping, yodeling, yelling, minyou and opera should NOT be c") 01.13.16 # foolsh: some people take up as (0,1,0) others as (0,0,1) 01.13.28 # in 3D stuff in general 01.13.31 # so its entirely possible :p 01.14.14 # some more done on the irc reader: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl 01.14.45 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.14.54 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.19.22 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 01.22.51 # why are some of the timestamps hyperlinks? 01.23.40 # so you can link to a specific line/time 01.23.44 # ahh, all the actual people-talk timestamps are links, still don't know why, but at least I see the pattern. 01.23.51 # ahh, nifty. 01.24.09 # does changing colour style work yet? or is it just me? 01.24.25 Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 01.24.25 # works for me 01.24.34 # what browser are you using? 01.25.11 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.25.29 # FF 2 01.25.37 # It worked after I refreshed the page. 01.25.43 # but not originally. 01.25.47 # ok 01.26.07 # perhaps you did not get the css the first time 01.26.22 # i tried adding the left-side menu, which removed the css temporarily 01.27.14 # yes, I can believe that, as I can not for the life of me reproduce. 01.27.15 Quit entheh ("^~") 01.27.45 # the nick colour algorithm needs some love. if anyone feels like playing a bit with that, feel free. we need colours that look good on blue, black and white. and preferrably colours that are different from each other too... 01.28.05 # "look good" = readable 01.28.27 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 01.28.34 # and the number of colours is variable. 01.29.31 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.32.15 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.32.35 Quit combrains (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.33.17 Quit JdGordon_ ("Konversation terminated!") 01.34.03 Join terinjokes [0] (n=terin@wikinews/Terinjokes) 01.34.23 # yay! I finally compiled rockbox correctly! 01.35.12 # congratulations :) 01.35.15 Quit g33 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.35.45 # I don't know why I cared, speaking its just faster to download the zip... 01.36.53 # well the satisfaction of doing it yourself is nothing to sneeze at 01.37.07 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.38.01 # it teaches you valuable life lessons =) 01.38.54 # Any of the gigabeat devs around right now? Another question from the noob. 01.39.19 # RTFM 01.39.27 # ;) 01.39.39 # Soap: While I haven't actually checked the manual for this one, I'm reasonably certain it's not there. ;) 01.39.48 # Zagor: i like this reader.. what would be useful colorwise? a batch of easy-to-read RGB values atop this blue background? 01.39.53 # Llorean: semi-around :) 01.40.17 # midkay: either that, or an algorithm I can use in the perl script 01.40.21 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.40.26 # markun: The line-out: Is it at the level it's at because of a hardware limitation, or can it be adjusted in software like the iPod line-out, and we just have it locked? 01.40.48 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 01.40.49 # Zagor: can't help much with an algorithm :) but i can certainly get some good-looking colors for you... 01.40.53 # Zagor: What's the link for the page? 01.40.57 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 01.41.02 # Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl 01.41.33 # Man, I get an _ugly_ brown. 01.41.39 # brown?? 01.41.53 # It looks brownish on my screen. 01.41.57 # At least against the blue 01.41.58 # oh you mean your nick? 01.42.02 # Yeah 01.42.09 # Sorry 01.42.14 # yeah, the nick colours need more work 01.42.30 # reload if you're not happy with it :) 01.43.52 # Llorean: it's software controlable 01.44.33 # markun: Thanks. Just trying to wrap my head around a few ideas. 01.44.49 # Llorean: what are you planning to do? 01.45.02 # * terinjokes wonders what colour he is 01.45.13 # terinjokes: random, right now. 01.45.25 # Llorean: on my screen, its all white... 01.45.39 # granted i'm running in lynx... 01.45.43 # terinjokes: the colours are simply randomised 01.45.53 # markun: Well, for my personal use, the controls for my speakers are distant but the gigabeat remote is very nearby. So, for me, having it adjustable in software would be better, since I'll only use the line out in that setup. 01.46.10 # * scorche says something to get a color 01.46.13 # markun: Just set the speakers so that at line-level it's too loud, and then decrease the on-gigabeat level to a usable one. 01.46.30 # like the iriver line out 01.46.30 # oh...randomized =/ 01.46.56 # markun: Essentially yes. In my opinion it should default to staying at line-level, but an option somewhere could just have a Yes/No to whether it matches the "Volume" as opposed to being locked. 01.47.10 # People expect a "Line-Out" to be line level. 01.47.15 # Hey, you guys are working with a Austrian company, right? 01.47.36 # scorche: although some kind of crc method would be quite nice, so nicks get the same colours over time 01.47.45 # terinjokes: some of us guys might be, yes 01.48.55 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.48.57 # RGB could be 150-(1st, 4th, 7th etc letters) or (2nd, 5th, 8th) or (3rd, 6th, 9th) as a simple idea? 01.48.58 # well I'm a wikinews contributor, and looking at our stats, we have lots on austrian (and australian) readers 01.49.08 # there, now nobody can link to "current" 01.49.19 # Add the 1st, 4th, 7th letter, then modulus say 128? 01.50.03 # Zagor: here are 10 colors that are readable and good looking against that color: http://pastebin.com/869870 01.50.50 # midkay: thanks. but yesterday there were 160+ nicks, not counting those with css-illegal names... 01.51.23 # That would generate (legal characters)^3 colors, though there would be some repeats of course. 01.51.26 # I think a good checksum/hash algorithm is the best solution 01.51.28 # And I'm not sure how they'd all look. 01.51.51 # Llorean: definitely worth playing with 01.52.24 # I was gonna go try it, and then I remembered I don't have apache installed to play with any more. :) 01.52.33 Quit [shodan] ("Why do we even have to have quit messages ?") 01.52.37 # Zagor: ah, alright.. keep in mind that generally only a few people are active.. half or more of those were surely webguests, many of which who didn't say anything or just a couple lines. (we don't have that many truly active users in here.) 01.52.55 # midkay: I'm truely annoying (if that counts) 01.53.00 # midkay: no I'm talking about the number of nicks who were active yesterday 01.53.11 # i.e. present in the log 01.53.24 # you could make all the webguests one color 01.53.27 # Zagor: right.. and how many of those said more than about 2 lines? 01.53.40 # and yeah, i think webguests should be all one color (gray or something).. i was just going to say that. 01.53.58 # Zagor: You could let people choose their own colors via the IRCnicks page, on a first come first server basis, and then randomly assign from a select range of colors for anyone who hasn't picked one. 01.53.59 # midkay: does it really matter? the goal is to make everytime more readable, including one-liners 01.53.59 # You could also possibly use the hostmask to mark the rockbox devs in a different colour 01.54.00 # we could also color only prominient members of the community...color those with a cloak basically? 01.54.13 # s/everytime/everything 01.54.18 # scorche, a rockbox cloak? 01.54.27 # terinjokes: yes 01.54.39 # might make it easier to skim for important stuff in the logs 01.54.49 # exactly 01.55.04 # yes, I've thought about that too. 01.55.22 # and i dont mind if everyone who comes in asking where they download rockboy is grey 01.55.24 # For that, you could just have a list at the beginning of the logs for "Names Seen Today", and clicking them could bold lines by those names. 01.55.39 # I'd need a nick database though, since the cloaks are only seen on join 01.55.39 # how about an option to only show messages? no quit or join etc 01.56.03 # Llorean: yes, I've been thinking about some options like that. 01.56.10 # Zagor: i have a list of all the recent cloak additions i made last time 01.56.42 # i could bug a staffer for a full list 01.57.00 # what do you guys think about the color. do we need the black and white themes? they make the colour options much more limited. 01.57.10 # the background, I mean 01.57.11 # lets not 01.57.32 # although i think white on back would make the site more readable than light blue 01.57.35 # Actually, I think white on black expands the color options a lot 01.57.35 # Zagor: there were 2300 lines in yesterday's log. 01.57.49 # i think someone speaking one line of that can stand to have a repeated color... 01.58.07 # Llorean: yes, but having several different backgrounds limit them 01.58.23 # xchat's white-on-black scheme allows a lot more colors.. light blue doesn't really allow for much variety.. no light colors, all must be dark and most are more or less black. 01.58.23 # Zagor: is there anything you can do for people like me (limited color vision) 01.58.24 # midkay: the colour is not for the speaker, but for the reader 01.58.27 # Zagor: why not just white on black then? 01.58.52 # Zagor: I second "White on Black" being the only viewing option. 01.58.57 # markun: I don't know. what would make it easier for you? 01.58.57 # * JdGordon hates white on blak schemes... 01.59.03 # markun: lines blinking at different rates? =P 01.59.15 Join webguest62 [0] (i=46e28bba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4d262a5addc93700) 01.59.23 Quit webguest62 (Client Quit) 01.59.48 # Zagor: to not only change the hue but also the brightness 01.59.50 # Rockbox! 02.00.22 # markun: on nicks or on everything? 02.00.47 # just for the different colours you use. But I don't know how much it will help. 02.01.27 # Zagor: a tad off-topic, but two things i want to note: (1) the SVN builds page doesn't have a left-side site navigation bar like every other page has, and i think it really should.. and (2) if SVN builds page is replacing/eliminating Daily Builds, maybe the download links beneath the chart (icons for each model, etc) should be actually above the chart.. 02.01.33 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.01.50 # the chart might confuse people looking for downloads. if it's first on the page, it's what they'll look at first. 02.02.05 # i second the nav-bar 02.02.13 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Leaving") 02.02.22 # how hard do you guys think, or would it even be feesible to add compact flash support to rockbox 02.02.36 # such as replacing a hard drive with a compact flash card 02.02.42 # midkay: Now that it's labelled 'Current Builds' I can't imagine it confusing them too much, since above the chart is text telling them the builds are below it 02.02.44 # the missing navbar is simply because the build site is on a different server from www.rb.org. it should be there, it just needs fixing. 02.02.49 # BiptoN: you already can 02.03.00 # i just tried puttin one in my X5 02.03.03 # lol 02.03.05 # Zagor: that's what i'm saying - fix it ;) 02.03.07 # get ata error -11 02.03.09 # midkay: Though honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been a "Where are the daily builds?" request in the past 6 hours. 02.03.21 # Zagor: for example, now scorche, Llorean and markun have the same colour (but not for you I think?) 02.03.44 # markun: The page randomizes colors at the moment, nobody can see what colors you've received anyway. 02.03.45 # markun: correct, the colours are randomised each reload, so I can't see yours 02.03.58 # oh, sorry :) 02.04.08 # Llorean: hmm.. well, two things. (1) i don't think people are going to look immediately at the (small in comparison) sentence at the top saying "below are the builds" when there's a massive, bright green and red (!) table taking up 80% of the screen.. 02.04.10 # and I know the colours are currently bad. they are sometimes hard to read for me too. 02.04.24 # midkay: This is possibly true, yes. :) 02.04.32 # and (2) developers are the only ones who want to see the table, compared to (hundreds?) of users who just want the build.. 02.04.48 # so i think, when prioritized, the downloads should come before all the developer details. 02.05.20 # It doesn't really make a difference to me. 02.05.25 # of course, the dev information is still there, it just isn't the first thing people see when they arrive. they can still get there by scrolling down a few lines... 02.05.39 # I just don't think it will confuse users any more than the old "Daily vs SVN builds" question did 02.05.39 # right, i'm just trying to picture a user coming to this complicated table and wondering what to do. 02.05.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.06.03 # click on the green and red buttons? what's this "build log"?.. 02.06.25 # "score"? what on earth? 02.06.42 # What about the idea that users should be encouraged to read at least a little bit on the way to downloading Rockbox, so they maybe get in the habit of doing it before they get to a step that can mess up their player? 02.06.43 # :-P 02.07.04 # haha. 02.07.08 # honestly though.. 02.07.22 # It's true, swapping them would make it slightly easier on normal users I suppose. 02.07.30 # join/leave filter added 02.07.43 # but i like the table! 02.07.54 # terinjokes: it'd still be there. 02.08.33 # midkay: Though the SVN build page does have the disadvantage that if a build is in progress, not all targets show up in the table. It'd be really nice if users *had* to read that sentence anyway. 02.08.49 # don't move the sentence, just the table?.. 02.09.19 # "Below are the current SVN build downloads. If your build doesn't appear, wait 5-10 minutes and refresh." -> table of downloads beneath -> chart of build statuses beneath that. 02.09.34 # The table also shows that a build is in progress. I'm not arguing either side honestly, as I said, it doesn't make a difference to me, but I think there are merits to either way. 02.09.49 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 02.09.58 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.10.03 # * Llorean wants the color 4f3ac4 02.10.40 # i know what you're saying. :) 02.10.54 Quit funky ("leaving") 02.11.09 # my final word is just that, for probably 90-95% of our user base, the table is entirely unhelpful and uninteresting. 02.11.41 # (you could maybe have a bold, centered bit of text that says "builds in progress" above the download table if that's your concern..) 02.12.16 # A blinking, red, bold, all caps "BUILDS IN PROGRESS, COME BACK IN 5 MINUTES IF YOURS ISN'T HERE"? :-P 02.12.29 # listen, if the developers want the table at the table, i can make a nice little userscript/userstyle that displays it on top 02.12.32 # haha. 02.12.34 # table at the top* 02.13.06 # Llorean: from a webdeveloper point of view, blinking things aren't nice 02.13.16 # terinjokes: Mostly I agree that the users will prefer the builds come second. I just want both sides fully weighed so that if users start coming in asking where the build is for their player I can tell Midkay I told him so. 02.13.26 # terinjokes: Also, the blinking thing was a joke. 02.14.05 # though I can understand the red and bold :P 02.14.28 # And now I have to meet some people. Good luck with the stuff. 02.14.29 Part Llorean 02.14.47 Quit BiptoN ("Leaving") 02.14.54 # bye and bye! 02.14.56 # Llorean: all things considered, we're building for a total of maybe 45 minutes out of a 24-hour day. considering the smallish number of users that might stop by during that time, a *large* (like 18 or 24 point) bold centered "builds in progress" warning should tide them all over. 02.15.59 # LOL i got to love the simpsons "Revenage of the GEEKS"...LOL 02.16.19 # scorche: if you can get me that list of cloaked users, I'll see what I can do with it 02.16.22 # sorry, went off topic 02.16.38 # ...but now I have an appointment with my pillow 02.16.43 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 02.17.30 # alright 02.18.28 # must be night time in europe... that means tea time here in australia 02.20.49 # ok, those ATT commericals are getting annoying 02.22.07 Quit robin0800 ("If you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people.") 02.24.03 Join Jsunu [0] (n=Jsunu@d154-20-129-186.bchsia.telus.net) 02.25.01 # hey Jsunu! 02.25.07 # hi 02.26.22 Join Vyrus001 [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-69-231-43-211.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 02.26.34 # Welcome to #rockbox! 02.30.23 # LOL, The Simpson episode was in tribute to everyone who did in Star Wars, they've got some humour... 02.30.56 # terinjokes: welcome to #rockbox! 02.31.06 # where we talk about things rockbox-ish 02.32.11 # scorche: well we weren't talking about anything, and I already said "I'm truely annoying (if that counts)" 02.33.57 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.34.09 # and freenode doesn't have a '#simpsons' 02.36.18 # * JdGordon wishes to bomb my uni 02.37.08 # JdGordon: can I get your university's security phone number and your student number? 02.37.25 # :) 02.37.42 # parking permits have gone from 90$ to 280$ because of stupid VSU 02.38.05 # holy ouch 02.38.10 # Hey, if anyone remembers my problem I was having today... I'm still having it 02.38.20 # terinjokes: you already have his name.. 02.38.30 # not his uni :P 02.38.57 # search the logs to find it 02.38.58 # for those of you who don't remember: I have a H10 20GB, I built my own build and any time I try to boot, right after it shows "Sum: ..." in the bootloader, it just resets 02.39.09 # scorche: i don't have a web browser :P 02.39.37 # TrueJournals: you got rockobx.h10 on the player? 02.39.39 # TrueJournals: does the offical build have the same problem? 02.39.42 # or whatervt the rockbox. file is? 02.40.16 # I have all the proper files on the player, and it boots fine after it resets like 5 - 10 times 02.40.31 # offical build or your build? 02.40.40 # my build 02.40.43 # try offical. 02.41.02 # OK, Hold on a second... 02.41.21 # if offical build of the bootloader and rockbox don't do it, then your build has problems 02.42.00 # you mean if they do work? 02.42.29 Quit inversions (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.42.54 # brb 02.43.38 # Bromine Boride 02.44.41 # Bromine Boride? 02.45.11 # the chemical formula is 'BrB' 02.45.17 # got it 02.45.32 # I'll have to start using that one... :-p 02.45.54 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.153.196.53) 02.46.37 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.46.51 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 02.47.07 # Trying with my bootloader, official build (latest SVN) 02.47.20 # and that worked 02.47.23 # darn... 02.48.08 # I have a feeling the kernel_on_cop7 patch is what's causing the problem... (I have that, scrolling margins, and some game patches installed) 02.49.31 # it's possible 02.49.42 # The weird thing is... with my build, the version number is 20r(...), and with the official build, the version number is r(...). Anyone know where the build number is in the source, maybe something's haywire there... 02.49.44 # cop on PP players has been difficult to get working from my best understanding 02.50.04 # It's been working fine until the latest build with the kernel_on_cop7 patch 02.50.23 # well, cop support is very exparmental 02.50.23 # whenever i try to install patches, i just get 'HUNK FAILURE' or something like that 02.50.35 # yeah 02.50.52 # and a lot of people have been reporting SLOWER performance with the latest patch... 02.50.52 # hm 02.50.55 # i mean, i'm using a build of rockbox that's near a month old becuase it's got working cop support 02.51.03 # lol 02.51.05 # but i have an ipod. 02.52.16 # ah, yeah, the version number seems to be the problem... when it resets, the version number is 20r(...), but when looking at the version when it boots successfully, the version number is r(...) 02.52.35 # i don't think that would cause a problem 02.52.42 # i think you goofed when you built it 02.52.53 # I wouldn't think so either, but I did everything like I normally do 02.53.42 # * dewdude shrugs 02.53.48 # i'm not a programmer 02.53.51 Join smize [0] (i=46aba1c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-be101a9628ba6233) 02.54.07 # did they come out with a new build for rockbox yet? 02.54.30 # did you look at the website? 02.54.47 # did they make a mpeg viewer yet? 02.55.04 # i repeat....did you look at the website? 02.55.07 # yes 02.55.14 # apparently you didn't look very hard. 02.55.15 # wondering if it works or what 02.55.18 # smize: basic mpeg support, yes 02.55.32 # cool 02.55.43 # u guys know anywhere else to find some themes 02.55.48 # besides rockbox.org 02.55.57 # forums.rockbox.org... 02.56.02 # besides that 02.56.10 # www.rockbox-themes.org 02.56.19 # i said besides that..... 02.56.26 # isn't that the same stuff? 02.56.31 # pretty much 02.56.31 # you didn't, but whatever. 02.56.33 # smize: this is not the place to ask such questions like that. 02.56.38 # hwy not 02.56.39 # why 02.56.41 # all the inforation you seek can be found in the website or on the forums. 02.56.44 # its a rockbox irc 02.56.45 # becuase, this is a support channel 02.56.45 # smize: i think you've found them all then 02.56.50 # not "i didn't read the website" channel. 02.56.55 # im jw if someone else found more settle down 02.57.06 # smize: the forums is the place for that. 02.57.09 # rockbox irc bro 02.57.11 # this is a technical support channels 02.57.15 # so 02.57.18 # kater 02.57.20 # later 02.57.28 Quit smize (Client Quit) 02.57.45 # I applied a patch to add rockboy support for the H10, and I'm trying it out... and my only question is... is the sound supposed to be really messed up? 02.57.54 # dewdude: perhaps we should change the topic "TECHNICAL SUPPORT CHANNEL ONLY, PLEASE READ THE WEBSITE FIRST! SVN transition completed, any quirks left?" 02.58.08 # wait a minute 02.58.13 # TrueJournals: i wouldn't think so... 02.58.42 # nobody ever looks at the topic 02.58.46 # i don't have that ability. but the devs hate when there's idle chat and simple stuff like that asked in channel becuase they log everything 02.58.49 # (sound) "still choppy because rockboy is not at full speed" 02.58.52 # nevermind 02.59.06 # ...yes 02.59.21 # and i might change the topic to something like that a bit later.. 02.59.55 # there is the possibilty of an onjoin message with chanserv, and you could create ##rockbox 03.00.03 # I read the topic (in #gentoo-ppc theres always interesting programs to test) 03.00.17 Join Nimdae [0] (n=nimmeh@66-190-67-191.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 03.00.21 # argonel, there's an alternative rockbox channel created for users to chat in, but no one goes in. 03.00.23 Part TrueJournals 03.00.32 # #rockbox-community 03.00.44 # it's been tried before as well with sad results. 03.00.51 # Welcome, Nimdae, to #rockbox, community general discussion is in #rockbox-community 03.01.23 # this is why there is #kde and #kde-devel 03.01.24 # stop welcoming people please... 03.01.59 # it was impossible to keep the nondevs out of #kde, so the devs left 03.02.34 # wow, i got welcomed here 03.02.50 # see scorche, it makes people happier 03.02.58 # actually 03.03.01 # i was a bit annoyed 03.03.23 # exactly ;) 03.03.36 # "hey nimdae, how's it going?" is more in line to what would make me happier 03.03.43 # that looked more like spam ;) 03.03.57 # "hey, welcome to this channel! come to my channel too!" 03.04.37 # * Nimdae wanders off into rockbox.org 03.05.06 # that would of been funny of the channel had been terinjokes', but it's not. 03.07.51 # well, in all honesty, i would look at the topic to find where alt channels can be located 03.08.14 # at least, that's how it's been done in the 10+ years i've been on irc ;) 03.08.33 # god, every time i realize it's been over 10 years, i feel old 03.08.58 # Nimdae: you missed the statement shortly before you joined, "nobody ever looks at the topic." Which is of course is not true. 03.09.01 # Nimdae: its ok, I feel old too (wow! I've been on this thing for 10 years!) 03.10.07 # when i join a new channel, i always read the topic ;) 03.10.43 # In most clients, its big and in your face whenever you join a channel 03.11.03 # heh, not in irssi 03.11.22 # it just kinda scrolls by 03.11.29 # It's basically not visible in the CGI::IRC page either 03.12.00 # anyway, i'm gonna ignore this for a bit while i work on updating ipod 03.12.11 # is the bootloader worth updating given the recent changes? 03.12.50 # well, i guess that doesn't matter when my ipod isn't being detected by my computer 03.13.38 # which is most likely because my ipod appears "dead" 03.14.14 Join jba [0] (i=cb30655b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6f5f7e39357ece62) 03.14.26 # hey guys 03.14.36 # anyone seen sloth or gotthardt around? 03.15.22 # markun: my gigabeat X definitely seems to be waiting till the screen has faded in to register the key press beep when i set lcd disable on 03.15.48 # if i don't disable the lcd on fade out, then as soon as i press the key i hear the dbeep and th gigabeat skips to next song 03.15.56 # regardless of whether crossfade is set on 03.16.06 # well...guess i need to find out why those usb ports don't work 03.21.09 Quit zefie (Remote closed the connection) 03.22.43 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@222.76.229.178) 03.26.23 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.29.01 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.30.44 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.31.33 Quit jba ("CGI:IRC") 03.31.39 Join BiptoN [0] (n=BiptoN@dsl092-050-020.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 03.33.07 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B970C1.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.36.44 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 03.38.40 Join phrozen77_ [0] (n=phrozen7@pD9EC6453.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.39.33 Join phrozen77__ [0] (n=phrozen7@pD9EC6482.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.47.49 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 03.51.10 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 03.51.19 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 03.54.23 Quit phrozen77 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.13 Quit phrozen77_ (Connection timed out) 03.57.09 Join Munchkinguy [0] (n=GabrielH@wnpgmb11dc1-171-247.dynamic.mts.net) 03.58.03 # I'm a bit confused... Why is it that Rockbox can be distributed in binary form, but LAME cannot? 03.59.05 # are you refering to MP3 encoders? 03.59.18 # yes 03.59.22 # who said lame couldn't be distributed? 04.00.18 Part TrueJournals 04.00.20 Join shnee [0] (n=CurtyD13@216.54.146.10) 04.00.50 # tsuyoshi: "LAME developers state that since their code is only released in source form, it should only be considered as a description of an MP3 encoder, and thus does not infringe any patent by itself when released as source code only [2]. At the same time, they advise obtaining a patents license [3] before including a compiled version of the encoder into a product." 04.00.59 # - Wikipedia 04.01.51 # does rb have a patent license? 04.03.57 Join illriginal [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 04.04.45 # I doubt it 04.04.49 # no 04.05.00 # Distributors under the GPL also grant a license for any of their patents practiced by the software, to practice those patents in GPL software. 04.05.07 # the license has a per-unit fee 04.05.11 Quit Everybody|away ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 04.05.24 # nobody is going to pay that for gpl software 04.05.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.06.48 # how much is that fee? 04.06.55 # Is there a patent-free version of rockbox? 04.07.36 # I don't know.. probably $5 or something 04.08.25 # munchkinguy: there wouldn't be any point.. all the devices it runs on have an mp3 license anyway 04.08.31 Join fejfighter [0] (n=jeffro21@d58-104-155-219.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 04.08.33 # ah 04.08.48 # *That's* how it works 04.09.02 # ok, does the UISimulator have a patent? 04.09.04 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 04.09.13 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 04.09.38 # tsuyoshi: That's smart. 04.12.15 Quit fasmaie (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.19.34 # Munchkinguy: I believe software patents don't apply to Europe which is where most of Rockbox is developed. 04.20.59 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.24.17 Quit fejfighter () 04.25.52 Quit Jsunu ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") 04.33.27 # ? software patenst dont apply in yurope? 04.36.18 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 04.39.26 # JdGordon: Also, there are very few in Canada. 04.41.52 Join zefie [0] (i=proxy@24-105-220-68.cm.mhcable.com) 04.44.49 # .JdGordon, AFAIK no, the euros don't recognise software as being patentable. That may be changing soon though. 04.50.03 # I'm looking at http://tinyurl.com/yryrh7 , and if I'm reading this correctly, it means that the patent has not yet been issued. Is this right? 05.00.40 # ah ok 05.02.50 Quit spiorf (Remote closed the connection) 05.06.21 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 05.06.33 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 05.07.34 Join andrewg_ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0122w-142162044203.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 05.09.09 Quit BiptoN ("Leaving") 05.15.46 # I know this is offtopic... but does anyone know where i can get a DCC server for my linux box? 05.16.39 Quit Munchkinguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.17.23 # if you knew it was off-topic, then why ask? 05.17.41 # was hoping someone knew 05.17.49 # illriginal: we have a lovely channel for offtopic conversation, #rockbox-community 05.18.05 # and there are plenty of other channels on freenode 05.18.48 # well, if he particularly thinks someone in the rockboxsphere might know 05.19.13 Quit andrewg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.19.19 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 05.26.18 Join webguest75 [0] (i=ddba59a3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b963386414219737) 05.31.07 # soap you around ? 05.34.53 Part webguest75 05.36.50 Quit illriginal ("Konversation terminated!") 05.37.42 Join jamesshuang [0] (i=44219091@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f761459ad9d99864) 05.38.30 # hey everyone... totally random idea 05.38.42 # but is it possible to build some sort of an ipod accessory adapter for other mp3 players? 05.38.56 # no 05.39.11 # we dont even know how the accessory protocol works entirely... 05.39.22 # most of the rockbox targets have their own remotes, so perhaps it might be possible to create a small circuit that would convert apple accessory protocol to the target remote code 05.39.30 # http://stud3.tuwien.ac.at/~e0026607/ipod_remote/ipod_ap.html 05.39.30 # In theory other players with serial ports could *possibly* use them. 05.39.48 # but we would have to understand the protocol first.. 05.39.59 # well even without a serial port, perhaps just a small circuit that can convert it to whatever the remote sends out... 05.40.11 # that's a LOT of hardware engineering 05.40.17 # jamesshuang: If you're talking about using Apple accessories with Rockbox players, all Rockbox needs to do is know the protocol, and have an adapter that adapts the pinout to fit that needed by the accessory (assuming it's physically possible) 05.40.30 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.40.34 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B96241.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.40.45 # But it's a subject that should be discussed about 3 years from now. 05.40.46 # for example, I have these wireless headphones with play/pause buttons, and the reciever has an apple plug 05.41.20 # perhaps we can make a small circuit to convert the apple serial into a gigabeat remote code 05.41.58 # Llorean: I'm asking my EE friend right now what kind of circuitry this would require... how would I find out about the gigabeat's remote codes? 05.42.35 # jamesshuang: What gigabeats remote codes. Are we talking in-Rockbox? Rockbox can speak whatever accessory protocol you want, as long as you actually *know* the protocol, which we do not for apple accessories. 05.43.40 # the gigabeat remote is just an input on an ADC of the cpu 05.43.57 # Llorean: I'm thinking about a more low-level approach, since these headphones really only have three buttons - skip forward, skip back, play/pause... all it needs to do is convert the apple signal (which seems to be a serial code) into whatever rockbox understands currently as the corresponding button press 05.44.47 # if you are looking what is available as signal input and uotput on the gigabeat, just look the gigabeatinfo page on the wiki 05.45.36 # jamesshuang: Why do you *need* a custom circuit to do the job of software? 05.45.45 # the only thing is that we were not able to find the connector of the dock station in small quantities 05.46.25 # Llorean: well... because the apple accessory port has 8 pins, and as far as I counted, the gigabeat only has 4... 05.46.30 # If you know what code Rockbox will be receiving in serial, then you can tell Rockbox what to do when it receives it, rather than trying to convert it to something. 05.47.08 # H120 looks like it has six pins 05.47.36 # Do we even know how many of the dock port pins the iPod uses to communicate via serial? 05.47.52 # well, it looks like I need at least 4 dedicated serial pins somewhere to make the 3G ipod connector work 05.48.02 # http://pinouts.ru/Devices/ipod_jack_pinout.shtml 05.48.52 # toffe: that is a consideration... where would we get these crazy connectors? 05.50.01 # Llorean, that same site has this http://pinouts.ru/Devices/ipod_pinout.shtml 05.50.26 Join Abcminiuser [0] (n=dean_cam@ppp36FB.dsl.pacific.net.au) 05.50.27 # direct from the maker, it seems that there are used only on the gigabeat and also on the toshiba pda e800, e805 e400 05.50.45 # Anyone familiar with Rockbox's API for saving settings? 05.50.52 # let's make it simple... what happens on the gigabeat when I press the "play" button on the remote? what kind of signal is sent? it looks like a passive one, since there's no power 05.51.20 # Abcminiuser, best just ask your question 05.51.26 # it is a voltage level on an adc input of the cpu 05.51.41 # Ok, 'tis thus: 05.51.58 # safetydan: 12, 13, 21, and maybe 18 then? 05.52.09 # I've spent the morning making my own RockBox build for my iPod G4 (b&w), using the latest SVN 05.52.11 # Llorean, that's what it looks like to me. 05.52.23 # I added in a few patches, including the one working iPod piezo one 05.52.31 # toffe: so that somehow changes the voltage to a specific range, and that corresponds to one keypress? 05.52.46 # Unfortunately the beeps were hard-coded with no settings for it, so I added it 05.53.03 # I've been able to add it myself, so that you can turn it on and off via the settings menu 05.53.20 # But I can't figure out how to save the settings to disk, to make them persistant between restarts 05.53.31 # jamesshuang : yes 05.54.18 # toffe: ahh... awesome... is there a table somwhere that lists, for example, "0.6V-0.8V = Play"? 05.55.01 # Abcminiuser, did you update things in settings_list.c and settings_list.h? Things have changed recently, but that's where I think you need to look now. 05.55.13 # jamesshuang : you should look in the code, I don't know where it is exactly or ask markun 05.55.18 # jamesshuang, probably the source code is your best bet, unless there's something in the wiki 05.56.06 # safety, I'll give it a look 05.56.26 # I was able to add in a new entry to the english lang file for the settings string, and added a new boolean to the global_settings struct 05.56.43 # But I couldn't see any easy API for saving the settings, so I'll go over it again 05.57.40 # Also, who decides to incorporate patches into the mainline? There's a few which work perfectly, but haven't been added for months/years 05.58.25 # Hmm... Honestly, I'm rather unhappy with the Debug menu on the gigabeat. 05.58.40 # It has two options which don't seem like they belong under "Debug" and the HW Info option doesn't seem to work? 05.58.46 # toffe: any idea where to even begin looking? I actually don't know where any of the remote-related code is... 05.59.11 # Abcminiuser: Which patches did you have in mind, there's often more to it than just "Working Perfectly" 05.59.28 # There's the MOD codec patch (for playing .MOD files) 05.59.43 # The simple patch to add the "Shutdown" menu item to the iPod menu (useful, if basic) 05.59.46 # here adc-meg-fx.c and here button-meg-fx.c perhaps in the firmware target directory 06.00.49 # Abcminiuser: The MOD patch still seems to be incomplete, based on the work being done on it. 06.01.13 # Abcminiuser: As for the "Shutdown" option, is there an issue with the button not working for some people? What problem exactly does it solve? 06.01.36 # Speeds up shutdown, for one 06.01.52 # Some people might prefer it, and it might help the blind 06.01.53 # toffe: thanks! I think I found it... I'll probably play with this sometime 06.02.55 # jamesshuang : if you want to do some hadware stuff I can help you, I am working on the usb host interface and we have a lot more ideas 06.02.59 # When the playback exceeds the total time by something like 45 minutes, 17 seconds, is it supposed to display --45:-17 on the bracketed time remaining, or isn't that supposed to be just -45:17. 06.03.45 # toffe: that sounds great... this might be something interesting to consider for a usb interface even 06.03.46 # Abcminiuser: I think it's not included because nobody working on the project has felt it's a particularly useful patch overall. There's a general feeling of "You shouldn't add 'features' if they just do exactly the same thing as something else." 06.03.55 # Or maybe they just haven't noticed. 06.04.06 # Generally for a patch to be included, the patch Author has to bring it to the attention of interested devs. 06.04.07 # (All of the emulation codecs that allow a song to play endlessly, do that.) 06.04.14 # Well, I suppose it's easy enough to patch it myself each time 06.04.15 # The list is just too long for people to remember everything on it. 06.04.31 # caitsith_2, probably a bug if it's displaying negative for both parts of the time 06.04.38 # caitsith_2: Which codecs exactly? 06.04.48 # What about the piezo patch then? 06.05.15 # Works fine (I'm working on the settings entry now, all #ifdef'd correctly for portability) and is useful 06.05.41 # Abcminiuser: I assume by the fact that you're working on it, that the patch doesn't have the portability changes in it yet? 06.05.47 # Abcminiuser, which one? There's two in the tracker. 06.05.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.06.12 # Only one syncs with the current code - I think it's the one named ipod_piezo.patch 06.06.14 # safetydan: As far as I'm aware, the "Emulation" codecs would only be SPC and NSF, and NSF works fine. 06.06.17 # Spc codec, by hcs. 06.06.25 # Set the repeat to repeat one. 06.06.38 # caitsith_2: Which is a *patch*. The progress bar should never reach negatives,in any included codec. But it's not done yet. 06.06.41 # Abcminiuser, fs# 5111? 06.06.55 Quit hcs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.07.18 # I'm checking now, one second 06.07.44 # caitsith_2: If a patch doesn't function properly, such as showing impossible times, you should report it to the author by way of posting a comment on its entry in the patch tracker 06.08.46 # hmm... I guess I'll have to figure out the baseline voltage for the ADC... I found the levels required for the button presses, but I don't know where it's connected and how much voltage I should put through it 06.08.52 # Is that what rockbox is supposed to display though, if a negative time is ever reported for time remaining? 06.08.56 # jamesshuang : if you check the pinout of the connector of the gigabeat, you will see that we have a lot of possibilities 06.08.59 # FS#6490 06.09.15 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.09.39 # Abcminiuser, what makes that one better than 5111? 06.09.48 # jamesshuang : we have the i2c, i2s, 2 adc input some gpio the usb host 06.09.54 # caitsith_2: Negative time should never, EVER be reported. 06.10.10 # toffe: that's true... there seems to be a lot of interesting things that can be done with these crazy dock connectors, haha 06.11.06 # 5111 doesn't sync currently 06.12.02 # Abcminiuser: And 6490 is hardcoded. A BAD option. 06.12.15 # Ok, I'll work on re-syncing 5111 then 06.12.17 # 5111 looks like it has settings support already and has been used by more people. Either way, neither patch looks ready for inclusion. 06.12.24 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 06.12.28 # safetydan: 6490 is hardcoded. You can't disable it. 06.12.29 # I just hope it has a settings entry... 06.12.40 # This is an example of what is displaying. 3:18:40 / 7:42 (--10:-57), for the song that I have been listening to just as long. 06.12.47 # You can, by putting in a flag check into the piezo routine 06.12.55 # Abcminiuser: But the *patch* doesn't have it. 06.13.06 # For a patch to be included, it has to be ready for inclusion, in most cases. 06.13.16 # It can't be "I've done part of the job, here, you guys should do the rest when you add it in" 06.13.29 # Especially for a minor feature like Piezo. 06.13.35 # caitsith_2, you'll want to report that bug to the SPC task on the tracker then 06.13.40 # Where it only affects a subgroup of players. 06.13.48 # I know, hence why I'm working on it 06.14.00 # jamesshuang : just find the connector , for the moment, I use this one http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/adet.to?coid=-27312&poid=265291 06.14.06 # If I re-sync 5111 and add in a settings menu item, will it be incorporated? 06.14.22 # caitsith_2: As I said to you before, and safetydan said to you again, report it on the entry. Rockbox should never display negative times. The bug is that it shows as negative, not the format the negative time is in. 06.14.32 # jamesshuang : it is just 10$ but you have to unsold a small circuit 06.14.33 # Abcminiuser, maybe. Depends on if one of the other devs is interested. 06.14.51 # (I won't do it since I don't have an iPod to test on) 06.14.54 # Abcminiuser: If it doesn't come with a performance cost, slow the interface down, or seem buggy when people try it after it's resynced, then probably. 06.15.10 # Neat, and it looks like it already has settings entries 06.15.16 # Just needs to be re-synced 06.15.43 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-214-4-245.asm.bellsouth.net) 06.15.58 # You also have to catch the attention of someone who's willing to run over the patch, make sure it seems acceptable from a coding style standpoint, and that the implementation fits into how we'd like it done. 06.16.20 # I remember last time piezo discussion came up, the way it was implemented (for example, making sure it clicked once per menu entry moved) was a concern. 06.16.22 # *sigh*, perhaps I'll just re-sync and leave it then :P 06.16.32 # how much has been done on optimizing rockbox so far? 06.16.46 # EbErT, lots. 06.16.52 # nah, go for it Abcminiuser 06.16.57 # Maybe be more specific. 06.17.05 # battery wise? for ipod 06.17.06 # Abcminiuser: Well, what do you expect. A patch can't be just 'let in' because it works from a user perspective. It has to fit on a lower level too. 06.17.26 # i know it runs a heck of a lot smoother, less hd access 06.17.29 # Yes, yes, I understand 06.17.51 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 06.17.53 # EbErT, ah, now that I don't know much about. There's some work going on to get both cores working which should help batter life. 06.18.05 # I'm just used to writing projects by myself, with no burocratic process behind changes ;) 06.18.08 # battery even 06.18.17 # hm, okies 06.18.25 # weee 06.18.32 # * midgey has custom palettes in rockboy 06.18.44 # palettes? 06.19.07 # the colors the make up each sprite and layer 06.19.16 # s/the/that 06.22.11 # midgey: Can you allow user defined sprite and background palettes? My understanding is that they're separate. 06.22.43 # they're compiled in, right now i have about 15 palettes 06.23.53 # problem is, there are four layers, and a layer has 4 colors, each containing a red, green, and blue part 06.24.49 # i thought that was slightly unwieldy to input 06.26.55 # I dunno. Preset ones like the GBC had might be nice, but I think people will want to customize. You could just leave a framework in and let someone else come up with a good customization method 06.27.35 # but thats more work :P 06.28.42 # :-P 06.28.48 # You don't _have_ to do anything. 06.29.02 # I won't tell anyone you chickened out. 06.30.28 # i prefer: "devoted my time to something else important" 06.30.31 # or something 06.31.19 # Hehehe 06.31.22 # Fair enough 06.31.51 Join Brunellus__ [0] (n=luigi@ip70-187-209-128.dc.dc.cox.net) 06.34.33 # Ok, I've got a hunk here that I can't sync :S 06.34.41 # you mean something more important... 06.34.57 # Settings.c, the original place it's supposed to be inserted to doesn't exist, not does anything similar to it exist 06.35.22 # caitsith_2: thanks for the bug report, hadn't thought of that 06.35.23 # Abcminiuser, try settings_list.c or .h maybe 06.36.00 # EbErT: rockboy is pivotal part of rockbox! its completely required for operation :P 06.36.03 # hcs: What does cutting the wave short cause? 06.36.21 # basically the whole way that settings worked change in the last few days so patches will probably need a bit of work to resync 06.36.56 # So I see, because the none of the macros exist anymore :P 06.37.04 Quit hcs ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 06.37.12 # anyone have a .gbc i could have real quick? :D 06.37.31 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzzzz") 06.39.41 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.40.09 Part mako 06.40.11 # fine, no soup for u! 06.41.17 Join fejfighter [0] (n=jeffro21@d58-104-155-219.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 06.41.20 # Hmm, think I've got it, S_O is now GS, and it belongs in settings_list 06.41.28 # I'll try to build now, wish me luck! 06.41.59 # g'luck 06.45.22 Part jurrie ("Leaving") 06.47.50 Quit Brunellus (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.48.51 Quit dpassen1 () 06.49.44 # wee... so my friend and I already talked through the remote implementation in hardware, and it might be closer than I thought 06.49.48 # * Llorean cannot find a feed reader that doesn't hate the Rockbox feed. 06.49.58 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p54B17181.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.50.01 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.50.04 # I already have a microcontroller I can play with to read in the serial inputs 06.50.29 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m204.net81-65-15.noos.fr) 06.51.48 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 06.55.05 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 06.55.18 # Oh, an AVR? That's the only kind of microcontroller ;) 07.00.23 # Abcminiuser: you got your settings_list code working? 07.01.10 Part toffe 07.02.01 Part EbErT 07.02.59 # Checking now, just build (Cygwin takes FOREVER!) 07.04.07 # Built with warnings, but those are just cast warnings, I can fix them later 07.04.08 # I 07.04.17 # *I'll chuck it on my iPod now 07.04.48 Quit jamesshuang ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.06.13 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 07.06.27 # Woah, doesn't like that 07.06.36 # Keeps looping :P 07.07.08 Quit Rob222241 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.10.26 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.11.27 # Furthermore, why on earth is the settings for it placed in the LCD settings menu!? 07.11.51 # New submenu in General Settings seems more logical to me 07.14.27 Join webguest77 [0] (i=8506cf9d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3b4a2b8be7de0c79) 07.15.39 # Hi there. I'm using rockbox on an iAudio x5. I seem to have messed up the firmware. It says "Loading Firmware" then powers off with "Result -2". Any ideas how to fix this? 07.17.32 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 07.21.57 # Web, wrong version? 07.21.58 Quit fejfighter (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.22.08 # Did you make sure to download the correct version for your player? 07.22.24 Join jurrie [0] (n=jurrie@adsl-70-136-80-186.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.22.34 # Ok, fixed the warnings 07.22.49 # Still no good - once it starts clicking it loops and doesn't stop 07.22.56 # And the settings doesn't seem to make any difference 07.23.49 Join fejfighter [0] (n=jeffro21@d58-104-155-219.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 07.24.06 # Nor are the settings persistant between resets :P 07.26.25 # Abcminiuser: Thanks for your help, I figured out the problem. I had damaged the VFAT file system by unplugging before unmounting which messed up the .rockbox directory. I fsck.vfat'd it, re-installed, now it works. 07.36.41 # Ah screw the whole damn thing, I've no idea what the problem is 07.37.44 Part safetydan 07.39.17 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.43.12 # Can anyone advise me how to use the pcm_record_data functions? My callback seems not to be getting called. 07.46.43 # Does the backlight intentionally fade out in less than 2 seconds, if the battery is low? 07.47.08 # caitsith_2: Update to a newer build, and see if it still does that 07.49.44 # hooray, progress! i just finished adapting 7-segment LCD mode for the clock to use all bitmaps.. 07.49.56 # Currently don't have a compiler setup, and since the spc patch is not commited yet, I have to wait for hcs to build a newer build. I am using his patch 22, with SVN 2007/01/28. 07.50.07 # Right, I think I understand how the piezo code works now 07.50.10 # Ipod video port. 07.50.24 # caitsith_2: Well, you can *try* it with an official build to see if it still does it. 07.50.39 # You don't need the SPC patch to see if the backlight works in what way with low battery. 07.57.18 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.57.30 # What's the debug print function for rockbox? I need to print text to the LCD to see what state the thread is in 07.57.31 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.59.12 # I guess I will have to wait till next time battery is low to check for that behaviour. My battery just went dead. 08.00.32 # Does anyone know anything about pcm_record_data? Do I have to call it continuously or just once to start? 08.06.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.06.21 # webguest77: Generally speaking the IRC channel is more regarding discussion. If you have a question that may require specific knowledge from one or two specific people, a post to the developers mailing list is more likely to be successful 08.08.03 # OK, thanks! 08.10.57 # A simpler question - if I call yield() in a plugin will Rockbox automatically resume my thread exactly where it left off later? E.g. if I have a loop while(1) { dostuff(); rb->yield(); domorestuff; } will that work? 08.11.15 # Abcminiuser: show me your patch if you want a hand with the settings bit 08.11.54 # webguest77: yes 08.12.00 # JD: I want to fix up the better patch rather than the hard-coded one 08.12.19 # I can't figure it out tho - it beeps, but loops forever 08.12.26 # Mikachu: Hm, ok, thanks. 08.12.53 # just like in a real os :) 08.13.13 # Is the proper place for my while(1) loop plugin_start? 08.14.00 # yeah. 08.14.16 # after the few 'standard' plugin setup calls. 08.14.18 # Abcminiuser: is it looping because of the settings, or something else in your patch? 08.14.43 # I can't figure that out :S 08.14.51 # :) 08.14.58 # Must be something in the calling, since the code looks fine 08.15.04 # Try yourself - FS5111 08.15.46 # Do I have to use rb_create_thread for proper scheduling with yield()? 08.15.52 # Just cast to intptr_t for the three lines that give warnings 08.15.59 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 08.16.12 # Anyway, I'm giving up 08.19.23 # webguest77: no 08.20.33 # Ah, really? OK. I'm using metronome.c as the simplest plugin to base my plugin off of. 08.20.44 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 08.20.57 # metronome.c has all its processing in a while(1) loop in plugin_start 08.20.57 Part kaaloo 08.21.16 # If I call yield() in that situation, Rockbox will return to the middle of my loop later? 08.22.25 # I'm asking because yield() seems to abort my loop, but I'm not sure if I have other bugs that might be causing that. 08.27.59 # sorry, forget that, yield() is working, it's the pcm_record_data that's seems to be acting strangely. 08.28.52 Join webguest15 [0] (i=4b12dd1c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e5dc956902013a97) 08.30.44 # JD, still there? 08.30.46 # i have an iriver iHP140 with rockbox installed (jan 8, 2007 version). all was running smoothly, until the device hung today. i'm unable to switch it off. anyone able to help? 08.32.09 # webguest15: Use the reset pinhole in the bottom. 08.32.37 # aha! i'll give it a go 08.33.26 # it worked - thanks!! 08.34.07 # that's what it's there for. :) 08.34.53 # i didn't notice it before - i was planning to let the battery just run down. reset is more elgant :) 08.37.32 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.37.32 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.37.52 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 08.39.55 Quit webguest15 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.41.38 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.41.59 # Ah.... pcm_record_data(), then while(1) { pcm_record_more() } seems to be the sequence 08.42.04 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 08.48.36 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.50.21 Join decayedcell [0] (i=792ccb40@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5037d8e97ba55181) 08.50.39 # just installed Rockbox on a friend's 4G Greyscale 08.50.50 # works great :p, much faster than my 5.5G 08.57.06 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 08.57.49 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.58.23 # Decay, are you using the no frequency scaling build? 08.59.17 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 08.59.30 Join bluebrother [0] (i=IcWGUUgb@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 08.59.32 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6494b236de016dde) 08.59.44 # webguest77: am i missing something, or will that loop never terminate? 08.59.48 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.59.48 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 09.01.27 # decayedcell, what's your interest in the langv2 patch? 09.03.11 # safetydan just to see if it works 09.03.42 # i just like checking out patches in the flyspray, patching my rockbox then trying them out 09.04.05 # decayedcell, okay, it's basically that the patch isn't really ready for prime time or non-dev use 09.04.27 # Decayed, make sure to turn off frequency scaling 09.04.34 # Otherwise it'll freeze occasionally 09.04.41 # on the 4G? 09.04.46 # Yep 09.04.53 # Abcminiuser i didn't apply the scaling patch 09.05.06 # safetydan okay then, but if you have anything else that needs testing i'll be happy to do it 09.05.33 # It's in firmware\export\config-ipod4g.h 09.05.38 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.05.48 # Comment out the define for freq-scaling and rebuild 09.06.24 # ah okay then I didn't realise thanks 09.07.24 # Abcminiuser do I do this for the 4G Color as well 09.07.41 # I have a friend who wants Rockbox on his 4G Color 09.08.33 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.10.30 Join jimboy23 [0] (n=jim@c-67-180-243-212.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 09.10.38 # sneakums: you are right, I have an extra button check in the main loop to see if the stop button is pressed 09.11.24 # however writing the incoming sound data to a disk file during the pcm recording callback seems to freeze my machine, hmmm.... 09.12.30 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-a4d08e7a68318918) 09.14.44 Join brainiac_ghost [0] (i=brainiac@evangilion.brainiacghost.co.uk) 09.16.04 # webguest77: IIUC, the pcm recording callback is called from an interrupt. You should do very little in that callback - just return a pointer to a buffer. The actual processing of the that data should be done elsewhere in your plugin. 09.17.32 # hey i have a question for the developers: is there any chance of development of rockbox for the toshiba gigabeat s series, and is there anything a non-programmer can do to help? 09.18.01 # jimboy23: Maybe, and not really at the moment. 09.18.19 # linuxstb_: is the FS5226 icode patch obselete or in SVN already? 09.18.29 # jimboy23: Development happens by users with those devices who decide to make it happen - Rockbox isn't ported on request. 09.19.08 # linuxstb_: Thanks for the tip, will try to rework my plugin that way 09.20.04 # decayedcell: It's just a forgotten experiment. 09.21.03 # linuxstb_: could you explain why removing icode can provide a speedup 09.21.34 # it doesn't? 09.21.41 # hmmm, so by Llorean's comment i take it there isnt much interest at the moment? i was hoping to rid myself of some of the problems of the native firmware. is there a specific kind of programming necessary to know for the development of the firmware? 09.21.46 # gaining boost means it's slower 09.22.23 # jimboy23: *potentially* you could give a player to someone working on a port with similar hardware 09.22.27 # or you could learn to code 09.23.18 # jimboy23: there is much interest, but clearly not enough for people to actyally start hacking on it 09.23.20 # jimboy23: Rockbox is in C. Hardware knowledge is helpful in figuring out how bits of the device work together. There will need to be someone clever enough to get the processor to run unofficial code. And assembly code of the right architecture for optimizing and low level stuff in many cases. 09.25.25 # overand: couldnt part with my player just yet 09.26.00 # Llorean: ahh, i guess thats beyond my one semester of java programming class... 09.26.05 # lol 09.26.11 # decayedcell: One problem on the ipods is the current use of long calls everywhere. Removing code from IRAM means we can remove the use of long calls, which will give us both a speed and code-size improvement, but that's offset by the slowdown caused by removing the code from IRAM. We should probably find a different way to remove the long-calls. 09.28.57 # linuxstb__: *all* functions are long called on arm atm afaik 09.29.21 # does the compiler know which function calls changes sections or only the linker? 09.29.28 # * Mikachu guesses only the linker 09.30.21 # I guess that's part of the problem 09.30.30 # We compile with -ffunction-sections which makes all function calls cross sections 09.31.01 # linuxstb__: I thought that you didn't think that moving code out of IRAM would hurt the PP502X targets? 09.32.05 Join lubiix908 [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 09.32.05 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.33.48 # so does development actually have to be done with the actual hardware, or can it all be done on some kinda of virtual mp3 player on the computer used to program/ 09.34.33 # jimboy23: The player is necessary for the most significant parts of porting. 09.34.57 # ahh, i see 09.35.59 # jimboy23: for all "high level" stuff we have simulators and all 09.36.19 # Not been able to reproduce the light dimming in less than 2 seconds, with latest build. (although battery may not be quite low enough for it.) 09.36.23 # porting in this sense is writing the hw-specific adjustments 09.36.35 # dan_a: That's why I wrote that patch. At the time, Rockbox had 74% boost with CVS Rockbox (for my test MP3) and 75% with all code removed from IRAM and long-calls removed. 09.36.38 # Actually, battery just died. 09.36.41 # caitsith_2: Well, it's not supposed to be there any more. As the changelog says. 09.37.47 # And hcs just built spc patch 24, into latest svn build. 09.38.12 Join gook [0] (i=c27f0812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-36f3e3887902bf54) 09.38.16 Quit Abcminiuser ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 09.38.58 # what text editors do you guys use to make patches 09.39.28 # hopefully nobody does that 09.39.29 # decayedcell: we use svn to make patches... 09.39.40 # well, im going to try and read up on assembly and see what i can do. maybe in a few months ill understand enough to help. other than that, im going to bed. goodnight all and thanks for answering my questions! 09.39.44 Part jimboy23 09.39.49 # sorry as in modify the code 09.39.57 # emacs! 09.39.58 # decayedcell, people use a variety of systems 09.39.59 # then make a diff 09.39.59 # vi 09.40.00 # vim! 09.40.07 # gedit 09.40.09 # * scorche was waiting for Bagder to say that 09.40.10 # and so forth 09.40.21 # the standard editor wars comments apply 09.40.32 # * linuxstb__ wonders if we should call them diffs instead of patches - to differentiate them from the binary patches used by closed-source software. 09.40.45 # linuxstb__: not at all a bad idea 09.40.49 # okay then who is editing on windows here 09.41.00 # what's that? 09.41.03 # :-P 09.41.06 # Hi. Could someone please commit the FS task 5967 (nimbus-19 font)? I when doing a clean RB install I deleted it. And it's not packaged in the official font pack. There haven't been any comments since some time hence I assume the font is rather stable. 09.41.07 # I'd go so far as to say linuxstb__'s idea is a really really good one, considering the confusion that exists. 09.41.09 # decayedcell: i edit on both 09.41.26 # scorche what do you use on windows / linux? 09.41.28 # decayedcell, there's vim for windows, but you probably won't like that 09.41.33 # Would actually have been nice to have low battery backlight timeout a custom option. 09.41.47 # gook: I'll have a look 09.41.58 # caitsith_2: if you want longer battery life, make the timeout shorter always 09.42.23 # decayedcell: i usually use vi or vim on linux, and source insight on windows....notepad2 as a text editor on windoww 09.42.38 # decayedcell: You might try ConTEXT as just a straight editor. 09.42.51 # or vim or emacs 09.43.03 # And on the related note: is there a page (wiki?) with samples of RB fonts? I've seen the rasher's page but haven't found *RB* fonts there. 09.44.12 # gook: I believe there are maps for most of the Rockbox fonts here: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ 09.46.06 # nimbus-19 committed 09.46.19 Quit brainiac_ghost (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.46.47 # Llorean: hey, that's it! Thanks! 09.46.55 # * bluebrother likes gvim on windows 09.49.12 # does anyone agree or disagree with this patch to mandelbrot? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4719 09.50.49 # Mikachu: Does it keep the current iteration setting, or the 'max' as the name suggests? 09.51.41 # in svn, if you lower the iter and zoom, the iter is reset, with the patch it isn't 09.51.49 # the variable name in the code is max_iter 09.51.54 # i hope that clears it up :) 09.52.04 # Then I like the patch 09.52.23 # I've had to wait through several repeat zooms before and it is an irritation. 09.52.36 # you browse fractals often? :) 09.53.08 # Just barely enough to be irritated by the way it works right now. :) 09.53.12 # oops, zoomed in too far and it freaked out 09.53.15 # Hah 09.53.18 Quit gook ("CGI:IRC") 09.54.10 # the "manual" and "mailing lists" page still has the old side menu 09.55.07 # now to select someone to poke for applying it to svn, maybe Bagder? 09.55.42 # I definitely think it makes the fractal less irritating. Especially on targets where it's really easy to zoom several times in one go. 09.56.56 Join combrains [0] (n=combrain@125-237-196-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 09.56.58 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.57.59 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A322.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.59.44 Quit Arathis (Client Quit) 10.01.28 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f304c8dae4138390) 10.06.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.07.27 Part predius 10.16.49 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 10.22.09 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 10.24.11 Quit midgey () 10.26.51 Join Abcminiuser [0] (n=dean_cam@ppp36FB.dsl.pacific.net.au) 10.27.20 Join dune2 [0] (n=dune2@LNeuilly-152-21-109-180.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.29.52 Quit combrains ("Rockbox Rocks :)") 10.34.51 Quit perplexity (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.37.27 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.38.39 # * LinusN found a nice longname bug in fat.c 10.39.17 # * petur hopes it is related to the label bug 10.39.19 # if a name spans 3 sectors, it will be messed up 10.39.44 # decayedcell: I do all my rockbox coding on windows, and I use ConTEXT 10.39.45 Join webguest16 [0] (i=3aa99c23@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9491b2426005ef5c) 10.39.58 # howdy 10.40.24 # it will be fixed with the upcoming ipod 80gb fixes 10.40.45 # anybody here using the toshiba gigabeat port ? 10.41.29 # webguest16: Did you have a specific question? 10.41.56 # decayedcell: also on windows a very good and light editor is Notepad2 10.44.24 # hurrr, did you just say 80gb fixes? as in... they got it working somehow? 10.44.48 # hachi: It's not working *yet* 10.44.56 # webguest16: yes, some people in here use it 10.45.02 # But it's now more or less a matter of time, I believe. 10.45.13 # Llorean: bleh... forums were supposed to be emailing me on updates... but it forgot about me again 10.45.25 Quit dan_a (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.45.37 # XavierGr yeah i'm using it atm pretty cool 10.46.14 # hachi: The forum emailing is very unreliable. 10.46.31 # hachi: i am working on the FAT32 driver for the 80GB 10.47.01 # LinusN: how much cursing is involved? and do you have enough money for booze when you finish? 10.47.27 # not much cursing at all, actually 10.47.36 # as for money, not a cent :-) 10.47.59 # what country are you in? more importantly, is it possible to wire you money? 10.48.37 # you can donate to the Rockbox project with paypal 10.49.01 # but in my case, money won't help me do it faster, unfortunately 10.49.27 # I'm not out to con you... I'm out to thank you for what effort has been applied so far 10.49.57 # then i suggest you donate to the project, it will indirectly support me 10.50.07 # levering engineers using the promise of money hardly ever works... I'm pretty sure we're a breed of apathy machines 10.50.12 # :) 10.50.17 # hehe 10.50.45 # money works, in sufficient amounts 10.50.54 # * petur wishes it were possible to donate time 10.51.18 # you basically have to top my regular salary 10.51.27 # Hehehe 10.51.35 # i've noticed in the source code that for the nano, video, mini 2G backlight fading via PWM is possible - however on other ipod targets such as the 4g color there is no define - is this because those models don't have a PWM or we don't know the hardware registers to control it on those targets 10.52.44 # I have my main while(1) {} plugin loop in plugin_start(). After I call yield() in my plugin, control only returns to my loop after a button is pressed. Is this normal? 10.53.01 # decayedcell: pwm isn't a hardware thing 10.53.06 # decayedcell: At least on my colour, the fade-in happens already - i.e. the hardware does it. 10.53.21 # Sorry, not fade-in, but fade-out. 10.53.46 Topic "enjoy the new leftside menu design" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 10.53.54 # but the stock firmware on nano does better pwm than rockbox :) 10.54.03 # In fact, fade-in seems to happen as well, but much faster than the fade-out. 10.54.20 # webguest77: sounds like you have a button_get call somewhere 10.54.25 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust351.brig.cable.ntl.com) 10.54.29 # linuxstb_ so its not possible to manually adjust the brightness for those targets? 10.54.46 # decayedcell: I don't think anyone has investigated. 10.55.01 # Bagder: thanks 10.55.41 # Bagder: goodie 10.55.47 # LinusN: I have button = pluginlib_getaction(rb,TIMEOUT_BLOCK, plugin_contexts,PLA_ARRAY_COUNT); would that cause this behavior? 10.55.51 # LinusN: did your ipod get damaged at all with your logic probing? 10.56.16 # hachi: i didn't do any probing 10.56.25 # also, do you mean you were actually using one of those tektronix/HP logic analyzers... okay nevermind :) 10.56.33 # webguest77: yes, TIMEOUT_BLOCK is the problem 10.57.07 # hachi: i have a "cheap" USB 16-channel logic analyser 10.57.28 Quit linuxstb__ ("Leaving") 10.57.28 # I'd love to hear about it 10.57.31 # :) 10.57.32 # LinusN: Aha. Thanks. I'll search for TIMEOUT_BLOCK, may be back here with some questions if I can't figure it out :-) 10.57.43 # *googles* 10.57.53 # Bagder: one remark: the daily/current build thing stays confusing. From the releases page there's a link to daily builds but from the left side just a link to current builds 10.58.19 # yes, it needs some further cleaning up 10.58.33 # also the build.rockbox.org pages still uses the wrong menu 10.58.57 # i don't see any menu there 10.59.09 # Mikachu: click a date 10.59.12 # hachi: it's a PKLA-1000, http://www.acute.com.tw/indexeng.htm 10.59.18 # o 11.00.02 # nice, arigatou gozaimasu 11.03.55 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 11.05.39 Join Darkrift [0] (n=ZERO@ip68-104-167-130.ph.ph.cox.net) 11.05.41 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.05.50 # hello 11.07.06 # on the gigabeat port which button saves changes when using the virtual keyboard ?? 11.07.52 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54965BBE.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.08.19 # anyone here with ipod video knowledge? 11.08.57 # Darkrift: it's much easier to just ask a question instead of trying to find out beforehand who might know the answer 11.08.59 # When I call pluginlib_getaction with TIMEOUT_BLOCK, my main loop in plugin_start() pauses after yield() until a button is pressed. When I call pluginlib_getaction with TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK, my callback function in pcm_record_data is not called. Is there any reason that pluginlib_getaction with TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK would stop pcm_record_data callbacks from getting called? 11.09.48 # webguest77: POWER I think 11.10.09 # i was more or less trying to find out of anyone was awake 11.10.10 # lol 11.10.19 # no, we all sleep 11.10.23 # markun: I'm not sure I understand. What do you mean by POWER? 11.10.27 # anyways, i just got a used ipod video 30g, and put rockbox on it 11.10.38 # what all video types does it support? 11.10.44 # webguest77: the upper button on the right side 11.10.58 # webguest77: no, there is no reason why your callbacks would stop, but you must handle timeouts in your action handling code 11.11.13 # markun: you are talking to the wrong webguest 11.11.13 # webguest77: ah, that was for webguest16 :) 11.11.21 # webguest16: so, press POWER ;) 11.11.30 # LinusN: they look all the same to me :) 11.11.41 # Darkrift only mpeg on rockbox 11.11.41 # Why don't they choose a normal nick.. 11.11.43 # markun, thank you very much. The port is fantastic 11.11.48 # hrmmm 11.11.50 # isnt xvid mpeg? 11.11.56 # webguest16: you're welcome :) 11.11.57 # LinusN: I'm not sure what you mean by "handle timeouts". Timeouts of what? 11.12.00 # does it have to have a mpg extension too? 11.12.07 # Darkrift: yes, only MPEG1/2 11.12.10 # Darkrift: MPEG-1/2, XviD is MPEG-4 11.12.11 # only run it for a day but already mightily impressed with it 11.12.11 # Darkrift: see PluginMpegplayer wiki page 11.12.19 # ty :) 11.12.19 # Darkrift: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 11.12.24 # ive read like 300 pages on this soo far 11.12.31 # was running in circles, thx for the help 11.13.05 # webguest77: setting a timeout other than _BLOCK will make the plugin_getaction() call return even when no button is pressed 11.13.18 # every forum i find says it plays xvid, but the device itself wont 11.13.22 # so i was very confused 11.13.38 # does the standard firmware play xvid? 11.13.49 # LinusN: Right. I'm just trying to make a simple audio recording plugin, with buttons for record, stop record, and play. 11.13.58 Join spiorf [0] (n=spiorf@host89-21-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.14.13 # Darkrift only MPEG1/2 11.14.19 # Xvid is MPEG4 11.14.22 # yeah 11.14.28 # LinusN: The weird thing is really just changing that _BLOCK to _NOBLOCK causes my recording callback (which stuffs data into a buffer to later be written by the main loop) not to be called. 11.14.30 # so thats the orig firmware AND rockbox? 11.14.45 # if you use the original firmware that plays MPEG4 and H.264 11.14.50 # oh 11.14.52 # Rockbox only plays MPEG1/2 11.14.55 # Darkrift: we don't normally discuss details of the original firmwares here, we talk rockbox 11.15.14 # webguest77: it will return ACTION_NONE, and you will have to call plugin_getaction() again 11.15.19 # too many original firmwares to talk about 11.15.23 # the timeout is in ticks 11.15.38 # i understand but i just had 4 ppl tell me that the firmware we are allowed to talk about wont help me 11.15.48 # LinusN: Do I have to call anything special to make enable my callbacks to be called, or is rb->yield() enough? 11.16.00 # Darkrift: then go ask apple about their firmware 11.16.08 # my question was more along the lines of "do i have to switch over to play xvid or can i do everything form rockbox" 11.16.20 # webguest77: use a timeout of, for example HZ, then you won't need a yield 11.16.21 # i wasnt trying to start a apple firmware discussion 11.16.40 # Darkrift: If 4 people told you Rockbox won't play XVID it's a clue that it won't. 11.16.48 # rockbox is not really superb in the video playing department (yet) 11.16.57 # LinusN: I don't need a yield to allow audio data to come back in? 11.17.00 # webguest77: pluginlib_getaction(rb,HZ, ....) 11.17.07 # omfg, you guys are asswads, im asking simple questions and you guys have attitudes leaking out your asses 11.17.10 Quit Darkrift ("Peace and Protection 4.22") 11.17.17 # webguest16: yes, but using a timeout will make it yield in plugin_getaction() 11.17.24 # sorry, that was for webguest77 11.17.33 # LinusN: I'm also writing the data to a file as it's being recorded. I don't need yield() after rb->write()? 11.17.42 Join dan_a [0] (n=dan-mirc@wormhole.domicilium.com) 11.17.45 # no you don't 11.17.53 # perhaps we should leave the default nick field empty in the cgi::irc web page... 11.18.07 # webguest77: but it sounds like you need multiple threads 11.18.12 # It might be helpful with the increased traffic we're getting these days. 11.18.14 # Bagder: good idea 11.18.20 # LinusN: Hmmmm. OK thanks for the information, I'll play with it some more. 11.18.20 # lol Bagder 11.18.32 # having this huge amount of webguests makes conversations confusing 11.18.47 # 2 isnt huge but point taken 11.18.48 # not huge exactly right now perhaps 11.18.49 # try nickcolor.pl 11.18.57 # ... there are only 2 in the channel atm.. 11.19.00 # I don't like colored nicks 11.19.10 # Bagder: "huge" being 2 at the moment :-) 11.19.15 # Even with colored nicks, it's a hassle using nick completion too. 11.19.16 # a huge 2! 11.19.34 # LinusN: i had a computer lab in a math course that claimed 13 could be regarded as infinity :) 11.19.44 # man i had forgotten how slow usb1 is 11.19.44 # 1, 2, many 11.20.14 Quit dan_a (Client Quit) 11.20.19 # lim(2->infinity, webguests) 11.21.17 # Mikachu: i didnt want to have to think about maths until at least maths when school goes back :P 11.23.21 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.23.33 # LinusN: How cheap is "cheap"? 11.23.52 # 1100EU when i bought it 11.23.53 # * amiconn thinks he should get himself a logic analyser 11.28.55 # 1100 eu is cheap?? Then again, I really don't know about logic analyser prices 11.31.02 # 1100EU is unfortunately in the cheap range 11.31.36 # they are probably cheaper now, but logic analyzers often cost quite a lot 11.32.24 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.34.29 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930744.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.35.47 Nick wooo is now known as anathema (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.35.51 # LinusN: Is this an 1116, 1216 or 1616? 11.36.12 # * amiconn found this: http://www.labequipment.nu/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=4&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 11.39.54 # amiconn: pkla1616 11.40.56 Quit inversions (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.41.09 Join _fejfighter_ [0] (n=jeffro21@d58-108-101-229.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 11.44.31 # hmm DarkDrift sure has a short temper :D 11.45.12 # indeed 11.46.16 # Yes, I wonder why he was so pissed off 11.46.32 # I thought the answers to his question were pretty clear 11.47.07 # they were very very clear 11.47.23 # Darkrift: If 4 people told you Rockbox won't play XVID it's a clue that it won't. - I think that ticked him off 11.47.43 Quit Criamos ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 11.48.13 # my question was more along the lines of "do i have to switch over to play xvid or can i do everything form rockbox" - he probably should have asked that first 11.49.09 # decayedcell: but he assumes you can play xvid encoded video with the apple firmware, which it not possibile, right? 11.50.18 # markun as far as I know it is 11.50.30 # markun as long as it is encoded correctly 11.50.43 # aha 11.50.55 # the ipod doesn't fully support all the features of H.264 either 11.52.10 # however, if his question was if the apple firmware could play Xvid MPEG4, then he should have asked the guys at apple, like Bagder pointed out xd 11.53.18 # Bagder does the Xvid decoder require an FPU 11.54.47 # decayedcell: Video on the 5G in the retail firmware makes use of another processor, manufactured by Broadcom, that we know very little about. 11.55.53 # what about on the targets that don't have such a chip, would you need to port an FPUless mpeg4 decoder or something 11.55.57 Quit fejfighter (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.56.05 # decayedcell: very few video decoders use floats afaik 11.56.36 # decayedcell: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2848 11.58.19 # JdGordon: around? 11.58.26 # hey 11.59.28 # Did you see my remark regarding id3 tag priority: (and possibly other bool settings) in the log? 11.59.32 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@87.13.120.42) 11.59.44 Quit spiorf_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.59.56 Join spiorf_ [0] (n=spiorf@87.13.120.42) 12.00.02 # settings_list has the correct options "v2-v1,v1-v2", but the settings writer and reader don't use it for booleans 12.01.08 # wow thats a very old FS entry :P 12.01.29 # Also, using strtok_r in the reader might cause problems, as it changes the string it searches 12.01.48 Join JdGordon_ [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.01.51 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.02.03 # sorry amiconn, comp crashed 12.03.55 # amiconn: strtok_r was taken out wasnt it? 12.04.05 # ill fix that other problem 12.04.14 # well... investigate it anyway :p 12.05.33 # strtok_r should be safe in the reader.... the buffer it changes is the local buffer for the file read.. 12.06.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.06.08 Quit idnar (Nick collision from services.) 12.06.10 Join idnar_ [0] (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.06.19 # Hmm, maybe I didn't check thoroughly 12.06.41 Nick idnar_ is now known as idnar (i=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 12.06.47 # As for the bool settings: lines 327 and 775 in settings.c. They always use on/off instead of what is in the list 12.07.48 # yeah, fixing now 12.08.05 Quit Abcminiuser ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 12.08.08 # removing the off_on var and using NULL for those settings 12.08.43 # They should use the correct strings.... 12.10.07 Quit terinjokes ("leaving") 12.10.21 Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.10.32 # barrywardell are you here 12.11.06 # yes 12.12.00 # amiconn: 90% of the bool settings are "off,on" so it would be faster having the current code used for that and bool setting with other text treated as a special case 12.12.33 # barrywardell i just tested your bootloader patch on a 4G Greyscale 12.13.10 # it doesn't boot into the apple firmware, even though i've restored the ipod, installed a new bootloader and new rockbox 12.13.51 # is that with SVN? i committed the patch last night 12.14.05 Quit anathema (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.14.14 # yes this is with latest SVN 12.15.15 # does it say "Loading original firmware..." when you have hold on/hold menu? 12.15.34 # JdGordon_: Perhaps. I was thinking of changing the position search into a separate function 12.15.46 # tested it with the hold switch on hold, haven't tested press menu I'll try that now 12.15.48 Join earthdog [0] (i=c3612423@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-34def21312c0fa67) 12.16.24 Quit robin0800 ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER") 12.16.36 # amiconn: well, the way ive done it for the bool doesnt really need the complexity that the int settings do.. ill pastebin how i've done it.. (im pretty sure it would work) 12.16.38 # nope no cigar... it just reboots itself 12.17.20 # amiconn: http://rafb.net/p/MtIFeA31.html I dont think there would be much gains making a genereic function to search the cfg_vals variable 12.17.40 # decayedcell: what does it say on the screen? 12.18.34 # although, im not sure the int settings are done nicely now anyway 12.18.38 # barrywardell: Loading original firmware... 12.18.59 # perhaps I just have a screwed up rockbox source again, now I'm having trouble compiling 12.20.41 Part earthdog 12.20.41 # does it say anything after that? 12.20.49 # it works correctly on my 5.5G video though 12.21.12 # barrywardell: um I'm pretty sure the backlight turns off and then it just resets itself, i'll try again 12.22.03 Quit _fejfighter_ () 12.23.59 # decayedcell: do you have an apple_os.ipod file either in the root or in .rockbox? 12.24.03 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.24.20 # barrywardell no its just rockbox 12.29.08 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 12.29.54 Join decayedcell_ [0] (i=792ccb40@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-927649c41a0b36d8) 12.29.54 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.30.47 Part Llorean 12.31.24 # decayedcell_: what method did you use for installing the bootloader? does an old bootloader work? 12.32.02 # i used ipodpatcher 0.5 12.32.41 # ipodpatcher 1 -a bootloader-ipod4g.ipod - i've been having issues with patches and Cygwin lately 12.33.04 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@213.86.218.27) 12.33.10 # so I'm downloading yet another copy of the rockbox source - i'll recompile everything again 12.35.15 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 12.41.13 Quit safetydan ("Ex-Chat") 12.41.45 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-9f27faac23fd6853) 12.42.12 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) 12.43.53 # Well, woohoo 1000 open tasks :-D .... 12.44.27 # celebration time! 12.46.46 # * linuxstb counts 129 people in this channel - only 8 tasks each... 12.46.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1720 surely replaygain/rva tags are better for that sort of thing? 12.47.06 # * scorche wonders how logbot will complete them 12.47.15 # and duplicate here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1721 12.47.22 # down to 998 12.47.24 # :P 12.47.28 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 12.47.30 # scorche: Probably faster than some "real" people 12.48.02 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.223.68) 12.48.17 # decayedcell_: i just sent you a compiled version with an added debug message. can you test please? 12.48.58 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 12.49.06 # true... 12.49.24 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.223.68) 12.49.26 # barrywardell sure i've also got the fresh rockbox chugging away 12.49.57 # oh just the bootloader 12.49.58 # even easier 12.50.20 # Mikachu: what about this one? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1943 12.50.21 # i think you can just close this bug http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5162 button_status shouldn't be returning scrolls, it would be sort of an odd state anyway 12.51.24 # markun: i dunno, maybe one could modify the gain frame in the mp3 blocks before sending it to the decoder 12.51.31 # it says it's already working for swcodec 12.51.36 Join webguest15 [0] (i=526edca8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e4c9ebb6a43ec52e) 12.53.20 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (n=thunderc@82.152.223.68) 12.54.04 # barrywardell: retailOS found in RAM 12.55.06 # decayedcell_: Can you try installing using the old installation method (i.e. ipod_fw) instead of ipodpatcher -a ? 12.55.43 # can you link me to the instructions 12.55.51 # The IpodInstallation wiki page. 12.56.20 # You'll need the bootloader/bootloader.bin (in your bootloader build directory) file instead of the bootloader-ipod???.ipod version. 12.56.21 # decayedcell_: ok. and another one sent. can you test please? 12.57.35 # amiconn: ok, using the utility function makes it cleaner (the read) so It may as well be used for bool aso, do you wanna see the diff? or should i just comit? 12.57.45 # linuxstb i'll try barry's first 12.58.04 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590fa6c9.pool.einsundeins.de) 12.59.02 # barrywardell - same thing, RetailOS found in RAM 12.59.24 # linuxstb: I suppose I should do -d first then use the old bootloader? 12.59.59 # barrywardell: although this time it paused then rebooted 13.00.25 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.00.57 # decayedcell_: No - restore your original firmware partition. 13.02.12 # decayedcell_: I also sent you a version without my changes. 13.02.17 # gotta go now. check back later 13.03.31 # same bbl 13.03.39 Quit barrywardell () 13.03.39 Quit decayedcell_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.03.52 Quit Wiwie ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.05.36 # 534 of the 1000 tasks are feature requests 13.06.15 # all requests older than 1 year should be closed 13.06.26 # probably the same with most patches 13.06.44 # heh, task 8 is still open 13.06.56 # JdGordon: don't know about that 13.07.02 # JdGordon: the problem with that is that the patch authors get offended 13.07.10 # JdGordon: why not look at them and then decide if they can be closed? 13.07.17 # Bagder: feature requests usually don't have patch authors 13.07.29 # " probably the same with most patches" 13.07.29 # (not necessarily agreeing with JdGordon though) 13.07.33 # a 13.07.35 # <- blind 13.07.42 # Why delete old feature requests? Old requests are just as valid as new ones IMO. 13.07.45 # wow! im seeing lots of evil red :p 13.07.56 # * JdGordon takes back what he said 13.08.04 # but removing old feature requests would only cause people to resubmit them 13.08.10 # there's lots of them and I don't know if we have a policy for "impossible" or "obvious" requests 13.08.21 # * n1s wants policies! 13.08.35 # Very little is impossible - especially as Rockbox gets ported to faster and faster devices. 13.08.44 # indeed 13.08.56 # * Bagder recalls the NODO document... 13.09.07 # Yes, there's almost nothing left... 13.09.13 Quit webguest16 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.09.15 # yes sure, but do we have any other policies 13.09.21 # for feature requests 13.10.15 # like for features that almost everyone agrees shouldn't be implemented? 13.11.04 # they should be closed/rejected 13.11.26 # * n1s will start hunting after food is ready :-) 13.11.49 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.12.45 # also there's a problem with lagre amounts of requests in the tracker -- it makes it harder for people to find earlier requests and results in more duplicates 13.13.46 # Bagder I like the reversed chronological order on the new irc logs page, nice! 13.13.51 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@dxb-as87281.alshamil.net.ae) 13.13.58 # yes, it's a lot nicer 13.15.00 # maybe this can safely be closed http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/888 13.15.01 # * dune2 is away: brb 13.15.02 # quite a massive amount of links 13.15.04 # Animations Main-Menu 13.15.14 # out of curiosity, does having lots of return statements in a function make the code larger than having breaks and a variable to store the return value? 13.15.37 # JdGordon: generally speaking: no 13.15.54 # usually the variable is used if you want to do something in the common case before returning, but after the switch 13.16.43 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust351.brig.cable.ntl.com) 13.19.39 # has anyone noticed builds take longer to start with the svnversion script now? 13.21.01 # we're fewer servers now 13.21.11 # since not all have converted 13.21.20 # I mean on local boxes... 13.21.26 # ah 13.21.35 # now how can that affect the build? 13.21.40 # it feels like it takes ages to start 13.21.49 # but im not sure if its me or my computer being silly 13.21.50 # maybe it contacts the server for wahtever reason 13.22.16 # there's only one svn command in the build, and that is svnversion that checks the rev of your local repo 13.22.43 # ok, it must be my box then 13.23.39 Quit JoeBorn ("going home") 13.23.55 # amiconn: ok, I got rid of strtok 13.24.12 # haha http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2015 13.25.19 # what the FUVK? 13.25.35 # Mikachu: is he proposing a hardware mod? 13.25.44 # i have no idea, i started laughing at MANULA though 13.26.42 # how did that stay around this long? 13.31.02 Quit webguest15 ("CGI:IRC") 13.33.28 # someone can close this bug, you can use Play Next that was added recently http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2730 13.33.33 # er, feature request 13.34.04 # sure 13.34.37 Join Llorean [0] (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 13.34.51 # maybe Play Next Shuffled should also exist 13.34.52 # Mikachu: why don't you apply for the right to close them yourself? 13.35.01 Quit Brunellus__ ("Ex-Chat") 13.35.06 # markun: i guess i could do that too 13.35.19 # is that Bagder or zagor? 13.35.20 # Bagder: can you grant him permission? 13.35.47 # JdGordon: svnversion needs a bit time 13.36.05 # just run it in the top of your source dir and see. 13.36.07 # Mikachu: what's your flyspray account name? 13.36.17 # mikaelh 13.36.21 # Bagder: is it possible to make the target name at the top of the table a link to the rockbox.zip if it built? (and possibly in a different colour so it stands out) 13.36.27 # but I don't think there is anything we can do about this :( 13.36.46 # can we disable it on local builds? 13.36.54 # Mikachu: superpowers handed over 13.36.59 # hooray 13.37.41 # what would be great for local builds is if the time of the actual build was used instead of the time make was run, and not put the svn versino there 13.37.48 # JdGordon: the table is only updated before all builds and after all builds 13.38.06 # ok 13.38.24 Join Criamos [0] (n=Criamos@p54930744.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.39.16 # Mikachu: "Play Next Shuffled" doesn't really make sense, it should just be sequential if shuffle is off, or shuffled if shuffle is on since it's supposed to be replacing your playlist rather than being added into it. I'm not sure it does this though. 13.39.31 # Llorean: i mean like Insert Shuffle 13.39.41 # Yes, I know, but it doesn't make sense. 13.39.54 # why not? 13.40.04 # Insert Shuffle makes sense because it's adding the songs into an already existing list. 13.40.15 # insert shuffle exists for empty playlists too 13.40.18 # but only on directories 13.40.35 # Yes, but it serves no real purpose other than if you want a shuffled playlist but can't be bothered to turn on the shuffle setting. 13.40.41 # i agree that it shouldn't appear for individual tracks (insert shuffle doesn't do that either) 13.40.56 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m204.net81-65-15.noos.fr) 13.41.21 # i don't think you've thought this through 13.41.46 # Shouldn't "Play Next" just do what is normaly done when a son is selected in the browser and enqueue the currently played song at the beginning of the playlist? 13.41.54 # song, not son 13.41.56 # n1s: Basically. 13.42.14 # Which means if shuffle is on, you should get a shuffled list, and if it's off you shouldn't. 13.42.27 # i agree 13.42.33 # i'm talking about selecting a directory though 13.42.47 # Why wouldn't the same apply to a directory? 13.43.08 # I only used it once and that made wps<->reality sync go to hell as it thought it was playing a diffferent song than were playing... not reproducible unfortunatley 13.43.13 # if the same applies to a directory, you can submit a patch to remove insert shuffled from the menu too 13.43.34 # Mikachu: Insert Shuffled is useful if you have an existing playlist and want to shuffle a new folder into it. 13.44.01 # Llorean: talking about the "empty playlist insert" menu 13.44.05 # stop playback 13.44.10 # insert on a directory 13.44.12 # JdGordon: how should we differ between "local" builds? 13.44.15 # insert and insert shuffled appears 13.44.16 # both work fine 13.44.22 # Then specify that, I can't know which "The Menu" you're talking about. 13.44.31 # You keep jumping back and forth. 13.44.33 # you can put some string to docs/VERSION and that will used then (and svnversion not called) 13.44.35 Quit Kitt0s (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.44.59 # But "Insert Shuffled" is redundant on an empty playlist if "Insert" creates a shuffled playlist when shuffle is on, yes. 13.45.14 # bluebrother: i dunno... ok ill do that 13.45.24 # just because there's an incredibly inconvenient way to do something doesn't mean a convenient way can't exist 13.45.38 # How is that inconvenient? 13.45.44 # "I want shuffled music, so I turn on shuffle" 13.46.15 # It takes me about half a second to do so. 13.46.33 # and selecting insert shuffled instead of insert is O(1) :) 13.46.38 # bluebrother: creating that versino file is makeing it much better... can we add an option to configure to automatically create it? 13.46.47 # It may be O(1) but it's entirely redundant. 13.46.56 # It would make sense if "Play Next" was always unshuffled. 13.47.07 # There's no point in having one variable function choice, and one single function choice 13.47.17 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.47.25 # You either have the variable function one that serves in both cases, or you have two single function ones so the user always has explicit control 13.47.38 # I wouldn't want to do this -- to prevent the casual user / wannabe-dev to build something one can't name a version to 13.47.40 # You're suggesting essentially 1.5 options. In half the cases they do the same thing, and the other half they don't. 13.48.46 # I really don't care which of the two directions you go in, but if you're going to have some of the options be independent of the "Shuffle" mode, they all should be so that behaviour is always predictable. 13.49.04 # in that case i think the Shuffle option should go away, it doesn't make sense to show in the status bar, and have in the quick screen, an option that affects what happens when you select insert 13.49.19 # and the addition of svnversion was to make every version trackable 13.49.42 # (i have to admit i haven't used the shuffle option, i assumed it jumped to a random track in the playlist while playing without shuffling the actual playlist) 13.49.47 # Mikachu: It also affects when you select a playlist normally, when you click on a single song, etc... 13.50.32 # you can use Shuffle Playlist for that, takes about 2 seconds :) 13.50.43 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 13.51.21 # does anyone mind if I move set_file() from settings.c to misc.c? 13.51.41 # Mikachu: But that doesn't allow you to start on a random song. 13.51.50 # press next 13.52.00 # Yes, but that adds yet another step to a 2-second already process. 13.52.06 # People are used to playback modes 13.52.20 # They're common on just about any music playing software or hardware. 13.52.28 # an option that shuffles playlists on load isn't a playback mode 13.52.39 # since you can't turn it off after loading the playlist 13.52.41 Join webguest65 [0] (i=5b606ada@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e1f6839d56518619) 13.52.43 # Yes, you can 13.52.47 # hey 13.52.55 # Llorean: "Insert shuffled" is *very* useful. 13.53.00 # hi 13.53.12 # Mikachu: If you load a playlist, and turn off shuffle, it returns to the order it was on-disk, or should. 13.53.23 # amiconn: In what conditions. I'm willing to admit that I personally probably just can't see it. 13.53.34 # i got an problem 13.53.45 # amiconn: But remember, we're talking in the context of an empty playlist. I know it's useful with an already populated one. 13.53.46 # i have removed rockbox 13.53.59 # but my sansa not starts the original fw 13.54.00 # Llorean: turning on Shuffle and selecting Play Next doesn't actually shuffle the songs ;) 13.54.07 # Llorean: i don't hold you responsible for that though 13.54.25 # Mikachu: Note that much earlier I said it *should*, but I think I even specified that I don't know whether it does. If not, it was implied by the should. ;) 13.54.34 # Llorean: With an empty playlist, it's still very useful on Ondio. Using "insert shuffled" is *way* faster than enabling shuffle and the using insert 13.55.18 # amiconn: Then that sounds like a flaw in how using "Insert" while shuffle is enabled works. It could still just call the insert-shuffled code if the playlist is empty. 13.55.24 # IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN HELP ME ? 13.55.38 # webguest65: You don't need to use all caps. 13.55.51 # k 13.55.51 # amiconn: But my point is mostly that "Insert Shuffled" suggests that "Insert" is not shuffled. 13.56.00 # Llorean: No. Maybe I wasn't precise. Enabling shuffle needs far more button presses than using 'insert shuffled' 13.56.10 # Aaah 13.56.17 # And another reason: Meanwhile I always use "insert shuffled" on my targets and never enable shuffle mode. Reason: if I enable shuffle, I often forget to disable it again 13.56.31 # amiconn: Anyway, my point is that I don't mind "Insert Shuffled" but if that's explicitly shuffled, "Insert" should be explicitly unshuffled. 13.56.33 # Llorean: Don't forget: Ondio has no quickscreen 13.56.42 # dir 13.56.47 # woops 13.56.52 # amiconn: Nobody has actually told me that until now, I believe. 13.56.56 # [.] [..] 13.57.28 # webguest65: Read about Recovery Mode. Do you still have the original firmware .bin file? 13.57.29 Join nick89 [0] (n=nick89@c220-237-70-197.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 13.57.39 # ye 13.58.15 # hmm no 13.58.28 # only the american one but need europe 13.58.55 # webguest65: You need the one you copied to of.bin, like the install instructions told you to... You did follow the install instructions, right? 13.59.03 # webguest65: Also, you should read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting 13.59.53 Quit inversions (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.00.43 # anyone here got the europe bin file ? 14.01.26 # webguest65: Most people in here aren't Sansa users. There are a couple developers, but remember, it has been clearly said that non-developers shouldn't be using it. There aren't a lot of people who might have your file. 14.01.52 Quit nick89 (Client Quit) 14.02.05 Join nick89 [0] (n=nick89@c220-237-70-197.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) 14.02.51 Quit webguest65 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.03.14 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 14.04.11 # I still don't get why non-devs would bother installing rockbox on a sansa - there's still no sound 14.04.24 # DOOM! 14.04.30 # Pretty much 14.04.42 # oh yeah - I forgot. Sansa Doom. The way it was meant to be played =/ 14.04.43 # yeah, its the games that attract them 14.04.57 # let's disable doom and get rid of the support questions 14.05.06 # can someone please have a look @ http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch and tell me if its ok? I got sick of the mess in settings.[ch] so no code changes, but rearranged both files to make working in them easier 14.05.08 # seriously 14.05.11 # and rockboy 14.05.16 # I would have strongly suggested that. 14.05.21 # I think they're interesting in a "look what we can do with the hardware" kind of way - but I'd never bother actually playing them on 14.05.25 # But all it means is that they'll go back and use/distribute older builds 14.05.30 # well, the good part is that they've brought our attention to the sensitive "recovery mode" of the sansa ;-) 14.06.06 # and possibly we'll get e200tool tested on a e200 soon as well 14.06.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.06.30 # If I wanted games on the move, I'd get a DS, or a PSP. 14.06.35 Join Kitt0s [0] (n=Kaa@84.94.90.27.cable.012.net.il) 14.06.56 Join tokyotourist [0] (i=ddba59a3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-21bb90589d92980e) 14.06.56 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@bne75-7-82-230-110-107.fbx.proxad.net) 14.07.29 # GodEater: but that doesnt emit the "i can play doom on my ipod!!!!!ZOMG!!!" factor =( 14.07.56 # I *must* be getting old - cos that's SO unimpressive to me ;) 14.08.05 # maybe we should just remove doom :P 14.08.07 # fwiw, I never use the quick menu shuffle feature, as it doesn't turn on Replay Gains "Track Gain if Shuffled" feature, 14.08.15 # dont worry...it is to me too and i am not "old" 14.08.20 # * bluebrother ducks and runs from the doom dedicated users 14.08.29 # tokyotourist: If this is reproduceable, why have you never reported it as a bug? 14.08.41 # straw poll of IRC channel : who actually plays it? 14.08.44 # bluebrother: you are a bit late with that comment...already been suggested =P 14.08.53 # too bad. 14.08.59 # GodEater: I've booted it on occasion just so I can tell people "It works for me" with a clear conscience. 14.09.01 # * Bagder never even had a doom wad on one of his players... 14.09.06 # Doom? Doo dark on my h120 14.09.12 # *Too 14.09.13 # Llorean: that's not the same as playing it 14.09.14 # Llorean: is it a bug ? 14.09.37 Quit Thundercloud_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.09.47 # but speaking of plugins: I'd really like to have them sorted in submenus. 14.09.57 # tokyotourist: Shuffle should be Shuffle. They aren't actually a different setting, and it's odd that invoking them a different way has a different effect. 14.10.13 # llorean: I dont think that th person who implemented the quick menu shuffle fature thought it through, eith regards to the replay gain feature 14.10.14 # GodEater: I beat the first two levels of Doom on my Nano to test keymappings. 14.10.34 # tokyotourist: The quick menu shuffle has been there longer than replaygain I believe. 14.10.38 # Llorean: I'm still hearing "to test" - it's not like you did it for fun. 14.11.01 # ... as long as it compiles, does anyone really care how messy the files get? 14.11.10 # JdGordon: Anyone else who has to work with them later. 14.11.27 # that being me with the case of settings.* :p 14.11.32 # doesn't matter which came first, fact is that "track Gain if shuffled" doesn't work when using quick menus shuffle 14.11.51 # tokyotourist: Yes, so you've said. And I've already told you what to do if it's verifiable in an official build. 14.12.05 # JdGordon: you should always write code so that other people can understand it, see for example playback.c :) 14.12.16 # JdGordon: as a bad example of what happens when you assume you're the only one who's going to work on it 14.12.26 # haha yeah 14.12.49 Quit XavierGr () 14.12.49 # you're a dev you check and submit a bug report, i've reported it to you, buck stops here :-) 14.13.19 # tokyotourist: No, the buck stops when you report it. 14.13.21 # oh boy... 14.13.30 # The channel is NOT the place for official bug reports. 14.13.42 # exactly 14.13.47 # there's also the fact that Llorean isn't a dev 14.13.49 # It is a problem you're experiencing that I cannot verify or test without scanning several files and then attempting to hear if there's a discrepancy. 14.13.53 # *and* Llorean isn't really a dev. He's the demon of the forums. :) 14.14.01 Quit nick89 ("Gotta Go") 14.14.03 # If YOU experience a bug, YOU report it in the proper place. 14.14.11 # Or you don't complain about it. Ever. 14.14.31 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 14.14.33 # you really are a difficult customer, unpleasant 14.14.37 Part tokyotourist 14.14.40 # I agree bugs should go in the bug tracker, but someone mentioning it here is better than not mentioning it anywhere... 14.14.44 # heh...customer 14.14.52 # linuxstb: True, but telling me to go file the report for him, is a different matter. 14.14.58 # Llorean: people seem to not like you :) 14.15.16 # Also, I'm pretty sure the feature works. It always has seemed to for me. 14.15.29 # I'm quite fond of replaygain, the quick menu, and "Track gain if shuffling" 14.15.42 # I agree - telling Llorean to submit it himself is bloody rude 14.16.00 # So as far as I'm concerned, it's not something I've ever been able to reproduce. 14.16.11 # Were I to report it, I would in fact be lying. 14.16.21 # if one was specifically testing for it, setting track gain to +12 and album gain to -12 would be a pretty sure way of detecting it 14.17.19 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 14.17.19 # I suppose manually editing some tags on some files would do it. 14.17.48 Join hcs [0] (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs) 14.18.46 # hcs: Just the man I wanted to ask a question of: Does NSF do anything special when shuffle is enabled? I thought of it a few minutes ago, and since you're here I can forego the testing. 14.19.23 # * scorche is thinking about having a topic with many different phrases separated by pipes like most channels of this type do 14.19.27 # no, it does nothing special with shuffle enabled 14.19.50 # hcs: How would you feel about the idea of it picking a random track from within the file, and just playing that one track before moving on to the next song in the playlist? 14.19.59 # scorche: do you have anything in mind to actually put in the topic? 14.20.00 # Only while shuffle is enabled. 14.20.53 # Mikachu: "If Llorean says something rude, it just means he has no people skills. Feel free to ignore anything that isn't actual technical advice| enjoy the new leftside menu design | Any problems with the SVN migration?" 14.20.57 # Mikachu: plenty....all sorts of fun stuff about where reports go, this is a support channel, rockbox related only, etc 14.21.04 # Llorean: hehe 14.21.22 # Llorean: it sounds like a good idea 14.21.39 # * scorche will get to formulating one in a few min 14.21.44 # Bagder: btw, the chlog page still shows the old menu on the left 14.21.49 # Wouldn't that be better handled outside the codec? 14.21.56 # hcs: To my mind at least, the way it currently works is *really* bad for shuffling into a playlist, at least. :) I was trying to come up with a better idea, but not many sprang to mind. 14.21.57 # I's add "patches are not binary" 14.22.01 # IMO, codecs shouldn't know about things like shuffle settings. 14.22.01 # JdGordon: yeps 14.22.19 # doesnt html have the equivilant of a .h so you dont need to change that menu everywhere? 14.22.25 # :) 14.22.28 # linuxstb: If playlists had a way to address a single song in a multisong file, then yes. 14.22.47 # JdGordon: plain html doesn't. You can use SSI or PHP for such stuff for example 14.22.48 # Then we should add that, not hack individual codecs. 14.22.52 # linuxstb: That way you could have, while generating the playlist, it know that Alpha.NSF has 9 songs, and shuffle those 9 into the playlist. 14.23.07 # But straight M3U doesn't seem like it has a way to do that. 14.23.23 Join tokyotourist [0] (i=ddba59a3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e4f5d1f265f2e1c3) 14.23.38 # something similar would be css, but that's only for formatting. 14.23.40 Join OgMaciel [0] (n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist) 14.23.50 # :( that sux 14.23.51 # Llorean: one can use track.nsf?3 for example, fat doesn't support ? anyway 14.23.55 # The current (as in .cue file) approach to multi-track files is to play the sub-tracks in order, even when shuffling. 14.24.21 # Mikachu: But then they are no longer m3u playlists. 14.24.35 # nobody puts nsf files in m3u playlists anyway 14.24.45 # Mikachu: The point is, I'd like to. :-P 14.24.50 # or you could extend the # comment on the line above 14.25.14 # I would prefer a new playlist format, rather then hacking proprietory extensions into m3u. 14.25.16 # It's also something that would need to be addressed for SID, I think? 14.25.52 # m3u8 is already a strange format imo 14.25.55 # The problem is that either the playlist needs to open certain files to check how many subtracks they are, or the files need to behave differently during shuffle. 14.26.02 # hmm, in my haste I forgot to clarify that, the raplay gain "track Gain if shuffled" feature doesn't work with the 'Context Menu" Insert shuffled, and that it does work with the quick menu, its the "context menu "shuffle feature that I never use, which is why I'm not if its a bug 14.26.33 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A322.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.26.46 # tokyotourist: What "Shuffle" in the context menu? 14.26.58 # Llorean: if you really want that kind of behavior I guess you could create a number of NSFe files each set to only play a single track 14.27.23 # hcs: Probably the best solution, really 14.27.38 # Llorean, Playlists "Insert Shuffled" context menu 14.27.42 # Llorean: yeah, if you want I could probably build something to do that, and put the track titles in the file names 14.27.56 # tokyotourist: Ah, but that doesn't enable shuffle mode. So yes, that's not a bug. 14.28.06 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 14.28.06 Quit tokyotourist (Client Quit) 14.28.09 Join tokyotourist1 [0] (i=ddba59a3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-25fcd15cfec3f78d) 14.28.35 # * tokyotourist1 damn fingers 14.28.39 # tokyotourist1: just report it yourself...it really isnt that hard...*WE* do not know how to create the bug that *YOU* are having.....if we did, we would ahve reported it ourselves 14.28.41 # tokyotourist1: That's not a bug. 14.28.44 # scorche: It's not a bug 14.29.00 # ah....i am not paying full attention anyway ; 14.29.01 # tokyotourist1: "Insert Shuffled" creates a shuffled playlist, rather than playing a non-shuffled playlist in "Shuffle" mode. 14.29.02 # ) 14.29.21 # thats why i'm telling you, a), i wasn't sure it was a bug 14.29.59 # hcs: A utility like that would be rather handy, as I think single-track songs are more useful in Rockbox anyway. I always have trouble seeking to the right subtrack. 14.30.26 # b), so in essence you have different shuffle modes, one with "Track Gain if Shuffled and the other not 14.30.44 # Llorean: I tend to listen to games all the way through so it has never been an issue for me 14.30.50 # hcs: what is an nsfe file? 14.31.08 # tokyotourist1: yes, unfortunately 14.31.16 # tokyotourist1: one is shuffle mode, the other is just insert these songs shuffled, you might still have other tracks in the playlist that aren't shuffled 14.31.19 # tokyotourist1: No, there's only one Shuffle *mode*. 14.31.33 # tokyotourist1: The other one just creates a playlist in a random order, and then plays that random order in non-shuffled mode. 14.31.48 # Mikachu: it is like NSF but includes more metadata, like track times, fades, titles, and playlists 14.31.49 # thank you, very unfortunate indeed 14.31.59 # hcs: Have you looked at the current cuefile patch? It would be interesting to see if it could be extended to support multi-track NSF files. 14.31.59 # Llorean: but can still be played in shuffle mode ;) 14.32.06 # markun: If shuffle mode is enabled. 14.32.10 # :) 14.32.12 # hcs: so each nsfe file would have the full nsf file in them? 14.32.17 # is the coldfire gcc more lenient than arm? 14.32.39 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.39 # i just noticed my menu has Recording in it (nano), does it actually work or did i do something strange so it got enabled by accident? 14.32.41 # Mikachu: effectively, the format is a bit different but has essentially the same data 14.33.11 # linuxstb: no, I have not looked at the cue patch 14.33.13 # JdGordon: The recommended coldfire gcc is 3.4.x and arm is 4.0.x, so yes, I think 3.4 is more leniant. 14.33.14 # Mikachu: You should be able to record through a line in on a dock. In theory 14.33.25 # Mikachu: Evidence is extremely inconclusive. 14.33.28 # okay, but nobody tried it? 14.33.29 # linuxstb: ah ok nuts :p 14.33.33 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@jadzia.ece.fr) 14.33.37 # i'm only asking because there's a feature request about it :) 14.33.47 # * JdGordon picked the wrong target to test the builds on 14.34.06 # Mikachu: It was enabled by accident, but people seem to think it's working (sort of), so it's still there... 14.34.12 Part tokyotourist1 14.34.18 # okay, i'll take no action then 14.34.20 # I don't think anyone has done a proper line-in recording test though. 14.34.24 # (on the Nano) 14.34.27 # linuxstb: Including the people who still swear up and down they recorded through the headphone jack on it. =/ 14.35.17 # By the way, current iPod color builds are almost entirely useless, is anything going to be done about this? I propose removing scaling until we have it working. 14.35.23 # Llorean: Which is odd - on the 4g and Color, there is some code to switch the headphone socket into "input mode". That's not enabled for the Nano... 14.35.35 Quit lini (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.35.41 Join lini [0] (i=pugsley@62.204.144.237) 14.35.42 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.36.02 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa242.0.tellas.gr) 14.36.11 # linuxstb: I think the placebo effect is very strong. It's always "Faint but identifiable" 14.37.08 # hcs: There seems to be a lot of effort currently going into fixing that problem - if the scaling was disabled, maybe there wouldn't be... 14.37.18 # And Rockbox hasn't been released for ipods yet. 14.37.34 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.37.38 # linuxstb: ok, understood, I just remember that when I started I was turned off for several months by being unable to use it 14.39.54 Quit webguest77 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.42.39 # linuxstb: the ipod only has a 24MHz clock, right? 14.42.48 # I think so. 14.43.23 # markun: The RTC on my gigabeat seems to reset regularly (I think when I plug in USB? Haven't checked, just the word 'clock' reminded me). Is this also regular at its current state? 14.43.28 Join aramil [0] (n=tony@91.140.17.58) 14.43.29 # markun: But I've never really looked at that part of the code. For the audio drivers, I just copied what IPL did. 14.43.56 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 14.44.02 # Llorean: I can't say I have ever noticed that 14.44.02 Topic "Welcome to #rockbox! | This is a Rockbox support channel. Please keep discussion related to Rockbox only. | This is not the place for bug reports or feature requests. They go here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker | Before asking a question, make sure you have read the manual (http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) and the FAQ (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#FAQ) fully." by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 14.44.18 # Llorean: do you ever use the battery switch? 14.44.19 # that is a long topic 14.44.31 # there are much longer... 14.44.34 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-77b6c7c025f879e6) 14.44.41 # maybe the faq should come before the manual :) 14.44.45 # markun: Rarely. But I've had to once or twice recently. That's probably it, and I just didn't make the connection. 14.45.12 # I'm not used to devices with a battery switch. 14.45.14 # :) 14.45.46 Join CriamosAndy [0] (n=Criamos@p5493242A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.46.05 # Llorean: yes, it's a bit anoying. I saw a patch in the tracker with a suggestion to auto update the RTC from filetimes create by the host computer when in USB mode 14.46.16 # * GodEater only just noticed the downloads section the front page has change. Neat! 14.46.24 # don't know how well it will work, but might be a nice feature 14.46.57 # markun: I think just letting it clear is the best feature. Unless you can get a fully accurate time, someone could read it, think it's right, and be mislead. 14.47.15 # yes, probably 14.47.23 # markun: Oh, is there any reason the "LCD Poweroff" and "Button LED" settings are in the debug menu, rather than somewhere normal? 14.47.59 # Llorean: not anymore 14.48.13 # scorche: I don't think there's a problem with people reporting bugs here - to confirm if they are really bugs or not. They can then be asked to file a formal bug report if there's agreement that it's a bug. 14.48.18 # gotthardt is redoing the button led settings and will commit it soon 14.48.50 # Mikachu: when you use FS# Flyspray automatically links them ... very convenient for comments / marking of duplicates 14.48.55 # markun: Okay. Just found that the LCD Poweroff at least doesn't save. 14.49.00 # linuxstb: would just a "file bugs and requests here" be better? 14.49.09 Part LinusN 14.49.31 Quit My_Sic (Remote closed the connection) 14.49.37 # scorche: Maybe just don't mention bugs. 14.49.42 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 14.49.43 # scorche: I wouldn't mention it at all. IMO, it isn't a problem that needs fixing. 14.50.00 # just requests then? 14.50.41 # "Please take feature requests to URL"? 14.50.42 # I think a "Please search the manual before asking for help" line would be more useful in the topic. 14.50.53 # (and keep the topic brief so people read it...) 14.50.53 # there is one... 14.51.08 Quit Criamos (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.51.13 # scorche: I didn't get that far :) 14.51.39 # linuxstb: when a person joins a channel, typically the topic is written out in full just like a conversation 14.51.43 # bluebrother: ah 14.51.53 # scorche: when /join-ing #rockbox I get the (additional) message to check out the FAQ. Maybe this should also have a link to FAQ and manual? 14.52.03 # scorche: not in GUI clients 14.52.18 # at least not in all of them 14.52.21 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 14.52.29 # With the new downloads section on the website, should the link on the Releases page saying Archos only, download a daily builds point to the current build aka SVN instead? 14.52.35 # Bagder: all the gui clients that i ahve used do... 14.52.54 # i *think* mIRC does that 14.52.59 # bluebrother: the issue with that message, is that it is typically output to the server tab on most clients 14.53.02 # it does 14.53.06 # as does xchat 14.53.11 # I haven't used it in *years* - but eah 14.53.12 # scorche: I just always think that short is best. We don't get very many bug reports, but we do get lots of simple support questions. 14.53.12 # hmm 14.53.13 # and quite a few others 14.53.13 # hang on 14.53.14 Part Overand 14.53.16 Join Overand [0] (i=overand@64.151.69.185) 14.53.24 # yeah, same in irssi 14.53.33 # how about just this then? 14.53.34 # Welcome to #rockbox! | This is a Rockbox support channel. Please keep discussion related to Rockbox only | Before asking a question, make sure you have read the manual (http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) and the FAQ (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#FAQ) fully 14.53.38 # Overand: there's /cycle for part+join 14.53.45 # scorche: sure, but having the info there wouldn't hurt imo ... 14.53.47 # Mikachu: i used /cycle =P 14.53.54 # Overand: oh, the time stamps were 3 seconds apart here 14.54.06 # Mikachu: yeah, this box seems to be a bit taxed 14.54.10 # it might just have been flood control though 14.54.41 # BigBambi: yes, I think so to 14.55.09 # Bagder: can you fix that link on the realeases page to point to SVN builds? 14.55.17 Quit aramil ("Αποχώρησε") 14.55.24 # will do soon 14.55.26 Part Llorean 14.55.36 # markun, it might stop the problems with people seeing an issue fixed on the front page but it not showing up in a daily build yet 14.55.53 Join aramil [0] (n=tony@91.140.17.58) 14.56.02 # Also, the confusion between dailys and SVN (Daily is more stable etc!) 14.56.20 # hcs: was it you who I got the NSF-build from? 14.56.40 # Overand: probably 14.57.24 Topic "Welcome to #rockbox! | This is a Rockbox support channel. Please keep discussion related to Rockbox only | Before asking a question, make sure you have read the manual (http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) and the FAQ (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#FAQ) fully" by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 14.57.46 # bluebrother: better? :) 14.57.49 # hcs: what's the story with that - is it likely to move to the main trunk? 14.58.05 # I feel a vague desire to update rockbox and I don't even have the link- I did that at the office. 14.58.21 # Overand: it is in main SVN now 14.58.34 # So that should show up in recent nightlies, right? 14.58.39 # yeah 14.58.46 # excellent- that is wonderful news 14.58.48 # scorche: #rockbox is not only a support channel, it's also a development channel 14.59.33 # the devs already know that though 15.00.00 # yes, but random people who might want to chat about a patch they wrote wouldn't 15.00.18 Topic "Welcome to #rockbox! | Please keep discussion related to Rockbox only. | Before asking a question, make sure you have read the manual (http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) and the FAQ (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#FAQ) fully." by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 15.00.20 # i'm sure they would do that regardless of the topic :) 15.00.33 # heh 15.00.36 # maybe directing the "user talk" to #rockbox-community would be something to add to? ;-) 15.00.39 # good point 15.00.45 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-79.dynamic.qsc.de) 15.01.28 # discussion about a patch is some kind of development imo ... discussing about how to download patches isn't 15.01.47 # bluebrother: i thought about it, but wasn't sure until we know that channel is there to stay...but if you feel it should be, then i have no issue with it 15.02.35 # Mikachu: Why is a Donkey Kong emulator invalid? 15.02.40 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.03.09 # I don't know how long that channel will stay, but currently there are only guys around who are familiar with Rockbox ... 15.03.16 # i thought it was a bit unspecific 15.03.29 # so attracting the average user to it might be an idea 15.03.45 Join Moos [0] (i=5950bebb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b68916fe999b5414) 15.03.49 # * scorche looks for a second 15.04.06 # Just to pu my 2 cents in, I think a direct to #rockbox-community would be helpful for the average user, but would probably encourage questions that could be answered in the manual there 15.04.11 # put 15.04.15 # Mikachu: you're aware of ReportingBugs? 15.04.27 # Mikachu: I guess it is, but I just assumed the request is for an emulator of the original arcade hardware. 15.04.55 # * scorche looks for a second from a regular member 15.05.28 # rasher(?) wrote a proposal for handling tasks to the ml some time ago 15.06.26 # i can reopen it again and adjust my policy accordingly :) 15.07.02 # I'm not sure if that task should kept open. It's something that isn't too likely to happen anyway 15.07.21 # that's what i felt too 15.07.40 # i mean i can put in 15 requests for games too 15.07.58 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 15.08.02 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 15.08.04 # if someone ports a game to rockbox it's not likely to be because of somebody else's feature request 15.08.06 # maybe we should agree to close such tasks with an "unlikely to happen unless you start yourself" comment 15.08.33 # but afaik there is no consensus about how to handle these tasks. 15.08.45 # Mikachu: I don't think it's worthwhile reopening, but I wouldn't have closed it - unless we stop accepting those kinds of feature requests. 15.08.46 # well, that's a bad reason to keep all tasks open 15.09.18 # how about agreeing to not accept such feature requests? ;-) 15.09.50 # How would you describe them? 15.10.17 # requests that say "please do this monumental unspecific task for me" :) 15.12.14 # JdGordon: Screen is too small, I'd say ;) 15.12.37 # that too 15.12.44 # not much I can do with a 15" laptop screen tho 15.12.54 # requests for features that are too unlikely to happen, like "port game xyz" 15.13.03 # Depends on the panel resolution, not size 15.13.06 Quit Arathis (Remote closed the connection) 15.13.21 # even if I had a 21" widescreen id have it on its side for more lines on the screen than width 15.13.22 # The build table (almost) fits on 1152x864 15.13.33 # 1024x768 15.13.48 # I havtn tried anything higher tho.. might fit 1280x1024 but i doubt it 15.13.49 # My laptop screen is only 14" but 1400x1050 15.13.53 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p5484A322.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.14.06 # i have a 17" at 1280x960, but i don't have the browser fullscreen :) 15.14.19 # * bluebrother hates fullscreen windows 15.14.59 # * markun loves them 15.15.34 # * petur alt-tabs along 15.16.00 # * linuxstb only has full-screen windows 15.16.14 # the only fullscreen window is window 0x0 (the root window) :) 15.16.44 # linuxstb: how do you feel about the mp4 video playback request? 15.16.47 # * bluebrother loves virtual screens 15.17.17 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 15.17.21 # Mikachu: Pointless, but I can't think of a good rule which would allow us to close it, but keep other, potentially useful suggestions. 15.18.02 # it's not like this is going to court or anything... 15.18.04 # could these "unlikely" feature requests just be hived off into another project somewhere ? 15.18.14 # In a way, the feature request is "too obvious" to be worth putting in the tracker. 15.18.16 # so we still have them archived somewhere, and still marked open 15.18.24 # but not cluttering up the "useful" stuff ? 15.18.42 # if flyspray had better search, we could make useless ones "very low priority" 15.18.51 # but it can't display >= prio, only == 15.19.01 # submit a patch ;) 15.19.05 # heh 15.19.07 # use bugzilla 15.19.18 # I thought we did and that the consensus was it sucked ? 15.19.37 # we used the sf tracker 15.19.41 # which isn't bugzilla 15.19.44 # oh that's right 15.20.11 # So why did we choose flyspray instead of bugzilla? 15.20.15 # I knew there was something before FS - I just couldn't remember what 15.22.36 # how about closing such tasks as "later"? 15.24.39 # * hcs shakes the FS Magic 8-Ball 15.24.48 # "try again later" 15.24.52 # too late :) 15.26.51 # we should have a FS ranking ... looks like Mikachu will hit the top for closing tasks this month ;) 15.26.58 # heh 15.28.59 # * GodEater wishes more xterm-a-likes had decent UTF-8 support 15.29.07 # GodEater: use urxvt 15.29.26 # xterm itself has utf8 support, although it doesn't support it particularly well 15.29.49 # Galois: what doesn't it support? 15.29.57 # it supports utf8 fine, but it doesn't display unicode characters very well 15.30.00 # RTL display? 15.30.05 # subpixel antialiasing, for starters 15.30.10 # it only supports one concurrent font 15.30.13 # it does support aa fine 15.30.26 # you can get subpixel antialiasing, and you can get non-english utf8 characters, but not both at the same time 15.30.26 # xterm at least has *some* support for it, but aterm, Eterm, rxvt are all dire 15.30.28 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 15.30.29 # Galois: what does that have to do with UTF-8? 15.30.41 # aha 15.30.44 # I prefer my non-english utf8 characters to be displayed with subpixel antialiasing 15.30.55 # just use urxvt though :) 15.32.01 # thank god for screen 15.32.15 # GodEater: amen to that 15.32.15 # gnome-terminal may have crashed - but my precious sessions are safe ;) 15.32.16 # Galois: can you show me a partial screenshot perhaps? I'm really curious what it looks like 15.32.33 # xterm? 15.32.35 # i run gaim in screen now too 15.33.11 # curses, urxvt isn't in portage 15.33.25 # GodEater: gaim in screen? 15.33.31 # er, goffa, gaim in screen? 15.33.33 # Galois: no, english and non english glyphs in xterm with subpixel aa 15.33.37 # GodEater: "rxvt-unicode" 15.33.47 # Mikachu: thanks ;) 15.33.59 # Galois: don't do it if it's too much work :) 15.34.06 # the default settings are not so pleasant, but don't give up on it :) 15.35.06 # I can't do it in xterm, and I'd like to know how 15.35.06 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 15.35.37 # ooh, an access-violation-summary. Haven't had portage throw one of those at me for AGES 15.35.37 # Overand: gaim-text 15.36.16 # fairly new project.. that i'm lovin 15.36.16 # Galois: so you do "uxterm -fa [some font]" ? 15.36.16 # goffa: sexy 15.36.16 # how does it compare to pork and naim for you? 15.36.21 # for a while I was just using bitlbee, but meh 15.36.21 # haven't tried pork 15.36.25 # I don't have uxterm. I do xterm -fa [some font] 15.36.27 # but i like it better than naim 15.36.27 # I mean I like the concept of bitlbee a lot 15.36.29 # and it doesn't work 15.36.31 # which is why I don't use xterm 15.36.42 # haven't tried bitlbee either 15.37.25 # bitlbee is neat 15.37.32 # irc bridge for aim/jabber/whatever 15.37.40 Join Moos [0] (i=5950bebb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-30c2b136f49e6272) 15.37.53 # cool 15.37.59 # fire up a bitlbee daemon on your machine, it listens on 6667 (or whatever) and only accepts loopback connections, you join a #control or something 15.37.59 # that is a neat idea 15.38.05 # Galois: how did you enable UTF-8 support then? 15.38.21 # so your users show up in #control? 15.38.24 # it works pretty well- I just have far too many windows open in irssi to make that make sense 15.38.32 # goffa: yeah, but i'm not sure if thats the channel nam 15.38.33 # name 15.38.35 # I use gnome-terminal or konsole 15.38.38 # goffa: you can either use queries or talk in the channel 15.38.38 # and you just message them 15.38.48 # the obvious implication being that your irc client needs to support multiple servers 15.38.51 # the channel name is &bitlbee 15.38.51 # interesting 15.38.56 # also- there *are* public bitlbee gateways out there 15.39.08 # you can /connect irc.bitlbee.org i think 15.39.10 # but i'd rather not send my login credentials to a 3rd party even if they seem trustworthy 15.39.14 # yeah 15.39.15 # Mikachu: exactly 15.39.22 # but a local one's nicer 15.39.39 # yeah... gaim-text is a lot like gaim itself 15.39.43 # so i see 15.39.46 # has an ncurses contact list 15.40.01 # you can arrow up/down to get to whatever contact 15.40.15 # and alt # to whatever chat window 15.40.18 # yeah 15.40.24 # it's actuall some other library 15.40.27 # libgnt or something 15.40.30 # yep 15.40.44 # thanks google summer of code :) 15.41.46 # ayep 15.41.55 # did you see the google project for FUSE on OSX? 15.42.13 # no 15.42.34 # running linux here anyway 15.42.36 # well, it's a project, for fuse, on osx 15.42.37 # yeah 15.42.38 # same here 15.42.41 # we've already got fuse 15.42.42 # hmm - urxvt doesn't look much different to xterm 15.42.45 # ah 15.42.49 # well, actually i'm sitting on a mac running osx 15.42.51 # it's still failing to draw some characters 15.42.53 # sshed into a linux box, so yeah 15.43.05 # none of my workstations are linux these days 15.43.11 # im going to rebuild some machines 15.43.12 # yeah.. at work sitting on a windows box 15.43.37 # i'd like to use linux here at work 15.44.32 # hmm..pork looks interesting 15.44.57 # it's tasty too 15.45.05 # he he he 15.45.11 # pork is decent 15.45.14 # it used to be unstable 15.45.14 # didn't know about it until you mentioned it 15.45.18 # * GodEater had it in cassrole for dinner last night 15.45.18 # but last i knew it was good 15.45.38 # gaim-text crashes when you add a buddy.. so you have to fire up the gui when you want to do that 15.45.46 # that's too bad 15.45.57 # but... other than that it's good 15.46.01 # * Bagder coughs... eh #rockbox ? 15.46.13 # good for chatting in rockbox 15.46.15 # :) 15.46.28 # heh 15.46.32 # er.. not really 15.46.51 # sorry badger 15.47.08 # i guess there's #rockbox-community 15.49.13 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.51.36 Join blueworm [0] (n=blueworm@7.Red-80-32-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 15.53.01 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp4-71.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.00.19 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@host-144-219.ch.le.ac.uk) 16.00.39 # hm 16.00.39 # load average: 81.21 16.00.55 # ouch 16.01.20 # someone's hitting the web server really hard atm 16.02.19 # Bagder: can you see who it is? 16.03.23 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.03.23 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.03.34 # * Bagder kills the web server to start with 16.05.50 # i noticed flyspray was getting slow 16.06.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.07.25 # * dune2 is back (gone 02:52:24) 16.07.56 # dune2: please disable that script at least for this channel 16.08.20 Join |Rincewind| [0] (i=Po2vpu6r@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.08.39 # scorche: it is not a script, it's me , but ok, i won't use away message ;) 16.08.57 # surely you didn't type it manually 16.10.11 # * amiconn still doesn't fully understand the linux load concept 16.10.23 # amiconn: it's sort of "how many processes want 100% cpu" 16.10.34 # number of processes in the queue to run 16.11.14 # Yes, but how does that relate to the actual load percentage? 16.11.41 Join Moos [0] (i=5950bebb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-64f86c3834d57ecd) 16.12.34 # if loadavg is more than 1, cpu usage is always 100% 16.13.12 # that's the most succinct explanation I've ever read for load average 16.13.23 # that is, unless you have more cpus 16.13.32 # i can't guarantee it's a correct definition 16.13.40 # load average can go high without cpu usage if a process is waiting for i/o 16.13.51 # or so i recall 16.14.04 # iowait is shown as cpu usage in top 16.14.12 Join desowin [0] (n=desowin@unaffiliated/desowin) 16.14.25 # ...even though it isn't. :) 16.14.48 # i mean, iowait isn't cpu usage even if top says so 16.15.33 # then change my "cpu usage" to "what top shows for cpu usage" :) 16.16.26 # :) 16.16.47 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 16.16.49 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.17.41 # use utf8 for translation files ? 16.18.15 # desowin: yes 16.18.40 Join petur [0] (i=d4efd6a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2edaf5feede0b0b8) 16.18.50 Quit petur (Client Quit) 16.19.46 # oh, also there's polish-ascii and polish, should I prepare both (first one has 'stripped' some letters ie. a is instead of ą) or just keep polish one ? 16.20.45 # desowin: I think we can remove the ascii one, what do you think? 16.21.21 # I think the same 16.21.38 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 16.21.39 # creating ascii is lame way to solve non-displaying characters 16.22.14 # there'll be need for font that has 'ąęźżćśłó' 16.23.03 # we have those fonts 16.23.30 # it will just not work on the charcell displays 16.23.55 # or 16.24.11 # Bagder: if I remove a file from SVN can we get it back if too many people complain?? 16.24.11 Quit kaaloo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.24.20 # sure 16.24.22 # maybe if the display doesn't allow displaying such font, why not make 'on-the-fly' change from ą to a, from ę to e and so 16.24.29 # markun: svn up -r revnumber 16.25.36 # or if selected font doesn't have such characters 16.26.04 # desowin: yes, I think there even is such a thing implemented. I will remove the file. 16.26.23 # the technical term is transliteration :) 16.26.23 # it's not implemented, at least in svn 16.29.51 # Is there an "undelete" function in svn? Or do you re-add it as if it's a new file? 16.31.53 # there're *: "" everytime in polish lang file, should I leave it blank or enter polish words here ? 16.32.06 # linuxstb: maybe you can use svn copy (not sure though) 16.32.15 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m204.net81-65-15.noos.fr) 16.33.07 # desowin: ok, it's gone 16.33.27 # bleh, i'm still used to clicking the third link from the top for the build table :) 16.34.19 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 16.35.05 # :-) 16.35.33 # there are no daily builds anymore? "current build" is the same as the old "SVN build"? 16.35.46 # or is current build the old daily build? 16.35.51 # spug: they're still there, although now a click further away 16.37.05 # heh, the irc stats isn't perfect 16.37.11 # Poor forehead, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 20 times. 16.37.11 # For example, like this: 16.37.11 # * petur slaps forehead 16.37.16 # ah, yeah. i thought "download an older build" meant that daily builds weren't updated anymore 16.37.58 # well, the daily builds are always older than (or brief moments as new as the) svn builds 16.38.17 # yes, i understood that now :) thanks 16.40.42 Join toffe [0] (n=toffe@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.41.00 Quit midgey () 16.41.25 # desowin: If there's a faint chance to find a polish tts engine, then it's be nice to insert polish phrases between the tags 16.41.41 # These are used for building voice files 16.42.04 # http://espeak.sourceforge.net/languages.html supports polish (probably very badly) 16.42.14 # there're tts engines, but I have no idea if those can be used with rockbox 16.42.15 # "These languages are only initial naive implementations which have had little or no feedback and improvement from native speakers." 16.43.33 # desowin: Rockbox itself uses pre-built voice snippets, so you would be looking for a pc tts engine 16.43.53 # yea 16.44.02 # but the license of tts 16.44.44 # The license is only important if we want to distribute such a voice file 16.45.07 # so far I know there's no free such tts 16.45.11 # As long as someone is building a voice file for personal use, it doesn't matter 16.45.56 # * Mikachu feels ignored 16.47.51 # Mikachu: what about it? 16.48.05 # I've improved the german and dutch versions a bit 16.48.13 # 16:45:06 so far I know there's no free such tts 16.48.14 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 16.48.15 # but it's pretty hard :) 16.48.23 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 16.48.50 # Mikachu: espeek port is on my todo list 16.48.53 # espeak even 16.49.01 # neat 16.53.23 # lang cleanup in it's current state (soon on tracker) saves more than 2k on recv1 16.54.04 # what does MDB stands for ? 16.54.11 # in what context? 16.54.26 # in sound settings, MDB enable 16.54.27 # * amiconn guesses in .lang files 16.54.50 # MDB means Micronas Dynamic Bass, a bass enhancement in the MAS codec chips 16.55.13 # Only applies to archos recorders and Ondios 16.55.29 Quit aramil ("Αποχώρησε") 16.55.44 # ...and perhaps soon to AV3xx... linuxstb? ;) 16.56.03 # Yes, soon the AV3xx. 16.58.31 # patch is up now if anyone wants to take a look http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6574 17.02.32 # n1s: From a quick glance it's looking good. However, committing this should be coordinated with voice file format change 17.03.05 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 17.03.34 # yes, and perhaps some script wizard can help out with the renamed strings in the translation... 17.04.01 # That too 17.04.01 # or else most translations will be kind of broken :-( 17.04.12 # * preglow cheers at the lang v2 cleanup patch 17.04.30 # The voice files are now target specific, hence there should be a target specific header 17.04.37 # linuxstb: how's that port going anyway? 17.04.37 # Same goes for .lng 17.04.53 # preglow: Perhaps the same as the elio port ;) 17.05.06 # scnr 17.13.40 # id: LANG_EQUALIZER_BAND_Q and both source is "Q", where is it used ? 17.15.11 # in the equalizer 17.15.58 # can't find it anywhere on my iPod 17.16.23 # I find equalizer, but not simple "Q" 17.17.06 # it's used in the graphical eq screen on the far left 17.17.29 # amiconn: The av3xx has medios running on it - so it won't have the problem of undocumented hardware which stopped my Elio progress. 17.18.06 # it's not visible on mini then 17.18.13 # And from what I've seen so far, medios seems to be better than IPL in terms of hardware knowledge. 17.18.27 # Isn't the elio a PP target? 17.19.07 # Yes, but I couldn't get the LCD working. 17.19.09 # desowin: it's also used in the "advanced eq settings" if you select a filter ther's a "Q" option 17.19.37 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.19.42 # oh, I see, but what it stands for ? 17.20.00 # desowin: ask preglow or google ;-) 17.20.11 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 17.20.17 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.20.52 # http://www.google.pl/search?q=q&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 gives way too much results 17.21.06 Quit Kitt0s ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 17.21.19 # http://www.google.pl/search?hl=pl&q=equalizer+q&btnG=Szukaj&lr= 17.21.26 Join Kitt0s [0] (i=Kaa@84.94.90.27.cable.012.net.il) 17.23.00 # heh, it's even mentioned in the rockbox manual what Q is for... 17.29.59 # I don't use EQ though 17.32.06 Quit lubiix908 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.32.19 Join kubiix [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 17.32.29 Join perl|perl [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 17.32.40 Quit perl|perl (Client Quit) 17.33.23 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 17.33.36 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 17.37.00 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 17.37.16 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 17.38.21 # what q is for? 17.38.24 # it's for adjusting q... 17.38.32 # the manual should say what that means 17.38.44 # q is another way of indicating bandwidth for the band 17.38.48 # preglow: it does 17.39.25 # "Finally, the “Q” parameter controls how wide or narrow each EQ band is. Higher Q values will affect a narrow band of frequencies, while lower EQ values will affect a wider band of frequencies." 17.39.45 # ah typo! 17.39.48 # i'm planning to convert to use a proper bandwidth parameter the next time i'm having a look at the eq 17.43.08 # * Moos reminds to preglow the special filter for hardwares that doesn't support basses/trebles :) 17.45.55 # ahh, yes, there's also that :> 17.47.11 # what do you think is a good range for boost/cut, btw? 17.47.15 # -24 to 24 db there too? 17.48.04 Join webguest49 [0] (i=55020a5e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e5d4a6078cc6bf4b) 17.49.05 Quit perl|work (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.50.22 # yeah 17.50.39 # @preglow: same way than others targets 17.52.02 # +/- 24 is a bit much imho 17.52.08 # yeah, i'm thinking that too 17.52.12 # but then again, i'll never use it 17.52.37 # MAS3587 / 3539 has +/-12dB, MAS3507 has +/-15 dB 17.52.48 # preglow: hehe :-) 17.52.53 # UDA1380 has 0/+6dB for treble and 0/+24 dB for bass 17.55.19 Quit idnar ("Reconnecting") 17.55.36 Join idnar [0] (n=mithrand@unaffiliated/idnar) 17.55.54 # we should definitely allow cuts 17.56.08 # yes 17.56.11 # amiconn: but then again, i don't see why having a big range hurts 17.56.41 Join webguest26 [0] (i=46348342@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-700eea551ed4333a) 17.56.43 # I'd say +/- 20dB sounds like a good range 17.57.04 # then let's say +/- 24dB for consistency with the eq :-) 17.57.15 # but no, really, i don't care 17.57.18 # quick question, so i installed rockbox on my ipod no problem, where do i put the music files so i can play them? 17.57.29 # we need to tweak it anyway 17.57.37 # webguest26: on the ipod... 17.57.37 # preglow: that's not really important 17.57.58 # webguest26: drag & drop them to your ipod, simple as that :-) 17.58.02 # no specific folder? 17.58.16 # as long as you remembe rwhere it isw 17.58.17 # is 17.58.19 # no, you can put them wherever you like 17.58.20 Quit webguest49 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.58.53 # also, since we'll be using filters of our own design, the cutoff freq can be tweaked, but i assume we'll just pick one that works and hard code it at that? 17.59.11 # this is meant to replace the hw controls, after all 17.59.20 # preglow: will these filters do anything that the eq can't? 17.59.24 # n1s: no 17.59.44 # n1s: that is, they will sound slightly different, but the eq will do a better job 18.00.20 # * n1s cant see what they will be needed for then... but hey never use EQ or boosting anyway :-) 18.01.15 # n1s: both bass and treble control will use about as much cpu as just one eq band 18.01.26 # so you'll save some battery 18.01.28 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@234.80-202-98.nextgentel.com) 18.01.40 # ah, that makes sense :-) 18.03.31 # at least i hope so, we won't see until i code the asm routines, hehe 18.04.15 # the manual refers to the different flavours of rockbox as: current release, daily build, and SVN build. this should be changed to Release, daily and current build right? 18.04.44 # tucoz: yes, it's quite confusing with the new side menu 18.04.54 # ok, i'll fix this 18.05.11 # it also states the daily builds to be better than cvs / svn. 18.05.16 # hehe 18.05.20 # I think this should be dropped also 18.05.30 # yep, i'll rewrite that section 18.05.59 # good :) 18.06.10 # maybe the reference to Daily should be removed, it only complicates things and daily builds are almost never better than "current" 18.06.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.06.42 # yep. The only difference it that they are archived for a while 18.06.57 # there's a teeny bit bigger chance that the daily builds will work 18.07.55 # preglow, did you see the svn statistics? 18.08.31 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.08.36 # we could mention the daily, but in a different wording than the current 18.09.35 # tucoz: mno 18.09.47 # preglow, daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/svn I think 18.10.11 # hah, cool 18.10.29 # * linuxstb can't remember writing 232044 lines of code... 18.10.50 # hehe. you can thank the doom authors for a substantial part of that 18.11.08 # Plus I think I imported most of the codecs. 18.11.19 # libFLAC in and out... 18.11.30 # if you click your name, you'll see where the loc code 18.11.39 # s/code/go 18.11.45 # bbl 18.12.41 # i'm surprised i rank that highly 18.13.25 # Apparently you're responsible for 10000 lines in libmad 18.13.31 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-202.customers.vivodi.gr) 18.13.35 # Plus 5364 in Musepack. 18.13.52 # heh 18.14.22 # cheap points 18.14.35 # the script allows for inclusion/exclusion of whatever you want 18.15.10 # i don't really care much 18.15.14 # it's a novelty 18.16.42 # preglow: I might have committed more lines of code, but it was less complex then the asm stuff you did 18.19.06 # linuxstb, preglow: I'm still hoping we can gain something by using a common imdct implementation for the codecs, what do you think? 18.20.58 # I don't know, but I've been thinking an optimised bitreading library could be useful. 18.22.38 # "These builds are for people who want to test the code that developers just checked in." could be changed "These builds are what the developers recommend for targets in development"? 18.22.49 # ^^current build 18.23.18 Join efyx [0] (n=efyx@fac34-5-82-239-138-213.fbx.proxad.net) 18.23.24 # "These builds represent the current state of Rockbox development" 18.23.52 Join perl|work [0] (n=jacquesc@static-64-61-105-170.isp.broadviewnet.net) 18.24.01 # sounds good. i'll add a little note about what that involves as well. 18.25.17 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 18.25.31 # It is not necessary to describe what SVN is in this context, right? (the current manual do this) 18.26.16 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 18.29.14 # tucoz: i agree too much extra info hides what's important. 18.30.10 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 18.31.16 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 18.40.42 Join Everybody [0] (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 18.41.21 Join Soul-Slayer [0] (n=Jonno@89.242.80.203) 18.47.57 Join the_conley [0] (n=conley@72.29.61.219) 18.49.02 # hey there, is there still no code for the Gigabeat S? 18.49.25 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 18.50.44 # the_conley: no 18.51.07 # markun: can I expect anything in the next year? 18.51.21 # the_conley: nobody is working on it 18.51.29 # I think that should answer your question 18.51.51 Join massiveH [0] (i=c617050a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-80296fa570b192c2) 18.52.05 # ok 18.52.07 Part the_conley 18.52.08 # if you really want it you have to work on it yourself and find other people to help you 18.52.14 Quit efyx (Remote closed the connection) 18.52.18 # too late.. 18.53.33 Quit Paprica (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.56.30 # markun: a common mdct routine won't be really feasible, each codec uses the routine slightly different, and the sizes are different too 18.57.12 # plus, the mpeg imdct isn't even power of two 18.57.26 # aha 18.57.30 # brb, bake bread 18.57.40 # preglow: have fun 19.00.14 Quit blueworm ("Leaving") 19.00.36 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|food (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 19.00.58 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.01.45 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 19.02.20 Join lubiix908 [0] (n=Miranda@mos-81-27-201-28.karneval.cz) 19.04.06 Quit kubiix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.05.43 Quit massiveH ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.07.45 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 19.08.14 Quit midgey () 19.09.03 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 19.09.14 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.09.29 Join bluebrother [0] (i=Tb5nAkv0@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.09.32 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.09.53 Quit dune2 ("Leaving") 19.13.18 Join Viele-baeren [0] (n=kvirc@wikipedia/Viele-baeren) 19.13.20 # hi 19.13.33 # helo 19.13.55 Quit amiconn_ (Client Quit) 19.15.38 Join webguest52 [0] (i=51c5e9e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-73e1c4a00b25cada) 19.15.47 Join capsaicin [0] (i=selenius@c-75-73-49-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 19.16.32 # Hello 19.17.28 # Why can't I see any files on my iPod after installing Rockbox? 19.17.41 # amiconn: A nice side effect of the lang cleanup and target specific vice files will be that a lot less useless voiceclips are included which should make enough room for improving the voice user interface by addition of more clips among other things (FS#6159) 19.18.04 # webguest52: because you didn't read about the database in the manual. 19.18.57 Join Paprica [0] (n=Paprica@rockbox/developer/paprica) 19.19.06 # someone with h300? 19.19.18 # Paprica: yes 19.19.32 # can you check new plugin for me? 19.19.40 # if is it working? 19.19.41 # sure 19.19.58 # ok.. you need a clean build 19.20.23 # markun: fun had 19.20.23 # does anyone of you knew if pill is on at the moment? 19.20.44 # he says nothing in the query 19.20.52 # then he probably isn't 19.20.54 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 19.21.17 # n1s? 19.21.41 # yes, i accepted the transfer but it doesn't seem to work... 19.21.51 # ok wait 19.22.28 Join Redbreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-144-107-44.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 19.24.22 Join bhundven [0] (n=bryan@unaffiliated/bhundven) 19.24.41 # Paprica: it's not working, do you have some place to put it or could you submit it to the tracker? 19.24.55 # wait honey ;] 19.24.59 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@91.84.8.218) 19.25.50 # Now it says "database not ready". How long will it take? I just got one song transferred... 19.25.58 # good morning... I have hosed my ipod by accidentally flashing the rockbox.ipod file as the firmware rather then the boot loader. It doesn't show up as a device in lsusb, and the ipod restore doesn't work on my pc running windows. any one ever fix this before, or should I turn my ipod into a paper weight? 19.25.59 # http://download.yousendit.com/5ABC69742D39C88F 19.26.07 # n1s, http://download.yousendit.com/5ABC69742D39C88F 19.26.26 # ping pill 19.27.40 # Paprica: got it, testing now, anything special to look for? 19.28.00 # i need to know if its working first... :) 19.28.41 # its a test version now so the cards are always the same 19.28.56 # bhundven: what do you mean by flashing? 19.29.05 # you can't flash -> brick an ipod 19.29.15 # yeah, I saw that :-) and it's quite difficult to see if a card is selected... 19.29.35 # and good evening :) 19.29.37 # mm ok.. how it looks? 19.29.48 Join GreyFoux [0] (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-119-230.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.30.34 # using the ipodpatcher, I patched the rockbox.ipod rather then the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod. Now my ipod doesn't show up as a usb device, and all I get on the screen is the apple logo. It's a 5th G video. 19.30.51 # Paprica: look ok :) 19.31.10 # bhundven: you should RESET your ipod by holding down MENU and then almost instantly SELECT. When apple logo appears on the screen, immediately hold down SELECT and PLAY 19.31.20 # ok thank you.. try to play eith the options 19.31.22 # then it will get ipod to the firmware bootloader mode 19.31.23 # with* 19.31.32 Quit barrywardell () 19.31.48 # and try to make a set... 19.32.12 # bhundven: you can't brick an ipod with the ipodpatcher 19.32.24 Join inversions [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust660.belf.cable.ntl.com) 19.32.50 # just follow that reset sequence and then try again / restore the original fw or the backup image provided by the ipodpatcher 19.33.21 Nick GreyFoux is now known as nGs|GreyFox`afk (n=greyfoux@APoitiers-256-1-119-230.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.33.57 # Paprica: the animation looks strange with a backdrop there's a dark blue line going from the pile of cards to the lower edge of the screen 19.34.17 Part capsaicin 19.34.46 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 19.34.48 # ohh i forgot to disable the backdrop 19.35.06 # Slasheri: hmm. Yea. i've tried the select menu, then select play, and the select menu does reset, but nothing happens when I do the select play. it still doesn't show up as a usb device, and doesn't get past the apple logo screen. 19.35.41 # bhundven: yous hould press select+play before thea pple logo shows up 19.36.07 # ah 19.36.08 # rock on 19.36.20 # that worked 19.36.24 # thank you very much! 19.36.33 # bhundven: great :) 19.37.05 # I thought I was doomed! 19.37.10 # lol 19.37.52 Quit bhundven ("Leaving") 19.38.12 # Paprica: it crashed when i put cards back in empty slots 19.38.22 # is the mpeg viewer any good for X5? 19.38.35 # fuck =\ 19.39.27 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.40.41 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 19.41.10 # also a minor thing, the menu is kind of strange as the selector disapears when you move down from "start game" :-) 19.42.27 Nick Everybody|food is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 19.43.52 # Paprica: Reproduced the crash it only happends when i put a card back in the empty slot in the left corner, not in the others 19.44.45 # mmm ok thanks 19.45.00 # webguest52: did you restart after initializing the database? 19.45.41 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.46.59 # petur: a user reported a bug with the properties thing and couldn't get on flyspray so I posted it htere http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6577 19.48.07 # n1s, left corner? sure? 19.48.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6592 updated polski.lang 19.48.35 # the first col? 19.48.38 # can some1 help me with the mpeg viewer? 19.48.42 # yes if I remove the whole pile in the left corner and put one card back - freeze 19.48.57 # ok.. thanks 19.49.03 # doesn't happen with the othe rpiles 19.50.12 # search doesn't work 19.50.13 # ;\ 19.50.14 Join mattzz [0] (n=mattzz@e177162234.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.50.28 # Kitt0s, what do you need help with? 19.50.30 Join kaaloo [0] (n=luis@rue92-3-82-232-48-241.fbx.proxad.net) 19.50.45 # Kitt0s: the mpegplayer is very experimental still 19.50.57 # Kitt0s, look at this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 19.50.59 # will it work for a converted file from .avi? 19.51.06 # n1s, when you take more than one card.. it happans too? 19.51.27 # Kitt0s, sure. as long as it is MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 19.51.34 # hmm 19.51.38 Quit Nibbier (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.51.55 # will not work for MPEG Layer 3 i assume 19.52.11 # but that link i pasted should answer most of your questions 19.52.38 Part kaaloo 19.52.56 # Paprica: yes 19.53.08 # =\ 19.53.14 # thanks 19.53.24 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-074-022-146.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.53.54 Quit Mouser_X (Nick collision from services.) 19.54.03 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 19.55.52 Join dune2 [0] (n=dune2@dune.net2.nerim.net) 19.56.57 # this is'nt a rockbox specific question but i'm having trouble checking out an old version of the svn trunk via the instructions http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN. Using the command "svn svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk co -D 2007-01-23 rockbox", but I get the error "svn: invalid option character: D"... I guess cvs and svn options are different svn version1.3.2 svn help and man svn are no help...Does anyone know the 19.56.57 # correct option for this? 19.58.00 # svn help co 19.58.21 # thanks! 19.58.42 # foolsh: i think -r "{date}" works 19.58.59 # there is a nice book linked on the rockbox svn wiki page. It's for free and it's good. 19.59.20 # Mikachu: thankyou too :) 19.59.34 # mattzz:i'll check that out 20.01.22 # n1s: thanks for the report, I'll look at it later if I find some time :/ 20.03.37 # petur: well, since it's gone unnoticed for so long I doubt anyone would even notice if we just close the task and "silence" the reporter ;-) 20.04.19 # what is the policy on submitting wpses, should they go in the tracker or the gallery? 20.04.37 # you do have to click a lot of buttons to go to properties from that viewer 20.04.39 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS tells people to put them in the tracker 20.04.41 # holy shit :\\\\\\ 20.04.44 # something is FUCKED! :\ 20.04.47 # i can't hear 20.05.01 # rockbox + original X5L firmware don't make a sound 20.05.05 # but only on Radio mode 20.05.11 # i can only hear radio 20.05.38 Quit tucoz (Nick collision from services.) 20.05.50 # some1 help 20.05.50 Join Llorea1 [0] (n=Llorean@cpe-66-69-210-194.austin.res.rr.com) 20.05.51 # :\ 20.06.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.07.27 # mattzz: thanks very helpful info you gave me i'm all good now \o/ 20.07.41 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.08.07 # foolsh: no prob :-) 20.09.15 # :\ 20.09.16 # some1 help 20.10.09 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 20.10.38 Nick Viele-baeren is now known as Sehr (n=kvirc@wikipedia/Viele-baeren) 20.11.08 Nick Sehr is now known as Viele-baeren (n=kvirc@wikipedia/Viele-baeren) 20.13.21 Join GodEater [0] (i=bryan@host-84-9-128-154.bulldogdsl.com) 20.15.08 # perhaps the wiki should be updated to read "svn checkout svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk -r {YYYY-MM-DD} rockbox" 20.15.33 # foolsh: go ahead, that's a wiki 20.16.02 Join tucoz_ [0] (n=martin@234.80-202-98.nextgentel.com) 20.16.47 Quit Viele-baeren ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' Und tschss bis dann!") 20.17.14 # foolsh, do you have a wiki account? 20.17.21 Nick tucoz_ is now known as tucoz (n=martin@234.80-202-98.nextgentel.com) 20.18.28 Quit toffe ("MegaIRC v3.27 http://ironfist.at.tut.by") 20.22.15 # tucoz_: I do now 20.23.05 # ok, what is your wikiname so i can give you write access 20.23.20 # BenjaminBrown 20.23.50 Join toffe [0] (n=toffe@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 20.24.10 # there. you can try to edit a topic now 20.24.17 # ok thanks 20.25.50 Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.30.42 Quit BigBambi ("Leaving") 20.36.26 Join linuxstb [0] (i=5343d4aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3a8882ec983fdc19) 20.37.32 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.39.50 # linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5356 looks nice (havent tried it though) 20.40.33 # i checked that it still applies 20.40.52 # sokoban.c | 378 +++++++++++++++++++------------------------------------------- 20.40.55 # 1 file changed, 116 insertions(+), 262 deletions(-) 20.41.31 Quit webguest52 ("CGI:IRC") 20.41.43 # or someone else 20.43.27 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196) 20.43.53 # amiconn: maybe this is helpful to the usb problem http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5482 20.43.59 # amiconn: if you hadn't seen it already 20.44.26 # * linuxstb spots someone trying to close tasks 20.45.58 # i accidentally closed two wps tasks before i noticed the wpssubmit wiki page suggests posting wpss to the tracker 20.46.03 # * mattzz cheers 20.46.48 # Were those WPSs ones which are theoretically committable to CVS? 20.47.10 # they had the header thingy, so i'll go back and re-open them 20.47.15 # but they are from 2005 20.47.25 # and i think both were only for a specific target 20.48.20 Quit lukaswayne9 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.48.52 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 20.49.13 # i reopened them 20.49.17 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 20.49.30 # linuxstb: does my rampage send an email to you guys every time i do something? 20.49.45 # Yes, but I'm not at my main PC at the moment, so can't see my mail. 20.50.10 # There's an historically named rockbox-sf mailing list. 20.50.55 # ah 20.52.55 # in that case i hope someone speaks up if i do something wrong, and hopefully i do more right than wrong 20.53.56 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.54.34 Join upsioned [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 20.54.34 Quit subson (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.55.06 Join My_Sic [0] (n=MySic@m204.net81-65-15.noos.fr) 20.55.29 Quit ender` (" Sex is dirty - if you do it right. -- Isaac Asimov") 20.55.44 Join Wiwie [0] (n=goddi@trir-590fa6c9.pool.einsundeins.de) 20.56.50 Join decayedcell [0] (i=792ccb40@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1ced135b14868226) 20.56.51 Quit decayedcell (Client Quit) 20.58.29 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 20.59.23 # linuxstb, you run debian right? I wonder what to download to install a suitable rockbox dev environment. That is, what iso i should download. 21.00.52 # is it the "testing" version i should choose? 21.01.12 # tucoz: testing is ok. stable is pretty much outdated 21.01.24 # mattzz, ok. thanks. 21.01.27 # is stable still woody ? 21.01.37 # woody=stable 21.01.52 # tucoz: I run "unstable" without problems. 21.02.04 # is that something else than testing? 21.02.17 # Yes, there's "stable", "testing"and "unstable". 21.02.21 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@m145.net195-132-203.noos.fr) 21.02.24 # wrong! stable=sarge! 21.02.24 # (with silly nicknames I don't understand...) 21.02.30 Join decayedcell [0] (i=792ccb40@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-95eae5e96300d93a) 21.02.34 # http://www.debian.de/releases/stable/ 21.03.38 # "stable" Debian seems about as up-to-date as the 2.5 Rockbox release... 21.04.02 # I don't even think it's THAT up to date 21.04.03 # linuxstb barry's unmodified bootloader also caused the 4G ipod to hard reset 21.04.12 # I think that debian has not been ported to any mp3 players yet ;-) 21.04.35 # I run it on my xbox though... 21.04.41 # Well, Xebian... 21.04.44 # * mattzz looks at his PC that is currently playing mp3s.... 21.05.01 # * Mikachu is currently playing ogg vorbis 21.05.14 # * linuxstb is currently watching TV on a TV 21.05.27 # linuxstb: you are such a geek! 21.05.34 # do i download the minimal netinst cd, and choose unstable in the installer? 21.05.38 # what will they think of next, butter on toast? 21.05.58 # tucoz: if you're on windows you can use http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ 21.06.10 # i am on linux at the moment 21.06.16 # :) 21.06.24 # linuxstb: I was only kidding 21.06.28 # i want to build vm with virtualbox 21.07.00 # and i can not find an unstable cd image 21.07.08 # only the release and testing 21.08.09 Quit nGs|GreyFox`afk ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") 21.08.38 # i'll just use the testing one 21.10.49 # hmm thats odd... ipodpatcher doesn't warn if bootpartition.bin exists before reading the partition 21.11.00 # and if it does exist it doesn't overwrite the old file 21.12.00 # What do you mean it doesn't overwrite it? 21.12.09 Quit shnee (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.12.19 Join funky [0] (n=repulse@unaffiliated/funky) 21.12.48 # say you have a 95MB bootpartition.bin in the ipodpatcher directory 21.13.26 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@p57A974F0.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.13.47 # Ah yes, no O_TRUNC... 21.14.06 # * n1s gets adeja vu feeling :_) 21.14.18 # insert space where apropriate 21.14.27 # and a coorect smiley :-P 21.14.53 # correct, appropriate 21.14.56 # * Mikachu hides 21.15.00 # Can someone fix? I don't have a clean checkout of ipodpatcher handy... Just search for O_CREAT in ipodpatcher.c and add |O_TRUNC after it. 21.16.02 # Don't worry, I've found one... 21.17.54 Join newnick [0] (i=3ba7bfc7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e5511f5d04eec2ec) 21.17.59 Quit decayedcell ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.18.06 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 21.18.19 # linuxstb: say you read the bootpartition.bin 21.18.37 # newnick: Check the IRC logs, I've just committed a fix. 21.19.05 # then you get another ipod, and read it to bootpartition.bin as well, ipodpatcher won't overwrite the old one with the newly read bootpartition.bin is what i'm seeing 21.19.26 # bah i'm newnick now 21.19.38 # Don't take "/nick newnick" literally... 21.20.04 # lol 21.20.06 # haha 21.20.38 # newnick: yeah - linuxstb worked it out and is busy writing a fix ;) 21.20.41 # * Mikachu tries to make yet another ipod only text entry method 21.21.18 # Mikachu: To replace some of the tasks you've just closed? 21.21.33 # heh 21.21.55 # i'm hoping to get you to commit my mandelbrot patch some day too 21.22.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B96241.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.23.13 # is there something like HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL or something I can find about having a scrollwheel at compile time? 21.23.36 # who have ipod video? 21.23.38 # IPOD_4G_PAD will do. 21.23.49 # Unless it will also work on the 3G. 21.24.00 # linuxstb: it's for Sansa as well 21.24.03 # IPOD_4G_PAD is defined for the 4G and later ipods (including Mini) 21.24.11 # linuxstb, you have ipod video right? 21.24.21 # Right... 21.24.31 # can you check a plugin for me? 21.24.43 # Sure. 21.24.51 # thanks.. sec.. 21.25.41 # mattzz: Why is your code reliant on a scrollwheel? 21.26.37 # no rule to target 'rockboxlogo.h', needed by 'bookmark.o' Stop what does that mean 21.27.18 # Try a "make clean" 21.27.27 # linuxstb: I just want to assign the scrollwheel some up/down function if it is present, additionally to the up/down keys. 21.27.57 # linuxstb, accept.. 21.28.09 Join BiptoN [0] (n=BiptoN@dsl092-050-020.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 21.28.36 # Paprica: I'm using the web client. 21.28.37 # linuxstb: I will go for #ifdef (CONFIG_KEYPAD == SANSA_E200_PAD)||(... 21.28.41 # oh ok 21.28.42 # wait 21.28.57 # Paprica; Wait for linuxstb_ to join... 21.29.05 # oh ok 21.29.11 Quit upsioned () 21.29.46 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.29.55 # Paprica: Try sending now. 21.30.26 # s/#ifdef/#if/ 21.30.40 # linuxstb, http://download.yousendit.com/E8BDC0A05D75CD9C 21.31.02 # Thanks. DCC normally works from here... 21.31.06 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 21.31.11 Quit Juice^ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.31.13 # mattzz: then I think you could use the rockbox/apps/plugins/lib/pluginlib_actions.h for generic keymaps without #ifdef'ing them all 21.31.18 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196) 21.31.20 # i think that the problem is in my client 21.31.24 Join snafoo [0] (n=juju@unaffiliated/snafoo) 21.32.40 # foolsh: interesting - I will check 21.34.47 # linuxstb, how it looks? 21.35.08 # hmmmmmmmmmmmmrrmmmmmm 21.36.03 # amiconn: your noises are worrying me - found some bad code? 21.36.04 # amiconn: did you see that task? 21.36.18 # Paprica: It seems to be working fine. Should it do anything when I play? 21.36.24 # Mikachu: yes 21.36.25 # mattzz: as a reference it's used in the bubbles plugin (button actions) 21.36.41 # try to make a set from ace to king 21.36.52 # * amiconn thinks there are currently many open ends. Too many :( 21.36.53 # nls: I put it on my list, thanks 21.38.42 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) 21.38.46 # howdy 21.41.05 Quit newnick ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.41.19 # Paprica: Yes, it seems to be working. All the cards are Spades though... 21.41.24 Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 21.41.44 # ok.. you have tine to finish the game? 21.41.48 # time* 21.42.56 # Not really. 21.44.44 # haha ok.. thanks anyway 21.44.45 # amiconn: What open ends? 21.44.51 Nick w1ll14m|away is now known as w1ll14m (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) 21.46.01 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.47.20 Join webguest16 [0] (i=3aa99c23@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8ffba4bc634c4fed) 21.48.59 Join justjohnny68 [0] (n=Owner@static-71-248-112-184.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) 21.49.46 Part snafoo 21.58.21 Join Ghoulunat [0] (n=woot@74-139-194-213.dhcp.insightbb.com) 21.58.33 # hey everyone 21.58.34 Quit justjohnny68 ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 22.00.33 Join Nibbier [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-79.dynamic.qsc.de) 22.01.28 Join justjohnny68 [0] (n=Owner@static-71-248-112-184.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) 22.06.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.06.59 Join fasmaie [0] (i=1000@cpe-65-24-91-251.columbus.res.rr.com) 22.08.22 # ahah, it works 22.08.36 # had to massage my mods to the button driver a bit first 22.12.09 Join TrueJournals [0] (n=aimjourn@c-24-12-147-61.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.14.50 Quit webguest16 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.16.31 Join tamacracker [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 22.17.13 Quit subson () 22.17.17 # Hey guys... 22.17.53 # my mp3 player is not being recognized by my machine anymore... and my mp3 player isn't goin into the gray screen when USB is hooked up to it. 22.17.56 Quit Ribs ("eh eh ehhhh!") 22.18.43 # try using another usb port on your computer 22.18.51 # did that. 22.19.03 # tried resetting the player? 22.19.08 # (which one is it?) 22.19.17 # it's my Toshiba F10 22.20.02 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 22.21.12 # * mattzz submitted the memory monitor plugin 22.21.36 # comitted? 22.21.51 # submitted to tracker 22.22.07 # ah, can't get to the tracker now here (?) 22.22.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6586 22.22.42 # looks interesting 22.22.48 # you know what.. im gonna restart my machine 22.22.53 # maybe that might be the problem. 22.22.57 # brb 22.23.01 Quit tamacracker (Remote closed the connection) 22.23.11 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu) 22.23.35 # mattzz: Have you compiled it for a variety of targets, to at least confirm it compiles without warning? 22.23.36 Join efyx [0] (n=efyx@fac34-5-82-239-138-213.fbx.proxad.net) 22.23.40 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 22.23.54 # linuxstb: archos and sansa only 22.24.31 Quit fasmaie (Remote closed the connection) 22.24.51 # linuxstb: I have to add the PLA keypad thing to make it work on other models and probably a ton of other ifdef regarding the display are needed. 22.25.09 # are=is 22.25.28 # OK - your patch comments didn't make that clear. 22.25.41 # * mattzz reads what he just wrote and does not understand a word.... 22.27.15 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@91.64.230.92) 22.28.12 # linuxstb: basically the memory monitor was written to help reverse engineering the pp2024 on the sansa. That's why it is not multi-platform yet. 22.29.17 Quit subson () 22.31.01 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 22.31.12 Join Mouser_X [0] (n=mouser_x@67.110.120.159.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.33.04 Join tamacracker [0] (n=tamacrac@c-67-191-48-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 22.33.17 Join EbErT [0] (n=EbErT@adsl-214-4-245.asm.bellsouth.net) 22.33.22 # ok i fixed the problem 22.33.25 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.33.37 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.33.37 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.33.41 # My next question is, does RockBox for Toshiba F10 support .mpeg files? 22.34.05 # I believe all versions of rockbox support .mpeg files... it's a pretty standard plugin 22.34.08 # Read this - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer 22.34.09 # but I could be wrong.. 22.34.15 # tamacracker: look for PluginMpegplayer in the wiki 22.34.22 # meh, too slow 22.34.38 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 22.34.44 # ok, cuz i just added a .mpeg music video and it's not showing in my folder of my mp3 player 22.35.17 # then I would say no... but you can try changing your view options to view all files and try clicking on it then.. 22.35.24 # There might just not be keymappings 22.35.56 # Do you know what the size of the screen is? 22.36.00 Join God_Eater [0] (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-11.bulldogdsl.com) 22.36.11 # you have to call it .mpg i think 22.36.23 # You do. 22.36.30 # or that :-p 22.36.33 # But the Open With... option will work. 22.36.34 # ok ok i selected to view all 22.36.37 # oh ok 22.36.50 # will that do sound now? 22.36.52 # even though the file was converted to .mpeg? 22.36.54 Join upsioned [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 22.37.06 # i can just change the extension? 22.37.26 # yeah, you can even use the rename function in rockbox I believe... 22.37.30 Quit GodEater (Nick collision from services.) 22.37.34 Nick God_Eater is now known as GodEater (n=bryan@host-83-146-13-11.bulldogdsl.com) 22.37.52 Quit subson (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.37.56 # ahhh hahahahaha 22.37.59 # AWESOME 22.38.08 # ummm... ok... 22.38.09 # worked? 22.38.18 # did the vid have sound? 22.38.18 # oh damn.. 22.38.21 # the sound 22.38.23 # it's on uh.. 22.38.29 # very very fast chipmunk mode. 22.38.33 # lol 22.38.38 # you need to re-encode it 22.38.50 # lol and the video is fast too 22.38.52 Join Doomed [0] (n=doomed@ool-44c126d4.dyn.optonline.net) 22.38.54 # ok how may i go about it? 22.38.57 # Read the wiki page... 22.39.01 # ok 22.39.10 # the sound needs to be 44.1 kHz 22.39.13 Quit |Rincewind| ("Cya") 22.39.21 # oh crap... and it just froze. 22.39.21 # Does anyone know the size of the F10 screen? 22.39.34 # 240x320, isn't it? 22.39.43 # cool, thanks... 22.39.55 # 320x240 - mpegplayer rotates. 22.40.03 # is that a known bug right now? mp3 player freezing during playback of .mpeg videos? 22.40.12 # hey im getting a gigabeat s60, and just wanted to know if there was anything i could do to help get rockbox on it? 22.40.23 # I made a program to re-encode video ( http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=51189 ), and I'll have to add the F10 to it 22.40.37 # Doomed: a lot, since there's no port in progress... 22.40.45 # yeah it did 22.40.55 # oh mt 22.41.04 Quit upsioned (Client Quit) 22.41.08 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.41.13 # True will that program work with linux? 22.41.16 # i have no coding skills what soever though :( 22.41.24 # me either Doomed 22.41.28 # and im not on windows. 22.41.30 # linuxstb: Does mpegplayer also rotate on Sansa? Would make sense... 22.41.45 # temacracker: unfortunately.. no. The language I'm using doesn't have a compiler for linux 22.42.02 Part justjohnny68 22.42.02 # you could probably use WINE though (hard to say, I can't really test it) 22.42.17 # amiconn: Yes, I think so. I suggested it to barrywardell (I think) in the past. 22.42.23 # true WINE might be able to handle the program.. 22.42.38 # on linux you just need a single command to do the same thing ;) 22.43.11 # i do? 22.43.14 # A single command needing a dozen cryptic parameters? ;) 22.43.16 # it says open terminal and such 22.43.18 # To encode video? Well, you just need a single command on windows too... but people like having a little GUI interface... makes everything easier 22.43.21 # but don't i need to locate the file? 22.43.39 # like right click on the folder where the song is in, and click open with terminal 22.43.54 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 22.43.56 # then use the code for that specific file 22.44.22 # TrueJournals: Why don't you add your program to the mpegplayer wiki page? 22.44.41 # by the way: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ 22.44.47 # ^ is down. 22.44.47 # I probably should :-p 22.45.01 # I'll go in there and make a link real quick... 22.45.14 # the only problem is that video and audio seem to be unsynced when using my program 22.45.15 # tamacracker: Works fine for me. 22.45.29 # TrueJournals: Unsynced in a PC video player? 22.45.29 # what worked for you? 22.45.44 # The mplayer website. 22.45.51 Quit funky ("leaving") 22.45.52 # linuxstb: unsynced in everything.. 22.46.00 # mencoder -of mpeg -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=192 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate= -vf scale,harddup -ofps 25 -zoom -xy -o .mpg 22.46.06 # ^ paste that onto the terminal 22.46.18 # is there any form of av sync yet? 22.46.24 # and then fill in the file name and the width? 22.46.28 # Doomed: no 22.46.32 # ok 22.47.11 # >< im such a noob to this 22.47.25 Quit amiconn (" reboot, brb") 22.47.27 # We all have to start somewhere :-p 22.47.43 # am i supposed to fill in the <...> ? 22.47.52 # and if so, what's input stand for? 22.47.52 # bah, I can't edit the PluginMpegplayer page... 22.47.58 # yes 22.48.39 # im assuming i just need to slow down the sound/video 22.48.46 # and... = the file you want to encode, = something like 400 or 600, = width of your player's screen... so 320, = output filename 22.49.04 Quit subson () 22.49.38 # so, an example would be: mencoder myvideo.mpeg -of mpeg -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=192 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=400 -vf scale,harddup -ofps 25 -zoom -xy 320 -o outputmyvideo.mpg 22.49.41 # so it would be <400> <320> 22.50.12 # not quite 22.50.16 # get rid of < and > 22.50.21 # oh of course 22.50.32 # < > is just to let you know where you need to fill in 22.50.34 # it might be a good idea to also use a different output filename 22.50.37 # exactly 22.50.56 # so make it from .mpeg to .mpg ? 22.51.04 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 22.51.05 # that would be a good idea 22.51.08 # ok 22.51.21 # thank you true, im gonna attempt it right now 22.51.23 # the first hting i need to do 22.51.26 Join capsaicin [0] (i=selenius@c-75-73-49-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 22.51.27 # is go to the directory 22.51.30 # of that file 22.51.31 Join lowlight [0] (i=c730190a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2d8fa8fbaa943ca7) 22.51.33 # no problem... glad I could help 22.51.44 # yes 22.52.11 Join twist [0] (n=Twist@88-108-131-79.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.52.18 # hey 22.52.20 # PROBLEM! 22.52.22 # hey 22.52.28 # lol 22.52.52 # No one ever pops in just to say "hi" :-p 22.53.06 # Uhm, i left my rockbox ipod 5th, to charge with the hold switch on now its crashed at loading the firmware :/ 22.53.19 # sorry 22.53.32 # bit hyped 22.53.36 # have you tried resetting it? 22.53.39 # haha i come in sometimes just saying hello 22.54.01 # im brand new at this 22.54.05 # how do i rest it? 22.54.12 Quit subson (Client Quit) 22.54.14 # reset* 22.54.18 Join andrewg [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0122w-142162053106.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 22.54.24 # hold menu and select (center button) for about 30 sec 22.54.38 # i believe hold should be off 22.54.39 # Sweet! 22.54.43 # anyone know what's needed for the Sansa emulator? I can't get it to run. 22.54.47 # nice one :) 22.55.04 # ill idle here if that ok with you guys? 22.55.59 # about 100 other people do the same 22.56.02 Quit OgMaciel ("Ex-Chat") 22.56.05 # can't say one more would bother us much 22.56.21 # irc ppl are big idlers 22.56.39 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 22.56.40 # pluginlib_actions.h is nice! 22.57.57 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD4EE6.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.58.44 # hey, here's an interesting view on a PP chip 22.58.49 # http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0908/nano21.jpg 22.58.58 # in a nano, compare with this c200 22.59.08 # 1g or 2g? 22.59.09 # http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sandisk-sansa-c200/sansa-c200-disassembley-9-thumb.jpg 22.59.22 # nano 1g, the 2g isn't PP 22.59.29 # ah right 22.59.38 # well i cant really do anything until i get my s60, but what would be the first place to start, ive seen the gigabeat s page in the wiki 22.59.54 # Doomed: check the NewPort wiki page 22.59.58 # wooooooooooot 22.59.58 # ok 23.00.02 # yessss 23.00.04 # I've got a question regarding the Gigabeat F build 23.00.06 # i got video play back 23.00.13 # great job guys 23.00.17 # lol 23.00.23 Quit andrewg_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.00.35 Quit GodEater ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 23.00.40 Quit subson (Client Quit) 23.02.57 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 23.03.20 # Ghoulunat just ask away 23.05.16 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.05.26 Join sdfoe [0] (n=deejay@modemcable013.110-81-70.mc.videotron.ca) 23.06.20 # grrr, forum search is borked again 23.06.50 # Bagder: the MSI P610 on your mi4 page has a similarly named "pp7002_5022_color" BL as the c200 23.07.06 # dj-fu help me install rockbox mate? 23.07.13 Quit Juice^ ("- nbs-irc 2.0 - www.nbs-irc.net -") 23.07.21 # lowlight: aha! 23.09.56 # on too? 23.10.30 # sec rom hmm 23.10.51 # Bagder: forum search fixed 23.11.14 # too late, I found it the manual way! ;-) 23.11.35 Quit Tman (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.11.35 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 23.12.06 Part capsaicin 23.12.11 Join gilligan_ [0] (n=gilligan@p549ABE2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.12.17 # hi 23.12.28 # hi 23.12.50 # just found out about rockbox.. nice project 23.12.56 Join entheh [0] (n=purr@88-106-188-101.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 23.12.56 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 23.12.56 NJoin Tman [0] (i=tyler@adsl-69-153-1-245.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) 23.13.35 # Stupid patches not working together... it seems that the scrolling margin patch alone works, and the kernel_on_cop_7 patch alone works... but together... no 23.13.43 # to get right to the point - i am a bit confused about the status of support for the archos gmini players -- while it doesn't seem to be listed on the website the sources /do/ list the gmini as a possible target 23.13.48 # so what's the status on that? 23.14.24 # it was once worked on 23.14.29 # and is since long abandoned 23.14.38 # and it was only for a few gmini models 23.15.05 Quit subson () 23.15.36 Join kiax|wrk [0] (n=kiax@164.58.255.190) 23.16.33 # ah.. just found a page on this (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPort) 23.16.37 # well that's really too bad 23.16.57 # a really hard port it is too 23.17.04 # it is a total beast 23.17.28 # but perhaps you have a newer gmini? 23.17.43 # if so a port would be easier and could be based on ArchOpen findings 23.17.54 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 23.18.55 # i have a gmini XS 202 23.18.56 # it looks like somebody has already started this gigabeat s port because they found out how its partitioned 23.19.19 # archopen? 23.19.19 # if that's called "starting a port", then sure 23.19.41 # gilligan_: ask mr google 23.19.50 Join andrewg_ [0] (n=andrew@stjhnf0122w-142163146161.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) 23.20.15 # haha 23.20.50 # I don't think archopen supports the XS202 either though. 23.21.01 # archopen's site is confusing... 23.21.12 # Indeed... 23.21.30 # The only list of targets I've found is the "configure" command. 23.22.01 # AV3XX, GMINI4XX, AV1XX, JBMM, GMINI402, AV4XX and PMA. 23.22.36 # I found a list on their daily build page 23.22.39 Quit kiax|wrk () 23.22.43 # * amiconn thinks the xs202 is calmrisc based 23.22.54 # ... that contains that same list 23.23.00 # it is 23.23.20 # Plus the AV5XX added today... 23.23.24 # we attempted to support it with gmemu 23.23.31 Part Llorea1 23.23.33 # but the project has stopped by lack of developers 23.24.06 # So the whole gmini 1xx/2xx/sp family is calmrisc based? 23.24.11 # yes 23.24.33 # Okay, that's what I expected from the numbers 23.24.37 Join safetydan [0] (i=cbca159f@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.24.44 # http://www.donat.org/archos/ 23.25.01 # most information is here : http://www.donat.org/archos/wiki/doku.php 23.25.07 Part perl|work 23.25.15 # think i'll just stick to the original OS for a little longer hehe 23.25.45 Part lowlight 23.26.04 # the GminiPort section on the rockbox wiki is our attempt to port rockbox though it hasn't been continued :/ 23.26.45 # * LinusN commits a bugfix in fat.c 23.26.58 # late night fixin' 23.27.10 # let's hope i didn't introduce any new ones :-) 23.27.55 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara") 23.28.03 Quit Vyrus001 ("Leaving") 23.28.31 # for some reason, over the past week or two, i've been having weird issues with my ipod freezing if it runs for a while. it's not completely frozen because if i move the scroll-wheel, the backlight turns on, but it stopped updating the wps, and i can't skip, change volume, or anything. the funny thing is, this started a couple weeks after the last time i updated the software... (ie, it's not tied to an update) 23.30.04 Quit sdfoe () 23.30.30 # Have you tried scanning the filesystem for errors? 23.30.42 Quit andrewg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.31.45 # LinusN: Hmm, always loading 2 sectors? Sounds like a waste on slow media with fast seek... 23.32.32 # really? 23.32.39 # yes 23.32.55 Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.32.56 # the sound is right, but the video is slow. 23.32.58 # i mean 23.33.00 # *very* few directories consist of one sector only 23.33.06 # the video is faster than the song. 23.33.07 # Provided that not all longnames span more than one sector 23.33.10 # linuxstb: not yet... will do 23.33.49 # tamacracker: Enable the "limit fps" option. 23.34.06 # linuxstb: it always fails in the middle of different songs... which seems odd... but i will check the fs... and i'll probably update to a more recent version of rockbox too... it's possible this is fixed now... 23.34.10 # ok gonna check that 23.34.40 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@dhcp-892b7a6e.ucd.ie) 23.36.37 Quit subson () 23.37.03 # uh where is that option at? 23.37.15 Quit toffe (Connection timed out) 23.37.22 # In the mpegplayer menu. 23.37.38 # LinusN: I'm mainly worried about Ondio here. Read speed isn't exactly high, but otoh there are no seek delays 23.38.39 # now that's perfect :P 23.38.40 # amiconn: well, there is a theoretical risk that you will read one sector too many for the entire dir 23.38.42 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 23.39.23 # * amiconn thinks this risk is very practical 23.39.52 # statistically, yes 23.40.05 # would anything horrible happen if you read an extra sector? 23.40.15 # It takes time 23.40.18 # TrueJournals: no, just a waste of time 23.40.22 # I see 23.40.36 # For file operations involving many dir entries it may slow things down 23.40.58 Join Vyrus001 [0] (n=Vyrus001@adsl-69-231-43-211.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 23.41.01 # ...e.g. disktidy 23.43.31 # the previous 3-sector cache was buggy and complicated 23.43.59 # and it made tons of 512-byte memcpy() operations 23.44.11 # hmm 23.44.35 Quit subson () 23.45.00 # Now there are 4 sectors cached, correct? 23.45.06 # yes 23.45.46 # It doesn't look like the caching must use sector pairs 23.46.10 Join subson [0] (n=ju@82.67.68.29) 23.46.17 # no, it *must* not do that 23.46.24 # except on the 5.5G 23.46.33 # Yes, of course 23.46.59 # so i *could* have kept the 3-sector cache and use the 4-sector version on the ipod only 23.47.13 # but that would have made the code even more complicated 23.47.30 # Well, it looks like the 4-sector version could be switched to 4 single sectors just via #defines 23.47.50 # not really 23.48.09 # the current logic depends on two alternating buffers 23.48.48 # instead of 3 23.51.06 # Hmm, but that's only because you use index and 1-index afaics 23.51.13 Join capsaicin [0] (i=selenius@c-75-73-49-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 23.51.20 # amiconn: mostly, yes 23.52.04 # Changing this into index and (index-1)&3 should make it work with 4 buffers 23.52.40 # Similarly, index and (index-1)&1 does the same for 2 buffers 23.52.43 # yes, but you also need to change the logic when selecting which buffer to use for the longname entry lookup 23.53.10 # That's what I was looking at... 23.54.24 # btw, why would we want 4 buffers? 23.54.59 Quit safetydan ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.55.09 # Well, 4 single-sector buffers would be easier to handle than 3, and it would fit nicely with the 2 double-sector buffers necessary on the G5.5 23.55.24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.55.27 Join Redbreva_ [0] (n=chatzill@host86-144-107-44.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) 23.55.46 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=hihi@p57B96241.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.57.00 Part Redbreva_ 23.57.02 # my first version did use 4 buffers, but i wasn't comfortable with the code filling 2 buffers at once 23.57.09 Quit barrywardell () 23.57.36 # I mean something different 23.58.12 # i think i see what you mean 23.58.16 # The code could be made to work on N buffers of M*sector size, where both M and N are powers of 2 23.58.24 # i understand 23.58.27 # ...and M*N>=4 23.58.41 # that could be done 23.58.43 # ie M and N aren't 0 23.58.49 # For G5.5 (and probably all hdd targets), we would choose M=2 and N=2 23.59.04 # i mean the power of 2 23.59.04 # And for flash targets we could choose M=1 and N=4